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How often does fate give out second chances?

The search by Persistence is a second chance for Aruba.

Aruba can spend millions on advertising.  Everything looks good.  Then JVDS opens his mouth, or texts something, and it ends

up on television.  Not just in the U.S. but all over the world.

It's not the good, it's the bad and the ugly.  Repeated on youtube 50,000+ times, year after year.

The tv special with Persistence showed something good happening for this case.  I didn't see anything ugly in that program,

just hope.  A chance to bring Natalee home. 

Persistence is a positive note.  One ship and crew have the ability to show 100+ items of interest up close, surrounded by

the beauty and wonder of the water.

Persistence is a second chance for Aruba.  No one can change the past, but Aruba has the opportunity to help write the final

chapter in this story.

Persistence is a second chance.  Second chances are priceless.


jmho

I got stuck in the last thread, so I'll post this again... ::MonkeyEek::

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Very well stated. I concur.

Feel better jackb

Sleep.

"Dumb and Dumber"   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

My gut tells me...someone has let the cat out of the bag....can't stuff it back in...gums are flapping'...Aruba is in the final moment before the fall...Natalee is coming home...

Say it loud
Say it clear

NATALEE IS COMING HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those look like two wild and crazy kind of nuts. Anita and Paulus, you really ought to be ashamed. You need to forget about your own selfish needs, and think about the needs of Beth, and yes, even the needs of your son Joran. I pity his 2 brothers, knowing, feeling the shame, carrying the cross of guilt you are responsible for creating. Just what kind of life do you think you are creating for them? All for a little stray young ass Paulus. Comatose granted but young. I hope it was good to you because you have ruined a lot of people's lives. And Anita, you are a pitiful wretch for putting up with it. I pray that the authorities take the younger 2 boys from you so that they may have a chance at a life. Maybe you could send them to relatives.

Miss Magnolia

I just wanted to tell you earlier I was reading and came across your post about us being here so long we could interpret Pap - I almost fell outta my chair laughing so hard cuz it's so true!

Gotta hop now.

Light the fires baby!

Something is coming down!


I hope and prayer it will be tonight.

Hey Joran, you wanna flip? I got your flip. I got your flip right here!    :smt097 :smt097 :smt097 :smt097 :smt097

We have all learned a lot, Mr. Frog.

The timing is a bit curious with new searches/info and Joran being admitted to a psychiatric hospital.

"Nothing bad can ever happen to a tourist in Aruba"
Maybe they are finally seeing that this plan is killing there country? Are we seeing the first faze of Tamikosmom's theory on the Aruban ending?

Was researching the Rob Smith discussion team:

Poentje Castro has a papiamentu program on Teleruba Channel 13.

Ryan Peterson is the Dean of Hospitality and Tourism Management at Aruba U.  He also guided the ATA elections in 2005 with Marlene Purcell and Antonio Carlo.

Ruben Croes, I believe is an RN and Manager of the ER at the Horacio Hospital.  I believe this is an interview from CNN June 20, 2005:


...RUBEN CROES, SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAM MEMBER: It's not the first time that they have found bodies in the dunes here. But it has to do with people getting lost.

PENHAUL (on camera): When was the last time they found bodies in the dunes?

CROES: I think they found some guy about five years ago.

PENHAUL: And how long did it actually take to find the body?

CROES: I think it was -- he was missing for probably another five years before that.

PENHAUL (voice-over): Teams have hunted here for signs of Natalee, but the wind and sand quickly obscure traces of anything that may be buried. Beyond that, the sea stretches to the horizon. It's 690 miles due west to Panama. Any object that drifts off Aruba's west coast will eventually end up in Panama.

We head out on the search and rescue boat to Manchebo Point, notorious because this is where two powerful ocean currents collide.

EFRAIN BOEKHUODT, SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAM COORDINATOR: Once you reach a certain point, you get yourself in the current, and here is where most of the problems happen, and once you're in the current, you'll drift about two miles an hour on a slow day.

PENHAUL: Any closer to shore, he says, and the surf could drag an object back to the beach. But here, with more than a mile and a half off Aruba's west coast, the water is more than 60 feet deep.

We're going to test those currents.

(on camera): Three, two, one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. We have a man overboard.

PENHAUL (voice-over): Here, you can feel a menacing undertow and the strong swell.

Boekhuodt tells me if they leave me in the water long enough, I'll drift northwest a few miles, then due west out into open ocean.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

PENHAUL: But he says it would not be easy to sail a boat out this far at night to dump something.

BOEKHUODT: If you put a foot in the water at night, you're on the radar.

PENHAUL: Back in the air, Aruba's north coast looks much more rugged. But the tides are predictable.

CROES: Everything you throw here in the water on the north shore will always get back to the north shore. Will always get back to land.

PENHAUL (on camera): Where would you hide an object? Would you dump it into sea, or would you hide it on land?

CROES: I would hide it on land.

PENHAUL (voice-over): Unlike in the sand dunes, Croes says it would take several hours to dig a hole in the hard earth down there, amid the rocks and cacti. You can, though, just make out the entrances to a handful of old gold mine shafts, abandoned more than 100 years ago and now partly flooded with sea water.

(on camera): What kind of equipment would you need to get down into those? Would you need ropes? CROES: Ropes, and somebody who has -- would dare to go in there.

PENHAUL (voice-over): It's been three weeks to the day since Natalee vanished, and never finding out what happened to her is a possibility few dare to mention.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/acd.01.html

 ::MonkeyEek::  Ok, so I've been so frustrated at the lack of progress with the procecution of this case and "if" the ALE don't think JVDS is and K2 are "innocent" then where is the investigation going otherwise??  (No where as it is they know who is guilty and who they have to cover for)...  Our hope at this point is the Persistence finding evidence, but if they don't...what then?  The three stooges go free and there is never justice for Natalee. 

I was looking at photos of the crab trap on line.  It started me thinking - when I was at an ocenographic institue they had this huge crab there picking at empty shells.  They told me that they'll eat the shells - basically making "sand" out of shells.  I was astounded.  I had no idea they'd pick shells apart so much as to leave nothing but grains of leftover shell.  Well, that got me thinking about Natalee.  Could crabs have gotten in and reduced her bones to grains of bone?  Apparently this crab in the aquarium I saw reduced bare shells to grains in a weeks time (or there abouts)... hmm. 

I also wanted to ask about the area of the island that some island natives said would be the 'perfect place" to ditch a corpse - weren't there divers that dove in that area and turned up nothing?  Or was that a different area?  If they didn't search that area, why hasn't any diving team ever gone there to see if they ditched her body over that ledge into he sea? 

Yes, I think JVDS called Daddy.  I think Daddy went out, got money and paid someone off for some reason.  I'm not sure it's to ditch a body - but likely.  Perhaps he was buying silence.  Or, perhaps he's just a gambling addict and found himself short and needed more to feed that addiction...or another...drugs (unlikely...but possible)...or hookers or dancers...common with men that age....needing a thrill, bored in their marriage. 

The last thing that I want to discuss is a more gutteral probability - Joran was into drugs.  Who are the known drug dealers on the island?  How did he get his date rape drugs ("probably")?  Where did he get his pot?  I would bet there was cocaine in his history, too.  Where did he get his ready supply?  Wouldn't they be likely people for him to call in time of need?  Then, he'd call Daddy for money to pay these people off.  Has that line of thinking ever been fully explored?  I'd follow the drug money. 

There was rumor that Joran would film his "trips" with girls - perhaps there was a video ring...  Who would profit from JVDS "innocence" ???  Who would need him to keep going? 

I don't know...just some thoughts.....

Psychics (circa 12/07) (not the 2 Indian nuts) "Natalee Holloway will be found in February '08")

Just had an interesting thought in terms of the timing of this announcement of gagging Joran by putting him in a nice cushioned round room without contact to the outside world.

The Boston tradeshow.

Once the tradeshow team returned home I am certain they where debriefed as to the temperature of the American public.  Asked to gauge the level of improvement or decline in the American travellers attitude toward the Island.  From what it sounds like, the Monkeys did their job.  It is called gorilla marketing in some circles.  Basically a very successful anit-Aruba marketing campaign has been targeted directly on all their efforts to lure travellers back to the island.  

Their report had to be very negative.  It had to be a huge red flag to the powers that be that the situation is bad now and quickly getting worse.  They may have been annoyed with our showing at previous tradeshows but I am certain that they never anticipated that a small group of citizens could be so persistant and dedicated.

They may have had a little powwow and decided that the only way to save their little island was to find a way to end this with as little damage as possible.  The easiest way is to offer up a sacrificial lamb that has been silenced and cannot be believed no matter what he says.  First because he has a self inflicted prooven record as a lier.  Second, because he is a mental patient who is either not in his right mind any longer and doesn't know what he is saying or too medicated structure complete sentences.  In either case, they have the perfect set up to say he is not fit to take the stand and at the same time find a way to try the case in court and find closure.  They will find him guilty without his participation.  Then they will close the case and hope that the world accepts their actions and wait for time to pass and memories to become foggy.

Just my prediction...Nothing more.

Lmao Doofus & His Demonseed

Hiya Monkeys

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Translation posted at BFN:

ORANJESTAD - Joran van der Sloot has spend the past week internally in a psychiatric Institute in the Netherlands. This was confirmed recently by his close family.

The motive of this was because Joran had flipped and wasn't himself anymore. It therefore was necessary that he spend time internally and was given treatment necessary for a better health. This news did not come as a surprise here, to see the inner state van der Sloot was in and the way he was acting by which he involved himself in the case of Natalee Holloway.

A youngster of his age, getting so much negative attention will crack any minute. Comments one can hear on the news here, that this did not come as a surprise. In the past his family wanted to give psychiatric attention because of his bothersome actions within the family. There have been several attempts to have him undergoing treatment of a psychiatrist.

But in all instances Joran denied this and said he did not feel he needed a psychiatrist to help him with his alleged problems.

He answered that to do that he had decided to write a 351 pages counting book, titled "De zaak Holloway", which he produced with the help of a female Dutch journalist. For Joran van der Sloot, the motive for this was it being a form of therapy, to make it possible for him to deal with all the things that had happened inside since the day since he met with Natalee Holloway 3 years ago.

