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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 /08 - 2/15/08
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 02:41:55 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 03:47:42 PM
Hmmmmmm  Debra really reminds me of an old poster  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: WHOS SN started with an "F" and the name of a state.. do I win a prize or what?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 03:49:41 PM
I know but won't tell  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 03:50:42 PM
Hi ya, Angie.  Email me.  Don't let me lose you!

Feel better.  I know you're busy.  Stay focused. Stay in touch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 03:51:06 PM
I know but won't tell  ::MonkeyCool::


  LMAO   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 03:53:10 PM
Hi ya, Angie.  Email me.  Don't let me lose you!

Feel better.  I know you're busy.  Stay focused. Stay in touch.



 Peaches hon.. I'll email yah.. after tonight I'll be offline. I have your numbers too hon !
I really dont feel liek movig tomorrow but gotta.. this is the first I been out of bed in days.
Maybe I need a trip to     "FLORIDA"    ahem ahem ahem Debra  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 03:53:42 PM
Angie, i hope you feel better soon


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 03:54:06 PM
I know but won't tell  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  I decided to give up on the old thread and jump over here.... Klaas thanks for the giggle right off the bat!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 03:56:42 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 03:57:56 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::

And you usually don't start with the potty mouth until later at nite! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
Angie, i hope you feel better soon


  TY hon. and BTW.. I LOVE your screename !!  I have a tee shirt with that on !!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 03:59:31 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 04:00:10 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::

And you usually don't start with the potty mouth until later at nite! ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL  Trying to behave..  <yeah right>...  got alot to do yet this evening.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 04:00:28 PM
ROB...  Destiny calling....just now 3:44 my time...called the Aruban Beach Patrol...talked with *******...asked re Lorenzo's Lawyers' name...he don't know...I started talking about Lorenzo and Joran...asked him if they are half brother...he was hesitant...silent...then said no...they don't even ever hang out with each other...I asked him how he knew this...he said he knows both Lorenzo and Joran very well...then I asked if Lorenzo was being questioned regarding the Natalee H. case...he replied...he said he didn't know...then said not yet....then he was very uncomfortable...we ended convo...but not before I asked if I could call again sometime...he said ok...Rob, if you want name and number I email to you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:00:31 PM
Hmmmmmm  Debra really reminds me of an old poster  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: WHOS SN started with an "F" and the name of a state.. do I win a prize or what?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Angie!!  Good to see you!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 04:00:54 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

Nothing out of Aruba today except that Pittbull's wife has come forward with this.  The SPIN begins  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mfpittbull021408.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 14, 2008, 04:01:01 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::

Naw...Just workin' and lurkin'.  I just had to jump in on that one.  Couldn't believe what was said about Klaas.  Either there was a HUGE misunderstanding (hmph) or somebody had a bug up their arse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Spock on February 14, 2008, 04:01:29 PM
To me, this looks like the man and dog(s) that were in the Aru_bay videos at the rocks. I have done alot of research on the videos and will go back and verify this. Good match from what I recall.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/slootsearch.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AZLady on February 14, 2008, 04:02:46 PM
Hello all.  I'm back from grocery.  Too bad these game-players have to come to distract and annoy.  Here's my answer to that:
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 14, 2008, 04:03:00 PM
ROB...  Destiny calling....just now 3:44 my time...called the Aruban Beach Patrol...talked with *******...asked re Lorenzo's Lawyers' name...he don't know...I started talking about Lorenzo and Joran...asked him if they are half brother...he was hesitant...silent...then said no...they don't even ever hang out with each other...I asked him how he knew this...he said he knows both Lorenzo and Joran very well...then I asked if Lorenzo was being questioned regarding the Natalee H. case...he replied...he said he didn't know...then said not yet....then he was very uncomfortable...we ended convo...but not before I asked if I could call again sometime...he said ok...Rob, if you want name and number I email to you.

You are awesome.  If I ever have to make a 'sticky' phone call could I get you to do it for me??  hehe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 04:03:35 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

 Hi Sunny,
 I missed Danas show as well.  :( 
I did want to say Welcome to alot of the new folks and a big thank you to those Dutch folks who have been translating things for us. Its greatly appreciated. While Im away for.. I dont know how long.. I'll miss you guys and will keep praying for justice for Natalee and also praying for the Persistence and Crew. If anything earth shattering should happen.. Im hoping someone will contact me via phone and let me know.  :(  Its gonna suck with no PC for awhile.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 04:03:38 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 04:05:43 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::

Naw...Just workin' and lurkin'.  I just had to jump in on that one.  Couldn't believe what was said about Klaas.  Either there was a HUGE misunderstanding (hmph) or somebody had a bug up their arse.

 Yes it was rude and my guess is a BUG up someones ARSE.. its kinda like de'javu all over ago from LONG LONG ago. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Pita on February 14, 2008, 04:07:26 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

Nothing out of Aruba today except that Pittbull's wife has come forward with this.  The SPIN begins  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mfpittbull021408.jpg)

I'm wondering if that info came from the 2 crazy psychics.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 04:07:41 PM
Hmmmmmm  Debra really reminds me of an old poster  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: WHOS SN started with an "F" and the name of a state.. do I win a prize or what?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, surely, you jest ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 04:08:25 PM
Hi ya, Angie.  Email me.  Don't let me lose you!

Feel better.  I know you're busy.  Stay focused. Stay in touch.



 Peaches hon.. I'll email yah.. after tonight I'll be offline. I have your numbers too hon !
I really dont feel liek movig tomorrow but gotta.. this is the first I been out of bed in days.
Maybe I need a trip to     "FLORIDA"    ahem ahem ahem Debra  ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi, Angie, take care.  Stay in touch.  Please don't go away!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
Rob:  All I'm saying is if K-9 Security was at the dunes, vds house we didn't have a chance.  Yes, I can identify the photo..I choose not to.  And, Klaasend "as a poster" I don't appreciate your "deliberate" nasty tone. No need for it.

Other than this religious fanatic feeling compelled to "preach" every now and again ... I do not often divert from my sole purpose for posting ... my sole purpose which is to uphold the family of Natalee Holloway in in their quest for answers.  However ... I made the decision to take a risk this one time.

Debra ... IMO your words which I hilighted were unnecessary and came across as very arrogant.  When words are considered prior to posting ... there is less chance that they will offend.

Also ... as with any organization ... there is authority and ... authority need to be respected.  There is an appropriate and an inappropriate manner in which concerns can be expressed/articulated.  Choose wisely.
 
Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Spock on February 14, 2008, 04:08:48 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 
I think so too. I wonder why NO ONE has run a story on the aru-bay videos. Maybe we could get Dana to feature the videos and have Jossy and few other guests discuss what is happening there in early June 2005. Dana are you listening?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 04:14:19 PM
Hi ya, Angie.  Email me.  Don't let me lose you!

Feel better.  I know you're busy.  Stay focused. Stay in touch.



 Peaches hon.. I'll email yah.. after tonight I'll be offline. I have your numbers too hon !
I really dont feel liek movig tomorrow but gotta.. this is the first I been out of bed in days.
Maybe I need a trip to     "FLORIDA"    ahem ahem ahem Debra  ::MonkeyTongue::

Hi, Angie, take care.  Stay in touch.  Please don't go away!!!!


LOL Tyler.. IM moving tomorrow.. Last night for PC here tonight. I WILL get it hooked back up as soon as I can.. just cant get a definite date yet. Not leaving for good.. although some would probably love if I did.  LOL   ::MonkeyTongue::
ROBOTS~ I have emailed with him once since he left.. he was doing fine and was busy. I hope he comes back. I know hes missed. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 04:15:16 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 04:15:28 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 
I think so too. I wonder why NO ONE has run a story on the aru-bay videos. Maybe we could get Dana to feature the videos and have Jossy and few other guests discuss what is happening there in early June 2005. Dana are you listening?

I beleive PdV had a quote to the effect of "they don't know anything" when refering to the US media after he finished his trip to the US. I would say 90% of the coverage in the MSM goes to questions that illicit emotional responses...how did you feel, how do you cope, etc. Very little of what most people see involves intricate case details, or, what I will call the "hidden analysis" of Natalee's murder and cover-up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 04:15:52 PM
two dutchies want to join.

but their account doesn't get confirmed.

johan555
kinkajoe

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1125910/3/50#56736970

they've done a lot of searching for facts about the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 04:16:30 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 
I think so too. I wonder why NO ONE has run a story on the aru-bay videos. Maybe we could get Dana to feature the videos and have Jossy and few other guests discuss what is happening there in early June 2005. Dana are you listening?

I beleive PdV had a quote to the effect of "they don't know anything" when refering to the US media after he finished his trip to the US. I would say 90% of the coverage in the MSM goes to questions that illicit emotional responses...how did you feel, how do you cope, etc. Very little of what most people see involves intricate case details, or, what I will call the "hidden analysis" of Natalee's murder and cover-up.

"I feel your pain, I will lift you up.  Yes, we can, yes, we can!" ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 04:17:29 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 
I think so too. I wonder why NO ONE has run a story on the aru-bay videos. Maybe we could get Dana to feature the videos and have Jossy and few other guests discuss what is happening there in early June 2005. Dana are you listening?

Jossy has been asked about the videos on Dana Pretzer before and he really didn't offer much information.  I don't think Jossy has any idea what the aru-bay videos were about.

I agree though, I'd love to see more attention to them.  Maybe it's something Peter DeVries can look into?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:17:59 PM
Hello all.  I'm back from grocery.  Too bad these game-players have to come to distract and annoy.  Here's my answer to that:
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Hey Az.... I am back too..... and I agree....
klaas is right, nicknames may change, but a leopard cant change it's spots!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:18:10 PM
ROB...  Destiny calling....just now 3:44 my time...called the Aruban Beach Patrol...talked with *******...asked re Lorenzo's Lawyers' name...he don't know...I started talking about Lorenzo and Joran...asked him if they are half brother...he was hesitant...silent...then said no...they don't even ever hang out with each other...I asked him how he knew this...he said he knows both Lorenzo and Joran very well...then I asked if Lorenzo was being questioned regarding the Natalee H. case...he replied...he said he didn't know...then said not yet....then he was very uncomfortable...we ended convo...but not before I asked if I could call again sometime...he said ok...Rob, if you want name and number I email to you.

Go Destiny!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 04:18:24 PM
two dutchies want to join.

but their account doesn't get confirmed.

johan555
kinkajoe

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1125910/3/50#56736970

they've done a lot of searching for facts about the case.

I'll approve them right now.  Tell them to try in a couple of minutes and they should be able to log in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 04:18:30 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

Nothing out of Aruba today except that Pittbull's wife has come forward with this.  The SPIN begins  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mfpittbull021408.jpg)


I wonder if she was under the influence of maryjwanna when she said that ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Pita on February 14, 2008, 04:19:33 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 
I think so too. I wonder why NO ONE has run a story on the aru-bay videos. Maybe we could get Dana to feature the videos and have Jossy and few other guests discuss what is happening there in early June 2005. Dana are you listening?

Could this be the guy in question....

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry "the nose" Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/04/aruba-answer-question-how-do-you-know.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:19:58 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

Nothing out of Aruba today except that Pittbull's wife has come forward with this.  The SPIN begins  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mfpittbull021408.jpg)

Thanks Klaas...ohmygawd....spinning like a top!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:20:33 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 04:21:30 PM
Quote
TY hon. and BTW.. I LOVE your screename !!  I have a tee shirt with that on !! 
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::LOL I have one too! thats where the name comes from!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 04:22:06 PM
ROB...  Destiny calling....just now 3:44 my time...called the Aruban Beach Patrol...talked with *******...asked re Lorenzo's Lawyers' name...he don't know...I started talking about Lorenzo and Joran...asked him if they are half brother...he was hesitant...silent...then said no...they don't even ever hang out with each other...I asked him how he knew this...he said he knows both Lorenzo and Joran very well...then I asked if Lorenzo was being questioned regarding the Natalee H. case...he replied...he said he didn't know...then said not yet....then he was very uncomfortable...we ended convo...but not before I asked if I could call again sometime...he said ok...Rob, if you want name and number I email to you.

You are awesome.  If I ever have to make a 'sticky' phone call could I get you to do it for me??  hehe

You Bet...this Monkey will always *cover* other Monkey backs...LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:22:29 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

 Hi Sunny,
 I missed Danas show as well.  :( 
I did want to say Welcome to alot of the new folks and a big thank you to those Dutch folks who have been translating things for us. Its greatly appreciated. While Im away for.. I dont know how long.. I'll miss you guys and will keep praying for justice for Natalee and also praying for the Persistence and Crew. If anything earth shattering should happen.. Im hoping someone will contact me via phone and let me know.  :(  Its gonna suck with no PC for awhile.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Angie, I hope you are not without a computer too long.....you will be missed!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 04:22:39 PM

I'm wondering if that info came from the 2 crazy psychics.   ::MonkeyConfused::


 :smt119 :smt119 :smt119 EARTH TO THE PITBULL ZYGOTES AND GAMETEPHYTES :smt119 :smt119 :smt119

J O R A N   C O N F E S S E D!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 04:23:44 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

Nothing out of Aruba today except that Pittbull's wife has come forward with this.  The SPIN begins  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mfpittbull021408.jpg)


I wonder if she was under the influence of maryjwanna when she said that ;)

In fear of a Colombian necktie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:23:56 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::

Naw...Just workin' and lurkin'.  I just had to jump in on that one.  Couldn't believe what was said about Klaas.  Either there was a HUGE misunderstanding (hmph) or somebody had a bug up their arse.

 Yes it was rude and my guess is a BUG up someones ARSE.. its kinda like de'javu all over ago from LONG LONG ago. lol

Dang I had to go back and find out what y'all were talking about....I never liked Florida anyway...too many BUGS ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 04:25:53 PM
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TY hon. and BTW.. I LOVE your screename !!  I have a tee shirt with that on !! 
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::LOL I have one too! thats where the name comes from!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 04:26:12 PM
And Debra, yes she did, she said she did not think GVC was guilty but she thought he knew enough to break the case wide open. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
Guess I skeeered evryone away    ::MonkeyLaugh::

Naw...Just workin' and lurkin'.  I just had to jump in on that one.  Couldn't believe what was said about Klaas.  Either there was a HUGE misunderstanding (hmph) or somebody had a bug up their arse.

 Yes it was rude and my guess is a BUG up someones ARSE.. its kinda like de'javu all over ago from LONG LONG ago. lol

I didn't catch the 4 pages of previous thread...oh my must have missed something...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 04:27:09 PM
Loll mine is a black one with white and red print


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 04:27:17 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:27:33 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
I wasn't able to listen to Dana last night....but hope to listen to the podcast shortly!!  But I gather from running through last night's post it was a GOOD ONE!!!! 
I gather there is no news from aruba today ::MonkeyNoNo::    as usual they will wait til friday....a-holes that they are!!

Nothing out of Aruba today except that Pittbull's wife has come forward with this.  The SPIN begins  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mfpittbull021408.jpg)

Thanks Klaas...ohmygawd....spinning like a top!! 


Spinning like a top on the back of a dead man to boot! They better hope Pitbull's ghost doesn't gonna come back and kill'em.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
do you all expect news from the OM the in next couple of hours?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:28:56 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Me too.... specially if you remember the "innocent kalpoe brother " comment from yesterday...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:29:53 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)



That is too cute Bladerunner , and dare I say he might do a better job than the judges have in the past.. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:32:47 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Me too.... specially if you remember the "innocent kalpoe brother " comment from yesterday...

hi Cubbee...hope you are feeling better....did C's team win??  Yes, innocent and kalpoe in the same sentence is enough to make one choke!!  And antenae go up!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on February 14, 2008, 04:33:07 PM
do you all expect news from the OM the in next couple of hours?


 Not holding my breath.
IMO.. and I missed the poll here.. but anyhow.. IMO  JVDS wont be arrested either.  :( :( 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 04:33:41 PM
For anyone interested in a quick review of the latest news by dates in English, here it is.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/searchresult.php?cx=008221010404510662473%3Avzie3leg34o&cof=FORID%3A11&q=Sloot#1152


This most recent one cracks me up.....
Joran is a formal murder suspect and they can't seem to figure out if they should allow his arrest or not  ::MonkeyLaugh::
In the article below dated FEB 4 it says ...answer by end of the week...here it is 10 days later and still no answer.

Van der Sloot is formal murder suspect
Monday 04 February 2008

Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teenager who was recorded by a hidden camera confessing that American teenager Natalee Holloway died while with him on a beach in Aruba, is now a formal suspect in her murder according to the Aruban public prosecution office, reported ANP news service on Monday evening.

Natalee Holloway disappeared on the last night of her holiday on the island of Aruba in May 2005.

In the secret recording which was screened on Dutch tv on Sunday night, Van der Sloot said that he had telephoned a friend who had disposed of her body in the ocean.

Speaking on the Nova tv show on Monday evening, Van der Sloot’s lawyer Bert de Rooij said his client is prepared to report to the police and to make a statement to the prosecution department in Aruba.

Earlier on Monday the examining judge on Aruba said he would not issue a warrant for the arrest of Van der Sloot who has been arrested twice in connection with the case in the past. An appeal against this decision has been made and a ruling expected later this week, said ANP.

The Dutch media also reported on Monday evening that police have searched two addresses in Arnhem where Van der Sloot has been living. One is believed to be the home of his grandmother. The searches were on the request of the Aruban prosecution department.

Joran van der Sloot's confession, watched by almost half the Dutch population, was shown on a tv programme on Sunday night presented by crime reporter Peter R de Vries. The show, or fragments from it, has also been broadcast in the US.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/van_der_sloot_declared_formal.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Me too.... specially if you remember the "innocent kalpoe brother " comment from yesterday...

hi Cubbee...hope you are feeling better....did C's team win??  Yes, innocent and kalpoe in the same sentence is enough to make one choke!!  And antenae go up!!


Hey Sunny.... feeling a bit better... seems to have gone to my chest now.... we tied....
And yes that actually did make me choke on my diet coke when I read that comment!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:35:06 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)


hahahaha...this one looks smarter than any we have seen!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 04:38:32 PM
do you all expect news from the OM the in next couple of hours?

I don't expect to hear anything until tomorrow.  That said, because we expect it tomorrow it could happen today  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 14, 2008, 04:38:48 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)


hahahaha...this one looks smarter than any we have seen!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


HERE COMES DA JUDGE!  HERE COMES DA JUDGE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 04:38:53 PM
Translated from:
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6348
Geplaatst door CS op Donderdag 14 februari @ 14:00:00 GMT+1
...........Probably already been posted, but here goes anyway.

A docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three times
concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That the antillian
newspaper communicates Amigoe. The teacher had a year after the
disappearance of Holloway in 2006,, a mobile tel. found which proved
be of Jorans brother valentijn.

Valentijn had lost the toestel during quadrace. The vinder a couple
had rung numbers on the gsm and got afterwards father Paul of of the
ditch to the line. Initially it was adopted that the mobieltje of Paul
of of the ditch were.

The mobile tel. is however of valentijn of of the ditch, of the
brothers of Joran, says Anita of of the ditch.

The teacher had been not yet rather interrogated because the police
force was just recently informed concerning the find.   

Zoomz all ins & outs have once more put row on n and are here examine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 04:39:06 PM

Could this be the guy in question....

There were many polis and what appeared to be a coroners van off to the left on the video. Also in the video there was a man with two dogs that she said was a man famous in Holland called Harry "the nose" Jongen. He was called the nose because he used a long stick with a hole drilled through the entire length to poke down into the ground and find bodies of victims by smell, and had success in Bosnia during the Balkan war, he discovered many victims and some mass graves. There was skepticism of everything I was seeing and had never heard of the man called Harry the nose before and Jacy thought everyone knew about him and his track record.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/04/aruba-answer-question-how-do-you-know.html

HI Pita, I wrote that for Frank.

not likely in order.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Jacy5.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Birminghammer9.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JustMe4.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Birminghammer3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Rob3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Birminghammer6.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JairoandDpak3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 04:40:33 PM
two dutchies want to join.

but their account doesn't get confirmed.

johan555
kinkajoe

http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1125910/3/50#56736970

they've done a lot of searching for facts about the case.

I'll approve them right now.  Tell them to try in a couple of minutes and they should be able to log in.

thanks


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Me too.... specially if you remember the "innocent kalpoe brother " comment from yesterday...

hi Cubbee...hope you are feeling better....did C's team win??  Yes, innocent and kalpoe in the same sentence is enough to make one choke!!  And antenae go up!!


Hey Sunny.... feeling a bit better... seems to have gone to my chest now.... we tied....
And yes that actually did make me choke on my diet coke when I read that comment!

Be careful with it going to your chest..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 04:44:12 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)


About damn time too...finally an honest judge...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 04:45:22 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)


i bet he has some vision


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:46:42 PM
Translated from:
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6348
Geplaatst door CS op Donderdag 14 februari @ 14:00:00 GMT+1
...........Probably already been posted, but here goes anyway.

A docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three times
concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That the antillian
newspaper communicates Amigoe. The teacher had a year after the
disappearance of Holloway in 2006,, a mobile tel. found which proved
be of Jorans brother valentijn.

Valentijn had lost the toestel during quadrace. The vinder a couple
had rung numbers on the gsm and got afterwards father Paul of of the
ditch to the line. Initially it was adopted that the mobieltje of Paul
of of the ditch were.

The mobile tel. is however of valentijn of of the ditch, of the
brothers of Joran, says Anita of of the ditch.

The teacher had been not yet rather interrogated because the police
force was just recently informed concerning the find.   

Zoomz all ins & outs have once more put row on n and are here examine.

thanks Nut....I read a little about this phone...but does anyone think it is connected to Natalee?  Could urine have used it that night?.....is it too late to trace calls made too/from it that night? Sorry if this has been discussed and answered already.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on February 14, 2008, 04:48:04 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Me too.... specially if you remember the "innocent kalpoe brother " comment from yesterday...

hi Cubbee...hope you are feeling better....did C's team win??  Yes, innocent and kalpoe in the same sentence is enough to make one choke!!  And antenae go up!!


Hey Sunny.... feeling a bit better... seems to have gone to my chest now.... we tied....
And yes that actually did make me choke on my diet coke when I read that comment!

Be careful with it going to your chest..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Yes and try Mucinex....It is great for breaking up chest congestion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 04:49:18 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:49:55 PM
Well, I heard voices of a wondrous woman in the post style but then I am probably wrong, because that whole genre had that same finger-pointing, "I'm not nasty, it's you" style.

uuummmmm now that one got me thinking.... ::MonkeyWink::


Me too.... specially if you remember the "innocent kalpoe brother " comment from yesterday...

hi Cubbee...hope you are feeling better....did C's team win??  Yes, innocent and kalpoe in the same sentence is enough to make one choke!!  And antenae go up!!


Hey Sunny.... feeling a bit better... seems to have gone to my chest now.... we tied....
And yes that actually did make me choke on my diet coke when I read that comment!

Be careful with it going to your chest..... ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

Yes and try Mucinex....It is great for breaking up chest congestion.


Thanks Sunny and Kimmy.... got some mucinex today...if that does not help I guess I will have to go sit in the doctors office with a bunch of really sick people and catch who knows what ...... ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 14, 2008, 04:52:50 PM
Translated from:
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6348
Geplaatst door CS op Donderdag 14 februari @ 14:00:00 GMT+1
...........Probably already been posted, but here goes anyway.

A docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three times
concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That the antillian
newspaper communicates Amigoe. The teacher had a year after the
disappearance of Holloway in 2006,, a mobile tel. found which proved
be of Jorans brother valentijn.

Valentijn had lost the toestel during quadrace. The vinder a couple
had rung numbers on the gsm and got afterwards father Paul of of the
ditch to the line. Initially it was adopted that the mobieltje of Paul
of of the ditch were.

The mobile tel. is however of valentijn of of the ditch, of the
brothers of Joran, says Anita of of the ditch.

The teacher had been not yet rather interrogated because the police
force was just recently informed concerning the find.   

Zoomz all ins & outs have once more put row on n and are here examine.

thanks Nut....I read a little about this phone...but does anyone think it is connected to Natalee?  Could urine have used it that night?.....is it too late to trace calls made too/from it that night? Sorry if this has been discussed and answered already.

I don't know....seems doubtful.  The battery must have still been good for them to see the numbers stored on the phone.  Also, it doesn't say if the teacher used that phone to call those numbers, but if he did you would think that the phone had not been missing for very long or the service would have been disconnected.  Unless it was one of those prepaid phones.  Would one of those still have battery life left?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 04:53:57 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

she is smoking crack again ::MonkeyTongue::...uummmm wonder if Peter might be interested in pursuing this....especially since it came for a reputable member of the press ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 04:54:12 PM
Nut ... when did this happen??

I was under the understanding that it was the judge ... not the prosecutor ...  who made the call in regards to suspect status.  A judge determine that the video was not suffient evidence to rearrest and ... a panel of three judges are still out on the appeal from the prosecutor's office.  What is going on!!!

Janet

+++++++++

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/van_der_sloot_declared_formal.php

Van der Sloot is formal murder suspect
Monday 04 February 2008

Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch teenager who was recorded by a hidden camera confessing that American teenager Natalee Holloway died while with him on a beach in Aruba, is now a formal suspect in her murder according to the Aruban public prosecution office, reported ANP news service on Monday evening.  

Natalee Holloway disappeared on the last night of her holiday on the island of Aruba in May 2005.

In the secret recording which was screened on Dutch tv on Sunday night, Van der Sloot said that he had telephoned a friend who had disposed of her body in the ocean.

Speaking on the Nova tv show on Monday evening, Van der Sloot’s lawyer Bert de Rooij said his client is prepared to report to the police and to make a statement to the prosecution department in Aruba.

Earlier on Monday the examining judge on Aruba said he would not issue a warrant for the arrest of Van der Sloot who has been arrested twice in connection with the case in the past. An appeal against this decision has been made and a ruling expected later this week, said ANP.

The Dutch media also reported on Monday evening that police have searched two addresses in Arnhem where Van der Sloot has been living. One is believed to be the home of his grandmother. The searches were on the request of the Aruban prosecution department.

Joran van der Sloot's confession, watched by almost half the Dutch population, was shown on a tv programme on Sunday night presented by crime reporter Peter R de Vries. The show, or fragments from it, has also been broadcast in the US.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 04:54:31 PM
Translated from:
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6348
Geplaatst door CS op Donderdag 14 februari @ 14:00:00 GMT+1
...........Probably already been posted, but here goes anyway.

A docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three times
concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That the antillian
newspaper communicates Amigoe. The teacher had a year after the
disappearance of Holloway in 2006,, a mobile tel. found which proved
be of Jorans brother valentijn.

Valentijn had lost the toestel during quadrace. The vinder a couple
had rung numbers on the gsm and got afterwards father Paul of of the
ditch to the line. Initially it was adopted that the mobieltje of Paul
of of the ditch were.

The mobile tel. is however of valentijn of of the ditch, of the
brothers of Joran, says Anita of of the ditch.

The teacher had been not yet rather interrogated because the police
force was just recently informed concerning the find.   

Zoomz all ins & outs have once more put row on n and are here examine.

thanks Nut....I read a little about this phone...but does anyone think it is connected to Natalee?  Could urine have used it that night?.....is it too late to trace calls made too/from it that night? Sorry if this has been discussed and answered already.

I don't know....seems doubtful.  The battery must have still been good for them to see the numbers stored on the phone.  Also, it doesn't say if the teacher used that phone to call those numbers, but if he did you would think that the phone had not been missing for very long or the service would have been disconnected.  Unless it was one of those prepaid phones.  Would one of those still have battery life left?


Well, if the battery on that phone lasted that long I need to find out what kind of phone it was so I can get me one.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on February 14, 2008, 04:56:03 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 14, 2008, 04:58:18 PM

thanks Nut....I read a little about this phone...but does anyone think it is connected to Natalee?  Could urine have used it that night?.....is it too late to trace calls made too/from it that night? Sorry if this has been discussed and answered already.

I don't know....seems doubtful.  The battery must have still been good for them to see the numbers stored on the phone.  Also, it doesn't say if the teacher used that phone to call those numbers, but if he did you would think that the phone had not been missing for very long or the service would have been disconnected.  Unless it was one of those prepaid phones.  Would one of those still have battery life left?


Well, if the battery on that phone lasted that long I need to find out what kind of phone it was so I can get me one.....

Me too!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 05:00:40 PM
Well, I gotta run back to the store before picking up boys from practice.......
I just HATE it when I get home from the store and am missing one particular item that I KNOW that I purachased.........  ::MonkeyRoll::
Catch y"all later...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 05:00:41 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

Posted by Resigned at RU (calling Glenda out on her BS):  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is Miss Maureen with the station or was she a guest? She doesn''t have a contact number:

http://www.hit94fm.com/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 05:01:03 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn
::MonkeyEek:: WTH?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:01:06 PM
Translated from:
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6348
Geplaatst door CS op Donderdag 14 februari @ 14:00:00 GMT+1
...........Probably already been posted, but here goes anyway.

A docent of Colegio Aruba has been questioned last week to three times
concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. That the antillian
newspaper communicates Amigoe. The teacher had a year after the
disappearance of Holloway in 2006,, a mobile tel. found which proved
be of Jorans brother valentijn.

Valentijn had lost the toestel during quadrace. The vinder a couple
had rung numbers on the gsm and got afterwards father Paul of of the
ditch to the line. Initially it was adopted that the mobieltje of Paul
of of the ditch were.

The mobile tel. is however of valentijn of of the ditch, of the
brothers of Joran, says Anita of of the ditch.

The teacher had been not yet rather interrogated because the police
force was just recently informed concerning the find.   

Zoomz all ins & outs have once more put row on n and are here examine.

thanks Nut....I read a little about this phone...but does anyone think it is connected to Natalee?  Could urine have used it that night?.....is it too late to trace calls made too/from it that night? Sorry if this has been discussed and answered already.

I don't know....seems doubtful.  The battery must have still been good for them to see the numbers stored on the phone.  Also, it doesn't say if the teacher used that phone to call those numbers, but if he did you would think that the phone had not been missing for very long or the service would have been disconnected.  Unless it was one of those prepaid phones.  Would one of those still have battery life left?

I think I read the teacher called the last number called...like redial and papa slop answered (I hope I didn't dream that) I lost a cell phone when we moved....didn't find it for over 3 months...the battery was dead...but when we recharged it I had calls and messages....so what if the phone wasn't missing for  a long time...but perhaps urine used Val's phone instead of his own.....even after nearly 3 years would any of those calls still be able to be traced?  As you might I have guessed I am cell phone illiterate ::MonkeyConfused::  I just don't believe in coincidences like that


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 05:02:52 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

Posted by Resigned at RU (calling Glenda out on her BS):  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is Miss Maureen with the station or was she a guest? She doesn''t have a contact number:

http://www.hit94fm.com/index.html


only one missing is Miss Cleo!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 05:03:40 PM
Isn't it true that Mos saw a copy of de vries's video before he arrested Joran the last time?

Can anyone confirm this?

The reason I'm asking is Mos knew he had no "new" evidence and yet managed to get an arrest warrant issued, setting the bar even higher when he knew this interview would come out.

It just keeps on stinking more and more...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:03:59 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn

Dennis...that would make too much sense ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:04:35 PM
Quote
Politie negeerde aanbod Van der Eem

Minister Hirsch Ballin van Justitie geeft toe dat de politie fouten heeft gemaakt in de zaak Joran van der Sloot.

Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot[/size]

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml

IMO this is the first REAL news since the broadcast sunday 3th february


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:05:05 PM
Well, I gotta run back to the store before picking up boys from practice.......
I just HATE it when I get home from the store and am missing one particular item that I KNOW that I purachased.........  ::MonkeyRoll::
Catch y"all later...

bye bye Cubbee...TTYL...feel better quickly


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 05:05:15 PM
They should swab Glenda's mouth and check it for just how many different male DNA's that can locate in there. I bet the answer is a world's record. They don't call her Rentahoe for nothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 05:07:15 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn

More likely needed an order for forced commitment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:07:17 PM
Isn't it true that Mos saw a copy of de vries's video before he arrested Joran the last time?

Can anyone confirm this?

The reason I'm asking is Mos knew he had no "new" evidence and yet managed to get an arrest warrant issued, setting the bar even higher when he knew this interview would come out.

It just keeps on stinking more and more...

Frank, Peter said urine was arrested the last time BEFORE they could start the sting


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:08:55 PM
Quote
Politie negeerde aanbod Van der Eem

Minister Hirsch Ballin van Justitie geeft toe dat de politie fouten heeft gemaakt in de zaak Joran van der Sloot.

Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot[/size]

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml

IMO this is the first REAL news since the broadcast sunday 3th february

It sure is!!!!  so now what are they gonna do about it ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
Sunny,

Thanks, it just seems odd they were able to get an arrest with nothing and now they are rejected.

Has Paulus reviewed the judges appeal decision yet, you know, reviewed the wording?

I still am angry at the media for not coming out and saying Daury has to be Paulus.

The superior court saying Paulus met Natalee twice that evening. We know the first was in the casino but where could the second meeting have taken place given the timeline?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 05:11:14 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn

Dennis...that would make too much sense ::MonkeyWink::

No, they will probably question 'Maurine' if she exists.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 05:12:30 PM

I don't know....seems doubtful.  The battery must have still been good for them to see the numbers stored on the phone.  Also, it doesn't say if the teacher used that phone to call those numbers, but if he did you would think that the phone had not been missing for very long or the service would have been disconnected.  Unless it was one of those prepaid phones.  Would one of those still have battery life left?

I think I read the teacher called the last number called...like redial and papa slop answered (I hope I didn't dream that) I lost a cell phone when we moved....didn't find it for over 3 months...the battery was dead...but when we recharged it I had calls and messages....so what if the phone wasn't missing for  a long time...but perhaps urine used Val's phone instead of his own.....even after nearly 3 years would any of those calls still be able to be traced?  As you might I have guessed I am cell phone illiterate ::MonkeyConfused::  I just don't believe in coincidences like that
They can still find what calls were made even if the battery was dead through the SIM card or emei number on the phone. They probably have history going back 3 years with setar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 05:12:38 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn

Gimme phone # to radio station...I wanna call!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 05:13:39 PM
caesu - we have been waiting for the police errors made comment.... the next step will be to blame it all on the cops, the prosecutor, and close what was left of the case down.

All the while never disciplining any cops, any of the prosecution team ... and everyone skates away ...or so they think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 05:13:42 PM
Friday decision.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
Mark Furman discussing now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blonde on February 14, 2008, 05:14:45 PM
Spock - could very well be the same guy and dog. 
I think so too. I wonder why NO ONE has run a story on the aru-bay videos. Maybe we could get Dana to feature the videos and have Jossy and few other guests discuss what is happening there in early June 2005. Dana are you listening?

Jossy has been asked about the videos on Dana Pretzer before and he really didn't offer much information.  I don't think Jossy has any idea what the aru-bay videos were about.

I agree though, I'd love to see more attention to them.  Maybe it's something Peter DeVries can look into?

Klass I sent him all my screen shots yeaterday he said he would look into it for me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:15:39 PM
O/T

SEVERAL PEOPLE REPORTED SHOT AT NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:16:12 PM
Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws (http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/print/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kermit on February 14, 2008, 05:16:37 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 05:17:06 PM
Quote
Politie negeerde aanbod Van der Eem

Minister Hirsch Ballin van Justitie geeft toe dat de politie fouten heeft gemaakt in de zaak Joran van der Sloot.

Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot[/size]

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml

IMO this is the first REAL news since the broadcast sunday 3th february

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml

Entire article through the google translator:

First to the politie
Tegen appointments, information submitted by Patrick van der Eem, which Van der Sloot on hidden camera did confess, can not passed to the PPS. Before joining Peter R. Aanklopte de Vries, Van der Eem first went to the Gelderse police.

Burgerinfiltranten

Dat corps gave the information to the Corps in Rotterdam, but both forces left after this to the public prosecutor's office to report. According to the minister, it is not plausible that the testimony of Van der Eem have been used. The CDA would therefore a discussion on the role of burgerinfiltranten in criminal cases.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blonde on February 14, 2008, 05:17:52 PM
Anyone know what van this is?(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/cleanupvan.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:19:48 PM
Sunny,

Thanks, it just seems odd they were able to get an arrest with nothing and now they are rejected.

Has Paulus reviewed the judges appeal decision yet, you know, reviewed the wording?

I still am angry at the media for not coming out and saying Daury has to be Paulus.

The superior court saying Paulus met Natalee twice that evening. We know the first was in the casino but where could the second meeting have taken place given the timeline?

YW Frank.....I still believe MOS had new evidence....but 'someone' stopped him dead in his tracks....wish we had the answers to all those questions.....and why in the hell it was never addressed legally......it was enough to stop papa slop from getting what he felt was his monetary due!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:21:22 PM
They should swab Glenda's mouth and check it for just how many different male DNA's that can locate in there. I bet the answer is a world's record. They don't call her Rentahoe for nothing.

eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww whoever did the swabbing would certainly need to wear a hazmat suit.....eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:21:51 PM
Isn't it true that Mos saw a copy of de vries's video before he arrested Joran the last time?

Can anyone confirm this?

The reason I'm asking is Mos knew he had no "new" evidence and yet managed to get an arrest warrant issued, setting the bar even higher when he knew this interview would come out.

It just keeps on stinking more and more...

Frank, Peter said urine was arrested the last time BEFORE they could start the sting

Hmm.  I thought the sting was interrupted by that last arrest.  Just when they were getting to the heart of the matter, JVDS got busted and they had to wait to get him to go further on tape.  The first person he called when he got back to Holland was Patrick.

Did I imagine the above?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:22:02 PM
Quote
Politie negeerde aanbod Van der Eem

Minister Hirsch Ballin van Justitie geeft toe dat de politie fouten heeft gemaakt in de zaak Joran van der Sloot.

Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot[/size]

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml

IMO this is the first REAL news since the broadcast sunday 3th february

It sure is!!!!  so now what are they gonna do about it ::MonkeyRoll::

this is good news.
an error has been made.
so now there are questions asked.
and answers. more questions... and so on.

interesting is also.
that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue.
but other parties didn't want a debate???
why not?  ::MonkeyRoll::

i think this is a start for some more.

also to bring this news on friday late evening is smart.
no parlaiment sessions over the weekend.
also next week the parlaiment has one week off!!!!!
so what they hope is, that in a week from now everybody has forgotten!

i won't  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:22:47 PM

I don't know....seems doubtful.  The battery must have still been good for them to see the numbers stored on the phone.  Also, it doesn't say if the teacher used that phone to call those numbers, but if he did you would think that the phone had not been missing for very long or the service would have been disconnected.  Unless it was one of those prepaid phones.  Would one of those still have battery life left?

I think I read the teacher called the last number called...like redial and papa slop answered (I hope I didn't dream that) I lost a cell phone when we moved....didn't find it for over 3 months...the battery was dead...but when we recharged it I had calls and messages....so what if the phone wasn't missing for  a long time...but perhaps urine used Val's phone instead of his own.....even after nearly 3 years would any of those calls still be able to be traced?  As you might I have guessed I am cell phone illiterate ::MonkeyConfused::  I just don't believe in coincidences like that
They can still find what calls were made even if the battery was dead through the SIM card or emei number on the phone. They probably have history going back 3 years with setar.

thanks "O".....dare I ask if anyone thinks that has been done? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:23:53 PM
Posted by Glenda in the thread MF started regarding Pittbull's wife:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Glenda021408Pittbull.jpg)

sounds like just cause for a search warrant to me.
dennisintn

Gimme phone # to radio station...I wanna call!

hahahahaha....quick some get that darn number...Destiny is on a roll!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:24:41 PM
Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws (http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/print/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml)

Is this like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?  Good grief.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 05:25:22 PM
Are we confirming that once again the 8 day rule for appeal has been fudged?

Really. What a shock.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 05:26:11 PM
Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws (http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/print/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml)

Is this like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?  Good grief.

Hi Peaches!

Sorta like the right hand doesn't even know there is a left hand!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
O/T

SEVERAL PEOPLE REPORTED SHOT AT NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more 

These incidents in Illinois are becoming more and more common and becoming more and more worrisome.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
Isn't it true that Mos saw a copy of de vries's video before he arrested Joran the last time?

Can anyone confirm this?

The reason I'm asking is Mos knew he had no "new" evidence and yet managed to get an arrest warrant issued, setting the bar even higher when he knew this interview would come out.

It just keeps on stinking more and more...

Frank, Peter said urine was arrested the last time BEFORE they could start the sting

Hmm.  I thought the sting was interrupted by that last arrest.  Just when they were getting to the heart of the matter, JVDS got busted and they had to wait to get him to go further on tape.  The first person he called when he got back to Holland was Patrick.

Did I imagine the above?

I think we are both right....in referring to the sting I was thinking the cameras and microphones....but I might be wrong...and yes he did call patrick and if I remember correctly brought him a present


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:28:19 PM
caesu, I hope you're right.

Last nite, UPS delivered the loveliest dozen tulips from my father for me on Valentine's Day.  Normally, I would have frowned because they are tulips but so many of our recent Dutch monkeys have been so generous with their time and info, that I'm starting to rething my "tulip" boycott.  Besides, they're beautiful and my dad sent them. 

But I'm still never going to Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 05:29:18 PM
O/T

SEVERAL PEOPLE REPORTED SHOT AT NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more 

These incidents in Illinois are becoming more and more common and becoming more and more worrisome.

I agree.  If the students and faculty are licensed to carry, they should be allowed to carry on school grounds.  I bet that would stop most of this crazy shit!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:30:17 PM
When ski masks are outlawed, only outlaws will have ski masks.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:31:49 PM
Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws (http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/print/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml)

Is this like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?  Good grief.

exactly!! this is simular to what happened in the IRT-affair 1994.
in the IRT-affair they did use infiltrants and it went wrong.
now they didn't use a infiltrant and it went wrong.
because of IRT-affair Hirsch Ballin resigned a justice minister.
also Rudy Croes - justice minister before 1994 was involved in that.
now they are both justice minister again and hate eachother.
also in the netherlands after the IRT-affair they started BOB-operations.
that's like special investigation tactics. why didn't they use that?
aruba has no BOB. why not?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::
all politics but things are coming together. nice.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlementaire_enqu%C3%AAtecommissie_opsporingsmethoden


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 05:32:09 PM
Are we confirming that once again the 8 day rule for appeal has been fudged?

Really. What a shock.



Said they would definitely have a decision whether or not to arrest within the next 24 hours. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on February 14, 2008, 05:34:49 PM
caesu, I hope you're right.

Last nite, UPS delivered the loveliest dozen tulips from my father for me on Valentine's Day.  Normally, I would have frowned because they are tulips but so many of our recent Dutch monkeys have been so generous with their time and info, that I'm starting to rething my "tulip" boycott.  Besides, they're beautiful and my dad sent them. 

But I'm still never going to Aruba.

LOL...enjoy your tulips...they are filled with love.....and I am never going to aruba again either unless it's for a memorial for Natalee...!...hated it the only time I was there and would not want to contribute one cent to the island...except for Natalee


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:34:56 PM
i am not watching it but on tv show Pauw / Witteman they started bashing Hero Brinkman!

what a surprise  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 05:35:44 PM
Sunny,

Thanks, it just seems odd they were able to get an arrest with nothing and now they are rejected.

Has Paulus reviewed the judges appeal decision yet, you know, reviewed the wording?

I still am angry at the media for not coming out and saying Daury has to be Paulus.

The superior court saying Paulus met Natalee twice that evening. We know the first was in the casino but where could the second meeting have taken place given the timeline?

Frank ... the Superior Court ruling that reversed the compensation previously awarded Paulus for wrongful detention was based on  taped evidence (casino video?) as well as Paulus' words (declaration?) spoken in front of witnesses at the Twitty group encounter on the morning of May 31, 2005.

I contend that Paulus lied when he stated that he up Natalee and Joran at 4:00 AM and then took Natalee to the Holiday Inn on the morning of May 30, 2005.  I speculate that Paulus was attempting to either create an alibi for his son or ... an alibi for himself in the event that someone had witnessed him in the Marriot Beach area.  I suspect that Paulus' presence in the Marriott Beach area on the morning of May 30, 2005 had everything to do with a panic call from his son and ... had everything to do with a deceased Natalee.

Paulus later denied that he made that statement to the Twitty group that he picked up Natalee and Joran that morning but ... the Supreme Court ruled otherwise.

Janet

+++++++++++


Superior Court Ruling
January, 2007

 
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

 
PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005

 
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:35:52 PM
caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Debra on February 14, 2008, 05:37:17 PM
To Natalee and all the Lost Girls....

You are truly loved!

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/valentine.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:38:34 PM
i am not watching it but on tv show Pauw / Witteman they started bashing Hero Brinkman!

what a surprise  ::MonkeyWink::

the major of Amsterdam Cohen is on.
Hero Brinkman called him 'the worst major ever'
Brinkman used to be a police officer in Amsterdam.
Cohen is of PvdA government coalition party.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 05:38:50 PM
caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Peaches...don't know about Caesu....but BOB is code for me..for Battery Operated Boyfriend ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 05:39:10 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Debra on February 14, 2008, 05:39:40 PM
Quote
Debra
Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/white-van4.jpg)

Debra,
Thank you for your kind words.
Is the photo in Maria Mai?

Nearby....Santa Cruz






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: the big hammer on February 14, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:40:10 PM
caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Peaches...don't know about Caesu....but BOB is code for me..for Battery Operated Boyfriend ;-)

Well, alrighty then.  Gotcha.  I hear some hungry hounds.

Enjoyed it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 14, 2008, 05:41:39 PM
Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2008, 05:44:50 PM
caesu, I hope you're right.

Last nite, UPS delivered the loveliest dozen tulips from my father for me on Valentine's Day.  Normally, I would have frowned because they are tulips but so many of our recent Dutch monkeys have been so generous with their time and info, that I'm starting to rething my "tulip" boycott.  Besides, they're beautiful and my dad sent them. 

But I'm still never going to Aruba.

Peaches Maybe the tulips were grown in Holland, Michigan! Enjoy!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:44:54 PM
caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Quote
1994

The so-called IRT affair shocked the nation. Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (*1950) van Justitie interior minister Ed van Thijn (*1934) were forced to resign. It became known that the inter regional detective squad (IRT), with permission from both departments, had been bringing in billions of guilders worth of cocaine and other drugs in an undercover sting operation. The CDA was hurt badly at the May 3 general elections. For the first time since 1917 a cabinet was formed without any of the Christian parties. Because of its color (red of the socialists and blue of the liberals), the new government was called the "purple" cabinet. Wim Kok was prime minister.

to explain BOB i might compare this to the 'Patriot Act'
to give the police special powers to fight terrorism (or organised crime?).

BOB doesn't NOT apply to Aruba! why not?????  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.cbpweb.nl/documenten/med_adv_z2004-1529.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 05:45:31 PM
Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

source RTL nieuws (http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/print/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/14/binnenland/0214_2245_Justitie_Patrick_van_der_Eem_infor_Joran.xml)

Is this like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing?  Good grief.

exactly!! this is simular to what happened in the IRT-affair 1994.
in the IRT-affair they did use infiltrants and it went wrong.
now they didn't use a infiltrant and it went wrong.
because of IRT-affair Hirsch Ballin resigned a justice minister.
also Rudy Croes - justice minister before 1994 was involved in that.
now they are both justice minister again and hate eachother.
also in the netherlands after the IRT-affair they started BOB-operations.
that's like special investigation tactics. why didn't they use that?
aruba has no BOB. why not?
 ::MonkeyHaHa::
all politics but things are coming together. nice.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parlementaire_enqu%C3%AAtecommissie_opsporingsmethoden

so what are they goona do now, say the Joran confession tape is not admissable because some cops somewhere knew about it?


What a joke.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: IBE on February 14, 2008, 05:46:06 PM
Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

I keep saying that but at times it is pooh poohed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 05:46:06 PM
Anyone know what van this is?(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/cleanupvan.jpg)

FBI. . . I have this photo and enlarged one of the belts. I see a badge. I think that's the FBI.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:46:09 PM
caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Quote
1994

The so-called IRT affair shocked the nation. Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (*1950) van Justitie interior minister Ed van Thijn (*1934) were forced to resign. It became known that the inter regional detective squad (IRT), with permission from both departments, had been bringing in billions of guilders worth of cocaine and other drugs in an undercover sting operation. The CDA was hurt badly at the May 3 general elections. For the first time since 1917 a cabinet was formed without any of the Christian parties. Because of its color (red of the socialists and blue of the liberals), the new government was called the "purple" cabinet. Wim Kok was prime minister.

to explain BOB i might compare this to the 'Patriot Act'
to give the police special powers to fight terrorism (or organised crime?).

BOB doesn't NOT apply to Aruba! why not?????  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.cbpweb.nl/documenten/med_adv_z2004-1529.shtml

a guilder is roughly 0.50 euro = 0.40 US$


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:47:13 PM
caesu, dare I ask you to decode "BOB" and "IRT" for us country girls?
TY

Quote
1994

The so-called IRT affair shocked the nation. Justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (*1950) van Justitie interior minister Ed van Thijn (*1934) were forced to resign. It became known that the inter regional detective squad (IRT), with permission from both departments, had been bringing in billions of guilders worth of cocaine and other drugs in an undercover sting operation. The CDA was hurt badly at the May 3 general elections. For the first time since 1917 a cabinet was formed without any of the Christian parties. Because of its color (red of the socialists and blue of the liberals), the new government was called the "purple" cabinet. Wim Kok was prime minister.

to explain BOB i might compare this to the 'Patriot Act'
to give the police special powers to fight terrorism (or organised crime?).

BOB doesn't NOT apply to Aruba! why not?????  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.cbpweb.nl/documenten/med_adv_z2004-1529.shtml

a guilder is roughly 0.50 euro = 0.40 US$

i mean 0.25US$ but still billions!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Destiny on February 14, 2008, 05:47:23 PM
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Thanks!...will call now...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 05:52:20 PM
If all the people initially repulsed by Joran in Holland had kept up the beat - Joran would have already been arrested. This is political. We know and they know it.

The politicians see the anger has died down and they may feel confident no harm will come to their own personal career.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: Peaches on Today at 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: caesu on Today at 04:16:12 PM
Quote
Police ignored offer of Van der Eem

Justice Minister Hirsch Ballin acknowledges that the police made errors in the case Joran van der Sloot

Firstly to the police

Against agreement in information originating from Patrick of van der Eem, whose under-cover operation let Van der Sloot to confess, was not forward to the OM. Before contacted Peter R. de Vries, Van der Eem firstly to the Gelderland police.

Civilian infiltrants

This police force passed on the information, however, to the police in Rotterdam, but both police forces did not communicate this the to OM. According to the minister it is not plausible that the under-cover Van der Eem would have been usable anyway. For this reason governement coalition party CDA wants a discussion concerning the role of civilian infiltrants in criminal matters.

there were questions asked as why the police did not work with the info patrick had offered them.
of course,in hindsight, they would rather have the confessiontapes on the OM's conto instead of on Peter de Vriess'
thats all this is about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 05:57:47 PM
Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

I keep saying that but at times it is pooh poohed.

which party? i don't know details.
but things are coming together imo.

also the bashing on hero brinkman has started on tv.

also in the news article it says "the confession".
i don't know if this is quoted from the justice minister.
if he did he made another error because he shouldn't get involved like that.
(trias politica)
OM should decide if it is a confession or not.
justice minister does head the OM but he can't comment on particular cases.
he only has to make sure - they've got the tools and the money.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 05:59:39 PM
just to make clear that what hirsch ballin said there had nothing to do with the investigations that we are talking about on this forum.
i dont want you to get your hopes high on nothing


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 05:59:47 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 06:00:41 PM
When I read that Patrick Van der Eem had approach the Aruban authorities prior to Peter Devries in regards to exposing Joran van der Sloot  ... it did not sit too well with me.  Joran could have been forewarned about his "friend" and ... decided to relate an account that only implicated him and ... distanced his father ... in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  That is the reason that the accomplice and ... the telephone call ... are pieces of the puzzle that do not fit.

I have save another article/transcript where Hans Mos affirms that Patrick approached the police/him (?) prior to approaching Peter Devries.  I am look for it.  Maybe another Monkey has this article/transcript.

Janet

+++++++++++++

Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 14, 2008, 06:03:48 PM
Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 06:04:29 PM
i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
O/T

SEVERAL PEOPLE REPORTED SHOT AT NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY

**Watch FOX News Channel or go to http://foxnews.com for more 



Oh no! My neice attends there.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 06:07:25 PM
Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?


I believe they mean the afternoon of 5/29/05 here. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 06:08:01 PM
just to make clear that what hirsch ballin said there had nothing to do with the investigations that we are talking about on this forum.
i dont want you to get your hopes high on nothing

i know but, they made a mistake.
this is important. they shouldn't have made a mistake in such an important case.
also monday the PVV asked for emergency debate about exactly this. they didn't get it.
the PVV is going get back on that!
i mean, it's important that an error is made.
if there was no error - they wouldn't have to answer questions.
and often an answer leads to another question.

police force Gelderland and Rotterdam both should have gone to the OM.
and the didn't. or did they not want to solve the case??
PVV will pick up on this. they have questions.
together with the 'corrupt gangsters' nest' it is starting to become a bigger story.

but of course long way to go.
but i see some connections IRT-affair was really big.
also about infiltrations.

also still no word from aruba...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 06:08:17 PM
i think, and i also believe it is said by someone in the press, the dutch police declined to use patricks services because he has  a criminal record.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

I understood it was Holland and not Aruba.  Thanks for clearing it up for others that may have been confused.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 14, 2008, 06:08:47 PM
Thanks Klas....it didn't make sense...but it is funny that the only time Van der Straten is listed is after this statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kermit on February 14, 2008, 06:10:26 PM
Quote
Debra
Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/white-van4.jpg)

Debra,
Thank you for your kind words.
Is the photo in Maria Mai?

Nearby....Santa Cruz






What do the letters on the side of the building mean?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kermit on February 14, 2008, 06:11:13 PM
HOPPING VALENTINES DAY TO ALL OF YOU MONKEY'S


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 06:12:04 PM
i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

yes, that's true.
but the KLPD was also trying to solve the case.
i also don't want to get hopes up to high to early.
but is has been quiet for a week. no statements from any official.
only delaying.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 06:13:24 PM
caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 06:14:23 PM
Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?


I think it is being said that the questioning by the friends (Americans) was on 5/31/05 and "you went yesterday" which would be 5/30/05.  But, nonetheless...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 06:15:46 PM
caesu, i respect the efforts you make, but i do believe you are blowing things up way out of proportion. i also noticed that you make it seem as if all politicians are in this, but i am positive that is not true at all.
The fact is that this case does have full media attention at times, but the politicians didnt give it much of attention as to yet.
is this attention needed? i agree with you it does.
do i see a complot with our arliament involved? no, not as yet.
there s a difference in things hat happen on the island and dutch politics in general.
and i think it does no good to the cause if you make everyone look corrupt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 06:16:58 PM
Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?


From the Shango thread...

<snip>
2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 06:18:21 PM
and im wondering also... as the PVV is being so aggressive towards foreigners in Holland, i do not see them helping to search for a foreign girl in Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 14, 2008, 06:21:49 PM
Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?


I think it is being said that the questioning by the friends (Americans) was on 5/31/05 and "you went yesterday" which would be 5/30/05.  But, nonetheless...

well.....it is right here at this point in Paulus' statement that the pages go missing.......just as Paulus is starting to say something about the girl had in fact been seen after......ops...pages gone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 06:21:50 PM
caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.



yes, you've been so let down by both OM's and still are.
but did Hirsch Ballin have to wait 12 days, and only then he saw an error was made?
announce that friday evening?
i mean an emergency debate was asked by the PVV about exactly this issue.
the PVV will follow up in this one.
they are trying to delay. next week the parlaiment is not in session.
so there's no possibility for a debate. they're still hoping it will blow over...

i know i am wishcasting too much...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 06:23:52 PM
From the Shango thread...

<snip>
2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ArubaBlackTeam1Diario3-21-2007.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 06:26:28 PM
i think there is a misunderstanding here. patrick offered his services to the dutch police in HOLLAND not in Aruba.
He met Joran in a casino in Arnhem, in Holland.

The article/transcript that I am search for are the words of Hans Mos.  He states that his office was approach by Patrick but ... the offer of cooperating was declined.

Nevertheless ... if the "powers that be" in Holland or Aruba were aware that Joran's "friend" had motives that involves exposing him ...

Again I ask ... "Could Joran have been forwarned and ... give Patrick an account that distancing his father from accountability?"

Think about the following words of Joran to P&W.  This guy did not trust Patrick yet ..

Also ... When the pacifist words come from Joran's lips in the P&W interview are considered ... it would appear that a miracle has taken place and ... Joran van der Sloot's life-long anger management issues have been resolved since the the wine throwing incidence ... within the past month.  He is not angry at Patrick or Peter.

Janet

+++++++++


Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

<snipped>

Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Quistion: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

<snipped>

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 06:26:31 PM
Time for the evening laugh..Courtesy of Klaas  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/LesLevine.swf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 06:28:15 PM
and im wondering also... as the PVV is being so aggressive towards foreigners in Holland, i do not see them helping to search for a foreign girl in Aruba

i think they actually want to side with american for their stance on muslim radical terror.
but i also disagree with the PVV on most issues. like forbidding the koran. i don't think that's a good idea.
i mean if the PVV is the only party who called aruba / antilles corrupt.
and the only party who even mentioned natalee holloway, i am willing to support the party just for that.

Quote
Pinguïnpak - Weblog

vrijdag 08 februari 2008

Deze week vroeg mijn fractiegenoot Raymond de Roon om een spoeddebat naar aanleiding van de opzienbarende ontwikkelingen rond de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Het verzoek werd door de andere partijen afgewezen. Heel Nederland praat erover, maar de Tweede Kamer zwijgt.

http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=5&Itemid=103


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 06:28:38 PM
caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.



yes, you've been so let down by both OM's and still are.
but did Hirsch Ballin have to wait 12 days, and only then he saw an error was made?
announce that friday evening?
i mean an emergency debate was asked by the PVV about exactly this issue.
the PVV will follow up in this one.
they are trying to delay. next week the parlaiment is not in session.
so there's no possibility for a debate. they're still hoping it will blow over...

i know i am wishcasting too much...

caesu, thank you for talking the time to help the cause of justice for Natalee. I mean that.

I only speak for myself, but I can honestly tell you that if this abortion would have happened in Holland and you would have seen it in a slightly different light and seen for yourself how this group of criminals perverted the justice system and still do to this day.

Since the light is now shinning on those that ran back to the Mudderland - I laugh as I know they are in the liar to be brought to justice, but will they?

In the event they are not, I would be careful when facing the justice system in Holland. The corrupt are intermingled with the decent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 06:39:22 PM
well it's pretty clear that if we're trying to figure this out without luck, the judges will deliver a stinkbomb, incomprehensible piece of bs tomorrow.

