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From Telegraaf.nl.....Strange the goal that Mr.Castro set himself with..Since this is a murder case you would think his goal would be to catch the killers!
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It would interview Thursday evening (local time) on integral TeleAruba be broadcast after a section already be seen on YouTube. "She dared not to be afraid that they would be sued," says Castro. According to him, the NOVA current affairs, and the program SBS6 The World Runs Through some interest shown. "My goal is to show that Van der Eem a questionable figure. He falls through the basket with what he said to me. "

The Public Prosecutor's Office (OM) on Aruba has now had contact with Castro. He has agreed that he will not release pictures that the investigation into the case could hamper Holloway. It also sends out who he is not Van der Eem mentioned as a culprit in the case.

Found this so far.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julian2.jpg)

http://www.one-happy-island.com/DaEngine.asp

Who is Jules D.
The only Jules D i know of is Jules Deelder a well know public figure in Holland. Always dresses in black and has the unofficial title of Night Mayor of Rotterdam. He is a writer poet tv personality etc.
I think this is a joke

Hi Everyone!

Has Jossy made any comment about the first part of the show?  If he has would someone direct me to it, please.  I've read some of the pieces of translations, I would really like to see a complete translation that is reliable.  Does one exist?  TIA

So we are supposed to believe Rick & Mashelle Zeola(IFA Members) took care of 10 year old Sebastian Van Der Sloot while Paul And Anita were in Holland? Or was big brother Joran watching him during that time?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he
had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

There are a couple of Juilians on Joran's Hi-5 site. I find no 'Jules' though. It does seem to me a very long time ago I was looking at someones site (can't remember if it was myspace or whatever) and I was checking out a firend of Joran's who had a guy named 'Jules' in some of his photos...but damn, it was so long ago and I can't remember who's site I saw the pix on...sorry.

Thanks Janet for bringing it over.

Here Paulus has the perfect opportunity to say that Sebastian was staying at their house, but he doesn't. This is a critical error in his defense of himself. imo

For some reason I thought the guy on the right in this photo is Jules

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/76129435_ce061f914f.jpg)

edit to add -

Here Paulus is picking up Sebastian, not going home where Sebastian is being dropped off.

That's the guy who was with him when he went to NY.

I translated most of it yesterday from the nieuwe revu transcription. There were some questions as to the accuracy of the papiementu to dutch translation i used to translate it into english. But it was said to day that the Revu translation was correct. So my translation is probably not far off. I posted it in 3 segments. Hope this helps

Yes San, same guy.

Critical error? The guy is seen on video 2 hours after he said he went home with Natalee at the BJ table. He couldn't even get the name of the tournament correct as he says it was a Carribean Stud Tournament while Joran says Texas No Hold EM. Joran says he placed 3rd in that tourney and played till around 22:00 but he is also seen on video with the MB girls at 20:14. They are caught in so many lies here its ridiculous and this was before Natalee dissapeared!

Why was Paul Van Der Sloot not sleeping in his own bedroom while Anita was away? Why did Deepak mention that in his statement? Why did they not search where Paul was staying when he was arrested for suspicion of Pre-Mediated Murder and Kidnapping?

Hi Monkeys....What's new in the news?  I've been away for a week...funeral of a dear friend...<sob>

Hi Annie, sorry to hear that. My condolences.

Nope....that is 'Jens' ...he also has a nickname I can't remember. Not Jules though.

Hi Rob - Thx.  I LOVE Family Guy and Stewie!!!  :~)   Any news since Persistence left?

*******, I think if Mr. Castro's goal would have been to catch the killer's, and this goal was known;  his show would have never been televised in Aruba.  I don't understand what the last bolded statement is intended to state.
 

Maybe i m wrong but i think Jules D. and the location Rotterdam
refers to this guy

(http://i29.tinypic.com/api6na.jpg)

public figure, writer, poet, tv personality, he even looks like a tango dancer LOL
Night Mayor of Rotterdam dressses in black always
Jules Deelder

I think it's a joke

thanks JE!  I believe this is some of what I've read, I was looking for more since there were doubts about the translations.  I didn't know about today's comments.  I appreciate your help!

Kind of strange that the Van Der Sloots,Muzzelhoffers,Renho,Charles Croes,Purcells,Zeolas and others are all in this IFA club.
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Since Paul Van Der Sloot says he picked up Sebastian at the Zeolas..Maybee we should ask them if that is correct?

(Mashelle Zeola)president@ifaruba.com <president@ifaruba.com>
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Perhaps someone should write Marlene Purcell and ask her why her Husband has been such a dirt bag when it comes to a missing girl?
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4042/marlenepurcellmn5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(Marlene Purcell) membership@ifaruba.com <membership@ifaruba.com>
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JE close up of the boots from March of 05

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/joranshoes.jpg)

opps, forgot the original

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/californialighthousepics1/ccjoran.jpg)

A Rick Zeola is the general manager of the Aruba Marriott according to this:

http://www.discountclub-aruba.com/index.asp?id=120

In the bolded part above,Paulus is talking about monday night right?So this family was watching Sebastian 2 days?Doesn't Paulus mention this family's name twice?

MMM... wonder if he still has them

Wow!  Is she going to eat all that by herself? 

http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005/12/joran-back-in-aruba-joran-van-der.html#113571470922915377

Anonymous said...
Het wordt tijd dat iemand de stop uit dat achterlijke land trekt. Die tien "slimme" amerikanen vinden wel een boot en blijven leven. De rest denkt dat het erbij hoort en verzuipt met dat achterlijke land.
(aldus Jules Deelder)

3:18 PM   

roflmfao, are you sure he's not talking about aruba steve?
dennisintn

Anonymous said ...
It is time to stop someone from that backward country attracts. These ten "smart" amerikanen find a boat and continue to live. The rest think that it included in verzuipt with that backward country.
(Says Jules Deelder)

To me they look like sneakers that are dirty.  I'm looking at the soles they way they go in like a sneaker does.

Me, too, San.  Laces on the front and no heel. 

It s about time that someone pulls the plug (plug as in the one in a sink) out of that stupid country. The 10 smart americans will find a boat and survive. The rest will think that it's the way things are supposed to happen and will drown along with that backward country

Exactly Anna.

It looks like she could  ::MonkeyHaHa::

thanks JE!

when they are together, they have to stay in the middle of the island to keep it from tilting over and capsizing.
dennisintn

(http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/images/profiles/01733_130.jpg)(http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/images/profiles/01716_179.jpg)

Look at the arch in these two sneakers.  They look like the arch on the ones Joran is wearing.  Also look at the tip and back heel how they are dirty.  Sneakers do that.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Sneakers.jpg)

What I am wondering is if this is really a picture from the night he met Natalee.

We thought it was originally but then it was retracted by Jossy because they said he had boots on.

I adhere to the theory if Natalee Holloway was taken out to sea it did not happen until the first week of June, 2005 and ... the location was not in the search area of the Persistence.  IMO.

However ... the images that reveal the contents of trap/cage ... which were received by the ROV ... do concern me.  Tim Miller was convinced that there was much more than fabric inside that cage and ... I am convinced that there is much more than fabric inside that cage.  Yet ... fabic was all the evidence which was accumulated and sent away to the FBI for forensic testing.

The involvement of Hans Mos ... Aruban authorities and ... the Aruban dive team makes this wannabe detective very suspicious.

I realize that there was a Persistence diver who went along with the Aruban dive team in the investigation of the trap/cage.  Who is Tim Trahan?  Is he an American?

I still cannot get past the fact that this huge sacrificial undertaking by the crew of the Persistence to locate the remains of Natalee Holloway was not conducted independent from those in the Aruban Law Enforcement and the Prosecutor's Office ... independent from those who I believe with all my heart are behind the coverup that has been preventing justice from prevailing for almost three years and ... have put a family through a H--- on Earth.

Janet

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LINK: IMAGES OF TRAP/CAGE AND CONTENTS LOCATED BY THE PERSISTANCE

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.480


The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, willgo anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.
TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

<snipped>

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.
 
Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

Chris Hansen: So, you're thinking-- you're thinking at this point--
Tim Miller: I’m thinking at this point, "Oh, my God, maybe we've got something. Maybe we've got something."

Could they have found her? Or was hope, perhaps, making them see what they wanted to see?

(on the boat)

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

Tim Miller couldn't help but think that the date they first saw that  Trap -- Christmas Eve -- was a sign that maybe they were on to something  (on the boat)

Tim Miller: Maybe that was some of God's timing. I hope maybe Beth and Dave can have what they have been looking for two and half years.

Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.

Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?

Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."  

Chris Hansen: "We found her?"
 
Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta -- that -- that's it."  

Chris Hansen: Did you think that was it?

Dave Holloway: I did.

And the Holloways weren't alone. The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

The Aruban authorities agreed the find looked promising. And finally, divers from the Persistence and the Aruban police set out to get an up-close look.
 
Tim Miller: Everything was going right. That morning there was actually a double rainbow when we got started.
 
Chris Hansen: A double rainbow. Not just one rainbow.
Another sign from above? A school of dolphins followed the Persistence as it sailed out to the target.

Tim Miller: I know I looked at somebody on the boat, and I said, "The-- the dolphins are going with us to go ahead and get Natalee."

(On the boat)

Tim Miller: We are at the spot. Ready to go down . .it is now only a matter of minutes before we know.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/
 

On Dec. 30, off the coast of Aruba, divers from the Aruban police force and the research vessel Persistence were about to make a crucial dive on a promising target in the search for Natalee Holloway.

The researchers had discovered a fish trap about 90 feet below the surface in almost the exact spot search expert Tim Miller had theorized Natalee’s body might be.
 
