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What Does Freddie Know?  

Several references have been made by suspects in the disappearance of
Natalee Holloway about the knowledge of another suspect - Freddie Alexander Arambatzis.

There have been references made regarding Freddie about Joran's shoes,
Natalee remaining "passed out", a camera, and Freddie knowing "the truth".


Diario 12/6/2006  
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/12/6/

...the fact that Joran had already on the 30th of May
told Freddy the story about the Holliday Inn and that Joran told Freddy
also that “they” went into panic when Natalee remained “passed out”!



Statement
Freddy Zedan
June 12th 2005  

The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.

He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.


Freddie was brought to the van der Sloot home after he spoke with
Aruban authorities in the early days of this investigation.
He was grilled by Joran's parents as to what he told police regarding their son, and Natalee Holloway.

Freddie states that Joran told him they had left Natalee at the beach, while at the same time Joran was still telling authorities he and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe had left Natalee at the Holiday Inn


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 18, 2005  

“I believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone with the girl to the beach. (With Freddy is meant the witness Freddy ZEDAN; comment TROMP).

Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police.
He had called my wife and had said that he found it important to tell the truth. After that he came over to us and he first talked to my wife. After that he came back one time and and he spoke with Joran's lawyer, his parents, me and my wife were also present. My wife and myself were very crushed/saddened/injured and angry at Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran about this. According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005  

To your question whether Freddy ZEDAN came to our house out of his own accord or whether I had invited him, I can state the following. According to me Freddy phoned my wife after he had been questioned by the police. According to me he and his girlfriend came over to see my wife and he told what he had stated to the police. I was busy in the kitchen and did not hear everything Freddy was saying. Only at
the end of the conversation I joined them. My wife and I were angry at Joran, because he did not tell the truth from the beginning. My wife planned to confront Joran with Freddy's statements. That night we were going to have a meeting with Mr. A. CARLO, this was a previously planned meeting. My wife called Freddy again and asked him if he could tell his story again to Joran's lawyer. At first he didn't want to come because he had an exam the very next day but in the end he and his parents came over. He then told the story he knew to Joran's lawyer. I am convinced that Mr. CARLO did this with the best intentions possible


JORAN'S BOOK
Page 154, Freddy after his June 12 statement:

(Joran) That night Freddy, per request of my mother, visited, to tell
everything.

Freddy's parents are coming along, because they do not find it a good idea that Freddy goes alone. Besides my father Paul and my mother Anita.
My lawyer Anthony Carlo is also present at our home per request of my mother.

My mother asks Freddy to tell everything again.

Freddy: I could see on Anita's face that she did not know Joran had left the girl on the beach and that he has lost his shoes.

I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran.

Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as in amazed).

Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes behind.

Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably left them behind because of that.

Freddy tells the beach story again that I would have told him on Monday May 30.

Carlo in between asks questions all the time.

Freddy: I felt he asked me those things because he thought that me as a good friend of Joran could understand why he had done these things. I do not believe he asked those questions because he thought Joran would have told me, because he repeated every time: Why do you think that?

My father does not ask Freddy anything, but he does react on Freddy's answers to my mother. He says: why does Joran lie, and why did he not tell us that? My mother had promised the conversation would last 10 minutes max, but after half an hour Freddy's father gets up.

My parents did not agree with Joran's parents having invited me, Freddy says.

After Carlo had called the head officer for permission to visit me, he confronts me with what Freddy had said. I immediately admitted I had lied and that Freddy was telling the truth.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005  

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sneakers/sport shoes that night. If you search/investigate his home then you will see that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he had theft them on the beach.
To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else,
than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy,
I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the
truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 30, 2005  

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005  

On your question who Joran's best friend is:
Freddy Zedan is Joran’s best friend. Freddy knew about the invented Holiday Inn and the tale which my brother and I and Joran told and that the missing girl was dropped off at the beach at the Marriott. My brother Deepak had told me that he and Joran invented the tale but to Freddy the beach tale was told. I thought that stunk, because I was not aware Freddy was told the beach tale. (note: tale does not necessarily mean lie, could mean story).

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing.

...the second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja. I do not remember his house number. We had bought food and we then we went to Joran’s apartment afterwards. According to me Freddy
was informed then already about the missing girl. We may have spoken some about the missing girl, it is possible but I don’t remember.

You ask me if I was scared when we were talking with Freddy about the missing girl. It is possible that I don’t remember. I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.


Wednesday June 22, 2005
While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:  

D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows


Deepak and Satish are being questioned in Orangestad at the same time and are transported back to KIA along with Joran in a minivan. The following conversation is recorded:


Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, f*** you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your
father. You know it. That he wasn't arrested.


Freddie himself was detained by authorities in this case - and then subsequently released. .

Diana Emerencia - Freddy's attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005  

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

*Did Freddie have involvement in Natalee's disappearance?

* What "truth" does Freddie know that could shed light on the circumstances surrounding this tragic crime?

* Why did the Kalpoe brothers need to give a camera to Freddy?

* What sort of history regarding similar crimes do Freddie and Joran share?

* Why did Paulus and Anita need to find out what Freddy told police?

* Has Freddie told Aruban authorities all he knows about what happened to Natalee Holloway?
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com

Posted by Glenda at RU:

Patrick van der Eem has met with the OM.  No details yet, just that they met.

From ARUBA DIRTY POLICE back in Marck of 2006:

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006/03/aruba-police-identify-new.html

Excerpt:

On June 11, 2006 spokespersons for the Arban Justice Minister and the Aruban Law Enforcement released statements to two media outlets that there was an admission that something bad happened; Natalee was confirmed dead; the location of her body was known; and the suspect who made the admission was leading the family and authorities to the scene. The statements of these spokespersons were retracted.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, WAS CONFIRMED DEAD dead and that authorities KNEW THE LOCATION OF HER her BODY. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

Deputy Police Commissioner, Gerold Dompig, told The Associated Press that one of three young men arrested in the case ADMITTED "SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene. Prosecutors refused to comment on Dompig's statement, and DOMPIG HIMSELF REFUSED TO IDENTIFY which of the three young men who took Holloway to the Northern beach the night she went missing made the statement.

Jossy Mansur:

van susteren: Do you know when he supposedly made that statement to the police? Was it early on in his detention, or even before his detention or later?

Mansur: No, it was when they had let them free. And when he came back, they (INAUDIBLE) him in as a suspect. On the second day of that detention, he broke down completely. He cried, and he admitted to the police, he confessed to the police that, we buried Natalee.
van susteren: Did he say where he'd buried Natalee?

Mansur: He gave them indications. They put him in a police car. They brought him over here to the north of the Marriott Hotel, and he pointed towards some indistinct area by the fishermen's huts. Those are huts that the fishermen use them to guard their equipment, their nets, their knives, whatever they use in fishing.

Spencer Bachus:

He declined to give details. “The circumstances were disturbing,” said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI’s involvement. “I can’t get into it, but it’s something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off.”
Stanley Zaadam:

2 Days after 5/29, the body of Natalee may have already been found and the Police Commissioner looked the other way to do a favor for Paulus van der sloot (ex-Chief of Staff of the Prosecutor General J. Zwinkels) To exculpate the son of Paulus, the Police Commissioner and Fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of 2 security guards, Jones and John, called this a "tactical maneuver" and denied them their freedom for 10 days.

Tim Miller:

Something has happened to Natalee. I am not convinced in any way that Natalee could possibly be alive.

I think somebody knew what they was doing. I don't even know if these boys know where she's at.

But you know what? If we don't search, there is absolutely no chance...

ROWLANDS: What do you mean by that?

MILLER: I don't know. Something could of happened higher up with people that got more money and more influence, and stuff making sure she's not found.

But I don't know. I mean, it's heartbreaking.

Jan van der straaten:

"Sure we have shark places, but it has nothing to do with this investigation." "This is a murder case."

Steve Croes:

He comes forward to corroborate a lie and leaves saying he "knows nothing." Then he threatens to sue Beth Twitty.

Rudy Croes:

"She is back in all sorts of programs where she calls upon Americans to avoid Aruba as vacation destination. “I can’t understand her attitude. We did everything possible to find her daughter”, said Croes. He hopes of course that one day the teenager will show up, but he said that badmouthing would definitely not contribute to that. Croes does not consider taking measures against Twitty yet, but does not rule out the possibility to shut her up in the future."

Joran Van der Sloot:

"How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing."

Aruba Must Think Ahead


February 20th 2008, Aruba.


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A monorail in Aruba, a matter of time for it to come


ORANJESTAD-As Aruba's population and tourism industry continues to
expand, there is growing pressure on the island's infrastructure. There is
more congestion and longer commute on the island. As matter of fact, the
infrastructure in Aruba has not expanded enough to accommodate the
substantial growth of the past 25 years. If nothing is done to alleviate the
problem, congestion could have serious implications on future economic
growth.

The Aruba Chamber of Commerce believes that the island should
seriously consider a monorail system and/or light rail. They are serious
alternatives to the car. An efficient layout of a monorail system on the
island, should alleviate congestion and reduce pollution.

Imagine a monorail that starts from the Palm Beach hotel corridor going
through Eagle Beach low-rise hotel sector, heading for the bus terminal in
Oranjestad, passing behind main street Oranjestad, heading to a stop at
the airport, and then on running parallel to the highway from the airport
towards San Nicolas. This will reduce commute time considerably and
eradicate congestion.

The idea of a monorail is not new in Aruba. The political leader of Real
Democracy, Andin Bikker proposed a monorail as an alternative on the
island during the last election. Andin Bikker has proposed a line between
San Nicolas and Oranjestad, with later expansion to Palm Beach and
other districts.

The Aruba Chamber of Commerce will present the alternative of monorail
and light rail during the conference on energy policy to be held later this
year. In addition, oil recourses will not last forever. Monorail and light rail
do not require gasoline and are environmentally friendly alternatives.

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The light rail alternative for Aruba

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=55202

Joran Van der Sloot:

"How they acted towards my family and friends is not the way a normal family acts when their daughter is missing."


THE RAGE WILL NOT GO AWAY

Hey Rob!

Off topic here, but wanted top tell you that Nifong cannot use his bankruptcy ploy after all!;  New lacrosse lawsuit filing, announcement will be today, see:
http://www.dukelawsuit.com/
[ Great lawfirm handling the new litigation ].

JORAN'S BOOK
Page 154, Freddy after his June 12 statement:

I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran.

Anita could not believe everything I was telling. (as in amazed).

Carlo asks several times why Freddy thinks that Joran left his shoes behind.

Freddy answers: Joran did not want to walk with his shoes on the beach and probably left them behind because of that.

   
Paul van der Sloot statement June 23rd 2005

>>>SNIP
   To your question whether Joran on Monday May 30th 2005
hadn't been complaining about pain in his feet and legs and whether
he had told me that he would not take a tennis lesson, I can state
the following. Joran occasionally has complaints like that. He sometimes
also complains about back-aches. Whether he complained that Monday,
I cannot remember.

 To your question whether I can remember if Joran complained
from legs in his feet or legs during the period from May 30th 2005 to
June 9th 2005, I can state the following. I can remember that between
the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested
Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet. I cannot remember
however if he specifically complained about that on Monday.

   To your question whether I asked him what could have caused
the pains, I can state the following. No, I did not ask him. He complained
about these kinds of pains from time to time.

   To your question whether I knew what the causes were of these pains,
I can state the following. I assumed that they were general pains of being
tired/being sore. I had not attributed them to a specific reason.
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The connection between Joran missing his shoes, Freddy offering to buy him new ones, and the police questioning Paulus about whether or not Joran complained about his feet or legs hurting, and his having a bachache still eludes me. The connetion is there....just need to find out what it is.  There is definately something known to ALE prior to this line of questioning .....just as ALE asked Jug about Natalee having a history of seizures already knowing of Jorans confession and his description of her seizure like activity allegedly on the beach. They knew........

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LOL the way the streets flood in Aruba with just a small amount of rain .....hope they make them submersible.

The absolute arrogance of them all is still just too galling. 

Han Mos is waiting on Patrick Van der Eem to VOLUNTEER a declaration!!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

What I fail to comprehend is why Patrick Van der Eem and Peter Devries were not brought in for interrogation as witnesses by the Aruban Law Enforcement or the Prosecution IMMEDIATELY following the airing of the video recording?

Logic implies that Peter Devries and Patrick Van der Eem's primary role in the production of this video recording would dictate that their respective witness declaration should have been a crucial evidence to be considered the three judge panel that ruled in Joran's favor.

It is something akin to Jug Twitty's impression when the "powers that be" in the investigation failed to take statements from his friends or the DEA who saw and witnessed all that took place on the morning of May 31, 2005.  Jugs impression ... "They did not want to know the truth."