I know that I was proud of our monkeys. There was nothing scared about them monkeys in Boston. Over her, over there, armed with the truth, standing with the girl.

I believe Joran's main drug supplier is Lorenzo.

I will bet everything I have that Joran is into cocaine also and not just pot.

He involved himself by doing the deed, not talking to Patrick. And only the truth will get rid of his demons and gain him a second chance in the court of public opinion.

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WhiskeyGirl, I could not have said it better!  You RAWK!!! (insert rockin icon here!).

If they don't get this we may have to spell it out for them. 

Don't think we won't do everything in our power to expose everything.  We dropped the bomb, twice!  We will not allow you to cover this up anymore.  We will fund this research until we finally find something that gets someones nerve just a little to much.  Then your 'house of cards' will burn so fast, you won't see the flame!

Ya'll need to fix this before we do.

San,  Bet the farm!  I think so also.

Freud proved early on that cocaine can create some bizarre sexual cravings and a sense of hypersexuality, mostly in the mind of the abuser, after possibly a few amazing initial responses. The fantasies get further out, the thought processes more and more demented, and the ability to perform declines as usage continues, which pushes the user further out of the stream of normalacy as the user tries to get his body to react sexual situations. Anger and violence often accompany the frustration and the need to force the participation of the non user in the role playing.

So I think I agree:)

Klass:  That needs OTHER than posting.  Too much for now.  I am sure you are aware of that, however.  Thanks   blue

 ::MonkeyCool::  Wow, I had no idea that JVDS was inpatient for mental health.  My guess is that he's cracking under the pressure - freaking out that so many people are  no buying his bull anymore and feeling cornered.  I bet he's getting a bit scared not sure how to spindoctor his crap anymore.  HOWEVER, that said, I'd bed this is also VERY political - the family trying to "save" him.  "Oh, he has mental health issues, that's why he let Natalee die."  Yeah, ok...then we'll have to have a lot of time processing his malingering allegations of mental health issues.  No doubt he has a narcissitic personality and antisocial tendencies, but I'm not going to buy his "stress" or "depression" or "bipolar" disorder as reason for his substance abuse and irradic behavior.  UGHH.  I hear so much of that crap I get sick of it.  Wah, wah...I'm not responsible - get a set and take responsibility for what you did!! 

As far as the drug money, I don't recall Lorenzo... I'd have to dig and I'm drained...can anyone fill me in (again, please)???  Has that line ever really been followed?  I'd bet the drug gangs there are pretty tight and no one really wants to mess with them.  The ALE probably answer to the higher ups in the drug cartel on the island.

As another said, Aruba needs to become a part of the solution

I Hope So!!!  I just now called KIA...as soon as I said I was calling from US...woman on phone...said...no no no no....you must call back in morning ask for ******...she  now handles the press....I told her I was not with press...she said they are*forbidden* to talk with *anyone* about anything dealing with Natalee Holloway...she was very quick to remind me that Aruba is doing fine...said that Jorin is NOT in hospital when I slipped it in real fast....same old...same old...

The motive of this was because Joran had flipped and wasn't himself
Now that is a strange thing to think about...
When was he ever " himself " ?  I am all for people getting help but this just sounds like a PR move. Sure, this can't be pleasant for him, ppl waiting for him in the streets, his name being spoken in an unkind way, on his home turf, Peter DeVries on him like white on rice, but when he comes out, it's just more of the same for him. He would have been out by now and all reahab'd up if he had told the truth three years ago. He was a juvenile in 2005 after all and the courts are lenient on first offenders in most places. I am assuming what he told Patrick was correct. 

And this is Paulus and his family distancing them selves from Joran and the ticking time bomb that is about to explod.  They must know he will tried and convicted.  The goal now is to now get any mud splashed on them in the process.  In their minds this is probably the gentlist way they can "Disappear" their own son before he implicates them.

It was devastating for the Arubans in Boston that I assure you and it was witnessed first hand by Ceo of AHATA Rob Smith. They will get a second dosing of more of the same this saturday in NYC. With the recent media coverage and all that has happened the last few months this is something the Aruban Govt can never combat with there misinformation campaigns and documentary's. There is no answer for it except to do whats right or some type of resolution.

The writing is on the wall and they would have to be blind to ignore it. Rob Smith told us he was confident this would be solved soon. When I asked why he would not answer but he hoped we would help build up Aruba's image again when this is over. I hope he is right and he knows something that we do not.

They are making Joran out of be a bigger liar than he is so WHEN he spills the beans of the other 46 or 47, they can say:  "Who can believe that liar."
So, guess we will just have to get the rest of 'em.  Someone better fess up and get off better because US (we) are comin fer ye.  What ARE you going to do when they come for you, bad boys.      Jack blue

Is Joe Tacopina going to be on Greta to spin the Joran story?

Wow! Destiny calls!  Maybe it's calling Joran's name.   A lot of coincidences today...BTW I don't' believe in coincidence.

Private Eye:  You said, "Freud proved early on that cocaine can create some bizarre sexual cravings and a sense of hypersexuality, mostly in the mind of the abuser, after possibly a few amazing initial responses. The fantasies get further out, the thought processes more and more demented, and the ability to perform declines as usage continues, which pushes the user further out of the stream of normalacy as the user tries to get his body to react sexual situations. Anger and violence often accompany the frustration and the need to force the participation of the non user in the role playing."

I totally agree!  I started my career as an addiction counselor, then dual diagnosis, and now general practice...and yes, cocaine leads people to follow basic drives in odd ways but quickly gets out of control and sooner or later cocaine becomes more imporant to survival than food, water, or oxygen.  So, the user will do ANYTHING to protect their addiction.  I've known coke addicts to tell the WILDEST stories!!  I had one tell me she was positive for coke, not because she used, but because she swallowed pee from somone who did use cocaine!!  (Sorry that's gross.)  Any socially moral person would much rather say the truth than to tell such an elaborate, disgusting lie.  That just shows how much they will lie to protect their addiction!!

There is only one prayer left for his soul now.  He must expose the corruption before the corruption 'disappears' him and his family. 

Clean house, give us Natalee, or we will continue our quest.  We will shake the house of cards until they have all fallen down.

Your move.

I think we would get along just fine!!!!

As long as the world hadn't heard his own mouth say that he is responsible for what happened to Natalee it was fine for him to deal with his problems by writing a book!   :gaah:  "This news did not come as a surprise here, to see the inner state van der Sloot was in and the way he was acting by which he involved himself in the case of Natalee Holloway."  I can hear it now, poor youngster Joran has had mental problems for years that were untreated, those problems progressed with his continued incarceration for a crime the poor youngster could have never committed to the point that he implicated himself in the crime.  Well I'M NOT BUYING IT!  DO YOU HEAR ME PAULUS PIECE OF CRAP AND ANITA DIRT BAG????  YOUR DELICIOUS YOUNGSTER JORAN WAS JUST FINE LIVING HIS LIFE FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS KNOWING WHAT HE HAD DONE, AND WHAT HIS FATHER HAD DONE, AND WHAT HIS PIMP FRIENDS HAD DONE.....LAUGHING AND MAKING FUN OF NATALEE AND BETH....BLAMING THEM FOR ARUBA'S PROBLEMS...HE WAS JUST FINE UNTIL HE HUNG HIMSELF BY RUNNING THAT SICK MOUTH OF HIS!!!!!!  NOW YOU WANT TO SAY "He's not himself"  WELL BOOHOO!   

Lala's...have I told You that I Love You today?....Well I do!   You make me think...and smile ;-)

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Alright, Monkey House...  I'm short for this night and going to snooze.. long day tomorrow 9am-9pm and a full schedule...so niters for now

till it be morrow....

...And history repeats itself in strange ways.  The world continues to look at Americans as weak, stupid, and spoiled as individuals.  They always overlook what history has recorded over and over again.  THE UNITED STATES IS JUST THAT..."UNITED".  We have successfully protected our own on our home soil.  We are strong and don't play by their expected rules when it comes to protecting our own here at home.  We may not always will the battles off our shores but those who step foot on our turf find a completely different way of handling problems.  They will never have the advantage here in the USA.  At least on their own little island they can pretend they are controlling the situation.  Once they are in the US they see they have no control at all.

He who has the fattest wallet and the most staying power usually wins.  He who has desire and patients always wins.  Ask the Brit's when they tried to stop us from creating our great nation.  Ask those in the pacific when they tried to invade.  Ask the Middle East what happened when they threw stones on our turf.

It never ends pretty for the other side.  We have the biggist sticks and the most dollars...we also have the most individual freedom in the world.  This makes us very different and hard for the everyday Joe to understand outside our country.

Okay, all that was rather silly and drawn out.  Maybe you can read between the lines and figure out what I am trying to say.

It's amazing that they are now selling Joran as able to kill and coverup a crime with the world watching for 3 years. Yeah that's real believable. No way this happens without the help of the Aruba Dirty Police, no way.

Yep, myself.

Nothing at all in tommorow's Awemainta about Joran in a hospital or any searches.

I really wonder about the Joran hospital stuff, Bondia has floated alot of BS before and it wouldn't surprise me if this was BS.

Not surprising the search isn't being mentioned either.  Maybe we'll see something n 24ora about the search tomorrow.

Amen my old friend!

Should I translate this into Southern non-politically-perfect English?

Good night all ya'll!


I stand with the Girl!

Does that mean we are engaged?  LOL.  Sorry, I am spoken for. I know that just crushes you.  LOL.      Jack b

Oh...what the Hell...KIA 011-297-584-6381...call 8:00 am Aruba time...new person handeling the *press* is *Ingrid*...they hardly ever give me a last name when I call....shit...I'm going to pick out a small local paper that has my same telephone area code...call as a rep. of that publication...well, I do subscribe to it...and ask away....you Monks might want to consider doing the same...Our Fab Dutchie Monks too ;-)  I've found that sometimes, if you get someone in overload mode...little things fall through the cracks....