Team leader Tim Trahan suited up to join the Aruban police divers. As Tim Miller wished him well, the divers hit the water and the ROV was sent down to capture what would happen for everyone watching on board.

(On the boat)

Brandon: We have visual on divers and target.

Slowly the divers worked their way down to the trap. They had been instructed to give a thumbs up or thumbs down.  The atmosphere in the survey room was tense, and nerves were raw as Miller, the Aruban authorities and the crew of the Persistence waited for word of what exactly was in the trap. The divers approached the target and signaled above. And then...

(On the boat) No it's thumbs down. Negative, not it.

Crushing disappointment.

(On the boat) Tim Miller: Divers coming up right now. I don't know it looked as promising today as it did last night or before.

Miller: Nothing?

Trahan: No.

Chris Hansen: That had to be a crushing blow.

Tim Miller: It was a crushing blow.
 
Now Tim Miller had to deliver that same crushing blow to Natalee’s parents.

Chris Hansen: How hard is it for you to dial their numbers and tell them that this in fact is not the break in the case we-- we hoped for?

Tim Miller: Probably one of the hardest calls I ever made. Probably one of the hardest … probably should have never made the first one. But everything looked right at the time.
 
Natalee’s father was at home in Mississippi when the call came.

Chris Hansen: What was it like for you to, once again, have a setback?
 
Dave Holloway: That's probably about the time that-- the chest pains intensified to an extreme. I mean, how many times can I take this?

Beth Holloway: You know, it's a disappointment. But, you have to look at the magnitude and the sacrifices being made even to get to that point.

Chris Hansen: You didn't know these folks before this happened. What do they represent to you now?

Dave Holloway: They represent heroes to me.
 
To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI.

<snipped

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Tim Miller
On the Record w/ Greta
February 27, 2008

Greta: Tim are they absolutely certain that this is not a piece of clothing belonging to Natalee Holloway?

MILLER: The report we got is the DNA that came back did not match Natalee's DNA and when we located that it looked like more than just a piece of cloth and I mean we, we felt as though we seen a skull in there. We got the Aruba authorities involved, they felt there was something in there, we dove on it and the thing is that's only 1 of over 170 targets out there we still have to investigate, so we've got a lot of work ahead of us.


Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba
To All media
From The Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 26, 2008
Pages 1

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match

I've been thinking the same thing San.

I was waiting for someone to say something interesting and you did, so I replied LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

last part says:

"The OM has been in contact with Castro. They agreed that Castro will not broadcast footage which could frustrate the investigation. Castro also agreed not to broadcast the name of the offender."

(offender = the person who dumped natalee in the ocean).

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

The photo of Joran up on the stage was shown to some of the MB kids for confirmation of ID later and they told them it was an old photo from when he was previously at C&C.

You may recall this by remembering that the MB girl upon looking at the photos commented that he was wearing the same shirt.

So that would lead us to believe that it is from a previous time to the night Natalee disappeared, the fact they already had this photo to show the MB kids.

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Could the reason Castro agreed not to broadcast the name of the offender is because Patrick never gave one?

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Anna, who showed the picture to the MB kids?  They would have had to have been in the U.S. because most of them left the next morning.  Could it possibly have been a picture taken from one of their camera's?  Didn't someone collect all their cameras?

Geez I have a lot of questions. ::MonkeyConfused::

If this is true then maybe Mos really does care and is really trying to get the case together for prosecution.....maybe...hmmmm...but... I don't see how the name of the offender will not leak out.  ::MonkeyWink::

Janet I agree with you and I started a thread on the white/PU landill..etc..Way too many coincidences with multiple witnesses..MO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2671.msg360869#msg360869

Not only that it was in the Webshot site of Judy who was in Aruba in March 2005 (uploaded to webshots in April 2005) and called Joran "Stage Boy".  She took down the "stage" photo but left this one:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1331241519060086334vIwjuh

I think Linda Allison collected the cameras.

Thanks Caesu!

Someone in the MSM showed them the photo having taken it from Webshots I believe.  Was not on any of the MB cameras.  Also don't think anyone actually "collected" the cameras, just ask to share any pertinent photos, etc. 

You can't take cameras without a search warrant and I am pretty sure not all the kids would be willing to just hand theirs over.  Am also sure they would share any photos they had with the family voluntarily without their cameras being confiscated.

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I thought they saw the pic on Carlos and Charley's web site and commented that he had on the same clothes.

Could be but I always thought they looked like one of the Timberland models.  For instance:

http://www.timberland.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2475637&cp=1779791.1761081.1761135&view=all&pageDisplay=superfamily%2Cfilter&pageType=family&int_nextBucket=0&totalProductsCount=55&pageCount=3&pageBucket=0&pageNum=1&int_prevBucket=-1&page_bucket=0&page=2&showSizeSearch=true&hasPagination=false&parentPage=family

I think he used to wear those blue & white plaid shirts a lot....I hope he had more than one! LOL!

Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway on May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying with classmates who had traveled to Aruba to celebrate their high school graduation.

Holly Brown, a friend who accompanied Holloway to Aruba and was at Carlos 'N Charlie's the night she disappeared, said she found Van Der Sloot to be "very different."

"We noticed he was in the casino all by himself," she told CNN in Alabama. "He lied about his age, and when we went on the (Carlos 'N Charlie's) Web site, we found pictures of him there one week before at the same place, wearing the same clothes."

I think originally at CNN but found here:

http://forum.signonsandiego.com/upload/showthread.php?t=46277&page=5

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Quote from: Nut44x4 on Today at 08:46:25 AM
Purple Roses at BFN posted:

Poentje Castro

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin



Quote from: vms on Today at 09:46:32 AM
Poentje's Interests

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Television Larry King (exluding the Nathalie Halloway show)

 http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida 

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Today at 09:53:25 AM  by Bearlyhere

Which contradicts his General interest which is:  In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

I smell a hypocrite.
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My point in this cut and past mission is this:

How can I believe the first word out of the mouth of someone with an admitted bias against the case?
     
 

Notice the line on the outside of the left shoe, its angled exactly like the kswiss shoes:

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2u6eopc.jpg)

List of all political party's and party members before the elections in Aruba in 2005

http://www.arubahuis.nl/documents/noticiero/2005aug-sept.pdf

It wasn't webshots, it was one of the Aruba sites. That is the photo Jossy held up on television and said it was from the night Natalee went missing and was showing Joran was wearing boots and not sneakers. Jossy had to later retract it.

Klaas

If you can, could you please change the last word in my post above from cae to case.

I was in the middle of that cut and paste mission from hell when my computer started breathing heavy and I knew it was going to lock up any second.

I went into panic mode and revived the computer, I did not dump it in the ocean.

I am not up to this page yet and can't wait to see why Joran's feet are on fire.  Is he in hell, or just his feet?

It may have been CoolAruba or Cnc but Judy did have a picture of Joran on stage but took it down later.  it may not have been that same one though.  In any case, that picture of Joran at CnC was not when Natalee was in Aruba.

BH...Joraaan is in Living Hell on Earth! Truly He Is!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Exactly, it was taken in March. I remember it so well because it was posted here and there was major confusion then about when it was taken. The next night Jossy was showing it on TV.  :shock: :lol:

vms ... you are correct.  Jossy identified the above picture as being taken at Carlos 'N Charlies on the morning of May 30, 2005.  However ... it was revealed that Jossy was mistaken ...

Janet

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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/ng.01.html
 
MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes. But I want to show you a picture, if I can.

GRACE: OK. OK.

MANSUR: And I will hold it to my chest.

GRACE: Before we lose the -- hold on. OK, go ahead.

MANSUR: Look at Joran`s shoes here in this photo.

GRACE: OK. Zoom in, Liz.

MANSUR: Do those look to you like blue or white or tennis-type shoes?

GRACE: No.

MANSUR: They look like boots, no?

GRACE: They look like boots. They look like work boots.

MANSUR: Brown boots. OK.

GRACE: Now, wait a minute...

MANSUR: He was wearing those at...

GRACE: Was that what he was wearing the night Natalee went missing?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am. This is the photo -- this is a photo taken at Carlos and Charlie`s that night with other photos that we have.

You see, when all this became so complicated about the shoes, we went back in our files and we started to look at all of the pictures that we have. And we find some very interesting one, including this one that shows what he was wearing that night.

GRACE: Uh-oh, the Bruno Maglis of the Holloway case.

Everybody, with me is Jossy Mansur. Let`s see if we can zoom back in on that. Jossy, I didn`t realize at first what you were showing me.

What you`re seeing, according to Jossy with "Diario," is a photo from the night Natalee went missing and all this business about his blue and white K-Swiss size 14s is B.S. That`s a technical legal term, because here are his feet, unless Mansur has somehow Photo Shopped another foot on him.

You know, so, Jossy, have you handed this over to police?

MANSUR: Yes, we have. We did so today. We hand everything over to the police ....

Thanks Klaas.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

right now I am on a lap top and try not to use it on here.  It totally bugs me.  Anyway I have reason to believe those shoes are the actual shoes used in the slaying of NH.  The light you are seeing is showing blood showing up in certain lights even when they have been This pic was supposed to be at a different time and date, but it has been pasted by the perp to mock.  I believe the shoes are real.  The clothes may have been used that night and washed, but Freddy said at one time he came home and changed shirts.  Jorn wants to get caught or someone does, is why he or the K2 are using these pictures to mock.  They are evil.  I have analyzed these shoes and the markings under the right light are consistent with a certain wound (s) on her head.  Jack b

What is the game?