It smells bad. It's true that this "confession" being such a bombshell, and to those following the case, really, is nothing but a red herring.

Not to say it hasn't done wonders for bringing pressure on the corrupt Aruba.

They're patter is to get more outrageous when the microscope is on.

I just can't see them bringing Joran back ever again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 06:41:23 PM
caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on February 14, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
From last thread:
Quote from: Rob on Today at 03:11:25 PM
I'm looking for some other pics.. but found this one..



I'm not sure if the images copied over but one was of Janssen and Jacobs and what may be Akers.To me the one who may be Akers,looks like the prosecutor Dom or whatever her name is,on aruba.Anyone have a image of her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blonde on February 14, 2008, 06:45:48 PM
Paulus' Brother

caesu writes: interesting is also. that on monday right after the broadcast a fellow member of Hero Brinkman asked for an emergence debate about exactly this issue. but other parties didn't want a debate???

I recall reading here that Pualus' brother (joran's uncle) is/was a member of a Dutch political party and held a government post.  I can't remember his name -- was it Marko?

Perhaps klass can find?

As I recall, you are correct.  I'm sure someone can confirm quicker than I but I believe you are right. 

I keep saying that but at times it is pooh poohed.

which party? i don't know details.
but things are coming together imo.

also the bashing on hero brinkman has started on tv.

also in the news article it says "the confession".
i don't know if this is quoted from the justice minister.
if he did he made another error because he shouldn't get involved like that.
(trias politica)
OM should decide if it is a confession or not.
justice minister does head the OM but he can't comment on particular cases.
he only has to make sure - they've got the tools and the money.

I had this saved

 VDS connections in NL
According to discussion , the question was regarding a particular Marco Van Der Sloot being possibly related to Paulus. Ramm evidently contacted Marco who denied the fact that he was related to Paulus, but also states there could be others Paulus is related to.

more untruths, Paul van der Sloot possibly does have brothers in the Netherlands, but Marco van der Sloot and the professor are NOT BROTHERS OF PAUL VAN DER SLOOT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JA on February 14, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
Is it possible that Natalee wasn't put out to sea, and Joran thinks that is where she is?  I could see him calling Paulus, who in turn called Lorenzo.  Together they decided what to do with the body, and together they decided not to let Joran know what they were going to do, in case Joran confessed to someone.  They told Joran that they dumped the body, where she may have been buried or incinerated on the island.

If she is buried at Lorenzo's, will they ever get a search warrant?  I doubt it.  He seemed untouchable.  If they know about his illegal parties and drug dealing and don't do anything about it, I doubt they'd do anything now.

I still think Paulus is the big key to the mystery of Natalee's disappearance.  They aren't pulling him in because he knows to much of the dealing of the politics and  corruption  on the island


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 06:50:35 PM
i agree that the role of karin janssen, jan verstraaten and dompig need to be researched by independent researchers, and they must definetely be punished if they deliberately frustrate the investigations.
i agree that this search for natalee and the truth needs more attention from officials in order to do justice and get to the bottom of things.
but i distance myself from the PVV.
and by all means, you are entitled to your own opinions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 06:52:55 PM
tamakisosmom, i was under the impression paulus only was in contact with the police in the netherlands. and, to be honest,  my ears go on blabla-mode when joran speaks, for all he is telling us are lies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 14, 2008, 06:55:40 PM
Good Afternoon all....

my question....

Deepak Statement 6-13-05

In the Van Der Sloot yard on 5-31-05  "One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the WINDHAM CASINO earlier that afternoon.  Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on camera.  And an American man said to me "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing".

Jan Van der Straten went to the WINDHAM shortly after this statement to meet with security Aaron Jean Marc.
This is the only time I find Van der Straten listed on this Discovery Log.

Was Natalee at the WINDHAM on the afternoon of 5-31-05 and possibly still alive?


I think it is being said that the questioning by the friends (Americans) was on 5/31/05 and "you went yesterday" which would be 5/30/05.  But, nonetheless...

When you have been up all night and traveling, yesterday would refer to the
day before since you had not had a sleep.....still in the timeframe of 5/30.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 06:57:45 PM
The myth that Paulus "knows too much" is annoying. That essentially immunizes almost every Dutch person working on that island. What's he going to do?

He and his family are liars, let him sing whatever he wants, just throw him in jail and let him tell his stories to the wall, nobody will care.

To me, this has more to do with what's left of Aruba's "image."

Their brand has been badly damaged and the truth about what a few people did, if it comes out now, will be fatal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 06:57:56 PM
Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 06:58:32 PM
Looking through my oldest files now....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Debra on February 14, 2008, 07:02:25 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ArubaBlackTeam1Diario3-21-2007.jpg)

Rob: Would this happen to be the Moko Whitehouse Apartments?

Map
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/moko-map-1.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 07:02:29 PM
totally off topic,
but uhm...i have listened to Dana several times now, and i think he has a very nice voice to listen to. i'm curious for the face that goes with the voice....
 :smt095 does anyone has a pic?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:05:52 PM
Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?

I'll look through my early photos.  Right now I'm in the middle of working so my mind isn't clear on it.  Will check though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:07:39 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ArubaBlackTeam1Diario3-21-2007.jpg)

Rob: Would this happen to be the Moko Whitehouse Apartments?

Map
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/moko-map-1.jpg

I don't see a moko in that photo, what am I missing?   Nor do I see a moko in the photo below.  There may very well be a moko near it though.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/mokowhitehousefh8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:14:08 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:15:59 PM
Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?

I'll look through my early photos.  Right now I'm in the middle of working so my mind isn't clear on it.  Will check though.


Thanks.....I am coming up empty...I swear I remember seeing the man, but the name 'Marco' to go with it doesn't ring a bell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:16:21 PM
klaas,

Happy looking group aren't they?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:17:32 PM
caesu - in 32 months . . . I can not think of many decisions that have gone the way of Justice for Natalee. In fact someone will probably list all two in a second.



yes, you've been so let down by both OM's and still are.
but did Hirsch Ballin have to wait 12 days, and only then he saw an error was made?
announce that friday evening?
i mean an emergency debate was asked by the PVV about exactly this issue.
the PVV will follow up in this one.
they are trying to delay. next week the parlaiment is not in session.
so there's no possibility for a debate. they're still hoping it will blow over...

i know i am wishcasting too much...

caesu, thank you for talking the time to help the cause of justice for Natalee. I mean that.

I only speak for myself, but I can honestly tell you that if this abortion would have happened in Holland and you would have seen it in a slightly different light and seen for yourself how this group of criminals perverted the justice system and still do to this day.

Since the light is now shinning on those that ran back to the Mudderland - I laugh as I know they are in the liar to be brought to justice, but will they?

In the event they are not, I would be careful when facing the justice system in Holland. The corrupt are intermingled with the decent.

sorry for ramble / rant / not fully thought through

i think i get what you mean.

like it is impossible to have an entire judicial system (actually two) working against you.
but i am just so sickened by all of this.

i am really thinking about how to put those forces in some sort of collision course so the cover-up can't continue.
i mean because of peter r. de vries there is a momentum now. i see opportunities.
you hardly see a dutchie who doesn't think it stinks. and if i speak to one and i ask about his opinion and she doesn't see it -  it just give one or two clues - and the coin drops.
maybe the momentum is a one time event. maybe peter r. next program won't cause such a media-hype as we have seen now.

and then yesterday our foreign minister opens a new building in the hague and he says: "As you know, the reputation of The Hague as the judicial capital of the world 'goes to my heart'" (meaning: is very very important). really that almost made me puke.

in the hague:
    * International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, (ICTY)
    * Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, (OPCW)
    * International Court of Justice, located in the Peace Palace.
    * International Criminal Court, (ICC).
    * European Police Office, (Europol)
    * Hague Academy of International Law, center for high-level education in both public and private international law.
    * Permanent Court of Arbitration, the oldest institution for international dispute resolution.
    * Hague Conference on Private International Law, (HCCH), the oldest and preeminent private international law harmonization institution.
    * Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
    * Eurojust, European Union body composed of national prosecutors.
    * European Patent Office
    * The European Library

i mean come on. and they send bad prosecutors, judges to aruba.
for the netherlands it is hugely important to be seen as the most lawfull righteous country in the universe.

and then i think. what if a mother lost her child on aruba or somewhere else - and she didn't have good communicational skills, didn't know how to say the right words on camera, more children to take care of, just enough money to pay the bills, i mean i could go on and on. if you then face a judicial system. you stand no chance at all in the world.
so i think if this thing gets exposed, other countries will see that at the end they won't get away with denying a mother to know what happened to her child. like a big warning. don't ever mess those things up because all involved will be the shame of the world.

so that's way i keep searching for ways.
but who am i? what can i do?

aruban parliament won't do it. usa won't get involved in dutch / aruban judicial issues.
i've read some other american blogs and they think it's just a digusting media-hype.
and they are right! this joran-tape played over and over again made me sick after one day already.
so they look away, or try to make a really funny parody; and that's how they miss what's behind it: how corrupt aruba is.

boycot won't work. dutch will bail aruba out. and most dutch trade is intra-european.
i think hero brinkman is the only chance to get the word out in the dutch parliament at he moment.
because of his stance on aruba / antilles but also because of the jan van der straten-coincident

but i've got a few more scenario's in my head.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 07:18:00 PM
klaas,

Happy looking group aren't they?


OMG..... I was just thinking the same thing..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:19:08 PM
well it's pretty clear that if we're trying to figure this out without luck, the judges will deliver a stinkbomb, incomprehensible piece of bs tomorrow.

It smells bad. It's true that this "confession" being such a bombshell, and to those following the case, really, is nothing but a red herring.

Not to say it hasn't done wonders for bringing pressure on the corrupt Aruba.

They're patter is to get more outrageous when the microscope is on.

I just can't see them bringing Joran back ever again.

I agree with you, but I just cant wait to see the assinine excuse they come up with.  You know its gonna be the biggest load yet!   They are gonna have to dig extra deep to cover Jorans ass on this one!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 07:21:17 PM
Klaasend:

Have you see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA

it new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: vms on February 14, 2008, 07:22:56 PM
Lazlo posted:

Joran not to be arrested again.

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

NOS: http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:24:06 PM
Klaasend:

Have you see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA

it new


LOL - actually yes, I saw it a couple days ago and posted it in the forum.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:24:46 PM
caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.

i watched cbs 60 minutes. pretty sickening was that, how they got accused.
and then there was race involved there. so glad for those guys, truth came out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:24:56 PM
Lazlo posted:

Joran not to be arrested again.

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

NOS: http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html

Figures

Through google translator:

February 15, 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot not re-arrested
Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That is what the Dutch lawyer Van der Sloot told of the PPS on Aruba.

The OM did review the program after Peter R. De Vries which Van der Sloot was filmed with a hidden camera. Against an infiltrator, he said that he for the disappearance of the American girl was responsible. Later he mentioned that verzinsels.

The OM see in the broadcast, and the statements afterwards no basis for a new detention of Van der Sloot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:25:30 PM
Lazlo posted:

Joran not to be arrested again.

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

NOS: http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html

OMG


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 07:26:49 PM
Klaasend:

Have you see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA

it new


Thanks for posting that.  Klass posted it yesterday and I really enjoyed it.  I love the line "You're the OJ of the Netherlands - you're a shit"  also "you call a doctor not a boat"! 

I'm loving the Dutch people keeping this thing alive.  Good to know there are others that care.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:27:03 PM
klaas,

Happy looking group aren't they?


OMG..... I was just thinking the same thing..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Happy GAY!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 07:27:41 PM
Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?

Spain.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:28:13 PM
Posted by Lazlo at RU:

This is from NOS teletext, the text is kind of odd because the OM appealed to the decision of the judge, and the decision by the 3 judges was awaited by the OM, not sure why this message says the OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest, but that is what the article says.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Pita on February 14, 2008, 07:28:49 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:28:58 PM
the just can't let him walk.
i have to take a minute to think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 07:28:59 PM
Joran is going to have to remain in hiding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:29:30 PM
Thanks Klaas....not the one I am thinking of. Oh well. TY anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
klaas,

Happy looking group aren't they?

Have you ever seen a happy group of hippies when not under the influence of the drug du jour? :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:30:07 PM
Did someone call Mos?

Oh wait, he's on vacaaation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 07:30:14 PM

sorry for ramble / rant / not fully thought through

i think i get what you mean.

like it is impossible to have an entire judicial system (actually two) working against you.
but i am just so sickened by all of this.

i am really thinking about how to put those forces in some sort of collision course so the cover-up can't continue.
i mean because of peter r. de vries there is a momentum now. i see opportunities.
you hardly see a dutchie who doesn't think it stinks. and if i speak to one and i ask about his opinion and she doesn't see it -  it just give one or two clues - and the coin drops.
maybe the momentum is a one time event. maybe peter r. next program won't cause such a media-hype as we have seen now.

and then yesterday our foreign minister opens a new building in the hague and he says: "As you know, the reputation of The Hague as the judicial capital of the world 'goes to my heart'" (meaning: is very very important). really that almost made me puke.

in the hague:
    * International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, (ICTY)
    * Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, (OPCW)
    * International Court of Justice, located in the Peace Palace.
    * International Criminal Court, (ICC).
    * European Police Office, (Europol)
    * Hague Academy of International Law, center for high-level education in both public and private international law.
    * Permanent Court of Arbitration, the oldest institution for international dispute resolution.
    * Hague Conference on Private International Law, (HCCH), the oldest and preeminent private international law harmonization institution.
    * Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
    * Eurojust, European Union body composed of national prosecutors.
    * European Patent Office
    * The European Library

i mean come on. and they send bad prosecutors, judges to aruba.
for the netherlands it is hugely important to be seen as the most lawfull righteous country in the universe.

and then i think. what if a mother lost her child on aruba or somewhere else - and she didn't have good communicational skills, didn't know how to say the right words on camera, more children to take care of, just enough money to pay the bills, i mean i could go on and on. if you then face a judicial system. you stand no chance at all in the world.
so i think if this thing gets exposed, other countries will see that at the end they won't get away with denying a mother to know what happened to her child. like a big warning. don't ever mess those things up because all involved will be the shame of the world.

so that's way i keep searching for ways.
but who am i? what can i do?

aruban parliament won't do it. usa won't get involved in dutch / aruban judicial issues.
i've read some other american blogs and they think it's just a digusting media-hype.
and they are right! this joran-tape played over and over again made me sick after one day already.
so they look away, or try to make a really funny parody; and that's how they miss what's behind it: how corrupt aruba is.

boycot won't work. dutch will bail aruba out. and most dutch trade is intra-european.
i think hero brinkman is the only chance to get the word out in the dutch parliament at he moment.
because of his stance on aruba / antilles but also because of the jan van der straten-coincident

but i've got a few more scenario's in my head.

caesu - ramble away...

We have three justice systems working against us and Natalee and her family. Then throw in all the other interests. Columbia, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba... etc. It's an uphill battle. That's reason enough not to travel to Aruba.

As for all of the international judicial bodies you listed - we have all written to them before and are very familiar with the letter writing campaign.

I do agree there is some momentum, but we had momentum before only to have the corrupt Wit and Smid free the suspects. There's always tomorrow.

In the bizarro world of Aruba, nothing works like you might think it should or could. It's like the fifth dimension. Everyone dies of natural causes with one hand in their pocket at age 38. Totally normal.

In my opinion, someone needs to remove everyone in power and replace them with an intermittent government until a free election can be held.

caesu - the deeper you dig, the worse it looks. Everyday reveals a new scheme and the player involved.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
caesu,

You're kidding right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:32:00 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

in dutch that's VVD.
liberal party. but in europa that's different from america.
because liberal is here on the right of political spectrum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:33:16 PM
caesu,

You're kidding right?

they can't arrest him. free man.
lock the doors.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:33:45 PM
Posted by Lazlo at RU with full translation by Lazlo:

Full translation:

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot not to be arrested again.
Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That is what his Dutch lawyer was told by the OM on Aruba.

The OM performed a new investigation after the show of Peter R. de Vries in which Van Der Sloot was filmed with a hidden camera. To an infiltrant he said that he was responsible for the disappearance of the American girl. Later he said he had made that up.

The OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest of Van der Sloot in the broadcasting and things that were stated afterwards.


http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 14, 2008, 07:33:55 PM
There is a new judge in town for Joran & Co.
  ::MonkeyDance::


(http://i28.tinypic.com/1snmts.jpg)


i bet he has some vision

Of course he has some good vision -- and would make a fine judge, too!!  ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/sckick2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:34:24 PM
the just can't let him walk.
i have to take a minute to think.

kill the judges and burn Aruba to the ground.  Kidnap Jorans family and let him find their dead bodies one at a time about a month apart.  After the last one is dead, skin Joran alive and toss him in the drink.



Just an idea.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on February 14, 2008, 07:34:59 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

Bumping this for Nut44X4....is this the one you are thinking of?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Pita on February 14, 2008, 07:35:13 PM
Quote
Debra
Rob and Kermit...You guys RoCk!
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/white-van4.jpg)

Debra,
Thank you for your kind words.
Is the photo in Maria Mai?

Nearby....Santa Cruz






What do the letters on the side of the building mean?



Is that the donkey sanctuary?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:35:47 PM
Veryyyyyy early on in the case I remember discussions of Paulus's brother and I swear we even had a photo...please tell me I didn't dream that?? It was so long ago....     Klaas?? Do you remember? The photo was a man in Holland...was suppose to be Joran's Uncle...Paulus's brother...?

Spain.
Ohhhhhhh.........ty Tyler.....that rings a bell......mmmm.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Spock on February 14, 2008, 07:35:59 PM
Posted by Lazlo at RU:
This is from NOS teletext, the text is kind of odd because the OM appealed to the decision of the judge, and the decision by the 3 judges was awaited by the OM, not sure why this message says the OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest, but that is what the article says.
If they want to solve this case they need to arrest Van Stratten, the cover up is TOO deep now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:37:51 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.


OK....that's the photo I remember...Thanks to all...I really thought I was losing my mind  ::MonkeyConfused:: ...for some reason I could not connect the name Marco w/ that face. TY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 07:38:58 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

in dutch that's VVD.
liberal party. but in europa that's different from america.
because liberal is here on the right of political spectrum.

Kermit has all of this individual's information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:39:07 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.


OK....that's the photo I remember...Thanks to all...I really thought I was losing my mind  ::MonkeyConfused:: ...for some reason I could not connect the name Marco w/ that face. TY!

this guy looks like a f**!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 07:39:11 PM
Earlier you were discussing having an investigation of the investigation.

THAT WAS ALREADY DONE!!!

Remember?

I can't even remember when but quite a while ago.  A female from Curacao came over.  She was to spend time reviewing all of the documentation and to report on the investigation.

WHAT DID SHE FIND?  I don't remember ever hearing a report, do you?

This is all such bullshit.  A 5 year old could figure out there is pure corruption going on.  I can't believe they have the cojones to announce this.

We need to keep this thing alive while there is momentum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:40:05 PM
...with us this evening is Jossy Mansur Diario.

"Jossy what do make of the news that Joran will not be arrested?"

"The OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest of Van der Sloot in the broadcasting and things that were stated afterwards."

As always thanks again Jossy, very informative.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:41:36 PM

sorry for ramble / rant / not fully thought through

i think i get what you mean.

like it is impossible to have an entire judicial system (actually two) working against you.
but i am just so sickened by all of this.

i am really thinking about how to put those forces in some sort of collision course so the cover-up can't continue.
i mean because of peter r. de vries there is a momentum now. i see opportunities.
you hardly see a dutchie who doesn't think it stinks. and if i speak to one and i ask about his opinion and she doesn't see it -  it just give one or two clues - and the coin drops.
maybe the momentum is a one time event. maybe peter r. next program won't cause such a media-hype as we have seen now.

and then yesterday our foreign minister opens a new building in the hague and he says: "As you know, the reputation of The Hague as the judicial capital of the world 'goes to my heart'" (meaning: is very very important). really that almost made me puke.

in the hague:
    * International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, (ICTY)
    * Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, (OPCW)
    * International Court of Justice, located in the Peace Palace.
    * International Criminal Court, (ICC).
    * European Police Office, (Europol)
    * Hague Academy of International Law, center for high-level education in both public and private international law.
    * Permanent Court of Arbitration, the oldest institution for international dispute resolution.
    * Hague Conference on Private International Law, (HCCH), the oldest and preeminent private international law harmonization institution.
    * Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
    * Eurojust, European Union body composed of national prosecutors.
    * European Patent Office
    * The European Library

i mean come on. and they send bad prosecutors, judges to aruba.
for the netherlands it is hugely important to be seen as the most lawfull righteous country in the universe.

and then i think. what if a mother lost her child on aruba or somewhere else - and she didn't have good communicational skills, didn't know how to say the right words on camera, more children to take care of, just enough money to pay the bills, i mean i could go on and on. if you then face a judicial system. you stand no chance at all in the world.
so i think if this thing gets exposed, other countries will see that at the end they won't get away with denying a mother to know what happened to her child. like a big warning. don't ever mess those things up because all involved will be the shame of the world.

so that's way i keep searching for ways.
but who am i? what can i do?

aruban parliament won't do it. usa won't get involved in dutch / aruban judicial issues.
i've read some other american blogs and they think it's just a digusting media-hype.
and they are right! this joran-tape played over and over again made me sick after one day already.
so they look away, or try to make a really funny parody; and that's how they miss what's behind it: how corrupt aruba is.

boycot won't work. dutch will bail aruba out. and most dutch trade is intra-european.
i think hero brinkman is the only chance to get the word out in the dutch parliament at he moment.
because of his stance on aruba / antilles but also because of the jan van der straten-coincident

but i've got a few more scenario's in my head.

caesu - ramble away...

We have three justice systems working against us and Natalee and her family. Then throw in all the other interests. Columbia, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba... etc. It's an uphill battle. That's reason enough not to travel to Aruba.

As for all of the international judicial bodies you listed - we have all written to them before and are very familiar with the letter writing campaign.

I do agree there is some momentum, but we had momentum before only to have the corrupt Wit and Smid free the suspects. There's always tomorrow.

In the bizarro world of Aruba, nothing works like you might think it should or could. It's like the fifth dimension. Everyone dies of natural causes with one hand in their pocket at age 38. Totally normal.

In my opinion, someone needs to remove everyone in power and replace them with an intermittent government until a free election can be held.

caesu - the deeper you dig, the worse it looks. Everyday reveals a new scheme and the player involved.



i know too much at stake.
just one girl. don't want to start a war about it.
WWI started by an act of one man.
WWII also really, by a dutchie - reichstag fire - enabling act - dictatorship.
maybe it's already been decided not to fix this.
or the governments keep a special trick card in their pockets for in case they need it.

but now joran is free to go, that's something else to worry about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 07:41:51 PM
The myth that Paulus "knows too much" is annoying. That essentially immunizes almost every Dutch person working on that island. What's he going to do?

He and his family are liars, let him sing whatever he wants, just throw him in jail and let him tell his stories to the wall, nobody will care.

To me, this has more to do with what's left of Aruba's "image."

Their brand has been badly damaged and the truth about what a few people did, if it comes out now, will be fatal.

Frank ... I believe that Aruba never anticipated the media attention that Natalee's mother would dictate.

I think it all started out very simple ... Paulus covered up for the wrongdoing of Joran which had resulted in the unintentional death of Natalee Holloway.

Then it got more complicated.  As a favor to a collegue ... Dennis Jacobs, Jan vander Straaten and Karin Janssen as well as certain judges ... in the investigative process ... took measures to distance Paulus, Joran, the Kalpoes and the sons of the elite.

By the time that the "powers that be" in the Aruban investigation realized that the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen was not going to go away ... that Beth and Jug were forces to be reckoned with ... it was too late to turn back.

It was no longer just about Joran, the Kalpoes, the sons of the elite and Paulus' participation in the events of that fateful morning ... it was now about exposing those within the Aruban Law Enforcement, Prosecutor's Office, Aruban/Dutch Governments as well as the Judicary ... who were involved in or aware of the coverup.  It was about exposing Aruba's underground economy ... drugs, prostitution, gambling, money laundering ...

I suspect that the media attention which has been focused on the Natalee Holloway case is the saving grace that has spared the lives of Joran, Paulus, Deepak and Satish.  These four are Aruba's biggest liability.

Janet





Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 07:43:19 PM
Even though we knew this was going to happen I am sick......
There never was any thought given to re-arresting URINE......
I am sick to think about having to see Joe Taco running his mouth about URINE's
innocence......
I am sick to think of how Beth,Dave and the rest of Natalee's family have to feel about this......


I stand with the girl!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:43:41 PM
Someone over there in the Netehrlands needs to start up a riot in the streets and then they need to lynch that mother Fer


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: so.......back to square 1?? The Golden Boy always gets a free pass. Makes me sick...but I just felt this is what would be :( ... I will say more later...I am mad and sad and.....well, you all know :(


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:44:53 PM
Yes Janet, of course.

Wondering when the media will focus on this, Joran is a waste of time in solving this case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:45:55 PM


Jansen goes on vacation Joran walks

Mos goes on vacation Joran walks

Lynch all 3 of these corrupt assholes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:45:58 PM
Who's giving up?

I feel refreshed, if we could FOCUS ON THE ADULTS NOW?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 07:46:05 PM
Earlier you were discussing having an investigation of the investigation.

THAT WAS ALREADY DONE!!!

Remember?

I can't even remember when but quite a while ago.  A female from Curacao came over.  She was to spend time reviewing all of the documentation and to report on the investigation.

WHAT DID SHE FIND?  I don't remember ever hearing a report, do you?

This is all such bullshit.  A 5 year old could figure out there is pure corruption going on.  I can't believe they have the cojones to announce this.

We need to keep this thing alive while there is momentum.


Yes, we do and I for one intend to bombard every member of MSM that I can to try to keep this alive....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
It was about covering up crime on DSI which is what they have always done.  There is really no telling how many murders are perpetrated there each and every year and it was not until Beth & Jug went there that all lid was about to blow off the pressure cooker, which DSI still is, a pressure cooker about to erupt. It will come and all the DSE will be exposed.  The emperor and all his cronies will stand barren before the world, no planes will travel to and fro once this is exposed, the hotels will be boarded up, the golf courses will appear torched from lack of water, the man-made beaches will fall into disrepair and the fish will start dying, the stench will be worse than anyone has ever smelled.  It's coming.  It takes time. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:47:07 PM
Earlier you were discussing having an investigation of the investigation.

THAT WAS ALREADY DONE!!!

Remember?

I can't even remember when but quite a while ago.  A female from Curacao came over.  She was to spend time reviewing all of the documentation and to report on the investigation.

WHAT DID SHE FIND?  I don't remember ever hearing a report, do you?

This is all such bullshit.  A 5 year old could figure out there is pure corruption going on.  I can't believe they have the cojones to announce this.

We need to keep this thing alive while there is momentum.


Yes.....I remember. In fact, I posted something not long ago at BFN re: this...I will look for it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 07:49:15 PM
Earlier you were discussing having an investigation of the investigation.

THAT WAS ALREADY DONE!!!

Remember?

I can't even remember when but quite a while ago.  A female from Curacao came over.  She was to spend time reviewing all of the documentation and to report on the investigation.

WHAT DID SHE FIND?  I don't remember ever hearing a report, do you?

This is all such bullshit.  A 5 year old could figure out there is pure corruption going on.  I can't believe they have the cojones to announce this.

We need to keep this thing alive while there is momentum.

This is a report on the investigation of the investigators
from Amigoe Spring of 2006


ORANJESTAD – An investigation report on the efficiency of the Police Corps of Aruba (KPA) regarding integrity, states that the control on work procedure is poorly; promotional transfers take place, while there is a disciplinary investigation going; and there is no correct follow up after irregularities within the corps are signaled.

Forensic Services Caribbean in Curaçao did the investigation by order of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP). Amigoe learned this from documents that the paper received for perusal. The report was already given to the then chief of police Ronny Bernadina on April 3rd of this year. The investigation took place in 2005 and based on the findings, Forensic Services Caribbean advices to draw up a master plan to deal with the integrity risks. Based on conversations with some key-officials within the KPA and external partners of the corps, like the Security Service, the Public Prosecutor, and the Coastguard, they have mapped nine risks. They have also analyzed summaries of integrity rules violations within the corps. They first noticed that many rules regarding work procedures and work processes are established, but that these are not univocal and not conveniently arranged. The procedures differ per (police-, editor) district and are implemented or interpreted differently.” Besides, several regulations are not complete. Not everybody is familiar with the procedures, they are difficult of access, and several of the versions used are outdated. Several procedures are too complex and have therefore lost their powers. “They have become dead letters”, states the report. There is lack of control on the observance of the procedures in all sectors of the organization. This has to do with not having qualitatively good employees on managerial positions. Another reason is that there is lack of open culture, in which employees dare to talk to each other. In order to restrict this risk, the bureau advices to further specify the career policy and to organize trainings that would provoke a culture change within the police corps. A third risk that can cause the integrity of the corps to come into play is the lack of confidence when it comes to exchange information. Confidential information is leaked to third parties and nobody knows what to do with the information or that the information can be used against you. “This lack of confidence has consequences for the internal- and external communication”, states the report. It also forms a hindrance for working effectively and efficiently. Their advice is again a culture chance in order to create confidence.
~~~~~~~~~~~


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 07:49:45 PM
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/agr0002l.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 07:51:17 PM
i didn't expect this.
i know you guys did. but that shows how long you guys are on the case.
i don't know what's going to happen.
maybe they hope for a suicide or lynching.
he won't be able to go anywhere.
even if they show a million years of joran singin christmas carols on all tv networks.
everybody hates his guts.

do you think the news networks are going to call peter r. de vries now?

i hope the networks are noticing that balkenende is in aruba tomorrow.
to get a nice mugshot of him together with rudy croes.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 07:51:53 PM


i know too much at stake.
just one girl. don't want to start a war about it.
WWI started by an act of one man.
WWII also really, by a dutchie - reichstag fire - enabling act - dictatorship.
maybe it's already been decided not to fix this.
or the governments keep a special trick card in their pockets for in case they need it.

but now joran is free to go, that's something else to worry about.

you're right about a lot being at stake. There really is.
no one is going to havw a war over it, although some do want the Sloots dead. I'm not one of them. I just prefer suffering.

But the Dutch did not burn down the Reichtag . . .  the Nazi's did it themselves and blamed the Russian Communists. IIRC and I think I do.

Right . . joran is 10 clicks from you my friend. That is a worry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
Posted by Lazlo at RU with full translation by Lazlo:

Full translation:

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot not to be arrested again.
Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That is what his Dutch lawyer was told by the OM on Aruba.

The OM performed a new investigation after the show of Peter R. de Vries in which Van Der Sloot was filmed with a hidden camera. To an infiltrant he said that he was responsible for the disappearance of the American girl. Later he said he had made that up.

The OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest of Van der Sloot in the broadcasting and things that were stated afterwards.


http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html

My understand of the above is that Hans Mos withdrew his appeal of the judge's ruling of last week which deemed there was not sufficient evidence to again arrest Joran van der Sloot.  It appears that Hans Mos ... after reconsidering ... came to the same conclusion as the Judge.

I could be wrong but ... the implication is that the three judge panel were not involved in the latest decision.

I am done!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 07:53:31 PM
Van der Sloot not to be arrested again.
Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That is what his Dutch lawyer was told by the OM on Aruba.

The OM performed a new investigation after the show of Peter R. de Vries in which Van Der Sloot was filmed with a hidden camera. To an infiltrant he said that he was responsible for the disappearance of the American girl. Later he said he had made that up.

The OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest of Van der Sloot in the broadcasting and things that were stated afterwards.



So this Prosecutor Dop Kruimel making this statement before the judges have even ruled. WTF is that about?

Where the hell do they get these prosecutors? Have any of them had training beyond kindergarten? That makes three full-o-shit prosecutors in a row, one involved in the cover-up and two that lie their asses off.

Last we heard from Dop Kruimel she said she was sure the case would be solved. You know where we heard that before? From Karin Jannsen just before she ran her fat ass back to Holland.

This system is beyong laughable when they can't even take a confession from the main suspect and run with it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 07:53:56 PM
klaas,

Happy looking group aren't they?

That woman looks like she is thrilled to be there


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: vms on February 14, 2008, 07:53:56 PM
Would it be this one, Nut44x4? I know it was captioned Barcelona.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/33218734_542f2d5762.jpg?v=0)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 07:55:12 PM
Posted by Lazlo at RU with full translation by Lazlo:

Full translation:

15 Februari 2008 01:07

Van der Sloot niet opnieuw opgepakt
Joran van der Sloot wordt niet opnieuw opgepakt voor de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway op Aruba. Dat heeft de Nederlandse advocaat van Van der Sloot te horen gekregen van het OM op Aruba.

Het OM deed nieuw onderzoek na het programma van Peter R. de Vries waarin Van der Sloot werd gefilmd met een verborgen camera. Tegen een infiltrant zei hij dat hij voor de verdwijning van het Amerikaanse meisje verantwoordelijk was. Later noemde hij dat verzinsels.

Het OM ziet in de uitzending en de uitspraken daarna geen grond voor een nieuwe aanhouding van Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot not to be arrested again.
Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That is what his Dutch lawyer was told by the OM on Aruba.

The OM performed a new investigation after the show of Peter R. de Vries in which Van Der Sloot was filmed with a hidden camera. To an infiltrant he said that he was responsible for the disappearance of the American girl. Later he said he had made that up.

The OM does not see any grounds for a new arrest of Van der Sloot in the broadcasting and things that were stated afterwards.


http://www.nos.nl/nos/artikelen/2008/02/art000001C86F632DF5E142.html

My understand of the above is that Hans Mos withdrew his appeal of the judge's ruling of last week which deemed there was not sufficient evidence to again arrest Joran van der Sloot.  It appears that Hans Mos ... after reconsidering ... came to the same conclusion as the Judge.

I could be wrong but ... the implication is that the three judge panel were not involved in the latest decision.

I am done!!!

Janet


That is the way I read it too Janet.... and if this is so then I must say that I saw the writing on the wall with that last press release to MSM , as I am sure alot of others did...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 07:55:30 PM
Caesu,


This is not about a teenager!!!!

Do you think even Paulus cares about Joran? I don't.

It's about power and arrogance. What father stays quiet while his son runs from angry mobs.

I would be out in front of this, he's hiding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 07:55:43 PM
Earlier you were discussing having an investigation of the investigation.

THAT WAS ALREADY DONE!!!

Remember?

I can't even remember when but quite a while ago.  A female from Curacao came over.  She was to spend time reviewing all of the documentation and to report on the investigation.

WHAT DID SHE FIND?  I don't remember ever hearing a report, do you?

This is all such bullshit.  A 5 year old could figure out there is pure corruption going on.  I can't believe they have the cojones to announce this.

We need to keep this thing alive while there is momentum.


Yes, we do and I for one intend to bombard every member of MSM that I can to try to keep this alive....

I would think that the Holloways deserve a copy of that report! Where is it Aruba?  Did you lose it too?  What a bunch of crap.

We stand with the girl.  We stand for truth.  We stand for justice.

No justice - No tourism.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 07:57:10 PM
i didn't expect this.
i know you guys did. but that shows how long you guys are on the case.
i don't know what's going to happen.
maybe they hope for a suicide or lynching.
he won't be able to go anywhere.
even if they show a million years of joran singin christmas carols on all tv networks.
everybody hates his guts.

do you think the news networks are going to call peter r. de vries now?

i hope the networks are noticing that balkenende is in aruba tomorrow.
to get a nice mugshot of him together with rudy croes.



It hasn't hit the American news yet.  I'm sure if this is true it will be reported on the news programs later tonight.  By tomorrow it will be all over the news.  People will be outraged.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 07:58:18 PM
i didn't expect this.
i know you guys did. but that shows how long you guys are on the case.
i don't know what's going to happen.
maybe they hope for a suicide or lynching.
he won't be able to go anywhere.
even if they show a million years of joran singin christmas carols on all tv networks.
everybody hates his guts.

do you think the news networks are going to call peter r. de vries now?

i hope the networks are noticing that balkenende is in aruba tomorrow.
to get a nice mugshot of him together with rudy croes.



It hasn't hit the American news yet.  I'm sure if this is true it will be reported on the news programs later tonight.  By tomorrow it will be all over the news.  People will be outraged.


You think it would be too much to ask if Joe Taco would keep his greasy mouth shut... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: kimi1230 on February 14, 2008, 07:58:30 PM
To us my mothers famous expression....."They make my a$$ want to suck a lemon". :smt078 :smt078 :smt078 :smt098

I wish I could post more often on here.  Been a member since the beginning, got lost when the site had problems....and wonderful Klass just got me fixed back up!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 14, 2008, 07:59:30 PM
Would it be this one, Nut44x4? I know it was captioned Barcelona.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/33218734_542f2d5762.jpg?v=0)

Is that supposed to be Paulus' brother at the end of the table?  I have not seen that picture before.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 14, 2008, 08:01:33 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 08:02:08 PM

My understand of the above is that Hans Mos withdrew his appeal of the judge's ruling of last week which deemed there was not sufficient evidence to again arrest Joran van der Sloot.  It appears that Hans Mos ... after reconsidering ... came to the same conclusion as the Judge.

I could be wrong but ... the implication is that the three judge panel were not involved in the latest decision.

I am done!!!

Janet


I honest to God don't believe I have ever seen a more screwed up justice system in my life. At least you knew where Idi Amin stood. These pitiful people couln't beat their meat without getting a black eye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 08:02:49 PM
Would it be this one, Nut44x4? I know it was captioned Barcelona.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/33218734_542f2d5762.jpg?v=0)
Theres another pic with this set,where the guy has sun glasses. It was reported it was PVDS but it looks much more like marco to me..MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
Nope vms, not that one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 08:03:33 PM


i know too much at stake.
just one girl. don't want to start a war about it.
WWI started by an act of one man.
WWII also really, by a dutchie - reichstag fire - enabling act - dictatorship.
maybe it's already been decided not to fix this.
or the governments keep a special trick card in their pockets for in case they need it.

but now joran is free to go, that's something else to worry about.

you're right about a lot being at stake. There really is.
no one is going to havw a war over it, although some do want the Sloots dead. I'm not one of them. I just prefer suffering.

But the Dutch did not burn down the Reichtag . . .  the Nazi's did it themselves and blamed the Russian Communists. IIRC and I think I do.

Right . . joran is 10 clicks from you my friend. That is a worry.

yes dutchies are not that bad, they won't do that.  ::MonkeyWink::
all a set up course.

joran learned a lot from this.
he knows which errors he made.
i really don't know how things are going to turn out.
next week the parliament is on reces.
after that there is also an emergency debate about iraq.
so smart to announce those things on friday.
the knew it from day 1 - i mean right after the broadcast.
no even not that - it was never an option to arrest him.

i hope peter r. de vries can make a special broadcast sunday!
he is for sure going to write a column on it.
maybe he is going to play another card.
he is not going to have joran mess up his credibility.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
I find it interesting that Mos had his own infiltrator and so did Godfather Peter R and none of that info jived?

Mos actually got a re-detainment on his informant and information.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 08:05:00 PM
Would it be this one, Nut44x4? I know it was captioned Barcelona.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/33218734_542f2d5762.jpg?v=0)

Brother, Spain.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 08:05:15 PM
Nope vms, not that one.


Oops...posted to quick...it was the head shot one Rob posted 4 me on page 11. TY anyway...we have it now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 08:05:19 PM
It hasn't hit the American news yet.  I'm sure if this is true it will be reported on the news programs later tonight.  By tomorrow it will be all over the news.  People will be outraged.


I see supreme outrage and an anti-tourism backlash by Americans at the very least. I can't imagine why any sane Dutch person would want to go to Aruba. Or Brit. Or German. Etcetera.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 08:05:46 PM
To us my mothers famous expression....."They make my a$$ want to suck a lemon".
My grandma would have said "They make my a$$ wanta crochet barbed wire".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 08:06:02 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.
I am just as curious about the phone call that she spoke about trying to get one of the girls to go to a massage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
MF @ RU

The court said that Joran has lied several times and what he SAID CANNOT BE SUPPORTED WITH OTHER DATA.
So, it was the court decision, and the OM said that they do not exclude the possibility of him having a personality problem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 14, 2008, 08:07:51 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.
I am just as curious about the phone call that she spoke about trying to get one of the girls to go to a massage.

Yes, one named Rosemary....a woman's voice calling several times...and why all the talk about a toothbrush?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 08:07:59 PM
******* - I think this is the photo you are referring to.  I brightened it up a bit.  Looks like PVDS to me.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SlootHoliday.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 08:08:06 PM
Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 08:09:16 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 08:09:45 PM

My understand of the above is that Hans Mos withdrew his appeal of the judge's ruling of last week which deemed there was not sufficient evidence to again arrest Joran van der Sloot.  It appears that Hans Mos ... after reconsidering ... came to the same conclusion as the Judge.

I could be wrong but ... the implication is that the three judge panel were not involved in the latest decision.

I am done!!!

Janet


I honest to God don't believe I have ever seen a more screwed up justice system in my life. At least you knew where Idi Amin stood. These pitiful people couln't beat their meat without getting a black eye.

I see no evidence of a 'system'.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 08:11:13 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.

could be the mini bar man... they seem to have a habit of showing up at the worst times. They barely even knock and they're in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 08:11:35 PM
MF @ RU

The court said that Joran has lied several times and what he SAID CANNOT BE SUPPORTED WITH OTHER DATA.
So, it was the court decision, and the OM said that they do not exclude the possibility of him having a personality problem.


That is because they threw all the evidence, testimony etc that supports it AWAY!  They are an absolute JOKE.

I agree - we need to focus on exposing the corruption - Joran is dead man walking and will never have a decent life now.  I can live with that.  We need to focus on getting the ones that let this happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 08:11:46 PM
Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.

I agree.  Lets focus on the 'adults' and corruption!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 08:12:02 PM
******* - I think this is the photo you are referring to.  I brightened it up a bit.  Looks like PVDS to me.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SlootHoliday.jpg)

looks like the boys are just out getting stoned looking for some unsuspecting female tourist to gang rape.

bunch of sick bastards


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.

True and we are only talking about pre-trial detention.  So I'm hoping it does go to trial and more of the coverup is exposed by DeVries and others before then.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 14, 2008, 08:12:24 PM
Well I guess he just put the Kalpoe Brothers back in the fold.  If Joran lied then he DID NOT clear the Kalpoes.  Guess they need to turn over those documents to Dr. Phil now.  This trick did not work for them so good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 08:12:53 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.
I am just as curious about the phone call that she spoke about trying to get one of the girls to go to a massage.


Yes.....'Rose'??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 14, 2008, 08:12:58 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.

could be the mini bar man... they seem to have a habit of showing up at the worst times. They barely even knock and they're in.

If so...why run off around the corner


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 08:13:38 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes but the way it sounds, he's now the hunted in the NL and Aruba. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 08:14:31 PM


I see no evidence of a 'system'.
[/quote]

I see evidence of a need for some systematic housecleaning and a little ole fashioned Southern butt-whipping.  Personality disorder, my left hind foot!  What we have here is a seriously deranged group of psychotic somebodies.  I shudder to see what the younger boys do in years to come.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:14:47 PM
Let's vote on how long it takes Peter R. deVries to turn his "that's speculation" into substance.

What a shame that it takes a crime reporter to get the goods.   ::MonkeyNoNo::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 08:15:14 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."


This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 08:15:45 PM
I do feel bad for Sebastian  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ...I always have. He didn't ask for any of this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 08:16:11 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes but the way it sounds, he's now the hunted in the NL and Aruba. 
But still protected it seems :(

Klaas:Yes thats the pic..For some reason it just doesnt seem like PVDS to me,maybe because I have never seen him in sunglasses..Thanks though :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 08:17:06 PM
I'd still like to see Beth rip his face off...

ohh how


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 14, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

Yes but the way it sounds, he's now the hunted in the NL and Aruba. 

I kinda like him being a hunted man (I use that word very loosely).  His mouth kinda got him in a big mess. Can't go to school, can't come out of hiding, can't go home to Ma and Pa.  What a predicament he has gotten himself into.  Sorry but I still believe take it to trial when they have the goods on him to make it stick.  Sounds like they are thinking having him committed will clear this problem up.  I don't think so.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 08:17:31 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."


This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.


He sure does Beans! That is why he has that smug look on his face that I'd like to take hubby's filet knife to....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 08:17:39 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 08:18:26 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."


This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.

yep thats why it wont be long before he does it again


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 08:19:26 PM


I see no evidence of a 'system'.

I see evidence of a need for some systematic housecleaning and a little ole fashioned Southern butt-whipping.  Personality disorder, my left hind foot!  What we have here is a seriously deranged group of psychotic somebodies.  I shudder to see what the younger boys do in years to come.
[/quote]

You got that right neighbor!   Welcome!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 08:19:44 PM
i didn't expect this.
i know you guys did. but that shows how long you guys are on the case.
i don't know what's going to happen.
maybe they hope for a suicide or lynching.
he won't be able to go anywhere.
even if they show a million years of joran singin christmas carols on all tv networks.
everybody hates his guts.

do you think the news networks are going to call peter r. de vries now?

i hope the networks are noticing that balkenende is in aruba tomorrow.
to get a nice mugshot of him together with rudy croes.



It hasn't hit the American news yet.  I'm sure if this is true it will be reported on the news programs later tonight.  By tomorrow it will be all over the news.  People will be outraged.

it is true!

only it also said: he may have a personality disorder.
but that's no reason on it's own to arrest someone.

the news teams should fly to aruba.
confront those guys at there little balkenende-oduber meeting.


ask what they think.
joran is off the hook, so it is not in court so they can comment on it.

dutch cabinets most of the times give themselves a motto.
like a short buzzword to explain what there policy is about.

the previous was: respect
and before that: standards and values
and now it is: together living, together working

how can he explain this?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 08:20:35 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

WTF?

When did the OM become a shrink and what does that have to do with justice?  Psychopaths kill all the time and go to jail for it.

Wait til Nancy Grace hears about this!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 08:22:52 PM
A personality disorder??? He is psycho and he will kill again... he knows he can get away with it and he will do it again.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

So people with personality disorders aren't capable of committing a crime?

OCD, Bipolar, Antisocial....these people don't have breaks from reality.  They are very well aware of right and wrong. Why does a disorder excuse a criminal act? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 08:24:06 PM
A personality disorder??? He is psycho and he will kill again... he knows he can get away with it and he will do it again.....

Yes, but right now HE is the hunted, not the hunter


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 08:24:14 PM
I hope Peter de Vries will pick up this case where he left it


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 08:25:01 PM
A personality disorder??? He is psycho and he will kill again... he knows he can get away with it and he will do it again.....

Yes, but right now HE is the hunted, not the hunter


Well, I hope he is pissing in his pants, crying his ass off scared....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 14, 2008, 08:25:15 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

He does...he's a sociopath.  There is no corroborating evidence left any longer.  The OM, ALE, and everyone else has had plenty of time to make if go away.  There is no one that can prosecute this case even with a confession.  I wonder if DeVries has that slapped in the face feeling yet?  He now appears to have been stopped in his tracks....for the moment. 

So.....what about Paulus?  Did he actually dispose of the body by himself or did he get help?  Where did Natalee really die?  What about all those "other" people that were suspects?  I hear that bus again...this time Joran really is behind the wheel.  He is untouchable.  No surprise...I called it the first day. 

Shango you were wrong...there will be no scapegoat...yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 08:25:44 PM
So now that they have pretty much given Joran his license to kill again, I wonder who his next victim will be?  I will go out on a limb and say that she will look alot like Natalee and it will be withon the next 2 or 3 years.

All I can think of right now is Joran's own words:

"Even if they find my own sperm in her body - they have nothing on me."


This is how sure he is of getting away with murder.  This kid KNOWS that corruption is keeping him a free man.

yep thats why it wont be long before he does it again

Beth Holloway
Dana Pretzer Show
February 14, 2008


Answers are something we've been looking for, you're looking for your daughter, did you get the answers you're looking for

Beth: I did, when you were opening your show and justice comes in different forms and for me I have an answer, secondly I felt some justice and validation in my fight in that every step we took was well worth it .. everyone would like to see Joran behind bars and we feel strongly that he will strike again if he isn't in jail ... I think he surely will strike again and I think he will strike again, he's shown us all that he has no control over himself.

Transcript - Heli (RU)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blonde on February 14, 2008, 08:26:38 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

I have had this saved forever not sure if any o it is true.

Please note that Tilburg University is deeply involved in this case and should almost certainly be a point of origin with the Babylonian Elders. These brothers certainly are the reason that this case is stuck where it is. Particularly Marco.


PVDS has several brothers in Holland. They hold some very interesting positions...

1) Let's start with Marco van der Sloot. He holds the title of Coördinator van de commissie MKE (Mobiliteit, Kennis en Economie) of the The Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, VVD) and is an active member of the VVD, the 3rd largest political party in the Netherlands.

The VVD holds alot of power, bc the President of the Tweede Kamer(the House of Representatives of the Dutch Parliament) is a VVD big-wig, he is Mr F. W. (Frans) Weisglas, President of the House of Representatives. The head of the Tweede Kamer Economic Commission, Mr. P.H. Hofstra, is also a VVD big-wig, and Marco is rumored to be his favorite protoge, largely due to the success of Marco's pet project, the Kennisalliantie, which has generated quite a bit of money for the party.

Marco plays a key role in the Ministry of Economic Affairs for the VVD, particularly in developing the Kennisalliantie, a successful program focused on developing partnerships between the public and private sectors for economic development of various types of infrastructure projects in critical areas such as Energy, Transportation, Water, etc. He is a Civil Engineer by training, and you can access his CV on his website.

The links below will tell you all about Marco van der Sloot and his role in the VVD, from the spear-heading the Kennisalliantie program (The Knowledge Alliance of South-Holland), to winning a contract (money) for a water treatment plant in SURINAM, to being a member of the VVD's Delegation to Prince Alexander. He looks alot like his brother, PVDS. You can phone Marco if you wish at tel. 06 45470983.

BY THE WAY, their are a few other interesting names that pop up among the VVD parliment members, including Marcus Lens van Rijn (isn't that Lorenzo's last name?) and Ms. E.I. Schippers ( does the name Arlene Ellis-Schippers ring a bell?) Then there is Mr. Nico Janssens, another VVD bigshot parliment member....

http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/index.jsp
http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/meet_the_tweede_kamer/i ndex.jsp
http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/intranet/mod/smb/public_smb2.cfm
http://www.vvdzuidholland.nl/
http://www.vvdprinsalexander.nl/

http://www.vvdprinsalexander.nl/
http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/intranet/mod/smb/public_smb2.cfm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/PB_CWP_mke.doc
Marco van der Sloot
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/_private/CV-SLOOTNL2005.pdf
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/interest.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/MKEartikelnieuwsbrief2003beg roting.doc
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/PB_CWP_mke.doc
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/photo.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/provincie.htm
http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ItemCode=VVD&HomePage=True

http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/members_of_parliament/p resident_of_the_house/index.jsp

http://www.vvdzuidholland.nl/
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/overig/zoeken/zoekresultaten.jsp
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/index.jsp
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp

http://www.pzh.nl/
http://www.parlement.nl/
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/leden_commissies_fracties/commissi es/index.jsp

http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp

http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ParentItemID=0&ItemID=37&Select edItemID=296

http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ParentItemID=0&ItemID=37&Select edItemID=297

http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/wethouders/nicojanssens.htm

http://www.kennisalliantie.nl/
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/images/126_98984.doc
http://www.pzh.nl/overig/zoeken/zoekresultaten.jsp

http://www.kennisalliantie.nl/index.php?n0=1
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/kenn isalliantie/index.jsp


2) Brother #2 is Hans van der Sloot. Hans is a LANDFILL EXPERT!!! Another Civil Engineer by training, he is a senior researcher at the quasi-governmental enterprise, The Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands. He has authored numerous article on decomposition of organic and inorganic materials at dump sites, and is the Director of Project HORIZONTAL which started in December 2002 with the aim to develop horizontal and harmonised European standards in the field of sludge, soil, and treated biowaste. He is a world-renowned expert in waste treatment and landfill management. Ironic, huh? You can email Hans at: vandersloot@ecn.nl

and read all about his expertise in LANDFILLS by following these links.


http://www.ecn.nl/
http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/
http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot3.pdf
http://search.surfnet.nl/cgi-bin/qsearch.pl
http://www.ecn.nl/library/reports/2003/rx03034.html
http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2003/rx03034.pdf
http://www.ecn.nl/library/reports/2002/rx02061.html
http://www.ecn.nl/cgi-ecn/ecn/publauth.pl?author=Sloot,+H.A. +van+der&unit=SF&#9001;=NL

http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2002/rx02067.pdf

http://www.ecn.nl/cgi-ecn/ecn/publauth.pl?author=Sloot,+H.A. +van+der&unit=SF&#9001;=NL

http://www.ecn.nl/index.en.html

http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/
http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/news.php

http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot3.pdf
http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot21.pdf

http://www.ath.aegean.gr/srcosmos/generic_pinakas.aspx?pinak as=cited_refs&id=29157&alpharef=Van-Der-sloot%20HA

http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/test/pdfs/internl.pdf



3) Last but not least we have Ko. van der Sloot, a Scientific Programmer and professor of Faculty of Arts,
Language and Information Science at Tilburg University, aka, Paulus' Alma Mater. The quiet one, Ko sticks to writing boring technical manuals, teaching, and doing his research as a Scientific Programmer in IT Services Infrastructure & Development. He can be reached at Language and Information Science Department
Room L124
P.O. Box 90153
NL-5000 LE Tilburg, The Netherlands
Phone +31 13 466 3202
Fax +31 13 466 3189
E-mail: Ko.vanderSloot@uvt.nl

While he leads a rather inconspicuous life, Ko might soon come in handy for PVDS, since it is likely that the after PVDS buys son Joran's way out of jail, the only university in the world that will take the notorious Aruban teen will be daisysistah other than Tilburg University, where daddy PVDS went to school, and uncle Ko is a professor.

http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/university/
http://www.uvt.nl/webwijs/english/show.html?anr=155659


More on Marcos' Economic Development Program:

The Knowledge Alliance of South-Holland
The Lisbon strategy stated that by 2010 Europe should become "the most competitive and dynamic knowledge based economy in the world with sustainable economic growth, more and better jobs, and greater social cohesion".
In this context the "Kennisalliantie" (Knowledge Alliance) aims to increase knowledge intensive activities within the province of South Holland (Zuid-Holland) to help establish one of the leading, and most competitive regions within this international knowledge based economy.
Our main focus is to facilitate the process of creating an economy that is based on the provision of competitive high-value services, and the development of innovative products. It is not simply about pushing back the frontiers of knowledge; it is also about the more effective use and exploitation of all types of knowledge, in all forms of economic activity.
All the ingredients for the creation of a sustainable knowledge based economy are present in the region: numerous knowledge institutions (universities, international institutions, research institutes), superb infrastructure (Rotterdam Harbour, Schiphol Airport), and the presence of 30 multinational headquarters and thousands of small and medium-size enterprises (SMEs).
Thus, the Kennisalliantie brings together a network of government, private sector and knowledge institutions to create a sustainable and competitive knowledge-based economy in our region. The Kennisalliantie is a platform aimed at coordinating events and jointly taking knowledge-intensive business and innovation to a higher level. With all major players in the regional knowledge infrastructure united, success is within reach.
The Kennisalliantie focuses on four main projects:
Project 1: Knowledge to the Market
Project 2: SME Match (Small and Medium-size Enterprise-Match)
Project 3: IPTS (Information Point Techno Start-ups)
Project 4: Think Tank
Project 1: Knowledge to the Market
The purpose of this project was to set up clusters of government, private sector, and knowledge institutions within nine highly knowledge-intensive categories. These nine clusters are:
&#61607; Water & Delta Technology
&#61607; ICT & Telecom
&#61607; Aerospace & Composites
&#61607; Life Sciences
&#61607; Shipping, Trade, Transport & Logistics
&#61607; Sensor & Nanotechnology
&#61607; International Law
&#61607; Glasshouse Horticulture
&#61607; Process Industry
Key players within the cluster identify themes and projects in which the application of (new) technologies or the uses of existing technologies from other fields form the principle focus.
The Kennisalliantie nurtures the innovation process by organizing facilitating activities. It organizes workshops and meetings for targeted groups of technology experts and specialists from industries working in the field. These events result in the establishment of consortia consisting of the parties concerned for the purpose of conducting feasibility studies and/or pilot studies that will lead to the development and commercialization of new products and services.
Project 2: SME-Match (Small and Medium-size Enterprise Match)
In a competitive environment, innovation is a key driver of economic growth. While small and medium-size enterprises constitute the region’s largest body of employers, they often lack the time and capacity to realize their innovative goals.
The objective of SME Match is to create the opportunity for SMEs to employ highly qualified students who can facilitate in realizing those innovative goals.
The internships run from three to five months. Only students in their final year at higher educational levels are eligible. A limited budget is available to enable participating companies to accumulate external knowledge where needed.
Project 3: IPTS (Techno Start-up Information Point)
Starting entrepreneurs quite often need a lot of information and support to start up or consolidate their businesses. A wide range of such services, including housing, research facilities, coaching, business planning and funding is available from a number of support organizations.
It is essential to be able to find the right services for any given type of business. The Kennisalliantie has created a portal that includes a digital map of all related services available in Zuid-Holland. The purpose of this online guiding system is to help Techno start-ups match the most suitable services to their specific needs.
The power of the IPTS is that it helps Techno Start-ups reduce the time, cost and energy invested in searching for the most appropriate services.
Project 4: Think Tank
A Think Tank has also been set up for the purpose of developing a vision and strategy for the creation of an innovative regional economy. National and international experts contribute to the development of this regional vision - not only by making use of analyses and up-to-date research methods, but also by conducting studies of the available literature and interviews with local experts. The results of the first (out of five) research project are currently being processed.


and Hans' Landfill Project:

Project HORIZONTAL started in December 2002 with the aim to develop horizontal and harmonised European standards in the field of sludge, soil, and treated biowaste to facilitate the regulation of these major streams in the multiple decisions related to different uses and disposal governed by EU Directives. The work started with desk studies on all topics relevant in the project to evaluate the feasibility of the development of a horizontal standard or horizontal standards for sampling, biological parameters, hygienic parameters, organic parameters, inorganic parameters, mechanical properties and leaching in the fields of sludge, soil and treated biowaste.

_________________


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 08:26:59 PM
MF @ RU

The court said that Joran has lied several times and what he SAID CANNOT BE SUPPORTED WITH OTHER DATA.
So, it was the court decision, and the OM said that they do not exclude the possibility of him having a personality problem.



That's about as limp-wristed an excuse as I've ever heard before. So all you have to do to get off in the Dutch system is lie? What are these shitheads afraid of?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 08:28:25 PM
Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.

the momentum is still there.
hype is ignited.
i hope peter r. has thought about this.
i am sure he will be tomorrow on news / talk show.
aruba is 5 hours behind. he could drop a bombshell while balkenende is still in aruba.
i know i am wishcasting. but i think it is really dangerous.
joran might want to proof something to himself after this media-hype.
what does such a media-hype do to someone with a personality disorder like he has!?
i really don't know.

are are WE mad and he is a sweet little guy. OMG.
just look at his behaviour.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 14, 2008, 08:28:52 PM
caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.


Very well said, Rob, but remember his jail sentance was only for one day.  He and the other corrupt officials, are now rightly facing their due day in Federal Court with the wonderful lawsuits filed by the wronged players and the wrongly fired coach.  It will get very interesting soon and in the future in Durham!  Now, if only the Justice Department will weigh in later, it will be truly sweet.

Mike Nifong and his other crafty co-horts would be right at home in Aruba! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 08:30:22 PM
2 confessions on video tape and they still cannot do shit to these punks.

this is unbelievable

they are no longer suspects and are free no matter what they do or say.

It is over for them, this thing is over.

The Persistance could find Natalee in a crab trap with Jorans shoes in it and a video of the 4 of them rpaing and killing her and they still wouldnt prosecute.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 08:30:35 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

no offense imnoangel... but everyone here has been saying that for almost three years and it didn't make a difference. Now it keeps him outta jail. The exact thing we felt should put him in jail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 14, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
Peter R. DeVries said on Dana's show last night that he thought
Joran would be taken to trial. Maybe he will be tried.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 08:31:06 PM

My understand of the above is that Hans Mos withdrew his appeal of the judge's ruling of last week which deemed there was not sufficient evidence to again arrest Joran van der Sloot.  It appears that Hans Mos ... after reconsidering ... came to the same conclusion as the Judge.

I could be wrong but ... the implication is that the three judge panel were not involved in the latest decision.

I am done!!!

Janet


I honest to God don't believe I have ever seen a more screwed up justice system in my life. At least you knew where Idi Amin stood. These pitiful people couln't beat their meat without getting a black eye.

I see no evidence of a 'system'.

how did it get to this.
i think a lot of people will be turning to PVV.
i mean if they don't see that corrupt gangsters' nest


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:31:10 PM
I want to know how a "reporter" gets a published letter clearing her suspect status created by two psychics.

I want to know who is behind Hit94.1 that let's psychics talk trash.

I don't mind a crazy family having powerful friends but it crosses the line when the Ministers take up the cause and pay for or promote propaganda.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 08:31:17 PM

I honest to God don't believe I have ever seen a more screwed up justice system in my life. At least you knew where Idi Amin stood. These pitiful people couln't beat their meat without getting a black eye.

I see no evidence of a 'system'.


I see none either. If you get a free pass because you have a personality disorder then kill all you want, confess all you want, nothing will happen to you in their system.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 08:33:15 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

no offense imnoangel... but everyone here has been saying that for almost three years and it didn't make a difference. Now it keeps him outta jail. The exact thing we felt should put him in jail.


I thought all murderers had personality disorders. Am I missing something?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 08:34:06 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

no offense imnoangel... but everyone here has been saying that for almost three years and it didn't make a difference. Now it keeps him outta jail. The exact thing we felt should put him in jail.


I thought all murderers had personality disorders. Am I missing something?

well come on now, you know thats no reason to arrest them


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: littletxlady on February 14, 2008, 08:34:38 PM

I honest to God don't believe I have ever seen a more screwed up justice system in my life. At least you knew where Idi Amin stood. These pitiful people couln't beat their meat without getting a black eye.

I see no evidence of a 'system'.


I see none either. If you get a free pass because you have a personality disorder then kill all you want, confess all you want, nothing will happen to you in their system.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Shell on February 14, 2008, 08:35:19 PM
MF @ RU

The court said that Joran has lied several times and what he SAID CANNOT BE SUPPORTED WITH OTHER DATA.
So, it was the court decision, and the OM said that they do not exclude the possibility of him having a personality problem.


"That is because they threw all the evidence, testimony etc that supports it AWAY!  They are an absolute JOKE.

I agree - we need to focus on exposing the corruption - Joran is dead man walking and will never have a decent life now.  I can live with that.  We need to focus on getting the ones that let this happen.

"Joran is dead man walking"-I like the sound of that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 08:35:38 PM
caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.


Very well said, Rob, but remember his jail sentance was only for one day.  He and the other corrupt officials, are now rightly facing their due day in Federal Court with the wonderful lawsuits filed by the wronged players and the wrongly fired coach.  It will get very interesting soon and in the future in Durham!  Now, if only the Justice Department will weigh in later, it will be truly sweet.

Mike Nifong and his other crafty co-horts would be right at home in Aruba! 

Ono, one day is better than none and he tasted the inside of a cell. And he's being sued for like 180 million dollars. IIRC...The punishment wasn't jail because he was white collar . . . it will be monetary. And that's better - no golden parachute for a criminal.

Pension --->>> Duke Players.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 14, 2008, 08:37:19 PM
HAPPY VALENTINES MONKEYS!!

Off to a catered Valentine dinner and program at our Church.

Janet
5:30 PM

+++++++++

The Greatest Love Story

John 3:16-17

For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.  God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 14, 2008, 08:37:46 PM
Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.

True and we are only talking about pre-trial detention.  So I'm hoping it does go to trial and more of the coverup is exposed by DeVries and others before then.

I agree Klaas, I see no more reason to put him in jail, and have him refuse to talk.  Let's wait until they arrest and charge him with murder. 

Are we seeing this new information from official announcements, or is this the rumor mill 'releasing' this information??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:38:21 PM
The psycho had the same disorder in 2005 and it didn't keep him out of jail then.

I believe he had the same disorder when he was arrested "so stoned" the last time in 2007.

Is Mos saying this is a NEW revelation??   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 08:38:39 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

WTF?

When did the OM become a shrink and what does that have to do with justice?  Psychopaths kill all the time and go to jail for it.

Wait til Nancy Grace hears about this!   ::MonkeyConfused::


U.S. media will have a field day with this. Joran's ass would have been hung a long time ago in the U.S. and the corrupt prosecutor, cops, and judges with him in prison. For one thing people here would not have stood for the corruption. They would have been rooted out in a heartbeat. Americans love to string up their corrupt ones.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 08:39:03 PM
i lock the doors bye bye


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 14, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
well it's pretty clear that if we're trying to figure this out without luck, the judges will deliver a stinkbomb, incomprehensible piece of bs tomorrow.

It smells bad. It's true that this "confession" being such a bombshell, and to those following the case, really, is nothing but a red herring.

Not to say it hasn't done wonders for bringing pressure on the corrupt Aruba.

They're patter is to get more outrageous when the microscope is on.

I just can't see them bringing Joran back ever again.

Frank: 
You would have enjoyed Mark Fuhrman this afternoon on John Gibson- I thought about you when I saw it!  He was totally fired up....if you get a chance to catch a video of today's broadcast, try to watch.  [ John Gibson is doing a great job of following this case. ]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 08:39:21 PM
O/T.....OJ Simpsons girlfriend in intensive care with head injuries... OJ under investigation....he says she fell in gas station.....she is reported to have bruises on her head,legs .arms,and buttocks....she reportedly has bleeding of her brain and may require surgery

Just like OJ URINE will strike again


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 08:43:28 PM
i have just emailed Peter de Vries and asked him to pick this case up again where the OM left it. :gaah:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:43:29 PM
i lock the doors bye bye

Stay safe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 08:44:01 PM
O/T.....OJ Simpsons girlfriend in intensive care with head injuries... OJ under investigation....he says she fell in gas station.....she is reported to have bruises on her head,legs .arms,and buttocks....she reportedly has bleeding of her brain and may require surgery

Just like OJ URINE will strike again


Did you listen to that video that was posted earlier tonite?  Where the girls are calling Joran shit and they say he is the OJ of the Netherlands?  Good timing OJ.  Maybe it'll send a message.  Yeah those gas stations are dangerous places.  Just ask Britney S.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 08:45:14 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

no offense imnoangel... but everyone here has been saying that for almost three years and it didn't make a difference. Now it keeps him outta jail. The exact thing we felt should put him in jail.


I thought all murderers had personality disorders. Am I missing something?

no Bro Bro.. you got it just right..

And Buckeye - why would a schlock artist reporter need a freedom from prosecution letter?

I hear that!!! how did she get so deep? and where does her dirt lead.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 14, 2008, 08:45:25 PM
O/T.....OJ Simpsons girlfriend in intensive care with head injuries... OJ under investigation....he says she fell in gas station.....she is reported to have bruises on her head,legs .arms,and buttocks....she reportedly has bleeding of her brain and may require surgery

Just like OJ URINE will strike again


Did you listen to that video that was posted earlier tonite?  Where the girls are calling Joran shit and they say he is the OJ of the Netherlands?  Good timing OJ.  Maybe it'll send a message.  Yeah those gas stations are dangerous places.  Just ask Britney S.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Yeah Beans.... my 16 yr. old LHAO....Funny how the timing goes......


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Post by: AZSunny on February 14, 2008, 08:45:43 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

Hell,  we could have told them that 2 1/2 years ago!  UFB  Are they preparing us for the mentally ill incarceration that Van der straaten offered  2 1/2 years ago??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 08:46:23 PM
i have just emailed Peter de Vries and asked him to pick this case up again where the OM left it. :gaah:

Thanks!


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Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 08:46:39 PM
i lock the doors bye bye

Stay safe.

Yes, we appreciate our Dutch monkeys and want you safe!


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Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 08:47:13 PM
At least OJ left the bodies where they could be found


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Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 08:48:55 PM
Rob, i know you all have said that. i have read that.
still it is frustrating.


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Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 08:50:06 PM
At least OJ left the bodies where they could be found
And they made a honest attempt at putting him away forever. In Aruba the Judges,Defense,Prosecution,Govt and Minsitry of Defense all worked together to make sure he never goes to prison.

Whats next? They relocate him to spain or portugal?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:50:08 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

no offense imnoangel... but everyone here has been saying that for almost three years and it didn't make a difference. Now it keeps him outta jail. The exact thing we felt should put him in jail.


I thought all murderers had personality disorders. Am I missing something?

no Bro Bro.. you got it just right..

And Buckeye - why would a schlock artist reporter need a freedom from prosecution letter?

I hear that!!! how did she get so deep? and where does her dirt lead.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

I believe the US students, that are taking on the case, should expand it to control of a population by control of media interests and outcomes in today's world.  They could utilize multidisciplinary departments for the research.  Then expand into of shore investments and influence of expats.


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Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 08:51:16 PM
You know, monkeys (beware: i feel peptalk coming up!), i still do believe that if peter de vries says: he will stand trial, that he wil.
and i m holding on to that.


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Post by: blah on February 14, 2008, 08:51:49 PM
i lock the doors bye bye

if you see that waterhead out walking the streets, put two right between his eyes before he gets a chance to kill again!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
*******, yes, they might give him a new identity and relocate him in spain.
joran, beware, i know people in spain!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 08:54:10 PM
You know, monkeys (beware: i feel peptalk coming up!), i still do believe that if peter de vries says: he will stand trial, that he wil.
and i m holding on to that.

I agree, the momentum to expose the coverup cannot be stopped now. The world knows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:56:35 PM
You know, monkeys (beware: i feel peptalk coming up!), i still do believe that if peter de vries says: he will stand trial, that he wil.
and i m holding on to that.

Oh dear, imnoangel, I fear you and Peter could have a touch of American blood, in your veins.  It takes a bit to understand The island program.  If it is honorable and intelligent, it is not part of the program.

You would think the seven million in Holland and the thirteen million in the US and those in Aruba (3-4) that heard the tape wouldn't have gotten it wrong....but...it's been like this since day one. 


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Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 08:56:45 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2600.msg349427#msg349427

maybe keep this information on top.
i even more think he can speak out now.

more people will see he was right about the corrupt gangster' nest.
if he realizes americans and canadians are trying to fix the dutch justice system.

i think he can make a pretty good speech in parliament and let al the ministers sweat.

i am sure there will be a debate now.
the country is outraged!

we don't want a free range mental rapist murderers horror park all over the country.
i don't


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 08:59:20 PM
You know, monkeys (beware: i feel peptalk coming up!), i still do believe that if peter de vries says: he will stand trial, that he wil.
and i m holding on to that.

Imno, I hear you.  I appologize for not welcoming you and our other Dutch brothers and sisters.  I am proud to stand with you. 

You have chosen to believe in a man who has integrity, spirit, and a love for his newly found brothers and sisters in the US.  He too is an Eagle.

Eagles don't flock.  You have to find them one at a time.




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Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 08:59:47 PM
He can probably be located by the tank out front.


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Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 09:01:29 PM
Elaine S Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:19 am  AT RU 

Being here on island for the last two weeks, I can honestly tell you that whether or not Joran is tried in a court of law or not, he has already been tried in the court of public opinion by the locals. They do not want him to come back here, and the operative words they've used in describing him is a "bad punk."

I've had the opportunity to speak to lots of locals, and haven't had to read what's happening here on island second or third hand.

Anyone who thinks that people here are looking the other way, or think that those here feel Joran isn't involved in some fashion are only kidding themselves. Where the talk before was only that of Beth, it's now only that of Joran.. It is what it is. 
~~~~~~~~~~~
Paul is talked about in whispers... but nothing definitive. It's kinda like the "Dutch kid's father is protecting him and always has."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I still have another two weeks here, and am quite anxious to see what's going to happen.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I spend mostly all my evenings with my Aruban friends so I do hear a lot.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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Post by: kimi1230 on February 14, 2008, 09:01:49 PM
To us my mothers famous expression....."They make my a$$ want to suck a lemon".
My grandma would have said "They make my a$$ wanta crochet barbed wire".
Good one SGG!