Glenda is saying that Bon Dia did not confirm this with the Vander Sloot family.

No.

Sweetie, my daddy was a true Texan.  Maybe a different flavor "Southern" than you are referring to but I can picture the translation in Texas.  It would require no words at all.

Just for fun how what would the proper Southern non-polically-perfect translation be in your neck of the woods?  I am sure it would require a lot less words than my soapbox version did.  Remember, I have been assimilated in the DC area.  Everything is political up here.

I like the way you think!

  We are ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISABLE with liberty and JUSTICE for all.  Our constitution and law was built upon Bibical principals and what God hath joined together LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER.  That does not mean just for marriage vows.  When God speaks it is all encompassing and it has staying power.  We better be careful who we pull for in the elections.  Let no man (or woman) put asunder.   That is all.  Jack b

I point blank asked about 2 searches...one in a lake, and one on land....and that I was told that Joran was in mental hospita...was told repeatedly no no no...Aruba is fine...none of these things are happening...that I have wrong information...that Aruba is fine...that I must call Ingrind in am...she is only one who can talk to press...no others at KIA are allowed to say anything but that Aruba is fine....yes...I will be calling Ingrid in the am...BTW, Ingrid is a new name to me in dealing with the KIA.

Forgot to add...she did ask me if I has spoken with a man at KIA by the name of Rich Cruz....does this name ring any bells?

I understand. 

Don't mess with Texas!

(i'm gonna do it)

Don't F#@$ (edit-RED) with US!

Ban me if you wish, censor me if you must.  I am sorry, but sometimes we have to spell it out!

I like you Destiny!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Charlie says it pretty well with a Southern flair........ ::MonkeyWink::

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anidac ... the real sad part ... Paulus is allowing his son to take the fall for the three years of H--- that Natalee's family has been put through ... the three years of economic hardship that Aruba has experienced.  When in actuality ... it is Paulus' role in the coverup that has caused the ongoing pain.

If ... from the getgo ... Joran and friends had been held accountable for their role in the events that encompassed that fateful morning and ... Natalee's remains had been flown back to Alabama ... the Natalee Holloway case would now be a distance memory.

Aruba's economy is not suffering because "something bad" happened to an American tourist.  Wrongdoing happens everywhere.  The Aruban economy is declining because of the perception that a coverup ... a corrupt Aruban investigation denied Natalee Holloway the justice she deserved ... under both Dutch and American law.

Paulus ... be a man!  Stand up and be held accountable.  How sick is it ... that you would allow your own son to stand alone in the court of public opinion and ... take the fall ... not only his wrongdoing but ... the ongoing grief that your actions has brought upon the family of Natalee Holloway and ... the people of Aruba.

Paulus ... you have sacrificed your son on the altar to save yourself and ... there is nothing more dispicable!

Janet

A dirty little secret of mine....

I decide who to vote for by researching the candidates down to their undies on issues.  Then I select the one that is least likely to to do the most damage in terms of trying to rewrite the history books.  It is going to happen no matter what but historical facts for big events seem to change everytime I have contact with school books.  I raised four and now two grandsons.  If I take out my old books and compare them to each of the kids and now my oldest grandson's primary books it makes me wonder if we all watched a different movie?

Why can't people just be honest, learn from the past, and leave it alone????  This even crosses over into my job as a research analyst.  They start with the answer and order me to write the report and dig the data to support it.  That is not fact finding in my opinion.  My job is killing me!!!!

If you can't tell I am once again working while visiting the cage.  And my attitude is declining. ::MonkeyShocked::

Destiny:

You could have probably asked that person if Natalee Holloway dissapeared in Aruba and she would have said no no..Aruba is fine  ::MonkeyWink::

All I have is Mos's# but you will probably get a secretary screening his calls. Sure would be exciting to hear you speak to Deepak,Freddy,Lorenzo or someone of that nature. I look forward to the next Destiny calls..  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I see Glenda never learned Journalism 101...check you sources and check them again and again....but then is Bon Dia a real paper or just a tabloid wannabe?

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

*******, please ask ol' rob when we can expect gielen's "other side" to be aired.  also find out if they're still treating the psychotic psychics to a free ride and if they've got anymore fairy tales for us.  and remind him that "documents" and "we've got proof" had better be in hand when it's aired, or he and briesen are going to have a worse reputation than julia.
dennisintn

All I need are the numbers...I am a fearless monkey...and I kick ass in a way they thank me for....I'm very polite on one hand...razor in the other....

No...I dig for the dirt...I will get the Number of Mos's Mistress...call her....let her cry on my shoulder....

GOD BLESS THE SOUTH!!!!

Thank you.  You made my night.  Charlie tells the truth!

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ALA_Gunslinger, your translation would have been my first guess.  LOL ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::@Dennis and Destiny..


That is pretty harsh having a worse reputation then Julia  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyWink::

That could be the new slogan....Destiny Has Your Number!   Be afraid...very afraid!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Mos has a mistress?   ::MonkeyShocked::

doesn't it say in the article that the information was check with "close family"? 
dennisintn

Yes it does..
ORANJESTAD - Joran van der Sloot has spend the past week internally in a psychiatric Institute in the Netherlands. This was confirmed recently by his close family

Maybe they asked Lorenzo  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I've been out of the loop, but if Joran really has spent a week in a psychiatric hospital and it was confirmed by his family, I guarantee they insisted he go there to figure out why he can't keep his mouth shut, and to try to fix him so he can.

Dennis, I think it did say close family.  Funny Glenda should be
trying to distance herself. Scared Mos would retract his letter maybe.

I bet that is it.  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

KIA 011 297 584 6381....talked with Winstin...4 times ,He gave me info on the bust/arrest of Lorenzo,3 others... and many details...Rich Cruz 2 times....
The number I have for Mos is ; 011 297 582-1415 or, JC Sambo assist: DA 011 297 586 3003 0r, 011 297 587 0009 Number for Gomez...beach Patrol; 011 297 584 6381..info given to me by Gomez..that Simmon,(sp) Mike and Lorenzo...part of beach Patrol on 2/14/08

It's all very confusing...will be more that willing to email notes of conversations to those who want.

I can just see it now:

Preadmission test: Tell Joran a juicy secret

Treatment Goal: Patient will maintain secret for two weeks while interacting with others in both group and individual sessions.

Criteria For Discharge: Patient has successfully met Treatment Goal

Discharge Plan: Patient will be discharged into the care of his family. Family will be supplied necessary support equipment for outpatient setting, to include: gag, muzzle, and duct tape.

Not going to ban you for that. I have to edit my own self most of the time as well ;)

More often than most of you think with some of the BS I have to deal with,

You don't need a job if you are dead.  Find you something you like to do, or even work for an agency that sends you to different jobs where you are better appreciated.  Get away from that mess.        j/b

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranDuctTape.jpg)

Ahhhhh...but I don't wear knee pads ;-)

I believe that following is the translation to the Bondia article pertaining to Joran van der Sloot's admittance to a psychiatric institute.

Janet

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http://sxmophile.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-has-flipped.html

Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Joran has flipped

ORANJESTAD - Joran van der Sloot has spend the past week internally in a psychiatric Institute in the Netherlands. This was confirmed recently by his close family.

The motive of this was because Joran had flipped and wasn't himself anymore. It therefore was necessary that he spend time internally and was given treatment necessary for a better health. This news did not come as a surprise here, to see the inner state van der Sloot was in and the way he was acting by which he involved himself in the case of Natalee Holloway.

A youngster of his age, getting so much negative attention will crack any minute. Comments one can hear on the news here, that this did not come as a surprise. In the past his family wanted to give psychiatric attention because of his bothersome actions within the family. There have been several attempts to have him undergoing treatment of a psychiatrist.

But in all instances Joran denied this and said he did not feel he needed a psychiatrist to help him with his alleged problems.

He answered that to do that he had decided to write a 351 pages counting book, titled "De zaak Holloway", which he produced with the help of a female Dutch journalist. For Joran van der Sloot, the motive for this was it being a form of therapy, to make it possible for him to deal with all the things that had happened inside since the day since he met with Natalee Holloway 3 years ago.

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http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=853&Itemid=1

Joran vd Sloot a wordo interna den un instituto psychiatrico na Hulanda siman pasa 
Wednesday, 27 February 2008 
 
ORANJESTAD  – Joran vd Sloot a keda interna den un instituto psychiatrico na Hulanda siman pasa. Esaki a keda confirma recientemente via su famia cercano. E motibo di esaki ta pasobra Joran lo a ‘flip’ y no tabata su mes mas. A haya pues necesario pa interne pa asina e haya e tratamento necesario pa mehora su salud.E noticia aki pa hopi no a bin como sorpresa mirando e estado cu vd Sloot tabata aden y e forma con e tabata actua desde cu e la haya su mes envolvi den e caso di Holloway.

Un hoben di su edad, pasando den tanto atencion negativo asina, lo por krak cualkier momento. Comentarionan cu por a tende riba e noticia aki, ta cu esaki pues no a bin como sorpresa.Den pasado caba su famia kier a dune atencion psychiatrico debi na su actuacionnan molestoso familiar. A haci varios intento pa e bai bou tratamento di un psychiater.   

 Pero na tur instancia Joran mes a nenga esaki bisando cu e no ta sinti cu e mester di un psychiater pa atende su supuesto problemanan.

Como respuesta pa esaki e la dicidi di skibi un buki di 351 pagina  titula “De Zaak Holloway”, cu e la produci cu ayudo di un periodista femenino Hulandes. Pa Joran vd Sloot, esaki tabata e miho forma di terapia posibel pa e por a ‘deal’ cu tur loke e la pasa y ta pasando aden for di dia cu e la topa Natalee Holloway 3 aña pasa.

But I thought Lorenzo was the shrink.  He seems to be the smartest one in the.....er......family? Sorta in the family...well, anyway....lets just forget I said this.       Jack b

What was I hearing about a blue barrell and another good donation today that was helping me get over the flu?      j/b

Here's a number for ya Destiny..This guy's a real dirtbag though..He will probably hang up on ya  ::MonkeyWink:: For some reason he doesn't respond to my messages..  ::MonkeyCool::

Telephone: (297) 582-4440
http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html

Blood is thicker than water....blackmail...seals the deal...

