Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

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Robots taught me well

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Where is Robots anyway?  Or has he taken on a new alias here and having lots of laughs? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyWink::

LOL at Tibro...sleeping peacefully away in the Land Downunder.

Thanks vms, Buckeye and Rob…and anyone I missed…I was trying to do some checking …there is a really good pic at the bottom of the page in the Aruban Who’s Who…I think ******* posted it….more weather and slow computer this morning.

I made a post a week or so ago that maybe the ‘Croes’ in Steve Croes was a stage name as I didn’t know how it connected to Solognier. If some-one knew of a connection and had researched it, and had seen my post, they should have posted the info and not now be dropping hints.

Texasmom spent time looking for this info last night and SS this morning. SS plans on spending more time on it. If the research has already been done, please post it and don’t waste other peoples precious time doing the same thing over.

It appears to me that some of this info on the ‘monkey and shaking trees and the 5th.’ is coming from a poster who no longer posts. Just reading between the lines and recalling posts from a few weeks back. Could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure I'm not...

And if Steve Croes is the 5th. suspect who would then be the 4th.?

This is not a competition and we are supposed to be on the same side here, the side of 'Justice for Natalee and Standing with the Girl'!

I agree with you 100%.  :smt038

I guess you would have to believe that AG was Simian to follow all that? She was not. Not even a possibility, IMO.

Not sure about SG.  Only Solagnier (probably spelled wrong...but so are most names from Aruba) I know about was SG's uncle, in car when Greta saw the two.

Can't make anything out of the genealogy...and my guess is most people on the island are a little "loose" about their histories or/and hidden relations.

Don't know anything for sure about AG, but I tend to go with vms.  I believe the possibility was looked into at one time and Klaas had a few comments. There were many sessions on the topic.  Maybe Klaas remembers final conclusion.

I have no idea why anyone would hold "thoughts" back, at this late date (except OE).  Now is the time to bring these issues forward and see if they can be substantiated or not.
If anyone, on this board, had the full story/answer, they wouldn't be posting...IMO

Aruba holds Kalpoes on suspicion in missing girl case; 4th suspect arrested
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=who+is+the+4th+suspect+in+the+natalee+holloway+case&fr=att-portal&u=msnbc.msn.com/id/9085540&w=4th+suspect+suspected+suspects+natalee+holloway+case&d=NqzLGPH_QQjw&icp=1&.intl=us

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SG=SC  (Steve Croes)...sorry....

and is there a secret reason he is called Crows??  I don't get it.... :smt102

Maybe I didn't do something right, or maybe I just don't know enough to recognize the signs here.  This is what I found, spent a long time working on it so if you want to criticize, please be kind.  Maria Regina Croes Henriquez would have been widowed in 1975, could have remarried...only remaining living people are in the last three generations. 


58.  Paulus Ravine, born 06 april 1794 in Aruba85; died 13 juli 1841 in Aruba85.  He married 59. Maria Margaretha Solagnier 16 augustus 1826 in Aruba86.
59.  Maria Margaretha Solagnier, born 25 mei 180487; died 29 oktober 1861 in Aruba87.  She was the daughter of 118. Michel Benoit Solagnier and 119. Regina Jacomina Croes.

Child of Paulus Ravine and Maria Solagnier is:
29 i. Regina Jacomina Ravine, born Abt. 1824 in Aruba; died 18 oktober 1897 in Aruba; married Casper Theodorus Croes 11 augustus 1847 in Aruba.


Child of Pietro Frigerio and Regina Croes is:
25 i. Angiolina Clothilde Frigerio, born 12 augustus 1860 in Aruba; died 12 juli 1940 in Aruba; married Benjamin Titus Henriquez 16 februari 1876 in Aruba.


Child of Benjamin Henriquez and Angiolina Frigerio is:
12 i. Leonardus Johannes Macabeus Henriquez, born 01 augustus 1879 in Aruba; died 14 augustus 1960 in Aruba; married Elisabeth Marie Croes 28 december 1901 in Aruba.

Child of Leonardus Henriquez and Elisabeth Croes is:
6 i. Ezau Albrecht Henriquez, born 13 januari 1904 in Aruba; died 14 maart 1975 in Aruba; married Maria Regina Croes 29 maart 1933 in Aruba.

Child of Ezau Henriquez and Maria Croes is:
3 i. Ellen Constance Henriquez, born 21 oktober 1943 in Aruba; married Jacobo Antonino Constantino Alders 06 april 1979 in The Hague, The Netherlands.

1.  Diandra Caroline Alders, born 13 maart 1980 in The Hague, The Netherlands.  She was the daughter of 2. Jacobo Antonino Constantino Alders and 3. Ellen Constance Henriquez.

More About Diandra Caroline Alders:
Baptism: 23 maart 1983, Rev. Snoep/The Hague, The Netherlands

From the above:

A fourth person, who authorities say is a friend of the Kalpoe brothers, was also arrested. His connection with the case, if any, was unclear. His name was not immediately released.

This article was related to the August rearrest and Freddy.  The 5th suspect quote was posted in June.  I don't believe this arrest situation is related to the earlier post.

For the record, I DO NOT believe for one minute that AG was Simian.  The research I've done does not lead to AG at all. 

texasmom

I went crazy, for awhile myself.  If the poster is that certain, he can at least link a page.  Not to mention that SC had been on Curacao.  :smt102

There is enough bits and pieces, out there, that anyone can try to connect anything, to the case.  The point is, to state what you're thinking and see if it holds up to scrutiny.  Michael Archer certainly didn't. My guess is, some people don't want their ideas to be scrutinized.

and...I stand with......Klaas... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Exactly, Klaas.

This post alone rules her out, IMO.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

Either GCV and/or Joran is the 5th suspect.   jackb

Todays Awemainta Newspaper. More of the same,the protesting over salaries and accusing the MEP of covering up the two big corruption cases that happened in the last  few months.

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jack

If you count the security guards and Kalpos being arrested before Joran, then yes, Joran could be the 5th.

Paulus and perhaps Guido and perhaps Lorenzo (and who knows who else) were all considered before GVC (if by GCV you mean Geoffrey Van Cromfort ?sp?).  So, I don't think he's the fifth.

This should all be take to the Shango/Simian thread. Sorry.

Colegio Arubano Yearbooks..Maybe Simian is in there?

http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/index.html
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/index.html

Hans Mos looks awful tall.

He is..I would say at least 6'4

O/T  Klaas.......when you get a minute...Jeffrey M. Liepitz  [Body Found] please and thank you.

Didn't we, at one time, know the year KIA was inaugurated?  Haven't we been down this road before?  I'm getting deja vu.

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

I tell you what....I will ask ArubaGirl myself...as if I haven't already done that before...but I am attempting to do it again.  Just for clarity.  We are getting sidetracked by this...again. Simian and Shango have their own thread..

Ok, here's what I know.

Steve Croes is directly related to Rufo SolOgier. I am not sure who his direct relation is through. Not sure if this is through his mother or father. Someone is related to Rufo and thus to Steve.

There are two spellings for Solongier and Solangier. We are looking at the people with the "O" not the "A".

According to a former source I had, Rufo and Ronnie are VERY VERY close and the source described Ronnie as his "uncle". This could be like your father's best friend is sometimes called your "uncle". I'm not totally sure. I have described this before . . . like more than 2 years ago. LOL

Ronnie was described to me as a very stern man but fair. I have never met the guy, so I have no first hand knowledge of him or his demeanor.  He just seems crooked like the rest of them, to me at least.

AG is not Simian. When it was first raised, I emailed her and she flatly denied it. I believe she told me the truth. And she was quite offended. She's a weird bird, but not Simian. ::MonkeyHaHa::

What size shoe does he wear?    ::MonkeyWink::

Rob,  Wasn't Steve living with his "uncle" at the time of his arrest and they searched the uncle's house??

Email done..let's wait and see what happens. 


Steve Croes is Dutch?

In the last thread, Finbar who started all of this said that we needed to look at the "a", we were told to search Solagnier+genaruba, that's where my info came from.  I'd already posted my thoughts on it being Steve Croes/uncle whose name has the "o" not the "a", although I do believe that I've read (somewhere in a transcript) that the relation to Rufo/Steve is through Rufo's wife's side of the family.  I swore off of this last night or very early this morning I should say, don't know why I keep trying.  And I'm not even sure this post makes sense, if it doesn't just pass on over it. 
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Not Dutch.  I believe Steve's family was from Curacao. 

I haven't done research like Klaas has, but I also do NOT believe that AG was Simian. I still email with AG occasionally, and I find her to be a very honest and likable young woman. She has denied repeatedly that she is Siman, and I believe her denials. I agree with Lalas that this is not a productive path to follow.

Sunny, I read Nancy Grace Transcript/Greta transcript last night about his arrest.  He was living with grandparents next door to uncle.  If a search was done at all it was not a thorough search, based on the length of time the police were there, etc. 
Here are some links if you would like to read what was said at the time:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html)

Hi AZ... didn't he live with grandmama? after his divorce? I think he did, but I could be wrong.

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Hi TM... good morning. Well, everyone is free to look at who they wish.. and that's up to each individual. I have never seen the "A"s involved anywhere. But to each his own.

I am confused then...I thought that was a Dutch genealogy site.  I really need to pay more attention. Sorry.

Hi Lalas... better get your muffs ready... my email was filled with F bombs... lmao!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

According to TJ Ward, Joran had access to the raq. ball center and access to a condo in that same complex. I doubt it but I wonder if he was talking about La Cabana? DId he confuse the 2 Raquetball clubs?
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WARD: Well, just to follow up with some of the leads, like we`re looking at today. I returned over there this morning and talked to the manager of the racquetball club, in regards to Van Der Sloot having access to a home somewhere in the area around the pond. And I`m still trying to confirm some additional information to see if this is true. - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html
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When they reach La Cabana, Satish puts in a DVD with a nude scene, Natalee says “Oh my God, what is that”.  Deepak says "Now she'll think we're perverts".  After a few minutes Joran tells Satish “Turn that thing off, she has had enough” (D 6/11)
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Lala's maybe I missed the genealogy site you are referring to but I don't believe he's Dutch.

Rob - Steve Croes isn't Dutch is he?

Sorry, I think I had all the links linked together in my first post, so they wouldn't work! I will have a couple more cups of coffee before I post again.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html)

Hi Klaas, and good morning to you too.
You were right... like always.. he's not Dutch. He is from Aruba or Curacao. Their only 75 miles apart and some people actually have lived on both islands at some point in their lives.

I had the same issues. But, I suppose, someones distant history can be used for connections, if necessary. Still think it's a stretch.

They all seem to have Dutch citizenship.  I just know that when JK2 were arrested, the Arubans shouted "they're not aruban".  Made a big distinction about Dutch and Surinamese.  Don't know what they called SC, when he was arrested.

How close is LaCabana to The Racquet Club?  Maybe the article was saying if you stay at LaCabana, you can use the Racquet Club.  Does LaCabana actually have their own? 

snip http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html
PENHAUL: He`s a 26-year-old, originally born on Curacao, but he has lived on Aruba for many years now. He`s a recent divorcee. He`s the father of a 2-year-old son. He was living in the town of Santa Cruz. That`s a town in the center of the island near the national park. He was living at that house with his grandfather and his grandmother, living next door to his uncle. His uncle is a retired police chief inspector, Nancy.

another snip:
PENHAUL: We don`t know how thorough the search of his home was. By the time that we arrived at Steve Croes` home in midmorning, possibly four hours, five hours after the arrest, there was no sign of police there. Steve Croes` uncle told us that police came and left pretty quickly.

What we do know is that Steve Croes` car, a black Honda, was still parked in the driveway outside the house. What we also know is that tattoo party boat, where Steve Croes was D.J., has not been searched by police. And Steve Croes` employer, Marcus Wiggins, not Williams, as I said earlier, but Wiggins, has said that he has not been contacted by the police to give any references or, in fact, to ask any more about the boat itself, Nancy.

GRACE: Karl, I`m stunned. History is repeating itself. Aruba police, listen! Search the guy`s car. Search the cruise ship. Talk to everybody this guy knows.

David Schwartz, have you ever seen anything like it? You think this guy may be connected to the disappearance of an American girl. They take him into custody, and his car is sitting there in the driveway. Hello? Search it! Fiber, hair, semen, blood, fingerprints, same thing for the boat. What are they thinking?

SCHWARTZ: You stole my thunder, Nancy. I totally agree with you. I`ve never heard of anything like this. Where I practice, the arrest is made, the search warrants are in place, and then they search either the house or the car. Sure, there`s evidence -- there is potential evidence there.

There could be DNA, there could be hair fibers, there could be semen, there could be condoms, there could be e-mails, computers, anything.

GRACE: Anything.

Muffs always at the ready. LOL

Got behind as I can't hardly post and know Lala's won't mind me sticking this here...LOL


RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE: No, not for a week.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is your...

SOLOGNIER: My wife went to the courtroom this morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Right. What did they say in court today?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. Nothing. They can't say nothing. He can't speak to her.

VAN SUSTEREN: They won't let Steve Croes talk to his...

SOLOGNIER: No, nobody.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?

SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I have to ask the lawyer.

VAN SUSTEREN: Steve is not your son, he's your nephew, right?

SOLOGNIER: He's the nephew of my wife.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where is Steve's parents?

SOLOGNIER: In Curacao.

VAN SUSTEREN: And sorry, he lives next door with his grandmother?

SOLOGNIER: Grandmother, grandfather.

VAN SUSTEREN: With your wife's mother and father then?

SOLOGNIER: Yes, yes, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And his grandparents. Any idea why they picked him up?

SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I can't even.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are they telling you anything at all?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. I know nothing about Steve.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

Thanks, yes I remember the grandparents now, and I think Klaas is correct that his mom lived in Curacao and that is where he was originally from before moving to Aruba.

*******...I am doing some checking on the racquet Club...will keep it in mind.

The Jorge Sanchez that you found is also the tennis pro at the HI. I am still trying to find out if it is him that ALE questioned and had something of his that he wanted returned. I have saved all the posts on this from the Shango thread, thanks to JE...LOL, but I want to ask Caps about somethings he found.

