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Natalee Holloway => Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers => Topic started by: klaasend on March 23, 2008, 10:43:27 AM



Title: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2008, 10:43:27 AM
Decided we needed a new thread.  Here is a link to the last page of the previous thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3820


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
Ahhhh!  Nice new furniture!! Did you paint too? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
Ahhhh!  Nice new furniture!! Did you paint too? 

LOL, yes and I added the other codetalker threads as well.  Let me know if I missed any.  I think this will make it easier for you guys, don't you?

Edited to add:  When the you guys get the "index" done, I can add it to the last post of the previous Shango thread and also create a separate thread for the index.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 23, 2008, 11:51:16 AM
This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2008, 12:15:59 PM
This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 23, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.

I don't know, Klaas. Sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2008, 12:38:27 PM
This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.

I don't know, Klaas. Sorry.

I found some of the posts and started a thread.  If we find more posts we can add.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Altruist on March 23, 2008, 12:58:23 PM
Thanks Lala's.

We know that SGC can't really consider his residence with his Grandparents to be his "house" per se, especially for pimp parties.  PIGS.  These perverts identify their prey, that I am convinced.  Makes a lot of sense that only those that were "seen" would be the ones that would be "officially processed".

Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING when seeing all those pictures on TV my American media "FREE OF CHARGE", after all it's just a girl who has no value on LieAruba, when processing LieRuba's position on anything GREED & 30 years ago (minimum) in USA is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.  Third world environment where sexism, barbarism, perversion, elitism, etc thrive through ignorance & passiveness of the majority.  A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005.  Of course none of this can be proven by us but our authorities???????.

There is something MAJOR about all those holding positions of authority pupetting the "official talking points" by their actions.  This can not be ignored.

Appreciate all of the efforts extended by all of you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: BTgirl on March 23, 2008, 01:27:41 PM
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Quote from: klaasend on March 22, 2008, 10:57:12 PM
NO posting of real life names.  If you see something like that please let me know.  You can report the post and all the Moderators will see the problem.  Please don't continue to quote it as it just makes more work for us.

I will stake my life on it that Arubagirl IS NOT Simian.


I would like to clear a few things up regarding the use of names.  In genealogy research, the researcher is required to produce his/her name and all documented sources of the research data.  In most cases, the researcher is required to submit an address or email contact where other researchers can make contact for the verification of data.  The name which I provided was found on ancestry.com where I have a subscription.  This name is also available at the public sites of rootsweb.com and worldgenweb.com where this person is a prolific researcher in Aruban genealogy. I was completely unaware that this same person was also known by a few SM bloggers as XX.  I have no doubt that most other posters at SM are unaware of XX's identity.  I don't know why Finbar directed us to the genealogy site of this individual, but he did, and I found the identity of the person to whom he was directing us.  I am quite sure that more SMs than just myself were surprised to find that this individual is obviously a special friend to other SMs.  Had this genealogist not been known by a few as a special former SM, I doubt that her name would now be edited.  When Finbar first informed us about an ex monkey, there was much excitement to identify the person.  I guess that things changed when a certain name surfaced. In searching for information about the horrific disappearance and coverup of Natalee Holloway, I was not aware that there are protected individuals on this site.  There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on providing most other names be they Aruban, Dutch, American, etc. This sounds a little like ALE procedures.  Perhaps, the newer SMs should receive a list of the protected ones.  I am out of here.



I wanted to make a comment on the above post that I copied over from the other thread.

It seems to me that there is a difference between (a)the people on Aruba who have their photos online, in newspapers, etc., on a regular basis due to their exploits and (b)the people on Aruba who simply want to live a normal, ordinary life. Many of the people who are discussed here (such as Steve Croes) have made themselves into minor celebrities of sorts by virtue of their willingness to have their faces on view on a daily basis. IMO, those folks have given up certain expectations to privacy, just as real celebrities do.

On the other hand, AG is simply a young woman living on Aruba who pursues her day-to-day quietly and privately. While she does have an internet blog where she records some of her thoughts and the photos she takes, she does not seek to have her name and face on public view every day. AG does what the rest of us do - she goes to work, goes to church, pursues her hobbies, spends time with her friends and family, etc. To me, that's the difference in how people are discussed here. The VDSs, the Kalpoes, Steve Croes, GVC, and many others have been suspects/witnesses/whatever in Natalee's case. They have been in the news for their involvement in the case and made statements that are now part of the public record. AG is a former SM poster who has not been shown to have any involvement in Natalee's case. For that reason, I say we try to respect her privacy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 23, 2008, 01:39:05 PM
Thanks Lala's.

We know that SGC can't really consider his residence with his Grandparents to be his "house" per se, especially for pimp parties.  PIGS.  These perverts identify their prey, that I am convinced.  Makes a lot of sense that only those that were "seen" would be the ones that would be "officially processed".

Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING when seeing all those pictures on TV my American media "FREE OF CHARGE", after all it's just a girl who has no value on LieAruba, when processing LieRuba's position on anything GREED & 30 years ago (minimum) in USA is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.  Third world environment where sexism, barbarism, perversion, elitism, etc thrive through ignorance & passiveness of the majority.  A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005.  Of course none of this can be proven by us but our authorities???????.

There is something MAJOR about all those holding positions of authority pupetting the "official talking points" by their actions.  This can not be ignored.

Appreciate all of the efforts extended by all of you.

You are right.  There is something really strange and wrong about all those holding positions of authority and pulling strings of actions, or lack thereof.  Again, this should not, as you said, be ignored.  It is in and of itself indicative of some major spoilage and anti-American sentiment that seems pervasive throughout that region.  It is like we have been allowing our people to visit a country where the people in charge had just as soon see them dead after being robbed of their money and dignity.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 23, 2008, 01:52:21 PM
Quote from: SS
(in previous/locked codetalker thread/page 191 Reply #3813 on: Today at 08:39:08 AM)

I would like to clear a few things up regarding the use of names. In genealogy research, the researcher is required to produce his/her name and all documented sources of the research data. In most cases, the researcher is required to submit an address or email contact where other researchers can make contact for the verification of data. The name which I provided was found on ancestry.com where I have a subscription. This name is also available at the public sites of rootsweb.com and worldgenweb.com where this person is a prolific researcher in Aruban genealogy. I was completely unaware that this same person was also known by a few SM bloggers as XX. I have no doubt that most other posters at SM are unaware of XX's identity. I don't know why Finbar directed us to the genealogy site of this individual, but he did, and I found the identity of the person to whom he was directing us. I am quite sure that more SMs than just myself were surprised to find that this individual is obviously a special friend to other SMs. Had this genealogist not been known by a few as a special former SM, I doubt that her name would now be edited. When Finbar first informed us about an ex monkey, there was much excitement to identify the person. I guess that things changed when a certain name surfaced. In searching for information about the horrific disappearance and coverup of Natalee Holloway, I was not aware that there are protected individuals on this site. There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on providing most other names be they Aruban, Dutch, American, etc. This sounds a little like ALE procedures. Perhaps, the newer SMs should receive a list of the protected ones. I am out of here.

would like to add:
in 2005 one of arubagirl's sig lines
contained the link to her geneaology research.

occasionally, topic of ancestry came up in ongoing discussions
and she invited posters to click her geneaology link

after changing sig line, as many did back then/still do today ...
she sometimes posted her geneaology link as part of discussion,
inviting anyone to read there

perhaps some have forgotten this, which is understandable,
as we've all absorbed tons of info while following this case

it would appear that nefarious means were not a requirement
in locating the info recently commented upon w/ much emotion

to SS: please reconsider your decision to leave.
you have a fine mind and all of us here can benefit from your input



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 23, 2008, 02:03:44 PM
Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING ... A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005. 

yes

cuz I have no doubt that, if SGs had been successfully framed,
NH's body would have been produced/used to convict them

therefore, some involved in coverup knew where her body was ...
and they kept it hidden until the frame-up could play out (plan A)

can only imagine their reactions when that didn't happen,
leading to plan B, not LOL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
This is great. Thanks, Klaas.

Could we add Shock's posts? Maybe?

Do we have a Shock thread already?  If we do I can move it here, I just didn't see it.


I have the complete posts.  They are listed in Shango 1.  We can just move them.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 02:33:36 PM
Shock the monkey posts are on page 112 of Shango 1.  Klaas, if you have time...thank you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: SS
(in previous/locked codetalker thread/page 191 Reply #3813 on: Today at 08:39:08 AM)

I would like to clear a few things up regarding the use of names. In genealogy research, the researcher is required to produce his/her name and all documented sources of the research data. In most cases, the researcher is required to submit an address or email contact where other researchers can make contact for the verification of data. The name which I provided was found on ancestry.com where I have a subscription. This name is also available at the public sites of rootsweb.com and worldgenweb.com where this person is a prolific researcher in Aruban genealogy. I was completely unaware that this same person was also known by a few SM bloggers as XX. I have no doubt that most other posters at SM are unaware of XX's identity. I don't know why Finbar directed us to the genealogy site of this individual, but he did, and I found the identity of the person to whom he was directing us. I am quite sure that more SMs than just myself were surprised to find that this individual is obviously a special friend to other SMs. Had this genealogist not been known by a few as a special former SM, I doubt that her name would now be edited. When Finbar first informed us about an ex monkey, there was much excitement to identify the person. I guess that things changed when a certain name surfaced. In searching for information about the horrific disappearance and coverup of Natalee Holloway, I was not aware that there are protected individuals on this site. There doesn't seem to be any restrictions on providing most other names be they Aruban, Dutch, American, etc. This sounds a little like ALE procedures. Perhaps, the newer SMs should receive a list of the protected ones. I am out of here.

would like to add:
in 2005 one of arubagirl's sig lines
contained the link to her geneaology research.

occasionally, topic of ancestry came up in ongoing discussions
and she invited posters to click her geneaology link

after changing sig line, as many did back then/still do today ...
she sometimes posted her geneaology link as part of discussion,
inviting anyone to read there

perhaps some have forgotten this, which is understandable,
as we've all absorbed tons of info while following this case

it would appear that nefarious means were not a requirement
in locating the info recently commented upon w/ much emotion

to SS: please reconsider your decision to leave.
you have a fine mind and all of us here can benefit from your input



I should also add that I was the one that kept quoting everything...so I assumed the post was to me from Klaas and not any other poster.  I was not paying attention to all my quote stacks and that caused the problem.  Let's just carry on. We have work to do.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 23, 2008, 02:44:31 PM
Shock the monkey posts are on page 112 of Shango 1.  Klaas, if you have time...thank you.

I think VMS already posted them in the ShocktheMonkey thread  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 03:11:54 PM
Nice reorganisation Thx Klaas!!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 04:15:39 PM
It would be nice to have the Shango posts listed also...don'tcha think?  Did I miss them? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 23, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
SS,
I just want you to know that I respect your investigative abilities and have enjoyed working with you here on SM.  I understand how you feel, believe me.  I'm going to leave it at that as far as what's occurred. 

I hope you will continue to assist in the quest to find answers for Natalee and her family, I appreciate your help.  I agree with Blonde, your work is wonderful!

And I apologize for referring to you as "he".  SS= :smt061   ::MonkeyWink::

TM



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 04:54:45 PM
Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 05:48:31 PM
Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??


I thought a 6 AM call was attributed to this area...hmmm I must be mistaken.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 06:03:03 PM
Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder ("fallen judge") will sing
 
[pick one]
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 06:03:28 PM
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 06:04:22 PM
All the gamblers knew was written down


Why did the girl owe money?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 06:34:07 PM
in simians posts:

Babylonians = Police

18.   Name: Simian | E-mail | IP: xx
The Simian got friggin’ tired. I.e. the Simian never mentioned any Sumerians. What does that mean? By the way, in Caribbean slang the “Babylon” is the Police.
Posted Jun 30, 11:01 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “MSNBC Tonight: Two Exclusive Interviews on Scarborough Country” | View Post

Gamblers = Casino employees

I believe Alcazars revenge = simian

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: Rape?
________________________________________
I hear Shango, You haven't seen one piece of legal document on anything. So in that regard you should keep your opinion to yourself.

Why you haven't seen his face on TV, because he was never pointed to by the Twitty's. That is why.

It is a public secret that the casino employees pointed to him as being involved with Natalee and the group during their stay in Aruba. Even alluding to a romantic involvement with Natalee.


At the same time Beth Twitty states that Joran raped her daughter, because she was a virgin. That even if the sex was consensual it was still rape to her.


Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees.
You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.

65.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.



The name of the fifth suspect is in the declarations of the casino workers.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 23, 2008, 06:40:26 PM
Drugs?

June 25” | View Post
100. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas.
  Pap translator
ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. comprometiendo my abilidad de darles informacion. will siento. not puedo dejarme al descubierto. happen la informacion owing to los other
What does this mean now you guys got me going


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 23, 2008, 06:42:16 PM
Not just a new room…a whole new house…Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas…I have 11 Simian posts from the other thread that are not in the Simian posts thread. (From numbers169 to 179)I don’t think they were checked and I need to find the FP links. They are on pages 52 and 53 of the old thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.940

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.960


JE…how many days do you get from 5/30 to 9/23?…TIA

Finngirl…
Here is the link to my posts on 6/11/2005. I didn’t put the link I was reading at, but I think it was the FP. Also read it at RWV…IIRC…Sorry!

Start #483 end #491
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.480



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 06:48:00 PM
Drugs?

June 25” | View Post
100. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas.
  Pap translator
ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. comprometiendo my abilidad de darles informacion. will siento. not puedo dejarme al descubierto. happen la informacion owing to los other
What does this mean now you guys got me going


from translator:

Ally, someone is passing of faker. Compromising my abilidad of giving them information. I feel it. I cannot leave myself to the overdraft. The information happens to the others. Pap translator
ally, someone is passing of faker. compromising my abilidad of giving them information. will I feel. not I can leave myself to the overdraft. happen the information owing to the other


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 06:50:22 PM
Not just a new room…a whole new house…Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas…I have 11 Simian posts from the other thread that are not in the Simian posts thread. (From numbers169 to 179)I don’t think they were checked and I need to find the FP links. They are on pages 52 and 53 of the old thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.940

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.960


JE…how many days do you get from 5/30 to 9/23?…TIA

Finngirl…
Here is the link to my posts on 6/11/2005. I didn’t put the link I was reading at, but I think it was the FP. Also read it at RWV…IIRC…Sorry!

Start #483 end #491
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.480



MUM not sure i understand your question????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 06:52:46 PM
Not just a new room…a whole new house…Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas…I have 11 Simian posts from the other thread that are not in the Simian posts thread. (From numbers169 to 179)I don’t think they were checked and I need to find the FP links. They are on pages 52 and 53 of the old thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.940

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.960


JE…how many days do you get from 5/30 to 9/23?…TIA

Finngirl…
Here is the link to my posts on 6/11/2005. I didn’t put the link I was reading at, but I think it was the FP. Also read it at RWV…IIRC…Sorry!

Start #483 end #491
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.480



MUM not sure i understand your question????


112 days LOL now i'm curious


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Not just a new room…a whole new house…Thanks Klaas! ::MonkeyDance::

Klaas…I have 11 Simian posts from the other thread that are not in the Simian posts thread. (From numbers169 to 179)I don’t think they were checked and I need to find the FP links. They are on pages 52 and 53 of the old thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.940

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.960


JE…how many days do you get from 5/30 to 9/23?…TIA

Finngirl…
Here is the link to my posts on 6/11/2005. I didn’t put the link I was reading at, but I think it was the FP. Also read it at RWV…IIRC…Sorry!

Start #483 end #491
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.480



MUM not sure i understand your question????


112 days LOL now i'm curious

correction 116 days or 117 if we include 5/30 now i'm confused ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 07:30:18 PM
in simians posts:

Babylonians = Police

18.   Name: Simian | E-mail | IP: xx
The Simian got friggin’ tired. I.e. the Simian never mentioned any Sumerians. What does that mean? By the way, in Caribbean slang the “Babylon” is the Police.
Posted Jun 30, 11:01 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “MSNBC Tonight: Two Exclusive Interviews on Scarborough Country” | View Post

Gamblers = Casino employees

I believe Alcazars revenge = simian

Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: Rape?
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I hear Shango, You haven't seen one piece of legal document on anything. So in that regard you should keep your opinion to yourself.

Why you haven't seen his face on TV, because he was never pointed to by the Twitty's. That is why.

It is a public secret that the casino employees pointed to him as being involved with Natalee and the group during their stay in Aruba. Even alluding to a romantic involvement with Natalee.


At the same time Beth Twitty states that Joran raped her daughter, because she was a virgin. That even if the sex was consensual it was still rape to her.


Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
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Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees.
You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.

65.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.



The name of the fifth suspect is in the declarations of the casino workers.


was on tape.....declarations irrelevant


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 07:31:28 PM
JE:

poison note$.....

the road is not paved




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 07:32:49 PM
......fallen "judge"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 07:34:49 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 07:39:36 PM
JE:

poison note$.....

the road is not paved




Columbo no offense but i need a little more info to respond to your question.
Chalk it up to my brain not working as fast as some of yours. Please elaborate a little....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 07:52:43 PM
Drugs?

June 25” | View Post
100. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas.
  Pap translator
ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. comprometiendo my abilidad de darles informacion. will siento. not puedo dejarme al descubierto. happen la informacion owing to los other
What does this mean now you guys got me going


from translator:

Ally, someone is passing of faker. Compromising my abilidad of giving them information. I feel it. I cannot leave myself to the overdraft. The information happens to the others. Pap translator
ally, someone is passing of faker. compromising my abilidad of giving them information. will I feel. not I can leave myself to the overdraft. happen the information owing to the other


Someone is trying to impersonate me...and my information is being credited to the imposter?? The doppleganger?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 07:53:48 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 23, 2008, 07:54:21 PM
Did anyone  here ever just post all the quotes without the
Name:Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx parts
 I did it all in red very intersting

The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore
The phone call made in the small hours
There are 3 vehicles
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas
Don’t try and hack the Simian. We smoke Nederweed. Genetically enigineered.
No battle. The man on the inside will call soon. The confrontation will last all night. The boy’s arrogance will be his downfall
I’m leaving now
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John. The fires will burn all around on the island. The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.
I’m leaving…
The confrontation is going down. “You made me lie.” “You conspired against me.” “Coward.”
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 08:12:22 PM
I thought i had to say this to make sure we dont confuse each other any more than needed.

In order to read my posts it might be handy for others to know what i think(just my opinion just as valid as anyone elses)

1. I think Simian, Merian, Alcazar, gordo are one and the same (Maybe Klaas could confirm or deny this)
   
2. I have my doubts about Shango(he/she just seems to want to add to the confusion)

This being said i hope you can put my posts in perspective

I believe Shango and Simian's use of terms like babylonians, etc, you name em, differs and that confuses us while discussing this.

Responding to a simian post with a shango quote blurs the smoke signals(this is bad i start to sound like em LOL)

It would help if everybody mentions in their responses, when using quotes, who the quotes they used came from.

Like Lala's and Finngirl said and probably others we shouldn't take the quotes out of context always look at them in relation to other posts and the events of the day

just a thought


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 08:21:43 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 


maybe as the 5th - who is DirtyHand? He can break the alibi......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 23, 2008, 08:23:07 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 

Is LVR your favorite person? If so, he's pretty high on my list too and this might hint at it

77.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 23, 2008, 08:24:54 PM
Did anyone  here ever just post all the quotes without the
Name:Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx parts
 I did it all in red very intersting

The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore
The phone call made in the small hours
There are 3 vehicles
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas
Don’t try and hack the Simian. We smoke Nederweed. Genetically enigineered.
No battle. The man on the inside will call soon. The confrontation will last all night. The boy’s arrogance will be his downfall
I’m leaving now
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John. The fires will burn all around on the island. The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.
I’m leaving…
The confrontation is going down. “You made me lie.” “You conspired against me.” “Coward.”
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord



Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.

crs Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Sim - when you speak of this boy I think everyone thinks you are talking about Joran but your not are you - you are talking about this other individual.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 23, 2008, 08:35:15 PM

100. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas.   

Ally, someone is pretending. jeopardizing my ability to give information. I feel it. I cannot remain in the open/cannot remain exposed. [it] passes the information to others.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 23, 2008, 09:46:44 PM
I thought i had to say this to make sure we dont confuse each other any more than needed.

In order to read my posts it might be handy for others to know what i think(just my opinion just as valid as anyone elses)

1. I think Simian, Merian, Alcazar, gordo are one and the same (Maybe Klaas could confirm or deny this) Simian and Merian had the same email addy.  She can't check the others or Merian's IP...those were posted at another forum. We will likely never know that answer to this question.
   
2. I have my doubts about Shango(he/she just seems to want to add to the confusion)

This being said i hope you can put my posts in perspective

I believe Shango and Simian's use of terms like babylonians, etc, you name em, differs and that confuses us while discussing this. They were having trouble working out the terms for sure. LOL

Responding to a simian post with a shango quote blurs the smoke signals(this is bad i start to sound like em LOL) Yes it does.  Taking out of context messes it up even more.

It would help if everybody mentions in their responses, when using quotes, who the quotes they used came from. Good idea, but don't hold me to that, I am lazy. LOL

Like Lala's and Finngirl said and probably others we shouldn't take the quotes out of context always look at them in relation to other posts and the events of the day

just a thought


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 24, 2008, 11:24:25 AM
JE…Joran spent around 87 days in jail…not 116

From 5/30/2005, when Natalee disappeared, to 9/23/2005, the day of Aruba’s election was 116 days…just a thought! (probably a coincidence!)


82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 24, 2008, 11:38:56 AM
JE…Joran spent around 87 days in jail…not 116

From 5/30/2005, when Natalee disappeared, to 9/23/2005, the day of Aruba’s election was 116 days…just a thought! (probably a coincidence!)


82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM


Hammer and block sounds like  LE and Judge.  The law enforcer and the judge with the gavel or the judicial department including the prosecutor who seemed at the time to get evidence not to convict but to exonerate and not present the evidence that would convict.  I certainly agree with the saying that " The greatest evil in the land is injustice hiding behind the badge of the law."  It is amazing how this has cost the Aruban people and those leaches in power seem to float on the illegal ways to make money.  If ever a country had a reason to resist, it would be this one.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 24, 2008, 11:41:45 AM
JE…Joran spent around 87 days in jail…not 116

From 5/30/2005, when Natalee disappeared, to 9/23/2005, the day of Aruba’s election was 116 days…just a thought! (probably a coincidence!)


82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM



Remember the judge that didn't make his flight from Curacao and they had to wait another day until he arrived?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 24, 2008, 11:47:12 AM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 


maybe as the 5th - who is DirtyHand? He can break the alibi......

I doubt Palus ever treated him as a son even if he is, except to use him too.  It makes me wonder if his (LV's) dad really committed suicide and did not have some help from someone who may have been worried that his "fling" wit the wife of another would cause his own demise.  It is doubtful that this "hoodlum" empire could have been built, as relatively young as LV is without the assistance of those in power.  There may have been things in the works for this long before the father committed suicide.  There had to be some interaction in that family before LV was born.  Those people are not protecting one another because of a great family love.  It is because one out of 14 of those people are addicted to alcohol and/or drugs and that is enough people to populate a small town.  Those people work on the tourist side of the island selling their wares to addict others and supply their own addictions.  It is amazing.  No wonder they want tourists as so many there are in "the business" besides the mass distributors that they have to have fresh meat constantly to just exist.  Many of them cannot island hope and go into mass distribution and/or money laundrying as that would be saved for those closer in the circle.  Ah, those creeps, destroying a good people and targeting young and old alike.  It is pathetic.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on March 24, 2008, 11:47:52 AM
JE…Joran spent around 87 days in jail…not 116

From 5/30/2005, when Natalee disappeared, to 9/23/2005, the day of Aruba’s election was 116 days…just a thought! (probably a coincidence!)


82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM



*One witness, is not a wintess.*  Could this be contsrued as...one person who *did* witness...has not been *considered* as a witness...due to...*alibi so tight..so tight*...   I still throw Anita in the mix...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 24, 2008, 12:31:30 PM
All the gamblers knew was written down


Why did the girl owe money?

She may have been fined on a made-up charge.  She could have been gambled off by one of the perps who lost.  As well, it sounds like dirtyhand provided an alibi for someone that is solid enough  Could this be one of the block and hammer dudes, ie. justices?
If you had a LE and a judge in the same vicinity you could literally charge someone, fine them and if they are young enough, and in a foreign country, no phone and no way to summon help, I would say you are in a freaking pickle.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 24, 2008, 12:42:20 PM
Did anyone  here ever just post all the quotes without the
Name:Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx parts
 I did it all in red very intersting

The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore
The phone call made in the small hours
There are 3 vehicles
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas
Don’t try and hack the Simian. We smoke Nederweed. Genetically enigineered.
No battle. The man on the inside will call soon. The confrontation will last all night. The boy’s arrogance will be his downfall
I’m leaving now
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John. The fires will burn all around on the island. The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.
I’m leaving…
The confrontation is going down. “You made me lie.” “You conspired against me.” “Coward.”
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord



Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.

crs Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:17 pm
Sim - when you speak of this boy I think everyone thinks you are talking about Joran but your not are you - you are talking about this other individual.



 

Could they mean the other brother (Sloot.)  Joran seemed at the time he was in jail that he missed Val while he was in jail and wanted to to speak to Val, more than the others.    He probably involved this brother who may not have had anything to do with the crimes, (maybe the size 10 l/2 shoe)but Val cannot speak because of hurting his family.  He seems like he would be a good kid.  I hope Joran has not ruined his chances to be a decent human being and having the respect as an individual, that is if he earns it.  I would be willing to be Joran has caused those two younger boys so much grief that they are paying more than he is for Joran and Palus' sorriness.  He seemed like he would be cruel to them if he was the type person to kill animals, etc.  It is a horror story I would imagine to have to live with an individual like that.  They are probably glad he is not there to harrass them. Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 24, 2008, 12:56:43 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 

Is LVR your favorite person? If so, he's pretty high on my list too and this might hint at it

77.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was
 

That Van Rijn man is young and I really do not see how he could (alone) exert that much fearful influence.  He may be afraid of whomever (if it was not a suicide) killed his father would kill him is why he hides and lives in a fortress-like compound.  I guess his image is that he is sinster, but it seems like someone wrote (and it is probably a lie) that he was hiding under a table, etc.  when the drug arrests were made.  Someone may be using him, his home and his caves and these people who were connections via PVs and/or his father?? have all but imprisoned him through fear.  He probably is angry, traumatized and built himself an image that thugs have taken advantage of until he became who he feared most.  He, (and all this is theory and speculation as I only know what I have read about him.) probably does run with older men who have utilized the fact that his dad     (as he knew him) is dead, and befriended him because the geographical lay of his land is such as it may provide passages of drugs.  It would not surprise me if he is easily led and may have participated in the coverups and allowed extended family to farther use him and his mother.  As I said, this theory, but boys alone with a loss can find the wrong kinds of companions and become one of them if not worse to prove points.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 24, 2008, 01:36:00 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 
 



maybe as the 5th - who is DirtyHand? He can break the alibi......

It would be my understanding that this 5th person would BE the aibi. He will not brake it, so someone else will have to break it?  Let me say, perhaps the Cromvroits made a really good alibi for Geoff. Also no videos showing Geoff would be available and the ones showing the perps clearly as to throw suspicion away from Geoff's part, just hinting at someone else enough so as not to be able to prove anything.  Something had to show up on the videos, so they chose to fuzz out evidence and hide some of the other perps so nothing could be proven as far as they were concerned, but to totally obscure everything would look like an inside job of security,since they could be easily manipulated by the companies furnishing them and the personnel for them. They do walk in all houses as they install videos and "protect" businesses and maybe homes with their security business.  Is dirtyhand a Cromvroit (Bill) who owns  security companies  and is aware of the goings on and keeps mum to keep his businesses flourishin on the islands and NL?  Perhaps, especially if somone connected to this particular company was a part of the take down (Geoff?)   Jack blue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 24, 2008, 04:34:11 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 
 



maybe as the 5th - who is DirtyHand? He can break the alibi......

It would be my understanding that this 5th person would BE the aibi. He will not brake it, so someone else will have to break it?  Let me say, perhaps the Cromvroits made a really good alibi for Geoff. Also no videos showing Geoff would be available and the ones showing the perps clearly as to throw suspicion away from Geoff's part, just hinting at someone else enough so as not to be able to prove anything.  Something had to show up on the videos, so they chose to fuzz out evidence and hide some of the other perps so nothing could be proven as far as they were concerned, but to totally obscure everything would look like an inside job of security,since they could be easily manipulated by the companies furnishing them and the personnel for them. They do walk in all houses as they install videos and "protect" businesses and maybe homes with their security business.  Is dirtyhand a Cromvroit (Bill) who owns  security companies  and is aware of the goings on and keeps mum to keep his businesses flourishin on the islands and NL?  Perhaps, especially if somone connected to this particular company was a part of the take down (Geoff?)   Jack blue


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

ONE OF THE WITNESSES IS NO WITNESS, HE IS A PERPETRATOR


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 24, 2008, 04:35:07 PM
quote:
"By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is."

did he too walk in this house of babylon, but not to satiate desire?

I thought everyone had dismissed my favorite person as not being involved any longer? LOL 

Is LVR your favorite person? If so, he's pretty high on my list too and this might hint at it

77.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was
 

That Van Rijn man is young and I really do not see how he could (alone) exert that much fearful influence.  He may be afraid of whomever (if it was not a suicide) killed his father would kill him is why he hides and lives in a fortress-like compound.  I guess his image is that he is sinster, but it seems like someone wrote (and it is probably a lie) that he was hiding under a table, etc.  when the drug arrests were made.  Someone may be using him, his home and his caves and these people who were connections via PVs and/or his father?? have all but imprisoned him through fear.  He probably is angry, traumatized and built himself an image that thugs have taken advantage of until he became who he feared most.  He, (and all this is theory and speculation as I only know what I have read about him.) probably does run with older men who have utilized the fact that his dad     (as he knew him) is dead, and befriended him because the geographical lay of his land is such as it may provide passages of drugs.  It would not surprise me if he is easily led and may have participated in the coverups and allowed extended family to farther use him and his mother.  As I said, this theory, but boys alone with a loss can find the wrong kinds of companions and become one of them if not worse to prove points.  Jackb




Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 24, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 24, 2008, 04:36:45 PM
from his "hideaway?"

All secrets are "hidden" in plain view


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 24, 2008, 05:36:33 PM
"one witness is no witness" ...

came up when discussing that w/o further evidence,
it takes more than a witness statement
to persuade prosecutor/judge/jury that crime was committed

confessing to a crime, w/o further evidence,
is not enough to ensure conviction
or even a trial, for that matter

habeas corpus: latin for (we command) that you have the body

"show me the body"

also interpreted/defined as: show me the evidence ...
because not all crimes involve a body

all trials must produce evidence
above/beyond witness statement or confession

we need to read entire conversations, not just codetalker quotes



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 24, 2008, 05:56:07 PM
"one witness is no witness" ...

came up when discussing that w/o further evidence,
it takes more than a witness statement
to persuade prosecutor/judge/jury that crime was committed

confessing to a crime, w/o further evidence,
is not enough to ensure conviction
or even a trial, for that matter

habeas corpus: latin for (we command) that you have the body

"show me the body"

also interpreted/defined as: show me the evidence ...
because not all crimes involve a body

all trials must produce evidence
above/beyond witness statement or confession

we need to read entire conversations, not just codetalker quotes




quoted JackB:

It would be my understanding that this 5th person would BE the aibi. He will not brake it, so someone else will have to break it?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 24, 2008, 06:24:01 PM
Joran from Current Affair Sept 2005:

Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction.  And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad.  I really don’t know.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm


Sounds a little like the Simian casino line...or perhaps throwing GVC under the bus.

Mum


The 116 days if VERY interesting..... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 24, 2008, 06:25:13 PM
"one witness is no witness" ...

came up when discussing that w/o further evidence,
it takes more than a witness statement
to persuade prosecutor/judge/jury that crime was committed

confessing to a crime, w/o further evidence,
is not enough to ensure conviction
or even a trial, for that matter

habeas corpus: latin for (we command) that you have the body

"show me the body"

also interpreted/defined as: show me the evidence ...
because not all crimes involve a body

all trials must produce evidence
above/beyond witness statement or confession

we need to read entire conversations, not just codetalker quotes



Absolutely!!  I have shouted this until I am blue in the face...frankly, I have given up trying to make this understood.  The mystery posters were not just talking to themselves...ever.  They were communicating with the other people in the comment sections...just as one person answers another now. 

For example: This is the reply from Simian after edie asked this question...it is plain and simple and answer to edie and no one else.



edie on June 26th, 2005 2:57 pm

I don’t know what to think… I thought Steve was the “music man” and that he was singing. If he was singing, they wouldn’t have let him go would they?


# Simian on June 26th, 2005 2:58 pm

The music man’s song was not on the bill.



edie on June 26th, 2005 3:00 pm

Ok I remember you saying this but I need some elaboration. Does that mean one witness will not do or nothing he said had to do with the investigation… I know you cant tell us so I guess we will see.




Shango picks up on the conversation between Simian and the others and jumps in with:

max on June 26th, 2005 3:08 pm

Looks like sc providing a boat theory is out less they just couldnt prove it. Think they said you have to go out a mile before the current takes hold. Anyone know the details on that.


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 3:09 pm

Simian,

who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….








Then the conversation becomes more between Simian and Shango, but Simian goes back to answer a question that was asked several minutes before when Yolande and edie are asking where Shockthemonkey is:



Simian on June 26th, 2005 3:18 pm

Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.

The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.



Context is important. MOO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 24, 2008, 06:30:22 PM
Were they counting the S G ?

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot  (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 24, 2008, 06:46:56 PM
Were they counting the S G ?

Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve Croes and Paulus
FOX NEWS
June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot  (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.







PVDS? murder & kidnapping???? perhaps the "boyfriend from earlier in the week" cover story was better for tourism, and fit the evidence (evidence had PVDS in a legal checkmate)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 25, 2008, 01:21:34 AM
Where is everyone...The decoder team.. have send you all and Mbox.

Check it.

you have to read Simian first for the keys and then pick up Shango and decode.

Shango need to be put in date and time sequeance first and then split... it has two stories morph into one document. there is two of each entities or players. a bit more complex but once the split it will be easy with Simian key's

CAPSLOCKWIZARD


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 06:09:14 AM
Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 06:32:13 AM
Anywhere near Jacksonville?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 07:16:45 AM
JE…From the last thread

Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!

On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.

The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.

From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 07:35:05 AM
SS and texasmom…I am a little confused on the Solognier/Solagnier names. Can either you help? Are they connected or are they two separated families? TIA

Altruist…there was discussion on the NAH thread about a party on the ‘Tattoo’ about a month or so ago. Klaas posted that there was one on the Saturday night, as the place where the after-party for the Soul Beach Festival became too crowded and some partied on the ‘Tattoo’. I have wondered if there was one on the Sunday as well, but if it was a big party, I’m sure we would have at least heard something from tourists.

Interesting that Aruba lost the Soul Beach Festival for 2006/2007 and appears to have it back this year, IIRC...what happened to 'no wampum for many years'?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 07:35:52 AM
Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 07:48:05 AM
JE…From the last thread

Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!

On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.

The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.

From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…


The number 112


Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

The number 116


82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post

I saw your 116 days from disappearance to election interesting indeed, dont know what to make of it yet though ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:15:41 AM
JE…From the last thread

Only David left the den alive…is what started me on David when I saw him mentioned in Joran’s book. I am not sure if this is a ‘real Shango post’ or not!

On the highly ranked official at the van der Sloots house…I will have to go back and check if it was Smid or Wit, but I recall there was a ‘conflict of interest’ comment as he was at the house. I was confused as to if he meant being there on the weekend of May 29/30th. or the day of the search…June 15th. Still have not figured it out, but guessed it to be Wit because of the search.

The post you mentioned re the 112 days….that is from a Mirian Ernest post, IIRC…will have a look at it.

From page 3 of this thread…did you see my post on the 116 days? Thanks Buckeye…it is ‘very interesting’…


The number 112


Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture? FREDDY'S

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

The number 116


82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post

I saw your 116 days from disappearance to election interesting indeed, dont know what to make of it yet though ::MonkeyConfused::

[/quote

My response...I messed up the quote...LOL...need more coffee!
Not sure what to make of it either, but it is interesting. Thanks for bringing the 112 posts over.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:21:31 AM
Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273)




Good Morning...I think! I am not sure what a sunken WW2 sub has to do with a poster...LOL ::MonkeyConfused::

Back to catching up and more coffee...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
From Lala’s:
Context is important. MOO

Thanks and please keep posting ‘in context’!


From Buckeye:
Joran from Current Affair Sept 2005:

Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction.  And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad.  I really don’t know.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm


Sounds a little like the Simian casino line...or perhaps throwing GVC under the bus.

Yes on throwing GVC under the bus...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 08:32:55 AM
The reason i asked about the location

(http://i30.tinypic.com/bhf2ix.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:41:55 AM
This is Steve Croes mother...from the last thread...not sure if it will help anyone checking out the ancestry.

 Reply #3130 on: March 05, 2008, 06:43:37 PM »  From vms

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: Blonde on March 05, 2008, 06:28:36 PM
Anyone remember SC's Mother didn't she  live in CURACAO

IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/27/ltm.05.html
++++


 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 25, 2008, 08:45:59 AM
I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 08:55:59 AM
I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.


Morning Blonde...It took me a while to work out which location...Steve's mom's or robalo 33's!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 08:56:34 AM
I hate to tell you this, but I put location Mars you can put anythng you want on there.

I am aware of that. I just thought i should mention it

(http://i26.tinypic.com/2eqdsbc.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 09:57:49 AM

Was Paulus arrested/detained before June 23rd.2005? And if so, on what date...changes the 5th. of course if he was, say around the 13th.???? Also depends on how Simian is defining his suspects!!!

February 03, 2008, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 03, 2008, 11:03:29 AM
beans...did you see my question to you on page 35...TIA
Is your question whether or not Paulus spent the night in jail?  He did - he was there for only a short time - I remember him walking out with his attorney and the plastic bag (Aruban Samsonite) with his things in it.  I posted I thought it was the 14th of June but someone later said it was the 17th I believe.  I was going from memory and estimating.

Frijole… February 01, 2008, 08:59:54 PM

Yes, because the confession that didn't happen (cough, spit) took place on June 10th.  I think the 14th was around the time that Paulus spent the night in the slammer.  Rocks were painted on 12th/13th (arubay videos).

In fact a ton of activity was around that time.  That is when the real cover up began.
++++

From RWV…my translation...sorry!

Civilian,
Awe mi a scucha na radio cu parece un di e bewakernan a bisa cu Joran tabata yora den cel y cu e ta masha preocupa y parece cu e la bisa Jones cu nan tres a palabra canto di pool na Joran su cas. Dus cada rato tin un otro version. Dus ban mira awor kiko ta sali di e caso aki. Mi ta spera cu un di nan papia pa caba pasobra e cuenta ki tin mi harta! Pero cualkier cos mi ta laga bo sa. Kiermen awor aki TopFm 95.1 ta bezig ta buscando informashon pa wak si Joran enberdad tin pool na su cas.

Posted by: Aruban | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:24 PM
today i have listen at radio cu parece one of the bewakernan owing to tell cu joran was cry in cel y cu the is very preocupa y parece cu the la tell jones cu they three owing to word canto of pool at joran his cas. dus cada rato have one another version. dus as see now what is leave of the caso here. i am wait for cu one of they talk for end because the cuenta what have my harta! but cualkier cos i am let do you know. kiermen now here topfm 95.1 is bezig is buscando information for look at if joran enberdad have pool at his cas. come across

From Simian:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 25, 2008, 10:01:52 AM
Where is Destiny?

Maybe she could call Tim aka Robalo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 10:07:59 AM
MUM,

I know he was questioned on the 18th (doubt it helps much)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html

from the same link:

Suspects may be held up to 116 days -- and in rare cases even longer -- before formal charges are filed, said Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 10:11:38 AM
Before everyone jumps on the Shango bandwagon and starts, once again, naming people that are not mentioned in PV's and media reports and things of that nature...we should keep in mind that several things concerning Shango, Robablo, and Simian have been known for some time.  I would suggest it prudent to be cautious in certain cases...sometimes exposure can send people in hiding and totally destroy any foundations previously built by others in trying to find answers.   :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 25, 2008, 10:12:04 AM
Where is Destiny?

Maybe she could call Tim aka Robalo.

I hope Klaas knows the area of the IP if its FT Lauderdale or Jacksonville it would be an interesting coincidence


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 25, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
Before everyone jumps on the Shango bandwagon and starts, once again, naming people that are not mentioned in PV's and media reports and things of that nature...we should keep in mind that several things concerning Shango, Robablo, and Simian have been known for some time.  I would suggest it prudent to be cautious in certain cases...sometimes exposure can send people in hiding and totally destroy any foundations previously built by others in trying to find answers.   :roll:

Foundations previously built?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 10:14:26 AM
Where is Destiny?

Maybe she could call Tim aka Robalo.


You have email.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Where is Destiny?

Maybe she could call Tim aka Robalo.

Good morning...I think she is on the phone to Mr Werner in Brazil...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 25, 2008, 10:23:58 AM
Where is Destiny?

Maybe she could call Tim aka Robalo.


You have email.
Carry on...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:29:36 AM
MUM,

I know he was questioned on the 18th (doubt it helps much)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html

from the same link:

Suspects may be held up to 116 days -- and in rare cases even longer -- before formal charges are filed, said Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor.


I remember something??? about the 14th from a long while ago! I wonder what would make Joran cry in his cell though.

Vague memory of two something bad/confessions as well...one being June 10th.

I will check back and see if I can find where Paulus was held for the 6 hours.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on March 25, 2008, 10:39:00 AM
Where is Destiny?

Maybe she could call Tim aka Robalo.

Pass the *number* please....;-)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on March 25, 2008, 10:40:56 AM
Before everyone jumps on the Shango bandwagon and starts, once again, naming people that are not mentioned in PV's and media reports and things of that nature...we should keep in mind that several things concerning Shango, Robablo, and Simian have been known for some time.  I would suggest it prudent to be cautious in certain cases...sometimes exposure can send people in hiding and totally destroy any foundations previously built by others in trying to find answers.   :roll:

Lala's is very *wise*... I'll follow her lead on any phone calls...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2008, 10:48:36 AM
WARNING:  Please do not post any more information regarding Robalo33 in the open forum. It's really not a good idea for MANY reasons.

Natalee's family has all information that has been gathered.  Posting real life names in the open forum will not help but could hurt.






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 10:57:23 AM
Have you guys read the Grey Whisper posts? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 11:03:50 AM
Have you guys read the Grey Whisper posts? 

Lala's...Good Morning...I do remember one about Freddy, but I don't think they were posted in the old thread. I think I found them and read them online. and if I saved them, I'll never find them! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 11:05:47 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 11:07:23 AM
the grey whisper said...
texan, the answer lies at the roulette table.

3:45 PM
Dan in Tx said...
So Shango said, whisper.

"Ask the dicemen who roll" what happened to Mary. I shall have to look over all of Shango's posts again and see if my interpretation of him has changed since last June.

Shango also asked, "Do the Babylonians make movies?", which is interesting because I've heard several accusations that Freddy Arambatzis films these parties (one such accuser was Jossy Mansur), and that leads me to wonder why, in the leaked transcripts, why did K2 say that Freddy needed to come clean?
I wonder...who did Freddy work for? Wait a minute- doesn't Michael Posner have a rap sheet that includes prostitution charges in Chicago?

7:16 AM
the grey whisper said...
is freddy's purse tied to the black numbers/////

texan, the answer is in the numbers 01 06 05

who are the other guests at that charade?





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 25, 2008, 11:08:24 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


I would say Grey Whisper posts should be here in the Shango/Codetalkers forum.  If you have them go ahead and start a new thread HERE called Grey Whisper posts.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 11:10:39 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Something about a purse????  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 11:12:59 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


I would say Grey Whisper posts should be here in the Shango/Codetalkers forum.  If you have them go ahead and start a new thread HERE called Grey Whisper posts.

Well poop!  That's what I meant. LOL  I just said ICD because I was thinking we have our own version of case documents.  So, I am missing a few bricks this morning?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 11:24:02 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


I would say Grey Whisper posts should be here in the Shango/Codetalkers forum.  If you have them go ahead and start a new thread HERE called Grey Whisper posts.

Well poop!  That's what I meant. LOL  I just said ICD because I was thinking we have our own version of case documents.  So, I am missing a few bricks this morning?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


LOL...I just made MORE coffee!!! And you are too quick for me...but I'm playing catch-up!!!

I will post the Simian posts from the 23rd. that we found in the Simian thread and if Klaas finds out they are not 'real' she can delete them...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 11:35:22 AM
Lala's...while we are re-organizing the furniture, do you remember when Magnolia posted all the Shango posts? They are only up to the 28th. in the Shango/Simian thread. Do we need to take them over there from the old thread or just put a link?  TIA

They are here, right down the bottom of the page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.520


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 11:41:34 AM
Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on March 25, 2008, 12:08:11 PM
Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.


and...*nasty* little movies they are...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 12:54:27 PM
Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.


My guess would be that night club like place that maybe  the same as the whitehouse apts.  I am not sure. I think it may be that place that was on the Arubasillence site.  Actually, what does Dave's book say?  I don't have the book. Where is Janet when you need her? LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 12:56:46 PM
Yes, Mum we should add the other Simian posts.  I think I have a list of the fake ones too.  If it happens they are fake then we can get them deleted or moved to the fake place...wherever that is. :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Yes, Mum we should add the other Simian posts.  I think I have a list of the fake ones too.  If it happens they are fake then we can get them deleted or moved to the fake place...wherever that is. :roll:

Lala's...I added the Simian posts to the real Simian ones with the FP links so Klaas can look at them and delete if they are not really 'real'.

What about the Shango ones from 6/28 through 6/30 that Magnolia posted? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 02:01:52 PM
Part of me thinks that the government agreed to the cover-up that had initially been started by Straaten, PVDS & vonKING ... A large part of my mind believes that the government of LieRuba has possession of Natalee, partook in her final destination & has had from sometime in June 2005. 

yes

cuz I have no doubt that, if SGs had been successfully framed,
NH's body would have been produced/used to convict them

therefore, some involved in coverup knew where her body was ...
and they kept it hidden until the frame-up could play out (plan A)

can only imagine their reactions when that didn't happen,
leading to plan B, not LOL




I totally agree with you on this...friends in high places!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 02:07:47 PM
Thanks to SS and texasmom on all the research....I have one that I would really like you guys (gals) to work on....any guesses as to whom that would be....? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 02:10:56 PM
Lala's...do you know which place they are talking about here?  TIA

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.


My guess would be that night club like place that maybe  the same as the whitehouse apts.  I am not sure. I think it may be that place that was on the Arubasillence site.  Actually, what does Dave's book say?  I don't have the book. Where is Janet when you need her? LOL


This from Pita in the NAH thread...again... Thank You Pita!

Reply #876 on: Today at 01:40:17 PM » Pita

This information can be found in Dave's book, page 52.

Summary:

Dave discusses a motel next door to the VIP Club.  He was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  The day Dave was there he heard girls were escorted in and out of the rooms.  He also heard somebody had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.  Dave said there was reason to believe that the Buddhist who Dave met at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to him.  The authorities were investigating this.  Nothing ever evolved from it.  Dave also heard this might be the place where Freddy alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  Freddy denied the charge, but admitted he was present when photos of the girl in "temping poses" were taken.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Altruist on March 25, 2008, 02:11:47 PM
SS and texasmom…I am a little confused on the Solognier/Solagnier names. Can either you help? Are they connected or are they two separated families? TIA

Altruist…there was discussion on the NAH thread about a party on the ‘Tattoo’ about a month or so ago. Klaas posted that there was one on the Saturday night, as the place where the after-party for the Soul Beach Festival became too crowded and some partied on the ‘Tattoo’. I have wondered if there was one on the Sunday as well, but if it was a big party, I’m sure we would have at least heard something from tourists.

Interesting that Aruba lost the Soul Beach Festival for 2006/2007 and appears to have it back this year, IIRC...what happened to 'no wampum for many years'?


Interesting isn't it Mum?  If there was a partay my thoughts are that it was scheduled for after closing time at C&C for PIMPS only, gang bang time.  Wouldn't surprise me if initiation of younger related PIGS could have been involved.  Remember at the time of the searching we were told that ALE had diver's looking around the Tatoo?  Me thinks everything out of the mouths should be reversed as this is LieRuba.

Island of PIGS, island of LIARS, island of INJUSTICE.

Wouldn't surprise me to learn PIMPS take a VOTE to determine the prey from the last night of an American tourist group of teens.

The first Saturday night of March 2008 there was a 48 Hours Mystery program that aired about young women who had disappeared in Japan.  Two young women 7 years apart had been the victim of the same predator whose method was to CHLOROFORM the prey, big surprise the predator was from an "influential family".  Another predator has been identified but who escaped capture & is believed to be in hiding with the aid of his "influential family".  PIGS exist everywhere & those that continue to ignore their participation & continue to treat them in a civilized manner are just as guilty as they are IMO.  THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR VICTIMIZING OF THE INNOCENT.  At least the authorities in Japan have sought to capture these predator's, not protect them.  The young women who fell victim to these perverts were in Japan to explore while teaching the English language, IIRC.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 25, 2008, 02:17:07 PM
On June 5, Aruban police detained Antonius "Mickey" John and Abraham Jones, former security guards

On June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested  on suspicion of kidnapping and/or murdering Holloway

John and Jones were released on June 13.

On June 11, David Cruz, spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice indicated that Natalee Holloway was dead and authorities knew the location of her body.

On Friday, June 17, a fourth person, later identified as disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes was also arrested

On June 22 Aruban police detained Van der Sloot's father, Paulus van der Sloot for questioning, and arrested him the same day

He was released on June 26  after agreeing to waive his right not to testify against his son.

Croes was released on June 27.  

On Monday, July 4, a Judge Commissioner released Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, but they were re-arrested on August 26  along with another new suspect, Freddy Arambatzis,

On September 3, 2005, all four of the detained suspects were released by a judge   September 14 all restrictions on them were removed by the Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba

On April 15, 2006, Geoffrey von Cromvoirt was arrested by Aruban authorities  Von Cromvoirt was released on April 25, 2006

Another individual with initials "A.B." was arrested on April 22, 2006, but was released the same day

On May 17, 2006, another suspect, Guido Wever, the son of a former Aruban politician, was detained  

he was  released on May 23, 2006  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_holloway#Initial_arrests_.28June-August_2005.29


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 02:17:51 PM
Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??

It amazes me when I read the old posts just how uninformed or misinformed we really were. I am equally amazed that more of this wasn't picked up on by the cable networks.
It seems that everyone on Aruba knew what was happening at times and if MSM found out, well it was retracted. For example, Geraldo on June 14th, IIRC and the porn movies, not mentioned again until the last news event.

Interesting that the post says we were cheated!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 25, 2008, 02:22:05 PM
Sorry that was hard to look at..

On June 5, Aruban police detained Antonius "Mickey" John and Abraham Jones, former security guards

On June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and/or murdering Holloway

John and Jones were released on June 13.On June 11, David Cruz, spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice indicated that Natalee Holloway was dead and authorities knew the location of her body.

On Friday, June 17, a fourth person, later identified as disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes was also arrested

On June 22 Aruban police detained Van der Sloot's father, Paulus van der Sloot for questioning, and arrested him the same day

He was released on June 26 after agreeing to waive his right not to testify against his son.

Croes was released on June 27.

On Monday, July 4, a Judge Commissioner released Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, but they were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect, Freddy Arambatzis,

On September 3, 2005, all four of the detained suspects were released by a judge

 September 14 all restrictions on them were removed by the Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba

On April 15, 2006, Geoffrey von Cromvoirt was arrested by Aruban authorities

Von Cromvoirt was released on April 25, 2006

Another individual with initials "A.B." was arrested on April 22, 2006, but was released the same day

On May 17, 2006, another suspect, Guido Wever, the son of a former Aruban politician, was detained


he was  released on May 23, 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_holloway#Initial_arrests_.28June-August_2005.29
 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 25, 2008, 02:34:46 PM

Arrests in order

 1.
 2.
 3.June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested

 4.Steve Gregory Croes
 5.Paulus van der Sloot
 6. Deepak and Satish  Freddy Arambatzis,
 7.Geoffrey von Cromvoirt
 8.initials "A.B." was arrested  ???
 9. Guido Wever


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
Klaas i have a question

on old post of yours said:

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Was Robalo's IP the same as Shango's and can you also see where that ip is located?(In what city or area ?)





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Robalo_(SS-273)




Good Morning...I think! I am not sure what a sunken WW2 sub has to do with a poster...LOL ::MonkeyConfused::

Back to catching up and more coffee...


Mum:

What state do you live in?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 05:38:55 PM
Mum:

Kids?
 ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 06:53:07 PM
Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??

It amazes me when I read the old posts just how uninformed or misinformed we really were. I am equally amazed that more of this wasn't picked up on by the cable networks.
It seems that everyone on Aruba knew what was happening at times and if MSM found out, well it was retracted. For example, Geraldo on June 14th, IIRC and the porn movies, not mentioned again until the last news event.

Interesting that the post says we were cheated!



Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:59 am
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.


The "fallen judge....."    complicit


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 25, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.

The "fallen judge....."    complicit

when reading reports containing numerical labels
we must keep in mind that media outlets can be misled

it's entirely possible to "manage" what reaches the larger public domain

It amazes me when I read the old posts just how uninformed or misinformed we really were. I am equally amazed that more of this wasn't picked up on by the cable networks.

It seems that everyone on Aruba knew what was happening at times and if MSM found out, well it was retracted. For example, Geraldo on June 14th, IIRC and the porn movies, not mentioned again until the last news event.

Interesting that the post says we were cheated!

Geraldo early-mid june:
ATM withdrawals
porn video
JvdS lines of credit at casinos
JvdS drives most tricked out car in aruba
(I know/I know ... he didn't drive ... that woulda been illegal, ROFLMFAO)

Alcazar's Revenge

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:05 am Post subject: Van Rijn
I do not understand the fixation on Van Rijn. The Police eliminated him as a suspect after extensive harassment. They even literally took his boat, cars and house apart.

He was brought in for questioning a couple of times, but somehow this was not brought in the limelight by the interviews on TV.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: Rape?
Why you haven't seen his face on TV, because he was never pointed to by the Twitty's. That is why.

It is a public secret that the casino employees pointed to him as being involved with Natalee and the group during their stay in Aruba. Even alluding to a romantic involvement with Natalee.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:03 am Post subject: Raids
Raids on and visits by the Police to Van Rijn's home and his mother's were widely documented with pictures in Aruban newspapers.

Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:18 am Post subject: Aruban Newspapers
Diario and Bondia Aruba both posted telelens pictures of the police at his mother's house.

I believe it was in the week right after the trio's arrest.


Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

Quote from: MumInOhio
Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Same arrest....now it didn't happen!
by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.
According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Holloway.
Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.
However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.


However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.

SM FP June 17
BREAKING NEWS: 4th  Person Arrested in Natalee Holloway case
(CORRECTION NO 5th PERSON)
UPDATE- CORRECTION
Fifth person was detained, but released last night.

1 JvdS
2 Deepak Kalpoe
3 Satish Kalpoe
4 june 11 mystery arrest
5 june 16 mystery arrest

6 SGC
7 PvdS




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 09:24:59 PM


Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Second Arrest to Occur Saturday
The Blog Wire »
Freddie “Locoman Pimp” Questioned Before, Sells Sex (VIDEO)

In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this.  Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/08/26/freddie-locoman-pimp-questioned-before-sells-sex-video/





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 09:55:50 PM



Looks like the 14th. And the 18th. for Paulus…


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


p164

Tuesday June 14th, 2005

Paul speaks with with chief commissioner Jan van der Straaten, they know each other professionally but are not close friends.

Van der Straaten: I pointed out that I was amazed about Joran's different reactions. One moment crying, the other moment he is more cautious, as if there are two Joran's.

Paul: “It is true that Joran can lie. He has amongst other things been in therapy for that by a psychiatrist. It was the intention he would have his final appointment there today. We as parents have been there. We thought it was going well with Joran, because the exit-meeting would take place, but also the psychiatrist expresses her worries about that.”

Van der Straaten: “I ask Paul whether Joran is heavily into ‘girls’.” Paul: “He is very popular with the girls. We never received any signs of disrespectful behavior to girls by Joran”.

Van der Straaten: I ask Paul if he thinks it is respectful to leave a girl of 18 years old alone on the beach after his son was satisfied.

P 165

Paul responds to this: “No, surely not. We as parents cannot agree with that.”

I confront Paul with the proposition that he knows exactly what happened that night. Paulus reacts non-verbally surprised and says: “It surprises me that you even consider that. If I would know, I most certainly would have informed you. I am shocked that that is what you think.”
I tell Paulus that he must not react that way, since during the first (lied) story he had been active in calling together a meeting with the other suspects. Paulus says: “It is true that I fully trusted the story of the boys, and I have been disappointed in that.”


After that Paul is interrogated about having explained the legal procedures:

It is indeed true that I explained to them how the procedures of the ‘Wetboek van Strafvordering’ work. To your question if I have said that if there is ‘no body there is no case’, I can declare that I might have said something meaning that it is difficult to suspect someone of a crime when no body is found. Joran is under treatment of a psychiatrist because he stole money from us and has lied about that. If Joran had told me he had killed the girl, Id have gone to the police with him.


Saturday June 18th, 2005

Paul is interrogated today for 6 hours:

I’ve believed the story that Joran, Deepak and Satish told, until Joran changed his statement. After that Freddy came to us and told us a different story. Joran had gone to the beach with the girl. Freddy had told this story shortly after he was interviewed by the police. My wife and I were very angry with Joran for apparently not telling us the truth. My wife and the lawyer then confronted Joran with this. According to my wife Joran reacted calmly and said that he had always told Freddy the truth. I believed the boys and I hoped that the girl would re-appear soon. When this didn’t happen I had told them that if they were the last to have been seen with this girl, they could become suspects. That’s why I prepared them for this and told them what they could expect if they would be arrested. I repeatedly told them that they would not have any difficulty with this, because as said, they were telling the truth. I have repeatly told them in general terms, that if the girl wouldn’t be found, that this could create a problem for them, and added to that would come that it then remains unclear whether a crime and what crime had been committed.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:00:08 PM
Interesting!!!

From Joran’s book translation…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


In Klaas’ reply #3

At the blackjack table are sitting two men, one of them is white, about 45 years of age and has dark hair. Madison had seen this guy two days before already in the Holiday Inn Casino. Some people thought they recognized Joran`s father, but Paul was already gone. The other one, is a quiet white young guy. He has said, he came from the Netherlands and that he was 19 years old....       li'l Shango's MommyJoined: 23 Mar 2006Posts: 8448Location: The Hague, The Netherlands


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 25, 2008, 10:00:47 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 10:17:17 PM
So who is the 5th suspect?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:20:18 PM
The recurring name in this saga...DEA, FBI and a Judge...

September 1st 2005

Anthony visits again, has not heard back from the judge, only knows that Joran will be confronted with Deepak and Satish again on Saturday. Anthony leaves but returns ten minutes later and says, "Judge Williams has decided to release you on Saturday at 15:00." Joran jumps for joy.

++++

And one I told Lala's about ages ago...

Page 206

It was very hot in the prison and Joran contracted some form of rash or acne. Later that day, the court heard the appeal against Joran’s detention being extended. There was another fight in the prison.

Joran heard that the police grabbed Freddy by the throat ad that Guido was “seriously” interrogated by the Dutch police. Joran believes the police still believe that Paulus had something to do with Natalee’s disappearance. The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”
++++

I wonder what was in Jossy's paper that day?

Page 215

July 27th

Joran went to court to appeal against the taking of the DNA sample.

Upon his return, Joran reads an article in Diario that has him quite upset, although he does not elaborate. According to Joran, Jossy Mansur publicizes “nonsense” and is only interested in obtaining an American visa.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:22:30 PM
So who is the 5th suspect?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:29:44 PM
Goodnight Lala's...going to sleep on it and the 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit!!!

Thanks for helping out with Caps and those Simian posts...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 25, 2008, 10:30:15 PM
So who is the 5th suspect?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused::

We have clues...just too many and not enough all at the same time.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 25, 2008, 10:34:27 PM
So who is the 5th suspect?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused::

We have clues...just too many and not enough all at the same time.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We keep going around in circles....By the way...the Grey Whisper seems to think Freddy was in the casino! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 12:32:23 AM
So who is the 5th suspect?  ::MonkeyShocked::

a dutchy

... IF we go by: JvdS/K2 + june 11 guy + june 16 guy = 5

june 17 FP posts following SGC's 6am arrest:
aia/checkme and a couple other locals IIRC
were discussing both arrests

checkme said guy last night was dutchy
and guy this morning not dutchy

but checkme got their relationships w/ J/K2 backwards

said dutchy arrested previous night was friend of K2
and not dutchy arrested that morning was friend of JvdS

whereas we/some of us are of the opinion that
SGC = friend of K2/or at least Deepak
and LvR is friend of JvdS

aia is the one IIRC whose description of dutchy
matched LvR in every major detail

ding ding ding ... ?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 12:37:35 AM
Page 206

The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”

wasn't aware that FBI was allowed to interview anyone.
thought they were granted *******-only status

and who is David?
 
is he the only one who left the den alive?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 01:17:35 AM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

was reading too fast earlier and didn't see this ... thank you!

ding ding ding


By the way...the Grey Whisper seems to think Freddy was in the casino!

the short list would be those who weren't in the casino  :roll:




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 04:43:53 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Rodriquez and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 04:46:22 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:05:28 AM
Page 206

The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”

wasn't aware that FBI was allowed to interview anyone.
thought they were granted *******-only status

and who is David?
 
is he the only one who left the den alive?




Just what I slept on...LoL...Let me see what I can find on David!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:10:59 AM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

was reading too fast earlier and didn't see this ... thank you!

ding ding ding


By the way...the Grey Whisper seems to think Freddy was in the casino!

the short list would be those who weren't in the casino  :roll:




I was referring to if Natalee could have met him earlier in the week...in the casino!...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 05:17:46 AM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.


5th suspect waltzes away

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.    (at this point PVDS name appears, 5th disappears)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 05:18:59 AM
and then PVDS=5th in news cycle


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 05:20:04 AM
"find DirtyHand"

PVDS had one or two cards.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 05:26:17 AM

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not  :wink:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:27:34 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.


Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:38:16 AM
Finngirl...This is my post to JE about 'David'....I will find the references in the links below and post them in a little while...If it was US David, then the FBI would be questioning, I hope....

« Reply #3628 on: March 20, 2008, 08:46:59 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JE…on the jealous boyfriend.

In Joran’s book, there is a reference to a jealous boyfriend, a David. I am not sure if this is the same David mentioned as going to ASI and whose mother worked for US Customs. I don’t even know if this is David’s real last name that Joran states in the book, probably not. It could also be David Wever or it could also be someone else and Joran used the name ‘David’ as he did with Marco and Guido.

He may have even included this all in his book because of the Simian posts. Who knows…after all the book is listed as fiction.

Here are both the book links…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 05:57:38 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.


Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA

Now About freddy

Martina   Fred A        8/5/1980               Aruba
Martina   Wilfred E        6/12/1945              Bonaire

Fred Martina was the one that did make the porn film in Aruba. His Father is a big wig in the ALE. Both live Hooiberg 94F

Fred A , The A can be the lat name that the cops has given him and not to use his real last name to protect the father position
This is the family structure

These are the people living at the Address

Kock   Johannes J                 1/30/1972   Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Kock, geb. Martina   Sandra                11/11/1970   Cali                Hooiberg 94FLaaf   Ashwin A                             6/1/1974                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Fred A                             8/5/1980                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Wilfred E                             6/12/1945   Bonaire               Hooiberg 94F
Martina, geb. Gonzalez   Nubia F   10/7/1949   Mocoa                Hooiberg 94F
[/color]Spanner   Arelis G                             2/20/1978   San Cristobal   Hooiberg 94F

The blue are a family

The back bold is fred family

Fred us the one that made the porn movie of a young girl teen in Aruba and he is part of the gang.

go to take some zzzz.







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 26, 2008, 06:05:00 AM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 06:24:15 AM
Finngirl...still getting the references from the translation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

ISLAND BOY

CHAPTER 3

page 5:

David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.

CHAPTER 5 – GIRLFRIENDS
 
You need to read this Chapter…really….about the ‘jealous boyfriend’


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 06:27:21 AM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?




Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 06:28:28 AM
Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 06:38:41 AM
Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.

Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 06:40:53 AM
From Caps quote

Well this show then that Freddy Zedan has notting to do with the case. it is the other protected Fred A. Every body calls Fred A. Freddy. So Fred Zedan is venezuelan and these are DUTCH... wonder ..
++++

Caps...Freddy was also called Arends on posts in 2005…I also believe his mother to be Dutch….see below in red...the poster opened the link and has no reason to lie...others would have also opened the link she posted.

She is no longer listed at the SC Bubali

From a post
is also the location of the Bird Sanctuary which has 2 ponds.
Here is the complete name of Freddy's mom:
LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

It appears that she has been married twice. I don't know if Rodriguez or Albert is her maiden name. Since she is listed as being "Dutch"  I would think that "Albert" was probably her maiden name....but, I am not sure. Can anybody help me out on this?
I have always thought "Zedan" was Freddy's last name until I found this other info. Could it be his middle name?
You can find this information at:
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_search.afp
Type in: S.C. BUBALI where it says TRADE NAME & then click search.

Posted by: Shelly | Monday, August 29, 2005 at 06:31 PM



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 06:43:27 AM
Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.

Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.


LOL...at Caps...how can I check the father if I don't know what the 'M' in F.A.M. stands for! 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 06:46:33 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.


Thanks Caps...America's favorite passtime!

Does this 'Freddy' have a last name? Is he about 24 years old?....TIA

Now About freddy

Martina   Fred A        8/5/1980               Aruba
Martina   Wilfred E        6/12/1945              Bonaire

Fred Martina was the one that did make the porn film in Aruba. His Father is a big wig in the ALE. Both live Hooiberg 94F

Fred A , The A can be the lat name that the cops has given him and not to use his real last name to protect the father position
This is the family structure

These are the people living at the Address

Kock   Johannes J                 1/30/1972   Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Kock, geb. Martina   Sandra                11/11/1970   Cali                Hooiberg 94FLaaf   Ashwin A                             6/1/1974                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Fred A                             8/5/1980                Aruba               Hooiberg 94F
Martina   Wilfred E                             6/12/1945   Bonaire               Hooiberg 94F
Martina, geb. Gonzalez   Nubia F   10/7/1949   Mocoa                Hooiberg 94F
[/color]Spanner   Arelis G                             2/20/1978   San Cristobal   Hooiberg 94F

The blue are a family

The back bold is fred family

Fred us the one that made the porn movie of a young girl teen in Aruba and he is part of the gang.

go to take some zzzz.








Found it...Thanks Caps...going to have a busy day....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 06:49:48 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 06:56:57 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:07:54 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.

there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.

 


Caps...there is a photo in the old thread...I will find it and post the link...may take a while...but I wonder who the older man is in this pic with Freddy?

I will post as soon as I find it!

Is Freddy the KEY?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 07:14:06 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:33:31 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol




Caps....I will see what I can find...there is a lot of 'talk' in Joran's book of Karen, and I thought it was her. I will find it and post after I find the pic...still looking!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:52:29 AM
Caps I found it!!! The picture…I mean…

Post 2664…Thanks Kermit…

I am not sure if the Ernesto in this pic is the same as the one on the previous page!

HELP….SHARON, KERMIT or vms….Please!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2660



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 08:06:13 AM
Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

=============

46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.


Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 08:42:52 AM
Find something new every time I read that book translation... ::MonkeyEek::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 26, 2008, 09:28:30 AM
So who is the 5th suspect?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't have a darn clue!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect  in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance

Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)


Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.


 Aruba
 Alabama
 Crime, Law and Justice
 or Create Your Own
Manage Alerts | What Is This? ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.

Prosecutors decided to keep Paul Van Der Sloot, 53, in custody for questioning for 48 hours, Aruba Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said.


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/story_van_der_sloot_cnn.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 26, 2008, 09:48:25 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol



Those allegations were offered in an affidavit from a previous Twitty attorney, C. Helen Lejuez. The Tacopina response claims to have identified the Jane Doe as one, Karen Martina,  who filed an affidavit under her own name claiming she never told Lejuez such things, nor did she prefer to travel to New York to testify on Joran's behalf.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/natalee_holloway/index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 09:50:46 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol



Those allegations were offered in an affidavit from a previous Twitty attorney, C. Helen Lejuez. The Tacopina response claims to have identified the Jane Doe as one, Karen Martina,  who filed an affidavit under her own name claiming she never told Lejuez such things, nor did she prefer to travel to New York to testify on Joran's behalf.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/natalee_holloway/index.html


Thanks Blonde...I recalled something about that and was going to look for it!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 26, 2008, 10:18:43 AM
O/T

Mum - CBB had your original.  Need my help putting it on?


(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/MumInOhio.jpg)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/MumInOhio.jpg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 10:51:38 AM
Hi all,

There was a freddy that was arrested in 2004 for making/ preparing the porn movie of a Teen Girl, He was in KIA for something else, I do think he supose to get a work with selimar and his father worked for Blue Team. His father is a High Ranking Official in the blue Team. I do remeber that he was in for leaving the stove on and trying  to burn the Girlreinds house. The Judge at that time, knowing his father give him house arrest but he break the house arrest and went out to party. The Girlfriend call the cops becuase he was out with other girls in Bahia and C&C. He was wearing a wig that night but the girlfriend did recognise him and call the cops.

He was sent to KIA and then let go.

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Reyes and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 

correct the last name of Dominquez.

Caps...what is the Blue Team?...Is it some sort of elite squad, paramilitary type?

There were posts when Steve Croes was arrested at Rhiel World that his Dad was part of some squad. This was during the confusion of exactly who was picked up on the 16th. and the 17th. of June and Croes initials then surfaced.

TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 11:05:31 AM
From Caps:

will check, He was a friend of David Lung and Dominquez Rodriquez and Fred they were the friend of that Baseball Pitcher Ponson who slap a Judge in Aruba on the beach.

All these are beach bums with only thing in their head is to score.

DL, DR and FRED are heavely in XTC and trafficing.
 


Caps....Rodriguez...keeps popping up. It has been posted that Freddy' mom has been married a couple of times and he has step brothers and sisters with different names. One being Sasha R.

Freddy's mom name...there is another from ISA - questioned three times.

LILIAN REGINA ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 11:16:21 AM

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not  :wink:




Finn...please help me here...Simian said that she met another guy in the same casino, which I am taking she as she met the boyfriend from earlier in the week at the same place. If we can put Freddy, Lorenzo, GVC or Steve in that casino, doesn't that help in making them fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect?   TIA

Caps...I got behind this morning and am playing catchup...just saw the Reyes...still looking at Rodriguez though!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 11:23:03 AM
Finngirl….Posted by Buckeye originally IIRC…Notice that Jossy thinks on 8/26 that Freddy is being held for a false alibi….

Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

Page 152
[Chapter] 11 Breakthrough Due to Best Friend Freddy

The police even interrogates all my friends and acquaintances. On June 12 2005 they interrogate my best friend, Freddy Zedan.

Posted by Ade69 (a new poster at RU, and could be Joran for all I know, regarding the explanation in Joran's book about Freddy's statements:

The translation is alright, it is probably the source for the "going in and out of conscious"-myth.

Here are the two last paragraphs of chapter 11 with Joran's explanation:

Freddy has been put under enormous pressure by the police, he was even arrested. He was terrified and as a Venezuelan in Aruba very vulnerable due to fear of deportation. He became a string puppet for the police and he did everything to prevent being arrested again.

chapter 11 deals w/ june 2005 events involving Freddy

the Freddy/K2 arrest was in august 2005

"he was even arrested" ... "to prevent being arrested again"
refers to june, yes?





I say, YES!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on March 26, 2008, 11:46:18 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


Now for Karen,

In my Database I have all the Martina but no Karen....Hmmmm

Do you have some info on this Karen.. DOB or age.

The only thing I think is that Kock Martina Sandra could have a use a false name or she must have another initials.

No Karen Martina in DATABASE.

Need to be checked out...

it now 7:15 , time for some kellogs honey weed & milk with omega-3 lol



Karin Martina  Age 19   Birthday  October 5

(http://userpics-72.hi5.com/userpics/172/155/155119172.img.jpg)

http://www.hi5.com/friend/687673--Karen--Profile-html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 12:09:44 PM
Caps...there is a lot in this PV about Karen...probably more than you want to know...

Joran...6/24...This was the day he refused to make a statement and came back with all the Karen stuff. I will fetch her info on when she talked to Jacobs.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 12:15:05 PM
Thanks Pita...I am still looking at her site.

Caps



Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 01:29:07 PM

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not  :wink:




Finn...please help me here...Simian said that she met another guy in the same casino, which I am taking she as she met the boyfriend from earlier in the week at the same place. If we can put Freddy, Lorenzo, GVC or Steve in that casino, doesn't that help in making them fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect?   TIA

Caps...I got behind this morning and am playing catchup...just saw the Reyes...still looking at Rodriguez though!


Find DirtyHand
He too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 01:30:32 PM
Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

=============

46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.


Fin

I think from the list above we forgot one of those S.O.B's Mr. F.A.P.M van Duetekom.

Check what info you have on this man... good friend of Paules.. He is a Prosecuter. But he is not on the list.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 01:43:39 PM
Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 01:50:35 PM
JE...Would you please have a look at this link and see if there is anything interesting on the friend that Caps just posted about. It will take me a week of Sundays to translate and read. Thanks in advance.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Frans+van+Deutekom


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 01:57:02 PM

yes, the long list would be the pimps/playahs
who were in the casino(s) that week ...

short list would be those (if any) who were not  :wink:




Finn...please help me here...Simian said that she met another guy in the same casino, which I am taking she as she met the boyfriend from earlier in the week at the same place. If we can put Freddy, Lorenzo, GVC or Steve in that casino, doesn't that help in making them fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect?   TIA

Caps...I got behind this morning and am playing catchup...just saw the Reyes...still looking at Rodriguez though!


Find DirtyHand
He too walked in this house of babylon
but not to satiate desire


I didn't include Paulus in the list as I just posted that he was seen in the casino two days before...and we know he frequents the place...LOL

Not sure what Finn is trying to tell me on the short list....still...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 02:06:15 PM
who on your list was one or two cards that were played?

re: the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week......

has anyone pondered that maybe ol' PVDS didn't get caught earlier in the week? that maybe Sim was pointing to the evidence in as tactful a way as possible.....I mean, if NH were to be with anybody voluntarily, would any type of intoxicant be necessary?

the charges (PVDS):  suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping

the hidden card (not hidden suspect) was played by PVDS....if he could break the alibi, was he w/ JVDS or PVDS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 26, 2008, 02:23:34 PM
Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html


Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 

A.        Aruban authorities

 

 

-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice

-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice

-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police

-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner

-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector

-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau

-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)

-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))

-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer

-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)

-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist

-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General

-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)

-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

 

 

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest

 

-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer

-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer

-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 02:25:56 PM
who on your list was one or two cards that were played?  Lorenzo and Steve Croes

re: the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week......

has anyone pondered that maybe ol' PVDS didn't get caught earlier in the week? that maybe Sim was pointing to the evidence in as tactful a way as possible.....I mean, if NH were to be with anybody voluntarily, would any type of intoxicant be necessary?

the charges (PVDS):  suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping

the hidden card (not hidden suspect) was played by PVDS....if he could break the alibi, was he w/ JVDS or PVDS...but who said the alibi played for the Sloots?
[/color]


My answers in blue...

Lala's keeps saying this is not difficult...I can't get past pre-school!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 02:31:03 PM
Lots of familiar names on that list, vms. Thanks

I even asked for only English, and still ended up with them all in Dutch!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 02:47:03 PM
Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom, but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 02:57:59 PM
who on your list was one or two cards that were played?  Lorenzo and Steve Croes

re: the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week......

has anyone pondered that maybe ol' PVDS didn't get caught earlier in the week? that maybe Sim was pointing to the evidence in as tactful a way as possible.....I mean, if NH were to be with anybody voluntarily, would any type of intoxicant be necessary?

the charges (PVDS):  suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping

the hidden card (not hidden suspect) was played by PVDS....if he could break the alibi, was he w/ JVDS or PVDS...but who said the alibi played for the Sloots?
[/color]


My answers in blue...

Lala's keeps saying this is not difficult...I can't get past pre-school!


but who said the alibi played for the Sloots?
no body, no case-PVDS waltzed....but without his son
he must sing (confess?) for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 02:58:36 PM
it is certainly not easy.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 03:06:55 PM
"one witness is no witness" ...

came up when discussing that w/o further evidence,
it takes more than a witness statement
to persuade prosecutor/judge/jury that crime was committed

confessing to a crime, w/o further evidence,
is not enough to ensure conviction
or even a trial, for that matter

habeas corpus: latin for (we command) that you have the body

"show me the body"

also interpreted/defined as: show me the evidence ...
because not all crimes involve a body

all trials must produce evidence
above/beyond witness statement or confession

we need to read entire conversations, not just codetalker quotes



Absolutely!!  I have shouted this until I am blue in the face...frankly, I have given up trying to make this understood.  The mystery posters were not just talking to themselves...ever.  They were communicating with the other people in the comment sections...just as one person answers another now. 

For example: This is the reply from Simian after edie asked this question...it is plain and simple and answer to edie and no one else.



edie on June 26th, 2005 2:57 pm

I don’t know what to think… I thought Steve was the “music man” and that he was singing. If he was singing, they wouldn’t have let him go would they?


# Simian on June 26th, 2005 2:58 pm

The music man’s song was not on the bill.



edie on June 26th, 2005 3:00 pm

Ok I remember you saying this but I need some elaboration. Does that mean one witness will not do or nothing he said had to do with the investigation… I know you cant tell us so I guess we will see.




Shango picks up on the conversation between Simian and the others and jumps in with:

max on June 26th, 2005 3:08 pm

Looks like sc providing a boat theory is out less they just couldnt prove it. Think they said you have to go out a mile before the current takes hold. Anyone know the details on that.


# Shango on June 26th, 2005 3:09 pm

Simian,

who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….








Then the conversation becomes more between Simian and Shango, but Simian goes back to answer a question that was asked several minutes before when Yolande and edie are asking where Shockthemonkey is:



Simian on June 26th, 2005 3:18 pm

Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.

The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.



Context is important. MOO

 

Perhaps none of them expected Steve Croes to sing about seeing the HI dropoff.  They must not have or they would not have changed the story in the middle of the alibi.  He inserted himself to cover himself and give alibi to himself for his part in this.  By clearing the drop off, it is saying she was never where HE could get his hands on her.  It would have ended at the drop off.   There was a communications failure there and Steve Croes screwed up when he covered a lie before he found out they changed the lie to another one.    jack blue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 03:19:51 PM
Page 206

The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”

wasn't aware that FBI was allowed to interview anyone.
thought they were granted *******-only status

and who is David?
 
is he the only one who left the den alive?



Guido is supposed to have an older (model also) brother named David who is supposed to also be of the same gay persuasion as Guido.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 03:54:25 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks


A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees

Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too. [arawaks-polis]
Many teepees fall. No Wampum. [teepees=marriages]

The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 04:00:01 PM
Finngirl…the other part of what I posted this morning! As I said in the post to JE, it may all be fiction and included because of the Simian and Shango posts. It was the David and the lion's den that caught my eye.

From this link

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


Joran's book translations
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2007, 12:17:55 AM »

Hannie translations from parts of the book ... pgs 1-17 Refugee site.. thanks Hannie

Oh, another "juicy" thingy, when Joran was arrested he was also brought to Noord later on, another policestation. Abraham Jones was there, a woman who worked at the American customs, and the cousin of ..........Jossy, who was in one of those cells for involvement in a shooting....( we knew about the cousin and the shooting, but I didn`t knew that guy was in a cell near Joran.....)

Page 206

It was very hot in the prison and Joran contracted some form of rash or acne. Later that day, the court heard the appeal against Joran’s detention being extended. There was another fight in the prison.

Joran heard that the police grabbed Freddy by the throat ad that Guido was “seriously” interrogated by the Dutch police. Joran believes the police still believe that Paulus had something to do with Natalee’s disappearance. The FBI also interviewed “David’s mother.”


++++


I found something once that said that David was at the Racquet Club on the Monday, 5/30/2005. I have looked all over, thought it was in the one of the book translations, but didn’t see it this morning.

I included the ‘custom’s woman’ in here as Joran had said that David’s mother worked for them. Not sure how he could tell that it was a custom’s woman in the police station unless he was told or he knew her.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 26, 2008, 04:08:11 PM
So who is David?

If it isn't Freddy Zedan Abrambatizs then why was Anita so concerned about his PV?

If Paulus is the 5th person, does that mean the news media was counting the SG as 1 and 2?

Would Simian count them as 1 and 2 or would he disregard them, since he knew they were innocent?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 26, 2008, 04:25:04 PM
From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles.  ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 04:25:32 PM
Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom, but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.

Deutekom is the DirtyHand in OM , Why he is not on the List?. He was there in April 2005 till today.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 04:37:41 PM
Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom, but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.

Deutekom is the DirtyHand in OM , Why he is not on the List?. He was there in April 2005 till today.





Caps...I think this list is of the Judges in Aruba and from Curacao, does that help?

I was looking for one named Williams that Joran said in his book told Carlo that he would be released.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 04:53:41 PM
Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom, but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.

This is very interesting.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 04:55:02 PM
Remeber Simian :

3 car are involved.

I believe that Duedekom (CAR-3) came to give the Kalpoes instruction, around the pool

Kalpoe's went home (CAR-1) but the father was not there.
Deudekom in (CAR-3) drive Joran to the pond to Drop the body, (Car -3 Leaves) leaving Joran at foot. Deudekom call Paules to come pick his son up.
Joran Run to Mc Donalds from pond and
so the father in (CAR-2) had to pickup Joran at 4:00 at Mcdonalds


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 05:03:36 PM
From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles.  ::MonkeyConfused::




what were they holding?

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 05:06:56 PM
From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles.  ::MonkeyConfused::




Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 05:15:32 PM
Now here is a tibit,

When the government Lawyer, Hendrick Croes was in trouble, Hans Mos was there to over see the document, but on the tape you can see DirtyHand, He walk in all houses and consort with the ELDER which is the prime Minister.
see him on the video news clip, there you can see the public prosecuter Duetekom standing in the back.

Hendirick Croes walk free but the order for freedom must come from the Judge Commissares and not from the Chief prosecuter. or Public Prosecuter which is Duetekom.

If order is given to arrest, you have 24 hrs to bring the perp to the Judge  Commissares. He is the one that can release a peron if he see that there are no offense comitted. In the case of the cop being hit by the Lawyer, they themself commited a big error. We will see how this will play out.



 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 26, 2008, 05:26:27 PM
Now here is a tibit,

When the government Lawyer, Hendrick Croes was in trouble, Hans Mos was there to over see the document, but on the tape you can see DirtyHand, He walk in all houses and consort with the ELDER which is the prime Minister.
see him on the video news clip, there you can see the public prosecuter Duetekom standing in the back.

Hendirick Croes walk free but the order for freedom must come from the Judge Commissares and not from the Chief prosecuter. or Public Prosecuter which is Duetekom.

If order is given to arrest, you have 24 hrs to bring the perp to the Judge  Commissares. He is the one that can release a peron if he see that there are no offense comitted. In the case of the cop being hit by the Lawyer, they themself commited a big error. We will see how this will play out.



 

You are confusing me now...please go back to your latest revelation about the Duetekom guy.  Why has his name never come up before now?  How does Mos figure here if he wasn't involved until later? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 05:55:41 PM
Now here is a tibit,

When the government Lawyer, Hendrick Croes was in trouble, Hans Mos was there to over see the document, but on the tape you can see DirtyHand, He walk in all houses and consort with the ELDER which is the prime Minister.
see him on the video news clip, there you can see the public prosecuter Duetekom standing in the back.

Hendirick Croes walk free but the order for freedom must come from the Judge Commissares and not from the Chief prosecuter. or Public Prosecuter which is Duetekom.

If order is given to arrest, you have 24 hrs to bring the perp to the Judge  Commissares. He is the one that can release a peron if he see that there are no offense comitted. In the case of the cop being hit by the Lawyer, they themself commited a big error. We will see how this will play out.



 

You are confusing me now...please go back to your latest revelation about the Duetekom guy.  Why has his name never come up before now?  How does Mos figure here if he wasn't involved until later? 

Mos is the Chief Prosecuter and Duetekom is the Public prosecuter. before mos was Karen Jansen.

The Public Prosecuter is alway's hidden, How do I know this, The Aircondition man Knows.
Now this public prosecuter handle all cases related to the Government. He has the power of the LAW.
He is the one that will prepare a case that involes the a government official.

Karen Jansen Was replace by MOS. But Duetekom is the power.

another note: we are getting in to deep now...REGDAN ENOZ    ...He is the DH in the Natalee Case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2008, 06:19:09 PM



 ::MonkeyDance:: Excellent work, CapsLockWizard!  Thank You!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 26, 2008, 06:27:23 PM
I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2008, 06:43:07 PM
I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.



Quote
Post by KarmaRoundUp
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:13 AM 
I got this from the great link that TexasMom posted.I didn't know Guido was Booshi Wever's son.....shoot,it copied over in Dutch

 Son minister gets fined for threat

ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen. He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.


Er speelt al geruime tijd een conflict tussen aanhangers van OLA, waaronder de nummer twee op de lijst Danny van der Linde, en de familie Wever. There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever. Dit werd deels met ingezonden brieven in de ochtendkranten uitgevochten. This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out. Van der Linde en anderen deden vrijdag aangifte wegens bedreiging tegen de zoon van minister Wever. Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever. De jongeman werd daarop aangehouden door de politie en verhoord, maar kon even daarna weer gaan. The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.


Toen er zaterdag weer sprake zou zijn van bedreiging is Wever junior opgepakt en vastgehouden. When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained. Gisterochtend werd hij na het betalen van de boete op vrije voeten gesteld. Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet. Volgens zijn advocaat Anthony Carlo wilde de jongeman liever niet bakkeleien over de inhoud van het conflict. According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict. “Hij moet hier op Aruba een aantal dingen regelen voordat hij binnenkort weer teruggaat naar Cuba waar hij tandheelkunde studeert.” "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

Volgens de ministerszoon zou er niet echt sprake zijn van bedreiging: “Ik denk dat het Openbaar Ministerie duidelijk wil maken dat het hard zal optreden tegen bedreiging in politieke campagnes. According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns. Had ditzelfde feit in een andere context plaatsgevonden, dan was het waarschijnlijk lichter bestraft.” Overigens heeft minister Wever aangifte gedaan tegen Van der Linde, wegens het doen van valse aangifte. Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration. (Amigoe) (Amigoe)
 

Here's an article that was recently posted, but I've also heard or read that there are two Guido Wever's so I'm not sure.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 06:46:58 PM
about the music man:

JUne 25th

4:45 pm EDT: UPDATE
Hearings for the 5 suspects being held will be delayed until tomorrow. Fox is now reporting, that there was a problem with a flight from Curacao to Aruba, causing a delay. The hearings will be held tomorrow at 8:30

82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Saturday June 25” | View Post

His song IMO meaning testimony of seeing the kalpoes and joran at HI was thrown out

June 26th

9:31 AM: Four of the 5 suspects, Steve Croes is not there, are in the court house with the Judge that just recently arrived. They will be meeting individually with the Judge and the prosecutor.

10:40 Steve Croes’s is also at the courthouse now, Fox News is reporting that a decision is due soon.

1:30 PM Steve Croes will be released on Monday. Attorney says that he will be released as the judge has determined there is not enough to hold him.

74.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Posted Jun 26, 2:58 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Sunday Morning Update” | View Post



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 26, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Guidosfather.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 06:50:50 PM
I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.



Quote
Post by KarmaRoundUp
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:13 AM 
I got this from the great link that TexasMom posted.I didn't know Guido was Booshi Wever's son.....shoot,it copied over in Dutch

 Son minister gets fined for threat

ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen. He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.


Er speelt al geruime tijd een conflict tussen aanhangers van OLA, waaronder de nummer twee op de lijst Danny van der Linde, en de familie Wever. There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever. Dit werd deels met ingezonden brieven in de ochtendkranten uitgevochten. This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out. Van der Linde en anderen deden vrijdag aangifte wegens bedreiging tegen de zoon van minister Wever. Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever. De jongeman werd daarop aangehouden door de politie en verhoord, maar kon even daarna weer gaan. The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.


Toen er zaterdag weer sprake zou zijn van bedreiging is Wever junior opgepakt en vastgehouden. When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained. Gisterochtend werd hij na het betalen van de boete op vrije voeten gesteld. Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet. Volgens zijn advocaat Anthony Carlo wilde de jongeman liever niet bakkeleien over de inhoud van het conflict. According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict. “Hij moet hier op Aruba een aantal dingen regelen voordat hij binnenkort weer teruggaat naar Cuba waar hij tandheelkunde studeert.” "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

Volgens de ministerszoon zou er niet echt sprake zijn van bedreiging: “Ik denk dat het Openbaar Ministerie duidelijk wil maken dat het hard zal optreden tegen bedreiging in politieke campagnes. According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns. Had ditzelfde feit in een andere context plaatsgevonden, dan was het waarschijnlijk lichter bestraft.” Overigens heeft minister Wever aangifte gedaan tegen Van der Linde, wegens het doen van valse aangifte. Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration. (Amigoe) (Amigoe)
 

Here's an article that was recently posted, but I've also heard or read that there are two Guido Wever's so I'm not sure.


Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA [Robert WEVER]; Aruban Liberal Organization


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 07:02:18 PM
Brought this over from NCD thread
posted by ******* who was wondering who this guy was. Guy was at Jorans house after his gettin out of KIA party

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2lc2o1w.jpg)

I added the insert of "curley" in the GVC photos
Anyone else think he looks like the curley guy in the GVC pics?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2008, 07:15:33 PM
I've been a Texas Rangers fan for a very long time, don't go to as many games as I used to; but did notice when they acquired Sidney Ponson from Aruba...  I'd saved some clips of his past problems in case the name ever came up..
 ::MonkeyWink::

Twins say goodbye to struggling Ponson
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869253 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869253)

http://www.aruba-zone.com/content/view/154/1/lang,en/ (http://www.aruba-zone.com/content/view/154/1/lang,en/)
Sidney Ponson!        
Thursday, 22 February 2007 
Sidney PonsonSidney Ponson has made an impact on the Twins organization so far. Manager Ron Gardenhire even told the press yesterday that Sidney Ponson is expected to get a rotation spot even though he signed a minor league contract with the Twins. Sidney Ponson came into camp with e few pounds off, and as some reporters noted in the best shape in a couple of years. Sidney Ponson stated that this off season he stayed away from his biggest problem, Aruba. What he meant is that in Aruba he knows many people and the lifestyle he lives by in Aruba is not the best for a Major League pitcher trying to revive his career. He told the press that this winter he spend most of his time in Florida, working out and got engaged to his girlfriend and is expected to marry in November.
Sidney Ponson is all smiles and manager Gardenhire states that Ponson is doing the right things. We from Aruba-Zone.com want to wish Sidney Ponson success in this new challenge and that hopefully he does win the rotation spot he wants. 


Sidney Ponson was recently signed by the Texas Rangers Baseball
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3284921 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3284921)
Rangers give Ponson shot to crack rotation

#19 Sidney Ponson
Proper Name: Sidney Alton Ponson
Born: November 2, 1976
Noord, Aruba
Height: 6-1
Weight: 258 lbs.
Age: 31
Pronounced: pon-SONE Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Pos: SP
Experience: 10 years
College: Maria College (Aruba) 

Ailing pitcher Sidney Ponson sent to Texas Rangers minor league camp
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AviKA92ytOEUzaOT45GYV16FCLcF?slug=ap-rangers-ponson&prov=ap&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AviKA92ytOEUzaOT45GYV16FCLcF?slug=ap-rangers-ponson&prov=ap&type=lgns)



Clips about court case in Aruba:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm)

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005
By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
"The judge gave a type of cooperation very different from other cases, and for this we are grateful," Ponson's attorney, Chris Lejuez, said outside the courtroom.
Ponson did not make any comments to the media and his agent Barry Paver said the pitcher would return to Florida for spring training. Wit also ordered Ponson to make a considerable donation to a charitable organization in Aruba.
The man Ponson is accused of assaulting, a local judge, declined to comment.
Ponson allegedly punched the judge at a beach in Boca Catalina after several people confronted the pitcher, accusing him of harassing them with his personal watercraft and operating it recklessly.
The judge had minor injuries, authorities said. Ponson left the scene but police later detained him Dec. 25.
Ponson went 11-15 with a 5.30 ERA in 33 starts last season. He has played with the Orioles except for a brief stint with the San Francisco Giants in 2003. He became a free agent after that season and signed a $22.5 million, three-year contract with Baltimore.
Ponson has a 69-80 career record in seven seasons with a 4.67 ERA and 802 strikeouts in 210 games and 1,313 innings pitched.

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/bal/y2005/m03/d07/c959494.jsp (http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/bal/y2005/m03/d07/c959494.jsp)
Visa issue sidelines Ponson
03/07/2005 5:57 PM ET
By Gary Washburn / MLB.com
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- Orioles right-hander Sidney Ponson was scratched from his scheduled Spring Training start on Monday against the Marlins, and club officials are unsure when he's going to pitch in a Major League game again because of visa issues stemming from his court case last week in Aruba.
Ponson, who pitched in a simulated game instead, was given until May 10 to reach an out-of-court settlement with the victim of a Dec. 25 melee on an Aruban beach. Ponson apparently hit a judge during a confrontation and he received a suspended sentence on March 3 in Aruba.
He was ordered to settle with the victim, make a substantial contribution to an Aruban charity and perform community service.
Since the charges are not settled, Ponson was told by his agent, Barry Praver, on Sunday night that he would be unable to pitch in any game that charged admission because he would be generating money, and Ponson has yet to obtain his work visa.
After settling the case, Ponson will need to apply for a P-1 visa through the Immigration and Naturalization Service to pitch this season.

"I found out last night," Ponson said. "My [agent] called me and told me that it's best for me right now not to [pitch]. I respect that. I don't want to jeopardize my visa either. I can wait. I put myself in the situation, so I now have to deal with it. Hopefully we can get this squared away very soon."
Ponson can pitch in simulated or minor league games. According to Praver, Chris Lejuez, Ponson's Aruban lawyer, is currently working on a settlement, and Praver said he is optimistic it can be reached soon.
"Chris is working on it right now," Praver said. "Basically, we didn't think it was appropriate for Sidney to request a work visa given his recent circumstances. We are just trying to clear everything up."
Praver said he called club officials Sunday night to inform them of the possibility Ponson would violate his temporary visitor's visa by pitching. That visa allows him to conduct business or vacation in the United States, but he cannot work.
Orioles executive vice president of baseball operations Jim Beattie called the Commissioner's Office. Major League Baseball officials then contacted INS, who then told the Orioles that Ponson was not allowed to pitch.
"Because of the way this has gone with Sidney, until there is a formal dismissal of the charges and all the conditions of what happened in Aruba are met, he can't pitch in games where admission is charged," Beattie said. "Once those three conditions are met and the judge dismisses the charges, then he can go and get his work papers and then he can pitch and continue on."
Ponson, 28, spent 11 days in an Aruban jail after he was arrested the night of the incident. He was confronted at a beach in Boca Catalina by fellow beachgoers who accused him of riding his watercraft recklessly. He apparently punched a local judge in the fracas, and he spent time in jail because Aruba does not have a bail system.
After being released on Jan. 6, he returned to the United States until his March 3 court date. He shook hands with the victim, who told him he only wanted money for his medical expenses.
Orioles infielder Enrique Wilson is also in the United States on a visitor's visa, but since he is trying to make the club -- i.e. apply for a job -- he is able to compete in games.
"It could be done tomorrow or it could be done a week or two weeks from now," Ponson said.
This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=1331 (http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=1331)
Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody
By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05
The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday .
Attorney Chris Lejuez acknowledged Ponson's part in the fight, but declined an opportunity to proclaim his client's innocence of the charges of assault and fighting in a public place.
"If you are in a fight, it is very hard to be innocent," Lejuez said. "The only way to be innocent in a fight is to avoid it."
Ponson, 28, spent a fifth night in jail last night at a police station in the town of San Nicholas, and could remain there through the weekend as the public prosecutor finishes investigating Saturday's altercation. Ponson remains in police custody because Aruba's legal system has no bail option.
Although it remains unclear when Ponson will be released -- he could be transferred to a prison early next week if the prosecutor finds there is cause to keep him detained, and a judge agrees -- Lejuez said he believes Ponson will be available for spring training on time in mid-February.
"I'm very confident he will be able to get back in time for his preparations for spring training," Lejuez said. Asked about the possibility of prison time, he said, "I'm hopeful we don't get to that point."
The Orioles have remained mostly silent on Ponson's case, and majority owner Peter Angelos said yesterday that he will withhold judgment until all the facts are out.
"I would be the last person to prejudge him," said Angelos. "There was an allegation made, but it isn't fair to just automatically assume he was in the wrong. [Someone else] could have been the aggressor."
According to police reports, Ponson was confronted on the beach Saturday by a group of people who asserted he had harassed them by recklessly operating his personal watercraft. In the ensuing altercation, Ponson allegedly struck a man in the face, then fled the scene. The alleged victim, who turned out to be a local judge named W. Noordhuizen, was hospitalized, and Ponson was later taken into police custody.
Messages left at Noordhuizen's office were not returned yesterday, and a receptionist said he was on vacation.
Lejuez acknowledged alcohol was involved in the altercation, adding, "It was Christmas Day. People were drinking and having a good time. So people were under the influence of alcohol, but not only Sidney."
According to Mary Ann Croes, a spokesperson in the public prosecutor's office, "multiple" people were injured in the fight and three were detained. However, she declined to name the other people who were detained and would not divulge the condition of those injured.
Lejuez said that four people were treated for injuries. "Mostly bruises, some swelling, a black eye," he said.
According to Lejuez, the incident began when Ponson, who was riding his Jet Ski in the waters off Boca Catalina, was beckoned to the beach by a group of two or three people.
"The people on the beach apparently told him, 'Come here,' " Lejuez said. "They invited him to discuss the matter. So he went to the beach to discuss the matter. He did not go to the beach to fight. But once he was on the beach, the fight started. . . . One of them tried to hit him, and that's when the fight started."
Once the fight began, two people described by Lejuez as friends of Ponson's came to his defense. Lejuez said he has seen their statements to police, and they are "very similar" to Ponson's statement.
According to Croes, three outcomes could result from the prosecutor's investigation: If there is not enough evidence of his guilt, Ponson could be set free. If there is evidence of guilt, he can be released while he awaits a trial. Or a judge could fine him and/or sentence him to community service.
Ponson is a highly prominent figure in his home country, holding the distinction of being one of only three Arubans to play in the major leagues, and he was decorated as a Knight in the Order of the Dutch Royal House in 2003. However, Croes said Ponson's celebrity status will not affect his legal status.
"We treat every case equally," Croes said. "If the person involved is popular or not, it is not important to us. We do what we always do, which is to investigate fully all the facts of the case and decide how to proceed."



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 26, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
Thanks Caps. I was just asking what some others were thinking...you didn't know I read minds?  LOL

Regdan Enoz.....tell me about this guy.  What would his connections to Paulus be?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 26, 2008, 07:24:16 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Guidosfather.jpg)
Thanks vms!  Confirms my doubt about the article I posted; somehow I couldn't picture this Guido studying dentistry in Cuba.
 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 07:32:27 PM
Thanks Caps. I was just asking what some others were thinking...you didn't know I read minds?  LOL

Regdan Enoz.....tell me about this guy.  What would his connections to Paulus be?  TIA



daer esrever ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 07:33:36 PM
Brought this over from NCD thread
posted by ******* who was wondering who this guy was. Guy was at Jorans house after his gettin out of KIA party

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2lc2o1w.jpg)

I added the insert of "curley" in the GVC photos
Anyone else think he looks like the curley guy in the GVC pics?

Yes, the photo on my left appears to be curley.  The one on my right who is standing next to some fat old man's leg with a towel on, or some type robe looks familar, but right now cannot place him.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 07:35:01 PM
Brought this over from NCD thread
posted by ******* who was wondering who this guy was. Guy was at Jorans house after his gettin out of KIA party

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2lc2o1w.jpg)

I added the insert of "curley" in the GVC photos
Anyone else think he looks like the curley guy in the GVC pics?

Yes, the photo on my left appears to be curley.  The one on my right who is standing next to some fat old man's leg with a towel on, or some type robe looks familar, but right now cannot place him.   Jackb

Wasn't Curley in a picture with GCV?   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 07:40:27 PM
Brought this over from NCD thread
posted by ******* who was wondering who this guy was. Guy was at Jorans house after his gettin out of KIA party

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2lc2o1w.jpg)

I added the insert of "curley" in the GVC photos
Anyone else think he looks like the curley guy in the GVC pics?

Yes, the photo on my left appears to be curley.  The one on my right who is standing next to some fat old man's leg with a towel on, or some type robe looks familar, but right now cannot place him.   Jackb

Wasn't Curley in a picture with GCV?   jackb


Yep they were posted some pages back in the old thread


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 07:41:18 PM
Maybe the J GVC link cant be sure though


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 26, 2008, 07:46:13 PM
Jack look here

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg367139#msg367139


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 26, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
A few pics here too: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3640


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 26, 2008, 10:04:03 PM
Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html


Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 

A.        Aruban authorities

 

 

-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice

-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice

-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police

-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner

-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector

-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau

-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)

-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))

-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer

-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)

-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist

-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General

-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)

-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

 

 

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest

 

-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer

-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer

-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

These are the offices or enties that DirtyHands has his hands in

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
DirtyHand can bring down all houses
DirtyHand is the key
His reach is long (see how many department he controlsHe walks in all circles (see many department he can walk in)
consort to all, except for the gods
He knows the sacrifice is not responsible


Frans DueteKom is the DirtyHand

Now we can translete Shango with the keys of Simian.

Had meeting ...., freddy info will be here soon.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 26, 2008, 10:11:40 PM

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 10:46:54 PM
I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.





Quote
Post by KarmaRoundUp
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:13 AM 
I got this from the great link that TexasMom posted.I didn't know Guido was Booshi Wever's son.....shoot,it copied over in Dutch

 Son minister gets fined for threat

ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen. He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.


Er speelt al geruime tijd een conflict tussen aanhangers van OLA, waaronder de nummer twee op de lijst Danny van der Linde, en de familie Wever. There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever. Dit werd deels met ingezonden brieven in de ochtendkranten uitgevochten. This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out. Van der Linde en anderen deden vrijdag aangifte wegens bedreiging tegen de zoon van minister Wever. Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever. De jongeman werd daarop aangehouden door de politie en verhoord, maar kon even daarna weer gaan. The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.


Toen er zaterdag weer sprake zou zijn van bedreiging is Wever junior opgepakt en vastgehouden. When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained. Gisterochtend werd hij na het betalen van de boete op vrije voeten gesteld. Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet. Volgens zijn advocaat Anthony Carlo wilde de jongeman liever niet bakkeleien over de inhoud van het conflict. According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict. “Hij moet hier op Aruba een aantal dingen regelen voordat hij binnenkort weer teruggaat naar Cuba waar hij tandheelkunde studeert.” "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

Volgens de ministerszoon zou er niet echt sprake zijn van bedreiging: “Ik denk dat het Openbaar Ministerie duidelijk wil maken dat het hard zal optreden tegen bedreiging in politieke campagnes. According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns. Had ditzelfde feit in een andere context plaatsgevonden, dan was het waarschijnlijk lichter bestraft.” Overigens heeft minister Wever aangifte gedaan tegen Van der Linde, wegens het doen van valse aangifte. Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration. (Amigoe) (Amigoe)
 

Here's an article that was recently posted, but I've also heard or read that there are two Guido Wever's so I'm not sure.


Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA [Robert WEVER]; Aruban Liberal Organization

OK, here we go again:  Joran said to Patrick that "Daury" was l/2 Aruban and half something else didn't he?  So, maybe this Guido dude knows Smyth and this thing gets fixed up really good with PVs, JVS, Smyth , Cromvroits, Gottenbos, 2K parent(s), Steve Croes, Ben Vocking  and for the love of Pete, half the people on the island, it seems.  WHY?  So many of their kids are involved.  The kids know a lot on the elders, too.  My, what a bunch of skank dudes.        Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 10:58:36 PM
Jack look here

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg367139#msg367139

Thank you dudes and dudettes.   J/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 11:23:30 PM
Remeber Simian :

3 car are involved.

I believe that Duedekom (CAR-3) came to give the Kalpoes instruction, around the pool

Kalpoe's went home (CAR-1) but the father was not there.
Deudekom in (CAR-3) drive Joran to the pond to Drop the body, (Car -3 Leaves) leaving Joran at foot. Deudekom call Paules to come pick his son up.
Joran Run to Mc Donalds from pond and
so the father in (CAR-2) had to pickup Joran at 4:00 at Mcdonalds

That seems like an awful lot of payback for a prosecutor to do for that rotten kind and Pvs.  Why would he do that aside from the Matthew thing?  He is the one who seems to hold the power instead of Palus.  Unless he was atttending a party where PVS and Joran provided outside entertainment.  Maybe I am just thick-headed.  J/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 11:41:37 PM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Something about a purse????  ::MonkeyConfused::

Means money he is or to be paid or wanting to be paid.  Purse (not the carrying kind, lol)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 26, 2008, 11:44:23 PM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Something about a purse????  ::MonkeyConfused::

Means money he is or to be paid or wanting to be paid.  Purse (not the carrying kind, lol)


Wonder what kind of name that is?  Sounds rather real Tiano to me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 12:21:14 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Something about a purse????  ::MonkeyConfused::

Means money he is or to be paid or wanting to be paid.  Purse (not the carrying kind, lol)


Wonder what kind of name that is?  Sounds rather real Tiano to me.

Make that Taino? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 01:13:56 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Something about a purse????  ::MonkeyConfused::

Means money he is or to be paid or wanting to be paid.  Purse (not the carrying kind, lol)


Wonder what kind of name that is?  Sounds rather real Tiano to me.

Also there is a Martin van Deutekom, a jazz musician in the NL, bet they are kin.  That bunch is queen close, somehow.    j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:31:06 AM
I am hoping this person is Dirty Hand...but skeptics will question how public prosecutor came from Babalu's interpretation that Shango agreed to as being the Chief of Polis.  Need more info and more proof to make this assumption...have to connect him to Paulus and show why he can break the alibi and who's alibi he's breaking.  Also, Shango says Dirty Hand was discovered...when did this happen?  Just thinking out loud about how this will be viewed by others....I want to know more.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 27, 2008, 03:22:27 AM
I am hoping this person is Dirty Hand...but skeptics will question how public prosecutor came from Babalu's interpretation that Shango agreed to as being the Chief of Polis.  Need more info and more proof to make this assumption...have to connect him to Paulus and show why he can break the alibi and who's alibi he's breaking.  Also, Shango says Dirty Hand was discovered...when did this happen?  Just thinking out loud about how this will be viewed by others....I want to know more.

Remeber Babalu was clue less who this man was. I do know who he was because my research in the motive.

The Motive to force the USA to comply with ICC that this Dutch group where trying to setup but got nowhere with the USA counter part. Go the their site and read about it. Look in the ICC section. very interesting reading.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/themes,international-legal-order/international-criminal-court/index.html

I am convinced the he is the DirtyHand that was ruling in hinding. the Natalee case forced him to come out and so he was discovert. but his plans where already in motion.

Remeber if you look at the list, he was not even mention.. most people do not know who he is until when someone tried to do something that will hurt the government.

Natalee did not wnat to hurt the Aruba Government, and if Joran is a scapegoat for someone else at work with some crazy deed to prove or set a stage for a conforntation in the ICC court. The USA is not part of this court but the EU would like to have only one supremecourt. and those that control it are those that work in th human rights issue.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:00:58 AM
Posted this yesterday in the NAH thread...Was the band that the video was posted of a while ago Entwine or Intwine?...There were some Shango overtures in it!  TIA

Chapter 5...page 7

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0



- Elaine he met during a concert of Intwine, he was on a boat on a catamaran during the show that was done on the water by the band. He noticed her during the show and he went over to her and they saw the rest of the show together. Freddy had taken a fancy to some other girl and had started talking to that girl. Elaine and Joran hit it off and went out for dinner and a movie. They went steady for a while.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:08:56 AM
JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

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From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

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I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:15:10 AM
Bleachedblack posted this a while ago in the NAH thread. Thanks BB.  This was posted by our friend Charles Croes back in March 2005. I was looking for it when Caps was posting about the Ritz and just now found it!

« Reply #180 on: January 26, 2008, 05:26:59 PM » 

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Interesting post , nothing more nothing less.........

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charlescroes
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 05:10 PM
Just another Marriott money grab , hopfully it will take another 2 or 3 years or LONGER there is not a need for any more hotels, as it is now there are enough.

Just what Aruba needs is a Ritz hotel..


YOu have absolutely NAILED IT!! And the size of your hammer is substantial.

There are several consequenses to consider.

Hotel rooms need to be directly tied to air carrying capacity. If there aren't enough airline companies willing to committ to full year service, then you have a serious problem.
The Tax issue was a Tax Holiday. These are well and good when they start but can be a problem when they end. There is a track record of bad experience in this.
Last but (in my opinion) not least important, the amount of rooms that are currently owned by the Marriott out weigh the norm for an island this small. If for some unheard of and crazy reason, that company decided to pull stakes or make severe policy changes, an exceedingly high percentage of hotel employees are involved. Families and their car and home loans and so forth all will come into play. I recall a good saying about eggs and baskets. This kind of a situation could even give the hotel company (supposed to be in the lodging business) political power.
Put the RITZ Carlton in Tahiti and let's call it even.

These are just my opinions.
charles
arubafastphones.com

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1809.html
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:36:44 AM
So who is David?

If it isn't Freddy Zedan Abrambatizs then why was Anita so concerned about his PV?

If Paulus is the 5th person, does that mean the news media was counting the SG as 1 and 2?

Would Simian count them as 1 and 2 or would he disregard them, since he knew they were innocent?

Lala's...I am not sure if David is a David or if it just a name for some-one else, ie Joran. What makes it more confusing is that we do actually have a David Wever and the one from the book translation. Maybe the one from the book should be taken with Oldfart's big bag of salt, as it is most likely not his real name!

I am considering the possibility that Simian was counting the Security Guards. They were released when Simian posted, but not released as suspects.(As far as we know)

For the 5th. then we would need to have some-one detained after Joran and Satish and before Deepak, which wasn't until 3.30 on 6/8/2005. IIRC, only Deepak's log item said 'first statement as a witness' on 6/9. Hmmmm!

But if Simian knew the SCs were being framed, would he include them in his 5 suspects?

Did you mispell Freddy's last name? I only ask as I have seen it spelt elsewhere by another SM poster the same way? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:42:30 AM
Now here is a tibit,

When the government Lawyer, Hendrick Croes was in trouble, Hans Mos was there to over see the document, but on the tape you can see DirtyHand, He walk in all houses and consort with the ELDER which is the prime Minister.
see him on the video news clip, there you can see the public prosecuter Duetekom standing in the back.

Hendirick Croes walk free but the order for freedom must come from the Judge Commissares and not from the Chief prosecuter. or Public Prosecuter which is Duetekom.

If order is given to arrest, you have 24 hrs to bring the perp to the Judge  Commissares. He is the one that can release a peron if he see that there are no offense comitted. In the case of the cop being hit by the Lawyer, they themself commited a big error. We will see how this will play out.



 

You are confusing me now...please go back to your latest revelation about the Duetekom guy.  Why has his name never come up before now?  How does Mos figure here if he wasn't involved until later? 

Mos is the Chief Prosecuter and Duetekom is the Public prosecuter. before mos was Karen Jansen.

The Public Prosecuter is alway's hidden, How do I know this, The Aircondition man Knows.
Now this public prosecuter handle all cases related to the Government. He has the power of the LAW.
He is the one that will prepare a case that involes the a government official.

Karen Jansen Was replace by MOS. But Duetekom is the power.

another note: we are getting in to deep now...REGDAN ENOZ     ...He is the DH in the Natalee Case.



REGDAN ENOZ...I have googled this everyway I can and only thing I come up with is some nasty sites, in some language with signs - didn't investigate further - for ENOZ!!!

Caps=HELP!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:46:09 AM
I have them...maybe they need to be in our ICD section...I will ask Klaas...in the meantime I will see if I can find the one you are talking about.


Something about a purse????  ::MonkeyConfused::

Means money he is or to be paid or wanting to be paid.  Purse (not the carrying kind, lol)



Jackb...Thanks...I knew this, but somehow it didn't cross my mind....LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:50:22 AM
Thanks Caps. I was just asking what some others were thinking...you didn't know I read minds?  LOL

Regdan Enoz.....tell me about this guy.  What would his connections to Paulus be?  TIA



daer esrever ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 05:54:51 AM
I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.





Quote
Post by KarmaRoundUp
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:13 AM 
I got this from the great link that TexasMom posted.I didn't know Guido was Booshi Wever's son.....shoot,it copied over in Dutch

 Son minister gets fined for threat

ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen. He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.


Er speelt al geruime tijd een conflict tussen aanhangers van OLA, waaronder de nummer twee op de lijst Danny van der Linde, en de familie Wever. There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever. Dit werd deels met ingezonden brieven in de ochtendkranten uitgevochten. This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out. Van der Linde en anderen deden vrijdag aangifte wegens bedreiging tegen de zoon van minister Wever. Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever. De jongeman werd daarop aangehouden door de politie en verhoord, maar kon even daarna weer gaan. The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.


Toen er zaterdag weer sprake zou zijn van bedreiging is Wever junior opgepakt en vastgehouden. When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained. Gisterochtend werd hij na het betalen van de boete op vrije voeten gesteld. Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet. Volgens zijn advocaat Anthony Carlo wilde de jongeman liever niet bakkeleien over de inhoud van het conflict. According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict. “Hij moet hier op Aruba een aantal dingen regelen voordat hij binnenkort weer teruggaat naar Cuba waar hij tandheelkunde studeert.” "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

Volgens de ministerszoon zou er niet echt sprake zijn van bedreiging: “Ik denk dat het Openbaar Ministerie duidelijk wil maken dat het hard zal optreden tegen bedreiging in politieke campagnes. According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns. Had ditzelfde feit in een andere context plaatsgevonden, dan was het waarschijnlijk lichter bestraft.” Overigens heeft minister Wever aangifte gedaan tegen Van der Linde, wegens het doen van valse aangifte. Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration. (Amigoe) (Amigoe)
 

Here's an article that was recently posted, but I've also heard or read that there are two Guido Wever's so I'm not sure.


Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA [Robert WEVER]; Aruban Liberal Organization

OK, here we go again:  Joran said to Patrick that "Daury" was l/2 Aruban and half something else didn't he?  So, maybe this Guido dude knows Smyth and this thing gets fixed up really good with PVs, JVS, Smyth , Cromvroits, Gottenbos, 2K parent(s), Steve Croes, Ben Vocking  and for the love of Pete, half the people on the island, it seems.  WHY?  So many of their kids are involved.  The kids know a lot on the elders, too.  My, what a bunch of skank dudes.        Jackb


Something about small houses with the children of the elders! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 06:01:11 AM
Caps...Looks like some sort of meeting on Human rights...is this him?

Joan Theodora-Brewster, head of the Prevention, Juvenile Protection and Judicial Facilities Section, and Deputy Director of the Justice Directorate, Netherlands Antilles
Gilbert Benita, Assistant Director of Housing at Curaçao Prison in the Netherlands Antilles
Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba
Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba.

http://www.minbuza.nl/en/news/speeches_and_articles,2007/05/Introductory-Statement.html


Report to the authorities of the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the visits carried out to the Kingdom in Europe, Aruba, and the Netherlands Antilles by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) in June 2007

This report was made public by the Netherlands Government on 30 January 2008.
Strasbourg, 5 February 2008

<snipped>

LIST OF THE AUTHORITIES AND OTHER PERSONS
WITH WHOM THE CPT’S DELEGATION HELD CONSULTATIONS
 

A.        Aruban authorities

 

 

-           Mr H.R. (Rudy) CROES     Minister of Justice

-           Mr Rolando BERNADINA     Adviser, Minister of Justice

-           Mr Peter de WITTE     Chief of Police

-           Mr Lambertus KROZENDIJK     Police Commissioner

-           Ms Jeannette RICHARDSON-BAARS     Police Inspector

-           Ms Golda CANDELARIA     Police Inspector, Head of the Internal Investigation Bureau

-           Mr Emilio GEERMAN     Interim Director, Aruba Correctional Institute

-           Mr Laurence PASKEL     Director of Government Security (Cuerpo Especial Arubano)

-           Mr Roy LACLÉ     Acting Head of Section, Border Guard Authority (Warda Nos Costa (IASA))

-           Ms Angélique PETERSON     Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs, CPT liaison officer

-           Mr Ezzard CILIÉ     Head of the PAAZ (Psychiatric ward of the General Hospital)

-           Mr Hendrikus van GALEN     Psychiatrist

-           Mr Nico JÖRG     Solicitor General

-           Mr Hans MOS     Chief Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Frans van DEUTEKOM     Public Prosecutor

-           Mr Marcel MADURO     Director of the Public Service Investigation Agency (Landsrecherche)

-           Mr Ferdinand GERARD    Judge, Chairman of the Prison Supervisory Board

 

 

B.        Persons active in the CPT’s fields of interest

 

-           Mr Chris LEJUEZ     Lawyer

-           Ms Eline LOTTER-HOMAN     Lawyer

-           Mr Rudi OOMEN     Lawyer

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/2008-02-inf-eng.htm

These are the offices or enties that DirtyHands has his hands in

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:59 pm
DirtyHand can bring down all houses
DirtyHand is the key
His reach is long (see how many department he controlsHe walks in all circles (see many department he can walk in)
consort to all, except for the gods
He knows the sacrifice is not responsible


Frans DueteKom is the DirtyHand

Now we can translete Shango with the keys of Simian.

Had meeting ...., freddy info will be here soon.
CAPSLOCKWIZARD



Waiting....patiently!

Thanks Caps!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 06:11:48 AM
Found this yesterday, buried in the forum. This is where the US Embassy agent Smitt came from. No mention here of Williams at all. Only mention of FBI is what appears to Jody Bearman. Interesting as he was mentioned in the PVs and turns up in the book. And so was the FBI.

Any ideas on this?

By the way, it is either his Diary or book notes as it is almost word for word for what we have in the two book translation threads!...except for the omitting of Williams and inclusion of Smitt!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 07:21:12 AM
Just came back and saw this...maybe the thread has the hiccups!!!

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 27, 2008, 07:50:00 AM
So who is David?

If it isn't Freddy Zedan Abrambatizs then why was Anita so concerned about his PV?

If Paulus is the 5th person, does that mean the news media was counting the SG as 1 and 2?

Would Simian count them as 1 and 2 or would he disregard them, since he knew they were innocent?

Lala's...I am not sure if David is a David or if it just a name for some-one else, ie Joran. What makes it more confusing is that we do actually have a David Wever and the one from the book translation. Maybe the one from the book should be taken with Oldfart's big bag of salt, as it is most likely not his real name!

I am considering the possibility that Simian was counting the Security Guards. They were released when Simian posted, but not released as suspects.(As far as we know)

For the 5th. then we would need to have some-one detained after Joran and Satish and before Deepak, which wasn't until 3.30 on 6/8/2005. IIRC, only Deepak's log item said 'first statement as a witness' on 6/9. Hmmmm!

But if Simian knew the SCs were being framed, would he include them in his 5 suspects?

Did you mispell Freddy's last name? I only ask as I have seen it spelt elsewhere by another SM poster the same way? TIA

Good Morning Mum,

There is a David on myspace with the exact same spelling (as the book translation) but his location is listed as Terre Haute and his age is listed as 26 so I dunno...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 08:19:27 AM
So who is David?

If it isn't Freddy Zedan Abrambatizs then why was Anita so concerned about his PV?

If Paulus is the 5th person, does that mean the news media was counting the SG as 1 and 2?

Would Simian count them as 1 and 2 or would he disregard them, since he knew they were innocent?

Lala's...I am not sure if David is a David or if it just a name for some-one else, ie Joran. What makes it more confusing is that we do actually have a David Wever and the one from the book translation. Maybe the one from the book should be taken with Oldfart's big bag of salt, as it is most likely not his real name!

I am considering the possibility that Simian was counting the Security Guards. They were released when Simian posted, but not released as suspects.(As far as we know)

For the 5th. then we would need to have some-one detained after Joran and Satish and before Deepak, which wasn't until 3.30 on 6/9/2005. IIRC, only Deepak's log item said 'first statement as a witness' on 6/9. Hmmmm!

But if Simian knew the SCs were being framed, would he include them in his 5 suspects?

Did you mispell Freddy's last name? I only ask as I have seen it spelt elsewhere by another SM poster the same way? TIA

Good Morning Mum,

There is a David on myspace with the exact same spelling (as the book translation) but his location is listed as Terre Haute and his age is listed as 26 so I dunno...


Hi vms...I was off youtubing...I did find a couple on a google search, but not David! Interesting...Thanks!...Will check it out...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 27, 2008, 08:30:17 AM


Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Introductory statement

Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba

http://tinyurl.com/236d25







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 08:38:46 AM
So who is David?

If it isn't Freddy Zedan Abrambatizs then why was Anita so concerned about his PV?

If Paulus is the 5th person, does that mean the news media was counting the SG as 1 and 2?

Would Simian count them as 1 and 2 or would he disregard them, since he knew they were innocent?

Lala's...I am not sure if David is a David or if it just a name for some-one else, ie Joran. What makes it more confusing is that we do actually have a David Wever and the one from the book translation. Maybe the one from the book should be taken with Oldfart's big bag of salt, as it is most likely not his real name!

I am considering the possibility that Simian was counting the Security Guards. They were released when Simian posted, but not released as suspects.(As far as we know)

For the 5th. then we would need to have some-one detained after Joran and Satish and before Deepak, which wasn't until 3.30 on 6/9/2005. IIRC, only Deepak's log item said 'first statement as a witness' on 6/9. Hmmmm!

But if Simian knew the SCs were being framed, would he include them in his 5 suspects?

Did you mispell Freddy's last name? I only ask as I have seen it spelt elsewhere by another SM poster the same way? TIA

Edited date to 6/9/2005...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 09:04:46 AM
Alcazar's Revenge

Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Tight lipped
________________________________________
Why would anybody come out? Get your face plastered over the Internet with accusations of cover-up and drugs and what not. Especially if your innocent.

It has been all over local media with the statements of the Casino employees. You are being cheated by the tabloid news of CNN and Fox.

By the way, the apparently the mobile phone grids do not place any of the trio near Savaneta. Savaneta is where Van Rijn's house is.

Jan van der Straaten left because his time was up. He should have retired long ago. He has been with the Dutch and Aruban police a combined 30 years. His retirement was very much publicized in the press and overwhelmingly the community regrets that he had to retire. It has nothing to do with the case. Since early this year it was announced.


The gamblers??


I thought a 6 AM call was attributed to this area...hmmm I must be mistaken.

Not sure on this...memory fading...was this a 6AM phone call to Steve Croes? And if so, what is with the mobile phone grids in the above post?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on March 27, 2008, 10:19:27 AM
From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles.  ::MonkeyConfused::




what were they holding? 

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

OK...following this train of thought...the *key* could be a mouse used to open windows on a computer to view the true nature of babylon....it might be that someone posted photos/vids...that were to be private only...and someone else saw them...Yliana and Subdude...

BTW...I saw the name Subdude, on a link I was surfing through that had a lot of PIMPS, parties and sex vids...the link was from Aruba...darn...I'll see if I bookmarked it...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 10:26:14 AM
Since Blonde was had questions about Guido yesterday, I'll post this from the book notes/diary of Joran. Notice the way Wever is written. He did the same thing for 'David' in the book translation. It's a shame JE can't find a copy of that darn book for a dime at a yard sale and give us 'true' thoughts.

Still have a lot of questions on Guido/David/Lorenzo whatever!

vms...empty on the myspace...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0

I then went to the gym for a while were I saw Koen one of my best friends. I talked to him a while and then called Andre and Guido *Wever?* to ask them if they were going to play the poker tournament at the Whyndham, Guido told me he had to work at the Excelsior Casino till 10:00 pm but that when he finished he would come by and see how I was doing. Andre said he and his dad would be there. I called my dad and asked him if it would be okay to go play the tournament at the Whyndham and that Guido would bring me home, he said it was okay.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 10:33:47 AM
From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles.  ::MonkeyConfused::




what were they holding? 

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

OK...following this train of thought...the *key* could be a mouse used to open windows on a computer to view the true nature of babylon....it might be that someone posted photos/vids...that were to be private only...and someone else saw them...Yliana and Subdude...

BTW...I saw the name Subdude, on a link I was surfing through that had a lot of PIMPS, parties and sex vids...the link was from Aruba...darn...I'll see if I bookmarked it...


Interesting thoughts...Destiny!

I am always running into 'nasty' sites when I google peeps in Aruba. The one yesterday on ENOZ, and came up with a heap a few weeks back when I looked up Andre Meneses again. When I went to the links he wasn't mentioned, but the google search led me there with his name??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 27, 2008, 10:46:33 AM
Since Blonde was had questions about Guido yesterday, I'll post this from the book notes/diary of Joran. Notice the way Wever is written. He did the same thing for 'David' in the book translation. It's a shame JE can't find a copy of that darn book for a dime at a yard sale and give us 'true' thoughts.

Still have a lot of questions on Guido/David/Lorenzo whatever!

vms...empty on the myspace...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0

I then went to the gym for a while were I saw Koen one of my best friends. I talked to him a while and then called Andre and Guido *Wever?* to ask them if they were going to play the poker tournament at the Whyndham, Guido told me he had to work at the Excelsior Casino till 10:00 pm but that when he finished he would come by and see how I was doing. Andre said he and his dad would be there. I called my dad and asked him if it would be okay to go play the tournament at the Whyndham and that Guido would bring me home, he said it was okay.

Mum,
This is the link:
http://www.myspace.com/makinthapaper



FWIW, subdude posted with us on the original codetalker's thread. I know someone who communicated with him. I do not think he was a pimp nor from Aruba. I'm fairly certain I remember what his profession was and where he was from. Maybe MsVada or finngirl could weigh in on this one...
JMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 10:47:57 AM
Just playing devil's advocate here...if new info is offered it must be substantiated in some way so as to make it valid.  Sorry, that everyone thinks I am trying to pour cold water on Caps thoughts...I am not. I simply want to see the proof.  I know what others will ask that have their own agendas set in stone and sometimes I want to be ahead of the game. There is always a method to my madness even if it seems I am totally confused in such matters.


Yes, Mum, I misspelled Freddy's name...sorry. Fingers flying too fast this morning.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 27, 2008, 10:48:21 AM
Thanks Caps. I was just asking what some others were thinking...you didn't know I read minds?  LOL

Regdan Enoz.....tell me about this guy.  What would his connections to Paulus be?  TIA



daer esrever ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



oihonimuM: right to left

About the parties VMS mentioned. Nothing i know of. Certainly not common knowledge. It could be true but it seems far fetched to me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 10:58:30 AM
Just playing devil's advocate here...if new info is offered it must be substantiated in some way so as to make it valid.  Sorry, that everyone thinks I am trying to pour cold water on Caps thoughts...I am not. I simply want to see the proof.  I know what others will ask that have their own agendas set in stone and sometimes I want to be ahead of the game. There is always a method to my madness even if it seems I am totally confused in such matters.


Yes, Mum, I misspelled Freddy's name...sorry. Fingers flying too fast this morning.


Good Morning...Just that Rob spells it that way on his blog!!!(Thought I had missed something about Freddy)

I think I confused Caps with the Judges list!

vms...Thanks...going!

JE...LOL...sometimes I have a hard time reading forward!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on March 27, 2008, 11:04:39 AM
From Colombo's post above:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand


I have read this stuff so many times, but at this moment cannot recall, nor have the patience to go search for Yliana & Subdude's posts....Mum is right...going around in circles.  ::MonkeyConfused::




what were they holding? 

what windows open that overlook babylon? Microsoft?


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

OK...following this train of thought...the *key* could be a mouse used to open windows on a computer to view the true nature of babylon....it might be that someone posted photos/vids...that were to be private only...and someone else saw them...Yliana and Subdude...

BTW...I saw the name Subdude, on a link I was surfing through that had a lot of PIMPS, parties and sex vids...the link was from Aruba...darn...I'll see if I bookmarked it...


Interesting thoughts...Destiny!

I am always running into 'nasty' sites when I google peeps in Aruba. The one yesterday on ENOZ, and came up with a heap a few weeks back when I looked up Andre Meneses again. When I went to the links he wasn't mentioned, but the google search led me there with his name??

