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pretty big feet...Nm....size 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Nut.... I am waiting patiently.... ::MonkeyWink::

Diasabra atardi e boto "Persistence" cu ta un boto Americano cu tin lunas buscando den e lamanan rond di Aruba pa e posibel curpa di Natalee Holloway a pidi asistencia di maritiem politie. Aparentemente nan lo a haja un tip y a pidi pa niun boto no drenta e area cu lo bay busca. Riba e imagen por mira e boto cu tin equiponan super moderno abordo ta busca den e area promer cu Malmok. Diadomingo mainta nan lo sigi busca.
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3913/5/#jc_allComments
saturday nightfall the boat "persistence" cu is one boat americano cu have lunas buscando in the lamanan rond of aruba for her possible curpa of natalee holloway owing to ask asistencia of maritiem politie. apparently they will owing to haja one tip y owing to ask for niun boat not enter the area cu will bay busca. on the imagen can see the boat cu have equiponan super modern abordo is busca in the area before malmok. diadomingo morning they will sigi busca. come across

grrrrrrrr...........puter locked up as I tried before!!

Na Colony den e area di santana di cacho un boto bandona a ser encontra. Polis a yega na e sitio y a haja varios obheto manera paña y tambe jug di gasoline. E boto tabata mustra hopi misterioso y lo bay investiga pa mira si por saca afor di ken e boto of pa kiko e boto a ser usa y laga atras.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3918/8/#jc_allComments

boat misterioso owing to wordo confisca come across
at colony in the area of cemetery of cacho one boat bandona owing to being encontra. police owing to arrive at the sitio y owing to haja several obheto as cloths y also jug of gasoline. the boat was show much misterioso y will bay investiga for see if can saca afor of that the boat or for what the boat owing to being using y let behind. come across


.........not sure what this is about.....

Morning Monkeys!!  Stay warm Boston!!

Nut,  does the 24 posting of the persistence say they asked for police assistance?? Are does it say approval to search a certain area? 

Fin, I can't say that is his shirt in the picture below but it's from the same Co.(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba/shirt.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba/829opk4.jpg)

I am not really sure...come across ::MonkeyEek::

GVC......  Some posts on the Shango thread the last two days and back on the thread somewhere…the interview with the tourist has been posted or can be found at Riehl World.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193029,00.html


GRIMM: Right. Right. And I think what happened is "GVC" was seen at some time with Natalee...

(CROSSTALK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Apparently not. His lawyers issued a statement saying that they've never met.

GRIMM: Last week, the Aruban police came out and said she was seen with him at some point in time.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I think Dave Holloway said they had bumped into each other at Carlos and Charlie's or something, too.



More here…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=opsporing

J’s book said he had an ALIBI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry got to go….

Somewhere in the Shango thread there is a discussion about GVC and Joran together on the beach checking out tourist girls .  We often hear Freddy's name in combination, but it has also been speculated that GVC was part of this pimping group too.

Maybe Mum will remember what page it was...we have so many there now.  Until Beth's book came out I always felt the blue-eyed Dutch Marine story originated around GVC, he is much better looking than Joran, whether or not he was involved is still questionable. There was a reason for ALE to arrest him...whatever that was.

Through the Portuguese translator.
boat mysterious owing you wordo confiscates come across at colony in the area of cemetery of cluster one boat bandona owing you being finds police owing you arrive at the besieges and owing has you several obheto cloths and also jug of gasoline. the boat was show much mysterious and will bay investigates will be see if can afor bag of that the boat or will be what the boat owing you being using and left behind. come across

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DIARIO has information that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was fired from his job because police did not want to work with him. Aside from this, Geoffrey is a good friend of Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son, who also was working on the Visibility Team near the sea.

Both of them, according to colleagues, apparently were always talking about how they ‘had fun’ with female tourists who they met on the beach. They even said they liked to lie and say that they were police so that they could do illegal things.

Some months back, Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son was ‘practically’ fired from the team. It is not known where Gerold Dompig’s son is working, but Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is working on the beach, near a water sports company. In other words, he is a ‘beach bum’.

Although there is no confirmation about what his role is in this case, it must be questioned if it starts with the link of the security t-shirt found on the coast near the entrance of the Colony neighbourhood. A lawyer said that on this cloth there is relevant forensic information.  
The piece of clothing was a uniform similar to the one that Geoffrey himself used. More detentions can be expected in the case, although we have information that Geoffrey is not cooperating at all with authorities in this case.

And add this shirt to the missing evdience file. Where is it?

"Geoffrey’s family confirms that their son does not know van der Sloot nor the Kalpoes
DIARIO Aruba
4/21/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): It was Thursday that the van Cromvoirt family reacted and stated openly that their son Geoffrey is not friends with any of the people who were previously detained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

“The van Cromvoirt family distances itself completely from all expressions or declarations which bring Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and any statement in which any role is attributed to him in this case”, the family said in a statement issued in Dutch by his lawyer mr. Eline Lotter-Homan.

Further, the family demonstrated that Geoffrey wasn’t working for VCB Security at the end of May 2005 when Natalee disappeared.

But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday.

Aside from this, only yesterday was it known that the Aruba and Antilles Coast Guard are searching the sea around Aruba with sonar equipment. The search was conducted in secrecy. On Thursday however, the Coast Guard did not continue this search.

The bigger question is: did Geoffrey really meet Natalee that weekend in Aruba?
Previously, there were indications that the Mountain Brook High School kids now recognize his picture. But last Wednesday night on CNN, the mother, Beth Twitty indicated that she does not have any indication that this took place."

Hi Blonde, I appreciate the research and info you present, but a date and a link would be very helpful.  It is sometimes difficult to determine if this is new or re-run information.  This is the first I have read that there is relevant forensic information on the shirt.  I would like to see where that info came from.  Thanks!

The Dutch poster is quoting the 1:09 mark of the following link.  Can any of our Dutch posters hear anything??

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_v

I just found this it was in Dutch I had it saved
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

Preview Voiceover: Geoffrey, suspected in the Holloway matter, do its shocking tale. Geoffrey, suspect in the Holloway case, tells his shocking story Geoffrey of Cromvoirt: In the first two days I lay there in my pants. It is is there blood and blood is called, therefore you lie sweat there constantly and insecten, rats, complete large rats, cockroaches. It is of course believe it is not. You there also lie on a piece concrete. You cannot sleep, everything do pain and daarbovenop get you once more that charge. Geoffrey of Cromvoirt: The first two days I lay in my underwear there. It`s very hot inside there, so you are constantly sweating and insects, rats, very piglet rats, cockroaches. Ofcourse it`s unbelievable. You are lying on a piece or concrete. You can`t sleep, everything hurts, and on top or that, you property this accusation. Willem van Cromvoirt: D'r is a lot of written and said concerning that boy and for this reason wants I one-off an interview do and that is this interview. Willem van Cromvoirt: They spun and wrote so much about this boy, that`s why I because to do one interview and that is this one. Galle Lyon van Vessem: Geoffrey of Cromvoirt and father Willem break the dumbness concerning the unscrupulous study into the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway. Galle Lyon van Vessem: Geoffrey of Cromvoirt and his father Willem are breaking their silence about the unscrupulous investigation into the dissapearance or the American Natalalee Holloway. Interview Voiceover: Geoffrey of Cromvoirt tell its shocking tale. He has Natalee Holloway and never suspected around its disappearance met, but he for days was nevertheless held and was interrogated. Interview Voiceover: Geoffrey of Cromvoirt tells his shocking story. He never with Natalalee Holloway and the suspects, but still were incarcerated for days and interrogated. Galle Lyon: Yes the case Natalee Holloway occupies the gemoederen already almost a year and still is it a riddle what has exactly happened nou with her. You without delay see therefore an exclusive interview with Geoffrey of Cromvoirt. We firstly list all events in the matter Holloway once more. Galle Lyon: Yes, the case about Natalee Holloway occupies the (gemoederen? Feelings? Thoughts?) almost for a year now, and still it`s a mystery what happened to her. In a moment you will see an exclusive interview with Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. First we trick all or the events in the more frosted or the Holloway case once more. Voiceover: The 18 person whose birthday it is Natalee Holloway leaves in May 2005, with its school class, for a holiday to Aruba. On 30 May she will step an evening but she no longer returns afterwards to its hotel. Voiceover: The 18 year old Natalee Holloway leaves in may 2005 together with her graduation class for a sniffing to Aruba. On may 30th she are going the night out, but she doesn`t return to her hotel after that. Beth Twitty: And I'd got a phone call, it's a mother's sausage nightmare, Debra. There are no other sausage nightmare. Voiceover: Shortly after the disappearance of Natalee the Dutchman Joran of of the ditch and 2 friends Deepak and Satish become have been arrested. They will have considered the little girl as a last. Joran explained her that aware evening on the range to have left behind, but does not say know what afterwards with her has happened. The 3 friends are for months on end interrogated and in September free are just left because of lack of proof. A couple days later comes study Joran to the Netherlands. Voiceover: Shortly after the dissapearance or Natalee, the dutchman Joran of of the ditch and his 2 friends Deepak and Satish were arrested. They supposedly were the charge ones WHO saw the girl. Joran stated that he left her that evening on the beach, but says he doesn`t know what happened to her afterwards. The three friends were interrogated for months and were released in September because or the lack or evidence. A few months after that, Joran came to the Netherlands to study. Joran of of the ditch: I am still suspected in the matter yes and the judge has decided let start me simply to my study, but if I be still interrogated, that would be simply in the Netherlands. Joran of of the ditch: I`m still a suspect in this case yes, and the judge decided to pay attention me start with my study, but if they property to interrogate me that would bite complete in the Netherlands. Voiceover: Since disappearance Natalee on Aruba several missing action have been loved there. Volunteers, the FBI and even Dutch F16's peaks the island from, but a body is entirely found never. A couple weeks suffered the television programme detection attention has requested spent on the matter. There no less than 90 tips come in. N.a.v. which keep tips the police force a new verdachte to, again a Dutchman, the 19 person whose birthday it is Geoffrey of Cromvoirt, but also he denies make something with the vermissing of Natalee to have. Voiceover: Since the disappearance or Natalee there were several searches hero on Aruba. Volunteers, the FBI and even Dutch F16`s searched all concerning the island, but a body were never found. A couple or weeks ago the Dutch TV programm "detection requested" to has given this case some attention. There were no less than 90 tips. Because or those tips the ALE arrested a new suspect, again a dutchman, the 19 year old Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, but he also denies having anything to do with the disappearance or Natalee. Galle Lyon: Yes Geoffrey of Cromvoirt say therefore that he has nothing with the matter Holloway to do. He is at this moment, with its parents, in the Netherlands and spoke exclusively with report donor Ilse van Wingerden. Galle Lyon: Yes Geoffrey van Cromvoirt says that he hasn`t got anything to do with the Holloway case. This with moment he are with his parents in the Netherlands, and Ilse van Wingerden had an exclusive interview with him. THE FATAL EVENING THE FATAL NIGHT Ilse van Wingerden: The evening which Natalee disappeared, where were you that fatal evening? Ilse van Wingerden: The night that Natalee disappeared, where were you? Geoffrey: I was at that moment was I at home with my parents. We have afterwards still had it concerning, of goh it is better that you had remained at home which evening, because differently you had met perhaps that person and yes I had therefore had luck that I that evening at home was. Geoffrey: That ate time I were home ate with my parents, we talked about it later on, that it were a good thing I stayed home that night, or otherwise I could property maybe with this person, so yes I were lucky that I were home that night. Willem: Therefore yes a serious event on the island therefore everyone talks and you are to for speculating what can happened there be and how it can be happened but yes that only remains at speculation because you weet substantive weet you cannot you speculate nevertheless of the pace of matter therefore only. Willem: Well yes a serious event on the island, so everybody are talking about it, and you speculate what could property happened, and how it could property happened, but it`s only speculations, because you basically don`t know anything about it, so all you can do are speculate. Geoffrey: We looked at of course also on the street if we perhaps or we would see running not her if on the range and this way, therefore we did not know much then. Therefore yes we asked of course to each other of: had you seen its? Were you there? But yes we knew nothing then that time. Geoffrey: We were looking on the streets if we would see her walking or on the beach or something, we didn`t know that much about it ate the time. So we asked each other; Property you seen her? Were you there? But ate that time we didn`t knew anything else about it. THE HYPE Geoffrey: The attention was of course very large, normal vermist person do not get so much attention normal, but that found I also very a lot because with tourism which that Aruba was this way put in picture and that many leugens concerning Aruba became were taken place and that was there I even angry for. I followed it because I found it a lot of course complete and tuurlijk every time followed if Aruba on television and went I was to the television and will look at what has happened and is news... Natalee has been found but but there came nothing. Geoffrey: The attention were ofcourse huge, normally a normal missing person wouldn`t get this much or attention, but i found that also to be terrible because they made such a piglet issue about the tourism or Aruba and that there were alot or groin on Aruba, and that made me very angry. I followed the case because i thought this were terrible and watched everytime when Aruba were mentioned on TV, and wathced what happened and if there were news... if Natalee were found, but there wasn`t anything. Ilse: At a data moment nou a programme was made detection requested, how you has there against looked at? Ilse: Did a eat certain moment they made a program about it to on "detection requested", what were your take on that? Geoffrey: My zus has there even taken part in in and I wanted in this complete gladly also take part in that I had already said against my father. Geoffrey: My for the even played a part in that, and I also wanted to play a part in that, i already my spun dad that. Ilse: Why? Ilse: Why? Geoffrey: Me did not determine, I want always complete gladly police force ehh or on TV hahaha come and yes but now are of course I natural on TV on the found oneself manner, but I mean yes I wanted myself to participate and I found natural well that a research came there and perhaps is there, however, what important tips to help that matter, but I was yes then arrested. Geoffrey: I didn`t care, I always wanted to be part or the police (mispoke) ehh... or on TV hehehe, and yes now i am ofcourse on TV, but in the wringed way ofcourse, but yes i mean yes I wanted to be a part or that, and ofcourse I thought it were good there would be an investigation, and maybe there would come in very important tips to help the case, but yes than they arrested me. Galle Lyon: Then we now change gear concerning to the redactie where Ilse van are themselves Wingerden. Ils, good evening. Its little sister anticipated that small film of detection requested and he wants himself in fact also a cotton reel. What bizar detail are that actual. Galle Lyon: Now we are going back to the studio where Ilse van Wingerden are. Ils, goodevening. His for the had been requested playing a part in the re enactment or "detection" and he wanted also to play a little roll in it. What a bizar detail. Ilse: It is indeed to bizar detail, says but in fact also complete he had presented ironically as a stand-in for that reconstructie of the programme detection requested himself and he becomes yes shortly after the retransmission he himself is taken up. If it is not this way serious then you there, however, hard must laugh. He has been taken up n.a.v. of the fact that he seemed on a yes possible verdachte who has come during that detection research. Nou Geoffrey sit simply at home at a given moment and are rung by the police force or he just as to the police station wants come and he did not have in fact no insipid idea, its father also, for which. Ilse: It`s indeed a very bizar detail, you can say ironic, he applied ash a stand-in for the re enactment or the program "detection requested" and shortly after that program he was being arrested himself. If it wasn`t so serious, you would laughing your ass or (my words). He were being arrested because or the fact that he looked like a possible supsect, who`s leg in the picture or this investigation. Geoffrey were just sitting ate home, and suddenly the police called his home to ask if he could come down to the police station, and he had no idea why, neither did his father. JORAN Ilse: At data moment Joran of of the ditch are taken up, knew you him? Ilse: Did a eat certain moment they picked up Joran of of the ditch, did you knew him? Geoffrey: No, I went regularly therefore to Carlos'n Charlie's, he also went to Carlos'n Charlie's, but I have never known him. Of last of the television I have seen him, but for the rest I him has had never real contact with him. Geoffrey: No, I get used regularly to Carlos and Charlie's, he also get used there, but I never with him. Lately on the TV I saw him, but I never had any contact with him. Willem: Only what I to learn has known the family is by means of the media. And formerly I have never spoken yes the family. Perhaps unconscious ever sometimes seen, that that weet you of course never. Willem: The only thing I know about that family, are what I heared thru the media. And before that I never haunt to them. Maybe I subconsiously property seen them, but you never know that ofcourse. Geoffrey: I always thought of: he weet more, which I have always said, I do not say weet more he, but I I weet I weet it. Nobody weet it. It is a complete strange matter and what has happened it is all complete terrible onwerkelijkheid, but it is not very strange natural, your weet it. Geoffrey: I always thought; He knows more, I always said that, but I really don`t know. Nobody knows. It`s a very strange case, what has happened are very unreal, but it`s strange ofcourse, you don`t know. ARREST THE JUDGMENT Willem: He worked then for the time on the range, therefore perhaps they had what questions to him. Nou therefore to and yes and eventually to my large stupefaction they apprehend him. Willem: He worked ate the time ate the beach, so maybe they had some questions for him, and to my surprise they arrested him. Geoffrey: And I myself waited there in a box and at a given moment comes the aid officer belongs to to me and those say against me of you are arrested. Geoffrey: I waited in there in a small room, and ate a certain moment the deputy justice officer came to me and spun me; You are arrested. Willem: Them things have explained concerning my zoon and that is possible 80 people is able that be as speak. Willem: They had spun things about my son, but that can be said about 80 other different people, ash a more frosted or speech. Ilse: He would seem on someone who be in the buurt of Natalee.... Ilse: He supposedly looks like someone WHO could property leg in Natalee`s presence. Willem: possible Willem: Possibly Geoffrey: I have not seen of course those declarations which they have not said concerning me of is perhaps it is, however, perhaps it a bluf itself that weet you but you are scared of course complete a lot how something can say you concerning someone that this way is not. You are scared very terrible. I was put in insurance which evening still and I prevent in such celletje and you become of course you really a papiertje you and there get stand therefore on for which you are stuck and then become you of course entirely crazy and... Geoffrey: Ofcourse I didn`t see any or those statement, and maybe it`s bluffing, that`s something you don`t know, but it scares the shit out or you. How can you tell things about someone else, if that isn`t true? You are very scared. They draw me into custody that night, and you come into one or those little cells, you get a little piece or paper with on it the reasons why you are incarcerated, and ofcourse you will get totally nuts and... Ilse: What stood? Ilse: What were written on it? Geoffrey: There stood up of that your suspected became of assassination, verkrachting, doodslag and etc. I do not beat weet exact, but you of course by am very terrible onwerkelijkheid and then sit you in such an cell and then think you of for which for which sits I here and it is simply a roller coaster of feelings then and your weet what you must do. Geoffrey: That I were suspected or murder, rape, manslaughter and etc. I don`t know excactly, but you will go nuts, it`s very unreal, and then you are sitting in a cell and you think; Why am I complete, and it`s just a rollercoaster or feelings, and you don`t know what to do. Ilse: What feels you then at about a moment? Ilse: What are you feeling ate such a moment?(stupid question tsk tsk) Geoffrey: Boosheid verdrietigheid for your family also of what goes there what goes them doorheen what their would think and yes I that evening had still entirely crazily become and afterwards has them me had been also entirely stripped in my pants because they thought that I would hang myself perhaps on what I therefore there days therefore also 2 in my pants on a piece concrete Geoffrey never do I will have lain: Angerness, sadness for your family, also what are going thru them and what they would think. And yes I became totally crazy that night and later on they stripped me or all my clothes besides my boxer, because they thought I would maybe hang myself, which I would never do, and then I layed down there for 2 days in my boxer on conrete. Ilse: With that papiertje on which stood you are involved in assassination, doodslag, verkrachting of Natalee? Ilse: With that little paper which stated that you were an accessory in the murder, manslaughter and rape or Natalee? Geoffrey: Yes Geoffrey: Yes Ilse: You has that how frequently read on that papiertje? Ilse: How often did you read that piece or paper? Geoffrey: I him 1 time has read on and I wanted simply no longer read him and I him to my lawyer him I have given him. Geoffrey: I read it once because I didn`t because to read it again, and gave it to my attorney. Willem: Why that he has sat there? That we know up to on the day of today know we that still not. Willem: Why he spent time in there? Till this day we still don`t know that. Geoffrey: They have also said of course my family complete of of that them also will take up and and and there becomes you of course entirely crazily of, because it is only what there you have at that moment family also your and you think constantly of them. Geoffrey: They also spun me they would judgment my whole family, and ofcourse that drives you crazy, because the only thing what you property is your family and you are thinking about them constantly. Willem: I weet certainly also that under very he no no things will will run clamours which have not done that. Purely towards the matter looking at I say of yes... hype. Willem: I`m sure that also under pressure he wouldn`t say things which he didn`t do. So purely looking this with case I say yes, again another hype. Ilse: As a father? Ilse: Ash a dad? Willem: Yes if father is you able drive the wall and him to obtain. Willem: Yes, ash a dad you are capable to drive thru that wall to get him out or there. Geoffrey: I knew of course that I the next day for had come and I had, I knew almost certain that I could go to house and and in 1 time my door opens and and I say I must become interrogated if say this and that and them in 1 time of no you are free. Geoffrey: Ofcourse I knew that I would property to go before a judge the next morning, and I were almost sure that I could go home, and suddenly my by opens, and I said; Are you coming to interrogate me and this and that, and then they said; No you are free to go. Galle Lyon: And then he stood indeed. The proofs against Geoffrey which are flinterdun stronger still 1 of the witnesses which have already said my declaration in fact nowhere on have been yes been based on, which has been more or less lain. Galle Lyon: And then he indeed were released. The evidence against Geoffrey are very thin, actually one or the witnesses already stated that his statement was based on nothing, it were more or less a lie. Geoffrey have permanently sat days, however, almost 10 and he said me yes d'r many leugens concerning me and my family have been poured out terribly. Geoffrey were incarcerated for almost 10 days, and he spun me; Yes they spun terrible groin about me and my family. THE LEUGENS THE GROIN Ilse: What find do you most terrible what there to leugens concerning you and it has been told concerning your family? Ilse: What do you think the sausage or groin they have been spun about you and your family? Willem: What I most terrible what I find most terrible am that them a young boy a stamp on to press becomes yes that this way but taken up and which is yes accused that of everything what not seen absolutely absolutely where is, also rockly-hard what to refute is, business my company at is involved my name is called nou that a stands that of it already entirely loose concerning the leugens then. He in that time at at the visibility team operative have been. There he was was he not operative there. He also the arrangement concerning the clothing of of our company d'r a t-shirt or polo'tje write them in the press found to be, nou that is 11 months is suffered there a large-scale search operation on the island then there was, a overhemd of my company have been found there. That just as well polo'tje of SBS6 could have been. Willem: What I find the sausage are that they stigmatise a young boy, yes they just judgment him, they accuse him or everything which isn`t truth, and that can also easily be proven, businesswise my company becomes involved, my nasty are named, and that hasn`t gotten anything to do with it, the groin I mean. He supposedly worked ate the time for the Visibility team. But he didn`t work there. He also didn`t property the clothes from our company, there supposedly were a t-shirt or some poloshirt found they write in the press, well that were 11 months ago and when there were a piglet search on the island, they found a shirt or my company. That could property leg just ash easy a poloshirt or SBS 6. Ilse: Or would in any case forensic material of Geoffrey go by rail blood on to sit? Ilse: Could there be blood or forensic material from Geoffrey, on that shirt? Willem: No absolute absolutely also not. That was indeed also written and was called and was said that blood and yes that forensic material would be present, nou nothing of all that. I will have had the schikking concerning concerning the video the tapes at the Holiday Inn on account of my function by means of my company. We will have installed the cameras there. All nothing nothing nothing nothing of where. Willem: No absolutely not. That`s something that were indeed written and yelled then, that there were blood and forensic material on that shirt, no nothing ate all. I supposedly had acces to those videotapes with the Holiday Inn, because or my job. We supposedly installed cameras there. All or that are not true. Ilse: What means it all that it is written and published? Ilse: What does that mean that that`s all leg written and publicized? Willem: What do I of find there? Yes that it is simply absurd, that is poll makerij. Willem: What I think about that? That it`s absurd, that`s just rousing. Geoffrey: What other people call that it goes out one ear in and the other ear. [ color=red]Geoffrey: What other people say goes in one ear and goes out the other ear. Ilse: But camera teams, journalists, I understood also that they lay even litteral for your house. Ilse: But camera teams, journalist, I understood they song lierally in front or your house. Geoffrey: Yes yes that is ordinary cameras for for the walls, tries with kicks behind our wall concerning our wall gone to come and yes that is of course complete intense, but think then you of late them but stand bake nice in that sun. Geoffrey: Yes yes, cameras in front or the walls, trying to get with ladders behind our wall to climb concerning our wall and yes that`s ofcourse very intense, but then you`ll think; them bake in the sun pay attention. Willem: After its vrijlating that very those media that media hangs circus for your door, mail from your mail box obtains, entirely absurd and you must try there then quiet to remain. Willem: After his release, that that medium circus are in front or your by, stealing mail out or your mail box, totally absurd, and then try to stay calm. Geoffrey: You come everywhere on the news like then I were taken up was the first where I frightened for was of that them my name would will use and that thinks other people of whom are those Geoffrey? Geoffrey: You are everywhere in the news, just like when the arrested me, the first thing they asked me was if I was afraid that they would use my nasty and that other people would think; Who`s that guy Geoffrey? The FUTURE THE FUTURE Willem: We sit yes still full with with anger, allenig yes we go, however, just as look at considering what we what we what kind of further steps we will undertake. Willem: We are still full with anger, only, yes we will think about what we are going to do next. Ilse: For example if there are sepot a detriment-claim? Ilse: For example if this are dismissed, a claim? Willem: That belongs perhaps to the possibilities, which have something like that of the lawyers who are that with that busy and which examines the matter yes at this moment I and in this I have the fullest faith. Willem: That`s within the realm or the possibillities, yes with this moment i`m thinking something like, the attorneys are looking into that and looking ate the case, and I property alot or confidence in that. Ilse: How does it go now further with you? Ilse: How are you doing now? Geoffrey: You look at there differently against, you watch out more for things and yes you are of course frightened for each dingetje because they have made a mistake now such is you there of course also frightened of, of weet you, is possible something you, however, can you solicit to will do this way you are of course still frightened that they take up you or this way for something or for the same matter which they take up you is you there natural hartstikke frightened for. Geoffrey: You are looking ate things differently, you watch out more, and yes ofcourse you are afraid for every little thing, because they made such a piglet mistake, that scares you also, like you know you can do things or something and still are afraid that they will going to judgment you again for something, or for the same case, you are scared shitless ofcourse. (again my own interpretation, fun) Galle Lyon: He Ilse, can be indeed still taken up Geoffrey for this matter? Galle Lyon: Hey Ilse, are it true that they still can judgment Geoffrey for this case? Ilse: In principle, however, we have had still even contact concerning with the Public Prosecution Service on Aruba. Yes the case has been officially not yet dismissed, Geoffrey are still suspected, therefore can happen there in fact theoretical still of everything in this yes mysterious matter. Ilse: Basically yes, we`ve had contact with the justice department on Aruba. Yes the case still isn`t officially dismissed, Geoffrey are still a suspect, so theoretically everything still can bite in this, yes, very mysteriously case. Galle Lyon: O.K. we will hear undoubtedly still more of you, thank you, however. Galle Lyon: Okay, i`m sure we will hear more from you, thank you...

