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Hi San!

Made it!

good morning

i continue to advise you to email these news media.
if it gets covered by one of those media there will be a response, and generate more media attention.

what happened the last days of may 2005 is one thing and impossible to uncover now with a corrupt justice department / OM still in place.

but the cover-up is still going on!!!!
the cover-up is a result of the corruption.
i think that might be peter r. de vries next angle to go at it in the next program.
he already showed in his first broadcasted how badly the investigation went.
second broadcasted he showed what a disgusting guy jvds really is.
third program might be corruption > cover-up.

also i advise to email dutch members of parliament:

Hero Brinkman:
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

called antilles/aruba corrupt gangster's nest and Jan van der Straten wanted to arrest him.

Willibrord van Beek:
http://www.willibrordvanbeek.nl/
w.vbeek@tweedekamer.nl

he is the leader of the parliamentary working trip which got aborted because of Hero Brinkman's comments.

i think dutch politics are very unstable at the moment.
if the governments falls, there is a caretaker government till the next election and formation of a new government.
but the caretake government in between is lame duck.
can't do a thing. can't pressure aruba.

balkenende did say the stupidiest thing when he was on aruba.

he said the case wasn't closed and the investigations is still going on. he said he was following the case and he felt some responsibility also because jvds is dutch.

this sounds maybe nice, but now a lot of dutch say he shouldn't have interfered. now he also should say something about all dutchies who are missing all over the world.

he should have said: i can't comment on this because it is still under investigation, but those car-tapes were disgusting.

or: the corruption on aruba has to stop < he did say that on another island st. maarten.

the only thing the dutch really can do is stop the financial aid and pull the dutchies out who are working there at the OM.

to recap: i advise to email those media en members of parliament

Verstuurd per e-mail: karin.janssens@brabant-noord.politie.nl en per fax 073-6991896

http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-09-24-b-klacht-politie.htm  ::MonkeyWink::

Preview, Preview, Preview.....you know we are working on putting together an outline to send to the various media outlets. Red is going to use the same, or similar outline to do posts on the front page of SM.

San was working on a sample template tonight...check this out.  Don't pay attention to the words, this was just a test to play around with the design   ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Monkey_Bullet2.jpg)

San is some kind of Houdini!

::MonkeyHaHa::

SAN is a powerpoint wiz.  The monkey bullet points and transparent background were my ideas but San figured out how to do it, LOL  ::MonkeyWink::

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- In an Internet chat shortly after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, one of the three main suspects in the case said the Alabama teenager was dead, the island's chief public prosecutor told CNN on Thursday.

 
Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba with classmates in 2005.

 1 of 2  The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, Hans Mos said.

New technology that was not available to authorities in 2005 was utilized to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects as well as others, he said.

Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects -- Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- behind bars. Mos' office said Tuesday they will not prosecute the three in Holloway's disappearance.

But his office also said the case is not closed, rather that it has now entered "a new phase" with four Aruba detectives still working on it, looking for new evidence.  Watch a report on the case »

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

Other chats occurring before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway's death or how she died. "If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now," Mos said.

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Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their rearrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.  See a timeline of how the case has developed »

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three youths. She failed to show up for her flight home the following day, and her packed bags were found in her hotel room.

All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.

In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba's Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.

All three have maintained their innocence in Holloway's disappearance. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That's why, he said, his office went to the expense of extraditing van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after rearresting him in November -- out of hopes that he might talk.

"You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up," he said.

Mos said that when the three youths were rearrested, he asked an attorney for Holloway's divorced parents, Beth and Dave Holloway, to tell them not to get their hopes up too high, as this was not "the final breakthrough" in the case.

And on December 1, Mos said, he and others in his office had "a very good talk" with the Holloways.

"Sometimes I got the impression that we aren't on the same side," he said. "That sort of disturbed me, and I think they should know that we are just as much dedicated to solving this case as they want us to be, and I cannot come up with the results. I wish I had. I feel very sorry."

He acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and rearresting them may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot.

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

"And that's exactly what we did. I'd rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened."

He said his office remains determined to find out the truth. "We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now."

Although Mos' decision not to prosecute the case means that under Aruban law, the three cannot legally be considered suspects, Mos said they remain persons of interest.

In interviews, he said, van der Sloot and his father have indicated they know more than previously said about what happened to Holloway, but are not willing to divulge it, giving authorities "reason to believe that their last and final story is simply not the complete story."

Authorities have found no indication that anyone else could have been involved in Holloway's disappearance -- but also have no evidence to show a crime was committed, or what crime that might have been, he said.

If Holloway's death was an accident, as some evidence suggests, Mos said he doesn't understand the need to cover it up -- or why someone didn't simply call 911 and report it the night it happened. "That's an indication there is more at hand than just an accident," he said, "but what it was, and who was involved, I don't have evidence."

Van der Sloot's American attorney, Joe Tacopina, has criticized Mos for suggesting his client was involved in Holloway's disappearance if he does not have evidence to back that up.


In response, Mos said that if van der Sloot were tried and acquitted, double jeopardy would attach and he never could be tried again. Just because he decided not to prosecute, he said, doesn't mean "there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest."

Tacopina has declared his client is innocent. "That's quite funny," Mos said, "because he wasn't there on the 30th of May. Neither was I. He should ask his client." E-mail to a friend

All About Natalee Holloway • Aruba

Welcome Sherry!  We're glad to have you!

 ::MonkeyDance::

It's looking good!  Thanks for all the hard work Klaas and San!

As 'persons of interest' do they have to tell the truth when questioned?

We need a Joran sighting  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Good ideas!  I like the way it looks.  What is the background without any writing on top of it? 

I said Houdini, because San disappeared, now you see her, now you don't!

Patrick is going to write a book and sell in the USA.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3321707/_Eigen_boek_Patrick_in_VS__.html
(http://www.telesport.nl/multimedia/archive/00158/patrickheidijaydenm_158509i.jpg)

Joran is either:

1.  Stuffed in Grannies closet with duct tape over his mouth and Grannie with a shotgun at the other side of the closet.

2.  Being fitted for a necktie.

San went to bed.  The background is Carlos n Charlies  ::MonkeyWink::

Beautiful family!

What a beautiful family!

Thanks!

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3321707/_Eigen_boek_Patrick_in_VS__.html

Private book Patrick in US
AMSTERDAM - The Almelose entrepreneur Patrick van der Eem (34) wants to conquer America with a book about his own experiences as undercover at Joran van der Sloot. He has signed a contract with a well-known American literary agent. The coming week will be the rights to his book in the United States are sold by auction.

That confirmed yesterday his Dutch representative, Peter Schouten. "There is great interest," he says. "The agent sees a potential kaskraker in his undercoveroperatie." In the United States drew the literary agent David Vigliano earlier for millions of books sold on the American market.

The entrepreneur in hydraulic hoses Van der Eem his book will reveal how he was invited by Peter R. De Vries as infiltrator was deployed at Van der Sloot. If pseudogangster as he led the confession about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Van der Eem off yesterday traveled to Aruba, where he does his story to an American writer who optekent his story. The first chapter in America will appear in a major American newspaper, The New York Post. The book will be released in the United States under the title Disposed (Weggewerkt), and is also about how his family undercoveroperatie witnessed. The appearance of a private book leaked to The Telegraph, when Van der Eem with his family in our country took photographs for the cover.

I like it :) Just my head spins thinking of everything. Like Joran missing one shoe then two.Looking for size 14 then they are 10.5. Dompig on American Tv saying Natalee killing herself but the next day telling Dutch Tv she was raped and murdered. The lies surrounding the search of the VDS house. Jan VDS,KJ,Dennis Jacobs,Wit...My head explodes thinking of everything..It's important the media picks up on all of that and especially the courts ruling on Paulus and what they said.

I'M not very organized so I am glad you guys are :)

Was cathing up with updates, the underlaying Shago Aruba Picture is starting to get a new framework...

Remember their are 46 to to go... Back to decoding...and peeling the layers.

On a another note: Can Schotland Yard Help...on bringing Justice....

Should start doing a court in absentia against all these people. no travel to the USA no more..embargo...and you will see that the whole community will spring into acction and probably start pointing fingers and snitch..

Remember the simplecity outweight the complexity...

Can not use the Interpol...their is a direct link in the ALE ....that link can be contaminated.

Nite all Monkey's, time for this pup to get some sleep. Keep up the excellent work!

That really says it all -- doesn't  it!

Looks great!  Although you may want to spell out what things like C&C and J2K mean for the idiots in the MSM.  If they haven't followed the case they won't get it.

Capslock - I have no idea what Scottland Yard can or cannot do.  My guess is they can't do any more than the FBI can do.

Forget the words in the template SAMPLE above, we were just playing around.  I just wanted to show you the design and that San figured out how to use the monkey pic for bullet points.

Nite Kiwi

Yes, wreck, the girl he saved could be his own.

Yes, a beautiful family!  Maybe some of the "nay-sayers" could understand why he would feel a responsibility to do what he did if they saw what he has at stake!  I'll definately buy his book, hope it's in English, lol!  But I think I'd probably buy it anyway!

I just wrote Karin Janssen..Judging by her communication with Natalee's Family I doubt I will ever hear back. I just wanted to know one question from her.  ::MonkeyWink::

Goodnight Everyone!

Please tell what it is....don't make me guess...I'm very tired and have knots in my neck from too many hours at this computer.....

   
Visit from Aruba
08 February 2006   
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Yesterday, Karin Janssen, Chief Public Justice in Aruba, and Gerald Dompig, head of the Aruban police, an evening with us visiting. Reason for their coming to Canada: the still unsolved disappearance of Natalie Holloway. Thus they have an extensive yesterday visited the Dutch Forensic Institute. This morning it was back to the Utrecht polite. Here is Charles them uitgeleide after a pleasant evening.
Karin and I know each other since high school. Charles and I have spent our honeymoon at her on Aruba. It was great fun to see Karin!

Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA
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DNA
 
Lawyer Rudi Oomen, the Attorney-General asked to launch an investigation into the withholding of evidence by the PPS. These DNA material that is exculpatory for his client. The material was in July decreased. On appeal the Court when certain that the taking of the material was not legitimate and that the material had to be destroyed, as well as any research results.

The OM confirmed in a letter that it had happened. At the session of the Court last week asked the court according to Oomen by this DNA material. Hoofdofficier Karin Janssen gave it that the results of the DNA test known to the PPS were known and that they were exculpatory for both Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

Oomen: "It is shocking to hear that there is apparently still at the research material has been committed, and even worse to hear that the exculpatory results never have been added to the dossier, while they are known to the PPS. Both the judge and the lawyers could not know this. "

Oomen makes the comparison with the Nienke case in the Netherlands, where exculpatory material was withheld. Oomen: "It goes to the roots of the rule of law if this kind of things happen. As a defense, you can rely on the PPS. "(Amigoe)

http://tinyurl.com/hd9cj

 ::MonkeyEek::  I think I know what your question is now! 

I have a few more to go with it.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

 :smt091


Hi Anna, I see you lurking
If you talk to Robots would you please tell him that I truly miss him.....and send my best wishes to him.

I'm off to bed so I won't get in trouble now.

Goodnight everyone!  for real this time....

Even before Joran's confession, there was a lot of evidence of Paulus' involvement in Natalee's disappearance. Those pieces take on even more significance in light of it. Below is a sampling of the pieces that point toward Joran's Father being the "Daury" that Joran named. There is more; much more.



Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteran - June 29/05 JOHN:....... “He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

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Aruba, by Dave Holloway: pg. 118-119

"Sometime in early July 2005, Robin and I (Dave) saw Deputy Police Comissioner Gerold Dompig's son and another young man who appeared to have similar descriptive features of Steve Croes, the Tattoo party boat disc jockey who had been arrested and released, trying to pick up a girl in the Holiday Inn lobby hallway and get her to go to Carlos and Charlie's. The girl was offering resistance and trying to distance herself from these two. As the guys were walking by, young Dompig noticed me and immediately discontinued his activity. The other kid realized he was getting nowhere with the girl and started in on another set of women. I walked up to Dompig, and he seemed a little embarrassed that we had witnessed his actions. He then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat  on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He referred to a friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.

Aruba by Dave Holloway (Pg.181)

In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case.  Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig.  The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused bring him in again.  A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.

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Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
“Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.” (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/

Beth and Jug Twitty maintain that on the morning of May 31, 2005 Paulus Van der Sloot stated that he picked up Joran at McDonald's parking lot at 4:00 AM on May 30, 2005 - mere hours after Natalee Holloway had gone missing. Beth recorded this time in her journal. However, by June 16/17, 2005 Paulus had changed the pickup time  to 11:00 PM on May 29, 2005.

The Aruban Attorney representing Natalee's family stated in a letter to the prosector that Jug asserts Claudio Eldrige is aware of the time that Paulus stated and she inquires as to whether or not Claudio has been interrogated.

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Electronic record timeline for May 30
7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs".  Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

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PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT WAS ALLOWED TO CHANGE HIS SON'S STATEMENT TO POLICE

Paulus Van Der Sloot was allowed to be present when the Aruban police took Joran's first witness statement and was allowed to edit Joran's statement before it was entered into the public record. That statement is still missing.

Furthermore it was his close friend and Lead Investigator Jan van der Straten who was present for the statement and allowed Paulus Van Der Sloot to edit his son's statement.


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And in this segment Deepak seems to indicate Paulus Van der Sloot is involved in the crime.

D to J: You don’t give a shit about your the members of your won family
J to D: The only thing that I can think of is my family I do what my family tells me to do
J to D: Right, +++++
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn’t declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father

Believe it or not I just got back up because I couldn't sleep and saw your post.

Hi Bearlyhere how are you.

Look's like some type of OM newsletter in Holland. Check out the masks  ::MonkeyEek::
Maybe one of our Dutch posters can tell us about that? I didnt see Carnaval in the writing. TIA
Opportuun 2007 nr3 binnen 11.indd

Translation:from Madmaster
On February 15 the Arnhem department received an unexpected visit from 2 animals. They came with a lot of enthousiasm to warm up and to invite the employees for the kick off at March 9. During this party of the departments Arnhem and Zutphen the kick off wil be given for the new organisation. On the picture: The animals with Remco van Tooren and Albert van der Kerk.

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Hi San!  I am just looking around trying to separate the wheat from the mold.  It's hard to separate.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #732 2/15 -
« Reply #938 on: February 17, 2008, 08:39:11 PM »
   
Ok.I'm from NL and got a lot of info on a dutch board by the honorable:' *******'
I will introduce myself:I'm in my 30's happy life, just a normal guy as I can speak for myself,  I'm having ,although a lot of stress, having for my history a great life and I'm now congratulated with a sabatical for ??? monts, New York is fast but selling a company in 3 monts is a headache too.So I have some time off. After watching the feb 3 2008 SBS Peter R de Vries report I was just stumbled upon the fact that they didn't get Joran or any body else. It was enough for me to get in touch with people at fok, fox and so on, I normally never write something on boards but this was just it.. I guess..
So now here I am, I won't give any opinions about a thing in this case I guess, but I' open for everything about translating and proven facts to get this case solved...

Ok now some news, maybe old maybe new..I watched on youtube again Peter's first show and I was very surprised: a slip of the tongue whitch got Paulus in trouble...and his lawyer MR Carlo as the tipper of the case, he wants to talk about Joran his talkings with Mrs. karen Janssen..he talks with her..and she puts the meeting in writing and then he denies he ever said something...
I watched all 3 of his Nathalee case no 1, and stil didn't get it, but in a interrogation with  Jacobs and Joran all of a sudden Joran is not playing his role as a normal suspect, and is not allowed to talk in arubian Papiamento but in dutch because mrs croes-fernandez  is listening too and some dutch klpd  he is shouting and screaming all at once, and this is a transcript from youtube translated...

Joran is screaming 'You don't know a thing.I know what you guys are thinking.You think I had sex with Natalee, and then I called my dad, that my dad came over and we both got rid of the body'


whoops 1...

Thank you for this translation.  This is indeed significant.  I hope we have not lost you as a contributor.

BEARLY HERE  Melody when asked if Joran liked rough sex, replied, "Once in a blue moon."  The OP asked if there were 2 full moons in May which would explain his behavior.  No response but he went back and looked at the almanac and there was no "blue moon" in May 2005.

Sorry to be so late responding to both items but tornado in our immediate vicinity and loss of power got in the way of other matters. 

Is everyone on holiday?

EEEEKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!! There are those scary masks again  ::MonkeyShocked::  EEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

those masks are because of carnaval.
Karin Janssen is from Brabant, a province where carnaval is very popular.
carnaval is each year around february.
it also says "just before carnaval, it wasn't difficult to think of a theme".

In all fairness to Caseu, we have heard reports of and seen photographs of some of the "elders" and "the cubs of the elders" wearing these masks when they drugged and raped or otherwise were molesting these young women.  That is the reason for 4 x 4 mentioning "scary." 

In fact, we had a report by one young woman who believed Natalee to be a girl who was being raped by an elder in a mask.  Not sure what the integrity of that report was, but we have seen photographs and heard of the reasons for the "mystic masks" aside from Carnival. 

Carnival, similar to our Mardi Gras, where masks are worn for "wardrobing necessity" but there might be others, as we have even seen in movies, who use the masks as disguise while they commit horrendous crimes.

TY Tyler ... ::MonkeyCool::

Tyler, this was the first thing I thought of when I saw those masks.

Wasn't someone wearing a mask when Joran was watching the video in the car.  I remember we discussed that a long time ago.

It looks terrific!

Yes...what an absolutely gorgeous family!!  I hope Patrick does well with his book - he is a fine person.

I recall that someone who we suspected as Freddy based on some other parameters we have available at the time was wearing the mask in the back seat of a car Deepak was driving while Joran was operating the video and there was a "mirror effect" (maybe monitor) on the visors for front seat passengers.

To me this picture speaks volumes of Patrick's character....His love and pride for his family shines through in this pic.. I really do not care about his past .... "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"  JMO

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It seems to me that the Kalpoe brother's were not present when Natalie died.  I think that explains why none of the three ratted the other out.  I think that the Kalpoe's were involved in some type of incriminating behavior (i.e. date rape drug) but that they didn't know what happened to Natalee.  Any thoughts?

Just waking up here but I agree about the K2's.  I think the only reason they agreed to go along with the lie was because they knew Natalee was given a drug and Joran threatened them.  I believe also that they JK2 have drugged girls together before Natalee.

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And that, IMO, is some very heavy circumstantial evidence implicating PvdS. 

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Klaas and Monkeys,

Should we have 2 or 3 tiers of facts of the case, based upon level of credibility of the facts, or whether it is evidence in the case file, known to Beth etc, accepted by, known first hand, second hand, or some ranking. I noticed someone had prepared an "organizational chart" of the parties that accomplished the coverup, which was nice. I wonder if we should prepare an organizational chart of the Aruban government showing powers of that "agency" and then "superimpose that chart" over the organizational chart of individuals to see what agency had the power to affect an act of the cover up and then try to narrow it down as to which employee acted on behalf of Joran. What did you think about the Criminal Law Summary contained in the Human Rights Document at the University of Minnesota. The documents is about Human Rights and Torture, but in the course of enforcing that treaty is seemed to give an English Version of a fairly specific summation of Aruban Law. If we felt that is indeed credible, then we would have the ability to compare the OM's explanation of why such and such was done applicable to the Aruban law, which we were always told we didn't understand.

Then begin at the first of the case, and try and establish at what point something was needed to be done to affect the coverup, and then pin point which agency had the authority to accomplish it, and then look to see who most likely accomplished it. While there are many in Aruba who know of specific acts which were unusual, there are few decision makers who were actually a part of the coverup. The Dutch don't staff the individual policemans, but they do police management, they don't staff the entire proscecutors office, but top people they do, and so on.

I got the impression Dompig was confused at what was going on at times. He was jsut doing his job when he reported the 06/10/2005 confession, but once it hit the news, I think the dutch jumped Rudy and Rudy brought Dompig under control, only I am not sure he was told everything. Rudy seemed to sweep all accidental leaks under the rug when their was a mistake made in the cover up, no matter how obvious the act was, and he didn't seem particularly happy about it. There is a huge disconect between the courts, police, and prosecutor vs the Aruban government and the OMs.

If you follow this you are brilliant, because I am not sure what I have written,:) But I think this might be too large to pull together. I was going to add should we also create an organizational chart so to speak of social relationships to establish the social fabric of the island, or should it be treated like an additional agency of the Aruban government to account for types like Renhoe?

Anyone see the movie Eyes Wide Shut?   Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman 1999.  Masks, secrecy for high rollers in a private club.  Lots of sex all over the place.  Keep kids at grandma's if you rent it.  Steve Isaacs sings in the soundtrack, "They did a bad bad thing......they did a bad bad thing"

Tylergal,
 
I remember in the very beginning of all of this that it may have been your DH who contacted Dan Rhiel before we even knew the name of "the girl" who was missing.  I believe that is how Dan came to be aware of the situation so early when it was just a local news item.
 
We have been standing by the girl since then and I will continue to do so but it is for Beth that I hang in here now.  Natalee is beyond any Earthly needs now but I would do anything within my power to sustain and support Beth because I am a mother, too.
 
We have chased Grindle codes, run the Red Queen's race, chased after sex slavers and the Russian Mafia.  We have had our lives threatened, our computers' hacked, been sent more porn than Hugh Hefner, lambasted and banned, giving new meaning to the old cliché "been thrown out of better places than this"!
 
We have waded through chat rooms in foreign languages we could barely grasp, looked at more MySpace pages than the average college freshman, gone through real life weddings, funerals, births and deaths, sickness and health, but always managed to find time to make a post or two if only to be counted among those supporting. 
 
We've strained our eyes looking for pictures within pictures and hidden meanings and messages, been accused of being related to people in this investigation and having some hidden agenda.  As the shadows grow longer in the East for me, I am less inclined to explain myself and my skin grows ever thicker but one thing I do know for sure.  And I am sure I speak for many when I say this but I am very happy to have had you as a friend along for this wild journey on which we have all been for so long now.  I am always deeply flattered when people often confuse us despite the fact we live hundreds of miles apart.
 
I don't think we have learned much more for all those efforts than we knew almost immediately but we have uncovered every rock and nook and cranny that has been presented.  I am proud to have you as my friend as that friendship has been one of the bright spots in this sad and tragic episode.  And while I certainly stand with The Girl, it is for the mother that I remain after all this time.  My own children have traveled too close to this circle of events to turn away but even if they hadn't, I think any one with a heart could feel for Beth.
 