Yep...I know what you mean Mum...some of those links just stink!

Also...keeping in mind my post above...the answer *being in plain sight*...duh...my *computer screen*...LOL...head spinning...green stuff flying....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 11:09:03 AM
What is Dirty Hand's connection to Paulus? 

Who is the Arawak Dirty Hand?

Have we given up on the 5th suspect? 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 11:13:08 AM
I have had this saved for a long time
Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.
Guido is half Dutch and half Aruban and his Father was/is some politician in Aruba. Whether that is Candalrio "Booshie" Wever or not I don't know.
Anyone know.





Quote
Post by KarmaRoundUp
 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 16, 2008, 07:04:13 AM 
I got this from the great link that TexasMom posted.I didn't know Guido was Booshi Wever's son.....shoot,it copied over in Dutch

 Son minister gets fined for threat

ORANJESTAD — De zoon van minister Candelario ‘Booshi’ Wever (MEP) van Volksgezondheid en Milieu, Guido ‘Inti’, is gisteren na een betaling van een boete van 1750 florin vrijgekomen. ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant. Hij zat sinds zaterdag vast wegens bedreiging van de familie Thijzen. He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.


Er speelt al geruime tijd een conflict tussen aanhangers van OLA, waaronder de nummer twee op de lijst Danny van der Linde, en de familie Wever. There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever. Dit werd deels met ingezonden brieven in de ochtendkranten uitgevochten. This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out. Van der Linde en anderen deden vrijdag aangifte wegens bedreiging tegen de zoon van minister Wever. Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever. De jongeman werd daarop aangehouden door de politie en verhoord, maar kon even daarna weer gaan. The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.


Toen er zaterdag weer sprake zou zijn van bedreiging is Wever junior opgepakt en vastgehouden. When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained. Gisterochtend werd hij na het betalen van de boete op vrije voeten gesteld. Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet. Volgens zijn advocaat Anthony Carlo wilde de jongeman liever niet bakkeleien over de inhoud van het conflict. According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict. “Hij moet hier op Aruba een aantal dingen regelen voordat hij binnenkort weer teruggaat naar Cuba waar hij tandheelkunde studeert.” "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

Volgens de ministerszoon zou er niet echt sprake zijn van bedreiging: “Ik denk dat het Openbaar Ministerie duidelijk wil maken dat het hard zal optreden tegen bedreiging in politieke campagnes. According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns. Had ditzelfde feit in een andere context plaatsgevonden, dan was het waarschijnlijk lichter bestraft.” Overigens heeft minister Wever aangifte gedaan tegen Van der Linde, wegens het doen van valse aangifte. Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration. (Amigoe) (Amigoe)
 

Here's an article that was recently posted, but I've also heard or read that there are two Guido Wever's so I'm not sure.


Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement or MSA [Robert WEVER]; Aruban Liberal Organization

OK, here we go again:  Joran said to Patrick that "Daury" was l/2 Aruban and half something else didn't he?  So, maybe this Guido dude knows Smyth and this thing gets fixed up really good with PVs, JVS, Smyth , Cromvroits, Gottenbos, 2K parent(s), Steve Croes, Ben Vocking  and for the love of Pete, half the people on the island, it seems.  WHY?  So many of their kids are involved.  The kids know a lot on the elders, too.  My, what a bunch of skank dudes.        Jackb


Something about small houses with the children of the elders! ::MonkeyEek::


The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys


Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.  (Arawak)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play (the game) in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the note$ (line of credit?)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 11:17:27 AM
What is Dirty Hand's connection to Paulus?  Still thinking contracts and Paulus old jobs

Who is the Arawak Dirty Hand?  Not sure - Rudy Croes

Have we given up on the 5th suspect?  NEVER!


I even made a post about it this morning...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2008, 11:30:54 AM
JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 

Mum I hope You don't mind Me replying to this post since it was directed to JE but this reminds Me of something I need to mention

Here awhile back Colombo was posting and saying that this missing person was part of the game and that it was an on going thing....connect the dots

 

Colombo said something like if You work at McDonalds and move to another island would You be able to get a job at another McDonald's....

I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/

I believe the post by Aristotle is pretty accurate except that I believe that Joran took Natalee to the party and things were not going right (She was combative) so the Elders made Him take Her Away at which time He called Paulus to pick Him up and that's how Natalee wound up at the Sloots House and something bad happened...JMO...  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
What is Dirty Hand's connection to Paulus? 

Who is the Arawak Dirty Hand?

Have we given up on the 5th suspect? 



could we bump the loesge post?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 11:45:06 AM
Cordes case:  http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/01/18/leta-lynn-cordes-american-tourist-missing-vacationing-on-the-caribbean-island-of-saint-maarten-netherlands-antilles/


Involves Westin

Westin on Aruba was Wyndham

did PVDS try to misdirect search for Joran away from Wyndham? Did Joran "hit the jackpot?"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 11:46:36 AM
Hotping...of course I don't mind...I wasn't sure if JE had seen it in the old thread and came accross it yesterday. I had been meaning to ask and finally saw the post!

All opinions appreciated in here as far as I am concerned...off to find the loesge posts...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 11:57:51 AM
COLUMBO...I will have to find them somewhere else as the one post of Klaas' on page 4 of the old thread I don't know how to copy...be back in a bit!

 

   




   




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
Page 71...posted by Buckeye...

1.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:06 pm
they filmed her de-flowering.
who was the actor?
——————————————-
ODUBER

2.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The video was filmed live and
on location at the neighborhood
Holiday Inn.
““““““““““““““““
no,
it was the Wyndham

3.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:00 am
connect the dots to Bob Smith, manager of the Wyndham who also is head of the “black-clad” visability team. It was those black-clad “guards” who intercepted Natalee from Joran, NOT the two guards who were arrested. Joran delivered Natalee to a “House his father was known to be at”= Casablanca= “white house”.
The visability guards handed her over to Paulus and he, ultimately to Oduber.
The Lions prefer nice accomodations for their deflowerings. Presidential suite, anyone?
It’s an ongoing racket.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 12:04:46 PM
quoting hotping:
"I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case..... "

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game   [this time something bad happened]
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking


the game, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 12:14:41 PM
1.   loesge Says:
April 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 am
Gunslinger Says:
April 21st, 2006 at 7:06 pm
they filmed her de-flowering.
who was the actor?
——————————————-
ODUBER


"All along the gamblers knew who he was"

"The gamblers also took note"

"All the gamblers knew was written down"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 12:15:18 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2008, 12:34:33 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 12:40:32 PM
sounds like there was book being made

curiously NH had become loot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 12:52:21 PM
either that or the poison note$ refer to credit..... JVDS is playing the next night at Wyndham


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 12:55:59 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on March 27, 2008, 01:13:30 PM
quoting hotping:
"I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case..... "

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game   [this time something bad happened]
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking


the game, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”


JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 

Mum I hope You don't mind Me replying to this post since it was directed to JE but this reminds Me of something I need to mention

Here awhile back Colombo was posting and saying that this missing person was part of the game and that it was an on going thing....connect the dots

 

Colombo said something like if You work at McDonalds and move to another island would You be able to get a job at another McDonald's....

I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/

I believe the post by Aristotle is pretty accurate except that I believe that Joran took Natalee to the party and things were not going right (She was combative) so the Elders made Him take Her Away at which time He called Paulus to pick Him up and that's how Natalee wound up at the Sloots House and something bad happened...JMO...  ::MonkeyEek::



There is a discussion at BFN, "Daury" thread ... last few pages that go along with this.  Also, look back 20-30 pages at a post that I made suggesting the habits of the old men being brought to Aruba from their European roots and still being practiced.  I really do think that the casinos/hotels are involved in some way too. Too much activity there by all the players.

CAPS, I would like for you to dissect the the two story lines in Shango and apply the clues from Simian so my mind can wrap around it.  Your answers are sometimes confusing to me ... LOL.

Chata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 01:27:35 PM
I am hoping this person is Dirty Hand...but skeptics will question how public prosecutor came from Babalu's interpretation that Shango agreed to as being the Chief of Polis.  Need more info and more proof to make this assumption...have to connect him to Paulus and show why he can break the alibi and who's alibi he's breaking.  Also, Shango says Dirty Hand was discovered...when did this happen?  Just thinking out loud about how this will be viewed by others....I want to know more.

This is slim, but:  Palus played music and this martin deutekom is a jazz musician.  That name does not seem to really draw a lot of the same last names when I searched.  Maybe Martin and Fran are close kin or linked to Paulus through music some way.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:37:18 PM

COLOMBO
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #846 on: January 17, 2008, 10:34:26 PM »
   
If you work at McDonald's, and then go off to college in another part of the country, could you simply work at another McDonald's near the school?





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.840


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 01:38:28 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers somewhere.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

I believe someone from MB may have been the right girl, if this is the scenario that caused the death of this girl, an, if so, they do need to come forward if they have not already.  Even if they help solve this, it does not mean they have to use their name, or picture.  Just let everyone know so those responsible will have to tell the truth enough to let everyone know where she is and allow justice to prevail.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:44:50 PM
Who attends these high stakes gambling parties?  The type that you pay in human flesh rather than cash?  Hmmmmm.....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on March 27, 2008, 01:48:46 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers  somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:51:21 PM
COLOMBO

   
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1737 on: February 09, 2008, 05:29:13 PM »
   
Quote from: MumInOhio on February 09, 2008, 12:05:08 PM
COLUMBO.....Security guards in black, insurance policy, maybe she drowned, road some of which is not paved, taken to another part of the island, Wyndham/Westin, small island and everyone should know...there's a lot of connections here....it all sounds familiar...so what happened to her...I read Leta was seen in the casino and then that was apparently retracted....not sure which path...


while of gold bricks
the road is not paved

Westin Aruba was Wyndham
"The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys"

DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)

DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid attention from the cowboys and the fort

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1720


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:53:20 PM
MumInOhio


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1740 on: February 09, 2008, 07:26:40 PM »
   
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1740 on: February 09, 2008, 07:26:40 PM »
   
Quote from: Lala'sMom on February 09, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
Mum
Do you remember the conversation about Ruffner Page from the NAH thread a few weeks ago? His daughter is Virginia and there was speculation that she would have been the most likley target if there was a planned kidnapping? Could you use your magical powers and find out about this again for me?  TIA

Lala's...here's the link...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.180


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:54:37 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers  somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata


Maybe those dutch owned apartments?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 01:57:44 PM
Discussion about the Dutch owned apartments link...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1620


CapsLockWizard
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1633 on: February 01, 2008, 10:35:57 PM »
   
Both of the Apartments have been use to do this....

One was for the party and planning the other was for the seeking pleasure of the forbidden fruits
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 01:59:47 PM
quoting hotping:
"I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case..... "

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game   [this time something bad happened]
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
The gods are talking


the game, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”


JE... If you don't mind, I would like your opinion on this post that vms posted by Aristotle from BFN, from the old thread.

Do you know if such a 'tradition' does exist in the Netherlands? Do you think this is feasible? Could this be what Shango was posting about?   TIA

« Reply #1883 on: February 13, 2008, 06:02:04 PM » 

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From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

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I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up? 
 
 

Mum I hope You don't mind Me replying to this post since it was directed to JE but this reminds Me of something I need to mention

Here awhile back Colombo was posting and saying that this missing person was part of the game and that it was an on going thing....connect the dots

 

Colombo said something like if You work at McDonalds and move to another island would You be able to get a job at another McDonald's....

I believe that the post by Aristotle above and what Colombo was trying to say are the same in that....The game is on going and that since Natalee's case is so publicized and all.... that they simply moved the game to St Maarten hence the Leta Cordes Case.....

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/06/kathleen-feeney-american-tourist-missing-in-st-maarten-since-march-1-2007/

I believe the post by Aristotle is pretty accurate except that I believe that Joran took Natalee to the party and things were not going right (She was combative) so the Elders made Him take Her Away at which time He called Paulus to pick Him up and that's how Natalee wound up at the Sloots House and something bad happened...JMO...  ::MonkeyEek::



There is a discussion at BFN, "Daury" thread ... last few pages that go along with this.  Also, look back 20-30 pages at a post that I made suggesting the habits of the old men being brought to Aruba from their European roots and still being practiced.  I really do think that the casinos/hotels are involved in some way too. Too much activity there by all the players.

CAPS, I would like for you to dissect the the two story lines in Shango and apply the clues from Simian so my mind can wrap around it.  Your answers are sometimes confusing to me ... LOL.

Chata

Maybe Mary is the name of the girl who owed and not NH? This gambling part of the scene could have been during the gambling phase where she played and lost money earlier in the week (this Mary) and later came the pay off. Maybe this "Mary" was part of the hand off of NH, but most likely a mix up of girls, if this is the case.  Why is Mary the only name of anyone mentioned in the whole shango writings?  I believe the "lamb" is NH for she tried to run away.  If Mary is NH, why not make it NH specific?  Why not identify who this Mary is and then ID who NH is, if nothing else then say the girl who gambled and the girl mistakenly taken? The gamblers, and ask the dicemen???  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers  somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata


Maybe those dutch owned apartments?

That colombo, and Aristotle thing sounds right to me, except I believe joran and Palus is the ultimate cause of her death so she would not talk.
    Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 02:09:07 PM
"How could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
Colombo...Are You trying to say that it was not Natalee that owed the money or Are You trying to say that Natalee was not as easy as The Gamblers thought She would be? There are some that believe that Natalee was taken by mistake that They got Her mixed Up with Someone Else from MB...Your thoughts ..Please...TIA

That definitely is a possibility as it looks, but there again, you have had this played out before by the pimps to whatever degree.  I do not believe NH would be gambling, if so, not much.  She had money in her room.  She could have called home for money, I am very sure.  She did not seem to go to excess with anything from what I am learning about her.  Who would leave at that time of night and go for more gambling when school and/or work is coming up, a flight leaving?  It was most likely someone else owed the money and was paying off with a girl.  Wonder what kind of party was being at the sloots on a work and school night?  Maybe Palus owed money.  He was out of work at the time.  He knew people who had perverted lusts, it seems.  No, there were gamblers, but private party gamblers  somewhere.  Jackb

Yes ... now who??? 
CAPS, do you know???

Chata


Maybe those dutch owned apartments?

That colombo, and Aristotle thing sounds right to me, except I believe joran and Palus is the ultimate cause of her death so she would not talk.
    Jackb
  I failed to say I believe GCV applied the final fix.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 02:09:14 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2008, 02:14:21 PM
Was Viriginia the one who left the island early like on the 28th of May....Why did She leave early? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
either that or the poison note$ refer to credit..... JVDS is playing the next night at Wyndham

Also, remember the "who gave Mary the poison wine of Baccus?"  That spelling is very close to the Alabama senator's name who came to Aruba for some reason after this all happened.  I always thought that was curious.  Wonder if there is a connection from Alabama somewhere?  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 02:21:24 PM
Was Viriginia the one who left the island early like on the 28th of May....Why did She leave early? 

I am not sure when she left, but in the picture at the link Lala's posted she looks just like Nat does in the car video...

I thought that she graduated a year earlier and have wondered if maybe she was staying separately from the MB'ers, maybe at the Marriott.

there was something about the plane going down to pick her up. I need to go back and read it again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 02:25:43 PM
either that or the poison note$ refer to credit..... JVDS is playing the next night at Wyndham

Also, remember the "who gave Mary the poison wine of Baccus?"  That spelling is very close to the Alabama senator's name who came to Aruba for some reason after this all happened.  I always thought that was curious.  Wonder if there is a connection from Alabama somewhere?  j/b


If they knew it was a kidnapping and somehow knew it was the wrong girl...there would be a big Alabama connection...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 02:39:18 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 02:42:39 PM
A few posts from Caps theories...some still hold...I think others have been discarded.  Interesting theory anyway about gambling debts and payoffs. A lot of info interwoven among the conversation. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1120

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1140

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1320


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?


It was indeed...not that your are at Goddess status yet...but keep working on it. LMAO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 02:52:03 PM
Was Viriginia the one who left the island early like on the 28th of May....Why did She leave early? 

How about West Virginia connections?  Bird on a wire?  Old, old politician it was rumored from W. Virg.  high up, very high up and very popular in politics who was supposed to be into this sort of orgy type thing.  He still is active.
Maybe some connection there as well.  A sacrifice had to be made and if the right girl left, then someone had to replace her.  This is erie to say the least.
j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 02:58:03 PM
When did Deutekom (sp) retire?  Do we know? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 03:03:46 PM
When did Deutekom (sp) retire?  Do we know? 


Is this the one OM, that Caps mentioned yesterday? If so he said he was still there yesterday,IIRC. (Running all over...Caps posts, Chata's posts, Loesge posts, but will go back and check...LOL)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 03:10:11 PM
Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom, but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.

Deutekom is the DirtyHand in OM , Why he is not on the List?. He was there in April 2005 till today.




Found it on page 9! We are posting up a storm...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 03:11:20 PM
When did Deutekom (sp) retire?  Do we know? 

I am under the impression that he is still PUBLIC prosecutor.  He is relatively young, born in 1943.  There are different type prosecutors, but he is supposed to stand between Aruba (and other antilles) and the NL on decisions.  He supposed to be over the show.  Palus is 55, I think.  Some say 50, but I believe he is 55 by now.  This prosecutor is not all that much older than Palus.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 03:19:18 PM
We do have a bunch of smart monkeys....given recent info on the dutch owned apartments....




bleachedblack

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2007, 11:29:03 PM »
   

Amsterdam Manor is gold........maybe this was the golden maze. My feeling is there has to be a particular place, probably a hotel that tourists in general are taken when found passed out, drunk on the beach, or wherever until they can sleep it off. Maybe they brought Natalee to this place?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 03:47:35 PM
Note STom reply to me about Paulus whereabouts on said night...would like to know his source for this info...

Stom

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #214 on: August 09, 2007, 03:17:52 PM »
   
Quote from: Lala'sMom on August 09, 2007, 01:01:11 PM
The 5th suspect is Paulus van der Sloot.  That Paulus was the "boyfriend" from earlier in the week.  Eleye clearly thought this and argued this point with me many times. He had very good reasons for saying that and although I tried without success, he stuck with his assumptions. As of this moment, I can't say for sure what the deal is.  It was a revolting thought to me...that Natalee would have been interested in that older man.  I truly do not see that in any way possible, but I am only speculating also. So to each his own.  If there is someone that can prove it...I will believe it.

Lala'sMom,

Paulus was in Holland.  He arrived Sunday afternoon, before going to the Casino with Joran.  He couldn't have been the boyfriend from earlier in the week, if there was ever any.
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 03:51:14 PM
Question? 

Did they take the wrong girl?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 03:55:38 PM
Thought everyone would be interested in this too...


*******

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #257 on: August 13, 2007, 02:52:11 AM »
   
http://hcgtv.net/viewtopic.php?id=1110&p=12


#287 2005-06-21 4:52 pm
Siman Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searchedFirst of all I see a lot of you discussing the suspects being charged, The system in Aruba doesn't work like that. When they decide to go to court than they will charge them. Not before.

In the Aruban/Dutch/European system it is believed that releasing information will interfere with the process of a trial.

When the charges are presented these will be released.


005-06-22 9:27 am
Siman
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searchedNobody knows what the Police have with regard to evidence. You cannot say that nothing has been found.

The first time a suspect is brought before a magistrate is to confirm that the process of arrest has been carried out accordingly. After that the suspect can be brought in again and evidence or testemony needs to be presented in which the magistrate may decide that it is reasonable to keep the suspect longer.

This can be repeated up to 116 days. This is done to protect the investigation.

There is one aspect that needs to be considered. Natalee H. is 18. Legal of age in Aruba. She cannot be found. She has no duty to let her whereabouts be known. There is no crime.

All that we know is that the boys lied about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn. The Police better have A LOT of evidence to hold them.




2005-06-21 4:56 pm
Siman
Guest Re: Joran Van Der Sloot, house searchedThe FBI is completely involved with this case and is helping the Aruban Police.

One thing everybody has to understand is jurisdiction. In trial it might be turn out to be a technicality if a Judge will consider interference from outside "forces".

That is why the FBI can suggest certain things. They help with the serach and offer all technical assistance. However, their involvement is limited by jusridiction.

On another note, Aruba is an autonomous member of the Dutch Kingdom. Not a protectorate.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 03:58:12 PM
When did Deutekom (sp) retire?  Do we know? 


Is this the one OM, that Caps mentioned yesterday? If so he said he was still there yesterday,IIRC. (Running all over...Caps posts, Chata's posts, Loesge posts, but will go back and check...LOL)

Then according to Shango he can't be Dirty Hand...he has to be leaving or retiring or something like that...gosh...my brain is mush today.  Oops!  I forgot...there are many dirty hands....I just want to know who is the main Dirty Hand. The one that makes teepees fall and the island to implode.LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 04:08:36 PM
When did Deutekom (sp) retire?  Do we know? 


Is this the one OM, that Caps mentioned yesterday? If so he said he was still there yesterday,IIRC. (Running all over...Caps posts, Chata's posts, Loesge posts, but will go back and check...LOL)

Then according to Shango he can't be Dirty Hand...he has to be leaving or retiring or something like that...gosh...my brain is mush today.  Oops!  I forgot...there are many dirty hands....I just want to know who is the main Dirty Hand. The one that makes teepees fall and the island to implode.LOL


How did Rudy keep the Justice Minister's job? How could he bargain for his brother to have it if he didn't? Is he pulling the strings? His brother? Or is some-one pulling them for him?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 04:13:12 PM
When did Deutekom (sp) retire?  Do we know? 


Is this the one OM, that Caps mentioned yesterday? If so he said he was still there yesterday,IIRC. (Running all over...Caps posts, Chata's posts, Loesge posts, but will go back and check...LOL)

Then according to Shango he can't be Dirty Hand...he has to be leaving or retiring or something like that...gosh...my brain is mush today.  Oops!  I forgot...there are many dirty hands....I just want to know who is the main Dirty Hand. The one that makes teepees fall and the island to implode.LOL


How did Rudy keep the Justice Minister's job? How could he bargain for his brother to have it if he didn't? Is he pulling the strings? His brother? Or is some-one pulling them for him?


All of the above.  If we go with this guy as Dirty Hand...how does this make the teepees fall?  How does this fit into anything known about this case?  I am just thinking here, but welcome any random thoughts by anyone at this point.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 27, 2008, 04:33:14 PM
One more thought on Dirty Hand!…Van der Straten was taken of off the case for 5 or 6 day by Oduber. The Police Union got him back on. So some-one has more power than Oduber! Or has the goods on him, which would be the same, I thinK? Who?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 04:54:46 PM
Who attends these high stakes gambling parties?  The type that you pay in human flesh rather than cash?  Hmmmmm.....


Goodship Lolliop-alive & well & living in Aruba?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 04:57:09 PM
similarities?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4d9ce_mission-viejo-ca-woman-missing-on-s_news


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on March 27, 2008, 05:07:34 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
similarities?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4d9ce_mission-viejo-ca-woman-missing-on-s_news


Insurance fraud...intoxicated...alone...could have been picked up?   All speculation...just like this case.  I am wondering if she routinely walked to the casino that late at night?  The reporter indicated she was a regular at the casino...I don't suppose there has been any updates on this case at all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 05:14:11 PM
Hi Chata...we can post slower if you need us to...please drop by more often.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 05:20:32 PM
similarities?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4d9ce_mission-viejo-ca-woman-missing-on-s_news


Insurance fraud...intoxicated...alone...could have been picked up?   All speculation...just like this case.  I am wondering if she routinely walked to the casino that late at night?  The reporter indicated she was a regular at the casino...I don't suppose there has been any updates on this case at all.


she spent her nights at their tables


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 05:46:00 PM
similarities?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4d9ce_mission-viejo-ca-woman-missing-on-s_news


Insurance fraud...intoxicated...alone...could have been picked up?   All speculation...just like this case.  I am wondering if she routinely walked to the casino that late at night?  The reporter indicated she was a regular at the casino...I don't suppose there has been any updates on this case at all.


she spent her nights at their tables

I agree..just wish we could connect all this together. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 27, 2008, 05:51:15 PM
One more thought on Dirty Hand!…Van der Straten was taken of off the case for 5 or 6 day by Oduber. The Police Union got him back on. So some-one has more power than Oduber! Or has the goods on him, which would be the same, I thinK? Who?

Going by your interpretation..Straten would not be the Dirty Hand we seek...even though Babalu opend the window...we may indeed be looking at others such as Kermit's Bernadina and Caps ....D....whatever his name is....I really need to learn that name. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 27, 2008, 05:58:44 PM
One more thought on Dirty Hand!…Van der Straten was taken of off the case for 5 or 6 day by Oduber. The Police Union got him back on. So some-one has more power than Oduber! Or has the goods on him, which would be the same, I thinK? Who?

Going by your interpretation..Straten would not be the Dirty Hand we seek...even though Babalu opend the window...we may indeed be looking at others such as Kermit's Bernadina and Caps ....D....whatever his name is....I really need to learn that name. LOL


Can't remember exact words but I saw him give a interview on MSM to the effect that there was enormous pressure at that time - the threat of being fired was being held over everybody's head.....which one could expect if the scenario of loesge was true

I think that Babalu is here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

-either physically or virtually perhaps


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 27, 2008, 10:12:15 PM
Could Someone please correct this Key if any is not correct...I need something to go by for better understanding...TIA  ::MonkeyWink::

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

 

Note: Shango says three things frequently enough that I think it more efficient to provide one translation here to use afterward:

 

I must (go) feed the messengers

Either Shango has sources of his own he has to confer with (my guess), or he is leaking information to the media or elsewhere as well.

 

The gods are talking

Refers to ongoing communiquÈs between the Aruban government, the Netehrlands, the U.S., etc.

 

Light the fires!

The day of charges/trial/conviction are approaching.

 

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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190

 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 27, 2008, 10:35:48 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Get you a Win Cleaner One Click Clean software disk, they are not expensive,  and run it on One click when you go on I-net or just to clean up off line or every time you get on a blog and when you finish.  Also search and find Fire Fox browser and bring it down to use.  Get on with your regular home page and immediately close that out after you are connected and bring up your Fire Fox browzer.   Use that on your blogs.  It is much faster, even with dial up. It is faster than DSL for going to different pages.  You can run the One Click any time.    Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on March 27, 2008, 11:05:23 PM


I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata
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Get you a Win Cleaner One Click Clean software disk, they are not expensive,  and run it on One click when you go on I-net or just to clean up off line or every time you get on a blog and when you finish.  Also search and find Fire Fox browser and bring it down to use.  Get on with your regular home page and immediately close that out after you are connected and bring up your Fire Fox browzer.   Use that on your blogs.  It is much faster, even with dial up. It is faster than DSL for going to different pages.  You can run the One Click any time.    Jack b
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Thank you for the info Jack ... I will save it until one of my children comes over and let them set it up for me.  I am not very computer savy when it comes to new software.  They are really after me to at least upgrade to DSL ... LOL.  Maybe I will one day.

Chata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 27, 2008, 11:50:04 PM
Could Someone please correct this Key if any is not correct...I need something to go by for better understanding...TIA 

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.

Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human

always found the doppelganger reference most intriguing

both in terms of how doppel was recognized by other posters
and in wondering how literally the term may have been used

the codetalkers were esoterically literate, for sure

does anyone have a handle on the recognition factor?
was recognition triggered by something in post style?

did doppel make appearance to mis-direct?
did doppel contradict what sim was posting?
is that what was recognized?

cuz I've read/re-read and I don't pick up on anything

possibly some were familiar w/ the schedules of others,
that they could not possibly be posting at certain times
and therefore knew it was the doppel online?

most simple definition of deppelganger: alter ego:
another side of oneself; a second self;
an intimate friend or constant companion

A doppelgänger is the ghostly double of a living person, a sinister form of bilocation.

Bilocation is a term used to describe the ability/instance in which an individual or object is said to be, or appear to be, located in two distinct places at the same instant in time.

In the vernacular, "Doppelgänger" has come to refer to any double or look-alike of a person ... most commonly an "evil twin". The literal translation of the German word is "doublewalker", meaning someone who is acting (e.g. walking) the same way as another person.

The doppelgängers of folklore cast no shadow, and have no reflection in a mirror or in water. They are supposed to provide advice to the person they shadow, but this advice can be misleading or malicious. They can also, in rare instances, plant ideas in their victim's mind or appear before friends and relatives, causing confusion.

Some stories offer supernatural explanations for doubles. These doppelgängers are typically, but not always, evil in some way. The double will often impersonate the victim and go about ruining them, for instance through committing crimes or insulting the victim's friends.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 28, 2008, 12:39:57 AM
does anyone have a handle on the recognition factor?
was recognition triggered by something in post style?

did doppel make appearance to mis-direct?
did doppel contradict what sim was posting?
is that what was recognized?

cuz I've read/re-read and I don't pick up on anything

uh, never mind, a very smart monkey helped me

"I see" ... said blind/forgetful finn

:::slinks away:::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 28, 2008, 03:30:04 AM
found some stuff I saved from July 2005

did the poster's nic contain the word wizard ... ?
see sandraK's response below

some good elements here:
Mark Fuhrman's "a little truth in every lie"

WHERE IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

The original lie was that Natalee was dropped off at the Holiday Inn and approached by two security guards, a description of whom was given in enough detail that two such men were quickly identified and arrested. Her body was hidden where the original lie says it is, period: The high rise hotel strip area, near Marriott and Holiday Inn. The most harmless scenario for the three boys involved was to say that they quickly dispatched Natalee back to her hotel since it was observed that she may have been tipsy at the time she was seen driving off with them. Furthermore, it has been said that Natalee did return to her hotel room briefly to retrieve something and left again and so, in the event that someone may have seen Kalpoe's car in the vicinity of the Holiday Inn subsequent to leaving Carlos and Charlie's while she got something from her room, they had to cover for the car potentially being seen near the Holiday Inn. Therefore, the story was concocted BEFORE the hiding location near Holiday Inn or Mariott was chosen, and her body was placed where it was in order to support the original lie.

2001 Aruba trip report describing an "Old Hotel's" remnants near the Marriott & Holiday Inn: "we walked past Marriott to where an old hotel and old craft stalls once stood. This area also had windsurfing booths set up for young and old.. Pretty trashy, no luck but best area for finding many seashells."

The story-fabricators also selected two security guards known as regularly patrolling in the vicinity of said hiding place as the scapegoats. The body-hiding consultant being familiar with a hiding place close to Natalee's hotel, the Holiday Inn. In other words, the body-hiding consultant has been to this hiding place before, it was not a quick, random choice or created for the occasion. Ergo, her body will be found within the security guards' customary patrol area. (This does not mean that the body-hiding consultant has hidden other bodies but he may know of the existence of other bodies in the selected hiding place).

Why were the guards singled out and not "a stranger" or nobody? Why bring a potential perpetrator into the alibi at all? This tells you that Joran and the Kalpoes do know that something happened to Natalee and it tells you that they all concocted a story that might fly in the event that the hiding place in *THE GUARDS' CUSTOMARY PATROL AREA* is found with Natalee inside. It also tells you that Steve Croes was the one who suggested the body-hiding place close to where his boat is usually anchored. So Croes knows the Kalpoes better than he says since they brought him into it early on with the initial intention of using his boat and before fine-tuning the original alibi. Croes discouraged that idea, not wanting to participate, suggesting instead the guard story along with a good hiding place near Holiday Inn that he was familiar with, since this is his territory. He knows the security guards' patrol routine and could describe them in detail. Croes is the one that the guards need to be mad at. Why did these two, specific individuals come to mind when they were not even on duty that night instead of some random, fabricated individual? Because Croes had to duck those two guards in the past while visiting the hiding location for a different reason and therefore the guards were the first scapegoats to come to mind when fabricating a story about how Natalee will have come to be found in the location of the guards' customary nightly patrol.

The location of Natalee is further confirmed and identified by the second, (adjusted), story which is currently that the Kalpoe brothers dropped Natalee and Joran off alone on the beach near the Marriott. This is also a lie, since they did not allude to the fact that Natalee was now deceased when dropped off there with Joran. The adjustment in the story indicates that her location may be closest to the Marriott in particular. The body of Natalee Holloway was hidden on land in the Palm Beach area of the hotels. To frame the security guards, she could not be put out to sea and potentially disappear forever because the Kalpoe's car might have been observed waiting at the Holiday Inn while Natalee retrieved something from her room. The body was put in a place where it could be found. Her body was meant to be discovered, initially THE BODY WAS HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT. The intention of the original lie was to frame the guards and absolve Joran and two Kalpoes of being the last people to have Natalee in their possession, a better scenario all around since Croes did not want to involve himself or his boat. It is said that Paulus Van Der Sloot made the statement that there is "no case without a body", to the boys. This probably precipitated a call to Croes to use his boat.

WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY?
Joran and the Kalpoe brothers did not deliver Natalee to the beachfront high rise strip and leave. They only stopped by for Natalee to get something from her room and then they all left together. They may have driven around some and they may even have visited the lighthouse as stated but, ultimately the Kalpoe brothers dropped Natalee and Joran both off at the Van Der Sloot residence where Joran has his own apartment, separate from the main house. The currently held scenario is that Paulus Van Der Sloot had picked Joran up from a McDonalds around 11:00 p.m., took him home and then went about his business, assuming that Joran was home for the night. Did Joran or Paulus bring a "walnut salad" home from McDonalds? That was mentioned.

It is also currently held that Joran sneaked out off the property at some point and went to Carlos and Charlie's where he met back up with Natalee who was to return home the following morning.

The Van Der Sloot property has a pool and is gated. My contacts say that Natalee fell off a gate. They also describe a "Victorian Pool", which means that there may be a gazebo there or something Victorian about the surrounding area or the home. This pool, (or the gate) according to them, is supposed to be angular in some way. The angular comment could possibly apply to an angular object near the gate that she fell onto. It's difficult to tell the context of the angular remark. My contacts describe Natalee as "dopy" at the time she fell off the gate, so it is not to say that going to a boy's home in the middle of the night is something that she would ordinarily do. So the Kalpoe brothers dropped Joran and Natalee back at Joran's house and this gate may have been closed and locked. It could be that the gate was not locked, but simply that opening it would have made enough noise to alert Daddy Van Der Sloot to a returning Joran and his company. Natalee either fell off the Van Der Sloot gate sneaking onto the premises with Joran or she had to climb that gate a second time trying to run away from the property.

I think that she was trying to run away and I think that she may have been "taken advantage of", prior. In any case, she fell from the gate and was injured to an unknown degree. This is when Paulus Van Der Sloot becomes aware and involved and the Kalpoe brothers were called back to the residence to discuss the details of where their car, and Joran in particular, might have been seen with Natalee after Joran sneaked out and met up with her. This, because she was in bad shape or unconscious by the time Paulus Van Der Sloot, comes into play. I believe that the Kalpoe cell phone record of the first call from Joran is going to show that Kalpoe was called from the Van Der Sloot home to come there and help remove Natalee; not to pick up Joran from the Marriott area as they all now say. This would be why there was blood in the Kalpoe car. If they dropped off a deceased Natalee and Joran near the Marriott to meet the body-hider, they may have changed their story to Marriott beach to explain their car potentially being seen there. That's why the current lie reveals and refines Natalee's location as closer to the Marriott rather than the Holiday Inn. They are all still in cohoots but currently, the Kalpoes are trying to distance themselves from further involvement with Natalee once they dropped her and Joran at Van Der Sloots', since they were not at the scene when she died but they do have to cover for the first call received from Jorran, and they needed to cover for the potential of their car being seen at Marriott beach.

My contacts continually cite Paulus Van Der Sloot as the killer and they observe Natalee with tape or something over her mouth. Because of this, I suspect that it was Paulus who suggested application of the tape or a gag while she was unconscious lest she come to and start hollering, and she suffocated or otherwise succumbed to her injuries while Paulus and Joran were trying to figure out what to do about her. I have mention of her being in a garage at a certain point in this, but I don't know if Van Der Sloots have a garage. If so, that's where they had her. I do not think that her death was intentional and it could be that they would have taken her to the hospital, but I do think that a trip to the hospital was not immediately undertaken as they discussed what to do with the circumstances at hand. She was probably at death's door and possibly showing evidence of being "taken advantage of" by the son. The circumstances had the potential to create a career-derailing scandal for "The Judge" and she died as options were being weighed.

WHO HID NATALEE HOLLOWAY?
I don't think that Van Der Sloot, Sr. has ever had to dispose of a body before but he is in the position to know who would and could. He or Joran knew somebody on the Island in need of exchanging favors and my contacts are naming Lorenzo Van Rijn as that person. I don't know if they are related. Once the cover story was agreed upon between Van Der Sloot, Sr., Joran, the Kalpoes, Croes, and possibly some other confidants who were asked for advice. I believe that Lorenzo was called. He was asked to stash her and Natalee was taken by Joran with the returning Kalpoe(s) in Kalpoe's car to Lorenzo, to remove the rest of the party except Joran from culpability for the actual disposal of Natalee. They most likely wanted Kalpoe(s) to take her to Lorenzo alone but they declined to go without Joran and possibly be held liable for the incident. Kalpoe(s) then dropped Natalee and Joran off with Lorenzo and the Kalpoes went home. Joran advises Kalpoe that he will be in contact via the internet later as a means to avoid more cell phone contact. I believe the Kalpoe mother is aware that the boy(s) left the house again.

After Natalee was hidden, Joran most likely walked home as he currently states. All of their stories are going to have an element of truth in order to cover potentially having been seen. I don't think that Lorenzo would be stupid enough to be seen dropping Joran back at the crime scene and I'm sure that daddy was cowering on the premises in a state of shock while she was being disposed of; hence text message to Deepak from Joran that he got home okay; indicating that the hiding task was completed without incident.

#1. Guard 1 (freed)
#2. Guard 2, (freed)
#3. Kalpoe 1, driver, (detained)
#4. Kalpoe 2, story substantiator, (detained)
#5 Kalpoe Mama, complicit, (unsuspected) knows her boy(s) did not stay home and went back out that night 
#6 Van Der Sloot 1, Romeo, (detained)
#7 Van Der Sloot 2, technically the killer, (freed)
#8 Croes, body-hiding consultant, (freed)
#9 Van Rijn, body-hider, (unsuspected)

followed immediately, of course, by a comment from sandraK defending Steve Croes:

WIZ.. Cam was on SteveO...and the boat Dock area All Night.
He dumb as a Box O' Rocks.. but He not in this..
I'm Stickin" with my "Big 95" Theory ....

"Big 95 Theory" I think refers to the fact that Panty Boy works for radio station Big 95

followed immediately by another defense from sandraK:

Lorenzo's phone records cheaked..He Never met Joran or the Alpo Bros. in his Life..
This is wasting Time.. We need to look @ the SBF People.!!!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wick3DsBaby the mod posted this in LCD #21

Monday, July 25, 2005 6:13:43 PM

*This is coming from a 2nd source, I trust the 2nd source but it's not to say the first source is trustworthy, take it as you wish, I'm only relaying. No, the sources will not be identified, please do not ask. AGAIN, I'm not saying this is true, but it is for your speculative minds...

"Karin is setting him up. Says they are dirty. Not a cover but also blaming anybody they can to close the case. The judge allowed him to read her a statement in court before his release. Now she is really pissed. And gonna get him."

**From what I gather, the "he" is PVDS

***CORRECTION to previous post ~ The "he" is not PVDS, it's Deepak. Again, my source is reliable, that person's source may or may not be, as agreed by my source ... make sense?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 07:59:44 AM
Good Morning!

Trying to track down Oduber’s movements and the dates van der Straten was off the case. Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for I believe an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. (I found the link to this eons ago and recall reading it, but not the dates!)

Van der Straten was on the case on June 5th and June 11th.
Questions…Who would be in charge with Oduber out of the country – 2nd. In charge? Is that who got rid of van der Straten? And who the heck is Hasell in the getegrip post??
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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/05/natalee-holloway-update-sunday-june-5/#comments
          June 5th…FP…CNN
Chief Jan van Strantan said the two men are security guards at the Hotel Allegro near the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying.

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June 6th…Florida…Oduber

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/07/aruba-accuses-us-government-of.html

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1015 - Van der Straten (head of investigation) on the air, he defends his police department. Info is false about confession. They’re investigating still. (Liela)
Posted June 11, 2005…Front Page
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-sat-june-11/#comments
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ZAANDAM, Eric  – current President of Police Union.
 
ZAANDAM, Stanley  - Ex-Commissioner Stanley Zaandam, "the body of Natalee Holloway may have already been found and CVP (Police Commissioner) looked the other way to do a favor for Paul Van der sloot. To exculpate the son of Paul, the CVP and fiscal Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John, called this a "tactical maneuver" and denied them their freedom another 10 days."(Bon Dia, 9/19/2005)

Zaandam, Stanley J.
Korps Politie Aruba (K.P.A.) Quo Vadis? (Waarheen?) / Stanley J. Zaandam. -
Aruba : Consultancy & Editorship Stanella, 2000. - 272 p. ; 23 cm.
ISBN 99904-948-8-6

http://www.madurolibrary.org/html/library/books/antilliana/z.html

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From getagrip….Thank You!

9.19.2005
Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3
To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards
Police command nominations named as the reason of the mistake
Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005


ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.

According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.

Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.

Police at the top of political list

According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.
He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.

He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.

BLUNDER

Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.

FALSE ARREST

Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.

This, continues Zaandam in his book, is the issue here. However, he has much more to tell regarding the case of Natalee Holloway.

[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 08:10:07 AM
Caps...Is Martina in the Prosecuter's Office with van Deutekom?

TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 28, 2008, 09:13:03 AM
Last night I made myself watch this movie, it was terrible this group of sick people druged these kids  just to kill them anyway they wanted.
This took place in Europe.After watching half of this movie other thoughts were in my head about rave parties, Lions Den etc.
Just click on the link and you will get a feel of this terrible movie that may have some truth in it.

Psychological thriller Hostel, about three backpackers in Europe who become victims in a torture ring.

http://www.hostelfilm.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 10:10:59 AM
We do have a bunch of smart monkeys....given recent info on the dutch owned apartments....




bleachedblack

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2007, 11:29:03 PM »
   

Amsterdam Manor is gold........maybe this was the golden maze. My feeling is there has to be a particular place, probably a hotel that tourists in general are taken when found passed out, drunk on the beach, or wherever until they can sleep it off. Maybe they brought Natalee to this place?


Lala's...are you leaning toward the Ansterdam Manor or just pointing out the Dutch ownership.

I recall the Apartments that Yap and Caps posted...Whitehouse and Montanja? Did both thes have a Star? Or was there another one as well?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 10:19:59 AM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Chata…I found this after reading one of your posts yesterday. Only one of the Aruba website is up the other is under construction. They have a key, a star and Days of St. John amongst other things. Just keeping it in mind...

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/entries.html

http://www.freemasonry.fm/By-Countries.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 10:24:29 AM
Hotping...I haven't worked out 'across the pond' yet!...LOL

Finn...Thanks for posting those posts

Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 10:28:02 AM
Could Someone please correct this Key if any is not correct...I need something to go by for better understanding...TIA  ::MonkeyWink::

THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

 

Note: Shango says three things frequently enough that I think it more efficient to provide one translation here to use afterward:

 

I must (go) feed the messengers

Either Shango has sources of his own he has to confer with (my guess), or he is leaking information to the media or elsewhere as well.

 

The gods are talking

Refers to ongoing communiquÈs between the Aruban government, the Netehrlands, the U.S., etc.

 

Light the fires!

The day of charges/trial/conviction are approaching.

 

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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190

 



The key you are using has been for several years the one most used in trying to interpret Shango...however nothing is perfectly clear with Shango.   According to whom he is speaking to at the moment...his use of terms is interchangeable.  Until Capslock arrived this key was followed closely.  Some things have changed in that Caps says  Shango changes his terms to fit the story he is telling...I disagree, but that is only because I still claim that Shango is trying to communicate with people that have an American background and not an Aruban one.  So many of us see things so differently that until Shango comes out and tells us what he means we will all still be here forever.  I still believe that you must read the riddles in CONTEXT with the other posters to understand them.  Some others seem to want to take them and just list them in order of posting without regard to dates and times and make a story out of them.  That is possible also, and it is quite logical to think it will work.  I however do not think that you can do that...but then again that's just me and I know little about Shango and his ways.

How did Simian know there was a doppleganger???  Once again, it's a matter of context...a few of the Simian insiders knew the code that told them it was the real Simian or the fake one.   A few possibilities:  Allyinmiami was the one that could tell most often...they spoke in Spanish or Pap or something that I can't translate if you read the comments in CONTEXT.  Also, remember this is the internet...what is there to keep Simian and his cohorts (Ally, Lucy, Checkme, etc.) from talking on IM first to let them know they are online and then posting on the FP?  I do it all the time....or by email even.  Am I making myself clear or have I muddied the water even more?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 10:49:23 AM
Good Morning Lala's...Still can't make up my mind if Natalee was 'the loot' or the 'wrong girl'!

Both make sense!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 10:55:51 AM
Hotping...I haven't worked out 'across the pond' yet!...LOL

Finn...Thanks for posting those posts

Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

One of our new Dutch posters made that same reference several months back pertaining to the NL...so I am thinking to Shango he meant that same thing...across the ocean to the Netherlands. Across the pond to England and on to the NL.  My opinion. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 10:56:30 AM
Good Morning Lala's...Still can't make up my mind if Natalee was 'the loot' or the 'wrong girl'!

Both make sense!!!

Why can't she be both?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 28, 2008, 12:33:55 PM


I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.



Chata

Get you a Win Cleaner One Click Clean software disk, they are not expensive,  and run it on One click when you go on I-net or just to clean up off line or every time you get on a blog and when you finish.  Also search and find Fire Fox browser and bring it down to use.  Get on with your regular home page and immediately close that out after you are connected and bring up your Fire Fox browzer.   Use that on your blogs.  It is much faster, even with dial up. It is faster than DSL for going to different pages.  You can run the One Click any time.    Jack b
[/quote]

Thank you for the info Jack ... I will save it until one of my children comes over and let them set it up for me.  I am not very computer savy when it comes to new software.  They are really after me to at least upgrade to DSL ... LOL.  Maybe I will one day.

Chata

[/quote]

DSL is not an improvement, actually.  It is your browser that is being used after you get on you blogs.  You just lose some control to correct things on your computer, unless you are savy enough to bypass their controls.  The computer may need also to go to Accessories, Scan disk always before you defragment.
There is right much to keeping one cleaned if you are on the I-net a lot.  Music downloading and videos, as well as downloading software can cause a lot of extra junk to clutter there.  If I can help you any way, let me know.  I will try to, at least.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 28, 2008, 12:56:00 PM
Lala'sMom
Scared Monkey
Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???


My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.



 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 01:16:42 PM
Hotping...I haven't worked out 'across the pond' yet!...LOL

Finn...Thanks for posting those posts

Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???

One of our new Dutch posters made that same reference several months back pertaining to the NL...so I am thinking to Shango he meant that same thing...across the ocean to the Netherlands. Across the pond to England and on to the NL.  My opinion. 

Lala's...that is what I have thought after seeing Arubans use it on boards and obviously meaning Holland. I thought the new Dutch poster that used it, said something like 'Goodnight to you all across the pond' and that would mean us. The US. Don't suppose you have that post?...LOL

For some reason I had thought Simian used 'across the pond'. So now you tell me it was in a Shango post, I will have to rethink it all when I am fully awake from my nap!  Maybe it will make perfect sense...or not!  Woke up at 2 this morning and that is wayyyy too early!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 01:23:58 PM
Good Morning Lala's...Still can't make up my mind if Natalee was 'the loot' or the 'wrong girl'!

Both make sense!!!

Why can't she be both?

Thanks Lala’s…I never thought of that. So Natalee was ‘the loot’.

So who owed the money?  Virginia?....Joran…we were told he was a terrible card player? Some-one else? Paulus, Freddy?

If not Virginia is this their way of laundering money?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 01:32:34 PM
Lala'sMom
Scared Monkey
Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???


My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.



 

Thanks Blonde...I agree with you, except in this case the girl didn't go willingly...Then Natalee would be 'the loot' as COLUMBO says. She was targeted, chosen or the other Mary was!

 There was a lot of people on the island that weekend for the Soul Beach Festival. Some came with their own boats from Columbia and Venezuela. I also recall reading way back that there was a private plane...some Middle Eastern royalty or hob-knob.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 28, 2008, 02:03:02 PM
Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 02:15:56 PM
Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS

Caps...Steve Croes or Geoffrey van Cromvoirt?  Not sure which one you want...no PV's on either, but can give you a little information on both.

Alibi for Geoffrey was I believe his parents. They are now in the Netherlands. Sister a cop. Father ran VCB in Aruba and maybe other islands. He used to work at VCB and was known as a beach bum...worked the banana boats. Lots of pics of him on boats in the old thread.

Steve was supposed to be on the "Tattoo" and supposedly went to C&C's. Knew the Kalpoes I believe. Lots on him in the other thread.

Let me know what you are looking for...

What about Freddy????   LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Hotshot on March 28, 2008, 02:32:31 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Chata…I found this after reading one of your posts yesterday. Only one of the Aruba website is up the other is under construction. They have a key, a star and Days of St. John amongst other things. Just keeping it in mind...

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/entries.html

http://www.freemasonry.fm/By-Countries.html


OMG, I brought that up very early on in the case, and got thrown outta here.  Got into it with a person who is no longer here about it also.  I still feel the same way, but tread lightly.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
VIRGINia=MARY ::MonkeyEek::


Yep, you're a Shangohead. LOL

LOL...I take that as a compliment.

Chata...I reread all your posts...I really wish you would post more often! Should we follow that Star and the Days of St. John?

I would post more often but I have dial-up and it is verrrrry slow.  Gets frustrating to post and find the subject has changed. 

I don't know what was meant by the star and St.John, but I don't think they were thrown in to fill space in a post.  CAPS may have some insight there. 

I do think there are some connections with the "movers and shakers" on the Island and maybe/probably in the US.  I tend to lean toward organized crime.

Of course, this is all just my opinion.

Chata

Chata…I found this after reading one of your posts yesterday. Only one of the Aruba website is up the other is under construction. They have a key, a star and Days of St. John amongst other things. Just keeping it in mind...

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/entries.html

http://www.freemasonry.fm/By-Countries.html


OMG, I brought that up very early on in the case, and got thrown outta here.  Got into it with a person who is no longer here about it also.  I still feel the same way, but tread lightly.......


LOL...Hi Hotshot!...Read a lot of that way back then! As I've said before...The Marines are always looking for a few good men...does not mean all they get are good!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 28, 2008, 02:40:11 PM
I ment Geoffrey van Cromvoirt

Who testefy for him and look at the times if there is any that say where he was.

then look at the times for Steve where he was

Then Look at Paules time where they were.

and Joran times where they were.


Put in a table form

Use the knowledge we have today and books.

Time of calls to each other between father and son

the info on Freddy is comming today after finshing work. it seems that karen went to visit someone in the pen on tuesday. it is visiting day and I show the picture and was confirm that she went to see someone...more later

BTW there is a military traing beeing scheduled by the DirtyHand again. Look at diario news yesterday or day before.

Also the there was an AHATA conferance in Aruba and it was a flop completly flop. seem the monkey are winning. Poor attendance for the USA. is in the papers today.



 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 02:46:45 PM
Thanks Caps...

Geoffrey von Cromvoirt… Dad..retired cop from the Netherlands. They came to Aruba 1997. Lived at 14A Paradara…house was still for sale December 2007. They threatened to sue May 2007 after Geoffrey was detained in April 2007.

I read that both Geoffrey and his Dad were questioned early on.

From Sunfreak’s Aruban Who’s Who

Dad...
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
 
VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


VISIBILITY TEAM, the – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s recently…from Curacao…divorced and a small child. Lived with his grandparent’s, wife’s parents, I think. Aunt lived next door, married to retired cop Rufo Solognier.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 03:05:54 PM
Caps...Dave Holloway said the Geoffrey was at C&C's that night. There were witnesses. I have the article and link, but it is long.

Also a tourist contacted the FBI as she was with GVC on June 9th. and received a phone call. He reacted strangely to the phone call. This was on the night of the day that J2K was arrested. That is posted in the other thread.

I am not sure how much of a table we can make...not many facts...and only the lies of Paulus and Joran to go on.

We don't have any times on Steve or GVC that I know of! Maybe one little thing in the old thread on Steve.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 28, 2008, 03:09:41 PM
Caps...I think the address for von Cromvoirts is 14 D Paradera...sorry I went from memory. I found it in a real estate listing late Dec or early Jan. Looks like a nice house.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 03:42:32 PM
Lala'sMom
Scared Monkey
Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???


My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.



 

Not my quote...I have seen that movie...it is disturbing...yes, that's the word...disturbing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 03:57:45 PM
MumInOhio

   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #729 2/11 -
« Reply #356 on: Today at 05:52:59 AM »
   
Lala's...here's the info on GVC and the tourist...maybe I should post in the Shango thread....I know you'll see it there....LOL

Prev. posted Feb.5th.

Here's the article about GVC...I just read at reihlworld that Nat's friends had seen her talking to GVC see bottom of page.

Interview With Cromvoirt Acquaintance
Though currently studying abroad, I was able to establish contact and do a brief phone interview with a young American girl acquainted with current detainee in the Natalee Holloway investigation, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.

She is still somewhat shaken by news of his arrest, particularly as it was June 9th, 2005, the night Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were arrested, when she met GVC at Carlos and Charlies. She was able to provide the day of the week, Thursday, which matches with the night of the three boys arrests. After speaking with her, I've no reason to doubt her veracity.

GVC was alone at Carlos and Charlies that night keeping mostly to himself. She could only remember him saying hello to one other person passing by that night in the club. After some initial eye contact, it was she who approached GVC. He immediately appeared to open up.

One item of possible interest, he told her that he worked during the day taking tourists out on a Catamaran. While I have no way of ascertaining it was the same catamaran, I do recall photos taken by the Mountain Brook students showing that they did take such a trip.

GVC struck her as something of a self promoter, constantly talking about himself, his many connections and his family's supposed wealth. She also recalled seeing images of some famous individuals he had stored in his cell phone, noting that GVC did not appear with those people in said pictures. Still, he insisted they were friends.

On another night, she may have been less receptive to the seemingly brash young man, but she found him attractive, she was on vacation and the two eventually danced. She indicated that there were no drugs involved, though both were drinking. At some point, GVC offered her a ride to her hotel and a male friend of the young woman went along.

GVC did apparently brag about being involved with security, trying to exert some pressure on a hotel guard to acknowledge who he was. The guard apparently failed to acknowledge him in any significant manner. She believes he was driving a jeep at the time, possibly blue and that he also mentioned a recent or pending purchase of a truck, color unknown.

Back at her hotel, it was decided that he would leave behind his ID and possibly some other wallet contents with her friends as security before the two went back out alone together. They spent approximately a half an hour or so together, primarily on the beach. The only potentially unusual thing she noticed during their time on the beach was that he might have been a bit nervous, looking about - at one point claiming he saw a security guard coming. She could not see a guard.

After some time on the beach his cell phone started ringing but he did not answer it. She believes it rang several times in succession, possibly as many as seven times. When she inquired about the calls, he stated that it was his Mother and that he had to get home. He kept reiterating, he had to go. She was puzzled at this as she believed him to be 19 years old at the time.

After a night of being extremely talkative, mostly about himself, she did eventually ask him in a casual way about the Natalee Holloway case. She feels very strongly that it was at that point his demeanor significantly changed. He almost completely stopped talking while the two were walking, swiftly now, back to her hotel.

She asked a few different questions ... if he knew of the case, of those involved, what was it that he thought. But he did not answer any of those questions, or change the topic. He mostly just stopped talking at all. They returned to her hotel, a friend brought down his things and that was the last she saw of him until his recent arrest. She felt he all but took off running, likely related to the phone calls, as he left.

Later after leaving the island, the interaction did leave her with a strange feeling, mostly because of his sudden silence when the topic of Natalee Holloway came up. Unsure if it meant anything, or not, eventually she did call the FBI. She gave them what information she could as regards the encounter, much of which I have now relayed here.

It remains unclear what, if any connection GVC has to the Holloway case. But at least one individual who spent some time with the boy soon after the disappearance was troubled enough about his demeanor simply talking about the case to make a call to the FBI.

I have agreed to keep her identity secret.


------------------------


According to what Holloway's friends have told authorities, the blond-haired, blue-eyed van Cromvoirt was seen with their classmate after she left van der Sloot - the pals say they saw them in the Holiday Inn casino together. But when the casino's video surveillance tapes were turned over to police, investigators could find no sign of Holloway and van Cromvoirt, the source noted.

Van Cromvoirt's father is the security expert in charge of video surveillance at the hotel.

Aruban authorities are also scrutinizing a surveillance tape taken earlier on May 30 that shows Holloway arguing with a light-haired young man in a jewelry store in the Wyndham Hotel, according to the source.





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Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 28, 2008, 03:59:31 PM
one more question:

Who help the Texas AquuSearch team when in Aruba. Either with food or lodging or with someting. who is this person or enterprise.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS


Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 


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Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 28, 2008, 04:15:27 PM
Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS


Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 

Here is a Key, If he was on the Tatto working, he could not be in C&C

If he was on the Tatto he could not be part to hear the tree fall unless he did not go to work that night.

If he was in C&C and was part of the game and saw what happend and then swith from perp to witness by singing a higher person that was also in the game.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 04:18:18 PM
Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS


Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 

Here is a Key, If he was on the Tatto working, he could not be in C&C

If he was on the Tatto he could not be part to hear the tree fall unless he did not go to work that night.

If he was in C&C and was part of the game and saw what happend and then swith from perp to witness by singing a higher person that was also in the game.



My point exactly!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 28, 2008, 04:56:47 PM
Let look at the process for the securing of a perp..

if some one commits a crime, the police gets and together with the investigator, go to the prosecuter who will give order for an arrest if they find sufficient proof of wrong doing. they will have 2 x 24 hr to bring you to the prosecuter office to see you face to face and where he will tell you about the case and will asked you right there if you like to add anything to what the have.

After seen the Prosecuter, the perp is walked back to the court house where he will meet with the Judge commissaries and he will then tell you about what the prosecuter have on you and based on the documentation he has read, There are sufficient grounds to hold you for 2 more day. In these 2 more days the investigators will seek more information to fill the case.

After the two more days, they will take you again to the Judge commissaries,where he will let you go or give you 2 more day to sit in the prison while they investigate.

on the 8 day they will send you a paper stating that based what they have, your time will be extended to 10 more day.
etc.

Now the only person that could couch them around the pool must be a Prosecuter or a Judge. We know that around the pool that Paules was not there. Then this leave me with either some other Judge that is in the public all the time or some one that rule form his hideaway. Most likely one that rule from the hideaway and that is Dirtyhand.

He is the one that need to build the case to bring it in front of the Judge Commissaries.

All this happend allways with a Judge Commissaries.

A Real Judge the perps will face on the day of the trail.

So the process goes like this

Perp --> investigator   (Here perp will hire a legal Counsel)

Investigator ---> prosecuter

Prosecuter <---> Judge Commissaries

Note: The Judge Commissaries acts on what the prosecutor present his rules are either Freedom or Extension of incarseration

Note after 10 days in cell, perp will be transported to KIA.

while in KIA, Investigators will investigate and report to Prosecuter

On the day of trail, The prosecuter present his case, Judge will listen and Lawyer to defend you.

at the end its either freedom or punishment.


So ,who was the prosecuter that presented the case or better yet, who was the persecutor that all of them faced on day 2 ? Name. I will bet is Duedecom.


CAPS
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 06:35:08 PM
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hmmmm not sure who this is......

 The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
page 29

Meanwhile, the search continued. We did what we could to cover the island, The Aruban government was doing some minimal searching, and Equusearch had the boats and dogs.  The Aruban police asked the  Equusearch team to send divers behind the van der Sloot home. Apparently, a body had been found in there many years earlier. We had a meeting with the press and Equusearch, and everyone agreed that only one reporter would be present during this search,but not everyone attended that meeting.  Some other members of the news media showed up during the search and were asked to leave, but they refused saying that it was their country and public property.  There was a heated confrontation and police were called in to rope off the area so the search could continue.  The seaarch dogs did not come up with a hit.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 06:36:20 PM
More from Bleachedblack:

The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise
page 157

     On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him mainly for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business leaders.  Taylor thanked me for the press interview I had given denouncing the boycott and advised me that it made his job easier.  He said he was hoping that I would be working with everyone rather than promoting a boycott. I gave him some of the information that I had brought with me, and he was numbed by it.  It involved tips that I had received on my Web site.

      Taylor is from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and he was the one who had told me of the prime minister"s attempt to have van der Stratten removed from Natalee's case.  Taylor also informed me that the reason Jossy Mansur had changed his position about having the FBI brought in was because the case had blown up in the press.

      Taylor went on to add that he was involved in the media decisions when Joran, Deepak and Satish were granted their freedom.  It was due to the members of the Strategic Communications Task Force that the media was invited and that their release had taken place during daylight hours to avoid suspicion.  I had to take that bit of information with a grain of salt.  The media may have been in Aruba for the suspects release, but I doubt that their contacts in the United States did not inform them that the number one story was Hurricane Katrina.

      Taylor asked if there was anything he could do to return the favor I did by speaking out against the boycott.  The following issue immediately came to mind.  Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch had contacted me regarding a proposed search of the landfill.  A previous attempt to search it had been made; however, there proper equipment was not available.  Tim offered to bring in his own equipment and team to Aruba to clear the area.  He indicated that the search would not disrupt the flow of refuse to the dump and that any displaced refuse would be returned to its original condition.  In other words, what they dug up would be reburied.  Also, he assured me that there would be no cost to Aruba for this effort.  Tim said he would need the necessary permits to unload a tractor-trailer and the digging equipment at the port in addition to a permit to enter the landfill and any other permits that would be necessary.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 06:37:41 PM
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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???

I believe they did stay at Brickle Bay. Of course we all know that is owned by Michael Posner. I will never forget when they searched the Moko and Arubans and Foreign press were throwing rocks at them and yelling obsentities. I was  also pretty angry when Dan Riehl  blasted TES back in July/Aug 2005 claiming they were drunking idiots.


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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???
# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

http://tinyurl.com/39fh7c


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 28, 2008, 06:39:55 PM
Thanks to all the monkeys!!!  You did good!!




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http://www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: JE on March 28, 2008, 08:52:06 PM
Anyone have any ideas what the third act maybe?

59.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
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This is mentioned in both simians and merians posts at a time DNA evidence is being examined or results of DNA investigation are comming in.

In Siminans post he is refering to (I believe) Dna results coming back from the hague (from the june 15th sloot house search.

In Merians post:

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Phidippides
The question is if there will be end to the journey? Her fate is no worse than the secret contained in Richard Drew marvel.

Third acts have no upside.

Also DNA results of the duct tape and the blond hairs (Richard Drew was a guy working for the 3M company and he invented adhesive tape)

Also: any ideas who the "her" as in "her fate is no worse than the secret .... etc" is? This is a weird statement as the DNA results could not have been known to anyone at that date.

From SM frontpage july 21:

For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, … it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

Third act suggests a play (could be Hamlet "something rotten in the state of Denmark" or maybe just a conviction?)

TIA



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 28, 2008, 09:58:14 PM
Anyone have any ideas what the third act maybe?

59.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The elder agreed to speak, but he he loves the boy too much. The knows the passages of the palace too well. So the Babylonians must make sure the check mate is iron-clad.
Something rotten from The Hague will have to make the third act play out.
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This is mentioned in both simians and merians posts at a time DNA evidence is being examined or results of DNA investigation are comming in.

In Siminans post he is refering to (I believe) Dna results coming back from the hague (from the june 15th sloot house search.

In Merians post:

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Phidippides
The question is if there will be end to the journey? Her fate is no worse than the secret contained in Richard Drew marvel.

Third acts have no upside.

Also DNA results of the duct tape and the blond hairs (Richard Drew was a guy working for the 3M company and he invented adhesive tape)

Also: any ideas who the "her" as in "her fate is no worse than the secret .... etc" is? This is a weird statement as the DNA results could not have been known to anyone at that date.

From SM frontpage july 21:

For the Duct tape and possibly other evidence to reach as fast as possible to the State Laboratory, … it was decided that the sealed evidence will be transported by the Head Prosecutor Mrs. Karin Jansen who boarded the flight to the Netherlands.

Third act suggests a play (could be Hamlet "something rotten in the state of Denmark" or maybe just a conviction?)

TIA



Mum had mentioned something about duct tape and a witness (as told in Juron's book).  I posted a reply on pg. 13 of the Lively.  Iwill repost but it might get screwed up.  This is from a June 20. 2005 post on the amigoe forum??? Same time frame.

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Rob...you reminded me of a post I made in the Shango thread yesterday. Do you recall anything about this? The protected witness, I mean?...TIA

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Find something new every time I read that book translation...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

P332

Also, an FBI "protected witness", an American called "Mr X", meets Deepak in July 2005 in the Internet café wehre Deepak works.

Deepak tells X: “I see what’s going on and I know much more. I’m certain that Natalee is no longer on the island.” He also says something that contradicts that: “When they find the duct-tape with Natalee’s hair on it, then I’ll go to jail", which is strange because they did find hair with duct tape but it wasn't Natalee's.
 
 



Mum

I don't remember seeing that, in the book.  I did save a post from an old amigoe.com/forum.  Now I wonder if the duct tape did have evidence that got put in a "hidey hole".   

Posted by Carlton June 20, 2005

Beste mensen,

Van betrouwbare bronnen heb ik begrepen dat er op die tape de volgende dingen te vinden waren:

3 blonde haren (volgens DNA van Holloway)
7 zwarte haren(sluik haar, 2 verschillende eigenaren, eogenaren onbekend)
2 blonde haren (onbekend)
6 spermacellen (vooralsnog onbekend)
restanten van wat "lichaamsvocht" zou zijn geweest (bevestigd Holloway)
1 fragment roest (waarschijnlijk van een anker)
1 stukje vis
1 onderlegger met de text: "Ca....s & .har...s"
wat zand

Op basis hiervan denkt de politie de verdwijning spoedig te kunnen oplossen.


Google translation:


Dear people,

From reliable sources, I understand that in this tape the following things to be found were:

3 blonde hair (according DNA of Holloway)
7 black hair (sluik hair, 2 different owners, eogenaren unknown)
2 blonde hair (unknown)
6 sperm (currently unknown)
Remnants of what "body fluid" would have been (confirmed Holloway)
1 fragment rust (probably an anchor)
1 piece of fish
1 onderlegger with the text: "Ca .... s &. Har ... s"
What sand

On this basis the police believe the disappearance soon to be resolved.

 

http://www.amigoe.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002050;p=29


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 28, 2008, 10:54:59 PM
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Blonde...I am not sure I want to watch it???


My point was, these girls drugged these boys and then they were brought to this place for toucher.
The girls thought is was fun.
For sick peoples pleasures to do with them as pleased.
one guy said "I paid good money for her.
I bet this goes on a lot.



 

There is a Hostel and and two.  They put me in mind of this case.  How about the dog tattoo.  Two is even more strange.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???
# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

http://tinyurl.com/39fh7c
  What I picked up he knows the passages of the Palace too well is:
PVS knows the law and his connections within the palace too well and the babylonians will have to make sure their case is air tight before they can try and win the case or on the other hand they will have to make sure the coverup is air tight or there might be a trial and a win from the opposers.  j/b


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Am I thinking housing at Brickle Bay???
# The Brickell Bay Beach Club - Aruba
# John W. Fisk Co. Insurance
# Underwriters: Great American Insurance Co.
# Texas de Brazil
# The Wyndham - Aruba Resort, Spa and Casino
# Eduardo y Elaiza Roubicek
# S E Aruba Fly and Dive
# Red Sail Sports Aruba
# Aruban Search and Rescue

http://tinyurl.com/39fh7c
  What I picked up he knows the passages of the Palace too well is:
PVS knows the law and his connections within the palace too well and the babylonians will have to make sure their case is air tight before they can try and win the case or on the other hand they will have to make sure the coverup is air tight or there might be a trial and a win from the opposers.  j/b

That Richard Drew Marvel statement probably she, as well as the evidence was switched.  Could they have switched girls and she was kept inside C & C until everyone was gone and they doubled back?  I believe those tending bar know EXACTLY what happened.  That was just a thought.  A wild one at that.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 29, 2008, 01:14:15 AM
Good day monkys,

Do any one of you have the PV's of SVG

Who is the person that testify he was with them that night?

I need the names or something.

If there is a testimonial than we have the key of the Alibi.

CAPS


Steve Croes was providing the alibi for the Kalpoes and Joran.  He volunteered himself at a time when the Holiday Inn story was no longer viable.  Of course, that made no sense...so they arrested Croes on June 17, the OM said it was because of something one of the three men had said about Croes or his whereabouts.  It was reported that Croes was at CnC that night.  He was supposed to be on the Tattoo guarding it according to his boss at the time. 

Steve Croes gave a statement on Jun 15 and by June 17 he was being interrogated. IN between those two dates several people were questioned including the Gottenbos, Freddy,Jaime, Joran's girlfriend and various other people associated with the hotels. It appears from what I can deduce that ALE was trying to decide id Croes was actually part of the crime or not. 

Picked this up for you.  Hope it helps: j/b

wondering22
07-24-2005, 03:31 PM
I have NO idea if the poster is for real, or if this is some kind of spoof or Internet hoax, but it seemed interesting to me. There is someone who claims to be in contact with Steve Croes grandmother, who says that Steve saw all four of them on the beach arguing.....

From Riehl World View:

Alec, as you can see now, I was telling truth about contact in Aruba. My contact had contacted Croes grandma (who he lives with), and I knew the story that Croes had told his grandma. If you are following the news....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1446077/replies?c=1


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 29, 2008, 05:39:50 PM
What happens in Act III (Resolution)?

Climax (Second Culmination)--The point at which the plot reaches its maximum tension and the forces in opposition confront each other at a peak of physical or emotional action.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 30, 2008, 10:45:19 AM
Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
thanks
Carlos Severino Tromp
Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
welcome to: www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com


 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::



http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2008, 11:26:42 AM
Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
thanks
Carlos Severino Tromp
Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
welcome to: www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com


 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::



http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Check the front page of SM, this person (Carlos Severino Tromp) has been recently posting the same stuff there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 12:46:08 PM
Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
thanks
Carlos Severino Tromp
Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
welcome to: www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com


 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::



http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Check the front page of SM, this person (Carlos Severino Tromp) has been recently posting the same stuff there.

Carlos Severino  also a victem of this prosecution of the PG in Aruba. I know him personaly and he went to live in German


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 30, 2008, 01:15:41 PM


Found this on Commissioner Trudy Hassel…Seems that she was around when van der Straten was out.

http://sxmprivateeye.com/node/11804

St. Maarten
Police Union Rejects Hassle’s Appointment - 21st September 2007
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03-11-2005, 09:30 AM      post #2 (permalink)    
charles  Posts: n/a    Re: Charles "allegro construction"  I do not have the slightest idea who will be doing the work. Be sure to have your papers in order if you want to work here. They are very strong on this issue and one of our leading figures, Mrs. Trudy Hassel recently resigned due to an issue surrounding control of illegal workers. Touchy topic.Charlesarubafastphones.com

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-allegro-construction-410/

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Tuesday, June 07, 2005
The Dutch Caribbean island's government on Monday asked most of the 4,000 public employees to meet at a sports stadium in the central community of Santa Cruz at 2 p.m. EDT to be briefed on "a systematic search," police commander Trudy Hassell said.
"We hope there will be thousands," Hassell said in the capital, Oranjestad. "This effort is a national effort. We feel with the family."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

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http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_25_archive.html
About the search
++++

Posted on: 03/10/2004
A most successful seminar Women & Work was hosted by ECA NV., at the Seaport Conference Center on March 8th, International Day of Women. Key-note speaker, Dr. Peggy Dolet, reiterated women can have it all, providing life & work integration is achieved. Additional local role models featured in the seminar included the Minister of Infrastructure Marisol Lopez Tromp, Banker Rina Solognier and Tax Consultant Evelyn Wever Croes. Police Commissioner Trudy Hassel, gave a powerful presentation, recounting her personal odyssey juggling a career with family life. She received a standing ovation from over 400 women in the room at the end of her heroic tale.

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/375/manageArticle.html
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Natalee Holloway Information | Scared Monkeys
We truly hope and pray that Natalee returns and the Aruban People believe she ...... Trudy Hassel the person in charged of dispensing the many volunteers to ...scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-information/ - 249k - Cached - Similar pages






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 30, 2008, 01:20:54 PM

Caps…found this on THE NEWS

« Reply #1566 on: January 30, 2008, 02:29:53 PM »
   
 Quote from: bleachedblack on January 30, 2008, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on January 30, 2008, 02:14:23 PM

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am
My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.
”Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!
++++
I seem to remember a few papers there running ads selling escort services, but can't say for sure which ones. Ms. Wever however is correct about ArubaToday, as there is no question in my mind what they are selling on page B14.
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3go to newspaper local and turn the pages. Sorry Klaas for the OT didn't realize i was in S+S thread





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 03:39:37 PM
Was reading around this morning and noticed arubagirl's website had two new postings after none since 2006.  This caught my eye:

Aruba Prime Minister nelson Orlando Oduber is the father, mother and the son of corruptions. PG Prosecutor Lugo Elivia LUGO LUGO is the monster of Aruba Justice AND SHE IS CORRUPT, PG Prosecutor Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra is corrupt she has DIRTY DIRTY HANDS Rudy Croes Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes is the most corrupt Minister of Justice that Aruba have seen in his Political history.
thanks
Carlos Severino Tromp
Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 02:48 PM
welcome to: www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com


 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyConfused::



http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Check the front page of SM, this person (Carlos Severino Tromp) has been recently posting the same stuff there.

Carlos Severino tromp his rights was violated by Lugo that had a special vendeta agains Carlos for defending his rights.
I met with him before he went to holand to present his case to the queen of the Netherland. He has tons of documents on the violation of his rights and was fighting Lugo till he could not more and desided to take his case to the queen himself. and went to live in Geermany.

On other subject: The Riddle now have number and they are 167 shango says post that need work.

The process has began and now we will have ref. to where some info comes from. also to which one need to be worked on.
This riddle is more like a book at the end.

No more confusions...I hope.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 30, 2008, 03:54:45 PM
Not sure if this is the right place to toss this out.......but I have been bothered by these
"rumors" again lately as I have been also bothered in the past. If the Persistence had found Natalee....I had hope this would be put to rest....but instead .............


+++++++++++++++++++
>>>SNIP
....
Hubert Tiel, Diario Newspaper:

He told Fox reporter:
We have been working on this case since the first day, since then have picked up every piece of material, so they can have everything to put together this story. Tonight again we are on the road cause the team is following some suspect cars that we need for this story. Looks like we are going to have a nice finish for this story asap. His sources say they have moved already from where they were and they want to know exactly where they are going.
She asks who do you think is moving Natalie and is he saying that he thinks she is alive?
He says yes, of course. We are going in a group of 2 ladies, 3 gentlemen. One gentlemen knows a person who knows how to deal with drugs (not from Aruba) maybe from Venezuela or Columbia. The plan was to drive Natalee to columbia, but the latest news we have right now is that because the plan has failed 3 times already, they may try to reach Columbia before Venezuela.
She asked what kind of condition he thinks she is in.
He says that the police have their investigation going on, the press does too. We are going to all steps we can, we have put together a group to follow a car that we think are involved in this. We are working on a tip. Have not notified her family, we are working with the police.
--------
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:

+++++++++

>>>SNIP

Below was -Posted by AkekoaHoAlethia

-----------------------------

Yes He did he say they are following someone right now, right this minute? a car, with two females and 3 males, one a known drug dealer from Colombia or Venezuela....
They had planned to take NH to Columbia but that didn't work so now the plan is to go to Venezula first.

I replayed it to get it right.

Hubert Tiel said, "very definitely" when asked if he thought NH was alive.
Hubert did not answer the question about NH's condition. He only said "VERY DEFINITELY ALIVE"

I inquired in an email to Diaro and never received a response on this.

Apparently FOX did not want to pursue this story either on air. We never heard another word from any FOX reports.

Perhaps the DIARIO didn't want to be exposed for this type of hype.

http://tinyurl.com/2ny92q
+++++++++


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 05:54:30 PM
Hi monkeys ,

A week before the murder of Natalee,

Where was Paules v/d sloot. I need the dates he flew to holland and the dates of arrival. and also his wife. Anita.

We know that the prime minister was in florida. but someone was in holland that arrage for a transport.

Need the dates ?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 30, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
Got this so far
In March 2004 Paul van der Sloot traveled to Holland for a year and when he returned to Aruba in March 2005 he did not receive the required recommendation to become a Judge.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 30, 2008, 06:29:43 PM
Anita arrived back June 1st.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm
PROCES VERBAAL

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.


To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands for seven or eight days.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 30, 2008, 06:51:09 PM

Caps…found this on THE NEWS

« Reply #1566 on: January 30, 2008, 02:29:53 PM »
   
 Quote from: bleachedblack on January 30, 2008, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Buckeye on January 30, 2008, 02:14:23 PM

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am
My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.
”Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!
++++
I seem to remember a few papers there running ads selling escort services, but can't say for sure which ones. Ms. Wever however is correct about ArubaToday, as there is no question in my mind what they are selling on page B14.
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3go to newspaper local and turn the pages. Sorry Klaas for the OT didn't realize i was in S+S thread





Isn't there a Margaret Wever who is almost in the top notch job of the Associated Press (AP?)  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 30, 2008, 06:52:44 PM
Hi monkeys ,

A week before the murder of Natalee,

Where was Paules v/d sloot. I need the dates he flew to holland and the dates of arrival. and also his wife. Anita.

We know that the prime minister was in florida. but someone was in holland that arrage for a transport.

Need the dates ?


Truthfully, we have never determined whether Paulus was gone or not.  If his kids were still attending school as some say...then Paulus was never off island.  However, if Anita had the two younger kids with her, then they just left Joran there by himself? At first, it was rumored that Joran picked up Paulus from the airport the night in question and went to gamble.  Other rumors have Paulus already home and going to the caisno.  In all the PV's we have there is not mention of Paulus being picked up at the airport I don't think....you might have to check on whether or not he actually arrived there on Aruba that afternoon or not.  Many of us have tried to find this out for almost 3 years now. Conflicting information and as of yet, no one knows what is what.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
Anita arrived back June 1st.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm
PROCES VERBAAL

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.


To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands for seven or eight days.

thank you very much

she went to arrange a deal but at her return she her self will not carry the package, the package never came and when it arrived it was drop near his house, but the party go-ers saw what was drop and must have taken it. The party goers knows they have seen.  on the night in question, the black team were searching for the package.

to be continue....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 30, 2008, 06:59:56 PM
Thanks Caps...

Geoffrey von Cromvoirt… Dad..retired cop from the Netherlands. They came to Aruba 1997. Lived at 14A Paradara…house was still for sale December 2007. They threatened to sue May 2007 after Geoffrey was detained in April 2007.

I read that both Geoffrey and his Dad were questioned early on.

From Sunfreak’s Aruban Who’s Who

Dad...
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
 
VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


VISIBILITY TEAM, the – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s recently…from Curacao…divorced and a small child. Lived with his grandparent’s, wife’s parents, I think. Aunt lived next door, married to retired cop Rufo Solognier.


Geoffrey was detained in: APRIL 2006.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 30, 2008, 07:00:41 PM
Buckeye
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1564 on: January 30, 2008, 02:14:23 PM »
   
Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am

My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.”
Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 30, 2008, 07:16:04 PM


 Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 08:35:14 PM


 Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL


ether Anita or Rudy Croes, made a deal with a mob in the Netherlands but he himself did not carry the package.
at the same time the young visibility team supposed to have made a deal with the Kalpoes  via the Surienan Mobs to send to to holland drugs back for the payment.

But the the young visibility team boy did not made any deal with the 2 shivas there was no deal made. but money was paid.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 08:47:40 PM
There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino


Guido Wever worked in the casino as a croupier.

From Aruban Who's Who:
WEVER, Guido– 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance after being questioned by ALE. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.  Drove a white Nissan Sentra.  Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6/3-05, 6-7-05, 6-8-05 & 6-23-05.
For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 30, 2008, 10:01:15 PM


 Oderber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL


ether Anita or Rudy Croes, made a deal with a mob in the Netherlands but he himself did not carry the package.
at the same time the young visibility team supposed to have made a deal with the Kalpoes  via the Surienan Mobs to send to to holland drugs back for the payment.

But the the young visibility team boy did not made any deal with the 2 shivas there was no deal made. but money was paid.







Then does DirtyHand hold the real "key-lo?" (kilo)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 30, 2008, 10:02:25 PM
hence the surveillance?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2008, 10:50:45 PM
Thanks Caps...

Geoffrey von Cromvoirt… Dad..retired cop from the Netherlands. They came to Aruba 1997. Lived at 14A Paradara…house was still for sale December 2007. They threatened to sue May 2007 after Geoffrey was detained in April 2007.

I read that both Geoffrey and his Dad were questioned early on.

From Sunfreak’s Aruban Who’s Who

Dad...
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
 
VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


VISIBILITY TEAM, the – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s recently…from Curacao…divorced and a small child. Lived with his grandparent’s, wife’s parents, I think. Aunt lived next door, married to retired cop Rufo Solognier.


Geoffrey was detained in: APRIL 2006.  j/b

It seems that GVC's father's name and address were combined in error at some time.  It is as Mum posted it in the Aruban Who's Who.  I noticed it when I looked the business up last night.  Here's what I found.


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 14 AUGUST 2001 under serial number 27951.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY 
 
Business address PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  VCB VIDEO CAMERA BEVEILIGINGSSYSTEMEN & CONSULTANCY 
Date of commencement  14 AUGUST 2001 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 18 OCTOBER 2004 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
SIMOONS, ROBERTO FREDERICK IDAGARD; 
Residing in  PAGAAISTRAAT 10, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 JULY 1978 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  14 AUGUST 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   
VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS; 
Residing in  PAPAYA 14-D, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, 'S-HERTOGENCOSCH on 29 JUNE 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  2 DECEMBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET BEVEILIGEN VAN BEDRIJVEN PARTICULIEREN.


Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 10:51:18 PM
There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino


Guido Wever worked in the casino as a croupier.

From Aruban Who's Who:
WEVER, Guido– 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance after being questioned by ALE. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.  Drove a white Nissan Sentra.  Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6/3-05, 6-7-05, 6-8-05 & 6-23-05.
For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families


ok we got the killer

The problem with guido Wever is that he was pull off to play at a private party game in the Brickel bay. He was the dealer at this private gambling game that was going down in the brickel bay.

Here is another findings MP had 2 drug buyer/killer hidden card also and when the deal went sour with the young visibility team, they went back to the brickel party, but at that time, Joran was going to use the hotel for a score. but their she discovert


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
all on the list MBOX Rev4


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 30, 2008, 11:21:01 PM
There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino


Guido Wever worked in the casino as a croupier.

From Aruban Who's Who:
WEVER, Guido– 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance after being questioned by ALE. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.  Drove a white Nissan Sentra.  Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6/3-05, 6-7-05, 6-8-05 & 6-23-05.
For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families


ok we got the killer

The problem with guido Wever is that he was pull off to play at a private party game in the Brickel bay. He was the dealer at this private gambling game that was going down in the brickel bay.

Here is another findings MP had 2 drug buyer/killer hidden card also and when the deal went sour with the young visibility team, they went back to the brickel party, but at that time, Joran was going to use the hotel for a score. but their she discovert


Are you just sending certain people information?  I want to know what you have, if you can.  I agree that Guido is one killer.  Where does GVC fit in in your work?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 30, 2008, 11:25:19 PM
check with klassend:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 30, 2008, 11:25:25 PM
There was a party in the Brickel that night..

Who is the dice trower Name in the casino


Guido Wever worked in the casino as a croupier.

From Aruban Who's Who:
WEVER, Guido– 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL.  Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino.  Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance after being questioned by ALE. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba.  Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery.  Drove a white Nissan Sentra.  Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6/3-05, 6-7-05, 6-8-05 & 6-23-05.
For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families


ok we got the killer

The problem with guido Wever is that he was pull off to play at a private party game in the Brickel bay. He was the dealer at this private gambling game that was going down in the brickel bay.

Here is another findings MP had 2 drug buyer/killer hidden card also and when the deal went sour with the young visibility team, they went back to the brickel party, but at that time, Joran was going to use the hotel for a score. but their she discovert


Are you just sending certain people information?  I want to know what you have, if you can.  I agree that Guido is one killer.  Where does GVC fit in in your work?

One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on March 30, 2008, 11:27:25 PM
Texasmom - thanks I've fixed the name in the Aruban Who's Who

Caps - I'm a little slow today, not feeling great.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 30, 2008, 11:39:02 PM
Texasmom - thanks I've fixed the name in the Aruban Who's Who

Caps - I'm a little slow today, not feeling great.

Klaas, I am sorry you do not feel well.  Take care.  When you have time please mail me, if you can what CAPS sent.  You have my e-mail.  He is a smart dude.  I wanna see what he has to say.  Also CAPS:  thanks for all you do and have done.  Hope to get to know you better.   Sounds like you have been working.    Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 30, 2008, 11:46:08 PM
Texasmom - thanks I've fixed the name in the Aruban Who's Who

Caps - I'm a little slow today, not feeling great.

Thanks Klaas!   and I hope you feel better soon!  :smt056


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 04:22:38 AM
Thanks Buckeye for posting this…What is really interesting is the date of the post. This was early on in the case. I am assuming the text on the onderlegger is Carlos & Charleys…wonder if that is a matchbook, maybe. Still interested in a protected witness….really interested…

Quote Buckeye:
I don't remember seeing that, in the book.  I did save a post from an old amigoe.com/forum.  Now I wonder if the duct tape did have evidence that got put in a "hidey hole".   

Posted by Carlton June 20, 2005

Beste mensen,

Van betrouwbare bronnen heb ik begrepen dat er op die tape de volgende dingen te vinden waren:

3 blonde haren (volgens DNA van Holloway)
7 zwarte haren(sluik haar, 2 verschillende eigenaren, eogenaren onbekend)
2 blonde haren (onbekend)
6 spermacellen (vooralsnog onbekend)
restanten van wat "lichaamsvocht" zou zijn geweest (bevestigd Holloway)
1 fragment roest (waarschijnlijk van een anker)
1 stukje vis
1 onderlegger met de text: "Ca....s & .har...s"
wat zand

Op basis hiervan denkt de politie de verdwijning spoedig te kunnen oplossen.


Google translation:

Dear people,

From reliable sources, I understand that in this tape the following things to be found were:

3 blonde hair (according DNA of Holloway)
7 black hair (sluik hair, 2 different owners, eogenaren unknown)
2 blonde hair (unknown)
6 sperm (currently unknown)
Remnants of what "body fluid" would have been (confirmed Holloway)
1 fragment rust (probably an anchor)
1 piece of fish
1 onderlegger with the text: "Ca .... s &. Har ... s"
What sand

On this basis the police believe the disappearance soon to be resolved.

 

http://www.amigoe.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002050;p=29



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 04:29:46 AM
What happens in Act III (Resolution)?

Climax (Second Culmination)--The point at which the plot reaches its maximum tension and the forces in opposition confront each other at a peak of physical or emotional action.




A couple I picked up on this….though BB’s is a little more profound…

The Third Act: Writing a Great Ending to Your Screenplay - Google Books Result
by Drew Yanno - 2006 - Performing Arts - 176 pagesThis screenwriting instructional book offers a structure for the writer to follow when writing the last act of their script.books.google.com/books?isbn=0826418783...



http://www.scene-stealers.com/print-reviews/i-am-legend-stumbles-in-third-act/


The third act is where “I Am Legend” finally, fatally trips itself up. A couple of key revelations seem like they are leading somewhere and suddenly, the film is over.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 04:40:20 AM
hence the surveillance?


COLUMBO...I believe that what was caught on tape was from surveillance...FOP/DEA....and it could not be used as per the agreement between the 2 countries. It could only be used in drug cases.

Did you see the link to St Maarten in my post about Trudy Hassel, back on the last page?  These Aruban Police Commissioners sure do get around!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 04:54:19 AM

Caps…bringing this forward. This post says that she had to resign, post dated 3-11-2005. IIRC, work permits come under Rudy Croes department. Also apparently Rudy appointed all these Police Commissioners…will have to find that from Getagrip. My question is, what did she resign from in March and how was she a Police Commissioner in June? Any info would be appreciated.  TIA


03-11-2005, 09:30 AM      post #2 (permalink)     
charles  Posts: n/a    Re: Charles "allegro construction"  I do not have the slightest idea who will be doing the work. Be sure to have your papers in order if you want to work here. They are very strong on this issue and one of our leading figures, Mrs. Trudy Hassel recently resigned due to an issue surrounding control of illegal workers. Touchy topic.Charlesarubafastphones.com

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/charles-allegro-construction-410/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 31, 2008, 07:09:03 AM
hence the surveillance?


COLUMBO...I believe that what was caught on tape was from surveillance...FOP/DEA....and it could not be used as per the agreement between the 2 countries. It could only be used in drug cases.

Did you see the link to St Maarten in my post about Trudy Hassel, back on the last page?  These Aruban Police Commissioners sure do get around!


"The eyes of God look from afar with great acuity" (acuity=keeness of hearing, sight, intellect)

excerpt:
"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


didn't see the referenced St Maarten.....will check back.....



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 09:49:12 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 09:58:44 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public






Morning Caps...I think I have an interview clip of one of the MB'ers, but could not say if that was the first we heard of it.  Will see if I can find it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 10:24:18 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public

I heard this from Beth on Fox News


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 10:25:59 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public






Morning Caps...I think I have an interview clip of one of the MB'ers, but could not say if that was the first we heard of it.  Will see if I can find it.
Morning, Well Have progress a lot. the answer of the question above are important. the key it will produce will open the door too almost the end of the riddle.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 10:27:48 AM
jackb
Quote
One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b

Gee jackb see how it is about sharing information? On March 21st I asked you about a statement you made about M vd Berg and you replied something to the effect that you had done research and weren't apparently ready to share some info/photos that you had studied and resized. Well I just wanted to remind you about that...............

++++++++

jackb wrote;
His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.

bleachedblack wrote;
jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

 jackb wrote;
I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 10:29:44 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public






Morning Caps...I think I have an interview clip of one of the MB'ers, but could not say if that was the first we heard of it.  Will see if I can find it.
Morning, Well Have progress a lot. the answer of the question above are important. the key it will produce will open the door too almost the end of the riddle.

CAPS

I believe the answer to your question is Beth Twitty first mentioned the fact. She was trying to make clear certain points regarding Natalee's character.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 10:31:30 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public

I heard this from Beth on Fox News



Morning Blonde...I think the date would be hard to track down. I found it was on the blogs June 2005, and Beth has stated it in magazine articles. Unless someone can remember the date it would be very time consuming to find.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 10:36:14 AM


Question?

Who said first that Natalee was a virgin? Who brought that peace of info and how it came about? and who made it public






Morning Caps...I think I have an interview clip of one of the MB'ers, but could not say if that was the first we heard of it.  Will see if I can find it.
Morning, Well Have progress a lot. the answer of the question above are important. the key it will produce will open the door too almost the end of the riddle.

CAPS

I believe the answer to your question is Beth Twitty first mentioned the fact. She was trying to make clear certain points regarding Natalee's character.

I think so too.  Only other one may have been arbeej, but I'm not sure. I'm scanning Alana's posts now, but I am pretty sure it was Beth.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 10:39:14 AM
I found this from Alana: We would have to check MSM to see if it was brought up before, and I'm pretty sure it was...

Jun 15, 2005 2:45 pm:    Just so you know, Nat did not willingly have sex with anyone... we had talked about it before, we planned to be virgins until we get married. Don't judge her, she didn't do anything wrong. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 10:43:21 AM
In Aruba, some one has run wild with that story, who is that person or a news organistation,

Now lets examine this virgin statement. If it is a lie that mary was a virgina and that lie has been found who is to loose in this game

there will be two looser, one is beth and the wone that play with that peace of information



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 10:48:51 AM
I found this from Alana: We would have to check MSM to see if it was brought up before, and I'm pretty sure it was...

Jun 15, 2005 2:45 pm:    Just so you know, Nat did not willingly have sex with anyone... we had talked about it before, we planned to be virgins until we get married. Don't judge her, she didn't do anything wrong. 

it must be a nes media that dramatized this issue that she was a virgin..

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 31, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
In Aruba, some one has run wild with that story, who is that person or a news organistation,

Now lets examine this virgin statement. If it is a lie that mary was a virgina and that lie has been found who is to loose in this game

there will be two looser, one is beth and the wone that play with that peace of information



Most every news agency on the planet ran with that story at first.  If you are looking for info from Aruba, then that could be only a few people.  Everyone that was on the news made mention of the virgin fact in the beginning.  I am not sure we can link that story to just one person.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 31, 2008, 11:00:45 AM
I found this from Alana: We would have to check MSM to see if it was brought up before, and I'm pretty sure it was...

Jun 15, 2005 2:45 pm:    Just so you know, Nat did not willingly have sex with anyone... we had talked about it before, we planned to be virgins until we get married. Don't judge her, she didn't do anything wrong. 

it must be a nes media that dramatized this issue that she was a virgin..

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

 

I do not recall Julia as having been on that story any more than any other group.  She spent most of her time arguing about Paulus and his judgeship or lack there of....when we could understand what she was saying and that wasn't too often.   LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 11:05:41 AM
I found this from Alana: We would have to check MSM to see if it was brought up before, and I'm pretty sure it was...

Jun 15, 2005 2:45 pm:    Just so you know, Nat did not willingly have sex with anyone... we had talked about it before, we planned to be virgins until we get married. Don't judge her, she didn't do anything wrong. 

it must be a nes media that dramatized this issue that she was a virgin..

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

 

I do not recall Julia as having been on that story any more than any other group.  She spent most of her time arguing about Paulus and his judgeship or lack there of....when we could understand what she was saying and that wasn't too often.   LOL


Morning Lala's...I'm checking Nancy Grace transcripts...but a lot of the early stuff has gone from Fox and I'm not sure about Rita.  I was hoping Julia would be on there or some-one...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:05:47 AM
I found this from Alana: We would have to check MSM to see if it was brought up before, and I'm pretty sure it was...

Jun 15, 2005 2:45 pm:    Just so you know, Nat did not willingly have sex with anyone... we had talked about it before, we planned to be virgins until we get married. Don't judge her, she didn't do anything wrong. 

it must be a nes media that dramatized this issue that she was a virgin..

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

 

I do not recall Julia as having been on that story any more than any other group.  She spent most of her time arguing about Paulus and his judgeship or lack there of....when we could understand what she was saying and that wasn't too often.   LOL

Well lets look at the Association of news agency.


The News agency is associated with FOX?

The News english news paper

The News , who work there?

Is the News related to MP?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:31:04 AM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie


I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 11:59:39 AM
Thanks Buckeye for posting this…What is really interesting is the date of the post. This was early on in the case. I am assuming the text on the onderlegger is Carlos & Charleys…wonder if that is a matchbook, maybe. Still interested in a protected witness….really interested…

Quote Buckeye:
I don't remember seeing that, in the book.  I did save a post from an old amigoe.com/forum.  Now I wonder if the duct tape did have evidence that got put in a "hidey hole".   

Posted by Carlton June 20, 2005

Beste mensen,

Van betrouwbare bronnen heb ik begrepen dat er op die tape de volgende dingen te vinden waren:

3 blonde haren (volgens DNA van Holloway)
7 zwarte haren(sluik haar, 2 verschillende eigenaren, eogenaren onbekend)
2 blonde haren (onbekend)
6 spermacellen (vooralsnog onbekend)
restanten van wat "lichaamsvocht" zou zijn geweest (bevestigd Holloway)
1 fragment roest (waarschijnlijk van een anker)
1 stukje vis
1 onderlegger met de text: "Ca....s & .har...s"
wat zand

Op basis hiervan denkt de politie de verdwijning spoedig te kunnen oplossen.


Google translation:

Dear people,

From reliable sources, I understand that in this tape the following things to be found were:

3 blonde hair (according DNA of Holloway)
7 black hair (sluik hair, 2 different owners, eogenaren unknown)
2 blonde hair (unknown)
6 sperm (currently unknown)
Remnants of what "body fluid" would have been (confirmed Holloway)
1 fragment rust (probably an anchor)
1 piece of fish
1 onderlegger with the text: "Ca .... s &. Har ... s"
What sand

On this basis the police believe the disappearance soon to be resolved.

 

http://www.amigoe.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002050;p=29



Wonder if that is sports tape instead of duct tape.  They use this tape on sports equipment and some types on tennis racquets, even shoes, hands, etc.  It would be around where people play sports.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 12:02:44 PM
Forget the beth lie
it has been soved and it all done...

I need now the owners of The News



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 12:08:32 PM
jackb
Quote
One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b

Gee jackb see how it is about sharing information? On March 21st I asked you about a statement you made about M vd Berg and you replied something to the effect that you had done research and weren't apparently ready to share some info/photos that you had studied and resized. Well I just wanted to remind you about that...............

++++++++

jackb wrote;
His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.

bleachedblack wrote;
jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

 jackb wrote;
I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.




Thank you Bleached Black for bringing this to the surface.  This is why I no longer post in the Forum.  There is a closed loop, and for those who cross the amorphous lines there are harsh corrections.  I made the egregious error of citing the research of a prolific genealogist who unbeknownst to me happened to be a former Forum poster, who's identity was only known by a few within the loop.  The rest of the Forum posters wouldn't have even known this connection until I was chastised like a six year old, by several within the loop.  If information is voluntarily given on a public website or public forum by an individual, then everyone in a Forum should be able to openly discuss that person's information.  If those with special agendas or special information want information or opinions discussed with only a select few, then they should use private email exclusively, and not flip back and forth into a forum with shreds of information.  CAPS LOCK, Simian, Shango, Finbar, and others have openly provided information to the entire Forum in an attempt to be helpful to a cause that all of us share.  A certain genealogist openly published research on numerous genealogy websites with a name and contact information attached.  Many people at this forum have helped in providing information and research for CAPS LOCKS and in deciphering cryptic messages from others. Why are the conclusions now suddenly only available to a few?  There is a closed loop and this is wrong.  Don't even bring information to a Forum if it can't be discussed by everyone taking part in the Forum.  If others in a Forum are to be excluded from cetain information, then take all of that information to a private Forum from the very beginning.  An Internet Forum is a place for holding open discussions based on facts and opinions.  If you don't want information discussed, then don't post it on a Forum or the Internet, and most of all don't suddenly withhold information from other participants of a Forum.  If the information is that sensitive it should have been given directly to the FBI or Holloway family in the first place, and it doesn't even belong on a Forum for discussion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 12:19:40 PM
I found this from Alana: We would have to check MSM to see if it was brought up before, and I'm pretty sure it was...

Jun 15, 2005 2:45 pm:    Just so you know, Nat did not willingly have sex with anyone... we had talked about it before, we planned to be virgins until we get married. Don't judge her, she didn't do anything wrong. 

it must be a nes media that dramatized this issue that she was a virgin..

Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

 

I do not recall Julia as having been on that story any more than any other group.  She spent most of her time arguing about Paulus and his judgeship or lack there of....when we could understand what she was saying and that wasn't too often.   LOL

Well lets look at the Association of news agency.


The News agency is associated with FOX?

The News english news paper

The News , who work there?

Is the News related to MP?

  There is a Margaret Weaver (if the spelling is correct) that works (ed)? for the Associated Press.  Wonder if there is a Guido connection, if so.  May be a different set.  Someone might know.  I do not have any more time for research.  They the parents of Guido (mom) sure got the "gay" thing going for Guido.  If they
somehow think that will clear him, they are wrong as some of these guys hate women and would abuse them given a chance.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 12:33:08 PM
jackb
Quote
One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b

WHO DIED AND LEFT YOU POST POLICE BOSS?   jack b

Gee jackb see how it is about sharing information? On March 21st I asked you about a statement you made about M vd Berg and you replied something to the effect that you had done research and weren't apparently ready to share some info/photos that you had studied and resized. Well I just wanted to remind you about that...............

++++++++

jackb wrote;
His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.

bleachedblack wrote;
jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

 jackb wrote;
I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.




Thank you Bleached Black for bringing this to the surface.  This is why I no longer post in the Forum.  There is a closed loop, and for those who cross the amorphous lines there are harsh corrections.  I made the egregious error of citing the research of a prolific genealogist who unbeknownst to me happened to be a former Forum poster, who's identity was only known by a few within the loop.  The rest of the Forum posters wouldn't have even known this connection until I was chastised like a six year old, by several within the loop.  If information is voluntarily given on a public website or public forum by an individual, then everyone in a Forum should be able to openly discuss that person's information.  If those with special agendas or special information want information or opinions discussed with only a select few, then they should use private email exclusively, and not flip back and forth into a forum with shreds of information.  CAPS LOCK, Simian, Shango, Finbar, and others have openly provided information to the entire Forum in an attempt to be helpful to a cause that all of us share.  A certain genealogist openly published research on numerous genealogy websites with a name and contact information attached.  Many people at this forum have helped in providing information and research for CAPS LOCKS and in deciphering cryptic messages from others. Why are the conclusions now suddenly only available to a few?  There is a closed loop and this is wrong.  Don't even bring information to a Forum if it can't be discussed by everyone taking part in the Forum.  If others in a Forum are to be excluded from cetain information, then take all of that information to a private Forum from the very beginning.  An Internet Forum is a place for holding open discussions based on facts and opinions.  If you don't want information discussed, then don't post it on a Forum or the Internet, and most of all don't suddenly withhold information from other participants of a Forum.  If the information is that sensitive it should have been given directly to the FBI or Holloway family in the first place, and it doesn't even belong on a Forum for discussion.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 12:35:23 PM
jackb
Quote
One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b

WHO DIED AND LEFT YOU POST POLICE BOSS?   jack b

Gee jackb see how it is about sharing information? On March 21st I asked you about a statement you made about M vd Berg and you replied something to the effect that you had done research and weren't apparently ready to share some info/photos that you had studied and resized. Well I just wanted to remind you about that...............

++++++++

jackb wrote;
His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.

bleachedblack wrote;
jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

 jackb wrote;
I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.




Thank you Bleached Black for bringing this to the surface.  This is why I no longer post in the Forum.  There is a closed loop, and for those who cross the amorphous lines there are harsh corrections.  I made the egregious error of citing the research of a prolific genealogist who unbeknownst to me happened to be a former Forum poster, who's identity was only known by a few within the loop.  The rest of the Forum posters wouldn't have even known this connection until I was chastised like a six year old, by several within the loop.  If information is voluntarily given on a public website or public forum by an individual, then everyone in a Forum should be able to openly discuss that person's information.  If those with special agendas or special information want information or opinions discussed with only a select few, then they should use private email exclusively, and not flip back and forth into a forum with shreds of information.  CAPS LOCK, Simian, Shango, Finbar, and others have openly provided information to the entire Forum in an attempt to be helpful to a cause that all of us share.  A certain genealogist openly published research on numerous genealogy websites with a name and contact information attached.  Many people at this forum have helped in providing information and research for CAPS LOCKS and in deciphering cryptic messages from others. Why are the conclusions now suddenly only available to a few?  There is a closed loop and this is wrong.  Don't even bring information to a Forum if it can't be discussed by everyone taking part in the Forum.  If others in a Forum are to be excluded from cetain information, then take all of that information to a private Forum from the very beginning.  An Internet Forum is a place for holding open discussions based on facts and opinions.  If you don't want information discussed, then don't post it on a Forum or the Internet, and most of all don't suddenly withhold information from other participants of a Forum.  If the information is that sensitive it should have been given directly to the FBI or Holloway family in the first place, and it doesn't even belong on a Forum for discussion.




AS I SAID:  Who died and left you post police boss?  from Jack b.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
jackb
Quote
One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b

WHO DIED AND LEFT YOU POST POLICE BOSS?   jack b

Gee jackb see how it is about sharing information? On March 21st I asked you about a statement you made about M vd Berg and you replied something to the effect that you had done research and weren't apparently ready to share some info/photos that you had studied and resized. Well I just wanted to remind you about that...............

++++++++

jackb wrote;
His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.

bleachedblack wrote;
jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

 jackb wrote;
I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.




Thank you Bleached Black for bringing this to the surface.  This is why I no longer post in the Forum.  There is a closed loop, and for those who cross the amorphous lines there are harsh corrections.  I made the egregious error of citing the research of a prolific genealogist who unbeknownst to me happened to be a former Forum poster, who's identity was only known by a few within the loop.  The rest of the Forum posters wouldn't have even known this connection until I was chastised like a six year old, by several within the loop.  If information is voluntarily given on a public website or public forum by an individual, then everyone in a Forum should be able to openly discuss that person's information.  If those with special agendas or special information want information or opinions discussed with only a select few, then they should use private email exclusively, and not flip back and forth into a forum with shreds of information.  CAPS LOCK, Simian, Shango, Finbar, and others have openly provided information to the entire Forum in an attempt to be helpful to a cause that all of us share.  A certain genealogist openly published research on numerous genealogy websites with a name and contact information attached.  Many people at this forum have helped in providing information and research for CAPS LOCKS and in deciphering cryptic messages from others. Why are the conclusions now suddenly only available to a few?  There is a closed loop and this is wrong.  Don't even bring information to a Forum if it can't be discussed by everyone taking part in the Forum.  If others in a Forum are to be excluded from cetain information, then take all of that information to a private Forum from the very beginning.  An Internet Forum is a place for holding open discussions based on facts and opinions.  If you don't want information discussed, then don't post it on a Forum or the Internet, and most of all don't suddenly withhold information from other participants of a Forum.  If the information is that sensitive it should have been given directly to the FBI or Holloway family in the first place, and it doesn't even belong on a Forum for discussion.


I must be pretty important for you to save my posts.  I have stuff that would make your toes curl.  Sometimes in the interest of the family, it is best not to post everything.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 31, 2008, 12:41:52 PM
Thank you Bleached Black for bringing this to the surface.  This is why I no longer post in the Forum.  There is a closed loop, and for those who cross the amorphous lines there are harsh corrections.  I made the egregious error of citing the research of a prolific genealogist who unbeknownst to me happened to be a former Forum poster, who's identity was only known by a few within the loop.  The rest of the Forum posters wouldn't have even known this connection until I was chastised like a six year old, by several within the loop.  If information is voluntarily given on a public website or public forum by an individual, then everyone in a Forum should be able to openly discuss that person's information.  If those with special agendas or special information want information or opinions discussed with only a select few, then they should use private email exclusively, and not flip back and forth into a forum with shreds of information.  CAPS LOCK, Simian, Shango, Finbar, and others have openly provided information to the entire Forum in an attempt to be helpful to a cause that all of us share.  A certain genealogist openly published research on numerous genealogy websites with a name and contact information attached.  Many people at this forum have helped in providing information and research for CAPS LOCKS and in deciphering cryptic messages from others. Why are the conclusions now suddenly only available to a few?  There is a closed loop and this is wrong.  Don't even bring information to a Forum if it can't be discussed by everyone taking part in the Forum.  If others in a Forum are to be excluded from cetain information, then take all of that information to a private Forum from the very beginning.  An Internet Forum is a place for holding open discussions based on facts and opinions.  If you don't want information discussed, then don't post it on a Forum or the Internet, and most of all don't suddenly withhold information from other participants of a Forum.  If the information is that sensitive it should have been given directly to the FBI or Holloway family in the first place, and it doesn't even belong on a Forum for discussion.

 :cool:

:smt058



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 31, 2008, 12:43:19 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 12:45:31 PM
To all that believe that the FBI did notting and believe that they have the resource to work on this.

Shango start posting in June 2005 and in June 2008 it will 3 years and that was a lot of time to solve this.

How do I came here is that I wrote a logic report bases on the information that I have that prove where they could have drop the body. I did not know that this Shango or
Simian existed.

Only this I ask was in the front page of SM in December 2007 was the email of David or Beth to sent them my report.

And that how I got here after Klaasend read the report. I took a look at the Simian and could read it. I could see patterns in it. and so I came about to interpret this simian post. Shango was more complex and after my 4 week of separating the layers , the patterns were about the Ritz and Merge with the Natalee case.

The some key were easy but some key's were complex.

and so I took it upon me to solve this with the help of some that can provide or lookup the information.

and so today we are almost done. The three mayor keys are solved and now there is a mayor key only left and that is the News.

in time all will be public...but in the right form and ethics.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 31, 2008, 12:46:05 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 12:50:54 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 31, 2008, 12:51:50 PM
jackb
Quote
One of the Kalpoes mentioned seeing a vis. team car or some ALE car and turned off to keep from passing because of "seatbealt."  I believe that GVC kid came on the scene later, perhaps in that car.  He was around.  I believe the whole thing was set up, perhaps Guido got jealous of NH.  I hope you can send me some information, or post it on the Simian blog so we can all have access to it.   You sound like you are "in the know" on this information. I feel pretty confident in that at this time.   jack b

Gee jackb see how it is about sharing information? On March 21st I asked you about a statement you made about M vd Berg and you replied something to the effect that you had done research and weren't apparently ready to share some info/photos that you had studied and resized. Well I just wanted to remind you about that...............

++++++++

jackb wrote;
His connection may be that he uses and maybe sells this videotaped stuff.  He was in Aruba for awhile.  He may still be connected there (or was.)  They have a market from these dirty old men who live in Thailand.  (note: JM Carr.)  Old martin had what appeared to be statues, at first of BTK killer, J. Gacy, Dahmer, and the likes in this room.  There were sever pictures of a "room" of his on there, but after I got the "doll and dollhouse" that particular room pic got taken down.  I have all this, however.  The statues were pictures of them and books on a shelf.  I really have done some work.  I have made my rounds on this, for sure.   Thanks.

bleachedblack wrote;
jackb hope you don't mind a few questions. How do you know Marten was definitely in Aruba? I have been aware of him and the speculative connections to this case from the beginning.....but sorry never heard of any statues, where did this information come from? I would appreciate it if you would please share some of your homework.

 jackb wrote;
I do share it in the right time to whom I can.  Also the organized clubs in aruba will give you information about who belonged to what and what years.  Some in the 2005 era have been taken down, but there are others who have incomings of officers that precede the 2005 year and outgoing, etc.  Sort of like a chamber of commerce brag book.  It is best left said that some things people need to find and use if they can to support or not support where they are going.  If I put all that I have found and connected on this blog, no one else would have a chance to write or be heard and I would be backtracking in my work that I am doing.  I would also surmise that no one is going to go much past their own theories as it would just confuse.  I do stir the pot once in awhile, but for someone such as myself who would take tiny tiny pics off beer bottles in pics and enhance them to clear large pictures, I believe the tediousness of what I am doing would bore you to tears.  Jack b.




Thank you Bleached Black for bringing this to the surface.  This is why I no longer post in the Forum.  There is a closed loop, and for those who cross the amorphous lines there are harsh corrections.  I made the egregious error of citing the research of a prolific genealogist who unbeknownst to me happened to be a former Forum poster, who's identity was only known by a few within the loop.  The rest of the Forum posters wouldn't have even known this connection until I was chastised like a six year old, by several within the loop.  If information is voluntarily given on a public website or public forum by an individual, then everyone in a Forum should be able to openly discuss that person's information.  If those with special agendas or special information want information or opinions discussed with only a select few, then they should use private email exclusively, and not flip back and forth into a forum with shreds of information.  CAPS LOCK, Simian, Shango, Finbar, and others have openly provided information to the entire Forum in an attempt to be helpful to a cause that all of us share.  A certain genealogist openly published research on numerous genealogy websites with a name and contact information attached.  Many people at this forum have helped in providing information and research for CAPS LOCKS and in deciphering cryptic messages from others. Why are the conclusions now suddenly only available to a few?  There is a closed loop and this is wrong.  Don't even bring information to a Forum if it can't be discussed by everyone taking part in the Forum.  If others in a Forum are to be excluded from cetain information, then take all of that information to a private Forum from the very beginning.  An Internet Forum is a place for holding open discussions based on facts and opinions.  If you don't want information discussed, then don't post it on a Forum or the Internet, and most of all don't suddenly withhold information from other participants of a Forum.  If the information is that sensitive it should have been given directly to the FBI or Holloway family in the first place, and it doesn't even belong on a Forum for discussion.


Unfortunately, this is how it is on every forum I have ever been on...but sometimes things just can not be said on an open forum that gets said and then we have all manner of problems.  I don't think Caps has come to any conclusions as of yet...I feel sure he will share with us when he can...he doesn't tell me everything either, just in case anyone thinks that.  I am fairly sure this is the Shango forum which would allow some leeway into the area of crypticism since that is how most of his riddles are written.  I offer everyone a dose of patience with Caps, once again. He may or may not have anything. Let's let him work it out his way.  In the meantime, there is nothing that keeps us from discussing that dreaded subject further...the 5th suspect.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on March 31, 2008, 12:58:06 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation


Julia Renfro is the editor of what is it? Aruba Today or Bon Dia?  That is not a news paper...it's just a tabloid, IMO.  Don't know about any relationship to the Brickel Bay hotel.

Angela Munzenhoffer (sp) is also employed or owns part of that same group of tabloids.  Don't have a clue about the Brickel Bay connections there...then again there is Tito Lacle and probably a few others.  I am certain this is not new info and has been discussed in the past 2 years on the forum but how to find it is something I can't help with.
 Your only other choice would be Jossy Mansur and Diario.  Then there is the Amigo or whatever it's called.  Now, if you are talking about FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.  I doubt I could find any connections to MP with them...but you never know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 01:03:24 PM
Let me claryfy, "The News" news paper is own by some-one. must have a structure...

CEO, managers, workers etc. 

The big fish in this organisation would be who that has an interest in this case and was also at the Gambling table the night in question.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 31, 2008, 01:03:41 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 31, 2008, 01:08:04 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation

I, too, cannot say if the News, whether a paper or otherwise has a relationship with Brickel Bay.  It would be no surprise if there is/was a relationship....I'm sure you've already seen this below. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Trade name
Branch Dossier#
Establishment
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
HOTELS  27525/000
 
BRICKEL BAY HOLDING
HOLDING AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES  34297/000
 
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
ADMINISTRATORS OF REAL ESTATE  27472/000
 
BRICKELL FINANCE AND TRADE CORPORATION *
A.V.V.S  13240/000


All linked to Walter & Michael Posner, with the last being stricken from the record July, 2005, which to me is very strange. 
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 01:15:38 PM
Let me claryfy, "The News" news paper is own by some-one. must have a structure...

CEO, managers, workers etc. 

The big fish in this organisation would be who that has an interest in this case and was also at the Gambling table the night in question.


Chamaly????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 01:17:25 PM
The holding must have other enterprices under it



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 01:21:41 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there




Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 01:23:52 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation

I, too, cannot say if the News, whether a paper or otherwise has a relationship with Brickel Bay.  It would be no surprise if there is/was a relationship....I'm sure you've already seen this below. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Trade name
Branch Dossier#
Establishment
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
HOTELS  27525/000
 
BRICKEL BAY HOLDING
HOLDING AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES  34297/000
 
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
ADMINISTRATORS OF REAL ESTATE  27472/000
 
BRICKELL FINANCE AND TRADE CORPORATION *
A.V.V.S  13240/000


All linked to Walter & Michael Posner, with the last being stricken from the record July, 2005, which to me is very strange. 
 
 

now look at C & C


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Magnolia on March 31, 2008, 01:24:07 PM
There is the man who owns Julia'a tabloids.  His son was arrested
not too long ago.....handsome boy...money laundering, I think.

I found this article today in Amiago
The "Lion" part caught my attention:


Hotels Lowenstein in Koredor area 

The Governing Body has reached an agreement with Alfredo Lowenstein of the American hotel group Lionstone on the development of the area east of the Marriott Hotel, also popular as Koredor.  Caribbean Apartel Services/Hazeleger & Partners were planning to build a hotel here in the nineties, but the project went bankrupt before it was actualized.

In accordance with a Declaration of Intent of January 11 this year, Lionstone will invest a minimum of 60 million guilders in the first phase.  The project consists of among others two hotels with a total of 350 rooms and once completed, it also creates a minimum of 350 jobs.  Lowenstein takes 230.450 square meter land on a long lease, of which the greater part, almost 178.000 square meters is water (lagoon), and more than 53.000 square meters is land.  The developer is not allowed to fill in much of the lagoon, and the existing mangrove bush must be preserved.  All this is stated in documentation that Amigoe has. 

After the former developer went bankrupt in 1977, nothing happened for a long time.  Ten years later, in early 2007, RBTT Bank approached Lionstone to see whether the group was interested in the bankrupt property in Parasasa/Zakitó.  “Mr. Lowenstein is indeed interested and has therefore contacted the BC”, writes Lt.Governor Lisa Dindial in a letter to the Island Council dated March 19.  It is the Island Council that must ultimately accept the Declaration of Intent.   

With the acquisition of the Koredor area, on which two hotels must be realized in the next years, Lionstone obtains an exceptional powerful position on Curacao from a touristic viewpoint.  The group already owns Hilton Hotel (196 rooms with plans for expansion with 132 rooms next year, Breezes Resort (333 rooms), and Floris Suite Hotel (72 suites) acquired this month.  Lowenstein has already announced officially that it has interest in the Mariott Hotel (Rif Resort Hotel) that the island government intends to sell. 

Part of the declaration of intent is also the cancellation of the since 1977 accumulated, but never paid ground rent of almost 7.5 million guilders by the former developer Caribbean Apartel Services, who is bankrupt.  The BC is already planning to stay these bankruptcy proceedings with the declaration of intent, ‘so that this area can still be developed for touristic purposes’.   

From the documents it appears that the hotels must be at least four-star hotels; the buildings cannot have more than four floors; and once in operation, the personnel must be made up of at least 75 percent Dutch-Antilleans.  In Addition to the existing artificially constructed beach, Lionstone is allowed to construct new beaches along the coast.  Only Lowenstein has signed the Letter of Intent until now.  The places where Commissioner Eugene Rhuggenaath (PAR) of Economic Affairs and Tourism and Anthony Godett (FOL) of Infrastructure must sign, were left open.   

Koredor is very popular amongst the local walkers, joggers, bikers, and swimmers; although the latter not so much.  It is not sure whether the local people will retain access till the part of the promenade along the sea.  The Aqualectra-plant in Mundu Nobo that borders that area, will have to go.  This was already determined years ago.






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 31, 2008, 01:25:26 PM
Unfortunately, this is how it is on every forum I have ever been on...but sometimes things just can not be said on an open forum that gets said and then we have all manner of problems.  I don't think Caps has come to any conclusions as of yet...I feel sure he will share with us when he can...he doesn't tell me everything either, just in case anyone thinks that.  I am fairly sure this is the Shango forum which would allow some leeway into the area of crypticism since that is how most of his riddles are written.  I offer everyone a dose of patience with Caps, once again. He may or may not have anything. Let's let him work it out his way.  In the meantime, there is nothing that keeps us from discussing that dreaded subject further...the 5th suspect.

shango was roundly criticized re crypticism, IIRC

human nature nearly universally dicates
that behaviors causing some in a group to feel excluded
is not the path to group harmony

private forums have been spat upon by many ...
who do not realize that the goal of maintaining privacy
avoids exclusionary behaviors, in most cases



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 31, 2008, 01:31:24 PM
Let me claryfy, "The News" news paper is own by some-one. must have a structure...

CEO, managers, workers etc. 

The big fish in this organisation would be who that has an interest in this case and was also at the Gambling table the night in question.


Chamaly????

That's who I was thinking of, too...it was hashed out here so very long ago...Chemaly with the paper in Aruba....there's a printing company in Lebanon...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 01:33:10 PM
I found some photos of "Koredor" by an Hugo J.K. de Vries. But seems to be on Curacao.

This area looks like Rogers or Baby beach.

http://kibrahacha.com/photos/curacao2/11.htm





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 01:43:48 PM
Caps..
I found the transcript but no date ?

<snip>
GERALDO: You say that Van der Sloot admits in his police
statement that he is having sex with your daughter, whom
I believe was a virgin before she went to Aruba, as she lapses
in and out of consciousness?


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/12/beth-holloway-twitty-finally-says-it-dont-travel-to-aruba/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
Forget the beth lie
it has been soved and it all done...

I need now the owners of The News







Freedom of the press, as guaranteed under Dutch law, is observed in Aruba. Aruba has five major newspapers. The Corant newspaper publishes in Papiamento, as do the more widely read daily newspapers, Diario Aruba and Bon Dia Aruba, which is also published online. The News and Aruba Today both appear in English—Aruba Today is published by the same company that producesBon Dia.

http://www.pressreference.com/A-Be/Aruba.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 01:50:55 PM
In Aruba, some one has run wild with that story, who is that person or a news organistation,

Now lets examine this virgin statement. If it is a lie that mary was a virgina and that lie has been found who is to loose in this game

there will be two looser, one is beth and the wone that play with that peace of information

Also this virgin statement came out before Beth told GERALDO on the news,
Posted September 12, 2005  by Scared Monkeys .
 So this had to come out from a  different person this early in the case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on March 31, 2008, 01:54:02 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation

I, too, cannot say if the News, whether a paper or otherwise has a relationship with Brickel Bay.  It would be no surprise if there is/was a relationship....I'm sure you've already seen this below. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Trade name
Branch Dossier#
Establishment
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
HOTELS  27525/000
 
BRICKEL BAY HOLDING
HOLDING AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES  34297/000
 
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
ADMINISTRATORS OF REAL ESTATE  27472/000
 
BRICKELL FINANCE AND TRADE CORPORATION *
A.V.V.S  13240/000


All linked to Walter & Michael Posner, with the last being stricken from the record July, 2005, which to me is very strange. 
 
 

now look at C & C

Yes....C & C was shut down sometime last year.  Found nothing and also an old record for Senor Frog's which was closed in 2003 (rumor was that C&C was to reopen as Senor Frog's, again).  Grupo Anderson doesn't come up.  Not sure if I'm searching for the right name. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 01:56:29 PM

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_contact&catid=12&Itemid=3

Contact Details for this website 
Name  Position  Phone  Fax 
Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr.  Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia  Redaccion   
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 02:00:36 PM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie


I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.




Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007

A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>

ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor

WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 31, 2008, 02:01:49 PM
More on Chemaly at

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2188.260

pg 14 reply #262


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 02:02:35 PM
Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on March 31, 2008, 02:04:23 PM
C&Cs

CARLOS'N CHARLIE'S ARUBA

Business address WESTSTRAAT 3-A, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company JOBEM N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 25 SEPTEMBER 1990
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

VARGAS GONZALEZ, KARINA ELIZABETH;
Residing in WESTSTRAAT 3-A, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in MEXICO, ACAPULCO, GRO. on 10 SEPTEMBER 1973
Nationality MEXICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL

SALGADO CARRANZA, JORGE ROBERTO;
Residing in PASEO POK-TA-POK LOTE 4-5, ZONA HOTELERA, CANCUN, QUINTANA ROO, 77500, MEXICO
Born in MEXICO, CULIACAN, SINALOA on 11 AUGUST 1953
Nationality MEXICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL

LEVY-NACAM, ALBERTO;
Residing in SAN BARBOLA 224, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in MEXICO, MEXICO CITY on 23 MARCH 1962
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 02:09:43 PM
To all that believe that the FBI did notting and believe that they have the resource to work on this.

Shango start posting in June 2005 and in June 2008 it will 3 years and that was a lot of time to solve this.

How do I came here is that I wrote a logic report bases on the information that I have that prove where they could have drop the body. I did not know that this Shango or
Simian existed.

Only this I ask was in the front page of SM in December 2007 was the email of David or Beth to sent them my report.

And that how I got here after Klaasend read the report. I took a look at the Simian and could read it. I could see patterns in it. and so I came about to interpret this simian post. Shango was more complex and after my 4 week of separating the layers , the patterns were about the Ritz and Merge with the Natalee case.

The some key were easy but some key's were complex.

and so I took it upon me to solve this with the help of some that can provide or lookup the information.

and so today we are almost done. The three mayor keys are solved and now there is a mayor key only left and that is the News.

in time all will be public...but in the right form and ethics.


Who is the Margaret Weaver or Wever of the Associated Press?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: kkate on March 31, 2008, 02:10:17 PM
Some info on John Chemaly Jr.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 02:15:29 PM
Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php


Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk Colaborador   

Fat ass lazy dirty cop - Koisy Krozendijk
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Koisy2-1.jpg)

Lard arse on the right
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ArubanCops3-1.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 02:18:34 PM
SS...Good to see you back.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 02:22:47 PM
C&Cs

CARLOS'N CHARLIE'S ARUBA

Business address WESTSTRAAT 3-A, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company JOBEM N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 25 SEPTEMBER 1990
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

VARGAS GONZALEZ, KARINA ELIZABETH;
Residing in WESTSTRAAT 3-A, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in MEXICO, ACAPULCO, GRO. on 10 SEPTEMBER 1973
Nationality MEXICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL

SALGADO CARRANZA, JORGE ROBERTO;
Residing in PASEO POK-TA-POK LOTE 4-5, ZONA HOTELERA, CANCUN, QUINTANA ROO, 77500, MEXICO
Born in MEXICO, CULIACAN, SINALOA on 11 AUGUST 1953
Nationality MEXICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL

LEVY-NACAM, ALBERTO;
Residing in SAN BARBOLA 224, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in MEXICO, MEXICO CITY on 23 MARCH 1962
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 15 JUNE 2000
Authority FULL



This I found Net News Al Rodriques covers some territory in the Antilles, NL, etc.
from Jack b


Who is Al Rodriguez? In my view an opinionated lightweight who would be better to keep his opinions to himself.

I for one am interested in the fiasco in Aruba. I can identify with this poor 18-year-old woman just out of high school murdered in a fish bowl size place where the police chief was best friend with
Van der Sloot the judge.

Some thing like this really rankles most of us in the USA. This whole thing smacks of a cover up and protectionism. If it is not solved right for my money I would not go to Aruba for free. How about that Mr. Rodriguez?

Ted Denney


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 02:23:10 PM
This registry was new to me...



Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT 
 
Business address CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  PARTNERSHIP 
Name of the company  CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT 
Date of commencement  1 JANUARY 2007 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V. 
Established at  CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Position  MANAGING PARTNER 
Since  18 JANUARY 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Residing in  MONTANJA 19, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING PARTNER 
Effective  18 JANUARY 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN ADVOCATENKANTOOR. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37059


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: kkate on March 31, 2008, 02:29:45 PM
This registry was new to me...



Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT 
 
Business address CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  PARTNERSHIP 
Name of the company  CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT 
Date of commencement  1 JANUARY 2007 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V. 
Established at  CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Position  MANAGING PARTNER 
Since  18 JANUARY 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Residing in  MONTANJA 19, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING PARTNER 
Effective  18 JANUARY 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN ADVOCATENKANTOOR. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37059

Here is the their web site http://www.carlolawoffice.com/index.html (http://www.carlolawoffice.com/index.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 02:32:56 PM
To all that believe that the FBI did notting and believe that they have the resource to work on this.

Shango start posting in June 2005 and in June 2008 it will 3 years and that was a lot of time to solve this.

How do I came here is that I wrote a logic report bases on the information that I have that prove where they could have drop the body. I did not know that this Shango or
Simian existed.

Only this I ask was in the front page of SM in December 2007 was the email of David or Beth to sent them my report.

And that how I got here after Klaasend read the report. I took a look at the Simian and could read it. I could see patterns in it. and so I came about to interpret this simian post. Shango was more complex and after my 4 week of separating the layers , the patterns were about the Ritz and Merge with the Natalee case.

The some key were easy but some key's were complex.

and so I took it upon me to solve this with the help of some that can provide or lookup the information.

and so today we are almost done. The three mayor keys are solved and now there is a mayor key only left and that is the News.

in time all will be public...but in the right form and ethics.


Who is the Margaret Weaver or Wever of the Associated Press?

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."

The mother of the 18-year-old told FOX News authorities had not yet contacted them with this information but did say that Natalee's father, who is divorced from her mother, was with investigators looking for the body.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 02:37:13 PM
Let me claryfy, "The News" news paper is own by some-one. must have a structure...

CEO, managers, workers etc. 

The big fish in this organisation would be who that has an interest in this case and was also at the Gambling table the night in question.


Chamaly????

That's who I was thinking of, too...it was hashed out here so very long ago...Chemaly with the paper in Aruba....there's a printing company in Lebanon...

Hmmmm and who do we know of with ancestry in Lebanon?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
SS...Good to see you back.




Thanks Blonde, I mised You!



I was just browsing through the young Chamaly's photographs of his friends on the MySpace page.  I have to feel that this guy has a different orientation and this might be his connection to Guido and why he was there that night.  Isn't Guido supposed to like the guys?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 02:48:34 PM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie


I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.




Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007

A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>

ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor

WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro


I think this is strange, especially so early in the case.  It is long, but may provide something.

 When is enough Natalee Holloway madness enough?
by Al Rodriguez
Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Bravo! I wholeheartedly applaud psychologist Mr. Green, and the Aruban daily A.M. Digital.

It was about time someone in Aruba, as well as here in the US, would have the “cojones” to call this Natalee Holloway fiasco for what it is.

