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Title: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
I'll post the link to the last page of #2 here:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg374014#new


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 10:06:35 AM
Hello Hello  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:10:19 AM
Hello Hello  ::MonkeyCool::

Hello...new digs already!...Did Caps get lost!

Good Morning vms!

Thanks Klaas...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 10:12:46 AM
In early July 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach
There has been mention in the local papers that the bones are possibly from crew members of an ancient ship wreck over 100 years old. Good One lol




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 10:21:17 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.

X-otic Massage and Escort Service   aka ArubaSexy

http://www.arubasexy.com/XoticHomePage.htm

Pita do yu know who owns the X-otic ?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/xotic.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ArubaSexy.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:22:58 AM
Yes!  New carpet this time, huh?  Morning monkeys!  Has anyone noticed the Shango thread is moving right along? 

Have we found the 5th suspect yet?  Did I miss it?  Was it Steve, with the many relatives, Croes or Freddy, we don't know ya last name for sure, Zedan?  What happened to Lorenzo?  Has he been taken off the list? 

I knew there had to be more than one escort service in Aruba...yes, I agree, the fact that the FBI want to check into Mr. Pink is very suspicious....I think they were curious on many levels as to what or who Mr. Pink associated with...hmmmm that bring us back to Lorenzo now, doesn't it?

I came in here to answer a question from Mum and now I have forgotten it...rats!  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:24:02 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587

ok

they where located in Moko and where in the massages bussines
now lets look at the addess to the Dutch Apartmnts

if we find this complex we have the murder place


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:24:45 AM
In early July 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach
There has been mention in the local papers that the bones are possibly from crew members of an ancient ship wreck over 100 years old. Good One lol





I think I can find it, Blonde, I just had it last week. fox or CNN...I think the 26th. Will look, as they asked if the arrests had anything to do with the bone...may have been the one off of Venezuela!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
Yes!  New carpet this time, huh?  Morning monkeys!  Has anyone noticed the Shango thread is moving right along? 

Have we found the 5th suspect yet?  Did I miss it?  Was it Steve, with the many relatives, Croes or Freddy, we don't know ya last name for sure, Zedan?  What happened to Lorenzo?  Has he been taken off the list? 

I knew there had to be more than one escort service in Aruba...yes, I agree, the fact that the FBI want to check into Mr. Pink is very suspicious....I think they were curious on many levels as to what or who Mr. Pink associated with...hmmmm that bring us back to Lorenzo now, doesn't it?

I came in here to answer a question from Mum and now I have forgotten it...rats!  :roll:

Good Morning!...Was it about the suicides?

Today it is ZEDAN!

Lorenzo...have never found it again, but read that Kendrik Croes was his lawyer for the drug charges....quit looking after about the third try!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:35:53 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587

ok

they where located in Moko and where in the massages bussines
now lets look at the addess to the Dutch Apartmnts

if we find this complex we have the murder place


From the phone book:

ARUBA X-OTIC MASSAGE & ESCORT     
Jucuri 66

I noticed they mention offering private parties and renting party space on their website...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587

ok

they where located in Moko and where in the massages bussines
now lets look at the addess to the Dutch Apartmnts

if we find this complex we have the murder place


Caps
I am confused a little...are you now saying that these Dutch apartments are murder central?  I thought you said they handed Natalee back to Joran and the Kalpoes while they waited outside?  Is that another story that I am mixing with this one? 

If she died there, why would the Sloots residence search be limited later?  By allowing a full search it would have gone a long way to absolving them of guilt.  Would this not eliminate Joran and the Kalpoes of any guilt in her death?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:39:47 AM
Yes!  New carpet this time, huh?  Morning monkeys!  Has anyone noticed the Shango thread is moving right along? 

Have we found the 5th suspect yet?  Did I miss it?  Was it Steve, with the many relatives, Croes or Freddy, we don't know ya last name for sure, Zedan?  What happened to Lorenzo?  Has he been taken off the list? 

I knew there had to be more than one escort service in Aruba...yes, I agree, the fact that the FBI want to check into Mr. Pink is very suspicious....I think they were curious on many levels as to what or who Mr. Pink associated with...hmmmm that bring us back to Lorenzo now, doesn't it?

I came in here to answer a question from Mum and now I have forgotten it...rats!  :roll:

Good Morning!...Was it about the suicides?

Today it is ZEDAN!

Lorenzo...have never found it again, but read that Kendrik Croes was his lawyer for the drug charges....quit looking after about the third try!!!

Is this another relation on that tree branch?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:42:16 AM
C-Jam Hair Studio
Jucuri # 66, Santa Cruz

Our Barbers
Clarence Mardenborough
Eugene Courtar
Alcides Marine
Jonathan Oduber
Delanho Jacobs
John Lugay

http://www.c-jamproductions.com/newcjamhairmap.htm


*************


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 DECEMBER 1995 under serial number 19639.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
 
Business address JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
Date of commencement  31 JANUARY 1996 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MARDENBOROUGH, CLARENS EMANUEL; 
Residing in  JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 OCTOBER 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  18 DECEMBER 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAP-, MASSAGE- EN SCHOONHEIDSSALON, TEVENS HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAPPERSBEDRIJF MET DE WAGEN.

2. HET VERKOPEN VAN STERK-, ZWAK- EN NIET-ALCOHOLISCHE DRANKEN EN HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN INTERNET-CAFE TEVENS DE KLEINHANDEL IN SNACKS, SANDWICHES, ANDERE EETGERECHTEN EN MAALTIJDEN.

3. HET ORGANISEREN, VERZORGEN EN BEGELEIDEN VAN FEESTEN, VOORSTELLINGEN, MUZIKALE PRODUKTIES EN VERMAAK EVENEMENTEN;

4. HET ORGANISEREN, BEGELEIDEN, PROMOTEN, GEVEN EN DOEN GEVEN VAN VOORSTELLINGEN, ZOALS MUZIKALE OPTREDENS EN SPORTEVENEMENTEN (DE ZOGENAAMDE "MIX MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITIONS"). 
   
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19600


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:43:42 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:46:52 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
 Lala's...LOL...not many Zedans...huge company .sa - not South America - Saudi Arabia...LOL...have followed Freddy around the globe this past weekend.

Caps...which apartments are you talking about...the Dilk(sp) or Dijkoff ones, or another, it's hard to go back and find stuff in the threads...and I have an index!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:57:49 AM
Lala's...LOL...not many Zedans...huge company .sa - not South America - Saudi Arabia...LOL...have followed Freddy around the globe this past weekend.

Caps...which apartments are you talking about...the Dilk(sp) or Dijkoff ones, or another, it's hard to go back and find stuff in the threads...and I have an index!!


There are 3 of these apartment.

one is called the Whitehouse or MOKO 30
the other 2 check.

it is 1 of the 3 places they must have used if they use an escort service to hide the plan

some of these escort services uses a cell phone.

but this one uses the The News phone number to get in.

BRB will get a paper


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
Guido's pics were found here:
http://www.modellenbureau.nl/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
Blonde...this is what I was referring to...from MsMaple...two weeks later...Kalpoes rearrested

 Reply #571 on: August 30, 2006, 11:19:35 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: "msmarple"


Bone 08/10/2005 (est.)
Bone washes up on coast of Venezuela; found by dog walking with owner. Local (Venezuela) newspaper says it was a human femur (arm bone) with hand/fingers. A later report from Aruba says it was part of a mannequin; in D. Holloway’s book, he says he was told it was a “Halloween prop.”
Notes:
This finding occurred during the turbulent storm season of 2005.
Disastrous plane crash in Venezuela shortly after this finding.




Arm bones - The still interconnected human bones of a woman’s forearm and hand was found washed-up on the VENEZUELA Las Piedras beach, near the town Punto Fijo (the southwest side of the VENEZELA peninsula nearest to the west coast of ARUBA, about 18 miles away), on 8-10-05.

BTW, it would be a humerus not a femur.  Femur is the upper leg.
 
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 11:14:22 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.

Ronchi de Cuba?

http://www.dailytrendz.com/dtlaunch.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 11:15:07 AM
Lala's...LOL...not many Zedans...huge company .sa - not South America - Saudi Arabia...LOL...have followed Freddy around the globe this past weekend.

Caps...which apartments are you talking about...the Dilk(sp) or Dijkoff ones, or another, it's hard to go back and find stuff in the threads...and I have an index!!


There are 3 of these apartment.

one is called the Whitehouse or MOKO 30
the other 2 check.

it is 1 of the 3 places they must have used if they use an escort service to hide the plan

some of these escort services uses a cell phone.

but this one uses the The News phone number to get in.

BRB will get a paper

Don't forget...follow the star!  That would be the Whitehouse apartments.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 11:16:11 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.

Ronchi de Cuba?

http://www.dailytrendz.com/dtlaunch.html

Thanks Klaas!  I could see the strange looking man/girl/whatever, but I couldn't remember the name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
here is the link to the apartments in the old, old thread...confused...2 have a star, one has a pool, not all are Dutch...I'm following Mirian!...Freddy knows!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1620


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 12:05:28 PM
Caps…Mentioned this on the last thread and it has me thinking….What about Geoffrey Wever, from Wever Croes and Tchong? It appears he is Hendrik’s son. From the website he was at University in Holland and it is very probable he was home for the summer.

There has been much posted about a Dutch guy, “G” over from Amsterdam for the summer, had his own apartment and worked in the casino. Leiden University is right by Amsterdam. (My regal orange visage!)

We know that Guido did not go to the Netherlands as early as June 1st. or 2nd. as we have statements from him.  We have heard that Guido was an intern at the casino and at the Racquet Club, Racquet Club makes more sense for Guido.

Frumpy Guido just doesn't seem to fit here!

Is there a chance that Guido and Geoffrey have become intertwined?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 12:25:53 PM
Sorry it was Hendrik at Leiden. (Does that make him His Lordship?)... Geoffrey at the University of Amsterdam.

Fits with the age of 24 we were given for Guido and guess what….a December birthday!

Link to Geoffrey Wever!

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=21



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 12:50:10 PM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.

Ronchi de Cuba?

http://www.dailytrendz.com/dtlaunch.html

Hiram was associated in the past with Guia Fashion.  His birthday pics were posted at this site but have since been taken down.

http://www.guiafashion.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 12:55:45 PM
Caps…Mentioned this on the last thread and it has me thinking….What about Geoffrey Wever, from Wever Croes and Tchong? It appears he is Hendrik’s son. From the website he was at University in Holland and it is very probable he was home for the summer.

There has been much posted about a Dutch guy, “G” over from Amsterdam for the summer, had his own apartment and worked in the casino. Leiden University is right by Amsterdam. (My regal orange visage!)

We know that Guido did not go to the Netherlands as early as June 1st. or 2nd. as we have statements from him.  We have heard that Guido was an intern at the casino and at the Racquet Club, Racquet Club makes more sense for Guido.

Frumpy Guido just doesn't seem to fit here!

Is there a chance that Guido and Geoffrey have become intertwined?


It is defenetly in the Croes Famaly that this case has originated.

All the writing show to protect the Elder.

Now for what I do understand is the "The Boy" is the killer and not Joran.

The Father (?????) loves the boy to Much and he sing. He told a story to protect him self and his lineage (The Croes Name)

The sloot kid was is the scapegoat. maybe there is a look a like of this Boy

The movie session are there...from some whisper they fall under the category "Drunken Girls haven Sex." "Drunken Teens"

Now "the House of Rave" is not music but SEX

Also cRave= SEX

This escort service plans in advanced for these movies. Now The girls will get drunk and them a movie is produced. Sold in europe.

They loor and sweet talk these girls and then find what they like and then use the information to impress them and so these girls falls prey in the game.

The diceman had sex and was filmed in these movies.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:14:39 PM
Caps…Mentioned this on the last thread and it has me thinking….What about Geoffrey Wever, from Wever Croes and Tchong? It appears he is Hendrik’s son. From the website he was at University in Holland and it is very probable he was home for the summer.

There has been much posted about a Dutch guy, “G” over from Amsterdam for the summer, had his own apartment and worked in the casino. Leiden University is right by Amsterdam. (My regal orange visage!)

We know that Guido did not go to the Netherlands as early as June 1st. or 2nd. as we have statements from him.  We have heard that Guido was an intern at the casino and at the Racquet Club, Racquet Club makes more sense for Guido.

Frumpy Guido just doesn't seem to fit here!

Is there a chance that Guido and Geoffrey have become intertwined?


It is defenetly in the Croes Famaly that this case has originated.

All the writing show to protect the Elder.

Now for what I do understand is the "The Boy" is the killer and not Joran.

The Father (?????) loves the boy to Much and he sing. He told a story to protect him self and his lineage (The Croes Name)

The sloot kid was is the scapegoat. maybe there is a look a like of this Boy

The movie session are there...from some whisper they fall under the category "Drunken Girls haven Sex." "Drunken Teens"

Now "the House of Rave" is not music but SEX

Also cRave= SEX

This escort service plans in advanced for these movies. Now The girls will get drunk and them a movie is produced. Sold in europe.

They loor and sweet talk these girls and then find what they like and then use the information to impress them and so these girls falls prey in the game.

The diceman had sex and was filmed in these movies.



From what I remember of that Real estate site, GoldCoastaruba... all the Croes 'boys', either Hendrik or Rudy's did not seem to be a fit in this. Hard to tell, I guess, but I have always had a window open on some-one else going to the Netherlands before Guido.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
I have seen two different things posted on Rudy's whereabouts...one he was in the Netherlands and returned June 3rd. Caesu checked this out and could not find anything. The other, Buckeye posted: that Gabe Leo posted on the FP that he was in Columbia for a wedding.

Either way, he does not want to be placed in Aruba that night!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:29:47 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2008, 01:32:26 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:54:52 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 02:02:20 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA



Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2008, 02:08:28 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!

Well, I actually saw the report on TV, but did not record or save anything (my family chuckled at me flipping from one news report to the other)....I read here from the beginning ...also Riehl's (sp)....it just struck me that it was a big scoop then, and yes, it dropped like a hot potato....but made me go 'mmmm' this morning.   It's all nothing really new, but alternate players are now in discussion. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 02:22:41 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA



Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS


Caps... I have been round and round and up the path many times on this. I believe SS confirmed what I thought I finally had straight!

Betico, Hendrick and Rudy all brothers! I thought I rechecked after the discussions a few weeks back as I kept seeing posts that said Rudy was the nephew and others that he was the brother. I believe I even checked the birth years and was sure that Rudy and Hendrick were brothers!

This needs to be documented to avoid any more confusion! Can't keep going around in circles...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 02:23:56 PM
I know I am a bit OT (as usual  ::MonkeyEek::) but it is this site/link on which the pics of Amy Bradley were found. I know in the past I have been able to find information through this link to Adult Only Vacations located at the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba. That would be a convenient and scary venue for such things.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/index.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!

Well, I actually saw the report on TV, but did not record or save anything (my family chuckled at me flipping from one news report to the other)....I read here from the beginning ...also Riehl's (sp)....it just struck me that it was a big scoop then, and yes, it dropped like a hot potato....but made me go 'mmmm' this morning.   It's all nothing really new, but alternate players are now in discussion. 

In 2002-2004 there was a big fenomena about filming Drunken teens and having sex. It was a big trend in europe (Budapest, Bukarest, Pragg, Germany. mostly eastern europe and it funnel via the internet as a wave into holland. Now the XTC pill manufacture in europe was the blame for this fenomena.

In the states at that time was Girls gone Wild. Teens gone Wild etc.

My research show that this methos of filming teens was a big money busness in europe. the underwold will pay top dollar for these movies especialy in eastern europe.

Now we have a group of drunken teens for 2 weeks in aruba, some of these Dutch traveled that read the news and are in the youth stream must have seen this oportunity to make some movie.

Now just think how much money this movie will fetch on the collectionist/underground market.

Back to looking for this place.. will call the Escorts and ask for direction and where they will bring me.

it is the only way ....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA

Evelyn Wever-Croes
http://www.wesharefoundation.org/ez.lt.2003.02.1a.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 02:31:57 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 02:32:19 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!

Well, I actually saw the report on TV, but did not record or save anything (my family chuckled at me flipping from one news report to the other)....I read here from the beginning ...also Riehl's (sp)....it just struck me that it was a big scoop then, and yes, it dropped like a hot potato....but made me go 'mmmm' this morning.   It's all nothing really new, but alternate players are now in discussion. 


LOL..this will not surprise you, but I am wondering why all Freddy's statements are there except for the August arrest dates!

I am now sure that there is a Freddy Zedan, just a little curious about the August arrest and why he was released quietly out a back door!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 02:41:09 PM
From Arubagirl...though this not where I checked from before...I really searched then! I am led to belive she knows her stuff!


http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/index.html


There was an election. Mep won the absolute majority (11 seats in parliament).

So, forming a cabinet would be a piece of cake, right?

Wrong.

More than a month has passed and we still haven't gotten any firm decision on who is getting what ministry. I suppose that splitting the loot is a complicated process.

First of all, the big problem is Rudy Croes, since apparently the Netherlands has been making noises that they do not approve of him as Minister of Justice. Big drama among Rudy's supporters, with the words "meddling in autonomous affairs" being heard the most often. See, the problem with that sentiment is that the Netherlands does still give us money. So they do appropriate a right to have some say in who is going to actually spend the money. Unless we manage to be completely on our own (yeah, right), we're just going to have to grin down and bear it.

Rudy, magnanimous guy that he is, has let it be known that he is willing to settle for the Ministry of Tourism, on the condition that his brother, Hendrik Croes, becomes Minister of Justice.  


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 02:51:50 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:04:25 PM
I know I am a bit OT (as usual  ::MonkeyEek::) but it is this site/link on which the pics of Amy Bradley were found. I know in the past I have been able to find information through this link to Adult Only Vacations located at the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba. That would be a convenient and scary venue for such things.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/index.htm


BB..Will take your word on this...

vms...I can't open the link to Evelyn!  Goldcoastaruba seems to be a Croes family affair...there was a news piece at their site a while ago of I think 2 Croes at a table and they were Hendrik or Rudy's sons...the bank man is de Veer from Metacorp and the Renaissance. It was discussed on the NAH thread.

http://www.goldcoastaruba.com/CompanyProfile.aspx

Caps...go for it...LOL






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:09:50 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Caps...this would have been after the 29/30th. of May.

If Evelyn is married to a Wever and she has a son...he would be a Croes and a Wever, correct?...Sorry still looking at "G"..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:20:25 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 03:21:08 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Caps...this would have been after the 29/30th. of May.

If Evelyn is married to a Wever and she has a son...he would be a Croes and a Wever, correct?...Sorry still looking at "G"..

Yes Correct he was here in Aruba, it is confirmed.

and yes croes wever.

Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER 3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!




Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Like to see Picture


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 03:25:51 PM
I know I am a bit OT (as usual  ::MonkeyEek::) but it is this site/link on which the pics of Amy Bradley were found. I know in the past I have been able to find information through this link to Adult Only Vacations located at the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba. That would be a convenient and scary venue for such things.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/index.htm


BB..Will take your word on this...

vms...I can't open the link to Evelyn!  Goldcoastaruba seems to be a Croes family affair...there was a news piece at their site a while ago of I think 2 Croes at a table and they were Hendrik or Rudy's sons...the bank man is de Veer from Metacorp and the Renaissance. It was discussed on the NAH thread.

http://www.goldcoastaruba.com/CompanyProfile.aspx

Caps...go for it...LOL






Sorry about the link, Mum. I dunno why it won't open for you. It isn't a good pic and I don't really know if she is the same Evelyn...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 03:28:19 PM
Looking for an escort service that provide forbidden fruit pleasure.

from the seven, the one that is linked to the Diceman (Guido Wever)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 03:35:02 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Thanks, Mum. I saw that pic. I guess I missed how they were connected to the government Croes - Rudy and Hendrik...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!




Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Like to see Picture


Caps...I will look again and see if I can find it...and will post the link if I do. I recall that at first it was thought it was Rudy's company, not sure why now! Maybe one of them was called Rudy, I'm sorry I really don't remember anymore....except that it was a pretty big development. Was that the one with the turtles, or was that the Terra del Soleil one? Could even be confusing the two, the way my brain is right now!...Will see what I can find later as I have some things to do...Don't multitask very well...LOL

Caps...Did you check on Rudy and Hendrick?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:40:45 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Thanks, Mum. I saw that pic. I guess I missed how they were connected to the government Croes - Rudy and Hendrik...


Thanks...I was beginning to think I had lost my mind...DH and DD have me down for 5 years or less, after I forgot my PIN the other night...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
C-Jam Hair Studio Productions is associated with C-Jam Hair Studio, X-otic Massage and Escort Service, SUV Limo Service Aruba and Last Man Standing (martial arts competitions.)


http://www.c-jamproductions.com/index.html


C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
 
Business address JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
Date of commencement  31 JANUARY 1996 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MARDENBOROUGH, CLARENS EMANUEL;  
Residing in  JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 OCTOBER 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  18 DECEMBER 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAP-, MASSAGE- EN SCHOONHEIDSSALON, TEVENS HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAPPERSBEDRIJF MET DE WAGEN.

2. HET VERKOPEN VAN STERK-, ZWAK- EN NIET-ALCOHOLISCHE DRANKEN EN HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN INTERNET-CAFE TEVENS DE KLEINHANDEL IN SNACKS, SANDWICHES, ANDERE EETGERECHTEN EN MAALTIJDEN.

3. HET ORGANISEREN, VERZORGEN EN BEGELEIDEN VAN FEESTEN, VOORSTELLINGEN, MUZIKALE PRODUKTIES EN VERMAAK EVENEMENTEN;

4. HET ORGANISEREN, BEGELEIDEN, PROMOTEN, GEVEN EN DOEN GEVEN VAN VOORSTELLINGEN, ZOALS MUZIKALE OPTREDENS EN SPORTEVENEMENTEN (DE ZOGENAAMDE "MIX MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITIONS"). 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 03:56:42 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 04:03:09 PM
A few more from phone listings:

A & E Exclusive Exciting Massage & Escort Service   
Tanki Leendert 145 I
 
All For You    
Pampoenastraat 13 E

Gingerelas Relax
Wayaca 28 A
     
Pure & Sensual Escort Service   
 
WHITE DIAMONDS ESCORT & MASSAGE   
 Seroe Pita 23 A Paradera


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 04:16:05 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.

Are any of these apartments located near 39 Noord?

Aruba Blue Village 
Cunucu Abao 37, Noord

Perle D'Or
Noord 108-R, Noord

Boardwalk Vacation Retreat
Bakval 20, Noord

Aruba Sunflower
Salinja Cerca 25E, Noord


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:20:35 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.

Most escort service do not have an office and is on cash bases only. No credit card.

They operate form their cell phone.

The owners of Brickel, White house, Near Lekker (will find the name) are letting these business escort to use their apartment for pleasure.

The Whitehouse is a pleasure complex.
the Brickel is a hotel.
This House of rave to gice it a name is also an Apartment complex.

I will tried to get some picture of the place. Lekker we have already


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:26:47 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Dropped?  As in taken to this apartment complex?  Or dropped as in a body drop? Was Rudy on TV concerning this place?  Was this a local station in your area?  Can you provide the name of the TV station? That would help us o prove this is true.


BTW, let me get this straight...you are saying the reference to "elder" in the Shango riddle is referring to a Croes and not Paulus?  The protecting by the elder is a Croes protecting his son?  Please correct this if I am wrong.  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 04:28:17 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.

Most escort service do not have an office and is on cash bases only. No credit card.

They operate form their cell phone.

The owners of Brickel, White house, Near Lekker (will find the name) are letting these business escort to use their apartment for pleasure.

The Whitehouse is a pleasure complex.
the Brickel is a hotel.
This House of rave to gice it a name is also an Apartment complex.

I will tried to get some picture of the place. Lekker we have already

IIRC, there have been pictures of the White House and Brickel posted.  We just need one of the House of Rave apartment complex!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:36:04 PM
Looking for an escort service that provide forbidden fruit pleasure.

from the seven, the one that is linked to the Diceman (Guido Wever)

Would Mr. Pink not have the premiere service in Aruba?  The FBI was certainly interested in him for some reason during this time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:38:43 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 04:44:23 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


Thank you then , I am wrong about what i was thinking. I never read Merian so I must be very confused. I was thinking about maybe a way to have disposed of Natalee. Certainly a boat large enough to hold a large trap......the Aruba Star.......

http://www.shipfoto.co.uk/images/Star-Aruba---1-Sept-2001.jpg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:44:46 PM
The Apartment near Lekker is called Matty Apartments
Address = Noord 15-A

150 Meter from Lekker


Sorces are checking the owners.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 04:45:16 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

Hmmmm now that is very interesting Pita!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

The photo sow the Whitehouse Cocktail Lounge


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 04:52:24 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
Caps
Why are we running around looking for those apartments again?  I thought the info Yapp provided was the correct info?  Have I missed something?  Do I need to look elsewhere? Here is what we found the first time we searched around for those Dutch-owned apartments:

yapperz1
Scared Monkey
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1620 on: February 01, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »
   
Lalas the only thing that can be found so far is this:

http://tinyurl.com/2naage

go down to (CP-011) {I can't snag the pic}

Found this on chamber of commerce registry:

MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
 
Business address MOKO 30-A, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  9 AUGUST 1993
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
DIJKHOFF, THOMAS;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1946
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL
   
DIJKHOFF-BOEKHOUDT, LUCIA;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 25 JUNE 1949
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL


ALSO Notice "The Star" on top of the motel. Wasn't it Merian Ernest who said something about a star?
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


yapperz1

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1625 on: February 01, 2008, 09:52:45 PM »
   
Is this it Caps?

MONTANA APARTMENT
 
Business address MONTANA 6-D, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company  MONTANA APARTMENT
Date of commencement  1 JANUARY 1980
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS
 
LEEST, DOMINICO;
Residing in  MONTANJA 32, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JULY 1932
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  OWNER
Effective  16 FEBRUARY 1982
Authority  FULL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 04:58:14 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:59:01 PM
Here is more of the same conversation about those apartments:

yapperz1


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1629 on: February 01, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
   
Caps:

VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
 
Business address MONTANJA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 21 JULY 1995 
incorporation/commencement:
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
VAN DIJK, JOHANNES; 
Residing in  NOORDERPLASSENWEG 38, 1316 US ALMERE, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 12 JANUARY 1962 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position 
Effective  6 JUNE 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
VAN DER LUYT, ALBERTUS; 
Residing in  CATHARINADAL 9, 5235 BJ DEN BOSCH, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NOORDWIJK on 28 OCTOBER 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
BARNAS, PETRONELLA GEERTRUIDA; 
Residing in  VAN HALEWIJNBAAN 329, 2274 TK VOORBURG, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, VOORBURG on 7 APRIL 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 


This is your reply:

CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1631 on: February 01, 2008, 10:26:49 PM »
   
Yes

lala

the one with the gold paint and the road is paved

The question is in which room?


In my report I choose the White one but my road is not paved

The Montana Park Apartment is where all started..The Sex etc....

so look for the owners

In their website there is a Holland phone: I wonder who will answer..

Pauls brother or Anitas Mother...

LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 05:00:19 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord

This sounds like it could be the place.....  Caps, what is the name of this motel?


Dave Holloway discussed a small type of motel near the VIP Club in his book.  Next door is the Indo Restaurant, located at 17 Noord.   

From Dave's book pgs. 52-53

snipped....

Then they drove me to see the motel next door to the VIP Club.  I was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  I did not know if that meant you bring your own girl or they furnish one.

The motel has a small home like structure at the front.  Then, there are six or seven rooms that stretch down the roadway.  There were no vehicles there during daylight, but we heard that some young girls were escorted in and out of the rooms that day.  We had also heard that someone had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.   There is reason to believe that the Buddhist who met me and my sister next door at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to me.   The authorities were supposedly investigating this.  As with most of the leads that we had turned over to police, nothing ever evolved from it.  We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Abrambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.


The detectives knew the motel's owner
, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:00:29 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102

LOL!!   Simian=Merian=Simian.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 05:01:37 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

Maybe we need to check "her" newspaper and see what "escort services" have ads in "her" paper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:01:57 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 05:04:12 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102

LOL!!   Simian=Merian=Simian.

Thanks for the light bulb moment.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 05:04:18 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 05:05:55 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

Maybe we need to check "her" newspaper and see what "escort services" have ads in "her" paper.

 ::MonkeyWink::

yep...but this one will not be advertised. It will be known in the "underground".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 05:07:57 PM
Caps
Why are we running around looking for those apartments again?  I thought the info Yapp provided was the correct info?  Have I missed something?  Do I need to look elsewhere? Here is what we found the first time we searched around for those Dutch-owned apartments:

yapperz1
Scared Monkey
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1620 on: February 01, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »
   
Lalas the only thing that can be found so far is this:

http://tinyurl.com/2naage

go down to (CP-011) {I can't snag the pic}

Found this on chamber of commerce registry:

MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
 
Business address MOKO 30-A, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  9 AUGUST 1993
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
DIJKHOFF, THOMAS;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1946
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL
   
DIJKHOFF-BOEKHOUDT, LUCIA;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 25 JUNE 1949
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL


ALSO Notice "The Star" on top of the motel. Wasn't it Merian Ernest who said something about a star?
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


yapperz1

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1625 on: February 01, 2008, 09:52:45 PM »
   
Is this it Caps?

MONTANA APARTMENT
 
Business address MONTANA 6-D, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company  MONTANA APARTMENT
Date of commencement  1 JANUARY 1980
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS
 
LEEST, DOMINICO;
Residing in  MONTANJA 32, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JULY 1932
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  OWNER
Effective  16 FEBRUARY 1982
Authority  FULL 


The White House Apartments and Moko Apartments are owned by the same people and have the same address, Moko 30A, Noord.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:29:26 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.

Who?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:31:53 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102

LOL!!   Simian=Merian=Simian.

Thanks for the light bulb moment.  :roll:

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse.  Simian and Merian have long been considered to be one and the same as I understand it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 05:34:56 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.

Who?

I'm probably wrong but the first name that came to mind was Renfro.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:36:38 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.

Who?

I'm probably wrong but the first name that came to mind was Renfro.


LOL!!  I was thinking "fluffah".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2008, 06:05:24 PM
C-Jam Hair Studio
Jucuri # 66, Santa Cruz

Our Barbers
Clarence Mardenborough
Eugene Courtar
Alcides Marine
Jonathan Oduber
Delanho Jacobs
John Lugay

http://www.c-jamproductions.com/newcjamhairmap.htm


*************


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 DECEMBER 1995 under serial number 19639.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
 
Business address JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
Date of commencement  31 JANUARY 1996 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MARDENBOROUGH, CLARENS EMANUEL; 
Residing in  JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 OCTOBER 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  18 DECEMBER 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAP-, MASSAGE- EN SCHOONHEIDSSALON, TEVENS HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAPPERSBEDRIJF MET DE WAGEN.

2. HET VERKOPEN VAN STERK-, ZWAK- EN NIET-ALCOHOLISCHE DRANKEN EN HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN INTERNET-CAFE TEVENS DE KLEINHANDEL IN SNACKS, SANDWICHES, ANDERE EETGERECHTEN EN MAALTIJDEN.

3. HET ORGANISEREN, VERZORGEN EN BEGELEIDEN VAN FEESTEN, VOORSTELLINGEN, MUZIKALE PRODUKTIES EN VERMAAK EVENEMENTEN;

4. HET ORGANISEREN, BEGELEIDEN, PROMOTEN, GEVEN EN DOEN GEVEN VAN VOORSTELLINGEN, ZOALS MUZIKALE OPTREDENS EN SPORTEVENEMENTEN (DE ZOGENAAMDE "MIX MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITIONS"). 
   
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19600


My first thought on this was Joran asking Satish to remember to come over to cut his hair.  Maybe Satish worked part time for this Hair place.


Isn't Eduardo Croes the Top95 guy that Gielen had on the video saying something about he was crying...etc....He was one of her staunch supporters. IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2008, 06:07:08 PM
One more thing.  I believe Granny Toad has a background in Anthropology.  She looked at the Venez. bone and felt it was from that monkey/primate that begins with an M... I trust GrannyToad.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 06:11:22 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

Looks kinda like gold bricks.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 15, 2008, 06:40:46 PM
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=mini&page=4

Dominico  Leest lives near Joran, I think


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 07:23:55 PM
OK are we saying Natalee was not taken to the Lion's Den at 15 Noord?
 
She may have been taken  to one of the other places listed?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 07:27:08 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

Looks kinda like gold bricks.......

This is the Whitehouse Cocktail Lounge,

The Apartments are behind a a large yellow door where one enter with a the car inside the Apartment garage.

THe cocktalk is at the side of the Apartments.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 07:46:12 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Caps...this would have been after the 29/30th. of May.

If Evelyn is married to a Wever and she has a son...he would be a Croes and a Wever, correct?...Sorry still looking at "G"..

Yes Correct he was here in Aruba, it is confirmed.

and yes croes wever.

Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER 3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Let me try this again...are you saying you know for certain that Natalee was killed in this place...the Lekker 3 apartment?  This girl that worked in this business told you where this place was or that she knew what happened there?  Please explain this to me. Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 08:05:34 PM
Which place is the Lions Den?  The Whitehouse, Brickel, Lekker?  I am confused as heck right now.  Need to rest my brain.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 08:07:07 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.



Rob - On John Chemaly's MySpace he has about nine pages of friends.  Most of them are very suggestive that he is gay.  There are also a lot of photographs of him with a boy who looks much younger than himselves.  Maybe he is the one you are looking for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 08:16:38 PM
himself = himselves, sorry for the typo.

Back on the last Shango thread, I had posted some tidbits about Steve Croes.  One of the things that I found was an article saying that Eduardo (Edward) Croes, the main commentator on Top95, was an uncle of Steve Croes.  Caps, does that make him another brother of Hendrick and Rudy?  I think I also posted it around the time that the guy from Top95 burned his family.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 08:17:02 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord

This sounds like it could be the place.....  Caps, what is the name of this motel?


Dave Holloway discussed a small type of motel near the VIP Club in his book.  Next door is the Indo Restaurant, located at 17 Noord.   

From Dave's book pgs. 52-53

snipped....

Then they drove me to see the motel next door to the VIP Club.  I was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  I did not know if that meant you bring your own girl or they furnish one.

The motel has a small home like structure at the front.  Then, there are six or seven rooms that stretch down the roadway.  There were no vehicles there during daylight, but we heard that some young girls were escorted in and out of the rooms that day.  We had also heard that someone had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.   There is reason to believe that the Buddhist who met me and my sister next door at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to me.   The authorities were supposedly investigating this.  As with most of the leads that we had turned over to police, nothing ever evolved from it.  We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Abrambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.


The detectives knew the motel's owner
, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......


I read back through some of the Shango posts I had saved and found an interpretation from September 2005, made by a poster named Spider.  He came up with some very interesting stuff and some of it kinda lines up with CAPS theory.   Anyway, I thought it might be worth a second look. And I do apologize for it being so long.

CHATA
*****************************************

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
 
SHANGO'S RIDDLE

First it’s important to know who’s who

Babylon=Dutch social structure Arawaks=native Arubans
Fallen Elder=PVDS
The gods=the authorities not on the islands, a combo of both A and B perhaps, think maybe hotel and casino owners, Prime Minister, people who could have a serious affect on all if they came in and had a fit
The dice throwers=The Casino Dealers
Babilonians=Dutch on Aruba
DirtyHand=Van Der Straaten

The fly=NH used later to mean needy girls, cool guys have many flies attracted to them
Shivas=brothers
The Elders=Dutch parents
The music=bad things and rumors of bad things that have occurred
The maze=house where Raves supposedly occur, the house of Rave
The lions=those in the higher clique, those at top of illegal activity, etc on the island, the untouchables
ThreadSurfers =bloggers

One straight path

to the house of Rave,
(the party house)

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,
(does not appear as rich man’s house)

answers mysterious lie within
(contains the answers alluding everyone)

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA
(Here you will find XTC in the DNA)
(X-oTiC Massage and Escort???)

Babalu opened a window looking into babylon
(One of the Scared Monkeys solved a clue to look into Dutch social structure )

DirtyHand is alive
(Van Der Straaten is part of this)

Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
(the solution to puzzle is not in evidence sent to Holland)

that door to eden remains closed
(the key to what you are looking for remains closed )

until the house with the path,

But not of gold is entered
(until you find and enter the house mentioned above)

DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
(VDS is accepted in the circles of B and A and has a close relationship with PVDS)

The gods are talking

Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless
(People who have moved to island and identified and socialize with A can mingle with B but are not important enough for their names to be remembered)

DirtyHand can bring down all houses
(VDS is capable of destroying or tainting B’s and A’s as well)

DirtyHand is the key
(but just one of them, other is later)

His reach is long

He walks in all circles

consort to all, except for the gods
(Accepts support from all except the gods)

He knows the sacrifice is not responsible
(VDS knows Joran is not guilty)

Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?
(Who is J afraid of? )

Why won’t he talk?
(Why is he keeping quiet when he knows what happened)

The dice throwers know
(They know why J won’t talk and why VDS won’t say J’s innocent. Dice throwers also know about … )

the maze of the rave

and the fly that entered the trap
(NH)

DirtyHand is the key
(Knows everything )

He walks in many circles

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
(Did not play on the beach )

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
(DID NOT PLAY ON THE BEACH!)

DRAX SCORES
(someone (a blogger?) figured out they weren’t on the beach)

DirtyHand knows this

Children of the Elders play in the maze,

but DirtyHand is afraid to rave

Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
(STOP THINKING BEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Follow the music!
(Follow the rumors and the bad things you have heard)

Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
(NH knew where she was going, she wanted what she thought was there)

The lamb is scared
(Joran (sacrificial lamb that is not guilty)

The fires are lit
(Action begins)

But now the lamb is a goat
(Now J is brunt of jokes, slurs )

Mary never heard the buoy toll
(NH didn’t notice the sinister change, a warning of bad to come)

ask the men who play dice and "roll"
(they know she was unaware of what was coming)

Follow the music

The DiceMen must be questioned.