Anyone, that is, except for those conducting this bogus investigation and with the power to set things right.  And I do believe that is what will be their ultimate undoing.  No, we can't force them to do the right thing but the whole world is watching and wondering just what kind of people are these that would do this.  Liars lie, thieves steal so what do their actions say about them? 
 
Thank you, Tylergal, for being you and being my friend.  You have made this all bearable in so many ways and been a constant source of encouragement and comfort to us all.  And I am so glad you did not get blown away yesterday in the storms but that was much too close for comfort.
 
My rant for the day. . .

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Does Paulus have large freckles or liver spots on his back as was asked when the young girl who supposedly saw the video mentioned?

Yes, masks have come to hold sinister meaning for many of us now.

Sure don't feel the same way about them that I used to before this happened.

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Anna, very nice post above.. truly stellar..

As for Paulus, to me he is always identified by his sasquatch like arms. They are plainly visible in the casino video and all other videos when he is not hiding them under a long sleeved shirt in the blazing Aruban sun.

You don't need hairlines, glasses, profiles in colors inverted when the hairiest arms on Aruba are plainly visible.

Between Sasquatch and Frankenstein, there's not much missing.

But Rudy Croes and Nelson Oduber are very anti-Dutch and also recall that when Natalee disappeared, the ALE was in the process of some sort of wage negotiation and had even threatened to walk off the job, I believe was about overtime pay or something like that.

Their "system" was already in shambles before this happened with Natalee and her family having this misfortune happen at a time when all this infighting and demand for aparte status and even disgruntled police officers was brewing.

Sort of like a perfect storm of incompetence already in the works.

I have always thought these things contributed to making the cover up easier for those wishing to make that happen, total lack of unity and communication. 

'Way past time to have fixed all that, too.

MOO

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Should I be offended?   ::MonkeyWaa::  Actually, that's what I had in mind when I put together the "off the top of my head" list on the FP.  Get the main facts and players together in a format that's easy to follow. 

Thx, Anna. I posted that hoping to get opinions on whether the info cited is appropriate for what we'd like to accomplish with getting interesting facts to MSM. The nexus to a cover-up is through Paulus, and so I started there, to bolster that link. It seems to me that since Joran's Confession has had such an impact, and there is already speculation that Paulus is "Daury", that first we should help them along with that, then take that flow to answer why and how this case has stalled under a cover-up. Paulus is that link.

What I've included is pretty basic, but it is easily verified through common guests to shows that have covered the story, and contains the sources to direct who to contact, and it fits with Joran's confession. I'm working on a "cover-up" synopsis in a similar way, but would love some input and critique from you guys. I'm not sensitive or anything so don't worry about it if you feel it just misses the mark. I just want us to be effective in this endeavor!

Lilpuma - your outline is great!  I was just saying that the SAMPLE was just that, a sample to show the design.  For media and others, things like JK2 maybe need to be spelled out.  It's clear to us but may not be clear to others.

FWIW - I posted your outline in the forum and have said this is the type of thing we need to send.  Simple outline to the point.

CBB,

My only concern is making it short enough that people in the media will actually read it!  We could fill reams and volumes but I fear they will zone out if presented with too much.

Also the only other thing I can think of is that I think it is important to stay away from third-party statements and hearsay as much as possible as I don't believe reputable journalists and those we want to read it would find that credible.  Like the rules for taping conversation, at least one involved party for use as a source.

But basically that is my only concern, how to address the Short Attention Span factor.  Don't have a clue how to do that, either, but am thinking. 

How to squeeze 5,000 words into 300.

Don't guess "Joran did it; Paulus helped!" would work, either.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is what I see as the greatest challenge but with everyone working on it, I know we will figure it out.

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I think that was an excellent post on so many levels.

 I woke up thinking along the same veins, wondering how to reconcile Joran's taped infomercial with the fact that Natalee left with Joran and the 2 brothers, the three of them have lied as one much of the time, and just lied the rest of the time, and when Beth got there the three of them and PVS were all busy as bees and had already concocted a false alibi before Natalee even was missing for sure? That has to be theoriginal core group of guilt.

One by one people were involved by knowledge, and then incremently by participation. The coverup evolved from the guilty, those who were with the guilty, PVDS, and then his friends on a need to help involvement. Then we have the Arubans who were involved by blackmail, and the Arubans who slowly became aware all was not right by the actions of their bosses, such as fabric with blood becoming chocolate, the interuption of the interrogations, the arrest of the 2 security guards, the failure to place the originals under surveilance those 10 days, etc.

And I agree even though my post got side tracked. We need to list only the most obvious instances with the highest degree of credibility. Probably 10 events?

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #732 2/15 -
« Reply #979 on: Today at 03:55:52 AM »

Verstuurd per e-mail:
karin.janssens@brabant-noord.politie.nl en per fax 073-6991896

We should email KJ and ask her why Judge Wit said she never asked to search more than Jorans Apt. I see this Dutch Poster has been sending her and others complaints about another matter in holland.

http://www.hetechtenieuws.org/2007-09-24-b-klacht-politie.htm

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Good Morning.

I brought the above over from the previous thread.  Thank you *******.

I am not planning on emailing Karin Janssen ... out of my comfort zone.  I would freak out if I received a response.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

However ... I would appreciate if somebody could post or ... link me to the article on Bob Witt ... the article where he attempts to justify his actions on the day of the search.

I really do have to organize my desktop files ... it is getting harder and harder to locate my Natalee Holloway quotes/links/articles.  My daughter-in-law promised to do it as a Christmas present ... never happened.
 
Thank you.

Janet
8:10 AM

Why not get Beth to review the final product draft to give us her opinion on whether or not something is credible? Of course, she has no better sources than we do on many things, but she could clear up what she does know.

We could send the media a PP presentation, short and to the point with "hotlinks" to SM forum pages that reference the detail if they choose to read.

Quite the opposite, I think you should stand up and accept your applause. The highest compliment for someone to pay an idea is for everyone to jump up and start working on it, and you obviously had a "light bulb" thought. Good work

Great research cbb.

Thank you so much for all your hard work.

Janet

I wasn't offended.  I was reading the last thread last night and know you want to put something together with more detail and info, which I think is a great idea.  That was why I popped in this morning.  BTW, I did not send this to O'Reilly.  I threw in that comment because he was being discussed on the FP in response to Red's articles. 

It would have to start with the fact that the guilty were all together in sub groups granted, and remember Joran and Depaak didn't hang out all that much I think I heard, when Beth got there the same day with a false alibi already concocted, before they should have known anything major was wrong. A girl, a one night stand, missing an air flight, on an island where young teenage girls, according to the Arubans, decide to stay over one day extra all the time? Why in the world would they feel that a false alibi would be needed for such a common occurrence, especially with one being a trained attorney?

Concerning the outline, how about breaking it down into different time frames--you know how the networks run a teaser?  Do the same thing back at them.  Feed enough information to them (like the first 24 hours, then the 1st ten days, then the remainder of the story).  This way if they are interested more information can be forthcoming to them. It has to be believable and the only way to do that is NOT leave out any facts which will require a lot of space and time to tell the story.

I agree with the points made in regard to "short attention spans" in media! I'm trying to figure out how statements made without the sources and some content will not be "put aside" as well. I'm not sure that anything that is just a statement would be accepted as credible. If we present something that requires verification and research, I'm not sure anyone will take the trouble, especially coming from basically a "fan mail" avenue. "take my word for it" is problematic as well.

Thanks for the comments, guys!  ::MonkeyWink::
We'll get it right with a dialogue, I'm sure!

Thank you.  I've seen so much info gathered and put together on this site.  So if anyone can pull together a "timeline" of the coverup, the Monkeys can. 

Anna, I love your screeds.  ;)

This is especially true.  It has been a long journey and sometimes I thought my mind could comprehend no more.  Had you not been along for the journey and especially late at night, I probably would have thrown in the towel.....sometimes, we just need a partner in crime or criminal research. :)

Yes, I mentioned that here and also the book, Beach House. 

I believe in the KISS theory for the media.  If there is anything we have learned from Greta is that she does not grasp minutia and she sticks to the latest thing she heard but if she had "bullet points," perhaps she could grasp that.

I've gotta run, but I do have the quote and link from Van der Straaten about knowing more than you do.  I don't think the link works anymore because it's from before they closed their website for remodeling.  But maybe it will help........ 


 
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005
 
Van der Straten doesn't believe Natalee is alive (Friday): While Chief prosecutor Karin Janssen stated this week that they don’t have any indication that Natalee Holloway is dead, during an interview this week Police Superintendent Jan van der Straten told the reporter that he doesn’t believe that Natalee is still alive.  Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s  status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:

Rep: Hebt u nog hoop op een goede afloop?
Jan: Hoop moet je altijd hebben, maar ik geloof niet meer dat we Natalee levend zullen terugvinden.
Rep: Waarom niet?
Jan: Omdat ik het onderzoek ken en u niet.

HBK-Translation:

Rep: Any hopes for  a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !

The story was published by  a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)

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UPDATE 34 : This is Steve Croes as he was leaving court on Sunday. Croes will be released on Monday. Tomorrow he will be e free man and this would be enough for anyone to be very happy and our guess is that this is why he is laughing in the picture. The policeman seems to be happy too and this is maybe because now there are no Aruban suspects in custody so no one will be able to blame Arubans personally for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Dutchman Paul van der Sloot will also be released while his son, Joran van der Sloot, and the Surninamese brothers Kalpoe (Satish and Deepak) will remain in custody.
 
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Article in De Telegraaf (Sunday) In a recent full-page article in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in The Netherlands), they dedicated attention to the Natelee Holloway’s disappearance and the suspected involvement of the Dutch judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot and his son Joran. The article covered mostly all the events since the disappearance of Natalee but there were also a few statements that were not (broadly/publicly) reported before.

What happened to Natalee?
According to the article, the detectives believe strongly that Natalee was taken to the light house located at the Northern part of Aruba by the 3 young suspects.  Once they were there it is believed that these suspects tried to engage in sexual activity with the Natalee, but she most likely refused and tried to fight them off. She was consequently murdered (during the struggle) and her body was then dumped somewhere on the island or in the sea.

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I was just browsing through the RTL.NL site and found a set of 20 photos in the case.  Some from early in the case I hadn't seen.  Also this photo of the pay phone Joran alegedly used:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/MarriottTelephone.jpg)

RTL.NL photo set

http://tinyurl.com/yqbctc

Interesting that you should mention that. Way back in July of 2007 when I happened to be scouting out our site meter, I came across this person on our site>>
Domain Name   chello.nl ? (Netherlands)
IP Address   212.83.83.# (Chello Heerenveen)
ISP   Chello
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State/Region  :  Friesland
City  :  Drachten
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nl
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Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 4.0)
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Monitor   Resolution  :  1280 x 800
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Time of Visit   Jul 6 2007 6:00:12 am
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Out Click   http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm
http://www.konformis...cks/eyeswideshut.htm
Time Zone   UTC+1:00
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So then I clicked the link http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm to see where they went from here. I have not see the movie, but I sure did find it interesting what was written at this site.
Then, many different times after this I also saw the same person scouring SM and then out clicking to this same link.
Just thought I cwould convey what I remembered and had saved regarding that from way back then.

I would still love to arrange for an independant investigative body (use the US and Holland) to view, not touch the evidence from this case. It will show whether it exists, matched against what evidence is known to have been collected.

Why is the media so afraid to discuss Aruba's corruption. The story will run itself without much opinion/speculation interjected by the commentator.