Mr. Green’s feelings about being tired of the Natalee Holloway story, as if it is the only important thing in Aruba (and indeed in America, and the rest of the world), reflects how many of us feel, who at this point are just fed up with this fiasco as well.

Though at the beginning of this tragedy turned “media circus” , most of us totally empathized with Beth’s loss, were concerned about Natalee’s whereabouts, and grieved for her and her family; the relentless barrage of over-the-top, excessive coverage the media has given it for no higher “altruistic” motives than ratings; as well as Beth’s ever-increasingly shrill, scripted, and staged performances (as at the Internet Café recently) have alienated many.

She seems to be always followed by the ubiquitous camera in a manner reminiscent of a participant in a “reality show,” rather than a grieving mother searching for her daughter.

It is understandable that desperate in the search for her daughter, and for answers, Beth would have availed herself of all means at her disposal to further her cause.

But to call upon the media’s attention to help her put pressure on the authorities is one thing, and turning her daughter’s disappearance into a “media farce” which has only served to belittle the memory of her daughter is another! She’s long crossed the line of propriety in my opinion.

Look at what is going on right now in Aruba: After turning the island upside down, wreaking havoc on its economy, ecology, and civil life, now there is dissension in the Twitty search teams, who are in-fighting, and bickering amongst themselves, mutually accusing each other of getting in each other's way, of causing ecological damages, and of having been the cause of a fire at the landfill, and one of them is threatening to sue the other.

I find this so ironic, in light of how much criticism, and scorn they have heaped on the Aruban authorities, and search teams, all throughout the investigation, calling them "inept", and "fumblers" and such.

Now, it seems they are turning on each other with the same rabid viciousness. It would be funny were it not so pathetic. Poetic Justice I should say.

Also, Beth, and the Twitty, camp have repeatedly implied that the reason nothing was being found, was because Aruban authorities were too “dumb” to conduct the search. Hence they brought all these search teams, volunteers, and experts from the States, who, I suppose by inference, they consider more “perspicacious”, and of “superior intelligence” to conduct the search.

But I have to admit on behalf of the “scientific method”, as “dumb” as the Aruban investigators may be, at least they’ve never used such “sophisticated disciplines”, or “specialized advanced hi-tech equipment”, as the Twitty search teams have increasingly been using to help them in their endeavor, such as “psychic sleuthing”, “soothsaying”, “dowsing rods”, “oracular coffee pots” (which is also reputed to brew a mean cup of coffee), and “mysterious boxes” reputedly capable of locating human remains in 180 feet of water, from 200 yards away on the shore (I’m sure the Navy would be interested in that one!).

Every bit of garbage found in Aruba is immediately hailed by the Twittys and these searchers, and hyped by their media friends, as a “crucial bit of evidence that will break the case”, and of course, upon close scrutiny, they all invariably turn out to be nothing more nor less than pieces of garbage. So it was with the "missing shoe", the “hair on the tape,” and now the “belt” fiascos.

Now, to any impartial ******* witnessing all this mayhem taking place in Aruba, wouldn’t all these antics by Beth, her husband, and their menagerie seem like a “joke” worthy of a Marx brother’s film, or the Three Stooges?

I must say, it certainly seems to me, and I must agree with Mr. Green, and his evaluation of the situation.

I also must agree with Mr. Green, that for Aruba, a small country dependent in large part on the very tourist industry that the Twittys with their boycotts, and their relentless media circus, have done so much to destroy, to keep spending the immense fortune that this “joke” is costing them is insane.

Aruba can no longer keep indulging in the extravagant expenditures it has incurred throughout this investigation, as when because of the hype of the “missing shoe fiasco” Aruban authorities had to bring in that humongous, and exceedingly expensive pump to drain the Pond; or foot the bill for the launch of those three Dutch F-16s (do you know how much it costs to get one of those things off the ground with aircraft fuel being what it is at today’s prices?) because of Beth’s demand to bring out the Dutch Marines to assist her in her precious scavenger hunt; or pay for all the extra personnel, and equipment it has mobilized because of this investigation.

It is not only unjustifiable, and fiscally unsustainable, but immoral; and something that may very well bankrupt the island.

Not even the US, which hyperbolically may be said to have “infinitely” more wealth, and “limitless” resources, as compared to tiny Aruba, has ever spent as much on a search (I wonder what Beth’s “tab” would be, and how many decades of “Community Service” she and her husband “Jughead” would have to do on the island, were Aruba to ask for reimbursement from them as the City of Duluth, Georgia, did of Jennifer Wilbanks!).

As Mr. Green rightly says, all throughout these almost three months, Beth has consistently given the impression that she believes a corrupt Aruba has caused this all to happen.

The question begs asking, when is she going to stop blaming others for why this has happened, and look in the mirror, and ask herself what role her lack of parental discretion, and the lack of judgment both, on her, and Natalee’s part, have played in placing her daughter in this situation in the first place?

Beth’s decision to unleash her daughter, who had just turned eighteen, no matter how level-headed, trustworthy, and deserving she may have thought she was, or how much she may have wanted to join her classmates, into a “Girls Gone Wild” partying atmosphere, in the company of one hundred fifty other teenagers from her school, all of them drinking, dancing, some using drugs, sweaty, with plentiful gonads, exuding hormones, as must have been the situation at the Carlos & Charlie’s that night, without proper supervision (yes, one has to ask where were the chaperones supposedly accompanying the group) was an accident waiting to happen aside from any foul play.

Had Natalee died that night in a car accident because Joran, drunk, and or on drugs would have slammed their car into a light post; or because she’d drowned as the result of convulsions, or vomiting due to intoxication, while being out swimming; or because she’d overdosed, or any other such follies; would not have made “this” less of a tragedy than it now is, which is the result firstly, of bad judgment on Beth’s part for letting her daughter go alone (had she accompanied her, and chaperoned her, or taken her with the family to Disney World instead, Natalee would now be alive), and secondly on the part of Natalee, for not having left Carlos & Charlie’s when her companions did, but rather get into a car with three strange males she barely knew, and go off into the night with them, which no “decent” girl would do as Mr. Green has pointed out.

What did she think they were after, and what was she expecting of them, even if they had not meant her the slightest harm whatsoever, to play patty cake with her?

The sad part is that while this “joke” is going on, other children are missing here, and abroad, whose disappearance the media ignores, or gives very little coverage to, while it has so lavishly bestowed its attention on Natalee, and Beth in Aruba; other tragedies are also taking place such as the recent floods that killed over one thousand people in India, that again the media barely mentioned; and other developments, and events have been taking place around the globe, many of which will have a far greater impact on our lives, as well as that of others around the world, that have been mostly ignored, or overshadowed, by the media’s present ratings-driven obsession with Natalee.

Now, are we to infer from this that the disappearance of this one girl, is more important to us as a Nation, than the death of the over one thousand human beings who perished in the floods in India, or of the victims of the London terrorist bombings, or of our soldiers, and the people dying every day in Iraq, or that of those other missing children for that matter?

It is understandable that it may be so to “Beth”, her mother; but it ought not to be to us as a Nation. Natalee’s disappearance has to be placed in its proper perspective.

Natalee’s disappearance, when it happened, was news, and as such it merited to be reported. But at this point the media ought to exercise some objectivity, professionalism, and journalistic integrity (for a change), and stop the flood of excessive, over-the-top, pervasive coverage which it has relentlessly poured, gushingly over the events in Aruba.

It is understandable, after almost three months of no new evidence, and few developments in the case, for Beth to be “courting” the media, and creating all sorts of “media events” to keep the media’s attention on her (she may not like the reasons why she ‘s in the limelight, but she sure basks pleasantly in it!), and her daughter’s disappearance, in order to keep the case alive.

But to keep endlessly interviewing the Twittys and their entourage on prime time for two hour blocks every night, night after night, hashing, and rehashing the same stale old facts, baseless allegations, unsubstantiated rumors, all sorts of hear say, and speculations, is not only a “joke”, but ridiculous.

At this juncture, all that could be done has been done. In Aruba every stone, nook, and cranny has been turned, looked under, or into, and nothing new seems to be coming to light.

Beth ought to face the reality that we may never know what happened to Natalee, in spite of all the myriad theories, hypotheses, and suppositions.

That no matter how convinced she, or anyone else, may personally be of Joran, and the Kalpoe brothers’ guilt or complicity in Natalee’s disappearance it is very likely that there is not sufficient “legal”evidence to convict anyone of any alleged crimes, so that this case, as so many others have in the past could very likely remain “unsolved”.

So again, I agree with Mr. Green’s assessment, that Beth and her entourage should go home. Await the result of the “official”on-going investigation, and abide by whatever decision the Prosecutor, and the Aruban courts make on the case, and stop this media circus, soap opera- melodrama, news TV reality show, before the goodwill, hospitality, and “saintly” patience of the people of Aruba wears thin, and find themselves booted off the island ( as well they should).

Let us hope that television newscast may not have been permanently damaged by all the “Natalee Holloway/Aruba”, ratings-driven obsession, media extravaganza, and that coverage will eventually gravitate, back to some semblance of “real journalism” that we may all once again be able to focus on the “real” news, and “issues”, affecting all of us.

It is time this matter is given closure, and that we get on with the rest of our lives.

Again, Bravo, Mr. Green!

Sent by J/b to maybe jog a memory cell of someone.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
SS...Good to see you back.




Thanks Blonde, I mised You!



I was just browsing through the young Chamaly's photographs of his friends on the MySpace page.  I have to feel that this guy has a different orientation and this might be his connection to Guido and why he was there that night.  Isn't Guido supposed to like the guys?

I was told Guido is supposed to be gay and it was rumored that he was somehow romantically involved with Judge Smyth.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 03:04:14 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation

I, too, cannot say if the News, whether a paper or otherwise has a relationship with Brickel Bay.  It would be no surprise if there is/was a relationship....I'm sure you've already seen this below. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Trade name
Branch Dossier#
Establishment
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
HOTELS  27525/000
 
BRICKEL BAY HOLDING
HOLDING AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES  34297/000
 
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
ADMINISTRATORS OF REAL ESTATE  27472/000
 
BRICKELL FINANCE AND TRADE CORPORATION *
A.V.V.S  13240/000


All linked to Walter & Michael Posner, with the last being stricken from the record July, 2005, which to me is very strange. 
 
 

now look at C & C

Yes....C & C was shut down sometime last year.  Found nothing and also an old record for Senor Frog's which was closed in 2003 (rumor was that C&C was to reopen as Senor Frog's, again).  Grupo Anderson doesn't come up.  Not sure if I'm searching for the right name. 

C+C's was still open as of 12/20/2007. It is now closed and believe it has opened as Senior Frogs.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
Let me claryfy, "The News" news paper is own by some-one. must have a structure...

CEO, managers, workers etc. 

The big fish in this organisation would be who that has an interest in this case and was also at the Gambling table the night in question.


Chamaly????

That's who I was thinking of, too...it was hashed out here so very long ago...Chemaly with the paper in Aruba....there's a printing company in Lebanon...

Hmmmm and who do we know of with ancestry in Lebanon?



Jossy Mansur's family was originally from Lebanon.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 03:28:27 PM
As I can see There is a Holding Company and under that company there is other small companies, these small comapies move money from one to another.

The Brickel owners hands are in the Rave industry also

which one of the enteties are hiden it.

Let me ilustrate, Company X=bodem N.V, Managing director (y) is the Director but they operate a night club. but to hide the night club, you move it under a holding company.

Now the parent company from MP have other small N.V under it. one of them has a rave permit. A night club permit or he can use someone else permit in the establishment to operate the night club.

it that case the club operator is not part of the holding and may be hidden

the same go for a casino..The gambing going on that night may not have a permit to operate a casino but uses someone else permit to allow the games.

I am still looking.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 03:32:55 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 03:34:30 PM
Caps
If you are looking for info on the term "The News" as we have done before, you must be thinking of Julia Renfro.  I think she actually referred to her media offices as The News.  Then again, I could be wrong.  What is MP?  For those that may not know.

Thanks for asking...I wasn't sure, but thought I missed it somewhere in here.



What I need is who are The News. The mayor players

and the relation ship with the Brickel bay hotel.

Lets say the god of The News... the man himself or some big power in that organisation

I, too, cannot say if the News, whether a paper or otherwise has a relationship with Brickel Bay.  It would be no surprise if there is/was a relationship....I'm sure you've already seen this below. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Trade name
Branch Dossier#
Establishment
BRICKEL BAY BEACH CLUB N.V.
HOTELS  27525/000
 
BRICKEL BAY HOLDING
HOLDING AND MANAGEMENT COMPANIES  34297/000
 
BRICKEL BAY REAL ESTATE N.V.
ADMINISTRATORS OF REAL ESTATE  27472/000
 
BRICKELL FINANCE AND TRADE CORPORATION *
A.V.V.S  13240/000


All linked to Walter & Michael Posner, with the last being stricken from the record July, 2005, which to me is very strange. 
 
 

now look at C & C

Yes....C & C was shut down sometime last year.  Found nothing and also an old record for Senor Frog's which was closed in 2003 (rumor was that C&C was to reopen as Senor Frog's, again).  Grupo Anderson doesn't come up.  Not sure if I'm searching for the right name. 

C+C's was still open as of 12/20/2007. It is now closed and believe it has opened as Senior Frogs.

Are the same owners involved in the operation.. or that change the partners.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 03:34:36 PM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie


I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.




Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007

A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>

ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor

WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro


There is an ARUBA NEWS printed and published by the Tourism Authority.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 03:43:03 PM
CapsLockWizard wrote;
Quote
Are the same owners involved in the operation.. or that change the partners.

Not terribly official but according to ArubaAmy the management is one in the same. I do know that as of 12/20 the place was still operating ,nothing was moved out ie bar items.

Posted on: 6:36 pm, March 02, 2008   
Save Save

They are just switching over to a Senor Frog's (owned by the same company - same similar concept.)
http://tinyurl.com/2j2mvj


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 03:43:12 PM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie


I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.




Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007

A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>

ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor

WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro


There is an ARUBA NEWS printed and published by the Tourism Authority.  j/b

said managing director for the Aruba Tourism Authority, Myrna Jansen. ... said CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association, Jorge Pesquera. .


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 03:44:55 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 03:48:51 PM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie


I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.




Julia Renfro
LA Times - Carol J. Williams
June 4, 2007

A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."
<snip>

ARUBA TODAY
Julia Renfro….Editor
ISLAND TEMPTATIONS Magazine
Julia Renfro….Photography
Heleen Bongers…..Editor

WATERSPORT Co. Owners
Julia Renfro


There is an ARUBA NEWS printed and published by the Tourism Authority.  j/b

said managing director for the Aruba Tourism Authority, Myrna Jansen. ... said CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association, Jorge Pesquera. .


JOrge Pesquera - Hold on that name he is one of them party-go-er...what is his Alibi any one know?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 03:50:15 PM
Jossy Mehsen Mansur (Aruba, June 7, 1934) is a descendant from an originally Lebanese family, which settled on the island of Aruba. He is the editor of the Papiamento-language newspaper Diario in Aruba. Jossy Mansur has written two dictionaries for the Papiamento language and has written a history of Aruba among other numerous other books.

Powerful Aruban business family
The Mansur family made its fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they were the major suppliers of Marlboro in the Caribbean basin for many years (the licence has been withdrawn). The Mansurs sponsored the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij, AVP) of former Prime Minister Henny Eman.[1][2] They owned their own bank, the Interbank, and the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, and the Royal Cabana casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.[3]

US President Bill Clinton in 1996 publicly identified Aruba "as a major drug-transit country" and noted that "a substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds."[4] In the late 1980s, an investigator for Senator John Kerry's committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, interviewing drug traffickers in a West Miami prison kept hearing about the Mansurs. "Who are the Mansurs?" he would ask. Answer: "The big family in Aruba we used for laundering money and moving cocaine."[5]

Philip Morris International broke its contract with the Mansurs at the end of 1998 "for business reasons." A source close to the family said the two sides agreed to a $22 million settlement and that the Mansurs continue to work with Philip Morris' non-tobacco product lines.[6]


Alleged involvement in cigarette smuggling and money laundering
The Mansur family was involved in cigarette smuggling from Aruba to Colombia. For over 50 years, Philip Morris' main distributor in Latin America was the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company, NV. Cigarettes were shipped to Aruba or Panamanian free trade zones operated by the Mansurs and then into Colombia's special customs zone, Maicao, just across the border from Venezuela. One of Philip Morris main distributors within Colombia was Samuel Santander Lopesierra, at one time a senator in the Liberal Party. Dubbed "the Marlboro Man" by the Colombian media, in reference to his alleged cigarette smuggling activities, Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment.[3][6][7]

According to a report of the Venezuelan intelligence agency, the DISIP, "in Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Lopesierra.[8][9] Every month Lopesierra 're-invested' 20 million dollar 'with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur'."[10] Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment. In that affidavit, an FBI agent working undercover says he was told by Jaime Tovar, one of the original defendants in the Mansur indictment, that Lopesierra was part of a scheme to convert narco dollars into shipments of goods bound for Colombia.[7] Lopesierra was arrested for drug trafficking in October 2002 and extradited to the US in August 2003.[11][12] He was convicted for conspiring to unlawfully import cocaine into the United States. Lopesierra and his group were responsible for smuggling shipments of hundreds of kilograms of cocaine into the United States, and for laundering the proceeds so they could be repatriated through Puerto Rico, New York, and Miami back to Colombia.[13]

The Mansur family has gained international prominence for alleged money laundering. Two family members, the cousins Eric and Alex Mansur, have been indicted by the U.S. attorney in Puerto Rico. They reportedly funneled US$500,000 in campaign cash to Colombian President Ernesto Samper through the wife of a jailed Cali cartel boss during the 1994 election campaign. Mr. Samper denied it. The Mansurs subsequently were awarded a monopoly for Colombian gambling, which was canceled in 1997 by a government watchdog agency that smelled impropriety.[5][14][15]


Sueing the Netherlands
In 1999 Jossy Mansur and his brother Luis Mansur sued the Netherlands government before the United Nations Human Rights Committee for disseminating what the Aruban government termed a top secret report that claimed that the Mansurs were involved in organized crime. The report by the Dutch Internal Security Service draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.[16]

The report mentions the Mansurs by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities. Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. The suit was dismissed on procedural grounds for failure to exhaust Mansur's civil remedies in the Netherlands courts.[16]


Newspaper editor
Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]

Mansur has strongly advocated a point of view in the cases of Eduardo Mathew and Natalee Holloway. He appeared regularly on Fox News and Nancy Grace's CNN Headline News show commenting on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. Mansur formed his own "investigative team" and his newspaper repeatedly published new leads. According to some observers, Mansur latched onto the bandwagon as part of his own feud with the Aruban government.[18]




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 03:55:17 PM
lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 03:58:44 PM
The Villas owned by ARS group.



Julia Renfro has a variety of interests in Aruba besides being the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today News Magazine and the Photo Journalists for it's sister newpaper Bon Dia.

It seems she is the contact for Windsurfing competition on Aruba.
She is connected to Aruba Travel Guide.
World-wide Travel Guide
Island Temptations.
Aruba Rentals
Sailing
And the ARS Group.

The ARS Group and World-Wide Travel Guide may be related to each other as they both cover the same types of activities but it seems that the business grew from Aruba to World-Wide.
These groups handle many types of businesses including yacht rentals, The Screamer, real estate, Villa rentals, apartments, office space, virtual offices and corporates identities, Business services to include...
Administration Services
Architectural Services
Business Brokerage Services
Car Rental Services
Charters
Cellular Phone Rental
Commercial or Residential Real Estate Services
Concierge & Reservations Services
Conference Room
Fax and Copy Services
Financial Services
Fiscal Services
Internet Services
Insurance Services

Julia has one main competitor on Aruba. That is Diario-Aruba owned by Jossy Mansur. The Mansur family has a colorful background that has been made very public with the help of Ms. Renfro and her media contacts. Ms. Renfro's background on the other hand has been kept secret.

Let's look at a few things that Ms. Renfro has had to say about this case.

"Locally there was never even a mention or a breath of concern that this was a racial issue nor a status issue," Renfro said. HUMMMMM Does 'locally' mean the Dutch community?

"It was not 200 people protesting. It was 200 people demonstrating what Aruba was about, the friendliness of the island, that Aruba was turning into a welcome mat that was just being absolutely stepped on." So it was NOT a protest but in her next breath she says....
"No question about it. I was there at the protest demonstration. And it was all about, this is who we are. This is our justice system. We believe in our justice system. Let it prevail." OK, Julia which was it? An Unbiased view.

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 03:58:44 PM
Joseph Pesquera, the president and CEO of the AHATA is reported to to be hired by the Palm Beach, FL Convention and Visitors Bureau. This is just another example of tourism at all cost and the hell with victims rights. No one would even know who Joseph Pesquera was if it were not for the unfortunate story of 18 year old Alabama teenager missing in Aruba. And for that, Joseph Pesquera is praised and rewarded with his efforts in the case of missing and presumed dead Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/19/jorge-pesquera-president-ceo-of-the-aruba-hotel-and-tourism-association-to-be-hired-by-palm-beach-convention-and-visitors-bureau-part-i/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 04:06:27 PM
Jossy Mehsen Mansur (Aruba, June 7, 1934) is a descendant from an originally Lebanese family, which settled on the island of Aruba. He is the editor of the Papiamento-language newspaper Diario in Aruba. Jossy Mansur has written two dictionaries for the Papiamento language and has written a history of Aruba among other numerous other books.

Powerful Aruban business family
The Mansur family made its fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they were the major suppliers of Marlboro in the Caribbean basin for many years (the licence has been withdrawn). The Mansurs sponsored the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij, AVP) of former Prime Minister Henny Eman.[1][2] They owned their own bank, the Interbank, and the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, and the Royal Cabana casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.[3]

US President Bill Clinton in 1996 publicly identified Aruba "as a major drug-transit country" and noted that "a substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds."[4] In the late 1980s, an investigator for Senator John Kerry's committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair, interviewing drug traffickers in a West Miami prison kept hearing about the Mansurs. "Who are the Mansurs?" he would ask. Answer: "The big family in Aruba we used for laundering money and moving cocaine."[5]

Philip Morris International broke its contract with the Mansurs at the end of 1998 "for business reasons." A source close to the family said the two sides agreed to a $22 million settlement and that the Mansurs continue to work with Philip Morris' non-tobacco product lines.[6]


Alleged involvement in cigarette smuggling and money laundering
The Mansur family was involved in cigarette smuggling from Aruba to Colombia. For over 50 years, Philip Morris' main distributor in Latin America was the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company, NV. Cigarettes were shipped to Aruba or Panamanian free trade zones operated by the Mansurs and then into Colombia's special customs zone, Maicao, just across the border from Venezuela. One of Philip Morris main distributors within Colombia was Samuel Santander Lopesierra, at one time a senator in the Liberal Party. Dubbed "the Marlboro Man" by the Colombian media, in reference to his alleged cigarette smuggling activities, Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment.[3][6][7]

According to a report of the Venezuelan intelligence agency, the DISIP, "in Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Lopesierra.[8][9] Every month Lopesierra 're-invested' 20 million dollar 'with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur'."[10] Lopesierra is named in a U.S. federal court affidavit filed in conjunction with the Mansur money-laundering indictment. In that affidavit, an FBI agent working undercover says he was told by Jaime Tovar, one of the original defendants in the Mansur indictment, that Lopesierra was part of a scheme to convert narco dollars into shipments of goods bound for Colombia.[7] Lopesierra was arrested for drug trafficking in October 2002 and extradited to the US in August 2003.[11][12] He was convicted for conspiring to unlawfully import cocaine into the United States. Lopesierra and his group were responsible for smuggling shipments of hundreds of kilograms of cocaine into the United States, and for laundering the proceeds so they could be repatriated through Puerto Rico, New York, and Miami back to Colombia.[13]

The Mansur family has gained international prominence for alleged money laundering. Two family members, the cousins Eric and Alex Mansur, have been indicted by the U.S. attorney in Puerto Rico. They reportedly funneled US$500,000 in campaign cash to Colombian President Ernesto Samper through the wife of a jailed Cali cartel boss during the 1994 election campaign. Mr. Samper denied it. The Mansurs subsequently were awarded a monopoly for Colombian gambling, which was canceled in 1997 by a government watchdog agency that smelled impropriety.[5][14][15]


Sueing the Netherlands
In 1999 Jossy Mansur and his brother Luis Mansur sued the Netherlands government before the United Nations Human Rights Committee for disseminating what the Aruban government termed a top secret report that claimed that the Mansurs were involved in organized crime. The report by the Dutch Internal Security Service draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are almost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.[16]

The report mentions the Mansurs by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities. Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. The suit was dismissed on procedural grounds for failure to exhaust Mansur's civil remedies in the Netherlands courts.[16]


Newspaper editor
Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]

Mansur has strongly advocated a point of view in the cases of Eduardo Mathew and Natalee Holloway. He appeared regularly on Fox News and Nancy Grace's CNN Headline News show commenting on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. Mansur formed his own "investigative team" and his newspaper repeatedly published new leads. According to some observers, Mansur latched onto the bandwagon as part of his own feud with the Aruban government.[18]



Newspaper editor
Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]

Take Julia Renfro, The news,
Take Mansur form The diario
Take Oduber from the government

from this list , who is most likely that will deceive the beth or the holloways


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 04:10:08 PM
Jossy: We have dedicated at least 6 reporters, everything we report is fact

Crier: I understand that your nephew employed the gardener

Jossy: I think it very strange for people to expect me to know the name of every person that may be working for the family. A large family of over 30 households This gardener was not picked out by me Art Wood found him after 2 1/2 weeks of searching, interviewed him Took him with my son to the police to be interrogated I didn’t know he worked for my nephew, but it turns out he does.
Im sure jossy's Nehpew would not tell the owner of the largest paper on two islands and his uncle about the crime of the century on aruba -- which the gardner told jossy's nephew 2 days after the crime.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 04:15:19 PM
Take Julia Renfro, The news,
Take Mansur form The diario
Take Oduber from the government

JULIA RENFRO & ODUBER  WOULD & DID


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:16:56 PM
Caps, I know Julia Renfro deceived Beth.

I know Oduber deceived Beth.

Are you asking if Jossy did too?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 04:21:17 PM
Jossy: We have dedicated at least 6 reporters, everything we report is fact

Crier: I understand that your nephew employed the gardener

Jossy: I think it very strange for people to expect me to know the name of every person that may be working for the family. A large family of over 30 households This gardener was not picked out by me Art Wood found him after 2 1/2 weeks of searching, interviewed him Took him with my son to the police to be interrogated I didn’t know he worked for my nephew, but it turns out he does.
Im sure jossy's Nehpew would not tell the owner of the largest paper on two islands and his uncle about the crime of the century on aruba -- which the gardner told jossy's nephew 2 days after the crime.


I just want to be sure about the news company or person that deceive the beth

The The garderners work for the Nephew...a name for the gardeners.

the names of the gardeners....anyone....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
According to Julia Renfro, the gardener worked for her.  Jossy Mansur says the gardener worked for his nephew.  It's like an SAT question...  Julia Renfro is connected to Jossy's nephew - her husband?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 04:23:40 PM
I hate to say Jossy. I think Beth would likely disagree with the fact that Jossy would be likely to deceive......but in looking only at facts Jossy played a very important role. He is a powerful man and provided many leads and tips. It was his reporter Tiel that allegedly was following Natalee in a car, and then in a helicopter get away. It was Jossy that announced Karin Jansen "Woman of the Year" and he did so sincerely ....I still like to think it was a joke. Jossy has his finger on the pulse of the heartbeat of Aruba. He could easily have been
found to have an agenda. I am still not certain that Jossy wasn't infact having Joran and the pimps followedprior to Natalee going missing. Speculation of course. I think he knew of their shenanigans and was waiting for leverage. I hate to say Jossy.....JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 04:25:01 PM
Jossy: We have dedicated at least 6 reporters, everything we report is fact

Crier: I understand that your nephew employed the gardener

Jossy: I think it very strange for people to expect me to know the name of every person that may be working for the family. A large family of over 30 households This gardener was not picked out by me Art Wood found him after 2 1/2 weeks of searching, interviewed him Took him with my son to the police to be interrogated I didn’t know he worked for my nephew, but it turns out he does.
Im sure jossy's Nehpew would not tell the owner of the largest paper on two islands and his uncle about the crime of the century on aruba -- which the gardner told jossy's nephew 2 days after the crime.


I just want to be sure about the news company or person that deceive the beth

The The garderners work for the Nephew...a name for the gardeners.

the names of the gardeners....anyone....


was the gardner Carlos Ramos?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Caps, I know Julia Renfro deceived Beth.

I know Oduber deceived Beth.

Are you asking if Jossy did too?

I know that Renfro did and Odeber did...

I just want to make sure that I have the bases covers since that are more than one news media on Aruba.

From the News Media it was The News and that equate to the to the key I was missing.

Now for the Garderners names


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 04:26:32 PM
PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:34:57 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 04:39:29 PM
 I take care of the maintenance of the house, the yacht and ranch of Eric Mansur. I do this already 6 years. I earn the minimum wage of afl. 1.250. I live at the L.G. Smith Boulevard no 546. The house is owned by Eric Mansur.
Carlos Alberto PENATA RAMOS

http://www.hollowaycase.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 04:42:41 PM
lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.



I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

Hmmm that is interesting. The declaration reads that
"After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish," he would not sign it.
Did they want him to sign the english version? Maybe he was wise to the ways of ALE and it was not the actual content of what was being said but maybe he could not be sure what he was being asked to sign?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.



I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

good question... I guess if you want a high roller table they will give you one if your credit line is good or high enough. I have seen roped off tables at the Hyatt.

In an "illegal" game you would be playing against other players and in a game at the Excelsior you would be playing against the house and that income is taxable.

The Excelsior payout is guaranteed and an "illegal" game may not be.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 04:53:38 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 04:53:49 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?


When did this ramos came to work in aruba... Any status of these person... are we shure of the Name..

I wonder if this Ramos has a other name: DH must know this Ramos.

Names could have been Euginio Fabian Davila Ramos (btn as Fabain Ramos)

Any pictures of the garderner


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:53:56 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

Hmmm that is interesting. The declaration reads that
"After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish," he would not sign it.
Did they want him to sign the english version? Maybe he was wise to the ways of ALE and it was not the actual content of what was being said but maybe he could not be sure what he was being asked to sign?

well, if it's not signed, it's not worth anything.

1. he is not telling the truth and didn't want to be caught lying as a witness.

2. he is telling the truth and Kelly changed his wording and he wouldn't sign it due to discrepancies.

I think it's weird that a witness comes forward and allegedly makes statement voluntarily and WON'T SIGN IT. WTF?!?!

someone is lying here in my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:55:24 PM
Another thing - Ramos is from Columbia IIRC - he WOULD speak Spanish. I see nothing wrong that Kelly did here yet.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 04:57:50 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 05:02:23 PM
PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

SS I don't see where it says the gardener was Julia's? Is this the paragraph of information that you are referring to?

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
If the gardener is a diversion for the Sloots it didn't work. The gardener says he see Joran is the driver's seat of Deepak's Honda.

If the gardener was a diversion for the Sloot and to protect Joran he would have said he spotted Deepak in the driver's seat and Satish in the passenger's seat and no sign of Joran. Satish is the only one protected.... it makes no sense.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 05:07:43 PM
I do recall the gardener witness was from another country Columbia sounds right, have to look around. Jossy also had another witness the condom witness think he was from another country also.......these witnesses all blend together in the end when nothing has has panned out ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 05:09:00 PM
PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?


I'll literally fall over he if he is from Barranquilla.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 05:09:13 PM
lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.



I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

good question... I guess if you want a high roller table they will give you one if your credit line is good or high enough. I have seen roped off tables at the Hyatt.

In an "illegal" game you would be playing against other players and in a game at the Excelsior you would be playing against the house and that income is taxable.

The Excelsior payout is guaranteed and an "illegal" game may not be.

This Illagal casino is for the some high rollers

62.   Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm ********* NAT  STORES ********
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation <------
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 05:10:46 PM
I do recall the gardener witness was from another country Columbia sounds right, have to look around. Jossy also had another witness the condom witness think he was from another country also.......these witnesses all blend together in the end when nothing has has panned out ::MonkeyEek::

BB the condom witness is a totally different witness but from Columbia and a Mansur witness.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 05:12:41 PM
I think I am thinking about the condom witness.....
++++

06. CARLOS, THE COLUMBIAN

In March, 2006 Carlos, the Columbian, who was in Aruba illegally contacted Natalee's family through Art Wood with the claim that on the morning of May 30, 2005 he observed activity on the Mariott Beach that involved both Joran and Natalee. He claimed to have given the prosescutor forensic evidence (cloth) to back up his claim. This witness was detained for two months prior to being deported. Where is Carlos' official witness statement?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?


I'll literally fall over he if he is from Barranquilla.

the one Ramos that I mention is from Baranquilla. Was in Jail in 2004 and knows the procedure of not signing..Must have learned that signing is like a swear statement.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 05:18:14 PM
Caps, are they they same person? Doesn't seem like it.

One Mansur statement / witness had Natalee in a whore house in Barranquilla IIRC. I'm wondering where this whole "Barranquilla" business started...

Someone on that side must have connections in that area of Columbia. jmo



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 05:19:07 PM
According to this source Carlos Ramos was from Cartegena Columbia.

++++++++++++

RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.

http://tinyurl.com/2m4am3


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on March 31, 2008, 05:24:10 PM
PROCESS – VERBAL

I, Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, sergeant at the Korps Police force Aruba and at the investigative district classified 2, explain the following.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2005 around 17:30, I, KELLY showed, at the police force guard North, to the witness C.A. PENATA RAMOS, the seized gray Honda Civic belonging to the suspect D.S. KALPOE.

The car became of interest in the search of the missing girl Natalee Holloway and was intentionally seized.

C.A. PENATA RAMOS explained thereby this:

I recognize the car which you now show me as the car in which I had seen the three boys on the night of Monday. It is the car in which I had spoken in my declaration.

W.n.g.C.A. PENATA RAMOS

After I, KELLY, read the declaration of the witness to him in Spanish, he explained that he would not sign it.

He explained that he will grant no further collaboration to the police force.

Of which by me, KELLY, on oath of office made up this warrant which has been closed and has been signed at Bubali on 26 July 2005.

Signed,

S.B. KELLY

are we shure about his name. He must be colombian and I think his real name is

Eugenio Fabian Davila Ramos.

He is from colombia.

The one that is on the PV he is colombian but from which part.?

Cali, Bogota, Medellin, Baranquilla, etc.

from what city is he from colombia?



Carlos Alberto PENATA RAMOS,

Also known as "Compa", born at Cartagena in Colombia on February 25, 1979, of profession handyman (family MANSUR) and living L.G. Smith boulevard xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba, by the judge-commissar Mr. J.S. KUIPERDAL at the Court bldg. at J.G. Emanstraat number 51 on Aruba, as witness in the matter of the missing American girl named "Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY".

http://www.hollowaycase.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on March 31, 2008, 05:27:18 PM
bumping......

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

Acting through his underboss, Rocco Ernest Infelise, head of one of the largest "street crews" in Chicago, Ferriola directed Jahoda to lure 51-year-old Robert Heyden Plummer to the outfit's elegantly appointed "Murder Mansion" in northern Libertyville Township. The secluded Lake County mansion in the woods once belonged to a local millionaire, Bruce Rouse, and his wife, Darlene, until they were brutally murdered in 1980. Their case was never solved. The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes  casino (ca$ino) that employed eighteen full-time people (all are well fed) to accommodate the gambling high rollers (ROLLERS) and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear. Reportedly, the outfit raked in $400,000 for just fifteen nights of casino gambling (of gold bricks). According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown, whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" (all they knew was written down) for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin (lord) in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot. Jahoda still cannot forget the horrible death cries of Plummer as he was dispatched from this world.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 05:33:15 PM
lets make it simple.

I need a list of all that was a suspect in the Natalee case including top offecials that left the Island.

that will make the search of the party-goe-es easy. and that like to gambel. Their was an illegal casino that night in cuestion. Gambling for the Elite.

So that night when the Aruba population was being entertain by this Soul Beach Festival, The elites are beeing entertained by this iligal Casino Gambling party where they mest contracted several casino workers depend what table they have. and some waiters.



I don't know where this illegal casino was held. What makes it illegal?
But when you say gambling the name that comes to mind is Posner. From what I have heard he did indeed leave the island (for mexico?) shortly after Natalee went missing.
Was this illegal casino held in an already existing casino ie Excelsior? Sorry asking more questions than I am answering.

good question... I guess if you want a high roller table they will give you one if your credit line is good or high enough. I have seen roped off tables at the Hyatt.

In an "illegal" game you would be playing against other players and in a game at the Excelsior you would be playing against the house and that income is taxable.

The Excelsior payout is guaranteed and an "illegal" game may not be.


Rob check this out.

at the end of 2004 there was $250,000.00 wire transfer via local bank -1 from the Excelsior Casino to a bank in Hong Kong then there was another $350.000.00 wire transfer from the same casino via bank-2 to another bank in Hong Kong.

The way the transfer was done is that someone falsificate the signature of the director and mistireosly build this swift code and wrote the wire transfer instruction and supposly have faxed it into the fax machine of the banks.

The money were gone after someone picked up the money from the banks in Hong Kong.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 05:34:43 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

SS I don't see where it says the gardener was Julia's? Is this the paragraph of information that you are referring to?

Do you want to guess who the gardener works for? The boss that he told about the suspicious car and the 3 young men hiding in it on the night Natalee disappeared? Can you imagine why this native Aruban was afraid to come forward when his boss said that she would inform her good friend the Chief Police Commissioner.

BB - take a loot at the page in the link.  It's very anti Julia Renfro.

While I'm sending this response to BB, I am noticing something else very strange about the quote.  It specifically refers to the gardener as being a native Aruban.  Something is very wrong with this gardener story.  Is he Colombian or Aruban?  Did he work for Julia or Eric?  Is his name Carlos?  This gardener story is not good. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 05:40:11 PM
According to this source Carlos Ramos was from Cartegena Columbia.

++++++++++++

RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.

http://tinyurl.com/2m4am3

I beth they left to colombia already or they are still on aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 05:46:24 PM
Thanks for the headsup SS. I have only heard that the gardener worked for Eric Mansur , never Julia. I remember hearing he couldn't sleep he was to hot so he decided to get up and go over to his employers house? Oh well, it is strange. Wasn't the story similar for the guy that allegedly found the condom on the beach? Sounds like there is little that would go unwitnessed in Aruba at night as there are gardeners, security guards, chollers and black guards all prowling around at night..... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 05:57:25 PM
According to this source Carlos Ramos was from Cartegena Columbia.

++++++++++++

RAMOS, Carlos Alberto Penata (2-25-79, Cartagena, Columbia) - the gardner witness who claims to have seen 3 boys in Deepak’s car on the dirt road by the pond at the Racquet Club on 5-30-05 at approximately 2:30 AM. Identifies Joran in front seat, Deepak in passenger seat, and unidentified male in rear seat. Claims passenger has hand up besides face, and the driver (identified as Joran) is sitting far back in the seat. His employer was Eric Mansur.

http://tinyurl.com/2m4am3

I beth they left to colombia already or they are still on aruba

I bet they left for Columbia real quick too, seeing those Columbian necktie / Pitbull/ suicide hangings probably made the message real clear regarding giving info about this case.....(not sure Pitbull had anything to do with Natalee's case, but was clearly a message to someone).


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2008, 06:04:38 PM
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/622/bethgardenertestifiesvw2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
According to this, Julia Renfro had nothing to do with the gardener. ::MonkeyConfused::

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

The first was introduced to us by Jossy Mansur the managing editor of Diario Aruba. According to his report on the Greta VanSustern show, one of his investigators learned of this witness after a domino game at KIA prison. When an inmate playing againt one of the Kalpoe brothers said "my gardener saw you at the raquet club on the night the girl disappeared between 2:30 and 3:00 AM." Per Mr. Mansur, the reporter tracked down the gardener that was afraid to come forward for at least 3 weeks to say that he was driving home and saw the car parked with the lights off. He almost hit the car and slowed enough to see Joran in the driver seat lean over to hide, One Kalpoe in the front passengerseat and one Kalpoe in the back try to hide, he did not see Natalee. The witness was finally convinced to come forward last night.

And the story gets better...

Wood began chatting up photographers, stringers, and reporters. The most intriguing lead, he decided, was a rumor that one of the Kalpoe brothers had confessed to killing Natalee—sort of—to a fellow prisoner while in the Aruban jail. The prisoner had heard that a relative's gardener, named Cumpa, had seen Joran and the Kalpoes burying Natalee's body in a vacant lot near the Marriott. When the Kalpoe brother was told the story, he supposedly went ashen and flipped over the dominoes they were playing with. Wood spent most of July tracking the elusive Cumpa. There were stories that he had fled to Venezuela, that he had disappeared, that he might have been killed.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Jjj.Oran_vanity_fair__accomplices.htm

and here's a third version in reference to Jossy Mansur...

He's on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN (NG's show) almost every night.

He's reported a whole litany of things...don't know where to start LOL

He did "report" the rentention pond witness. Just so happens that witness is the gardener of a friend of his.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-27205.html

How could it be a sworn statement before the judge.  It was never signed.

TWITTY: Well, I hope that they see that now Joran has not only changed the pickup from being Deepak to Satish. And they need to go back, Nancy, go back to August, go back when the gardener`s statement was given before the judge of instruction, sworn testimony, the defense, the prosecutor, Deepak, Satish, and Joran.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/03/natalee_hollowa_6.html

Oh, my...

When a park ranger found a piece of duct tape with a strand of blond hair, it became major international news. Talk shows deemed it crucial evidence. The hair turned out to belong to a local wave-boarder out surfing.

An arm found off the coast of Venezuela was treated with similar scrutiny. The dubious testimony of two supposed witnesses - a gardener and a homeless man - is endlessly debated.

One witness led authorities to drain two salt ponds, disturbing a flock of nesting egrets. Journalists clambering for a view accidentally broke a water main, reflooding one pond. The day after the pipe was fixed, reporters broke it again.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/22/Worldandnation/From_paradise_to_para.shtml

Ok, Who is the gardener and what did he see?  The whole thing is probably nonsense and a diversion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on March 31, 2008, 06:11:02 PM
(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4061/gardenerscenariofp3km0.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 06:12:56 PM
SOCORRO, Sierra Varqas Marciana del – Excelsior Casino Supervisor interviewed by ALE on6-27-05

Wonder where this guys statement went? Why didn't they get a statement from Posner?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 06:25:46 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?



Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2008, 06:30:39 PM
Hi everyone!
I have scanned very quickly to catch up.  The discussion about "THE NEWS", I knew I'd read something about a "Margaret" that worked at  a paper called "THE NEWS".  If this has already been posted please just overlook my fast reading, I missed it, lol.


Welcome Back Margaret!

I know I for one have missed your expertise!

Any updates on your plans for getting "THE NEWS" online? A lot of people are really frustrated by the manner in which Aruba Today has switched over their online version, poor format and last but not least, lack of timely updates. We need a breath of fresh "NEWS".

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/favorite-free-aruba-newspaper-27300/#post92619 (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/favorite-free-aruba-newspaper-27300/#post92619)
Quote:
Originally Posted by margaret wever 
Hi everyone!
FYI: I am not voting on this one, as proud as I am of our paper and as confident as I am in our product, I still believe it would not be ethical and very unfair for me to participate at voting on this survey.
I am taking the opportunity to say Masha Masha Danki to all who enjoy THE NEWS and have expressed it here and also to say thank you for your observations which will only benefit the product and its content that we proudly offer you while you are on the island.
And what made me really answer on this post: I am writing - after seeing the many remarks - to say that we aim to have a website running sometime in the very very near future.
And as sincere as I am: I should tell you that I too enjoy most reading up on "Aruba" in English online on Amigoe.com when I am off-island.
Sunny regards, Margaret
_____________________________________________________________

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 9 OCTOBER 1987 under serial number 6848.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
THE NEWS N.V.     
Business address ITALIËSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  THE NEWS N.V. 
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Date of incorporation  30 SEPTEMBER 1987 
     
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Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  30 SEPTEMBER 1987 
Authority  FULL 
   
SCHOUTEN-BLANCHARD, MARIE; 
Residing in  STADIONWEG 6, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  FRANCE, SAINT BARTHOLOMY on 29 SEPTEMBER 1920 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  30 SEPTEMBER 1987 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER-SCHOUTEN, SONIA; 
Residing in  VICTOR HUGOSTRAAT 6, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
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Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2008, 06:38:09 PM
This is the link where the "Welcome back Margaret" quote came from:
sorry, got in too big of a hurry, lol

 ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/welcome-back-margaret-28961/ (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/welcome-back-margaret-28961/)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 06:59:59 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?



Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 07:14:25 PM
Caps,

Aruba Today would be the paper most likely to be friendly with MP...




Aruba Today- October 24th 2005

Michael Posner Contributes

Michael Posner contributes to Aruba's success. Palm Beach- Aruba continues to develop and expand as a popular travel destination ith the help of everyone in the industry. Over the past fifteen years Aruba has jumped onto the travel map as one of the top Caribbean destinations fpr vacations, events and business travel. There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has over 140 employees, with all management positions filled by Arubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year. Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry. Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans. He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000. Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mother as part of the "Make a wish Foundation". Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually. Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador". Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 07:29:59 PM
One score Jossy might want to retaliate against.....

++++++++++

Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp) v. the Netherlands, Communication No. 883/1999, U.N. Doc. CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999 (9 November 1999).
Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp) v. the Netherlands, Communication No. 883/1999, U.N. Doc. CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999 (9 November 1999).

Distr. RESTRICTED*

CCPR/C/67/D/883/1999

9 November 1999

Original: ENGLISH

HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE

Sixty-seventh session

18 October - 5 November 1999

VIEWS

Submitted by: Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp)

Alleged victim: The authors

State party: The Netherlands

Date of the communication: 12 October 1999

Date of adoption of Views: 9 November 1999

On 9 November 1999, the Human Rights Committee adopted its Views under article 5, paragraph 4, of the Optional Protocol in respect of communication No. 883/1999. The text of the Views is appended to the present document.

[ANNEX]

ANNEX*

DECISIONS OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTEE DECLARING COMMUNICATIONS INADMISSIBLE UNDER THE OPTIONAL PROTOCOL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS

-Sixty-seventh session -

concerning

Communication No. 883/1999

Submitted by: Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur (represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona and Mr. John H. van der Kuyp)

Alleged victim: The authors

State party: The Netherlands

Date of the communication: 12 October 1999

The Human Rights Committee, established under article 28 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,

Meeting on 5 November 1999

Adopts the following:

Decision on admissibility

1. The authors of the communication are Luis Emilio Mansur and Jossy Mehsen Mansur, Dutch citizens who are residents of Aruba. They claim to be victims of violations by the Kingdom of the Netherlands of their rights under articles 2 and 17 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The victims are represented by Dr. Jan M. Sjöcrona of The Hague, the Netherlands and Mr. John H. Van der Kuyp of Oranjestad, Aruba.

The facts as submitted by the authorsThe facts as submitted by the authors

2.1 The authors are members of the business community in Aruba. Among other enterprises Luis Emilio Mansur is co-owner of a shipping company and Jossy Mehren Mansur is owner and editor-in-chief of a newspaper and co-owner of a trading company.

2.2 Under a Royal Decree of 22 October 1994 the Interim Head of Aruban Security Service, A. Koerten, was instructed to carry out an investigation into the security and integrity of Aruba. A report on this investigation was produced on 20 April 1995, entitled Security and Integrity of Aruba: Context and Perspective.

2.3 The report was issued as top secret and was sent to a limited number of state officials and institutions, named in the report.

2.4 The report draws a picture of security in Aruba and mentions that foreign services fighting crime in the region are Aalmost unanimous in their opinion that the predominant image of the Aruban business community is one of joint services towards (laundering specialists of) regional drug cartels.@ The report mentions the authors by name and portrays them as criminals who were associated with criminal organizations involved in drugs trafficking, gun trafficking and laundering money obtained from criminal activities.

2.5 Despite the fact that the report was classified as top secret it was leaked to the press and its contents became public. It is not clear who leaked the report. An investigation of the leak was carried out by the Dutch Internal Security Service in which it was supposedly found that the leaked photocopy was not made from a copy in the hands of the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs or another Dutch official. The investigation report did not state of which copy the photocopy was made.

2.6 The authors claim that the allegations against them in the report are totally false and that as a result of the report becoming public their reputations were severely harmed. This led to serious damage to their business interests. They claim that by allowing the report to become public the State party violated their rights not to be subjected to unlawful attacks on their honour and reputation, protected under article 17 of the Covenant.

2.7 The authors requested the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs to disassociate himself from the report. When he refused, they initiated summary proceedings in the court of first instance in Aruba. In these proceedings they requested a declaration that the State party, the Minister of Dutch-Antillean and Aruban Affairs and the Interim Head of the Security Service of Aruba had no evidence that the authors were involved in laundering money or in fraudulent actions.

2.8 The court of first instance ruled that it had no competence to peruse the claim against the State party and that the Official Secrets Act justified refusing a remedy against the Interim Head of Security.

2.9 The authors filed an appeal against the dismissal of their summary action with the Joint Court of Justice of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba. Contrary to the judgment of the lower court this court held that the courts were competent to peruse a claim against the State party. However, the Court held that the authors had failed to demonstrate, nor make probable, that the defendants had been negligent in allowing publication of the report and that they could not be held responsible for acting in violation of article 17 of the Covenant.

2.10 The authors did not challenge the above decision before the Netherlands Supreme Court as they were advised by a Dutch cassation attorney that they had no grounds for a successful cassation appeal.

The author's claimsThe author's claims

3.1 The authors claim that by not preventing publication of the information relating to them contained in the secret report the State party has violated their rights under article 17 of the Covenant. They further claim that the directives of the State party regarding classification of secret information and the requirement of the Court in the summary proceedings that the authors prove the negligence of the State party result in a violation of the duty of the State party, under article 2, paragraph 3, of the Covenant, to provide an effective remedy for violation of their rights under article 17.

3.2 The authors claim that by pursuing summary proceedings they have exhausted domestic remedies. They concede, however, that the domestic law does Aoffer the possibility of a civil standard procedure (before the same instance as where the summary proceedings were lost), yet going through this procedure takes up at least 4 to 6 years (in view of the existing possibilities for appeal and cassation).

Issues and Proceeding before the Committee

4.1 Before considering any claim contained in a communication, the Human Rights Committtee must, in accordance with rule 87 of its Rules of Procedure, decide whether or not it is admissible under the Optional Protocol to the Covenant.

4.2 From the materials presented by the authors it is clear that within the framework of summary proceedings the domestic courts could not examine the factual allegations of the authors. These could only be examined in a standard civil action. The authors have conceded that they have not commenced a standard civil procedure against the State party for a remedy for the alleged attack on their honour and reputation in violation of article 17 of the Covenant. In the circumstances, the Committee cannot accept the mere assertion by the authors that the application of domestic remedies will be unreasonably prolonged. Accordingly, the communication is inadmissible under article 5, paragraph 2 (b) of the Optional Protocol.

5. The Human Rights Committee therefore decides:

(a) that the communication is inadmissible under article 5, paragraph 2 (b) of the Optional Protocol;

(b) that this decision shall be communicated to the authors and, for information, to the State party.

*Made public by decision of the Human Rights Committee.

View 883

*The following members of the Committee participated in the examination of the present communication: Mr. Abdelfattah Amor, Mr. Nisuke Ando, Mr. Prafullachandra N. Bhagwati, Ms. Christine Chanet, Lord Colville, Ms. Elizabeth Evatt, Mr. Eckart Klein, Mr. David Kretzmer, Ms. Cecilia Medina Quiroga, Mr. Fausto Pocar, Mr. Martin Scheinin, Mr. Hipólito Solari Yrigoyen, Mr. Roman Wieruszewski and Mr. Maxwell Yalden.

[Adopted in English, French and Spanish, the English text being the original version. Subsequently to be translated also in Arabic, Chinese and Russian as part of the Committee's annual report to the General Assembly.]

http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/undocs/session67/view883.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 07:33:55 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b
Board of Directors 2005-2006

President Clemente "Mike" Lampe
Imm. Past President Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
1st Vice-President Frank Croes
2nd Vice-President John J. P. de Vries
3rd-Vice President Ludwig Jansen
Secretary Omar Tromp
Treasurer Jaime Laclé
Lion Tamer Adriaan J. Arendsz
Tail Twister Maiky L. Croes
Director 2 yrs. Marlon Croes
Director 2 yrs. Jaime A. Mata
Director 1 yrs. Tendo Boekhoudt
Director 1 yrs. Derwin Alders
Director Membership Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
Leo Advisor Jaime O. Donata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 07:35:28 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

check nor-ann industries and goldmine properties N.v. who are these



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 07:43:58 PM
jackb wrote
Quote
It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

It appears from their schedule that they meet on the second and fourth wednesdays of each month schedule permitting.

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 07:49:00 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b

check nor-ann industries and goldmine properties N.v. who are these



Nor-ann = Henriquez?

I am not finding goldmine...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 07:53:42 PM
I believe the Chemaly family owns Aruba Today and Bondia...under The Speed Printing log...or something like that.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 07:55:41 PM
I believe the Chemaly family owns Aruba Today and Bondia...under The Speed Printing log...or something like that.

CARIBBEAN SPEED PRINTERS N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=9699



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 08:00:13 PM
Caps,

Aruba Today would be the paper most likely to be friendly with MP...




Aruba Today- October 24th 2005

Michael Posner Contributes

Michael Posner contributes to Aruba's success. Palm Beach- Aruba continues to develop and expand as a popular travel destination ith the help of everyone in the industry. Over the past fifteen years Aruba has jumped onto the travel map as one of the top Caribbean destinations fpr vacations, events and business travel. There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has over 140 employees, with all management positions filled by Arubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year. Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry. Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans. He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000. Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mother as part of the "Make a wish Foundation". Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually. Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador". Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.



Oh VMS, I think you found the link.  Posner owns Brickel Bay and Aruba Today is singing his praises.  He also owns the Excelsior and could easily move his dealers from one location to the other for special parties.  Could there possibly be some friction between Posner and the Mansurs over their monopolies and conflict of interests?  CAPS, I think we need to look at Julia Renfro, Chemely, and Aruba Today.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 08:02:57 PM
Caps,

Aruba Today would be the paper most likely to be friendly with MP...




Aruba Today- October 24th 2005

Michael Posner Contributes

Michael Posner contributes to Aruba's success. Palm Beach- Aruba continues to develop and expand as a popular travel destination ith the help of everyone in the industry. Over the past fifteen years Aruba has jumped onto the travel map as one of the top Caribbean destinations fpr vacations, events and business travel. There are a few people who in the last 10 years have added tremendously to Aruba's product with great success. American businessman Michael Posner saw an opportunity in the mid 90's to purchase the Holiday Inn Casino, although it was run down and on the brink of bankruptcy. Posner stepped in when the Holiday Inn Casino was in terrible condition with only 33 employees. He made a substantial investment into Aruba's product by renovating this deteriorating casino. Today the Excelsior Casino has over 140 employees, with all management positions filled by Arubans, and pays millions of dollars in taxes each year. Mr. Posner procured Aruba as the site for the World Poker Tournament for the past 4 years and many years into the future. This has created 20-30 million USD for the economy of Aruba and 5 million yearly in free advertising for Aruba's tourist industry. Posner also purchased and renovated the old Stauffer Hotel, which was considered at the time to be an eyesore to Palm Beach. He transformed the neglected hotel into the Brickell Bay Beach Club and today has over 100 employees, with all management level employment dedicated to Arubans. He recently delivered a genuine act of kindness by donating all the rooms for the Texas EquuSearch team to search for Natalee Holloway, at a cost of over 100,000. Posner has been a generous supporter of many charities in Aruba, even going so far as to send a sick Aruban child to Disney World with his mother as part of the "Make a wish Foundation". Aruba also thanks Posner for opening doors to potential new guest by making travel easier. He was directly responsible for bringing United Airlines to Aruba. Untied Airlines provides Aruba with 40,000 tourists and 300,000 hotel rooms annually. Posner received no payment for his services and was awarded the distinction of "Aruba's Goodwill Ambassador". Posner's contributions to Aruba's economy have been significant and greatly appreciated by the people. Besides all of humanitarian acts of kindness, he is also greatly appreciated for taking the reigns of failing businesses where no one else would and developing them into successful entities.



Oh VMS, I think you found the link.  Posner owns Brickel Bay and Aruba Today is singing his praises.  He also owns the Excelsior and could easily move his dealers from one location to the other for special parties.  Could there possibly be some friction between Posner and the Mansurs over their monopolies and conflict of interests?  CAPS, I think we need to look at Julia Renfro, Chemely, and Aruba Today.

SS,

IIRC, there was a court battle between MP and Jossy. I cannot remember the details now but I want to say Jossy lost. Not sure though, I have a terrible memory so don't hold me to it.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 08:05:17 PM
Only thing I find is Gold Mine Ranch..... :2brickwall:

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 08:06:47 PM
Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php




Aruba Today and Bondia are the same.  Julia Renfro is their Editor.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 08:14:57 PM
Aruban casino owner with criminal past goes to America
Joe Mammana is not permitted to enter Aruba due to his past but how did we end up with Mike Posner?

DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-casino-owner-with-criminal-past.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 08:20:33 PM
Some very interesting information about the Harms and Mansur families.  It sounds like the Mansur's control the tobacco, gambling, and drugs on Aruba.  I have heard that Jossy's niece is married to Rudy Croes.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Could Jossy have been there that night?  ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jossy_Mansur
http://thekomisarscoop.com/1997/05/29/drug-smugglers-dutch-treat/

They use the news media to fool everybody about the truth.... now there is a war between the Diario and Bondia...and DirtyHand is the one that play the war games.

Now back to the Lions

The one that defend the Lions is Briezen, Now on the night in question. Where was those that support the Lions - Lowenstein group. Some one in the oduber cabinet was there between the party-go-er.

About the Garderners... Where do they work.



It is my understanding that the Lions meet the first and/or last week of the month.  j/b
Board of Directors 2005-2006

President Clemente "Mike" Lampe
Imm. Past President Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
1st Vice-President Frank Croes
2nd Vice-President John J. P. de Vries
3rd-Vice President Ludwig Jansen
Secretary Omar Tromp
Treasurer Jaime Laclé
Lion Tamer Adriaan J. Arendsz
Tail Twister Maiky L. Croes
Director 2 yrs. Marlon Croes
Director 2 yrs. Jaime A. Mata
Director 1 yrs. Tendo Boekhoudt
Director 1 yrs. Derwin Alders
Director Membership Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
Leo Advisor Jaime O. Donata

chech the Lion Tamer  any business


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php




Aruba Today and Bondia are the same.  Julia Renfro is their Editor.
The war is the between the Diario against these two and it seems that one of the news paper is in financial problem.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 08:24:18 PM
Lions Club International - Aruba

http://www.arubalions.org/Committees/Committee_Past_Lionistic_Years.htm

Administrative Committees 2004 - 2005

Constituion & Bylaws
Augusting Vrolijk ©
- Frank Croes
- Benky Fowler
- Henry Fingal
- Andin Bikker   (Is this the twenty year old mystery A.B. suspect?)

Members List 2004-2005

Alders Derwin
Angela Mariano A. "Juni"
Arends E.R. "Ebby"
Arends E.R. "Elbert Jr."
Arends F. "Francis"
Arends M.F. "Bibi"
Arendsz A.J. "Adri"
Bikker A.C.G. "Andin"
Boekhoudt R. "Tendo"
Buckley A. "Yeyo"
Clement D.I. "Daniel"
Croes C.F. "Carlos"
Croes F.H. "Frank"
Croes J.M. "Max"
Croes M.L. "Maiky"
Croes M.L. "Marlon"
Croes P.A. "Pablo"
Croes R.C.F. "Randal"
Croes R.W. I "Chobby"
Croes R.W. II "Robèrt"
Cuba de L.L. "Ildo"
Daryanani S.D. "Satish"
Delden van L.F. "Louis"
Donata J.O. "Jaime"
Duran F.S. Jr. "Fillmon"
Fingal Elias
Fingal H.R. "Henry"
Fowler E.D.C. "Benky"
Fuentebella C.E. "Toty"   
Goedhoop Ruben
Gröder D.R. "Boepi"
Harms Clyde 
Jansen J.L. "Ludwig"   
Jelten E. "Eddy"
Kock G.F. "Giovanni"
Kock J.H. "John"
Kock P. "Pierre"   
Koolman Olindo
Kuiperi F.A. "Franky"
Laclé Jaime
Lampe C. "Charlie"
Lampe C.M. "Mike"
Lopez E.M. "Tito"
Maduro C.E. "Carlos"
Maduro Urbano
Maldonado Rogelio
Marugg G.H. "Glenn"
Marugg Oscar
Mata J.A. "Jaime"
Nicolaas R.H. "Ronny"
Paris E.L. "Eddy"
Oduber H.L. "Horacio"
Ruiz M.L. "Dede"
Ridderstap A.S. "Alberto"
Solagnier M.A. "Marcel"
Simon George
Mirep A. "Fon"
Tromp J. "Chinto"
Tromp Omar   
Vries de J.J.P. "John"
Vrolijk Augustin
Wever K.E.O. "Karel"
Wijk van Giovanni
Wolter O.J. "Otto"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 08:26:49 PM
The gardener returned, gave testimony before a judge and signed a statement.  I think Jossy said he even passed a lie detector:

After this interrogation, in the guard chamber at the Court, C.A. PENATA RAMOS gave this statement:

-    that the judge-commissar, during the interrogation, he authorized him to go to the w.c.:

-   that he saw two (2) young persons sitting (in car?) on a bank:

-   that he recognized those two young persons as those of which, with the Dutch boy who were in the photograph in the newspapers (with the Dutch boy he meant JVDS):

-   that he also recognized the gray car the boys were the Salinja in and:

-   that the two young persons appearance had changed but that he still nevertheless recognized them:

Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 16, 2005 has been closed.

Signed,

DD JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on March 31, 2008, 08:27:16 PM
Only thing I find is Gold Mine Ranch..... :2brickwall:

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm


Gold Mine Ranch

http://www.thegoldmineranch.com/


CRYSTAL PLAZA 
 
Business address MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  GOLD MINE PROPERTIES N.V.  
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 MARCH 2002 
     

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
ESMERALDA CAPITAL HOLDING (ECH) N.V. 
Established at  MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Since  21 MARCH 2002 
Authority  FULL 

***************************************************

ESMERALDA CAPITAL HOLDING (ECH) N.V. 
 
Business address MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ESMERALDA CAPITAL HOLDING (ECH) N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 MARCH 2002 

 DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
ODUBER, JACOBO FRANCISCO;  
Residing in  MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 FEBRUARY 1957 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  21 MARCH 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   
CROES, EDUARDO MARCELINO LEONCIO; 
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 135-N, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 19 APRIL 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 SEPTEMBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on March 31, 2008, 08:28:48 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 08:29:22 PM
Only thing I find is Gold Mine Ranch..... :2brickwall:

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm

Goldmine Properties do not exist?


where are the millions that the government is putting the money in is going than??? hnnnn

It it is a business of Rudy Croes brother or sister


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on March 31, 2008, 08:32:23 PM
Only thing I find is Gold Mine Ranch..... :2brickwall:

http://www.arubalions.org/Calender%20of%20Events/Calender_of_Events_2007-2008.htm

Goldmine Properties do not exist?


where are the millions that the government is putting the money in is going than??? hnnnn

It it is a business of Rudy Croes brother or sister

Goldmine Properties do exist.  See my post above.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 08:33:56 PM
1. Aruba Lions Club Board Members 2004-2005
www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_B - [Cached]
Published on: 1/1/2006   Last Visited: 12/22/2007

Adriaan J. Arendsz

Tail Twister 2. Aruba - Matutino Diario - Diahuebs - Social
www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/ - [Cached]
Published on: 9/25/2005   Last Visited: 9/25/2005

Angelique Tromp-Thode, Marjorie Wiersma, Mayra Rasmijn-Roga, Edwin Roos a celebra 12 aña y mei di servicio y Adriaan Arendsz a celebra 30 aña di servicio.
...
Adriaan Arendsz a cuminsa na 1975 cu First National Bank of Aruba como Teller.

Despues Adriaan a ocupa e siguiente puestonan: Computer Operator, Assistant Teller Supervisor, Assistant Branch Supervisor, Branch Supervisor, y Branch Supervisor Boulevard. Actualmente Adriaan ta ocupa e puesto di Customer Service Respresentative - Real Estate.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Arendsz_Adriaan_735853173.aspx


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Caribbean Speed Printers N.V.  Editor  (00297) 582 78 00  (00297) 582 70 44 
John Chemaly & John Chemaly Jr. Directors   
Benjamin Romero  Cordinador   
Grace Mary Maduro  Gerente General   
Elisabeth Guanipa, Genevieve Garcia  Project Executive   
Harold Faro, Richard Brooks, Andres Krozendijk  Redactor Deportivo   
Michael Arends, Dr. Carlos Viana, Ronzzio de Cuba, Seever Krozendijk  Colaborador   
Mariano Heyden, Margatita Els (Antiyas, Bonaire)  International   
Bebby Kelly, Dino Tromp, Jason Inesia  Fotografo   
Ludwig Hermans  Reportero   
Gladys Palomino, Dina Maria  Layout   
Sandra Loefstok, Lando Rafael  Aviso y Arte   
Eduard Martijn, Jenny Lobbrecht, Martha Ariza, Natasha Ramos  Admin & Distribution   
Mariete Tromp, Gina Briesen  Collector   
Luis Fernando Arenas, Pablo Libre  Pre Press   
Afiliacion Sociedad Interamerica di Prensa (SIP)     
Delma Arends, Margarita Els, Oscar Vidal, Keen van Ommeren, Melvin Garcia 

http://www.newsworldnet.com/west_indies/aruba.php




Aruba Today and Bondia are the same.  Julia Renfro is their Editor.
The war is the between the Diario against these two and it seems that one of the news paper is in financial problem.

I think the arrival of 24hora on the market must hurt diario. Aruba today is more a tourist rag no?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 08:41:53 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand



two of the dirty hands are done, need still work on the other 2.
the first one is the big fish, Guido Waver is one of them.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 08:45:19 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

Trudy Hassell


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 09:00:59 PM
CRYSTAL PLAZA
 
Business address MATIVIDIRI 15-J, PARADERA
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company GOLD MINE PROPERTIES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  21 MARCH 2002 

Good find PITA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:01:18 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 09:05:06 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

kinda looks like all those 30 year mortgages went belly shot up in year 25 or so... and now - NO PROFIT FOR YOU!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 09:06:41 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

kinda looks like all those 30 year mortgages went belly shot up in year 25 or so... and now - NO PROFIT FOR YOU!

Mansurs sold La Cabana... and Chemalys, along with anyone with any sense, sold their interest in these dying hotels.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:09:50 PM
Rob

Sugar coated, but interesting link.:

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=39&lang=en


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 09:11:08 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

Trudy Hassell
[/quote


What is the name of the young vcb again he is a police


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 09:12:29 PM
Rob

Sugar coated, but interesting link.:

http://www.historiadiaruba.aw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=24&Itemid=39&lang=en

Thanks Buckeye



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 09:13:41 PM
The genealogist found another Lebanon connection.  The Mansurs aren't the only Lebanese in the newspaper business.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Chemaly Family Website 
 
Aiming to promote cooperation amongst all members of Chemaly Family in Lebanon and overseas.

http://www.lebweb.com/site/lebanon-chemaly-90596


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 09:15:05 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand



two of the dirty hands are done, need still work on the other 2.
the first one is the big fish, Guido Waver is one of them.

Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

DirtyHand walks with the elders
Babylon knows

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power

The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week.
Therein lies the motive.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pm
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave
He can break the alibi

The Arawaks know
The cowboys know
DirtyHand can break the Alibi, he walks all circles
The Simian knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:23 pm
Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks
were maintained until the gods heard
Babylon now fears reprisals
the fires are lit
there will be 46 sacrifices

Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon
Not the minions
DirtyHand knows this
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:50 pm
Are insects conned into entering Venus Flytraps?
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:44 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
DirtyHand is alive
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:46 pm
Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:57 pm

The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
the music which holds the answers lies within the maze


The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys

Find the music
Only David left the den alive

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor


The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.
The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.
A new key must be found to open unknown doors.
The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.
But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.
DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.
The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.
Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.
The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 09:17:36 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:20:44 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:22:45 PM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on March 31, 2008, 09:24:14 PM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

Trudy Hassell
[/quote


What is the name of the young vcb again he is a police
CROMVOIRT, Geoffry van - 19 years old, resident of Aruba, who was detained by ALE on 4-15-2006 in an unannounced connection to the Natalee Holloway case. He is the son of the owner of an island security company that supplies equipment and personnel to beach patrol and hotels.  For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:24:23 PM
The genealogist found another Lebanon connection.  The Mansurs aren't the only Lebanese in the newspaper business.    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Chemaly Family Website 
 
Aiming to promote cooperation amongst all members of Chemaly Family in Lebanon and overseas.

http://www.lebweb.com/site/lebanon-chemaly-90596

Definitely sounds more Mideastern than German.  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 09:33:10 PM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thanks


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 09:33:57 PM
Very Interesting. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Monkey Asks Mansurs Help To Harm Renfro

This comes from the Diario Guest Book

It can be accessed through the following.

http://www.diarioaruba.com/busca/
http://diarioaruba.com/guestbook/guestlo.html
http://diarioaruba.com/guestbook/index_copy(1).html

Stephanie Gastrell
gastrell@aol.com
12 Aug 2006
0.897349537037037037


To Jossy - Is there any way your articles regarding the Holloway case can be translated to
English forwarded to scaredmonkeys.com for all to read ??? please look at this: http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewforum.php?f=6 can you publish this ? How much info do you have on Julie Renfro ?? She always discredits you and Diario - You need to put her in her place ! What happened to her first husband Gordon Drysdale ? Who is she married to now ? Why is her background a secret ? How much does the Chemaly family pay
pay her to say horrible things about Natalee Holloway and her family ? Renfro posts on a
website called Refugeesunleased as Glenda - Scubajap or Scoop - she is posting the alleged letter from Natalee to Paulus - she must be stopped - why is she on US Media TV shows instead of you ? You have done a great job on Dana's radio show - thank you for all of your hard work in this case I look forward to your article exposing Renfro for what she is
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about4250.html


iquitos Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:41 pm   

Glenda wrote:
I'm 100% sure that John Chemaly has not been arrested
.

watcha got today on the big bust glenda? not much on the wires. i guess this news cuts both ways for aruba. it validates the old theories of criminal activity on the island among the powerful and at the same time it shows the esolve of the authorities to stamp it out. is it payback time for the mansurs? 
http://refugeesunleashed.net/about11297-125.html


In 1982, the United States Customs Service seized $24,900 from Robert Chemaly at Miami International Airport. Chemaly, who was attempting to leave the United States for Aruba with the currency on his person, failed to report his exportation of currency in excess of $5000, as then required by 31 U.S.C. Sec. 5316.2 Chemaly subsequently was indicted and convicted of violating 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1001 and former 31 U.S.C. Sec. 1101 (1976) (recodified at 31 U.S.C. Sec. 5316). That conviction has been overturned by this court. United States v. Chemaly, 741 F.2d 1346 (11th Cir.1984).
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/770/770.F2d.1530.84-5207.html

DEA agent Marin received a phone call September 30, 1982 from a confidential informant (known to Marin as Number 24), who had previously provided reliable information. Number 24 stated that Chemaly would be taking Eastern Airlines flight 23 to Aruba that day and would be taking $500,000 in a cardboard box capable of holding TV sets or electrical equipment, to be used to purchase cocaine. After a second call from Number 24 to Marin, the DEA passed the information to special agents of the South Florida Task Force assigned to Miami International Airport.
http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/425204

SM Front Page Post
nychic (back in tx) on February 4th, 2008 10:44 pm
Mike Posner is Alive & Well In Aruba
He Hosts a Huge Poker Tournament Each Year
The only thing dead about him may be His Current Alias (he has used many over the years)
Posner & Chemaly have lost Millions already
due to the drop in Aruba’s tourism
Joran is connected to Posner via Guido
Guido was charged with Heavy Battery
Lorenzo is also connected to Posner’s money laundering operation in Aruba & Curacao
Lorenzo is Also Half Dutch Half Aruban
Lorenzo is allegedly Joran’s Half Brother
Lorenzo owns the largest house in Aruba
and a very nice speed boat
Joran Claims He Knows “People” in Power ?
Guess Who That Might Be ?
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/04/breaking-news-chief-aruban-prosecutor-hans-mos-says-new-video-evidence-of-natalee-holloway-confession-is-admissable-in-court/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:35:42 PM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thanks

Have never seen an alibi, but statements said he didn't work for them at the time.  We did see pictures of him, in uniform at one of the searches.  Long story short...I don't know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 09:37:43 PM
We aren't researching RUMORS regarding the German connection, are we??  ::MonkeyConfused::

From Greta's blog August 22, 2005:

E-mail No. 4

Dear Greta,
There are rumors that are all against Beth and Jug Twitty going on blogs on the Internet.
First of all, that Natalee Holloway ran away twice before: Puerto Rico and I don’t remember where else.... I have been doing my best with limited knowledge to combat their posts.
Now it is being rumored that Jug Twitty and your husband are partners with two Arubans — one German, one Dutch unidentified — in a huge land deal in Virginia with much money involved and that it is a motive for someone who is involved in this to have motive to steal Natalee.
If you could dispel these rumors or give me something to post against them I would surely appreciate it...
I think if Joran gets off, these other scenarios are going to surface. It'd be best to get rid of them now. I would hate to see this turn the way it is looking on that site. If you could log on and view the site I think you will see what I mean.
Sincerely,
Max Cutlip

ANSWER: See my response above, to E-mail No. 1. It seems the rumor is getting more legs... now the rumored business deal includes a German, two Arubans and one Dutch... and a motive to get Natalee all rolled into one. By tomorrow the rumor may include one Frenchman, four Chinese and a cat. The Internet is a wonderful research tool, but it sure does get wild.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166383,00.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 09:42:47 PM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thanks



He had been fired from VCB. IIRC the people he had worked with said he was crazy.  When Natalee went to Aruba, he was working for a water sports company (owned by Julia???) and he was regarded as a beach bum.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 31, 2008, 10:09:26 PM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thanks



He had been fired from VCB. IIRC the people he had worked with said he was crazy.  When Natalee went to Aruba, he was working for a water sports company (owned by Julia???) and he was regarded as a beach bum.
GVC's alibi was His parents...They said that He was home all night with them.....and they also packed up and left the island soon after Natalee Disappeared...IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 10:09:55 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
SS

nychic has always had pretty credible posts, IMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 10:12:40 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 10:15:52 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.




I think you're right Rob and it sounds like there's some bad blood between Jossy and the Chemaly family.  This would certainly give Jossy a special motive to help Beth and Dave, especially if he knows that the Chemaly group and Julia are up to their necks in the coverup.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on March 31, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
August 12, 2005.

GVC is working with the police.

Link to Video (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=&vid=08117149-1e27-4191-8c4c-4fe37b86cba8)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 10:20:27 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 10:20:51 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thanks



He had been fired from VCB. IIRC the people he had worked with said he was crazy.  When Natalee went to Aruba, he was working for a water sports company (owned by Julia???) and he was regarded as a beach bum.

He must have been working.  He was in uniform helping "hunt" NH.
He was in all liklihood working and his firing would have been post dated, if that were a fact.  Hid dad would not have on his record he was fired.  We all know that.  That is a diversion.  If they had any proof, I am sure it would have been post dated.   jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 10:26:44 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.




I think you're right Rob and it sounds like there's some bad blood between Jossy and the Chemaly family.  This would certainly give Jossy a special motive to help Beth and Dave, especially if he knows that the Chemaly group and Julia are up to their necks in the coverup.

SS I don't want you to think I have it in for the Mansurs... cause I don't. I know you understand that. I understand Island politics. You're in .. You're out. When you're out, those that are in are after you.. it's pretty simple.

With the MEP and AVP, along with the RED all causing all kinds of problems, this is what you eventually have. It's the Aruban model described by Darwin in comparison to when an asteroid wipes out an entire population. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 10:33:45 PM
Geoffrey’s family confirms that their son does not know van der Sloot nor the Kalpoes
DIARIO Aruba
4/21/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): It was Thursday that the van Cromvoirt family reacted and stated openly that their son Geoffrey is not friends with any of the people who were previously detained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

“The van Cromvoirt family distances itself completely from all expressions or declarations which bring Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and any statement in which any role is attributed to him in this case”, the family said in a statement issued in Dutch by his lawyer mr. Eline Lotter-Homan.

Further, the family demonstrated that Geoffrey wasn’t working for VCB Security at the end of May 2005 when Natalee disappeared.

But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday.

Aside from this, only yesterday was it known that the Aruba and Antilles Coast Guard are searching the sea around Aruba with sonar equipment. The search was conducted in secrecy. On Thursday however, the Coast Guard did not continue this search.

The bigger question is: did Geoffrey really meet Natalee that weekend in Aruba?
Previously, there were indications that the Mountain Brook High School kids now recognize his picture. But last Wednesday night on CNN, the mother, Beth Twitty indicated that she does not have any indication that this took place.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 10:35:12 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 


Is he part of the Lions? is he a member


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 10:38:06 PM
Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 10:44:55 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.




I think you're right Rob and it sounds like there's some bad blood between Jossy and the Chemaly family.  This would certainly give Jossy a special motive to help Beth and Dave, especially if he knows that the Chemaly group and Julia are up to their necks in the coverup.

SS I don't want you to think I have it in for the Mansurs... cause I don't. I know you understand that. I understand Island politics. You're in .. You're out. When you're out, those that are in are after you.. it's pretty simple.

With the MEP and AVP, along with the RED all causing all kinds of problems, this is what you eventually have. It's the Aruban model described by Darwin in comparison to when an asteroid wipes out an entire population. LOL





Rob, quite to the contrary.  I see you as a supporter of Jossy.  I think most of us are in spite of what we have learned.  If CAPS is correct there is discord between the owners of the two newspapers.  If Chemaly and Julia are dirty, I can see Jossy as having even more reason than usual to irritate them - even if it means being Beth's champion.  I was actually glad to find that Chemaly is Lebanese, in response to CAPS questions. It takes the heat off of Jossy.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 10:47:54 PM
Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???



I posted it about two pages back. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 10:49:10 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

John Chemaly Jr. has a lion on his tee shirt.  A definite lion.  Also has another tee with Body inspector on it as did Lorenzo Rijn.  with a large needle on it.  Really nice lookin dude (no I am not wierd or strange,)  very clean cut and seems to gather some rather clinging acquaintances male and female.  He certainly does not look like I would peg as "gay" oriented, however.  Put John Chemaly, Jr in myspace.com and you should be able to pull this up (the Jr. Chemaly.)

His dad is definitely said to have recommended PVS for his job.  Jr. lives in same place as the VDs, so I guess his dad does too.   Jack b 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 10:51:06 PM
Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???



I posted it about two pages back. ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe Jack's got it.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 


Is he part of the Lions? is he a member




CAPS, I read through his MySpace this afternoon.  There are some very suggestive things in the four pages of his friends which indicate to me that he is gay.  I wondered if this might be his connection to Guido Wever and possibly the reason he was there that night.  Guido is also reported to be gay.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 10:53:02 PM
Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???



I posted it about two pages back. ::MonkeyWink::

SS please take no offense, but if I have seen something, say, like, more than 8 times in the past.... I just glance it...LOL...but I know it's important for others...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 10:54:38 PM
I have never seen anything suspect about Jossy.....well maybe the racetrack deal....but his brothers have issues.  Trust me, coming from a large family, I am no reflection of several of my siblings.  I'm sure Janet has his bio and the letter his son posted (on RWV).  The fact that "the darkside" trashes him, makes me lean towards his "good guy" status.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on March 31, 2008, 10:57:51 PM
Did the Strategic Task Force meet at Brickell Bay??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:00:57 PM
Lions Club International - Aruba

http://www.arubalions.org/Committees/Committee_Past_Lionistic_Years.htm

Administrative Committees 2004 - 2005

Constituion & Bylaws
Augusting Vrolijk ©
- Frank Croes
- Benky Fowler
- Henry Fingal
- Andin Bikker   (Is this the twenty year old mystery A.B. suspect?)

Members List 2004-2005

Alders Derwin
Angela Mariano A. "Juni"
Arends E.R. "Ebby"
Arends E.R. "Elbert Jr."
Arends F. "Francis"
Arends M.F. "Bibi"
Arendsz A.J. "Adri"
Bikker A.C.G. "Andin"
Boekhoudt R. "Tendo"
Buckley A. "Yeyo"
Clement D.I. "Daniel"
Croes C.F. "Carlos"
Croes F.H. "Frank"
Croes J.M. "Max"
Croes M.L. "Maiky"
Croes M.L. "Marlon"
Croes P.A. "Pablo"
Croes R.C.F. "Randal"
Croes R.W. I "Chobby"
Croes R.W. II "Robèrt"
Cuba de L.L. "Ildo"
Daryanani S.D. "Satish"
Delden van L.F. "Louis"
Donata J.O. "Jaime"
Duran F.S. Jr. "Fillmon"
Fingal Elias
Fingal H.R. "Henry"
Fowler E.D.C. "Benky"
Fuentebella C.E. "Toty"   
Goedhoop Ruben
Gröder D.R. "Boepi"
Harms Clyde 
Jansen J.L. "Ludwig"   
Jelten E. "Eddy"
Kock G.F. "Giovanni"
Kock J.H. "John"
Kock P. "Pierre"   
Koolman Olindo
Kuiperi F.A. "Franky"
Laclé Jaime
Lampe C. "Charlie"
Lampe C.M. "Mike"
Lopez E.M. "Tito"
Maduro C.E. "Carlos"
Maduro Urbano
Maldonado Rogelio
Marugg G.H. "Glenn"
Marugg Oscar
Mata J.A. "Jaime"
Nicolaas R.H. "Ronny"
Paris E.L. "Eddy"
Oduber H.L. "Horacio"
Ruiz M.L. "Dede"
Ridderstap A.S. "Alberto"
Solagnier M.A. "Marcel"
Simon George
Mirep A. "Fon"
Tromp J. "Chinto"
Tromp Omar   
Vries de J.J.P. "John"
Vrolijk Augustin
Wever K.E.O. "Karel"
Wijk van Giovanni
Wolter O.J. "Otto"



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 11:01:14 PM
I have never seen anything suspect about Jossy.....well maybe the racetrack deal....but his brothers have issues.  Trust me, coming from a large family, I am no reflection of several of my siblings.  I'm sure Janet has his bio and the letter his son posted (on RWV).  The fact that "the darkside" trashes him, makes me lean towards his "good guy" status.

Buckeye, I respect you and your family. But no one on Aruba is above reproach. Just like everyone, they have histories. Some good, some bad... some totally exaggerated. I admit that. Just like where I live.

But how does a guy that writes books in a few languages end up with three islands and the MEP party owing him 7 million florins in a law suit they are currently challenging? Jossy claims he over paid his taxes IIRC. I heard it myself.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 31, 2008, 11:06:11 PM
 
Aruba Lions Club                     
Members List 2004-2005                     
Last Name   First Name   IM#   Sponsor   Lioness   Edate      
Alders   Derwin   000   Junior Angela   Vilka   10-'03      
Angela   Mariano A. "Juni"   179   Rollyn Angela   Sharon         
Arends   E.R. "Ebby"   001   Harry Posner      10-'63      
Arends   E.R. "Elbert Jr."   159   Ebby Arends      10-'97      
Arends   F. "Francis"   165   Glenn Marugg   Carol   12-'97      
Arends   M.F. "Bibi"   176   Maiky Croes   Vanessa   02-'99      
Arendsz   A.J. "Adri"   107   Maiky Croes   Chima   12-'86      
Bikker   A.C.G. "Andin"   190   Franky Kuiperi   Lorena   10-'00      
Boekhoudt   R. "Tendo"   151   Elias Fingal   Marianita   05-'96      
Buckley   A. "Yeyo"   156   Louis van Delden   Magda   12-'96      
Clement   D.I. "Daniel"   149   Maiky Croes      04-'96      
Croes   C.F. "Carlos"   103   Charlie Lampe   Betty   06-'85      
Croes   F.H. "Frank"   112   Maiky Croes   Baby   03-'88      
Croes   J.M. "Max"   005   Frans Croes   Marie Therese         
Croes   M.L. "Maiky"   077   Oscar Marugg   Ada   02-'78      
Croes   M.L. "Marlon"   166   Elias Fingal      02-'98      
Croes   P.A. "Pablo"   059   Elias Fingal      03-'75      
Croes   R.C.F. "Randal"   167   Frank Croes   Ana Maria   02-'98      
Croes   R.W. I "Chobby"   032   Oscar Marugg   Enid   01-'70      
Croes   R.W. II "Robèrt"   161   Glenn Marugg   Natasha   12-'86      
Cuba de   L.L. "Ildo"   137   Frank Croes      10-'92      
Daryanani   S.D. "Satish"   108   Noppy Henriquez †   Karin   12-'86      
Delden van   L.F. "Louis"   135   Frank Croes   Teresita   12-'91      
Donata   J.O. "Jaime"   155   Carlos E. Maduro      01-'97      
Duran   F.S. Jr. "Fillmon"   170   V. Hill   Maysen   11-'74      
Fingal   Elias   047   Horacio Oduber      05-'72      
Fingal   H.R. "Henry"   177   Maiky Croes      11-'98      
Fowler   E.D.C. "Benky"   021   Kees de Jong   Lucia   12-'66      
Fuentebella   C.E. "Toty"      Frank Croes            
Goedhoop   Ruben   183   Daniel Clement   Selena   11-'99      
Gröder   D.R. "Boepi"   115   Modesto Ruiz      04-'88      
Harms   Clyde      Frank Croes      06-'04      
Jansen   J.L. "Ludwig"      Junior Angela   Astrid   10-'03      
Jelten   E. "Eddy"   168   Frank Croes   Rosalia   02-'98      
Kock   G.F. "Giovanni"   192   Junior Angela   Suzy   10-'00      
Kock   J.H. "John"   193   Tendo Boekhoudt   Marina   10-'00      
Kock   P. "Pierre"      Junior Angela      10-'03      
Koolman   Olindo   110   Maiky Croes   Dora   12-'87      
Kuiperi   F.A. "Franky"   143   Louis van Delden   Shirley   07-'94      
Laclé   Jaime   180   Robert Croes I   Helena   08-'99      
Lampe   C. "Charlie"   051   Robert Croes I   Elsa   12-'72      
Lampe   C.M. "Mike"   152   Maiky Croes   Elina   05-'96      
Lopez   E.M. "Tito"   169   Maiky Croes   Ana Clara   02-;98      
Maduro   C.E. "Carlos"   113   John de Vries      03-'88      
Maduro   Urbano   052   Robert Croes I   Poppy   12-'72      
Maldonado   Rogelio   079   Alfonso Mirep   Cathy   02-'78      
Marugg   G.H. "Glenn"   148   Oscar Marugg   Sara   05-'72      
Marugg   Oscar   015   Wim Schol   Celsa   02-'54      
Mata   J.A. "Jaime"   182   Mike Lampe   Joan   10-'99      
Nicolaas   R.H. "Ronny"   098   Michael Fowler   Bea   09-'80      
Paris   E.L. "Eddy"   162   Glenn Marugg   Lissette   10-'97      
Oduber   H.L. "Horacio"   026   Kees de Jong   Marieta   10-'68      
Ruiz   M.L. "Dede"   071   Elias Fingal   Rocio   04-'76      
Ridderstap   A.S. "Alberto"   144   Louis van Delden   Maria   09-'94      
Solagnier   M.A. "Marcel"   172   Frank Croes   Jo-Ann   04-'98      
Simon   George   163   Frank Croes   Aura   10-'97      
Mirep   A. "Fon"   016   José Walfanzan      03-'52      
Tromp   J. "Chinto"   114   Carlos Croes   Denicia   03-'88      
Tromp   Omar      Adri Arendsz   Tamara   07-'03      
Vries de   J.J.P. "John"   106   Maiky Croes   Susana   06-'86      
Vrolijk   Augustin   164   Maiky Croes   Minerva         
Wever   K.E.O. "Karel"   125   Carlos Croes   Danilla   02-'90      
Wijk van   Giovanni   181   Rollyn Angela   Yolima   08-'99      
Wolter   O.J. "Otto"   153   Alberto Ridderstap   Rosy   05-'96   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on March 31, 2008, 11:06:29 PM
Caps, I know there is a list of 2004 and 2005 Lions. Maybe BB has it???
I see you already have the 2004-2005 list
....and here is the 2005-2006 list

http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2005-2006.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:10:00 PM
Some info on John Chemaly Jr.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641)




This is Chemaly's MySpace link.  If you have a MySpace registration, click on his personal pictures located just under his main photograph.  There are four pages of some pretty interesting thigs. Also, click on the link that says view all friends.  There are eight or nine more pages of friends - many of them seem pretty suggestive of homosexuality.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 11:10:55 PM
I guess my point is ~ they're all crooked.

Jossy has helped Beth in my opinion. Comparing him to the Chemalys and their associates is futile. Jossy didn't do some of the things he said he would do. Such as giving the rest of the video to Kim Guilfoyle with his interview with Gerold Dompig. He indicated he would get it translated and we never heard another word. This was the interview that Jossy taped in his office on hidden cam.

Next.

The Child porn story. Part one - it exists on Aruba and elders are involved.

Part 2 - no part two - story over.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on March 31, 2008, 11:20:04 PM
I already feel sorry for the next family that's going to go through what Aruba has in store. Cause it's going to happen ~ eventually. It will.

Riddles
Crooked politicians
Dirty cops
Tourism ********
Chollers
Traffic accidents
Garbage Dumps
Water Searches

etc. etc. etc



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
John Chemaly is part of the MySpace Group Telluride Gay Ski Week 08.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 11:30:54 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 


Is he part of the Lions? is he a member

On his web site on My Space he is in a tee shirt with a I would say 3 or 4 inch lion on the front in one pic.  White tee with a black lion solid.  It definately is a lion.
This is John Chemaly Jr.  It is worth taking a look to see the other tees, etc. as well.  It is a coincidence that several of them have "body inspector" tees on such as Lorenzo Rijn did. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:33:52 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.



If what CAPS is telling us is accurate, I am just horrified that Julia Renfro could even pretend to befriend Beth.  How could she take Beth all over that crappy island pretending to search for Natalee when she knew first hand exactly what had happened the night before?  This must be one sick woman and a worse sociopath than Joran. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 11:34:22 PM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:39:21 PM
Johny Chemaly opened the Mill Resort in the 80s, same time as Mansur with LaCabana.
Chemaly had a German restaurant The H something that only served German wine, then opened Valentinos.  Don't know if he still owns Mill Resort.  The name Chemaly doesn't sound German...but he must like German food...lol...

The previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and Oduber owns the Solo P paper.

Isn't he the Interior Minister who recommended PVS to his judgeship type job?        Jack b

Not that I recall.

John Chemaly Jr. age in mid 30s I guess was 34 at time of pic on My Space.  Handsome man.  Got a lot of girls.  His dad is the one who recommended Palus for his job. Stats:   John Chemaly's Schools
Babson College
Wellesley, MA
Graduated: 1997
Student status: Alumni
Degree: Bachelor's Degree
Major: Finance / Investment / EPS
Minor: International Studies
 

   1992 to 1997
Fishburne Military School
Waynesboro, VA
Graduated: 1992
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma
 


Is he part of the Lions? is he a member

On his web site on My Space he is in a tee shirt with a I would say 3 or 4 inch lion on the front in one pic.  White tee with a black lion solid.  It definately is a lion.
This is John Chemaly Jr.  It is worth taking a look to see the other tees, etc. as well.  It is a coincidence that several of them have "body inspector" tees on such as Lorenzo Rijn did. 



I noticed that T-shirt  and the Body Inspector shirt, too.  My dad was a Lion for years and a regional President.  If I recall, there logo was just the head of a lion.  The black lion on the T-shirt looks more elaborate than anything I remember.  It almost reminds me of an old German coat of arms or something.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on March 31, 2008, 11:42:06 PM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.

I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.



If what CAPS is telling us is accurate, I am just horrified that Julia Renfro could even pretend to befriend Beth.  How could she take Beth all over that crappy island pretending to search for Natalee when she knew first hand exactly what had happened the night before?  This must be one sick woman and a worse sociopath than Joran. 


Just a thought ...
Mary who was not a virgin ???
Mary rolled through the maze ???

Chata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: AZSunny on March 31, 2008, 11:47:14 PM
Some info on John Chemaly Jr.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/389/492)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=85353641)




This is Chemaly's MySpace link.  If you have a MySpace registration, click on his personal pictures located just under his main photograph.  There are four pages of some pretty interesting thigs. Also, click on the link that says view all friends.  There are eight or nine more pages of friends - many of them seem pretty suggestive of homosexuality.

I am lost in the woods here.  Who is John Chemlay and his realtionship to the case?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:49:40 PM
John A. Chemaly, Jr.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:54:56 PM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?




CAPS, I guess both of them could deceive her.  They could both have a motive.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on March 31, 2008, 11:57:51 PM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

Julia has already deceived Beth and also maybe Julia was who Jo pran called that night.....Julia could be the She that Joran mentioned in the Patrick/Peter tapes.... ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on March 31, 2008, 11:58:05 PM
jackb - is that possibly the Lowenbrau lion? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on March 31, 2008, 11:58:31 PM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

  0005-0006


President Clemente "Mike" Lampe
Imm. Past President Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
1st Vice-President Frank Croes
2nd Vice-President John J. P. de Vries
3rd-Vice President Ludwig Jansen
Secretary Omar Tromp
Treasurer Jaime Laclé
Lion Tamer Adriaan J. Arendsz
Tail Twister Maiky L. Croes
Director 2 yrs. Marlon Croes
Director 2 yrs. Jaime A. Mata
Director 1 yrs. Tendo Boekhoudt
Director 1 yrs. Derwin Alders
Director Membership Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
Leo Advisor Jaime O. Donata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 12:00:25 AM
jackb - is that possibly the Lowenbrau lion? ::MonkeyConfused::

It is on the My Space under John Chemaly Jr.@ mySpace.com
It is a lion on its hind legs.  Black is all I know.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 01, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

Julia has already deceived Beth and also maybe Julia was who Jo pran called that night.....Julia could be the She that Joran mentioned in the Patrick/Peter tapes.... ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyConfused::

strangely I could see that


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 01, 2008, 12:05:33 AM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

Julia has already deceived Beth and also maybe Julia was who Jo pran called that night.....Julia could be the She that Joran mentioned in the Patrick/Peter tapes.... ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyConfused::

strangely I could see that

as Janet might say......ewwwww   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:07:16 AM
jackb - is that possibly the Lowenbrau lion? ::MonkeyConfused::

It is on the My Space under John Chemaly Jr.@ mySpace.com
It is a lion on its hind legs.  Black is all I know.  j/b





Surprise!!!  Check the photography on the previous page.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 01, 2008, 12:08:25 AM
lets me sumize here:

a) If I was Julia The News  reporter walking with Beth, Why would I try to talk ugly about her in public, But by doing this she will here my songs and will not walk with me anymore. unless she knows.

The OM has offer a peace pipe but awaits the response.

B) If I was Jossy, I will talk nice about her in public , she here the songs, but in the reality there is a hidden secret not told to her,

Last change to set this straight. Who will deceive Beth.?

Julia has already deceived Beth and also maybe Julia was who Jo pran called that night.....Julia could be the She that Joran mentioned in the Patrick/Peter tapes.... ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyConfused::

strangely I could see that
Yep! Julia is a low life and Joran likes low lives...so I could see Julia helping Joran because Anita was out of town especially if Julia was at the Sloots when this all went down....hence the rumor of PVS and Julia having a thing for each other....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 12:10:49 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:13:25 AM
IIRC way back when, someone here was questioning who the woman was in the pictures of Joran's welcome home party from jail.  They were all standing inside the van der Sloot gate.  Could that have been Julia Renfro? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 01, 2008, 12:15:49 AM
my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 01, 2008, 12:24:00 AM
my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute.


with her I mean Natalee


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 01, 2008, 12:27:50 AM
What is the name of the young vcb again he is a police

also, father is retired polis/Breda NL

Antillen.nu

 BREDA / WILLEMSTAD (19-04-06) - Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is the son of a former policeman Breda. Zijn vader, Willem, was al achttien jaar politieman in onder meer de binnenstad van Breda toen hij eind 1997 besloot om zich volledig bezig te gaan houden met een eigen beveiligingsbedrijf. His father, William, was eighteen years policeman in activities such as the inner city of Breda at the end of 1997 when he decided to fully busy to go to a private security company. Dat meldt vandaag BN/De Stem . That today reports BN / De Stem ...

http://tinyurl.com/39hys5





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:31:44 AM
CAPS,  If Julia was at the gambling party, then she obviously deceived Beth.  Maybe Beth now knows that she was deceived.  She may or may not know how much she was deceived.  Does Beth know that Julia was there when something bad happened to Natalee?  Are you saying the Jossy has also deceived Beth and that Beth might not know this?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:44:31 AM
CAPS,

It's late and I'm sleepy.

I have to feed my brain cells.


Was Jossy at the party with Julia?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 01:18:08 AM
jackb - is that possibly the Lowenbrau lion? ::MonkeyConfused::

It is on the My Space under John Chemaly Jr.@ mySpace.com
It is a lion on its hind legs.  Black is all I know.  j/b





Surprise!!!  Check the photography on the previous page.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks SS  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 05:51:48 AM
The gardener returned, gave testimony before a judge and signed a statement.  I think Jossy said he even passed a lie detector:

After this interrogation, in the guard chamber at the Court, C.A. PENATA RAMOS gave this statement:

-    that the judge-commissar, during the interrogation, he authorized him to go to the w.c.:

-   that he saw two (2) young persons sitting (in car?) on a bank:

-   that he recognized those two young persons as those of which, with the Dutch boy who were in the photograph in the newspapers (with the Dutch boy he meant JVDS):

-   that he also recognized the gray car the boys were the Salinja in and:

-   that the two young persons appearance had changed but that he still nevertheless recognized them:
Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 16, 2005 has been closed.

Signed,

DD JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS


Appearance had changed...
Seem to recall some-one else had a very noticeable hair cut early on...hmmm!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 06:07:25 AM
Julia work for what news agency and what I need also is the connection of that news Agency with MP. what relation ship is between MP and Julia....hmmmm

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

pioneer:
one who goes to a new territory/country to live/work there

Fin

DirtyHand is from Geermany.  :cool: thank you

DirtyHand

Dirty Hand

dirtyhand

dirty hand

Trudy Hassell

Interesting Rob....I wonder what job exactly she held in March 2005 when she was fired over the work permits. One of the ones appointed by Rudy Croes and the quick search I did showed she was in when van der Straten was out.

Also found on the Diario social pages that a young Hassel was soon to be Croes...maybe related...maybe not...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 06:20:04 AM
Geoffrey’s family confirms that their son does not know van der Sloot nor the Kalpoes
DIARIO Aruba
4/21/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN): It was Thursday that the van Cromvoirt family reacted and stated openly that their son Geoffrey is not friends with any of the people who were previously detained in the Natalee Holloway investigation.

“The van Cromvoirt family distances itself completely from all expressions or declarations which bring Geoffrey van Cromvoirt in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and any statement in which any role is attributed to him in this case”, the family said in a statement issued in Dutch by his lawyer mr. Eline Lotter-Homan.

Further, the family demonstrated that Geoffrey wasn’t working for VCB Security at the end of May 2005 when Natalee disappeared.

But the prosecutor demonstrates clearly that his criminal offenses could have something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. However, there is still no report that has been divulged about the reason why this youngster was detained mid-day Saturday.

Aside from this, only yesterday was it known that the Aruba and Antilles Coast Guard are searching the sea around Aruba with sonar equipment. The search was conducted in secrecy. On Thursday however, the Coast Guard did not continue this search.

The bigger question is: did Geoffrey really meet Natalee that weekend in Aruba?
Previously, there were indications that the Mountain Brook High School kids now recognize his picture. But last Wednesday night on CNN, the mother, Beth Twitty indicated that she does not have any indication that this took place.

Lots of posts and conflicting stories on this posted a couple of days back, on both threads.  IIRC...it was the last time Caps asked about GVC...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 06:27:08 AM
jackb - is that possibly the Lowenbrau lion? ::MonkeyConfused::


Lions…

The Lions Club…which coincidently seems we can’t access for a couple of days every time we discuss it and post links…I haven’t checked this morning…I was bad and am on ‘slow speed’

The Flag...Thanks truthseeker

The Coat of Arms…whose head is on the other side of the florin

The Lowenstein Group…checked this one a while ago

Probably forgot one or two….


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 06:47:04 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Not Caps...but my interest is peaked...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 06:58:44 AM
IIRC way back when, someone here was questioning who the woman was in the pictures of Joran's welcome home party from jail.  They were all standing inside the van der Sloot gate.  Could that have been Julia Renfro? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Not Julia, in my opinion!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 07:15:48 AM
CAPS,  If Julia was at the gambling party, then she obviously deceived Beth.  Maybe Beth now knows that she was deceived.  She may or may not know how much she was deceived.  Does Beth know that Julia was there when something bad happened to Natalee?  Are you saying the Jossy has also deceived Beth and that Beth might not know this?



Finngirl and I posted a couple of days back on just how misinformed or uniformed we were early in this case. If you check the early posts on the forums you will see the posters tell what they are hearing on Top 95 as it was happening. This was before the spin machine started.

I distinctly recall a post by Scubajap stating we were not being told everything and those on the island really knew what was happening. Specifically, who was being questioned.

So obviously Jossy knew these things, as is evident in his quote about Freddy being arrested early in the case. Did he share what he knew with Beth?  Could have…I don’t think we have any way of knowing for sure. Remember Jug’s ‘shock the world’ comment?

Go back to all the confusion on Guido/Lorenzo Wever. And who had the scratches…A lot of the confusion was credited to Tito…or that is what I have seen posted by some very credible posters. Go back a couple of days and we are still questioning just who Guido’s parents actually are and if there are more than one. I don’t think the one in Cuba going to Dentistry School is ‘our’ Guido Wever. So then, they must be two. Right?

And then we have Lorenzo Wever!  Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn, maybe? Does anyone know for sure what his name really is? All part of the misinformation put out by Aruba to confuse, IMO.

Caps…are you sure that you have the right Guido Wever?  Just checking…LOL

My opinion only, but if Jossy is deceiving Beth at all, it would be about the 5th. suspect…hmmmm!  Odd that there are two that I think it could be…and I am not sure of their real names. The 'key' may be just who one or both of these 'locomen' really are!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 07:37:53 AM
If the gardener is a diversion for the Sloots it didn't work. The gardener says he see Joran is the driver's seat of Deepak's Honda.

If the gardener was a diversion for the Sloot and to protect Joran he would have said he spotted Deepak in the driver's seat and Satish in the passenger's seat and no sign of Joran. Satish is the only one protected.... it makes no sense.


Ahh!!!     ::MonkeyDance::     The reason I joined SM after all that time of lurking….I may be paraphrasing as I am slow loading pages and can’t go fetch the posts.

Rob…makes a lot of sense to me…JMO…FWIW…and as Anna would say:  I am entitled to it.

Lala’s…you have a response in the discussion from back in August. Much of my thoughts are still the same. LOL…One more new thought…why would a suspect, Satish, refuse to answer questions and refuse to sign statements. Refresh my memory, some-one, please, suspects are expected to lie, right?

Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?

There is a gap in the time line for the boys…

Who switched places?

The other car…

The Kalpoes might be let go…

One of the brothers might be let go…

The famous pic…The hand…Whose hand…


First posts of MumInOhio….

« Reply #295 on: August 28, 2007, 05:26:26 AM »   
 
  Truthseeker2 Reading back, I've been looking for a statement Nadira made in which she said Satish hardly ever or never went out with Deepak. That same satatement said he was pacing about, excited, waiting for Deepak to come home.  This contradicted everything else we were told about him picking Deepak up from work that night.
   According to Sander's 6/16 PV he has known the Kalpoes a year and a half, and Koen goes to the movies with them.  Andre Santos PV says he has known Joran 6 years, Satish 2 and Deepak 1 year.
    I've been comparing the Kapoes' 5/31 PVs and until we get to the security guards their stories don't match. Their account of the guards is practically word for word, but details at C&C's totally different.  Deepak's account matches Joran's 6/9 PV, the first we have seen from him. Within 48 hours the brothers' stories don't match. Why?  Is it at all possible that Satish wasn't with Joran and Satish that night?

« Reply #305 on: August 28, 2007, 10:13:09 AM »   
 
Thanks Klaas,  FREDDY HAS TO TELL THE TRUTH!   Been wondering if he's the 5th suspect whose alibi can't be broken.  The gardner didn't recognize Satish and it appears Paulus and Joran have something on him, gun or a car incident.  Joran changed to Satish picked him up.  And to top it off the Kalpoe stepfather winds up with the Internet Cafe.

« Reply #306 on: August 28, 2007, 10:20:30 AM »   
 
Thanks CBB, Could the MB kids have had a really good look at whoever was with Joran at C&Cs?  It was probably dark in there, late and they were partying. The 3 were only ther 20-30 minutes tops.  Just because Joran says it was Satish doesn't make it so

« Reply #321 on: August 28, 2007, 11:17:32 AM »   
 
Thanks for the welcome Sunny.  Lala's, Deepak's statement 5/31 says he talked to a friend, Satish says he, meaning Satish, walked aroundand Joron and Deepak lagged behind and doesn't mention a friend. Maybe Paul Reynolds will be able to clue us in on what is fact or fiction.

« Reply #339 on: August 28, 2007, 11:42:24 AM »   
 
Not sure Sunny, except maybe Freddy needed protecting more.  IIRC Paulus got him a lawyer early on and Freddy's Dad walked out on a meeting with Paulus and Anita?  Didn't Deepak tell Joran to leave Satish out of this?

Link to discussions….

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2083.300



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 07:47:46 AM
Texasmom…Did you see my reply to you about Virginia Page yesterday morning on the NAH thread? I think what you were referring to was posted here a couple of days back when Hotping asked about it. Sorry, I can’t go back and check this morning.

Chata…I now remember what it was like to have dial-up…Julia or Anita…one could be involved. Well…more than we know for sure…I recall posts on the LCD a long time ago about a female being there, and always thought along the line of the pimpettes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 07:57:33 AM
my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute.


with her I mean Natalee


Caps...And I think you are still saying what you said yesterday morning. I do not agree.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2008, 08:07:53 AM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thank
Yes and worked that night also, here is picture. Alibi stayed home with Mom & Dad
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/g2-2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thank
Yes and worked that night also, here is picture. Alibi stayed home with Mom & Dad
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/g2-2.jpg)

Something about this picture is definitely not right.  The background looks like it was taken from something else.  Their arms seems awful.  Who gave this photo?  I have seen it before, but it is not even where you can clean it up and see it good.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 10:05:56 AM
Caps

GVC Geoffrey Van Cromfort (?sp) is the young guy that at one time? worked for VCB.  His sister is "real" police.  If that is what you were asking.

Does he work for the Visibility Team in 2005
at the night in question, did he has an alibi

Thank
Yes and worked that night also, here is picture. Alibi stayed home with Mom & Dad
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/g2-2.jpg)

Something about this picture is definitely not right.  The background looks like it was taken from something else.  Their arms seems awful.  Who gave this photo?  I have seen it before, but it is not even where you can clean it up and see it good.   jackb

It is a screen shot from a video. I posted the link a few pages back.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 10:12:02 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Not Caps...but my interest is peaked...
Hi Mum,

He is in many pictures with Chemaly, Jr. I don't think there is anything to it, I am just interested in the house...

Maison Madruga
The most exclusive event residence in Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 10:17:46 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Not Caps...but my interest is peaked...
Hi Mum,

He is in many pictures with Chemaly, Jr. I don't think there is anything to it, I am just interested in the house...

Maison Madruga
The most exclusive event residence in Aruba.



Thanks vms...I will check it out when the dish company lifts my time-out!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 10:32:43 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Not Caps...but my interest is peaked...
Hi Mum,

He is in many pictures with Chemaly, Jr. I don't think there is anything to it, I am just interested in the house...

Maison Madruga
The most exclusive event residence in Aruba.


It seems the Chemalys are associated with Bon Dia and some other well known names.

  * October, 2007
BON DIA
 
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 10:38:36 AM
(http://i28.tinypic.com/1zbw7fa.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 10:43:54 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Not Caps...but my interest is peaked...
Hi Mum,

He is in many pictures with Chemaly, Jr. I don't think there is anything to it, I am just interested in the house...

Maison Madruga
The most exclusive event residence in Aruba.


Maison Madruga had a great event November 2006: A Celebrity Party for Fashion ... in Aruba, Fernando Mansur, hosted the Party together with Aruba's top magazine, ...www.myspace.com/mosaic_aruba -


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 10:46:00 AM
http://www.myspace.com/fernandomansur


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.



CAPS sent us running in a lot of different directions last night in search of the party goers at Brickel Bay that night.  Now that I have had some sleep and I've been able to get a little settled in my thoughts, I keep going back to one BIG piece of information that he shared.  I am so repulsed by the idea that Julia could have been at that private party where Natalee may have met her demise.  How could any woman be present where unsuspecting young girls are drugged and taken advantage of?  How could she even face Beth and portray herself as a helpful friend knowing what she had been a part of?  If what CAPS is telling us is correct, this woman is more evil than we can possibly imagine.  I wonder if Beth and Dave have any idea of her possible involvement.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can somewhat understand how Chemaly or Jossy could be lying to protect illegal and lucrative interests, but any woman who could watch or even be aware of men abusing young women is beyond me. Perhaps Julia's lack of character is the reason why we know so little about her background.  I just feel so devastated and I no longer want to boycott crappy island, I want to sink that entire sandbar.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 10:55:00 AM
Caps,

Do you know anything about Fernando and Maison Madruga?
How is he related to Jossy? He hosts private parties at this home, correct?

TIA


Not Caps...but my interest is peaked...
Hi Mum,

He is in many pictures with Chemaly, Jr. I don't think there is anything to it, I am just interested in the house...

Maison Madruga
The most exclusive event residence in Aruba.


Maison Madruga had a great event November 2006: A Celebrity Party for Fashion ... in Aruba, Fernando Mansur, hosted the Party together with Aruba's top magazine, ...www.myspace.com/mosaic_aruba -


Jackb and vms...Thank you both. I have never heard of this place. Boy...I am going to be busy this afternoon!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 11:00:54 AM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.



CAPS sent us running in a lot of different directions last night in search of the party goers at Brickel Bay that night.  Now that I have had some sleep and I've been able to get a little settled in my thoughts, I keep going back to one BIG piece of information that he shared.  I am so repulsed by the idea that Julia could have been at that private party where Natalee may have met her demise.  How could any woman be present where unsuspecting young girls are drugged and taken advantage of?  How could she even face Beth and portray herself as a helpful friend knowing what she had been a part of?  If what CAPS is telling us is correct, this woman is more evil than we can possibly imagine.  I wonder if Beth and Dave have any idea of her possible involvement.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can somewhat understand how Chemaly or Jossy could be lying to protect illegal and lucrative interests, but any woman who could watch or even be aware of men abusing young women is beyond me. Perhaps Julia's lack of character is the reason why we know so little about her background.  I just feel so devastated and I no longer want to boycott crappy island, I want to sink that entire sandbar.

Whatcha wanna know about her background? :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 11:06:08 AM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.



CAPS sent us running in a lot of different directions last night in search of the party goers at Brickel Bay that night.  Now that I have had some sleep and I've been able to get a little settled in my thoughts, I keep going back to one BIG piece of information that he shared.  I am so repulsed by the idea that Julia could have been at that private party where Natalee may have met her demise.  How could any woman be present where unsuspecting young girls are drugged and taken advantage of?  How could she even face Beth and portray herself as a helpful friend knowing what she had been a part of?  If what CAPS is telling us is correct, this woman is more evil than we can possibly imagine.  I wonder if Beth and Dave have any idea of her possible involvement.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can somewhat understand how Chemaly or Jossy could be lying to protect illegal and lucrative interests, but any woman who could watch or even be aware of men abusing young women is beyond me. Perhaps Julia's lack of character is the reason why we know so little about her background.  I just feel so devastated and I no longer want to boycott crappy island, I want to sink that entire sandbar.

Whatcha wanna know about her background? :lol:



VMS, Give us the dirt on Renfro!!!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

My first impression of the bedroom photograph was an elaborate setting for a porn video.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2008, 11:07:51 AM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 11:19:54 AM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.



I agree with you completely.  Why is Natalee's virginity even an issue in this? ::MonkeyConfused::  My occupation involves kids that are Natalee's age, and I can assure you that not very many of them are virgins.  Why did this even become an issue?  ::MonkeyConfused::  Yesterday, CAPS seemed to be focusing on this very subject and he wanted to know how the virginity question originated.  IIRC the MB girls had said that as friends they had discussed their virginity.  I think that Beth also gave some kind of a statement about Natalee having had a recent GYN examination and that her doctor had said she was a virgin. Why is all of this even important?  Was someone trying to portray her as being sexually provocative and therefore anything that Joran did was justified?  Give me a break. ::MonkeyWaa:: Was this Beth's response to character assaults on Natalee?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2008, 11:20:38 AM
lol@VMS

Whatcha wanna know about her background?
Do It, why save it .


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2008, 11:26:57 AM
When it first came up in 2005, I think it was a way of making the victim look less squeaky clean in the media from Aruba.  Afterall, Aruba was the "party place" for young girls to go...get drunk...get laid.  Not saying that doesn't happen, but wehn Beth uttered those words it opened all sorts of opportunities to hammer home the fact that she was there partying each night...a sort of "she asked for it" scenario as uttered by Tito Lacle at one time. 

Since it was in the Shango riddles, it would be fair game to explore...now that we know there was nothing to it all that can be put to rest.  Sometimes everything Shango says is not related to everything else. It could be Shango's way of saying she had already been exposed to the party scene the night before or that she was simply intoxicated the night before...I am not convinced he used the term literally. My opinion of course.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 11:32:21 AM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.


Good Morning Lala's...Best Bud Freddy!....Interesting for me when I read my first posts that my thoughts haven't changed much, when it comes to Freddy....whatever he calls himself! If I could be positive of his last name, maybe the pieces of the puzzle would fit together!

Only thing I can think of whether it would matter if Natalee was a virgin or not, would be the 'Mary who was not a virgin'...meaning they got the wrong girl!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 11:32:33 AM
lol@VMS

Whatcha wanna know about her background?
Do It, why save it .





Come on VMS, Inquiring minds want to know.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe Renfro is Posner's Gun Maw.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 11:36:46 AM
Michael Posner aka Michael Rubins aka Irving Goldstein = Dirty Hand  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 11:49:38 AM
Michael Posner aka Michael Rubins aka Irving Goldstein = Dirty Hand  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Many Dirty Hands....dirty hands...hand holding hand is dirty...and the Arawak Dirty Hand...a Croes IMO...where is COLUMBO!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2008, 11:50:24 AM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.


Good Morning Lala's...Best Bud Freddy!....Interesting for me when I read my first posts that my thoughts haven't changed much, when it comes to Freddy....whatever he calls himself! If I could be positive of his last name, maybe the pieces of the puzzle would fit together!

Only thing I can think of whether it would matter if Natalee was a virgin or not, would be the 'Mary who was not a virgin'...meaning they got the wrong girl!



Precisely!  If it wasn't the virgin girl..then was it supposed to be...??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 01, 2008, 11:53:58 AM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.



I agree with you completely.  Why is Natalee's virginity even an issue in this? ::MonkeyConfused::  My occupation involves kids that are Natalee's age, and I can assure you that not very many of them are virgins.  Why did this even become an issue?  ::MonkeyConfused::  Yesterday, CAPS seemed to be focusing on this very subject and he wanted to know how the virginity question originated.  IIRC the MB girls had said that as friends they had discussed their virginity.  I think that Beth also gave some kind of a statement about Natalee having had a recent GYN examination and that her doctor had said she was a virgin. Why is all of this even important?  Was someone trying to portray her as being sexually provocative and therefore anything that Joran did was justified?  Give me a break. ::MonkeyWaa:: Was this Beth's response to character assaults on Natalee?   ::MonkeyNoNo::

If my memory serves me well, Beth's statement was in defense of the comments made regarding Natalee's purported coming on to Joran.  The hate forums concentrated on this topic.  I'm not sure I understand yet why Caps was going down that avenue yesterday, but I'll follow along.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
Very, very well said Pearl. I was there on June 10th and 11th. They lied to us about everything, Julia Renfro told us the body was found and came to us crying that up until then she did not believe they really killed her. Julia believed the body had been found and had me call to confirm. I called the number she gave and they said yes, the body has been found. One hour later, we were told it was a rumor. Very strange.,,, The coverup went big time. I think it goes to the very top, Oduber knows what happened.

Comment by viet vet | November 28, 2006, 10:54 am






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:00:56 PM
Very, very well said Pearl. I was there on June 10th and 11th. They lied to us about everything, Julia Renfro told us the body was found and came to us crying that up until then she did not believe they really killed her. Julia believed the body had been found and had me call to confirm. I called the number she gave and they said yes, the body has been found. One hour later, we were told it was a rumor. Very strange.,,, The coverup went big time. I think it goes to the very top, Oduber knows what happened.

Comment by viet vet | November 28, 2006, 10:54 am





Renfro was probably crying not because a body had been found, but because she and Posner were looking at 15 years.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 12:01:04 PM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.


Good Morning Lala's...Best Bud Freddy!....Interesting for me when I read my first posts that my thoughts haven't changed much, when it comes to Freddy....whatever he calls himself! If I could be positive of his last name, maybe the pieces of the puzzle would fit together!

Only thing I can think of whether it would matter if Natalee was a virgin or not, would be the 'Mary who was not a virgin'...meaning they got the wrong girl!



Precisely!  If it wasn't the virgin girl..then was it supposed to be...??


I say Yes!…Because of Beth’s reaction, especially what she thought the day she found out. And then there is the Bacchus’ reaction.

I think this is where the ‘bird on the wire’ come in and probably has to do with the link that COLUMBO posted yesterday. Timewise it makes sense.

Interesting…that boat Captain’s name was Rodriguez…another coincidence.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2008, 12:03:26 PM
FYI...the Chemaly connections...Tylergal did a lot of research on this back in 2005-06. I don't know if we still have that info, but someone may want to look at his older posts.  She worked tirelessly on this, but we may have lost it in the crash.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:08:17 PM
I wonder if Posner's personal suite ("home" as Shango put it) has been completely redecorated in the past three years.  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 12:10:30 PM
Very, very well said Pearl. I was there on June 10th and 11th. They lied to us about everything, Julia Renfro told us the body was found and came to us crying that up until then she did not believe they really killed her. Julia believed the body had been found and had me call to confirm. I called the number she gave and they said yes, the body has been found. One hour later, we were told it was a rumor. Very strange.,,, The coverup went big time. I think it goes to the very top, Oduber knows what happened.

Comment by viet vet | November 28, 2006, 10:54 am


Thanks for posting...Blonde

Caps seems to think that Oduber was out of the country...from what I have seen he was from around the 6/4 until 6/9, but other than that I am not sure. I have not had time to go back and check if he was at the DC summit.

Lots of peeps wanted to be out of town the night of May 29th. 2005! ::MonkeyNoNo::






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:11:17 PM
FYI...the Chemaly connections...Tylergal did a lot of research on this back in 2005-06. I don't know if we still have that info, but someone may want to look at his older posts.  She worked tirelessly on this, but we may have lost it in the crash.



I think that CAPS was trying to tell us that one of the newspaper owners was present at the party.  That would be Chemaly, Jr.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
Very, very well said Pearl. I was there on June 10th and 11th. They lied to us about everything, Julia Renfro told us the body was found and came to us crying that up until then she did not believe they really killed her. Julia believed the body had been found and had me call to confirm. I called the number she gave and they said yes, the body has been found. One hour later, we were told it was a rumor. Very strange.,,, The coverup went big time. I think it goes to the very top, Oduber knows what happened.

Comment by viet vet | November 28, 2006, 10:54 am


Thanks for posting...Blonde

Caps seems to think that Oduber was out of the country...from what I have seen he was from around the 6/4 until 6/9, but other than that I am not sure. I have not had time to go back and check if he was at the DC summit.

Lots of peeps wanted to be out of town the night of May 29th. 2005! ::MonkeyNoNo::








IIRC that Oduber was in Florida for a conference and didn't return for several days.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 12:21:08 PM
LaLa,

Has anyone every figured out who A.B./E.B. is, and is he the 5th?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 12:29:02 PM
Very, very well said Pearl. I was there on June 10th and 11th. They lied to us about everything, Julia Renfro told us the body was found and came to us crying that up until then she did not believe they really killed her. Julia believed the body had been found and had me call to confirm. I called the number she gave and they said yes, the body has been found. One hour later, we were told it was a rumor. Very strange.,,, The coverup went big time. I think it goes to the very top, Oduber knows what happened.

Comment by viet vet | November 28, 2006, 10:54 am


Thanks for posting...Blonde

Caps seems to think that Oduber was out of the country...from what I have seen he was from around the 6/4 until 6/9, but other than that I am not sure. I have not had time to go back and check if he was at the DC summit.

Lots of peeps wanted to be out of town the night of May 29th. 2005! ::MonkeyNoNo::








IIRC that Oduber was in Florida for a conference and didn't return for several days.


SS…The conference was the Organization of American States in Fort Lauderdale. From June 5 through 7. He met with Condi Rice on the 6th. and discussed Natalee. He arrived back I believe the morning of the 9th.

I just don’t know if he was at the one in Washington at the end of May.  The links are somewhere back in the thread, maybe around page 20, but I’m not sure. I think I posted them yesterday morning. And my computer is just too slow loading pages to go back and check. I will check in the morning.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2008, 12:29:18 PM
Joran Confessed Something Bad Happend
Saturday, June 11, 2005

Oduber came back and did damage control
Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 11:34 PM EDT (0334 GMT)

 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber stressed Sunday night that his government "is doing the utmost" to solve the disappearance of an Alabama teen.

"We hope that we will find Natalee Holloway alive, and are still praying that there is nothing bad that has happened to her," Oduber told reporters nearly two weeks after she was reported missing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 12:37:38 PM
Shout out to vms...I thought you were going to give us the low down on Julia….Enquiring minds want to know!….LOL

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2008, 12:41:25 PM
FYI...the Chemaly connections...Tylergal did a lot of research on this back in 2005-06. I don't know if we still have that info, but someone may want to look at his older posts.  She worked tirelessly on this, but we may have lost it in the crash.



I think that CAPS was trying to tell us that one of the newspaper owners was present at the party.  That would be Chemaly, Jr.

Yes, I understand that...I was just saying that Tylergal's research was very good and she had some interesting info concerning all the newspapers and his connections.  I think maybe most of it has already been posted.  Just ignore me...I think I am behind again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 01, 2008, 12:43:49 PM
LaLa,

Has anyone every figured out who A.B./E.B. is, and is he the 5th?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought we said it was that Adin Bikker (sp) fellow?  I have no idea at this point...my mind can't even recall what we have discussed about it before. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 12:46:49 PM
Joran Confessed Something Bad Happend
Saturday, June 11, 2005

Oduber came back and did damage control
Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 11:34 PM EDT (0334 GMT)

 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber stressed Sunday night that his government "is doing the utmost" to solve the disappearance of an Alabama teen.

"We hope that we will find Natalee Holloway alive, and are still praying that there is nothing bad that has happened to her," Oduber told reporters nearly two weeks after she was reported missing.


Thanks Blonde…I must be confused on the date. I just saw it and will go back and get the link…again…later... and post it. If I can find it LOL.

Regardless the date I am concerned with is May 29th…the Loesge posts…and if Oderber was in Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 12:47:46 PM
FYI...the Chemaly connections...Tylergal did a lot of research on this back in 2005-06. I don't know if we still have that info, but someone may want to look at his older posts.  She worked tirelessly on this, but we may have lost it in the crash.



I think that CAPS was trying to tell us that one of the newspaper owners was present at the party.  That would be Chemaly, Jr.

Yes, I understand that...I was just saying that Tylergal's research was very good and she had some interesting info concerning all the newspapers and his connections.  I think maybe most of it has already been posted.  Just ignore me...I think I am behind again.

They publish many type new papers and are publishers and owners (major) of Bon Dia as well.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 12:54:39 PM
LaLa,

Has anyone every figured out who A.B./E.B. is, and is he the 5th?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I thought we said it was that Adin Bikker (sp) fellow?  I have no idea at this point...my mind can't even recall what we have discussed about it before. LOL


Jackb and Tibro made some posts on him back towards the end of the old thread.  I will see what I can find in the index I did on him.  No link...LOL...just the page number!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
lol@VMS

Whatcha wanna know about her background?
Do It, why save it .





Come on VMS, Inquiring minds want to know.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe Renfro is Posner's Gun Maw.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Just basic stuff. No dirt.

You want the links?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2008, 01:07:03 PM
On June 5, Aruban police detained Antonius "Mickey" John and Abraham Jones, former security guards

On June 9, Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and/or murdering Holloway 
 
On June 11, David Cruz, spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice, indicated that Natalee Holloway was dead and authorities knew the location of her body

The next morning,June 12,2005
 Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes contradicted the report, stating that the rumor that one of the suspects had confessed was untrue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 01:28:04 PM
Crappy Island's Bonnie and Clyde



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 01:50:28 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 02:06:22 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 02:16:17 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 02:20:15 PM
lol@VMS

Whatcha wanna know about her background?
Do It, why save it .





Come on VMS, Inquiring minds want to know.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe Renfro is Posner's Gun Maw.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Just basic stuff. No dirt.

You want the links?

Ok, hopefully this is enough but not so much that I get banned.  :shock: :lol:

Winter Park High School
1980-1984

UCF Pi Beta Phi


http://www.geocities.com/richmonp/alumni.htm
http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=51529&an=0&page=86
http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/mag/back/issue3.3.html


Orlando Sentinel Archives
Search: Renfro-Drysdale

Orange County Clerk Circuit Court - 1989 Divorce

Family
Google:
Discovery Video Productions
Hawaii Sports Models


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 02:21:05 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.


Yesterday. CAPS pointed to Arendz on that same list.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.


Yesterday. CAPS pointed to Arendz on that same list.


I must have missed it...what did he say?

I know it was the Arends boy that Scubajap tried to point everyone away from, as possibly being at the van der Sloot's that night.  She said it was the Arendz kid.  Wait wasn't that Freddy...LOL...Well it was some-one with the last name of Arends.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 02:30:56 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.
I have always been interested in them, as well. Peeps sure didn't want us talking about his friend...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 02:35:06 PM
lol@VMS

Whatcha wanna know about her background?
Do It, why save it .





Come on VMS, Inquiring minds want to know.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe Renfro is Posner's Gun Maw.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Just basic stuff. No dirt.

You want the links?

Ok, hopefully this is enough but not so much that I get banned.  :shock: :lol:

Winter Park High School
1980-1984

UCF Pi Beta Phi


http://www.geocities.com/richmonp/alumni.htm
http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=51529&an=0&page=86
http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/mag/back/issue3.3.html


Orlando Sentinel Archives
Search: Renfro-Drysdale

Orange County Clerk Circuit Court - 1989 Divorce

Family
Google:
Discovery Video Productions
Hawaii Sports Models



Thanks vms...will save it for coffee in the morning, but definately before breakfast...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 02:40:08 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.
I have always been interested in them, as well. Peeps sure didn't want us talking about his friend...


Lorenzo and Arendz...I have read most of what is posted in the Race Junkies thread.  Still question the 2 suicides of the reporter and her camera man 10 days apart and the fact that the last things they worked on were the Race Junkies and illegal prostitution. I believe Arendz is in the Netherlands now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 01, 2008, 02:58:26 PM
One thing I do recall is that Maximillano (Bibi) Arends member of Lions Club 2005 is father of Max (Ibbi) Arends , a friend of Jorans who had left Aruba to attend Valencia Community College in Florida. He was apparently questioned and released on 6-17-2005.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/maxarends.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg251244


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 03:00:38 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.


Yesterday. CAPS pointed to Arendz on that same list.


I must have missed it...what did he say?

I know it was the Arends boy that Scubajap tried to point everyone away from, as possibly being at the van der Sloot's that night.  She said it was the Arendz kid.  Wait wasn't that Freddy...LOL...Well it was some-one with the last name of Arends.


It's back about 4 or 5 pages when CAPS had us pulling up the names of the 2004-05 Lions Club members.  He told us to look at the tail twister who was Arendsz.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 03:07:33 PM
One thing I do recall is that Maximillano (Bibi) Arends member of Lions Club 2005 is father of Max (Ibbi) Arends , a friend of Jorans who had left Aruba to attend Valencia Community College in Florida. He was apparently questioned and released on 6-17-2005.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/maxarends.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg251244


Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
SS….A.B.