They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
(They go to these “parties” )

Mary who was not a virgin entered

The DiceMen ROLLED
(rolled-got high on X)

Mary ROLLED

Mary ROLLED through the Maze
(Maze (capitalized now) becomes the sinister game )

There is more than one house of music
(more than one house where bad things happen. You have to find the correct house of music. Later clue will tell you the lion of that house stays home (maybe doesn’t work?)

the Lamb is a Scapegoat

The Lamb returned to the fold
(Went home )

Mary Rolled

And the lions played

Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers
(The internet bloggers communicating world wide )

The maze offers many hidden desires
(Small m maze=house )

deflowerings of forbidden fruits
(Girls not normally available to them )

DirtyHand knows.
(Knows all about this)

So does the elder.
(PVDS )

The lamb is a scapegoat.

DirtyHand has walked through the maze
(And next two sentences go together)

He knows of the forbidden fruit

and the gardeners
(metaphor for those who prepare and clean the area, obtain the flower, bring it to the maze )

Why do they leave the Maze open?
(why does this game continue when VDS knows about it? )

Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
(Why hasn’t an Aruban looked into what is happening? It’s not hidden and continues to operate.)

Tell the Cowboys!
(Arubans, tell the Americans, etc who have come to the rescue!)

The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

All know of the music

beckoning lost souls

to enter the seven levels of inferno
(maze has seven levels, could be rooms (or 7 lions), like Dante’s Inferno, each room could be set up differently (S&M, etc), each consecutive a more depraved “desire” than the previous)

who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
(Who was it that slipped something in her drink…could have been a lion at C&C, not J )

Enter the Maze.
(You are being asked to enter the activities, to picture it)

Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon
(A threadsurfer )

DirtyHand does not play with the lions
(Next few sentences are the refrain)

but he has entered the maze

the lamb is a scapegoat

DirtyHand knows

So does the Elder

Follow the music

into the maze

the lions know they are being stalked
(stalked…by those with an interest in their activities)

the gamblers and other Rollers talk
(among themselves )

tell the cowboys!
(Small c ..tell the authorities. )

The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
(They are not going to tell the cowboys the real story of what happened unless they have to)

Follow the music,
but be careful because

the lions are not tame
(untouchable and not tamed, will turn on you )

DirtyHand knows,

so does the elder

Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened

but they can’t hear the music.

The Arawaks know
(they do know about the music, the bad things )

(Tone changes starting here, Shango getting angry because he is not being heard )

Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides
(Word stupid is out of character with rest, is scathing and condescending as in “how stupid can you be to pick the bottom of supposed “structure” to lead you to its weaknesses” To the A’s, when Cowboys leave, maybe everything will be the same, so not going to stir up a hornets’ nest that might sting them )

Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,
(Veiled hints have been given to them, but they just don’t get it )

they must enter the maze!
(They must be led to and enter the maze, the correct house of course )

Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.

Mary rolled into the maze

to play with lions

but it was not a game

the lamb ran bleating

afraid to walk through the maze

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?

The cowboys don’t know.
(They are unaware. )

DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
(If he chances telling, tourism dies, Arubans lose jobs and turn on him. Attitude is “we’re almost home with this one, the wool’s over their eyes, hang in there, they are trusting and believing every untrue thing we have been saying and with that provided theory, looking in all the wrong places. They will leave soon….there is no body where they can find it.(tells us later where the body is…or perhaps she is still alive there)

The gods are talking

The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague
(Perhaps the Simian is a blogger and Shango told him the evidence report from Holland would be negative)

I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen
(He had no faith in my words, probably on trumped up path the Cowboys are taking. )

The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions
(There are Mazes on other islands, no one is aware)

without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys
(if someone doesn’t speak up with the truth, the present lie will prevail )

they will leave without loot
(they will go home without NH )

Shango is the god of justice
(Shango is the personification of who the writer feels should make sure justice prevails. At the moment, the writer is imbued with Shango. When all chance for justice is gone, someone else somewhere will become Shango. )

alive in many forms

he who speaks through Oxum through lightning

and himself through thunder

father of the violent dance

diviner of secrets of the seven levels of inferno
(It was Shango who discovered the truth in this case )

bound to truth even as it burns
(And is bound to reveal the truth even if it hurts him (now the writer) personally )

so that justice may be brought.

Only those who cRave music go into the Maze ...
(Double meaning crave=yearn, crave=do drugs and want or do bad things enter the game )

The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
(The Dutch have decided the story, and the Arubans will repeat it incessently )

the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
(The answers are in the house )

the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
(Innocently, trustingly will believe what they hear because they think the Arubans believe this (because they keep repeating the same scenario )

backs turned to the maze
(The Arubans don’t acknowledge the house )

from the poison song
From the story they are repeating

(All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs )

How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes
(How these needy girls enter a trap because of the sweet nothings whispered in their ears )

Shango must leave to feed the messengers

Shango the god is sad because he sees history repeating itself, a new set of lions is being created:

The gods are talking

Follow the notes

to the poison house
(Poison because of what it is allowing to be formed )

where the children of the babylonians and the arawak nation meet,
(the school )

under cover of delusion.
(Illusion of equality is given, parents of Aruban children believe it )

In the maze
(Now the school and/or playground )

the lions which play

shall be found.

The gamblers also took note.
(They are watching to see who will emerge as the favorites (lions, of course)

Tell the cowboys!
(Will someone recognize what’s happening and talk to whoever can prevent it!)

Now back to the present situation:

Not all lions leave their den
(Your clue to help you find the correct house. )

That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
)NH will not be found in the light, you must look in the dark places of the house )


And now a prediction


Babylon is Falling

The Arawak teepees will be crushed

will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion

to make the cowboys smile
)Obviously the Arubans are not going to expose truth unless they have to, so will the lamb be accepted or will the Arubans have expose the lions? )

The arawaks must hunt the lions

in the place of darkness

house of secrets

The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
(Joran and the Kalpoes did not go to the beach. Can I make this anymore clear? Think!!!)

They lost to the lions
(At the party, the lions took charge of NH, maybe told J to get lost )

dirty hand knows the elder knows and so do the arawaks

the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
(They will cluelessly search the whole island, but not search the corrupt )

the maze shall remain dark

to all but the arawak nation and the elders

The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
(This is a different simian (Josse?) than the original, wants the situation exposed (in June) but this sentence is not true the end of July. What changed him mind?)

DirtyHand knows Simian knows

The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the Hague

Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect

His lordship brought nothing from the Hague the

Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
(Holding J in jail )

There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.

Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too
(But the jail keepers can’t let him confess . )

Many teepees fall. No Wampum.

Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.

Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
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If I had a brain~ I'd be dangerous


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 08:30:44 PM
A couple of things that stood out for me in Spider's post:

1. Not all lions leave their den
(Your clue to help you find the correct house. )

2.That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
)NH will not be found in the light, you must look in the dark places of the house )

3.The children of the babylonians and the Arawak nation ... being related to school.  Remember the phone video of the rape at the school???

4. Spider's interpretation of the gardners.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 08:40:54 PM
Here is more of the same conversation about those apartments:

yapperz1


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1629 on: February 01, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
   
Caps:

VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
 
Business address MONTANJA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 21 JULY 1995 
incorporation/commencement:
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
VAN DIJK, JOHANNES; 
Residing in  NOORDERPLASSENWEG 38, 1316 US ALMERE, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 12 JANUARY 1962 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position 
Effective  6 JUNE 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
VAN DER LUYT, ALBERTUS; 
Residing in  CATHARINADAL 9, 5235 BJ DEN BOSCH, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NOORDWIJK on 28 OCTOBER 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
BARNAS, PETRONELLA GEERTRUIDA; 
Residing in  VAN HALEWIJNBAAN 329, 2274 TK VOORBURG, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, VOORBURG on 7 APRIL 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 


This is your reply:

CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1631 on: February 01, 2008, 10:26:49 PM »
   
Yes

lala

the one with the gold paint and the road is paved

The question is in which room?


In my report I choose the White one but my road is not paved

The Montana Park Apartment is where all started..The Sex etc....

so look for the owners

In their website there is a Holland phone: I wonder who will answer..

Pauls brother or Anitas Mother...

LOL




A while back CAPS had us looking for an apartment that someone involved in the case owned, but I thought it was near the Raquet Club.  Is this near the Raquet club?  If Anita's mother or Paul's brother answer the phone, then they must live here or own the place.  Wasn't Anita visiting her mother in Holland?  This place must be Paul's little nest where he parties and takes advantage of young girls.  If the diceman (Guido Wever) knows the place, as Shango says, then does Guido live here or have a connection, too?  Is Guido related to the Sloots through Paul's brother or one of Anita's siblings? If Steve Croes is the one who invites everyone to the parties, then he must somehow be attached to this place, also?  Oh CAPS, my head is spinning.  When we get to the end of the riddle you really must write it all down for us so that we can remember everything that we found.   ::MonkeyConfused::  I see some more genealogy coming.  A few days ago CAPS told us to find a Croes who isn't called Croes.  Rudy Croes is Godfather to the youngest Sloot so the families must be pretty close.
Am I rambling??? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 09:38:00 PM
I think Caps code key is slightly different from the accepted one so many of us have used in the past:

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #94 on: Today at 07:17:02 PM »
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Quote from: Pita on Today at 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on Today at 02:21:08 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER 3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord

This sounds like it could be the place.....  Caps, what is the name of this motel?


Dave Holloway discussed a small type of motel near the VIP Club in his book.  Next door is the Indo Restaurant, located at 17 Noord.   

From Dave's book pgs. 52-53

snipped....

Then they drove me to see the motel next door to the VIP Club.  I was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  I did not know if that meant you bring your own girl or they furnish one.

The motel has a small home like structure at the front.  Then, there are six or seven rooms that stretch down the roadway.  There were no vehicles there during daylight, but we heard that some young girls were escorted in and out of the rooms that day.  We had also heard that someone had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.   There is reason to believe that the Buddhist who met me and my sister next door at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to me.   The authorities were supposedly investigating this.  As with most of the leads that we had turned over to police, nothing ever evolved from it.  We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Abrambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.


The detectives knew the motel's owner, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......


I read back through some of the Shango posts I had saved and found an interpretation from September 2005, made by a poster named Spider.  He came up with some very interesting stuff and some of it kinda lines up with CAPS theory.   Anyway, I thought it might be worth a second look. And I do apologize for it being so long.

CHATA
*****************************************

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
 
SHANGO'S RIDDLE

First it’s important to know who’s who

Babylon=Dutch social structure Arawaks=native Arubans (Caps says that this is a myriad or different people...from reporters to LAW depending on what part of the story you are talking about)
Fallen Elder=PVDS
The gods=the authorities not on the islands, a combo of both A and B perhaps, think maybe hotel and casino owners, Prime Minister, people who could have a serious affect on all if they came in and had a fit
The dice throwers=The Casino Dealers
Babilonians=Dutch on Aruba(Again, a different person depending on the story)
DirtyHand=Van Der Straaten ( Caps says that Duetekom is DH as wells as Trudy Hassell)

The fly=NH used later to mean needy girls, cool guys have many flies attracted to them
Shivas=brothers (I am sure Caps told me that this would be the hired hitmen and not the Kalpoes, if that is what is meant by "brothers")
The Elders=Dutch parents
The music=bad things and rumors of bad things that have occurred
The maze=house where Raves supposedly occur, the house of Rave
The lions=those in the higher clique, those at top of illegal activity, etc on the island, the untouchables
ThreadSurfers =bloggers

Just a few things that are different...which leads to more varied interpretations of Shango...which to me is even more confusing...but I await the final draft of the truth here with bated breath.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 09:52:26 PM
Betico, Hendrick and Rudy Croes…Brothers!!!!

Will not waste time looking anymore, as far as I am concerned the 3 are brothers! Took me forever last time to find a DOB for Rudy and not going there again…I am convinced!…LOL…also see SS’s posts and my earlier post today, from arubagirl, on this.

Hendrick - January 8th. 1942

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=10


http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/473

(70) Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes


Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.
He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.
Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.
Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.
Has 2 sons, Glenbert & Junior Croes.


Gold Coast Aruba
Says Rudy and Frito…pic didn’t show up, so I’m not sure what it is!
http://www.goldcoastaruba.com/newsDtls.aspx?id=21






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:07:30 PM
But, is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Would someone please shake that tree again? 

BTW, Sorry that I messed up that quote above Chata...my fault...I really should be more careful. Please forgive me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:19:52 PM
But, is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Would someone please shake that tree again? 

BTW, Sorry that I messed up that quote above Chata...my fault...I really should be more careful. Please forgive me.

And is Rudy called Edward/Eduardo at times, no wonder I am confused!

This is a serious question?...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:28:18 PM
Mum,

If you are interested, Glenbert and Junior are here:  http://aroiltradingpartners.com/about_us


AROIL TRADING 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 10:38:51 PM
Mom,

By the time that we are finished CAPS will have a huge volume to write.  We should all get leather bound copies.


I don't know if I have the energy to shake the Steve Croes tree again.  CAPS keeps telling us that he is Hendrik, Jr.  I have searched high and low through every Aruban/Dutch genealogy source that I could find.  I can't get anything that clearly delineates the two youngest generations which would be from about 1940 until now.  CAPS posted the information on Steve that he found in the Aruban registries - I think it was back in the last thread.  If I recall Steve was born in Curacao and they later brought him to Aruba.  Maybe he's the black sheep of the family and he's such a dirtball that he lives with his grandparents.  He's probably an embarrassment to that fine family of Betico, Hendrik, and Rudy.  ::MonkeyHaHa::   I am also suggesting that we add another brother to the clan and that is Eduardo (Edward) who is the TOP95 radio person.  Steve claims that Edward is his uncle. He's probably a loser like Steve or he would have been Minister of something or other, instead of a disc jockey.  ::MonkeyWink::

Steve Croes (26-year-old), the fourth suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&;page=1151

A few days ago CAPS suggested that we shake that Croes tree again to find a Croes who's name isn't Croes.  I think that I'm getting a Boolean headache.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 10:42:20 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 10:43:33 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.

nope I'm wrong, it was Gilberto.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.



He and Junior are Betico's sons, aren't they?  CAPS told us that Rudy is a player and that he beats his wife.


Yoo Hoo Klaas, Is there a way the we can find that post from CAPS which shows the registry information for Steve Croes and his parents?  It was somewhere in the last thread, I think.  The registry also gave the G in his middle name as his mother's maiden name instead of the name that we had.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
So do we have a pic of Hendrick, Jr.?   I am more interested in seeing what Caps has done.  How much longer is this going to take? And when we do see his theory can any of it be proven and what good will it be when it's all said and done?  What if we find out that Shango was just a bored comic book novelist?  What if we find out that Shango was never even in Aruba and made it all up?  What if we find out Caps is Shango?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 10:58:43 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.



He and Junior are Betico's sons, aren't they?  CAPS told us that Rudy is a player and that he beats his wife.


Yoo Hoo Klaas, Is there a way the we can find that post from CAPS which shows the registry information for Steve Croes and his parents?  It was somewhere in the last thread, I think.  The registry also gave the G in his middle name as his mother's maiden name instead of the name that we had.

right Betico... I wonder why Oduder kicked him outta the party his father formed? Maybe is was the drugs??? nahhh that can't be it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 11:00:51 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
I'm still reading the things I have saved and came across some more interesting info related to Shango.  I may have credited the wrong person with the info I have posted and if that is the case please know it was not intentional.  I just did not organize things very well.  If you recognize your post, please make a correction.

If I am muddying the waters with this old info, tell me and I will not post any more. 

CHATA

**********************
Quote:

How about Ruben Trappenburg (sp?) as Alcazar? The summarized opinions fit in very well with all the statements I have heard from him from day 1. He was the one who brought up the duck's eggs and work permits, etc. He has been very negative and nasty, and appears to believe this is all just a big inconvenience to the Aruban govt, and Americans family, media, searchers, etc., are a big pain.
_________________

Hi.

I was reading Alcarez and Gordos stuff again.

This stuck out:

Malchus: Jewish born counselor
Captain Haddock: Explorer
Yemaya: goddess that rules over the ocean
Ladino: Jewish speaking: Jeruselum


They are a power unto themselves... they are NOT part of the NWO. They have aligned, over the years, with Faction Two. Remember "Lucky" Luciano. The Sicilian Mafia understands the new world order... it's the real Jewish Mafia. The Aruban mafia is so powerful that even the NWO leaves them alone! They make the Muslim terrorists look like Keystone Cops

http://www.ujcl.org/aruba/
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=73437


Hmmm!

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: ignore.php?mode=add&username=omega&topic=1182
 
Quote:

lion
The lion is a meat-eating African mammal. Lions are nocturnal (most active at night). A group of lions is called a pride.
They are mainly nocturnal and work in teams to stalk and ambush prey. HABITAT:
The African lion inhabits grassy plains, savannahs, open woodlands and scrub country.

IMHO: lions = night people...partiers, drug dealers/users
_________________

Quote:

Wampum, My thoughts:
We signed the bill, under $100, to the room, intending to use Wampum to pay later. Here in the land of the Pequot you earned Wampum from your casino play. We planned to earn heap big Wampum, especially if I got knocked out of the tournament early.
http://www.brodietech.com/liontales/2003_11_01_liontales_archive.html

....wanted to look for Shana because in Aruba we had kind of said we’d see each other here but Shortstack wanted to get an early start so we powwowed with the casino hosts over the wampum needed to pay our bill and checked out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The ruling "enables an Indian tribe to become a political cash register that can gulp 'soft money' from any source and disgorge it as 'hard money' contributions or expenditures," explains Ed Zuckerman, editor of the PACs and Lobbies newsletter. Zuckerman concluded that the FEC gave tribes "a unique opportunity to earn transaction fees and commissions by utilizing their tribal accounts to launder soft money into a new form of hard money that might be called 'political wampum.'"
"The McCain-Feingold Indian Giving Loophole"/by Michelle Malkin/Capitalism Magazine/ 4.12.01

Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba's offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes, to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. In 2000, the GOA issued several decrees on money laundering that included increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Netherlands Antilles' large offshore financial sector, bank secrecy, casino/resort complexes, high volume of American and Dutch tourism, and stable currencies make the country conducive to money laundering. Trinidad and Tobago is not an important regional or offshore financial center. However, drug traffickers reportedly have laundered money using overvalued purchase prices, real estate, casinos, stockbrokers, insurance companies, and other nonfinancial establishments.
"The Drug Trade in the Caribbean: A Threat Assessment"/U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration/This report was prepared by the Strategic South America/Caribbean Unit (NIBC) of the Strategic Intelligence Section of the Office of International Enforcement Support. The Attorney General has determined that publication of this periodical is necessary in the transaction of the public business required by law of the Department of Justice./ August 2001
http://www.casinowatch.org/crime/money_laundering.html

IMHO, wampum = comps, barters, for use w/casinos &/or money laundering

(as an aside...don't the mansurs own much of the free-trade-zone in aruba?! & aren't van rijn's companies located in the aruba free-zone, barcadera??!)

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: ignore.php?mode=add&username=Hopefloats&topic=957




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 11:14:07 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.



He and Junior are Betico's sons, aren't they?  CAPS told us that Rudy is a player and that he beats his wife.


Yoo Hoo Klaas, Is there a way the we can find that post from CAPS which shows the registry information for Steve Croes and his parents?  It was somewhere in the last thread, I think.  The registry also gave the G in his middle name as his mother's maiden name instead of the name that we had.

Is it this?
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Ex-wife or girlfriend? / mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.


Mother: Imelda Stacia-Soliana or Imolda Statia Saliana  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2008, 11:15:04 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1480
 
ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD


(this was the original post from Caps, I believe there was a later edit to some information, I don't have that one handy but you can go to the link and see it also)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 15, 2008, 11:15:52 PM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 11:16:29 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)




Oh CAPS, I am just absolutely overwhelmed with horror.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


What can be done to search this pond?  Do the Halloways and the FBI have this information?  Was Natalee the only young woman that was victimized for two hours?  What does Anita's mother and Paulus's brother have to do with this?  I am horrified at Renfro.  CAPS, what can we do?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:17:13 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

Afirmative (YES)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 11:24:43 PM
Thanks so much Klass, you are great!    ::MonkeyCool::

I forgot to tell you that you could find it in the vaccum cleaner.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:27:56 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)




Oh CAPS, I am just absolutely overwhelmed with horror.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


What can be done to search this pond?  Do the Halloways and the FBI have this information?  Was Natalee the only young woman that was victimized for two hours?  What does Anita's mother and Paulus's brother have to do with this?  I am horrified at Renfro.  CAPS, what can we do?

Status
Dave know about this place. The Ocean Explorer scanned the pond. They have the map and know what is in it.

John stayed and kept an eye on the side with the ALE till before the strike begin. 2 days the before venezuala crisis, John and some one scanned the pond.

This is the pond that my report show in January. The info was passed to Dave ten hand it was scan before they left to the state.

Now shango is pointing to the same area.

We need forensec down here ASAP but who will request this to Hans MOS. or the FBI should come down but they to know about this area. I did sent my report to them in January. but notting has been done. The Shango is showing also an peace pipe offering...

TBC.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 11:28:24 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


Solved ... Good!

Awaiting your whole Shango/Simian explanation.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2008, 11:31:35 PM

Thanks Caps!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:36:35 PM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:46:45 PM
Mum,

If you are interested, Glenbert and Junior are here:  http://aroiltradingpartners.com/about_us


AROIL TRADING 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754

Interesting, Glembert own many people on Aruba Money.

Now check also Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 11:56:32 PM
Capslock - can you tell us what this "breaking news" is about?

Atraco na un cas den Caya Jauncho Kock       
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 - 23:04 
Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4529/8/#jc_allComments


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
CAPS,  Thank you so much for your help.  We know that you have taken a great risk to give us this information.  We do appreciate you and don't you dare go away now that you have given us the answers.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2008, 12:04:18 AM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Quote
Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Quote
Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 16, 2008, 12:08:49 AM
Capslock - can you tell us what this "breaking news" is about?

Atraco na un cas den Caya Jauncho Kock       
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 - 23:04 
Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4529/8/#jc_allComments

Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen.

A moment ago, a chineese man was held-up / robbed in his house located in Juancho Kock Street. The person was bound and held-up. soon there will be more info and pictures.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 12:17:47 AM
Hi Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

Who is the Minister that owns Brothels in Venezuela? Jossy mentioned this in his paper and said he would name names and would tell more..But never did..It caught my attention because he said he was angry after Jorans release and mentioned this in regards to Natalee's case. Is it Rudy Croes? We saw early in the case he was nailed for giving work visas to 3 girls from the D.R. who he forced into prostitution and held them against there will(Allegedly) He was in pretty hot water with that country but somehow nothing was ever done. He claimed he put them to work in San Nicolas to paint..lol!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2008, 12:22:42 AM
Capslock - can you tell us what this "breaking news" is about?

Atraco na un cas den Caya Jauncho Kock       
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 - 23:04 
Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4529/8/#jc_allComments

Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen.

A moment ago, a chineese man was held-up / robbed in his house located in Juancho Kock Street. The person was bound and held-up. soon there will be more info and pictures.

Thanks Capslock - I couldn't make anything out even with the pap translator  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2008, 12:41:19 AM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Quote
Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Quote
Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture..... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
SNIP


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2008, 12:50:03 AM
Hi Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

Who is the Minister that owns Brothels in Venezuela? Jossy mentioned this in his paper and said he would name names and would tell more..But never did..It caught my attention because he said he was angry after Jorans release and mentioned this in regards to Natalee's case. Is it Rudy Croes? We saw early in the case he was nailed for giving work visas to 3 girls from the D.R. who he forced into prostitution and held them against there will(Allegedly) He was in pretty hot water with that country but somehow nothing was ever done. He claimed he put them to work in San Nicolas to paint..lol!

*******,
Caps may know more about what you're talking about; I remembered this incident with "Booshi Wever" in Venezuela.  I think there was a front page post about it too.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360480 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360480)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 16, 2008, 12:58:11 AM
Hi Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

Who is the Minister that owns Brothels in Venezuela? Jossy mentioned this in his paper and said he would name names and would tell more..But never did..It caught my attention because he said he was angry after Jorans release and mentioned this in regards to Natalee's case. Is it Rudy Croes? We saw early in the case he was nailed for giving work visas to 3 girls from the D.R. who he forced into prostitution and held them against there will(Allegedly) He was in pretty hot water with that country but somehow nothing was ever done. He claimed he put them to work in San Nicolas to paint..lol!

All these Ministers have dirty secrets.

E.G. Rudy Croes likes to go to Montana Aprt 101, not to far from Joran house and hide his USV behinde the building and so to spend the night with this Colombian Girls. He do forget sometimes how many permit does he give to these chineese business people who hire only colombians bar mate in exchange for cases of Heineken and sexual favors. There is so dirt that even after presure wash it still will not come off.

R.C Job before Minister of Justice was an Laboratory analys of feases. How in the world do you have the expertise to know the legal system of Holland and the world. his capacity is zero. he can not managed on their own and thats why they need so many advisors to help him think. it is an island with 110.000 inhabitant and not 100 million and they can not even managed the small size. go wonder.

Now for Booshi Wever. The man that falsificate his Degree to get a Job in the government and them when he was working in his position applied for government grand to go get the real degree.
The man that go to Venezuela and bought himself a strip join and where he was arrested for drug traficing, he paid his way out the problem with drug money. He forgot that as Healt Minister at least the person in charge should be a person in the medical profession and with a Valid Degree to understant the issues at hand. Watch the news these days of the big scandal comming down in the Money laundring in the Healt system. USA allready arrested Miakito Farro who is accused of money laundring in the Labroratory of the government. Today there the AZV is claiming that the laboratory still own them 7.2 million that was supposed to be paid in 2006 now is 2008 and there is no invoices passed from the Laboratory to be paid to the AZV Insurance company. As shango would say follow the music. to much to mention

TBC.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 01:48:21 AM
Thanks Caps and I love your sense of Humor  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your saying Candelerio Wever and Booshi are one in the same? I remember he was busted with a ton of coke in Venezuela and 250k which he used to buy his freedom...Makes me wonder if he is related to our gay pimp Guido?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 16, 2008, 02:16:19 AM
Thanks Caps and I love your sense of Humor  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your saying Candelerio Wever and Booshi are one in the same? I remember he was busted with a ton of coke in Venezuela and 250k which he used to buy his freedom...Makes me wonder if he is related to our gay pimp Guido?

Booshi Wever is his call name but his real name is Calendario Booshi Wever.

the story about the venezuela case is true. The bar is located in Punto Figo near the port off entrance into venezuela. Booshi thinks that he is above the law.. Well think again ....with the same law tape measure he measure the oposations today, and when they will come into power, they will messure him against the same tape. If he is clean, then there is nothing to worried about. But if he is Dirty, there is a broom and a mop waiting him  and the walls are 12 meter high and has 8 secure door to exit.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 03:36:08 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

Afirmative (YES)


So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's (think I remember the name) from CA took pictures of?

Was this called the "Lion's Den"?

If this has already been answered... sorry, am catching up in reading this thread.


Keep up the Good Work, Monkeys. CAPS take care. Don't trust anyone. Be safe!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 04:10:48 AM
CAPS very interested in your map! ::MonkeyDance::

The Lekker restaurant... any tie ins with the gang "Bike" this that is the name
"Bike Lekker Gang" that was first mentioned either on SM or RWV

I see "pipes" marked... since I am way behind on reading this thread... is this important?

IS the path in front of the apts. the only way to get to the Pond? (looks like a path threw the trees)

There was a rumor in the beginning the NH was in a freezer for awhile. Is this why the store is marked?

The Aruban Supreme Court says that Paulus was Natalee at 4 AM (his second time that evening) near the MacDonald's. Are these Apts near there? If she was at the filming in the apts. how long would it take to go from there to the MacDonalds.

Let's see... if she was there, filmed then who gave her the drink at 3 AM
the wine of Baccus?

What is directly behind the apts?  more land or garages?

How old is the map??? for if it is the Lions Den as pictured about 2 1/2 years ago they have cut out much of the vegetation from the back.

OK, say she is in the pond... why hasn't anything surfaced yet? or was she moved from there too? say to the dump or cremation or the ocean?


Reminder to Self: get cable or DSL with Stimulus Package in June!!!! 56k takes hours to read lately.

From a recent translation of yours... I am guessing "den" means "was or had"

if so, going with someone who said Lions are men of the night, and den was had, could the play on words mean "Men had" and the House of Rave could be the store?\

Can't get out exactly what I mean. Need sleep. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:15:15 AM

« Reply #96 on: April 15, 2008, 08:40:54 PM »SS...

A while back CAPS had us looking for an apartment that someone involved in the case owned, but I thought it was near the Raquet Club.  Is this near the Raquet club?   If Anita's mother or Paul's brother answer the phone, then they must live here or own the place.  Wasn't Anita visiting her mother in Holland?  This place must be Paul's little nest where he parties and takes advantage of young girls.
Snipped…

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 SS…An apartment or villa by the Racquet Club was discussed last week, along with the Ponson’s who owned it in 2005. The Racquet Club has had my attention because of the activity there every day after May 29th. , the two people employed by them that were questioned, and one Jorge Porras Sanches/Sanchez. (18 year old or Tennis Pro who also works the Holiday Inn)

This was all posted last week in the other thread, along with copies of the items from the Dr. Phil Log. Lala’s and I have posted many times pondering just what Jorge was petitioning the courts to have returned.

The only response from Caps regarding the Racquet Club has been that he was not on Aruba in 2005. And the only Ponsons I have seen him mention are Sydney and Giovanni.

The Racquet Club was totally remodeled in 2005, there are villa and houses surrounding the Racquet Club, the gardener saw a car and 3 people there, the pimps met there daily in the week following Natalee’s disappearance and ALE picked up Joran from there. (See Kermit’s post from last week from Deepak’s PV)


Will start a thread on the Racquet Club as soon as I finish some research on it.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:17:54 AM
One more thing.  I believe Granny Toad has a background in Anthropology.  She looked at the Venez. bone and felt it was from that monkey/primate that begins with an M... I trust GrannyToad.

Thanks Buckeye for clearing this up...I do too and have saved posts that I run across.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 04:23:14 AM
You said the Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door

OK... I take them to be the two buildings to the left of the apts... It looks as if the buildings have some addons in back... it their workers live there.( in some counties even the US, workers have been known to live in back in good and bad conditions)...If open late at night wouldn't the workers or owners know what goes on in the apts?

Did the back have cameras for that night?

What is all that white stuff and other stuff along the fence of the apts to the right. What kind of business is that? And what is in back of the apts?

Even in the San Fernando Vally, the porno film studio capital, it isn't easy to film without a ruckess and lots of cars, unless come car pooled to the party... hence cars following Joran, Depak and Satish.

Was Paulus the producer and distributer???? Does this area have WIFI?

TIA... now back to catching up.

Wow... some of us codetalkers, lurkers have been here 3 yrs??? Where's Anna? Where's DutchLady?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:26:13 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)

Caps...This is not the same apartments we discussed previously, the ones that Lala's posted about a couple of pages back. The ones where you said a relative of the Sloots would answer the phone in the Netherlands!

This is not the same map you posted either. Is it even in the same area!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:35:24 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.



Freddy....the one we spent hours and about 10 pages discussing a couple of weeks back, only for Caps to tell us he doesn't exist!

FREDDY ALEXANDER ZEDAN ARAMBATZIS IS A MADE UP NAME AN ALIAS...so how can he have a brother? This is what Caps stated on the previous thread and I will not waste time going back to find it)

Sorry Caps...where did you say 7A Catiri is?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:38:17 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

Afirmative (YES)



But totally unrelated to this case, right Caps?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 05:02:42 AM
Meant to ask "Does the ATM/Bank have cameras at night that would also who the traffic in the backgrounds on the road?'


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 05:03:05 AM
This is the latest from Caps on the Croes’ genealogy posted yesterday, and my responses, which Caps must have missed as I did not see a reply from him!

« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2008, 02:02:20 PM »    Quote
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:29:47 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at that same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA


Caps reply...

Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS

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My response…« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2008, 02:22:41 PM »


Caps... I have been round and round and up the path many times on this. I believe SS confirmed what I thought I finally had straight!

Betico, Hendrick and Rudy all brothers! I thought I rechecked after the discussions a few weeks back as I kept seeing posts that said Rudy was the nephew and others that he was the brother. I believe I even checked the birth years and was sure that Rudy and Hendrick were brothers!

This needs to be documented to avoid any more confusion! Can't keep going around in circles...LOL

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2008, 02:41:09 PM »

From Arubagirl...though this not where I checked from before...I really searched then! I am led to belive she knows her stuff!


http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/index.html


There was an election. Mep won the absolute majority (11 seats in parliament).

So, forming a cabinet would be a piece of cake, right?

Wrong.

More than a month has passed and we still haven't gotten any firm decision on who is getting what ministry. I suppose that splitting the loot is a complicated process.

First of all, the big problem is Rudy Croes, since apparently the Netherlands has been making noises that they do not approve of him as Minister of Justice. Big drama among Rudy's supporters, with the words "meddling in autonomous affairs" being heard the most often. See, the problem with that sentiment is that the Netherlands does still give us money. So they do appropriate a right to have some say in who is going to actually spend the money. Unless we manage to be completely on our own (yeah, right), we're just going to have to grin down and bear it.

Rudy, magnanimous guy that he is, has let it be known that he is willing to settle for the Ministry of Tourism, on the condition that his brother, Hendrik Croes, becomes Minister of Justice.
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« Reply #98 on: April 15, 2008, 09:52:26 PM »    Quote
 
 Betico, Hendrick and Rudy Croes…Brothers!!!!
Will not waste time looking anymore, as far as I am concerned the 3 are brothers! Took me forever last time to find a DOB for Rudy and not going there again…I am convinced!…LOL…also see SS’s posts and my earlier post today, from arubagirl, on this.

Hendrick - January 8th.1942
http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=10http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/473(70)
 Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert & Junior Croes.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 05:42:39 AM
Caps…Your theory always leads back to ‘Croes’…Marianne, Teresa, Rudy, Hendrik, Steve and his doppleganger. Where is your proof?

Posters here refuted Marianne as the Prosecution spokesperson, backed it up with research, but you went with it anyways. (For those that missed it van der Straten and KJ were the ones talking to the press in the first few days).

What about Rudy? I’ll be the first to say he is dirty, but you can’t even prove he was in Aruba May 29th. Go back to the FP and find Gabe Leo’s post…Gabe posted he was in Columbia!

In your theory Lorenzo merited one line and 2 posts IIRC, Freddy – he doesn’t exist, and our Max Arends and Max Arendz just don’t even deserve a mention.

Guido Wever seems to fit your story, but do you have the right Guido Wever? Sorry, I realize this has been asked before!

The Kalpoes, not sure, but I think you have them as 2 hitmen flying out on the Wane jet, so I guess they are exonerated! Patrick van Eem apparently lived somewhere near them, but from what I could tell the addresses were in Surinam and Curacao and did not receive a response for clarification! What happened to the MIU or whatever it was called?

Anita or Rudy carried ‘something’ to the Hague! Heck I don’t even know if either of them were there for sure! Show me the proof that Anita was in the Netherlands…prove to me that Rudy was in Aruba!

In January the Lion’s Den had nothing to do with XTC DNA and last night it’s right next door and across the street! (Please refer to your response to me, way back in the first thread regarding the Lion’s Den)

Sorry Caps…Unless you can show a whole lot of proof to back up your theory, this train just left the station….and it’s headed back to Freddy, Lorenzo and another hard look at Max Arends!

And …yes….there is a Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis/Arends…see my posts from the last week …with research to back it up!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 05:58:01 AM
Chata and vms...thanks for the posts and links...

Looks like the perfect spring day to wash those windows...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 16, 2008, 06:22:05 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

I believe these are the apartments Dave Holloway was speaking about in his book that I made reference to in an earlier post.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 16, 2008, 07:31:48 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 08:58:22 AM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Quote
Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Quote
Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture..... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
SNIP



Texasmom...could you please explain if this has anything to do with Natalee's case, other than Judge Wit, or Shango?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 09:34:49 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's took pictures of and a few of us have??
 Did  the Clausen's ever post them here?
Was this called the "Lion's Den"?
17 NOORD ?????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 10:31:20 AM
Caps
I know you have left right now, but I am going to try to answer a few questions and if you would please come back and correct me on any of it.  You have let the cat out of the bag now...it all requires proof to go from a theory to evidence.  We have lots of speculation and nothing to hang our hats on this time too...so please come back and explain a little better about your theories.


The apartments in question...Caps is saying that place is across the street and down from the Lekker Restaurant.  (XTC DNA = exotic dinna).  In his photo you can not see the Lekker restaurant.  Also, this particular road is the one that leads to the Mc Donald's near the beach, where a call was supposedly placed that night.  The area would be the Monserat area. I have no idea whether it is the Noord area also.  Since I know the chinese restaurant is on this street, I suppose one could go from that address and decided what if this is the same area as the Indo.  I think Caps is saying it is not, but he can correct me on that fact if I am wrong.

Now I have a few questions for Caps...please fill in the blanks:

1. What happened to the Shango riddles?  Would you mind posting the riddles and providing the answers as to how they fit this latest scenario?
2. What happened to the hitmen from Surinam that caught the plane afterwards?
3. Where is it that Shango tells us that Julia is involved in all this?  I really want to see that part.
4.  Who else was there when this happened? Rudy Croes, as Loegese alluded to?  Was Paulus there?
5.  What happened to the theory about the kidnapping of the wrong girl?
6.  Would Steve Croes be the escort to this place? 
7.  How does Joran figure into this scenario?  Was he there? 
8. Do the Kalpoes have anything to do with this or were they innocent?
9. Please show everyone the connection between the casino and this place.
10. Who killed Natalee in this place?  Was it Joran?
11. Who are the men that are responsible for all this stuff? 
12.  Does Julia get paid to provide these girls? What is her part in all this?
13. Who did the filming of this movie? 
14. Where is the movie now?  Who has it in their possession? 
15.  How does this relate to Joran's story about the beach and Daury?
16.  Do you still think the DEA knew more than he let on to the family?
17.  How does Ponson figure into this whole theory?
18. Where does your Ritz-Carlton theory fit in all this?
19.  Is this two different stories or are they woven into one?
20.  Who is the 5th suspect that Simian is talking about?  The person that provided escort?
21.  How does Deutkohom (sp) fit into all this?  Was he there that night?

I will stop there for now, but if you don't mind answering these questions it will help everyone that is reading to better understand your theory. Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:10:08 AM
Where the heck is everyone?  hmmmmm...I can wait.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 11:10:59 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's took pictures of and a few of us have??
 Did  the Clausen's ever post them here?
Was this called the "Lion's Den"?
17 NOORD ?????