Janet

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http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/19/holloway_figure_to_be_questioned_in_aruba/9269/

Holloway figure to be questioned in Aruba
Published: Feb. 19, 2008 at 11:20 AM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Feb. 19 (UPI) -- Aruba's justice department has summoned Patrick van der Eem for questioning as a potential witness in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Van der Eem is the 34-year-old Dutchman who was able to befriend Joran van der Sloot and secretly record him giving alleged details of the U.S. student's mysterious disappearance in May 2005 in Aruba. Holloway, then 18, was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island.

The Netherlands news agency ANP Tuesday said Van der Eem's appearance was mandatory and could land him in custody.

He told ANP he would cooperate while in Aruba where he is vacationing and meeting with the author of a book about the Holloway case.

"I have nothing to hide, but I also know how to keep my mouth shut," he said. "But I am on the prosecution's side, all they have to do is phone me and I'll be there."

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http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_to_question_van_der_sloo.php

Aruba to question Van der Sloot's 'friend'
Tuesday 19 February 2008

The Aruban public prosecutor wants to question Patrick van der Eem as a witness in the Natalee Holloway case, reports Tuesday's NRC.

Chief justice Hans Mos told the paper Van der Eem could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily.

Van der Eem befriended suspect Joran van der Sloot and secretly recorded him confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died. He is currently on Aruba working on a book about the disappearance of the US teenager.

According to Van der Eem he has nothing to hide and the public prosecutor only has to ring him.  

The the rights to the book, which is being ghost written by the American novelist Elizabeth Byars, will be auctioned off. Publication of the book, titled Disposed, is set for September.

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http://www.tiscali.nl/content/article/nbinn/om_aruba_wil_van_der_eem_verhoren/575685.htm

OM Aruba wants to hear Van der Eem

UTRECHT / ORANJESTAD - 19-02-2008 - Justice on Aruba intends to hear Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. That needs not be done on a voluntary basis, believes Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos.

Van der Eem, who managed to elicit statements from Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance-case, runs the risk to be temporarily incarcerated.  “He has already told his story to many media and must now explain it to us once,” says Mos Tuesday. The attitude of justice surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba now to tell about his experiences as a mole to the American writer E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) for a book to be recorded.

“I have nothing to hide in this ..."

"I am on the side of the OM (Publ.Pros.Off.), they only have to call me, ask and I will be there."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Monosubs.

prepare to laff your ass off!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CASn2Err21Y

Not about the shoes, but could Joran have hurt his back trying to carry Natalie?

Sorry

Natalee

Hi Ono - sweet ... thanks

Peter Derives and Patrick Van der Eem were one in obtaining this recording of Joran's incriminating words.  Peter Derives appeared as a guest on more talk shows than Patrick.  Yet ... it is Patrick Van der Eem who is being threatened with arrest for talking too much and ... not "volunteering" to be interrogated.

Something is not right.

When it is consider that Hans Mos waited for almost three weeks following the airing of the video recording to express interest in interrogating a primary witness ... one week following the three judge panel's ruling in Joran favor ... this wannabe detective suspects that Patrick's shady past is going to be dug into and held against him and ... if Patrick dares to continue to buck the Aruban coverup ....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005

COMBS: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported.  That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

 ::MonkeyDance::

as long as it is up high enough to sustain the abnormal amount of sweat that perspires from paulus' forehead, they should be fine. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

he is either on vacation, or retired, like everyone else in the case...

If Joran lost/left his own shoes, why on earth would Freddy volunteer to buy him new ones?  What kinda BS is that?  If I lost my shoes (and I did lose a nice pair of black patent leather heels but that's a whole 'nother show biz thing), I would certainly not call up my best friend and expect them to buy me new shoes.  I don't get it at all. Call me crazy but if I lost something I would expect to have to replace it myself.

i just want to say after watching yesterday's greta: the dutch media is way way behind.
they still ignore the corruption/cover-up. that's why i continue to encourage to write the dutch media and the dutch members of parliament.
(earlier i posted a list with email-addresses)
if the dutch put pressure on aruba, they might have to act.
next week the parliament is back in session.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gensing7000
thanks for putting this on youtube.
very few dutch cable operators bring FOX News and none CNN USA.

bladerunner wrote;


IMO all would be linked. I suppose it would be possible that Joran might hurt his back trying to carry Natalee. But, the most likely way for joran to hurt his feet would be carrying Natalee without his shoes through something difficult to walk on. He has said he hid her in the mangroves which is a very possible thing to do. The other thought would be
carrying Natalee through  shallow water out to a boat....there is lots of rock and gravel along much of the shoreline, except perhaps directly in-front of the hotels......makes walking very very tough.....just thinking out loud......

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

found this somewhere dont know if it is already known

I read in the legal docs that K2 were exchanging emails with a literary agent about a possible book deal. Did I miss this previously?

What if in one of his first statements where he may have described Natalee shaking etc, he also told the story of dumping his shoes and walking home. A 40 min barefoot walk home on aruban streets may cause injury to the feet.

Klaas, did you see the FP posts from Wolf Hunters?  About spending tourism's money for them? 

Pretty clever.  Kind of amusing.  If I knew how to grab 2-3 of those posts, I would.  But I don't.

Could someone tell me why joran said the shoes were size 14 it turned out later he had size 10?

I don't see the big doughy Dutchboy walking home barefoot or not.  I think early on Greta had her cameraman pan the road to show that walking barefoot would be unwise and most people wouldn't do it.  I just don't see the sporter being fit enough to take a long hike home barefoot. 

Hi JE.. Klaas has a picture that explains it all. ::MonkeyWink::

Apparently someone told him people with big feet also had big equipment.  Little did he know.  Big hands, big feet.  Big shoes, big gloves. 

According to me, Joran said his shoes were size 14 because he is a lying POS.

Rob i ve seen that pic LOL I was just wondering why someone would so wrong about their shoe size.

the best theory I have seen  has Joran and Deepak at the Racquet club and Joran stealing a pair of shoes that were size 14.

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Or maybe he watched too much OJ Simpson and thought i ll lie about my shoe size just in case they find em. I can then always say: If the shoes dont fit you must acquit

#  Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 11:52 am

i have been asking everyone i know to keep sending out for information to aruba tourism
call them, email them, fax them, ask them to PLEASE SEND information on how i can get some info on going to ARUBA.. i want flight details, hotel details, etc send me everything. heheeheheheheh

at last count i had 476 people doing it..and i will have another few thousand very soon.

all it is doing is costing ARUBA TOURISM money and they are getting nothing out of it BECAUSE
NONE of the people are EVER EVER EVER going to go to aruba EVER.. mailings cost money, answering phones costs money, printing more brochures cost more money

i am attempting to sink them all by myself
but of course if anyone wants to get on board the FREIGHT TRAIN.. come on in.

DONT MESS WITH WOLF HUNTERS
i have many more ideas to bring the tourism to a screeching halt.
# Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 11:55 am

“hi, this is wolf hunter, i am interested in getting 400 people to go on a vacation to aruba
can you please send me 400 brochures to 400 different addreses. thank you very much”

signed,
WOLF HUNTERS

a 12 step program for justice

WOLF HUNTERS
# Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 11:57 am

ARUBA is getting just what they deserve

no justice - no tourism

they will eat their own

they are starting to joran and paulus but because they are so rancid, people are getting sick.

better call dompig - he can solve it
# Wolf Hunters on February 21st, 2008 12:00 pm

when you see a aruba company, call them and tie up the 800 lines (if they offer them) and just ask lots of questions. send me more info please
thank you so much, cant wait to get there. NOT
no justice = no money
aruba,you want a boycott ? you got one JERK OFFS

 ::MonkeyDance::

Billb - Welcome and thank you!

I speculate that he is hiding out with Mickey John ... a potential witness who dared to implicate Paulus van der Sloot in the coverup that has been denying Natalee Holloway justice from day one.

Janet

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Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN:.......He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html

Was there a story about Deepak hitting a girl in his car and if so who was the girl?

seems I remember it was in the conversation that took place in the police car between D and J....

Thanks for the welcome Klaasend.
Been a lurker since june 05 and am amazed at the talented posters / detectives at scared monkeys....
Hoping for good news out of the Dateline show tomorrow with the Persistence effort. Can this be the final break needed? I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I stand with the girl.
 

Roy Tromp should know if Paulus van der Sloot changed his story ... Tromp was Paulus' interrogator.

Janet


Phil McGraw - Disclosure Log
Paulus van der Sloot
Name: Paulus van der Sloot
Date: 23 June 2005 / 14:30
Pages: 13
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp  

I'm looking forward to the Dateline show as well especially after Kyle's post at BFN about things getting interresting.  I'm also keeping my fingers crossed.  I know the Persistence was at the point of looking now at the 100+ targets they had marked so who knows?

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 1, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

TWITTY: Oh, you know, Rita, not only hearing that, but I actually saw it come across someone's Blackberry, a reporter, where Deepak was saying that he wanted $250,000 in a book or a movie deal. You know, and I had to see it, like I said, come across a reporter's Blackberry. Deepak's been reaching out to various reporters in the United States since early on.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

Welcome to the cage BillB  ::MonkeyCool::

The worst is getting bits of coral in your feet from the ocean floor.
You can't see it, but can hardly walk until it is removed with a needle.

This may have already been posted - from Amigoe.com/English

Big drop in number of cruise passengers 

ORANJESTAD – It appears from the monthly report of the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) that compared to December 2006, the room occupancy of the hotels as well as the number of cruise passengers dropped in the same month in 2007.   Although the room occupancy of the hotels dropped in December, there was a growth in 2007.   

Not only did the cruise passengers drop in December of 2007, but also the number of cruise ships that visited the island; with respectively 8.3 and 11.8 percent.  Over the entire 2007, the number of cruise passengers dropped to 481.775, 18.5 percent less than in 2006 and the number of cruise ships remained that same as in 2006.     

Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has not yet published the number of tourists that stayed on the island and those that just spent the night during August till December inclusive.   

The CBA has therefore used the figures of AAA on the number of travelers that came to Aruba via air.  These numbers increased for the first 11 months of 2007 with 9.8 percent.  These figures only give an indication of a growth or drop in the tourism season, because the length of the stay was not considered. 


http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Not to mention glass from broken bongs, pipes, and beer bottles.  Used hypodermic needles, snad scrap metal from all the wrecks!

Welcome Billb!!!

Magnolia - I agree with you about the coral - or even crushed seashells.

I just had an odd thought - probably way off base, but could the blood in K2's car be from Joran's bloody feet?  There sure were alot of questions about the condition of his legs/feet..

The shoes issue has always stuck out to me - Just like the "she hit her head" comments.

one more thing about the shoes

On june 9 2005:To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.

No recollection of white shoes or boots

On june 14 2005:told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.

Lots of detail here: white and blue K swiss size 14 bought in USA

Usually memory doesnt get better as time elapses.
Has it ever been checked if one of his friends or Paulus has size 14 shoes?

Daddy picked them up.

What if the reason Freddie was willing to replace Joran's shoes is that something Freddie suggested caused the shoes to be ruined or lost?  Somebody who'd be willing to replace my shoes would probably be somebody I really trusted, perhaps to take something they did to the grave.

Thank you JE.

The witness and suspects statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish are chalked full of inconsistencies ... lie after lie after lie after lie.  The truth does not change ... there is no need to "get stories straight".

Janet

++++++++

Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 3, 2005

TWITTY: You know, not only that, Nancy. Deepak gives a detailed statement on Paulus Van Der Sloot`s role in this, how Paulus hired the lawyers, arranged for the lawyers, called them over to his home, instructed the boys not to use their cell phone, they could be bugged. Also told them how to get their stories straight  and then use their email, then begin emailing the story and use your hard drive to nail an alibi.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

Hello, Everyone.

I haven't read back (sorry, busy), so I don't know if y'all are aware of this, but today's NY Post online (nypost.com) has a note in its Page Six section that says the guy who taped the confession of JVDS is going to write a book about it; including the entire transcript of the tapes (20 hours, I think) and texts between him and JVDS.

Feel free to change the faces at any time. I'm just practicing.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/watergate21.jpg)

i am sure about that. at least the cover-up angle, maybe the broader corruption angle.

have you seen Peter R. de Vries first broadcast about this case in 2006?
all about how messed up the investigation went from the start and PvdS involvement.
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Sloot4.jpg)
Peter R. de Vries will not let JvdS / PvsS screw up his international career.
in a few months time or earlier he will broadcast a follow up.


about some dutch missing person cases he made dozens of broadcasts over years until the truth came out.
some are not solved as of yet.
december 2007 he did a follow up to a few cases (nicky verstappen and gonda smit) and and the end of the program peter r. de vries got emotional.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/dossierindextot.htm

Wanted to bump this from the other thread:

That's awesome!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Trust your soles! As the country song goes, “men don’t change and shoes don’t stretch.”

US size 14 is the largest size most buyers order for their store. The size always goes on sale because the average Mens shoe size is 10 and 11. Maybe Joran bought the shoes on a clearance sale even though the shoe didn't fit. The only problem if your shoes don't fit well and you go in the water they come off.

Thanks amanda.