Page 176, 177 and 178…may be a couple of posts on each page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.3500




It looks like some still think that he is Adnin Bikker.  Adnin Bikker was also on the list of 2004-05 members of the Lions Club that CAPS had us looking at.  I wonder if he was one of CAP'S party goers at Brickell Bay?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Not sure...I have always been more interested in the Arends and Arendz from that list. Confusion as to which one was questioned, well it appears that both Juniors were, but when would be important and the the Race Junkies connection...and of course the Freddy connection.


Yesterday. CAPS pointed to Arendz on that same list.


I must have missed it...what did he say?

I know it was the Arends boy that Scubajap tried to point everyone away from, as possibly being at the van der Sloot's that night.  She said it was the Arendz kid.  Wait wasn't that Freddy...LOL...Well it was some-one with the last name of Arends.


It's back about 4 or 5 pages when CAPS had us pulling up the names of the 2004-05 Lions Club members.  He told us to look at the tail twister who was Arendsz.


Thanks SS...will try and check back in the morning...seems a little familiar...the tail twister part.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 01, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
MumInOhio wrote;

Quote
Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.

Hi Mum
This info about Max has been around since the very first days, not even sure that it has ever been confirmed. I do recall it being said that Max and his family lived near the Sloots and that he often spent the night at Jorans. The most interesting point in this connection IMO is that his father is a member of the Lions Den uh I mean club.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: AZSunny on April 01, 2008, 03:46:22 PM
One thing I do recall is that Maximillano (Bibi) Arends member of Lions Club 2005 is father of Max (Ibbi) Arends , a friend of Jorans who had left Aruba to attend Valencia Community College in Florida. He was apparently questioned and released on 6-17-2005.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/maxarends.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg251244

That guys eyebrows are just too perfect.  is he a model too?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 01, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.


Good Morning Lala's...Best Bud Freddy!....Interesting for me when I read my first posts that my thoughts haven't changed much, when it comes to Freddy....whatever he calls himself! If I could be positive of his last name, maybe the pieces of the puzzle would fit together!

Only thing I can think of whether it would matter if Natalee was a virgin or not, would be the 'Mary who was not a virgin'...meaning they got the wrong girl!



Precisely!  If it wasn't the virgin girl..then was it supposed to be...??


I say Yes!…Because of Beth’s reaction, especially what she thought the day she found out. And then there is the Bacchus’ reaction.

I think this is where the ‘bird on the wire’ come in and probably has to do with the link that COLUMBO posted yesterday. Timewise it makes sense.

Interesting…that boat Captain’s name was Rodriguez…another coincidence.



where was it towed?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 01, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 04:43:08 PM
Reprieve...DH has a flat and is not a happy camper....hope he cheers up by the time he gets home.

COLUMBO...I read a couple of other articles on this yesterday and I thought I saw something about St. Maarten?  All the DEA News I read are to do with Puerto Rico though, so this makes sense.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela
++++

Do you recall how early on that was that you saw that with Joran?...He is friends with Julia, maybe he told her. Well Paulus is...IFA....TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 01, 2008, 04:48:06 PM
Mum:

Was very early on......

"the gamblers also took note"
"how could so may gamblers be wrong....."


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 01, 2008, 04:50:02 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 04:50:07 PM
MumInOhio wrote;

Quote
Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.

Hi Mum
This info about Max has been around since the very first days, not even sure that it has ever been confirmed. I do recall it being said that Max and his family lived near the Sloots and that he often spent the night at Jorans. The most interesting point in this connection IMO is that his father is a member of the Lions Den uh I mean club.


Do you recall the first posts when Freddy was arrested?....Freddy Arends? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 01, 2008, 04:50:26 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 04:55:29 PM
One thing I do recall is that Maximillano (Bibi) Arends member of Lions Club 2005 is father of Max (Ibbi) Arends , a friend of Jorans who had left Aruba to attend Valencia Community College in Florida. He was apparently questioned and released on 6-17-2005.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/maxarends.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg251244

That guys eyebrows are just too perfect.  is he a model too?


There is a myspace or hi5 site for him in the other thread...I went to look for it last week and couldn't remember the page number. Will look tomorrow as I am pretty sure I can find it, and repost it. I can't remember much about him that was why I went looking...LOL

The eyebrows remind me of the guy in the "Haunting Evidence' sketch...and the hairline.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 01, 2008, 04:59:49 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

All that talk of the gardener yesterday has me totally confused. Need sleep and coffee to respond to your posts, COLUMBO.

If I get this one can I graduate pre-school?

Back in the morning...have a good evening everyone!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2008, 05:49:45 PM
Trivia

Did you know that the term "dirty martini" came about because the bartender would put his dirty hand over a jar of olives and drip in a little of the olive juice??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 01, 2008, 06:03:02 PM
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

All that talk of the gardener yesterday has me totally confused. Need sleep and coffee to respond to your posts, COLUMBO.

If I get this one can I graduate pre-school?

Back in the morning...have a good evening everyone!


Might be some hope......nah-forget it.......

Last sequence relate to underlying motivation regarding recent topic in one of our exchanges


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 01, 2008, 06:13:01 PM
Lala e klaasend e TM, cassetta postale


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 01, 2008, 06:16:58 PM
Max Arends – questioned & released on 6-17-05.
Paul Van Der Sloot arrested 6-23-05
Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – arrested 8-26-06 not directly related to case


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 01, 2008, 06:57:51 PM
MumInOhio wrote;

Quote
Hi BB...Scuba posted at RWV that she spoke to his Dad in a movie theater in Florida and he was shocked to hear his son's name mentioned in the case. It's in the other thread somewhere or I may have saved it. I have to leave in a bit, but will see if I can find it later.

Seems there was confusion over which one was questioned when Lorenzo was and of course neither of them are in the Dr Phil documents.

I recall pictures of both with their Dads. Max', that is were posted not so long ago on the NAH thread.

Hi Mum
This info about Max has been around since the very first days, not even sure that it has ever been confirmed. I do recall it being said that Max and his family lived near the Sloots and that he often spent the night at Jorans. The most interesting point in this connection IMO is that his father is a member of the Lions Den uh I mean club.


Do you recall the first posts when Freddy was arrested?....Freddy Arends? ::MonkeyConfused::

Don't ever recall a Freddy Arends. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 01, 2008, 08:00:15 PM
I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb
Jack I thought the same thing...How else would Joran so confidently say that She was a virgin..... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2008, 08:08:17 PM
Mum

I do remember the initial Freddy Arends.  I think it was a mistake and corrected.  Found this at websleuths:

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Honestly,I'm having real confusion over Freddies name.When I first,I meen very first,heard about those arrests of K2 and Freddie the other day I heard some newscaster on TV say his name was Frederick Arends or F.A.I know y'all are gonna think I'm crazy!!!I found an aruban list,it's in dutch so I couldn't read the title above the list,but I was doing a search on aruban students looking for the correct spelling of Arambatzis and this list came up and there is a Frederick Jacinthus Arends on list. It says he lives in Catiri Aruba,which is right by Oranjestad.Ok everyone tell me I'm a nut!!!I'll admit it freely.


I've seen discussion elsewhere about this. I think there is indeed a Freddy Arends and there are others who heard reports that it was Arends who was arrested, but the last name got corrected quickly to the right guy.
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28293&page=7


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 08:10:42 PM
I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb
Jack I thought the same thing...How else would Joran so confidently say that She was a virgin..... ::MonkeyShocked::

Great minds think alike.  LOL  I did not, however know that acknowledged that what I believe IS a fact that she was a virgin.  Did he mention this first?  I was never clear about who put that out there first.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2008, 08:16:01 PM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 08:22:11 PM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

Croes?  Which Croes said that.  Croes was not supposed to know anything, was he?  Also, those sorry azzed people down there probably have never seen a virgin before and assumed since she said she was that she would be of that persuasion.
She was just a nice girl.  That seems to be unheard of down there.  She really was out of her element down there as she was too trustful.   Jack/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 08:26:10 PM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

Croes?  Which Croes said that.  Croes was not supposed to know anything, was he?  Also, those sorry azzed people down there probably have never seen a virgin before and assumed since she said she was that she would be of that persuasion.
She was just a nice girl.  That seems to be unheard of down there.  She really was out of her element down there as she was too trustful.   Jack/b

So, you are saying Vanity Fair got an interview from Steve Croes?  We all know what a rag that thing is.  Popular, but a gift to the left wing.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 08:45:03 PM
I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb
Jack I thought the same thing...How else would Joran so confidently say that She was a virgin..... ::MonkeyShocked::

Great minds think alike.  LOL  I did not, however know that acknowledged that what I believe IS a fact that she was a virgin.  Did he mention this first?  I was never clear about who put that out there first.   j/b

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2008, 08:55:55 PM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

Croes?  Which Croes said that.  Croes was not supposed to know anything, was he?  Also, those sorry azzed people down there probably have never seen a virgin before and assumed since she said she was that she would be of that persuasion.
She was just a nice girl.  That seems to be unheard of down there.  She really was out of her element down there as she was too trustful.   Jack/b

So, you are saying Vanity Fair got an interview from Steve Croes?  We all know what a rag that thing is.  Popular, but a gift to the left wing.  j/b

Charles Croes, listening to Joran, the first night.  Beth did not mention it first.  Joran did.  If Natalee said any of these things, it was in desperation IMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2008, 08:59:06 PM
Max Arends (the eyebrow one) went to school with Joran.  His sister posted under the nic Adella, at websleuths, early on.  I can't find her original post, but this summary is accurate with my recollection:

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Wasn't there an Arens and an Arends? I can't remember exactly, but I think Adella's brother was concerned that his name was very similar to someone else's.

I found the old thread but could not get it to work to show everyone. Adella said the one arrested was Macito Arendez and NOT her brother Max Arrend. She said that the media was wanting him to do interviews since he knew Joran and that is how his name got out there.

I really miss her posting. 


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26041&page=10


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 01, 2008, 09:00:37 PM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

Croes?  Which Croes said that.  Croes was not supposed to know anything, was he?  Also, those sorry azzed people down there probably have never seen a virgin before and assumed since she said she was that she would be of that persuasion.
She was just a nice girl.  That seems to be unheard of down there.  She really was out of her element down there as she was too trustful.   Jack/b

So, you are saying Vanity Fair got an interview from Steve Croes?  We all know what a rag that thing is.  Popular, but a gift to the left wing.  j/b

Charles Croes, listening to Joran, the first night.  Beth did not mention it first.  Joran did.  If Natalee said any of these things, it was in desperation IMO.
I Agree Buckeye! Natalee probably said that right before They raped Her...thinking that maybe that would make Them stop Assaulting Her.... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 01, 2008, 09:41:02 PM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

Croes?  Which Croes said that.  Croes was not supposed to know anything, was he?  Also, those sorry azzed people down there probably have never seen a virgin before and assumed since she said she was that she would be of that persuasion.
She was just a nice girl.  That seems to be unheard of down there.  She really was out of her element down there as she was too trustful.   Jack/b

So, you are saying Vanity Fair got an interview from Steve Croes?  We all know what a rag that thing is.  Popular, but a gift to the left wing.  j/b

Charles Croes, listening to Joran, the first night.  Beth did not mention it first.  Joran did.  If Natalee said any of these things, it was in desperation IMO.
I Agree Buckeye! Natalee probably said that right before They raped Her...thinking that maybe that would make Them stop Assaulting Her.... ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe she did too, and I truly believe she was unspoiled until they raped her.
I think they need to die for what they did.  They took everything from her when they did that.  She was, I believe trying to wait until she was married.  People do that.  There are some people who are above promiscuity and who think highly enough of themselves to know that giving themselves to someone outside marriage is not in their best interest in the long run.  It can work out, I suppose, but she seemed like she believed in the Bible as was indicated in her Journal.  She just seemed like a good girl out of her element.  Perhaps trying to test the waters of being part of a group who was doing what they normally do to have a good time.  She seemed to enjoy making good in school and dedicating her life to help others.  It really is a shame that she got caught up in the depravity of those gutless wonders.   Jackb.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 01, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
Found an ******* quote about Max.  (Original) Link doesn't work.

June 19, 2005

AG: here's a post from "Adella" from Aruba on websleuths yesterday i believe. It adresses the two max situation.

Hold your horses!!!!

I've been trying to keep up with the posts because I left of yesterday before part 6 was even closed....but when I got to post 101 I was shocked! And I started to quickly glance over everything to post an update already!!!

I have to say, YOU GUYS ARE FAST@! This Max Arends is my brother! He's at home, chillin' all freaked out because you already know him! He is actually Joran's class-mate and exactly the person I was mentioning in part 6 that CNBC is desperately trying to contact for a 'simple' interview. He didn't want to participate since they want to question him by himself and they want a possitive side of Joran, I think as well as he think that they will EAT HIM ALIVE if he does that!

Anyhow, he's not the Max Arends that being arrested, this is another Max Arends who I happen to know as well, his name is actually not Max Arends, but Maxito, and his last name is Arendsz. I'm not sure what's happening to him right now, but I already have someone trying to find that out.

Again, my borther is not arrested and has anything to do with this



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.520


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 01, 2008, 10:09:25 PM
Found an ******* quote about Max.  (Original) Link doesn't work.

June 19, 2005

AG: here's a post from "Adella" from Aruba on websleuths yesterday i believe. It adresses the two max situation.

Hold your horses!!!!

I've been trying to keep up with the posts because I left of yesterday before part 6 was even closed....but when I got to post 101 I was shocked! And I started to quickly glance over everything to post an update already!!!

I have to say, YOU GUYS ARE FAST@! This Max Arends is my brother! He's at home, chillin' all freaked out because you already know him! He is actually Joran's class-mate and exactly the person I was mentioning in part 6 that CNBC is desperately trying to contact for a 'simple' interview. He didn't want to participate since they want to question him by himself and they want a possitive side of Joran, I think as well as he think that they will EAT HIM ALIVE if he does that!

Anyhow, he's not the Max Arends that being arrested, this is another Max Arends who I happen to know as well, his name is actually not Max Arends, but Maxito, and his last name is Arendsz. I'm not sure what's happening to him right now, but I already have someone trying to find that out.

Again, my borther is not arrested and has anything to do with this



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.520



I think Adella is correct.  There are two men on the Lions Club list that have these close spellings - Arands and Arandsz.  CAPS sent us looking for the Tail Twister who spelled his name Arandsz.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 01, 2008, 11:33:34 PM

one local says Maxito Arendsz arrested ...

another local, Maxito's BFF, says he/Maxito
don't know Lorenzo or JvdS/his 3 chocolate buddies

Found an ******* quote about Max.  (Original) Link doesn't work.

June 19, 2005

AG: here's a post from "Adella" from Aruba on websleuths yesterday i believe. It adresses the two max situation.

Hold your horses!!!!

I've been trying to keep up with the posts because I left of yesterday before part 6 was even closed....but when I got to post 101 I was shocked! And I started to quickly glance over everything to post an update already!!!

I have to say, YOU GUYS ARE FAST@! This Max Arends is my brother! He's at home, chillin' all freaked out because you already know him! He is actually Joran's class-mate and exactly the person I was mentioning in part 6 that CNBC is desperately trying to contact for a 'simple' interview. He didn't want to participate since they want to question him by himself and they want a possitive side of Joran, I think as well as he think that they will EAT HIM ALIVE if he does that!

Anyhow, he's not the Max Arends that being arrested, this is another Max Arends who I happen to know as well, his name is actually not Max Arends, but Maxito, and his last name is Arendsz. I'm not sure what's happening to him right now, but I already have someone trying to find that out.

Again, my borther is not arrested and has anything to do with this

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.520

I think Adella is correct.  There are two men on the Lions Club list that have these close spellings - Arands and Arandsz.  CAPS sent us looking for the Tail Twister who spelled his name Arandsz.

Board of Directors 2005-2006
 
Lion Tamer Adriaan J. Arendsz

chech the Lion Tamer  any business

august 3/4, 2005

Peeps: I am the owner of Boost Unit website and the webmaster of the speedshop. I don't know what your deal is with us or anything. We don't know that teen Joran nor his 3 chocolate factory buddies.

Peeps: This is not the first time that somebody wants to connect us with the fatass dutchy.

Peeps: Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusations. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. That's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto " minding our own business"

omega: Can you please tell me to whom you refer when you wrote "...Joran and his three chocolate factory buddies." Who are these 3 individuals? Thanks so much.

Peeps: I did a typo, I meant 2 chocolate buddies.

Ms DarthVada: I thought he meant 3, meaning, deepak, satish and freddy. haha

karen: thank you, peeps! just to be sure..we are talking about the maxito arendsz, who is in his 20's? i know there is also a max arends, could that be the one they meant?

Peeps: He's 26. The same as me. He's the same person. Maxito = Little Max in papiamento. A childhood name that got stuck till now.

2-3 weeks later ...

Peeps: Alright guys, I just found out a little detail: There are 2 Max's on the island. But....the difference lies in the last name: Max Arends - @20 years old. And associated with Joran. Max Arendsz - 26 years old. Owner of the Speed Shop and has no clue who Joran and his posse is. Somehow, the names got mixed up and misleading info spread like wild fire. Anyhow, back on topic.

minutes later ...

Peeps: From my uber reliable source, the local detectives searched his house twice already, but what to do if you can't find anything.
 
The police know about the parties, etc etc. And they also agree that LVR is a little kwak kwak in the head.

Anyhow, I got this pic from a source of mine, which I think will be the only pic you'll be able to find of him.

This is from his van, and guess who's driving.
So there, I helped you guys a little. I hope I don't get shafted like many helpful Arubians have been misused / abused in the past by los americanos.

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7466/piwannabee6fq.jpg

Don't ask me for more.
Don't ask me for higher resolution.
Don't ask me for bigger pictures.
I still stand by my opinion that you guys are losing your time with this fellow.
See you next time

Quote from: JE
march 22, 2008
If the general belief is that Simian and Merian Ernest are one and the same
then Alcazar's Revenge makes another good candidate for being simian

I googled Alczars revenge and this came up, off the wall like i said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bishop

Mary Bishop was a fictional character on the American soap opera General Hospital.

some quotes from the wiki page:

Mary discovered that the stranger Nikolas spoke to was Lorenzo Alcazar
They painted Emily as a scorned lover that couldn't let go of Connor.
Mary received her medication and went into cardiac arrest and later died.
It was discovered that Mary had been given the wrong medication.
Suspicion fell on Emily since she was alone with the medicine cart and threatened Mary.
The mystery of her murder was never solved,
although many believe she was killed by Lorenzo Alcazar.


Probably nothing but some of the terms used jumped out

just a thought

Alcazar's Revenge: attitude/post style reminds me of Peeps aka Andry Lopez



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 01, 2008, 11:38:21 PM

I messed up those quote boxes big-time!

sorry, SS.   :oops:




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 01, 2008, 11:43:40 PM

I messed up those quote boxes big-time!

sorry, SS.   :oops:




What do you think about starting a thread for the peeps quotes?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 02, 2008, 12:10:23 AM
What do you think about starting a thread for the peeps quotes?

good idea IMO

there's an older thread in NH board/5 pages:
Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts

race junkies = the crowd from the speed shop IIRC

bumped it to first page of NH index

perhaps admin could move it to sim/shango board ...
or do you want to start over fresh?

I'll follow your lead, either way  :cool:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 02, 2008, 12:26:57 AM
I remember seeing Joran state on the news that NH had told him that she was a virgin......though he never stated whether or not he had asked her (or anybody else) the question

Maybe she was until they gang-raped her, before trying to take he to someone else and pass her off as still being unspoiled.  They probably realized it and threatened Joran and his gang of aholes.  jackb
Jack I thought the same thing...How else would Joran so confidently say that She was a virgin..... ::MonkeyShocked::

Great minds think alike.  LOL  I did not, however know that acknowledged that what I believe IS a fact that she was a virgin.  Did he mention this first?  I was never clear about who put that out there first.   j/b

Also thought I would put this tidbit here. 

Dutch interior minister under fire for behavior in tsunami-hit Thailand.

From:
    Xinhua News Agency
Date:
    January 4, 2005
More results for:
    Johan Remkes | Copyright information COPYRIGHT 2005 COMTEX News Network, Inc. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan.  All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group.

BRUSSELS, Jan 4, 2005 (Xinhua via COMTEX)

The Dutch parliament has criticized Interior Minister Johan Remkes for his behavior while on vacation in Thailand, Radio Netherlands reported on Tuesday.

The Socialist Party of the Netherlands said the minister's behavior was "scandalous" while the Christian Democrats reproached Remkes for his lack of empathy.

Although Remkes has been in Thailand since Dec. 26, 2004 when the tsunami occurred, he has yet to visit the victims of the disaster, according to the radio.

The minister has since announced he ... (that is all I got without signing up and I didn't want to, j/b)


---------------------------------------------------

 Playboy Johan Remkes heeft huizen in Brazilië en Thailand (op het ... en ook naar thailand misschien bij remkes als hulpje huis ... Remkes heeft geen huis ...
www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/003211.html - 89k - Cached

So, Johan likes Thailand.  (Wonder if there is a Marten Van den berg connection?) Jackb



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 02, 2008, 12:31:12 AM
It sure is quiet in here tonight.  There are echoes.  Is this the quiet before a big storm?   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 12:38:20 AM
It sure is quiet in here tonight.  There are echoes.  Is this the quiet before a big storm?   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
I sure Hope So SS.....The Calm before the Storm....We need to hear some good news.....For some reason I think We will before to long..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 12:45:59 AM
Brought over from N/H Thread Quote by Jackb


 Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVS for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Remkes=Rem Keys


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 02, 2008, 12:53:55 AM
Brought over from N/H Thread Quote by Jackb


 Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVS for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Remkes=Rem Keys


Hotping, that is really a clever thought.  It's so late, it's so quiet, and you are on a roll. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 01:04:13 AM
Brought over from N/H Thread Quote by Jackb


 Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVS for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Remkes=Rem Keys


Hotping, that is really a clever thought.  It's so late, it's so quiet, and you are on a roll. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
It wasn't mine it was Jackb's clever thought I just agreed with Him.... ::MonkeyWink:: But Jack and I Thank You...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 02, 2008, 01:16:29 AM
Brought over from N/H Thread Quote by Jackb


 Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVS for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Remkes=Rem Keys


Hotping, that is really a clever thought.  It's so late, it's so quiet, and you are on a roll. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
It wasn't mine it was Jackb's clever thought I just agreed with Him.... ::MonkeyWink:: But Jack and I Thank You...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

I know Remkes has no "Y", but it sounds like more than one dirtyhand(s.)
He supposed to be a playboy, too.  Goes to Thailand.  Wonder if he knows our friend and "lover of the unfeathered" Martin Vandenberg.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 02, 2008, 01:18:46 AM
Brought over from N/H Thread Quote by Jackb


 Could it be:  That since Remkeys (min. of the interior in Aruba) has the name REMKEYS.  He is Dirtyhand, the KEY.  There are many dirtyhands. Remkeys.
Someone may be trying to say something.  Afterall he did recommend PVS for that job.  I have seen stranger stuff.  Not so far out.   Jack Blue

Remkes=Rem Keys


Hotping, that is really a clever thought.  It's so late, it's so quiet, and you are on a roll. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
It wasn't mine it was Jackb's clever thought I just agreed with Him.... ::MonkeyWink:: But Jack and I Thank You...  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

I know Remkes has no "Y", but it sounds like more than one dirtyhand(s.)
He supposed to be a playboy, too.  Goes to Thailand.  Wonder if he knows our friend and "lover of the unfeathered" Martin Vandenberg.   Jackb

I did say "friend" but you know I did not meant friend.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 02, 2008, 01:41:07 AM
In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.

right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?
she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.



CAPS sent us running in a lot of different directions last night in search of the party goers at Brickel Bay that night.  Now that I have had some sleep and I've been able to get a little settled in my thoughts, I keep going back to one BIG piece of information that he shared.  I am so repulsed by the idea that Julia could have been at that private party where Natalee may have met her demise.  How could any woman be present where unsuspecting young girls are drugged and taken advantage of?  How could she even face Beth and portray herself as a helpful friend knowing what she had been a part of?  If what CAPS is telling us is correct, this woman is more evil than we can possibly imagine.  I wonder if Beth and Dave have any idea of her possible involvement.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
I can somewhat understand how Chemaly or Jossy could be lying to protect illegal and lucrative interests, but any woman who could watch or even be aware of men abusing young women is beyond me. Perhaps Julia's lack of character is the reason why we know so little about her background.  I just feel so devastated and I no longer want to boycott crappy island, I want to sink that entire sandbar.

This concept is totally distasteful to any one who has a shred of goodness or morality in them.
However it is entirely possible from what we have leaned of the person concerned and their persuasions.  A woman would be a good scout for likely girls and and it could be part of their job description to obtain girls for the perverted old men and/or human trafficking to other nearby countries.
There was a well documented case here where a middle aged woman lured an innocent teenage schoolgirl into her clutches and took her home for her depraved husband to enjoy a virgin so he would love the woman more.  They then both killed the girl and dumped her body.  They are spending the rest of their sorry lives at Her Majesty's pleasure.  So yes, there are such evil and perverted woman in society.
Maybe not all of Shango's dirty hands were male.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 02, 2008, 01:50:11 AM
Now that my head has stopped spinning....let's continue. LOL


What about Freddy?  Why would Kalpoes say he needs to tell the truth?  Was he the movie guy at the party?   Seems that Joran is missing from a lot of the equations from yesterday...where does he fit into all this?  Why does it matter if Natalee was a virgin or not?  I am a little lost on that particular aspect.  It doesn't change what happened to her, or does it?   Just a few questions that jumped out at me yesterday...questions that I am sure many will eventually ask concerning the info from yesterday.  Thinking outside the box can be a good thing.



I agree with you completely.  Why is Natalee's virginity even an issue in this? ::MonkeyConfused::  My occupation involves kids that are Natalee's age, and I can assure you that not very many of them are virgins.  Why did this even become an issue?  ::MonkeyConfused::  Yesterday, CAPS seemed to be focusing on this very subject and he wanted to know how the virginity question originated.  IIRC the MB girls had said that as friends they had discussed their virginity.  I think that Beth also gave some kind of a statement about Natalee having had a recent GYN examination and that her doctor had said she was a virgin. Why is all of this even important?  Was someone trying to portray her as being sexually provocative and therefore anything that Joran did was justified?  Give me a break. ::MonkeyWaa:: Was this Beth's response to character assaults on Natalee?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Her virginity made her more of a "prize" for the perverts and enabled a higher price to be  negotiated for her, if this was the intention.

I also remember Joran, aka "blabbermouth", stating that Natalee told him she was a virgin, along with the other unlikely statements she was purported to make of Beth being Hitler's sister, the Kalpoes being slaves and going to see sharks in pitch darkness.  All of which smacks of coaching by Anita IMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 02, 2008, 01:53:53 AM
I get busy for a couple of days and then find I am pages behind in this thread.
Enjoying the theories and the discussions although it does feel like deja vu a lot of the time.

A question for Caps :  Where you actually on Aruba in May and June 2005?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Tibrogargan on April 02, 2008, 02:00:46 AM
Link for the story of the girl mentioned above :

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/extras/oq/book10watts.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 02:59:36 AM
Link for the story of the girl mentioned above :

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/extras/oq/book10watts.html



No was not in Aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 03:15:22 AM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is soved.

CAPS says: the issue that confued the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 03:22:31 AM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic to confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now, how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee or which one is Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress. keeps tose names. need them later

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board and reassamble phase.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 05:06:46 AM
Joran Confessed Something Bad Happend
Saturday, June 11, 2005

Oduber came back and did damage control
Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 11:34 PM EDT (0334 GMT)

 
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber stressed Sunday night that his government "is doing the utmost" to solve the disappearance of an Alabama teen.

"We hope that we will find Natalee Holloway alive, and are still praying that there is nothing bad that has happened to her," Oduber told reporters nearly two weeks after she was reported missing.


Blonde…Thanks…Rob

It appears that Oduber did in fact return on June 9th....Now I wonder where he was on May 29th. 2005 ::MonkeyWink::


Zoltan Zion: Aru-Bay Missing Video
Please remember that Prime Minister Nelson Oduber returned from Fort Lauderdale on the morning of 6/9/2005 and gave a press conference at 11 am on the case. ...zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/aru-bay-missing-video.html

About a quarter of the way down there is a picture of them together…

Perhaps Prime Minister Oduber might have managed to come up with a more sincere hug for Beth on June 9, 2005, if he could have foreseen then the eventual economic results of his tepid concern for solving Natalee's disappearance.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/posts-by:shebacal/



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 05:19:24 AM
Max Arends – questioned & released on 6-17-05.
Paul Van Der Sloot arrested 6-23-05
Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – arrested 8-26-06 not directly related to case



Blonde…Thanks I found the Fox News story about Max Arends and checked the calendar…LOL

Here is the link to what Jossy said about Freddy being held in the beginning. To me this means arrested. I have documented this and posted on Freddy many times. As my last post, after Tamikosmom found there appears to be statements of Freddy’s missing, is really long, I will refrain from reposting...LOL

Jossy and statement here:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/08/26/freddie-locoman-pimp-questioned-before-sells-sex-video/


In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this.  Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 05:37:42 AM
Vanity Fair:

Croes could see Joran's mind working. Finally, he said, "We didn't go directly to the Holiday Inn. She wanted us to drive around. The girl was crazy. She was just crazy." According to Croes, Joran said Natalee then told him three things as they drove north past the Holiday Inn: that her mother was "like Hitler," that she was a virgin, and that she was a lesbian. She begged him to take her to a beach where she had heard she could see sharks, but Joran told her that was a local myth. She told him she wanted to have sex.

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

Thanks for posting this Buckeye.

Charles Croes certainly had some interesting things to say. I still ponder the phychic, but think we got to the bottom of the 'major friend' one.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 05:56:35 AM
Found an ******* quote about Max.  (Original) Link doesn't work.

June 19, 2005

AG: here's a post from "Adella" from Aruba on websleuths yesterday i believe. It adresses the two max situation.

Hold your horses!!!!

I've been trying to keep up with the posts because I left of yesterday before part 6 was even closed....but when I got to post 101 I was shocked! And I started to quickly glance over everything to post an update already!!!

I have to say, YOU GUYS ARE FAST@! This Max Arends is my brother! He's at home, chillin' all freaked out because you already know him! He is actually Joran's class-mate and exactly the person I was mentioning in part 6 that CNBC is desperately trying to contact for a 'simple' interview. He didn't want to participate since they want to question him by himself and they want a possitive side of Joran, I think as well as he think that they will EAT HIM ALIVE if he does that!

Anyhow, he's not the Max Arends that being arrested, this is another Max Arends who I happen to know as well, his name is actually not Max Arends, but Maxito, and his last name is Arendsz. I'm not sure what's happening to him right now, but I already have someone trying to find that out.

Again, my borther is not arrested and has anything to do with this



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2103.520


Thanks Buckeye…Here is what I found on Max Arends…and the link: This article also has the fact that a Dutch man was questioned the previous night.
++++
Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159970,00.html

The post about Freddy Arends, that I referred to from Scuba was from August, and the name quickly changed to Arambatzis.

I researched the Frederick Arends that you referenced after Kermit posted  Freddy Zedan’s address as 7A Catiri. This was said to be Freddy’s apartment.

There is also the question as to why Freddy was secretly released in September when the Kalpoes were paraded in front of the TV cameras. I guess some-one didn’t want us to see his face.

I have asked Caps many times about the 7A Catiri address and about Freddy...still waiting!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 06:20:48 AM
Quote jackb: « Reply #704 on: April 01, 2008, 08:45:03 PM »

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.


Thank You jackb  for posting this. So Rudy appointed this guy, who in turn appointed Paulus. And Rudy also appointed the Police Commissioners, some with obviously no qualifications.

I wonder if he was really in Holland and returned on June 3rd. Just because Aruban press said so, doesn't make it so.

Great candidate for Arawak Dirty Hand along with his brother Hendrick!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 07:00:27 AM
Link for the story of the girl mentioned above :

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/extras/oq/book10watts.html




Hi Tib...Nice to see you again. Thanks for posting this story. I had never heard of it. Some sick people out there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 08:20:36 AM
What do you think about starting a thread for the peeps quotes?

good idea IMO

there's an older thread in NH board/5 pages:
Lorenzo - June 2005 information and RaceJunkies posts

race junkies = the crowd from the speed shop IIRC

bumped it to first page of NH index

perhaps admin could move it to sim/shango board ...
or do you want to start over fresh?

I'll follow your lead, either way  :cool:



I think it would be good to have a peeps thread in this section. Since you have the quotes, it would make it easier to refer to, IMO. Maybe some others can weigh in?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 08:35:48 AM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is soved.

CAPS says: the issue that confued the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.


I have seen her credited for photos in some articles.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 09:25:26 AM
Post MAX ARENDS
Fourth Person Held in Aruba Mystery
Friday, June 17, 2005
...Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

Three Aruba Suspects Going to Prison
Saturday, June 18, 2005
...Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159970,00.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 09:51:06 AM
Post MAX ARENDS
Fourth Person Held in Aruba Mystery
Friday, June 17, 2005
...Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

Three Aruba Suspects Going to Prison
Saturday, June 18, 2005
...Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159970,00.html



Blonde…Good Morning…I am not sure what you are trying to tell me here. I just posted this link above about Max Arends, I went and found it last night as all I had to go on was what was in the Important Documents thread.

FWIW and IMO…Just because Fox, CNN or whatever news says 4th. 5th. or 9th. suspect arrested does not make it so. Aruba gloated over the fact that the US news was so misinformed.

Maybe even what Jossy said about Freddy Zedan was wrong, but I have posted more than enough information on this to make it feasible. (For me anyway). Jossy’s interview was just the icing on the cake.

As I have stated before, it all comes down to which of the lies from Aruba one wants to believe. One can’t say they lied on some things and then just accept blindly information they gave to the US press on other things.

Again…just my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 10:20:18 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
Are we trying to determine Oduber's whereabouts on the night in question?  Just wondering why all the stuff about him being in USA which has been known for a while.  I think I am mixed up on the reasoning here...somebody please explain. TIA

Morning monkeys.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 10:45:50 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde

Not bad Blonde, IMO. I know I have done the same thing many times.


Mum,

Blonde has so much material saved, it is unreal. If you need something from the past, Blonde can usually find it for you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
Question to all:

From the Group of girls who left Aruba before the trip ended.

With who did beth flow down to aruba in the Airplane?

Need names




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 10:51:27 AM
Question to all:

From the Group of girls who left Aruba before the trip ended.

With who did beth flow down to aruba in the Airplane?

Need names




I don't have that info at this time...maybe someone else will remember. Morning.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:00:10 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 11:00:39 AM
Question to all:

From the Group of girls who left Aruba before the trip ended.

With who did beth flow down to aruba in the Airplane?

Need names




Beth, Jug, Jodi Bearman, Mat Whatley, and Ruffner Page were on the plane, IIRC.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 02, 2008, 11:00:59 AM
Question to all:

From the Group of girls who left Aruba before the trip ended.

With who did beth flow down to aruba in the Airplane?

Need names



Caps,
I was re-reading portions of Beth's book last night.  The people that she said went with her were Jug, Jodi (planned trip & her daughter had also been on the trip), Matt (whose daughter had been on the trip) and G. Ruffner Page (Virginia's father).  I don't think any of the girls actually traveled with her.  I don't have the book with me, but I think the above were the only ones she said went with her. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 02, 2008, 11:01:47 AM
Quote jackb: « Reply #704 on: April 01, 2008, 08:45:03 PM »

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.


Thank You jackb  for posting this. So Rudy appointed this guy, who in turn appointed Paulus. And Rudy also appointed the Police Commissioners, some with obviously no qualifications.

I wonder if he was really in Holland and returned on June 3rd. Just because Aruban press said so, doesn't make it so.

Great candidate for Arawak Dirty Hand along with his brother Hendrick!

No, Rudy did NOT appoint Remkes.  Rudy would have had to request his help.  Rudy is not in a position to appoint (then) Remkes.  The Ministry is called the "mother" of all departments as they oversee so many different agencies in the Antilles and NL.  Rudy did, however call upon Remkes to send the NL help it seems and Remkes is the one who is the one who is supposed to have recommended PVS to his job.

I wonder if Joran's name has been changed from Johan?  Makes me wonder if he was named after this minister.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 11:04:27 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!


It was a mistake but that's JMO...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 11:04:56 AM
Good moring all, been up whole night,

Another question:

From all the Casino's enterprises in Aruba, Who own more than one or operate more than one in Aruba?

The casino must have a link into USA. either via its operations or via the owners.

look at the AHATA's and see who operated or owns a Casino or is link to some one that has Casino.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:05:37 AM
Are we trying to determine Oduber's whereabouts on the night in question?  Just wondering why all the stuff about him being in USA which has been known for a while.  I think I am mixed up on the reasoning here...somebody please explain. TIA

Morning monkeys.


Lala's...I finally found the link to the OAS Florida summit the other day and also the one from I think May 23rd or so that was in Washington DC.
The Florida summit was from June 5-7 and he returned the morning of June 9th.

I need to go through the link of the DC summit and make sure he was there. I am trying to make sure that he was not in Aruba on May 29/30th.

Does that help?...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:10:48 AM
Quote jackb: « Reply #704 on: April 01, 2008, 08:45:03 PM »

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.


Thank You jackb  for posting this. So Rudy appointed this guy, who in turn appointed Paulus. And Rudy also appointed the Police Commissioners, some with obviously no qualifications.

I wonder if he was really in Holland and returned on June 3rd. Just because Aruban press said so, doesn't make it so.

Great candidate for Arawak Dirty Hand along with his brother Hendrick!

No, Rudy did NOT appoint Remkes.  Rudy would have had to request his help.  Rudy is not in a position to appoint (then) Remkes.  The Ministry is called the "mother" of all departments as they oversee so many different agencies in the Antilles and NL.  Rudy did, however call upon Remkes to send the NL help it seems and Remkes is the one who is the one who is supposed to have recommended PVS to his job.

I wonder if Joran's name has been changed from Johan?  Makes me wonder if he was named after this minister.   j/b


Thanks jackb for clearing that up...now I am bad....Do you perhaps have some links on that or idea where you found the information?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 02, 2008, 11:11:53 AM
I've locked the other Codetalker reference threads.  Let me know if we need to add to them and I will.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:15:59 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!


It was a mistake but that's JMO...


Thanks vms...I know you felt that when I asked about the address on the old thread. I can see it happening.

Just keeps gnawing away at me...LOL...along with the fact that Freddy was released secretly in September. And Ernesto being so quiet. I am wondering about Freddy being the 'protected witness'?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 11:16:22 AM
Are we trying to determine Oduber's whereabouts on the night in question?  Just wondering why all the stuff about him being in USA which has been known for a while.  I think I am mixed up on the reasoning here...somebody please explain. TIA

Morning monkeys.


Lala's...I finally found the link to the OAS Florida summit the other day and also the one from I think May 23rd or so that was in Washington DC.
The Florida summit was from June 5-7 and he returned the morning of June 9th.

I need to go through the link of the DC summit and make sure he was there. I am trying to make sure that he was not in Aruba on May 29/30th.

Does that help?...LOL

Yes, thank you.  I was trying to fit the Loesge posts into his being gone during that time and I could not.  As I understand it, Colombo believes there is something to those posts.  I guess I was just over thinking it all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 11:19:26 AM
I've locked the other Codetalker reference threads.  Let me know if we need to add to them and I will.

I suppose that makes them just reference material now.  That was a good idea.  Did you know that yellow hard hats down here in the South used to mean you worked for the power company?  I think now,they wear white ones, but it really did at one time.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 11:22:46 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!


It was a mistake but that's JMO...


Thanks vms...I know you felt that when I asked about the address on the old thread. I can see it happening.

Just keeps gnawing away at me...LOL...along with the fact that Freddy was released secretly in September. And Ernesto being so quiet. I am wondering about Freddy being the 'protected witness'?

Oops. Didn't realize I had already stated my opinion on that.  Sorry. Nothing like someone trying to push their own opinions over and over.  :oops:

It was just SO hard to muddle through all the info when it was happening...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 11:26:45 AM
Why couldn't Freddy have two addresses?  Would you not have different addresses if you owned more than one home or apartment or used one for business purposes?  If I am not mistaken, Kermit supplied that information and even though he's a sly green frog he is usually quite spot on with his information.  I wonder where he's been lately?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 02, 2008, 11:32:35 AM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julia3.jpg)
Julia clearly with her camera


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:34:35 AM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!


It was a mistake but that's JMO...


Thanks vms...I know you felt that when I asked about the address on the old thread. I can see it happening.

Just keeps gnawing away at me...LOL...along with the fact that Freddy was released secretly in September. And Ernesto being so quiet. I am wondering about Freddy being the 'protected witness'?

Oops. Didn't realize I had already stated my opinion on that.  Sorry. Nothing like someone trying to push their own opinions over and over.  :oops:

It was just SO hard to muddle through all the info when it was happening...


It was only the address bit. I asked about it when it was posted. LOL...I was hoping you wouldn't be offended that I didn't just listen to your opinion the first time.

Maybe it's just Freddy that is gnawing away at me...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:38:15 AM
Are we trying to determine Oduber's whereabouts on the night in question?  Just wondering why all the stuff about him being in USA which has been known for a while.  I think I am mixed up on the reasoning here...somebody please explain. TIA

Morning monkeys.


Lala's...I finally found the link to the OAS Florida summit the other day and also the one from I think May 23rd or so that was in Washington DC.
The Florida summit was from June 5-7 and he returned the morning of June 9th.

I need to go through the link of the DC summit and make sure he was there. I am trying to make sure that he was not in Aruba on May 29/30th.

Does that help?...LOL

Yes, thank you.  I was trying to fit the Loesge posts into his being gone during that time and I could not.  As I understand it, Colombo believes there is something to those posts.  I guess I was just over thinking it all.

For the Loesge posts to work, we have to have Oduber on Aruba that night. I have it bookmarked and will check it and let you know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 11:43:12 AM
Why couldn't Freddy have two addresses?  Would you not have different addresses if you owned more than one home or apartment or used one for business purposes?  If I am not mistaken, Kermit supplied that information and even though he's a sly green frog he is usually quite spot on with his information.  I wonder where he's been lately?  :roll:

I know Lala's...Kermit knows his stuff and that is why it has been bugging me! I can't even find out how close to the Sloot's it is or anything! I hope he stops in and sees us asking about it and lead me down the right path with this one.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 02, 2008, 11:45:41 AM
Quote jackb: « Reply #704 on: April 01, 2008, 08:45:03 PM »

ALSO:  This is IMPORTANT.  I goofed, it was not Chemaly (interior minister) as I had Chemaly of the brain.  It was:

Interior Minister Johan Remkes was called upon by Rudy Croes to take over the Natalee Holloway investigation in August of last year. Official Remkes is the individual who recommended Paulus van der Sloot be appointed to the bench of the Joint Court.


Thank You jackb  for posting this. So Rudy appointed this guy, who in turn appointed Paulus. And Rudy also appointed the Police Commissioners, some with obviously no qualifications.

I wonder if he was really in Holland and returned on June 3rd. Just because Aruban press said so, doesn't make it so.

Great candidate for Arawak Dirty Hand along with his brother Hendrick!

No, Rudy did NOT appoint Remkes.  Rudy would have had to request his help.  Rudy is not in a position to appoint (then) Remkes.  The Ministry is called the "mother" of all departments as they oversee so many different agencies in the Antilles and NL.  Rudy did, however call upon Remkes to send the NL help it seems and Remkes is the one who is the one who is supposed to have recommended PVS to his job.

I wonder if Joran's name has been changed from Johan?  Makes me wonder if he was named after this minister.   j/b


Thanks jackb for clearing that up...now I am bad....Do you perhaps have some links on that or idea where you found the information?   TIA

Which specific informaation are you referring to?  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 11:45:59 AM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julia3.jpg)
Julia clearly with her camera
Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julia3.jpg)
Julia clearly with her camera
Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

On the Night in question Julia was there. From the list of dirtyhands who would be Julia lover.

This is a touchi question, but that will clear a doubt


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 12:02:00 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julia3.jpg)
Julia clearly with her camera
Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

A better question is why would that poor guy be seen in a picture with them?....bad, bad monkey...slapping my own paws...bad, bad, bad.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 12:03:58 PM
Sorry Mum, sometimes I post before reading all posts and before coffee, bad Blonde


Blonde…I think I have had too much coffee…LOL

What I have been trying to work out is how the name Arends became attached to Freddy Zedan Arambatzis.(Will call him Zedan as not to confuse with the other A’s…LOL)

We know about Max Arends, Joran’s friend and Max Arendz, Lorenzo’s friend. In August when Freddy Zedan was arrested, somehow the name Arends came out first. It’s possible that it surfaced because it was mentioned back in June with young Max, Joran’s friend, on the 17th. Possibly somebody recalled it from then.

There is in fact a Frederick Arends, address 7A Catiri, who works with computers. Coincidently Freddy Zedan’s address for his apartment has been posted as 7A Catiri. It was also posted that Freddy Zedan was a computer whiz.

So is this just a simple mistake, two people morphed into one, again, or is there possibly an Arends connection to Freddy Zedan?

Confused?…LOL

Thanks vms...maybe Blonde can help...if she can understand my post...LOL

Good Morning all!


It was a mistake but that's JMO...


Thanks vms...I know you felt that when I asked about the address on the old thread. I can see it happening.

Just keeps gnawing away at me...LOL...along with the fact that Freddy was released secretly in September. And Ernesto being so quiet. I am wondering about Freddy being the 'protected witness'?

Oops. Didn't realize I had already stated my opinion on that.  Sorry. Nothing like someone trying to push their own opinions over and over.  :oops:

It was just SO hard to muddle through all the info when it was happening...


It was only the address bit. I asked about it when it was posted. LOL...I was hoping you wouldn't be offended that I didn't just listen to your opinion the first time.

Maybe it's just Freddy that is gnawing away at me...LOL

Not offended at all! An opinion is just that.  :lol:

ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS; 
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 12:12:24 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julia3.jpg)
Julia clearly with her camera
Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

A better question is why would that poor guy be seen in a picture with them?....bad, bad monkey...slapping my own paws...bad, bad, bad.  :roll:

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 12:12:43 PM

Kermit's info on Freddy and his address:

   
Page 114 Jorans book
Joran visits neighbor Freddy

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

Mom's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

WELCO
Catiri 1
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5871916
Fax:

PARADISE RESTAURANT
Catiri 5 A
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5879126
Fax:
5-TH GEAR ART PRODUCTIONS
Catiri 6
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5871241
Fax: (297) 5871241
Email: lemminga@setarnet.aw


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: pinkbanana on April 02, 2008, 12:16:14 PM
Hi all....u people r GREAT...one day I will join in with ya.... ::MonkeyWink::

d


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 12:16:50 PM
More from Kermit:  I think this is part of an interview with Art Wood.

Art: It could have been Freddy. I've seen a lot of interviews, one of those interviews talks about the fact Paul had gotten attorneys for thse kids the first week in June before they were even arrested. He got an attorney for Freddy, who wasn't even arrested until September. That tells you a lot an Freddy is one of the 5 people I mentioned earlier.

.
Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis,  is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.
FREDDY’S ATTORNEY: DIANE Emerencia, or Lady Eyes




TUESDAY,  MAY 31
 
sometime during the day ** Sander calls  Freddy. ** The conversation went concerning my telephone that was stolen ( SG - 6/17)



Freddy knew about the invented Holiday Inn and the tale which my brother and I and Joran told and that the missing girl was dropped off at the beach at the Marriott. My brother Deepak had told me that he and Joran invented the tale but to Freddy the beach tale was told.
Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement 06/24/05



Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement 06/30/05
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.


Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi.
(page 1 Joran's book)


Joran and Freddy often went to the beach. He got him in touch with the pretty girls.
(page 5 Joran's book)

Joran says Freddy introduced in to the paradise that had always been in front of him.
(Page 5 Joran's book)

together with Freddy and Jaime Joran would trawl the beaches and swimming pools to chat up tourists
(Page 1 Joran's book)


"the pimpology crew"

 Freddy was my best friend
(page 7 Joran's book and Freddy Zedan Witness Statement June 12th 2005)
I tell my father that I want to talk to Freddy to talk about this whole thing.
Freddy practically lives next to me and is one of my best friends.

DAVE: Any name that is mentioned in the interrogation was called in for questioning.
(Source: BFN - Dave Holloway shared with BFN Chat)

June 13, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
June 16, 2005 - Freddy Alexander Arambatzis statement
June 17, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
June 28, 2005 - Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis witness statement
July 1, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
July 20, 2005 - Freddy witness statement
Feb. 10, 2006 - Freddy witness statment


D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
(Polis tapes)


D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life.
Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I’ve just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows
(Polis tapes)




BENVINDA DE SOUZA - ATTORNEY : The rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers is based on the new facts and circumstances that in the course of the investigation have come forward. Freddy who is Joran’s best friend and neighbour is always with Joran a

The official charges on Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are intentionally distribute and show sexual images of a minor; intercourse with someone he knows is unconscious and sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years. I do believe he will remain in custody for quite some time. It is my understanding, that strategically he is a very important suspect along with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.(Helen Lejuez - Family's Aruban Attorney,Benvinda de Souza - Family's Aruban Attorney on At Large w/ Geraldo Rivera - August 27, 2005)


MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual



LEJUEZ: : She is a minor, so I won’t say anything about her. She has been involved in whatever the young man is being accused of right now. She is not the only one. The news we are getting right now is there are sex films that are being produced for selling. I think this information I am getting right now is bigger than even we expected.



Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.(Joran's book)



Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.," said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 12:21:05 PM
From Websleuths...VBulletin site 2005:


08-28-2005, 11:28 PM
rollerbladr123 rollerbladr123
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Arambatziz-Zedan
Confusion over Freddy's last name is said to result from naming conventions which can be difficult for some to interpret. Apparently the name of both parents or their family names are taken at birth and Zedan may be Freddy's Mother's maiden name.


08-29-2005, 03:43 AM
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Hey rollerbladr!!!!
Honestly,I'm having real confusion over Freddies name.When I first,I meen very first,heard about those arrests of K2 and Freddie the other day I heard some newscaster on TV say his name was Frederick Arends or F.A.I know y'all are gonna think I'm crazy!!!I found an aruban list,it's in dutch so I couldn't read the title above the list,but I was doing a search on aruban students looking for the correct spelling of Arambatzis and this list came up and there is a Frederick Jacinthus Arends on list. It says he lives in Catiri Aruba,which is right by Oranjestad.Ok everyone tell me I'm a nut!!!I'll admit it freely.

08-29-2005, 06:42 AM
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    I've seen discussion elsewhere about this. I think there is indeed a Freddy Arends and there are others who heard reports that it was Arends who was arrested, but the last name got corrected quickly to the right guy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 12:22:11 PM
Don't know if that helped or muddy the waters even more.  Just more food for thought...speaking of food...gosh, I am hungry now!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 12:23:30 PM
DVD LAND & CD
CATIRI 7-A, NOORD

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=31022


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 12:30:08 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic to confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now, how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee or which one is Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress. keeps tose names. need them later

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board and reassamble phase.



Partial Question was answer

A) she goes everywhere with the cam, but she was there becase she took the pictures and she was also IN the pictues XXX and now I need the Lion part of that XXX

The last question in my post was not answer.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
DVD LAND & CD
CATIRI 7-A, NOORD

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=31022


Thank You...vms and Lala's...that guy would be old enough to be Freddy's Dad! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 12:46:59 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic to confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now, how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee or which one is Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress. keeps tose names. need them later

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board and reassamble phase.



Partial Question was answer

A) she goes everywhere with the cam, but she was there becase she took the pictures and she was also IN the pictues XXX and now I need the Lion part of that XXX

The last question in my post was not answer.


Sorry Caps...I am behind trying to track down Oduber and Freddy. I don't know who the other blonde is.

Who is the Dirty Hand in the pic? And why would Julie go everywhere with her camera? I thought she was the reporter?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 12:50:51 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
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C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:00:52 PM

Lala’s…thanks for reminding me…I found this in two different places recently and haven’t tracked down the interview. Always had read that it was that 'Lady Eyes' with the same name as the fellow that went to Washington with the delegation! (It's in Lala's post somewhere...Emerencia?)

This guy was Satish’ lawyer…

CNN.com - Kalpoe lawyer blasts Holloway's mom - Jul 7, 2005
Jul 7, 2005 ... Elgin Zeppenfeldt, an attorney for Satish Kalpoe, accused Beth Holloway Twitty of making "prejudicial, inflammatory, libelous and totally ...www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/06/aruba.missing/ - 43k

     User Posts
ELGIN ZEPPENFELDT, ATTORNEY FOR FREDDY ARAMBATZIS: Only in Aruba is this possible. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you sure he‘s innocent? ...freerepublic.com/~shebacal/in-forum - 150k -



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:06:15 PM
Hi all....u people r GREAT...one day I will join in with ya.... ::MonkeyWink::

d


Hi...pinkbanana...sorry to miss you....jump right in next time....this is the thread to do it...LOL

OK...I know I post to myself at 4AM, but can't some-one help me out on that Dutch translation...please!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 01:09:09 PM
Question to all:

From the Group of girls who left Aruba before the trip ended.

With who did beth flow down to aruba in the Airplane?

Need names
From Loving Natalee Book
Jug, Jodi, and two fathers of the other girls who were on the trip. Mat and Ruffner will go with me. With Beth that would be 7 all together.
Remember the Fab 7


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 01:17:49 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 01:17:58 PM
Caps I was told this is Julia's Hubby(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia4.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 01:17:59 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Julia3.jpg)
Julia clearly with her camera
Does Anyone know who the blonde is beside Julia in this pic? TIA

A better question is why would that poor guy be seen in a picture with them?....bad, bad monkey...slapping my own paws...bad, bad, bad.  :roll:

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.
Minister Briezen --->Lowenstein group link


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 01:24:15 PM
Caps I was told this is Julia's Hubby(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia4.jpg)

Who else in Julia Organization is a Photographer...A movie was made that night in question. She was there she also was part in the xxx movie. Now hwo else in her organization was there.

I wonder if hubby was there, maybe the hubby is just a front.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:24:35 PM
Thanks Caps and Lala's...Anna told me once to look at Scubajap's old posts for misinformation on Freddy...and I just haven't gone back and found them.  Just who is Scuba again?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:26:58 PM
Caps I was told this is Julia's Hubby(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia4.jpg)

Who else in Julia Organization is a Photographer...A movie was made that night in question. She was there she also was part in the xxx movie. Now hwo else in her organization was there.

I wonder if hubby was there, maybe the hubby is just a front.


Caps...I saw something on a female photographer just last night...it could have been Angela, but I am not sure and I don't know where I saw it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:32:31 PM
Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:36:11 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Too much coincidence again...Kalpoes had to return Freddy's camera

Caps...just where is 7A Catiri?...TIA

And who the heck is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends really??? duoble TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 01:37:07 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:40:36 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

No good at Caps, Shango or COLUMBO riddles, but I’ll give it a shot..Take


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 02, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

Take 2?  or...that's a wrap/rap?  (I read earlier and had no clue what you were looking for....still don't...LOL)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 02, 2008, 01:45:26 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

ACTION


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:47:56 PM
Caps...Why can't Freddy be your camera person?  That's his MO...he was charged with taking pornographic pictures.

No body wants anything to stick to Freddy...this mind wants to know why?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 01:48:23 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 01:51:15 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Too much coincidence again...Kalpoes had to return Freddy's camera

Caps...just where is 7A Catiri?...TIA

And who the heck is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends really??? duoble TIA


this name is made up by the behavior specialist

And so it goes for the Ramos that suddenly is not from Baranquilla anymore. hehehe

just make a name up from people you have arrested before to cover a track....go wonder.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:53:15 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)


Thanks Blonde...that is who I was talking about...please don't ask me to spell her last name...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Too much coincidence again...Kalpoes had to return Freddy's camera

Caps...just where is 7A Catiri?...TIA

And who the heck is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends really??? duoble TIA


this name is made up by the behavior specialist

And so it goes for the Ramos that suddenly is not from Baranquilla anymore. hehehe

just make a name up from people you have arrested before to cover a track....go wonder.

So Freddy could be anyone...Sander, Koen, Jaime and the famous pic could be a fake!

Talk about bursting my bubble....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

Action


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 02:01:17 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)

Angela Munzenhofer


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 02:02:17 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL
Take Five...meaning take a break! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:03:05 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Too much coincidence again...Kalpoes had to return Freddy's camera

Caps...just where is 7A Catiri?...TIA

And who the heck is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends really??? duoble TIA


this name is made up by the behavior specialist

And so it goes for the Ramos that suddenly is not from Baranquilla anymore. hehehe

just make a name up from people you have arrested before to cover a track....go wonder.

So Freddy could be anyone...Sander, Koen, Jaime and the famous pic could be a fake!

Talk about bursting my bubble....


Caps...some-one was questioned all those times by ALE...there is a "Freddy". We just have to find his real name...my guess...he is the son of a lawyer....unless of course Paulus wasn't a Judge... then 'Freddy' is the son of a Judge.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 02, 2008, 02:05:34 PM
Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?

Found it....post by Kermit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg330276

Not to throw you off, but it had me thinking EB/AB....wondering if he had a son....just thinking...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 02:11:04 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Too much coincidence again...Kalpoes had to return Freddy's camera

Caps...just where is 7A Catiri?...TIA

And who the heck is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends really??? duoble TIA


this name is made up by the behavior specialist

And so it goes for the Ramos that suddenly is not from Baranquilla anymore. hehehe

just make a name up from people you have arrested before to cover a track....go wonder.

Now wait!  I need clarification now...which name is made up?  Freddy?  Who?  I am totally lost now. Help!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 02, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO

Put through translator....

A.  THE SELLING AND RENT VAN DVD AND CD.
B.  DE small trade IN ELECTRISCHE- AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND ARTICLES. 
C.  THE EXPLOITING VAN A FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, PHOTOGRAPHIC, AND AUDIO-, graphic business;
D.  THE IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE EXPLOIT
VAN AN ADVERTISING DESK;
C.  THE ADVISING AND GRANT VAN SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?

Found it....post by Kermit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg330276

Not to throw you off, but it had me thinking EB/AB....wondering if he had a son....just thinking...


Thanks 2NJSons...wonder what job the minister did before he became a minister

AB...I think Andin Bikker has been blamed for that one lately...then there is always Aaron Batzis...Really ... how could we believe anything out of ALE


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 02, 2008, 02:17:49 PM
I heard the person called AB was Albert Boekholdt. I don't know if this is true or not. I did find his myspace at one time and he has some of the pimps as friends.

Again, I have no idea if this guy is involved or if what I heard was even true.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:18:58 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO


Too much coincidence again...Kalpoes had to return Freddy's camera

Caps...just where is 7A Catiri?...TIA

And who the heck is Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends really??? duoble TIA


this name is made up by the behavior specialist

And so it goes for the Ramos that suddenly is not from Baranquilla anymore. hehehe

just make a name up from people you have arrested before to cover a track....go wonder.

Now wait!  I need clarification now...which name is made up?  Freddy?  Who?  I am totally lost now. Help!!


I think Caps is telling us the whole name is made up...They had arrested a Freddy and a Zedan at one time and put them together to make Freddy Zedan...to protect some-one.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:22:35 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO

Put through translator....

A.  THE SELLING AND RENT VAN DVD AND CD.
B.  DE small trade IN ELECTRISCHE- AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND ARTICLES. 
C.  THE EXPLOITING VAN A FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, PHOTOGRAPHIC, AND AUDIO-, graphic business;
D.  THE IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE EXPLOIT
VAN AN ADVERTISING DESK;
C.  THE ADVISING AND GRANT VAN SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE


Thanks Pita...I haven't found the Dutch translator yet.

They make movies


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 02, 2008, 02:26:27 PM
Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?

Found it....post by Kermit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg330276

Not to throw you off, but it had me thinking EB/AB....wondering if he had a son....just thinking...


Thanks 2NJSons...wonder what job the minister did before he became a minister

AB...I think Andin Bikker has been blamed for that one lately...then there is always Aaron Batzis...Really ... how could we believe anything out of ALE

Yes, I've read it...just was thinking.

Rob, I've read about your AB, too.  (I've never figured out how to put multiple quotes in one post after all this time...)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
Well, if that is true and it's a made up name someone really should tell Anita, Paulus, and the entire ALE...they sure questioned that guy a lot of times.  Also, someone needs to tell Deepak and Satish...they must have been going to an unknown person's place to return a camera and besides...Freddy needs to tell the truth...I trusted him...this doesn't sound made up to me...but then again  I am dumb...surely I have the wrong person. :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

Action

I do remeber he saying " Quite Please, CAMERA ROLLING, Action

Both Mary Rolled the night in question


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 02, 2008, 02:30:22 PM
Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?

Found it....post by Kermit.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.msg330276

Not to throw you off, but it had me thinking EB/AB....wondering if he had a son....just thinking...


Thanks 2NJSons...wonder what job the minister did before he became a minister

AB...I think Andin Bikker has been blamed for that one lately...then there is always Aaron Batzis...Really ... how could we believe anything out of ALE

Yes, I've read it...just was thinking.

Rob, I've read about your AB, too.  (I've never figured out how to put multiple quotes in one post after all this time...)



HI 2NJ, Andin Bikker is like 40 years old IIRC... but I think he does have a son...I'm not totally sure though.

And I'm not sure if AB is really Albert Boekholdt and that's why I have posted so infrequently about it. Just not sure.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 02:32:08 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO

Put through translator....

A.  THE SELLING AND RENT VAN DVD AND CD.
B.  DE small trade IN ELECTRISCHE- AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND ARTICLES. 
C.  THE EXPLOITING VAN A FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, PHOTOGRAPHIC, AND AUDIO-, graphic business;
D.  THE IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE EXPLOIT
VAN AN ADVERTISING DESK;
C.  THE ADVISING AND GRANT VAN SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE


Thanks Pita...I haven't found the Dutch translator yet.

They make movies


OK...I must be really, really stupid here...none of that could possibly be connected to anything I know...yep that's it...nothing there.  Just a nice little business with an studio apartment in the back for parties, sleepovers, etc.  Just overlook me I am rambling.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:35:30 PM
Caps…just where does Joran and the Kalpoes fit into all of this, with Julia and Briezen and what about young Godfreid where does he fit?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 02:37:09 PM
Well, if that is true and it's a made up name someone really should tell Anita, Paulus, and the entire ALE...they sure questioned that guy a lot of times.  Also, someone needs to tell Deepak and Satish...they must have been going to an unknown person's place to return a camera and besides...Freddy needs to tell the truth...I trusted him...this doesn't sound made up to me...but then again  I am dumb...surely I have the wrong person. :roll:

LALA: it is Fred but they have another name for him, The pen man got sick and just called, will see him. Lets call them aliases.

All took turn the cam wsa not on a tripod.. is was all over the maze. after all done, the reporter also rolled with the lions.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 02, 2008, 02:38:59 PM
Alvaro Boukhoudt

(http://i31.tinypic.com/ih1hc6.jpg)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=197468115


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 02:42:33 PM
Thanks Caps and Lala's...Anna told me once to look at Scubajap's old posts for misinformation on Freddy...and I just haven't gone back and found them.  Just who is Scuba again?

Rosalie Klein


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:43:49 PM
Does this say film production...????? I think so....

From vms' link

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE




Given Julia's premise that we are all totally stupid I am going with that word  meaning video production (s) and the other photographs.  So if I am wrong then it's to be expected. Freddy's studio was in that apartment...MOO

Put through translator....

A.  THE SELLING AND RENT VAN DVD AND CD.
B.  DE small trade IN ELECTRISCHE- AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND ARTICLES. 
C.  THE EXPLOITING VAN A FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, PHOTOGRAPHIC, AND AUDIO-, graphic business;
D.  THE IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE EXPLOIT
VAN AN ADVERTISING DESK;
C.  THE ADVISING AND GRANT VAN SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE


Thanks Pita...I haven't found the Dutch translator yet.

They make movies


OK...I must be really, really stupid here...none of that could possibly be connected to anything I know...yep that's it...nothing there.  Just a nice little business with an studio apartment in the back for parties, sleepovers, etc.  Just overlook me I am rambling.



Guess that makes two of us...stupid I mean...There is a Freddy whose last name was rumored to be Arends that has been charged with making porno movies and that it has been posted lives at that address. By that address I mean the one address that makes movies.

And ALE just invited this guy down to talk quite a few times while they were investigating Nat's Case.  But there really isn't a Freddy... I think I understand...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks vms...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 02:55:31 PM
Caps…just where does Joran and the Kalpoes fit into all of this, with Julia and Briezen and what about young Godfreid where does he fit?  TIA

Caps...In all the excitement of a nonexistant Freddy, I think you missed my question about J2Ks and "G"...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 02:57:43 PM
am in a position to know exactly what is going on with the Aruban media. And we only print the official news, what is confirmed and ok for release by the attornies and the public ministry-no speculation, no rumors
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 23, 2005 10:26:27 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_51.html#comments
_______
 know steve croes, I used to work with him.
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 17, 2005 1:38:37 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_34.html#comments
_______

want more I will start a thread LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 03:00:29 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

Action

I do remeber he saying " Quite Please, CAMERA ROLLING, Action

Both Mary Rolled the night in question

Behind again...Both Mary...Virgin Mary and the Mary that was not a virgin...I know you are not talking about Julia here!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 03:06:45 PM
Natalee's angel (Angela) or so she calls herself owns Bella Aruba Photography.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
am in a position to know exactly what is going on with the Aruban media. And we only print the official news, what is confirmed and ok for release by the attornies and the public ministry-no speculation, no rumors
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 23, 2005 10:26:27 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_51.html#comments
_______
 know steve croes, I used to work with him.
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 17, 2005 1:38:37 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_34.html#comments
_______

want more I will start a thread LOL



Blonde...I can't open the links....Might be a good idea to have all the lies in one place...be sure to grab the one by Melody that said Freddy had to go see his dying Dad in Venezuela...she added a smile


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
Caps…just where does Joran and the Kalpoes fit into all of this, with Julia and Briezen and what about young Godfreid where does he fit?  TIA

It you take MP and start connecting the dots or lets say the string, the classroom blackboard will be to small, Joran, are on the last string of strings pulling other strings.

Joran is a scapegoat because he dirty his hands with the desposal, he is the end of the last string, we see only that and we think that he is the big fish, but he is not. If I drop a pebbel in a pond, it will create circles, each circles will distance itself from each other. and Joran is at the and of the circle in the Natalee case. The big fish are in the center of the rings of the inistiating circle. The outer rings are far from the center ring, but it all started from the first center ring.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 03:28:16 PM
Caps…just where does Joran and the Kalpoes fit into all of this, with Julia and Briezen and what about young Godfreid where does he fit?  TIA

It you take MP and start connecting the dots or lets say the string, the classroom blackboard will be to small, Joran, are on the last string of strings pulling other strings.

Joran is a scapegoat because he dirty his hands with the desposal, he is the end of the last string, we see only that and we think that he is the big fish, but he is not. If I drop a pebbel in a pond, it will create circles, each circles will distance itself from each other. and Joran is at the and of the circle in the Natalee case. The big fish are in the center of the rings of the inistiating circle. The outer rings are far from the center ring, but it all started from the first center ring.





Thanks Caps...I think i understand what you are saying...J2Ks are the small fish. Joran is the scapegoat. But is he guilty? Is he the one that harmed Natalee? Dompig said all three were guilty? ALE knew she wasn't alive.What about the Kalpoes?

I think what you are saying is the 'Shango' story. but is that the true story?
Is this what you think happened to Natalee or is this the decoder story? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)

Angela Munzenhofer
Has anyone ever found that Angela might be Julia's sister....Also Guess what I think Julia's Mother's maiden name is White.....There was a codetalker that used the name Christy White......Angela Rae Renfro and Julia Christine Renfro at the same address in Winter Park Fl...along with Lois White Renfro and Ray Hornor Renfro....Could Angela be the Sister of Julia?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
07-10-2003, 10:51 PM (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f8/using-digital-camera-camcorders-aruba-6195/)

frank
 

Posts: n/a  Re: using digital camera and camcorders in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Lenny,
Yes, we are located in Aruba. Our complete address is:
DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels. Our telephone is 0297-5877376
You can also contact us by email at dvdland@surfaruba.com




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 03:35:33 PM
I said this a sunsrise

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he/she said ?????

What else did the director says.

This this casp riddle...anyone anyone

LOL

Action

I do remeber he saying " Quite Please, CAMERA ROLLING, Action

Both Mary Rolled the night in question

Behind again...Both Mary...Virgin Mary and the Mary that was not a virgin...I know you are not talking about Julia here!

LET The CAPS clarify this now.. I have been on this puzzle whole night and it was the most challange peace of the whole riddle.


To understand what I am saying, one must understand Boolean Logic is a bit complex in the begining but once you have master it, you can applied it to all type of situation. When someone says "I GO TO C&C every Week" and "I HAVE SEEN JORAN THERE" but "I DO NOT KNOW HIM" = THRU + THRU =  THRU,  the resolds can not be a FALSE logic

in the case of Natalee:

Natalee was not a Virgin (Thru Boolean Logic test of for a Person= Thru : Natalee is not Virginia)   
Julia was not a virgin (Thru Boolean Logic test of sexuality = Thru: Julia is not a virgin, she is older and have kids)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 03:36:55 PM
Hotping
This was discussed a while back on NAH...I wish I could remember more about it.  Seems one of our monkeys found photos of someone they thought was her sister and a few other comments.  I don't search well in the old LCD archives...gives me fits because nothing ever turns up for me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 03:40:36 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)

Angela Munzenhofer
Has anyone ever found that Angela might be Julia's sister....Also Guess what I think Julia's Mother's maiden name is White.....There was a codetalker that used the name Christy White......Angela Rae Renfro and Julia Christine Renfro at the same address in Winter Park Fl...along with Lois White Renfro and Ray Hornor Renfro....Could Angela be the Sister of Julia?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::

Maiden name for the Angela above is Dilorenzo.

Renfro's sister's last name (married) is Emory.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)

Angela Munzenhofer
Has anyone ever found that Angela might be Julia's sister....Also Guess what I think Julia's Mother's maiden name is White.....There was a codetalker that used the name Christy White......Angela Rae Renfro and Julia Christine Renfro at the same address in Winter Park Fl...along with Lois White Renfro and Ray Hornor Renfro....Could Angela be the Sister of Julia?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::


Not sure if I will be much help, but I think Angela has a sister. I just read this last night and was looking for something else and just skimmed over it. I am sorry, but I have no clue where I saw it and went to so many places last night tracking down Oduber. Same place I got Angela's name from as a photographer.

I remember Christy White, the codetalker.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 03:45:16 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)

Angela Munzenhofer
Has anyone ever found that Angela might be Julia's sister....Also Guess what I think Julia's Mother's maiden name is White.....There was a codetalker that used the name Christy White......Angela Rae Renfro and Julia Christine Renfro at the same address in Winter Park Fl...along with Lois White Renfro and Ray Hornor Renfro....Could Angela be the Sister of Julia?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::

Maiden name for the Angela above is Dilorenzo.

Renfro's sister's last name (married) is Emory.


Pic here : http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/subonlygate/test2000/110199.html

Her business: http://www.hawaiisportsmodels.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 03:52:35 PM
07-10-2003, 10:51 PM (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f8/using-digital-camera-camcorders-aruba-6195/)

frank
 

Posts: n/a  Re: using digital camera and camcorders in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Lenny,
Yes, we are located in Aruba. Our complete address is:
DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels. Our telephone is 0297-5877376
You can also contact us by email at dvdland@surfaruba.com





And did he tell the truth...or did he say there is no Freddy here?

If I could stop laughing I'd call...I have international long distance!

Caps...I am not laughing at you...I am laughing at Lala's. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 02, 2008, 03:53:47 PM
Thanks VMS MUM and LALA'S for the replies to My post! Could Julia have been the code talker Christy White? HMMMMM  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 03:55:57 PM
07-10-2003, 10:51 PM (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f8/using-digital-camera-camcorders-aruba-6195/)

frank
 

Posts: n/a  Re: using digital camera and camcorders in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Lenny,
Yes, we are located in Aruba. Our complete address is:
DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels. Our telephone is 0297-5877376
You can also contact us by email at dvdland@surfaruba.com





And did he tell the truth...or did he say there is no Freddy here?

If I could stop laughing I'd call...I have international long distance!

Caps...I am not laughing at you...I am laughing at Lala's. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I dunno. I'm not calling!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 03:56:39 PM
Don't know that answer...Klaas may know. Hotping. 

WTH? is Boolean Logic?   Yep...I am stupid...Julia was right...OMG!  I need to lie down.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 02, 2008, 03:57:24 PM
07-10-2003, 10:51 PM (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f8/using-digital-camera-camcorders-aruba-6195/)

frank
 

Posts: n/a  Re: using digital camera and camcorders in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Lenny,
Yes, we are located in Aruba. Our complete address is:
DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels.
Our telephone is 0297-5877376
You can also contact us by email at dvdland@surfaruba.com





Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 03:59:46 PM
Thanks VMS MUM and LALA'S for the replies to My post! Could Julia have been the code talker Christy White? HMMMMM  ::MonkeyConfused::

Shock was too intelligent to be that imbecile.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

J/K, hotping. I really don't have a clue...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 02, 2008, 04:01:59 PM
Don't know that answer...Klaas may know. Hotping. 

WTH? is Boolean Logic?   Yep...I am stupid...Julia was right...OMG!  I need to lie down.

don't feel bad... I have no clue what's going on in this thread.... so I just follow along....LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 04:18:41 PM
Told you I was stupid....LOL


Boolean logic:
is a complete system for logical operations. It was named after George Boole, who first defined an algebraic system of logic in the mid 19th century. Boolean logic has many applications in electronics, computer hardware and software, and is the base of digital electronics. In 1938, Claude Shannon showed how electric circuits with relays were a model for Boolean logic. This fact soon proved enormously consequential with the emergence of the electronic computer.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM
07-10-2003, 10:51 PM (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f8/using-digital-camera-camcorders-aruba-6195/)

frank
 

Posts: n/a  Re: using digital camera and camcorders in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Lenny,
Yes, we are located in Aruba. Our complete address is:
DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels.
Our telephone is 0297-5877376
You can also contact us by email at dvdland@surfaruba.com





Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA


YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 02, 2008, 04:20:20 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is soved.

CAPS says: the issue that confued the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.





ROLL 'EM?????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 04:43:25 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.





ROLL 'EM?????

and the winner is COLOMBO, you just won a vacation, The answer is ROLL 'EM. To the New Movie Script called " The Shango" soon to be release in teathers near you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 04:55:25 PM
The Following is in, Hot News,

The hit and run case of Hendrick Croes, took another run, the person that was hit did an investigation and find the documents that the OM have created fals statement so that Hendrick Croes could travel. The people that were used were fabricated against this cop but somehow, The I-A did this time check for the issues of corruption in the OM...

More to come...The strings are being pulled, Got to go to feed the stomach.

Movie script should be ready by friday if we continue on this peace.


CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 02, 2008, 05:07:48 PM
Told you I was stupid....LOL


Boolean logic:
is a complete system for logical operations. It was named after George Boole, who first defined an algebraic system of logic in the mid 19th century. Boolean logic has many applications in electronics, computer hardware and software, and is the base of digital electronics. In 1938, Claude Shannon showed how electric circuits with relays were a model for Boolean logic. This fact soon proved enormously consequential with the emergence of the electronic computer.

I looked it up this morning...found a site where it had diagrams...I knew it was a losing prospect for me, although I recalled the term boolean from my last job & the programming within the system used.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 02, 2008, 05:17:03 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.





ROLL 'EM?????

and the winner is COLOMBO, you just won a vacation, The answer is ROLL 'EM. To the New Movie Script called " The Shango" soon to be release in teathers near you.


Hey thanx, CAPS......an all expense paid trip to.....Aruba????? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 02, 2008, 05:18:40 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.





ROLL 'EM?????

and the winner is COLOMBO, you just won a vacation, The answer is ROLL 'EM. To the New Movie Script called " The Shango" soon to be release in teathers near you.




mayor progress.....good one, CAPS!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 05:26:22 PM
Told you I was stupid....LOL


Boolean logic:
is a complete system for logical operations. It was named after George Boole, who first defined an algebraic system of logic in the mid 19th century. Boolean logic has many applications in electronics, computer hardware and software, and is the base of digital electronics. In 1938, Claude Shannon showed how electric circuits with relays were a model for Boolean logic. This fact soon proved enormously consequential with the emergence of the electronic computer.

I looked it up this morning...found a site where it had diagrams...I knew it was a losing prospect for me, although I recalled the term boolean from my last job & the programming within the system used.

Well, I have officially given up...I am too stupid to understand anything now...my mind has turned to mush...nothing and I do mean nothing is as it should be. Really going to lie down now...need rest...need tranquilizers...need something.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 02, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.





ROLL 'EM?????

and the winner is COLOMBO, you just won a vacation, The answer is ROLL 'EM. To the New Movie Script called " The Shango" soon to be release in teathers near you.


Hey thanx, CAPS......an all expense paid trip to.....Aruba????? ::MonkeyEek::

Shango La   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 02, 2008, 05:36:16 PM
New contest.....best photo of Columbo in Aruba.....upload entries.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 06:20:51 PM
This is Angela she works with Julia
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/angelaM1.jpg)

Angela Munzenhofer
Has anyone ever found that Angela might be Julia's sister....Also Guess what I think Julia's Mother's maiden name is White.....There was a codetalker that used the name Christy White......Angela Rae Renfro and Julia Christine Renfro at the same address in Winter Park Fl...along with Lois White Renfro and Ray Hornor Renfro....Could Angela be the Sister of Julia?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::

Maiden name for the Angela above is Dilorenzo.

Renfro's sister's last name (married) is Emory.


Klass you can delete it if I should not have posted it.
 I had this picture saved and marked Julia's sister Aaron Margo


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/AaronMargo.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 06:25:56 PM
Told you I was stupid....LOL


Boolean logic:
is a complete system for logical operations. It was named after George Boole, who first defined an algebraic system of logic in the mid 19th century. Boolean logic has many applications in electronics, computer hardware and software, and is the base of digital electronics. In 1938, Claude Shannon showed how electric circuits with relays were a model for Boolean logic. This fact soon proved enormously consequential with the emergence of the electronic computer.

I looked it up this morning...found a site where it had diagrams...I knew it was a losing prospect for me, although I recalled the term boolean from my last job & the programming within the system used.

Well, I have officially given up...I am too stupid to understand anything now...my mind has turned to mush...nothing and I do mean nothing is as it should be. Really going to lie down now...need rest...need tranquilizers...need something.  :roll:


It is a bit confusing but let the PhD. explain

I have an apple and a pear,

Ask this question : IS apple a FRUIT answ. eqls. TRUE
Ask this question : IS pear  a FRUIT answ. eqls. TRUE

both answer are true and comparing these 2 TRUEs against each other with, one can say that both are a Fruit.

this is what we call an AND condition both sides of the   var$ AND var$ has to be true and then you will get allways a true.

Human nature is we live in a logic world but when we tell a lie, we are not in a logic world no more. I gues God have made the brains to recognize this ability to determine right from wrong.

Everything we do have a logic to it, "a MAN is NOT FISH" so man do not breath under water. (TRUE)
                                                 "FISH is NOT a MAN" so a fish can not live on land (TRUE)

The statement that "(Natalee) that was not (Virgin)" means Natalee not Virgina = True (comparing person)
simple put                (VAR1$)            NOT      (VAR2$)  now test the condition if it is TRUE of FALS

VAR1$ = a Person
Var2$ = must be a person otherwhise you can not compare a person to a dog it does not fit a logic if you want the result to be a TRUE logic.

Test case 2 : Natalee that was a virgin, This time we a comparing a person vs sexuality status. Now the Logic question is Nobody knows be we live in an almost perfect world and by twisting one of the variables state of true to false, we also change the outcome.

If I lie to you and I want that condition to be so that I am not to blame for the lying, I will say to you that I did not lie to you, it was you that believed me. switching the variable in my favor and leaving you with a question thinking WTH....

I wish that this world could practice more Strategic Thinking then Strategic Planning. The planning is not for you but always to the benefit of other, Strategic thinking, the brain is in a another state of mind and looking at logics, where both parties win, The planning and the Thinker.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CAPS
 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 02, 2008, 06:42:59 PM
change the outcome?
"how could so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?"
[the girl-as opposed to?]


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 02, 2008, 06:46:10 PM
WOW CAPS I understood almost so this was why now I'm worried because NO ONE but Natalee would know for sure if she was a virgin.
We only know what we have heard and believe.
This could chage the outcome. So we need facts only for this to work 
.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 02, 2008, 06:47:58 PM
I have a hard time understanding Caps...at times.  I don't think I can get through the explanation so I am now happy to just not understand the initial statement.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Note on Freddy (the friend of Joran, in the pics with him, no matter what his very real name is).  I don't believe for one minute that he does not speak English.  I don't think that Champions bar would hire someone that only spoke papi.  Just my opinion...but I believe it to be another lie of Joran's.  I also think I saw a sign requiring English to be spoken in the casinos.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 02, 2008, 06:54:52 PM
I have a hard time understanding Caps...at times.  I don't think I can get through the explanation so I am now happy to just not understand the initial statement.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Note on Freddy (the friend of Joran, in the pics with him, no matter what his very real name is).  I don't believe for one minute that he does not speak English.  I don't think that Champions bar would hire someone that only spoke papi.  Just my opinion...but I believe it to be another lie of Joran's.  I also think I saw a sign requiring English to be spoken in the casinos.

use the online CAPSLOCKWIZARD translator

www.capslockwizardtranslator.com

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 02, 2008, 07:16:49 PM
Told you I was stupid....LOL


Boolean logic:
is a complete system for logical operations. It was named after George Boole, who first defined an algebraic system of logic in the mid 19th century. Boolean logic has many applications in electronics, computer hardware and software, and is the base of digital electronics. In 1938, Claude Shannon showed how electric circuits with relays were a model for Boolean logic. This fact soon proved enormously consequential with the emergence of the electronic computer.

I looked it up this morning...found a site where it had diagrams...I knew it was a losing prospect for me, although I recalled the term boolean from my last job & the programming within the system used.

Well, I have officially given up...I am too stupid to understand anything now...my mind has turned to mush...nothing and I do mean nothing is as it should be. Really going to lie down now...need rest...need tranquilizers...need something.  :roll:


It is a bit confusing but let the PhD. explain

I have an apple and a pear,

Ask this question : IS apple a FRUIT answ. eqls. TRUE
Ask this question : IS pear  a FRUIT answ. eqls. TRUE

both answer are true and comparing these 2 TRUEs against each other with, one can say that both are a Fruit.

this is what we call an AND condition both sides of the   var$ AND var$ has to be true and then you will get allways a true.

Human nature is we live in a logic world but when we tell a lie, we are not in a logic world no more. I gues God have made the brains to recognize this ability to determine right from wrong.

Everything we do have a logic to it, "a MAN is NOT FISH" so man do not breath under water. (TRUE)
                                                 "FISH is NOT a MAN" so a fish can not live on land (TRUE)

The statement that "(Natalee) that was not (Virgin)" means Natalee not Virgina = True (comparing person)
simple put                (VAR1$)            NOT      (VAR2$)  now test the condition if it is TRUE of FALS

VAR1$ = a Person
Var2$ = must be a person otherwhise you can not compare a person to a dog it does not fit a logic if you want the result to be a TRUE logic.

Test case 2 : Natalee that was a virgin, This time we a comparing a person vs sexuality status. Now the Logic question is Nobody knows be we live in an almost perfect world and by twisting one of the variables state of true to false, we also change the outcome.

If I lie to you and I want that condition to be so that I am not to blame for the lying, I will say to you that I did not lie to you, it was you that believed me. switching the variable in my favor and leaving you with a question thinking WTH....

I wish that this world could practice more Strategic Thinking then Strategic Planning. The planning is not for you but always to the benefit of other, Strategic thinking, the brain is in a another state of mind and looking at logics, where both parties win, The planning and the Thinker.

CAPSLOCKWIZARD

CAPS
 



 :smt018 :smt100 :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 07:33:58 PM
WOW CAPS I understood almost so this was why now I'm worried because NO ONE but Natalee would know for sure if she was a virgin.
We only know what we have heard and believe.
This could chage the outcome. So we need facts only for this to work 
.




That why shango say:

20.   Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm ***** NAT STORY ******
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

We need to save those fact which we know that are TRUE. and remember to use the AND logic to build the Logic Three

Truth A (AND) Truth B links to Truth C, Then Truth A (AND) Truth C must be True. This way a Logic of three is build to break the Alibi that we knows that are lies.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 02, 2008, 07:46:24 PM
Fellow Monkeys, Today we put to rest the issue of the virgin issue away. it is solved.

CAPS says: the issue that confused the world was that the riddle uses Boolean Logic confuse the readers and so Mary = Natalee and Mary = Julia Renfro the photographer

Now how do we know which Mary in the Riddle is Natalee and Julia

The answer is in the Boolean Logic test put in the statements.

Please continue working on the party-goers, I see mayor progress.

On the Julia issue, does she take pictures her self or does she has someone to do it for her.?

Now when I was in Hollywood, I took a tour of the set "The Shango" and the Director said Cut and then he said ?????

Back to the drawing board my friends.





ROLL 'EM?????

and the winner is COLOMBO, you just won a vacation, The answer is ROLL 'EM. To the New Movie Script called " The Shango" soon to be release in teathers near you.

CAPS:

Was Columbo "opening a window overlooking babylon?"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 02, 2008, 07:49:44 PM
I can't get past thinking in terms of search engine operators.

Only use the AND operator to match truths?

Ah, I give up. Can you use any example from this case to illustrate, Caps?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 08:11:58 PM
WOW CAPS I understood almost so this was why now I'm worried because NO ONE but Natalee would know for sure if she was a virgin.
We only know what we have heard and believe.
This could chage the outcome. So we need facts only for this to work 
.




That why shango say:

20.   Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm ***** NAT STORY ******
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

We need to save those fact which we know that are TRUE. and remember to use the AND logic to build the Logic Three

Truth A (AND) Truth B links to Truth C, Then Truth A (AND) Truth C must be True. This way a Logic of three is build to break the Alibi that we knows that are lies.


But the above quote is by Simian...not Shango.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 02, 2008, 08:13:26 PM
Thanks VMS MUM and LALA'S for the replies to My post! Could Julia have been the code talker Christy White? HMMMMM  ::MonkeyConfused::

Shock was too intelligent to be that imbecile.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

J/K, hotping. I really don't have a clue...

I thought Caps said Shock was Karen Jansen?  Darn it!  Confused again.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 02, 2008, 10:11:24 PM
WOW CAPS I understood almost so this was why now I'm worried because NO ONE but Natalee would know for sure if she was a virgin.
We only know what we have heard and believe.
This could chage the outcome. So we need facts only for this to work 
.




That why shango say:

20.   Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm ***** NAT STORY ******
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

We need to save those fact which we know that are TRUE. and remember to use the AND logic to build the Logic Three

Truth A (AND) Truth B links to Truth C, Then Truth A (AND) Truth C must be True. This way a Logic of three is build to break the Alibi that we knows that are lies.


But the above quote is by Simian...not Shango.  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for this...I was going to respond that it wasn't Shango.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 02, 2008, 10:44:48 PM
Don't know that answer...Klaas may know. Hotping. 

WTH? is Boolean Logic?   Yep...I am stupid...Julia was right...OMG!  I need to lie down.

don't feel bad... I have no clue what's going on in this thread.... so I just follow along....LOL



Rob, I'm following along with you and just as confused.  I've been gone all day and I have no clue what is going on.   ::MonkeyConfused::

CAPS - A few pages back you asked about Julia's lover.  Could it be Michael Posner?
Where does Chemaly fit into the movie script?

Somewhere I read that A.B./E.B. who was arrested was 20 years old, if that helps.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 02, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
WOW CAPS I understood almost so this was why now I'm worried because NO ONE but Natalee would know for sure if she was a virgin.
We only know what we have heard and believe.
This could chage the outcome. So we need facts only for this to work 
.




That why shango say:

20.   Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm ***** NAT STORY ******
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

We need to save those fact which we know that are TRUE. and remember to use the AND logic to build the Logic Three

Truth A (AND) Truth B links to Truth C, Then Truth A (AND) Truth C must be True. This way a Logic of three is build to break the Alibi that we knows that are lies.


But the above quote is by Simian...not Shango.  ::MonkeyWink::

That is true, it belongs to simian, but it is written in Shango, which is what we are working on, Maybe Shango asked
Simian permision to use it. or it was left from the persons that collect the Shango post.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 02, 2008, 11:09:42 PM
I think that the right brained thinkers are getting a Boolean headache. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 02, 2008, 11:24:39 PM
The Following is in, Hot News,

The hit and run case of Hendrick Croes, took another run, the person that was hit did an investigation and find the documents that the OM have created fals statement so that Hendrick Croes could travel. The people that were used were fabricated against this cop but somehow, The I-A did this time check for the issues of corruption in the OM...

More to come...The strings are being pulled, Got to go to feed the stomach.

Movie script should be ready by friday if we continue on this peace.


CAPS



CAPS,

Even if we do break the code by Friday and we have the Simian/Shango feature film, how will we know if it's a non-fiction documentary?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Finbar on April 03, 2008, 12:01:35 AM
I love what you all have done with the new place.

Lotsa space.


Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 12:21:32 AM
The Following is in, Hot News,

The hit and run case of Hendrick Croes, took another run, the person that was hit did an investigation and find the documents that the OM have created fals statement so that Hendrick Croes could travel. The people that were used were fabricated against this cop but somehow, The I-A did this time check for the issues of corruption in the OM...

More to come...The strings are being pulled, Got to go to feed the stomach.

Movie script should be ready by friday if we continue on this peace.


CAPS



CAPS,

Even if we do break the code by Friday and we have the Simian/Shango feature film, how will we know if it's a non-fiction documentary?

Like any Scientific Documentary report, we need to do a referance to the keys and what it ment and how we came about it.
It was not just trown on a table, there was a reseach done by many that contributed to the foundation of a particular key. All key will be revisted and recheck to see it what we have is something else that they have said. ower job is to break the Alibi with proof and logic. 

Like any riddle there are allways a What I call the START Key that when all filled in will show a layer only to that Key, but it also show links to other keys and so. The story has a meaning, the story will lead to areas that we did do not explored before and here is where the monkeys comes in helping to find all about that unknown subject or area.


There is a plan...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on April 03, 2008, 12:44:17 AM


Like any Scientific Documentary report, we need to do a referance to the keys and what it ment and how we came about it.
It was not just trown on a table, there was a reseach done by many that contributed to the foundation of a particular key.  All key will be revisted and recheck to see it what we have is something else that they have said. ower job is to break the Alibi with proof and logic. 

Like any riddle there are allways a What I call the START Key that when all filled in will show a layer only to that Key, but it also show links to other keys and so. The story has a meaning, the story will lead to areas that we did do not explored before and here is where the monkeys comes in helping to find all about that unknown subject or area.


There is a plan...
[/quote]

Caps,

So what you are saying is that many monkeys had parts of the puzzle, but because the keys were not known the pieces could not be fitted together into a whole???
I think I get it. 

Also, when the puzzle is sorted out, that will lead to other things being revealed???

Thanks for helping to clarify.

Chata


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2008, 01:37:57 AM
Jackb asked me to post this for Capslock, not sure why  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Renfro.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 02:17:23 AM
Jackb asked me to post this for Capslock, not sure why  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Renfro.jpg)

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.

Minister Briezen --->Lowenstein group link

Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 05:21:08 AM


 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL



Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 05:32:38 AM
Jackb asked me to post this for Capslock, not sure why  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Renfro.jpg)

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.

Minister Briezen --->Lowenstein group link

Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?





Appears to be a young guy walking with him....hmmmm... ?.B.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 05:56:42 AM
Where was Michael Posner on May 29th. 2005?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/25/michael-posner-upset-over-excelsior-casino-security-tapes-to-abc/

However, through his attorney Posner states that he has been clean for quite some time and that he was not in Aruba at the time of the disappearance. Posner also claims he does not know Van der Sloot or ever giving him credit.

Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner’s lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

More on Posner here…

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/20/rita-cosby-discusses-deepak-and-michael-posner/

Allan Ackerman…Posner’s lawyer

http://www.superlawyers.com/illinois/lawyer/Allan-A-Ackerman/48717f27-1630-4bbd-a8ff-2f9d57bbf435.html

PROFILE
Nationally recognized and respected for innovative and ingenious defense strategies, Allan Ackerman practices almost exclusively in the area of criminal defense, both at the trial and appellate levels. As a trial lawyer, he has successfully defended some of the country's most problematic cases, including major racketeering (RICO), drug and white collar prosecutions. As an appellate advocate, he has successfully briefed and/or argued countless cases before the United States Supreme Court and most federal appellate courts. Deemed an expert on the presentation of federal and state constitutional issues as they relate to an accused, his work is the subject of study in law schools throughout the nation and has been covered by both the local and national media.

A little here…

http://www.lawyers.com/Illinois/Chicago/Allan-A.-Ackerman,-P.C.-910094-f.html

http://www.lawyers.com/allanaackerman/jsp2192427.jsp





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 07:08:50 AM
Caps I was told this is Julia's Hubby(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia4.jpg)

Who else in Julia Organization is a Photographer...A movie was made that night in question. She was there she also was part in the xxx movie. Now hwo else in her organization was there.

I wonder if hubby was there, maybe the hubby is just a front.

CAPS:  I sent Klaas a picture and asked her to send you a copy that I cut out and resized on the background of Julies side.  It shows pretty darn clear GVC and he seems to be punching something.  There is a guy very close beside him in a white shirt and When and if I get this picture clear in the rest of the background, there may be some other interesting things.  Jack Blue April 3, 2008


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 08:07:13 AM
SS…just some thoughts on breaking the code…I hope you don’t mind.

The little I know about Shango, Simian and Mirian and all the other codetalkers tells me it is very hard to follow the right path. Fork in the path…which one to follow?

An example would be the Lions!…Which is it…Cap’s Lowenstein Group, the flag, the Coat of Arms or the Lion’s Club. Or maybe the Lion’s den is the casinos, so then who would be the lions?

Whichever one of the ‘lions’ paths you follow will probably lead you in a different direction. Which is the right path?

COLUMBO has his ‘path’ he has followed, Caps has his, and I know, well I,m pretty sure, Lala’s has hers. Truthseeker as well, I think. So have many of other veteran Monkeys. (Sorry not meaning to slight anyone here)

Proceed with caution, one wrong turn and there is a good chance one has reached the wrong conclusion. JMO...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 08:36:26 AM
From caesu...on the NAH thread...who has been checking on Rudy and Hendrik Croes...Thanks caesu...I'm trying to put him in Aruba...LOL

« Reply #704 on: Today at 06:45:14 AM »
caesu...any more on Rudy or Hendrik Croes...I am looking for something that puts Rudy in the Netherlands the end of May to June 3rd 2005.  TIA


i am still trying to find as much as possible on the Croes brothers.

did a quick search but could not locate him in the netherlands in that period.

then procureur-generaal Theresa Croes-Fernandes was however in the netherlands around that period.

end of june there was the half yearly tripartite summit between the three justice ministers, but this was in willemstad, curaçao.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 03, 2008, 09:00:57 AM
Jackb asked me to post this for Capslock, not sure why  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Renfro.jpg)

I see a dirtyhand in that picture. he is at the left in the back.

Minister Briezen --->Lowenstein group link

Wasn't it Briezen in the pics a while back on the NAH thread a while back...big white house with pillars and a pool, North Koreans and young girls?




finngirl,

I didn't see it on the NAH thread but that sounds like Hiram's birthday party. Briezen was there...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 03, 2008, 09:20:04 AM


 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL



Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….



Mum thank you for this, I have been searching for days

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 09:23:44 AM
 
yes :wink:

and a splendid time was guaranteed



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 03, 2008, 09:24:31 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 09:27:02 AM
yes :wink:

and a splendid time was guaranteed

oops, that was meant for vms re Hiram's b-day party post

:::must type faster/must type faster:::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:29:41 AM


 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL



Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….



Mum thank you for this, I have been searching for days

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below


Good Morning Blonde...You are very welcome...maybe we should post what we are looking for so as not to have posters chasing after the same things and spending double the time...

Right now...I am looking at Rudy and his whereabouts...see post, I think on the previous page. I have only found quotes from him as of the 6/4, so if you do see anything on 5/30 or before 6/4, I would apreciate you posting it. I did see a post the other day that said he arrived back from the Netherlands on 6/3....convenient!

Then again...if he was to be the Arawak Dirty Hand he would mostly likely lie low...maybe even create an alibi...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:35:38 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:37:33 AM
Finbar is back...now where is JE?

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 09:49:34 AM
SS…just some thoughts on breaking the code…I hope you don’t mind.

The little I know about Shango, Simian and Mirian and all the other codetalkers tells me it is very hard to follow the right path. Fork in the path…which one to follow?

An example would be the Lions!…Which is it…Cap’s Lowenstein Group, the flag, the Coat of Arms or the Lion’s Club. Or maybe the Lion’s den is the casinos, so then who would be the lions?

Whichever one of the ‘lions’ paths you follow will probably lead you in a different direction. Which is the right path?

COLUMBO has his ‘path’ he has followed, Caps has his, and I know, well I,m pretty sure, Lala’s has hers. Truthseeker as well, I think. So have many of other veteran Monkeys. (Sorry not meaning to slight anyone here)

Proceed with caution, one wrong turn and there is a good chance one has reached the wrong conclusion. JMO...



Mum, Ithink that you are absolutely correct.  I lurked for a long, long time before joining in.  I am sometimes concerned about misinformation that has been sent to send us running in directions that prevent real discovery.  This is Aruba and land means sea.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 10:01:20 AM
SS…just some thoughts on breaking the code…I hope you don’t mind.

The little I know about Shango, Simian and Mirian and all the other codetalkers tells me it is very hard to follow the right path. Fork in the path…which one to follow?

An example would be the Lions!…Which is it…Cap’s Lowenstein Group, the flag, the Coat of Arms or the Lion’s Club. Or maybe the Lion’s den is the casinos, so then who would be the lions?

Whichever one of the ‘lions’ paths you follow will probably lead you in a different direction. Which is the right path?

COLUMBO has his ‘path’ he has followed, Caps has his, and I know, well I,m pretty sure, Lala’s has hers. Truthseeker as well, I think. So have many of other veteran Monkeys. (Sorry not meaning to slight anyone here)

Proceed with caution, one wrong turn and there is a good chance one has reached the wrong conclusion. JMO...



Mum, Ithink that you are absolutely correct.  I lurked for a long, long time before joining in.  I am sometimes concerned about misinformation that has been sent to send us running in directions that prevent real discovery.  This is Aruba and land means sea.

Yes...you are right...we can't track Paulus, the 2 boys, Posner, Rudy, Koen and others movements for that night. And then we have all the names...Guido/Lorenzo/David Wever


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 10:11:55 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

Hi 2NJSons...Of course....I was just carrying over my thought from yesterday when Caps mentioned the Dirty Hand in the back ground, as I couldn't hardly see anything!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 11:34:09 AM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?



Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb


Not what I was looking for, but peaked my interest...

Caps...Would you mind explaining your preference to Briezen as opposed to Rudy Croes or even Oduber himself as being at the party?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 12:46:51 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 03:03:38 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?



Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb


Not what I was looking for, but peaked my interest...

Caps...Would you mind explaining your preference to Briezen as opposed to Rudy Croes or even Oduber himself as being at the party?  TIA


You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 03:07:09 PM
BB so Ramos never signed the declaration...why? he is the one that came forward... or did he? did someone put those words in his mouth?

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html

Check this page out.  They are claiming that Renfro is the one who reported the gardener information to Van Der Stratten because it was her gardener.  Rob, do you think that the gardener was a diversion?  How is Eric Mansur involved - was he gambling that night?

Hi SS, I'll just say I have never totally trusted the Mansurs. I think Jossy has his issues and we all know about Luis and the rest of the clan. Hard to know who's screwing who here...they all have their vendettas.

and your take?



Rob,  At this point, I really don't know what to think.  Like everyone here and the Holloways, I want to be appreciative of all that Jossy has done and I want to see him as a good guy.  After reading his background of crime and corruption though, I can see that he is probably very capable of misleading Beth and Dave and sabotaging the entire search especially if exposure would be detrimental to his special interests like drugs, gambling, and money laundering.  These things have obviously been very lucrative for the Harms and Mansur families.  I don't want to think that he's involved, but is that niave?

Exactly my point... there is two of these News paper that are at war and I am not sure wich is most likely to deceive Beth.

but one of these two are and are connected to the mob word. but need to choose one.. I tested the varables and both fir the picture... must be somting else that I need to use to link the right paper... The Gardeners are mention only once and notting more. need Simian probably can shed some other info.

we need the party goers and one from the Oduber Cabinet was at the party. if it is the lowenstein as the lons then we can say that briezen was at the high roller game that night.

Need to feed the stomach....brb


Not what I was looking for, but peaked my interest...

Caps...Would you mind explaining your preference to Briezen as opposed to Rudy Croes or even Oduber himself as being at the party?  TIA


You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the dopple ganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the dopple ganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:15:11 PM
Hotping…please help me out here…where did you find that Bridgette is Christy White?  TIA

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:19:42 PM
Caps...I haven't read back and just popped in to ask Hotping a question, but...I do not believe Oduber was in Florida on May 29th....I posted something this morning, but he was there from 6/5 until 6/9 that we know of.

The Summit started June 5th.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:23:09 PM


 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below

http://www.oas.org/xxxvga/english/photo_previous.asp


I don’t know if he was at the one in Washington and I am not sure if I can read it all tonight.

http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/photos/default.asp?nMes=5&nAnio=2005

Rudy Croes arrived back from Holland on June 3rd.  Thought you might want to know….LOL



Checked the second link and sent it to Lala’s who checked the pics and we can’t see any sign of Oduber.

The dates in May seem to be regular meetings and not a summit as the one in Fort Lauderdale in June was. I searched a bit on it, and if anyone else would like to double check, please go ahead.

This means that Oduber would have been in Aruba until he left for the Florida Summit which started June 5th.

Loesge could be right….



Mum thank you for this, I have been searching for days

 Oduber was in Fort Lauderdale for an Organization of American States summit.  He met with Condy Rice on June 6th. Arrived back in Aruba the morning of June 9th. June 4th until June 7th.  See link below


Caps...here it is...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:30:08 PM
Caps...So do you think that Briezen was EB...he was supposed to be a 26 year old young business man...EB/AB I mean.

Rudy Croes for all intents and purposes lost the election...He didn't get enough votes, but still had the power to bargain for his job!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 03, 2008, 03:32:37 PM
Hotping…please help me out here…where did you find that Bridgette is Christy White?  TIA

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey


Mum....I came up with the question "Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan Have Been Shock the Monkey"...by taking Her middle name Christine and using the nickname Christy and White being that she was a White Woman in Aruba....so it was just speculation on My part wondering if she used the name Christy White as a Screen name.....then for whatever reason She changed to Shock the Monkey...I do not know this as Fact only as a Theory.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 03, 2008, 03:32:46 PM
Caps, Ramon Lee was arrested for alleged rape.... but not until a while after Natalee was "disappeared". Charges dropped.

Lee says sex was consensual...victim said no.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 03:36:51 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!




Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:39:03 PM
Hotping…please help me out here…where did you find that Bridgette is Christy White?  TIA

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey


Mum....I came up with the question "Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan Have Been Shock the Monkey"...by taking Her middle name Christine and using the nickname Christy and White being that she was a White Woman in Aruba....so it was just speculation on My part wondering if she used the name Christy White as a Screen name.....then for whatever reason She changed to Shock the Monkey...I do not know this as Fact only as a Theory.... ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Hotping...the way it was posted in brackets looked like you were saying she was Bridgette. Thanks for the explanation.

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 03, 2008, 03:41:56 PM
Hotping…please help me out here…where did you find that Bridgette is Christy White?  TIA

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey


Mum....I came up with the question "Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan Have Been Shock the Monkey"...by taking Her middle name Christine and using the nickname Christy and White being that she was a White Woman in Aruba....so it was just speculation on My part wondering if she used the name Christy White as a Screen name.....then for whatever reason She changed to Shock the Monkey...I do not know this as Fact only as a Theory.... ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Hotping...the way it was posted in brackets looked like you were saying she was Bridgette. Thanks for the explanation.

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey

Sorry for the confusion..... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:42:52 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!




Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.



But aren't they all called His Excellency?  The Ministers, the Governor and the Prime Minister? This could equate to his Lordship, JMO





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 03:46:24 PM
Hotping…please help me out here…where did you find that Bridgette is Christy White?  TIA

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey


Mum....I came up with the question "Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan Have Been Shock the Monkey"...by taking Her middle name Christine and using the nickname Christy and White being that she was a White Woman in Aruba....so it was just speculation on My part wondering if she used the name Christy White as a Screen name.....then for whatever reason She changed to Shock the Monkey...I do not know this as Fact only as a Theory.... ::MonkeyWink::


Thanks Hotping...the way it was posted in brackets looked like you were saying she was Bridgette. Thanks for the explanation.

« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »   
 
Could Brigitte Christine Katelaan (Christy White) Have been Shock The Monkey

Sorry for the confusion..... ::MonkeyEek::


No problem...I have looked at Bridgette and her cameraman a lot, not as much as ******* of course and was surprised to see that!

Have a great evening everyone!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 03:57:37 PM
Caps, Ramon Lee was arrested for alleged rape.... but not until a while after Natalee was "disappeared". Charges dropped.

Lee says sex was consensual...victim said no.

it was sex for a Job offer position. Mrs.  I. Loepstok, was prommised the job position, The problem is that both are singing in the churge cior and according to her, He raped her, but when she went to the investigator, DirtyHand seems to have offer a peace pipe. She did not want it, she wanted Justice, but they twisted her story and remember no witness no case. The powers of the behavior specialist again at play. The girl went home but broken.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 04:05:07 PM
From Easy's blog...I just read it this morning and I snipped it if anyone wants to read the rest the link is there. Lots of DirtyHands...

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/2007/04/jossy-mansur-responds.html


Friday, April 6, 2007
Jossy Mansur Responds!
“To answer the stupid allegations in that MEP inspired and promoted piece of garbage: ...”

"The MEP party is a party of delinquents and promotes delinquency (a Minister (Ramon Lee) who raped a woman, was accused by her to the Police, and was never even questioned! Another Minister (Rudy Croes)who brought in young girls from Santo Domingo and wanted to force them into prostitution with him and his friends; another Minister (Nilo Swaen) who was accused by his own department head of manipulating figures to make the government look good; another Minister (Rudy Croes again) whose departments sold permits to foreigners, and under whom driver's licenses were also being sold; another Minister (the Prime Minister Nelson Oduber) who is a habitual liar and will stop at nothing to carry out his Chavez-inclined plans for Aruba; members of Parliament of the MEP party who were caught by the police in drunken driving (Junior Arends) and hit and run (Robert Maduro); and so much more delinquency and violations of our laws it would take an encyclopedia to hold them! THESE ARE ALL PROVEN FACTS! not lies or inventions made up to slander them. They are a group of the most corrupt public figures ever to participate in Aruban politics. Just go over the Holloway case, and now the Michael Saladin case, and you immediately know the anti-American sentiments of those now in power in Aruba.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 04:41:14 PM


You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.
[/quote]



CAPS,  Could we have a little more on Virginia Hale?  I'm not seeing this connection.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 04:47:34 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!



I need to translate these titles that are used in dutch to english

here are is the list

Look at this link for all the titles, just go down in the list you will see them all

http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/tekst/21


Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.



But aren't they all called His Excellency?  The Ministers, the Governor and the Prime Minister? This could equate to his Lordship, JMO






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 05:27:47 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!



I need to translate these titles that are used in dutch to english

here are is the list

Look at this link for all the titles, just go down in the list you will see them all

http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/tekst/21


Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.



But aren't they all called His Excellency?  The Ministers, the Governor and the Prime Minister? This could equate to his Lordship, JMO




[/quoteJust check with a with an ethic person, Only The Prime Minister and Governor are Lordship

The gods are Prosecuters
The GODs are Chief Prosecuter


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 05:34:40 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!

Wrong wrong,

The Gods is OM

The gods is someone that talk a lot, it is all over the page.
now who were talking a lot about this case ?

It must be the News Media




I need to translate these titles that are used in dutch to english

here are is the list

Look at this link for all the titles, just go down in the list you will see them all

http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/tekst/21


Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.



But aren't they all called His Excellency?  The Ministers, the Governor and the Prime Minister? This could equate to his Lordship, JMO




[/quoteJust check with a with an ethic person, Only The Prime Minister and Governor are Lordship

The gods are Prosecuters
The GODs are Chief Prosecuter


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 05:35:50 PM
Caps…I just was bringing this to post…His Excellency…could that be His Lordship?

Agents.Aruba.com News
.. Thalia, Samantha & Ricardo, his Excellency the Minister of Tourism,
Edison Briezen, the Director of the Aruba Tourism Authority Myrna
Jansen, ...
agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=388


After-dinner speech by His Excellency the Prime Minister of the ...
the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and on behalf of our compatriots
elsewhere in the ...This is the Dutch Prime Minister
Your Excellency Minister Wever,. Like many other island destinations,
our beautiful ..... Aruba, say NO to captive dolphins! We know better!
His excelence ...
www.arubammf.com/anti-captivity_campaign - 65k - Cached - Similar
pages

The prestigious house of Chopard of watches, jewelry, pens ...
The Prime Minister of Aruba, His Excellency Mr. N.O. Oduber cut the
ribbon during an elegant festive ceremony in the presence of Chopard
General Manager for ...

The Governor of Aruba - Official Website
These were the words of the Governor, His Excellency Mr. Fredis
Refunjol, ..
. of the Cabinet of the Minister Plenipotentiary, Ms. Price
served the Aruban ...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:06:17 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:10:28 PM
Caps…I just was bringing this to post…His Excellency…could that be His Lordship?

Agents.Aruba.com News
.. Thalia, Samantha & Ricardo, his Excellency the Minister of Tourism,
Edison Briezen, the Director of the Aruba Tourism Authority Myrna
Jansen, ...
agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=388


After-dinner speech by His Excellency the Prime Minister of the ...
the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, and on behalf of our compatriots
elsewhere in the ...This is the Dutch Prime Minister
Your Excellency Minister Wever,. Like many other island destinations,
our beautiful ..... Aruba, say NO to captive dolphins! We know better!
His excelence ...
www.arubammf.com/anti-captivity_campaign - 65k - Cached - Similar
pages

The prestigious house of Chopard of watches, jewelry, pens ...
The Prime Minister of Aruba, His Excellency Mr. N.O. Oduber cut the
ribbon during an elegant festive ceremony in the presence of Chopard
General Manager for ...

The Governor of Aruba - Official Website
These were the words of the Governor, His Excellency Mr. Fredis
Refunjol, ..
. of the Cabinet of the Minister Plenipotentiary, Ms. Price
served the Aruban ...


I consider a Lord, is somebody with a lot of power to remove your freedom.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 06:21:28 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:24:04 PM


You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.



CAPS,  Could we have a little more on Virginia Hale?  I'm not seeing this connection.
[/quote]Do you mean Virginia Page.  Who is Virginia Hale?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 06:24:11 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.



I wonder if her earlobes curl, too.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 06:26:38 PM


You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.



CAPS,  Could we have a little more on Virginia Hale?  I'm not seeing this connection.
Do you mean Virginia Page.  Who is Virginia Hale?
[/quote]




Yes, I meant Virginia Page.  I'm sorry.  I must still have a Boolean headache.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 06:28:41 PM
SS.... ::MonkeyHaHa::  That's over in the other thread.....Rudy/Steve/Charles/Marianne.....lobe check!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:28:47 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:30:24 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

and she is link to ???? who is pulling her string.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 03, 2008, 06:32:30 PM
Marianne Croes is the spokesperson for the prosecution in Aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 06:33:17 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

She did have the attention of the media until she was removed from the post....yes, and she's related to another bigwig...I'll have to look up her name....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:36:45 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

and she is link to ???? who is pulling her string.

(MARIANNE CROES) is on the lower food chain, some one wrote the story to what to say to the public.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 06:38:37 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.

I agree and prior to that, since at least Dec 2004:

Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05

The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday.

According to Mary Ann Croes, a spokesperson in the public prosecutor's office, "multiple" people were injured in the fight and three were detained. However, she declined to name the other people who were detained and would not divulge the condition of those injured.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1331.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 03, 2008, 06:40:09 PM
GOVERNMENT –


AHATA  – Aruban Hotel and Tourism Association, whose members included Jorge Pesquera. Jeff Lesker, Alfonso Riveroll, Bill Carlson & others.


ATA  – Aruba Tourism Authority, some members include Nathalie Maduro & Rayon Koolman.

AVP - Aruban People's Party (Arubaanse Volkspartij)


BOEKHOULDT, Alfonso – Director of Aruba Ports Authority


BRIESEN, Edison - Minister of Transportation & Tourism –



CROES, Rudy  - Minister of Justice, Aruba.



EENENNAAM, Boudewijn van - Dutch Ambassador


EMAN, Mike  – former Prime Minister of Aruba, AVP Party



HAGUE, The –  is the third-largest city in the Netherlands after Amsterdam and Rotterdam, and the seat of the government.


MEP  – People's Electoral Movement (Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo). Oduber’s political party currently in power in Aruba


NFI – The Netherlands Forensic Institute is part of the Ministry of Justice and carries out technical and scientific research for the purpose of crime solving.  The NFI only performs research ordered by the
Dutch Public Prosecutor and the Dutch Police. The NFI does not perform research for private persons.  Also known as DFI or Dutch Forensics Institute. 



ODUBER, Nelson O.  – Prime Minister of Aruba since 10-30-01, who was visting in Ft Lauderdale when Natalee went missing.  Returned to Aruba June 9th? - MEP Party



ODUBER, Otmar – AVP Parliament member


QUEEN Beatrix – Queen of the Netherlands since 1980



RIJKS Laboratorium in Holland – bones found were tested here


RUFUNJOL, Fredis   – Governor of Aruba since 5-11-04



VROLIJK, Augustine  - Department of Foreign Affairs responded to 11-1-05 family on 11-4-05 stating that Ariba was not responsible for the investigation.  Here is a partial transcript of the letter “The chief prosecutor leading the investigation and the General Prosecutor are appointed by the Kingdom Government in the Hague. Because of separation of powers, the government of Aruba has no authority to intervene in the investigation.”



WEVER, Booshi - (MEP) Minister of Public health, Environment, and Immigration Affairs

From SM Aruba who's who


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 06:41:37 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

She did have the attention of the media until she was removed from the post....yes, and she's related to another bigwig...I'll have to look up her name....

her mother:
Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 06:44:28 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

She did have the attention of the media until she was removed from the post....yes, and she's related to another bigwig...I'll have to look up her name....

her mother:
Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra



Thanks, finngirl....you beat me to it.  I just remembered that Karin Jansen and the AG didn't get along and Jansen didn't like the idea of the AG's daughter being spokesperson. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 06:49:05 PM
Thanks, finngirl....you beat me to it.  I just remembered that Karin Jansen and the AG didn't get along and Jansen didn't like the idea of the AG's daughter being spokesperson. 
Amalin Flanegan worked there as well
until she resigned in protest/disgust over (lack of) investigation

we're finally looking at the women ...
one of my pet theories: where are the women in this case?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 06:51:31 PM
Thanks, finngirl....you beat me to it.  I just remembered that Karin Jansen and the AG didn't get along and Jansen didn't like the idea of the AG's daughter being spokesperson. 
Amalin Flanegan worked there as well
until she resigned in protest/disgust over (lack of) investigation

we're finally looking at the women ...
one of my pet theories: where are the women in this case?



Getagrip posts about it here:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_13_archive.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 06:52:53 PM
(MARIANNE CROES) is on the lower food chain, some one wrote the story to what to say to the public.

someone wrote something :wink:

feeding the messengers = press conferences ?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 06:53:53 PM
her mother:
Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra


More earlobes???? ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 06:58:26 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.

I agree and prior to that, since at least Dec 2004:

Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05

The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday.

According to Mary Ann Croes, a spokesperson in the public prosecutor's office, "multiple" people were injured in the fight and three were detained. However, she declined to name the other people who were detained and would not divulge the condition of those injured.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1331.html

on that day that Ponson got arrested, David Long and Doingo Reyes and Sidney Ponson Got arrested for fighting on the beach with some dutch bigmout tourist that day. It happend around 5:00 pm. A Judge was sleeping on a bench and with the fight, sand was flying everyhere, this SOB dutch, open his mount like he owns the beach and with that arrogant atitue of the ducth, Sindey give him a slap in the face. It seems the the dutch in question was DH and since then he made Sidney live missirable. Thet thay they goup on the beach got arrested, DAvid Long and Dominguez Reyes was put in seprate cells. Everynight David friend came by with hamburgers from Macdonalds for themself to eat, The visiting friend will Jump on the Roof wall to the other side of the prison and then hanging from the outside railling, he paases the Cocacola and the Hamburgers to David and Domiquez Reyes.

On the 3 day, they said that they want to open the new years with the Famaly and so the visisting brought this time heck saw and they saw the metal bars and just walk out the prison. There was not even a gaurd around. They stay for almost 10 day on the street till they desided now they will go back to the police an turn them self in.

In trial they could do anything to them and so thay walk of all the charges...Fun Story about that time.

CAPS
got A


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 07:04:42 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.

I agree and prior to that, since at least Dec 2004:

Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05

The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday.

According to Mary Ann Croes, a spokesperson in the public prosecutor's office, "multiple" people were injured in the fight and three were detained. However, she declined to name the other people who were detained and would not divulge the condition of those injured.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1331.html

on that day that Ponson got arrested, David Long and Doingo Reyes and Sidney Ponson Got arrested for fighting on the beach with some dutch bigmout tourist that day. It happend around 5:00 pm. A Judge was sleeping on a bench and with the fight, sand was flying everyhere, this SOB dutch, open his mount like he owns the beach and with that arrogant atitue of the ducth, Sindey give him a slap in the face. It seems the the dutch in question was DH :shock: :shock: :shock: and since then he made Sidney live missirable. Thet thay they goup on the beach got arrested, DAvid Long and Dominguez Reyes was put in seprate cells. Everynight David friend came by with hamburgers from Macdonalds for themself to eat, The visiting friend will Jump on the Roof wall to the other side of the prison and then hanging from the outside railling, he paases the Cocacola and the Hamburgers to David and Domiquez Reyes.

On the 3 day, they said that they want to open the new years with the Famaly and so the visisting brought this time heck saw and they saw the metal bars and just walk out the prison. There was not even a gaurd around. They stay for almost 10 day on the street till they desided now they will go back to the police an turn them self in.

In trial they could do anything to them and so thay walk of all the charges...Fun Story about that time.

CAPS
got A

 :shock: :shock: :shock:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 07:15:56 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

She did have the attention of the media until she was removed from the post....yes, and she's related to another bigwig...I'll have to look up her name....

her mother:
Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra



Thanks you another score  ::MonkeyCool::

Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra

And now for her office or who does she work for?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 07:20:31 PM

ministry of justice/justice minister ?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 07:23:09 PM

ministry of justice/justice minister ?

Rudy Croes

oh what a tangled web we weave ...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 03, 2008, 07:24:14 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.

I agree and prior to that, since at least Dec 2004:

Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05

The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday.

According to Mary Ann Croes, a spokesperson in the public prosecutor's office, "multiple" people were injured in the fight and three were detained. However, she declined to name the other people who were detained and would not divulge the condition of those injured.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1331.html


Ponson slugged a judge on the beach on Christmas day... that's what that was all about.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 07:24:34 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

She did have the attention of the media until she was removed from the post....yes, and she's related to another bigwig...I'll have to look up her name....

her mother:
Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra



Thanks you another score  ::MonkeyCool::

Attorney General Theresa Croes–Fernandez Pedra

And now for her office or who does she work for?


Link Please…All I can find is Police spokespersons and Oduber on 6/3


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 07:50:22 PM
link showing that she was AG in may/june, 2005?
that'll take some time

for now:

Date: November 1, 2005

To: Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Attorney General of Aruba
Havenstrat 2
Orangestad, Aruba

From: Arthur E. Wood

Dave and Robin Holloway

Beth and Jug Twitty

Dear Attorney General,
Dave Holloway and I left Aruba on October 27, 2005, after meeting with the Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber. During the meeting we informed the Prime Minister of our collective perception that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has been mishandled ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2612.480



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 07:53:33 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47126-2005Jan4.html
On Island, Ponson No Longer Marooned
O's Pitcher Released From Aruban Jail

By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 5, 2005; Page D01

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Jan. 4 -- A man has certain needs at the end of 10 torturous days in the city lock-up, such as horsepower and loud music. And so it was that Sir Sidney Ponson, Knight in the Order of the Dutch Royal House, in his first acts of freedom upon being released from jail Tuesday afternoon, demanded from his agent the keys to his own Mercedes, which had been parked conveniently outside the police station -- "I'm driving," the Baltimore Orioles pitcher barked -- then wedged himself into the driver's seat and paused to turn the radio dial to something harder, faster, louder.

And with that -- plus a quick no-comment to the two reporters who had gathered to chronicle the moment -- Sir Sidney was gone. He was wearing his island nation's traditional mid-day garb: a white T-shirt, baggy shorts, flip-flops and shades. He had days' worth of stubble on his face and head, both of which are typically shaved clean. He did not smile. He backed up the Mercedes and pulled away in a dusty cloud.


 
Sidney Ponson is free from jail in his native Aruba, but still faces three serious charges stemming from a Christmas day incident at the beach. (AP) 

From the outside, it had seemed like a whirlwind 10 days for Ponson -- from the Christmas day fight on the beach that landed three people, including himself, in police custody after Ponson allegedly hit a local judge in the face; to the public prosecutor's decision two days later to exercise his legal right to extend Ponson's detainment for another eight days while the investigation continued; to the pregnant pause in the country's legal system over the raucous New Year's Eve weekend; and, finally, to his unceremonious release Tuesday at 12:12 p.m., Atlantic Standard Time.

But inside Ponson's jail cell, it seemed far from a whirlwind. It was 10 days of monotony, broken up only by a bath every morning and three square meals a day. Other than that? Boredom. Vicious heat. Blood-sucking mosquitoes. No television or radio. No beer. No visitors, except for his lawyer. And no reading material, except for a Bible at one's request.

Ponson, one learns by asking, did not request a Bible.

"He was more conversating with the other guys," said a watch commander at the sleepy police station in Noord, where Ponson spent the second half of his detainment following a transfer. The watch commander declined to reveal his name, saying the chain of command did not allow him to speak to the media.

"The guys [in the adjacent cells] enjoy him," the officer said. "They all know him. He's very famous here. I hope he learns a lesson from this. He needs to . . . get his act together."

The two acquaintances who were arrested along with Ponson released themselves on their own recognizance four days later by cutting through the bars of their cells with a saw and bending them apart. The escapees were apprehended on Sunday, reportedly in possession of $20,000 cash, drugs, jewelry and a police scanner.

Ponson, his lawyer said, had nothing to do with the escape and slept through the entire thing.

More is expected of Ponson in Aruba, where he was born and raised, where he has donated money and goods for years to locals in need, and where he was given one of the Dutch crown's highest honors for its citizens -- knighthood -- in 2003. At the time, he seemed humbled by the title's responsibilities, which include setting a good example for his fellow citizens with his behavior.

Presumably, that behavior does not include getting hammered on the beach, buzzing people too closely with one's personal watercraft, or -- after those people complained about it -- punching a man in the face, all of which Ponson is alleged to have done. (However, eyewitness accounts differ as to which party instigated the fight.) As for the fact the decked man turned out to be a judge -- W. Noordhuizen, a resident of the island for only three months, who has not responded to interview requests -- well, that's just bad luck. For that matter, so is the fact Ponson's arrest resulted in a 10-day stay in the slammer while the investigation plodded on, owing to the simple reality that Aruba has no system of bail.

"Public opinion here is, if [the alleged victim] was not a judge, this case would have been very different," said Vale Hart, a reporter for the Diario Aruba newspaper. "Maybe they wouldn't have even arrested [Ponson]. But because he was a judge, they did. That's not good. Something has to be done with our way of doing justice in Aruba."

A story in Tuesday's La Prensa newspaper compared Ponson's case to 10 similar ones in recent months and found the severity of Ponson's punishment to be more extreme than the others'.
"The feeling on the island is [the authorities] drew this [detainment] out as long as they could," said Ashiko Martinus, a childhood friend of Ponson's who was one of many friends and family members who gathered in a show of support Tuesday morning outside the courthouse where a judge made the decision to grant Ponson his release. "Maybe they want to make an example of him to the rest of the island." [/b] Ponson arrived at that hearing Tuesday morning in a Mitsubishi Galant squad car (the license plate of which, like all in Aruba, contained the motto, "One Happy Island"). He emerged from the back seat on his own -- dressed in nice clothes, free of handcuffs -- as if exiting a cab at the front gates at Yankee Stadium, then walked into the courthouse without making eye contact with any of his family members or supporters.

Despite being released Tuesday, Ponson still faces three serious charges that could result in a prison sentence when the case goes before a judge. Those charges, according to spokeswoman Mary Ann Croes of the public prosecutor's office, are premeditated simple assault, attempt to commit severe assault and fighting in a public place.

That hearing before a judge -- in which, like a trial, Ponson's guilt or innocence will be determined -- will be held March 3, just as the Orioles are beginning their Grapefruit League schedule, with Ponson, who will be in the second year of a three-year, $22.5 million contract, again expected to be one of the team's top starting pitchers.

Ponson was released into the arms of a beautiful afternoon on the island he loves. Temperatures were in the 80s. Beachgoers frolicked in the surf, personal watercrafts buzzing along safely behind them. A giant cruise ship, like the ones Ponson used to work on as a teenager, hogged the horizon and disgorged its human contents into the tourist-trap shops along the main beach road.

The coming days promise to bring the same idyllic routine, but Ponson won't be around to see it. For weeks now, he has been booked on a plane back to the United States on Wednesday, where he will begin in earnest his preparations for spring training and the 2005 season at his residences in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Baltimore. The flight departs in the late afternoon.

Ponson, according to his agent, plans to be on it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 07:59:34 PM

:::whining::: I have to leave for awhile, dammit

laters



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 08:02:25 PM


http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/bal/y2005/m03/d07/c959494.jsp (http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/bal/y2005/m03/d07/c959494.jsp)
Snip:
Ponson, who pitched in a simulated game instead, was given until May 10 to reach an out-of-court settlement with the victim of a Dec. 25 melee on an Aruban beach. Ponson apparently hit a judge during a confrontation and he received a suspended sentence on March 3 in Aruba.
He was ordered to settle with the victim, make a substantial contribution to an Aruban charity and perform community service.