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Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 09:02:20 PM
Ya know, they could take their little corruptville and shove it up - divide it between father and son's areas "where the sun don't shine", for all I care, if they'd just let Natalee come home....why can't they just leave a message - where is she?  Surely, they can't continue to get their kicks out of keeping her whereabouts a secret forever, can they?  After all this time, it's all we still want.  


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Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:04:25 PM
Klaasend, i like your positive attitude very much.
it helps to stay focussed.

buckeye,
i am sure peter de vries has his heart in the right place and he is an upright, honest man who stands for what he believes in.
he won't let us down if he can prevent it.
i like those people, there should be more of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:05:07 PM
Maybe we should email Dr. Phil.  Encourage him to get every disclosure document requested and never settle.  Go to court.  Get testimony.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:05:49 PM
To us my mothers famous expression....."They make my a$$ want to suck a lemon".
My grandma would have said "They make my a$$ wanta crochet barbed wire".

How are you doing?  I have seen you lurking and thought you would post.  How have you been?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:06:20 PM
Klaasend, i like your positive attitude very much.
it helps to stay focussed.

buckeye,
i am sure peter de vries has his heart in the right place and he is an upright, honest man who stands for what he believes in.
he won't let us down if he can prevent it.
i like those people, there should be more of them.

true.......and.........he is easy on the eyes........  ::MonkeyWink::


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Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 09:06:51 PM
i lock the doors bye bye

if you see that waterhead out walking the streets, put two right between his eyes before he gets a chance to kill again!

This just in today in Holland:

http://www.youtube.com/v/5TXEh6ihYbA&rel=1&border=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:07:37 PM
Anna like Godfather Peter R very very much... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
  Go to court.  Get testimony.

Aren't they still allowed to lie when they give testimony?  Tying it all up in court will just cost more time and money....I thought just was supposed to be swift.  What's happening to my belief system?  It's all crumbling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:09:00 PM
Anna likes Godfather Peter R very very much... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I always seem to bust the 'S' key.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 09:09:22 PM
Tyler - I'm good, thanks for asking...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 09:10:22 PM
Klaasend, i like your positive attitude very much.
it helps to stay focussed.

buckeye,
i am sure peter de vries has his heart in the right place and he is an upright, honest man who stands for what he believes in.
he won't let us down if he can prevent it.
i like those people, there should be more of them.
I agree about Peter R and I love him but he is just one man who is just a crime reporter. Just like before it was one family vs the Aruban Govt. The Aruban Govt spent millions attacking and lying about this family and they supply the Van Der Sloots with lawyers in 3 countries and only god knows what else. They have very deep pockets to make sure the truth is never revealed.  The American Govt does nothing so it will be up to the Dutch Govt to make the first honest attempt at solving this case and getting justice.


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Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:10:31 PM
  Go to court.  Get testimony.

Aren't they still allowed to lie when they give testimony?  Tying it all up in court will just cost more time and money....I thought just was supposed to be swift.  What's happening to my belief system?  It's all crumbling.

I was talking about K2, in California.  No lying in the USA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 09:10:43 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  errr, that would have been swift justice in my previous post, lol.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:10:45 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.
I am just as curious about the phone call that she spoke about trying to get one of the girls to go to a massage.

Yes, that was very bizarre.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 09:10:50 PM
I think that de Vries should Come To Aruba and Show the Dutch and The world how wrong they can be...



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Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
whahahaha peter has his own fanclub amongst the monkeys....
he s not my type but i would nt spit on him either...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

ala_gunslinger, thank you for your welcome, i appreciate that


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:13:30 PM
I find it amazing just how far Aruba is willing to fall.

Here was the perfect opportunity to end it all and Aruba said no.

So, it goes on and the boycott will probably get much worse for them. They just lost a good bit of the two - three week travelers from Holland.

This isn't about a 17 year old.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:15:08 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.
I am just as curious about the phone call that she spoke about trying to get one of the girls to go to a massage.

Yes, that was very bizarre.

And, I would like to know what locals were around, Saturday night, before Natalee was helped to her room. Did any other girls need assistance?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 09:18:07 PM
whahahaha peter has his own fanclub amongst the monkeys....
he s not my type but i would nt spit on him either...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

ala_gunslinger, thank you for your welcome, i appreciate that

You are most welcome!

Now, let's choose up sides, and go kick some corrupt ass!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:18:34 PM
someone could have anonymously told where her body is, so that she could be brought home.
has nothing to do with joran, just being human. but noone even did that.
it would not diminish the call for justice, but it would be more human then silence.
wrong words, i know but i hope you understand what i am trying to say


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 14, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
Hi everyone, hate to enter the cage to this new, albeit unsurprising, news.

Buckeye, thank you for that link in answer to my question about Anita Hugen and Facebook.  It was an interesting to reread, but I didn't find anything there regarding Anita.   Either it's not there or I've lost my mind  ::MonkeyConfused::.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 14, 2008, 09:20:07 PM
caesu- one more point.

As a monk that has been here since day one. I think I need to tell you that SM takes an equal opportunity to reveal the corrupt.

In the Duke Rape Case, SM continued to expose the corruption and had too many FP articles for me to digg out and link. Trust me, they are here.

In that case Mike Nifong charged 3 men with rape and a host of other charges. You may not know, but Nifong was disbarred, sued and imprisoned. There were no crying eyes for Mike Nifong on this site. That's what we expect. We expect our officials to be on the up and up and when they are not - we expect them to be taken down and thrown in prison.

The main difference here - Nifong went after the Duke lacrosse players after Natalee disappeared. He's paying his debt to society. He was charged, defended, convicted, and is now paying his debt. When his debt is payed, he should be welcomed back into society. That's the way it should work. (in my opinion)

To date no one in Natalee's case has faced any kind of music. I'm still waiting for it to be on the bill.


Very well said, Rob, but remember his jail sentance was only for one day.  He and the other corrupt officials, are now rightly facing their due day in Federal Court with the wonderful lawsuits filed by the wronged players and the wrongly fired coach.  It will get very interesting soon and in the future in Durham!  Now, if only the Justice Department will weigh in later, it will be truly sweet.

Mike Nifong and his other crafty co-horts would be right at home in Aruba! 

Ono, one day is better than none and he tasted the inside of a cell. And he's being sued for like 180 million dollars. IIRC...The punishment wasn't jail because he was white collar . . . it will be monetary. And that's better - no golden parachute for a criminal.

Pension --->>> Duke Players.

Sorry I got off topic...but pension untouchable.  See these two great sites:

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/    & http://www.liestoppers.blogspot.com/

Nifong also filed bankruptcy......  check it out when you can. Lots of corruption there in Durham.  It will get more interesting. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:20:14 PM
Is it possible for The Dutch to get the actual ruling signed by the judges so we don't just have to read the OM interpretation?  I want to see the ruling and see the judges names.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:20:54 PM
ow sorry i see thats just been posted by someone else


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 09:21:18 PM
Imnoangel - you said it perfectly!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:21:28 PM
Hi everyone, hate to enter the cage to this new, albeit unsurprising, news.

Buckeye, thank you for that link in answer to my question about Anita Hugen and Facebook.  It was an interesting to reread, but I didn't find anything there regarding Anita.   Either it's not there or I've lost my mind  ::MonkeyConfused::.   

Don't think it was me.  I didn't find anything at that link, but I didn't post it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 09:23:13 PM
Once again, I will ask our Dutch brothers and sisters. 

Does Dutch law have a provision for Marshal Rule?

Marshal Rule - has only been used once in the history of the US.  It was in Alabama, Phoenix City.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
buckeye, i would nt know where to get the ruling. and i dont think they would release it to the public anyway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 09:24:33 PM
someone could have anonymously told where her body is, so that she could be brought home.
has nothing to do with joran, just being human. but noone even did that.
it would not diminish the call for justice, but it would be more human then silence.
wrong words, i know but i hope you understand what i am trying to say


I understood you perfectly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:25:22 PM
please explain the marshall rule?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Debra on February 14, 2008, 09:26:10 PM
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/devries.jpg)
The "WTF" Look

IMO...It ain't over....
Joran is probably trying to work out a deal via "drug abuse/insanity"
...Admit to a lesser charge.

Seems to me, it goes way beyond Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 14, 2008, 09:27:35 PM
someone could have anonymously told where her body is, so that she could be brought home.
has nothing to do with joran, just being human. but noone even did that.
it would not diminish the call for justice, but it would be more human then silence.
wrong words, i know but i hope you understand what i am trying to say


I understood you perfectly.


I understood too, but they can't...because there is evidence with her. If it were just her bones, they could...they can't.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 14, 2008, 09:28:13 PM
Anna like Godfather Peter R very very much... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anna is not alone! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: yuknomenot on February 14, 2008, 09:29:06 PM
Hi everyone, hate to enter the cage to this new, albeit unsurprising, news.

Buckeye, thank you for that link in answer to my question about Anita Hugen and Facebook.  It was an interesting to reread, but I didn't find anything there regarding Anita.   Either it's not there or I've lost my mind  ::MonkeyConfused::.   

Don't think it was me.  I didn't find anything at that link, but I didn't post it.

Looks like I really did lose my mind *L*, sorry for the confusion (and my poor memory).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 14, 2008, 09:30:22 PM
I think that de Vries should Come To Aruba and Show the Dutch and The world how wrong they can be...


Capslock...are you living in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:30:52 PM
ala_gunslinger, if you can explain to me what the marshall rule is, maybe i can answer your question


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 14, 2008, 09:31:27 PM
whahahaha peter has his own fanclub amongst the monkeys....
he s not my type but i would nt spit on him either...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

ala_gunslinger, thank you for your welcome, i appreciate that

Count me in on that fan club--Very easy on the eyes. Smart to boot also. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 14, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
caesu, i respect the efforts you make, but i do believe you are blowing things up way out of proportion. i also noticed that you make it seem as if all politicians are in this, but i am positive that is not true at all.
The fact is that this case does have full media attention at times, but the politicians didnt give it much of attention as to yet.
is this attention needed? i agree with you it does.
do i see a complot with our arliament involved? no, not as yet.
there s a difference in things hat happen on the island and dutch politics in general.
and i think it does no good to the cause if you make everyone look corrupt.


ik ben aan het teruglezen. dus toen wist je nog niet dat hij niet gearresteerd zou worden.
maar ik begrijp je heel goed hoor.
ik weet zeker dat het de tweede kamer niet corrupt is. het kabinet ook niet.
balkenede heeft ook kinderen. gewoon een normaal gezin waarschijnlijk.
ik denk dat misschien meer twee of één persoon weet wat er precies met natalee gebeurd is.
maar op aruba houden een paar mensen de handen boven elkaars hoofd.
op het OM weten ze ook niet wat er gebeurd is denk ik.
maar het zou wel een schandaal zijn als uitkomt dat er veel fout is gegaan bij het onderzoek.
dan moet de minister van justitie opstappen heeft ie ook geen zin in.
en zo gaat het verder naar boven.
en nu als de nederlandse tweede kamer niet gaat zeggen de komende weken dat er daar eens goed opgeruimt en uitgezocht moet worden dan neem ik ze dat wel kwalijk.
ik bedoel een groot gedeelte van nederland vindt dat wel dat dit zo eigenlijk niet kan.
maar ik hoop dat het zover niet komt. maar dat peter r. de vries hier rekening meer heeft gehouden.
ik bedoel, hij wist ook wel dat er geen bewijzen waren die joran's verhaal ondersteunen - maar hij dacht misschien dat het OM wel de lossen eindjes aan elkaar zou knopen.
ik hoop dat hij morgen of anders zondag nog met iets voor de dag komt...
anders ben ik bang dat de PVV groot gaat scoren. ik moet de partij ook niet hebben.
maar als de tweede kamer niet de vastberadenheid toont om dit op te lossen dan is het hun eigen schuld en strijkt de PVV met de overwinning...
dat ik het telkens over de PVV heb ik eigenlijk bedoeld zodat de PVV er over begint en de rest van de kamer zich er bij aansluit omdat ze inzien dat de PVV in dit punt toch gelijk had.
neem bijvoorbeeld dat burqa verbod, was eerst ook een PVV punt geloof ik - heeft balkenende ook overgenomen.
ik ben behoorlijk kapot van deze hele situatie eigenlijk. echt niet normaal...
maar ik probeer te bedenken hoe nederland hier uit gaat komen.
ik hoop dat je dit leest.
ik probeer scenario's uit te denken maar dat wil niet zeggen dat ik denk dat dat ook gaat gebeuren.
nogmaals, ik hoop dat peter r. met iets komt... echt...

groetjes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:33:30 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.

could be the mini bar man... they seem to have a habit of showing up at the worst times. They barely even knock and they're in.
::MonkeyEek:: WTF ::MonkeyEek::


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Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 09:33:33 PM



Joran will get what he has earned,
in a lesson he will finally have learned.
The Aruban bosses in crime
Will eliminate him personally this time

A bullet to his temple,
Sweet Justice plain and simple.

Will I weep tears, and wail loudly, and cry?
I'd like to say yes but I just can't lie.

Oh Sweet Aruba how you make me want to rock and roll
While waiting to see your island drop into that big black hole

Do Daa Do Daa Give me That Old Black Magic
Do Daa Do Daa There's Julia sucking more ??????????????

Do Daa Do Daa Are those titties or udders
Do Daa Do Daa Anita's so damn ugly I shutter

Do Daa Do Daa Paulus is bending over again
Do Daa Do Daa Letting Joran fock him again

Do Daa Do Daa Rudy is bending over as well
Do Daa Do Daa As Paulus focks him over as well.


And the beat goes on, And the beat goes on.

Anyone want to contribute just jump right in there with there on verse.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 09:33:41 PM
please explain the marshall rule?

In the US, if local law enforcement needs assistance with enforcing the peace, our armed forces will assist the local law enforcment.  This is known as marshal LAW.  Should it be declared the the local law enforement is corrupt, our military will establish martial rule. Im other words, the military becomes government, law enforcement, etc.

If you need further clarification, check out 'Jericho' on CBS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:35:13 PM
I do feel bad for Sebastian  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ...I always have. He didn't ask for any of this.
  Is that Poppin' Fresh?  There is a Sebastian vanderSloot at one of the universities.  Maybe Poppin' was named for him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:36:21 PM
What does everyone make of the 2nd FBI statement by Katherine "Madison" Whatley?

the one about the girls taking a nap in the room and someone in a dark uniform trying to open the sliding glass door.

could be the mini bar man... they seem to have a habit of showing up at the worst times. They barely even knock and they're in.
::MonkeyEek:: WTF ::MonkeyEek::

true ty true


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

So people with personality disorders aren't capable of committing a crime?

OCD, Bipolar, Antisocial....these people don't have breaks from reality.  They are very well aware of right and wrong. Why does a disorder excuse a criminal act? 
You have been told a hundred times by Arleen, "we don't understand their system."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 09:38:07 PM
ala_gunslinger, if you can explain to me what the marshall rule is, maybe i can answer your question

In the United States, our armed forces may be activated to assist local law enforcement in keeping the peace.  This is known as marshal law.  If it is suspected that local law enforcement/government is corrupt, our armed forces may be activated to replace local law enforcement and local government.  This is known as marshal rule.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
Same announcement.  This one out of Curacao, where the court is held.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/5643224/Joran-van-der-Sloot-niet-opnieuw-opgepakt


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 09:39:24 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

So people with personality disorders aren't capable of committing a crime?

OCD, Bipolar, Antisocial....these people don't have breaks from reality.  They are very well aware of right and wrong. Why does a disorder excuse a criminal act? 
You have been told a hundred times by Arleen, "we don't understand their system."

I think we can tell Arlene with the whorish red lips, that we now have Aruba's number ::MonkeyCool:: She looks as if she is dressing as a replacment for the aging Rentahoe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:39:56 PM
This is rumored to be Paulus's brother -

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mvds1.jpg)

Marco

VVF party.

On Dana's show of 12/14/2006, Jossy mentioned Marco as Paulus' brother and said he is involved with the government in the NL, specifically with economic policy.

I have had this saved forever not sure if any o it is true.

Please note that Tilburg University is deeply involved in this case and should almost certainly be a point of origin with the Babylonian Elders. These brothers certainly are the reason that this case is stuck where it is. Particularly Marco.


PVDS has several brothers in Holland. They hold some very interesting positions...

1) Let's start with Marco van der Sloot. He holds the title of Coördinator van de commissie MKE (Mobiliteit, Kennis en Economie) of the The Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, VVD) and is an active member of the VVD, the 3rd largest political party in the Netherlands.

The VVD holds alot of power, bc the President of the Tweede Kamer(the House of Representatives of the Dutch Parliament) is a VVD big-wig, he is Mr F. W. (Frans) Weisglas, President of the House of Representatives. The head of the Tweede Kamer Economic Commission, Mr. P.H. Hofstra, is also a VVD big-wig, and Marco is rumored to be his favorite protoge, largely due to the success of Marco's pet project, the Kennisalliantie, which has generated quite a bit of money for the party.

Marco plays a key role in the Ministry of Economic Affairs for the VVD, particularly in developing the Kennisalliantie, a successful program focused on developing partnerships between the public and private sectors for economic development of various types of infrastructure projects in critical areas such as Energy, Transportation, Water, etc. He is a Civil Engineer by training, and you can access his CV on his website.

The links below will tell you all about Marco van der Sloot and his role in the VVD, from the spear-heading the Kennisalliantie program (The Knowledge Alliance of South-Holland), to winning a contract (money) for a water treatment plant in SURINAM, to being a member of the VVD's Delegation to Prince Alexander. He looks alot like his brother, PVDS. You can phone Marco if you wish at tel. 06 45470983.

BY THE WAY, their are a few other interesting names that pop up among the VVD parliment members, including Marcus Lens van Rijn (isn't that Lorenzo's last name?) and Ms. E.I. Schippers ( does the name Arlene Ellis-Schippers ring a bell?) Then there is Mr. Nico Janssens, another VVD bigshot parliment member....

http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/index.jsp
http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/meet_the_tweede_kamer/i ndex.jsp
http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/intranet/mod/smb/public_smb2.cfm
http://www.vvdzuidholland.nl/
http://www.vvdprinsalexander.nl/

http://www.vvdprinsalexander.nl/
http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/intranet/mod/smb/public_smb2.cfm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/PB_CWP_mke.doc
Marco van der Sloot
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/_private/CV-SLOOTNL2005.pdf
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/interest.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/MKEartikelnieuwsbrief2003beg roting.doc
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/PB_CWP_mke.doc
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/photo.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~sloo0013/provincie.htm
http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ItemCode=VVD&HomePage=True

http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/members_of_parliament/p resident_of_the_house/index.jsp

http://www.vvdzuidholland.nl/
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/overig/zoeken/zoekresultaten.jsp
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/index.jsp
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp

http://www.pzh.nl/
http://www.parlement.nl/
http://www.tweedekamer.nl/leden_commissies_fracties/commissi es/index.jsp

http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/inde x.jsp

http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ParentItemID=0&ItemID=37&Select edItemID=296

http://www.vvd.nl/index2.asp?ParentItemID=0&ItemID=37&Select edItemID=297

http://www.vvdrotterdam.nl/wethouders/nicojanssens.htm

http://www.kennisalliantie.nl/
http://www.zuid-holland.nl/images/126_98984.doc
http://www.pzh.nl/overig/zoeken/zoekresultaten.jsp

http://www.kennisalliantie.nl/index.php?n0=1
http://www.pzh.nl/thema/economie_en_werk/kenniseconomie/kenn isalliantie/index.jsp


2) Brother #2 is Hans van der Sloot. Hans is a LANDFILL EXPERT!!! Another Civil Engineer by training, he is a senior researcher at the quasi-governmental enterprise, The Energy Research Centre of the Netherlands. He has authored numerous article on decomposition of organic and inorganic materials at dump sites, and is the Director of Project HORIZONTAL which started in December 2002 with the aim to develop horizontal and harmonised European standards in the field of sludge, soil, and treated biowaste. He is a world-renowned expert in waste treatment and landfill management. Ironic, huh? You can email Hans at: vandersloot@ecn.nl

and read all about his expertise in LANDFILLS by following these links.


http://www.ecn.nl/
http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/
http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot3.pdf
http://search.surfnet.nl/cgi-bin/qsearch.pl
http://www.ecn.nl/library/reports/2003/rx03034.html
http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2003/rx03034.pdf
http://www.ecn.nl/library/reports/2002/rx02061.html
http://www.ecn.nl/cgi-ecn/ecn/publauth.pl?author=Sloot,+H.A. +van+der&unit=SF&#9001;=NL

http://www.ecn.nl/docs/library/report/2002/rx02067.pdf

http://www.ecn.nl/cgi-ecn/ecn/publauth.pl?author=Sloot,+H.A. +van+der&unit=SF&#9001;=NL

http://www.ecn.nl/index.en.html

http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/
http://www.ecn.nl/horizontal/news.php

http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot3.pdf
http://www.cenorm.be/cenorm/workarea/sectorfora/construction +sector+network/vandersloot21.pdf

http://www.ath.aegean.gr/srcosmos/generic_pinakas.aspx?pinak as=cited_refs&id=29157&alpharef=Van-Der-sloot%20HA

http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/test/pdfs/internl.pdf



3) Last but not least we have Ko. van der Sloot, a Scientific Programmer and professor of Faculty of Arts,
Language and Information Science at Tilburg University, aka, Paulus' Alma Mater. The quiet one, Ko sticks to writing boring technical manuals, teaching, and doing his research as a Scientific Programmer in IT Services Infrastructure & Development. He can be reached at Language and Information Science Department
Room L124
P.O. Box 90153
NL-5000 LE Tilburg, The Netherlands
Phone +31 13 466 3202
Fax +31 13 466 3189
E-mail: Ko.vanderSloot@uvt.nl

While he leads a rather inconspicuous life, Ko might soon come in handy for PVDS, since it is likely that the after PVDS buys son Joran's way out of jail, the only university in the world that will take the notorious Aruban teen will be daisysistah other than Tilburg University, where daddy PVDS went to school, and uncle Ko is a professor.

http://www.tilburguniversity.nl/university/
http://www.uvt.nl/webwijs/english/show.html?anr=155659


More on Marcos' Economic Development Program:

The Knowledge Alliance of South-Holland
The Lisbon strategy stated that by 2010 Europe should become "the most competitive and dynamic knowledge based economy in the world with sustainable economic growth, more and better jobs, and greater social cohesion".
In this context the "Kennisalliantie" (Knowledge Alliance) aims to increase knowledge intensive activities within the province of South Holland (Zuid-Holland) to help establish one of the leading, and most competitive regions within this international knowledge based economy.
Our main focus is to facilitate the process of creating an economy that is based on the provision of competitive high-value services, and the development of innovative products. It is not simply about pushing back the frontiers of knowledge; it is also about the more effective use and exploitation of all types of knowledge, in all forms of economic activity.
All the ingredients for the creation of a sustainable knowledge based economy are present in the region: numerous knowledge institutions (universities, international institutions, research institutes), superb infrastructure (Rotterdam Harbour, Schiphol Airport), and the presence of 30 multinational headquarters and thousands of small and medium-size enterprises (SMEs).
Thus, the Kennisalliantie brings together a network of government, private sector and knowledge institutions to create a sustainable and competitive knowledge-based economy in our region. The Kennisalliantie is a platform aimed at coordinating events and jointly taking knowledge-intensive business and innovation to a higher level. With all major players in the regional knowledge infrastructure united, success is within reach.
The Kennisalliantie focuses on four main projects:
Project 1: Knowledge to the Market
Project 2: SME Match (Small and Medium-size Enterprise-Match)
Project 3: IPTS (Information Point Techno Start-ups)
Project 4: Think Tank
Project 1: Knowledge to the Market
The purpose of this project was to set up clusters of government, private sector, and knowledge institutions within nine highly knowledge-intensive categories. These nine clusters are:
&#61607; Water & Delta Technology
&#61607; ICT & Telecom
&#61607; Aerospace & Composites
&#61607; Life Sciences
&#61607; Shipping, Trade, Transport & Logistics
&#61607; Sensor & Nanotechnology
&#61607; International Law
&#61607; Glasshouse Horticulture
&#61607; Process Industry
Key players within the cluster identify themes and projects in which the application of (new) technologies or the uses of existing technologies from other fields form the principle focus.
The Kennisalliantie nurtures the innovation process by organizing facilitating activities. It organizes workshops and meetings for targeted groups of technology experts and specialists from industries working in the field. These events result in the establishment of consortia consisting of the parties concerned for the purpose of conducting feasibility studies and/or pilot studies that will lead to the development and commercialization of new products and services.
Project 2: SME-Match (Small and Medium-size Enterprise Match)
In a competitive environment, innovation is a key driver of economic growth. While small and medium-size enterprises constitute the region’s largest body of employers, they often lack the time and capacity to realize their innovative goals.
The objective of SME Match is to create the opportunity for SMEs to employ highly qualified students who can facilitate in realizing those innovative goals.
The internships run from three to five months. Only students in their final year at higher educational levels are eligible. A limited budget is available to enable participating companies to accumulate external knowledge where needed.
Project 3: IPTS (Techno Start-up Information Point)
Starting entrepreneurs quite often need a lot of information and support to start up or consolidate their businesses. A wide range of such services, including housing, research facilities, coaching, business planning and funding is available from a number of support organizations.
It is essential to be able to find the right services for any given type of business. The Kennisalliantie has created a portal that includes a digital map of all related services available in Zuid-Holland. The purpose of this online guiding system is to help Techno start-ups match the most suitable services to their specific needs.
The power of the IPTS is that it helps Techno Start-ups reduce the time, cost and energy invested in searching for the most appropriate services.
Project 4: Think Tank
A Think Tank has also been set up for the purpose of developing a vision and strategy for the creation of an innovative regional economy. National and international experts contribute to the development of this regional vision - not only by making use of analyses and up-to-date research methods, but also by conducting studies of the available literature and interviews with local experts. The results of the first (out of five) research project are currently being processed.


and Hans' Landfill Project:

Project HORIZONTAL started in December 2002 with the aim to develop horizontal and harmonised European standards in the field of sludge, soil, and treated biowaste to facilitate the regulation of these major streams in the multiple decisions related to different uses and disposal governed by EU Directives. The work started with desk studies on all topics relevant in the project to evaluate the feasibility of the development of a horizontal standard or horizontal standards for sampling, biological parameters, hygienic parameters, organic parameters, inorganic parameters, mechanical properties and leaching in the fields of sludge, soil and treated biowaste.

_________________

There is an environmentalist waste professor at Vanderbilt.  Oh, those Dutch names.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 14, 2008, 09:39:56 PM
Good night ya'll, I am repeating myself, and having trouble spelling!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:40:34 PM
Marshall law was established in both Germany and Japan and it was called the Marshall plan. IIRC and I think I do.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:40:40 PM
just read on the Dutch news than joran will not go to jail again.... aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG

So people with personality disorders aren't capable of committing a crime?

OCD, Bipolar, Antisocial....these people don't have breaks from reality.  They are very well aware of right and wrong. Why does a disorder excuse a criminal act? 
You have been told a hundred times by Arleen, "we don't understand their system."

I hate to admit it...but...Arleen was right.  Odd though, I do understand the Dutch system....must be that Aruban "sovereign nation" business.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 09:40:47 PM
I do feel bad for Sebastian  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ...I always have. He didn't ask for any of this.
  Is that Poppin' Fresh?  There is a Sebastian vanderSloot at one of the universities.  Maybe Poppin' was named for him.

Neither did Val, his momma volunteered him ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:40:50 PM
hey caesu,
ik kwam misschien een beetje bitcherig over in mn post, maar zo bedoelde ik het niet hoor. ik begrijp dat je het je aantrekt en je bent terecht verontwaardigd over de gang van zaken.
maar ik ben bang dat als de PVV zich hiermee gaat bemoeien, dat het kabinet het dan doodzwijgt aleen al omdat het de partij van wilders is.
en ik denk ook ... kijk, corruptie zit overal dus in nederland ook echt wel.... maar we moeten hier wel uitkijken dat we niet onbedoeld heel nederland corrupt laten lijken.
degenen die uit nederland komen en corrupt zijn moeten goed afgestraft worden.
maar balkenende is er al mee bezig... benieuwd wat hij vrijdag gaat zeggen op aruba want st.maarten (vrouwenhandel, georganiseerde misdaad) heeft hij goed de les gelezen.

wat peter r de vries betreft... die had al tips achter de hand, ben ik van overtuigd. die zet niet alles op een kaart, is hij veel te gis voor.
ik hoop echt dat hij het weer oppakt.
caesu, ik wens je een goede nachtrust voor straks, en denk om je bloeddruk.... wij kunnen het helaas niet 1 2 3 oplossen dus het wordt toch afwachte hoe het balletje verder rolt.
maar ik zou ook heel graag gerechtigheid zien in deze zaak, en liefst snel.
groetjes,




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 09:42:51 PM
Same announcement.  This one out of Curacao, where the court is held.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/5643224/Joran-van-der-Sloot-niet-opnieuw-opgepakt

Joran van der Sloot not re-arrested
Published: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:23 UTC
Last updated: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:23 UTC

Curacao - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in the Holloway case. This is the Common Court of Justice in Curaçao. In the course of Friday, the Court with a detailed explanation.
According to the Dutch lawyer Van der Sloot, the Court determined that the programme of Peter R. De Vries is not sufficient for a new arrest. The confession that Van der Sloot did it in front of a mole would not be supported by other data.

Furthermore, according to the lawyer included that the student Arnhemse often has lied about the events in Aruba. The Court and the PPS do not preclude Van der Sloot has a severe personality disorder, according to his lawyer.

Van der Sloot has been twice previously locked in the verdwijningszaak. Therefore, the Court finds that there is significant evidence to bring him again to arrest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 09:43:46 PM
I'm just catching up. Ugh. Greta will have "important news out of Aruba tonight" -- this is obviously the story, that Joran will not be arrested. I think it might be martial law, as in law enforced by people with guns. Not marshal law, as in law enforced by Marshal Matt Dillon. I will not try to look it up. So disappointing but not surprising.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 09:43:49 PM
I wrote this a few days ago, I think it underscores the strategy of the corrupt:

You just nailed it. That is how deep this cover-up runs that you would bring a guy back in knowing full well you don't have any new evidence. Why do that? The only reason is to, as you say, "elevate the bar", so that the standard that would have to be applied IF new evidence were to surface in the future would be completely out of reach, giving the prosecution no possible means to secure a conviction.

What is truely amazing is that they have gone to extraordinary lengths to protect the Van Der Satan's all the while causing so much collateral damage one has to wonder which crime is more heinous.

May GOD have mercy on their souls.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
Buckeye - I totally get it now... and so does Klaas... and so does Yvonne DeVries.

and so do you...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 09:46:18 PM
Here's martial law, from Encarta:

mar·tial law


noun
Definition:
 
control by armed forces: the control and policing of a civilian population by military forces and according to military rules, imposed, e.g. in wartime or when the civilian government no longer functions


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:46:20 PM
ala_gunslinger, i have heard of that before. its in the middle of the night here, so i cant call anyone on the phone right now.but i now someone who knows a lot about laws, i can ask him tomorrow (and will).please keep the question in mind, its an interesting one.
i believe the marshall rule applies here too, but just to be sure i will inform about it tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 09:47:44 PM
Here's marshal law, from Encarta:

No results found for  "marshal law"

Multiple Words
The words "marshal law" do not appear together, but you can try a search on the individual words.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 09:48:58 PM
Objectively speaking, I understand it.

What purpose would it serve for another catch and release?

The outrage will work to our advantage, as long as the focus become Paulus and his accomplices.

True and we are only talking about pre-trial detention.  So I'm hoping it does go to trial and more of the coverup is exposed by DeVries and others before then.

I agree Klaas, I see no more reason to put him in jail, and have him refuse to talk.  Let's wait until they arrest and charge him with murder. 

Are we seeing this new information from official announcements, or is this the rumor mill 'releasing' this information??

According to lying liars on Fox this afternoon on John's program, Aruba announced they have 24 hours but promised a decision regards arrest or not arrest within 24 hours.  It's Friday news, wouldn't you know?  Meet the Press will preempt any detective work and of course the primaries on Tuesday.  These crooked bastages know how to work our system.  They understand our system, we understand theirs; its' a bunch of crooks running DSI.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 09:51:01 PM
Same announcement.  This one out of Curacao, where the court is held.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/5643224/Joran-van-der-Sloot-niet-opnieuw-opgepakt

Joran van der Sloot not re-arrested
Published: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:23 UTC
Last updated: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:23 UTC

Curacao - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in the Holloway case. This is the Common Court of Justice in Curaçao. In the course of Friday, the Court with a detailed explanation.
According to the Dutch lawyer Van der Sloot, the Court determined that the programme of Peter R. De Vries is not sufficient for a new arrest. The confession that Van der Sloot did it in front of a mole would not be supported by other data.

Furthermore, according to the lawyer included that the student Arnhemse often has lied about the events in Aruba. The Court and the PPS do not preclude Van der Sloot has a severe personality disorder, according to his lawyer.

Van der Sloot has been twice previously locked in the verdwijningszaak. Therefore, the Court finds that there is significant evidence to bring him again to arrest.

Any chances of more signifcant evidence than a confession, twice, being the last one with the girl, framing 2 innocent people, and repetitively lying about his alibi?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 09:52:11 PM
Same announcement.  This one out of Curacao, where the court is held.

http://www.wereldomroep.nl/news/domestic/5643224/Joran-van-der-Sloot-niet-opnieuw-opgepakt

Joran van der Sloot not re-arrested
Published: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:23 UTC
Last updated: Friday, February 15, 2008 01:23 UTC

Curacao - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in the Holloway case. This is the Common Court of Justice in Curaçao. In the course of Friday, the Court with a detailed explanation.
According to the Dutch lawyer Van der Sloot, the Court determined that the programme of Peter R. De Vries is not sufficient for a new arrest. The confession that Van der Sloot did it in front of a mole would not be supported by other data.

Furthermore, according to the lawyer included that the student Arnhemse often has lied about the events in Aruba. The Court and the PPS do not preclude Van der Sloot has a severe personality disorder, according to his lawyer.

Van der Sloot has been twice previously locked in the verdwijningszaak. Therefore, the Court finds that there is significant evidence to bring him again to arrest.

Can we get a clarification of the last sentence?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:52:28 PM
i have heard of marshall plan, that is that dutch troups help rebuild like in afghanistan. but thats probably not the same as marshall law or rule


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:54:06 PM
Here's martial law, from Encarta:

mar·tial law


noun
Definition:
 
control by armed forces: the control and policing of a civilian population by military forces and according to military rules, imposed, e.g. in wartime or when the civilian government no longer functions


No chance in Aruba.  The radios will be blasting Natalee's family and the psychics will get a parade. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:54:41 PM
PV - I think we need a combination of both.

With enemies that close, I believe Aruba - via Holland - need Oduber over thrown - and the US as an intermediary.

The MEP makes Noriega look tame.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 09:56:28 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if we miss that sattelite and it lands on Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 14, 2008, 09:57:37 PM
I would bet the decision was made Monday and gave Joran enough time to get to Spain or Canada.  I vote Canada because of that AP English class....not Montreal...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 09:57:41 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if we miss that sattelite and it lands on Aruba?

I *think* I heard they will try to accidentally shoot it down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 09:58:31 PM
You know, in one sense I'm glad he wasn't re-detained.  He's protected from the outside world when he's detained.  He wouldn't have talked anyway.  He's in prison right now anyway because he can't go anywhere and feel safe. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 09:58:37 PM
bladerunner,
the last sentence is translated in the wrong way.

it says van der sloot has been already arrested 2 times in the case of this disseapearing.
now, to arrest him a third time they need stronger evidence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 09:58:40 PM
I would bet the decision was made Monday and gave Joran enough time to get to Spain or Canada.  I vote Canada because of that AP English class....not Montreal...

I for one would welcome Joran on North American soil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:00:29 PM
You know, in one sense I'm glad he wasn't re-detained.  He's protected from the outside world when he's detained.  He wouldn't have talked anyway.  He's in prison right now anyway because he can't go anywhere and feel safe. 

Amen. I bet he sees cameras everywhere when he gets stoned. Paranoia is common with smoking weed. Paranoia has caused many people to permanently lose it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 10:01:12 PM
thats right, klaasend.
maybe it is a better punishment for him to be free but never ever be really free again, instead living as a paria.
versus to let him go to trial and get a minor punishment


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 10:01:14 PM

Folks, I think now is the time for an official BOYCOTT ARUBA non-profit organization to be set up with a slick website that can handle membership, news updates, free boycott materials, mailings, advertising and contributions. I know many of us would donate if we had a easy in-your-face way to do so.

This shit has gone on long enough, it is time to get politically organized for a boycott of Aruba. Up until now we have had some fine people out there on the front line at the travel shows. We need to be able to support them and the cause in a professional manner.

There is so much more we can all do. IT IS TIME WE GOT THE BOYCOTT TOGETHER!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:01:42 PM
Wouldn't it be a shame if we miss that sattelite and it lands on Aruba?

I *think* I heard they will try to accidentally shoot it down.

Its definitely a Texas size skeet shoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
bladerunner,
the last sentence is translated in the wrong way.

it says van der sloot has been already arrested 2 times in the case of this disseapearing.
now, to arrest him a third time they need stronger evidence.

Ok, that makes sense, thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Noly on February 14, 2008, 10:03:03 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 10:04:47 PM

Folks, I think now is the time for an official BOYCOTT ARUBA non-profit organization to be set up with a slick website that can handle membership, news updates, free boycott materials, mailings, advertising and contributions. I know many of us would donate if we had a easy in-your-face way to do so.

This shit has gone on long enough, it is time to get politically organized for a boycott of Aruba. Up until now we have had some fine people out there on the front line at the travel shows. We need to be able to support them and the cause in a professional manner.

There is so much more we can all do. IT IS TIME WE GOT THE BOYCOTT TOGETHER!


AN ONLINE PETITION WOULD BE ANOTHER PLACE TO START.

THIS TOTAL HORSESHIT!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:05:40 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

I never saw resemblance before that before but it is there


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2008, 10:06:10 PM
aruban OM thinks he has a personality disorder.
OMG



After two 1/2 years, so do I.
Well, maybe I had it B4.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 10:08:35 PM
buckeye, i just now read your question.
people with a personality disorder can commit a crime, and can go to jail, but it is more likely they get TBS and are sent to a governmental mental institution, where they can be held for.... lets say... in a worst case scenario... forever


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 10:09:01 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 10:10:16 PM
buckeye, i just now read your question.
people with a personality disorder can commit a crime, and can go to jail, but it is more likely they get TBS and are sent to a governmental mental institution, where they can be held for.... lets say... in a worst case scenario... forever

Well, forever sounds good.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2008, 10:10:23 PM
I would bet the decision was made Monday and gave Joran enough time to get to Spain or Canada.  I vote Canada because of that AP English class....not Montreal...
No way . I pull away Welcome Mat.
He would need a Visa. Not the credit card, but either a student visa or a visitors card.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 10:11:51 PM
Marshall law was established in both Germany and Japan and it was called the Marshall plan. IIRC and I think I do.

I believe the Marshall Plan is different from martial law.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:12:26 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

Notice the exact eye brow and jaw line

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:13:22 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)



i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

Notice the exact eye brow and jaw line


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 10:13:36 PM
I think these two pics show a resemblance..MO

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoPaulCompare2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 10:13:49 PM
somehow i like that idea that he is in one flew over the cuckoos nest but then a bitbitbitabitmore worse


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2008, 10:14:08 PM
i have heard of marshall plan, that is that dutch troups help rebuild like in afghanistan. but thats probably not the same as marshall law or rule
I think there was a Marshall plan right after WW2, airlifts to the German population as they were starving. Berlin, I think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:14:25 PM
Marshall law was established in both Germany and Japan and it was called the Marshall plan. IIRC and I think I do.

I believe the Marshall Plan is different from martial law.

Atta girl Tylergal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 10:14:37 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

I think its clear as day they are father and son. Look at the hairline of Lorenzo. I always thought Joran and Lorenzo had eyes that looked too similar to be simply a coincident.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 10:14:47 PM
Although it may be possible, I highly doubt a cell phone, after lying on the ground for nearly three years, would still work, even taking into consideration that Aruba receives little precipitation (less than 20-30inches??) per year.

The dark side seems to confirm details when a wrong crime scene is pursued, yet strongly stirs when an unknown (and possibly correct) is suspected...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 14, 2008, 10:14:48 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

There is the proof!  No doubt about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 10:15:34 PM
dear people, my internal hard disk has runneth over... i m going to bed. i wish you all well and will log in again tomorrow.
bye for now


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:16:00 PM
Am I too late for the celebration?   ::MonkeyLaugh::  I had a hello time gettin' on here, but I just heard a blurb on FOX that approval has been given for Joran's re-arrest!

I hope I heard it right.  Greta is on now. 

You guys probably heard this a long time ago, but I just got home and am so exhilerated to hear the news I am a movin' and a shakin' all around the place.  WAHOO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 10:16:20 PM
I've been trying to catch up, what this "new information" everyone is referencing, I can't find it?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 10:16:39 PM
owhhh.. well in that case you have your marshall rule answer right there.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:17:22 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

I think its clear as day they are father and son. Look at the hairline of Lorenzo. I always thought Joran and Lorenzo had eyes that looked too similar to be simply a coincident.

Good one, I forgot about the hair line. Look at the right eye brow how the right end of them loop


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 10:18:03 PM
You know, in one sense I'm glad he wasn't re-detained.  He's protected from the outside world when he's detained.  He wouldn't have talked anyway.  He's in prison right now anyway because he can't go anywhere and feel safe. 

Problem is, the outside world isn't protected from him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 14, 2008, 10:18:14 PM
huh?? they werent going to detain him again !?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:18:46 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

I think its clear as day they are father and son. Look at the hairline of Lorenzo. I always thought Joran and Lorenzo had eyes that looked too similar to be simply a coincident.

Good one, I forgot about the hair line. Look at the right eye brow how the right end of them loop

The nose may be different, Paulus is a little pugged


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 10:19:06 PM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan

yes sir and in the effort to save key storkes - I dropped it.

anyway - I just asked Carpe to see what he could do with the old PVDS photo and the Lorenzo photo. I, personally don't expect anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on February 14, 2008, 10:19:58 PM
Am I too late for the celebration?   ::MonkeyLaugh::  I had a hello time gettin' on here, but I just heard a blurb on FOX that approval has been given for Joran's re-arrest!

I hope I heard it right.  Greta is on now. 

You guys probably heard this a long time ago, but I just got home and am so exhilerated to hear the news I am a movin' and a shakin' all around the place.  WAHOO!

??????????????????
I am going to go away and come back. Chillin' and clarification is needed for me.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:20:56 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

I think its clear as day they are father and son. Look at the hairline of Lorenzo. I always thought Joran and Lorenzo had eyes that looked too similar to be simply a coincident.

Good one, I forgot about the hair line. Look at the right eye brow how the right end of them loop

Udder Van Der Sloot, you better look close cause it looks as if there are bastard Van Der Sloots right under your udders:) My old my, so this is why Poppa uprooted you from Holland, He had been rooting in Aruba ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:22:55 PM
I'm sorry if I heard it wrong as I see on the previous page a re-arrest was denied! 

In the blurb it even said Joran is in hiding but they know where he is.



Klassend, If I heard that wrong would you please delete these two posts of mine.  Then I'll pretend I'm an Ostrich and go stick my head in the sand!   ::MonkeyTongue::   Thanks  XOX


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 10:23:05 PM
Am I too late for the celebration?   ::MonkeyLaugh::  I had a hello time gettin' on here, but I just heard a blurb on FOX that approval has been given for Joran's re-arrest!

I hope I heard it right.  Greta is on now. 

You guys probably heard this a long time ago, but I just got home and am so exhilerated to hear the news I am a movin' and a shakin' all around the place.  WAHOO!

We heard the opposite so you probably heard it wrong  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:23:49 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

I think its clear as day they are father and son. Look at the hairline of Lorenzo. I always thought Joran and Lorenzo had eyes that looked too similar to be simply a coincident.

Good one, I forgot about the hair line. Look at the right eye brow how the right end of them loop

Udder Van Der Sloot, you better look close cause it looks as if there are bastard Van Der Sloots right under your udders:) My old my, so this is why Poppa uprooted you from Holland, He had been rooting in Aruba ::MonkeyDance::

And this would explain Paulus ability to hide a body, chop a mans head off, and maintain such silence. The police aren't even allowed past that fence of his compound. How does such a young street punk control so much of Aruba? Why is he so off limits?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 10:25:30 PM
I'm sorry if I heard it wrong as I see on the previous page a re-arrest was denied! 

In the blurb it even said Joran is in hiding but they know where he is.



Klassend, If I heard that wrong would you please delete these two posts of mine.  Then I'll pretend I'm an Ostrich and go stick my head in the sand!   ::MonkeyTongue::   Thanks  XOX

Let's just wait and see what Fox says


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:26:21 PM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan

yes sir and in the effort to save key storkes - I dropped it.

anyway - I just asked Carpe to see what he could do with the old PVDS photo and the Lorenzo photo. I, personally don't expect anything.


It is kind of confusing. I knew something was wrong but until Tyler said it I didn't get it:)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: nimrod on February 14, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
Am I too late for the celebration?   ::MonkeyLaugh::  I had a hello time gettin' on here, but I just heard a blurb on FOX that approval has been given for Joran's re-arrest!

