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Title: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 14, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
I'll post the link to the last page of #2 here:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg374014#new


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 10:06:35 AM
Hello Hello  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:10:19 AM
Hello Hello  ::MonkeyCool::

Hello...new digs already!...Did Caps get lost!

Good Morning vms!

Thanks Klaas...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 10:12:46 AM
In early July 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach
There has been mention in the local papers that the bones are possibly from crew members of an ancient ship wreck over 100 years old. Good One lol




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 10:21:17 AM
Now the request for the forbidden fruit came from an Escort Service.

The Escort Service has a link to the News. Now I need to know all the Escort services that go trough The NEWS and and there are sevaral. It operate where the Texas Aqua Search where residing when in Aruba and they know about it exisitng. Now to find which one,

Guido uses this escord service and he goes trough the News to enter this escort service.(Name?)

Does Julia have or must have an escort service in 2005.

This is important. It will show that Natalee was setup.



Caps,
One of Natalee's roommates Madison Whatley reported to the FBI that they had received two weird messages on their phone at the hotel.  The calls were from a woman that said "Rosemary" (another girl on the trip) was scheduled for a massage off of the hotel property.

X-otic Massage and Escort Service   aka ArubaSexy

http://www.arubasexy.com/XoticHomePage.htm

Pita do yu know who owns the X-otic ?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/xotic.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ArubaSexy.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:22:58 AM
Yes!  New carpet this time, huh?  Morning monkeys!  Has anyone noticed the Shango thread is moving right along? 

Have we found the 5th suspect yet?  Did I miss it?  Was it Steve, with the many relatives, Croes or Freddy, we don't know ya last name for sure, Zedan?  What happened to Lorenzo?  Has he been taken off the list? 

I knew there had to be more than one escort service in Aruba...yes, I agree, the fact that the FBI want to check into Mr. Pink is very suspicious....I think they were curious on many levels as to what or who Mr. Pink associated with...hmmmm that bring us back to Lorenzo now, doesn't it?

I came in here to answer a question from Mum and now I have forgotten it...rats!  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:24:02 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587

ok

they where located in Moko and where in the massages bussines
now lets look at the addess to the Dutch Apartmnts

if we find this complex we have the murder place


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:24:45 AM
In early July 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach
There has been mention in the local papers that the bones are possibly from crew members of an ancient ship wreck over 100 years old. Good One lol





I think I can find it, Blonde, I just had it last week. fox or CNN...I think the 26th. Will look, as they asked if the arrests had anything to do with the bone...may have been the one off of Venezuela!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:30:30 AM
Yes!  New carpet this time, huh?  Morning monkeys!  Has anyone noticed the Shango thread is moving right along? 

Have we found the 5th suspect yet?  Did I miss it?  Was it Steve, with the many relatives, Croes or Freddy, we don't know ya last name for sure, Zedan?  What happened to Lorenzo?  Has he been taken off the list? 

I knew there had to be more than one escort service in Aruba...yes, I agree, the fact that the FBI want to check into Mr. Pink is very suspicious....I think they were curious on many levels as to what or who Mr. Pink associated with...hmmmm that bring us back to Lorenzo now, doesn't it?

I came in here to answer a question from Mum and now I have forgotten it...rats!  :roll:

Good Morning!...Was it about the suicides?

Today it is ZEDAN!

Lorenzo...have never found it again, but read that Kendrik Croes was his lawyer for the drug charges....quit looking after about the third try!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:35:53 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587

ok

they where located in Moko and where in the massages bussines
now lets look at the addess to the Dutch Apartmnts

if we find this complex we have the murder place


From the phone book:

ARUBA X-OTIC MASSAGE & ESCORT     
Jucuri 66

I noticed they mention offering private parties and renting party space on their website...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
Good morning all!

Caps,

An old record for X-otic:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28587

ok

they where located in Moko and where in the massages bussines
now lets look at the addess to the Dutch Apartmnts

if we find this complex we have the murder place


Caps
I am confused a little...are you now saying that these Dutch apartments are murder central?  I thought you said they handed Natalee back to Joran and the Kalpoes while they waited outside?  Is that another story that I am mixing with this one? 

If she died there, why would the Sloots residence search be limited later?  By allowing a full search it would have gone a long way to absolving them of guilt.  Would this not eliminate Joran and the Kalpoes of any guilt in her death?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:39:47 AM
Yes!  New carpet this time, huh?  Morning monkeys!  Has anyone noticed the Shango thread is moving right along? 

Have we found the 5th suspect yet?  Did I miss it?  Was it Steve, with the many relatives, Croes or Freddy, we don't know ya last name for sure, Zedan?  What happened to Lorenzo?  Has he been taken off the list? 

I knew there had to be more than one escort service in Aruba...yes, I agree, the fact that the FBI want to check into Mr. Pink is very suspicious....I think they were curious on many levels as to what or who Mr. Pink associated with...hmmmm that bring us back to Lorenzo now, doesn't it?

I came in here to answer a question from Mum and now I have forgotten it...rats!  :roll:

Good Morning!...Was it about the suicides?

Today it is ZEDAN!

Lorenzo...have never found it again, but read that Kendrik Croes was his lawyer for the drug charges....quit looking after about the third try!!!

Is this another relation on that tree branch?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:42:16 AM
C-Jam Hair Studio
Jucuri # 66, Santa Cruz

Our Barbers
Clarence Mardenborough
Eugene Courtar
Alcides Marine
Jonathan Oduber
Delanho Jacobs
John Lugay

http://www.c-jamproductions.com/newcjamhairmap.htm


*************


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 DECEMBER 1995 under serial number 19639.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
 
Business address JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
Date of commencement  31 JANUARY 1996 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MARDENBOROUGH, CLARENS EMANUEL; 
Residing in  JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 OCTOBER 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  18 DECEMBER 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAP-, MASSAGE- EN SCHOONHEIDSSALON, TEVENS HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAPPERSBEDRIJF MET DE WAGEN.

2. HET VERKOPEN VAN STERK-, ZWAK- EN NIET-ALCOHOLISCHE DRANKEN EN HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN INTERNET-CAFE TEVENS DE KLEINHANDEL IN SNACKS, SANDWICHES, ANDERE EETGERECHTEN EN MAALTIJDEN.

3. HET ORGANISEREN, VERZORGEN EN BEGELEIDEN VAN FEESTEN, VOORSTELLINGEN, MUZIKALE PRODUKTIES EN VERMAAK EVENEMENTEN;

4. HET ORGANISEREN, BEGELEIDEN, PROMOTEN, GEVEN EN DOEN GEVEN VAN VOORSTELLINGEN, ZOALS MUZIKALE OPTREDENS EN SPORTEVENEMENTEN (DE ZOGENAAMDE "MIX MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITIONS"). 
   
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19600


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:43:42 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:46:52 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
 Lala's...LOL...not many Zedans...huge company .sa - not South America - Saudi Arabia...LOL...have followed Freddy around the globe this past weekend.

Caps...which apartments are you talking about...the Dilk(sp) or Dijkoff ones, or another, it's hard to go back and find stuff in the threads...and I have an index!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:57:49 AM
Lala's...LOL...not many Zedans...huge company .sa - not South America - Saudi Arabia...LOL...have followed Freddy around the globe this past weekend.

Caps...which apartments are you talking about...the Dilk(sp) or Dijkoff ones, or another, it's hard to go back and find stuff in the threads...and I have an index!!


There are 3 of these apartment.

one is called the Whitehouse or MOKO 30
the other 2 check.

it is 1 of the 3 places they must have used if they use an escort service to hide the plan

some of these escort services uses a cell phone.

but this one uses the The News phone number to get in.

BRB will get a paper


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
Guido's pics were found here:
http://www.modellenbureau.nl/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
Blonde...this is what I was referring to...from MsMaple...two weeks later...Kalpoes rearrested

 Reply #571 on: August 30, 2006, 11:19:35 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: "msmarple"


Bone 08/10/2005 (est.)
Bone washes up on coast of Venezuela; found by dog walking with owner. Local (Venezuela) newspaper says it was a human femur (arm bone) with hand/fingers. A later report from Aruba says it was part of a mannequin; in D. Holloway’s book, he says he was told it was a “Halloween prop.”
Notes:
This finding occurred during the turbulent storm season of 2005.
Disastrous plane crash in Venezuela shortly after this finding.




Arm bones - The still interconnected human bones of a woman’s forearm and hand was found washed-up on the VENEZUELA Las Piedras beach, near the town Punto Fijo (the southwest side of the VENEZELA peninsula nearest to the west coast of ARUBA, about 18 miles away), on 8-10-05.

BTW, it would be a humerus not a femur.  Femur is the upper leg.
 
 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 11:14:22 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.

Ronchi de Cuba?

http://www.dailytrendz.com/dtlaunch.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 11:15:07 AM
Lala's...LOL...not many Zedans...huge company .sa - not South America - Saudi Arabia...LOL...have followed Freddy around the globe this past weekend.

Caps...which apartments are you talking about...the Dilk(sp) or Dijkoff ones, or another, it's hard to go back and find stuff in the threads...and I have an index!!


There are 3 of these apartment.

one is called the Whitehouse or MOKO 30
the other 2 check.

it is 1 of the 3 places they must have used if they use an escort service to hide the plan

some of these escort services uses a cell phone.

but this one uses the The News phone number to get in.

BRB will get a paper

Don't forget...follow the star!  That would be the Whitehouse apartments.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 11:16:11 AM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.

Ronchi de Cuba?

http://www.dailytrendz.com/dtlaunch.html

Thanks Klaas!  I could see the strange looking man/girl/whatever, but I couldn't remember the name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 11:45:27 AM
here is the link to the apartments in the old, old thread...confused...2 have a star, one has a pool, not all are Dutch...I'm following Mirian!...Freddy knows!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.1620


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 12:05:28 PM
Caps…Mentioned this on the last thread and it has me thinking….What about Geoffrey Wever, from Wever Croes and Tchong? It appears he is Hendrik’s son. From the website he was at University in Holland and it is very probable he was home for the summer.

There has been much posted about a Dutch guy, “G” over from Amsterdam for the summer, had his own apartment and worked in the casino. Leiden University is right by Amsterdam. (My regal orange visage!)

We know that Guido did not go to the Netherlands as early as June 1st. or 2nd. as we have statements from him.  We have heard that Guido was an intern at the casino and at the Racquet Club, Racquet Club makes more sense for Guido.

Frumpy Guido just doesn't seem to fit here!

Is there a chance that Guido and Geoffrey have become intertwined?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 12:25:53 PM
Sorry it was Hendrik at Leiden. (Does that make him His Lordship?)... Geoffrey at the University of Amsterdam.

Fits with the age of 24 we were given for Guido and guess what….a December birthday!

Link to Geoffrey Wever!

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=21



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 12:50:10 PM


I have found 2 other one

Fantasy Escort Service & Massage

Heaven Massage & Escort

we need the one that is connected to Guido Wever and also connected to the NEWS, Julia Renfro.

 

Would the one connected to Guido not be a male escort service?  I have read it somewhere...connected to that modeling agency that Guido and GVC and Hiram are involved in...darn it...I can't remember the name right now.

Ronchi de Cuba?

http://www.dailytrendz.com/dtlaunch.html

Hiram was associated in the past with Guia Fashion.  His birthday pics were posted at this site but have since been taken down.

http://www.guiafashion.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 12:55:45 PM
Caps…Mentioned this on the last thread and it has me thinking….What about Geoffrey Wever, from Wever Croes and Tchong? It appears he is Hendrik’s son. From the website he was at University in Holland and it is very probable he was home for the summer.

There has been much posted about a Dutch guy, “G” over from Amsterdam for the summer, had his own apartment and worked in the casino. Leiden University is right by Amsterdam. (My regal orange visage!)

We know that Guido did not go to the Netherlands as early as June 1st. or 2nd. as we have statements from him.  We have heard that Guido was an intern at the casino and at the Racquet Club, Racquet Club makes more sense for Guido.

Frumpy Guido just doesn't seem to fit here!

Is there a chance that Guido and Geoffrey have become intertwined?


It is defenetly in the Croes Famaly that this case has originated.

All the writing show to protect the Elder.

Now for what I do understand is the "The Boy" is the killer and not Joran.

The Father (?????) loves the boy to Much and he sing. He told a story to protect him self and his lineage (The Croes Name)

The sloot kid was is the scapegoat. maybe there is a look a like of this Boy

The movie session are there...from some whisper they fall under the category "Drunken Girls haven Sex." "Drunken Teens"

Now "the House of Rave" is not music but SEX

Also cRave= SEX

This escort service plans in advanced for these movies. Now The girls will get drunk and them a movie is produced. Sold in europe.

They loor and sweet talk these girls and then find what they like and then use the information to impress them and so these girls falls prey in the game.

The diceman had sex and was filmed in these movies.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:14:39 PM
Caps…Mentioned this on the last thread and it has me thinking….What about Geoffrey Wever, from Wever Croes and Tchong? It appears he is Hendrik’s son. From the website he was at University in Holland and it is very probable he was home for the summer.

There has been much posted about a Dutch guy, “G” over from Amsterdam for the summer, had his own apartment and worked in the casino. Leiden University is right by Amsterdam. (My regal orange visage!)

We know that Guido did not go to the Netherlands as early as June 1st. or 2nd. as we have statements from him.  We have heard that Guido was an intern at the casino and at the Racquet Club, Racquet Club makes more sense for Guido.

Frumpy Guido just doesn't seem to fit here!

Is there a chance that Guido and Geoffrey have become intertwined?


It is defenetly in the Croes Famaly that this case has originated.

All the writing show to protect the Elder.

Now for what I do understand is the "The Boy" is the killer and not Joran.

The Father (?????) loves the boy to Much and he sing. He told a story to protect him self and his lineage (The Croes Name)

The sloot kid was is the scapegoat. maybe there is a look a like of this Boy

The movie session are there...from some whisper they fall under the category "Drunken Girls haven Sex." "Drunken Teens"

Now "the House of Rave" is not music but SEX

Also cRave= SEX

This escort service plans in advanced for these movies. Now The girls will get drunk and them a movie is produced. Sold in europe.

They loor and sweet talk these girls and then find what they like and then use the information to impress them and so these girls falls prey in the game.

The diceman had sex and was filmed in these movies.



From what I remember of that Real estate site, GoldCoastaruba... all the Croes 'boys', either Hendrik or Rudy's did not seem to be a fit in this. Hard to tell, I guess, but I have always had a window open on some-one else going to the Netherlands before Guido.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
I have seen two different things posted on Rudy's whereabouts...one he was in the Netherlands and returned June 3rd. Caesu checked this out and could not find anything. The other, Buckeye posted: that Gabe Leo posted on the FP that he was in Columbia for a wedding.

Either way, he does not want to be placed in Aruba that night!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:29:47 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2008, 01:32:26 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:54:52 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 02:02:20 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA



Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 15, 2008, 02:08:28 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!

Well, I actually saw the report on TV, but did not record or save anything (my family chuckled at me flipping from one news report to the other)....I read here from the beginning ...also Riehl's (sp)....it just struck me that it was a big scoop then, and yes, it dropped like a hot potato....but made me go 'mmmm' this morning.   It's all nothing really new, but alternate players are now in discussion. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 02:22:41 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA



Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS


Caps... I have been round and round and up the path many times on this. I believe SS confirmed what I thought I finally had straight!

Betico, Hendrick and Rudy all brothers! I thought I rechecked after the discussions a few weeks back as I kept seeing posts that said Rudy was the nephew and others that he was the brother. I believe I even checked the birth years and was sure that Rudy and Hendrick were brothers!

This needs to be documented to avoid any more confusion! Can't keep going around in circles...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 02:23:56 PM
I know I am a bit OT (as usual  ::MonkeyEek::) but it is this site/link on which the pics of Amy Bradley were found. I know in the past I have been able to find information through this link to Adult Only Vacations located at the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba. That would be a convenient and scary venue for such things.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/index.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!

Well, I actually saw the report on TV, but did not record or save anything (my family chuckled at me flipping from one news report to the other)....I read here from the beginning ...also Riehl's (sp)....it just struck me that it was a big scoop then, and yes, it dropped like a hot potato....but made me go 'mmmm' this morning.   It's all nothing really new, but alternate players are now in discussion. 

In 2002-2004 there was a big fenomena about filming Drunken teens and having sex. It was a big trend in europe (Budapest, Bukarest, Pragg, Germany. mostly eastern europe and it funnel via the internet as a wave into holland. Now the XTC pill manufacture in europe was the blame for this fenomena.

In the states at that time was Girls gone Wild. Teens gone Wild etc.

My research show that this methos of filming teens was a big money busness in europe. the underwold will pay top dollar for these movies especialy in eastern europe.

Now we have a group of drunken teens for 2 weeks in aruba, some of these Dutch traveled that read the news and are in the youth stream must have seen this oportunity to make some movie.

Now just think how much money this movie will fetch on the collectionist/underground market.

Back to looking for this place.. will call the Escorts and ask for direction and where they will bring me.

it is the only way ....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at thar same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA

Evelyn Wever-Croes
http://www.wesharefoundation.org/ez.lt.2003.02.1a.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 02:31:57 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 02:32:19 PM
OK...after reading Caps last post, I was thinking of Geraldo's reporting from Aruba about tape (s) as rumored on the street (or to his brother..don't remember exactly), but I believe at that time it was presumed that the Dutch guy was Joran & early in the case.  I just tried to find a transcript, but was not able to find it.  Later, the Freddy arrest came up.....

Was just wondering if the tape story also took on a new life via the rumor mill...new playahs, so to speak....but all involved by association.

Yes, I know I may be off the beaten path, unpaved and without gold bricks.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi 2NJSons...Geraldo first mentioned the 'movies' on 6/14 and dropped it like a hot potato, and it didn't surface again until the August arrest of the Kalpoes and Freddy.

I read about the 6/14 one from posts, but I think it was Harry Tho who did a piece saying he never thought he would give credance to Geraldo, that was when the August arrests happened. Couldn't believe that Geraldo was right in what he reported on June 14th.

Not sure that there will be anything out there from June, posters were commenting on what happened to what was reported the previous night, and no follow up!

Well, I actually saw the report on TV, but did not record or save anything (my family chuckled at me flipping from one news report to the other)....I read here from the beginning ...also Riehl's (sp)....it just struck me that it was a big scoop then, and yes, it dropped like a hot potato....but made me go 'mmmm' this morning.   It's all nothing really new, but alternate players are now in discussion. 


LOL..this will not surprise you, but I am wondering why all Freddy's statements are there except for the August arrest dates!

I am now sure that there is a Freddy Zedan, just a little curious about the August arrest and why he was released quietly out a back door!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 02:41:09 PM
From Arubagirl...though this not where I checked from before...I really searched then! I am led to belive she knows her stuff!


http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/index.html


There was an election. Mep won the absolute majority (11 seats in parliament).

So, forming a cabinet would be a piece of cake, right?

Wrong.

More than a month has passed and we still haven't gotten any firm decision on who is getting what ministry. I suppose that splitting the loot is a complicated process.

First of all, the big problem is Rudy Croes, since apparently the Netherlands has been making noises that they do not approve of him as Minister of Justice. Big drama among Rudy's supporters, with the words "meddling in autonomous affairs" being heard the most often. See, the problem with that sentiment is that the Netherlands does still give us money. So they do appropriate a right to have some say in who is going to actually spend the money. Unless we manage to be completely on our own (yeah, right), we're just going to have to grin down and bear it.

Rudy, magnanimous guy that he is, has let it be known that he is willing to settle for the Ministry of Tourism, on the condition that his brother, Hendrik Croes, becomes Minister of Justice.  


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 02:51:50 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:04:25 PM
I know I am a bit OT (as usual  ::MonkeyEek::) but it is this site/link on which the pics of Amy Bradley were found. I know in the past I have been able to find information through this link to Adult Only Vacations located at the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba. That would be a convenient and scary venue for such things.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/index.htm


BB..Will take your word on this...

vms...I can't open the link to Evelyn!  Goldcoastaruba seems to be a Croes family affair...there was a news piece at their site a while ago of I think 2 Croes at a table and they were Hendrik or Rudy's sons...the bank man is de Veer from Metacorp and the Renaissance. It was discussed on the NAH thread.

http://www.goldcoastaruba.com/CompanyProfile.aspx

Caps...go for it...LOL






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:09:50 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Caps...this would have been after the 29/30th. of May.

If Evelyn is married to a Wever and she has a son...he would be a Croes and a Wever, correct?...Sorry still looking at "G"..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:20:25 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 03:21:08 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Caps...this would have been after the 29/30th. of May.

If Evelyn is married to a Wever and she has a son...he would be a Croes and a Wever, correct?...Sorry still looking at "G"..

Yes Correct he was here in Aruba, it is confirmed.

and yes croes wever.

Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER 3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 03:23:28 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!




Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Like to see Picture


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 03:25:51 PM
I know I am a bit OT (as usual  ::MonkeyEek::) but it is this site/link on which the pics of Amy Bradley were found. I know in the past I have been able to find information through this link to Adult Only Vacations located at the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba. That would be a convenient and scary venue for such things.

http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/index.htm


BB..Will take your word on this...

vms...I can't open the link to Evelyn!  Goldcoastaruba seems to be a Croes family affair...there was a news piece at their site a while ago of I think 2 Croes at a table and they were Hendrik or Rudy's sons...the bank man is de Veer from Metacorp and the Renaissance. It was discussed on the NAH thread.

http://www.goldcoastaruba.com/CompanyProfile.aspx

Caps...go for it...LOL






Sorry about the link, Mum. I dunno why it won't open for you. It isn't a good pic and I don't really know if she is the same Evelyn...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 03:28:19 PM
Looking for an escort service that provide forbidden fruit pleasure.

from the seven, the one that is linked to the Diceman (Guido Wever)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 03:35:02 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Thanks, Mum. I saw that pic. I guess I missed how they were connected to the government Croes - Rudy and Hendrik...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:36:54 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!




Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Like to see Picture


Caps...I will look again and see if I can find it...and will post the link if I do. I recall that at first it was thought it was Rudy's company, not sure why now! Maybe one of them was called Rudy, I'm sorry I really don't remember anymore....except that it was a pretty big development. Was that the one with the turtles, or was that the Terra del Soleil one? Could even be confusing the two, the way my brain is right now!...Will see what I can find later as I have some things to do...Don't multitask very well...LOL

Caps...Did you check on Rudy and Hendrick?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 03:40:45 PM
Mum,

How are the Croes of Gold Coast Villas related to Rudy, Hendrik, etc.?


Caps,

Be careful!


Sorry vms...I got busy....I think I searched Gold Coast Aruba + news more recently and found the pic of them at the table. Not sure whose sons they were, Rudy or Hendrick, it was from the first new house finished.

Thanks, Mum. I saw that pic. I guess I missed how they were connected to the government Croes - Rudy and Hendrik...


Thanks...I was beginning to think I had lost my mind...DH and DD have me down for 5 years or less, after I forgot my PIN the other night...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
C-Jam Hair Studio Productions is associated with C-Jam Hair Studio, X-otic Massage and Escort Service, SUV Limo Service Aruba and Last Man Standing (martial arts competitions.)


http://www.c-jamproductions.com/index.html


C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
 
Business address JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
Date of commencement  31 JANUARY 1996 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MARDENBOROUGH, CLARENS EMANUEL;  
Residing in  JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 OCTOBER 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  18 DECEMBER 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAP-, MASSAGE- EN SCHOONHEIDSSALON, TEVENS HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAPPERSBEDRIJF MET DE WAGEN.

2. HET VERKOPEN VAN STERK-, ZWAK- EN NIET-ALCOHOLISCHE DRANKEN EN HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN INTERNET-CAFE TEVENS DE KLEINHANDEL IN SNACKS, SANDWICHES, ANDERE EETGERECHTEN EN MAALTIJDEN.

3. HET ORGANISEREN, VERZORGEN EN BEGELEIDEN VAN FEESTEN, VOORSTELLINGEN, MUZIKALE PRODUKTIES EN VERMAAK EVENEMENTEN;

4. HET ORGANISEREN, BEGELEIDEN, PROMOTEN, GEVEN EN DOEN GEVEN VAN VOORSTELLINGEN, ZOALS MUZIKALE OPTREDENS EN SPORTEVENEMENTEN (DE ZOGENAAMDE "MIX MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITIONS"). 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 03:56:42 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 04:03:09 PM
A few more from phone listings:

A & E Exclusive Exciting Massage & Escort Service   
Tanki Leendert 145 I
 
All For You    
Pampoenastraat 13 E

Gingerelas Relax
Wayaca 28 A
     
Pure & Sensual Escort Service   
 
WHITE DIAMONDS ESCORT & MASSAGE   
 Seroe Pita 23 A Paradera


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 04:16:05 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.

Are any of these apartments located near 39 Noord?

Aruba Blue Village 
Cunucu Abao 37, Noord

Perle D'Or
Noord 108-R, Noord

Boardwalk Vacation Retreat
Bakval 20, Noord

Aruba Sunflower
Salinja Cerca 25E, Noord


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:20:35 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.

Most escort service do not have an office and is on cash bases only. No credit card.

They operate form their cell phone.

The owners of Brickel, White house, Near Lekker (will find the name) are letting these business escort to use their apartment for pleasure.

The Whitehouse is a pleasure complex.
the Brickel is a hotel.
This House of rave to gice it a name is also an Apartment complex.

I will tried to get some picture of the place. Lekker we have already


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:26:47 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Dropped?  As in taken to this apartment complex?  Or dropped as in a body drop? Was Rudy on TV concerning this place?  Was this a local station in your area?  Can you provide the name of the TV station? That would help us o prove this is true.


BTW, let me get this straight...you are saying the reference to "elder" in the Shango riddle is referring to a Croes and not Paulus?  The protecting by the elder is a Croes protecting his son?  Please correct this if I am wrong.  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 04:28:17 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Lekker Bar and Restaurant is located at 39 Noord according to the Aruba phone book.   So we are looking for an apartment/escort close to this address.

Most escort service do not have an office and is on cash bases only. No credit card.

They operate form their cell phone.

The owners of Brickel, White house, Near Lekker (will find the name) are letting these business escort to use their apartment for pleasure.

The Whitehouse is a pleasure complex.
the Brickel is a hotel.
This House of rave to gice it a name is also an Apartment complex.

I will tried to get some picture of the place. Lekker we have already

IIRC, there have been pictures of the White House and Brickel posted.  We just need one of the House of Rave apartment complex!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:36:04 PM
Looking for an escort service that provide forbidden fruit pleasure.

from the seven, the one that is linked to the Diceman (Guido Wever)

Would Mr. Pink not have the premiere service in Aruba?  The FBI was certainly interested in him for some reason during this time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:38:43 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 04:44:23 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


Thank you then , I am wrong about what i was thinking. I never read Merian so I must be very confused. I was thinking about maybe a way to have disposed of Natalee. Certainly a boat large enough to hold a large trap......the Aruba Star.......

http://www.shipfoto.co.uk/images/Star-Aruba---1-Sept-2001.jpg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:44:46 PM
The Apartment near Lekker is called Matty Apartments
Address = Noord 15-A

150 Meter from Lekker


Sorces are checking the owners.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 04:45:16 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

Hmmmm now that is very interesting Pita!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

The photo sow the Whitehouse Cocktail Lounge


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 04:52:24 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:55:20 PM
Caps
Why are we running around looking for those apartments again?  I thought the info Yapp provided was the correct info?  Have I missed something?  Do I need to look elsewhere? Here is what we found the first time we searched around for those Dutch-owned apartments:

yapperz1
Scared Monkey
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1620 on: February 01, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »
   
Lalas the only thing that can be found so far is this:

http://tinyurl.com/2naage

go down to (CP-011) {I can't snag the pic}

Found this on chamber of commerce registry:

MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
 
Business address MOKO 30-A, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  9 AUGUST 1993
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
DIJKHOFF, THOMAS;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1946
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL
   
DIJKHOFF-BOEKHOUDT, LUCIA;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 25 JUNE 1949
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL


ALSO Notice "The Star" on top of the motel. Wasn't it Merian Ernest who said something about a star?
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


yapperz1

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1625 on: February 01, 2008, 09:52:45 PM »
   
Is this it Caps?

MONTANA APARTMENT
 
Business address MONTANA 6-D, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company  MONTANA APARTMENT
Date of commencement  1 JANUARY 1980
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS
 
LEEST, DOMINICO;
Residing in  MONTANJA 32, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JULY 1932
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  OWNER
Effective  16 FEBRUARY 1982
Authority  FULL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 04:58:14 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 04:59:01 PM
Here is more of the same conversation about those apartments:

yapperz1


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1629 on: February 01, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
   
Caps:

VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
 
Business address MONTANJA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 21 JULY 1995 
incorporation/commencement:
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
VAN DIJK, JOHANNES; 
Residing in  NOORDERPLASSENWEG 38, 1316 US ALMERE, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 12 JANUARY 1962 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position 
Effective  6 JUNE 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
VAN DER LUYT, ALBERTUS; 
Residing in  CATHARINADAL 9, 5235 BJ DEN BOSCH, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NOORDWIJK on 28 OCTOBER 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
BARNAS, PETRONELLA GEERTRUIDA; 
Residing in  VAN HALEWIJNBAAN 329, 2274 TK VOORBURG, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, VOORBURG on 7 APRIL 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 


This is your reply:

CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1631 on: February 01, 2008, 10:26:49 PM »
   
Yes

lala

the one with the gold paint and the road is paved

The question is in which room?


In my report I choose the White one but my road is not paved

The Montana Park Apartment is where all started..The Sex etc....

so look for the owners

In their website there is a Holland phone: I wonder who will answer..

Pauls brother or Anitas Mother...

LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 05:00:19 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord

This sounds like it could be the place.....  Caps, what is the name of this motel?


Dave Holloway discussed a small type of motel near the VIP Club in his book.  Next door is the Indo Restaurant, located at 17 Noord.   

From Dave's book pgs. 52-53

snipped....

Then they drove me to see the motel next door to the VIP Club.  I was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  I did not know if that meant you bring your own girl or they furnish one.

The motel has a small home like structure at the front.  Then, there are six or seven rooms that stretch down the roadway.  There were no vehicles there during daylight, but we heard that some young girls were escorted in and out of the rooms that day.  We had also heard that someone had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.   There is reason to believe that the Buddhist who met me and my sister next door at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to me.   The authorities were supposedly investigating this.  As with most of the leads that we had turned over to police, nothing ever evolved from it.  We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Abrambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.


The detectives knew the motel's owner
, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:00:29 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102

LOL!!   Simian=Merian=Simian.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 05:01:37 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

Maybe we need to check "her" newspaper and see what "escort services" have ads in "her" paper.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:01:57 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 05:04:12 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102

LOL!!   Simian=Merian=Simian.

Thanks for the light bulb moment.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 05:04:18 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 05:05:55 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

Maybe we need to check "her" newspaper and see what "escort services" have ads in "her" paper.

 ::MonkeyWink::

yep...but this one will not be advertised. It will be known in the "underground".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 15, 2008, 05:07:57 PM
Caps
Why are we running around looking for those apartments again?  I thought the info Yapp provided was the correct info?  Have I missed something?  Do I need to look elsewhere? Here is what we found the first time we searched around for those Dutch-owned apartments:

yapperz1
Scared Monkey
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1620 on: February 01, 2008, 08:44:19 PM »
   
Lalas the only thing that can be found so far is this:

http://tinyurl.com/2naage

go down to (CP-011) {I can't snag the pic}

Found this on chamber of commerce registry:

MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
 
Business address MOKO 30-A, NOORD
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company  MOKO APARTMENTS N.V.
Statutory seat  ARUBA
Date of incorporation  9 AUGUST 1993
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
 
DIJKHOFF, THOMAS;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 8 JANUARY 1946
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL
   
DIJKHOFF-BOEKHOUDT, LUCIA;
Residing in  TANKI LEENDERT 94-B, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 25 JUNE 1949
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective  9 AUGUST 1993
Authority  FULL


ALSO Notice "The Star" on top of the motel. Wasn't it Merian Ernest who said something about a star?
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


yapperz1

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1625 on: February 01, 2008, 09:52:45 PM »
   
Is this it Caps?

MONTANA APARTMENT
 
Business address MONTANA 6-D, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company  MONTANA APARTMENT
Date of commencement  1 JANUARY 1980
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS
 
LEEST, DOMINICO;
Residing in  MONTANJA 32, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JULY 1932
Nationality  DUTCH
Position  OWNER
Effective  16 FEBRUARY 1982
Authority  FULL 


The White House Apartments and Moko Apartments are owned by the same people and have the same address, Moko 30A, Noord.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:29:26 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.

Who?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:31:53 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.

Considering it was Merian, I think it was the line from The Misfits... :smt102

LOL!!   Simian=Merian=Simian.

Thanks for the light bulb moment.  :roll:

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse.  Simian and Merian have long been considered to be one and the same as I understand it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 05:34:56 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.

Who?

I'm probably wrong but the first name that came to mind was Renfro.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 05:36:38 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.

Who?

I'm probably wrong but the first name that came to mind was Renfro.


LOL!!  I was thinking "fluffah".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2008, 06:05:24 PM
C-Jam Hair Studio
Jucuri # 66, Santa Cruz

Our Barbers
Clarence Mardenborough
Eugene Courtar
Alcides Marine
Jonathan Oduber
Delanho Jacobs
John Lugay

http://www.c-jamproductions.com/newcjamhairmap.htm


*************


Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 DECEMBER 1995 under serial number 19639.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
 
Business address JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  C. JAM HAIR STUDIO & PRODUCTION 
Date of commencement  31 JANUARY 1996 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
MARDENBOROUGH, CLARENS EMANUEL; 
Residing in  JUCURI 66, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 20 OCTOBER 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  18 DECEMBER 1995 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAP-, MASSAGE- EN SCHOONHEIDSSALON, TEVENS HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN KAPPERSBEDRIJF MET DE WAGEN.

2. HET VERKOPEN VAN STERK-, ZWAK- EN NIET-ALCOHOLISCHE DRANKEN EN HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN INTERNET-CAFE TEVENS DE KLEINHANDEL IN SNACKS, SANDWICHES, ANDERE EETGERECHTEN EN MAALTIJDEN.

3. HET ORGANISEREN, VERZORGEN EN BEGELEIDEN VAN FEESTEN, VOORSTELLINGEN, MUZIKALE PRODUKTIES EN VERMAAK EVENEMENTEN;

4. HET ORGANISEREN, BEGELEIDEN, PROMOTEN, GEVEN EN DOEN GEVEN VAN VOORSTELLINGEN, ZOALS MUZIKALE OPTREDENS EN SPORTEVENEMENTEN (DE ZOGENAAMDE "MIX MARTIAL ARTS COMPETITIONS"). 
   
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=19600


My first thought on this was Joran asking Satish to remember to come over to cut his hair.  Maybe Satish worked part time for this Hair place.


Isn't Eduardo Croes the Top95 guy that Gielen had on the video saying something about he was crying...etc....He was one of her staunch supporters. IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 15, 2008, 06:07:08 PM
One more thing.  I believe Granny Toad has a background in Anthropology.  She looked at the Venez. bone and felt it was from that monkey/primate that begins with an M... I trust GrannyToad.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 15, 2008, 06:11:22 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

Looks kinda like gold bricks.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 15, 2008, 06:40:46 PM
http://www.arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?phone=&name=mini&page=4

Dominico  Leest lives near Joran, I think


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 15, 2008, 07:23:55 PM
OK are we saying Natalee was not taken to the Lion's Den at 15 Noord?
 
She may have been taken  to one of the other places listed?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 07:27:08 PM
Lalas are you here? Can you tell me shangos verse about the "star"? or wi8th the word star in it? I am not able to access my shango stuff at this time.


Not Shango...Merian Ernest:

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star
straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the
Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.


White House Apartments with "star" on roof.


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/WhiteHouseApts.jpg)

Looks kinda like gold bricks.......

This is the Whitehouse Cocktail Lounge,

The Apartments are behind a a large yellow door where one enter with a the car inside the Apartment garage.

THe cocktalk is at the side of the Apartments.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 07:46:12 PM
on he they in question, Rudy Croes was on Aruba. this is confirmd. Ella Yarzagarai was in Holland.

Rudy even went to visit the so call site where nataly was droped. It is documented and he was even on TV.




Caps...this would have been after the 29/30th. of May.

If Evelyn is married to a Wever and she has a son...he would be a Croes and a Wever, correct?...Sorry still looking at "G"..

Yes Correct he was here in Aruba, it is confirmed.

and yes croes wever.

Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER 3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord



Let me try this again...are you saying you know for certain that Natalee was killed in this place...the Lekker 3 apartment?  This girl that worked in this business told you where this place was or that she knew what happened there?  Please explain this to me. Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 08:05:34 PM
Which place is the Lions Den?  The Whitehouse, Brickel, Lekker?  I am confused as heck right now.  Need to rest my brain.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 08:07:07 PM
in my opinion, you need to find a male escort service and locale. That will connect to the young pimps and the newspaper.

That takes me back to Ronchi again.

someone associated with the Chemalys is also associated with pimping young boys.



Rob - On John Chemaly's MySpace he has about nine pages of friends.  Most of them are very suggestive that he is gay.  There are also a lot of photographs of him with a boy who looks much younger than himselves.  Maybe he is the one you are looking for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 08:16:38 PM
himself = himselves, sorry for the typo.

Back on the last Shango thread, I had posted some tidbits about Steve Croes.  One of the things that I found was an article saying that Eduardo (Edward) Croes, the main commentator on Top95, was an uncle of Steve Croes.  Caps, does that make him another brother of Hendrick and Rudy?  I think I also posted it around the time that the guy from Top95 burned his family.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 08:17:02 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER  3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord

This sounds like it could be the place.....  Caps, what is the name of this motel?


Dave Holloway discussed a small type of motel near the VIP Club in his book.  Next door is the Indo Restaurant, located at 17 Noord.   

From Dave's book pgs. 52-53

snipped....

Then they drove me to see the motel next door to the VIP Club.  I was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  I did not know if that meant you bring your own girl or they furnish one.

The motel has a small home like structure at the front.  Then, there are six or seven rooms that stretch down the roadway.  There were no vehicles there during daylight, but we heard that some young girls were escorted in and out of the rooms that day.  We had also heard that someone had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.   There is reason to believe that the Buddhist who met me and my sister next door at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to me.   The authorities were supposedly investigating this.  As with most of the leads that we had turned over to police, nothing ever evolved from it.  We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Abrambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.


The detectives knew the motel's owner
, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......


I read back through some of the Shango posts I had saved and found an interpretation from September 2005, made by a poster named Spider.  He came up with some very interesting stuff and some of it kinda lines up with CAPS theory.   Anyway, I thought it might be worth a second look. And I do apologize for it being so long.

CHATA
*****************************************

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
 
SHANGO'S RIDDLE

First it’s important to know who’s who

Babylon=Dutch social structure Arawaks=native Arubans
Fallen Elder=PVDS
The gods=the authorities not on the islands, a combo of both A and B perhaps, think maybe hotel and casino owners, Prime Minister, people who could have a serious affect on all if they came in and had a fit
The dice throwers=The Casino Dealers
Babilonians=Dutch on Aruba
DirtyHand=Van Der Straaten

The fly=NH used later to mean needy girls, cool guys have many flies attracted to them
Shivas=brothers
The Elders=Dutch parents
The music=bad things and rumors of bad things that have occurred
The maze=house where Raves supposedly occur, the house of Rave
The lions=those in the higher clique, those at top of illegal activity, etc on the island, the untouchables
ThreadSurfers =bloggers

One straight path

to the house of Rave,
(the party house)

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,
(does not appear as rich man’s house)

answers mysterious lie within
(contains the answers alluding everyone)

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA
(Here you will find XTC in the DNA)
(X-oTiC Massage and Escort???)

Babalu opened a window looking into babylon
(One of the Scared Monkeys solved a clue to look into Dutch social structure )

DirtyHand is alive
(Van Der Straaten is part of this)

Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
(the solution to puzzle is not in evidence sent to Holland)

that door to eden remains closed
(the key to what you are looking for remains closed )

until the house with the path,

But not of gold is entered
(until you find and enter the house mentioned above)

DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
(VDS is accepted in the circles of B and A and has a close relationship with PVDS)

The gods are talking

Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless
(People who have moved to island and identified and socialize with A can mingle with B but are not important enough for their names to be remembered)

DirtyHand can bring down all houses
(VDS is capable of destroying or tainting B’s and A’s as well)

DirtyHand is the key
(but just one of them, other is later)

His reach is long

He walks in all circles

consort to all, except for the gods
(Accepts support from all except the gods)

He knows the sacrifice is not responsible
(VDS knows Joran is not guilty)

Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?
(Who is J afraid of? )

Why won’t he talk?
(Why is he keeping quiet when he knows what happened)

The dice throwers know
(They know why J won’t talk and why VDS won’t say J’s innocent. Dice throwers also know about … )

the maze of the rave

and the fly that entered the trap
(NH)

DirtyHand is the key
(Knows everything )

He walks in many circles

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
(Did not play on the beach )

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
(DID NOT PLAY ON THE BEACH!)

DRAX SCORES
(someone (a blogger?) figured out they weren’t on the beach)

DirtyHand knows this

Children of the Elders play in the maze,

but DirtyHand is afraid to rave

Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
(STOP THINKING BEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Follow the music!
(Follow the rumors and the bad things you have heard)

Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
(NH knew where she was going, she wanted what she thought was there)

The lamb is scared
(Joran (sacrificial lamb that is not guilty)

The fires are lit
(Action begins)

But now the lamb is a goat
(Now J is brunt of jokes, slurs )

Mary never heard the buoy toll
(NH didn’t notice the sinister change, a warning of bad to come)

ask the men who play dice and "roll"
(they know she was unaware of what was coming)

Follow the music

The DiceMen must be questioned.

They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
(They go to these “parties” )

Mary who was not a virgin entered

The DiceMen ROLLED
(rolled-got high on X)

Mary ROLLED

Mary ROLLED through the Maze
(Maze (capitalized now) becomes the sinister game )

There is more than one house of music
(more than one house where bad things happen. You have to find the correct house of music. Later clue will tell you the lion of that house stays home (maybe doesn’t work?)

the Lamb is a Scapegoat

The Lamb returned to the fold
(Went home )

Mary Rolled

And the lions played

Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers
(The internet bloggers communicating world wide )

The maze offers many hidden desires
(Small m maze=house )

deflowerings of forbidden fruits
(Girls not normally available to them )

DirtyHand knows.
(Knows all about this)

So does the elder.
(PVDS )

The lamb is a scapegoat.

DirtyHand has walked through the maze
(And next two sentences go together)

He knows of the forbidden fruit

and the gardeners
(metaphor for those who prepare and clean the area, obtain the flower, bring it to the maze )

Why do they leave the Maze open?
(why does this game continue when VDS knows about it? )

Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
(Why hasn’t an Aruban looked into what is happening? It’s not hidden and continues to operate.)

Tell the Cowboys!
(Arubans, tell the Americans, etc who have come to the rescue!)