Eagle Beach is just south of Palm Beach and La Cabana has everything
Beach,Raquetclub and Suites/Condo's...
http://www.lacabanabrc.com/members/checkin.shtml
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I looked into it because the Aruba Raquetball club does not have any suites that I am aware of. Unless TJ was talking about a actual home. Like this..We never heard anything more about it so it may not have been true.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/some-startling-revelations.html

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If the security guards are not taken into consideration ... Paulus van der Sloot is the fifth suspect.  If the the security guards are considered either Deepak, Satish or Joran would be the fifth suspect ... depending on the order they were detained.

Janet

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html
Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005
FOX NEWS

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.  Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


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OFFICIAL SUSPECTS IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

Karin Janssen:

1. Mickey John - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

2. Abraham Jones - first and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping.

3. Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder

4. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

5. Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

6. Steve Croes- Suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

7. Paulus van der Sloot - complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

8. Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance" of Natalee Holloway.

9. Guido Weaver - Assisting in the murder, heavy battery and kidnapping" of the teen

10. Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

11. Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.


Hans Mos:

12.  Joran Van der Sloot -suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

13.  Deepak Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway.

14.  Satish Kalpoe - suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway,

Facts are facts, the truth does not change.  GCV is 5th as is Joran if the Security guards are counted.  Not witnesses, suspects.  Suspects being the word here that should count.  As for believing it.  I am not interested as to who believes it or not, but I will put out the truth as I read and analyze it in order that either misinformation or mistakes are made.  That is why I keep posting it.  Jack b

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

As Jug Twitty implied ... it is as thought the "powers that be" in the investigation did not want to know the truth.

Janet

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Jug Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
August 11, 2005

TWITTY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/

Theres only one person from the suspects who fits as the Boyfriend from earlier in the week and that is GVC.MO

I always found it hard to believe they waited a year to question him. We also know someone else was arrested on June 11th 2005 in connection with this case.

Joran = Arrested 6-9-05, released 9-3-05 by Judge R Smid , under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence”

Deepak = Arrested 6-9-05, released 7-4-05, under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence” Re-arrested on 8-26-05 under suspicion of the primary criminal act of committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences, and even more alternately, raping somebody

Satish = Arrested 6-9-05 along with his brother Deepak, & Joran. Seemingly unemployed 18 year old citizen of Suriname under “reasonable suspicion of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.”

Paulus = Arrested 6-23-2005 around 2:15 pm, released 6-26-05. Suspicion of complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping

Guido = Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and heavy battery.

Keeping in mind the possibility the bros were arrested at the same time, but there again, Guido and GVC are in the same boat, if so.    jackb

He was a liar, first of all.  A witness second of all and he must have rearranged his lie or went into some deep pockets to explain it.  He was probably warned, patted on the head after he was told to shut up he wasn't helping.   jackb

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Beth stated that GVC slapped Natalee on that back side when he was detained. I remember that very clearly. Seems it happened in CnC a day or two earlier.

 

I was talking about steve croes being a liar, etc.  Yes *******, I agree that GVC fits the boyfriend earlier in the week.  He is out and about while the others are either sleeping or in school.  He is in a lot of places because of his job.  He would have a much better chance of running into the girls because of this.  Jackb

Yes..I believe it is a fact that happened,that he was grinding behind her when dancing,I think on that Friday the 27th. Dave has also comfirmed that. Kind of a custom in Aruba to show you are intersted in someone I have read. I know Joe Taco has thrown GVC under the bus many times saying he met Natalee and that VCB shirt is his,has forensic evidence on it and is connected to this case.

GVC knows Vanderstratten, his sister is in the PD, his daddy an ex-cop in Holland and this ex-cop has security businesses in different islands in the dutch islands.  He has everything he needs, including a parental alibi to keep him from prosecution.  There are videos that run in the business and casinos that should have verified stories of perps, etc.  They have been manipulated, etc.  The perps had constant information as to what was discovered and by whom, witnesses, etc. who were warned and/or killed.  More than likely many videos show crimes and/or indiscretions of the politicos from different islands and Holland.  The Cromvroits have the videos and the power to make this go away through use of their videos.
The Sloots are getting a free ride because GVC is most likely as deeply involved as Joran, Palus, Vanderstratten, the 2K, Guido and Jacobs.  Some of the others may be involved to what some may say a "lesser" degree, no in my eyes, but perhaps some who were present and partook of crimes or kept mum.  Where can you take information when the PD, Beach Security and others in LE are involved without making a noose for your own neck?  It is no wonder everyone is keeping quiet.
Jack b

 ::MonkeyEek:: If Joran is arrested this will be huge! Get the Father!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Any of our Dutch posters seeing or hearing anything in the NL about this?

Followup by Nativelingo:
Canal 90 waiting on confirmation from the Netherlands....

Supposedly he was taken under arrest in the afternoon (Holland time)...

 

Keep in mind Steve Croes is very well acquainted with GCV, note the partying pictures with Steve and GVC in the middle showing is 3 or 4 pack.  Steve may have been there to protect GVC as well as himself and gaining brownie favors from the Vdrsloots.  By helping create an alibi for Joran, and 2 K, he was actually creating one for himself and GVC.  There must have been a communication failure because the story changed in the middle of Steve Croes' lie, somewhere along the way and he looked like a fool, but better a fool than a hung possumn.   jackb

Wow, I saw him online this morning.   :shock:

YES, I agree with all you stated.

Thank you Texasmom.

I find it very suspcious that attorney Eline Lotter Homan who represented Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was also the attorney who represented Steve Croes.  Karin Janssen would not allow the security guards to be represented by the same attorneys.

Beth questioned whether there was a Steve Croes/Geoffrey van Cromvoirt connection.

My theory implies that Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt assisted Paulus van der Sloot on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... asssisted Paulus van der Sloot in moving Natalee Holloway from the beach where Joran, Deepak and (?) had left her hidden at the beach in the mangrove bushes.
 
Janet

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Chris Lejuez
NANCY GRACE
June 17, 2005

LEJUEZ: I have been the defense attorney for both of them for the last two days. But as of tomorrow, I will be only for one of them, because apparently there will be a conflict of interest in defending them both. This has been told to me by the public prosecutor, so I will be resigning from one of the cases. I have no evidence yet that, that is the case, but I do take her word for it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/07/ng.01.html


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt/Steve Croes - Same Attorney

John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
April 19, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: John, what I heard a little bit earlier today from someone I spoke to in Aruba is that the lawyer for "G.V.C." is also the lawyer — it's a woman — who represented Steve Croes, who is the man who came forward with the false alibi to the police which supported lie number one of Deepak, Satish and Joran.  Do you know anything about the lawyer representing both Steve Croes and now "G.V.C."?  

KELLY: I know that's the situation. It's a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to "G.V.C.'s" attorney for review before they did go into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, Steve Croes, John — it was sort of a curious thing. He came forward seemingly out of the blue and said that he witnessed Deepak, Satish and Joran dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and stumbling, and then two security guards coming up. That was a complete lie that he sort of volunteered, went to the police. He was taken into custody. He was then released. Is he free and clear of all of this, or is he still somewhat in the mix?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html

 
John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
April 19, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

KELLY: I think that's right ...  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html


Steve Croes/Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - Connect the Dots

Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
April 18, 2005

TWITTY: ......And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect (GVC) and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html


Steve Croes - Suspicions

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt - Suspicions

Aruba Prosecutors Won't Comment on Outcome of van Cromvoirt Arrest
April 19, 2006

Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19, was led into an Aruban police station, hooded and in handcuffs Tuesday night after an Aruban judge spent the afternoon hearing arguments that he should remain in jail.

Aruban prosecutors would not comment on the outcome, but released a statement saying that he "is suspected of criminal offenses that may be related to the disappearance of Miss Holloway  and of offenses related to dealing in illegal narcotics."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1859711


Detainment - Strong/Serious Suspicions

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/

I'm using Minnesota Dad's thought print here. If Paulus is not arrested . . . it's all bullshit again.

I'll believe it when I see it. I thought the last time they re-arrested him that they could not do another "catch and release." I was wrong.  No cigars this time around for me!

nop...but I'll check it now!

I have Top 95 on...nothing yet, but I just clicked it on.

According to Nativelingo - Canal 90 is saying he was arrested this afternoon in the NL. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.canal90fm.aw/

Klaas, Could this be it?

Hi wreck....clap trap? maybe you were right after-all....I have thought your line of thinking was spot on from the get go and have not changed my mind.

Hopes have been dashed too many times.  I hope this is it.

Could the fish trap have been an iguana trap.  This post was from 12/2005 and talks about trapping iguanas, at LaCabana months earlier.

Our Trip to Heaven part 2
12/04/05
Submitted on Monday, December 19, 2005 by: Gina

One thing we noticed at LaCabana this trip was that there are far fewer Iguanas, I guess trapping them a few months back did the trick. We noticed that they love to hang out at the Pizza Shack to wait for any crumbs that fall to the ground.

http://tripreports.visitaruba.com/dynamic/servlet/ReportDetails?CAT_ID=24&ARTICLE_ID=963

What kind of cage would be used for an iguana and where would it have been kept? 

I agree.  Lets see how this unfolds.

I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet..We have all been through this too many times :( I am hoping that they did find usable DNA and it just took 3 months to conclude the testing. It would have to be Major new evidence for him to be arrested today!

I agree *******.  Maybe this time.

******* - in my opinion, the evidence would have to be indisputable. Like one in 50 quadrillion.

PLEASE: What is the country code?

Adress:
   Van Leeuwenhoekstraat 26
Oranjestad, Aruba
Tel.:
   828952, 824134
Fax.:
   837340
Emails:
   info@canal90fm.aw
Usa e email aki si tin cualkier pregunta.
     request@canal90fm.aw
Usa e email aki pa manda peticion.

Hi everyone --

Let's hope this is the news the family is waiting to hear.

I have a few questions while we're waiting:

which attorney said he had a heavy heart and wanted to tell Karen Jannsen, I believe, that his client had something to do with Natalee's disappearance, that the prosecution just had to prove it?

also, was van Loon ever questioned?

Thanks.

Me neither wreck.

Unless Deepak, Satish and Paulus are detained along with Joran ... I suspect that Aruba is only attempting to appease the family of Natalee Holloway.

The appeasement plan is to silence Beth by providing her with a measure of closure.  Think about it.  If Beth is silenced ... the Natalee Holloway case fades from public attention and ... Aruba once again becomes the "Happy Island".

Janet

++++++++

Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.


Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN:.......He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html


Junior - The Landfill Witness
On the Record w/ Greta
August 4, 2005

JUNIOR: Am I certain?  Yes, I am really sure.  That is why I think, today, “I’m sure, I’m sure. I have no doubt in my mind.” Yes. Also the father, I believe, yes, yes. Also him. I was even more sure it was this girl because now there were two cars. The Police have two cars--the red Jeep, which… I saw that. I saw that because the red Jeep was fine, but that came later, that was the next day. I was near the place where she was buried--may she rest in peace. I was there, maybe, nine days later.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his level of certainty?
 
JUNIOR: Am I certain?  Yes, I am really sure.  That is why I think, today, “I’m sure, I’m sure. I have no doubt in my mind.” Yes. Also the father, I believe, yes, yes. Also him. I was even more sure it was this girl because now there were two cars. The Police have two cars--the red Jeep, which… I saw that. I saw that because the red Jeep was fine, but that came later, that was the next day. I was near the place where she was buried--may she rest in peace. I was there, maybe, nine days later.

VAN SUSTEREN: If there were three, does the father make four, or, is the father one of the three?
 
JUNIOR: The father came in the Jeep. He got out of the car. He was standing there and he was pointing and asking things. I was working, you know, but he was far and he was talking. I was just working and looking. He kept asking if everything was okay. Yes, they asked him. I thought that they were asking him, that is what I thought they were doing, asking him, “Where? Where?”

Can't find anything yet in the regular sources we use for information; but I'll see if I can ask someone to make some calls. Don't know if they will....if they look at it as just an internetrumour they won't call his grandmother / lawyer etc.

011 + 297 + Area Code+ Tel #

DESTINY

00297

297

http://www.studyabroad.com/telcodes.html

AARRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH...All they have listed in website is number WITHOUT area code...ya got area code????

Antonio Carlo(Jorans Lawyer)relieved his conscious to KJ just a couple weeks after Natalee dissapeared. He said that Joran played a major role in Natalee's dissapearance but it was up to the prosecution to prove it.

We know from Beths book that he said they searched his boat and this was within the first few days. He told Beth well what about the Honda? Many of the earliest tips were about a yellow Range Rover with a boat and barrel in the back. I have never seen a PV on Vader Theodore Van loon.

GBMW Hi,
I have a source at CNN, I just emailed him.

011 + 297 + 8+ Tel #

there are problems with that.  first, taco. lies at the drop of a hat, so anything he says is twisted to exonerate jvds.  the shirt may well have gvc
's dna on it, but evidently doesn't have natalee's on it.  and i hardly think that having your face slapped for grinding against a girl qualifies anyone for the title of "earlier in the week boyfriend".
dennisintn

looks like this could be very significant

Antonio Carlo(Jorans Lawyer)relieved his conscious to KJ just a couple weeks after Natalee dissapeared. He said that Joran played a major role in Natalee's dissapearance but it was up to the prosecution to prove it.

We know from Beths book that he said they searched his boat and this was within the first few days. He told Beth well what about the Honda? Many of the earliest tips were about a yellow Range Rover with a boat and barrel in the back. I have never seen a PV on him though.
[/quote]

Thanks, ******* -- I was hoping the attorney was Chris Lejuez.  I went to the ColegeArubio web site posted earlier and found his picture there around 1988 or so, so I was thinking, "Well, Lejuez sure sounds French to me, maybe Shango thought Simian (the Frenchman) was Lejuez, and that this was Lejuez's way of getting information out there so the prosecution could nail'em, since Lejuez had a heavy heart, but I'm wrong, it's Carlo.