"But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday."


I have always believed that there is a critical piece of the story that is embedded in the circumstances surrounding GVC's arrest. If the evidence they had "demonstrates clearly" his involvement then why was he released and why is this information not "divulged?" 

There needs to be accountability on this front.

WHY WAS HE DETAINED MOS??

Tamikosmom, here is the link to the above article.  Near the bottom of the page.

Diario Aruba
4/18/2006

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_16_archive.html

Blonde
Would you mind giving a small synopsis of the above article you posted? Just the high points.  I read it all and I am not very good at reading that translation.  I think I am missing something....please help. TIA

Personally, I have not believed that GVC was directly involved.  I remember kbm/kawish/joran trying to throw him under the bus.  When we first researched the Visibility Team, GVC was unheard of and the HI was not listed as one of their clients.  I think it is too ironic that Dompig enters the security business and his son Michael badmouths the competitor's son.

Having said that, I did save this from RU, for those still interested in GVC:

GVC
Trixie  Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:19 pm
SMreject1977 wrote:
I dont know guys Ive been talking with someone online who "says" he has an inside source (take this for what it is im not saying to believe or not but I dont post lies) well she told me that this is the reason the judge was brought to the jail and not to the courthouse. it wasnt because the courthouse was closed, it was but under normal conditions they would have opened it up. the reason they didnt is because this is somewhat fake detention. To get more info from GVC. The searches in the water for four days seems like a big coincidence that was the same day GVC was arrested. Anyways she says he dig sell Joran roofies and also has info on where she is and the real reason joran doesnt have his shoes. She also told me that another BOMSHELL video tape is going to come to light next week that shows the day beth got there Joran was not at the Casino. This is far from over guys according to this person but then again it could all be bs.
 
 :smt102

::MonkeyWaa::

I had it saved for personal useI have  no link
Interview Geoffrey and his Dad......
I'm a VERY BAD GIRL

If everyone remembers when GVC was arrested it took us all by surprise.  He wasn't even on the radar...so what was happening at the time?   The Dr. Phil documents do not ask for his PV's or Guido's...so how was he involved?  We know they wanted info on Guido's quad racer...which was a month after GVC's arrest.  We will never see GVC's PV...it may not even exist anymore. I am thinking the Kalpoes are out of the mix by now as far as ALE is concerned.  Jacobs already knew about the seizures and they were working the disposal angle by now...we of course, did not know that at the time.

GVC alibi?  Of course we have nothing on that either.  The only thing we can see that is on record (doesn't mean it's not there) is Jacobs questioning Melody...Joran's friend.  14 days later GVC is brought in with much fanfare.  Something happened in between to key ALE in to GVC's involvement...or maybe they suspected him from the beginning and couldn't crack that alibi he had...he would make a good choice for a "boyfriend".  Maybe...maybe not. MOO

It's okay...don't worry. I have done that before too.

Good Morning Monkeys.

Thanks you Blonde.  Thank you Pita.

Janet
9:00 AM

Logic implies that Freddy Arambatzis 6th and 7th declarations ... the declaration that affirms Joran van der Sloot's words in the Peter Devries' video recording ... are missing.

I hope John Q. Kelly is looking into this.

Janet

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FREDDY ARAMBATZIS

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
 
Page 160/161
After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.
Unofficial Engish translation

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Phil McGraw Disclosure Log

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend
 
Name: loran van der Sloot & Freddy Arambatzis
Date; 13 June 2005118:30
Pages: 2
Writer/lnitiator: Dennis Jacobs I Juan Boezem
Description: transcript of a face to face meeting
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
63
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

I have posted the full interview, in a seperate topic under Natalee.  Look for GVC and dad....It is quite long.......but easy to read.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt Arrested in Aruba; Witness, Suspect or Something else in the Natalee Holloway Disappearance

After 11 months into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, 19 year old Geoffrey van Cromvoirt has been arrested. It is unknown at this time what his involvement is to the case as to whether he is a suspect or a witness. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the VCB security company. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies on Aruba. Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt also appears to have been a part of the Visibility Team on Aruba as well.  


Van Cromvoirt’s family runs the security company, according to Tacopina. The company provides security for the Aruban government and private companies, including the Holiday Inn, where Holloway was staying, he said. The company installed the security camera and patrols the beach. Van Cromvoirt was part of the team that patrolled the Holiday Inn’s beach in the early hours of the morning, according to Tacopina.

Thank you Buckeye, that was very interesting.  I didn't realize the shirt was found that much later.

I don't think it was.  Maybe he meant being questioned about it 11 mon. later??

Where is Clive??  Maybe we can get his picture posted at fok.

Clive behind the bar:

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From the CnC forum:

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http://www.record-eagle.com:80/features/local_story_055100313.html

Published: February 24, 2008 10:03 am   

Kathy Gibbons: Before girls go wild, watch this
BY KATHY GIBBONS
Local Columnist




The confession of Joran Van der Sloot should be required viewing for any girl heading to Mexico or similar spot for spring break.

Van der Sloot is the Dutch student long suspected in having something to do with the 2005 disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway on spring break in Aruba. Her body was never found.

A Dutch reporter secretly taped Van der Sloot talking about her disappearance in a tale that seemed to fill in all the blanks: she left a bar with him and two of his friends, got dropped off on a beach alone with him, they started engaging in sexual activity, she supposedly went into convulsions and died, and he called a friend to got rid of her body.

He was arrogant, his scorn for her from the get-go clear: "So those b--ches ... they'd already been drinking the entire time ... she came up to me ... so the whore jumped on the bar and she wanted me to take a jelly shot out of her navel and I did it ... she's drunk, really drunk ... I was thinking, I'll just take the girl with me, we'll go ----" And then later, "She really wanted it."

Zero compassion for her. It was all and only about him.

It made me sick when I think of girls and their mind set when they go on these trips. They come out of American towns and cities where, if they drink, it's illegal, on the sly, and normally among friends. They head to unfamiliar places with their "nothing can happen to me" certainty, and where they can drink.

When we went to Mexico with a group of families my daughter's senior year spring break, they were all excited about going to clubs to dance every night. We parents were very much aware of the potential dangers and had a lot of discussion ahead of time. We expected their behavior to be on the same level as it is at home. We also had rules: stay together, and come back together, by a certain time.

Still, it was scary. We would have great days with families together poolside. We'd have dinner together. Then I'd go into internal panic mode when at about 10 p.m., off the kids went, on dark streets, where men with machine guns stood guard at jewelry stores. No cell phones. No one to call if they didn't return.

They pretty much followed the rules. Everyone survived. But as nice as it was, I was glad when the week was over.