Blonde,
I think it is the same row of apartments.  Mrs Clausen posted here as Best Buddy.
Another poster, Ringo, may have gone with the Clausens.
Pictures were posted here on the Codetalkers Thread and then taken away,
when Bestbuddy and Ringo went away and stared a new invitation only site,
which is now deunct.  Bestbuddy also had a lot of information from gamblers
from Las Vegas who knew all about Natalee and the Lion's Den.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:20:06 AM
Didn't Dave say the Indo restaurant and the lions den next door was suspicious?  I think so.  I am certain this has been discussed before.  The Claussen info...where did that come from?  Who was it that provided that info to us?  I forget now.  I wish I could find all that info from the LCD, but I can't...I am sure this info will help Dave to sort through what he knows to be true and maybe he can connect the dots accordingly. 

Caps?  Where are you?  I have questions...we need to fill in the blanks. What happened to all those Dutch apartments you led us to early on?  Do they still use those for illicit purposes?  Who would answer the phone if we called?  Which relative?  Could it be one of Anita's...lots of monkeys have thought she held all the cards from the get go.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:22:39 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   



I thought Caps said these people that own this place are from Suriname?  No wonder the Kalpoes are so quiet...didn't Caps say they and Joran were not involved in her death?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:24:44 AM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
Didn't Dave say the Indo restaurant and the lions den next door was suspicious?  I think so.  I am certain this has been discussed before.  The Claussen info...where did that come from?  Who was it that provided that info to us?  I forget now.  I wish I could find all that info from the LCD, but I can't...I am sure this info will help Dave to sort through what he knows to be true and maybe he can connect the dots accordingly. 

Caps?  Where are you?  I have questions...we need to fill in the blanks. What happened to all those Dutch apartments you led us to early on?  Do they still use those for illicit purposes?  Who would answer the phone if we called?  Which relative?  Could it be one of Anita's...lots of monkeys have thought she held all the cards from the get go.




Good Morning Lala's...IIRC, Pita posted that in Dave's book it was alluded to that the Lion's Den was one of Freddy's filming places. I recall way back the Claussen website and pics which have now long gone. Also remember lots of discussion on the old LCD before I joined.

I can't fathom why Caps told me no when I asked in January about the Lion's Den and now 3 months later we are here revisiting it! Is this new info to him? Then he needs to explain!

I shudder to think how many weeks of research are in that list you just posted, and that is just on my part!

Thanks Magnolia...that was all new info about the posters. Most appreciated.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 11:51:44 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Good Morning Rob...Caps mentioned some-one and a jewellery store last week. For the life of me I can't remember the name for sure...could very possibly be have been the Giovanni ponson guy when we were discussing him and Angela Reppas. I think it was...no idea who this Ponson is either....LOL...the cobwebs were clearing as I was posting!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 11:55:57 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

I believe these are the apartments Dave Holloway was speaking about in his book that I made reference to in an earlier post.

Yep, we are right back to September, 2005.
Now we have the Heidweiller and Matty Appartments to add to all the Baidjnath-Misier info...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:56:54 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 12:01:01 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 16, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.
Julia's Fella....

From the SM link of Kermit's info:

Boset, Patrick",delta@setarnet.aw
Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","
http://www.0-0.com/txt_s/cn_aruba.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
Morning Mum and Lala's..

I don't know if Julia's boyfriend is connected. I have no idea. I'm sorry.

I also wonder about Mr. Ramierz. I understand he is just listed as a businessman... anyone have any idea what kind of businesses? I also understand he is Aruban IIRC, and married Ms Kettlepottie (LOL) and she moved to Aruba and the galoot brothers followed but separately. Mr. Ramierz seems to be very under the radar in my opinion.

I wonder if he is associated with the jewelry stores in some capacity?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 12:19:28 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.
Julia's Fella....

From the SM link of Kermit's info:

Boset, Patrick",delta@setarnet.aw
Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","
http://www.0-0.com/txt_s/cn_aruba.htm


Kermit copied it wrong...

"Delta Real Estate c.v","Wajaca 300","O'stad, O'stad 4321111 - AW","","","deltarealestate.net","Boset, Patrick","delta@setarnet.aw","00-297-829210","","Boset, Patrick","delta@setarnet.aw","00-297-829210",""
"Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","","arubajewelry.com","Darren Gad","diamondsintl@setarnet.aw","011 297 880443","","","","",""


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:

Well whatever Freddy had to say in August it sure doesn’t appear to be much! Funny how none of Freddy’s statements ever surfaced except in Joran’s book labeled Fiction!

Vms…full circle, right back where we started, minus Freddy, and with some new names thrown in. Cabez(Jacobs) is one I would like to know about!

Forgot about Patrick Boset. Still think Giovanni scored a jewellery shop, along with Evert, the guy with the Tropical Café who is coincidently listed in the Dr. Phil Log as giving a statement. Will have to check later on Ponson…my windows are neither done or solved.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on April 16, 2008, 12:44:25 PM
Perhaps you all already know this, but Diamonds International has stores throughout the Caribbean and Mexico. My guess is they have over 100 stores.   I don't know for certain if the local stores are company owned, or franchises, but I believe they are company owned. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 12:57:27 PM
Perhaps you all already know this, but Diamonds International has stores throughout the Caribbean and Mexico. My guess is they have over 100 stores.   I don't know for certain if the local stores are company owned, or franchises, but I believe they are company owned. 

So would that make them owned by the Dutch or the Surinamese?  I really don't understand this ownership thing at all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 16, 2008, 01:02:44 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
DIAMONDS INTERNATIONAL 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 90-92, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  CROWN TRADING N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  30 SEPTEMBER 1994 
Last amendment in the articles  28 DECEMBER 2004 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
Main branch: CROWN TRADING NV registered under number 17749
located at L.G. SMITH BLVD. 17, ORANJESTAD WEST 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
GAD, DARREN NATHAN
Residing in  PALM BEACH 524, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in ENGLAND, LONDEN on 4 OCTOBER 1968 
Nationality  BRITISH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
TO PRACTISE THE JEWELLER'S TRADE. 
   
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=26203

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=32318

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=35669

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**********

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Our corporate headquarters are located in New York City.
http://www.shopdi.com/Store-Locations/lo/lo.cfm
http://www.shopdi.com/Oranjestad/lo/loarubaorj.cfm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 01:39:05 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:

Well whatever Freddy had to say in August it sure doesn’t appear to be much! Funny how none of Freddy’s statements ever surfaced except in Joran’s book labeled Fiction!

Vms…full circle, right back where we started, minus Freddy, and with some new names thrown in. Cabez(Jacobs) is one I would like to know about!

Forgot about Patrick Boset. Still think Giovanni scored a jewellery shop, along with Evert, the guy with the Tropical Café who is coincidently listed in the Dr. Phil Log as giving a statement. Will have to check later on Ponson…my windows are neither done or solved.


The fashion boutique that Caps said Angelina owned?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 01:51:19 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:

Well whatever Freddy had to say in August it sure doesn’t appear to be much! Funny how none of Freddy’s statements ever surfaced except in Joran’s book labeled Fiction!

Vms…full circle, right back where we started, minus Freddy, and with some new names thrown in. Cabez(Jacobs) is one I would like to know about!

Forgot about Patrick Boset. Still think Giovanni scored a jewellery shop, along with Evert, the guy with the Tropical Café who is coincidently listed in the Dr. Phil Log as giving a statement. Will have to check later on Ponson…my windows are neither done or solved.


The fashion boutique that Caps said Angelina owned?

Hi Vms...could be...I know the Ponson name was mentioned may have just been as Angela's partner.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 01:52:18 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?

I know who Caps is and I think he is trying to be careful in his words.  But without proof this is another attempt in futility. If you think no one has listened to Caps then you are wrong...I have done more than my share.  Caps is my buddy...he knows I am asking questions to verify things...I see it has irritated not just you but many others...I am sorry.  I can't just take anything at face value in this case.  That is what Joran and the Kalpoes and Aruba wish we would do..just accept that Natalee died by an overdose of her own doing and that Joran in his panic called for help to toss her into the sea.  I, for one, want to see proof of it all...I don't come on here just to make light of anything in this case.  I am the person that has stuck this Shango/Simian stuff out through things that no one would believe.  I simply want clarification on things that seem to change with the latest discussions in other threads...I am not saying Caps knows nothing...in fact, I give him more than the benefit of the doubt here.  Why?  Because I know him and I think he sincerely wants to help.  Just saying something doesn't make it so...and with that I will say nothing more...as Simian said...I am done.  If asking questions and wanting clarification is the wrong thing to do then I have obviously bet on the wrong horse.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 02:00:46 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?


Hi Silverfox…nice to see you in the Shango thread…always enjoy your posts.

After 250 pages waltzing around the Shango thread with Caps, this jury is still out! Caps needs to prove some of his ‘done with research’ and ‘solved’.

His theory, some of which involves The News, Marianne Croes, Rudy Croes, the Natalee look-a-like and his hit men are without documentation to prove his claims. Even when posts are made to refute what he is saying he goes with the answer he came into the cage with. 

For about 150 pages now it has been posted that Steve Croes is ‘somebody’ Croes. Prove it! Show me!

I am highly suspicious of one path that Caps tried to follow, but what do I know, Freddy Zedan doesn’t exist!

JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
Let me clarify something here before my email explodes...many things Caps has said are right on in filling in the blanks of a lot of things.  He has given info on the possibility of a place that Natalee might be...he as given info on those "elders" we have been wondering about for a while.  He has given info on dirty hand and the 5th suspect.  He has led us right back to where Dave began looking.  All good things...and yes there are things he knows that others don't...he has done some really incredible things and I am thankful he showed up when he did.  He has helped me to put a lot of things into perspective that I and many others have wondered about from the beginning.  I am not calling Caps a liar...please don't anyone email me again and say that.  He knows me and he knows that I have supported his efforts fully...I have even taken a bashing with some of my closest monkey friends for it too.  I simply want a few answers to smooth out the rough places and eliminate those that need to be left out of this scenario.  I would love to see how Julia fits into this, how Rudy is related to Steve Croes, how the Lions Den and Paulus go together and I would love to see how it all ties into the kidnap plot with a case of mistaken identity.  This is the stuff movies are made of..but this wasn't a movie...it was a tragedy that took away a beautiful young lady that had she lived would have been graduating in the same class as my own daughter...so I am not making light of any of this.  All I have ever wanted is for this family to find Natalee and bring her home where she belongs.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 02:37:06 PM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.
Yes I do remember this story BUT they only went to look around, Anita invited them.
 I think Some reporter tried to have her hubby arrested. He has tattoos ( WOW how scary)This reporter was starting her crap. To get them away.
I do hope I remember this right.
 I do NOT want to start rumors.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 02:38:35 PM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.

Bestbuddy went to Aruba with her husband and possibably Ringo.
She did not meet with Anita, but was at the Prison when Joran
was released and had pictures of Steve Cohen directing the show.
At that time none of us knew who Steve Cohen was.
She and her husband went by the VanderSloot house and caused
a big todo, because her husband had totoos and the Sloots felt
threatened.  Bestbuddy also went to Carlos and Charliles and meet
Steve Croes as he was DJing and she thought highly of him after
that meeting.
She said that a bartender at Moomba sent her to the Lion's Den.
She had a picture of the same star over the apartments that Caps
has posted.
She did a lot of good research, but took it away one post at a time
to the other site.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 02:47:37 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 02:51:20 PM
Thanks FaithMS I sent her an email also


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.

Bestbuddy went to Aruba with her husband and possibably Ringo.
She did not meet with Anita, but was at the Prison when Joran
was released and had pictures of Steve Cohen directing the show.
At that time none of us knew who Steve Cohen was.
She and her husband went by the VanderSloot house and caused
a big todo, because her husband had totoos and the Sloots felt
threatened.  Bestbuddy also went to Carlos and Charliles and meet
Steve Croes as he was DJing and she thought highly of him after
that meeting.
She said that a bartender at Moomba sent her to the Lion's Den.
She had a picture of the same star over the apartments that Caps
has posted.
She did a lot of good research, but took it away one post at a time
to the other site.

So long ago, Magnolia. I remember we thought Cohen was Merryweather at first.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2008, 03:00:23 PM
Can someone tell me where the Monserat area is in Aruba....or point me to a map?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 03:08:44 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Can you launder money through jewelry stores?  Is that possible?  I have never understood how that works.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

You will have to ask BB yourself.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Maybe Caps can find out what business he is in. I have heard sandwich shop, car rental, etc. I would really like to know...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
I hate to admit this, but what is the Kalpoes step dad name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2008, 03:24:11 PM
I hate to admit this, but what is the Kalpoes step dad name.

Ramirez...can't think of his first name, right now, though.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 03:28:50 PM
I hate to admit this, but what is the Kalpoes step dad name.

Ramirez...can't think of his first name, right now, though.

Luis Antonio


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 03:33:53 PM
Got it ,Luis Antonio Ramirez (DOB – 5-2-60, Aruba) – stepfather to Deepak & Satish. ...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 03:37:30 PM
From SM who's who

Luis Antonio Ramirez (DOB – 5-2-60, Aruba) – stepfather to Deepak & Satish. Bought the Cyberzone Internet Café on 8-29-05.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 03:39:07 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Can you launder money through jewelry stores?  Is that possible?  I have never understood how that works.


http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2006/07/24/daily39.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on April 16, 2008, 04:01:44 PM
Hello all you Tango Monkeys!  I haven't posted here in quite a while, but I have been trying to read back through the posts on this thread today. (I'm working too, so the reading is slow.)

I find the new information fascinating and I really hope it helps provide the answers Natalee's family should have.

If I understand Caps to this point he is saying that Steve Croes is not who we think he is and is more involved than originally suspected.  Right?

Also, the apartments and that entire location makes a lot of sense. 

Well, sorry, I don't have any great new insight, but I hope to have more time to get back into the Tango business!

Keep it going!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 04:10:20 PM
Who was the lady Geraldo interviewed? She was introduced as Steve Croes' mother. Was she an actress? I don't think she was connected to Rudy or Hendrik. JMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 04:13:44 PM
Who was the lady Geraldo interviewed? She was introduced as Steve Croes' mother. Was she an actress? I don't think she was connected to Rudy or Hendrik. JMO.

I recall it was Steve's mother also that Geraldo interviewed.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 16, 2008, 04:20:17 PM
Who was the lady Geraldo interviewed? She was introduced as Steve Croes' mother. Was she an actress? I don't think she was connected to Rudy or Hendrik. JMO.

I'm not at all convinced that Steve Croes is the son of Rudy or Hedrik.  Need more concrete evidence. JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
oined: 31 Jul 2005

   
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:09 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Erie it was to stand inside the Excelsier Casino. I expected it to be bigger. For such a small space, the room contained over 100 cameras. The poker dealers were at least in their forties. Some men and some women.

I observed the Tattoo party boat for about an hour from a distance. I have video and hope to have it up tomorrow. There were two young men who looked like they were working and cleaning the boat for some time. They were using a small white dinghy to go back and forth from the beach to the boat docked off shore.

At 4:30 PM the Tattoo was driven into the small harbor in front of the Holiday Inn. At 5:15 PM the boat headed south. I could not see where it went. At 1:45 AM, Friday morning, I have not seen the Tattoo lit up out on the ocean. If it went out for a party, it was not on the hotel side of the ocean in my view.

Walking the beach path from the Holiday Inn to the Marriott Hotel, my husband pointed out the absence of lighting in some areas and the lack of adequate security cameras. It was dark. We spotted one camera in the parking structure at the Marriott.

“Beauty and the Beast” is a bar between the two hotels. It has a road leading to it running along the side of a newly built hotel with ongoing construction. It is the only road we passed leading from the main road to the beach. In darkness the road does not appear to be paved.

Merian Earnest used a signature “Oh No, It wasn’t the airplane.” In the movie “King Kong”, that statement is famous and is finished with, “It was beauty that killed the beast.” It was interesting to find a bar at the end of a non paved road called “Beauty and the Beast.”

The tiki lamps burning real fire was a surprise. There were at least four, six to eight foot tall tiki lamps on the beach side of the “Beauty and the Beast” bar and six smaller fire lamps inside the covered open area section of the bar. Someone has to light them every night. Shango was always stating “light the fires.” There are many fires to be lit at that bar.

Passing the bar to approach the Marriott from the Holiday Inn, the path begins it’s only brick paved section.

That’s all for tonight. Cameras are charging. The Mr. is snorring. I’m going to bed.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
8:15 AM Aruba
Friday Sept. 2, 2005

Tattoo is at its mooring.

Joran to be release from KIA jail.

"Aruba Today" Newspaper

On the front page in bold letters, the papers screams:

“Joran van der Stoot to be released”

“The judge on Thursday ordered the release of Dutch teenager who has been jailed for nearly 3 months in the disappearance of an Alabama honors student and said he will be released this weekend, the youth’s father and attorney said.”

The paper goes on to quote “Red from Scared Monkeys” in his discussion reported yesterday (on the front page of SM) with Natalie’s uncle, Paul Reynolds.

Further the paper quotes Anita Van Der Sloot: “The mother of a Dutch suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said her son was innocent of new allegations that he and three friends took pictures of another girl in “tempting poses”.

She believes the incarceration of her son Joran and the earlier arrests were an attempt to “get the boys to talk.” “But there is nothing to talk about. Nobody takes this nonsense seriously.” Anita is quoted.

Mrs. Sloot believes her son was present when pictures were taken of another girl in her bathing suit.

She closes with, “I believe in the judicial system of my country. I believe in my son’s innocence.”

Source: Aruba Today
Friday, September 2, 2005
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“Thank God, your not the press!”

These were the first words I heard Anita Van Der Sloot say to me this morning after they arrived at the KIA at 10:00 AM this morning.

Once Again our Morning Coffee Informant steered us on a bum rap. We were told Joran Van Der Sloot was to be released at 10:00 AM this morning. We raced to the KIA to find we were the only ones there. We sat in our rented car that screams TOURIST all over it and wondered.

What the heck is going on here! Before we could figure it out, a small car entered the prison parking lot and as it turned the corner I spotted Paulus Van Der Sloot driving.

He spotted our tourist vehicle and decided to pick a parking spot away from us. Before I could say, “look”, Mr. Bestbuddy was talking to him. Anita was standing beside her husband. I went over.

With tears in her eyes and a sad, tired expression, Anita said: “Thank God, your not the press.” After my introduction to them and hand shaking, Mrs. Van Der Sloot showed concerned for us being in the hot sun and told us to come back at 2:00 PM in order to see her son released.

The Van Der Sloots will be giving a live press conference today at 4:00 PM from their home.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Shango, I will tell her of all the support and love.

I dropped off all the letters at Beth's hotel this morning. The front desk confirmed she was there and would receive them.
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rockyroads wrote:
hey, is the white haired man in the picture the merriwether( sp.) guy. that organized the protest against beth? sorry do not want to offend the good people but that group is one big happy cult!

It's interesting you asked who he is. I thought I was the only person who did'nt know that guy behind the police barrier giving direct orders to the Aruban Police Department. He spoke perfect English. I thought he ran the jail.

He tested the speakers, told the press where to stand, lined up the guards and when he was done he came over to me and asked what press I was with.

After I told him I was a tourist, he drilled me on where I was from and asked if my back pack was searched.

NO sir my backpack has not been search. He proceeded to order an Aruban Police Officer to come over to me and search my bag.

The kind officer was so polite. He kept apologizing to me. He reported verbally the contents of the bag as he came across each item.

" Mam do you know you have a loose one dollar bill in here?" And you have a comb and I'm sorry, and a purse, I'm sorry and so on.
God have mercy on any man that has to search my back pack.

The National Enquirer reporter upon me asking, "Who is that guy", said, (again in my words)" he is the private investigator the Van Der Sloots hired from California." I think it was The National Enquirer guy. Well anyway, he let me take a picture of him. I have not confirmed for sure that the information supplied by the reporter is correct. He could be a cousin of my "Morning Coffee Informant." Hmmm! I may have been had.

You probably know more about the white haired guy than I do. He seemed important so I took a lot of pictures of him.

I will say something about that guy. He sure did protect the Van Der Sloots. If you ever get trouble, I suggest you look him up. You would definitely want the white hair guy on your side.

If you find out who he is, could you please let me know!

Thanks Rocky
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:42 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
OMG Shocked

We got lost on the way to the Van Der Sloot house. We thought we were early for the conferance but instead we were late. Nobody was there except a lady with a camera and a police car.

You might want to dispell those rumors.

A lady came up to us. She said she was with AP. She told us that the conference was over. The police officer started taking down the tape the press needs to stand behind. He never said a word to us. We left.

I don't think whoever wrote that story meant us.

That's ridiculas!
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Walnut said:


"People:

Fishermen's huts is being searched right now, this because of a new
tip that just got in a few minutes to an hour ago...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
FeliX wrote:
Wow, BestBuddy! Great shots!

Any idea what kind of tip brought them there to investigate?
Were they back today...Sunday? Any resolution?

"Follow the Star"....The Racquet Club?
The sneaker?



Hi There,

Poster, "Walnut" posted about the tip yesterday on "Where would you look on Aruba"

The pictures were taken today, Sunday. I could not find anyone there digging yesterday.

The Raquet Club is right in the star's path also. Good point!

The sneaker? I have lost my flip flops several times. There is very soft mud around the Fishermen Huts area.
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TartLemon wrote:
Hello, bestbuddy. Very nice photojournal. Ty for sharing.

I have a question about the Beauty/Beast establishment.

Google came up with this. B/B is a boutique located in Arawak Gardens, it is the first in a series of nine to open, across the Allegro resort on Palm Beach.

Could you elaborate a bit please?

TIA




Thanks for checking the post.

Beauty and the Beast sign is very interesting to me also. I need to go back there.

I time lined Shango's posts and noticed that the fires are lit at @2:30 PM on two separate days. On another day, "Preparing the fires" was at 1:30 PM.

Right by the B and B sign outside, there is a bar which has many tiki lamps with real burning fire that need to be lit.

Just curious!
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ONE HAPPY ISLAND

When asking about the disappearance of Natalie Holloway, it is common to hear how a missing person can happen anywhere, how America is filled with crime and how many missing people there are in the US. The answers to what happened that dreadful Sunday night becomes a lesson on “Crime in America.”

For an island of people who call the Haystack hill a "mountain", the trivialization of the disappearance of Natalie is astonishing. Often we would hear how the media was here and blew the story up, how the internet is spreading rumors of prostitution rings and illegal drugs and how potential tourists are believing such stories and canceling reservations.

About one thousand dollars a month our regular bartender believes the media frenzy is costing him. He is mad. He blames the news stations, he blames the reporters, he blames internet bloggers, but not once was the absence of knowledge in the whereabouts of Natalie Holloway the problem. The fact that a young girl with a bright future went missing while vacationing on “One Happy Island” never passed through his lips. Does this mean it never entered his mind?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
re Pair A Dice:

Author: Terry (---.meadwestvaco.com)
Date: 08-15-05 07:56

Danny,
My son and I just walked the beach and met the guy. His name is Captain Monty and his boat is the "Pair a Dice." 32 Ft. Welkraft and he's a working captain. He won't just drive the boat and he's very flexible on trips. His phone # is (297) 992-9586. Let me know if you need anything else.

Pair-A-Dice
Tel./Fax: 78670 / 74026
Rates: Whole day trip: 450.00 USD
Half day trip: 250.00 USD
Note: Boat approx. 10 meters long
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Good one Shango.

I know he is not taking the Dice out if he is a working captian. The boat never moved while I was there.

The word on the island is that many fishermen can not go out because of the price of gas. Some restaurants have limited fish on the menu.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Yeah Maya,

I'm just so mad that I went to Aruba and was subjected to a search, continually questioned on "WHY" I was there, and I swear we were being followed the entire time and all this so called website has to do is come on Scared Monkeys and TAKE whats not theirs and not even say where they got it from.

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Hey Maya,

All the pictures were taken by me or mr bestbuddy.

We were approached to sell the rights to some of the ones we took.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Best....Dave asked me if you checked out you know what, as did my source. Did you?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:14 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
nini wrote:
One of your pictures is posted with more Aruba pictures on the News, Case, Discussion 9/01 by Smiley Angel (Pictures of Aruba). She said they wern't her pictures, that they were on the net. Further down in the thread someones says theses are photos belonging to someone named My 2 Cents on http://forum.prophecies.us. That looks like the same photo of VDS house w/ side view mirror of car showing Question


Hi Nini,

Help me out here....I am "My 2 Cents" on Prophecies....What residence are you referring to in the side view mirror...? Yes, I have photos of Lorenzo, but have not posted them.....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Well,

The girls at the top are locals. LOL

The bottom pic is from Mamboo's bar betwen the Holiday Inn and the Marriott.

Look how close the Holiday Inn is.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Taxis can be any type car and any color.

Carlos and Charlies is on a one way street. Across the street from Carlos and Charlies is a construction site. There were several men with equipment working there (day time). It appeared to be well fenced.

When you take the first right turn to exit from C & C, there is a vacant lot and no lights to the right and what appears to be wood against a fence to block the view of the cruise ship area on the left. The first thing we noticed is how dark it must be at night. We could not locate any security cameras.

The cars are forced to take another right to enter the main street. Before the main street is the internet cafe on your right.

On the main street you can go either south to San Nicolas or left to Noord. The hotel areas are left.


Sorry to blow the margins. I don't know how to stop it.

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Hi Zealot

I remember the mention of the Black Team.

I looked for them but I never saw any Black Team people.

That guy sure looks like the other guy to me.

From what the National Inquirer guy told me, (I know) Merriweather is from the states. I think California. He went to Berkely. I think it was him that went to Berkely. I forget, as soon as I heard "Berkely," I had a sudden urge to smoke a joint and acquire short term memory loss. Oh well, I had a flashback to tie-dyed shirts and headbands. I totally zoned out! I don't know, but someone went to Berkely. Merriweather now lives in Aruba.

Merriweather said to me while I was being searched, (something like) "I don't think you would do anything but I think your boyfriend would." Shocked

We both looked at Mr Best and I said, "Your Kidding?"

Merriweather was like, "No I'm not! I wouldn't put it past that guy." Shocked

I told Merriweather that there was no way Mr. Best would do anything and Merriweather insinuated that Mr. Best may have faked me out. Shocked


Hmmmm!

Must have been Mr. Best's tattoos?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=280
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
I remember NativeLingo posting re this incident w/ the dog, that she heard it from the classmate's aunt. (LCD 8/6) This was at the same time she posted re learning from the receptionist of the mental health clinic where JVDS was being treated: "And yes....he has/had emotional problems......he was/ is a patient of a local pediatric/Juvenile Psychiatrist..... (Fact)" Also: "When I asked the "source" if she was talking about the dog thing, or bullying friends, she told me those were the least of his problems...."

I always find it interesting to look at the inauguration photos of a president & compare them w/ photos from the end of his term; there's usually quite a difference: stress/responsibility is very visible. These first 2 links are photos of JVDS early in his detainment, compare to the release photos 2 months later. Remarkable. I've seen these same visible differences in people when they're on/off their psych meds.

http://photos19.flickr.com/23067488_2bca87e200_m.jpg
http://photos23.flickr.com/34662213_6748059fc6_m.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/21/39948747_789956648c_m.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/25/40836413_3eac0278c4_m.jpg
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Found this about his son, doesn't mean much... Herby Merryweather is captain of a boat named "Dorothy". I just recognized the name when I was looking for info on Merryweather.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_dorothy_.html

There's info on some other boats in Aruba on the same site.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=280
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:07 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
may wrote:
yeah, i saw that, too, chicago.

you find much about Merryweather?


May


It looks like he is the chairman for Casa del Mar. I think Casa del Mar and the Aruba Beach Club are associated with each other.

Here's the newsletter that came our right after he became chairman.

http://casadelmar-aruba.com/newsletter/cdmdecember2001.pdf

You can see the other newsletters here:
http://casadelmar-aruba.com/newsletter
His name appears in them, too.

He also wrote a book about Aruba

http://www.madurolibrary.org/html/library/books/antilliana/m.html

Merryweather, John W.
A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments of Aruba
/ by John W. Merryweather. -
Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.


Here's a link for another Merryweather. Related to John?
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/whatson/carnival2001/lighting.html

"Organizer Linche Merryweather is well known for her ability to attract folks with deep pockets capable to footing bills for spectacular creations."

Read the entire paragraph in that link, because the family names Jansen, Merryweather, and Mansur were all involved in that particular float in the parade. Not sure if any of them are related to the other Karin, John, or Jossy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
there are 4 other license plates visible in the photo; evidently none have paid their taxes as they do not display the same attached tax ID as the Jetta featured in the Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:14 pm post by bestbuddy
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=220

from Clint Van Zandt's commentary:

"As I walked out of the bar the cabs and cars drove by. Some were looking for fares, while some were just cruising, checking out the nightlife in the area. In Aruba it can be hard at times to tell a private car from a cab. If you play detective you can spot the special license plate decal on registered cabs, if, that is, you go to the rear of the car to look for it. Sometimes there's a small, plug-in sign on the dash of the car that says "taxi," and sometimes the driver even has a CB-like radio. But other times a car rolls up and when you climb inside you see nothing that suggests it is a cab. This happened to me twice. When I asked, the driver said his "real" taxi was being repaired, so he was driving a friend's car. The reality is that you have about five seconds to decide whether to get into the car or not. It's hard to know if it's a real taxi, perhaps a situation that Natalee, like me, accepted at face value."
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:38:40 PM
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/884/backofarubaracquetclub42vz.jpg)

Back of Racquet club where homes are being built. Photo by Claussen Investigators.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:39:32 PM
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Behind Racquet club. Photo by Claussen Investigators


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:39:53 PM
(http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4554/behindarubaracquetclub9td.jpg)

Behind Racquet club. Photo by Claussen Investigators


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:41:06 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:43:03 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5323/image483yz4.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 04:50:34 PM
Mum and Rob,

I saw you discussing the jewelry store connection this morning and I couldn't reply because I wasn't on my computer.  The recent jewelry connection that we had discussed was the mother of Daury Rodriguez.  When she was arrested, Ramona Tejada-Rodrigues said that she worked in jewelry sales.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 05:42:14 PM
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 05:42:55 PM

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8116/lionsdenvds6vk7.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 05:59:40 PM
CAPs,

more connections:

sometimes we would rent a hotel room. I happened that three guys were in the same room having sex with girls. I was given a blow job on a balcony once by an American girl while Deepak was in the bathroom with a girl and Freddy was in the room proper with a girl too. But we did never share a girl or did threesomes. That was going way too far for me. We did however make topless pictures of a girl in a hotel room once.
(source: Joran's book Page 4 & 5 (only a bit to page 5, the last page of this chapter):



Deepak had put on a DVD with music video's. One of them was Benny Benassi's video for Satisfaction. It was an x-rated version and had explicit sex-scenes in it. (Joran's book: Chapter 8 continued:page 11 + 12)



I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy,
and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja.
Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.



MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual








MORE CONNECTIONS ABOUT JEWELRY

HELEN BONGERS WORKS WITH JULIA RENFRO AT ISLAND TEMPTAIONS.
Heleen Bongers came to live on Aruba in 1977. After having taught English at La Salle College for a few years, she started working at Amigoe, Algemeen Dagblad and The News. Nowadays, she is a freelancer, writing articles for magazines and for charity projects. She travels a lot to
buy the latest jewelry for her five stores (Beauty and the Beast).

 
Heleen Bongers is secretary of the Clown Doctors of Aruba and the Sports for Life Foundation. She is married to Evert Bongers, a retired French teacher at Colegio Arubano
http://biblioteca.arubahost.com/index.php3?h=434









Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 06:25:40 PM
It's April.  The hat and sweater were getting a little warm.  May I please have some patriotic accessories?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 16, 2008, 06:25:50 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?

Silverfox,

This is what I have believed from the beginning.  Joran did indicate that higher powers were involved.  I do not think he was refering to Oduber, Rudy Croes or any of the Aruban officials.  IMO only.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 06:35:25 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?

Silverfox,

This is what I have believed from the beginning.  Joran did indicate that higher powers were involved.  I do not think he was refering to Oduber, Rudy Croes or any of the Aruban officials.  IMO only.

CHATA

We know it couldn't be one former member though, he is a pillar of the community now.  :roll: :lol:

Seriously though, I agree. It makes sense to me too...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
Kermit,

Thanks for the info, especially the map with Monserat....it jogged my memory.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 06:46:48 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 06:52:22 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5323/image483yz4.jpg)

I remember the real estate records posted at another forum by someone
in Aruba and Paulus Van der Sloot was listed as owner of record on either
5 or 7 of the Raquet Club Villas.  I can't remember which number.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 07:00:26 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.

 I agree with you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???
Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:
Quote
Resigned wrote:
I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.
Quote
Glenda wrote:
Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...
OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture..... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
SNIP



Texasmom...could you please explain if this has anything to do with Natalee's case, other than Judge Wit, or Shango?  TIA
Mum,
Whether or not this has anything to do with Natalee's case is just what I would like to know also.  I have a lot of questions about Julia, and Sidney Ponson for that matter that I would like answers to.  I think I hinted at some of them in my post.  I don't expect anyone here to answer them, I will research those questions and come to my own conclusions.  My thoughts when I made the post were if Sidney Ponson had gambling debts to the extent of his life being threatened and Julia was the person he went to for help. Why would that be?  The March 2005 post indicates that he was still in trouble with the law and not in a position to be making any money in Major League Baseball.
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/bal/y2005/m03/d07/c959494.jsp
Visa issue sidelines Ponson
03/07/2005 5:57 PM ET
Since the charges are not settled, Ponson was told by his agent, Barry Praver, on Sunday night that he would be unable to pitch in any game that charged admission because he would be generating money, and Ponson has yet to obtain his work visa.
Ponson from everything I've read has had many problems including drinking and driving since he's been involved in MLB.  The following comment was made regarding his off season activities:
http://www.aruba-zone.com/content/view/154/1/lang,en/ (http://www.aruba-zone.com/content/view/154/1/lang,en/)
Sidney Ponson stated that this off season he stayed away from his biggest problem, Aruba. What he meant is that in Aruba he knows many people and the lifestyle he lives by in Aruba is not the best for a Major League pitcher trying to revive his career.
Considering Ponson's age, his reputation, and his choices in friends and activities; I don't think it's a jump to believe that he could be involved with some key figures in the case.  The timing of the resolution of the criminal case he was suspect in also indicates to me that he could have possibly been on the island in the time frame of Natalee's disappearance.  The case against Ponson is suspicious from the beginning to me, I have a lot of questions about it. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 16, 2008, 07:32:38 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.

I agree with you.

FWIW/IMO/etc:

Paulus/Anita/Renfro/Merryweather/etc
were waiting for the opportunity to use BB/her hubby:
as justification for Joran being allowed to return to NL
immediately following his release from KIA

BB had created a thread asking for suggestions
re places the monkeys would like her/hubby to visit in aruba

their trip was announced in advance
and they were followed everywhere from the beginning

IMO Paulus/Anita/Merryweather knew what they looked like
and that's why the Sloots struck up a conversation w/ them at KIA
and Merryweather had ALE search BB's backpack

they were laying the groundwork for that night ...
when bondia/Julia Renfro breathlessly posted in the LCD
that an american mercenary was attempting to "hit" Joran

bondia/Julia posted that this mercenary had sent threatening emails
and he was recognizable from his US military tattoos

went so far as to say that the suspected "hit"
might involve a nearby second story window overlooking KIA
and that this mercenary was also seen in front of Sloot home

Anita inviting BB/hubby to Sloot home for press conference
was icing on the cake:
provided a second sighting of mercenary "stalking" Joran

that night, I sent BB a PM or email/can't remember which ...
telling her what bondia was posting

BB came to the LCD and blasted bondia w/ both barrels
but the mission was already accomplished:
Joran was "understandably" being whisked off to NL
to keep him "safe" from the american mercenary





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 07:41:58 PM
Thank You Finngirl, that IS what I remember.
I thought I was loosing it for a few hours
::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 07:43:43 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.

I agree with you.

FWIW/IMO/etc:

Paulus/Anita/Renfro/Merryweather/etc
were waiting for the opportunity to use BB/her hubby:
as justification for Joran being allowed to return to NL
immediately following his release from KIA

BB had created a thread asking for suggestions
re places the monkeys would like her/hubby to visit in aruba

their trip was announced in advance
and they were followed everywhere from the beginning

IMO Paulus/Anita/Merryweather knew what they looked like
and that's why the Sloots struck up a conversation w/ them at KIA
and Merryweather had ALE search BB's backpack

they were laying the groundwork for that night ...
when bondia/Julia Renfro breathlessly posted in the LCD
that an american mercenary was attempting to "hit" Joran

bondia/Julia posted that this mercenary had sent threatening emails
and he was recognizable from his US military tattoos

went so far as to say that the suspected "hit"
might involve a nearby second story window overlooking KIA
and that this mercenary was also seen in front of Sloot home

Anita inviting BB/hubby to Sloot home for press conference
was icing on the cake:
provided a second sighting of mercenary "stalking" Joran

that night, I sent BB a PM or email/can't remember which ...
telling her what bondia was posting

BB came to the LCD and blasted bondia w/ both barrels
but the mission was already accomplished:
Joran was "understandably" being whisked off to NL
to keep him "safe" from the american mercenary





Except we now know it was Cohen and not Merryweather...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 07:48:59 PM
That's what I recall vms. At first we thought it was Merryweather and it turned out to be Steve Cohen.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 16, 2008, 07:49:37 PM
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1355/indorestaurantandvipcluev4.jpg)




If you noticed the picture Kermit posted was taken by the Clauson Investigation Agency. This is who Best Buddy was in Aruba with. She posted lots of pictures for us. Told how they were followed . She met Anita and Paulus at the prison the day Joran was released. To bad our archives do not go forward to September 2005.  Also to bad the link for Clauson no longer exists because she also had it all posted on there as well. I always enjoyed her post. JMHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
BestBuddy went to Aruba with our Hotshot on her second trip in early 2006..Also you can see a few pictures and some of the Clausen research on this blog near the bottom..

http://nataleehollowaywhatweknowsofar.blogspot.com/

BTW: I think you guys are really getting close to the truth on some of these posts! Excellent work and I can barely keep up on this thread!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 07:53:16 PM
Thank You Finngirl, that IS what I remember.
I thought I was loosing it for a few hours
::MonkeyEek::

Paulus/Anita/Renfro/Merryweather/ it was steven cohen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 08:06:58 PM
(http://i30.tinypic.com/k0osqd.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 08:21:38 PM
They looked posed for the Getting Out of Jai ::MonkeyHaHa::l Free picture.  Anita, please buy Jordan some new shirts.  We're so tired of looking at the same one or two.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 16, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Except we now know it was Cohen and not Merryweather...

gaaaaack ... yes, thank you  :2redface:

Merryweather was our earliest/incorrect ID



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 16, 2008, 08:59:10 PM
BestBuddy went to Aruba with our Hotshot on her second trip in early 2006..Also you can see a few pictures and some of the Clausen research on this blog near the bottom..

http://nataleehollowaywhatweknowsofar.blogspot.com/

BTW: I think you guys are really getting close to the truth on some of these posts! Excellent work and I can barely keep up on this thread!  ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks so much ******* for posting that link. I wish that in the Evidentiary review there had been the observations made during Jorans release from prison.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 16, 2008, 09:36:30 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Louis Manseur owned most of the shares in this property.  He pretty recently got ride of 15000 shares is I believe what I read in the Aruba News here while back.  Thought that was interesting.  This is a newspaper put out by ATAHA and bunch.   JB


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 09:38:56 PM
I am bringing these posts over from old threads, so I hope I don't crew it up.  When CAPS told us that he had given his information to Dave and OE, I remembered that OE had mentioned something about checking a pong before they left the island.  I couldn't bring the picture of them scanning the pond.