And if van Loon has never been taken in for questioning, and since I just read Beth's book over the weekend, I thought maybe he's "Daury."  His real name is Theodore, but he goes by Vadir?  What other nicknames might he have?

Joran van der Sloot's Attorney - Carlo Antonio

Peter Devries
MARTHA MACCALLUM
FOX NEWS
November 28, 2006

MARTHA: …could this be used against Joran Van Der Sloot at this point? From Aruba, on the phone is Peter De Vries, who is a Dutch crime reporter, who broke this story. Peter, good to have you with us today.

PETER: Hello, Martha, but I am not at Aruba…I am in Holland.

MARTHA: Alright, well good to have you from Holland!  Thank you ver much for being with us. Let me ask you this question, and I have gone through some of what you said about this already. But explain to our viewers exactly what you understand Joran’s lawyer told to Karin Janssen, the prosecutor.

PETER: Yeah, what I found out is that the lawyer of Joran, Mr. Carlo, made an appointment with head prosecutor, Karin Janssen. And he said he wanted to talk with her, and then she said, no, I cannot do that…that is highly unusual. We can’t talk during an investigation. But then he said, yeah, well, I have to talk to you…please. And, well, ok, then she admitted; and she said ok, you can come to my office.

And then the two had a talk, and Mr. Carlo said, yeah, I have to clear my conscience. I can tell you that, my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

And I want you to know that, and, of course, it is up to you to deliver the full proof for that. But I can tell you that…that…he is playing a major role in this.

MARTHA: Right. And your reporting says that happened in June, just a month after she disappeared…is that correct?

PETER: Yeah, it was shortly after the arrest of Joran.

MARTHA: Alright, tell me what you think he meant by: “played a major part?” Was there any elaboration on that, because I know you confronted him about this meeting.

PETER: Yeah, what I know, is that at least, Karin Janssen, the head prosecutor…understood this as, that he has guilt on the disappearance of Natalee .… that he has something to do with it.

So there is no misunderstanding about that, because when they didn’t manage to solve this case, Karin Janssen, also, wrote Mr. Carlo a letter…a couple of months later. And she said, can we please have a new talk about this? Can you please give some more details?

But then Mr. Carlo got scared, because he thought…that is what he understood…that it was a secret meeting…that she could talk. But when the head prosecutor was writing it…I mean a letter…it was no longer a secret.

MARTHA: Right…right…that made him nervous to think that about putting this down on paper. Peter De Vries, thank you so much for talking with us today.

nothing on canal 90 or Top 95.

just music and the normal babbling during the music.

I've been trying to call this number:

011 297 8 828952    not working on my cell phone    are we sure the area code is 8?   I have 5 for all my other Aruba numbers....

Thanks to all the Monkeys who replied to my first email ;-)

Yes,your right about Taco. In 2006 he tried to say there were witnesses that saw GVC with Natalee after Joran dropped her off and insuiating that GVC was on tape with NH. However out of everyone else he is the only one I can see as being called a Boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Hi Des, 011 and 297 are correct. Not sure about the #8.

I've been trying the *5*...am getting a busy signal...TY

Thanks, guys.  Carlo sure doesn't sound French to me!!

What do you think of van Loon being "Daury?"  I know you can't believe a thing coming out of Joran's mouth, but he did tell Patrick that "Daury" has never been questioned, and after Beth's reference in her book about van Loon, I have to wonder if he could be the one Joran called.  I was quite surprised when I read that part; I'd never heard about that encounter.  She is quite the woman, if you ask me.

Klaas -- any chance, that, though Chris Lejuez could be Simian??  (wrong thread, I know; sorry)

Also, I was thinking about Simian's post about staying overnight at KIA when it was inaugurated and others in "his" graduating class.  Obviously, we think he was a student, but maybe he was a teacher; teachers are quite possessive of their students/kids.  But, like I said, I found Chris Lejuez's picture as a student there around 1988.  So much to think about ... 

011 + 297 + 8+ Tel #

from this link: http://www.countrycodes.com/country.php?f=250&t=12&searchCountry.x=123&searchCountry.y=29

 :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Joran's been arrested???
I'm at work and just checked in!
Where did they find him???

Thanks, ******* -- I was hoping the attorney was Chris Lejuez.  I went to the ColegeArubio web site posted earlier and found his picture there around 1988 or so, so I was thinking, "Well, Lejuez sure sounds French to me, maybe Shango thought Simian (the Frenchman) was Lejuez, and that this was Lejuez's way of getting information out there so the prosecution could nail'em, since Lejuez had a heavy heart, but I'm wrong, it's Carlo.

And if van Loon has never been taken in for questioning, and since I just read Beth's book over the weekend, I thought maybe he's "Daury."  His real name is Theodore, but he goes by Vadir?  What other nicknames might he have?
[/quote]

I saw that pic of Chris Lejuez in the yearbook and I think they put out the wrong picture..As Chris is very fair skinned and White.

Vader Van Loon in Dutch means the Father of Money..The way he interacted with Beth and what we have seen the last 3 years,I do not think he has anything to do with this case.IMO I was suprised to see that Beth said he was also related to the Van Der Sloots.

Posted by Nativelingo at RU:

Stanley Arends is the one who mentioned it on Canal 90. It's not confirmed yet. It could just be a rumor to shift attention from other government issues happening here right now.....Strikes, etc. Who knows....

Thank you Klaas!!!!  :smt052

Not confirmed.  Nativelingo said it was reported on Canal 90 in Aruba but no confirmation that it's really true, could be a false rumor.

Hi CBB remember that same Radio station recently reported rumors that were never confirmed. I think last month they said that Natalee was buried on Lorenzo's property or something like that.

 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026 :smt026

vms, do you see him online currently?

i don't read anywhere about joran being arrested again.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/
http://www.nu.nl/
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/
http://teletekst.nos.nl/?101-01
http://www.rtl.nl/videotext/rtl4/pag101/01

about Peter de Witte.

the director of the dutch antilles and aruban coast guards (DKW NA&A) is always the commander of the dutch navy in the caribbean area (CZMCARIB). he is also commander of task group 4.4 (CTG 4.4).
F. Sijtsma was this from 2004-2007, then P.W. Lenselink took over.
http://www.marine.nl/overdemarine/admiraliteitsraad/c-carib/
Peter de Witte was acting director was for a period in around 2006 but the real director must have been Sijtsma.

here about the organistion in the KW NA&A:
http://www.kustwacht.an/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=89&Itemid=43

no less than 17 ministers of the three countries are involved.
in particular the three justice ministers (croes/ballin/dick).
also the procureur generaals and the governors of aruba and the antilles.
but ultimate responsibilty lies with the dutch defense minister (currently van middelkoop).

The only person that jumped out at me was Gino Hodge but he was not in that graduating class,but a few years later. He is GinoX at Racejunkies who was talking about Lorenzo a week before AG did,his brother is Pietjezz who said Lorenzo was involved. I saw others are at that site like Monica Kock and several other Ministers.

Thanks caesu.

No, showing Mobile now. Online at 8:28 AM. I saved it because of the rumors of hospitalization...

thanks vms

That would be 1:28 in the Afternoon Dutch time depending where you are located..Hopefully that is when he got a knock at his door  ::MonkeyWink::

Using the #5 instead of #8...the 8 only gets me a recording that my intl. call can't be made with this number, please check number.

#5 is in all the other Aruban numbers I have...using the #5 with both numbers listed on CANAL 90 site...one, no answer...other still busy....tried to look them up on Aruba yellowpages...I got no listing...sigh...will keep trying 'til someone else posts info...

Rumor or not, it is only a matter of time before the house of cards comes down. Mos has to make a move sooner or later, how long has it been since the video, a month or more?

Change that. Online NOW.

#1  He's not arrested
#2  Someone else is accessing his site (Valentijn, Paulus, etc)

vms: Did you see this on his myspaceprofile or his msn?

Could be. I am automatically signed into Messenger when I turn on the computer...

(http://i25.tinypic.com/331q3xd.jpg)

Negative.  I am 6'4" and had a conversation with Mos about his height.  He's got 3-4 inches on me

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Was the trap for sure a fish trap?  Could it have been an iguana trap?

Destiny

Phone # of The News (Margaret Weaver...AP)  582-4725

Diario  582-6747

I emailed 24ora

Should get enough interest that someone will confirm or deny.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sea Iguanas??  ::MonkeyConfused::

I was under the impression/assumption it was a fishtrap given the amount of rope and rigging it had.  To be fair, I've never heard of or seen an iguana trap, but I don't see why it would be build as it was, let alone be in the water and have the rope.. etc..

From what I have read that trap is useless in a place like Aruba.

Kyle: Is there anyway to guess how long that cage has been down there? I noticed it had a fair amount of barnicles and stuff on it,just curious if you could tell between a cage that has been on the bottom for 3 years as opposted to 10 or so?

Posted by Sunmoonstars at RU regarding Joran's arrest/non arrest:

I am told it is NOT true.

Edited to add:  Nativelingo heard it on the radio in Aruba.  Sunmoonstars has contact with some people in Aruba but no reason to believe her source is any more or less knowledgable than the Canal 90 report.

? 824134 ? Found this other number under Contact us
http://www.canal90fm.aw/index2.htm

Holy crap.....those Dutch are giants. I would probably only come up to his crotch area ... ewwwww  ::MonkeyEek::

So where did this rumor get started?  Hmmmmm.  :roll:

Joran arrested, is this confirmed?   Or just another BS story?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck ... apparently those little dinosaurs are everywhere in Aruba.  However ... I do not think there is any "good" reason why a "Iguana Trap/Cage" should be in the ocean.

Janet

+++++++++


http://www.avidcruiser.com/geoff/?p=479

Aruba
Jan 15th, 2008 by Geoff Edwards

The first time I was in Aruba it was solely focused on processing oil from Venezuela, 15 miles to the south. There were Iguanas, a hotel and casino, and lots of sand, and cacti. There was one funky restaurant on a hill near port that specialized in Iguana soup.

Evidentally, Canal 90 reported it this morning on the radio.  There has been no confirmation in any of the Dutch papers.  SMS is saying her source in Aruba is saying it's NOT true.  So...we wait and see.

Canal 90 in Aruba reported it.  Could be another BS story.

In some areas of Costa Rica the Iguana is on the Menu  :smt106  ::MonkeyWink::

I called Diario...talked with first person...then I was passed on to the second person...Lovely Lady...email me you you want her name for your files...she didn't know/hear anything about Urine being arrested...I told her it was supposedly reported by Canal 90...that I had been trying to call there...but number was busy...BUT...Lovely Lady was very excited to tell me...this is a quote....*we/paper HAVE been able to CONFIRM that Urine IS in German*....I'll keep trying radio station...Thanks!!!

Mos is probably just looking for a way to give joran another free trip to aruba for the spring recess. ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks BB...that's the # that has been busy for hours....the other # 828 952...I got through 2 times...hung up on both times....most of the time it just keeps ringing forever....

Thanks Destiny!   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyDance:: Destiny ROCKS!   :smt035

So Canal 90 reported it and a few in Aruba say it's true and some say it's not. Figures.  :roll:

So where were we before that news?  What were we talking about? Hmmmmm.

I have never seen either trap.  Just thinking it might have been obtained because it was easily available and not used.  From what I can find, those huge traps aren't used much for fishing the Caribbean, but I didn't find much.

Repeat of earlier post:

Could the fish trap have been an iguana trap.  This post was from 12/2005 and talks about trapping iguanas, at LaCabana months earlier.

Our Trip to Heaven part 2
12/04/05
Submitted on Monday, December 19, 2005 by: Gina

One thing we noticed at LaCabana this trip was that there are far fewer Iguanas, I guess trapping them a few months back did the trick. We noticed that they love to hang out at the Pizza Shack to wait for any crumbs that fall to the ground.

http://tripreports.visitaruba.com/dynamic/servlet/ReportDetails?CAT_ID=24&ARTICLE_ID=963

What kind of cage would be used for an iguana and where would it have been kept?

It seems to me that RU can find out real quick if true or not...don't they have several posters over there that know the Sloots personally?  Yep...that's what I thought.

Hello everyone. I came home to get some tools and I couldn't resist checking in and seeing whats up. I hope that is true about Joran, but I am with you in that I'll reserve my elation for later, when it is verified:)

I do have a favor to ask anyone who happens to be on at the same time as Kyle. I am curious what the circumstances were surrounding his leave from the boat he described during which the Dutch ship came close to the trap location. Was it scheduled, expected, normal, or out of the blue?

I was reading about Steve Croes and everyones investigation of him, and I noticed his age, and I wonder if he and Lorenzo are friends since they are the same age about. Anyway, I'll be back and keep up the good work. Everybody better behave because I heard Klaas has an internet electric keyboard shocker installed now, and if you don't mind, she can direct a electric charge from her machine to the offendings keyboard:) Don't make her use it:)

I like the way you think Lala's....LOL...

If wonder slut is in Germany - it's going to have to involve Interpol. No way around that unless he would surrender voluntarily.

Would that be true if he was renamed a suspect? Would there have been an agreement to permit travel?

maybe Rudy Croes ordered Hans Mos to start more Ditch-BS to divert attention from the Hendrik Croes hit-and-run story.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Steve Croes does know of Lorenzo as he told a poster here at SM that LVR use to DJ. Don't know how well they know each other because SGC is from Curacao,but they are about the same age and both like the partys and to party!

Hi Buckeye, he has not been convicted of a crime and not even charged unless you BELIEVE Jansen. So, he's Germany's problem apparently. He can go where he chooses. I don't see anything to prohibit his travel... unless it's to the US where we (US Authorities) apparently know something else about him.

As Spock would say - he's been released from formal suspect status and can not be harassed or questioned. He's free pending new evidence.

They lie about the travel permits,we were told after his first arrest he could only travel within the Netherlands/Aruba.But he came here to NY for that interview.

I believe he is in Germany as it makes the most sense. I would assume they would have to have the Germans cooperation in arresting him,but his next arrest should be the final nail in the coffin if it happens. As of right now I think Mr.Croes on the radio is FOS.