The game in Aruba is taking advantage of the tourist…in many different ways.  The game is ‘kidnapping’ them by selling them drugs and then whisking them off to a choller house and ‘borrowing’ their cash, credit and debit cards until the money runs out.  They are not the guilty ones…afterall, the tourists want the drugs and went ‘voluntarily’.  Right??  If the tourist complains…Van Der Straten and company are there to help convince the tourist that nothing bad really happened.  All tourists come to Aruba for the sun, fun, drugs and drink. Sometimes they just go a little overboard.

Another part of the game is drugging a tourist girl on her last night on the island and having their way with her.  Boys will be boys.  Many of these young women are left in many places around the island after the fun is over.  If she remembers anything and wants to press charges she will have to wait until Van Der Straten and company have time to ‘investigate’ and would then miss her flight out.  No problem.  All tourist girls come to Aruba to exercise their sexual prowess.  Right??  They want this to happen to them and they were willing participants.  Right??

If ‘something bad’ does happen, the game moves into high gear.  Everyone on the island knows this and the regular visitors, many of them gamblers, know as well.  The rule in Aruba is never let the rest of the world believe anything bad happens on One Happy Island.  When the game moves into high gear everyone helps out.  The bodies are never found.  Max DeVries, Bud Larson, Gary Makings, Natalee Holloway.  Everyone ‘helped’ by searching and reporting ‘sightings’, but none of these people have been found.  They ran away.  Right??  Or, if the families refuse to believe that, well…those families are engaged in an elaborate insurance scam.  Right??

So…if you were to think like Joran, heaven forbid, and knew the best thing to do when ‘something bad’ happens while playing the game who would you call??????

I think you have it down pretty pat.  :smt076

#1 -  I would call my dad, then my dad would call Van der Stratten

Ding! Ding!

And when one family refuses the play who begins to take notice?  Who takes notice and also has the wherewithall to protect Van Der Straten?

jossey was not mistaken.  The shoes most likely are the same ones worn.  Not the arm coming out of the boy whose arem is being held up over his head.  Joran and/or the perps are screwing with the photos.  The girl in front of Joran, if she stood up would be as tall as Jorn.  The picture when inversed shows a whole different photo besides the coloring when proper lighting is applied.  Some of the inverse shows the right colors, some of the not inverse shows the right colors.  They are using layers and mocking with some really bad things, but making most of it just out of reach.  Some of it is in reach.  I have worked on this for almost 3 years and since the pictures started coming on the I-net where some of them were just not right or had no reason to be taken.  It got me analyzing them minutely.    Jack

Oduber
Karen Janssen
AHATA
ATA

Rudy Croes--> the Governor General - Fredis J. Refunjol --> The Royals of the Netherlands.

What kind of security business do Mos and Paulus have to talk about?

Yep, them too

I may have missed a post but I don't know why you are asking this question?  Was it reported that Mos wanted to talk to Paulus about security? 

That's the chain.

The way I see it, Holland knows about 'the game' and have always looked the other way.  The cover up is not for Joran or even Paulus.  The cover up is for those who knew and did nothing.

Take Deepak's car, for instance.  Who knows if that car went to Holland/the Hague to determine if there were any clues that could solve this case?  If there was one taken, was it Deepak's?  We never heard anything other than the "chocolate stains and cleaning fluid" report.  Did we ever hear that any evidence was found that Natalee was ever in 'that' car?  A hair, an eyelash, a fingerprint?  No, we did not.  Well it would be pretty strange not to find something like that if she had been in 'that' car.  The Hague forensic team has to know that.  So how could that be explained?  It can't. 

If you were running things in Holland wouldn't you start asking questions?  What if you allow or strongly encourage a real investigation into Natalee's disappearance that told the whole story?  Then you would have to open up new investigations into the other missing people?  That would be bad not only for Aruba...but for the Netherlands as well since the Governor General is appointed by the Royal House and just may have been 'looking the other way' for a long time.  Those playing the game would never take the blame all alone.

I have thought that Daury is a parent because of the words Joran uses.  Could those words also be from a lover?

I'm sorry Klaas, Ithe cage was quiet so I went looking for a post that has been bothering me all day.  I read it again to make sure.

Going on another cut and paste mission to the last thread.

Klaas ... maybe the following words of Joran is what Bearlyhere is referring to.  I believe that Joran may have been referring to security for him because of the Peter Devries' video recording.

Janet

+++++++++++++

Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

<snipped>

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all. I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now. I don't know what the OM is thinking. I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

Question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?

Joran: I don't know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it's only about security.

Question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

<snipped>


AMIGOE
February 9, 2008

<snipped>

“The cameras were all around his house”, informed district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “He had to take on a lawyer for the contact with us.”

If necessary, the OM will also protect the suspect Joran van der Sloot

<snipped>

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
9:00 PM

Truthseeker,
I agree and it is the Game that is being protected, not any one particular spawn or even his father.

Going to go watch the snow before snoozing!

G'nite, all!

.

We have about 3 inches on the ground here.  It's beautiful!!!

G'nite!

Goodnight Janet and Truth!  ::MonkeyWink::

Just started good here but am at higher elevation so they are saying I may get as much as five inches!  Exciting for us, isn't it!

Enjoy as Ole Sol will get it before we know what has happened!

Nite, all.

Relevance: 44.8%
Considering that Joran van der Sloot just found out he was caught on tape .... why is he not outraged ... why is he upholding Patrick van der Eem and Peter Devries.

Also ... Joran foretells that he will not be touched by authorities ... his lies will be verified ... his lies will save him.

Something is not right ... especially when you consider Joran's anger issues. 

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

Question: How did this all happen, with this so called confession.

Joran: Yes, I did say something to someone I should not have said, it's a story to someone I have know for a while.

Question: How long have you known him?

Joran: about 6 months.

Question:  What did you tell him:

Joran:  Yes, well everyone will see it this Sunday, ha ha ha , but I can easily proof that what I said is not true, it's a whole lot about nothing, and it's kinda sad that they brought the mother over here and that they told her, but we'll see it all.

Question: Is it now not right to say right now what you said, and why it is that what you said is not true.

Joran: I talked to my parents and my lawyer and they told me how it is, and they said also , just don't say anything.

Question: The news said tonight that it's about the news that after you made out with Natalee that you , that she got sick, and became lifeless, and that you called a friend and he came with a boat and that you went on the boat with her and that you threw her in the water , you glide her in the water.

Joran, Yes, that's what I said.

Question: Is that not very dumb of you to say that?

Joran: Yes it is very dumb, but what I'm trying to say is that I have build up a relationship with someone for 6 months, and yes, that person, it's very difficult to explain, but that person did very brave (?), and I told him what he wanted to hear.

Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him,

Question: but then, Joran it is unbelievable dumb to just say this, if it's not true.

Joran: It's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's so dumb, it's really dumb.

Question: Do you think you will be arrested again?

JJoran:  No, I don't think so. Maybe it could be, they have arrested me before for less than this, but I have been tricked.

Question: Have you talked more to this friend who got this story from you?

Joran: I just had a conversation with him, for about 20 minutes.

Question: and did you (uitgekafferd) **** (lol) on him?

Joran: No, I still talk with him normal.

Question: But he betrayed you, or not?

Joran: Yes, but he does not want to talk, he says, what is coming is coming on sunday.

Question: but we've heard that he received money from peter van de vries, to get a confession from you.

Joran: Yes, I don't know, I think he has more than enough money himself, but, we'll see.

Question: what kind of boy is he?

Joran: You see, I don't know what they are going to show this sunday, but this is a boy, he's an older man, I met him, and we've met a lot, I found him to be fascinating, I was very interested in him, and I, ha ha ha, just told him what he wanted to hear,

Question: but how did you not know then that he was not honest, that you told him just what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Yes well, he did a lot of thing you should not do, things that I would never do myself, some of these things he did do,

Question: example?

Joran: I don't want to give an example, I don't want to talk someone down, but it now shows that he used me. (loose translation)

Question: yes with a hidden microphone and a hidden camera, you never noticed that, it would seem.

Joran: These days these things are so little, but it's just been unbelievable dumb, really really, not normal dumb, and I hope that will become more peaceful because it seems that all hell is breaking loose.

Question: Have you had contact with the boy that might have moved the body of Natalee?

Joran: Yes, no, that's just a boy I met on Aruba, just now, when I was there,

Question: Did you speak to him?

Joran: But now I just met him.

Question: Does the police have contact with this boy now?

Joran: Yes, well I don't know, I don't know it all. I have talked to my parents and my lawyer, and I just don't know what's happening now. I don't know what the OM is thinking. I think they are going to investigate it all, and it will show that it is not that way.

Question: you have contact with your dad, does your dad have contact with the OM?

Joran: I don't know, I think he had a conversation with Mr. Mos, but it's only about security.
Question: Oh so it was not about an new investigation?

Joran: No

Question: Because, Mr Mos has said, this is the missing part, your confession.

Joran: Yes, it's very (vervelend) nasty but what I said was not true, and they can found out if it's true or not.

Question: So you did not go with Natalee in a boat into the water and put her in the water?

Joran: No of course not.

Question: That did not happen for sure?

Joran: No,

Question: And how can we find out that that is not true, as you say?

Joran: Yes, I don't know, it has to do with that person, that after two and a half years with that person, that's not possible.  (Joran talks in half sentences here) No, I, it's just been very stupid.

Question: do you blame de Vries?

Joran : NO, he does his job, I think that sunday night will bring very good tv night , but it's too bad that with this there are a lot of feelings for a lot of people involved here, and they will be hurt, and that's not a good tv program, but that's the way it is.

Question: Joran, but now for all the people that are now thinking, Joran vd Sloot has lied from the beginning , and we talked around this table with Peter de Vries, and now it seems like again he lied again to someone else, why should we believe Joran vd Sloot?

Joran: Yes, I ask myself the same thing, there is no reason to believe me.