Because even the greatest kids don't always make good choices. Throw in alcohol, and it's even worse. Every girl I can think of knows -- as I'm sure a sober Natalee Holloway knew -- that the most unsafe thing a girl can do is go off alone with strange guys, in a foreign country, at night, period, let alone drunk.

Before we went to Mexico, I kept trying to think of ways to impress on my daughter how unsafe this trip could be if she and her friends didn't use their heads. If we were going now, I would have the way. It's at www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_qYrEOdTn0.

Dihannah - maybe?  I wish we could get a full pap translation of that article.  Haven't seen anything about it at RU which I find odd and telling at the same time.

Always trying to throw someomne else under the bus... GVC, etc.
Joe T wouldn't be doing his job if he came on the American networks and said, Yes, My client has admitted his gulit to me, now prove it in a court of law.
Now that the big settlement from Aruba is not going to happen for the Sloots, wonder who is going to foot the bill for this ? Altruistic ? Joe doesn't strike me as the type who would work for nothing. Not many people do. Sure, you might do some " volunteeer" work or " pro bono " but then how do you support yourself ?
Joe T was hired to rehabilite Joran's image he said. Joran is not important enough to need this, Aruba is.   

Hmmmm, your right, interesting that RU hasn't translated yet.  Nothing at BFN either yet?  Hopefully one of our Dutch friends get in here soon!

Bonaire still without corps leader  

KRALENDIJK – Since Jan van Straten left late January, Bonaire is still without a chief of police.  His contract ran out per February 1.  Justice-minister David Dick (PAR) regrets the fact that the Netherlands didn’t cooperate and let Van der Straten stay a little longer until a new chief of police was appointed. 

Van der Straten works for the Dutch police and they decided that he had to go back.  The council of ministers would decide on a new chief of police this month in anticipation of the application committee.  The corps of police is currently led by chief inspector Oscar Obispo.  Minister Dick confirmed this morning that no decision was made yet on the chief of police.  He said two weeks ago:  “We will make sure that Bonaire gets a good chief of police.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

Our Dutch friends can't help us unless they can read Pap.  ::MonkeyWink::

I'm off to get some cleaning done.  Will be checking in and out.  Hopefully get a translations soon! ;)

I just heard Hollaback Girl on the t.v. and I will never listen to that song the same again!

Oh yeah ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

When Peter R. DeVries first posted his English webpage, the contact was his producer, Peter Schouten.

I had sent a short question (and thank you for the taping).  I just now got a reply.

Me:
Is it against the law to publish the name of the judge that gives a ruling?  Can the ruling itself be published?  Are judges not held accountable for their decisions?

Peter  S.
Thank you very much for your kind words and praise. The answers are: No - Yes - No Greetings. Peter


Guess he doesn't think much of the judges, either.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks for the GVC thread.  Does this disturb anyone else?  Dirty Hand is still controlling things?  Wow!  No wonder the Dutch are no better at solving this.  My opinion of course.

Klaas how long was Van der Straten Chief of Police in Bonaire.  TIA  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I always wanted to do that.

YES!

Van der Straten will now go back to the Netherlands and join is partner in crime Karin Janssen.  It was only a matter of time.

Mornin' Lala's,

It just makes it more apparent to me, that Natalee was picked out/chosen from the herd of MB Students days before the actual kidnapping...for what purpose...I don't know for shure...but I do think she was targeted way in advance...and surrounded by *pimps* at every opportunity they could keep her in their sights....What shits!!! Diabolical Evil Shits!!!

2 years maybe?  I remember something about it being temporary.

Thanks Klaas.

So they forced him to temporarily retire because of his involvement.  Then he shows up in Bonaire temporarily so he can still keep his eye on what is happening and then his final destination with be the Netherlands where he will eventually be joined by Paulus as soon as Val finishes his senior year.  They will all be together like one big happy murdering family.

Maybe Karin Janssen and Anita will become best buds and she will invite her over for tea and they can discuss what a great job they both did in the cover-up.

Note to KJ watching your tea their might be something in it.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_18_archive.html

12.22.2005
According to veteran policeman he will restructure the Bonaire force
Jan van der Straten will serve as High Commissioner for 6 to 12 months
He has an agreement with the Bonaire police union so he doesn’t understand the conflict
Bon Dia
12/22/2005

ORANJESTAD – As long as the country decision is not signed and in his hands, Jan vd Straten does not plan to start his new job in Bonaire as High Commissioner of the island of flamingos. Jan vd Straten said this to Bon Dia Aruba yesterday in an exclusive interview.

He confirmed the Bon Dia Aruba news that he will be the next chief of police of Bonaire and said that while he accepted this job, Aruba remains his home.

REQUEST FOR VD STRATEN
It was 2 to 3 years ago that the Antilles made the first attempt to seek vd Straten to work in Bonaire. “But my contract (in Aruba) was to end in August 15, 2005, so there wasn’t a possibility to go”, vd Straten said to this publication. He will procure to finalize this re-organization in Aruba first. After the invitation from the current Minister of Justice of the Anitlles, David Dick, he accepted the position. It was after two months passed that he spoke to his colleague and current Bonaire police chief Gerold Daantje.

WORKING TOGETHER
Here, they spoke about how they’re going to work together to see how vd Straten can work in Bonaire to prepare the police force in a new way and establish a relationship with Holland. While Daantje shared his opinion about the functioning in Bonaire, he expressed his preference to continue to study IT via a study task of the government of the US. As such, he came to an agreement with Minister Dick to leave Bonaire.

COUNTRY DECIDES
Once the country decision is made and in vd Straten’s hands, in what relates to his new function, he has to write a letter to Holland to postpone the payment of his pension for 6 to 12 months, which is the duration of his contract with Bonaire. The reason is that during this time, vd Straten will prepare the position for another person who has to assume the role as commissioner. The intention is to work on some project that will procure more security for the people of Bonaire, something that vd Straten considers an assured challenge.

UPSET IN THE FORCE
The fact that there is mention of an upset among members of the Bonaire police force with the arrival of vd Straten, is no very comprehensible for the former police commissioner of Aruba. This is because, according to the veteran policeman, he had a good understanding with the Bonaire police union. “It has always been my opinion that you have to care about these things that are very regulated for my colleagues. Then vd Straten will come”, the former commissioner continues to say. “That is an agreement with the union that they said to me 2 months ago. They assured me that they didn’t have a problem with anything”, vd Straten continued to say, reiterating that these issues have to be solved. “Van der Straten will not go work in a place where a colleague is already sitting as police chief”, vd Straten said.

STARTING DATE
The initial date mentioned for the police veteran to start his new position in Bonaire, according to Minister David Dick, is the 1st of January, 2006. But in practice, it seems that this will be a little later. “This is the main point. But everything has to be settled” vd Straten continued to say. He will not base it on a verbal agreement nor on a written one, but on a country decision.

“It is on a letter from the Minister that they will be in full agreement, but for me it has to be a country agreement to delay my pension”, vd Straten said. About the question that if he is asked to extend his permanency in Bonaire after a year, he categorically said no. “I am willing to work between 6 and 12 months in Bonaire. However, do not forget that I am retired. And my heart is in Aruba. I like working in Bonaire, but until now I live very well in Aruba” vd Straten finally said.

Dutch Destroyer in the port of Aruba~

http://news.webshots.com/photo/2894474120063228069keyrsX?vhost=news

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 ::MonkeyShocked::

Dutch police!!!!  I realized that Karin Janssen (prosecutor) was appointed by the Netherlands but ... I was under the impression that the Aruban Law Enforment was independent of the Netherlands.

Almost three years since Natalee Holloway went missing and ... I am still learning.

Janet

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February 22, 2008 - Bonaire still without corps leader

Glenda posted at RU three or four weeks ago that
Van der Straaten was back on Aruba.

I guess he got stuck in Bonaire another year when he said no he would not go over a year.

His contract got extended until August 15th.  If my memory serves me right he took vacation right before then and made a trip to Holland and Karin Janssen also made a trip at the same time.  Coincidence?  I think not.

The Dutch Government has been increasingly worried about the crime situation in the Netherlands Antilles. Not only is the decision to continue financing the Netherlands Antilles Safety Plan proof of that, but also the debates on establishing a Kingdom Law to regulate the Coast Guard of the Netherlands Antilles.

Dutch Minister of Defence proposed in the Dutch Parliament to extend the legal basis for the Coast Guard and add “safeguarding of the independence and the defence of the Kingdom” to its tasks.

The Dutch Government believes that extending the basis of the Kingdom Law should be looked at in the perspective of a worldwide increase in crimes related to drug smuggling, human trafficking and terrorism.

Nine days in detention!!!

Remember ... detention under Dutch law requires strong/serious suspicions.  Why was Geoffrey van Cromvoirt not just questioned as a witness?

Also ... I find it very suspcious that attorney Eline Lotter Homan also represented Steve Croes.

Beth questioned whether there was a connection.

My theory implies that Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt assisted Paulus van der Sloot on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... asssisted Paulus van der Sloot in moving Natalee Holloway from the beach to Lorenzo's home.
 
Janet

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/25/AR2006042500516.html

Teen: No Info on Holloway Disappearance

By JONATHAN M. KATZ
The Associated Press
Tuesday, April 25, 2006; 10:45 AM

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- The 19-year-old man released in the case of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway has "no relevant information" about her disappearance and was not involved in that or in drug offenses, his lawyer said.

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was released Monday, nine days after police arrested him, but the Aruba public prosecutor's office said he remained a suspect.

The teenager was arrested based on witness statements, but family and friends said he does not fit the descriptions and was home on the night of May 29 and 30 when Holloway disappeared, said lawyer Eline Lotter Homan in a Dutch statement to the media issued late Monday night.

Van Cromvoirt had been held on suspicion of "criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Holloway" and possible drug offenses, prosecutors said earlier. He was released Monday morning when prosecutors announced, "the grounds for his detention are no longer there."
"He at no time has met Natalee Holloway, nor has any relevant information pertaining to her disappearance," the defense lawyer said, adding that he denied allegations of a drug offense. She said he cooperated fully with the investigation, which sped up his release.

The prosecutor's office also said Monday that a 20-year-old man with the initials A.B. was arrested in the Holloway case on Saturday and was released after six hours of interrogation. No details have been provided.

Van Cromvoirt left an Oranjestad police station with family members on Monday. Journalists did not see him at the family's two-story yellow house topped by a Spanish tile roof.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, was 18 when she vanished on May 30 _ the final night of her high school graduation trip to this Dutch Caribbean island.

Authorities have arrested eight people in connection with Holloway's disappearance and released them due to lack of evidence.

Dutch marines, the Aruban Coast Guard, the FBI and hundreds of volunteers have searched the island and coastal areas for Holloway, to no avail. Authorities were studying images of the sea floor taken during a four-day search that ended last week, but no results have been announced.


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
April 18, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html

TWITTY: ......And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect (GVC) and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion  from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

Because suspects can lie and witnesses can't.

Hi Monkeys...as always, waiting impatiently for justice.  Outrageously maddening that nothing has happened yet as a result of the car tapes. 

Can anyone tell me when the NYC travel show is?

Am curious what Beth, Dave may still have up their sleeve in terms of things they have not released publicly yet.  They have really played it very close to the vest...when you considered they have really not talked about Aruba corruption in the police ranks until now.

Think about it ... the letter penned by Art Wood on behalf of Jug, Beth, Dave and Robin outlining why they believed that a new investigative team and .. a new prosecutor ... should replace the current prosector and investigative team ... met with no positive response from Aruba or Holland.

I contend that the "powers that be" in Holland and Aruba realized that it was important that only a select few were controlling all aspects of the coverup ... assuring that Paulus and Joran were not implicated.

Janet.

FROM TOURISM TRADE SHOW LISTING THREAD:

NY is right after Boston:

http://www.nyttravelshow.com/

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

We have not seen any statement that is Geoffrey's. 

  That sounds right.  Steve Croes and Cromvroit were very good friends.  There are pictures of them partying and also a picture of him as a younger boy in the Vds household watching tv witht the Vandersloots.  Since the security firm (owned by the father of GVC) has the records of who was working beach patrol and has access to boats, trucks, etc.,that night, or even what time he was off work, etc., it is unlikely GVC will have records that indicate the truth of his whereabouts.  I believe he is involved and used his authority and connections to get this thing away from him and his friends.  The Cromvroits have security offices in the other antilles as well as the NL.  They are not hurting in the money dept. I would think.  Also the dirt they know on people would extend there in Aruba and abroad to where they would be almost untouchable.  The boy may be the key.  From what I have read he is a wimp and also was the one who slapped NH on the behind in such a manner as to demean her and she retaliated, at least verbally to him.  I ran accross this in my readings.  Others may have read the same.  Steve Croes may have been trying to protect GVC and himself by making sure the cops believed NH was dropped off at the HI, that way it would clear them from any suspicion of having done any (escorting) or transporting of the girl after the K2 left after doing their deeds.      Jack blue

In Jacob's file 13 (trash) most likely.  j/b

"Mafia cocaine shipped through Netherlands"
The Netherlands functions as a storage place and stopover for the cocaine shipped from Colombia to Italy by Italian mafia.

22 February 2008

ROME – The Netherlands functions as a storage place and stopover for the cocaine shipped from Colombia to Italy by Italian mafia. The mafia also launders money in the Netherlands (as well as in Germany and Belgium) and fugitive Mafiosi flee to the Netherlands to go into hiding.

This is contained in an annual report published this week by the Italian anti-mafia commission. This year the report is entirely devoted to the 'Ndrangheta, the mafia from southern Italian region of Calabria.

The anti-mafia commission compares the 'Ndrangheta with Al Qaeda because it tends to operate with active cells outside of its territory and because it commands unconditional loyalty for the home front.

An important international investigation was completed in 2006, in which active cells of the 'Ndrangheta were discovered in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany. Six important fugitive Mafiosi were arrested, including Francesco Strangio, arrested in the Netherlands.

Strangio is part of the Nirta-Strangio family from San Luca, who primarily operate their cocaine trade in the Netherlands and Germany. The family has been at war with other mafia clans from San Luca for years.

The feud led to an attack in Duisburg, Germany last year, costing six people their lives.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/_Mafia-cocaine-shipped-through-Netherlands_.html

Booth 141 still available @ the NYC travel show...

Promo booth would be my idea with free giveaways~

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Janet...as far as I'm concerned...it's the same old ugly, rotton puzzel...all they do is move the pieces around to make it look different...it's a real shame.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

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Good Idea Martini ::MonkeyDance::  Wonder how much to rent a booth?   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I LOVE IT!!!!  Klaas...you have a very warped sense of humor....thank GOD/Goddess ;-)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/boycott_aruba_for_natalee

I don't think I have seen the above site before...

This is a strange question...but why would the FBI be asking Whatley in her 302 about any tattoos that Natalee may have had?  Does anyone have any idea?

http://www.sheprofilers.com/joran.html

this is a good review of some of Joran's words from the past.

backtracking a bit~

Authorities would not release the name of the person who was arrested and would not say whether he was considered a suspect. They only said that he was 19 years old and had the initials G.V.C. Sources told ABC News that the young man's name was Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. On Sunday, some media reports said van der Sloot and van Cromvoirt were acquaintances. ~~~~ ABC news

NANCY GRACE~~~~
MANSUR: Well, he`s been described all over the place. He`s a 19- year-old boy. He was (INAUDIBLE) with the father with the (INAUDIBLE) the hotel. He is also -- he hangs out a lot on the beach, what we call a "beach bum" here. And he used to work with the firm of Gerold Dompig, at the (INAUDIBLE) team which is a special unit brought into life to offer (INAUDIBLE) security and safety for the hotels and the tourists. That`s what we know about him. We don`t know more.

GRACE: You know, that`s quite a lot of connections in a tangential way to the Natalee Holloway case. Let me get this straight, Jossy. Everyone, again, Jossy Mansur, the managing director and editor of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, this guy, Geoffrey Van -- how do you say his last name?

MANSUR: Van Cromvoirt.

GRACE: Cromvoirt. His dad owns the security company that did security for the Holiday Inn, where Natalee was staying. His sister, I understand, is on the police force at the precinct, as we would call it, that was investigative the Natalee Holloway case. Are both of those correct?

MANSUR: That`s correct. His sister was sworn in as police officer in August of last year.

GRACE: All right. Now, what is his connection, this new guy that has now been arrested -- we know that the Dutch can hold him for about eight days. He`s being questioned as we speak. He`s got a court appearance tomorrow. What is his connection with a T-shirt that was found on the south end of the island that we are told has forensic evidence on it?

MANSUR: Well, I don`t know. I don`t know anything about it. What I do know is that about 10 months ago, a T-shirt or a uniform of the company of his father, the security company, was found half-buried under the sand on the beach and that his father was interrogated at that time, but nothing came out of it.

GRACE: The T-shirt itself was found half-buried, is that what you said?

MANSUR: Yes. Yes.

GRACE: OK, Jossy, where was the T-Shirt found In connection to where Van Der Sloot says he left Natalee?

MANSUR: No, this T-shirt was found way...

GRACE: OK.

MANSUR: ... on the other side of the island.