I am skeptical regarding Hans Mos desire to interrogate Patrick Van der Eem.  The timing is very suspicious.  It has been three weeks since the airing of the video recording.  It has been one week since the three judge panel ruled in Joran van der Sloot's.  Why now?

Think about it ... it was not until the revelation of Patrick's impending book that Hans Mos felt the need to interrogate.

I speculate that Patrick's shady past will be dug into ... he will be confronted with this past ... he will be intimidated into silence ... possibly compensated and ... the book will never be forthcoming.

There is no way that Aruba is going to allow the entire 20 hours video recording of Joran van der Sloot telling all ... to be exposed.

There is a pattern in regards to witnesses in the Natalee Holloway case who speak out to the media.  They are never heard from again ... it is as if their spoken words never happened.

Inquiring minds want to know ... "Why?"

Janet 

++++++

Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005

COMBS: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

Thank you Blade.  Viet Vet's words are well worth the "bump".

Janet

If I were Paulus Octavius Antonius Tiberius Caligula Van Der Sloot, I would be fearing Godfather Peter R is about to drop the big one on Montanja 19.

Book Due on Natalee Suspect

Posted Thu. Feb. 21, 2008 7:04am by Page Six

PATRICK van der Eem, the Dutchman who befriended Natalee Holloway's suspected killer, Joran van der Sloot, and got him to admit dumping her body in the Aruban sea, is peddling his story. Insiders say van der Eem, who's represented by David Vigliano Associates, is selling a book about his bizarre friendship with van der Sloot. Included in the tome would be transcripts of 20 hours of video he made of van der Sloot that no one except the Aruban prosecutor has seen and in which the cocky youth reportedly made self-incriminating statements. In the tapes, van der Sloot claimed he and a friend got rid of Holloway's body after she mysteriously died of a seizure while having sex with him. An insider said, "The tapes, and Patrick's interaction with Joran, paint a picture of a guy who has the same capacity to project innocence and the cold-blooded demeanor that enabled him to lie for three years about the events of that tragic night in Aruba." Van der Eem also has hundreds of never before revealed text messages from van der Sloot and exclusive photos.

http://www.pagesix.com/story/book+due+natalee+suspect

Paulus

No time line

No alibi

makes phone calls in the middle of the night - and isn't sure if he's doing it or not

uses his wife's phone

his attorney was captured on video saying Joran played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee

need to be "layered like an onion"

driving around all hours of the night

two vehicles confiscated

was wired tapped stating he had two contacts with Natalee

the KLPD goes to his house first and digs up the yard and runs ground penetrating radar/sonar all over the dump

allegations - premeditated murder

uses internet to look up effects of drugs and alcohol on teenagers

uses internet to look up phone numbers of attorneys

smuggles a phone to his incarcerated son

makes alleged mystery trip to Florida after Natalee disappears

is caught on casino video sitting right next to Natalee after he allegedly left the casino

is spotted by Fred Golba in the rock area and their eyes lock

gets job working for his son's attorney


-please feel free to add-





 

I guess we now know that Hans DID threaten him despite saying he never did since its clear--at least the way that last quote reads--that the text messages have NOT been seen by "the powers that be". Maybe this is why Peter was so confident that Joran will stand trial, he knows a lot more than he's is willing to tell at the momement.

I think I just heard a pin drop in Aruba!       ::MonkeyShocked::

Rob,

How about suing to prevent the FBI from getting involved in the case?

Still working in the prosecutors office while his son and them he were arrested?

Did not clean out his office until August

Hi Folks,

84 Lumber a home important business is offering a free trip to Aruba in their rewards program.

http://www.84lumber.com/InnerCircle/default.asp

This is listed under Press releases...

PRESS ROOM

http://www.84lumber.com/pressroom/default.asp?type=

For additional information, please contact Jeff Nobers, Vice President of Corporate Communications, at 800.664.1984 ext. 1585 or by email at nobersj@84lumber.com, or Robyn Hall, Public Relations Manager, at 800.664.1984 ext. 2071 or by email at hallr@84lumber.com.

ummmm, think these folks need to hear from us...

MOO

OS

What about his DNA on that letter??

important=improvement-geez...

that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble  

Klaas ... do you know if the book is being written in English?

Janet

Made two mysterious trips to the bank on June 1

I would guess without question it would be published in both Dutch and English.

Peaches...I would assume that Freddy *offered* to buy Urine new shoes is because...Freddy *saw* what was on those shoes, and told Urine they had to be disposed of...JMO   Tha's the only Reason I would offer to buy someone some new, very expensive shoes...to keep evidence implicating me, out of the picture...still running to catch up Monks ;-)

Since it's been promoted by an American firm, I would assume it will definately be in English and most likely in Dutch as well.  Definately English though.

I agree...no logical reason that I can think of. The only thing that comes to mind is what a dichotomy Freddy appears to be. We have seen pics of him wearing church robes, and yet I recall early in the case as I am sure others do, how on his Tickle site he listed one of his favorite things to do was "F _ _ _ ing at parties" .

I know this is a stretch, but if Joran lost a shoe while involved in some evil activity with Freddy , Freddy might just try to ingratiate himself with the Sloots by buying Joran shoes a half assed attempt to lessen the blow.....does anyone remember Wally from Leave it to Beaver? Freddy is an evil Wally.......might make you believe he is God's gift to MIL....hmmm I've heard that before too.....

I agree......he wouldn't have walked it. MOO

The following appears to be an official interrogator's report ... similar to the one that Blonde posted.  Could the origins of this translated statement be Joran's book or ... is this one of the translated documents/statements that we have already been privy to?

Anyways ... this interrogator's report of June 24, 2005 implies that Joran is calling the shots ... Joran is protecting Paulus and ... Paulus is advising Joran from behind the scene through attorneys and Anita.

While in prison ... Joran really did not require the cell phone that his father provided ... the cell phone which Joran reveals in the Peter Devries' video recording.  Paulus had the means to advise his son  without visiting privileges.

Janet

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On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours, we, the reporting officers, went to the correctional facility Aruba to pick up suspect “Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT” to be questioned.

There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:

- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;

- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;

- that he would receive a message from his father’s lawyer when he should make statements;

- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

- that he listens to his families advise;

- that the lawyers “Antonio CARLO” and “OOMEN” are good friends of his father

- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble  

- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

- that his father even can’t remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds  

- that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends

- that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators

- that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence

- that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present

- that he wouldn’t come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day

- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her

- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so.

- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.

Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.

Good!

However ... in my heart ... I do not believe that an unedited version of Patrick Van der Eem's book will ever be forthcoming.

I hope I am wrong.

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::

When will they explain how a normal family acts when their daughter is missing?

Blade,  how do you get that Mos DID threaten Patrick  out of this statement???

I think you are right Caesu, the Aruban government and ALE are the next target centered around Paulus and his buddies.

Joran opened up a big ole can of whupass on the very people that tried to protect him. How's that for gratification?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Where is ATA and AHATA in all this? They control the message. They are the official mouthpiece for Aruba. Is Antonio Carlo still calling the shots? Is Marlene Purcell still runniing the internet campaign? Where are Rudy and Nelson?

AND WHERE THE HELL IS TITO???

They are being called corrupt in the international media and have no answer for it.

Another less radical idea...encourage PVDS to continue filing compensation claims.  I wonder when he'll hit the jackpot?

Well, we do know that the original reports indicated that Hans was threatening arrest of Patrick if he did not come in "voluntarily". Then we hear that wasn't true, according to the Prosecutor's Office. Now we have this information from the NY Post:

"Included in the tome would be transcripts of 20 hours of video he made of van der Sloot that no one except the Aruban prosecutor has seen and in which the cocky youth reportedly made self-incriminating statements"

It doesn't say that the text messages and photos have been seen by the prosecutor. My guess is that Hans found out about this "other" evidence and got pissed off with Patrick and hence the threats we have seen in the media about arresting him.

Yeah, all I can hear are crickets right now coming out of Dirty Aruba

I've always wondered if perhaps Freddy was aware that something was amiss at the VDS compound.  Perhaps he was afraid for Joran's safety, when the shoes were discovered missing.

$300 doesn't go very far for a teenager these days.

I did read here a few days back that the first chapter of PDV's book *Disposed*, will be published by the NY Times...I think it was the Times...if so, I'm sure they have privy to *inside* information to cut this deal with PDV and his publisher...interesting to see what info they use to hype the upcoming book/first chapter...

mos is denying ever talking to a reporter about this.  he also says he doesn't even have the power to arrest patrick and wouldn't want to anyway.  imo, the telegraaf reporter talked to someone like julia who was blowing smoke up his skirt.  wouldn't be the first time she's misled somebody into printing garbage.  i read somewhere else today that patrick talk to mos today for awhile.  no details.
dennisintn

Mea Culpa...meant P.V..   slaps own paw....bad monkey!

You are right Joran, Beth didn't act like most people would have in her shoes, dealing with you. And aren't you glad, its nice being alive isn't it? Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, you are on a suicide watch because your life isn't worth living. Karma is a bitch ::MonkeyCool::

Hi everyone and thanks Klaasend! 

Something is extremely wrong with the people in charge in the Netherlands.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974167/posts

His girlfriend asked the same question saying 4 isn't 7:)

She should have shot him!

Later ya'll.  Gonna go play in traffic and rain.

This story is unbelievable!  Thanks for posting it!

Hello Monkeys!
I have been AWOL for quite awhile and am reading like crazy to catch up. It's good to see the monkeys are still going strong for Natalee! No wonder Joran lies, that seems to be the MO of every official on Aruba.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
monkey see, monkey do...
back to reading and catching up!

Hi everyone.

Does anyone have any links  to Anita being interviewed by Kimberly Guilfoyle of Fox new's in 2006?


Thanks Icehawk

Slapping paw again...hard!....meant to write EAMS.

See what happens when I read too much....eyes start to cross...brain cells scramble...it's Monkey Misfired Mind Syndrome...yep...that's the ticket ;-)

I am especially horrified this part "The woman has stated that the collision was an accident. The Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) initially concluded this as well, but later decided to prosecute her after all."

My pleasure and thanks for your help.

I think they are cock roaches you hear, scurrying undercover...hiding during the day....I see a klaas photo opportunity here!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

What evidence did they have?  Who made this leap of logic? 

Hard to get good cockroach pics  ::MonkeyHaHa::

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY AREN'T DENYING THAT THEY ARE CORRUPT!  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z217/rheemspoon/cockroach.gif)

Interesting that in the Netherlands they CAN have a public hearing?That would have come in handy for Natalee's family when they had their very secret court hearings with the family not allowed inside the courtroom.

Hello and G'Bye. I will make sure I look at the TV tomorrow....
Enjoyed Dana's show last night... Ms. Murphy sure tells it like it is ! 

Sarah understands Aruba’s
position on Justice matters

PHILIPSBURG--Constitutional Affairs Commissioner Sarah Wescot-Williams understands Aruba’s not wanting to let go of acquired constitutional rights such as having its own Attorney General.

While the Dutch Government has negotiated one Attorney General for Curaçao, St. Maarten and the BES islands Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba in the constitutional change process, Dutch Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin announced on Monday that Aruba would have its own Attorney General and that the Dutch Justice Minister’s authority to give instructions to the Attorney General would not apply to that island.

“Aruba in its discussions with the Minister always stated that the process of the Netherlands Antilles should not change what it has today; that is, its own Attorney General. While Aruba is a necessary partner in the process, it is going to make sure that changes it does not want will not happen,” Wescot-Williams stated during Wednesday’s Executive Council press briefing.

Regarding the position of St. Maarten towards Aruba not having its own Attorney General, the Commissioner said St Maarten was party to several agreements in the context of November 2, 2006.

“In there it’s clear how we think and look at the Attorney General and how we look at the authority of instruction by the Dutch Minister. Let’s realise these particular issues have been issues of much discussion ever since the signing of the November 2006 accord.”

She said everyone was looking at the advice of the Council of State on the matter of instruction by the Dutch Justice Minister in his capacity as member of the Kingdom Council of Ministers.

“The crucial part is article 43 of the Charter of the Kingdom. That is a guarantee function of the Kingdom. Only when there is a total breakdown in the areas of Justice, good governance or financial government can a member of the Kingdom Council of Ministers intervene.”
 



Copyright ©2006 The Daily Herald St. Maarten
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http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/k235/justice235.html

Is this a new site? I don't recall seeing this one before.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=338540994

Must be real...he only has 2 friends, lol. Seriously, I think it is fake. It seems anyone can upload pictures to it in the pics section.

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Feb. 21, 2008

Pathologist declares Kathleen Savio’s death a homicide

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Solving this case is like trying to catch a hullucination. Regardless of what you do, by definition the hallucination is always just out of reach no matter how real it appeard to be or takes another shape or form to allude capture. Now he can't confess because the truth isn't supported by his lies.