Right on CAPS.   ::MonkeyDance::


Quote from: klaasend on February 28, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!


This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.


Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?


I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #285 on: February 28, 2008, 04:01:26 PM » 

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Again, this was done to rule out the pond that wasn't previously searched while we were waiting on weather dockside with the Persistence.  I was personally greatful of the guys who went on this search because it's very tiring work.  Other than lugging all the gear and boat to the site, it's tiring repeatedly raising and lowering the sonar and clump weights it uses (all day in the sun). 


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #691 on: March 01, 2008, 02:38:56 PM » 

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Quote from: klaasend on March 01, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 01, 2008, 02:27:29 PM
did they?


I don't think they did.  They searched the pond area then packed up and left 


We were offshore the day after the pond was searched. We were dockside today, leaving tomorrow.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 09:54:24 PM

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1259/februarycr7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1333/february1jn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 09:59:18 PM
Thanks *******, I wasn't able to bring the pictures over.   ::MonkeyWink::

Your Welcome  :wink:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 10:23:49 PM
Does anyone have any idea how deep this pond is?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone have any idea what it would involve to bring a target up from the bottom of this pond?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Do any of our known perpetrators have access to a small boat that could have been launched at night?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone have any thoughts about them stealing the traps from the fisherman's huts, but dropping the trap in the pond instead of the ocean?  According to Andrew Hodges, the stolen trap that the fisherman at the huts described was not as large as the trap that was found in the ocean.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
The fisherman also noticed that a large fishing cage stored behind the first of the three Fisherman's Huts at the southern-most corner was missing. The cage had been there approximately a month since about Good Friday, March 25, 2005. The cage belonged to another fisherman who kept his boat next to these four huts. The boat was still there. But the cage was missing.

The fisherman described the cage as made of 3/8-inch iron (such as that used in concrete reinforcing—"rebar") with a frame size approximately 5 ½ feet by 4 feet by 17 inches. He described it as a large fishing cage with its frame wrapped in chicken wire with its familiar hexagonal openings but with an opening in one panel which allowed them to trap fish. He believed that, given its size and weight, it would take two men to manage the cage. Once aboard, it would lay low on the floor of the nearby fishing boat.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 10:33:55 PM
Texasmom…Thanks for the response….Hmmm…..????

Sir Sidney Ponson

5/27/2005 against Detroit.

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050527&content_id=1065147&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

6/01/2005 against Boston

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050601&content_id=1071630&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
SS:

That Pond cannot be very deep and I would imagine retrieving targets would be very easy  as all they would need would be a experienced diver. From what was posted,that will be the first area they look at when they go back to Aruba to search for Natalee. We are probably looking at less then 100 foot depth for sure.

It's hard to tell how big that pond is or how deep but it would be easily accesable with a cigarette boat like Lorenzo's or any small boat like the one seen in the picture..

I think it's very possible they could have stolen that trap and dumped it in the middle of that pond. If that is true then Natalee would be found very quickly if they searched it.MO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 10:45:39 PM
I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Bondia022808search.jpg)
OE Wrote:
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?

I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 17, 2008, 12:01:26 AM
SS:

That Pond cannot be very deep and I would imagine retrieving targets would be very easy  as all they would need would be a experienced diver. From what was posted,that will be the first area they look at when they go back to Aruba to search for Natalee. We are probably looking at less then 100 foot depth for sure.

It's hard to tell how big that pond is or how deep but it would be easily accesable with a cigarette boat like Lorenzo's or any small boat like the one seen in the picture..

I think it's very possible they could have stolen that trap and dumped it in the middle of that pond. If that is true then Natalee would be found very quickly if they searched it.MO


How an inflatable Rhino Rider from Julia Renfro's water sports company that could be transported to the pond in Lorenzo's van?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 17, 2008, 02:15:26 AM
Kermit,

Thanks for the info, especially the map with Monserat....it jogged my memory.

I think Klassend made the map a long time ago.

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3782/curmap1qs1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 17, 2008, 02:16:41 AM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Louis Manseur owned most of the shares in this property.  He pretty recently got ride of 15000 shares is I believe what I read in the Aruba News here while back.  Thought that was interesting.  This is a newspaper put out by ATAHA and bunch.   JB

That is interesting jack.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:27:05 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Maybe Caps can find out what business he is in. I have heard sandwich shop, car rental, etc. I would really like to know...


Vms…I asked the other day if anyone knew which hotel/casino that Luis worked in. I have seen this twice now, once just last week in a link from the NAH or last Shango thread! He was questioned on June 2nd. And again on June 28th. along with Freddy and Lorenzo…he sure keeps some interesting company on the 28th.!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm


Name: Khemwattie Rajkumar Ramirez
Date: 02 June 2005118:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator Dennis Jacobs & Angelo Anthony
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's mother

Name: Luis Ramirez
Date: 02 June 2005 / 15:10
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Angelo Anthony
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's stepfather

Name: Luis Ramirez
Date: 28 June 2005 / 11:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's stepfather

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:37:19 AM
Kermit…Ribbitt…Ribbitt…Thank you once again  ::MonkeyDance::

Are those villas the Surfside villas? The road does not appear to be paved in some pics!

Anyone know which ‘Star’ that Best Buddy is speaking of here?  TIA

Back to the Racquet Club for me!

bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
FeliX wrote:
Wow, BestBuddy! Great shots!

Any idea what kind of tip brought them there to investigate?
Were they back today...Sunday? Any resolution?

"Follow the Star"....The Racquet Club?
The sneaker?

Hi There,

Poster, "Walnut" posted about the tip yesterday on "Where would you look on Aruba"

The pictures were taken today, Sunday. I could not find anyone there digging yesterday.

The Raquet Club is right in the star's path also. Good point!

The sneaker? I have lost my flip flops several times. There is very soft mud around the Fishermen Huts area.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:41:12 AM
Mum and Rob,

I saw you discussing the jewelry store connection this morning and I couldn't reply because I wasn't on my computer.  The recent jewelry connection that we had discussed was the mother of Daury Rodriguez.  When she was arrested, Ramona Tejada-Rodrigues said that she worked in jewelry sales.  ::MonkeyConfused::

SS...Thanks...This is probably what I was thinking of...too many names mentioned latelt...I feel like I've checked out nearly everyone on Aruba!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 08:42:19 AM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:50:44 AM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.


Rob…Will have to find it, but there is something in J’s book about a Judge Williams and Carlo from when he was released. We couldn’t find Judge Williams!!!

Really slow computer and working on some posts, but will find it!…Not sure if it’s the server..No way…only SM!!! Can not load pages to get to anything!!!

Sorry…Good Morning!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:01:33 AM
Morning Mum, - try this...

http://www.tune-up.com/products/tuneup-utilities/

There is a free download and should speed up your computer and correct the internal problems.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:02:36 AM
Another thing, who wants to bet Mr BB was put on a watch list that would have prevented him from entering Holland?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 09:30:53 AM
Rob…I don’t see much, but maybe some-one else will! Sept. 1st!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


Page 341
In April 2007 Dave will go together with the search and resque team of non-proffit organisation Texas EquuSearch to look for his daughter one more time.

On August 29 2006 my lawyer Anthony Carlo filed a written request to end the investigation against me because I am living under the threat of prosecution for too long. That would also end the status of suspect. On November 30 2006 is the hearing. On December 7 2006 I receive a short e-mail from my father:

P234

August 31st 2005

Joran goes to court and speaks with a judge for a very long time. He feels that this goes well until the judge forces a confrontation between him, Deepak and Satish. The Kalpoes maintain that they did not pick up Joran from the beach.

Joran hears that Freddy will be held in custody for another 8 days.

P235/36

September 1st 2005

Anthony visits again, has not heard back from the judge, only knows that Joran will be confronted with Deepak and Satish again on Saturday. Anthony leaves but returns ten minutes later and says, "Judge Williams has decided to release you on Saturday at 15:00." Joran jumps for joy.

P237

Paul meets with Joran and tells him that he has found a school for him in Arnhem.

September 2nd 2005

Joran learns that Freddy was released yesterday, the Kalpoes released earlier.

CHAPTER 16

Chapter 16: Back in a rush to the Netherlands

P 240

When Joran is released from KIA on Sept 4 he only has time to say goodbye to Freddy, Jaime, Sander and Koen, which bothers him. He doesn't want to go to the NL becase he has just been released. He wants to study in the US, but that was no longer an option because of all the media attention.

The next day he flies to the NL and enrolls at a school in Arnhem, where classes had already started two weeks before. Joran doesn't think that anyone at the school recognized him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 17, 2008, 09:35:40 AM
For those of you who are asking about money laundering and diamonds... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diamonds are a "controlled" commodity...

The mark-up is astronomical....thousands of percent

Diamonds, in reality are one of the most "plentiful" crystals on earth...but market control by diamond entrepreneurs is one of the most successful "cartels" in the modern world...

It is a perfect money laundering scheme...think about it... are there any diamond mines on Aruba?

bring in diamonds on the black market for pennies -- sell for thousands of dollars...

Just research it... it is there... There are countries on this planet where you can take a walk and find a big diamond on the walkpath...

but it is an exploited industry...workers in africa are assassinated if it is felt or determined by security guards that they might have even "swallowed" a gemstone...

The labor cost of extracting a diamond is pennies...but the mark-up to U.S. or European Retail is astronomical...

So...the question is...??? Why is there a diamond industry in Aruba, of all places... Unless the mafia is smuggling them in to launder money from???

This case gets more and more interesting as more of the underbelly of the darkside becomes more and more exposed.....right? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:35:56 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:44:46 AM
Hi Ya Silverfox...

There are no diamond minds on Aruba. The DeBeers corp had a marketing plan for diamonds. I've seen this on the History channel countless times. The guy that owns DeBeers is not a DeBeers at all, but bought them out and conjoined several smaller mines in South Africa into the largest diamond producer on the planet. Diamonds have recently been discovered in Canada and the quality is much better. Fewer inclusions when taken on mass.

You're right, the mark up on diamonds is tremendous. It all started with a little ingenious plan to make a piece of pressurized carbon into a symbol of love and it was ingenious indeed. The carbon itself is not worth much without the marketing plan.

Industrial diamonds are not worth much either, as the quality is very low and only valued for the hardness and cutting ability.

IIRC, when you have a 1 carat diamond, that is twice as rare as a .5 carat diamond. And so on. When you get to the truly titanic size diamonds the rarity is astronomical. A 6 carat diamond would be twice as rare as a 3 carat diamond.

Russia has a vast store house of diamonds and if they released even one tenth of the stock the world price would plummet.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 09:47:46 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.

You are welcome!

Rob…I thought it was Smid that released him in court, but the book said Carlo did it all in 10 minutes!

Also Freddy was released the 1st. and it had been said that he was to be held another 8 days!

Will have to do more research…I smell a rat!

Thanks for the link…will try it in a bit!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:54:28 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.

You are welcome!

Rob…I thought it was Smid that released him in court, but the book said Carlo did it all in 10 minutes!

Also Freddy was released the 1st. and it had been said that he was to be held another 8 days!

Will have to do more research…I smell a rat!

Thanks for the link…will try it in a bit!


wait a sec... didn't the Freebirds do a piece on this? I seem to recall it was Smid. Carlo is powerless to release a formal suspect. He can file the papers and ask, but he can't make any decisions.

probably not a good idea to place too much credence in Joran's book, in my opinion. I know you know that and were just using it as a reference point. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:09:14 AM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Louis Manseur owned most of the shares in this property.  He pretty recently got ride of 15000 shares is I believe what I read in the Aruba News here while back.  Thought that was interesting.  This is a newspaper put out by ATAHA and bunch.   JB


« Reply #869 on: Today at 08:48:46 AM » Quote 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: johan555 on Today at 05:24:37 AM
on Fok :
On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 19:10 wrote secunda the following:

Those who suggest that there is one behind Steve Cohen is Shango?
Those stories still come from somewhere.

Is Steve Cohen at AHATA someone who has worked or is that just a verzinsel?

AHATA means Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association? On Aruba?


I do not know who said that, but Steve Cohen has indeed AHATA. He was also a member of a kind of "damage control" gang that The Strategic Communications Task Force said. I do not know if they still exist, but in those club were all sorts of notables that Aruba must 'protect' against bad press releases.

I am not sure, but I think he departed in 2006/2007 to America for the principal purpose of some kind of head to a local tourist office.


Yes Steve Cohen helped the damage control a great deal when he announced in front of millions that at least 2 of the boy had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever. He is now working for a company in Seattle Washington..
 
 
Jackb…do you have more on the Mansurs and thae property around the Racquet Club? Was it Luis or Eric (the gardener worked for Eric)?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:14:04 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.

You are welcome!

Rob…I thought it was Smid that released him in court, but the book said Carlo did it all in 10 minutes!

Also Freddy was released the 1st. and it had been said that he was to be held another 8 days!

Will have to do more research…I smell a rat!

Thanks for the link…will try it in a bit!


wait a sec... didn't the Freebirds do a piece on this? I seem to recall it was Smid. Carlo is powerless to release a formal suspect. He can file the papers and ask, but he can't make any decisions.

probably not a good idea to place too much credence in Joran's book, in my opinion. I know you know that and were just using it as a reference point. LOL


LOL...more like a contradiction point.  It was the Williams that has caught my attention! There is no Judge Williams, I've looked it up a couple of times on Kermit's judge list...we know another Williams...LOL

So who did Carlo talk to and come back 10 minutes later and tell Joran he was going to be released? Could be fiction, will do some checking!  Need to recheck and see if the Kalpoe face to face happened, or if there was two!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:27:48 AM
Texasmom…Thanks for the response….Hmmm…..????

Sir Sidney Ponson

5/27/2005 against Detroit.

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050527&content_id=1065147&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

6/01/2005 against Boston

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050601&content_id=1071630&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
 


Texasmom, I found this last night, it shows that Sidney did not pitch the days we are looking at.

Need to look at some Simian posts.

Is he related to the Racquet Club Ponsons?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 10:28:16 AM
MUM I'm pretty sure the face to face with Joran and the Kalpoes happened. In fact, it happened twice.

Once they sat them down in a room at one of the police stations (probably Noord, but I'm not sure if it was Noord or Bubali) and they were blaming each other, and the second time was in the police van / car.

I recall this because most of us were questioning the tactic used by the police. It didn't seem to make any sense to any of us at the time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 10:29:55 AM
MUM I'm pretty sure the face to face with Joran and the Kalpoes happened. In fact, it happened twice.

Once they sat them down in a room at one of the police stations (probably Noord, but I'm not sure if it was Noord or Bubali) and they were blaming each other, and the second time was in the police van / car.

I recall this because most of us were questioning the tactic used by the police. It didn't seem to make any sense to any of us at the time.

one other item, wasn't it Steve Cohen that claimed to have open the cell door and released Joran? I seem to recall that also.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:35:49 AM
MUM I'm pretty sure the face to face with Joran and the Kalpoes happened. In fact, it happened twice.

Once they sat them down in a room at one of the police stations (probably Noord, but I'm not sure if it was Noord or Bubali) and they were blaming each other, and the second time was in the police van / car.

I recall this because most of us were questioning the tactic used by the police. It didn't seem to make any sense to any of us at the time.

one other item, wasn't it Steve Cohen that claimed to have open the cell door and released Joran? I seem to recall that also.

Yes...I'm sure it was!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 11:06:07 AM
Bringing this over from the NAH thrad so as we have things together.« Reply #869 on:

 Today at 08:48:46 AM » *******   
 Quote from: johan555 on Today at 05:24:37 AM
on Fok :

On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 19:10 wrote secunda the following: Those who suggest that there is one behind Steve Cohen is Shango? Those stories still come from somewhere.

Is Steve Cohen at AHATA someone who has worked or is that just a verzinsel? AHATA means Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association? On Aruba?

I do not know who said that, but Steve Cohen has indeed AHATA. He was also a member of a kind of "damage control" gang that The Strategic Communications Task Force said. I do not know if they still exist, but in those club were all sorts of notables that Aruba must 'protect' against bad press releases.

I am not sure, but I think he departed in 2006/2007 to America for the principal purpose of some kind of head to a local tourist office.

from *******...
Yes Steve Cohen helped the damage control a great deal when he announced in front of millions that at least 2 of the boy had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever. He is now working for a company in Seattle Washington..





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 17, 2008, 11:35:30 AM
Kermit…Ribbitt…Ribbitt…Thank you once again  ::MonkeyDance::

Are those villas the Surfside villas? The road does not appear to be paved in some pics!

Anyone know which ‘Star’ that Best Buddy is speaking of here?  TIA

Back to the Racquet Club for me!

bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
FeliX wrote:
Wow, BestBuddy! Great shots!

Any idea what kind of tip brought them there to investigate?
Were they back today...Sunday? Any resolution?

"Follow the Star"....The Racquet Club?
The sneaker?

Hi There,

Poster, "Walnut" posted about the tip yesterday on "Where would you look on Aruba"

The pictures were taken today, Sunday. I could not find anyone there digging yesterday.

The Raquet Club is right in the star's path also. Good point!

The sneaker? I have lost my flip flops several times. There is very soft mud around the Fishermen Huts area.




the road that the Gardner took and around the Racquet Club are not paved.
This is the back of the Racquet Club
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9789/backofarubaracquetclubor8.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 17, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Bringing this over from the NAH thrad so as we have things together.« Reply #869 on:

 Today at 08:48:46 AM » *******   
 Quote from: johan555 on Today at 05:24:37 AM
on Fok :

On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 19:10 wrote secunda the following: Those who suggest that there is one behind Steve Cohen is Shango? Those stories still come from somewhere.

Is Steve Cohen at AHATA someone who has worked or is that just a verzinsel? AHATA means Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association? On Aruba?

I do not know who said that, but Steve Cohen has indeed AHATA. He was also a member of a kind of "damage control" gang that The Strategic Communications Task Force said. I do not know if they still exist, but in those club were all sorts of notables that Aruba must 'protect' against bad press releases.

I am not sure, but I think he departed in 2006/2007 to America for the principal purpose of some kind of head to a local tourist office.

from *******...
Yes Steve Cohen helped the damage control a great deal when he announced in front of millions that at least 2 of the boy had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever. He is now working for a company in Seattle Washington..





Dr Phil is unschooled as a journalist or as an investigator. He bought , hook line and sinker the claims of BHT that a boycott of Aruba.
If he has evidence that Natalee is alive he should immediately bring it to the FBI or authorities.
He is a blowhard who is using the case to build up his already inflated ego.
Esteban Croes
Comment from scohen54 - 11/6/05 8:28 PM

Link (http://journals.aol.com/thefeedblog/AOLNewsTheFeed/entries/2005/11/04/daily-debate-possible-to-go-lower-of-course-its-tv/1010?numComment=all)

**********

Stephen Cohen
Strategic Message Design Group
2817 Cardiff Ave
Los Angeles CA 90034 USA
310.922.1378
scohen54@aol.com

www.iacvb.org/images/resource_center/S102_Surviving.pdf


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Vms...Good Morning...Thanks, I posted the link for Johann to come and read, on the 'Dutch' thread.

Kermit...Ribbitt again!...LOL...the gold bricks!

I am wondering if the Star could be the Grandfather of Aruban tennis? A Venezeulan, not Aruban!  Something Hose, will have to check his name...I checked on him a while back.

Does anyone know if the girls played tennis at the Holiday Inn? The Sanchez fellow from the Racquet Club is/was their tennis pro! Thanks in Advance!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
if I


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 12:11:55 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 12:36:13 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Thanks Rob...for the info...I think you are right! There were a couple of big drug busts later in 2005, one boat captain's name was Rodriguez-something, and that has always peeked my interest. Every few weeks I go back and see if something 'fits'.

I think the 'birds on the wire' were surveillence and the big picture is why we will never know what happened. Aruba knows this and that is why they taunt us! That FOS post and a presence in the region is so important. JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 01:18:58 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Thanks Rob...for the info...I think you are right! There were a couple of big drug busts later in 2005, one boat captain's name was Rodriguez-something, and that has always peeked my interest. Every few weeks I go back and see if something 'fits'.

I think the 'birds on the wire' were surveillence and the big picture is why we will never know what happened. Aruba knows this and that is why they taunt us! That FOS post and a presence in the region is so important. JMO
MUM
I wonder if the boat captain that You mentioned above by the name Rodriguez is any kin to Daury Daniel Rodriguez who is locked up in NH on drug charges? 
 HMMMM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 01:30:00 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 01:36:57 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 01:59:32 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005

MUM... I have lots of errands to run this afternoon...but I will research this later this evening and see what I can come up with....Thanks for the link... ::MonkeyWink:: That is if no other Smart Monkey beats Me to it.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on April 17, 2008, 02:30:39 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Thank you, Rob, for your statement:  "in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine".
Yesterday, in the Natalee thread, I asked if bricks of cocaine could be bricks of gold.
I don't know if you're answering my question, but in any event, I was happy to see your post.  Thanks.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 17, 2008, 03:43:05 PM
CAPS - you said that you spoke with your contacts about the 2 hour video that was made the night that Natalee died.  Do your contacts know if the video was actually distributed and/or sold to the Europeon market?  Is it possible that this video still exists somewhere?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 17, 2008, 04:06:05 PM
Klaas - here is some more information about the Rodriguez/Tejada heroin bust.  Can you please put it in the right thread?  Thanks so much.

Cops seize heroin and weapons cache

 


THE BRONX Gang squad seized eight kilos of heroin and nine load handguns from a Sedgwick Avenue apartment last week. The items were on display at the 50th Precinct. Photo by Joshua Bright
Photo Reprints



 

By Marie Villani-York


A Kingsbridge Heights couple is facing a litany of charges after police raided their Sedgwick Avenue home last week and found an eye-popping display of drugs and weapons.

The Bronx gang squad had been investigating Edwin Dela- Cruz, 31, and his girlfriend, Lucila Tejada, 36, for several weeks. On Jan. 9, at 8:40 a.m., as the couple lay sleeping, officers raided their apartment, inside 3343 Sedgwick Ave., arresting them and seizing eight kilograms of heroin, nine loaded guns and a variety of drug paraphernalia. Both were arrested without incident.

Deputy Chief Robert Boyce, commander of the Citywide Gang Unit, said Mr. DelaCruz and Ms. Tejada are not gang members but are part of a larger drug organization suspected of selling heroin in the Bronx and parts of Upper Manhattan. He described the bust as significant, explaining that the two were not working in some mom-and-pop fashion.

Eight kilograms of heroin, he said, is worth half a million dollars. Deputy Inspector Dermot Shea, commanding officer of the 50th Precinct and a former head of several Bronx narcotics squads, said that amount of heroin can fetch dealers about a million dollars on the street.

Several residents of 3343 Sedgwick Ave., a well-maintained brick apartment building overlooking the Jerome Park Reservoir, were startled by the arrests. However, one woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said neighbors began noticing some unusual traffic in the building.

"We're in shock but we knew something funny was going on," she said. "Now we're all breathing a sigh of relief."

A representative from the Sedgwick Management Corporation, the managing agent for the building, said she had heard no complaints about the couple from residents.

According to police, Mr. Delacruz and Ms. Tejada had drugs and weapons stashed all over the apartment. They found one kilogram under the couple's bed, and seven more wrapped and tucked in a large box in the living room.

Nine handguns, all loaded, were found in the bedroom - two in a dresser by the bed and six more under the bed. A Mac 11, a fully automatic machine gun that fires 1,200 rounds per minute, was also recovered. It was also loaded with several rounds of ammunition, police said.

Deputy Chief Boyce said the stash of weapons was "highquality."

Mr. Delacruz has been previously arrested on weapons, robbery and felony charges. He was taken off parole in August 2006.

Ms. Tejada has no prior arrests.

The pair, who appeared before a judge on Tuesday, is due back in court on Jan. 22.


This is part of the January 17, 2008 online edition of The Riverdale Press.
http://www.riverdalepress.com/full.php?sid=2583&current_edition=2008-01-17


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 04:09:30 PM
LOL…You guys forgot about my 50 bags of heroin=1 brick!!!


Jug, Beth and Dave have a DEA named Williams.

In both Joran’s and Paulus’ PVs there is an FBI Williams.

Carlo comes back after 10 minutes and says that Judge Williams is going to release Joran!

We can’t find a Judge Williams.

Any thoughts on just whom this Judge Williams might be….


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 05:14:05 PM
Mum, I have two guesses on Judge Williams - one, he doesn't exist and it is a code mane for another Judge Joran does not want known, or maybe he is a substitute Judge like Paulus was. If he is not a permanent Judge he could have been used to do some of the dirty work anonymously. I have never seen the name other than the excerpt from Joran's book.

that's all I got... ::MonkeyHaHa::   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 17, 2008, 07:03:53 PM
I just went here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway and below you can click on the link at the bttom of the page.

 

 a b Judge: Both suspects can be held in Alabama teenager's disappearance in Aruba. Court TV (2005-06-08). Retrieved on 2007-05-12.
^ a b c Judge orders suspects held in teen's disappearance. CNN (2005-06-09). Retrieved on 2008-03-22.
^ a b c Dutch Teen Tells 'Primetime' About Night With Natalee Holloway. ABC News (2006-02-23). Retrieved on 2007-06-05.
^ a b c d O'Neill, Ann. "Holloway case a mystery after a year of 'catch and release'", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-05-14. 
^ a b c 3 re-arrested in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teen. CNN - Associated Press (2007-11-21). Retrieved on 2008
But when you click on the link the they don't name all the Judge's it just says
 ::MonkeyEek:: JUDGE


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 07:12:07 PM
I just went here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway and below you can click on the link at the bttom of the page.

 

 a b Judge: Both suspects can be held in Alabama teenager's disappearance in Aruba. Court TV (2005-06-08). Retrieved on 2007-05-12.
^ a b c Judge orders suspects held in teen's disappearance. CNN (2005-06-09). Retrieved on 2008-03-22.
^ a b c Dutch Teen Tells 'Primetime' About Night With Natalee Holloway. ABC News (2006-02-23). Retrieved on 2007-06-05.
^ a b c d O'Neill, Ann. "Holloway case a mystery after a year of 'catch and release'", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-05-14. 
^ a b c 3 re-arrested in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teen. CNN - Associated Press (2007-11-21). Retrieved on 2008
But when you click on the link the they don't name all the Judge's it just says
 ::MonkeyEek:: JUDGE



Thanks Blonde...It was Smid...just bought the link from Natalee's Freebirds as the post is long...good reading though!

I know that Williams was DEA, I posted something that Pita had found a little while back about a case he had worked on. Not sure why Paulus and Joran said FBI??? Don't think the guy was on vacation either!

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/12/rick-smid-arubas-dirtiest-judge.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 17, 2008, 07:21:44 PM

April 10, 2008, 09:04:15 AM

Quote from: Lala'sMom
And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed. There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too. Why do I say this? Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value. So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL! Just another day at the office.


April 11, 2008, 11:55:45 PM

Quote from: finbar
Ten times removed is a tad...distant. Me thinks we can find some relations that are closer than that.

http://www.usafamilydetective.com/cousin_chart.htm

Yes, Croes. I feel like I am on the Aruban Express. Croes, Croes, Croes. Ringing like a bell in me head.

Yes, the world is filled with Smith & Jones, but we are not speaking of the world. We are speaking about Aruba. A small island. Many are related. Many. It boils down to Family or Tourist. Leaves quite a predicament. Maybe even in what one might tell another in confidence.

The gossamer of Croes weaves all through the island. Some are of the name Croes as still yet. Some have other names. Some in this thread posted. Some relations, not yet connected by some....

There are many trees on Aruba. Some branches touch other trees. Time allows some to wear the mask of deception.

Trim a branch and see who falls out. It may give you a stir.

Fin

was reading back in previous thread
and didn't remember seeing this

Fin: you could sell popsicles to penguins!!!

so, who did you find when you plugged in names
at the familydetective link?

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 17, 2008, 08:20:50 PM
I definetly think there is a connection to these Jewelery dealers and drug trafficking. I remember last year we heard about a man who was cut in half/mutilated from robbing a jewelery store I believe from Jossy. Of course the story changed and we were told it was a animal that was mutllated,I think a goat or a donkey..Anyone remember that?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
Texasmom…Thanks for the response….Hmmm…..????

Sir Sidney Ponson

5/27/2005 against Detroit.

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050527&content_id=1065147&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

6/01/2005 against Boston

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050601&content_id=1071630&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
 


Texasmom, I found this last night, it shows that Sidney did not pitch the days we are looking at.

Need to look at some Simian posts.

Is he related to the Racquet Club Ponsons?  TIA

Hi Mum,
I haven't found a connection to them yet, I've been doing a lot of reading!  He may not be connected to anything at all, but it can't hurt to find out what I can about him.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2008, 08:51:32 PM
I just went here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway and below you can click on the link at the bttom of the page.

 

 a b Judge: Both suspects can be held in Alabama teenager's disappearance in Aruba. Court TV (2005-06-08). Retrieved on 2007-05-12.
^ a b c Judge orders suspects held in teen's disappearance. CNN (2005-06-09). Retrieved on 2008-03-22.
^ a b c Dutch Teen Tells 'Primetime' About Night With Natalee Holloway. ABC News (2006-02-23). Retrieved on 2007-06-05.
^ a b c d O'Neill, Ann. "Holloway case a mystery after a year of 'catch and release'", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-05-14. 
^ a b c 3 re-arrested in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teen. CNN - Associated Press (2007-11-21). Retrieved on 2008
But when you click on the link the they don't name all the Judge's it just says
 ::MonkeyEek:: JUDGE

::MonkeyHaHa:: I've been reading there too!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 17, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005





 Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:36 am
Casanostra is standing at a window looking onto Babylon

referencing-
casanostra Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:35 am
I picked the casanostra as a name after doing much research as to their relationship to the island of Aruba and the drug trade, as well as other things that go along with it. Do some googling and find out for yourself. I think that Natalee is alive and that there are people on the island, and those that pass through the island that no one wants to mess with. There lies the predicament. You have a criminal element more powerful than the authorities and a chess game is being played. I think Joran is being protected, but he is also guilty of something. Not murder, but leading Natalee into something very sinister. I apologize if my speculation is in any way disrespectful to she or her family, but I find this very intriguing and it goes much deeper than what is implied on television.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 11:35:46 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005

MUM i found this....from Oct 2005

 http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


Over two tons of cocaine seized off coast of Aruba


Jim Kouri Jim Kouri
October 19, 2005


Suspected foul-play involving American teenager Natalee Holloway isn't the only big crime story in Aruba these days. Known as a favorite transshipment for drug traffckers, the waters surrounding Aruba were the scene of a major drug interdiction operation by US officials.

United States federal agents seized 4,488 pounds of cocaine on board the Bolivian-flagged vessel M/V Sea Atlantic at approximately 150 nautical miles off the coast of Aruba. The seizure was part of Operation Caribbean Corridor, an investigative/law enforcement initiative by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean Basin.

The Sea Atlantic, sailing under the Bolivian flag, raised the interest of law enforcement organizations operating as part of Operation Caribbean Corridor. After successful cooperation between the USCG, the international counter drug organization Joint Inter- Agency Task Force South, the Royal Netherlands Navy, and the Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, more than 65 bales of cocaine were found in a hidden compartment on board the ship.

The USCG Law Enforcement Detachment — permanently stationed onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy Ship — boarded the motor vessel, assisted by a Royal Netherlands Navy Maritime security Team. Later that morning, they found 68 bales (approximately 4,488 pounds) of a powdery substance that tested positive for cocaine during a field test.

The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela

Carlos Julio Almonte, 59, citizen of Dominican Republic

Gandaogo Minoungou, 42, citizen of Burkina Faso

Nii Klaku Okley, 39, citizen of Ghana

Ruberts Jose Gonzalez Valero, 29, citizen of Venezuela

Ronald Jose Morelis, 32, citizen of Venezuela

Julio Cesar de la Rosa, 34, citizen of Dominican Republic

Reinaldo Jose Cabello, 42, citizen of Venezuela

Alberto Javier Padilla, 36, citizen of Mexico

"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.

"US Coast Guard law enforcement detachments have a proud and successful history of intercepting contraband with the Dutch navy in the Caribbean. With the aggressive work of ICE, DEA and the FBI in Operation Caribbean Corridor, our collective resources are maximized as we work together to keep drugs off the streets." Said Captain James Tunstall, Commander, USCG, Sector San Juan.

The crew members arrested will be prosecuted in federal court in Puerto Rico.

Sources: US Coast Guard, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, US Department of Justice, American Federation of Police



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 17, 2008, 11:50:07 PM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.

Not much here, but the Kalpoes are from Suriname


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 18, 2008, 12:26:57 AM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.

Not much here, but the Kalpoes are from Suriname

Also this is for MUM:  Hope it helps some.  Anyway it is in 2001, anyway I think.  Aruba Facts - Aruba News:

La Cabana Racquet & Beach Club is transferred   to timeshare owners

Wednesday afternoon as the restyled and dramatic pool was re-introduced at La Cabana an important transfer of assets was taking place downtown at the office of Civil Law Notary Bodeker. Developers Luis Mansur & Sara Mansur transferred ownership of the real estate assets to 15.000 on-island/off-island owners, the time share members of the resort. It's wonderful for the owners, said highly pleased Board Member Roland Falcioni, seen in the picture shaking Luis Mansur's hand. Falcioni, along with other Board Members Martin Doctrow and Rina Lacle witnessed Aruba biggest transfer of assets with a tax value of over Afls 100.000.000. The transfer restores total credibility to Aruba's timeshare industry, said Hans Vink, representing the developers. Following the transaction the Interval members of La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club indirectly own individed shares in the resort real estate. Attorney Maura Brown, the President of the Co-Op Association who handled the transaction and Attorney John v/d Kuyp representing the developers are also pictured here as the legal documents were signed.
             

[courtesy of Rona Coster ]


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 18, 2008, 02:32:02 AM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005

MUM i found this....from Oct 2005

 http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


Over two tons of cocaine seized off coast of Aruba


Jim Kouri Jim Kouri
October 19, 2005


Suspected foul-play involving American teenager Natalee Holloway isn't the only big crime story in Aruba these days. Known as a favorite transshipment for drug traffckers, the waters surrounding Aruba were the scene of a major drug interdiction operation by US officials.

United States federal agents seized 4,488 pounds of cocaine on board the Bolivian-flagged vessel M/V Sea Atlantic at approximately 150 nautical miles off the coast of Aruba. The seizure was part of Operation Caribbean Corridor, an investigative/law enforcement initiative by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean Basin.

The Sea Atlantic, sailing under the Bolivian flag, raised the interest of law enforcement organizations operating as part of Operation Caribbean Corridor. After successful cooperation between the USCG, the international counter drug organization Joint Inter- Agency Task Force South, the Royal Netherlands Navy, and the Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, more than 65 bales of cocaine were found in a hidden compartment on board the ship.

The USCG Law Enforcement Detachment — permanently stationed onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy Ship — boarded the motor vessel, assisted by a Royal Netherlands Navy Maritime security Team. Later that morning, they found 68 bales (approximately 4,488 pounds) of a powdery substance that tested positive for cocaine during a field test.

The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela

Carlos Julio Almonte, 59, citizen of Dominican Republic

Gandaogo Minoungou, 42, citizen of Burkina Faso

Nii Klaku Okley, 39, citizen of Ghana

Ruberts Jose Gonzalez Valero, 29, citizen of Venezuela

Ronald Jose Morelis, 32, citizen of Venezuela

Julio Cesar de la Rosa, 34, citizen of Dominican Republic

Reinaldo Jose Cabello, 42, citizen of Venezuela

Alberto Javier Padilla, 36, citizen of Mexico

"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.

"US Coast Guard law enforcement detachments have a proud and successful history of intercepting contraband with the Dutch navy in the Caribbean. With the aggressive work of ICE, DEA and the FBI in Operation Caribbean Corridor, our collective resources are maximized as we work together to keep drugs off the streets." Said Captain James Tunstall, Commander, USCG, Sector San Juan.

The crew members arrested will be prosecuted in federal court in Puerto Rico.

Sources: US Coast Guard, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, US Department of Justice, American Federation of Police



 Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:13 am
How can one hunt for lions with fishing gear?

Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 1:49 am
Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity (keenness of hearing, sight, intellect).

 Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 18, 2008, 06:49:21 AM
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 18, 2008, 07:20:03 AM


Luiz Ramirez, the Kalpoe stepfather, does not appear in the 2004/2005 Chamber records as a businessman? A little odd he acquired his Internet Café at the time the Kalpoes were rearrested, August 29th.2005!

COLUMBO and Hotping…Thanks for the info, that was the one. Trying to figure how any of this could relate to Joran’s unexpected release. Early reports had him as a drug dealer and then he was on a US watch list. If he ratted, the van der Sloots probably wouldn’t be around now. All I can think is that the Sloots had the ‘goods’ on some-one or those darn pesky contracts!