GRACE: I just wanted to make sure. Elizabeth, when you can, if you could show me the map of the island?

All right, back to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" magazine. Why are the authorities holding this young man, if he is not a suspect, Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt?

MANSUR: You know, that`s very strange for us, too, because we were under the impression from the beginning, we were told by our contacts within the police department, that he is a suspect. Now, suddenly, they don`t want us to call him a suspect anymore, but a detainee. I don`t know what the difference is because if they hold you, it`s because they suspect you of being involved in some kind of violation of law.

GRACE: That could be...

MANSUR: ... you are suspected of something.

GRACE: Yes, that could be anything from knowing material pertinent to the case to knowing something about the disposal of her body. That does not mean in any way this guy is connected to the actual death of Natalee Holloway. He has not been named an official suspect. We are talking about 19-year-old Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt. He is behind bars as we speak, being questioned right now in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. There`s a picture of him.

Jossy, this is very important in my mind. While Joran Van Der Sloot`s lawyer has repeatedly stated his client does not know Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt, what`s the word on the island? Do they know each other?

MANSUR: Well, we have know of way of knowing yet. I mean, it`s too early to determine that. We have to look at the school records, if this guy went to the same school as he did, if they`ve been seen together and if there`s any photo of them together. At this point, we cannot say whether they know each other or not.

You know how we've talked about Freddy and videos....what if there is a video out there that the FBI has seen but couldn't determine if it was Natalee in the video?

Thanks Nut - I agree with his analysis  ::MonkeyWink::

Good point Klaas , just not sure why they wouldn't ask Dave or Beth? I suppose if true, Natalee wouldn't have been the first teen in history to get a tattoo without her parents knowledge, but not likely.

dutchie Felixa wants to join scaredmonkeys.
i believe she hasn't been approved/confirmed yet.

she has found some translation errors here and wants to help out.

Thanks from me too Nutt...I had not seen this before...quite astute!

No, but I do remember, very early on, discussion about a tattoo parlor....maybe by the sextacy shop?? It was intermingled with discussion about the boat Tattoo, IIRC.

Ok, I'll approve them.  Give me a couple of minutes  ::MonkeyWink::

I remember seeing this a long time ago.  Still very accurate.

Joran's words still hold true:

25:17 "Lying is not a crime; even if it interferes with a police investigation, it is still not a crime."

caesu - looks like she hasn't even registered yet.  Tell her to register and I'll approve her as soon as I see her nickname Felixa.  I searched and didn't see anything with that name or similar waiting for appoval.

i let her know. thanks.

O.K. I know I am stretching the Taffy here but~

From Dateline~This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Could Marcos be Marcus????

A fourth man detained in the case, 26-year-old party boat disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes, said he knew one of the two Surinamese brothers arrested with Joran van der Sloot from an Internet cafe, his boss, Marcus Wiggins, has said. Wiggins' boat, the Tattoo, docks near the Holiday Inn.

Is there any info on Marcus Wiggins?

I don't think the person in the video could have been Marcus Wiggins, I believe I've seen a photo of him and he's much older.  This is from 2007:

http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/tourism.html

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Kukoo Kunuku – The original party bus
What can you do with an old bus? In Aruba, you can make a mobile party. The Kukoo Kunuku Party Bus was started by Marcus Wiggins. Since then, he and his partner and wife Cindy Cynowa, have become legends in the Caribbean. Their company also has a sailing adventure cruise, Mi Dushi; a party cruise, Tattoo; and will be introducing a new adventure tourism product this year.


Wiggins took old school buses and painted them bright, cheerful colors with sassy phrases, put massive blaring speakers in them, hired the best tour guides on the island and created a night-time bar tour that will tire even the most energetic partygoer.


The tours are so successful that other islands have solicited Wiggins’ advice to start their own fleet of mobile parties. In Aruba, some of his ex-employees have started similar companies to meet the growing demand.


Kukoo Kunuku party buses pick up their guests at hotels before sundown. The entire fleet then meets at the California lighthouse for a sunset Champagne toast. Then it is off to the Residencia Sylvia for a traditional meal served with warm Aruban hospitality, after which, with music blaring, the party buses zip from one local bar to the next.

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http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/tourism.html

Kukoo Kunuku – The original party bus
What can you do with an old bus? In Aruba, you can make a mobile party. The Kukoo Kunuku Party Bus was started by Marcus Wiggins. Since then, he and his partner and wife Cindy Cynowa, have become legends in the Caribbean. Their company also has a sailing adventure cruise, Mi Dushi; a party cruise, Tattoo; and will be introducing a new adventure tourism product this year.

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I still think this Marcos' was just another diversion.

That goofy Brian Prediction place talks of Natalee and a tattoo. Maybe Angela M., who was hooked on psychics gave a tip to the police.

She is living in a small hotel room near by the club with her boyfriend, and the number 162 in on the door.  She looks nothing like she did before, her hair is very short, spiked and died black.  Her complexion is much darker than it was in the picture above and she has some sort of chain tattoo around her neck.  There is no way anyone could recognize her today from her pictures above...no way...this is way she has not been located.

Sorry, lost link.  Google words, if interested.

Ahhhh yes.....I remember that freak. I have the site saved somewhere. I used to get so angry reading there...drove me nuts.

http://www.briansprediction.com/warnings001.htm :roll:

http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/2712.htm :roll:

This is spot on!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  I, too, had it at one time, and just was in there for a bit...had enough...

What a sobering piece (no pun intended).  This should be shown to girls going away to college that might be tempted to go with someone not affiliated with the campus who just comes in to pick up Innocent girls. 

I think these guys prey on "the innocent"  who grow up in an untainted world.  Natalee was the perfect victim.  So trusting, so happy, involved in a world full of friends that would never hurt her.  It was all good until a predator entered that safe world and she was removed from that cocoon she always knew and trusted, not realizing she had been removed from her safe place, but trusting the world to be a safe place. 

San, your words sent chills up and down my spine.

This comment still grates on my nerves...among others:

17:25 "One day I will explain exactly what happened but right now I don't feel ready to do that."  

The NA before it became a retirement investment for the baby boomers, attracted mostly criminals or people with a dark past. I know I am reaching again but Marcus Wiggins, a 13 year old confessed to a murder in 1991, the police were accused of torturing him with electric shock. A judge threw out Wiggins' confession out the following year, and the charges were dismissed.
Could this be a relative? A son?

Hello Monkeys!! We had a HUUge day in Boston! We made a huge impact and a major blow to that ATA/Aruban Govt Travel show and them being a major sponsor. We kicked ass and it was all too easy! I have lot's to tell as it was a long day and plenty of action. Met again with Rob Smith for 10 minutes or so as well as 4 other Arubans. He told me three times he admired us for what we are doing but I have something to address with him as he is way over his head and the BS don't fly with us Monkeys!. It would be very embarrassing for him if he talked to me any longer but I respect him for being cordial. Head of security told me one of the Arubans was lying about me handing out info,showing my sweater..etc in the Travel Show as he did it for 2 days trying to get me kicked out. They aren't all good people at that booth and I take it back. At least two are dirtbags.

I am completely exhausted and will try to fill everyone in on all the details on the recording and here in the cage. A very successful day and a big thank you to the fellow Monkeys who came out with me and stood up for Natalee in Boston and those that gave support. It's amazing what we accomplished and I want to tell you all how important these events are after seeing it again today. We are underestimated big time!! Both here and at these shows.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::  Exciting!  Can't wait to hear all the details!

Wonderful News *******...I Can't wait to hear more after You have rested Up...  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::

:smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 

Hot dog!  You did good, *******.  I am waiting for details.

Klaas, priceless.  I bet after this weekend he does feel like he has a monkey on his back ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OH ME 2!! AAAARGggggggggggggggggg!! I hate him.

What is NA and where did this happen?

I'm proud of you, for this, but also for the impact you have had, on the Dutch blogs.
Get some, well deserved, rest......but maybe....after you fill us in.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::

Netherlands Antilles??   :smt102

You guys are absolutely awesome!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Buckeye i can t say with 100% certainty but he could also have said: Ik denk dat ze teveel te drinken heeft gehad
which means : I think she had too much too drink.

Thanks *******!!! Thanks to all of you. We are very proud of you all!

An Aruban lying?? Nooooooooooo, say it ain't so!!

hmmmmm

JE - thanks for the clarification on Joran's words!

JE

From another blog:

"Ik denk dat ze iets door haar drinken heeft gehad"

His Dutch is not very good, but this sentence is ok. He could have said "haar drankje" instead of drinken, but I say it like this all the time.

Drinken is more a reference to what she has been drinking the entire night, instead of "haar drankje" which is a reference to just one drink (probably the one where the supposed drugs were in?)

Buckeye - I'm seeing some of the Dutch posters at RU (one's that aren't real happy with Joran) say it says the same as JE. 

I'll help you look into this

Yeh, I just reread....guess I had saved stuff too soon.   ::MonkeyConfused::

she had too much to drink or her drink was drugged - either way - that's rape. Now let's get that animal locked up.

What says you Taco?

Fourth suspect in Aruba missing-girl case is disc jockey
 
AP
Saturday, June 18, 2005
 

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A fourth man detained in the case of a missing US teen is a disc jockey aboard a tourist boat offering nightly party cruises, his employer said yesterday.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by his initials, "SGC," said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, according to the employer, Marcus Wiggins. Croes was arrested early yesterday.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because he went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

Croes was working as a disc jockey on the "Tattoo", a large tourist boat offering nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.

Wiggins said he had seen neither the Surinamese brothers,
Deepak Kalpoe, 21, or Satish Kalpoe, 18, nor fellow detainee Joran van der Sloot, 17, the son of a justice official from Holland, aboard the boat. A brochure for the boat says patrons must be 18 or older.

"I've never had problems with him," Wiggins said of Croes. "He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job."

Wiggins said Croes had worked for the boat "for a period of time," but could not say how long exactly.


http://tinyurl.com/37bysl

I'm not Taco  (thank God), but I say hell yeah!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Even if he said "I think she had too much to drink" it still raises the question, maybe even more so, why jump to the conclusion that she's dead and dispose of her body.

JE - there's a reason he told Beth and Jug that Natalee fell and hit her head.  Natalee was dead and Joran knew it.  She was also likely drugged.  He had to dispose of her body.  He couldn't leave it because her body would prove she was murdered.

O/T... mishy the trial starts tomorrow, thanks for bringing the candle linke forward....
I have sent the link to Danette...

That scene in the tape also has the passage where he says "but she was looking so sweet" i posted this before, it struck me cause it was the only time he said someting nice about her almost as if he was softening things for himself maybe about the way she looked. He said this in response to the other person asking: Joran what have you done?

Would anyone ask what have you done? if they saw someone passed out from drinking too much?

couldn't agee more

Well picking the name Marcos is a very safe name to use in Nicaragua
  I'm sure now it was a cover name San Marcos, Nicaragua
San Marcos (Carazo, Nicaragua) . Keywords: sam marcos | carazo ... also: Nicaragua. Nicaragua
Imagen de San Marcos San Marcos Carazo, Nicaragua

Hey Monkeys  :smt006

I know I have been absent, missed seeing all the new Monkeys join us and way behind on our various investigation points of interest.

So I'm just going to throw this on the cage floor and see what happens.

I was trying to remember the name of the person they brought in 2005 to  review / investigate the investigation and to see if anything ever came from it.
All I could remember is that they came in from Curacao.. After some digging I found a reference to "prosecutor Angela"  and this at Getagrips site

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?q=angela
So my question is ~~ Is there anyway to find out what came out of this investigation?  Under Aruban / Dutch Law is there anything like a Freedom of Information requests? After all this is not Natalee's case but a case involving the ALE work.

Just Wondering  TIA
OldF

jvds is a pathological liar, and a sociopath, but he's not stupid.  he's not going to even tell someone like who he thinks patrick is that he had to use daterape drugs.  he's just bragged to him about his success with natalee and completely wrote 2k out of the picture so patrick wouldn't think about gangrape. 
dennisintn

Hi OF, I have seen that report.  I am sure that Janet or Klaas can direct you
to it.

Well all I can say is what a week-end.  Today was a bit warmer, but I arrived late once again, however I did make it.  A reminder to all who think taking people with them to an event like this, DONT!  I didn’t do the driving myself so I had to wait to be dropped off, and if the driver is not ready, too bad right?  Well, between that, and getting lost in Boston I was loosing it.  Then the straw that breaks the camels back was at 3-4 am this morning.  It was what I thought was my smoke alarm going off.  So I open the rooms door, and low and behold the hallway was lit up with all those "follow me lights".  But hey wait, wasn’t my elavator right here before?  LOL, I guess this was a real alarm because all the fire doors closed, and left us to try and find the stair case.  Top floor, P.J.s on, barefoot, I yell lets get out and grab my cigarettes.  Firefighters arrived after we were outside for about 10 minutes.  Was an interesting night to say the least.  I had just gotten to sleep from doing my scaredmonkeys thing too.  So I needed at least 4-5 hours of sleep, and was late arriving.  Daughter came down sick too. 

All in all I though it was a progressive week-end.  ******* talked to Rob Smith yet again today, and he led us to believe that Aruba will solve this crime.  When asked why he says that, he says pretty much leave it at that, he knows.  ******* got chased around again today by port authority, evidently someone in the Aruba Booth was pulling port authorities leg about us going in with pamphlets, over and over again, and they finally believed *******.  they will be coming to check out SM later on tonight.  Hi Boston Port Authority! 

We had some very nice people, some of which I am posting videos on, and some that were SO CRANKY that it wasn’t funny.  cant help but laugh at them.  Most of you know why I find the need to go to Aruba one last time, and I went looking for a deal, I am guessing some people didn’t agree with that, but I started something that needs to be finished, and that’s what it will take for me to finish.  Sorry if I offended anyone in my team with that, but I guess you have to know my whole story before you judge me. 

I am going to post the few other pictures I took, including the guy who I was wondering about who he was last night, and 3 videos.  I am then going to go and take a long hot shower and pass out.  Thanks ******* for the great time, and get some rest.  To CJ, and Marlee, drive careful on the long ride home.  I am saying good-bye now, as you just disappeared before I could.

Videos coming, and a few pictures
I'll be back in a bit.......

PROSECUTOR ANGELA
At the same time as well, it is Bon Dia's understanding that the prosecutor from Aruba who livesin Curacao, prosecutor Angela, will have to come to Aruba to help solve the case of Natalee Holloway and that she will remain until there is a satisfactory solution. It is known that Angela is a very successful professional in Curacao and that she has been able to solve many cases. But now it turns out that her visit to Aruba is not to solve the Holloway case, but for war within the Public Ministry and how to solve this.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html

Klaas, did you ever get a translation of that article concerning the ship needing to search on the island?  Would be interesting what it said.

Marc Wiggins owns the party bus......

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Kukoo Kunuku – The original party bus

What can you do with an old bus? In Aruba, you can make a mobile party. The Kukoo Kunuku Party Bus was started by Marcus Wiggins. Since then, he and his partner and wife Cindy Cynowa, have become legends in the Caribbean. Their company also has a sailing adventure cruise, Mi Dushi; a party cruise, Tattoo; and will be introducing a new adventure tourism product this year.

http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/tourism.html



KUKOO KUNUKU  
 
Name of the company  RUMBARUBA TOURS N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  23 MAY 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
CYNOWA, CYNTHIA LEE; 
Residing in  ROOI SANTO 5-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A. on 7 AUGUST 1957 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 AUGUST 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
WIGGINS, MARC ALAN; 
Residing in  TURIBANA 43-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., ITHACA, NEW YORK on 27 NOVEMBER 1950 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 AUGUST 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 

LOL  From one old fart to the other... I asked that same question a few weeks ago.  Can't remember if we really discussed it much.   Seems like someone posted that they came back with procedural changes.

But there has to be more to it.  I think that JQKelly has the right to get a copy of that report.

I would love to see what was written.   Angela probably went into shock or was bought out.

old news aug 16th 2005 but maybe of interest to some
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8963420/

Thanks Nut.

On Wednesday September 29, 2005, Criminal Profiler Pat Brown flew to New Jersey to appear on "A Current Affair" and profile their recent interview of Joran van der Sloot in Holland. What aired was only part of the full damning analysis of Joran's thirty minute performance, a performance he believes will convince us of his innocence.

Analysis of the Joran van der Sloot Interview with "A Current Affair"

+++++++++++++++++++++

The following is a link to the entire "Accurent Affair" interview.

http://scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm

More on Marc/Marcus Wiggins:

MI DUSHI / JOLLY ROGER 
 
Business address NOORD 128-P, NOORD 
WINDFEATHER CHARTERS N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  9 NOVEMBER 1987 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
WIGGINS, MARC ALAN; 
Residing in  TURIBANA 43-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., ITHACA, NEW YORK on 27 NOVEMBER 1950 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 NOVEMBER 1987 
Authority  FULL 
   
NIJHUIS, CLARETTA GINETTE; 
Residing in  NUNE 64, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  INDONESIE, BANDUNG on 30 AUGUST 1954 
Nationality   
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 NOVEMBER 1987 
Authority  FULL 
   

Some new photos and a couple of videos on page 5 in the Boston Travel Show thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2637.80

Sounds to me like a high paid "Cleaner".  A very thorough indexing of of all documents and evidence in order to make sure nothing is left to cause Aruba problems.  Not independent enough for my liking.