Snip:
After being released on Jan. 6, he returned to the United States until his March 3 court date. He shook hands with the victim, who told him he only wanted money for his medical expenses.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 08:07:50 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 08:09:31 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm)
Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005
By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
"The judge gave a type of cooperation very different from other cases, and for this we are grateful," Ponson's attorney, Chris Lejuez, said outside the courtroom.
  Snip
 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

IIRC Karin Janssen made public statements very early,
around the time SGs were detained

AG's office switched to "spokesperson mode"
around the time that J/K2 were detained

ergo, earliest Mariaine Croes links I've found
are from about june 11/12

hope this helps

laters/again



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 08:25:26 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 08:51:25 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:03:05 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

IIRC Karin Janssen made public statements very early,
around the time SGs were detained

AG's office switched to "spokesperson mode"
around the time that J/K2 were detained

ergo, earliest Mariaine Croes links I've found
are from about june 11/12

hope this helps

laters/again





IIRC Karin Janssen made public statements very early,
around the time SGs were detained

AG's office switched to "spokesperson mode"
around the time that J/K2 were detained

ergo, earliest Mariaine Croes links I've found
are from about june 11/12

hope this helps

laters/again



Thanks Finn…I found van der Straten early and this from Oduber from the FP…links don’t work…and what you found…the official statements are a link to aruba.com 2008!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/natalee-holloway/page/143/
Official Statement as of June 3rd, 2005
Prime Minister’s Statement

Quote caps
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name


Caps…what date are you talking about…or are you looking for KJ?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 09:05:16 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person




CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 09:10:39 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person
Good question!  I know that I'm finding conflicting information on who the Attorney General of Aruba is...... some sights have what I posted above as late as 2007, some have Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra...Would the real Attorney General of Aruba please give a shout out!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 09:17:34 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person




CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to.  ::MonkeyConfused::

SS,
I was totally on the same page as to who Finbar was leading us to until I saw this:

VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS
 ::MonkeyWink::
Haven't we seen that name somewhere?  See if you can find anything...... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 09:27:24 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person
Good question!  I know that I'm finding conflicting information on who the Attorney General of Aruba is...... some sights have what I posted above as late as 2007, some have Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra...Would the real Attorney General of Aruba please give a shout out!
all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005












Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 09:30:26 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person




CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to.  ::MonkeyConfused::

SS,
I was totally on the same page as to who Finbar was leading us to until I saw this:

VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS
 ::MonkeyWink::
Haven't we seen that name somewhere?  See if you can find anything...... ::MonkeyCool::



I found four people who could be possible connections to our DJ.  They were Theresa Croes-Fernandez, Rudy Croes. Hendrik Croes, or the Croes from the Croes and Wever law firm.  I also found something a while back which was also a connection to the name Henriquez.  Finbar had told us to look for the grandmother and if I recall, I don't think  that we ever identified her.  There was a Maria Regina Croes (12/30/1906 - 8/9/1991).  I have this woman as a mother of Ellen Henriquez who was born 11/21/1943.  I wondered at the time if this woman was the maternal grandmother.  This would be an Henriques connection. I also found an Inoivia Beltranda Croes (11/10/1904 - 8/4/1979).  Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.  I suspected that this was a possible paternal grandmother.  Because of what Finbar was trying to tell us, I have to feel that he shares a common grandmother with someone important.  I have suspected Rudy Croes.  And, they both have earlobes that curl.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:42:49 PM
Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:48:16 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person




CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to.  ::MonkeyConfused::

SS,
I was totally on the same page as to who Finbar was leading us to until I saw this:

VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS
 ::MonkeyWink::
Haven't we seen that name somewhere?  See if you can find anything...... ::MonkeyCool::



I found four people who could be possible connections to our DJ.  They were Theresa Croes-Fernandez, Rudy Croes. Hendrik Croes, or the Croes from the Croes and Wever law firm.  I also found something a while back which was also a connection to the name Henriquez.  Finbar had told us to look for the grandmother and if I recall, I don't think  that we ever identified her.  There was a Maria Regina Croes (12/30/1906 - 8/9/1991).  I have this woman as a mother of Ellen Henriquez who was born 11/21/1943.  I wondered at the time if this woman was the maternal grandmother.  This would be an Henriques connection. I also found an Inoivia Beltranda Croes (11/10/1904 - 8/4/1979).  Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.  I suspected that this was a possible paternal grandmother.  Because of what Finbar was trying to tell us, I have to feel that he shares a common grandmother with someone important.  I have suspected Rudy Croes.  And, they both have earlobes that curl.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

SS...Help here please...I thought the Croes from the Wever Croes Tchong (sp...it's late for me) lawfirm was Hendrick Croes, Rudy's brother!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 09:48:29 PM
SS,
I agree with your findings, however I think there may also be a link to another suspect....GVC.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 10:01:14 PM
Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 03, 2008, 10:03:21 PM
Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.

{{edit - let's not post real life names of posters please.  I really don't think Arubagirl has anything to do with NH missing}}  - Aruba Girl


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 03, 2008, 10:06:21 PM
Caps, I have always believed that Steve Croes is in this because of Paulus... and no other way.

I believe he told Steve to call Deepak. Jackpot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 10:08:35 PM
Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.




I understand what you are trying to do. The facts are not being verified to move on.

It appears that KJ may have been the official spokesperson in the beginning, before Marianne Croes. And it is too late for me to check any further tonight, and you have already moved on.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2008, 10:23:27 PM
Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 10:26:44 PM
Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?


I would say 100, but I'll go with the flow! Thanks Klaas!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?

Either is fine with me Klaas!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 10:28:17 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for


Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!

If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html (http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.html)Aruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 


Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person




CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to.  ::MonkeyConfused::

SS,
I was totally on the same page as to who Finbar was leading us to until I saw this:

VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS
 ::MonkeyWink::
Haven't we seen that name somewhere?  See if you can find anything...... ::MonkeyCool::



I found four people who could be possible connections to our DJ.  They were Theresa Croes-Fernandez, Rudy Croes. Hendrik Croes, or the Croes from the Croes and Wever law firm.  I also found something a while back which was also a connection to the name Henriquez.  Finbar had told us to look for the grandmother and if I recall, I don't think  that we ever identified her.  There was a Maria Regina Croes (12/30/1906 - 8/9/1991).  I have this woman as a mother of Ellen Henriquez who was born 11/21/1943.  I wondered at the time if this woman was the maternal grandmother.  This would be an Henriques connection. I also found an Inoivia Beltranda Croes (11/10/1904 - 8/4/1979).  Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.  I suspected that this was a possible paternal grandmother.  Because of what Finbar was trying to tell us, I have to feel that he shares a common grandmother with someone important.  I have suspected Rudy Croes.  And, they both have earlobes that curl.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

SS...Help here please...I thought the Croes from the Wever Croes Tchong (sp...it's late for me) lawfirm was Hendrick Croes, Rudy's brother!



Yes Mum, you are correct.  I checked my notes and didn't see the arrow that I had made.  Hendrick Croes is in the lawfirm and he is Rudy's brother. 

The genealogy search gets very difficult for people who are currently alive.  Most genealogy databases do not give the full names of living people in order to protect their identity.  This is why I can't make the connections for current generations.  There are so many Croes people running around on that island.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 10:34:51 PM
SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 03, 2008, 10:37:44 PM
OK, I'll let the Shango threads go to page 100 before starting a new thread.  That makes it easier on me  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 10:52:15 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

That monkey b readin' braile.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 10:57:56 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

What is with the black and white striped jackets?  some kind of initiation?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 11:00:42 PM
SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...


Let iit roll klaas

The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot

to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:06:51 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!




Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.

Judges are sometimes refered to as that and I imagine Remkes would be.  He is/was (until it seems 2007.)  He served two terms, one starting in or ending in 2002 and a second term that ended in 2007. and is quite a high ranking official over so many departments in the interior, including having to be the step next to the kingdom, it seems in judicial matters as well.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 11:10:36 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

What is with the black and white striped jackets?  some kind of initiation?

The first time the picture was posted, examining the picture closely trying to see who else are in the picture, I dicover that jail uniform and I said there is a Dirty hand and it is by the jail jacket, I did identify him...it seems to be his favor outfit. Joran also had a favor outfit.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:18:59 PM


You mest be reading my mind, I was just going to post if a quest and you where asking me the queston...hahaha

Anyway, in 2005, lets look what is at paly in shago... The Ritz and lets build a string, The Casino and another string, We have Virgina Page another string, Prosecuter Office, The Drug, The Money , we have Logic to confuse the issue of viriginity, The Diceman, the girl that link to Virginia, a Reporter with his/her News Industry, We have also a PM. a Bird that was on flight also sing, the party-goers, the local lion and The Lions with a link to the Ritz., we have a Movie, and 4 Dirty Hands. A question of some one ows money.

Not on the last here Why would the girl own money, this key is a women and how come the gambler know her, is that she came to Aruba before. what ever she did in the week was not in public but was behind the scene.

On Virginia I have question but that come later... She a the motive. and now why bring the doupleganger in the riddle.

in all the doupleganager on You tube and my research, is that the wrong person got killed or the one that need to be killed arrange with the help os someone to make the swith on her behave.

when the doupleganager was on wire, "A call was send to someone that they have the look alike"

4 stories related to the powers in the Tourism Industry and Casino Gambling.

Like i said the white board is to small, I think I need on of those electronic one that can be resisze...HAHA

one thing is sure, all is linked in the tourism industry, We need to put them in a row and look at the dates and times and there where abouts,  lets look at the players in the tourism field. We need to check all those in that group.

now from that group, who was arrested and interviewed, and let see if there was a Minister ever been question. remeber the closer we get to the center the water ripple we will meet barbwires. but like all barbwires, there are hols.The Rubik Cube has 6 sides and 6 colors, I am still turning the cube and putting the color in the right places.
shango look on paper like a coloring page.


another question, If the PM was in florida, when did he left, becasue the Elder was in Aruba and did understand the situation. How can e be in Aruba and at the same time be in florida. The fallen Elder is the one that lost the election, the Elder won the election.



CAPS,  Could we have a little more on Virginia Hale?  I'm not seeing this connection.
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I do not know if Aruba has on-line gambling from the States.  I do not know about gambling much, but:  Maybe while someone before the trip was checking out Aruba, they got hooked into gambling on-line.  Maybe there is a way to bypass laws of gambling on-line from the states to certain areas and they knew she would be there because they were tipped off she would be there by the agencies who make reservations, etc.  There was money owed, and I asked who and why, also.  It could have been the wrong person disappeared and it could have been on purpose as the other girl left, or some of the Perps liked the other girl and wanted to fool the people who may have wanted to "collect," since they already had a tiff from MB students over NH and GVC was, as well rebuffed.  Just a thought.  Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 11:19:37 PM
Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.




I understand what you are trying to do. The facts are not being verified to move on.

It appears that KJ may have been the official spokesperson in the beginning, before Marianne Croes. And it is too late for me to check any further tonight, and you have already moved on.
I moved on but from the other direction to meet the issue of either MC or KJ both are link to one office and that office has a string to Rudy croes.

the more we reach to the center the more difficult it will get becasue of not to much issue on the key in question..

e.g. DH from germany ...very powerfull but no one have a picture.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:23:10 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

That snaked-eyed girl, young.  Wasn it Marianne Croes?  Very much showing her contempt for USA in her eyes and voice, it seems.  Young, seemed sort of half dark, half light complexion and her eyes were green.  I could have the names mixed up, but I remember that girl.  Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 11:26:40 PM
SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...


Let iit roll klaas

The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot

to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.


CAPS - Are you saying the Steve Croes' correct name is Hendrick Severino Croes?
If so, then Finbar was giving us the correct tip and his great grandparents would have been Ezau Henriquez and Maria Regina Croes.  Their daughter, Ellen Henriquez, would have had a daughter named Imolda who married someone named Croes - Rudy, Hendrick, or an additional brother.  Which one is Dirty Hand?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 11:28:37 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

That snaked-eyed girl, young.  Wasn it Marianne Croes?  Very much showing her contempt for USA in her eyes and voice, it seems.  Young, seemed sort of half dark, half light complexion and her eyes were green.  I could have the names mixed up, but I remember that girl.  Jack b
Your description sounds like Arlene Ellis Schipper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 11:30:33 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

That snaked-eyed girl, young.  Wasn it Marianne Croes?  Very much showing her contempt for USA in her eyes and voice, it seems.  Young, seemed sort of half dark, half light complexion and her eyes were green.  I could have the names mixed up, but I remember that girl.  Jack b
Your description sounds like Arlene Ellis Schipper.
She is the cousin of Guido Wever


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:30:48 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for

and she is link to ???? who is pulling her string.

That was her, Croes, I am pretty sure.  Whoever it is is kin to Guido or one of the pers, but not Steve Croes.  I am pretty sure it was Guido she is supposed to be kin to.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 11:36:21 PM
Texas Mom -  you've got mail.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:36:21 PM
MaryAnee Croes was kin to Guido, supposedly.  She seemed to dislike Americans with a passion that showed in her eyes.  I disliked her intensly.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 11:37:05 PM
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/06/arubas-rogue-gallery.html (http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/06/arubas-rogue-gallery.html)1-
Arlene Ellis-Schipper- media spokesperson for the tourism group AHATA and cousin of another suspect, Guido Wever

Arlene was one of the early spokespeople to appear on U.S. mainstream media. Her most famous comment, which she repeated on several occasions, was "There is no evidence!" She also made the comment "This case is thin, thin, thin..." on Fox News.

It was later discovered that Arlene Ellis-Schipper had a set of very disturbing conflicts of interest in the case: First, she is a cousin to one of the suspects arrested in the case, Guido Wever, a close personal acquaintance of Joran van der Sloot who was arrested for "heavy battery" against Natalee Holloway.

Secondly, Ms. Schippers was forced to reveal in a television interview that she was being paid by the AHATA, a tourism group that has been documented with spreading misinformation about Natalee Holloway and her family throughout the case.

Ms. Ellis-Schippers was later caught in a blatant lie, insisting Beth Twitty had met with Karin Janssen on a trip to Aruba, a fact that was later debunked by Twitty herself.

Arlene Ellis-Schippers should have been prevented from ever talking to the U.S. media as a legal analyst for Dutch law as her cousin, Guido, was brought in for questioning within the first few days of the case. Yet she was allowed to remain as a spokesperson for well over a year. Guido Wever fled the island of Aruba to Holland just seven days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:38:49 PM
Caps…who would be referred to in Aruba as His Lordship or His Excellency? Would that be the Governor, the Prime Minister, his Ministers?

I don’t mean Posner either…LOL…
Thanks again in advance for all your help!




WHY ARE MY ANSWERS SHOWING ON THE LAST FREAKING PAGE AND THEN SOMEONE IS GIVING THE SAME ANSWER ON THE PAGE THEY WERE ASKED ON?  JACK FREAKING b.

Yes, thats how it is called. The Governor has the highest power and is appointed by the queen, But this governor was in the past on the MEP party list as a member. Conflict of intrest right there.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:40:31 PM
Marianne Croes is the spokesperson for the prosecution in Aruba

Maryanne is not now the spokesperson.  I am sure they put her somewhere else.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Windsor on April 03, 2008, 11:41:33 PM
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/06/arubas-rogue-gallery.html (http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/06/arubas-rogue-gallery.html)1-
Arlene Ellis-Schipper- media spokesperson for the tourism group AHATA and cousin of another suspect, Guido Wever

Arlene was one of the early spokespeople to appear on U.S. mainstream media. Her most famous comment, which she repeated on several occasions, was "There is no evidence!" She also made the comment "This case is thin, thin, thin..." on Fox News.

It was later discovered that Arlene Ellis-Schipper had a set of very disturbing conflicts of interest in the case: First, she is a cousin to one of the suspects arrested in the case, Guido Wever, a close personal acquaintance of Joran van der Sloot who was arrested for "heavy battery" against Natalee Holloway.

Secondly, Ms. Schippers was forced to reveal in a television interview that she was being paid by the AHATA, a tourism group that has been documented with spreading misinformation about Natalee Holloway and her family throughout the case.

Ms. Ellis-Schippers was later caught in a blatant lie, insisting Beth Twitty had met with Karin Janssen on a trip to Aruba, a fact that was later debunked by Twitty herself.

Arlene Ellis-Schippers should have been prevented from ever talking to the U.S. media as a legal analyst for Dutch law as her cousin, Guido, was brought in for questioning within the first few days of the case. Yet she was allowed to remain as a spokesperson for well over a year. Guido Wever fled the island of Aruba to Holland just seven days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.


and IMO, and I state IMO, she posted here in the early days; will look for her name, if anyone wishes


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 11:43:52 PM
Texas Mom -  you've got mail.

Thanks SS!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 03, 2008, 11:43:59 PM
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/ArleneEllis-Schipper.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/mariannecroes.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 11:46:32 PM
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/06/arubas-rogue-gallery.html (http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/06/arubas-rogue-gallery.html)1-
Arlene Ellis-Schipper- media spokesperson for the tourism group AHATA and cousin of another suspect, Guido Wever

Arlene was one of the early spokespeople to appear on U.S. mainstream media. Her most famous comment, which she repeated on several occasions, was "There is no evidence!" She also made the comment "This case is thin, thin, thin..." on Fox News.

It was later discovered that Arlene Ellis-Schipper had a set of very disturbing conflicts of interest in the case: First, she is a cousin to one of the suspects arrested in the case, Guido Wever, a close personal acquaintance of Joran van der Sloot who was arrested for "heavy battery" against Natalee Holloway.

Secondly, Ms. Schippers was forced to reveal in a television interview that she was being paid by the AHATA, a tourism group that has been documented with spreading misinformation about Natalee Holloway and her family throughout the case.

Ms. Ellis-Schippers was later caught in a blatant lie, insisting Beth Twitty had met with Karin Janssen on a trip to Aruba, a fact that was later debunked by Twitty herself.

Arlene Ellis-Schippers should have been prevented from ever talking to the U.S. media as a legal analyst for Dutch law as her cousin, Guido, was brought in for questioning within the first few days of the case. Yet she was allowed to remain as a spokesperson for well over a year. Guido Wever fled the island of Aruba to Holland just seven days after Natalee Holloway disappeared.


and IMO, and I state IMO, she posted here in the early days; will look for her name, if anyone wishes
It wouldn't surprise me Windsor!  If you come across it, I'd like to know out of curiosity.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 03, 2008, 11:49:09 PM
link showing that she was AG in may/june, 2005?
that'll take some time

for now:

Date: November 1, 2005

To: Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
Attorney General of Aruba
Havenstrat 2
Orangestad, Aruba

From: Arthur E. Wood

Dave and Robin Holloway

Beth and Jug Twitty

Dear Attorney General,
Dave Holloway and I left Aruba on October 27, 2005, after meeting with the Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber. During the meeting we informed the Prime Minister of our collective perception that the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has been mishandled ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2612.480


  It seems like one of the Interior Ministries.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 03, 2008, 11:50:30 PM
Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.

{{edit - let's not post real life names of posters please.  I really don't think Arubagirl has anything to do with NH missing}}  - Aruba Girl



Rob,  No one is linking AG to anyone and nobody is pointing any fingers at AG.  There is a link  in the great grandparents/grandparents in that particular family tree which also happens to be the family tree of the Croes person in question.  The family tree was prepared through research that was very publicly done by AG.  There is probably a second or third cousin relationship at most. On an island that size, a third cousin relationship would not be unusual.  AG just happens to be the one who did the research and named parents, grandparents, and great grandparents.  Nobody would even make that connection if people in the Forum didn't keep throwing out the name AG.  AG also had several relatives on the Lions Club roster.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 03, 2008, 11:54:39 PM

"Most humans are prostitutes. There are those who will deny this reality until they find themselves in a compromising situation that requires them to exchange their bodies for food, water, or a place to sleep for the night. Those few humans who are not prostitutes are ones who have been given any and everything that they need or desire. Those humans who have been given everything...are less than whores." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/arleneellisschipper1.jpg)

"Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Are you sometimes complacent about static conclusions? Activated morality often requires intravenous associations. Shoot up the chemical vine and discover a new found sense of sub-synthetic molecular certainty. Being simply right or wrong is easy. Being neuro-convulsively pendantic---either way--is both easy and fun. The Sub-Moral Mind Rape Clinic - let us inject you with a new way of thinking." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/Ellis-Schipper%2CM_full1.jpg)

http://blackcatbone.blogspot.com/2005/09/arlene-ellis-schipper-most-humans-are.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
Marianne Croes is the spokesperson for the prosecution in Aruba

Maryanne is not now the spokesperson.  I am sure they put her somewhere else.   jackb

She left for Valero Refinery...Go wonder.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 12:15:29 AM

"Most humans are prostitutes. There are those who will deny this reality until they find themselves in a compromising situation that requires them to exchange their bodies for food, water, or a place to sleep for the night. Those few humans who are not prostitutes are ones who have been given any and everything that they need or desire. Those humans who have been given everything...are less than whores." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/arleneellisschipper1.jpg)

"Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Are you sometimes complacent about static conclusions? Activated morality often requires intravenous associations. Shoot up the chemical vine and discover a new found sense of sub-synthetic molecular certainty. Being simply right or wrong is easy. Being neuro-convulsively pendantic---either way--is both easy and fun. The Sub-Moral Mind Rape Clinic - let us inject you with a new way of thinking." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/Ellis-Schipper%2CM_full1.jpg)

http://blackcatbone.blogspot.com/2005/09/arlene-ellis-schipper-most-humans-are.html
::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:16:46 AM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name

That snaked-eyed girl, young.  Wasn it Marianne Croes?  Very much showing her contempt for USA in her eyes and voice, it seems.  Young, seemed sort of half dark, half light complexion and her eyes were green.  I could have the names mixed up, but I remember that girl.  Jack b
Your description sounds like Arlene Ellis Schipper.
  I am thinking you may be right, but those pics below sure do not look like the light, but dark skinned eyes lookin out on tv.  Could be her.  She was an evil-looking woman then.  jackb

"Most humans are prostitutes. There are those who will deny this reality until they find themselves in a compromising situation that requires them to exchange their bodies for food, water, or a place to sleep for the night. Those few humans who are not prostitutes are ones who have been given any and everything that they need or desire. Those humans who have been given everything...are less than whores." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/arleneellisschipper1.jpg)

"Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Are you sometimes complacent about static conclusions? Activated morality often requires intravenous associations. Shoot up the chemical vine and discover a new found sense of sub-synthetic molecular certainty. Being simply right or wrong is easy. Being neuro-convulsively pendantic---either way--is both easy and fun. The Sub-Moral Mind Rape Clinic - let us inject you with a new way of thinking." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/Ellis-Schipper%2CM_full1.jpg)

http://blackcatbone.blogspot.com/2005/09/arlene-ellis-schipper-most-humans-are.html
I am thinking you may be right, but those pics below sure do not look like the light, but dark skinned eyes lookin out on tv.  Could be her.  She was an evil-looking woman then.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Windsor on April 04, 2008, 12:21:03 AM
Well, I went back to read my old posts, as I remember once copying Yiliana's posts and asking "who does this sound like to you?"  I couldn't find the posts, but I'd bet a thousand bucks it was Arlene.  Maybe if you can find her posts in the Shango posts, you'll agree.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 12:22:02 AM
Arlene is the one that it has been said is a cousin to Guido Wever, but who knows the other girl may be his cousin too!
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Finbar on April 04, 2008, 12:23:11 AM
AGA Elects New Board

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Posted on: 04/09/2003
By Rona Coster
The Aruba Gastronomic Association met this week to elect a new board. Outgoing President Raoul Henriquez, he owns Chez Mathilde restaurant and has recently taken over the island’s franchise for Burger King, stepped aside allowing Hubert Solagnier, of Amazonia Churrascaria to take over.

It was a very tight race with three excellent candidates expressing their wish to fill the President’s shoes. Gerry Mans, Director of Food & Beverage, La Cabana All Suite Resort was also in the running, yet a photo-finish helped establish the beginning of Hubert’s AGA career as the head of that organization. Roy Leitch, Waterfront Crabhouse was unanimously elected Vice President while Ann Brown, Director of Operations, Tierra del Sol, maintained her position as treasurer. Douglass Markus, Cuba’s Cookin’ is now the organization’s secretary and the board members, Gerry Mans, John Chemaly Jr., Valentino’s and Gilbert Dijkoff, Aqua Grill, concluded the list of just-elected officials. Coordinator Fern Pochettino, is the one running the organization on a daily basis. She oversees the dine-around programs and also the marketing and the promotion of Aruba as a gourmet travel destination.

Joyce Bartels-Daal, the former head of the Aruba Quality Foundation was recently hired by AGA as a consultant. Joyce’s organization will conduct bi-annual quality inspections at the island’s restaurants and will submit detailed reports about her dining experiences in an effort to continuously improve service and product.  Those inspections were previously conducted by an overseas firm, once a year. Local restaurants, members of AGA, had to maintain certain standards in order to belong. Now with a local company available to monitor standards, the restaurants will enjoy more frequent visits, converting the reports into learning opportunities for owners, kitchen and dining room staffers. New president Hubert Solagnier has 25 years of  restaurant experience on the island and a passion for Harley Davidson’s. John Chemaly Jr. is a first-time board member; he is a busy executive at Codemsa, the island’s largest building materials store, besides running Valentino’s. Gilbert, also a fresh face on the board is running Aqua Grille.

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/150/manageArticle.html

Pics in article

Chemaly
Solagnier
Dijkoff
Haley Davidson


Henriquez

Fed the messengers(not the god with the misspelled name)


The ear lobes were just an observation.


Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 12:25:01 AM

"Most humans are prostitutes. There are those who will deny this reality until they find themselves in a compromising situation that requires them to exchange their bodies for food, water, or a place to sleep for the night. Those few humans who are not prostitutes are ones who have been given any and everything that they need or desire. Those humans who have been given everything...are less than whores." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/arleneellisschipper1.jpg)

"Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Are you sometimes complacent about static conclusions? Activated morality often requires intravenous associations. Shoot up the chemical vine and discover a new found sense of sub-synthetic molecular certainty. Being simply right or wrong is easy. Being neuro-convulsively pendantic---either way--is both easy and fun. The Sub-Moral Mind Rape Clinic - let us inject you with a new way of thinking." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/Ellis-Schipper%2CM_full1.jpg)

http://blackcatbone.blogspot.com/2005/09/arlene-ellis-schipper-most-humans-are.html
You've Got To Be Kidding! She is One Sick Puppy!  ::MonkeyShocked:: After reading this I could see Her involved in kidnapping a pure innocent girl... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 04, 2008, 12:26:42 AM
June 11, 2005

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/VivianVanderBriezen.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:28:16 AM
Do you guys want these threads to go to 50 or 100 before I start a new thread?

When I quote, why does it go to to last page?  I read something, on some page and click on quote and it goes along with the copy to the last page every time.  Is there another way to stay on the same page?  I answer something, it goes to the last page and then someone else answers it and it goes to the page asked on?????Jack blue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 12:31:28 AM

"Most humans are prostitutes. There are those who will deny this reality until they find themselves in a compromising situation that requires them to exchange their bodies for food, water, or a place to sleep for the night. Those few humans who are not prostitutes are ones who have been given any and everything that they need or desire. Those humans who have been given everything...are less than whores." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/arleneellisschipper1.jpg)

"Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Are you sometimes complacent about static conclusions? Activated morality often requires intravenous associations. Shoot up the chemical vine and discover a new found sense of sub-synthetic molecular certainty. Being simply right or wrong is easy. Being neuro-convulsively pendantic---either way--is both easy and fun. The Sub-Moral Mind Rape Clinic - let us inject you with a new way of thinking." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/Ellis-Schipper%2CM_full1.jpg)

http://blackcatbone.blogspot.com/2005/09/arlene-ellis-schipper-most-humans-are.html
Quote from above link

Friday, July 29, 2005
"I Lost Natalee Holloway But I Found Arlene Ellis-Schipper"


WTH Does that mean???  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 12:36:48 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:40:16 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

What is with the black and white striped jackets?  some kind of initiation?

The first time the picture was posted, examining the picture closely trying to see who else are in the picture, I dicover that jail uniform and I said there is a Dirty hand and it is by the jail jacket, I did identify him...it seems to be his favor outfit. Joran also had a favor outfit.



Robin Holloway Vegas once that she mentioned. She met this woman who used to Blog on BFN, named Hellie or Helley or something.  She was so hateful, a few of us could not stand her, but Robin said she was just different. She seemed to be. Also said she bumped into her in Vegas, but it was after the NL disappearance, it seemed, or I took it that way because she was not posting when I first started.  She may have become friends with Robin to find out info., but there again, I am suspicious minded, especially since this case has dragged out so long.
    Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:43:42 AM

"Most humans are prostitutes. There are those who will deny this reality until they find themselves in a compromising situation that requires them to exchange their bodies for food, water, or a place to sleep for the night. Those few humans who are not prostitutes are ones who have been given any and everything that they need or desire. Those humans who have been given everything...are less than whores." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/arleneellisschipper1.jpg)

"Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Are you sometimes complacent about static conclusions? Activated morality often requires intravenous associations. Shoot up the chemical vine and discover a new found sense of sub-synthetic molecular certainty. Being simply right or wrong is easy. Being neuro-convulsively pendantic---either way--is both easy and fun. The Sub-Moral Mind Rape Clinic - let us inject you with a new way of thinking." - Arlene Ellis Schipper

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2609/289/400/Ellis-Schipper%2CM_full1.jpg)

http://blackcatbone.blogspot.com/2005/09/arlene-ellis-schipper-most-humans-are.html
You've Got To Be Kidding! She is One Sick Puppy!  ::MonkeyShocked:: After reading this I could see Her involved in kidnapping a pure innocent girl... ::MonkeyShocked::
I believe that she could as well.  She may have resented the fact that NH was a virgin and she seemed like she would be the type to turn that around on someone who is an American.  You could feel the hate coming off that broad.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 12:49:27 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:49:37 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?



There is Val and the little guy.  Val could have been lured into this sorid mess to help Joran.  He is diver certified I have read.  They would try to save Val as he could have been the lamb that ran bleating, if it was not NH.  He just does not seem to have the reputation of being a bully +++++ that JVs has managed to have.
They would know if one went down, the other would go and Joran would not give up his brother, I wouln't think, especially if he got him involved.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:51:51 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/dirty.jpg)

I wonder how Caps saw this in the dark photo...must have good eyes!

Hi, Mum....I would suspect Caps saw this by the same means jackb did....manipulating the brightness will bring the images in the dark backgound to 'light'.

That person sitting down in the back looks like Joran, does anyone else think so?
The guy staind up beside him looks familar, also.  Sort of like curley with short hair.
They can not bee seen at this time.  Who know, later I may figure something out on those tiny, tiny pics.    Jackb

What is with the black and white striped jackets?  some kind of initiation?

The first time the picture was posted, examining the picture closely trying to see who else are in the picture, I dicover that jail uniform and I said there is a Dirty hand and it is by the jail jacket, I did identify him...it seems to be his favor outfit. Joran also had a favor outfit.



Robin Holloway Vegas once that she mentioned. She met this woman who used to Blog on BFN, named Hellie or Helley or something.  She was so hateful, a few of us could not stand her, but Robin said she was just different. She seemed to be. Also said she bumped into her in Vegas, but it was after the NL disappearance, it seemed, or I took it that way because she was not posting when I first started.  She may have become friends with Robin to find out info., but there again, I am suspicious minded, especially since this case has dragged out so long.
    Jack b
  Now that I am thinking I believe it was Kelly that she used to blog with.  Anyway.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 12:55:06 AM
MaryAnee Croes was kin to Guido, supposedly.  She seemed to dislike Americans with a passion that showed in her eyes.  I disliked her intensly.  jackb

I am so crazy tonight (and other nights.)  It must have been Arleen who is kin to Guido, then.  It was that spokesperson with the snake eyes.  That is all I can think right now.  Sorry, Jack.  (I need a second wind.)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 12:55:08 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?


Val was about  15yrs old in 2005 and Sabastian was about 10yrs old and then there might be Lorezo Van Gijn....Val has a December birthday... I believe that someone in the code talker group was interested in a December birthday at one time... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 12:56:04 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?



There is Val and the little guy.  Val could have been lured into this sorid mess to help Joran.  He is diver certified I have read.  They would try to save Val as he could have been the lamb that ran bleating, if it was not NH.  He just does not seem to have the reputation of being a bully +++++ that JVs has managed to have.
They would know if one went down, the other would go and Joran would not give up his brother, I wouln't think, especially if he got him involved.   j/b



IIRC didn't Valentjin at one point say something about seeing a girl in the bathtub or something like that?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 01:05:55 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?



There is Val and the little guy.  Val could have been lured into this sorid mess to help Joran.  He is diver certified I have read.  They would try to save Val as he could have been the lamb that ran bleating, if it was not NH.  He just does not seem to have the reputation of being a bully +++++ that JVs has managed to have.
They would know if one went down, the other would go and Joran would not give up his brother, I wouln't think, especially if he got him involved.   j/b



IIRC didn't Valentjin at one point say something about seeing a girl in the bathtub or something like that?
Seems like I remember reading that Sabastian said something like....Mom don't You remember We cut her head off in the bathtub.... ::MonkeyShocked:: Then supposedly Val had on his myspace or something that Joran had hit Natalee in the head with a baseball bat... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:10:47 AM
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/ArleneEllis-Schipper.jpg)


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/mariannecroes.jpg)

Yep.  That is ARLEENEEEEE the mean.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 01:11:35 AM
AGA Elects New Board

The Aruba Gastronomic Association met this week to elect a new board. Outgoing President Raoul Henriquez, he owns Chez Mathilde restaurant and has recently taken over the island’s franchise for Burger King, stepped aside allowing Hubert Solagnier, of Amazonia Churrascaria to take over ...

... and the board members, Gerry Mans, John Chemaly Jr., Valentino’s and Gilbert Dijkoff, Aqua Grill, concluded the list of just-elected officials ...

... New president Hubert Solagnier has 25 years of restaurant experience on the island and a passion for Harley Davidson’s. John Chemaly Jr. is a first-time board member; he is a busy executive at Codemsa, the island’s largest building materials store, besides running Valentino’s ...

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/do/dispatch/view/id/150/manageArticle.html

Pics in article

Chemaly
Solagnier
Dijkoff
Harley Davidson arubay vids?

Henriquez

Fed the messengers (not the god with the misspelled name)
comped them in his restaurant?

The ear lobes were just an observation.

Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 01:15:20 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:17:33 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:22:09 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:23:03 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?



There is Val and the little guy.  Val could have been lured into this sorid mess to help Joran.  He is diver certified I have read.  They would try to save Val as he could have been the lamb that ran bleating, if it was not NH.  He just does not seem to have the reputation of being a bully +++++ that JVs has managed to have.
They would know if one went down, the other would go and Joran would not give up his brother, I wouln't think, especially if he got him involved.   j/b



IIRC didn't Valentjin at one point say something about seeing a girl in the bathtub or something like that?

I have never heard that, but I have in my outside storage a picture from the top of the head of a what looks to be a short haired, dark headed girl in a bathtub full of bloody water.  I found this on some web site at the beginning of the case and figured someone was being cruel.  It has been so long.  It said something about someone committing suicide, or something.  I figured it was a set up, but kept the pic, anyway.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 01:27:59 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:28:35 AM
June 11, 2005

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/VivianVanderBriezen.jpg)

Wasn't June the 11th the day the confession or the body was said to have been found?   Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:29:26 AM
Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Natalee's blouse was found at Lorenzo's house?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 01:31:51 AM
Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Natalee's blouse was found at Lorenzo's house?
Yes I believe that was a rumor and I believe that his alibi for that night was that He had a small party at his house and every one of the guest said he never left...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 01:33:18 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.
I think LVR's alibi was a girlfriend, that some have stated recanted the alibi.

I don't know how reliable this information is but it's something I saved while searching for information about him:
judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm  (http://judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm)
Lorenzo van Rijn seems to collect a lot of trash talk, but, for the most part, he seems to be a friend of at least one of the suspects. There are rumors that they met Natalee Holloway at the Excelsior Casino, but then, so did a lot of people. The only troubling information that I heard about Lorenzo is that he changes his name in Holland to van Wehl or Wiess (sp?). Currently, Lorenzo resides in Holland. On the night of Natalee's disappearance, he has an alibi. Despite all the unsubstatiated trash talk, he seems to be a fun-loving, adventuresome and semi-wealthy guy that Natalee might have enjoyed. Beyond that, Lorenzo is hard to pin down.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:34:05 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Van Rijn would not have to have anyone to take a fall for him.  I believe the man takes care of his own problems.  He would not need PVs protection.  The younger bro would.  I do hope Val is not mixed up in this.  He seems like he would be a good kid, basically.  I just don't think he is on the same level as Jvs as far as being a thug.  It may be that I am hoping someone in the more mature group is decent.  Anyhow....j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:39:33 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.
I think LVR's alibi was a girlfriend, that some have stated recanted the alibi.

I don't know how reliable this information is but it's something I saved while searching for information about him:
judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm  (http://judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm)
Lorenzo van Rijn seems to collect a lot of trash talk, but, for the most part, he seems to be a friend of at least one of the suspects. There are rumors that they met Natalee Holloway at the Excelsior Casino, but then, so did a lot of people. The only troubling information that I heard about Lorenzo is that he changes his name in Holland to van Wehl or Wiess (sp?). Currently, Lorenzo resides in Holland. On the night of Natalee's disappearance, he has an alibi. Despite all the unsubstatiated trash talk, he seems to be a fun-loving, adventuresome and semi-wealthy guy that Natalee might have enjoyed. Beyond that, Lorenzo is hard to pin down.



Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.
He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:40:13 AM
Lorenzo's mother had the relationship with Paulass, obviously at some point before Paulass met the Ditch Witch.  What is his mother's maiden name?  Is it Chemaly?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 04, 2008, 01:40:37 AM
Wasn't there a rumor at one point that Natalee's blouse was found at Lorenzo's house?
Yes I believe that was a rumor and I believe that his alibi for that night was that He had a small party at his house and every one of the guest said he never left...
I remember the rumor being about a skirt. I could be wrong though.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 01:43:52 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Van Rijn would not have to have anyone to take a fall for him.  I believe the man takes care of his own problems.  He would not need PVs protection.  The younger bro would.  I do hope Val is not mixed up in this.  He seems like he would be a good kid, basically.  I just don't think he is on the same level as Jvs as far as being a thug.  It may be that I am hoping someone in the more mature group is decent.  Anyhow....j/b

This stement will secure Lorenzo

But first how old is Val, does he own business

Teepees already swaying in strong babylonian (LORENZO VAN RIJN) wind
Bussines already in trouble due to Lorenzo what lorenzo does.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 04, 2008, 01:43:59 AM
Lorenzo's mother had the relationship with Paulass, obviously at some point before Paulass met the Ditch Witch.  What is his mother's maiden name?  Is it Chemaly?
Traksel


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:45:11 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Who ARE these people?  Hope it helps.  Jack b


he minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 01:47:03 AM
IMO Val Could have been involved also because He is in some of the pictures of the pimps and remember Paulus put Him at home the night Beth and Jug arrived by saying that Val woke Him up and told Him people were at the front gate.....So either Val was Home or in Holland with Anita which is it ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 01:48:50 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.

Now to secure Lorenzo van Rijn in it place, what link does he have with the The News news paper or better yet famaly Van Rijn

Who ARE these people?  Hope it helps.  Jack b


he minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision.
From the Aruba News News Desk:

Good news for education

The minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision. He then introduced the Director of Part-time Programs at the CHN Leewarden University, Ernest Jonker. The visitor gave a presentation of the local university's new phase of development, namely the introduction of a Part-time Bachelor's degree in hospitality, offered on Aruba to members of hospitality middle management aspiring to accelerate their careers and move into higher management functions.

Apparently, the two local Law and Business/Economics faculties have been doing very well graduating Aruban professionals who find it easy to secure employment once their diplomas are in hand.

During the press conference, the university announced its intention to expand and include hospitality. It partnered with an excellent Dutch learning source. Van Rijn called it the #1 Hotel & Management Training Institute within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It is the University of Professional Education, CHN Leeuwarden, who was willing to develop within three years full time Bachelor and Master programs of hospitality management on the island.

That's really constitutes good news. Tourism is an economic pillar of our community and the ability to get educated right at home, saves cost and allows middle management, people already working in the field, an opportunity they never had before. Studies will be conducted in the classroom and via internet, and the admission criteria are quite high. There are academic requirements, language requirements and mostly the program doesn't come cheap, yet it is a fraction of the effort it takes to educate a tourism professional overseas.

School will start in October, and officials set their sight on 10 candidates, just to break even the first year. Having conquered tourism, the university will in the future also offer an additional academic curriculum, opening a Center of Financial Regulations Studies with short post-graduate courses given to professionals by professionals.

One last detail, the University of Aruba is located in town, adjacent to the San Francisco church, across the post-office. The colonial building is blessed with outstanding architecture, a gorgeous inner patio, and a tranquil fishpond. It is the Caribbean's answer to an old New England boarding school. A perfect learning environment.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:48:56 AM
I just found this.....

What we haven't heard is that Lorenzo Van Rijn and Jaime Carrasquilla are more than likely one and the same person. If you study the comparison photos at the top you'll see the likeness. Granted his hair is bleached blonde and his eyebrows are grown out, he appears to be wearing aplenty of sunscreen to keep his naturally dark complexion from getting more sun than necessary and the oils show in his skin. He may even be donning colored contacts in one photo.

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html


On this page there is a photographic comparison of Jaime Carrasquilla and Lorenzo van Rijn.  If this is true, the picture of Lorenzo that we have isn't really him.  Was it Finbar or CAPS who said something earlier today about someone without a picture?  This page speculates that Lorenzo actually has blonde hair.  Could this be the blonde haired Dutch boy that Natalee was hanging out with and not von Cromvoirt?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 01:50:16 AM
12/09/2005
DIARIO Aruba

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Thursday, the Public Prosecutor sent a press release to all media, related to an article that appeared in the Amigoe newspaper, where it was published the Attorney General is involved in ongoing cases.

The release says the following: About the level of handling, the Public Prosecutor has decided that it is only the information department of the Public Prosecution that will maintain contact with the press and give information about penal cases.

The information department is equipped with qualified people in the area of information and communications. All workers have to leave them to this handling.

It is not true that the AG involved herself in cases that are ongoing. The AG did not ‘dismiss’ any case either. The AG does not have the authority to do so, only the prosecutor ...

... The AG does not permit any person or institution to influence the decision of the prosecutor. The AG was not involved in the decision in the cases of two suspects of the governing board office ...

... The AG does not involve herself in the decisions of the prosecutor ...

... The AG regrets that things that are not true are said about the Public Prosecutor’s Office ...

... When the AG assumed her work, she met a Public Prosecution’s office that was disorganized, where there was no supervision of the work performed by prosecutors, where it was not known how many cases entered, what type of cases these where, and what happened to this cases.

There was never a management plan, where all souls were working on the same yearly summary of four or five pages, where case dossiers were disappearing without anyone knowing where they went.

Cases remained dormant to later be dismissed, because time had elapsed. Work procedures were not fixed and almost no work rules existed for prosecutors ...

... An example of bad use of power is when permission is given to detain a person for a punishable offense, with the objective to interrogate for another punishable offense.

Another example is when dossiers of a case end up (missing?) and after a lot of searching it comes out that the person is responsible is from the Public Prosecution’s Office ...

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Posted by Getagrip at 12/09/2005 11:53:00 PM
In response to yesterday's Amigo article:

ARUBA – Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) gave the public prosecutor (OM) till December 17th the time to solve the internal problems. The conflict between chief district attorney Karin Janssen and Attorney General Theresa Croes-Fernandes Perna has been going on for six months already. The minister is now threatening with taking measures against the chief district attorney, because the Attorney General (PG) is her superior.

One of the reasons for the conflict is the way the media was informed in the Holloway case. Janssen, who is a media-officer in the Netherlands, is of the opinion that it was not professionally done.

The conflict escalated when Janssen was interviewed by the Nova. The OM then sent Janssen’s cellular telephone number to all the local and international media that was present. “Now that she has spoken to one journalist, she might as well speak to all of them”, said OM-media information official Mariaine Croes, daughter of the Attorney General.

At that moment, Janssen was up to her ears in the investigation on the disappeared Natalee Holloway and got in trouble because of this. It was decided shortly after that the OM would only give written information on this case.

Another reason for the conflict is that Janssen is of the opinion that the Attorney General is too much involved with current investigations instead of working on policy level. She resents at the PG interfering with the case of two suspicious MEP-supporters that made anonymous threats by phone from the Government office. The PG dismissed this case without consulting Janssen.

Former chief of police, Jan van der Straten also clashed with minister Croes about this.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_04_archive.html




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 01:55:36 AM
Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 02:01:27 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 02:11:22 AM
CAPS - does the name Brandon Pietersz have any connection to this?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 02:14:28 AM
Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.

#2 is Jaime Carrasquilla, for sure
#1 is Brandon Pieterzz (sp?)

these are Lorenzo/prepare to be disappointed:


(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/LorenzoArrested062007_thumb.jpg) (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:FiD2wndAkIIGIM:http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Lorenzo_pics.jpg)
(http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7466/piwannabee6fq.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 02:18:30 AM
OK CAPS, how does Ruben Trapenberg, the government spokesman fit into Lorenzo through someone named Terri?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 02:26:44 AM
VMS - did CAPS bail on us?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 02:31:08 AM
VAN RIJN IM- EN EXPORT N.V.

Business address BARCADERA 4, SANTA CRUZ
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company VAN RIJN IM- EN EXPORT N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 15 JANUARY 1991
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

VAN RIJN, PAUL; Residing in BARCADERA 4, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 27 DECEMBER 1958
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 21 JANUARY 1991
Authority FULL

VAN RIJN-VAN TRAKSEL, ASTRID LOUISE;
Residing in SAVANETA 123-K, SAVANETA, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 10 FEBRUARY 1960
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 21 JANUARY 1991
Authority FULL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 04, 2008, 02:33:20 AM
VMS - did CAPS bail on us?

I guess so!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Strangest thing, SS, I wanted to ask about Ruben also.  :shock:

I'm bailing now too. Goodnight!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 03:01:59 AM
VMS - did CAPS bail on us?

I guess so!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Strangest thing, SS, I wanted to ask about Ruben also.  :shock:

I'm bailing now too. Goodnight!

if it is not van rijn it must be some one that deal with MP on the drug side. that is related to paules.

The was a drug deal that was suposed to be made but the deal did not go trough

I did not bail out eventough it is 3:00 AM

We have a lot of new keys and have progressd a lot.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 04, 2008, 03:19:13 AM
Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.

#2 is Jaime Carrasquilla, for sure
#1 is Brandon Pieterzz (sp?)

these are Lorenzo/prepare to be disappointed:


(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/LorenzoArrested062007_thumb.jpg) (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:FiD2wndAkIIGIM:http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Lorenzo_pics.jpg)
(http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7466/piwannabee6fq.jpg)

Caps This is Lorenzo VanGijn when he was busted at his home for drugs....We don't know for sure if He is Paulus' son or not...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 03:33:13 AM
There is a connection between Traxel (Lorenzo's mother's name and a Dijk (the restaurant name from Finbar) that has something to do with drinking water on Aruba.

Keuten, MGA, Keltjens, JT, Traksel, D & Dijk, JC van (2007). Traditional and future pool water treatment in relation to dbp’s. In L Dunemann & C Höller (Eds.), 2nd Pool and Spa Conference (pp. 1-2). Munchen:


Is this possibly the link between van Rijn and the tourist business?

Good news for education

The minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision. He then introduced the Director of Part-time Programs at the CHN Leewarden University, Ernest Jonker. The visitor gave a presentation of the local university's new phase of development, namely the introduction of a Part-time Bachelor's degree in hospitality, offered on Aruba to members of hospitality middle management aspiring to accelerate their careers and move into higher management functions.

Apparently, the two local Law and Business/Economics faculties have been doing very well graduating Aruban professionals who find it easy to secure employment once their diplomas are in hand.

During the press conference, the university announced its intention to expand and include hospitality. It partnered with an excellent Dutch learning source. Van Rijn called it the #1 Hotel & Management Training Institute within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It is the University of Professional Education, CHN Leeuwarden, who was willing to develop within three years full time Bachelor and Master programs of hospitality management on the island.

That's really constitutes good news. Tourism is an economic pillar of our community and the ability to get educated right at home, saves cost and allows middle management, people already working in the field, an opportunity they never had before. Studies will be conducted in the classroom and via internet, and the admission criteria are quite high. There are academic requirements, language requirements and mostly the program doesn't come cheap, yet it is a fraction of the effort it takes to educate a tourism professional overseas.

School will start in October, and officials set their sight on 10 candidates, just to break even the first year. Having conquered tourism, the university will in the future also offer an additional academic curriculum, opening a Center of Financial Regulations Studies with short post-graduate courses given to professionals by professionals.

One last detail, the University of Aruba is located in town, adjacent to the San Francisco church, across the post-office. The colonial building is blessed with outstanding architecture, a gorgeous inner patio, and a tranquil fishpond. It is the Caribbean's answer to an old New England boarding school. A perfect learning environment.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html#story4


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 04:11:12 AM
CAPS - does this have anything to do with the 1982 arrest of Robert Chemaly when he had $500,000 in cash on Eastern Airline plane headed for Aruba?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:23:46 AM
Hi SS...Been off looking for that bathtub post for Hotping...I finally ran across it after Tyler posting about it all this time and saved it to show her. She hasn't been on for a while and now I can't find it? I know it wasn't on Val's myspace, it was on some girl's.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:30:14 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 05:11:18 AM
There is a connection between Traxel (Lorenzo's mother's name and a Dijk (the restaurant name from Finbar) that has something to do with drinking water on Aruba.

Keuten, MGA, Keltjens, JT, Traksel, D & Dijk, JC van (2007). Traditional and future pool water treatment in relation to dbp’s. In L Dunemann & C Höller (Eds.), 2nd Pool and Spa Conference (pp. 1-2). Munchen:


Is this possibly the link between van Rijn and the tourist business?

Good news for education

The minister of Education, Mary Wever met the press at the University of Aruba this week, Wednesday. Also in attendance Jeroen van Rijen the rector of that 12-year-old school. He gave an academic overview of the institution's activities and outlined its future vision. He then introduced the Director of Part-time Programs at the CHN Leewarden University, Ernest Jonker. The visitor gave a presentation of the local university's new phase of development, namely the introduction of a Part-time Bachelor's degree in hospitality, offered on Aruba to members of hospitality middle management aspiring to accelerate their careers and move into higher management functions.

Apparently, the two local Law and Business/Economics faculties have been doing very well graduating Aruban professionals who find it easy to secure employment once their diplomas are in hand.

During the press conference, the university announced its intention to expand and include hospitality. It partnered with an excellent Dutch learning source. Van Rijn called it the #1 Hotel & Management Training Institute within the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It is the University of Professional Education, CHN Leeuwarden, who was willing to develop within three years full time Bachelor and Master programs of hospitality management on the island.

That's really constitutes good news. Tourism is an economic pillar of our community and the ability to get educated right at home, saves cost and allows middle management, people already working in the field, an opportunity they never had before. Studies will be conducted in the classroom and via internet, and the admission criteria are quite high. There are academic requirements, language requirements and mostly the program doesn't come cheap, yet it is a fraction of the effort it takes to educate a tourism professional overseas.

School will start in October, and officials set their sight on 10 candidates, just to break even the first year. Having conquered tourism, the university will in the future also offer an additional academic curriculum, opening a Center of Financial Regulations Studies with short post-graduate courses given to professionals by professionals.

One last detail, the University of Aruba is located in town, adjacent to the San Francisco church, across the post-office. The colonial building is blessed with outstanding architecture, a gorgeous inner patio, and a tranquil fishpond. It is the Caribbean's answer to an old New England boarding school. A perfect learning environment.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html#story4

The drinking water....seem to recall that being tied to another of suspects.

The morphing together of the players...the misinformation campaign.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 05:37:51 AM
Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.



I doubt he and Jamie are the same one.  They look nothing alike outside of holding their head the same way, hardly.  j/b

ALSO:  GCV worked at Red Sails as well as beach security.  Speaking of wind.
Not sure if he had an interest in the co. or not.  His dad has plenty of dough to stake him in about anything.

Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 05:49:08 AM
Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.



Note Jaime's ear lobes.........lol....a croes?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:04:31 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos



No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 06:14:26 AM
Picture # 1 is supposedly Lorenzo on Tatoo.  Picture # 2 is Jaime.



Note Jaime's ear lobes.........lol....a croes?


Good Morning jackb...there is more to Jaime than meets the eye I think.

I have questioned many times the Kalpoes being out with Joran 2 nights in a row, when he always went with Jaime and Freddy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 06:16:18 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:25:21 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:27:45 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:31:23 AM
VMS - did CAPS bail on us?

I guess so!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Strangest thing, SS, I wanted to ask about Ruben also.  :shock:

I'm bailing now too. Goodnight!

if it is not van rijn it must be some one that deal with MP on the drug side. that is related to paules.

The was a drug deal that was suposed to be made but the deal did not go trough

I did not bail out eventough it is 3:00 AM

We have a lot of new keys and have progressd a lot.



What about the rock painter that looks so much like he would be kin to Anita?  That buzzard was painting over evidence.  The whole picture is something other than just rock painting.  I have seen "the light."  so to speak.       jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 06:42:37 AM
OK CAPS, how does Ruben Trapenberg, the government spokesman fit into Lorenzo through someone named Terri?


went to Deepak's "Tickle" site and visited the different photos and friends of Deepak. Under "Terri" her friends are "Tito" & "Rubin". Also pulled up two photo's under "cool people"... "Alexx" is holding an axe with blood on the front of his paints. Another cool people is "Angela" in a bathtub of blood along with her other disturbing pictures. Where are their parents? How old are these girls. Doesn't anyone monitor or censor this site?
Also... King of Bling", what does that mean?

Posted by: kathy | Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 11:10 AM   RWV


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 06:45:20 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 04, 2008, 07:13:09 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 07:16:29 AM
SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...


Let iit roll klaas

The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot

to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.


CAPS - Are you saying the Steve Croes' correct name is Hendrick Severino Croes?
If so, then Finbar was giving us the correct tip and his great grandparents would have been Ezau Henriquez and Maria Regina Croes.  Their daughter, Ellen Henriquez, would have had a daughter named Imolda who married someone named Croes - Rudy, Hendrick, or an additional brother.  Which one is Dirty Hand?


Betico???


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 07:35:25 AM
Interesting posts last night...thanks everyone...I think I have developed an interest in Genealogy...any site you could recommend SS?...TIA

Seems I missed the memo on Sydney Ponson he has been posted about on at least two different occasion in the past week...Caps...texasmom...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 07:47:55 AM
Found this and I just posted from an interview the other day that said he was Freddy's lawyer...there has got to be some mistake somewhere. Can't be here...this one is official. ::MonkeyNoNo::

the lawyer E. Zeppenfeldt, counselor for suspect S. Kalpoe, the suspects J. van der Sloot, D. Kalpoe and S. Kalpoe.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 08:30:03 AM
Good Morning,

My theory is that Paulus was involved with the Norte Valle Cartel. And that Steve Croes was a bag man for Paulus running all types of errants. Deliveries and pick-ups.

Steve had no known connections to any of the three until Natalee became a crime victim. I believe Paulus called Steve to place Natalee, Joran, Deepak and possibly Satish on the beach and AWAY from the Sloot house. And it's been working still to this day.

I also believe Van Der Straaten fabricated the cell tower triangulation to insulate Paulus and his house. He did that as a favor.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 04, 2008, 09:29:07 AM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



jackb,

finngirl is NOT the only poster who has not seen them, neither have I.

I think you have seen someone other than Lorenzo in pictures surrrounded by girls.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 10:17:02 AM
Found this on 24 ORA. I would post a link but I have to use anonymouse to view the pictures because they blocked my IP when I boosted a ton of pictures (that were posted, I didn't hack it and snoop around) from their site. I just went to the search bar and typed in "Trudy Hassell"... pretty easy for anyone to do.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/TrudyHassellleavesAruba2.jpg)

This looks like she left in 2007 and has a 5 year deal. I am not sure if this coincides with the date Martini has found, but it certainly could be.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 10:23:38 AM
In my book of Dirty Hands only Comemencia and Richardson remain now.

Van Der Straaten gone.
Hassell gone.
Dompig gone.

All just my opinion...

remember commissioners come and go and so does the dirty hand gang.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 10:44:28 AM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.

Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?






Lorenzo

OK last name:?

other key scores ::MonkeyDance::



Lorenzo van Rijn


Was Lorenzo van Rijn the guy who Natalee had met earlier in the week?  He's crazy.  Did he get mad at Joran when Joran showed up at Brickell Bay with Natalee?  IIRC Lorenzo's excuse was that he was with his family that night.
I think LVR's alibi was a girlfriend, that some have stated recanted the alibi.

I don't know how reliable this information is but it's something I saved while searching for information about him:
judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm  (http://judicial-inc.biz/j_0_ran_aruba_crime.htm)
Lorenzo van Rijn seems to collect a lot of trash talk, but, for the most part, he seems to be a friend of at least one of the suspects. There are rumors that they met Natalee Holloway at the Excelsior Casino, but then, so did a lot of people. The only troubling information that I heard about Lorenzo is that he changes his name in Holland to van Wehl or Wiess (sp?). Currently, Lorenzo resides in Holland. On the night of Natalee's disappearance, he has an alibi. Despite all the unsubstatiated trash talk, he seems to be a fun-loving, adventuresome and semi-wealthy guy that Natalee might have enjoyed. Beyond that, Lorenzo is hard to pin down.



Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.
He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls. He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.


Would you mind showing us those photos of Lorenzo and the girls?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 10:48:22 AM
Lorenzo's mother had the relationship with Paulass, obviously at some point before Paulass met the Ditch Witch.  What is his mother's maiden name?  Is it Chemaly?
I don't know her last name right now ,but i found this in my notes
Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:34 pm
arubagirl: I know that right now I'm being an information tease, but it's just ridiculous that I'm afraid that I'm going to be howled out of the message board. Deep sigh Here goes:
According to neighbours of van Rijn's mom, this lady had an affair with v/d Sloot before he was married to his current wife, and the result was Lorenzo van Rijn. Natalee was held at Lorenzo's house (who lives alone), since he has a basement (not many houses here have a basement). Natalee has been moved from house to house belonging to those that are in the plan (don't know what plan that is). They are afraid to kill her what with everybody focusing on the case.
Look, I KNOW. I KNOW. It's sounds to utterly fantastic and ridiculous. Please don't kill me, troll me, flame me. Not for this. I WANT it to be true, that she is still alive.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 10:49:47 AM
Terry...friend of Deepak..posted here on SM for a while...at one time I had all those posts...lives in Texas...I think.  I will try to find them again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 10:56:44 AM
 Name/Title/Description: Interview with Wendy Terry
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Dallas, Texas
Writer/Initiator: SA J. Brooke Donahue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 11:30:21 AM
jackb,

finngirl is NOT the only poster who has not seen them, neither have I.

I think you have seen someone other than Lorenzo in pictures surrrounded by girls.

 jackb you always say you have pictures or info but you never share them hmmm.

I have to agree with Finngirl and vms I hae never seen these so called pictures.
Please post them.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 11:46:02 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA


Godd Morning Mum,

I finally crashed.  I haven't found a relationship between Steve Croes and GVC or Weber.  The gnealogy information for the Antilles is very incomplete with just little clumps of information.  It seems that so many of the people also have origins in the Netherlands, so that makes it even more difficult.  For the most part, I also don't have names of the youngest two generations.  This probably why so many of these cousins have been able to fly under the radar so well. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 11:59:02 AM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.



Mum,  When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick.  Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes.  Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 12:25:02 PM
Wow, I have spent hours trying to connect Lorenzo with Aruba Today and a deal that went bad.  Somebody owed somebody money. Aruba today would be Chemaly or Renfro and her side kicks.  I'm also not sure who CAP's German DH is.  Van Rijn is a Dutch name and Traksol is also Dutch.  Chemaly is Lebanese and we already identified Chemaly and Renfro as DHs.  Does it go through Guido Weber?  Where does Guido dance in this mess?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 12:39:35 PM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.



Mum,  When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick.  Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes.  Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.


SS...Thanks...I had that figured out...The other brother was Betico, accidently killed, some say ,in a car accident on the biggest night of his life! Well I think he lived for a little while, but died from the trauma of the accident.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 04, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.



Mum,  When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick.  Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes.  Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.


SS,

IIRC, it was reported when Steve Croes was arrested that there was no relationship to Rudy Croes or Marianne Croes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 12:51:42 PM
Wow, I have spent hours trying to connect Lorenzo with Aruba Today and a deal that went bad.  Somebody owed somebody money. Aruba today would be Chemaly or Renfro and her side kicks.  I'm also not sure who CAP's German DH is.  Van Rijn is a Dutch name and Traksol is also Dutch.  Chemaly is Lebanese and we already identified Chemaly and Renfro as DHs.  Does it go through Guido Weber?  Where does Guido dance in this mess?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Sorry...I can't help with this one...too many questions around Guido/Lorenzo Wever and around Lorenzo van Rijn/Geijn or Gijn as Jossy called him.

I'm not 100% sure who either of them really are. I take a lot out of Aruba with a grain of salt.

There was a Wever that was Hendrik Croes's partner, looks like he died from the website....think it was 2006....Has a son with the firm called Geoffrey born I think in 1980...hmmm!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 01:09:54 PM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.



Mum,  When I just answered you, I forgot that you probably didn't have the bigger Steve Croes find. He is the son of Hendrick Cores (the lawyer and former Minister) or one of Hendrick's brothers - but, probably Hendrick.  Rudy Croes is the brother of Hendrick Croes.  Steve Croes is the nephew of Rudy Croes.


So this is definite that Steve Croes is related to THE Hendrick Croes of Aruba?  Gosh!  He sure doesn't act like it...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 01:20:22 PM
Yoo Hoo!!  Anyone home? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 01:42:22 PM
Also, since no one is listening to me I want to know about the Christy White connection...I have a theory about that reporter/producer and her cameraman's suicides, but would really like to make that connection if possible.  Where is everyone?  Taking a nap??   :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 01:59:53 PM
Yoo Hoo!!  Anyone home? 


Sorry...I was knocking, but I couldn't get in...darn dish!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 02:09:46 PM
Also, since no one is listening to me I want to know about the Christy White connection...I have a theory about that reporter/producer and her cameraman's suicides, but would really like to make that connection if possible.  Where is everyone?  Taking a nap??   :roll:



I have a theory too...they were not suicides...

I don't know anything on Christy White other than Hotping's explanation yesterday...middle name and white girl in Aruba of some-one, maybe Julia's Mom...Sorry no sleep....darn phones?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 02:22:46 PM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.

MUM, thanks.  I have to go out of town today.  Will have lap top access, however.  Wonder what that pic was all about that had Julia, and a younger male and female who looked sort of alike.  He is ballheaded.  After pulling that picture and resizing and doing some lighting the part (your right) in the background.  I have a very good and enlarged picture of GVC there.  Farther messing with that picture revealed, it looked like some type of ceremony in the background.  It looked like they had some type cloth folded and a sorth of shaped like a high heeled shoe, but I believe it was a two pronged mark.  The GVC pic over this had an arm extended and it appeared a black-looking round mark wad on a closed fist.  His other arm showed clearly a watch.  Try to see if you can find a picture of him with a watch.  I have seen that watch before somewhere.  I sent this to Klaas, if she wants to post it, it is ok with me, but it may be something the people who own this investigation here in the states need.  I do not post pictures directly, as it can open the door for some to enter into my pictures and either change them or copy them.  Some people have the knowlege to do that, but I keep them mostly on outside storage.  Also have ways to prevent this, but I am just careful.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:27:13 PM
About that photo of Julia and co.   Do we know when it was taken?  I must have missed a date on it...I have an idea about it and what was taking place at the time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:31:26 PM
There is a photo of Julia with a man where he is holding her around her waist....does anyone know where that photo is?   It is the photo I commented on some time ago and said she actually looked happy in that photo for a change. TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 02:31:48 PM
SS...Did you find a Croes connection to GVC?...TIA

Which Croes?  If it is steve.  GVC and he have made pics together partying with girls and other guys.  Close up (non grainy) and just showing off GVC six pacs.   



Jackb...SS and texasmom posted something about a Croes connection last night...I haven't had much sleep and am trying to read back...I will bring it forward when I find it.

MUM, thanks.  I have to go out of town today.  Will have lap top access, however.  Wonder what that pic was all about that had Julia, and a younger male and female who looked sort of alike.  He is ballheaded.  After pulling that picture and resizing and doing some lighting the part (your right) in the background.  I have a very good and enlarged picture of GVC there.  Farther messing with that picture revealed, it looked like some type of ceremony in the background.  It looked like they had some type cloth folded and a sorth of shaped like a high heeled shoe, but I believe it was a two pronged mark.  The GVC pic over this had an arm extended and it appeared a black-looking round mark wad on a closed fist.  His other arm showed clearly a watch.  Try to see if you can find a picture of him with a watch.  I have seen that watch before somewhere.  I sent this to Klaas, if she wants to post it, it is ok with me, but it may be something the people who own this investigation here in the states need.  I do not post pictures directly, as it can open the door for some to enter into my pictures and either change them or copy them.  Some people have the knowlege to do that, but I keep them mostly on outside storage.  Also have ways to prevent this, but I am just careful.   Jackb

Mum, Sorry  IT IS THE PIC WITH HER "HUBBY" IN THE PURPLE SHIRT.

That is the picture that has the pic pretty clearly of GVC.  Steve Croes and he seem like great buddies.  I am getting ready to leave and sort of in a hurry.  Later on I will use the laptop provided and get back on here, but I don't what time.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 02:38:51 PM
There is a photo of Julia with a man where he is holding her around her waist....does anyone know where that photo is?   It is the photo I commented on some time ago and said she actually looked happy in that photo for a change. TIA

Here is another this I was told is her Hubby, I think he is very cute, sorry guys lol

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia-1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 04, 2008, 02:38:53 PM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.

Like you would know so much about Lorenzo?  You know NO pics are out there.
I will tell you this and it may enable to to think a bit more about what you are saying.  You are incorrect in your assumptions.  There are pictures (maybe) that even I have not seen.  The US has pictures of nearly every human bein on this planet, up to and including Lorenzo.  No one escapes the eye in the sky and/or
planes that fly over so high or so low that radar cannot pick them up.  As for me seeing your.  I do not need to, as I probably have what I need.  PS tell your little friends they made a bad mistake.      Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:41:34 PM
There is a photo of Julia with a man where he is holding her around her waist....does anyone know where that photo is?   It is the photo I commented on some time ago and said she actually looked happy in that photo for a change. TIA

Here is another this I was told is her Hubby, I think he is very cute, sorry guys lol

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia-1.jpg)

That's it!  What is it with those clothes?  Nevermind, he is handsome.  Thanks.  Did we ever find out his name?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 02:46:38 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/notg.jpg)

I do not see  GVC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:48:31 PM
Me either Blonde...I was looking like crazy for him but I don't see him. I don't do well with photos at all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 02:48:51 PM
There is a photo of Julia with a man where he is holding her around her waist....does anyone know where that photo is?   It is the photo I commented on some time ago and said she actually looked happy in that photo for a change. TIA

Here is another this I was told is her Hubby, I think he is very cute, sorry guys lol

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/Julia-1.jpg)

Didn't the photo with Briesen, in the background have the same funky sleeves, but the dress was pink??

Not sure the guy's relationship but I think his name is Patrick B......, can't remember.  Opened a restaurant or was the wine guy at one.

When did Steven Gregory Croes become Hendrick Severino Croes??  Would he really live in the south end of town if he was from this family?

?Florida used to post pictures that she thought were Lorenzo, in many scenes.  Don't think any panned out.  If there are/were pics of Lorenzo at parties or with girls, I haven't seen them.  Maybe there were two in a couch picture with a cake....but the guy didn't look like the ones of the arrested Lorenzo.   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
Jack what's up with this.


PS tell your little friends they made a bad mistake.      Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:50:54 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:54:22 PM
Buckeye...I agree...for all of Julia's antics, she wears strange clothing better than I could...so yes, that looks like that same style outfit as the pink one.  I have seen some of the people there were very colorful clothing and such...maybe it's a Carribean thing.

I just always thought that she looked very happy in that photo for some reason...but I was told she was just drunk...still MO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 02:56:04 PM
Patrick Boset

Involved in lots of stuff.  Scroll to Kermits pic collection.  Most pics from 2005.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2083.msg274289


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 02:58:37 PM
Patrick Boset

Involved in lots of stuff.  Scroll to Kermits pic collection.  Most pics from 2005.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2083.msg274289

Thank you!  I knew it was Patrick something.  I remember the discussion on him now...wow that's been awhile.   She certainly knows this guy and I would say rather personally at that...but what would I know?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 02:58:47 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?

GVC could be the blond behind Patrick (on left?).  I thought maybe the pics had come from the same function and someone had changed the filter on the camera making the same dress look pink and then blue.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 03:01:52 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?

GVC could be the blond behind Patrick (on left?).  I thought maybe the pics had come from the same function and someone had changed the filter on the camera making the same dress look pink and then blue.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, that seems to be a Soul Beach tag around her neck in the blue...so I am wondering.  I wish I could do a side by side of the two pics to compare. I am not good at that either.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:02:20 PM
Found this one of my folders. This would seem to be after Condi was made Sec of State. Previously she was Foreign Policy Adviser and I doubt would have met with Oduber. I wonder if this was from the meeting in Florida?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/RiceandOduber1.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 03:02:54 PM
From the SM link of Kermit's info:

Boset, Patrick",delta@setarnet.aw
Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","
http://www.0-0.com/txt_s/cn_aruba.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:03:24 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?

GVC could be the blond behind Patrick (on left?).  I thought maybe the pics had come from the same function and someone had changed the filter on the camera making the same dress look pink and then blue.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, that seems to be a Soul Beach tag around her neck in the blue...so I am wondering.  I wish I could do a side by side of the two pics to compare. I am not good at that either.  :roll:

looks to me as if they are standing right in front of Moomba and part of the event that was held on Palm Beach.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:04:48 PM
I'll grab the pics and side by side them ladies.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 03:05:00 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?
That's who Jackb thinks is G VC fighting with someone?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 03:06:50 PM
http://www.tundruk.com/index.php?pg=partners

Arlene Ellis-Schipper
Arlene Ellis-Schipper has studied hotel management at the ‘Hogere Hotel School’ in Maastricht in the Netherlands for two years from 1990 until 1992. During this time she also completed a marketing course and was offered a position as a marketing coordinator and customer service manager in Aruba for a large jewelry store (Colombian Emeralds) in the Caribbean. She has worked in this position from 1992 until 1995 in which period she obtained extensive experience in management, motivation of personnel, customer service and marketing.

Arlene started studying law at the University of Aruba in 1994 and completed her studies in 1999. During this time she worked for a local television station from 1995 until 1996, presenting different kind of local television programs, as well as international shop station programs. This work allowed her to develop public speaking and public relations skills.

Arlene started to practice law as a junior assistant to the Prosecutor (parket secretaris) from 1997 until 1999. After obtaining her degree in law Arlene worked as a senior assistant to the Chief Prosecutor from 1999 until 2001.

In 2001, after having been admitted to the Aruban Bar Association, she has been working as an attorney-at-law in Aruba before becoming partner and managing director of Tundruk Consulting N.V.

Practice areas (1999- 2005):
• Civil law and civil litigation law (in first instance, summary/injunction proceedings, as well as in appeal procedures);
• Commercial law (ie. labor/ purchase/ lease/ distribution/agency and franchise);
• Labor law;
• International private law;
• Prejudgment seizures and executory attachments (including related declaration and validation Court proceedings);
• Corporate and business law;
• Mergers and acquisition;
• Real estate and construction related advices and interferences.
• Criminal law;
• Administrative law.


I haven't found much on Guido Wever, our little croupier.  Guido is the son of Frohved Wever and he is reported to be a cousin of Arlene Ellis-Schipper on his mother's side.  Her name is supposedly Pauline von Raalte.  Frohved is the brother of Seff Weber who I think is connected to the crematorium. The Wever and Sloot families are very close.Guido left Aruba right away and has been in the Netherlands.  There was a relationship with John Chemaly, Jr. and after seeing JACs MySpace page, I am confident in agreeing with the rumors about the orientation of both of them. There are reported to be many photographs of them together, although there is a pretty big age gap.  Guido is supposed to be an outstanding tennis player.  In his 6/16/05 statement to the police, Deepak said that Guido drove a white Nissan.  I did find one rumor that says Frohved Wever is actually Robert Wever of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 03:09:01 PM
I'll grab the pics and side by side them ladies.

Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 03:10:23 PM
Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 03:11:39 PM
Is Steve Croes related to Hendrick Croes?  I am so confused on this...I should hang around a bit more at night.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 03:12:11 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?

GVC could be the blond behind Patrick (on left?).  I thought maybe the pics had come from the same function and someone had changed the filter on the camera making the same dress look pink and then blue.... ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, that seems to be a Soul Beach tag around her neck in the blue...so I am wondering.  I wish I could do a side by side of the two pics to compare. I am not good at that either.  :roll:

looks to me as if they are standing right in front of Moomba and part of the event that was held on Palm Beach.

Yep, and Kermit has them labeled Soul Beach 2005


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 03:13:15 PM
Wait!  There is an arm in that pic that appears to be wearing a watch...could that be what we are looking for?
That's who Jackb thinks is G VC fighting with someone?

But all I see is that arm...is there a wider view that includes that person and others?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 03:13:29 PM
Is Steve Croes related to Hendrick Croes?  I am so confused on this...I should hang around a bit more at night.

I would need some proof of this one.  His house, living with grandma....nothing looks like he is from a prominent family....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 03:18:46 PM
Is Steve Croes related to Hendrick Croes?  I am so confused on this...I should hang around a bit more at night.

I would need some proof of this one.  His house, living with grandma....nothing looks like he is from a prominent family....

I totally agree...no one in Hendrick's family would be treated this way...he is certainly being shunned if that is the case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 03:20:01 PM
I believe he's referring to Patrick Boset (Renfro's husband/friend or whatever) ...
Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GVCANDUNKNOWNMALE3.jpg)
UNKNOWN MALE AND GVC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Is Steve Croes related to Hendrick Croes?  I am so confused on this...I should hang around a bit more at night.

I would need some proof of this one.  His house, living with grandma....nothing looks like he is from a prominent family....

Rudy Croes lives in a 900,ooo florin house... maybe they don't share? LOL ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 03:23:39 PM
Had to go to wayback machine to get originals and they are loading too slow for me.  Some info on the bands (was Caps looking for that?).

http://web.archive.org/web/20051027064441/http://guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/index.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 03:33:20 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:36:36 PM
Had to go to wayback machine to get originals and they are loading too slow for me.  Some info on the bands (was Caps looking for that?).

http://web.archive.org/web/20051027064441/http://guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/index.htm

not loading for me either Buckeye


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 03:48:21 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



HI SS, Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery left HIGH SCHOOL before he got his diploma. He would have been 17 or 18 at the time.

Also, just so you know, I did not delete the name of the person with the last name Alders. I don't have those capabilities and it would have been Klaas, but she may have forgotten to include who deleted it in her haste to get in the tub.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 03:50:17 PM
Had to go to wayback machine to get originals and they are loading too slow for me.  Some info on the bands (was Caps looking for that?).

http://web.archive.org/web/20051027064441/http://guiafashion.com/fashion/internacional/27to29-05-05soulbeach/index.htm

not loading for me either Buckeye

 :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2008, 03:59:22 PM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.

Like you would know so much about Lorenzo?  You know NO pics are out there.
I will tell you this and it may enable to to think a bit more about what you are saying.  You are incorrect in your assumptions.  There are pictures (maybe) that even I have not seen.  The US has pictures of nearly every human bein on this planet, up to and including Lorenzo.  No one escapes the eye in the sky and/or
planes that fly over so high or so low that radar cannot pick them up.  As for me seeing your.  I do not need to, as I probably have what I need.  PS tell your little friends they made a bad mistake.      Jackb

Jackb - I agree with FIN on the Lorenzo picks.  I suggest you (Jackb) drop it and stop attacking posters.  Sure, there are probably lots of photos around of me too but do you have any of them?

This is a warning Jackb - we do not attack other posters and don't claim to have photos that the US Government may or may not have.


Also, please do not ask me to post photos for you.  You are no more special than anyone else here and the majority of us have photobucket accounts.  If we can do it so can you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 04:00:48 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



When Guido was arrested, in Holland.  There was a Dutch poster, on another board, that said the only dental surgery school in Holland was located in the city that Guido was arrested in.  He said the name Wever, much less Guido Wever was unusual there (as opposed to common in Aruba).  He stated that it was a well known fact that the Minister's son was in dental surgery school.  He then identified the dark haired picture as the Guido Wever that he was talking about.  He never posted again (at least under that name).  It doesn't make a lot of sense that that would be the Guido we know.....but.  Early on, there were posts that Guido first went to Canada.  The Minister's son was first in school in Cuba...maybe you can go there when you aren't out of highschool....especially if your dad is the Minister and makes a donation.  Then the postings about being Robert Wever's son came up.  My only thought is....if our Guido is the son of Booshi, it would explain the injunction on the Joran book, the unsigned letter the parents issued and the involvement of Spong.....maybe all that can be said about Robert....but he looked a little ill, in the pics...to try and hide the real identity.

Long story short...I don't know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
I know this has been raised many times and I'm not trying to get the topic going in a new direction, but I DO find it interesting that Posner, or more specifically, the Excelsior seems to not only allowed Joran to gamble with a credit line but also allowed Guido to work tables.

That, my friends, is weird. It's asking for a lawsuit and hopefully the request has been answered  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 04:18:06 PM
I have an interesting thought, well, to me it is, some might not think so...

but has anyone considered that the "gamblers and dice men" might be people that have been banned from the casinos for cheating or other mischief and formed an underground casino?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 04:22:13 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



HI SS, Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery left HIGH SCHOOL before he got his diploma. He would have been 17 or 18 at the time.

Also, just so you know, I did not delete the name of the person with the last name Alders. I don't have those capabilities and it would have been Klaas, but she may have forgotten to include who deleted it in her haste to get in the tub.  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Don't worry about it.  I just don't want you to think that I was attacking your friend.  We just needed a piece of her family tree.  Her genealogy skills are really quite good, by the way.  The information that I had found was not from the site where Finbar had sent us.  Your friend has done some nice genealogy work that is posted at other sites.  Because I can't identify the youngest two generations, I'm still not completely sure that Steve's father is Hendrick or a third brother.  Regardless, Rudy seems to be his uncle. I will go with CAPS on this one for now.

Think about what we have on Guido.  We have information about a kid who was friend of Joran and the group of high school pimps. He was a high school drop out, aged 17 or 18.  I think this Guido is possibly the good tennis player. He was dumpy and not great looking. This Guido wouldn't have been old enough to gamble in the casino let alone be a croupier who had completed croupier school and had enough sophistication to be in the island's top casino.  Supposedly this guy ran to the Netherlands.  Guido #1 is in Holland.

However, another Guido Wever has surfaced.  This guy is older, smarter, and the son of the Minister of Health.  There are reports that he is a model and that he is gay. (Our dumpy Guido looks goofy, not like a model).  There are reports that one of the Guido's is tied to a relationship with John Chemaly who is at least 35.  Guido #2 is a dental student in the Netherlands.  Is it possible that his summer job (arranged by his father) is croupier at a big casino on his home island?  When he's in Aruba. he runs with Lorenzo who is about the same age and probably someone he has known since school.  Steve Croes is also someone he probably would have known since school.

Are we chasing the correct Guido?  Have we assumed that there was only one Guido and possibly put all Guido information into one person?  I'm sure that Renfro and the rest of them weren't going to correst us.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:25:50 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



When Guido was arrested, in Holland.  There was a Dutch poster, on another board, that said the only dental surgery school in Holland was located in the city that Guido was arrested in.  He said the name Wever, much less Guido Wever was unusual there (as opposed to common in Aruba).  He stated that it was a well known fact that the Minister's son was in dental surgery school.  He then identified the dark haired picture as the Guido Wever that he was talking about.  He never posted again (at least under that name).  It doesn't make a lot of sense that that would be the Guido we know.....but.  Early on, there were posts that Guido first went to Canada.  The Minister's son was first in school in Cuba...maybe you can go there when you aren't out of highschool....especially if your dad is the Minister and makes a donation.  Then the postings about being Robert Wever's son came up.  My only thought is....if our Guido is the son of Booshi, it would explain the injunction on the Joran book, the unsigned letter the parents issued and the involvement of Spong.....maybe all that can be said about Robert....but he looked a little ill, in the pics...to try and hide the real identity.

Long story short...I don't know.


TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
SS and Mum, I'm sure there very well could be TWO Guido Wevers. And there could be a few Steve Croes'... we know there are at least two.

The question is - is frumpy dumpy Guido the person that works at the casino? and underage at that! I think he is.

The people on the island share only about 1000 (just guessing) individual names. You are bound to run into quite a few duplicates. Now I am quite confidant that the Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery is Joran's friend and only about 20-21 years old today.

SS AG is not my friend...LOL... I have never met her and have only had a few email conversations with her and none in a few years. Sorry if I left you with that impression. I apologize. I do admit she is quite talented when it come to genealogy. She has a mouth like a sailor on shore leave . . . . LOL . . . .


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:36:16 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::




Sorry…I didn’t mean to yell, but I got locked out.  I just posted that there could be two, even asked Caps if he had the right Guido…I think!…LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 04:39:39 PM
Buckeye, I have come to the conclusion that the way back machine is totally useless. It never finds what I am looking for. And now there are no archives for Aru-Bay in 2005. '06 and '07 are still there, but the rest it gone. Go figger!! and they have nothing for 9-11-2005... it's like they removed it on purpose.

maybe others have had better luck with that site.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:40:19 PM
SS and Mum, I'm sure there very well could be TWO Guido Wevers. And there could be a few Steve Croes'... we know there are at least two.

The question is - is frumpy dumpy Guido the person that works at the casino? and underage at that! I think he is.

The people on the island share only about 1000 (just guessing) individual names. You are bound to run into quite a few duplicates. Now I am quite confidant that the Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery is Joran's friend and only about 20-21 years old today.

SS AG is not my friend...LOL... I have never met her and have only had a few email conversations with her and none in a few years. Sorry if I left you with that impression. I apologize. I do admit she is quite talented when it come to genealogy. She has a mouth like a sailor on shore leave . . . . LOL . . . .

Not the guy with the scratches according to Jossy…the frumpy one I mean….supposed to be another arrest in the Netherlands at the same time…didn’t happen!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 04:41:16 PM
Buckeye, I have come to the conclusion that the way back machine is totally useless. It never finds what I am looking for. And now there are no archives for Aru-Bay in 2005. '06 and '07 are still there, but the rest it gone. Go figger!! and they have nothing for 9-11-2005 2001... it's like they removed it on purpose.

maybe others have had better luck with that site.



sssssself edit.... for idiocy!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 04:42:36 PM
OK, it looks like there are two Guido Wevers . ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Guido Wever, son of the Health Minister, is currently a student of dental surgery in the Netherlands.  From the stuff that I looked at, this guy is fair and thin, not dumpy and dark like the Guido pictures that we have.

I have a question.  How old is Guido?  According to what I am reading a croupier must be 21 years old.  Guido wasn't 21 was he?  So, is the Guido Wever who was a croupier the same Guido Wever who was Joran's buddy in the pictures that we have?  Or, is the Guido dental student now in the Netherlands the Guido who worked as a croupier and probably not a close friend of Joran? 

Does this make sense?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::



HI SS, Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery left HIGH SCHOOL before he got his diploma. He would have been 17 or 18 at the time.

Also, just so you know, I did not delete the name of the person with the last name Alders. I don't have those capabilities and it would have been Klaas, but she may have forgotten to include who deleted it in her haste to get in the tub.  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Don't worry about it.  I just don't want you to think that I was attacking your friend.  We just needed a piece of her family tree.  Her genealogy skills are really quite good, by the way.  The information that I had found was not from the site where Finbar had sent us.  Your friend has done some nice genealogy work that is posted at other sites.  Because I can't identify the youngest two generations, I'm still not completely sure that Steve's father is Hendrick or a third brother.  Regardless, Rudy seems to be his uncle. I will go with CAPS on this one for now.

Think about what we have on Guido.  We have information about a kid who was friend of Joran and the group of high school pimps. He was a high school drop out, aged 17 or 18.  I think this Guido is possibly the good tennis player. He was dumpy and not great looking. This Guido wouldn't have been old enough to gamble in the casino let alone be a croupier who had completed croupier school and had enough sophistication to be in the island's top casino.  Supposedly this guy ran to the Netherlands.  Guido #1 is in Holland.

However, another Guido Wever has surfaced.  This guy is older, smarter, and the son of the Minister of Health.  There are reports that he is a model and that he is gay. (Our dumpy Guido looks goofy, not like a model).  There are reports that one of the Guido's is tied to a relationship with John Chemaly who is at least 35.  Guido #2 is a dental student in the Netherlands.  Is it possible that his summer job (arranged by his father) is croupier at a big casino on his home island?  When he's in Aruba. he runs with Lorenzo who is about the same age and probably someone he has known since school.  Steve Croes is also someone he probably would have known since school.

Are we chasing the correct Guido?  Have we assumed that there was only one Guido and possibly put all Guido information into one person?  I'm sure that Renfro and the rest of them weren't going to correst us.

He may have looked frumpy but the pic was downloaded from an Aruban Gay model site. IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 04:43:51 PM
SS and Mum, I'm sure there very well could be TWO Guido Wevers. And there could be a few Steve Croes'... we know there are at least two.

The question is - is frumpy dumpy Guido the person that works at the casino? and underage at that! I think he is.

The people on the island share only about 1000 (just guessing) individual names. You are bound to run into quite a few duplicates. Now I am quite confidant that the Guido Wever that was charged with heavy battery is Joran's friend and only about 20-21 years old today.

SS AG is not my friend...LOL... I have never met her and have only had a few email conversations with her and none in a few years. Sorry if I left you with that impression. I apologize. I do admit she is quite talented when it come to genealogy. She has a mouth like a sailor on shore leave . . . . LOL . . . .

Not the guy with the scratches according to Jossy…the frumpy one I mean….supposed to be another arrest in the Netherlands at the same time…didn’t happen!

maybe I'm even more confused... where Caps to boolean me and get my head right?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

so there was another person, same name, arrested? holy cow, no wonder this seems is so screwed up!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 04:45:11 PM
Has anyone ever seen a picture of the "other" Guido?  The Minister's son??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 04:46:22 PM
SS…Tito put the Lorenzo Wever info out there…it was all meant to confuse!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 04:51:03 PM
TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

Mum, I'm listening. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that the press and everyone jumped on Joran's goofy and lumpy friend Guido Wever as the croupier.  I'm going to call him Guido #1.

IMO the Guido who is the diceman and probably in with Lorenzo and Chemaly is dental student Guido #2.

I just can't see Posner putting a recent underaged high school drop out at his Excelsior tables during the peak of tourist season.  The dealer has to be able to count quickly and he would have to be mentally sharp.  Would our goofy and lumpy Guido #1 fit this picture?

There was also a report that the van der Sloot and Wever families were very close friends for many years.  My gut says that Paulass and the Minister were old friends from somewhere.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 05:04:37 PM
Picture #1 is Guido #1.  This is the Guido we have all followed.  This was taken from the Aruban Modeling shots.  I can't imagine what he's modeling.  He's hobvioulsy had no training - look at the posture and the way he holds his hands. 

Guido #2.  This is a photograph that I borrowed from another blog.  Someone over there claims that this is Guido Wever.  I can't verify anything.

Will the real Guido Wever please stand up?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 05:05:38 PM


REALLY OLD POST…maybe look at David…will post it all as I have to go…


I was trying to put this to rest one way or the other as I still have my other ‘David’ to follow up on. Strange I started with ‘only David left the den alive’ and look where it led me. I can’t tell if Pita’s and jackb’s David are the same. I am absolutely no good at pics. So have put the link Nut found right in the middle.


David Wever/Lorenzo Wever?Guido Wever

 Jacobus Lorenzo ‘David’ Wever that died at age 69, jackb said he left for Holland, may have been the manager at the HI casino


Lorenzo/Guido Wever -  we already know all about him, or do we?


David Wever – from Pita page 46 of the other thread – leaning against what appears to be a white pickup.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/584378--Dave--Profile-html


David Wever – that jackb posted on page 69 and which Klaas posted the picture on page 70.

Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn/Sijn…..need I say more!




Lorenzo Wever?
Rjames forums…9/9/2005
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:LoWHbBrK9kIJ:www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_48.html+%2B%22natalee+Holloway%22+%2Bbreakfast+%2Bbrunch+%2Bolder+man&hl=en
Posted by: Noplanstovisit | Aug 21, 2005 5:32:10 AM
"Tag team set up. Lorenzo Wever (casino employee, flew to Holland right after Natalee’s disappearance) befriends Natalie and makes sure he sits with her at breakfast so that observers will think something is going on between them (and maybe so, maybe not)."

"About all I'll say - 24 was the age I heard. And I am aware of a poker dealer who allegedly quit and left Aruba the day after he was questioned. Have no more info on that."
Posted by: Dan | Aug 21, 2005 3:14:08 AM



Snipped from a post on Jan 26th.

I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once.


http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/a/hiram-vrolijk-friend-of-joran_post77.html


GrannyToad- 05-27-2006

Why does it matter who this boy is? He isn't even close to being one of the suspects. We never know if or which of Joran's pals were involved in what way with Natalee being disappeared, ladytiger. You have your personal interests, at BFN we want Natalee found or to learn how she was Disappeared. that doesn't mean that we have to discuss every distrant friend or every kid that was on the same school as a suspect. There are already way too much suspects to begin with. Discussing every person on the island in Joran's age group is not productive IMHO.
‘Ya spose? I knew about Guido a couple months before his name came up. Oh yeah, really last June except that Tito made a mistake and referred to him as Lorenzo. There is another Lorenzo, Wever, at that casino so I understand the mistake if Tito didn't know either well. So if in cases like Guido's and Koen's whom I'd also identified before they hit the blogs, it's good to know. Are there more to know, besides Freddy, Jaime, Steve Croes, the Kalpoe brothers ... ?’


January 23, 2008, 05:42:17 AM
Lala's...I found these posts from *******....on: January 02, 2008, 07:48:19 PM  Quote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 07:08:12 PMQuote from: ******* on January 02, 2008, 05:40:27 PMLorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government We know Guido's dad is Robert Wever a politician and the chairman of the Aliansa / MSA. No idea if Guido is related to Booshi Wever or the other high ranking Wevers. But I have long been suspicious that PVDS was not the only father who influenced this case.

January 23, 2008, 04:35:03 AM
Seeing Guido is being discussed again, this is what I found in the last LCD before we went to the new format and had posted tn the Shango and Simian thread.....Bringing this discussion from August forward as Jossy is quoted as saying that it was not Guido who had the scratches.    dialogue from final LCD thread on August 11, 2007, 07:07:02 PMHow did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night? Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?I've a question. Did Jossy say or write that the scratches were on GvC not Guido?He was detained last Wednesday. He was considered a witness in June, 2005. Since February of this year, he is now a suspect. Prosecutor in Aruba want him very quickly. Main evidence against him is witness made statements against him. He claims that he is innocent and never met Natalee last June. Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

January 14, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
Do we know if Guido is Aruban or Dutch? I'm getting kinda stuck on someone else running off to the Netherlands...but that's because in the back of my mind I have one of the SG's mothers saying 'dutch brothers' from an influential family.

January 11, 2008, 11:00:53 AM
From June 5th 2005….8.34AM …Arbeej

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=6



quote:
"* One of the 3 original "persons of interest" is the son of a Judge on the island of Aruba..."

This was actually confirmed for us by an Aruban news reporter. He confirmed that one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer. It was not, however, clarified as to whether their Dads and the rest of the families live and work on Aruba. The three boys, though born in other countries, are legal residents of Aruba. I do not Know long they have lived there, but they are indeed legal residents.                   
                         -------------------------------------------


I will quit here as this path starts leading me to Sander and Koen.
 
So I wonder who were the two Dutch brothers reportedly arrested early on?

Lorenzo/Joran

Koen/Sander

Or maybe Guido and David are brothers. (But definately not blond)

All Arubans are Dutch, but not all Dutch are Arubans!




Link that leads to Gottenbos….a couple of posts on pages 2 and 3

http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=5&y=2006&pagenum=2

And this one takes me back to Sander

January 26, 2008, 09:45:29 PM
Think I found my blue-eyed Dutchboy with the scratches and of course his phone was stolen...now let's see if the sitemeter goes crazy...LOL: Mon May 22, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject:  from hyscience  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You're welcome Harry. It has been interesting to read around and I may have just gotten more confused than clarified. I'm going to bed now. You and me seem to be the only one's up late tonight and commenting. There seem to be enough folks speculating about three people that my guess is there will be if it has not happened already. I think your original assessment that this Wever arrest is more than a suspect, perhaps a real charge, is likely accurate. The only reason I might guess that it may not be is the interview with Joe T >> I just didn't get the impression that he was convinced since he stressed they had known about him since the beginning. One post somewhere said that Weaver worked the casino the night Natalee disappeared, my impression was for a few hours after her disappearance, and that others who worked with him thought he acted nervous (that wasn't their adjective, but it was similar), then he abruptly quit after her disappearance and moved to Holland. It is claimed by some he had scratches and bruises after here disappearance, but some were disputing this. He and Joran also were alleged to have played tennis the afternoon after Natalee disappeared. I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once. There is some speculation that the Columbian that some claim to have been arrested in Aruba may be the famous Jossy witness gardener. I'll just be tyou will have it all sorted out by Friday. Here are the three: 1. Guido Wever who use to work at the Excelcior Casino as "dealer", who use to play tennis at the Aruba Raquet club, and who is the son of a political party's leader, Robert Wever, was detained in the Netherlands. 2. Sander G. is the kid in school in Aruba that left before his finals and flew to Holland last week and now is detained in the Netherlands. (Some speculated that he is Koen's younger brother, but don't know if this is accurate.) Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos is a Colombian man who was detained in Aruba. (Some speculated that he also is Jossy's gardener witness.)

September 1, 2005

Son minister gets fined for threat
 ORANJESTAD - The son of Minister Candelario 'Booshi' Wever (MEP) of Health and Environment, Guido "Inti" yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin vacant.  He was since Saturday, because of the threat Thijzen family.
 There has been a long conflict between supporters of OLA, including the number two on the list Danny van der Linde, and the family Wever.  This was partly with letters sent in the ochtendkranten out.  Van der Linde and others did declaration Friday because of threats against the son of Minister Wever.  The young man was then arrested by the police and interrogated, but could even then.
 When there again Saturday there would be threat Wever junior arrested and detained.  Gisterochtend he was after paying the fine to free feet.  According to his lawyer Anthony Carlo wanted the young man bakkeleien prefer not on the substance of the conflict.  "He should be here on a number of things Aruba regulate shortly before he again goes back to Cuba, where he studied dentistry."

 According to the ministerszoon would not have threat: "I think the public prosecutor wishes to make clear that it will be hard act against threats in political campaigns.  Had the same fact in a different context, it was probably lighter than punished. "Moreover, Minister Wever complaint against Van der Linde, because making a false declaration.  (Amigoe)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 05:12:47 PM
This is from a model's portfolio?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 04, 2008, 05:15:41 PM
TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

Mum, I'm listening. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that the press and everyone jumped on Joran's goofy and lumpy friend Guido Wever as the croupier.  I'm going to call him Guido #1.

IMO the Guido who is the diceman and probably in with Lorenzo and Chemaly is dental student Guido #2.

I just can't see Posner putting a recent underaged high school drop out at his Excelsior tables during the peak of tourist season.  The dealer has to be able to count quickly and he would have to be mentally sharp.  Would our goofy and lumpy Guido #1 fit this picture?

There was also a report that the van der Sloot and Wever families were very close friends for many years.  My gut says that Paulass and the Minister were old friends from somewhere.

When a Guido was arrested, Spong said his job was not to watch the door but to work.  So, whichever one was arrested had been working the casino.

Thanks for the second pic, I have never seen it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 05:27:52 PM
I found lots of reports that Guido Wever was Arlene Ellis-Scheffer's cousin and that they are related through his mother.  I just don't know which Guido is the correct cousin.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 05:35:46 PM
SOUL BEACH FESTIVAL…I had the schedule, but can’t find it…LOL

http://agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=412



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
TWO  GUIDOS…Nobody listens to me I said that yesterday

Mum, I'm listening. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think that the press and everyone jumped on Joran's goofy and lumpy friend Guido Wever as the croupier.  I'm going to call him Guido #1.

IMO the Guido who is the diceman and probably in with Lorenzo and Chemaly is dental student Guido #2.

I just can't see Posner putting a recent underaged high school drop out at his Excelsior tables during the peak of tourist season.  The dealer has to be able to count quickly and he would have to be mentally sharp.  Would our goofy and lumpy Guido #1 fit this picture?

There was also a report that the van der Sloot and Wever families were very close friends for many years.  My gut says that Paulass and the Minister were old friends from somewhere.

When a Guido was arrested, Spong said his job was not to watch the door but to work.  So, whichever one was arrested had been working the casino.

Thanks for the second pic, I have never seen it.

The family issued a letter right? kinda like the one the the van Cromvoirt issued...?? maybe they signed their ctually names???

and another thing -

these families on Aruba think they are soooo freaking important... most of them don't add up to nuttin'! I'm sure there are some families of doctors and other highly respected professions, but for the most part, they ain't impressin' me !!

Aruba is a dot in the sea... big deal for those that think the world revolves around Aruba.... they need to get off that island and see how big the world really is!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 04, 2008, 05:48:05 PM
Spong:

My client GUido is indicted of murder, manslaughter and it is a serious indictment of course This charge has been delivred to him last wednesday.

He is in The Netherlands , he is being questioned every day

He was a witness in June last year after Natalee disappeared and since Feb of this year he is a suspect. The prosecution in Aruba is wanting him very quickly

Tomorrow I will ask the Court in The Hague to give a decision to not allow to take him from The Netherlands to Aruba I think we can prove or make sure that he is not guilty

There are witnesses that are giving statements that he could be seen as a suspect but I think their statements is easily, we can fight it easily


He never met Natalee, he claimed he never seen her, he says he is completely innocent.

He was working in the casino.

We can confirm then that GUido Wever is the 8th suspect in this case?
<snip>
Jossy:

Yes he is

Julie:

We are hearing reports that were printed in the local paper there that this Guido Wever had scratches and bruises to his body that was noticed the day after Natalee disappeared

Jossy

No no, that's not correct, they were referring to another person, not to Guido. I read the article, it doesn't mention any names but from what we know from the beginning, he's not the man that came out of there with scratches

Julie

Suspicon of kidnapping and killing, what does that mean in Aruba?

Jossy

Suspected on basis of some kind of evidence coming forward from witnesses...they did interrogate Guido in June last year and he is known to be a very good friend of Joran, plays tennis with him, gambled with him at Marriott ...

Julie

Guido, compared to GVC the other suspect, do you believe that he is perhapss in bigger trouble than GVC

Jossy

I'm sure he's in bigger trouble, he does know and been very close friend of Joran, GVC always denied he knew Joran.

05/21 TRANSCRIPTS Dutch Att. Gerard Spong & Jossy Mansur


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 05:52:33 PM
I am blown away right now by the Guidos.

- There is a Frohverd (Robert) Wever who married Pauline von Raalte,  Robert    Wever has a brother named Seff who wons a crematorium.  Robert and Pauline have a son named Guido.
-Guido a dental student in the Netherlands who was a croupier at the Excelsior.
-Boshi Wever is the Minister of Health and has a son named Guido Wever.
-Guido Wever is a cousin of Arlene Ellis-Schepper.
-Guido Wever is a gay model.
-Robert F. Weber is head of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement and has a son     
  named Guido Wever.
-Guido is an outstanding tennis player.
-Guido owns a white Nissan.
-Guido was arrested as a suspect in the Netherlands.
-Guido was questioned as a suspect in Aruba.
-Guido was a 17 year old high school drop out.
-Guido was 24 years old.
-Guido hung out with Joran and the pimps.
-Guido has a relationship with J A Chemaly.

Where do we begin to figure out what parts belong to which Guido.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm afraid we'll have to suffer another Boolean headache.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 04, 2008, 06:01:43 PM
I am blown away right now by the Guidos.

- There is a Frohverd (Robert) Wever who married Pauline von Raalte,  Robert    Wever has a brother named Seff who wons a crematorium.  Robert and Pauline have a son named Guido.
-Guido a dental student in the Netherlands who was a croupier at the Excelsior.
-Boshi Wever is the Minister of Health and has a son named Guido Wever.
-Guido Wever is a cousin of Arlene Ellis-Schepper.
-Guido Wever is a gay model.
-Robert F. Weber is head of the Aliansa/Aruban Social Movement and has a son     
  named Guido Wever
.
-Guido is an outstanding tennis player.
-Guido owns a white Nissan.
-Guido was arrested as a suspect in the Netherlands.
-Guido was questioned as a suspect in Aruba.
-Guido was a 17 year old high school drop out
.
-Guido was 24 years old.
-Guido hung out with Joran and the pimps.
-Guido has a relationship with J A Chemaly.

Where do we begin to figure out what parts belong to which Guido.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::
I'm afraid we'll have to suffer another Boolean headache.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Guido Wever that was detained - I've highlighted what I believe is to be true about him in red above.  Not saying that other are not true, only pointing out those I believe we know to be true:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/Guido.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 06:13:11 PM
Didn't we have Guido's parents names when they issued that statement threatening to take legal action on everyone.

I am thinking the Guido that gave the PV is the Guido we have all come to know and love...I thought his dad was named Robert...again...I am confused as to who is the Guido with scratches.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 06:14:51 PM
Guido Wever Fights Extradition

Wever was a tennis partner, and close friend/accomplice to Joran. He was a croupier (dealer) at the Holiday Inn, who scouted girls for Joran. Their routine was for Joran to help girls win, thereby befriending them. Joran and Guido were into ecstasy, and were thought to engage in homosexual activities. The day after the murder, they played tennis, and were together till 2:00 in the morning.  Wever is a low paid hotel worker and an accomplice, who moves to Holland.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm

How could Wever suddenly be in dental school paying Gerold Spong, the best attorney in Holland?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
SOUL BEACH FESTIVAL…I had the schedule, but can’t find it…LOL

http://agents.aruba.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=412


’05 SOUL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL IN ARUBA
SCHEDULE OF EVENTS
May 25-30, 2005
Wednesday, May 25
• Opening Party – Welcoming Celebration 9:00 p.m. – 3:00 a.m.
Euphoria with DJ General Lee
Thursday, May 26
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
MooMba Beach with DJ Fred Loc
• Soul Beach Casino Night & After Party 8:00 p.m. – 3:00 a.m.
Royal Cabana Casino with DJ General Lee
Friday, May 27
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
MooMba Beach with DJ Fred Loc
• Platinum Comedy Night Jam 7:00-11:00 p.m.
Entertainment Center (outdoor event)
• Nightclub Parties 11:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m.
Havana Night Club with DJ Frank Ski
Saturday, May 28
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
MooMba Beach with DJ Fred Loc
• Main Stage Concert 7:00 p.m. – 11:00 p.m.
Havana Beach Club Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach)
• Nightclub Parties 11:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m.
Havana Night Club with DJ Biz Markie
Sunday, May 29
• Soul Beach Daytime Event 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort Aruba with DJ Fred Loc
• Main Stage Concert 7:00 p.m. – 11:00 p.m.
Havana Beach Club Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach)
• Nightclub Parties 11:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m.
Havana Night Club with DJ Biz Markie


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: sirensong on April 04, 2008, 06:25:16 PM
Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 


Didn't the two people who hung themselves work for Media Max? 

Also, was looking for the posts of the people who own the apartments, Moko and I can't remember the other.  The  owners listed are looking familiar to some of the last names  you are coming up with.  I did searches  on them, and one was involved with an investment firm that had offices  in Wash.  DC.   I deleted the info, thinking it wasn't usefull, but now I am wondering about some of the  names you are coming up with.  Like Dijk and I remember there was a Dijkoff (same as the Ruth who worked at the  bank).   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 06:39:28 PM
IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 06:45:47 PM
IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 06:47:08 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Guidosfather.jpg)
VMS posted this on 3/26/08; Can't read it but can tell it refers to Guido Wever as Robert Wever's son.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 07:08:41 PM
IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 


This is really confusing and I'm starting to think that intentional errors were sent out to confuse everyone.  Supposedly both Guidos were in Aruba and supposedly both are now in the Netherlands.  The thing that finally forced me to realize that our Guido might not be the right Guido was when Rob let me know that he had been a 17 year old dropout.  I think you have to be 18 to gamble and 21 to be a croupier in Aruba.  You also have to go to a special school.  I found some stuff which said that Guido who was now a dental student had been the 24 year old croupier.  I am starting to wonder if the press made an error (or intentional) when this guy was initially arrested and the information has just continued to perpetuate itself.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 07:17:27 PM
Well, as far as I can tell, the Guido we all know to be the casino worker is the  Guido with the father named Robert...where did we get this Guido is Booshi's son anyway?  What does the Booshi Guido have to do with all this?  I have missed the point..which in my case is not unusual. LOL     Help!!!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 07:24:53 PM
IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 


This is really confusing and I'm starting to think that intentional errors were sent out to confuse everyone.  Supposedly both Guidos were in Aruba and supposedly both are now in the Netherlands.  The thing that finally forced me to realize that our Guido might not be the right Guido was when Rob let me know that he had been a 17 year old dropout.  I think you have to be 18 to gamble and 21 to be a croupier in Aruba.  You also have to go to a special school.  I found some stuff which said that Guido who was now a dental student had been the 24 year old croupier.  I am starting to wonder if the press made an error (or intentional) when this guy was initially arrested and the information has just continued to perpetuate itself.

SS - just to be clear, Guido Wever allegedly "left" Aruba before graduation and went to Holland. He left a Nissan behind and this seems to be a new or newer car. He may have had enough credits to graduate and I suspect he did, but not wanting to take part in a ceremony to commemorate your accomplishments certainly leads me to believe he was getting the heck outta Dodge as fast as possible.

I *might* not technically classify him as a dropout.

I agree, he's not the person described as the croupier. This is a person obviously older and more refined. And that's another reason to look at all info provided by the Diario. I'm not sure they are doing it on purpose, but there does seem to be a huge dis-information campaign and it's possible that the Diario even fell for some of it.

Jossy said he has / had a huge file on Joran since he was 8 or 10 years old. Now where is it? He said he would expose what the Diario knew. Still waiting!!!

And how could the Diario obtain info on a 10 year old? that seems a bit much and illegal in my opinion. But if he has it  - I'll look at it. LOL... I doubt he has it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 07:25:35 PM
I don't think age is important in  determining who does and does not gamble on Aruba.  Andre Dos Santos was in the casino and saw Joran and Guido together.  He was them leave to go get money at Joran's house...so I am thinking we have the right Guido after all.  Besides if it is not the one in the picture would you have let your son's photo be plastered all over the world knowing your kid was not even there?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 07:33:36 PM
Just remembered something - after Guido was "released" Frankengoon called him and said he was sorry he got dragged into this all. This was the only person Joran apologized to until recently when he called Daury (not sure if it is Fransisco or Rodriguez, I believe it is Rodriguez) and there must be a reason why he would do that.

Now did he call Guido Wever the gay tennis player? I would say YES!!! he did .. he called him just like he called Daury Rodriguez and allows himself a small measure of peace knowing that he "didn't drag someone else in"...I don't believe Joran REALLY cares if he hurts anyone, but he might have a motive for saying he was sorry to a few specific individuals. Possibly they have connection that could make Joran disappear.

Jorsn only calls and apologized to those that he has dragged through the mud whether intentionally or not.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 04, 2008, 07:37:41 PM
IIRC the graves that were disturbed in January of 2006 were Oduber and Weber graves.  I guess the families were intertwined. Could one of our Guido Wevers actually be a Guido Weber, and if so which one is the one that we want?

Would the Guido that ALE arrested not be the one we want?  He is the one the gave the statements and notified ALE of his leaving.  He was the one there the night in question working.  I don't think we are looking for any other Guido besides the 17 year old that we knew about originally.  If we are, then the media made a whopper of a mistake.  Was the other Guido even on Aruba at the time? 


This is really confusing and I'm starting to think that intentional errors were sent out to confuse everyone.  Supposedly both Guidos were in Aruba and supposedly both are now in the Netherlands.  The thing that finally forced me to realize that our Guido might not be the right Guido was when Rob let me know that he had been a 17 year old dropout.  I think you have to be 18 to gamble and 21 to be a croupier in Aruba.  You also have to go to a special school.  I found some stuff which said that Guido who was now a dental student had been the 24 year old croupier.  I am starting to wonder if the press made an error (or intentional) when this guy was initially arrested and the information has just continued to perpetuate itself.

SS - just to be clear, Guido Wever allegedly "left" Aruba before graduation and went to Holland. He left a Nissan behind and this seems to be a new or newer car. He may have had enough credits to graduate and I suspect he did, but not wanting to take part in a ceremony to commemorate your accomplishments certainly leads me to believe he was getting the heck outta Dodge as fast as possible.

I *might* not technically classify him as a dropout.

I agree, he's not the person described as the croupier. This is a person obviously older and more refined. And that's another reason to look at all info provided by the Diario. I'm not sure they are doing it on purpose, but there does seem to be a huge dis-information campaign and it's possible that the Diario even fell for some of it.

Jossy said he has / had a huge file on Joran since he was 8 or 10 years old. Now where is it? He said he would expose what the Diario knew. Still waiting!!!

And how could the Diario obtain info on a 10 year old? that seems a bit much and illegal in my opinion. But if he has it  - I'll look at it. LOL... I doubt he has it.


The age discrepancy is the biggest issue for me with the Guidos.
I have also thought that it could be very possible for 17 year Guido to now be in Holland attending dental school and being represented by Holland's #1 attorney, if he is receiving lots of hush money.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 07:39:23 PM
The Guido Wever that ALE questioned gave notice of his leaving Aruba on June 7, 2005 at 2:15 PM.  The next day he gave some kind of statement and that is the last until his arrest in 2006. The link here says he was 19 so I guess we can figure his age out by that.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/23/holloway/index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 07:49:52 PM
This link from FOX claims that  Guido left on June 1.   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196363,00.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 04, 2008, 07:50:01 PM

Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 


DELTA REAL ESTATE N.V. 
 
Business address WAYACA 352, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  DELTA REAL ESTATE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  24 NOVEMBER 1997 
     

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN; 
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  22 JUNE 1999 
Authority  FULL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 07:52:18 PM
One more link with Sprong speaking on Guido's behalf. 

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/22/ng.01.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 04, 2008, 07:56:39 PM

Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 


DELTA REAL ESTATE N.V. 
 
Business address WAYACA 352, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  DELTA REAL ESTATE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  24 NOVEMBER 1997 
     

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN; 
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  22 JUNE 1999 
Authority  FULL 


Previously posted by Kermit....

Mediamax Aruba N.V. Director Patrick J. Boset Editor Felix J. Schoonbeek Layout & Design Linda van der Windt Sales Marlene Purcell Felix J. Schoonbeek ...
www.leconcierge.mediamaxaruba.com/www/news.htm
(link removed)

MediaMax Aruba inaugurates the first information kiosk!
The very first interactive digital information kiosk is placed at the Marriott
MediaMax Aruba recently inaugurated the first information kiosk in the lobby of the Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino, right next to the front desk, where it can't be missed.
 
Go have a look and try the kiosk to familiarize yourself with Aruba's fastest, easiest and coolest way to acquire information about the hotel, the island of Aruba, and the various companies providing their services such as: car rentals, real estate, recreational activities, restaurants & bars, nightlife and much more.
Using high quality pictures and streaming video, the system will provide you with valuable information about the listed companies.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2083.640


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 04, 2008, 07:56:49 PM
SS, Guido could be semi mentally impaired like Satish and a 24 year old 12th grader. LMAO!!!

Solved!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 07:57:33 PM

From a website called Judicial.ink:

Wever was a tennis partner, and close friend/accomplice to Joran.  He was a croupier (dealer) at the Holiday Inn, who scouted girls for Joran. Their routine was for Joran to help girls win, thereby befriending them. Joran and Guido were into ecstasy, and were thought to engage in homosexual activities. The day after the murder, they played tennis, and were together till 2:00 in the morning.  Wever is a low paid hotel worker and an accomplice, who moves to Holland.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 08:05:51 PM
So why does Julia seem to be so friendly with this guy Boset?  Is she married to him...really?  Some connections...I don't think it is all about photos from her pretty little camera.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 08:10:43 PM
The article about "Booshi Wever" and his son "Guido" is almost at the bottom of the page:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/archief%2520nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/2005/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522rick%2Bsmid%2522%2Bamsterdam%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ie%3DUTF-8      (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/archief%2520nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/2005/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522rick%2Bsmid%2522%2Bamsterdam%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ie%3DUTF-8)

Translated version:

Zoon minister gets fine for threat ORANJESTAD - the zoon of minister Candelario ` Booshi ' weaver (MEP) of public health and environment, Guido ` Inti ', has been released yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin. He zat since Saturday permanently because of threat of the family Thijzen. There for a long time a conflict between partisans of OLA, among which the number two on the list Danny of of the lime, and the family weaver, plays. This was partly sent in with letters in the morning newspapers battled out. Of of the lime and others Friday did declaration because of threat against the zoon of minister Wever. The young person was apprehended then by the police force and was interrogated, but could even afterwards go. When Saturday talk be of threat weaver junior have been taken up and held. Gisterochtend he was put after paying the fine on free feet. According to its lawyer Anthony Carlo do not want squabble the young person rather concerning the contents of the conflict. "he must here on Aruba a number of things regulate before he returns soon to cuba where he studies dentistry." According to the ministerszoon really talk would not be of threat: I think that the Public Prosecution Service wants make clear that it will act rapidly against threat in political campaign. The same fact in another context had taken place, then the probable barge had been punished. Moreover minister Wever has done declaration of of the lime, because of doing false declaration. (Amigoe)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 04, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
LALA - HERE IS SOME INFOR FOR YOU IN YOUR QUEST TO UNRAVEL THE CODE. Hope it helps, kermit

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3339/stevecroesfamilyjz6.jpg)
STEVE CROES FAMILY


(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1001/lorenzovriw2.jpg)
Looks like Paulus from the back in the blue shirt and dark grey pants

THERE IS A MAX ARRENDS AND MAXITO ARRENDZ. MAXITO IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONE WHO GAVE THE ALIBI FOR LORENZO AND WAS QUESTIONED.
MAXITO ARRENZS RACES CARS



(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/110/maxarrendsfamilyan9.jpg)
MAX ARRENDS AND HIS FAMILY. MAX GOES TO SCHOOL IN FLORIDA


(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8639/maxarrendskoenev2.jpg)
KOEN, GIRL, MAX ARRENDS


(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4205/maxitoarendszredmustangyz7.jpg)
MAXITO ARRENDZ RUNS A RED MUSTANG



Arelen Ellis-Schipper is on the board of the CMB bank.
Same bank Paulus went to the day after his son kidnapped Natalee he said to make a depoist.

The CMB bank is next door to Digicel.

I posted a pic of it on the forums a while back.



Ernesto (Freddy's brother)
Halley (the crooked cops son)
Guido Wever
Michael Dompig
are all models for the same agency.
I think that agency is a front for something illegal. I could only follow it so far and nothing seemed credible about it.


JULIA RENFRO'S HOME
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5913/renfromapkz2.jpg)


(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/900/valandmikerg8.jpg)
VALENTIJIN'S FRIEND IS RIKKA WHO IS JORAN'S GIRL FRIEND THAT WAS 13/14 YRS OLD.
I have Joran and Rikka's pictures too.

AND
VAL IS FRIENDS WITH  SANDER


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/900/valandmikerg8.jpg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 08:19:21 PM
SS, Guido could be semi mentally impaired like Satish and a 24 year old 12th grader. LMAO!!!

Solved!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Would they have an equivalent of the GED in Holland that allows juvenile drop outs to become brain surgeons...er...I mean dentists?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 08:21:59 PM
Kermit!!!! Thanks you sweet little green foggy...I have missed you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 08:24:51 PM

From a website called Judicial.ink:

Wever was a tennis partner, and close friend/accomplice to Joran.  He was a croupier (dealer) at the Holiday Inn, who scouted girls for Joran. Their routine was for Joran to help girls win, thereby befriending them. Joran and Guido were into ecstasy, and were thought to engage in homosexual activities. The day after the murder, they played tennis, and were together till 2:00 in the morning.  Wever is a low paid hotel worker and an accomplice, who moves to Holland.

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 08:26:32 PM
The article about "Booshi Wever" and his son "Guido" is almost at the bottom of the page:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/archief%2520nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/2005/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522rick%2Bsmid%2522%2Bamsterdam%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ie%3DUTF-8      (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/archief%2520nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal/2005/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-09-nieuwsbronnen%2520internationaal.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522rick%2Bsmid%2522%2Bamsterdam%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26ie%3DUTF-8)

Translated version:

Zoon minister gets fine for threat ORANJESTAD - the zoon of minister Candelario ` Booshi ' weaver (MEP) of public health and environment, Guido ` Inti ', has been released yesterday after a payment of a fine of 1750 florin. He zat since Saturday permanently because of threat of the family Thijzen. There for a long time a conflict between partisans of OLA, among which the number two on the list Danny of of the lime, and the family weaver, plays. This was partly sent in with letters in the morning newspapers battled out. Of of the lime and others Friday did declaration because of threat against the zoon of minister Wever. The young person was apprehended then by the police force and was interrogated, but could even afterwards go. When Saturday talk be of threat weaver junior have been taken up and held. Gisterochtend he was put after paying the fine on free feet. According to its lawyer Anthony Carlo do not want squabble the young person rather concerning the contents of the conflict. "he must here on Aruba a number of things regulate before he returns soon to cuba where he studies dentistry." According to the ministerszoon really talk would not be of threat: I think that the Public Prosecution Service wants make clear that it will act rapidly against threat in political campaign. The same fact in another context had taken place, then the probable barge had been punished. Moreover minister Wever has done declaration of of the lime, because of doing false declaration. (Amigoe)




As I understand this...his son is in Cuba studying dentistry...is that right?  LOL  More confusion.  No wonder we are all so tired in here...too much thinking going on!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 08:29:43 PM
Kermit
If you see this I have a question for you.  Do you remember where the Catiri 7-A address for Freddy came from? I think you said it was an apartment.  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on April 04, 2008, 09:01:31 PM
CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.

[/quote]

CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 09:45:20 PM
CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.


CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA
[/quote]

When the deed was done, the 2 shivas got a lift to the airport from and ALE, now at the airport, they took a private aybe a learjet, to go back to where they come from.

What I am saying is it is apaid contract that could not be broken. but the incocent look akike walked in and so she was descovert.

The young sloot and the 2 hindus took the wrong girl to the Shivas. The shivas was with the other brother of Joran.

Now when the deed was done 2 two was drive to the airport to fly away from where they came.

Now let look it now form the otherside of the pond.

I am SHIVE X and Want to have bird form some reason that we do not know.

Now SHIVA X came to Aruba and contracted Sloots to help keeping on eye on the bird. but bird flow away,

Now SHIVA X did not know that Bird flow away.

Now either sloot was looking at the wrong bird from the getgo but it does not look like that,

so it must be the oter way around. They know the bird and when they saw that the girl was gone, they took it out on the girl that look like the bird.

Now all sing, but all finger are pointing to each other and it goes all the way into the procesucter office. to the Ministers. all are linked to this MP-CASINO. Favors for the Ritz, R. Croes for the Drugs. etc.

To protect them all, they have their own News media to make the readers dance.

to find the truth, we have to look at the weekest link and that is the prosecuter DH self.

all has been written down that mean the Police has done their work but DH controls them and RC.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 09:50:40 PM
CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.


CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA
[/quote]

It was jet furnished by the McWanes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 04, 2008, 09:59:28 PM
CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.


CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA

It was jet furnished by the McWanes.
[/quote]
According to Beth's book Mat, Ruffner, and Jodi left on Wednesday evening, June 1st.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 04, 2008, 10:01:10 PM
Caps…

V P: I remember dancing with her for most of the time, and then an hour before (Carlos ‘N’ Charlies) closed, I didn’t see her again. She hadn’t planned on meeting (Van der Sloot), he just happened to be there.

V P: That night was more hectic than others was because it closed at 1 a.m. There was sort of a mass exodus out of the place. Everyone left all at once




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 04, 2008, 10:35:30 PM
Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 11:19:15 PM
Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?


Now it was not van eem that brought this up Phoneticaly


WE need a SACRIFICE if I change two letter what do we got.

I am not sure but remembering Poentje.

We need to find the link on this long friend of Joran. Where was he when natalee disapear.? Now when the heat is gone and all smoke has clear, one will dare to come and smoke dope and make fun, just to confuse the American more by openly taking bad talking Natalee.

Now No more smoke we can try to create another smoke screen to get some money.


this is just a tought... not that it is possible. but Joran talk to him still.

Now the other side of the pond can be two places. USA and Holland


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 05, 2008, 12:28:19 AM
Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?


Now it was not van eem that brought this up Phoneticaly


WE need a SACRIFICE if I change two letter what do we got.

I am not sure but remembering Poentje.

We need to find the link on this long friend of Joran. Where was he when natalee disapear.? Now when the heat is gone and all smoke has clear, one will dare to come and smoke dope and make fun, just to confuse the American more by openly taking bad talking Natalee.

Now No more smoke we can try to create another smoke screen to get some money.


this is just a tought... not that it is possible. but Joran talk to him still.

Now the other side of the pond can be two places. USA and Holland
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 02:31:31 AM
It was actually making sense until the Lear Jet landed.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: sirensong on April 05, 2008, 03:19:45 AM
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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 -
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I have been meaning to address this rumor for 6 months now at SM. It is strictly a rumor that started at RWV(Erased) back in 2005. The story was that Natalee was kidnapped by mistake thinking it was Virgina Page who left a day before the MB group left. I am posting this because I kept a close eye on this thread and it drew my interest for reasons I cant get into right now. Either the interested people were watching this thread for total dis-information or there was some truth to it.
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Posted by Kermit

left to right front row:
Katherine Weatherly (the girl that Joran said he won her money back)
Virginia O'Neal Page
Ruth McVey
Back row left to right
Francis Ellen Byrd
Liz Cain
Madison Whatley
Holly Brown
Lee Broughton

List of corporations with a major presence in Birmingham, Alabama
McWayne Corporation
O'Neal Steel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Corporations_Based_or_Major_Presence_in_Birmingham


Let me see if I can remember this right to explain it:

McWayne has private plane and was going down to Aruba and that is the plane that Beth, Jug and some friends first flew to Aruba on.
Virginia O' Neal Page is one of the graduates of MB and you can see her in the picture I posted above.
Frances Ellen Byrd's father is in construction and one of the projects he constructed was the McWayne Science Bldg. Between FEB's mother and father, they have millions of dollars in this family and a heritage that goes way back. O' Neal has millions as well.
Natalee worked at Harvest Glen Market and that market gets produce from Frances Ellen Byrd's mothers farm - and also the farm has an equestrian center where FEB rides etc etc.

Here is a post that backs up what I was saying:
"It was McWane's president, G. Ruffner Page's daughter, Virginia, that partied at C&C that last night in Aruba with Natalee Holloway. The McWane jet was sent to Aruba to retrieve Virginia. Beth took a lift on that jet.}

http://www.mcwane.com/index.php?page=profile/team
--------------------------
Posted by AKband27
I was doing some searching and ran across a posting at RWV...it was about the day Natalee went missing and Beth and her group went to Aruba on the McWane plane with McWane President G. Ruffner Page, Jr on board...the article also said maybe they were suppose to nab Virginia O'Neal Page and got Natalee by mistake...has anyone else heard this? who is Virginia Oneal Page?
Also, way back...there was talk of the McWane plane being on the island the day before Natalee disappeared...does anybody remember this? I have been talking about this with another poster and they also remembered something about this...
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/natalee_hollowa_63.html
 
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 07:26:29 AM
Picture #1 is Guido #1.  This is the Guido we have all followed.  This was taken from the Aruban Modeling shots.  I can't imagine what he's modeling.  He's hobvioulsy had no training - look at the posture and the way he holds his hands. 

Guido #2.  This is a photograph that I borrowed from another blog.  Someone over there claims that this is Guido Wever.  I can't verify anything.

Will the real Guido Wever please stand up?


SS....I just saw this pic...as I wasn't logged in most of last night...

This is snipped from your post above...

However, another Guido Wever has surfaced.  This guy is older, smarter, and the son of the Minister of Health.  There are reports that he is a model and that he is gay. (Our dumpy Guido looks goofy, not like a model).  There are reports that one of the Guido's is tied to a relationship with John Chemaly who is at least 35.  Guido #2 is a dental student in the Netherlands.  Is it possible that his summer job (arranged by his father) is croupier at a big casino on his home island?   When he's in Aruba. he runs with Lorenzo who is about the same age and probably someone he has known since school.  Steve Croes is also someone he probably would have known since school.

Are we chasing the correct Guido?  Have we assumed that there was only one Guido and possibly put all Guido information into one person?  I'm sure that Renfro and the rest of them weren't going to correst us.

SS...please don't drop this thought...I have to find it, but there is a blue eyed Dutch guy in Aruba for the summer, has his own apartment. I believe this is who Joran called "G".

I am still thinking about the young Guido working in the casino. The only thing I am wondering is this another reason that Posner was so upset about the video getting out, that it showed underage peeps in his casino.

I won't have much time to look at it today, but will get to it next week.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 07:37:42 AM
Spong:

My client GUido is indicted of murder, manslaughter and it is a serious indictment of course This charge has been delivred to him last wednesday.

He is in The Netherlands , he is being questioned every day

He was a witness in June last year after Natalee disappeared and since Feb of this year he is a suspect. The prosecution in Aruba is wanting him very quickly

Tomorrow I will ask the Court in The Hague to give a decision to not allow to take him from The Netherlands to Aruba I think we can prove or make sure that he is not guilty

There are witnesses that are giving statements that he could be seen as a suspect but I think their statements is easily, we can fight it easily


He never met Natalee, he claimed he never seen her, he says he is completely innocent.

He was working in the casino.

We can confirm then that GUido Wever is the 8th suspect in this case?
<snip>
Jossy:

Yes he is

Julie:

We are hearing reports that were printed in the local paper there that this Guido Wever had scratches and bruises to his body that was noticed the day after Natalee disappeared

Jossy

No no, that's not correct, they were referring to another person, not to Guido. I read the article, it doesn't mention any names but from what we know from the beginning, he's not the man that came out of there with scratches  

Julie

Suspicon of kidnapping and killing, what does that mean in Aruba?

Jossy

Suspected on basis of some kind of evidence coming forward from witnesses...they did interrogate Guido in June last year and he is known to be a very good friend of Joran, plays tennis with him, gambled with him at Marriott ...

Julie

Guido, compared to GVC the other suspect, do you believe that he is perhapss in bigger trouble than GVC

Jossy

I'm sure he's in bigger trouble, he does know and been very close friend of Joran, GVC always denied he knew Joran.

05/21 TRANSCRIPTS Dutch Att. Gerard Spong & Jossy Mansur

Blonde...Thanks...There is also the interview with the very anti-American overtures. One time I went back and kept looking fror Guido's parents names and all I found were "the parents" quoted. I do recall they were divorced


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 07:49:40 AM
Posted by Pita at same link but scroll to almost bottom:

ABC TODAY
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  14 MAY 2002
     
Main branch: MEDIAMAX ARUBA N.V. registered under number 28973
located at CAYA G.F. (BETICO) CROES 9, ORANJESTAD OOST
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
BOSET, PATRICK JOHN;
Residing in  PARADERA 35, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, GOIRLE on 28 DECEMBER 1967
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  14 MAY 2002
Authority  FULL
   
RENFRO, JULIA CHRISTINE;
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-H, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  U.S.A., CALIFORNIE on 30 AUGUST 1966
Nationality  AMERICAN
Position  PROXY A W/T "ASST. MANAGER"
Effective  27 JUNE 2007
Authority  FULL 


Didn't the two people who hung themselves work for Media Max? 

Also, was looking for the posts of the people who own the apartments, Moko and I can't remember the other.  The  owners listed are looking familiar to some of the last names  you are coming up with.  I did searches  on them, and one was involved with an investment firm that had offices  in Wash.  DC.   I deleted the info, thinking it wasn't usefull, but now I am wondering about some of the  names you are coming up with.  Like Dijk and I remember there was a Dijkoff (same as the Ruth who worked at the  bank).   


Sirensong
…Here is the info on the suicides. It is posted in the Lorenzo/Race junkies thread and there are links there to the old LCD threads were both suicides were discussed.

I think I can find that on the apartments…it caught my attention since SS posted it, yesterday.

Got to make a list…LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.80


Brigitte Katelaan worked for ATV and TeleAruba as a producer.
Camilo Romero worked for ATV as a cameraman and ?

Both found dead by hanging within weeks of each other.
(Brigitte's latest doumentaries: The International Racetrack
& legal/illegal prostitution in certain towns in Aruba.)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 08:10:46 AM
This link from FOX claims that  Guido left on June 1.   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196363,00.html


Lala's everything in that story fits our Guido, except leaving June 1st.

We know from the Dr Phil documents that our Guido left later.

JMO, but some-one with scratches went 'across the pond' June 1st and I think he is the one that was rumored to be arrested when Guido was. Another that didn't happen.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 08:15:57 AM
Good Morning,

According to 24 ORA, three people were killed last night. These people seem to be family members. I note one person is named *Edvard* no last name listed yet.  Diario is asleep at the switch and has not covered this tragic event.

http://www.24ora.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

I'm not totally sure how this happened, but I do see the word *kerosene* listed. Maybe it is an accident.

It must be pretty serious as Rudy Croes was on the scene.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/RudyCroes4-4-20081.jpg)

I also note that Edwin "Papito" Comenencia made the official polis statement. No sign of the small white van, but there were multiple hearses at the scene.

One comment (52 total currently) in English -
 P.K  said: _
     What the hell is happening to Aruba ....Jesus Christ...the next thing u know the island is becoming slowly but surely a hell. Its time they start putting these son of a * to life in prison and have a more strict approach to all that has been happening.
I mean let me guess the person who did this must be a freaking Colombian....only them people come up with such feracious ideas.
My sincere condolences goes out to the families of these poor victims.

++++++

*hard to imagine this is an accident with a comment like the one above* and I do not see a suspect named as of yet.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 08:25:51 AM
the above post - posted in wrong thread, I apologize.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 08:33:13 AM
CAPS said:

The reason he can not sing is that he has a string attached to Him via his father.

All have secrets about the each other and so if he sings on one, the one will sing one something else about him, and they are look in this game.

Let me give a summary, Sloot with a job to do, Sloot (joran) had 2 Hindus, Sloot (other son) had 2 Shivas(killers) but the bird flow  away and this left them the lets call it the (MIU) hanging. but with an open on going contract.

Now I Just which one is he most likely that was sloot that she met, ether Val. or the Larenzo

there where two swith one for the girls and one for the killer. 2 shivan was transported to to airport by a ALE

What time did the airplane that  beth came down with left. Who was return back to the states.