The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

All know of the music

beckoning lost souls

to enter the seven levels of inferno
(maze has seven levels, could be rooms (or 7 lions), like Dante’s Inferno, each room could be set up differently (S&M, etc), each consecutive a more depraved “desire” than the previous)

who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
(Who was it that slipped something in her drink…could have been a lion at C&C, not J )

Enter the Maze.
(You are being asked to enter the activities, to picture it)

Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon
(A threadsurfer )

DirtyHand does not play with the lions
(Next few sentences are the refrain)

but he has entered the maze

the lamb is a scapegoat

DirtyHand knows

So does the Elder

Follow the music

into the maze

the lions know they are being stalked
(stalked…by those with an interest in their activities)

the gamblers and other Rollers talk
(among themselves )

tell the cowboys!
(Small c ..tell the authorities. )

The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
(They are not going to tell the cowboys the real story of what happened unless they have to)

Follow the music,
but be careful because

the lions are not tame
(untouchable and not tamed, will turn on you )

DirtyHand knows,

so does the elder

Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened

but they can’t hear the music.

The Arawaks know
(they do know about the music, the bad things )

(Tone changes starting here, Shango getting angry because he is not being heard )

Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides
(Word stupid is out of character with rest, is scathing and condescending as in “how stupid can you be to pick the bottom of supposed “structure” to lead you to its weaknesses” To the A’s, when Cowboys leave, maybe everything will be the same, so not going to stir up a hornets’ nest that might sting them )

Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,
(Veiled hints have been given to them, but they just don’t get it )

they must enter the maze!
(They must be led to and enter the maze, the correct house of course )

Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.

Mary rolled into the maze

to play with lions

but it was not a game

the lamb ran bleating

afraid to walk through the maze

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?

The cowboys don’t know.
(They are unaware. )

DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
(If he chances telling, tourism dies, Arubans lose jobs and turn on him. Attitude is “we’re almost home with this one, the wool’s over their eyes, hang in there, they are trusting and believing every untrue thing we have been saying and with that provided theory, looking in all the wrong places. They will leave soon….there is no body where they can find it.(tells us later where the body is…or perhaps she is still alive there)

The gods are talking

The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague
(Perhaps the Simian is a blogger and Shango told him the evidence report from Holland would be negative)

I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen
(He had no faith in my words, probably on trumped up path the Cowboys are taking. )

The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions
(There are Mazes on other islands, no one is aware)

without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys
(if someone doesn’t speak up with the truth, the present lie will prevail )

they will leave without loot
(they will go home without NH )

Shango is the god of justice
(Shango is the personification of who the writer feels should make sure justice prevails. At the moment, the writer is imbued with Shango. When all chance for justice is gone, someone else somewhere will become Shango. )

alive in many forms

he who speaks through Oxum through lightning

and himself through thunder

father of the violent dance

diviner of secrets of the seven levels of inferno
(It was Shango who discovered the truth in this case )

bound to truth even as it burns
(And is bound to reveal the truth even if it hurts him (now the writer) personally )

so that justice may be brought.

Only those who cRave music go into the Maze ...
(Double meaning crave=yearn, crave=do drugs and want or do bad things enter the game )

The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir
(The Dutch have decided the story, and the Arubans will repeat it incessently )

the music which holds the answers lies within the maze
(The answers are in the house )

the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings
(Innocently, trustingly will believe what they hear because they think the Arubans believe this (because they keep repeating the same scenario )

backs turned to the maze
(The Arubans don’t acknowledge the house )

from the poison song
From the story they are repeating

(All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs )

How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes
(How these needy girls enter a trap because of the sweet nothings whispered in their ears )

Shango must leave to feed the messengers

Shango the god is sad because he sees history repeating itself, a new set of lions is being created:

The gods are talking

Follow the notes

to the poison house
(Poison because of what it is allowing to be formed )

where the children of the babylonians and the arawak nation meet,
(the school )

under cover of delusion.
(Illusion of equality is given, parents of Aruban children believe it )

In the maze
(Now the school and/or playground )

the lions which play

shall be found.

The gamblers also took note.
(They are watching to see who will emerge as the favorites (lions, of course)

Tell the cowboys!
(Will someone recognize what’s happening and talk to whoever can prevent it!)

Now back to the present situation:

Not all lions leave their den
(Your clue to help you find the correct house. )

That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
)NH will not be found in the light, you must look in the dark places of the house )


And now a prediction


Babylon is Falling

The Arawak teepees will be crushed

will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion

to make the cowboys smile
)Obviously the Arubans are not going to expose truth unless they have to, so will the lamb be accepted or will the Arubans have expose the lions? )

The arawaks must hunt the lions

in the place of darkness

house of secrets

The babylonian and the shivas did not build castles in the sand
(Joran and the Kalpoes did not go to the beach. Can I make this anymore clear? Think!!!)

They lost to the lions
(At the party, the lions took charge of NH, maybe told J to get lost )

dirty hand knows the elder knows and so do the arawaks

the cowboys are far from the house of babylon
(They will cluelessly search the whole island, but not search the corrupt )

the maze shall remain dark

to all but the arawak nation and the elders

The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
(This is a different simian (Josse?) than the original, wants the situation exposed (in June) but this sentence is not true the end of July. What changed him mind?)

DirtyHand knows Simian knows

The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the Hague

Information the Simian left for 2 days was incorrect

His lordship brought nothing from the Hague the

Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
(Holding J in jail )

There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.

Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too
(But the jail keepers can’t let him confess . )

Many teepees fall. No Wampum.

Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.

Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
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If I had a brain~ I'd be dangerous


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 08:30:44 PM
A couple of things that stood out for me in Spider's post:

1. Not all lions leave their den
(Your clue to help you find the correct house. )

2.That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
)NH will not be found in the light, you must look in the dark places of the house )

3.The children of the babylonians and the Arawak nation ... being related to school.  Remember the phone video of the rape at the school???

4. Spider's interpretation of the gardners.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 08:40:54 PM
Here is more of the same conversation about those apartments:

yapperz1


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1629 on: February 01, 2008, 10:07:12 PM »
   
Caps:

VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
 
Business address MONTANJA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  ASSOCIATION 
Name of the VERENIGING VAN EIGENAREN MONTANA APPARTEMENTEN 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 21 JULY 1995 
incorporation/commencement:
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
VAN DIJK, JOHANNES; 
Residing in  NOORDERPLASSENWEG 38, 1316 US ALMERE, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, HAARLEM on 12 JANUARY 1962 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position 
Effective  6 JUNE 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
VAN DER LUYT, ALBERTUS; 
Residing in  CATHARINADAL 9, 5235 BJ DEN BOSCH, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NOORDWIJK on 28 OCTOBER 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
 
BARNAS, PETRONELLA GEERTRUIDA; 
Residing in  VAN HALEWIJNBAAN 329, 2274 TK VOORBURG, THE NETHERLANDS 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, VOORBURG on 7 APRIL 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  1 NOVEMBER 2006 
Authority  RESTRICTED 


This is your reply:

CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #1631 on: February 01, 2008, 10:26:49 PM »
   
Yes

lala

the one with the gold paint and the road is paved

The question is in which room?


In my report I choose the White one but my road is not paved

The Montana Park Apartment is where all started..The Sex etc....

so look for the owners

In their website there is a Holland phone: I wonder who will answer..

Pauls brother or Anitas Mother...

LOL




A while back CAPS had us looking for an apartment that someone involved in the case owned, but I thought it was near the Raquet Club.  Is this near the Raquet club?  If Anita's mother or Paul's brother answer the phone, then they must live here or own the place.  Wasn't Anita visiting her mother in Holland?  This place must be Paul's little nest where he parties and takes advantage of young girls.  If the diceman (Guido Wever) knows the place, as Shango says, then does Guido live here or have a connection, too?  Is Guido related to the Sloots through Paul's brother or one of Anita's siblings? If Steve Croes is the one who invites everyone to the parties, then he must somehow be attached to this place, also?  Oh CAPS, my head is spinning.  When we get to the end of the riddle you really must write it all down for us so that we can remember everything that we found.   ::MonkeyConfused::  I see some more genealogy coming.  A few days ago CAPS told us to find a Croes who isn't called Croes.  Rudy Croes is Godfather to the youngest Sloot so the families must be pretty close.
Am I rambling??? ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 09:38:00 PM
I think Caps code key is slightly different from the accepted one so many of us have used in the past:

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #94 on: Today at 07:17:02 PM »
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Quote from: Pita on Today at 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on Today at 02:21:08 PM


Now Natalee was killed in the HOUSe of SEX NEAR the LEKKER RESTAURANT. Jus beside it is this place. I had to ask this girl that work in this bussiness.

There are 7 operatin escort in Aruba.
All are in The News in the evening section
if a tourist want they will stat in the hotel room

There are only 3 places used

The brickel is 1
The Whitehouse is 2
Apartment near LEkkER 3

most popular is no. 3

now I need to find the escord

This sounds like it could be the place.....  Caps, what is the name of this motel?


Dave Holloway discussed a small type of motel near the VIP Club in his book.  Next door is the Indo Restaurant, located at 17 Noord.   

From Dave's book pgs. 52-53

snipped....

Then they drove me to see the motel next door to the VIP Club.  I was told it was a whorehouse where you pay by the hour.  I did not know if that meant you bring your own girl or they furnish one.

The motel has a small home like structure at the front.  Then, there are six or seven rooms that stretch down the roadway.  There were no vehicles there during daylight, but we heard that some young girls were escorted in and out of the rooms that day.  We had also heard that someone had arrived that day with sophisticated camera equipment.   There is reason to believe that the Buddhist who met me and my sister next door at the VIP Club may have known the person or persons who were holding Natalee captive in the motel and was trying to make a deal to sell her back to me.   The authorities were supposedly investigating this.  As with most of the leads that we had turned over to police, nothing ever evolved from it.  We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Abrambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl.  He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.


The detectives knew the motel's owner, so we drove by his home.  We were hoping he would be there so we could talk to him.  We were in an unmarked car with heavily tinted windows and a regular license plate that was rotated out frequently so as not to be recognizable.  He was not at home, but the detectives said they would keep a close watch on him......


I read back through some of the Shango posts I had saved and found an interpretation from September 2005, made by a poster named Spider.  He came up with some very interesting stuff and some of it kinda lines up with CAPS theory.   Anyway, I thought it might be worth a second look. And I do apologize for it being so long.

CHATA
*****************************************

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
 
SHANGO'S RIDDLE

First it’s important to know who’s who

Babylon=Dutch social structure Arawaks=native Arubans (Caps says that this is a myriad or different people...from reporters to LAW depending on what part of the story you are talking about)
Fallen Elder=PVDS
The gods=the authorities not on the islands, a combo of both A and B perhaps, think maybe hotel and casino owners, Prime Minister, people who could have a serious affect on all if they came in and had a fit
The dice throwers=The Casino Dealers
Babilonians=Dutch on Aruba(Again, a different person depending on the story)
DirtyHand=Van Der Straaten ( Caps says that Duetekom is DH as wells as Trudy Hassell)

The fly=NH used later to mean needy girls, cool guys have many flies attracted to them
Shivas=brothers (I am sure Caps told me that this would be the hired hitmen and not the Kalpoes, if that is what is meant by "brothers")
The Elders=Dutch parents
The music=bad things and rumors of bad things that have occurred
The maze=house where Raves supposedly occur, the house of Rave
The lions=those in the higher clique, those at top of illegal activity, etc on the island, the untouchables
ThreadSurfers =bloggers

Just a few things that are different...which leads to more varied interpretations of Shango...which to me is even more confusing...but I await the final draft of the truth here with bated breath.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 09:52:26 PM
Betico, Hendrick and Rudy Croes…Brothers!!!!

Will not waste time looking anymore, as far as I am concerned the 3 are brothers! Took me forever last time to find a DOB for Rudy and not going there again…I am convinced!…LOL…also see SS’s posts and my earlier post today, from arubagirl, on this.

Hendrick - January 8th. 1942

http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=10


http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/473

(70) Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes


Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.
He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.
Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.
Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.
Has 2 sons, Glenbert & Junior Croes.


Gold Coast Aruba
Says Rudy and Frito…pic didn’t show up, so I’m not sure what it is!
http://www.goldcoastaruba.com/newsDtls.aspx?id=21






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:07:30 PM
But, is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Would someone please shake that tree again? 

BTW, Sorry that I messed up that quote above Chata...my fault...I really should be more careful. Please forgive me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 10:19:52 PM
But, is Steve really Hendrick, Jr?  Would someone please shake that tree again? 

BTW, Sorry that I messed up that quote above Chata...my fault...I really should be more careful. Please forgive me.

And is Rudy called Edward/Eduardo at times, no wonder I am confused!

This is a serious question?...TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 10:28:18 PM
Mum,

If you are interested, Glenbert and Junior are here:  http://aroiltradingpartners.com/about_us


AROIL TRADING 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 10:38:51 PM
Mom,

By the time that we are finished CAPS will have a huge volume to write.  We should all get leather bound copies.


I don't know if I have the energy to shake the Steve Croes tree again.  CAPS keeps telling us that he is Hendrik, Jr.  I have searched high and low through every Aruban/Dutch genealogy source that I could find.  I can't get anything that clearly delineates the two youngest generations which would be from about 1940 until now.  CAPS posted the information on Steve that he found in the Aruban registries - I think it was back in the last thread.  If I recall Steve was born in Curacao and they later brought him to Aruba.  Maybe he's the black sheep of the family and he's such a dirtball that he lives with his grandparents.  He's probably an embarrassment to that fine family of Betico, Hendrik, and Rudy.  ::MonkeyHaHa::   I am also suggesting that we add another brother to the clan and that is Eduardo (Edward) who is the TOP95 radio person.  Steve claims that Edward is his uncle. He's probably a loser like Steve or he would have been Minister of something or other, instead of a disc jockey.  ::MonkeyWink::

Steve Croes (26-year-old), the fourth suspect in the case of missing Natalee Holloway, is a nephew of one of the main commentator on Top95 FM.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&;page=1151

A few days ago CAPS suggested that we shake that Croes tree again to find a Croes who's name isn't Croes.  I think that I'm getting a Boolean headache.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 10:42:20 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 10:43:33 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.

nope I'm wrong, it was Gilberto.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 10:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.



He and Junior are Betico's sons, aren't they?  CAPS told us that Rudy is a player and that he beats his wife.


Yoo Hoo Klaas, Is there a way the we can find that post from CAPS which shows the registry information for Steve Croes and his parents?  It was somewhere in the last thread, I think.  The registry also gave the G in his middle name as his mother's maiden name instead of the name that we had.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 15, 2008, 10:56:16 PM
So do we have a pic of Hendrick, Jr.?   I am more interested in seeing what Caps has done.  How much longer is this going to take? And when we do see his theory can any of it be proven and what good will it be when it's all said and done?  What if we find out that Shango was just a bored comic book novelist?  What if we find out that Shango was never even in Aruba and made it all up?  What if we find out Caps is Shango?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 15, 2008, 10:58:43 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.



He and Junior are Betico's sons, aren't they?  CAPS told us that Rudy is a player and that he beats his wife.


Yoo Hoo Klaas, Is there a way the we can find that post from CAPS which shows the registry information for Steve Croes and his parents?  It was somewhere in the last thread, I think.  The registry also gave the G in his middle name as his mother's maiden name instead of the name that we had.

right Betico... I wonder why Oduder kicked him outta the party his father formed? Maybe is was the drugs??? nahhh that can't be it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 15, 2008, 11:00:51 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
I'm still reading the things I have saved and came across some more interesting info related to Shango.  I may have credited the wrong person with the info I have posted and if that is the case please know it was not intentional.  I just did not organize things very well.  If you recognize your post, please make a correction.

If I am muddying the waters with this old info, tell me and I will not post any more. 

CHATA

**********************
Quote:

How about Ruben Trappenburg (sp?) as Alcazar? The summarized opinions fit in very well with all the statements I have heard from him from day 1. He was the one who brought up the duck's eggs and work permits, etc. He has been very negative and nasty, and appears to believe this is all just a big inconvenience to the Aruban govt, and Americans family, media, searchers, etc., are a big pain.
_________________

Hi.

I was reading Alcarez and Gordos stuff again.

This stuck out:

Malchus: Jewish born counselor
Captain Haddock: Explorer
Yemaya: goddess that rules over the ocean
Ladino: Jewish speaking: Jeruselum


They are a power unto themselves... they are NOT part of the NWO. They have aligned, over the years, with Faction Two. Remember "Lucky" Luciano. The Sicilian Mafia understands the new world order... it's the real Jewish Mafia. The Aruban mafia is so powerful that even the NWO leaves them alone! They make the Muslim terrorists look like Keystone Cops

http://www.ujcl.org/aruba/
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=73437


Hmmm!

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: ignore.php?mode=add&username=omega&topic=1182
 
Quote:

lion
The lion is a meat-eating African mammal. Lions are nocturnal (most active at night). A group of lions is called a pride.
They are mainly nocturnal and work in teams to stalk and ambush prey. HABITAT:
The African lion inhabits grassy plains, savannahs, open woodlands and scrub country.

IMHO: lions = night people...partiers, drug dealers/users
_________________

Quote:

Wampum, My thoughts:
We signed the bill, under $100, to the room, intending to use Wampum to pay later. Here in the land of the Pequot you earned Wampum from your casino play. We planned to earn heap big Wampum, especially if I got knocked out of the tournament early.
http://www.brodietech.com/liontales/2003_11_01_liontales_archive.html

....wanted to look for Shana because in Aruba we had kind of said we’d see each other here but Shortstack wanted to get an early start so we powwowed with the casino hosts over the wampum needed to pay our bill and checked out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The ruling "enables an Indian tribe to become a political cash register that can gulp 'soft money' from any source and disgorge it as 'hard money' contributions or expenditures," explains Ed Zuckerman, editor of the PACs and Lobbies newsletter. Zuckerman concluded that the FEC gave tribes "a unique opportunity to earn transaction fees and commissions by utilizing their tribal accounts to launder soft money into a new form of hard money that might be called 'political wampum.'"
"The McCain-Feingold Indian Giving Loophole"/by Michelle Malkin/Capitalism Magazine/ 4.12.01

Aruba plays a significant role as an offshore center for drug-related money laundering. Money laundering organizations are well established on Aruba and enjoy protection from considerable bank secrecy laws and a stable currency. The organizations use Aruba's offshore banking and incorporation systems, free-zone areas, and resort/casino complexes, to transfer and to launder drug proceeds. In 2000, the GOA issued several decrees on money laundering that included increased oversight of casinos and insurance companies. The Netherlands Antilles' large offshore financial sector, bank secrecy, casino/resort complexes, high volume of American and Dutch tourism, and stable currencies make the country conducive to money laundering. Trinidad and Tobago is not an important regional or offshore financial center. However, drug traffickers reportedly have laundered money using overvalued purchase prices, real estate, casinos, stockbrokers, insurance companies, and other nonfinancial establishments.
"The Drug Trade in the Caribbean: A Threat Assessment"/U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration/This report was prepared by the Strategic South America/Caribbean Unit (NIBC) of the Strategic Intelligence Section of the Office of International Enforcement Support. The Attorney General has determined that publication of this periodical is necessary in the transaction of the public business required by law of the Department of Justice./ August 2001
http://www.casinowatch.org/crime/money_laundering.html

IMHO, wampum = comps, barters, for use w/casinos &/or money laundering

(as an aside...don't the mansurs own much of the free-trade-zone in aruba?! & aren't van rijn's companies located in the aruba free-zone, barcadera??!)

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:38 pm Post subject: ignore.php?mode=add&username=Hopefloats&topic=957




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 11:14:07 PM
Glenbert Croes was banned by Oduber and the MEP and started his won party, where he is chairman, leader, etc... I also understand he had a crack or cocaine problem.

I'm pretty sure I have the right Croes.



He and Junior are Betico's sons, aren't they?  CAPS told us that Rudy is a player and that he beats his wife.


Yoo Hoo Klaas, Is there a way the we can find that post from CAPS which shows the registry information for Steve Croes and his parents?  It was somewhere in the last thread, I think.  The registry also gave the G in his middle name as his mother's maiden name instead of the name that we had.

Is it this?
Good Morning Monkeys,

Last night when hotping sign out, SS pass a peace of Fabric to the Caps, The CAPS HORATIO went to his CAPS LAB where he took out the peace of fabric which has a fingerprint on it but was invisible. it was more 2.5 year invisible. In this LAB the fabric was put into the Microwave and bombarded with some UV rays. After this process The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric again and this time applied some drop of superglue on it and put it into this vacuum chamber.

After that, The CAPS HORATIO took the fabric with the vapor of superglue, and applied a bit of heat till the vapor crystallize and then the fingerprint was visible. Then again took the fabric and put it under the electron microscope, What CAPS HORATIO saw was the DNA of the S.G.C Now the last step was left was to pass the fabric under this new acquired Spectrum Analyzer to see the whole DNA of SGC.

ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD




Whose address is that?  Steve Croes??  Thanks.

My answer is in RED as securtiy




Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 14
Rooi Santo 16
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 2
Rooi Santo 25F
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 4B
Rooi Santo 8
Rooi Santo 8
Salinja Cerca 28
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 30
Salinja Cerca 67
Tanki Flip 18
Tanki Leendert 167H
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Turibana 43
Salinja Cerca 30
Rooi Santo 4
Rooi Santo 4B
Turibana 43
Kamay 3A
Rooi Santo 27
Rooi Santo 4A
Rooi Santo 14

Steve croes is register in this address list that belongs to the Gei FAMALY in Noord.

the GEI Famaly is all in noord and in this famaly there is no Croes at all.

Rooisanto 4B belong to GEI famaly. The whole Rooisanto area belong to the GEI's

One single croes mix in all the GEI's. How can that be?




Ex-wife or girlfriend? / mother of his child is Jeanet Gei.


Mother: Imelda Stacia-Soliana or Imolda Statia Saliana  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2008, 11:15:04 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1480
 
ANALYSYS REPORT FOLLOWS:

S.G.C Not Biological Father =  Croes Hendrik S.   DOB=1/8/1942 GOV. LAWYER , RUNS over POLICE, runs the MEP party
S.G.C Mother = Croes, Born. Garrido - Filomena M.  DOB=10/7/1943

PAPA & MAMA Address Aruba, Seroe Pita 22

Filomena Garrido Croes (Mitchi as callname) uses her born last name on the son.

Son Name was Steve Garrido Croes Junior.

There is also Edward Croes who is the brother of Steve.

There is Evelin Croes who is married to a Wever.

FOR SOME REASON THESE INFO ARE HIDDEN. (MYSTERY)

NOTE: THE CAPS HORACIO much better show than CSI MIAMI HORACIO.

CAPSLOCKWIZRD


(this was the original post from Caps, I believe there was a later edit to some information, I don't have that one handy but you can go to the link and see it also)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 15, 2008, 11:15:52 PM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 11:16:29 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)




Oh CAPS, I am just absolutely overwhelmed with horror.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


What can be done to search this pond?  Do the Halloways and the FBI have this information?  Was Natalee the only young woman that was victimized for two hours?  What does Anita's mother and Paulus's brother have to do with this?  I am horrified at Renfro.  CAPS, what can we do?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:17:13 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

Afirmative (YES)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 15, 2008, 11:24:43 PM
Thanks so much Klass, you are great!    ::MonkeyCool::

I forgot to tell you that you could find it in the vaccum cleaner.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:27:56 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)




Oh CAPS, I am just absolutely overwhelmed with horror.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


What can be done to search this pond?  Do the Halloways and the FBI have this information?  Was Natalee the only young woman that was victimized for two hours?  What does Anita's mother and Paulus's brother have to do with this?  I am horrified at Renfro.  CAPS, what can we do?

Status
Dave know about this place. The Ocean Explorer scanned the pond. They have the map and know what is in it.

John stayed and kept an eye on the side with the ALE till before the strike begin. 2 days the before venezuala crisis, John and some one scanned the pond.

This is the pond that my report show in January. The info was passed to Dave ten hand it was scan before they left to the state.

Now shango is pointing to the same area.

We need forensec down here ASAP but who will request this to Hans MOS. or the FBI should come down but they to know about this area. I did sent my report to them in January. but notting has been done. The Shango is showing also an peace pipe offering...

TBC.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 15, 2008, 11:28:24 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


Solved ... Good!

Awaiting your whole Shango/Simian explanation.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 15, 2008, 11:31:35 PM

Thanks Caps!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:36:35 PM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 11:46:45 PM
Mum,

If you are interested, Glenbert and Junior are here:  http://aroiltradingpartners.com/about_us


AROIL TRADING 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=33754

Interesting, Glembert own many people on Aruba Money.

Now check also Nelson Oduber, He also has open a bussines, I may recall it was in offshore oil rigging.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 15, 2008, 11:56:32 PM
Capslock - can you tell us what this "breaking news" is about?

Atraco na un cas den Caya Jauncho Kock       
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 - 23:04 
Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4529/8/#jc_allComments


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
CAPS,  Thank you so much for your help.  We know that you have taken a great risk to give us this information.  We do appreciate you and don't you dare go away now that you have given us the answers.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2008, 12:04:18 AM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Quote
Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Quote
Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 16, 2008, 12:08:49 AM
Capslock - can you tell us what this "breaking news" is about?

Atraco na un cas den Caya Jauncho Kock       
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 - 23:04 
Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4529/8/#jc_allComments

Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen.

A moment ago, a chineese man was held-up / robbed in his house located in Juancho Kock Street. The person was bound and held-up. soon there will be more info and pictures.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 12:17:47 AM
Hi Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

Who is the Minister that owns Brothels in Venezuela? Jossy mentioned this in his paper and said he would name names and would tell more..But never did..It caught my attention because he said he was angry after Jorans release and mentioned this in regards to Natalee's case. Is it Rudy Croes? We saw early in the case he was nailed for giving work visas to 3 girls from the D.R. who he forced into prostitution and held them against there will(Allegedly) He was in pretty hot water with that country but somehow nothing was ever done. He claimed he put them to work in San Nicolas to paint..lol!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 16, 2008, 12:22:42 AM
Capslock - can you tell us what this "breaking news" is about?

Atraco na un cas den Caya Jauncho Kock       
Tuesday, 15 April 2008 - 23:04 
Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4529/8/#jc_allComments

Algun rato pasa a sosode un atraco den un cas di chines den Caya Juancho Kock. E persona nan a wordo mara y atraca. Den algun momento nos lo pone mas informacion y imagen.

A moment ago, a chineese man was held-up / robbed in his house located in Juancho Kock Street. The person was bound and held-up. soon there will be more info and pictures.

Thanks Capslock - I couldn't make anything out even with the pap translator  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2008, 12:41:19 AM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Quote
Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Quote
Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture..... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
SNIP


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2008, 12:50:03 AM
Hi Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

Who is the Minister that owns Brothels in Venezuela? Jossy mentioned this in his paper and said he would name names and would tell more..But never did..It caught my attention because he said he was angry after Jorans release and mentioned this in regards to Natalee's case. Is it Rudy Croes? We saw early in the case he was nailed for giving work visas to 3 girls from the D.R. who he forced into prostitution and held them against there will(Allegedly) He was in pretty hot water with that country but somehow nothing was ever done. He claimed he put them to work in San Nicolas to paint..lol!

*******,
Caps may know more about what you're talking about; I remembered this incident with "Booshi Wever" in Venezuela.  I think there was a front page post about it too.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360480 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360480)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 16, 2008, 12:58:11 AM
Hi Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

Who is the Minister that owns Brothels in Venezuela? Jossy mentioned this in his paper and said he would name names and would tell more..But never did..It caught my attention because he said he was angry after Jorans release and mentioned this in regards to Natalee's case. Is it Rudy Croes? We saw early in the case he was nailed for giving work visas to 3 girls from the D.R. who he forced into prostitution and held them against there will(Allegedly) He was in pretty hot water with that country but somehow nothing was ever done. He claimed he put them to work in San Nicolas to paint..lol!

All these Ministers have dirty secrets.

E.G. Rudy Croes likes to go to Montana Aprt 101, not to far from Joran house and hide his USV behinde the building and so to spend the night with this Colombian Girls. He do forget sometimes how many permit does he give to these chineese business people who hire only colombians bar mate in exchange for cases of Heineken and sexual favors. There is so dirt that even after presure wash it still will not come off.

R.C Job before Minister of Justice was an Laboratory analys of feases. How in the world do you have the expertise to know the legal system of Holland and the world. his capacity is zero. he can not managed on their own and thats why they need so many advisors to help him think. it is an island with 110.000 inhabitant and not 100 million and they can not even managed the small size. go wonder.

Now for Booshi Wever. The man that falsificate his Degree to get a Job in the government and them when he was working in his position applied for government grand to go get the real degree.
The man that go to Venezuela and bought himself a strip join and where he was arrested for drug traficing, he paid his way out the problem with drug money. He forgot that as Healt Minister at least the person in charge should be a person in the medical profession and with a Valid Degree to understant the issues at hand. Watch the news these days of the big scandal comming down in the Money laundring in the Healt system. USA allready arrested Miakito Farro who is accused of money laundring in the Labroratory of the government. Today there the AZV is claiming that the laboratory still own them 7.2 million that was supposed to be paid in 2006 now is 2008 and there is no invoices passed from the Laboratory to be paid to the AZV Insurance company. As shango would say follow the music. to much to mention

TBC.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 01:48:21 AM
Thanks Caps and I love your sense of Humor  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your saying Candelerio Wever and Booshi are one in the same? I remember he was busted with a ton of coke in Venezuela and 250k which he used to buy his freedom...Makes me wonder if he is related to our gay pimp Guido?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 16, 2008, 02:16:19 AM
Thanks Caps and I love your sense of Humor  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Your saying Candelerio Wever and Booshi are one in the same? I remember he was busted with a ton of coke in Venezuela and 250k which he used to buy his freedom...Makes me wonder if he is related to our gay pimp Guido?

Booshi Wever is his call name but his real name is Calendario Booshi Wever.

the story about the venezuela case is true. The bar is located in Punto Figo near the port off entrance into venezuela. Booshi thinks that he is above the law.. Well think again ....with the same law tape measure he measure the oposations today, and when they will come into power, they will messure him against the same tape. If he is clean, then there is nothing to worried about. But if he is Dirty, there is a broom and a mop waiting him  and the walls are 12 meter high and has 8 secure door to exit.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 03:36:08 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

Afirmative (YES)


So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's (think I remember the name) from CA took pictures of?

Was this called the "Lion's Den"?

If this has already been answered... sorry, am catching up in reading this thread.


Keep up the Good Work, Monkeys. CAPS take care. Don't trust anyone. Be safe!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 04:10:48 AM
CAPS very interested in your map! ::MonkeyDance::

The Lekker restaurant... any tie ins with the gang "Bike" this that is the name
"Bike Lekker Gang" that was first mentioned either on SM or RWV

I see "pipes" marked... since I am way behind on reading this thread... is this important?

IS the path in front of the apts. the only way to get to the Pond? (looks like a path threw the trees)

There was a rumor in the beginning the NH was in a freezer for awhile. Is this why the store is marked?

The Aruban Supreme Court says that Paulus was Natalee at 4 AM (his second time that evening) near the MacDonald's. Are these Apts near there? If she was at the filming in the apts. how long would it take to go from there to the MacDonalds.

Let's see... if she was there, filmed then who gave her the drink at 3 AM
the wine of Baccus?

What is directly behind the apts?  more land or garages?

How old is the map??? for if it is the Lions Den as pictured about 2 1/2 years ago they have cut out much of the vegetation from the back.

OK, say she is in the pond... why hasn't anything surfaced yet? or was she moved from there too? say to the dump or cremation or the ocean?


Reminder to Self: get cable or DSL with Stimulus Package in June!!!! 56k takes hours to read lately.

From a recent translation of yours... I am guessing "den" means "was or had"

if so, going with someone who said Lions are men of the night, and den was had, could the play on words mean "Men had" and the House of Rave could be the store?\

Can't get out exactly what I mean. Need sleep. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:15:15 AM

« Reply #96 on: April 15, 2008, 08:40:54 PM »SS...

A while back CAPS had us looking for an apartment that someone involved in the case owned, but I thought it was near the Raquet Club.  Is this near the Raquet club?   If Anita's mother or Paul's brother answer the phone, then they must live here or own the place.  Wasn't Anita visiting her mother in Holland?  This place must be Paul's little nest where he parties and takes advantage of young girls.
Snipped…

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 SS…An apartment or villa by the Racquet Club was discussed last week, along with the Ponson’s who owned it in 2005. The Racquet Club has had my attention because of the activity there every day after May 29th. , the two people employed by them that were questioned, and one Jorge Porras Sanches/Sanchez. (18 year old or Tennis Pro who also works the Holiday Inn)

This was all posted last week in the other thread, along with copies of the items from the Dr. Phil Log. Lala’s and I have posted many times pondering just what Jorge was petitioning the courts to have returned.

The only response from Caps regarding the Racquet Club has been that he was not on Aruba in 2005. And the only Ponsons I have seen him mention are Sydney and Giovanni.

The Racquet Club was totally remodeled in 2005, there are villa and houses surrounding the Racquet Club, the gardener saw a car and 3 people there, the pimps met there daily in the week following Natalee’s disappearance and ALE picked up Joran from there. (See Kermit’s post from last week from Deepak’s PV)


Will start a thread on the Racquet Club as soon as I finish some research on it.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:17:54 AM
One more thing.  I believe Granny Toad has a background in Anthropology.  She looked at the Venez. bone and felt it was from that monkey/primate that begins with an M... I trust GrannyToad.

Thanks Buckeye for clearing this up...I do too and have saved posts that I run across.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 04:23:14 AM
You said the Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door

OK... I take them to be the two buildings to the left of the apts... It looks as if the buildings have some addons in back... it their workers live there.( in some counties even the US, workers have been known to live in back in good and bad conditions)...If open late at night wouldn't the workers or owners know what goes on in the apts?

Did the back have cameras for that night?

What is all that white stuff and other stuff along the fence of the apts to the right. What kind of business is that? And what is in back of the apts?

Even in the San Fernando Vally, the porno film studio capital, it isn't easy to film without a ruckess and lots of cars, unless come car pooled to the party... hence cars following Joran, Depak and Satish.

Was Paulus the producer and distributer???? Does this area have WIFI?

TIA... now back to catching up.

Wow... some of us codetalkers, lurkers have been here 3 yrs??? Where's Anna? Where's DutchLady?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:26:13 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)

Caps...This is not the same apartments we discussed previously, the ones that Lala's posted about a couple of pages back. The ones where you said a relative of the Sloots would answer the phone in the Netherlands!

This is not the same map you posted either. Is it even in the same area!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:35:24 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.



Freddy....the one we spent hours and about 10 pages discussing a couple of weeks back, only for Caps to tell us he doesn't exist!

FREDDY ALEXANDER ZEDAN ARAMBATZIS IS A MADE UP NAME AN ALIAS...so how can he have a brother? This is what Caps stated on the previous thread and I will not waste time going back to find it)

Sorry Caps...where did you say 7A Catiri is?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 04:38:17 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

Afirmative (YES)



But totally unrelated to this case, right Caps?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: IBE on April 16, 2008, 05:02:42 AM
Meant to ask "Does the ATM/Bank have cameras at night that would also who the traffic in the backgrounds on the road?'


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 05:03:05 AM
This is the latest from Caps on the Croes’ genealogy posted yesterday, and my responses, which Caps must have missed as I did not see a reply from him!

« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2008, 02:02:20 PM »    Quote
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 15, 2008, 01:29:47 PM
Caps...Who are Evelyn's sons? She is Croes-Wever and listed at that same law firm.

Is Rudy sometimes called Edward/ Eduardo?

And who is Mito Croes? Is he related to Rudy, Hendrick and Evelyn?...TIA


Caps reply...

Hendrick Croes is married to Mitch Garido

From this marrage came: Edwardo - Evelyn - and another son

My 70 year old friend is telling me that Mitch Garido had another son before. he could not remember this son name.

Now Evelyn married to Wever.


Betico Croes is the father of Rudy Croes, Glambert Croes,

Betico Croes is the one that give Aruba his Status aparte and The Croes's are proud of it. 

Now Hendrick Croes and Betico Croes are Brothers

I will check the whole famaly tree to be exact.

If uncle Hendrick need to protect the Lineage of the The Croes... Imaging a Croes killer or a Croes Economy Destroyer or a Croes Beast. This can not happend.

So Unlce Hendrick Croes need to protect this Kid and so the plan was put in motion.

If it was not related to them, they would be already sitting in prison for 2.5 year allready serving a 20 year sentance.

CAPS

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My response…« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2008, 02:22:41 PM »


Caps... I have been round and round and up the path many times on this. I believe SS confirmed what I thought I finally had straight!

Betico, Hendrick and Rudy all brothers! I thought I rechecked after the discussions a few weeks back as I kept seeing posts that said Rudy was the nephew and others that he was the brother. I believe I even checked the birth years and was sure that Rudy and Hendrick were brothers!

This needs to be documented to avoid any more confusion! Can't keep going around in circles...LOL

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2008, 02:41:09 PM »

From Arubagirl...though this not where I checked from before...I really searched then! I am led to belive she knows her stuff!


http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/index.html


There was an election. Mep won the absolute majority (11 seats in parliament).

So, forming a cabinet would be a piece of cake, right?

Wrong.

More than a month has passed and we still haven't gotten any firm decision on who is getting what ministry. I suppose that splitting the loot is a complicated process.

First of all, the big problem is Rudy Croes, since apparently the Netherlands has been making noises that they do not approve of him as Minister of Justice. Big drama among Rudy's supporters, with the words "meddling in autonomous affairs" being heard the most often. See, the problem with that sentiment is that the Netherlands does still give us money. So they do appropriate a right to have some say in who is going to actually spend the money. Unless we manage to be completely on our own (yeah, right), we're just going to have to grin down and bear it.

Rudy, magnanimous guy that he is, has let it be known that he is willing to settle for the Ministry of Tourism, on the condition that his brother, Hendrik Croes, becomes Minister of Justice.
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« Reply #98 on: April 15, 2008, 09:52:26 PM »    Quote
 
 Betico, Hendrick and Rudy Croes…Brothers!!!!
Will not waste time looking anymore, as far as I am concerned the 3 are brothers! Took me forever last time to find a DOB for Rudy and not going there again…I am convinced!…LOL…also see SS’s posts and my earlier post today, from arubagirl, on this.

Hendrick - January 8th.1942
http://www.lawyersaruba.com/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=10http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/473(70)
 Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert & Junior Croes.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 05:42:39 AM
Caps…Your theory always leads back to ‘Croes’…Marianne, Teresa, Rudy, Hendrik, Steve and his doppleganger. Where is your proof?

Posters here refuted Marianne as the Prosecution spokesperson, backed it up with research, but you went with it anyways. (For those that missed it van der Straten and KJ were the ones talking to the press in the first few days).

What about Rudy? I’ll be the first to say he is dirty, but you can’t even prove he was in Aruba May 29th. Go back to the FP and find Gabe Leo’s post…Gabe posted he was in Columbia!

In your theory Lorenzo merited one line and 2 posts IIRC, Freddy – he doesn’t exist, and our Max Arends and Max Arendz just don’t even deserve a mention.

Guido Wever seems to fit your story, but do you have the right Guido Wever? Sorry, I realize this has been asked before!

The Kalpoes, not sure, but I think you have them as 2 hitmen flying out on the Wane jet, so I guess they are exonerated! Patrick van Eem apparently lived somewhere near them, but from what I could tell the addresses were in Surinam and Curacao and did not receive a response for clarification! What happened to the MIU or whatever it was called?

Anita or Rudy carried ‘something’ to the Hague! Heck I don’t even know if either of them were there for sure! Show me the proof that Anita was in the Netherlands…prove to me that Rudy was in Aruba!

In January the Lion’s Den had nothing to do with XTC DNA and last night it’s right next door and across the street! (Please refer to your response to me, way back in the first thread regarding the Lion’s Den)

Sorry Caps…Unless you can show a whole lot of proof to back up your theory, this train just left the station….and it’s headed back to Freddy, Lorenzo and another hard look at Max Arends!

And …yes….there is a Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis/Arends…see my posts from the last week …with research to back it up!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 05:58:01 AM
Chata and vms...thanks for the posts and links...

Looks like the perfect spring day to wash those windows...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 16, 2008, 06:22:05 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

I believe these are the apartments Dave Holloway was speaking about in his book that I made reference to in an earlier post.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 16, 2008, 07:31:48 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 08:58:22 AM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???


Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:

Quote
Resigned wrote:

I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.

Quote
Glenda wrote:

Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...

OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture..... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
SNIP



Texasmom...could you please explain if this has anything to do with Natalee's case, other than Judge Wit, or Shango?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 09:34:49 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's took pictures of and a few of us have??
 Did  the Clausen's ever post them here?
Was this called the "Lion's Den"?
17 NOORD ?????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 10:31:20 AM
Caps
I know you have left right now, but I am going to try to answer a few questions and if you would please come back and correct me on any of it.  You have let the cat out of the bag now...it all requires proof to go from a theory to evidence.  We have lots of speculation and nothing to hang our hats on this time too...so please come back and explain a little better about your theories.


The apartments in question...Caps is saying that place is across the street and down from the Lekker Restaurant.  (XTC DNA = exotic dinna).  In his photo you can not see the Lekker restaurant.  Also, this particular road is the one that leads to the Mc Donald's near the beach, where a call was supposedly placed that night.  The area would be the Monserat area. I have no idea whether it is the Noord area also.  Since I know the chinese restaurant is on this street, I suppose one could go from that address and decided what if this is the same area as the Indo.  I think Caps is saying it is not, but he can correct me on that fact if I am wrong.

Now I have a few questions for Caps...please fill in the blanks:

1. What happened to the Shango riddles?  Would you mind posting the riddles and providing the answers as to how they fit this latest scenario?
2. What happened to the hitmen from Surinam that caught the plane afterwards?
3. Where is it that Shango tells us that Julia is involved in all this?  I really want to see that part.
4.  Who else was there when this happened? Rudy Croes, as Loegese alluded to?  Was Paulus there?
5.  What happened to the theory about the kidnapping of the wrong girl?
6.  Would Steve Croes be the escort to this place? 
7.  How does Joran figure into this scenario?  Was he there? 
8. Do the Kalpoes have anything to do with this or were they innocent?
9. Please show everyone the connection between the casino and this place.
10. Who killed Natalee in this place?  Was it Joran?
11. Who are the men that are responsible for all this stuff? 
12.  Does Julia get paid to provide these girls? What is her part in all this?
13. Who did the filming of this movie? 
14. Where is the movie now?  Who has it in their possession? 
15.  How does this relate to Joran's story about the beach and Daury?
16.  Do you still think the DEA knew more than he let on to the family?
17.  How does Ponson figure into this whole theory?
18. Where does your Ritz-Carlton theory fit in all this?
19.  Is this two different stories or are they woven into one?
20.  Who is the 5th suspect that Simian is talking about?  The person that provided escort?
21.  How does Deutkohom (sp) fit into all this?  Was he there that night?

I will stop there for now, but if you don't mind answering these questions it will help everyone that is reading to better understand your theory. Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:10:08 AM
Where the heck is everyone?  hmmmmm...I can wait.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 11:10:59 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

So are these the same row of apts. that the Clausen's took pictures of and a few of us have??
 Did  the Clausen's ever post them here?
Was this called the "Lion's Den"?
17 NOORD ?????


Blonde,
I think it is the same row of apartments.  Mrs Clausen posted here as Best Buddy.
Another poster, Ringo, may have gone with the Clausens.
Pictures were posted here on the Codetalkers Thread and then taken away,
when Bestbuddy and Ringo went away and stared a new invitation only site,
which is now deunct.  Bestbuddy also had a lot of information from gamblers
from Las Vegas who knew all about Natalee and the Lion's Den.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:20:06 AM
Didn't Dave say the Indo restaurant and the lions den next door was suspicious?  I think so.  I am certain this has been discussed before.  The Claussen info...where did that come from?  Who was it that provided that info to us?  I forget now.  I wish I could find all that info from the LCD, but I can't...I am sure this info will help Dave to sort through what he knows to be true and maybe he can connect the dots accordingly. 