Jackb…Thanks for the info on La cabana.

Silverfox…a little lost on your clue, googled, but didn’t help?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 18, 2008, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
In August 2005 some how Deepak's stepfather Luis Antonio Ramirez became the owner of the Cyberzone Internet Cafe that Deepak worked in.  We were told by Arubans (yeah right) that no money exchanged hands.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=921.820

Yesterday, Bonsai in an email mentioned it appeared the Cyberzone Cafe was no longer there.  I check the Aruba Chamber and sure enough, it appears the business no longer exists as of March 2007:




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 18, 2008, 10:12:35 AM
I think that we all have learned not to trust anything based on surface appearances if it involves Natalee Holloway and Aruba.  Having said that, something is driving me crazy. In January, Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada and Lucilla Tejada were both areested, on the same day, in the Bronx and New Jersey, each with 8 kilos of heroin.  In February, the name Daury Rodriguez is revealed on Joran's video as the person who is responsible for disposing of Natalee's body.  Daury has never been a key figure in this investigation and he is suddenly being held responsible for the final act.  Daury denies all involvement, claims he was in Rotterdam, and threatens to sue Joran. In March, Daury arrives in New Jersey to be part of a big poker tournament and he is very quietly arrested for carrying 8 kilos of heroin.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?  Why is the name Daury Rodriguez suddenly being thrown about by Joran?  Why would a drug carrier/dealer with half a brain carry 8 kilos of heroin into a country, knowng that your mother (aunt?) and sister (cousin?) had just been arrested with 8 kilos of heroin. I live near this area of NJ and I can't find one article about the arrest of Daury Daniel Rodriguez.  Why is there an NJ coverup?  Hudson County is so corrupt, they don't even need coverups.  I am still finding information on Ramona and Lucilla, but absolutley nothing on Daury's arrest.  We did find something saying that he is in Hudson County jail, but there is no other information.  I'm starting to doubt that Daury has any connection at all to Joran, and I am wondering if Daury is someone with whom Patrick has a personal score to settle, completely apart from Joran.  Patrick is a former drug dealer.  The Rodriguez family could be part of the reason why Patrick landed in jail and also why he has had his cheek cut.  I know a few others are also following these Rodriguez names and I think there's something here.  I am wondering a big part of the video was simply Patirck's vindetta.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 18, 2008, 12:15:27 PM
Silverfox…a little lost on your clue, googled, but didn’t help?

Try "Diamond Cartel" -- educational at best...  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2008, 08:03:21 PM
I think that we all have learned not to trust anything based on surface appearances if it involves Natalee Holloway and Aruba.  Having said that, something is driving me crazy. In January, Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada and Lucilla Tejada were both areested, on the same day, in the Bronx and New Jersey, each with 8 kilos of heroin.  In February, the name Daury Rodriguez is revealed on Joran's video as the person who is responsible for disposing of Natalee's body.  Daury has never been a key figure in this investigation and he is suddenly being held responsible for the final act.  Daury denies all involvement, claims he was in Rotterdam, and threatens to sue Joran. In March, Daury arrives in New Jersey to be part of a big poker tournament and he is very quietly arrested for carrying 8 kilos of heroin.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?  Why is the name Daury Rodriguez suddenly being thrown about by Joran?  Why would a drug carrier/dealer with half a brain carry 8 kilos of heroin into a country, knowng that your mother (aunt?) and sister (cousin?) had just been arrested with 8 kilos of heroin. I live near this area of NJ and I can't find one article about the arrest of Daury Daniel Rodriguez.  Why is there an NJ coverup?  Hudson County is so corrupt, they don't even need coverups.  I am still finding information on Ramona and Lucilla, but absolutley nothing on Daury's arrest.  We did find something saying that he is in Hudson County jail, but there is no other information.  I'm starting to doubt that Daury has any connection at all to Joran, and I am wondering if Daury is someone with whom Patrick has a personal score to settle, completely apart from Joran.  Patrick is a former drug dealer.  The Rodriguez family could be part of the reason why Patrick landed in jail and also why he has had his cheek cut.  I know a few others are also following these Rodriguez names and I think there's something here.  I am wondering a big part of the video was simply Patirck's vindetta.

I thought this too SS and ... even posted it.  Three members of Daury's family were detained in January.  If he was also involved ... why would he travel to the US in March for a poker tournament.

Does not make sense.

Janet


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 18, 2008, 08:23:36 PM
I think that we all have learned not to trust anything based on surface appearances if it involves Natalee Holloway and Aruba.  Having said that, something is driving me crazy. In January, Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada and Lucilla Tejada were both areested, on the same day, in the Bronx and New Jersey, each with 8 kilos of heroin.  In February, the name Daury Rodriguez is revealed on Joran's video as the person who is responsible for disposing of Natalee's body.  Daury has never been a key figure in this investigation and he is suddenly being held responsible for the final act.  Daury denies all involvement, claims he was in Rotterdam, and threatens to sue Joran. In March, Daury arrives in New Jersey to be part of a big poker tournament and he is very quietly arrested for carrying 8 kilos of heroin.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?  Why is the name Daury Rodriguez suddenly being thrown about by Joran?  Why would a drug carrier/dealer with half a brain carry 8 kilos of heroin into a country, knowng that your mother (aunt?) and sister (cousin?) had just been arrested with 8 kilos of heroin. I live near this area of NJ and I can't find one article about the arrest of Daury Daniel Rodriguez.  Why is there an NJ coverup?  Hudson County is so corrupt, they don't even need coverups.  I am still finding information on Ramona and Lucilla, but absolutley nothing on Daury's arrest.  We did find something saying that he is in Hudson County jail, but there is no other information.  I'm starting to doubt that Daury has any connection at all to Joran, and I am wondering if Daury is someone with whom Patrick has a personal score to settle, completely apart from Joran.  Patrick is a former drug dealer.  The Rodriguez family could be part of the reason why Patrick landed in jail and also why he has had his cheek cut.  I know a few others are also following these Rodriguez names and I think there's something here.  I am wondering a big part of the video was simply Patirck's vindetta.

I thought this too SS and ... even posted it.  Three members of Daury's family were detained in January.  If he was also involved ... why would he travel to the US in March for a poker tournament.

Does not make sense.

Janet


Once again, CAPS told us that Daury Daniel Rodriguez traveled to NJ to play poker and was arrested.  He also told us about Ramona being arrested and then we found Lucilla in the Bronx.  We have also found Daniel Rodriguez in Chicago poker tournaments.  I have no doubt that Daury Daniel came to New Jersey to play poker, especially if that is a big source of income for him.  I am wondering, though, if Daury Daniel, Lucilla, and Ramona were somehow set up.  The repeated 8 kilos of herion seems a little too coincidental to me.  Read back in this thread and there are newspaper articles and photographs of some of the confiscated loot.  There is also a picture of Ramona from the Hudson County jail.  For some reason, someone has suddenly made Daury's life very difficult with bad press coverage, relatives arrested, and himself arrested.  8 kilos is a Class A Felony and all of them will be in jail for a very long time.  I would be very surprised if Daury had anything at all to do with Natalee Holloway.  Over the past month or so, I have become very confident in the information that CAPS has given us.  I'm in love, and he's my hero!!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 01:25:24 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.




CAPS,



Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A

Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.



Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2008, 01:59:57 AM
This may be old news, but this is a blog I found that must be a school assignment from what I've read.
http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html (http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html)

Friday, September 08, 2006

Introduction:


Hi, my name is Hiram Vrolijk, I'm from Aruba and this is my first blog. I never thought that I'll ever be doing one of these, but I guess it's true; never say never. I'm thinking the theme of my blog will be somewhat like a circus. There will be something to interest everyone, something everyone can relate to and most importantly, something that can manage the readers of this blog to understand my thoughts, my feelings, and the points that I'm trying to get accross.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now, some details and information about me. I was born on June 12, 1987. Lived my whole life in Aruba. For any of you guys who don't know where Aruba is, it's an island in the Caribbean, off the coast of Venezuela.

Some interests of mine include movies, music, fashion, nightlife, food, and travel. Basically, the media industry. Hobbies of mine also include some of the same things. I like to sit back and watch movies, hang out. I enjoy listening to most kinds of music, I also like to sing. I have done a couple of musical productions which were successful, but I never really kept on going with it, possibly because some other obstacle got in the way. I think I'm going to try it again.

I have also been in the fashion industry for some time now, fashion has been a part of me since I was very young. My mom is a designer and has greatly influenced me. She has her own business, and is doing quite well. I have modeled for many people and companies down in Aruba, and have been very grateful for all the opportunities. I was recently in a modeling competition, "Aruba Model Search," where out of hundreds of teens who participated, I was down to the top 20 at the main event. As this was also a reality show, every week contestants got kicked off. I worked really hard and was also told by countless people that I was a shoe-in for one of the top 5 spots, but unfortunately that was not the case. There has been tons of rumors, controversy, and scandals surrounding the event and its selections, but I choose not to get sucked in by most of them, although I believe most of them to be true. In December of last year, I was also awarded the first ever Teen Fashionista of the Year award by Focus -- a renowned magazine in Aruba.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am very grateful for all that I have accomplished so far.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My passion in life is to be an influential person in the entertainment industry, whether that be a succesful model or a successful performer. I just hope that my goals in life are reached.

Posted by Hiram Vrolijk at 11:27 AM 




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 02:39:29 AM
Hi monkeys

I was bussy in deep water, diving and found this.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/210501781--SweetiesEscorts--Profile-html

Anyone have any info on this place.

it is operated in the hotel area only.

now it concentrate on the young scene.

Need to help check info.

For those of the Patick van Eem friend, I left a post in the other forum.

the Aruba maze is full of firewalls and walking in it has hidden dangers.....later


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 19, 2008, 02:44:46 AM
Thanks Caps! Glad to see You here.....Take Care of Yourself!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 05:05:23 AM
texasmom

Interesting Hiram "school" blog.  His English is pretty good.  I don't remember if he went to ISA. I was surprised he posted about a reality show having "hot" girls.....must have been all those modeling photos...lol


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 19, 2008, 07:51:11 AM
Hi monkeys

I was bussy in deep water, diving and found this.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/210501781--SweetiesEscorts--Profile-html

Anyone have any info on this place.

it is operated in the hotel area only.

now it concentrate on the young scene.

Need to help check info.

For those of the Patick van Eem friend, I left a post in the other forum.

the Aruba maze is full of firewalls and walking in it has hidden dangers.....later


http://www.youtube.com/arubasweeties


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 19, 2008, 07:58:25 AM
I found this in Google:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2h8bedz.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:00:41 AM

Here is the full discussion on what I replied to on the NAH thread this morning,and my response. These posts, in my humble opinion still warrant verification or explanation.

The discussion starts here in the last Shango thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1760


« Reply #1764 on: April 10, 2008, 02:41:04 AM » Caps   
 Hi monkeys,My research is going well,
Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C
The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C
Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F
Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time. Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.The strike is now in full swing.

« Reply #1779 on: April 10, 2008, 07:54:06 AM » vms   

The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...


« Reply #1793 on: April 10, 2008, 03:43:05 PM » Caps

VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



« Reply #1794 on: April 10, 2008, 03:49:05 PM » vms
Luis Ramirez is their step-father. The address is listed in the chamber records and also, IIRC, there is a picture of their home where the address (number) is visible.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34963

I don't know about the Bouman person though, Caps.

« Reply #1819 on: April 11, 2008, 06:14:11 AM » MumInOhio

Caps...Can you please tell me where these districts are? Are they in Suriname?Should we be looking at De Veer and the Marriott - Renaissance?  TIA





Tamikosmom…I posted the link and said there was some confusion. On further checking I did not find any clarification on Caps’ post. I apologize for not posting this last night, but do not post regularly at nighr as I am an early riser and my brain and fingers are not in synch at night! Here are the rest of the posts on this subject. On further reading of the thread, Caps did not clarify or elaborate on this at all.

This is precisely the reason for my post in the ‘Shango’ thread earlier in the week, for which I have probably been likened to Hitler’s cousin! I have not been asking any more from Caps, re explanation and verification of his posts, than would have been asked of any other poster on this forum!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
In August 2005 some how Deepak's stepfather Luis Antonio Ramirez became the owner of the Cyberzone Internet Cafe that Deepak worked in.  We were told by Arubans (yeah right) that no money exchanged hands.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=921.820

Yesterday, Bonsai in an email mentioned it appeared the Cyberzone Cafe was no longer there.  I check the Aruba Chamber and sure enough, it appears the business no longer exists as of March 2007:





Hi Blonde.... this leads back to Angelina Reppas and Giovanni Ponson, discussion in the last thread. Their new business was registered on that date and is to do with gaming supplies.
 The little I have found on Giovanni, he could be related to the Racquet Club Ponsons. His dob makes him a possible brother and it appears the Raquet Club's father, I think, Eric Sr, second name is also not an English sounding name. I have not got any further than that as when you search Ponson nearly all the hits come up on Sir Sidney!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:25:26 AM
Silverfox…a little lost on your clue, googled, but didn’t help?

Try "Diamond Cartel" -- educational at best...  ::MonkeyRoll::


Silverfox......was this the 'C' and de Vries clue?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.




CAPS,



Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A

Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.



Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.






Ribbitt Kermit...7A Catiri....Freddy's apartment, right?

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 3 APRIL 2003 under serial number 30214.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
DVD LAND & CD 
 
Business address CATIRI 7-A, NOORD   
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  DVD LAND & CD 
Date of commencement  1 JUNE 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS;  
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  3 APRIL 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 08:31:17 AM
In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

I never took this as a "modeling" trip.  I thought it was a school trip.  I remember the pictures posted with signs on the display tables.  I thought it was about the United Nations, not modeling.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 08:34:02 AM
Two Freddys??  An old one and a young one??  Both into filming??  It's a small world.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:35:15 AM
I found this in Google:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2h8bedz.jpg)

Good Morning Pita and Buckeye......Great find once again Pita ...Thanks...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:38:20 AM
Two Freddys??  An old one and a young one??  Both into filming??  It's a small world.

Buckeye...That is not all of it...LOL...will see if I can find the posts and post the link...also will need to find Kermit's map of 7A Catiri!...LOL

I thought it was a UN trip as well?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:26:37 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 09:36:14 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.




CAPS,



Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A

Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.



Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.






Ribbitt Kermit...7A Catiri....Freddy's apartment, right?

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 3 APRIL 2003 under serial number 30214.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
DVD LAND & CD 
 
Business address CATIRI 7-A, NOORD   
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  DVD LAND & CD 
Date of commencement  1 JUNE 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS;  
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  3 APRIL 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.




TWO FREDDYS???  OMG   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Great detective work MUM. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 09:39:03 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.




Lala's....When I checked the registry I found I think 13 on Catiri up to the Cs alone. I don't know how many are actual addresses.

Could phoney businesses be a way to launder money?

When I checked on the Frederick Arends, I found a myspace with a family guy with 2 little kids and I don't think he was born in 1959 either. Computer guy and found the place he did his courses.

Not sure what it all means, ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:42:37 AM
SS
There are several of everything on Aruba...thus the concept of a doppleganger. LOL

Two Steves, two Freddys, two Satish, two Lorenzo, two Guidos, seems to me there is only one Joran though.

Could I ask a few questions of you?  Since you are new to posting here (in a sense) who do you think is involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?  Who do you think actually killed her?  How do the Kalpoes fit in here in your opinion?  I don't think I have ever seen your thoughts on this and would really like some feedback. Do you think it is Paulus in the casino video? I am interested in your thoughts and feedback on this and more if you don't mind. TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 09:43:03 AM

Buckeye…you can probably start at the second link, the discussion continued through page 43, this link and I think this was the  last on the discussion at that time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.840

 
« Reply #842 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM »Mum
Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA

Caps
YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.

   
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.760

             
Please take a good look at the map!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1560

« Reply #1562 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM » K ermit


Good Morning SS...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:44:13 AM
Mum
With all the corruption I would think just about every business launders money down there.  Seems that is true of not just the large ones, but I see indications of even the small ones laundering something too...even if it is human flesh.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:50:47 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 09:55:55 AM
Mum
With all the corruption I would think just about every business launders money down there.  Seems that is true of not just the large ones, but I see indications of even the small ones laundering something too...even if it is human flesh.

I think this is why I can't decide which path to follow in deciphering Shango!  Too many things that can fit...Loesge, the mob and the casinos...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:01:10 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.

I agree...It seems that Steve has all the attention of late as the 5th. and before that GVC. Of course I keep throwing Freddy's name in there, but Lorenzo barely gets a mention of late! Not sure why!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.

I agree...It seems that Steve has all the attention of late as the 5th. and before that GVC. Of course I keep throwing Freddy's name in there, but Lorenzo barely gets a mention of late! Not sure why!

Because it doesn't fit the latest mindset on this forum. Our longtime posters with all the info about these people have disappeared and I am certain that makes many happy.  What happened to Paulus being the 5th too?  I thought the 5th and dirtyhand were equated as being the same person.  As I have said before and will continue to say until I am banned from here...context is everything!  What was happening at the time?  What did we know was taking place as opposed to what we want to fit?  Oh well, I will just hang out here on this limb and wait for someone to whack it off.   It's coming...trust me. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:24:18 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.




Lala's......just did a quick check...and guess what I found...

The 2004 link I get the Chamber info from is there, BUT the 2005, 2006, 2007 ARE NOT!!!!

I WONDER WHY???? WHY DID THEY LEAVE THAT PAGE, BUT ALL THE OTHERS ARE PAGE NOT FOUND!!!!!!

This was why I tried to find the source of the 2004 tennis article...I don't trust Aruba!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 19, 2008, 10:25:55 AM

Buckeye…you can probably start at the second link, the discussion continued through page 43, this link and I think this was the  last on the discussion at that time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.840

 
« Reply #842 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM »Mum
Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA

Caps
YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.

   
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.760

             
Please take a good look at the map!


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/CATIRISTREET.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1560

« Reply #1562 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM » K ermit


Good Morning SS...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.




Lala's......just did a quick check...and guess what I found...

The 2004 link I get the Chamber info from is there, BUT the 2005, 2006, 2007 ARE NOT!!!!

I WONDER WHY???? WHY DID THEY LEAVE THAT PAGE, BUT ALL THE OTHERS ARE PAGE NOT FOUND!!!!!!

This was why I tried to find the source of the 2004 tennis article...I don't trust Aruba!


Probably needed to add that there are other links out there, but not in the same format, listing the addresses...again this makes my one brain cell very suspicious!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:31:34 AM

Buckeye…you can probably start at the second link, the discussion continued through page 43, this link and I think this was the  last on the discussion at that time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.840

 
« Reply #842 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM »Mum
Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA

Caps
YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.

   
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.760

             
Please take a good look at the map!


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/CATIRISTREET.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1560

« Reply #1562 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM » K ermit


Good Morning SS...



Thank You Blonde...One day I will learn to do that! seems I am always too busy chasing posts and links...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 10:38:21 AM
SS
There are several of everything on Aruba...thus the concept of a doppleganger. LOL

Two Steves, two Freddys, two Satish, two Lorenzo, two Guidos, seems to me there is only one Joran though.

Could I ask a few questions of you?  Since you are new to posting here (in a sense) who do you think is involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?  Who do you think actually killed her?  How do the Kalpoes fit in here in your opinion?  I don't think I have ever seen your thoughts on this and would really like some feedback. Do you think it is Paulus in the casino video? I am interested in your thoughts and feedback on this and more if you don't mind. TIA


Hi Mom,

     Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


     I don't really have a conclusive theory about what happened, yet.  I have some definite ideas and I still have some big holes in the scenario that aren't filled.  I do not believe that Joran and the two Kalpoes acted alone.  I do believe that there was a gang rap/video tape that went bad.  The event that evening was planned, in advanced, by the perps - probably after meeting Natalee and her friends at the casino earlier in the day.  Anita was out of town and this was their party night.  I believe that this has happened to other tourists with this group.  I feel that Paulus is up to his eye balls in this.  I think that it is him in the casino tape, I think that he was very likely a part of the gang rape, and I think that he probably was instrumental in orchestrating the disposal.  I think that Steve Croes and Guido Wever were major players in the event.  I don't think that Steve is a friend of Joran's, but they are connected through the drug and video scene.  I think that Lorenzo was involved in the disposal and probably supplied the drugs.  I think that Lorenzo, Steve, and Paulus disposed of Natalee.  I'm not certain about the Kalpoe involvement.  I think that they might have been used by Joran because they had the car to bring her from C&Cs to the final destination.  From that point, I'm not certain, especially of Satish, though Deepak was most likely a participant.  I think that they received instructions and probably some rewards the following day in order to supply specific information to ALE.  Koen and Freddy (which one???) were definitely involved as participants.  I also think that other adult friends of Paulus were part of the scene and I am certain that video taping occurred.  I have not reached a conclusion as to whether Natalee died at a party location or later at the Sloot home.  I don't think that anything happened at the beach.  I think that either Koen or Lorenzo had contact with Natalee earlier in the week.  Probably Lorenzo.  I lean more toward land/pond than ocean disposal of the body.  I think that there are many people involved in this crime and there are many people and families who are being protected.  I believe that the coverup was started because of the major embarrassment that would have resulted to some very important people on the island.  Paulus is not the most important person on the list.  This coverup is not for the sake of Paulus alone.  I do adhere to a lot of what is in the Shango messages.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 19, 2008, 10:39:29 AM
In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

I never took this as a "modeling" trip.  I thought it was a school trip.  I remember the pictures posted with signs on the display tables.  I thought it was about the United Nations, not modeling.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Exactly, Buckeye.


Model United Nations

This past November 12-17, six students from ISA (Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez, Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk) attended the South American Model United Nations—SAMUN—in Caracas, Venezuela. The 15th annual SAMUN was a four day simulation/exercise of the United Nations, for international secondary students. ISA represented the country of Norway with the purpose of seeking, through discussion, negotiation and debate, solutions to the various issues that were presented in the conference: human rights, disarmament, and environmental and economic concerns. Delegates from nearly twenty schools came together with the single purpose of seeking solutions and arriving at an understanding of actual conflicts between nations ultimately developing real international cooperation.

On the first day of SAMUN, the students were involved with the Opening Ceremony with local ambassadors followed by opening statements delivered by chosen leaders from each country (ours was delivered by Larissa Bermudez). Over the first two days at the Colegio Internacional de Caracas (CIC), ISA students were involved in roundtable and small group discussions with other international students developing resolutions to the key issues. These resolutions were debated and either passed or rejected by the 300 students present at the conference during the final two days held at the JW Marriott Hotel in Caracas.

Our students had a wonderful experience and we look forward to continued participation with CIC in their future MUN events!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 10:45:42 AM
I forgot GVC.  I'm not sure about him as a participant the night Natalee died, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was Natalee's wild and crazy guy earlier in the week.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:46:48 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:55:58 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:58:52 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…


I thought Caps said that Freddy was using an alias or something like that.  I really must go find that quote...I get it wrong every time. Maybe that is what he meant when he said Freddy didn't exist.  Maybe he meant the Freddy in the PV's was not the correct one.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 11:00:23 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…




You're right Mum, it was the tail twister.  Is he the one who owns the video business?  I thought that CAPS was taking us toward Julia as the owner of the video business.  ::MonkeyConfused::


When I read Shango, I am seeing a very sick and twisted group of people that are engaged in horrific acts.  I'm not convinced that everyone in the larger group who we have identified was a participant on that specific night.  I do believe that Natalee's perps are probably part of a larger group that engages in these gambling/video parties with young girls and tourists.  I think that this is what Shango might have been trying to tell us.  I think that a major piece of the coverup is probably to protect the larger group from being exposed, in the event that some of them are exposed for what happened that night to Natalee.  If Natalee's perps start to sing, the members of the larger group will also fall.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:04:39 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.

Lala’s … Both Shango and Simian distance Joran from any guilt and only portray him as a scapegoat.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:07:29 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…


I thought Caps said that Freddy was using an alias or something like that.  I really must go find that quote...I get it wrong every time. Maybe that is what he meant when he said Freddy didn't exist.  Maybe he meant the Freddy in the PV's was not the correct one.


LOL...Posted the link to that discussion on the last page...covers 4 or 5 pages...I am still laughing over those posts.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…




You're right Mum, it was the tail twister.  Is he the one who owns the video business?  I thought that CAPS was taking us toward Julia as the owner of the video business.  ::MonkeyConfused::


When I read Shango, I am seeing a very sick and twisted group of people that are engaged in horrific acts.  I'm not convinced that everyone in the larger group who we have identified was a participant on that specific night.  I do believe that Natalee's perps are probably part of a larger group that engages in these gambling/video parties with young girls and tourists.  I think that this is what Shango might have been trying to tell us.  I think that a major piece of the coverup is probably to protect the larger group from being exposed, in the event that some of them are exposed for what happened that night to Natalee.  If Natalee's perps start to sing, the members of the larger group will also fall.

SS... .. The guy that owns the DVD Land is the Frederick J. Arends, that is at 7A Catiri, which also has been posted as the address of Freddy's Zedan apartment. Take a good look at the map that Blonde posted ...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 11:27:48 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.

Lala’s … Both Shango and Simian distance Joran from any guilt and only portray him as a scapegoat.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are correct.  We must not forget that either...Shango only makes him a scapegoat and not the person responsible...just the person that "ran bleating".  I have seen posts that indicate this same thing on various other threads from people in Aruba.  Simian says it is the 5th suspect that "waltzed" away.  Then there is Merian...who implicates the person with the hand on the shoulder to also be involved and who is that?  Your favorite person....Freddy Zedan...whatever his real name is. LOL 

Shango blames the "elder"...dirtyhand...anyone but Joran...I have to keep that in mind.  Also, that could explain why the FP posters raised so many questions when he/she was posting.  Even the Aruban ones had their doubts...but then the massive cover up began and so many of those same people became mute on the subject.  I personally think it is a combination of things, but regardless...Joran is not the innocent that just had a girl die on him and he panicked without knowing why it all happened and what led up to her death.

Other cryptic riddlers  provided different versions although I think some of them knew all along what was what and who was responsible


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 11:29:57 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 11:31:27 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


LaLa, in your search for the 5th Suspect:



In a recent press conference the authorities said that they are aware of some rumors that is going on since yesterday night, but they are not confirming them neighter denying them and they are at the point that this case will be resolve soon. And that all the five suspects are deteintI think we will have soon news in the next hours. Posted by: glenda | Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:46 AM


By June 11, 2005 SUSPECTS DETAINED ARE:

June 5, 2005 - Mickey John -  held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.


               Abraham Jones - held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.




June 9, 2005 - Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping








June 13, 2005 - Mickey John released and says Deepak told him they dropped Joran and Natalee at Marriott beach

June 14, 2005 - Abraham Jones released.

June 16, 2005 - Steve Croes goes to police station and is questioned
              - Lorenzo van Rijn questioned by polis
              - Maxiot Arendsz questioned by polis

June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes arrested


une 18, 2005 - Rene van Heyningen murdered
              - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police
              - Sergio Gomez reported missing
June 18, 2005 - Judge Bob Witt ruled Paulus van der Sloot can not visit Joran in jail, but Anita can.



June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police


June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police

June 20, 2005 - Kalpoe's transferred from jail to KIA

June 21, 2005 - Joran transferred from jail to Kia

              - Beth and Greta go to van der Sloots home and have a 90 minute talk

June 23, 2005 - Paulus arrested

June 26, 2006 - Court hearing (Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes and Steve Croes)
              - Paulus released

June 27, 2005 - Steve Croes released

June 28, 2005 - Steve croes meets with his boss and is fired from Tattoo job.

June 29, 2005 - Karin Janssen releases Marianine Croes as spokesperson.
                Jan van der Straaten is moving back to Holland after July 15th


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:41:25 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.




Good Morning Kermit...Good thought...Paulus' previous job with the contracts has been a sore point with me.

Been searching for info on the Airport ones from 1999 on, but not with much luck. Forward Operating Locations to be exact! Money allocated and appears Aruba is behind! New agreement due in 2010!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 11:45:10 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.



Don't be disheartened.  When I look at the top of each page and see the names of regulars at SM there are always guests reading the page, and many times there are many guests.  I believe that this forum is read by a lot of people.  This list probably includes the perps, ALE, and FBI.  I have to believe that things we research and discover on this thread become part of investigation files.  If nothing else, I think that those actively involved with the investigation read what we have found.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 19, 2008, 01:14:22 PM
Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.


I think this is the house we went to to have dinner when we went on the Kukukunooku... you know the party bus.

If this is the right house, it has a room that is enclosed and we were told the Pope stayed in that room when he was on Aruba. It is closed off with glass from floor to ceiling.

I'm pretty sure this is the same house.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 01:18:51 PM
Kermit….Glenda’s post of June 11th. 2005 reminded me of this…We are back to the question of whether to include the security guards or not, and what about Guido…did Simian know that he would later be implicated? Still wondering why a witness would need permission to go to the Netherlands, as recent events involving Joran show he could have been returned without much trouble!


« Reply #3322 on: March 11, 2008, 02:44:31 PM »


the link is no longer available.

www.nbc4i.com/news/4593143/detail.html

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

Late Friday, one of three young men who took Holloway to the beach during her class trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said.

The three men arrested by Aruban police early Thursday morning had been designated "persons of interest" in the case and were detained soon after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Police officials questioned the trio, and then released them back to their families.

And more…..

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

And then I posted:
OK....I just read that the arrest I posted above was NOT related to Natalee!

Next I posted:
Same arrest....now it didn't happen!

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba:


Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Halloway.

Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.

However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 02:34:28 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


From the timing here, and going with that line of thinking, it appears that Deepak would be number 5, I think????

Not sure what the different numbers mean and why only Deepak's says 'first statement as a suspect'!

Both the Kalpoes arrest docs are at 5.50 and Joran's at 5.45.

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00
Pages. 15
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Luigi Croes
Description: transcript of interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00 pin
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem & Shaniro Kelly
Responsive to Requests 28, 41, and 47

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
Well, Mum you really put a kink in that one...LOL.  Thanks.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 04:10:12 PM
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (the fifth suspect)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

CNN:
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


[question: over the weekend who was Simian blogging about-who was being questioned at that time? the fifth suspect????]



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 04:13:19 PM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


LaLa, in your search for the 5th Suspect:



In a recent press conference the authorities said that they are aware of some rumors that is going on since yesterday night, but they are not confirming them neighter denying them and they are at the point that this case will be resolve soon. And that all the five suspects are deteintI think we will have soon news in the next hours. Posted by: glenda | Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:46 AM


By June 11, 2005 SUSPECTS DETAINED ARE:

June 5, 2005 - Mickey John -  held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.


               Abraham Jones - held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.




June 9, 2005 - Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping








June 13, 2005 - Mickey John released and says Deepak told him they dropped Joran and Natalee at Marriott beach

June 14, 2005 - Abraham Jones released.

June 16, 2005 - Steve Croes goes to police station and is questioned
              - Lorenzo van Rijn questioned by polis
              - Maxiot Arendsz questioned by polis


June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes arrested


une 18, 2005 - Rene van Heyningen murdered
              - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police
              - Sergio Gomez reported missing
June 18, 2005 - Judge Bob Witt ruled Paulus van der Sloot can not visit Joran in jail, but Anita can.



June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police


June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police

June 20, 2005 - Kalpoe's transferred from jail to KIA

June 21, 2005 - Joran transferred from jail to Kia

              - Beth and Greta go to van der Sloots home and have a 90 minute talk

June 23, 2005 - Paulus arrested

June 26, 2006 - Court hearing (Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes and Steve Croes)
              - Paulus released

June 27, 2005 - Steve Croes released

June 28, 2005 - Steve croes meets with his boss and is fired from Tattoo job.

June 29, 2005 - Karin Janssen releases Marianine Croes as spokesperson.
                Jan van der Straaten is moving back to Holland after July 15th




Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

CapsLockWizard

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 05:06:02 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.




Lala's:

Who needs the alibi?

Also, I think Simian is attaching motivations, not me. I think he does it to hide the real motivations-which are bad for wampum.....and Simian himself said that he makes his living on the island.

NH voluntarily left-with Joran.......

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking

magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA   (a legal checkmate???)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:29:43 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



The casino video demonstrates Natalee's body language when Paulus tries to engage her in a conversation.
Natalee clearly pulls back - away from him.

LALA MORE FOOD TO CONSIDER:


"of the five people now in custody"
Posted by: Harry | June 24, 2005 02:52 PM

By June 24, 2005 - the FIVE IN CUSTODY WERE:
Mickey Johns
Abraham Jones
Joran
Deepak
Satish


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:32:04 PM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.




Good Morning Kermit...Good thought...Paulus' previous job with the contracts has been a sore point with me.

Been searching for info on the Airport ones from 1999 on, but not with much luck. Forward Operating Locations to be exact! Money allocated and appears Aruba is behind! New agreement due in 2010!

Something else to throw into the mix for you.
Remember Dan at RWV interviewed a friend of van der sloots and he mentions that Paulus travels on business a lot.

A judge-in-training would not travel on business a lot would he?

Seems suspicious to me.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.

No - not according to kermit

I am only putting the information out.

I could change that order:

Abraham Jones
Mickey Johns
Satish
Deepak
Joran

see -

I just posted another regarding the same that the 5 suspects still remain the same by another date.

Interesting eh.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:37:14 PM
Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.


I think this is the house we went to to have dinner when we went on the Kukukunooku... you know the party bus.

If this is the right house, it has a room that is enclosed and we were told the Pope stayed in that room when he was on Aruba. It is closed off with glass from floor to ceiling.

I'm pretty sure this is the same house.


Yes, you take one of those party buses to the former Chief of Protocol's house.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


From the timing here, and going with that line of thinking, it appears that Deepak would be number 5, I think????

Not sure what the different numbers mean and why only Deepak's says 'first statement as a suspect'!

Both the Kalpoes arrest docs are at 5.50 and Joran's at 5.45.

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00
Pages. 15
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Luigi Croes
Description: transcript of interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00 pin
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem & Shaniro Kelly
Responsive to Requests 28, 41, and 47

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25


Excellent Mum.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (the fifth suspect)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

CNN:
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


[question: over the weekend who was Simian blogging about-who was being questioned at that time? the fifth suspect????]



I am going to go out on a limb here and just say this could possibly have been part of the whole maze of cover-up
to confuse and mis-lead the internet people including SM where this guy posted the information. Keeping in mind that not only did Joran read the websites, he contacted Dan at RWV and I know for a fact that Deepak was reading the SM boards and also Joran was reading bfn, he is still reading boards Guten Tag Herr Joran!

BUT most importantly, the LE were reading/watching these boards and also there were plants on the boards as you all can read back and see the devious lies posted by Scubajap and Glenda way back in the beginning.

So don't just trust EVERYTHING Shango or Simian said. It was part of the LE - crooked cops!







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 05:54:24 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.

No - not according to kermit

I am only putting the information out.

I could change that order:

Abraham Jones
Mickey Johns
Satish
Deepak
Joran

see -

I just posted another regarding the same that the 5 suspects still remain the same by another date.

Interesting eh.



I beg your pardon...oh wise one!  You are right I mistyped that...it should have read...According the Kermit's post concerning comments by a poster named Harry. LOL

So sorry to mix your words...never my intention. :2notworthy:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2008, 05:57:35 PM
Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

CapsLockWizard

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


For this to be true then Kawish's uncle would have to be K2's real father.  Not sure if I buy that yet, need more info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 06:03:08 PM
As I have said often...Shango clearly did not want Joran and the Kalpoes to be blamed for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yes, it is clear of this intent...to me at least...when he calls Joran the scapegoat...and says he ran bleating...young lambdersloot..that to me is distancing Joran from the actual crime.  It may not be to anyone else, but even Simian says the Kalpoes were told what to say...around the pool...they did not know what happened...who provided escort after the Kalpoes left.  It is obviously a way to remove the 3 perps from the equation.  Merian indicates that Freddy is involved in a manner that suggests...to me again...that Merian wants to distance the perps from the crime or at the least bring another suspect into this in order to distract from the original scenario which I think is the correct one. 

Shango brings us into a world of high stakes gamblers and money laundering and kidnapping and pornography...not what happened during the time Joran and Natalee were in the car with the Kalpoes.  As far as Shango is concerned...it all happened after Natalee was left or taken somewhere.  So is there merit to Shango?  To Simian?  We may never know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

CapsLockWizard

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


For this to be true then Kawish's uncle would have to be K2's real father.  Not sure if I buy that yet, need more info.

Whew!  Here I was thinking I was the only monkey here that didn't know this.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 06:08:19 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



The casino video demonstrates Natalee's body language when Paulus tries to engage her in a conversation.
Natalee clearly pulls back - away from him.

LALA MORE FOOD TO CONSIDER:


"of the five people now in custody"
Posted by: Harry | June 24, 2005 02:52 PM

By June 24, 2005 - the FIVE IN CUSTODY WERE:
Mickey Johns
Abraham Jones
Joran
Deepak
Satish


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 19, 2008, 08:11:04 PM

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?

and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 19, 2008, 08:17:14 PM
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…

 :wink: 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 08:33:38 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.



bumping.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.


Ah yes!  Dear Dr. Hodges.  Still waiting for any of his info to turn out to be true.  That particular email has been discussed at length at SM.  Several of us feel that Deepak did not write that email alone...as in he had help from a Sloot...so if true...would that mean that Dr. Hodges is describing the wrong person and it could in fact be Joran?  His thought printing is about as reliable in some ways as Shango...no offense to him.

Still, what you are saying are the thoughts of many monkeys...the KISS theory of it was the perps and Natalee and they raped her and she either ran from them or fought them to the point that one of them injured her fatally or that she did indeed suffocate during the rape.  This theory has some valid points that could be supported given a few things we do know...

1. Deepak cleaning his car in the wee hours of the morning...maybe to clean vomit or blood or other fluids from his car after the rape.  I would think Natalee's hair would have been in his car or some evidence that she was there...but I think it was clean.
2. The gardener witness that saw Joran, Deepak and some other person in Deepak's car near the Racquet Club.
3. The need for Deepak and Satish to insist they left Joran and Natalee at the beach and went home.
4. The text messaging that went on during that night and Deepak admitting he was trying to confuse the investigation.
5. Satish asking about Natalee..."how's the girl?"
6. Deepak admitting there was something on Natalee to see..."see that chit"

These are just a few of the obvious things that could indicate it's true.  You are not too far off in your thinking from many of the monkeys here. There are just so many scenarios and so little actual facts that we know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on April 19, 2008, 09:05:10 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:08:38 PM

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?

and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested




OMG!!! Finally!! Someone posting something in context to what is being said among the FP posters....I think I may faint...yes...I am going to faint. 