Question: are you going to watch sunday evening?

Joran: I think I will watch sunday evening, I

Question: will you consider to come to our program the next day to give your reaction?

Joran: I don't know, I think for myself I don't want to react, I'm pretty sober about it, but we'll see.

We'll call on monday again.
Thank you very much.

Translation - Marco@RU

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Joran Van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman
(Phone Interview/Grandma's house)
February 4, 2008

 

Bearly - I think they are referring to security for Joran because he was getting death threats.

O/T but........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336076,00.html

Police Find Woman's Body on Ice in California Hotel Room
Friday , March 07, 2008
 
NEWPORT BEACH, CA -

Police discovered the body of a woman packed in a large container with dry ice in a hotel room as they were serving a search warrant in a cocaine investigation, authorities said Friday.

Detectives found the fully clothed and "well preserved" body late Thursday after arresting a guest at the Fairmont Newport Beach for investigation of selling and possessing cocaine on the hotel grounds, police Sgt. Evan Sailor said.

When they searched Stephen David Royds' room, they found the body inside a Rubbermaid container filled with dry ice, he said.

"It's definitely weird," Sailor said.

An autopsy of the body was "inconclusive" because there was no sign of trauma and her death did not appear to be a homicide, said Dan Akin, an Orange County supervising deputy coroner.

Investigators were trying to identify the woman, who appeared to be in her 20s or 30s, as they awaited results from a blood toxicology test. It wasn't clear how long she had been dead, Sailor said.

Police were also investigating whether Royds was involved in the death. He was held on $30,000 bail.

Royds, 46, told police he was a resident of Newport Beach, but there was no telephone listing for him. A receptionist at the hotel, a posh complex surrounded by palms, referred inquiries to company spokeswoman Michelle Heston.

"We are working alongside and assisting the Newport Beach police in this investigation but right now it's in their hands ... this is a police matter," Heston said in a telephone interview.

I was going to ask you but I didn't want to impose.  :oops:

I knew you could find it in a nanosecond.
                ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::

i didn't know if you all have seen this.  i've not seen it before!

 http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3962566

Description:  Clip we shot in (oh so dangerous) Aruba (Right Natalee?!)

Nite Janet.

Nite Anna!

Yes, it may be a joke but I wanted to check it out and this guy gives me the heebie jeebies....I thought I was going to jump out of my skin before his webpage finished loading....

http://www.deelder.com/ (http://www.deelder.com/) WARNING: Shocking ::MonkeyEek::
When the page is loaded, click on "Deedler Shop" then click on "Music".  The CD titled Deelder Draait, notice the title of the third track down

"Red Holloway Sextet-Monkey Sho Can Talk"  ::MonkeyEek::

This is some other information I found:

http://www.allbiographies.com/classify-JulesDeelder-42686.html

name: Deelder, Jules 

pronunciation: [daylder]

sex:  male
 
lived:  (1944– )

biography:  Performer, poet, and novelist, born in Rotterdam, W Netherlands. Central themes in his work are his love for jazz music, Sparta football club, and his fascination for both world wars. In his home town of Rotterdam, he is called the ‘Night Mayor of Rotterdam’ by way of an honorary title. Typical of his performances is the speed and rhythm with which he recites, a style also reflected in his writing.

search classifications for: Deelder, Jules
Entertainments - circus, show, puppets - and entertainers - comedians, song & dance, magicians, conjurors, performers, showmen, performance artists, escapologists, clowns

Poets (do later breakdown: classical, 20th, etc)

Novelists in general

Netherlands, Aruba, Netherlands Antilles

major works for: Deelder, Jules
1969 Gloria Satoria

1978 Modern passé

1992 Jazz

1994 Geheid Deelder


Copied this but failed to copy the link:
Hollands second favorite junkie, 1st class poet and excellent old school jazz DJ.

My gut says more like a friend of PVDS.  And something in my head kept saying "folllowwwww the muuussssicccccc"
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Klaas.  Joran must have better security than Aruba.

Yes, I do remember seeing this one a long time ago but had forgotten all about it:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/FHTRAPVID1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/FHTRAPVID2.jpg)

Dave was in BFN chat tonight..Didn't really see anything new that we didn't know..He just confirmed my question that Joran was picked up by the Bus stop in Savaneta by Lorenzo's house the day after Natalee dissapeared. He added that PVDS said he dropped him off there.

TM... This is Weird...I hope one of Our Dutch posters can somehow listen to it and tell Us what it says.... ::MonkeyShocked::

Sometimes I wonder if Dave hasn't been given a bunch of false information.  How can we believe anything out of Aruba?

Your right! Tonight a birdy was in the chat room saying Hans Mos called and emailed her saying Lorenzo and Daury were not involved!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: I laughed harder at that then I did last night at the No Frosted Flakes No work from Jacobs..  ::MonkeyWink:: Amazing what lenghths people will go to tell mis-information! Just breaks my heart seeing people do that to Dave  :(

They give us so much material to work with!

       :compress: :compress: :compress: :compress: :compress: :compress:

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

So, why do the shoes appear to be orange?

Then I remembered my time spent on a clay tennis court. Leaves the shoes with clay dust.

I used Google Earth but could not find a clay court at the RC. But around the green ones there is a rectangular ring of - clay.

Odd. I have never seen a court surrounded by clay before.

That would explain why the tennis shoes look like boots. The clay colour.

Fin

All I can say about the boots/shoes he is wearing on stage is they do not look very big. Certainly not a size 14!IMO

I see there is a few Van Der Sloots here in the U.S. Most notably Michigan..I wonder if they have any relation to the Van Der Sloots involved in this case?

http://www.linkedin.com/find/v/v166.html

ROFLMAO!!!!!!  depends time for Destiny...snort...LOL...

San....the photo of the *comparison* sneakers is the one I've been looking for...Thank You!!!...running off to view Robin photos again....Thanks again San!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My inlaws went on a European trip several months ago and she just told me recently that their trip guide was a lady with the last name Vandersloot.  I think it is a fairly common name over there.   I wouldn't think here in the states.  I did notice when looking on the genealogy pages that there were some that had been born in Holland and died in Michigan.

Here's one that I found on publicdata.com California courts
Name
VAN DER SLOOT,PAUL G  Docket Number
1-556352 Citation Number
236626  Bail Amount
0.00 
Bail - PC Amount
 First Violation
VC0022350 Violation Count
01 F
9
Case Disposition
 Conviction Date
Aug 28 1989
 ::MonkeyWink::

Castro got *threatened* alright...but NOT by Patrick.....IMOHO

You found the missing link.  This is the home of Frosted Flakes.

It's just that there is a obvious Anti-Natalee connection to this case in Michigan and has been since the beginning...But you are right there are lot's of Van Der Sloots in Holland and elsewhere in europe..Hard to say for sure which one may be his brother..Ko teaches at Pauls alma matter while I think a couple of others resemble him..They are being protected for a reason and something fishy is going on with the Mother country and there Investigation.IMO

Maybe one of these is who Paulus goes to visit in Florida
 
  Name
 Birth Date Source
VANDERSLOOT,ANNE  Nov 26 1968 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,BARBARA ANN  May 1 1953 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,BARBARA ANN  May 1 1953 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,HARLAN G  May 28 1946 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,JAMES ALAN  May 20 1964 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,MARY ELLEN  May 20 1952 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,MARY P  Nov 22 1913 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,MILDRED  Jan 7 1940 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,MILDRED  Jan 7 1940 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,MILDRED  Jan 7 1940 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,PETER W  Sep 11 1947 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,RUTH J  Apr 12 1915 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,VICKI R  Jun 29 1958 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,WENDY LYNN  Nov 6 1951 Florida Driver
VANDERSLOOT,WENDY LYNN  Nov 6 1951 Florida Driver
 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Pretty close to it actually,the headquarters is in Battle Creek  ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Destiny:

You sneak in and out of here on little cat feet and I never get to say hi or bye to you.

I'm making up for lost time:
 :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver: :2waver:

I am unofficially making this catwoman:

                :batman:

(It says batman but one thing this cage has taught me, you can't believe everything you read!)

Thats another mystery..Why he would take off and go to Florida while he and his son are being suspected of Murder and Kidnapping?Paul making that trip to take his son out of college is not very believable.IMO

There must be a lot of people getting stuck in ditches over there!

It seems odd that I have gone through my life without knowing one VDS until this case.  And what appropriate initials.  VD S.

Thank You Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...and You *******, for posting this...I wubs it when the dominoes fall in the right direction...

*******..Would You mind telling Me what the anti-Natalee connection in Michigan means.... ::MonkeyConfused::

You're right, Fin.  The "brand new" of the KSwiss is a red herring.  The whole shoe think is to make you look in another direction, imo. 

I wonder what they are all looking at and taking pictures of.

Sure...Several Anti-Natalee people come from that state..One of the most evil of all comes from that state and has been involved since the beginning,you also have others like SandraK and even someone connected to FOB2 a private website filled with all Anti-Natalee people and the dis-information team. Also the home state of Mr.Pink who's phone records were subponad in this case.

Klaas..What can you tell us about Gretakelmal(JohnM)?  ::MonkeyWink::

Oh Bearly...You are sooooooooo Sweet...garsh darn...you warm my heart....yep....I tend to stay logged in on a tab...ever since the big melt down in here...I don't take chances on getting booted out...if that is a big no-no for the cage...someone needs to let me know....

That they (he) is very persistent.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: That they post from Michigan and started posting as JohnM.  I do know a bit more but it wouldn't be right to post in an open forum.  Let's just say the name he goes by isn't Sloot  ::MonkeyWink::

If he wants to make it big, the little kid stuff has to go, for one.