CAPS,
It was a private plane.  Maybe someone remembers when it left and who returned.
I don't follow your logic here, though.  Are you leading us back to the MB folks???

CHATA

When the deed was done, the 2 shivas got a lift to the airport from and ALE, now at the airport, they took a private aybe a learjet, to go back to where they come from.

What I am saying is it is apaid contract that could not be broken. but the incocent look akike walked in and so she was descovert.

The young sloot and the 2 hindus took the wrong girl to the Shivas. The shivas was with the other brother of Joran.

Now when the deed was done 2 two was drive to the airport to fly away from where they came.

Now let look it now form the otherside of the pond.

I am SHIVE X and Want to have bird form some reason that we do not know.

Now SHIVA X came to Aruba and contracted Sloots to help keeping on eye on the bird. but bird flow away,

Now SHIVA X did not know that Bird flow away.

Now either sloot was looking at the wrong bird from the getgo but it does not look like that,

so it must be the oter way around. They know the bird and when they saw that the girl was gone, they took it out on the girl that look like the bird.

Now all sing, but all finger are pointing to each other and it goes all the way into the procesucter office. to the Ministers. all are linked to this MP-CASINO. Favors for the Ritz, R. Croes for the Drugs. etc.

To protect them all, they have their own News media to make the readers dance.

to find the truth, we have to look at the weekest link and that is the prosecuter DH self.

all has been written down that mean the Police has done their work but DH controls them and RC.


[/quote]


Caps…We have to prove the bird has flown, gone. And from her quotes, she was at C&Cs that night.

JMO…the bird on the wire…US intelligence….anti drug surveillance…would not matter if they ‘saw or heard” Natalee being kidnapped there is an agreement between Aruba and the US that surveillance can only be used in drug cases.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 08:37:20 AM
the above post - posted in wrong thread, I apologize.

No problem with me...I haven't made it over there yet.

Rob…for your records the picture that you posted of Condy Rice and Oduber was from the Organization of American States summit held in Ft. Lauderdale June 5 through 7th. 2005. That picture was taken on June 6th....thought you might want to know...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 08:45:32 AM
the above post - posted in wrong thread, I apologize.

No problem with me...I haven't made it over there yet.

Rob…for your records the picture that you posted of Condy Rice and Oduber was from the Organization of American States summit held in Ft. Lauderdale June 5 through 7th. 2005. That picture was taken on June 6th....thought you might want to know...

Thanks Mum, I kind of suspected. I have so many photos, and I don't take the time to properly tag them. Photobucket has a tag option to make it easier now, and I still don't do it. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 08:49:16 AM
Does this take us back to "the answers lie in MB scenario"?

Are you saying the Shivas are NOT the Kalpoes but some hired guns or something like that?


Now it was not van eem that brought this up Phoneticaly


WE need a SACRIFICE if I change two letter what do we got.

I am not sure but remembering Poentje.

We need to find the link on this long friend of Joran. Where was he when natalee disapear.? Now when the heat is gone and all smoke has clear, one will dare to come and smoke dope and make fun, just to confuse the American more by openly taking bad talking Natalee.

Now No more smoke we can try to create another smoke screen to get some money.


this is just a tought... not that it is possible. but Joran talk to him still.

Now the other side of the pond can be two places. USA and Holland

Shango said ‘across the pond’ and he was in Florida. I would say it is the Netherlands.

You are welcome Rob...I ran across it when I was tracking Oduber's movements.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 08:54:29 AM
Thanks Kermit for the pics (love that circle around the Racquet Club) and Pita for the info on Marlene and the reminder of all the IFA connections.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 09:08:32 AM
Just a couple from the link below. Reply 7…Thanks Finngirl

Freddy’s car and Freddy helping to dispose of the body and of course Freddy’s ‘real’ name…Interesting reading if anyone is interested.

6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, so we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.

ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.

++++++

7:39 pm
Shell: Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.

.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0

++++

Interesting….Tito…the one that gave out all the confusing info and Rueben, an official spokesman!

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 05, 2008, 09:35:00 AM
Don't know if I buy into the whole Shiva and jet thing.......but I think there was more than one private plane, on the island.  I think we had photos of a ?Saudi prince's plane and some black helicopter. Maybe that is why there are so many statements from the Menses? guy (didn't we find out that he photoed planes?). 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 05, 2008, 09:44:50 AM
I think all the "other girl" postings were disinformation, to make a case for Joran not being responsible for Natalee.  Early on, it might have worked.  FBI would have been all over a kidnapping.  I just think it was convenient for the disinformers that when Natalee's family didn't have the moneyed background, an associate did. They used there usual "get out of trouble" card (insurance fraud, family background) but when Jug ended up not being the secret arms dealer they went with Virginia Page and a big mistake. IMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 05, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Mum

I haven't searched, but I do remember Gabe Leo, posting on the FP, that Rudy Croes was in a wedding in Colombia during Natalee's disappearance.  Don't know how accurate/true that is.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 05, 2008, 09:51:18 AM
Just to let you all know their are many error's at this Judicial site
"From a website called Judicial.ink:"
This is much better  http://www.hollowaycase.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 10:08:16 AM
Mum

I haven't searched, but I do remember Gabe Leo, posting on the FP, that Rudy Croes was in a wedding in Colombia during Natalee's disappearance.  Don't know how accurate/true that is.


Thanks Buckeye...I will look. I found a post that said he arrived back from the Netherlands on June 3rd and haven't looked for it again. Caesu can't find anything putting him in the Netherlands.

He wouldn't have to be on Aruba that night to be Dirty Hand or His Lordship???

Blonde...I agree about that site...both actually..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 10:13:11 AM
Don't know if I buy into the whole Shiva and jet thing.......but I think there was more than one private plane, on the island.  I think we had photos of a ?Saudi prince's plane and some black helicopter. Maybe that is why there are so many statements from the Menses? guy (didn't we find out that he photoed planes?). 

Remember the saudi prince thing and was there a huge yacht...Arawak King...no I must have that one wrong. I thought that had a helicopter as well.

Lots of 'high rollers'!

Meneses did take the pics of planes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 10:17:07 AM


SS…here are three links that you might like to read and see if anything jumps out at you about the ‘other’ G!  Please keep in mind that the book is classified as fiction…LOL…and he could be muddying the waters more.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1008.0


SS – In response to your post yesterday on Lorenzo van Rijn/Gijn/Geijn…see post 1610 on the first link…americaninaruba called him Geijn, Jossy called him Gijn all the others papers called him Rijn and we have Dutch owned apartments by van Dijk who Caps think is related to Paulus or Anita. Then we have a judge in Curacao called mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000, page 8 of this thread. Confused…I am  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1600


Sirensong and SS
Here for the Apartments and names…Interesting...I think three are posted about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1620







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 10:50:06 AM
Thanks Sirensong for your post about VP. I knew there was a Kermit story in there somewhere.  I just can't keep him here long enough to ask him.  He's such a busy frog these days. VP was still there on the night in question. That is how I understood it to be.


Yes, Judicial Ink has errors.  Posted that just because I found it to show there is little way for us to ever know what is actual fact and what isn't...even FOX had the story wrong.  Guido...the 18 year old that's face was plastered all over the world is the person ALE questioned and did not leave the island until a week later.  If you are not the person that is the croupier at the Excelsior and you are not the person that plays tennis with Joran or hauls him around to get money from place to place...you do not allow the information to stand as is and be talked about for days on end.  You do not hire an attorney that comes out and says only that you are gay and had nothing to do with it...not " that is not me, it  is another pseron"...but you are not gay and don't know Joran and then allow Taco to make you out a liar without speaking up. The Guido we have suspected and the one that was shown in photos by all the media is the right one...otherwise Guido's family would be very, very wealthy from the lawsuits against just FOX news alone because as far as I can determine FOX has never retracted those stories and neither did anyone else.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 10:55:44 AM
SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 11:21:14 AM
Mum and any other monkeys interested...let me pose a what if scenario....

Let's assume that the 5th suspect and Dirty Hand are one and the same...who would it be?  Which person fits all th criteria for both?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 11:25:08 AM
Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 11:29:08 AM
Thanks everyone for all of the links.  I am still not sure which Guido we're chasing and I know that we have probably been misinformed at every turn by the idiots in Aruba.  The real Guido could be walking around right in front of us and we wouldn't know because of all of the misinformation.  Fear not though, we will eventually figure it out. My gut says we were right with Guido #1, son of Robert, goofy and lumpy. I just don't know how he got to be a croupier.

The van Rijn and van Gijn names are interesting.  I wasn't able to find much background on the van Rijn name.  I'll try van Gijn.  I do think that Lorenzo is up to his eyeballs in all of this.  I haven't figured out how Schipper is related to Guido's mother.

I don't know what to think about the Lear Jet and the wrong girl.  I was upset last night when I read that.  It makes for a great James Bond novel, but I really doubt that it's part of this situation.  I have also read that kidnappers were after Natalee because her uncle works for AmSouth and the banks were having trouble with another bank in Columbia or Venezuela.  I just keep asking myself why any organized crime group would put a clandestine operation in the hands of a few stoned high school kids. They have their own "specialists" within their organizations to take care of problems. These stories have got to be part of the diversion game and unfortunately, this is probably what many people in Aruba have been told - feed the messengers.

I don't believe that we have the full story but I do think that it is self-contained on the island of Aruba.  A group of narcisisstic, drug addicted jerks made a game of assaulting and probably filming unsuspecting American tourists.  Something bad happened and I don't believe for a minute that it was just Joran. The coverup was setup by the arrogant elite parents on the island to protect their offspring and probably their own illegal drug, gambling, and porn businesses.  These boys are connected to the very heads of the island, with the exception of the Kalpoes.  These arrogant Dutch leaders of Aruba were probably so accustomed to their own unquestioned self-importance that they didn't realize what they would encounter when Beth arrived.  Once the lie was set in motion, they had to stick to it to avoid exposure.  The lie has grown and grown and grown.
 
I have also found errors on Judicial Ink.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


No idea Lala's...I am full speed ahead this morning...can't you tell?  LOL...I will send one to myself and see what happens, it may be the server!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 11:34:50 AM
Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


No idea Lala's...I am full speed ahead this morning...can't you tell?  LOL...I will send one to myself and see what happens, it may be the server!


Lala's...I got my own email... ::MonkeyConfused::

Dirty Hand and the 5th....Hard for me to fit them both together, but I guess Lorenzo. If I knew more about Freddy....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 11:46:20 AM
SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



Good morning SS and Caps...just bumping this to see what you think SS. We would have everything together as the thread doesn't get much use and wouldn't have other discussions going on at the same time and other posts in between.

I was interested in the Judge van Gijn, because of Lorenzo walking on the drug and supposed weapons thing last year. Apparently he talked to a Judge?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 11:52:12 AM
Mum
If you are still here...your email is bouncing back to me this morning.  I sent two and they both came back...are you on timeout again?  Have you been a mean little girl this morning?


No idea Lala's...I am full speed ahead this morning...can't you tell?  LOL...I will send one to myself and see what happens, it may be the server!


Lala's...I got my own email... ::MonkeyConfused::

Dirty Hand and the 5th....Hard for me to fit them both together, but I guess Lorenzo. If I knew more about Freddy....


Mum, I also think that DH is Lorenzo.  He's the drug king living in the fotress, and he has the dirt on everybody on that island because of the drugs.  I also think that this is who Joran, Paulass, and the rest of the little murderers called when something bad happened.  Lorenzo would know what to do and no doubt he called in lots of favors.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



Good morning SS and Caps...just bumping this to see what you think SS. We would have everything together as the thread doesn't get much use and wouldn't have other discussions going on at the same time and other posts in between.

I was interested in the Judge van Gijn, because of Lorenzo walking on the drug and supposed weapons thing last year. Apparently he talked to a Judge?


Count me in and let me know where to go.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I will be slow for a few days because this guy named Uncle Sam says that I have to finish some papers.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:08:27 PM
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 12:13:46 PM
SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



Good morning SS and Caps...just bumping this to see what you think SS. We would have everything together as the thread doesn't get much use and wouldn't have other discussions going on at the same time and other posts in between.

I was interested in the Judge van Gijn, because of Lorenzo walking on the drug and supposed weapons thing last year. Apparently he talked to a Judge?


Count me in and let me know where to go.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I will be slow for a few days because this guy named Uncle Sam says that I have to finish some papers.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


LOL...on that...Thank goodness I don't plan on selling a house again and from now on my kid's college deducts should be a piece of cake...What a pain...thought they were done and would wake up the next day and realised I'd done something wrong...again!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:13:56 PM
Check what Patrick van eem said.. and compre it with the post

Monkeys research it..its all there.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:20:17 PM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 12:21:38 PM
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c eS a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD






Scarface was following beth around Aruba in september...page 185 "Loving Natalee". ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 12:25:06 PM
OMG!  ::MonkeyConfused::

I do agree that Steve Croes is probably the 5th, especially knowing now who is daddy and uncle are.  Hey, I wonder if Theresa Croes - Fernandez-Pedras is a sister to Rudy and Hendrick.  ::MonkeyConfused::

How could Shango know so far in advance that Patrick would expose Joran on the video?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2008, 12:33:52 PM
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





Caps,
In order for this to be correct, Shango would be foreseeing the future.  I don't believe that's what Shango's intent was to do.  In my opinion he/she/it was communicating things that were going on at that time and that time only.

There may very well have been a "Scarface" involved, but I don't believe it was Patrick.  And I believe that Peter DeVries is far too intelligent to have been used in such a way that would be required for the above to be correct.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





Caps,
In order for this to be correct, Shango would be foreseeing the future.  I don't believe that's what Shango's intent was to do.  In my opinion he/she/it was communicating things that were going on at that time and that time only.

There may very well have been a "Scarface" involved, but I don't believe it was Patrick.  And I believe that Peter DeVries is far too intelligent to have been used in such a way that would be required for the above to be correct.



Well when you read the rest, you might think diffrent.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 12:40:26 PM
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM? ::MonkeyConfused::

He is the public prosecuter that was not on the list that steve croes was pointed to.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 12:45:03 PM
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM? ::MonkeyConfused::


Caps' Dirty hand...OM ...Frans Deutekom

I have never believed the Patrick deal..it was a way to only implicate Joran and one other...JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Patrick, Lorenzo, and Steve were involved in the drug business on Aruba, years before.  I wouldn't even be surprised to learn that Patrick had been commissioned to go after Joran at this point to seal his reputation as the murderer for world opinion.  It does seems strange to me that Patrick would have had underground connections to Aruba from way back and he probably should have known that Joran wasn't giving an accurate story on the videos.

Who is DTKM? ::MonkeyConfused::

He is the public prosecuter that was not on the list that steve croes was pointed to.

Caps...if you are referring to the list of Kermit's that I posted on page 8, which I think you are, then that was a list of Judges. Is Deutekom a Judge?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2008, 12:53:11 PM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:55:55 PM
This because he did not got paid. He is in need of Money. Bet you that the Vries also can talk anymore becasue now  DH has secure his silence. He also must have some dirt that he can not talk anymore and that goes for Poentje Castro.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 01:07:56 PM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 01:15:46 PM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.  

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Now #3...I can agree with.

But...you knew that was coming....I do not think Michael Posner is an Arawak!

Bigwig from the Marriott...Zeolla?  Who was in his company? Joran?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 01:19:19 PM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.

That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 01:23:59 PM
Caps….Is 7A Catiri near the Racquet Club?

What do you know of the villas and houses there, by the Racquet Club, before November 2005?

Once again…Thanks in Advance!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 01:28:41 PM
Caps….Is 7A Catiri near the Racquet Club?

What do you know of the villas and houses there, by the Racquet Club, before November 2005?

Once again…Thanks in Advance!


In 2005 I was not on Aruba. I do not know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 01:33:05 PM
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





I need clarification, please.  Tell me if anything I am about to post is incorrect...it helps me to know where to look for info.

1. Patrick was a player from the beginning?
2. The gods definition has changed from news to Croes? Needs to be studied.
3. The cowboys are the FBI that are crooked?
4. The Dirty Hand is that guy I can't spell his name right?

Please tell me what I have wrong so I can organize my thinking in order to search more efficiently. Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 01:36:09 PM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Okay!!  Now this I understand! 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 01:38:51 PM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.

That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.


A moment of lucidity and now more fog....I think I need to go back to that pesky 5th suspect.  Are they one and the same?  5th and dirtyhand?  Anyone? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 01:44:10 PM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX

Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.  When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.

That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.


A moment of lucidity and now more fog....I think I need to go back to that pesky 5th suspect.  Are they one and the same?  5th and dirtyhand?  Anyone? 


My logic again...two stories...the crime and the cover-up
Simian=5th...and Shango=Dirty hand
Two Peeps...JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 05, 2008, 01:47:11 PM

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arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 12:04 pm
I do want to say something about the spokesperson, this lady v/d Biezen is not the usual spkesperson for the prosecutions’s office. It’s usually another lady, (Mariaine Croes), but I have no idea why she isn’t handling this.
Conflicting reports? Those only come from the media, darling, as the cops and prosecution are keeping their mouths shut. After the drama of Friday night, I don’t blame them.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/mariannecroes.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 01:52:28 PM

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arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 12:04 pm
I do want to say something about the spokesperson, this lady v/d Biezen is not the usual spkesperson for the prosecutions’s office. It’s usually another lady, (Mariaine Croes), but I have no idea why she isn’t handling this.
Conflicting reports? Those only come from the media, darling, as the cops and prosecution are keeping their mouths shut. After the drama of Friday night, I don’t blame them.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/mariannecroes.jpg)



Would the drama be the "confession" that never happened?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 01:55:36 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:00:07 PM

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/VivianVanderBriezen.jpg)

arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 12:04 pm
I do want to say something about the spokesperson, this lady v/d Biezen is not the usual spkesperson for the prosecutions’s office. It’s usually another lady, (Mariaine Croes), but I have no idea why she isn’t handling this.
Conflicting reports? Those only come from the media, darling, as the cops and prosecution are keeping their mouths shut. After the drama of Friday night, I don’t blame them.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/mariannecroes.jpg)



Would the drama be the "confession" that never happened?


Bingo!....after that they found 'official' spokespersons, so there would be no more 'misunderstandings'!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 02:02:13 PM
Mum
You mean no more TRUTH spoken...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 02:10:57 PM
Just a couple from the link below. Reply 7…Thanks Finngirl

Freddy’s car and Freddy helping to dispose of the body and of course Freddy’s ‘real’ name…Interesting reading if anyone is interested.

6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, so we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.

ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.

++++++

7:39 pm
Shell: Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.

.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0

++++

Interesting….Tito…the one that gave out all the confusing info and Rueben, an official spokesman!

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!







Wanted to say Tito was big into knowing nothing when asked a question...he knew...he knew more than he wanted to let on.  I remember when he was here posting....strange ideas...that Tito.   He is the one that misconstrued the Lorenzo name and it has remained confusing since.  He is the one that didn't want to finger Guido as being the croupier that night and it is still confusing everyone.  Tito is very good as confusion...not to mention he always talked as if he had a mouth full of cotton. :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 05, 2008, 02:11:01 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:13:06 PM
Mum
You mean no more TRUTH spoken...

Yep....With lots of confusion thrown in!

Lorenzo/Guido Wever
Max Arends/Arendz

Just thinking of that vietvet post from the FP, I think I have that right, about calling and getting confirmation on the body! And then there was no body! Or was there!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
Mum
You mean no more TRUTH spoken...


 :smt045 unless it suited their purposes, JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:18:21 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...I think I recall that Mos came in March 2007....LOL...I think.

I have been trying to remember whether it was her or van der Straten that took 'something' back to Holland. Hand delivered it. I thought it was the DNA.
Searched it once and came up empty.

Always thought it was 'the package from the Hague'


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 02:24:25 PM
Mum
Sent you email showing you what your other one is doing.  Check it out.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 02:26:07 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...I think I recall that Mos came in March 2007....LOL...I think.

I have been trying to remember whether it was her or van der Straten that took 'something' back to Holland. Hand delivered it. I thought it was the DNA.
Searched it once and came up empty.

Always thought it was 'the package from the Hague'

After Jansen left wasn't there someone else that was there in the interim?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:26:55 PM
Just a couple from the link below. Reply 7…Thanks Finngirl

Freddy’s car and Freddy helping to dispose of the body and of course Freddy’s ‘real’ name…Interesting reading if anyone is interested.

6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, so we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.

ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.

++++++

7:39 pm
Shell: Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.

.http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0

++++

Interesting….Tito…the one that gave out all the confusing info and Rueben, an official spokesman!

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!







Wanted to say Tito was big into knowing nothing when asked a question...he knew...he knew more than he wanted to let on.  I remember when he was here posting....strange ideas...that Tito.   He is the one that misconstrued the Lorenzo name and it has remained confusing since.  He is the one that didn't want to finger Guido as being the croupier that night and it is still confusing everyone.  Tito is very good as confusion...not to mention he always talked as if he had a mouth full of cotton. :roll:


Lala's..in those posts at that link, one of the posters said that Art Wood was saying that Freddy had been arrested about the car. Another said the news was saying it was about the body.

My question....since I know nothing about Daury...was he supposed to older, Joran had known him all his life?

Could this be the Frederick Arends that makes vids we talked about the other day?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 02:36:00 PM
Would you call a stranger to get rid of a dead girl or would you call someone you knew that would come to your aid? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:42:47 PM
Mum
Sent you email showing you what your other one is doing.  Check it out.


Thanks...I just emailed them....probably just my computer stalker as DH calls it!...lol...Better run my virus scan!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:44:58 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.




You could be right! I seem to remember her leaving at the end of the year!...More homework!

Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...I think I recall that Mos came in March 2007....LOL...I think.

I have been trying to remember whether it was her or van der Straten that took 'something' back to Holland. Hand delivered it. I thought it was the DNA.
Searched it once and came up empty.

Always thought it was 'the package from the Hague'

After Jansen left wasn't there someone else that was there in the interim?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:51:04 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.




You could be right! I seem to remember her leaving at the end of the year!...More homework!
Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...I think I recall that Mos came in March 2007....LOL...I think.

I have been trying to remember whether it was her or van der Straten that took 'something' back to Holland. Hand delivered it. I thought it was the DNA.
Searched it once and came up empty.

Always thought it was 'the package from the Hague'

After Jansen left wasn't there someone else that was there in the interim?


Sorry answer in red above...took me a while to find it..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 02:58:01 PM
Would you call a stranger to get rid of a dead girl or would you call someone you knew that would come to your aid? 

Lala's...do you always answer a question with a question?

 Freddy Zedan Arambatzis Arends was involved with the car and moving of the body, but he's not that much older. But now we have an older Frederick Arends, who also likes to take pictures.

I wonder who put this Freddy Zedan information out there in the first place?

Wonder if he's a fake...Freddy Zedan?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 05, 2008, 03:16:03 PM

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arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 12:04 pm
I do want to say something about the spokesperson, this lady v/d Biezen is not the usual spkesperson for the prosecutions’s office. It’s usually another lady, (Mariaine Croes), but I have no idea why she isn’t handling this.
Conflicting reports? Those only come from the media, darling, as the cops and prosecution are keeping their mouths shut. After the drama of Friday night, I don’t blame them.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/mariannecroes.jpg)



Would the drama be the "confession" that never happened?
I would say YES,
Something bad happend,
 no it didn't ,yes it did. they gave us the
Aruba-run-a-round and they still are. IMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 05, 2008, 03:23:57 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::

This just posted by Viet Vet on the front page:

Folks, I was there at the very beginning. I met Van der Stratten on Wed., after she missed the flight on that Monday… He said, I can’t arrest by best friend’s son,,, he was a tall, great of girth fellow who constantly looked at the ground and played with the sand with his foot. He knew everything that had happened. To me, the biggest crime is how the government of Aruba covered the whole mess up. Joran is certainly a killer, but ALE and Karin Jansen are the real criminals, they allowed him to run free. May the Lord have mercy upon their souls, for they are certainly headed to Hell, even if some are the children of Israel.
So that would be what date


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 03:24:08 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.







 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2008, 03:27:26 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...I think I recall that Mos came in March 2007....LOL...I think.

I have been trying to remember whether it was her or van der Straten that took 'something' back to Holland. Hand delivered it. I thought it was the DNA.
Searched it once and came up empty.

Always thought it was 'the package from the Hague'

It was Karin Jansen that hand delivered something to Holland, IIRC when she was going on vacation.  I'll see if I can find anything about it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 05, 2008, 03:33:59 PM
Hi Finn...all the early reports I saw came from van der Straten, this would have been through the 5th. (not sure on the 6th. even though I just posted the dates he was out, I would need to recheck) and Karen Jansen. And Julia on TV.
I am sorry I haven't been back to revisit it.



Do you or anyone else remember Karen Jansen's dates of tenure as prosecutor in Aruba?  You have a better memory than I....seems I watched every piece possible on news channels from the start.  I don't remember van der straten as clearly as Marianne Croes. ::MonkeyConfused::

This just posted by Viet Vet on the front page:

Folks, I was there at the very beginning. I met Van der Stratten on Wed., after she missed the flight on that Monday… He said, I can’t arrest by best friend’s son,,, he was a tall, great of girth fellow who constantly looked at the ground and played with the sand with his foot. He knew everything that had happened. To me, the biggest crime is how the government of Aruba covered the whole mess up. Joran is certainly a killer, but ALE and Karin Jansen are the real criminals, they allowed him to run free. May the Lord have mercy upon their souls, for they are certainly headed to Hell, even if some are the children of Israel.
So that would be what date



Thanks Blonde...I found van der Straten doing the early talking and then KJ.

I thought Caps was after the pros. office spokesperson, but I don't think that came until later. Maybe after the 11th. even!

Thanks TM...I bet Janet has something...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Chata on April 05, 2008, 03:40:26 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.







 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::




So, is this connected with the call Joran's publisher made "in a panic" to Daury after Joran's little revelation to his new friend VdE???  Is your theory connected??  I'm still trying to take all this in CAPS.  Seems "out there" at the moment, but then very little has made sense since this began in 2005.

They are talking about this phone call over at BFN and why/how it was made.  I brought a little bit of the discussion over ... hope that is OK.

Quote from Pearl in USA:
From BFN
snippet:

"She said, 'I got your number from Joran, because he said your name is going to show up in the press, but I know it's not true. It doesn't fit the story, so you've got to do something about it. You've got to give me proof [of his whereabouts in May 2005], so I can put it in the newspaper ... here in Holland."

.......I find it interesting that Joran had Daury's phone number. Daury said they played tennis when he was 16. So I suppose Daury was also familiar with the Racquet Club scene/patrons. Daury said he played poker with Joran the last year. So I suppose Daury was also familiar with Joran's gambling habits/routines.

...... I would like to know what "nic" Joran put Daury into his phone with...... ie, Beto, Tupac, etc. All the other names of Joran's friends were in his phone memory with nics, pimp game nics.

..... Zvezdana said she got it from Joran, so it is there, or at least she might know what it was if it is now gone.

...... I would like to know if that found phone from the lighthouse area had a address pre-programmed list of names- nics in it. Just to know. It could have been revealing. MO

Quote from Granny Toad:
From BFN
What??!!WTF She knew to say "it didn't fit THE STORY" ...



CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 04:08:09 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.







 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Do you remeber daury from Joran on TV. well the Daury Rodriguez that claim he was studing in Holland was arrested in USA with the Transportation of Heroine... This is the latest news.. guess he also did not got paid?

That makes 2 that ware in the public eyes...

Mystical Powers of OLORUM at work here!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 04:15:29 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.







 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Do you remeber daury from Joran on TV. well the Daury Rodriguez that claim he was studing in Holland was arrested in USA with the Transportation of Heroine... This is the latest news.. guess he also did not got paid?

That makes 2 that ware in the public eyes...

Mystical Powers of OLORUM at work here!

Interesting...do we know what date?  Here these things have records and we should be able to check this out for sure.  Thanks for the info.  Caps did you see my questions earlier about if I was thinking along the correct path?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 05, 2008, 04:25:01 PM
Do you remeber daury from Joran on TV. well the Daury Rodriguez that claim he was studing in Holland was arrested in USA with the Transportation of Heroine... This is the latest news.. guess he also did not got paid?

That makes 2 that ware in the public eyes...

Mystical Powers of OLORUM at work here!

CAPS how do you know this do you have a link so that we can read this TY


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 04:47:43 PM
Something happened to my web browser this morning.  I lost my address book and all of my saved email.  I'm still having problems and I'm way behind with the information.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 05, 2008, 04:54:44 PM
Something happened to my web browser this morning.  I lost my address book and all of my saved email.  I'm still having problems and I'm way behind with the information.

  Sorry SS Get the free spybot and run it  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 05:00:21 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.







 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Do you remeber daury from Joran on TV. well the Daury Rodriguez that claim he was studing in Holland was arrested in USA with the Transportation of Heroine... This is the latest news.. guess he also did not got paid?

That makes 2 that ware in the public eyes...

Mystical Powers of OLORUM at work here!

Interesting...do we know what date?  Here these things have records and we should be able to check this out for sure.  Thanks for the info.  Caps did you see my questions earlier about if I was thinking along the correct path?

Yes we are on the correct path

Look at the book


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 05:21:46 PM
the loot = (VIRGINIA)

IT fit perfectly.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 06:01:00 PM
SS, you have a virus / code and I know the exact former member that use to send it out. You got it in an email through that person or a friend of that person.

try system restore... it might work and it might not... I don't think it worked for me when I got it... Microsoft has a patch, I believe.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/notg.jpg)

I do not see  GVC
He is there on your right Blonde.  If you cannot see him, then Klaas has a pic where you can see him.  Also I have one at home where it is even better.  There is a ceremony there.  There is a lot you can see if you look in the right direction.   jackb



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 06:51:50 PM
This is from a model's portfolio?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Guidi has a brother who IS/was a model as well.  His name is david and looks a few years older than guido, but not too much.  No, he is not 69 years old.  He is supposed to be of the gay persuasion as is guido.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 06:58:34 PM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.

Like you would know so much about Lorenzo?  You know NO pics are out there.
I will tell you this and it may enable to to think a bit more about what you are saying.  You are incorrect in your assumptions.  There are pictures (maybe) that even I have not seen.  The US has pictures of nearly every human bein on this planet, up to and including Lorenzo.  No one escapes the eye in the sky and/or
planes that fly over so high or so low that radar cannot pick them up.  As for me seeing your.  I do not need to, as I probably have what I need.  PS tell your little friends they made a bad mistake.      Jackb

Jackb - I agree with FIN on the Lorenzo picks.  I suggest you (Jackb) drop it and stop attacking posters.  Sure, there are probably lots of photos around of me too but do you have any of them?

This is a warning Jackb - we do not attack other posters and don't claim to have photos that the US Government may or may not have.


Also, please do not ask me to post photos for you.  You are no more special than anyone else here and the majority of us have photobucket accounts.  If we can do it so can you.
That is where you are wrong.  I do have some pictures, and I WILL NOT put any pictures on photo buckett or whatever.  I will NEVER ask you to post anything for me again.  I have proven what I need to.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 07:04:26 PM
Why would he be mad over one girl?  He had girls falling all over him.

He, in every picture I see of him is surrounded by girls.
  He may have had company by Joran with NH, that sounds more reasonable and helped him after Joran did whatever it is he did with whomever.  It just does not add up to me that, given Rijn's age he would be too concerned about Joran's "girlfriends."  Just an opinion.

you gotta be the only threadsurfer who's seen numerous pics of LvR,
expecially surrounded by girls/girls falling all over him

ROFLMFAO ... benefit of the doubt: it wasn't LvR but some other guy

the only known photos of LvR are shady surveillance shots,
the photo in the van smuggled to us by Peeps
and a few taken during his recent arrest on cultivation/weapons charges

there aren't any club/party photos
No, it may be you are the only poster who has NOT seen them.  j/b

enlighten me  :cool:

post 'em  :wink:

uh, don't tell me ... they're in "outside storage"

GMAFB



FIN: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  jack.
never said I had what doesn't exist. that's your gig

Also:  Mum you may be right.  Water seeks its own level.

Like you would know so much about Lorenzo?  You know NO pics are out there.
I will tell you this and it may enable to to think a bit more about what you are saying.  You are incorrect in your assumptions.  There are pictures (maybe) that even I have not seen.  The US has pictures of nearly every human bein on this planet, up to and including Lorenzo.  No one escapes the eye in the sky and/or
planes that fly over so high or so low that radar cannot pick them up.  As for me seeing your.  I do not need to, as I probably have what I need.  PS tell your little friends they made a bad mistake.      Jackb

Jackb - I agree with FIN on the Lorenzo picks.  I suggest you (Jackb) drop it and stop attacking posters.  Sure, there are probably lots of photos around of me too but do you have any of them?

This is a warning Jackb - we do not attack other posters and don't claim to have photos that the US Government may or may not have.


Also, please do not ask me to post photos for you.  You are no more special than anyone else here and the majority of us have photobucket accounts.  If we can do it so can you.
That is where you are wrong.  I do have some pictures, and I WILL NOT put any pictures on photo buckett or whatever.  I will NEVER ask you to post anything for me again.  I have proven what I need to.   jackb

  Who attacked who first here?  What is your problem, anyway?  I was under the impression that you were interested in having the pictures.  I could not care less, and if I were a mind too, the news would love to eat on what I have, I am not wanting to hurt the family and I figured the best way to do that was to insure some of these pictures I have sent you were investigated before they were turned loose.  I have my doubts now as to what you have done with the pictures, but at least if they get out before being looked into I will know who did it, now wont I?   jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 07:21:09 PM
Hey Rob,

Where is my side by side you promised?  I know you have been busy, but please...if you can.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 07:24:33 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GVCANDUNKNOWNMALE3.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 07:25:20 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/notg.jpg)

I do not see  GVC
He is there on your right Blonde.  If you cannot see him, then Klaas has a pic where you can see him.  Also I have one at home where it is even better.  There is a ceremony there.  There is a lot you can see if you look in the right direction.   jackb



I do elieve I perceive a bit of something going on here.  If you, Klaasande and your buddy, Fin are calling me a liar, then say it.  You know nothing about me or what I am doing.  I am the one being attacked here.  Like you are doing me a favor?  I don't think so.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2008, 07:34:34 PM
Jackb - nobody is calling you a liar.  You seem to be the only one that requires OTHERS to post photos for you.  Don't you think we all have things to do besides handle that for you?  It gets a little tiring after a while, that's all. 

If you have photos that prove something post them.

I'm not going to argue about it and if you continue to do so I'll be forced to put you on a temporary timeout.  This is a warning.  


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 05, 2008, 07:36:09 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GVCANDUNKNOWNMALE3.jpg)

Guy in the pic on the left does not look like GVC to me. Do you think it is him? The guy on the left has a very pointed nose,  and a slightly receding chin, neither of which seem apparent on GVC.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2008, 07:36:59 PM
Capslock - I'd like to hear more about Daury being detained/arrested in the US for drugs.  Is Daury Rodriguez his real name? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 05, 2008, 07:39:04 PM
jackb wrote;

Quote
He is there on your right Blonde.  If you cannot see him, then Klaas has a pic where you can see him.  Also I have one at home where it is even better.  There is a ceremony there.  There is a lot you can see if you look in the right direction.   jackb

I didn't want to repost the pic, but in that blown up photo of renfro and male there is nothing clearly visible on the right that resembles GVC...not just my opinion but the truth.
Do you have anything clearer so we can tell if he is really there?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 05, 2008, 07:42:11 PM
I think I have missed the point of the photos.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 05, 2008, 07:44:21 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GVCANDUNKNOWNMALE3.jpg)

Guy in the pic on the left does not look like GVC to me. Do you think it is him? The guy on the left has a very pointed nose,  and a slightly receding chin, neither of which seem apparent on GVC.

Does not look like GVC to me either:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SoulBeachMale.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 05, 2008, 09:31:25 PM
Rob,  Do you remember which patch you used.  I'm still working on it. Norton didn't pick up anything.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 10:05:24 PM
Rob,  Do you remember which patch you used.  I'm still working on it. Norton didn't pick up anything.

I'm sorry SS I don't recall. Maybe just try typing into a Microsoft web page what you are experiencing and it will probably find related cases quite easily.

It happened to me about 18 months ago. There is a remedy I think.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 10:21:12 PM
Hi Monkeys CSI,

Daury or was it Duery or what every his name was, Has been detain in the USA with herion transportation....

The on that Joran mention... The one that say he was in holland. He is now in the costudy in the USA.

News was wispert in CAPS ears.. it is still in the development.






caps are you talking about the dude who said he was barely acquainted with Jvs
and he had not seen him except one he gambled with him while he was on vacation and was talking law suit.  When did he get busted?  Jackb



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 05, 2008, 10:26:33 PM
Sorry - O/T

anyhoo

SS,
I have a few links for you and some remedies.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/321505

I'm certain it was the .dbx file

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=958431&SiteID=17



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 05, 2008, 10:26:35 PM
SS…This is what I thought of this morning… It was at this link:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0
 
"G" seems to be some guy from Amsterdam who was there on a vacation, and he also was in the casino that night. Natalee was constantly calling on a cell phone in the casino....

Just a thought, but we have a Theory and Speculations thread, is you want to try and sort through this, we could take it there and see what we can come up with! I probably won’t be able to do much until next week, though.



caps do you have your own blog or website somewhere?  I will probably not be on this one too much longer as there are a couple on here that are trying to get me pizzed off so they can ban me.  If I go and you need me for something.  I can be reached at Bluebear@rjia.net
I will not take any guff, Duth guff or otherwise.   Jack blue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 12:24:18 AM
I'm still working on my problem, but I wanted to give my favorite monkeys a present.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 12:44:41 AM
Thanks SS!!  Now, I am wondering if this is the Daury that Caps said is in the USA now under arrest?  This could get interesting.  Wonder what law enforcement organization arrested him and where and when?  Well, it would have to have been in the last month or so, I guess, but where?  Don't anyone say Florida...that seems to be the favorite  place for Aruba's finest to migrate toward.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 06, 2008, 01:34:39 AM
Jackb...sweetie...let go of your ego...and learn to *meld*...

Destiny


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 06, 2008, 02:35:38 AM
Jackb...sweetie...let go of your ego...and learn to *meld*...

Destiny

Sweet Destiny it is not me I am trying to be smart-azzed about, but some of the things I have could be hurtful to the family if I posted them in that I pick up on some things and bring them into focus that does not need to be "out" just yet.  By me minimizing the people I give the pics to,(the ones have and have worked out other scenes) the less chance for this to cause problems or pain.  I cannot take a chance of posting one pic on here or on the photobucket as whomever is covering up scenes with other picture scenes is really good at computers and could hack into shared information.  If some of those people are of a mind to, they could hire someone else who could if they cannot not.  So what I do is put what I work on on outside disk and do not even have access to it most of the time unless I am in one place long enough and need it.  That sounds strange I know, but until now I have not mentioned this, but it seems some think I am trying to be a tight azz about anything I have.  No, not so.  Others think I am thinking I am special, No, but the pictures are and until I see some answers, things will just have to stay the way they are, but I will never send another one to the admin for on here or to keep and pass on.  American's have about lost the country smoozing up to foreigners at the expense of their own.  I have seen this happen time and again on blogs.  People who want to help, fine, but to get on here and think they are so "needed" they can cause other bloggers problems is just par for the corps of many people.  I say:  Smooze and lose.  I need no audience, was just trying to figure some things out.  It seems you, Destiny and Lala's mom, and a few more who have been interested in this what could be evidence I have in a positive way.  I appreciate that.  I am not interested in my own pet theories, but what I have learned and seen, I cannot disbelieve.  It is simply a coverup and maybe in time it will be prosecuted.  I have done what I can do without exposing things that no one has even had the decency to thank me for or to let me know what they have done with them.  I would have quit and gone through a direct route a long time ago, to the family's investigators, but it seems they are learned in other fields than computer or should I say forensic graphics.  Thanks though.  I can be reached by sending email to bluebear@rjia.net.  Also right now I am out of town and accessing through a lap top, not sure when I will be checking that e-mail add., I will not do it from here on this computer. Will not be long before I get pizzed off and am off here.  I do not smooze.    Jack


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 03:16:55 AM
Daury Rodriguez....

An article about Daury

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4239135&page=1

Party Peeps

http://www.partypeeps2000.com/members/DRzzz.aspx


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 06, 2008, 04:44:33 AM
http://misdaad.aktueel.nu/doorbraak_in_zaak_holloway.html

Quote
MISDAAD.AKTUEEL.NU
 
Nieuws vanaf Aruba. Ik doel daarbij niet op het gezinsdrama in Santa Cruz waarbij een drugsverslaafde zijn ouders en broer ombracht, maar op de zaak Natalee Holloway.
Alle hoop van het team dat de bekentenissen van Joran van der Sloot onderzoekt is gevestigd op een spoortje dat leidt naar een man, die wegens een drugsdelict vastzit in de Verenigde Staten. De politie heeft aanwijzingen dat hij wellicht de persoon is die het bootje heeft gevaren waarmee Natalee naar open zee is gebracht. De komende tijd moet duidelijk worden of het een heet spoor is of een dwaalspoor. Maar uit het feit dat het gaat om een zogeheten embargo-onderzoek (onderzoek dat nauwlettend wordt afgeschermd, ook voor collega-politiemensen) kan worden opgemaakt dat de informatie behoorlijk serieus wordt genomen. Zou de “Daury” dan toch bestaan?

A rough translation:

Quote
Breakthrough in Holloway Case?

News from Aruba. I don’t mean the family tragedy in Santa Crux were a drugs addict killed his parents and brother, but I mean the Holloway case.
The team of detectives, investigating the confessions of Joran v.d. Sloot, is tracing a man being lockup in the USA for a drugs crime. The police have indications he might be the one driving the little boat taking Natalee to the open sea. In the coming days it has to become clear weather this is a hot track or a wrong track.
But from the fact it the track is treated as a so called “embargo-investigation” (an investigation carefully separated, even for colleague police-officers), the conclusion could be taken that this information is rather serious.
Is it possible that after all this Daury really exists?

Katrien posted this over in the NH thread; I brought it over for those who might stop in here first.

THANKS KATRIEN!!!!   THANKS CAPS!!!!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Silverfox on April 06, 2008, 07:51:00 AM
I'm still working on my problem, but I wanted to give my favorite monkeys a present.

If this is true that this is "the" one...and if it is true that drug trafficking is somehow involved here then perhaps the DEA/FBI investigative files and long arm can make a nexus between her death and drug trafficking thus enabling extradition of anyone they deem major suspects...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2008, 08:13:01 AM
Capslock - I'd like to hear more about Daury being detained/arrested in the US for drugs.  Is Daury Rodriguez his real name? 


http://www.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/heroin_index.html
I will check these out today. If it was a major bust...it might be newsworthy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on April 06, 2008, 08:40:55 AM
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/news_releases.htm


good places to look here...at the right side of page.
Best to check out anything 'Cocaine' too. I just looked a bit into the Heroine link...didn't find anything interesting.

Anywhoooo...DEA is a place to start.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 09:10:13 AM
Good Morning Jack,

If I could simply offer my opinion I would appreciate it. Thank you.

In previous conversations with Dave Holloway, I have tried to use as much decorum as possible. After-all, it is his daughter we are all talking about. She is not internet fodder for people with nothing better to do than harass a grieving family and the nut-jobs of the world to use as a vehicle to vent their worldly frustrations.

Dave has told me that nothing can hurt him any more than what has already happened. Nothing. It's just better to say what you will and the family will not be offended. They want the answers no matter what those answers really are. I have heard probably more rumors about Natalee than anyone other than Red and Klaas. And for the most part they are nothing more than rumors.

If you have a photo or information, I suggest you take it directly to Mr Holloway. There are many here that have Dave's email address and would gladly put you in touch, if you do not have his email address, and if you really have something that will help this family get the answers they seek. I don't think anyone here wants to be a hero and would gladly give what they have or know. I might suggest you consider doing the same.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to voice my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: sharon on April 06, 2008, 09:17:01 AM
http://www.dea.gov/pubs/news_releases.htm


good places to look here...at the right side of page.
Best to check out anything 'Cocaine' too. I just looked a bit into the Heroine link...didn't find anything interesting.

Anywhoooo...DEA is a place to start.

Thanks nut!

I've been following your links to see if I can find anything,too. So far nothing.

I'm checking local (Miami) news as wll -- the Miami offices of the FBI and DEA also 'handle' the Caribbean.

So far nothing -- but I don't know how 'timely' these things get posted


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 09:23:48 AM
I recall a person from Aruba listed on the "who's a rat?" website as an informant from Aruba that was busted and was working as a DEA / FBI informant.

http://whosarat.com/

it's now a pay only site... and I'm not buying a membership to that one too. LOL

But maybe someone remembers that listing also.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 09:24:00 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Caps....It has been posted that Joran was seen by the cinemas.

Could you tell us which Steak house he was at? The beach one or the downtown one?  TIA

Hi Sharon...been checking since yesterday...no luck either!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 09:25:47 AM
I recall a person from Aruba listed on the "who's a rat?" website as an informant from Aruba that was busted and was working as a DEA / FBI informant.

http://whosarat.com/

it's now a pay only site... and I'm not buying a membership to that one too. LOL

But maybe someone remembers that listing also.

maybe last name is Diaz, but not totally sure. I know I made a post about it a good while back when I found it initially. Can some use the search tool here and see if that post still exists?

I can't seem to get the search option to fully function for me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 09:25:55 AM
the loot = (VIRGINIA)

IT fit perfectly.




Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found.

the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 09:27:39 AM
I recall a person from Aruba listed on the "who's a rat?" website as an informant from Aruba that was busted and was working as a DEA / FBI informant.

http://whosarat.com/

it's now a pay only site... and I'm not buying a membership to that one too. LOL

But maybe someone remembers that listing also.


Morning Rob…I wonder if that is Mr X…the FBI protected witness in J’s book?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 09:28:08 AM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:32 pm
The sacrifice is the correct food to appease the gods, arawaks, and cowboys
but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 09:28:41 AM
I recall a person from Aruba listed on the "who's a rat?" website as an informant from Aruba that was busted and was working as a DEA / FBI informant.

http://whosarat.com/

it's now a pay only site... and I'm not buying a membership to that one too. LOL

But maybe someone remembers that listing also.


Morning Rob…I wonder if that is Mr X…the FBI protected witness in J’s book?

Morning Mummy  ::MonkeyWink::

Good thinking!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 09:30:37 AM
is there a deceased or accused "G" Lampe from yesterday?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 09:33:00 AM
the loot = (VIRGINIA)

IT fit perfectly.




Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found.

the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot


Collins ave in Florida was at one time a yellow brick road. Not sure if it today, but it was a while back.

Collins and Hollywood intersect if I recall correctly and leads to Brickell ave... again all IIRC..

Good Morning Colombo


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 06, 2008, 09:53:34 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Caps....It has been posted that Joran was seen by the cinemas.

Could you tell us which Steak house he was at? The beach one or the downtown one?  TIA

Hi Sharon...been checking since yesterday...no luck either!



Mum

I don't have the Caps' translator, but I think he was saying the Van der Sloots were there, but not Joran.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 09:59:25 AM
So are we still waiting to find out if the arrested person is the original Daury that Joran fingered as the boat guy or do we have any idea yet?  Caps indicated it was THE Daury that was part of the confession. 

And Mum, I too, would like to know about the steakhouse story.  I may have this wrong but is seems that Caps is saying Joran was not there but Paulus was.  I know I must not understand that sentence...just need clarification.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:02:09 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



Caps....It has been posted that Joran was seen by the cinemas.

Could you tell us which Steak house he was at? The beach one or the downtown one?  TIA

Hi Sharon...been checking since yesterday...no luck either!



Mum

I don't have the Caps' translator, but I think he was saying the Van der Sloots were there, but not Joran.


Hi  Buckeye...Hmmm...I asked him that yesterday...May be Zeolla...Thanks

Been looking at the de Veer guy downtown...where is JE?...Vice-Consul to Denmark!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:04:52 AM
Morning Lala's...posting for reference from Pita...I don't think it has anything to do with what Rob posted...???

« Reply #238 on: October 04, 2007, 02:35:16 PM » 

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This article confirms Eric Williams worked for the DEA.

Case law involving DEA agent Eric Williams....

snipped....

In 1993, federal and state law enforcement agencies began an operation in South Florida called "Hard Rock." The purpose of the operation was to alleviate inner city drug trafficking. While acting in an undercover capacity, Special Drug Enforcement Agency ("DEA") Agent Eric Williams ("Williams") met Diaz and two confidential informants ("CI #1") and ("CI #2"), at Bavarian Auto Parts in Miami to discuss the purchase of three ounces of crack cocaine. Agent Williams overheard Diaz tell CI #1 that the crack cocaine would arrive shortly. When Agent Williams asked CI #1 why Diaz had rushed them to the location when the cocaine was not ready, Diaz replied "What he [CI #1] is not telling you, man, is that I had it, I had it . . . since last week, and you all are late." (1SR1:19). Agent Williams then observed Quiles leaving the scene after speaking with Diaz. Diaz told Agent Williams that Quiles had gone to get the cocaine.......

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=11th&navby=case&no=964405opn
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 10:07:23 AM
Morning Lala's...posting for reference from Pita...I don't think it has anything to do with what Rob posted...???

« Reply #238 on: October 04, 2007, 02:35:16 PM » 

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This article confirms Eric Williams worked for the DEA.

Case law involving DEA agent Eric Williams....

snipped....

In 1993, federal and state law enforcement agencies began an operation in South Florida called "Hard Rock." The purpose of the operation was to alleviate inner city drug trafficking. While acting in an undercover capacity, Special Drug Enforcement Agency ("DEA") Agent Eric Williams ("Williams") met Diaz and two confidential informants ("CI #1") and ("CI #2"), at Bavarian Auto Parts in Miami to discuss the purchase of three ounces of crack cocaine. Agent Williams overheard Diaz tell CI #1 that the crack cocaine would arrive shortly. When Agent Williams asked CI #1 why Diaz had rushed them to the location when the cocaine was not ready, Diaz replied "What he [CI #1] is not telling you, man, is that I had it, I had it . . . since last week, and you all are late." (1SR1:19). Agent Williams then observed Quiles leaving the scene after speaking with Diaz. Diaz told Agent Williams that Quiles had gone to get the cocaine.......

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=11th&navby=case&no=964405opn
 


This is it. Thanks Mum... that's the Diaz that was on the "who's the rat" site. Doubtful he has anything to do with Natalee's case....I was kinda just thinking out loud...

thanks again


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 06, 2008, 10:09:56 AM
Morning Lala's...posting for reference from Pita...I don't think it has anything to do with what Rob posted...???

« Reply #238 on: October 04, 2007, 02:35:16 PM » 

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This article confirms Eric Williams worked for the DEA.

Case law involving DEA agent Eric Williams....

snipped....

In 1993, federal and state law enforcement agencies began an operation in South Florida called "Hard Rock." The purpose of the operation was to alleviate inner city drug trafficking. While acting in an undercover capacity, Special Drug Enforcement Agency ("DEA") Agent Eric Williams ("Williams") met Diaz and two confidential informants ("CI #1") and ("CI #2"), at Bavarian Auto Parts in Miami to discuss the purchase of three ounces of crack cocaine. Agent Williams overheard Diaz tell CI #1 that the crack cocaine would arrive shortly. When Agent Williams asked CI #1 why Diaz had rushed them to the location when the cocaine was not ready, Diaz replied "What he [CI #1] is not telling you, man, is that I had it, I had it . . . since last week, and you all are late." (1SR1:19). Agent Williams then observed Quiles leaving the scene after speaking with Diaz. Diaz told Agent Williams that Quiles had gone to get the cocaine.......

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=11th&navby=case&no=964405opn
 


This is it. Thanks Mum... that's the Diaz that was on the "who's the rat" site. Doubtful he has anything to do with Natalee's case....I was kinda just thinking out loud...

thanks again

wait, maybe it doesn't... I'm not sure at all...I'm confused.

IIRC, and I'm not sure I do, the person was a former drug dealer working with the DEA and FBI  . . . but I can't remember it all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 10:10:51 AM
Thanks Mum.  I was over reading and missed the point I guess. I am bad to scan and then go back and still not get the point of a post.  I am not sure about the Joran at steakhouse reference, though.  If Joran was not there...I am not sure where "there" is either...does that mean that both Paulus and Anita were there?  Oh heck!  Maybe I should just forget it...I really do not understand that post at all...there I admit it...I can't understand Capspeak. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 10:25:38 AM
Rob
You are not talking about Daury are you? You are talking about another person.  I knew I was confused again...slinking off to the corner.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:29:40 AM
Thanks Mum.  I was over reading and missed the point I guess. I am bad to scan and then go back and still not get the point of a post.  I am not sure about the Joran at steakhouse reference, though.  If Joran was not there...I am not sure where "there" is either...does that mean that both Paulus and Anita were there?  Oh heck!  Maybe I should just forget it...I really do not understand that post at all...there I admit it...I can't understand Capspeak. LOL


I am not sure if he meant Paulus, Paulus and Anita, or Joran.

Remember Melody's post about the theaters?

I want to know where J2K and Paulus was from 10PM to 12.30AM that night!

Caps, please help us out on the Steak House!...TIA

Rob...Not sure...It was a long time ago...1993 for that Diaz!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 10:42:27 AM
Mum do you mean these?


from RWV #123 Natalee Holloway Chat

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ...
i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where
i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM

i know for sure i saw him that saturday, i can swear upon it, i had a party to go to on
28th and next day i went to the movies where i saw him. i'm really sorry , i don't remember
the time, but it was before 12am for sure.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:24 AM
________________________________________________________________________________________
but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM
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man i'm confused :( i saw him the next day, the day after the party, and i know it was
the 28th (the party)

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:27 AM
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wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am Daisy Smile ... i wrote down
the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend
kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,
don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM
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sorry :S ... it was on a saturday.. so you guys tell me which date then :$

and rock pier??? where's that?? is that the one next to the phoenix hotel??

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:38 AM
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Dan - i know my seeing him has no impact whatsoever. it was the first time i haven;t said
hi to him at all because of his face _expression and me being with someone else.... so i;m
sorry for not helping with any facts. but i asked for personal reasons :$ ... and no i
really don't have feelings for him anymore...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:51 AM
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nonono annie... i didn't see him at the casino ... you see the casino is very VERY near,
like turning the corner on that shop and crossing the road... i saw him standing against a
pillar alone... but i didn't say hi to him since when he saw me his face turned into a
''hurt'' face, i thought it might be me walking with my now-boyfriend ... but that happened
Downtown... near carlos and charlies? yes... 3 min away by car maybe? i've walked it in
about 10 ??

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:00 AM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:47:26 AM
Yes...that's them. Remember Beth said in an interview that he wasn't home at 11PM as she was told some-one offered him a ride at 11 and he said he had one and was waiting for Deepak.

I think I saved it...will look.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 10:47:35 AM
I have more:



annie- he was very close to the casino, so a turn and a crossing-over-the-street away.
and yes i know him personally.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:11 AM
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jane - i know it was before 12am... i really have no idea around what time exactly

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:21 AM
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(she was asked if it was Sat or Sun she saw him)
AG - saturday night, which is why i said that it probably isn't another helpful fact
for you guys. but i was just asking for my own sake ;)

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:23 AM
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(she was asked about doing the interview & why she decided to do it)
calista - they aproached me a few times, but when msnbc approached me i eventually agreed
because they said they'll be talking good about joran (does anyone know if the still do
that?) and no the police hasn't talked to me.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:25 AM
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(since she knew him well, was asked if he could do what was being said)
jane - the only thing i could ever imagine being possible, for him being involved, is
definitly him panicking by some accident.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:41 AM
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(was talking about her saying someone stayed over at JVDS on night NH went missing)
i noticed that already Dan, you posted it the other day :P ...

i don't mind at all ... but as long as it's clear that that's all i know, that he slept
over and that he was called to come so that joran can tell him the girl is missing, and
that joran told him they didn't sleep together... and trust me joran won't lie to him.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:06 AM
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I understand just wanted to be sure that you believe it was SUnday night when he slept
over and then, even if he didn't say - in a small place he would likely know Joran's
comings and goings assuming it is that night. Maybe that is why the police asked him so
many questions ...

Posted by: Dan | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:08 AM
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Jane, when I spoke on the phone with Mel she told me of someone who crashed at Joran's
that night who is his best friend. Also that the next day Joran called him from the raquet
club when he first learned of Natalee's disappearance.

Posted by: Dan | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:11 AM
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But Melody, maybe that would be possible - MAYBE - But how did they have time to come up
with the thought it would be bad to say he just left her alone to walk? The first time
they even supposedly knew she never made it to her hotel was the next night when natalees
parents showed up at Jorans house wanting to ask him what happened - nobody knew anythiong
until then - there was no news no nothing....so how would joran and deepak and satish have
time to come up with that new story on the spot like that?? that story was made up way
before beth holloway ever got to his house - they had it ready

Posted by: calista | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:20 AM


whoo ... i'm really tired now...

but lastly - the friend slept over at his house but wasn't out with him, therefor he has
no alibi as to his where abouts before he got home.

and i don't know, his friend told me he called him the next day all shocked, that he had
something ot tell him, and he told him that the girl went missing. ... that must be before
natalee's parents came to him.. and being scared and preparing a story stand logically
with pretending to not know she was missing when approached by the parents, makes your
story more believable right?

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 04:26 AM
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Dan,
So let me get this straight...Melody is saying that the first JvdS and his (sleepover)
friend heard about NH's disappearance was the afternoon of the 30th (at least 8-10 hours
before BHT showed up at the vdS doorstep)? Who told them at that time?

Then, is that how they had their "stories" prepared when BHT showed up? They'd had the
prior warning (that afternoon)?...(then acted surprised by the news when BHT came to their
house?)

Something doesn't smell right...

And another thing...Who WAS/IS this guy who slept over?

Posted by: cocomo | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:02 AM
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Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up? Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM
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Lorenzo is Jaime

NO

Posted by: (((AG))) | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:22 AM
____________________________________________________________________________________
Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad

There is Max Arends (this kid in FL) and then there is Max Arenz (may be Arentz). Two
different people.

Posted by: (((AG))) | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:25 AM
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No, they are not two different people. Same one. Dilma's. Works with Scubajap at Bon Dia,
best friend of Jaime (a/k/a Lorenzo).

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:31 AM
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Gad's he looks like he's 12 from the picture I saw of Max Arends.

He's supposed to be the porno king? Something isn't right with this picture.

Too many people have said that Jaime and Lorenzo are two different people.

Posted by: (((AG))) | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:37 AM
__________________________________________________________________________
Dilma works at Bon Dia with Scubajap. Newspaper owned by the same frizzy head that owns
Aruba Today.

OK. I am outta here because I got this information from some Mountain Brook people. You
know those lying, drunks we talk about on here.

I am outta here, going back to Mountain Brook tomorrow to visit with some more liars, my
kids and grandkids.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:45 AM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 10:49:56 AM
Mum
There is continued confusion as to what night this was...Melody seems to indicate it was Saturday and not Sunday and then changes her mind...so I am not sure how reliable this is after all.  Same song...different verse.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:58:14 AM
Mum
There is continued confusion as to what night this was...Melody seems to indicate it was Saturday and not Sunday and then changes her mind...so I am not sure how reliable this is after all.  Same song...different verse.


Yep...Tyler feels Anita was sitting next to her...

ALE asked in the PVs about 2Ks being with Joran 2 nights in a row..Saturday and Sunday. No Jaime...no Freddy...whoever heck he is...

So who was staying at Joran's that night....Max Arends or Freddy A?????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:59:58 AM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

Yep. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:06:39 AM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

Yep. 


So is Freddy Max????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:08:10 AM
Why is Max Arends not listed in the Dr Phil documents? If he was supposed to be at Joran’s, he would have seen the Kalpoes there. So his info should have gone to 2K’s lawyers. Seems everyone else’s did…well minus a select few associated with the van der Sloots!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 11:13:06 AM
Freddy is real and no I don't think he's Max.  Freddy gave a statement and Anita wanted to know what he told ALE.  That tells me that Freddy does indeed know the truth.  Let's not confuse this like Guido.


The Dr. Phil bunch failed to request some of the most important PV's.  Seems they may not have known they were there or just intentionally did not ask for certain ones...I can't quite understand that.  Don't think it matters anyway...doesn't seem the judge in California is too interested in making the Kalpoes surrender them and doesn't seem Dr. Phil is too interested in finding out either...so that was a waste of energy.   :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:19:55 AM
Freddy is real and no I don't think he's Max.  Freddy gave a statement and Anita wanted to know what he told ALE.  That tells me that Freddy does indeed know the truth.  Let's not confuse this like Guido.


The Dr. Phil bunch failed to request some of the most important PV's.  Seems they may not have known they were there or just intentionally did not ask for certain ones...I can't quite understand that.  Don't think it matters anyway...doesn't seem the judge in California is too interested in making the Kalpoes surrender them and doesn't seem Dr. Phil is too interested in finding out either...so that was a waste of energy.   :roll:

I know...Freddy...still think he may have been the arrest on 6/11. Guido and J2K would make 5!

Maybe the Dr Phil lawyers don't think they are important.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 11:20:21 AM
If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:31:13 AM
If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.




In his book, Joran said that Freddy relatives were interviewed. We assumed as Freddy’s alibi.

It was a simple party at HIS house. He was there the whole time. How could he have left?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:39:21 AM
If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.



or if Paulus had ever left


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 11:40:39 AM
After lots of Microsoft downloads, my system is back up and running.  Thanks Rob, for the patches.  Couldn't use them because I don't use Outlook.

IIRC I read somewhere the Koen was supposed to be at Joran's house that night studying.  Studying could have been excuse to be away from his own house that night.  It sounds like the Pimps were most likely all there waiting for Joran to return with Natalee and hopefully, a few of her friends.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:40:46 AM
Lala's...the other car...who switched places...one of the Kalpoes might be let go!

Whose Hand????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:43:15 AM
PVDS framing Freddy-didn't work.....waltzed away-without his lineage


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
If Freddy did sleep over at Joran's that night...either he would become a suspect (someone Joran called in a panic, knowing he was there) or he would tell in his PV what time Joran came home that night.  If ALE asked about his staying the night, then we have to ask...was there a party?  Who was there?  Would fill in that last blank for the 5th suspect.



or if Paulus had ever left


Morning COLUMBO....Who said the alibi played for the Sloots?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:45:02 AM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:47:03 AM
PVDS framing Freddy-didn't work.....waltzed away-without his lineage

So if Paulus was framing Freddy, who was the alibi playing for, if not the Sloots?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:49:17 AM
After lots of Microsoft downloads, my system is back up and running.  Thanks Rob, for the patches.  Couldn't use them because I don't use Outlook.

IIRC I read somewhere the Koen was supposed to be at Joran's house that night studying.  Studying could have been excuse to be away from his own house that night.  It sounds like the Pimps were most likely all there waiting for Joran to return with Natalee and hopefully, a few of her friends.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi SS...hope you could restore your lost stuff!

IIRC Koen was visiting a friend in Florida ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:51:21 AM
PVDS framing Freddy-didn't work.....waltzed away-without his lineage

So if Paulus was framing Freddy, who was the alibi playing for, if not the Sloots?


elder needs to sing to preserve his lineage
he can hum any tune


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:53:02 AM


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing
 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:54:58 AM
who switched places? his fear runs deep


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 11:56:30 AM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 06, 2008, 12:14:41 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 12:27:50 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 12:36:22 PM

Sanders and his dad were on the boat Fact
Koen was visiting a friend in Florida
Freddy why would he be just sitting at Jorans appartment when the three went out
was he under age, getting ready to tape a home made movie,
Why would he stay home at Joran's appartment?
 We need a thread for FACTS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 12:42:37 PM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 12:43:34 PM
PVDS framing Freddy-didn't work.....waltzed away-without his lineage

So if Paulus was framing Freddy, who was the alibi playing for, if not the Sloots?


Simian and Shango...do not confuse them!!  I am getting irritated here... :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 12:46:50 PM

Sanders and his dad were on the boat Fact
Koen was visiting a friend in Florida
Freddy why would he be just sitting at Jorans appartment when the three went out
was he under age, getting ready to tape a home made movie,
Why would he stay home at Joran's appartment?
 We need a thread for FACTS


Yes, Blonde we do..this is the code talkers forum and so we can play with the facts a little...much to the dismay of many people.  Do you have anything to substantiate that Koen was in Florida?  I agree, the only reason Freddy is at Joran's is to film something...heck, his own mother lived just around the corner.  Besides, it seems to me that Freddy is a bit too old for sleepovers.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 12:51:52 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 01:01:26 PM
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD





Speaking of conjecture...did anyone understand this at all?  I am so lost...what is that DTKM guy's real name and how in the heck do you pronounce it?  Caps help me here to understand some of this. The part about Patrick...was that just used as an example or do you think that is true?  Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
Mum,
A while back you had a great chart identifying who was who in Shango.  Would you please post that again.  Things have been changing so fast lately and I just want to make sure that I have it right.  Thanks a bunch.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 01:06:45 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.

I'm bad sorry "The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat. "<PROCES - VERBAAL >

He did NOT say his father was going to be with him.
So Sanders had this boat out alone? doesn't make sence to me , noone in that pimp club does anything alone.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 06, 2008, 01:23:31 PM
Mum,
A while back you had a great chart identifying who was who in Shango.  Would you please post that again.  Things have been changing so fast lately and I just want to make sure that I have it right.  Thanks a bunch.
SS this is a chart that I asked about not long ago and was told it was close to right... ::MonkeyConfused::



THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

 

Note: Shango says three things frequently enough that I think it more efficient to provide one translation here to use afterward:

 

I must (go) feed the messengers

Either Shango has sources of his own he has to confer with (my guess), or he is leaking information to the media or elsewhere as well.

 

The gods are talking

Refers to ongoing communiquÈs between the Aruban government, the Netehrlands, the U.S., etc.

 

Light the fires!

The day of charges/trial/conviction are approaching.

 

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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190

 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 01:36:25 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.

I'm bad sorry "The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat. "<PROCES - VERBAAL >

He did NOT say his father was going to be with him.
So Sanders had this boat out alone? doesn't make sence to me , noone in that pimp club does anything alone.


Darn it!!  I was hoping you had something there...well there goes that theory.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 01:38:23 PM
Mum,
A while back you had a great chart identifying who was who in Shango.  Would you please post that again.  Things have been changing so fast lately and I just want to make sure that I have it right.  Thanks a bunch.
SS this is a chart that I asked about not long ago and was told it was close to right... ::MonkeyConfused::



THE KEY:

Here's a list of what the code means, as interpreted by myself and other scaredmonkey bloggers; together we agreed enough to come up with this. This is all interpretation and speculation--these aren't necessarily my opinions; I'm just interpreting what I think Shango is saying. Others may see things differently, or dismiss this as a hoax. I think this is all too real.


*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is hereÖ
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the islandís businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism
*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; doing X is called ërollingí
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Nataleeís real killers (or those responsible for her death)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

 

Note: Shango says three things frequently enough that I think it more efficient to provide one translation here to use afterward:

 

I must (go) feed the messengers

Either Shango has sources of his own he has to confer with (my guess), or he is leaking information to the media or elsewhere as well.

 

The gods are talking

Refers to ongoing communiquÈs between the Aruban government, the Netehrlands, the U.S., etc.

 

Light the fires!

The day of charges/trial/conviction are approaching.

 

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1190

 



Please keep in mind that is just one of many of these scattered all over the net.  This one was used by the code talkers here...but it was not authorized by Shango himself.  There are many that will dispute some of those references...not saying it's me...just saying.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 01:38:57 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 01:43:33 PM
Thanks ladies.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 01:53:48 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::

If true what does that say about Paulus?  Never mind we know he's a jerk anyway.  Maybe the better question is...what connections does Lorenzo have that would allow Paulus to put Joran in the position of being the scapegoat for Lorenzo?  OK.  I just confused myself again... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 01:55:45 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.

Just an interjection here regarding the boat issue. The boat launch near the fishermans huts is just that just a launch. If anyone knows differently please correct me. Cars/trucks drive up and launch theri boats from trailers into the water. Sanders wouldn't even have been legally old enough to drive the boat there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 01:59:30 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.

Just an interjection here regarding the boat issue. The boat launch near the fishermans huts is just that just a launch. If anyone knows differently please correct me. Cars/trucks drive up and launch theri boats from trailers into the water. Sanders wouldn't even have been legally old enough to drive the boat there.

Now when does the word legal mean anything in Aruba?   :roll:   How could Sander take the boat out without driving it there?  Was it docked at a pier?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 02:07:32 PM
What if Lorenzo is being controlled by the big drug lords like the D prosecutor that we can't spell, Posner, and heaven only knows who else in Miami, Holland, Chicgo, or Colombia.  Maybe in return for Joran being the scapegoat they will guarantee that the kid will never be convicted and they will pay lots of money to the Sloots.  I'm just thinking outloud.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 02:10:06 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.

Just an interjection here regarding the boat issue. The boat launch near the fishermans huts is just that just a launch. If anyone knows differently please correct me. Cars/trucks drive up and launch theri boats from trailers into the water. Sanders wouldn't even have been legally old enough to drive the boat there.

Now when does the word legal mean anything in Aruba?   :roll:  How could Sander take the boat out without driving it there?  Was it docked at a pier?

in front of the hotels and rumor has it Koen Gottenbos had his boat parked there. ...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 02:13:25 PM
DEUTEKOM ....lol

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 02:14:41 PM
Oops!  Forgot one more question....I know Sander was taking his boat out.  Never heard about his father being there too...that makes me think about a whole bunch more things if that is true.

Just an interjection here regarding the boat issue. The boat launch near the fishermans huts is just that just a launch. If anyone knows differently please correct me. Cars/trucks drive up and launch their boats from trailers into the water. Sanders wouldn't even have been legally old enough to drive the boat there.

Now when does the word legal mean anything in Aruba?   :roll:   How could Sander take the boat out without driving it there?  Was it docked at a pier?


Very very true legal is not significant especially when we are talking about possibly dumping a person in the ocean. But if this were not something he would have normally done, launch the boat i mean, then probably wouldn't have gone alone this time either , just a guess. By the fishermans huts there is no pier. You would back the boat into the water and take it off the trailer and then take it out and take it home. We have seen the pics with the boat on the trailer next to the gottenbos house.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 02:22:02 PM
DEUTEKOM ....lol

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.




Well the above tells me that ALE knew someone was doing some driving that night and they wanted to know who it was and what they were driving.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 02:23:30 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Cars%20Boats/koenboat2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
Fishermans boats anchored in water.
http://www.hammocktree.us/ms/Aruba05/boats_s.jpg

No piers visible.
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg

View from the huts to the marriott /HI.
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/looking_southriehlworldview.jpg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 02:28:24 PM
Actually I take it back there are some boats infront of the marriott. I don't know for who's use those are. But infront of fishermans huts and down near the pond nothing. Do you see the ones I mean?
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 02:32:26 PM
DEUTEKOM ....lol

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.




Well the above tells me that ALE knew someone was doing some driving that night and they wanted to know who it was and what they were driving.

Yep, no disagreement here. Just don't know about the boat launching scenario.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 02:43:52 PM
Actually I take it back there are some boats infront of the marriott. I don't know for who's use those are. But infront of fishermans huts and down near the pond nothing. Do you see the ones I mean?
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg

OK we know Sanders was out on the boat that night we know he keeps his Dad's boat home by the house.

Here is boats docked my Marriott
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Cars%20Boats/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 02:46:14 PM
Actually I take it back there are some boats infront of the marriott. I don't know for who's use those are. But infront of fishermans huts and down near the pond nothing. Do you see the ones I mean?
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg

OK we know Sanders was out on the boat that night we know he keeps his Dad's boat home by the house.

Here is boats docked my Marriott
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Cars%20Boats/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg)

Do we know he was out on the boat that night?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 06, 2008, 02:47:32 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 06, 2008, 03:06:15 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

I've seen Dilma on TV.  The picture posted, if it is Max Arends and his family, did not have the Dilma, I saw, in it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 03:08:16 PM
Good day Monkeys,

Paules van der Sloot worked or Joined Join Antonio Carlo house of legel business,

Question?

for which house of legal business or business partner did Paules v/d Sloot worked, for before joining Antonio Carlo.

this will give the "arawaks"

Research is on going.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 06, 2008, 03:29:18 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

I've seen Dilma on TV.  The picture posted, if it is Max Arends and his family, did not have the Dilma, I saw, in it.
Thanks, Buckeye. I believe his mom's name is Vanessa.

Max with Opa: Myspace Picture Link (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=244626398&albumID=656239&imageID=3398477)

Opa's birthday party, Bibi y Vanessa Arends listed under pic here: http://happy90opa.com/index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 03:49:35 PM
Actually I take it back there are some boats infront of the marriott. I don't know for who's use those are. But infront of fishermans huts and down near the pond nothing. Do you see the ones I mean?
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg

OK we know Sanders was out on the boat that night we know he keeps his Dad's boat home by the house.

Here is boats docked my Marriott
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Cars%20Boats/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg)

Do we know he was out on the boat that night?


YES Sanders was <snip>
On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following;
I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following;
The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following:
It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 06, 2008, 03:55:43 PM
Good day Monkeys,

Paules van der Sloot worked or Joined Join Antonio Carlo house of legel business,

Question?

for which house of legal business or business partner did Paules v/d Sloot worked, for before joining Antonio Carlo.

this will give the "arawaks"

Research is on going.[/b]


quotes from Paulus, these are from the translated transcript of the NOVA TV interview, in Dutch:

T: Which function do you have here at the island? Because many storys go around about that. What is your function?

P: I am replacing a member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and I am appointed for a period of three years, from 1/1/2003 till 1/12006.

T: So, you are replacement judge?

P: Yes

T: Do you know the people very well, for example the people here from the public prosecutors office that ordered your detention?

P: Yes for sure, because before that I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

T: So you also know the current prosecutor general?

P: Yes

T: Mrs Croes

P: Yes

T: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

P: That gives a feeling of absurdity, it is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

T: Who was that in your case?

P: That were, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissionars.

T: Jan van der Straaten

P: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

T: And you know each other very well?

P: Yes

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=298327#298327




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
Good day Monkeys,

Paules van der Sloot worked or Joined Join Antonio Carlo house of legel business,

Question?

for which house of legal business or business partner did Paules v/d Sloot worked, for before joining Antonio Carlo.

this will give the "arawaks"

Research is on going.[/b]


quotes from Paulus, these are from the translated transcript of the NOVA TV interview, in Dutch:

T: Which function do you have here at the island? Because many storys go around about that. What is your function?

P: I am replacing a member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and I am appointed for a period of three years, from 1/1/2003 till 1/12006.

T: So, you are replacement judge?

P: Yes

T: Do you know the people very well, for example the people here from the public prosecutors office that ordered your detention?

P: Yes for sure, because before that I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

T: So you also know the current prosecutor general?

P: Yes

T: Mrs Croes  

P: Yes

T: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

P: That gives a feeling of absurdity, it is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

T: Who was that in your case?

P: That were, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissionars.

T: Jan van der Straaten  

P: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

T: And you know each other very well?

P: Yes

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=298327#298327




Thanks , It is a woman the "arawaks"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 04:15:03 PM
Good day Monkeys,

Paules van der Sloot worked or Joined Join Antonio Carlo house of legel business,

Question?

for which house of legal business or business partner did Paules v/d Sloot worked, for before joining Antonio Carlo.

this will give the "arawaks"

Research is on going.[/b]


quotes from Paulus, these are from the translated transcript of the NOVA TV interview, in Dutch:

T: Which function do you have here at the island? Because many storys go around about that. What is your function?

P: I am replacing a member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba and I am appointed for a period of three years, from 1/1/2003 till 1/12006.

T: So, you are replacement judge?

P: Yes

T: Do you know the people very well, for example the people here from the public prosecutors office that ordered your detention?

P: Yes for sure, because before that I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.

T: So you also know the current prosecutor general?

P: Yes

T: Mrs Croes  

P: Yes

T: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

P: That gives a feeling of absurdity, it is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

T: Who was that in your case?

P: That were, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissionars.  

T: Jan van der Straaten  

P: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

T: And you know each other very well?

P: Yes

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=298327#298327




Thanks , It is a woman the "arawaks"
No no no, it is Jan van straten that he worked for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 04:26:29 PM
no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 06, 2008, 04:56:41 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

I've seen Dilma on TV.  The picture posted, if it is Max Arends and his family, did not have the Dilma, I saw, in it.
Thanks, Buckeye. I believe his mom's name is Vanessa.

Max with Opa: Myspace Picture Link (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=244626398&albumID=656239&imageID=3398477)

Opa's birthday party, Bibi y Vanessa Arends listed under pic here: http://happy90opa.com/index.html


Dilma and John Eloy Arends

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2nsqt.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 05:02:35 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::


close-who did JVDS switch places with?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 05:05:00 PM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL


were they telling two completely different stories?   :2brickwall:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 05:09:01 PM
DEUTEKOM ....lol

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.





Who's was the older blue Toyota the media chased PVDS into? I noticed an older blue Toyota in the story told by the Miraclist I'd seen posted a while back. Come to think of it, may also have been a few shivas in that story as well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 06, 2008, 05:21:15 PM
Mum do you mean these?


from RWV #123 Natalee Holloway Chat

i saw him that saturday that's why, that was the 29th, but it's the 30th right? ...
i was just sitting around and remembered that :$ and i asked which casino because where
i saw him is very close to a casino, but the Seaport casino.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:17 AM

i know for sure i saw him that saturday, i can swear upon it, i had a party to go to on
28th and next day i went to the movies where i saw him. i'm really sorry , i don't remember
the time, but it was before 12am for sure.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:24 AM
________________________________________________________________________________________
but Dan i SWEAR i saw him , he was standing alone leaning against a pilar.

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:26 AM
_______________________________________________________________________________________
man i'm confused :( i saw him the next day, the day after the party, and i know it was
the 28th (the party)

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:27 AM
_________________________________________________________________________________________
wait no... thank goodness for being as big of a girly girl as i am Daisy Smile ... i wrote down
the party and the movies because the movies was the first time me and my curent boyfriend
kissed :$ ... so i know for sure now.. i saw him the 29th! and before 12am. ... sorry guys,
don't get mad at me for being wrong ta first...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:33 AM
________________________________________________________________________________________
sorry :S ... it was on a saturday.. so you guys tell me which date then :$

and rock pier??? where's that?? is that the one next to the phoenix hotel??

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:38 AM
_________________________________________________________________________________________
Dan - i know my seeing him has no impact whatsoever. it was the first time i haven;t said
hi to him at all because of his face _expression and me being with someone else.... so i;m
sorry for not helping with any facts. but i asked for personal reasons :$ ... and no i
really don't have feelings for him anymore...

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 02:51 AM
___________________________________________________________________________________
nonono annie... i didn't see him at the casino ... you see the casino is very VERY near,
like turning the corner on that shop and crossing the road... i saw him standing against a
pillar alone... but i didn't say hi to him since when he saw me his face turned into a
''hurt'' face, i thought it might be me walking with my now-boyfriend ... but that happened
Downtown... near carlos and charlies? yes... 3 min away by car maybe? i've walked it in
about 10 ??

Posted by: Melody | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 03:00 AM


(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/923/theaterarubaij2.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
Kermit!!  Hey there!  Please explain to me how you found out about Freddy's apartment at 7A Catiri....please!  Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 05:40:07 PM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL


were they telling two completely different stories?   :2brickwall:

What do you think?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 05:41:32 PM
no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes



Perhaps you could explain why you have so many people that you are referring to as Arawaks....why isn't it just one definition for that term?  Why would Shango change the rules as he went along...how would anyone understand him if he did that?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 06, 2008, 05:43:20 PM
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7831/image476qo6.jpg)
Pictured cutting the cake in the center are Editor-in-Chief Julia Renfro and General
Manager Grace Mary Maduro. Enjoying the celebration in the pictures include International
Editor Richard Brooks, Page Designer Dina Maria, Reporter Angela Munzenhofer, Aruba
Hoy Editor Benjamin Romero, Contributing Editors Annalisa Gesterkamp, Dilma Arends,
Tito Lacle and Photographer Lutico Hermans. Publisher John Chemaly Sr. and Managing Director John Chemaly Jr. would like to take this opportunity to thank the staff of Aruba Today for their hard work and dedication to Aruba’s largest English newspaper.
Photos by Debby Kelly


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 06, 2008, 05:44:49 PM
Kermit!!  Hey there!  Please explain to me how you found out about Freddy's apartment at 7A Catiri....please!  Thanks.

Only if you put me on a stool with a bright white light bulb and you are with the Feds, then I'll squeal like a pig!

 ::MonkeyCool:: Don't you think I look like Eric Williams in these glasses? Heh Heh.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 05:45:57 PM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL


were they telling two completely different stories?   :2brickwall:

What do you think?


I agree-you may be confused 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 06:00:56 PM
Kermit!!  Hey there!  Please explain to me how you found out about Freddy's apartment at 7A Catiri....please!  Thanks.

Only if you put me on a stool with a bright white light bulb and you are with the Feds, then I'll squeal like a pig!

 ::MonkeyCool:: Don't you think I look like Eric Williams in these glasses? Heh Heh.




LMAO!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 06, 2008, 06:00:59 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.

I've seen Dilma on TV.  The picture posted, if it is Max Arends and his family, did not have the Dilma, I saw, in it.
Thanks, Buckeye. I believe his mom's name is Vanessa.

Max with Opa: Myspace Picture Link (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=244626398&albumID=656239&imageID=3398477)

Opa's birthday party, Bibi y Vanessa Arends listed under pic here: http://happy90opa.com/index.html


Dilma and John Eloy Arends

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2nsqt.jpg)

Thanks, Pita.

Father of Max = "Bibi" Maximiliano Francisco Arends 

Husband of Dilma = John Eloy Maximilian Arends
Link (http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=11942)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 06, 2008, 06:03:37 PM
Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 06:03:43 PM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL


were they telling two completely different stories?   :2brickwall:

What do you think?


I agree-you may be confused 


Actually, I didn't say they were different...I was simply pointing out that you were mixing the verses is all.  Stop banging you head on that wall...you will get a bruise.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 06:04:55 PM
Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

So how did Mum come to that conclusion?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 06, 2008, 06:15:43 PM
Actually I take it back there are some boats infront of the marriott. I don't know for who's use those are. But infront of fishermans huts and down near the pond nothing. Do you see the ones I mean?
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/photos/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg

OK we know Sanders was out on the boat that night we know he keeps his Dad's boat home by the house.

Here is boats docked my Marriott
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Cars%20Boats/marriotbeachaerialh.jpg)

Do we know he was out on the boat that night?


YES Sanders was <snip>
On your question if I had contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, I tell you the following;
I had telephone contact with Joran on May 29, 2005, this was around 11.00.

On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following;
The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

On your question what kind of boat my father has, I will explain to you the following:
It is a speedboat, of the make "Sea Pro".


It would seem to me to mean he was thinking[/b] about going out on his fathers boat. It sounds like yes indeed he was trying to get together with someone who wanted to go out on the boat with him. JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 06:25:04 PM
Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

So how did Mum come to that conclusion?



Angelaberdine..back on page 67…Sorry!!!

Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up? Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.


Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM

No, they are not two different people. Same one. Dilma's. Works with Scubajap at Bon Dia,
best friend of Jaime (a/k/a Lorenzo).

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:31 AM


Dilma works at Bon Dia with Scubajap. Newspaper owned by the same frizzy head that owns
Aruba Today.

OK. I am outta here because I got this information from some Mountain Brook people. You
know those lying, drunks we talk about on here.

I am outta here, going back to Mountain Brook tomorrow to visit with some more liars, my
kids and grandkids.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:45 AM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 06:32:36 PM
Thanks Pita and vms.  I thought I was losing it. Dilma is not Max's mom.

So how did Mum come to that conclusion?



Angelaberdine..back on page 67…Sorry!!!

Snuff film. They killed her during sex. Max Arends, Lorenzo, Kalpoe 1 and Joran were
involved, but Joran left. He could not handle it. Holiday Inn

Lorenzo is Jaime. Max is in Florida according to Scubajap with his dad. Dilmo send him to
Florida because it was heating up?
Watch Scubajap. May get you in a trap.


Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:11 AM

No, they are not two different people. Same one. Dilma's. Works with Scubajap at Bon Dia,
best friend of Jaime (a/k/a Lorenzo).

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:31 AM


Dilma works at Bon Dia with Scubajap. Newspaper owned by the same frizzy head that owns
Aruba Today.

OK. I am outta here because I got this information from some Mountain Brook people. You
know those lying, drunks we talk about on here.

I am outta here, going back to Mountain Brook tomorrow to visit with some more liars, my
kids and grandkids.

Posted by: angelaberdine | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:45 AM


Well, once again confusion reigns. LOL  Is anything ever cut and dried in this case?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 06:34:47 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.


Vanessa?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 06:37:27 PM
no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes



What clue leads you to it being a woman?  Just curious.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 06:41:46 PM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL


were they telling two completely different stories?   :2brickwall:

What do you think?


I agree-you may be confused 


Actually, I didn't say they were different...I was simply pointing out that you were mixing the verses is all.  Stop banging you head on that wall...you will get a bruise.


or a broken wall



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 06:58:23 PM
no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes




Is Theresa Croes also related to Rudy, Hendrick and Steve?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 07:10:36 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::


close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 07:57:01 PM
no van straten do not fit the arawaks but Mrs. croes does.

So finally it is mrs croes




Is Theresa Croes also related to Rudy, Hendrick and Steve?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Have we ever confirmed that Steve is related to any of the above?  I mean as in close relative. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 08:11:29 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.


Vanessa?


Remember something about a Vanessa!...Reminder please...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 08:29:52 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::


close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


he doesn't want to let the old man down


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 08:40:34 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 




who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::


close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


he doesn't want to let the old man down


Colombo, you are talking Klaas and I in circles.   ::MonkeyConfused::  Joran switched places with Paulas, Lorenzo, or Valentjin????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 08:50:42 PM
Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 6:57 pm
The phone call made in the small hours.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
People…the bloodied, swollen tongue. The boy’s fear runs deep.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 06, 2008, 09:01:44 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

**********

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


**********

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 06, 2008, 09:02:59 PM
.......doesn't want to let the old man down
Are you saying Joran is taking the rap for his dad? 


who switched places



Is Joran taking the rap for Lorenzo? ::MonkeyConfused::


close-who did JVDS switch places with?

If it isn't Joran or Lorenzo, the it had to be Valentjin.  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


he doesn't want to let the old man down
Van der Stratten


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 09:07:57 PM
And Dilma is Max's Mom!!!!  Go figure!!

FWIW, the name Vanessa is listed on the Lion's Club Roster as the lioness for Bibi Arends.
I have Dilma's husband as John Eloy Arends.


Vanessa?


Remember something about a Vanessa!...Reminder please...TIA

Vanessa was a FP poster that morphed into another poster and so forth.  Doesn't mean that this is our Shango....uh...I mean Vanessa.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 09:10:16 PM
OOPS!  Sorry, I meant our Shockthemonkey...uh...our Simian...er....Checkme...oh nevermind.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 06, 2008, 09:12:15 PM
OOPS!  Sorry, I meant our Shockthemonkey...uh...our Simian...er....Checkme...oh nevermind.  ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 09:24:12 PM
Mum
How did you miss this? 

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Freddy what?

(LAUGHTER)

FAULKNER: Zedan Arambatzis.

GRACE: OK.

FAULKNER: ZA. So we were able to confirm that. "A Current Affair" talked with his attorney earlier today to see why he might have been picked up on the same day with the Kalpoe brothers. Because you remember on Friday, Nancy, really, all the way through the weekend, there was a lot of speculation on whether or not he had anything to even do with Natalee Holloway`s case.

I`ll tell you the big connection. He`s very good friends with Joran Van Der Sloot. In fact, "A Current Affair" has some exclusive photos of the two of them together. But meanwhile, his attorney is saying, however, that he was picked up on a different charge, a different case, not related to Natalee Holloway. We`ll have to see how that plays out. That`s thing number one.

Thing number two, that party boat deejay, remember Steven Croes?

GRACE: Yes.

FAULKNER: Well, a camera crew spotted him coming out of the police station today, thought maybe he`d been re-arrested. Apparently he told the camera crew, no, I just went to pick a few things up. However, "A Current Affair" got a call from his mother earlier today saying she was concerned that her son might have been re-arrested. So we`re still working to see what the plan is there.

I thought he`d been exonerated. "A Current Affair" was the only station to talk with him, the only network to talk with him when he got out of prison the first time he was arrested. He told me on camera, Harris, I`ve been exonerated, I have no reason to think I`ll be a further suspect in this case. That was over a month ago.

Back at the police station, Nancy, we`re not quite sure why. He says he`s picking something up. His mom says she`s worried.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 09:27:49 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

**********

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


**********

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.




I take this to mean that Steve Croes is not related to either Rudy or Hendrick, correct? Maybe? Hopefully? Kinda..sorta...maybe?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 10:02:16 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

**********

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


**********

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.




I take this to mean that Steve Croes is not related to either Rudy or Hendrick, correct? Maybe? Hopefully? Kinda..sorta...maybe?


I can't prove it.  I had read that Steve was connected to an unnamed official on Aruba.  I had also read that his father had been a judge on Curacao.  He is divorced and he had a two year old.  He was living with his grandparents and the woman next door (married to Rufo Solagnier) was his aunt.  I can't see the youngest two generations in most genealogist charts because they are still living, so I can't give you names or any specific information.  Someone would have to get that from the courthouse in Oranjestadt.  Both Finbar and CAPS took us to the genealogy chart of a cetain AG.  Rudy and Hendrick are supposed to be on a specific branch of that tree.  I have also wondered and asked several times if there could possible be a third brother.  CAPS said specifically that Steve is actually Hendrick, Jr.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 06, 2008, 10:10:15 PM
Mum
How did you miss this? 

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Freddy what?

(LAUGHTER)

FAULKNER: Zedan Arambatzis.

GRACE: OK.

FAULKNER: ZA. So we were able to confirm that. "A Current Affair" talked with his attorney earlier today to see why he might have been picked up on the same day with the Kalpoe brothers. Because you remember on Friday, Nancy, really, all the way through the weekend, there was a lot of speculation on whether or not he had anything to even do with Natalee Holloway`s case.

I`ll tell you the big connection. He`s very good friends with Joran Van Der Sloot. In fact, "A Current Affair" has some exclusive photos of the two of them together. But meanwhile, his attorney is saying, however, that he was picked up on a different charge, a different case, not related to Natalee Holloway. We`ll have to see how that plays out. That`s thing number one.

Thing number two, that party boat deejay, remember Steven Croes?

GRACE: Yes.

FAULKNER: Well, a camera crew spotted him coming out of the police station today, thought maybe he`d been re-arrested. Apparently he told the camera crew, no, I just went to pick a few things up. However, "A Current Affair" got a call from his mother earlier today saying she was concerned that her son might have been re-arrested. So we`re still working to see what the plan is there.

I thought he`d been exonerated. "A Current Affair" was the only station to talk with him, the only network to talk with him when he got out of prison the first time he was arrested. He told me on camera, Harris, I`ve been exonerated, I have no reason to think I`ll be a further suspect in this case. That was over a month ago.

Back at the police station, Nancy, we`re not quite sure why. He says he`s picking something up. His mom says she`s worried.




in August?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:12:50 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160759,00.html
From this link, Steve Croes' mother is Imelda Stacia-Soliana.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Same link:
"I think they're trying to put some acts of pressure on the son," Justice Minister Rudy Croes, who is unrelated to the detained boat worker, told Geraldo Rivera in an exclusive interview.

**********

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html
The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.


**********

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html
Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.




I take this to mean that Steve Croes is not related to either Rudy or Hendrick, correct? Maybe? Hopefully? Kinda..sorta...maybe?


I can't prove it.  I had read that Steve was connected to an unnamed official on Aruba.  I had also read that his father had been a judge on Curacao.  He is divorced and he had a two year old.  He was living with his grandparents and the woman next door (married to Rufo Solagnier) was his aunt.  I can't see the youngest two generations in most genealogist charts because they are still living, so I can't give you names or any specific information.  Someone would have to get that from the courthouse in Oranjestadt.  Both Finbar and CAPS took us to the genealogy chart of a cetain AG.  Rudy and Hendrick are supposed to be on a specific branch of that tree.  I have also wondered and asked several times if there could possible be a third brother.  CAPS said specifically that Steve is actually Hendrick, Jr.


SS…You must have missed it the other day…Big Brother…Betico…see Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:22:11 PM
Mum
How did you miss this? 

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? Freddy what?

(LAUGHTER)

FAULKNER: Zedan Arambatzis.

GRACE: OK.

FAULKNER: ZA. So we were able to confirm that. "A Current Affair" talked with his attorney earlier today to see why he might have been picked up on the same day with the Kalpoe brothers. Because you remember on Friday, Nancy, really, all the way through the weekend, there was a lot of speculation on whether or not he had anything to even do with Natalee Holloway`s case.

I`ll tell you the big connection. He`s very good friends with Joran Van Der Sloot. In fact, "A Current Affair" has some exclusive photos of the two of them together. But meanwhile, his attorney is saying, however, that he was picked up on a different charge, a different case, not related to Natalee Holloway. We`ll have to see how that plays out. That`s thing number one.

Thing number two, that party boat deejay, remember Steven Croes?

GRACE: Yes.

FAULKNER: Well, a camera crew spotted him coming out of the police station today, thought maybe he`d been re-arrested. Apparently he told the camera crew, no, I just went to pick a few things up. However, "A Current Affair" got a call from his mother earlier today saying she was concerned that her son might have been re-arrested. So we`re still working to see what the plan is there.

I thought he`d been exonerated. "A Current Affair" was the only station to talk with him, the only network to talk with him when he got out of prison the first time he was arrested. He told me on camera, Harris, I`ve been exonerated, I have no reason to think I`ll be a further suspect in this case. That was over a month ago.

Back at the police station, Nancy, we`re not quite sure why. He says he`s picking something up. His mom says she`s worried.




Steve lied!

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Kalpoes 8 or 9 statements between them during that short stint in jail….don’t see any for Freddy and why did they release him secretly out the back door?   

Did I miss something else?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 10:34:26 PM
Well, poor little Steve got the shaft by his well to do family then...because I do not believe he would be the son of a judge...offficial or whatever and be living like he does.  He is more the common man on Aruba than the Kalpoes.  I can't for the life of me see this being true without proof and as of now...I am still waiting to see it.  Don't get me wrong, I have read the rumors too...just nothing substantiated.  I would love for this to be true...but I certainly would ask for a bigger and better home if my daddy was important.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 10:51:17 PM
Caps…


Is 7A Catiri near the Racquet Club, please?

Steakhouse...Which one….Who…Joran or Paulus?

Bigwig….Zeolla?…deVeer?…..or Bill Jr????

TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 11:11:22 PM
Caps
Could you elaborate on Steve Croes identity, please.  I want proof that he is Hendrick, Jr.    This could be important...we need to find this out for sure.  Why does he live with his grandmother?  Why is he in Aruba and not where his parents are? Why do I even bother?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 11:21:11 PM
Caps
Could you elaborate on Steve Croes identity, please.  I want proof that he is Hendrick, Jr.    This could be important...we need to find this out for sure.  Why does he live with his grandmother?  Why is he in Aruba and not where his parents are? Why do I even bother?  :roll:

Check this for all of us

Where are the Children of Rudy Croes.

Find the children...BTW Rudy Croes like making movies

Find the Children

Back to decoding


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 11:22:19 PM
LaLa, This is how CAPS led us to Steve.  It evolved as most of his information does, and he finally said Hendrick Croes, Jr. and moved on to the dicemen and Lorenzo.  This ironically is the same family tree that Finbar led us to when he said we would find an ex-monkey (AG) and the 5th.  Finbar then jumped back in an made a comment about Hendrick and the earlobes.  I have not seen any absolute factual anything that makes Steve=Hendrick, Jr. I decded to finally just go with Finbar and CAPS.   This is some hot family tree.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Quote from: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 08:42:49 PM
Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 

CAPS
I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.



Quote from: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: SS on April 03, 2008, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: texasmom on April 03, 2008, 07:25:26 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 07:07:50 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on April 03, 2008, 05:21:28 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 05:06:17 PM
before I replay to the Lordship,

Who was the speaker of the Prosecuter office on that day in question

Need a name


If by the day in question, you mean the day Natalee disappeared, then I want to say Marianne Croes, but I will bow to others who may have better memories and records to back it up.


She is "The Gods"

and "the gods" are "USA NEWS MEDIA)

and many gods are "INTERNATIONAL NEWS MEDIA"

The gods are done for



Sorry Finn…I am still looking for this link…Marianne Croes...You may have better luck than me!


If this is correct, she must have come in after March of 2005, still checking.....
http://www.infoplease.com/world/leaders/aruba.htmlAruba
Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Foreign Governments
Date of Information: 3/2/2005

 

Governor Fredis REFENJOL
Prime Minister Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Education Fredis REFENJOL
Min. of Finance & Economic Affairs Nilo SWAEN
Min. of General Affairs & Utilities Nelson ODUBER
Min. of Justice Rudy CROES
Min. of Public Health Booshi WEVER
Min. of Public Works Marisol TROMP
Min. of Sports, Culture, & Labor Ramon LEE
Min. of Tourism & Transportation Eddy BRIESEN
Attorney General Ruud ROSINGH
Pres., Central Bank A.R. CARAM 



Steve Croes is related to who ?

Steve Croes work for who.???... whos is pulling his strings ---An office or a Person




SS

CAPS,

We went around and around over Steve Croes a few weeks ago.  He lives with his grandparents.  His mother's name is Imolda Statia Saliana.  His aunt and uncle live next door to his grandparents.  He is related through the aunt.  The uncle's name is Rufo Solognier.  I have read rumors that his father might be a judicial figure on Curacao.  I don't think any of us have figured out why he came forward to lie for the Kalpoes.  He was supposed to be working on the Tatoo that night, but witnesses have reportedly placed him at C&Cs.  Some think that he is Daury because he had access to Tatoo and the smaller water taxi that services Tatoo.  Croes did lose his job after he was arrested and reportedly he eventually worked at C&Cs.  A few of us tried to figure out who he is related to, but there are so many Croes that we have been able to narrow the search.  Finbar wanted us to take a good look at Steve Croes as the 5th suspect.  Supposedly his earlobes will be a hint as to who he is related to. 


TEXASMOM
SS,
I was totally on the same page as to who Finbar was leading us to until I saw this:

VAN CROMVOIRT, WILHELMUS BERNARDUS HENRIQUEZ PETRUS PAULUS
 
Haven't we seen that name somewhere?  See if you can find anything......



SS
I found four people who could be possible connections to our DJ.  They were Theresa Croes-Fernandez, Rudy Croes. Hendrik Croes, or the Croes from the Croes and Wever law firm. I also found something a while back which was also a connection to the name Henriquez.  Finbar had told us to look for the grandmother and if I recall, I don't think  that we ever identified her.  There was a Maria Regina Croes (12/30/1906 - 8/9/1991).  I have this woman as a mother of Ellen Henriquez who was born 11/21/1943.  I wondered at the time if this woman was the maternal grandmother.  This would be an Henriques connection. I also found an Inoivia Beltranda Croes (11/10/1904 - 8/4/1979).  Her son was a Jacobo Alders who was born 9/2/1939.  I suspected that this was a possible paternal grandmother.  Because of what Finbar was trying to tell us, I have to feel that he shares a common grandmother with someone important.  I have suspected Rudy Croes.  And, they both have earlobes that curl. 
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 08:42:49 PM
Quote Caps…

all keys Sofar are working perfectly and fits based on research and who is pulling the string


THE USA NEWS MEDIA) know that the blame lies on (.....)

Question who did the the USA NEWS MEDIA blame for this problem in 2005

Caps…I really don’t mean to be a wet sock, but how can you say something is working when you have not verified the answer to the first question and have moved on two more steps.

You are now on Steve Croes and we don’t even know that Marianne Croes two pages back is right. It appears it is not!

It is almost as though you have the answer and are making it fit!

I am sorry you have totally lost me here, and I am going back to my own logic. Not the boo..whatever computer logic!
 

CAPS
I have and I am building a relationship table also.

without this relationship table  you can not climb over the other wall

Steve croes come in to the pricture and is link to Paules van der Sloot and not Joran,  When Beth come to Aruba, they did not want beth to see Steve Croes

When Babalu have discover DH  few minutes later they have discover Steve Croes.


MUM
SS...Help here please...I thought the Croes from the Wever Croes Tchong (sp...it's late for me) lawfirm was Hendrick Croes, Rudy's brother!



SS
Yes Mum, you are correct.  I checked my notes and didn't see the arrow that I had made.  Hendrick Croes is in the lawfirm and he is Rudy's brother. 

The genealogy search gets very difficult for people who are currently alive.  Most genealogy databases do not give the full names of living people in order to protect their identity.  This is why I can't make the connections for current generations.  There are so many Croes people running around on that island.

Quote from: MumInOhio on April 03, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
SS...Thanks...I was hoping there was not two Hendrik Croes! I am not very good at following any of it...


CAPS
Let iit roll klaas

The Diceman is link to Steve Croes, and steve Croes is link to Puales V/D Sloot

to go to these parties, the diceman must be invited by steve croes. (Now who is this SOB), Maybe Hendrick Croes Jr. or who.



SS
CAPS - Are you saying the Steve Croes' correct name is Hendrick Severino Croes?
If so, then Finbar was giving us the correct tip
and his great grandparents would have been Ezau Henriquez and Maria Regina Croes.  Their daughter, Ellen Henriquez, would have had a daughter named Imolda who married someone named Croes - Rudy, Hendrick, or an additional brother.  Which one is Dirty Hand?


Finbar
Henriquez

Fed the messengers(not the god with the misspelled name)


The ear lobes were just an observation.


Fin



Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 04, 2008, 12:15:20 AM
Quote from: SS on April 03, 2008, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 03, 2008, 11:36:48 PM
Hold on to the tought of Guido the diceman and Steve Croes.
Snago says:  paul sing because he can sing any song.. We know that, But to sing to save his offspring while hanging Joran do not compute, Which other offspring does Paules have?







Lorenzo


OK last name:?

other key scores




Lorenzo van Rijn


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:26:28 PM
Caps
Could you elaborate on Steve Croes identity, please.  I want proof that he is Hendrick, Jr.    This could be important...we need to find this out for sure.  Why does he live with his grandmother?  Why is he in Aruba and not where his parents are? Why do I even bother?  :roll:

Check this for all of us

Where are the Children of Rudy Croes.

Find the children...BTW Rudy Croes like making movies

Find the Children

Back to decoding


Caps...what about the steakhouse, see post above, please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 06, 2008, 11:33:34 PM
Caps
Could you elaborate on Steve Croes identity, please.  I want proof that he is Hendrick, Jr.    This could be important...we need to find this out for sure.  Why does he live with his grandmother?  Why is he in Aruba and not where his parents are? Why do I even bother?  :roll:

Check this for all of us

Where are the Children of Rudy Croes.

Find the children...BTW Rudy Croes like making movies

Find the Children

Back to decoding


CAPS - How do we find this information?  The people from Aruba aren't going to tell us and we're not there to check the court house records.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:44:01 PM
Caps...

1.Please answer my questions about your post.

2.Who is Mrs Croes Boss?

2. Who in Aruba is immune?

TIA




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 11:46:27 PM
THe person that provided the escord when the 2 shivas left are the black team, Rudy croes children are working for the black team and they where there, they new the girl,

The Young Babylonians are the sons of Rudy Croes.

100% shure... need name. or will skip check with other source.

back to decoding


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 11:49:41 PM
Caps...

1.Please answer my questions about your post.

2.Who is Mrs Croes Boss?

2. Who in Aruba is immune?

TIA

2. Rudy croes ...there is a fight going on. She was prommised her pension and Rudy Croes will not give. she went to the Prime and he said no it is Rudy that needs to do this.. Rudy is imune.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 11:51:36 PM
Not convinced yet. Steve Croes interjected himself with a lie for the Kalpoes...that still must be the dumbest thing on earth I have ever seen...if he is so connected why didn't they tell him before he made a fool of himself.

I understand the implications of that family tree...Steve Croes is related to Rudy...how distant?  Where is his father?  If Steve is Hendrick, Jr. as Caps says...why is he working at all?  Would he not be doing something better?  I don't get it.

Let's say the Steve is the 5th suspect...then where was that party that was at his house.  He lives with his grandmother...no way they partied there.  Sorry, I am being so difficult.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 06, 2008, 11:56:12 PM
Not convinced yet. Steve Croes interjected himself with a lie for the Kalpoes...that still must be the dumbest thing on earth I have ever seen...if he is so connected why didn't they tell him before he made a fool of himself.

I understand the implications of that family tree...Steve Croes is related to Rudy...how distant?  Where is his father?  If Steve is Hendrick, Jr. as Caps says...why is he working at all?  Would he not be doing something better?  I don't get it.

Let's say the Steve is the 5th suspect...then where was that party that was at his house.  He lives with his grandmother...no way they partied there.  Sorry, I am being so difficult.

No the 5th is Rudy croes son

Will get it for you....in 10hr.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 06, 2008, 11:56:57 PM
Caps...

1.Please answer my questions about your post.

2.Who is Mrs Croes Boss?

2. Who in Aruba is immune?

TIA

2. Rudy croes ...there is a fight going on. She was prommised her pension and Rudy Croes will not give. she went to the Prime and he said no it is Rudy that needs to do this.. Rudy is imune.




The Governor is immune....he also helped with the formation of the Government in 2005...the one that Rudy did not have enough votes to hold his job.

Thought Mrs Croes was separate from the Justice Dept. She said that somewhere. Also read somewhere that she was appointed by Holland.

Looks like more research!

Now...the steakhouse and the bigwig...please


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 06, 2008, 11:58:55 PM
THe person that provided the escord when the 2 shivas left are the black team, Rudy croes children are working for the black team and they where there, they new the girl,

The Young Babylonians are the sons of Rudy Croes.

100% shure... need name. or will skip check with other source.

back to decoding


Now, who did you tell us the shivas were?  How many kids does Rudy have? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 12:00:33 AM
Not convinced yet. Steve Croes interjected himself with a lie for the Kalpoes...that still must be the dumbest thing on earth I have ever seen...if he is so connected why didn't they tell him before he made a fool of himself.

I understand the implications of that family tree...Steve Croes is related to Rudy...how distant?  Where is his father?  If Steve is Hendrick, Jr. as Caps says...why is he working at all?  Would he not be doing something better?  I don't get it.

Let's say the Steve is the 5th suspect...then where was that party that was at his house.  He lives with his grandmother...no way they partied there.  Sorry, I am being so difficult.

No the 5th is Rudy croes son

Will get it for you....in 10hr.


OMG!! I am certain I am about to have a total break down!!   :2brickwall: :2brickwall: :2brickwall:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 07, 2008, 12:01:09 AM
waltzed away-without his lineage

needs to sing to preserve his lineage

Please!! Do not confuse Simian with Shango...that makes my head explode and that is not a pretty site...one of my pet peeves there.  Simian waltzed...Shango tangoed. LOL

Lineage can also mean property and holdings.  It is said that Guido left his car, job, and whatever else he left when he took off right after the disappearance of NH.  Guido would sort of waltz away if he is as gay as he claimed to be, perhaps.   Mary Ann Croes is supposed to be kin to him according to what I have read.     Jackb


were they telling two completely different stories?   :2brickwall:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:02:18 AM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 12:03:18 AM
I'm thinking "outside the box" here, but maybe Steve is an illegitimate child of someone in power; or the son of someone in power.  It happens all the time that children born out of wedlock are given the name of the father.  Just a thought. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:04:34 AM
Caps…


Is 7A Catiri near the Racquet Club, please?

Steakhouse...Which one….Who…Joran or Paulus?

Bigwig….Zeolla?…deVeer?…..or Bill Jr????

TIA


Need phots of all 3

then will compare.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:06:18 AM
THe person that provided the escord when the 2 shivas left are the black team, Rudy croes children are working for the black team and they where there, they new the girl,

The Young Babylonians are the sons of Rudy Croes.

100% shure... need name. or will skip check with other source.

back to decoding


Now, who did you tell us the shivas were?  How many kids does Rudy have? 

2 contract killers


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 12:06:47 AM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

The 5th suspect was at his house....Simian says so...it was a small party...AT HIS HOUSE.

I give up!!   :gaah:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 12:11:02 AM
Caps
You said that Joran was eating at a steakhouse with some big wig...who were you talking about?  I want to know the answer to that too.  What was happening while he was eating?   Please don't make me bang my head any longer against that wall...that is what Colombo is supposed to do..not me. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:11:40 AM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

The 5th suspect was at his house....Simian says so...it was a small party...AT HIS HOUSE.

I give up!!   :gaah:
lala the hotel do not have a casino like th others but it is there...which floor and room?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:13:13 AM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

The 5th suspect was at his house....Simian says so...it was a small party...AT HIS HOUSE.

I give up!!   :gaah:
lala the hotel do not have a casino like th others but it is there...which floor and room?

Maybe simian drop the T like THIS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:15:55 AM
Caps
You said that Joran was eating at a steakhouse with some big wig...who were you talking about?  I want to know the answer to that too.  What was happening while he was eating?   Please don't make me bang my head any longer against that wall...that is what Colombo is supposed to do..not me. LOL

Read what  said.. Joran was not there. the rest of the famaly Yes, El Gaucho Rest. need photo of the 3 names you mention


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 12:21:43 AM
Caps
You said that Joran was eating at a steakhouse with some big wig...who were you talking about?  I want to know the answer to that too.  What was happening while he was eating?   Please don't make me bang my head any longer against that wall...that is what Colombo is supposed to do..not me. LOL

Read what  said.. Joran was not there. the rest of the famaly Yes, El Gaucho Rest. need photo of the 3 names you mention

I can't find your post right now, but were you saying Joran was eating steak or the rest of the family was eating steak?  When was this?  The night in question?   I must be hallucinating now...it's because of my head hurts.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:28:23 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....


I said Joran was not there..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 12:30:47 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....


I said Joran was not there..


Thanks!  I thought you meant that Paulus, Anita and kids were there and not Joran...but it seemed to confuse some of us...now was this the night that Natalee disappeared?  Do you know?  I am getting hungry for a steak now...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:33:27 AM
Caps
You said that Joran was eating at a steakhouse with some big wig...who were you talking about?  I want to know the answer to that too.  What was happening while he was eating?   Please don't make me bang my head any longer against that wall...that is what Colombo is supposed to do..not me. LOL

Read what  said.. Joran was not there. the rest of the famaly Yes, El Gaucho Rest. need photo of the 3 names you mention

I can't find your post right now, but were you saying Joran was eating steak or the rest of the family was eating steak?  When was this?  The night in question?   I must be hallucinating now...it's because of my head hurts.  ::MonkeyConfused::


No No, This was 2 weeks ago. Waiter knows him and waiter know the man. He give me names but doe not remember the name but if picture I will ask him to make sure it matches the name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:37:20 AM
Why was they there, I do not know but source say it was some sort of meeting. sitting all the way in the back. Source say also that he Stinks becuase he does not uses Deoderant or does not like to take a bath... fetith smell like onios

LOL this is true....



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 12:39:53 AM
I tried to gather some information on Steve Croes.  There is nothing.  No mention of his family or the ex-wife.  There is speculation that he is also the person who snatched Amy Bradley and our FBI was never allowed near him - I wonder why?  ::MonkeyConfused::  This guy is a real dirtbag and someone has twice really protected him.

CAPS and Finbar - we need some facts about Steve Croes.


They denied a relationshiop to Marianne Croes.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.

CNN spoke with his next-door neighbor, who identified himself as Rufo Solognier. He identified the person arrested as his nephew Steve Croes and described him as a quiet, divorced father of a 2-year-old son.

The prosecutor's office said there is no relationship between its spokeswoman and the suspect, and that the name "Croes" in Aruba is about as common as "Smith" in the United States.

Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others in custody.

Croes' boss on the Tattoo cruise ship, Marcus Williams, told CNN the boat generally does not go out on Sunday nights.

Even when the boat does go out on Sundays, it returns by midnight, Williams said.

The boat docks about 300 meters, or about 1,000 feet, from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.

It was about 1:30 a.m. Monday May 30 that Holloway was last seen leaving the nightclub Carlos'N Charlie's with three young men, police said. (Full story)

Police commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said Croes' arrest came after he was named by one of the three suspects being held.

No charges have been filed against Joran Van Der Sloot, 17; Deepak Kalpoe, 21; and his brother, Satish Kalpoe, 18.

They were arrested June 9, and their attorneys say they maintain their innocence.

They are the three men seen with Holloway when she was leaving that nightclub, police said.

On Wednesday, authorities searched Van Der Sloot's home, seizing two cars and removing bagfuls of evidence.

Van Der Sloot's father is awaiting a ruling on his petition to see his son, which is required under Dutch law since Van Der Sloot is a minor. Aruba is part of the Netherlands.

Under Aruban law, prosecutors can ask judges to approve three eight-day extensions, followed by one 60-day extension and then one 30-day extension.

Suspects may be held up to 116 days -- and in rare cases even longer -- before formal charges are filed, said Croes, the prosecutor's spokeswoman.

Despite a massive search operation throughout the island, Aruban authorities have found no sign of Holloway.

"The frustration is unimaginable. It's unimaginable," said Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty.

"I have waited and I have waited and I have waited," she said.

"We don't even have one answer yet ... They have to find Natalee. They have to find our daughter."

CNN's Karl Penhaul contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html


Two down, three to go
On Sunday Aruban authorities also indicated that they will release 26-year-old party boat disc jockey Steve Croes, the fifth suspect in this case.  It is unlikely that the other three suspects will be immediately released, but the 118-day detention clock is slowly ticking away on the Aruban authorities, and when the clock runs out they must make their case in trial or let the three go, and there will continue to be a mandatory review of their incarceration every eight days until they are tried or released. Evidently Croes, a friend of one or more of the Kalpoe brothers, voluntarily told authorities that he had witnessed Joran and the Kalpoes drop Holloway off at her hotel, thereby confirming their alibi, one later acknowledged by them as being a lie.  Because of Croes' false report he was arrested and held in custody.  Croes' arrest may have also been related to the authority's belief that he had access to a small boat that could, perhaps, have been used to transport Holloway somewhere on the waters surrounding Aruba.  Croes' release, like that of Paulus van der Sloot, is due to a similar finding by the local judge that there is not reasonable suspicion to support the belief that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8376303/

Neither the ferry that took people out to the Tattoo or the Crew Launch are suitable for going on open ocean. The problem with the Launch is that it is underpowered, 15hp engine I believe. I suppose he could have access to another boat. Also, I think it has been established that while the Tattoo normally doesn't go out on Sunday night, there was a special charter and Croes was working. This figured in with his release because of the time frame as I recall. Also the Tattoo Ferry takes off from the De Palm Pier between the Raddison and the Aruba Grand, not the marina if front of the Marriott. This is about a mile plus south. It does sort of put him in the vicinity.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14080


The Uncle knows "nothing" about Steve? I think this says it all. ::MonkeyConfused::

BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you talked to your nephew at all?

RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE: No, not for a week.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is your...

SOLOGNIER: My wife went to the courtroom this morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Right. What did they say in court today?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. Nothing. They can't say nothing. He can't speak to her.

VAN SUSTEREN: They won't let Steve Croes talk to his...

SOLOGNIER: No, nobody.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why not?

SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I have to ask the lawyer.

VAN SUSTEREN: Steve is not your son, he's your nephew, right?

SOLOGNIER: He's the nephew of my wife.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where is Steve's parents?

SOLOGNIER: In Curacao.

VAN SUSTEREN: And sorry, he lives next door with his grandmother?

SOLOGNIER: Grandmother, grandfather.

VAN SUSTEREN: With your wife's mother and father then?

SOLOGNIER: Yes, yes, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And his grandparents. Any idea why they picked him up?

SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I can't even.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are they telling you anything at all?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. I know nothing about Steve.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

Rumor has it that Steve Croes was seen taking Amy Bradley off the Cruise ship into Curacao by about 5 witnesses. By time FBI learned this information from the witnesses Steve Croes was already in Aruba. FBI went to Aruba to speak and question with Steve Croes. Aruba denied FBI or anyone to even question Steve Croes about Amy Bradley. Seems to me that Aruba is a safe haven for criminals and harbor them as well. Why not allow FBI speak with someone who was seen and identified as kidnapping a missing person off a Cruise ship and never to be seen again? Has nothing to do with Aruba, only that Steve Croes fled to Aruba after his crime. It's even out of Aruba's jurisdiction, they would not even cooperate with authorities at all. I hope that someone brings this to the attention of Interpol while in Aruba. May prove to be more than meets the eye with Steve Croes and Aruba. -AP-
http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/a/more-rumors_post9-45.html

PENHAUL: He`s a 26-year-old, originally born on Curacao, but he has lived on Aruba for many years now. He`s a recent divorcee. He`s the father of a 2-year-old son. He was living in the town of Santa Cruz. That`s a town in the center of the island near the national park. He was living at that house with his grandfather and his grandmother, living next door to his uncle. His uncle is a retired police chief inspector, Nancy.

GRACE: Karl, what if any connection is there between -- this is a grown man, he`s a 26-year-old divorced father -- and these three young guys who are partying hardy at Carlos and Charlie`s. What`s the connection?

PENHAUL: Police and prosecutors haven`t told us of any connection. But talking to Steven Croes` boss, Marcus Williams, he says that he believes that he knew one of the Kalpoe brothers through the Internet Cafe. Now, we know that Deepak, the eldest of the Kalpoe brothers, the 21-year- old, worked at the Cyberzone Internet Cafe. And it seems as it`s there where he knew Steve Croes, Nancy.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 12:47:27 AM
Why was they there, I do not know but source say it was some sort of meeting. sitting all the way in the back. Source say also that he Stinks becuase he does not uses Deoderant or does not like to take a bath... fetith smell like onios

LOL this is true....


::MonkeyHaHa:: I believe it!  Sweaty, stinky, running man!  And Anita loves it!  She stinks too in my opinion!
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 12:54:23 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



I said Joran was not there..

Caps, could it have been Rick Zeolla?

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_3rd/Aug03_ArubaMarriott.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 12:55:02 AM
Why was they there, I do not know but source say it was some sort of meeting. sitting all the way in the back. Source say also that he Stinks becuase he does not uses Deoderant or does not like to take a bath... fetith smell like onios

LOL this is true....


::MonkeyHaHa:: I believe it!  Sweaty, stinky, running man!  And Anita loves it!  She stinks too in my opinion!
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::
TM...I was laughing so hard My hubby thought I had totally lost it....Caps You are sooo funny.....And I imagine PVS does smell worse than an onion..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 12:55:12 AM
SS,
In the Amy Bradley disappearance, some of the crew of the ship she was on tried to get her to go to C & C's the night before she disappeared while the ship was docked in Aruba.  She told her brother and/or her parents about it, she didn't go because she didn't like the looks of those that wanted her to go.  She disappeared the night that the ship traveled from Aruba to Curacao.  I'm not sure that Steve wasn't already living in Aruba before.  I don't know for sure one way or the other, but I have read the reports of his possible involvement.  I read everything I could find about her case because we vacationed in Curacao in '99 IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:56:45 AM
Why was they there, I do not know but source say it was some sort of meeting. sitting all the way in the back. Source say also that he Stinks becuase he does not uses Deoderant or does not like to take a bath... fetith smell like onios

LOL this is true....


::MonkeyHaHa:: I believe it!  Sweaty, stinky, running man!  And Anita loves it!  She stinks too in my opinion!
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

That will be a nice project for 9:am got to go to fen the stomach..

Have research and decode a lot... till hiting the children of RC. they work for the black team.

now also check the children of PM if any.

BRB


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 01:00:05 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



I said Joran was not there..

Caps, could it have been Rick Zeolla?

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_3rd/Aug03_ArubaMarriott.html


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RickZeollacopy.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 01:01:02 AM
Why was they there, I do not know but source say it was some sort of meeting. sitting all the way in the back. Source say also that he Stinks becuase he does not uses Deoderant or does not like to take a bath... fetith smell like onios

LOL this is true....


::MonkeyHaHa:: I believe it!  Sweaty, stinky, running man!  And Anita loves it!  She stinks too in my opinion!
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::
TM...I was laughing so hard My hubby thought I had totally lost it....Caps You are sooo funny.....And I imagine PVS does smell worse than an onion..... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa::
Caps is funny, and Paulus and everything he touches is stinky! pewwweeeee!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 01:02:03 AM
CAPS, 

I have to agree with LaLa at this point.  Please clear up the family of Steve Croes and Rudy's two sons.  You and Finbar have been dancing around this family for weeks now.  How can we possibly move forward to find more information if we don't have confirmation of what we're working on right now?  We still don't know for certain who the 5th is.  Is it Steve and is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Is it one of Rudy's sons?  Is Steve one of Rudy's sons?  I really think that we need some clarification - more than Finbar's earlobes.

Also, who did Joran switch with so as not to disappoint his father?
I thought that we already estabished that the gambling party was at Brickell Bay?
I'm starting to get frustrated. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 01:04:35 AM
You do not understand, Exposing Joran in publick is for two reason,
1. Money.
2. A bluff
3. to reach a point in Holland, that we can declare Joran unfit and crazy ---> leading to the story of Mental Health treatment.

BTW Vander sloot  stink physicaly and He and Anita and his sons but not Joran was Eating at this steak house. He was in the company of a bigwig from the Mariotte....



I said Joran was not there..

Caps, could it have been Rick Zeolla?

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_3rd/Aug03_ArubaMarriott.html

sound right he call him zeol and know him. I am calling but I know he is in Casino at this time. like to gamble. it his day off


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 01:11:41 AM
Zeolla was made Treasurer of AHATA in December 2005.

See 12.1.2005 post:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
IIRC the wife of Rudy Croes is Jossy Mansur's niece.

Goodnight everyone.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 01:12:41 AM
CAPS, 

I have to agree with LaLa at this point.  Please clear up the family of Steve Croes and Rudy's two sons.  You and Finbar have been dancing around this family for weeks now.  How can we possibly move forward to find more information if we don't have confirmation of what we're working on right now?  We still don't know for certain who the 5th is.  Is it Steve and is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Is it one of Rudy's sons?  Is Steve one of Rudy's sons?  I really think that we need some clarification - more than Finbar's earlobes.

Also, who did Joran switch with so as not to disappoint his father?
I thought that we already estabished that the gambling party was at Brickell Bay?
I'm starting to get frustrated. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Rudy has sons out of wetlock. will check it out. The illegal casino is at brickel that is a fact.
My source say that steve uncle is RU and son of Hendrick. so let me check with source in registry. clear this up.
It is in the famaly, anyone has date of birth of steve. makes live easy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 01:17:12 AM
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/03/ng.01.html

(snipped)

NANCY GRACE

Nancy Grace for Friday, June 3, 2005, CNNHN

Aired June 3, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET



Tonight, in Birmingham, Alabama, CNN correspondent Rick Sanchez; with us by phone from Aruba, Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty; also on the phone from Aruba, the president of the International Friends of Aruba, Maschelle Zeolla -- that`s the group in charge of the search for Natalee; also with us, from L.A., defense attorney Debra Opri; in New York, defense lawyer Bruce Koffsky (ph); in L.A., psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall.

(snipped)

That is Rick Zeolla's wife


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 01:20:30 AM
Zeolla was made Treasurer of AHATA in December 2005.

See 12.1.2005 post:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Now there is a war between this new group called "MEET ARUBA" could you chack it out...it seem that the guy that I am also looking for was not elected in the AHATA Tribe. Now this guy runs the Meet Aruba Organization... Have been researching it out but I have to much on the plate now..



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 01:24:20 AM
CAPS, 

I have to agree with LaLa at this point.  Please clear up the family of Steve Croes and Rudy's two sons.  You and Finbar have been dancing around this family for weeks now.  How can we possibly move forward to find more information if we don't have confirmation of what we're working on right now?  We still don't know for certain who the 5th is.  Is it Steve and is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Is it one of Rudy's sons?  Is Steve one of Rudy's sons?  I really think that we need some clarification - more than Finbar's earlobes.

Also, who did Joran switch with so as not to disappoint his father?
I thought that we already estabished that the gambling party was at Brickell Bay?
I'm starting to get frustrated. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Rudy has sons out of wetlock. will check it out. The illegal casino is at brickel that is a fact.
My source say that steve uncle is RU and son of Hendrick. so let me check with source in registry. clear this up.
It is in the famaly, anyone has date of birth of steve. makes live easy.


July 21, 1978


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 01:27:46 AM
Zeolla was made Treasurer of AHATA in December 2005.

See 12.1.2005 post:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Now there is a war between this new group called "MEET ARUBA" could you chack it out...it seem that the guy that I am also looking for was not elected in the AHATA Tribe. Now this guy runs the Meet Aruba Organization... Have been researching it out but I have to much on the plate now..



http://www.meetaruba.com/

http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_staff_services.asp

Looks like Rob Smith is in charge:

(http://www.themeetingmagazines.com/index/Portals/1/2007_09_CIT/2.%20Newswatch/Smith.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 01:30:01 AM
Rick Zeolla? page 34
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=7


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 01:30:37 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 01:33:52 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Goodnight Klaas!  And thanks for all your help!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 01:34:25 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/OduberFamily.jpg)

Danguillaume, Nelson, Glenson
I think they are as listed, left to right...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Magnolia on April 07, 2008, 01:57:20 AM
CAPS, 

I have to agree with LaLa at this point.  Please clear up the family of Steve Croes and Rudy's two sons.  You and Finbar have been dancing around this family for weeks now.  How can we possibly move forward to find more information if we don't have confirmation of what we're working on right now?  We still don't know for certain who the 5th is.  Is it Steve and is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Is it one of Rudy's sons?  Is Steve one of Rudy's sons?  I really think that we need some clarification - more than Finbar's earlobes.

Also, who did Joran switch with so as not to disappoint his father?
I thought that we already estabished that the gambling party was at Brickell Bay?
I'm starting to get frustrated. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Rudy has sons out of wetlock. will check it out. The illegal casino is at brickel that is a fact.
My source say that steve uncle is RU and son of Hendrick. so let me check with source in registry. clear this up.
It is in the famaly, anyone has date of birth of steve. makes live easy.


A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 02:06:22 AM
Zeolla was made Treasurer of AHATA in December 2005.

See 12.1.2005 post:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Now there is a war between this new group called "MEET ARUBA" could you chack it out...it seem that the guy that I am also looking for was not elected in the AHATA Tribe. Now this guy runs the Meet Aruba Organization... Have been researching it out but I have to much on the plate now..



http://www.meetaruba.com/

http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_staff_services.asp

Looks like Rob Smith is in charge:

(http://www.themeetingmagazines.com/index/Portals/1/2007_09_CIT/2.%20Newswatch/Smith.jpg)
who did setup the meet Aruba,

Taht froup wanted to be part of the AHATA but left them out. That is an ongoing war. Aruba desided to  setup his own network and the day off electing board members they let one of the dirty hands out. We need to runs Meet Aruba.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 02:12:44 AM
Zeolla was made Treasurer of AHATA in December 2005.

See 12.1.2005 post:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Now there is a war between this new group called "MEET ARUBA" could you chack it out...it seem that the guy that I am also looking for was not elected in the AHATA Tribe. Now this guy runs the Meet Aruba Organization... Have been researching it out but I have to much on the plate now..



http://www.meetaruba.com/

http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_staff_services.asp

Looks like Rob Smith is in charge:

(http://www.themeetingmagazines.com/index/Portals/1/2007_09_CIT/2.%20Newswatch/Smith.jpg)
who did setup the meet Aruba,

Taht froup wanted to be part of the AHATA but left them out. That is an ongoing war. Aruba desided to  setup his own network and the day off electing board members they let one of the dirty hands out. We need to runs Meet Aruba.

 

Now we are getting in the big guns:

Check we need to check this guy link Jan Zandboer a Dytch man in charge of Aruba Tourism...and what heppend to the AHATA... hmmmm I can see the wars already.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 02:18:48 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/OduberFamily.jpg)

Danguillaume, Nelson, Glenson
I think they are as listed, left to right...


The one in black looks like a doupple ganager of one of the Kalpoe's


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 02:22:28 AM
Zeolla was made Treasurer of AHATA in December 2005.

See 12.1.2005 post:

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_11_27_archive.html


Now there is a war between this new group called "MEET ARUBA" could you chack it out...it seem that the guy that I am also looking for was not elected in the AHATA Tribe. Now this guy runs the Meet Aruba Organization... Have been researching it out but I have to much on the plate now..



http://www.meetaruba.com/

http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_staff_services.asp

Looks like Rob Smith is in charge:

(http://www.themeetingmagazines.com/index/Portals/1/2007_09_CIT/2.%20Newswatch/Smith.jpg)
who did setup the meet Aruba,

Taht froup wanted to be part of the AHATA but left them out. That is an ongoing war. Aruba desided to  setup his own network and the day off electing board members they let one of the dirty hands out. We need to runs Meet Aruba.