I thought he was renamed to formal suspect status after the tape.    ::MonkeyConfused::::MonkeyConfused::

KLASS....I spoke with M.Weaver for about 8 mins...she gave me some info...I don't know if I should put on list...it makes it to all the dark-side lists...she is also going to email me with a yea or nay email...I also got her married name...she just goes by her maiden name...I didn't know that...bet all you other Monkeys did...LOL at me...

So KLASS...where do you want me to send email to you...you decide if goes to list K?

Destiny wrote;

Sorry Destiny I finally did read back and see that you had already listed that telephone number.

I understand why you are confused. Mos said he is THE suspect, but did not say he was a suspect. Confusing to say the least. He was not renamed an official suspect, but in turn, he is the prime suspect, according to Mos.

Mos also said Joran knows every detail of what happened to Natalee Holloway.

Mos also said he knew Natalee was deceased, but never said how he knew.

Given the knowledge and rumors of Steve Croes supplying drugs to various tourists and such and LVR being the known drug supplier in the area...I would think they do indeed know each other.  OMG!   I may be in trouble now for mentioning he who must not be named.  ::MonkeyShocked::

::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for the warning PI, I'm on "best behavior", if a certain cryptic poster signs on, I'm signing off; or taping fingers together!
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

He was re-named a suspect and they said they were re-opening the case with 24 Detectives..Bla Bla Bla :( ..But maybe they didn't put any restrictions on him like after the first arrest?

well, the rearrest appears to have stemmed from an article on the previous arrest published this morning in, but nothing about a new arrest


and this arrest, if substantiated, may have nothing to do with natalee...the guy is on drugs, after all, and has advertised that fact like it was swiss cheese and not illegal substances he was defining as his habit of choice

Rob ... on February 15, 2008 ... the statement from the Prosecutor's Office stated that Joran van der Sloot was declared the "prime" suspect in the the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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February 15, 2008
Court of Appeal upholds lower judge’s decision not to detain J.v.d.S.
J.v.d.S remains prime suspect
Judicial investigation continues

The Court of Appeal announced by the end of yesterday, February 14th, 2008, its decision to uphold the refusal by the investigating judge to order pre-trial detention of J.v.d.S. in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Office of the Public Prosecutor had requested such an order after the “Peter R de Vries-tapes” had been received by the Office and had been evaluated. Last week the Office appealed the ruling of refusal by the judge.

The reasons underlying the Court’s decision are the following. The Court has seen the visual materials, has listened to the audio materials and has inspected the verbatim reports. Based on that, the Court is of the opinion that there is a lack of sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspect’s involvement in the crimes for which he is being held responsible by the prosecution. The Court will generally be a bit more hesitant when it has to decide on a new request for pre-trial detention of a suspect, when that same suspect has been detained repeatedly before and there has been a considerable lapse of time.

J.v.d.S. has given extensive and detailed statements in Patrick van der Eem’s car, the undercover citizen who worked for Peter R. de Vries, on what happened during the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Nevertheless the Court sees various reasons not to accept the serious grounds of suspicion which are statutorily required for pre-trial detention. One of them is the history of contradictory statements by J.v.d.S., which were belied repeatedly by objective findings.

At this moment those parts of the statements made in Van der Eem’s car which contain new elements are not being underpinned by objective findings. Considering the possibility of a serious personality disorder – as voiced by the prosecution – combined with a personal history of untrue statements and remarks, which even according to the suspect himself are frequently false, the Court of Appeal has reasons for doubt regarding the incriminating character of the “car-statements.”

On the pre-trial detention issue the Code of criminal procedure does not provide for further appeals. The effect of the Court decision is that J.v.d.S. cannot be (re)arrested. The investigation of the Natalee Holloway case continues. J.v.d.S. is again the prime suspect.  

At the end of the investigation the Office of the Public Prosecution will decide whether to charge or not/

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

We are really limited to ballpark estimates.  The trap wasn't recently lost, as in lost this season. If I had to guess based on the condition of the frame, mesh, rigging and contents, I would say it has been there on the order of several years, but certainly not 10s of years, and certainly more than a year. The amount of deterioration is in my opinion consistent with what you would expect after 2 1/2 years, but this does not confirm or deny anything and is just my opinion.

Thanks OE!...That was my guess too...based on scuba diving my whole life...

bringing this over from 10 days ago...

As some of you know, I follow the site meter quite often here. I am going to go out on a limb and take a guess that IF Joran is in Germany, then he is in Kassel, which is located in Deutschland, I believe.

email me at smklaas@hotmail.com

The question is does M.Weaver know that it may be posted in a forum.

As many pics as we have seen of Steve Croes being at C+C's (Coolaruba.com) I would have to agree that at one time or another they have been acquainted. JMO

Janet, thanks for the reply.... and yes, you're right also. I made another post to clarify that.

In this instance, Mos is saying that he (Mos) knows more than we do and that has led to Joran being the prime suspect in the case. He has nothing that raises to the level that gets Joran back to formal status. He's everyone's prime suspect. And that's a nice way to tell us all that Mos is still working the case while not accumulating enough to actually charge Joran or enough evidence to present to the judge of instruction to place the formal tag back on Joran.

Make sense?

No...doesn't know...and she did even ask for my email addy...to send some info...as soon as she gets her reply...don't want to mess this up...ya know what I mean?  Lord...people just love to talk to me...

After the Jan 7th dive, I was scheduled to take a short break on land, staying at the Holiday Inn between Jan 9th and returning to the Persistence on Jan 14th.  I had been working steadily since Dec 15th and needed a break.  It was a coincidence I was around to be walking the beach to observe what I saw with the vessel at or near the site on the 11th and 12th of Jan.  I don't know for certain if there is anything to it.  When asked if they were diving the site, they replied: "we don't have dive capabilities". 

Thanks! I was figuring about the same,but wasn't sure if it could have been 10 years or so.

Was that cage intact/closed when you viewed it? Just wondering if it was,because that would help keep everything in the cage that was originally placed there. Also it would keep out the large fish that live at that depth.

Are they viewing the cage? I have seen Kassel on the sitemeter often last year but they never viewed anything very long.

Lala's I believe it is safe to discuss any possible/probable suspects without fear of being attacked.  I have seen that name mentioned quite a bit lately without problems.   
::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyHaHa::...Thanks for checking in to that ...

It's possible to have been 10 years or so.  I don't know for certain and don't have any way to readily test this. The trap was somewhat intact.  It's north side was in poor shape, with significant deterioration of it's northern panels.  The trap's doop is usually fastened to the outside of the trap.  It was laying inside the trap, as if pushed open. The contents sampled inside the trap were laying on top of the door.  The trap was found in 90 ft.

Nice job Destiny. I've always felt she was more of a journalist than the females from the trash publications.  I didn't know her married name or if I did, I forgot it.

KLAAS Please check your email....Thanks

Here's is my take... please feel free to disagree.

PRIME SUSPECT - STRONG SUSPICIONS. Everyone suspects a certain person of wrong doing. Not official. This can not lead to a charge independent of the next step, which would be ->

FORMAL SUSPECT STATUS - STRONG EVIDENCE - A case is being assembled and the charges may be reduced or increased depending on the evidence present and allowed into court by the judge of instruction. The evidence would need to lead a reasonable judge to conclude the charges are correct and the outcome could be a conviction. If the evidence is not there to lead the judge to a conviction, all proceeding would halt while investigations continue and evidence collected.

It doesn't seem to me that a trial will take place unless there is ample opportunity for conviction. The court does not want to appear to waste time and resources on a case that will end in acquittal. So, investigations continue and only when new evidence is collected will Joran be elevated to the formal status. Then a possible trial would occur if the evidence is deemed heavy enough to get a conviction.

I don't think formal status necessarily indicates a trial.  It didn't before.  But it can permit tapping of phones etc.  I agree there won't be a trial without "evidence" but that is a separate issue from suspect status IMO.

I wonder if it suffered damage from being dropped 90 feet or just wear and tear from years down on the ocean floor? Or possibly just discarded from a ship getting rid of it and was already in bad condition? That was a big heavy cage and in Aruba it would probably just sit around forever and never be used.IMO


If there was Human Remains found in that cage Bud Larson would be on the top of my list of people that it could be. He was last seen June 9, 1999

Willard Buddy Larson went missing after a public fight with the rental office at the Windsurf Village board shop,where he was to get the windsurfing equipment. They did not have the equipment he had reserved so he got into an altercation with them and left. He disappeared somewhere between the rental office and his hotel...

He never returned to the hotel, and the hotel filed a missing persons report that was ignored by the police till the family arrived and had to search on their own. When they rented out his room,the next group of tourists found his wallet in the couch.

KLAAS...I replied to you...ball is still in your park...

Rob ... you are correct.  There is another level of suspicion that would warrant a suspect to be detained.  I would imagine that this would warranted the titled of "formal" suspect.

Janet

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Detainment/Arrest - Strong/SeriousSuspicions

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
NANCY GRACE
July 20, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS-SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: There is no grand jury in Aruba. It`s a different system.  You are arrested based on suspicion, on strong suspicion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/14/ng.01.html


Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/

#  Helen Larson on June 6th, 2005 11:23 pm

The Larson family’s prayers are with the Holloway family as they suffer through through this tragic ordeal. We also had a family member go missing in Aruba in June of 1999. Willard “Bud” Larson. God Bless.

Of course it would lead to all investigative techniques available, phone taps, surveillance, etc...which are not allowed currently. Those can not occur while he has his letter releasing him from formal suspect status. That letter needs to be revoked or he would probably need to be formally charged with a specific crime(s) in order to be re-detained. I suspect the latter would have to occur

When Joran was under formal status, his evidence has to keep meeting a higher bar. When it did not, he was released under formal status and was free to travel in the Kingdom. When he got his letter, he was released from formal suspect status and free to move on with his life.

Willard "Bud" Larson is on the top of my list too... or an unknown Aruban. Either way - I hope someone is found and return to their loved ones.

Not since I posted that 10 days ago (that I have observed), but several times before that. Not recently. It was just a guess...we don't get a lot on the meter from Germany...it stood out like a sore thumb.

Hello Monkeys...Thanks for your feedback Klass!

Well...here goes...from my notes taken while on phone...

I spoke with a *source in Aruba* this afternoon...I told them I was calling regarding the report by CANAL 90, of Joran being arrested today...my *Aruban source* said they had received several calls about the same thing and were trying to get the info too..and were in the process of investigating it.
She then called the prosecutors office, and spoke with him...he told her that they didn't issue any orders for Joran to be arrested...but, that they were waiting for a return call from the embassy, to find out if Joran was arrested on some other charge than the NH case...

She told me that she called the AP in Amsterdam and is awaiting for a reply from them...she said she would email me...she asked for my email..I did not offer it to her...and tell me what is going on...she said it seems that this rumor, her words> "if it is a rumor" has some people stirred up...she said if she gets her reply before she leaves...she'll drop a quick email...or do it tomorrow...

Dj Diablo and Loco Stef party it up as usual.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6018/diabloqs4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

OE,  did that make sense to you?  How could they not have dive capabilites, if you are talking about scuba divers, etc.  They are everywhere there. Didn't they also participate in the dive on Dec. 30th?  It just gets stranger and stranger to me.

Hi Kyle.  It's me ... Tamikosmom ... your worst nightmare.

I sincerely tried to spare you from my prying questions but ... I lack self discipline ... I am so nosy.

Were any members of the Persistence present when the Arubans took possessin of the contents of the cage/trap?  Were the contents itemized ... photos taken?  Was an authorized receipt obtained?

In other words ... was there an official chain of command that went from the Persistence to the Arubans or ... did the Persistence not have any control?

Janet

Art Harris from CNN emailed me back and he hasn't heard anything about Joran being arrested or re-detained.

whoa.....steffi has lost some baggage.

Thanks Destiny! It doesn't appear that Joran was arrested :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

The search for Natalee Holloway
It's the story you haven't heard: the tale of two parents who, even now, willgo anywhere -- and endure anything -- to find answers.

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

On Dec. 30, off the coast of Aruba, divers from the Aruban police force and the research vessel Persistence were about to make a crucial dive on a promising target in the search for Natalee Holloway.

The researchers had discovered a fish trap about 90 feet below the surface in almost the exact spot search expert Tim Miller had theorized Natalee’s body might be.

Team leader Tim Trahan suited up to join the Aruban police divers. As Tim Miller wished him well, the divers hit the water and the ROV was sent down to capture what would happen for everyone watching on board.

Thanks *******. :-(

Thanks Tamikosmom, that is what I thought.  Why would they say such a thing?  Hell, why do they say so much of anything?  None of it makes sense. 

Cocaine- It does a body good!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

The new *Jenny Crank* spokesmodels...

Special thanks to Destiny and ... all the Monkeys who attempted to confirm the rumor than Joran was again detained.

Janet

The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division.  It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site.  This was 12 and 13 days later.  Coincidence perhaps? 

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Then...we have to thank the Prosecutor of Aruba...he's trying to find out too!!!    LOL...

lol Jenny Crank!  Can I use that one?

She may gnaw off her right arm soon..But at least she is skinny now  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you Kyle.

Janet

I am not sure i understand. Were you told the coast guard had no dive capabilities or the aruban police or both?

This is from a dutch interview with hans mos

Hans mos says: At the end of december Persistence found the cage. He was contacted about possibility of cloth being in the cage.(He doesn't mantion a skull just cloth)
In the first days of jan. as the seas were calmer a dive team from aruban police went to the spot again
(no mention of divers from Persistence)
Sample of cloth was taken and sent to FBI. tests took 1 month but did not match the dupilcate set of Natalee's clothing that the FBI was given by Beth Holloway

Lmaoooo, that was funny!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yes you may...'tis the diet of choice up here on the mountain...

Naaaaa...but...the guy who wakes up next to her, after a night of heavy drinking... may do that to himself...to get away...

I've got your back, Lala's!  I'll go so far as to say EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY.

Coast guard.

It appears from this official statement from the Prosecutor's Office that only fabric was sent to the FBI Laboratory for forensic testing.  The FBI Laboratory received the fabric two weeks following the January 7, 2005 recovery.