Just my opinion and not one based on any information concerning this topic.  It just hits me as something Aruba would do and supports not a thread of proper usable evidence left.

It appears Geraldo had something on the case tonight.  Heli posted this transcript at RU:

Geraldo At Large
February 24, 2008

Guest: John Q. Kelly

Geraldo:

John, first of all you've got the Joran van der Sloot situation. He confesses on tape, how strong is the case against him?

John:

I think they have a very strong case Geraldo.

He goes to Carlos & Charlie's a half hour before closing, he buys Natalee a drink, he takes it from the bartender, he walks over to her hands her the drink, stands there, she finishes the drink; within 20 minutes she's incoherent, she's lapsing in and out of consciousness.

We know he's dropped at a beach with her, he says now she went into seizures, you know she started shuddering, she stopped breathing and then he gives 3 different versions of what happens to her, but one of them has to be true because we've never found her and you dont' dispose of a body, you don't help in locating the person when you're the last one with her unless you have something to hide. I think he was fearful that an autopsy if she was found would show there was something in her system.

Geraldo:

But because the body was disposed of , aren't you frustrated that it does not appear that he's going to be re-arrested.

John:

Sure, I think they could arrest him and prosecute him on a circumstantial case just on what they have right now. A combination of other testimony and how own words would be enough to prosecute him.

Geraldo:

That would be reasonable but that would not be Aruba.

John:

You're right.

CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE ******* AND ALL YOU BOSTON MONKEES AND THANK YOU JODI FOR ALL YOU DID! YOU FOLKS ARE FANTASTIC!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

The appointment of Prosecutor Angela was objected to by SPA president Eric Zaandam.  The appointment was viewed as an investigation into the investigation ... not assisting.

Somewhere the objective of the investigation that implied justice for Natalee Holloway got lost.  Hey ... justice for Natalee Holloway was never an objective in the Aruban investigation.

Janet

+++++++++++


Dave Holloway
DAN ABRAMS
November 3, 2005
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9911446/from/RL.3/

There is a war of words unraveling in Aruba.  Natalee Holloway's divorced parents who up to now have been proceeding separately, have signed a letter  demanding that Aruba's attorney general pull the team investigating Natalee's disappearance. 

An excerpt from the letter: "It has become increasingly difficult to hold our tongues.  It is our contention that it is in the best interest of everyone concerned to instigate a fresh start in this case.  We respectfully request that Dennis Jacobs, Karin Janssen, and Gerold Dompig be removed from the case."

<snipped>

HOLLOWAY:  Well let's take a pen and pencil and draw a line through it, and you put on one side what the family and the foreigners and people from the U.S. have done, and then you put on the other side what have the police done.  You know we delivered, when we came to the island, we identified the suspects, all three of them, and handed it to them on a silver platter. 

We also identified the witness, who is the gardener.  We also had a person from the U.S. come down and literally almost got a confession out of Deepak.  We found a lot of evidence that they have not used for one reason or the other.  We've done most of all the searches.  And then my question is, is what have the police done?


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_getagripmonkey_archive.html
Police Union president confirms that Holloway case investigation has officially stopped Until the government explains what exactly the role of the new prosecutor will be.
DIARIO Aruba
12/13/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the police union (SPA) held a press conference to clear up certain matters that are still pending with the police force. According to SPA president Eric Zaandam, there are some things that are going in a troublesome route and because of this he felt it would be good to hold a press conference.

According to Zaandam, he noted that letters that were sent to the police force, to indicate that certain persons cannot speak with the press anymore, etc. Also, in the Public Prosecutor’s Office, certain people cannot speak to the press, which makes everything fall upon the police force, on its employees.

According to the SPA president, it is now enough and they have to explain to the press what is taking place, so that the press can see what is going on.

Zaandam said that he wants to elaborate on the matter of Commissioner Dompig, where he has been prohibited from speaking to the press and that the Minister of Justice said that Dompig speaks too much with the press and because of this he has forbidden him from doing so.

According to Zaandam, 2 months ago Dompig was approached by AHATA’s CEO, who is a member of the Communications Task Force, Jorge Pesquera, to become spokesperson of the task force.

The reason was that a few consultancy companies in the US showed that the message on the part of Aruba was not reaching in a clear and strong manner internationally using the spokespersons that they were using.

The consultancy companies counseled the Task Force to get a person who knows the legal process and knows about investigations in Aruba and so they decided to approach Dompig to do this.

The arrangement for Dompig’s interviews was that all questions that were to be asked of Dompig, among others for the magazine ‘Vanity Fair’, were first screened by the consultancy companies so that Commissioner Dompig could give the appropriate answers. All this took place according rules and wording, with the Prime Minister’s knowledge who gave the OK for this.

Now that everything has come out in Vanity Fair and that the American producers have come out with another strategy to attack Aruba, all of a sudden Dompig has become a person who speaks too much.

The Minister of Justice came into the game, as if there was no communication between the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice, and now all the press knows that the Minister of Justice prohibited Commissioner Dompig from speaking.

These dirty games are unacceptable, according to Zaadam, who said that, for example, no one from the Task Force has come forward to say that they gave Commissioner Dompig the OK themselves, and that they have screened everything and that all was done in a correct manner.

The Prime Minister also can come forward to say that the Minister of Justice was at fault for prohibiting Dompig from speaking. This, according to Zaandam, who said that he wants to bring this type of thing forward to show how the police is being played by all other institutions.

All these games are for one sole objective that is unacceptable for the police, where for example prosecutor Karen Janssen was also prohibited to speak. After some time, now the Minister of Justice has expressed that prosecutor Angela from Curaçao has come to Aruba to conduct an investigation of the team of investigators.

According to the SPA president, Angela has come to Aruba to do this and not to assist in the investigation. This cannot be, according to Zaandam, who said that there can never be and investigation in an investigation.

After that SPA met with the team of investigators, they agreed that they are going to have everything on hold, until they are able to find out exactly what prosecutor Angela has come to do in Aruba. When they asked chief prosecutor Karen Janssen what prosecutor Angela came to do in Aruba, she said that she doesn’t know, that it’s something she can’t.

Prosecutor Angela hasn’t been in contact with the investigative team either, about for example, certain documents that he has related to the case, to see in detail what is taking place.

According to Zaandam, prosecutor Angela is sitting in an office at the Attorney General’s, is looking at the investigation files, which is something that cannot take place, and because of this they have stopped the investigation of the case, temporarily. Zaandam said that he realizes that this is a very troublesome decision, but it will be taken until they find more clarity about this.

He continued to say that now the American Senate has asked for more information on the case of Holloway and the intention of the government to send Arlene Schipper and Commissioner Dolfi Richardson to Washington.

Zaandam said that this is after three Commissioners that they added to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This way people’s attention is diverted.

This, according to the SPA president, who said that it is a public secret that there is a problem between the Attorney General and chief prosecutor Karen Janssen, and this is just something that cannot go on in the police force. According to Zaandam, he wants to avoid any division within the police force, that they government and others are trying to create.

First there was the supposed clash between Commissioner van der Straten and Commissioner Dompig, where van der Straten retired and things calmed down. Now Dompig took over the case, where they involved Dolfi Richardson in the game, to see if there was a clash.

SPA advised the two Commissioners that there is no clash in the police force and they expressed together that they are behind the investigative team, that they are together in this and that they speak together in respect to the team and the case. It is clear that if there is a separate power who wants to divide this team, they can forget about it.

According to Zaandam, the investigative team is doing a tremendous job and this has also been expressed by the Dutch colleagues, who were also in Aruba for the investigation.

These Dutch experts expressed in an FBI magazine that they could not have done a better job than the Aruban investigative team, however the Minister of Justice indicated that there will be an investigation of the investigative team, on the part of prosecutor Angela (whom he has respect for, according to Zaandam), who has barely 2 years as prosecutor, compared to the 15/16 years of experience of the prosecution’s office.

According to Zaandam, it’s best if they brought a prosecutor or expert from Holland, for example, who has a lit of experience in this area, for them to come do their investigation.

Zaandam said that the police of Aruba even listened to the FBI agents in Aruba speaking to their superiors in the US, saying what a good job the Aruban investigators are doing and do with the resources they have.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/13/2005 11:56:00 PM


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_11_getagripmonkey_archive.html
Due to Minister’s reply being satisfactory
Investigative team will continue on Natalee’s case
DIARIO Aruba
12/14/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): After the police union explained their concerns related to the investigative team putting the case on hold, they now decided to continue on with the investigation.

It is known that the matter of justice getting involved [is valid] as long as it’s something serious. Any [conflict?] can cause much damage in any investigation, in particular when a person who is not qualified is involved in the matter, who was not involved in the interrogations or the investigation [to begin with].

Since the beginning, a way has been sought to push and pull, and make heads roll as if it was a chess game that they’re playing. While it deals with a very serious case, in particular the country of Aruba being at stake.

More still, when the steps are closely followed by people abroad. Recently, the government requested assistance from Minister of Justice David Dick, if the Aruban Public Prosecution could arrange to have the assistance Mr. Angela, an Aruban prosecutor that practices his profession in Curaçao.

They came to a good agreement and Mr. Angela traveled to Aruba apparently to reinforce the investigative team.

However, as days progressed, those in charge of the investigation said that he didn’t speak with them, he wasn’t in contact, and he took documents to read and study. While these actions which seem suspicious and reached the police union management. After having analyzed the situation, the union decided to stop the investigation and put it on hold so that the minister in charge could provide some clarity as to what prosecutor Angela is doing in Aruba.

Tuesday, a report came in that the union was notified that the prosecutor in question is analyzing the documents in order to give a ‘second opinion’.

On the basis of this report, they provided SPA representatives and finally the members of the team decided to resume the investigation, and this is now the second time that the team can’t concentrate due to interference. It is hoped that this will be the last time that a mandatory interferes with such an important investigation.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/14/2005 11:57:00 PM

Thank you Klaas.

John Q. Kelly does not appear t beo holding out much hope that Joran van der Sloot will be brought to trial.

Janet

Thanks for the update *******, I look forward to hearing more details when you've had a chance to get your rest! 

We're so proud of you and the others that took a Stand for Natalee in Boston!!!!!!!

 :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy: :2notworthy:

:smt045

I think this is important to share.  Posted by LegallyLex at BFN....


CRITICAL TIME IN THE SEARCH - HELP AND IDEAS NEEDED


I am going to post this on several different areas of this blog site because I posted that there was not enough money from donations a few days ago and no one read or responded to this.  NOW, is the time, if you know of any corporations or sponsors who can help complete the search for Natalee the facts are as follows:

1.  We are in a CODE BLUE situation.  Within the next 24-48 hours there will be requests sent to several different countries, US., Aruba, Netherlands to ask for corporate sponsors to help complete the search for Natalee.  In good weather, this search can be completed in full in about 3 weeks.

2.  I am asking that if you know of any corporation or business who can help in this search to please donate monies to Texas Equusearch.

I realize that most of you have contributed to the search; however, our donations have not made a dent as to what is needed to finish the search.  Therefore, within the next 2 days a decision will be made to either complete the areas if the funds become available or to head home with the targets and shallow water search incomplete because of lack of funds.
 
I ask that if you know the friend of a friend of a friend who has ties to corporations to please call them to help.  Greta and Nancy Grace have been approached and have NOT EVEN RESPONDED.... What does that tell you?

People, anything that you can think of to help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Thanks so much to all that supported us and posted nice comments!!!!! It is greatly appreciated!!! I am very proud to be fighting along side of you all!!!!!  ::MonkeyCool::

our thoughts, prayers, and thanks are with you all.  stand tall for natalee.
dennisintn

I believe you have the point position actually currently, and we are shoulder to shoulder behind you:)

I was afraid that this was going to happen with the Persistence. That is quite a boat, loaded with state of the art electronics, and a high paid crew, that is so expensive to operate that I doubt most of us can even imagine it. The fuel cost alone has been tremendous, and that is a small part of the expense. In addition to that, they have expanded the search significantly. They are literally searching every inch of that area. But how do you raise that kind of cash in 2 days? And how much cash are they needing? It would be smart of Aruba to stop spending money trying to sell the US a lie that we will never buy, and instead wake up and tell the world, you know, we have just been wrong, and it is possible that we cannot undo the wrong that we have done, but we are going to at least try by immediately coming clean with at least what evidence we have, taking what action we can based upon what little we haven't destroyed, and working like hell to reverse the damage our actions have caused. As such, we are going to donate the needed dollars to the Persistence as if she can find the body, then maybe the damage can be reversed. Or if this be the case, if they know the body was burned, then now would be an opportune time to tell us, and then reimburse the Persistence for their expense.

Aruba, your public relations people are wrong, your spin doctors are ludicrous, and your methods obviously are not working for you. Step up, speak the truth, fund what should be your search anyway. Just tell the truth and apologize. That is the cheapest, most effective method to restore and build your tourism industry. Apologies and the truth go a long way towards repairing relationships and restoring trust. You are simply burning dollars any other way, and it is costing you a lot more and it is never going to work. You are harming even the bastard who did it, and ignoring his pleas for help. He has confessed twice, don't you realize that by protecting him, you are actually ruining his life. So just who in the hell do you think your current program is benefiting? Not Beth or her family, not Joran or his family, not the island, no one. The only people who will not benefit are the dirty dutch adults who have executed this sordid affair, and they deserve it. They are sober, or at least thay have been during some of this, educated, professional adults who know better and are just sorry. Rudy, whatever they know it isn't going to take you down. You could become a folk hero overnight if you stepped forward, told the truth, and announced that you couldn't live with the lies anymore despite what the Dutch have on you, and regardless, you are going to set the record straight.

The rewards of being a magnet for crime are immense, no doubt, but there is more than enough money to be made in real estate if your island is a tourist mecca. And the quality of life, self esteem, and peace of mind are worth more than the obscene dollars from crime. I would think that knowing your dad was proud of you and being able to sleep at night would be worth a lot. Rudy, people forgive their heros for everything but being a liar. Tell the truth, ask for forgiveness and a second chance and they will give it to you.  ::MonkeyCool::

But at the very least, call the Persistence and ask them how much they need. At least show the world that you are going to pay a share of the cost.

Well said Private Eye. Its a sad thought that they have come so far and have so many marked targets only to possibly have to stop the search.  Hopefully something big will happen in the next few days or Aruba comes to their senses and does the right thing.

I think that Beth might need to publicly plead with Aruba to make a contribution as the discovery of Natalee's remains should be their goal, and they should be happy they are only paying a share of the expense. They also should invite the search to go anywhere within their waters.

I need to get to bed, but it was nice talking to you. I haven't seen you on here before, so welcome and I am glad you are here:). If you have been here and I haven't noticed, still welcome, and accept my apology for being blind:)

I don't know how they can say no, but it is Aruba:)

Rob Smith went on "Dateline" and expressed that Aruba had spent 'MILLIONS" on finding Natalee ......................... NO! they spent 'MILLIONS' on PR and covering up. I'm not a rich man .. but I will give what I can  to TES. I'm so disappointed in our own U.S. government  -- where is the accountability???

One would hope that some other "angel philanthropist" will step in and offer support to keep this mission going. Of course you need the MSM to cover this in order to get the news out there. I think your right, the daily expense to conduct this search must be VERY large.

Great job ******* and all at the Boston Travel Show.

If you have not heard it yet ... Observers summary of day 2 at the Boston Travel Show.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/BostonTravelShow022408b.mp3

Thanks! I shoulda waited until tommorow as I am drained but I left a msg anyway  ::MonkeyConfused::

P.S. Red I appreciate you giving us a home here and the support you have given the entire family for 33 months now. I really believe these Travel events are important and to let that Aruban Govt know this is never ever going away until they solve it and give Natalee her Justice.

http://www.sheprofilers.com/joran.html (http://www.sheprofilers.com/joran.html) yes, this site has interesting reading, too bad they can't spell Natalee's name correctly in on of the articles

I live in a glass house... meant "one" not "on" ::MonkeyConfused::

Hotshot I'm sorry to hear your daughter got sick and hope she gets better real soon. I remember her from last year and the beautiful sign that was her idea. She must have alot of "you" in her and alot of love for you to be there with y'all knowing she could be back home with friends instead of giving her weekend up to stand with the monkey's as they stand for the girl. Give her a big hug from me, please.

Sounds like you had quite a weekend, but just know all your's and the other great monkey's that were there, hard work will pay off and know how much you all are appreciated by us that can't go to these shows. My heart was there with y'all even though I couldn't be. Thank you all so much and God Bless you each and everyone.