Paulus may not want to go on camera for interview with American media. Would VanderStraaten accept an invitation by Greta or BO'R? He is supposed to be neutral as he is a sworn officer of the court. Or Jacobs? Or a filmed one-on-one between the aforementioned and the Holloway/Twitty family? Why would they possible refuse the invitation if everything was on "the up and up" and the investigation just fell short, in terms of physical evidence, in creating a prosecutable case against JVDS??

Thank you LilPuma

Until your post ... I never knew the source of Jan van der Straten's words.

Janet

Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2587.840

I find it hard to believe the K2 could score without some kinda help.....

Thanks Tyler, now I know why I remembered it the way I did.

Thank you Pita.

Janet

Well, you never know.  Desperate times call for desperate women.  :)

The most recent photos of Deepak and Satish after they were released as suspects got alot of attention from some of the members of RU.  A few of the RU posters were actually "swooning" over Deepak.  No accounting for taste I guess  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyRoll::

You forget to mention, they read in braille.

While wearing gloves!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good morning all ya'll!

They know how to READ!!!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

This is for you, Klaasen.  It says exactly what you said but keeps you under the radar.

 De gustibus non est disputandum

Klaas, I was thinking along the same lines.

At each point write something like:

 ::MonkeyCool::  While being taped in the back of the police van Deepak Kalpoe said, "your own father"*

Have the your own father highlighted where you can click on it, and the click sends you to the whole document where the statement came from.  Have it (your own father) highlighted on the statement for easier access to the quote. 

This way it will be nice and neat on the list page and each point will be documented by the whole statement and no one will have to go searching through the whole statement to find what they are looking for.

Exactly  ::MonkeyWink::  It will take some time to do it right but will work out better IMO.

Took me a while to figure out it was Latin  ::MonkeyHaHa::

While my kids were young, but old enough to understand, or before they started taking foreign language and learned more than we, I would take them shopping and bring their purchases home of their choosing, and he we would look at me and say that.  The kids had no idea until they were about 6th grade and figured out it might not be good.  Thereafter, they were taking foreign language and if they came home with a purchase they knew I would disapprove of, they would say before you see it, Mom, remember....de gustibus non est disputandum."

Well, I really screwed that up but I think you understand what I was saying.  DH wanted me to make him a snack.  He is helping out with the tornado thing today, and was in a hurry to run to someplace else and was pushing me to make him a sandwich.  :)

Editing my post above to be consistent (changing statement to document).

One other thing I would suggest is adding a date to the statement on (I'll call it the cover page).  Like this:

Cover page
 ::MonkeyCool:: Source, situation, date, statement (with key words   highlighted and clickable),*

Goes to:

Document:
Key words   highlighted (you may also want this clickable so that it goes back to the cover page for the reader to be able to continue where they left off.)

I'd try to get it on one page but that's just me.......

I know what a job it is for MsMarple to do those summaries for the Murder & Crime thread and so am reluctant to suggest too much for someone else to do.

However. . . .I think the idea with the clickable links sounds great but I will support anything anyone is willing to do out of gratitude for their work.

I was also thinking of a print out sheet, only one page for short attention span, with highlights.

That should be easy to make via copy and paste from the original PPP as suggested above.

I am thinking of something to mail maybe to newspapers or politicians or just anybody one might want to know about this.  Might also be a good way to get them to go online and look at a larger document.

But these things usually work themselves out, the details, as one goes along so just thinking outloud and not proposing more work. 

Exposing the corruption also goes a long way toward explaining why so many of us support a boycott.  It's certainly not just because we are mean as is usually suggested.  If people understand the problem, they may well also understand that reaction to it.

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Hi all,

Get to be on here a little this morning, for a change...

That statement does not surprise me in the least.

Interpol is firmly in the grasp of the euro-elites who are profiting from the corruption trade on happy-isle. They make a good show of going after child pornography and the like, but the bottom line is what counts. Those creeps like Mr. Pink are there for the taking by any legitimate law enforcement/investigative organization, yet Interpol has barely made a dent in it... BECAUSE THEY AND THEIR HANDLERS DON'T WANT TO.

The ones behind all this would gladly serve Joran up on a silver platter but for his connections, and fear that somehow the magnitude of the corruption that controls the Dutch Caribbean will be exposed.

Hi Blogmonks,

You were talking about lawyer Moszkowicz the other day; the lawyer that assists Beth in her civil complaint against JvdS.
I just remembered that Moszkowicz and his father (a high profile lawyer as well) featered in a commercial some time ago. One of a series of very funny commercials from an insurance-company with their slogan 'Even Apeldoorn bellen!' (Something like: Have to call to Apeldoorn for a minute.')
Just HAVE to post it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckQyxU3rotk&feature=related

I LOVE that suggestion!!!! That was probably what you guys were talking about all along and I just didn't "get" it. OK! I'm with you! (I know that makes your day, huh?)  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Otherwise known as a 'drill down data mining' kind of thing!

LOL, looks like the poor kid  was chasing (and caught) the ambulance chaser all whiplashed.

LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I saw this a couple days ago and downloaded.  What I wanted to do was take certain screens at the end and superimpose Joran's face on the kid.  Unfortunately, it appears to have some kind of block or copywrite protection that doesn't allow me to do that.  I tried everything, LOLOL

Well, I like the KISS theory (keep it simple, Sweetheart).

Gunslinger, data miners and shyster lawyers all in the same thread.  Argh.  I need to take a break.

that phone looks awfully new to have been there in the hot sun and wind for 32 months or more.  has anyone checked to see if that's the same phone or kind of phone or even if there was a phone there when natalee was?  jvds spent time at the marriott in 2006  with his dutch girl friend, he could have just seen it then or even a later trip there, since the marriott seems to be another of his hangouts.
dennisintn

That is funny!! Thanks

No CBB. you make my day!
  :sunny:

Sounds like I do too!

klaasend: LaLa:

Mbox

Good point, Dennis.  I also would like to know what sway over the Marriott the wonky eyed Joran has that he could stay there in summer rather than at his parent's home with a girlfriend who comes from abroad.  Did he pay for all that? I feel quite sure he was not paying in cash.  Was he "laundering money?"  Or is there someone at the Marriott who in conjunction with Joran has done "some stuff together."

Okay.... I was just sitting here trying to be quiet, eat my lunch while I catch up and get back to work, but I just had to respond to this one......YYYYYUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyEek::

That would indeed be a lot of fun (and maybe inspiring to Moszkowicz as well). I just looked if I could maybe achieve something in that direction but I couldn't even get my 'Tube-tv' started with which i download youtube-videos. I'll look into it some more and let you know!

Amigoe.com

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“The Court questioned the verity of this statement, while we could have arrested him for a third time”, explained district attorney Dop Kruimel.  Some of the things he said were partly consistent with justice’s own investigation.  Others were not though, like the boat he mentioned; that has not been found yet.”

The OM has no statutory remedies left against the decision.  The investigation in the Holloway-case will continue with 25 detectives working on it and Van der Sloot remains the suspect.  The OM will decide on further prosecution of Van der Sloot after they are done with the investigation.   

According to his lawyer Bert De Rooij, “Joran van der Sloot is not well off.  He is in hiding and is constantly being threatened.  Whether that is in the Netherlands or in Aruba, is not known.  The lawyer said that he is not hiding for the police, but for the people’s tribunal.  He has serious reasons to believe that he won’t make it across the street if we let him go free.”

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries is of the opinion that by not arresting Joran van der Sloot, he is being rewarded for undermining the police investigation.  He also does not understand that the Court does not want to arrest him because the Court is under the impression that Joran is a consistent liar.  “The fact that a person constantly lies in a case of life and death, is precisely a motive to keep him/her locked behind bars.”

Well Amigoe.com, pardon me for not giving a......(to be completed by the reader)!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

And why did his Mother tell him to stay away from the Marriott?

Hotlinks and one-page synopsis - both are great ideas!  ::MonkeyCool::

I think the problem they are having with Joran is not that he is a liar.  It's that he tells the truth.  In his lying statements (staments that are mostly lies) there is some truth in it and in his truthful statements (statements that are mostly truthful) there are some lies in there also.  It would be easier if it was all lies or all truth, it's the mixture that is frustrating, imo.

Why would they have a payphone that can only dial internationally outside of Aruba? Also why would the coast guard investigate this phone?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here's another funny.  This is the real song that the one sung about Joran is a parody of.  I think it is Dutch?  Has the real English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVAtgSyVLo&feature=related


So naturally some joker had to translate it to English phonetically.  If any of the Dutch posters are wondering how Dutch sounds to English speakers, this translation is hilarious.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCRl5vlMk1I



For some very odd reason, I just love that song!  Such a catchy tune with a boat with such a nice name.    ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

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I sometimes jump over on RU and read...and I'm pretty sure that Glenda?? wrote that there wasn't even a payphone there in 2005..I read this  when the tapes first came out it may not have been her but I know I read it on RU....I have been back to see if I could locate the post but have not had any luck so far.... ::MonkeyConfused:: And No I'm not a RU fan I'm just like Klaas and some others I find them pretty comical
 

I knnow when I want to make an international call, I always go outside where it is real noisy and I would have to stand up, no chair to sit in and use a credit card with lots of numbers, etc., right?

Who would want to use an outside pay phone to make international calls?  That whole concept is just plain weird! 

And I believe Peter R deVies made a local call on it, didn't he, just to prove it could be done?  Think he called the ALE from it while he was there last time. 

Anyone have any links to this?

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Gunslinger ~  You are just fine, IMO.   :smt066 :smt045 

Hi Hotping..It doesnt matter as I don't think he used a payphone at all,he had a perfectly good cell phone in hand and all his pimp friends have cell phones. Yes RU is comical,Most are like evil cartoon characters..It's even funnier when they fight amongst themselves  ::MonkeyWink::

Oh, shoot, sorry, Puzzler.  Edited to correct quotes.
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One thing I would like to say about this that keeps nagging me. 

We are making this presentation for the uniformed, including some of the talking heads.  At the same time, we are also making it easier for Joran's defense team by giving them a list of the things they are going to need to defend in court.  They will undoubtedly have the cover up for the things we have posted ready at the time of trial. 

Is there any way to ask Beth if this is okay with her?

One thing Maria brought to my attention is that we can talk all we want, but the only place the talking counts is what is said in court.

Something to think about.  I hope I am making myself clear.

Bearly,

I definitely think the family or at least Beth should approve anything we produce.

And I think your points are very well taken and thought out.

It is for sure something to keep in mind.

I can only hope that our end product is so convincing they will have no defense.  But it should be done in just such a manner and you are right, we should keep in mind tipping off the defense team which consists of not only the attorneys for Joran but the entire Aruban government.

Imagine someone so stupid that he has an entire government (aka AHATA) defending him and still the whole world knows what he did and that he is guilty of some grievous crime or other.

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Thanks *******...I agree He only said He used the payphone to draw attention away from the cellphone that He really used or He used the payphone to call Anita in Holland..... ::MonkeyWink::

Great point.  There is some "there" there.