I hope I heard it right.  Greta is on now. 

You guys probably heard this a long time ago, but I just got home and am so exhilerated to hear the news I am a movin' and a shakin' all around the place.  WAHOO!

??????????????????
I am going to go away and come back. Chillin' and clarification is needed for me.

 

All I heard Greta say was that there is breaking news from Aruba tonight. Another Fox teaser?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:28:19 PM
Am I too late for the celebration?   ::MonkeyLaugh::  I had a hello time gettin' on here, but I just heard a blurb on FOX that approval has been given for Joran's re-arrest!

I hope I heard it right.  Greta is on now. 

You guys probably heard this a long time ago, but I just got home and am so exhilerated to hear the news I am a movin' and a shakin' all around the place.  WAHOO!

??????????????????
I am going to go away and come back. Chillin' and clarification is needed for me.

 

Hi Kat_Gram,  Me too.  I wish I had been paying full attention but I could just swear I heard it!  I was busy on our Madeleine McCann forum and as I heard it I raced over to our tiny Natalee thread to write a blurb about what I heard and then said to he!! with that and came zooming to my Monkey's!

I sure hope it is true.  xox


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 14, 2008, 10:28:39 PM
Night I need to try and get the Lorenzo/Paulus similarities out of my brain. I had always dismissed all of that to just rumors, and it still is, but


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: kimi1230 on February 14, 2008, 10:31:24 PM

Folks, I think now is the time for an official BOYCOTT ARUBA non-profit organization to be set up with a slick website that can handle membership, news updates, free boycott materials, mailings, advertising and contributions. I know many of us would donate if we had a easy in-your-face way to do so.

This shit has gone on long enough, it is time to get politically organized for a boycott of Aruba. Up until now we have had some fine people out there on the front line at the travel shows. We need to be able to support them and the cause in a professional manner.

There is so much more we can all do. IT IS TIME WE GOT THE BOYCOTT TOGETHER!

Amen.....I'm in full force....will do whatever I can to help the cause!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 14, 2008, 10:31:32 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::
No re-arrest for Urine Van der Poop???  UGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I pray that Nat's body surfaces - that her spirit directs the people looking for her to the remaining evidence! 
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
Shrinking Monk


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 10:31:44 PM
Must remember that Aruba has had nearly three years of many closed door meetings to strategize a staged solution to this situation, no matter which way it turns. Several created endings to "close this chapter."

Anyone agree ???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 10:33:48 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ArubaBlackTeam1Diario3-21-2007.jpg)

Rob: Would this happen to be the Moko Whitehouse Apartments?

Map
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/moko-map-1.jpg

Who is getting all these live photos from every scene of the crime ??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 10:35:06 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ArubaBlackTeam1Diario3-21-2007.jpg)

Rob: Would this happen to be the Moko Whitehouse Apartments?

Map
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/moko-map-1.jpg

Who is getting all these live photos from every scene of the crime ??

The photographer(s) ?? Just wondering................


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 10:35:12 PM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

There is the proof!  No doubt about it.

Rough, but I think its a match:

(http://i26.tinypic.com/1235ni0.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 10:35:19 PM
Fox says news from Aruba is coming up. It's about whether or not Joran will go back to jail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 10:35:44 PM
PV - I think we need a combination of both.

With enemies that close, I believe Aruba - via Holland - need Oduber over thrown - and the US as an intermediary.

The MEP makes Noriega look tame.

Joran was fantasizing so big in that van with Patrick, fancying himself as big and bad as Pablo Escobar. :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:36:11 PM
YEPPERS, JORAN IS HEADED TO JAIL!    ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

MEGA HUGS EVERYONE  xox


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 14, 2008, 10:36:41 PM
Must remember that Aruba has had nearly three years of many closed door meetings to strategize a staged solution to this situation, no matter which way it turns. Several created endings to "close this chapter."

Anyone agree ???

His father says Joran has a severe metal problem.  This appears to be the route out of this.  Joran goes for treatment for his lying while not admitting to anything.  Problem solved.  How does that sound?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 10:36:52 PM
Buckshot - the 24ora site/reporters are at alot of the crime scenes and post photos and videos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 14, 2008, 10:38:12 PM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan

yes sir and in the effort to save key storkes - I dropped it.

anyway - I just asked Carpe to see what he could do with the old PVDS photo and the Lorenzo photo. I, personally don't expect anything.


It is kind of confusing. I knew something was wrong but until Tyler said it I didn't get it:)

Martial Law is imposed when a government is considered too corrupt to govern
itself successfully or after a war or a coup when there is instability.
Gunslinger was right it was imposed on Phoenix City, AL after all the corruption
was exposed there.  It has been used worldwide.
The Marshall Plan is used to help a country rebuild after war or disaster



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 10:39:08 PM
TACO on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 10:40:37 PM
Joe Taco is spewing pure shit again as to why Joran will not go to jail.  He is disgusting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Spock on February 14, 2008, 10:50:02 PM
Joe Taco is spewing pure shit again as to why Joran will not go to jail.  He is disgusting.
"Not one shred of evidence against my client"
"Joran had nothing to do with the dissapearance of NH"
"Honor student"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 10:50:29 PM
Greta's show sucks so far, everyone screaming at how bungled the investigation was by the police. Totally frigin clueless and she made no mention that others are clearly involved. I'm totally dumfounded at this situation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 14, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan

yes sir and in the effort to save key storkes - I dropped it.

anyway - I just asked Carpe to see what he could do with the old PVDS photo and the Lorenzo photo. I, personally don't expect anything.


It is kind of confusing. I knew something was wrong but until Tyler said it I didn't get it:)

Martial Law is imposed when a government is considered too corrupt to govern
itself successfully or after a war or a coup when there is instability.
Gunslinger was right it was imposed on Phoenix City, AL after all the corruption
was exposed there.  It has been used worldwide.
The Marshall Plan is used to help a country rebuild after war or disaster



And it is Phenix City, Alabama, not Phoenix, as in Arizona. :)  Former resident who thought that spelling strange.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 10:51:25 PM
gak

anyone else?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 10:51:55 PM
Should be shocking - the latest news about Joran, but ................is it really?

Do they want to prosecute the case ???

OR

Just go away ???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
I wish Greta would just SHUT UP.  Her favortimistic attitude towards Joran makes me sick, and everything she says is tainted by her thinking he is some Dutch Hunk.

I swore after Scott Peterson's case I would never watch her again.  She was always a day late and a dollar short on her news of the case and until they nabbed Scott at the airport swore she had the hots for him too!    EEwwwwwww  Frustrating!

They're all negative as they don't think he will actually end up with handcuffs and leg irons on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 14, 2008, 10:52:28 PM
Just caught Greta on the dipshit....  WFT!!!!!   NO JAIL!  This is just insane!

Where's our dutch friends.   We need to DO SOMETHING!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 10:52:45 PM
Greta to Joe T: What's wrong with your client?

Response: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 10:53:23 PM
Greta's show sucks so far, everyone screaming at how bungled the investigation was by the police. Totally frigin clueless and she made no mention that others are clearly involved. I'm totally dumbfounded at this situation.

I agree.  I kept waiting for someone to remember that just a couple nights ago they were talking corruption and dirtycops.  And Ted says it's obvious the polis have nothing.  DUH No, cuz they destroyed it you fool.

Greta knows - she is inclined not to go there.  I think she is gun shy to throw out too much about corruption.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:53:29 PM
Sorry, I was too upset.  I meant to say nabbed Scott at the Golf Course.  xoxoxoxo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 10:55:03 PM
Greta's show sucks so far, everyone screaming at how bungled the investigation was by the police. Totally frigin clueless and she made no mention that others are clearly involved. I'm totally dumbfounded at this situation.

I agree.  I kept waiting for someone to remember that just a couple nights ago they were talking corruption and dirtycops.  And Ted says it's obvious the polis have nothing.  DUH No, cuz they destroyed it you fool.

Greta knows - she is inclined not to go there.  I think she is gun shy to throw out too much about corruption.



She has no guts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 14, 2008, 10:55:12 PM
O.K. it is time Beth and Dave put out a plea on Aruba T.V. for the location of their daughters body. No questions asked, just give her back.  Let that island burn in hell. But they need to understand they HAVE to give her back to her parents.  It is hopeless, Justice cannot be served in Aruba.  The U.S. has got to step in and make some demands on this island and put a stop to the suffering of an American family who have lost their American daughter.  Enough is enough.  Something different has got to be done.  Being nice will not solve this problem.  Now Joe and Papa Sloot is using the "Joran needs to get help" to get him off.  It is time for the U.S. to demand a resolution here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 14, 2008, 10:55:21 PM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan

yes sir and in the effort to save key storkes - I dropped it.

anyway - I just asked Carpe to see what he could do with the old PVDS photo and the Lorenzo photo. I, personally don't expect anything.


It is kind of confusing. I knew something was wrong but until Tyler said it I didn't get it:)

Martial Law is imposed when a government is considered too corrupt to govern
itself successfully or after a war or a coup when there is instability.
Gunslinger was right it was imposed on Phoenix City, AL after all the corruption
was exposed there.  It has been used worldwide.
The Marshall Plan is used to help a country rebuild after war or disaster



And it is Phenix City, Alabama, not Phoenix, as in Arizona. :)  Former resident who thought that spelling strange.

Thank you, Tyler, I had never noticed that.  What's an 'o' here and there? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 10:56:35 PM
Ugg this all makes me sick to my stomach :(

Bladerunners pic gave me a lil giggle but it's not enough :(


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 10:56:53 PM
Just caught Greta on the dipshit....  WFT!!!!!   NO JAIL!  This is just insane!

Where's our dutch friends.   We need to DO SOMETHING!

What?  I just heard as plain as my face the intro said Joran is going back to jail!  And it showed a video of him walking in handcuffs in that blue plaid shirt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 10:57:00 PM
Scandi - Greta set-up Joran with her inclined to believe him.

yet she did nothing.

Godfather Peter DeVries did.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Spock on February 14, 2008, 10:57:23 PM
Joe Taco is spewing pure shit again as to why Joran will not go to jail.  He is disgusting.
"Not one shred of evidence against my client"
"Joran had nothing to do with the dissapearance of NH"
"Honor student"
"Joran only said what the man wanted to hear"
"Joran was under the influence when he said those things"
"Joran now has no memory of saying those things"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 14, 2008, 10:58:30 PM
I wish Greta would just SHUT UP.  Her favortimistic attitude towards Joran makes me sick, and everything she says is tainted by her thinking he is some Dutch Hunk.

I swore after Scott Peterson's case I would never watch her again.  She was always a day late and a dollar short on her news of the case and until they nabbed Scott at the airport swore she had the hots for him too!    EEwwwwwww  Frustrating!

They're all negative as they don't think he will actually end up with handcuffs and leg irons on!

I don't think she did a good job with the coverage tonite either, however, I do not think she believes or likes Joran one little bit.  She told Joe she thought Joran had no morals and is disgusting.  She believes he is a murderer.  So at least she is now inclined to believe he is guilty.

She just isn't inclined to push the corruption buttons or do any investigative reporting.  Peter de Vries is the only one that has truly done the job.  A few flew to Aruba and gave it a 48 hr attempt but you can't do that with this case.  Peter is the only one that stuck with it.  Good for him.

So if we want anything to happen we have to count on him being the "pit bull" that our Dutch posters say he is.  Go get 'em Peter.  You're the only one with the balls to do it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 10:59:19 PM
Joe Taco is spewing pure shit again as to why Joran will not go to jail.  He is disgusting.
"Not one shred of evidence against my client"
"Joran had nothing to do with the dissapearance of NH"
"Honor student"
"Joran only said what the man wanted to hear"
"Joran was under the influence when he said those things"
"Joran now has no memory of saying those things"
Taco  said that? Holy sh@@@@t!!!!!!!!!

Where the hell is Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 14, 2008, 11:00:24 PM
Are they seriously considering martial law?  Oh, gee, ya' think ALE and their justice system is corrupt? 

GOOD MORNING!  Wake up to the real world Aruba!
Aruba is like an inner city with crime, drugs, murder, coersion, etc.

Is it possible that the FBI take over the case and charge, at least, a civil case in the USA? 

I hope he rots in .....y'know

Shrinking Monk


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 11:01:52 PM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 11:03:07 PM
WE HAVE SEEN THE DUTCH SYSTEM AND IT SUCKS!

Greta did make a good point, why do these Dutch prosecutors shoot their mouths off only to get their teeth slapped down their throats. Thaty haven't done shit, they won't do shit, so why don't they keep their fuggin' traps shut? They look like hapless fools.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Are they seriously considering martial law?  Oh, gee, ya' think ALE and their justice system is corrupt? 

GOOD MORNING!  Wake up to the real world Aruba!
Aruba is like an inner city with crime, drugs, murder, coersion, etc.

Is it possible that the FBI take over the case and charge, at least, a civil case in the USA? 

I hope he rots in .....y'know

Shrinking Monk
Shrink no one in America can do anything that I know of..The Dutch Govt must do something or this will never be solved.IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 11:04:22 PM
Klaasend:

did you check mbox


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 11:04:25 PM
I may be in the minority here but I really liked Greta and her panel tonight.  They HATE Joran.  The world HATES Joran.  Under the rules of law in Aruba, the chances of him being re-detained for a 3rd time was nearly zero.  We shouldn't be surprised at the decision.  Joran is in his own private hell, he's not safe anywhere.

Now we need to keep the pressure on, go after the big fish.  I'm hoping that's exactly what DeVries is planning on doing.


I STAND WITH THE GIRL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 11:04:32 PM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.


How's he gonna do that Caps? He was in Aruba many times,The persistence has been in the waters 2 months now and still no Natalee!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:04:56 PM
The loudest thing I heard Taco say was that the judges actually had evidence to disprove what Joran said to Patrick.  Surely Taco was just twisting words.  How could they possibly have evidence to disprove the truth.  If they truly did, they wouldn't reopen the case.


Romney 2012


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 11:06:01 PM
Joe Taco is spewing pure shit again as to why Joran will not go to jail.  He is disgusting.
"Not one shred of evidence against my client"
"Joran had nothing to do with the dissapearance of NH"
"Honor student"
"Joran only said what the man wanted to hear"
"Joran was under the influence when he said those things"
"Joran now has no memory of saying those things"


ITA Spock and Rob,  Thank goodness for investigative journalists.  Da Vries, he is standing tall in Natalee's corner.  I think Joran is a serious predator, like someone wrote, you just wait, he'll be in the news again!

Why don't they listen to Peter so this guy doesn't hurt and abuse or kill anyone else?  We know his temper is going to get the best of him.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
I don't think she did a good job with the coverage tonite either, however, I do not think she believes or likes Joran one little bit.  She told Joe she thought Joran had no morals and is disgusting.  She believes he is a murderer.  So at least she is now inclined to believe he is guilty.

She just isn't inclined to push the corruption buttons or do any investigative reporting.  Peter de Vries is the only one that has truly done the job.  A few flew to Aruba and gave it a 48 hr attempt but you can't do that with this case.  Peter is the only one that stuck with it.  Good for him.

So if we want anything to happen we have to count on him being the "pit bull" that our Dutch posters say he is.  Go get 'em Peter.  You're the only one with the balls to do it.


I got a better idea. Why don't they get rid of their judicial system and turn it over to Peter DeVires. He seems to be the only person with a lick of common sense.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:06:33 PM
Klaas, I agree with you.  I thought Greta was trying to make amends by going a little overboard (for a reporter, not for a monkey) calling JVDS some choice names.  I think it was a shout-out to us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 11:08:35 PM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.


How's he gonna do that Caps? He was in Aruba many times,The persistence has been in the waters 2 months now and still no Natalee!!!


This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:08:47 PM
This whole judicial mess makes me really glad to be an American living on American soil.  The mess in Aruba is not isolated. . .not based on my experiences anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Scandi on February 14, 2008, 11:09:34 PM
I may be in the minority here but I really liked Greta and her panel tonight.  They HATE Joran.  The world HATES Joran.  Under the rules of law in Aruba, the chances of him being re-detained for a 3rd time was nearly zero.  We shouldn't be surprised at the decision.  Joran is in his own private hell, he's not safe anywhere.

Now we need to keep the pressure on, go after the big fish.  I'm hoping that's exactly what DeVries is planning on doing.


I STAND WITH THE GIRL


Thanks for that Klassend,  When I heard the news I guess I missed the word 'IF' he goes to jail as I was too emotionally caught up wanting this to happen.    ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 11:11:26 PM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.


How's he gonna do that Caps? He was in Aruba many times,The persistence has been in the waters 2 months now and still no Natalee!!!

Because it is not in the Ocean....They never went to the Ocean

The time bo not allow it.

It takes advanced planning to do it. if you want to keep it a secret, you have to keep the circle small



This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 14, 2008, 11:11:28 PM
Scandi - Joran is a super - predator.

Check it out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:11:31 PM
CapsLock, I don't know you, but if I were you, I would be a bit careful about saying things like that.  JVDS could very well wind up being taken out and you don't want that kind of trouble to deal with.  Tonight when Taco announced the judges' decision, the first thing I thought is that Joran might be marked.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SherryinWA on February 14, 2008, 11:11:36 PM
Hello everyone,
I am am a newbie here,  just wanted to introduce myself.  I am mostly a lurker, but I have been reading the whole site.  I tend to get obsessed over one or two cases at a time, with the tragedy of the Groene children in Idaho being my focus in the past.  You guys are amazing here, and I am honored to be allowed to "hang out" here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 11:11:40 PM
I may be in the minority here but I really liked Greta and her panel tonight.  They HATE Joran.  The world HATES Joran.  Under the rules of law in Aruba, the chances of him being re-detained for a 3rd time was nearly zero.  We shouldn't be surprised at the decision.  Joran is in his own private hell, he's not safe anywhere.

Now we need to keep the pressure on, go after the big fish.  I'm hoping that's exactly what DeVries is planning on doing.


I STAND WITH THE GIRL


I agree, thought they did a good job. They trashed Joran, trashed the Arubans, trashed Joran some more, trashed the Prosecutors, and trashed Joran some more. I would have liked to see them get into the corruption but I think plenty of that is coming.

Joe sounded like a whipped puppy. He has lost all the spring in his step for his douche bag client, you can tell. What kind of souless whore defends a person like that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 14, 2008, 11:12:31 PM
Hello everyone,
I am am a newbie here,  just wanted to introduce myself.  I am mostly a lurker, but I have been reading the whole site.  I tend to get obsessed over one or two cases at a time, with the tragedy of the Groene children in Idaho being my focus in the past.  You guys are amazing here, and I am honored to be allowed to "hang out" here.


Welcome Sherry!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 14, 2008, 11:12:32 PM
I may be in the minority here but I really liked Greta and her panel tonight.  They HATE Joran.  The world HATES Joran.  Under the rules of law in Aruba, the chances of him being re-detained for a 3rd time was nearly zero.  We shouldn't be surprised at the decision.  Joran is in his own private hell, he's not safe anywhere.

Now we need to keep the pressure on, go after the big fish.  I'm hoping that's exactly what DeVries is planning on doing.


I STAND WITH THE GIRL

Klaas, I agree with you,  she went hard on him and Aruba.  Even the panel was more outspoken against this whole mess.

Scandi,, that was a clip from a previous arrest.  He is NOT in jail and probably never will be, unless the Dutch Govt. in NL step up.  That's why I said we need our dutch friends to help us out here! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 11:13:19 PM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.


How's he gonna do that Caps? He was in Aruba many times,The persistence has been in the waters 2 months now and still no Natalee!!!


This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..


Do you realize how many times this man has been let down? I hope you are a man of your word and can help. This family really needs something to go there way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JusticeDawg on February 14, 2008, 11:13:26 PM
I Love Natalee Holloway!

Let's keep the flames of Hell burning on Joran's heels. His life deserves to be ran in the ground. He should be terrified to go out in any public place.

He don't deserve to breath fresh air.

His maker will see that he pays for his crime!

JusticeDawg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 14, 2008, 11:15:07 PM
Welcome, Sherry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 11:16:30 PM
Paulus: Deepak, why don't you bring Satish and Nadira over tonight. My wife can make a nice dinner - Joran, by way of government motorcade, will home this evening. Allow this to be a big thank you for all of the trouble you guys have endured.

Deepak: OK. Maybe we can talk about our lawsuit, too.

Paulus: Sounds like a great idea to me, considering our families and friends will soon be multi-millionaires for life. We are just waiting for our "big, fat compensation checks." By the way, a few of my firends will be here to assist us with the matter.

Deepak: Who ??

Paulus: Uncle Jan, Rudy, Nelson, Denny, Bob, Ben, Julia, Koen, Sander and their parents, and a few other people. Lorenzo may stop by as well. If you want to invite Freddy and Steve, feel free - OK ??

Deepak: Can I invite Daury?? You're crazy, Mr.V !!! Haha...

Paulus: If you can find him. Good one. Haha...Are you still out of minutes on your cell phone?? Haha...

Deepak: No. Haha...Wanna go to McDonald's instead?? Haha...

Paulus: That is so funny !!! Well, gotta run. See you tonight. Don't forget to vacuum the ants out of your car. Hahahaha




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 14, 2008, 11:17:57 PM
I may be in the minority here but I really liked Greta and her panel tonight.  They HATE Joran.  The world HATES Joran.  Under the rules of law in Aruba, the chances of him being re-detained for a 3rd time was nearly zero.  We shouldn't be surprised at the decision.  Joran is in his own private hell, he's not safe anywhere.

Now we need to keep the pressure on, go after the big fish.  I'm hoping that's exactly what DeVries is planning on doing.


I STAND WITH THE GIRL

You know, as much as I feel today was not a good day, I too believe we need to keep our eye on the ball. The Pitbull will come through, I have a strong feeling about that. That man exudes a sense of purpose and singularity of focus that is extremely rare. With Joran no longer the lead story, the corruption angle takes center stage.

KEEP THE FAITH!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:19:57 PM
I did disagree with Greta when she said the current prosecutor had mishandled the info and should have used the opportunity to get more info before all this was made public.  Did Peter Devries give him that option?  I don't think he did.  JVDS is a threat to society and Taco's statement about his needing help hopefully means that if isn't incarcerated for the crime, perhaps he will be locked down for treatment.  Not that I think it will help him, but at least the public will be protected.

I am hoping the investigation is continued and PVDS can be tied to Natalee's disappearance.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 14, 2008, 11:20:17 PM
Joran will never be cured of his disease. He has too many people who will bail him out. They are not doing him any good at all.  As long as there are the mom and pop and Joe T. (an American traitor) and Renho, MIP6, Reality, and on and on he will never own up to what he did.  This is much more than Joran. It is Paulus and the other big wheels in Aruba. My gawd, what have they done to Natalee.  I agree with all here:

I STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE AND HER FAMILY BETH, DAVE, JUG, ROBIN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:23:41 PM
Is any of that reward money still available to someone who will provide info?  Seems like now would be a really good time to publicize it. . .somebody knows what happened. . .if they are offered immunity and money, I think somebody would talk now.  Unless somebody else is offering them more money. . .and since the big fat compensation check is now out the window (one would presume), maybe this is the only chance an informant would have to cash in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 11:23:49 PM
I wrote this a few days ago, I think it underscores the strategy of the corrupt:

You just nailed it. That is how deep this cover-up runs that you would bring a guy back in knowing full well you don't have any new evidence. Why do that? The only reason is to, as you say, "elevate the bar", so that the standard that would have to be applied IF new evidence were to surface in the future would be completely out of reach, giving the prosecution no possible means to secure a conviction.

What is truely amazing is that they have gone to extraordinary lengths to protect the Van Der Satan's all the while causing so much collateral damage one has to wonder which crime is more heinous.

May GOD have mercy on their souls.

I totally agree. Same as witness vs suspect manipulation.

They have spent extraordinary resources to "not prosecute" the case. A percentage of those resources would have been spent to "prosecute"this case and move on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:27:07 PM
Don't know if there are any Calvin and Hobbes fans here. . .but Calvin plays a game called Calvin Ball.  The only rule is that the rules keep changing.. . . you just make them up to fit the circumstances.  This case has always reminded me of a game of Calvin Ball.. .this case and the Super Delegate situation are classic Calvin Ball games.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:29:31 PM
What is the status of trying JVDS in the US?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 11:30:34 PM
CapsLock, I don't know you, but if I were you, I would be a bit careful about saying things like that.  JVDS could very well wind up being taken out and you don't want that kind of trouble to deal with.  Tonight when Taco announced the judges' decision, the first thing I thought is that Joran might be marked.

Bluebob - he's talking about finding Natalee's body.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BlueBob on February 14, 2008, 11:32:20 PM
Thanks, Klaas, it sounded like something else.  Well, if he could find Natalee's body, then, in the vernacular, why ain't he done done it already?  No need to ask permission, ya know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: kpg on February 14, 2008, 11:32:42 PM
Who are the judges that denied his apprehension?


Will  the arubans name them?

Will the dutch name them?








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 11:35:41 PM
Who are the judges that denied his apprehension?


Will  the arubans name them?

Will the dutch name them?








I don't know.  Maybe we'll find out their names tomorrow but I doubt it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on February 14, 2008, 11:43:16 PM
GRETA OTR 2.14.2008

#!1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Z1HwSsJDE


#2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2W2vQTqXdY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on February 14, 2008, 11:45:04 PM
Don't know if there are any Calvin and Hobbes fans here. . .but Calvin plays a game called Calvin Ball.  The only rule is that the rules keep changing.. . . you just make them up to fit the circumstances.  This case has always reminded me of a game of Calvin Ball.. .this case and the Super Delegate situation are classic Calvin Ball games.

Yes I have played it

now here is what I will see that is going to happend:

He will seek complete protection (Shield) and imunity...Extradite him...

We need to extablish a court and condem him in absentia.

then extradite him.

Remeber the BlindLady with the Justice balance, The Holloway's tray is empty while the Sloot's tray is full of (Thrue and Lies) and is now full.

The Tray of the Holloway's have no weight.

The lady is standing one foot in the Dutch court and the other foot in the USA Court but the Holloway's tray is empty.

This is the end of the legal line, either we fill the empty tray to bring justice otherwise everything in the Sloot's will be trown out. And Asume that the body shows up when we have a dry season. it will be too late.

CAPS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 11:46:17 PM
For as good and noble of a job as Peter DeVries has done, his efforts may fall to the wayside........THIS TIME.

His efforts will be portrayed as him "acting too hasty." Everyone will blame him for not waiting long enough, allowing the taping to go on more months. Patrick was bullshitting by saying that he had to stop the taping because it wore too much on his conscience.

Joran may partially learn his lesson to never speak of the disappearance unless to Paulus.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 11:47:40 PM
CAPS - Are you saying that if Dave goes to Aruba, you (or someone) can lead him to his daughter's remains right now? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Sue on February 14, 2008, 11:48:09 PM
Posted on gretawire  ::MonkeyHaHa::

February 14th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
We could put Joran in a boat and send him into the ocean where the satellite is supposed to come down. THAT’S NOT WATERBOARDING…………


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 11:48:45 PM
I'm glad Tacopina acknowledged there is actually EVIDENCE.

His associate admitted last night this was a "horrific crime."

Its this actually considered a crime, OFFICIALLY?

If so, how do they know?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 14, 2008, 11:51:18 PM
Well since we are back to square one, what's next?  Aruba will now be spouting about them not allowing Joran back on Aruba...ever again.  That should fix everything.  Come on back all you tourists...it's party time!  Did I say I really dislike that place?

I feel sorry for all those Arubans that are just now realizing how bad their government really is.  When is the next election?  Not soon enough for them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: anidac on February 14, 2008, 11:52:46 PM
Hate to ask a stupid question this late but I haven't been able to see news or log on since last night.  Was there any indication today concerning a possible re-arrest any time soon?  I have stopped holding my breath these days.  I will try to catch up on some reading in the cage tomorrow hopefully.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 14, 2008, 11:53:18 PM
Posted on the front page of SM:

weasel wrote:


#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 14, 2008, 11:56:42 PM
Posted on the front page of SM:

weasel wrote:


#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?



Why pay him if you are going to kill him?  :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 14, 2008, 11:56:48 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about13419.html

about shango.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 14, 2008, 11:56:56 PM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.

Because it is not in the Ocean....They never went to the Ocean

The time bo not allow it.

It takes advanced planning to do it. if you want to keep it a secret, you have to keep the circle small
This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..

This disturbs me.  If you know where Natalee's body is and have not told until whatever it is you're waiting for, then I have to wonder if you're not suffering the same disorder as Joran and Daddy Sloot.  Please tell me I misinterpreted this comment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 14, 2008, 11:57:14 PM
Let's be realistic, this case is far from over.

Paulus van der sloot is under pressure. Pressure to speak the truth or get out.

They are not celebrating in the van der sloot world.

It's just one more moment which shall pass. It's far from over. When the kalpoe's stay broke and the relatives are looked at sideways something will give.

Blood is thicker than water until it isn't. We're close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 14, 2008, 11:58:04 PM
Posted on the front page of SM:

weasel wrote:


#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?


First they said it was Natalee that was dead and announced it in the newspaper. Then the next day they said it was a 17 year old boy that died of a seizure while swimming. In Jorans book he hears this and ANita gets on the phone to call her source to find out.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 15, 2008, 12:00:07 AM
Keepthefaith.I believe this is just the beginning.There is yet more to come.I just pray to Natalee,as well as the lord before justice is truly served that not another Beautiful Soul has to be taken at the hands of any of the Sinister men that walk that island.I truly believe Natalee's work has only begun and it's up to us to continue to keep the heat on.Silence is torture as Joran has already found out.It gets no easier for him from here on out.The Aruban establishment had to have secret judges give this order cause the eyes of the world are watching.What is your Excuse now Oduber,Jacobs,Vocking,Wit,Smid,Dompig,Janssen,VDS family.You are walking in a living hell.We will ccontinue to watch from afar.No more room for mistakes.None.We're watching.Babbling...........

Keepthefaith


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about13419.html

about shango.

i wish the pictures, which may be here, could be posted.
i do not know how to post them here.
a good chuckle would be nice. they are humerous.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 12:00:39 AM
Intersting.

Good work by Diario,, have they followed up on that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:01:04 AM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.

Because it is not in the Ocean....They never went to the Ocean

The time bo not allow it.

It takes advanced planning to do it. if you want to keep it a secret, you have to keep the circle small
This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..

This disturbs me.  If you know where Natalee's body is and have not told until whatever it is you're waiting for, then I have to wonder if you're not suffering the same disorder as Joran and Daddy Sloot.  Please tell me I misinterpreted this comment.
Quote
I think he is trying to help SGG,he does not know where her body is,but i do want to warn caps for his own safety and also not to let this Family down. I think he is implying the Arubans will take it into there own hands.MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 12:03:06 AM
Tks for talking me down *******...nearly got my bloomers in a twist there


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: for natalie on February 15, 2008, 12:06:02 AM
For as good and noble of a job as Peter DeVries has done, his efforts may fall to the wayside........THIS TIME.

His efforts will be portrayed as him "acting too hasty." Everyone will blame him for not waiting long enough, allowing the taping to go on more months. Patrick was bullshitting by saying that he had to stop the taping because it wore too much on his conscience.

Joran may partially learn his lesson to never speak of the disappearance unless to Paulus.




someone mentioned that Patrick went to Croes first  so there was an awareness of Patrick.  Joran could have played Patrick because he was told that Patrick was trying to sell information,  Once again  the truth  is blocked.  There is so much we do not know regarding what the real business that is conducted in Holland and on the islands...it is not about Natalee nor Joran, it is about covering the network of individuals who have lots to lose.  When sm showed the relatives of Paulus Maximus and their occupations ..... what is there to say...layers of layers of connections..again,  we do not know the real business conducted.  Who knows, maybe they are getting sick of Joran too, and he may be signed into rehab  by his family or meet with some mishap.  No Joran, no more questions    I do not know the politics in Aruba and the other islands related to Holland,   someone earlier this week  mentioned  Chavez having an interest in the islands.   The islands offer lots of potential for business other than tourism.   If everyone is focused on tourism, they do not "see" what is really going on in paradise.  I do believe we will find out what happened to Natalee.  remember how the Kennedy's relative was tried 20 years after a murder in New England...God still is in charge and  truth will prevail.  I am for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:06:12 AM
I may be in the minority here but I really liked Greta and her panel tonight.  They HATE Joran.  The world HATES Joran.  Under the rules of law in Aruba, the chances of him being re-detained for a 3rd time was nearly zero.  We shouldn't be surprised at the decision.  Joran is in his own private hell, he's not safe anywhere.

Now we need to keep the pressure on, go after the big fish.  I'm hoping that's exactly what DeVries is planning on doing.


I STAND WITH THE GIRL

I agree and thought Greta and her panel were unusually forceful and animated and in lockstep with the Monkeys tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 12:06:13 AM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about13419.html

about shango.

That's a joke, you know that right?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:07:18 AM
But there was martial law under the Marshall Plan

yes sir and in the effort to save key storkes - I dropped it.

anyway - I just asked Carpe to see what he could do with the old PVDS photo and the Lorenzo photo. I, personally don't expect anything.


It is kind of confusing. I knew something was wrong but until Tyler said it I didn't get it:)

Martial Law is imposed when a government is considered too corrupt to govern
itself successfully or after a war or a coup when there is instability.
Gunslinger was right it was imposed on Phoenix City, AL after all the corruption
was exposed there.  It has been used worldwide.
The Marshall Plan is used to help a country rebuild after war or disaster



And it is Phenix City, Alabama, not Phoenix, as in Arizona. :)  Former resident who thought that spelling strange.

Thank you, Tyler, I had never noticed that.  What's an 'o' here and there? ::MonkeyLaugh::

Magnolia, they did that so we rednecks would not pronounced in phonics :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:09:28 AM
Are they seriously considering martial law?  Oh, gee, ya' think ALE and their justice system is corrupt? 

GOOD MORNING!  Wake up to the real world Aruba!
Aruba is like an inner city with crime, drugs, murder, coersion, etc.

Is it possible that the FBI take over the case and charge, at least, a civil case in the USA? 

I hope he rots in .....y'know

Shrinking Monk
Shrink no one in America can do anything that I know of..The Dutch Govt must do something or this will never be solved.IMO

Hell, the president can't even get the frigging congress to agree on wire-tapping terrorists' phones.  WTH can anyone here do?  That congress is deserving of its 12% approval rating.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:10:14 AM
The loudest thing I heard Taco say was that the judges actually had evidence to disprove what Joran said to Patrick.  Surely Taco was just twisting words.  How could they possibly have evidence to disprove the truth.  If they truly did, they wouldn't reopen the case.


Romney 2012
Romney VP 2008


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:11:21 AM
Tks for talking me down *******...nearly got my bloomers in a twist there
YW.. ::MonkeyCool::

Welcome to all the new monkeys :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: for natalie on February 15, 2008, 12:12:02 AM
Posted on the front page of SM:

weasel wrote:


#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?


First they said it was Natalee that was dead and announced it in the newspaper. Then the next day they said it was a 17 year old boy that died of a seizure while swimming. In Jorans book he hears this and ANita gets on the phone to call her source to find out.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)


The poor boy died of a "seizure"   did someone ask his family if He had a problem with "seizures" too?   Great ad...come to Aruba, but if you have seizures it may be hazardous to your health....God please help us!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:15:13 AM
For as good and noble of a job as Peter DeVries has done, his efforts may fall to the wayside........THIS TIME.

His efforts will be portrayed as him "acting too hasty." Everyone will blame him for not waiting long enough, allowing the taping to go on more months. Patrick was bullshitting by saying that he had to stop the taping because it wore too much on his conscience.

Joran may partially learn his lesson to never speak of the disappearance unless to Paulus.





You must listen to the old political correctness (just like I do) that has decimated our country.  Yes, I agree with you, P&P will become the villains for coercing poor innocent Joran into testimony after they had "drugged him."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 12:15:34 AM
I have the feeling if we invaded Aruba with weapons drawn, they still wouldn't give up Joran or Daddy Sloot.  And I'm willing to bet my last dollar that Daddy holds at least as much responsibility for Natalee's disappearance as Joran.  I still think he should be given a reason to sweat until his "personality disorder" can be dealt with as well.  And Mama Sloot - she's just wicked, evil, nasty and mean.  I wouldn't want her teaching my dog, never mind a child.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:16:02 AM
Posted on the front page of SM:

weasel wrote:


#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?


First they said it was Natalee that was dead and announced it in the newspaper. Then the next day they said it was a 17 year old boy that died of a seizure while swimming. In Jorans book he hears this and ANita gets on the phone to call her source to find out.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)


The poor boy died of a "seizure"   did someone ask his family if He had a problem with "seizures" too?   Great ad...come to Aruba, but if you have seizures it may be hazardous to your health....God please help us!

http://www.mementomori.net/05139.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:20:00 AM
Posted on the front page of SM:

weasel wrote:


#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?



Totally not out of the realm of possibility.  Perhaps Joran paid him and Paulus knew that was not good enough, so he had the deed done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 15, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
CAPS - Are you saying that if Dave goes to Aruba, you (or someone) can lead him to his daughter's remains right now? 

I wondered about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 12:24:06 AM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/j0zoll.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:27:42 AM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/j0zoll.jpg)

Saturday June 4th 2005 (Jorans Book)

On a certain moment the mobile phone of Joran's mother ringed. She
stood up and went outside.
After a while she came back and said that she had heard from a friend
that they had found the girl.
She asked Joran's father to call Van Der Straaten and verify this.
Joran's father called Van Der Straaten, but he did not answer his phone.

Then we have this article that says Natalee was dead but later said the story was wrong it was a 16 year old boy who died not Natalee. Error in reporting?

http://www.mementomori.net/05139.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 15, 2008, 12:28:00 AM
That funeral thing looks phony to me. As I recall, we went over every single death on the island during those first few weeks. I don't remember this one.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:29:04 AM
That funeral thing looks phony to me. As I recall, we went over every single death on the island during those first few weeks. I don't remember this one.



I do. I have them saved and it was always there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 12:30:53 AM
That funeral thing looks phony to me. As I recall, we went over every single death on the island during those first few weeks. I don't remember this one.


There was another death on that day, I googled th ename and it was listed in the archives of SM.

http://www.mementomori.net/05138.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:31:08 AM
Wonder if Natalee's body was put in his coffin or if he was cremated by our friend, or Rene.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 12:34:12 AM
Wonder if Natalee's body was put in his coffin or if he was cremated by our friend, or Rene.

My initital reaction was that such a cold calculating manuever could not possible be in the cards....then I remembered the evil we are facing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 12:37:59 AM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about13419.html

about shango.

That's a joke, you know that right?  ::MonkeyWink::

I do know that it is a joke.
That face is just too funny !!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 12:39:56 AM
In defense of Capslockwizard.    I'm confused, so feel the need to speak up for Caps.  Several are questioning this poster, but this is a Dutch poster and has been a big help.  When he/she says 'WE',  they stand with us and want to help from a Dutch standpoint.   So I'm not sure how anybody got confused with his/her post?...   After reading Caps posts for a little while now,  I totaly understood what they were saying..   I am TOTALLY grateful for our new dutch friends!  And all the new Monkeys!   WELCOME TO ALL! ;)

my 2 cents... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 12:40:07 AM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about13419.html

about shango.

That's a joke, you know that right?  ::MonkeyWink::

I do know that it is a joke.
That face is just too funny !!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, let's give credit where credit is due.  RU deals with a lot of creativity.  Have you ever seen as many designer lies in your life?  Why, if you asked where Glenda is, you might hear something like, "After hearing the psychics, she has gone out and rented a backhoe...."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 12:40:27 AM
For as good and noble of a job as Peter DeVries has done, his efforts may fall to the wayside........THIS TIME.

His efforts will be portrayed as him "acting too hasty." Everyone will blame him for not waiting long enough, allowing the taping to go on more months. Patrick was bullshitting by saying that he had to stop the taping because it wore too much on his conscience.

Joran may partially learn his lesson to never speak of the disappearance unless to Paulus.

Meant to add: Highly possible Joran was tipped off at a certain point. Would not be hard to believe, considering some of the other aspects of this case.


someone mentioned that Patrick went to Croes first  so there was an awareness of Patrick.  Joran could have played Patrick because he was told that Patrick was trying to sell information,  Once again  the truth  is blocked.  There is so much we do not know regarding what the real business that is conducted in Holland and on the islands...it is not about Natalee nor Joran, it is about covering the network of individuals who have lots to lose.  When sm showed the relatives of Paulus Maximus and their occupations ..... what is there to say...layers of layers of connections..again,  we do not know the real business conducted.  Who knows, maybe they are getting sick of Joran too, and he may be signed into rehab  by his family or meet with some mishap.  No Joran, no more questions    I do not know the politics in Aruba and the other islands related to Holland,   someone earlier this week  mentioned  Chavez having an interest in the islands.   The islands offer lots of potential for business other than tourism.   If everyone is focused on tourism, they do not "see" what is really going on in paradise.  I do believe we will find out what happened to Natalee.  remember how the Kennedy's relative was tried 20 years after a murder in New England...God still is in charge and  truth will prevail.  I am for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:47:43 AM
Who did Anita get the tip from? And why did she say the girl had been found and why was it printed in the newspaper 3 days later that way?
------------------------------

Saturday June 4th 2005 (Jorans Book)

On a certain moment the mobile phone of Joran's mother ringed. She
stood up and went outside.
After a while she came back and said that she had heard from a friend
that they had found the girl.
She asked Joran's father to call Van Der Straaten and verify this.
Joran's father called Van Der Straaten, but he did not answer his phone.

Then we have this article that says Natalee was dead but later said the story was wrong it was a 16 year old boy who died drowning(seizure)not Natalee on the north shore. Error in reporting? Does that look like the north shore of Aruba?
http://www.mementomori.net/05139.html
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)
--------------------------------------
#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 12:51:21 AM
In defense of Capslockwizard.   


I'm sorry if my question was offensive.  I vividly remember "helpful"  posters in the past that I questioned (Tito was one) who ultimately fell from Monkey grace due to comments made.  It's just that when one has the temerity to suggest that all that's necessary is for Dave to hop down to Aruba and retrieve Natalee's body, and he/she "has it all arranged this time" it seems to me that this individual actually might have information we've all been seeking for THREE years.  If so, I proudly stand by my question.  I merely asked for a clarification on the post, rightfully so, IMO.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 12:57:30 AM
In defense of Capslockwizard.   


I'm sorry if my question was offensive.  I vividly remember "helpful"  posters in the past that I questioned (Tito was one) who ultimately fell from Monkey grace due to comments made.  It's just that when one has the temerity to suggest that all that's necessary is for Dave to hop down to Aruba and retrieve Natalee's body, and he/she "has it all arranged this time" it seems to me that this individual actually might have information we've all been seeking for THREE years.  If so, I proudly stand by my question.  I merely asked for a clarification on the post, rightfully so, IMO.  

SouthGeorgiaGirl - first off good to see you!  I'm sure Capslock wasn't upset by your post.  What Capslock means is that he has a very good theory on where Natalee's body might be on land. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Port Valerie on February 15, 2008, 12:58:38 AM
That funeral thing looks phony to me. As I recall, we went over every single death on the island during those first few weeks. I don't remember this one.



I do. I have them saved and it was always there.

I'll take your word for it. The only deaths I remember were not in this age group, but it was a long time ago. I guess I've forgotten.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 12:59:19 AM
In defense of Capslockwizard.   


I'm sorry if my question was offensive.  I vividly remember "helpful"  posters in the past that I questioned (Tito was one) who ultimately fell from Monkey grace due to comments made.  It's just that when one has the temerity to suggest that all that's necessary is for Dave to hop down to Aruba and retrieve Natalee's body, and he/she "has it all arranged this time" it seems to me that this individual actually might have information we've all been seeking for THREE years.  If so, I proudly stand by my question.  I merely asked for a clarification on the post, rightfully so, IMO.  

No, no need to be sorry, and you did not offend me. ;)   It's good we question, discuss and debate and you did the right thing.  I think my fear lies in the 'lost in translation' at times, not wanting to offend the dutch posters who appear to be helping in there own way.  We need them now and I don't want to isolate them.   No doubt, we've had some from Aruba who had us all looking like fools in our belief of them in the beginning.  I am trying to remain optimistice in the Dutch posters from the Netherlands who see Aruba as a thorn in there side.

So all is good?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 01:00:09 AM
******* - good point, I hadn't read the AweMainta date.  Guess they forgot to send the "coverup the crime" memo to AwMainta on time?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 01:01:08 AM
Caps:

You here man? Does that pic in Awewainta look like the North shore? I have pics from June 6th when they found the VCB shirt in the colony area(South) and it looks like that same area.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 01:02:44 AM
Caps is an okay person. I suggest we be patient just this once.  I know this because he's toughed it out in the Shango thread with me asking a dozen questions and challenging him every step of the way. Even when I laughed at him...he kept on going and going.  Maybe he's the energizer bunny in disguise?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Hugs to Nemo.  :wink:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 01:04:17 AM
******* - good point, I hadn't read the AweMainta date.  Guess they forgot to send the "coverup the crime" memo to AwMainta on time?
Somethin fishy with that Klaas! It bothered me the first time I saw that article,even more fishy is Anita's friend telling her it was Natalee and then Awemainta saying the same.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 01:04:34 AM
Nite Lala's


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 01:05:02 AM
In defense of Capslockwizard.   


I'm sorry if my question was offensive.  I vividly remember "helpful"  posters in the past that I questioned (Tito was one) who ultimately fell from Monkey grace due to comments made.  It's just that when one has the temerity to suggest that all that's necessary is for Dave to hop down to Aruba and retrieve Natalee's body, and he/she "has it all arranged this time" it seems to me that this individual actually might have information we've all been seeking for THREE years.  If so, I proudly stand by my question.  I merely asked for a clarification on the post, rightfully so, IMO. 

I totally understand and it is difficult for anyone who has not followed the someone esoteric postings by CapsLock, to follow them.  They do seem almost phantom at times, and although I am sure CapsLock is doing great work, I personally understand your wanting to know, same as BlueBob wanting to know as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 01:06:34 AM
Caps is an okay person. I suggest we be patient just this once.  I know this because he's toughed it out in the Shango thread with me asking a dozen questions and challenging him every step of the way. Even when I laughed at him...he kept on going and going.  Maybe he's the energizer bunny in disguise?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Hugs to Nemo.  :wink:


::MonkeyHaHa::  You guys crack me up sometimes!  Where do you come up with these good one-liners?!   What would I do without you all and your humor.     I wub you all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 01:09:32 AM
That funeral thing looks phony to me. As I recall, we went over every single death on the island during those first few weeks. I don't remember this one.



I do. I have them saved and it was always there.

I'll take your word for it. The only deaths I remember were not in this age group, but it was a long time ago. I guess I've forgotten.

There were several young people who died around that time, within the month.  I did the statistics and ratios of deaths under 50 in Aruba to deaths under 50 in my city (which approximate each other in size and population) and found it staggeringly high for their population when compared to ours.  We had 2 deaths under 50 in that same time frame, one of which was a death from leukemia and the other was an accident where kids were driving back from the beach after post-graduation celebration, were hit by a truck and one was killed near the Florida-Alabama line but I was taking the stats from the local funeral home/newspaper obit section. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 01:09:38 AM
's okay everybody.  I ain't gonna freak out.  I'm just sorta direct as my momma would say...with me you know where you stand cause what comes up comes out.  I really mean no disrespect.  Just passionate about the issue of getting Natalee home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 01:12:15 AM
In defense of Capslockwizard.   


I'm sorry if my question was offensive.  I vividly remember "helpful"  posters in the past that I questioned (Tito was one) who ultimately fell from Monkey grace due to comments made.  It's just that when one has the temerity to suggest that all that's necessary is for Dave to hop down to Aruba and retrieve Natalee's body, and he/she "has it all arranged this time" it seems to me that this individual actually might have information we've all been seeking for THREE years.  If so, I proudly stand by my question.  I merely asked for a clarification on the post, rightfully so, IMO. 

I totally understand and it is difficult for anyone who has not followed the someone esoteric postings by CapsLock, to follow them.  They do seem almost phantom at times, and although I am sure CapsLock is doing great work, I personally understand your wanting to know, same as BlueBob wanting to know as well.

Tyler,  as usual, you explain things in such a perfect way.   I could only dream of putting words down so eloquently as you. You always amaze me and I never miss a post from you.   YOU are truly an amazing woman with words! You should write a book...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 01:15:01 AM
's okay everybody.  I ain't gonna freak out.  I'm just sorta direct as my momma would say...with me you know where you stand cause what comes up comes out.  I really mean no disrespect.  Just passionate about the issue of getting Natalee home.

That's a good thing,  I wish I could be more outspoken than I am.   I tend hold back until it's too late, or worse, speak before I think! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 01:15:13 AM
Dihannah, you are sweet to say that, but I am just a student of flackery and skullduggery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 01:17:23 AM
Lala's - tks...I'm gonna read the Shango thread tomorrow to get to know this person better, cause he/she has me plumb baffled at the moment.  I've lurked a lot I know, but I rarely missed a page in the Case discussion.  I just haven't stepped out of the cage a lot to read other threads.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 01:19:20 AM
Dihannah, you are sweet to say that, but I am just a student of flackery and skullduggery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  YOu should be an English teacher or a writer!  LOL

I'm hitting the bunky now.  You all have sweet dreams and pray we can find another route to a solution.  I do believe some of our dutch posters can helps us in that area.  Keep the faith!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 01:20:14 AM
Nite Dihannah


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 01:32:01 AM
Telegraaf.nl article (Translated)

   
Joran remains free
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That has its Dutch lawyer from the court on Curaçao told.


Following the confessions of Joran in the program by Peter R. De Vries, a new study done. The confession is not enough, according to the court more often because Joran has lied and what he says is not supported by other data.

Joran himself said after the broadcast that he had invented full confession. The Public Prosecutor and the court will not rule out that he has a personality disorder, reports the NIS
--------------------------------------------------------------

Police explained Aruba not on infiltrator
THE HAGUE --

The police does not satisfy the Aruban authorities that Patrick van der Eem had communicated with the message that Joran van der Sloot against him probably would discuss the case Natalee Holloway. That has Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (Justice) Thursday responded to questions from the Lower House.


Patrick van der Eem, which ultimately by Peter R. De Vries is used as a mole, are reported to the police last autumn-central Gelderland. That was not with him in the sea, because the man a condition suggested it is contrary to the rules. Hirsch Ballin is not in his reply on this condition, in relation to the privacy of Van der Eem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on February 15, 2008, 01:33:24 AM
Quote
Who did Anita get the tip from? And why did she say the girl had been found and why was it printed in the newspaper 3 days later that way?
------------------------------

Saturday June 4th 2005 (Jorans Book)

On a certain moment the mobile phone of Joran's mother ringed. She
stood up and went outside.
After a while she came back and said that she had heard from a friend
that they had found the girl.
She asked Joran's father to call Van Der Straaten and verify this.
Joran's father called Van Der Straaten, but he did not answer his phone.

Then we have this article that says Natalee was dead but later said the story was wrong it was a 16 year old boy who died drowning(seizure)not Natalee on the north shore. Error in reporting? Does that look like the north shore of Aruba?
http://www.mementomori.net/05139.html
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)

Yes, this is the North shore.  Look at the waves in the background.  Waves are in the north, calm is on the south








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 01:46:41 AM
WE HAVE SEEN THE DUTCH SYSTEM AND IT SUCKS!

Greta did make a good point, why do these Dutch prosecutors shoot their mouths off only to get their teeth slapped down their throats. Thaty haven't done shit, they won't do shit, so why don't they keep their fuggin' traps shut? They look like hapless fools.

... and it is outright cruelty to the family of Natalee Holloway.  They have been riding the emotional roller coaster from H--- for almost three years ... compliments of both prosecutors as well as the judiciary.

Janet

++++++++++

Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007


Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html



John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
December 4, 2007


JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on February 15, 2008, 01:51:49 AM
North east, to north west is very rough, more in the north east.....south west, and south east are very calm but have currents when you get to a certain point.  Look at where the tattoo is moored, its always calm.  Then look at where the Natural Bridge is.....  I thought I was going to go diving there when I got there, LOLOLOL, I found out I would never be able to do that.  Even though there is Diving there, it is for advanced people.  That is also where the caves in the water are.  Like someone said, if she went over those rocks there, there will always be something to find stuck in those caves, but it is too trecherous to even get to that point for searching. 

I Guess I Scared everyone away again  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 01:52:18 AM
GRETA OTR 2.14.2008

#!1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9Z1HwSsJDE


#2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2W2vQTqXdY

Thank you Carpe.  You are sure appreciated.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: texasmom on February 15, 2008, 01:58:54 AM
North east, to north west is very rough, more in the north east.....south west, and south east are very calm but have currents when you get to a certain point.  Look at where the tattoo is moored, its always calm.  Then look at where the Natural Bridge is.....  I thought I was going to go diving there when I got there, LOLOLOL, I found out I would never be able to do that.  Even though there is Diving there, it is for advanced people.  That is also where the caves in the water are.  Like someone said, if she went over those rocks there, there will always be something to find stuck in those caves, but it is too trecherous to even get to that point for searching. 

I Guess I Scared everyone away again  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm not skeeeerrrd, Hotshot ::MonkeyHaHa::
I've spent most of the evening trying to catch up and in deep thought about some of the things I've read.  I thought that they had sent divers into some of the caves in the area you're referring to at one time.  It may have been in another area though, I remember being relieved that they were finally sending divers in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 02:04:32 AM
Was I the only one that caught Joe trying to blame Patrick and Peter instead of blaming Joran, Anita and Paulus for the low down piece of DSE overgrown, mental midget that Joran has become. 

That sleazy Joe is paid to make Peter & Patrick look bad and place the blame there.  He and Anita are fit for each other, she blaming Natalee for her demise and wanting the "parents investigated" and that greasy-headed mob lawyer blaming Peter & Patrick for what that low-life subhuman byproduct.

It's a VRWC, I swear,trying to frame the helpless baby Hugo Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 02:06:41 AM
Who did Anita get the tip from? And why did she say the girl had been found and why was it printed in the newspaper 3 days later that way?
------------------------------

Saturday June 4th 2005 (Jorans Book)

On a certain moment the mobile phone of Joran's mother ringed. She
stood up and went outside.
After a while she came back and said that she had heard from a friend
that they had found the girl.
She asked Joran's father to call Van Der Straaten and verify this.
Joran's father called Van Der Straaten, but he did not answer his phone.

Then we have this article that says Natalee was dead but later said the story was wrong it was a 16 year old boy who died drowning(seizure)not Natalee on the north shore. Error in reporting? Does that look like the north shore of Aruba?
http://www.mementomori.net/05139.html
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)
--------------------------------------
#2. I saw that stuff on Michelle-blogspot. That is just too weird. How did he die ?
——————————————-
A confidential source came forward with some interesting information. The source specifically stated:
“There was a teenage boy, 17, who saw Joran and Natalee at the lighthouse that night. Joran paid this boy not to say anything. He has curly hair and dark skin.”
Kerwin Anthony Orville Goijla
13 Aug 1988 - 04 Jun 2005
After some research, you will see that this boy, aged 17, died 4 days after Natalee went missing. Age 17. Curly hair. Dark skin.
Coincidence? His cause of death has not been listed. Murder? Suicide? Accident? Did this young boy know something?



******* ... Thank you.

Is this the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on February 15, 2008, 02:08:56 AM


Quote
I'm not skeeeerrrd, Hotshot ::MonkeyHaHa::
I've spent most of the evening trying to catch up and in deep thought about some of the things I've read.  I thought that they had sent divers into some of the caves in the area you're referring to at one time.  It may have been in another area though, I remember being relieved that they were finally sending divers in.

Yes they did, but they didnt search the whole NW to NE, they only did certain parts.  I do recall though that they couldn't do "great" searches because it was too rough.  Remember the blue blanket type thing that was hanging off one of the cliffs?  Jossys guys went over there and lowered themselves down into the water to search for it, and even found caves they didn't even know they had there.  They didn't find the blanket/tarp as for they were told the wrong side to search, and I am guessing they never went back to look on the other side.  It's really a sad thing that they "wont" do a search of that side of the island.  I am told that the tarp is still there.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on February 15, 2008, 02:14:21 AM
I am just so disgusted from today that I need to log off now, or I am going to get banned.  My feelings toward all of this are getting the best of me.  If this had been here in the USA, things would be sooooooo different!  I want to know who those Judges are, and I am so hoping none of them have the name of smid, or smit (sp).  F*^&*() corrupt POS place the Antillies is.  I am going to go and calm down now.  Thanks for letting me vent.  Sorry Klaas.  They will all have to answer to someone some day.  One way or another!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 02:14:51 AM
Janet, if you are still here, do you know the time line on "changing the statements" from the "lighthouse to the holiday inn" to "never went there, only went to the beach."

I am trying to figure if this boy did indeed see Joran at the lighthouse with Natalee, and knows he murdered here, then they can change their story as there is not going to be a witness to seeing them at the lighthouse, so they can now go directly to the beach.  One witness is no witness.  Do do do do do do do do do ... echoes of Shango.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 02:16:31 AM
Scanning this thread I did not come across this transcript from February 13, 2008 which was posted on Greta's website today.

Janet

++++++++++++

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330703,00.html

Will Joran van der Sloot Be Re-Arrested?
Thursday, February 14, 2008


GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Now, Les Levine is a private investigator working for Joran van der Sloot's defense team, and he joins us live in New York. Welcome, Les.

LES LEVINE, INVESTIGATOR FOR JORAN'S LAWYERS: Thanks, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Les, have you had a chance to talk to any of the lawyers in connection with this filing today?

LEVINE: I spoke to Joe a little while ago.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he tell you?

LEVINE: He told me that they complied with what they had to do and that now it's a case of sitting back and waiting.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, essentially, what they're doing is arguing that he should not be re-arrested, right?

LEVINE: Well, if they're going to re-arrest him based upon the credibility of that alleged confession, then it's obvious they haven't done their homework.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, you say "alleged confession." Most of us who heard it wouldn't call it "alleged." We heard him say it.

LEVINE: Well, you know...

VAN SUSTEREN: You say it's "alleged" when...

(CROSSTALK)

LEVINE: I say it's alleged because it's not substantiated by the facts. That confession was all full of holes, loaded with lies, and it just — it just doesn't — would not stand up in a court of law.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you say that it's full of holes? I mean, it certainly is — it's — I mean, I don't know whether it's true or not, but I mean, it certainly is consistent with what the facts...

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: It's not impossible that that's exactly what happened.

LEVINE: Well, let's take it apart, Greta, if you want to. Supposedly, a telephone call was made by a phone by the pool. That phone was dumped out, and there was no such call. Supposedly, he called this gentleman who was on the island and had a boat. The gentleman not only didn't have a boat, he wasn't on the island.