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/2008/02/zondag-24-febru.html

article about Peter R. in yesterdays Volkskrant.

interesting bits:

1. Peter R. wanted to trick Joran in another confession after he released the press statement on thursday to announce the broadcast on sunday. Joran wasn't mentioned in that press statement.

he hoped Joran would call Patrick.

but dutch blog VKmag found that open directory and there it showed the name Joran - so that trick failed.

2. when Peter R. showed the tapes to Hans Mos, Mos said he probably wouldn't arrest Joran because it wasn't murder but disposing of body.
back in the netherlands Peter R. let Mos know that they would do one more car-taping.
Mos really didn't wanted anything to do with it, because his involvement would render the the tapes not admissable. Mos said that Peter R. should have known better.

3. after Peter R. watched the last tapings he saw Joran behaving differently. like that he was fed up with talking about it. so Peter R. decided that this really was the last taping.

« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2008, 12:13:51 PM »    Quote Tamikosmom
 
Logic implies that Freddy Arambatzis 6th and 7th declarations ... the declaration that affirms Joran van der Sloot's words in the Peter Devries' video recording ... are missing.

I hope John Q. Kelly is looking into this.

Janet

+++++++++++++


FREDDY ARAMBATZIS

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway

Page 160/161

After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.
Unofficial Engish translation

+++++++++++


Tamikosmom….Thank you.

I think we have Bingo!!!!!

This is where I believe the two missing statements fit in.


Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

++++++++++++++

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
 
Page 160

You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first
story on May 30th 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this could be true. You are informing me that Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not regain consciousness and that we have left her on the beach. I don't know what to answer to this, because according to me, I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.

That Freddy has stated that we did not know what to do when she did not
recover and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport
shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way. I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not correctly understand what I told him.

++++++++

Has anyone saved a quote from Jossy that said:

In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

I found this at the Judicial Inc site.

Is it possible for someone to ask Jossy ask about this?....

quote author=Buckeye link=topic=2641.msg355009#msg355009 date=1203870075]

The Dutch poster is quoting the 1:09 mark of the following link.  Can any of our Dutch posters hear anything??


I've listened to it many times; I really don't hear anything like "iets" / '" something". This is what I heard (and 4 other people who I've asked without telling what they should hear ;-)...):

"I don't know man, I don't know. I think she's had too much to drink" ("Ik denk dat ze te veel te drinken heeft gehad").

July & August 2005 Watersports Update


Tattoo Party Boat has a new owner. Perri van Dongen purchased the Tattoo party boat from previous owner Marcus Wiggins (Aruba Adventures). Perri, having worked for Aruba Adventure for a while, moved on to open a broker’s agency and his first client was Tattoo. Aruba Adventures now operate “Mi Dushi” and the party buses, known as Kukoo Kunuku Paranda Tours.


The above is from agents.aruba.com 

Good morning all you Monks,

Just read that Beths book is translated into Dutch now! Great news. And a good move imo. This will keep up the pressure on the authorities and de Ditch-family.

I posted this on the FP:

Beths book translated in Dutch! (Good move! I’ll buy!)

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/buitenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/25/buitenland/0225_1030_boek_holloway.xml

(Transl.: Google and me.)

Twitty describes nightmare after disappearance daughter

Book mother Holloway in Dutch

The book that Beth Twitty wrote about her missing daughter Natalee, is translated in Dutch.

Nightmare

The book appeared earlier in the United States as “Loving Natalee.” In Dutch it’s called the ‘Lieve Natalee’ (Dear/lovely Natalee). Twitty describes in the book the “nightmare” in which she ended up after her daughter went missing during a short holiday on Aruba.

Research

Furthermore, she talks about the investigation into the case, and the three main suspects: Joran van der Sloot and the brothers Kalpoe. The American version of the book on Amazon.com gets nearly five stars.

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BTW: interesting discussion at the beginning of this thread about what Joran is saying in the car. I think he says: "Ik denk dat ze wat ........ drinken heeft gedaan." (Literally: I think that they/she something...... drink has done.) But what he says on the dotted line is very hard to hear. But whatever he says it's probably not a good Dutch sentence. Joran doesn't speak Dutch perfectly because probably his 'first' language is papiamento (the language he feels most comfortable with). So the sentence could also be something like (literally): I think that they/she something to much drink has done. Another option could be that he changes in the sentence what he wants to say. So first he wants to say: I think THEY did something in/through her drink. And then he changes the sentence to give her the blame and wants to say: I think that she something in her drink/to much drink has done.

Interesting... ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks EURobert, this is great, Beth's book in Dutch. I think you're right..good move.

It was posted somewhere a while back, but I do not remember where I saw it. It was posted @  $50,000/day .....  ::MonkeyEek::

Thanks caesu.
 I follow this site but had a hard time translating this posting.  So, Peter's plan was to "air" info about a hidden camera used in the case, without mentioning names.  He hoped Joran would see the announcement and call Patrick.  But the other Dutch site found the transcript of Mos, that was not suppose to be posted (?security breach?) and Joran's name was released?

Thanks GBMW (and thanks to your "sleuthy" friends).  The initial talk, on a different blog, was more damaging.  It seems the final consensus, is as you determined.

Anyone want to read the full article? Let me know & I'll mail the article to you....(can't post it now; attachement name will give away personal details of me that I don't want to be online). Or I can post it when I get home tonight...

EuroRobert

Great news about Beth's book.  The tape is odd.

Mum

Jossy and statement here:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/08/26/freddie-locoman-pimp-questioned-before-sells-sex-video/


GBMW

Is the summary of the article accurate?  Maybe you could post later.  If it's posted, then it can be run through a translator without having to type it in.  I would like to see it, but if a summary is accurate, I would trust a "real" translation, over the "online" version.

Thanks BettyLynn and welcome.  I remember the Tattoo being for sale during everything.  Guess they sold it.

Just listened to the video again with my headphones on and the left channel out (to block the traffic-noise out). I agree with what is posted above here. Joran indeed says: "Ik denk dat ze te veel te drinken heeft gehad." (I think she's had too much to drink.) So considder my previous post as not posted....

Thanks EuroRobert.

You're welcome!

Thanks Buckeye...I have saved it....

Can anyone tell me if the picture of a grey car at the back of Freddy’s house is a Toyota, please?..TIA

Aruban Evidence, Places by SunFreak …house shows a grey car
Deepak’s is a Honda.

Scroll down to houses after hotels and casinos….


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=255.0

I thought Joran did call Patrick and talk to him for 20 minutes after he heard about the taping. But of course, he knew then.

If it's not ALE spilling the beans to Joran (on purpose?) it's the media to get the bucks.  The idea being not to help Natalee but to help their own cause.  WTH  Why are they cashing in on the girl, don't they have hearts?  Good thing she has a lot of monkeys watching out for her.

I noticed the change in attitude and wondered if he suspected something at that point and then started making things up.  If we could see the tape from start to finish, we may be able to tell when he starts really lying.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)    02/22/2008

IMF: Aruba more vulnerable due to increasing national debt 

ORANJESTAD – In comparison to other countries in the region, Aruba is economically well off and the prospects are favourable.  But ‘dark clouds are still gathered over the island: Aruba has become extra vulnerable due to the increasing national debt, and without adjusting the General Pension Insurance (aov), the fund will be exhausted in 2020. 

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) concluded this.  The IMF praises Aruba in the report for her promotion of an open economy and ‘market oriented’ policy, which led to an economic growth and stability.  Aruba has nevertheless become more vulnerable for extreme shocks, and now after the heavy dependency on the tourism, the national debt continues to grow.   

IMMEDIATE ACTION

In order to prevent that the debt increases further, IMF thinks that the island has to take ‘immediate action’; like solving the problems with the national insurance company AZV.  “The government has indicated that they are going to cover the 2008 deficit with the intended measures, but considering the extent of the debt, that would be a challenge”, states the report.  IMF also warns for ‘not to slacken the reins again’ after ‘solving the current debt too fast’.  Due to among others the deficit of the AZV, the government has indicated that a balanced budget can only be achieved in 2012 or later.  The IMF presses for 2009, like the government first wanted.  The IMF is of the opinion that to achieve this, the government can better reduce the huge civil service, other than freezing the salaries.  The government told the IMF though that considering the elections in 2009, she doesn’t want extra cut backs on top of the already introduced freeze on the recruitment of staff. 

The IMF finally warns for the exhaustion of the AOV pension fund.  To prevent the fund to be exhausted in 12 years already, Aruba must increase the pensionable age. The government is willing to increase this from 60 to 62, but the government does not have sufficient public support for this.   

I would need to see the front or back in order to be sure it is a Honda, but I can say that it is NOT Deepak's car...for sure.

Well, I totally effed up that post, lol...and totally misunderstood your question, LOL!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1187&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1187&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

sugerencia at merca for all child muher see the confesion of joran

monday, 25 february 2008

oranjestad (aan): the confesion of joran van der sloot, cu owing to happen in one declaration of policy cu owing to break all record of rating at the netherlands, cu even on one monday owing to wing audiencia big at merca for one edicion special of 20/20 at abc, of now provided that adelante can worde using because; one advertencia for all child muher rond world cu is prepara for bay happen vakantie they only or cu they amiganan.

esey is thing one publicacion at merca owing to divulga in end of week. they're achieve cu all child muher cu is prepara for bay mexico or another lugar for spring break, have of worde rekeri for see the video of the confesion of the macamba joran van der sloot.

the macamba dutch cu owing to core bay sconde now at alemania, owing to become the young more hate rond world, y the instant owing to arrive for her ‘come clean’ y come fast y admiti all thing the know.
the young student here, that is gamble thousand of euro all night in casino, owing to revela claramente kico past owing to haci cu natalee holloway at aruba. is seems cu for her sistema hudicial of aruba y antiyas, esey do not sufficient for her worde deteni.

sinembargo the video is powerful! the columnista kathy gibbons of the corant traverse city record at michigan, owing to bay so far, of exigi for all child muher at merca see the grabacion ey!
past owing to show con joran was arrogant, y not had none compasion for natalee. all cos was important only for joran.

according gibbons, the is immidiately think on child muhernan cu is bay for springbreak, cu is leave of merca y is arrive at another paisnan where they're drink together cu amigonan. they're bay for lugarnan cu do not familiar, y is drink, y think cu “nada will can happen cu mi”, y so is drink bay goal.

child muhernan mericano cu is bay on springbreak, is stay excita cu they can bay clubnan all night. the parents self is preocupa, but muhcanan not. then kizas the video here will can help they open they eye, for evita cu cosnan so is follow ripiti. that can owing to think? joran his confesion maybe one “educational video”?

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That's OK Nut...there are two entries in the Dr Phil log about a Toyoto on 6/28, I think, so they are not referring to Deepak's car.

In the pic of Freddy's house is a gray car...and I am wondering if it might be a Toyoto?

LOL...I know the car at Freddy's is not Deepak's....

Patrick of of the Eem Thursday morning (local time) have been heard as a witness for the research in the case Natalee Holloway. Police force and judicial authorities on Aruba have confirmed that. According to the Public Prosecution Service (OM) he has discussed voluntarily the invitation closer give explanation concerning the undercoveroperatie in which he closed at Joran of of the consents could elicit. Speculation earlier communicated will consider that of of the Eem be fixed, it Public Prosecution Service now as a plain nonsense. Even if after crime report donor Peter R. de Vries the prerecordings of the infiltrant involved by him at Public Prosecution Service had handed in, of of the Eem it had been prepared talk. The declaration which has taken off of of the Eem, is added to the file and uses for a possible lawsuit. Or that, communicates justice comes there after locking of the research. Tips would come in still almost daily at Public Prosecution Service. Twenty inspectors examine that.


Message from ANP (translated via Babel Fish); it says here that 20 people are working on the case? Does anyone know what happened to the other 5? Or are 20 people looking into the tips & 25 people working on the case itself?

I can imagine a lot of tips are coming in after the show and to check everything would take a lot of people....but I'm afraid it's just 20 people working on the case in total...

A couple of interesting comments at the 24ora.....

posted by:penduchinan
the berdad one sun person have the. the maniatico psicopata owing to rape the child, the know with the child will denuncie. the la kill the child. is jama papie, papie is jega look at situation, is bise go home y look for kontacto with amigonan matty. at waystreet is msg amigonan for they sende the computer for chat on one situation with owing to go left. 4or is chat is jega at one date for 10or of morning for work one verklaring, fast advocate. with another word daddy or duary owing to stay with body. the jeep of daddy ever owing to wordo konfiska y wordo listra for algo, then eyden the answer of all enigma is. punt uit. everybody know with the body owing to wordo gedump in sea, talvez have to look for in cost of panama or serka cost colombia, depende of the stroom the day ey. punt is, joran of, the is go cemetery with the name with esun with owing to jude. for that will do you sakrifica so????????? come across


posted by:cienfuegos
the body of nathalee, if the is dead, is bury behind the "duinen" east of lighthouse blanco, california. they owing to hanja one cellular of family van der sloot ey slow, one month after with nathaly owing to desaparese. is now the news owing to leave at ready. father van der sloot self, 'in person' owing to look for the cellular serka the person with owing to hanje. om is at height of this, but have the tip skondi for prensa y people. as wait for they throw up algo afor for place full the gang of yoran behind tralie. the father also. the owing to go look for the cel, dus achterhouding van bewijsmateriaal in one affair penal. y still om is lag'e walk ront? come across


And of course there are some that are still holding onto the Med-Jet story :roll: .....unbelievable.
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/3913/1/

His attitude probably changed because he told the story a couple of times already; he got tired of talking about it for the ... time. Peter R. de Vries mentioned this also in several interviews. That & the fact that Patrick found it more and more difficult made them decide to stop filming. If they continued Joran probably would have figured out something was up. If he was really suspicious he would have asked Patrick about it / made some comment.

It's too bad most people on this forum don't understand dutch...hearing Joran and understanding everything is a lot different than interpreting Joran with english subtitles. For instance you can hear / see a bit that Joran is lying when he mentions the name Daury; he's just saying the name to have given a name to Patrick so he can continue his story.

 

I do not have to understand Dutch to know how to read and understand facial expressions or hear tones of a voice ;). It was as clear as day for me...as it was for many of us here.

Joran Van Der Sloot Anna Boat Parody English Subtitles

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/214756/

Pardon the interruption....if anyone still has access to the information on Freddy's brother Ernesto...please post it in the Shango thread.  I know we have discussed it extensively but I can't search the LCD's like I once could for some reason.  I know it was a hot topic for a while around here months ago..or maybe even a year ago.  Brickell Bay connections and all....thanks so much. 

Mum ... in my research I have never come across anything that implies that Freddy was arrested/detained. I believe that Freddy's role in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005 was taking photos at the VDS' resident while an unconcious Natalee was gang raped.  I contend that Freddy either went home or remained at the VDS' residence while Natalee was taken to the beach.

Freddy's June 12, statement implies that on May 31, 2005 ... Joran shared with him the Marriot Beach account.

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

MANSUR: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.

What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case

DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 24, 2005

I have met Freddy two times after it was confessed that the girl became missing. The first time I was with my brother Deepak at Joran’s apartment where Freddy was with his girlfriend Carmen, the sister of Carmen and another girlfriend came along to Joran’s.

<snipped>

The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja. I do not remember his house number. We had bought food and we then we went to Joran’s apartment afterwards. According to me Freddy was informed then already about the missing girl. We may have spoken some about the missing girl, it is possible but I don’t remember.


Freddy Arambatzis
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005
 
Page 153
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the FOUR OF THEM drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that THEY had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Unofficial English Translation

Our pleadings to the glam-gods were answered one Tuesday night with a very cool party called "The Loft @ Rumi" put on by owner Alan Roth and savage boy-toy, Ernesto "the fabulous" Arambatzis.

http://www.southbeach-usa.com/columns/news-boy/newsboy55.htm

she registered with the nickname: Jo-An

Mum ... Freddy Zedan Arambatzis was detained at the same time as Deepak and Satish at the end of August.  However ... Freddy was not detained in connection with the Natalee Holloway case but ... the suspicions that led to this detainment ... suspicions that involve a camera implies to this wannabe detective that Freddy's role in the Natalee Holloway case also involved a camera.

Freddy Zedan Armbatzis was never a formal suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia
Associated Press
August 31, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml

I just approved her.

FWIW - we are aware that many of the translations aren't perfect.  The idea was to translate as best as possible without changing the overall meaning of what was being translated.  Note on many translations you will see a "?" which means we/I couldn't find an English translation for it.

Lala's

I'll look a bit.  But, I don't remember a connection to Bricklell Bay, in Aruba. There is a Brickel in Miami.

Klaasend good afternoon- I noticed Freddy's age is listed as 21 here for 2005. That would put Freddy approx 4 years older than Joran. Noticed he was not arrested for this case. Still it lines up with Jorans recent confession fairly well.

Martini,

Thank you for posting the English subtitles.  I loved the video but always wondered what they were saying... love the dark humor in it.  Hope it's played over and over so to remind Joran that the whole world knows what he did.

Again, thanks.