Caps?  Where are you?  I have questions...we need to fill in the blanks. What happened to all those Dutch apartments you led us to early on?  Do they still use those for illicit purposes?  Who would answer the phone if we called?  Which relative?  Could it be one of Anita's...lots of monkeys have thought she held all the cards from the get go.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:22:39 AM
THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD  
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  NOORD 17, NOORD, ARUBA   
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN;  
Residing in  OLIJFISTRAAT 30, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   



I thought Caps said these people that own this place are from Suriname?  No wonder the Kalpoes are so quiet...didn't Caps say they and Joran were not involved in her death?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:24:44 AM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 11:30:11 AM
Didn't Dave say the Indo restaurant and the lions den next door was suspicious?  I think so.  I am certain this has been discussed before.  The Claussen info...where did that come from?  Who was it that provided that info to us?  I forget now.  I wish I could find all that info from the LCD, but I can't...I am sure this info will help Dave to sort through what he knows to be true and maybe he can connect the dots accordingly. 

Caps?  Where are you?  I have questions...we need to fill in the blanks. What happened to all those Dutch apartments you led us to early on?  Do they still use those for illicit purposes?  Who would answer the phone if we called?  Which relative?  Could it be one of Anita's...lots of monkeys have thought she held all the cards from the get go.




Good Morning Lala's...IIRC, Pita posted that in Dave's book it was alluded to that the Lion's Den was one of Freddy's filming places. I recall way back the Claussen website and pics which have now long gone. Also remember lots of discussion on the old LCD before I joined.

I can't fathom why Caps told me no when I asked in January about the Lion's Den and now 3 months later we are here revisiting it! Is this new info to him? Then he needs to explain!

I shudder to think how many weeks of research are in that list you just posted, and that is just on my part!

Thanks Magnolia...that was all new info about the posters. Most appreciated.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2008, 11:39:54 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 11:51:44 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Good Morning Rob...Caps mentioned some-one and a jewellery store last week. For the life of me I can't remember the name for sure...could very possibly be have been the Giovanni ponson guy when we were discussing him and Angela Reppas. I think it was...no idea who this Ponson is either....LOL...the cobwebs were clearing as I was posting!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 11:55:57 AM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

(http://)


The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door?  :shock:

I believe these are the apartments Dave Holloway was speaking about in his book that I made reference to in an earlier post.

Yep, we are right back to September, 2005.
Now we have the Heidweiller and Matty Appartments to add to all the Baidjnath-Misier info...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 11:56:54 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 12:01:01 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 16, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.
Julia's Fella....

From the SM link of Kermit's info:

Boset, Patrick",delta@setarnet.aw
Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","
http://www.0-0.com/txt_s/cn_aruba.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 16, 2008, 12:08:25 PM
Morning Mum and Lala's..

I don't know if Julia's boyfriend is connected. I have no idea. I'm sorry.

I also wonder about Mr. Ramierz. I understand he is just listed as a businessman... anyone have any idea what kind of businesses? I also understand he is Aruban IIRC, and married Ms Kettlepottie (LOL) and she moved to Aruba and the galoot brothers followed but separately. Mr. Ramierz seems to be very under the radar in my opinion.

I wonder if he is associated with the jewelry stores in some capacity?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 12:19:28 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


Doesn't Julia's fella have a connection with Diamonds International?  I think I remember seeing that posted here somewhere.  Maybe in NAH.
Julia's Fella....

From the SM link of Kermit's info:

Boset, Patrick",delta@setarnet.aw
Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","
http://www.0-0.com/txt_s/cn_aruba.htm


Kermit copied it wrong...

"Delta Real Estate c.v","Wajaca 300","O'stad, O'stad 4321111 - AW","","","deltarealestate.net","Boset, Patrick","delta@setarnet.aw","00-297-829210","","Boset, Patrick","delta@setarnet.aw","00-297-829210",""
"Diamonds International Aruba","L.G. Smith Blvd. #17","Oranjestad, - AW","011 297 880443","","arubajewelry.com","Darren Gad","diamondsintl@setarnet.aw","011 297 880443","","","","",""


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:

Well whatever Freddy had to say in August it sure doesn’t appear to be much! Funny how none of Freddy’s statements ever surfaced except in Joran’s book labeled Fiction!

Vms…full circle, right back where we started, minus Freddy, and with some new names thrown in. Cabez(Jacobs) is one I would like to know about!

Forgot about Patrick Boset. Still think Giovanni scored a jewellery shop, along with Evert, the guy with the Tropical Café who is coincidently listed in the Dr. Phil Log as giving a statement. Will have to check later on Ponson…my windows are neither done or solved.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on April 16, 2008, 12:44:25 PM
Perhaps you all already know this, but Diamonds International has stores throughout the Caribbean and Mexico. My guess is they have over 100 stores.   I don't know for certain if the local stores are company owned, or franchises, but I believe they are company owned. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 12:57:27 PM
Perhaps you all already know this, but Diamonds International has stores throughout the Caribbean and Mexico. My guess is they have over 100 stores.   I don't know for certain if the local stores are company owned, or franchises, but I believe they are company owned. 

So would that make them owned by the Dutch or the Surinamese?  I really don't understand this ownership thing at all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 16, 2008, 01:02:44 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
DIAMONDS INTERNATIONAL 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 90-92, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  CROWN TRADING N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  30 SEPTEMBER 1994 
Last amendment in the articles  28 DECEMBER 2004 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
Main branch: CROWN TRADING NV registered under number 17749
located at L.G. SMITH BLVD. 17, ORANJESTAD WEST 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
GAD, DARREN NATHAN
Residing in  PALM BEACH 524, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in ENGLAND, LONDEN on 4 OCTOBER 1968 
Nationality  BRITISH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
TO PRACTISE THE JEWELLER'S TRADE. 
   
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=26203

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=32318

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=35669

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**********

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Our corporate headquarters are located in New York City.
http://www.shopdi.com/Store-Locations/lo/lo.cfm
http://www.shopdi.com/Oranjestad/lo/loarubaorj.cfm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 01:39:05 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:

Well whatever Freddy had to say in August it sure doesn’t appear to be much! Funny how none of Freddy’s statements ever surfaced except in Joran’s book labeled Fiction!

Vms…full circle, right back where we started, minus Freddy, and with some new names thrown in. Cabez(Jacobs) is one I would like to know about!

Forgot about Patrick Boset. Still think Giovanni scored a jewellery shop, along with Evert, the guy with the Tropical Café who is coincidently listed in the Dr. Phil Log as giving a statement. Will have to check later on Ponson…my windows are neither done or solved.


The fashion boutique that Caps said Angelina owned?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 01:51:19 PM
Mum
I thought Caps said Freddy was an alias...or something like that.  Would that not leave him out of the equation?  Why did ALE even talk to him then?  No connection?  He sure knew something they wanted to hear.  I guess that eliminates him from being the 5th suspect.  Given all this new info...I don't think anyone except Steve Croes can be the 5th now...well maybe...but then again there is that darn party which now happened in the place we thought from the beginning and we still don't know who hosted it?  Rudy?  Did he leave and the "others" looked the other way?  Just more questions and few answers.  :roll:

Well whatever Freddy had to say in August it sure doesn’t appear to be much! Funny how none of Freddy’s statements ever surfaced except in Joran’s book labeled Fiction!

Vms…full circle, right back where we started, minus Freddy, and with some new names thrown in. Cabez(Jacobs) is one I would like to know about!

Forgot about Patrick Boset. Still think Giovanni scored a jewellery shop, along with Evert, the guy with the Tropical Café who is coincidently listed in the Dr. Phil Log as giving a statement. Will have to check later on Ponson…my windows are neither done or solved.


The fashion boutique that Caps said Angelina owned?

Hi Vms...could be...I know the Ponson name was mentioned may have just been as Angela's partner.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 01:52:18 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?

I know who Caps is and I think he is trying to be careful in his words.  But without proof this is another attempt in futility. If you think no one has listened to Caps then you are wrong...I have done more than my share.  Caps is my buddy...he knows I am asking questions to verify things...I see it has irritated not just you but many others...I am sorry.  I can't just take anything at face value in this case.  That is what Joran and the Kalpoes and Aruba wish we would do..just accept that Natalee died by an overdose of her own doing and that Joran in his panic called for help to toss her into the sea.  I, for one, want to see proof of it all...I don't come on here just to make light of anything in this case.  I am the person that has stuck this Shango/Simian stuff out through things that no one would believe.  I simply want clarification on things that seem to change with the latest discussions in other threads...I am not saying Caps knows nothing...in fact, I give him more than the benefit of the doubt here.  Why?  Because I know him and I think he sincerely wants to help.  Just saying something doesn't make it so...and with that I will say nothing more...as Simian said...I am done.  If asking questions and wanting clarification is the wrong thing to do then I have obviously bet on the wrong horse.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 02:00:46 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?


Hi Silverfox…nice to see you in the Shango thread…always enjoy your posts.

After 250 pages waltzing around the Shango thread with Caps, this jury is still out! Caps needs to prove some of his ‘done with research’ and ‘solved’.

His theory, some of which involves The News, Marianne Croes, Rudy Croes, the Natalee look-a-like and his hit men are without documentation to prove his claims. Even when posts are made to refute what he is saying he goes with the answer he came into the cage with. 

For about 150 pages now it has been posted that Steve Croes is ‘somebody’ Croes. Prove it! Show me!

I am highly suspicious of one path that Caps tried to follow, but what do I know, Freddy Zedan doesn’t exist!

JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 02:30:13 PM
Let me clarify something here before my email explodes...many things Caps has said are right on in filling in the blanks of a lot of things.  He has given info on the possibility of a place that Natalee might be...he as given info on those "elders" we have been wondering about for a while.  He has given info on dirty hand and the 5th suspect.  He has led us right back to where Dave began looking.  All good things...and yes there are things he knows that others don't...he has done some really incredible things and I am thankful he showed up when he did.  He has helped me to put a lot of things into perspective that I and many others have wondered about from the beginning.  I am not calling Caps a liar...please don't anyone email me again and say that.  He knows me and he knows that I have supported his efforts fully...I have even taken a bashing with some of my closest monkey friends for it too.  I simply want a few answers to smooth out the rough places and eliminate those that need to be left out of this scenario.  I would love to see how Julia fits into this, how Rudy is related to Steve Croes, how the Lions Den and Paulus go together and I would love to see how it all ties into the kidnap plot with a case of mistaken identity.  This is the stuff movies are made of..but this wasn't a movie...it was a tragedy that took away a beautiful young lady that had she lived would have been graduating in the same class as my own daughter...so I am not making light of any of this.  All I have ever wanted is for this family to find Natalee and bring her home where she belongs.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 02:37:06 PM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.
Yes I do remember this story BUT they only went to look around, Anita invited them.
 I think Some reporter tried to have her hubby arrested. He has tattoos ( WOW how scary)This reporter was starting her crap. To get them away.
I do hope I remember this right.
 I do NOT want to start rumors.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 02:38:35 PM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.

Bestbuddy went to Aruba with her husband and possibably Ringo.
She did not meet with Anita, but was at the Prison when Joran
was released and had pictures of Steve Cohen directing the show.
At that time none of us knew who Steve Cohen was.
She and her husband went by the VanderSloot house and caused
a big todo, because her husband had totoos and the Sloots felt
threatened.  Bestbuddy also went to Carlos and Charliles and meet
Steve Croes as he was DJing and she thought highly of him after
that meeting.
She said that a bartender at Moomba sent her to the Lion's Den.
She had a picture of the same star over the apartments that Caps
has posted.
She did a lot of good research, but took it away one post at a time
to the other site.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 02:47:37 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 02:51:20 PM
Thanks FaithMS I sent her an email also


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
Magnolia
Didn't bestbuddy go to Aruba and meet with Anita at one time? I seem to remember being told that at one time by another monkey that was friends with Ringo.

Bestbuddy went to Aruba with her husband and possibably Ringo.
She did not meet with Anita, but was at the Prison when Joran
was released and had pictures of Steve Cohen directing the show.
At that time none of us knew who Steve Cohen was.
She and her husband went by the VanderSloot house and caused
a big todo, because her husband had totoos and the Sloots felt
threatened.  Bestbuddy also went to Carlos and Charliles and meet
Steve Croes as he was DJing and she thought highly of him after
that meeting.
She said that a bartender at Moomba sent her to the Lion's Den.
She had a picture of the same star over the apartments that Caps
has posted.
She did a lot of good research, but took it away one post at a time
to the other site.

So long ago, Magnolia. I remember we thought Cohen was Merryweather at first.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2008, 03:00:23 PM
Can someone tell me where the Monserat area is in Aruba....or point me to a map?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 03:08:44 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 03:14:50 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 16, 2008, 03:16:46 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Can you launder money through jewelry stores?  Is that possible?  I have never understood how that works.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

You will have to ask BB yourself.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 03:20:27 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Maybe Caps can find out what business he is in. I have heard sandwich shop, car rental, etc. I would really like to know...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
I hate to admit this, but what is the Kalpoes step dad name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2008, 03:24:11 PM
I hate to admit this, but what is the Kalpoes step dad name.

Ramirez...can't think of his first name, right now, though.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 03:28:50 PM
I hate to admit this, but what is the Kalpoes step dad name.

Ramirez...can't think of his first name, right now, though.

Luis Antonio


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 03:33:53 PM
Got it ,Luis Antonio Ramirez (DOB – 5-2-60, Aruba) – stepfather to Deepak & Satish. ...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 03:37:30 PM
From SM who's who

Luis Antonio Ramirez (DOB – 5-2-60, Aruba) – stepfather to Deepak & Satish. Bought the Cyberzone Internet Café on 8-29-05.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 03:39:07 PM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Can you launder money through jewelry stores?  Is that possible?  I have never understood how that works.


http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2006/07/24/daily39.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on April 16, 2008, 04:01:44 PM
Hello all you Tango Monkeys!  I haven't posted here in quite a while, but I have been trying to read back through the posts on this thread today. (I'm working too, so the reading is slow.)

I find the new information fascinating and I really hope it helps provide the answers Natalee's family should have.

If I understand Caps to this point he is saying that Steve Croes is not who we think he is and is more involved than originally suspected.  Right?

Also, the apartments and that entire location makes a lot of sense. 

Well, sorry, I don't have any great new insight, but I hope to have more time to get back into the Tango business!

Keep it going!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 04:10:20 PM
Who was the lady Geraldo interviewed? She was introduced as Steve Croes' mother. Was she an actress? I don't think she was connected to Rudy or Hendrik. JMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 04:13:44 PM
Who was the lady Geraldo interviewed? She was introduced as Steve Croes' mother. Was she an actress? I don't think she was connected to Rudy or Hendrik. JMO.

I recall it was Steve's mother also that Geraldo interviewed.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 16, 2008, 04:20:17 PM
Who was the lady Geraldo interviewed? She was introduced as Steve Croes' mother. Was she an actress? I don't think she was connected to Rudy or Hendrik. JMO.

I'm not at all convinced that Steve Croes is the son of Rudy or Hedrik.  Need more concrete evidence. JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
oined: 31 Jul 2005

   
PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:09 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Erie it was to stand inside the Excelsier Casino. I expected it to be bigger. For such a small space, the room contained over 100 cameras. The poker dealers were at least in their forties. Some men and some women.

I observed the Tattoo party boat for about an hour from a distance. I have video and hope to have it up tomorrow. There were two young men who looked like they were working and cleaning the boat for some time. They were using a small white dinghy to go back and forth from the beach to the boat docked off shore.

At 4:30 PM the Tattoo was driven into the small harbor in front of the Holiday Inn. At 5:15 PM the boat headed south. I could not see where it went. At 1:45 AM, Friday morning, I have not seen the Tattoo lit up out on the ocean. If it went out for a party, it was not on the hotel side of the ocean in my view.

Walking the beach path from the Holiday Inn to the Marriott Hotel, my husband pointed out the absence of lighting in some areas and the lack of adequate security cameras. It was dark. We spotted one camera in the parking structure at the Marriott.

“Beauty and the Beast” is a bar between the two hotels. It has a road leading to it running along the side of a newly built hotel with ongoing construction. It is the only road we passed leading from the main road to the beach. In darkness the road does not appear to be paved.

Merian Earnest used a signature “Oh No, It wasn’t the airplane.” In the movie “King Kong”, that statement is famous and is finished with, “It was beauty that killed the beast.” It was interesting to find a bar at the end of a non paved road called “Beauty and the Beast.”

The tiki lamps burning real fire was a surprise. There were at least four, six to eight foot tall tiki lamps on the beach side of the “Beauty and the Beast” bar and six smaller fire lamps inside the covered open area section of the bar. Someone has to light them every night. Shango was always stating “light the fires.” There are many fires to be lit at that bar.

Passing the bar to approach the Marriott from the Holiday Inn, the path begins it’s only brick paved section.

That’s all for tonight. Cameras are charging. The Mr. is snorring. I’m going to bed.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:48 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
8:15 AM Aruba
Friday Sept. 2, 2005

Tattoo is at its mooring.

Joran to be release from KIA jail.

"Aruba Today" Newspaper

On the front page in bold letters, the papers screams:

“Joran van der Stoot to be released”

“The judge on Thursday ordered the release of Dutch teenager who has been jailed for nearly 3 months in the disappearance of an Alabama honors student and said he will be released this weekend, the youth’s father and attorney said.”

The paper goes on to quote “Red from Scared Monkeys” in his discussion reported yesterday (on the front page of SM) with Natalie’s uncle, Paul Reynolds.

Further the paper quotes Anita Van Der Sloot: “The mother of a Dutch suspect Joran Van Der Sloot said her son was innocent of new allegations that he and three friends took pictures of another girl in “tempting poses”.

She believes the incarceration of her son Joran and the earlier arrests were an attempt to “get the boys to talk.” “But there is nothing to talk about. Nobody takes this nonsense seriously.” Anita is quoted.

Mrs. Sloot believes her son was present when pictures were taken of another girl in her bathing suit.

She closes with, “I believe in the judicial system of my country. I believe in my son’s innocence.”

Source: Aruba Today
Friday, September 2, 2005
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“Thank God, your not the press!”

These were the first words I heard Anita Van Der Sloot say to me this morning after they arrived at the KIA at 10:00 AM this morning.

Once Again our Morning Coffee Informant steered us on a bum rap. We were told Joran Van Der Sloot was to be released at 10:00 AM this morning. We raced to the KIA to find we were the only ones there. We sat in our rented car that screams TOURIST all over it and wondered.

What the heck is going on here! Before we could figure it out, a small car entered the prison parking lot and as it turned the corner I spotted Paulus Van Der Sloot driving.

He spotted our tourist vehicle and decided to pick a parking spot away from us. Before I could say, “look”, Mr. Bestbuddy was talking to him. Anita was standing beside her husband. I went over.

With tears in her eyes and a sad, tired expression, Anita said: “Thank God, your not the press.” After my introduction to them and hand shaking, Mrs. Van Der Sloot showed concerned for us being in the hot sun and told us to come back at 2:00 PM in order to see her son released.

The Van Der Sloots will be giving a live press conference today at 4:00 PM from their home.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Shango, I will tell her of all the support and love.

I dropped off all the letters at Beth's hotel this morning. The front desk confirmed she was there and would receive them.
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rockyroads wrote:
hey, is the white haired man in the picture the merriwether( sp.) guy. that organized the protest against beth? sorry do not want to offend the good people but that group is one big happy cult!

It's interesting you asked who he is. I thought I was the only person who did'nt know that guy behind the police barrier giving direct orders to the Aruban Police Department. He spoke perfect English. I thought he ran the jail.

He tested the speakers, told the press where to stand, lined up the guards and when he was done he came over to me and asked what press I was with.

After I told him I was a tourist, he drilled me on where I was from and asked if my back pack was searched.

NO sir my backpack has not been search. He proceeded to order an Aruban Police Officer to come over to me and search my bag.

The kind officer was so polite. He kept apologizing to me. He reported verbally the contents of the bag as he came across each item.

" Mam do you know you have a loose one dollar bill in here?" And you have a comb and I'm sorry, and a purse, I'm sorry and so on.
God have mercy on any man that has to search my back pack.

The National Enquirer reporter upon me asking, "Who is that guy", said, (again in my words)" he is the private investigator the Van Der Sloots hired from California." I think it was The National Enquirer guy. Well anyway, he let me take a picture of him. I have not confirmed for sure that the information supplied by the reporter is correct. He could be a cousin of my "Morning Coffee Informant." Hmmm! I may have been had.

You probably know more about the white haired guy than I do. He seemed important so I took a lot of pictures of him.

I will say something about that guy. He sure did protect the Van Der Sloots. If you ever get trouble, I suggest you look him up. You would definitely want the white hair guy on your side.

If you find out who he is, could you please let me know!

Thanks Rocky
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:42 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
OMG Shocked

We got lost on the way to the Van Der Sloot house. We thought we were early for the conferance but instead we were late. Nobody was there except a lady with a camera and a police car.

You might want to dispell those rumors.

A lady came up to us. She said she was with AP. She told us that the conference was over. The police officer started taking down the tape the press needs to stand behind. He never said a word to us. We left.

I don't think whoever wrote that story meant us.

That's ridiculas!
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Walnut said:


"People:

Fishermen's huts is being searched right now, this because of a new
tip that just got in a few minutes to an hour ago...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
FeliX wrote:
Wow, BestBuddy! Great shots!

Any idea what kind of tip brought them there to investigate?
Were they back today...Sunday? Any resolution?

"Follow the Star"....The Racquet Club?
The sneaker?



Hi There,

Poster, "Walnut" posted about the tip yesterday on "Where would you look on Aruba"

The pictures were taken today, Sunday. I could not find anyone there digging yesterday.

The Raquet Club is right in the star's path also. Good point!

The sneaker? I have lost my flip flops several times. There is very soft mud around the Fishermen Huts area.
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TartLemon wrote:
Hello, bestbuddy. Very nice photojournal. Ty for sharing.

I have a question about the Beauty/Beast establishment.

Google came up with this. B/B is a boutique located in Arawak Gardens, it is the first in a series of nine to open, across the Allegro resort on Palm Beach.

Could you elaborate a bit please?

TIA




Thanks for checking the post.

Beauty and the Beast sign is very interesting to me also. I need to go back there.

I time lined Shango's posts and noticed that the fires are lit at @2:30 PM on two separate days. On another day, "Preparing the fires" was at 1:30 PM.

Right by the B and B sign outside, there is a bar which has many tiki lamps with real burning fire that need to be lit.

Just curious!
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ONE HAPPY ISLAND

When asking about the disappearance of Natalie Holloway, it is common to hear how a missing person can happen anywhere, how America is filled with crime and how many missing people there are in the US. The answers to what happened that dreadful Sunday night becomes a lesson on “Crime in America.”

For an island of people who call the Haystack hill a "mountain", the trivialization of the disappearance of Natalie is astonishing. Often we would hear how the media was here and blew the story up, how the internet is spreading rumors of prostitution rings and illegal drugs and how potential tourists are believing such stories and canceling reservations.

About one thousand dollars a month our regular bartender believes the media frenzy is costing him. He is mad. He blames the news stations, he blames the reporters, he blames internet bloggers, but not once was the absence of knowledge in the whereabouts of Natalie Holloway the problem. The fact that a young girl with a bright future went missing while vacationing on “One Happy Island” never passed through his lips. Does this mean it never entered his mind?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
re Pair A Dice:

Author: Terry (---.meadwestvaco.com)
Date: 08-15-05 07:56

Danny,
My son and I just walked the beach and met the guy. His name is Captain Monty and his boat is the "Pair a Dice." 32 Ft. Welkraft and he's a working captain. He won't just drive the boat and he's very flexible on trips. His phone # is (297) 992-9586. Let me know if you need anything else.

Pair-A-Dice
Tel./Fax: 78670 / 74026
Rates: Whole day trip: 450.00 USD
Half day trip: 250.00 USD
Note: Boat approx. 10 meters long
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:09 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Good one Shango.

I know he is not taking the Dice out if he is a working captian. The boat never moved while I was there.

The word on the island is that many fishermen can not go out because of the price of gas. Some restaurants have limited fish on the menu.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:46 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Yeah Maya,

I'm just so mad that I went to Aruba and was subjected to a search, continually questioned on "WHY" I was there, and I swear we were being followed the entire time and all this so called website has to do is come on Scared Monkeys and TAKE whats not theirs and not even say where they got it from.

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Hey Maya,

All the pictures were taken by me or mr bestbuddy.

We were approached to sell the rights to some of the ones we took.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Best....Dave asked me if you checked out you know what, as did my source. Did you?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:14 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
nini wrote:
One of your pictures is posted with more Aruba pictures on the News, Case, Discussion 9/01 by Smiley Angel (Pictures of Aruba). She said they wern't her pictures, that they were on the net. Further down in the thread someones says theses are photos belonging to someone named My 2 Cents on http://forum.prophecies.us. That looks like the same photo of VDS house w/ side view mirror of car showing Question


Hi Nini,

Help me out here....I am "My 2 Cents" on Prophecies....What residence are you referring to in the side view mirror...? Yes, I have photos of Lorenzo, but have not posted them.....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:01 am    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Well,

The girls at the top are locals. LOL

The bottom pic is from Mamboo's bar betwen the Holiday Inn and the Marriott.

Look how close the Holiday Inn is.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:12 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Taxis can be any type car and any color.

Carlos and Charlies is on a one way street. Across the street from Carlos and Charlies is a construction site. There were several men with equipment working there (day time). It appeared to be well fenced.

When you take the first right turn to exit from C & C, there is a vacant lot and no lights to the right and what appears to be wood against a fence to block the view of the cruise ship area on the left. The first thing we noticed is how dark it must be at night. We could not locate any security cameras.

The cars are forced to take another right to enter the main street. Before the main street is the internet cafe on your right.

On the main street you can go either south to San Nicolas or left to Noord. The hotel areas are left.


Sorry to blow the margins. I don't know how to stop it.

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Hi Zealot

I remember the mention of the Black Team.

I looked for them but I never saw any Black Team people.

That guy sure looks like the other guy to me.

From what the National Inquirer guy told me, (I know) Merriweather is from the states. I think California. He went to Berkely. I think it was him that went to Berkely. I forget, as soon as I heard "Berkely," I had a sudden urge to smoke a joint and acquire short term memory loss. Oh well, I had a flashback to tie-dyed shirts and headbands. I totally zoned out! I don't know, but someone went to Berkely. Merriweather now lives in Aruba.

Merriweather said to me while I was being searched, (something like) "I don't think you would do anything but I think your boyfriend would." Shocked

We both looked at Mr Best and I said, "Your Kidding?"

Merriweather was like, "No I'm not! I wouldn't put it past that guy." Shocked

I told Merriweather that there was no way Mr. Best would do anything and Merriweather insinuated that Mr. Best may have faked me out. Shocked


Hmmmm!

Must have been Mr. Best's tattoos?
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=280
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
I remember NativeLingo posting re this incident w/ the dog, that she heard it from the classmate's aunt. (LCD 8/6) This was at the same time she posted re learning from the receptionist of the mental health clinic where JVDS was being treated: "And yes....he has/had emotional problems......he was/ is a patient of a local pediatric/Juvenile Psychiatrist..... (Fact)" Also: "When I asked the "source" if she was talking about the dog thing, or bullying friends, she told me those were the least of his problems...."

I always find it interesting to look at the inauguration photos of a president & compare them w/ photos from the end of his term; there's usually quite a difference: stress/responsibility is very visible. These first 2 links are photos of JVDS early in his detainment, compare to the release photos 2 months later. Remarkable. I've seen these same visible differences in people when they're on/off their psych meds.

http://photos19.flickr.com/23067488_2bca87e200_m.jpg
http://photos23.flickr.com/34662213_6748059fc6_m.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/21/39948747_789956648c_m.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/25/40836413_3eac0278c4_m.jpg
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Found this about his son, doesn't mean much... Herby Merryweather is captain of a boat named "Dorothy". I just recognized the name when I was looking for info on Merryweather.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_dorothy_.html

There's info on some other boats in Aruba on the same site.

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=280
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:07 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
may wrote:
yeah, i saw that, too, chicago.

you find much about Merryweather?


May


It looks like he is the chairman for Casa del Mar. I think Casa del Mar and the Aruba Beach Club are associated with each other.

Here's the newsletter that came our right after he became chairman.

http://casadelmar-aruba.com/newsletter/cdmdecember2001.pdf

You can see the other newsletters here:
http://casadelmar-aruba.com/newsletter
His name appears in them, too.

He also wrote a book about Aruba

http://www.madurolibrary.org/html/library/books/antilliana/m.html

Merryweather, John W.
A pictorial résumé of natural, historical and cultural monuments of Aruba
/ by John W. Merryweather. -
Aruba : De Wit Stores, 1972. - 56 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.


Here's a link for another Merryweather. Related to John?
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/whatson/carnival2001/lighting.html

"Organizer Linche Merryweather is well known for her ability to attract folks with deep pockets capable to footing bills for spectacular creations."

Read the entire paragraph in that link, because the family names Jansen, Merryweather, and Mansur were all involved in that particular float in the parade. Not sure if any of them are related to the other Karin, John, or Jossy.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
there are 4 other license plates visible in the photo; evidently none have paid their taxes as they do not display the same attached tax ID as the Jetta featured in the Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:14 pm post by bestbuddy
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1977&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=220

from Clint Van Zandt's commentary:

"As I walked out of the bar the cabs and cars drove by. Some were looking for fares, while some were just cruising, checking out the nightlife in the area. In Aruba it can be hard at times to tell a private car from a cab. If you play detective you can spot the special license plate decal on registered cabs, if, that is, you go to the rear of the car to look for it. Sometimes there's a small, plug-in sign on the dash of the car that says "taxi," and sometimes the driver even has a CB-like radio. But other times a car rolls up and when you climb inside you see nothing that suggests it is a cab. This happened to me twice. When I asked, the driver said his "real" taxi was being repaired, so he was driving a friend's car. The reality is that you have about five seconds to decide whether to get into the car or not. It's hard to know if it's a real taxi, perhaps a situation that Natalee, like me, accepted at face value."
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:38:40 PM
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/884/backofarubaracquetclub42vz.jpg)

Back of Racquet club where homes are being built. Photo by Claussen Investigators.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:39:32 PM
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Behind Racquet club. Photo by Claussen Investigators


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:39:53 PM
(http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4554/behindarubaracquetclub9td.jpg)

Behind Racquet club. Photo by Claussen Investigators


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:41:06 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:41:32 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 04:43:03 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5323/image483yz4.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 04:50:34 PM
Mum and Rob,

I saw you discussing the jewelry store connection this morning and I couldn't reply because I wasn't on my computer.  The recent jewelry connection that we had discussed was the mother of Daury Rodriguez.  When she was arrested, Ramona Tejada-Rodrigues said that she worked in jewelry sales.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 05:42:14 PM
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 05:42:55 PM

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8116/lionsdenvds6vk7.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 16, 2008, 05:59:40 PM
CAPs,

more connections:

sometimes we would rent a hotel room. I happened that three guys were in the same room having sex with girls. I was given a blow job on a balcony once by an American girl while Deepak was in the bathroom with a girl and Freddy was in the room proper with a girl too. But we did never share a girl or did threesomes. That was going way too far for me. We did however make topless pictures of a girl in a hotel room once.
(source: Joran's book Page 4 & 5 (only a bit to page 5, the last page of this chapter):



Deepak had put on a DVD with music video's. One of them was Benny Benassi's video for Satisfaction. It was an x-rated version and had explicit sex-scenes in it. (Joran's book: Chapter 8 continued:page 11 + 12)



I took the camera to Freddy’s house.
We delivered the camera to Freddy,
and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house. Freddy also lives in Montanja.
Satish Kalpoe Suspect Statement June 24, 2005.



MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual








MORE CONNECTIONS ABOUT JEWELRY

HELEN BONGERS WORKS WITH JULIA RENFRO AT ISLAND TEMPTAIONS.
Heleen Bongers came to live on Aruba in 1977. After having taught English at La Salle College for a few years, she started working at Amigoe, Algemeen Dagblad and The News. Nowadays, she is a freelancer, writing articles for magazines and for charity projects. She travels a lot to
buy the latest jewelry for her five stores (Beauty and the Beast).

 
Heleen Bongers is secretary of the Clown Doctors of Aruba and the Sports for Life Foundation. She is married to Evert Bongers, a retired French teacher at Colegio Arubano
http://biblioteca.arubahost.com/index.php3?h=434









Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 06:25:40 PM
It's April.  The hat and sweater were getting a little warm.  May I please have some patriotic accessories?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 16, 2008, 06:25:50 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?

Silverfox,

This is what I have believed from the beginning.  Joran did indicate that higher powers were involved.  I do not think he was refering to Oduber, Rudy Croes or any of the Aruban officials.  IMO only.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 06:35:25 PM
For what it is worth...I, for one, believe Caps is the real deal.

Is he/she possibly shango or simian?  Only Caps knows for sure.

What I do know is that the info is too specific and to close to what we know to be just speculation...

Look at his moniker on his avatar and the then look at where he/she is saying Natalee may have been placed...

I believe caps knows far more than is posted here...including...the truth...

maybe caps is the dea agent?  who knows, only caps...but he seems to know things that only someone who is well placed would know...

My suggestion?   listen to caps and try to figure his own riddles... nothing to lose...maybe even entertaining...but if caps really knows then he will lead us to Natalee and the entire riddle may be solved...

and...is caps any relation so the other guy?  the one who like Devries?  also with a c spelling? 

I really feel that the crap should end and someone should step forward who has the answers...this has gone on long enough...

the fact is, and we all dance around it trying to be careful...the mob and the drug cartel are behind all of this...and everyone in between are just patsies... The Noriega Doctrine needs to apply here and send Rudy and company to the states for prosecution, right?

Silverfox,

This is what I have believed from the beginning.  Joran did indicate that higher powers were involved.  I do not think he was refering to Oduber, Rudy Croes or any of the Aruban officials.  IMO only.

CHATA

We know it couldn't be one former member though, he is a pillar of the community now.  :roll: :lol:

Seriously though, I agree. It makes sense to me too...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 16, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
Kermit,

Thanks for the info, especially the map with Monserat....it jogged my memory.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 06:46:48 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 16, 2008, 06:52:22 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)

(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5323/image483yz4.jpg)

I remember the real estate records posted at another forum by someone
in Aruba and Paulus Van der Sloot was listed as owner of record on either
5 or 7 of the Raquet Club Villas.  I can't remember which number.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 07:00:26 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.

 I agree with you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 16, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
See Glenda's (Renfro) response below.  She's claiming Sidney Ponson owes her $80,000???
Posted at RU when asked how you got involved in the case and found RU:
Quote
Resigned wrote:
I blame all my many friends who have traveled to the island AND Sidney Ponson for getting me interested in this case when I heard the name Aruba mentioned.
Quote
Glenda wrote:
Sidney pulled Resigned into this case to do what... I get nothing but critisism from Resigned.... Is is because his Friend Sidney owes Glenda $80,000 ? Hey Pat... Tell Sid to F.Off. And his buddy too that got into gambling debts that was going to be killed if he didn't get the money right away.... Damn Pitchers...
OG, pay attention.
Shall we venture a guess as to how Glenda Julia has $80,000 to give someone for a gambling debt???  Or a guess as to if actual cash money was paid to have the debt forgiven or perhaps some other "favor" equal to $80,000.  We all know there's nothing that she can do that's worth that........maybe some other money making venture..... ::MonkeyRoll::
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05063/466292.stm

Baseball Notebook: Ponson's assault case is postponed
Friday, March 04, 2005

By The Associated Press
The assault case against Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson was postponed yesterday in Oranjestad, Aruba, and a judge gave both sides until May 10 to reach an out-of-court agreement.
Ponson, 28, is accused of committing violence alone or in the company of others in public, kicking a person in the head and battering a person by hitting him in the face with his fist. If convicted, Ponson faces a maximum sentence of four years in jail, a fine and community service.
Judge Bob Wit, flown in from the nearby Dutch Caribbean island of Curacao to give the case a sense of impartiality, said he took the pitcher's career into consideration in postponing the case.
Wit said that Ponson's livelihood could be jeopardized if he has a criminal record because his U.S. work visa could be taken away. Ponson was born in Aruba, a semiautonomous Dutch Caribbean territory.
SNIP



Texasmom...could you please explain if this has anything to do with Natalee's case, other than Judge Wit, or Shango?  TIA
Mum,
Whether or not this has anything to do with Natalee's case is just what I would like to know also.  I have a lot of questions about Julia, and Sidney Ponson for that matter that I would like answers to.  I think I hinted at some of them in my post.  I don't expect anyone here to answer them, I will research those questions and come to my own conclusions.  My thoughts when I made the post were if Sidney Ponson had gambling debts to the extent of his life being threatened and Julia was the person he went to for help. Why would that be?  The March 2005 post indicates that he was still in trouble with the law and not in a position to be making any money in Major League Baseball.
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/bal/y2005/m03/d07/c959494.jsp
Visa issue sidelines Ponson
03/07/2005 5:57 PM ET
Since the charges are not settled, Ponson was told by his agent, Barry Praver, on Sunday night that he would be unable to pitch in any game that charged admission because he would be generating money, and Ponson has yet to obtain his work visa.
Ponson from everything I've read has had many problems including drinking and driving since he's been involved in MLB.  The following comment was made regarding his off season activities:
http://www.aruba-zone.com/content/view/154/1/lang,en/ (http://www.aruba-zone.com/content/view/154/1/lang,en/)
Sidney Ponson stated that this off season he stayed away from his biggest problem, Aruba. What he meant is that in Aruba he knows many people and the lifestyle he lives by in Aruba is not the best for a Major League pitcher trying to revive his career.
Considering Ponson's age, his reputation, and his choices in friends and activities; I don't think it's a jump to believe that he could be involved with some key figures in the case.  The timing of the resolution of the criminal case he was suspect in also indicates to me that he could have possibly been on the island in the time frame of Natalee's disappearance.  The case against Ponson is suspicious from the beginning to me, I have a lot of questions about it. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 16, 2008, 07:32:38 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.

I agree with you.

FWIW/IMO/etc:

Paulus/Anita/Renfro/Merryweather/etc
were waiting for the opportunity to use BB/her hubby:
as justification for Joran being allowed to return to NL
immediately following his release from KIA

BB had created a thread asking for suggestions
re places the monkeys would like her/hubby to visit in aruba

their trip was announced in advance
and they were followed everywhere from the beginning

IMO Paulus/Anita/Merryweather knew what they looked like
and that's why the Sloots struck up a conversation w/ them at KIA
and Merryweather had ALE search BB's backpack

they were laying the groundwork for that night ...
when bondia/Julia Renfro breathlessly posted in the LCD
that an american mercenary was attempting to "hit" Joran

bondia/Julia posted that this mercenary had sent threatening emails
and he was recognizable from his US military tattoos

went so far as to say that the suspected "hit"
might involve a nearby second story window overlooking KIA
and that this mercenary was also seen in front of Sloot home

Anita inviting BB/hubby to Sloot home for press conference
was icing on the cake:
provided a second sighting of mercenary "stalking" Joran

that night, I sent BB a PM or email/can't remember which ...
telling her what bondia was posting

BB came to the LCD and blasted bondia w/ both barrels
but the mission was already accomplished:
Joran was "understandably" being whisked off to NL
to keep him "safe" from the american mercenary





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 07:41:58 PM
Thank You Finngirl, that IS what I remember.
I thought I was loosing it for a few hours
::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 07:43:43 PM
Ringo did not go to Aruba with BestBuddy.

I have contacted BB. She can come here and post the truth if she wishes.

Thanks for clearing that up...so Bestbuddy did meet with Anita while there.  Wonder how that went?  I bet that was interesting. Do any of you know if she met Paulus?  I just wonder how much he really sweats in person.

I think it would be more reasonable to say that Bestbuddy encountered
Anita and Paulus at the jail and spoke briefly with them.  Bestbuddy did not meet with Anita as in a MedleyRelay sort of way.

I agree with you.

FWIW/IMO/etc:

Paulus/Anita/Renfro/Merryweather/etc
were waiting for the opportunity to use BB/her hubby:
as justification for Joran being allowed to return to NL
immediately following his release from KIA

BB had created a thread asking for suggestions
re places the monkeys would like her/hubby to visit in aruba

their trip was announced in advance
and they were followed everywhere from the beginning

IMO Paulus/Anita/Merryweather knew what they looked like
and that's why the Sloots struck up a conversation w/ them at KIA
and Merryweather had ALE search BB's backpack

they were laying the groundwork for that night ...
when bondia/Julia Renfro breathlessly posted in the LCD
that an american mercenary was attempting to "hit" Joran

bondia/Julia posted that this mercenary had sent threatening emails
and he was recognizable from his US military tattoos

went so far as to say that the suspected "hit"
might involve a nearby second story window overlooking KIA
and that this mercenary was also seen in front of Sloot home

Anita inviting BB/hubby to Sloot home for press conference
was icing on the cake:
provided a second sighting of mercenary "stalking" Joran

that night, I sent BB a PM or email/can't remember which ...
telling her what bondia was posting

BB came to the LCD and blasted bondia w/ both barrels
but the mission was already accomplished:
Joran was "understandably" being whisked off to NL
to keep him "safe" from the american mercenary





Except we now know it was Cohen and not Merryweather...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on April 16, 2008, 07:48:59 PM
That's what I recall vms. At first we thought it was Merryweather and it turned out to be Steve Cohen.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 16, 2008, 07:49:37 PM
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1355/indorestaurantandvipcluev4.jpg)




If you noticed the picture Kermit posted was taken by the Clauson Investigation Agency. This is who Best Buddy was in Aruba with. She posted lots of pictures for us. Told how they were followed . She met Anita and Paulus at the prison the day Joran was released. To bad our archives do not go forward to September 2005.  Also to bad the link for Clauson no longer exists because she also had it all posted on there as well. I always enjoyed her post. JMHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 07:53:11 PM
BestBuddy went to Aruba with our Hotshot on her second trip in early 2006..Also you can see a few pictures and some of the Clausen research on this blog near the bottom..

http://nataleehollowaywhatweknowsofar.blogspot.com/

BTW: I think you guys are really getting close to the truth on some of these posts! Excellent work and I can barely keep up on this thread!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 16, 2008, 07:53:16 PM
Thank You Finngirl, that IS what I remember.
I thought I was loosing it for a few hours
::MonkeyEek::

Paulus/Anita/Renfro/Merryweather/ it was steven cohen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 16, 2008, 08:06:58 PM
(http://i30.tinypic.com/k0osqd.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 08:21:38 PM
They looked posed for the Getting Out of Jai ::MonkeyHaHa::l Free picture.  Anita, please buy Jordan some new shirts.  We're so tired of looking at the same one or two.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 16, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Except we now know it was Cohen and not Merryweather...

gaaaaack ... yes, thank you  :2redface:

Merryweather was our earliest/incorrect ID



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 16, 2008, 08:59:10 PM
BestBuddy went to Aruba with our Hotshot on her second trip in early 2006..Also you can see a few pictures and some of the Clausen research on this blog near the bottom..

http://nataleehollowaywhatweknowsofar.blogspot.com/

BTW: I think you guys are really getting close to the truth on some of these posts! Excellent work and I can barely keep up on this thread!  ::MonkeyDance::

Thanks so much ******* for posting that link. I wish that in the Evidentiary review there had been the observations made during Jorans release from prison.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 16, 2008, 09:36:30 PM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Louis Manseur owned most of the shares in this property.  He pretty recently got ride of 15000 shares is I believe what I read in the Aruba News here while back.  Thought that was interesting.  This is a newspaper put out by ATAHA and bunch.   JB


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 09:38:56 PM
I am bringing these posts over from old threads, so I hope I don't crew it up.  When CAPS told us that he had given his information to Dave and OE, I remembered that OE had mentioned something about checking a pong before they left the island.  I couldn't bring the picture of them scanning the pond.