Please Sweet Heart...give me a name and a little background..and what we should find out....

Janet - thanks for that link, how the heck did you find that  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/straight_jacketcopy.jpg)

Too Funny Klaas! Poor JOraaaan!  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

Be happy.  Joooraaan is heeeeeaaaaled.  Glooooory. (dance and smack those tamborines.)  Yeeeea yuh.  Oh Gloooory.  Jooraan is heeealed.  See the workings of the mighty shrinks.   See the tape on duh mouf.  He be healed.  (yes I am bored.)  Glooooory.        ( I wont sign this I am embarrassed.)

LOL!  You got that right.  Only one problem.  That type of agency doesn't pay my type of salary.  As an industry expert (so they call me.  Shows you what they know)  I get lots of face time with media etc. outside my regular corp. walls.  Pay is great but everyone has an agenda and wants to prove their version of reality is the correct one.  It really doesn't get under my skin any more and it usuall makes me sit back and laugh.  I've just been burning the candle at both ends being the best grandma possible while refusing to cut the apron ribbons on my four grown babies.  Some how I have made myself the hub of all their lives to the point it has carried over into their twenties.  In a nutshell, something has to give 'cause there ain't no time for granny to color her hair these days.  (giggle, giggle)

Okay, back on topic.

Good evening Red.  Hope your day was smooth. ::MonkeyRoll::

I must slop into lurk mode if I am going to be ready for this webcast interview in the morning.

Thanks for the company.  No one was home for once two nights in a row and I was feeling a little lonely and not wanting to do my homework if you know what I mean.

Good night good Monkeys.  This is a great place to be a part of. ::MonkeyDance::

If Guido sees that tape he will sue, as it will interfere with their conjugal visitation.
 jack the nasty

Nite Anidac

Hi Tamikosmom,  Maybe Joran is panicked as he knows there is a great possibility now they might find the cage with something of Natalee's inside!  If he threw anything in the cage of his, or say one of Paulus' tools, it would be the end.

I know they made this discovery in late December, but maybe he just learned about it right before we did and it blew him away.  His brain has to somewhat burned from all his partying, so he is a good candidate to go loco.  When I saw the size of the M ciggie he was smoking I couldn't believe how humungus it was.  Double at least what you would see in the States.  xox

Sorry, but I am not on the same page or something.  I mean, I heard about some remains of NH in a blue barrell and more to be recovered.  Also some one donated some money, right much it sounds like to the search.       Jack b

How about an independent consultant.  Also there are agencies who deal with professionals.  You might want to start your own consulting firm.  Anything, just be HAPPY.

That was posted this morning from the boycottaruba site. 
Part of body found in the blue barrell and some treasure salvager was funding
the search.....but we do not  know if there is any truth in any of it.

I have been reading on Google Finance that Superior Offshore is having serious finincial
difficulties and a shake up in personnel at the highest levels.
That fancy ship that has been ordered for over a year has been sold even
before it's delivery.

Destiny:

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(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2385/commenciasz5ac8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Here's a guy that likes to talk. Some say he is Joran's Godfather. He was a public spokesperson for both Natalee's case and Lorenzo's MJ bust. Worked on Natalee's case as seen in the documents handling the tip line(Jogger)and other duties. Nickname is Papito and towing company that towed the VDS Jeep as Papito towing.

Edwin Comenencia (Papito)
ext: 975/976
(297)527-2974

I think it's a typing error.  It should have read:

This was confirmed recently by his closet family.

JR may have flipped also thinking about her young hero spending time in the slammer and may be talking to people in his closet.

Just reading to see what's new. 

Destiny and Texasmom, you both rock. 

 ::MonkeyWink::

Good God, man, you've been Slooted. Nurse Klaas, hand me the duct tape.
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks LilPuma!    ::MonkeyCool::

Solo Di Pueblo Februaty 28th 2008

(Looks like a editorial saying he thinks Natalee died of a OD)
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Carlos and Charlies is now Senor Frogs..Same ownership and all they did was take the Monkey down and Replace it with a Frog. Also added a few tables

(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1193/senorfrogci6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Is this the work of nurse Ratched.HaHaHa."One flew over the Cuckoo's nest".I hope that's the type of nursing staff Joran has. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

We heard that Joraaan was upset at the death threats he was getting after De Vries' program was aired.

Maybe the VDS got Joraan into a facility to keep him "safe". 

I wonder if the Aruban law would allow Joraaan to go on trial while he's getting mental help?

Whatever.....it is NOT what it seems....probably a ploy to aid and abet Joraaan in some legal way in anticipation of a future trial.

And it's still only been reported in Bondia and nowhere else.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranCuckoo.jpg)

Maybe it was to shut him up and pump him full of drugs like they did to Fransisco the guy that said he helped bury Natalee on May 30th or 31st 2005. Six months to a year of being heavily drugged every day you will be lucky even remember your name.

How'd you get that so quick??Find the picture where Chief is taking murphy outta the ward and put Paulus head on chief and Jorans head on Murphy now that would be a classic for the cage art collection.Would last a lifetime!!!Good work Klass...


Keepthefaith

Haven't found that one yet  ::MonkeyWink::

Unless I am mistaken This Guy was the Watch Command at the PD the night NH went missing.  We know where the tips went, now don't we?
Well, most likely.      Jack Blue

We did see the great job he did with the Jogger and his extremely valuable information and also the landfill witness ::MonkeyNoNo:: This guy probably handled the tip line and public information,Jacobs handled all the evidence and Van Der Straaten & Dompig did the rest of the dirty work for the ALE.

Here's some great photos.Photo's for all the usual suspects.Actually kinda scary how they all fit. ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://images.google.com/images?q=one+flew+over+the+cuckoo%27s+nest&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&start=0&sa=N

Keepthefaith - I'll work/play around with the photos tomorrow.  Too late for me now tonight  ::MonkeyWink::

link (http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/articleview/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2008/02_februari/28/binnenland/0228_0730_joran_sloot_in_kliniek.xml)

source: Bon Dia.

family denies this in the strongest terms.

OT

I just posted a news article and newsclip from the first day of the Lewis trial for the murder of Kaitlin Aydell.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=813.new#new (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=813.new#new)

We all need to remember our Cubbeegirl and Kaitlin's family in our prayers, this is a terrible experience they are all going through.  May justice be served.

Thanks caesu - this does not surprise me

Maybe it's not a mental hospital after all - just a regular surgical procedure at a regular hospital -- orthodontal surgeon wired his jaws shut.  LOL.

Good Nite Klaas!

There are some great ones.On a personal note.Own a few Tanning salons in the northwest.People in the northwest definitley know that there are many other tropical location's to vacation at without supporting Danger Island.This term derives from my younger days as a boy watching the "Banana Splits".I will continue on a daily,monthly,as well as yearly basis to inform my customers that they have choices other than Danger Island.Small sacrifice for such a big loss!Goodnight for now.I pray,but always Keepthefaith.........

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

friday 29th there is a kingdoms cabinet meeting.

i believe this is the first kingdoms cabinet meeting since peter r. january 27th broadcast.

one issue on the agenda will be the recognition of the province kosovo as a new country.

every friday the standard cabinet meets.
every month (or even less often), the kingdoms cabinet meets.

the kingdoms cabinet is the standard kabinet including one aruban plenipotentiary minster and one antilles plenipotentiary minister representing their countries.

background info, recommended reading imo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_Plenipotentiary_of_Aruba
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Ministers_of_the_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands

Goodnight Klaas!

Thank You TM!

 ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyCool::

You're welcome HP! 

Thanks, TM.

Nite Klaas.  You rock, as always.

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::

Did you watch HR Puffinstuff, too?

De Telegraaf reports about Joran being admitted to psych clinic too:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3418199/__Joran_opgenomen_in_kliniek___.html

http://www.nu.nl/news/1455581/10/%27Joran_in_psychiatrische_instelling%27.html

more media are picking the psychiatric clinic story up.
if RTL an Nu.nl report it, it means all MSM will report on it.

only they all use Bon Dia as the source.
and add that the family denies in the strongest terms.
(but that could be a lie of course  ::MonkeyWink:: )

personally i think it the story is half true.
that he met a psychiatrist but didn't allow them to take him in in a psych ward.

You're welcome Bearlyhere, it's just so sad...

goede morgen!

also same thing. including the denial of the family.

thanks jo-an and caesu!

keep your eyes open for anything that doesn't list Bondia as source, please


Goodnight everyone!

Anyone mentioned this before? I was looking on the internet how to order "Lieve Natalee" (Dear/loveley Natalee), the Dutch translation of Beths book, when I stumbled upon this: http://tinyurl.com/3cl8yq
Somebody on the Dutch condoleance.nl started a condelences-thread for Natalee (from 4 februari 2008 on).

I see that the Telegraaf has published the Joran-in-mental-hospital-news now as well: http://tinyurl.com/393axe
News-sites related to the Telegraaf have it on their sites now as well: NieuwNieuws.nl, GeenStijl.nl.

Forgot to say that they have the Bon Dia article as their source!

Tv Interview with Hans Mos in Dutch..Can someone please tell us if he says anything interesting?

Hans Mos praat over zaak 'Natalee Holloway'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxrrK53GOOA

Just posted this on the Frontpage

This satiricle site has the news of Joran in mental hospital as well.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/1214151.html#comments

Joran admitted to a loonies hospice

Now you got your way? Joran (link) van der Sloot admitted himself into a psychiatric facility somewhere in the Netherlands. His family denies this logically in all modes, because soon there are more crazy people in front of the fence than behind it. In fact it all has taken some time. Because if you have a father who tells you to shut up, for months you drive dumb circles in a Range Rover and then you get all Dutch and American media on your back, that can be experienced as ’some pressure’. So, Joran is flipped out, kookoo! Absolutely nuts, coño beep toot disturbed and gets medication, reports (link) his Aruban Bon Dia newspaper. Has ‘toff’ finally stuck to his promise. Joran has left (link) the Netherlands and now lives in La La Land (link http://tinyurl.com/279otw ). Looking for something to read Joran? The - by us - highly appreciated Karin Spaink seems to be an enormous must … (link) (Columnist Karin Spaink recently was on Dutch tv telling how she talks with/helps (!!!) people who want to commit suicide, but was strongly critizised for the way she does that.)