Sorry, for the drama...but it's so rare that anyone ever does this...but me...of course.

 :smt038


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 11:46:28 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 20, 2008, 03:38:13 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 07:28:30 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 09:24:23 AM
Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.


Ah yes!  Dear Dr. Hodges.  Still waiting for any of his info to turn out to be true.  That particular email has been discussed at length at SM.  Several of us feel that Deepak did not write that email alone...as in he had help from a Sloot...so if true...would that mean that Dr. Hodges is describing the wrong person and it could in fact be Joran?  His thought printing is about as reliable in some ways as Shango...no offense to him.

Still, what you are saying are the thoughts of many monkeys...the KISS theory of it was the perps and Natalee and they raped her and she either ran from them or fought them to the point that one of them injured her fatally or that she did indeed suffocate during the rape.  This theory has some valid points that could be supported given a few things we do know...

1. Deepak cleaning his car in the wee hours of the morning...maybe to clean vomit or blood or other fluids from his car after the rape.  I would think Natalee's hair would have been in his car or some evidence that she was there...but I think it was clean.
2. The gardener witness that saw Joran, Deepak and some other person in Deepak's car near the Racquet Club.
3. The need for Deepak and Satish to insist they left Joran and Natalee at the beach and went home.
4. The text messaging that went on during that night and Deepak admitting he was trying to confuse the investigation.
5. Satish asking about Natalee..."how's the girl?"
6. Deepak admitting there was something on Natalee to see..."see that chit"

These are just a few of the obvious things that could indicate it's true.  You are not too far off in your thinking from many of the monkeys here. There are just so many scenarios and so little actual facts that we know.



     The location on the beach and the involvement of just the three boys, minus a rape, closely follows the Patrick video.  There are pieces of it that seem highly plausible to me, but I really don't think that Natalee was attacked by three teenagers in the back seet of a Honda.  Isn't Joran 6'5"?
     I also felt that Dr Hodges did not take into consideration that English for Deepak is a third language and one in which he doesn't have very good writing/grammar skills.  Hodges referred to Deepak's choice of words, syntax, etc.  I thought that his choice of words sounded like English slang that had probably been picked up on the streets. It's most likely the only English he knows.  I don't think it's valid for Deepak's writing to be examined like writing of a native English speaker.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 09:40:11 AM
I have an interesting thought... well to me anyway.

Has anyone considered that Paulus' diploma was faked and so where his grades? I see a passage that seems to be in direct line with this thought. It's in the last page or two.

Remember when Paulus supposedly failed his judge test in March of 05... well, maybe he never even actually took the test and that's what we were told. I would image that before such a test was administered there was a through and complete review of everything Paulus had done or accomplished. Just to double check and make sure that everything was in line and order. It could have been that upon review some inconsistencies were found and the test was yanked. So, he didn't fail, but never took the test - hence - no judgeship.

Normally I would consider someone job history off limits, but Paulus was a formal suspect and this seem to have occurred less than three months prior, and could be a motivating factor as to his behavior.

It's probably not correct, but just thinking how that passage "could" fit Paulus.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Good thoughts in here guys! 

Sirensong
According to Shango...and depending on whose interpretation you use...the meanings of those verses can be completely different.  I have no problem with the Mary and lamb interpretations you used...in fact...Caps has offered various forms of that also.  We just have no proof that any of what we think of those verses is indeed the truth.

Colombo
I am almost afraid to say I think I understand you...LOL...yes, it was NOT a game...as you often hint...it was a planned event.  I have given up trying to understand you after all this time...I just wish you would say what you really think. LOL

Caps
What happened to those Dutch owned apartments you talked about early in your writings?  Have you discounted them and moved on the the Lions Den?  What kind of scandal are you referring to that related to the Natalee case?  As far as I know that restaurant and motel was not brought up in our media?  Where did this attention to this place happen?  In Aruba?  Was it reported there?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 09:56:30 AM
I have an interesting thought... well to me anyway.

Has anyone considered that Paulus' diploma was faked and so where his grades? I see a passage that seems to be in direct line with this thought. It's in the last page or two.

Remember when Paulus supposedly failed his judge test in March of 05... well, maybe he never even actually took the test and that's what we were told. I would image that before such a test was administered there was a through and complete review of everything Paulus had done or accomplished. Just to double check and make sure that everything was in line and order. It could have been that upon review some inconsistencies were found and the test was yanked. So, he didn't fail, but never took the test - hence - no judgeship.

Normally I would consider someone job history off limits, but Paulus was a formal suspect and this seem to have occurred less than three months prior, and could be a motivating factor as to his behavior.

It's probably not correct, but just thinking how that passage "could" fit Paulus.

Hmmmmm.  I have often wondered when Paulus told Anita that he failed his judgeship and why?  He did spend a lot of time away from home working on it and then to have failed it all...must have been a blow to the whole family...looking back now...it does not seem to have mattered...something he knew has been very instrumental in keeping everyone out of prison.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 20, 2008, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.



Freddy...strike out 20 times...but on the 21st.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


My thoughts too!  Colombo has never wavered in his opinion about who is his 5th suspect.  The pieces fall into place except for a few things. The only info we have to go on is from Simian...no one else ever talks about a 5th suspect...with Shango there is dirty hand.  Many have said that the 5th suspect and dirty hand are one and the same...not enough to make me believe it yet...still waiting for that proof. 

If Paulus is the 5th suspect I would need to know when was the party?  Was there one at Paulus house that night and who were there (I have thought this out and can fill in blanks here..just can't prove it) that became the alibi for him? The only thing I have seen is the casino video that supposedly has Paulus sitting beside Natalee at the table.   To me, Paulus does not seem like a "cool and crazy" guy.  He seems more like a sick old man looking for a fresh piece of meat for his nightly escapades.  I do not see Natalee interested in him in that video...I only see her being polite.  If she was infatuated with him in any way...why doesn't that show in that video?  I know, I know, some will say it is because that isn't Paulus...yeah right...and that isn't his son he points over to while talking to Natalee either.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
the cool & crazy guy
the fallen "judge"
the father
the fallen elder
a lion(?)

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
the cool & crazy guy
the fallen "judge"
the father
the fallen elder
a lion(?)

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.



Context!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


My thoughts too!  Colombo has never wavered in his opinion about who is his 5th suspect.  The pieces fall into place except for a few things. The only info we have to go on is from Simian...no one else ever talks about a 5th suspect...with Shango there is dirty hand.  Many have said that the 5th suspect and dirty hand are one and the same...not enough to make me believe it yet...still waiting for that proof. 

If Paulus is the 5th suspect I would need to know when was the party?   Was there one at Paulus house that night and who were there (I have thought this out and can fill in blanks here..just can't prove it) that became the alibi for him? The only thing I have seen is the casino video that supposedly has Paulus sitting beside Natalee at the table.   To me, Paulus does not seem like a "cool and crazy" guy.  He seems more like a sick old man looking for a fresh piece of meat for his nightly escapades.  I do not see Natalee interested in him in that video...I only see her being polite.  If she was infatuated with him in any way...why doesn't that show in that video?  I know, I know, some will say it is because that isn't Paulus...yeah right...and that isn't his son he points over to while talking to Natalee either.


I felt that the party CAPS was describing was making more sense than most of what I have read.  I think he was telling us that the gambling/video party was at Matty Apartments, one of several locations where these parties were held.  I think Paulus and some of his friends were there.  Joran arrived with his friends and Natalee.  Maybe Natalee thought she was going to have fun in an after hours Aruban party.  She may have willingly entered the party and then was hit with the drug and raped/video taped.  This would also agree with those who saw her leaving C&Cs fairly sober.  CAPS said it is a 2 hour video.  When Freddy stopped filimng and the party broke up, I think that Paulus/Joran had the responsibility to return Natalee, but at this point there was a problem and something bad had happened.  CAPS came right out and told us that Julia Renfro was there because she is connected to this video business.  CAPS thinks that Natalee is in the pond across the street from Matty Apartments - Manserat. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 20, 2008, 10:45:58 AM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 10:53:02 AM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102


I also read that he had a law degree in Boxell.  I don't know though, if a Dutch law degree is the equivalent of ours.  I do think that the riddle is pointing directly at someone's fake degree or a degree that was acquired through cheating.  Do you suppose that Paulus knows about one of the other top judges having a fake degree, and this might be the power that Paulus holds over some judges?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 10:53:28 AM
This was posted on NAH last night and I noticed how closely this mimicked something I am all to familiar with after 3 years.  I don't know when the articles were posted in the newspapers, but it did catch my eye.  I will just leave it for everyone to decide for themselves what they think. Thanks to VMS for posting this!



vms

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2008, 08:35:18 PM »
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Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch




Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 11:04:20 AM
Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html


I wonder if there is something fraudulant in the original 1979 degree?  It looks like this is the only degree that he has earned.  I guess you don't need a law degree to be a lawyer or judge in Aruba.  It's no wonder that the legal system is so screwed up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Before someone can take the BAR exam in the US, they usually have to be checked out.  This includes checking academic degrees and arrest records. I wonder if they found something wrong with the 1979 degree and then didn't make him a judge.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:05:29 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 20, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
This is interesting...of course it is Julia...being quote by Harry...so....

Julia informed Greta that Paulus van der Sloot was sworn in as a lawyer today. He will work for the law firm of Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney. Julia explained that Paulus was studying for his Aruban law exam as well as a judgeship. While in Aruba, Paulus taught law at the university. He actually has never practiced law in Aruba. He practiced law in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/harrytho_117_na_1.php




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
I keep posting in the wrong thread.

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102

I can see no way to become a judge without a law degree, advanced classes, and a passed test. We all know Rudy is the head of the Justice Dept and no a lawyer...so that would be different... that seems to be an administration job, but sitting in judgment of someone certainly would require all the I's dotted and T's crossed. The Dutch somehow consider themselves the world authority on all matters legal. I see this area probably has very very few loop holes and something they take very seriously.

There's something funny (NOT) about Paulus and when that certain "something" is revealed, it will all make sense.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 11:17:32 AM
SS
There are several flaws in Caps theory that I am trying to get him to work out...as I have said before..don't just take everything as fact.  Simian says that the 5th was at a party at HIS house and it was a a SIMPLE party.  What you just said does not fit that story...that is not a simple party to me.  Lights! Cameras! Action!  Nothing simple about that...that is not a few friends at a home having a drink.

Now, going back to the Matty Apts....this place was the first place rumored to have been the location for a video/rave/sex party.  Dave even suspected it as did others that were investigating.  The evidence that Julia Renfro was ever involved in that particular party does not exist at this time...I would really like to see this since she was given an "all clear" letter on her behalf by none other than Hans Mos.  If that didn't raise any eyebrows it should have...red flags would be an understatement!

Caps has often been all over the place with his theories and they have changed from some of his earlier thoughts, but that does not discount them.  Problem with a theory is that it remains that until proof is shown to support it.  I know, probably better than most here, what Caps thinks about where her body is and how it got there and who put it there.  I also know what Caps thinks about those involved and one thing to realize is that he is working on the Shango verses and trying to tie them into what he can piece  together that appears to fit the verses.  REMEMBER THIS....Shango does not claim that Joran is in any way responsible for the death of Natalee Holloway.  He and the Kalpoes are the method of acquisition only.  They left or were excluded in some way as to distance them from the actual crime...this could be true..which would make the Kalpoes  guilty of just being stupid, but not rape or drugging Natalee.  This doesn't fit what I think at this time. If Joran, as Caps indicated in one of his earliest posts about what he thinks happened, just delivered Natalee and then left (Shango says this too) to wait until they tossed her back to him that does indeed relieve him of the actual rape and subsequent death or at the least just drugging her and she died accidentally.

Don't get me wrong, when and if Caps and all of us can prove his theories I am on board...he has worked very hard on this stuff.  At least he has had the courage to stick his neck out and say some things that we didn't know and make connections for us to so many things we have all wondered about.  Just because we can make it fit into the Shango and Simian verses does mean it will fit the known facts that we have at this time. 

Now, before anyone gets angry at me and thinks I am trying to discredit Caps and his work...think again...I am on his side much to the chagrin of many monkeys.  Someone has to play devil's advocate here in order to obtain some type of perspective.  If we can't answer all the questions and make all the pieces fit what good is all this work that everyone has been doing?  Just thoughts...sorry it is so long. MOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 11:21:17 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

You do know that Finbar will disagree with you?

BTW, please answer me this..what happened to all that other stuff that proved who Simian and Shango really were?  I am not trying to incite a riot, just asking what changed your mind?  Do you still think Gabe is Shango?  Hey, did you know that Caps knows Mr. Burke very well?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:29:07 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

You do know that Finbar will disagree with you?

BTW, please answer me this..what happened to all that other stuff that proved who Simian and Shango really were?  I am not trying to incite a riot, just asking what changed your mind?  Do you still think Gabe is Shango?  Hey, did you know that Caps knows Mr. Burke very well?   ::MonkeyWink::
ahhh... no, because I have not seen it posted here... first time I've heard that.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Anida has all the Shango and Simian stuff, ... when she logs on next time ask her for it. I don't keep stuff like that.

I believe Gabe is some how involved with the use of the internet to dissuade us.  How did Gabe get a 235K dollar house for 1 dollar in Florida? I'd like that deal too.

I have never changed my mind about Gabe... he knows or worked with Shango and probably posted the riddles that were written on Aruba from Florida.

Gabe is some how connected. And it's no wonder he is always trying to get people to look somewhere else.

again, all just my opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 11:35:15 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:44:31 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
SS:
the simple party was the alibi story......"sometimes friends will cover for each other"

if there really was a simple party, why would anybody have to "cover" for anybody?

"the alibi needs to be broken"......how could it be broken if there was really a simple party that included "the important others?"




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 12:00:09 PM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?

"the next day your son was picked up"

does this refer to the day after the disappearance?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 12:05:07 PM
if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.



Wasn't there also a riddle in there saying that he wasn'ton time for school - probably meaning that Paulus was late to his class at the University?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 01:20:36 PM
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In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.


right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?

she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 01:27:59 PM
if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.



Wasn't there also a riddle in there saying that he wasn'ton time for school - probably meaning that Paulus was late to his class at the University?

What time would that class have been?  Wasn't he working that morning and had to leave to make his trips to the bank or the area near there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


Shango said something about having to go through the small house to get into the bigger house or something.  I remember reading it.    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


A long time ago I googled great house in aruba and it means whitehouse.  I just thought they were mixing something up at the time and never paid much attention to it.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO


I don't believe Mary was NH either.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
I think Caps claims that "Mary, not a virign" was Julia Renfro.  That would require us to place her in the casino that night and at the "party" as well. She would also be part of Paulus alibi if he is the 5th person.  Still waiting to see this for sure...and I would really like to see this proof...you have no idea how much I would like to see this...it would bring everything full circle and fill in every blank in the story.  It would take down a lot of people...but there is nothing to make that happen now. Especially now that Julia has her 'get out of jail free" letter from the big guy.  What we need now is new evidence. Something or someone to crack it open a little more and let the light shine on the cockroaches causing them to scurry around even more.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb

Mary had a little lamb but it can be confirmed that the song Mary had a little lamb is American as the words were written by Sarah Hale, of Boston, in 1830. An interesting historical note about this rhyme - the words of Mary had a Little Lamb were the first ever recorded by Thomas Edison, on tin foil, on his phonograph.


Mary had a little lamb

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
It made the children laugh and play, to see a lamb at school.
And so the teacher turned it out, but still it lingered near,
And waited patiently about till Mary did appear.
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?" the eager children cry;
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know" the teacher did reply. 

jackb (thought this might trigger a thought.)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb

Mary had a little lamb but it can be confirmed that the song Mary had a little lamb is American as the words were written by Sarah Hale, of Boston, in 1830. An interesting historical note about this rhyme - the words of Mary had a Little Lamb were the first ever recorded by Thomas Edison, on tin foil, on his phonograph.


Mary had a little lamb

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
It made the children laugh and play, to see a lamb at school.
And so the teacher turned it out, but still it lingered near,
And waited patiently about till Mary did appear.
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?" the eager children cry;
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know" the teacher did reply. 

jackb (thought this might trigger a thought.)

NOTE:  TURNED IT OUT.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO


I don't believe Mary was NH either.  Jackb

No, Jackb thinks the 5th suspect is GVC and Palus.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 02:24:40 PM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.

Very little proof...not enough to say this is a fact...can't prove a negative so I guess we are still at the beginning...searching and looking for anything that would make sense.  Steve Croes is related to AG...but I doubt that he is Hendrick, Jr.  Steve Croes lives like a pauper compared to Rudy...if you were close to this family would you allow yourself live like Steve does?  I am not going to continue to argue that point...it is not worth it at all.  If he came out and said Steve Croes is my son, nephew, or anything else what good would that do at this point? The deed is done...Joran has confessed and released everyone of any guilt except himself and Daury.  Now Daury is in custody in USA.

Tylergal has talked about these parties for years now and had much evidence of the dirty old men's club and the goings on. She has a bead on this stuff from the first week.  Little is new in this scenario and it's quite distressing to those of us that want to see justice come to Natalee and her family.  Unless, the FBI steps in and throws us a bone I fear nothing is going to happen.  Oh to find her body or a shoe or some clothing or anything that would ramp up the investigation.  Apparently, Mos could not or would not use any of the evidence DeVries offered him and here we sit...still...waiting and wondering who was Simian and is Shango for real? We should not drink the kool aid just because it is offered in a golden chalice with ice.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:27:49 PM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102

Mary had a little lamb but it can be confirmed that the song Mary had a little lamb is American as the words were written by Sarah Hale, of Boston, in 1830. An interesting historical note about this rhyme - the words of Mary had a Little Lamb were the first ever recorded by Thomas Edison, on tin foil, on his phonograph.


Mary had a little lamb

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
It made the children laugh and play, to see a lamb at school.
And so the teacher turned it out, but still it lingered near,
And waited patiently about till Mary did appear.
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?" the eager children cry;
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know" the teacher did reply.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on April 20, 2008, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb

Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 04:46:53 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 04:48:04 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a goat

A sacrifice will be made
to spare the polis
to spare the teepees


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 20, 2008, 05:09:39 PM
I always wondered  what this said, so here is translation:

DVD LAND & CD 
 
Business address CATIRI 7-A, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  DVD LAND & CD 
Date of commencement  1 JUNE 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS;   
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  3 APRIL 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Translation:
 
THE SELLING AND RENT VAN DVD AND CD. B.  DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND ARTICLES.  C.  THE EXPLOITING VAN A FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, PHOTOGRAPHIC, AND AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF; D.  THE IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE EXPLOIT VAN
AN ADVERTISING DESK; C.  THE ADVISING AND GRANT VAN SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE

Interesting, does this mean an actual Van  is involved?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 20, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
Nevermind, no it doesn't  mean an actual van.   

I wonder why Jossy is so quiet. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 06:17:14 PM
   CAPS has led us to the pond across from Matty's Apartments, Shango seems to have led us there, and from the beginning there have been hints pointing toward this location.  CAPS says that he gave Tim and John all of this information before they left Aruba.  OE confirmed with photographs that they scanned the bottom of this pond.  OE didn't say whether he saw anything after reviewing the scans.  I feel like we are at a stand still right now.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on with TES?  Should we be out trying to encourage money and contributions for a return to Aruba? I can't help but think that our best direction right now is to check that pond and the other sites that were identified by Peristence.  At least there will be forward movement.  We are going to continue to tread water until we find something in terms of solid evidence or one of the party boys starts to sing.  Sometimes I get so frustrated just thinking of the arrogance that those low lifes have while they are sitting back and watching us.  They know all the details and they are completely off the hook.  It irritates me that Patrick has claimed to have solved the case, but you must wait until his book is published for his answer.  To me, that is outrageous.  This is a tragedy, not a game.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 06:25:16 PM
   CAPS has led us to the pond across from Matty's Apartments, Shango seems to have led us there, and from the beginning there have been hints pointing toward this location.  CAPS says that he gave Tim and John all of this information before they left Aruba.  OE confirmed with photographs that they scanned the bottom of this pond.  OE didn't say whether he saw anything after reviewing the scans.  I feel like we are at a stand still right now.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on with TES?  Should we be out trying to encourage money and contributions for a return to Aruba? I can't help but think that our best direction right now is to check that pond and the other sites that were identified by Peristence.  At least there will be forward movement.  We are going to continue to tread water until we find something in terms of solid evidence or one of the party boys starts to sing.  Sometimes I get so frustrated just thinking of the arrogance that those low lifes have while they are sitting back and watching us.  They know all the details and they are completely off the hook.  It irritates me that Patrick has claimed to have solved the case, but you must wait until his book is published for his answer.  To me, that is outrageous.  This is a tragedy, not a game.


Hey,there is a strike going on down there!  You need to get your priorities straight.  What are you thinking? LOL

Joking aside, sometimes patience and silence can be a good thing..it could mean that someone is planning something.  Patience grasshopper... :wink:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 07:30:19 PM
   CAPS has led us to the pond across from Matty's Apartments, Shango seems to have led us there, and from the beginning there have been hints pointing toward this location.  CAPS says that he gave Tim and John all of this information before they left Aruba.  OE confirmed with photographs that they scanned the bottom of this pond.  OE didn't say whether he saw anything after reviewing the scans.  I feel like we are at a stand still right now.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on with TES?  Should we be out trying to encourage money and contributions for a return to Aruba? I can't help but think that our best direction right now is to check that pond and the other sites that were identified by Peristence.  At least there will be forward movement.  We are going to continue to tread water until we find something in terms of solid evidence or one of the party boys starts to sing.  Sometimes I get so frustrated just thinking of the arrogance that those low lifes have while they are sitting back and watching us.  They know all the details and they are completely off the hook.  It irritates me that Patrick has claimed to have solved the case, but you must wait until his book is published for his answer.  To me, that is outrageous.  This is a tragedy, not a game.


Hey,there is a strike going on down there!  You need to get your priorities straight.  What are you thinking? LOL

Joking aside, sometimes patience and silence can be a good thing..it could mean that someone is planning something.  Patience grasshopper... :wink:




You're right, now what could I have been thinking????  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 20, 2008, 07:51:31 PM
Yep....Silence is Golden!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 20, 2008, 07:53:52 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 09:43:43 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 09:46:05 PM
re: goat

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking
DirtyHand is alive and well


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 10:10:20 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?

I am not so sure that Shango called the name sloot or meant the goat as other than a goat.  There has been so many trying to translate the shango sayings they left some of their own in there.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 10:12:55 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?

I am not so sure that Shango called the name sloot or meant the goat as other than a goat.  There has been so many trying to translate the shango sayings they left some of their own in there.  j/b


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 10:26:02 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::

If anyone has been a sacrifice here it seems NH is.  She has been the scapegoat of their smear campaign and of the disinformation campaign. 
Lamb der sloot would mean lamb of sloot (if in fact this was said by the real shango.  Could there have been a ritualistic "mirrage" and the lamb was now a goat (or deflowered?)  Just a thought.  jackb.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 20, 2008, 10:34:24 PM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)






Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 10:50:57 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::

If anyone has been a sacrifice here it seems NH is.  She has been the scapegoat of their smear campaign and of the disinformation campaign. 
Lamb der sloot would mean lamb of sloot (if in fact this was said by the real shango.  Could there have been a ritualistic "mirrage" and the lamb was now a goat (or deflowered?)  Just a thought.  jackb.

The above was just a thought.  Most likely PVs switched places with Joran and did the final disposal with help from connections, etc.  This is such a mess and like I said before.  If they were 100 percent certain and had ( and did possibly have) the evidence.  They would not prosecute because Pvs has so much dirt on the ones covering this up.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 20, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)

Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on April 20, 2008, 11:17:37 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Thank you for the Shango quote.  I think I'm off track with Satish.  Joran still does not seem like a bleating lamb....he's too hard core.  But maybe one of Joran's brothers..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 20, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.

An interesting concept, indeed...

I have mentioned many times in the past that this entire scandal reminds me of the the Tom Cruise movie, "Eyes Wide Shut" in fact -- In fact it is very eerie if real... Perhaps someone should check to see if the movie's Direcctor/Producer has ever had any ties to Aruba -- perhaps the movie is inspired by the reality of an underworld in Aruba... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 12:39:44 AM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6750/routehotelsvds2hb0.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 12:40:38 AM
Pita,

Is that information for the Apartment or the hotel?


Caps,

how does the Atlantis apartments fit into the witness?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 04:40:13 AM

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?

and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested




Finngirl…Some of us are at an extreme disadvantage as we weren’t around the forums in the early days. Makes for a lot of catching up. But I do agree with you and Lala’s ‘in context’!

Thanks for digging in the heels.

Thanks
everyone for some really great posts the last few days and really good insight into Shango, Simian and Mirian by our veteran posters.

I guess I had always thought that Simian was legit when he/she was posting early and something happened and changed the entire context of the posts. Now I will have to look at the posts in a whole new light.

I am curious as to the two posts on 6/17 by Simian. Now, what to think of Mirian’s posts? The famous pic? Mirian’s posts about this were mid-July, was there discussion about these posts at the time? Where did Mirian post? Are any of these posts, in context, still around? Did anyone here post with Mirian?

Where does this leave me with Freddy? Not sure? But for sure he was inserted into this case big time, in all the PVs. (If you want to know that, you will have to ask Freddy!)

And then there is Guido – the intern? We know he was an intern at the Racquet Club, is this the same Guido at 19 was an intern at the Holiday Inn? Did Simian ‘know’ he was a suspect early on? Something a little wrong with his arrest almost a year later, and the rumors that surrounded it. No scratches for Guido, a supposed other arrest in the Netherlands that didn’t happen! What about the 24 year old croupier?

GVC’s press statement in early May that he and his Dad threatened to sue Aruba for false detainment? He was still in Aruba in April, looks like that family made a quick exit! He was supposedly questioned earlier, along with his Dad.The arrest of 6/11, that didn’t happen? Lorenzo and Max Arendz on 6/16? Was Freddy a suspect?

Lots to think about. Thanks again everyone, some really great thought provoking posts!








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 05:36:51 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?

"the next day your son was picked up"

does this refer to the day after the disappearance?


COLUMBO…The picture becomes a lot clearer when you post this way…LOL

For Rob…6/18 -  Zeollas? 6/23 – Charles Croes…IMO

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

Paulus 6/18 PV
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...

PAGE OR PAGES MISSING  

...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of  “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.

Paulus 6/23 PV
A woman with long black hair was continuously talking on her mobile phone. I understood that she was informing the news media in the US to the fact that a girl had gone missing. I briefly talked to Charles CROES who had been driving the mother of the missing girl. He said that he didn't need to know anything more from Joran. He said that he had looked into Joran's eyes and understood from that

HERE THERE IS A SECTION MISSING  

moment we got into the police car after I had shook every ones hands, all except the long black haired woman who was still on the phone. WILLIAMS told me that I should count on the fact they they would want to talk to Joran again. The mother of the girl by that time had already left. At least I did not see her anymore. We were dropped off home by the officers. It was starting to get light.

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.
On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

Joran’s 6/10/2005 PV
To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euros from my father, and also took money from my mother.  And I used my brother's mobile phone without asking for permission, and after that I broke the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is 15 years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 05:40:44 AM
This was posted on NAH last night and I noticed how closely this mimicked something I am all to familiar with after 3 years.  I don't know when the articles were posted in the newspapers, but it did catch my eye.  I will just leave it for everyone to decide for themselves what they think. Thanks to VMS for posting this!



vms

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2008, 08:35:18 PM »
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Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch




Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
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Lala’s……this post appears to be from June 10th., which is very interesting. Also on the same FP one from Gabe Leo. Hmmmm!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 06:06:17 AM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


SS….Thanks...Enjoyed your post, but it appears we are on opposite sides of the fence on this one!

JMHO

1.Caps has yet to explain how he switched to the Matty Apartments, after he clearly posted and mapped a different apartment complex in an earlier post. When I asked about the Lion’s Den before, Caps told me NO! Hmmm!

2.Still have not seen anything to prove that Steve is related to Rudy, and IIRC in Caps’ last post on Rudy and Hendrick he did not even have them as brothers! That being said…everyone on Aruba is related somewhere down the line.  I do not see Steve as an organizer here…and if he was one of ‘the Croes’ I can’t see them throwing him under the bus and him spending time in jail

3.Guido…see my earlier post to Finngirl.

4.Julia – Still haven’t worked out where Caps came up with The News waaaayyy back in the first thread, but I don’t believe she was there. Have some thoughts on Julia and her letter from Mos, but need to think it through a little more.

5.Not sure how Caps came up with Briezon, would not be surprised after the pics we’ve seen, but just not sure he was there that night.

quote
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


This would take us back to the Loesge and Aristotle posts, which I think are a definite possibility.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 06:30:57 AM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)

Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   



Kermit keeps leading me back to the Racquet Club....

I could not find anything on Michael Rock at the Marriott?

http://www.amararesort.com/about-amara/general-manager/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 06:45:17 AM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Thank you for the Shango quote.  I think I'm off track with Satish.  Joran still does not seem like a bleating lamb....he's too hard core.  But maybe one of Joran's brothers..




Hi Puzzler…Val is the one I am suspicious of as Paulus mainly mentions Sebastian, and IIRC, the cell phone that was found just recently belonged to Val, according to Anita. I wonder just when Joran broke the chip in Val’s phone. Paulus and Anita shipped both Val and Sebastian of to the States around June 15th, the day of the search and as I understand it, before the search.

I have been meaning to post this for a while, and I need to find the post…LOL…I saved it, so it is on my computer somewhere!

Not sure if it was Scuba, Glenda/Bondia that replied to a post about ‘pimps’ of all ages in a certain pic. Whom ever it was, replied that it was normal for peeps from young teens to men of 28 to 30 to hang out together.

My immediate thoughts on the post, at the time, were Val, Sander and the likes of Max Arendz and Lorenzo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 07:24:18 AM
Pita,

Is that information for the Apartment or the hotel?


Caps,

how does the Atlantis apartments fit into the witness?



Kermit, the hotel in Aruba located in Noord.  I just noticed you were asking for info on the apartments in Curacao.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 07:29:58 AM
Hi Mum,

Thanks for the quotes above. Ya know, it's probably true that Valentijn and Sebastian were on Aruba then and Widget the Midget had it wrong. It really makes me shake my head and wonder what the heck Anita was thinking leaving her kids on Aruba alone if Paulus was in fact with her. It's probable that Sebastian was at the Zeolla's, but where was Valentijn? I have seen no accounts of where he stayed and cringe at the fact that the Sloots could have left Joran and Valentijn alone. That's a frightening thought. I would image that JQK and the KLPD have certainly ascertained the exact whereabouts of Paulus and Valentijn. So, the ALE / KLPD must consider Valentijn a possible candidate to have driven the car or they would not have asked about him. He must have passed the test to established him actually being on Aruba.

From the above quotes, it's apparent why the Sloot's cars were confiscated. But at this time I have no idea and apparently either do they, who drove one or both of the cars. Could have been Paulus, Joran or Valentijn. Anyone drive a car. We all were kids once and saw our parents go through the steps to drive a car. Now, a kid might not have the experience to drive the car well, but knows the steps to get it all going.

My grandfather was driving at age 11 in a model something or other that had a "K" shift. He used to love to tell that story. Back in those days I don't think you needed a driver's license, just a car.

I guess it's also possible that the Sloots put the maid in charge even though she worked part time. Just seems irresponsible, but that's the Sloots for ya, so it "could" make sense.

With Valentijn's questioning at the end of last year, I would say he would NOW be a suspicious character, but not necessarily a suspect. His whereabouts need to be clarified in my opinion. Anyone else?

So, someone drove one or both of the car judging by the line of questioning, but who? Instead of two potentials, you would now have three and adding another player just makes the water more murky.

Just to note, we would now have another Sloot without any time-line. Paulus and Valentijn.

I wonder what happens to the Shango riddle when you insert Valentijn in areas overlooked before?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 07:33:12 AM
Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 08:52:38 AM
Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Good Morning Pita...I am not sure what Kermit was asking about as he said a half mile from the Racquet Club and I assumed Aruba...maybe I need more coffee!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 09:14:58 AM
Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Good Morning Pita...I am not sure what Kermit was asking about as he said a half mile from the Racquet Club and I assumed Aruba...maybe I need more coffee!

Me neither, that's why I originally posted the info for the Atlantis Hotel in Noord.  That one is near the Racquet Club.    :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 09:39:55 AM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 09:53:49 AM
The idea to call in Deep Sea Divers was suggested to Aruba's PM by Mr. Miller of the Texas Equusearch.

There's a container that seems to be holding what looks like a body that was detected by the sonar equipment.

Besides that, did you know that the persons who abducted and killed Mr. Miller's daughter were never found, never brought to justice?
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 08:54 AM



mc:

Prostitution is regulated and controlled by the Government. Girls are checked every week by doctors and need to test every week. They are only allowed to practice for 3 months. They are always free to leave before those 3 months and are guaranteed that right.

Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Arubans are also disgusted with drugs being sold on the beaches. However, half of the problem is that tourists demand it. Regretfuly, if there is a demand than someone will provide.

Suspected corruption. By whom?

Money laundering. There are all sorts of treaties and special task forces and joint efforts with US and The Netherlands to fight that. All of it being paid Aruban taxes. Any Aruban who makes a deposit of a little more than AWG. 20,000.00 (a little more than US$ 10,000.00 needs to fill out a form declaring the source of funds. That is standard procedure in all banks. All this information is than gathered and shared with oiur nice partners in the US and Europe when they need it.

Underage drinking? There is no underage drinking. At 16 you can buy a beer and cigarettes. It is not underage! Those are OUR laws. If someone were to be 15 in Aruba and order a beer, THAT would be underage. A bar/café/restaurant/nightclub can decide on their own if they are going to have a minimum age or not as long as it is not under 15. They might decide to make it 18.

If you are 18 you can vote and you are obligated to enlist for the Dutch Marines. If you can decide the fate of your country and be asked to die for it...you should be able to order a beer and smoke a cigarette.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM



Jen:

I completely agree.

Although it is very sad that someone is missed by their loved ones. It is still very true that the Dutch, European and Caribbean, are questioning whether the same will be done for their children.

There's a certain tone of ingratitude from the part of the victims. That is what Arubans feel. They also question the investigation and what not. What they do not question is that the island has done all that it can and has allowed all American agencies to assist.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:23 AM



Hopefloats:

Is has to be about money. That is why FOX and CNN are exploiting this. That is why Greta is doing her show from Aruba. It is not a public service. They are selling ads. They test audiences. Would you rather hear the story about the war in Iraq or the story of a mystery in an island Paradise?

To make it more interesting the news networks will strectch the truth as far as it can go. It is not that Arubans do not know that. Community and business leaders in Aruba are educated in the US and Europe, so it is not that we do not know how things fucntion in other societies. All of them are in awe of the twisting of truths that cable news is giving to not only the case, but also the island's reputation. On the other hand the NBC, CBS and ABC have been reporting in a completely different tone.

If Aruba were so low and dirty. How come so many American multi-nationals are established on the island? How come the US Immigration and Customs has one of the largest pre-clearance installations outside of the US borders? How come the US is building a major Forward Operating Location for their miliraty operations?

There is no anti-American sentiment on the island. Americans have been investing and have been part of Aruba fabric of society since 1929. The one person who shouted "Americans go home!" during the protest was an American lady herself who has been living on the island for many years.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:36 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 09:57:17 AM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Good Morning vms...Thanks...I will try and find some threads here first!

Found this and just had to post, even if it is not what Kermit wanted...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts

To: Froufrou
There is a common element between the "Old Hotel", The Atlantis that Equusearch searched yesterday: it's Owner
and the Owner of the"old Hilton" Wyndham:*Alfonso Riverol*

Appears that Riverol might be bankrolling the Atlantis' Owner,
among other things:

Also Beth, Jug & Equusearch were all staying at the Wyndham (FWIW)

EquuSearch; Dog Teams & Searchers Go To the Atlantis
August 1st, 2005
EquuSearch was notified this morning of a potential place of interest located in the area known as ****the old Atlantis Hotel****. The Atlantis is basically an old run down hotel and abandoned for at least 15 years. Three dog teams searched the many buildings and underground pool areas of the area.
Other camera equipment was brought in as well to search the more difficult to get to places.After about two hours of dealing with the dangerous environment, wasps and bats the searchonly found a plastic bag with a dead animal in it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Diario Diamars, 12 Juli, 2005
(Jossy Mansuers Newspaper)
FRODIGAL SON. Sergio Duarte is back on the island. Fifteen years ago when ****Atlantis Hotel*** was conceived and built by the Duarte family Sergio lived here and had a good time, chasing chicks, waterskiing, night-clubbing. Later the project got into trouble, fell into a state of despair, and was quagmired in the courts. Over the years a number of personal and business losses – Sergio’s beautiful sister lost her life in a tragic car accident at the then dangerous airport junction – humbled and quieted the man. He is today happily married raising two beautiful boys and hoping to return to Aruba and revive Atlantis. The trouble, he says is over, the government has been paid and most issues settled. I bumped into Sergio at Lounge Rouge, Texas de Brazil, accompanying business man ****Alfonso Riverol**** and a pair of glamorous women. Some things don’t change . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

COMPANY: ARUBA HOTEL ENTERPRISES N.V. ****WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT
CONTACT:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alfonso Riverol
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
TITLE: President
PHONE: 297-586-4466 ext:3800
FAX: +297-586-4987
EMAIL: alrivest@aol.com
WEBSITE:
ADDRESS: J.E. Irausquin Blvd. #77 Palm Beach ARUBA



50 posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:00:44 AM by bolta_lightnin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
Natalee was an adult. She can serve in the militay, she can vote. She should be able to have a drink. She is responsible for her own actions. Mother's will love their children, but at some point they have to let them into the world.

I resent the comment that Aruba has some sort of legal system that is beneath the American one. That is just ignorance.