Right on CAPS.   ::MonkeyDance::


Quote from: klaasend on February 28, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!


This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.


Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?


I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #736 2/27 -
« Reply #285 on: February 28, 2008, 04:01:26 PM » 

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Again, this was done to rule out the pond that wasn't previously searched while we were waiting on weather dockside with the Persistence.  I was personally greatful of the guys who went on this search because it's very tiring work.  Other than lugging all the gear and boat to the site, it's tiring repeatedly raising and lowering the sonar and clump weights it uses (all day in the sun). 


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #737 2/29 -
« Reply #691 on: March 01, 2008, 02:38:56 PM » 

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Quote from: klaasend on March 01, 2008, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 01, 2008, 02:27:29 PM
did they?


I don't think they did.  They searched the pond area then packed up and left 


We were offshore the day after the pond was searched. We were dockside today, leaving tomorrow.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 09:54:24 PM

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1259/februarycr7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1333/february1jn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 09:59:18 PM
Thanks *******, I wasn't able to bring the pictures over.   ::MonkeyWink::

Your Welcome  :wink:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 10:23:49 PM
Does anyone have any idea how deep this pond is?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone have any idea what it would involve to bring a target up from the bottom of this pond?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Do any of our known perpetrators have access to a small boat that could have been launched at night?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone have any thoughts about them stealing the traps from the fisherman's huts, but dropping the trap in the pond instead of the ocean?  According to Andrew Hodges, the stolen trap that the fisherman at the huts described was not as large as the trap that was found in the ocean.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 16, 2008, 10:33:52 PM
The fisherman also noticed that a large fishing cage stored behind the first of the three Fisherman's Huts at the southern-most corner was missing. The cage had been there approximately a month since about Good Friday, March 25, 2005. The cage belonged to another fisherman who kept his boat next to these four huts. The boat was still there. But the cage was missing.

The fisherman described the cage as made of 3/8-inch iron (such as that used in concrete reinforcing—"rebar") with a frame size approximately 5 ½ feet by 4 feet by 17 inches. He described it as a large fishing cage with its frame wrapped in chicken wire with its familiar hexagonal openings but with an opening in one panel which allowed them to trap fish. He believed that, given its size and weight, it would take two men to manage the cage. Once aboard, it would lay low on the floor of the nearby fishing boat.

http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 16, 2008, 10:33:55 PM
Texasmom…Thanks for the response….Hmmm…..????

Sir Sidney Ponson

5/27/2005 against Detroit.

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050527&content_id=1065147&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

6/01/2005 against Boston

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050601&content_id=1071630&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
SS:

That Pond cannot be very deep and I would imagine retrieving targets would be very easy  as all they would need would be a experienced diver. From what was posted,that will be the first area they look at when they go back to Aruba to search for Natalee. We are probably looking at less then 100 foot depth for sure.

It's hard to tell how big that pond is or how deep but it would be easily accesable with a cigarette boat like Lorenzo's or any small boat like the one seen in the picture..

I think it's very possible they could have stolen that trap and dumped it in the middle of that pond. If that is true then Natalee would be found very quickly if they searched it.MO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 16, 2008, 10:45:39 PM
I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Bondia022808search.jpg)
OE Wrote:
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?

I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 17, 2008, 12:01:26 AM
SS:

That Pond cannot be very deep and I would imagine retrieving targets would be very easy  as all they would need would be a experienced diver. From what was posted,that will be the first area they look at when they go back to Aruba to search for Natalee. We are probably looking at less then 100 foot depth for sure.

It's hard to tell how big that pond is or how deep but it would be easily accesable with a cigarette boat like Lorenzo's or any small boat like the one seen in the picture..

I think it's very possible they could have stolen that trap and dumped it in the middle of that pond. If that is true then Natalee would be found very quickly if they searched it.MO


How an inflatable Rhino Rider from Julia Renfro's water sports company that could be transported to the pond in Lorenzo's van?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 17, 2008, 02:15:26 AM
Kermit,

Thanks for the info, especially the map with Monserat....it jogged my memory.

I think Klassend made the map a long time ago.

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3782/curmap1qs1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 17, 2008, 02:16:41 AM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Louis Manseur owned most of the shares in this property.  He pretty recently got ride of 15000 shares is I believe what I read in the Aruba News here while back.  Thought that was interesting.  This is a newspaper put out by ATAHA and bunch.   JB

That is interesting jack.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:27:05 AM
I've been meaning to say this forever but I keep forgetting - I'm getting old I guess. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is one area of Aruba that is very very lucrative and legal....wanna guess? that's right the jewelry businesses. Over the years I would always buy my girlfriend something from one or two of the store where I became friends with the owner.

Little Europe was probably my favorite because I liked Sonny so much.

So what does this have to do with anything? probably nothing, but, everyone that seems to work or own these stores is from Suriname and of Indian decent. I understand that all of these people live in the same area and are a very close knit community. This is an area that seems to have escaped any discussion over the years. And I would think that the boycott and the decline in tourists have just about bankrupted some of these stores. They obviously have a lot to lose.

Just wondering if there is a connection to Suriname and the Kalpoes that could go through these jewelry stores?

probably not...


I wonder why the Kalpoes step dad is the only one we never hear about...lions den and VIp both owned by suriname.

Maybe Caps can find out what business he is in. I have heard sandwich shop, car rental, etc. I would really like to know...


Vms…I asked the other day if anyone knew which hotel/casino that Luis worked in. I have seen this twice now, once just last week in a link from the NAH or last Shango thread! He was questioned on June 2nd. And again on June 28th. along with Freddy and Lorenzo…he sure keeps some interesting company on the 28th.!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm


Name: Khemwattie Rajkumar Ramirez
Date: 02 June 2005118:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator Dennis Jacobs & Angelo Anthony
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's mother

Name: Luis Ramirez
Date: 02 June 2005 / 15:10
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Angelo Anthony
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's stepfather

Name: Luis Ramirez
Date: 28 June 2005 / 11:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's stepfather

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement

Name: Lorenzo Van Rijn
Date: 28 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:37:19 AM
Kermit…Ribbitt…Ribbitt…Thank you once again  ::MonkeyDance::

Are those villas the Surfside villas? The road does not appear to be paved in some pics!

Anyone know which ‘Star’ that Best Buddy is speaking of here?  TIA

Back to the Racquet Club for me!

bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
FeliX wrote:
Wow, BestBuddy! Great shots!

Any idea what kind of tip brought them there to investigate?
Were they back today...Sunday? Any resolution?

"Follow the Star"....The Racquet Club?
The sneaker?

Hi There,

Poster, "Walnut" posted about the tip yesterday on "Where would you look on Aruba"

The pictures were taken today, Sunday. I could not find anyone there digging yesterday.

The Raquet Club is right in the star's path also. Good point!

The sneaker? I have lost my flip flops several times. There is very soft mud around the Fishermen Huts area.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:41:12 AM
Mum and Rob,

I saw you discussing the jewelry store connection this morning and I couldn't reply because I wasn't on my computer.  The recent jewelry connection that we had discussed was the mother of Daury Rodriguez.  When she was arrested, Ramona Tejada-Rodrigues said that she worked in jewelry sales.  ::MonkeyConfused::

SS...Thanks...This is probably what I was thinking of...too many names mentioned latelt...I feel like I've checked out nearly everyone on Aruba!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 08:42:19 AM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 08:50:44 AM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.


Rob…Will have to find it, but there is something in J’s book about a Judge Williams and Carlo from when he was released. We couldn’t find Judge Williams!!!

Really slow computer and working on some posts, but will find it!…Not sure if it’s the server..No way…only SM!!! Can not load pages to get to anything!!!

Sorry…Good Morning!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:01:33 AM
Morning Mum, - try this...

http://www.tune-up.com/products/tuneup-utilities/

There is a free download and should speed up your computer and correct the internal problems.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:02:36 AM
Another thing, who wants to bet Mr BB was put on a watch list that would have prevented him from entering Holland?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 09:30:53 AM
Rob…I don’t see much, but maybe some-one else will! Sept. 1st!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0


Page 341
In April 2007 Dave will go together with the search and resque team of non-proffit organisation Texas EquuSearch to look for his daughter one more time.

On August 29 2006 my lawyer Anthony Carlo filed a written request to end the investigation against me because I am living under the threat of prosecution for too long. That would also end the status of suspect. On November 30 2006 is the hearing. On December 7 2006 I receive a short e-mail from my father:

P234

August 31st 2005

Joran goes to court and speaks with a judge for a very long time. He feels that this goes well until the judge forces a confrontation between him, Deepak and Satish. The Kalpoes maintain that they did not pick up Joran from the beach.

Joran hears that Freddy will be held in custody for another 8 days.

P235/36

September 1st 2005

Anthony visits again, has not heard back from the judge, only knows that Joran will be confronted with Deepak and Satish again on Saturday. Anthony leaves but returns ten minutes later and says, "Judge Williams has decided to release you on Saturday at 15:00." Joran jumps for joy.

P237

Paul meets with Joran and tells him that he has found a school for him in Arnhem.

September 2nd 2005

Joran learns that Freddy was released yesterday, the Kalpoes released earlier.

CHAPTER 16

Chapter 16: Back in a rush to the Netherlands

P 240

When Joran is released from KIA on Sept 4 he only has time to say goodbye to Freddy, Jaime, Sander and Koen, which bothers him. He doesn't want to go to the NL becase he has just been released. He wants to study in the US, but that was no longer an option because of all the media attention.

The next day he flies to the NL and enrolls at a school in Arnhem, where classes had already started two weeks before. Joran doesn't think that anyone at the school recognized him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 17, 2008, 09:35:40 AM
For those of you who are asking about money laundering and diamonds... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diamonds are a "controlled" commodity...

The mark-up is astronomical....thousands of percent

Diamonds, in reality are one of the most "plentiful" crystals on earth...but market control by diamond entrepreneurs is one of the most successful "cartels" in the modern world...

It is a perfect money laundering scheme...think about it... are there any diamond mines on Aruba?

bring in diamonds on the black market for pennies -- sell for thousands of dollars...

Just research it... it is there... There are countries on this planet where you can take a walk and find a big diamond on the walkpath...

but it is an exploited industry...workers in africa are assassinated if it is felt or determined by security guards that they might have even "swallowed" a gemstone...

The labor cost of extracting a diamond is pennies...but the mark-up to U.S. or European Retail is astronomical...

So...the question is...??? Why is there a diamond industry in Aruba, of all places... Unless the mafia is smuggling them in to launder money from???

This case gets more and more interesting as more of the underbelly of the darkside becomes more and more exposed.....right? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:35:56 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:44:46 AM
Hi Ya Silverfox...

There are no diamond minds on Aruba. The DeBeers corp had a marketing plan for diamonds. I've seen this on the History channel countless times. The guy that owns DeBeers is not a DeBeers at all, but bought them out and conjoined several smaller mines in South Africa into the largest diamond producer on the planet. Diamonds have recently been discovered in Canada and the quality is much better. Fewer inclusions when taken on mass.

You're right, the mark up on diamonds is tremendous. It all started with a little ingenious plan to make a piece of pressurized carbon into a symbol of love and it was ingenious indeed. The carbon itself is not worth much without the marketing plan.

Industrial diamonds are not worth much either, as the quality is very low and only valued for the hardness and cutting ability.

IIRC, when you have a 1 carat diamond, that is twice as rare as a .5 carat diamond. And so on. When you get to the truly titanic size diamonds the rarity is astronomical. A 6 carat diamond would be twice as rare as a 3 carat diamond.

Russia has a vast store house of diamonds and if they released even one tenth of the stock the world price would plummet.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 09:47:46 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.

You are welcome!

Rob…I thought it was Smid that released him in court, but the book said Carlo did it all in 10 minutes!

Also Freddy was released the 1st. and it had been said that he was to be held another 8 days!

Will have to do more research…I smell a rat!

Thanks for the link…will try it in a bit!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 09:54:28 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.

You are welcome!

Rob…I thought it was Smid that released him in court, but the book said Carlo did it all in 10 minutes!

Also Freddy was released the 1st. and it had been said that he was to be held another 8 days!

Will have to do more research…I smell a rat!

Thanks for the link…will try it in a bit!


wait a sec... didn't the Freebirds do a piece on this? I seem to recall it was Smid. Carlo is powerless to release a formal suspect. He can file the papers and ask, but he can't make any decisions.

probably not a good idea to place too much credence in Joran's book, in my opinion. I know you know that and were just using it as a reference point. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:09:14 AM
now - the racquet club villas

(http://www.arubareservations.com/house_room_rentals.html)


Louis Manseur owned most of the shares in this property.  He pretty recently got ride of 15000 shares is I believe what I read in the Aruba News here while back.  Thought that was interesting.  This is a newspaper put out by ATAHA and bunch.   JB


« Reply #869 on: Today at 08:48:46 AM » Quote 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: johan555 on Today at 05:24:37 AM
on Fok :
On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 19:10 wrote secunda the following:

Those who suggest that there is one behind Steve Cohen is Shango?
Those stories still come from somewhere.

Is Steve Cohen at AHATA someone who has worked or is that just a verzinsel?

AHATA means Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association? On Aruba?


I do not know who said that, but Steve Cohen has indeed AHATA. He was also a member of a kind of "damage control" gang that The Strategic Communications Task Force said. I do not know if they still exist, but in those club were all sorts of notables that Aruba must 'protect' against bad press releases.

I am not sure, but I think he departed in 2006/2007 to America for the principal purpose of some kind of head to a local tourist office.


Yes Steve Cohen helped the damage control a great deal when he announced in front of millions that at least 2 of the boy had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever. He is now working for a company in Seattle Washington..
 
 
Jackb…do you have more on the Mansurs and thae property around the Racquet Club? Was it Luis or Eric (the gardener worked for Eric)?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:14:04 AM
Thanks for the segments Mum.

You are welcome!

Rob…I thought it was Smid that released him in court, but the book said Carlo did it all in 10 minutes!

Also Freddy was released the 1st. and it had been said that he was to be held another 8 days!

Will have to do more research…I smell a rat!

Thanks for the link…will try it in a bit!


wait a sec... didn't the Freebirds do a piece on this? I seem to recall it was Smid. Carlo is powerless to release a formal suspect. He can file the papers and ask, but he can't make any decisions.

probably not a good idea to place too much credence in Joran's book, in my opinion. I know you know that and were just using it as a reference point. LOL


LOL...more like a contradiction point.  It was the Williams that has caught my attention! There is no Judge Williams, I've looked it up a couple of times on Kermit's judge list...we know another Williams...LOL

So who did Carlo talk to and come back 10 minutes later and tell Joran he was going to be released? Could be fiction, will do some checking!  Need to recheck and see if the Kalpoe face to face happened, or if there was two!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:27:48 AM
Texasmom…Thanks for the response….Hmmm…..????

Sir Sidney Ponson

5/27/2005 against Detroit.

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050527&content_id=1065147&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

6/01/2005 against Boston

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050601&content_id=1071630&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
 


Texasmom, I found this last night, it shows that Sidney did not pitch the days we are looking at.

Need to look at some Simian posts.

Is he related to the Racquet Club Ponsons?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 10:28:16 AM
MUM I'm pretty sure the face to face with Joran and the Kalpoes happened. In fact, it happened twice.

Once they sat them down in a room at one of the police stations (probably Noord, but I'm not sure if it was Noord or Bubali) and they were blaming each other, and the second time was in the police van / car.

I recall this because most of us were questioning the tactic used by the police. It didn't seem to make any sense to any of us at the time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 10:29:55 AM
MUM I'm pretty sure the face to face with Joran and the Kalpoes happened. In fact, it happened twice.

Once they sat them down in a room at one of the police stations (probably Noord, but I'm not sure if it was Noord or Bubali) and they were blaming each other, and the second time was in the police van / car.

I recall this because most of us were questioning the tactic used by the police. It didn't seem to make any sense to any of us at the time.

one other item, wasn't it Steve Cohen that claimed to have open the cell door and released Joran? I seem to recall that also.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 10:35:49 AM
MUM I'm pretty sure the face to face with Joran and the Kalpoes happened. In fact, it happened twice.

Once they sat them down in a room at one of the police stations (probably Noord, but I'm not sure if it was Noord or Bubali) and they were blaming each other, and the second time was in the police van / car.

I recall this because most of us were questioning the tactic used by the police. It didn't seem to make any sense to any of us at the time.

one other item, wasn't it Steve Cohen that claimed to have open the cell door and released Joran? I seem to recall that also.

Yes...I'm sure it was!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 11:06:07 AM
Bringing this over from the NAH thrad so as we have things together.« Reply #869 on:

 Today at 08:48:46 AM » *******   
 Quote from: johan555 on Today at 05:24:37 AM
on Fok :

On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 19:10 wrote secunda the following: Those who suggest that there is one behind Steve Cohen is Shango? Those stories still come from somewhere.

Is Steve Cohen at AHATA someone who has worked or is that just a verzinsel? AHATA means Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association? On Aruba?

I do not know who said that, but Steve Cohen has indeed AHATA. He was also a member of a kind of "damage control" gang that The Strategic Communications Task Force said. I do not know if they still exist, but in those club were all sorts of notables that Aruba must 'protect' against bad press releases.

I am not sure, but I think he departed in 2006/2007 to America for the principal purpose of some kind of head to a local tourist office.

from *******...
Yes Steve Cohen helped the damage control a great deal when he announced in front of millions that at least 2 of the boy had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever. He is now working for a company in Seattle Washington..





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 17, 2008, 11:35:30 AM
Kermit…Ribbitt…Ribbitt…Thank you once again  ::MonkeyDance::

Are those villas the Surfside villas? The road does not appear to be paved in some pics!

Anyone know which ‘Star’ that Best Buddy is speaking of here?  TIA

Back to the Racquet Club for me!

bestbuddy
Monkey Junkey
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:55 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
FeliX wrote:
Wow, BestBuddy! Great shots!

Any idea what kind of tip brought them there to investigate?
Were they back today...Sunday? Any resolution?

"Follow the Star"....The Racquet Club?
The sneaker?

Hi There,

Poster, "Walnut" posted about the tip yesterday on "Where would you look on Aruba"

The pictures were taken today, Sunday. I could not find anyone there digging yesterday.

The Raquet Club is right in the star's path also. Good point!

The sneaker? I have lost my flip flops several times. There is very soft mud around the Fishermen Huts area.




the road that the Gardner took and around the Racquet Club are not paved.
This is the back of the Racquet Club
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9789/backofarubaracquetclubor8.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 17, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Bringing this over from the NAH thrad so as we have things together.« Reply #869 on:

 Today at 08:48:46 AM » *******   
 Quote from: johan555 on Today at 05:24:37 AM
on Fok :

On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 19:10 wrote secunda the following: Those who suggest that there is one behind Steve Cohen is Shango? Those stories still come from somewhere.

Is Steve Cohen at AHATA someone who has worked or is that just a verzinsel? AHATA means Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association? On Aruba?

I do not know who said that, but Steve Cohen has indeed AHATA. He was also a member of a kind of "damage control" gang that The Strategic Communications Task Force said. I do not know if they still exist, but in those club were all sorts of notables that Aruba must 'protect' against bad press releases.

I am not sure, but I think he departed in 2006/2007 to America for the principal purpose of some kind of head to a local tourist office.

from *******...
Yes Steve Cohen helped the damage control a great deal when he announced in front of millions that at least 2 of the boy had sex with Natalee before she dissapeared forever. He is now working for a company in Seattle Washington..





Dr Phil is unschooled as a journalist or as an investigator. He bought , hook line and sinker the claims of BHT that a boycott of Aruba.
If he has evidence that Natalee is alive he should immediately bring it to the FBI or authorities.
He is a blowhard who is using the case to build up his already inflated ego.
Esteban Croes
Comment from scohen54 - 11/6/05 8:28 PM

Link (http://journals.aol.com/thefeedblog/AOLNewsTheFeed/entries/2005/11/04/daily-debate-possible-to-go-lower-of-course-its-tv/1010?numComment=all)

**********

Stephen Cohen
Strategic Message Design Group
2817 Cardiff Ave
Los Angeles CA 90034 USA
310.922.1378
scohen54@aol.com

www.iacvb.org/images/resource_center/S102_Surviving.pdf


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Vms...Good Morning...Thanks, I posted the link for Johann to come and read, on the 'Dutch' thread.

Kermit...Ribbitt again!...LOL...the gold bricks!

I am wondering if the Star could be the Grandfather of Aruban tennis? A Venezeulan, not Aruban!  Something Hose, will have to check his name...I checked on him a while back.

Does anyone know if the girls played tennis at the Holiday Inn? The Sanchez fellow from the Racquet Club is/was their tennis pro! Thanks in Advance!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
if I


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 12:11:55 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 12:36:13 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Thanks Rob...for the info...I think you are right! There were a couple of big drug busts later in 2005, one boat captain's name was Rodriguez-something, and that has always peeked my interest. Every few weeks I go back and see if something 'fits'.

I think the 'birds on the wire' were surveillence and the big picture is why we will never know what happened. Aruba knows this and that is why they taunt us! That FOS post and a presence in the region is so important. JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 01:18:58 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Thanks Rob...for the info...I think you are right! There were a couple of big drug busts later in 2005, one boat captain's name was Rodriguez-something, and that has always peeked my interest. Every few weeks I go back and see if something 'fits'.

I think the 'birds on the wire' were surveillence and the big picture is why we will never know what happened. Aruba knows this and that is why they taunt us! That FOS post and a presence in the region is so important. JMO
MUM
I wonder if the boat captain that You mentioned above by the name Rodriguez is any kin to Daury Daniel Rodriguez who is locked up in NH on drug charges? 
 HMMMM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 01:30:00 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 01:36:57 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 01:59:32 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005

MUM... I have lots of errands to run this afternoon...but I will research this later this evening and see what I can come up with....Thanks for the link... ::MonkeyWink:: That is if no other Smart Monkey beats Me to it.. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on April 17, 2008, 02:30:39 PM
if I

no idea how that happened. I must have hit something... anyway.. as I was going to say.

If I am correct, in the manufacturing process of making cocaine from coca leaves, petro / gas / fuel is used and sometimes the cocaine has a yellow tint and a gas like taste.

http://www.cocaine.org/synthesis/index.html

<snip>

  Methylecgonine. 0.4 mole of tropinone is suspended in 80 ml of ethanol
in a Parr hydrogenation flask (or something that can take 100 psi and
not react with the reaction, like stainless steel or glass). 10 g of
Raney Nickle is added with good agitation (stirring or shaking) followed
by 2- 3 ml of 20% NaOH solution. Seal vessel, introduce 50 psi of
hydrogen atmosphere (after flushing vessel with hydrogen) and heat to
40-50¡. After no more uptake of hydrogen (pressure gauge will hold
steady after dropping to its lowest point) bleed off pressure and filter
the nickle off, rinse out bottle with chloroform and use this rinse to
rinse off the nickle while still on the filter paper. Make the filtrate
basic with KOH after cooling to 10¡. Extract with chloroform dry, and
evaporate the chloroform in vacuo to get an oil. Mix the oil plus any
precipitate with an equal volume of dry ether and filter. Add more dry
ether to the filtrate until no more precipitate forms, filter and add to
the rest of the precipitate. Recrystallize from isopropanol to get pure
methylecgonine. Test for activity. If active, skip down to the step for
cocaine. If not active, proceed as follows. Stir with activated carbon
for 30 min, filter, evaporate in vacuo, dissolve the brown liquid in
methanol, and neutralize with 10% HCI acid in dry ether. Evaporate the
ether until the two layers disappear, and allow to stand for 2 hours at
0¡ to precipitate the title product. There are many ways to reduce
2-carbomethoxytropinone to methylecgonine. I chose to design a Raney
Nickle reduction because it is cheap and not as suspicious as LAH and it
is much easier than zinc or sodium amalgams.

<snip again>

As you can see, this is quite a chore. The coca leaves give ecgonine,
which as you can see, is only a Jump away from cocaine. If you can get
egconine, then dissolve 8l/2 g of it in 100 ml of ethanol and pass
(bubble) dry HC1 gas through this solution for 30 min. Let cool to room
temp and let stand for another 11/2 hours. Gently reflux for 30 min and
evaporate in vacuo. Basify the residue oil with NaOH and filter to get
8.4 g of methylecgonine, which is converted to cocaine as in the cocaine
step above.

++++++++++++

this link has a video

http://onemansblog.com/2006/11/24/how-cocaine-is-made/

in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine. At one time is was more expense than gold and can be traded like gold.

In that video, I see quite a few chemicals being used. Caustic Soda, a few different types of fuel and an assortment of other highly flammables.


Thank you, Rob, for your statement:  "in my opinion, gold bricks has to be cocaine".
Yesterday, in the Natalee thread, I asked if bricks of cocaine could be bricks of gold.
I don't know if you're answering my question, but in any event, I was happy to see your post.  Thanks.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 17, 2008, 03:43:05 PM
CAPS - you said that you spoke with your contacts about the 2 hour video that was made the night that Natalee died.  Do your contacts know if the video was actually distributed and/or sold to the Europeon market?  Is it possible that this video still exists somewhere?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 17, 2008, 04:06:05 PM
Klaas - here is some more information about the Rodriguez/Tejada heroin bust.  Can you please put it in the right thread?  Thanks so much.

Cops seize heroin and weapons cache

 


THE BRONX Gang squad seized eight kilos of heroin and nine load handguns from a Sedgwick Avenue apartment last week. The items were on display at the 50th Precinct. Photo by Joshua Bright
Photo Reprints



 

By Marie Villani-York


A Kingsbridge Heights couple is facing a litany of charges after police raided their Sedgwick Avenue home last week and found an eye-popping display of drugs and weapons.

The Bronx gang squad had been investigating Edwin Dela- Cruz, 31, and his girlfriend, Lucila Tejada, 36, for several weeks. On Jan. 9, at 8:40 a.m., as the couple lay sleeping, officers raided their apartment, inside 3343 Sedgwick Ave., arresting them and seizing eight kilograms of heroin, nine loaded guns and a variety of drug paraphernalia. Both were arrested without incident.

Deputy Chief Robert Boyce, commander of the Citywide Gang Unit, said Mr. DelaCruz and Ms. Tejada are not gang members but are part of a larger drug organization suspected of selling heroin in the Bronx and parts of Upper Manhattan. He described the bust as significant, explaining that the two were not working in some mom-and-pop fashion.

Eight kilograms of heroin, he said, is worth half a million dollars. Deputy Inspector Dermot Shea, commanding officer of the 50th Precinct and a former head of several Bronx narcotics squads, said that amount of heroin can fetch dealers about a million dollars on the street.

Several residents of 3343 Sedgwick Ave., a well-maintained brick apartment building overlooking the Jerome Park Reservoir, were startled by the arrests. However, one woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said neighbors began noticing some unusual traffic in the building.

"We're in shock but we knew something funny was going on," she said. "Now we're all breathing a sigh of relief."

A representative from the Sedgwick Management Corporation, the managing agent for the building, said she had heard no complaints about the couple from residents.

According to police, Mr. Delacruz and Ms. Tejada had drugs and weapons stashed all over the apartment. They found one kilogram under the couple's bed, and seven more wrapped and tucked in a large box in the living room.

Nine handguns, all loaded, were found in the bedroom - two in a dresser by the bed and six more under the bed. A Mac 11, a fully automatic machine gun that fires 1,200 rounds per minute, was also recovered. It was also loaded with several rounds of ammunition, police said.

Deputy Chief Boyce said the stash of weapons was "highquality."

Mr. Delacruz has been previously arrested on weapons, robbery and felony charges. He was taken off parole in August 2006.

Ms. Tejada has no prior arrests.

The pair, who appeared before a judge on Tuesday, is due back in court on Jan. 22.


This is part of the January 17, 2008 online edition of The Riverdale Press.
http://www.riverdalepress.com/full.php?sid=2583&current_edition=2008-01-17


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 04:09:30 PM
LOL…You guys forgot about my 50 bags of heroin=1 brick!!!


Jug, Beth and Dave have a DEA named Williams.

In both Joran’s and Paulus’ PVs there is an FBI Williams.

Carlo comes back after 10 minutes and says that Judge Williams is going to release Joran!

We can’t find a Judge Williams.

Any thoughts on just whom this Judge Williams might be….


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 17, 2008, 05:14:05 PM
Mum, I have two guesses on Judge Williams - one, he doesn't exist and it is a code mane for another Judge Joran does not want known, or maybe he is a substitute Judge like Paulus was. If he is not a permanent Judge he could have been used to do some of the dirty work anonymously. I have never seen the name other than the excerpt from Joran's book.

that's all I got... ::MonkeyHaHa::   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 17, 2008, 07:03:53 PM
I just went here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway and below you can click on the link at the bttom of the page.

 

 a b Judge: Both suspects can be held in Alabama teenager's disappearance in Aruba. Court TV (2005-06-08). Retrieved on 2007-05-12.
^ a b c Judge orders suspects held in teen's disappearance. CNN (2005-06-09). Retrieved on 2008-03-22.
^ a b c Dutch Teen Tells 'Primetime' About Night With Natalee Holloway. ABC News (2006-02-23). Retrieved on 2007-06-05.
^ a b c d O'Neill, Ann. "Holloway case a mystery after a year of 'catch and release'", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-05-14. 
^ a b c 3 re-arrested in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teen. CNN - Associated Press (2007-11-21). Retrieved on 2008
But when you click on the link the they don't name all the Judge's it just says
 ::MonkeyEek:: JUDGE


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 17, 2008, 07:12:07 PM
I just went here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway and below you can click on the link at the bttom of the page.

 

 a b Judge: Both suspects can be held in Alabama teenager's disappearance in Aruba. Court TV (2005-06-08). Retrieved on 2007-05-12.
^ a b c Judge orders suspects held in teen's disappearance. CNN (2005-06-09). Retrieved on 2008-03-22.
^ a b c Dutch Teen Tells 'Primetime' About Night With Natalee Holloway. ABC News (2006-02-23). Retrieved on 2007-06-05.
^ a b c d O'Neill, Ann. "Holloway case a mystery after a year of 'catch and release'", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-05-14. 
^ a b c 3 re-arrested in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teen. CNN - Associated Press (2007-11-21). Retrieved on 2008
But when you click on the link the they don't name all the Judge's it just says
 ::MonkeyEek:: JUDGE



Thanks Blonde...It was Smid...just bought the link from Natalee's Freebirds as the post is long...good reading though!

I know that Williams was DEA, I posted something that Pita had found a little while back about a case he had worked on. Not sure why Paulus and Joran said FBI??? Don't think the guy was on vacation either!

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/12/rick-smid-arubas-dirtiest-judge.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 17, 2008, 07:21:44 PM

April 10, 2008, 09:04:15 AM

Quote from: Lala'sMom
And about the name Croes...I am certain there are many Croes on Aruba related to many others. Just as in my town there are numerous Smiths and Jones...but not all are best buds to each other or related except by distant cousins ten times removed. There are people in several Croes families that have a common ancestor or even a common grandparent that are not friendly or even associate with the other side of the family. Sometimes you have to look past the name and see the other things too. Why do I say this? Because I have done my own research too...I don't just take things at face value. So it remains...confusion and chaos in the Shango Forum....LOL! Just another day at the office.


April 11, 2008, 11:55:45 PM

Quote from: finbar
Ten times removed is a tad...distant. Me thinks we can find some relations that are closer than that.

http://www.usafamilydetective.com/cousin_chart.htm

Yes, Croes. I feel like I am on the Aruban Express. Croes, Croes, Croes. Ringing like a bell in me head.

Yes, the world is filled with Smith & Jones, but we are not speaking of the world. We are speaking about Aruba. A small island. Many are related. Many. It boils down to Family or Tourist. Leaves quite a predicament. Maybe even in what one might tell another in confidence.

The gossamer of Croes weaves all through the island. Some are of the name Croes as still yet. Some have other names. Some in this thread posted. Some relations, not yet connected by some....

There are many trees on Aruba. Some branches touch other trees. Time allows some to wear the mask of deception.

Trim a branch and see who falls out. It may give you a stir.

Fin

was reading back in previous thread
and didn't remember seeing this

Fin: you could sell popsicles to penguins!!!

so, who did you find when you plugged in names
at the familydetective link?

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 17, 2008, 08:20:50 PM
I definetly think there is a connection to these Jewelery dealers and drug trafficking. I remember last year we heard about a man who was cut in half/mutilated from robbing a jewelery store I believe from Jossy. Of course the story changed and we were told it was a animal that was mutllated,I think a goat or a donkey..Anyone remember that?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
Texasmom…Thanks for the response….Hmmm…..????

Sir Sidney Ponson

5/27/2005 against Detroit.

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050527&content_id=1065147&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal

6/01/2005 against Boston

http://www.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20050601&content_id=1071630&vkey=wrapup2004&fext=.jsp&c_id=bal
 


Texasmom, I found this last night, it shows that Sidney did not pitch the days we are looking at.

Need to look at some Simian posts.

Is he related to the Racquet Club Ponsons?  TIA

Hi Mum,
I haven't found a connection to them yet, I've been doing a lot of reading!  He may not be connected to anything at all, but it can't hurt to find out what I can about him.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 17, 2008, 08:51:32 PM
I just went here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway and below you can click on the link at the bttom of the page.

 

 a b Judge: Both suspects can be held in Alabama teenager's disappearance in Aruba. Court TV (2005-06-08). Retrieved on 2007-05-12.
^ a b c Judge orders suspects held in teen's disappearance. CNN (2005-06-09). Retrieved on 2008-03-22.
^ a b c Dutch Teen Tells 'Primetime' About Night With Natalee Holloway. ABC News (2006-02-23). Retrieved on 2007-06-05.
^ a b c d O'Neill, Ann. "Holloway case a mystery after a year of 'catch and release'", CNN. Retrieved on 2007-05-14. 
^ a b c 3 re-arrested in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teen. CNN - Associated Press (2007-11-21). Retrieved on 2008
But when you click on the link the they don't name all the Judge's it just says
 ::MonkeyEek:: JUDGE

::MonkeyHaHa:: I've been reading there too!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 17, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005





 Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:36 am
Casanostra is standing at a window looking onto Babylon

referencing-
casanostra Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:35 am
I picked the casanostra as a name after doing much research as to their relationship to the island of Aruba and the drug trade, as well as other things that go along with it. Do some googling and find out for yourself. I think that Natalee is alive and that there are people on the island, and those that pass through the island that no one wants to mess with. There lies the predicament. You have a criminal element more powerful than the authorities and a chess game is being played. I think Joran is being protected, but he is also guilty of something. Not murder, but leading Natalee into something very sinister. I apologize if my speculation is in any way disrespectful to she or her family, but I find this very intriguing and it goes much deeper than what is implied on television.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 17, 2008, 11:35:46 PM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005

MUM i found this....from Oct 2005

 http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


Over two tons of cocaine seized off coast of Aruba


Jim Kouri Jim Kouri
October 19, 2005


Suspected foul-play involving American teenager Natalee Holloway isn't the only big crime story in Aruba these days. Known as a favorite transshipment for drug traffckers, the waters surrounding Aruba were the scene of a major drug interdiction operation by US officials.

United States federal agents seized 4,488 pounds of cocaine on board the Bolivian-flagged vessel M/V Sea Atlantic at approximately 150 nautical miles off the coast of Aruba. The seizure was part of Operation Caribbean Corridor, an investigative/law enforcement initiative by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean Basin.

The Sea Atlantic, sailing under the Bolivian flag, raised the interest of law enforcement organizations operating as part of Operation Caribbean Corridor. After successful cooperation between the USCG, the international counter drug organization Joint Inter- Agency Task Force South, the Royal Netherlands Navy, and the Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, more than 65 bales of cocaine were found in a hidden compartment on board the ship.

The USCG Law Enforcement Detachment — permanently stationed onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy Ship — boarded the motor vessel, assisted by a Royal Netherlands Navy Maritime security Team. Later that morning, they found 68 bales (approximately 4,488 pounds) of a powdery substance that tested positive for cocaine during a field test.

The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela

Carlos Julio Almonte, 59, citizen of Dominican Republic

Gandaogo Minoungou, 42, citizen of Burkina Faso

Nii Klaku Okley, 39, citizen of Ghana

Ruberts Jose Gonzalez Valero, 29, citizen of Venezuela

Ronald Jose Morelis, 32, citizen of Venezuela

Julio Cesar de la Rosa, 34, citizen of Dominican Republic

Reinaldo Jose Cabello, 42, citizen of Venezuela

Alberto Javier Padilla, 36, citizen of Mexico

"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.

"US Coast Guard law enforcement detachments have a proud and successful history of intercepting contraband with the Dutch navy in the Caribbean. With the aggressive work of ICE, DEA and the FBI in Operation Caribbean Corridor, our collective resources are maximized as we work together to keep drugs off the streets." Said Captain James Tunstall, Commander, USCG, Sector San Juan.

The crew members arrested will be prosecuted in federal court in Puerto Rico.

Sources: US Coast Guard, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, US Department of Justice, American Federation of Police



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 17, 2008, 11:50:07 PM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.

Not much here, but the Kalpoes are from Suriname


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 18, 2008, 12:26:57 AM
whoa!!! now it's all making sense.

When the judge released Joran from KIA, he was released under formal suspect status and only permitted travel in the KINGDOM.

With all this hogwash about Mr BB being a mercenary, it shouldn't be too hard to connect a conversation between the Sloots and the Judge that used the alleged "hit" as a reason to get him off of Aruba.

SS, thanks for the connection to the heroin shipments and the jewelry stores, but how do we connect them to the Kalpoes? I'm sure there are some Arubans working in those stores, but for the most part the workers all seem to be from Suriname. They are actually quite easy to identify due to their dialect. The speak English with a slight British accent, and indicative of an Indian decent. Mr. Ramierz's home does not look overly outlandish and he seems middle class, to me at least.

Not much here, but the Kalpoes are from Suriname

Also this is for MUM:  Hope it helps some.  Anyway it is in 2001, anyway I think.  Aruba Facts - Aruba News:

La Cabana Racquet & Beach Club is transferred   to timeshare owners

Wednesday afternoon as the restyled and dramatic pool was re-introduced at La Cabana an important transfer of assets was taking place downtown at the office of Civil Law Notary Bodeker. Developers Luis Mansur & Sara Mansur transferred ownership of the real estate assets to 15.000 on-island/off-island owners, the time share members of the resort. It's wonderful for the owners, said highly pleased Board Member Roland Falcioni, seen in the picture shaking Luis Mansur's hand. Falcioni, along with other Board Members Martin Doctrow and Rina Lacle witnessed Aruba biggest transfer of assets with a tax value of over Afls 100.000.000. The transfer restores total credibility to Aruba's timeshare industry, said Hans Vink, representing the developers. Following the transaction the Interval members of La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club indirectly own individed shares in the resort real estate. Attorney Maura Brown, the President of the Co-Op Association who handled the transaction and Attorney John v/d Kuyp representing the developers are also pictured here as the legal documents were signed.
             

[courtesy of Rona Coster ]


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 18, 2008, 02:32:02 AM
Correction in above post...should have been NJ  not NH  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Hotping...He had another name after it, but I have always kept an eye out for the Rodriguez name as it is now connected to Freddy's family. Have a quick look here and see if you find anything or you can google DEA Caribbean News. The boat captain lost an appeal recently. COLUMBO  and I talked about it a while ago. I think it was October though as I have wondered if that interferred with Nat's investigation, with a DEA agent happening to be on the scene!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=DEA+Caribbean+news+rodriguez+2005

MUM i found this....from Oct 2005

 http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/051019


Over two tons of cocaine seized off coast of Aruba


Jim Kouri Jim Kouri
October 19, 2005


Suspected foul-play involving American teenager Natalee Holloway isn't the only big crime story in Aruba these days. Known as a favorite transshipment for drug traffckers, the waters surrounding Aruba were the scene of a major drug interdiction operation by US officials.

United States federal agents seized 4,488 pounds of cocaine on board the Bolivian-flagged vessel M/V Sea Atlantic at approximately 150 nautical miles off the coast of Aruba. The seizure was part of Operation Caribbean Corridor, an investigative/law enforcement initiative by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the US Coast Guard in the Caribbean Basin.

The Sea Atlantic, sailing under the Bolivian flag, raised the interest of law enforcement organizations operating as part of Operation Caribbean Corridor. After successful cooperation between the USCG, the international counter drug organization Joint Inter- Agency Task Force South, the Royal Netherlands Navy, and the Coast Guard for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, more than 65 bales of cocaine were found in a hidden compartment on board the ship.

The USCG Law Enforcement Detachment — permanently stationed onboard the Royal Netherlands Navy Ship — boarded the motor vessel, assisted by a Royal Netherlands Navy Maritime security Team. Later that morning, they found 68 bales (approximately 4,488 pounds) of a powdery substance that tested positive for cocaine during a field test.

The crew of the M/V Sea Atlantic was arrested and the ship was escorted to Puerto Rico by the USCG Cutter Vigorous. The following crew members of the M/V Sea Atlantic are now in federal custody, according to arrest reports:

Alicides Rodriguez Duran, 38, citizen of Venezuela

Carlos Julio Almonte, 59, citizen of Dominican Republic

Gandaogo Minoungou, 42, citizen of Burkina Faso

Nii Klaku Okley, 39, citizen of Ghana

Ruberts Jose Gonzalez Valero, 29, citizen of Venezuela

Ronald Jose Morelis, 32, citizen of Venezuela

Julio Cesar de la Rosa, 34, citizen of Dominican Republic

Reinaldo Jose Cabello, 42, citizen of Venezuela

Alberto Javier Padilla, 36, citizen of Mexico

"ICE and the other federal agencies in Operation Caribbean Corridor — DEA, FBI and the US Coast Guard — are working together, efficiently and intelligently to stop the transshipment of drugs and other contraband in the Caribbean Basin," according to officials from ICE.

"US Coast Guard law enforcement detachments have a proud and successful history of intercepting contraband with the Dutch navy in the Caribbean. With the aggressive work of ICE, DEA and the FBI in Operation Caribbean Corridor, our collective resources are maximized as we work together to keep drugs off the streets." Said Captain James Tunstall, Commander, USCG, Sector San Juan.

The crew members arrested will be prosecuted in federal court in Puerto Rico.

Sources: US Coast Guard, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, US Department of Justice, American Federation of Police



 Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:13 am
How can one hunt for lions with fishing gear?

Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 1:49 am
Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity (keenness of hearing, sight, intellect).

 Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
All who enter the damned corridors of the houses of Babylon know the dangers that await



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 18, 2008, 06:49:21 AM
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 18, 2008, 07:20:03 AM


Luiz Ramirez, the Kalpoe stepfather, does not appear in the 2004/2005 Chamber records as a businessman? A little odd he acquired his Internet Café at the time the Kalpoes were rearrested, August 29th.2005!

COLUMBO and Hotping…Thanks for the info, that was the one. Trying to figure how any of this could relate to Joran’s unexpected release. Early reports had him as a drug dealer and then he was on a US watch list. If he ratted, the van der Sloots probably wouldn’t be around now. All I can think is that the Sloots had the ‘goods’ on some-one or those darn pesky contracts!