SOL@BFN asks Oceanexplorer:

Assuming that the Persistence mission is truncated due to funding, can you comment on any of the other targets uncovered during this journey?  if I recall correctly , I read there were approx. (150) identified.  Have you eliminated these in order to continue mapping the area - or would you consider returning to get a better look at past identified targets?  Have you categorized any by size, shape, etc?  What will be done with the final list?

As always, thanks for your feedback.

Sol


Oceanexplorer's reply:
When the search is concluded and the investigation completed I will perhaps be able to comment in greater detail about targets.  For now, mum's the word.  Dateline should have followed the same protocol.  I'm sorry I can't be more help here for now.
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Joran seems to have faded out of the Dutch spotlight...shouldn't he be re-entering society soon?? 

LOL.....there are a million of these out there, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0HGl4eo2KM&feature=related

Hello everyone!

Another Dutchie here offering translation help.
I'm really impressed with the work you've doing for the last 3 years.
I take my hat off to all you monkeys who keep the fire burning for Natalee!
 ::MonkeyCool::

I also have a colleague who might understand Papiamento. He's been vacationing for the last couple of weeks but he'll be back at work tomorrow, so I'll ask him then.

Welcome, Jo-An.  It's nice to have Dutchies aboard and translations that don't make you  ::MonkeyConfused::.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Welcom Jo-An!   ::MonkeyDance:: We appreciate the Dutch posters and all the help you've all provided!  Looking forward to chatting with you!

It's a little slow in here today,  I'm here trying to catch up.    Caesu told us you'd be here. 

Unless I missed it,  there was a story in Pap posted yesterday that needed translated about the Persistance.  Did I miss it anybody, or should I bring it over for Jo to translate?

For what avail
the plough and sail
or land , or life
if freedom fail?

Are there any Bird Sanctuarys on Aruba?

I've listened to that piece and I'm also pretty sure that he says: I think she had too much to drink.

Yes, Unless his family has him locked up or tied down,  narcissists can usually never keep there mouths shut for long!  ::MonkeyWink::

Welcome- Jo-An your input is always welcome here also, beyond just translations!

Hi Dihannah,

I saw that story, I will show it to my colleague tomorrow and ask him if he can translate.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank You!  ::MonkeyCool:: 

In for just a minute, but yes:

http://www.aruba.com/whattodo/birdsanctuary.php

Yes the Bubali bird sanctuary just south of holiday inn and the other big hotels

you can find it on this link

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/googlemap/

Welcome to the Monkey Cage Jo-An!

Thank You very much for your help in keeping Natalee's case/story in the minds of many...I can tell you'll be a Fine, Fine Monkey ;-)

Dihannah1,

I gave Maureen Webster a big hug for you yesterday and another for all the Monkey's. She is such a sweet lady! Hopefully we can get her on SM to tell her story.

    Bubali Bird Sanctuary - two connected man-made lakes provide sanctuary for more than eighty species of migratory birds including egrets, herons and cormorants, coots, gulls, skimmers, terns, and ducks.

 http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sightsandsounds/sightseeing.html     

Hi *******....Welcome back....I left you a question in the Suspect's Car thread...not sure if you can help, but....TIA

Check out the last list of  names on this link ::MonkeyEek::
 http://piurl.com/50

Awweee.... Thank you Obs!  Hope to see her and others here too!  ::MonkeyDance::

And thank you to You, Marlee, CJ, Hotshot for the sacrifice and hard work this weekend.  I wish I could have been there with you!  May try to make it to NY, but it's not final yet...

Who is Mark Purcell?

MIP6 - schmuck

Check this link.

Guy seems to defend J2K, but he has a useful graphical map showing the location of cell phones

http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/page07.htm

From the timeline

1:50AM  Kalpoe lawyer says DK drives towards Calf Lighthouse
1:50AM  Kalpoe lawyer says JVDS & NH dropped off(where?)
2:00AM  Kalpoe computer log on
2:00AM  Neighbor sees Kalpoe washing car 2:00AM-3:00AM
2:30AM  Gardener spots JVDS & ? in DK car
2:40AM  JVDS cell phone at Palm Beach area
3:00AM  NH leaves message "I don't even know these people"
3:00AM  JVDS phone approx halfway home
3:00AM  PVDS ATM withdrawal
3:15AM  JVDS cell phone at home
3:25AM  JVDS tells Greta that he is home at 3:25AM-3:35AM
3:45AM  2nd PVDS ATM transaction
4:00AM  Geraldo states PVDS picks up JVDS and drives home
6:30AM  cell phone in Santa Lucia area

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Headmaster states JVDS late to school and PVDS drove him

Ward's 2nd witness? Time? Place? What did person observe?

2nd NH phone call to Mtn Brook?

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I think the 3:00AM phone call from NH was using JVDS's cell phone. The link above indicates that JVDS's cell phone is halfway home. Close to what restaurant?

There are inconsistencies in Kalpoe lawyer's statements to where his client is located.

The link above thinks he is a smart cookie. His laurels rest when he does not include that J2K could have been switching the (5?) phones and PDA's. Also does not factor in WiFi to make it seem peeps where home when they were only using WiFi to call from another location TO their home computers.

There are 2K brothers. One could have been home and the other playing cell phone games to create alibi. Or both could not have been home and using WiFi to make it seem that they were home.



The timeline is everything.

Fin

Thanks! It felt so good to hug her :)She was much stronger than me and marlee when she told her story,obviously she has been through hell and back. Telling us about the younger brother who was best friends with Ryan and now is all alone did me in :(

Please try to make NY I know they are short on Volunteers and this is a big event again for the ATA. NYC send more people to Aruba than anyone.

On another note,

Patrick was jumped while leaving (or at) a Casino last night by Joran's thug friends.  I don't know if he was hurt, but the fight was broken up by the Polis.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks OE.

I hope Patrick is okay. I hope he presses charges.

Oh -- that's right -- the police were involved. Patrick must have jumped himself .

Sunday, November 05, 2006
A new suspect has emerged in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Mark Purcell, the balding rotund hotel employee at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba is the target of Dutch authorities who recently visited Aruba.

Mr. Purcell, who manages the tanning salon at the Marriott is married to the manager of Moombas. Marlene, his wife was recently questioned by Dutch authorities. Natalee Holloway was photographed in Moombas the night before she was murdered by the Van der sloots.

His son Mark Jr. is a bartender at Moombas.

It appears early on in the investigation, Mr. Purcell was found with a large quantity of Rohypnol, commonly known as a date rape drug. When asked about it, he claimed it was for "personal use." His wife backed up that claim, saying "Mark needs it to masturbate."

Purcell has blogged on the subject of Natalee Holloway using the screen name MIP6. He has trashed the Holloway family and Beth Holloway in particular. His activity on a Dutch funded site Blogs for Natalee is part of an effort by the murdering Van der sloot defenders to steer blame away from Joran van der sloot.

Mark Purcell, escaping his bankruptcy in the U.S. had his skin lightened, his belly enlarged and his propencity for lying in hyperdrive all to be accpted by the lowlife Dutch on the island of Aruba. "He kisses more Dutch ass than a drug addict in Amsterdam," said an official in Aruba.

Seems the bloated Mr. Purcell has some very Dutch traits, most notably, thin skin. Like the rest of the cowards in Aruba, he is unhappy with what some are saying about him.

"There was the time at the Marriott's Christmas party when Mark had too much to drink and did his impersonation of the Dutch boy with his finger in the dike. Marlene was unaware that she was to be the dike and was quite surprised by the re-enactment" said a friend.

He is believed to be seeking a transfer to the opening of a new Marriott in Bodie, Nevada.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html

 ::MonkeyShocked::  OMG!  Somehow that doesn't surprise me.  They are, as you said, THUGS! ::MonkeyNoNo::  Just what to expect in Aruba. 

YOU all stay safe!  Thank you for the update

Thanks OE! Something tells me these weren't friends of Jorans. From everything I have read and seen the Govt and the people are just as angry at Patrick then they are at Joran.

OH, I hope the media grabs this info and shares it tonight!  Greta, Nancy, etc.....   Just to bring more attention to "One UNSAFE Island"! 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2083.msg273397#msg273397  Here is a link from "codebreaker" concerning the bird santuary.  I just read a post somewhere ?? yesterday about the bird santuary...the above wasn't the one I was looking for...I'll keep looking.  I seem to recall K2's mom may have worked near there.

Sorry, I read so much stuff yesterday me head was spinning  ::MonkeyHaHa:: but I'm sure there was something significant about the bird santuary.

How can anyone else trash someone whose wife tells the world that he requires rohypnol to maturbate. I think whomever prescribed it for him should have been notified. However, she could have meant he could only maturbate to beautiful young girls who would only undress with him if they were drugged into a coma:) Is Aruba home of the all losers from the US?

Now isnt that something.  Devries exposes Joran the murderer rapist and he tosses wine in his face.  Patrick exposes Joran using his own words and Joran has him attacked.

So, one can olny assume that the idiot keystone cops in Aruba knew this was going to happen ahead of time.  I mean, being the awesome detectives they are, with an open investigation, all of Jorans communications are tapped and they know everything he is saying to anyone.

Or, are the idiot Aruban cops and Hans Mos - "defender of the rapist" the ones who arranged for the attack?

Would love to know which friends they were!Polis we're obviously close at hand.Does anyone have the full story???

Keepthefaith

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1896.0
Topic: MIP6 and REALITY - are they part of the disinformation team?

yeah - the cops are probably the ones who arranged the whole thing.

They will write their reports to show that Patrick instigated the whole thing and he is just there causing trouble.  The Aruban police acting as Jorans personal defense team will show how Patrick cannot be trusted and has no credibility.   Cant wait to hear how they spin this crap.

Why does the prosecution office feel the need to defend Joran van der Sloot against witch-hunts and ... condemns "journalistic investigations"?  Joran has his defence team?  Why does the prosecution office feel the need to provide protection for Joran van der Sloot ... Aruba has a Law Enforcement?
 
Joran van der Sloot has his defence ... law enforcement ... the judiciary and even the prosecution all acting on his behalf.  There does not appear to be one person in Aruba  ... who holds an official position of authority ...  advocating on behalf of Natalee Holloway and her family. 

Janet

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AMIGOE
February 9, 2008

<snipped>

The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own.  “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice.  To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’.  People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences.  Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice.   “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”   

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot

<snipped>

http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Associated Press
April 13, 2006

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — The parents of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished during a high school graduation trip to Aruba, say they oppose moving their civil trial from New York to the Caribbean island because witnesses are too terrified to testify there.
The motion opposing the move, filed by Dave Holloway and Elizabeth Twitty in Manhattan's state Supreme Court, says they "and several other key witnesses in this case have been subject to intimidation, hostility and death threats."http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191599,00.html

(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4271/birdsanctuaryta2.jpg)


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Posted by: private eye How can anyone else trash someone whose wife tells the world that he requires rohypnol to maturbate. I think whomever prescribed it for him should have been notified. However, she could have meant he could only maturbate to beautiful young girls who would only undress with him if they were drugged into a coma:) Is Aruba home of the all losers from the US?

You Kill Me ::MonkeyCool::

Bird Sactuary - TES search - if I remember correctly the area was extreemly muddy like quicksand and difficult to search:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/BirdSanc1.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/BirdSanc2.jpg)
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you nailed it Janet!

"journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice. "


I believe that journalistic investigations are the only reason this case is still alive.

Journalistic investigations are the only reason there is any evidence in this case.

Scared Monkeys keep them ALL in check!!!

August 29, 2005
MANSUR: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.  What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/



Hannity & Colmes transcript: Friday August 27
Helen: Him (Freddy A) and another detainee in jail right now.



Here are the exact charges against Freddy Arambatziz, according to Vinda de Sousa:

Intentionally distributing sexual images of a minor.
Intercourse with an unconscious person.
Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.

One this is for sure.  Peter Devries will cover it and it will at least be all over NL.  Just another thorn for Aruba to deal with.

Hans Mos' immediately absolved Julia Renfro from the accusations of Castillo and Young with a published public letter but ... proceeded to investigate the dispicable accusations against Natalee ... proceeded to investigate per Rudy Croes instructions.

There was no official statments forthcoming from the prosecutor referring to accusations against against Natalee by Castillo and Young as a witch-hunt.

HANS MOS ... WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD??

Janet

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Amigoe
January 17, 2008

ORANJESTAD — ... The two also say that Natalee had died from an overdose two weeks after the night on the beach with Joran van der Sloot when she disappeared. “Joran is innocent”, said the investigators.

<snipped>

Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell the other side of the story.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php


The Lineup
December 2, 2007

As for the second part, yes Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigator, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30.
Unofficial Transcript


Beth Twitty
DATELINE
February 20, 2008

The three main suspects, Joran van der Sloot, and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, were rearrested.

Dave Holloway broke his vow and rushed back to Aruba along with Beth for special meetings with prosecutors. They were asked to bring medical records.  To their horror, though, they say they ended up talking not about new evidence but were asked probing questions about Natalee’s character.

Beth Holloway: They kept saying that Natalee, you know, was a drug user … She's never had a history of drug use. She's never been in drug rehab. Yeah, I thought that -- then, they don't have anything. They don't have anything, you know?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

I don't know~ but I have a feeling there is some important piece here to the puzzle. Can someone please check it out? Thanks!

There does not appear to be one person in Aruba  ... who holds an official position of authority ...  advocating on behalf of Natalee Holloway and her family.  
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That is true :( We even had this South African ATA member yesterdy who told us it was all in the Dutch hands as they are the ones handling the case not the Arubans. LOL!

I posted this in the shango thread this morning…I had saved it for some reason…

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT   LILIAN REGINA   MONTANJA   39-F


Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom: Freddy's mom is a "Supervisory Director" for the Bubali Sports Club located in Noord. Bubali is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:

LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.
Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005

LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT
It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch" I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.
Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005

I have heard of village idiots before, but I swear I am beginning to wonder is Aruba a colony of village idiots. Who else would even to think to claim that as an excuse for being in possession of rohypnol? The post seemed to imply that he had a large supply versus a prescription, yet I noticed no adverse action was taken as a result.

A satirical masterpiece could not possess enough imagination to have written the characters,lines and the story for this case.

I wish they would have asked his wife if the sex as good for her as it is for him. She apparently is a voyeur:)

Maybe it really didn't happen... it was all just a lie as they were under the influence of a big fat doobie....

Anybody check for an update from Glenda at RU or other aruban posters for updates?

If you publicly tell a witness that they HAVE TO COME TO ARUBA BY WORK OF LAW, I think that Aruba has taken upon her shoulders the responsibility to ensure that person is protected. Hans my thoughts on you are wavering. You should have anticipated the attack upon Patrick and provided the appropriate protection. And since he was there at your beckoning, your prosecution of the guilty should be agressive and to the fullest extent of the law. The message to the world is anyone who stands for right will be attacked if on Aruban soil. Way to go Aruba. Your pile of shit you are creating for your selves just got a little taller.

I wouldnt put it past Mos to have ordered the attack.

First he threatens arrest, then the guy is attacked.  If Mos didnt order it, he at least knew it was going tpo happen.  If he truely is investigating, he would have all these punks communications tapped and they would be keeping an eye on them.

Nothing at RU about this and nothing yet on the 24ora site.  A rather nasty Aruban posted on the front page something about Patrick gettting kicked out of a casino yesterday.  That could mean there was a fight and everyone got kicked out...I don't know.

Anyone going to Aruba you can count on your Hotel room being tapped and followed if you are involved in this case. It was probably not a chance encounter with Joran's friends but a set up. It was no coincidence when Julia Renfro appeared out of nowhere to tell Beth and Jug that Natalee's body was found and to go to the courthouse for a press conference back in June 2005. She didn't even have a ride.

I noticed Gerald Dompigs Shield Group is not even online anymore. I guess he couldn't get enough business from the cartels,mobs and the big businesses in Aruba for his expertise in terrorism,surveillance,eavesdropping and security. Shame he had so much backing from the Israeli and Aruban Governments. I guess that explains why he is in the running for that high up ALE position I read about. It looks to me like the original cover up team is all slowly falling from grace. I heard that Van Der Straaten will not be given a extension as Police Commissioner in Bonaire and currently has political aspirations in the Antilles.

Out of business already?
www.shieldgroupworldwide.com/
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How sad for Patrick. But, yes, this will certainly keep in the news.  I wonder if Aruba journalist will report it?  Where is Josy???

New York and New Jersey monkeys–
we need you for this coming Saturday.

Drive, take a train, subway–just be there!

Natalee needs you! Please show up at the Javitz Center and be
Natalee’s voice. Stand up for Justice! You will be so proud that you did!

You saw the great results in Boston. Now let’s do a repeat in NYC,
the prime market for Aruba's tourism in the US.

STAND UP FOR NATALEE!

JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com

In my research I have never come across anything that implies that Freddy was arrested/detained in connection to the Natalee Holloway case.  His detention at the end of August, 2005 was not related to the Natalee Holloway case.  It was related to "sexual acta with a girl under the age of 16 years."  Natalee Holloway was eighteen years old.