 

Now we are getting in the big guns:

Check we need to check this guy link Jan Zandboer a Dytch man in charge of Aruba Tourism...and what heppend to the AHATA... hmmmm I can see the wars already.

Regional Sales Manager – Canada

Jan zandboer is Meet Aruba's Sales Manager for Canada. Jan joined the Netherlands Board of Tourism & Conventions in Toronto, Canada in 1987. He was promoted to Director of the NBTC Toronto office in 1993, responsible for the development and execution of sales and marketing activities in Canada. As NBTC’s Canada Representative, Jan is responsible for the coordination and execution of sales activities in Canada, with a strong focus on the MICE market. Jan is a member of the Society of Incentive Travel Executives (SITE), Meeting Planners International (MPI) and Skål , the only international organization which brings together all branches of the travel and tourism industry. Jan is a past President of the European Travel Commission (ETC, Canada Chapter), the Association of National Tourist Office Representatives (ANTOR) and Skål International Toronto. Prior to joining the NBTC, Jan was a hotel officer on the cruise ships of Holland America Line, holding positions as Front Office Manager and Food & Beverage Controller. Jan has a degree in Hotel Management, University of Tilburg, The Netherlands.


Contact Information:
Whitby, Ontario
Canada
Phone: 905-666-5960
Fax: 905-666-5391

meetaruba-jan@holland.com




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 02:23:56 AM
Sorry forgot the link


 www.meetaruba.com/aruba_staff_services.asp -


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 02:29:16 AM
More info on Jan Zandboer
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/6/9b8/964


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 02:43:16 AM
Zandboer and PVDS attended the same college Tilburg, where PVDS brother is a professor also. 

Nothing on AHATA website....except pictures hmmmm


Calling it a night, Monday morning's not far away!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: sirensong on April 07, 2008, 04:02:19 AM
One of the band members of Blue Orchid, which was providing music and entertainment aboard the Rhapsody when Amy Bradley went missing, was nicknamed "Yellow." The fourth person to be named as a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is a Disc Jockey for music entertainment aboard a "party barge" which operates from Aruba, a man named Croes, who was previously involved with a band named "Yellowjacket".

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=73463



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 05:01:48 AM
Zandboer and PVDS attended the same college Tilburg, where PVDS brother is a professor also. 

Nothing on AHATA website....except pictures hmmmm


Calling it a night, Monday morning's not far away!


Found this...It appears to be a part of AHATA....Was this guy even in Aruba May of 2005?



 http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_convention_services.asp


Meet Aruba is the official group marketing division of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) and, as such, works closely with all hotels and DMC companies in Aruba
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 05:27:22 AM
Unless Rudy has something on the Governor, he is the one with all the power. Darn, should have found that out ages ago, but I was thinking like an Aussie! I am at a distinct disadvantage here with Shango being in Florida!

Been asking forever how Rudy kept the position of Minister of Justice?

Not sure if this makes the Governor ‘His Lordship’ or the ‘Arawak King’….more homework! Truthseeker may be right!

About time we got back to looking at the Zeollas again! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 06:20:39 AM
Lala’s….Back to my question on the Marriott…Which Marriott?  The one Downtown or the one with the road of ‘white gold that is not paved’?  When did Melody see Joran downtown…Saturday or Sunday night? They circled around the block and made a stop where? Which one did the dots on the dish put them at?

They beeped all the way to Bill’s lodging’s?

Bill Marriott Jr.,  Marriott Corporation Chairman, Visits Hotel

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2005_1st/Feb05_RenAruba.html

The 559-room Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino Completes a $15 million Renovation

The resort, built by Metacorp, a local Aruba-based holding company….

Bill Marriott Jr. (sixth from right), Chairman of Marriott Corp., meets with
the Renaissance Aruba developer Eduardo de Veer  (left of Mr. Marriott)
and representatives of the hotel employees during the 15th Anniversary
celebrations in Aruba



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 06:26:20 AM
Thanks for all the help on the Arends family yesterday. But I still need help!

August 11th., the van der Sloots’ maid gives her third statement and shortly after we hear of a houseguest. Is this the first we heard of some-one spending the night?

I thought I had read posts on 8/11 about this, but the ones that Finngirl posted are from the 14th. Really don’t think it matters if it never surfaced before. I don’t remember anything in the PVs about anyone else being there. Just would like to clarify that the info did not surface before 8/11…..

On 8/14 the posts were saying this was Max Arends. Joran’s school buddy who always stayed over. Makes sense, school the next day, both go to ISA, they would go together.

Two weeks later we hear that it was Freddy Arambatzis who stayed over. (Who applauded the Monkeys for correctly identifying Freddy as Freddy Zedan Arambatzis – Scubajap!)  As Lala’s said Freddy Z. is way too old for sleepovers. And why would some-one ‘sleepover’ at his buddy’s house while his buddy was out!

Just a thought…by Freddy saying he was Joran’s houseguest….did he not give Max Arends an alibi?

Thoughts…please….and TIA…

Sorry COLUMBO…LOL and good morning!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 06:49:58 AM
Thanks to Kermit…. ::MonkeyCool::

It was posted the other day that 7A Catiri was a business…film/video making. (Got to go back and fetch all those posts)

A Frederick Arends, dob 1959 resides at that address, according to the Chamber records. So does Freddy Zedan in an apartment, according to our trusted clever little froggy. Appears they both make movies!….Not our Kermit…LOL

August when Freddy was arrested, Scubajap says the Monkeys have the correct name! One of the first names out was Arends, but we ended up with Arambatzis, Joran’s friend. (Anna, still checking on those Scuba posts…)

Why no statements from Freddy Zedan when he was arrested in August?
 
Did his case not have anything to do with the Kalpoes? Just a coincidence that the three were arrested at the same time?

And why was he released secretly while the Kalpoes were paraded in front of the cameras….

Hmmmmm…I guess they did not want Freddy caught on camera….Why?????…We’ve all seen the famous pic….


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 09:59:43 AM
Rick Zeolla is a friend of the Sloot family.  Sebastian spent time at their house.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 10:00:34 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 10:07:20 AM

Edit my last references to Scuba....

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!

Hmmmmmmmmm...Bondia was who?????

Oh what a tangled web......

Good Morning Caps!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Caps...are you sure...that is not the name the mother gave when she was interviewed?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 10:13:32 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD



I just had to correct one thing. I left a NOT in the biological. After dubble check, the NOT need to be out.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 10:15:34 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 10:16:56 AM

Edit my last references to Scuba....

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!

Hmmmmmmmmm...Bondia was who?????

Oh what a tangled web......

Good Morning Caps!

Julia Renfro


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 10:22:22 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 10:26:50 AM

Edit my last references to Scuba....

And Bondia congratulates the Monkeys on nailing Freddy’s last name!

Hmmmmmmmmm...Bondia was who?????

Oh what a tangled web......

Good Morning Caps!

Julia Renfro


And the winner this morning is Lala’s!!!!

Reporter/photographer might happen to know a fella on the island that makes movies, especially certain types of movies!

No wonder she wanted that paper from Mos or Croes or whomever!


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 10:31:53 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy



I asked if that was Steve Croes address?  Is it or not?  You put the info out there..so tell me who is it?  Is it his parents?  What?  Security to whom?  Not good enough for me.  You knew I would ask.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 10:36:18 AM
Zandboer and PVDS attended the same college Tilburg, where PVDS brother is a professor also. 

Nothing on AHATA website....except pictures hmmmm


Calling it a night, Monday morning's not far away!


Found this...It appears to be a part of AHATA....Was this guy even in Aruba May of 2005?



 http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_convention_services.asp


Meet Aruba is the official group marketing division of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) and, as such, works closely with all hotels and DMC companies in Aruba
 



So Meet Aruba is NOT separate or competing..they are almost one and the same as far their goals?  Interesting. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 10:41:50 AM
Caps
You said last night that the 5th suspect is Rudy Croes' son....which one?  I want to see who it is and how you came to that conclusion...Please don't just throw that info out there and leave it...otherwise no one will even take it seriously.  Please fill in the blanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 10:43:21 AM
Interesting how everyone leaves when I ask questions.  I get the message. :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 10:44:53 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
Caps…did you check the records to get that info?

Are you sure you have the mother’s right name?

If I was you and I was in Aruba I would be having a good look at a couple of  addresses…But I’m not and I can’t…LOL....and I don't mean Steve's either...LOLOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 10:56:56 AM
Caps…did you check the records to get that info?

Are you sure you have the mother’s right name?

If I was you and I was in Aruba I would be having a good look at a couple of  addresses…But I’m not and I can’t…LOL....and I don't mean Steve's either...LOLOL


The address is correct for the Mother and the Father. They belong to the Santa cruz region.

The info is correct. this is from the center of sources.. when you are born. No mistake here.


What adress do you want.?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
Caps....IIRC Pita posted the info on Steve's mother yesterday...I am not sure that the name you are using is the correct name...Would you please double check.

Did you see my post about the Governor this morning...he is who I would like to talk to! (Sorry Joran, not Val!)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 11:03:47 AM
Caps
You said last night that the 5th suspect is Rudy Croes' son....which one?  I want to see who it is and how you came to that conclusion...Please don't just throw that info out there and leave it...otherwise no one will even take it seriously.  Please fill in the blanks.

Shango point me to it and it is here were I left last night.

under reasech. I got allready the PM

BTW the PM son look like a doupple ganger of one of the kalpoes...look at the picture and compare....the one in the black that works in the watersport bussiness andis president of the Windsurf.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 11:09:22 AM
Caps…did you check the records to get that info?

Are you sure you have the mother’s right name?

If I was you and I was in Aruba I would be having a good look at a couple of  addresses…But I’m not and I can’t…LOL....and I don't mean Steve's either...LOLOL


The address is correct for the Mother and the Father. They belong to the Santa cruz region.

The info is correct. this is from the center of sources.. when you are born. No mistake here.


What adress do you want.?


Caps…I don’t think that is not the same mother’s name as what was listed yesterday and has been posted since August of 2005, IIRC That is not the same name as the woman that came from Curacao when he went to court.

That is all I am saying. I guess we need to find out, for sure, where both names came from.

My computer is too slow today for me to go back and find the post with her name on it. I am looking for something in my posts, maybe I’ll run across it as I posted it in the last week or so as well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 11:21:47 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Ex-wife or girlfriend? / mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.


Mother: Imelda Stacia-Soliana or Imolda Statia Saliana  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 11:24:05 AM


Croes   Steve GCJ   7/21/1978   Curaçao   Rooi Santo 4B


This is the Steve Croes from Noord at adress Rooi santo 4B


Now who lives at Rooi santo 4B

Gei                Filemon A   11/30/1953   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B
Gei                Innocencio   6/22/1946   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B
Gei                Jeanet AM   2/26/1981   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B
Gei, geb. Gei   Bernadetta   12/13/1947   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B


Now where is the relation ship to steve croes.??? do not exist. It must be an error or it it delibertly done so to hide some one.

Other if the Steve Croes is from Santa creos and who's mother is Garrido, then this is link to Hendrick Croes the Lawyer. I think the info was inserted to confuse the issue and not to find Steve at all.

Now who is this person that give information...It can be a setup also.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 11:30:39 AM


Croes   Steve GCJ   7/21/1978   Curaçao   Rooi Santo 4B


This is the Steve Croes from Noord at adress Rooi santo 4B


Now who lives at Rooi santo 4B

Gei                Filemon A   11/30/1953   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B
Gei                Innocencio   6/22/1946   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B
Gei                Jeanet AM   2/26/1981   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B
Gei, geb. Gei   Bernadetta   12/13/1947   Aruba   Rooi Santo 4B


Now where is the relation ship to steve croes.??? do not exist. It must be an error or it it delibertly done so to hide some one.

Other if the Steve Croes is from Santa creos and who's mother is Garrido, then this is link to Hendrick Croes the Lawyer. I think the info was inserted to confuse the issue and not to find Steve at all.

Now who is this person that give information...It can be a setup also.

CAPS


Caps...See vms' post above...Thanks vms


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 11:39:11 AM
Now the Famaly Croes and the Famaly Gei created this new famaly

now lets track back, Where did steve come from, He was born in curacao but carries CROES and Garrido

The Garrido / Croes is Hendrick Croes and Felomena M from Sero Pita.

and that is Hendrick Croes the Lawyer.

and that is how Steve got out of the mess.

Now Who is Hendrick Croes Links to Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes etc.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 11:47:19 AM
Now the Famaly Croes and the Famaly Gei created this new famaly

now lets track back, Where did steve come from, He was born in curacao but carries CROES and Garrido

The Garrido / Croes is Hendrick Croes and Felomena M from Sero Pita.

and that is Hendrick Croes the Lawyer.

and that is how Steve got out of the mess.

Now Who is Hendrick Croes Links to Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes etc.

 

Huh?

We saw his mother on television. Geraldo interviewed her. She came over from Curacao when SC was arrested. She had cancer, IIRC.

How does this Garrido-Croes woman fit in?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 11:49:39 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Ex-wife or girlfriend? / mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.


Mother: Imelda Stacia-Soliana or Imolda Statia Saliana  :smt102


Soliana   Adriano M   4/10/1957   Curacao   Cura Cabai 68
Soliana   Raimundo A                 1/5/1951   Curacao   Cura Cabai 68
Soliana   Henk A                              3/29/1963   Aruba   Gasparito 9E
Soliana   Hendelton C                 12/15/1982   Aruba   Maracastraat 35
Soliana   Pedro B                              6/30/1934   Bonaire   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana   Tito F                              9/16/1968   Aruba   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana   Ronny A                              4/24/1960   Aruba   Siribana 31B
Soliana   David Z                              10/8/1966   Aruba   Watapana Gezaag 33
Soliana   Jane M                              3/9/1965   Aruba   Weg Seroe Preto 39
Soliana   Remigio G                             11/17/1958   Curacao   Zeewijk 13
Soliana, geb. Boezem   Dilia E   1/5/1943   Aruba   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana, geb. Laclé   Sharon A               6/23/1969   Aruba   Gasparito 9E


The mother do not exist. under Soliana


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 11:52:29 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Ex-wife or girlfriend? / mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.


Mother: Imelda Stacia-Soliana or Imolda Statia Saliana  :smt102


Soliana   Adriano M   4/10/1957   Curacao   Cura Cabai 68
Soliana   Raimundo A                 1/5/1951   Curacao   Cura Cabai 68
Soliana   Henk A                              3/29/1963   Aruba   Gasparito 9E
Soliana   Hendelton C                 12/15/1982   Aruba   Maracastraat 35
Soliana   Pedro B                              6/30/1934   Bonaire   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana   Tito F                              9/16/1968   Aruba   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana   Ronny A                              4/24/1960   Aruba   Siribana 31B
Soliana   David Z                              10/8/1966   Aruba   Watapana Gezaag 33
Soliana   Jane M                              3/9/1965   Aruba   Weg Seroe Preto 39
Soliana   Remigio G                             11/17/1958   Curacao   Zeewijk 13
Soliana, geb. Boezem   Dilia E   1/5/1943   Aruba   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana, geb. Laclé   Sharon A               6/23/1969   Aruba   Gasparito 9E


The mother do not exist. under Soliana


Are these Curacao addresses?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 11:54:40 AM
Caps
None of those addresses is the one gave me about where Steve Croes lives...what gives?  There is way too much confusion here and we are just chasing our tails again as we did with Guido....which address is it? 

What about 5th suspect being Rudy's son?  Which one?  Give us a name to check out and see if it fits.  Please!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Ex-wife or girlfriend? / mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.


Mother: Imelda Stacia-Soliana or Imolda Statia Saliana  :smt102


Soliana   Adriano M   4/10/1957   Curacao   Cura Cabai 68
Soliana   Raimundo A                 1/5/1951   Curacao   Cura Cabai 68
Soliana   Henk A                              3/29/1963   Aruba   Gasparito 9E
Soliana   Hendelton C                 12/15/1982   Aruba   Maracastraat 35
Soliana   Pedro B                              6/30/1934   Bonaire   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana   Tito F                              9/16/1968   Aruba   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana   Ronny A                              4/24/1960   Aruba   Siribana 31B
Soliana   David Z                              10/8/1966   Aruba   Watapana Gezaag 33
Soliana   Jane M                              3/9/1965   Aruba   Weg Seroe Preto 39
Soliana   Remigio G                             11/17/1958   Curacao   Zeewijk 13
Soliana, geb. Boezem   Dilia E   1/5/1943   Aruba   Marnixstraat 5
Soliana, geb. Laclé   Sharon A               6/23/1969   Aruba   Gasparito 9E


The mother do not exist. under Soliana


Are these Curacao addresses?
everyone that comes to live in aruba habe to register to continue living in Aruba. If you come on vacation yu will not be part of the database.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 11:57:36 AM
Caps
You said last night that the 5th suspect is Rudy Croes' son....which one?  I want to see who it is and how you came to that conclusion...Please don't just throw that info out there and leave it...otherwise no one will even take it seriously.  Please fill in the blanks.

Shango point me to it and it is here were I left last night.

under reasech. I got allready the PM

BTW the PM son look like a doupple ganger of one of the kalpoes...look at the picture and compare....the one in the black that works in the watersport bussiness andis president of the Windsurf.



Yes.  I think someone pointed that out earlier.  What is that guy's name?  Is he the 5th suspect?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 11:59:40 AM
everyone that comes to live in aruba habe to register to continue living in Aruba. If you come on vacation yu will not be part of the database.


Then you will not find his mother listed, if she lives in Curacao. Correct?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:00:41 PM
VMS:

Who is the Lawyer of Steve Croes


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 12:08:08 PM
everyone that comes to live in aruba habe to register to continue living in Aruba. If you come on vacation yu will not be part of the database.


Then you will not find his mother listed, if she lives in Curacao. Correct?
VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.

if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.

now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.

was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 12:08:47 PM
VMS:

Who is the Lawyer of Steve Croes

Looking quickly, I think it was Eleni Lotter-Homan.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 12:13:24 PM
everyone that comes to live in aruba habe to register to continue living in Aruba. If you come on vacation yu will not be part of the database.


Then you will not find his mother listed, if she lives in Curacao. Correct?
VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.

if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.

now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.

was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?





This is Steve's lawyer, I believe. thanks vms

Mr. Eline Lotter-Homan.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 12:14:04 PM
everyone that comes to live in aruba habe to register to continue living in Aruba. If you come on vacation yu will not be part of the database.


Then you will not find his mother listed, if she lives in Curacao. Correct?
VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.

if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.

now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.

was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?




I don't know how long he has lived there and I'm not sure that he ever married Jeanet Gei.

JMO, but if he was related to Rudy's family, someone would have revealed that information when he was arrested. I mean I don't think everyone on Aruba is a Rudy fan.  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 07, 2008, 12:20:09 PM
What about researching 'Statia'....the name is hyphenated....just thinking of maternal surname possibility.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
One of the band members of Blue Orchid, which was providing music and entertainment aboard the Rhapsody when Amy Bradley went missing, was nicknamed "Yellow." The fourth person to be named as a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is a Disc Jockey for music entertainment aboard a "party barge" which operates from Aruba, a man named Croes, who was previously involved with a band named "Yellowjacket".

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=73463




Sirensong…Thanks...Found this after I read the link that you posted…I can’t copy, but the Spirits caught my eye…

More Words Ancient and Modern - Google Books Result
by Ernest Weekley - 1971 - Language Arts & Disciplines 1700) explains " nap the wiper " by " steal the handkerchief. ... spirits or kidnappers ; people that would kidnap or spirit away children in England ...

http://books.google.com/books?id=rqi2sfoufJYC&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=spirits+kidnappers+england+1700s&source=web&ots=RWY81RW9mQ&sig=JtM98E81eDLjb0Vi83M6lu354eI&hl=en

OOPS!!!....LOL...tinyurl????



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 07, 2008, 01:05:48 PM
Zandboer and PVDS attended the same college Tilburg, where PVDS brother is a professor also. 

Nothing on AHATA website....except pictures hmmmm


Calling it a night, Monday morning's not far away!


Found this...It appears to be a part of AHATA....Was this guy even in Aruba May of 2005?



 http://www.meetaruba.com/aruba_convention_services.asp


Meet Aruba is the official group marketing division of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) and, as such, works closely with all hotels and DMC companies in Aruba
 



So Meet Aruba is NOT separate or competing..they are almost one and the same as far their goals?  Interesting. 


At the AHATA General Assembly
New Chairman Alfonso Riveroll makes an excellent speech
A.M. Digital
12/05/2005


The Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino hosted the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association General Assembly last week. On the assembly’s agenda: the election of the new board with Chairman Alfonso Riveroll at the helm.

Riveroll, the owner of the Wyndham Aruba Resort Spa & Casino was visibly excited to assume the leadership of Aruba’s most important association

He’s honored and privileged he explained, to accept the role of Chairman of the Board of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association. As a board member for the past years, and after serving as first vice chair this year he is well aware, he stated, of the responsibilities and challenges the position entails.

“Let me assure all of you who have placed your trust in me, that I am committed to making a major difference for AHATA and thus for the people of Aruba,” he declared.

A love Affair with Aruba

Riveroll first came to Aruba in 1955, and he’s had a love affair with the island since then, citing the warmth and friendliness of the people here, as the foundation of the island’s success.

Public & Private Sector Partnership

The new chairman of AHATA stated he believed in open doors, and in seeking alliances, thus promoting work in partnership with the members of the association, the business community and the government.

He will encourage, he declared, close ties with the Trade and Industry Association, the Chamber of Commerce, the Retailers and the Gastronomic Association, and he would solicit opinions, support and cooperation in making tourism the greatest contributor to the well-being of Aruba as a community.

Message to the Aruba Tourism Authority

When addressing his colleagues at the Aruba Tourism Authority and other important public sector agencies, Riveroll said that it was time for new thinking and new ways of looking at their respective roles. He asked the public sector to become a facilitator, an enabler, and a cheerleader for the private sector.

Public sector agencies, he reiterated should attempt to control less, and be more concerned with results.

Global trends are clear, he explained, as less public sector bureaucracy yields more public & private sector partnerships, which are the keys to economic success.

Just like the private sector, Riveroll advised, government should also be modeled after enterprise, becoming flexible, entrepreneurial and most of all accountable.

Accountability, Riveroll stressed, must be the guiding light as Aruba moves forward.

Meet Aruba should become a partnership

Praising the recent creation of Meet Aruba, an effective Group Marketing and Sales Organization, Riveroll lamented that valuable time was wasted in trying to establish the ground rules for a partnership with the Aruba Tourism Authority, the government agency.

“In our industry,” Riveroll warned, “wasting time is like handing market share to our competitors. It is something that we simply cannot afford to do.”

Meet Aruba also formed an alliance with the Netherlands Board of Tourism and Conventions, and really put Aruba on the map in the Meetings and Convention market, in just three months, Riverol informed.

It is his hope; he added that the Aruba Tourism Authority, seeing the quick, success and professional results of Meet Aruba, would rejoin the organization, as originally intended.  With private sector contributions, both financial and intellectual reflected in the board of governance, Meet Aruba could and would continue to grow, Riveroll indicated.


Team with Common Purpose

At the end of his presentation, Riveroll reflected a bit on the most unprecedented level of media attention, Aruba has received in the past six month, most of it negative.

“Our image,” he said, “has certainly been tarnished and AHATA has been at the forefront with ATA, ATIA, Government, Chamber of Commerce and local business leaders, teaming up with a common purpose, to preserve the island’s image and minimize the impact of the Holloway disappearance. We have fared well, but we need to face such challenges with bold and fast actions,” he stated.

He pointed out that despite having differences, all entities managed to develop a great rapport, a fact he deemed invaluable to future collaborations, and while he was committed to making a difference and to working with everyone who wanted to move mountains, he called for modification of outdated structures and old ways of thinking.

He concluded his well-received address with compliments to AHATA CEO, Jorge Pesquera his fine team and the AHATA board.

Aruba he predicted will remain the most successful destination in the Caribbean. And while the job as Chairman of the AHATA board is a voluntary one, Riverol expects it to become the most fulfilling job of his life.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_12_04_archive.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 07, 2008, 01:15:55 PM
VMS:

Who is the Lawyer of Steve Croes

Looking quickly, I think it was Eleni Lotter-Homan.

That's correct.  Eleni also represented Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 01:23:15 PM
VMS:

Who is the Lawyer of Steve Croes

Looking quickly, I think it was Eleni Lotter-Homan.

That's correct.  Eleni also represented Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.


Thanks Pita. I hope we don't confuse Caps, but maybe we owe him!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 07, 2008, 01:36:40 PM
VMS:

Who is the Lawyer of Steve Croes

Looking quickly, I think it was Eleni Lotter-Homan.

That's correct.  Eleni also represented Geoffrey van Cromvoirt.


Thanks Pita. I hope we don't confuse Caps, but maybe we owe him!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 07, 2008, 01:41:51 PM
To add to confusion....I don't remember this lawyer....but since we are looking for names...: from RWV

C's family, who are also not allowed to visit him.  Do not understand why he is being detained. "Steve would never murder anyone ", says Jeanet Gei who is his ex-girlfriend and mother of his son,  the 3-year-old Steve junior.

He would easily start crying just after he'd stepped on a lizard''  Even
the attorneys of C. do not know what is going on. "We have not seen any documents yet'', said Berry Weijers, Saterdag.  ,, We only know what our client told us yesterday''  What C. told him, he did not want to disclose. Head officer of justice Karin Janssen will decide today if the detention of C. will be prolonged with 8 days.

Monday, June 20, 2005 at 05:45 PM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/aruba_round_up.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 07, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
I never saw a "formal" announcement, but I remember reading this post on FOB:

On 1-16 “Freedom of Blog” Identity “MF” reported:

<QUOTE>

The Prosecutor m. Lugo* will now handle the case as of yesterday. She was the person that should have been handling the case. M. Janssen left the island after a formal complaint was brought forward against her at the prosecutor's office.

<END QUOTE>


http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2007_01.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 02:00:53 PM
I never saw a "formal" announcement, but I remember reading this post on FOB:

On 1-16 “Freedom of Blog” Identity “MF” reported:

<QUOTE>

The Prosecutor m. Lugo* will now handle the case as of yesterday. She was the person that should have been handling the case. M. Janssen left the island after a formal complaint was brought forward against her at the prosecutor's office.

<END QUOTE>


http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2007_01.html




Thanks Buckeye for both posts...I do remember Lugo now, not the lawyer though.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 07, 2008, 02:03:28 PM
Lugo was the Prosecutor at the Kalpoes search in May 2007 (Diario 5/14/07):

Dutch authorities, along with those of Aruba were present at the Kalpoe family home in Hooiberg, where they searched the house Saturday morning before the sun came up. At the arrival of the authorities along with prosecutor mr. Elvia Lugo they surrounded the house and then knocked at the door.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=26



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 02:16:02 PM
Lugo was the Prosecutor at the Kalpoes search in May 2007 (Diario 5/14/07):

Dutch authorities, along with those of Aruba were present at the Kalpoe family home in Hooiberg, where they searched the house Saturday morning before the sun came up. At the arrival of the authorities along with prosecutor mr. Elvia Lugo they surrounded the house and then knocked at the door.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=26




Thanks again Buckeye...Tamikosmom said she could not recall anything on Moss until November of 2007.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 07, 2008, 02:47:50 PM
Caps
You said last night that the 5th suspect is Rudy Croes' son....which one?  I want to see who it is and how you came to that conclusion...Please don't just throw that info out there and leave it...otherwise no one will even take it seriously.  Please fill in the blanks.

Shango point me to it and it is here were I left last night.

under reasech. I got allready the PM

BTW the PM son look like a doupple ganger of one of the kalpoes...look at the picture and compare....the one in the black that works in the watersport bussiness andis president of the Windsurf.

Caps it was rummored a few years ago the one of his son's raped the maid.
Has anyone ever heard of this?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 07, 2008, 02:53:40 PM
Caps
You said last night that the 5th suspect is Rudy Croes' son....which one?  I want to see who it is and how you came to that conclusion...Please don't just throw that info out there and leave it...otherwise no one will even take it seriously.  Please fill in the blanks.

Shango point me to it and it is here were I left last night.

under reasech. I got allready the PM

BTW the PM son look like a doupple ganger of one of the kalpoes...look at the picture and compare....the one in the black that works in the watersport bussiness andis president of the Windsurf.

Caps it was rummored a few years ago the one of his son's raped the maid.
Has anyone ever heard of this?


Hi Blonde, Yes! I have because I'm the one that found that info and the source that gave it to me. It's true sister - oh sooo true!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 07, 2008, 03:05:10 PM
LOL ROB we must have been in the same place, that this was talked about.

I have done hours of work looking for answers on this
.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

The 5th suspect was at his house....Simian says so...it was a small party...AT HIS HOUSE.

I give up!!   :gaah:


how could he have left? he wasn't there-there was no simple party at his house.....the partygoers need to be pinched-for perjury


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 03:06:57 PM
DirtyHand was not a child of Babylon

Was he a child of Arawak Nation!!!???


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 07, 2008, 03:09:08 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SatishOduber.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 07, 2008, 03:11:26 PM
LOL ROB we must have been in the same place, that this was talked about.

I have done hours of work looking for answers on this
.

We probably know the same person that knew this to be true LOL!!!

here's the little leg humper here

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ChitoOduber2.png)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 03:18:32 PM
Caps
You said last night that the 5th suspect is Rudy Croes' son....which one?  I want to see who it is and how you came to that conclusion...Please don't just throw that info out there and leave it...otherwise no one will even take it seriously.  Please fill in the blanks.

Shango point me to it and it is here were I left last night.

under reasech. I got allready the PM

BTW the PM son look like a doupple ganger of one of the kalpoes...look at the picture and compare....the one in the black that works in the watersport bussiness andis president of the Windsurf.

Caps it was rummored a few years ago the one of his son's raped the maid.
Has anyone ever heard of this?

Yes it was true and yhe famaly could do notting. There are other allegation against him, but they know that they can get away with it ... they are not going to hang theor offsprings.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 03:22:58 PM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

The 5th suspect was at his house....Simian says so...it was a small party...AT HIS HOUSE.

I give up!!   :gaah:


how could he have left? he wasn't there-there was no simple party at his house.....the partygoers need to be pinched-for perjury


So who do you think needs to be pinched....first names will surfice...Thank You!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 07, 2008, 03:23:14 PM
It was funny how the story morphed from the maid to an old girlfriend - as if that made it all ok!

When they're busted - they just switch all the victims around and next thing you know the Oduber kid is the victim of an overly aggressive old girlfriend.

Some most of these people make me physically sick.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SatishOduber.jpg)

I can bet there is a doppleganger here at play.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
It was funny how the story morphed from the maid to an old girlfriend - as if that made it all ok!

When they're busted - they just switch all the victims around and next thing you know the Oduber kid is the victim of an overly aggressive old girlfriend.

Some most of these people make me physically sick.


Hi Rob...Is this a 'new' story? I don't get out much and hadn't heard about it! TIA

Thanks for the pic...Klaas...don't like to look at those eyes! So Caps bought it with him anyways...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 03:46:57 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/GlendaOduber2.jpg)

http://www.sanavivadayspa.com/

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33844

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37339


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 03:49:05 PM
Klaasend: I have an idea

Put all the look alike side by side.

Natalee had a doppleganger

Statish had a doppleganger

who else where the victimes and lets compare


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 07, 2008, 03:52:36 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/GlendaOduber2.jpg)

http://www.sanavivadayspa.com/

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33844

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37339


where did she got the money to open a Spa ?  Some big payoff it must have been.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 03:54:58 PM
Caps…I have always thought there was a doppleganger…..

There is a gap in the timeline for the boys….

One of the Kalpoes might be let go...

Look at Satish’ timeline and description of events and then look at what Joran and Deepak say!

Guess that was why Satish wouldn’t sign PVs…And refused to comment on certain things! And no questions from 6/12 to 6/18 IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 04:00:38 PM
Not sure what he is or even if he is, but I would like to see a shorthaired, cleanshaven Freddy in the line-up!   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 07, 2008, 04:06:51 PM
It was funny how the story morphed from the maid to an old girlfriend - as if that made it all ok!

When they're busted - they just switch all the victims around and next thing you know the Oduber kid is the victim of an overly aggressive old girlfriend.

Some most of these people make me physically sick.


Hi Rob...Is this a 'new' story? I don't get out much and hadn't heard about it! TIA

Thanks for the pic...Klaas...don't like to look at those eyes! So Caps bought it with him anyways...LOL

Mum I found out about it on 4-16-2007 and made a small post about it on my blog. So, I would necessarily consider it new.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 07, 2008, 04:07:42 PM
It was funny how the story morphed from the maid to an old girlfriend - as if that made it all ok!

When they're busted - they just switch all the victims around and next thing you know the Oduber kid is the victim of an overly aggressive old girlfriend.

Some most of these people make me physically sick.


Hi Rob...Is this a 'new' story? I don't get out much and hadn't heard about it! TIA

Thanks for the pic...Klaas...don't like to look at those eyes! So Caps bought it with him anyways...LOL

Mum I found out about it on 4-16-2007 and made a small post about it on my blog. So, I would'nt necessarily consider it new.

self edit for typo


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 07, 2008, 04:17:29 PM
Thanks Rob...By new I meant in the last few weeks, so I had heard about it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 07, 2008, 04:26:28 PM
Glenson Oduber:

http://www.myspace.com/vitanovusspa

VITA NOVUS SPA ARUBA N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37340


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 05:13:35 PM
there was a prty but the party was a Casino Party, Big Shots, Big Weel,

The part goe-ers are not the kids but BUT the BIG GUNS...at the palace

How can you pinch big guns if it they are shielded from RC.

there is a way...but after we solve this.

The 5th suspect was at his house....Simian says so...it was a small party...AT HIS HOUSE.

I give up!!   :gaah:


how could he have left? he wasn't there-there was no simple party at his house.....the partygoers need to be pinched-for perjury


So who do you think needs to be pinched....first names will surfice...Thank You!


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 05:21:13 PM
Important others?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power (power=break alibi)
there will be 46 sacrifices




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 05:23:14 PM
re: flee to babylon.....with poison note$? jackpot? line of credit?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 07, 2008, 05:30:27 PM
Glenson Oduber:

http://www.myspace.com/vitanovusspa

VITA NOVUS SPA ARUBA N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37340

Looks like spa is located in one of the many mazes....this one is in the Hotel Rui.
http://vitanovusspa.com/About-Us.php

(http://vitanovusspa.com/albums_1a9ddb95ebcd07b65a530e71e3269e76/riu1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Finbar on April 07, 2008, 05:36:06 PM
#83 — November 12, 2005 @ 01:32AM — Orisha

Arubians are not to blame, however, when the polis, government, prosecutor, media, and socialites on the island allow the older men on the island to use their sons to lure and drug young girls for their old man sex parties and don't do a thing to stop or prevent it, then it is a problem which has been going on for years for which everyone who knows about it has turned a blind eye. It must be stopped, and if a boycott is necessary to accomplish that, then that is what needs to be done. These older sick pigs are the ones to blame and who Arubians should be made at. They are the ones giving Aruba a bad name, not Ms. Holloway's mother or family.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/06/09/103634.php

Several interesting comments on this page, but this one stands out.

"Even your own father." - DK

He was in the casino video with Nat, and JVDS.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 07:36:16 PM
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

The fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 07, 2008, 07:51:03 PM
For Mum

Posted by Pearl at BFN:

Posting just because I thought it interesting information.  This is from 24ora where Mr. Mos and others in ceremony for the local Rotary Club.  This part was written in English so copied just this bio info.....

HANS MOS:

Hans Mos is 49 years old, married and has a daughter of 7. In 1991 he

started as public prosecutor in Middelburg in the province of Zeeland.

Since 1995 he worked in Rotterdam and in 1996 he was especially assigned

to fight organized crime. Since 2000 he became team leader. In 2001 he

obtained his Master Degree Public Administration and since 2003 he is

teamleader at the National Office of Public Prosecutors in Rotterdam.

Since May 1, 2007 he is Chief Public Prosecutor in Aruba.

 :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 07, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Lala’s….Back to my question on the Marriott…Which Marriott?  The one Downtown or the one with the road of ‘white gold that is not paved’?  When did Melody see Joran downtown…Saturday or Sunday night? They circled around the block and made a stop where? Which one did the dots on the dish put them at?

They beeped all the way to Bill’s lodging’s?

Bill Marriott Jr.,  Marriott Corporation Chairman, Visits Hotel

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2005_1st/Feb05_RenAruba.html

The 559-room Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino Completes a $15 million Renovation

The resort, built by Metacorp, a local Aruba-based holding company….

Bill Marriott Jr. (sixth from right), Chairman of Marriott Corp., meets with
the Renaissance Aruba developer Eduardo de Veer  (left of Mr. Marriott)
and representatives of the hotel employees during the 15th Anniversary
celebrations in Aruba



It could also mean Bill Carson - BANK


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7679/image477ga6.jpg)
CATIRI STREET - A lot of apartments along this quiet street.


7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


ORANJESTAD - Saturday is a car in Catiri drove on a boulder. De bestuurder van de witte Toyota Yaris verloor de macht over het stuur, waarschijnlijk door een te hoge snelheid. The driver of the white Toyota Yaris lost power on the steering wheel, probably because of an excessive speed. De auto reed op de steen en ramde daarbij bijna het afdak van een snacktruck. The car rode on the stone and ramde nearly the shelter of a snacktruck. De politie was snel ter plaatse en riep een ambulance op om de chauffeur, die gewond was geraakt, te helpen. The police were quickly on the ground and called an ambulance to the driver, who was injured hit, to help.
http://tinyurl.com/54nunb

6A Catiri - 5th Gear Art Productions Aruba
 We found Sonia Lemminga Martis situated in front of the Royal Plaza Shopping Mall at the fruitmarket in Oranjestad selling both her and her son's original art and prints. I bought a lovely countryside scene that she painted from the tops of the Casibari Rocks and a painting of the California Lighthouse by her son. She is a very charming lady and was absolutely tickled that I had heard about her on the Internet. It was a pleasure for Randy and me to meet her. She is very talented. Her business card reads 5th Gear Art Productions - Tel/Fax: 297 871241
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip004.html

 




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 08:13:19 PM
Hi Everybody.  I've been reading fast and I think that I'm caught up. 

CAPS - Thanks for the confirmation about Steve Croes and Hendrick.  It was making LaLa and I a little crazy.

CAPS - Is Freddie "what ever his last name is" one of Rudy's illegitimate sons?

I thought that you would all get a laugh out of this article from a Curacao paper.

Aruba Urges Netherlands To End Holloway “Fairy Tales”
Wednesday, June 29th, 2005

WILLEMSTAD, 29/6/05 - Justice Minister Croes of Aruba wants the Dutch government to show official support to the island. He says fairy-tales about the disappearance of American schoolgirl Natalee Holloway are systematically appearing in the US media.
Croes is afraid of the consequences that the negative reports could have for American tourism on the island.

http://www.curacao.name/2005/06/

 
LaLa - thi is a link to a site where you can find street maps of Aruba.
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

Aruba Maps

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424188/posts?page=983

 
Steve has an uncle who's a radio celebrity.
Steve Croes (26-year-old), the fourth suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&;page=1151

This was really interesting...  

Joran Van Der Sloot Blog
Steve Croes was seen breaking into the Fisherman's Huts on the night of ... The Posner Group reportedly owns hotels and casinos on Aruba, Curacao and ...
joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005/09/things-are-definitaly-looking-up-joran.html - 261k -
 
CAPS - was there ancasino party going on at the Brickell while an additional small party was being held somewhere else?  Were there two parties that night?  Was Natalee taken to the party where Guido was the diceman and Steve Croes was in charge of the invitations?  Was Paulus attending the party at the Brickell Bay?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 08:24:33 PM
CAPS - I keep going back to who Joran switched with.  He didn't want to let his father down.  He didn't switch with Lorenzo or Valentjin, so he had to have switched with Paulus.  ::MonkeyConfused::  I just read Finbar's article about the old men pigs and how their younger sons gets girls for them.  Did Joran bring Natalee home for Paulus? Did Paulus kill Natalee and now the boys are covering for him?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Is this what was meant by "not your father".  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 08:43:31 PM
I'm sorry...I left the link off of the bottom of my previous post.

Joran Van Der Sloot Blog
Steve Croes was seen breaking into the Fisherman's Huts on the night of ... The Posner Group reportedly owns hotels and casinos on Aruba, Curacao and ...
joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2005/09/things-are-definitaly-looking-up-joran.html - 261k -  
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 08:58:30 PM
CAPS - I keep going back to who Joran switched with.  He didn't want to let his father down.  He didn't switch with Lorenzo or Valentjin, so he had to have switched with Paulus.  ::MonkeyConfused::  I just read Finbar's article about the old men pigs and how their younger sons gets girls for them.  Did Joran bring Natalee home for Paulus? Did Paulus kill Natalee and now the boys are covering for him?  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Is this what was meant by "not your father".  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:56 pm
There is a gap in the stories between father and son.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 09:50:27 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.




Colombo -

You have blown my mind.  Are you telling us that Joran and the Kalpoes took Natalee home and then Paulus and possibly the men took over?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Are you telling us that Paulus killed Natalee, got the boys to cover for him, and had Steve Croes and possibly Lorenzo (his other son) get rid of Natalee?  Oh My God. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 09:52:14 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.

Joran was on time for school... but Paulus was late for His teaching job at the school??? Is this Correct?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 09:58:53 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.




Colombo -

You have blown my mind.  Are you telling us that Joran and the Kalpoes took Natalee home and then Paulus and possibly the men took over?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Are you telling us that Paulus killed Natalee, got the boys to cover for him, and had Steve Croes and possibly Lorenzo (his other son) get rid of Natalee?  Oh My God. ::MonkeyWaa::


Take it easy SS..this is not new news...this is what Shango has been saying all along. Shango does not implicate Joran in anything...remember he's the scapegoat...he ran bleating....I guess that means afraid.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 10:13:30 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.




And then Paulus sat the boys down the next day and instructed them about the story to be told because they had been seen leaving C&Cs with Natalee.  Do Beth and Dave have this information?  Steve Croes helped Paulus, not Joran.  Rudy protected everyone because Steve is his nephew and Paulus and his other friends were the guilty ones.  The party goers that we worked on are the ones who did Natalee in.  That's how her hairbrush and things ended up at Lorenzo's house.  This coverup is worse than I had possibly imagined.  ::MonkeyWaa::



Colombo -

You have blown my mind.  Are you telling us that Joran and the Kalpoes took Natalee home and then Paulus and possibly the men took over?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  Are you telling us that Paulus killed Natalee, got the boys to cover for him, and had Steve Croes and possibly Lorenzo (his other son) get rid of Natalee?  Oh My God. ::MonkeyWaa::


Take it easy SS..this is not new news...this is what Shango has been saying all along. Shango does not implicate Joran in anything...remember he's the scapegoat...he ran bleating....I guess that means afraid.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 10:20:11 PM
My response disappeared.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Then Paulus sat the boys down the next day and told them the story to tell because they had been seen leaving C&Cs with Natalee.  Do Dave and Beth have this information.  Joran and the Kalpoes took her to Paulus and the rest of the party goers that we identified.  Steve Croes and Lorenzo helped Paulus, not Joran.  This is how Natalee's hairbrush and things ended up at Lorenzo's house.  This coverup is worse than I imagined.  What were Joran and the Kalpoes doing by the pond?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If he (Arawak King) is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 07, 2008, 10:29:51 PM
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not. [Arawak]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
pg 4:   Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note. (make book?)
Tell the cowboys!

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 10:42:57 PM
Did we decide who Dirty Hand is?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
Colombo...Is this anything like what You are trying to say about Your last post...

  « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:16:12 AM » 

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I know, cause, there really ARE Arawak Indians

and they are pagan cannibals that sacrafice

virgins to their gods.

According to their own numbers over

90% of Aruba's people are Arawak.

Just as Shango says, it boils down to

cowboys and indians.

Are Paulus and the Elders... Arawaks who seek Young  Virgins for sacrifice? Van Der Stratten knows what They do but is afraid of them....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 07, 2008, 11:13:39 PM
VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.

if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.

now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.

was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?


I don't know how long he has lived there and I'm not sure that he ever married Jeanet Gei.

JMO, but if he was related to Rudy's family, someone would have revealed that information when he was arrested. I mean I don't think everyone on Aruba is a Rudy fan.   :smt102
I don't know when this was originally posted, it caught my eye because of Finbars post a while back that said he'd read that SGC's father was in the judiciary.  The page that this information is on also has articles at the top from 2007 so it may not have been posted here at the time.  I'm not sure, but found it interesting.
SNIP:
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.
The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=seroe


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 11:16:22 PM
Colombo...Is this anything like what You are trying to say about Your last post...

  « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:16:12 AM » 

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I know, cause, there really ARE Arawak Indians

and they are pagan cannibals that sacrafice

virgins to their gods.

According to their own numbers over

90% of Aruba's people are Arawak.

Just as Shango says, it boils down to

cowboys and indians.

Are Paulus and the Elders... Arawaks who seek Young  Virgins for sacrifice? Van Der Stratten knows what They do but is afraid of them....


That sounds like Patti... :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 07, 2008, 11:20:03 PM
Colombo...Is this anything like what You are trying to say about Your last post...

  « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2008, 01:16:12 AM » 

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I know, cause, there really ARE Arawak Indians

and they are pagan cannibals that sacrafice

virgins to their gods.

According to their own numbers over

90% of Aruba's people are Arawak.

Just as Shango says, it boils down to

cowboys and indians.

Are Paulus and the Elders... Arawaks who seek Young  Virgins for sacrifice? Van Der Stratten knows what They do but is afraid of them....


That sounds like Patti... :roll:
It was Patti's post..but unfortunately it sounds like maybe it is what Shango was trying to say then...and now... Colombo ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 07, 2008, 11:29:32 PM
Did this happen at the Brickell Bay?

I can't believe that Julia Renfro was there.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 07, 2008, 11:47:15 PM
Did this happen at the Brickell Bay?

I can't believe that Julia Renfro was there.  ::MonkeyWaa::


This is all speculation on our part...drawing conclusions from things we have learned over the last 3 years.  Keep in mind that Caps version of Shango is just that at this point...his version of events.  Without any proof it will remain as Shango would say " cowboys and Indians".  Everything in this thread is pretty much a guessing game and based on rumor and speculation with some of us trying to put known facts in to make the pieces fit.  Shango and Simian both are easy to manipulate into various ways of thinking...that is why there are no cut and dried conclusions here.  We can say all day that Steve Croes is the 5th suspect and until you can tie him to what Simian says this 5th person did..he's still just as viable as all the others.  I can say that Shango meant ALE when he said Arawaks all day long, but until I can prove it...that is all it is...my opinion.  If I look up the word it has many meanings...native Indians of Aruba...government, police, etc. 

Many of our most brilliant posters have long told the tales of hidden societies that take young girls in Aruba for their pleasure...nothing yet has tied Paulus to any of it or even Joran for that matter.  Most likely, it is the best kept dirty little secret that everyone knows in Aruba and throughout the Caribbean.  Just keep in mind that Shango does not implicate Joran or the Kalpoes.  Neither does Simian.  Shango's villian is dirty hand and Simian's is 5th suspect.

"they left..they met around the pool..they didn't know what the father did...young lambdersloot will be scapegoat...deflowering of forbidden fruit..dirty hand walks in houses ...dirty hand knows..etc."

Just some things to keep in mind as you make your journey into the land of Shango...patience grasshopper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 08, 2008, 12:05:45 AM
VMS:
Correct but steve is an adult and left curacao to come and live here in Aruba. How long has he been living in Aruba.

if he came as a minor less then 18, his Mother and father would have to resgister them self for him to get register. and the names will be here.

now he married in Aruba, now the gei should have some info on him...his roots.

was hendrick croes the lawyer ever working in Curacao?


I don't know how long he has lived there and I'm not sure that he ever married Jeanet Gei.

JMO, but if he was related to Rudy's family, someone would have revealed that information when he was arrested. I mean I don't think everyone on Aruba is a Rudy fan.   :smt102
I don't know when this was originally posted, it caught my eye because of Finbars post a while back that said he'd read that SGC's father was in the judiciary.  The page that this information is on also has articles at the top from 2007 so it may not have been posted here at the time.  I'm not sure, but found it interesting.
SNIP:
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.
The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=seroe


Yes, there are still videos from that time period stating the same. IMO, it was before it was determined who SGC really was. I haven't seen anything to convince me he is related to Rudy.

LVR is still the 5th suspect, IMO. :laugh:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 12:08:39 AM
Thanks, LaLa.  It really does seem to make sense and I never did think that Joran and the Kalpoes built sandcastles.  How can this information be used to help Beth and Dave?  Are they in agreement with any of it?  Where does the FBI and our government fit into all of this?  I guess we will just have to wait until someone sings.  Hopefully the lamb who was sacrificed will reveal information during Beth's lawsuit.  If nothing else, it will keep the case in front of the world.  I have to feel that many Arubans have figured this out.  I was reading comments by a teenaged girl who knew Joran.  She was defending him and saying that he was upset at what was happening and went home.  Imagine what these truly evil men have done to the minds of their sons.  It's despicable.  Has CAPS helped us figure out who Dirty Hand is yet?  Was he saying DTKM?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 08, 2008, 01:01:11 AM
Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 01:17:34 AM
Thanks, LaLa.  It really does seem to make sense and I never did think that Joran and the Kalpoes built sandcastles.  How can this information be used to help Beth and Dave?  Are they in agreement with any of it?  Where does the FBI and our government fit into all of this?  I guess we will just have to wait until someone sings.  Hopefully the lamb who was sacrificed will reveal information during Beth's lawsuit.  If nothing else, it will keep the case in front of the world.  I have to feel that many Arubans have figured this out.  I was reading comments by a teenaged girl who knew Joran.  She was defending him and saying that he was upset at what was happening and went home.  Imagine what these truly evil men have done to the minds of their sons.  It's despicable.  Has CAPS helped us figure out who Dirty Hand is yet?  Was he saying DTKM?

Actually, nothing and yet everything fits into Shango and Simian and all the other code talkers.  You can make anything fit if you want to.  I doubt the FBI or anyone besides us even think Shango is worthy of discussion...it's pretty much cut and dried to logical thinkers...Natalee was last seen with Joran and the Kalpoes.  She never made it back to the hotel.  That tells me that the 3 suspects are still just that suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  If you can give any merit to the cryptic duo it would be the fact they attempted to shed light on a society that none of us normal people ever had a clue about...the corruption and subsequent cover up for a few elite that seem to have a lot of power and an island willing to allow them free reign at their own peril.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 01:18:40 AM
Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html

I did not hold you under a bright light to get all the info you have posted...but I am grateful...thanks little buddy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 08, 2008, 01:19:07 AM
LALA"S....I did not mean that I believed Patti's post only that I'm like Everyone else..I'm trying to figure out what Colombo is getting at.......so Here's back at Ya.... ::MonkeyRoll:: LOL  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 01:33:39 AM
LALA"S....I did not mean that I believed Patti's post only that I'm like Everyone else..I'm trying to figure out what Colombo is getting at.......so Here's back at Ya.... ::MonkeyRoll:: LOL  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Was that really Patti?   Wow!  I am good!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 01:36:10 AM
SS
I almost forgot...last I heard Rudy Croes' son was the 5th suspect according to Caps.  Still waiting for the details.  Not sure if it's the doppleganger one or one of the other two.  Details are a little fuzzy with me on that one.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 08, 2008, 01:37:03 AM
LALA"S....I did not mean that I believed Patti's post only that I'm like Everyone else..I'm trying to figure out what Colombo is getting at.......so Here's back at Ya.... ::MonkeyRoll:: LOL  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Was that really Patti?   Wow!  I am good!!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yep! It was from the Grey Whisperer Thread.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 08, 2008, 08:46:01 AM
Did this happen at the Brickell Bay?

I can't believe that Julia Renfro was there.  ::MonkeyWaa::
 
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 08, 2008, 09:42:56 AM
IMO Steve Croes holds some kind of key.
He was told to inject himself into this case, for a reason.
Nobody does this unless he was told to.
Could he be the 5th  suspect arrested in this case
I think we should look into this, Facts only

Steven (Seferino) G.Croes, 26
His Mother IMOLDA STATIA SALIANA
Steve Croes…DJ…worked at C&C’s.
from Curacao

DOB July 21, 1978

Divorced? and a small child. Mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.

Is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM?


Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer. (could he have owed a favor)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 10:24:55 AM
I asked this in the NAH thread...I am sure someone out there knows this answer.  We must determine if Steve was working that entire weekend or not.  I am thinking he did indeed work since it would have been a weekend that would be busy and need their party boat DJ for entertainment.  The hours of operation are important in determining if he could have been one of those guys that was chatting up the girls. Of course, this is my line of thinking and may be flawed when viewed in the grand scheme of things.


What are the hours of operation of the party boat the Tattoo that Steve Croes worked on?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 08, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/index.html

The link above is what the schedule is now.  I have a vague recollection of the schedule being discussed early on, but do not have anything saved to help you, Lala's.  I thought I recalled Tatoo didn't go out on Sundays, but that may not be fact.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 10:39:55 AM
Here is a little of what I have from the last time around on Steve. I will have to open all the links to see what else I have. And I have 'stuff' that is not organized!

From Sunfreak's Who's Who

Seferino “Steve”  Gregory Croes – age 26, DJ on party boat the Tatoo, who gave false testimony regarding the Holiday Inn Drop Off alibi.  Arrested 6-17-05, released 6-27-06.  He was fired from the Tatoo upon his release, and was hired by Carlos n Charlies in August 2005.  Reportedly he is back working at the Tatoo.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html

Steve Croes is a D.J. on the tattoo party boat. That`s 150-foot three-deck catamaran that sails just off the west coast of Aruba with partygoers on board, usually in the evenings. And he is the D.J. on that ship. But his boss, Marcus Williams (sic), has also told us that he is an experienced seaman, as well, Nancy.

PENHAUL: Exactly that cruise ship, called the tattoo party boat, like I say, a 110-foot catamaran, that usually leaves the pier in front of the Aruba Grand Hotel. That`s about 300 yards down the beach from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying. That boat leaves most evenings at around 8 o`clock in the evening, gets back about 12 o`clock.

The staff, the crew of the boat, are usually leaving the pier and going home around 1 o`clock. But according to the owner, that boat generally doesn`t go out on a Sunday night, unless, of course, there`s a special party booked. You`ll remember that Natalee Holloway went missing late Sunday night, very early Monday morning -- Nancy?

GRACE: Karl, do we know if there was a special party booked that Sunday night that she went missing?

PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 08, 2008, 11:01:33 AM
Not about Steve.

Interesting yearbook collection of Natalee look-a-likes.  Don't think I really buy into the victim switch, but there are several to choose from.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/photos/similargirls.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 11:08:09 AM
This is all I can put my hands on right now, busy, busy bee and my day just got busier!...LOL

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html

PENHAUL: Well, we don`t know for sure that it was, in fact, electronic surveillance. That is one theory that is being put out, because police themselves are being tight-lipped.

The police commissioner, Van Der Straaten, did tell me that the name came up during interrogation in part of the investigation. When I got back to him and asked him about the possibility of electronic surveillance, we wouldn`t go further into this. Of course, we do know that the investigators and police are playing cards very close to their chest in order not to prejudice their investigation at this stage, Nancy.

PENHAUL: He`s a 26-year-old, originally born on Curacao, but he has lived on Aruba for many years now. He`s a recent divorcee. He`s the father of a 2-year-old son. He was living in the town of Santa Cruz. That`s a town in the center of the island near the national park. He was living at that house with his grandfather and his grandmother, living next door to his uncle. His uncle is a retired police chief inspector, Nancy.

PENHAUL: Police and prosecutors haven`t told us of any connection. But talking to Steven Croes` boss, Marcus Williams, he says that he believes that he knew one of the Kalpoe brothers through the Internet Cafe. Now, we know that Deepak, the eldest of the Kalpoe brothers, the 21-year- old, worked at the Cyberzone Internet Cafe. And it seems as it`s there where he knew Steve Croes, Nancy.

MARCUS HIGGINS, FOURTH SUSPECT`S EMPLOYER: He had told me that he had a friendship with one of the -- a superficial friendship, in the sense that I believe they went to the same Internet caf' and that he did know one of the suspects. And that was all that he had ever told me about his association with this disappearance

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

Croes' boss on the Tattoo cruise ship, Marcus Williams, told CNN the boat generally does not go out on Sunday nights.
Even when the boat does go out on Sundays, it returns by midnight, Williams said.
Police commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said Croes' arrest came after he was named by one of the three suspects being held.
PENHAUL: We don`t have that answer yet. We are looking into that to see what the boat`s movements were. We do know from the owner, Marcus Williams (sic), that Steve Croes did have a key to the boat. But the owner also tells us that the boat has a special electronic security system on it and he doesn`t believe that Steve Croes would have been able to take the boat without his permission. And he has described Steve Croes as a model employee, Nancy.

 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ng.01.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/index.html

The link above is what the schedule is now.  I have a vague recollection of the schedule being discussed early on, but do not have anything saved to help you, Lala's.  I thought I recalled Tatoo didn't go out on Sundays, but that may not be fact.

Let's work from that point then.  If the schedule is the same (knowing what I know now, I am guessing the hours have been modified somewhat since 2005) then they were partying on Fridays until midnight...which does not allow for Steve Croes to be available to be with a "bunch of guys" in the casino BEFORE they all went to CnC...so I would say that knowing they also party on Saturday in Aruba and that Saturday night would be the best time to take a dinner cruise and dance...then Steve would be working that night also.  So I am leaving him out of the equation as one of the "guys" that McKinney was referring to.  I am still going with Joran, Freddy, GVC, Koen, Sander, Jaime...etc.  as being the ones in the casino.  Knowing there are statements to the effect that Joran was indeed in the casino the day or so before (fights, etc.) then we can assume that Steve Croes was not there.

This does not necessarily eliminate him as the 5th suspect but does narrow things down as to being the "boyfriend" since he was most likely working on Friday and Saturday when Simian says that Natalee met a "cool and crazy" guy.  I know a  number of people want to make anyone fit...but I want it to fit perfectly before I concede it is who it is...get my drift? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 08, 2008, 11:23:01 AM
09-11-2005, 06:03 PM 
soleil 

Join Date: Jun 2005
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Steve Croes the dj telling his story

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Just got an aruban magazine "exclusivo" with Steve Croes giving his story about what happend. I wanted to share with you all, it was in the local language and i translated it as is:


Steve Croes
For curiosity i got myself locked up and after that without a job.


It was a name that travelled around the world as one of the suspects behind the Natalee Holloway case. For 10 days Steve Croes was locked up at the polisstation in Playa, sleeping on a concrete bed, thinking about how God can help him for somebody to believe that he didn't know anything about the Holloway case.

About 6 years ago Steve Croes came to Aruba to live. In Curacao he was a dj at a night club and it was till 3 years ago he got the job he wanted. I always said that my job as a discjocky on the boat Tattoo was unique, because they paid me to do what i liked and to "have fun". His taste for music is nothing strange considering that his mother is a singer and his father has a band and also was a dj in his younger years.

Steve's envolvement in the Holloway case started when he visited an internet cafe at Playa. There was where he heard Deepak talking on the phone with another person making comments about how they dropped of the american teenager at a hotel and she fell. The girl didn't want any help but they helped her to get up. Deepak also said that even that he knows his phone is tapped he doesn't worry because he knows he is telling the truth.
What Steve just heard made him curious and decided to go to Deepak and decided to lie to him saying that he was in the neighborhood of the hotel and that he saw them dropping of the girl. I told Deepak this just to see what else he might say to me but when Deepak realized what i said he told me that i could be a witness for him and his friends then. I backed out but obviously they used my lie to protect themselves to the polis what resulted in my arrest for 10 long days. Steve was asleep when hard knocking outside waked him up. Several polis were outside and they informed him that he is arrested in connection with the Holloway case.

10 days of reflection on a lie that did cost a lot
The 10 days that Steve stayed locked up at the polis station were everything but not nice. The bed of concrete, solitaire, mosquito's and the darkness where my biggest problems to deal with. I prayed everyday asking God to please let somebody believe me that i had nothing to do with this case and to let me go. There were moments that i lost faith of being released. Finally when i got my liberty it was a moment of joy and sadness at the same time as my lawyer informed me that the lawyer of my ex-boss had informed him that they wanted to end my contract. I had given the boat Tattoo a bad name and i am not the appropiate face to keep working for them. As i am not a problematic person i accepted their decision and took a 1 month salary and my vacation days they had offered me.
Today Steve is happier. He just got a job at Carlos & Charlies, as a discjockey again, the job the he loves. What he learned: Curiosity kills the cat!

mail@exclusivoaruba.com
 
Link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=802106#post802106)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
Not about Steve.

Interesting yearbook collection of Natalee look-a-likes.  Don't think I really buy into the victim switch, but there are several to choose from.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/photos/similargirls.htm

To buy into the look-a-like scenario we would need to know the whereabouts of the supposed mistaken girl and her look-a-like at all times.  For instance...I will use Caps theory here:  "N" for Natalee and "LL" for Look-a-like

If N was taken because they thought she was LL...then where was LL at the time all this took place?  Who was LL with? 

Was she even in the group that made the deal with the "guys" to go to CnC that Sunday night?

Was LL always with N when they were on the beach those two days before. ( I am saying 2 days, but I know they arrived on Thursday).

If N was mistaken as LL, when did this happen?  Who was around at the time both N and LL were together?

Did LL also meet these "guys" in the casino or did LL never really meet them and only N and her other friends?

Did LL lose any money in the casino on either Friday or Saturday night that would target her? 

What did N do that LL did also that would put her at risk of being mistaken as LL? 

Is LL taller than N and do they really look that much alike once you have watched them at your table for two days?

Was LL at CnC on Sunday and did she hang out with N that night?  What was LL wearing and could it have been mistaken for anything N was wearing? 

These and a few more questions would need to answered (not saying they can't) before we can actually go with N was mistaken for LL story...regardless of who was her father or what connections he had with the mob or anything else.  If these guys are as slick as I think...they would not make that big a mistake without something prompting it in some way.  I know I am not making any sense..but this is how I think...flawed as it may be.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 11:37:52 AM
09-11-2005, 06:03 PM 
soleil 

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Netherlands

 
Steve Croes the dj telling his story

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Just got an aruban magazine "exclusivo" with Steve Croes giving his story about what happend. I wanted to share with you all, it was in the local language and i translated it as is:


Steve Croes
For curiosity i got myself locked up and after that without a job.


It was a name that travelled around the world as one of the suspects behind the Natalee Holloway case. For 10 days Steve Croes was locked up at the polisstation in Playa, sleeping on a concrete bed, thinking about how God can help him for somebody to believe that he didn't know anything about the Holloway case.

About 6 years ago Steve Croes came to Aruba to live. In Curacao he was a dj at a night club and it was till 3 years ago he got the job he wanted. I always said that my job as a discjocky on the boat Tattoo was unique, because they paid me to do what i liked and to "have fun". His taste for music is nothing strange considering that his mother is a singer and his father has a band and also was a dj in his younger years.

Steve's envolvement in the Holloway case started when he visited an internet cafe at Playa. There was where he heard Deepak talking on the phone with another person making comments about how they dropped of the american teenager at a hotel and she fell. The girl didn't want any help but they helped her to get up. Deepak also said that even that he knows his phone is tapped he doesn't worry because he knows he is telling the truth.
What Steve just heard made him curious and decided to go to Deepak and decided to lie to him saying that he was in the neighborhood of the hotel and that he saw them dropping of the girl. I told Deepak this just to see what else he might say to me but when Deepak realized what i said he told me that i could be a witness for him and his friends then. I backed out but obviously they used my lie to protect themselves to the polis what resulted in my arrest for 10 long days. Steve was asleep when hard knocking outside waked him up. Several polis were outside and they informed him that he is arrested in connection with the Holloway case.

10 days of reflection on a lie that did cost a lot
The 10 days that Steve stayed locked up at the polis station were everything but not nice. The bed of concrete, solitaire, mosquito's and the darkness where my biggest problems to deal with. I prayed everyday asking God to please let somebody believe me that i had nothing to do with this case and to let me go. There were moments that i lost faith of being released. Finally when i got my liberty it was a moment of joy and sadness at the same time as my lawyer informed me that the lawyer of my ex-boss had informed him that they wanted to end my contract. I had given the boat Tattoo a bad name and i am not the appropiate face to keep working for them. As i am not a problematic person i accepted their decision and took a 1 month salary and my vacation days they had offered me.
Today Steve is happier. He just got a job at Carlos & Charlies, as a discjockey again, the job the he loves. What he learned: Curiosity kills the cat!

mail@exclusivoaruba.com
 
Link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=802106#post802106)

The above certainly lends credence to the story that one of the 3 perps said something that got Steve arrested...so it was Deepak that did it and knowing all the time it was not true...I can't decide who was dumb and who was dumber. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 11:41:17 AM
I did it again!  I have run everyone off...well poop!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 08, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Nancy Grace for June 29, 2005, CNNHN

Aired June 29, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

Very quickly, tonight in a primetime exclusive interview, we are very happy to have with us Mr. Steve Croes. Now, Steve Croes is the deejay off that party boat, I think it was called "The Tattoo." And it is parked not too, too far from the Holiday Inn where Natalee Holloway was staying.

Mr. Croes, thank you for being with us.

STEVE CROES, FORMER SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE: Hi. How are you doing?

GRACE: I`m great. Mr. Croes, how did you land behind bars in connection with Natalee?

S. CROES: Well, it was a mistake that I did, by telling the cops something that wasn`t true. And I really like -- how you say, you know, if I could change it, I change it, like, right away. But I`m glad that I prove everybody that I`m innocent. I didn`t have nothing to do in there. So that`s about it.

GRACE: Well, Mr. Croes, what did you tell the cops to make them arrest you?

S. CROES: You know, what exactly I told the cops is -- you know, I didn`t really like to go into those details. Why? Because, you know, it`s like something that...

GRACE: Mr. Croes, Mr. Croes, Mr. Croes, isn`t it true that you were at the Internet cafe and heard a Kalpoe brother on the phone cooking up a story?

S. CROES: Yes.

GRACE: Now what was the story he was cooking up?

S. CROES: The story that everybody knows here on the island, which they dropped the girl at the hotel and left her there. And that`s it.

GRACE: So you heard a Kalpoe brother on the phone at an Internet cafe cooking up this story. And you told the cops, right?

S. CROES: Yes.

GRACE: Now, when you were behind bars, how did you convince the cops that you didn`t have anything to do with it, that you overheard it?

S. CROES: Well, I just start talking everything the truth, like where I was that day, the day I had, like, a night shift on the boat, like as a watchman. So I was sleeping on the boat. And, yes, that I wasn`t even there.

GRACE: Is it true that you have been fired from your job over this whole thing?

S. CROES: Yes. Yesterday during the afternoon I had, like, this meeting with my ex-boss and his lawyer, and they told me that I was fired.

GRACE: Steve, while you were behind bars, did you speak to or overhear Van Der Sloot or the Kalpoe brothers talking?

S. CROES: No, I didn`t -- I don`t even know these guys. The only thing that I know is what I heard, that this guy talking on the phone. But I don`t know these guys. They don`t know me.

During my confrontations with the cops with these guys, they also admitted that they don`t know me. So I just put myself in trouble without knowing anything. So it was like a stupid mistake that I did.

GRACE: Steve, when you overheard the Kalpoe brother talking on, I guess, the cell phone at the Internet cafe, was it Deepak or Satish Kalpoe?

S. CROES: Deepak, Deepak, yes.

GRACE: OK. What was it exactly that he was saying, that you overheard?

S. CROES: Just the story that they dropped the girl at the hotel. The girl fell from the car, and they tried to help her to go back into the lobby, and that was the story.

GRACE: And let me go back to Karl Penhaul, CNN correspondent, standing by there with Steve Croes. Karl, that was the Kalpoe brothers` and Joran Van Der Sloot`s original story to police, exactly what Steve Croes told them.

PENHAUL: It was exactly that, Nancy. In fact, talking to David Kock, the defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, he backs up what Steve is, in fact, saying, in that Deepak and Joran Van Der Sloot, first of all, cooked up a lie to cover their tracks that night in two or three days subsequent to Natalee`s disappearance.

They then contacted Satish and explained the cover story to him. What David Kock says at that stage is that they invented this cover story because they realized that Natalee had disappeared. And although David Kock still insists on the innocence of Satish Kalpoe, he does say that all three boys were very worried that they were the last three to have seen a girl who had then disappeared.

GRACE: You know, my question to you, though, regarding this whole story, Karl Penhaul -- you`re telling me that Joran Van Der Sloot`s story has changed yet again. What`s his new story?

PENHAUL: Well, David Kock, again, the defense attorney for Satish Kalpoe, has a right to see a number of statements from the other suspects which are presented to him as evidence against his client. He told us that in the file that he had, as of Sunday, bearing in mind that he gets witness statements and suspect statements approximately four days after they`re made, he said, until that point, he had eight different statements by Joran Van Der Sloot, four of them were substantial changes in the story.

He said he expected to get more paperwork through, bearing in mind, as I say, that he`s getting the statement four days late.

GRACE: Steve Croes, when the police came to you, where were you when you were arrested?

S. CROES: I was at home.

GRACE: Did they try to get you to talk?

S. CROES: No, they just came. They tell me that I was arrested for the reason, like, for the confession, for confession stuff. And then that they give me my rights. And then I was, like, in a boxer short.

So I tell them, "Please, let me just get a t-shirt and a short." And they went with me to my room. And I put on my shirt, and then I went with him.

GRACE: Once you got to the police station, did they try to get a statement out of you?

S. CROES: Yes. The first thing they wanted to do is, like, for me to, like, talk. And they wanted to see if I knew anything, like, for real or something like that.

GRACE: Did they ever hit you, touch you, threaten you, harm you in any way?

S. CROES: Not at all, not at all. They treat me good. They treat me good.

GRACE: When you realized -- you had to know about Natalee`s disappearance when police came to arrest you. When you realized they had zeroed in on you in Natalee`s disappearance, what did you think?

S. CROES: Excuse me, I didn`t understand the question so good.

GRACE: When you realized police thought you had something to do with Natalee disappearing, what did you think?

S. CROES: Well, I was relaxed the whole time, because I know that I didn`t have nothing to do. But I was, like, a little scared.

GRACE: OK. Let me take you back one last time to this Internet cafe where you overheard Deepak Kalpoe talking on the phone. Could you tell that he was trying to make up a story?

S. CROES: No. I couldn`t tell that, because I believed him, you know what I mean? So I couldn`t tell if it was true or a lie. But he was just talking like so serious that, you know, anyone could believe what he was saying there.

GRACE: Do you know who he was talking to?

S. CROES: No. I don`t even know the guy. I`m just a client of the Internet cafe where I was there. So I didn`t even know the guy.

GRACE: OK.

Back to Karl Penhaul. Karl, do we have any reason to believe or hope that the Aruban police have gotten the cell phone records from Deepak Kalpoe to prove what Steve Croes is saying is correct and to tell us who Deepak Kalpoe was talking to?

PENHAUL: We do know that the Aruban police and investigators have seized cell phone and internet records. In my conversations with David Kock, the defense attorney for one of the three suspects, he was referring specifically to cell phone records from earlier, the night and early morning of Natalee`s disappearance.

That when supposedly Joran Van Der Sloot, according to cell phone records, called Deepak Kalpoe. And according to Deepak Kalpoe`s statements in that conversation, which was about 2:40 a.m., Joran said, "I`ve left Natalee at the beach. I`m walking home."

And then, about 40 minutes later, what the cell phone records show is that Joran Van Der Sloot sent a text message to Deepak Kalpoe saying, "I`ve arrived home." And then, of course, the Internet records which show, at the time that the text message was sent at about 3:20 a.m., at that time, Deepak Kalpoe was at his house and on the Internet in a chatroom at the time, Nancy.

GRACE: You know, the telephone records, the Internet cafe records, are going to come back and hit these guys in the head like a boomerang.

I want to thank Steve Croes. He is with us tonight in an exclusive interview. As you recall, Croes is the deejay from the party boat that has been behind bars on Natalee`s disappearance. He is out tonight, and has explained his involvement, or lack thereof.

Thank you, Mr. Croes, for being with us.

Also, thank you to Karl Penhaul.

When we come back, will a legal loophole allow the killer, the alleged killer, of 9-year-old Jessie Lunsford walk free? Stay with us.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CROES: They were accusing me for some things that`s don`t think there was, like, necessary, to accuse me of, or something like that. They treat me good, but you know, you`re still in prison, you know what I mean?

The first day that I went to the second day they arrest me, they were getting a little hard. Why? Because they wanted me -- they`re doing their job. I understand, you know. They maybe want to get the truth from my mouth or something like that. But besides that, it was, like, just cool, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/ng.01.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2008, 11:48:58 AM
Here is how I understand the relationship to Steve Croes works.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBARELANTIONSHIPS3.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 12:02:45 PM
Rob
There is no blood relative connection to that scenario...how can that be?  I have been told that Steve is related to Rudy by way of Hendrick by way of someone else...by...oh nevermind.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
Lala's...there is something in the 302s about other MB'ers going on the Tattoo and also there is something about some of Nat's friends waving to some guys they had met, who were on the beach, I think the next hotel over. Not sure of the days of all that, but pretty sure I got it from the PVs....I will have to check and see


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2008, 12:09:33 PM
Rob
There is no blood relative connection to that scenario...how can that be?  I have been told that Steve is related to Rudy by way of Hendrick by way of someone else...by...oh nevermind.  ::MonkeyConfused::

could be true, I just have not heard that, so I didn't include it. That is just what I know.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 12:10:32 PM
Mum
Did you see Kermit's answer to the Catiri question that he posted last night?  I swear I did not force the info out of him...my light bulb was burned out. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 12:16:23 PM
Lala's...there is something in the 302s about other MB'ers going on the Tattoo and also there is something about some of Nat's friends waving to some guys they had met, who were on the beach, I think the next hotel over. Not sure of the days of all that, but pretty sure I got it from the PVs....I will have to check and see


Lala's...it is in Watson's 302...can't copy here is the link

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/FBI_forms/watson.htm

Yes...I need to get back with you on that! I am supposed to be washing windows LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 12:20:46 PM
To be the 5th suspect Natalee must meet this guy in the casino.  I am not posting this in context again since no one listens to me anyway...but the conversation about the 5th suspect begins with the story of the boyfriend and the alibi.  When the other posters can't get Simian to spit it out they go to another poster, but Simian sticks with it and tries to get their attention back by telling the "cool and crazy guy" story to them.  I am wondering now if this could have been LL and not N that did this?


Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2008, 12:21:38 PM
I spoke to Grande and he is willing to try and find the person arrested in Florida on drug charges, but can not do a blanket search.

does anyone have the surname of the alleged arrestee?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 12:21:42 PM
Lala's...there is something in the 302s about other MB'ers going on the Tattoo and also there is something about some of Nat's friends waving to some guys they had met, who were on the beach, I think the next hotel over. Not sure of the days of all that, but pretty sure I got it from the PVs....I will have to check and see


Lala's...it is in Watson's 302...can't copy here is the link

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/FBI_forms/watson.htm

Yes...I need to get back with you on that! I am supposed to be washing windows LOL


Why?  They will just get dirty again...trust me I know this. LOL Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 12:27:41 PM
I spoke to Grande and he is willing to try and find the person arrested in Florida on drug charges, but can not do a blanket search.

does anyone have the surname of the alleged arrestee?

Well, I thought I saw Rodriguez posted, but I am a little pre-occupied with that name?
I thought it may have been ******* who posted a pic, but Rob I am not positive! It was in the NAH thread, a day or so ago! Maybe search *******'s posts, he hasn't posted that much lately! At least you'll zoom in on the page of the post!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2008, 12:30:55 PM
I spoke to Grande and he is willing to try and find the person arrested in Florida on drug charges, but can not do a blanket search.

does anyone have the surname of the alleged arrestee?

Well, I thought I saw Rodriguez posted, but I am a little pre-occupied with that name?
I thought it may have been ******* who posted a pic, but Rob I am not positive! It was in the NAH thread, a day or so ago! Maybe search *******'s posts, he hasn't posted that much lately! At least you'll zoom in on the page of the post!

thanks... another hunt.... just what the doctor ordered . . . . lmao ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 12:31:45 PM
Caps said it was the person that Joran said was Daury that was arrested.  The one that said he was in Holland at the time. So that is a start, I guess


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2008, 12:37:17 PM
Caps said it was the person that Joran said was Daury that was arrested.  The one that said he was in Holland at the time. So that is a start, I guess

thank you Lala's... so it is Daury Rodriguez... the Fransisco looked more like a gangbanger than Rodriguez...but anyway..

let me see what happens.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 08, 2008, 01:11:32 PM
Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.html

I did not hold you under a bright light to get all the info you have posted...but I am grateful...thanks little buddy.

ribbit


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2008, 01:47:25 PM
A little background on the Aru-bay website.  According to the website it was started so that locals could share there videos about Aruba.

These two Tattoo videos were uploaded to the Aru-bay site on April 3, 2005.  I find them both very strange:

smallmovie5

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/th_smallmovie5.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/?action=view&current=smallmovie5.flv)

smallmovie6

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/th_smallmovie6.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/?action=view&current=smallmovie6.flv)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 08, 2008, 02:03:34 PM
I asked this in the NAH thread...I am sure someone out there knows this answer.  We must determine if Steve was working that entire weekend or not.  I am thinking he did indeed work since it would have been a weekend that would be busy and need their party boat DJ for entertainment.  The hours of operation are important in determining if he could have been one of those guys that was chatting up the girls. Of course, this is my line of thinking and may be flawed when viewed in the grand scheme of things.


What are the hours of operation of the party boat the Tattoo that Steve Croes worked on?


While looking for that info I found this

Croes was a DJ on the Tattoo, which offers nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.
 
"I've never had problems with him," Wiggins told the AP. "He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job."

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 08, 2008, 02:07:53 PM

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


The msg at near the Arashi Beach, might be Koen and/or Sander Gottenbros.
2:00 Racquet Club area
2:00 Santa Lucia area (Steve Croes lives in this area and so does Jario Dirksen).
2:40 – Fisherman Huts area/Marriott
3:15 – Joran’s home


STEVE CROES:
And Joran even mentions him in his first statement, that Steve Croes is the witness to seeing him drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and the two security guards coming up to take her.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/

June 26 Paulus released/he goes home; Croes' release ordered/he walks out the next day
June 27, 2005 – Steve Croes is released


Steve Croes
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=20567795

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=49776544&Mytoken=632772749752022192

Steve Croes:
June 9, 2005 - Deepak states: "that I was contacted a few days ago by a boy named Steve.

June 10, 2005 Deepak states: talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her u

JUDGES:
Judge J.S. Kuiperdal – JOI with Jones & Johns, extended custody
The original Judge who made the unpopular and bumbling decision to release PVDS, the Kalpoes, (also Steve Croes and Max Bibi Arends) is the one John S. Kuiperdal, prior to the appointment of Curacao Judge Bob Wit to overseen decisions.   

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal is the Judge who ruled to keep the security Guards in detainment.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html


June 15, 2005 Search of van der Sloot home
June 15, 2005 - Greta van Susteren goes to Aruba.

June 16, 2005 - Steve Croes went to Polis and told his story of seeing Deepak drop off Natalee at HI

June 16, 2005 Maxito Arrendz questioned (he provides alibi for Lorenzo)

June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes arrested. His attorney is HOMEN, Eleni Lotter
because by 6-16 J. SLOOT, DEEPAK, SATSIH had recanted the “Holiday Inn“ alibi-lie.

June 17,2005 - Paulus questioned

June 28, 2005 - Steve Croes fired from job at Tattoo

KELLY: Actually, there's a rather large mix still. I mean, I know Joran's attorneys have been stating that he doesn't know this individual, which I have no reason to doubt. But I've also been told that GVC has involvement with other people that are involved with the three principal suspects. So if you sort of bridge the gap there and look at Croes, you can try to speculate a little bit there as to what's going on.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

KELLY: I think that's right. But you know, when you're talking about the first 48 hours, and you know, looking for counsel right way, I think that's what happened. Once she reviews the dossier, she herself may decide — and you know, rightfully so — there is a conflict there and have to advise him to seek other counsel.

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, things are obviously done differently in Aruba, but you would at least hear — the prosecutor would give everybody the heads-up in court that there's a potential conflict. You wouldn't even get the dossier to the lawyer so another lawyer can be brought in before there's that problem.

KELLY: Well, I don't know if it's the prosecutor's obligation, especially down there. I think it's the obligation of the attorney representing the client to make that determination. - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html
_____________________________________________
Even when the boat does go out on Sundays, it returns by midnight, Williams said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/mi...een/index.html
http://websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=39141&page=3&pp=25

June 15, 2005 - Steve Croes witness statment
June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes witness statement
June 18, 2005 - Steve Croes witness statment
June 21, 2005 - Steve Croes witness statement
Aug. 29, 2005 - Steve Croes witness statment
Jan. 31, 2006 - Steve Croes witness statement
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Kris
CRS is right. Checkme told us two days before it happened about the Steve Croes arrest anf the Lorenzo Van Sijn questioning. Also told us from the beginning that Deepak, the cool, calm, calculating Kalpoe has more responsibility than it seemed.
Comment by Lucy | June 21, 2005, 12:46 pm
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Lorenzo is a friend of Steve Croes, the Kalpoes and Joran, that was broght in for questioning along with Max Arends, after Steve Croes was detained. For more info, check Brqaking News #10 and #11, at the discussion forum. There is also information on these guys at Misfitting.com
Comment by Lucy | June 21, 2005, 1:18 pm
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Joran's book: P228

I had reserved my holidays and didn’t know about the search for me. I have been placed under pressure by someone from Bubali, two inspectors. They wanted me to make a statement. You ask me why I’ve waited with making a statement. First of all two guards had been arrested who proved to be innocent. The person that worked on the boat and who was a DJ (Steve Croes) also didn’t have anything to do with it(…)

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Steve Croes wore a RedWings t-shirt
Paul Brough Red Wings shirt

Steve Croes DJ aboard the Tattoo, Carlo's n' Charlie's, Mambo Jambo


Steve Croes plays with a band named, 'The Yellow Jackets'.


Steve Croes was picked up for questioning - he lives in Cas Ariba (Santa Cruz)
Another witness (MAX) was picked up as well and he is from Saveneta.
(His name was never released to the press)


GEI, Jeanet…. STEVE CROES ex-girlfriend and mother of his son, the 3-year-old Steve junior.

HOMEN, Eleni Lotter-…. Aruban court-appointed attorney for STEVE CROES. When CROES was released 6-27 HOMEN said, “The judge agreed there is not enough proof he was involved to keep holding him.”
WEIJERS, Berry…. Aruban attorney for STEVE CROES.



 6-17 STRAATEN told CNN that STEVE CROES was arrested after one of the three youths named him


WIGGINS, Marcus…. Aruban. Employed STEVE CROES on “Tatoo.” The boat is an eating, dancing, and alcohol drinking “party boat” that is 110’ long with 33’ beam. Accommodates 294 passengers with 6 crew. (The boat was for sale before NATALEE disappeared) WIGGINS fired STEVE CROES after CROES arrest and subsequent 6-27 release.


SOLOGNIER, Rufo…. Aruban, Next-door neighbor of Steve CROES who said he hardly ever sees CROES because he, “sleeps all day, and works at night.”


Sunday, June 26
8:30? am..........Judge from Curacao arrives in Aruba
9:30 am............Joran & Paulus van der Sloot, Deepak & Satish Kalpoe in court
10:40 am..........Steve Croes in court
1:30 pm............Judge orders Steve G. Croes released Monday due to lack of evidence in disappearance

The master of a rave party is the DJ
Steve Croes is a DJ
Steve Croes has access to the Tattoo, BUT he owns his own boats.

HoneyPot is the band Steve Croes is in:
Tony Grifasi - downroad@sopris.net (970)945-7930
http://web.archive.org/web/20030602211113/honeypotmusic.com/audio.html


IamTito
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: aruba
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
I hear shango.. Steve Croes told me he acted plain stupid.. overheard a conversation.. and was arrested.. lost his job... He was never involved.. the authorities firmly believe that..
The ones further away from this case are now steve croes, micky John and Abraham Jones..



On 6/17 Steve Croes was arrested. Steve Croes said that he did not know the Kalpoe
brothers and that he overheard them talking and so he wanted to be a nice guy
and that is why he made up the story. But again,we have seen pictures of Steve with these guys.



STEVE CROES:
There is reason to believe that Mr. Croes was involved in the lie because he was at Carlos and Charlies on that fateful night. One source close to this story claims that Satish was taken home before Joran was picked up and that the three boys were in fact Deepak, Steve and Joran. This source claims that Steve was at the cyber cafe when Joran called Deepak. Most agree that Mr. Croes supplied the XTC which was used to lower Natalee's inhibitions and get her into the car with the young men.
posted by Breezy at 6/02/2005 11:14:00 AM
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/06/reward-offered-for-natalee-holloway.html

Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY
JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05


 de Palm Pier is the place of tender laying for Tattoo moored in front of the pier. De Palm Pier is between Radisson and Aruba Grand Hotel. The Radisson is one property north of Wyndham. Tattoo "supposed" place of staying 5/30 for Steve Croes. He says he stayed there to "sleep -- like a night watchman."
2:43 p.m. June 6, 2005

October 12, 2005
Suspect Steve Croes To Sue Beth Twitty
http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/jossycroes.wmv



KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Talking to Stephen Croes's uncle, he says he's a quiet guy. We went down to the pier and talked to Marcus Williams, he's boss of the Tattoo Party Boat. He described Steve Cruz as a model employee, but he also did tell us that Steve Croes is well able to pilot boats and to drive boats. He also said that he believes that Steve Croes knows one of the other three suspects in custody, because they met at one of the Internet cafes. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/acd.01.html


dkpen
I have been told by an extremely reliable source that Steve Croes is protected by the Mafia. This is why he can't be touched. If he talks, he dies.

I have often wondered who the ALE had in their corner who cover up things. We need to have another look at Edwin "Papito" Commenencia. I hear his "hands are very dirty".

Link with info on Edwin Commencia. He was one of the police who was looking for the late night jogger. I wonder if they found him and disposed of since no one really knew who this jogger was/is? Or did they give a name or initials?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-27970
_________________




Kalpoes are related to Dompig (cousins)
Dompig's son Michael Dompig
Steve Croes uncle is retired polis officer Solinger
Geoffrey van Cromvoirt's sister is polis officer
Geoffrey's father works in security for the hotels, his father owns Security Company and is a former retired polis man from Holland. VCB Security operates at several places on the Antilles. The Holiday Inn is one of their customers.
Frank Rizzo is friends with Bernadina
Charles Raffini is friends with Satish - he works at the 95 Radio station
Steve Croes’ phone number was in Deepak’s cell phone
Steve Croes and Geoffrey van Comvoirt are in several tourists pictures
Anita van der Sloot is friends with the polis chief's wife.
Jan van der Straaten, Karin Janssen, Rudy Croes, Judge Kuperdil, Arlene Shippers, Ben King Vocking are friends of  Paulus van der Sloot and worked with him.
Dompig and Julia Renfro are friends
Julia Renfro is on the International Friends of Aruba that took over the searches for Natalee in Aruba.
Rudy Croes is the god-father to the youngest van der Sloot boy.
Charles Croes owns a cell phone rental company. On his board of directors is Lincoln Gomez.
Antonio Carlos is an attorney who represents Joran van der Sloot in Aruba. Lincoln Gomez and Antonio Carlos are on the same board for Finance in Aruba.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 08, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Kermit you forgot to, ribbit


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 08, 2008, 02:42:02 PM
Posted at RU:

Daury R. vast in Amerika’

• OM ontkent connectie met zaak Natalee Holloway • Verdacht van drugssmokkel

Daury R. is aangehouden in de Verenigde Staten. Het Openbaar Ministerie op Aruba ontkent een connectie met de zaak van Natalee Holloway. De voormalige getuige in de zaak Natalee Holloway zit sinds een maand vast in de Verenigde Staten, op verdenking van drugssmokkel. Dat bevestigt het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba tegenover Metro. Het OM meldt dat er geen verband bestaat tussen de aanhouding van de 20-jarige Arubaan Daury R. en de zaak van het verdwenen meisje. Joran van der Sloot noemde de naam ‘Daury’ in de inmiddels legendarisch geworden uitzending van Peter R. de Vries. Daarop werd Daury R. aan de tand gevoeld door het OM op Aruba, dat hem vervolgens weer liet gaan. R. stelde op het tijdstip van de verdwijning niet op Aruba te zijn geweest en niet in bezit te zijn geweest van een bootje, waarmee hij het lichaam naar zee zou hebben gebracht en gedumpt volgens Joran. Voorlichter Ann Angela van het OM op Aruba benadrukt dat de aanhouding van R., zo vlak na het verhoor in de zaak Holloway, niets te maken heeft met de zaak van het verdwenen meisje: “Het is een toevallige samenloop van omstandigheden.” De voorlichter laat weten dat justitie op het eiland geen belangstelling heeft om verder met de Amerikaanse autoriteiten in contact te komen over Daury R. “Er heeft ons ook geen nieuwe informatie over de zaak bereikt vanuit de VS.”

JOOST VAN DER WEGEN
redactie@metronieuws.nl

Rough translation:


Daury R. it has been apprehended in the United States. The Public Prosecution Service on Aruba denies a connection with the matter of Natalee Holloway. The former witness in the case Natalee Holloway has been stuck since a month in the United States, on suspicion of drug smuggling. That confirms the Public Prosecution Service (Public Prosecution Service) on Aruba compared with underground railway. Public Prosecution Service communicates that there no link exists between the adjournment of the 20 person whose birthday it is Arubaan Daury R. and the matter of the disappeared little girl. Joran of of the ditch named the name `Daury in meanwhile legendary become the retransmission of Peter R. freeze. Then Daury R. became. felt to the cog by Public Prosecution Service on Aruba, to which him vervolgens pay attention go. R. did not put at the time of disappearance on Aruba have been to be and in possession have been of a small boat, with which he will have brought the body to sea and dumped according to Joran. Voorlichter Ann Angela of Public Prosecution Service on Aruba emphasises that the adjournment of R., this way shortly after the verhoor in the matter Holloway, nothing to do has with the matter of the disappeared little girl: It is an occasional coincidence of circumstances. The voorlichter lets know that justice on the island has to no interest further with the American authorities in contact come concerning Daury R. Us have reached new information also no on the matter from the US.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 03:14:10 PM
Kermit
Thanks once again.  Seems the more we run around the more it all comes back to what we all knew in the very beginning.  I have been doubting my theories for a few weeks now, but each time you bring me right back into reality.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 03:21:15 PM
I know I will get thrown completely out of his forum with this but...what if...considering Simian is talking about the 5th suspect here (leave the assumptions about who is 4th and 5th for just a minute) and how he met Natalee in the beginning...could this be reference to Steve losing his job and not to Paulus....just a thought...not saying it's true...just saying...proving my point that just about anyone will fit certain aspects of Siman's description but never all of it perfectly.


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 03:42:58 PM
I am going to prove that reading Simian and Shango in context is vital to solving the riddles. The rest of you can just laugh at me if you want...I guess it's just obvious to me for some reason...

crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:42 pm

Simian - variety is the spice of life. I think the sex slave trade is very possible.



Response to crs from Simian:  notice the amount of time that passed between these two comments.

Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:50 pm

I don’t think the sex slave trade is anything at all possible. If Aruba were to be part of a sex-slave ring…we really DO SUCK at that. I mean the last person to disappear was a junkie in 1998.



In context it makes perfect sense...to me anyway.  One additional example for contemplation:



Question directed to Simian:
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:52 pm

Simian-so you think that NH was murdered?


Answer to above question:

Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm

There’s not even a trace of her. At this point I am inclined to believe in a theory that has been going around on the island, but that I find difficult to post here.


Further response to Simian's above comment:
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:03 pm

Simien:
How can you possibly find it hard to post anything here! Pls. tell me/us what is going around on the island!



In context you can see that there are two people conversing here and not a super secret code war going on.  Am I making any sense or should I just slink off into the sunset?  (Like that would happen. LOL)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 04:27:51 PM
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7679/image477ga6.jpg)
CATIRI STREET - A lot of apartments along this quiet street.


7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


ORANJESTAD - Saturday is a car in Catiri drove on a boulder. De bestuurder van de witte Toyota Yaris verloor de macht over het stuur, waarschijnlijk door een te hoge snelheid. The driver of the white Toyota Yaris lost power on the steering wheel, probably because of an excessive speed. De auto reed op de steen en ramde daarbij bijna het afdak van een snacktruck. The car rode on the stone and ramde nearly the shelter of a snacktruck. De politie was snel ter plaatse en riep een ambulance op om de chauffeur, die gewond was geraakt, te helpen. The police were quickly on the ground and called an ambulance to the driver, who was injured hit, to help.
http://tinyurl.com/54nunb

6A Catiri - 5th Gear Art Productions Aruba
 We found Sonia Lemminga Martis situated in front of the Royal Plaza Shopping Mall at the fruitmarket in Oranjestad selling both her and her son's original art and prints. I bought a lovely countryside scene that she painted from the tops of the Casibari Rocks and a painting of the California Lighthouse by her son. She is a very charming lady and was absolutely tickled that I had heard about her on the Internet. It was a pleasure for Randy and me to meet her. She is very talented. Her business card reads 5th Gear Art Productions - Tel/Fax: 297 871241
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip004.html

 




Mum

Didn't want you to miss this.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 08, 2008, 05:33:25 PM
Ocean Explorer just logged into NAH thread...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 06:00:58 PM
These people are just vile.  That island is a sick quagmire and it sounds like there are an awful lot of people who are drug addicted.

Steve Croes (26-year-old), the fourth suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&;page=1151

On the front page, the story for Aruba is about a family that was murdered and their house was set on fire.  The son is drug addict and is being held by ALE on suspicion of murder, arson, and manslaughter.  The son works as announcer at the radio station Top FM.

I wonder if there is a Croes connection.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 06:12:19 PM
Patti posted this on the front page.  Do we know anything about this?

It’s important to note that Charles Croes’ cell
phone records place him at the beach behind the
Marriott at 3 a.m. - along with Joran, Paulus
and, ofcourse, Steve Croes… RIGHT at the scene
of the crime!

If Joran was with Natalee while she was sick,
could these three men (Paulus, Charles and Steve)
be the ones that stole the fisherman’s cage?

Things that make ya go….. hmmmmmm.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 06:16:07 PM
07-10-2003, 10:51 PM (http://www.aruba.com/forum/f8/using-digital-camera-camcorders-aruba-6195/)

frank
 

Posts: n/a  Re: using digital camera and camcorders in Aruba

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Lenny,
Yes, we are located in Aruba. Our complete address is:
DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A
Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels.
Our telephone is 0297-5877376
You can also contact us by email at dvdland@surfaruba.com





Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA


YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 06:17:00 PM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 08, 2008, 06:47:38 PM
I had this saved link doesn't work
I was doing some searching and ran across a posting at RWV...it was about the day Natalee went missing and Beth and her group went to Aruba on the McWane plane with McWane President G. Ruffner Page, Jr on board...the article also said maybe they were suppose to nab Virginia O'Neal Page and got Natalee by mistake...has anyone else heard this? who is Virginia Oneal Page?
Also, way back...there was talk of the McWane plane being on the island the day before Natalee disappeared...does anybody remember this? I have been talking about this with another poster and they also remembered something about this...
http://www.riehlworldview.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 07:46:07 PM
I had this saved link doesn't work
I was doing some searching and ran across a posting at RWV...it was about the day Natalee went missing and Beth and her group went to Aruba on the McWane plane with McWane President G. Ruffner Page, Jr on board...the article also said maybe they were suppose to nab Virginia O'Neal Page and got Natalee by mistake...has anyone else heard this? who is Virginia Oneal Page?
Also, way back...there was talk of the McWane plane being on the island the day before Natalee disappeared...does anybody remember this? I have been talking about this with another poster and they also remembered something about this...
http://www.riehlworldview.com




I read somewhere that the jet was on Aruba the day before and that Virginia Page actually returned to Alabama on her grandfather's jet, the day before the rest.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 07:48:10 PM
CAPS once asked us about one of the girls leaving the day before the rest.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: COLOMBO on April 08, 2008, 08:45:32 PM
I am going to prove that reading Simian and Shango in context is vital to solving the riddles. The rest of you can just laugh at me if you want...I guess it's just obvious to me for some reason...

crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:42 pm

Simian - variety is the spice of life. I think the sex slave trade is very possible.



Response to crs from Simian:  notice the amount of time that passed between these two comments.

Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:50 pm

I don’t think the sex slave trade is anything at all possible. If Aruba were to be part of a sex-slave ring…we really DO SUCK at that. I mean the last person to disappear was a junkie in 1998.



In context it makes perfect sense...to me anyway.  One additional example for contemplation:



Question directed to Simian:
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:52 pm

Simian-so you think that NH was murdered?


Answer to above question:

Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm

There’s not even a trace of her. At this point I am inclined to believe in a theory that has been going around on the island, but that I find difficult to post here.


Further response to Simian's above comment:
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:03 pm

Simien:
How can you possibly find it hard to post anything here! Pls. tell me/us what is going around on the island!



In context you can see that there are two people conversing here and not a super secret code war going on.  Am I making any sense or should I just slink off into the sunset?  (Like that would happen. LOL)



except when he uses words like "affair?"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 08:53:58 PM
Patti posted this on the front page.  Do we know anything about this?

It’s important to note that Charles Croes’ cell
phone records place him at the beach behind the
Marriott at 3 a.m. - along with Joran, Paulus
and, ofcourse, Steve Croes… RIGHT at the scene
of the crime!

If Joran was with Natalee while she was sick,
could these three men (Paulus, Charles and Steve)
be the ones that stole the fisherman’s cage?

Things that make ya go….. hmmmmmm.


Did anyone ask Patti how she knew about Charles Croes cell phone records? Where did she see them?

Also, Caps has asked several times about the Page connection...I was exploring it earlier today in here.  I think there was info posted concerning this person a few pages back.  If I have time I will look for them.  Remember Page works for McWane...the same group that provided the jet for Beth and Co.  I think the same jet that returned a daughter the day before.  Mistaken identity is still just speculation without evidence...still waiting.  I don't think anything short of a news media report would hold water on this theory....except maybe an eye witness...which might be possible.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 08:55:14 PM
I am going to prove that reading Simian and Shango in context is vital to solving the riddles. The rest of you can just laugh at me if you want...I guess it's just obvious to me for some reason...

crs on June 22nd, 2005 2:42 pm

Simian - variety is the spice of life. I think the sex slave trade is very possible.



Response to crs from Simian:  notice the amount of time that passed between these two comments.

Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:50 pm

I don’t think the sex slave trade is anything at all possible. If Aruba were to be part of a sex-slave ring…we really DO SUCK at that. I mean the last person to disappear was a junkie in 1998.



In context it makes perfect sense...to me anyway.  One additional example for contemplation:



Question directed to Simian:
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 2:52 pm

Simian-so you think that NH was murdered?


Answer to above question:

Simian on June 22nd, 2005 2:59 pm

There’s not even a trace of her. At this point I am inclined to believe in a theory that has been going around on the island, but that I find difficult to post here.


Further response to Simian's above comment:
Jake on June 22nd, 2005 3:03 pm

Simien:
How can you possibly find it hard to post anything here! Pls. tell me/us what is going around on the island!



In context you can see that there are two people conversing here and not a super secret code war going on.  Am I making any sense or should I just slink off into the sunset?  (Like that would happen. LOL)



except when he uses words like "affair?"

No, actually it doesn't...not to me.  Simian was still conversing with another poster...that was my point and only my point.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 09:23:47 PM
Lala’s…I didn’t miss it …..I MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank You Kermit and Lala’s!

I didn’t miss the ones on Steve though!

Thank you Klaas for bringing the videos over!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 08, 2008, 09:28:10 PM
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7679/image477ga6.jpg)
CATIRI STREET - A lot of apartments along this quiet street.


7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


ORANJESTAD - Saturday is a car in Catiri drove on a boulder. De bestuurder van de witte Toyota Yaris verloor de macht over het stuur, waarschijnlijk door een te hoge snelheid. The driver of the white Toyota Yaris lost power on the steering wheel, probably because of an excessive speed. De auto reed op de steen en ramde daarbij bijna het afdak van een snacktruck. The car rode on the stone and ramde nearly the shelter of a snacktruck. De politie was snel ter plaatse en riep een ambulance op om de chauffeur, die gewond was geraakt, te helpen. The police were quickly on the ground and called an ambulance to the driver, who was injured hit, to help.
http://tinyurl.com/54nunb

6A Catiri - 5th Gear Art Productions Aruba
 We found Sonia Lemminga Martis situated in front of the Royal Plaza Shopping Mall at the fruitmarket in Oranjestad selling both her and her son's original art and prints. I bought a lovely countryside scene that she painted from the tops of the Casibari Rocks and a painting of the California Lighthouse by her son. She is a very charming lady and was absolutely tickled that I had heard about her on the Internet. It was a pleasure for Randy and me to meet her. She is very talented. Her business card reads 5th Gear Art Productions - Tel/Fax: 297 871241
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip004.html


Mum

Didn't want you to miss this.

Legal Owners of Tattoo:  Sinbad Charters N.V.

SINBAD CHARTERS N.V. 
 
Business address NOORD 128-P, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  SINBAD CHARTERS N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  23 JUNE 1992 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
CROES, ROLANDO JUAN; 
Residing in  CATIRI 7, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  ARUBA on 16 FEBRUARY 1948 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  23 JUNE 1992 
Authority  FULL 
   
WIGGINS, MARC ALAN; 
Residing in  TURIBANA 43-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., ITHACA, NEW YORK on 27 NOVEMBER 1950 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JUNE 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 09:30:52 PM
Pita...Thank You!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 08, 2008, 09:32:25 PM
Pita...Thank You!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Your welcome!!     ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 09:33:49 PM
Pita...Thank You!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Yes!!! Thank you!  Also thanks for posting that photo of SC for me in NAH...that is the one.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 09:37:11 PM
Pita...Thank You!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Yes!!! Thank you!  Also thanks for posting that photo of SC for me in NAH...that is the one.

Anyone else watch a movie today?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 08, 2008, 09:37:43 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NATALEELOOKALIKES4-8-2008.jpg)

I see Mackin listed, but two girls are not identified. Anyone know if either is Page?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 09:38:46 PM
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7679/image477ga6.jpg)
CATIRI STREET - A lot of apartments along this quiet street.


7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


ORANJESTAD - Saturday is a car in Catiri drove on a boulder. De bestuurder van de witte Toyota Yaris verloor de macht over het stuur, waarschijnlijk door een te hoge snelheid. The driver of the white Toyota Yaris lost power on the steering wheel, probably because of an excessive speed. De auto reed op de steen en ramde daarbij bijna het afdak van een snacktruck. The car rode on the stone and ramde nearly the shelter of a snacktruck. De politie was snel ter plaatse en riep een ambulance op om de chauffeur, die gewond was geraakt, te helpen. The police were quickly on the ground and called an ambulance to the driver, who was injured hit, to help.
http://tinyurl.com/54nunb

6A Catiri - 5th Gear Art Productions Aruba
 We found Sonia Lemminga Martis situated in front of the Royal Plaza Shopping Mall at the fruitmarket in Oranjestad selling both her and her son's original art and prints. I bought a lovely countryside scene that she painted from the tops of the Casibari Rocks and a painting of the California Lighthouse by her son. She is a very charming lady and was absolutely tickled that I had heard about her on the Internet. It was a pleasure for Randy and me to meet her. She is very talented. Her business card reads 5th Gear Art Productions - Tel/Fax: 297 871241
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip004.html


Mum

Didn't want you to miss this.

Legal Owners of Tattoo:  Sinbad Charters N.V.

SINBAD CHARTERS N.V. 
 
Business address NOORD 128-P, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  SINBAD CHARTERS N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  23 JUNE 1992 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
CROES, ROLANDO JUAN; 
Residing in  CATIRI 7, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  ARUBA on 16 FEBRUARY 1948 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  23 JUNE 1992 
Authority  FULL 
   
WIGGINS, MARC ALAN; 
Residing in  TURIBANA 43-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., ITHACA, NEW YORK on 27 NOVEMBER 1950 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JUNE 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   


So is this Croes that is part owner/manager of the Tattoo related to Steve? Rudy? Hendrick?  Anyone?  Where are all the genealogy bunch tonight? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 08, 2008, 09:42:25 PM
Maybe Caps knows if Rolando and Steve Croes are related.   :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
Not sure just who he is, I wonder if he is on the Lions list...will check!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 09:55:42 PM
Not finding much, but the Chamber....anyone esle find anything on him?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NATALEELOOKALIKES4-8-2008.jpg)

I see Mackin listed, but two girls are not identified. Anyone know if either is Page?

If my source is correct and they almost always are...Page would be on the right at bottom.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 08, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
Lala's...what do you make of 7 Catiri and the 'peeps' that supposedly do their business there?

I wonder how many more are out there?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 08, 2008, 10:32:41 PM
Kermit you forgot to, ribbit

ribbit


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 08, 2008, 10:35:06 PM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 08, 2008, 10:42:55 PM

CROES   ROLANDO JUAN
www.arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 08, 2008, 10:52:14 PM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)






Is his grandfather's name Carlos?  Does anyone have any idea where Charles Croes could fit into the family.  I keep thinking about Patti's post on the front page.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 10:55:11 PM
Lala's...what do you make of 7 Catiri and the 'peeps' that supposedly do their business there?

I wonder how many more are out there?

I would say this is no longer a game...it's a racket.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 08, 2008, 10:57:44 PM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)






Is his grandfather's name Carlos?  Does anyone have any idea where Charles Croes could fit into the family.  I keep thinking about Patti's post on the front page.

I was hoping you would tell me. LOL I want to know how Patti has seen Charles Croes cell phone records.  She must have read it and I would really like to know if it is true.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: hotping on April 08, 2008, 11:05:41 PM
Lala's Here is another post by Patti from the Grey Whisperer Thread...You and I both asked Her for more details then Klaas locked the thread before Patti responded....How do We know that Charles Croes did not have anything to do with the planning of the trip for the MB kids He could have worked with the Travel Agent from the Aruba end....Just a thought

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2008, 08:00:28 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey! 

I would image that alot of Croes are Arawak.

I don't know everything, but I'm more than

sure that Steve Croes was up to his ears

in the abduction of Natalee...

So was Charles Croes,

IMO

I often wonder if Shango was referring to

the Croes when he makes reference to the

birds being on the wire, etc.

The cell phone records indicate that

Joran, Steve Croes, Paulus and Charles Croes

were in the vacinity of The Marriott (beach)

around 3 am.

Charles Croes, who had PLANNED the trip

to Aruba for the group of kids!!!?!?!

Lub Ya!

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Quote from: Patti on March 30, 2008, 08:00:28 PM
Hey! 

I would image that alot of Croes are Arawak.

I don't know everything, but I'm more than

sure that Steve Croes was up to his ears

in the abduction of Natalee...

So was Charles Croes,

IMO

I often wonder if Shango was referring to

the Croes when he makes reference to the

birds being on the wire, etc.

The cell phone records indicate that

Joran, Steve Croes, Paulus and Charles Croes

were in the vacinity of The Marriott (beach)

around 3 am.

Charles Croes, who had PLANNED the trip

to Aruba for the group of kids!!!?!?!

Lub Ya!

Patti

What did Charles Croes have to do with the PLANNING OF THE TRIP for the group of kids...please give details...Thanks!   
 
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2008, 12:54:43 AM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)






Is his grandfather's name Carlos?  Does anyone have any idea where Charles Croes could fit into the family.  I keep thinking about Patti's post on the front page.

I was hoping you would tell me. LOL I want to know how Patti has seen Charles Croes cell phone records.  She must have read it and I would really like to know if it is true.

I haven't seen anything at all anywhere about Charles Croes cell phone.  I have no idea where Patti came up with that.  I do not believe it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2008, 12:58:08 AM
Carlos Croes - Aruba Lions Club

http://tinyurl.com/4cbyjh


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 12:58:51 AM
Lala's Here is another post by Patti from the Grey Whisperer Thread...You and I both asked Her for more details then Klaas locked the thread before Patti responded....How do We know that Charles Croes did not have anything to do with the planning of the trip for the MB kids He could have worked with the Travel Agent from the Aruba end....Just a thought

   Re: GREY WHISPER POSTS
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2008, 08:00:28 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey! 

I would image that alot of Croes are Arawak.

I don't know everything, but I'm more than

sure that Steve Croes was up to his ears

in the abduction of Natalee...

So was Charles Croes,

IMO

I often wonder if Shango was referring to

the Croes when he makes reference to the

birds being on the wire, etc.

The cell phone records indicate that

Joran, Steve Croes, Paulus and Charles Croes

were in the vacinity of The Marriott (beach)

around 3 am.

Charles Croes, who had PLANNED the trip

to Aruba for the group of kids!!!?!?!

Lub Ya!

Patti 
 
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Quote from: Patti on March 30, 2008, 08:00:28 PM
Hey! 

I would image that alot of Croes are Arawak.

I don't know everything, but I'm more than

sure that Steve Croes was up to his ears

in the abduction of Natalee...

So was Charles Croes,

IMO

I often wonder if Shango was referring to

the Croes when he makes reference to the

birds being on the wire, etc.

The cell phone records indicate that

Joran, Steve Croes, Paulus and Charles Croes

were in the vacinity of The Marriott (beach)

around 3 am.

Charles Croes, who had PLANNED the trip

to Aruba for the group of kids!!!?!?!

Lub Ya!

Patti

What did Charles Croes have to do with the PLANNING OF THE TRIP for the group of kids...please give details...Thanks!   
 
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The person that planned the trip had done so several years in a row.  I don't think CC had anything to do with it...but then again what do I know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 09, 2008, 03:33:04 AM
Hi LaLA:

Been very bussy today, research.

reading the 2 pages of post and analyzing what has been written, I see some strange thing.

2:00 Santa Lucia area (Steve Croes lives in this area and so does Jario Dirksen).

Steve Croes was picked up for questioning - he lives in Cas Ariba (Santa Cruz)

Steve Croes plays with a band named, 'The Yellow Jackets'.

HoneyPot is the band Steve Croes is in.

It seems that you have 2 Steve Croes Mixed up.....We need photos ID's

Do you have the exact adress to compare it to the DBase.






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 09, 2008, 03:46:31 AM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)






Is his grandfather's name Carlos?  Does anyone have any idea where Charles Croes could fit into the family.  I keep thinking about Patti's post on the front page.


Need an Address to look it up

Looked up Charles but    Charles only with croes = none

There are charles A --Charles Z

Need more info to define the SQL Search


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 04:37:23 AM
Lala's...what do you make of 7 Catiri and the 'peeps' that supposedly do their business there?

I wonder how many more are out there?

I would say this is no longer a game...it's a racket.



Racket-eer-ing!

Found 11 Catiri addresses through the Cs in the records.

When I first checked out our Frederick Arends, I found a myspace or similar, and there were pics of a family guy with 2 precious little kids. I never went back and looked for it as I did not want to post because of the kids. Also found records for some computer courses he had done.

So are they setting up phony businesses in a real person's name? (doppelgangers).
Is this similar to what they do with the hotel rooms?

Now I have to go back and find just who that woman was that went to all those seminars in Florida on money laundering, but I do recall she worked for CMB Bank, Kermit. Even posted the links for it, remember the search bought up off-shore banking and the money laundering conference!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 05:04:49 AM

Thought she was a Croes...LOL....didn't find what I found last time, will look if anyone thinks it is important! Just haven't searched her name yet!

12th Annual International Money Laundering Conference & Exhibition ...Big Show Conference Header ... Money Laundering Conference. Testimonials. “Excellent. ... Maria R. Croes Caribbean Mercantile Bank NV, Oranjes, Aruba ...
www.moneylaunderingconference.com/2007/default.aspx 

Bill and Arlene are here!

http://www.cmbnv.com/management.php


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 06:47:19 AM
SS and Hotping re Patti's posts...many of which are still waiting moderation. I have seen some bonzer ones late at night in the Musings thread. Also spent time ONCE debunking what she posted on the suspects' vehicles, which was incorrect.

MO...the posts need backing up...until then I'll keep OldFart's bag of salt handy. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 09, 2008, 08:00:56 AM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)



[/quote

Cros spelling is different than Croes.  J/b





Is his grandfather's name Carlos?  Does anyone have any idea where Charles Croes could fit into the family.  I keep thinking about Patti's post on the front page.


Need an Address to look it up

Looked up Charles but    Charles only with croes = none

There are charles A --Charles Z

Need more info to define the SQL Search


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 08:58:42 AM
(http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7679/image477ga6.jpg)
CATIRI STREET - A lot of apartments along this quiet street.


7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


ORANJESTAD - Saturday is a car in Catiri drove on a boulder. De bestuurder van de witte Toyota Yaris verloor de macht over het stuur, waarschijnlijk door een te hoge snelheid. The driver of the white Toyota Yaris lost power on the steering wheel, probably because of an excessive speed. De auto reed op de steen en ramde daarbij bijna het afdak van een snacktruck. The car rode on the stone and ramde nearly the shelter of a snacktruck. De politie was snel ter plaatse en riep een ambulance op om de chauffeur, die gewond was geraakt, te helpen. The police were quickly on the ground and called an ambulance to the driver, who was injured hit, to help.
http://tinyurl.com/54nunb

6A Catiri - 5th Gear Art Productions Aruba
 We found Sonia Lemminga Martis situated in front of the Royal Plaza Shopping Mall at the fruitmarket in Oranjestad selling both her and her son's original art and prints. I bought a lovely countryside scene that she painted from the tops of the Casibari Rocks and a painting of the California Lighthouse by her son. She is a very charming lady and was absolutely tickled that I had heard about her on the Internet. It was a pleasure for Randy and me to meet her. She is very talented. Her business card reads 5th Gear Art Productions - Tel/Fax: 297 871241
http://www.visitaruba.com/guestarea/tripreports/trip004.html

 






ARUBA - ART
http://www.geocities.com/rlemminga/

FIFTH GEAR ENTERPRISE
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=21511


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 09:06:42 AM
LOOK AT THE NAME ON THE TRASH CAN AT STEVE CROES HOUSE

(http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1313/stevecroestrashcanbr5.jpg)






Is his grandfather's name Carlos?  Does anyone have any idea where Charles Croes could fit into the family.  I keep thinking about Patti's post on the front page.


Need an Address to look it up

Looked up Charles but    Charles only with croes = none

There are charles A --Charles Z

Need more info to define the SQL Search

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=32092


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 09:13:57 AM
Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 09:17:31 AM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 09:21:19 AM
Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.


Good Morning, Mum.

That would be great. Maybe Caps could clear this up...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 09:31:00 AM
Hi LaLA:

Been very bussy today, research.

reading the 2 pages of post and analyzing what has been written, I see some strange thing.

2:00 Santa Lucia area (Steve Croes lives in this area and so does Jario Dirksen).

Steve Croes was picked up for questioning - he lives in Cas Ariba (Santa Cruz)

Steve Croes plays with a band named, 'The Yellow Jackets'.

HoneyPot is the band Steve Croes is in.

It seems that you have 2 Steve Croes Mixed up.....We need photos ID's

Do you have the exact adress to compare it to the DBase.






Maybe you could ask around and find out which one of our Steves is the right one.  You mean we have had the wrong one all this time?  Boy!  Steve was really busy in his psare time...DJ at party boat until after midnight and then playing in a band.  Which Steve did I mix up?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 09:35:39 AM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...


vms...wasn't he arrested for domestic violence?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 09:40:02 AM
Hi LaLA:

Been very bussy today, research.

reading the 2 pages of post and analyzing what has been written, I see some strange thing.

2:00 Santa Lucia area (Steve Croes lives in this area and so does Jario Dirksen).

Steve Croes was picked up for questioning - he lives in Cas Ariba (Santa Cruz)

Steve Croes plays with a band named, 'The Yellow Jackets'.

HoneyPot is the band Steve Croes is in.

It seems that you have 2 Steve Croes Mixed up.....We need photos ID's

Do you have the exact adress to compare it to the DBase.






Maybe you could ask around and find out which one of our Steves is the right one.  You mean we have had the wrong one all this time?  Boy!  Steve was really busy in his psare time...DJ at party boat until after midnight and then playing in a band.  Which Steve did I mix up?  TIA


Morning Lala's...I am beginning to think everyone on Aruba has a doppleganger...LOL

Two Guidos...do we have the right one ther?

Two Steves...thank goodness there is only one Julia!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 09:41:45 AM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...


vms...wasn't he arrested for domestic violence?  TIA

Mum,

I have heard domestic violence, drugs and caught on the beach with no pants. I dunno?  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 10:00:37 AM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...


vms...wasn't he arrested for domestic violence?  TIA

Mum,

I have heard domestic violence, drugs and caught on the beach with no pants. I dunno?  :smt102


LOL...I remember the no pants!  Why do I feel 'a major friend' discussion coming on?  LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 10:08:57 AM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...


vms...wasn't he arrested for domestic violence?  TIA

Mum,

I have heard domestic violence, drugs and caught on the beach with no pants. I dunno?  :smt102


LOL...I remember the no pants!  Why do I feel 'a major friend' discussion coming on?  LOL
::MonkeyHaHa::

FWIW, Glenda claims the mutual friend was Claudio Stamper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 09, 2008, 10:12:02 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/MBrook/sy5jx0.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 10:13:29 AM
Maybe when Caps comes back he will explain why he threw Jairo Dirkson's name out there as well....

I can't be running all over the web without a good reason!!!

Seems we have more players in this saga than we need already! ::MonkeyConfused::

Now I am confused: Stamper...Williams....ruffner Page!!1 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 10:15:59 AM
Good Morning Blonde...I was wrong...It's 'the other girl'...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 09, 2008, 10:22:36 AM
Good Morning MumInOhio
I have been cleaning up my photobucket  So I could find pictures faster.
  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 10:24:50 AM
Good Morning MumInOhio
I have been cleaning up my photobucket  So I could find pictures faster.
  ::MonkeyCool::


Good for you...my computer is a mess...needs re-organizing! I don't know how I can find anything!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 10:29:50 AM
Claudio Stamper
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/stamper.jpg)

general manager of Universal Aviation Aruba, N.V.
Stamper owns his own jet maintenance company, Jet International.

http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/terminal.html

JET INTERNATIONAL
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19225

UNIVERSAL AVIATION ARUBA N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34076





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 10:46:12 AM
My mind is racing with thoughts.  Patti also posted this on the front page.  Didn't CAPS ask us a while back if Natalee knew Renfro, before she came to Aruba.  Could this be part of the look alike dilemma? ::MonkeyConfused::  It might have been Virginia Page who knew Charles Croes and Renfro before the trip.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:



Charles Croes: How Did He Know?
http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/


The comments are interesting...


vms...wasn't he arrested for domestic violence?  TIA

Mum,

I have heard domestic violence, drugs and caught on the beach with no pants. I dunno?  :smt102


LOL...I remember the no pants!  Why do I feel 'a major friend' discussion coming on?  LOL
::MonkeyHaHa::

FWIW, Glenda claims the mutual friend was Claudio Stamper.

Then that means that Charles Croes was told as soon as Beth's plane filed a flight plan back to Aruba.  Lil'Shango strikes again!  Aha!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 10:50:14 AM
Maybe when Caps comes back he will explain why he threw Jairo Dirkson's name out there as well....

I can't be running all over the web without a good reason!!!

Seems we have more players in this saga than we need already! ::MonkeyConfused::

Now I am confused: Stamper...Williams....ruffner Page!!1 ::MonkeyConfused::

Kermit dropped that hint...it is a long Shango identity story of which I don't really wish to explore at this time. He was quoting something he had read.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 11:02:17 AM
Maybe when Caps comes back he will explain why he threw Jairo Dirkson's name out there as well....

I can't be running all over the web without a good reason!!!

Seems we have more players in this saga than we need already! ::MonkeyConfused::

Now I am confused: Stamper...Williams....ruffner Page!!1 ::MonkeyConfused::

Kermit dropped that hint...it is a long Shango identity story of which I don't really wish to explore at this time. He was quoting something he had read.


Thank You Lala's...so what are we going to post about today?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 11:04:02 AM
Claudio Stamper
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/stamper.jpg)

general manager of Universal Aviation Aruba, N.V.
Stamper owns his own jet maintenance company, Jet International.

http://www.internationalreports.net/theamericas/aruba/2007/terminal.html

JET INTERNATIONAL
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19225

UNIVERSAL AVIATION ARUBA N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34076





(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CaludioStamper.jpg)
http://aruba.universalaviation.aero/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2008, 11:19:52 AM
Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.


Mum, thank you.  I have to be more direct with my questions, it seems.  I really was more interested in when KJ arrived and began her prosecutor stint in Aruba.  I thought it was out there, but just couldn't find it, myself.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 11:25:29 AM
Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.


Mum, thank you.  I have to be more direct with my questions, it seems.  I really was more interested in when KJ arrived and began her prosecutor stint in Aruba.  I thought it was out there, but just couldn't find it, myself.


Posters have a hard time working out what I'm asking all the time! I was after the tape she took to the Netherlands and that wasn't until July, so that wasn't the package from the Hague.

So hard to search KJ and van der Straten, because of all the different spellings!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2008, 11:33:00 AM
Good morning vms....maybe Caps should go and check on some of those boulders on Catiri Street....

2NJSons…from a few days back…KJ left around 1/16 and was replaced by Lugo, who Buckeye found was still there in May 2007. Tamikosmom recall Mos in November 2007 and posted an article.

It appears that KJ took duct tape amongst other things to the Netherlands on 7/21/2005. So this is not our package from the Hague. Will revist the Dr Phil docs and see what is listed earlier that may be our package.

Hope this helps.


Mum, thank you.  I have to be more direct with my questions, it seems.  I really was more interested in when KJ arrived and began her prosecutor stint in Aruba.  I thought it was out there, but just couldn't find it, myself.


Posters have a hard time working out what I'm asking all the time! I was after the tape she took to the Netherlands and that wasn't until July, so that wasn't the package from the Hague.

So hard to search KJ and van der Straten, because of all the different spellings!

Absolutely true about the spellings....plus most of what I think I remember reading is probably in the lost archives here at SM....and, if you search what we do have here you have to guess at who posted it... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 12:07:11 PM
We could talk about all the doppelgangers I guess. LOL

Natalee had one.
Steve has one.
Guido has one.
Satish had one.
Simian had one.
I wonder if Lorenzo had one? 
I think I have one... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 12:17:08 PM
We could talk about all the doppelgangers I guess. LOL

Natalee had one.
Steve has one.
Guido has one.
Satish had one.
Simian had one.
I wonder if Lorenzo had one? 
I think I have one... ::MonkeyShocked::

LOL...I was just thinking everytime we ask a question there are two or three answers...they needed 10 days to get it all worked out!

I think Lorenzo had aliases...or maybe he had alibis! Who should we pinch!

I told COLUMBO to name names!!

And ...I have questions about Freddy!!! No questions while he was arrested in August....hmmmm!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 12:40:26 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 12:40:43 PM
Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

I think Ruben had visions of stardom at some point in his career.  He seemed really smitten with that party scene...all of it.  Now, Tito, he was a character too.  LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 12:47:49 PM
Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

I think Ruben had visions of stardom at some point in his career.  He seemed really smitten with that party scene...all of it.  Now, Tito, he was a character too.  LOL


I could not stand to watch Tito or Arlene! She's at the CMB with Kermit's Bill now...Lots of people have been rewarded over this!

I went looking for the guy this morning that owned the Internet Cafe before the Kalpoes got it in August of 2005...nothing, zilch, I wonder if he was real or if he just disappeared!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 01:03:10 PM
Yes, where is that woman that worked with Deepak and stood up for him in an interview?  Wonder how big her reward was?  I can't think of her name, but it will come back to me.  Don't think she owned it, just managed it or something like that.  If you give Deepak his own business, then you have to reward those above him in some way or else they rat you out.  The corruption is bad in Aruba that not even the locals that are innocent can fight it...too big and powerful  Next thing we will hear is Paulus is running for a position in the MEP and will be working side by side with Rudy...or... Hendrick...or...Steve. :roll:

Damn shame when I know more about the gov't of Aruba than I do my own.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 01:04:38 PM
Lala’s continued from the NAH thread…LOL...

Funny that Daury has been in detention about a month, right?

How long has Joran been ‘locked’ up? About a month?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2008, 01:12:40 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
Yes, where is that woman that worked with Deepak and stood up for him in an interview?  Wonder how big her reward was?  I can't think of her name, but it will come back to me.  Don't think she owned it, just managed it or something like that.  If you give Deepak his own business, then you have to reward those above him in some way or else they rat you out.  The corruption is bad in Aruba that not even the locals that are innocent can fight it...too big and powerful  Next thing we will hear is Paulus is running for a position in the MEP and will be working side by side with Rudy...or... Hendrick...or...Steve. :roll:

Damn shame when I know more about the gov't of Aruba than I do my own.

Angela or Angelina something or other....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 01:16:34 PM
Yes, where is that woman that worked with Deepak and stood up for him in an interview?  Wonder how big her reward was?  I can't think of her name, but it will come back to me.  Don't think she owned it, just managed it or something like that.  If you give Deepak his own business, then you have to reward those above him in some way or else they rat you out.  The corruption is bad in Aruba that not even the locals that are innocent can fight it...too big and powerful  Next thing we will hear is Paulus is running for a position in the MEP and will be working side by side with Rudy...or... Hendrick...or...Steve. :roll:

Damn shame when I know more about the gov't of Aruba than I do my own.


This one...couldn't remember and had to go and find it, I was distracted by what may have happened to her former partner...

REPPAS, ANGELINA;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position PROXY
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 01:21:02 PM
Yes, that is her/she..whatever.  I wonder what she's doing now?  Is Deepak HER boss now? LOL


Aru Bay videos...why is a good question...they are out there...were there for sometime before anyone found them...just a lot of questions that I am not sure about. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 01:24:48 PM
Yes, where is that woman that worked with Deepak and stood up for him in an interview?  Wonder how big her reward was?  I can't think of her name, but it will come back to me.  Don't think she owned it, just managed it or something like that.  If you give Deepak his own business, then you have to reward those above him in some way or else they rat you out.  The corruption is bad in Aruba that not even the locals that are innocent can fight it...too big and powerful  Next thing we will hear is Paulus is running for a position in the MEP and will be working side by side with Rudy...or... Hendrick...or...Steve. :roll:

Damn shame when I know more about the gov't of Aruba than I do my own.

Angelina Reppas


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 01:31:17 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Angelina-3.jpg)

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 24 NOVEMBER 2006 under serial number 35569.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
ABC CYBER CLUB 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 53, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  ABC CYBER CLUB 
Date of commencement  1 DECEMBER 2006 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 5 NOVEMBER 2007 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
PONSON, GIOVANNI REGINALDO
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 DECEMBER 1964 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  24 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
PONSON-REPPAS, ANGELINA
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  24 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET EXPOITEREN VAN DE TOEGANG TOT DE WORLD WIDE WEB EN ANDERE MULTIMEDIA NETWERKEN EN ACTIVITEITEN;

B. HET VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN VOOR WAT BETREFT HET MAKEN VAN FOTOCOPIEEN, DRUKWERK EN FAXEN;

C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN GRAFISCHE, ADVERTENTIE-, RECLAMEBUREAU;

D. DE KLEINHANDEL IN KANTOORBEHOEFTEN;

E. DE KLEINHANDEL IN KLEINE ETENSWAREN, HAPJES, KOFFIE, THEE EN ALCOHOLVRIJE DRANKEN;

F. HET BEMIDDELEN BIJ HET ORGANISEREN VAN FEESTEVENEMENTEN;

G. DE KLEINHANDEL IN COMPUTERSPELLETJES. 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 01:32:44 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 01:36:40 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Angelina-3.jpg)

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 24 NOVEMBER 2006 under serial number 35569.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
ABC CYBER CLUB 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 53, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  ABC CYBER CLUB 
Date of commencement  1 DECEMBER 2006 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 5 NOVEMBER 2007 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
PONSON, GIOVANNI REGINALDO
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 DECEMBER 1964 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  24 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
PONSON-REPPAS, ANGELINA
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  24 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET EXPOITEREN VAN DE TOEGANG TOT DE WORLD WIDE WEB EN ANDERE MULTIMEDIA NETWERKEN EN ACTIVITEITEN;

B. HET VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN VOOR WAT BETREFT HET MAKEN VAN FOTOCOPIEEN, DRUKWERK EN FAXEN;

C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN GRAFISCHE, ADVERTENTIE-, RECLAMEBUREAU;

D. DE KLEINHANDEL IN KANTOORBEHOEFTEN;

E. DE KLEINHANDEL IN KLEINE ETENSWAREN, HAPJES, KOFFIE, THEE EN ALCOHOLVRIJE DRANKEN;

F. HET BEMIDDELEN BIJ HET ORGANISEREN VAN FEESTEVENEMENTEN;

G. DE KLEINHANDEL IN COMPUTERSPELLETJES. 
   



Wonder if they are related to the Racquet Club Ponsons....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 01:38:15 PM


REPPAS, ANGELINA;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position PROXY
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 15 DECEMBER 2004
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
REPPAS, ANGELINA;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position PROXY
Effective 15 DECEMBER 2004
Authority FULL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 01:39:40 PM
Here's the one for Luis...Lloyd must not have liked it...he didn't stay long!

CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
RAMIREZ, LUIS ANTONIO;
Residing in HOOIBERG 91-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 2 MAY 1960
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

REPPAS, ANGELINA;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position PROXY
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 15 DECEMBER 2004
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
REPPAS, ANGELINA;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position PROXY
Effective 15 DECEMBER 2004
Authority FULL

HICKINSON, LLOYD SELWYN;
Residing in SEROE BLANCO 75, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 14 FEBRUARY 1964
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 15 DECEMBER 2004
Authority FULL

REPPAS, ANGELINA;
Residing in RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976
Nationality DUTCH
Position PROXY
Effective 15 DECEMBER 2004
Authority FULL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 01:40:22 PM
oops sorry vms you are quick!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 01:46:26 PM
Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 01:47:15 PM
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 5 NOVEMBER 2007 under serial number 36726.0 is the company with the trade name:
 

GPOSTECH 
 
Business address RUBY 72, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  GPOSTECH 
Date of commencement  5 NOVEMBER 2007 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
PONSON, GIOVANNI REGINALDO
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 DECEMBER 1964 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  5 NOVEMBER 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
PONSON-REPPAS, ANGELINA
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  5 NOVEMBER 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1.DE KLEINHANDEL IN COMPUTERS, FORMULIEREN, KANTOOR, CASINO EN BANKBENODIGHEDEN;
2.HET REPAREREN VAN COMPUTERS. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=38179

******************

Gpostech
We deliver in a timely manner and provide one of the best services at competitive pricing on all our products. We ship anywhere you want and we speak English, Spanish, Dutch.

Products and Services

Miscellaneous > Miscellaneous > Gaming Products > Casino Accessories
We supply cards, layouts, tables, chairs, edge lit signs and accessories.

Headquarters
Ruby 72
Noord DWI
Aruba



Hey, BB! No problem!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 09, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

Yes, and for sure, no one knows what the video looks like when the do purchase it, sober or otherwise.  The music, like Klaas pointed out, was weird on the arubay clips.  Wonder what they were really dancing to?  Maybe that's why the music was changed...dunno....highly doubtful any copyright 'laws' were breached.

Oh, and if I disappear, it's because I started cleaning a closet, which was a mistake.  Ugh....has nothing to do with anyone here.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 01:54:49 PM
...seems in this interview with Angelina, strange she can be so sure that Deepak does not know how Joran got home. It makes me think with more certainty that Joran and Natalee were dropped off somewhere by the K's.

++++++++++++

Angelina Reppas: (Manager of Cyberzone Cafe in Aruba) He was working that night. Sunday night. And he never goes out on a Sunday night. Deepak was supposed to go home. His brother has to pick him up at 11:00. But, I think Joran called him. "Ok, you know, I'm here with girls from the states in Carlos N Charlies. You want to come to? I need a ride."

And that's how he... he went there. Deepak wanted to leave with... with Satish, and then Joran asked if Natalee was going to come. And then they both got into the car, and she wanted to drive. She just wanted to drive on the beach. And she was drunk. And there are girls, like, screaming, "Get out of the car, because"... friends from her. They were like, "Get out of the car." She's like, "No, no. I want to stay. I want to drive. Just go to the hotel. I will be back later." That's it. And Deepak told the girls, like, "Get her out, because she's drunk. Why don't you take your friend with you?""No, I didn't" ...she didn't want to. That's what he said. And then they just drove around. They dropped her off at the Marriott. They went home.

Jamie Skeeters: How did Joran get home?

Angelina Reppas: Yeah, pppt. He said...

Jamie Skeeters: ....

Angelina Reppas: Walk.

Jamie Skeeters: What did he tell Deepak?

Angelina Reppas: He told them he was going to walk.

Jamie Skeeters: How did he get... really get home?

Angelina Reppas: That Deepak doesn't know. 

http://tinyurl.com/5ga8px


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 01:56:14 PM
Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?

Hey Mum don't know much about Ponson. Shall we look around?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:05:05 PM
...seems in this interview with Angelina, strange she can be so sure that Deepak does not know how Joran got home. It makes me think with more certainty that Joran and Natalee were dropped off somewhere by the K's.

++++++++++++

Angelina Reppas: (Manager of Cyberzone Cafe in Aruba) He was working that night. Sunday night. And he never goes out on a Sunday night. Deepak was supposed to go home. His brother has to pick him up at 11:00. But, I think Joran called him. "Ok, you know, I'm here with girls from the states in Carlos N Charlies. You want to come to? I need a ride."

And that's how he... he went there. Deepak wanted to leave with... with Satish, and then Joran asked if Natalee was going to come. And then they both got into the car, and she wanted to drive. She just wanted to drive on the beach. And she was drunk. And there are girls, like, screaming, "Get out of the car, because"... friends from her. They were like, "Get out of the car." She's like, "No, no. I want to stay. I want to drive. Just go to the hotel. I will be back later." That's it. And Deepak told the girls, like, "Get her out, because she's drunk. Why don't you take your friend with you?""No, I didn't" ...she didn't want to. That's what he said. And then they just drove around. They dropped her off at the Marriott. They went home.

Jamie Skeeters: How did Joran get home?

Angelina Reppas: Yeah, pppt. He said...

Jamie Skeeters: ....

Angelina Reppas: Walk.

Jamie Skeeters: What did he tell Deepak?

Angelina Reppas: He told them he was going to walk.

Jamie Skeeters: How did he get... really get home?

Angelina Reppas: That Deepak doesn't know. 




http://tinyurl.com/5ga8px

Cafe closed at 10PM that night. Satish said so. The sign on the door said so...why does everyone want it to close at 11 that night?

And why did she hesitate before saying Satish..in blue...she almost slipped...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?

Hey Mum don't know much about Ponson. Shall we look around?

BB...here is the 2005 records...I'm not sure except that I am really suspicious of all the activity around there and then those posts I saw that asked if Freddy lived there! There are villas there, but have only got as far as the ones built in Nov. of 2005 The Racquet Club was completely remodelled. and Joran and Guido IIRC were both interns. May be another dead end...Oh and there is Jorge and his Request 41...

ARUBA RACQUET CLUB N.V.
Business address ROOI SANTO 21, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company ARUBA RACQUET CLUB N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 11 JULY 1991
Last amendment in the articles 16 NOVEMBER 2001
Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 1,000,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 965,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 965,000.00
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:

PONSON-JANSEN, IRENE MAE;
Residing in MEIVELD 38, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 23 MAY 1940
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR B
Effective 26 AUGUST 1998
Authority RESTRICTED

HOSE, HUMPHREY HUBERT;
Residing in BONTEMANTELSTRAAT 16, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 4 MAY 1947
Nationality DUTCH
Position SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR
Effective 26 AUGUST 1998

PONSON, ERIC CARL (JR);
Residing in MAHUMA 70, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 16 JULY 1963
Nationality DUTCH
Position SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR B
Effective 26 AUGUST 1998
Authority RESTRICTED

PONSON, KENNETH LIONEL;
Residing in SALINA CERCA 13-E, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 17 SEPTEMBER 1966
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR A
Effective 26 AUGUST 1998
Authority RESTRICTED

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

A. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN TENNISBAAN-COMPLEX, ANNEX BIJBEHORENDE SPORTFACILITEITEN;
B. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KOFFIEHUIS-RESTAURANT.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
I am not sure if we want the tennis Sanchez or this Sanches...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2560
From Caps

Last Name:Porras
First Name:Jorge A   
Date of Birth:12/30/1982
Place of Birth:Caracas, Venezuela
Current Address:Rondweg 21, Aruba

The Mother is living at the same Address, there is no info on the Father

Last name:Porras Rodriguez,
Born: Sanchez
First Name: Josefa O   
Date Of Birth: 1/9/1945,
Current Address: Rondweg 21, Aruba

The problem with the name is the Sanchez.

Porros as a last name exist

Sanchez as a Lastname with Jorge as First name but no Porros --NONE

This name must have been made up by someone to protect something.

will check one more datamine.
+++++




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:23:35 PM
Here is where we started on Sanches/Sanchez...he was questioned the same day as two others from the Club.

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Name/Title: Reply on request to return suspects belongings
Date: 20 October 2005
Pa.gcs: 1
Writer/Initiator: J.M.A.M. Ponsioen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 09, 2008, 02:27:02 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 02:27:48 PM
I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2008, 02:32:56 PM
Mum,

Here is some of the things you were asking about:
Jario Dirkson lives in the same area as Steve Croes.
There was allegedly a 6:30 AM phone call to or from that area if I recall.




6/29/05MARIAINE CROES was replaced by JANSSEN as the lead prosecutor in the case. Janssen reported that polis have started to talk with Joran's classmates.

6/30/05 - Janssen tells MSNBC "no body no case" http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2240305518&fa=1

7/1/05 - Janssen states: "Also acknowledged that prosecutors have no solid evidence that Holloway is dead. They have said a murder conviction is possible without a body, but the case requires strong evidence such as a confession, reliable statements and forensic evidence."
Dutch government is sending F-16 jets
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822

7/22/05 - Karin Janssen left for Holland on vacation She alledgedly/reported to have taken the DNA samples that the Judge threw out. Makes no sense.

Paulus cleaned out his desk right after Karin Janseen left for Holland on vacation

THEN:
22. July 29, 2005 - DOCUMENTS ARE MISSING FROM THE FILE
Re: the DNA ( Susan Candilotti) 7/29/2005
Susan - yes all thrown out, could be granted new testing. For Satish, no sufficient grounds to take the sample. If grounds in the future, can ask to take them again. For Joran, Judge said there are sufficient grounds, but documents are missing from the file & those files must be added before Pros. can file another motion





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 09, 2008, 02:33:10 PM
Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?

Mum...he probably wanted his damn size 14 K-Swiss tennis shoes back....LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2008, 02:34:44 PM
LaLa,

THINKING ABOUT THAT CATIRI APARTMENT:


MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual


"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja." (Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:35:42 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

The question I have is why if they were made before Natalee was there, just what were they made for. Those two from yesterday were not an advertisement to attract the tourists.  That first one was really weird!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 09, 2008, 02:36:16 PM
Hi BB...What do we know about the Ponson family? Anything? I looked a little while back checking on the Racquet Club?

I wonder what stage of reconstruction they were in around that time!

Way too much activity in the following days and then there is Jorge and whatever he wanted returned! Why would they need to interview three people from the club?

Mum...he probably wanted his damn size 14 K-Swiss tennis shoes back....LOL

Even his shoes have a doppleganger. (would that be "doggle" ganger?  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2008, 02:39:30 PM
On Wednesday June 1, 2005
When he picked me up we went straight to the racket club, near Marriot.
My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the 3 of us met and talked.

We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran

My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

Joran´s parents were also in his appartment.

 after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005)


I am not sure what Satish means by Joran is an intern at the Racquet Club.
Maybe he meant similar to kids who attend tennis camps where they are training as players for world class tournament play. I, personally, have never heard that term used before, but it also might be an interpretator's choice of wording.
Joran was NOT the big tennish champ that his mother claimed him to be. He played in mediocre tournament level along with doubles sometimes with Freddy. Guido also played tennis.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:41:45 PM
I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw


BB…I remember the discussions on them having a different place. Even ones about Joran and Koen having their own apartments. I bet some-one had a key to the Racquet Club.

Destiny…size 14s…GVC…LOL






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 09, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

The question I have is why if they were made before Natalee was there, just what were they made for. Those two from yesterday were not an advertisement to attract the tourists.  That first one was really weird!

I think it has to do with the *pick-a-date* to *rape* porn industry...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 02:47:41 PM
He certainly wanted something and whatever it was I want to know.  What would you take from a tennis player in relation to the Natalee Holloway case?  A tennis racket?  Clothes? Bag? Shoes? Maybe he did wear a size 14 and Joran borrowed them..that is why one of them was missing...who knows?  But what was it?  Inquiring minds want to know. Did he have a locker next to Joran's?  Did he have a shovel in his locker? Keys? Locks? Whatever they took I am betting it was for comparison to something else...anyone wanna bet against me?  Seems they probably returned whatever it was...so I say comparison.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 02:48:09 PM
On Wednesday June 1, 2005
When he picked me up we went straight to the racket club, near Marriot.
My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the 3 of us met and talked.

We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran

My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

Joran´s parents were also in his appartment.

 after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005)


I am not sure what Satish means by Joran is an intern at the Racquet Club.
Maybe he meant similar to kids who attend tennis camps where they are training as players for world class tournament play. I, personally, have never heard that term used before, but it also might be an interpretator's choice of wording.
Joran was NOT the big tennish champ that his mother claimed him to be. He played in mediocre tournament level along with doubles sometimes with Freddy. Guido also played tennis.




My guess would be interning to become  pro?

http://www.tennisaruba.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:51:13 PM
On Wednesday June 1, 2005
When he picked me up we went straight to the racket club, near Marriot.
My brother told me we were going to Joran. He is an intern at the club. In front of the entrance of the club the 3 of us met and talked.

We did not speak long because the police was on its way to pick up Joran

My brother told me we had to go to Joran´s later on. After we finished our sister´s work we went to Joran. I drove the car to his house.

Joran´s parents were also in his appartment.

 after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee
(Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005)


I am not sure what Satish means by Joran is an intern at the Racquet Club.
Maybe he meant similar to kids who attend tennis camps where they are training as players for world class tournament play. I, personally, have never heard that term used before, but it also might be an interpretator's choice of wording.
Joran was NOT the big tennish champ that his mother claimed him to be. He played in mediocre tournament level along with doubles sometimes with Freddy. Guido also played tennis.




Some-one lived by that Racquet Club or had access to those time-shares...IMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 02:52:37 PM
I was thinking about those Aru Bay videos last night.  I wonder if Shango or Simian knew about them?  I was trying to find a connection in the riddles to them...so many people think they were a message.  I am not sure anymore...never could see anything in them, but you know with the way things operate on Aruba it may have been the only way to get the message out there and still be safe.  I know Rob and Carpe have really worked hard on those...do you think maybe there is a reference to them in any of the Shango riddles that we have overlooked?


It is so long since I watched them, except the one yesterday and one this morning.  The first one was weird, I thought of kids 'raves'. The music...ugh!!! It made everyone stoned!

How come we have all these DJ's and now everyone plays in a band as well, even Freddy!

Where do all these bands play?

LOL... back to the vids...the two from yesterday seem a little weird to be made to 'sell' Aruba! Not like they could show them during 60 minutes as advertisement, so what were they made for?

That 'Tattoo' must have been one busy party boat that weekend!



Watching the Tattoo videos again made me think of the excursions we've taken on various islands, including a recent one in the Dominican Republic.  A video is always taken and sold following.  Other gimmicks are taking a photo and putting it on a bottle of rum for purchase when you return to the dock where vendors swarm you like hawks to buy their items.  Were the videos part of a late March, early April '05 night on the Tattoo?  Why was this particular video (s) uploaded to Arubay?  I guess I'm asking the same question as you, and wondering who of those filmed would buy it, let alone want it posted for the world to see? 


May be that is how they sell them, everyone coming of the boat blasted! The tourists wouldn't touch them if they were sober...LOL

These vids were not for tourists...they were very well spliced...and the music added during production...they really bother me...I still *feel* that they are only *part* of another vid...JMO

The question I have is why if they were made before Natalee was there, just what were they made for. Those two from yesterday were not an advertisement to attract the tourists.  That first one was really weird!

I think it has to do with the *pick-a-date* to *rape* porn industry...


Mr. Pink Productions...Paul Brough...SNUBA...Paul Brough...Lorenzo....pornography...Freddy...Telearuba investigations into porn....race junkies..Brough...reporters....cameraman...videos...procurement....corruption....Steve...suicide...porn


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 02:59:17 PM
He certainly wanted something and whatever it was I want to know.  What would you take from a tennis player in relation to the Natalee Holloway case?  A tennis racket?  Clothes? Bag? Shoes? Maybe he did wear a size 14 and Joran borrowed them..that is why one of them was missing...who knows?  But what was it?  Inquiring minds want to know. Did he have a locker next to Joran's?  Did he have a shovel in his locker? Keys? Locks? Whatever they took I am betting it was for comparison to something else...anyone wanna bet against me?  Seems they probably returned whatever it was...so I say comparison.


You did notice the Rodriguez in the one that Caps checked for an address, in the Mother's name, didn't you...LOL

That is why I am not 100% sure we want the tennis Sanchez...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 03:00:49 PM
Intern?  WTH?  When did he have time to play tennis?  He spent all his time sleeping at school and gambling at night.  Only thing at the racquet club Joran did was get into trouble or use it as an excuse to go gamble.  I don't see him being active enough to play tennis.  How can you play tennis when you spent most of your time on the weekend chatting up girls at the hotels and lying your way into their lives?  Joran was all about partying...not tennis...I don't buy that one at all.  There are only so many hours in the day and he doesn't get more than any of the rest of us do. Maybe Anita was hoping he would make a tennis pro someday...lord knows he's turned out even better than she hoped.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 03:01:44 PM
He certainly wanted something and whatever it was I want to know.  What would you take from a tennis player in relation to the Natalee Holloway case?  A tennis racket?  Clothes? Bag? Shoes? Maybe he did wear a size 14 and Joran borrowed them..that is why one of them was missing...who knows?  But what was it?  Inquiring minds want to know. Did he have a locker next to Joran's?  Did he have a shovel in his locker? Keys? Locks? Whatever they took I am betting it was for comparison to something else...anyone wanna bet against me?  Seems they probably returned whatever it was...so I say comparison.


You did notice the Rodriguez in the one that Caps checked for an address, in the Mother's name, didn't you...LOL

That is why I am not 100% sure we want the tennis Sanchez...

Yep..I noticed.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 09, 2008, 03:02:52 PM
Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

A very interesting and informative video clip of an interchange between Bill O’Reilly, Jossy Mansur, and Reuben Trappenburg on last nights O’Reilly Factor. The discussion was based around Jossy finding out about 3 women who have supposedly been targeted by Joran Van Der Sloot as objects of his affection, perhaps against their will.

Reuben has a very hard time determining if the police know about this, and is befuddled how to answer it. Bill O’Reilly pokes some fun at the Aruban Government Spokesman. “Maybe he should be in charge of the investigation?” referring to Jossy.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/reuben-trappenberg-jossy-mansur-orielly-wants-to-know-who-knows-more/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 03:04:24 PM
I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8


Looks like Anita there too and little Sebastian maybe. LOL  Good catch! Look at the top of his head...that hairline is a dead giveaway.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 03:05:40 PM
I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8


Looks like Anita there too and little Sebastian maybe. LOL  Good catch! Look at the top of his head...that hairline is a dead giveaway.

Yep I think it is Anita too......so much for life as usual for the perps......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 03:08:16 PM
I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8


BB…after yesterday I need new glasses, but it sure looks like him to me!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 03:08:42 PM
OMG!! Please tell me that cow in the black swimsuit is not really Anita!!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 03:10:08 PM
BB post that on NAH...they will enjoy seeing it. Again...good catch!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 03:10:16 PM
Sure is and the clip was added to youtube Nov 2007, so it may have been filmed around then though not sure.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 03:11:12 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/bg8bb5.jpg)

No doubt, BB.  ;)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 09, 2008, 03:16:20 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/bg8bb5.jpg)

No doubt, BB.  ;)

Great catch BB...Thanks vms...I shut it off...didn't want to get another time-out...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 03:20:16 PM
 :shock: :smt100

(http://i26.tinypic.com/2py15s4.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 09, 2008, 03:26:59 PM
I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8

Great Catch BB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 09, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
I was just watching this video, and I wish someone would watch it also.....at about 36 seconds as the film pans left to right I would swear it is PVDS wiping his glasses and putting them on. Very quick...see what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8

Not sure if it's Joran but I think it's the VDS's

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20VDS%20Home/APJ2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 09, 2008, 03:38:55 PM
VMS we did  the same screen shot.
 I just left the time in mine
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 09, 2008, 03:40:04 PM
I didn't the see lurch but at 6:28   into the video the commentator says "Holloway in the house.......the man from Holloway country"......my guess joran could be one of the players at that time?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHjatwPyZR8


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 04:59:25 PM
VMS we did  the same screen shot.
 I just left the time in mine
::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 09, 2008, 05:00:28 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/j8z22c.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 05:16:18 PM
Mum!!!
Where are you???  VMS has a surprise for you...yoo hoo!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2008, 08:19:11 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/j8z22c.jpg)

What did I tell ya guys. Joran played B class tennis. NOT anywhere near top player!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 09, 2008, 08:30:19 PM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 09, 2008, 08:36:39 PM
I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw



Wow, and I just happened to stumble across this old post today.  I thought the cryptic message was probably describing Lorenzo's house, but now I see what you have found about the Sloots owning other properties.

Posted by: Truth | Friday, December 07, 2007 at 01:56 PM
hard to believe... does PVD own or family-own other land in Aruba? If this land is close enough to hear the ocean- by a cliff?? Has bermuda grass and a garden with unfinished fish pond *cement in bags near by! distant cousin or cousin in law with a housekeeper??? small plot of land with chicken wire around it??? can hear surf; smell ocean??? washing machine in house-washed clothes dressed NH in different clothes- buried shoes, etc. in bermuda grass--- perhaps, NH alive- memory wiped clean??? no memory... now not on aruba somewhere foreign with dark moorish man??? if others have disappeared - huamn traafficking is a possibility! PVS is fishing pole; son is hook... drug is bait... look at the big picture,NH's story involves a lot of money... and big players--- JVS knows alot more than is being said... NH in house for some time around 3 am ... rental car---came---she disappeared. why let her die- if nothing was at stake??! (dream too vivid to be ignored)

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/paul_van_der_sl_1.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 08:47:32 PM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?



Is this the same Max that was the alibi for Lorenzo?  Oh please, tell me it is...it would connect a dot for me that I have been working on for months now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 08:49:35 PM
I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw



Wow, and I just happened to stumble across this old post today.  I thought the cryptic message was probably describing Lorenzo's house, but now I see what you have found about the Sloots owning other properties.

Posted by: Truth | Friday, December 07, 2007 at 01:56 PM
hard to believe... does PVD own or family-own other land in Aruba? If this land is close enough to hear the ocean- by a cliff?? Has bermuda grass and a garden with unfinished fish pond *cement in bags near by! distant cousin or cousin in law with a housekeeper??? small plot of land with chicken wire around it??? can hear surf; smell ocean??? washing machine in house-washed clothes dressed NH in different clothes- buried shoes, etc. in bermuda grass--- perhaps, NH alive- memory wiped clean??? no memory... now not on aruba somewhere foreign with dark moorish man??? if others have disappeared - huamn traafficking is a possibility! PVS is fishing pole; son is hook... drug is bait... look at the big picture,NH's story involves a lot of money... and big players--- JVS knows alot more than is being said... NH in house for some time around 3 am ... rental car---came---she disappeared. why let her die- if nothing was at stake??! (dream too vivid to be ignored)

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/paul_van_der_sl_1.html


Not just this property...I think they own or owned at the time an apartment.  I was told this by a reliable source once in a PM...that is when we had PMs. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 09, 2008, 08:51:46 PM
Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:28 am
Not all lions leave their den


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 09, 2008, 08:53:07 PM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?



Here's the transcript, I think....scroll down after Nadira and Anita.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 09, 2008, 09:30:59 PM
Joran....the intern:

I always thought it was related to getting into a school in the US.  Maybe he ordered towels or tennis balls.  I'm betting he had a key.

Current Affair 9/26/2005

Joran van der Sloot:  I plan to continue my life normally. I want to study sports management in the States. Obviously, that is not a good option now, the States. This case has been so blown up in the States, it is ridiculous. And, I just hope I can go on with my life. Let's see how things go. Hope the case gets solved. And, if it gets solved, then everything will be fine. I can go on with my life. I can even go continue my study in the States.  I can do anything I want.

http://scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 12:08:39 AM
Yoo Hoo Caps,
Where are you?  Are you working on your final update?  I have been having email problems so I haven't been in touch.  We are all waiting to see the final version...hurry up down there...what are you doing?  Have you gone on strike too? ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 02:41:04 AM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 05:47:56 AM
For Buckeye...to go with the Dirty Martini!

UPSTARTS! Young Lions of Jazz


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 06:17:15 AM
Oh my!...I think I see Lala's and I haven't finished my homework!

Lala's and vms

FREDDY ZEDAN![/b]...FREDDY ZEDAN...FREDDY ZEDAN
[/b]


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 06:28:06 AM
LOL  I knew you would love it!  Now that we know he actually goes by that name maybe we can progress with our 5th suspect.

So what do you think, Mum?  Maybe the confusion is in who reported the names originally?  Wonder if it was the usual media bunch down there that wanted to confuse everyone from the beginning?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 06:33:21 AM
LOL  I knew you would love it!  Now that we know he actually goes by that name maybe we can progress with our 5th suspect.

So what do you think, Mum?  Maybe the confusion is in who reported the names originally?  Wonder if it was the usual media bunch down there that wanted to confuse everyone from the beginning?


JULIA!....Arrested on August 26th

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 06:34:50 AM
Joran....the intern:

I always thought it was related to getting into a school in the US.  Maybe he ordered towels or tennis balls.  I'm betting he had a key.

Current Affair 9/26/2005

Joran van der Sloot:  I plan to continue my life normally. I want to study sports management in the States. Obviously, that is not a good option now, the States. This case has been so blown up in the States, it is ridiculous. And, I just hope I can go on with my life. Let's see how things go. Hope the case gets solved. And, if it gets solved, then everything will be fine. I can go on with my life. I can even go continue my study in the States.  I can do anything I want.

http://scrux.com/natalee/joranunedited.htm


I think you are correct.  He needed those tennis lessons to show he had some skill in that area.  I often wonder if he would have made it here in the USA in school..he did not seem to have very good study skills ...then again...he did study gambling quite well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 06:39:21 AM
LOL  I knew you would love it!  Now that we know he actually goes by that name maybe we can progress with our 5th suspect.

So what do you think, Mum?  Maybe the confusion is in who reported the names originally?  Wonder if it was the usual media bunch down there that wanted to confuse everyone from the beginning?


JULIA!....Arrested on August 26th

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.


Remember in the beginning the famous pic?...It was snipped. So no-one heard of Freddy until late August, as far as the media here or posters.

Freddy A.= August arrest not Freddy Z.   Still trying to sort through it all..LOL

By the way Freddy's name is listed with the Zedan first in the Dr. Phil docs.

Do you still have the maps that Caps posted of Freddy's, Sloots and the Dutch Apartments?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 06:42:29 AM
LOL  I knew you would love it!  Now that we know he actually goes by that name maybe we can progress with our 5th suspect.

So what do you think, Mum?  Maybe the confusion is in who reported the names originally?  Wonder if it was the usual media bunch down there that wanted to confuse everyone from the beginning?


JULIA!....Arrested on August 26th

From CNN transcript aired August 29, 2005:

HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR" CORRESPONDENT: Yes, really a lot, Nancy. "A Current Affair" has learned the name of the third guy arrested on Friday along with the Kalpoe brothers. We knew his initials were FZA, we knew his name might be Freddy. Tonight we know it`s Freddy Zedan Arambatzis. And I talked with this man`s attorney actually.

Yes. She seemed to be the inside scoop on everything...especially when she managed to get Tito out of the limelight.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 06:47:45 AM
Those maps are on page 135 of the old Shango thread...I have no idea how to get them over here now that the thread is locked.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 06:51:23 AM
Lala's...I found these...no link, but I think they were posted in FP comments.

I have the link to the maps...

Art: It could have been Freddy. I've seen a lot of interviews, one of those interviews talks about the fact Paul had gotten attorneys for thse kids the first week in June before they were even arrested. He got an attorney for Freddy, who wasn't even arrested until September. That tells you a lot an Freddy is one of the 5 people I mentioned earlier.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.,"  said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.

Now..is Art talking about F.Zedan or were they fed this info!

Or is Frederick Arends being protected all along?

Or is Max Arends being protected all along?

I remember that on Satish' Kinf of Bling Tickle site from laye August the pics of F. Zedan were on them...this was a new Tickle site!

Out of the box...did the camera guy super inpose Freddy Zedans pic on the famouse Pic?

SORRY!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 06:56:35 AM
Those maps are on page 135 of the old Shango thread...I have no idea how to get them over here now that the thread is locked.

Maps...Freddy's is not at the back of Joran's, and I can't find 10 on the maps

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680


Joran
Montanja number 19 on Aruba at the time of Natalee’s disappearance.
Max Arends from Chamber..Raymond Maximillian..is this Max’s Dad?
Montana number 10
Arambatzis Rodriguez...remember when Caps was looking
39F or 62


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 07:02:38 AM
Lala's...one more...and I will let you set me straight...LOL...as I said I'm all over on this!

I think these are FP aren't they? I did snip a few...Need Coffee!

:59 pm
AZLady: Who are the other two in custody, besides the Kalpoes? Freddy and someone else?

5:06 pm
klaasend: No...only Freddy. Not sure if there's more, I'm thinking not.

5:06 pm
sunmoonstars: Catherine Crier Fri

Based on the same suspicions as before. There are new suspicions, or they couldn't re arrest the K brothers.

Art Wood: We have known for a long time that the LE have statements from these boys. They Know where Natalee is.

Freddy Arandashi?? Uses the name Freddy Arends, he is a close friend and neighbor of Jorans.

5:08 pm
sunmoonstars: AG: Art Wood is saying Freddy Arandashi?? also says he goes by Freddy Arends

5:22 pm
whodunit: Does HE  live at Aruba Racquet Club?

5:25 pm
arubagirl: No, owner of the place told me the homes are only used as vacation homes by wealthy tourists.

5:26 pm
fluffy monkey: Wonder if "someone" has a key to one of them....

5:28 pm
whodunit: Hmmm...maybe it could at least explain what the boys were doing late that night (3am) near the ARC. Maybe meeting his tennis partner.......hmmmmm

5:32 pm
odds on: Who - For what it's worth, the AM Digitel article (link posted above)about the September 2004 tennis tounament that jvds and Freddy Z won took place at the Aruba Racqut Club. Coincidences abound.

5:44 pm
bondia: Freddy Z.

Freddy's middle name is Alexander and it is customary to never use somebody’s last name in Aruba until they have been charged.

The rules were obviously broken in Natalee's case as it has been a free for all of accusations since the Beginning

6:07 pm
klaasend: So why is Bondia saying the last name starts with a Z ?

6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, so we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.

ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 07:07:14 AM
HELP LALA’S…LOL…WHICH PATH!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 07:15:46 AM
One more…who slipped out the back door secretly in September and left the island?

Max Arends to go to school in Florida….

Or Frederick Arends, who has the DVD place near the boulders…




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 07:47:11 AM
Oh My!…Lala’s, did I give you a headache?  Please don’t go and lie down, I need help!!!


 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 10, 2008, 08:54:06 AM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C


The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 10, 2008, 09:00:23 AM
Is this the map you want?(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/FreddytoMontanaParkapartments.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 10, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/Mtj19toMtj39link.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 09:19:15 AM
Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.  There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 10, 2008, 09:33:58 AM
Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.  There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.

and didn't Freddy's parents get a call to go over to the Sloots also? I seem to remember they got upset and stood up to leave. So, I doubt that the parents of Freddy would be called to a meeting at the Sloots if Freddy didn't hold some of the answers.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 10, 2008, 09:56:37 AM
Do you have this article, Mum?


Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday , September 01, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —

The mother of a Dutch suspect held in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway (search) said her son was innocent of new allegations that he and three friends took pictures of another girl in "tempting poses."

Anita van der Sloot said the new allegations showed prosecutors were desperate and did not have evidence to link her 18-year-old son to Holloway's disappearance.

"It's a desperate attempt to get the boys to talk," she said. "But there is nothing to talk about. Nobody takes this nonsense seriously."

Joran van der Sloot (search) was arrested June 9 along with two friends, Surinamese nationals Satish Kalpoe (search), 18, and Deepak Kalpoe (search), 21, on suspicion of involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.

Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, said prosecutors introduced two allegations of a "sexual nature" during a hearing Wednesday on whether to keep the Dutch teen detained for another 30 days. Carlo did not specify what the allegations were.

The judge has until Sept. 3 to decide whether to prolong van der Sloot's detention. Suspects can be held for 116 days without charge in the Dutch Caribbean territory. If the judge orders van der Sloot to remain held, prosecutors will have 30 days to charge him, or he must be freed.

Anita van der Sloot said her son and his friends were present when the photos were taken by another friend, whom she did not identify. She denied the photos were of a sexual nature or that her son and his friends had sexual contact with the girl.

"It's a lovely picture of a young girl in a bikini," she said.

Prosecutors also asked the judge Wednesday to order the Kalpoe brothers held for another eight days, the prosecutor's office said in a statement Thursday.

Attempts to contact prosecutors for further comment were unsuccessful.

"I believe in the judicial system of my country. I believe in my son's innocence," Anita van der Sloot said. "If the decision is not in his favor, we'll just take it from there."

Eighteen-year-old Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen May 30 leaving a bar with the Kalpoes and van der Sloot, hours before she was to end a vacation celebrating her graduation. Extensive searches have produced no sign of her.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168233,00.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 10:04:15 AM
I think we sometimes chase our tails in here and never take some things at face value.  I realize that can not always be done in this case, but there are several things ( I suppose you could call the facts) that were known to be true at the time and still are until proven otherwise. 

Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed.  There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too.  Why do I say this?  Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value.  So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL!   Just another day at the office.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
Thanks Blonde, vms and Lala’s…took a nap this morning myself…need to stop waking up at 2AM!

I need to rethink all of this again as it is way muddier than when I got up this morning. And the one big hurdle for me from just staying with Freddy Zedan is the August arrest. It appears it took Fox 3 days to confirm the name. Where did the name come from. Maybe the same place that Mr Pink came from, the internet. Or did the Freddy Zedan come from the contacts in Aruba, ie Julia? And the big one on this is ‘Freddy’ being released so quietly. Why!

I need to go back and re-examine all the Freddy references from the Kalpoes in the PV’s, such as telling ALE to ask Freddy for the answers to certain things. Why would they ‘have’ to ask Freddy if Joran drove or not? Did Freddy have to give Satish permission to answer for himself.

Why was Freddy making decisions on the shoes, advising Joran and the Kalpoes? Seems to be a little more to Freddy than a tennis buddy who lived behind his house! If all we have been told is true, he would be the same age as Deepak. It appears that Freddy has some sort of hold over them all!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 10, 2008, 11:24:56 AM
NANCY GRACE

Law & Order Breakdown in New Orleans

Aired September 1, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


<snipped>

I`m going to quickly take you to breaking news out of Aruba. Chief suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama girl, is set to be released from jail.

Tonight, in Aruba, Twitty family attorney Helen LeJuez. Jossy Mansur is back with us, from "Diario" newspaper. In Houston, Natalee`s uncle, Paul Reynolds. In New York, defense attorney Jason Oshins and psychotherapist Caryn Stark.

Also with us, CNN correspondent Susan Candiotti. Susan, is it true?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is true. The judge says that Joran Van Der Sloot gets to go home on Saturday. The judge agreed to free him, despite motions by prosecutors to keep the teenager behind bars for another 60 days as a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, despite the fact that prosecutors presented 300 pages of documents.

Obviously, the judge didn`t buy it. The defense arguing there was no evidence to tie the young man to the disappearance and to hold him any longer. But the judge technically agreed to keep him in pretrial detention for another 30 days, but then turned around and suspended that order, granting the defense motion to let him go home.

However, the judge set conditions. He said that Van Der Sloot must remain available to the ongoing investigation, meaning they can call him in for questioning at any time.

GRACE: Right.

CANDIOTTI: He cannot go to college, as he had planned, in Florida, where he was accepted. And the defense attorney, at this time, however, said he did not want to reveal what the other special conditions were.

GRACE: OK.

CANDIOTTI: However, I would think, Nancy, it`s unlikely he`ll be able to stray far from Aruba.

GRACE: Helen LeJuez, Twitty family attorney, response from Natalee`s family?

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I cannot hear you.

GRACE: Is there a response from Natalee`s family, Helen?

LEJUEZ: Yes. They are very, very upset and very sad tonight.

GRACE: To Jossy Mansur, welcome back, Jossy. We missed you. I`m glad to see you.

Jossy, I`m stunned. I am stunned.

LEJUEZ: By this news, so am I, and so are many people. I mean, I understand that he did get an extension of 30 days, and the 30 days was suspended. The Satish lawyer told us that Satish will get another eight days. And from Deepak, we don`t know anything yet.

Freddy, the other guy, that he wants to be called Zedan, instead of Arambatzis, is still in jail and got another eight days, also. But it is stunning.

GRACE: To Jason Oshins, did you believe this day would come?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what, Nancy? It was a little bit telling that it would. I mean, the Kalpoes were released initially. And then the prosecutors went after them again on some different charges.

So, Nancy, there`s no body. There`s no physical evidence. I mean, surely, you know, as a prosecutor, you need some aids to assist you in a prosecution. Here, they can hold them before charging, but there`s nothing to work with. And, obviously, the judge agreed that the mound of evidence didn`t amount to enough.

GRACE: Paul Reynolds, you`re Natalee`s uncle. You must be stunned tonight.

PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S UNCLE: Well, Nancy, obviously, we`re very disappointed. You know, we cannot understand how there could be such a lack of evidence that would release him. You know, but we`re not giving up. You know, the Kalpoe brothers are still there.

We certainly think lesser charges need to be considered against them. And they need to understand that these -- there are charges that are available against them, which would give them incentive to give us some information as to what happened that night.

GRACE: Very quickly, everyone, to tonight`s "All-Points Bulletin."

FBI and law enforcement across the country on the lookout for this man, Jason Derek Brown, wanted in connection with the 2004 murder and robbery in Phoenix of 25-year-old Robert Keith Palomares, an armored guard outside a movie theater.

Brown, 36, 5`10", 175 pounds, blond hair, green eyes. If you have info on Jason Derek Brown, call the FBI, 602-279-5511.

Local news next for some of you, but we`ll all be right back. And remember, live coverage of our live trial, 3:00 to 5:00 Eastern on Court TV`s "Closing Arguments." Please stay with us, as we remember U.S. Army Major Gregory Fester, 41, an American hero.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Welcome back. Breaking news out of Aruba.

The chief suspect in the case of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway`s disappearance is set to be released on Saturday, Joran Van Der Sloot.

To psychotherapist Caryn Stark. Caryn, a lot of people are speculating that somehow this will make the Kalpoe brothers talk. Are they kidding? They`ll think they`re next in line to be released.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: I would agree with you, Nancy. I believe that they`re not going to talk. No one`s talked yet. And as a result, we see that he may be leaving on Saturday and never accused. So I think the Kalpoe brothers are wise to not say anything. And eventually, they may be released as well.

GRACE: Is there a way, Jason, for Van Der Sloot to be charged yet?

OSHINS: Sure, he can be charged, just like the Kalpoe brothers. They can re-arrest him on other charges. And certainly, the whole process could go and start again, just as it has with them.

GRACE: And to Jossy Mansur, Jossy, there`s been a lot of talk that, well, Van Der Sloot is a party boy. He`ll go out, and drink, and yak. You know what? I wouldn`t count on that to make a murder case.

MANSUR: I wouldn`t, either, because I don`t think he`s going to talk. I think he`s going to be extra careful as to what he does and what he says. His father will make sure of that.

GRACE: Jossy, what`s the response there in Aruba to this?

MANSUR: You know, so far, I don`t think too many people know about this yet, because it was just something that came out in the afternoon. And I don`t think the news has gotten out yet.

GRACE: Caryn Stark, it`s already been bad enough on the family to lose Natalee, but now this.

STARK: Think about it, Nancy. Take the fact that they`ve lost their daughter, the debilitation. It will never be ending. And at this point, they have absolutely no resolve. So the loss is exacerbated by the fact that they may never, ever know what happened to her or who did it. So there`s nothing worse than that.

GRACE: Repeat, breaking news out of Aruba. The chief suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot, set to be released on Saturday.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/01/ng.01.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 10, 2008, 12:16:34 PM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?



Here's the transcript, I think....scroll down after Nadira and Anita.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160562,00.html

Thank You Ms. Klassend. I need the video though, if anyone has it saved.
Political Teen removed it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 10, 2008, 12:25:17 PM
Max Arrends (he is the kid in school in Florida). He was the guy who first everyone thought was the witness for Lorenzo, but his sister posted he did not know these guys or something. I vaguely recall her posting at SM about it.

Maxito Arrendz (I believe this is the guy who was the alibi for Lorenzo). He races a red mustang.

Steve Croes races cars too.
Steve Croes had access to the Zodiac (boat).

Has anyone tracked/traced Kalpoes sister?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 02:40:53 PM
. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 10, 2008, 02:43:33 PM
. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 10, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 04:43:05 PM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C


The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...



VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 10, 2008, 04:49:05 PM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C


The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...



VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



Luis Ramirez is their step-father. The address is listed in the chamber records and also, IIRC, there is a picture of their home where the address (number) is visible.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34963

I don't know about the Bouman person though, Caps.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 05:11:37 PM
. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????

Did you mean "gold" bricks? LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 10, 2008, 05:23:35 PM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/k4d06v.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 10, 2008, 05:30:32 PM
Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.

Thank you Rob.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Rob on April 10, 2008, 05:34:52 PM
Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.

Thank you Rob.

always Kerm, anyway, Carpe replied and he does not have it and is looking elsewhere.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 10, 2008, 06:38:34 PM
Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.  There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.


If this is based on the pictures posted with the beach tennis video....the pic of Freddy and Joran was actually an old one from 2004?  I had checked out all the pics when kbm (Kawish/Joran) was posting. It had been loaded as a historic picture...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 10, 2008, 06:44:11 PM
More trivia
Gold Bricks, an album by f***. (Sorry Klass but this is their real name)

f*** was formed in Oakland, California in 1993. The members met while stuck in a police holding cell over the weekend, and wrote a few songs while in jail.[1] They released a self-titled cassette, and a single, MonkeyBeautyShotgun on their own imprint, Rhesus Records, in 1994. (The songs from the cassette would eventually find their way onto later releases.[2]) They released their second full-length album Pretty...Slow in 1996. The album was ultimately released on three different labels. Their third album, Baby Loves a Funny Bunny, was also released in 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_%28band%29


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 10, 2008, 07:00:34 PM
Lalas wrote;

Quote
Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

That news(?) article that listed Joran and Freddy as tennis partners is from 2004. Maybe I am not understanding your post but it seems some are posting about that link as though it is new....so sorry if i misunderstood.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 10, 2008, 07:02:16 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/j8z22c.jpg)

Date is in left upper corner on border


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 10, 2008, 07:11:50 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/j8z22c.jpg)

Date is in left upper corner on border

My point was to show the name Freddy was using before May, 2005.
I don't know what anyone else took from it. :?:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2008, 07:13:02 PM
Lalas wrote;

Quote
Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

That news(?) article that listed Joran and Freddy as tennis partners is from 2004. Maybe I am not understanding your post but it seems some are posting about that link as though it is new....so sorry if i misunderstood.
Thanks BB!  That's what I thought too, I went back and looked at the other results that were posted but they were from March 2008 and no mention of Freddy; I thought this article from September 28, 2004 was the only one I saw Freddy in.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 10, 2008, 10:15:13 PM
I think we sometimes chase our tails in here and never take some things at face value.  I realize that can not always be done in this case, but there are several things ( I suppose you could call the facts) that were known to be true at the time and still are until proven otherwise. 

Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed.  There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too.  Why do I say this?  Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value.  So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL!   Just another day at the office.  :roll:


Mom, You are so good!!  Were you able to at least establish that Steve is Hendrick, Jr.?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 10:31:44 PM
Lalas wrote;

Quote
Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

That news(?) article that listed Joran and Freddy as tennis partners is from 2004. Maybe I am not understanding your post but it seems some are posting about that link as though it is new....so sorry if i misunderstood.

Sorry, didn't mean to confuse...I meant that Freddy used the name he wished to go by which was ZEDAN.  I was talking about the name confusion when using the mother's maiden name.  Again, sorry for confusion...I think I needed to just not comment today...I have had another one of those days as Rob would say.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 10, 2008, 10:33:07 PM
Lalas wrote;

Quote
Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

That news(?) article that listed Joran and Freddy as tennis partners is from 2004. Maybe I am not understanding your post but it seems some are posting about that link as though it is new....so sorry if i misunderstood.
Thanks BB!  That's what I thought too, I went back and looked at the other results that were posted but they were from March 2008 and no mention of Freddy; I thought this article from September 28, 2004 was the only one I saw Freddy in.

Again.  The date had nothing to do with this...it was Freddy's last name that I was wanting Mum to see.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 10, 2008, 11:15:18 PM
Lalas wrote;

Quote
Mum's Freddy is still the same Freddy she has always looked at...Freddy Zedan...this surname stuff some of these cultures use is just confusing everyone.  Yes, there is a Fred Arends and yes, he may have something to do with this, but we need to see proof before we go running off in too many directions.  Lately, the confusion in here has me in a spin.  I want to see proof of some things and until that happen I am sticking with some of the things we already know...not saying it won't change in the future.

That news(?) article that listed Joran and Freddy as tennis partners is from 2004. Maybe I am not understanding your post but it seems some are posting about that link as though it is new....so sorry if i misunderstood.
Thanks BB!  That's what I thought too, I went back and looked at the other results that were posted but they were from March 2008 and no mention of Freddy; I thought this article from September 28, 2004 was the only one I saw Freddy in.

Again.  The date had nothing to do with this...it was Freddy's last name that I was wanting Mum to see.


Would some-one please repost the LINK for that article. All I can come up with on a search are 2007 and 2008.   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2008, 11:32:24 PM
Nothing wrong with posting it in here..it is true..now we have to wait until the next election to see any change. 


Mum, Sorry, I fell back asleep.  I am now confused again...would you please leave out the Arends guy...I am fairly certain the person you want is going to be Freddy Zedan.  That is the person that gave the PV and the one Anita was so eager to learn information from....that tells me that he DOES have some answers and these are answers they do not want told.  Joran is still playing tennis with Freddy in November of last year...so they are not on the "outs" as friends like Joran is with some others...interesting too, given Freddy gave so many statements to the police.   There is a reason of which we will never know given the fact that those PV's are never going to see the light of day.  Freddy does not need to tell the truth because the Kalpoes can't make him.
Lala's
This is the post that made me think I might have missed something.  How do you know Freddy was still playing tennis with Joran in November of last year? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 10, 2008, 11:48:35 PM


Would some-one please repost the LINK for that article. All I can come up with on a search are 2007 and 2008.   TIA
Mum, I've been checking on the internet but haven't found anything.  If it's still out there it's probably archived so we may have difficulty finding it.  I'm not sure a link to the article was ever posted, may have just been something they had saved.  If I come across a link I will be sure to post it for you. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 11, 2008, 12:38:55 AM
Kerm, Hi....

The only chance to get that video is if Carpe still has it. I just asked him and he has had a lot of accounts closed due to copyright issues, but he might still have it on a disk or HD somewhere. When he replies, I'll post the response.

Thank you Rob.

always Kerm, anyway, Carpe replied and he does not have it and is looking elsewhere.


Okay. You know the one I am looking for is when Greta first approached him and he was sitting in a car & said he had to take the passenger to the airport.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 11, 2008, 12:41:13 AM
. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????

Also, Remember "eightball" who was in that picture with Steve Croes.

Eightball is heroin I think.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 12:55:35 AM
. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????

Also, Remember "eightball" who was in that picture with Steve Croes.

Eightball is heroin I think.


Eight ball - 1/8 ounce of drugs; Eightball - crack and heroin ...
www.nicd.us/drugandrxmedicationspictures.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 11, 2008, 01:00:35 AM
. A "brick" is a bundle of 50 bags of heroin....More trivia!!!

I don't know a lot about heroin, but could it be considered "Yellow"????... I know there is black tar heroin. Just saying ...

yellow bricks?????

Also, Remember "eightball" who was in that picture with Steve Croes.

Eightball is heroin I think.



8 ball is a mixture of speed, coke and heroin...can be fatal, but is used by some hard core.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 06:41:43 AM
LaLa,

THINKING ABOUT THAT CATIRI APARTMENT:


MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual


"I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja." (Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.)

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis







One for Kermit.... ...Ribbitt

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 06:50:49 AM
Hey!!!!  I want to know about Reuben Trappenburg...Why was a government spokesperson on Freddy and Deepak's Tickle sites?

And what sort of government has a fella that works for a radio station as their spokesman???

I think Satish uploaded all his friends on 6/8/2005...part of the plan!

A very interesting and informative video clip of an interchange between Bill O’Reilly, Jossy Mansur, and Reuben Trappenburg on last nights O’Reilly Factor. The discussion was based around Jossy finding out about 3 women who have supposedly been targeted by Joran Van Der Sloot as objects of his affection, perhaps against their will.

Reuben has a very hard time determining if the police know about this, and is befuddled how to answer it. Bill O’Reilly pokes some fun at the Aruban Government Spokesman. “Maybe he should be in charge of the investigation?” referring to Jossy.


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/reuben-trappenberg-jossy-mansur-orielly-wants-to-know-who-knows-more/



Blonde...catching up...sorry...I can't play the video, keep getting redirected, but I find this interesting that this appears to be BOR on 8/23 and Freddy's name wasn't confirmed by Fox until 8/29...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 07:06:01 AM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?




I think these may all be related …..No Arends or Arendz?

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint Name: Jossy Mansur
Date: 25 August 2005 / 12:30
Pages: 2 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator. J.J De Windt
Description: witness statement

Name: Leonardo Lopez Rivera (second statement) May be 'Chato'
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco ...Is this Freddy's girlfriend?Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
Date:30 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 07:09:35 AM
I remember reading this back in 2005, so the interest in the raquet club has always been there. I am just not sure how much to make of it.......


>>>>SNIP

After learning of the story about the pond near the Aruba Racquet Club and how law enforcement and the fire department kept Equusearch from the area the more important it became.

Unable to find the handy dandy map I was using, I was forced to do a search and found a very interesting listing that caught my attention. I try very hard to ignore the multitude of real estate listings that invariably come up wheneve I search for a map but this one screamed out at me for some reason. It looked familiar. It appears to be the Van der Sloot home, I am pretty sure about that. So I clicked the See owner's other properties and then found this. When you look at this photo of the home you will see that the side of the house faces the racquetball court, as I have drawn it on the map. You can click on the map to enlarge it. This will give you a better perspective of the areas discussed by the emerging witnesses and this house that appear to belong to the Van der Sloot family or possibly a corporation that Mr. Van der Sloot is involved with. This begs the question, did Joran have access to that house

http://tinyurl.com/3nnxfw



Wow, and I just happened to stumble across this old post today.  I thought the cryptic message was probably describing Lorenzo's house, but now I see what you have found about the Sloots owning other properties.

Posted by: Truth | Friday, December 07, 2007 at 01:56 PM
hard to believe... does PVD own or family-own other land in Aruba? If this land is close enough to hear the ocean- by a cliff?? Has bermuda grass and a garden with unfinished fish pond *cement in bags near by! distant cousin or cousin in law with a housekeeper??? small plot of land with chicken wire around it??? can hear surf; smell ocean??? washing machine in house-washed clothes dressed NH in different clothes- buried shoes, etc. in bermuda grass--- perhaps, NH alive- memory wiped clean??? no memory... now not on aruba somewhere foreign with dark moorish man??? if others have disappeared - huamn traafficking is a possibility! PVS is fishing pole; son is hook... drug is bait... look at the big picture,NH's story involves a lot of money... and big players--- JVS knows alot more than is being said... NH in house for some time around 3 am ... rental car---came---she disappeared. why let her die- if nothing was at stake??! (dream too vivid to be ignored)

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/paul_van_der_sl_1.html


Not just this property...I think they own or owned at the time an apartment.  I was told this by a reliable source once in a PM...that is when we had PMs. LOL


Anything that you can share, please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 07:14:11 AM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


Caps...Can you please tell me where these districts are? Are they in Suriname?

Should we be looking at De Veer and the Marriott - Renaissance?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 07:22:41 AM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C


The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.





 


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...



VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



Luis Ramirez is their step-father. The address is listed in the chamber records and also, IIRC, there is a picture of their home where the address (number) is visible.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34963

I don't know about the Bouman person though, Caps.


Found a soccer guy in the Netherlands, Maarten Bouwman????  Mot sure where Evert or Opila, sp. are comimg from either.  Confused!!!  Just a normal day in the Shango thread!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 07:57:18 AM
GBMW…posted this on NAH….so I guess I did miss what Caps was saying!
« Reply #913 on: Today at 06:35:08 AM »

Patrick van der Eem, who's has been an incredible help in this case, comes from Curacao and I think he has family living on Aruba (I'm not sure though). He helped Natalee's loved ones without knowing if it would lead to anything....for months he was living "Joranlife"; his family / social life / job...all suffered for it and he did it without any hesitation. Even though he's not an Aruban I do believe he considers himself (as I do) as one of the 'island people'. So I do think that one of the good people of Aruba helped this case in an incredible way...and one of the reasons was his love for the island and its people. You might think the boycott did a part of its job then...I'm hopeful he would have even done it without the boycott


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 08:07:56 AM


Would some-one please repost the LINK for that article. All I can come up with on a search are 2007 and 2008.   TIA
Mum, I've been checking on the internet but haven't found anything.  If it's still out there it's probably archived so we may have difficulty finding it.  I'm not sure a link to the article was ever posted, may have just been something they had saved.  If I come across a link I will be sure to post it for you. 


Thanks everyone for your patience!….I found the link and checked it out. It is from a radio-controlled plane site in Suriname. Articles about them were in the paper and that is why it was on their site. Fellow’s name is David Chin or Chen.

5:24 pm
nancy drew: http://www.aeromodelers.sr.org/david/am28sep04.pdf  28 sept 2004
B-Doubles team Freddy Zedan/Joran van der Sloot beat Peter Villevoix/Lex Burgman in a surprise sweep


So Freddy Zedan it is….LOL…still not sure on the Albert in Momma’s name though!

It appears that for some reason Freddy only called himself Arambatzis for a short time? After his release, I think, he said that from now on he wanted to be called Freddy Zedan.  LOL, what did he do borrow the name for a while?

MO …Ernesto Arambatzis is a half brother, Sasha Rodriguez is a half sister, and we have another Rodriguez in the Dr Phil docs, which may or may not be related. Mutiple marriages!

So I am still stuck with the name of Zedan with very little to go on. It has to be the father’s name, right???

Pic of Freddy and Ernesto here…and maybe Ernesto on the previous page

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680


Would the Monkeys please take a look at this pic that Klaas posted and give me their thoughts on Freddy? It appears to be Moombas and is down towards the bottom of the page. Thank You!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 11, 2008, 09:57:13 AM
Please let me set the record straight...I was mistaken when I type in Freddy and Joran...I was thinking about two things at once...Freddy's last name and the videos from the beach tennis.  As I tried to say and have not made my self clear...I was talking about the name part of the story and my mind (which is limited in capacity) was thinking about the beach tennis at the same time.  Well, I don't multi task very well..so I confused the two.  I am sorry, I never meant to insinuate that I KNEW anything...sorry.  The last two days have been a bit trying so a little leeway here...please.


Now, what's today's topic?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 11, 2008, 10:05:02 AM
Mum
Did you mean to link to the same place twice?  I don't understand your second link and your question because when I open it...it is the same as the first one. TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 10:18:13 AM
Mum
Did you mean to link to the same place twice?  I don't understand your second link and your question because when I open it...it is the same as the first one. TIA

NO...let me check when I get off the phone....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 10:28:37 AM
Mum
Did you mean to link to the same place twice?  I don't understand your second link and your question because when I open it...it is the same as the first one. TIA




Thanks Lala’s…

ERNESTO…
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680



Would the Monkeys please take a look at this pic that Klaas posted and give me their thoughts on Freddy? It appears to be Moombas and is down towards the bottom of the page. Thank You!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2940




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 10:35:13 AM
Please let me set the record straight...I was mistaken when I type in Freddy and Joran...I was thinking about two things at once...Freddy's last name and the videos from the beach tennis.  As I tried to say and have not made my self clear...I was talking about the name part of the story and my mind (which is limited in capacity) was thinking about the beach tennis at the same time.  Well, I don't multi task very well..so I confused the two.  I am sorry, I never meant to insinuate that I KNEW anything...sorry.  The last two days have been a bit trying so a little leeway here...please.


Now, what's today's topic?


Well ...now I think I have the right link....I would like thoughts on Freddy in that pic...not that we have to do another Freddy day...

I have questions on how Steve was determined to be one of the Croes! Totally lost on this one!

Also if any of the genealogy Monks got any further with the GVC/Croes connection.

Found a little on the MIDUSHI that Kermit mentioned...

And did some-one mention an Edward Croes?

But Lala's..if there is something else...I'll go with the flow...LOL

Sorry about messing up the quote!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 11, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
Mum
Did you mean to link to the same place twice?  I don't understand your second link and your question because when I open it...it is the same as the first one. TIA




Thanks Lala’s…

ERNESTO…
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680



Would the Monkeys please take a look at this pic that Klaas posted and give me their thoughts on Freddy? It appears to be Moombas and is down towards the bottom of the page. Thank You!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2940




(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranFreddySasha.jpg)

This one, Mum?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
Mum
Did you mean to link to the same place twice?  I don't understand your second link and your question because when I open it...it is the same as the first one. TIA




Thanks Lala’s…

ERNESTO…
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2680



Would the Monkeys please take a look at this pic that Klaas posted and give me their thoughts on Freddy? It appears to be Moombas and is down towards the bottom of the page. Thank You!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2940




(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranFreddySasha.jpg)

This one, Mum?


Thank You vms....that will make it so much easier! Good Morning!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 11, 2008, 12:14:47 PM
Posted this in the NAH thread this morning....thought I'd put it here too...names...names...and more names...  Destiny.

*Hmmmmmmmm....found an intersting link...I think it has all the people we've ever talked about listed...it has all their full names...and where they live/local....found this one there:

VAN RIJN-VAN TRAKSEL     ASTRID LOUISE     SAVANETA

Yes....Ramona is there too...she is listed with Noord...*

Full link here: http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 11, 2008, 01:03:53 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 11, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 11, 2008, 01:29:53 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Thanks VMS....I'm always behing the curve....LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 11, 2008, 01:36:28 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Thanks VMS....I'm always behing the curve....LOL
No, you are not!  (http://telephoneart.com/animate/ani-phon45.gif)  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Hi vms...just wondering if anyone sees anything different about Freddy? Sometimes I see things differently! Sorry...I thought I had replied...do not multitask very well either!

You don't happen to know the exact charges against the Kalpoes from August of 2005 do you?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 11, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Thanks VMS....I'm always behing the curve....LOL
No, you are not!  (http://telephoneart.com/animate/ani-phon45.gif)  :lol:


...blush...Thank You...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 11, 2008, 01:42:21 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Hi vms...just wondering if anyone sees anything different about Freddy? Sometimes I see things differently! Sorry...I thought I had replied...do not multitask very well either!

You don't happen to know the exact charges against the Kalpoes from August of 2005 do you?   TIA

I have to run for a bit but I will look when I get back, if someone doesn't find it for you first!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 11, 2008, 01:43:56 PM
Thank you

Texasmom and jackb - with the information on eightball.


Thank you

Miss Mum for the statement info.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 11, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?




I think these may all be related …..No Arends or Arendz?

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint Name: Jossy Mansur
Date: 25 August 2005 / 12:30
Pages: 2 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator. J.J De Windt
Description: witness statement

Name: Leonardo Lopez Rivera (second statement) May be 'Chato'
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco ...Is this Freddy's girlfriend?Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
Date:30 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement



Leonardo Lopez Rivera

I'm pretty sure this guy use to be close buddies with Joran and they drank together, but something happened between them. Sounded to me like Joran got ticked at the guy or something and that was the end of the friendship.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 02:00:57 PM
In addition, it was reported that both Max Arends and Jamie Carasquilla were brought in and questioned by polis regarding this pornographic video.)
From August 26
 http://tinyurl.com/ygvhey


MI DUSHI:
STEVE CROES WORKED HERE TOO


DOES ANYONE HAVE THE VIDEO OF GRETA INTERVIEWING STEVE CROES AT HIS HOME WHEN HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HIS PASSENGER TO THE AIRPORT?




I think these may all be related …..No Arends or Arendz?

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint Name: Jossy Mansur
Date: 25 August 2005 / 12:30
Pages: 2 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator. J.J De Windt
Description: witness statement

Name: Leonardo Lopez Rivera (second statement) May be 'Chato'
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco ...Is this Freddy's girlfriend?Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 29 August 2005 / 9:15
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: A.R De Ruiter/ CJM Burgwal
Description: interrogation of a suspect

Name: Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
Date:30 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement



Leonardo Lopez Rivera

I'm pretty sure this guy use to be close buddies with Joran and they drank together, but something happened between them. Sounded to me like Joran got ticked at the guy or something and that was the end of the friendship.




Three statements...wonder if it was something he said?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 11, 2008, 02:42:45 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Hi vms...just wondering if anyone sees anything different about Freddy? Sometimes I see things differently! Sorry...I thought I had replied...do not multitask very well either!

You don't happen to know the exact charges against the Kalpoes from August of 2005 do you?   TIA

I found this for you

The Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect.[13] Freddy Arambatzis (21), according to his lawyer, was suspected of taking photographs of and having physical contact with an underage girl, an incident with allegedly occurred prior to the Holloway disappearance and in which Arambatzis's friends Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were supposedly involved


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Good afternoon, Mum.
What are we looking for in the pic? TIA


Destiny,
Yes, that is where we find many of the names... :wink2:

Hi vms...just wondering if anyone sees anything different about Freddy? Sometimes I see things differently! Sorry...I thought I had replied...do not multitask very well either!

You don't happen to know the exact charges against the Kalpoes from August of 2005 do you?   TIA

I found this for you

The Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested on August 26 along with another new suspect.[13] Freddy Arambatzis (21), according to his lawyer, was suspected of taking photographs of and having physical contact with an underage girl, an incident with allegedly occurred prior to the Holloway disappearance and in which Arambatzis's friends Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were supposedly involved


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway


Thanks Blonde...just trying to understand why the Dr Phil lawyers didn't request Freddy's statements from that time. They requested all the earlier ones and the ones from later on.  Hmmmm!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 11, 2008, 04:15:18 PM

Geez…some really terrible spellers worked on these records, just glad to see they got that Arambatzis in there!

No statements from the August 2005 arrests! Maybe the Dr. Phil lawyers missed them as Lala’s explained earlier.

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 11, 2008, 06:29:26 PM

Geez…some really terrible spellers worked on these records, just glad to see they got that Arambatzis in there!

No statements from the August 2005 arrests! Maybe the Dr. Phil lawyers missed them as Lala’s explained earlier.

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41


The statements were listed by the Kalpoes in response to broad interrogatories from Dr. Phil.  Dr. Phil requested a few things by name, but not each statement.  The statement list was submitted by the Kalpoes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 11, 2008, 06:30:53 PM
Only a guess....but I would think Ernesto was probably not too excited seeing his info hit the internet.  Maybe he told Freddy to drop the name and go with Zedan.   :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 11, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

vely inte lesting.  Remember on David came out alive.  Wonder if Daury Daniel was in the Lion's Den as well.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 11, 2008, 07:38:02 PM
was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

vely inte lesting.  Remember on David came out alive.  Wonder if Daury Daniel was in the Lion's Den as well.   j/b

Remember someone was supposed to have gotten a ride home with an Elvis and his wife whose son was at the casino and the lions den gambling link has an Elvis stuck in there for some reason.    j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 10:03:49 PM
was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

      

 

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

vely inte lesting.  Remember on David came out alive.  Wonder if Daury Daniel was in the Lion's Den as well.   j/b

Remember someone was supposed to have gotten a ride home with an Elvis and his wife whose son was at the casino and the lions den gambling link has an Elvis stuck in there for some reason.    j/b

I remember the story about giving a ride to an Elvis and his wife and came across this while looking for it.  I assume the "Elvis" in the following clip turned out to be Abraham Jones but didn't remember him ever being described as such.

Snip:
June 8, 2005
Natalee Holloway Suspects Identified: Dutch Authorities And MSM Not Telling Full Story

 A report in the Birmingham News has tentatively identified the two suspects arrested and expected to be held over on suspicion of the murder and kidnapping of Natalee Holloway.

A security guard from the casino attached to the hotel identified one of the detainees as Mickey John of Granada, and the other only as Elvis from the nearby island of Bonaire.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/week23/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 11, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: sirensong on April 11, 2008, 10:25:08 PM
http://lionsdenonlinecasino.com/tac.phtml

http://www.macaubusiness.com/index.php?id=1070


Lion's Den


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 11, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 11, 2008, 11:18:56 PM
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:36 am klaasend wrote:

Webshot photo of Freddy working at Champions as a bartender uploaded to Webshots in November 2005:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/freddybartender.jpg

Comment made by this same person on their Webshot site where the above photo of Freddy was found:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/championscnccaption.jpg

Edited to add: Champions Bar is at the Marriot

having some beers @ champions
before going out

where the bartenders told
us too wait for them @
carlos n charlies. everyone
loves us

by jenniferbeth 17



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 12, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123

it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians

Now check these...they know what has happend

The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html

please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.

Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Finbar on April 12, 2008, 12:55:45 AM
And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed.  There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too.  Why do I say this?  Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value.  So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL!   Just another day at the office.  :roll:

Ten times removed is a tad...distant. Me thinks we can find some relations that are closer than that.

http://www.usafamilydetective.com/cousin_chart.htm

Yes, Croes. I feel like I am on the Aruban Express. Croes, Croes, Croes. Ringing like a bell in me head.

Yes, the world is filled with Smith & Jones, but we are not speaking of the world. We are speaking about Aruba. A small island. Many are related. Many. It boils down to Family or Tourist. Leaves quite a predicament. Maybe even in what one might tell another in confidence.

The gossamer of Croes weaves all through the island. Some are of the name Croes as still yet. Some have other names. Some in this thread posted. Some relations, not yet connected by some....

There are many trees on Aruba. Some branches touch other trees. Time allows some to wear the mask of deception.

Trim a branch and see who falls out. It may give you a stir.


Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: sirensong on April 12, 2008, 01:57:26 AM
http://www.midushi.com/

Okay, now I am wondering if Mi Dushi  was the snorkling trip the MB girls took.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 07:57:19 AM

Geez…some really terrible spellers worked on these records, just glad to see they got that Arambatzis in there!

No statements from the August 2005 arrests! Maybe the Dr. Phil lawyers missed them as Lala’s explained earlier.

Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41


The statements were listed by the Kalpoes in response to broad interrogatories from Dr. Phil.  Dr. Phil requested a few things by name, but not each statement.  The statement list was submitted by the Kalpoes.

Thank you Buckeye. The ones from late August would not help the Kalpoes much against Dr. Phil!  Wonder if Dr. Phil can request other statements?

Any word on what is happening in the case?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:06:44 AM
http://www.midushi.com/

Okay, now I am wondering if Mi Dushi  was the snorkling trip the MB girls took.


Hi Sirensong...Not sure if this was ever nailed down. did see de Palm tours posted.

Seems a zodiac patrolled around the Tattoo, so Steve did have access.

From a tourist…

Mi Dushi is a large, old, sailboat. It is well maintained, the crew is great, and you will have a fantastic time! They have a good open bar with premium liquor, including one of the best Bloody Mary’s on the island. They are also known for a new drink they invented called Toxic Waste. We recommend the morning cruise. It really makes a nice day, and you have a choice of a “surf and turf” or barbeque lunch. The also serve a continental breakfast, and fresh fruit at various times during the cruise. They make three snorkeling stops, two at a shallow reef, and one at the sunken German freighter Antilla in about 60 feet of water. They serve the lunch after the three stops. At the last snorkeling stop, before lunch, people can use the rope swing. Even if you don’t want to participate, it’s a lot of fun to watch. They are very safety conscious and always have staff in the water with the people, someone patrolling in the zodiac, and staff watching from the boat. One plus is that they travel with the zodiac, so when they get to the first stop, they can take people ashore in the zodiac. This is great for non-swimmers, children, first time snorkelers, and nervous people. They can then walk into the water from the beach, and go at their own pace. They also have a covered area in the stern of the boat in case you can’t take any more sun. They leave from the De Palm pier between the Radisson and Aruba Grand hotels. This snorkeling trip is the most fun! You can get a discount with the Visit Aruba Plus Card (one discount per each cardholder) if you make your reservation directly with them once you are in Aruba. They also have discount coupons in the tourism packets given out at the airport, but the discount isn’t as large. Even without a discount, this is worth it! We went out once on the Mi Dushi on this trip.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:17:05 AM
Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:24:27 AM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124




Caps...JE posted this on the old thread…same letters

 SUMERIAN=SURINAME

From what I recall there were 124 kids from Mountain Brook on the trip, but haven’t found the post that backs it up…Sorry!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:27:38 AM
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:36 am klaasend wrote:

Webshot photo of Freddy working at Champions as a bartender uploaded to Webshots in November 2005:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/freddybartender.jpg

Comment made by this same person on their Webshot site where the above photo of Freddy was found:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/championscnccaption.jpg

Edited to add: Champions Bar is at the Marriot

having some beers @ champions
before going out

where the bartenders told
us too wait for them @
carlos n charlies. everyone
loves us

by jenniferbeth 17



Thanks Finngirl...Who switched places?...Homework for the day...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 08:45:27 AM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123

it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians

Now check these...they know what has happend

The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html

please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.

Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.

CAPS


Caps…you appear to be trying to reach the ‘112’ from Merian here. My interpretation is 112 witnesses have been questioned, and those are the pieces that don’t fit! Please correct me if I am wrong on this!

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. tetes I believe means heads

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.


Caps...I am sorry but I am totally confused with your posts…you asked about the Sumerians and then in the next post say there are 7! Please elaborate on these posts.

Could you please explain who the 7 Sumerians are? And who are the 4 Dutch?

Need some back up on the 125 MB'ers as well, or your math just won't work!

As always…Thanks in Advance.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: SS on April 12, 2008, 09:27:03 AM
And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed.  There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too.  Why do I say this?  Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value.  So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL!   Just another day at the office.  :roll:

Ten times removed is a tad...distant. Me thinks we can find some relations that are closer than that.

http://www.usafamilydetective.com/cousin_chart.htm

Yes, Croes. I feel like I am on the Aruban Express. Croes, Croes, Croes. Ringing like a bell in me head.

Yes, the world is filled with Smith & Jones, but we are not speaking of the world. We are speaking about Aruba. A small island. Many are related. Many. It boils down to Family or Tourist. Leaves quite a predicament. Maybe even in what one might tell another in confidence.

The gossamer of Croes weaves all through the island. Some are of the name Croes as still yet. Some have other names. Some in this thread posted. Some relations, not yet connected by some....

There are many trees on Aruba. Some branches touch other trees. Time allows some to wear the mask of deception.

Trim a branch and see who falls out. It may give you a stir.


Fin

Good Morning Finbar,

I know that you have us on the trail to another shocking family relationship, but you have to understand that it is very, very difficult for us to trace these families.  I have professional genealogy subscriptions and I can't even find these families.  Most online genealogy sites don't give the names of living family members. The people of the ABC islands have not submitted much genealogy at all.  Some islanders use their father's name and others use their mother's name. A former poster was very unique in having completed a very elaborate family record.  Many of the families also have ties directly into the Netherlands.  Dutch names have had spellling changes.  I understand that vital records are very carefully maintained in Oranjestadt, but we don't have access to those records. You have to help us out here so that we aren't just running in circles.  At least give us a direction to move toward.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Good Morning...SS

Question for the day...Which casino or hotel did the Kalpoe stepfather work at?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 10:17:27 AM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123

it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians

Now check these...they know what has happend

The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html

please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.

Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.

CAPS


Caps...After reading the blog, I am even more confused!!!

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index3.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Kermit on April 12, 2008, 01:12:01 PM
Holloway came to Aruba for a five-day excursion with 124 seniors and 40 chaperons from Mountain Brook High School, near Birmingham, Ala.
 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158485,00.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 12, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
That can't be right 40 chaperons from Mountain Brook High School?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 12, 2008, 02:10:06 PM
That can't be right 40 chaperons from Mountain Brook High School?

Fox was wrong Aruba Prime Minister: Solving Missing Teen Case Is 'No. 1 Goal' - News ...
Natalee Holloway joined more than 100 classmates and seven adult chaperones on a ... of the seven chaperones that went with the graduates on the trip to Aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 12, 2008, 02:39:46 PM
Hi Blonde….Thanks …found this, though I am not sure if this is a generalization or not!  Oh…and the Sumerians could be the dark-haired guys – Wiki!

Alana Jordan:   (responding to suggestion from interviewer that chaperones were not doing their job) Well, the thing is, you have to keep in mind there are 130 of us. Natalee is a pretty popular girl. She's friends with a lot of us. So if she wasn't with one group of friends, it wasn't that no one was looking out for her. It was that everyone was looking out for her, and we all thought she was with another group of friends.   We were all out really late. There was no way the chaperones could have kept up with all of us. I was sitting by the pool until about 5 a.m. And our plane left three hours later.  So I don't blame the chaperones in any way at all. They definitely did their job.

From texasmom….
Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 12, 2008, 03:07:50 PM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



An article I read the other day said 125, but I have mostly read 124.  There should be a list in this blog.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 12, 2008, 03:32:21 PM
Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.




Thanks Mum.  I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too.  Maybe that was it.
Jackb.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 12, 2008, 03:46:59 PM
Gezzz wonder why we can't find the truth look...

The next day, Natalee left with approximately 125 students and 7 chaperone's
abcnews.go.com

Natalee and approximately 130 of her classmates

The students and 7 adult chaperone's




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 12, 2008, 04:25:43 PM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123

it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians

Now check these...they know what has happend

The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html

please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.

Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.

CAPS

Could he have just been saying because she is a white American we seem to think (figuratively) she is more important than 4 dutch islanders and 7 sumerians?  Maybe that is just a figure thrown out there.  Then again, he might know nationalities of those closer to a planned disappearance or something of that nature.   j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 12, 2008, 08:02:29 PM
BOB PLUMMER, CHAPERONE ON NATALEE HOLLOWAY ARUBA TRIP: Thanks for having me.

VAN SUSTEREN: Bob, first of all, how many students went on this trip?

PLUMMER: About 130.

VAN SUSTEREN: Out of the 130, what percentage, loosely, were actually adults, were 18 years old?

PLUMMER: I think there were only maybe five or six that were not.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And as Natalee was 18 at that time, she was an adult?

PLUMMER: Yes, ma'am.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. How many chaperones went on the trip?

PLUMMER: There were seven.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186017,00.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: finngirl on April 12, 2008, 11:15:20 PM
Question for the day...Which casino or hotel did the Kalpoe stepfather work at?   TIA

musta missed that

my only recollection is car rental business



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 12, 2008, 11:50:09 PM
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:36 am klaasend wrote:

Webshot photo of Freddy working at Champions as a bartender uploaded to Webshots in November 2005:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/freddybartender.jpg

Comment made by this same person on their Webshot site where the above photo of Freddy was found:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/championscnccaption.jpg

Edited to add: Champions Bar is at the Marriot

having some beers @ champions
before going out

where the bartenders told
us too wait for them @
carlos n charlies. everyone
loves us

by jenniferbeth 17



Thanks Finngirl...Who switched places?...Homework for the day...LOL

Joran switched places (he said) with his father at the gambling table.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2008, 01:13:38 AM
Hi monkeys

a question, Any body had any luck searching for the sumerians

other question how many kids were there on the trip 123 or 124



Hi Caps,
Sorry I can't be of much assistance.  I have no idea on the sumerians.  Dave said in his book that there were "approximately 125 students" and 7 chaperones on the trip.  Hopefully someone else will have a more accurate count on the students.

so it was 125 - 1 = 124 - 1 = 123

it was 4 Dutch islanders + 7 Surinamians

Now check these...they know what has happend

The Aruba case - I've been waiting for this

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index2.html

please research this blog ... it seems tobe talking about what has happend from the gamblers point of view.

Klaasend see what you can research out of this gamblers site.

CAPS


Caps...After reading the blog, I am even more confused!!!

http://www.sportscartel.com/lounge/f7/aruba-case-i-ve-been-waiting-29051/index3.html


Capslock - I looked at the thread link you provided plus I searched that forum for more.  I don't find anything of interest there.

7 Surinamians - I'm assuming means 7 from Suraname (not Sumerians)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 13, 2008, 11:54:36 AM
I think there were 124 students on that trip.  I need to ask someone...but I believe that is the correct number.  My reason for saying this...if the chaperones had been there to actually oversee the students as in some high school trips that would be an average of 15 to 17 students each chaperone would be responsible for.  3 years ago I had this figured out, but since then I have lost my work on this.  I know what the news reports said and I think they were using a rounded figure. I also know that some students that were there were not counted among the 124 because of other methods of arrival and departure as in private planes or length of time they stayed. Don't anyone take this as gospel...I am just retelling a story told to me. It's just FYI to ponder.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 13, 2008, 11:56:04 AM
Caps
Who are the 7 from Surinam?  Which 4 Dutch? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 13, 2008, 01:33:59 PM
Lalas and Mum

Left something for you on page 12 of the main thread.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 13, 2008, 04:12:56 PM
Posted by Buckeye in NAH:

Now this is weird.  Destiny inspired me to go to the aruba bb and look what came up:

Old  01-14-2006, 07:58 AM
   
  post #6 (permalink)
   
martyn
 
Posts: n/a
   
Re: fishing
We fished on the sweet mary last year (Captain Lorenzo), was very rough water with 8 foot swells, but was good fishing and a really fun morning. We caught the boat from palm beach.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/fishing-3874/

Do I hear Shango??   


Captain of The Sweet Mary is/was Lorenzo Erasmus.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 13, 2008, 04:53:50 PM
(http://i28.tinypic.com/rv8xlu.jpg) (http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=22769)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 13, 2008, 05:06:39 PM
"Sweet Mary" Fishing Charter

Fishing with "Sweet Mary" is a pleasure when Captain Jack Christiaans is taking you off the coast of Aruba. Please contact for additional information and availability.

Half day: US $240 Included: soda.
Full day: US $480 Included: soda and sandwiches.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_sweet_mary_fishing.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 13, 2008, 07:53:08 PM
"Sweet Mary" Fishing Charter

Fishing with "Sweet Mary" is a pleasure when Captain Jack Christiaans is taking you off the coast of Aruba. Please contact for additional information and availability.

Half day: US $240 Included: soda.
Full day: US $480 Included: soda and sandwiches.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_sweet_mary_fishing.html

The post from Jan 2006 talked about Captain Lorenzo (in 2005).   :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 13, 2008, 08:01:46 PM
kevin d hits the beach
Sept 8-15, 2006
Submitted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 by:


Monday Sept 11:

 Usual morning at the fishing spot, but no catches. Mariza stopped by again on her way to work, and we made plans to visit Charlie’s Bar in the eve and then dinner at Texas de Brazil. I lost a couple more lures due to the cudas sawing off my line, so I figured it was time to try to even the odds. I went to the seaport marina and talked to a boat captain, who gave me some extra line (60 pound test) for a leader, and also some misc tackle to use. As a sign of my gratitude, I scheduled a fishing charter with him (Captain Lorenzo, with the Sweet Mary) for the next day.

http://tripreports.visitaruba.com/dynamic/servlet/ReportDetails;jsessionid=B2F2B15626293FB2CD25C2ABE06B256B?CAT_ID=19&ARTICLE_ID=1174


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 13, 2008, 10:46:01 PM
hI Monkeys,

My research has brought me in troble waters but I can swim.

question When they have not bring in Dumpig in the Tribe, he work for the Croes's and the Oduber's

they needed 4 scarifice to safe THE LAW business

Now Dompig work for Oduber but also for Rudy Croes.

Dompig is not from Holland but from Surinam,

Now Dumpig works as the head of Security for Marrotte Hotel (private Security)

What my report show, that  is the case is the C's and O's now I need to find all who are in the O's that are in government and the C's that are in goverment.

How long was Dumpig working in Aruba. Was he here in the time of Betico Croes?


The key is Him.  no doubt about it




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2008, 10:53:29 PM
hI Monkeys,

My research has brought me in troble waters but I can swim.

question When they have not bring in Dumpig in the Tribe, he work for the Croes's and the Oduber's

they needed 4 scarifice to safe THE LAW business

Now Dompig work for Oduber but also for Rudy Croes.

Dompig is not from Holland but from Surinam,

Now Dumpig works as the head of Security for Marrotte Hotel (private Security)

What my report show, that  is the case is the C's and O's now I need to find all who are in the O's that are in government and the C's that are in goverment.

How long was Dumpig working in Aruba. Was he here in the time of Betico Croes?


The key is Him.  no doubt about it




Found this and I do remember something about him being FBI trained:

http://hellopax.blogspot.com/

DOMPIG, GEROLD, Deputy Chief

BIG STORY on FOX with Megan Kendall (10/8 9PM)



MK: Dep Chief Gerold Dompig.

An FBI trained investigator who spent almost ten years in Holland working on major criminal cases. Welcome sir, and tell us. You’re involved in this investigation, what new leads are the police pursuing tonight?

(snipped)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 13, 2008, 11:00:15 PM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 13, 2008, 11:05:26 PM
After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/


SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2008, 11:06:36 PM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 13, 2008, 11:24:15 PM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



A body was found near Tunnel of Love.

We have indication that a couple of hours ago ALE has found a dead body, probably burned in the vicinity of Tunnel of Love. The road to that area was closed off completely. We are in search of information and details of this news. These are the first picture of the area of the incident.

On the News tonight, The reported said that a body was found completely burned and when the authorities arrived, the body was still smoldering and still in smoke. The body was completely burned beyond recognition. They can not determined yet if is was a man or a Women.


More to be revealed in the Morning papers.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 13, 2008, 11:28:11 PM
"Sweet Mary" Fishing Charter

Fishing with "Sweet Mary" is a pleasure when Captain Jack Christiaans is taking you off the coast of Aruba. Please contact for additional information and availability.

Half day: US $240 Included: soda.
Full day: US $480 Included: soda and sandwiches.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_sweet_mary_fishing.html

The post from Jan 2006 talked about Captain Lorenzo (in 2005).   :smt102

I see the boat advertised on a lot of Aruba sites. It must still be active...

Sweet Mary Deep Sea Fishing
Renaissance Marina
Phone 582 7985


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
· 30 Foot Cobita ·
· Beer available upon request ·
· 4 persons maximum ·
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
· Half Day ·
· Complimentary equipment ·
· Soda ·
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
· Full Day ·
· Complimentary equipment ·
· Soda · Lunch: Fried Chicken & Salad ·
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
http://www.onlyaruba.com/activ/fishing.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 13, 2008, 11:36:44 PM
After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/


SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301

Only cleint sofar is the Marriote Hotel.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 13, 2008, 11:38:52 PM
After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/


SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301

Only cleint sofar is the Marriote Hotel.

Interesting. Thanks, Caps.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 13, 2008, 11:42:24 PM
After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/


SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301

Only cleint sofar is the Marriote Hotel.

Then I would assume...the Marriote keeps/pays him enough to not need more clients...and, he should have the *goods* on a lot of people to command this position...but, I could be wrong...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 13, 2008, 11:54:58 PM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



A body was found near Tunnel of Love.

We have indication that a couple of hours ago ALE has found a dead body, probably burned in the vicinity of Tunnel of Love. The road to that area was closed off completely. We are in search of information and details of this news. These are the first picture of the area of the incident.

On the News tonight, The reported said that a body was found completely burned and when the authorities arrived, the body was still smoldering and still in smoke. The body was completely burned beyond recognition. They can not determined yet if is was a man or a Women.


More to be revealed in the Morning papers.


Thanks Capslock - so I guess we can rule out suicide?

Looks like this article may have something to do with the same thing.  Are they looking for a specific suspect?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4505/5/#jc_allComments


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 12:01:35 AM
After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/


SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301

Only cleint sofar is the Marriote Hotel.

Then I would assume...the Marriote keeps/pays him enough to not need more clients...and, he should have the *goods* on a lot of people to command this position...but, I could be wrong...

They provide the overkill security for the Hotel

Now his story has a rap sheet that cover all kind of human violation. His wife was beaten by him so many times and allways got away with it. The police allway have given him another chance. He is knows as women abuser.

Now for which government was he the security adivors.?

Who asked for his resignation. After his resignation he return back to Holland and now has return back to Aruba working with his company for Mariotte

Who did ask for his resignation from the force. one thing I know is that they have not bring him into the tribe.

replacing bernadina... There were plans to replace him with an outsider when Bernadina Left. The new person was De Witte.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 12:02:08 AM
hI Monkeys,

My research has brought me in troble waters but I can swim.

question When they have not bring in Dumpig in the Tribe, he work for the Croes's and the Oduber's

they needed 4 scarifice to safe THE LAW business

Now Dompig work for Oduber but also for Rudy Croes.

Dompig is not from Holland but from Surinam,

Now Dumpig works as the head of Security for Marrotte Hotel (private Security)

What my report show, that  is the case is the C's and O's now I need to find all who are in the O's that are in government and the C's that are in goverment.

How long was Dumpig working in Aruba. Was he here in the time of Betico Croes?


The key is Him.  no doubt about it



Hi Caps,
I know that Ronaldo "Ronny" Bernadino has also been a topic here before.  He was in the police force for a long time, if I remember correctly from the time he was 18.  Was also Chief of Police, but stayed behind the scenes pretty much in Natalee's case.  I believe he retired.  I'm not sure where he is from, but I think he's probably worth looking into.  JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 12:18:14 AM
Scared Monkeys Front Page Article about Dompig Resignation:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/06/gerold-dompig-officially-resigns-from-aruban-police-ale-suffers-brain-drain/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/06/gerold-dompig-officially-resigns-from-aruban-police-ale-suffers-brain-drain/)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 12:26:29 AM
For Caps: RE Dompig

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/12/writ-against-public-speaking-for-chief.html (http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/12/writ-against-public-speaking-for-chief.html)

12.09.2005
Writ against public speaking for chief of police Dompig
Amigoe
12/09/2005

ARUBA – Chief of police, Gerold Dompig, who is in charge of the investigation on the missing Natalee Holloway, is no longer allowed to speak to the media. Justice-minister Rudy Croes has sent him a written order.

The letter came shortly after it became public that Dompig had given a interview to the American magazine Vanity Fair. He told the magazine that the family Holloway / Twitty had obstructed the investigation from the beginning. Consequence to this article, Beth Twitty is again being interviewed in several American TV-shows. She said in The Early Show on CBS that it is very difficult for her to even react on the suggestion. “Everybody knows that we have always respected the Dutch judicial system and we have collaborated with them, until it became very disadvantageous for Natalee. That’s when it became necessary for us to seek help.” Dompig talks too much. Recently, he told the Amigoe how the investigation team was busy doing a profile investigation. Attention is not being focused on the possible suspects here, but the victim. By profiling the victim, the police can figure out what type of people would approach her. “From this investigation it appeared that Natalee was not at all the exceptional person that her family made us believe. During her stay in Aruba, she was a party animal and consumed a lot of alcohol. She most probably used drugs and offered this to others. It appeared that Natalee was even after Joran van der Sloot. He didn’t need much persuasiveness to get her.” According to Dompig, there are three new analysts investigating the case. They read the file and ask questions. “Important is not to be blind.”



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 12:30:38 AM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



A body was found near Tunnel of Love.

We have indication that a couple of hours ago ALE has found a dead body, probably burned in the vicinity of Tunnel of Love. The road to that area was closed off completely. We are in search of information and details of this news. These are the first picture of the area of the incident.

On the News tonight, The reported said that a body was found completely burned and when the authorities arrived, the body was still smoldering and still in smoke. The body was completely burned beyond recognition. They can not determined yet if is was a man or a Women.


More to be revealed in the Morning papers.


Thanks Capslock - so I guess we can rule out suicide?

Looks like this article may have something to do with the same thing.  Are they looking for a specific suspect?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4505/5/#jc_allComments

No they are not related,

The burned case was around 5:00 pm

The patien that escape from the Mental Institute PAZZ escape at 7:00 pm

This weekend more accidents and cars turned over..

Aruba is in Hell....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2008, 12:36:30 AM
Capslock - I'm sorry your island is going through all these problems, I really am. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 12:36:37 AM
For Caps, RE: Dompig

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/12/police-union-president-confirms-that.html (http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/12/police-union-president-confirms-that.html)
12.13.2005
Police Union president confirms that
Holloway case investigation has officially stopped
Until the government explains what exactly the role of the new prosecutor will be
DIARIO Aruba
12/13/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Monday, the police union (SPA) held a press conference to clear up certain matters that are still pending with the police force. According to SPA president Eric Zaandam, there are some things that are going in a troublesome route and because of this he felt it would be good to hold a press conference.

According to Zaandam, he noted that letters that were sent to the police force, to indicate that certain persons cannot speak with the press anymore, etc. Also, in the Public Prosecutor’s Office, certain people cannot speak to the press, which makes everything fall upon the police force, on its employees.

According to the SPA president, it is now enough and they have to explain to the press what is taking place, so that the press can see what is going on.

Zaandam said that he wants to elaborate on the matter of Commissioner Dompig, where he has been prohibited from speaking to the press and that the Minister of Justice said that Dompig speaks too much with the press and because of this he has forbidden him from doing so.

According to Zaandam, 2 months ago Dompig was approached by AHATA’s CEO, who is a member of the Communications Task Force, Jorge Pesquera, to become spokesperson of the task force.

The reason was that a few consultancy companies in the US showed that the message on the part of Aruba was not reaching in a clear and strong manner internationally using the spokespersons that they were using.

The consultancy companies counseled the Task Force to get a person who knows the legal process and knows about investigations in Aruba and so they decided to approach Dompig to do this.

The arrangement for Dompig’s interviews was that all questions that were to be asked of Dompig, among others for the magazine ‘Vanity Fair’, were first screened by the consultancy companies so that Commissioner Dompig could give the appropriate answers. All this took place according rules and wording, with the Prime Minister’s knowledge who gave the OK for this.

Now that everything has come out in Vanity Fair and that the American producers have come out with another strategy to attack Aruba, all of a sudden Dompig has become a person who speaks too much.

The Minister of Justice came into the game, as if there was no communication between the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice, and now all the press knows that the Minister of Justice prohibited Commissioner Dompig from speaking.

These dirty games are unacceptable, according to Zaadam, who said that, for example, no one from the Task Force has come forward to say that they gave Commissioner Dompig the OK themselves, and that they have screened everything and that all was done in a correct manner.

The Prime Minister also can come forward to say that the Minister of Justice was at fault for prohibiting Dompig from speaking. This, according to Zaandam, who said that he wants to bring this type of thing forward to show how the police is being played by all other institutions.

All these games are for one sole objective that is unacceptable for the police, where for example prosecutor Karen Janssen was also prohibited to speak. After some time, now the Minister of Justice has expressed that prosecutor Angela from Curaçao has come to Aruba to conduct an investigation of the team of investigators.

According to the SPA president, Angela has come to Aruba to do this and not to assist in the investigation. This cannot be, according to Zaandam, who said that there can never be and investigation in an investigation.

After that SPA met with the team of investigators, they agreed that they are going to have everything on hold, until they are able to find out exactly what prosecutor Angela has come to do in Aruba. When they asked chief prosecutor Karen Janssen what prosecutor Angela came to do in Aruba, she said that she doesn’t know, that it’s something she can’t.

Prosecutor Angela hasn’t been in contact with the investigative team either, about for example, certain documents that he has related to the case, to see in detail what is taking place.

According to Zaandam, prosecutor Angela is sitting in an office at the Attorney General’s, is looking at the investigation files, which is something that cannot take place, and because of this they have stopped the investigation of the case, temporarily. Zaandam said that he realizes that this is a very troublesome decision, but it will be taken until they find more clarity about this.

He continued to say that now the American Senate has asked for more information on the case of Holloway and the intention of the government to send Arlene Schipper and Commissioner Dolfi Richardson to Washington.

Zaandam said that this is after three Commissioners that they added to the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This way people’s attention is diverted.

This, according to the SPA president, who said that it is a public secret that there is a problem between the Attorney General and chief prosecutor Karen Janssen, and this is just something that cannot go on in the police force. According to Zaandam, he wants to avoid any division within the police force, that they government and others are trying to create.

First there was the supposed clash between Commissioner van der Straten and Commissioner Dompig, where van der Straten retired and things calmed down. Now Dompig took over the case, where they involved Dolfi Richardson in the game, to see if there was a clash.

SPA advised the two Commissioners that there is no clash in the police force and they expressed together that they are behind the investigative team, that they are together in this and that they speak together in respect to the team and the case. It is clear that if there is a separate power who wants to divide this team, they can forget about it.

According to Zaandam, the investigative team is doing a tremendous job and this has also been expressed by the Dutch colleagues, who were also in Aruba for the investigation.

These Dutch experts expressed in an FBI magazine that they could not have done a better job than the Aruban investigative team, however the Minister of Justice indicated that there will be an investigation of the investigative team, on the part of prosecutor Angela (whom he has respect for, according to Zaandam), who has barely 2 years as prosecutor, compared to the 15/16 years of experience of the prosecution’s office.
According to Zaandam, it’s best if they brought a prosecutor or expert from Holland, for example, who has a lit of experience in this area, for them to come do their investigation.

Zaandam said that the police of Aruba even listened to the FBI agents in Aruba speaking to their superiors in the US, saying what a good job the Aruban investigators are doing and do with the resources they have.

Posted by Getagrip at 12/13/2005 11:56:00 PM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 12:47:03 AM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game


Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 14, 2008, 12:57:23 AM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game


Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 

I too ask CAPS....and, I do Thank You, for all your research, and sharing of *inside* information  here....Bless You Caps...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 12:59:05 AM
Another article for Caps, RE: Dompig
Thank goodness for Getagrip!
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/gerold-dompig-remains-spokesperson-but.html (http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/gerold-dompig-remains-spokesperson-but.html)

4.06.2006
Gerold Dompig remains spokesperson but not head of the Natalee Holloway investigative team
Bon Dia Aruba
4/6/2006

ORANJESTAD – Commissioner Gerold Dompig remains as the person in charge of the investigation of the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This was declared yesterday morning by Minister Rudy Croes during a press conference. At the same time, the Minister indicated that although he preferred for inspector Dolfi Richardson to be the spokesperson for this case, Richardson himself asked for Dompig to remain the spokesperson, due to his knowledge of the case. As such, Dompig was re-appointed as spokesperson for this case.

MEDIA

It was yesterday that a few media outlets reported that Gerold Dompig will no longer be at the head of the investigation, and that he wouldn’t be the spokesperson either, and finally that he wouldn’t be acting interim High Commissioner. A question from Bon Dia Aruba indicated that according to the Minister, this information was not known by him, and that as far as he knows, Dompig remains spokesperson and the one in charge of the investigation.

ROTATING POSITION

Where there really were changes was that the Minister obtained counsel from High Commissioner Bernadina to name Coizy Krozendijk as interim High Commissioner, replacing Commissioner Dompig. This is something normal, due to the fact that he decided to rotate this position every year. Last year was Dompig’s year, and this year it has to change, but the change had not taken place. When Minister Croes asked Bernadina how much time he wants for the change to take place, Bernadina said that it could take place immediately, that is to say, this past 1st of April.

NEWS REFUTED

With this, the Minister of justice wants to refute the news that Dompig was already stripped of his functions and responsibilities, as some media outlets published previously yesterday morning.

Posted by Getagrip at 4/06/2006 06:57:00 PM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Destiny on April 14, 2008, 01:22:28 AM
Another article for Caps, RE: Dompig
Thank goodness for Getagrip!
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/gerold-dompig-remains-spokesperson-but.html (http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/gerold-dompig-remains-spokesperson-but.html)

4.06.2006
Gerold Dompig remains spokesperson but not head of the Natalee Holloway investigative team
Bon Dia Aruba
4/6/2006

ORANJESTAD – Commissioner Gerold Dompig remains as the person in charge of the investigation of the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. This was declared yesterday morning by Minister Rudy Croes during a press conference. At the same time, the Minister indicated that although he preferred for inspector Dolfi Richardson to be the spokesperson for this case, Richardson himself asked for Dompig to remain the spokesperson, due to his knowledge of the case. As such, Dompig was re-appointed as spokesperson for this case.

MEDIA

It was yesterday that a few media outlets reported that Gerold Dompig will no longer be at the head of the investigation, and that he wouldn’t be the spokesperson either, and finally that he wouldn’t be acting interim High Commissioner. A question from Bon Dia Aruba indicated that according to the Minister, this information was not known by him, and that as far as he knows, Dompig remains spokesperson and the one in charge of the investigation.

ROTATING POSITION

Where there really were changes was that the Minister obtained counsel from High Commissioner Bernadina to name Coizy Krozendijk as interim High Commissioner, replacing Commissioner Dompig. This is something normal, due to the fact that he decided to rotate this position every year. Last year was Dompig’s year, and this year it has to change, but the change had not taken place. When Minister Croes asked Bernadina how much time he wants for the change to take place, Bernadina said that it could take place immediately, that is to say, this past 1st of April.

NEWS REFUTED

With this, the Minister of justice wants to refute the news that Dompig was already stripped of his functions and responsibilities, as some media outlets published previously yesterday morning.

Posted by Getagrip at 4/06/2006 06:57:00 PM

Great Data TexasMom....the more we revisit the old info...with nw eyes...the more we see...Kudos to You Girl!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 01:30:47 AM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game


Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 


Will come but I need to make sure what info  I have matches the political agenda of some some of the elders.

Now Natalee was gone in May, in September was the Election and MAP came back to power. Now this guy Dompig was a lot of year in the force and was connected to both Prime Ministers. He was the security advisor. but now THE AVP did not came to Power.

Did Dumpig went to Holland a week before the incident. Anyone know this... It is vague, did rudy travel with Dompig.
source say yes, but I wnat to be sure.

I have most of the keys now and it match but I need to find out for who was he an advisor.

of the prime ministers, who uses him as an advisor in 2005. I know he work for both but one was a personal friend.

They are protecting this famaly that is in LEGAL business. this go all the way into the LAW offices.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 01:53:58 AM
Let pool the strings.

Rudy pull Dompig and dompig pull -----PM1 (MEP government after 2001   - 8 years - Nelson Oduber and Croes Famaly
                                            |____PM2 (AVP Government before 2001 - 8 years Henny Eman + Glambert Croes + Tico Croes

Now one of the PM political party is connected to the (THE NEWS) which is connected to Posner

The card that Paul Van der Sloot song was Dumpig.
Now Dumpig can not sing, so they offer him a peace pipe with the OK from Holland and so he sacrifice his Police job for another private security / law business.

this was with the OK from Holland.

Now on the night in question, he was protecting a famaly and that famaly is in the Law/Legal business.

To protect this Legal/Law Famaly business they had to get rid of the following

pull prosecutor Karen Jansen,
Pull Commissioner Dompig
Pull nvestigator Dennis Cabez [Jacobs?]
Pull Speaker of OM Marian Croes

all with the blessing of Holland.

all these took lucrative golden hand shake.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 02:37:34 AM


Thanks Caps!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 04:16:14 AM
Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.




Thanks Mum.  I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too.  Maybe that was it.
Jackb.

jackb...CHATO   – aka Leonardo, Mexican, drives a green 4 door Ford pick-up truck


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 04:26:28 AM
Question for the day...Which casino or hotel did the Kalpoe stepfather work at?   TIA

musta missed that

my only recollection is car rental business



Finn...IIRC this info was given to me in the NAH thread a while ago and has been in the back of my mind since. Just read the same thing again which is why I asked!

Have questioned the timing of when he was questioned many times, June 2nd and June 28th, same day as Freddy and Lorenzo!

I also recall the car rental story, can you give any more info on this?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 04:40:31 AM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game





Capslock - did you see this today?  Could you translate it?  Looks like they found a burned body near the Tunnel of Love.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4504/8/



A body was found near Tunnel of Love.

We have indication that a couple of hours ago ALE has found a dead body, probably burned in the vicinity of Tunnel of Love. The road to that area was closed off completely. We are in search of information and details of this news. These are the first picture of the area of the incident.

On the News tonight, The reported said that a body was found completely burned and when the authorities arrived, the body was still smoldering and still in smoke. The body was completely burned beyond recognition. They can not determined yet if is was a man or a Women.


More to be revealed in the Morning papers.



WOW!....Excellent Caps!....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 05:35:38 AM
Monkeys, it was not a game for kids but a grown-up game


Caps,
I'm almost afraid to ask...but can you be more specific? 

I too ask CAPS....and, I do Thank You, for all your research, and sharing of *inside* information  here....Bless You Caps...


Caps…Yes …Thanks for all the info, but I see you haven’t responded to the questions about the Dutch and the Sumerians.

Also saw mentioned yesterday Paulus’ dealing with contracts. I have asked about a possible connection to Paulus and specific contracts on at least three occasions in this thread. From my limited research, I have found that the work on these is seriously behind schedule. Actually I don't see that any work was done with the allocated money for the purpoe it was intended. If you have any info on Paulus and his dealing with contracts from 1999, it would be greatly appreciated.

As always…Thanks in Advance…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 06:15:44 AM


« Reply #195 on: April 13, 2008, 07:15:00 AM »   Buckeye

 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2784.180


For Glenda and luvslalom at RU:


Glenda wrote:

He was there on the same day as CC and others who are also not on the Dr. Phil list. Guess they weren't interested as it wouldn't be in their best interest to include these docs in the case with the Kalpoes.


Dr. Phil filed broad interrogatories requesting info from the Kalpoes.  The listed documents are the Kalpoes response to the request.  Dr. Phil did not control the list.  Either Kalpoes  do not have "Eric Williams'" statement (from Sept? 2005), possibly because it would only be found in Joran's case file, or they didn't submit it (against the discovery rules) in the response to the interrogatory.
Please read the original document before you post erroneous info.


Buckeye…re your post on the NAH thread yesterday morning…hope you don’t mind me bringing it over as I find it a lot easier to ‘find’ things here…LOL

One thought on William’s statement. Maybe if the FBI took his statement, they have not shared it with their Aruban counterparts!

Since the Kalpoes are no longer suspects, I am assuming that Mr. Oomen has now been paid and therefore has no reason to withhold information from Deepak’s file.

Also as none of Freddy’s August statements are on the list, there is a couple of possibilities…first, Satish is not mentioned in those statements, so Kock was not given them. Or neither of the Kalpoes were mentioned, and as the charges against Freddy had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, they were not given them. Only thing with this is that Freddy statement from Feb. 2006 is in the Dr. Phil Log?  Thoughts?  TIA

Thanks for the posts on Captain Lorenzo and the Sweet Mary. I see vms has already done some checking!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 06:24:10 AM
Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 14, 2008, 07:25:00 AM
IIRC, the boy in the picture with the ax was named Alex.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 07:45:30 AM
IIRC, the boy in the picture with the ax was named Alex.

Thanks Pita...now that is familiar.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 07:50:30 AM
Let pool the strings.

Rudy pull Dompig and dompig pull -----PM1 (MEP government after 2001   - 8 years - Nelson Oduber and Croes Famaly
                                            |____PM2 (AVP Government before 2001 - 8 years Henny Eman + Glambert Croes + Tico Croes

Now one of the PM political party is connected to the (THE NEWS) which is connected to Posner

The card that Paul Van der Sloot song was Dumpig.
Now Dumpig can not sing, so they offer him a peace pipe with the OK from Holland and so he sacrifice his Police job for another private security / law business.

this was with the OK from Holland.

Now on the night in question, he was protecting a famaly and that famaly is in the Law/Legal business.

To protect this Legal/Law Famaly business they had to get rid of the following

pull prosecutor Karen Jansen,
Pull Commissioner Dompig
Pull nvestigator Dennis Cabez [Jacobs?]
Pull Speaker of OM Marian Croes

all with the blessing of Holland.

all these took lucrative golden hand shake.






And finally I understand where Caps is going, on this one at least, and who he is talking about...IIRC his previous posts correctly!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 14, 2008, 08:57:33 AM
Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/2036194P7698819020.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 14, 2008, 09:44:27 AM
Caps
Which singing card would Dompig have been?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.

UNTRUE - Alexx was the ax person, not Freddy


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 14, 2008, 11:38:22 AM
Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.

UNTRUE - Alexx was the ax person, not Freddy

Is this the same Alex we thought had connections to that band Slipknot? the creepy guy in the mask?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 01:53:24 PM
Can any of the 'veteran' posters verify that the following post is true? I recall reading the axe story, but not that it was Freddy holding the axe. Thought I had seen a pic and it was not Freddy.  TIA

| Friday, August 26, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Freddy was the guy shown in a picture on Tickle and other places holding an ax. I've seen him in a lot of pictures with the Kalpoes and Joran.

UNTRUE - Alexx was the ax person, not Freddy

Is this the same Alex we thought had connections to that band Slipknot? the creepy guy in the mask?


Thanks Lala’s, Klaas, Pita and Blonde for the pic. So if this pic actually was on Freddy Zedan’s site, it could be of a person totally unknown him. Maybe a member of one of his favorite bands. Pretty good chance it is not anyone that was in Aruba.

Now I should probably take everything else that was on his Tickle site with a grain of salt as well! Including the pap posts that were posted there. Tito and Reuben? Did anyone find this site, by following their friends when J2Ks were arrested?

Still have the attic window slightly ajar on Caps theory that Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis is not really Freddy!….LOL…I don’t have an attic anymore!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 01:56:57 PM
Caps...just remembered from last week...who is Everts...Tropical Cafe IIRC and from last night...Cabez (Jacobs)????

Help!!!! TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 14, 2008, 02:11:33 PM
Mum,

This was in Diario in September, 2007.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 02:22:20 PM
Mum,

This was in Diario in September, 2007.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)


Thanks vms...made my day....little sis???

Sort of looks like the 'Haunting Evidence' sketch in that pic! Would love to see a side by side with Deepak! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 14, 2008, 02:25:25 PM
Mum,

This was in Diario in September, 2007.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)


Thanks vms...made my day....little sis???

Sort of looks like the 'Haunting Evidence' sketch in that pic! Would love to see a side by side with Deepak! ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Caps will translate it for us.  :D


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 02:29:28 PM
Mum,

This was in Diario in September, 2007.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)


Thanks vms...made my day....little sis???

Sort of looks like the 'Haunting Evidence' sketch in that pic! Would love to see a side by side with Deepak! ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Caps will translate it for us.  :D

Now there's a thought!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 14, 2008, 02:50:48 PM
No longer works but this was the link: http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/27/


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy2.jpg) (http://www.icq.com/people/full_details_show.php?uin=281007673)


So, it was his birthday...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 02:54:27 PM
No longer works but this was the link: http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/27/


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy2.jpg) (http://www.icq.com/people/full_details_show.php?uin=281007673)


So, it was his birthday...




Thanks again....will run it through the translator if Caps doesn't do it for me!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2008, 03:25:24 PM
From Alexx's old Tickle site:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/alexxcopy.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/alexxaxe1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/alexxaxe.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/alexxx.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/alexxx2guysbed.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/alexx3guys.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 03:31:41 PM
Mum,

This was in Diario in September, 2007.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)


Thanks vms...made my day....little sis???

Sort of looks like the 'Haunting Evidence' sketch in that pic! Would love to see a side by side with Deepak! ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Caps will translate it for us.  :D

Now there's a thought!

Today, this sweet sweet guy made another year of his easy live. No other than FREDDY ZEDAM. He receives bunch of Hugss and Kisses from all his fammaly Much more kisses from all his admirers who at this moment are too much to mention.HaHaHaHa what did you think, did you think you where not going to be in the news papers?

Well as you know my treasure, enjoy your day and don't do any thing too much, TQM=Te Quiero Mucho = I love you very much, your little sister Ghis.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
Mum,

This was in Diario in September, 2007.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Freddy.jpg)


Thanks vms...made my day....little sis???

Sort of looks like the 'Haunting Evidence' sketch in that pic! Would love to see a side by side with Deepak! ::MonkeyCool::

Maybe Caps will translate it for us.  :D

Now there's a thought!

Today, this sweet sweet guy made another year of his easy live. No other than FREDDY ZEDAN. He receives bunch of Hugss and Kisses from all his fammaly. Much more kisses from all his admirers who at this moment are too much to mention. HaHaHaHa what did you think, did you think you where not going to be in the news papers?

Well as you know my treasure, enjoy your day and don't do any thing too much, TQM=Te Quiero Mucho = I love you very much, your little sister Ghis.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 14, 2008, 04:54:23 PM
Mum
Told there was a Zedan in Aruba...really should trust me more often. LOL  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 05:07:29 PM
Question:

Who did Sint John Denied that he knew?

This lawyer is dening is sons, and so to protect the Famaly

need to find the elder




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 14, 2008, 05:09:26 PM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 14, 2008, 05:22:18 PM
Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.




Thanks Mum.  I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too.  Maybe that was it.
Jackb.

jackb...CHATO   – aka Leonardo, Mexican, drives a green 4 door Ford pick-up truck


Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 14, 2008, 06:02:32 PM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

Caps, is this a law firm?


STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
 
Business address SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 20 DECEMBER 2006 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
CROES, HENDRIK SEFERINO
Residing in  SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1942 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER, RUDOLF MARCOLINO
Residing in  SPAANS LAGOENWEG 21, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 24 JANUARY 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
TCHONG, PETRUS JOANNES
Residing in  BYRONSTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 DECEMBER 1944 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 06:56:48 PM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

    JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05
« on: August 21, 2006, 09:58:12 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rough translation

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS                             S.B. KELLY



DUTCH:
______________________________________________________________________

Ok Caps,

You posted information earlier about the following:

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research?  The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes.  Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J.  Young parents, young grandparents but possible....  To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr".  Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about?  Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY? 

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think I need a nap!    ::MonkeyHaHa::





 
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: bleachedblack on April 14, 2008, 07:03:35 PM
jackb wrote;

Quote
Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

What? there is indeed an axe hiding the face, and there is a handle on it NOT made of rope. To many other things have been read into this pic by you that are speculative. You claim to have skills, well could you please point out with more clarity what you are talking about? This photo of Alex the axe man has been around since 2005 and no one has made any claims to see what you are NOW claiming including myself.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 14, 2008, 07:16:06 PM
Question:

Who did Sint John Denied that he knew?

This lawyer is dening is sons, and so to protect the Famaly

need to find the elder






Mickey Johns?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 14, 2008, 07:16:19 PM
jackb wrote;

Quote
Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

What? there is indeed an axe hiding the face, and there is a handle on it NOT made of rope. To many other things have been read into this pic by you that are speculative. You claim to have skills, well could you please point out with more clarity what you are talking about? This photo of Alex the axe man has been around since 2005 and no one has made any claims to see what you are NOW claiming including myself.

Thanks BB
I have been looking into this myself made it larger so maybe we can all see.


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/alex.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Buckeye on April 14, 2008, 07:21:23 PM
I  have no idea if this is true, but EuroRobert (from the FP) once described what all the middle names meant to the Dutch.  IIRC, the fourth name, if there, was the name of the godparent.  I always wanted Joran to have one more name...never found one.

If the new alphabet for Steve Croes is SGCJCroes then J would be his godfather...I think.

Mum


I have no idea about the Freddy, August statements.  You would have to read the Dr. Phil interrogatories then see what the Kalpoes listed as documents supporting the question (they list all their responses in regards to the number of the interrogatory). Maybe there was not a relevant request.  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 14, 2008, 07:26:44 PM
Jackb…Dos Santos statement…Elvis Kelly…IIRC…something bad happened to a relative of his in Holland…

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/dossantos620.htm

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home

Snipped…

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.




Thanks Mum.  I have heard a green truck mentioned somewhere, too.  Maybe that was it.
Jackb.

jackb...CHATO   – aka Leonardo, Mexican, drives a green 4 door Ford pick-up truck


Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

Can I have some of whatever you are smoking?  :roll: :roll: :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2008, 07:38:39 PM
My suggestion is if anyone thinks there is anything hidden in that picture to send it to the FBI.  I assume they would have the skills necessary to decipher the hidden objects.

Personally, I don't see anything hidden in the photo but I also don't have any special equipment or skills.   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: vms on April 14, 2008, 09:12:11 PM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

    JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05
« on: August 21, 2006, 09:58:12 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rough translation

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS                             S.B. KELLY



DUTCH:
______________________________________________________________________

Ok Caps,

You posted information earlier about the following:

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research?  The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes.  Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J.  Young parents, young grandparents but possible....  To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr".  Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about?  Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY? 

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think I need a nap!    ::MonkeyHaHa::





 
 
 


So they arrested the wrong Steve?
Color me totally confused!  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

Caps, is this a law firm?


STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
 
Business address SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 20 DECEMBER 2006 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
CROES, HENDRIK SEFERINO
Residing in  SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1942 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER, RUDOLF MARCOLINO
Residing in  SPAANS LAGOENWEG 21, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 24 JANUARY 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
TCHONG, PETRUS JOANNES
Residing in  BYRONSTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 DECEMBER 1944 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   




Pita…here is the link…Mr Wever is no longer with us! IIRC he was the most senior lawyer in Aruba.

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
Mum
Told there was a Zedan in Aruba...really should trust me more often. LOL  :roll:

Note to self...listen to the Hall Monitor...

Thanks everyone on Alex! What a day...there really is a Freddy, thank goodness! I would hate to think I've been chasing a ghost all this time! And an Alex as well!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 10:02:23 PM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

    JORAN/STEVE CROES - FACE TO FACE MEETING STATEMENT 06/18/05
« on: August 21, 2006, 09:58:12 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rough translation

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS                             S.B. KELLY



DUTCH:
______________________________________________________________________

Ok Caps,

You posted information earlier about the following:

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

Do you have a birthdate on S. G. C. J. in your research?  The reason I was inclined to believe that Steve was related to Hendrik was because of the name given in MSM Seferino Gregory Croes.  Did you come across that name in your research?
The mother and father's birthdates in your research indicate to me that they could also possibly be the grandparents of S. G. C. J.  Young parents, young grandparents but possible....  To my knowledge the Steve Croes that we know as a suspect has never been identified as a "jr".  Is it common to name someone Jr. when the father and the son's names are different?

Is there another Steve Garrido Croes that we don't know about?  Maybe in jail?

I believe an extreme effort is being made to hide the name....WHY? 

How did the media come up with Seferino Gregory Croes?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think I need a nap!    ::MonkeyHaHa::





 
 
 


So they arrested the wrong Steve?
Color me totally confused!  :lol:


Or did they?

Satish said Steve works at Digicel...

JE...Who is 'that person'?

Have a good night everyone!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 14, 2008, 10:07:38 PM
Sorry Caps...Thanks for the translation...If you can doublecheck on the address, I'll make sure he gets a card this year!...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 14, 2008, 11:05:43 PM
You know there are two Steve Croes down there...the one everyone says is related to a monkey and the EMT one....LOL  Here we go again!  We do not have the wrong Steve Croes...he admitted that he lied about the whole thing to Greta...if he was the wrong one why in the heck would he not say so?  I refuse to chase this one around...have at it monkeys...I don't think I can do this any longer.  I am weary after 3 years.   :2brickwall:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 14, 2008, 11:40:06 PM
You know there are two Steve Croes down there...the one everyone says is related to a monkey and the EMT one....LOL  Here we go again!  We do not have the wrong Steve Croes...he admitted that he lied about the whole thing to Greta...if he was the wrong one why in the heck would he not say so?  I refuse to chase this one around...have at it monkeys...I don't think I can do this any longer.  I am weary after 3 years.   :2brickwall:
With as common a name as "Croes", there are probably more than 2.  I read the information on the "Steve Oswald Croes" a long time ago and refreshed my memory of it earlier.  In my opinion there is a deliberate attempt to hide the proper name of the Steve that we know as a suspect in this case.  Or possibly to mislead with it.  I'm not going to chase him around either; I'd just like to know what his proper name is and who his parents are.  It's being hidden for a reason. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 12:49:01 AM
Now the request fot the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the New. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing and they know about it. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.

Do Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 12:58:38 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: jackb on April 15, 2008, 12:58:42 AM
jackb wrote;

Quote
Thanks mum.  Also that pic of the man with the ax is also something other than what it appears.  There are different scenes in there.  I hope someone on here can follow up on that as when taken apart there appears to be ropes around the waist of the figure and on the wrists, injuries to the upper part of the forehead and ropes around the bag in front of this person.  Those are not all "tall grass" there are ropes.  There are other scenes in this picture and the, what looks to be pants with holes is (as well and covered by some really good graphic artist) scenes that appear to be evidence.  That is a what appears to be a canvas bag. It is a total different thing than what it appears.
Part of the scene before working with it does indeed hide a face, but the object is not an ax.  The handle on the ax is actually rope that has been blown up to appear as an ax.  I know this is wild, but needs to be recognized for what it is and that is pictures within pictures showing scenes of horrific crimes and making a mockery of justice.  Who is going to believe this?  Someone out there that has some skills such as I have, only better and with better equipment to work on this, I hope.  Jackb

What? there is indeed an axe hiding the face, and there is a handle on it NOT made of rope. To many other things have been read into this pic by you that are speculative. You claim to have skills, well could you please point out with more clarity what you are talking about? This photo of Alex the axe man has been around since 2005 and no one has made any claims to see what you are NOW claiming including myself.

Thanks BB
I have been looking into this myself made it larger so maybe we can all see.


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/alex.jpg)

Note the wrist ropes.  This may be someone tied to the fence.  Hair is long, wet with??
That is a canvas-like bag in front of him that seems to give the impression of beige pants with holes in the knees.  This needs some work.  The area around the figure in the grass gives some clues.    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 01:01:56 AM
Now the request fot the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the New. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing and they know about it. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.

Do Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



If I had to guess I'd go with Mr. Pink  ::MonkeyWink::  Websites in Aruba came down around August 2005:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 01:38:29 AM
Why would Mr. Pink be the only escort service in Aruba?  I don't think he had a monopoly on it...then again maybe he did.  Would some of the casinos that service the high rollers with the money to pay not have more than one service they utilized there?  Maybe not.

Thinking this out brings me back to the reporter/producer's suicide...again for the "umpteenth" time.  Hey, Simian, I picked that up from you, my dear.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 01:42:33 AM
Why would Mr. Pink be the only escort service in Aruba?  I don't think he had a monopoly on it...then again maybe he did.  Would some of the casinos that service the high rollers with the money to pay not have more than one service they utilized there?  Maybe not.

Thinking this out brings me back to the reporter/producer's suicide...again for the "umpteenth" time.  Hey, Simian, I picked that up from you, my dear.

He wasn't the only escort service in Aruba.  His websites did come down though very early in the case.  Most were all down by August 2005.  That is also when the FBI requested his phone records. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 01:48:37 AM
Here are the only 2 escort services listed at the Aruba Chamber website (with the word Escort in the business name) that were also doing business in 2005:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Escort1.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Escort2.jpg)

You can search the Aruba Chamber from this link:

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Observer on April 15, 2008, 02:00:05 AM
Personally I think Mr.Pink plays a role in all of this..

-------------------------------
I noticed another Escort service that advertises in Arubatoday called arubasexy.com
They started the Web Site on 6-30-05.I wonder if they took over Pink's business?
Registrant:  jeje.margarita@gmail.com
 Aruba Sexy
 Jukuri 66
 Santa Cruz, -- 29000
 AW

 Domain name: ARUBASEXY.COM

 Administrative Contact:
    Mardenborough, Clarens
    Jukuri 66
    Santa Cruz, -- 29000
    AW
    568-0822    Fax: 000-000-0000

 Technical Contact:
    Mardenborough, Clarens
    Jukuri 66
    Santa Cruz, -- 29000
    AW
    568-0822    Fax: 000-000-0000

http://whois.domaintools.com/arubasexy.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2008, 02:04:10 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:02:25 AM
let me put it this way,

That night there were request from clients for forbidden fruits. This escort service had to provide the request and Guido Wever know this escort service that can provide this type of girl. Dompig know about this service and so all the HOTELS GM's

Now a week before, Natalee has discover the secret of this escort service. Now it seems that some other girl has used the service. This Escort uses the Brickel Hotel for the movies and in the case of Natalee, there was another plan at work. they went to another place.

Now this place is where the garderners work.

Question where did the garderner work and for who?

Now for the maze and the rave

the maze is the location
there ware diffrent maze keys and I have the answer soon the escort name is solved.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 06:46:00 AM
Steve Garrido Croes ???? son of Lawyer

Caps, is this a law firm?


STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
 
Business address SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the STICHTING DERDENGELDEN CROES WEVER TCHONG 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 20 DECEMBER 2006 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
CROES, HENDRIK SEFERINO
Residing in  SEROE PITA 22, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1942 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
WEVER, RUDOLF MARCOLINO
Residing in  SPAANS LAGOENWEG 21, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 24 JANUARY 1943 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
TCHONG, PETRUS JOANNES
Residing in  BYRONSTRAAT 13, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 DECEMBER 1944 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  20 DECEMBER 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   




Pita…here is the link…Mr Wever is no longer with us! IIRC he was the most senior lawyer in Aruba.

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/







At the risk of giving Lala’s a major headache, and being written up big time…it has crossed my mind that Geoffrey Wever may have been the ‘G’ from Amsterdam working in the casino for the summer. IIRC University of Amsterdam is where our Ms Akers did her Master’s…

Geoffrey B. Wever

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=21

Hendrick…Leiden University…shades of Mirian…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leiden_University   

Leiden University (Dutch: Universiteit Leiden), located in the city of Leiden, is the oldest university in the Netherlands.[1] It is a member of the Coimbra Group, the Europaeum and the League of European Research Universities. The university was founded in 1575 by Prince William of Orange, leader of the Dutch Revolt in the Eighty Years' War. The royal House of Orange and Leiden University still have a close relationship.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 07:18:59 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.

X-otic Massage and Escort Service   aka ArubaSexy

http://www.arubasexy.com/XoticHomePage.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 07:41:34 AM
First page where the gardener was discussed, last time. Warning…it covers many pages!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.460


Believe after all the discussion the general consensus was Luis Mansur.

Here is the link to Ramos statements.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/ramos.htm

From Dr. Phil docs…something a little off with the dates compared to above???

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date:22 July 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly/Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement by a gardener

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 26 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Shapiro Kelly
Description: witness statement

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 11 August 2005
Pages: 1 (6 attachments of boat crew list)  Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 16 August 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Caps….you are not talking about Lorenzo’s gardeners, are you…LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 07:44:01 AM
Caps...is this the Evert you mentioned re the Tropical Cafe?...TIA

Name: Evert Gerars (Moomba Beach Manager)
Date: 16 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Luigi Croes Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by a Moomba Beach manager



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 08:13:35 AM
Caps...is this the Evert you mentioned re the Tropical Cafe?...TIA

Name: Evert Gerars (Moomba Beach Manager)
Date: 16 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Luigi Croes Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by a Moomba Beach manager



Yes,


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 08:17:36 AM
First page where the gardener was discussed, last time. Warning…it covers many pages!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.460


Believe after all the discussion the general consensus was Luis Mansur.

Here is the link to Ramos statements.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/ramos.htm

From Dr. Phil docs…something a little off with the dates compared to above???

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date:22 July 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly/Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement by a gardener

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 26 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Shapiro Kelly
Description: witness statement

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 11 August 2005
Pages: 1 (6 attachments of boat crew list)  Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 16 August 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Caps….you are not talking about Lorenzo’s gardeners, are you…LOL


Dompig knew the gardeners : who are the gardeners and where to they work. the place.?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 08:17:46 AM
Caps...is this the Evert you mentioned re the Tropical Cafe?...TIA

Name: Evert Gerars (Moomba Beach Manager)
Date: 16 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Luigi Croes Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by a Moomba Beach manager



Yes,


Thanks...was this his golden handshake...or is this another 'coincidence?

Can't seem to get away from both Marriotts though...supposed to be independant except for the name? Marriott-beach...Metacorp and de Veer the Renaissance!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 08:22:29 AM
Why would Mr. Pink be the only escort service in Aruba?  I don't think he had a monopoly on it...then again maybe he did.  Would some of the casinos that service the high rollers with the money to pay not have more than one service they utilized there?  Maybe not.

Thinking this out brings me back to the reporter/producer's suicide...again for the "umpteenth" time.  Hey, Simian, I picked that up from you, my dear.

You have my attention!...You have a theory, can you share?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 08:28:29 AM
Caps...is this the Evert you mentioned re the Tropical Cafe?...TIA

Name: Evert Gerars (Moomba Beach Manager)
Date: 16 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Luigi Croes Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by a Moomba Beach manager



Yes,


Thanks...was this his golden handshake...or is this another 'coincidence?

Can't seem to get away from both Marriotts though...supposed to be independant except for the name? Marriott-beach...Metacorp and de Veer the Renaissance!
somehow these Dutch have enough money to run these business / bars / cafe's /etc/ , or like a said they must have done something or know something that them well off in an instant.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 08:32:01 AM
First page where the gardener was discussed, last time. Warning…it covers many pages!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.460


Believe after all the discussion the general consensus was Luis Mansur.

Here is the link to Ramos statements.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/ramos.htm

From Dr. Phil docs…something a little off with the dates compared to above???

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date:22 July 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly/Luigi Croes
Description: witness statement by a gardener

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 26 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Shapiro Kelly
Description: witness statement

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 11 August 2005
Pages: 1 (6 attachments of boat crew list)  Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carlos Penata Ramos
Date: 16 August 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Caps….you are not talking about Lorenzo’s gardeners, are you…LOL


Dompig knew the gardeners : who are the gardeners and where to they work. the place.?


Caps...if you mean Carlos Ramos, he worked for Eric Mansur...sorry got them mixed up!

If you mean Lorenzo's gardeners...they were I believe Columbians he called gardeners and used as guards or so we have been told!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 08:44:07 AM
Caps...is this the Evert you mentioned re the Tropical Cafe?...TIA

Name: Evert Gerars (Moomba Beach Manager)
Date: 16 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator. Luigi Croes Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by a Moomba Beach manager



Yes,


Thanks...was this his golden handshake...or is this another 'coincidence?

Can't seem to get away from both Marriotts though...supposed to be independant except for the name? Marriott-beach...Metacorp and de Veer the Renaissance!
somehow these Dutch have enough money to run these business / bars / cafe's /etc/ , or like a said they must have done something or know something that them well off in an instant.

What did the Kalpoe stepdad do to land the Internet Cafe? Any ideas?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 08:46:25 AM
Maybe if we made a list your string may become a noose! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 09:09:41 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.

Also  they saw a arm ,someone tried to open the door

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Documents/WhatleyFBIstatement.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 09:19:41 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.

Also  they saw a arm ,someone tried to open the door

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Documents/WhatleyFBIstatement.jpg)


Good Morning Blonde...Dark uniforms...IIRC the Soul beach security wore black uniforms, I wonder where they were hired from?

Just an FYI...One of the 'bones' was found right before Kalpoes and Freddy were arrested in August!  What were the new charges against the brothers again?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 09:43:41 AM
Good Morning MumInOhio

The Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested on August 26
along with another new suspect.[13] Freddy Arambatzis (21), according to his lawyer, was suspected of taking photographs of and having physical contact with an underage girl, an incident with allegedly occurred prior to the Holloway disappearance and in which Arambatzis's friends Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were supposedly involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:44:44 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.

X-otic Massage and Escort Service   aka ArubaSexy

http://www.arubasexy.com/XoticHomePage.htm

Pita do yu know who owns the X-otic ?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 09:53:37 AM
Personally I think Mr.Pink plays a role in all of this..

-------------------------------
I noticed another Escort service that advertises in Arubatoday called arubasexy.com
They started the Web Site on 6-30-05.I wonder if they took over Pink's business?
Registrant:  jeje.margarita@gmail.com
 Aruba Sexy
 Jukuri 66
 Santa Cruz, -- 29000
 AW

 Domain name: ARUBASEXY.COM

 Administrative Contact:
    Mardenborough, Clarens
    Jukuri 66
    Santa Cruz, -- 29000
    AW
    568-0822    Fax: 000-000-0000

 Technical Contact:
    Mardenborough, Clarens
    Jukuri 66
    Santa Cruz, -- 29000
    AW
    568-0822    Fax: 000-000-0000

http://whois.domaintools.com/arubasexy.com

Caps...I am not sure if this is the same place that ******* posted or not?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 09:58:51 AM
Good Morning MumInOhio

The Kalpoe brothers were re-arrested on August 26
along with another new suspect.[13] Freddy Arambatzis (21), according to his lawyer, was suspected of taking photographs of and having physical contact with an underage girl, an incident with allegedly occurred prior to the Holloway disappearance and in which Arambatzis's friends Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were supposedly involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway

Thanks Blonde...I think the charges changed later...will check with Tamik...I will have to find the article, but I think the bone was found August 24th. I believe the underage sex charges were dropped, convenient, no Freddy statements, and more serious charges in Natalee's case were bought.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 10:04:09 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/1LOCKED.gif)

Please move to Shango/Simian thread #3

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.0