Janet

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Postbus 1163, Oranjestad, Aruba
Havenstraat 2
Oranjestad
Aruba
To All media
From The Public Prosecutor’s Office
Date February 26, 2008
Pages 1

The Aruban Police requested the FBI Laboratory to process the cloth, because the Laboratory already had a sample of the exact match of the type of material of Natalee Holloway’s blouse. The FBI Laboratory received that material on the 22nd of January 2008.

On the 25th of February 2008, the Prosecutors’ Office received the official report from the FBI Laboratory that showed that the two materials were not a match.

Wow, Monkeys.  I go off to earn an honest living and come back to find that I have a virtual book to read in order to catch up.  I have suspected GVC since Urine's video performance.  I believe that he told Patrick that Daury worked for a water sports company that had access to banana boats and stuff.  That would have been GVC's job.  I eventual shifted back to Koen because Urine said that Daury was someone that he had known since he was a baby.  Is it possible that he was combining two people - GVC and Koen or Koen and Steve Croes?  I have also wondered if GVC was the source of the drug that was given to Natalee and that he took part in the coverup because he was involved through providing the drug.  GVC and Koen could also have been waiting at Urine's apartment that night when the Kalpoes "didn't stop or go in".  I read somewhere that Koen was reported as doing homework at Urine's apartment when Urine left for C&Cs.  According to Kyle, that trap is just way too big for Koen's boat. 
I don't like those cryptic games, either.  Geneology research in other countries is different because they were constantly changing the spellings of names.  If Fin knows something then he should share it.

Well Dang OE...we otter raise some funds, to teach them thar coast guard dudes how to swim....

The Coast Guard is not the same as the Aruba police dive division.  It seemed very odd to be told they don't have dive capabilities, especially after they told us it would take about 10-14 days to get a Dutch forensic team on site.  This was 12 and 13 days later.  Coincidence perhaps? 


Why would they need a special Dutch forensic team and be willing to wait 10-14 days if there was just a piece of cloth in the trap?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Thx.
I know the dutch navy has divers and i read somewhere that they cant dive below 15 meters (50 feet) unless a decompression tank is available. I ll see if i can find something on coastguard divers.

I would assume if the crew of the Persistence were afforded the services of the Aruban Police Dive Team in the search effort ... the Aruban/Dutch coast guard would have been afforded the same in a recovery effort.

It would have been one thing if Hans Mos had just denied that anything was going on in regards to the Coastguard vessel being anchored in the vicinity of where the trap/cage was located but ... to respond to a query that the Coastguard did not have any diving ability was very lame ... very suspicious.

Janet

SS: I wouldn't leave Lorenzo out of the equation at all as I think Joran was reffering to 2 people as Daury,Lorenzo and his Father.IMO Even Anita said Joran knew LVR as a young boy,plus he is older and would be the type that Joran has stuff on. Not to mention the strong rumors of there relation and Jossy telling us they are close and seen together often.
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Was Natalee last prey? (Telegraaf)

Mother missing american: this boy is not the perpetrator

Beaches of Aruba hunting-fields of Geoffrey van C.

written by: Oscar van Dam and Bart Olmer (translation as always by Rammstein)

AMSTERDAM - Geoffrey van C., the 19 year old Aruban beachpatrol guard, who was arrested in the mysterious disappearance of the American schoolgirl Natalee Holloways, is an offspring of a dutch family that have a long history in the dutch police-force. His sister is police-officer on Aruba. His dad was a cop in Breda for about 20 years. On Aruba Geoffrey's dad owns a security company, Geoffrey has worked for this security company.

Did Geoffrey van C. avoid arrest due to his families police-contacts? That is at least what arubans have been whispering about after Geoffrey's arrest on saturday. The rumours about favoritism are fed by pictures in which Geoffrey is seen at the inauguration of his sister into the policeforce, all around him are police-officials and high ranking Aruban officials. And what about the friendship between Geoffrey and investigating cop's son Gerold Dompig, the man who untill recently headed the Holloway investigation?

Sport

Together with Dompig's son, Geoffrey made a sport of it to seduce American girls on the Aruban beaches, at least that is what an aruban newspaper has reported. The boys impersonated police-officers or detectives when talking to these girls.

According to rumours, van der C. also had close ties to former main suspect Joran van der Sloot. Not withstanding all the above mentioned facts, Geoffrey was never interrogated untill last weekend. The family of C. moved to Aruba in 1999. Shortly before they departed his father started his own security company called 'Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen' (VCB) (in English that means Video Camera Securitysystems).

On the Antilles his company VCB handles the security of several government buildings and hotels, among them the Holiday Inn Hotel, where 'high school-beauty' Natalee Holloway stayed untill her disappearance on may 30th 2005. The video camera's of his company made the last images known of the american schoolgirl. Natalee disappeared after a visit to the beach where Geoffrey patrolled when he worked for his father's company VCB, he worked for the high-visibility team.

This unit protects the tourists on the powderwhite carribean beaches on Aruba. The detective-squad that has been investigating the disappearance of Natalee, has - according to unverified media-claims - a T-shirt with bloodevidence with the VCB logo on it, that supposedly was from guard Geoffrey.

The DA's office officially suspects him of being involved in the disappearance of the american girl and drugstrade offences. According to police-sources, Natalee was drugged with XTC, sexually abused and dumped. The arrest of Geoffrey van C. comes after months of relative silence, in which the investigation seemed not to be moving forward.

The DA's office is keeping tight-lipped about the evidence they have against this new suspect. His laywer, mr. Eline Lotter Homan refused to comment. Earlier the police arrested dutchman Joran van der Sloot (18) and the 2 surinam brothers Satish (18) and Deepak (21). With these three boys Natalee was last seen leaving a nightclub in Oranjestad.

Beth Twitty, the mother of the missing girl, is "guardedly optimistic" with the new developements. But she thinks that the newly arrested boy isn't the perpetrator but a witness that withheld important information about the case. The mother still believes that Joran, Deepak and Satish are the keys to cracking this mysterious case wide open.

According to lawyer mr. Joseph Tacopina, his client doesn't know the arrested Geoffrey van der C. The lawyer compliments the newly appointed leader of the investigation with following up leads earlier ignored in this difficult investigation. From his own investigation Tacopina claims that Natalee had contact with the new suspect during the first days of her stay on Aruba but so far there is no confirmation of these claims.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/common/jsp/print/printTemplate.jsp?artId=38460631&secId=28781

I agree *******.

Janet

Here's some more solagnier + aruba.  It's about as clear as mud.  This ancestral data is so old. 

http://www.geocities.com/genaruba/Page5_29.html

28.   Casper Theodorus Croes, born 17 mei 1825 in Aruba46; died 13 juli 1889 in Aruba46.  He was the son of 56. Frans Muller Croes and 57. Catharina Theresa Tromp.  He married 29. Regina Jacomina Ravine 11 augustus 1847 in Aruba47.
29.  Regina Jacomina Ravine, born Abt. 1824 in Aruba48; died 18 oktober 1897 in Aruba48.  She was the daughter of 58. Paulus Ravine and 59. Maria Margaretha Solagnier.

Children of Casper Croes and Regina Ravine are:
  i. Jan Croes, born 11 januari 1848 in Aruba49; died 02 januari 1918 in Aruba50; married Abeona Croes 23 juni 1869 in Aruba51; born 19 oktober 1851 in Aruba52; died 06 oktober 1926 in Aruba53.
14 ii. Johannes Nicolaas Croes, born 29 september 1863 in Aruba; died 23 maart 1947 in Aruba; married Theolinda Robustiana Lampe 24 september 1884 in Aruba.

http://www.geocities.com/genaruba/Page12_29.html

118.  Michel Benoit Solagnier, born 09 juni 1754 in Marseille, France112; died 28 april 1831 in Aruba112.  He married 119. Regina Jacomina Croes.
119.  Regina Jacomina Croes, born 14 oktober 1781113; died Bef. 1831113.  She was the daughter of 108. Nicolaas Croes and 109. Maria Elizabeth van der Biest.

Child of Michel Solagnier and Regina Croes is:
59 i. Maria Margaretha Solagnier, born 25 mei 1804; died 29 oktober 1861 in Aruba; married Paulus Ravine 16 augustus 1826 in Aruba.

yep a box of loreal $5.00 ,a few grams of crack $50.00, another identity=PRICELESS

I WANT TO KNOW!

I really do believe what I was told on the phone today...why would Hans start calling Embassies to find out if Urine was arrested, based on a tiny rumor, that it was reported on a tiny radio station...that no one has been able to confirm....

My other contact today was from the Diario...I was told that they *had confirmed* that Urine is in Germany...

Why doesn't the prosecutor, of such a high profile case *not know* what is going on, without having to call other countries to find out...why?   The hen house has been raided...who's watching the fox.....I want to know...

Valenjtin has divers certification, maybe he can join the coast guard and give 'em a hand.   jackb

According to the last reports Joran is not in Den Dolder but near Utrecht
It is a complex for people with drug problems
It belongs to Altrecht and centre Maliebaan.
Posted by Johan555

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.200

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/blauwehuis2kopiekop.jpg?t=1205961482)

I don't know who the ex-monkey is, but Fin has to be talking about Steve Cores as the "Fifth".  There just isn't any recent genealogy information on the Internet about recent generations of the Cores or Solagnier/Solognier families.  There's lots of dirt about the Solagniers and the Mansurs in those links that I left put on the last thread.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.

CNN spoke with his next-door neighbor, who identified himself as Rufo Solognier. He identified the person arrested as his nephew Steve Croes and described him as a quiet, divorced father of a 2-year-old son.

The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.

Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others in custody.

Croes' boss on the Tattoo cruise ship, Marcus Williams, told CNN the boat generally does not go out on Sunday nights.

Even when the boat does go out on Sundays, it returns by midnight, Williams said.

The boat docks about 300 meters, or about 1,000 feet, from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.

It was about 1:30 a.m. Monday May 30 that Holloway was last seen leaving the nightclub Carlos'N Charlie's with three young men, police said. (Full story)

Police commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said Croes' arrest came after he was named by one of the three suspects being held.

Well, it's about time that his parents did something about the substance abuse.  Urine has had a drink in his hand in the majority of the pictures that I've seen of him and he was only in high school.  I wonder if Taco Joe made this suggestion.  I smell a court defense where he was not responsible for his behaviors because of drug/alcohol  addiction.

Right SS, should it ever get to a trial and a conviction, they will claim mental impairment. No doubt... and who could argue? That boy is a nutball... a crazy dangerous nutball.

this place johan555 mentioned is actually in utrecht - eastern outskirt lunetten.

is has some kind of farm (blauw huis):
http://www.sbwu.nl/files/pdf/sbwu_locatieblauwehuis1.pdf (PDF)

but also more standard building:
http://www.centrummaliebaan.nl/centrummaliebaan_C01/Modules/ItembankA/ItembankA_Item.asp?CustID=514&ComID=1&ModID=1026&ItemID=3219&SessionID=734992760918528426848652129&Time=232320

den dolder is also near utrecht. north-east of utrecht.
on the alrecht w.a. hoeve location mentioned in the Privé tabloid is also a maliebaan building.

east of utrecht direction of den dolder is filled with that kind of mental institutions of for the disabled/blind.
that part of the country close to the veluwe a forrest/rural kind of area popular spot for such places.

so if someone has to make a wild guess in which institution he is - east of utrecht would be a good chance.

I heard Satish is in therapy too...

The Ghostwhisperer is trying to coax him outta his shell and 16th grade. LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Joran is not being "detained" for drug treatment -- it's for "Foot-in-Mouth" disease. Locking him up is the only way to keep him quiet.

Is this from C&C's?Steve Croes is also back to DJ'ing on the Tattoo.

Posting to my own post...is that crazy or what!

When I spoke with Diario...I asked if it was true that Urine was in a *mental* hospital...I was told...I talked with his parents...they *refused* to confirm that....but, by our own ivestigation...*we did confirm that Joran is in Germany*...

I want to hop on a plane and go find the chit myself!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, another arrest was made in the Holloway case but party boat DJ Steve Croes was he an innocent bystander or was he part of a conspiracy?

<snipped>

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know the guy. I've never met him before.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know this guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know this guy and I never talked to him before in my life.

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Three weeks into the Natalee Holloway investigation the two innocent security guards had been arrested and then released. Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were in jail.

Then came a new development. Police arrested an Aruban DJ who worked on the party boat Tattoo. We sat down with Joran van der Sloot and asked him about Steve Croes.

<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know the DJ for the Tattoo, the party boat?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's another thing that, you know, we talked about that I wanted to talk to you about too. I mean that's — like I even feel, I feel horrible for too. I mean he was just trying — trying to help. I don't know the guy. I've never met him before.

VAN SUSTEREN: You don't know this guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know this guy and I never talked to him before in my life.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if Deepak knows him?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know if Deepak knew him. All that happened this one day he called me and he said, you know, "I got the jackpot" and I was like "Yes, what happened?" He's like, "Oh, don't worry. I'm going to come — I'm going to come to your house and tell you."

And then he came to me and he said that someone had come up to him and said that he saw us, that he'd seen us drop the girl off at the Holiday Inn and that he would — and that, yes, if there was anything he'd testify to that to police. That's what Deepak told me. So, I was like, you know, OK. That's great.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, Deepak was adding to the lie essentially coming up with a corroboration of the lie, the Holiday Inn's lie.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, you know, he talked to the — I don't know what - - I wasn't there when he talked to Steve Croes. I don't know what went along with him but, you know, he just talked to Deepak and he came, yes, and that Steve Croes ended up saying that he saw us dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn. And they talked for — I mean they held him for ten days too. I mean that's — that's not — that's not fun to be in jail at all. They talked to him for ten days.

VAN SUSTEREN: But he had — but he had lied. I mean they caught him in that lie.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, and then by that time we changed our declaration already. I mean, I mean he lied, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, I take it that Deepak told you that between May 30th and June 9th...

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: ...told you the story about the Tattoo boat. Did you ask him how he knew the guy?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, he told me he didn't know the guy.