If you want to go a little step further, he turns over this unfortunate young lady to this gentleman to dispose of and then walks home. I mean, there's no — there's just no credibility. There's just — it just doesn't hold up. None of that alleged confession — and I call it alleged because that's all it was — it was just hype. It was just he talking to a man of dubious character, trying to tell him what he thought he wanted to hear while under the influence of marijuana.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know, it's hard to have much — to like Joran van der Sloot very much, listening that tape. Would you agree with that?

LEVINE: I would think that that's — what he did was horrible. I think he'll spend the rest of his life regretting it. He damaged his mother and his father and the entire defense team. But having said that, it still is just not true.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to his parents?

LEVINE: I've had e-mail contact with his dad.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what is his father saying?

LEVINE: Oh, his father's very disappointed in what Joran did, but it is his son and he's standing by him.

VAN SUSTEREN: As what? I mean, standing by him like he did — that he didn't do it or that he's not immoral?

LEVINE: He's standing by him that he didn't do it because he didn't do it. That's been our position from day one. They focused on him for two-and-a-half years and still haven't been able to prove that he's the perpetrator in this horrific crime. I think that what they did was they focused on him and let many other suspects slip through their fingers. And shame on them for doing that.

VAN SUSTEREN: Like? What other suspects?

LEVINE: Well, I myself, with some of my people, were on that island and went to some of these drug bars and spoke to people who I myself would have brought in for interrogation. We spoke to members of their own beach patrol who said that they're up and down that beach every 20 to 25 minutes, and this didn't happen the way it was supposed to happen.

I just — you know, when you focus on one person and try to prove that that person is guilty and exclude every other possibility, you're going to wind up just where we are today, two-and-a-half years later, multiple arrests, and nothing of any...

VAN SUSTEREN: Except what's profoundly different, though, Les, right now is that — you know, is that for the last two-and-a-half years, people have been trying to search for the answers, and now we have Joran van der Sloot saying, These are the answers. This is what he says on tape. And now after he gets caught on tape, he says, Oh, I was high on dope and those were all lies.

LEVINE: Yes, but it's — forget — even if you want to forget the fact that he was high, there's no substance to what he says. What he says is totally a fabrication. And the prosecution knows that and we know it as his defense team. There's just no truth to what he said.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think the cops were corrupt or inept or this is just a case that couldn't be solved? What's your position?

LEVINE: Well, I don't think they were corrupt, for sure. I hate to use the word "inept," but I certainly feel that they focused in the wrong area, and because of that, perhaps the real perpetrator has gotten away with this horrific crime.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is Joran worried that he's going to get arrested?

LEVINE: Well, I think he's — as any human being would be, he's concerned. He doesn't want to go through this process again. But I think he's...

VAN SUSTEREN: He seems sort of — you know what the problem is? He seems sort of arrogant, like he doesn't care, listening to that tape.

LEVINE: Well, you know, you — look, this kid has gone through the rigors of hell for two-and-a-half years, and he's certainly not the same Joran who we met two-and-a-half years ago. But he certainly — I can't tell you he's not concerned that he won't be re-arrested, but he's confident in the fact he didn't do the deed, and therefore, this, too, shall pass.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, I don't know if this, too, shall pass, but we'll certainly learn tomorrow or Friday whether or not he'll be re-arrested. Les, thank you.

LEVINE: Thank you, Greta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 02:18:24 AM

******* ... Thank you.

Is this the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba?

Janet
Hi Janet,I think this is the NW shore but I will see if I can find there paper the next day where they said it was. That NE area that you are talking about I hear is very rough and rocky.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 02:19:47 AM
Janet, if you are still here, do you know the time line on "changing the statements" from the "lighthouse to the holiday inn" to "never went there, only went to the beach."

I am trying to figure if this boy did indeed see Joran at the lighthouse with Natalee, and knows he murdered here, then they can change their story as there is not going to be a witness to seeing them at the lighthouse, so they can now go directly to the beach.  One witness is no witness.  Do do do do do do do do do ... echoes of Shango.

Tylergal ... I do have that timeline somewhere.  However ... I am wiped.  I was out for the evening and ... was just catching up prior to hitting the sack.  I will touch base with you in the morning.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
11:30 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 02:21:25 AM

******* ... Thank you.

Is this the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba?

Janet
Hi Janet,I think this is the NW shore but I will see if I can find there paper the next day where they said it was. That NE area that you are talking about I hear is very rough and rocky.

Thank you *******.

Good Night.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 02:23:04 AM
Janet, if you are still here, do you know the time line on "changing the statements" from the "lighthouse to the holiday inn" to "never went there, only went to the beach."

I am trying to figure if this boy did indeed see Joran at the lighthouse with Natalee, and knows he murdered here, then they can change their story as there is not going to be a witness to seeing them at the lighthouse, so they can now go directly to the beach.  One witness is no witness.  Do do do do do do do do do ... echoes of Shango.

Tylergal ... I do have that timeline somewhere.  However ... I am wiped.  I was out for the evening and ... was just catching up prior to hitting the sack.  I will touch base with you in the morning.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
11:30 PM

Thank you, Janet.  You go to bed.  You deserve the rest.  You are everybody's diary! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 02:23:24 AM
JUNIT-IA on June 7th, 2005 6:10 pm (SM FP)

The picture you saw with the ambulance is alocal boy who ws swimming at Conchi, he had a epileptic attack in the water and drowned. It’s a boy 16 years old. Not Natalee.
HOWEVER
natalee ta morto pero na a haja e curpa ainda=
natalee is dead but the body has not bean found
-----------------------
#  Amy on June 8th, 2005 8:18 am

On the top of the heading it says: “Tin tur indication cu:”(in small print)
which means
“All indication show that Natalee is dead but there no body been found yet.”
---------------------------------
#  lisinopril on July 22nd, 2005 3:04 pm

lisinopril

You may find it interesting to check some relevant information in the field of ambien amitriptyline

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-is-dead-rest-in-peace/
Night Janet  :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: texasmom on February 15, 2008, 02:24:00 AM
I am just so disgusted from today that I need to log off now, or I am going to get banned.  My feelings toward all of this are getting the best of me.  If this had been here in the USA, things would be sooooooo different!  I want to know who those Judges are, and I am so hoping none of them have the name of smid, or smit (sp).  F*^&*() corrupt POS place the Antillies is.  I am going to go and calm down now.  Thanks for letting me vent.  Sorry Klaas.  They will all have to answer to someone some day.  One way or another!

I understand how you feel Hotshot, believe me!  It's very frustrating.........But we've got to hang in there!  Get some rest and try to calm your nerves.  We need you here with us until this is resolved.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: texasmom on February 15, 2008, 02:27:18 AM
goodnight Janet!  Enjoyed reading your posts as usual, thanks for all your hard work!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on February 15, 2008, 02:41:47 AM
Klaasend:

The Only way to resolve this Shango (Changa game) is for dave to Come and retrieve the body.

Because it is not in the Ocean....They never went to the Ocean

The time bo not allow it.

It takes advanced planning to do it. if you want to keep it a secret, you have to keep the circle small
This time I have it all arrranged ... He just has to show up

I was waiting to for this ... I told you that we will take the matter in our own hand..

This disturbs me.  If you know where Natalee's body is and have not told until whatever it is you're waiting for, then I have to wonder if you're not suffering the same disorder as Joran and Daddy Sloot.  Please tell me I misinterpreted this comment.


SGGirl - this is a fair comment you have made IMO.  Caps may have the best intentions in the world and I sincerely hope that his theory on Natalee's whereabouts can be proved to be correct.
But we have had so many carrots dangled before us on this and other blogs that it becomes tedious at times.  We are indeed monkeys, not donkeys.      MOO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 02:55:06 AM
Interesting..This is conchi by the natural pool where the Bulgarian man died last month,said he went into shock. Also the same area where Deepak said his Tennis Teacher died years ago,when they confused him talking about Natalee just hours after she dissapeared  ::MonkeyRoll:: This was the guy with blood on his foot. Conchi to me looks nothing like where that Ambualnce picture is saying Natalee was dead,but instead was a 17 year old boy. Where are any rocks in that photo? I am not buying that was conchi!
http://tinyurl.com/2u2dmm
funeraria zepp wever handled his body
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7253/conchifb4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

----------------------------------------
I dont think this is correct as I believe Guido's dad is Robert Wever of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA
-------------------------------------------
From FOK (Dutch Blog)
The arrested person is Guido Wever, father is Frohverd Wever, he is a cousin of Arlene Schipper, he is still in The Netherlands, being interrogated, daily.
This is the guy Joran used as an alibi that Monday afternoon. He said they were playing tennis.
Arlene Schipper van het advocatenkantoor op Aruba Promes van Doorne .
she is now the pr woman and she works for the police

He seems to have moved from Aruba to the Netherlands 14 days after Natalee disappeared.
He was a "croupier" at the HI Casino and had been questioned before by Aruban police.

Frohverd Wever is the brother of sepp wever and Rowald is their son

   
The contacts for this section are:

Mr.. R. O. Wever, head of the Department
Ms. M. M. Croes

Weaver's family had also not a crematorium? Yolanda and zepp weaver
Http://www.zeppwever.com/
Their other son is Guido Wever
The parents of Joran are good friends of the fam Wever and Joran is friends with Guido

The website (http://www.zeppwever.com/ state in the name of:

Domain name: ZEPPWEVER.COM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 03:10:28 AM
Telegraaf.nl article (Translated)

   
Joran remains free
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That has its Dutch lawyer from the court on Curaçao told.


Following the confessions of Joran in the program by Peter R. De Vries, a new study done. The confession is not enough, according to the court more often because Joran has lied and what he says is not supported by other data.

Joran himself said after the broadcast that he had invented full confession. The Public Prosecutor and the court will not rule out that he has a personality disorder, reports the NIS
--------------------------------------------------------------

Police explained Aruba not on infiltrator
THE HAGUE --

The police does not satisfy the Aruban authorities that Patrick van der Eem had communicated with the message that Joran van der Sloot against him probably would discuss the case Natalee Holloway. That has Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (Justice) Thursday responded to questions from the Lower House.


Patrick van der Eem, which ultimately by Peter R. De Vries is used as a mole, are reported to the police last autumn-central Gelderland. That was not with him in the sea, because the man a condition suggested it is contrary to the rules. Hirsch Ballin is not in his reply on this condition, in relation to the privacy of Van der Eem.

What they are saying in the second article is that the Aruban government decided the tapes are inadmissible because Patrick has approached the dutch police about his relationship wit joran and the dutch authorities failed to notify Aruba of this fact. In a nutshell They say it's the fault of the Dutch.

There's something terribly wrong with this world and that island


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Sue on February 15, 2008, 03:11:15 AM


We cant give up , I know Im the quiet one here but I am always here and always prayer
for answers for this family.. we have to pray that some of these tips coming in will pay off or some person just takes Joran and and beats the little fer to death


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 03:16:42 AM
They are saying this death of the 17 year old boy is in conchi on June 4th. I see no rocks and it looks very similar to where the VCB shirt was found 2 days later on June 6th. I could be wrong but I have seen no pictures of Conchi that look like this.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/aruba_20paper.jpg)

Colony Area southern part of the island(Same police scene as finding the VCB SHIRT)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/2418646920086243696rMnIOK_ph.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Evidencefoundincolony.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 03:16:42 AM
Telegraaf.nl article (Translated)

   
Joran remains free
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot is not re-arrested in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba. That has its Dutch lawyer from the court on Curaçao told.


Following the confessions of Joran in the program by Peter R. De Vries, a new study done. The confession is not enough, according to the court more often because Joran has lied and what he says is not supported by other data.

Joran himself said after the broadcast that he had invented full confession. The Public Prosecutor and the court will not rule out that he has a personality disorder, reports the NIS
--------------------------------------------------------------

Police explained Aruba not on infiltrator
THE HAGUE --

The police does not satisfy the Aruban authorities that Patrick van der Eem had communicated with the message that Joran van der Sloot against him probably would discuss the case Natalee Holloway. That has Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin (Justice) Thursday responded to questions from the Lower House.


Patrick van der Eem, which ultimately by Peter R. De Vries is used as a mole, are reported to the police last autumn-central Gelderland. That was not with him in the sea, because the man a condition suggested it is contrary to the rules. Hirsch Ballin is not in his reply on this condition, in relation to the privacy of Van der Eem.

What they are saying in the second article is that the Aruban government decided the tapes are inadmissible because Patrick has approached the dutch police about his relationship wit joran and the dutch authorities failed to notify Aruba of this fact. In a nutshell They say it's the fault of the Dutch.

There's something terribly wrong with this world and that island

They re not saying this literally but if you read between the lines it must have influenced their decision


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2008, 03:20:34 AM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

There is the proof!  No doubt about it.

Rough, but I think its a match:

(http://i26.tinypic.com/1235ni0.jpg)

Could this be a picture of a younger, not thin, not blond Astrid and her husband or Karen J?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 03:27:14 AM

What they are saying in the second article is that the Aruban government decided the tapes are inadmissible because Patrick has approached the dutch police about his relationship wit joran and the dutch authorities failed to notify Aruba of this fact. In a nutshell They say it's the fault of the Dutch.

There's something terribly wrong with this world and that island

Something terribly wrong is correct. They have a bunch of excuses. I am still very suspicious of Hans Mos and his new evidence that was a major breakthrough in the case back in November,it turned out to be crap. All it did was elevate the bar for a arrest, where not even a confession on tape is good enough to arrest him.   
====================================
AD.NL (translation)
Court refuses to arrest Van der Sloot
WILLEMSTAD - The court in Curaçao wants Joran van der Sloot not re-arrest for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba.

The public prosecutor in Aruba wanted Van der Sloot for the third time to pick up after his confessions opposite infiltrator Patrick van der Eem, recorded with hidden cameras.

The images are broadcast in the TV programme of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries. Van der Sloot said later that his confession about the dumping of Natalees body into the sea, after being at a vrijpartij on the beach had become unwell, not true.

According to the court provide those statements insufficient new and important evidence. It is also what he says in the recordings, not supported by other evidence. In addition, Van der Sloot often lied.


The court does not rule out that he has a personality disorder, which makes him less credible. De Vries That is a strange state of affairs. The crime reporter responded Friday morning in the radio program of Giel Beelen on 3fm on the decision of the court. ,, The confession of someone who leaves a body disappear is not sufficient him again to the tooth feel. Apparently, a few times jokken good enough to assume that Joran van der Sloot an persoonlijkheidstoornis. We need you in the Netherlands for a considerable long time to be examined.''

After the broadcast, for Aruba on the investigation into the disappearance of the American girl reopened and the arrest of Van der Sloot asked. When the judge refused that, went the PPS appealed to the court.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 03:31:37 AM
Another link

http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2053752.ece

It says in this article that: The (Aruban) court thinks that he might have a personality disorder that may make him less credible?????
Peter de vries reacted on a radioshow on friday morning: It seems that someone confessing to making a body dissapear is not enough to arrest that person for questioning. He thinks it's strange that the fact that joran lied seems to be enough for the court to decide the guy has a personality disorder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 03:51:52 AM
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article936170.ece/Van_der_Sloot_wordt_niet_opnieuw_opgepakt

Translation of the last part of article:

According to joran's lawyer Bert the Rooij, the declarations made to Patrick of of the Eem are verifiably incorrect. , there is objective data that proves that what he said is not true', said the Rooij. Also van der sloot has given a motive as to why his declarations were not true: He was lying.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 04:03:29 AM
NUT - in my old files all I could find is this.  I don't remember now who was in the photo with PVDS:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdsyoung.jpg)

i'm really behind here but just saw this!

WOW!  if THAT doesn't resemble Lorenzo....i don't know what does!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

There is the proof!  No doubt about it.

Rough, but I think its a match:

(http://i26.tinypic.com/1235ni0.jpg)

Could this be a picture of a younger, not thin, not blond Astrid and her husband or Karen J?

oops posted this twice srry


http://www.brabantscentrum.nl/oud_archief_2005/nieuws/0526_sloot.htm

Photo taken during press conference they were opposing the construction of a new road.
guy on the right is Adriaan van Abeelen (from an environnemental movement) no mention of the other two people


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 04:12:46 AM
Thanks JE!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 04:28:24 AM
http://www.ed.nl/eindhovenstad/article2595257.ece

JvdS lawyer mr. Bert de Rooij

alledgedly close to PvdS in the past.
he wouldn't deny nor confirm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 04:37:58 AM
Quote
Joran van der Sloot to remain free

Last modified: 15 February 2008 10.10

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway. That its Dutch lawyer Bert the Rooij have heard Thursday night of the common Court of Justice on Curaçao, said the Council man on Radio 1.

Peter R. Freezes reacted disappointed to the pronouncement. "this is of course extremely sour", said the crime reporter, who it finds especially painful for the family of Holloway. "the case has been solved from the journalism side", thus Freeze, in a question conversation with BNR Nieuwsradio.

 ::MonkeyEek::

i hope he has some more...
he has to investigate again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 04:50:34 AM
http://www.ed.nl/eindhovenstad/article2595257.ece

JvdS lawyer mr. Bert de Rooij

alledgedly close to PvdS in the past.
he wouldn't deny nor confirm.


Good Morning caesu...I couldn't open the link...University of Tilberg...is what I remember when the lawyer's name surfaced...I was busy at the time and just logged in to post that info and never checked any further....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: IBE on February 15, 2008, 05:12:23 AM
Morning Headlines from Aruba

NEW PLAGUE HAS BEEN DISCOVERED IN ARUBA!

The Aruban Center for Disease Control is still looking for the evidence it has given to ALE for it is now worried that tourism will be affected from the spread of the 3-C Plague and wishes the information back. The ALE is working hard in finding it; it seems to have just "disappeared" according to authorities, backed by someone with the initials R.C.

"The 3-C's Plague" was first identified May 31 by Joran and Paulus van der Sloot and the epidemic has continued silently since that time.

The "3-C Plague" is highly dangerous and destructive. Symptoms are cover-up, corruption and cronyism. All residents are warned to stay silent as a preventive measure.

This news was brought to us by our embedded in the sand reporter...Mr. P.R. Fabrication


Monkeys, keep up the Good Works. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 05:20:39 AM
i am very pissed off.
jvds also might be trying to cash in on this.
but i don't see jvds having his life in freedom.

peter r. wrote a column in dutch already.
i don't want to mistranslate this time.
i think he also is going to put it in english.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 05:26:47 AM
Morning Headlines from Aruba

NEW PLAGUE HAS BEEN DISCOVERED IN ARUBA!

The Aruban Center for Disease Control is still looking for the evidence it has given to ALE for it is now worried that tourism will be affected from the spread of the 3-C Plague and wishes the information back. The ALE is working hard in finding it; it seems to have just "disappeared" according to authorities, backed by someone with the initials R.C.

"The 3-C's Plague" was first identified May 31 by Joran and Paulus van der Sloot and the epidemic has continued silently since that time.

The "3-C Plague" is highly dangerous and destructive. Symptoms are cover-up, corruption and cronyism. All residents are warned to stay silent as a preventive measure.

This news was brought to us by our embedded in the sand reporter...Mr. P.R. Fabrication


Monkeys, keep up the Good Works. ::MonkeyRoll::


LOL...IBE....Goodnight and nice to see you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 05:31:09 AM
i am very pissed off.
jvds also might be trying to cash in on this.
but i don't see jvds having his life in freedom.

peter r. wrote a column in dutch already.
i don't want to mistranslate this time.
i think he also is going to put it in english.


I am too...PO'd
I believe he will try and cash in...though I had a thought while catching up last night that maybe he is really scared, has fled, and I may never have to see his ugly monster face again on live TV....nah....not going to happen....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: mrskub on February 15, 2008, 05:40:18 AM
 Source: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life

Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reasons to fear that if he goes out he won't make it to the other side of the street."

He was referring to the consequences of the televised confession by Joran van der Sloot broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February. The nearly two-hour show, in which the suspect was filmed by hidden camera, was viewed by seven million viewers more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of Peter R de Vries, the Netherlands' top crime reporter.

Mr de Rooij says that some of the statements Mr Van der Sloot made to Mr De Vries's informer couldn't possibly be true. Referring to a statement by his client that he made a local call to someone on the island of Aruba for help: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 05:49:32 AM
Source: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life

Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reasons to fear that if he goes out he won't make it to the other side of the street."

He was referring to the consequences of the televised confession by Joran van der Sloot broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February. The nearly two-hour show, in which the suspect was filmed by hidden camera, was viewed by seven million viewers more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of Peter R de Vries, the Netherlands' top crime reporter.

Mr de Rooij says that some of the statements Mr Van der Sloot made to Mr De Vries's informer couldn't possibly be true. Referring to a statement by his client that he made a local call to someone on the island of Aruba for help: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls."


Morning San...maybe he's seen those guns of yours...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 05:53:49 AM
Maybe he meant he walked over to the Marriott and talked in person with someone there.  Someone who likes to stay on the beach at night because it is not sunny.  Someone who likes to go out on the beach at night because it is not crowded.  Someone who deals in XTC.  Someone who is married.  Someone who meets meets his rendezvous on the beach.  Someone who has dealt in some shady things before.  Maybe this someone has access to a boat. Someone who likes to patrol the water at night. Maybe the phone was the lie since a phone was lost and out of fear, he could not mention a cell phone.  Maybe he just summoned this person by walking a few feet more, but he cannot say that without giving up some things that he has to take to his grave with him. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 15, 2008, 05:59:01 AM
Source: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life

Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reasons to fear that if he goes out he won't make it to the other side of the street."

He was referring to the consequences of the televised confession by Joran van der Sloot broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February. The nearly two-hour show, in which the suspect was filmed by hidden camera, was viewed by seven million viewers more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of Peter R de Vries, the Netherlands' top crime reporter.

Mr de Rooij says that some of the statements Mr Van der Sloot made to Mr De Vries's informer couldn't possibly be true. Referring to a statement by his client that he made a local call to someone on the island of Aruba for help: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls."


Morning San...maybe he's seen those guns of yours...



Good morning.  Heading for the office. 

Sometimes you get what you deserve.  If JVDS is scared for his life right now, GOOD.  I hope he feels  1/100th of the terror he inflicted on Natalee every moment for the rest of his miserable life.  JMO


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Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 06:03:05 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::Hey, Joran, who are you more afraid of someone associated with the boatman, the long arm of the law, the Kalpoes, someone who watched from afar and who knows who you are and what you did that night?  It's a scary world out there when one has so made so many enemies, in an effort to make his peers think he is "Joe Cool." 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 06:07:18 AM
Good morning Peaches and Tyler...Have a great day...

I hope that he is in fact scared for his life...not sure that I believe it.

I take offense to his lawyer using 'kangaroo court' and Sloot in the same paragraph. Long been one of my favorite sayings and made me sick to even see it used.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 06:21:30 AM
::MonkeyCool::Hey, Joran, who are you more afraid of someone associated with the boatman, the long arm of the law, the Kalpoes, someone who watched from afar and who knows who you are and what you did that night?  It's a scary world out there when one has so made so many enemies, in an effort to make his peers think he is "Joe Cool." 

Tyler...I don't think he's afraid at all.

Just can't work out why he is so protected, or the family is.

Does it go back to Holland? Anita's family? Didn't van der Straten go on vacation to Holland as well? He was on the case less than 6 weeks. Who hand carried the DNA to Holland?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 06:21:44 AM
Good morning Peaches and Tyler...Have a great day...

I hope that he is in fact scared for his life...not sure that I believe it.

I take offense to his lawyer using 'kangaroo court' and Sloot in the same paragraph. Long been one of my favorite sayings and made me sick to even see it used.

Morning, Mum. 
Morning, Peaches.
Morning, San.
Morning, Karma.
Morning, Anyone I missed.
Good morning, Joran.  Time to ante up.  Cash in the chips.  Game's up. Truth trumps a lie any day. Nature dealt you a bad hand and you  followed suit.  You should have been above board.  You let Paulus call your bluff.  That ace up the sleeve turned out to be a wild card.  The house of cards is falling.  Show your hand.  Let this cover-up end. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: mrskub on February 15, 2008, 07:06:03 AM
From Peter's site:

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm

NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

- INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCONCIEVABLE -

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened. As soon as the detectives’ investigations showed that he certainly must have been involved in the disappearance however, he chose to lie to the world in a despicable manner about his actions and movements on the night concerned.

- REWARD FOR SABOTAGING INVESTIGATION -

It is a bitter pill to swallow – one that I have also come across in other cases – where a suspect has disposed of a body and managed to get off scot-free. Why does one dispose of the body? It is almost invariably to prevent the police from establishing exactly what happened to the person, usually because an offence has been committed. Also, for intentionally sabotaging the resulting investigation, one isn’t punished but rather rewarded because one cannot be arrested. What is just is not always fair. I will try to explain the logic of this to Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, but I doubt I will succeed.

In addition, the Court on Aruba stated that it’s ‘impression’ that Joran is a systematic liar further underpinned its decision. Usually, the fact that someone tells a pack of lies in a case concerning life and death should be a valid reason on its own to arrest the suspect, if only for the opportunity to get to the bottom of the matter.

- ADMISSION WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE? -

One of the things that Joran is certainly lying about is that his admissions in the car were made under the influence of marijuana. I must reiterate that Joran constantly admitted his role during five separate drives. During some of them, he did indeed smoke a joint, as is his habit. However, the TV footage shows clearly that during some of the drives he did NOT smoke, or did so only AFTER Natalee’s case was discussed. And never for a single moment did Joran say anything during a subsequent drive to intimate that last time, he had been stoned and had sprouted a lot of hot air. On the contrary. Each time, Joran reconfirmed his involvement in the disappearance, augmenting his confessions with new details. And during this frequently repeated account while ‘under the influence’, he also provided precise responses to the unanswered questions that police and justice still have in this case.

Moreover, anyone who has ever smoked marijuana knows that it effect does not prompt you to admit to unsolved crimes. Where that the case, police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be overflowing.

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 15, 2008, 07:09:26 AM
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Joran van der Sloot to remain free

Last modified: 15 February 2008 10.10

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway. That its Dutch lawyer Bert the Rooij have heard Thursday night of the common Court of Justice on Curaçao, said the Council man on Radio 1.

Peter R. Freezes reacted disappointed to the pronouncement. "this is of course extremely sour", said the crime reporter, who it finds especially painful for the family of Holloway. "the case has been solved from the journalism side", thus Freeze, in a question conversation with BNR Nieuwsradio.

 ::MonkeyEek::

i hope he has some more...
he has to investigate again.

While we are on lineage, does anyone have a photo of Herman the Monster and Joran to show side by side. Me thinks Anita dallied with Herman and produced Joran. And I do apologize to Herman, you are sooooo much more attractive than your son ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 07:17:06 AM
So......Here we are again..Weird thing it is to not be suprised in the least which is describing me.I knew this was going to happen just like many other folks did.The case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance will always be a mystery.I believe that! Too many heads would have been chopped off had the real truth ever come out because the corruption and cover-up run deep into the underworld.Shango and all his post are garbage as far as I'm concerned.I don't think Natalee was handed over to some big boys for a deflowering party. I think it was simply a few boys loaded with the date rape drug,slipped to Natalee,something bad happened,and the cover-up began to protect them in which they did quite nicely.I always thought Patrick and Peter stepped all over it when the drugs were brought in.That simply made a perfect way out for the guilty and his lawyers.In fact,I'm pretty disgusted that they used that method of attaining and information anyway..That doesn't seem like smart detective work to me and obviously,others felt the same way..They should of known this...
I do believe justice will come to yoran and all involved one way or another.Eventually,what they've sown will come back to all of them only the ending will be worse for them then it was Natalee..My disgust with Taco is huge and I mean huge.I wonder how many trips he made to Aruba before the Natalee story and how many private parties he attended..It seems weird to me that an American lawyer would step up to defend such a monster.Can't help to wonder what it is that drove him to do that.Blackmail maybe?Whatever the reason,he also will reap the harvest he put in the ground..
My thoughts and prayers are with Dave and Beth and their families.The hurt must be so deep..:(  Natalee has become famous and will never ever be forgotten by any of us as long as we journey through this life...Last week my daughter celebrated her 24th birthday and I squeezed her extra tight while in my mind remembering our precious Natalee and the thought that Dave and Beth could never do that again.This case has taught me to never take a moment with her for granted again.Every hug and kiss could be my last and "I love you" words have even a deeper meaning..I wish more than anything,I could bring Natalee home to Dave and Beth and because I can't,I grieve...God Bless,Tot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 07:30:49 AM
WOO HOO, WOO HOO, WOO HOO, BILL O'R TO DISCUSS THE MONSTER, JORAN TONIGHT AND CORRUPTION IN ARUBA
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 07:42:28 AM
WOO HOO, WOO HOO, WOO HOO, BILL O'R TO DISCUSS THE MONSTER, JORAN TONIGHT AND CORRUPTION IN ARUBA
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FOX NEWS...8PM...EASTERN
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 07:51:00 AM
MrsKub, thank you for bringing that forward.  It does give us hope once more. I have seen hope dashed so many times that it has become old hat, but each and every time it is renewed again when we have something positive and especially from Peter de Vries.  Thank you for posting that.  You post good stuff, always.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 08:05:17 AM
I don't guess Bill O'Reilly could advance a thing in this case except for his ratings..It seem's our government isn't seeking any justice for Natalee and I highly doubt Bill is going to change that.I mean really,we can't do a thing about it unless an undercover infiltation of the entire island takes place.  I think that would be the only way of getting to the truth and that could take years....Worth it? Yes by me but we are talking government and I just don't see it happening...Note to yoran."What goes around,comes around"..Check 6 thug boy....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: mrskub on February 15, 2008, 08:07:13 AM
Tylergal, thank you for the kind words. I don't want to see anyone give up hope or become discouraged by these events. We have placed this in the Lord's hands with our many, many prayers. Now, we have to trust and believe that our prayers will be answered. There may be things happen that we won't understand or even like, but there is a reason for everything. We just don't know those reasons.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 08:07:46 AM
Source: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life

Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reasons to fear that if he goes out he won't make it to the other side of the street."

He was referring to the consequences of the televised confession by Joran van der Sloot broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February. The nearly two-hour show, in which the suspect was filmed by hidden camera, was viewed by seven million viewers more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of Peter R de Vries, the Netherlands' top crime reporter.

Mr de Rooij says that some of the statements Mr Van der Sloot made to Mr De Vries's informer couldn't possibly be true. Referring to a statement by his client that he made a local call to someone on the island of Aruba for help: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls."


Morning San...maybe he's seen those guns of yours...



Good morning.  Heading for the office. 

Sometimes you get what you deserve.  If JVDS is scared for his life right now, GOOD.  I hope he feels  1/100th of the terror he inflicted on Natalee every moment for the rest of his miserable life.  JMO



I can only hope that seeing as how it has been decided that URINE has a "personality disorder", that the fear gets to him and he turns into a drooling zombie with no hope for recovery and has to be institutionized for the rest of his sorry life.Then his parents and everyone else involved in this mockery of justice can live with the fact that they have contributed to his demise by covering up for him...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tylergal on February 15, 2008, 08:08:36 AM
Well, it's really nothing but I found this on the internet from the day of the retraction of the statement, "something bad happened."  Now we just need to be able to find this person.

"I believe it is a common teaanage melodrama where they involved youths panic and do the stupid thing. I live on aruba and heard, it might just be hearsay, that on teh trip there was heavy drinking, literally for 3 days on a row and that there was some ure of extacy involved. In any case. if that si so, she might've gotten some sort of health effect from this combination and the guys with her panicked and did what they could, not to rush her to the hospital, but to cover up her death. Perhaps she wasnt even dead.. they just thought so and tried to cover it up..A common teenage horror movie.. come to think about it.. very tragic indeed...

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: mrskub on February 15, 2008, 08:11:38 AM
I don't guess Bill O'Reilly could advance a thing in this case except for his ratings..It seem's our government isn't seeking any justice for Natalee and I highly doubt Bill is going to change that.I mean really,we can't do a thing about it unless an undercover infiltation of the entire island takes place.  I think that would be the only way of getting to the truth and that could take years....Worth it? Yes by me but we are talking government and I just don't see it happening...Note to yoran."What goes around,comes around"..Check 6 thug boy....



Tot, the more that this is kept in the media, the better. We don't want it to fade and be forgotten. Yes, it may be a ratings thing for O'Reilly but, it may also reinforce the corruption angle and make those less aware become more informed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 08:14:20 AM
Morning Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 15, 2008, 08:25:11 AM
Quote
Joran van der Sloot to remain free

Last modified: 15 February 2008 10.10

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway. That its Dutch lawyer Bert the Rooij have heard Thursday night of the common Court of Justice on Curaçao, said the Council man on Radio 1.

Peter R. Freezes reacted disappointed to the pronouncement. "this is of course extremely sour", said the crime reporter, who it finds especially painful for the family of Holloway. "the case has been solved from the journalism side", thus Freeze, in a question conversation with BNR Nieuwsradio.

 ::MonkeyEek::

i hope he has some more...
he has to investigate again.

I think that Beth has been carried to a point by her supporters, climaxed with a sprint by Peter DeVries, and I guess I shouldn't ignore Joran's show grabbing contributions, where she has finally caught her breath after almost 3 years of frantic searching and probing. She is becoming rejuvenated day by day, with each night's sleep. I think that she now can lay all of those thoughts that maybe Natalee was in distress and still alive aside, and can relax, ironically,  knowing that Natalee is gone. She also knows Natalee is fine and with her Father which eases at least her torture, though she still misses her tremendously.

Beth honestly could not have gone this far in her journey without all of her supporters. You all have literally carried her when she could not walk, and spoken for her when she could not talk. You have certainly stood with the girl, and made a force so mighty that Aruba still trembles at the sight. The hand of the Lord can create mighty army's out of average citizens, and those citizens need little in the way of weapons when they are choosing to do battle for the Lord's will, because right is might.

Beth still needs your support just as much as ever. Now that a level of peace and calm, brought on by some much needed rest, has returned to Beth, I am certain she is even more convinced to fight this battle with Aruba until she either gets "Justice For Natalee" or she brings Aruba to her knees. She is intent on shining the spotlight and the harsh whip of public opinion squarely upon the guilty's behinds until they do the right thing and confess to their crimes, both adults and children.

Betico may have liberated Aruba, but apparently Betico has met with Natalee and her granddad in heaven and they have decided it is BethandCo. that shall now clean Aruba. And it appears as if Arubagate must start with Betico's son, Rudy, in, in order to bring this corrupt house of cards tumbling down. Blackmailed or not Rudy, it is time you stop protecting the guilty, it is time you stop creating a cess pool out of the country your father died for, and try and become just half the man that your father was. Currently, you are everything that your father stood against. It is time you make your father proud.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 08:26:54 AM
I don't guess Bill O'Reilly could advance a thing in this case except for his ratings..It seem's our government isn't seeking any justice for Natalee and I highly doubt Bill is going to change that.I mean really,we can't do a thing about it unless an undercover infiltation of the entire island takes place.  I think that would be the only way of getting to the truth and that could take years....Worth it? Yes by me but we are talking government and I just don't see it happening...Note to yoran."What goes around,comes around"..Check 6 thug boy....



Tot, the more that this is kept in the media, the better. We don't want it to fade and be forgotten. Yes, it may be a ratings thing for O'Reilly but, it may also reinforce the corruption angle and make those less aware become more informed.

On that angle,I agree but in times past,we know that does not happen.The outrage will continue for awhile in the media but eventually it will dissolve until another"Big Break"comes along.How many times has this happened so far? I know the One that sits on the throne and He never sleeps nor slumbers and I believe His Word to be true..We reap what we sow so that is where I find my comfort in all this.Let it stay in the media loud and clear I agree.Let the folks and good people in the Netherlands take to the streets in protest against the corruption which would draw even more attention.Let us write our government officials and ask for them to take notice.The bottom line is always,"would they"..? I doubt it..:(  What could they possibly do? Declare war on Aruba? Uhhhhhhhh,no....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 08:38:11 AM
Beth certainly deserves some rest.  I wish for her the peace that passes all understanding.  She has carried the load for so long; she should be assured that we will carry it for her while she rests.  We're not going to quit until Natalee feels the Alabama sun again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blonde on February 15, 2008, 08:41:05 AM
O/T.....OJ Simpsons girlfriend in intensive care with head injuries... OJ under investigation....he says she fell in gas station.....she is reported to have bruises on her head,legs .arms,and buttocks....she reportedly has bleeding of her brain and may require surgery

Just like OJ URINE will strike again

They didn't fly together because Prody ''was unable to fly back with [Simpson] due to being intoxicated and having a dog on the flight,'' according to the police report.

During the interview with police, Simpson ``advised this officer that [Prody] was intoxicated and always falling down  during the duration of their stay in San Antonio.''

Miami-Dade police spokesman Detective Juan Villalba had no comment beyond what was provided in the information report. He declined to say whether an investigation was ongoing regarding the incident.

Simpson's attorney, Yale Galanter, said his client was not under investigation and had nothing to do with Prody's injury. A National Enquirer report Wednesday cited anonymous sources in saying police believe Prody was beaten.

''It's crap,'' Galanter said.
   sure ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 08:41:06 AM
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=oLpRl-OuAsY&feature=related

One person's opinion....possibly the opinion of millions....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: wreck on February 15, 2008, 08:44:23 AM
I stand by my gut feeling that we won't get "judicial" justice in Aruba. I think the path they have chosen is going to be FAR WORSE for them in the long run. As long as we all stay the course -- that island will dry up and they will eventually "eat their own." Justice comes in odd forms sometimes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 08:46:50 AM
Beth certainly deserves some rest.  I wish for her the peace that passes all understanding.  She has carried the load for so long; she should be assured that we will carry it for her while she rests.  We're not going to quit until Natalee feels the Alabama sun again.

I believe Natalee already feels the Son. He has her tightly wrapped up in His arms..The Alabama sunshine can't hold a candle to that.My prayers are with Dave,Beth,and their entire family....I even pray for all the one's here that have been so very faithful to the case and are hurting....  Jesus said to pray for one another and so I do..God Bless,Tot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 15, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
Beth certainly deserves some rest.  I wish for her the peace that passes all understanding.  She has carried the load for so long; she should be assured that we will carry it for her while she rests.  We're not going to quit until Natalee feels the Alabama sun again.

I believe Natalee already feels the Son. He has her tightly wrapped up in His arms..The Alabama sunshine can't hold a candle to that.My prayers are with Dave,Beth,and their entire family....I even pray for all the one's here that have been so very faithful to the case and are hurting....  Jesus said to pray for one another and so I do..God Bless,Tot

People sometimes forget the power of even individual prayer, but the power of collective prayer for God's will to be done is simply over whelming. His Will will be done, we may not understand it as it happens, but it will be good. And God has been helping ease Beth's pain since she encountered the taxi driver in Aruba and she prayed at each of the crosses, according to Beth. Of course, I think he was there from the beginning as who else arranged for her to meet the taxi driver:) God never leaves our side, it is us who forgets that God is walking with us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 08:54:25 AM
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/van_der_sloot_not_arrested_in.php

Van der Sloot not arrested in Natalee case
Friday 15 February 2008

The Aruban public prosecution department has confirmed it will not re-arrest Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch student seen on secret recordings confessing that he was with US teenager Natalee Holloway when she died.

An appeal court on Aruba has upheld an earlier ruling that there is not sufficient relevant new evidence to bring Van der Sloot into custody at present but that he remains an official suspect in the case.

Van der Sloot has already been arrested twice in connection with the girl's disappearance on the holiday island in 2005.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Bert Van Rooj told Radio 1 on Friday that justice officials had reached their decision because his client has told them he made up the confesssion.

The confession, recorded on secret cameras while Van der Sloot was in a car smoking marijuana with a friend, includes Van der Sloot saying a friend of his dumped Natalee's body at sea.

'There are objective facts which counteract what he has said,' Van Rooij said. Van der Sloot was lying in the confessions, he added.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 08:57:37 AM
Beth certainly deserves some rest.  I wish for her the peace that passes all understanding.  She has carried the load for so long; she should be assured that we will carry it for her while she rests.  We're not going to quit until Natalee feels the Alabama sun again.

I believe Natalee already feels the Son. He has her tightly wrapped up in His arms..The Alabama sunshine can't hold a candle to that.My prayers are with Dave,Beth,and their entire family....I even pray for all the one's here that have been so very faithful to the case and are hurting....  Jesus said to pray for one another and so I do..God Bless,Tot

People sometimes forget the power of even individual prayer, but the power of collective prayer for God's will to be done is simply over whelming. His Will will be done, we may not understand it as it happens, but it will be good. And God has been helping ease Beth's pain since she encountered the taxi driver in Aruba and she prayed at each of the crosses, according to Beth. Of course, I think he was there from the beginning as who else arranged for her to meet the taxi driver:) God never leaves our side, it is us who forgets that God is walking with us.


*AMEN*!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 09:01:03 AM
O/T.....OJ Simpsons girlfriend in intensive care with head injuries... OJ under investigation....he says she fell in gas station.....she is reported to have bruises on her head,legs .arms,and buttocks....she reportedly has bleeding of her brain and may require surgery

Just like OJ URINE will strike again

They didn't fly together because Prody ''was unable to fly back with [Simpson] due to being intoxicated and having a dog on the flight,'' according to the police report.

During the interview with police, Simpson ``advised this officer that [Prody] was intoxicated and always falling down  during the duration of their stay in San Antonio.''

Miami-Dade police spokesman Detective Juan Villalba had no comment beyond what was provided in the information report. He declined to say whether an investigation was ongoing regarding the incident.

Simpson's attorney, Yale Galanter, said his client was not under investigation and had nothing to do with Prody's injury. A National Enquirer report Wednesday cited anonymous sources in saying police believe Prody was beaten.

''It's crap,'' Galanter said.
   sure ::MonkeyEek::




Yeah, right OJ.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 09:01:05 AM
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6365
rough translation.......

This way fast we had not thought that the population would get
lynchneigingen after reading our Article. Joran of of the ditch do not
need according to its lawyer the Rooij already too best. He sits gone
into hiding and systematic is threatened, thus the Council man in
radio 1 news. Or of of the ditch in the Netherlands sits, on Aruba or
elsewhere the Rooij do not want say. He is frightened that its
customer suspected, of involvement at the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway, something will happen as people to know where he stays.