He talks about the persistence search says they they re looking for a needle in a haystack. He says its a difficult search assuming the needle and haystack even exist. Then he starts to grill the media about interfering with the investigation.
In the last part he talks about how unfair it is that aruba suffers in terms of tourism. Aruba he says is the safest place to vacation in the carribean. He feels it is unfair aruba is beeing punished because they have not solved this one case.

Why is he so worried about tourism he's a magistrate and should be impartial to these things

the text summary in the first seconds summarizes it pretty good.

furthermore mos says:

-he needs evidence to corroborate or disprove joran's confession.
-american press was a big distraction for the investigation from the start.
-aruba is a very safe island and doesn't deserve all the bad attention. 100% of the murder cases get solved on aruba. only this one takes a bit longer.

Thanks Caesu and JE.. I appreciate it!!

You know everytime we hear them speak ever since the beginning it has always been about tourism and how safe the island is. No matter who did the talking it was always about there precious Tourism.When they were contemplating arresting JVDS last time the Aruban Tourism Authority played a major role in that decision and that just isn't right.

They always say what a big distraction the American Media was and Natalee's Family..What about Paul Van Der Sloots friends(Officials) that tried to frame two innocent men to lead the investigation the other way and obstructed justice so his house was never searched? What about the major conflict of interest with all of his friends/associates running the case and the cover up? What about the the Aruban reporters and Psychics that the Aruban Govt puts on the payroll to say things like Natalee ran away,Was pregnant by her father,did drugs and was in rehab,related to hitler,insurance scam etc..That isn't a distraction in the Investigation?

JE & caesu, you are faster than I am... Deleted my translation now...

Good morning Monkey's,
   Good reads here since I caught a few winks of sleep.I think Yoran is in a mental facility simply for stratedgy reasons.Death penalty exist here in the states should he ever be extradited but not so in the Netherlands.If he was ever to be brought here to stand trial,it would be only under the condition of no death penalty as judgement against him.I honestly don't think the U.S. will ever be given a chance to get their hands on him.He'd never make it in one of our prisons and would probably be taken out one way or another.When a prisoner is already in for life or on death row,taking out alittle punk like Sloot wouldn't be a big deal.We have Dahmer for reference..You just can't help but to think how unreal it was from the very beginning that all these adults covered for these boys.Fifteen years wouldn't have been such a big deal as punishment had they all been brought in for the crime.Hind-sight is 20/20 and I wonder if they wish now they had just stepped up and done what was right.I for one won't be satisfied with just Yoran being held accountable.I want them all starting with the Kalpoe brothers,Papa Sloot,Van Der Straaten,Dompig,Jansen,
every stinking cop that worked the case,the band of thugs, and right on down the list of all that were involved.Yoran won't be enough... ::MonkeyNoNo:: I also still believe that something is about to explode on the island of Aruba and the waters that surround it.It feels like a pressure cooker to me.

It says Joran logged in yesterday to his Myspace. I'M guessing that he is not in a straight jacket and in lock up  ::MonkeyWink::

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=88422124

So far only the gossipy type papers/sites have reported about Joran being in the mental institution, with only Bon Dia as the source.
None of the "serious" papers sites (Volkskrant/NRC/AD/NOS) have mentioned it on their site so far.

Any of his buddies could be doing that as cover.I mean really,like Beth said,"Look what they've done"..

Latest news! Joran apparently is out again! He's spotted on a beach in Aruba!
http://tinyurl.com/35tuoc  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/asp/artnr/194921/index.html

Elsevier also. still with Bon Dia as the source.
maybe NRC will bring it too. but i doubt Volkskrant/AD/NOS/Trouw for now.

i hope jvds calls in to Pauw/Witteman this evening.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your right..Could be anyone logging into his myspace.

I was checking out the pimps at tagged..Here's Kawish's Model stare again
 ::MonkeyLaugh::
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6929/98367272996408ve5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Jorans Page
http://www.tagged.com/mypage.html?uid=6528653

Michael Dompig
http://www.tagged.com/mypage.html?uid=9836727

I agree.  He is on there now talking to Noelle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/jersey/7263474.stm

did you read about that massive cover-up abuse scandal on the British island of Jersey?

another classic example of island cover-up secrecy it seems.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44454000/jpg/_44454350_oldresidents.jpg)

Could be that, too.  He sure has a friendly home page.  Seems to really love and respect women:   :roll: :roll:

"friends only!!!!!! no stupid chicks who think they're hot stupid fake tan bullshit or anything. im not looking for random people here! "

Oh those poor kids.  They are out of there now, aren't they?   :smt022 :smt022 :smt022

Now that picture is just butt ugly!!! I'd be screaming for  :smt100 if I even passed one of them on the street.. ::MonkeyEek::

Holland and Aruba = would of, should of and could of but didn't!

You are such a hoot caesu!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

it is now a youth hostel.
but they are digging up more cellars as we speak.
dogs reacted to corpses scents.

a while ago they found bones together with children's toys.
but then the said then it were animal bones...

It should read,"Only small intelligent blonde and blue eyed chicks need apply for friend status"..Freak.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Having problems with the site so I'm posting with quote...sorry!

Jorans lawyer Bert de Rooij doesn't confirm or deny. He does say that Joran is at the same place he has been since the Peter R. de Vries Show. So maybe he hasn't been in a clinic or maybe he's been there all along or there was just a visit?
Jorans grandmother doesn't know anything about it but hasn't been in contact with Joran, Paul or Anita recently.

Noelle is rumoured to be Obscene ...oops... Obscuregawdess  from RU...the chick in her 30's w/ 4 kids that adores Joran. She also thinks quite highly of herself, as well. New picture of herself at least weekly on her profile. :roll:

At least he finally came out of the closet. He states is is not looking for hot chicks. Maybe him and Guido tied the knot

So Joran only likes hoes who have been ridden hard many many miles and put up wet. I see the pattern, Glenda was his first,,,,,,,,,no wonder he didn't care for Natalee. A virgin, young, intelleigent, beautiful, friendly, and articulate, girl,,,,,,,,everything not desired in a woman by Joran and Aruba,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh but that sick bastard pervert of a father, Paulus, what is it that your teeny weiny liked so much? You sweated the sweat of the guilty, you chattered the fear of the guilty, you squirmed the shame of the guilty, because you are the guilty pervert in all of this. You need to keep your special poppa love to yourself, and spare your children and their friends. And Udder, you need to polish those "toxic titties" and try to distract poppa from that special love. You only have 2 more children and such a tiny yard, poppa is going to have to change his taste.

Methinks perhaps joran solicited the chicks for his papa...which is what this cover-up is all about...LOL... and, you might perhaps learn something by studying the html of his myspace page...maybe?  What is the urchin tracking thing all about?  does he want to know who is looking at his page?  and what an intersting profile pic he has, right?  he is still laughing...

laughing because he thinks he has insolated papa... right?  think about it...

I LOVE that movie.  Classic Nicholson, Danny DeVito.... seen it several times.

In my opinion, Joran is still very upset at getting duped by Patrick. It would
not surprise me that he can not get past the damage he has done. He can
not forgive himself this time for screwing up. It will eat him alive.

The path (to walk) was paved by all those who sought to cover this up.
Joran would have walked with minimal damage, secrets would have stayed concealed, peripheral players would have remained anonymous...

Joran knows deep down inside that he has screwed this all up and has
no one to blame, except himself. As a result of his own indiscretion, he has
done major damage to himself, both directly and indirectly.

Paulus has to know by now that this saga will not end as he had once scripted.

Maybe someone could send him some headbands. He may need them to catch the massive amounts of sweat that are likely to be coming from his forehead. He does sweat alot when the pressure is put on him.

Aruba may want to declare a nationwide flood alert.

Joran should have taken notes from the Kalpoe brothers...

They seem to follow directions better... Be quiet, stay under the radar, do not bring attention to yourself, and we will take care of the rest.

Yep but Joran can't help himself

How many closed door meetings are going on in Aruba these days?

The choo-choo train is on the way and most, if not all, know it...

Good morning all ya'll.

I forgot to apologize for that Fbomb I dropped last night.  Won't happen again.

Back in the saddle this morning....Gotcha *******....Thanks!....my dialing finger is itchin'...I know what that means ;-)

I think this was posted a couple days ago but I'll repost:

Sunday 2nd of March, 2008 Telearuba will show a program called "A day in a Life"

The show will be About Natalee Holloway. It will be Bradcast via Telearuba , Tele Curacao. and ANT TV.

Beside the Live TV cast, it will be transmitted via the radio stations in Aruba TOP FM, COOL FM, and Real FM, on Curacao it will be Direct FM.

Via Internet www.telearuba.aw and the other stations www.promoaruba.aw

There also will be 3 live telephone lines for people to ask question on sunday.

Questions can now be sent to undiadenbida@setarnet.aw and undiadenbida@hotmail.com

also via MAS (SMS) messages 2001

The Pannels are:

Mirna Jansen - Director Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA)
Rob Smith - AHATA

show of pre-recorded interview with Dr. Ryan Peterson of the University of Ariba and Mr. Ruben Croes of Aruba Search and Rescue.

Mr Bob Harms - His Topic will be Crisis Management.

Mr Hans Mos, Ministerio Pulbico (OM)

Show pre-recorded interview with Patric van de Eem / Joran van der Sloot

and a film that was never been shown to anyone made by the Investigators Team (ALE)

Thank you *******.  Thank you JE.

Jossy Mansur comprehends the reason that tourism has declined over the past three years.  Hans Mos does not get it!

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
Dana Pletzer Show
October 5, 2007

Mansur:

People thought Beth caused bad publicity for the island, but Beth is not at fault, it is the three suspects. If there's damage to the island it should be on the shoulders of the three suspects.