VAN SUSTEREN: The guy just spontaneously came up to him?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, at work. That's what he told me. The guy (INAUDIBLE) came up to him at work and told him that.

VAN SUSTEREN: I assume you thought that was odd.

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I don't know. I mean I don't know if that's true or not. I never met the guy before.

Monkeys...please excuse my rants...I made myself a Martini...I think the *olives* are getting to me....

this place johan555 mentioned is actually in utrecht - eastern outskirt lunetten.

is has some kind of farm (blauw huis):
http://www.sbwu.nl/files/pdf/sbwu_locatieblauwehuis1.pdf (PDF)

but also more standard building:
http://www.centrummaliebaan.nl/centrummaliebaan_C01/Modules/ItembankA/ItembankA_Item.asp?CustID=514&ComID=1&ModID=1026&ItemID=3219&SessionID=734992760918528426848652129&Time=232320

den dolder is also near utrecht. north-east of utrecht.
on the alrecht w.a. hoeve location mentioned in the Privé tabloid is also a maliebaan building.

east of utrecht direction of den dolder is filled with that kind of mental institutions of for the disabled/blind.
that part of the country close to the veluwe a forrest/rural kind of area popular spot for such places.

so if someone has to make a wild guess in which institution he is - east of utrecht would be a good chance.


It looks like some kind of agriculture and irrigation is going on to the right of the building.  Maybe digging in the dirt is part of the therapy.  I wonder he's growing marijuanna in his corner of the garden, like his big brother Lorenzo.

If Joran is in the Utrecht Facility they have just about everything in this place,although I didn't see anything about Drug addiction,but they have both long and temporairy care. If he is here its probably light therapy,vocational help,that treats addictions and behavioral problems for 18-25 year olds. A good place to keep him away for a few months if you wanted to shut him up from the media and waiting for the De Vries tapes to blow over. He could probably even keep his phone and be in daily contact with his parents.

Utrecht location
Acute Psychicatry,Altrecht Talent(Assisted vocational,Rehab.etc),Bipolar,ADHD,Anxiety/Mood disorders,Jongvolwassenen (18-23 years with severe mental or psychosocial problems and a branch for psychotic therapy.

    
The department Wier in Den Dolder, is one of the five centres in the Netherlands with a recognition for observation, diagnosis and treatment of Strong Behavioral Gestoorde and Light Mentally Disabled. (S.G.L.V.G.),serious psychiatric illnesses,diagnosis, treatment, counselling and rehabilitation for people with problems in the field of psychiatry and addiction.

Wier is a research and behandelafdeling learner difficult for people who have serious problems. It is a closed section, which is located at the site of the William Arntsz Farm in Den Dolder.

We treat people with an IQ between 50 and 75, with whom the deal as very problematic. The origin of the problem lies in the person himself, his or her environment, and / or in the interaction between individual and environment. We have also written a number of clients with an IQ of 90 in progress, or because they are perceived by their problems better connect within the care for the mentally disabled. The age of the audience is between 16-55 years. The patients are from North Holland, Utrecht of Flevoland.

http://www.werkenbijaltrecht.nl/

No doubt Satish is in therapy dur to the mental anguish and stress that was brought about by Dr. Phil's allegations.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mambo's I believe..Yes he's a pro cool DJ and swings from place to place. He probably has all that expensive DJ equipment..I wonder where he got the money?

I saw the Tatoo today in the paper..They had a party of over 200 people and interviewed Marcus Wiggins.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Desiny ... I am just part way through a caffeinated Starbuck's grande latte that DIL brought me on her way home from school ... she is a teacher.  I do believe that the steamed milk is getting to me.  I am on a high.

I think you should stay clear of those olives and ... no more steamed milk for me.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

nicely situated in between crazy busy north-south and very busy east-west highway and the major north-south railway.
must be the noisiest place in the country.
but enough ditches to bury himself in around so still a familiar environment for him.
(http://xs125.xs.to/xs125/08124/ss003315.png)
i prefer him to be here in lunetten because den dolder is much more quiet.

Coolaruba site has pictures of the "New" Tatoo. I guess since he hasn't been able to sell it, they may have renovated and call it "new" . ::MonkeyEek::

What about Interpol?  Couldn't they have asked for help?  Or the FBI?  Doesn't the FBI have dive team?  Maybe a neighboring island?  Some sort of mutual cooperation compact they could take advantage of?

Is it a cultural thing that they wouldn't need a search/recovery dive team?  Maybe no one ever looks to retrieve what has been lost/tossed in the ocean?

This reminds me of the waiting list for search dogs.

*******, if Joran is in the loony bin, I would hope that the taxpayers are not paying for it... and it's putting a bigger kink in the Sloot's bank account!

maybe the haters should pass the love bowl for the 39th time.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: (http://bestsmileys.com/school/5.gif)  ::MonkeyLaugh::
good one Rob, lol.

I watched the video of the Drinking,Music and the Limbo..Yup all new for the Tatoo  ::MonkeyHaHa::

That boat that brings people out I would imagine would of been easily accessible for SGC..Looks fairly quick and easily could fit a large cage.

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4345/tatoo1vq3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

   

Does that mean the rest of them should sign into nut houses too?  It might work.  It seems they will have to add some rooms on, but hey, the Cromvroits and Anita's folks may have the bread to accomodate.  The rest of them will get free room and board to keep quiet.   Jackb

Klaas and Rob....sorry to be O/T , but thought you would like to see this..I have been waiting for something to be posted online and will update later as more comes out, this is the first that has appeared online.... it happened around 1:40 this afternoon....



http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=8042266

Does Wiggins still own the Tattoo?

Thanks Cubbee - finally!

Well, all I can say is they better watch their farm animals.  Joran seems to have to do his thing.  Jack b

Yes, it was a very bittersweet day... now we need to get justice for Natalee.....

thanks from me too... I was on the Three Arguidos forum and almost missed this... thanks again Cubbee!!!

That bud light clamito beer sounds good.  I might try that one of these days.  j/b

you got it!!! I think others got it too... but it was just too boring for them ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess we're boring Nut LOL

Someone on beach patrol would probably know where the big cage was stored.  Would anyone miss the cage?  Perhaps it was forgotten or abandoned?  Already in the water somewhere? 

IIRC, beach patrol used ATVs to get around, and probably could move the cage into position as well. 

Beach people, I imagine, would probably have a few clues about the busy beaches that time of the week, and with the festival.  A lot of knowledge and access.

Just posted on the front page of SM:

Gene wrote:


He WAS rearrested! and they are holding a hearing Friday at 10am.There seems to be new information that has been leaked:

De bemanning van een Amerikaans onderzoeksschip is gestopt met het zoeken naar het lichaam van Natalee Holloway in de zee rondom Aruba. Het vaartuig heeft koers gezet richting Louisiana in de Verenigde Staten.
Onlangs benadrukten de vader en moeder van Natalee Holloway nog dat ze de zoektocht naar hun vermiste dochter zullen doorzetten. Maar de bemanning, die sinds december vorig jaar nauwgezet de zeebodem bij Aruba scant, is door het geld van Amerikaanse donateurs heen. De kosten zouden al enkele miljoenen dollars bedragen.
De familie van Holloway is ervan overtuigd dat het lichaam van Natalee door een of meerdere handlangers van Joran van der Sloot in zee is gedumpt. Van der Sloot zou de laatste persoon zijn die de Amerikaanse levend heeft gezien.


Mar 19, 5:37 PM

Through translator:

The crew of an American research has stopped searching for the body of Natalee Holloway in the sea around Aruba. The vessel has put price direction Louisiana in the United States.
Recently stressed the father and mother of Natalee Holloway still that they search for their missing daughter will continue. But the crew, who since December last year scrupulously scan the seabed in Aruba, is the money of American supporters chain. The cost would be several million dollars.
The family of Holloway is convinced that the body of Natalee by one or more accomplices of Joran van der Sloot is dumped into the sea. Van der Sloot, the last person who has seen the American alive


Not sure what this old information has to do with Joran being arrested (or not) today   ::MonkeyRoll::

life of being raped repeatedly some how seems too good to me....

I was hoping for a long slow painful excruciating execution.

if that makes me a bad person - I can live with that.

Personally I think he's in Germany with Uncle Frans,Jan,Hans or whoever but that place in Utrecht has it all. They even have vocational training/career assisting for young men with past problems. He doesn't have to be in a lockup/loony bin there,but a short term type center where he interacts with people his age and psychologists. They may even have a drug addiction center also.
======================

I see Jan Van Der Sloot is a lead consultant for the Ministry of Defense (IT)

http://tinyurl.com/2leyzn

Believe me Rob.... this one was all my pleasure!!!
I will post other articles and/or videos when they are up on Kaitlin's thread...

Not bad at all Rob.... kinda thinking like me.... but they already have a cell ready for him at Angola and the welcoming committee is waiting to welcome him.....here comes da bride....
 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Oh, that picture is a gem.  The ferry boat could easily hold something 7.5 x 7.5.  Look how many people are in there.  Tatoo's owner said that there was a security system on the Tatoo at night, but I wonder about the ferry boat.  *******, you might have hit on something.

new meat Wednesday? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Steve Croes looks like a freak.....he has no shoulders.

 

Boring, not at all.  I laughed out loud for sure.   jackb

Hi Magnolia...I "normally" don't like to comment on someone's appearance, but you have to admit the whole clan of these deranged megalomaniacs looks like they just arrived from Chernobyl.

Well, his belly makes up for it.  Besides he has that "possum" smile.  jackb

*******, that "boat" is above average speed, with absolutely nothing but empty space on it. It also would never be questioned because of the frequent trips back and forth. It is a great point, because where else would that creep(SGC) fit into this mess. BTW, it is good to see your posts again after a trying week....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe he raped some poor girl at sleep away camp and hid her in the garden.

I find it most peculiar that the Arabian Prosecutor's Office doesn't
even know where the prime suspect is residing.

Steve was fired for a reason from the Tatoo. Was it for going to C&C and leaving the Tatoo unattended on May 29th? Or did he do something that got him fired? We heard 3 different excuses why Deepak's Mom was fired but none for the liar SGC?

Marcus just bounced him after his previous glowing review... why?  so you're right.

I don't think there is anyway on God's green earth that Croes could operate the Tattoo on his own, but even I can operate that dingy.

I agree..It's quite big and quick..Would be easy as heck using this boat with a 300lb cage. Not sure where SGC fits in all of this except he's buddies with Deepak and he was at C&C that night. I thought it was interesting that Edward Croes is Hendrik's son as well,his name has popped up a few times in this investigation.

Nice to see you BC73  ::MonkeyCool::

*******, are you saying you know for a fact that Edward is Henrik's son?

Now, I wonder if Eric Croes is Rudy's kid... check this -

original
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/RudyCroes-EricCroes.jpg)

enlarged
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/RudyCroes-EricCroes2.jpg)
Eric Croes on right - Anti Christ at head of table.

where do we know the name Eric Croes from? anyone remember? 

Yooo!!  ::MonkeyCool:: That boat would be the logical choice and a lot less work then a cigarette boat or a sea pro if they did use a cage like that. A couple of ATM withdrawls would be enough to borrow that boat from SGC for 90 minutes. It's always docked and easily accessable. Wish we knew exactly who that 6:30 AM call was placed to :( Was it the Santa Cruz are or Santa Lucia area?

Snip
GRACE: You know what, Karl Penhaul, a lot of what you`re telling me, very, very interesting the fact that no sight nor sound, hide nor hair of Natalee Holloway, and you`re saying this guy D.J.s on a cruise ship. Explain that. What, does he go out for the evening, they party hardy, and then come back?

PENHAUL: Exactly that cruise ship, called the tattoo party boat, like I say, a 110-foot catamaran, that usually leaves the pier in front of the Aruba Grand Hotel. That`s about 300 yards down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying. That boat leaves most evenings at around 8 o`clock in the evening, gets back about 12 o`clock.

The staff, the crew of the boat, are usually leaving the pier and going home around 1 o`clock. But according to the owner, that boat generally doesn`t go out on a Sunday night, unless, of course, there`s a special party booked. You`ll remember that Natalee Holloway went missing late Sunday night, very early Monday morning -- Nancy?

GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html)

Posted by Glenda at RU:

Stanley of Canal 90 caught wind of a sting where someone Joran has associated with was arrested. The arrest has nothing to with Natalee, and I was told it was for an "old" crime, allegedly.  I understand how the story got twisted to include Joran. But I can assure you that the OM said today that Joran has not been re-arrested in the N.H. Case.

Followup by Glenda:

Mos did not confirm or deny whether Joran had been arrested, just that the Aruban Authorities did not request an arrest of Joran v/d Sloot.

OG and SMS have stated that they are sure that Joran has not been arrested and I believe them

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Dayhiker -  it's always been  a war of attrition and the Sloot's don't have Rockfeller money... and I doubt Aruba as a whole has it anymore.

good to see you Bro!

Thanks Texasmom.

Janet

LOL.... just got back , had to step out for a minute and saw this and LMAO....

You're welcome Janet, and Blonde.

It still stands out to me from that statement that Wiggins "doesn't believe" Croes could have taken the boat out due to the security system...He didn't state that he "knew" he couldn't or didn't.  Also the fact that Croes was fired shortly following still leaves a doubt in my mind.

 ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

YUP! He don't know nuthin. He's got his own little cover-up going to protect the integrity of the Tatoo! ::MonkeyWink::

Yes..Normally Employers try to hang on to Model Employees.... ::MonkeyWink::

Not familiar with Eric but he is in some interesting company in that picture.

Yes in yesterdays newspaper they listed Edward as Hendriks son saying he would sue for his Father if he was jailed. If you go way back to June 10th Edward Croes is on record confirming Natalee is deceased,he was a advisor to Rudy Croes in the DOJ. 
----------------------------------------------------
Julia at RU says these psychics in 2005 told her Lorenzo murdered Pitbull.

Daniel:Anybody can do anything. It happens in the states all the time. And you’re talking, you’re talking… quite a … there was another thing that was involved in that we’ll tell another time. That we’re here (hear?) another story that I don’t …that Edward witnessed, I mean they brought tears to his eyes … involved in this and we took him there and we pulled the girl out of the … we pulled the girl out of the store. And there was another murder due to this. Due to knowing that Natalee was alive.