Hey Anna,

Sorry but the original song is not Dutch. I think its Danish or Swedish or something. But I agree these phoneticall 'translations' can be hilarious. What is very typical about Dutch is that we pronounce the G as if we're clearing our throats (the only other people that have that sound in their language are the Israeli's and the Arab's i think). But what's funny about that is that some American stand-up comedians that came to Holland made jokes about that like: Oh, it's so romantic when you are with a girl in a restaurant and she's talking to you and she's making sounds as if she is constantly clearing her throat! (...)

it is swedish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boten_Anna

i didn't know the jvds boat parody was derived from this one.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

She lies all the time. Perhaps 1 out of every 20 lines she types is the truth. Honestly, I have never in my life seen so many people from such a small area tell so many freaking lies. It is like they make shit up as they go along. Everyone lies.....even big people lie, my ass. This is an Island population of nothing but liars. Pathetic.

MF states he/she was at C&C's on the night Natalee went missing.
Glenda states she was at Soul Beach, but had been at C&C's on Fri. and Sat. night before Natalee went missing. Someone asked if she saw Natalee on that weekend at C&C's and/or Joran.....
answer>>
Glenda posts>>
I have no Idea if I saw her, but I do remember the Sweet Home Alabama, the drinking and butt shaking contests, etc... It was something I'd never seen before in the hundred plus times I'd been there. I've been to CnC hundreds of times... This group was through the MOON!
I didn't know Joran from Adam, so I don't have a clue if he was there. ~~~~~~~~
At CnC, the bouncers took my camera at the door on Saturday Night. When I got in, I realized why.  Girls and Boys gone wild. We stayed until around 3am and the party was still going strong. Bahia and Choose a Name were also packed.

Gilligan posts>
The MBers who went to C&C's would be the hardcore drinkers who play competitive drinking games and dance. A little bit of blow or a little bit of weed, you could make a right party out of that. Probably lots of piles of puke around back of that place. So that's what all the little darlings were doing. How sweet.

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These freaks make it sound like they have never seen such partying in their lives on their one innocent island of misfits. It is just unbelievable they talk this way about the MB'ers when it is plastered all over the internet from people's webshot albums and even the club's own website galleries and radio station galleries and hundreds of other sites the mega partying that has gone on there LONG before MB'ers landed. I am sure the MB's partied...that is what they were there for, but Damnnnnnnn, they make it seem like they brought the concept to Aruba.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Lies, lies, lies.....sick of all the lies in this horrible, tragic tale. Can no one speak the truth?

Does anyone know the length of time it would take to drive from the K2's house to where Joran was that night? Five minutes?

TIA

fran

If they were throwing up, I understand - if Julia Renfro was there -- I barely have a gag reflex, but that would do it for me.

Oh you are exaggerating a little aren't you. Everyone knows ChuckieMouse swoons over any young guy:)))

Well, I really like that song for some reason, ha ha.  Thought it might be Dutch as it seems everybody is familiar with it to do the Joran parody and Anna is a favorite Dutch name.

I am Dutch-American but my family has been in this country I think it is 7 generations, came in 1600's to New York and then later to Deep South and I live in Alabama.

Lots of Dutch and German descendants in this country and in my region.  Scottish as well.  We American are a strange hybrid mixture.  One grandfather could speak at least some Dutch and at the time I was around him before he died, it never occurred to me to try to learn.  Now I wish I had, could translate.

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Maybe Joran just walked over to the Mariott and found somebody who works there.

I mean was working there at the time.

Who could that be?   ::MonkeyRoll::

do do do do do do do do do do.. ::MonkeyDance::

So Rentahoe thinks she is one of the young pimps hanging out at Cand C. Well for her it is safe, as no one would want to drug an aged wore out ho for sex, and, you can't take what is free, of course her junk stinks so bad that she can't give it away, ooops, I almost didn't think about it, I bet she drugs young American boys to knock them out only she adds Viagra to the mix. Oh what a cunning and wore out ho she is.

And she thinks we want her review of an establishment? And I am sure she has not ever seen so many attractive bottoms in there. As for the shaking, put a mirror on your butt Julia and watch while you walk. Only your doesn't quite wiggle in the manner that young boys like any more huh ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

This stupidity was the idea of Michel Dubero, so that that Tourist can call home from anywhere via a credit card at a cost of 20.00 dollar when you see the bill from your credit card. Another type of providing someone linked to the Government with money to implement a stupid idea all over the Island and a $20.00 call for 5 min talk.

Corruption is in every corner

I read the same thing at RU...if We could prove that the phone wasn't there in May 2005 ....that would prove Tacopina as a liar along with JVS....  ::MonkeyWink::

Tyler,
Do you recall the very first story Joran was reported to have told at school?  The one to the headmaster I think it was.  And remember a poster Tsunder talked about that first day quite a bit.

He said Natalee hit her head and he swam her out to sea.  I am told that part was doable but that it would be just about impossible to swim back against the tide so don't know but that's his first version of events.

Makes me wonder if anyone helped him at all.  Jut not sure how he did it or of Paulus came to the rescue.  Art Wood seemed to hint of Paulus hiring somebody as he said something about Paulus wouldn't drive the boat in that last interview with Greta which I found strange.

There was also the rumor/theory of Paulus hiring Colombians.

This is why I can never develop a theory of my own as to what happened as so many things are possible but I do think the disposal was Joran and Paulus or one of them separately.

Why don't they just give it up and tell the truth!!!  That could end all of this.

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Oh and Rentahoe, when you screw as many boys as you do, it is hard to tell Joran from Adam, but we have your number, you have had them all, when they were too young to care. I bet you are what drove Joran to Guido?

I believe we were told about 10-15 minutes? 

Yes, I remember that is what he told the headmaster when the headmaster told him he did not need to be talking about this with the students, and I believe that was even before Anita was summoned to the school.

totally agree!

Maybe Mr. M. Purcell

Now who you gonna believe Joran, RU or Taco? Lying liars and all their lying liar friends and associates who have a lying club where they make up lies and lie about their own lies.

They are a pretty amazing bunch of kids. They went into a backwards banana tree joint, Cand C, and made it seem as if it was the Ritz for the night and had a grand party. They definitely aren't stuck up and snotty because they never would have gone in a place with such trashy customers. Rentahoe, they are glad you got a chance to see high class folks haver a good time

amigo quote---clipped
"According to his lawyer Bert De Rooij, “Joran van der Sloot is not well off.  He is in hiding and is constantly being threatened. Whether that is in the Netherlands or in Aruba, is not known.  The lawyer said that he is not hiding for the police, but for the people’s tribunal.  He has serious reasons to believe that he won’t make it across the street if we let him go free.” Where are the keeping him?  it is like he is locked up some place

Crime journalist Peter R. de Vries is of the opinion that by not arresting Joran van der Sloot, he is being rewarded for undermining the police investigation.  He also does not understand that the Court does not want to arrest him because the Court is under the impression that Joran is a consistent liar.  “The fact that a person constantly lies in a case of life and death, is precisely a motive to keep him/her locked behind bars.”
Peter is the only one making any sense in this investigation.

Hi Klaasend,

I've looked into it now. I have downloaded the video and can convert it with VisualHub (PSP, DV, DVD, AVI, MP4, WMV, MPEG, Flash) and edit it in Final Cut Express (all Mac). I don't seem to have any problem here. If you like I can send a converted file to you. (I'm not so talented in editing these clips in a funny way.) If you like that let me know in what format and whereto I can send it.

PI  ::MonkeyHaHa:: :smt082  OMG,  YOU are too funny!  I LOVE your posts!

Nut,  thanks for sharing that review from Glenda,  that's the first time I've seen that.

Wasn't Mark Purcell Jr a bartender at Moomba (sp).  Maybe that is the second bar they stopped at instead of Chose A Name as they said.  Protecting their source?  He had lots of some date rape drug and said it was for his own use, right?  And in true Aruban tradition, his mother backed him up and said he needed it to masturbate of all things!  At least that is what was reported.

Since when does a young male need aids for THAT???

Then Mark Sr was director of facilities at Mariott.  Mariott is sure to have a boat.  Where did Purcells dock their boat I wonder.  Mark Sr speaks often of his aversion to birds and toads meaning me and Granny Toad for some odd reason as I have never done anything to him.  Neither has she.

Just inserted himself into this in such a big way and also has irrational hated for Beth. 

Like defensive.

Or something. . . .

We have all seen the photos and videos of C&C and what goes on there routinely.

I highly doubt that a group of high school seniors could come anywhere close to the nasty professionals and semi pros there.

And prior to all of this, the chaperons were receiving compliments on how well behaved they were.

Note their behavior in the casino video for example.  Looks pretty sedate to me.

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O/T

Does anyone else's SpellChek try to change Joran to Koran?  I am always afraid I will do that using SpellChek and offend some Muslim extermist group that will issue a fatwa against me or something.

. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I know that they are all liars....But it could help Beth's case if We could prove that the payphone was not even there in May 2005....  ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry to be O/T but Klaas...could you mark a couple of threads in missing peeps for me please? TY.

Utah Couple found SAFE :)
Briana Denison body found :(

You are the man if you can work with Final Cut 2 or 3..It is one of the most tedious programs I have ever tried to learn..So I used Imovie..lol Not sure about the express version. I did download some other programs like FLV downloader and player. It downloads videos on my HD and seems pretty easy to use..Macs Rule  ::MonkeyCool::

Oh, thanks Klaasend!  ::MonkeyWink::


JMHO
fran

There is a reason for their involvement in this case and I just cannot figure it out but it raises red flags for me the way they go after Robin and defend Joran.  It makes me think they have more to hide than a drug bust.

I hate that woman, but sometimes I am a little OT with my thoughts on her, not that she doesn't deserve them but that this site may be a little to decent to have to read them:) She wants everyone to believe she is important to this case, to Aruba, the VDS, but she isn't even important to her pitiful little old mother, the poisoner, Siddalee. I am actually surprised that Siddaless did not't recognize at birth what a hoe she was going to be and abort her after the fact:)

I just know she was a Daddy's girl like Joran and just loved all of that special love their Daddy gave them. Them 2 are definitely the apples of their Daddy's flies ::MonkeyConfused::

Me thinks she is delusional suffering from illusions of grandeur. She had to move to Aruba apparently to even find a crowd that would tolerate her, and that is only with her on her knees reporting for duty. I keep telling her that her knees can't last for ever, while I am handing her some breath freshener ::MonkeyCool::

Well, I am absolutely not The Man on Final Cut Express yet... Just a beginner. Guess I don't know 25% of it yet. But I'm slowly learning.

Since it was a weekend...how late would Moomba's be open?  Maybe until 2:00 AM or so?  Someone was there cleaning up at least.  CnC was open until 1:00 AM.  A bar near a hotel resort would probabaly stay open later...Joran had a friend there...he walked up to the Marriott...not to use the phone...but to get help...not to help Natalee...but to cover his butt...MOO

Have there been any official release of the Aruban authority's transcripts of the Natalee case? I hear a lot of "he said, she said" but it's hard to give anything much credit because it isn't released from an official source.  Is Aruba going to release any of their recorded statements?

Don't worry about that!

We got your back!

Anita, Joran, relax, those aren't threats that people are sending you and your sporter. Why would they want to tease and threaten you about that. I suspect they are not from people trying to scare you, they are most likely from God fearing people who don't lie, so quit your fretting and relax. Now lets see what did you tell Natalee? Relax and enjoy it, you can't stop it. Oh and if you ever get injured, make sure you don't stop shaking, because if you do, I hear where you live they don't check people to see if they are alive, they just dump the injured out in the ocean. Thats why you all have such healthy sharks I suspect. You dump your injured and wounded so that there food is fresh, you bastard ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

Quit crying like a little sissy, Joran. I thought you were some big gangster. Instead you whine like a granny's panties sniffing Poppa's boy. Don't you know that some women in the 80's dribble?