He was the last seen with her.
He leid about his alibi repeatedly, before a need to lie was know by all except the guilty
He framed 2 innocent people
The warden of the prison and others have testified to a severe anger management problem
He confessed twice, once in front of the FBI and the Aruban police, prosecutor, and prison employees, and the second time to the world, in the strictest of conficences, while he was interviewing to be a gangster. Instead, he became a turkey to all of his peers and an immature self centered bastard and killer to the rest of of the world. Criminals don't respect fools, no matter how mean and callous they are Joran.

In the beginning many use to type that Joran has told so many lies that he would not be able to confess because we will never know when he is telling the truth and I'll be damn if it hasn't turned out true.

 If we found a video of the deed, authenticated the people in it and the time. they would simply tell us that Joran and whomever and Natalee were just making a fiction movie, that it doesn't match the evidence or statements since all of that is either a lie or eliminated by the prosecutor and thus can't be accurate, and that we can't prove that even though Natalee's head is cut off that she is really dead.

I read here all the time but don't post.  I do have a question though - if I am incorrect please correct me.  Why is Patrick being forced to come in and give a statement to MOS or possibly be arrested if he doesn't?  If remember early on once the 3 suspects were released they had until January to "voluntarily come forward and make statements".  I thought I remembered Aruba saying this about kalpoes and Joran.  If I am wrong please correct me.  I thought I remembered Aruba couldn't force(arrest) them to make any additional statements - it had to be voluntarily.

I hope they get that cocky SOB. 

According to MOS he never said Patrick would be arrested, MOS claims that was made up by the Dutch publication De Telegraaf. 

According to reports, Patrick did meet with Mos today.

Because he is a witness to the statements of Joran and he has documentary evidence significant to the case. There has never been a real issue of him not being available or willing, but his information is so signifcant that he would be brought in IF he refused, IMO, the opinion of the minority:)

He is what Joran aspires to be ::MonkeyCool::

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Must be real...he only has 2 friends, lol. Seriously, I think it is fake. It seems anyone can upload pictures to it in the pics section.
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Nut, I tried to upload (snicker snicker) a photo from that link and it loads it into my own myspace account, not his.

Did I hear correctly that he wanted to be a contestant on the truth game show?

in other words, aruba gets the cake and eats it too.  they get to keep their larcenous ways without direct supervision from nl. 
dennisintn

Me2 Klaas...he is a true POS.

ITA Dennis
That's exactly what I got out of that article. :gaah:

Thank you Klass and Private EYE.  I guess I was confusing it.  BTW excellent job as usual.

Good now go after that POS Drew Peterson.

I wish they could find his 4th wife, and put the guy away forever!!  Get him away from those beautiful children.

I agree PI.  What Patrick Van der Eem and Peter Devries has to share with the Natalee Holloway investigation is very crucial but ... I contend a little late.

What I fail to comprehend is why Patrick Van der Eem and Peter Devries interrogated as witnesses by the Aruban Law Enforcement or the Prosecution IMMEDIATELY following the airing of the video recording?

Han Mos is waiting on Patrick Van der Eem to VOLUNTEER a declaration!!!  Why not just make a request and ... find out the response prior to threatening arrest?

Logic implies that Peter Devries and Patrick Van der Eem's primary role in the production of this video recording would dictate that their respective witness declaration should have been a crucial evidence to be considered by the three judge panel that ruled in Joran's favor.

It is something akin to Jug Twitty's impression when the "powers that be" in the investigation failed to take statements from his friends or the DEA who saw and witnessed all that took place on the morning of May 31, 2005.  Jugs impression ... "They did not want to know the truth."

Janet

++++++++++++

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/02/19/holloway_figure_to_be_questioned_in_aruba/9269/

Holloway figure to be questioned in Aruba
Published: Feb. 19, 2008 at 11:20 AM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Feb. 19 (UPI) -- Aruba's justice department has summoned Patrick van der Eem for questioning as a potential witness in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

Van der Eem is the 34-year-old Dutchman who was able to befriend Joran van der Sloot and secretly record him giving alleged details of the U.S. student's mysterious disappearance in May 2005 in Aruba. Holloway, then 18, was on a high school graduation trip to the Caribbean island.

The Netherlands news agency ANP Tuesday said Van der Eem's appearance was mandatory and could land him in custody.

He told ANP he would cooperate while in Aruba where he is vacationing and meeting with the author of a book about the Holloway case.

"I have nothing to hide, but I also know how to keep my mouth shut," he said. "But I am on the prosecution's side, all they have to do is phone me and I'll be there."

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http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/aruba_to_question_van_der_sloo.php

Aruba to question Van der Sloot's 'friend'
Tuesday 19 February 2008

The Aruban public prosecutor wants to question Patrick van der Eem as a witness in the Natalee Holloway case, reports Tuesday's NRC.

Chief justice Hans Mos told the paper Van der Eem could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily.

Van der Eem befriended suspect Joran van der Sloot and secretly recorded him confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died. He is currently on Aruba working on a book about the disappearance of the US teenager.

According to Van der Eem he has nothing to hide and the public prosecutor only has to ring him.  

The the rights to the book, which is being ghost written by the American novelist Elizabeth Byars, will be auctioned off. Publication of the book, titled Disposed, is set for September.

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http://www.tiscali.nl/content/article/nbinn/om_aruba_wil_van_der_eem_verhoren/575685.htm

OM Aruba wants to hear Van der Eem

UTRECHT / ORANJESTAD - 19-02-2008 - Justice on Aruba intends to hear Patrick van der Eem (34) as a witness in the Natalee Holloway-case. That needs not be done on a voluntary basis, believes Chief Public Prosecutor Hans Mos.

Van der Eem, who managed to elicit statements from Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance-case, runs the risk to be temporarily incarcerated.  “He has already told his story to many media and must now explain it to us once,” says Mos Tuesday. The attitude of justice surprised Van der Eem, who is on Aruba now to tell about his experiences as a mole to the American writer E.E. Byars (pseud. Elizabeth Byars) for a book to be recorded.

“I have nothing to hide in this ..."

"I am on the side of the OM (Publ.Pros.Off.), they only have to call me, ask and I will be there."

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Has this been posted already?

Thanks Icehawk

Icehawk - that is taken directly off the Judicial Inc site which is a very antisemitic site.

Blonde ... I still cannot figure out the source.  Was it one of the revealed statements or ... was it from Joran's book?

Janet

.... or shook him and took him out to sea.

Janet

Tamikosmom…I think this it …6/24 PV

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=193.0

Thank you Mum.

Janet


From BFN

PROCES – VERBAAL

We, Ghrizanti Anuar TROMP and Marcelino Antonio Gregory RAS respectively officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) declare the following.

On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours, we, the reporting officers, went to the correctional facility Aruba to pick up suspect "Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT" to be questioned.

There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.

The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:

- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;

- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;

- that he would receive a message from his father's lawyer when he should make statements;

- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;

- that he listens to his families advise;

- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father

- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them

- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble

- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond

- that his father even can't remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before

- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds

- that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends

- that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators

- that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence

- that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present

- that he wouldn't come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day

- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her

- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so

- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.

Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.

The reporting officers,

S.A. TROMP M.A.G. RAS

DUTCH:

   Icehawk, what is the point in sharing this ...we are here for Natalee looking for the truth and sounding off our frustration with the judicial sytem of Holland and Aruba as well as the callousness of the Vandersloot group and all the others involved....we never stooped to religious attack...most of the players in this case I would dare say are supposedly Christian....Christians who are anything but Christ-like...wherever you got this post I would suggest you stay awau from it since it is filled with hate..not for justice but for evil..the kind of evil that nourishes a Joran.   I appreciate the monks search and share but not this kind of hate material.  I am for Natalee.

   Thank you for informing Icehawk  about  that source.  We have so many truthful sites to use not a need to go to hateful places.   

Hi all!
first i would like to clear some things.
-peter r de vries is not solely working on the natalee case.
-peter r de vries said on television that joran did only say similar things on the rest of -  the confesssion tapes.
-i think moss wants to talk to patrick to see if patrick has a clue of how jorans mind works.
-i think patricks book will be published.
-untill proven otherwise i am under the distinct impression that Moss is really doing an effort to get joran behind bars.

btw, what do you think of my dove? it's waving friendly at all of you

I'd hope you are right.  Glenda at RU claims that Patrick did meet with MOS today.  Hopefully Patrick was able to help.

I love it!

hi klaasend, how are you doing?
i hope he could have helped, too

i'm coming down with the flu, so i'll join hubbie and call it a night. cu soon monkeys

Will be interresting to see if any information about their meeting leaks out tomorrow  ::MonkeyWink::

Doing good and you?

I found this post on Scrux.com. Looking for Anita's own words that she was in Holland with the other two boys.

i agree with you on each point, imnoangel.  post more.
dennisintn

Icehawk - you may have found the link at Scrux, but the link is a copy of everything on the Judicial Inc site.  There is alot of false information on the Judicial Inc site besides it being very antisemetic.

I know you were just trying to be helpful and didn't mean any harm.

Yes trying to be helpful. Thanks Klaasend.

In November, 2007 ... Hans Mos claims there was sufficient "new"  evidence to warranted further detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish.

In December, 2007 ... John Kelly, Jug Twitty, Beth Holloway and the defence attorneys were all on the same page ... there was not sufficient "new" evidence to warranted further detention.

In that same month ... the judge concurred with John Q. Kelly, Jug Twitty, Beth Holloway and the defence attorneys ... there was not sufficient evidence to warranted further detention.

Hans Mos ... what you did was despicable!  You forced the family of Natalee Holloway to once again climb onto the emotional roller coaster ride from H--- ... the emotional roller coaster ride from H--- that they have been riding for almost three years ... compliments of the "powers that be" in the Aruban coverup.

Janet

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ATTORNEYS - STRONG/SERIOUS SUSPICIONS JUSTIFY DETAINMENT

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH ARE DETAINED BY HANS MOS

Wed November 21, 2007
Three charged in Natalee Holloway's death

They are now charged with "involvement in the voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway or causing serious bodily harm to Natalee Holloway, resulting in her death," the statement said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/21/holloway.arrest/index.html


JOHN Q. KELLY, JUG TWITTY, BETH HOLLOWAY AND THE DEFENCE ATTORNEYS - EVIDENCE NOT SUFFICIENT

John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...
 
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.

<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html 


Jug Twitty
DANA PRETZER
December 21, 2007

TWITTY: ... she (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied  to them when he told them that there was new evidence.
Unofficial Transcript


Beth Holloway
The Lineup
December 2, 2007

As for the second part, yes Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel  After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.
Unofficial Transcript


Joe Tacopina - Defense Attorney
THE LINEUP
December 2, 2007

TACOPINA: There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence ...
Unofficial Transcript


Ronald Wix
Associated Press
December 20, 2007

Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix said ...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22345541/


THE JUDICIARY CONCURS - EVIDENCE NOT SUFFICIENT

Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
By NBC 13 Staff
E-mail
From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:

<snipped>

Since the release of all three suspects the Public Prosecutor’s Office has diligently considered and weighed all available evidence. It came to the opinion that the investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a Court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed, nor that her death has been caused by involuntary actions by either of the suspects. Neither was sufficient evidence gathered for sexual abuse. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three. It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.

<snipped>

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html

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Thanks Icehawk
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Icehawk - that is taken directly off the Judicial Inc site which is a very antisemitic site.
[/quote]   Thank you for informing Icehawk  about  that source.  We have so many truthful sites to use not a need to go to hateful places.   
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I found this post on Scrux.com. Looking for Anita's own words that she was in Holland with the other two boys.

[/quote]

Icehawk - you may have found the link at Scrux, but the link is a copy of everything on the Judicial Inc site.  There is alot of false information on the Judicial Inc site besides it being very antisemetic.

I know you were just trying to be helpful and didn't mean any harm.
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Yes trying to be helpful. Thanks Klaasend.
[/quote]     It is now  understood you were being helpful, I was upset since it was not like the monkeys to get into hateful sites.  It reminds all of us to be careful of what the message really is.  We here are all united For Natalee   With God"s  help,  justice is   guaranteed.   

I know I will probably add some fuel to a fire somewhere...
but I don't think Lorenzo is involved, Daury is PVDS and IMO the boat belonged to Koen's family (see Dave's book) and I don't believe from Beth's own mouth, that there was a phone call...
but what I DO believe is that K2 and jvds murdered Natalee and I stand with "the girl"

just some gasoline ....  ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok... now that i have stopped the board from reading old archives and making a wild statment in the middle of something else, I realize I am working far too much... and I am signing out.

Bye Monkeys... keep the faith and stand with the Girl!

While I TEND to agree, I take heart in Viet Vet's post on the FP attesting to the fact that "the family is holding some evidence back" as sort of an 'ace in the hole'. I think they have "proof" of the cover-up. JMO
I also take heart in Kyle's post today!