Back in the saddle this morning....Gotcha *******....Thanks!....my dialing finger is itchin'...I know what that means ;-)
Thank You from lil' ole' me too...

Bull hocky!!!  They all LIE!  I was told last night when I called KIA...that Joran was NOT in a mental, nor any other kind of hospital...I think he is running free just like he always has...and he will be in the casinos soon if not already...cuz he MUST party.....he can't stop himself...he NEEDS his juice...he is a sociopath to the max!

Sure did.Great stuff.The Bugaloo's,Land of the lost,Wonder Bug,Dr Shrinker.Only if they could put Joran on Danger Island or let Dr. Shrinker get ahold of him.Wpould be so much fun to watch. ::MonkeyWink::

Sounds like Hans is falling in line with the tourism board.He shouldn't care about anything but justice for Natalee!

Keepthefaith

Sociopaths are excellent con artists.  They can make you love them while reaching for the dagger to stab you in the back.  Joran has the ability to fool the average therpist, psychologist, or psychiatrist.  If Joran is in any hospital it is not because he has gone over the deep end...he had no place to go...he was already there many years ago.  Should Joran be treated for any type mental illness it is a ploy not to prosecute him...just in case that is on the agenda...as I said before...time served...let's party. ( I hate it when I am right.) :roll:

*******...have called the law offices....went to voice mail...I left no mssg....will only talk when I get a human on line.

Also called Popito's towing...all lines busy...so far....will keep trying....Kia next on list.  Any more?

St Louis Stands By The Girl!!!!
We wil be there at the Tourism Convention in a peaceful protest of Aruba WITH the support of the St Charles Police Dept on Sunday March 9th.
They are contacting the Convention Center for us to work out a plan AND making a personal visit to the Aruba Booth to let them know the Police Dept is aware of our presence and as long as we follow the protest plan, they can call them all they want, we will have no problems with the police.
The Captain also said to send Blessings to the Family and if he were allowed, he would be there with us holding up a sign saying Boycott Aruba!!! He is well aware of Natalee's story!!

Should have some pizzas delivered to all the parties involved from the Monkey Cage.Anchovies anyone??? ::MonkeyDance::

Excellent job.

OK...hmmmmmmmm...called Kia...Ingrid not in right now...but, KIA administrator I was passed off to after third try...would not give me his name...just kept saying he was a Kia Admin...so...I asked if Joran was on Aruba...he went into a tail spin...stuttering hemming and hawing....said *I can not talk about that...you must talk to someone else about that question*...then asked to put me on hold...then came back and transferred me to a non-english V-Mail....I'll try again later....

BLESS YOU!!!!!

Keepthefaith

It seems to me at least....the Persistence search has chapped some Aruban Asses pretty raw....wonder why?

I wonder why they can't just say..."No. Joran is not on Aruba?"   Seems Destiny has Aruba's number. LOL  Cowards!  All of them!

Lala's...don't know about having anyones number ;-)....but I do know when I hear someone going into panic mode after a question out of the blue, they were not prepared for...I find I get more info working left field, than going to the prepared statements of the puppet masters...

Ecxellent!!

No problem...sometimes a little cayenne is good!  ::MonkeyCool::

where did you get this from?
haven't read this anywhere else.

general consensus is that he is indeed in a nut house
i myself doubt it though. probably only had a appointment with psych.

A nut house is probably the only place that would rent him a room.

Awww.  I miss all the good stuff.

(I try not to post when I'm pizzed off, but sometimes ya just gotta say what's on your mind!)

Considering that Gerold Dompig was instrumental in diverting Dave Holloway and Tim Miller's attention away from the landfill to the current search area ... it is unbelieveable that Hans Mos is negating a positive outcome.

It should be remembered that in October, 2005 Gerold Dompig's official position within the Natalee Holloway investigation implied that his words were derived from a foundation of accumulated inside knowledge.

Janet

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Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 26, 2008

Tim: ... In fact Chief Dompig told me 2-1/2 years ago in October when we was at the landfill that we needed to be out in the water, and he felt as though Natalee was put in a crab trap or some type of container.
Transcript - Heli (RU)


Tim Miller
DATELINE
February 22, 2008

The deputy police chief saw Tim Miller and Dave Holloway and shared a hunch.

Tim Miller: And said, "There's no need for you all to be searching the landfill anymore." He said, "I think you all need to be out in the sea, three to five miles."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/3/

Yes Janet...now that the search is going in the direction, on advice of Chief Dompig's considerable amount of supposedly valid info....the Persistence has Mos's panties in a wad....hmmmmmmmm...

O/T sort of......Here is a follow up to the mystery plane that landed in Bonaire lat week. I remember someone posted the report, so here is the followup>>

Suspects small airplane ran in
KRALENDIJK – The police arrested the two persons that landed in Bonaire with a pleasure aircraft last week Wednesday.  The 37-year old Canadian pilot A.T. was arrested yesterday afternoon at the airport and the 30-year old woman that accompanied him on this trip was arrested in a hotel in Playa Pariba.   

The police heard last week Wednesday that a small aircraft with drugs on board was on her way to Bonaire.  When the police arrived, they learned that the special Tubine Legend had already landed a few hours earlier and that the two passengers had left the airport.  The Public Prosecutor had then attached the aircraft that took off from Isla Margarita.  Nothing was found on the two persons arrested.  They remain in custody for further investigation.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

I am at a loss of positive things to say about Mos. If you are the prosecutor of a high profile case that is costing your country millions of dollars, allegedly, and the case has a suspect who has confessed twice, and the missing ingredient is the body, why would you not be doing all you can do to assist a boat with the sophistication that the Persistence has to complete a search that was not possible with Aruban equipment, He should be thrilled that someone has donated as much as they have towards the search and be beating the bushes to fund the rest of the search by the Persistence. Why would you not be thrilled that a journalist gathered the admissable evidence that Peter did? Peter clarified things for the people of Aruba and the Persistence is there to serve Aruba, but they need Aruba to fund approximately 25% of the search. And they probably can give Aruba material that is evidence for previously unsolved cases.

Since I consider you the Monkey Librarian around here...would you happen to know the exact date that Dompig told this to Tim Miller?  I am comparing notes to something. TIA

Posted by HannieC at RU:  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi MF, 

Do you know anything about Lorenzo's ex gf retracting her statement, so now he hasn't got an alibi for that night?

Or is that also a rumor?

Posted by Glenda/Renfro at RU when asked about Joran being in a Psychiatric Hosp (keep in mind Renfro works for Arubatoday which is owned by BonDia):

My sources say Bon Dia is incorrect!

I work for a newsprogramme in the Netherlands; we've called them to check the story. I haven't spoken to them myself but a colleague of mine.

It's simple.  Someone does not want them solved!

Who have you called?

Ooops!  That will ruin your day lorenzo.

He has lived in a nut house since the day he was born!

Janet
Throw me a bone here...please.  Janet?   ::MonkeyShocked::

True,True...There's probably stuff everywhere out there,on the island,under the island,etc,etc,etc.The more they search,the likelyhood of them finding Natalee,and or someone else or something else gets even bigger!!Keepthefaith.Justice will be served one way or another...

Where's nurse Ratched when you need her...... ::MonkeyDance::

There are no unsolved murder cases on aruba. In that interview he says that all murder cases from the last 5 years have been solved except this one

We've called Bert de Rooij & his grandmother mrs. Hugen. We've also got the telephonenumbers of Joran, his parents etc. but we haven't called them (as far as I can see in our agenda); probably because they don't really pick up their phones these days ;-)

That's a very telling statistic.You solve them all except for this one.Someone with a lot of pull on Danger Island must have been involved in this one ya think????????? :2thinky: :2thinky:

Ok, thanks for the info.

We are a GO for the St. Louis Travel Show protest on March 9th.....

Join us and be a voice for Natalee

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2656.0

A few old chestnuts that every Aruban official should know and understand (in no particular order).

UP S***T'S CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE

SOL - S**T OUT OF LUCK

A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT

THE S**T IS ABOUT TO HIT THE FAN

ALL HELL IS ABOUT TO BREAK LOOSE

BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES

BETWEEN THE DEVIL AND THE DEEP BLUE SEA

"There are no unsolved murder cases on Aruba".  Could it be that what is really a murder has been called a suicide?   (think of those poor souls we have seen hanging by their necks, with one hand in their pocket that have been called suicide)   And how many people are missing?  That wouldn't count toward the murder statistic either.  Cover up.  Cover up.  Cookin' the books.  Skew the statistics.

You took the words right out of my fingers!

Lets not forget the dismembered folks who died from natural causes!!!  Like bleeding out is a natural cause????

Wonder how many "drowings" were also really murders?  How many died by "drug overdose" and it was murder?  It's endless...

Great news Sunny!

Hans Mos actually says "all cases in which people have been killed" in the past 3 to 4 years have been solved
he does not say murdered. Oops translation mistake

I could comprehend the defence being apprehensive ... I could understand those behind the coverup distancing Joran and Paulus from implication being apprehensive but ... THE PROSECUTOR ... THE ADVOCATE FOR THE VICTIM???

I believe that the coverup in the so-called Aruban investigation includes the "powers that be" within the ALE ... the prosecutors office ... the Justice Department ... the Dutch/Aruban governments and ... the judiciary.  There has never been an advocate for Natalee Holloway ... justice for the 18 year old American citizen never stood a chance in Aruban investigation from the getgo.  It has all been about distancing Joran and Paulus from implication.

My belief is that the huge undertaking of the Persistence in international waters should be completely independent from the "powers that be" within the Natalee Holloway investigation to ensure that the sacrificial efforts in the search for Natalee Holloway's remains are not undermine.

When I read that an Aruban Police Dive Team is be used to check out hits ... it greatly concerns me.  When I saw Hans Mos on the DATELINE special being consulted prior to investigating the find of the trap/cage ... it greatly concerns me.

IMO

Sincerely, Janet

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Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA (Twan Huys)
June 28, 2005

JUDICIARY

Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?
 
Paulus van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?
 