That is what is so intriguing about the early reports of activity by the Marriott. I wonder if Art Wood knows the name of the employee at the Marriott that supposedly helped dispose of Natalee with Fransisco and whoever had that white PU. The story could be BS but it's just interesting that someone would go into such detail combined with other others that said similar things like a white PU being involved and a blue tarp.

http://www.blikopdewereld.nl/economie/de_zaak_koch.htm

Officier van Justitie Janssen en onderzoeksrechter W.-Bruinsma zijn in het voortraject volgens Moszkowicz opmerkelijk vriendelijk voor Koch geweest. ,,Wat weten we van zijn ziekte? Alleen wat hij zelf zegt. Ik heb nooit een medische onderbouwing gezien. De indruk zou kunnen ontstaan dat er tussen de verdachte en het Openbaar Ministerie een overeenkomst is gesloten, om Koch zo ver te krijgen hen op een andere manier van informatie te voorzien,'' stelde de raadsman. Officier van Justitie K. Janssen reageerde niet op deze aantijging.

Karin Janssen and Moszkowicz have been om opposite sides in court before....

This was in the biggest investement scam (about 145mil guilders +/- 65mil Euros)  in Holland to date
It involves a german guy named Koch

Short Translation of the above:

Karin Jansen "officer of justice" (srry don t know the english term) and judge Bruinsma have according to Moszkowicz been remarkably friendly to Koch (Janssen and Bruinsma claimed he was to sick to be interrogated)
Moszkowicz: What do we know about this illness? Only what Kock himself says. I have never seen any medical evidence of illness. The impression could arise that the suspect and the Openbaar Ministerie have made some sort of deal. Karen Janssen chose not to react to this accusation of Moszkowicz

Oh and... Karen Jansen never witnessed the end of this case cuse she was sent to Aruba.

Well, #1 we have gunslinger here and #2 they have not issued one against Obama yet and he is using a Muslim name and claiming Christianity, so I doubt they would go after you on that, but on second thought, I would not want Joran converted to Holy Bible.  :)

I don't think you have to adhere to only one format; you can present several, each one going in more depth.
1. Maybe start with Who's Who in the Zoo, and include pictures and connect them with both relations and jobs (or do two charts, one of government, the other of relationships)
2. Next, a chronological presentation of short quotes (w/small picture or caricature?) Right under the quotes could be the source.
3. Finally the whole thing filled in, a long documentary of events.

This would allow the reader to get "hooked" while they are in short attention span mode.

Just another idea.

Could you keep an eye on my back too? I've just placed the 'Mohammed-with-a-bomb-in-his-turban-cartoon' on my blog yesterday. I get the shivers every time the doorbell rings now...

Thanks!  I may need that.  Can't be too careful these days.

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sorry if this has been posted already:

Monday, February 18:
• Breaking news in the Natalee Holloway case — 'On the Record' has the latest!

Im not sure how much of this fact or satire
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-suspect-emerges-in-aruba-murder.html

I always felt there was something to do with the fact Mark Jr, Joran, & friend
(Alex or Lorenzo?) are all together at C&C wearing the same shirt, closely shaved heads....Some sort of "club"?  Even SC was there and others?  It was as though the "predator game" was in effect.  Joran says "I wanted to party more & Natalee wanted to come with us." They probably did drive around for the next party. I wonder why Joran stops at his house?  Drugs, condoms? They most likely met up with GVC and Guido at Arashi Beach & headed for Moomba's...Which wasd open late that night.  This would put them all near the Marriott/Holiday Inn. Where "something bad happened" first. I also believe the report of a girl being taken to a white vehicle (The vehicle following Deepak?) The "party" most likely moves south to Colony Beach where some evidence may have been found.

Had MIP6, Reality, Renfro and others had kept themselves off the forums with their vivicious attacks on Natalee and her family....Things would not be pointing to them & WHO they are protecting. JMO.

Each of Joran's successive stories were designed to include information he discovered along the way. He only tells stories that have partial truths, knowing that, tells me something in what he says about walking to the Marriott has some truth in it.  He either truly made a phone call from that phone to his buddy "Daury" or he knew there was a possibility of someone seeing him in the area and he is placing himself there deliberately in order to deflect the truth in some way....didn't Scott Peterson do that too? :roll:

wonder what's that's going to be.
breaking news, but we'll have to wait till her show at 10pm... not that breaking i guess.
maybe it's just that patrick has a book coming.

Would Joran have had the courage to take daddy's car when he stopped at the house?   They went to the house, because it's in the PV's...they knew someone may know this and thus a story to cover "the reason we stopped at Joran's".

Good point i always wondered why they would go there for no reason

Let's be honest here, NO ONE rapes and kills a girl out in the open.  My guess is he took her inside the Marriott where all his pimps were waiting on them.  If not there there he did take her back to the VDSloots home for the entertainment.

i haven't seen it before.  any clue what it's about?
dennisintn

Possibly....But it's Deepak that "slips" & describes Guido & GVC's cars.

Why hadn't MIP6 said "Oh, yeah...that's my kid hanging out at C&C's?"

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/GuyattheBar.jpg)(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/joran-cc.jpg)
What I'm seeing is possibly the pimps "bait & switch" game
A tourist girl really could not ID them positively

Mark Jr is one "wild & crazy" guy
He probably met Natalee earlier

He is probably in a mental institution just like VD Straaten told him.

IMO the house stop with Natalee & 2K was just to find the next party
Possibly Freddy was already there
The stops along the way were to get the pimps together
Most likely SW beach
Odd evidence found
6:30 am call FROM Santa Lucia-last stop-Joran calling Paulus
My guess is: Rancho Daimari area (cucunu house/apts)

Daury could be Mark Jr...He fits the description
Why wasnt this "pimp" ever questioned? Everyone else was.

careful what you say--you will get an email from "someone" on that site reprimanding you for something you did not say ::MonkeyNoNo::

Santa Lucia: "Hidden in plain view"

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/melbourne19/cunucu.jpg)

Which guy are you thinking is Mark Jr?

IMO no one in those pics are Mark Jr.

From the PV’s about cars and drivers….

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.

(I'm curious...Why doesn't Joran & Freddy have driver's licences?
Because they are usually in the backseat with girls and driven by others? 
Others that may have been filming things?)

IMO Joran & others stayed in Santa Lucia overnight
(The final report for school was being printed on Sunday night
"History of Alcohol & Drugs"...IMO What Paulus was lookng for in Monday night
to print for Joran)

Art Wood is right...Evidence of what they are all about is on their computers (and MySpace-type pages)...i.e. backseat websites of Brough's & others.

Well, Ren, you have been caught with your pants down sotaspeak.

It tells me either:

1.  You are exaggerating.  It could not have been disturbing you or you would have left.  Instead you stayed until 3 AM!

2.  You make poor decisions.  You are the mother of 4 (pregnant at the time no?) and spent the night in the bar where you say all this was taking place.  Can't be good for kid #4.  This is the kids playground, you are too old.

4.  You were jealous.  Was that you on top of the bar dancing and singing:

     There's no business
     like ho business,
     like no business I know 

you have to be 18 in the netherlands (and i suppose in aruba) to get a driver's licence.
joran was 17 at the time wasn't he?
on top of that in the netherlands it is very expensive and quite difficult to pass the exams.
drinking alcohol is also legal at 16, sex with consent is also legal at 16.
working in sex business is legal at 18.
if i got one of these things wrong please a dutchie or someone correct me.

Couple of days ago I posted something similar...still wondering about it.
>>>posted by me on the 16th
"According to acquaintances of of of the ditch he have been gone into
hiding in a German holiday park."

I have been wondering...IF true, is it possible that a " Duits vakantiepark" ...is possible a safe house or...rehab ranch or even a   ::MonkeyConfused::  bin?

He either used that phone to call Anita or used the pay as you go cell phone he uses for pimpin'.

To make the pages printable, you could put numbers next to the asterisk like you would for a footnote.

And another good idea, too. 

MsMarple is also good with this kind of thing.  I wonder what she would suggest as well.

EURobert - sorry, I got some unexpected company and was away from my computer.  I was able to download it and view it on my PC, but to do what I want I have to be able to capture screen shots and for some reason they turn out all black after I capture them.   It's not a normal problem there is some kind of hidden code that is stopping it from working.

Joran didn't have a drivers licence when Natalee was in Aruba because he was too young.  How do we know Freddy doesn't have one? 

Van der Sloot's 'friend' signs book contract
Monday 18 February 2008

Patrick van der Eem, who befriended Joran van der Slot and then secretly recorded him confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died, has signed a book contract with US literary agent David Vigliano.

The rights to Van der Eem's story on the disappearance of the US teenager on Aruba in 2005 will be auctioned off, the Telegraaf reports on Monday.

At the weekend Dutch lawyer Bram Moszkowic told the media he has been approached by Holloway's mother to look into the possibility of bringing a civil case against Van der Sloot.


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/van_der_sloots_friend_signs_bo.php

Nobody in the picture looks like Mark Jr.

Anna,
Thank you for your answer. It is most appreciated to have someone read one of my posts.

Hi Maggie - don't feel bad, it happens to me too.  Just yesterday I posted a picture that ended up on the front page of SM this morning.  When I posted it in the forum not one person commented on it and I'm an Administer of the site, LOLOL   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I say he went there to retrieve help.

Maggie, you are most welcome but lots of us try to read every post.  Sometimes it is complete and there is nothing needed to say.  You explain your thoughts very well and maybe no one has a question so they don't comment.

When I feel ignored, and believe me we all do at times, I quote myself and repost it, lol.

But I promise you that I was not the only one who read it, for sure!

Lots are working and lurking or at work and not supposed to even be here, yikes!

But I do agree that sometimes even when we read a post, a reply would be nice so we don't feel invisible.

.

Thanks, Caesu ...I wasn't aware of that.

I have mentioned that here almost daily for a month and it does not seem to generate any interest.

Thank you Anna.

My emotions are mixed on both topics.

Janet

Patrick and his book:

His agent, Peter Schouten used to be the email contact on Peter R. Devries, English site.  Now, it is Devries, himself.

Who is the American journalist the Peter met up with IN ARUBA, to write his book??  Please tell me it is someone I have never heard of....

Anna

The Anna bot parody reminded me of a description of Klaasend.... ::MonkeyShocked::

you are welcome.

also to enter as casino in the netherlands you have to be 18 and show ID if you enter (at least they should do that).
maybe on aruba things are different, but i doubt that.
this only shows once again what a disrespect jvds has for the law, especially when his gambling together with his father, the judge in training.

For any crossword freaks:

This Sunday New York Times Magazine crossword puzzle, 39 down, five letters, Tourist mecca near Venezuela.

I've already written them suggesting some other clues in the future.

Which part exactly?

We only have some of the Process Verbals, statements made by suspects under questioning by ALE.

I think they are in the section under Natalee Holloway entitled Important Case Documents.  You will find it by going to the Home section then Natalee Holloway.

Oddly, we have a few pages of one by Paulus vs Sloot with large section missing.

But we do not have nearly all of them.  Wish we could read those, too.

.

if y'all want to get serious about the boycott, someone with more time than me should start a not-for-profit organization, raise some funds and go to DC and lobby some of these crooks, i mean Senators and Congressmen.  Thats how you get shit done.