On the world broadcasting the Rooij said: He does not keep himself
schuil for the police force, but for the volksgericht. He has to
serious reasons adopt that he does not obtain the overkant of the
street if we him to the street on to let go. Justice wants not yet
take up of of the ditch.
~~~~~

There is a video at the link...in Dutch...hard to understand, but it is in humour.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 09:08:43 AM
Are they seriously considering martial law?  Oh, gee, ya' think ALE and their justice system is corrupt? 

GOOD MORNING!  Wake up to the real world Aruba!
Aruba is like an inner city with crime, drugs, murder, coersion, etc.

Is it possible that the FBI take over the case and charge, at least, a civil case in the USA? 

I hope he rots in .....y'know

Shrinking Monk
Shrink no one in America can do anything that I know of..The Dutch Govt must do something or this will never be solved.IMO

Hell, the president can't even get the frigging congress to agree on wire-tapping terrorists' phones.  WTH can anyone here do?  That congress is deserving of its 12% approval rating.

Absolutely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 09:11:19 AM
The loudest thing I heard Taco say was that the judges actually had evidence to disprove what Joran said to Patrick.  Surely Taco was just twisting words.  How could they possibly have evidence to disprove the truth.  If they truly did, they wouldn't reopen the case.


Romney 2012
Romney VP 2008

Romney VP 2008


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: snoopy on February 15, 2008, 09:16:30 AM


Good Morning Everybody!!  Standing tall for Natalee.
Don't be upset about Juron not being rearrested.  I didn't expect him to be.  Trial is coming.  JMHO

Do not be discouraged

Do not be disheartened

Justice is coming



Ono tylergal Bluebob.......love the sig line.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 09:25:30 AM
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=oLpRl-OuAsY&feature=related

One person's opinion....possibly the opinion of millions....

Yep.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 09:26:53 AM
Is there an official statement from the , um, court?

Is Mos back from vacation?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: mrskub on February 15, 2008, 09:30:21 AM
Quote
Joran van der Sloot to remain free

Last modified: 15 February 2008 10.10

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of the American student Natalee Holloway. That its Dutch lawyer Bert the Rooij have heard Thursday night of the common Court of Justice on Curaçao, said the Council man on Radio 1.

Peter R. Freezes reacted disappointed to the pronouncement. "this is of course extremely sour", said the crime reporter, who it finds especially painful for the family of Holloway. "the case has been solved from the journalism side", thus Freeze, in a question conversation with BNR Nieuwsradio.

 ::MonkeyEek::

i hope he has some more...
he has to investigate again.

While we are on lineage, does anyone have a photo of Herman the Monster and Joran to show side by side. Me thinks Anita dallied with Herman and produced Joran. And I do apologize to Herman, you are sooooo much more attractive than your son ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/herman4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 09:32:56 AM


Good Morning Everybody!!  Standing tall for Natalee.
Don't be upset about Juron not being rearrested.  I didn't expect him to be.  Trial is coming.  JMHO

Do not be discouraged

Do not be disheartened

Justice is coming



Ono tylergal Bluebob.......love the sig line.



Snoopy..... I did not expect URINE to be arrested either.... As for a trial, I wish I had as much confidence about that as you seem to have....Either way URINE's life is going to be a living hell.... He deserves no less..JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: msmarple on February 15, 2008, 09:34:22 AM
http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1085&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1085&Itemid=30)

(Diario ran this with the picture of Joran holding a “fan” of money … )

Quote
Corte Comun a rechaza pa detene Joran       

Friday, 15 February 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diahuebs anochi, abogado Joe Tacopina a revela na New York, cu el a ricibi confirmacion cu decision a worde tuma door di Corte Comun di Husticia di Aruba y Antiyas, cu nan ta rechaza e apelacion di Ministerio Publico, pa haya permiso pa detene Joran van der Sloot atrobe.

Ministerio Publico a habri e investigacion di nobo rond di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, debi na detayenan nobo cu a worde graba den secreto di Joran van der Sloot, unda e ta admiti riba videotape cu Natalee a muri den su brazanan.

Pero aparentemente e tres Hueznan cu a revisa e apelacion, a dicidi cu no tin nada “nobo” cu ta bin dilanti den e recien revelacionnan, y asina a rechaza e peticion.

Online Pap translation:

corte comun owing to rechaza for detene joran

friday, 15 february 2008

oranjestad (aan): diahuebs night, advocate joe tacopina owing to revela at new york, cu past owing to ricibi confirmacion cu decision owing to worde take door of corte comun of husticia of aruba y antiyas, cu they're rechaza the apelacion of ministerio publico, for achieve permission for detene joran van der sloot again.

ministerio publico owing to open the investigacion of new rond of desaparicion of natalee holloway, debi at detayenan new cu owing to worde graba in secreto of joran van der sloot, where the is admiti on videotape cu natalee owing to die in his brazanan. 

but apparently the three hueznan cu owing to revisa the apelacion, owing to dicidi cu not have nothing “nobo” cu is come fast in the recien revelacionnan, y so owing to rechaza the peticion.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 15, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Grr, I'm so angry I could just spit!  When will those responsible for Natalee's death and disappearance pay???  Let's pray that her remains will be found and speak for her.
GRRRRRRRRRRR


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: kkate on February 15, 2008, 09:40:52 AM

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/herman4.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: :lol:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: vms on February 15, 2008, 09:48:00 AM

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/herman4.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: :lol:

(http://xs124.xs.to/xs124/08050/animation2394.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Marlee on February 15, 2008, 09:53:37 AM
Hi Monkeys!
 Even after Joran has confessed to Natalee’s demise, called the Aruban law enforcement “f*cking idiots” and laughed in the face of the Aruban government, the judge has made the decision there will be no re-arrest of Joran. Now, more than ever, we need to unite and fight to get justice for Natalee.

The Boston Travel Show is being held February 22-24. Aruba is a supporting sponsor of this event. We need YOU there. We need to let Aruba know that we will not stand for this type of treatment of an American citizen.  We need to educate travelers on the cover up, corruption, and injustice that abounds on Aruba.

My son and I are driving 12 hours to get there. Six hours into the trip we are picking up fellow Monkey CJ. We have a hotel room in downtown Boston, 1.5 miles from the convention center, for $60 a night through Priceline.com. If I can do this, so can you. If you can only be there for 15 minutes, an hour, a day, we need to unite and stand strong for what we believe.

You don’t have to post here to be a Monkey; you don’t have to read here every day to be a Monkey. To me, the definition of a Monkey is someone who believes in justice for Natalee and all missing people.  Someone who believes that Aruban Government needs to do the right thing and if they don’t they need to suffer the consequences.
I know there are Monkey’s that are closer to Boston than we are. WE NEED YOU THERE!!!

If you are able to join us at the Boston Travel Show, please contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for details.

Here is a link for the travel show  http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE HOLLOWAY!  (If we don't, who will?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 10:09:21 AM
Was Natalee Holloway Drugged?

By CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
Feb. 15, 2008

Medical experts tell ABC News that the description Joran van der Sloot gave of convulsions apparently experienced by Natalee Holloway on the night she disappeared could be consistent with the date rape drug GHB, and not simply alcohol intoxication.

The question has resurfaced after a Dutch undercover documentary aired last week on ABC News in which Van der Sloot, the prime suspect, describes in harrowing detail how Holloway went into convulsions during an amorous encounter on an Aruban beach the night she disappeared.

Doctors and pharmacologists who spoke to ABC said that it's in general unlikely that alcohol poisoning alone could have caused the otherwise healthy Alabama teen to convulse the way Van der Sloot described it to a man who he believed was a friend but who was actually working undercover for a Dutch investigative journalist.

The documentary rapidly revived the dormant case. Aruba's chief prosecutor hailed the work of Dutch journalist Peter R. De Vries, calling the information uncovered "valuable" and "important to the investigation."

Prosecutor Hans Mos said he believes the undercover tapes will be legally admissible in an Aruban court, but a judge late Thursday denied prosecutors' appeal for an arrest warrant, a bid that had been previously denied by a lower court judge, Joe Tacopina, Van der Sloot's lawyer told ABC News.

That means that unless prosecutors develop new information — they have claimed to be receiving dozens of e-mail tips since the documentary aired last week — it will be difficult if not impossible to bring charges against Van der Sloot.

The court ruled that Van der Sloot's admissions on the tape are inconsistent with other evidence and not sufficient to detain him. He has been arrested and released twice since Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

Aruban prosecutors could not immediately be reached for comment on Thursday's court decision.

Van der Sloot has denied the claims he made on hours of undercover video over the course of several days last month, reportedly telling prosecutors in an interview last week that he made up the allegations because he was high on marijuana. He has also said he was trying to impress Patrick Van der Eem, 34, who was actually working undercover for a Dutch investigative reporter.

Van der Sloot's attorneys have vigorously denied claims from the documentary maker and Aruban authorities that Van der Sloot's damning admissions on the tape are legal proof that he is, in fact, responsible for Holloway's disappearance.

On the tape he said Holloway went into convulsions and then became limp. Fearing she was dead, he claimed on the tapes that he called an unknown accomplice who came and took the body out to sea, where it was dumped overboard about 2 kilometers off the Aruban coastline.

Searches by boats equipped with sonar detection have failed to turn up any evidence of a body off the coast. A private, nonprofit Texas search and rescue team has been scouring the waters off the Aruban coast for the last two months, according to Holloway's father, Dave.


Convulsions 'Consistent' With Date Rape Drug
"If you gave me a choice based on [Van der Sloot's description of the convulsions], alcohol would be lowest on the list and GHB the highest," said Paul Doering, distinguished service professor of pharmacy practice at the University of Florida's College of Pharmacy.

"Chronic alcoholics who suddenly discontinue the use of alcohol can experience convulsions, but it's generally not part of the acute toxic phase of alcohol poisoning,'' Doering said. "When people die from alcohol alone, the levels [of alcohol] get so high that they essentially tell the body's respiratory center to stop. They just stop breathing."

"When GHB [gamma hydroxy butyrate] was at its peak use, 10 years ago, [convulsions] would be a commonly reported thing," Doering said, adding that witnesses to GHB overdoses described a person as "looking like he was dead, and then, scarily, he would start shaking like a mackerel on the deck of a fishing boat."

Doering, like all medical experts who spoke to ABC News, cautioned that their impressions were entirely speculative and that without a body to examine it would be impossible to determine definitively what happened.

Holloway's father, Dave, said he's always suspected that she was given a date rape drug before she disappeared.

"The first thing that was told to me by the lead detective on the case when this first happened was that when you go to Carlos N Charlie's [the nightclub where Van der Sloot said he met Holloway], watch your drink, because people have a tendency to put stuff in them. He even indicated to me that he puts on a presentation at the local schools on a monthly basis, warning students about the dangers of date rape drugs."

Witnesses, police reports and Van der Sloot have described Holloway as being intoxicated at Carlos N Charlie's. Police reports say that Van der Sloot told them he bought her a shot of Bacardi 151 proof rum before the pair retired to a secluded beach on the northwest coast of the island.

Dave Holloway believes that Van der Sloot's self-described decision not to call for medical help when Holloway reportedly began to convulse and then went limp was because he knew doctors would discover the presence of a drug like GHB in the Alabama teen's bloodstream.

"A normal person would have called for medical attention," Holloway said Thursday. "My thought is that GHB would be been found present [in her blood]."

Paul Kolecki, of the emergency medicine department at Thomas Jefferson University's Jefferson Medical College, concurred that in general convulsions were more likely the result of a drug and alcohol combination.

"It doesn't happen with alcohol but with GHB it can happen, " he said. "GHB was used by anesthesiologists back in the '50s or '60s, and they had to stop because they were seeing these convulsions," he said. "To convulse and go limp, GHB is classic for that," he said, adding that other drugs like cocaine and ecstasy can also cause convulsions when mixed with too much alcohol.

But Bruce Goldberger, a toxicology expert and the director of Florida's William R. Maples Center for Forensic Medicine, noted that convulsions could have simply signaled Holloway's death from alcohol poisoning.

"When people die, often times their bodies will seize," he said.


More Than Two Dozen Detectives Chasing Leads
Meanwhile, the investigation into the disappearance appears to be back in full swing, with 25 detectives working the case, compared to just four last month, according to the Dutch newspaper het Algemeen Dagblad, which quotes Aruban authorities as saying they have hired drug experts to evaluate Van der Sloot's claim that he made up the stories he told in the undercover tapes because he was high on marijuana.

The newspaper says that the experts' initial impressions seem to be that drug users generally do not make up stories when they've used drugs.

"That means that Joran's story is most certainly an important supporting piece of evidence in our further investigation," a spokesman for the prosecutor's office told the newspaper. "We are also awaiting reports from experts about the way in which Joran says Natalee Holloway died."

A decision from an Aruban judicial appeals court is expected soon on whether prosecutors have enough new evidence to rearrest Van der Sloot, who spoke with prosecutors for more than two hours last week.


Record Breaking
The documentary had a powerful impact on Holland, according to Peter R. De Vries, the investigative reporter who recorded more than 20 hours of conversations between Van der Sloot and Van der Eem, an ex-con who served a year in a Dutch prison for drug trafficking.

Van der Eem independently targeted Van der Sloot and befriended him, before going to De Vries with his belief that he'd won Van der Sloot's confidence and that the younger man would finally reveal what he knew about Holloway's disappearance.

The documentary broke viewership records in Holland, De Vries said, drawing 7 million of the country's approximately 17 million residents to their televisions. ABC News' "20/20" special on the case also drew record-breaking audiences.

"People in Holland were flabbergasted and shocked and everyone's talking about it," De Vries told ABC News.

De Vries has a history of pursuing Van der Sloot. At the end of a taping of a Dutch television show late last year, Van der Sloot picked up a glass of wine and threw it in De Vries' face, challenging the reporter to promise to apologize to him publicly if his allegations that Van der Sloot was involved in the disappearance were proven false.

But unknown to Van der Sloot, De Vries already had some of the young man's compromising statements about Holloway on tape.

De Vries says he doesn't buy Van der Sloot's defense that he was high on marijuana.

"Everyone who does a little thinking or who has smoked soft drugs themselves at some point, has to realize that Joran's story of the weed cigarettes can't hold up," De Vries wrote on his Web site.


"Joran made elaborate statements during five different car rides, on different days — sometimes with more than a week in between. In every subsequent ride he repeated his confession, and confirmed and expanded them. Not once did he say that he was talking nonsense the previous time because he was under the influence."


Reaction
"It's a big deal here," said Ineke Oomens, 58, who lives in Breda, about 100 kilometers from Amsterdam. "There's a discussion going on whether De Vries was doing a good job, because he had a deal in a car with marijuana and now some are thinking here in the Netherlands that that is not a serious confession [from] Joran. And there is another discussion going on about why is Joran on trial by newspapers and television and why isn't he on trial by the justice system?"

"Some people are now saying, 'this is over for Joran — he can never get a job here [in Holland], he can never have friends here,' which is OK, but we would like now his trial."

Oomens said many of her fellow citizens admire De Vries for what he's done, but still entertain conflicting feelings about the case.

"He has done a good job, because he did what lawyers and the police couldn't do, but it's still a trial by newspapers and television."

Fransje van der Waals, 57, said many of the Dutch people point out that Van der Sloot was raised in Aruba, not in the Netherlands.

"This boy grew up not in the Netherlands he grew up in Aruba and that's a different situation," Van der Waals said. "People think there was too much freedom, not good schools, not enough supervision."

Holloway, Natalee's father, declined to characterize his feelings about Van der Sloot after watching the undercover video. At one point in the tape, Van der Sloot describes "shaking the b--" when she went limp and saying to himself, as Holloway apparently laid lifeless in his arms, "Why does this sh-- happen to me?"

"As you could imagine, as a father, it goes without saying," Holloway began, pausing and seeming to choose his words carefully.

"As anyone would, you're … you're looking for blood," he said. "That's a cold, callous sociopath," Holloway said of Van der Sloot.

"It wasn't easy to watch."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4295570&page=4


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 10:29:24 AM
"De Vries has a history of pursuing Van der Sloot. At the end of a taping of a Dutch television show late last year, Van der Sloot picked up a glass of wine and threw it in De Vries' face, challenging the reporter to promise to apologize to him publicly if his allegations that Van der Sloot was involved in the disappearance were proven false. "

This is an important point to keep in mind--Joran assaulted PDV, suckered punched him if you will. I have no doubt that we are going to see more fireworks related to the cover-up as the world sees more of this part of the story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 10:42:19 AM
Not sure if this is up yet.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/080215-holloway-confession

Court ignores confessions in Holloway case
Suspect said he dumped body in oceanby Rob Kievit

15-02-2008

Joran van der Sloot, the major suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance case, will not be rearrested after his recent on-camera confessions. Law court officials on the Dutch Antillean island of Curaçao say that Mr Van der Sloot's secretly filmed statements that he was with the girl when she died, and that he disposed of her body, do not constitute new legal evidence.

Joran van der Sloot being filmed on hidden camera
(picture based on SBS6 screenshot)

The suspect's lawyer, Bert de Rooij, claims that his client intentionally lied to the informer who caught the statements on video tape using a hidden camera in his car.

Bitter
Investigative journalist Peter R. de Vries who televised Van der Sloot's confessions in a nationwide TV programme is disappointed by the Curaçao court's decision. Mr De Vries told BNR Radio that this is a bitter pill to swallow, particularly for the family.

"It highlights the distinction between journalistic evidence and legal evidence. I think that the entire nation has been able to see on TV how this man repeated his confessions on five different days: that he was on the beach [in Aruba] with the girl when she died, that he disposed of her body. He never retracted any of this, in fact he reaffirmed it time after time. It is bitter that this information cannot be used. The only reason for him to get rid of the girl's body is that he did not want the police or anybody else to determine what had happened to her."


Shoes
One of the court's arguments to let Mr Van der Sloot off for the time being is that no new legal evidence has come to light as a result of theTV confessions.

Mr De Vries points out that Mr Van der Sloot said he had thrown away a pair of Natalee's shoes. Earlier he had claimed he had forgotten them on the beach. The investigative journalist is suggesting that these shoes may still be around somewhere on Aruba, and that they might yield some forensic evidence.

Improper
Mr De Vries says that Joran van der Sloot has hindered the legal process of establishing the truth. He also questions the view of the Curaçao court, as expressed by a spokesperson, that Mr Van der Sloot may be suffering from a mental condition. Mr De Vries says:

"It is curious for a court spokesman to say anything about a suspect's mental make-up. As far as I know, Joran van der Sloot has never undergone any psychiatric tests, so the court is apparently speaking on the basis of impressions only. I believe that is improper."

Suspect gone into hiding 
Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reasons to fear that if he goes out he won't make it to the other side of the street."

He was referring to the consequences of the televised confession by Joran van der Sloot broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February. The nearly two-hour show, in which the suspect was filmed by hidden camera, was viewed by seven million viewers more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of Peter R de Vries, the Netherlands' top crime reporter.

Mr de Rooij says that some of the statements Mr Van der Sloot made to Mr De Vries's informer couldn't possibly be true. Referring to a statement by his client that he made a local call to someone on the island of Aruba for help: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls."
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 10:45:52 AM
"De Vries has a history of pursuing Van der Sloot. At the end of a taping of a Dutch television show late last year, Van der Sloot picked up a glass of wine and threw it in De Vries' face, challenging the reporter to promise to apologize to him publicly if his allegations that Van der Sloot was involved in the disappearance were proven false. "

This is an important point to keep in mind--Joran assaulted PDV, suckered punched him if you will. I have no doubt that we are going to see more fireworks related to the cover-up as the world sees more of this part of the story.


Bladerunner...I had been thinking that the Sloots may sue him, but not sure that they can after assaulting him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 10:48:25 AM
Can someone translate this hard hitting piece from diario this morning?

Online Pap translation:

corte comun owing to rechaza for detene joran

friday, 15 february 2008

oranjestad (aan): diahuebs night, advocate joe tacopina owing to revela at new york, cu past owing to ricibi confirmacion cu decision owing to worde take door of corte comun of husticia of aruba y antiyas, cu they're rechaza the apelacion of ministerio publico, for achieve permission for detene joran van der sloot again.

ministerio publico owing to open the investigacion of new rond of desaparicion of natalee holloway, debi at detayenan new cu owing to worde graba in secreto of joran van der sloot, where the is admiti on videotape cu natalee owing to die in his brazanan.

but apparently the three hueznan cu owing to revisa the apelacion, owing to dicidi cu not have nothing “nobo” cu is come fast in the recien revelacionnan, y so owing to rechaza the peticion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
Is there an official statement from the , um, court?

Is Mos back from vacation?

I think Mos just got off vacation. (sarcasm)
What a coincidence !!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 10:51:57 AM
Source: http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life

Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reasons to fear that if he goes out he won't make it to the other side of the street."

He was referring to the consequences of the televised confession by Joran van der Sloot broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February. The nearly two-hour show, in which the suspect was filmed by hidden camera, was viewed by seven million viewers more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of Peter R de Vries, the Netherlands' top crime reporter.

Mr de Rooij says that some of the statements Mr Van der Sloot made to Mr De Vries's informer couldn't possibly be true. Referring to a statement by his client that he made a local call to someone on the island of Aruba for help: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls."

Thank you mrskub.

JE ... thank you for your translations ... they are appreciated.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 10:54:44 AM
Hello all monkeys old and new.  Let's just take a step back and think about all this for a minute.  For the first time in over 2 years we are hearing what we have prayed for...corruption.  I am sure DeVries is feeling that old slap in the face as so many of us have before.  He will not be made a fool over this...his entire reputation is at stake.  If I read the Dutch correctly, being made to look foolish is not something they tend to take lightly.  Yes, the wine throwing incident was just the catalyst and now that Joran has skirted the law once again there will be more to come.

I doubt DeVries will let this go...at least we will all be here to help if needed...we can always stir the pot a little if necessary.  Truth is, we all knew Joran had no chance of being arrested...Mos clearly indicated it back in December when he told Greta there wasn't enough evidence.  I know so many of you still hold Mos in high regard, but until he takes these perps to trial I withhold judgement. I am still waiting to see him do something in this case that makes sense.

The corruption and cover up is massive.  We all know this...we have been in this for years now and it's nothing new.  So I say we have won a battle here...one that we have wanted for a while.  Aruba is now associated with the words corruption and cover up all over the world.  People are watching.  Joran can't go back to Aruba because they don't want him...how long can his parents continue to live there?  Eventually everyone will turn on the Sloots.  Nothing short of a murder conviction will get Aruba's tourism and money back.  Aruba is now persona non grata to the world. They have done nothing and due to a few people...now....nothing can be done.  The Dutch have to do something now too....they are linked with the Sloots...it's only a matter of time....something will happen...someone is going to talk...someone is going to give up the truth....we just have to be patient and stand with the girl.  My rant and my opinion for today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 11:02:50 AM
Lala's mom,

I agree that the word corruption and coverup attached to Aruba is good, but the window is still small right now and the media is too far behind.

I'm concerned that de vries uses the expression "the case is solved." I'm worried that he said as of yesterday, that from a journalistic perspective it's over.

I'm not happy with these terms. I think only squeezing the family of Paulus, by any means necessary or the Kalpoes, we may be waiting years.

Our own government is not much help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 15, 2008, 11:03:09 AM

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/herman4.jpg)

While the resemblance is striking....at least Herman had a heart.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SherryinWA on February 15, 2008, 11:03:35 AM
Hi Monkeys!
 Even after Joran has confessed to Natalee’s demise, called the Aruban law enforcement “f*cking idiots” and laughed in the face of the Aruban government, the judge has made the decision there will be no re-arrest of Joran. Now, more than ever, we need to unite and fight to get justice for Natalee.

The Boston Travel Show is being held February 22-24. Aruba is a supporting sponsor of this event. We need YOU there. We need to let Aruba know that we will not stand for this type of treatment of an American citizen.  We need to educate travelers on the cover up, corruption, and injustice that abounds on Aruba.

My son and I are driving 12 hours to get there. Six hours into the trip we are picking up fellow Monkey CJ. We have a hotel room in downtown Boston, 1.5 miles from the convention center, for $60 a night through Priceline.com. If I can do this, so can you. If you can only be there for 15 minutes, an hour, a day, we need to unite and stand strong for what we believe.

You don’t have to post here to be a Monkey; you don’t have to read here every day to be a Monkey. To me, the definition of a Monkey is someone who believes in justice for Natalee and all missing people.  Someone who believes that Aruban Government needs to do the right thing and if they don’t they need to suffer the consequences.
I know there are Monkey’s that are closer to Boston than we are. WE NEED YOU THERE!!!

If you are able to join us at the Boston Travel Show, please contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for details.

Here is a link for the travel show  http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE HOLLOWAY!  (If we don't, who will?)



Hi guys,
What would you think about posting this info over at Websleuths?  I am  a newbie there also, but they are a wonderful group of people who also do some amazing things for missing people.  They have a very active Natalee Holloway thread, and I bet they would like to know about this.  If someone here is a veteran member there also, feel free to do so or advise me against it if it is a bad idea.  Just a thought!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 15, 2008, 11:05:45 AM
Dihannah, you are sweet to say that, but I am just a student of flackery and skullduggery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I agree with you, Di.  I can think of nothing more interesting than a few hours on the front porch listening to Tyler say wise things.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 11:10:08 AM
Hello all monkeys old and new.  Let's just take a step back and think about all this for a minute.  For the first time in over 2 years we are hearing what we have prayed for...corruption.  I am sure DeVries is feeling that old slap in the face as so many of us have before.  He will not be made a fool over this...his entire reputation is at stake.  If I read the Dutch correctly, being made to look foolish is not something they tend to take lightly.  Yes, the wine throwing incident was just the catalyst and now that Joran has skirted the law once again there will be more to come.

I doubt DeVries will let this go...at least we will all be here to help if needed...we can always stir the pot a little if necessary.  Truth is, we all knew Joran had no chance of being arrested...Mos clearly indicated it back in December when he told Greta there wasn't enough evidence.  I know so many of you still hold Mos in high regard, but until he takes these perps to trial I withhold judgement. I am still waiting to see him do something in this case that makes sense.

The corruption and cover up is massive.  We all know this...we have been in this for years now and it's nothing new.  So I say we have won a battle here...one that we have wanted for a while.  Aruba is now associated with the words corruption and cover up all over the world.  People are watching.  Joran can't go back to Aruba because they don't want him...how long can his parents continue to live there?  Eventually everyone will turn on the Sloots.  Nothing short of a murder conviction will get Aruba's tourism and money back.  Aruba is now persona non grata to the world. They have done nothing and due to a few people...now....nothing can be done.  The Dutch have to do something now too....they are linked with the Sloots...it's only a matter of time....something will happen...someone is going to talk...someone is going to give up the truth....we just have to be patient and stand with the girl.  My rant and my opinion for today.

Perked me up a little this morning.

Thank you Lala's and Thank you Marlee...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dawntreader on February 15, 2008, 11:11:05 AM
Hey Monkeys!
Haven't been able to keep up with all of the Monkey Talk, but I have been keeping up with the case as best I can. I was disappointed, but not surprised by the news today. I did, however, jot an email to my US Senator, complaining. Don't know if it will help, but I don't think it could hurt.  After all the Democrats and Republicans are both trying to get elected, right?
We need to keep the pressure on this investigation.
Hope all of you have a terrific weekend! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 11:20:59 AM
Aruba has definitely manipulated their legal system to ensure Joran never gets prosecuted. Witness staus vs. Suspect status, extensions, sudden vacations, etc..

Everyone plays their little part.
(1) Jacobs took care of physical evidence.
(2) VanderStraaten led police force.
(3) Trappenberg, Renfro, Schippers spread mis-information.
(4) Wit blocked search warrants.
(4) Smid released suspects.
(5) Jansen bungled prosecution.
(6) Dompig screwed up investigation.
(7) Mos - It is his turn to bungle the prosecution.

Mos knew what he was doing. A hired PR type of prosecutor to play the media. Re-arrest Joran (November) as taping was discovered by PdV. This raised the bar so high that nothing would stick to Joran. They knew what they were doing all along.

It is a game of pass the buck. Pass the hot potato. Blame gets passed around a never ending circle.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 11:38:12 AM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 11:42:44 AM
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/van_der_sloot_not_arrested_in.php

Van der Sloot not arrested in Natalee case
Friday 15 February 2008

The Aruban public prosecution department has confirmed it will not re-arrest Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch student seen on secret recordings confessing that he was with US teenager Natalee Holloway when she died.

An appeal court on Aruba has upheld an earlier ruling that there is not sufficient relevant new evidence to bring Van der Sloot into custody at present but that he remains an official suspect in the case.

Van der Sloot has already been arrested twice in connection with the girl's disappearance on the holiday island in 2005.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Bert Van Rooj told Radio 1 on Friday that justice officials had reached their decision because his client has told them he made up the confesssion.

The confession, recorded on secret cameras while Van der Sloot was in a car smoking marijuana with a friend, includes Van der Sloot saying a friend of his dumped Natalee's body at sea.

'There are objective facts which counteract what he has said,' Van Rooij said. Van der Sloot was lying in the confessions, he added.


Thank you Nut.

I do believe that Paulus van der Sloot was correct from day one ... NO BODY; NO CASE.

However ... all is not hopeless.  I firmly believe that the last chapter of the Natalee Holloway story has not been revealed and the implication ... Monkeys must not stray  ... they must remain on the untravelled path where the ultimate destination is justice for Natalee Holloway. 

Janet

+++++++++++++

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Matthew 26
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 15, 2008, 11:42:53 AM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

Could this woman (and I use that term loosely here) possibly get any more riduculous?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 11:43:24 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 11:46:55 AM
Soooooo...he must have been the blue eyed Dutch boy  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 11:48:24 AM
Aruba has definitely manipulated their legal system to ensure Joran never gets prosecuted. Witness staus vs. Suspect status, extensions, sudden vacations, etc..

Everyone plays their little part.
(1) Jacobs took care of physical evidence.
(2) VanderStraaten led police force.
(3) Trappenberg, Renfro, Schippers spread mis-information.
(4) Wit blocked search warrants.
(4) Smid released suspects.
(5) Jansen bungled prosecution.
(6) Dompig screwed up investigation.
(7) Mos - It is his turn to bungle the prosecution.

Mos knew what he was doing. A hired PR type of prosecutor to play the media. Re-arrest Joran (November) as taping was discovered by PdV. This raised the bar so high that nothing would stick to Joran. They knew what they were doing all along.

It is a game of pass the buck. Pass the hot potato. Blame gets passed around a never ending circle.



Exactly, and this is what burned me so much watching Greta last night. She kept saying why would Mos "tip his hat", that she couldn't believe they would do that, it must be something "in the water", as one of the panelist stated, all the while not once bringing up the obvious--that it's not incompetence, its corruption, plain and simple. I know she alluded to corruption previsouly, but time is of the essense here.

And to your point BUCKSHOT, these are not mistakes that professional prosecutors make. The pattern is clear. If I can come onto this site over the last several weeks and absorb the multitude of angles this case presents and be 100% certaint that a cover up occured, based on the evidence and what is in the public domain, why can't Mos do the same? Why isn't he speaking out? Why isn't he bringing to light the fact that given the relationships between the suspects and the people investigating them, there should have been many recusals. As far as I know, not one person recused him, or, herself, from this case, certainly none of the critical players did. What about the charges levied intially then recanted, what about "heavy battery"? There is so much that must be explained, there is no accountability, no laws, no system, no justice, nothing, there is absolutely nothing holding this together except a circle of evil-doers. They don't have a pot to piss in, yet, they continue to run the show. Integrity, guts, morals...doesn't anyone give a rat's ass?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 11:49:28 AM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.


Is this for real...did she really post that?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: NM on February 15, 2008, 11:59:52 AM
Hey Monkeys,

I'm in shock, not b/c the ale refuses to arrest jurin but b/c I'm not devasated by it.
I am more emotional that Marlee, her son and CJ are driving 12 hours to the Boston Travel show to be Nalatee's voice.

I believe my lack of sadness and anger are part from reading the news here 1st and reading here for support and part because we have been through this and worst so many, many times. This is a "mere flesh wound" (quote Monty Python).

We have gotten though all of those horrible times before, together, we increased in numbers, we increased in stregth and increased in knowledge. Honestly, the silver lining to this particular cloud, and a great source of momentum for Natalee's cause is that now, we have Peter DeVries, and the population of the Netherlands behind her.

Some words of advise for newer Monkeys, stay on SM it is a great support and brainstorm ideas and plan what to do next.  This was just one drop of water in the bucket.

"I stand with the girl" and all who support her!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: NM on February 15, 2008, 12:01:37 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.


Is this for real...did she really post that?


Wow! There are jewelry stores in heaven?! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: NM on February 15, 2008, 12:02:47 PM
Hi Monkeys!
 Even after Joran has confessed to Natalee’s demise, called the Aruban law enforcement “f*cking idiots” and laughed in the face of the Aruban government, the judge has made the decision there will be no re-arrest of Joran. Now, more than ever, we need to unite and fight to get justice for Natalee.

The Boston Travel Show is being held February 22-24. Aruba is a supporting sponsor of this event. We need YOU there. We need to let Aruba know that we will not stand for this type of treatment of an American citizen.  We need to educate travelers on the cover up, corruption, and injustice that abounds on Aruba.

My son and I are driving 12 hours to get there. Six hours into the trip we are picking up fellow Monkey CJ. We have a hotel room in downtown Boston, 1.5 miles from the convention center, for $60 a night through Priceline.com. If I can do this, so can you. If you can only be there for 15 minutes, an hour, a day, we need to unite and stand strong for what we believe.

You don’t have to post here to be a Monkey; you don’t have to read here every day to be a Monkey. To me, the definition of a Monkey is someone who believes in justice for Natalee and all missing people.  Someone who believes that Aruban Government needs to do the right thing and if they don’t they need to suffer the consequences.
I know there are Monkey’s that are closer to Boston than we are. WE NEED YOU THERE!!!

If you are able to join us at the Boston Travel Show, please contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for details.

Here is a link for the travel show  http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE HOLLOWAY!  (If we don't, who will?)


Marlee, you are one of my heros.  This is so great what you are doing. Thank you. xoxo NM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:03:35 PM
XVII. Support the Effort

Update: Fri 15-Feb 1100 hrs
Over the past few days, progress in the deep water areas has been hampered by 14ft seas and 30kt+ wind. The conditions are simply too rough to work safely. Today, the Persistence headed out to the survey area, completed a single line, and headed back to the dock after getting pounded in the rough conditions.

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: downloadingdaddy on February 15, 2008, 12:04:56 PM
I have looked at all the news sites around the internet and have not been able to find one report besides here at sm that states the decision to not rearrest. I am very dissappointed because this is the news that needs to be spread now that so many peo0ple from around the world are watching this case. The world needs to see what we have known all along that the powers that be in Aruba have no intention of arresting the guilty parties, they made that clear when they arrested the black security guards based solely on joran the liars statement and now again by refusing to arrest him based on his own admissions.

J4N


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 12:08:39 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on February 15, 2008, 12:10:45 PM
Keepthefaith.There's a reason i chose that name.I truly believe Natalee's work has just begun!Need to keep the pressure up in anyway we can.The Dirty old men network on Aruba can't spoil there party.Keep the eyes of the world on Aruba,there dirty little secrets and maybe,just maybe,we can stop this from happening to any other Beautiful Soul!!Joran can never go anywhere now.He is a Leper!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Keepthefaith.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 12:12:10 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 12:12:28 PM
The following segment is taken from this great ABC article which connects Natalee's condition ... which was described by Joran in the Devries' recording ... to the date rape drug GHB.

The following segment pertains to yesterday's decision regarding the decision by Aruba not to rearrest Joran ... according to Joe Tacopina.  I cannot comprehend was there has not been a press release/statement from the prosecutor's office.  There is nothing being reported on the FOX or CNN websites.

Has Hans Mos gone into hiding.

Janet

++++++++++++

http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4295570&page=1
http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4295570&page=2
http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4295570&page=3
http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4295570&page=4

Was Natalee Holloway Drugged?
Medical Experts Tell ABC News Alabama Teen May Have Been Drugged
By CHRIS FRANCESCANI
ABC News Law & Justice Unit
Feb. 15, 2008


<snipped>

Prosecutor Hans Mos said he believes the undercover tapes will be legally admissible in an Aruban court, but a judge late Thursday denied prosecutors' appeal for an arrest warrant, a bid that had been previously denied by a lower court judge, Joe Tacopina, Van der Sloot's lawyer told ABC News.

That means that unless prosecutors develop new information — they have claimed to be receiving dozens of e-mail tips since the documentary aired last week — it will be difficult if not impossible to bring charges against Van der Sloot.

The court ruled that Van der Sloot's admissions on the tape are inconsistent with other evidence and not sufficient to detain him. He has been arrested and released twice since Holloway's May 2005 disappearance.

Aruban prosecutors could not immediately be reached for comment on Thursday's court decision.

Van der Sloot has denied the claims he made on hours of undercover video over the course of several days last month, reportedly telling prosecutors in an interview last week that he made up the allegations because he was high on marijuana. He has also said he was trying to impress Patrick Van der Eem, 34, who was actually working undercover for a Dutch investigative reporter.

<snipped>




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.

 ::MonkeyDance::

This eternal romantic keeps thinking ... maybe ... just maybe ....

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 12:15:51 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.


Thanks Klaas....8PM works for me...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Spock on February 15, 2008, 12:20:24 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem
The Dutch (in the netherlands, not just Aruba) have had a plan since the beginning: COVERUP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Auntiem on February 15, 2008, 12:21:09 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.

 ::MonkeyDance::

This eternal romantic keeps thinking ... maybe ... just maybe ....

Janet

   I'm with you Janet..I love Jug.  I don't think Beth is seeing Ramsey anymore...I think that it was some kind of Cathartic Relationship,,, Jug seems  to care so much!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Observer on February 15, 2008, 12:21:09 PM
Hey Monkeys,

I'm in shock, not b/c the ale refuses to arrest jurin but b/c I'm not devasated by it.
I am more emotional that Marlee, her son and CJ are driving 12 hours to the Boston Travel show to be Nalatee's voice.

I believe my lack of sadness and anger are part from reading the news here 1st and reading here for support and part because we have been through this and worst so many, many times. This is a "mere flesh wound" (quote Monty Python).

We have gotten though all of those horrible times before, together, we increased in numbers, we increased in stregth and increased in knowledge. Honestly, the silver lining to this particular cloud, and a great source of momentum for Natalee's cause is that now, we have Peter DeVries, and the population of the Netherlands behind her.

Some words of advise for newer Monkeys, stay on SM it is a great support and brainstorm ideas and plan what to do next.  This was just one drop of water in the bucket.

"I stand with the girl" and all who support her!
"I stand with the girl" also and I look forward to standing with Marlee,CJ and her son in support of Natalee in Boston. Boston has had a long history of vacationing in Aruba and it's important that they are educated and that they also make a stand,if only every American really knew what the Aruban Govt did to Natalee and her Family.

There is another Trade Show in NY the following month. We still need people for this event,if you can make it even for one day please do so. These two Travel Show's are the biggest of the year for the ATA and its very important Natalee has a voice as they peddle there precious tourism in there biggest market for tourists. God bless the Northeast,but they still continue to travel to Aruba by the thousands every month.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 12:27:18 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem
The Dutch (in the netherlands, not just Aruba) have had a plan since the beginning: COVERUP


That is an understament.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 12:29:59 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.

 ::MonkeyDance::

This eternal romantic keeps thinking ... maybe ... just maybe ....

Janet


Tamikosmom...You probably have this already, but will post the link just in case...Some of the links have already gone.

   http://scrux.com/natalee/studentquotes.htm


Last time I checked all the Nancy Grace transcripts and a lot of CNN are still available if you don't have all the early ones. First NG is 6/4 I believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 12:35:41 PM
Lala's mom,

I agree that the word corruption and coverup attached to Aruba is good, but the window is still small right now and the media is too far behind.

I'm concerned that de vries uses the expression "the case is solved." I'm worried that he said as of yesterday, that from a journalistic perspective it's over.

I'm not happy with these terms. I think only squeezing the family of Paulus, by any means necessary or the Kalpoes, we may be waiting years.

Our own government is not much help.

Yes, you are right...but De Vries hasn't made good on his promise... the Sloots are still controlling things...De Vries credibility is at stake..I guess he wants to go down in flames at the  Sloots feet then.  I don't think he wants the world to know that even he did not get Joran van der Sloot...the world is now watching and I am hoping Joran is a marked man for life.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 12:38:02 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

Oh for pete's sake!   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 15, 2008, 12:41:38 PM
Interesting -- discouraging but interesting ::MonkeyEek::

Every time Aruba's legal system makes a decision like this Joran becomes bolder and more comfortable that he has committed the perfect crime.

Each time he gets a little more comfortable he makes more decisions that points to the rest of the world as evidence to his guilt.

By the time we get to an actual admission of murder he will feel so insulated from prosecution and so cocky that he got away with it that he won't even hear American Law Enforcement Agents pulling a Noriega snatch and whisking him away to Alabama to stand trial on American soil.  ::MonkeyWink::

Don't think it will happen?  Noriega didn't either and he was a head of state (not a head of shame). ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Rob on February 15, 2008, 12:43:17 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem
The Dutch (in the netherlands, not just Aruba) have had a plan since the beginning: COVERUP


That is an understament.

That statement above says nothing about Justice - just image. And the image is tattered, battered and tarnished because of a lack of Justice. No other reason.

Concern for the image is the wrong approach - get the wheels of Justice turning and the image will repair itself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 12:51:50 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem
The Dutch (in the netherlands, not just Aruba) have had a plan since the beginning: COVERUP


That is an understament.

That statement above says nothing about Justice - just image. And the image is tattered, battered and tarnished because of a lack of Justice. No other reason.

Concern for the image is the wrong approach - get the wheels of Justice turning and the image will repair itself.


it's obvious.
but i can now confirm the dutch parliament is making the corruption problem an issue in the next few weeks.

imo opinion this could be a interesting debate. finally we may hear our concerns being adressed.
the silence the last few weeks over here was just painful.

tonight peter r. de vries makes an appearance at pauw/witteman.

it will also be the topic on news shows eenvandaag, netwerk and nova.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 12:54:47 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.

 ::MonkeyDance::

This eternal romantic keeps thinking ... maybe ... just maybe ....

Janet


Tamikosmom...You probably have this already, but will post the link just in case...Some of the links have already gone.

   http://scrux.com/natalee/studentquotes.htm


Last time I checked all the Nancy Grace transcripts and a lot of CNN are still available if you don't have all the early ones. First NG is 6/4 I believe.

Thank you Mum.

I have found that all the links which I have save that connect me to talk show interviews on CNN, FOX and MSNBC are still accessible.  Nevertheless ... to be on the safe side ... I have save entire transcripts ... the important ones.  The Greta/Charles Croes and ... the Greta/Mickey Johns ... to name two.

However ... many links to published articles have gone "poof".  I have found that many articles orginated from the Associated Press.  A google (sounds obscene) search of key words from a saved quote often comes up with an existing link to the same article but ... a different publisher.

Mum ... thank you again.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem
The Dutch (in the netherlands, not just Aruba) have had a plan since the beginning: COVERUP


That is an understament.

That statement above says nothing about Justice - just image. And the image is tattered, battered and tarnished because of a lack of Justice. No other reason.

Concern for the image is the wrong approach - get the wheels of Justice turning and the image will repair itself.


yes it's all about image.

our foreign minister Maxime Verhagen put it like this two days ago:

Quote
As you know the reputation of The Hague as the judicial capital of the world is close to my heart.
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http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/speeches,2008/02/Verhagen-opent-bedrijfslocatie-Hague-Centre-for-St.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Marlee on February 15, 2008, 12:59:58 PM


Hi Sherry! You are very welcome to post this over at Webslueths!! Thank you for the support!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 01:06:13 PM
She provided no link.....
Here goes>>>>>
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:38 pm   

Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.

J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Marlee on February 15, 2008, 01:07:14 PM


Hi Sherry! You are very welcome to post this over at Webslueths!! Thank you for the support!!

Hi Monkeys!

Even after Joran has confessed to Natalee’s demise, called the Aruban law enforcement “f*cking idiots” and laughed in the face of the Aruban government, the judge has made the decision there will be no re-arrest of Joran. Now, more than ever, we need to unite and fight to get justice for Natalee.

The Boston Travel Show is being held February 22-24. Aruba is a supporting sponsor of this event. We need YOU there. We need to let Aruba know that we will not stand for this type of treatment of an American citizen.  We need to educate travelers on the cover up, corruption, and injustice that abounds on Aruba.

My son and I are driving 12 hours to get there. Six hours into the trip we are picking up fellow Monkey CJ. We have a hotel room in downtown Boston, 1.5 miles from the convention center, for $60 a night through Priceline.com. If I can do this, so can you. If you can only be there for 15 minutes, an hour, a day, we need to unite and stand strong for what we believe.

You don’t have to post here to be a Monkey; you don’t have to read here every day to be a Monkey. To me, the definition of a Monkey is someone who believes in justice for Natalee and all missing people.  Someone who believes that Aruban Government needs to do the right thing and if they don’t they need to suffer the consequences.
I know there are Monkey’s that are closer to Boston than we are. WE NEED YOU THERE!!!

If you are able to join us at the Boston Travel Show, please contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for details.

Here is a link for the travel show  http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE HOLLOWAY!  (If we don't, who will?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: snoopy on February 15, 2008, 01:10:44 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

Well no kidding!  It doesn't matter ya skank cause it's not true.  Go crawl back under your rock Julia/Glenda/Bondia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 01:15:33 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

Rudy Croes ... the Aruban Minister of Justice ... gave credibility to Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young when he requested Hans Mos to investigate their despicable accusations against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway.

I can not get past this incredible low that this representative of Aruba sunk in his attempt to distance Joran and Paulus from implication..

Janet

++++++++++

Rudy Croes
Amigoe
January 17, 2008


Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php


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Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 01:17:56 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

Rudy Croes ... the Aruban Minister of Justice ... gave credibility to Kelly Castillo and Daniel Young when he requested Hans Mos to investigate their despicable accusations against the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway.

I can not get past this incredible low that this representative of Aruba sunk in his attempt to distance Joran and Paulus from implication..

Janet

++++++++++

Rudy Croes
Amigoe
January 17, 2008


Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg329756#msg329756

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php

Well now, I wonder how pitbulls' wife feels about this???

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Hi all!
I have to do some serious catchup on my reading, but wanted to reply first because yesterday i promised ala_gunslinger an answer to a question.

ala_gunslinger: the dutch CAN apply the Marshall rule.
but there is a lot going on at the moment.
i will try to sketch the situation in a nutshell.

the islands are a haven to those who want to duck taxes. however, they do ask holland for help in solving their debts and got that help. holland does not like it that we get islanders over here who break the law.now the islands want the status aparte.
people in holland were asked if they are before or against this.
most of the dutch are in favour of this, and we want it to be possible to sent those who break the law back to their island.
the parliament is in nagotiation with the islands how to arrange this al.
they both do not want to break up or endanger nagotiations, both for their own reasons. i guess that is why the dutch premier balkenende is so cowardless looking away from this natalee case.

if the islands get the status aparte however, the islands are under international law instead of under dutch law. i think that would be far better for this natalee holloway case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 01:22:58 PM
She provided no link.....
Here goes>>>>>
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:38 pm   

Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.

J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not. 



Thanks Nut.

The above reflects many of the office statements that have been released from the Prosecutor's office since the November, 2007 detainment of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

Janet

+++++++++

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
By NBC 13 Staff
E-mail
From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:


The office notified the three suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 24 year old D.S.K., his brother, 21 year old S.S.K., and 20 year old J.v.d. S., that no charges will be brought against them.

<snipped>

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 01:23:14 PM
Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 15:13 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reason to fear that, if he goes out, he won't make it to the other side of the street."

The lawyer was referring to the public response to a television show broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February, in which Joran van der Sloot revealed his part in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in hidden camera footage. The two-hour programme was watched by seven million viewers, more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

Mr De Rooij said some of the things Mr Van der Sloot said during the programme couldn't possibly be true.

for some reason I can't copy the rest....
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on February 15, 2008, 01:23:25 PM
Hey Monkeys!
Haven't been able to keep up with all of the Monkey Talk, but I have been keeping up with the case as best I can. I was disappointed, but not surprised by the news today. I did, however, jot an email to my US Senator, complaining. Don't know if it will help, but I don't think it could hurt.  After all the Democrats and Republicans are both trying to get elected, right?
We need to keep the pressure on this investigation.
Hope all of you have a terrific weekend! ::MonkeyCool::


ty and hello dawn.....every bit helps.

I am mad, but not really surprised Joran gets another free pass.
Aruba does look so corrupt now.
Hoping Persistence has some luck soon.  Keep the faith.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 01:24:44 PM
seems we saw that several days ago, but the date says today.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:25:26 PM
its allover the tv again tonight.
just saw peter de vries. he said that his investigations in this case are continuing.
yeahhhhhhhh! ::MonkeyDance::

then a lawyer came on he said peter de vries should stay out of it because he only obstucts investigations with his research  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Hi all!
I have to do some serious catchup on my reading, but wanted to reply first because yesterday i promised ala_gunslinger an answer to a question.

ala_gunslinger: the dutch CAN apply the Marshall rule.
but there is a lot going on at the moment.
i will try to sketch the situation in a nutshell.

the islands are a haven to those who want to duck taxes. however, they do ask holland for help in solving their debts and got that help. holland does not like it that we get islanders over here who break the law.now the islands want the status aparte.
people in holland were asked if they are before or against this.
most of the dutch are in favour of this, and we want it to be possible to sent those who break the law back to their island.
the parliament is in nagotiation with the islands how to arrange this al.
they both do not want to break up or endanger nagotiations, both for their own reasons. i guess that is why the dutch premier balkenende is so cowardless looking away from this natalee case.

if the islands get the status aparte however, the islands are under international law instead of under dutch law. i think that would be far better for this natalee holloway case.


Thank you very much for your reply.  I understand.

In catching up, I noticed some may be confusing marshal law and marshal rule.  There is a difference.  Under marshal law, the military assists the local law enforcement.  Under marshal rule, the military replaces local law enforcement.  I am sorry for confusing anyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:29:14 PM
what de rooij said to the dutch radio is exactly the way we dutch think about joran.
he shouldnt be in holland anyway. thought he'd be safer here then in aruba? we dont want you here joran, go take a swim!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JusticeDawg on February 15, 2008, 01:30:35 PM
We need to hold a mock trial here in the cage and present all the evidence here and let the monkey's of justice hang (Try) him with a banana peeling.

What do you say, Monkeys?

JusticeDawg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:30:43 PM
ala_gunslinger, they can do both.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 01:30:57 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

What profound garbage. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:32:42 PM
there is so much info, that sometimes it does not make things clear, but instead it confuses, IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 01:34:39 PM
Imnoangel,

Could Holland pressure janssen and van der straaten and the van der sloot family buy doing what we have here, an audit by the IRS?

Do the ex Police Chief and Prosecutor have a responsibility to come to Holland for questioning as employees of the State?

Gee, I hope Jossy could track down the security guards, it would at the very least be interesting to have them interviewed?

Although isn't one of them still an official suspect?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 01:34:51 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.

What profound garbage. 

Edited to add:  It's scary to think of the low IQ/ lack of basic education it would require to believe their deranged posts over at that site. Yikes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 01:35:16 PM

Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 15:13 UTC

Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reason to fear that, if he goes out, he won't make it to the other side of the street."

The lawyer was referring to the public response to a television show broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February, in which Joran van der Sloot revealed his part in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in hidden camera footage. The two-hour programme was watched by seven million viewers, more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

Mr De Rooij said some of the things Mr Van der Sloot said during the programme couldn't possibly be true.

for some reason I can't copy the rest....

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life


.... Referring to his client's statement that he made a local call for help on the night Ms Holloway went missing, the lawyer pointed out: "The public telephone he said he called from can only be used for international calls.”

_________

Thanks Nut.

Maybe something will not be forthcoming on FOX, CNN ...

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:35:29 PM
well yesterday i was down because joran will not go to jail for now, but the investigations havent stopped, and de vries said hans moss is very dedicated to solve this case. i give him the benefit of the doubt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on February 15, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
there is so much info, that sometimes it does not make things clear, but instead it confuses, IMO

mmmmm....sounds like papiamento???  ( or bullsh*t)   IMO
cant make heads or tails of it.
lots of loopholes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.


Is this for real...did she really post that?



It surely sounds like what we've seen brought over to SM from there.  Par for the course, imo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: littletxlady on February 15, 2008, 01:41:54 PM

Good Morning Monkeys.....Klaas, do you ever get any sleep?

I found this earlier. It was made in Holland I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:42:15 PM
from an article in de telegraaf (today):Een van de vragen is bijvoorbeeld of justitie zichzelf beperkingen moet opleggen om resultaten van dubieuze opsporing als bewijs te gebruiken. „De uitkomsten van dat onderzoek kunnen leiden tot nieuw OM-beleid”, aldus Brouwer.

one of the questions is f.i. wether justice dept. should restrain itself from using the results of dubious (not the right word i guess) investigation as evidence "the outcome of that investigation can lead to new police by OM" said Brouwer.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 01:42:59 PM
Just got word that JUG or BETH, or both will be on Nancy Grace tonight.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on February 15, 2008, 01:43:09 PM
Moss needs a dope slap and a reality check.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 15, 2008, 01:49:28 PM

Good Morning Monkeys.....Klaas, do you ever get any sleep?

I found this earlier. It was made in Holland I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA

You know, I'm not a young thing anymore but I really like this song.  I'm going to download it to IPOD.  I bet this could become a hit with a little promotion.  Now THAT would keep the story alive!  Anyone know anything about the music industry?

Joran you're a shit.  You dumped the body, T H E  B O D Y

All you get's a slap on the hand you're the OJ of the Netherlands



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 15, 2008, 01:50:29 PM
Hello all monkeys old and new.  Let's just take a step back and think about all this for a minute.  For the first time in over 2 years we are hearing what we have prayed for...corruption.  I am sure DeVries is feeling that old slap in the face as so many of us have before.  He will not be made a fool over this...his entire reputation is at stake.  If I read the Dutch correctly, being made to look foolish is not something they tend to take lightly.  Yes, the wine throwing incident was just the catalyst and now that Joran has skirted the law once again there will be more to come.

I doubt DeVries will let this go...at least we will all be here to help if needed...we can always stir the pot a little if necessary.  Truth is, we all knew Joran had no chance of being arrested...Mos clearly indicated it back in December when he told Greta there wasn't enough evidence.  I know so many of you still hold Mos in high regard, but until he takes these perps to trial I withhold judgement. I am still waiting to see him do something in this case that makes sense.

The corruption and cover up is massive.  We all know this...we have been in this for years now and it's nothing new.  So I say we have won a battle here...one that we have wanted for a while.  Aruba is now associated with the words corruption and cover up all over the world.  People are watching.  Joran can't go back to Aruba because they don't want him...how long can his parents continue to live there?  Eventually everyone will turn on the Sloots.  Nothing short of a murder conviction will get Aruba's tourism and money back.  Aruba is now persona non grata to the world. They have done nothing and due to a few people...now....nothing can be done.  The Dutch have to do something now too....they are linked with the Sloots...it's only a matter of time....something will happen...someone is going to talk...someone is going to give up the truth....we just have to be patient and stand with the girl.  My rant and my opinion for today.

I'd like to second that awesome rant.  Good job, Lalas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
friend of monkey, if you have any doubts about my intentions, you could have the courtesy of asking instead of posting a comment like that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: NM on February 15, 2008, 01:58:36 PM
We need to hold a mock trial here in the cage and present all the evidence here and let the monkey's of justice hang (Try) him with a banana peeling.

What do you say, Monkeys?

JusticeDawg
Hi JusticeDawg,
I like this idea. Beth can be judge and we all can be the prosecution, and no defense!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 01:59:02 PM
I think we've been here too long to have faith in anyone, de vries, Jossy, Greta, Mos, etc.

It's not a criticism, just that they are not as committed as Beth is. Even relying on the past performances should give anyone a pass.

We have to keep pushing, everyone all the time, it's the only way. I still think the media including de vries are not focusing on the adults.

Joran is a freak show, a distraction, a punching bag. There's nothing there. He immunized himself.

The Kalpoes and the dirty police to me is the fastest way to justice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on February 15, 2008, 02:01:33 PM
Hi Monkeys!
 Even after Joran has confessed to Natalee’s demise, called the Aruban law enforcement “f*cking idiots” and laughed in the face of the Aruban government, the judge has made the decision there will be no re-arrest of Joran. Now, more than ever, we need to unite and fight to get justice for Natalee.

The Boston Travel Show is being held February 22-24. Aruba is a supporting sponsor of this event. We need YOU there. We need to let Aruba know that we will not stand for this type of treatment of an American citizen.  We need to educate travelers on the cover up, corruption, and injustice that abounds on Aruba.

My son and I are driving 12 hours to get there. Six hours into the trip we are picking up fellow Monkey CJ. We have a hotel room in downtown Boston, 1.5 miles from the convention center, for $60 a night through Priceline.com. If I can do this, so can you. If you can only be there for 15 minutes, an hour, a day, we need to unite and stand strong for what we believe.

You don’t have to post here to be a Monkey; you don’t have to read here every day to be a Monkey. To me, the definition of a Monkey is someone who believes in justice for Natalee and all missing people.  Someone who believes that Aruban Government needs to do the right thing and if they don’t they need to suffer the consequences.
I know there are Monkey’s that are closer to Boston than we are. WE NEED YOU THERE!!!

If you are able to join us at the Boston Travel Show, please contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for details.

Here is a link for the travel show  http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE HOLLOWAY!  (If we don't, who will?)


Yeah Marlee, see you there!  I got the signs and all, we are ready! 

BTW People, we really need people in NY also.  Its so "Not Staffed"  that we can only be there saturday.  I am taking a train there, so you can too.  I know we have New Englanders here, please help, its for Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
Posted by MF at RU:

Between Balkenende en Oduber.

For two years the Netherlands has been avoiding the Natalee Holloway case, considering it a local/Aruba problem and investigation. They gave their assistance but did not want to get involved. However it a took a Peter R. De Vries show to wake the Dutch government up and they finally understood that this is a Dutch image problem in the US.

There is lack of understanding of the Dutch system in the US and it would hurt the image of the Dutch people, its system and finally the government. The Dutch government is now very concerned that all the Dutch people involved one way or another in the case, would finally not only damage of the country but also the relation between all the countries involved.

He is now asking for a plan to fight this problem


It has always been a Dutch problem. Joran and Paulus are from Holland, Van der Straten and Jannsen are from Holland, all the judges are from Holland. This is all about Dutchies covering for Dutchies. It just happened on Aruba.

Very few Arubans were involved in the crime or the cover-up. It is about time they realized this. So what are we going to get here, lessons in Dutch law? No thanks! We know all we need to know. We've watched it fail for 32 months.

How about some real action by digging into the cover-up by those Dutchies and prosecuting them, then maybe they'll tell what they know Joran and Paulus did. That's action.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 15, 2008, 02:04:54 PM
well yesterday i was down because joran will not go to jail for now, but the investigations havent stopped, and de vries said hans moss is very dedicated to solve this case. i give him the benefit of the doubt.



Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.

JMO, of course.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
corruption is everywhere, in every country. i do admit that reading what happend in this particular case it looks like there is a concentration of corruption on aruba.

my point of view is, even in this case:
not every human being is corrupt, and one man can make a difference.
so i did not lose faith totally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 02:08:35 PM
there is so much info, that sometimes it does not make things clear, but instead it confuses, IMO

mmmmm....sounds like papiamento???  ( or bullsh*t)   IMO
cant make heads or tails of it.
lots of loopholes.

FOM - "imnoangel" is Dutch and she's been very helpful.  We have a number of new very helpful Dutch members. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 02:09:11 PM
Using the same standard required to arrest Joran or anyone, we still don't know how Aruba knows, and the key word is KNOWS, Natalee is dead?

Not speculation, proof. I wish Beth would demand this. How can you say she's dead without proof?

There is no evidence she was ever at the Beach. No witnesses, not forensics, only the word of Joran van der sloot. The same word that got the security guards arrested.

But the KLPD, when they took over the case, searched the sand dunes and the van der sloot property. Now that gives me hope they know what happened.

But I am convinced the crime scene is the VDS property.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 02:10:15 PM
O /T  Klaas, when you get a sec could you mark Body Found in missing persons > Lance Bossie  - TY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 02:12:02 PM
thanks for defending me klaasend, appreciate it.
however i know my english is not the best and that can raise questions.
i can only say my intentions are good.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 02:13:17 PM

Good Morning Monkeys.....Klaas, do you ever get any sleep?

I found this earlier. It was made in Holland I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA

You know, I'm not a young thing anymore but I really like this song.  I'm going to download it to IPOD.  I bet this could become a hit with a little promotion.  Now THAT would keep the story alive!  Anyone know anything about the music industry?

Joran you're a shit.  You dumped the body, T H E  B O D Y

All you get's a slap on the hand you're the OJ of the Netherlands



this is made by 'boom chicago'.
it's a american standy up and comedy group based in amsterdam.
they also make pieces voor 'comedycentral news' - that's like a dutch version of 'the daily show'.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AVA on February 15, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
What do we really know about Andre Santos.....nickname DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDre


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 15, 2008, 02:15:08 PM
Using the same standard required to arrest Joran or anyone, we still don't know how Aruba knows, and the key word is KNOWS, Natalee is dead?
Not speculation, proof. I wish Beth would demand this. How can you say she's dead without proof?


That question needs to be put to Jan Van Der Straten...he said he knew she was dead and when asked why he said that he replied because he had ssen the facts of the case, or knew the facts of the case.

Hey Mos!.....Bring Van Der Straten in for questioning...that should go a long way toward revealing the truth about this case!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 02:15:09 PM
hoi caesu en goedeavond!
heb je vannacht mn antwoordpost op jouw post nog gelezen?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 15, 2008, 02:17:16 PM
Martial law is the system of rules that takes effect when the military takes control of the normal administration of justice.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law)

The Marshall Plan (from its enactment, officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was the primary plan of the United States for rebuilding and creating a stronger foundation for the allied countries of Europe, and repelling communism after World War II. The initiative was named for Secretary of State George Marshall and was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 02:17:17 PM
My comments in red:

She provided no link.....
Here goes>>>>>
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:38 pm   

Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.

J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

How can what he said not be deemed serious? He watched her die and called to have her body disposed of, how the hell is that not serious? And why should the "lapse in time" matter, its new information, a confession, the timing of its release should be irrelevent? You're saying you're hesitant...hesitant, what the hell are you hesitating for? Please we all want to know what the friggin probelm is.  

Jv.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings. [/u]

This paragraph really pisses me off. He gave "extensive and detailed statements" because he had intimate knowledge of what occured. Such statements of detail could only have been made by someone who was there. So they are saying they can't believe him because he is a liar and because of his lies related to the case he is believed not to be involved. If you are to follow this thinking all someone would have to do to be found innocent is change their story multiple times and be deemed a liar. I'm sorry, but this is the most fucked up line of reasoning I have ever heard of. How can they write this crap to the world? Oh, and there is no such thing as "objectiveness" in this investigation. Again, you can't possible claim objectiveness because the people that should have recused themselves in the beginning didn't and are complicit in the cover-up. One more time, this paragraph sucks.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

Another claim that because Joran lies, he cannot be believed, but is to be believed he is not involved. And the phrase "according to the suspect himself are freqeuently false" also pisses me off. You just made the point in the previous paragraph that he cannot be believed and that is why you don't see sufficient evidence to re-arrest, yet, you now are backing up your assessment that he lies with his own words, "according to the suspect himself." This is plain stupid. And what is up with emphasizing that the prosecution brought up the personality disorder? Why would they do that and why would the court go out of its way to let us know that they did so? Again, this is f***ing sickening.

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

Well, let's throw a friggin party shall we!!

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not. 

May GOD have mercy on these people.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 02:19:23 PM
hoi caesu en goedeavond!
heb je vannacht mn antwoordpost op jouw post nog gelezen?

ja ik heb het gelezen. dankjewel.

ik hoop nu op de tweede kamer en peter r. de vries.
en ik hoop niet dat er nog een slachtoffer nodig is om jvds achter de tralies te krijgen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 02:19:35 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.


Is this for real...did she really post that?



It surely sounds like what we've seen brought over to SM from there.  Par for the course, imo.

I was so angry when I read that. I erased what I wanted to post.

They must not have shrinks or she is a lost cause....the latter...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 02:20:17 PM
nee precies caesu zo denk ik er ook over. ik ga nu netwerk kijken


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 02:22:10 PM
Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 15:13 UTC
Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reason to fear that, if he goes out, he won't make it to the other side of the street."

The lawyer was referring to the public response to a television show broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February, in which Joran van der Sloot revealed his part in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in hidden camera footage. The two-hour programme was watched by seven million viewers, more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

Mr De Rooij said some of the things Mr Van der Sloot said during the programme couldn't possibly be true.

for some reason I can't copy the rest....
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life

Thanks for bringing that over Nut.   There is some small satisfaction I take from that....   Too bad, he didn't think of Natalee's fear HE put her through.   I hope if he is never brought to justice, that this is how he has to live out the rest of his life!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 02:22:50 PM

Good Morning Monkeys.....Klaas, do you ever get any sleep?

I found this earlier. It was made in Holland I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXEh6ihYbA

You know, I'm not a young thing anymore but I really like this song.  I'm going to download it to IPOD.  I bet this could become a hit with a little promotion.  Now THAT would keep the story alive!  Anyone know anything about the music industry?

Joran you're a shit.  You dumped the body, T H E  B O D Y

All you get's a slap on the hand you're the OJ of the Netherlands




LOL....Beans, I do too, my son asked me how many times I was gonna play that...he and his teenage friends LTAO...

Ya know we need to find some radio stations to play that....
Bet Walton and Johnson would play it...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 02:24:17 PM
I am confused.  Something is not right!

Why is the American media silent in to regards to yesterday's ruling?  All major networks must have picked up on it by now.  Greta was alluding to it last night.  Nothing but a mention hidden deep in an article by ABC regarding the connection between the date rape drug and ... Natalee's condition as per Joran.  Why are Americans not outraged?

What is Senator Richard Shelby take on the latest developments?  Could he be encouraged to again make a stand for Natalee Holloway ... an 18 year old American citizen?

Janet

++++++++++++


Aruba travel boycott
Senator supports initiative to punish country for 'botched' Holloway case


MSNBC
updated 7:41 p.m. PT, Tues., Nov. 8, 2005


In an exclusive interview, Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) tells MSNBC-TV's Rita Cosby that he supports a travel boycott of Aruba "to let the people of Aruba know that their law enforcement and their investigative authorities...have botched this whole operation" to find missing teen Natalee Holloway.

In an interview to air tonight on MSNBC's "Rita Cosby: Live and Direct," Shelby also says this move sends a strong message with economical consequences.

The following is the complete transcript of the interview. "Rita Cosby: Live and Direct" airs weeknights at 9 p.m. ET.

RITA COSBY, MSNBC ANCHOR: Senator Shelby, how do you feel about the boycott?

SEN. RICHARD SHELBY (R), ALABAMA: I think it's a thing that we should have been pushing months ago. I'm glad that Governor Riley's come out today. I'm certainly going to support a boycott. But more than that, John Walsh the other night, from television, he said this one of the things that we could do that would be positive, to let the people of Aruba know that their law enforcement and their investigative authorities and so forth have botched this whole operation.

COSBY: You know, the governor of Alabama talked about calling other governors, basically all 49 other states, saying, "Please join on board." Are you planning on doing the same thing with other senators?

SHELBY: Well, I would join him, and I would join and call for a boycott because, you know, you try to get the attention of the Aruban government. I started at the beginning. I was dealing with the FBI director, I was dealing with the ambassador, the Dutch ambassador. I was dealing with our secretary of state, everything. And there was a lot of double talk here.

But, you know, when I see somebody like Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway do what she's done, persevere as she's done on behalf of her daughter, I think the least we could do as public officials is support her, to speak out — although she is from my state of Alabama and Natalee Holloway is of course too, this wouldn't matter.

I think we, as Americans, ought to send a message to the people of Aruba that we're not going to just sit by, ignore what's gone on here. This has been reprehensible conduct, I believe, on the part of the government. It looks like it's cover-up, lack of cooperation. I think it's a sad case of investigation.

COSBY: Are you prepared now to call for a boycott yourself, and urge others to do so?

SHELBY: Absolutely. I would join in what Governor Riley, what Beth Twitty, and what John Walsh, who's very respected in this area all over the world, have called for. I think it's the thing to do. Will it work? I don't know, but I would hope so. This is the winter season coming. That's when, you know, thousands and thousands of people from the United States support the Aruban economy.

COSBY: That's the question, you know when you look at the travel agencies and you look at the specifics, 75 percent of the people who go there, the tourists, are American. How is this going to work?

SHELBY: Well, we don't know how it will work. I think a lot of it will depend on whether or not people heed the boycott, in other words, stay away. A lot of people will say, "Oh goodness, it's a beautiful place. We ought to go anyway." But I think this is the strongest message we could send right now, a message that would hurt them economically, would get there attention. What we're looking for here is justice, honesty in the government, and I don't believe it's there.

COSBY: What kind of steps do you think you can do as a senator, as a powerful and respected senator there on the Hill, to make a difference here? I mean, are you planning on going to the State Department? Are you thinking about petitioning traveling agencies, calling the airlines? Is there something else that you can do to have some force behind the boycott?

SHELBY: I can speak out on the floor of the U.S. Senate.  That gets the attention of a lot of people.

Secondly, I can certainly speak out on behalf of the family doing what they've tried to do and how hard they've worked to get it done before is a fair and impartial investigation over the loss of their daughter.

COSBY: Could you call the State Department? Could you do some of those other things, is that within your means?

SHELBY: Oh, sure. I will work with my office, try to coordinate it with others and the family and Governor Riley. We're just several voices out here, and it will take a lot more than us to make a boycott effective.

COSBY: What are some of the other things that you think that you can do? I suggested some of the things, but are you planning on calling the State Department, airlines, travel agencies? Are you planning on doing those things?

SHELBY: I will do those things, but I'm also aware of the fact that a lot of people wouldn't worry, if they were in the travel business. They just want to sell a deal. And I think now, people ought to think. They have a lot more options in the Caribbean than just Aruba, and this would be a time to exercise them.

COSBY: You know, I talked to the deputy chief of police, Dompig, about this case, and he said some interesting things. I want to share a little comment. This is what he had to say about the three boys in the case, Senator.

"I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something," said Aruban Police Chief Gerold Dompig.

COSBY: You know, Senator, he even went as far as saying, "I think they're guilty as hell, but I just have to prove it." We have that coming from the deputy chief of police, he's the acting police chief right now. What surprises you most about this case, and do you think that this boycott is going to push it forward, make a difference in the investigation?

SHELBY: We hope the boycott will push it forward because we've tried it everything, and this would be another weapon in the arsenal, that is economic hurt.

But I believe there are just so many unanswered questions regarding these three young men from the beginning.  They were with her, they've obviously told different stories, a lot of those stories you wouldn't believe, a lot of them have not panned out. So there's a lot of information for proper investigators to go on, but it looks like the government down there has turned the other way.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9973144/


Senator Wants FBI to Do More in Aruba
Friday, July 01, 2005
FOX NEWS


ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Fearing the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search) has gone cold, a U.S. senator is calling for the Aruban government to allow the FBI to get more involved in the case.

Sen. Richard Shelby (search) wants the FBI to have full access to evidence in the case and he wrote a letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller to gain support for his idea. Shelby, a Republican, represents Alabama, Holloway’s home state, in the Senate.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161294,00.html

+++++++++++++


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 02:28:27 PM
My comments in red:

She provided no link.....
Here goes>>>>>
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:38 pm   

Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.

J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

How can what he said not be deemed serious? He watched her die and called to have her body disposed of, how the hell is that not serious? And why should the "lapse in time" matter, its new information, a confession, the timing of its release should be irrelevent? You're saying you're hesitant...hesitant, what the hell are you hesitating for? Please we all want to know what the friggin probelm is.  

Jv.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings. [/u]

This paragraph really pisses me off. He gave "extensive and detailed statements" because he had intimate knowledge of what occured. Such statements of detail could only have been made by someone who was there. So they are saying they can't believe him because he is a liar and because of his lies related to the case he is believed not to be involved. If you are to follow this thinking all someone would have to do to be found innocent is change their story multiple times and be deemed a liar. I'm sorry, but this is the most fucked up line of reasoning I have ever heard of. How can they write this crap to the world? Oh, and there is no such thing as "objectiveness" in this investigation. Again, you can't possible claim objectiveness because the people that should have recused themselves in the beginning didn't and are complicit in the cover-up. One more time, this paragraph sucks.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

Another claim that because Joran lies, he cannot be believed, but is to be believed he is not involved. And the phrase "according to the suspect himself are freqeuently false" also pisses me off. You just made the point in the previous paragraph that he cannot be believed and that is why you don't see sufficient evidence to re-arrest, yet, you now are backing up your assessment that he lies with his own words, "according to the suspect himself." This is plain stupid. And what is up with emphasizing that the prosecution brought up the personality disorder? Why would they do that and why would the court go out of its way to let us know that they did so? Again, this is f***ing sickening.

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

Well, let's throw a friggin party shall we!!

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not. 

May GOD have mercy on these people.




Bladerunner ... thank you.  My sentiments exactly!

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 02:28:36 PM
Nothing on FoxNews page either...:(


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 02:32:17 PM
Janet - I heard on Fox O'Reilly will have something on it tonight.  Also Nancy Grace will be having something on it. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 02:33:26 PM
well yesterday i was down because joran will not go to jail for now, but the investigations havent stopped, and de vries said hans moss is very dedicated to solve this case. i give him the benefit of the doubt.



Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.
JMO, of course.



The reality of the situation is that Joran was arrested so he could be told about Patrick and Peter's secret taping, in addition to raising the bar that much higher for a future detainment. DO NOT KID YOURSELF, ARUBA HAS PLANNED THIS OUT AND PATIENTLY WAITED FOR THE APPROPRIATE TIME(S) TO MOST EFFECTIVELY DERAIL THE PROCESS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 15, 2008, 02:35:22 PM
Moss needs a dope slap and a reality check.

Even if Mos' "family vacation" to NL had been planned for months,
I think it was one of the most stupid things I have ever seen that
he left Aruba almost immediately after the DeVries tapes were
broadcast.  He should have stayed in Aruba and faced the
music.  It just didn't look proper.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 02:35:51 PM
well yesterday i was down because joran will not go to jail for now, but the investigations havent stopped, and de vries said hans moss is very dedicated to solve this case. i give him the benefit of the doubt.



Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.

JMO, of course.




Lifesong....I said that same thing this morning in little rant in the 'Shango' thread. I believe the word I used was 'setup'!

There is no way that the PTB in Aruba didn't know about this. I hope deVries is hopping mad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Ono on February 15, 2008, 02:36:05 PM
Glenda Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 am @ RU

Not that it matters, but the Psychics said that Pitbull's spirit told them that he and Natalee had a relationship and he went Jewelry shopping with her.


Is this for real...did she really post that?



It surely sounds like what we've seen brought over to SM from there.  Par for the course, imo.

I was so angry when I read that. I erased what I wanted to post.

They must not have shrinks or she is a lost cause....the latter...

Possible.....and the term: "Devil's advocate"  comes to mind as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 02:38:08 PM
well yesterday i was down because joran will not go to jail for now, but the investigations havent stopped, and de vries said hans moss is very dedicated to solve this case. i give him the benefit of the doubt.



Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.
JMO, of course.



The reality of the situation is that Joran was arrested so he could be told about Patrick and Peter's secret taping, in addition to raising the bar that much higher for a future detainment. DO NOT KID YOURSELF, ARUBA HAS PLANNED THIS OUT AND PATIENTLY WAITED FOR THE APPROPRIATE TIME(S) TO MOST EFFECTIVELY DERAIL THE PROCESS.

This is pausible, but not likely IMO, the risk of slipping up with just one small detail would be far too great.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 02:41:22 PM
I am confused.  Something is not right!

Why is the American media silent in to regards to yesterday's ruling?  All major networks must have picked up on it by now.  Greta was alluding to it last night.  Nothing but a mention hidden deep in an article by ABC regarding the connection between the date rape drug and ... Natalee's condition as per Joran.  Why are Americans not outraged?

What is Senator Richard Shelby take on the latest developments?  Could he be encouraged to again make a stand for Natalee Holloway ... an 18 year old American citizen?

i am sure americans are outraged??

but it would be good if a american politician makes a damning comment about the dutch system.
make it an election issue.

remember all those international courts and tribunals in the hague.
the plan of the city is to attract even more courts to become some judicial capital of the world.

america didn't sign up with one of those courts or tribunals because bush didn't want to risk army officials or politicians to have to go to court there.

if america starts questioning why al those international courts should be in the hague of all places.
without even mentioning natalee holloway by name - to not directly interfere with a foreign justice system.

i think the dutch gov will get the message. and it will hurt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 02:42:00 PM

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

Well, let's throw a friggin party shall we!!

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not. 

May GOD have mercy on these people.




Bladerunner ... thank you.  My sentiments exactly!

Janet

[/quote]


Great comments Bladerunner. He lies so his confession cannot be believed, he confessed the first day about the seizures and the cops covered it up. Mos and comnpany probably don't ever have his first statements but rather than ask why and investigate the cover-up they just take the low road and continue covering it up themselves with legal jargon. Sorry, doesn't wash, the cover-up is too damn obvious.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 02:42:31 PM
I need to ask a question that has lingered in my mind for a while...does anyone remember the conversations concerning some type of music concert that Natalee and her friends went to one night while in Aruba?  I need to know if it was the night before the casino video.  I don't think it was that Soul Beach thingy...but it may have been associated with it in some way...maybe I am thinking of some of the other MB teens, but didn't Natalee go to hear someone like Lauryn Hill or something like that at one point during her stay?  Does anyone have any recollection of this? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 02:42:39 PM
What do we really know about Andre Santos.....nickname DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDre

In a few words...Lol...he is one of J's alibis for 5/30. Brother Arthur ...IMO looks like the sketch from 'Haunting Evidence'...lives close to the Marriott. Also known as Dos Santos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 15, 2008, 02:43:14 PM

Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.
JMO, of course.



The reality of the situation is that Joran was arrested so he could be told about Patrick and Peter's secret taping, in addition to raising the bar that much higher for a future detainment. DO NOT KID YOURSELF, ARUBA HAS PLANNED THIS OUT AND PATIENTLY WAITED FOR THE APPROPRIATE TIME(S) TO MOST EFFECTIVELY DERAIL THE PROCESS.

Thanks, Buckshot.  It was easier to think that the 'bad guys' a.k.a. van der straaten, jannsen, dompig, etc. are now off the case and Mos is real, but that's obviously not the case.  Whoever is behind the coverup is VERY ACTIVELY working this - still.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 02:46:24 PM

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

Well, let's throw a friggin party shall we!!

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not. 

May GOD have mercy on these people.




Bladerunner ... thank you.  My sentiments exactly!

Janet



Great comments Bladerunner. He lies so his confession cannot be believed, he confessed the first day about the seizures and the cops covered it up. Mos and comnpany probably don't ever have his first statements but rather than ask why and investigate the cover-up they just take the low road and continue covering it up themselves with legal jargon. Sorry, doesn't wash, the cover-up is too damn obvious.
[/quote]

Because the ALE did not do their jobs...there is now no evidence to link anyone with anything.  What we know is probably more than the entire dossier (yes, the one Refro loves to quote) in this case.  If Aruba isn't going to prosecute Joran...then released what evidence you do have and let the whole world know how totally stupid and incompetent you are!!  All of us here at SM already know.  :roll:

Sorry, my frustration level is rising...need a break.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 02:47:23 PM
I want to follow up on this part of the release I commented on:

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”


How did this go down in court? If you're trying to get the judges to see that Joran was telling the truth on the tape, why you say he has a "serious personality disorder". Something just does not make sense here. The press release states this using em dashes for emphasis. Why did they feel the need to emphasize that it was the prosecution that voiced this concern?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 15, 2008, 02:47:23 PM

Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.

JMO, of course.




Lifesong....I said that same thing this morning in little rant in the 'Shango' thread. I believe the word I used was 'setup'!

There is no way that the PTB in Aruba didn't know about this. I hope deVries is hopping mad.

Thanks, Mum!  Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking this.  I still smell a rat over that November arrest with no new evidence and the leaked reports of infiltration/secret recording RIGHT BEFORE it started. 

I agree with your word - SETUP!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: teacat on February 15, 2008, 02:48:01 PM


Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 15:13 UTC

Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reason to fear that, if he goes out, he won't make it to the other side of the street."

The lawyer was referring to the public response to a television show broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February, in which Joran van der Sloot revealed his part in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in hidden camera footage. The two-hour programme was watched by seven million viewers, more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

Mr De Rooij said some of the things Mr Van der Sloot said during the programme couldn't possibly be true.

for some reason I can't copy the rest....

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life


aawwwhh He's having issues...... can't leave the house...... isn't welcome back in Aruba..... hey!   
Here's a thought!!!!!

Maybe he should ".......go (back) to AlaBAMA!!!!"  {envision Forest Gump, speaking to Jenny!}  I'll bet he'd be real welcome there......
  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Peaches on February 15, 2008, 02:49:37 PM
I want to follow up on this part of the release I commented on:

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”


How did this go down in court? If you're trying to get the judges to see that Joran was telling the truth on the tape, why you say he has a "serious personality disorder". Something just does not make sense here. The press release states this using em dashes for emphasis. Why did they feel the need to emphasize that it was the prosecution that voiced this concern?

If the Court has a question concerfning the goon's mental fitness or lack thereof, why don't they detain him for psychiatric evaluation?  He's obviously a danger to others.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 02:50:58 PM
I am confused.  Something is not right!

Why is the American media silent in to regards to yesterday's ruling?  All major networks must have picked up on it by now.  Greta was alluding to it last night.  Nothing but a mention hidden deep in an article by ABC regarding the connection between the date rape drug and ... Natalee's condition as per Joran.  Why are Americans not outraged?

What is Senator Richard Shelby take on the latest developments?  Could he be encouraged to again make a stand for Natalee Holloway ... an 18 year old American citizen?

i am sure americans are outraged??

but it would be good if a american politician makes a damning comment about the dutch system.
make it an election issue.

remember all those international courts and tribunals in the hague.
the plan of the city is to attract even more courts to become some judicial capital of the world.

america didn't sign up with one of those courts or tribunals because bush didn't want to risk army officials or politicians to have to go to court there.

if america starts questioning why al those international courts should be in the hague of all places.
without even mentioning natalee holloway by name - to not directly interfere with a foreign justice system.

i think the dutch gov will get the message. and it will hurt.



Caesu, Imnoangel, and our other Dutch friends. You are much appreciated here. I hope you don't take offense when I rail at the Dutch government. They knew right off that Paulus was a judge in training for their judicial system in Aruba and had to have friends in the system, and they should have gotten involved from the very start. They should have recognized a conflict of interest right away and made sure judges were in place from Holland that had no connection to Paulus van der Sloot. They sat back on their asses and did nothing. All we saw for years was the Arubans saying it was a Dutch problem and the Dutch saying it was an Aruban problem.

Now Ballkende comes out with this comment like a light bulb just went off in his head! It's ridiculous to think it took him this long to surmise the Dutch are taking a beating in this case. The Dutch system looks horrendous in all of this regardless of whether it happened in Aruba or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 15, 2008, 02:52:51 PM

Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.

JMO, of course.




Lifesong....I said that same thing this morning in little rant in the 'Shango' thread. I believe the word I used was 'setup'!

There is no way that the PTB in Aruba didn't know about this. I hope deVries is hopping mad.

Thanks, Mum!  Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking this.  I still smell a rat over that November arrest with no new evidence and the leaked reports of infiltration/secret recording RIGHT BEFORE it started. 

I agree with your word - SETUP!


Perhaps the tipoff was made to certain high ranking officials in Aruba and they had Joran Picked up in November for purposes of "briefing him" about what was about to happen (secret video taping) so that he could "plant" a story back in Holland once he returned -- sorta like "chumming"" the fish so to speak.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 15, 2008, 02:55:18 PM

Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.

JMO, of course.




Lifesong....I said that same thing this morning in little rant in the 'Shango' thread. I believe the word I used was 'setup'!

There is no way that the PTB in Aruba didn't know about this. I hope deVries is hopping mad.

Thanks, Mum!  Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking this.  I still smell a rat over that November arrest with no new evidence and the leaked reports of infiltration/secret recording RIGHT BEFORE it started. 

I agree with your word - SETUP!


Perhaps the tipoff was made to certain high ranking officials in Aruba and they had Joran Picked up in November for purposes of "briefing him" about what was about to happen (secret video taping) so that he could "plant" a story back in Holland once he returned -- sorta like "chumming"" the fish so to speak.



Perhaps the entire "confession" was already "scripted" and all Joran had to do was learn his lines and look like an ass...with the guarantee of a pre-determined outcome,,, ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 02:57:18 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 02:57:18 PM
I am confused.  Something is not right!

Why is the American media silent in to regards to yesterday's ruling?  All major networks must have picked up on it by now.  Greta was alluding to it last night.  Nothing but a mention hidden deep in an article by ABC regarding the connection between the date rape drug and ... Natalee's condition as per Joran.  Why are Americans not outraged?

What is Senator Richard Shelby take on the latest developments?  Could he be encouraged to again make a stand for Natalee Holloway ... an 18 year old American citizen?

i am sure americans are outraged??

but it would be good if a american politician makes a damning comment about the dutch system.
make it an election issue.

remember all those international courts and tribunals in the hague.
the plan of the city is to attract even more courts to become some judicial capital of the world.

america didn't sign up with one of those courts or tribunals because bush didn't want to risk army officials or politicians to have to go to court there.

if america starts questioning why al those international courts should be in the hague of all places.
without even mentioning natalee holloway by name - to not directly interfere with a foreign justice system.

i think the dutch gov will get the message. and it will hurt.



Caesu, Imnoangel, and our other Dutch friends. You are much appreciated here. I hope you don't take offense when I rail at the Dutch government. They knew right off that Paulus was a judge in training for their judicial system in Aruba and had to have friends in the system, and they should have gotten involved from the very start. They should have recognized a conflict of interest right away and made sure judges were in place from Holland that had no connection to Paulus van der Sloot. They sat back on their asses and did nothing. All we saw for years was the Arubans saying it was a Dutch problem and the Dutch saying it was an Aruban problem.

Now Ballkende comes out with this comment like a light bulb just went off in his head! It's ridiculous to think it took him this long to surmise the Dutch are taking a beating in this case. The Dutch system looks horrendous in all of this regardless of whether it happened in Aruba or not.


I'm not worried about offending the Dutch on this board because they know what the deal is. It's way past the point of worrying about offending ANYONE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 02:59:23 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.

Agreed, a tipoff and script scenario are HIGHLY unlikely.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lifesong on February 15, 2008, 02:59:43 PM

Ya know - while most of these recent events in last few months don't sit right with me, joran's confession notwithstanding, two of them are especially troubling.

First, when Joran was arrested in November, there were reports of infiltration and secret recording of him by someone close to him in Holland.  This was not part of the 'new' evidence Mos presented and these reports were never explained.

Second, both Peter and Patrick stated in interviews that either the day before or the actual day that they were supposed to start recording Joran in the outfitted SUV he was suddenly arrested and taken to Aruba.

These two items of information taken together lead me to believe that Joran was arrested and returned to Aruba to PREVENT him from confessing on the hidden tapes.   Even JQK said Mos didn't have anything new at the time.

It was fortunate that Joran is such an *sshole that he'd come right out of jail, get into the vehicle and start talking.

JMO, of course.




Lifesong....I said that same thing this morning in little rant in the 'Shango' thread. I believe the word I used was 'setup'!

There is no way that the PTB in Aruba didn't know about this. I hope deVries is hopping mad.

Thanks, Mum!  Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking this.  I still smell a rat over that November arrest with no new evidence and the leaked reports of infiltration/secret recording RIGHT BEFORE it started. 

I agree with your word - SETUP!


Perhaps the tipoff was made to certain high ranking officials in Aruba and they had Joran Picked up in November for purposes of "briefing him" about what was about to happen (secret video taping) so that he could "plant" a story back in Holland once he returned -- sorta like "chumming"" the fish so to speak.



Perhaps the entire "confession" was already "scripted" and all Joran had to do was learn his lines and look like an ass...with the guarantee of a pre-determined outcome,,, ::MonkeyEek::

You may be right.  I kind of think it could go either way...either they arrested him and yanked him back to the island to keep him out of the car, or they did it to warn him and tell him what to say.  I think the first is more plausible (who would actually trust this guy to get anything right?), but the second is certainly possible.

Either way, it certainly looks bad in hindsight.  Not a real arrest with real new evidence.  No secret recordings even made at the time, yet being reported nonetheless.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Maggie on February 15, 2008, 03:00:02 PM
I hope de Vries will continue his fine work and drive this evil off the plank, but IMO if he does have a plan, it will have to look like he's not interested in pursuing the case...or maybe he won't be interested in a follow-up and in that case will also look like he's not interested. Monkeys, keep the faith!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 03:00:50 PM


Suspect in Natalee Holloway case fears for life
Published: Friday 15 February 2008 08:06 UTC
Last updated: Friday 15 February 2008 15:13 UTC

Hilversum - Bert de Rooij, the lawyer of the main suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, has told Radio Netherlands Worldwide that his client Joran van der Sloot is in hiding in the Netherlands and fears for his life. "He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court. He has very good reason to fear that, if he goes out, he won't make it to the other side of the street."

The lawyer was referring to the public response to a television show broadcast on Dutch television on 3 February, in which Joran van der Sloot revealed his part in Natalee Holloway's disappearance in hidden camera footage. The two-hour programme was watched by seven million viewers, more than any Dutch TV programme this century. The undercover operation was the brainchild of crime reporter Peter R. de Vries.

Mr De Rooij said some of the things Mr Van der Sloot said during the programme couldn't possibly be true.

for some reason I can't copy the rest....

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/5643380/Suspect-in-Natalee-Holloway-case-fears-for-life


aawwwhh He's having issues...... can't leave the house...... isn't welcome back in Aruba..... hey!   
Here's a thought!!!!!

Maybe he should ".......go (back) to AlaBAMA!!!!"  {envision Forest Gump, speaking to Jenny!}  I'll bet he'd be real welcome there......
  ::MonkeyTongue::


He's not hiding from the police, but from a nationwide kangaroo court.

And who's fault is that, Bert? Tell your client he needs to be accountable for his actions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on February 15, 2008, 03:01:07 PM


How did this go down in court?

Something like this:

Joran Van Der Sloot

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/joran1.jpg)

“You see Judge, what happened is this… Natalee really wanted me.  You know how it is when you are a Sporter.  All the girls want you.  Well, she was really, really drunk.  But she knew what she was doing.  Deepak, Satish and I dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, but not really.  Deepak and Satish left me and Natalee on the beach and, well, she just died so I had my friend come and dump her in the ocean.  I then walked home, but not really.  Deepak came and picked me up, but not really, it was Satish.  Actually, as I remember telling this before I know none of it is true because…well, I’m a little stoned right now so anything I say can’t be held against me right now.  Right?  No body, no case, right?  But my Dad didn’t tell me to say that, okay?”


The Honorable Judge Red Van Der Monkey:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/monkeyjudge.jpg)

Bullshit!  Guilty!  Take him away!   (what kind of fool does that boy think I am?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 03:04:28 PM
Bladerunner,

Thank you for saying that, I've been trying to articulate that but you hit it.

It's way past the point of worrying about offending anyone. De vries, Mansur, Greta etc.

Jug needs more air time. He makes shango look like the coward they are.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 03:04:39 PM
I want to follow up on this part of the release I commented on:

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”


How did this go down in court? If you're trying to get the judges to see that Joran was telling the truth on the tape, why you say he has a "serious personality disorder". Something just does not make sense here. The press release states this using em dashes for emphasis. Why did they feel the need to emphasize that it was the prosecution that voiced this concern?


It is obvious they are making excuses for Joran. They don't have the balls to do anything so they are taking the easy way out. Same thing that happened last time under Mos, same thing with Jannsen before that. Zero backbone = no justice for the victim.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 03:04:42 PM
Quote
Caesu, Imnoangel, and our other Dutch friends. You are much appreciated here. I hope you don't take offense when I rail at the Dutch government. They knew right off that Paulus was a judge in training for their judicial system in Aruba and had to have friends in the system, and they should have gotten involved from the very start. They should have recognized a conflict of interest right away and made sure judges were in place from Holland that had no connection to Paulus van der Sloot. They sat back on their asses and did nothing. All we saw for years was the Arubans saying it was a Dutch problem and the Dutch saying it was an Aruban problem.

Now Ballkende comes out with this comment like a light bulb just went off in his head! It's ridiculous to think it took him this long to surmise the Dutch are taking a beating in this case. The Dutch system looks horrendous in all of this regardless of whether it happened in Aruba or not.


i don t mind you saying that at all. truth is always appreciated


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 03:04:46 PM
Truthseeker -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 03:05:41 PM


How did this go down in court?

Something like this:

Joran Van Der Sloot

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/joran1.jpg)

“You see Judge, what happened is this… Natalee really wanted me.  You know how it is when you are a Sporter.  All the girls want you.  Well, she was really, really drunk.  But she knew what she was doing.  Deepak, Satish and I dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, but not really.  Deepak and Satish left me and Natalee on the beach and, well, she just died so I had my friend come and dump her in the ocean.  I then walked home, but not really.  Deepak came and picked me up, but not really, it was Satish.  Actually, as I remember telling this before I know none of it is true because…well, I’m a little stoned right now so anything I say can’t be held against me right now.  Right?  No body, no case, right?  But my Dad didn’t tell me to say that, okay?”


The Honorable Judge Red Van Der Monkey:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/songluva/monkeyjudge.jpg)

Bullshit!  Guilty!  Take him away!   (what kind of fool does that boy think I am?)



 ::MonkeyDance::

Finally, something to make me crack a smile! I'm really fumed right now, but that is pretty funny.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
I want to follow up on this part of the release I commented on:

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”


How did this go down in court? If you're trying to get the judges to see that Joran was telling the truth on the tape, why you say he has a "serious personality disorder". Something just does not make sense here. The press release states this using em dashes for emphasis. Why did they feel the need to emphasize that it was the prosecution that voiced this concern?

Blade ... I believe with all my heart that ... Dennis Jacobs, Jan Vander Straaten, Karin Janssen, Hans Mos, Dutch/Aruban government influence as well as selective judges who have ruled in the Natalee Holloway case are all part of the conspiracy that is protecting Joran and Paulus.  The hand of time cannot be turned back.  If Joran and Paulus go down ... the "powers that be" within the coverup go down.

If a secret video revealed of Natalee's last moments of life in the presence of Joran as well as her disposal at the hand of Paulus ... that video would be ruled inadmissable.

JUSTICE OUT OF ARUBA IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
OPRAH WINFREY SHOW
January 16, 2008


Despite what authorities have said, Beth says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

http://www2.oprah.com/world/politics/slide/20080116/politics_284_203.jhtml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 03:06:41 PM

Thanks, Buckshot.  It was easier to think that the 'bad guys' a.k.a. van der straaten, jannsen, dompig, etc. are now off the case and Mos is real, but that's obviously not the case.  Whoever is behind the coverup is VERY ACTIVELY working this - still.



I agree, the cover-up continues. Different players, same results.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 03:08:09 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.


I agree...just listen again to the fear in Joran's voice when the raido people called him at GrannySloots.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0QWaD27y4


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: BUCKSHOT on February 15, 2008, 03:09:19 PM
Picture this:

Judge Smit (sitting on the bench): "All rise, court is in session for the case of ARUBA vs Joran VanderSloot and Daury VanderSloot"

Paulus (sitting in court): "Your honor, no one is supposed to know my nickname"

Joran (with a joint in his mouth): "I was lying when I lied about lying, and that is no lie"

Anita (with see through blouse and white bra showing): "Be nice, my delicious sporter"

Hans Mos (at the court house doors): "I am here to prosecute my case. Please let me in so I can do my job!!"

Bob Wit (at court house doors): "Sorry, Hans. You are not allowed in here. All cases have been cancelled, regarding this case. I have modified the docket"

Judge Smit (after ten minutes in court) : "Case dismissed. Not guilty. The prosecutor is not present, therefore, you are all free to go. I will make sure you are released as suspects. I will call for an address to send your compensation checks. By the way, good luck to you and the Kalpoe brothers. Make sure to spread around the 800 million dollars from Dr. Phil."

Dennis Jacobs (while eating Corn Flakes): "I have some extra cell phones back at my office if you want to come by and claim some of them"

Oduber / Croes (clapping): "Tourism is rising as we speak. Lets go down to Carlos n Charlies and a have a beer to celebrate"

VanderSraaten: "See DAURY..., I mean Paulus, I told you I wouldn't let anything happen to my godchild. Now I finally get to retire"

Tito Lacle: "One happy island. Call me "Tickle me, Tito" from now on"

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on February 15, 2008, 03:13:07 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.


Arrest Karin Jannsen, Jan van der Straten, Dennis Jacobs, Judge Wit, Rick Smid and Ben Vocking. You said it earlier Frank, unravel the cover-up and they'll give Joran and Paulus' ass up real quick to save their own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
Column Peter R. DeVries: NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

Continue reading...

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/column-peter-r_15.html



This is yet another logical fallacy.  Who declared Natalee a "corpse" so that the crime is "ONLY" disposal of a corpse?  Why is she not considered a live human being whom he and his father/friend/self dumped in water too far out to survive?

This is as lame as the "can't believe him because he lies too much" excuse.

What kind of a system allow alcoholic, pothead punks decide who is dead and who isn't?

Joran looks very ill to me.  I suspect he may be dead.  Based on what we are being told, if I dump him in the sea past two ot more miles, I will at the most be charged with disposal of a corpse that carries six months jail time.

If they take his word on this, they would also have to take mine as well, right?

If there is someone you don't like, you can just dump them out in the ocean and say they died and you are home free with max six months?

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 03:14:52 PM
I want to follow up on this part of the release I commented on:

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”


How did this go down in court? If you're trying to get the judges to see that Joran was telling the truth on the tape, why you say he has a "serious personality disorder". Something just does not make sense here. The press release states this using em dashes for emphasis. Why did they feel the need to emphasize that it was the prosecution that voiced this concern?


It is obvious they are making excuses for Joran. They don't have the balls to do anything so they are taking the easy way out. Same thing that happened last time under Mos, same thing with Jannsen before that. Zero backbone = no justice for the victim.

How can you take the Dutch officials at that word in anything related to this case? You simply can't. Judges in all countries are afforded a dignified standing in society, but the Dutch judges in this case are abusing their power by impeding justice. Slowly, the pillars that hold up the Dutch legal system are coming under strain and the longer this bullshit goes on the more irreparable damage will be done to that country and its people. And this beacuse they they wanted to keep some lousy US tourists and their money flowing to a cesspool of an island called Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 03:15:50 PM
I disagree, if Joran and paulus go down, nobody else has to go down. They are not going to be able to blackmail anyone, but stick to their own defense. What are they going to do tell the judge about Rudy Croe's dirt as a defense?

But if van der straaten, Jacobs and Janssen start to get scared the van der sloots will go down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:17:44 PM
Bobby Cutts said he had an accident, too, accidentally hit his girlfriend with his elbow, loved her, didn't mean for it to happen.

Wept and cried, gnashed teeth, etc.

Guilty.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on February 15, 2008, 03:17:47 PM
This whole excuse that "Joran lies so we can't believe what he said in the confession to Patrick" is total nonsense.

Joran's repeated confession was made under NO duress to a person he thought was a friend.

Joran wasn't being interrogated; he was unloading to someone he trusted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 15, 2008, 03:19:46 PM
Column Peter R. DeVries: NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

Continue reading...

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/column-peter-r_15.html



This is yet another logical fallacy.  Who declared Natalee a "corpse" so that the crime is "ONLY" disposal of a corpse?  Why is she not considered a live human being whom he and his father/friend/self dumped in water too far out to survive?

This is as lame as the "can't believe him because he lies too much" excuse.

What kind of a system allow alcoholic, pothead punks decide who is dead and who isn't?

Joran looks very ill to me.  I suspect he may be dead.  Based on what we are being told, if I dump him in the sea past two ot more miles, I will at the most be charged with disposal of a corpse that carries six months jail time.

If they take his word on this, they would also have to take mine as well, right?

If there is someone you don't like, you can just dump them out in the ocean and say they died and you are home free with max six months?

.

So very very true...how can they now prosecute ANY future murder case there?  All the perps need to say is "the victim was already dead and I panicked so I disposed of the body" ...

Someone needs to get real there and clean house before Aruba really does live up to it's new image that seems to portray prison colony mentality rather than luxury island vacation resort.   Sheesh    ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/justicefornatalee4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 03:20:09 PM
Bobby Cutts said he had an accident, too, accidentally hit his girlfriend with his elbow, loved her, didn't mean for it to happen.

Wept and cried, gnashed teeth, etc.

Guilty.

.


Anna,,,, Just got home has the verdict come down? Have to leave again in 5 min. no time to search.........

Poor Bobby wished he could call Jessie so she could make it all better....then why the f did ya kill her???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kimmy53 on February 15, 2008, 03:22:23 PM
Using the same standard required to arrest Joran or anyone, we still don't know how Aruba knows, and the key word is KNOWS, Natalee is dead?
Not speculation, proof. I wish Beth would demand this. How can you say she's dead without proof?

There is no evidence she was ever at the Beach. No witnesses, not forensics, only the word of Joran van der sloot. The same word that got the security guards arrested.
But the KLPD, when they took over the case, searched the sand dunes and the van der sloot property. Now that gives me hope they know what happened.

But I am convinced the crime scene is the VDS property.

Exactly!!!  The word of Joran is all they "supposedly" have, it is enough to arrest the security guards - rushing in like cowboys, BUT His own words are not enough evidence to arrest him again?  Oh - he must have been lying that time.

Are they picking and chosing what to believe from Joran?  Yeah, if it fits their agenda.

They know alright.  Alot of people know.  Proving it with evidence is the problem.  That evidence IMO was destroyed a long time ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:23:32 PM
Bobby Cutts said he had an accident, too, accidentally hit his girlfriend with his elbow, loved her, didn't mean for it to happen.

Wept and cried, gnashed teeth, etc.

Guilty.

.


Anna,,,, Just got home has the verdict come down? Have to leave again in 5 min. no time to search.........

Poor Bobby wished he could call Jessie so she could make it all better....then why the f did ya kill her???



CANTON, Ohio  —  A jury has convicted former Ohio police officer Bobby Cutts Jr. of murdering his pregnant girlfriend and their unborn baby.

He could face the death penalty.

Cutts was convicted of aggravated murder in the death of the nearly full-term female fetus.

The jury found him not guilty of aggravated murder in Davis' death, a count that includes intent to kill with prior calculation and design. But they convicted him of a lesser charge of murder in her death.

Aggravated murder carries a possible death sentence.

Cutts, who resigned as a Canton patrolman after his arrest, had pleaded not guilty to all charges.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330787,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 03:26:07 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.

I agree with ya!I just wonder about the shunning he is about to face.I was thinking earlier that no one will want him around them. Where could he possibly go in this world where he would feel safe? His so called father has done something horrible to yoran by his participation.Yoran is now condemned to a life of misery and contempt by having to keep the secrets for his fathers part in all this mess..His harvest is just coming in now.Also,what about the other Sloot boys? What if one of them simply vanishes just like Natalee did?It seems to me if the Arubans are as upset about all this as we are,(like we've heard),how are the Sloots able to walk around and function on the island without being accosted?Just imagine running into Anita at the grocery store... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 03:26:19 PM
Yes cubbeee Ex-cop guilty in murders of girlfriend, unborn baby
O / T


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
Those liars who keep saying Natalee was pregnant might want to think a bit more about that in light of Joran's confession.  That would be double homicide.  That would make him a mass murderer.

Putting a person in the ocean too far out so they could not swim back or even be recovered is not "disposal of a corpse" but murder until it is proven legally that the person was in fact deceased.

Joran looks like of sick to me. . . . just saying.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 03:29:29 PM
I want to people to read this paragragh from the release very carefully:

"At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

Ok, so Joran has a history of making "untrue statements and remarks", and according to him these remarks are "frequently false". So if you're making untrue statements that frequently false, aren't those then truths?

I mean these people can't even get the wording of their BS right. Again, these statements are sickening and outrageous!

"He lies so we can't believe him, but we believe him when he tells us he lies." The new motto of the Dutch legal system.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 03:31:14 PM
http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/Joran-van-der-Sloot-remains-free.html

Joran van der Sloot remains free 15/02/2008 00:00Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of American high school student Natalee Holloway.

15 February 2008

AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot will not be arrested again for involvement in the disappearance of American high school student Natalee Holloway. His Dutch lawyer Bert de Rooij was informed of this by court officials on Curacao on Thursday evening, the lawyer told Radio 1.

De Rooij was notified after midnight, Dutch time. The court does not feel that Van der Sloot's confession to Patrick van der Eem, caught on film by crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, is enough to have him arrested again.

Van der Sloot has reportedly lied on a number of occasions and his statements on the footage are not substantiated by objective facts, the court said, according to De Rooij.

Even before De Vries' much talked about broadcast, Joran van der Sloot said that the presumed confessions on the footage were not true. During his questioning by Aruban police last week on Friday Joran also maintained that he had nothing to do with the disappearance.

"He pointed out parts of his statements on the footage that were untrue," the lawyer explained. "He continues to maintain that what he said in that footage can be demonstrated to be false."

Van der Sloot's lawyer says his client remains available to the justice department, which is continuing the investigation. De Rooij is says his client has been "very hard hit, especially by the comments being made by the Dutch public. He is being threatened."
The public prosecution department appealed the examining judge's decision last week to reject a request for Van der Sloot's arrest. The prosecution department wants him arrested again in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

Peter R. de Vries recently showed hidden camera footage in which Joran claims to know what happened to Holloway. She reportedly became unwell while making out with him and Van der Sloot called a friend to help him get rid of the body at sea.

Peter R. de Vries said he was disappointed at the court's decision. "This is terrible of course," the crime reporter said, particularly for Holloway's family.
~~~~~~~~~~~