Hans Mos ... consider that John Q. Kelly, Beth Holloway and the defence attorneys all stated emphatically that you did not have sufficient "new" eveidence to warrant further detainment and ... lo and behold ... the judge concured ... IT CAN ONLY BE CONCLUDED THAT YOU MADE THE DECISION TO WITH HOLD THE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE ... THE EVIDENCE THE YOU AND TEN ATTORNEYS AGREED WAS THE SMOKING GUN.  I ASK ... "WHY?"

Janet

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Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.
http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


Hans Mos
On the Record with Greta
November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html

I Agree Wreck.....It's Not Over and I'm taking Kyle's advise and Staying Tuned!  ::MonkeyWink:: I Stand With The Girl!

Just doing a drive by, but

Corruption???

Well, no one can be successfully convicted or even tried as the result of a corrupt investigation.  Not in any system.  Defense attorney's Field Day.

Careful what you wish for!

Just saying. . . .

.

Hi mrs. red

I agree ... the "trusted" person that Joran contacted when "something bad happened" was his father.  Also ... I tend to believe that Beth's silence in her book LOVING NATALEE regarding the phone call implies ... she is hold back ... she knows something.

However ...

1.  I believe that a deceased Natalee was taken to Lorenzo's house that fateful morning and ... placed in his basement.

2.  I do not believe that Koen's boat was used to take Natalee out to sea.  I speculate if Natalee was taken out to sea ... she was transported in Lorenzo's boat on the east side of the Island in the first week of June, 2005.

3.  I do not believe that Joran, Deepak and Satish murdered Natalee.  I suspect that Natalee appeared to pass out at the VDS' as a result of wrongdoing at the hands Joran, Deepak, Satish and the pimps and ... was then taken to the beach to sleep it off ... when it was discovered that she was deceased.  Remember ... Joran told Greta ... they had done it 20 times before and ... nothing happened.  In other words ... I contend that Natalee's death was unintentional.

I concede I could be wrong ... just speculating like everybody else.

.... and like you Mrs. red ... I STAND WITH THE GIRL!

Janet

My question for the Public Prosecutor, Aruba -
just out of curiosity-
since you say that there is no evidence of a crime having been committed against Natalee Holloway-
then what do you, Mr. Prosecutor, think happened to Natalee?

I think MOS has a pretty good idea what happened to Natalee just like we do.  Actually, I think ALE knew what happened to Natalee by 5/31/05.

I agree Klaas.  Beth and Jug were on the Island for just over 12 hours when Joran van der Sloot was interrogated.  Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed shortly and ... questions presented to them imply that Joran must have revealed the truth in his interrogation.

Janet

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John Q. Kelly
On The Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008

KELLY: Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta: May 31, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9.
Unofficial Transcript

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
9:30 PM

Goodnight Janet! Do You ever wonder about any other tourist girls prior to Natalee that died in Aruba but there deaths were ruled Drownings.....maybe these girls were left on the beach to wakeup after the pimps got thru with them but somehow ended up in the water....just a thought

Nite Janet

hotping ... I believe that the MO of Joran and the pimps was ... target a American tourist who was leaving the following day ... spike her drink with date rape durg ... take her unconscious to Joran's apartment ... gang rape her ... Freddie would be the camera man ... take her to the beach near her hotel to sleep it off.  When the girl eventually came around ... she would make her way back to her hotel with no memory of the happenings of the previous night ... pack her bags and ... catch the plan home.

Only ... this time something went terribly wrong.

IMO

Good Night Hotping ... this time I mean it.

Janet

Thanks Janet! Goodnight!

I agree Janet

I agree that this is probably the pimps MO but what I'm saying is there is a possiblity that once they left one of these tourist girls on the beach to wakeup that instead of waking up and going back to her hotel and then home...she wound up in the water and drown and it was ruled drowning and Her family was never the wiser to what really happened to Her....I realize that this is not what happened in Natalee's case.... 

Goodnight All!

Nite Hotping

In case anyone missed this from last night.  From Heli at Ru:

Greta van Susteren
On The Record
February 20, 2008

Greta:

Beth is set to sue Joran van der Sloot in Holland. That's what Dutch newspapers are saying. Is it true?

And the Aruban Chief Prosecutor now wants to question Patrick van der Eem, the man who secretly taped Joran van der Sloot talking about Natalee's death. Van der Eem says he has nothing to hide and the prosecutor just has to call him.

Joining us livein New York is John Q. Kelly, the lawyer for Natalee's parents.

John, what's the story on this civil suit in Holland? We've gotten lots of calls on it.

John:

I've seen a couple of articles on it too Greta. The lawyer that's been quoted is not someone Beth ever contacted, it's not someone she's ever spoken to nor have I, but you know I guess it's someone who's willing to put forth some suggestions and we'll always listen to those

Greta:

If what I understand from the news articles to be correct, he intends to sue him in Holland, is that right?

John:

There's been no discussion of that Greta, this is not some lawyer that Beth

Greta:

So is he making it up?

John:

I think it's just someone who offered to come forward and make suggestions, offer some help if we wanted it you know, and that's fine Greta but yeah, it's not accurate.

Greta:

Does this come through Peter de Vries, the Dutch television guy at all?

John: Greta, it hasn't come from Beth and it hasn't come from myself, we'll just leave it at that

Greta:

That's a dodge if I ever heard one

John:

I spend my whole life dodging you Greta

Greta:

I'm not that stupid

John:

I spend my whole life dodging you, Greta since I got involved in this case, right from the start I've looked for civil remedies. Obviously, not that's any secret to me.

Beth and Dave are very comfortable with the lawyer they have, very confident in that, you know, we know the civil remedies available to Aruba. We were hoping the criminal case would result in a prosecution and that's what we're still looking for.

Greta:

Alright, let's talk about Aruba. What is going on there with Patrick, the guy who taped Joran? He's now in Aruba vacationing and talking to someone about a book?

John:

I think there've been a lot of discussions about books, you know after the show came out but you know, he's more than willing to talk to the prosecution. The prosecution should talk to him. I actually had a very long talk with Hans Mos today, probably a half hour or more, going over things.

I mean, it's no secret I'm not happy with what's going on down there, I'm not happy with what's going on right now down there and I'd like to see something done. I think they have a strong circumstantial case right now against Joran and I wish they'd pull the trigger on him (it?), I wish they'd act.

Greta:

This is what's kind of silly, you say Hans wants to talk to him, Patrick wants to talk to Hans, the prosecutor. Why don't they just do it? I mean, this has been going on for like, just do it. You tell me they both want to talk to each other, the taper wants to talk to the prosecutor and the prosecutor wants to talk to the taper but it hasn't happened.

John:

It hasn't happened yet, I assume it will happen

Greta:

Is Hans Mos back from his vacation in Holland?

John:

They're on their own watch down there Greta, they move at their own pace and as I said it gets me agitated just talking about it, but looking at what they have right now you've got a young man who walks into a bar, he pays for a drink, he handles it himself, he hands it to Natalee, she drinks it, she leaves with him, you know as soon as she gets in the car, she's incoherent, she's lapsing in and out of consciousness, he's the last one with her alive and he makes up at least 3 different stories in terms of what happened to her and he refuses to co-operate and she's never heard from again. I mean it's not really hard to figure out.

Greta:

And the thing that's got me is he must have told the police the first time he spoke to them, because why would they have asked Jug about she shaking and the epilepsy type seizure or something. I think to myself, what are the aruban police up to but that's for another day

John:

Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta: May 31, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9

Greta:

Something's funny, I wish, something's not quite right, I wish the State Department would get a little busy on this one. John I gotta go but we'll do a lot more on this, thank you.

Hans should have already studied the material in depth and had conversations with both of them since he has already presented the argument to the court seeking authority to arrest Joran based upon the tape, conversations, and conclusions of Peter and Patrick. It is a day late to now want to speak to them in person, though if he did fail to assemble the material needed to diligent argue the point, I guess it is better late than never. They had the ability to question him via phone, video, and attorneys from Holland I would think. But, that island is historically pretty slow off of the line:)

At this point one opinion is as valid as another, and with you having the credibility of being crowned Mother Monkey, Queen of our pack, your opinions carry a little extra weight:)

Boycott Aruba until the Aruban Govt ends the 32 month Cover Up of Natalee Holloway's Drugging,Rape and Murder.The Aruban,Dutch and American citizens are all waiting for Justice for Natalee

32 Months later and the Aruban Govt has never looked back on the Cover Up of Natalee Holloway's Murder. They have spent Millions in a dis-information campaign to lie,slander and attack the victim and her family. Natalee Holloway deserves to be laid to rest back home and she deserves Justice.

June 10th and 11th 2005

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.

The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.
Saturday afternoon Fox News quoted Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes confirming Holloway's death and saying authorities know the location of her body.

AP: ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to Aruba confessed he killed her, police say.]Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime.
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ABC News:
BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.

Diario Newspaper
human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody

Prime Minster Oduber
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

FBI and Several Aruban Police officers
Blood was all over the Kalpoe car.
Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.


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Natalee Holloway - Have You Seen Her
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z5T9oUoQBbk

that last bit is important.

that's how the dutch can pressure the arubans next to cutting financial aid.

but only if the kingdom cabinet is in agreement on this.
the kingdom cabinet is the dutch cabinet together with the ministers representing aruba and the antilles.

the AG of aruba can however appeal this.

the dutch justice minister can directly interfere with the antilles. in the case of aruba it has to be in agreement with the kingdom cabinet.

end of the year the antilles get split up in curaçao/st. maarten en bonaire/st. eustatius/saba.

Dirty hands = dirty cop...

corruption = higher levels of government unable to function due to being compromised (financially or by blackmail, threats or intimidation)

Disinformation spread by those with compromised economic positions

Murder -- call a spade a spade.

If Natalee died from an overdose there is no way it was an "accident"....

Someone slipped her something and knew she would be incapacitated and that equates in any book as murder -- in my book premeditated murder because "perps" in these kind of cases know there is the possiblity something can go wrong when those drugs are used -- too much history and they are not that stupid.

To them the risk is worth the perceived reward -- so they intentionally slip these date rape drugs into unsuspecting tourists drinks...they take a risk when they do it knowing full well there could be a reward if successful...

In this case the victim had a reacation, but because the perps knew the risks and chose (yes it was a choice and they did it away) it is premeditated murder....

Too many people will get hurt if the truth comes out because too many peole have been, themselves, personally involved in this game of chance, on an island where chance is King.  That is why they know they must cover this up cuz the real truth will totally destroy many prominent people...everyone is held hostage by corruption, blackmail, intimidation, fear and terror...which explains why there isn't a waiting list for claiming the reward...

jmo

But weren't we told that Mos is only the public prosecutor(whatever that is) and that Dop(whatever her name is)is the REAL prosecutor?Couldn't SHE have talked to Patrick while Mos was vacating?This is so confusing.

Good point but makes me think that maybe the pimp games were controlled also.They say they control the drug houses and the drug sellers on aruba,and if the pimp game is played out all the time on aruba,then they MUST control that too.IF Aruba's livelyhood is directly based on tourism monies(like they claim)and aruba controls the drug houses/sellers(like they claim)then aruba must also control the pimps and their nasty game.

Plane carrying 46 people missing in Venezuela
Last Updated: Thursday, February 21, 2008 | 11:34 PM ET
CBC News

A commercial airliner carrying 46 people went missing in a mountainous region of Venezuela on Thursday, and local media were reporting the plane had crashed.

Officials confirmed that the plane was unaccounted for in the western Merida state, in the Andes.

The twin-engine plane vanished at about 5:30 p.m. as it flew from Merida city to the airport in Caracas, the Venezuelan capital, said Noel Marquez, director of the state's emergency management agency.

"It did not make contact with the control towers," Marquez said.

He said rescue teams were beginning the search for the plane in the mountains, some 5,000 metres above sea level.

"We are going to wait for the teams to reach the area to confirm if the plane is effectively in the zone and in what conditions it was found," Marquez said.
Reports emerged that the wreckage of the plane had already been spotted, but Gen. Antonio Rivero, Venezuela's emergency management director, would only say authorities are looking into the information.

The plane, a French-made ATR 42-300, belongs to Santa Barbara Airlines, a small Venezuelan company that flies throughout Venezuela and to places like Miami, Aruba and Ecuador. Forty-three passengers and three crew members were on board when the plane went missing.

With files from the Associated Press

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/02/21/venezuela-plane.html

I thought this was an interesting article.

February 22, 2008

Plane parked in Daytona shows up in DEA forfeiture notice

By BARRY FLYNN
Business Writer

DAYTONA BEACH -- Abandoned at the airport here, a Boeing 727 jetliner was quietly seized last summer in a federal drug case that may reach as far as Aruba and the mountains of Mexico.

The aircraft still sits parked at Willman Aviation Inc., a fixed-base operator at Daytona Beach International Airport, and is under seal by the U.S. Marshals Service.

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, which ordered the seizure, has been tight-lipped about the matter. It came to light when the DEA listed the plane in a legal notice in The Wall Street Journal as part of the process of the government gaining forfeiture of property in more than 500 drug-related cases around the country.