Frank,

Is that true about Mark Purcell Jr getting busted with drugs or is it satie?

I know you don't like to answer about that but I can't always tell and have taken that literally. 

.

Edit satie to satire!

Grumble grumble about no edit button.

Anna,

I'm not sure which post you are referring?

Is satire even possible when it comes to Aruba?

The one about Mark Jr being busted for GHB and his wife said he needed it for personal use?

Someone also posted a link to it today.

I am a little dense at times and don't always get it when people are using satire.

You are right, it is hard to do about Aruba because everything is so extreme, extremely wrong!

The official document, PV's that are posted here at SM are official.  Just like the documents received by Greta and others are official.  The authorities will give out anything for a price.  We of course didn't pay for them but I suspect a media source did.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I just woke up everyone in the office!!!!

Yes, that part about banning and keeping channel clear sounds like Klaas.  Maybe we should call her Klaasanna, lol.  Something tells me she wouldn't like that, however.  Also the part about stopping spam would be Klaas.

But I just like to hear a song with my name in it.  And not a mean one like Joran's.

.

You mean like a PAC?  Well, good idea but I think the crooks expect large campaign contributions and we don't have any money.

I wonder if they would pay attention otherwise.

.

Anna,

send me the link

you would be surprised.

also, organized protest get allot of attention down there.

This started with a couple of buddies riding their Harleys to DC in protest of the gov leaving POW and MIA's behind in Viet Nam and Korea.

There are over a million motorcycles alone that show up for a protest through the streets of DC and past the White House on Memorial Day every year now and the Gov responds every year.  Sometimes even the president himself shows up to explain what they are doing with the POW MIA situation  :smt002

Does anyone know for sure what bar this is next to the H I (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/mombo.jpg)

forgot to add the links...

http://www.rollingthunder1.com/

http://www.rollingthunder1.com/PDFs/RTXXIInformation.pdf

http://www.rollingthunder1.com/govaffairs.html

I'm pretty sure it's Moomba's

Looks like MoomBa's

" just know she was a Daddy's girl like Joran and just loved all of that special love their Daddy gave them. Them 2 are definitely the apples of their Daddy's flies

Me thinks she is delusional suffering from illusions of grandeur. She had to move to Aruba apparently to even find a crowd that would tolerate her, and that is only with her on her knees reporting for duty. I keep telling her that her knees can't last for ever, while I am handing her some breath freshener "

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http://moombabeach.com/component/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=26

photo gallery

Hi Monkeys!

Klass-You have mail at the C one.

At least to me the denial statement of corrupt judge Wit just before de Vries program translated above demonstrates the strong probability that the corrupt WERE MADE AWARE of de Vries upcoming program & the distinct probability that undercover operations were involved being known to same.  It also pretty much explains why JVDStoolscum spent such a long time on LieRuba, during his last detainment in December, conveniently made the DAY BEFORE THE TAPING OF THE undercover ACTIVITIES.  Quite a convenience that was, wasn't it?????????????

When I was of the age of 20, I studied straight as an arrow, but took exams that caused high anxiety less anxious with the aid of MaryJane.  Perhaps that was the strategy with JVDStoolscum, making it easier to repeat his studying done in December.  We know that at least 2 of the ABC judges are corrupt, how many others are of the same ilk?????????????

1 across: #1 suspect in disappearance of Natalee Holloway

12 down: Tourist island whose corruption cost them dearly

Located between the Holiday Inn and Marriott

aren't there contradictions in what he's said above? 
dennisintn

Done.

.

When this article was first posted on the SM Forum by ******* on December 29, 2008.  Does anybody know if this was the date of publication in Bon Dia?

Thank you.

Janet

Yes they are caught red handed in lies. He says Dompig obstructed the search. Wit also says they never asked to search anything more than Jorans Apt and the 2 cars. But Dompig and KJ say they were turned down and denied searching the rest of the sloot house. They were deeply dissapointed  ::MonkeyRoll::

December 27th 2007 I sent KJ a copy last night ::MonkeyWink::
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http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=620

December 27, 2007

Need to run out for a bit, be right back   ::MonkeyWink::

LOL LOL ! justins...hi.

Hiya, back, Nut! I'd love to read what Frank's suggestions were!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: They "the powers that be" have to keep him quiet until this plays out and cools down. He is like a loose cannon.  If he fears for his life it will be because the bad guys that he already knows want him permanently quiet. He is probably in a safe house. tmo.

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Bob Wit is truly a frightening character  ::MonkeyEek::
I don't like to look at him .. ::MonkeyNoNo::

:smt045 I know....and he gives me the creeps.

I hate to prejudge, although I never refrain from how ugly I think JR is nor how ugly is Joran (which are not prejudices but based on their physical and emotional displays), but this man looks as smarmy as Anita and Paulus.

They can go back and forth with who was at fault. The bottom line is the laundry room was in the main house and they needed to look at the clothing there, for the intervening week. That was just the basics, especially since they were going on things like she hit her head getting out of the car. Simply they all need to be investigated by someone higher up then a newspaper.

We have learned they are too streetwise to be buffoons, so they must all be corrupt.  C O R R U P T.

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE

Ask about getting a re-run video of Gertie and Gracie if there is anything on tonight.  Our cable is still out and probably will be (we are told) for the rest of week.  So glad I do not have cable for computer.

FROM DEBBIE AT BFN>>>>>
Dateline - NBC - Friday 02/22/08

The show is about predators and will feature interviews with Dave and Beth and will also tell a few things that have been going on with the investigation.

Check your local listings for time and channel.

I will update as I get more info.
 ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you Klaasend and *******.

******* ...   ::MonkeyShocked::

Did you send accompanying letter?

Janet

He kinda reminds me of an older chubbier version of PVDS.  imho

I sent KJ the copy in Papi and the translation in english and asked her just one question. I doubt she will reply. I hate this lady Janet! She was supposed to help Natalee and instead she helped the Perps and killed the Investigation :smt093

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: 
I was just studying his face.   ::MonkeyEek::
I don't like the looks of him!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

They look like head peckers of the Boy Bubble Butt Booty Packers Club of Aruba, there version of the US Big Brothers Organization. Some how information gets distorted on that island ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yep that about sums it up for me.

Klaas or San..... O/T
VILMA ALAS in missing persons has been located safe...please mark as such, thanks!

POSTED by MF at RU (no link :roll: )

Patrick van der Eem does not believe.

Patrick van der Eem does not believe that Joran called anyone that night. He said that he firmly believes that he walked home to get help.

About the 25.000 Euro he received, he said that he used almost 45.000 Euro from his own pocket, and that he does not need money, since his company is doing all right.

If the whole tape will be viewed by the public, he does not know, but he is no lawyer, police or judge to say that.

He is also not happy with DIARIO (?) how they tried to portrayed him. His criminal records are about mistakes he committed 12-13 years ago.

His book will be out around June and the first chapter will be published in the New York Times.

Me too *******.  Hans Mos does not fair any better as far as I am concerned.

Joran and Paulus van der Sloot had the defence ... Jan van der Straaten ... Dennis Dompig ... the prosecution ... influencial officials at various levels of the Dutch/Aruban government and ...  certain members of the judiciary ... all on their side ... distancing them from implication.  Natalee Holloway had no representation.  Justice never stood a chance for the 18 year old American citizen.

Janet

__________


AMIGOE
February 9, 2008

<snipped>

The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own.  “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice.  To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’.  People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences.  Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice.  “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”   

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot

<snipped>

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Could we get a copy of the search warrant from someone in Aruba?

What program is on tonite with Natalee's classmates?

I found this



Here the transcript and translation of the NOVA interview yesterday, with Paul van der Sloot on the housesearch of the last two days.
(To make up for the blunder I made yesterday …)

Intro: Today two years after the dissappearence of Natalee Holloway again a housesearch has been conducted in the parents house of JvdS on Aruba. Still the mainsuspect in the murder- or dissapp. case of Natalee Holloway. Not just another housesearch… This time more then 25 forensic experts from Holland and members of the KLPD (Corps Nat. Police Services) and they re-started the investigation. They were supposed to have serious leads that could point to the murderer. On the telephone, PvdS the father of Joran…
Nova: You are at Aruba… Can you tell what has happened today at your house… and yesterday?
PvdS: Yes, they started a housesearch yesterday. From around ten o’clock on and they went on till the evening. And this morning they continued that and around two o’clock Aruban time they ended the search.
Nova: How many people were there at your house?
PvdS: Well there were some 20 people from the NL’s and some Aruban detectives. But it were especialy the Dutch that I saw do the searching.
Nova: When did you hear for the first time this all would be happening?
PvdS: That was when the housesearch started.
Nova: And were there things taken from the house?
PvdS: Yes they took my diary-notes with them, they took diary-notes from Anita and some letters… That’s what they took… And the computer they’ve taken but I got that back already.
Nova: And I understood that they have sought for things in a different way…? Some drilling has been going on…?
PvdS: Yes that’s right… They came with enormous equipment.., sonar equipment.., drills.., and these kinds of thin tubes… And they have, well you can hardly believe it, they have realy searched for Natalee in our garden…
Nova: Well, that’s what we have understood as well from the people leading the investigation.., namely that they were looking for the corpse or the remains of that…
PvdS: Yes.., yes.., it’s uhh.., it’s uhh.., it’s uuh… indeed unbelievable… that uhhh, that… that they do that… I had uhhh… I had never believed that could be possible… That uhhh, that uuh… that they seriously would do that… (grins)… But they did it anyway…
Nova: Well that indicates that police at Aruba and in the NL’s still think there’s something to be found at your place… and that you are still a suspect in the case?
PvdS: No, no, it is.. uh, I.., I am no longer a suspect in the case… It is about Joran… But… Yes they are now reassured… They haven’t found anything!
Nova: Uhhm… You don’t know that for sure I assume… Have they taken traces with them from your place or are you sure about that?
PvdS: Yes I’m sure they didn’t found anything, yes (bit hesitant).
Nova: Yes. Are you again interrogated by the police?
PvdS: Uh.. they have.. I don’t talk to the police! That is something that HAS been! I’ve made that very clear! I will not talk with the police again.
Nova: Was there a request from the Dutch police or the Aruban police-off’s to speak to you again?
PvdS: They uhh.., they uhh, uh, picked me up at the court… I just had a uh, defended uh, a client in a penal-case, and uh, then uh, a detective came to me who said he wanted to talk to me. And then I made him very clear that I didn’t feel for that.. And next he told me that they were conducting a housesearch. And then I uhh, I got in my car and drove here…
Nova: Eight detectives have traveled from the NL’s to Aruba. Again… for this case. There are 25 workers from the Forensic Institute that came by your house uhh, what do you think of that?
PvdS: Well, yes uh as a tax-payer uhh in the NL’s I would uh, frinkle my forehead… What I saw uhh.. The way they uhhh… Yes these uhh… Our house was a sort of resort… They’d put tables outside… Chairs… Uh drinks… Uh lots of food… Uh… Making lots of pleasure… These uhh, these uhh, these boys and girls had the time of their lives and uhh… And I welcome it to them off course… But uhh, then you must not uhh, not uhh, expect uhh, that uhhh, you are being taken seriously… considderd being busy with an investigation…a
Nova: Mr. vdSloot were are told that the policeservice.., the NL’s policeservice the KLPD had serious leads that could possibly could lead to a breakthrough in the case…
PvdS: Yes… Well yes… These were not disclosed to me…
Nova: It must be a comfort to you if indeed there is a breakthrough because you are convinced of the innocence of your son.
PvdS: Yes, that’s right…
Nova: (Waits for elaboration on that) … … … So the searching does make sense? Maybe for you as well?
PvdS: Well look… Uhh… You can always look at it in a positive way… They always look… They always look for a… It’s an enormous violation of your private life.. That’s uhhh.., that’s uuhh… You should experience that… to realy realy feel that… It’s truly very annoying when people… - strangers and known - uhh go through al your.., all your stuff… That is realy uh, an enormous violation of your private life… And uhh… in that sense I uhh am very angry about that… But uh when you look at it in a positive way… Yes… then you hope now… that now finaly there will come an end to… This is now the 4th search of the house… And that they uhh.., let’s say… Go sit/ride on the right track now… And uhh… Or in any case… uhh.. wonder if uhh indeed this is all uh.. about a crime… Because you as well started with… uh… with… uh… telling that… Yes… “Who is the murderer of Natalee Holloway…” But then I think you are one step ahead… It is still uhh…
Nova: It is possible that she’s just missing? … I want to ask you one more question mr. VdS… This all comes at a time… Your son still is a suspect in the case… Uhhm… And at the same time has written a book about the whole matter… Do you think that’s a correct thing to do at this time?
PvdS: Well he did that as a coping-proces. And I think that is very good. When you… when you write… uhh.. then, then, then…. Then you put things in the right order… And… Well… well he did that… I had him on the telephone today and I notice that… (can’t hear) … is now. He can now put it behind him…
Nova: Yes…
PvdS: And you should almost think that this kind of action of the KLPD uhh… is some sort of uhhh publicity stunt for the book…
Nova: Yes…
PvdS: I saw by the way, today that uhh, uhh, uhh, that the people (of the KLPD) weree reading copies of the book… So… And I saw them on and on.., well yes… laugh at what they read… So apparently…
Nova: Well… well… We have…
PvdS: … it was worth reading….
Nova: Well we have to leave it here… Anyway… Thanks you for the explanation.. From Aruba… Paul vd Sloot . Thank you