Jackb…Thanks for the info on La cabana.

Silverfox…a little lost on your clue, googled, but didn’t help?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 18, 2008, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
In August 2005 some how Deepak's stepfather Luis Antonio Ramirez became the owner of the Cyberzone Internet Cafe that Deepak worked in.  We were told by Arubans (yeah right) that no money exchanged hands.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=921.820

Yesterday, Bonsai in an email mentioned it appeared the Cyberzone Cafe was no longer there.  I check the Aruba Chamber and sure enough, it appears the business no longer exists as of March 2007:




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 18, 2008, 10:12:35 AM
I think that we all have learned not to trust anything based on surface appearances if it involves Natalee Holloway and Aruba.  Having said that, something is driving me crazy. In January, Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada and Lucilla Tejada were both areested, on the same day, in the Bronx and New Jersey, each with 8 kilos of heroin.  In February, the name Daury Rodriguez is revealed on Joran's video as the person who is responsible for disposing of Natalee's body.  Daury has never been a key figure in this investigation and he is suddenly being held responsible for the final act.  Daury denies all involvement, claims he was in Rotterdam, and threatens to sue Joran. In March, Daury arrives in New Jersey to be part of a big poker tournament and he is very quietly arrested for carrying 8 kilos of heroin.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?  Why is the name Daury Rodriguez suddenly being thrown about by Joran?  Why would a drug carrier/dealer with half a brain carry 8 kilos of heroin into a country, knowng that your mother (aunt?) and sister (cousin?) had just been arrested with 8 kilos of heroin. I live near this area of NJ and I can't find one article about the arrest of Daury Daniel Rodriguez.  Why is there an NJ coverup?  Hudson County is so corrupt, they don't even need coverups.  I am still finding information on Ramona and Lucilla, but absolutley nothing on Daury's arrest.  We did find something saying that he is in Hudson County jail, but there is no other information.  I'm starting to doubt that Daury has any connection at all to Joran, and I am wondering if Daury is someone with whom Patrick has a personal score to settle, completely apart from Joran.  Patrick is a former drug dealer.  The Rodriguez family could be part of the reason why Patrick landed in jail and also why he has had his cheek cut.  I know a few others are also following these Rodriguez names and I think there's something here.  I am wondering a big part of the video was simply Patirck's vindetta.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 18, 2008, 12:15:27 PM
Silverfox…a little lost on your clue, googled, but didn’t help?

Try "Diamond Cartel" -- educational at best...  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2008, 08:03:21 PM
I think that we all have learned not to trust anything based on surface appearances if it involves Natalee Holloway and Aruba.  Having said that, something is driving me crazy. In January, Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada and Lucilla Tejada were both areested, on the same day, in the Bronx and New Jersey, each with 8 kilos of heroin.  In February, the name Daury Rodriguez is revealed on Joran's video as the person who is responsible for disposing of Natalee's body.  Daury has never been a key figure in this investigation and he is suddenly being held responsible for the final act.  Daury denies all involvement, claims he was in Rotterdam, and threatens to sue Joran. In March, Daury arrives in New Jersey to be part of a big poker tournament and he is very quietly arrested for carrying 8 kilos of heroin.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?  Why is the name Daury Rodriguez suddenly being thrown about by Joran?  Why would a drug carrier/dealer with half a brain carry 8 kilos of heroin into a country, knowng that your mother (aunt?) and sister (cousin?) had just been arrested with 8 kilos of heroin. I live near this area of NJ and I can't find one article about the arrest of Daury Daniel Rodriguez.  Why is there an NJ coverup?  Hudson County is so corrupt, they don't even need coverups.  I am still finding information on Ramona and Lucilla, but absolutley nothing on Daury's arrest.  We did find something saying that he is in Hudson County jail, but there is no other information.  I'm starting to doubt that Daury has any connection at all to Joran, and I am wondering if Daury is someone with whom Patrick has a personal score to settle, completely apart from Joran.  Patrick is a former drug dealer.  The Rodriguez family could be part of the reason why Patrick landed in jail and also why he has had his cheek cut.  I know a few others are also following these Rodriguez names and I think there's something here.  I am wondering a big part of the video was simply Patirck's vindetta.

I thought this too SS and ... even posted it.  Three members of Daury's family were detained in January.  If he was also involved ... why would he travel to the US in March for a poker tournament.

Does not make sense.

Janet


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 18, 2008, 08:23:36 PM
I think that we all have learned not to trust anything based on surface appearances if it involves Natalee Holloway and Aruba.  Having said that, something is driving me crazy. In January, Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada and Lucilla Tejada were both areested, on the same day, in the Bronx and New Jersey, each with 8 kilos of heroin.  In February, the name Daury Rodriguez is revealed on Joran's video as the person who is responsible for disposing of Natalee's body.  Daury has never been a key figure in this investigation and he is suddenly being held responsible for the final act.  Daury denies all involvement, claims he was in Rotterdam, and threatens to sue Joran. In March, Daury arrives in New Jersey to be part of a big poker tournament and he is very quietly arrested for carrying 8 kilos of heroin.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture?  Why is the name Daury Rodriguez suddenly being thrown about by Joran?  Why would a drug carrier/dealer with half a brain carry 8 kilos of heroin into a country, knowng that your mother (aunt?) and sister (cousin?) had just been arrested with 8 kilos of heroin. I live near this area of NJ and I can't find one article about the arrest of Daury Daniel Rodriguez.  Why is there an NJ coverup?  Hudson County is so corrupt, they don't even need coverups.  I am still finding information on Ramona and Lucilla, but absolutley nothing on Daury's arrest.  We did find something saying that he is in Hudson County jail, but there is no other information.  I'm starting to doubt that Daury has any connection at all to Joran, and I am wondering if Daury is someone with whom Patrick has a personal score to settle, completely apart from Joran.  Patrick is a former drug dealer.  The Rodriguez family could be part of the reason why Patrick landed in jail and also why he has had his cheek cut.  I know a few others are also following these Rodriguez names and I think there's something here.  I am wondering a big part of the video was simply Patirck's vindetta.

I thought this too SS and ... even posted it.  Three members of Daury's family were detained in January.  If he was also involved ... why would he travel to the US in March for a poker tournament.

Does not make sense.

Janet


Once again, CAPS told us that Daury Daniel Rodriguez traveled to NJ to play poker and was arrested.  He also told us about Ramona being arrested and then we found Lucilla in the Bronx.  We have also found Daniel Rodriguez in Chicago poker tournaments.  I have no doubt that Daury Daniel came to New Jersey to play poker, especially if that is a big source of income for him.  I am wondering, though, if Daury Daniel, Lucilla, and Ramona were somehow set up.  The repeated 8 kilos of herion seems a little too coincidental to me.  Read back in this thread and there are newspaper articles and photographs of some of the confiscated loot.  There is also a picture of Ramona from the Hudson County jail.  For some reason, someone has suddenly made Daury's life very difficult with bad press coverage, relatives arrested, and himself arrested.  8 kilos is a Class A Felony and all of them will be in jail for a very long time.  I would be very surprised if Daury had anything at all to do with Natalee Holloway.  Over the past month or so, I have become very confident in the information that CAPS has given us.  I'm in love, and he's my hero!!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 01:25:24 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.




CAPS,



Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A

Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.



Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 19, 2008, 01:59:57 AM
This may be old news, but this is a blog I found that must be a school assignment from what I've read.
http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html (http://rockinroyalty.blogspot.com/2006/09/introductionhi-my-name-is-hiram.html)

Friday, September 08, 2006

Introduction:


Hi, my name is Hiram Vrolijk, I'm from Aruba and this is my first blog. I never thought that I'll ever be doing one of these, but I guess it's true; never say never. I'm thinking the theme of my blog will be somewhat like a circus. There will be something to interest everyone, something everyone can relate to and most importantly, something that can manage the readers of this blog to understand my thoughts, my feelings, and the points that I'm trying to get accross.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now, some details and information about me. I was born on June 12, 1987. Lived my whole life in Aruba. For any of you guys who don't know where Aruba is, it's an island in the Caribbean, off the coast of Venezuela.

Some interests of mine include movies, music, fashion, nightlife, food, and travel. Basically, the media industry. Hobbies of mine also include some of the same things. I like to sit back and watch movies, hang out. I enjoy listening to most kinds of music, I also like to sing. I have done a couple of musical productions which were successful, but I never really kept on going with it, possibly because some other obstacle got in the way. I think I'm going to try it again.

I have also been in the fashion industry for some time now, fashion has been a part of me since I was very young. My mom is a designer and has greatly influenced me. She has her own business, and is doing quite well. I have modeled for many people and companies down in Aruba, and have been very grateful for all the opportunities. I was recently in a modeling competition, "Aruba Model Search," where out of hundreds of teens who participated, I was down to the top 20 at the main event. As this was also a reality show, every week contestants got kicked off. I worked really hard and was also told by countless people that I was a shoe-in for one of the top 5 spots, but unfortunately that was not the case. There has been tons of rumors, controversy, and scandals surrounding the event and its selections, but I choose not to get sucked in by most of them, although I believe most of them to be true. In December of last year, I was also awarded the first ever Teen Fashionista of the Year award by Focus -- a renowned magazine in Aruba.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am very grateful for all that I have accomplished so far.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My passion in life is to be an influential person in the entertainment industry, whether that be a succesful model or a successful performer. I just hope that my goals in life are reached.

Posted by Hiram Vrolijk at 11:27 AM 




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 02:39:29 AM
Hi monkeys

I was bussy in deep water, diving and found this.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/210501781--SweetiesEscorts--Profile-html

Anyone have any info on this place.

it is operated in the hotel area only.

now it concentrate on the young scene.

Need to help check info.

For those of the Patick van Eem friend, I left a post in the other forum.

the Aruba maze is full of firewalls and walking in it has hidden dangers.....later


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 19, 2008, 02:44:46 AM
Thanks Caps! Glad to see You here.....Take Care of Yourself!  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 05:05:23 AM
texasmom

Interesting Hiram "school" blog.  His English is pretty good.  I don't remember if he went to ISA. I was surprised he posted about a reality show having "hot" girls.....must have been all those modeling photos...lol


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 19, 2008, 07:51:11 AM
Hi monkeys

I was bussy in deep water, diving and found this.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/210501781--SweetiesEscorts--Profile-html

Anyone have any info on this place.

it is operated in the hotel area only.

now it concentrate on the young scene.

Need to help check info.

For those of the Patick van Eem friend, I left a post in the other forum.

the Aruba maze is full of firewalls and walking in it has hidden dangers.....later


http://www.youtube.com/arubasweeties


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 19, 2008, 07:58:25 AM
I found this in Google:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2h8bedz.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:00:41 AM

Here is the full discussion on what I replied to on the NAH thread this morning,and my response. These posts, in my humble opinion still warrant verification or explanation.

The discussion starts here in the last Shango thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1760


« Reply #1764 on: April 10, 2008, 02:41:04 AM » Caps   
 Hi monkeys,My research is going well,
Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C
The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C
Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F
Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time. Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.The strike is now in full swing.

« Reply #1779 on: April 10, 2008, 07:54:06 AM » vms   

The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...


« Reply #1793 on: April 10, 2008, 03:43:05 PM » Caps

VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



« Reply #1794 on: April 10, 2008, 03:49:05 PM » vms
Luis Ramirez is their step-father. The address is listed in the chamber records and also, IIRC, there is a picture of their home where the address (number) is visible.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34963

I don't know about the Bouman person though, Caps.

« Reply #1819 on: April 11, 2008, 06:14:11 AM » MumInOhio

Caps...Can you please tell me where these districts are? Are they in Suriname?Should we be looking at De Veer and the Marriott - Renaissance?  TIA





Tamikosmom…I posted the link and said there was some confusion. On further checking I did not find any clarification on Caps’ post. I apologize for not posting this last night, but do not post regularly at nighr as I am an early riser and my brain and fingers are not in synch at night! Here are the rest of the posts on this subject. On further reading of the thread, Caps did not clarify or elaborate on this at all.

This is precisely the reason for my post in the ‘Shango’ thread earlier in the week, for which I have probably been likened to Hitler’s cousin! I have not been asking any more from Caps, re explanation and verification of his posts, than would have been asked of any other poster on this forum!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: "klaasend"
In August 2005 some how Deepak's stepfather Luis Antonio Ramirez became the owner of the Cyberzone Internet Cafe that Deepak worked in.  We were told by Arubans (yeah right) that no money exchanged hands.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=921.820

Yesterday, Bonsai in an email mentioned it appeared the Cyberzone Cafe was no longer there.  I check the Aruba Chamber and sure enough, it appears the business no longer exists as of March 2007:





Hi Blonde.... this leads back to Angelina Reppas and Giovanni Ponson, discussion in the last thread. Their new business was registered on that date and is to do with gaming supplies.
 The little I have found on Giovanni, he could be related to the Racquet Club Ponsons. His dob makes him a possible brother and it appears the Raquet Club's father, I think, Eric Sr, second name is also not an English sounding name. I have not got any further than that as when you search Ponson nearly all the hits come up on Sir Sidney!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:25:26 AM
Silverfox…a little lost on your clue, googled, but didn’t help?

Try "Diamond Cartel" -- educational at best...  ::MonkeyRoll::


Silverfox......was this the 'C' and de Vries clue?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:31:00 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.




CAPS,



Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A

Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.



Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.






Ribbitt Kermit...7A Catiri....Freddy's apartment, right?

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 3 APRIL 2003 under serial number 30214.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
DVD LAND & CD 
 
Business address CATIRI 7-A, NOORD   
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  DVD LAND & CD 
Date of commencement  1 JUNE 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS;  
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  3 APRIL 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 08:31:17 AM
In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

I never took this as a "modeling" trip.  I thought it was a school trip.  I remember the pictures posted with signs on the display tables.  I thought it was about the United Nations, not modeling.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 08:34:02 AM
Two Freddys??  An old one and a young one??  Both into filming??  It's a small world.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:35:15 AM
I found this in Google:

(http://i25.tinypic.com/2h8bedz.jpg)

Good Morning Pita and Buckeye......Great find once again Pita ...Thanks...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 08:38:20 AM
Two Freddys??  An old one and a young one??  Both into filming??  It's a small world.

Buckeye...That is not all of it...LOL...will see if I can find the posts and post the link...also will need to find Kermit's map of 7A Catiri!...LOL

I thought it was a UN trip as well?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:26:37 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 09:36:14 AM
CAPS

would this be the connection you are looking for:



You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline.
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html
FEb. 26, 2004


Knockout Model Agency




Modeling agencies are used sometimes as fronts for illegal corporations



Guido Wever - model
Kelvin Osmond Hally (bad cops son)    - model
Guido Wever - model
Ernesto (freddy's brother) - model
Hiram - model
Jeffrey Werleman - model


Paul Brough -Send pictures and resumes and a video audition that contains the female modeling
swimwear, evening wear ande club scene outfit to:
 Looking for a 20-30 year old female
_________________________________________________________________

In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

The students were: Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez (one of the pretty girls that Joran had pictured on his webpage before it was removed), Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk.
---------------------------------
They regularly work for Ronchi’s own agency, Knockout Models.
Ronchi de Cuba’s



Contributing Editor Heleen Bongers
(she is buddies with Julia Renfro)




ok this info need to be put in a safety glass.

Perfecto mundo. this is it. they must use these models to make to movies. Will check in the Emule and Donkeys underworld to see what I can find.




CAPS,



Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.

The Lee’s family invites guests to their home in Catiri,

During these decades the coordination of these pageants passed through different organizers however since 1992 Star Promotion, founded by Mr. Atan Lee

Remember I said I think that Knockout Model Agency is a front for something else.
And these pageants seem to have the hoteliers and Chief of Protocol involved.

DVDLand & CD,
Catiri 7-A

Noord
Aruba
It's about 5 minutes from the high rise hotels


from the Bug Tour that leads to Atan Lee House there is this Rental House
which is located in the Malmok area on L.G Smith Blvd., one mile from the high-rise hotels.



Now add to this:
Satish took a camera to Freddy
Joran said in his book they would get a room to have sex and videotape girls.






Ribbitt Kermit...7A Catiri....Freddy's apartment, right?

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 3 APRIL 2003 under serial number 30214.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
DVD LAND & CD 
 
Business address CATIRI 7-A, NOORD   
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  DVD LAND & CD 
Date of commencement  1 JUNE 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS;  
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  3 APRIL 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.




TWO FREDDYS???  OMG   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Great detective work MUM. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 09:39:03 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.




Lala's....When I checked the registry I found I think 13 on Catiri up to the Cs alone. I don't know how many are actual addresses.

Could phoney businesses be a way to launder money?

When I checked on the Frederick Arends, I found a myspace with a family guy with 2 little kids and I don't think he was born in 1959 either. Computer guy and found the place he did his courses.

Not sure what it all means, ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:42:37 AM
SS
There are several of everything on Aruba...thus the concept of a doppleganger. LOL

Two Steves, two Freddys, two Satish, two Lorenzo, two Guidos, seems to me there is only one Joran though.

Could I ask a few questions of you?  Since you are new to posting here (in a sense) who do you think is involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?  Who do you think actually killed her?  How do the Kalpoes fit in here in your opinion?  I don't think I have ever seen your thoughts on this and would really like some feedback. Do you think it is Paulus in the casino video? I am interested in your thoughts and feedback on this and more if you don't mind. TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 09:43:03 AM

Buckeye…you can probably start at the second link, the discussion continued through page 43, this link and I think this was the  last on the discussion at that time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.840

 
« Reply #842 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM »Mum
Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA

Caps
YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.

   
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.760

             
Please take a good look at the map!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1560

« Reply #1562 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM » K ermit


Good Morning SS...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:44:13 AM
Mum
With all the corruption I would think just about every business launders money down there.  Seems that is true of not just the large ones, but I see indications of even the small ones laundering something too...even if it is human flesh.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:50:47 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 09:55:55 AM
Mum
With all the corruption I would think just about every business launders money down there.  Seems that is true of not just the large ones, but I see indications of even the small ones laundering something too...even if it is human flesh.

I think this is why I can't decide which path to follow in deciphering Shango!  Too many things that can fit...Loesge, the mob and the casinos...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:01:10 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.

I agree...It seems that Steve has all the attention of late as the 5th. and before that GVC. Of course I keep throwing Freddy's name in there, but Lorenzo barely gets a mention of late! Not sure why!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.

I agree...It seems that Steve has all the attention of late as the 5th. and before that GVC. Of course I keep throwing Freddy's name in there, but Lorenzo barely gets a mention of late! Not sure why!

Because it doesn't fit the latest mindset on this forum. Our longtime posters with all the info about these people have disappeared and I am certain that makes many happy.  What happened to Paulus being the 5th too?  I thought the 5th and dirtyhand were equated as being the same person.  As I have said before and will continue to say until I am banned from here...context is everything!  What was happening at the time?  What did we know was taking place as opposed to what we want to fit?  Oh well, I will just hang out here on this limb and wait for someone to whack it off.   It's coming...trust me. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:24:18 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.




Lala's......just did a quick check...and guess what I found...

The 2004 link I get the Chamber info from is there, BUT the 2005, 2006, 2007 ARE NOT!!!!

I WONDER WHY???? WHY DID THEY LEAVE THAT PAGE, BUT ALL THE OTHERS ARE PAGE NOT FOUND!!!!!!

This was why I tried to find the source of the 2004 tennis article...I don't trust Aruba!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 19, 2008, 10:25:55 AM

Buckeye…you can probably start at the second link, the discussion continued through page 43, this link and I think this was the  last on the discussion at that time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.840

 
« Reply #842 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM »Mum
Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA

Caps
YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.

   
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.760

             
Please take a good look at the map!


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/CATIRISTREET.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1560

« Reply #1562 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM » K ermit


Good Morning SS...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.




Lala's......just did a quick check...and guess what I found...

The 2004 link I get the Chamber info from is there, BUT the 2005, 2006, 2007 ARE NOT!!!!

I WONDER WHY???? WHY DID THEY LEAVE THAT PAGE, BUT ALL THE OTHERS ARE PAGE NOT FOUND!!!!!!

This was why I tried to find the source of the 2004 tennis article...I don't trust Aruba!


Probably needed to add that there are other links out there, but not in the same format, listing the addresses...again this makes my one brain cell very suspicious!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:31:34 AM

Buckeye…you can probably start at the second link, the discussion continued through page 43, this link and I think this was the  last on the discussion at that time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.840

 
« Reply #842 on: April 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM »Mum
Caps...is this near Joran's?  TIA

Caps
YES, back road drive and you are there... 7 min drive.

   
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.760

             
Please take a good look at the map!


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/CATIRISTREET.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1560

« Reply #1562 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:11 PM » K ermit


Good Morning SS...



Thank You Blonde...One day I will learn to do that! seems I am always too busy chasing posts and links...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 10:38:21 AM
SS
There are several of everything on Aruba...thus the concept of a doppleganger. LOL

Two Steves, two Freddys, two Satish, two Lorenzo, two Guidos, seems to me there is only one Joran though.

Could I ask a few questions of you?  Since you are new to posting here (in a sense) who do you think is involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?  Who do you think actually killed her?  How do the Kalpoes fit in here in your opinion?  I don't think I have ever seen your thoughts on this and would really like some feedback. Do you think it is Paulus in the casino video? I am interested in your thoughts and feedback on this and more if you don't mind. TIA


Hi Mom,

     Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


     I don't really have a conclusive theory about what happened, yet.  I have some definite ideas and I still have some big holes in the scenario that aren't filled.  I do not believe that Joran and the two Kalpoes acted alone.  I do believe that there was a gang rap/video tape that went bad.  The event that evening was planned, in advanced, by the perps - probably after meeting Natalee and her friends at the casino earlier in the day.  Anita was out of town and this was their party night.  I believe that this has happened to other tourists with this group.  I feel that Paulus is up to his eye balls in this.  I think that it is him in the casino tape, I think that he was very likely a part of the gang rape, and I think that he probably was instrumental in orchestrating the disposal.  I think that Steve Croes and Guido Wever were major players in the event.  I don't think that Steve is a friend of Joran's, but they are connected through the drug and video scene.  I think that Lorenzo was involved in the disposal and probably supplied the drugs.  I think that Lorenzo, Steve, and Paulus disposed of Natalee.  I'm not certain about the Kalpoe involvement.  I think that they might have been used by Joran because they had the car to bring her from C&Cs to the final destination.  From that point, I'm not certain, especially of Satish, though Deepak was most likely a participant.  I think that they received instructions and probably some rewards the following day in order to supply specific information to ALE.  Koen and Freddy (which one???) were definitely involved as participants.  I also think that other adult friends of Paulus were part of the scene and I am certain that video taping occurred.  I have not reached a conclusion as to whether Natalee died at a party location or later at the Sloot home.  I don't think that anything happened at the beach.  I think that either Koen or Lorenzo had contact with Natalee earlier in the week.  Probably Lorenzo.  I lean more toward land/pond than ocean disposal of the body.  I think that there are many people involved in this crime and there are many people and families who are being protected.  I believe that the coverup was started because of the major embarrassment that would have resulted to some very important people on the island.  Paulus is not the most important person on the list.  This coverup is not for the sake of Paulus alone.  I do adhere to a lot of what is in the Shango messages.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 19, 2008, 10:39:29 AM
In Nov. of 2004, 6 members of Joran's school (ISA) attended the "South American Model United Nations" in Caracas, Venezuela. (SAMUN)

I never took this as a "modeling" trip.  I thought it was a school trip.  I remember the pictures posted with signs on the display tables.  I thought it was about the United Nations, not modeling.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Exactly, Buckeye.


Model United Nations

This past November 12-17, six students from ISA (Joran and Valentijn van der Sloot, Susana de la Oliva, Larissa Bermudez, Michael Pochettino, and Hiram Vrolijk) attended the South American Model United Nations—SAMUN—in Caracas, Venezuela. The 15th annual SAMUN was a four day simulation/exercise of the United Nations, for international secondary students. ISA represented the country of Norway with the purpose of seeking, through discussion, negotiation and debate, solutions to the various issues that were presented in the conference: human rights, disarmament, and environmental and economic concerns. Delegates from nearly twenty schools came together with the single purpose of seeking solutions and arriving at an understanding of actual conflicts between nations ultimately developing real international cooperation.

On the first day of SAMUN, the students were involved with the Opening Ceremony with local ambassadors followed by opening statements delivered by chosen leaders from each country (ours was delivered by Larissa Bermudez). Over the first two days at the Colegio Internacional de Caracas (CIC), ISA students were involved in roundtable and small group discussions with other international students developing resolutions to the key issues. These resolutions were debated and either passed or rejected by the 300 students present at the conference during the final two days held at the JW Marriott Hotel in Caracas.

Our students had a wonderful experience and we look forward to continued participation with CIC in their future MUN events!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 10:45:42 AM
I forgot GVC.  I'm not sure about him as a participant the night Natalee died, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was Natalee's wild and crazy guy earlier in the week.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 10:46:48 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:55:58 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:58:52 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…


I thought Caps said that Freddy was using an alias or something like that.  I really must go find that quote...I get it wrong every time. Maybe that is what he meant when he said Freddy didn't exist.  Maybe he meant the Freddy in the PV's was not the correct one.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 11:00:23 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…




You're right Mum, it was the tail twister.  Is he the one who owns the video business?  I thought that CAPS was taking us toward Julia as the owner of the video business.  ::MonkeyConfused::


When I read Shango, I am seeing a very sick and twisted group of people that are engaged in horrific acts.  I'm not convinced that everyone in the larger group who we have identified was a participant on that specific night.  I do believe that Natalee's perps are probably part of a larger group that engages in these gambling/video parties with young girls and tourists.  I think that this is what Shango might have been trying to tell us.  I think that a major piece of the coverup is probably to protect the larger group from being exposed, in the event that some of them are exposed for what happened that night to Natalee.  If Natalee's perps start to sing, the members of the larger group will also fall.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:04:39 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.

Lala’s … Both Shango and Simian distance Joran from any guilt and only portray him as a scapegoat.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:07:29 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…


I thought Caps said that Freddy was using an alias or something like that.  I really must go find that quote...I get it wrong every time. Maybe that is what he meant when he said Freddy didn't exist.  Maybe he meant the Freddy in the PV's was not the correct one.


LOL...Posted the link to that discussion on the last page...covers 4 or 5 pages...I am still laughing over those posts.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
Quote SS…« Reply #319 on: Today at 10:38:21 AM »


Didn't CAPS highlight the Arends/Arendz name on the Lions Club Roster a while back?


SS…There was some mention of a Lion Tamer and a Tail Twister and am not sure if this was the Arendz on the Lion’s Club list.

To my recollection Caps has never posted anything on Arends, Max, Freddy or Frederick, but I could be wrong, again…




You're right Mum, it was the tail twister.  Is he the one who owns the video business?  I thought that CAPS was taking us toward Julia as the owner of the video business.  ::MonkeyConfused::


When I read Shango, I am seeing a very sick and twisted group of people that are engaged in horrific acts.  I'm not convinced that everyone in the larger group who we have identified was a participant on that specific night.  I do believe that Natalee's perps are probably part of a larger group that engages in these gambling/video parties with young girls and tourists.  I think that this is what Shango might have been trying to tell us.  I think that a major piece of the coverup is probably to protect the larger group from being exposed, in the event that some of them are exposed for what happened that night to Natalee.  If Natalee's perps start to sing, the members of the larger group will also fall.

SS... .. The guy that owns the DVD Land is the Frederick J. Arends, that is at 7A Catiri, which also has been posted as the address of Freddy's Zedan apartment. Take a good look at the map that Blonde posted ...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 11:27:48 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.

Lala’s … Both Shango and Simian distance Joran from any guilt and only portray him as a scapegoat.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You are correct.  We must not forget that either...Shango only makes him a scapegoat and not the person responsible...just the person that "ran bleating".  I have seen posts that indicate this same thing on various other threads from people in Aruba.  Simian says it is the 5th suspect that "waltzed" away.  Then there is Merian...who implicates the person with the hand on the shoulder to also be involved and who is that?  Your favorite person....Freddy Zedan...whatever his real name is. LOL 

Shango blames the "elder"...dirtyhand...anyone but Joran...I have to keep that in mind.  Also, that could explain why the FP posters raised so many questions when he/she was posting.  Even the Aruban ones had their doubts...but then the massive cover up began and so many of those same people became mute on the subject.  I personally think it is a combination of things, but regardless...Joran is not the innocent that just had a girl die on him and he panicked without knowing why it all happened and what led up to her death.

Other cryptic riddlers  provided different versions although I think some of them knew all along what was what and who was responsible


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 11:29:57 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 11:31:27 AM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


LaLa, in your search for the 5th Suspect:



In a recent press conference the authorities said that they are aware of some rumors that is going on since yesterday night, but they are not confirming them neighter denying them and they are at the point that this case will be resolve soon. And that all the five suspects are deteintI think we will have soon news in the next hours. Posted by: glenda | Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:46 AM


By June 11, 2005 SUSPECTS DETAINED ARE:

June 5, 2005 - Mickey John -  held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.


               Abraham Jones - held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.




June 9, 2005 - Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping








June 13, 2005 - Mickey John released and says Deepak told him they dropped Joran and Natalee at Marriott beach

June 14, 2005 - Abraham Jones released.

June 16, 2005 - Steve Croes goes to police station and is questioned
              - Lorenzo van Rijn questioned by polis
              - Maxiot Arendsz questioned by polis

June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes arrested


une 18, 2005 - Rene van Heyningen murdered
              - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police
              - Sergio Gomez reported missing
June 18, 2005 - Judge Bob Witt ruled Paulus van der Sloot can not visit Joran in jail, but Anita can.



June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police


June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police

June 20, 2005 - Kalpoe's transferred from jail to KIA

June 21, 2005 - Joran transferred from jail to Kia

              - Beth and Greta go to van der Sloots home and have a 90 minute talk

June 23, 2005 - Paulus arrested

June 26, 2006 - Court hearing (Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes and Steve Croes)
              - Paulus released

June 27, 2005 - Steve Croes released

June 28, 2005 - Steve croes meets with his boss and is fired from Tattoo job.

June 29, 2005 - Karin Janssen releases Marianine Croes as spokesperson.
                Jan van der Straaten is moving back to Holland after July 15th


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 11:41:25 AM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.




Good Morning Kermit...Good thought...Paulus' previous job with the contracts has been a sore point with me.

Been searching for info on the Airport ones from 1999 on, but not with much luck. Forward Operating Locations to be exact! Money allocated and appears Aruba is behind! New agreement due in 2010!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 11:45:10 AM
Thanks SS for your response.  I see you have thought this out and come to many of the same conclusions everyone else has.  Yes, Shango/Simian both hinted at nefarious goings on...interesting stuff there.  We have been here for over 2 years working on this stuff and ultimately I fear will be here for a long time to come. It's sad that little of this work will make for arrests or convictions.  I wish we could lock them up and throw away the keys. Natalee deserves justice.



Don't be disheartened.  When I look at the top of each page and see the names of regulars at SM there are always guests reading the page, and many times there are many guests.  I believe that this forum is read by a lot of people.  This list probably includes the perps, ALE, and FBI.  I have to believe that things we research and discover on this thread become part of investigation files.  If nothing else, I think that those actively involved with the investigation read what we have found.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 19, 2008, 01:14:22 PM
Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.


I think this is the house we went to to have dinner when we went on the Kukukunooku... you know the party bus.

If this is the right house, it has a room that is enclosed and we were told the Pope stayed in that room when he was on Aruba. It is closed off with glass from floor to ceiling.

I'm pretty sure this is the same house.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 01:18:51 PM
Kermit….Glenda’s post of June 11th. 2005 reminded me of this…We are back to the question of whether to include the security guards or not, and what about Guido…did Simian know that he would later be implicated? Still wondering why a witness would need permission to go to the Netherlands, as recent events involving Joran show he could have been returned without much trouble!


« Reply #3322 on: March 11, 2008, 02:44:31 PM »


the link is no longer available.

www.nbc4i.com/news/4593143/detail.html

Another Arrest Made In Case Of Missing Ala. Teen
POSTED: 9:38 am EDT June 10, 2005
UPDATED: 9:34 am EDT June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Police in Aruba investigating the disappearance of an Alabama teenager made another arrest early Saturday. It comes just hours after police said one of three men recently arrested admitted "something bad had happened" to Natalee Holloway.

Police aren't commenting on the latest arrest, which was the sixth since Holloway went missing May 30.

Late Friday, one of three young men who took Holloway to the beach during her class trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said.

The three men arrested by Aruban police early Thursday morning had been designated "persons of interest" in the case and were detained soon after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. Police officials questioned the trio, and then released them back to their families.

And more…..

This one from the AP about the same arrest:
By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestad, the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

And then I posted:
OK....I just read that the arrest I posted above was NOT related to Natalee!

Next I posted:
Same arrest....now it didn't happen!

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Saturday, June 11, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba:


Law enforcement officials in Aruba are calling recent reports coming out of the USA in relation to the disappearance of an Alabama teenager as "untrue and misleading." 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

According to US reports, police in Aruba arrested a man on Saturday morning, after one of a trio that was previously held reportedly told police "something bad happened to her".

CNN's 2:00 pm report on Saturday stated that a senior police officer had told them that one of the three men arrested had confessed to killing Halloway.

Aruba police told Caribbean Net News Saturday that they have been engaged in an unsuccessful island-wide search for Holloway, who had come to the island with 124 other students from the USA to celebrate their graduation from Mountain Brook High School.

Caribbean Net News contacted CNN Headline News in Atlanta who said that they have reporters on the ground in Aruba and were adamant that they are sticking by their story.

However, officials in Aruba maintain that no confession was made and there has been no other arrest apart from the five made earlier.

According to one US report, police this morning visited a home on the outskirts of the capital city of Oranjestad and were later seen coming from the house with a young man wearing handcuffs, but the Aruba police have also denied this.

However, police did confirm to Caribbean Net News that, of the arrested trio, two are brothers and hail from Suriname while the other is a 17-year-old Dutchman who is the son of a top member of Aruba's legal circle.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 02:34:28 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 19, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


From the timing here, and going with that line of thinking, it appears that Deepak would be number 5, I think????

Not sure what the different numbers mean and why only Deepak's says 'first statement as a suspect'!

Both the Kalpoes arrest docs are at 5.50 and Joran's at 5.45.

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00
Pages. 15
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Luigi Croes
Description: transcript of interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00 pin
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem & Shaniro Kelly
Responsive to Requests 28, 41, and 47

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
Well, Mum you really put a kink in that one...LOL.  Thanks.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 04:10:12 PM
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (the fifth suspect)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

CNN:
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


[question: over the weekend who was Simian blogging about-who was being questioned at that time? the fifth suspect????]



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 04:13:19 PM
Have we ever decided on a person as the 5th suspect?  I have lost track in all this lately.  We really need some movement in this case..it's going cold fast and furiously.


LaLa, in your search for the 5th Suspect:



In a recent press conference the authorities said that they are aware of some rumors that is going on since yesterday night, but they are not confirming them neighter denying them and they are at the point that this case will be resolve soon. And that all the five suspects are deteintI think we will have soon news in the next hours. Posted by: glenda | Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:46 AM


By June 11, 2005 SUSPECTS DETAINED ARE:

June 5, 2005 - Mickey John -  held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.


               Abraham Jones - held under the suspicion of homicide, accessory to homicide, murder, accessory to murder and kidnapping.




June 9, 2005 - Joran van der Sloot - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Deepak Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping

             - Satish Kalpoe - Suspicion of murder and kidnapping








June 13, 2005 - Mickey John released and says Deepak told him they dropped Joran and Natalee at Marriott beach

June 14, 2005 - Abraham Jones released.

June 16, 2005 - Steve Croes goes to police station and is questioned
              - Lorenzo van Rijn questioned by polis
              - Maxiot Arendsz questioned by polis


June 17, 2005 - Steve Croes arrested


une 18, 2005 - Rene van Heyningen murdered
              - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police
              - Sergio Gomez reported missing
June 18, 2005 - Judge Bob Witt ruled Paulus van der Sloot can not visit Joran in jail, but Anita can.



June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police


June 19, 2005 - Paulus and Anita van der Sloot questioned by police

June 20, 2005 - Kalpoe's transferred from jail to KIA

June 21, 2005 - Joran transferred from jail to Kia

              - Beth and Greta go to van der Sloots home and have a 90 minute talk

June 23, 2005 - Paulus arrested

June 26, 2006 - Court hearing (Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes and Steve Croes)
              - Paulus released

June 27, 2005 - Steve Croes released

June 28, 2005 - Steve croes meets with his boss and is fired from Tattoo job.

June 29, 2005 - Karin Janssen releases Marianine Croes as spokesperson.
                Jan van der Straaten is moving back to Holland after July 15th




Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

CapsLockWizard

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 05:06:02 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.




Lala's:

Who needs the alibi?

Also, I think Simian is attaching motivations, not me. I think he does it to hide the real motivations-which are bad for wampum.....and Simian himself said that he makes his living on the island.

NH voluntarily left-with Joran.......

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking

magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA   (a legal checkmate???)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:29:43 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



The casino video demonstrates Natalee's body language when Paulus tries to engage her in a conversation.
Natalee clearly pulls back - away from him.

LALA MORE FOOD TO CONSIDER:


"of the five people now in custody"
Posted by: Harry | June 24, 2005 02:52 PM

By June 24, 2005 - the FIVE IN CUSTODY WERE:
Mickey Johns
Abraham Jones
Joran
Deepak
Satish


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:32:04 PM
Mum
Just had a thought!  Since we know Aruba isn't in the truth telling business...what is there to prevent any of those business registrations from being falsified?  Just because it says what it says does not make it so in Aruba.

For instance, Kermit has given the address for Freddy as the same as a studio, modeling agency, apartment. I doubt that anyone really checks those registrations for legality at all.



Paulus was in charge of contracts - perhaps he set up business on the island.




Good Morning Kermit...Good thought...Paulus' previous job with the contracts has been a sore point with me.

Been searching for info on the Airport ones from 1999 on, but not with much luck. Forward Operating Locations to be exact! Money allocated and appears Aruba is behind! New agreement due in 2010!

Something else to throw into the mix for you.
Remember Dan at RWV interviewed a friend of van der sloots and he mentions that Paulus travels on business a lot.

A judge-in-training would not travel on business a lot would he?

Seems suspicious to me.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.

No - not according to kermit

I am only putting the information out.

I could change that order:

Abraham Jones
Mickey Johns
Satish
Deepak
Joran

see -

I just posted another regarding the same that the 5 suspects still remain the same by another date.

Interesting eh.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:37:14 PM
Atan Lee's residence
converted to “ The Silvia Residence.”
the beautiful home of Arubas former Chief of Protocol, Mr. Atan Lee.


I think this is the house we went to to have dinner when we went on the Kukukunooku... you know the party bus.

If this is the right house, it has a room that is enclosed and we were told the Pope stayed in that room when he was on Aruba. It is closed off with glass from floor to ceiling.

I'm pretty sure this is the same house.


Yes, you take one of those party buses to the former Chief of Protocol's house.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.


From the timing here, and going with that line of thinking, it appears that Deepak would be number 5, I think????

Not sure what the different numbers mean and why only Deepak's says 'first statement as a suspect'!

Both the Kalpoes arrest docs are at 5.50 and Joran's at 5.45.

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00
Pages. 15
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Luigi Croes
Description: transcript of interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00 pin
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem & Shaniro Kelly
Responsive to Requests 28, 41, and 47

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25


Excellent Mum.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 19, 2008, 05:49:08 PM
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (the fifth suspect)

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

CNN:
Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested after being questioned by police as a witness over the weekend.
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html


[question: over the weekend who was Simian blogging about-who was being questioned at that time? the fifth suspect????]



I am going to go out on a limb here and just say this could possibly have been part of the whole maze of cover-up
to confuse and mis-lead the internet people including SM where this guy posted the information. Keeping in mind that not only did Joran read the websites, he contacted Dan at RWV and I know for a fact that Deepak was reading the SM boards and also Joran was reading bfn, he is still reading boards Guten Tag Herr Joran!

BUT most importantly, the LE were reading/watching these boards and also there were plants on the boards as you all can read back and see the devious lies posted by Scubajap and Glenda way back in the beginning.

So don't just trust EVERYTHING Shango or Simian said. It was part of the LE - crooked cops!







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 05:54:24 PM
According to Kermit the 5th suspect is Satish...only thing that gives me pause is this...

Mickey Johns and Abraham Jones were released June 13, 2005.

Simian's dialogue on the 5th suspect doesn't begin until June 22, 2005.

Steve Croes was arrested June 17, 2005.

Paulus was arrested June 22, 2005.

Simian began posting on the FP of SM on June 17, 2005.

I am just stating what I can observe from the facts that I have at this time...my opinion only for what it's worth.

No - not according to kermit

I am only putting the information out.

I could change that order:

Abraham Jones
Mickey Johns
Satish
Deepak
Joran

see -

I just posted another regarding the same that the 5 suspects still remain the same by another date.

Interesting eh.



I beg your pardon...oh wise one!  You are right I mistyped that...it should have read...According the Kermit's post concerning comments by a poster named Harry. LOL

So sorry to mix your words...never my intention. :2notworthy:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 19, 2008, 05:57:35 PM
Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

CapsLockWizard

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


For this to be true then Kawish's uncle would have to be K2's real father.  Not sure if I buy that yet, need more info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 06:03:08 PM
As I have said often...Shango clearly did not want Joran and the Kalpoes to be blamed for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Yes, it is clear of this intent...to me at least...when he calls Joran the scapegoat...and says he ran bleating...young lambdersloot..that to me is distancing Joran from the actual crime.  It may not be to anyone else, but even Simian says the Kalpoes were told what to say...around the pool...they did not know what happened...who provided escort after the Kalpoes left.  It is obviously a way to remove the 3 perps from the equation.  Merian indicates that Freddy is involved in a manner that suggests...to me again...that Merian wants to distance the perps from the crime or at the least bring another suspect into this in order to distract from the original scenario which I think is the correct one. 

Shango brings us into a world of high stakes gamblers and money laundering and kidnapping and pornography...not what happened during the time Joran and Natalee were in the car with the Kalpoes.  As far as Shango is concerned...it all happened after Natalee was left or taken somewhere.  So is there merit to Shango?  To Simian?  We may never know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
Bringing this over for those that may have missed this in the NAH forum:

CapsLockWizard

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #269 on: Today at 02:46:54 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later


For this to be true then Kawish's uncle would have to be K2's real father.  Not sure if I buy that yet, need more info.

Whew!  Here I was thinking I was the only monkey here that didn't know this.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 06:08:19 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



The casino video demonstrates Natalee's body language when Paulus tries to engage her in a conversation.
Natalee clearly pulls back - away from him.

LALA MORE FOOD TO CONSIDER:


"of the five people now in custody"
Posted by: Harry | June 24, 2005 02:52 PM

By June 24, 2005 - the FIVE IN CUSTODY WERE:
Mickey Johns
Abraham Jones
Joran
Deepak
Satish


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 06:12:38 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 19, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 19, 2008, 08:11:04 PM

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?

and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 19, 2008, 08:17:14 PM
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…

 :wink: 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 19, 2008, 08:33:38 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.



bumping.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:05:00 PM
Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.


Ah yes!  Dear Dr. Hodges.  Still waiting for any of his info to turn out to be true.  That particular email has been discussed at length at SM.  Several of us feel that Deepak did not write that email alone...as in he had help from a Sloot...so if true...would that mean that Dr. Hodges is describing the wrong person and it could in fact be Joran?  His thought printing is about as reliable in some ways as Shango...no offense to him.