Aruba like any other nightclub in Miami caters to the needs of tourists. It is not like Aruba invented it. As a matter of fact Aruba used to cater to specifically to the Tri-State area and usually to 40 and over couples.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Monday, July 11, 2005 at 11:07 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_21.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 10:40:31 AM
Vms...sorry I got called away...Thank you so much...I don't think I have ever read around that time at RWV! Read the early threads and then just picked specific dates depending on what I was looking for...once again Thanks!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
snipped
Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Hi Mum,

Thanks for the quotes above. Ya know, it's probably true that Valentijn and Sebastian were on Aruba then and Widget the Midget had it wrong. It really makes me shake my head and wonder what the heck Anita was thinking leaving her kids on Aruba alone if Paulus was in fact with her. It's probable that Sebastian was at the Zeolla's, but where was Valentijn? I have seen no accounts of where he stayed and cringe at the fact that the Sloots could have left Joran and Valentijn alone. That's a frightening thought. I would image that JQK and the KLPD have certainly ascertained the exact whereabouts of Paulus and Valentijn. So, the ALE / KLPD must consider Valentijn a possible candidate to have driven the car or they would not have asked about him. He must have passed the test to established him actually being on Aruba.

From the above quotes, it's apparent why the Sloot's cars were confiscated. But at this time I have no idea and apparently either do they, who drove one or both of the cars. Could have been Paulus, Joran or Valentijn. Anyone drive a car. We all were kids once and saw our parents go through the steps to drive a car. Now, a kid might not have the experience to drive the car well, but knows the steps to get it all going.

My grandfather was driving at age 11 in a model something or other that had a "K" shift. He used to love to tell that story. Back in those days I don't think you needed a driver's license, just a car.

I guess it's also possible that the Sloots put the maid in charge even though she worked part time. Just seems irresponsible, but that's the Sloots for ya, so it "could" make sense.

With Valentijn's questioning at the end of last year, I would say he would NOW be a suspicious character, but not necessarily a suspect. His whereabouts need to be clarified in my opinion. Anyone else?

So, someone drove one or both of the car judging by the line of questioning, but who? Instead of two potentials, you would now have three and adding another player just makes the water more murky.

Just to note, we would now have another Sloot without any time-line. Paulus and Valentijn.

I wonder what happens to the Shango riddle when you insert Valentijn in areas overlooked before?


Lots of questions about this Rob….Here’s some of mine…LOL…may want to take some Tylenol!

I don’t know if Anita would have pulled the kids out of school. Joran said the entire family went to the Netherlands every other summer. If they all went the year before, then it would make sense for Anita to go alone.

And I mean alone…Paulus had just got back from there. I don’t believe he went.

The maid…Joran said in one of the PVs that she was there I think on the Monday after school when he got home. Well whatever day it was, it was not a day she put down as working the afternoon in her PV. So either Joran didn’t go to school and saw her in the morning that day, or she was there all day, or at least until Paulus got home.

Interesting that she was interviewed for the third time on August 11th. and that is around the time the ‘sleepover’ alibi story was beginning to be posted about. First it was little Max(Arends) and then Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis (aka Arends)!

And then…there is the ‘other car’ … the grey one (Toyota?) at the back of Freddy’s house, that doesn’t even have to be Freddy’s just because a pic was taken with it there – that looks a lot like the one that Paulus? was driving in the Arubabay videos. Early rumors when Freddy was arrested were that it was because of  the car! Coincidently Freddy was questioned the same day as a woman about a grey Toyota and she showed a location.

Lots of questions…sorry answers in the PVs about who drove what type of vehicle…never did see what Freddy drove!

Got to go back and read a whole lot with a different perspective, take a look at Val and a good look at His Lordship!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 21, 2008, 01:06:35 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
snipped
Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 01:49:24 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
snipped
Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Thanks Hotping...had some of that saved in my notes that he was the money laundering expert! Will have to check later and see if it the same document and read it all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 01:57:16 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
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Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Thanks Hotping...had some of that saved in my notes that he was the money laundering expert! Will have to check later and see if it the same document and read it all.

Such a convenient way to circumvent the law. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 21, 2008, 02:18:13 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
Those posts are from RWV.  Both Klaas and I have been trying to find even one post that is here on this forum, archives or FP for a while now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.

IIRC, Merian began posting here, in the forum, in July, '05. The first post I remember was posted in the thread some front pagers created. Not on the front page of SM but in a thread some members created just after SM opend the forum for us. I can't remember exactly what the name of that thread was named now > Front page something. Merian then moved to the codetalker's area of the forum...

Not sure if I am making sense at all.  ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 21, 2008, 02:52:35 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.

IIRC, Merian began posting here, in the forum, in July, '05. The first post I remember was posted in the thread some front pagers created. Not on the front page of SM but in a thread some members created just after SM opend the forum for us. I can't remember exactly what the name of that thread was named now > Front page something. Merian then moved to the codetalker's area of the forum...

Not sure if I am making sense at all.  ::MonkeyConfused::



Archives from July, 05 until sometime in 2006 are gone....that's what I was trying to say, earlier.  I know some comments are also missing on the FP, because at one point on this new format, I asked Dugga (don't remember the specifics, now) and he confirmed that was the case. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 21, 2008, 03:00:46 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

Klass has some posted here.
I don't know Anything about them.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.0


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
The Merian posts everyone has are the same ones from RWV.  Klaas has told me that she can not find any that were posted originally here on Scared Monkeys.  All she has found are from RWV and she does not have the ability to check the IP addy on any of those posts.  The only thing she can check would be the email addresses.  That is why it's important to find those that were posted here if any were at all. I have looked all over trying to find just one post from Merian Ernest in this forum...I have never found one..that is why it caught my attention.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:13:11 PM
That last post may not have made any sense...sorry.  What I am trying to say is what is needed is a post made for the first time by Merian at SM.  The code talkers brought those posts over as I have been told...doesn't mean it's correct..was told that by someone that was there at the time.  The only posts we have that were made are from what was posted by Merian at RWV and moved here when they created the code talkers thread.  I too, always thought that I had read posts by Merian that were original to this forum..but I have been told that is not the case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:17:16 PM
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
Merian posted here at SM. The posts were not moved here. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Merian posted here at SM. The posts were not moved here. 

Klaas says that is not true...those posts that are posted in the Merian Ernest section came from RWV.  I am only telling you what she has told me...I do not know if it is true.  I will check to make sure. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
Maybe what Klaas means is that they are not longer available and can't be traced to the IP or something like that...I am asking for clarification...I would really like to find them and let her check for us.  Thanks again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:33:32 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:35:16 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.

also checked all the yahoo, hotmail, gmail, setar accounts and nothing there either.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 21, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

If archives are gone from July, 2005 through early 2006, then any possibility to find posts by merian ernest or even myself during that period would be impossible.  You could say that I didn't post here during that timeframe, which would not be true.   W....I'm done...repeated same info in 3 posts, now...

Rob, I saw those links when searching earlier....King Kong...big monkey, hehe?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:40:16 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.

We just assumed back then that he used the Morse Code conversion online. Same way we decoded it back to the written word when he posted it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
I am thinking those posts were part of the fatal crash we had here and can no longer be found...what a shame too..that would have been really great to have them and then we would know for sure about them being the same person as Simian.  I am hoping Klaas will clarify this for me shortly.  VMS, I think you are correct and they are irretrievable at this time or maybe for ever.  I was under the impression that Klaas said the emails were the same, but she could not check the IP due to them being from another site. Sorry for my confusion...all this code talking keeps me confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:42:34 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...

thanks vms...  :salut:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:44:25 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...

I have that morse code thingy someplace translated.  Darn it! I know it's here somewhere.  BTW are we thinking this person is male or female?  I am trying to figure out why Freddy seemed so important to Merian.  If Merian and Simian are the same person then that means that Simian could have also been talking about Freddy being the 5th person, as Mum has suggested.  I was just trying to make the pieces fit...sorry for the confusion..slinking back to my corner again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:44:47 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.

We just assumed back then that he used the Morse Code conversion online. Same way we decoded it back to the written word when he posted it.

it's certainly possible, but out of the millions of posts and thousands of posters, he / she is the only one to use that format... it's interesting none the less.

and the message was surely bizarre, but hey, what isn't??? LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:46:25 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...

thanks vms...  :salut:



I had all his posts in a word doc but lost them in a hard drive crash. I know DaninTx had that doc, if anyone still communicates with him. I've emailed another former codetalker I still talk to. She may have it. We'll see...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-



ELPADRE
...OOSANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVE.-...ED


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:51:42 PM
Here is that code.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


post before - 4 day gap between posts.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Close...
The Palace has rules. The cowboys need to understand this. They have to wait for the Babylonians to open the coker.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

The whisperer in the line, now.

post after

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:56:17 PM
Robert Heinlein bio - this might be who he / she is referring. I believe this is the right person.

http://members.aol.com/agplusone/robert_a._heinlein_a_biogr.htm


quote from bio site
Quote
"Life-Line" turned out very nearly perfect in terms of story structure and prosodic technique and a classical tragedy of a man who is martyred for Truth, his downfall bought about (with some slight misdirection) by his own tragic flaw. It was, by the standards of a later day, somewhat stiff, but Heinlein recognized that it was head-and- shoulders above the usual offerings of Thrilling Wonder Stories, so he sent it instead to John W. Campbell, Jr., at Astounding Science-Fiction.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 04:02:52 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-



ELPADRE
...OOSANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVE.-...ED
. .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. . ... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


. .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .  ... --- --- -. .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .. .-.. . -..

top code Merian - bottom code is the way it should appear. Minor differences and vms is probably right that it went thru a translator and it made some mistakes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

Merian posted here. at SM on the boards. I remember it quite well.

HERE IS DAN IN TEXAS' ANALYSIS OF THE POSTS BY MERIAN ERNEST.


Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: This yellowhammer has flown her own course
The Babylonians' hands are tied. The owners of the hammer and the block will come down hard. The hours in the glass are 72.

The girl was carried by the Carib on a trip to the Canal. She was swept away on her own. So they seem to think.

The Picaros are too busy to pull off such a job. It is beyond there scope.

The one crowned with laurels has been turned inside and out. He even asked for forgiveness.

This yellowhammer has flown her own course.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

I have seen too many claims of cover-up with no basis at all. The boy's father is just a judicial official and is not anybody important to that degree that the prosecutor's office is goig to risk it all to protect. Too many people involved. That is just stupid. The Arubans in the office will gladly hang a Dutchman to make this go away. The thing is that they can't.

The facts remains: there is no leading evidence, there is no crime scene, there is no corpus delicti, there is no crime. Simple. What if this boy is innocent? What if she stumbled drunk into the ocean, swan out too far and drowned? That would be the simplest explanation. Is the American media creating another Richard Jewel?

All Arubans are asking is for everybody to respect our laws. Respect our Dutch/European system that is older than most in the world. If a judge decides on a case, it must be respected. You can always appeal.

As to our tourism. It is as important to us as the American Media is to the corporations who cash in on them. Aruba will survive. Sensible Americans know better. The too many American multi-nationals who have their money invested in us will see to that.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Respect our laws...
All Arubans are saying is to respect our laws. If Jug and Beth have so much proof than maybe they should be questioned. Calling people criminals without evidence is a against the law in itself. A mother's intituition will not hold up in court.


On another note: the FBI has been in this since DAY 1. Since DAY 1. Since before 24 hours have passed of the disappearence.

Has anybody around here stopped to think that the girl may have gone swimming? Drunk as she was, she went out too far and was swept away by the current. That is not even that difficult to imagine. It is certainly much easier than trying to convict a boy with no leading evidence, no crime scene and no corpus delicti. Innocent until proven guilty.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: Not true...
Sorry miamiMD. That is not true. Unlike other parts of the world we do not put victims on trial in the Aruba/Dutch system.



The only question that must be asked is: was there a crime?

That is it. The calls made between the Kalpoes and Joran only substantiate the brothers' claims. They just gave Joran and his girlfriend a ride. The two were necking in the backseat and the older Kalpoe said he didn't find that cool.

Joran has testified that he did have sex with Natalee on the beach and that he left her there. He walked home and got there in 40 minutes. Which also coincides with his logging on his computer and the distance it takes to get to his house.

This has all been reported in the news in Aruba.

For some reason the mother claims the girl is/was a virgin. and she didn't drink either. All other accounts state the opposite.

What is wrong?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: The hand that feeds...
If you would do your research correctly you will see that 90% of the hotels are owned by American multi-nationals. So the hand actually feeds itself.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: Not even...
Not even an American kid lost in the Bible Belt will get this much coverage. That is also very sad.

How does anybody know a crime has been committed?

Why did Joran lie? Maybe because he didn't want his parents to know he left the house without their consent?

If Beth and Jug have all this proof they should present it to authorities. If they have evidence of a cover-up they shold present to the Interpol.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject: Warning?
A travel warning? For what?

For accidental drowning, because that is the most reasonable explanation until now. she was drunk and/or stoned went for a swim, went too far and got swept away by the current. Has anybody in here considered that? It doesn't seem like it can even be proven that a crime was committed.

By the way, as persuasive as the Holloways might be, Aruba is basically owned by American multi-national companies. They will protect their investment. The Americans need the Americans to keep coming to Aruba so everybody can keep making money.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: DAY 1
The FBI has been in Aruba since DAY 1. Less than 24 hours after the girl went missing. Usually when an person older than 18 goes missing, the Police have to wait 48 hours before taking any action.

Aruba has agreed to ANYTHING the Holloways suggested. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. Going to the BRINK of jurisdiction, which could play in favor of the defendant should the case ever go to trial.

The American media has turned this in sensationalist story that is hurting everybody.

I hope the average American can get things moving in their own country to find their lost kids.

Everybody must start considering that this girl is not in Aruba anymore.



Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: This is like shooting a fly with a cannon!
What do you people don't understand?

Nothing has been found yet. Nothing. This is like shooting a fly with a cannon! F-16's, Texas Equusearch, Navy Deep Sea Divers, Dutch Marines, US Senator, Dutch Embassador and what's next? Satellite photos?

The girl can't be found. There is no leading evidence. There isn't. Has anybody thought that this must be analyzed in a new light? Maybe the boy is innocent. As a matter of fact that is the premise. Innocent until proven guilty.

As for those who make my island to be something it is not, I hope that one day you can come take a look for yourself and than form your opinion. Maybe you should ask the CNN and Fox teams, they seam to be having a great time.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: Our problem is with the networks...
I did not really agree with the idea of protesting either. However, the intention was to let the cable news networks know that we feel they are slandering the name of the island by twisting the truths about this case. It had nothing to do with the Holloways. As a matter of fact the only person who cried "Americans go home!" was an American lady herself who has been living in Aruba and raised her children here. She was very emotional.

The networks are making it seem as though Aruba, its government, its Police Force, its businesses and its people are hardly doing enough to find Natalee. All of the Holloway family's needs are taken care of by local businesses. We embraced them and we let them know we feel their pain. We did not ask for anything in return. Not even respect.

No Aruban is slandering Natalee in the local papers, radio or TV, we do not even get a chance on CNN to properly explain our laws and system. The networks get North American "experts" to criticize our system as opposed to explaining it. My people are made to look like fools by the media, while failing to mention that all our professionals are educated in the US and Europe.

They accuse us of allowing underage drinking. We do not allow underage drinking. Our laws are different, because we have a different society. If you are 18 in Aruba you are of age and responsible for your own acts. You are allowed to vote and are obligated to join the Dutch Marines. So our lawmakers feel that if you are allowed to decide you country's fate and are asked to die for it, you should be able to order a beer and smoke a cigarette. To put things in perspective. In the US you are allowed to drive at 16. In Aruba you have to wait until you are 18. Nobody claims you are allowing underage driving.

If you could have followed this from the perspective of people on the island you would know that the truth is completely different. I can hear the F-16's flying over my house the whole day. Did you know that any loved one of mine will not get the treatment if they were lost in Aruba?

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: Matthew
Matthew is an ordinary criminal. Sentenced as such for battery and a slew of other crimes. Left one man crippled for life. Look it up in Aruban newspapers.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: Get it right...


With leading evidence and a confession there can be a case without a body...

Karen Janssen herself prosecuted a case like that in The Netherlands.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: Tuesdays have no character
All along the guards cried. The checkmate was a joke. The boy is a foul mouthed fool.

The elder drags his feet on the pavement. A shadow of his former self. The keys to the palace have been taken from him, yet he still remembers the passage ways.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: Thursday will be an ingrown nail to Sam...
The island let out a laugh last night. The jet ski boy is in the land of the Cariocas. The newspaper called 'friend'.

Maybe it is true after all. It's so hard too find someone that doesn't want to be found.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look. A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture. Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: Centennial Park
Doesn't anybody here remember who Richard Jewell is?

As far as foreighners not having the same rights as compared to when they are in their own county...damn right they don't. US Citizens should especially bear that in mind

**Question from poster: JetSki Boy. = locoman?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: Thursday is a day with no character...
Who snatched the body? The mutts seem to think it was there.

Obstruction anybody? Cowboys don't have badges.

There's a well in the back. Who will go and look?

No codes for the wicked.

whos mutts - Van Der Straaten stepped infront of SAR and told them to leave.
Where are we talking about?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: Opposably Thumb...
This primate ain't no boy. Too many doppelgangers. What's in a name?

Swinging from a building ain't easy. Merian has many babylonian friends. Primates are not indigenous to the land, but make no mistake still a cousin to the great Cacique Macuarima.

Look tomorrow for the Palace will rumble. Eyes burning in the xenon. Rotten packages from The Hague will make or break the losers. The palace servants have to choose sides now and avoid embarrasement.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. (TETE's refers to smuggling)

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Know the passage...
Read with care. Forked tongues with framed reputations on their walls. Crawling in the palace looking for trapdoors and cracks in the floor.

Do not be surprised. Only the package from The Hague holds the thin layers of answers. Never has mail been so late.

ShocktheMonkey Says: June 25th, 2005 at 9:08 pm To my faithful believers:

This may be my last post. But I'll tell you what's going on. The younger VDS did it. No admission of guilt yet, but witnesses to prove. Awaiting DNA results to confirm will be soon. Two more possible arrests. DJ was the "Vessel". Sorry for cryptic message, but my job is on the line. Still I remain true to you bloggers and the truth shall set us free. A mystery is only as mysterious as the mind allows it to be. Sometimes the truth is right in front of your face .

And then there's his answer to Greta that he didn't know any of the three...
I just don't buy it. His story makes no sense!

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: Do not confuse...
The Simian called out names like bifrons. Nobody else.

Listen closely today. The Babylonians are grinning after a long while.

The phones have been hacked. Dots on dish. The rotten package from The Hague.

Choose sides now to avoid embarrassment. The checkmate is set again.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: Who is Simian?
The lines flow easily. Full sentences.

Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish. The thing is that it came back to haunt you.

Little altars built into their rooms. Only one rested, while the other went to the aide of foul mouthed one. Bite your tongue off now.

The elder is half the man he used to be. Dragging his feet on the lonely streets.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: The stage is set...
Third act is set to play. The rotten package from The Hague is screaming to be heard.


Do not sell your hard earned opinions. It might be time to eat your words.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: The waves are hot again...
Chewed up tongue need to be freed. Bouncing 'round on the beach.

The babylonians' reputation is shining in he sun.

Who wants Damocles' chair?

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: GSM Orwellian
What is wrong? The brothers had to be separated. The Babylonians have layed it thick and hard, but couldn't get what they asked for.

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help. The Babylonians knew he was a bifrons. He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.

People do not lose faith in the Babylonians.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: The whisperer knows...
A new line has been set. The clock re-arranged. Ha! Antennas that talk about what they saw. They know he went back, but what did he do?

The voulchers with their xenons don't even understand this.


Dutch bugs zooming by fast. So fast they don't make a sound.

The head Babylonian likes the old cowboy and tells him secrets so he can ride longer. Do remember that the cowboys don't have badges. They should not trespass. Silent witnesses can be thrown out of the courtroom.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Se habla español...
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."

Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject: One by one the pieces are arriving...
The chief Babylonian is narrowing it down for the cowboys. He needs their help.

Look tomorrow as Gutenberg's children will tell all about The Hague.

The head doctor is puzzled by the boy. How can such a thing live inside of him. Foul mouthed, swollen and bittten, but he is strong.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about.

Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch...grid by grid.

ALLYINMIAMI Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject:
Listen everyone, i apologize if i offend any of u, so if i do, please just ignore me...This is not Simiam...I now know for a fact. This person is trying to lure u....to demonstrate that we are followers...Again, I am sorry, i do not intend to hurt any of u..But the real one always responds to me in certain manner, and he hasn't, it is our Code and this new "Simian" does not know it....

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: Tuna on toast...
The Sabana Basora case is over. The girl confessed to chomping away at her fears. The first cut is always the deepest. The question is if she is a bifrons too. And not alone either.

That quisquella related slaying had nothing to with anything with the yellowhammer.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: Soc & Prot
So many people seem to be obsessed with the Simian. Even the santería overlord with the corny chopped verses.

"That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?"

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Close...
The Palace has rules. The cowboys need to understand this. They have to wait for the Babylonians to open the coker.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

The whisperer in the line, now.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: Special people...special interests
The Orange one is for show. Those that live below the sea are good people.

Sir Thomas More isn't the only one who is crying bloody murder. Paradise is not lost, because the hand feeds itself, will not bite itself.

The Dutch hand and the Gringo hand will wash each other. They are both attached to the same body.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Phidippides
The question is if there will be end to the journey? Her fate is no worse than the secret contained in Richard Drew marvel.

Third acts have no upside.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: Papi the Butterfly
The journey may be far, but it will be short. The dead end is another dead-end. It repels water as do duck feathers.

There's no breath left. It is hard to find things that don't want to be found.

Choose sides now, before embarrassment is unavoidable. The croupiers know the boy knew the Yellowhammer. They told the Babylonians so.

Too many detractors. Stick to the story. Read the hours of The Simian's words and see if they fit.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: The Simian
The simplest explanation.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.



The Simian does not boast. Tread slowly as the Hindus were brutal during the confrontation. Who stuck to their story after all?

The Yellowhammer has flown, but the bifrons is not on the loose. The silent antennas have spoken, but they have forked tongues too.

Who will sit in Damocles' chair?


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: The flight of Mictlantecutli
Being the one who ate and not the one who warmed the food. From the pan into the fire.

The Simian knows the whisperer. The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.

The Tracy is going from door to door. Doesn't understand how Janus sleeps at the door of the Arawaks. Never pretend you understand.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: Wake up to the jaguar's glow.
Multi fractions spell democracy to the Simian. The tyranny of duality does not live in the conuco. Yes or no are not the only answers.

Pick up the pieces and make an island. Only the one who chopped it down understands. Sell your convictions to try and understand. Start anew, a new man.

Who says the one who broke is the one who knows? Look by the haystack in the small hours.

They live in the conuco, but they are the only ones who can open the palace doors. The federales should be careful not to grease the palace floors. The robed ones will squeeze an escape through passageways used once before.

The checkmate is the same the tables might have turned. There are no donkeys or mules in chess only horses.


Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: The rise of Eurydice
Garding the door is Janus still. Who is strong, never broken and never will. Do not mock, for those who unknowingly cut their hands with swords have pure hearts.

The Simian did not fill the saliña with water or mud. Many want to engage, yet defeated will not admit. Not a little, not a lot.

One after the other one stone will tumble the next. In a game of men a lot is said. Papi the Butterfly had the hand for double play and broke the game. Speak now and save Ganga's face.

Who heeded the jaguar's rising? The noble son of the sun breaking through.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: Oggun is having the last laugh...
The god with the misspelled name has led many astray.

The xenon lights have tilted the Babylonians. The one who holds the hammer and the block are angry with themselves.

See the first prose of the Simian. It precedes all. Still to this day, there are too many detractors. The Simian is sad to see his own words used against him.

The human form of Merian will be consumed very soon. When the blessings of Emily are sent to the sea.

The whisperer will be on the line. Again.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: Eurydice
Sorry, John Neely, if the Yellowbird is found all will be known.

The hours are winding down. As Emily is sent to the sea, clearing the path for the Babylonians.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: Dubbelspel
Choose sides to avoid embarrassment.

The boy bit his tongue. For he is water as to the blood of the others. Ganga is hanging her head down.

The silent antennas have spoken of the forked tongues.

You see, the dogs found the grid. The cowboys should have unleashed them. That was a mistake. Gloat is the enemy of many brilliant men.





















Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:19:15 PM
Stellaris Casino General
Manager Michael Rock
and
his family this evening. Mr.
Rock has been appointed
to the position of General
Manager of the renowned
JW Marriott Hotel in
Mexico City.
The
festivities then continued
late into the evening as 14
year old Jimmy Rock ce
lebrated his birthday by
dancing the night away with
many of his friends from
the International School of
Aruba.



(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4589/image485lp9.jpg)

JIMMY ROCK (HIS FATHER IS MICHAEL ROCK IS PARTYING WITH VALENTIJN VAN DER SLOOT)






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Pita,

See what you can find out about this apt.

"The search team scoured the Abandoned Atlantis Apartment complex located less than ½ mile away from
the Aruba Racquet Club where a possible witness places the three suspects."

I have a map of the area, but I'm waiting for CAPS to help fill us in if he will.
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:21:36 PM
As I understand it from Klaas if these posts were in the forum she can not search them.  She told me this...I am not making it up guys.  She said unless she can search them and find them herself in the forum she can not check the IP addy and compare it to Simian's.  I am just telling you what Klaas has told me...I am sure you can ask her if you don't believe me.  I have read them and know about them..but I am more interested in finding out the IP info than what they say...that would tell us if  Simian and Merian are one and the same..or at the least using the same computer.  I know they are using the same email address...that is not my assumption...it is what Klaas has told me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 04:22:21 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01002&read=6937


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
Here is that code.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


post before - 4 day gap between posts.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Close...
The Palace has rules. The cowboys need to understand this. They have to wait for the Babylonians to open the coker.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

The whisperer in the line, now.

post after

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.


Mum found some interesting info on that reference to the orange regal visage.  I hope she sees this and posts that info again.  It was something I had not seen before.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:25:17 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 04:28:16 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL

I saw Rufo Solongier's son the night before.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:30:36 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL

I saw Rufo Solongier's son the night before.  ::MonkeyEek::

HMMMM!! Now that is interesting. You should email me. cindoal@yahoo.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:34:53 PM
Pita,

See what you can find out about this apt.

"The search team scoured the Abandoned Atlantis Apartment complex located less than ½ mile away from
the Aruba Racquet Club where a possible witness places the three suspects."

I have a map of the area, but I'm waiting for CAPS to help fill us in if he will.
 

Pita posted this the other day:

Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 05:18:04 PM
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono.jpg)

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 05:18:19 PM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)

Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   


Follow the music (rock?)  Grabbing straws here, but anything is possible.  Also wasn't those people from Mexico who called and told Dave to meet them somewhere and they never showed up?  It was somewhere in (I thought Mexico.)
jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 05:29:29 PM
Very very nice Pita...

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 05:30:56 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 05:41:56 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 06:09:13 PM
As I understand it from Klaas if these posts were in the forum she can not search them.  She told me this...I am not making it up guys.  She said unless she can search them and find them herself in the forum she can not check the IP addy and compare it to Simian's.  I am just telling you what Klaas has told me...I am sure you can ask her if you don't believe me.  I have read them and know about them..but I am more interested in finding out the IP info than what they say...that would tell us if  Simian and Merian are one and the same..or at the least using the same computer.  I know they are using the same email address...that is not my assumption...it is what Klaas has told me.


 

The Murder of Natalee Holloway

Natalee Updates  from June 18, 2007 and forward are in The Vault
 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

~ SETI @Home~
 

MERIAN ERNEST POSTINGS ANNOTATED

USO's =  Ocean-Diving, (Waterproof ) UFOs

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm
Primates are not indigenous to the land
maybe he's a Space critter

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm
The well is full of technicalities.
The "well"in Aruba,  if it's near the quarry, is a USO reception hall
FIND_THE_HOLE

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Know the passage...
Read with care. Forked tongueswith framed reputations on their walls.
Crawling in the palace looking for trapdoors and cracks in the floor.
THE_POLICE_DONT_HAVE_HUMAN_SOULS

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:24 am
The phones have been hacked. Dots on dish. .
Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish.

SETI

The thing is that it came back to haunt you.
The elder is half the man he used to be.
Who is the co-pilot?

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject:
The stage is set...
Third act is set to play.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:29 pm
Post subject: The waves are hot again...

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm
Post subject: GSM Orwellian
but Big Brother didn't expect a mutiny within the ranks

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help.
GAS BUDDIES and SETI@HOME and SANDRAK
The Babylonians knew he was a bifrons.
BIFRONS, a great earl, (The Earl of Hell) appears in a monstrous form,
but assumes the human shape when commanded.
he changes dead bodies, puts them in other places,
and lights phantom candles on their graves.
(and switches souls too)
He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.
(see our Natalee Clues for many, many messages about "Bill"

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:
The whisperer knows...
(the "grey" Whisperer)
 Ha! Antennas that talk about what they saw.
SETI claims they have never received an ET communication
But apparently SETI must have picked up the unfortunate transaction with Natalee,
The arrival of the guests into the quarry
The dogs were so close
Dutch bugs zooming by fast. So fast they don't make a sound.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."
Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.
The head doctor is puzzled by the boy. How can such a thing live inside of him.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:
They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta.
Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about.
Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch...grid by grid.
 

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm
Nobody knows. Nobody.
The whisperer in the line, now.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject:
Special people...special interests
Those that live below the sea are good people.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject:
 Just head for that big star straight on.
 The silent antennas have spoken, but they have forked tongues too.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject:
The Simian knows the whisperer. The heirs of Nikola.
see HAARP GRID
The Tracy is going from door to door.
Doesn't understand how Janus sleeps at the door of the Arawaks.
 Never pretend you understand.
Marien is talking about ETs, E.L.F. microwave antennas ("dots on the dish") and
*JANUS 123
JANUS 123 are the wild and crazy coverts that worked at the old area 51.
I was advised in a snarky email once:
"123 always watch us".... us ?

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject:
Wake up to the jaguar's glow.
Start anew, a new man.

Photo by Kathy Drenga of this man who followed her.
This is what one of those half -a-man-half -something-else "projects" look like.
 

Look by the haystack in the small hours.
They live in the conuco,
 The robed ones will squeeze an escape through passageways used once before.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:09 am
Garding the door is Janus still. .
Who heeded the jaguar's rising?
The human form of Merian will be consumed very soon.
When the blessings of Emily are sent to the sea.
The whisperer will be on the line. Again.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 pm
The boy bit his tongue.
For he is water as to the blood of the others.
The silent antennas have spoken of the forked tongues.
You see, the dogs found the grid.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:23 pm
More will unravel as the Jaguar leans into the sea.

November 20, 2003
 WE'RE_DISCUSSING_THE_DUTCH
 HEY_MISTERS---_THE_GREAT_TEARS_ARE_COMIN
 GET_EARL_HE_KNOWS_A_LITTLE_BIT---remember, bifrons is the Earl of hell
 IS_HE_BY_THE_POOL? (other)_HE'S_NEAR THE COFFEE,_CALL_CHARLI_TO_LOOK.
 (Earl:) I_DECIDE
 _long_belch---_THE_COMMIES_ARE_COMING.
 ---STAY_BY_YA_WHEN_ITS_TROUBLE
 WHAT'S_THE_MISTER_TALKING_ABOUT_(other)_THE_JAGUAR.
 COMET_NEXT
THEY_POSTED A MAP AT_THE_CARNIVAL.
 
 

Merian wants to leave this form soon.

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OK, SO IT NEVER WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT DEAD HUMANS TALKING.
BUT YOU KNEW THAT, right?
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April 2005

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(this is the Navy's HAARP LIGHT.  It is arranged in what is called a WOODPECKER GRID
(re: Marien Ernest a "yellowhammer" is a woodpecker)
The HAARP LIGHT was aimed at Aruba and visable there on the night Natalee went missing. ..verified

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The Prayer Breakfast, "Family" "Fellowship" ppl are involved in this.
The Shagno stuff was about their part in it which has to do with procuring victims like Natalee for "projects".
They first put the victims thru their rituals, summoning helpers like bifrons.
The victim is often killed and the snuff film made to ensure the silence of the perps participating in it.
Read about BOHEMIAN GROVE  see the OWL?
This is why our recent Natalee clues keep talking about ppl who are "OWLS"
this is what happened to Natalee

Such as was the case with Paulus Van Der Sloot.
Whom I believe killed her during a snuff film
"NATALEE_ABRAISED_IN_THE_FOREHEAD"
I guess he was due for some rite of passage
and now
according to Marian Ernest
he's only HALF a man
This ritual must be to put some alien's soul in the driver's seat.
Give them physicality.

That's enuf to make anybody sweat.

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Photo by Kathy Drenga

Aruban Grafitti Wall

Depiction of an ET on the Aruban Grafitti Wall

Roswell aliens theory revived by deathbed confession

AFFIDAVIT OF GLENN DENNIS

Forget UFOs, something fishy is going on in the Caribbean.
Unidentified Submersed Objects

Felix Rivera is a diver with an underwater salvage company based near the American Naval Air Station which adjoins El Yunque, one of many U.S. bases on the island. He confirmed to me that UFOs and USOs have frequently been observed often by American military personnel.

Puerto Rico is also host to the unique radio-telescope at Arecibo, a natural crater turned into the parabolic bowl of a gigantic receiving antenna - the largest and most sensitive radiotelescope in the world.

ONE of the acknowledged roles of Arecibo is as a listening post for alien lifeforms broadcasting from outer space. The project is known as SETI - the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence.

SEE MARIEN ERNEST DIALOG  re: SETI
 


DOG'S BLOOD RITUAL IN VENEZUELA

TWO CARACAS WOMEN NABBED IN RITUAL MURDER

A court in Caracas, the capital of Venezuela, "ordered the arrest of a 19-year-old woman and her 44- year-old mother for the alleged murder of a two-month-old baby during a Satanic ritual held Monday," September 12, 2005.

"The murder of the child--nephew and grandchild to the women--was committed in a poor neighborhood of Caracas," one of the largest cities in South America, "and was preceded by a ceremony, in which, according to the press, a dog was sacrificed and its blood poured over the participants."

"All versions of the story agree that the 'celebrant' of the ritual was Monica Castro, 19, the baby's aunt. The child was beaten to death after being subjected to chilling tortures."

"Castro told (Venezuelan) police that she was incited by her sister, Virginia, 29, the baby's mother, who was strangled 15 days ago under unclear circumstances. The mother allegedly ordered, from beyond the grave, that 'the child be slain to give its soul to the Devil.'"

According to police, "at the height of the ritual, Monica ran out into the street, nude and bathed in the dog's blood, screaming. Her shouts alarmed the neighbors, who called the police. The authorities arrived just in time to keep Monica from being lynched when the child's death was discovered."

"The court also ordered the arrest of Marisabel Suarez, her mother, for being present at the ceremony and doing nothing to stop it. A psychiatric examination has been ordered for Monica."

"Investigations began after a 15-year-old was arrested in the alleged murder of his mother, Miriam Padron, and of college student Lissbeth Quintero on August 10, 2005."

"The prosecutor's office recalled that Padron and Quintero were stabbed 37 times."

"Police found 'a variety of artifacts employed in performing Satanic rituals.'" (Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales y Jose Manuel Duran para esas noticias.)

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Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:37 pm
It’s horrible. He is a sociopath.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
Killing his own dogs. Dumping them is the reservoir........

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water.
They are confident in their equipment.
Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary.
From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk
The monkey is connected to a microwave.
The monsters have come to eat from the anguished/
The birdie has come down from the cable/
we have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:51 am
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters.

The dead dogs are stinking.
~
GRAPEFIELD, ARUBA-June 5, 2005 - Police in Aruba report finding a blood-soaked mattress during their search for a missing Alabama teen whose father has Arkansas ties and lives in Mississippi.
The deputy police chief says tests will be conducted on the mattress, which was found on a desolate island beach. More than two dozen Dutch marines combed the area, poking the sand with sticks.

The official said the bedding was found hours after authorities detained two men in the case.

~
As we now know, it was later reported that the mattress had been stained with DOG'S BLOOD

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~~  OLDER 2007 CLUES ~~

MARCH 14, 2007

 HOOTIE,_MY_EVIL_COOK_LADY,---_YOU_WERE_MAD_AT_OWL
Hootie: THE_PIE_IS_FOR_OUR_POLICE
 THIS_IS_ZULU_---HE_HAS_PROPERTY_ABOUT_YOU

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FEBRUARY 23, 2007

 CAN_THE_HOOTIE_OWL_COOK_GOOD ?--_HOLLOWAY
WE_SAW_HER_COMING,_LADY
 THE_TEENAGER_FALL_other_yells_I'M_IN_THE_WELL...
...UNDER_THE_MOUNTAIN

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January 31, 2007

Whole Thing 358K EvpMaker

Q: WHERE  IS "BABYLON" (other than Iraq) ?

 TOMB_OF_JESUS_---I'M_OFFENDED
THE_HOME_OF_THE_FREEZER
 KEPT_THE_COP'S_BODY_HERE
 HOME_OF_LORENZO'S_BODY
 WE_DO_WANT_THESE_PEOPLE_TO_GET_OFF_THE_BLOCK
STEVE_CROES_FOOLED_YA

 DEAD_COP_COULDN'T_SPEAK TODAY...
....BUT_SEEKS_CRUMBLED_FOOTBALL_TEAM

~recording reversed
Q: WHERE IS OR WHAT IS "BABYLON PALACE", THEN ?

LET_ALL_THE_SAILORS_SPEAK:
 THEY'RE_EVIL__THEY_MADE_GIRL'S_FOOTAGE
INVITE_THE_TALKING_LADY___HELP_ME

EDEN'S_AT_THE_HILTON
50_PEOPLE_HAVE_BECOME_ZOMBIES
THEY'RE_NOT_JUST_PEOPLE
 OPENED_UP_A_FAKE_COP_SHOP

reference: March 2006
THE_COPS_ARENT_HUMAN_SOULS

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 January 30, 2007

Whole Thing 424K

Q: WHO IS DIRTYHAND?