pictures also 
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:2eAKIj00G4MJ:scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/van-der-sloot-residence-search-in-pictures-part-1/+search+warrant+for+the+Van+der+Sloots+house+in+Aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

They won't release that to anyone PI. Just like they won't release why the DNA tests were gathered illegally,what the tests revealed before they destroyed them and what they were comparing the DNA to. When Beth and Dave met with Mos he wouldn't answer any of there questions,you would think he could answer a few questions for this family but he didn't. If he couldn't tell them anything in private for sure they won't release anything to anyone outside of there network of corruption.

Thanks Blonde,I havent read that since the search. Both him and Jr say they will never talk to the police again. He really does think he is a genious but I guess when your own Govt is backin you up,you don't have too much to worry about. I seriously can't wait for the day they take him down..It's gonna happen..Justice will prevail..
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PvdS: Uh.. they have.. I don’t talk to the police! That is something that HAS been! I’ve made that very clear! I will not talk with the police again.

PvdS: Well, yes uh as a tax-payer uhh in the NL’s I would uh, frinkle my forehead… What I saw uhh.. The way they uhhh… Yes these uhh… Our house was a sort of resort… They’d put tables outside… Chairs… Uh drinks… Uh lots of food… Uh… Making lots of pleasure… These uhh, these uhh, these boys and girls had the time of their lives and uhh… And I welcome it to them off course… But uhh, then you must not uhh, not uhh, expect uhh, that uhhh, you are being taken seriously… considderd being busy with an investigation…a

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

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I think the program with Natalee's classmates is Dateline and that is on Friday night.  Tonight Greta on Fox will have something on the case.

Nothing I know of tonight.

Anyone recognize the guy on the far left? I know I have seen him before..He reminds me of Max Arendsz a bit..Also I have seen Steve one too many times with Jeremy in pics..They must be closely related.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/croes.jpg)

I don't know who the guy on the left is but Jeremy's name is Cheremy Croes.  I believe he is related to Steve in some way.

Yes I have seen them together now at least 5 times..I almost called him cheremy but his name comes up as Jeremy and Jerry Strawberry for some reason..lol

So that is a part of the case file? If it is then Beth should be able to review it.

******* - is that a recent photo?  I ask because I hadn't seen Cheremy for a while.

That is probably an authentic search warrant in Aruba:)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

WOW! They picked a prime predator to feature in Joran.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyCool::

VAN SUSTEREN: How far away does Deepak live from you?
VAN DER SLOOT: About 20 minutes, I think.
(Greta interview with Joran)

I"M not sure where I got this photo or when it was taken..I saw Jeremy twice last year in december..He was part of some scam,maybe that false ID thing and I saw him partying on the tatoo for a party,also in attendance was Andre Santos.

Hi Monks....I noticed Maryann is on line with us and I wanted to share with her and anyone else trying to sell their condo or timeshare on Aruba..try going on line with ArubaBulletinBoard at VisitAruba.com   They are totally in love with the island mostly Americans who when this whole thing broke were angry how the press were hurting Aruba.  In fact ,if you said anything the slightest negative about Joran etc they would block your posts.  You might find avid buyers for your property in Aruba or renters since they think it is one happy island...After seeing the search warrant written on toilet paper, I guess you might say that about says it all.  Do not mention monkeys since they dislike us..I am so happy they do.   Does anyone know when Robots will be back?  I am For Natalee

It is entirely possible that Boeti did see something that night on the beach.
It is where he hangs out, where all the "pimps" play.  Mickey Johns is reportedly a drug dealer on the beach.

Boeti Interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXbUURh7GUE&mode=related&search=

lol, gracie didn't have anything, i do think there was a tickler for greta.  probably a half hour of taco and rosemary baby telling us how innocent frankenbaby is, since she didn't provide equal time saturday.
dennisintn

Joran didn't have to walk home because he was already home.  Paulus sent the Kalpoes home after Joran physically harmed her.  Now whether he went out after the crime happened is another story.  This is just my opinion.

#1  Possible Boeti saw something if the beach story is true at all
#2  Most everyone in Aruba supplies drugs to tourists it seems.  GVC, Michael Dompig, possibly MJ, I'm sure the list is quite long.  I suspect from looking through webshots that alot of the guys that work the water sports also supply drugs for the tourists.

I wonder if the MB students were finally able to idenify the older local guy seen talking to Natalee at the pool & casino.  And, Ed K....Identify the bartenders he was hanging out with at C&C....

I haven’t had time to look any further than this, but the top of the page, in the link, has a poll that was put up for opinions on the ‘infiltrator’ back in November.

The source may have been Dompig as posted yesterday. I thought it had come from the Netherlands, but am not sure. Regardless the Ditches must have also heard it.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2383.860

I just wanted everyone to know that one monkey made a huge contribution to the cause of Justice for Natalee this month.

And this person really deserves to be congratulated publicly.

That Monkey is Carpe Noctem.

This month alone Carpe's ranked number #39 with total video views on YouTube - 175,899 with total videos of 145.

On The Record with Jug - 31,430

Those videos have helped to tell the story, chronicled the events of the day, spread the knowledge, and to give those that need the voice the platform to speak.

Congrats Carpe - you ARE da MAN!!!!

http://youtube.com/user/gensing7000

 ::MonkeyDance::  Carpe ROCKS!  I don't know how he does it! 

REMINDER - Greta is supposed to have something on the case tonight.  Show starts in just a few minutes  

Carpe!

You R A W K !!!!   (INSERT ROCKIN SMILEY HERE!)

Thank you!

See, you need a rockin smiley too!

IIRC
If it was Ed, he rode with a waiter that spoke Spanish.  Don't know anything about a bartender.

Nothing about Natalee and an older man...heard rumors of her chatting with "too young" beach bumbs...but not from a reliable source.

Might I suggest a link to your sources....it might be easier to clarify....as not just rumor...

Not just congrats to Carpe but a sincere thank you!!

Hardy congratulations and many, many thanks!!!

That's what I recall as well.

congratulations, carpe, and keep up the great work for natalee.  you have a great way of "standing with the girl".
dennisintn

Way to go Carpe! ::MonkeyDance::

The video aboard the Persistence (from Greta'a show) is the most encouraging
thing I have seen in a while.

If Beth is securing a NL lawyer, can this lawyer have access to the files in Aruba?  Remember Mos says JQK could look at the files but not leave the room with them or make copies.  Not much help but if Beth has a Dutch lawyer who can read the files those files don't have to leave the office.

I would never post a rumor...This info is from the MB student's interviews.
An older guy seen with Nastalee in the casino (30 minutes)
An older local guy seen with Natalee at the pool
Kissel says he made friend's with waiters/bartenders and drove with them to C&C...AS he sees Natalee leaving, he says to himself
Paraphrase: "I drove here in THE car, I guess it's okay she leaves in THE car"
It can't be Deepak's car he is refering to.

#1 If you are going to post something from a student interview then I suggest also posting the link to it.

#2  Huh? What do you mean it can't be Deepak's car.  Not following you at all.  The way I took his comment was to mean that he (Ed) had made friends with a waiter and since Joran had been hanging around the MB kids, and had also said he was staying at the HI, it was OK for Natalee to get a ride home with him.

Did Greta have anything on tonite?  If so I must have missed it.

Nope, nada, nothing

Actually, it can.

Debra ... thank you for posting the link to that interview.

I have saved the transcript to that interview but ... I never realized how close Boeti was camped to the Holiday Inn ... how close he was camped to the outside entrance to Natalee's room ... how close he was camped to the rooms of other Holiday Inn guests.

Another reason not to go to Aruba ... drug addicts camped right out side your hotel room.

Janet

O/T sortof

Posted at RU by All10suspects:

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/1578641/?d_feature_story=1

Valentine's Day Search of Homes
From NC WANTED Staff

Posted: Jul. 11, 2007 2:31 a.m.
Updated: Feb. 18, 2008 9:29 p.m.

DETAILS IN THE ALLEGATIONS
NC WANTED confirmed that the Wake County Sheriff's Office along with the SBI served search warrants on Thursday, February 14 at the homes of Jason Young's mother, Pat Young, in Brevard, and also his sister, Heather McCracken, in Etowah.

Reports indicate Jason Young has been living with his sister, Heather McCracken since the murder of his wife, Michelle Young.

No warrants have been returned to the Wake County courthouse at this time, and sources indicated the warrants have been sealed.

The entire Young family has been tight-lipped about Michelle’s murder and Jason’s status as a suspect.

Michelle Young was found bludgeoned to death in her Raleigh home on November 3, 2006.

The case garnered national media attention, but no arrests have been made.

Jason Young was named a suspect on November 7, 2006 in a Non-Testimonial Identification Order signed by Judge Donald Stephens of Wake County.

The Wake County Sheriff's Office maintains that Jason Young has not been cooperative in the investigation, and will not speak with them about the murder of his wife, Michelle Young.

Soon after the murder in Raleigh, Jason Young packed up and moved to the mountains to live with his sister, Heather McCracken, and has avoided answering questions from authorities.

Heather McCracken's home and property were searched on February 14, 2008.

Jason Young's mother, Pat Young, told NC WANTED, "He is doing what he's been told to do, and that is all you need to know."

On Valentine's day, authorities also searched the home and property of Pat Young.


I put this here because the thread for Michelle Young has been closed.
Looks like Jason family is not helping out. Protecting their son at all costs. Sound familar?