Still, what you are saying are the thoughts of many monkeys...the KISS theory of it was the perps and Natalee and they raped her and she either ran from them or fought them to the point that one of them injured her fatally or that she did indeed suffocate during the rape.  This theory has some valid points that could be supported given a few things we do know...

1. Deepak cleaning his car in the wee hours of the morning...maybe to clean vomit or blood or other fluids from his car after the rape.  I would think Natalee's hair would have been in his car or some evidence that she was there...but I think it was clean.
2. The gardener witness that saw Joran, Deepak and some other person in Deepak's car near the Racquet Club.
3. The need for Deepak and Satish to insist they left Joran and Natalee at the beach and went home.
4. The text messaging that went on during that night and Deepak admitting he was trying to confuse the investigation.
5. Satish asking about Natalee..."how's the girl?"
6. Deepak admitting there was something on Natalee to see..."see that chit"

These are just a few of the obvious things that could indicate it's true.  You are not too far off in your thinking from many of the monkeys here. There are just so many scenarios and so little actual facts that we know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on April 19, 2008, 09:05:10 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:08:38 PM

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?

and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested




OMG!!! Finally!! Someone posting something in context to what is being said among the FP posters....I think I may faint...yes...I am going to faint. 

Sorry, for the drama...but it's so rare that anyone ever does this...but me...of course.

 :smt038


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 11:46:28 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 20, 2008, 03:38:13 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 07:28:30 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 09:24:23 AM
Mum - just to confuse matters a little more.  I read the Andrew Hodge's book a few months ago.  My brain felt like swiss cheese when I finished.  He is the one who is a detective from Alabama and was onboard the Persistence.  He also met with the fishermen who lost the trap.  He believes that Natalee died in the car, near the beach, while being raped and suffocated by Joran, Satish, and Deepak.  He has analysed an email that Deepak sent to a friend in the US, based on these thought-prints that he uses.  Dr. Hodge's thinks that Natalee died while Deepak was raping her.


Ah yes!  Dear Dr. Hodges.  Still waiting for any of his info to turn out to be true.  That particular email has been discussed at length at SM.  Several of us feel that Deepak did not write that email alone...as in he had help from a Sloot...so if true...would that mean that Dr. Hodges is describing the wrong person and it could in fact be Joran?  His thought printing is about as reliable in some ways as Shango...no offense to him.

Still, what you are saying are the thoughts of many monkeys...the KISS theory of it was the perps and Natalee and they raped her and she either ran from them or fought them to the point that one of them injured her fatally or that she did indeed suffocate during the rape.  This theory has some valid points that could be supported given a few things we do know...

1. Deepak cleaning his car in the wee hours of the morning...maybe to clean vomit or blood or other fluids from his car after the rape.  I would think Natalee's hair would have been in his car or some evidence that she was there...but I think it was clean.
2. The gardener witness that saw Joran, Deepak and some other person in Deepak's car near the Racquet Club.
3. The need for Deepak and Satish to insist they left Joran and Natalee at the beach and went home.
4. The text messaging that went on during that night and Deepak admitting he was trying to confuse the investigation.
5. Satish asking about Natalee..."how's the girl?"
6. Deepak admitting there was something on Natalee to see..."see that chit"

These are just a few of the obvious things that could indicate it's true.  You are not too far off in your thinking from many of the monkeys here. There are just so many scenarios and so little actual facts that we know.



     The location on the beach and the involvement of just the three boys, minus a rape, closely follows the Patrick video.  There are pieces of it that seem highly plausible to me, but I really don't think that Natalee was attacked by three teenagers in the back seet of a Honda.  Isn't Joran 6'5"?
     I also felt that Dr Hodges did not take into consideration that English for Deepak is a third language and one in which he doesn't have very good writing/grammar skills.  Hodges referred to Deepak's choice of words, syntax, etc.  I thought that his choice of words sounded like English slang that had probably been picked up on the streets. It's most likely the only English he knows.  I don't think it's valid for Deepak's writing to be examined like writing of a native English speaker.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 09:40:11 AM
I have an interesting thought... well to me anyway.

Has anyone considered that Paulus' diploma was faked and so where his grades? I see a passage that seems to be in direct line with this thought. It's in the last page or two.

Remember when Paulus supposedly failed his judge test in March of 05... well, maybe he never even actually took the test and that's what we were told. I would image that before such a test was administered there was a through and complete review of everything Paulus had done or accomplished. Just to double check and make sure that everything was in line and order. It could have been that upon review some inconsistencies were found and the test was yanked. So, he didn't fail, but never took the test - hence - no judgeship.

Normally I would consider someone job history off limits, but Paulus was a formal suspect and this seem to have occurred less than three months prior, and could be a motivating factor as to his behavior.

It's probably not correct, but just thinking how that passage "could" fit Paulus.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.



I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 09:43:00 AM
Good thoughts in here guys! 

Sirensong
According to Shango...and depending on whose interpretation you use...the meanings of those verses can be completely different.  I have no problem with the Mary and lamb interpretations you used...in fact...Caps has offered various forms of that also.  We just have no proof that any of what we think of those verses is indeed the truth.

Colombo
I am almost afraid to say I think I understand you...LOL...yes, it was NOT a game...as you often hint...it was a planned event.  I have given up trying to understand you after all this time...I just wish you would say what you really think. LOL

Caps
What happened to those Dutch owned apartments you talked about early in your writings?  Have you discounted them and moved on the the Lions Den?  What kind of scandal are you referring to that related to the Natalee case?  As far as I know that restaurant and motel was not brought up in our media?  Where did this attention to this place happen?  In Aruba?  Was it reported there?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 09:56:30 AM
I have an interesting thought... well to me anyway.

Has anyone considered that Paulus' diploma was faked and so where his grades? I see a passage that seems to be in direct line with this thought. It's in the last page or two.

Remember when Paulus supposedly failed his judge test in March of 05... well, maybe he never even actually took the test and that's what we were told. I would image that before such a test was administered there was a through and complete review of everything Paulus had done or accomplished. Just to double check and make sure that everything was in line and order. It could have been that upon review some inconsistencies were found and the test was yanked. So, he didn't fail, but never took the test - hence - no judgeship.

Normally I would consider someone job history off limits, but Paulus was a formal suspect and this seem to have occurred less than three months prior, and could be a motivating factor as to his behavior.

It's probably not correct, but just thinking how that passage "could" fit Paulus.

Hmmmmm.  I have often wondered when Paulus told Anita that he failed his judgeship and why?  He did spend a lot of time away from home working on it and then to have failed it all...must have been a blow to the whole family...looking back now...it does not seem to have mattered...something he knew has been very instrumental in keeping everyone out of prison.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 20, 2008, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.



Freddy...strike out 20 times...but on the 21st.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


My thoughts too!  Colombo has never wavered in his opinion about who is his 5th suspect.  The pieces fall into place except for a few things. The only info we have to go on is from Simian...no one else ever talks about a 5th suspect...with Shango there is dirty hand.  Many have said that the 5th suspect and dirty hand are one and the same...not enough to make me believe it yet...still waiting for that proof. 

If Paulus is the 5th suspect I would need to know when was the party?  Was there one at Paulus house that night and who were there (I have thought this out and can fill in blanks here..just can't prove it) that became the alibi for him? The only thing I have seen is the casino video that supposedly has Paulus sitting beside Natalee at the table.   To me, Paulus does not seem like a "cool and crazy" guy.  He seems more like a sick old man looking for a fresh piece of meat for his nightly escapades.  I do not see Natalee interested in him in that video...I only see her being polite.  If she was infatuated with him in any way...why doesn't that show in that video?  I know, I know, some will say it is because that isn't Paulus...yeah right...and that isn't his son he points over to while talking to Natalee either.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
the cool & crazy guy
the fallen "judge"
the father
the fallen elder
a lion(?)

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
the cool & crazy guy
the fallen "judge"
the father
the fallen elder
a lion(?)

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.



Context!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 10:42:33 AM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)





This should have been at the end, not in the middle of the other post.  Sorry!!

I also have a gut feeling that Paulus is probably the 5th, however, something is wrong within the riddle.  Paulus is definitely not a wild or crazy guy from earlier in the week.  This would have to be Steve Croes or Lorenzo as the 5th.  I have thought about Paulus being referred to as a boyfriend.  Maybe he liked Natalee when he met her and wanted the action.  Maybe he was mad that his son got to her first.  Otherwise, he just doesn't fit in the riddle.  He's a crusty old guy.


My thoughts too!  Colombo has never wavered in his opinion about who is his 5th suspect.  The pieces fall into place except for a few things. The only info we have to go on is from Simian...no one else ever talks about a 5th suspect...with Shango there is dirty hand.  Many have said that the 5th suspect and dirty hand are one and the same...not enough to make me believe it yet...still waiting for that proof. 

If Paulus is the 5th suspect I would need to know when was the party?   Was there one at Paulus house that night and who were there (I have thought this out and can fill in blanks here..just can't prove it) that became the alibi for him? The only thing I have seen is the casino video that supposedly has Paulus sitting beside Natalee at the table.   To me, Paulus does not seem like a "cool and crazy" guy.  He seems more like a sick old man looking for a fresh piece of meat for his nightly escapades.  I do not see Natalee interested in him in that video...I only see her being polite.  If she was infatuated with him in any way...why doesn't that show in that video?  I know, I know, some will say it is because that isn't Paulus...yeah right...and that isn't his son he points over to while talking to Natalee either.


I felt that the party CAPS was describing was making more sense than most of what I have read.  I think he was telling us that the gambling/video party was at Matty Apartments, one of several locations where these parties were held.  I think Paulus and some of his friends were there.  Joran arrived with his friends and Natalee.  Maybe Natalee thought she was going to have fun in an after hours Aruban party.  She may have willingly entered the party and then was hit with the drug and raped/video taped.  This would also agree with those who saw her leaving C&Cs fairly sober.  CAPS said it is a 2 hour video.  When Freddy stopped filimng and the party broke up, I think that Paulus/Joran had the responsibility to return Natalee, but at this point there was a problem and something bad had happened.  CAPS came right out and told us that Julia Renfro was there because she is connected to this video business.  CAPS thinks that Natalee is in the pond across the street from Matty Apartments - Manserat. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 20, 2008, 10:45:58 AM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 10:53:02 AM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102


I also read that he had a law degree in Boxell.  I don't know though, if a Dutch law degree is the equivalent of ours.  I do think that the riddle is pointing directly at someone's fake degree or a degree that was acquired through cheating.  Do you suppose that Paulus knows about one of the other top judges having a fake degree, and this might be the power that Paulus holds over some judges?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 10:53:28 AM
This was posted on NAH last night and I noticed how closely this mimicked something I am all to familiar with after 3 years.  I don't know when the articles were posted in the newspapers, but it did catch my eye.  I will just leave it for everyone to decide for themselves what they think. Thanks to VMS for posting this!



vms

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2008, 08:35:18 PM »
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Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch




Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 11:04:20 AM
Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html


I wonder if there is something fraudulant in the original 1979 degree?  It looks like this is the only degree that he has earned.  I guess you don't need a law degree to be a lawyer or judge in Aruba.  It's no wonder that the legal system is so screwed up?  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Before someone can take the BAR exam in the US, they usually have to be checked out.  This includes checking academic degrees and arrest records. I wonder if they found something wrong with the 1979 degree and then didn't make him a judge.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:05:29 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 20, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
This is interesting...of course it is Julia...being quote by Harry...so....

Julia informed Greta that Paulus van der Sloot was sworn in as a lawyer today. He will work for the law firm of Antonio Carlo, Joran's attorney. Julia explained that Paulus was studying for his Aruban law exam as well as a judgeship. While in Aruba, Paulus taught law at the university. He actually has never practiced law in Aruba. He practiced law in the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/01/harrytho_117_na_1.php




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
I keep posting in the wrong thread.

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102

I can see no way to become a judge without a law degree, advanced classes, and a passed test. We all know Rudy is the head of the Justice Dept and no a lawyer...so that would be different... that seems to be an administration job, but sitting in judgment of someone certainly would require all the I's dotted and T's crossed. The Dutch somehow consider themselves the world authority on all matters legal. I see this area probably has very very few loop holes and something they take very seriously.

There's something funny (NOT) about Paulus and when that certain "something" is revealed, it will all make sense.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 11:17:32 AM
SS
There are several flaws in Caps theory that I am trying to get him to work out...as I have said before..don't just take everything as fact.  Simian says that the 5th was at a party at HIS house and it was a a SIMPLE party.  What you just said does not fit that story...that is not a simple party to me.  Lights! Cameras! Action!  Nothing simple about that...that is not a few friends at a home having a drink.

Now, going back to the Matty Apts....this place was the first place rumored to have been the location for a video/rave/sex party.  Dave even suspected it as did others that were investigating.  The evidence that Julia Renfro was ever involved in that particular party does not exist at this time...I would really like to see this since she was given an "all clear" letter on her behalf by none other than Hans Mos.  If that didn't raise any eyebrows it should have...red flags would be an understatement!

Caps has often been all over the place with his theories and they have changed from some of his earlier thoughts, but that does not discount them.  Problem with a theory is that it remains that until proof is shown to support it.  I know, probably better than most here, what Caps thinks about where her body is and how it got there and who put it there.  I also know what Caps thinks about those involved and one thing to realize is that he is working on the Shango verses and trying to tie them into what he can piece  together that appears to fit the verses.  REMEMBER THIS....Shango does not claim that Joran is in any way responsible for the death of Natalee Holloway.  He and the Kalpoes are the method of acquisition only.  They left or were excluded in some way as to distance them from the actual crime...this could be true..which would make the Kalpoes  guilty of just being stupid, but not rape or drugging Natalee.  This doesn't fit what I think at this time. If Joran, as Caps indicated in one of his earliest posts about what he thinks happened, just delivered Natalee and then left (Shango says this too) to wait until they tossed her back to him that does indeed relieve him of the actual rape and subsequent death or at the least just drugging her and she died accidentally.

Don't get me wrong, when and if Caps and all of us can prove his theories I am on board...he has worked very hard on this stuff.  At least he has had the courage to stick his neck out and say some things that we didn't know and make connections for us to so many things we have all wondered about.  Just because we can make it fit into the Shango and Simian verses does mean it will fit the known facts that we have at this time. 

Now, before anyone gets angry at me and thinks I am trying to discredit Caps and his work...think again...I am on his side much to the chagrin of many monkeys.  Someone has to play devil's advocate here in order to obtain some type of perspective.  If we can't answer all the questions and make all the pieces fit what good is all this work that everyone has been doing?  Just thoughts...sorry it is so long. MOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 11:21:17 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

You do know that Finbar will disagree with you?

BTW, please answer me this..what happened to all that other stuff that proved who Simian and Shango really were?  I am not trying to incite a riot, just asking what changed your mind?  Do you still think Gabe is Shango?  Hey, did you know that Caps knows Mr. Burke very well?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:29:07 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

You do know that Finbar will disagree with you?

BTW, please answer me this..what happened to all that other stuff that proved who Simian and Shango really were?  I am not trying to incite a riot, just asking what changed your mind?  Do you still think Gabe is Shango?  Hey, did you know that Caps knows Mr. Burke very well?   ::MonkeyWink::
ahhh... no, because I have not seen it posted here... first time I've heard that.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Anida has all the Shango and Simian stuff, ... when she logs on next time ask her for it. I don't keep stuff like that.

I believe Gabe is some how involved with the use of the internet to dissuade us.  How did Gabe get a 235K dollar house for 1 dollar in Florida? I'd like that deal too.

I have never changed my mind about Gabe... he knows or worked with Shango and probably posted the riddles that were written on Aruba from Florida.

Gabe is some how connected. And it's no wonder he is always trying to get people to look somewhere else.

again, all just my opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 11:35:15 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: Rob on April 20, 2008, 11:44:31 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
SS:
the simple party was the alibi story......"sometimes friends will cover for each other"

if there really was a simple party, why would anybody have to "cover" for anybody?

"the alibi needs to be broken"......how could it be broken if there was really a simple party that included "the important others?"




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 12:00:09 PM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?

"the next day your son was picked up"

does this refer to the day after the disappearance?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 12:05:07 PM
if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.



Wasn't there also a riddle in there saying that he wasn'ton time for school - probably meaning that Paulus was late to his class at the University?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 01:20:36 PM
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In my humble opinion, there is something to the Chemalys. NO ONE WOULD CONTINUE TO EMPLOY JULIA RENFRO IF WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS NOT AN ORDER. No one does what she has done and keeps their job unless someone has demanded you act accordingly.

The motive is right there.


I'm thinking there's something, too.  And there has to be some "order" for her to have gotten a published letter, by Mos himself, that she is not a suspect.


right, why would a non-suspect need released from non-formal status?

wonder if that has to do with the missing hard drives and the screen shots and "hidey hole"?

she is involved to the theeth. she Was there at the tables that night.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 01:27:59 PM
if so:

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.



Wasn't there also a riddle in there saying that he wasn'ton time for school - probably meaning that Paulus was late to his class at the University?

What time would that class have been?  Wasn't he working that morning and had to leave to make his trips to the bank or the area near there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:38:08 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


Shango said something about having to go through the small house to get into the bigger house or something.  I remember reading it.    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:40:52 PM
I wonder if the Lions Den could have been where Natalee was taken.  There were many 'trolls' that wanted to keep that place away from the public speculation.  Also the Indo restaurant.  IIRC, was the whole place redone?  I always found that odd.

Yes, this is a long held theory by many here...it's just that recently we learned how many of these hidden places exist on Aruba...so it could be this particular one..the same one Dave visited and was in the Claussen photos...or...it could be elsewhere.


There is only 2 that operate in thaat fashon. The Whitehouse and the Matty Apartment.
The whitehouse has not change his operational hours

the one that change his operational hours is Matty due to the scandal the owner had with the case of Natalee.

so it is Matty place.

Other places that are used is the caller or requester place. This can be either a Hotel or an Apartment. Matty Charges $25 for 1 hours. while the Whitehouse charges 50.00 Florins for 2 hours

Matty anything goes before incident. Whitehouse policiy has stayed the same. Couples only

the white house has 2 section:

section one where you parked your car infront of the apartment.
Section two where you drive in with the card in the apartments garage. more private. no one will see you.


Matty no one get in without passing trough the VIP club for the keys.

CAPS


A long time ago I googled great house in aruba and it means whitehouse.  I just thought they were mixing something up at the time and never paid much attention to it.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 01:45:31 PM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO


I don't believe Mary was NH either.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
I think Caps claims that "Mary, not a virign" was Julia Renfro.  That would require us to place her in the casino that night and at the "party" as well. She would also be part of Paulus alibi if he is the 5th person.  Still waiting to see this for sure...and I would really like to see this proof...you have no idea how much I would like to see this...it would bring everything full circle and fill in every blank in the story.  It would take down a lot of people...but there is nothing to make that happen now. Especially now that Julia has her 'get out of jail free" letter from the big guy.  What we need now is new evidence. Something or someone to crack it open a little more and let the light shine on the cockroaches causing them to scurry around even more.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb

Mary had a little lamb but it can be confirmed that the song Mary had a little lamb is American as the words were written by Sarah Hale, of Boston, in 1830. An interesting historical note about this rhyme - the words of Mary had a Little Lamb were the first ever recorded by Thomas Edison, on tin foil, on his phonograph.


Mary had a little lamb

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
It made the children laugh and play, to see a lamb at school.
And so the teacher turned it out, but still it lingered near,
And waited patiently about till Mary did appear.
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?" the eager children cry;
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know" the teacher did reply. 

jackb (thought this might trigger a thought.)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb

Mary had a little lamb but it can be confirmed that the song Mary had a little lamb is American as the words were written by Sarah Hale, of Boston, in 1830. An interesting historical note about this rhyme - the words of Mary had a Little Lamb were the first ever recorded by Thomas Edison, on tin foil, on his phonograph.


Mary had a little lamb

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
It made the children laugh and play, to see a lamb at school.
And so the teacher turned it out, but still it lingered near,
And waited patiently about till Mary did appear.
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?" the eager children cry;
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know" the teacher did reply. 

jackb (thought this might trigger a thought.)

NOTE:  TURNED IT OUT.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO


I don't believe Mary was NH either.  Jackb

No, Jackb thinks the 5th suspect is GVC and Palus.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 02:24:40 PM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.

Very little proof...not enough to say this is a fact...can't prove a negative so I guess we are still at the beginning...searching and looking for anything that would make sense.  Steve Croes is related to AG...but I doubt that he is Hendrick, Jr.  Steve Croes lives like a pauper compared to Rudy...if you were close to this family would you allow yourself live like Steve does?  I am not going to continue to argue that point...it is not worth it at all.  If he came out and said Steve Croes is my son, nephew, or anything else what good would that do at this point? The deed is done...Joran has confessed and released everyone of any guilt except himself and Daury.  Now Daury is in custody in USA.

Tylergal has talked about these parties for years now and had much evidence of the dirty old men's club and the goings on. She has a bead on this stuff from the first week.  Little is new in this scenario and it's quite distressing to those of us that want to see justice come to Natalee and her family.  Unless, the FBI steps in and throws us a bone I fear nothing is going to happen.  Oh to find her body or a shoe or some clothing or anything that would ramp up the investigation.  Apparently, Mos could not or would not use any of the evidence DeVries offered him and here we sit...still...waiting and wondering who was Simian and is Shango for real? We should not drink the kool aid just because it is offered in a golden chalice with ice.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 02:27:49 PM
Rob

I'm not sure of the actual requirements to be a judge.  I thought I read that you do not need a law degree. The requirement might just be a recommendation and fulfilling an "apprenticeship".  He did have a reputation in Boxell so I think he was a lawyer and I would think he would need a legit degree to teach.  For all I know, you could be anything and become a judge...he certainly played one long enough.  I never heard Anita add "in training" to any of her statements.  :smt102

Mary had a little lamb but it can be confirmed that the song Mary had a little lamb is American as the words were written by Sarah Hale, of Boston, in 1830. An interesting historical note about this rhyme - the words of Mary had a Little Lamb were the first ever recorded by Thomas Edison, on tin foil, on his phonograph.


Mary had a little lamb

Mary had a little lamb its fleece was white as snow;
And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.
It followed her to school one day, which was against the rule;
It made the children laugh and play, to see a lamb at school.
And so the teacher turned it out, but still it lingered near,
And waited patiently about till Mary did appear.
"Why does the lamb love Mary so?" the eager children cry;
"Why, Mary loves the lamb, you know" the teacher did reply.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on April 20, 2008, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Colombo
I think we know by now that you think the 5th suspect is Paulus.  I am still waiting for the connection to a "cool and crazy" guy that Natalee would be the least interested in being Paulus...he's a dirty old man and I think even Natalee would think that too.  I have tried...but my mind just can't fathom her being interested in him at all...ever.






Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating



I never  believed Mary was Natalee, because  I do not believe in a million years that  she went willingly with Joran to use drugs, gamble, have sex or whatever.    If Mary in this riddle  is Natalee, then  rolling into the maze just means she went to  party  at C&C's (which is  the maze,  or just "nightlife") and the  lions (predators)    were  there  looking for more than just partying.  I  don't think Joran is the  "lamb"  either.   He didn't  run bleating, and he could never be described as a lamb in any way.  I wonder if this is Guido, or someone  else  that went there that  night and  couldn't bring themselves to participate.  Joran WAS  involved, no way was he  the scapegoat.  MHO




"but it WAS NOT a game"
pg 4, "the game"
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

lamb ran bleating afraid to walk through the maze
the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

fires are lit ("light the fires"=turn up the heat as in LE)
but now the lamb is a goat

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

complicity to kidnapping(?)


  I hate to say this, but they may have tried to involve VAL in their games and he ran away.  He would be younger and not probably aware of what really goes on.    jackb

Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 04:46:53 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 04:48:04 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a goat

A sacrifice will be made
to spare the polis
to spare the teepees


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 20, 2008, 05:09:39 PM
I always wondered  what this said, so here is translation:

DVD LAND & CD 
 
Business address CATIRI 7-A, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  DVD LAND & CD 
Date of commencement  1 JUNE 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
ARENDS, FREDERICK JACINTHUS;   
Residing in  CATIRI 7-A, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 27 JANUARY 1959 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  3 APRIL 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET VERKOPEN EN VERHUREN VAN DVD'S EN CD'S.
B. DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- EN ELECTRONISCHE APPARATEN EN ARTIKELEN.
C. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, FOTOGRAFISCH-, EN AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF;
D. HET IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN RECLAME BUREAU;
C. HET ADVISEREN EN VERLENEN VAN DIENSTEN IN VERBAND MET HET VORENSTAANDE. 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

Translation:
 
THE SELLING AND RENT VAN DVD AND CD. B.  DE KLEINHANDEL IN ELECTRISCHE- AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND ARTICLES.  C.  THE EXPLOITING VAN A FILMPRODUKTIE-, VIDEOPRODUKTIE-, PHOTOGRAPHIC, AND AUDIO-, GRAFISCHBEDRIJF; D.  THE IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE EXPLOIT VAN
AN ADVERTISING DESK; C.  THE ADVISING AND GRANT VAN SERVICES IN CONNECTION WITH THE VORENSTAANDE

Interesting, does this mean an actual Van  is involved?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on April 20, 2008, 05:14:37 PM
Nevermind, no it doesn't  mean an actual van.   

I wonder why Jossy is so quiet. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 06:17:14 PM
   CAPS has led us to the pond across from Matty's Apartments, Shango seems to have led us there, and from the beginning there have been hints pointing toward this location.  CAPS says that he gave Tim and John all of this information before they left Aruba.  OE confirmed with photographs that they scanned the bottom of this pond.  OE didn't say whether he saw anything after reviewing the scans.  I feel like we are at a stand still right now.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on with TES?  Should we be out trying to encourage money and contributions for a return to Aruba? I can't help but think that our best direction right now is to check that pond and the other sites that were identified by Peristence.  At least there will be forward movement.  We are going to continue to tread water until we find something in terms of solid evidence or one of the party boys starts to sing.  Sometimes I get so frustrated just thinking of the arrogance that those low lifes have while they are sitting back and watching us.  They know all the details and they are completely off the hook.  It irritates me that Patrick has claimed to have solved the case, but you must wait until his book is published for his answer.  To me, that is outrageous.  This is a tragedy, not a game.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 20, 2008, 06:25:16 PM
   CAPS has led us to the pond across from Matty's Apartments, Shango seems to have led us there, and from the beginning there have been hints pointing toward this location.  CAPS says that he gave Tim and John all of this information before they left Aruba.  OE confirmed with photographs that they scanned the bottom of this pond.  OE didn't say whether he saw anything after reviewing the scans.  I feel like we are at a stand still right now.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on with TES?  Should we be out trying to encourage money and contributions for a return to Aruba? I can't help but think that our best direction right now is to check that pond and the other sites that were identified by Peristence.  At least there will be forward movement.  We are going to continue to tread water until we find something in terms of solid evidence or one of the party boys starts to sing.  Sometimes I get so frustrated just thinking of the arrogance that those low lifes have while they are sitting back and watching us.  They know all the details and they are completely off the hook.  It irritates me that Patrick has claimed to have solved the case, but you must wait until his book is published for his answer.  To me, that is outrageous.  This is a tragedy, not a game.


Hey,there is a strike going on down there!  You need to get your priorities straight.  What are you thinking? LOL

Joking aside, sometimes patience and silence can be a good thing..it could mean that someone is planning something.  Patience grasshopper... :wink:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 20, 2008, 07:30:19 PM
   CAPS has led us to the pond across from Matty's Apartments, Shango seems to have led us there, and from the beginning there have been hints pointing toward this location.  CAPS says that he gave Tim and John all of this information before they left Aruba.  OE confirmed with photographs that they scanned the bottom of this pond.  OE didn't say whether he saw anything after reviewing the scans.  I feel like we are at a stand still right now.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on with TES?  Should we be out trying to encourage money and contributions for a return to Aruba? I can't help but think that our best direction right now is to check that pond and the other sites that were identified by Peristence.  At least there will be forward movement.  We are going to continue to tread water until we find something in terms of solid evidence or one of the party boys starts to sing.  Sometimes I get so frustrated just thinking of the arrogance that those low lifes have while they are sitting back and watching us.  They know all the details and they are completely off the hook.  It irritates me that Patrick has claimed to have solved the case, but you must wait until his book is published for his answer.  To me, that is outrageous.  This is a tragedy, not a game.


Hey,there is a strike going on down there!  You need to get your priorities straight.  What are you thinking? LOL

Joking aside, sometimes patience and silence can be a good thing..it could mean that someone is planning something.  Patience grasshopper... :wink:




You're right, now what could I have been thinking????  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 20, 2008, 07:51:31 PM
Yep....Silence is Golden!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 20, 2008, 07:53:52 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 09:43:43 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 09:46:05 PM
re: goat

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking
DirtyHand is alive and well


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 10:10:20 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?

I am not so sure that Shango called the name sloot or meant the goat as other than a goat.  There has been so many trying to translate the shango sayings they left some of their own in there.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 20, 2008, 10:12:55 PM
The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?

I am not so sure that Shango called the name sloot or meant the goat as other than a goat.  There has been so many trying to translate the shango sayings they left some of their own in there.  j/b


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 10:26:02 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::

If anyone has been a sacrifice here it seems NH is.  She has been the scapegoat of their smear campaign and of the disinformation campaign. 
Lamb der sloot would mean lamb of sloot (if in fact this was said by the real shango.  Could there have been a ritualistic "mirrage" and the lamb was now a goat (or deflowered?)  Just a thought.  jackb.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 20, 2008, 10:34:24 PM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)






Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 20, 2008, 10:50:57 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::

If anyone has been a sacrifice here it seems NH is.  She has been the scapegoat of their smear campaign and of the disinformation campaign. 
Lamb der sloot would mean lamb of sloot (if in fact this was said by the real shango.  Could there have been a ritualistic "mirrage" and the lamb was now a goat (or deflowered?)  Just a thought.  jackb.

The above was just a thought.  Most likely PVs switched places with Joran and did the final disposal with help from connections, etc.  This is such a mess and like I said before.  If they were 100 percent certain and had ( and did possibly have) the evidence.  They would not prosecute because Pvs has so much dirt on the ones covering this up.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 20, 2008, 11:00:44 PM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)

Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on April 20, 2008, 11:17:37 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Thank you for the Shango quote.  I think I'm off track with Satish.  Joran still does not seem like a bleating lamb....he's too hard core.  But maybe one of Joran's brothers..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 20, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.

An interesting concept, indeed...

I have mentioned many times in the past that this entire scandal reminds me of the the Tom Cruise movie, "Eyes Wide Shut" in fact -- In fact it is very eerie if real... Perhaps someone should check to see if the movie's Direcctor/Producer has ever had any ties to Aruba -- perhaps the movie is inspired by the reality of an underworld in Aruba... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 12:39:44 AM
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6750/routehotelsvds2hb0.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 12:40:38 AM
Pita,

Is that information for the Apartment or the hotel?


Caps,

how does the Atlantis apartments fit into the witness?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 04:40:13 AM

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?

and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested




Finngirl…Some of us are at an extreme disadvantage as we weren’t around the forums in the early days. Makes for a lot of catching up. But I do agree with you and Lala’s ‘in context’!

Thanks for digging in the heels.

Thanks
everyone for some really great posts the last few days and really good insight into Shango, Simian and Mirian by our veteran posters.

I guess I had always thought that Simian was legit when he/she was posting early and something happened and changed the entire context of the posts. Now I will have to look at the posts in a whole new light.

I am curious as to the two posts on 6/17 by Simian. Now, what to think of Mirian’s posts? The famous pic? Mirian’s posts about this were mid-July, was there discussion about these posts at the time? Where did Mirian post? Are any of these posts, in context, still around? Did anyone here post with Mirian?

Where does this leave me with Freddy? Not sure? But for sure he was inserted into this case big time, in all the PVs. (If you want to know that, you will have to ask Freddy!)

And then there is Guido – the intern? We know he was an intern at the Racquet Club, is this the same Guido at 19 was an intern at the Holiday Inn? Did Simian ‘know’ he was a suspect early on? Something a little wrong with his arrest almost a year later, and the rumors that surrounded it. No scratches for Guido, a supposed other arrest in the Netherlands that didn’t happen! What about the 24 year old croupier?

GVC’s press statement in early May that he and his Dad threatened to sue Aruba for false detainment? He was still in Aruba in April, looks like that family made a quick exit! He was supposedly questioned earlier, along with his Dad.The arrest of 6/11, that didn’t happen? Lorenzo and Max Arendz on 6/16? Was Freddy a suspect?

Lots to think about. Thanks again everyone, some really great thought provoking posts!








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 05:36:51 AM
I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?

"the next day your son was picked up"

does this refer to the day after the disappearance?


COLUMBO…The picture becomes a lot clearer when you post this way…LOL

For Rob…6/18 -  Zeollas? 6/23 – Charles Croes…IMO

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

Paulus 6/18 PV
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...

PAGE OR PAGES MISSING  

...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of  “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.

Paulus 6/23 PV
A woman with long black hair was continuously talking on her mobile phone. I understood that she was informing the news media in the US to the fact that a girl had gone missing. I briefly talked to Charles CROES who had been driving the mother of the missing girl. He said that he didn't need to know anything more from Joran. He said that he had looked into Joran's eyes and understood from that

HERE THERE IS A SECTION MISSING  

moment we got into the police car after I had shook every ones hands, all except the long black haired woman who was still on the phone. WILLIAMS told me that I should count on the fact they they would want to talk to Joran again. The mother of the girl by that time had already left. At least I did not see her anymore. We were dropped off home by the officers. It was starting to get light.

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.
On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

Joran’s 6/10/2005 PV
To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euros from my father, and also took money from my mother.  And I used my brother's mobile phone without asking for permission, and after that I broke the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is 15 years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 05:40:44 AM
This was posted on NAH last night and I noticed how closely this mimicked something I am all to familiar with after 3 years.  I don't know when the articles were posted in the newspapers, but it did catch my eye.  I will just leave it for everyone to decide for themselves what they think. Thanks to VMS for posting this!



vms

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2008, 08:35:18 PM »
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Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch




Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
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Lala’s……this post appears to be from June 10th., which is very interesting. Also on the same FP one from Gabe Leo. Hmmmm!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 06:06:17 AM
I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


SS….Thanks...Enjoyed your post, but it appears we are on opposite sides of the fence on this one!

JMHO

1.Caps has yet to explain how he switched to the Matty Apartments, after he clearly posted and mapped a different apartment complex in an earlier post. When I asked about the Lion’s Den before, Caps told me NO! Hmmm!

2.Still have not seen anything to prove that Steve is related to Rudy, and IIRC in Caps’ last post on Rudy and Hendrick he did not even have them as brothers! That being said…everyone on Aruba is related somewhere down the line.  I do not see Steve as an organizer here…and if he was one of ‘the Croes’ I can’t see them throwing him under the bus and him spending time in jail

3.Guido…see my earlier post to Finngirl.

4.Julia – Still haven’t worked out where Caps came up with The News waaaayyy back in the first thread, but I don’t believe she was there. Have some thoughts on Julia and her letter from Mos, but need to think it through a little more.

5.Not sure how Caps came up with Briezon, would not be surprised after the pics we’ve seen, but just not sure he was there that night.

quote
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


This would take us back to the Loesge and Aristotle posts, which I think are a definite possibility.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 06:30:57 AM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)

Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   



Kermit keeps leading me back to the Racquet Club....

I could not find anything on Michael Rock at the Marriott?

http://www.amararesort.com/about-amara/general-manager/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 06:45:17 AM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat?  ::MonkeyWink::




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Thank you for the Shango quote.  I think I'm off track with Satish.  Joran still does not seem like a bleating lamb....he's too hard core.  But maybe one of Joran's brothers..




Hi Puzzler…Val is the one I am suspicious of as Paulus mainly mentions Sebastian, and IIRC, the cell phone that was found just recently belonged to Val, according to Anita. I wonder just when Joran broke the chip in Val’s phone. Paulus and Anita shipped both Val and Sebastian of to the States around June 15th, the day of the search and as I understand it, before the search.

I have been meaning to post this for a while, and I need to find the post…LOL…I saved it, so it is on my computer somewhere!

Not sure if it was Scuba, Glenda/Bondia that replied to a post about ‘pimps’ of all ages in a certain pic. Whom ever it was, replied that it was normal for peeps from young teens to men of 28 to 30 to hang out together.

My immediate thoughts on the post, at the time, were Val, Sander and the likes of Max Arendz and Lorenzo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 07:24:18 AM
Pita,

Is that information for the Apartment or the hotel?


Caps,

how does the Atlantis apartments fit into the witness?



Kermit, the hotel in Aruba located in Noord.  I just noticed you were asking for info on the apartments in Curacao.   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 07:29:58 AM
Hi Mum,

Thanks for the quotes above. Ya know, it's probably true that Valentijn and Sebastian were on Aruba then and Widget the Midget had it wrong. It really makes me shake my head and wonder what the heck Anita was thinking leaving her kids on Aruba alone if Paulus was in fact with her. It's probable that Sebastian was at the Zeolla's, but where was Valentijn? I have seen no accounts of where he stayed and cringe at the fact that the Sloots could have left Joran and Valentijn alone. That's a frightening thought. I would image that JQK and the KLPD have certainly ascertained the exact whereabouts of Paulus and Valentijn. So, the ALE / KLPD must consider Valentijn a possible candidate to have driven the car or they would not have asked about him. He must have passed the test to established him actually being on Aruba.

From the above quotes, it's apparent why the Sloot's cars were confiscated. But at this time I have no idea and apparently either do they, who drove one or both of the cars. Could have been Paulus, Joran or Valentijn. Anyone drive a car. We all were kids once and saw our parents go through the steps to drive a car. Now, a kid might not have the experience to drive the car well, but knows the steps to get it all going.

My grandfather was driving at age 11 in a model something or other that had a "K" shift. He used to love to tell that story. Back in those days I don't think you needed a driver's license, just a car.

I guess it's also possible that the Sloots put the maid in charge even though she worked part time. Just seems irresponsible, but that's the Sloots for ya, so it "could" make sense.

With Valentijn's questioning at the end of last year, I would say he would NOW be a suspicious character, but not necessarily a suspect. His whereabouts need to be clarified in my opinion. Anyone else?

So, someone drove one or both of the car judging by the line of questioning, but who? Instead of two potentials, you would now have three and adding another player just makes the water more murky.

Just to note, we would now have another Sloot without any time-line. Paulus and Valentijn.

I wonder what happens to the Shango riddle when you insert Valentijn in areas overlooked before?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 07:33:12 AM
Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 08:52:38 AM
Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Good Morning Pita...I am not sure what Kermit was asking about as he said a half mile from the Racquet Club and I assumed Aruba...maybe I need more coffee!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 09:14:58 AM
Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Good Morning Pita...I am not sure what Kermit was asking about as he said a half mile from the Racquet Club and I assumed Aruba...maybe I need more coffee!

Me neither, that's why I originally posted the info for the Atlantis Hotel in Noord.  That one is near the Racquet Club.    :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 09:39:55 AM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 09:53:49 AM
The idea to call in Deep Sea Divers was suggested to Aruba's PM by Mr. Miller of the Texas Equusearch.

There's a container that seems to be holding what looks like a body that was detected by the sonar equipment.

Besides that, did you know that the persons who abducted and killed Mr. Miller's daughter were never found, never brought to justice?
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 08:54 AM



mc:

Prostitution is regulated and controlled by the Government. Girls are checked every week by doctors and need to test every week. They are only allowed to practice for 3 months. They are always free to leave before those 3 months and are guaranteed that right.

Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Arubans are also disgusted with drugs being sold on the beaches. However, half of the problem is that tourists demand it. Regretfuly, if there is a demand than someone will provide.

Suspected corruption. By whom?

Money laundering. There are all sorts of treaties and special task forces and joint efforts with US and The Netherlands to fight that. All of it being paid Aruban taxes. Any Aruban who makes a deposit of a little more than AWG. 20,000.00 (a little more than US$ 10,000.00 needs to fill out a form declaring the source of funds. That is standard procedure in all banks. All this information is than gathered and shared with oiur nice partners in the US and Europe when they need it.

Underage drinking? There is no underage drinking. At 16 you can buy a beer and cigarettes. It is not underage! Those are OUR laws. If someone were to be 15 in Aruba and order a beer, THAT would be underage. A bar/café/restaurant/nightclub can decide on their own if they are going to have a minimum age or not as long as it is not under 15. They might decide to make it 18.

If you are 18 you can vote and you are obligated to enlist for the Dutch Marines. If you can decide the fate of your country and be asked to die for it...you should be able to order a beer and smoke a cigarette.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM



Jen:

I completely agree.

Although it is very sad that someone is missed by their loved ones. It is still very true that the Dutch, European and Caribbean, are questioning whether the same will be done for their children.

There's a certain tone of ingratitude from the part of the victims. That is what Arubans feel. They also question the investigation and what not. What they do not question is that the island has done all that it can and has allowed all American agencies to assist.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:23 AM



Hopefloats:

Is has to be about money. That is why FOX and CNN are exploiting this. That is why Greta is doing her show from Aruba. It is not a public service. They are selling ads. They test audiences. Would you rather hear the story about the war in Iraq or the story of a mystery in an island Paradise?

To make it more interesting the news networks will strectch the truth as far as it can go. It is not that Arubans do not know that. Community and business leaders in Aruba are educated in the US and Europe, so it is not that we do not know how things fucntion in other societies. All of them are in awe of the twisting of truths that cable news is giving to not only the case, but also the island's reputation. On the other hand the NBC, CBS and ABC have been reporting in a completely different tone.

If Aruba were so low and dirty. How come so many American multi-nationals are established on the island? How come the US Immigration and Customs has one of the largest pre-clearance installations outside of the US borders? How come the US is building a major Forward Operating Location for their miliraty operations?

There is no anti-American sentiment on the island. Americans have been investing and have been part of Aruba fabric of society since 1929. The one person who shouted "Americans go home!" during the protest was an American lady herself who has been living on the island for many years.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:36 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 09:57:17 AM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Good Morning vms...Thanks...I will try and find some threads here first!

Found this and just had to post, even if it is not what Kermit wanted...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts

To: Froufrou
There is a common element between the "Old Hotel", The Atlantis that Equusearch searched yesterday: it's Owner
and the Owner of the"old Hilton" Wyndham:*Alfonso Riverol*

Appears that Riverol might be bankrolling the Atlantis' Owner,
among other things:

Also Beth, Jug & Equusearch were all staying at the Wyndham (FWIW)

EquuSearch; Dog Teams & Searchers Go To the Atlantis
August 1st, 2005
EquuSearch was notified this morning of a potential place of interest located in the area known as ****the old Atlantis Hotel****. The Atlantis is basically an old run down hotel and abandoned for at least 15 years. Three dog teams searched the many buildings and underground pool areas of the area.
Other camera equipment was brought in as well to search the more difficult to get to places.After about two hours of dealing with the dangerous environment, wasps and bats the searchonly found a plastic bag with a dead animal in it.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Diario Diamars, 12 Juli, 2005
(Jossy Mansuers Newspaper)
FRODIGAL SON. Sergio Duarte is back on the island. Fifteen years ago when ****Atlantis Hotel*** was conceived and built by the Duarte family Sergio lived here and had a good time, chasing chicks, waterskiing, night-clubbing. Later the project got into trouble, fell into a state of despair, and was quagmired in the courts. Over the years a number of personal and business losses – Sergio’s beautiful sister lost her life in a tragic car accident at the then dangerous airport junction – humbled and quieted the man. He is today happily married raising two beautiful boys and hoping to return to Aruba and revive Atlantis. The trouble, he says is over, the government has been paid and most issues settled. I bumped into Sergio at Lounge Rouge, Texas de Brazil, accompanying business man ****Alfonso Riverol**** and a pair of glamorous women. Some things don’t change . . .