Question: So someone was murdered because they knew too much?

Female: uh-huh (yes)
Male: Another one here.

Question: By who?

Female and Male – not saying it right now, we don’t want to go…(?)
Male: But but Edward was there, he witnessed it. Edward Croes right there, witnessed it.
And had tears in his eyes. We pulled this total stranger out of the store and it was and there was something in it and it o.. yeah…

--------------------------------------------

i was under the impression that steve c. was doing watchman duties on the tattoo that night.  he supposedly got fired for not staying on board all night like he was supposed to. 
dennisintn

Geoffrey’s family confirms that their son does not know van der Sloot nor the Kalpoes
DIARIO Aruba
4/21/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): It was Thursday that the van Cromvoirt family reacted and stated openly that their son Geoffrey is not friends with any of the people who were previously detained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

“The van Cromvoirt family distances itself completely from all expressions or declarations which bring Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and any statement in which any role is attributed to him in this case”, the family said in a statement issued in Dutch by his lawyer mr. Eline Lotter-Homan.

Further, the family demonstrated that Geoffrey wasn’t working for VCB Security at the end of May 2005 when Natalee disappeared.

But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday.

Aside from this, only yesterday was it known that the Aruba and Antilles Coast Guard are searching the sea around Aruba with sonar equipment. The search was conducted in secrecy. On Thursday however, the Coast Guard did not continue this search.

The bigger question is: did Geoffrey really meet Natalee that weekend in Aruba?
Previously, there were indications that the Mountain Brook High School kids now recognize his picture. But last Wednesday night on CNN, the mother, Beth Twitty indicated that she does not have any indication that this took place.


4.21.2006
‘The families Van Cromvoirt and Van der Sloot not friends’
Amigoe
4/20/2006

ARUBA – “The Van Cromvoirt family dissociate herself expressly from all the statements that associate Geoffrey van Cromvoirt to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway”, stated Eline Lotter Homan, lawyer of family Van Cromvoirt in a written press release. “Due to persistent speculations, it is advisable to rectify the many completely untrue propositions put forward”, was her reaction on the many questions she gets from the different media.

Lotter Homan says that it is impossible to react on all possible propositions that are going around. She also didn’t want to react as regards content on the current judicial preliminary investigation. She states furthermore in her press release that “the facts that are being described in this are not meant for a restrictive refutation.”

In May and June of last year, Van Cromvoirt hadn’t worked for the Visibility Team or VCB Video Camera Security Systems & Consultancy. The lawyer confirmed that the family Van Cromvoirt had not at all been interrogated in connection with the investigation on the disappearance of the American girl. Rumours about Joran van der Sloot and Van Cromvoirt being friends are heavily denied. “Geoffrey is not a friend of any of the earlier arrested persons in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and has also no other relationship with any of them.”

The lawyer indicated that VCB had not provided any security activities to the Holiday Inn in May and June of last year and neither up till today. The company had not installed any security cameras, neither did it manage any for the Holiday Inn nor any of the other hotels on the hotel-strip. Lotter Homan says that VCB didn’t have access to the security camera systems of the hotels on the strip. “The company had not interfered with any of them.”

Among points that van Cromvoirt’s attorney wants to clear up
Geoffrey was not employed for the Visibility Team (i.e. VCB) in the period of May – June 2005
Attorney Lotter-Homan corrected various erroneous rumours on the street about her client
Bon Dia Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD – Yesterday still, the young G. v. Cromvoirt was detained related to the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Given that there has been quite a big amount of speculation from the moment of his detention, his lawyer Eline Lotter-Homan sent the following press release to refute any erroneous information that may be circulating on the street about her client and his family.

PERSISTENT SPECULATION

“Due to persistent speculation in the media, a press release is being sent to address the many incorrect statements. At the same time, it has to be said that it is difficult to address all of the baseless accusations. But at the same time, the facts mentioned in this release should not be perceived as a limitation of the explanation. At the same time, we will not go into details about the preliminary investigation. For this reason, the van Cromvoirt family distances itself categorically from all declarations about Geoffrey van Cromvoirt which could involve him in connection to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway or that give him a participative role (even if not active).

1. Geoffrey was not employed for the Visibility Team or VCB (Video
Camera Beveiligingssystemen & Consultancy N.V.) in the period of May – June 2005, nor did he have access to a uniform from the Visibility Team or VCB.

2. At no moment was the van Cromvoirt family previously heard related to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

3. Geoffrey is not friends with, and has no relation to the three persons previously arrested in a previous phase.

4. VCB was not procured for the security of the Holiday Inn Hotel in the period of May and June of 2005.

5. VCB, in the period of May and June 2005 until today, did not install security cameras or operate them in the hotel strip, nor at the Holiday Inn or any other hotel.

6. VCB, in the period of May and June of 2005 until today, did not have access to the hotel strip, nor the Holiday Inn or any other hotel that had security cameras, and did nothing to be guilty of any eventual manipulation thereof.

The fact that this [release] was sent in Dutch, means that any translation discrepancy is not the responsibility of the attorney."

This is the content of the press release of the attorney of the young detainee Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, Eline Lotter-Homan.

According to attorney Lotter-Homan
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is not getting preferential treatment
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD(AAN): As it’s well known, a new suspect has been detained in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Saturday, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was detained as the new suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway and had to appear in front of a judge commissioner Tuesday.

Normally the suspect is brought to court and there he is presented in front of a judge commissioner, for the latter to determine if the detention of the suspect is legal.

However, the press waited in vain for long hours in front of the court on Tuesday, because the suspect did not show up.

Afterwards, it came to light that the judge commissioner, who came from Curaçao for this case, went to the Noord police station, in order to determine if the suspect’s detention was legal.

This led to much speculation and questions on the street, where many people questioned the way the Public Prosecutor procedure.

It has to be said that because van Cromvoirt is Dutch, he is getting preferential treatment.

Van Cromvoirt’s attorney, mr. Lotter-Homan, told DIARIO that it’s not so that her client is getting preferential treatment.

According to the lawyer, the judge commissioner went to the Noord police station because his flight was delayed from Curaçao.

At the time when he was able to meet with van Cromvoirt and his lawyer, the court was closed.

At that time, the Public Prosecutor took the decision for the judge commissioner to go to the Noord police station where the suspect is being detained, to determine if his detention was legal.

So the attorney emphasized that it is not true that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is obtaining preferential treatment.

Holloway-detainee also suspected of drug dealing
Amigoe
4/19/2006

ARUBA – On Tuesday afternoon, the Public Prosecutor (OM) confirmed that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was arrested last Saturday in the current investigation on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The only statement made by the OM in a press report is that Van Cromvoirt “is suspected of facts that can be related to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and drug dealing”.

The local as well as the international media were at the court-house waiting for Van Cromvoirt to be brought before the examining magistrate. Nobody knew at what exact time this would be and the OM had not said anything other than ‘he will be brought before the examining magistrate today’. This was enough reason for the international media to wait. FBI-profiler Clint Vanzandt called the arrest of crucial importance and said that he anticipates that this arrest would lead to a new clue in the Holloway-case.

An examining-magistrate from Curacao has extended the detention of Van Cromvoirt with 8 days. This was done in the presence of Van Cromvoirt’s lawyer Eline Lotter-Homan.

Arthur Dowers (AVP) made it clear that Aruba is not really waiting for a new round of negative information around the Holloway-case. “This case has a big effect on the tourism. New developments should be made public. We have to be transparent and open.” Joran van der Sloot’s father, Paul van der Sloot told the Associated Press that his son doesn’t know Van Cromvoirt. The Kalpoe’s lawyer Ronnie Wix indicated that he is not sure whether his clients know Van Cromvoirt. This is the first time that Van Cromvoirt has come in contact with justice.

4.19.2006
In the case of Natalee Holloway
19 year old detained on charges of murder complicity
Bon Dia Aruba
4/18/2006

O R A N J E S T A D – This weekend, police authorities detained a 19 year old by the initials of G.v.C., related to the case of the disappearance of the young American student, Natalee Holloway.

The first reports showed that the decision to detain the youngster was on the basis of certain indications that he could have information related to the disappearance of the young American student. The v.C. youngster was part of the Visibility Team, which on top of it, actively participated in the search for Natalee, while his father conducted the security system by means of recordings, in the areas around the big hotels.

Unofficial reports that Bon Dia has obtained show that the detention of the young man van Cromvoirt was prolonged already by 8 days yesterday, while today in all probability he will have to be presented in front of a Judge Commissioner related to his detention.

Other reports which were able to be collected about the detention of this new figure in the mysterious Holloway case, indicates that the detention of this youngster used the charges of article 302, which means premeditated murder, but also in conjunction with 50, which is complicity to commit premeditated murder and also in conjunction with 49, which is having information related to a premeditated murder but not divulging this to solve the case.

It is also Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that his detention is also on the basis of article 300, which is for murder, in conjunction with 50, which is complicity by not giving information about a murder.

SPECTACLE

Once again, the detention of a new figure in the case of Natalee Holloway, has procured to start a new spectacle for the American media.

Various TV channels sent cameramen and reporters as of Sunday to Aruba to cover every development in this case, and this automatically means that there will be a series of incorrect information which will be sent to publication. As of yesterday they were talking of possible ‘forensic’ evidence from a uniform of the security company which was found many months back but this information is not based on fact.

Today, the same ‘upheaval’ there was previously during the appearance in front of a judge of the three youngsters – v/d Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers - can be expected.

How was he not brought in front of the judge as usual?
Geoffrey’s detention has to do with drug possession as well!
New suspect is represented by attorney mr. Eline Lotter-Homan
DIARIO Aruba
4/19/2006

ORANJESTAD(AAN): When any native son is detained, and has to be presented in front of the Judge Commissioner, according to the rules, the detained is brought to the Justice Building.

But what happened Tuesday? This was not the case. The new detainee in the Natalee’s case, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, was not brought to the Court Building! Why? Because he is Dutch…because of this they want to protect him? This is what some people called and asked DIARIO. More than clear, the newspaper told them they better call and ask the Public Prosecutor.

Why did they not follow normal procedure in such a situation? If the case was that an Aruban was detained, would they not have brought him to the Court Building no matter what the cost?

Finally, in the afternoon hours, a Judge Commissioner went to the Noord police station, where the 19 year old detainee was presented. Here, the Judge Commissioner reviewed the detention formalities, and decided that the detention was conducted legally, and the prolongation of the detention for 8 days as asked by the prosecutor is valid.

When exiting, prosecutor mr. Karen Janssen had a smile on her face. This shows in a silent way that they are happy with the decision.

GEOFFREY’S ATTORNEY

Tuesday, in front of the Court, DIARIO interviewed attorney mr. Petrochi, who was the appointed lawyer when the new suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, was detained.

DIARIO asked the attorney if he found out what exactly was the reason for van Cromvoirt’s detention; however, he said that he didn’t know the reason. He said that he is no longer the attorney of this suspect. He only attended to the first part of the detention.

Now, the case of van Cromvoirt is in the hands of another attorney. Attorney Petrochi could not confirm who was the new lawyer; however, DIARIO was able to find out that it was going to be mr. Eline Lotter-Homan who will represent van Cromvoirt in this case.

The 19 year old’s detention was prolonged; however van Cromvoirt had to appear in front of a Judge Commissioner Tuesday, to determine if the suspect’s detention was valid. This also went well.

In the meantime, reports continue to come in about this detention mystery. The Public Prosecution continues to maintain its silence, although once in a while they let something leak.

DRUG DEALING AS WELL

But the detail which surprised everyone the most is that Geoffrey is not only imprisoned due that he could have something to do with Natalee’s disappearance, but also that he was arrested on drug dealing accusations.

It is still not officially known how Geoffrey is connected to the disappearance. But the detailed revealed Tuesday in DIARIO related to the VCB Security t-shirt and forensic material on it, could be a strong indication.

On the other hand, the details given in terms of the drug matter and Geoffrey, has made local observers immediately think more deeply. They find that this new case ‘smells very strange’.

They explained to DIARIO that if a person is suspected of crimes related to drugs from any force, or investigative team, any drug case in Holland (DIARIO does not want to mention more) and he is detained…the official asks the Judge Commissioner to search the suspect’s house from top to bottom to find any substance that has to do with drugs.

His computer is opened and they take out the innards! In his room, they let dogs smell on top and below the bed to find out if they can at least find a seed, white substance, continue to every corner of the house in order to have evidence. All this to avoid that in the future this happens in the force, so that they not fail investigators again.

But here again, clearly they have committed a flagrant error! They invited Geoffrey to come to the station, where he was then detained. Those in charge of the investigation have to come to their conclusions and take their retirement, not today, but yesterday – along with all the wise people from the Public Prosecution, with the exception of ‘Tante Truus” [Aunt Truus].

His father was already questioned at the beginning of the case
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt detained as suspect in the case of the disappearance of Natalee
Perhaps a link to the case with uniform found in the Colony area near the sea
DIARIO Aruba
4/18/2006

ORANJESTAD(AAN): In the noon hours of this past Saturday, the Public Prosecutor acted and detained a new person in the case of the disappearance of the student Natalee Holloway.

However, it was only in the afternoon hours that this detention was leaked to the press, and it is time to know who it is.

The youngster worked at one time for the VCB Security Company, which is also in charge of the administration of the Visibility Team in Aruba.

It can still be recalled how in the month of June 2005, when the government gave half a day free to all its workers to search, that in the vicinity of the sea, close to an area where kite surfing is done, at the entrance of Colony, a uniform of VCB (Video Camara Beveiliging) was found.

At that time, they interrogated the director of this company who is the same person who is in charge of the whole camera system on the side of the big hotels, along with the Visibility Team.

This same director is the father of the youngster Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, 19 years of age (born in Holland), who was also working in his father’s company, VCB., after his sister, who also worked there, became a policewoman.

GEOFFREY WAS ‘FIRED’

DIARIO has information that Geoffrey van Cromvoirt was fired from his job because police did not want to work with him. Aside from this, Geoffrey is a good friend of Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son, who also was working on the Visibility Team near the sea.