Mommy, mommy Patrick said the same thing that happened to Natalee could happen to me.

This guy is 44 years old but needs to grow up, zorpia page, tattle tail, and obvious bias against Natalee and the Holloways, enough to put it on his zorpia site.  The media is supposed to be unbiased in their opinions.  He should go to school to learn about good reporting. 

Maybe he had potty training issues along the way.  (Oh boy, do I wish I had photoshop).

Good night Klaas!

Yes, I know.  Maybe they have an in with Tony the Tiger and get freebies.  The police station appears to get an awful lot of them judging by Jacobs.

    ::MonkeyCool::

WOW, I have a lot of reading to do.  ::MonkeyConfused::

hi, ya!!

d

Nite, Klaas and thanks.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi, love your new name.

Thanks ******* and Klaas for the Answers!

I wouldn't blame him for dropping that name.  Does he go by the name John or Joanne?

                                           ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Goodnight Klaas!

YW! And don't forget about Mr.Pink who's cell phone records were subpoenad from the FBI! He may have nothing to do with anything but there are several things suspicious about him and he also hails from Michigan..Some say Posner also,but I have yet to see that link...

Bearlyhere, do you have a link for this?

Hi PB!

Piggy backing on Bearly....Nite Klaas ;-)

A lot of unexplained hatred comes from jealousy, imo.

For example there are bumper stickers that say:
Proud parent of a High School Honor Student.

Then other ones:
My high school student can beat up your high school honor student.

Why?

It makes the second parent sound like they are not proud of their kid.  Isn't there something noteworthy that your child can do?  What is the big focus on berating the other guy, one you know nothing about? 

Picked the first example that popped into my head, but you get the picture.

Hi Sis!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Night TM!

Got It BH!  ::MonkeyWink::

thanks... ::MonkeyHaHa::

d

Hi, D

d  ::MonkeyHaHa::

His potty training?  What in particular or all of it?

http://www.zorpia.com/onedayin

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Nite PC!

Dang...Klaas has gone to bed...we could redecorate the whole cage...new banana curtains...big banana throw pillows...new trees...the works!

Thanks, *******, saved me from another cut and paste.

            :smt024

Sounds Like Fun!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yep...it do...O/T...I went out day before yesterday and bought a small bottle of Absente....just to see if I could get my mind in the *set* of the idiots who sit around slurping it on Aruba....now, after reading the label, I find that in order to make the *perfect* absente drink with it, I have to have the official absente *spoon* to put the suger cube in...dammit...guess I'll just pour it over my frosted flakes....

they probably do that too Destiny!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for the link *******!  ::MonkeyCool::

What an idiot!  For someone who professes on his homepage to be ever so enlightened...he sure is dense...also out of his whole *4* comments on his site...this is the only one that caught my eye...LOL

Hello Dear,
How are you today?
I guess it is well if so thanks be to God almighty.I am Miss Deborah from Sierraleonian,but presently in senegal,I am seeking for life partner and Foreign Beneficary ,if you are interested reply me.My Email deborah_abey@yahoo.ca
i wait to hear from you soon.
Regards,
Ms Deborah

So if We don't see You in the Morning it just means You're a Little Frosted and Flakey...LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

OMG! This is Hilarious! Destiny I might have to get some of those depends also...LMAO!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Honey...I was born that way....LOL!

I think I should *channel* him...write to Ms. Deborah...and make *all* her dreams come true...whatcha think eh?

You are Precious and I really Enjoy Your Posts...We are in need of a few laughs every now and then.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Definitely! They both need all the help they can get! LOL!  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyCool::

Yep!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night All! TM You Have Mail!  ::MonkeyWink::

aaawwwwwwww....*blush*.....TY!

Actually I do have an interesting *birth* story...My dear Sweet Granny told me this....when I was born, in the deep South...I was a *veiled baby*....born with a *cowl* over my whole head...Granny told me that a quite plump Afican Nurse came out to her, and told her about it...and...asked if she could have the cowl to keep....so, I guess that part of me was used in some voo-doo rite at some point, and I'm also guessing that's why I'm so quirky....yeah, that's the ticket...LOL

Sleep with the Angels Hotping....

Nite-Nite...my eyes and a$$ can't take it anymore...
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

d

Nitey-nite PB...love your new name d

  Had they protected the victim as well as they are protecting the perpetrators, she would be alive.  If you don't like the US, then quit using it for a cash cow.  Send her home and we will go our ways and you can go your.    jack blue

  I imagine after this mocking picture came out on the I-net he thought he might better make sure these particular shoes no longer were his or not with him.  He and/or Depak has been letting pictures out for some reason.  The picture is obviously layered with paste in.
Note how the boy with the arm up in the air holding a camera or cell phone to take pics has his arm coming out of his back.  It may be Guido or Freddy.  He wears his pants like Guido.
The girl in front of Joran is as tall as he is if she stood up straight.  Unlikely there is a girl that tall there.  The picture is trying to make it look like the girl has her hands in Depaks pants, but it is his arm in his pocket.  The arm with the camera is probably from an earlier shot and it was pasted in.  Those people are something else down there.  To further explain what I said about the orange coloring it is showing an extreme red-orange color but if it is tempered with the correct lighting, the shoes come up with the right color and when resized in the proper way show some interesting things.  These shoes may have been actually worn by him and he thought it was safe to wear them until he knew they were going to be searched at some point and he got rid of them.  Something is just not right about the whole picture.  Looks like a girl praying in the audience and some other odd thing.  Joran's hand looks more like a punch just delivered or starting to be than a dance stance.  He is most likely using pictures from different times in this.  Depak is a web designer, or so I hear, so he may be into fooling around with the pictures.  Jack  b

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/friend_knows_who_dumped_natale.php (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/friend_knows_who_dumped_natale.php)

Go to this site and check out the "readers comments", I've already left a response. 

Thanks TM...did and did ;-)

I did notice after posting on the Dutch news site...they reserve the right to edit or not post my reply....I doubt they'll post it...but I can always hope...

Thanks Destiny!  I knew I could count on you!  :thumright:

This is what I'd like to do to that "Hal"   :smt075

I had to redo mine about six times!  I knew they wouldn't post it like it was, I think I gave them a decent one and hopefully Hal won't have the final say in the matter. ::MonkeyCool::

  If Val was home that night it is possible he assisted or even participated.  He may be the one they are protecting so much since Joran seems incorrigible.  Maybe it is two sons who are in hot water.  Something is very screwy about Anita even being away and suddenly coming on the scene when it is the last of the school year.  Palus must have a lot of peoples "markers" to have his family protected in such a manner.  Either that or he knows so much stuff on people that a good portion of the island is criminally indebted to him, in different parts of the antilles and NL as well.  That is extrodinary how those people are losing millions because of that family.  It has to be something else.  This has got to be tied in with something so big we can hardly put our minds around it.  Had NH not become a victim it would not have come out for years or maybe not in our lifetimes.  If we know as much as we do, the Authorities from several countries have to know much more and are not acting for some reasons that are beyond what we are trying to accomplish here.  It would be good to know the truth so we can work towards helping them if it is just by keeping mum.     jack b

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I don't think they are dancing, they are trying to watch something that is happening.

This guy has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
He is just an excentric poet and jazz-lover.
He makes compilation-cd's of jazz-musicians and one of the songs that happens to be on one of these cd's is by a band called:  The Red Holloway Sextet. Google it, it's nothing special.
This cd was released in 2002 btw.
Red Holloway plays the sax and this is his website: http://www.redholloway.com/
Nothing at all to do with this case!

Deelder is a nice guy btw, met him a couple of times, signed some of his books for me and wrote the most endearing, tearjerky poem about his daughter. Harmless guy, even did a commercial on Dutch tv for a washing detergent!

This is so true.  I might add that I found it quite revealing that The Beach Patrol (VCB Security) drive vehicles labeled Polis....not security.  The sole purpose is to make the tourist feel safe.  Tourists report incidents to "the Polis" and an official report to the real police never materializes.  Then we hear "there was no police report filed". Good for statistics.

I didn't realize that Jamaican drugs go to Aruba.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

On Monday, also, the narcotics police found ganja valued at more than $12 million attached to the hull of a ship docked at the Kingston Harbour. The vessel was destined for Aruba.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20080307T220000-0500_133309_OBS_COPS_DESTROY_FOUR_ACRES_OF_GANJA_NEAR_RIVERSDALE.asp

I wonder how it was attached to the hull   :smt102

Duct tape?

That was why I asked how far the party boat went out.  I wondered if it was possible to attach the trap to the under part of the party boat and maybe Croes or someone else could cut it loose when it got out to deeper water.

The trap that was posted, wasn't that deep, was it? 90 feet, IIRC?  I'm not sure, if they got the trap from the huts to the water, they would transfer it.....unless...it was floated somewhere on a surfboard or something.  If it was initially on a smaller boat, it might not have been "dumped" too far out/deep.   :smt102

This is very odd..I'd never seen it before...I think I'll have to watch it several times and see if I can understand the story.Obviously there is one..

The other "idolizers" are "jim" and some 16 year old girl.

And what to my wondering eyes should appear but Mrs. Klaas and 9 monkeys, dear!

Morning spunkey monkeys and glorious guests!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I found it interesting that a boat motor was loaded into a white pickup at the man's home, then driven to the fisherman's huts, where a fish trap was put in the boat.   Also the sharpening of a tool/weapon on the rock might have some meaning, along with the drummer playing in a cemetery by the water.  I also noticed the refinery in view several times.     

Also, it is tagged Natalee, Aruba, Holloway.....interesting!

The kid on the bike..Yoran had a bike..This seems to only involve the kid and the man.I paused it during the shot of the fisherman huts.One guy is covering his eyes and it looks as though there is someone on the roof watching.This is interesting...