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

COMPANY: ARUBA HOTEL ENTERPRISES N.V. ****WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT
CONTACT:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alfonso Riverol
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
TITLE: President
PHONE: 297-586-4466 ext:3800
FAX: +297-586-4987
EMAIL: alrivest@aol.com
WEBSITE:
ADDRESS: J.E. Irausquin Blvd. #77 Palm Beach ARUBA



50 posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:00:44 AM by bolta_lightnin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
Natalee was an adult. She can serve in the militay, she can vote. She should be able to have a drink. She is responsible for her own actions. Mother's will love their children, but at some point they have to let them into the world.

I resent the comment that Aruba has some sort of legal system that is beneath the American one. That is just ignorance.

Aruba like any other nightclub in Miami caters to the needs of tourists. It is not like Aruba invented it. As a matter of fact Aruba used to cater to specifically to the Tri-State area and usually to 40 and over couples.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Monday, July 11, 2005 at 11:07 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_21.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 10:40:31 AM
Vms...sorry I got called away...Thank you so much...I don't think I have ever read around that time at RWV! Read the early threads and then just picked specific dates depending on what I was looking for...once again Thanks!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 12:05:21 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
snipped
Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Hi Mum,

Thanks for the quotes above. Ya know, it's probably true that Valentijn and Sebastian were on Aruba then and Widget the Midget had it wrong. It really makes me shake my head and wonder what the heck Anita was thinking leaving her kids on Aruba alone if Paulus was in fact with her. It's probable that Sebastian was at the Zeolla's, but where was Valentijn? I have seen no accounts of where he stayed and cringe at the fact that the Sloots could have left Joran and Valentijn alone. That's a frightening thought. I would image that JQK and the KLPD have certainly ascertained the exact whereabouts of Paulus and Valentijn. So, the ALE / KLPD must consider Valentijn a possible candidate to have driven the car or they would not have asked about him. He must have passed the test to established him actually being on Aruba.

From the above quotes, it's apparent why the Sloot's cars were confiscated. But at this time I have no idea and apparently either do they, who drove one or both of the cars. Could have been Paulus, Joran or Valentijn. Anyone drive a car. We all were kids once and saw our parents go through the steps to drive a car. Now, a kid might not have the experience to drive the car well, but knows the steps to get it all going.

My grandfather was driving at age 11 in a model something or other that had a "K" shift. He used to love to tell that story. Back in those days I don't think you needed a driver's license, just a car.

I guess it's also possible that the Sloots put the maid in charge even though she worked part time. Just seems irresponsible, but that's the Sloots for ya, so it "could" make sense.

With Valentijn's questioning at the end of last year, I would say he would NOW be a suspicious character, but not necessarily a suspect. His whereabouts need to be clarified in my opinion. Anyone else?

So, someone drove one or both of the car judging by the line of questioning, but who? Instead of two potentials, you would now have three and adding another player just makes the water more murky.

Just to note, we would now have another Sloot without any time-line. Paulus and Valentijn.

I wonder what happens to the Shango riddle when you insert Valentijn in areas overlooked before?


Lots of questions about this Rob….Here’s some of mine…LOL…may want to take some Tylenol!

I don’t know if Anita would have pulled the kids out of school. Joran said the entire family went to the Netherlands every other summer. If they all went the year before, then it would make sense for Anita to go alone.

And I mean alone…Paulus had just got back from there. I don’t believe he went.

The maid…Joran said in one of the PVs that she was there I think on the Monday after school when he got home. Well whatever day it was, it was not a day she put down as working the afternoon in her PV. So either Joran didn’t go to school and saw her in the morning that day, or she was there all day, or at least until Paulus got home.

Interesting that she was interviewed for the third time on August 11th. and that is around the time the ‘sleepover’ alibi story was beginning to be posted about. First it was little Max(Arends) and then Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis (aka Arends)!

And then…there is the ‘other car’ … the grey one (Toyota?) at the back of Freddy’s house, that doesn’t even have to be Freddy’s just because a pic was taken with it there – that looks a lot like the one that Paulus? was driving in the Arubabay videos. Early rumors when Freddy was arrested were that it was because of  the car! Coincidently Freddy was questioned the same day as a woman about a grey Toyota and she showed a location.

Lots of questions…sorry answers in the PVs about who drove what type of vehicle…never did see what Freddy drove!

Got to go back and read a whole lot with a different perspective, take a look at Val and a good look at His Lordship!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 21, 2008, 01:06:35 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
snipped
Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 21, 2008, 01:49:24 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
snipped
Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Thanks Hotping...had some of that saved in my notes that he was the money laundering expert! Will have to check later and see if it the same document and read it all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 01:57:16 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
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Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Thanks Hotping...had some of that saved in my notes that he was the money laundering expert! Will have to check later and see if it the same document and read it all.

Such a convenient way to circumvent the law. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 21, 2008, 02:18:13 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
Those posts are from RWV.  Both Klaas and I have been trying to find even one post that is here on this forum, archives or FP for a while now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.

IIRC, Merian began posting here, in the forum, in July, '05. The first post I remember was posted in the thread some front pagers created. Not on the front page of SM but in a thread some members created just after SM opend the forum for us. I can't remember exactly what the name of that thread was named now > Front page something. Merian then moved to the codetalker's area of the forum...

Not sure if I am making sense at all.  ::MonkeyConfused::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 21, 2008, 02:52:35 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.

IIRC, Merian began posting here, in the forum, in July, '05. The first post I remember was posted in the thread some front pagers created. Not on the front page of SM but in a thread some members created just after SM opend the forum for us. I can't remember exactly what the name of that thread was named now > Front page something. Merian then moved to the codetalker's area of the forum...

Not sure if I am making sense at all.  ::MonkeyConfused::



Archives from July, 05 until sometime in 2006 are gone....that's what I was trying to say, earlier.  I know some comments are also missing on the FP, because at one point on this new format, I asked Dugga (don't remember the specifics, now) and he confirmed that was the case. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 21, 2008, 03:00:46 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

Klass has some posted here.
I don't know Anything about them.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.0


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:08:56 PM
The Merian posts everyone has are the same ones from RWV.  Klaas has told me that she can not find any that were posted originally here on Scared Monkeys.  All she has found are from RWV and she does not have the ability to check the IP addy on any of those posts.  The only thing she can check would be the email addresses.  That is why it's important to find those that were posted here if any were at all. I have looked all over trying to find just one post from Merian Ernest in this forum...I have never found one..that is why it caught my attention.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:13:11 PM
That last post may not have made any sense...sorry.  What I am trying to say is what is needed is a post made for the first time by Merian at SM.  The code talkers brought those posts over as I have been told...doesn't mean it's correct..was told that by someone that was there at the time.  The only posts we have that were made are from what was posted by Merian at RWV and moved here when they created the code talkers thread.  I too, always thought that I had read posts by Merian that were original to this forum..but I have been told that is not the case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:17:16 PM
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
Merian posted here at SM. The posts were not moved here. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Merian posted here at SM. The posts were not moved here. 

Klaas says that is not true...those posts that are posted in the Merian Ernest section came from RWV.  I am only telling you what she has told me...I do not know if it is true.  I will check to make sure. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
Maybe what Klaas means is that they are not longer available and can't be traced to the IP or something like that...I am asking for clarification...I would really like to find them and let her check for us.  Thanks again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:33:32 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:35:16 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.

also checked all the yahoo, hotmail, gmail, setar accounts and nothing there either.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 21, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

If archives are gone from July, 2005 through early 2006, then any possibility to find posts by merian ernest or even myself during that period would be impossible.  You could say that I didn't post here during that timeframe, which would not be true.   W....I'm done...repeated same info in 3 posts, now...

Rob, I saw those links when searching earlier....King Kong...big monkey, hehe?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:40:16 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.

We just assumed back then that he used the Morse Code conversion online. Same way we decoded it back to the written word when he posted it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:40:23 PM
I am thinking those posts were part of the fatal crash we had here and can no longer be found...what a shame too..that would have been really great to have them and then we would know for sure about them being the same person as Simian.  I am hoping Klaas will clarify this for me shortly.  VMS, I think you are correct and they are irretrievable at this time or maybe for ever.  I was under the impression that Klaas said the emails were the same, but she could not check the IP due to them being from another site. Sorry for my confusion...all this code talking keeps me confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:42:34 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...

thanks vms...  :salut:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 03:44:25 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...

I have that morse code thingy someplace translated.  Darn it! I know it's here somewhere.  BTW are we thinking this person is male or female?  I am trying to figure out why Freddy seemed so important to Merian.  If Merian and Simian are the same person then that means that Simian could have also been talking about Freddy being the 5th person, as Mum has suggested.  I was just trying to make the pieces fit...sorry for the confusion..slinking back to my corner again.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:44:47 PM
I believe that person also posted here, but I could be wrong.

I'm trying to see what I can find on that person and so far - not much. I do know that he / she does knows Morse Code. That's a huge clue, but I'm not having much luck searching for anything that links either the name or the ability to use Morse Code so far....

I have found a drag car called King Kong IV on Curacao and it raced against a car from Aruba. I have searched the guy's name - Johannes De Boer - nothing yet to link anything.

We just assumed back then that he used the Morse Code conversion online. Same way we decoded it back to the written word when he posted it.

it's certainly possible, but out of the millions of posts and thousands of posters, he / she is the only one to use that format... it's interesting none the less.

and the message was surely bizarre, but hey, what isn't??? LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:46:25 PM
If they were posted at RWV, (with the exception of the ones I posted this AM) they were copied from SM, posted at RWV, then reposted here.

Rob just illustrated why he chose the name Merian Ernest. He was posting with monkeys. We knew that back then also...

thanks vms...  :salut:



I had all his posts in a word doc but lost them in a hard drive crash. I know DaninTx had that doc, if anyone still communicates with him. I've emailed another former codetalker I still talk to. She may have it. We'll see...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-



ELPADRE
...OOSANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVE.-...ED


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:51:42 PM
Here is that code.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


post before - 4 day gap between posts.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Close...
The Palace has rules. The cowboys need to understand this. They have to wait for the Babylonians to open the coker.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

The whisperer in the line, now.

post after

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 03:56:17 PM
Robert Heinlein bio - this might be who he / she is referring. I believe this is the right person.

http://members.aol.com/agplusone/robert_a._heinlein_a_biogr.htm


quote from bio site
Quote
"Life-Line" turned out very nearly perfect in terms of story structure and prosodic technique and a classical tragedy of a man who is martyred for Truth, his downfall bought about (with some slight misdirection) by his own tragic flaw. It was, by the standards of a later day, somewhat stiff, but Heinlein recognized that it was head-and- shoulders above the usual offerings of Thrilling Wonder Stories, so he sent it instead to John W. Campbell, Jr., at Astounding Science-Fiction.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 04:02:52 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-



ELPADRE
...OOSANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVE.-...ED
. .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. . ... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


. .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .  ... --- --- -. .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .. .-.. . -..

top code Merian - bottom code is the way it should appear. Minor differences and vms is probably right that it went thru a translator and it made some mistakes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:15:54 PM
Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

Merian posted here. at SM on the boards. I remember it quite well.

HERE IS DAN IN TEXAS' ANALYSIS OF THE POSTS BY MERIAN ERNEST.


Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: This yellowhammer has flown her own course
The Babylonians' hands are tied. The owners of the hammer and the block will come down hard. The hours in the glass are 72.

The girl was carried by the Carib on a trip to the Canal. She was swept away on her own. So they seem to think.

The Picaros are too busy to pull off such a job. It is beyond there scope.

The one crowned with laurels has been turned inside and out. He even asked for forgiveness.

This yellowhammer has flown her own course.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

I have seen too many claims of cover-up with no basis at all. The boy's father is just a judicial official and is not anybody important to that degree that the prosecutor's office is goig to risk it all to protect. Too many people involved. That is just stupid. The Arubans in the office will gladly hang a Dutchman to make this go away. The thing is that they can't.

The facts remains: there is no leading evidence, there is no crime scene, there is no corpus delicti, there is no crime. Simple. What if this boy is innocent? What if she stumbled drunk into the ocean, swan out too far and drowned? That would be the simplest explanation. Is the American media creating another Richard Jewel?

All Arubans are asking is for everybody to respect our laws. Respect our Dutch/European system that is older than most in the world. If a judge decides on a case, it must be respected. You can always appeal.

As to our tourism. It is as important to us as the American Media is to the corporations who cash in on them. Aruba will survive. Sensible Americans know better. The too many American multi-nationals who have their money invested in us will see to that.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: Respect our laws...
All Arubans are saying is to respect our laws. If Jug and Beth have so much proof than maybe they should be questioned. Calling people criminals without evidence is a against the law in itself. A mother's intituition will not hold up in court.


On another note: the FBI has been in this since DAY 1. Since DAY 1. Since before 24 hours have passed of the disappearence.

Has anybody around here stopped to think that the girl may have gone swimming? Drunk as she was, she went out too far and was swept away by the current. That is not even that difficult to imagine. It is certainly much easier than trying to convict a boy with no leading evidence, no crime scene and no corpus delicti. Innocent until proven guilty.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: Not true...
Sorry miamiMD. That is not true. Unlike other parts of the world we do not put victims on trial in the Aruba/Dutch system.



The only question that must be asked is: was there a crime?

That is it. The calls made between the Kalpoes and Joran only substantiate the brothers' claims. They just gave Joran and his girlfriend a ride. The two were necking in the backseat and the older Kalpoe said he didn't find that cool.

Joran has testified that he did have sex with Natalee on the beach and that he left her there. He walked home and got there in 40 minutes. Which also coincides with his logging on his computer and the distance it takes to get to his house.

This has all been reported in the news in Aruba.

For some reason the mother claims the girl is/was a virgin. and she didn't drink either. All other accounts state the opposite.

What is wrong?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: The hand that feeds...
If you would do your research correctly you will see that 90% of the hotels are owned by American multi-nationals. So the hand actually feeds itself.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: Not even...
Not even an American kid lost in the Bible Belt will get this much coverage. That is also very sad.

How does anybody know a crime has been committed?

Why did Joran lie? Maybe because he didn't want his parents to know he left the house without their consent?

If Beth and Jug have all this proof they should present it to authorities. If they have evidence of a cover-up they shold present to the Interpol.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject: Warning?
A travel warning? For what?

For accidental drowning, because that is the most reasonable explanation until now. she was drunk and/or stoned went for a swim, went too far and got swept away by the current. Has anybody in here considered that? It doesn't seem like it can even be proven that a crime was committed.

By the way, as persuasive as the Holloways might be, Aruba is basically owned by American multi-national companies. They will protect their investment. The Americans need the Americans to keep coming to Aruba so everybody can keep making money.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: DAY 1
The FBI has been in Aruba since DAY 1. Less than 24 hours after the girl went missing. Usually when an person older than 18 goes missing, the Police have to wait 48 hours before taking any action.

Aruba has agreed to ANYTHING the Holloways suggested. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. Going to the BRINK of jurisdiction, which could play in favor of the defendant should the case ever go to trial.

The American media has turned this in sensationalist story that is hurting everybody.

I hope the average American can get things moving in their own country to find their lost kids.

Everybody must start considering that this girl is not in Aruba anymore.



Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: This is like shooting a fly with a cannon!
What do you people don't understand?

Nothing has been found yet. Nothing. This is like shooting a fly with a cannon! F-16's, Texas Equusearch, Navy Deep Sea Divers, Dutch Marines, US Senator, Dutch Embassador and what's next? Satellite photos?

The girl can't be found. There is no leading evidence. There isn't. Has anybody thought that this must be analyzed in a new light? Maybe the boy is innocent. As a matter of fact that is the premise. Innocent until proven guilty.

As for those who make my island to be something it is not, I hope that one day you can come take a look for yourself and than form your opinion. Maybe you should ask the CNN and Fox teams, they seam to be having a great time.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: Our problem is with the networks...
I did not really agree with the idea of protesting either. However, the intention was to let the cable news networks know that we feel they are slandering the name of the island by twisting the truths about this case. It had nothing to do with the Holloways. As a matter of fact the only person who cried "Americans go home!" was an American lady herself who has been living in Aruba and raised her children here. She was very emotional.

The networks are making it seem as though Aruba, its government, its Police Force, its businesses and its people are hardly doing enough to find Natalee. All of the Holloway family's needs are taken care of by local businesses. We embraced them and we let them know we feel their pain. We did not ask for anything in return. Not even respect.

No Aruban is slandering Natalee in the local papers, radio or TV, we do not even get a chance on CNN to properly explain our laws and system. The networks get North American "experts" to criticize our system as opposed to explaining it. My people are made to look like fools by the media, while failing to mention that all our professionals are educated in the US and Europe.

They accuse us of allowing underage drinking. We do not allow underage drinking. Our laws are different, because we have a different society. If you are 18 in Aruba you are of age and responsible for your own acts. You are allowed to vote and are obligated to join the Dutch Marines. So our lawmakers feel that if you are allowed to decide you country's fate and are asked to die for it, you should be able to order a beer and smoke a cigarette. To put things in perspective. In the US you are allowed to drive at 16. In Aruba you have to wait until you are 18. Nobody claims you are allowing underage driving.

If you could have followed this from the perspective of people on the island you would know that the truth is completely different. I can hear the F-16's flying over my house the whole day. Did you know that any loved one of mine will not get the treatment if they were lost in Aruba?

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: Matthew
Matthew is an ordinary criminal. Sentenced as such for battery and a slew of other crimes. Left one man crippled for life. Look it up in Aruban newspapers.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: Get it right...


With leading evidence and a confession there can be a case without a body...

Karen Janssen herself prosecuted a case like that in The Netherlands.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: Tuesdays have no character
All along the guards cried. The checkmate was a joke. The boy is a foul mouthed fool.

The elder drags his feet on the pavement. A shadow of his former self. The keys to the palace have been taken from him, yet he still remembers the passage ways.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject: Thursday will be an ingrown nail to Sam...
The island let out a laugh last night. The jet ski boy is in the land of the Cariocas. The newspaper called 'friend'.

Maybe it is true after all. It's so hard too find someone that doesn't want to be found.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look. A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture. Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: Centennial Park
Doesn't anybody here remember who Richard Jewell is?

As far as foreighners not having the same rights as compared to when they are in their own county...damn right they don't. US Citizens should especially bear that in mind

**Question from poster: JetSki Boy. = locoman?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: Thursday is a day with no character...
Who snatched the body? The mutts seem to think it was there.

Obstruction anybody? Cowboys don't have badges.

There's a well in the back. Who will go and look?

No codes for the wicked.

whos mutts - Van Der Straaten stepped infront of SAR and told them to leave.
Where are we talking about?

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: Opposably Thumb...
This primate ain't no boy. Too many doppelgangers. What's in a name?

Swinging from a building ain't easy. Merian has many babylonian friends. Primates are not indigenous to the land, but make no mistake still a cousin to the great Cacique Macuarima.

Look tomorrow for the Palace will rumble. Eyes burning in the xenon. Rotten packages from The Hague will make or break the losers. The palace servants have to choose sides now and avoid embarrasement.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: Contradicting counsels...
Occum was a smart man, yet the process is to eliminate. Too many assumptions of wells and dirty waters. The babylonians and the gringos are shooting a fly with a cannon.

The mutts are said to never be wrong. The cowboys are angry, but they may get shot down on trespassing.

Look for counsels to call for bruised toes. They too know the palace well. 112 is the number brought in. None have added. Whose hand is still in he picture?

Some têtes will roll in the weeks ahead. (TETE's refers to smuggling)

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Know the passage...
Read with care. Forked tongues with framed reputations on their walls. Crawling in the palace looking for trapdoors and cracks in the floor.

Do not be surprised. Only the package from The Hague holds the thin layers of answers. Never has mail been so late.

ShocktheMonkey Says: June 25th, 2005 at 9:08 pm To my faithful believers:

This may be my last post. But I'll tell you what's going on. The younger VDS did it. No admission of guilt yet, but witnesses to prove. Awaiting DNA results to confirm will be soon. Two more possible arrests. DJ was the "Vessel". Sorry for cryptic message, but my job is on the line. Still I remain true to you bloggers and the truth shall set us free. A mystery is only as mysterious as the mind allows it to be. Sometimes the truth is right in front of your face .

And then there's his answer to Greta that he didn't know any of the three...
I just don't buy it. His story makes no sense!

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: Do not confuse...
The Simian called out names like bifrons. Nobody else.

Listen closely today. The Babylonians are grinning after a long while.

The phones have been hacked. Dots on dish. The rotten package from The Hague.

Choose sides now to avoid embarrassment. The checkmate is set again.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: Who is Simian?
The lines flow easily. Full sentences.

Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish. The thing is that it came back to haunt you.

Little altars built into their rooms. Only one rested, while the other went to the aide of foul mouthed one. Bite your tongue off now.

The elder is half the man he used to be. Dragging his feet on the lonely streets.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: The stage is set...
Third act is set to play. The rotten package from The Hague is screaming to be heard.


Do not sell your hard earned opinions. It might be time to eat your words.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: The waves are hot again...
Chewed up tongue need to be freed. Bouncing 'round on the beach.

The babylonians' reputation is shining in he sun.

Who wants Damocles' chair?

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: GSM Orwellian
What is wrong? The brothers had to be separated. The Babylonians have layed it thick and hard, but couldn't get what they asked for.

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help. The Babylonians knew he was a bifrons. He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.

People do not lose faith in the Babylonians.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: The whisperer knows...
A new line has been set. The clock re-arranged. Ha! Antennas that talk about what they saw. They know he went back, but what did he do?

The voulchers with their xenons don't even understand this.


Dutch bugs zooming by fast. So fast they don't make a sound.

The head Babylonian likes the old cowboy and tells him secrets so he can ride longer. Do remember that the cowboys don't have badges. They should not trespass. Silent witnesses can be thrown out of the courtroom.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Se habla español...
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."

Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject: One by one the pieces are arriving...
The chief Babylonian is narrowing it down for the cowboys. He needs their help.

Look tomorrow as Gutenberg's children will tell all about The Hague.

The head doctor is puzzled by the boy. How can such a thing live inside of him. Foul mouthed, swollen and bittten, but he is strong.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta. Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about.

Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch...grid by grid.

ALLYINMIAMI Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject:
Listen everyone, i apologize if i offend any of u, so if i do, please just ignore me...This is not Simiam...I now know for a fact. This person is trying to lure u....to demonstrate that we are followers...Again, I am sorry, i do not intend to hurt any of u..But the real one always responds to me in certain manner, and he hasn't, it is our Code and this new "Simian" does not know it....

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: Tuna on toast...
The Sabana Basora case is over. The girl confessed to chomping away at her fears. The first cut is always the deepest. The question is if she is a bifrons too. And not alone either.

That quisquella related slaying had nothing to with anything with the yellowhammer.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: Soc & Prot
So many people seem to be obsessed with the Simian. Even the santería overlord with the corny chopped verses.

"That my opinion is true by virtue of its being my opinion?"

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Close...
The Palace has rules. The cowboys need to understand this. They have to wait for the Babylonians to open the coker.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

The whisperer in the line, now.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject: Special people...special interests
The Orange one is for show. Those that live below the sea are good people.

Sir Thomas More isn't the only one who is crying bloody murder. Paradise is not lost, because the hand feeds itself, will not bite itself.

The Dutch hand and the Gringo hand will wash each other. They are both attached to the same body.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: Phidippides
The question is if there will be end to the journey? Her fate is no worse than the secret contained in Richard Drew marvel.

Third acts have no upside.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject: Papi the Butterfly
The journey may be far, but it will be short. The dead end is another dead-end. It repels water as do duck feathers.

There's no breath left. It is hard to find things that don't want to be found.

Choose sides now, before embarrassment is unavoidable. The croupiers know the boy knew the Yellowhammer. They told the Babylonians so.

Too many detractors. Stick to the story. Read the hours of The Simian's words and see if they fit.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: The Simian
The simplest explanation.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: Just head for that big star straight on.
See how the dead-ends meet? Like the Simian said. There is little to fear as the Babylonians are swinging the scepter still.



The Simian does not boast. Tread slowly as the Hindus were brutal during the confrontation. Who stuck to their story after all?

The Yellowhammer has flown, but the bifrons is not on the loose. The silent antennas have spoken, but they have forked tongues too.

Who will sit in Damocles' chair?


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject: The flight of Mictlantecutli
Being the one who ate and not the one who warmed the food. From the pan into the fire.

The Simian knows the whisperer. The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.

The Tracy is going from door to door. Doesn't understand how Janus sleeps at the door of the Arawaks. Never pretend you understand.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: Wake up to the jaguar's glow.
Multi fractions spell democracy to the Simian. The tyranny of duality does not live in the conuco. Yes or no are not the only answers.

Pick up the pieces and make an island. Only the one who chopped it down understands. Sell your convictions to try and understand. Start anew, a new man.

Who says the one who broke is the one who knows? Look by the haystack in the small hours.

They live in the conuco, but they are the only ones who can open the palace doors. The federales should be careful not to grease the palace floors. The robed ones will squeeze an escape through passageways used once before.

The checkmate is the same the tables might have turned. There are no donkeys or mules in chess only horses.


Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: The rise of Eurydice
Garding the door is Janus still. Who is strong, never broken and never will. Do not mock, for those who unknowingly cut their hands with swords have pure hearts.

The Simian did not fill the saliña with water or mud. Many want to engage, yet defeated will not admit. Not a little, not a lot.

One after the other one stone will tumble the next. In a game of men a lot is said. Papi the Butterfly had the hand for double play and broke the game. Speak now and save Ganga's face.

Who heeded the jaguar's rising? The noble son of the sun breaking through.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:38 am Post subject: Oggun is having the last laugh...
The god with the misspelled name has led many astray.

The xenon lights have tilted the Babylonians. The one who holds the hammer and the block are angry with themselves.

See the first prose of the Simian. It precedes all. Still to this day, there are too many detractors. The Simian is sad to see his own words used against him.

The human form of Merian will be consumed very soon. When the blessings of Emily are sent to the sea.

The whisperer will be on the line. Again.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: Eurydice
Sorry, John Neely, if the Yellowbird is found all will be known.

The hours are winding down. As Emily is sent to the sea, clearing the path for the Babylonians.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: Dubbelspel
Choose sides to avoid embarrassment.

The boy bit his tongue. For he is water as to the blood of the others. Ganga is hanging her head down.

The silent antennas have spoken of the forked tongues.

You see, the dogs found the grid. The cowboys should have unleashed them. That was a mistake. Gloat is the enemy of many brilliant men.





















Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:19:15 PM
Stellaris Casino General
Manager Michael Rock
and
his family this evening. Mr.
Rock has been appointed
to the position of General
Manager of the renowned
JW Marriott Hotel in
Mexico City.
The
festivities then continued
late into the evening as 14
year old Jimmy Rock ce
lebrated his birthday by
dancing the night away with
many of his friends from
the International School of
Aruba.



(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4589/image485lp9.jpg)

JIMMY ROCK (HIS FATHER IS MICHAEL ROCK IS PARTYING WITH VALENTIJN VAN DER SLOOT)






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:21:28 PM
Pita,

See what you can find out about this apt.

"The search team scoured the Abandoned Atlantis Apartment complex located less than ½ mile away from
the Aruba Racquet Club where a possible witness places the three suspects."

I have a map of the area, but I'm waiting for CAPS to help fill us in if he will.
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:21:36 PM
As I understand it from Klaas if these posts were in the forum she can not search them.  She told me this...I am not making it up guys.  She said unless she can search them and find them herself in the forum she can not check the IP addy and compare it to Simian's.  I am just telling you what Klaas has told me...I am sure you can ask her if you don't believe me.  I have read them and know about them..but I am more interested in finding out the IP info than what they say...that would tell us if  Simian and Merian are one and the same..or at the least using the same computer.  I know they are using the same email address...that is not my assumption...it is what Klaas has told me.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 04:22:21 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 21, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01002&read=6937


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:24:26 PM
Here is that code.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: . .-.. .--. .- -.. .-. .
... --- --- ... .- -. . .-- - .-. ..- - .... .-- .. .-.. .-.. -... . ..- -. ...- . .-... . -.. .-.-.-


post before - 4 day gap between posts.

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: Close...
The Palace has rules. The cowboys need to understand this. They have to wait for the Babylonians to open the coker.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

The whisperer in the line, now.

post after

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.


Mum found some interesting info on that reference to the orange regal visage.  I hope she sees this and posts that info again.  It was something I had not seen before.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:25:17 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 04:28:16 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL

I saw Rufo Solongier's son the night before.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:30:36 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL

I saw Rufo Solongier's son the night before.  ::MonkeyEek::

HMMMM!! Now that is interesting. You should email me. cindoal@yahoo.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 04:34:53 PM
Pita,

See what you can find out about this apt.

"The search team scoured the Abandoned Atlantis Apartment complex located less than ½ mile away from
the Aruba Racquet Club where a possible witness places the three suspects."

I have a map of the area, but I'm waiting for CAPS to help fill us in if he will.
 

Pita posted this the other day:

Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 05:18:04 PM
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(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono.jpg)

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 05:18:19 PM
CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg

(http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/apartments-homepage.jpg)

Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   


Follow the music (rock?)  Grabbing straws here, but anything is possible.  Also wasn't those people from Mexico who called and told Dave to meet them somewhere and they never showed up?  It was somewhere in (I thought Mexico.)
jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 05:29:29 PM
Very very nice Pita...

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 05:30:56 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 05:41:56 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 06:09:13 PM
As I understand it from Klaas if these posts were in the forum she can not search them.  She told me this...I am not making it up guys.  She said unless she can search them and find them herself in the forum she can not check the IP addy and compare it to Simian's.  I am just telling you what Klaas has told me...I am sure you can ask her if you don't believe me.  I have read them and know about them..but I am more interested in finding out the IP info than what they say...that would tell us if  Simian and Merian are one and the same..or at the least using the same computer.  I know they are using the same email address...that is not my assumption...it is what Klaas has told me.


 

The Murder of Natalee Holloway

Natalee Updates  from June 18, 2007 and forward are in The Vault
 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

~ SETI @Home~
 

MERIAN ERNEST POSTINGS ANNOTATED

USO's =  Ocean-Diving, (Waterproof ) UFOs

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm
Primates are not indigenous to the land
maybe he's a Space critter

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm
The well is full of technicalities.
The "well"in Aruba,  if it's near the quarry, is a USO reception hall
FIND_THE_HOLE

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Know the passage...
Read with care. Forked tongueswith framed reputations on their walls.
Crawling in the palace looking for trapdoors and cracks in the floor.
THE_POLICE_DONT_HAVE_HUMAN_SOULS

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:24 am
The phones have been hacked. Dots on dish. .
Everywhere you go, your dot will be on the dish.

SETI

The thing is that it came back to haunt you.
The elder is half the man he used to be.
Who is the co-pilot?

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject:
The stage is set...
Third act is set to play.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:29 pm
Post subject: The waves are hot again...

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm
Post subject: GSM Orwellian
but Big Brother didn't expect a mutiny within the ranks

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help.
GAS BUDDIES and SETI@HOME and SANDRAK
The Babylonians knew he was a bifrons.
BIFRONS, a great earl, (The Earl of Hell) appears in a monstrous form,
but assumes the human shape when commanded.
he changes dead bodies, puts them in other places,
and lights phantom candles on their graves.
(and switches souls too)
He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.
(see our Natalee Clues for many, many messages about "Bill"

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:
The whisperer knows...
(the "grey" Whisperer)
 Ha! Antennas that talk about what they saw.
SETI claims they have never received an ET communication
But apparently SETI must have picked up the unfortunate transaction with Natalee,
The arrival of the guests into the quarry
The dogs were so close
Dutch bugs zooming by fast. So fast they don't make a sound.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."
Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.
The head doctor is puzzled by the boy. How can such a thing live inside of him.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:
They call him bifrons...
Find Aruba. Find the Haystack. Find Santa Marta.
Trace with your finger what the Antenna has spoken about.
Unleash the dogs. Inch by inch...grid by grid.
 

Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:38 pm
Nobody knows. Nobody.
The whisperer in the line, now.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject:
Special people...special interests
Those that live below the sea are good people.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am Post subject:
 Just head for that big star straight on.
 The silent antennas have spoken, but they have forked tongues too.

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject:
The Simian knows the whisperer. The heirs of Nikola.
see HAARP GRID
The Tracy is going from door to door.
Doesn't understand how Janus sleeps at the door of the Arawaks.
 Never pretend you understand.
Marien is talking about ETs, E.L.F. microwave antennas ("dots on the dish") and
*JANUS 123
JANUS 123 are the wild and crazy coverts that worked at the old area 51.
I was advised in a snarky email once:
"123 always watch us".... us ?

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject:
Wake up to the jaguar's glow.
Start anew, a new man.

Photo by Kathy Drenga of this man who followed her.
This is what one of those half -a-man-half -something-else "projects" look like.
 

Look by the haystack in the small hours.
They live in the conuco,
 The robed ones will squeeze an escape through passageways used once before.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:09 am
Garding the door is Janus still. .
Who heeded the jaguar's rising?
The human form of Merian will be consumed very soon.
When the blessings of Emily are sent to the sea.
The whisperer will be on the line. Again.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 pm
The boy bit his tongue.
For he is water as to the blood of the others.
The silent antennas have spoken of the forked tongues.
You see, the dogs found the grid.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:23 pm
More will unravel as the Jaguar leans into the sea.

November 20, 2003
 WE'RE_DISCUSSING_THE_DUTCH
 HEY_MISTERS---_THE_GREAT_TEARS_ARE_COMIN
 GET_EARL_HE_KNOWS_A_LITTLE_BIT---remember, bifrons is the Earl of hell
 IS_HE_BY_THE_POOL? (other)_HE'S_NEAR THE COFFEE,_CALL_CHARLI_TO_LOOK.
 (Earl:) I_DECIDE
 _long_belch---_THE_COMMIES_ARE_COMING.
 ---STAY_BY_YA_WHEN_ITS_TROUBLE
 WHAT'S_THE_MISTER_TALKING_ABOUT_(other)_THE_JAGUAR.
 COMET_NEXT
THEY_POSTED A MAP AT_THE_CARNIVAL.
 
 

Merian wants to leave this form soon.

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OK, SO IT NEVER WAS ENTIRELY ABOUT DEAD HUMANS TALKING.
BUT YOU KNEW THAT, right?
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April 2005

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(this is the Navy's HAARP LIGHT.  It is arranged in what is called a WOODPECKER GRID
(re: Marien Ernest a "yellowhammer" is a woodpecker)
The HAARP LIGHT was aimed at Aruba and visable there on the night Natalee went missing. ..verified

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The Prayer Breakfast, "Family" "Fellowship" ppl are involved in this.
The Shagno stuff was about their part in it which has to do with procuring victims like Natalee for "projects".
They first put the victims thru their rituals, summoning helpers like bifrons.
The victim is often killed and the snuff film made to ensure the silence of the perps participating in it.
Read about BOHEMIAN GROVE  see the OWL?
This is why our recent Natalee clues keep talking about ppl who are "OWLS"
this is what happened to Natalee

Such as was the case with Paulus Van Der Sloot.
Whom I believe killed her during a snuff film
"NATALEE_ABRAISED_IN_THE_FOREHEAD"
I guess he was due for some rite of passage
and now
according to Marian Ernest
he's only HALF a man
This ritual must be to put some alien's soul in the driver's seat.
Give them physicality.

That's enuf to make anybody sweat.

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Photo by Kathy Drenga

Aruban Grafitti Wall

Depiction of an ET on the Aruban Grafitti Wall

Roswell aliens theory revived by deathbed confession

AFFIDAVIT OF GLENN DENNIS

Forget UFOs, something fishy is going on in the Caribbean.
Unidentified Submersed Objects

Felix Rivera is a diver with an underwater salvage company based near the American Naval Air Station which adjoins El Yunque, one of many U.S. bases on the island. He confirmed to me that UFOs and USOs have frequently been observed often by American military personnel.

Puerto Rico is also host to the unique radio-telescope at Arecibo, a natural crater turned into the parabolic bowl of a gigantic receiving antenna - the largest and most sensitive radiotelescope in the world.

ONE of the acknowledged roles of Arecibo is as a listening post for alien lifeforms broadcasting from outer space. The project is known as SETI - the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence.

SEE MARIEN ERNEST DIALOG  re: SETI
 


DOG'S BLOOD RITUAL IN VENEZUELA

TWO CARACAS WOMEN NABBED IN RITUAL MURDER

A court in Caracas, the capital of Venezuela, "ordered the arrest of a 19-year-old woman and her 44- year-old mother for the alleged murder of a two-month-old baby during a Satanic ritual held Monday," September 12, 2005.

"The murder of the child--nephew and grandchild to the women--was committed in a poor neighborhood of Caracas," one of the largest cities in South America, "and was preceded by a ceremony, in which, according to the press, a dog was sacrificed and its blood poured over the participants."

"All versions of the story agree that the 'celebrant' of the ritual was Monica Castro, 19, the baby's aunt. The child was beaten to death after being subjected to chilling tortures."

"Castro told (Venezuelan) police that she was incited by her sister, Virginia, 29, the baby's mother, who was strangled 15 days ago under unclear circumstances. The mother allegedly ordered, from beyond the grave, that 'the child be slain to give its soul to the Devil.'"

According to police, "at the height of the ritual, Monica ran out into the street, nude and bathed in the dog's blood, screaming. Her shouts alarmed the neighbors, who called the police. The authorities arrived just in time to keep Monica from being lynched when the child's death was discovered."

"The court also ordered the arrest of Marisabel Suarez, her mother, for being present at the ceremony and doing nothing to stop it. A psychiatric examination has been ordered for Monica."

"Investigations began after a 15-year-old was arrested in the alleged murder of his mother, Miriam Padron, and of college student Lissbeth Quintero on August 10, 2005."

"The prosecutor's office recalled that Padron and Quintero were stabbed 37 times."

"Police found 'a variety of artifacts employed in performing Satanic rituals.'" (Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales y Jose Manuel Duran para esas noticias.)

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Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:37 pm
It’s horrible. He is a sociopath.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:44 pm
Killing his own dogs. Dumping them is the reservoir........

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water.
They are confident in their equipment.
Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary.
From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk
The monkey is connected to a microwave.
The monsters have come to eat from the anguished/
The birdie has come down from the cable/
we have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:51 am
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters.

The dead dogs are stinking.
~
GRAPEFIELD, ARUBA-June 5, 2005 - Police in Aruba report finding a blood-soaked mattress during their search for a missing Alabama teen whose father has Arkansas ties and lives in Mississippi.
The deputy police chief says tests will be conducted on the mattress, which was found on a desolate island beach. More than two dozen Dutch marines combed the area, poking the sand with sticks.

The official said the bedding was found hours after authorities detained two men in the case.

~
As we now know, it was later reported that the mattress had been stained with DOG'S BLOOD

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~~  OLDER 2007 CLUES ~~

MARCH 14, 2007

 HOOTIE,_MY_EVIL_COOK_LADY,---_YOU_WERE_MAD_AT_OWL
Hootie: THE_PIE_IS_FOR_OUR_POLICE
 THIS_IS_ZULU_---HE_HAS_PROPERTY_ABOUT_YOU

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FEBRUARY 23, 2007

 CAN_THE_HOOTIE_OWL_COOK_GOOD ?--_HOLLOWAY
WE_SAW_HER_COMING,_LADY
 THE_TEENAGER_FALL_other_yells_I'M_IN_THE_WELL...
...UNDER_THE_MOUNTAIN

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January 31, 2007

Whole Thing 358K EvpMaker

Q: WHERE  IS "BABYLON" (other than Iraq) ?

 TOMB_OF_JESUS_---I'M_OFFENDED
THE_HOME_OF_THE_FREEZER
 KEPT_THE_COP'S_BODY_HERE
 HOME_OF_LORENZO'S_BODY
 WE_DO_WANT_THESE_PEOPLE_TO_GET_OFF_THE_BLOCK
STEVE_CROES_FOOLED_YA

 DEAD_COP_COULDN'T_SPEAK TODAY...
....BUT_SEEKS_CRUMBLED_FOOTBALL_TEAM

~recording reversed
Q: WHERE IS OR WHAT IS "BABYLON PALACE", THEN ?

LET_ALL_THE_SAILORS_SPEAK:
 THEY'RE_EVIL__THEY_MADE_GIRL'S_FOOTAGE
INVITE_THE_TALKING_LADY___HELP_ME

EDEN'S_AT_THE_HILTON
50_PEOPLE_HAVE_BECOME_ZOMBIES
THEY'RE_NOT_JUST_PEOPLE
 OPENED_UP_A_FAKE_COP_SHOP

reference: March 2006
THE_COPS_ARENT_HUMAN_SOULS

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 January 30, 2007

Whole Thing 424K

Q: WHO IS DIRTYHAND?

LORENZO
 A_FAMOUS_VISION
DO_YOU_DOUBT_THE_MEN_((feamle_whispers))_WITH_ME ?
WE_WATCHED_RANDALL_DESIGN_THE_MACHINE_GUN
GUN_MODEL_READY---_LEMME_SHOW_YA ?
IT_WAS_THE_POLICE_PEOPLE_---WORK_HARD_TO_CATCH_HIM
 QUARRY_DEAD
BILL_DUMPED_THE_POISON___POOR_FOOL
HOOTIE_UP_WATCHING_YOUR_POOL,_MOM
HER_MOM_DROWN_THAT'S_A_HUGE_THING ?
 HUMAN_DIE_HERE_FOR_TACOS
POLICE_SEE_THAT_MESSAGE_WAS_ABOUT_TACOS

~recording reversed
Q: WHO KILLED NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

SOME_ASSHOLE_KILLED_ME...
 ...THE_TUXEDO
 ASSHOLE
 HEY_NATALEE !
 THREE_MALES_SEIZED_PAUL
PAUL_AND_THE_O,_THEY_SNUFF_HER
 IDOL_HOLD_PUZZLE
 HAVE_A_GOOD_NIGHT_CHARLI
 STAY_ONERY

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Lorenzo Flashback

June 2005
WHY_WILL_THEY_NOT_LOOK
TRY_THE_OTHER_ONE
FIND_HOLE
WE_GO_IN_THE_HOLE_WITH_OXYGEN
SEE_LORENZO

October 2005
I_WARN_YOU
DON'T_EAT_THE_FOOD_AT_WILD_PARTY

December 2005
NOW_WE_DO_NOT_NEED_FOOD,_LARRY
(making fun of someone )_"OH,_MY_DILEMMA_HELP_ME...."
YOU_CAN'T_FIND_LORENZO
GOING_UP

April 2006
I_HAVE_LORENZO
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Natalee Holloway Messages 2005-2006

Hope this helps from Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 06:28:14 PM
lol....."the eyes of god look from afar with great acuity"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 06:33:09 PM
Hilton=Wyndham?
fetid depths?
foundations shaking?
the Canadian comic strip?

start digging.......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 06:36:40 PM
Jack, you have my attention with that post.