WELL ISN't THAT JUST TOO DAMN BAD!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT about Natalee's family being hard hit for ALL THIS TIME!!!???????  These freaks make me sick....all a bunch of freaks, I tell ya.
 :gaah: :smt011 :smt013 :smt013 :smt097 :smt097 :smt076


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
So what we are being told is that if there is a person you want to "eliminate" just take them to Aruba, buy them a "drink" at Carlos and Charlies (or Senior Frog when reopens) wait until the drugs take effect then dump them out at sea.

Lie, lie and lie again and you might not even get the six months for disposal of a corpse which you and you alone are allowed to say the person had become for reasons unknown.

Is that about right?

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: NM on February 15, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
Sorry, kinda OT

Does anyone know if they found that Tromp kid that was missing (in aruba) a month ago or so?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 15, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/justicefornatalee4.jpg)

Joran and his mouth will be back again... He just can't keep it shut... As he gets more victories like this he becomes bolder (like the wine-throwing incident)...and based upon the rumors that he has a sudden and sometimes violent temper (lie slamming his fists on top of the police car -- and also the wine incident) when he gets frustrated at something or someone ---well... he will be back again (remember that photoshopped pic he had done with his arm around Nat? -- in light of the secret tapes that makes it even more bizarre, right?) ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 03:35:39 PM
Sorry, kinda OT

Does anyone know if they found that Tromp kid that was missing (in aruba) a month ago or so?

I don't think so, his missing poster is still on the 24ora website (scroll down on the right hand side)

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Silverfox on February 15, 2008, 03:35:47 PM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/justicefornatalee4.jpg)

Joran and his mouth will be back again... He just can't keep it shut... As he gets more victories like this he becomes bolder (like the wine-throwing incident)...and based upon the rumors that he has a sudden and sometimes violent temper (lie slamming his fists on top of the police car -- and also the wine incident) when he gets frustrated at something or someone ---well... he will be back again (remember that photoshopped pic he had done with his arm around Nat? -- in light of the secret tapes that makes it even more bizarre, right?) ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh and I forgot about the rumor that he killed his dog with a paint gun... sicko...sicko  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 03:40:22 PM
I am confused.  Something is not right!

Why is the American media silent in to regards to yesterday's ruling?  All major networks must have picked up on it by now.  Greta was alluding to it last night.  Nothing but a mention hidden deep in an article by ABC regarding the connection between the date rape drug and ... Natalee's condition as per Joran.  Why are Americans not outraged?

What is Senator Richard Shelby take on the latest developments?  Could he be encouraged to again make a stand for Natalee Holloway ... an 18 year old American citizen?

i am sure americans are outraged??

but it would be good if a american politician makes a damning comment about the dutch system.
make it an election issue.

remember all those international courts and tribunals in the hague.
the plan of the city is to attract even more courts to become some judicial capital of the world.

america didn't sign up with one of those courts or tribunals because bush didn't want to risk army officials or politicians to have to go to court there.

if america starts questioning why al those international courts should be in the hague of all places.
without even mentioning natalee holloway by name - to not directly interfere with a foreign justice system.

i think the dutch gov will get the message. and it will hurt.



Caesu, Imnoangel, and our other Dutch friends. You are much appreciated here. I hope you don't take offense when I rail at the Dutch government. They knew right off that Paulus was a judge in training for their judicial system in Aruba and had to have friends in the system, and they should have gotten involved from the very start. They should have recognized a conflict of interest right away and made sure judges were in place from Holland that had no connection to Paulus van der Sloot. They sat back on their asses and did nothing. All we saw for years was the Arubans saying it was a Dutch problem and the Dutch saying it was an Aruban problem.

Now Ballkende comes out with this comment like a light bulb just went off in his head! It's ridiculous to think it took him this long to surmise the Dutch are taking a beating in this case. The Dutch system looks horrendous in all of this regardless of whether it happened in Aruba or not.


I'm not worried about offending the Dutch on this board because they know what the deal is. It's way past the point of worrying about offending ANYONE.

don't worry about offending.

i mean i expect the parliament to bring this up in the next few weeks.
next week the parliament has a week off, how conveniently.
after that there are a few other things on the agenda.

but then i am sure this will come up.
if the parliament, won't act - which i highly doubt...
then the dutch will use other means.

i mean, at this point it even has gotten so far that it has become in our direct self interest.
jvds is on the loose and not welcome in aruba.
we've all seen the tape.

http://www.tweedekamer.nl/vergaderingen/plenaire_vergaderingen/volgende_weken/index.jsp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:40:51 PM
I didn't think anyone would want to be friends with Scott Peterson, either, but seems he has a regular fan club of the sickos who seem to adore death row inmates.

I think it won't be long before Joran has his own little sick groupies just as Peterson does.

That is why anything less that a formal court sentencing is not acceptable to me.

JMO

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:43:28 PM
Isn't most of the EU on a one week vacation right now?  Lots of people go skiing.

Guess this is why Friday was chosen to drop the stink bomb, everybody out for a whole week so no one available for comment.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 03:44:31 PM
the crucial point is that her body is not found.

maybe we should send a lot of germans over to aruba, as they are known for digging huge holes while on the beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: msmarple on February 15, 2008, 03:46:53 PM
Bobby Cutts said he had an accident, too, accidentally hit his girlfriend with his elbow, loved her, didn't mean for it to happen.

Wept and cried, gnashed teeth, etc.

Guilty.

.

More on the Cutts story --

Myisha Ferrell, Cutts' longtime friend, testified for the prosecution that Cutts appeared at her home at 6 a.m. after Davis died.

< snip >

Ferrell admitted she helped dump Davis' body in a field and said Cutts later coached her on what to say to police.

Ferrell was sentenced to two years in prison after pleading guilty to lying to authorities and complicity to gross abuse of a corpse.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 03:49:34 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.


I agree...just listen again to the fear in Joran's voice when the raido people called him at GrannySloots.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0QWaD27y4

Thank you Nut.

However ... the words of that interview tell me that Joran was not worried at all.

Janet

___________

Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


Question: How did this all happen, with this so called confession.

Joran: Yes, I did say something to someone I should not have said, it's a story to someone I have know for a while.

Question: How long have you known him?

Joran: about 6 months.

Question:  What did you tell him:

Joran:  Yes, well everyone will see it this Sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing, and it's kinda sad that they brought the mother over here and that they told her, but we'll see it all.  

Question: Is it now not right to say right now what you said, and why it is that what you said is not true.

Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don't say anything.  

Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran, Yes, that's what I said.

Question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.

Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,  

Question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.  

Question: Do you think you will be arrested again?  

JJoran:  No, I don't think so. Maybe it could be, they have arrested me before for less than this, but I have been tricked.

Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

Question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.  

Question: but we've heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.

Question: what kind of boy is he?

Joran: You see, I don't know what they are going to show this sunday, but this is a boy, he's an older man, I met him, and we've met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him, and I, ha ha ha, just told him what he wanted to hear,

Question: but how did you not know then that he was not honest, that you told him just what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Yes well, he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself, some of these things he did do,

Question: example?

Joran: I don't want to give an example, I don't want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me. (loose translation)

Question: yes with a hidden microphone and a hidden camera, you never noticed that, it would seem.

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

Question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that's just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

Question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

Question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all. I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now. I don't know what the OM is thinking. I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

Question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?

Joran: I don't know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it's only about security.

Question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

Joran: No

Question: Because, Mr Mos has said, this is the missing part, your confession.

Joran: Yes, it's very (vervelend) nasty but what I said was not true, and they can found out if it's true or not.

Question: So you did not go with Natalee in a boat into the water and put her in the water?

Joran: No of course not.

Question: That did not happen for sure?

Joran: No,

Question: And how can we find out that that is not true, as you say?

Joran: Yes, I don't know, it has to do with that person, that after two and a half years with that person, that's not possible.  (Joran talks in half sentences here) No, I, it's just been very stupid.

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.  

Question: Joran, but now for all the people that are now thinking, Joran vd Sloot has lied from the beginning , and we talked around this table with Peter de Vries, and now it seems like again he lied again to someone else, why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

Question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening, I

Question: will you consider to come to our program the next day to give your reaction?

Joran: I don't know, I think for myself I don't want to react, I'm pretty sober about it, but we'll see.

We'll call on monday again.
Thank you very much.

Translation - Marco@RU


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kiwi on February 15, 2008, 03:49:50 PM
So what we are being told is that if there is a person you want to "eliminate" just take them to Aruba, buy them a "drink" at Carlos and Charlies (or Senior Frog when reopens) wait until the drugs take effect then dump them out at sea.

Lie, lie and lie again and you might not even get the six months for disposal of a corpse which you and you alone are allowed to say the person had become for reasons unknown.

Is that about right?

.
Anna its called the Joran Syndrome. A whole new defense to murder. This new ruling eliminates the need for senseless murder trials. Basically the suspect determines death. Example I shot her in the head, she hit her head or something bad happened and she began to shake. She stopped moving, so we dumped her as far out to sea as possible without hurting ourselves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 03:52:43 PM
the crucial point is that her body is not found.

maybe we should send a lot of germans over to aruba, as they are known for digging huge holes while on the beach.


But lots of bodies are not found.

That should not be an impediment to justice.  All one would have to do is make sure to follow Paulus adivce and no body, no case.

One man in this country threw his wife's body out of airplane over the ocean but he was convicted anyway.  No body, lots and lots of people have been convicted of murder without a body.

Two people leave.  Only one is ever seen again.  One admits "disposing" of the other and it's OK?

If I ever decide to commit murder, I know where I'm going to do it!  LOL!


Later, taters!

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 03:57:22 PM
Hey better late then never.

I don't think the Joran confession was a plan, I mean why bother? The case was dead as a doornail and did not help the coverup.

Now the coverup is more highlighted.

I know the people behind the coverup think they're smart, but even they know Joran is a time bomb, that's why they don't want him in Aruba, ever.


I agree...just listen again to the fear in Joran's voice when the raido people called him at GrannySloots.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0QWaD27y4

Thank you Nut.

However ... the words of that interview tell me that Joran was not worried at all.

Janet

___________

Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008


Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.  

Question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening, I

Translation - Marco@RU

what i was thinking a while ago...

hasn't he blown the chance of cashing in on this?
it's like he is endorsing it to be watched??

or he is lying.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 03:58:28 PM
the crucial point is that her body is not found.

maybe we should send a lot of germans over to aruba, as they are known for digging huge holes while on the beach.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 03:59:02 PM
I mean when he sounds like he is about to cry......'dumb, dumb, dumb...he says, in a weepy voice. He was in fear his goose was cooked....even if for a brief moment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:02:23 PM
i understand the reactions of americans.
their outrage and disbelief. we feel the same way.
and we agree that a lot of things went wrong and that the ones who did wrong, wether its the vandersloots or the justice department, in aruba or holland, should be trialed in court for their doings.
but, saying that, i also must say we felt the same when the american justice let o j simpson walk.
i mean, its all awfull and herendous and it is a good thing if the people take action and protest to things going wrong.
but lets not be hypocrits.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:03:47 PM
lol caesu jij snapt em  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 04:05:30 PM
Yes as Joe Tacopina has said (I take his words with the same halftruths as Joran) he "let his parents down."

He let Paulus down. Indeed he did. Paulus couldn't control the story. Wonder if he went on the internet to search the effects of marijuana.

These parents are abominable, they are committing an abortion on Joran.

Sadists.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 15, 2008, 04:07:36 PM
I disagree, if Joran and paulus go down, nobody else has to go down. They are not going to be able to blackmail anyone, but stick to their own defense. What are they going to do tell the judge about Rudy Croe's dirt as a defense?

But if van der straaten, Jacobs and Janssen start to get scared the van der sloots will go down.

Well then why does Rudy who is the minister of justice and obviously has no use for Joran allow this to happen?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 04:10:21 PM
i understand the reactions of americans.
their outrage and disbelief. we feel the same way.
and we agree that a lot of things went wrong and that the ones who did wrong, wether its the vandersloots or the justice department, in aruba or holland, should be trialed in court for their doings.
but, saying that, i also must say we felt the same when the american justice let o j simpson walk.
i mean, its all awfull and herendous and it is a good thing if the people take action and protest to things going wrong.
but lets not be hypocrits.


Those are good points. What gets me is that the Dutch laws do not seem to support the pursuit of justice. For example:

14. Hours of investigation limited. No investigation b/w 22:00 and 08:00

This is from this page: http://www.aruba.com/about/judicialsystem.php

What exactly does this mean, that you can't pursue your investigative duties of a crime after 10pm. at night?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Kiwi on February 15, 2008, 04:11:02 PM
i understand the reactions of americans.
their outrage and disbelief. we feel the same way.
and we agree that a lot of things went wrong and that the ones who did wrong, wether its the vandersloots or the justice department, in aruba or holland, should be trialed in court for their doings.
but, saying that, i also must say we felt the same when the american justice let o j simpson walk.
i mean, its all awfull and herendous and it is a good thing if the people take action and protest to things going wrong.
but lets not be hypocrits.

What I personally would like to see is a trial. I do agree with your take on the OJ results. The only thing not found was a signed football next to the bodies. In this case they need to go for murder and let the chips fall in open court. No 4 answers for one question.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:13:26 PM
well, bladerunner, then it is dark. the sun went down by that time. they want to see everything clear so they dont miss out on any evidence


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:14:49 PM
this race has not been run yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 04:15:01 PM
Column Peter R. DeVries: NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

Continue reading...

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/column-peter-r_15.html



This is yet another logical fallacy.  Who declared Natalee a "corpse" so that the crime is "ONLY" disposal of a corpse?  Why is she not considered a live human being whom he and his father/friend/self dumped in water too far out to survive?

This is as lame as the "can't believe him because he lies too much" excuse.

What kind of a system allow alcoholic, pothead punks decide who is dead and who isn't?

Joran looks very ill to me.  I suspect he may be dead.  Based on what we are being told, if I dump him in the sea past two ot more miles, I will at the most be charged with disposal of a corpse that carries six months jail time.

If they take his word on this, they would also have to take mine as well, right?

If there is someone you don't like, you can just dump them out in the ocean and say they died and you are home free with max six months?


Exactly Anna.

The world is expected to believe that 17 year old Joran had the professional expertise to determine that Natalee Holloway was deceased and ... not just passed out and ... the world is expected to believe that Hans Mos has the professional expertise to determine that Joran van der Sloot has a personality disorder.

Murders of the world hear this!  Dutch law has determined if you take your victim out to sea and ... his/her body never emerges ... the longest sentence that can be imposed by a court of law is six month for disposing of a "corpse".

My son's Dutch FIL is not a legal expert but ... he is of the opinion that Dutch law is once again being manipulated in the Natalee Holloway case.  Common sense implies some credible indication must exist that person is deceased prior to disposal ... not the word of a 17 year old boy with no medical background ... a 17 year old boy who has lied continually regarding regarding when he was last with the 18 year old American citizen.

I do believe that the prosecutor, defense attorneys and judges involved in the Natalee Holloway case are adhering to the letter of the law ... the letter of the law taken out of context in their quest to protect Paulus and Joran ... not the intent of the law ... JUSTICE FOR THE VICTIM.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:15:29 PM
its on tv, i going to watch now


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:17:08 PM
So what we are being told is that if there is a person you want to "eliminate" just take them to Aruba, buy them a "drink" at Carlos and Charlies (or Senior Frog when reopens) wait until the drugs take effect then dump them out at sea.

Lie, lie and lie again and you might not even get the six months for disposal of a corpse which you and you alone are allowed to say the person had become for reasons unknown.

Is that about right?

.

Ok, who's game to go back to Aruba and lure dipshit back there?  Sounds and looks so easy to me!  Of course, my luck, I'd be the one who would end up disappeared next  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 04:19:29 PM
Some questions I have:

Trial

30. Suspects have right to trial within a reasonable period of time

31. Public hearing

32. No trial by jury, but by a professional judge

33. No plea-bargaining

34. No death penalty

35. No permission required by the prosecutor from the court to go to trial
So the prosecutor can bring this to trial if they want?

36. Indictment presented, at the prerogative of the prosecutor, after investigations have taken place

37. Defense will have chance to cross-examine witnesses before an examining judge

Can the prosecution cross examine defense witnesses?

38. Maximum sentences: (i) Life imprisonment; or (ii) limited time. Section 11 Criminal Code

39. Maximum sentence of limited time sentence is 20 years i.e. 15 plus 5

40. Life sentencing has been issued in the past by the Courts.

41. Death sentence abolished since late 1800's and since then no serious attempts to re-instate same.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
i understand the reactions of americans.
their outrage and disbelief. we feel the same way.
and we agree that a lot of things went wrong and that the ones who did wrong, wether its the vandersloots or the justice department, in aruba or holland, should be trialed in court for their doings.
but, saying that, i also must say we felt the same when the american justice let o j simpson walk.
i mean, its all awfull and herendous and it is a good thing if the people take action and protest to things going wrong.
but lets not be hypocrits.


Those are good points. What gets me is that the Dutch laws do not seem to support the pursuit of justice. For example:

14. Hours of investigation limited. No investigation b/w 22:00 and 08:00

This is from this page: http://www.aruba.com/about/judicialsystem.php

What exactly does this mean, that you can't pursue your investigative duties of a crime after 10pm. at night?

However ... Karin Janssen made an exception in the case of the security guards.

Janet



Associated Press
June 7, 2005


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.  

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:26:54 PM
i think the answer is yes to both questions, bladerunner.
but there s more to it, my attorney has 8 giant walls filled with bookcases all full of books from floor to ceiling, containing lawbooks full of exeptions and jurisprudence. it all sounds so easy but is not so easy as it seems


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: private eye on February 15, 2008, 04:31:15 PM
I am in and out working today, but I loved all of the Herman pictures and there is some startling similarities between the 2. Don't feel bad Herman, you can't make diamonds from poop, and you were working with Anita, so it is understandable, and you were lonely, and almost blind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 04:35:36 PM
Bobby Cutts said he had an accident, too, accidentally hit his girlfriend with his elbow, loved her, didn't mean for it to happen.

Wept and cried, gnashed teeth, etc.

Guilty.

.


Anna,,,, Just got home has the verdict come down? Have to leave again in 5 min. no time to search.........

Poor Bobby wished he could call Jessie so she could make it all better....then why the f did ya kill her???



CANTON, Ohio  —  A jury has convicted former Ohio police officer Bobby Cutts Jr. of murdering his pregnant girlfriend and their unborn baby.

He could face the death penalty.

Cutts was convicted of aggravated murder in the death of the nearly full-term female fetus.

The jury found him not guilty of aggravated murder in Davis' death, a count that includes intent to kill with prior calculation and design. But they convicted him of a lesser charge of murder in her death.

Aggravated murder carries a possible death sentence.

Cutts, who resigned as a Canton patrolman after his arrest, had pleaded not guilty to all charges.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330787,00.html


Thanks Anna.... I have been out all day , in for a bit and had to leave to carry boys to practice and have to leave again soon to pick them up.....was wondering if they reached a
verdict...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on February 15, 2008, 04:36:18 PM
Tamikosmom IIRC J2Ks and SGCroes were all arrested at 6AM....Does that mean they were all illegally arrested? ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 04:37:24 PM
Afternoon Monkeys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:39:16 PM
Klaas,  email in your gmail acct.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 04:40:05 PM
Rudy Croes holds no sway over van der straaten, dompig or Janssen. I believe he is doing exactly that, he's told Paulus to take responsibility or leave the island.

The Dutch Aruba tension is flaring.

Mos is in charge, but he's an outsider. This is the tacit plea bargain. Either Paulus admits what he's done, or leave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:40:10 PM
Afternoon Monkeys

Good Afternoon SGG!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:41:52 PM
Rudy Croes holds no sway over van der straaten, dompig or Janssen. I believe he is doing exactly that, he's told Paulus to take responsibility or leave the island.

The Dutch Aruba tension is flaring.

Mos is in charge, but he's an outsider. This is the tacit plea bargain. Either Paulus admits what he's done, or leave.

I tend to agree with you Frank, on all points you mention.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 04:42:28 PM
From the Dutch sites  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dumpert.nl/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/c00265fd_Das_Bootjoran.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 04:43:14 PM
Another from the Dutch site: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranPinocDutch.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SouthGeorgiaGirl on February 15, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
We can only hope klaas


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Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 15, 2008, 04:43:32 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::
O,, so no re-arrest because the evidence in the secretly recorded tapes are "inconsistent" with other evidence....

AAAAHHHHHHHHGRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should call Urine Van Grr Poop "The Teflon Murderer"!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 04:46:43 PM
does anyone know the call in number for the nancy grace show, I can't find it or the time to try to call into the show?

Can someone help me?


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Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 15, 2008, 04:47:17 PM

URINE VAN OF POOP should rot a horrible death in hell


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Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 04:47:21 PM
it was on TV just now that Beth has asked mr. Moskowitz (one of the best) in Hlland, to see if they can start a civil suit against Joran.

Harm Brouwer talked today in the newspaper and on television about renewal of the justice system.
this is result of the de vries tapes.

also de vries is attacked, on tv attorneys as well as brouwer said he did obstruckt justice by broadcasting the joran tapes without delevering new evidence. its playing the public, they said


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Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:48:04 PM
OLDFART!! I see you out there lurking!  Get in here and post again.  I miss you!   ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:49:31 PM
Just on Fox.  O'Reilly will be covering "Joran getting away with Murder"  tonight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 04:51:14 PM
does anyone know the call in number for the nancy grace show, I can't find it or the time to try to call into the show?

Can someone help me?

I don't see it on her website but I think she gives the number durring the show.  There is an email link (contact us) down on the bottom right of the website:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/


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Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:51:56 PM
it was on TV just now that Beth has asked mr. Moskowitz (one of the best) in Hlland, to see if they can start a civil suit against Joran.

Harm Brouwer talked today in the newspaper and on television about renewal of the justice system.
this is result of the de vries tapes.

also de vries is attacked, on tv attorneys as well as brouwer said he did obstruckt justice by broadcasting the joran tapes without delevering new evidence. its playing the public, they said

Thanks Imnoangel!  I certainly hope the public isn't buying into the attacks!  They saw for themselves! He gave the tapes to Mos before airing.  Don't you think Mos would have asked him to hold on a bit, if HE felt it was obstructing justice?
Go Beth! 


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Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 04:52:31 PM
it was on TV just now that Beth has asked mr. Moskowitz (one of the best) in Hlland, to see if they can start a civil suit against Joran.

Harm Brouwer talked today in the newspaper and on television about renewal of the justice system.
this is result of the de vries tapes.

also de vries is attacked, on tv attorneys as well as brouwer said he did obstruckt justice by broadcasting the joran tapes without delevering new evidence. its playing the public, they said

Wow, that would be good.  Yes I see DeVries is taking some heat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:53:55 PM
does anyone know the call in number for the nancy grace show, I can't find it or the time to try to call into the show?

Can someone help me?

I don't see it on her website but I think she gives the number durring the show.  There is an email link (contact us) down on the bottom right of the website:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

I posted it several days ago.  It flashes on the bottom right of the screen.  It was either 866 or 877-NANCY01.  I'd have to go find my post


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Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 04:58:27 PM
OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks.  ::MonkeyShocked::


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Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 04:59:16 PM
Please I want to call in and ask about going from "homicide" (security guards)with evidence, to a "disappearance" with "no clues."

And why the beach story could not have happened, at all.



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Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 05:00:42 PM
I wonder how long it will take the Sloots to begin a lawsuit against Devries for defamation of character...

Defamation..
a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions.

I'd laugh but well,stranger things have happened... ::MonkeyConfused::


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Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 05:00:43 PM
or I was going to be more concise:

Are blacks allowed to use the no body, no crime defense in Aruba?


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Post by: Magnolia on February 15, 2008, 05:07:12 PM
does anyone know the call in number for the nancy grace show, I can't find it or the time to try to call into the show?

Can someone help me?

"Nancy Grace" is television's only justice themed/interview/debate show, ... call "Nancy Grace" at 1-888-GRACE-01 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 05:08:15 PM

Rudy Croes holds no sway over van der straaten, dompig or Janssen. I believe he is doing exactly that, he's told Paulus to take responsibility or leave the island.

The Dutch Aruba tension is flaring.

Mos is in charge, but he's an outsider. This is the tacit plea bargain. Either Paulus admits what he's done, or leave.

Frank ... I do believe that we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

It is my understanding (correct me if I am wrong) that Rudy Croes is the Minister of Justice and ... Dennis Jacobs, Jan vander Straaten and Gerold Dompig were under his watch in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Nevertheless ... it was the office of Rudy Croes that made that press statement on June 10, 2005 ... announcing that Natalee was confirmed dead and ... the location of her body was known to authorities.

If Paulus and Joran go down ... the corrupt investigation let by Dennis Jacobs, Jan vander Straaten and Gerold Dompig will be exposed for what it was ... a coverup to protect a friend/collegue and his son from their participation in the event that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 when Natalee Holloway went missing and ... was never seen again.  If this happens ... Rudy Croes also  goes down.

Dennis Jacobs, Jan vander Straaten and Gerold Dompig never anticipated the media attention that a determined Mother and Stepfather dictated in their quests for answers regarding their precious Natalee.

I contend ... along with Karin Janssen/certain judges/certain Dutch/Aruban government official ... Dennis Jacobs, Jan vander Straaten and Gerold Dompig would go down if Joran and Paulus were held accountable and ... the truth regarding the coverup was revealed.

I suspect that Rudy Croes reasoning for getting the VDS' off the Island are purely self motivated.

IMO

Janet

+++++++++

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005


GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA (Twan Huys)
June 28, 2005

JUDICIARY


Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?
 
Paulus van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?
 
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.


PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].

Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?
 
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): Mrs. Croes.
 
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.


ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT

Reporter (Twan Huys): Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

Paulus van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?

Paulus van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): Jan van der Straaten.

Paulus van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.

Translation Credit: Dugo - Riehl Worldview


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 05:08:48 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::   AAARRGGGHHHH  Taco and Rosemarie on Fox now!


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Post by: Sue on February 15, 2008, 05:09:58 PM
Taco on Gibson right now on fox


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Post by: Keepthefaith on February 15, 2008, 05:10:59 PM
I wonder how long it will take the Sloots to begin a lawsuit against Devries for defamation of character...

Defamation..
a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions.

I'd laugh but well,stranger things have happened... ::MonkeyConfused::

Don't know Dutch law,but one would think if they even thought about that Joran,as well as Paulus would be in for some serious Grilling..Don't think they wanna do that.Thoughts from the Dutch monkeys???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 05:18:24 PM
Janet,

I don't think we disagree. Janssen and van der straaten are not under him now.

I'm not sure about Jacobs.

When they announced the confession, I believe they were ready to nail Paulus as they couldn't make his lies fit. Someone got tired of the b.s.

It's also odd that leading to "the body" would not have been out in the ocean.

I think Joran was totally faking disappointment on the beach, he was acting or high when he slammed the hood of the police car. The new script by Paulus was playing out.

I think Paulus beat van der straaten in an effort to control the "story."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 05:19:13 PM
Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 05:22:56 PM
I hope this link does NOT say what I think it says.  Ran some through Google but any help translating would be appreciated.  Not word for word, too long, just the substance of the article.

I think it says Joran can expect to receive money for his time in jail and maybe sue deVries.

Well. . . wouldn't he have to show his face first to do that, lol!




RTL reporter and Dutch lawyer Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops said Joran can get cashing after Peter R. de Vries his show.


Mr. Knoops: I think his case is over and out, unless there come a very convincing evidence at the table, differently than a confession of Joran van der Sloot.


RTL report told: Joran can cashing for 100 days detention, it amount is 95 euro (142 dollar) per day for detention. BUT!


Mr. Knoops said: It comes frequently for that the amount raises going to 150 euro (225 dollar) to 200 euro (300 dollar) per day, but sometimes higher then 200 euro (300 dollar) also.


RTL reporter: But also he can get a claim lay down by SBS6 and Peter r. de Vries for damaging the privacy law and security. Joran is since the TV show not going outside the house and is still gone still hiding.

Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops was involved by maintaining from Wilco Viets en Herman du Bois in the Puttense murder case.
They get first 10 years a jailsentence, but Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops get them out the jail over 7 years stay in the jail.
The both suspect getting free, and where for sure not the suspects. Mr. Meester Geert-Jan Knoops did ask a claim for 4,4 million euro (6,6 million dollar) for both of the suspects but, they get a cashing total for 1,8 million euros (2,7 million dollar) for both. 900.000 euro (1,350.000 dollar) for one person.