O/T

Does anyone remember from before the crash(es), one of our monkeys signed up with and went on a search woth Texas ES?

Are there any monkeys who have done that and have posted about it?

TIA

Yes, kid and the man = Joran and Paulus

Quotes from an interview with Poentje:

Concering the quotes around 'dumping the body': it will be left out of the broadcast of tomorrow. Poentje promised Hans Mos (Hans Mos asked him to bleep it out; Poentje said he would leave it out completely).

According to Poentje this is what Patrick claimed:
BEFORE the airing of the Peter R. de Vriesshow Joran called Patrick. Joran asked him for 2000 Euros. He needed that money to give it to the person who helped him with dumping the body. Patrick gave the money to Joran.

Patrick then start taling about that it's easy now...just follow where the money has been sent....besides I know who it is.
Poentje: Then Patrick says were he lives, in what part of Holland he lives.
The reporter asks Poentje: Does he (Patrick) mentions a name?
Poentje: he doesn't say a name; but he mentions where he lives.
Reporter: He knows him?
Poentje: He knows him very well. Patrick also says he's hiding with Joran in the Netherlands.

This is a little weird:
* If Joran has so much money for weed, gambling, lending money to friends etc. why would he ask for money?
* Why would Joran ask for money from Patrick at that time? Maybe he asked him AFTER he confessed but BEFORE he knew he was set up??

Maybe this is information that shouldn't have leaked? But if this was going on & the police now about this....why did it take so long before Patrick was at the OM in Aruba for questioning?
And I wonder if Peter R. de Vries knows about this? Because if these quotes are correct, if Patrick actually said them, then it's a bit weird that Peter R. de Vries is laughing it off with remarks concerning translation / interpretation etc.

I might be wrong but I thought it was SunnyinTX.

PITA and Tot....i think it's very strange too.

the first thing that hit me was the white truck.  at one spot it even shows the license plate. 

interesting, the guy covering his eyes! 

the old man wakes up and looks at his watch.

will have to watch it some more later...need to get out and shovel snow first.

oh, and thanks klaas for posting those pics!

I remember, but I am sorry to say I cannot remember who or where it is posted. Only that it is probably in Missing Persons......somewhere.
Sorry.

thanks GBMW, very interesting

I think maybe Joran asked Patrick for money, because that's what Patrick promised him in the tapes.
"I will help you help this guy" or something along those lines...

I agree with you that Joran must have asked Patrick for the money between the recording of the tapes and before Peter's announcement on tv.

Could also be that Joran asked for the money but that Patrick said he would only give it if Joran would tell him the name of the real "Daury". So in that case Peter doesn't necesarally have to know, Patrick could've kept his mouth shut for whatever reason...

Well, it is interesting, but I can already hear the tacopina spin: "Joran was simply trying to con Patrick out of money for his own gambling debts."

Interesting....if you go to his pictures,go to the one family member(17 year old girl) he has listed,that leads to her web page,click on the"Angelique(sp)"(in her friends list)and in her web page she has joran and koen listed as friends.

Why didn't Pontje go to the police with it right away instead of putting a teaser on the air for MOS to hear?  He is not any better.  DeVries showed ALE the tapes first, did Pontius Pontje?  What is his connection to Joran?

Patrick does mention money for Daury in the car, isn't that how he gets info about him?

When Pontje says he is not going to air it, why does he then tell what he is not going to air?  If you talk about it and don't show it, all that is told is your biased (he shows this on his zorpia site) opinion of someone you don't like and are trying to discredit.  Anyone smell a skunk?

What if Patrick went on the air and said. "Joran said.......," and we never saw the tapes?  Isn't this what Poentje is doing?  Is this going to be heresay?

I had ears to hear and eyes to see Joran, all this smoke and mirors doesn't change a thing about Joran, imo.  He intended to make bucks selling drugs.  I think that is why he didn't mention any other names, he wanted to look like a tough guy so he could sell drugs in a big way.  Why did he even bother to apply to college, do you need a degree to sell pot now?

Another thing, if Joran didn't know what he was saying because he was high, then how does he know he didn't kill Natalee, wasn't he high then, too?

If anything this proves to me that you don't need a large boat to put someone in a cage and toss them in the water.
I wonder if their are scratches on this boat hmmm.
 We do know they were out in  the boat  that night we have it on Sanders statement.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Cars%20Boats/koenboat2-1.jpg)

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6640

           Highlights of memorable ' Holloway-week '

Why haven't we risen there now? On what? That these yielded as
Holloway-week can be considered. With that for - and antagonists it
will be once, however. On the Antilles they appear have informed well
what we these yielded all the Revu have see passing. Well and less
well news varied each other in fast tempo. Just as we thought that the
leak was above and we got hear who now actual responsible was for
dumping Natalee Holloway. The our, but also patience of the rest of
the Netherlands is still just as put on the test because the most
known Boca wrap in themselves grande of the benelux and the Antilles
as yet in dumbness.

For you in chronological order still even for at schotelen what these
appeared there week to holloway news at the these peaks. We must,
however, tell that the highlights come from Caribe magazine where we
on doorlinken to limit as much as possible loss to precious time and
because we the text and the doorlinks here and there what has adapted.
The lawyer of Joran of of the ditch wants confirm nor deny that its
customer in dipje sits. That meanss therefore that Joran have been
indeed taken. Of course we that Joran are breakdown rapidly at above
come and now once, hope without hid cameras and under the influence of
drugs, opening of matter give what has happened now écht in that
night with the disappeared Natalee Holloway.

On tv-schermen in the house chambers appeared again the team `
Holloway that cooperated in the retransmission in which Joran of of
the ditch a new version of its tale told. And on Aruba remarkable
pictures have been made of infiltrant Patrick of of the Eem, who among
others claimt to know who has thrown Natalee really in the Caribbean
sea.

In the programme Jensen on SBS6 last weak Beth Holloway, acted peter
R. freezes, Patrick of of the Eem and lawyer slab Moszkowicz. The last
examines if a civil procedure can be started of the ditch. In the
meantime Joran seem expired yielded in a psychiatric clinic have been
incorporated according to arubaanse daily order dia. The parents of of
of the ditch would deny these.

But the really particular pictures came from a arubaanse tv-studio of
the programme Un dia pine Bida. Patrick of of the Eem do, the
informant of peter R. freeze, remarkable judgements concerning its
role in the ' under cover operation '. Of of the Eem Poentje Castro in
the programme Un dia it was interviewed pine Bida. Then the interview
officially in order was, let Castro a hidden camera work.  ' off the
record ' said of of the Eem vervolgens that he of of the closed for
years knew and that he the name weet of the person who Natalee have
really thrown in sea. This name has not been released as yet.


So far of of the Eem has always told that he closed of of the still
but knew some months. Castro to savage with its action the doubtful
context of of of the Eem reveal. He says have now threatened with
death by of of the Eem.

Whereas a large part of the tv-kijkend public has formed a certain
opinion which Natalee have deprived Holloway of living on the basis of
medium information, there be also people who are persuaded of that of
of the ditch not the dader is. They put question signs at the side of
the family Holloway, which is so far underexposed has remained. Thus
the mother has told onwaarheden which did not examine further lijken
to be of Natalee Holloway several times. Journaliste Renee Gielen in
this side of the matter it has been particularly interested and will a
documentary make.


Permanently stands that this an intriguing matter is that is equal
does not know in the Caribbean area.


The above is rough tranny.

Maybe this isn't very clear so I thought I would mention it:

Reporter: (Patrick) knows him?
Poentje: (Patrick) knows him very well. Patrick also says he's hiding with Joran in the Netherlands.

And what kind of information does Patrick have / what has happened after the recordings that he thinks he knows who this guy is?
Has he had talks with Joran about the case and hasn't shared that information with Peter R. de Vries?
First Patrick doesn't know anything...then it's out: Joran gives his confession & then Joran calls: I need money for the 'boatguy' / Daury....Patrick gives the money (now they have to follow the money)...but he claims he knows who the boatguy is...that assumption must come from some information he has learned after the confessiontalks....right?

Wat would Poentje leave out completely?

Names or complete sentences?
That makes a big difference for the credibilty.

I was pretty sure the name started with an S. so you may be right.  Either way, thanks San.  At one time we had it on a thread.  Is it gone with the wind?

Throw a few snowballs for me and watch your back.

Yes, SunnyinTX and I think Beachwego went with her at the time.  Also more recently, Oldfart, Sam and others I can't remember at the moment went on search.  Everyone that has participated in a TES search has said how happy they did. 

Thanks, Nut, I think it had its own thread.

This is another funny, sarcastic piece.
They're reviewing the past week, what happened on all the Dutch TV-shows and Patrick's interview on TeleAruba.

I would say yes.  One thing we don't know for sure is what Patrick has shared with MOS. 

Peter R. also said he knew who the Daury was Joran mentioned.
so that would mean Peter R. also knows who dumped her.

but that is if we believe the name Joran mentioned was really his helper. and Peter R. doubt this.

maybe Patrick also doubt this and by saying "i know who dumped her", he his just saying i know who the Daury is who Joran mentioned - just like Peter R. knows who that is.

and that is was not the Daury Rodriguez who appeared on 20/20 and other tv-shows. Peter R. confirmed this.
that Daury Rodriguez worked/studied in Rotterdam and had ATM receipts to proof he was not on Aruba at the time.

the surname of Daury on Peter R. program was bleeped.

Patrick says that 'Daury' is from Rotterdam.
Rotterdam has a high Antilles population by the way.

also Poentjes says: (hiding) in Germany? - and Patrick says yes.
but elsewhere Poentje says Patrick said hiding in The Netherlands.

but rumours were Joran was in hiding in Germany.
is Patrick only telling the rumours or does he know something himself?