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.


PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].

Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?
 
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): Mrs. Croes.
 
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.


ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT

Reporter (Twan Huys): Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

Paulus van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?

Paulus van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): Jan van der Straaten.

Paulus van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.

Translation Credit: Dugo - Riehl Worldview


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

good work! thanks for the information.

i won't ask which newsprogramme you work for, but any chance they will make an item about jvds and how the investigation went in aruba from the start?

also an item just about scaredmonkeys could be interesting.
i think the dutch public will be amazed if they see how close the monkeys have been following the case using aruban and dutch media. i am very much. extraordinary effort.

Have we ever seen Lorenzo's or his GF's statement, if not were can we get it

That's  the million dollar question, isn't it?  How is it decided a person has been "killed"?  You can be killed when run over by a car.  It could be an accident or it could be murder.  (or even suicide!)  It could be murder and the decision is made to call it an accident.  And therefore it would be called "solved".  In another country in another time in my life, I had a neighbor that had an Indonesian house maid, aged 15.  She was found dead in a dumpster, with signs of cigarette burns, burn from a steam iron, she had been sexually violated and she had been strangled.  The maid had been heard screaming and crying over a period of time, and complaints had been made previous to her being found to no avail.   Guess what?  It was ruled a suicide. Her relatives could do nothing and neither could we, except to shun the family that she worked for.  A British man who worked  security with the police knew the man from the family the maid worked for was guilty, but it didn't matter.  The wife's family had influence.  And so the case was solved.  There is "solved" and there is truth and justice.

Hallo...I don't post very often and can't seem to catch up reading one thread....I would like to hear more about this "body dump" that was posted about waaay earlier...and perhaps if there is pertinent info could there be a thread started about it?  If not....that's OK....thanks... ::MonkeyWink::

goodight monkeys

Good Nite Imnoangel!  ::MonkeyWink::

LoRain, if you want to catch up quick, there is a button "PRINT" (a couple buttons to the right of the REPLY button) and it will display the whole thread in another window without the pictures and stuff and you can read it straight thru.  I have been desperate at times and actually sent the whole thing to the printer so I could take it outside and read and smoke simultaneously. 

Where there's a will, there's a way. ::MonkeyCool::

Grupo di barco Mericano “Persistance” ta busca den dam na Montserat

ORANJESTAD - Grupo di e barco Mericano “Persistance” ayera a dicidi di drenta dam na Montserat pa asina wak si nan por haya algo. Nan a pone un sonar ultra sofistica cu a base di un software ta lagabo wak tur cos cu tin tanto den e awa cu den e lodo den  un forma tridimencional. Aunke cu e dam ta sumamente seco toch a logra haci un trabou amplio pa asina wak si por encontra algo di Nathalie Holloway. Despues di analisa tur e graphiconan cu nan a logra compila den e dam lo bai wak si ta yega na algo of no.



http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=858&Itemid=1

Through Pap, Spanish and Portugese translation:

are of barco mericano “persistance” is busca in dam at montserat
oranjestad - are of the barco mericano “persistance” yesterday owing to dicidi of enter dam at montserat for so look at if they can achieve algo. they owing to place one sonar ultra sofistica cu owing to base of one software is lagabo look at all cos cu have tanto in the water cu in the mud in one form tridimencional. although cu the dam is extremely seco yet owing to succeed haci one work amplio for so look at if can encontra algo of nathalie holloway. after of analisa all the graphiconan cu they owing to succeed compila in the dam will go look at if is arrive at algo or not.

mericano boat ploughs of "persistance" is searchs in dam at montserat
oranjestad - the ploughs of barco mericano "persistance" yesterday owing you dicidi of to enter dam at montserat will be so look at if they can achieve something they owing you place one extreme sonar sophisticates cu owing you the base of one software is lagabo look at all cos cu have in such a way in the to water cu in the mud in one form tridimencional. although cu the dam is extremely dry yet owing you succeed haci one work extends will be so look at if can finds something of nathalie holloway. to after of analyzes all the graphiconan cu they owing you succeed compels in the dam will go look at if is arrive at something or not.

mericano boat ploughs of "persistance" is searchs in dam AT montserat
oranjestad - the ploughs of barco mericano "persistance" yesterday owing you dicidi of to to enter dam AT montserat will be under look AT if they dog achieve something they owing you pleases one carries far to sound sophisticates cu owing you the bases of one software is lagabo look AT all cos cu have in such to way in the to to water cu in the mud in one form tridimencional. although cu the dam is extremely dry yet owing you succeed haci one work extends will be under look AT if dog finds something of nathalie holloway. to to after of analyzes all the graphiconan cu they owing you succeed compels in the dam will go look AT if is arrive AT something or not.

In case all you non-Shango people missed it...check out this predator map that Blonde posted in the Shango thread and what we now know them to be searching, per Bon Dia today...well, if we can believe anything in that tabloid.  Just something to think on. Never say we aren't on top of things in that thread.  At least it's something.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2700

We cover news; so that would have to be a backgroundstory (sorry don't know the english term for it; but when I write it down the term seems wrong). But we've been covering this story from the beginning & maybe I could push this kind of item. The role Paul van der Sloot (& 'his friends') has played has been questioned from the very beginning. And of course, with the recent developments, now more than ever.

The problem is I do think that some things on this forum concerning this case are farfetched. And there is so much information - posts that's difficult to get a total realistic view.

Please understand that I don't mean to offend anyone and I'm hoping you will understand where I'm coming from...

So what does the article SAY? 

I get up early.  I can't decode much after 4pm.

TY

How I understand the article, it appears they are using the equipment from the Persistence to search the Monserat area in Aruba.

Welcome GBMW

There is alot of information here.  It can be overwhelming.
From the start the main thing has been to find out the truth.

Thanks for joining in the fight for Natalee.

Thank you. 

I can look at Dutch and kinda figure it out but Pap is a mystery.

  Yes?  Well he better check out those freaking cages in the ocean with the skulls and body parts.  Also, I guess the island he considers safe, but now just stay out of those fish traps....is that what I am hearing?  They must have given Mos a triple dose of that drinking water and now he is seeing the clothes on the king as was in the story book.       jack blue

Thanks martini.

Could somebody please tell me where on the Island is the Montserat area located.

Thank you.

Janet 

I think it says they re using a sophisticated sonar and software that can make three dimensional images of objects
even in mud?
to look in a place in montserrat. Maybe that muddy pool

not sure though

thanks  Martini........does anyone know what the information is that is the prelude to this search and from who???

yes i understand a news program will be hesitant to go into detail in a case like this.
expecially if information seems to be farfetched. they don't want to burn their fingers at this.
(ze willen hun fingers hier niet aan branden).

but maybe just covering how the scaredmonkeys have been trying to get some resolve in this case.
then the news program doesn't need to go in detail, just how much time is spend with gathering information, translating, discussing, analysing.
i can see Netwerk or NOVA for example doing a piece like that.
from the angle of citizen investigation.

Harm Brouwer (chairman board procureurs generaal dutch OM) wanted debate about citizen investigation.
http://www.trouw.nl/hetnieuws/nederland/article912340.ece/Debat_over_rol_burger_bij_opsporing

Welcome and thanks....

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

GBMW - Maybe a good place for you to read, if you haven't done so already, is the Important Case Document area.  The suspect and witness statements (what we were able to obtain) are posted there along with copies of the Dutch.  I realize many of the translations of the statements are pretty rough.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=6.0

Lala'sMom posted this link to the Simian/Shango thread with a map.

Don't forget the link, Jo-An!!!   ::MonkeyEek::
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2700

It s in this area

(http://i32.tinypic.com/rct0ly.jpg)

I get the impression that our Dutch posters have no idea how Smit and Wit have twisted and subverted Justice in Natalee's case. It's almost like Smit and Wit have been acting with impunity in the case and if the whole of their actions were ever made public there would be outrage from one end of the Kingdom to the other. Out of sight out of mind.

They've gotten away with it so far.... let's see if the citizens and authorities of Holland will ever hold these two responsible for the obvious corruption.

When you see the whole scheme launched by these two, you'll wretch.

I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Bondia022808search.jpg)

look at it from the side of a news program.
this case is so messed up from the start.
peter r. de vries, tried but some say that backfired... they couldn't get jvds re-arrested.

i am sure peter r. de vries will try again from a different angle. and eventually he will succeed.

but a dutch news program will be very very hesitant to touch this case again and go into detail.
most dutch tv programs are made by production companies payed for by broadcasting companies payed for by tax money!

they fear to get it wrong. so i think only peter r. de vries (commercial network channel) will go in to detail again.
regular news programs will just follow peter r., don't take initiative themselves.

but news programs could cover it from a different angle i think, without getting in too much detail about the actual case investigation.

i wish we had a daily program like greta on the record / nancy grace over here...
we don't have 24/7 news networks. then they can get it wrong one day but correct themselves the next day.
if a dutch news program gets it wrong, they are screwed. so that's why they are hesitant i think.

Actually it's in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco.  It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. If anyone is looking for it.

Oops!  I should have said the yellow lined road on the right side of that circle.  The one that is not numbered.  Gosh! I am not good with maps. Sorry.

This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

It looks like its about to sink!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

What is the story encompassing this search.  Has it anything to do with the Natalee Holloway case?

Thank you.

Janet

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http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=858&Itemid=1

Grupo di barco Mericano “Persistance” ta busca den dam na Montserat 
Thursday, 28 February 2008 
 
ORANJESTAD - Grupo di e barco Mericano “Persistance” ayera a dicidi di drenta dam na Montserat pa asina wak si nan por haya algo. Nan a pone un sonar ultra sofistica cu a base di un software ta lagabo wak tur cos cu tin tanto den e awa cu den e lodo den  un forma tridimencional. Aunke cu e dam ta sumamente seco toch a logra haci un trabou amplio pa asina wak si por encontra algo di Nathalie Holloway. Despues di analisa tur e graphiconan cu nan a logra compila den e dam lo bai wak si ta yega na algo of no.