Everything listed was "seized for forfeiture . . . because the property was used or acquired as a result of a violation of the controlled substances act . . . ," the ad said.

"It is a narcotics violation that it was seized under," said Michael Sanders, a DEA spokesman in Washington. "The seizure warrant came out of the Southern District" of Florida.

"I can't tell you why the plane was seized," he said. "There's been no arrest associated with the seizure."

All records of the case in U.S. District Court in Fort Lauderdale are under seal and unavailable to the public.

The seized jet has been parked at the airport for more than four years. Its only flight during that time was a brief, aborted sortie scheduled to end at a small airport in Queretaro, northeast of Mexico City, according to flightaware.com, a Web site that compiles FAA data.

Instead of going to Queretaro, the plane returned to DBIA less than an hour after takeoff with the crew reporting equipment problems.

Nobody here has heard from the owner since.

An obscure company called Rapid Air & Sea Services N.V. and based in Aruba -- an island country about 15 miles off the coast of Venezuela -- bought the plane only four days before that abbreviated flight in April 2006.

"I never saw the buyers," said the seller, Jack R. Staples, a St. Petersburg businessman who got $583,000, after commissions, for sale of the plane through an aircraft broker. "I was told these guys were Mexican, and they had a cargo operation out of Mexico City."

Negotiations were unusually long, punctuated by delays in payment and repeated requests for minor repairs, he said.

"They put a deposit down, and it dragged on for six months. It may have been longer than that. I want to say we got two or three wire transfers (of money) in over a week, and still they were $100,000 short," Staples said.

Staples bought the plane as an investment in 2001. He moved it to DBIA in December 2003.

Staples' New Smyrna Beach broker, Les Brent, said, "This airplane was not a drug plane."

Brent said he never met the ultimate buyer, either, and dealt only by telephone with a California broker whose name and home city he did not recall. Brent said he had thought the buyer was American, but near the end of the sales process the other broker told him the Aruba company was buying the plane for resale to someone in Mexico.

Brent said his records of the transaction have been subpoenaed by the DEA.

From here, the plane's future is uncertain. It usually takes eight to 18 months after seizure for the government to win forfeiture of an aircraft, said Jack Bagwell, whose Midland, Texas, company, Aero-Mod Services, sells planes for the Marshals Service.

Bagwell said he would then move quickly to provide for a two-day viewing period, accept sealed bids and sell the plane to the highest bidder.

barry.flynn@news-jrnl.com
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/frtHEAD03022208.htm

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? 

This woman deserves a medal for public service.  Did you read where the dead criminal had been in court that very day for the same offense?  Didn't learn his lesson in court apparently because he ran right out and repeated his crime.  She was defending her personal life and liberty and she's the one they want to prosecute? 

FN Idiots. 

Lovely!

hans mos is 'officier van justitie'
dop kruimel is 'persofficier van justitie'

dop kruimel primarily handles questions from the press.
but mos often takes over kruimels work.
in the netherlands this would be unusual.
but in the netherlands there are often more 'officieren van justitie' and one 'persofficier van justitie'.
on aruba there are just two altogether.

there also should be a 'parketvoorlichter'.
this is kind of the secretary for dop kruimel.

Are Mos and Domp just media mouthpieces??  Is that part of their title?

Does anyone know if it is really Elivia Lugo, as chief prosecutor??
 
From the last search of the VDS house:

Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) asked the KLPD for assistance in the case last year.  A team of Dutch detectives investigated the file and came out with a report and recommendations.  The KLPD gave the report to the Attorney General at the end of last month and the investigation is being continued based on this.  This one is being led by the Aruban public prosecutor Elivia Lugo.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/29/amigoe-highly-placed-government-official-said-the-team-expects-to-find-holloway%E2%80%99s-remains-soon-in-aruba/


Is Nico Jorg still "the real" Attorney General??  Is there an Aruban Attorney General?/

TIA

Company comes with test on ' rapedrugs '   22 feb 2008, 09:32
The medical company Biosource Diagnostics brings soon a test on the
market with which visitors of cafés and discotheques can test their
drink on GHB and ketamine. That let know a spokesman of the company
Friday as a result of reporting in the eindhovens daily.

Recently the test on test is available in a number of cafés in end
courts. Previous year warned the police force there the
uitgaanspubliek for GHB, because talk seemed of a strong increase of
the number of cases in which people with the spul products doped.

GHB and ketamine stand, however, confessed as ' rapedrugs '. Cases
have been confessed of women which violate or is assaulted after the
someone had thrown bedwelmende resources in their drink.

With the test a drink can be checked rapidly on the drugs by a couple
drops fought on stripje to drip. At a positive result the stripje
colour dark blue. The test works according to the spokesman at beer,
frisdrank and breezers, but not at wine, milk and olieachtige spirits
such as some liquors.

Translated from
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6444
and
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3363082/_Test_op__rapedrugs___.html

officially dop kruimel is the media mouth piece.
but hans mos himself does that job very often.
but the both have the same job title - only dop kruimel had 'pers / press' in front of it.
like i said above - in an OM there is at least one officier van justitie and one persofficier van justitie but most of the time more than one officier van justitie.

about the procureur generaal, there is one and that is Nico Jörg.
he is the acting PG. acting as in not permanent.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/Car20080124_Jorg-Aruba

attorney general is not the right job description.
minister of justice comes closer to attorney general.

and this is already used in the usa, millions of these indicator cards have been sold there in the party / club scene.
http://www.ed.nl/eindhovenstad/2689712/Cafes-testen-drank-op-verkrachtingsdrug.ece

caesu

Thanks.  Is it Jorg's (can't find those two dots) job to assign the prosecutor to the case? 

caesu

Is there an Attorney General position and is that different than how you describe Jorg's position??

Principal Government Officials
Governor General--Fredis J. Refunjol
Prime Minister--Nelson O. Oduber
Deputy Prime Minister--Marisol J. Tromp
Minister of Labor, Culture, Integration, Community Development & Sports--T.F. Ramon Lee
Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs--Nilo J.J. Swaen
Minister of General Affairs and Foreign Relations--Nelson O. Oduber
Minister of Social Affairs and Public Works--Marisol J. Tromp
Minister of Public Health and Environment--Candelario A.S.D. Wever
Minister of Justice--Hyacintho R. Croes
Minister of Tourism & Transportation--Edison Briesen
Minister Plenipotentiary to The Hague--F. Walfrido Croes
Minister Plenipotentiary to Washington, DC--vacant
President, Bank of Aruba--Rob Henriquez
Attorney General--Theresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

Exactly! ::MonkeyCool::

i think that's right.

The Board of Procurators General is responsible for the policy and management of the Public Prosecution Service.

That keeps including in:
* Looking after an effective and efficient organisation
* Coordinating priorities in the prosecution
* Giving internal directives so that all officieren of justice as much as possible equal sentence requirements put in similar matter

Moreover the Board of Procurators General gives recommendations with respect to legislation which has with criminal action to do.

The Board of Procurators General has a consultation with the minister of justice or the Secretary-General as a rule monthly.


it says here. board of procureurs general.
but aruba has only one. so Nico Jörg is the board in itself.
for Rudy Croes a PG for aruba is an important issue.
the antilles has also one PG for the other 5 islands.
Rudy Croes wants his OM as independent as possible.

the PG is there to keep the distance from the minister of justice and the OM.
but Rudy Croes crosses the line way to often and interferes with the prosecution. this is a well known problem on aruba.
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article341437.ece/Innig_gescheiden_machten

article about Jörg is interesting:
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/Car20080124_Jorg-Aruba

he says it is not true that aruba is all corrupt.
but he also says the aruban OM / justice department doesn't do much to remove that suspicion.
OM is too much politically directed (meaning but not saying involvement justice minister Croes)
and the amount of government employees being prosecuted is alarming.

in my opinion Jörg is a good man after reading this and more.
only he can not get too much involved with the prosecution itself in detail. just the general effectiveness.

that's is not update i guess.
current but acting (temporaly) PG is Nico Jörg

and attorney general is the name the usa uses for this, but this is in my opinion not entirely correct.
mukasey in washington we dutch would call a justice minister.

Thanks again caesu.

Interesting post at BFN regarding the Kalpo/Dr. Phil suit.  From gigi1959 :

Thanks again Jane.  As I posted previously, it was a huge error for the plaintiffs not to produce the electronic communications requested and to give their Aruban attorney one day to respond to their letter requesting documents--both areas which the defendants are using as a basis for their latest  motions.  The plaintiffs' attorney's declaration re the electronic communications non-production isn't really responsive on the issue.  The law is abundantly clear on this--all electronic communications must be preserved and produced if requested; if you don't know  how to access it then you have to  hire someone who does know how to do it; if you claim the costs of doing so are prohibitive--(a claim I don't see has been raised--yet) you have to have  a hearing on that and possibly the court will apportion the costs. If not, tough luck.  The attorney's declaration states that they have offered to have the defendants examine the computers after the protocol for doing so has been established.  That is par for the course----after  the attorneys have had an opportunity to review the electronic discovery produced by the plaintiffs.  It is very expensive to have a clone made of the hard drive of a computer and to have a forensic expert examine the contents of a computer.  My guess is that the plaintiffs are trying to shift the cost of their discovery burden to the defense.  Will the court grant the motion to terminate and dismiss the case? I don't know because I'm not familiar with this Judge.  However, in as far as their is an offer on the table for the defense to examine the computers--which will allow them to argue they are not hiding the ball so to speak, , my guess is that he will give them one more shot to comply with his orders. BTW, did you know that if the Kalpoes' lawsuit is dismissed, either voluntarily or by the court, or if they lose the case, they will be responsible for paying the defendants' statutory costs to date--which by now should be extensive.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6860.135


I don't understand how you file for damages yet show no loss.  His mental health care costs are zero (he has gov't care), he is still working and can't seem to figure out when and if he missed work and he refuses to claim costs regarding attorney fees.  I just don't get it. Somebody better tell these two that California is not Aruba.  I don't get it.

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Date Rape Coaster don't go to Aruba without it!
  Each coaster contains two test areas that incorporate patented DrinkSafe technology that reacts with a visible color change if a test area come in contact with a drink spiked with major date rape drugs like GHB and Ketamine.
 

For those who think dutch law is weird here is another one:

Misdadiger kan pistool declareren
 
BREDA - Criminelen kunnen de kosten van het plegen van een misdrijf aftrekken van de winst die het strafbaar feit oplevert.

Zo kreeg een 46-jarige man uit Roermond deze week van de rechtbank een vergoeding van 2000 euro voor het pistool dat hij had gebruikt om een bank in het Brabantse Chaam te overvallen. De verdachte werd veroordeeld tot een onvoorwaardelijke gevangenisstraf van vier jaar. Ook moet hij de buit van 6600 euro terugbetalen, maar de kosten voor de aanschaf van het wapen worden van dit bedrag afgetrokken. De man had tijdens de rechtszitting verklaard dat hij het pistool destijds voor ruim tweeduizend euro op de kop had getikt.

Kosten

Volgens directeur Gerard Sta van het Bureau Ontnemingen Openbaar Ministerie is het inderdaad mogelijk dat een crimineel kosten die zijn gemaakt voor het plegen van een strafbaar feit, in mindering kan brengen. "Het gaat om kosten die een directe relatie hebben met het strafbare feit. Kosten dus die een crimineel anders niet gemaakt zou hebben. Een tweede voorwaarde is dat het strafbare feit voltooid moet zijn", aldus Sta. De wet gaat er volgens Sta vanuit dat de financiële situatie van de bankovervaller na 'afrekening' met Justitie hetzelfde moet zijn als voor de overval. "De overvaller van de bank in Chaam moest dat wapen aanschaffen om die bank te kunnen beroven. Het klinkt misschien een beetje raar, maar zo is de wet."

Directeur Sta geeft nog een ander voorbeeld: "Als er een hennepplantage wordt opgerold kan de kweker aangeven welke onkosten hij heeft gemaakt." (Telegraaf)

Quick translation:
Criminals can declare the costs they make to commit a crime
A 46 year old man from Roermond received 2000 Euros from the court to pay for the gun he purchassed to commit a bank robbery. He was sentenced to 4 years in prison and has to repay the 6600 Euros he stole. The 2000 Euros he paid for the gun will be deducted from this amount.

According to the law if the criminal has made expenses to commit a crime and the crime has actually been committed, then he can declare his expenses. In the case of the bank robbery the criminal had to buy the gun otherwise he could not have robbed the bank.

Quote from the article: "It may sound a little funny but that is the law"

Weird world we live in

link to article:http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuws
bronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-01-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-01-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal.htm

Isn't the attorney general our top law enforcement official? Would that not be the equivalent of Rudy Croes in Aruba, as minister of justice in Aruba?

about that woman who drove over that mugger.
there is a lot more to that.
also the muslim community called a fatwa = death sentence.
she is now in hiding, moving around in disguise from house to house.
her lawyer explained things in a talk show yesterday.
really unbelievable. she has been suffering so much since.

and about that man who got a refund for his gun.
i didn't know that was possible.

yes, USA attorney general = Aruban justice minister

Aruban procureur general = don't know USA equivalent (maybe deputy attorney general or associate attorney general.