Both of them, according to colleagues, apparently were always talking about how they ‘had fun’ with female tourists who they met on the beach. They even said they liked to lie and say that they were police so that they could do illegal things.

Some months back, Commissioner Gerold Dompig’s son was ‘practically’ fired from the team. It is not known where Gerold Dompig’s son is working, but Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is working on the beach, near a water sports company. In other words, he is a ‘beach bum’.

Although there is no confirmation about what his role is in this case, it must be questioned if it starts with the link of the security t-shirt found on the coast near the entrance of the Colony neighbourhood. A lawyer said that on this cloth there is relevant forensic information.

The piece of clothing was a uniform similar to the one that Geoffrey himself used. More detentions can be expected in the case, although we have information that Geoffrey is not cooperating at all with authorities in this case.

On this photo of Geoffrey, from the DIARIO archives, he can be seen when his sister was sworn in as a policewoman in San Nicolas. He was standing behind his sister that day.

HIS ROLE IN THE INVESTIGATION

Many people are asking, but no one has found the answer. What do authorities really have on this youngster? There is speculation that this arrest came after the program Opsporing Verzocht passed and that it produced about 100 tips. The Public Prosecution, however, is not giving any details. They have apparently learned from experiences in the past.

Although there’s an indication that perhaps Geoffrey met Natalee before Sunday, May 29 of 2005, there are others that show that possibly he was detained as a pretext to extract information that he could have, related to the involvement of van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

Apart from this, still authorities still must know whose DNA was found on the toothbrush from the hotel bathroom. It was a male DNA.

In the meantime, the American and Dutch press have also paid attention to this new detention. Some are even questioning if this is a ‘show’, due to the fact that Dave Holloway’s book came out last week, containing grave accusations towards the Public Prosecution. It has even been said that when Natalee’s mother’s book comes out, that this will really sink Aruba.

CONNECTION WITH JORAN OR NOT?

Meanwhile, Joran’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, explained that his client does not know Geoffrey, although there are some details circulating to the contrary.

He indicated that they are happy that Geoffrey is an ‘unknown’ to them, and that it shows that authorities are really working on new tips and can find a solution to this.

Sunday morning, the American press started to flood the VCB Security Company with calls. In the noon hours, even their web site had been changed, where the company decided to remove a photo of Geoffrey which was on it. A photo of the father was also removed from VCB’s web site. There are even some who question if perhaps this company could have ‘manipulated’ videotapes from hotel security in van der Sloot’s favour. However, observers deny this speculation as baseless inventions.

Today, they will have to bring Geoffrey in front of the Judge Commissioner to decide If his detention will be prolonged or not. In the meantime, it is DIARIO’s understanding that Geoffrey’s interrogation continues. He is a person who is regularly seen on the side of the beach, and they have to verify if he indeed could have met with Natalee

Arrest in Holloway-case
Amigoe
4/18/2006

ARUBA – Last Saturday, the police has arrested the 19-year old Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in the case of the American student Natalee Holloway, who disappeared while vacationing in Aruba. Van Cromvoirt was taken before the examining magistrate today, but at the time this newspaper went to press, it was not known yet whether his detention was extended.

Was this arrest linked to tips received after the special transmission of Opsporing Verzocht last week Tuesday that devoted the program to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway nearly a year ago, on the final night of her high school graduation trip to Aruba? Van Cromvoirt works with the Visibility Team. His father owns a security service, VCB that works for some big hotels. The Public Prosecutor (OM) has confirmed the arrest, but was not prepared to disclose why the person was arrested. It can be that he withheld information, but it can also be that he was seen with the girl on the night of her disappearance. The international media has again arrived on the island with some camera crew to broadcast the newest developments worldwide.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_16_archive.html

IMO, it makes no sense to use the Tattoo when the dingy is easier and low visibility.

If the Tattoo leaves, people are going to notice that. It's bigger than the pictures make it appear. And I remember it takes three people to operate correctly. I guess one person could do it if necessary, but that dingy makes more sense to me.

If the Tattoo left the area it's docked at, the amount of missing fuel would probably noticed.

Now, Paulus could pay for a small amount of fuel for the dingy to replace that and to not draw attention to Steve Croes, but as we all know Steve screwed that all up with Deepak's "Jackpot"!

A late night ATM withdraw is usually for a pizza, a cab, beer..etc.. small items. Not to reload the fuel tank of the Tattoo. A few dollars - like $100 or so would fill the tank on the dingy back up.

Great catch Hotping! The sheer number of lies from that place are dizzying aren't they?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

If Natalee was taken out to sea, I would rank the likelihood of the following.

1. Koen's boat
2. Steve Croes in the dingy
3. TJ Ward's Columbians called by Paulus
4. Joran by himself gets lucky and released Natalee into the surf and she was gone - he did get lucky according to him.
5. Joran in a boat from the fisherman hut
6. unknown Daury
7. Lorenzo van Rijn
8. Vadir van der Loonie
 

COMMENTARY
By Clint Van Zandt
MSNBC analyst & former FBI profiler
updated 9:25 a.m. ET, Mon., Oct. 10, 2005
 
 
Clint Van Zandt

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“I didn't mean to do it.”  This may well be the second best defense eventually offered by one or more of the suspects in the now four week old disappearance of 18-year-old American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba, with their primary defense being silence.  The three current suspects in this matter, 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak (age 21) and Satish (age 18) Kalpoe, have changed their stories at least two or three times concerning their contact with Holloway on the night she disappeared.  The Kalpoe brothers, through their attorney, have also accused Joran of having changed his story to put the blame on them for Holloway's disappearance.  In Joran's most recent version of the night Natalee disappeared, he said the two brothers dropped him and Holloway off at the beach near the Marriott Hotel, and that he eventually left her alone on the beach, this as “that was what she wanted,” and he then walked the two plus miles to his home.  Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot, a local judge in training, has been in custody for three days, charged with complicity in the “kidnapping and premeditated murder” of Holloway.  Paulus, who has waived his right not to testify against his son, has now been released by a judge who found that there was not enough evidence to continue to hold him in custody.  His arrest may have even been a ploy by Aruban police in their attempt to force his son, Joran, to tell what else he knew about Holloway's disappearance, one that may simply not have worked.
   
Two down, three to go
On Sunday Aruban authorities also indicated that they will release 26-year-old party  boat disc jockey Steve Croes, the fifth suspect in this case.  It is unlikely that the other three suspects will be immediately released, but the 118-day detention clock is slowly ticking away on the Aruban authorities, and when the clock runs out they must make their case in trial or let the three go, and there will continue to be a mandatory review of their incarceration every eight days until they are tried or released. Evidently Croes, a friend of one or more of the Kalpoe brothers, voluntarily told authorities that he had witnessed Joran and the Kalpoes drop Holloway off at her hotel, thereby confirming their alibi, one later acknowledged by them as being a lie.  Because of Croes' false report he was arrested and held in custody. Croes' arrest may have also been related to the authority's belief that he had access to a small boat that could, perhaps, have been used to transport Holloway somewhere on the waters surrounding Aruba.   Croes' release, like that of Paulus van der Sloot, is due to a similar finding by the local judge that there is not reasonable suspicion to support the belief that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance.
   
Searches on the island of Aruba to date by Aruban Police, Dutch Marines, local citizens, tourists and the FBI have not located Holloway.  Meanwhile, a private Texas search organization hired by the Holloway family has commenced its search for Natalee, although some members of this organization hold out little hope of finding her, while others confidently state that they will find her in two days.  The places that Holloway could be hidden on land in Aruba have supposedly been searched, but the ocean is wide and deep.  The searcher's best bet for finding her, should she be deceased, will probably be on and especially under the warm Caribbean waters circling Aruba, a vast sea area in which few searches have been conducted for her to date

I'd move Lorenzo up to #3 and #4 to the bottom, other than that I am with ya bro. I don't think Joran is lucky, he's just protected. He's done about everything possible to convict himself, he and his father just got a lot of Dutch friends in high places!
 

I agree with Dayhiker

KARIN JANSSEN, ARUBA CHIEF PROSECUTOR: However, in this stage of the investigation, we cannot exclude the possibility that something happened to Natalee. We are determined to find a truth, to find Natalee, and in case somebody harmed her, to find those who are responsible.

Out of respect for the family Holloway, we did not want to speak about murder and homicides because we did not want to hurt their feelings. It`s human, you know? And because, in that early stage, they were searching for their girl alive. And it was at that time just not suitable to talk about that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: If something happened to Natalee? Here`s a clue to the Aruban prosecutor: Something has happened to Natalee Holloway.

Very quickly, tonight in a primetime exclusive interview, we are very happy to have with us Mr. Steve Croes. Now, Steve Croes is the deejay off that party boat, I think it was called "The Tattoo." And it is parked not too, too far from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying.

Mr. Croes, thank you for being with us.

STEVE CROES, FORMER SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE: Hi. How are you doing?

GRACE: I`m great. Mr. Croes, how did you land behind bars in connection with Natalee?

S. CROES: Well, it was a mistake that I did, by telling the cops something that wasn`t true. And I really like -- how you say, you know, if I could change it, I change it, like, right away. But I`m glad that I prove everybody that I`m innocent. I didn`t have nothing to do in there. So that`s about it.

GRACE: Well, Mr. Croes, what did you tell the cops to make them arrest you?

S. CROES: You know, what exactly I told the cops is -- you know, I didn`t really like to go into those details. Why? Because, you know, it`s like something that...

GRACE: Mr. Croes, Mr. Croes, Mr. Croes, isn`t it true that you were at the Internet cafe and heard a Kalpoe brother on the phone cooking up a story?

S. CROES: Yes.

GRACE: Now what was the story he was cooking up?

S. CROES: The story that everybody knows here on the island, which they dropped the girl at the hotel and left her there. And that`s it.

GRACE: So you heard a Kalpoe brother on the phone at an Internet cafe cooking up this story. And you told the cops, right?

S. CROES: Yes.

GRACE: Now, when you were behind bars, how did you convince the cops that you didn`t have anything to do with it, that you overheard it?

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

GRACE: Steve, while you were behind bars, did you speak to or overhear Van Der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers talking?

S. CROES: No, I didn`t -- I don`t even know these guys. The only thing that I know is what I heard, that this guy talking on the phone. But I don`t know these guys. They don`t know me.

During my confrontations with the cops with these guys, they also admitted that they don`t know me. So I just put myself in trouble without knowing anything. So it was like a stupid mistake that I did.

GRACE: Steve, when you overheard the Kalpoe brother talking on, I guess, the cell phone at the Internet cafe, was it Deepak or Satish Kalpoe?

S. CROES: Deepak, Deepak, yes.

GRACE: OK. What was it exactly that he was saying, that you overheard?

S. CROES: Just the story that they dropped the girl at the hotel. The girl fell from the car, and they tried to help her to go back into the lobby, and that was the story.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html

I respect your opinions.

******* I have that photo labeled incorrectly.

It was Edward Croes.

Also, in that photo were Dompig, Comemencia, and R Croes.

I respect you for respecting them, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


SS -thanks for that transcript!

And I respect both of your opinions.    ::MonkeyDance::

Stef forgot to finish dressing and Steve looks like a whiskered rat - maybe the rat did not turn into a coachman but a ferryman instead.

oops - wrong thread    ::MonkeyCool::

 :dj:

And I get no respect at all.  LOL

Croes would have left to get in on the action if GVC, his friend called him.
We know for a fact he is friends (or was at the time) with GVC who knows everyone on the beach because of business and would be there when everyone is hanging out anywhere.  Remember Babilu (a muse, a jester, a master of ceremonies in the kings' days, now could very well be a DJ.)  Steve Croes left his post at (what time?.)  Faked logs?  Not likely but possible.  Not logging out would be less penalty.  Babilu would to me, fit Steve Croes perfectly.  I think GCV called him after Vanderstratten or his own dad called him to help Vanderstratten while visiting that young lady who said he left his bed and went?   Jackb

TOO FuNnY!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
April 18, 2005

TWITTY: ......And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect (GVC) and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192141,00.html

Yes....Lots of Habitual Liars for Sure On Aruba! Only thing about Habitual Liars is they have a tendency to forget what they lied about and eventually it bites them in the AZZ!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You're a bud and don't fergit it!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 

Of course those in charge of the radar saw that it was not working for them in this location.  The cat could have taken the load out, but security patrol and vanderstratten of the PD would know movements if they had other people working that area as well as inserting the Cromvroit son and maybe even the daughter into this case.  The initial taking out of the body could have been done that night or another night as far as that goes to be taken to where the final disposal would be.  That cage looks like it would have a hard time fitting in under the canopy poles, and seats.  Jackb

He had to have a ride from the Tattoo to shore.  That dude looks to lazy to swim that far, or even walk.  Also he must have been riding around with someone to get back home from wherever he lit that night (morning.)  jackb

Yeah Jack, and Dompig was bragging about about how good their radar was to the American television crew. Oops, the goes the Aruba Lie Meter again!

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Yes, according to what I have read, Croes could very well pilot the Tattoo and was working on getting a licence to do so.  It has been awhile since I read this.  Jackb

ok...read through the last thread until page 50 and skimmed through the current thread. Still don't see the answer to my questions!!!!!!

What in the hey did they find in the cage: DNA (helllooooo???, from what source?), remains or skeletal remains and what in the hey (my nice way of putting it since it is Holy Week) is the difference between the three?????!!!!!

Am I the only one lost as to what Kyle posted yesterday????

What was found in the cage besides the "cloth"?!

Yeah jackb, no neck Croes wouldn't walk a block, but he had to get on that dingy at some point, just to get back. Believe it or not, that piece of trash boat would have enough room for that cage, IMO. Croes probably parks a white pickup right up from Moomba's. Bad things happen to bad people, and he fits somewhere...

I believe the assumption is some form of human DNA but we don't know whos.

"Joran is maybe not lying, but is like trying to cover up a little bit" ~ Anita Van der Sloot ~ Abrams Report 6/24/05
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::