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/6539/Nieuwe_onthullingen_Van_der_Eem_in_zaak_Holloway
http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/6525/Van_der_Eem_bedreigt_tv_presentator

about the 2000 euro.
input of Jo-an is possible, that could explain it.

It's funny how everything seems to always come back to the J-Bird, isn't it?  Follow the money pit!

Is it possible that the reporters of Nieuwe Revu, Poentje and perhaps some Trollen from Fok have contact with eachother?

Why didn't Pontje go to the police with it right away instead of putting a teaser on the air for MOS to hear?  He is not any better.  DeVries showed ALE the tapes first, did Pontius Pontje?  What is his connection to Joran?
[/quote]

Poentje didn't show the material beforehand; and if he's so concerned about this case why didn't he RAN to the police with this tape / information himself? He's being negative about Patrick (for keeping this information to himself) but he's not any better indeed.

Poentje - Joran: no idea
Poentje - Patrick: have know each other for years (according to Peter R. de Vries)

[/quote]
Patrick does mention money for Daury in the car, isn't that how he gets info about him?
[/quote]

Maybe; or maybe Joran thought he could ask for money because Patrick talked about it?

[/quote]
When Pontje says he is not going to air it, why does he then tell what he is not going to air?  If you talk about it and don't show it, all that is told is your biased (he shows this on his zorpia site) opinion of someone you don't like and are trying to discredit.  Anyone smell a skunk?
[/quote]

Poentje is only going to leave out the 'dump the body' part because Hans Mos asked him this...and Poentje says he will do what the OM Aruba are asking him to do (to help the investigation)...but then he gives out the information. He did mention though he would check with his lawyer if it could be broadcasted in the Netherlands. He's not unwilling to show it himself; it's just that Hans Mos asked him to bleep out that part (because of the ongoing investigation)

OM Aruba has stated that none of the things Patrick has said changes anything concerning the statements / confessions Joran has made...they're seperate things.

Good morning monkeys.....I was trying to remember who it was that went with Sunny......

Klaas.... regarding the picture at CNC's that has been the subject of discussion the past couple of pages. Didn't we determine early on that the picture was taken during some kind of celebration of some kind and that they were playing a game of some sort during that shot??
Don't know, just got up and haven't even finished my first cup of coffee yet, and my head is pounding , I can't seem to get rid of this crud.
For some reason I seem to remember that maybe we found that picture on CNC's web page and there was an explanation that they were playing some sort of game or some such .........

Naomi Arnette IIRC in Illinois.

Not just bleep the names like the OM Aruba asked but leave out the "dump the body part" completely?

Jeah wright, I understand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Klaas.  I remembered the thread but could not for the life of me figure out what came after the S_ in her name.

I thought taping someone without them knowing it, was illegal in Aruba?  ::MonkeyEek::

When Joran was called in the Jensen show; the transfer of calling sounded normal. Normally when you call abroad the sound is different...but maybe I'm mistaken. Or he was in the Netherlands for visit to his grandma ;-)

Pontje's connection to joran is his 17 yo relative named Marriene or something like that.

Jo-An, your contribution to the cage is immeasurable.  Thanks.

                   (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/monkeysmile.jpg)

When you call a number in Germany the tone is the same as calling someone in Holland.
(I work for a German company, I make calls to Germany every day.  ::MonkeyWink::)
Calling to the UK and USA has a different tone (2 short tones instead of 1 longer one)

Is Patrick telling rumours or is Poentje telling rumours?

That's the question. And if Poentje leaves complete parts out of the interview I think Poentje is the one who tells rumours. ::MonkeyWink::

Currently there appear to be four people that know who "daury" / "boat guy" really is. If this person really exists.

Joran
Patrick
Godfather Peter R
Poentje

and possibly now Mos.

As each day goes by, I am inclined to believe that no one is investigating this person. By now, I would think, that this person has been questioned.

When Daury Rodriguez was identified he was on TV in an instant. Joran said he made up that name. Rodriguez said “ I’m shocked and angry, I was in Rotterdam at school at the time. What Joran is saying is bullshit”.

So where is this person, and has he been interrogated?

It will not be long until the real name of this person is known. That's how the net works.

Poentje

"Poen" is slang for "money" in Dutch.
"tje" means little.

That's probably what he makes in a year, little money, with an audience of 15 per show.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Rob.

Thanks, Karma.  I read that after I posted.

Karma is coming, Joran and when it heads your way, you better duck!!!

Karmaroundup wrote:


This is the first I've heard of a relationship betwwen Poentje and Joran, where did you see this?  Very interresting.

:smt045 :smt045 :smt045

It's a zorpia relative connection.  Going back in the thread...........................BRB

i googled poentje and i found this:
http://www.straatwoordenboek.nl/letter/P/poentje  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning Dayhiker and yes, I agree.

Another interesting side note would of course be Jansen. Would she be a witness or a member of the prosecution?

Interesting indeed.

She is off the case, so I would imagine she is a witness for the prosecution and up to her eye balls also.

She and Paulus are eternally intertwined.

Poentje didn't show the material beforehand; and if he's so concerned about this case why didn't he RAN to the police with this tape / information himself? He's being negative about Patrick (for keeping this information to himself) but he's not any better indeed.

Poentje - Joran: no idea
Poentje - Patrick: have know each other for years (according to Peter R. de Vries)

[/quote]
Patrick does mention money for Daury in the car, isn't that how he gets info about him?
[/quote]

Maybe; or maybe Joran thought he could ask for money because Patrick talked about it?

[/quote]
When Pontje says he is not going to air it, why does he then tell what he is not going to air?  If you talk about it and don't show it, all that is told is your biased (he shows this on his zorpia site) opinion of someone you don't like and are trying to discredit.  Anyone smell a skunk?
[/quote]

Poentje is only going to leave out the 'dump the body' part because Hans Mos asked him this...and Poentje says he will do what the OM Aruba are asking him to do (to help the investigation)...but then he gives out the information. He did mention though he would check with his lawyer if it could be broadcasted in the Netherlands. He's not unwilling to show it himself; it's just that Hans Mos asked him to bleep out that part (because of the ongoing investigation)

OM Aruba has stated that none of the things Patrick has said changes anything concerning the statements / confessions Joran has made...they're seperate things.

[/quote]


GBMW, great thoughts in your post. Glad Hans Less has figured out how to separate Joran's comments from Patrick's. Nothing Patrick said or was miscontrued to be said erases Joran's confession and vile comments towards Natalee.

Now there's a picture I could have done without so early.

                   :smt100

Klaas ... Dave's claim from way back in regards to this school bus pickup concurs with the rumor that there was communication that originated in this area from a VDS' cell phone and ... Steve Croes was the recipient.

Apparently there was a paramedic on the Island named Steve Croes and ... it was initially speculated that emergency assistance was being requested.  This was prior to "Steve Croes" ... the Tattoo DJ ... Deepak's friend ... entering the scene.

Janet

Can't tell for sure, but she looks a bit like Karin ;)
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute
"angelique's" homepage

YW Bearly
I hope when Karma comes it smashes them all down.....where they belong.

Hahaha i was just about to type that lol!! I have a very good friend that speaks Surinam.. he says it means ..... well whats in the link:P

I might be wrong Dayhiker, but I don't think Mos can investigate Jansen. That would be the KLPD or internal affairs. Mos is charged with investigating what happened to Natalee only. The scope of the cover-up would be a separate matter.

I might be wrong Dayhiker, but I don't think Mos can investigate Jansen. That would be the KLPD or internal affairs. Mos is charged with investigating what happened to Natalee only. The scope of the cover-up would be a separate matter.
[/quote]


That raises another conundrum for Hans, how can he just investigate the murder without investigating the cover-up? What if, for instaqnce, Jannsen was intimately involved along with Van der Straten in the moving of the body and/or the supression or destruction of Joran's statements.

How do you NOT investigate her? How can you do an invesitgation and ignore Paulus friends in the government?

I wonder how small Natalee was compared to him.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


       (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/amandagilsatishjoranflor.jpg)

O/T  Klaas.....  Matt LaCrosse  in missing peeps... please mark as Body Found.
Thanks...they found him down river from where the scent dogs tracked him to the bridge.

I would imagine it would be because she was an appointed member of the Judiciary sent by Holland. Same as Mos. Holland will have to deal with her.

Jacobs and others that are actual citizen of Aruba would be dealt with by Aruba. And I don't see that happening. They're home free.

Van Der Straaten was given a three year contract and sent to Aruba. He would be dealt with by Holland, should they find a reason.

They'll just shuffle the blame around and no one will face any charges for corruption of malfeasance.

Sorry to hear that, Nut.

I had the same thought when I saw her picture.

Well, I would hope not. Especially for the good people of Holland's sake... some who post here. They deserve to know that Jansen is not prosecuting them after what she did. She should be no where near any court room. Same goes for Paulus and why he is still in possession of a law license is mind boggling. He sure didn't help anyone during the driver license scandal and his clients were convicted. He's one crappy father and attorney.

This being a separate matter  - it does not require Natalee's body to be found. It's totally separate.

jvds is supposedly 6'4", natalee was 5"4".  natalee weighed a max of ll0 lb. jvds looked to be over 200lbs., lots of baby fat, not muscle.
dennisintn

O/T

Is the Auburn Video Press Conference over for Lauren Burk?  I just keep getting a blank screen.

I would have to believe that Patrick is not that stupid as to hide information here. What would be the motive, I can think of only one and that would be if he was going to get a payoff from VDS. This is highly unlikely in my opinion.