Janet

+++++++++++++++

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS: Yes. But I just can‘t get away from the fact that the Kalpoe brothers arrested today, Freddy arrested today. It has to mean something. There has to be a master plan here. What are you hearing about that?

MANSUR: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.

What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Diana Emerencia - Freddy's attorney
Associated Press
August 31, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, EDITOR, “DIARIO”:  What does it all mean? 
I mean, what it means is that these three suspects, in one way or another, had something legally against them, so that they could be rearrested.  And the third one, Freddy, was arrested for another case that has no relation whatsoever to the Natalee Holloway case at this point.

Dan Abrams
'The Abrams Report'
August 26, 2005

ABRAMS: We are back with more on this big news out of Aruba that those two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, long suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been taken into custody by the authorities. Prosecutors saying they are once again holding onto the brothers on suspicion of murder and rape.

We‘ve learned that police have arrested a third person today along with the Kalpoes. Freddie Aaron Batiz (ph), a neighbor of Joran van der Sloot‘s, also taken into custody.  Prosecutors say it‘s in connection with another case.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/


Vinda De Sousa - Aruban Attorney
Geraldo At Large
August 27, 2005

VINDA DE SOUSA, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: The official charges again Freddy who is Joran's best friend and neighbour are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor,
intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.  


Susan Candiotti - CNN Correspondent
NANCY GRACE
August 31, 2005

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, : And then, Nancy, something else was introduced into evidence, that the defense attorneys claim is not new, has been in the file for two months, and they can`t understand what this has to do with Natalee`s disappearance. And I`m a little uncertain about that, as well.

It involves another young man (Freddy) who law enforcement tells me has nothing to do with Natalee`s disappearance, who took some photographs of a 14-year- old girl, described as of a provocative nature, while Joran supposedly watched, as well as Deepak and a couple other young girls.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/31/ng.01.html


Phil McGraw Disclosure Log

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend
 
Name: loran van der Sloot & Freddy Arambatzis
Date; 13 June 2005118:30
Pages: 2
Writer/lnitiator: Dennis Jacobs I Juan Boezem
Description: transcript of a face to face meeting
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
63
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

I really can't think of anyone in an unofficial position in Aruba that advocates on behalf of Natalee Holloway.

We are thinking of taking a cruise. I will never go to Aruba, no matter what happens in the future. I will not even consider a cruise line who stops in Aruba.

Thanks for all you do *******. You too Janet, your posts are always interesting, expressed very well.

Aruba fohgiddabodit!

Scared Monkeys might look like monkeys but they are really Gorillas.

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PI ... I agree.

Hans Mos ... leave the protect of Joran van der Sloot up the Aruba Law Enforcement.  The Prosecution's Office should be concentrating on protecting its star witness.  In the real world outside of Aruba that is the way it goes ... the prosecutor is an advocate for the victim ... not the suspect.

Something is not right!

Janet

++++++++++++++


AMIGOE
February 9, 2008

<snipped>

The OM has called on the media in a press release not to launch a witch hunt around the Holloway-case and to abstain from investigations of their own.  “The interest for this case seems to degenerate into a witch hunt, whereby several people are being menaced in an intimidated manner”, is the opinion of justice.  To the OM, these practices are ‘unacceptable’.  People are being marked as suspects without any confirmation and menaced as such with all its consequences.  Besides, other than causing big unrest, journalistic investigations harm the criminal investigation, said justice.    “Without wanting to harm the value of free press coverage, justice would like the media to be reserved, exactly for the above reasons.”   

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot

The OM is also of the opinion that yesterday’s words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes were premature.  Croes wants to declare Joran van der Sloot persona non grate.

“The boy is not convicted yet; besides, there are a whole lot of judicial hurdles ahead, before he can be refused admission to Aruba. He is legally admitted anyway”, was the reaction of the OM

<snipped>

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

yes Dayhiker, i think that is what they really said but someone didnt translate it exactly right  ::MonkeyNoNo::

LOL,  I love this pic. Martini.  Very fitting to what the Monkeys are going to do to Aruba.  (Imagining that city, is the island)  ::MonkeyWink::

Rudy, you may declare Joran persona non grate. but Joran shows the world that Rudy is his bitch ::MonkeyCool::

This message is for Casa, Hotshot and Klass.....please note my comments under the LCD archive regarding Boston show issues.  PS...it is not negative......Its  the last comment for the thread...so far

From what has been said so far, there is no limitation in the pressing of murder charges, what about the lesser charges ?
Is the clock " reset" from the December 2007 redetainment ?
They don't seem to be going to charge the murder, what about the lesser ?
I know there was a statement in December, but with all the festivities from the DeVries show, is that all gone now ?
So, would it have mattered what the DeVries show gave them ?
I am confused as to what legal options MOS has at this point.
Five years from now, they can't lay some lesser charges, can they?
 

   I agree whole heartedly....   Is the woman he is holding Julia Renroe or Karin ?   great visual, I will ask my niece who works for PBS there in NYC if she can send someone to see what we are doing to this weekend, I wish it would hit the headlines so that we have the large audience see  that we do not support this travesty.......

Wonder if one of urin's thug friends was named daury ??? or if they where involved ???

Welcome to the cage 321blastoff!

You mean Daddy one of the thugs?  ::MonkeyWink::  Daury=Daddy.....

I just wanted to point out how obvious this guy was from from the ATA as his picture was taken inside the Aruban Booth. This person approached us outside to take our pictures with the signs but we told him no he went ahead and took pics of the signs and other Monkeys anyways.

I asked him if he was from Aruba and he said no. He said Curacao and knew nothing about the Natalee Holloway case or Aruba. He may have taken off his ATA badge but he forgot his blue shirt that all the Aruban helpers wore and a yellow pin that says I love Aruba..  ::MonkeyHaHa::
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Unbelivable...did you go in later and introduce yourself?   They all lie, even grownups lie on aruba!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Closer look at the dude

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No because that happened at the end of the day sunday and I knew he was from Aruba but I didn't know I had a pic of him.I only introduced myself to Rob Smith as the rest of them knew me from last year. You have to understand the two times I went in I was pulled a side from security and constantly harrased,plus I was needed more outside as we were short on protesters. Before this picture marlee came in and told me that security said he was looking for me to have the state police remove me..lol

Apparently the ATA thought I was some head monkey or something and didn't want me anywhere inside. Probably worried I would catch them lying to the public or something. I know when I first met Rob Smith he was watching very intently on my conversation with the Head of Security. Looking back I must say what a absolute joke that whole harrassment was and lying about me handing out literature inside,showing the Natalee shirt or even having Literature in my pocket. All 100% lies.

Also, the guy in the link does not take into account the gardener's sighting of JVDS & Co. near the pond.

And he whines about people using selective facts in their arguments. ::MonkeyWaa::

There is something odd about the timeline.

Fin

Congratulations to all monkeys who supported the Boston Travel Show for Natalee. Your badge of honor is your angel wings. You make us all proud.

We need to try and find out what this says.  In today's Bondia:

Pg 22
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.," said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.

She must have lied...OR...it was a translation error  ::MonkeyRoll::

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Peter de Vries attacked

Yes Kermit, but that's OLD.  That happened in the NL a while back. 

Thank you! Media coverage would be great. The big day is this coming Saturday.
Probably more people will be there in the afternoon. The protest will be in the park across from the Javitz. There will be Natalee signs, etc.  visible.

Klaas
Caps and I need you in Shango.  Thanks. LOL

Yes that is Steve Brown who caesu says is all lies and a enemy of De Vries.

I am rereading World Journier.

"GVC [Suspect Gottfried van Cromvoirt] was bothering Natalee on Friday night at Carlos N Charlies. She was dancing with another classmate and this guy (GVC) came up behind her and started humping and grinding on her back and groping her body. She turned around and yelled at him to leave her alone so he left."

So, GVC figures into this on several different levels:
1. Security cameras
2. Was involved with official search for Natalee
3. Made an unwelcome advance on Natalee and he was rejected
4. Became a suspect in her disappearance

This guy needs further attention.

Fin

Good evening Monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::
 I don't quite understand this article. Sorry if this has been posted already.

What article are you referring to??

It might help if I put the link  in....::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


 

This is how I read it.  When DeVries went to Aruba to show MOS the "confession video", MOS said he needed more information. When DeVries said he'd try and set up another meeting with Joran and Patrick, MOS said no because then it couldn't be used as evidence.

It has something to do with the prosecutor can't be involved in secret video tapping of a suspect.

I was just thinking about GVC after reading the interview from him and his father. So many things are hard to believe about this guy especially that they waited a year to arrest him and that he does not know Joran. His Father says he never worked for his company and that is a flat out lie.

They passed on so much bad info we don't know who actually got into a confrontation with the MB teens as we have heard it was Joran,Deepak and GVC. I would suspect it was the latter and that story of him grinding up against Natalee is true. GVC says he was home that night Natalee went missing but some reports say he was working Beach Patrol or was at C&C that night. They just keep stalling and waiting for this all to go away even after 33 months. I sure would like to know what 24 detectives are doing daily when they work on this case.  ::MonkeyRoll::

 Thanks Klaas, That makes more sense than the way I read it...LOL! I didn't know there was a 5th recording.

******* the answer is do you have any 3's.

littletxlady ... thank you.

I knew it!!  Hans Mos was aware of the Peter Devries video recording ... the last segment!

I am skeptical that Joran van der Sloot was forewarned by Hans Mos that Patrick van der Eem would betray him and ... an Aruban plan emerges ... an Aruban plan which implicates Joran as being the ONLY person who was with Natalee when she appeared to die from an overdose but ... distances Joran from the crime of murder.  An Aruban plan that disrgards the gardener's observation.  An Aruban plan which will provide Natalee's family with a measure of closure and ... will be instrumental in making them back off which will have the ability to make the Natalee Holloway case become a faded memory.

Think about it.  Joran distances his father.  The Kalpoes are distanced ... they have the ability to implicate Paulus.  Those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach are distanced ... they have the ability to distance Paulus.

At this point it is all about protecting Paulus ... he has the most to lose.  Joran was a minor when Natalee Holloway went missing ... he would would receive a slap on the wrist from the Aruban Justice Systen or ... the video recording will be dismissed as evidence.  Nevertheless ... Joran will be the sacrifice.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to name his assistance in the last taping ... the prior taping he had refused to devulge this name.  Maybe ... just maybe ... the Aruban plan was for Joran to claim that he made a call from the public phone ... the international phone.  These were lies that could be easily verified.

However ... I believe that Joran messed up when he concedes that he does not know whether Natalee was deceased when he arranged to have her dumped at sea.  I also believe that Joran messed up when he revealed that his father provided him with a cell phone when he was in prision.  I do not think that these are lies.

Maybe ... just maybe ... the November, 2007 detentions were a ruse ... an opportunity for getting stories straight in regards to the impending video recording.  The last segment of that video was recorded following Joran release from prison.

Maybe ... just maybe ... Tamikosmom has an overactive imagination.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet

Janet - I don't think that's what the article is saying.  I think it's sayng that a final segment was NEVER done because by then MOS was aware of it. 

Anyway, have a good night.

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The Persistance is equipped with the most advanced sonarapparatuur. Around Aruba speurt the ship for two months to Natalee Holloway.

"Between hooibergen searching for a pin"
By MAAIKE RUEPERT
ORANJESTAD - The father of Natalee Holloway has his hopes on the sonarschip Persistance at the remains of his daughter to be found. 
But so far, the quest, which began as early as December, no results. While the money runs out, the crew starts to the last stage: diving for suspicious objects.

Long before Joran van der Sloot his televisiebekentenis did, departed Persistance-owner John Silvetti and his men of America to Aruba. Since December 15 trotseert a fourteen storey headlines team with the most advanced sonarapparatuur at his own expense of wild sea around the island.

Almost three years after the disappearance of Natalee, it is only the first serious quest under water. Only the coastguard has made an attempt. But Silvetti smiles wrang. ,, The coastguard has never looked further than the extremely shallow waters.''

After a meeting with Holloway last autumn Silvetti said his ship available, which it is in everyday life inspects oil fields. ,, When Dave Holloway told me that he wanted nothing more than his daughter buried, broke my heart. I want the Holloways their daughter back.''

Silvetti said with Louis Schaefer, the financier who already one million dollars in the operation stopped, a zoekteam together. Silvetti with his crew an area miles from the coast and have searched dozens of meters deep. Silvetti:,, almost the entire surface of Aruba.''

Geofysicus Kyle Kingman examine all images of the sonarapparaat that only five meters above the ground is capricious. ,, We will save no inch over,''he says. For one seemed seem the images on the monitor no more than stippeltjes on a yellowish background. But even recognize groenteblikjes Kingman.

Once thought to bite them. On the seabed was a vissenkooi with something on a skull appeared. This week the duiksessies begin with a robot to about one hundred abnormal items, which have been observed on the seafloor. Silvetti:,, It is the last phase of our quest.''

The chance that they ever found something of Natalee, is small. Bones spread and are covered with coral. Natalee is only found when in a vissenkooi or anything such is dumped. ,, We look for a needle in a haystack in the middle of hooibergen,''realizes Silvetti. Kingman remains hopeful. ,, We are on the right track,''says the young geofysicus, who has decided to remain unborn daughter Natalee called.
http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2083917.ece

good nite all - ******* maybe their playing 21 instead. I agree what can so many detectives be doing to be so unproductive for so long?

Well they did cut down from the team of 40 detectives they had last year working on this case  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Night!

And why was he not charged for these crimes?

I read the original piece in the newspaper about this and there actually was a 5th recording.
PRDV did 4 recordings, went to Aruba to have a secret meeting with Hans Mos and Mos said that these 4 recordings were not enough to get Joran arrested again. He couldn't say he needed a 5th recording because that would mean that Mos interfered with the whole recording thing and then they would have no case at all. Peter realized he needed a 5th recording.
But the original car had already been sold so they got another car, installed the necessary recording equipment and Patrick and Joran had one final ride together. Patrick told Joran that his own car was getting new rims and this car was a loaner. (if you look closely at the tapes you can see that there are 2 different cars  ::MonkeyWink:: ) After the 5th recording Peter went back to Mos and Mos said that this final confession with added details should be enough.

But then of course the judges decided not to re-arrest Joran because "just" disposing of a body is not enough to be held in temporary custody.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Peter was on Dutch tv last week and he said something about Joran not being arrested "for now" but that he wouldn't be surprised if Joran found a subpoena on his doormat in 4 weeks time.
Tick-tock-tick-tock...

Bummer... my colleague just walked in the office so I immediately ran over to him but he sadly told me that he can't read Papiamento...

Janet,

I agree. The son he was supposed to "protect" is not in school, smoking dope, and claims his best friend is Patrick? Nice.

He can't keep the story straight, they've fed Joran too many lies to cover for Paulus and he's obviously not the brightest person.

Paulus and Joran, distancing themselves while joined at the hip.

Welcome to the cage.  Your English is spectacular I must say!  Your translation ROCKS!  I find Pap much too frustrating to look at for very long.  The abnormal syntax makes me crazy.  I want to grab a red pencil, correct everything and send it back to them with a big red "F" on it.  But that's just me. 

The other day I caught the tail end of a show on PBS about Amsterdam.  Great footage of the canals, the architecture (DH is an architect, I have to look), the brown cafes.  It was very interesting.  They have more bicycles than people.  It was hosted by Burt Wolf.  It was a wonderful program. 

http://www.burttravels.com/pdf/holland.pdf

Evidently Burt Wolf did a series called Travel and Traditions and visited several European places.  Having not been to Europe, this is the best I can do. 
Anyway, I thought Amsterdam was lovely and I learned a ton about Holland in thirty minutes. 

Thanks GBNW. 

I think the inflection of the voice of Jordan is off in the tape that was played in the US. too.  When you hear it in Dutch, in Joran's inflection, it sounds nastier.  The man who did the voice over did not match it, imo.

O, I love Amsterdam, it's my hometown!!
I know lots of tourists come there for the red light district (which is about to disappear, so hurry over if you want to see it!) and the drugs but that's just 1% of what's going on in Amsterdam. It has so much more!!!

I have a friend who is a real language-genius: he speaks English (well most Dutchies do), German, French, Spanish, Russian and a bit of Portugese. So he might be able to help out with the Pap. It has a lot of Spanish/Portugese influences so maybe, who knows...
He's in France right now, skiing. He'll be back next week.

Doei! (that's "bye" in Dutch)

I agree about the voice inflections.  The Dutch version is much creepier than the English version that is voiced over.  The voice-over is kinda flat.  I wish they would have run the Dutch voices with English subtitles so you could get the total effect but that probably wouldn't have been the most popular choice.

I AGREE WITH YOUR ENTIRE POST.

You don't have an overactive imagination because this is exactly what I thought happened.  I have said that Joran knew he was being taped.  Tamikosmom I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I said this before this was a setup for them to try one last time to say Natalee died of a drug OD without getting anyone in trouble.

As soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession I knew this was a setup.  The Kalpoes and Paulus are the main suspects along with Joran.  They cannot get away from that premeditated charge against Paulus know matter how hard Joran tries.