This claims is was very right, because they are for sure not the suspects in this rape and murder case, of this female.
Peter was involved in this case. But, again without results.

http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/system/video/html/components/actueel/editienl/miMedia/2008/week07/vr_joran.avi_plain.xml



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Sue on February 15, 2008, 05:25:21 PM
Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

that is what I want to hear sue his ass off


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 05:26:02 PM
Did the Kalpoes meet that 5 day requirement for submitting those documents to Dr. Phil? 


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Post by: littletxlady on February 15, 2008, 05:28:51 PM
The last paragraph pretty well sums things up for me
 JMO

http://therealarubatruth.blogspot.com/

Saturday, February 09, 2008
New Protests Coming Up This Month

This time the protesters have anti-Aruba freebies to hand out: I'm told that totes, pens, and magnets will be available...and I do believe that the organizers will be handing out Boycott Aruba on Spring Break fliers, too.

The first protest will be at the Seaport Hotel and World Trade Center in Boston (200 Seaport Blvd) on February 22-24, 2008. The second will be in New York City at the Jacob. K. Javits Convention Center (655 W. 34th Street) the following weekend.

Please note that the ATA is a presenting sponsor of the Boston show. It is very important that we embarrass them in Boston!

Let me remind people of a few things, both in the U.S. and Aruba:

~ Nobody can stop us from protesting, not today, not ten years from now. Unlike Aruba, where polis dispersed a labor protest just last year, the U.S. is a free country where peaceful demonstrations are commonplace and a protected right;

~ Nobody can make Americans come to Aruba as opposed to the many other Caribbean islands that are exactly the same as Aruba (except those other places are cheaper and less desolate);

~ Joran may be persona non grata in Aruba now, and his father may possibly lose a lot of his
"Dutch privilege" committee positions in Aruba, but that doesn't help Natalee's family;

~ the Aruban people have still fail to hold their government responsible for the fact that corrupt, privileged Dutch scumbags still run the country and are still doing their part to protect their equally corrupt Dutch friends;

~ In fact, nothing has changed in Aruba. The same corrupt Dutch and the same corrupt MEP
are in charge, and the short-sighted and failed 'status aparte' treaty with Mother
Netherlands still allows for this corruption to continue unchallenged;

~ Aruba is still a hub for drug trafficking, offshore money laundering, and human trafficking;

~ Aruba's ruling party, the MEP, is still politically close to Venzuelan 'President' Hugo Chavez, the most outspoken anti-American Communist dictator in South America;

~ Key people who were aware of Natalee's disappearance in the first 48 hours, namely Gerold
Dompig, Dennis Jacobs, and Jan van der Straaten, have never been questioned by Dutch
authorities or investigated for any wrongdoing;

~ All of this has harmed the average Aruban far more than the fatcat hotel and casino owners,
the politicians, and the Netherlands. And yet the people who have the most to lose are still too blind to realize how crappy their elected officials are, and unwilling to do anything but cry, cry, cry;

~ We still don't know what happened to Natalee, by whose hand, or if it is even possible
to find this out and provide meaningful justice.


Finally, I have a message for poor, suicidal little innocent as a newborn weasel Joran: if you're not man enough to own up for what you did, at least to Natalee's family for their sake, then maybe it would be best for everyone if you weren't here....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 05:29:05 PM
Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

Joran picked by Beth
Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.
   
She has previously lawyer Bram Moszkowicz approached. Moszkowicz examine whether Joran van der Sloot has been guilty of 'tort', on the basis of which he financially can be addressed, so that the lawyer said Friday in NOVA.

Her decision follows the decision of the Court on Curaçao that Joran van der Sloot will not be re-arrested in the Holloway case. According to the court, the programme of Peter R. De Vries not enough significant new evidence. The Public Prosecutor and the Court will not rule out that Joran has a severe personality disorder, which makes him less credible. The OM goes by investigating his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now a successful criminal therefore uncertain if Natalees mother, a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot start. When it comes to a procedure will be conducted in the Netherlands. Moszkowicz notes two facts as tort: the shock that Beth Twitty is being taken because they had knowledge of Jorans confessions in the program by Peter R. De Vries, and the concealment of the facts by Joran van der Sloot.

According to crime reporter Peter R. De Vries makes it an important opportunity.

The civil proceeding is separate from the criminal prosecution by the public prosecutor in Aruba. The probability that Joran criminal will be convicted eight Moszkowicz small. He considers the decision to non-detention by the court of the Dutch Antilles as a clue: "I think the criminal case at the end of runs. I say that I do not understand, or that I agree with it."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 05:30:06 PM
Well, part of the difference, IMO, is that at least PJ stood trial and a very lengthy one at that.

Joran can't even be arrested it seems.

No, our system is far from perfect but we are constantly seeking to improve it and to root out corruption.  We were told previously that Dutch judges are NEVER corrupt but we believe our lying eyes on that one.  ANYONE can be corrupt.

There are also concerns in this country about the conviction of the innocent.  One system is designed to let a hundred guilty go free rather than convict one innocent person.

But as no system is infallible in the first place, there have to be limits to even that concern.  That is where our jury system helps.  It requires not the opinion of one or even three judges but twelve members of one's peers all saying guilty.  This tends to reduce the likelihood of erroneous convictions for only one of the twelve can stop a guilty verdict.

And still mistakes are made but there is a certain number of those that a system just has to live with.  One can't let all guilty go free because of fear of wrongful conviction.  Reduce the odds of that happening as much as possible then live with the results.

.


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Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 05:30:56 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/1LOCK.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
Well, part of the difference, IMO, is that at least PJ stood trial and a very lengthy one at that.

Joran can't even be arrested it seems.

No, our system is far from perfect but we are constantly seeking to improve it and to root out corruption.  We were told previously that Dutch judges are NEVER corrupt but we believe our lying eyes on that one.  ANYONE can be corrupt.

There are also concerns in this country about the conviction of the innocent.  One system is designed to let a hundred guilty go free rather than convict one innocent person.

But as no system is infallible in the first place, there have to be limits to even that concern.  That is where our jury system helps.  It requires not the opinion of one or even three judges but twelve members of one's peers all saying guilty.  This tends to reduce the likelihood of erroneous convictions for only one of the twelve can stop a guilty verdict.

And still mistakes are made but there is a certain number of those that a system just has to live with.  One can't let all guilty go free because of fear of wrongful conviction.  Reduce the odds of that happening as much as possible then live with the results.

.

Edit PJ to OJ please!

Yes, I am tired and already thinking of my jammies!!!

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on February 15, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
I have a hypothetical question.

Joran had stated that he wanted enough money from suing the Aruban Government to buy a house in Spain. 

Since he is no longer 'welcome' in Aruban, and he feels his life is in danger in Holland, what if he moves to Spain declares himself a citizen, and lives there.  Could he then be extradited back to Aruba if they decide to file charges against him, or would he be safe in Spain.  What about Portugal?  Anyone know??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on February 15, 2008, 05:34:05 PM
I have a hypothetical question.

Joran had stated that he wanted enough money from suing the Aruban Government to buy a house in Spain. 

Since he is no longer 'welcome' in Aruban, and he feels his life is in danger in Holland, what if he moves to Spain declares himself a citizen, and lives there.  Could he then be extradited back to Aruba if they decide to file charges against him, or would he be safe in Spain.  What about Portugal?  Anyone know??

Do they have any mafia in Spain?  :smt102 What??  I was just asking...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 05:34:09 PM
Beth Holloway, Natalees mother, prepare a civil matter against Joran
of of the ditch.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html


I have to let my dog outttt nowwww...can't translate it at the moment. Be back soon.

that is what I want to hear sue his ass off


Oh, and this one is another HOTTIE like deVries, maybe even better!  That is IF it is the one I am thinking of with similar name.  Hope so!

.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 05:35:01 PM
How much more obvious is it that Aruba is washing their hands of the whole matter.

Closing the case and asking Paulus to leave.

Cowards.


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Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
How much more obvious is it that Aruba is washing their hands of the whole matter.

Closing the case and asking Paulus to leave.

Cowards.

I'm catching up a little, what is the news related to Paulus?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: the big hammer on February 15, 2008, 05:38:53 PM
This Is Exactly What JQK Did to OJ

klaasend writes: Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.

The standards of guilt in civil proceeding are far less arduous than in criminal.

JQK won the guilty civil verdict for the Brown family after his criminal acquittal, and OJ has been a pariah and broke ever since.

The discovery in this proceeding will be revealing, and all the names you know: van der Stratten, Jaansen, van der sloot (pa and ma), Freddie, Kalpoe, Carasquilla and bundles more will be deposed.  Check out JQK's NY filing -- every one of the points he makes in this devastating document has substantiation -- and add to that the filmed confession of jvds, as well as his inhuman imitation of a suffering and dying Natalee --

-- and the sloots can kiss their bank accounts, assets and property holdings good-bye.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 05:40:38 PM
OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
I wonder how long it will take the Sloots to begin a lawsuit against Devries for defamation of character...

Defamation..
a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions.

I'd laugh but well,stranger things have happened... ::MonkeyConfused::

Sadly,  I have no doubt, he is on top of there list of suits. Joran made that very clear, how they would make so much money off this!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 05:41:51 PM
This Is Exactly What JQK Did to OJ

klaasend writes: Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.

The standards of guilt in civil proceeding are far less arduous than in criminal.

JQK won the guilty civil verdict for the Brown family after his criminal acquittal, and OJ has been a pariah and broke ever since.

The discovery in this proceeding will be revealing, and all the names you know: van der Stratten, Jaansen, van der sloot (pa and ma), Freddie, Kalpoe, Carasquilla and bundles more will be deposed.  Check out JQK's NY filing -- every one of the points he makes in this devastating document has substantiation -- and add to that the filmed confession of jvds, as well as his inhuman imitation of a suffering and dying Natalee --

-- and the sloots can kiss their bank accounts, assets and property holdings good-bye.

.

Is there a link to that filing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 05:42:58 PM
OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.

VERY true,  but what's the point of buying accessories, if you don't have a gun?  It's like buying a car battey, when you don't have a car...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 05:45:59 PM
Have the van der sloots filed a suit yet? They won't.

No way they bring more attention to themselves, but I hope they do.

I hope they sue everyone, their arrogance will nail them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 05:47:30 PM
OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.

VERY true,  but what's the point of buying accessories, if you don't have a gun?  It's like buying a car battey, when you don't have a car...

I use car batteries for my uninterruptable power supply.  I use gun 'accessories' for my guns.  There is nothing wrong with either application.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 05:51:16 PM
This Is Exactly What JQK Did to OJ

klaasend writes: Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.

The standards of guilt in civil proceeding are far less arduous than in criminal.

JQK won the guilty civil verdict for the Brown family after his criminal acquittal, and OJ has been a pariah and broke ever since.

The discovery in this proceeding will be revealing, and all the names you know: van der Stratten, Jaansen, van der sloot (pa and ma), Freddie, Kalpoe, Carasquilla and bundles more will be deposed.  Check out JQK's NY filing -- every one of the points he makes in this devastating document has substantiation -- and add to that the filmed confession of jvds, as well as his inhuman imitation of a suffering and dying Natalee --

-- and the sloots can kiss their bank accounts, assets and property holdings good-bye.

.

Is there a link to that filing?

No actual link to a filing, only a Dutch report a couple of pages back.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 05:53:42 PM
I disagree, if Joran and paulus go down, nobody else has to go down. They are not going to be able to blackmail anyone, but stick to their own defense. What are they going to do tell the judge about Rudy Croe's dirt as a defense?

But if van der straaten, Jacobs and Janssen start to get scared the van der sloots will go down.

Well then why does Rudy who is the minister of justice and obviously has no use for Joran allow this to happen?

this might be confusing stuff. but i checked it as good as i can.
i am just writing this down for myself for future reference and background information.

in my opinion a lot of people in and around the justice department have got all kinds of stuff on Rudy Croes.
so Rudy Croes has to protect those people.

like i said before here. i have a high suspicion of old cows back from the IRT-affair still in the ditch.
this was a scandal which shook the nation.
this has to be re-investigated in my opinion.
i did notify a MP about this and got a nice response.
the head of the parlement-enquiry (Van Traa) died under suspicious circumstances it was reported.
but days later is was reported that he just died in a car accident on a lane on the highway near Amsterdam.

but like i said before, both Rudy Croes and the Hirsch Ballin lost their jobs as justice minister around 1994.
and now they are both in the same position again.
also they are taking weekly hits at eachother, at least that's how i read it.

yesterday Ballin said two police corps made an error by not letting Aruba OM (headed by Croes) know that Patrick came forward to offer his help with the infiltration.
the IRT-affair was about infiltrations in the drugs trade - but police got rich of it.
so they set very strict rules for further infiltrations for the Dutch justice department.
but no stricter rules were set for the Aruban justice department.
Wet bijzondere opsporingsbevoegdheden (BOB) went into force in 2000.

yesterday i thought this was after 9/11 but now i see it was already in 2000.
it's all about wiretapping and infiltrations (by civilians!).
BOB doesn't apply to Aruba. Aruba can't use civilian infiltrators - so the comment by Ballin doesn't make sense.
the only reason why he has said that is to embarras Croes why he never put BOB up for vote in parliament.
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/asp/artnr/191486/more/true/index.html

in 2004 the previous dutch justice minister Donner wanted one OM for Aruba and the Antilles.
just like there is one Higher Court for Aruba and The Antilles in Willemstad, Curaçao.
Rudy Croes didn't want this, because he wanted to run his own OM.
a justice minister is head of the OM but doesn't normally interfere with cases.
Croes gets pissed of if the OM doesn't notify him in advance when jvds is about to be arrested.
Aruba has status aparte in the Kingdom. there own institution but a shared Higher Court with The Antilles.
the appeal went yesterday went wrong at the Higher Court.

there is also some racial tension between Aruba en Curaçao because on Aruba most people are more white, and on Curaçao more black - this is because Aruba didn't have plantations with slaves.
that also maybe a reason why Croes doesn't want the OM to run from Curaçao.
with the Most Wanted program in 2006, Joran was portrayed as a darker skinned boy.
the Antilles minister-at large in The Hague got angry because of that.
then the Aruban OM reacted by saying: over here that color we call white.

another thing is that Ballin want to pass a law to send Aruban / Antillian ex-criminals back to Aruba / The Antilles.
Croes reacted to this by naming Joran 'persona non grata'.
but i think i have read now maybe due to Balkenende's visit this law won't be presented to parliament anymore.
so they gave in to Croes. don't know what Croes had to give in return.

i just put it out here. maybe things will make sense one day.
if there are questions i can look it up.

i keep following those two justice ministers closely.
also because of Peter R. Vries civilian infiltration and BOB, which Aruba doesn't have it is interesting.

another thing the media is totally missing:
remember last friday harm brouwers the highest official in the dutch OM said.
"Criticizing Peter R. de Vries is hypocritical"
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/asp/artnr/191869/index.html

this and Ballin hitting at Croes and back makes me believe the Dutch gov and OM is about get though on Aruba.

my source is mainly Elsevier weekly.
i've got a subscription.
http://www.elsevier.nl

together with De Telegraaf they seem to be getting suspicious.
De Telegraaf is bit of a tabloid.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/
but Elsevier is a weekly regarded right of the political spectrum.
but for as long as i read it it is critical of the weak Balkenende governments.
i hope they continue to follow this case and be critical.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Dihannah1 on February 15, 2008, 05:54:44 PM
OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.

VERY true,  but what's the point of buying accessories, if you don't have a gun?  It's like buying a car battey, when you don't have a car...

I use car batteries for my uninterruptable power supply.  I use gun 'accessories' for my guns.  There is nothing wrong with either application.

Sorry, bad analogy,  just came to me real quickly.   DON"T get me wrong!  My husband is an AVID hunter!  And that's an understatement, so I in now way implying people shouldn't own guns.  We have plenty of shotguns locked up in a gun cabinet here.  It's just a shame that that guns and accessories can get into the wrong hands.   But I suppose that could be said for any type of legal weapon.  It's just a sad story and sadly ironic that it came from the same person.  Forgive my incorrect implications.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: the big hammer on February 15, 2008, 05:56:05 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 05:57:08 PM
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 - 04:59 PM

The Dutch college student suspected in Natalee Holloway's disappearance won't be rearrested.

An appeals court made that decision Thursday.

That's despite a secretly taped conversation of Joran van der Sloot explaining that he was with Natalee when she died.

For Natalee Holloway's parents, the Aruban appellate decision is another disappointment.

But as they explained to NBC13, there are still other options to getting justice for their daughter.

"I think what I do take comfort in, his life is a living hell," said Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway.

And while that brings Beth Holloway comfort, she told us earlier this week that what she fears is what Joran van der Sloot could do in the future.

"I think he is a time bomb and he will strike again," Beth Holloway said.

But now another court said no to rearresting him, despite a secretly taped conversation where he admitted he was with Natalee when she died, then dumped her body.

Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, called this another disappointment — but he's not surprised.

"I've always said this: If justice is going to served, it's going to be when we find Natalee," Dave Holloway said.

Dave hopes “the persistence,” heading back out to Aruba next week, will do just that — find Natalee.

He says next week, the ship along with Texas Equusearch will take a look at the 100 non-ocean objects found on the ocean floor.

As for Beth, her hope is in the Aruban justice department, which she believes will eventually charge and try van der Sloot for Natalee's murder.

But at least now she knows what happened to her daughter.

"Even though the knowing is difficult, I do find peace and comfort in at least finally seeing the light. The light meaning can see the puzzle pieces in knowing what was happening to Natalee. Even though it's difficult as it is — parents especially — they just want to know what happened."

The Aruban appellate court said the secret videotape conflicted with other van der Sloot statements.

The prosecutor said some things on the tape can be verified, but investigators can't prove what happened on the beach.

The prosecutor said the case remains open.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2008-02-15-0020.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 15, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
This Is Exactly What JQK Did to OJ

klaasend writes: Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.

The standards of guilt in civil proceeding are far less arduous than in criminal.

JQK won the guilty civil verdict for the Brown family after his criminal acquittal, and OJ has been a pariah and broke ever since.

The discovery in this proceeding will be revealing, and all the names you know: van der Stratten, Jaansen, van der sloot (pa and ma), Freddie, Kalpoe, Carasquilla and bundles more will be deposed.  Check out JQK's NY filing -- every one of the points he makes in this devastating document has substantiation -- and add to that the filmed confession of jvds, as well as his inhuman imitation of a suffering and dying Natalee --

-- and the sloots can kiss their bank accounts, assets and property holdings good-bye.

.

Is there a link to that filing?

No actual link to a filing, only a Dutch report a couple of pages back.

I have every confidence John Kelly can make this stick, if only the Dutch courts give it a fair shake, which will remain to be seen. Can any of our dutch posters speak to that? What is the level of equity in your civil courts, do you feel there is parity for victims?

Hopefully some of our smart monkeys can research this but that civil case has been long overdue. The VDS family has brought this down on themselves.

Evil people, evil evil people to lie as those two parents have for that horror of a man-child-sociopath.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 06:03:18 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!

.

Not sure if we have the NY Filing link.  That's NOT what they ar referring to now though, this referenced a Dutch attorney.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html

Through translator:

Joran picked by Beth
Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.
   
Mother Beth had a lot to with Nathalee

She has previously lawyer Bram Moszkowicz approached. Moszkowicz examine whether Joran van der Sloot has been guilty of 'tort', on the basis of which he financially can be addressed, so that the lawyer said Friday in NOVA.

Her decision follows the decision of the Court on Curaçao that Joran van der Sloot will not be re-arrested in the Holloway case. According to the court, the programme of Peter R. De Vries not enough significant new evidence. The Public Prosecutor and the Court will not rule out that Joran has a severe personality disorder, which makes him less credible. The OM goes by investigating his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now a successful criminal therefore uncertain if Natalees mother, a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot start. When it comes to a procedure will be conducted in the Netherlands. Moszkowicz notes two facts as tort: the shock that Beth Twitty is being taken because they had knowledge of Jorans confessions in the program by Peter R. De Vries, and the concealment of the facts by Joran van der Sloot.

According to crime reporter Peter R. De Vries makes it an important opportunity.

The civil proceeding is separate from the criminal prosecution by the public prosecutor in Aruba. The probability that Joran criminal will be convicted eight Moszkowicz small. He considers the decision to non-detention by the court of the Dutch Antilles as a clue: "I think the criminal case at the end of runs. I say that I do not understand, or that I agree with it."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 15, 2008, 06:03:44 PM
Is Joran still in Holland or has he fled secretly to another country?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: nonesuche on February 15, 2008, 06:06:08 PM
Yes the case does remain open Aruba - it does - small comfort knowing you are in control for essentially that means incompetence and deceit and a total lack of ethics.

It also means JORAN IS STUCK TO YOU and only those living under a rock in the modern world aren't aware of it.

It means his filth sticks to you Aruba...

It means his crimes become your crimes until you deliver justice...

It means continued losses to your economy that will hurt you where you care the most, in your greedy pockets ...

It means you deserve Joran until you deliver justice for his victim Natalee Holloway.


Her life meant so much - just as so many tried to tell you long before now - Joran's life is a train wreck and you allowed it to snuff out a life of great value.

Yes the case is still open........as if that resolves your obligations and responsibilities?

NEVER



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 15, 2008, 06:07:44 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::
Is it me, or does anyone else find similarities between Urine Van of Poop's case to the O. J. Spermsucker case????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 15, 2008, 06:08:05 PM
i understand the reactions of americans.
their outrage and disbelief. we feel the same way.
and we agree that a lot of things went wrong and that the ones who did wrong, wether its the vandersloots or the justice department, in aruba or holland, should be trialed in court for their doings.
but, saying that, i also must say we felt the same when the american justice let o j simpson walk.
i mean, its all awfull and herendous and it is a good thing if the people take action and protest to things going wrong.
but lets not be hypocrits.


Those are good points. What gets me is that the Dutch laws do not seem to support the pursuit of justice. For example:

14. Hours of investigation limited. No investigation b/w 22:00 and 08:00

This is from this page: http://www.aruba.com/about/judicialsystem.php

What exactly does this mean, that you can't pursue your investigative duties of a crime after 10pm. at night?

However ... Karin Janssen made an exception in the case of the security guards.

Janet



Associated Press
June 7, 2005


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.  

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.


Janet

This FBI gave very few statements.  But they did state they were not involved in this raid (I believe at the same time they stated they didn't get in the water).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 06:08:47 PM
Posted at RU by Glenda - no link of course:

Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.

J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:08:52 PM
OT,  but just on Fox.  The guy who shot up NIU yesterday, purchased gun accessories from the same website as VTech killer!   Why in God's name would we be allowed to sell this stuff on the internet?   They can't do background checks.  ::MonkeyShocked::

Because gun 'accessories' don't kill people.

VERY true,  but what's the point of buying accessories, if you don't have a gun?  It's like buying a car battey, when you don't have a car...

I use car batteries for my uninterruptable power supply.  I use gun 'accessories' for my guns.  There is nothing wrong with either application.

Sorry, bad analogy,  just came to me real quickly.   DON"T get me wrong!  My husband is an AVID hunter!  And that's an understatement, so I in now way implying people shouldn't own guns.  We have plenty of shotguns locked up in a gun cabinet here.  It's just a shame that that guns and accessories can get into the wrong hands.   But I suppose that could be said for any type of legal weapon.  It's just a sad story and sadly ironic that it came from the same person.  Forgive my incorrect implications.

Not a problem my sister for justice.  It is always better to be tried by twelve than carried by six. 

Just think, if a student or faculty member in that room with a license to carry had been allowed to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, how low the death toll would have been?

I don't carry for self protection, I carry for your protection.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:18:31 PM
i m back again, have been watching de vries on pauw and witteman.

Dihannah1, it would have been better if Mos would have more time to investigate the tapes, Moss has asked for more time, but de vries had to schedule the broadcast with the net.
thats the reason why Mos had them only 2 weeks before the broadcast.

Beth is likely to succeed in a civil suit against joran.

and i doubt very much if the sloot family can claim any money from the government because joran lied and lied and lied.
thats the first thing people laughingly said after seeing the tapes: ha, joran, you can kiss hat money goodbye!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:18:53 PM
Sorry all ya'll.  I didn't intend to scare everyone off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
Beth is in good hands with Moscowitz, although his father was the best, but he is not practising law anymore, he is retired.
Bram Moscowitz is a flamboyant figure, drives in real expensive cars and wears handmade suits. i expect a lot of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 06:23:02 PM
TONIGHT!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 06:24:50 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!

.

Not sure if we have the NY Filing link.  That's NOT what they ar referring to now though, this referenced a Dutch attorney.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html

Through translator:

Joran picked by Beth
Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.
   
Mother Beth had a lot to with Nathalee

She has previously lawyer Bram Moszkowicz approached. Moszkowicz examine whether Joran van der Sloot has been guilty of 'tort', on the basis of which he financially can be addressed, so that the lawyer said Friday in NOVA.

Her decision follows the decision of the Court on Curaçao that Joran van der Sloot will not be re-arrested in the Holloway case. According to the court, the programme of Peter R. De Vries not enough significant new evidence. The Public Prosecutor and the Court will not rule out that Joran has a severe personality disorder, which makes him less credible. The OM goes by investigating his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now a successful criminal therefore uncertain if Natalees mother, a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot start. When it comes to a procedure will be conducted in the Netherlands. Moszkowicz notes two facts as tort: the shock that Beth Twitty is being taken because they had knowledge of Jorans confessions in the program by Peter R. De Vries, and the concealment of the facts by Joran van der Sloot.

According to crime reporter Peter R. De Vries makes it an important opportunity.

The civil proceeding is separate from the criminal prosecution by the public prosecutor in Aruba. The probability that Joran criminal will be convicted eight Moszkowicz small. He considers the decision to non-detention by the court of the Dutch Antilles as a clue: "I think the criminal case at the end of runs. I say that I do not understand, or that I agree with it."

Bram Moszkowicz

most well known Dutch lawyer imo.

but last year he made a huge blunder by defending Willem Holleeder (biggest gangster after Klaas Bruinsma) and it came out from the Endstra-tapes that Willem Holleeder blackmailed Willem Endstra. Moszkowicz was also lawyer of Endstra.
But Endstra got assassinated. Conflicting interest. So he had to pass on the case to another lawyer.
Holleeder got convicted of 9 years in prison for money laundering.
just last week he got arrested in prison for assassinations in the last few years.
the Endstra-tapes ware a sting operation in Endstra-car this time not by a civilian but by the police.

so maybe Moszkowicz wants to save his reputation and go all the way for Beth!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

there are hundreds of connections.
if you read all about it you know everything about the Amsterdam/Dutch-maffia.
of course Peter R. de Vries is also covering Willem Holleeder.
the last few years there have been many assassination in that maffia.
for a period almost weekly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Moszkowicz < wiki got just made not enough info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Holleeder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Endstra

Moszkowicz is a lawyer family.
Max is the father and David Moszkowicz, Max Moszkowicz jr., Robert Moszkowicz en Bram Moszkowicz are all lawyers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:24:50 PM
i m back again, have been watching de vries on pauw and witteman.

Dihannah1, it would have been better if Mos would have more time to investigate the tapes, Moss has asked for more time, but de vries had to schedule the broadcast with the net.
thats the reason why Mos had them only 2 weeks before the broadcast.

Beth is likely to succeed in a civil suit against joran.

and i doubt very much if the sloot family can claim any money from the government because joran lied and lied and lied.
thats the first thing people laughingly said after seeing the tapes: ha, joran, you can kiss hat money goodbye!

Hello, thank you again for your reply.

In other words joran...

Your big fat 0.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 06:25:20 PM
Sorry all ya'll.  I didn't intend to scare everyone off.


You didn't scare me  :smt066 .....I am right along beside you ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:27:37 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!

.

Not sure if we have the NY Filing link.  That's NOT what they ar referring to now though, this referenced a Dutch attorney.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html

Through translator:

Joran picked by Beth
Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.
   
Mother Beth had a lot to with Nathalee

She has previously lawyer Bram Moszkowicz approached. Moszkowicz examine whether Joran van der Sloot has been guilty of 'tort', on the basis of which he financially can be addressed, so that the lawyer said Friday in NOVA.

Her decision follows the decision of the Court on Curaçao that Joran van der Sloot will not be re-arrested in the Holloway case. According to the court, the programme of Peter R. De Vries not enough significant new evidence. The Public Prosecutor and the Court will not rule out that Joran has a severe personality disorder, which makes him less credible. The OM goes by investigating his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now a successful criminal therefore uncertain if Natalees mother, a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot start. When it comes to a procedure will be conducted in the Netherlands. Moszkowicz notes two facts as tort: the shock that Beth Twitty is being taken because they had knowledge of Jorans confessions in the program by Peter R. De Vries, and the concealment of the facts by Joran van der Sloot.

According to crime reporter Peter R. De Vries makes it an important opportunity.

The civil proceeding is separate from the criminal prosecution by the public prosecutor in Aruba. The probability that Joran criminal will be convicted eight Moszkowicz small. He considers the decision to non-detention by the court of the Dutch Antilles as a clue: "I think the criminal case at the end of runs. I say that I do not understand, or that I agree with it."

Bram Moszkowicz

most well known Dutch lawyer imo.

but last year he made a huge blunder by defending Willem Holleeder (biggest gangster after Klaas Bruinsma) and it came out from the Endstra-tapes that Willem Holleeder blackmailed Willem Endstra. Moszkowicz was also lawyer of Endstra.
But Endstra got assassinated. Conflicting interest. So he had to pass on the case to another lawyer.
Holleeder got convicted of 9 years in prison for money laundering.
just last week he got arrested in prison for assassinations in the last few years.
the Endstra-tapes ware a sting operation in Endstra-car this time not by a civilian but by the police.

so maybe Moszkowicz wants to save his reputation and go all the way for Beth!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

there are hundreds of connections.
if you read all about it you know everything about the Amsterdam/Dutch-maffia.
of course Peter R. de Vries is also covering Willem Holleeder.
the last few years there have been many assassination in that maffia.
for a period almost weekly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Moszkowicz < wiki got just made not enough info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Holleeder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Endstra

Moszkowicz is a lawyer family.
Max is the father and David Moszkowicz, Max Moszkowicz jr., Robert Moszkowicz en Bram Moszkowicz are all lawyers.


Thank you for your help. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:28:04 PM
you're welcome


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:29:18 PM
Sorry all ya'll.  I didn't intend to scare everyone off.


You didn't scare me  :smt066 .....I am right along beside you ;)

Nut, if you ever want to shoot some 'exotic' guns or cannons, let me know!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 06:30:13 PM
Imnoangel,

Great point. The tipping point for those in Aruba and Holland were 2 things I think:

The way Joran spoke about Natalee

The fact he wanted to get rich off Natalee and more important, the very people he claims to care about.

The second one will doom him.

I still predict you will never see the van der sloots even bring a suit anywhere but Aruba.

Is a small world now Paulus.

I wish the U.S. would have a reason to attempt to arrest the van der sloots if they step on any soil that has an agreement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 06:30:55 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!

.

Not sure if we have the NY Filing link.  That's NOT what they ar referring to now though, this referenced a Dutch attorney.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3311688/_Joran_geplukt_door_Beth__.html

Through translator:

Joran picked by Beth
Beth Twitty, Natalees mother, is preparing a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot.
   
Mother Beth had a lot to with Nathalee

She has previously lawyer Bram Moszkowicz approached. Moszkowicz examine whether Joran van der Sloot has been guilty of 'tort', on the basis of which he financially can be addressed, so that the lawyer said Friday in NOVA.

Her decision follows the decision of the Court on Curaçao that Joran van der Sloot will not be re-arrested in the Holloway case. According to the court, the programme of Peter R. De Vries not enough significant new evidence. The Public Prosecutor and the Court will not rule out that Joran has a severe personality disorder, which makes him less credible. The OM goes by investigating his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Now a successful criminal therefore uncertain if Natalees mother, a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot start. When it comes to a procedure will be conducted in the Netherlands. Moszkowicz notes two facts as tort: the shock that Beth Twitty is being taken because they had knowledge of Jorans confessions in the program by Peter R. De Vries, and the concealment of the facts by Joran van der Sloot.

According to crime reporter Peter R. De Vries makes it an important opportunity.

The civil proceeding is separate from the criminal prosecution by the public prosecutor in Aruba. The probability that Joran criminal will be convicted eight Moszkowicz small. He considers the decision to non-detention by the court of the Dutch Antilles as a clue: "I think the criminal case at the end of runs. I say that I do not understand, or that I agree with it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Moszkowicz < wiki got just made not enough info


i mean wiki doesn't look complete


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 06:31:45 PM
O/T Speaking of guns...where is San?? Is she okay? 2 days...no posts  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
Quote
NATALEE…Y E FARSANTENAN!       
Tuesday, 22 January 2008 
Ta tempo pa e farsantenenan cu ta pulula manera musca entorno e caso lamentable di Natalee desentende nan mes di dje, y lague keda circumscribi na loke tin para den e procesverbaalnan policial. Fuera di nan, ken cu ta por specula, pretende di papia cu spirito, scucha voznan di ultratumba, enfin, bin cu delaster ridiculez posible. Esnan cu kier sa loke a pasa cu Natalee mester lesa tur e procesverbaalnan cu e intergadornan a traha despues di a scucha cada un di e tres sospechosonan, ademas di e tata di Joran y e cantidad di testigonan di interes pa polis.

 

Trece spiritistanan estilo Yomanda, o Negro Felipe, o Maria Lionza ta propio di hendenan cu ta biba den un mundo aleha di realidad. Y pa esnan cu no sa, un “spiritista” ta un persona cu ta kere den e doctrina cu e spirito di e mortonan por drenta den comunciacion cu e bibonan. Segun mi por a compronde, Rudy Croes parce di ta un creyente di tal doctrina.

E realidad di e caso ta, sinembargo, cu Natalee a desaparece ora cu e tabata den compania di tres sospechoso: Joran, Deepak y Satish! Punto! Ningun otro persona a bin padilanti pa bisa cu e sa concretamente kico a pasa cu e mucha muher, y no tabata tin ni un solo persona durante mas di dos aña y mey desde su desaparicion cu a constata cu evidencia irefutable cu e sa kico a pasa cu Natalee, ni unda e of su restonan ta. Di cu e por ta bibo? E ta un posibilidad cu ta sigui existi mientras no haya algun evidencia concreto cu e ta morto, pero mayoria di nos cu conoce e pormenornan di e caso ta convenci cu e mucha no ta na bida mas.

Mi a tende y lesa tanto disparate ultimamente cu tin biaha mi ta puntra mi mes si pa ocupa un puesto di Ministro e unico credencial cu bo tin mester ta un diploma den bobedad. Pa e Ministro di Husticia aparece na television den un di su arankenan emocional pasobra dos “spiritista” a bin cu un tou di invento tocante Natalee, mi no por pensa riba nada otro sino cu e ta indicativo di e nivel di inteligencia cu ta domina den e gobierno actual. Mi ta compronde e frustracion di e mandatarionan den ausencia di un solucion di e caso, pero loke mi no por compronde ni ta acepta tampoco ta e intento constante di Gobierno pa purba desvia atencion di e berdadero sospechosonan, navegando den e mundo di spiritonan cu e farsantenan cu un di nan mes a trece.

 
 

i have copied this from the diario, can anybody tell in short what it says?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 06:35:23 PM
Slowly, slowly, more pieces of the puzzle fall into place. . . .

Remember when Karin Janssen wrote that totally ridiculous letter to our Department of Justice asking if Beth was Hitler's sister's daughter or whatever Joran said, if she was related to Hitler.

My, how we laughed and laughed and speculated on that one.

It is now crystal clear, unfortunately, that she was in fact laying the groundwork for the "Joran Lies Defense" with that act.

At last I understand why an educated person would do something so laughable.

The OM I believe is supposed to remain neutral and represents "Justice" is that correct?

Except in this instance, OM, ALE and the judiciary were all extensions of the Defense Team.

There was never anyone at all to work on behalf of the victim in this instance.

I don't believe it is possible for OM to be neutral at all.  And if that's the case, why call them Prosecutors if they are in fact working to find only reasons not to do so.

MOO

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 06:35:28 PM
O/T Speaking of guns...where is San?? Is she okay? 2 days...no posts  ::MonkeyEek::

Now you have me worried.  I don't think I talked to her yesterday but I'm pretty sure I did the day before.  I'll check.  Didn't see her online last night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 06:36:01 PM
you're welcome

i didn't watch tv today.

but i think Beth makes a good chance with Bram Moszkowicz.
also because he knows how to play the media.
and in this huge case that is important because everybody has an opinion about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 15, 2008, 06:36:46 PM
I have a hypothetical question.

Joran had stated that he wanted enough money from suing the Aruban Government to buy a house in Spain. 

Since he is no longer 'welcome' in Aruban, and he feels his life is in danger in Holland, what if he moves to Spain declares himself a citizen, and lives there.  Could he then be extradited back to Aruba if they decide to file charges against him, or would he be safe in Spain.  What about Portugal?  Anyone know??

Do they have any mafia in Spain?  :smt102 What??  I was just asking...

How about Italy (where Joe practices law)?  Makes sense that Joe would want to protect the Sporter. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 06:36:53 PM
so now all parties all talking about who s gonna sue who for what. Before the truth has even surfaced. Maybe we should all take a moment and evaluate this whole affair.
In my opinion it should be about justice. Are we al losing sight of what this is all about? A young girl with her whole life ahead of her went missing and i my opinion it happened at the hands of this JVDS person. I cant prove it and  maybe i m right and maybe i m wrong. But that is not the point. The point is that we apparently live in a society where money, connections, and swinging public opinion your way equals justice.
From looking at the de Vries tapes the impression i got was that if you, as a suspect of such a crime felt the need to brag about it to anyone whatever the reason, you should do the time for just aspiring to be the cool guy that could get away with it.
In other words there's no way you can be even remotely proud of being a suspect of such a deed. If i were a suspect of murder i could not imagine bragging about it to someone that i had known for 6 months. Hell I would not even tell or brag to someone i knew my whole life.
I might sound a bit vague here but my point is if people like JVDS are putting out books, and people buy them we are creating a society that is based on the infamous 15min of fame and lose sight of the basic values of right and wrong.
My lawyer is smarter than yours  so i get away with it it. That's what this boils down to. It s not about justice it s a game. And to tell you the truth if that's what this world and the human race is about it sucks.

Sorry if some of you feel i dont make any sense but english is not my first language


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:37:52 PM
someone asked about peter de vries, if it is likeable he will be sued for making the confession tapes.

i can tell you that it is not very likely, peter has done this several times in other cases,
and he never got sued for it.

i have another question: if and when joran gets convicted for hiding natalees remains, is it possible that joran has to pay for the ongoing boatsearch?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 06:40:24 PM
Posted at RU by Glenda - no link of course:

Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.

J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not

Thank you Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 06:40:46 PM
you're welcome

i didn't watch tv today.

but i think Beth makes a good chance with Bram Moszkowicz.
also because he knows how to play the media.
and in this huge case that is important because everybody has an opinion about it.

But where can we see his PHOTO, lol!  Is he handsome like deVries?

Not being shallow or anything, just saying. . . .  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:42:17 PM
JE convictions are all about evidence. since there is no body and no evidence (yet), lawyers try other sources.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:42:52 PM
someone asked about peter de vries, if it is likeable he will be sued for making the confession tapes.

i can tell you that it is not very likely, peter has done this several times in other cases,
and he never got sued for it.

i have another question: if and when joran gets convicted for hiding natalees remains, is it possible that joran has to pay for the ongoing boatsearch?

You have to have LOVE to pay for that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 06:44:56 PM
Dutchie Posters,

Do not worry about your English!  This is a huge country with much variation even among us posters here.

We will figure it out or ask!

Thanks for all you are doing to help us.  We may not sound like it at times but you DO help us to understand much better.  At least it helps ME.

Also, I am Dutch American as are others here.  So you are not totally in hostile territory, lol.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 06:45:58 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!


http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 06:47:05 PM
someone asked about peter de vries, if it is likeable he will be sued for making the confession tapes.

i can tell you that it is not very likely, peter has done this several times in other cases,
and he never got sued for it.

i have another question: if and when joran gets convicted for hiding natalees remains, is it possible that joran has to pay for the ongoing boatsearch?

Only with his hide, hahaha!

Just teasing!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Note hide in this context would mean skin.

.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:48:24 PM
ok how do i post a picture? bram has his own fanclub anna LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:48:41 PM
Dutchie Posters,

Do not worry about your English!  This is a huge country with much variation even among us posters here.

We will figure it out or ask!

Thanks for all you are doing to help us.  We may not sound like it at times but you DO help us to understand much better.  At least it helps ME.

Also, I am Dutch American as are others here.  So you are not totally in hostile territory, lol.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Thats right!

But if you want to learn the Kings (Thats Elvis!) English, just let me know!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 06:50:24 PM
ok how do i post a picture? bram has his own fanclub anna LOL

It's HTML with a link to the picture.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 15, 2008, 06:50:41 PM
you're welcome

Do you have a picture of this lawyer you can show us?  Thanks for all you do. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 06:53:43 PM
I do


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 06:53:54 PM
Dutchie Posters,

Do not worry about your English!  This is a huge country with much variation even among us posters here.

We will figure it out or ask!

Thanks for all you are doing to help us.  We may not sound like it at times but you DO help us to understand much better.  At least it helps ME.

Also, I am Dutch American as are others here.  So you are not totally in hostile territory, lol.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Thankyou from me too..It is so good to have you all with us!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2008, 06:54:08 PM
Can Beth file suit again here in the U.S. with this tape and maybe the fact that the van der sloots certainly are paying for air time on u.s. networks?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:54:29 PM
only with his hide


LOL Anna you are funny hahahahahaha
here is a link to pictrures of bram
http://www.fanzie.nl/advocaten/bram-moszkowicz


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 06:54:32 PM
ok how do i post a picture? bram has his own fanclub anna LOL

If you have a url to the photo, post the url...then highlight it...then click on this (http://scaredmonkeys.net/Themes/default/images/bbc/img.gif) above the monkey emoticons.

It the photo is on your PC, click on additional options in your "reply" screen (bottom left) and you can upload from your PC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 06:54:57 PM
http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&q=Abraham+Moskowicz+&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

others


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 06:55:10 PM
so now all parties all talking about who s gonna sue who for what. Before the truth has even surfaced. Maybe we should all take a moment and evaluate this whole affair.
In my opinion it should be about justice. Are we al losing sight of what this is all about? A young girl with her whole life ahead of her went missing and i my opinion it happened at the hands of this JVDS person. I cant prove it and  maybe i m right and maybe i m wrong. But that is not the point. The point is that we apparently live in a society where money, connections, and swinging public opinion your way equals justice.
From looking at the de Vries tapes the impression i got was that if you, as a suspect of such a crime felt the need to brag about it to anyone whatever the reason, you should do the time for just aspiring to be the cool guy that could get away with it.
In other words there's no way you can be even remotely proud of being a suspect of such a deed. If i were a suspect of murder i could not imagine bragging about it to someone that i had known for 6 months. Hell I would not even tell or brag to someone i knew my whole life.
I might sound a bit vague here but my point is if people like JVDS are putting out books, and people buy them we are creating a society that is based on the infamous 15min of fame and lose sight of the basic values of right and wrong.
My lawyer is smarter than yours  so i get away with it it. That's what this boils down to. It s not about justice it s a game. And to tell you the truth if that's what this world and the human race is about it sucks.

Sorry if some of you feel i dont make any sense but english is not my first language

i see exactly what you mean.
but then, if they didn't screw up in Aruba in the first place it wouldn't have come to this.
for Beth i can say: as long as there's no justice she can sue jvds ass off - if that's a correct expression.
i am sure Bram Mosko will seek media attention a lot in all kind of tv programs (rtl boulevard).
so constantly the public will think what you just wrote. why doesn't get this Aruban scandal get sorted out finally?

so i think if the Dutch gov don't want this to drag on and on and get international media attention every time and time again. because you also know how Bram Mosko will make some statement to get in the media.

if the Dutch gov doesn't want that and get on with normal business then they should start a parlamentairy inquiry into Aruba to have good look want went wrong over there.

i know it is, sad. those disgusting jvds-tapes played endlessly on tv especially american news media made me sick too.
but it all comes back to what happened there on Aruba in 2005.
if we the Dutch don't want this we should ask our parlaiment to have good look into it.

and nobody should buy jvds book of course. it's all lies anyway - so who cares.
i rather read something else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 06:55:35 PM
only with his hide


LOL Anna you are funny hahahahahaha
here is a link to pictrures of bram
http://www.fanzie.nl/advocaten/bram-moszkowicz

(http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/CCI/20-02-07%231%23DS%23%232002p03_Bram_Moszkowicz.tif%231.jpg)

(http://www.elsevier.nl/artimg/200704/moszkowicz1_200.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:55:59 PM
pictrures....  ::MonkeyEek:: i am inventing new words by the dozen


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 06:56:13 PM
One last thought then leaving for most of the evening. . .

I have always felt something went terribly amiss when the members of ALE came to Alabama to question the MB students.  They came to find the "answers" that all "lie in Mountain Brook" but then went back without even questioning all the students on their list.

Yes, the spin was some students refused to talk to them but that was not the case.  The ALE members simply stopped their big expose and packed up and went back to Aruba.

I have always thought, and this is just my opinion based on Joran's slave comments, plantation talk, etc. that those members of ALE were vastly disappointed with what they found.  Nothing like  what they were expecting as Joran seemed to be stuck in some Hollywood stereotype of a Gone With the Wind world.

At the time we had a black female Chief of Police.  Something tells me based on the racism I have seen in Aruba that this was the last thing they expected as was the life style in MB and B'ham in general.

It wasn't going to be nearly as easy to find the blame "lies in Mountain Brook" as it sounded when they were in Aruba.
Would have loved to have seen their faces when they met Madam Chief of Police for a city with several times their entire island population and found her not only black but female to boot!

That's why I think they cut short the interviews and went home.  Was not going to be easy to jerk around people on their own turf as planned.

Just my take on why that little attempt at placing blame elsewhere fizzled.

.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 06:57:09 PM
thank you klaasend and nut44


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 06:57:56 PM
only with his hide


LOL Anna you are funny hahahahahaha
here is a link to pictrures of bram
http://www.fanzie.nl/advocaten/bram-moszkowicz

(http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/CCI/20-02-07%231%23DS%23%232002p03_Bram_Moszkowicz.tif%231.jpg)

(http://www.elsevier.nl/artimg/200704/moszkowicz1_200.jpg)


Well, fine looking man but he's no Peter R deVires!

. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 06:58:13 PM
Klaas --  

Do you have link to JQK's NY filing -- when jvds was slapped with papers by Bo Dietl?

I think that's the one referred to.

Thanks!


Thanks for that.

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on February 15, 2008, 06:58:25 PM
only with his hide


LOL Anna you are funny hahahahahaha
here is a link to pictrures of bram
http://www.fanzie.nl/advocaten/bram-moszkowicz

Beats any lawyer out of Aruba ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Anna on February 15, 2008, 07:01:29 PM
Also, I am sure ALL recall the shock when Beth and Jug Twitty were first told that all authority came from The Netherlands?

Who was it that told them that?  Maybe Dompig?  And they werer stunned and actually thought they had been dealing with the wrong ones all along???

So then they tried the Dutch and were told to go back to the Arubans???

There are exact quotes on that and some of us have them but not me and I have to go now but will check back in for news updates late.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: imnoangel on February 15, 2008, 07:02:59 PM
monkeys im going out. i wish you a very goodnight, see tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on February 15, 2008, 07:03:29 PM
Friday, Feb 15, 2008 - 04:59 PM

The Dutch college student suspected in Natalee Holloway's disappearance won't be rearrested.

An appeals court made that decision Thursday.

That's despite a secretly taped conversation of Joran van der Sloot explaining that he was with Natalee when she died.

For Natalee Holloway's parents, the Aruban appellate decision is another disappointment.

But as they explained to NBC13, there are still other options to getting justice for their daughter.

"I think what I do take comfort in, his life is a living hell," said Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway.

And while that brings Beth Holloway comfort, she told us earlier this week that what she fears is what Joran van der Sloot could do in the future.

"I think he is a time bomb and he will strike again," Beth Holloway said.  

But now another court said no to rearresting him, despite a secretly taped conversation where he admitted he was with Natalee when she died, then dumped her body.

Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, called this another disappointment — but he's not surprised.

"I've always said this: If justice is going to served, it's going to be when we find Natalee," Dave Holloway said.

Dave hopes “the persistence,” heading back out to Aruba next week, will do just that — find Natalee.

He says next week, the ship along with Texas Equusearch will take a look at the 100 non-ocean objects found on the ocean floor.

As for Beth, her hope is in the Aruban justice department, which she believes will eventually charge and try van der Sloot for Natalee's murder.

But at least now she knows what happened to her daughter.

"Even though the knowing is difficult, I do find peace and comfort in at least finally seeing the light. The light meaning can see the puzzle pieces in knowing what was happening to Natalee. Even though it's difficult as it is — parents especially — they just want to know what happened."

The Aruban appellate court said the secret videotape conflicted with other van der Sloot statements.

The prosecutor said some things on the tape can be verified, but investigators can't prove what happened on the beach.

The prosecutor said the case remains open.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2008-02-15-0020.html

I agree with Beth ... Joran is a ticking time bomb.  It is just a matter of time before he explodes and ... puts another family through the emotional H--- on Earth that Natalee's family has experience for almost three years.

The deafening silence in the official Prosecutor's statement regarding the cell phone ... that Joran claims was given to him by his father when he was in prison ... was was heard loud and clear by its omission.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 07:04:29 PM
so now all parties all talking about who s gonna sue who for what. Before the truth has even surfaced. Maybe we should all take a moment and evaluate this whole affair.
In my opinion it should be about justice. Are we al losing sight of what this is all about? A young girl with her whole life ahead of her went missing and i my opinion it happened at the hands of this JVDS person. I cant prove it and  maybe i m right and maybe i m wrong. But that is not the point. The point is that we apparently live in a society where money, connections, and swinging public opinion your way equals justice.
From looking at the de Vries tapes the impression i got was that if you, as a suspect of such a crime felt the need to brag about it to anyone whatever the reason, you should do the time for just aspiring to be the cool guy that could get away with it.
In other words there's no way you can be even remotely proud of being a suspect of such a deed. If i were a suspect of murder i could not imagine bragging about it to someone that i had known for 6 months. Hell I would not even tell or brag to someone i knew my whole life.
I might sound a bit vague here but my point is if people like JVDS are putting out books, and people buy them we are creating a society that is based on the infamous 15min of fame and lose sight of the basic values of right and wrong.
My lawyer is smarter than yours  so i get away with it it. That's what this boils down to. It s not about justice it s a game. And to tell you the truth if that's what this world and the human race is about it sucks.

Sorry if some of you feel i dont make any sense but english is not my first language

i see exactly what you mean.
but then, if they didn't screw up in Aruba in the first place it wouldn't have come to this.
for Beth i can say: as long as there's no justice she can sue jvds ass off - if that's a correct expression.
i am sure Bram Mosko will seek media attention a lot in all kind of tv programs (rtl boulevard).
so constantly the public will think what you just wrote. why doesn't get this Aruban scandal get sorted out finally?

so i think if the Dutch gov don't want this to drag on and on and get international media attention every time and time again. because you also know how Bram Mosko will make some statement to get in the media.

if the Dutch gov doesn't want that and get on with normal business then they should start a parlamentairy inquiry into Aruba to have good look want went wrong over there.

i know it is, sad. those disgusting jvds-tapes played endlessly on tv especially american news media made me sick too.
but it all comes back to what happened there on Aruba in 2005.
if we the Dutch don't want this we should ask our parlaiment to have good look into it.

and nobody should buy jvds book of course. it's all lies anyway - so who cares.
i rather read something else.

Thank you ceasu
i just wish they wouldn t make slime like JVDS look like a hero. Im sure he's guilty and if it turns out he's not i ll apologize to him before Peter R de Vries does. I just have a hard time understanding all these exuse they cook up


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
i also want add this:

it is not just about natalee imo.

it is to show the world that law enforcement systems cannot get away with denying a mother to know the truth about her daughter.

the world has to see the faces of the people who were responsible for this.

so no law enforcement system where-ever in the world will try to mess it up like they did again.

because not every one has the comminucational skills, strength like Beth.

so if a mother who doesn't know how to find the right words or to rally support looses a child she doesn't stand a chance against a law enforcement system.

that's why i think this has to go all to way to the truth no matter how many media attention, lawsuits and what else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on February 15, 2008, 07:07:42 PM
i also want add this:

it is not just about natalee imo.

it is to show the world that law enforcement systems cannot get away with denying a mother to know the truth about her daughter.

the world has to see the faces of the people who were responsible for this.

so no law enforcement system where-ever in the world will try to mess it up like they did again.

because not every one has the comminucational skills, strength like Beth.

so if a mother who doesn't know how to find the right words or to rally support looses a child she doesn't stand a chance against a law enforcement system.

that's why i think this has to go all to way to the truth no matter how many media attention, lawsuits and what else.

Damn right!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: oldfart on February 15, 2008, 07:09:21 PM
 :smt006  Monkeys

Just peeking in for a bit

I just wonder if Patrick / Peter have some other material that has not been brought forward yet?   Sorry but I just can not see recordings being made only in a damm car.
JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
I have read through the summons and complaint and had a question. Is it widely known that Joran was going to counseling for sexual assault?

It is claimed in the document that Paulus "knew that his minor child, Joran Van Der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assualts on young women."

And also:

13. Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey upon young female tourists, especially blondes.

14. Joran's proclivities were known, at a young age, to both his parents, Paulus van der Sloot and his wife, Anita.

15. As recently as May 2005, Joran was receiving psychological counseling for his problems.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: ShinkinMonk on February 15, 2008, 07:10:18 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::
Van of Poop not arrested?
OJ SpermSucker free?

What is this world coming to?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 07:10:38 PM
monkeys im going out. i wish you a very goodnight, see tomorrow.

Sweet Dreams to you...:)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 07:12:24 PM
Would you choose him:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/280381/0_61_320_kelly.jpg)

Or him:

(http://www.elsevier.nl/artimg/200704/moszkowicz1_200.jpg)

Or him  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PVDSattorney.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: SherryinWA on February 15, 2008, 07:13:18 PM
i also want add this:

it is not just about natalee imo.

it is to show the world that law enforcement systems cannot get away with denying a mother to know the truth about her daughter.

the world has to see the faces of the people who were responsible for this.

so no law enforcement system where-ever in the world will try to mess it up like they did again.

because not every one has the comminucational skills, strength like Beth.

so if a mother who doesn't know how to find the right words or to rally support looses a child she doesn't stand a chance against a law enforcement system.

that's why i think this has to go all to way to the truth no matter how many media attention, lawsuits and what else.

Damn right!

Double Damn right!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Tater on February 15, 2008, 07:15:22 PM
Would you choose him:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/280381/0_61_320_kelly.jpg)

Or him:

(http://www.elsevier.nl/artimg/200704/moszkowicz1_200.jpg)

Or him  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PVDSattorney.jpg)




I choose the Fox on top myself!!! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on February 15, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
thank you klaasend and nut44


You are welcome.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Frijole on February 15, 2008, 07:17:09 PM
I'll pick Bachelor No. 1 please.   ::MonkeyDance::

But if DeVries was amongst them - hands down he'd win.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Bladerunner on February 15, 2008, 07:18:19 PM
Its a no brainer who they should choose.



 ::MonkeyLaugh::













(http://i26.tinypic.com/ehzspv.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on February 15, 2008, 07:18:51 PM
i also want add this:

it is not just about natalee imo.

it is to show the world that law enforcement systems cannot get away with denying a mother to know the truth about her daughter.

the world has to see the faces of the people who were responsible for this.

so no law enforcement system where-ever in the world will try to mess it up like they did again.

because not every one has the comminucational skills, strength like Beth.

so if a mother who doesn't know how to find the right words or to rally support looses a child she doesn't stand a chance against a law enforcement system.

that's why i think this has to go all to way to the truth no matter how many media attention, lawsuits and what else.

well said, caesu, very well said.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on February 15, 2008, 07:19:06 PM
only with his hide


LOL Anna you are funny hahahahahaha
here is a link to pictrures of bram
http://www.fanzie.nl/advocaten/bram-moszkowicz

(http://spitsnet.nl/uploaded/CCI/20-02-07%231%23DS%23%232002p03_Bram_Moszkowicz.tif%231.jpg)

(http://www.elsevier.nl/artimg/200704/moszkowicz1_200.jpg)


Well, fine looking man but he's no Peter R deVires!

. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep...my vote goes to Peter, also... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: JE on February 15, 2008, 07:19:17 PM
The message these people are sending out to the world is: it's cool to be a liar, it's cool to be a murderer you get to be on TV, jesus there's even joran ringtones in the netherlands. Plz nail the sucker in the name of future sanity


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Blonde on February 15, 2008, 07:19:20 PM
Proces-verbaal findings

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”

To my question where the girl was buried, he answered: “I think that she was buried next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, the rest I would not know.”

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.


J. van der STRATEN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: cubbeegirl on February 15, 2008, 07:20:29 PM
Would you choose him:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/280381/0_61_320_kelly.jpg)

Or him:

(http://www.elsevier.nl/artimg/200704/moszkowicz1_200.jpg)

Or him  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/PVDSattorney.jpg)




I choose the Fox on top myself!!! ::MonkeyTongue::


ME TOO.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: Magnolia on February 15, 2008, 07:22:23 PM
I'll take #1.   
#2 Looks like Jay Leno. 
#3 Looks like a scum bag. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: klaasend on February 15, 2008, 07:25:44 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/1LOCKED.gif)

Please move to NCD# 732

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2612.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #731 2/14 -
Post by: caesu on February 15, 2008, 07:28:58 PM
Rudy Croes holds no sway over van der straaten, dompig or Janssen. I believe he is doing exactly that, he's told Paulus to take responsibility or leave the island.

The Dutch Aruba tension is flaring.

Mos is in charge, but he's an outsider. This is the tacit plea bargain. Either Paulus admits what he's done, or leave.

i do not know enough about the case. because it's just too much info.
so maybe this has already been covered.
but i've been reading a lot about Rudy Croes.

Quote
Instead the Amsterdam police corps ordered a twenty men strong arrest squad to Aruba. In the meantime Zwinkels prohibited the Aruban police force to hear possible witnesses in a large drug case, one of them former-minister of justice Rudy Croes. Zwinkels second in command Van Eck told Rasmijn and Zaandam: You must realise that this wittness is a ex-minister of justice and current state member. Your letters do not show that. Keep in mind that he could return as a minister of justice at a next government.

25-09-1996

http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire

these things tell me has a lot to hide from the past.