If he was going to withhold info for use in his book, well, what happens when that info comes out when the book is released, he would be in hot water then and look like a criminal himself. Again, highly unlikely this is what is going on.

A few other points: OE said that Patrick was paranoid about being secretly recorded when he met with the Persistence crew. Also, he was relaxed recently with Peter and Beth on the Dutch tv show. Finally, if this information was his "ace" in the hole, so to speak, you would guard it with your life.

In the end this BS will all come to light for what it is, an annoying distraction that has temporarily shifted the spotlight away from Joran and Paulus and the corrupt.

Yes it's over.  They talked about the arrest and that they have known for a while the person they were looking for (I forget how they knew).  He's being charged with capital murder and attempted rape.

There is a Judge Posner up in that area

Michael Posner (owner of Excelsior casino and Brickel Bay hotel) is not his real name.

She sure does.....is this really joran's zopia site?He has a"Grace"listed as his GF and sander and Sasha as his family members.

A quote from Patrick van der Eem:

"I'm really sorry I can't talk to you right now; then he refers to Peter Schouten (his & Peter R. de Vries' PR agent). "Everything I say is being twisted so I'm really sorry, but I can't talk to anybody"

He was being friendly; apologetic about not being able to answer questions.
This is too bad though; this probably means he won't be giving any more interviews at the moment & he has given lots of extra information about Joran in interviews.

Or maybe they want to wait with a reaction until tomorrow...

Peter R. de Vries hasn't had a new column about this either...and that's a bit weird. He has stated that he doesn't understand what all the fuss is about so maybe that's why hasn't responded through his website. But as he stated: he doesn't know Papiamento, hasn't seen the total broadcast so he can't really react to what's been said....but it seems it's not just a word or a sentence that is supposed to be misinterpreted...so how can he say that it's just a lot of fuss about nothing?

Well, if those involved that are under Dutch jurisdiction are allowed to skate free and clear, then sadly, the people of Holland will suffer the consequences. Boycott Holland?? Absolutely, if they sit on their hands.

nooooooo...it is not Joran's site!

I did a search and got this

Uitzendverbod voor 'bekentenis' Van der Eem - RADIO NEDERLAND ...
Van der Eem is de 'infiltrant', die Joran van der Sloot in het programma van ... Sloot, Natalee Holloway, Patrick van der Eem, Peter R de Vries, Poentje Castro ...
antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080307_vandereem

Ditto on the good folks of Holland part, they deserve to know just as much as we do. The Aruban/Dutch have made a complete mockery out of their system.

You cannot separate the murder from the cover-up due to Joran's comments about seizures. This has to implicate Van der Straten and Jannsen so they cannot be excluded from the murder investigation.

Hans: "Mr. Van der Straten/Ms. Jannsen, we have a confssion from Joran where he says that Miss holloway had seizures so he threw her in the ocean. We also have multiple testimonies from the family that they were asked on numerous occasions, within 48 hours even, whether the victim was prone to seizures.

Yet we do not have that in Mr. Van der Sloot's statements, in fact we do not have any of his early statements in the case files. Why is that Mr. Van der Straten/Ms. Jansen?" [/b]

http://www.zorpia.com/friend/username/loverboy362
Ummmmm.......I think Grace is/was a man  ::MonkeyEek::

lol....ok
:)

The Karma Bus is very BIG....he can't duck this one...singing this song today....the wheels on the bus go round and round....

How do you know? Sorry, I don't know a lot about online profiles - Internet etc. But it states he's been a member since jan. 2005, loverboy362 as his username, some of his friends are known and there is a photo of Floor on this site (a friend of his...this I know for sure)....
Do you know his real site then? Or is this just a really good fake one?

Dayhiker, just to clarify.

The issues are intertwined but separate. Follow me?

The investigation into what happened to Natalee is one issue and the corrupt that sprung from that issue is another.

This happens when those in authority do not do the right thing. i.e. Nifong.

Now if there are no consequences to those that purposefully destroyed evidence, tampered with evidence, changed facts, ignored facts, then that will empower others to believe that they can get away with it also.

In a perfect world Natalee would be found. Those that committed the crimes against Natalee would be prosecuted and convicted. Then the corruption would be on display and those folks would then be tried and convicted in their roles.

In this case, should Natalee never be found, it might be that only those that conspired in the cover-up are convicted.... such the irony. 

Oh Bearly...You are sooooooooo Sweet...garsh darn...you warm my heart....yep....I tend to stay logged in on a tab...ever since the big melt down in here...I don't take chances on getting booted out...if that is a big no-no for the cage...someone needs to let me know....
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Hi Destiny! You know what?  I too stay in the Monkey cage and dont shut the page down, except to reboot every couple of days or so. I do that because it takes me SO long to get back into the cage because of my internet issues here, plus the pop ups. I sit here 24/7 for the most part, and that's the reason. Also, if I have a LOT of reading to do in the cage, I open a second window and switch back and forth...while reading one page, the next page is loading. One of the many blessings of living so far out in the country is that we dont have high speed connections available to us way out here for anything less then $700 initial set up fee, and I cant justify that.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Hey Destiny, would you E mail me some info about your resport, please? It sounded wonderful! My E mail is njackson1245@neto.com
Thanks!

grrrrr.......sorry my patience is wearing thin this day.
http://www.zorpia.com/just2cute  IS NOT Joran's site

http://www.zorpia.com/loverboy362/album/-1/profile_photos  IS

This is definately Joran's Zorpia site.  It was created before Natalee:

http://www.zorpia.com/friend/username/loverboy362

Rob who did PVDS represent in that driver licence scandal?

Hi Gabby, sorry to hear you have such issue with the net... but glad to hear you read along when you can.

HI JE,

I forget the fellow's name. It is probably located in the crime and corruption thread. All that stuff is documented there. Ms Marple does a heck of a job on that stuff.

There were (I believe) five or six defendant and Paulus was assigned one or two of them.

I know.
Karma seemed to ask if the link I posted in the above quote stack was Joran's and I said no. Damn it is hard to explain things here!

Oh ok; then there was a mix up in the communication I think; because the loverboysite was the site that was referred to...(that one has Grace & Claudia as his girlfriend...Grace has been added recently by the way ;-)...).

http://www.zorpia.com/loverboy362

Username: loverboy362
Name: Joran
Location: Arnhem
Country: Netherlands
Age: 20
Gender: Male

Member Since:
Saturday, Jan 15 2005  
Last Visit:
Friday, Feb 29 2008

NUT - I figured that's what you meant  ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Destiny! You know what?  I too stay in the Monkey cage and dont shut the page down, except to reboot every couple of days or so. I do that because it takes me SO long to get back into the cage because of my internet issues here, plus the pop ups. I sit here 24/7 for the most part, and that's the reason. Also, if I have a LOT of reading to do in the cage, I open a second window and switch back and forth...while reading one page, the next page is loading. One of the many blessings of living so far out in the country is that we dont have high speed connections available to us way out here for anything less then $700 initial set up fee, and I cant justify that.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Hey Destiny, would you E mail me some info about your resport, please? It sounded wonderful! My E mail is njackson1245@neto.com
Thanks!
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Hey Gabby!

I too live in the *boonies*  was the first one to get WIFI and DSL up here on the mountain...had to install it ourselves...the local phone guys watched how we did it...too funny!

For $700. they must be trying to charge you for the fiber optics too LOL..

Sending you email....

It is possible that Peter tells it is just a lot of fuss about nothing, because Peter knows what Patrick told in the interview.
Peter and Patrick obviously have contact with eachother (see the Jensen shows last week).
If Patrick said nothing special in the interview, there is no reason to keep reacting.
Its logic that Peter waits for the interview because he was not there either.

But, today it looks much like the famous sentences, translated by Peter R. haters in cooperation with Poentje, are going to be left away completely.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry for the misunderstanding :)
I meant was joran's zorpia site really made by joran,but I see you have answered that already.

Klaas, do you have the pix of Karin w/ the tilted hat on...basball hat kinda tipped?

Hey Rob, Hi!!  I do read every day, but only post occasionally because for me it takes so long. My goal is to one day join the "real world" as far as internet goes   ::MonkeyHaHa::   I am very proud to be part of the Monkeys, and to have my own little corner in the cage!! Each of you has come to feel like friends to me!

From Joran's Zorpia site:

(http://lrg.zorpia.com/0/1045/6689074.f250e1.jpg)

Another possibility....Peter and Patrick are working together, to stir the pot...waiting to see what floats to the top...LOL....this reminds me of an old saying...*shit floats*....

 ::MonkeyShocked::

++++++++++

Quote from: johan555 on March 05, 2008, 09:01:22 AM

de moeder van Lorenzo

De moeder van Lorenzo, Astrid van Rijn, actief is als poster op een aantal websites (als SandraK en Keywest). Zij gaf onlangs aan dat ze op goede voet staat met Robin Holloway, de vrouw van Dave Holloway. Dit is natuurlijk pikant, nu de ex vriendin van Lorenzo van Rijn zijn alibi op 30 mei 2005 intrekt

No way do I believe that SandraK is Lorenzo's mom.  SandraK admitted to me that she didn't even know Lorenzo. 

So...Lorenzo's Mom posts as Sandrak...trying to help Lorenzo with an alibi?

O/T Klaas....
Another missing' needs to be marked Body Found....

Analyce Guerra remains were found in Jan. and not identiified until now. Thanks.

Klaas ... would you please translate the above post and ... WHO IS johan555?

It is so weird.  After three years of articles flashing before me in posts ... I do believe I am able to get the drift of the message.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Okay...I'll take the next step....  LORENZO'S MOM LIVES IN MICHIGAN!?! /sarc

I don't think SandraK knows anything about Lorenzo other that what she reads on blogs.