  That freaking island is "far-fetched."  Think about it.  They kill a young girl, confess, and make the girl and the family a victim.  No, we are not far-fetched.  They and their devil's spawn are far-fetched.  Those locals have to kiss azz (they think) to survive.  That must be hell on earth.  I wouldn't put it past that hospital there to be into selling body parts.  That would sound far-fetched anywhere but Aruba.      Jack b

Thank you Oceanexplorer.

You responded to my queries prior to me submitting my post.  Amazing!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

Actually it's in the corner of that yellow lined road and the one labeled Calco.  It is beside the soccer fields and the Lekker Chinese restaurant. If anyone is looking for it.
[/quote]

Thank you Lala'sMom.

Janet

Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?

The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

Oceanexplorer - do you know if they are still searching that area today or did they finish up yesterday?

Posted by Glenda at RU regarding the Bondia article about Joran being in Psychiatric care:

Devastating to say the least! I was told that the author of the report confirmed that he had 3 sources for the story and that one of them confirmed it with Joran's family.

Another reporter has since spoke the the v/d Sloots who deny the validity of this article

P.S. Glenda's comment "devistating was in reaction to MF more or less saying that Bondia is worse than Diario since they haven't retracted it"

I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.

  It sort of looks like a bathtub.  Reminds me of kids playing on a lake in a homemade little boat.  We thank them so much though.  Now that is brave.  God only knows what is in that water.  Maybe even Joran's cousin jaws or his grand cousin leviathan.      j/b  (now is that far-fetched or what?)

Posted by MF at RU:

In Diario today-

Nothing about the Persistence.
Nothing about the money seeking ad.
And nothing about the 'crew' searching on land, in dams and the sand dunes, instead of the ocean, where Tim Millerlight assured us that Natalee would be.

So, I guess some are not believing in Joran's "confession" either.

i can imagine that when they're back on the shore, tony folds the boat up and puts it in his pocket.
dennisintn

What are you doing off the boat?  You know you need to be there.
We are depending on you the most of anybody. ::MonkeyDance::
It will take forever for you to get your sea legs again.
Are you wearing your sunscreen?

Again, this was done to rule out the pond that wasn't previously searched while we were waiting on weather dockside with the Persistence.  I was personally greatful of the guys who went on this search because it's very tiring work.  Other than lugging all the gear and boat to the site, it's tiring repeatedly raising and lowering the sonar and clump weights it uses (all day in the sun). 

They don't like surprises over there do they? LOL

I'm thankful they were able to search this pond that wasn't previously searched.  Please know that we appreciate all you guys are doing in Aruba.

You're work truly is appreciated.Only if the Aruban authorities had the morals and values of the crew of the  persistence.Thank you for your work.You,as well as the crew of the persistence truly are a blessing to the people around you!Our prayers are always with you.


Keepthefaith

Please extend our thanks to those guys for taking the time to check it out.  Also, thanks to all of you for the hard work and dedication each of you have shown for Natalee and her family.  God has bountiful blessings in store for each of you.

and then seeing hans mos on telearuba tv yesterday talking about that the money is running out for the ocean search.
wel bloody hell transfer some money from the always most important economy ministry (tourism) to the presistence!!!
it is in the islands interest that this case finally gets solved or am i mistaken.

Hi Monkeys!

Just got home again...called hit 94 FM Aruba...only got a woman who only speaks Spanish...I speak some Spanish...we got around the language barriers pretty well...she did inform me that JORAN IS ON ARUBA WITH MAMA E PAPA is en cu casa de Mama e Papa...ahora...right now...so I gues this means from what she told me...Joran is at home with Mama and Papa Sloot....making some other calls trying to confirm this...the number I called is 011 297 582 8094...Destiny

Peter has a new column, at his Dutch site, regarding Patrick:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/

He always says he's been a crime investigator for 30 yrs..........LOL......must have started as a baby....... ::MonkeyWink::

The psychics are probably giving therapy....with filming by Renee.......for the big compensation case.   ::MonkeyRoll::

The best thing the ignorant asswipe that wrote this message could ever hope for is that he never needs the services of the international hero Tim Miller.

Judging by their lack of reasoning skills, it is very probable that they just might need him to locate their head which is obviously inserted far up their own ass.  If they are lucky enough, Tim Miller will bring his ground penatrating radar and possibly a dive team to locate and recover the pea brain from their own mudhole.

You could call the sloots direct they re in the aruban phone book LOL

Well...gimme the dang number....LOL

Very simple step towards a little restoration of the image i call Danger Island.They should fund all searches which they have neglected to do.Wonder why?What do the have to hide??Bodies,drugs.Makes you really wonder.

Bwwaahahahahahaahahahaha!!!!!!

if you get ahold of someone over there will you ask them WTF they were thinking when they built that stupid waterfall thing next to their pool?

I'm hoping that maybe they were just really stoned and didnt know any better, or something cuz even a family of rapists/murderers couldnt be THAT screwed up to think its nice.

Parts of Peter's article:

He defends Patrick and chastises the reporters who have only quoted anonymous sources regarding Patrick's background, which Patrick has owned up to.  One point is that Patrick does not even need credibility because he does not testify to what Joran says. Joran speaks for himself.

...Is the past than perhaps important to the reliability of Van der Eem testing? That could play as Van der Eem only a declaration-of-hear-say to Joran van der Sloot had made. Then you surely want to know: this man speaks is the truth or lying, or maybe he is exaggerating? But yes, that is in this case is not at issue, now three cameras have recorded exactly what Joran himself has said. Al was Van der Eem cokesnuiver the largest of the western hemisphere, a swindler of the calibre of Lord Olivier, a fantasist larger than the Baron von Münchhausen or beruchtere brandkastenkraker than Aage M., then it is Joran which in itself says that Natalee his arms has died and that he then half the world that has voorgelogen....

....No, but give me Patrick Van der Eem, who just openly stands for what he has done in this case.

Hi Monkeys
posted an update on the St Charles (St Louis) protest in the tourism thread. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

Destiny

Call the KIA guy and ask him to stop by Joran's on the way home.  Have him tell them that the monkey's just want  to double check their source so that they don't look like Bondia and Renfro.  That should shake them up.

 :smt035  Caesu  :smt035

You Rawk!!!!

Panorama and Nieuwe Revu are pretty crappy BS magazines anyway.
but nice to read a new column from Peter R.

From what i ve seen and heard in the interview i think he has resigned as prosecuter and is now working for AHATA

587-2711

Ask for Dauree.

Fin

LMFAO  Oh that is a good one.   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Fin,
Love your avi.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyTongue::   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Well, we all know what MF stands for.      jack b

Well let's see....some say Netherlands in a mental institution, some say Germany on a holiday and some say Aruba...Where in the World is Joran  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks for posting this. It is a red herring to attack Patrick. Only Joran's statements matter.

I called the above number...no answer...no V-mail

I love it!  That is hilarious.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

http://www.docshop.com/cgi-opt/mma.cgi?prod_id=18&state_id=113  ::MonkeyCool::

KIA just now told me Joran is in Netherlands, but NOT in hospital/mental facility...if you want to call Ingrid there in the morning...011 297 584 6381 X102

In answer to your question as to what I think about monkey humor I say to you it is very, very good.  I like monkey humor. ::MonkeyHaHa::

What a HOOT!!! So...Frankensloot is getting a new face eh? LOL

Destiny - I really don't think they know.  Jossy says Joran was in Germany.  Bondia reported he was in a hospital in the NL.  Someone else says Aruba.  My bet is Joran is either in the NL or Germany.

What does KIA stand for?  Could it be Kissing 'is Arse.     j/b

I totally agree with you Klaasend....head can't tell it's ass from a hole in the ground...they are all dumber than dirt....wait, that's giving dirt a bad rap...I feel so sorry for the honest hard working Arubans getting screwed by cover-up keystone kops and crew....

In a mental institution anyway you look at it if your name is Yoran Van Der Sloot.. :smt120

I wonder what the purpose of reporting Joran in a mental hospital by Bon Dia?  Hmmmm. 

I don't know whether to cry or laugh at your post. But you are correct :( He did a complete 180 after saying the Father knows more and if they had that evidence in 2005 the boys would have never been released. Then when he met the Family he answered no questions and let them be interrogated for 5 hours about dealings in Colombia,Natalee being a druggy and so on..He then blamed Natalee's Family and the Media for harming the Investigation. I can't help but think that the JK2 arrest was all planned as everything he did and said turned out to be not true. Now it will take major evidence like Natalee's body with a head wound and with his shoe for them to be arrested again. Even then the OM and AHATA will swing it so Natalee does not get justice. It's all about there tourism and protecting the cover up and we have a long way to go yet.

They needed a tourist so they called Joran since he seems to pass himself off as one.  They think he is quite good at it.     

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Arnhem, where his granny Trudy lives, is almost right on the border with Germany.
actually i am glad he is in Germany if that's the case.

i am sure he will start to piss some Germans off sooner or later.
it was Joran who started that Hitler-BS or wasn't he?
Germans don't really appreciate nazi-jokes that much at all.

the more countries he is hated, the better.

Aruba seems to be recovering from their embarrassment of the video. Rudy Croes must have accepted a truckload of bribes from the drug lords to be willing to refuse to take any steps towards becoming a part of the solution. He is literally selling the clothes off of the backs of his countrymen and stealing the food from their tables for his own personal enrichment. I am amazed at how much crap Aruba feels they have to take from Rudy. Betico would not have taken all of this from him, but that is why he was killed. He had dreams for Aruba and its citizens, ethics, and integrity. It is probably a good thing he was killed because he would have only found disappointment in life if he had lived, at the hands of his son, Rudy.

He will be pretty safe in Germany I think as they havent given this case much thought that I have seen. He will go through his Marijuana withdrawls and I hope he gets nailed for sneaking it across the border. I wonder who is driving him and watching over him?

you think he might owe money to some really unsavory characters and is trying to throw them off his track?
dennisintn

PI,The Arubans know he is a clown they just can't do anything about it. This guy will make there lives miserable if they don't wind up dead. They are powerless to do anything in Aruba. He controls most everything and is probably the most powerful guy in Aruba.