LORENZO
 A_FAMOUS_VISION
DO_YOU_DOUBT_THE_MEN_((feamle_whispers))_WITH_ME ?
WE_WATCHED_RANDALL_DESIGN_THE_MACHINE_GUN
GUN_MODEL_READY---_LEMME_SHOW_YA ?
IT_WAS_THE_POLICE_PEOPLE_---WORK_HARD_TO_CATCH_HIM
 QUARRY_DEAD
BILL_DUMPED_THE_POISON___POOR_FOOL
HOOTIE_UP_WATCHING_YOUR_POOL,_MOM
HER_MOM_DROWN_THAT'S_A_HUGE_THING ?
 HUMAN_DIE_HERE_FOR_TACOS
POLICE_SEE_THAT_MESSAGE_WAS_ABOUT_TACOS

~recording reversed
Q: WHO KILLED NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

SOME_ASSHOLE_KILLED_ME...
 ...THE_TUXEDO
 ASSHOLE
 HEY_NATALEE !
 THREE_MALES_SEIZED_PAUL
PAUL_AND_THE_O,_THEY_SNUFF_HER
 IDOL_HOLD_PUZZLE
 HAVE_A_GOOD_NIGHT_CHARLI
 STAY_ONERY

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Lorenzo Flashback

June 2005
WHY_WILL_THEY_NOT_LOOK
TRY_THE_OTHER_ONE
FIND_HOLE
WE_GO_IN_THE_HOLE_WITH_OXYGEN
SEE_LORENZO

October 2005
I_WARN_YOU
DON'T_EAT_THE_FOOD_AT_WILD_PARTY

December 2005
NOW_WE_DO_NOT_NEED_FOOD,_LARRY
(making fun of someone )_"OH,_MY_DILEMMA_HELP_ME...."
YOU_CAN'T_FIND_LORENZO
GOING_UP

April 2006
I_HAVE_LORENZO
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Natalee Holloway Messages 2005-2006

Hope this helps from Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 06:28:14 PM
lol....."the eyes of god look from afar with great acuity"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
Hilton=Wyndham?
fetid depths?
foundations shaking?
the Canadian comic strip?

start digging.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
Jack, you have my attention with that post.

Coffeepot has a dish.

and dots on a dish can only mean one thing. I too have seti on online and have not had a hit in 4 years. of well.
Interesting post anyway. And I have always wondered about coffeepot's locale. seems midwest...any idea?

coffeepot is fun and could even be linked to you!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 06:40:13 PM
saw this guy Bill:
http://www.ufomag.com/front/about.html

on a Discovery or History Channel special about U.S.O.'s (submerged objects).....and he said (almost quoting) that we need to be open to the idea of a civilization living beneath the sea....people indiginous to this planet, who have been here for perhaps thousands of years


sounds like something Merian Earnst said.......
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 06:41:34 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 06:48:29 PM
Pitavms maybe you should contact Armin. couldn't hurt. He got married a little while back - just a heads up...and minor info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 06:51:10 PM
Samir Daou

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono5.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/sdaou


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Doesn't Steve Croes have an uncle with the last name of Solognier?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 07:51:36 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Doesn't Steve Croes have an uncle with the last name of Solognier?

Yep, Rufo.

I also see an Armin Solognier apparently associated with the Caribbean Mercantile Bank.
Maybe Rob will give more details about this person.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 07:55:02 PM
SOLOGNIER, ARMIN EMORY

arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 08:06:42 PM
Armin Solognier's Videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier

Band Members

Armin Solognier, Arnold Mohamed, Derrick Werleman, Edward de Cuba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 08:10:07 PM
snipped...

Tambe a ser comparti cu esnan presente e noticia cu Caribbean Mercantile Bank N.V. a ser otorgá e Premio di Oro di Summit Awards International pa su “Annual Report 2005 – The Path of the Lion”. Un logro cu Sr. Lionel Capriles a comparti cu esnan presente y Sr. Armin Solognier (Marketing & Business Development Officer). 

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/social/news3.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
Some interesting friends these guys have...I have been perusing their friends and photos and I have seen a few names that ring bells...lots of bells. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 08:46:13 PM
Armin Solognier's Videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier

Band Members

Armin Solognier, Arnold Mohamed, Derrick Werleman, Edward de Cuba


Any relation to Ronchi de Cuba? Hmmmm.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:14:48 PM
Jack, you have my attention with that post.

Coffeepot has a dish.

and dots on a dish can only mean one thing. I too have seti on online and have not had a hit in 4 years. of well.
Interesting post anyway. And I have always wondered about coffeepot's locale. seems midwest...any idea?

coffeepot is fun and could even be linked to you!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



How so, Rob? I know nothing about that stuff.  Just ran accross it.  Thought someone might glean something from it.    Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:16:59 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sounds like I heard so.  His mother's sister marry this dude?  He was a cop?

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Doesn't Steve Croes have an uncle with the last name of Solognier?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:19:01 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Seems like I heard that.  His (Steve's mom's bro?  a cop?)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
From Wild Fire's website:

Wild Fire shocks Aruba at the AMS 2007
Wednesday, June 13, 2007
Last Sunday, June 10, at the Aruba Model Search 2007, Wild Fire unleashed their pent up fury in the form of “Kill Your MTV”. A medley of 80’s Rock and Metal acts pasted together in their own



Sights of Café Chaos March 30, 2007
Thursday, April 5, 2007
These cool photos were taken by Samir Daou, who visited us from Curaçao especially for the gig. He also joined Derrick for a rousing rendition of “Whole Lotta Love”.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:38:55 PM
saw this guy Bill:
http://www.ufomag.com/front/about.html

on a Discovery or History Channel special about U.S.O.'s (submerged objects).....and he said (almost quoting) that we need to be open to the idea of a civilization living beneath the sea....people indiginous to this planet, who have been here for perhaps thousands of years


sounds like something Merian Earnst said.......
 ::MonkeyEek::

"....and the sea gave up her dead..."


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 09:43:35 PM
saw this guy Bill:
http://www.ufomag.com/front/about.html

on a Discovery or History Channel special about U.S.O.'s (submerged objects).....and he said (almost quoting) that we need to be open to the idea of a civilization living beneath the sea....people indiginous to this planet, who have been here for perhaps thousands of years


sounds like something Merian Earnst said.......
 ::MonkeyEek::

"....and the sea gave up her dead..."


"Not all primates are indigenous to the land"   -Merian


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 09:50:35 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL

I saw Rufo Solongier's son the night before.  ::MonkeyEek::

Would that have been Armin?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
CURACAO BOWLING ASSOCIATION
Sta. Rosa 1,
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles


President:
Samir Daou

http://www.cuboa.com/Main/Contact%20Us.html
http://www.cuboa.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:11:12 PM
Armin Solognier and Cedric (Ricky) Kock “Leon di Oro” for 2007   
Thursday, 17 January 2008 

PALM BEACH – Last Friday the Noord Branch of the Caribbean Mercantile Bank held the traditional event to start the New Year with the “Fresh Start.” The event commemorates 2 employees with the “Leon di Oro” (the Golden Lion) for their outstanding work in the previous year.
The Noord Branch was filled with 262 employees to whom the achievements and the results of 2007 were presented confirming that the year was a record year surpassing all the records of the previous years 
 Also presented during the event were the vision and focus of the bank for this current year and beyond.
The management of the Caribbean Mercantile Bank, Bill Carson, Roberto Dijkhoff and Javier Wolter mentioned how proud they were of the results and their staff especially focussing on the consistency, efficiency and effectiveness of all the employees.
The growth of the bank was once again formidable in 2007 confirming their position as the leading bank in the Aruban community.
This year two ‘Lions’ were nominated for the highest recognition in the bank; Armin Solognier for his involvement in charitable work and his production of marketing campaigns for the bank and Cedric (Ricky) Kock who is in charge of the coordination of the ATM machines breaking records for ‘reliability & performance.’
Ricky is also actively involved with music promoting the folkloric and cultural aspects of Aruba with his group “Ola Tropical” as well as with his New Years Dande Band.
The party at the Noord Branch was pleasantly surprised when Franklin Granadillo, the composer of the latest CMB Jingle “Biba Mihor” (live better), when he gave a life performance of the jingle on his trumpet.
The management of the CMB congratulates the winners Armin and Ricky with their recognition of the 2007 “Leon di Oro.”
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=1


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:32:24 PM
Lorenzo?


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono6.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono7.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono8.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:06:05 PM
I saw that...a party at Lorenzos...I was afraid to say anything...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 11:21:54 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono9.jpg) (http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:24:57 PM
If this guy is 35 could he be Rufo's brother maybe?  Which would then make him Steve's uncle too.  Where are the genealogy people when you need them?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:36:11 PM
Why does the name Werleman ring a bell?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 11:39:02 PM
I want to know if Armin graduated from Colegio Arubano...


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

**********

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:53:16 PM
I want to know if Armin graduated from Colegio Arubano...


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

**********

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

He went to some kind of music school..let me see if I can find that again...I read it a few hours ago.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 22, 2008, 12:12:07 AM

I'll go so far as to say that
Satish may not be part of the "official" suspect count

he was part of the lineup that night
but may have been viewed by the ethical ALE faction
as nothing more than a tag-along

perhaps the count begins w/ J/K2 = 2 (rather than 3)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 22, 2008, 12:21:34 AM
I want to know if Armin graduated from Colegio Arubano...


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

**********

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

Colegio Aruba yearbooks..

1977-1985
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/photo6.html

1978-1990's
http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/

I see Gino Hodge in there but apparently too young to be Simian ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 12:32:59 AM
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac.

Wild Fire website..."made on a Mac"

http://www.wildfirearuba.com/Wild%20Fire%20Aruba.html

You have to scroll to the next page...printed at bottom.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 22, 2008, 12:34:47 AM
Here ya go Caps..You probably have read this blog but it made some interesting reading..GinoX and Pietjezz  ::MonkeyWink::

http://tinyurl.com/6lovjr


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 12:35:22 AM
I am not very good with math...but would that make Armin 17 in 1990?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 12:54:01 AM
Name: Armin Solognier
Age: 36
Hometown: Oranjestad

http://arminsolo.hyves.net/?pageid=515LXD2H9M8S4GSC0


**********


Domain Name: wildfirearuba.com
Created on..............: Thu, Apr 05, 2007

http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?verification=6921&domain=wildfirearuba.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 01:15:44 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Finbar on April 22, 2008, 01:17:33 AM
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…

 :wink: 



Many vowels are placed upon my lips that never crossed.

I said, 'shake the tree and see who falls out. It may lead to the fifth.

Besides, I never laid claim that the Crows monkey would fall from it(but it might too). Maybe another related monkey.

Shake this...
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/v/r/i/Georgina-F-Vrieswijk/index.html

Many Crows in that tree. AG. Maduro, Solagnier, de Wit, Arends, Dijkhoff, Eman, Gomez, Kelly, Koch, LACLE, Lampe, Tromp, ODUBER, and my fave...







VAN DER SLOOT.


Maybe the O name was dropped in confidence, but the last was not, I bet.

Maybe exposing personal and sensitive insurance search results leaves some in a dilemma of legalities. Not to mention what might fall from the family tree.

Small island. Closed community. Many inter-related.

Ever ponder the phrase, "Steve Croes will not be sacrificed"? Wonder why not?

The odds that they are not related is slim. No one on the planet can be more than a 52nd cousin, to another.

Most likely first or second cousins at the most.

On an island of 70,000 that is largely closed for a large period of time leaves - cousins.

Ok, now you are going to tell me that Sloot is a common name? LOL.

This group is a bunch of ANGELS! TEAM work like this will bring forth many answers.

We need a name. That's it! The ANGEL TEAM!


Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 22, 2008, 01:53:11 AM
 
:shock: :shock: :shock:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 22, 2008, 04:12:55 AM

which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  :wink:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 22, 2008, 06:27:49 AM
Why does the name Werleman ring a bell?

Van der Sloot maid's statement.......

On Thursday, August 11, 2005, around 18:55, we, took a statement, interrogated the witness:

Margaritha WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF,

Born on Aruba on March 10, 1954, aid in the household (independent) and living more closely Wolf xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba. Her statement was given in papiamento, and was translated by me, JACOBS, to Dutch and placed on record.

On your question how long have I worked for the Van Der Sloot family, I answer you the following:

I have worked ( 8 ) years at family Van Der Sloot. I work as from Monday up to and including Friday for them. I do not work on Saturday and Sunday at family Van Der Sloot. I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot. With family VDS, I mean the parents of the detained man "Joran Van Der Sloot". (meaning the suspect "Joran Van Der Sloot"; observation JACOBS).

On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following:
I work on Monday from 08.00 till 12.00.
I work on Tuesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Wednesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Thursday from 13.30 till 15.30
and I work on Friday from 13.30 till 17.30 at family Van Der Sloot
As you can see I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot with exception of Thursday because then I work only two (2) hours.

On your question if the family Van Der Sloot has another aid in the household, answer I you no. I am the only aid in the household at the family Van Der Sloot. They do not have an aid in the household on Saturday and Sunday when I do not work for them. On your question if I know of a Spanish speaking aid at the family Van Der Sloot my answer is no.  I have also never seen a Spanish speaking aid at the household of Van Der Sloot.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer these.

M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF

After I, JACOBS, read the declaration to the witness M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF in papiamento that was translated to Dutch, the witness signed them.

This is our statement, on oath of office made up this proces-verbaal, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 11, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,

D.D. JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=268.0



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
Why does the name Werleman ring a bell?

Van der Sloot maid's statement.......

On Thursday, August 11, 2005, around 18:55, we, took a statement, interrogated the witness:

Margaritha WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF,

Born on Aruba on March 10, 1954, aid in the household (independent) and living more closely Wolf xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba. Her statement was given in papiamento, and was translated by me, JACOBS, to Dutch and placed on record.

On your question how long have I worked for the Van Der Sloot family, I answer you the following:

I have worked ( 8 ) years at family Van Der Sloot. I work as from Monday up to and including Friday for them. I do not work on Saturday and Sunday at family Van Der Sloot. I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot. With family VDS, I mean the parents of the detained man "Joran Van Der Sloot". (meaning the suspect "Joran Van Der Sloot"; observation JACOBS).

On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following:
I work on Monday from 08.00 till 12.00.
I work on Tuesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Wednesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Thursday from 13.30 till 15.30
and I work on Friday from 13.30 till 17.30 at family Van Der Sloot
As you can see I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot with exception of Thursday because then I work only two (2) hours.

On your question if the family Van Der Sloot has another aid in the household, answer I you no. I am the only aid in the household at the family Van Der Sloot. They do not have an aid in the household on Saturday and Sunday when I do not work for them. On your question if I know of a Spanish speaking aid at the family Van Der Sloot my answer is no.  I have also never seen a Spanish speaking aid at the household of Van Der Sloot.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer these.

M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF

After I, JACOBS, read the declaration to the witness M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF in papiamento that was translated to Dutch, the witness signed them.

This is our statement, on oath of office made up this proces-verbaal, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 11, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,

D.D. JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=268.0




Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 07:47:22 AM
Pita,

See what you can find out about this apt.

"The search team scoured the Abandoned Atlantis Apartment complex located less than ½ mile away from
the Aruba Racquet Club where a possible witness places the three suspects."

I have a map of the area, but I'm waiting for CAPS to help fill us in if he will.
 


Bump...for Pita and Caps....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 08:03:44 AM


Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...



Good morning, Mum.

I'm trying to connect dots.  :lol:



If you go here (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html#comment-7104991) and click on Merian Ernest's name, you will see his email address.


Then I found this:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono2.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)



Which led to Armin Solognier & Samir Daou.

Does that make sense?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 08:06:08 AM
Lala's...was this the one?

« Reply #663 on: January 01, 2008, 07:15:39 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This post has been bothering me ever since I started reading here and when Rembrandt was mentioned this week on the other thread, I decided to revisit it.
       ----------------------------------------------------------

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

If you search Rembrandt and florin and coin, you'll get lots of hits, but I don't think this one has anything to do with Lorenzo. On the back of all the coins I looked at I found the coat of arms.

From Wiki:

The Coat of Arms of Aruba was originally designed in Amsterdam in 1955. Since then it has been in use as the national symbol of Aruba. There are seven main elements to the symbol:

The lion at the top of the crest symbolizes power.
A white cross on the crest that also serves to divide the crest into four quadrants is representative of devotion to faith.
Below the crest is a pair of laurel leaves, traditional symbols of peace.
The upper right quadrant of the crest depicts Hooiberg, the most recognizable hill of Aruba, and the second highest hill as well.
Below it, in the lower right quadrant a wheel represents industry.
In the upper left quadrant is an aloe plant, aloe being a source of income for the island, and its first important export.

Finally, the lower left quadrant depicts hands shaking, symbolic of Aruba's good relations with the world.


So who runs the show? The lions, the industry-tourism, hotels or the owner of the aloe plant.( I thought I read a long time ago that this was a relative of Posner).

OK...I know now that is a different Posner....




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 08:10:44 AM


Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...



Good morning, Mum.

I'm trying to connect dots.  :lol:



If you go here (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html#comment-7104991) and click on Merian Ernest's name, you will see his email address.


Then I found this:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono2.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)



Which led to Armin Solognier & Samir Daou.

Does that make sense?





Good morning vms...Thanks...yes...and now a little help with the obit, if you don't mind!...LOL

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 08:18:48 AM
Ok, I'm not sure how or if it fits, just throwing it all out there...

Go here (http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier) and check the listing (address) for Solognier Armindo E.

Then go here (http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm) and compare to SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY.

When I found the variation on the name, I searched it and found the obit which included the Rufo Solognier name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 08:27:08 AM
Not sure how it fits because I found something here (http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=285) (pdf file, page 46) for Sr. Armindo Solognier.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:01:36 AM
LOL...not sure how that all will help as I think Steve's aunt was Rufo's wife and she was the sister to Steve's mom!

Think I'll make more coffee...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 22, 2008, 09:22:36 AM

which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  :wink:



Could it be that he changed his name?

 Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .


http://tinyurl.com/4dugq7


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 09:37:28 AM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:38:41 AM

I'll go so far as to say that
Satish may not be part of the "official" suspect count

he was part of the lineup that night
but may have been viewed by the ethical ALE faction
as nothing more than a tag-along

perhaps the count begins w/ J/K2 = 2 (rather than 3)




And this we agree...the 'official' suspect that is...I am not even convinced he was there - in the same car at least...no way long legged Joran sat in the back with Satish in the front.

If Satish was never there, where would that put all the computer messages that night...he would be the one on the computer...just thinking out loud!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:58:53 AM
Kermit...of course...two Michael rocks...LOL

Found this...

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter22.html

News Briefs for March 1-31, 1999
Aruba news snippets
·   The Dutch Marines will be holding their "Enemy Quest 1999" training sessions from April 12-16. On the evening of April 12/13 a training session will be held on the beach areas covering Hadicurari, and surroundings, and Arashi and surroundings. On April 14 combat simulations will be held at the Atlantis Apartment Complex and the following day, April 15 at the Arikok National Park. Last day practices will be held on the coast along Coastal refinery and the area around the Reina Beatrix International Airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

This dude smiles just like Steve Gregory Croes.  He has listed there a Gregory Croes as one of his children.  I believe it would be his children it is listed after his spouse. He could be a grandparent or something, but Steve may come from a large family.   Jackb



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 11:01:02 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

This dude smiles just like Steve Gregory Croes.  He has listed there a Gregory Croes as one of his children.  I believe it would be his children it is listed after his spouse. He could be a grandparent or something, but Steve may come from a large family.   Jackb




Hi jackb...I have been trying to work out what the relationships are...the list that Rufo is on...omo...is uncle...not much luck with the rest through the translator...worked out the spouse...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 12:13:48 PM

which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  :wink:



Could it be that he changed his name?

 Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .


http://tinyurl.com/4dugq7

That seems to be what has been known about the name change for not too long after the case started.  Ben King was Ben Vocking.       jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 12:16:38 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

This croes man is so much like Steve Gregory Croes that he would have to be very close kin.  He has the ears, as well.  I believe that grin says it all   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 12:33:47 PM
I guess he knew Jossy?


Page 45

Den nomber di mi mama stimá Sra.Vda. Elsa Croes-Solognier y mi rumannan, Gregory, Judessa & Rosy,
mi ta gradicí tur esnan cu den un forma of otro a apoyá nos incondicionalmente durante enfermedad, fayecimiento, entiero, misanan y rezamento di mi tata

Sr. Juan Emiliano “Mechy” Croes

Hopi danki ta bay pa tur su rumannan, swa- y cuñanan y demas famia, enfermeranan Marietje, Marlene y Sonia di Foundation Edmund Harms, Dr. Lili Beke, Joisey, Dr. Karina Kelly, Geraldine, Jeannette, Dr. Ike Posner, Maritza, Manuel Chacon, Pader Toti, Johnny Martes, Elton Wilson, Neil Thijsen, Rochi Gomez, Gino Croes, Jossy M. Mansur, Freddy Barreto, Nicomeda Albertsz, tur esnan cu a comunica via telegram, tarheta y aviso. Papi drumi dushi den braza di Señor.
Bo Primogénito Dionisio Emiliano “Dino” Croes.

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=104


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 12:38:33 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O
Nellie
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?

back to decoding now Shango

CAPSLOCKWIZARD


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 12:45:13 PM
There's a secret message in the secret message?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 12:59:29 PM
There's a secret message in the secret message?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Mirian must have really been a genius...

Is Caps gone...Kermit has a question...I have many? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 01:13:59 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O
Nellie
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?back to decoding now Shango

CAPSLOCKWIZARD



My guess is...the one ALE was asking about, but we have lost phones, found phones, broken phones, phones with no credit and throw-a-way phones!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 01:24:38 PM
Sorry vms...logged out without complimenting you on your great sluething skills...

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:00:55 PM
Truthseeker...Found this...

The Governor of Aruba is the representative on Aruba of the Dutch head of state (Queen Beatrix). The governors duties are twofold: he represents and guards the general interests of the Kingdom and is head of the Aruban Government. He is accountable to the Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. As the head of the Government, the Governor is immune.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:03:27 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:05:23 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you think?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you think?

No, The correct spelling of the god is Rodriguez and not Rodrigues that is the error of the god


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:16:38 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you think?

No, The correct spelling of the god is Rodriguez and not Rodrigues that is the error of the god

ahhh ok Caps.. ya lost me there!!! LOL..

I'm not very good at solving riddles lmao!!!

If you mean Daury Rodriguez, Peter R said he is not involved and he knows the real last name of "Daury".

so, yep, I'm confused. but that's ok.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
When we found some similar links to the Marvel Comics and the names used, I got a hold of a comic book expert and he looked at the Shango riddle and couldn't get anywhere with it. I think I gave him a Boolean headache and I also think he hates me now. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:24:44 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you thin

Rob,

Yes and yes. IMO.

When Merian was posting, some codetalkers were very skeptical of him. Some believed he was Simian, some did not. To the point of splitting threads.

Also, I remembered this morning he had a sig line, while here, from King Kong:
Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.

Do you happen to know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano?



Mum,

Thank you but I got lucky yesterday. I have probably searched for manosalmono at least a hundred times in the past. Also, Rob helped or I would probably still trying to identify those guys today.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:31:17 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you thin

Rob,

Yes and yes. IMO.

When Merian was posting, some codetalkers were very skeptical of him. Some believed he was Simian, some did not. To the point of splitting threads.

Also, I remembered this morning he had a sig line, while here, from King Kong:
Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.

Do you happen to know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano?



Mum,

Thank you but I got lucky yesterday. I have probably searched for manosalmono at least a hundred times in the past. Also, Rob helped or I would probably still trying to identify those guys today.

this email address is the key in my opinion. It links everything.

I don't know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano. I'm sorry and I no longer speak to him.

just for the record Armin said something very strange.. actually a few things that very very very strange.

First I asked him for some info and he told me I am not the person to give you that info.

He was also singing a song by Johnny Cash and changed the lyrics to fit the song and he said that Joran is not the guilty party. And he seemed to know exactly who did it. And he wouldn't give me that info.

in my opinion, Armin knows what happened and the details.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:39:26 PM
Thanks, Rob. Do you know for an absolute fact that Rufo is his father?

I am almost totally convinced that Armin was Simian. I will reserve the right to change my mind though. 8)

Sorry about my errors in posts today. Lack of sleep. I will blame it on that anyway.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:39:50 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you thin

Rob,

Yes and yes. IMO.

When Merian was posting, some codetalkers were very skeptical of him. Some believed he was Simian, some did not. To the point of splitting threads.

Also, I remembered this morning he had a sig line, while here, from King Kong:
Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.

Do you happen to know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano?



Mum,

Thank you but I got lucky yesterday. I have probably searched for manosalmono at least a hundred times in the past. Also, Rob helped or I would probably still trying to identify those guys today.

this email address is the key in my opinion. It links everything.

I don't know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano. I'm sorry and I no longer speak to him.

just for the record Armin said something very strange.. actually a few things that very very very strange.

First I asked him for some info and he told me I am not the person to give you that info.

He was also singing a song by Johnny Cash and changed the lyrics to fit the song and he said that Joran is not the guilty party. And he seemed to know exactly who did it. And he wouldn't give me that info.

in my opinion, Armin knows what happened and the details.


Thanks Rob and vms

All I get from what Caps is saying is the spelling! Seen Rodriquez, Rodriques, Rodriguez and Rodrigues...but that is my logic...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:45:36 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Close Rob!

One Happy Island.com: icqRobles de Medina, Lourdes, Lulu, 17147519, Aruba. Robles de Medina, Marilu, Cherrylips, 16078812, Netherlands. Rodrigues, Nelio Ruben, Nelicpotucus, 7902515 ...
www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp?u=r&i= - 49k 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:46:51 PM



Thanks Rob and vms

All I get from what Caps is saying is the spelling! Seen Rodriquez, Rodriques, Rodriguez and Rodrigues...but that is my logic...LOL

Same here!  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Close Rob!

One Happy Island.com: icqRobles de Medina, Lourdes, Lulu, 17147519, Aruba. Robles de Medina, Marilu, Cherrylips, 16078812, Netherlands. Rodrigues, Nelio Ruben, Nelicpotucus, 7902515 ...
www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp?u=r&i= - 49k 


Oh, I thought he meant Nello as in Nelson O.

I think Merian was way above average, well-read, etc. but I cannot wrap my mind about these messages being that deep. JMO...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
Thanks, Rob. Do you know for an absolute fact that Rufo is his father?

I am almost totally convinced that Armin was Simian. I will reserve the right to change my mind though. 8)

Sorry about my errors in posts today. Lack of sleep. I will blame it on that anyway.  :lol:

I can not say I know that for an absolute fact. I have not seen them together. My research led me to believe that. I started to put somethings together that Armin said and it led me to start researching who was who and I came to the conclusion that Rufo is Armin's father. I could be wrong, it's happened before and we are all wrong every now and then, but I believe this is correct.... he is his father. He knew info that only Rufo would know because he was a retired cop, and Armin told me that his father was a cop, a high ranking cop, and that was how he knew the things he did. maybe I'm wrong and he is not his father = caveat.

Armin used to give me info and I would post it until he told me to stop. He got kinda pissed.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:54:22 PM
Thanks, Rob. Do you know for an absolute fact that Rufo is his father?

I am almost totally convinced that Armin was Simian. I will reserve the right to change my mind though. 8)

Sorry about my errors in posts today. Lack of sleep. I will blame it on that anyway.  :lol:

I can not say I know that for an absolute fact. I have not seen them together. My research led me to believe that. I started to put somethings together that Armin said and it led me to start researching who was who and I came to the conclusion that Rufo is Armin's father. I could be wrong, it's happened before and we are all wrong every now and then, but I believe this is correct.... he is his father. He knew info that only Rufo would know because he was a retired cop, and Armin told me that his father was a cop, a high ranking cop, and that was how he knew the things he did. maybe I'm wrong and he is not his father = caveat.

Armin used to give me info and I would post it until he told me to stop. He got kinda pissed.

Thanks. It would make sense. Maybe Caps can verify. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:58:30 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Close Rob!

One Happy Island.com: icqRobles de Medina, Lourdes, Lulu, 17147519, Aruba. Robles de Medina, Marilu, Cherrylips, 16078812, Netherlands. Rodrigues, Nelio Ruben, Nelicpotucus, 7902515 ...
www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp?u=r&i= - 49k 


Oh, I thought he meant Nello as in Nelson O.

I think Merian was way above average, well-read, etc. but I cannot wrap my mind about these messages being that deep. JMO...


LOL...he probably did mean Nelson...LOL...haven't given it that much thought!

I wonder who would have been feeding the info to Armin? Any thoughts?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 03:03:42 PM


LOL...he probably did mean Nelson...LOL...haven't given it that much thought!

I wonder who would have been feeding the info to Armin? Any thoughts?

That's why I would love to know if he is related to Rufo...if he was Simian.

But...was Rufo still that connected? I don't know but he had a source. No doubt in my mind anyway...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 03:08:57 PM


LOL...he probably did mean Nelson...LOL...haven't given it that much thought!

I wonder who would have been feeding the info to Armin? Any thoughts?

That's why I would love to know if he is related to Rufo...if he was Simian.

But...was Rufo still that connected? I don't know but he had a source. No doubt in my mind anyway...

It would depend on how long he had been retired and how many of his buddies were still in ALE, I would think! Seems lots of people knew what was going on, maybe it took a while to work out exactly who was posting as Simian...few bits of wrong info here and there


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 03:09:19 PM
vms...


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBARELANTIONSHIPS3.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 03:12:30 PM
Armin called Ronnie Bernadina is his uncle. Said he was a fair man but stern.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 03:16:12 PM
Armin called Ronnie Bernadina is his uncle. Said he was a fair man but stern.


Ronnie - FBI trained...Do you think he is clean Rob?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 03:18:41 PM
Thanks, Rob. Still don't think that is a pic of Rufo...but anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ok, so Papito and Ronnie. Hmmm. Still wonder about the Philadelphia connections > Rizzo and Cohen too...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 03:30:56 PM
Armin called Ronnie Bernadina is his uncle. Said he was a fair man but stern.


Ronnie - FBI trained...Do you think he is clean Rob?

just my opinion Mum, but I don't think any of these cops should be wearing badges


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:01:42 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

You are correct...I think the original spelling was CHANGO in mythology or whatever the origins of this story was.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
Sorry to bother everyone...but does anyone remember on Armin's myspace site where he has a friend that spells his last name as Croeze?  He is also there playing with a band and on his site somewhere...he calls Armin  "cuz".  That would fit into the obit I saw posted earlier.  I can't find the link to that myspace right now...sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 04:18:04 PM
Lala's...this one?

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 04:22:07 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 

Marine Croes is supposed to be kin to one of the suspects, I believe it was Guido or GVC.  I keep thinking Guido. Dompig is supposed to be kin to the Kalpoes some way.   Jack b


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 04:23:48 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 04:26:01 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 




Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Marine Croes is supposed to be kin to one of the suspects, I believe it was Guido or GVC.  I keep thinking Guido. Dompig is supposed to be kin to the Kalpoes some way.   Since Steve Croes and Geoffrey Van Cromvroit are such good friends, perhaps Marianne is kin to Steve Croes  on one side and Cores is kin to GVC through one or the other parents.   So young people sometimes claim a "cuz" when it is somehow related by mirrage.   Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 04:28:02 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes




LOL...I asked 10 days ago who Mito Croes was!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:31:08 PM

Now that we have narrowed Armin down to being Simian...would that make Merian Armin also?  If you read Merian...he supports the Simian in his verses...same email...so I am thinking they are the same person.  Armin does not appear to be female as some have thought...we can strike that one too, I guess.

This is pretty much what the monkeys have thought all along...it was someone closely connected to ALE...being fed info...now thinking on that line...when Simian comes out with the "package from the Hague" story and Shango calls him on it...that tell me that ALE knew there was a leak and was trying to find it...wonder what took them so long?

Who is Shango now?  He is known by Armin...I mean Simian...so would that take us back to Gabe?  Remember allyinmiami was friends with Simian and Checkme...this even makes sense when Checkme (which now tells me is and ALE insider for sure) asks Simian ..."are you working tonight?"  He meant in the band most likely.  BTW is that the only job this guy has? 


Caps??  Where does Armin Solognier work?  Surely, one of you contacts would know this.  Help me out here. Does he just play in the band?

Now, back to the 5th suspect...if it is Paulus and Merian is the same person as Simian (we have established that they certainly knew each other if not the same person) why does Merian implicate Freddy?  Merian tells us a few things that Simian did not.


Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: This yellowhammer has flown her own course
The Babylonians' hands are tied. The owners of the hammer and the block will come down hard. The hours in the glass are 72.

The girl was carried by the Carib on a trip to the Canal. She was swept away on her own.
So they seem to think.

The Picaros are too busy to pull off such a job. It is beyond there scope.

The one crowned with laurels has been turned inside and out. He even asked for forgiveness.

This yellowhammer has flown her own course.


This Merian verse is saying to us that Natalee is gone out to sea...Merian certainly was aware of the Picaro story (drug runners taking her, mafia, etc.) Merian knew they had not done that...we know the seizure story was out there and given Armin's relation to ALE, he had heard this as well. Hmmmm. As I have said he too wishes to distance Joran and the Kalpoes from this crime. I am wondering if anyone has told him the monkeys now know the truth.

It would be nice if he would just tell us who the 5th is and why he wanted Freddy in the picture and why his cousin Steve was so stupid...or if he was paid for that alibi? Yes, Rufo was feeding him info...wonder who was feeding Rufo?  LOL!!!!

I am so happy that so many things we have thought about Simian are turning out to be correct.  This is a big step.


Oh what a tangled web we weave....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:35:15 PM
Lala's...this one?

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier


Yes, thanks!  The guy is Jose Croeze...I was looking around at some other band sites and some photos...lots and lots of photos...and I saw him there in several of them.  Why can't these people spell these names all the same?  I had not seen the Croeze spelling that often.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 22, 2008, 04:41:12 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:41:27 PM
BTW....Kermit pointed at Ronny Bernadina as Dirty Hand once. 

Simian knew there was evidence...he says that Paulus was confronted with the evidence...now that we know this is true...going on the assumption that Armin is the elusive Simian...what was this evidence??  He says he doesn't know if it was from the cars or the house...what was it?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk.



Hey, have any of you guys listened to Armin's music?  Not too shabby.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 04:42:31 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:44:33 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes




LOL...I asked 10 days ago who Mito Croes was!

Yes you did. Now, we find out it is the whisperer....this one I am assuming...

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:09 pm
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:46:38 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.


Thanks.  I saw that. DOH!!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:49:22 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS


Are you saying Natalee's killer was...well who are you saying was the killer?  Yes, I am lost again...sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 22, 2008, 04:58:06 PM
Lala's...this one?

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier


Yes, thanks!  The guy is Jose Croeze...I was looking around at some other band sites and some photos...lots and lots of photos...and I saw him there in several of them.  Why can't these people spell these names all the same?  I had not seen the Croeze spelling that often.

Jose Croeze Myspace....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=193482446


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:00:32 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.



Vanishing?  Does he mean those that have suddenly died such as the maid? The guy in the cave?

Is he saying that Freddy framed Joran and the Kalpoes?  Could there have been a vendetta against Paulus? 

Oh boy, do I have more unanswered questions...I have to tell myself...patience. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:01:07 PM
There was a "cheetah something" that posted here... I think we need those posts also.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:03:52 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA

Corrected forgot a name


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:05:05 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:05:08 PM
Hi Pita!  Thanks that's the one...his music isn't too bad either. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:06:17 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.

Would mind asking him to confirm that he is Simian and Merian and then ask him who the 5th suspect is...pretty please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.

TYVM!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:07:24 PM
There was a "cheetah something" that posted here... I think we need those posts also.



I remember those...good thinking!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:08:09 PM
Caps, do you know a guy named Luis who is connected to the Aruban Government's financial department? could even be the treasurer.

Thanks...

that is Armin's best friend


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:10:52 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:11:30 PM
So it is possible that Paulus was going to visit Simian that next day at the bank or that Simian saw him there that day.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:14:15 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.

Would mind asking him to confirm that he is Simian and Merian and then ask him who the 5th suspect is...pretty please?

I haven't spoke to him in a long time... so I don't think he will tell me that anyway.. he wouldn't tell me very many details anyway... details he knew.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:15:29 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Thank you.

The age works. I just need the high school to confirm that he was Simian...for me.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:20:14 PM
So it is possible that Paulus was going to visit Simian that next day at the bank or that Simian saw him there that day.  ::MonkeyShocked::

holy cow.. good thinking


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Thank you.

The age works. I just need the high school to confirm that he was Simian...for me.  :lol:


Now the Father of this Armin

Solognier   Armindo E   9/27/1945   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   from Madiki

This his the Father of Armir Solognier which is an offspring from the OLD MAN that died in 2007





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:26:35 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Caps, this old man?

this says that Armin is related right, but NOT a child...

is that right??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:27:22 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA

Corrected forgot a name


More name Adjustment

Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=??
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=ARMINDO Soglonier
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:29:22 PM




Now the Father of this Armin

Solognier   Armindo E   9/27/1945   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   from Madiki

This his the Father of Armir Solognier which is an offspring from the OLD MAN that died in 2007





Ok. Armindo is Armin's father. That works.

Juan Emiliano Croes is the father of Armindo Solognier? How does that work? Different last names.

What do these words from the obit mean, Caps? 

Swa & cuñanan:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:35:33 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA

Corrected forgot a name


More name Adjustment

Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=??
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=ARMINDO Soglonier
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END






I think I'm getting it.

try this.

elpadre = the fatherS

fathers of the young ones.

this area (the father) talks about the fathers = elders

so we have the right people inserted.

we need the father of someone that starts with an "L"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:36:23 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Caps, this old man?

this says that Armin is related right, but NOT a child...

is that right??
Yes not a Child

it comes from the Mother side and that mikes him a cousing or a not to far cousin.

Via the mother they are related


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:39:51 PM
Question, Any one have what Mike Eman said about the Missing teen Natalee in 2005.

I am wonder if he know who the Whisperer on the line was
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:41:43 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 


Still waiting on this:



He went to some kind of music school..let me see if I can find that again...I read it a few hours ago.



If it is established he attended Colegio Arubano, I will be sold 100%.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:03:44 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 


Still waiting on this:



He went to some kind of music school..let me see if I can find that again...I read it a few hours ago.



If it is established he attended Colegio Arubano, I will be sold 100%.


I agree.  It all fits so well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:06:04 PM
Well Poop!

Sorry I didn't finish my post...I read that while searching through all that info here yesterday...it was something about his first band...Spanish something was the name...and he said something like...well we all went to music school together...I can't find it now...but I have looked and looked...maybe I don't have the right musician...but it was one of those guys we were looking at yesterday