Nico Jörg was advocate general wich would be sollicitor general in the usa.
but Theresa Croes-Fernandes announced retirement beginning last year effective january 2008 but she went on early leave in may 2007 so Nico Jörg became acting procureur generaal.

Is it true that Rudy is NOT an attorney though?

i have been looking for a biography on Rudy Croes for a long time.
i don't know what studies he has done.
in the early nineties he was also justice minister.
but he resigned (or had to resign because of the IRT-affair).

Klaas, I sent you an e-mail

Done - beautiful pictures!

Chris Hansen reports on the Natalee Holloway investigation  

'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET

PRESS RELEASE

NBC News
updated 2:09 p.m. PT, Wed., Feb. 20, 2008

NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party.  The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.

David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."


© 2008 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/

It is easy to get it wrong when relying on the internet for information, especially trying to understand not only the written law of a country but also the attitudes and social structure of a country. But Rudy seems to have absolute control of all things legal, and illegal, in Aruba. If he wanted to be PM, he could have been, but the best paying job in Aruba is by all measures, the Minister of Justice. All activities I have seen mentioned in Natalee discussions such as drug smuggling, money laundering, sex slave trafficking, all have a franchise fee so to speak to be allowed to do business in Aruba, and it has to be paid in cash to Rudy. The Dutch actually staff the courts, the prosecutor, and the chief of police position more so than they operate them, because they operate under the control and authority of Aruba, but are subject to he professional standards so to speak of Holland and the chain of appeals of the courts goes to Holland. But Holland cannot exercise the will or discretion, only Aruba can. The local Dutch will lose their jobs if they "tell on Rudy," and possibly their professional licenses, but Rudy will be exposed. It is also not their duty to act on their own initiative when they discover corruption in Aruba, and they may not even have the power to act on what they know. But they do know. And while they have different interest than the Arubans such as Rudy, they are probably corrupted by the same folks. That is what creates such odd and contradictory relationships in Aruba. They hate each other but are bound at the hip by corruption and the arrangement to provide services.

 The funny thing is that even if Rudy was exposed, there is nothing that can happen to him unless he loses the legacy of his father's support. Holland or any other country has no right to prosecute Rudy for crimes he committs in Aruba concerning activities in Aruba, so he would do as he did with the sex slaves, hunker down and proceed. Arubans don't see that type of behavior as that big of a deal apparently. Drug smuggling is expected, money laundering is expected. Those people drop money in Aruba, tipping fees or chump change, for the locals, and they are probably even respected and admired by the locals, as well as feared, since they control Aruba and will use violence with the blessing of Rudy when needed. Rudy grew up in Aruba when it was a lot more backward than it is now, and his behavior and attitudes about life, freedome,drugs, violence, and rights reflects those days.

thanks

The only other job I could find on him was a lab technician of some type, possibly even developing pictures. His dad was a school teacher who died at age 48 but also a folk hero who organized the independence of Aruba, with a vision of it being a tourist mecca and providing a good living for the Arubans, but he either died or was killed on the night of the election. His brother is Hendrick Croes? a very prominent but alleged dirty attorney in Aruba and a former Minister of Justice. Rudy has immense democratic support on th island, owing I guess to his father. Or maybe the political party grants him the power.

Posted on the front page of SM by elisabeth (Netherlands):

elisabeth wrote:


Patrick has testified thursday morning on Aruba, voluntarily. Daily tips and information is still coming in and 25 detecives are said to work on the case. The OM vigorously denies that an arrest of Patrick has ever been considered, just rumors it is said.


Feb 22, 9:39 AM

What again is the basis for the 25 detective number that keeps popping up? Are these Aruban or Dutch investigators?

Well, I'm looking forward to the Dateline show tonight - looks like a good one.

I'm sure the audience will be huge and it's a great way to help those attending the travel show boycott.

Good Luck to those that are making the trip and know we are all thinking of you.

Prior to DeVries airing the confession video there were 4 ALE on the case.  After the video, Joran was again made a SUSPECT and MOS increased detectives to 25 (I'm assuming ALE). I have no idea why 25.

I found Guido's missing shoes.

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I didn't know they had 25 police man on Aruba, let alone 25 detectives!

Maybe they deputize the chollers  ::MonkeyWink:: 

(Oh Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OT....Just want to let you know we are leaving for Boston for the tourism show.  It is a mess out there with snow and other nasty stuff.  We will be filling you in on the show with pictures, and emails.  For everyone driving in this stuff, be very careful.  Hope to see you all soon!

 ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Anybody know an approximate number of how many total officers they have in the ALE?

Sorry - but I don't buy that there are 25 on the case

Our monkey prayers are with you!  God Bless you all!

Great catch Buckeye.  There is so much deception encompassing the Natalee Holloway case ... ANYTHING is possible.

Hans Mos' could very well just be the mouth piece for the prosecutor's office and ... ultimately he becomes the "fall guy" when the "dog and pony show" is exposed by John Q. Kelly and the defence attorneys prior to the judge's ruling.

A miracle happened in December, 2007 ... John Q. Kelly and the defence attorneys were one in minset regarding the so-called "new evidence" gathered by the the prosecution in regards to the arrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish in November, 2007.  I do believe that this meeting of the minds between these adversaries was a "first" and ... ultimately ... the judge concurred.

Janet

Thanks Hotshot!  Drive carefully!

Thanks!

Also some other info:

Patrick van der Eem said on the 19th that his book will be published in May (in the US;  publication in the Netherlands isn't a sure thing yet). Of course; that publication date can change any time. But that's what he knew at that moment.

Also his quote "I can be silent" etc. after he heard about Hans Mos saying he could be arrested if he does not come forward voluntarily...he said that at a moment a was very, very tired (a couple of very busy months / weeks ;-), 14 hour flight to Aruba with 2 little kids). He didn't mean it the way it sounded and was more than willing to help Hans Mos and his team.

And Joran said in the chat with the writer of his book (after the show aired) that he & Patrick shared girls in hotelrooms etc. Patrick said that didn't happen..."let Joran come forward with hotelnames / dates / girls...any kind of proof".


And as far as I know; the team of Peter R. de Vries has had some very useful tips after the show; they are working on that this very moment. And when Peter R. de Vries is determined he won't let go. He is known for that. Sometimes it takes a long time; but he has patience; a lot of it!

Why didn't Patrick van der Eem make a statement to the three judge panel that extradited Joran to Aruba?

That would have carried more weight in my opinion. And as we all know Rudy Croes said if he had known an arrest was going to take place  - he would have prevented it.

Thank you!  I have faith in DeVries!

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Welcome GBMW!

I am sure that De Vries has only just begun.  The look in his eyes from the P & W show with the Vandersloots says it all.... IMO - he is chomping at the bit to take the Vanderlsoots down.

Posted on the front page of SM:

longjack wrote:


#122

To clarify my point:

From a German speaking region perspective, DeVries is well known as someone who can unravel coverups.

If Joran is DeVries’s target there is a reason for it. The details of the case aren’t necessary. Joran is a problem due to the fact DeVries is after him.

If Joran acts up in a German speaking region he won’t be given a do-over.

As to DeVries being arrogant, from my experience, again from a German speaking region perspective, an “arrogant Dutchman” is a redundancy ;>)


Feb 22, 10:24 AM

May God bless you all in your sacrificial efforts to expose Aruba for what it is ... an unsafe destination for tourists.

Please warn potential travellers to Aruba that a drug addict by the name of Boeti may be camped in the bushes right outside your room and ... the "powers that be" turn a blind eye.

Janet

+++++++++++


Joe Tacopina
On the Record w' Greta
May 17, 2006

GRETA: Booty is enormously…Booty is someone who hangs out on the beach, made a live on the beach. Someone who I have been told has a criminal history. He is there sometimes at night…has access to a boat, is the brother in law of Gerald Dompig.

JOE: And…most importantly, he had a hut on the beach and he showed us where it was that had a direct shot into the room stayed at that night. We were there…the beach that he lived in, I mean literally stayed on this beach out there. What you have to understand this climate permits something like that. It’s just a cover and that’s where he stayed

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I'm still working through the chain of command.

I don't believe Rudy Croes, as Minister of Justice has to report to Holland, at all.  I think Rudy is accountable only to The Aruban Parliament, which I believe is stacked in his favor.  I think the only legitimate, not close, but as close as we'll get, link to Holland is the governor, Fredis what's his name....and I think he is just a figure head.

So, in turning the case over to the Dutch investigators, does that just mean their info goes to Rudy and therefore, nowhere?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Going to try.....Klaas, Please keep me up on things....email.  I'll check in when I get to the Hotel tonight.    Send Hats and gloves our way monkeys ::MonkeyWink::

I cannot comprehend why Hans Mos did not request statements  from both Peter Devries and Patrick Van der Eem IMMEDIATELY following the airing of the video recording.  The statements of these crucial witnesses should have been included in the evidence which Hans Mos presented to the three judge panel who ruled ruled in Joran van der Sloot's favor.

Janet

Hotshot - will you get to the hotel in time for DATELINE? 

Quote from: JusticeforNatalee on February 19, 2008, 03:07:18 PM

By the way, our efforts to stand up for Natalee's justice are shaping up well, especially for Boston. Should have a good, strong group if all make it. (Still could use more people the New York event. Small group but need more)

These double protests have resulted in a lot of expenses, so if anyone is inclined to help with a donation, please contact Vicki: JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com

Right now there is a need for more funds for shipping those gorgeous (and attention-getting) banners and signs around and then, ultimately, back to Jamie.

Also, we want to make sure we have enough flyer copies, so funds are needed for that.

So, any help you can provide for these current needs would be greatly appreciated.

I hate to bring it up  and don't want to detract from the Persistence, but the reality is that we need some help.

Thank you so much! Let's all continue the good fight for Natalee's justice!

Barring no accidents, yes.  but will need a reminder for that.  MSNBC at 10pm right?

Yes 10pm ET.  Worst case you can catch Carpes youtubes after.  I'll make sure you get them.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/02/08/press-release-from-prosecutor-in-aruba-question-to-you/

press release
Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba ,
Havenstraat 2

Oranjestad, Aruba
To all media
From the Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 8, 2008
Pages 1

J.v.d.S. interrogated at Police Station in Rotterdam

This morning, between 10:00 – 12:30 hours (Netherlands time) the police interrogated J.v.d.S. at a police station in Rotterdam. J.v.d.S. was interrogated by police officers of the Aruban Police Department and the Netherlands National Police Department. His lawyer was present during the interrogation, which lasted about two hours.

During the interrogation J.v.d.S. indicated that during the conversations he had in the car he was under the influence of marihuana. Furthermore, he sticks to his statements made earlier during the investigation. He denies to have anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The decision of the Court of Appeal of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba is crucial to the possibility of further interrogations of J.v.d.S.

As already stated on February 5, 2008, the Public Prosecutor’s Office lodged an appeal against the decision of the investigating judge to deny the re-detention of J.v.d.S.. The decision of the Court of Appeal is not expected until after the weekend.

Under the direction of the Public Prosecutor’s Office, the Aruban Police Department is still investigating this case. In the interest of the investigation, the Public Prosecutor’s Office appeals to the press to please refrain from a witch-hunt or private investigations or fishing expeditions (all this in the broadest sense of the word),

The Public Prosecutor’s Office doesn’t fail to notice that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway draws a lot of interest from media and general public. However, this interest seems to be turning into a witch-hunt in which several persons are being harassed.

The Public Prosecutor’s Office regards this as not acceptable. In the first place, without any confirmation persons are being labeled as a suspect, and harassed as such. In the second place, journalistic investigations and the subsequent reporting thereof, at a time the investigative team is still busy trying to get an answer to many questions, can seriously harm the criminal investigation. Not only does it cause a lot of unrest, or may generate misinformation, it may also harm the outcome of the investigation itself, e.g. when witnesses questioned by the judge at trial can’t be sure if they witnessed something themselves or they know a fact from the media.

Without questioning the value of freedom of the press, it would be desirable if the press would act a little distantly for aforementioned reasons.

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The above statement from the Prosecutor's office following questioning of Joran van der Sloot in regards to the Peter Devries' video recording was a despicable double standards when the silence from the two prosecutors in the Natalee Holloway case is considered in regards to the ongoing despicable allegations that the the Aruban media has directed against Beth from the getgo.

Hans Mos failed to released a statement of condemnation when Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo called that media/press conference and spew forth those despicable accusations against Beth and Jug.  In fact ... the Justice Minister gave credibility to the "findings" of these two and ... requested the Prosecutor's office to investigate.

HANS MOS REMAINED SILENT ... NO PUBLIC STATEMENT WAS RELEASED FROM THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE ... NO PUBLIC STATMENT IMPLYING A "WITCH HUNT".

Janet

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http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php
 
Amigoe
January 17, 2008

Natalee abused by stepfather Jug

This time, the local media has paid plenty of attention to the story of Dan Young and Kelly Castillo.

ORANJESTAD — Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice is of the opinion that the findings of the two American investigators Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway, must be seriously considered. The two assert that Natalee’s stepfather Jug Twitty has abused and impregnated her and that her mother Beth knew about it. The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators.

<snipped>

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.

that's right. also read private_eye's earlier post about Rudy two pages back. very good insight imo.

Rudy is only accountable to the aruba parliament, and the MEP-party has absolute majority since 2001.
the governor has no real power, just symbolic.

only thing the dutch can do is stop financial aid.
or in the kingdom cabinet (that is the dutch cabinet including the aruban and antilles minister representing aruba and the antilles in the netherlands - they meet very few times a year) can call on aruba to sort the justice system out, but this is very unlikely because the kingdom cabinet is large and has to reach consensus - the aruban en antilles minister have to agree to this as well.
on top of that the prosecutor general can (and will) appeal to a kingdom's cabinet decision at the higher court in curaçao.

in other words, the dutch can't legally force aruba to do a thing.
cutting of al ties with aruba and let the island drift of towards venezuela is too dramatic and has too many regional consequences.
if you read about Rudy Croes, it really appears that his justice department and OM is his most precious thing.
for Rudy Croes it is also very important to have his own PG.
Rudy Croes also want his own higher court on Aruba. or if that's not possible move the higher court from willemstad to oranjestad.
but last monday, the dutch minister of justice was on aruba and he said that was not going to happen.
(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2008/2008-02-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/02-19-hirsch-ballin-met-rud.jpg)
(hirsch ballin on the left)

I'm sure everyone is well aware of the weather here in Boston, supposed to be a complete  whiteout by 3pm. I just came back from a meeting in the Seaport area, and the area is a complete mess with traffic, and road shutdowns. I'm unfortunately stuck in work, but if anyone needs any updates regarding traffic, area,etc, I'll be logged on all day and night. I can play travel agent because it looks as though I won't be going anywhere for quite a while.

bc73 - thanks for the update.  Geez, that really sucks.  Living in California it's hard to imagine trying to drive in that kind of weather.  I don't like driving when it rains, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

actually I am glad they didnt.  If Mos or the ALE took that video, they would have edited it just like they did with Skeeters tape and turned it into a circus.

At least this way the whole world saw the video before the corrupt scumbags of shithole island had a chance to manipulate it. (parden my French)

speaking of the Skeeters tape, do we have a full copy of it around here somehwere, i'd like to take a look at it.

There was more bombshells on that tape than just Deepkas confession to raping Natalee.  I forget what the other things were....

I wouldn't care, but I deliver mail in this. A meeting happened to fall on a good day, or else I would be completely miserable. Let everyone know a new Mortons Steakhouse just opened right there at the Seaport, and all bar food is $5 from 4-6:30pm, and 9:30-11pm. Unbelievable food, and those guys will need to fill up. They need protein to begin an Aruba ass-kicking ASAP! Good luck everyone...

Blah - no we don't have it on this site because Red still feels it could very well be evidence in the case.

You can listen to parts at scrux.com but we don't know for sure what copy scrux has posted on their site.

of course it is evidence in the case(s). Both civil and criminal.

Deepak blabs on and on...

do we at least have a transcript?

I have gone to that scrux site one time and it was obviously a Sloot camp.  I dont trust anything they would put out over there.

That's what I thought.  So, what is the advantage of having Dutch investigators??

There is a link here on Hotshots site..

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/chicago.html

I'm very behind in reading, but if this is a first airing of Dateline, it would be on NBC (whatever channel that is in Boston...it's 4 here in the NYC area)....MSNBC is the cable news channel where reruns are shown. 

If I'm wrong, please let me know. 

Partial passenger list:

Joran van der Sloot
Papa VDS
Mama VDS
Steve C
Lorenzo
Satish
Deepack
Renho....
Search continuing for others involved in the Natalee Holloway cover-up....*just a joke*....but fun to think about.

Thanks, Klaasend....NBC, tonight. 

when the KLPD got involved in 2006?
i think to make it seem like aruba is making a real effort to solve the case.

but to get this solved, the justice department and OM really need to get themselves investigated.
and rudy croes won't allow that of course.

i wonder what's going to happen if MEP looses the election in september 2009.
possibly the next few years prosecuting all the corrupt politician's.
like what's still happening now with AVP politicians.

Janet,

Once again, you've proven with such clarity, that Hans Mos, like Karen Janssen report to strings in Holland.

The vacation story so obviously a code, for going back to the head office when decisions get tough.

Mos is not long for Aruba, it's so obvious. He's babysitting this, until his next "vacation" and new assignment. Just like van der straaten, Karen Akers, Dompig et.al.

Klaasend good morning.  Would it be possible to bring over the police van conversation where Joran says I trust Freddy with my life, to the Daury = Freddy thread. Thanks!

Done  ::MonkeyWink::

Blah ... you are correct.  Once the video recording was aired ... there is no way that the "powers that be" could deceptively  maniuplate/edit.  However ... I question why Hans Mos never took witness statements from Peter Devries and Patrick following the airing.

I cannot comprehend how the three judge panel was able to make a competent ruling without witness statements that were provided by the two who were behind the video recording.

It was if the ruling in Joran van der Sloots favor was a foregone conclusion.

Take note ... Hans Mos was even instrumental in regards to the three judge panel's favorable ruling.  He implied that Joran's words could be disregarded.  After all ... he had a personality disorder.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

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Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not

Janet

Take note ... Hans Mos was even instrumental in regards to the three judge panel's favorable ruling.  He implied that Joran's words could be disregarded.  After all ... he had a personality disorder.


I never thought of that line, in that context.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

In jorans statement of june 14th there is this line

Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable.

In my opinion he means the timeline, and who was where in the early morning hours of may 30th.
(msn to show that he was home etc)

I doubt that by the story he means the holiday inn lie. Why would that story be made more believable by msn contact and telephone calls.Same holds true for the "I left her at the beach" story. Frequent phone or computer contact does nothing for credibility.

Now if my assuption is correct and "make our story believable" refers to the early morning hours of may 30th then it seems they are making sure they have some sort of alibi when there is no reason for them to do so. At this point they did not know (so they say) that anything had happened to Natalee.

please correct me if i'm wrong.

Good Morning to all!!  and especially to Mrs. Red!  and I agree with you Mrs. Red 100%...so I will climb back in my hidey hole before the poop hits me!  LOL

You are right.  Maybe because Mos was on vacation?  But Peter was in his office a week prior and didn't question him then.  Maybe Mos didn't realize the impact the recordings were going to make on the general public, or the kick in the pants he would receive about it. 

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1184&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1184&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

sentencia today morning in caso of tiramento at macuarima

friday, 22 february 2008

oranjestad(aan): today morning huez will give sentencia in the caso of the jory l.a.n y edmar j.t, kendenan owing to wordo acusa of attempt of homicidio.

is deal of the caso where cu edmar was core car y jory owing to throw on miembronan of one gang of santa cruz.

this owing to sosode at macuarima, where cu two person owing to wordo injury. uno owing to achieve injury at his leg y the another owing to achieve injury at cara y barica.

the person cu injury at his barica was in estado critico y can owing to lose his life. jory l.a.n owing to wordo acusa also of owing to maltrata his pareha cu fist y schop.

even hour cu the child muher was more of 8 month pregnant, jory owing to maltrate. fiscal two week happen owing to exigi 6 year for edmar y 10 year for jory. today morning 8:15 huez will give his sentencia.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1186&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1186&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

muher owing to lie for his pareha cay close, for her can bay for of aruba cu child

friday, 22 february 2008

oranjestad(aan): hildo f.v.d owing to present fast of table berde diahuebs, for motibo cu past owing to wordo acusa of owing to priva one person of his freedom door of lock his office y not permitie of leave.

past owing to wordo acusa also of owing to menaza the person here, because; also break glass of one door. is so cu central of police owing to send one patrol at the hotel for atende cu one problem, where cu one person will owing to break glass diminutive of one door.

police owing to talk cu project sales manager of the hotel y past owing to splica police cu h.d owing to menaze y owing to break glass of the door. trahadornan of the hotel owing to tell cu h.d owing to bay eerste hulp, because past owing to clip his hand. at eerste hulp police owing to come across cu he that was much bao of influencia y they owing to detene.

the project sales manager owing to declara at police cu he of cual of pareha also was work at the hotel owing to come talk cune. hour they owing to enter his office, he owing to close the door at lock y owing to sit talk cune. past owing to feel one bit fastioso mirando cu he was bao of influencia, but past owing to talk cu he.

according the sales manager, he owing to bise at dado momento: “this is owing to shakedown” y owing to pidie for coin. h.d owing to pidie for 25 thousand dollar y owing to bise cu if for 3 ‘or the not come cu the coin, the will hasie damage. the will owing to tell he mericano also cu if the not achieve the coin the is mate.

the mericano owing to tell cu cada bez the was try of leave for of his office, but he not was lage leave.

at dado instant empleadonan was come at the door, but h.d not was let they enter. past owing to priminti h.d at dado instant cu the will busca the coin pe. h.d will owing to bise cu the coin here the will employ for make business cu drugs.

after of one rato past owing to succeed leave for of his office y he owing to bise “corda cu we have one deal”.
the acusado self owing to declara cu the storia ey do not berdad. past owing to tell cu past owing to bay talk cu he, because his pareha that was work at the hotel, owing to tell cu the project sales manager was trate bad at trabao.

past owing to splica huez cu his intencion was for talk cu he for her stop cu the actitud cu the was have contra the muher. past owing to admiti cu past owing to tell he cu the will strike the, because he owing to come cu one actitud onbeschoft contra dje..

huez owing to puntre dicon past owing to lock the door y stope man of leave for of the office. past owing to tell cu past owing to make this, because the wanted owing to talk cu he trankilmente, but cada bez person was come stroba.
according h.d, not was his intencion niether for break glass of the door.

past owing to splica cu hour the was bayendo for of the lugar, a owing to bise algo negative y past owing to bay bek close they. past owing to beat on the glass y this break.
fiscal owing to tell cu the is believe in thing the victima owing to trece fast, mirando cu various witness owing to tell cu they owing to hear he talk of the “deal”.

the deal according fiscal will is the deal of 25 thousand dollar. mirando the mature cu h.d have one carchi of castigo, cu is show cu at various ocasion past owing to achieve his self cu problemanan cu husticia relaciona cu violencia, fiscal owing to exigi one castigo of 9 month.

advocate faarup owing to trece fast cu the deal not have to nifica the deal of coin.
his cliente owing to tell the project sales manager cu the wanted for he ask one disculpa at his pareha for 3’or, hour the come buske for of trabao.

esey was the deal cu past owing to work cu he. for thing is the motibo cu his cliente owing to bay talk cu he, past owing to tell cu version of his cliente have same weight cu version of he mericano.
none witness can confirma cua version is berdad.

the advocate owing to read also carta of the muher cu was pareha of h.d y cu was work at the hotel.
in the carta the muher that owing to bandona aruba cu child of h.d while cu the was close at kia, owing to tell he cu for bad past owing to lie cu the project sales manager was trate bad at trabao.

the was know, mirando caracter of h.d, cu h.d will owing to bay cause problem at the hotel y cu the will can cay close. hour h.d owing to cay close, past owing to probecha bandona aruba cu the child. past owing to tell cu past owing to bay lage, because past owing to achieve know cu h.d owing to achieve child cu another muher, during they relacion.

past owing to tell also cu the is wait for cu h.d not achieve mucho castigo. faarup owing to tell huez cu the carta is comproba cu he owing to bay at the hotel for reclama the trato cu the muher was ricibi y not for ask for 25 thousand dollar.

huez at end owing to give he one castigo of 9 month, of cual 3 is condicional. the remainder is incondicional, kitando the 4 lunanan cu he owing to sit end.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1189&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1189&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

comerciante bad contento cu kiebro again at nike store

friday, 22 february 2008

oranjestad (aan) – once more antisocialnan owing to go back enter y haci much damage at the business of nike store in caya big.

according remark, the antisocialnan owing to succeed penetra in the lugar, via the sistema of airco for her roof of the business. una bez inside, party owing to cuminza.

one great cantidad of cloths for person muher owing to desaparece y the lugar owing to stay practicamente bashi. for colmo the antisocialnan here owing to succeed penetra in the warehouse y owing to bay cu several pair of keds.

upstairs the roof, can owing to see cu the antisocialnan was have time sufficient for haci thing owing to wordo haci y teasta they owing to haci they necesidad upstairs the roof, one tremendo potatoes owing to stay behind.

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Oh, nuts.

klaas or someone (moderator) - Please Quote my post with the Diario articles, on the M&C thread, please. TY.

(I usually copy before I post, so I keep the coding ... )