Coffeepot has a dish.

and dots on a dish can only mean one thing. I too have seti on online and have not had a hit in 4 years. of well.
Interesting post anyway. And I have always wondered about coffeepot's locale. seems midwest...any idea?

coffeepot is fun and could even be linked to you!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 06:40:13 PM
saw this guy Bill:
http://www.ufomag.com/front/about.html

on a Discovery or History Channel special about U.S.O.'s (submerged objects).....and he said (almost quoting) that we need to be open to the idea of a civilization living beneath the sea....people indiginous to this planet, who have been here for perhaps thousands of years


sounds like something Merian Earnst said.......
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 06:41:34 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 21, 2008, 06:48:29 PM
Pitavms maybe you should contact Armin. couldn't hurt. He got married a little while back - just a heads up...and minor info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 06:51:10 PM
Samir Daou

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono5.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/sdaou


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Doesn't Steve Croes have an uncle with the last name of Solognier?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 07:51:36 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Doesn't Steve Croes have an uncle with the last name of Solognier?

Yep, Rufo.

I also see an Armin Solognier apparently associated with the Caribbean Mercantile Bank.
Maybe Rob will give more details about this person.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 07:55:02 PM
SOLOGNIER, ARMIN EMORY

arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20KLEIN-2006-2007.XLS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 08:06:42 PM
Armin Solognier's Videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier

Band Members

Armin Solognier, Arnold Mohamed, Derrick Werleman, Edward de Cuba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 21, 2008, 08:10:07 PM
snipped...

Tambe a ser comparti cu esnan presente e noticia cu Caribbean Mercantile Bank N.V. a ser otorgá e Premio di Oro di Summit Awards International pa su “Annual Report 2005 – The Path of the Lion”. Un logro cu Sr. Lionel Capriles a comparti cu esnan presente y Sr. Armin Solognier (Marketing & Business Development Officer). 

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/social/news3.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 08:20:17 PM
Some interesting friends these guys have...I have been perusing their friends and photos and I have seen a few names that ring bells...lots of bells. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 08:46:13 PM
Armin Solognier's Videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier

Band Members

Armin Solognier, Arnold Mohamed, Derrick Werleman, Edward de Cuba


Any relation to Ronchi de Cuba? Hmmmm.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:14:48 PM
Jack, you have my attention with that post.

Coffeepot has a dish.

and dots on a dish can only mean one thing. I too have seti on online and have not had a hit in 4 years. of well.
Interesting post anyway. And I have always wondered about coffeepot's locale. seems midwest...any idea?

coffeepot is fun and could even be linked to you!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



How so, Rob? I know nothing about that stuff.  Just ran accross it.  Thought someone might glean something from it.    Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:16:59 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sounds like I heard so.  His mother's sister marry this dude?  He was a cop?

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Doesn't Steve Croes have an uncle with the last name of Solognier?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:19:01 PM
Very very nice Pita...vms

use the same link now at Garage Bands and look for Drive By Messiah

self edit.... totally my fault  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob,

Aru-tribe first came to mind. Can you link Drive By Messiah? I have to go cook dinner.  :-x

BBL

http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah

Thank you.


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono4.jpg)

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 

Seems like I heard that.  His (Steve's mom's bro?  a cop?)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
From Wild Fire's website:

Wild Fire shocks Aruba at the AMS 2007
Wednesday, June 13, 2007
Last Sunday, June 10, at the Aruba Model Search 2007, Wild Fire unleashed their pent up fury in the form of “Kill Your MTV”. A medley of 80’s Rock and Metal acts pasted together in their own



Sights of Café Chaos March 30, 2007
Thursday, April 5, 2007
These cool photos were taken by Samir Daou, who visited us from Curaçao especially for the gig. He also joined Derrick for a rousing rendition of “Whole Lotta Love”.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 21, 2008, 09:38:55 PM
saw this guy Bill:
http://www.ufomag.com/front/about.html

on a Discovery or History Channel special about U.S.O.'s (submerged objects).....and he said (almost quoting) that we need to be open to the idea of a civilization living beneath the sea....people indiginous to this planet, who have been here for perhaps thousands of years


sounds like something Merian Earnst said.......
 ::MonkeyEek::

"....and the sea gave up her dead..."


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 21, 2008, 09:43:35 PM
saw this guy Bill:
http://www.ufomag.com/front/about.html

on a Discovery or History Channel special about U.S.O.'s (submerged objects).....and he said (almost quoting) that we need to be open to the idea of a civilization living beneath the sea....people indiginous to this planet, who have been here for perhaps thousands of years


sounds like something Merian Earnst said.......
 ::MonkeyEek::

"....and the sea gave up her dead..."


"Not all primates are indigenous to the land"   -Merian


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 09:50:35 PM
omg - this could be me and Sandy. We were there on that date and that was our 9th trip.... ::MonkeyEek::

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: Be fair...
Spoke a to a confessed right-wing couple in Aruba. It was their ninth visit. They have no problem with the way the case has been handled and understand that as long as there is no proof you cannot hold somebody responsible.

Well, did anyone look like AG or Clyde? LOL

I saw Rufo Solongier's son the night before.  ::MonkeyEek::

Would that have been Armin?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:00:12 PM
CURACAO BOWLING ASSOCIATION
Sta. Rosa 1,
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles


President:
Samir Daou

http://www.cuboa.com/Main/Contact%20Us.html
http://www.cuboa.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:11:12 PM
Armin Solognier and Cedric (Ricky) Kock “Leon di Oro” for 2007   
Thursday, 17 January 2008 

PALM BEACH – Last Friday the Noord Branch of the Caribbean Mercantile Bank held the traditional event to start the New Year with the “Fresh Start.” The event commemorates 2 employees with the “Leon di Oro” (the Golden Lion) for their outstanding work in the previous year.
The Noord Branch was filled with 262 employees to whom the achievements and the results of 2007 were presented confirming that the year was a record year surpassing all the records of the previous years 
 Also presented during the event were the vision and focus of the bank for this current year and beyond.
The management of the Caribbean Mercantile Bank, Bill Carson, Roberto Dijkhoff and Javier Wolter mentioned how proud they were of the results and their staff especially focussing on the consistency, efficiency and effectiveness of all the employees.
The growth of the bank was once again formidable in 2007 confirming their position as the leading bank in the Aruban community.
This year two ‘Lions’ were nominated for the highest recognition in the bank; Armin Solognier for his involvement in charitable work and his production of marketing campaigns for the bank and Cedric (Ricky) Kock who is in charge of the coordination of the ATM machines breaking records for ‘reliability & performance.’
Ricky is also actively involved with music promoting the folkloric and cultural aspects of Aruba with his group “Ola Tropical” as well as with his New Years Dande Band.
The party at the Noord Branch was pleasantly surprised when Franklin Granadillo, the composer of the latest CMB Jingle “Biba Mihor” (live better), when he gave a life performance of the jingle on his trumpet.
The management of the CMB congratulates the winners Armin and Ricky with their recognition of the 2007 “Leon di Oro.”
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=1


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 10:32:24 PM
Lorenzo?


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono6.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono7.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono8.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:06:05 PM
I saw that...a party at Lorenzos...I was afraid to say anything...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 11:21:54 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono9.jpg) (http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier.html)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:24:57 PM
If this guy is 35 could he be Rufo's brother maybe?  Which would then make him Steve's uncle too.  Where are the genealogy people when you need them?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:36:11 PM
Why does the name Werleman ring a bell?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 21, 2008, 11:39:02 PM
I want to know if Armin graduated from Colegio Arubano...


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

**********

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 21, 2008, 11:53:16 PM
I want to know if Armin graduated from Colegio Arubano...


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

**********

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

He went to some kind of music school..let me see if I can find that again...I read it a few hours ago.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 22, 2008, 12:12:07 AM

I'll go so far as to say that
Satish may not be part of the "official" suspect count

he was part of the lineup that night
but may have been viewed by the ethical ALE faction
as nothing more than a tag-along

perhaps the count begins w/ J/K2 = 2 (rather than 3)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 22, 2008, 12:21:34 AM
I want to know if Armin graduated from Colegio Arubano...


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

**********

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA. This former prison was still used, from time to time, by the police to accommodate persons detained under the Aliens legislation.

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

Colegio Aruba yearbooks..

1977-1985
http://www.colegiopariba.freeservers.com/photo6.html

1978-1990's
http://paribaleerlingen.freeservers.com/

I see Gino Hodge in there but apparently too young to be Simian ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 12:32:59 AM
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac.

Wild Fire website..."made on a Mac"

http://www.wildfirearuba.com/Wild%20Fire%20Aruba.html

You have to scroll to the next page...printed at bottom.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 22, 2008, 12:34:47 AM
Here ya go Caps..You probably have read this blog but it made some interesting reading..GinoX and Pietjezz  ::MonkeyWink::

http://tinyurl.com/6lovjr


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 12:35:22 AM
I am not very good with math...but would that make Armin 17 in 1990?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 12:54:01 AM
Name: Armin Solognier
Age: 36
Hometown: Oranjestad

http://arminsolo.hyves.net/?pageid=515LXD2H9M8S4GSC0


**********


Domain Name: wildfirearuba.com
Created on..............: Thu, Apr 05, 2007

http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?verification=6921&domain=wildfirearuba.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 01:15:44 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Finbar on April 22, 2008, 01:17:33 AM
« Reply #274 on: April 17, 2008, 06:21:44 PM »posted by Finngirl

at this point, all we're missing is someone related to Sloots, LOL

Koen, Sander, Vader and Lorenzo…

 :wink: 



Many vowels are placed upon my lips that never crossed.

I said, 'shake the tree and see who falls out. It may lead to the fifth.

Besides, I never laid claim that the Crows monkey would fall from it(but it might too). Maybe another related monkey.

Shake this...
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/v/r/i/Georgina-F-Vrieswijk/index.html

Many Crows in that tree. AG. Maduro, Solagnier, de Wit, Arends, Dijkhoff, Eman, Gomez, Kelly, Koch, LACLE, Lampe, Tromp, ODUBER, and my fave...







VAN DER SLOOT.


Maybe the O name was dropped in confidence, but the last was not, I bet.

Maybe exposing personal and sensitive insurance search results leaves some in a dilemma of legalities. Not to mention what might fall from the family tree.

Small island. Closed community. Many inter-related.

Ever ponder the phrase, "Steve Croes will not be sacrificed"? Wonder why not?

The odds that they are not related is slim. No one on the planet can be more than a 52nd cousin, to another.

Most likely first or second cousins at the most.

On an island of 70,000 that is largely closed for a large period of time leaves - cousins.

Ok, now you are going to tell me that Sloot is a common name? LOL.

This group is a bunch of ANGELS! TEAM work like this will bring forth many answers.

We need a name. That's it! The ANGEL TEAM!


Fin


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 22, 2008, 01:53:11 AM
 
:shock: :shock: :shock:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 22, 2008, 04:12:55 AM

which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  :wink:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 22, 2008, 06:27:49 AM
Why does the name Werleman ring a bell?

Van der Sloot maid's statement.......

On Thursday, August 11, 2005, around 18:55, we, took a statement, interrogated the witness:

Margaritha WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF,

Born on Aruba on March 10, 1954, aid in the household (independent) and living more closely Wolf xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba. Her statement was given in papiamento, and was translated by me, JACOBS, to Dutch and placed on record.

On your question how long have I worked for the Van Der Sloot family, I answer you the following:

I have worked ( 8 ) years at family Van Der Sloot. I work as from Monday up to and including Friday for them. I do not work on Saturday and Sunday at family Van Der Sloot. I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot. With family VDS, I mean the parents of the detained man "Joran Van Der Sloot". (meaning the suspect "Joran Van Der Sloot"; observation JACOBS).

On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following:
I work on Monday from 08.00 till 12.00.
I work on Tuesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Wednesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Thursday from 13.30 till 15.30
and I work on Friday from 13.30 till 17.30 at family Van Der Sloot
As you can see I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot with exception of Thursday because then I work only two (2) hours.

On your question if the family Van Der Sloot has another aid in the household, answer I you no. I am the only aid in the household at the family Van Der Sloot. They do not have an aid in the household on Saturday and Sunday when I do not work for them. On your question if I know of a Spanish speaking aid at the family Van Der Sloot my answer is no.  I have also never seen a Spanish speaking aid at the household of Van Der Sloot.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer these.

M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF

After I, JACOBS, read the declaration to the witness M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF in papiamento that was translated to Dutch, the witness signed them.

This is our statement, on oath of office made up this proces-verbaal, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 11, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,

D.D. JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=268.0



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 06:46:16 AM
Why does the name Werleman ring a bell?

Van der Sloot maid's statement.......

On Thursday, August 11, 2005, around 18:55, we, took a statement, interrogated the witness:

Margaritha WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF,

Born on Aruba on March 10, 1954, aid in the household (independent) and living more closely Wolf xxxxxxxxxx on Aruba. Her statement was given in papiamento, and was translated by me, JACOBS, to Dutch and placed on record.

On your question how long have I worked for the Van Der Sloot family, I answer you the following:

I have worked ( 8 ) years at family Van Der Sloot. I work as from Monday up to and including Friday for them. I do not work on Saturday and Sunday at family Van Der Sloot. I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot. With family VDS, I mean the parents of the detained man "Joran Van Der Sloot". (meaning the suspect "Joran Van Der Sloot"; observation JACOBS).

On your question if I can tell you specifically when I worked from Monday up to and including Friday at the family Van Der Sloot, I answer the following:
I work on Monday from 08.00 till 12.00.
I work on Tuesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Wednesday from 13.30 till 17.30.
I work on Thursday from 13.30 till 15.30
and I work on Friday from 13.30 till 17.30 at family Van Der Sloot
As you can see I work daily four (4) hours at family Van Der Sloot with exception of Thursday because then I work only two (2) hours.

On your question if the family Van Der Sloot has another aid in the household, answer I you no. I am the only aid in the household at the family Van Der Sloot. They do not have an aid in the household on Saturday and Sunday when I do not work for them. On your question if I know of a Spanish speaking aid at the family Van Der Sloot my answer is no.  I have also never seen a Spanish speaking aid at the household of Van Der Sloot.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will be prepared to answer these.

M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF

After I, JACOBS, read the declaration to the witness M. WERLEMAN e.v. DIJKHOFF in papiamento that was translated to Dutch, the witness signed them.

This is our statement, on oath of office made up this proces-verbaal, and has been signed at Oranjestad on August 11, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,

D.D. JACOBS             E.L. SOEMERS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=268.0




Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 07:47:22 AM
Pita,

See what you can find out about this apt.

"The search team scoured the Abandoned Atlantis Apartment complex located less than ½ mile away from
the Aruba Racquet Club where a possible witness places the three suspects."

I have a map of the area, but I'm waiting for CAPS to help fill us in if he will.
 


Bump...for Pita and Caps....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 08:03:44 AM


Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...



Good morning, Mum.

I'm trying to connect dots.  :lol:



If you go here (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html#comment-7104991) and click on Merian Ernest's name, you will see his email address.


Then I found this:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono2.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)



Which led to Armin Solognier & Samir Daou.

Does that make sense?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 08:06:08 AM
Lala's...was this the one?

« Reply #663 on: January 01, 2008, 07:15:39 PM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This post has been bothering me ever since I started reading here and when Rembrandt was mentioned this week on the other thread, I decided to revisit it.
       ----------------------------------------------------------

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

If you search Rembrandt and florin and coin, you'll get lots of hits, but I don't think this one has anything to do with Lorenzo. On the back of all the coins I looked at I found the coat of arms.

From Wiki:

The Coat of Arms of Aruba was originally designed in Amsterdam in 1955. Since then it has been in use as the national symbol of Aruba. There are seven main elements to the symbol:

The lion at the top of the crest symbolizes power.
A white cross on the crest that also serves to divide the crest into four quadrants is representative of devotion to faith.
Below the crest is a pair of laurel leaves, traditional symbols of peace.
The upper right quadrant of the crest depicts Hooiberg, the most recognizable hill of Aruba, and the second highest hill as well.
Below it, in the lower right quadrant a wheel represents industry.
In the upper left quadrant is an aloe plant, aloe being a source of income for the island, and its first important export.

Finally, the lower left quadrant depicts hands shaking, symbolic of Aruba's good relations with the world.


So who runs the show? The lions, the industry-tourism, hotels or the owner of the aloe plant.( I thought I read a long time ago that this was a relative of Posner).

OK...I know now that is a different Posner....




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 08:10:44 AM


Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...



Good morning, Mum.

I'm trying to connect dots.  :lol:



If you go here (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html#comment-7104991) and click on Merian Ernest's name, you will see his email address.


Then I found this:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono2.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)



Which led to Armin Solognier & Samir Daou.

Does that make sense?





Good morning vms...Thanks...yes...and now a little help with the obit, if you don't mind!...LOL

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 08:18:48 AM
Ok, I'm not sure how or if it fits, just throwing it all out there...

Go here (http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier) and check the listing (address) for Solognier Armindo E.

Then go here (http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm) and compare to SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY.

When I found the variation on the name, I searched it and found the obit which included the Rufo Solognier name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 08:27:08 AM
Not sure how it fits because I found something here (http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=285) (pdf file, page 46) for Sr. Armindo Solognier.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:01:36 AM
LOL...not sure how that all will help as I think Steve's aunt was Rufo's wife and she was the sister to Steve's mom!

Think I'll make more coffee...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 22, 2008, 09:22:36 AM

which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  :wink:



Could it be that he changed his name?

 Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .


http://tinyurl.com/4dugq7


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 09:37:28 AM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:38:41 AM

I'll go so far as to say that
Satish may not be part of the "official" suspect count

he was part of the lineup that night
but may have been viewed by the ethical ALE faction
as nothing more than a tag-along

perhaps the count begins w/ J/K2 = 2 (rather than 3)




And this we agree...the 'official' suspect that is...I am not even convinced he was there - in the same car at least...no way long legged Joran sat in the back with Satish in the front.

If Satish was never there, where would that put all the computer messages that night...he would be the one on the computer...just thinking out loud!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:58:53 AM
Kermit...of course...two Michael rocks...LOL

Found this...

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter22.html

News Briefs for March 1-31, 1999
Aruba news snippets
·   The Dutch Marines will be holding their "Enemy Quest 1999" training sessions from April 12-16. On the evening of April 12/13 a training session will be held on the beach areas covering Hadicurari, and surroundings, and Arashi and surroundings. On April 14 combat simulations will be held at the Atlantis Apartment Complex and the following day, April 15 at the Arikok National Park. Last day practices will be held on the coast along Coastal refinery and the area around the Reina Beatrix International Airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

This dude smiles just like Steve Gregory Croes.  He has listed there a Gregory Croes as one of his children.  I believe it would be his children it is listed after his spouse. He could be a grandparent or something, but Steve may come from a large family.   Jackb



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 11:01:02 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

This dude smiles just like Steve Gregory Croes.  He has listed there a Gregory Croes as one of his children.  I believe it would be his children it is listed after his spouse. He could be a grandparent or something, but Steve may come from a large family.   Jackb




Hi jackb...I have been trying to work out what the relationships are...the list that Rufo is on...omo...is uncle...not much luck with the rest through the translator...worked out the spouse...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 12:13:48 PM

which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  :wink:



Could it be that he changed his name?

 Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .


http://tinyurl.com/4dugq7

That seems to be what has been known about the name change for not too long after the case started.  Ben King was Ben Vocking.       jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 12:16:38 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

This croes man is so much like Steve Gregory Croes that he would have to be very close kin.  He has the ears, as well.  I believe that grin says it all   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 12:33:47 PM
I guess he knew Jossy?


Page 45

Den nomber di mi mama stimá Sra.Vda. Elsa Croes-Solognier y mi rumannan, Gregory, Judessa & Rosy,
mi ta gradicí tur esnan cu den un forma of otro a apoyá nos incondicionalmente durante enfermedad, fayecimiento, entiero, misanan y rezamento di mi tata

Sr. Juan Emiliano “Mechy” Croes

Hopi danki ta bay pa tur su rumannan, swa- y cuñanan y demas famia, enfermeranan Marietje, Marlene y Sonia di Foundation Edmund Harms, Dr. Lili Beke, Joisey, Dr. Karina Kelly, Geraldine, Jeannette, Dr. Ike Posner, Maritza, Manuel Chacon, Pader Toti, Johnny Martes, Elton Wilson, Neil Thijsen, Rochi Gomez, Gino Croes, Jossy M. Mansur, Freddy Barreto, Nicomeda Albertsz, tur esnan cu a comunica via telegram, tarheta y aviso. Papi drumi dushi den braza di Señor.
Bo Primogénito Dionisio Emiliano “Dino” Croes.

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=104


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 12:38:33 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O
Nellie
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?

back to decoding now Shango

CAPSLOCKWIZARD


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 12:45:13 PM
There's a secret message in the secret message?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 12:59:29 PM
There's a secret message in the secret message?  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Mirian must have really been a genius...

Is Caps gone...Kermit has a question...I have many? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 01:13:59 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O
Nellie
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?back to decoding now Shango

CAPSLOCKWIZARD



My guess is...the one ALE was asking about, but we have lost phones, found phones, broken phones, phones with no credit and throw-a-way phones!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 01:24:38 PM
Sorry vms...logged out without complimenting you on your great sluething skills...

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:00:55 PM
Truthseeker...Found this...

The Governor of Aruba is the representative on Aruba of the Dutch head of state (Queen Beatrix). The governors duties are twofold: he represents and guards the general interests of the Kingdom and is head of the Aruban Government. He is accountable to the Government of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. As the head of the Government, the Governor is immune.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:03:27 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:05:23 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you think?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 02:10:19 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you think?

No, The correct spelling of the god is Rodriguez and not Rodrigues that is the error of the god


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:16:38 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you think?

No, The correct spelling of the god is Rodriguez and not Rodrigues that is the error of the god

ahhh ok Caps.. ya lost me there!!! LOL..

I'm not very good at solving riddles lmao!!!

If you mean Daury Rodriguez, Peter R said he is not involved and he knows the real last name of "Daury".

so, yep, I'm confused. but that's ok.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
When we found some similar links to the Marvel Comics and the names used, I got a hold of a comic book expert and he looked at the Shango riddle and couldn't get anywhere with it. I think I gave him a Boolean headache and I also think he hates me now. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:24:44 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you thin

Rob,

Yes and yes. IMO.

When Merian was posting, some codetalkers were very skeptical of him. Some believed he was Simian, some did not. To the point of splitting threads.

Also, I remembered this morning he had a sig line, while here, from King Kong:
Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.

Do you happen to know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano?



Mum,

Thank you but I got lucky yesterday. I have probably searched for manosalmono at least a hundred times in the past. Also, Rob helped or I would probably still trying to identify those guys today.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:31:17 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you thin

Rob,

Yes and yes. IMO.

When Merian was posting, some codetalkers were very skeptical of him. Some believed he was Simian, some did not. To the point of splitting threads.

Also, I remembered this morning he had a sig line, while here, from King Kong:
Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.

Do you happen to know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano?



Mum,

Thank you but I got lucky yesterday. I have probably searched for manosalmono at least a hundred times in the past. Also, Rob helped or I would probably still trying to identify those guys today.

this email address is the key in my opinion. It links everything.

I don't know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano. I'm sorry and I no longer speak to him.

just for the record Armin said something very strange.. actually a few things that very very very strange.

First I asked him for some info and he told me I am not the person to give you that info.

He was also singing a song by Johnny Cash and changed the lyrics to fit the song and he said that Joran is not the guilty party. And he seemed to know exactly who did it. And he wouldn't give me that info.

in my opinion, Armin knows what happened and the details.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:39:26 PM
Thanks, Rob. Do you know for an absolute fact that Rufo is his father?

I am almost totally convinced that Armin was Simian. I will reserve the right to change my mind though. 8)

Sorry about my errors in posts today. Lack of sleep. I will blame it on that anyway.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:39:50 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

I agree and the correct spelling should be Chango .. If I recall correctly.

vms, I used to think that Gordo and Merian were in fact the same person. what do you thin

Rob,

Yes and yes. IMO.

When Merian was posting, some codetalkers were very skeptical of him. Some believed he was Simian, some did not. To the point of splitting threads.

Also, I remembered this morning he had a sig line, while here, from King Kong:
Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast.

Do you happen to know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano?



Mum,

Thank you but I got lucky yesterday. I have probably searched for manosalmono at least a hundred times in the past. Also, Rob helped or I would probably still trying to identify those guys today.

this email address is the key in my opinion. It links everything.

I don't know if Armin attended Colegio Arubano. I'm sorry and I no longer speak to him.

just for the record Armin said something very strange.. actually a few things that very very very strange.

First I asked him for some info and he told me I am not the person to give you that info.

He was also singing a song by Johnny Cash and changed the lyrics to fit the song and he said that Joran is not the guilty party. And he seemed to know exactly who did it. And he wouldn't give me that info.

in my opinion, Armin knows what happened and the details.


Thanks Rob and vms

All I get from what Caps is saying is the spelling! Seen Rodriquez, Rodriques, Rodriguez and Rodrigues...but that is my logic...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:45:36 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Close Rob!

One Happy Island.com: icqRobles de Medina, Lourdes, Lulu, 17147519, Aruba. Robles de Medina, Marilu, Cherrylips, 16078812, Netherlands. Rodrigues, Nelio Ruben, Nelicpotucus, 7902515 ...
www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp?u=r&i= - 49k 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:46:51 PM



Thanks Rob and vms

All I get from what Caps is saying is the spelling! Seen Rodriquez, Rodriques, Rodriguez and Rodrigues...but that is my logic...LOL

Same here!  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Close Rob!

One Happy Island.com: icqRobles de Medina, Lourdes, Lulu, 17147519, Aruba. Robles de Medina, Marilu, Cherrylips, 16078812, Netherlands. Rodrigues, Nelio Ruben, Nelicpotucus, 7902515 ...
www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp?u=r&i= - 49k 


Oh, I thought he meant Nello as in Nelson O.

I think Merian was way above average, well-read, etc. but I cannot wrap my mind about these messages being that deep. JMO...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
Thanks, Rob. Do you know for an absolute fact that Rufo is his father?

I am almost totally convinced that Armin was Simian. I will reserve the right to change my mind though. 8)

Sorry about my errors in posts today. Lack of sleep. I will blame it on that anyway.  :lol:

I can not say I know that for an absolute fact. I have not seen them together. My research led me to believe that. I started to put somethings together that Armin said and it led me to start researching who was who and I came to the conclusion that Rufo is Armin's father. I could be wrong, it's happened before and we are all wrong every now and then, but I believe this is correct.... he is his father. He knew info that only Rufo would know because he was a retired cop, and Armin told me that his father was a cop, a high ranking cop, and that was how he knew the things he did. maybe I'm wrong and he is not his father = caveat.

Armin used to give me info and I would post it until he told me to stop. He got kinda pissed.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:54:22 PM
Thanks, Rob. Do you know for an absolute fact that Rufo is his father?

I am almost totally convinced that Armin was Simian. I will reserve the right to change my mind though. 8)

Sorry about my errors in posts today. Lack of sleep. I will blame it on that anyway.  :lol:

I can not say I know that for an absolute fact. I have not seen them together. My research led me to believe that. I started to put somethings together that Armin said and it led me to start researching who was who and I came to the conclusion that Rufo is Armin's father. I could be wrong, it's happened before and we are all wrong every now and then, but I believe this is correct.... he is his father. He knew info that only Rufo would know because he was a retired cop, and Armin told me that his father was a cop, a high ranking cop, and that was how he knew the things he did. maybe I'm wrong and he is not his father = caveat.

Armin used to give me info and I would post it until he told me to stop. He got kinda pissed.

Thanks. It would make sense. Maybe Caps can verify. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 02:58:30 PM
how bout this

Nellie = Nello

????????????


Close Rob!

One Happy Island.com: icqRobles de Medina, Lourdes, Lulu, 17147519, Aruba. Robles de Medina, Marilu, Cherrylips, 16078812, Netherlands. Rodrigues, Nelio Ruben, Nelicpotucus, 7902515 ...
www.one-happy-island.com/icq-user.asp?u=r&i= - 49k 


Oh, I thought he meant Nello as in Nelson O.

I think Merian was way above average, well-read, etc. but I cannot wrap my mind about these messages being that deep. JMO...


LOL...he probably did mean Nelson...LOL...haven't given it that much thought!

I wonder who would have been feeding the info to Armin? Any thoughts?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 03:03:42 PM


LOL...he probably did mean Nelson...LOL...haven't given it that much thought!

I wonder who would have been feeding the info to Armin? Any thoughts?

That's why I would love to know if he is related to Rufo...if he was Simian.

But...was Rufo still that connected? I don't know but he had a source. No doubt in my mind anyway...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 03:08:57 PM


LOL...he probably did mean Nelson...LOL...haven't given it that much thought!

I wonder who would have been feeding the info to Armin? Any thoughts?

That's why I would love to know if he is related to Rufo...if he was Simian.

But...was Rufo still that connected? I don't know but he had a source. No doubt in my mind anyway...

It would depend on how long he had been retired and how many of his buddies were still in ALE, I would think! Seems lots of people knew what was going on, maybe it took a while to work out exactly who was posting as Simian...few bits of wrong info here and there


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 03:09:19 PM
vms...


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ARUBARELANTIONSHIPS3.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 03:12:30 PM
Armin called Ronnie Bernadina is his uncle. Said he was a fair man but stern.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 03:16:12 PM
Armin called Ronnie Bernadina is his uncle. Said he was a fair man but stern.


Ronnie - FBI trained...Do you think he is clean Rob?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 03:18:41 PM
Thanks, Rob. Still don't think that is a pic of Rufo...but anyway.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ok, so Papito and Ronnie. Hmmm. Still wonder about the Philadelphia connections > Rizzo and Cohen too...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 03:30:56 PM
Armin called Ronnie Bernadina is his uncle. Said he was a fair man but stern.


Ronnie - FBI trained...Do you think he is clean Rob?

just my opinion Mum, but I don't think any of these cops should be wearing badges


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:01:42 PM
Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.

You are correct...I think the original spelling was CHANGO in mythology or whatever the origins of this story was.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
Sorry to bother everyone...but does anyone remember on Armin's myspace site where he has a friend that spells his last name as Croeze?  He is also there playing with a band and on his site somewhere...he calls Armin  "cuz".  That would fit into the obit I saw posted earlier.  I can't find the link to that myspace right now...sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 04:18:04 PM
Lala's...this one?

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 04:22:07 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 

Marine Croes is supposed to be kin to one of the suspects, I believe it was Guido or GVC.  I keep thinking Guido. Dompig is supposed to be kin to the Kalpoes some way.   Jack b


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 04:23:48 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 04:26:01 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 




Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Marine Croes is supposed to be kin to one of the suspects, I believe it was Guido or GVC.  I keep thinking Guido. Dompig is supposed to be kin to the Kalpoes some way.   Since Steve Croes and Geoffrey Van Cromvroit are such good friends, perhaps Marianne is kin to Steve Croes  on one side and Cores is kin to GVC through one or the other parents.   So young people sometimes claim a "cuz" when it is somehow related by mirrage.   Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 04:28:02 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes




LOL...I asked 10 days ago who Mito Croes was!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:31:08 PM

Now that we have narrowed Armin down to being Simian...would that make Merian Armin also?  If you read Merian...he supports the Simian in his verses...same email...so I am thinking they are the same person.  Armin does not appear to be female as some have thought...we can strike that one too, I guess.

This is pretty much what the monkeys have thought all along...it was someone closely connected to ALE...being fed info...now thinking on that line...when Simian comes out with the "package from the Hague" story and Shango calls him on it...that tell me that ALE knew there was a leak and was trying to find it...wonder what took them so long?

Who is Shango now?  He is known by Armin...I mean Simian...so would that take us back to Gabe?  Remember allyinmiami was friends with Simian and Checkme...this even makes sense when Checkme (which now tells me is and ALE insider for sure) asks Simian ..."are you working tonight?"  He meant in the band most likely.  BTW is that the only job this guy has? 


Caps??  Where does Armin Solognier work?  Surely, one of you contacts would know this.  Help me out here. Does he just play in the band?

Now, back to the 5th suspect...if it is Paulus and Merian is the same person as Simian (we have established that they certainly knew each other if not the same person) why does Merian implicate Freddy?  Merian tells us a few things that Simian did not.


Merian Ernest Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: This yellowhammer has flown her own course
The Babylonians' hands are tied. The owners of the hammer and the block will come down hard. The hours in the glass are 72.

The girl was carried by the Carib on a trip to the Canal. She was swept away on her own.
So they seem to think.

The Picaros are too busy to pull off such a job. It is beyond there scope.

The one crowned with laurels has been turned inside and out. He even asked for forgiveness.

This yellowhammer has flown her own course.


This Merian verse is saying to us that Natalee is gone out to sea...Merian certainly was aware of the Picaro story (drug runners taking her, mafia, etc.) Merian knew they had not done that...we know the seizure story was out there and given Armin's relation to ALE, he had heard this as well. Hmmmm. As I have said he too wishes to distance Joran and the Kalpoes from this crime. I am wondering if anyone has told him the monkeys now know the truth.

It would be nice if he would just tell us who the 5th is and why he wanted Freddy in the picture and why his cousin Steve was so stupid...or if he was paid for that alibi? Yes, Rufo was feeding him info...wonder who was feeding Rufo?  LOL!!!!

I am so happy that so many things we have thought about Simian are turning out to be correct.  This is a big step.


Oh what a tangled web we weave....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:35:15 PM
Lala's...this one?

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier


Yes, thanks!  The guy is Jose Croeze...I was looking around at some other band sites and some photos...lots and lots of photos...and I saw him there in several of them.  Why can't these people spell these names all the same?  I had not seen the Croeze spelling that often.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 22, 2008, 04:41:12 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:41:27 PM
BTW....Kermit pointed at Ronny Bernadina as Dirty Hand once. 

Simian knew there was evidence...he says that Paulus was confronted with the evidence...now that we know this is true...going on the assumption that Armin is the elusive Simian...what was this evidence??  He says he doesn't know if it was from the cars or the house...what was it?

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence. Can’t confirm if it’s from the cars of the house. They needed this to make him talk.



Hey, have any of you guys listened to Armin's music?  Not too shabby.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 04:42:31 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:44:33 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes




LOL...I asked 10 days ago who Mito Croes was!

Yes you did. Now, we find out it is the whisperer....this one I am assuming...

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:09 pm
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:46:38 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.


Thanks.  I saw that. DOH!!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 04:49:22 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS


Are you saying Natalee's killer was...well who are you saying was the killer?  Yes, I am lost again...sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 22, 2008, 04:58:06 PM
Lala's...this one?

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier


Yes, thanks!  The guy is Jose Croeze...I was looking around at some other band sites and some photos...lots and lots of photos...and I saw him there in several of them.  Why can't these people spell these names all the same?  I had not seen the Croeze spelling that often.

Jose Croeze Myspace....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=193482446


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:00:32 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.



Vanishing?  Does he mean those that have suddenly died such as the maid? The guy in the cave?

Is he saying that Freddy framed Joran and the Kalpoes?  Could there have been a vendetta against Paulus? 

Oh boy, do I have more unanswered questions...I have to tell myself...patience. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:01:07 PM
There was a "cheetah something" that posted here... I think we need those posts also.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:02:07 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:03:52 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA

Corrected forgot a name


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:05:05 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:05:08 PM
Hi Pita!  Thanks that's the one...his music isn't too bad either. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:06:17 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.

Would mind asking him to confirm that he is Simian and Merian and then ask him who the 5th suspect is...pretty please?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.

TYVM!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:07:24 PM
There was a "cheetah something" that posted here... I think we need those posts also.



I remember those...good thinking!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:08:09 PM
Caps, do you know a guy named Luis who is connected to the Aruban Government's financial department? could even be the treasurer.

Thanks...

that is Armin's best friend


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:10:52 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:11:30 PM
So it is possible that Paulus was going to visit Simian that next day at the bank or that Simian saw him there that day.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:14:15 PM
Already established that Armin works for the Caribbean Mercantile Bank unless there is another Armin Solognier. It appears to be the same guy, IMO.

I can confirm that is where he works. He emailed me from the office and that was in the header. That's a fact vms.

Would mind asking him to confirm that he is Simian and Merian and then ask him who the 5th suspect is...pretty please?

I haven't spoke to him in a long time... so I don't think he will tell me that anyway.. he wouldn't tell me very many details anyway... details he knew.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:15:29 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Thank you.

The age works. I just need the high school to confirm that he was Simian...for me.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:20:14 PM
So it is possible that Paulus was going to visit Simian that next day at the bank or that Simian saw him there that day.  ::MonkeyShocked::

holy cow.. good thinking


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Thank you.

The age works. I just need the high school to confirm that he was Simian...for me.  :lol:


Now the Father of this Armin

Solognier   Armindo E   9/27/1945   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   from Madiki

This his the Father of Armir Solognier which is an offspring from the OLD MAN that died in 2007





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:26:35 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Caps, this old man?

this says that Armin is related right, but NOT a child...

is that right??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:27:22 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA

Corrected forgot a name


More name Adjustment

Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=??
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=ARMINDO Soglonier
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:29:22 PM




Now the Father of this Armin

Solognier   Armindo E   9/27/1945   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   from Madiki

This his the Father of Armir Solognier which is an offspring from the OLD MAN that died in 2007





Ok. Armindo is Armin's father. That works.

Juan Emiliano Croes is the father of Armindo Solognier? How does that work? Different last names.

What do these words from the obit mean, Caps? 

Swa & cuñanan:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 22, 2008, 05:35:33 PM
I have a Boolean headache just trying to read all of this.  CAPS and Finbar, who is #5??? ::MonkeyConfused::


Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=Lorenzo
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=AMIR
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END
 
I think these where the Rudy Croes Black Team MEMBERS or who-ever this phone belong to, his father for PAPA

Corrected forgot a name


More name Adjustment

Look at the Morse code the there are 5 letter before the end lines

E LPADR E


END
L=??
P=PAPA = Paul Sloot
A=ARMINDO Soglonier
D=DOMPIG
R=RUFO
END






I think I'm getting it.

try this.

elpadre = the fatherS

fathers of the young ones.

this area (the father) talks about the fathers = elders

so we have the right people inserted.

we need the father of someone that starts with an "L"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:36:23 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono10.jpg)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82


**********


Solognier Armindo E
http://arubayp.com/whitesearch.html?name=Solognier

SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm


So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Caps, this old man?

this says that Armin is related right, but NOT a child...

is that right??
Yes not a Child

it comes from the Mother side and that mikes him a cousing or a not to far cousin.

Via the mother they are related


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:39:51 PM
Question, Any one have what Mike Eman said about the Missing teen Natalee in 2005.

I am wonder if he know who the Whisperer on the line was
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 05:41:43 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 


Still waiting on this:



He went to some kind of music school..let me see if I can find that again...I read it a few hours ago.



If it is established he attended Colegio Arubano, I will be sold 100%.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:03:44 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 


Still waiting on this:



He went to some kind of music school..let me see if I can find that again...I read it a few hours ago.



If it is established he attended Colegio Arubano, I will be sold 100%.


I agree.  It all fits so well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:06:04 PM
Well Poop!

Sorry I didn't finish my post...I read that while searching through all that info here yesterday...it was something about his first band...Spanish something was the name...and he said something like...well we all went to music school together...I can't find it now...but I have looked and looked...maybe I don't have the right musician...but it was one of those guys we were looking at yesterday. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 06:06:24 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 


Can you look up Armin or Armindo Solognier, please?

Croes   Armin J   9/25/1959   Aruba   Paradera 175F

BTW, SERO PITA and PARADERA are the same district

and we have

Solognier   Armin E   2/14/1972   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   MADIKI


Thank you.

The age works. I just need the high school to confirm that he was Simian...for me.  :lol:


Now the Father of this Armin

Solognier   Armindo E   9/27/1945   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   from Madiki

This his the Father of Armir Solognier which is an offspring from the OLD MAN that died in 2007





Now Soglonier Armindo died in Colombia and was buried in colombia, He died of Altziemer. This was the father of Amir.

Now for Rufo Solognier. He was a cop and His son is also a Cop. Please research

We need to find the name of the son





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 22, 2008, 06:13:47 PM
I found two
cheetah on January 10th, 2007 6:52 pm
Yeah….may the monkeys Haunt them & ride their backs til they’re face down in the dirt.

cheetah on January 10th, 2007 8:11 pm
Aruba see tourists as crime targets, they steal & drug female tourists so all the ugly local teens can gangrape them.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 06:20:00 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )



it was Amir self that went that night, becuase his Father was in Colombia. his father could not be there with the black team since he was not in Aruba. But his son was there. His son took the job of his Father as a Back team member and are going in acction when called for duty..

LALA He was there... so put that in you book as one of that was there,

So the list is now Amir, Rufo, Dompig, PAPA=Paules, Steve Croes



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 22, 2008, 06:22:03 PM
Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O--Obuber
NellieNelson  Obuber
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?back to decoding now Shango

CAPSLOCKWIZARD



My guess is...the one ALE was asking about, but we have lost phones, found phones, broken phones, phones with no credit and throw-a-way phones!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:38:57 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )



it was Amir self that went that night, becuase his Father was in Colombia. his father could not be there with the black team since he was not in Aruba. But his son was there. His son took the job of his Father as a Back team member and are going in acction when called for duty..

LALA He was there... so put that in you book as one of that was there,

So the list is now Amir, Rufo, Dompig, PAPA=Paules, Steve Croes



So you agree that Simian was trying to distance Joran and the Kalpoes from any involvement?  Are you saying that Armin, himself was involved?  I really need to understand this. Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 06:51:40 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )



it was Amir self that went that night, becuase his Father was in Colombia. his father could not be there with the black team since he was not in Aruba. But his son was there. His son took the job of his Father as a Back team member and are going in acction when called for duty..

LALA He was there... so put that in you book as one of that was there,

So the list is now Amir, Rufo, Dompig, PAPA=Paules, Steve Croes



So you agree that Simian was trying to distance Joran and the Kalpoes from any involvement?  Are you saying that Armin, himself was involved?  I really need to understand this. Thanks.

Lala:

From the big old mand see obit picture we came down to Armindo

Armindo had a son called Armin but Armindo Died in 2006 in Colombia and was buried there. He had a mental desease. Altzimer.

that left then his son Armin.

all the names above knows what happend.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:56:56 PM
I finally agree with you on something. LOL  Indeed they know what happened..no doubt.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 06:58:49 PM
Does anyone think that Checkme could be Clyde Burke?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
Merian Riddle talk about the onces that did the Durty work.

it does not talk about non of them that we were looking at before.

The Kalpoes are the first one that where called in to take place for some of else.

The Babylonians (RUDY CROES-BLACK TEAM) are very confident and grateful, but are very wary. They have been let down by the hammer and block (THE JUDGE SLOOT).  They need the Hindus (THE KALPOES),  but they need more.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 22, 2008, 07:31:54 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )

CAPS, is this the Mito Croes in question?

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 22, 2008, 07:40:05 PM
Ok...why does this

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

not say

EL PADRE (the father)  SOON A NEW TRUTH WILL BE UNVEILED

Was it posted at the time they were interviewing Paulus??  Why is there "code" involved.
Couldn't he just be saying they found out something??

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 22, 2008, 07:46:34 PM
Berndina

Posted by MF on FOB and almost instantly removed:


Posted: Wed Mar 8th, 2006 12:53 am

Bernadina, someone is leaking.

Net na e persona robez, esun cu ta kere cu e ta Dios.


"Just as this person stole, he believed that God was with him."  (translation by whytgirl)

Soko Soko, what are your kids doing?


I have no idea the Soko, Soko part....Caps??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 07:54:20 PM
Ok...why does this

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

not say

EL PADRE (the father)  SOON A NEW TRUTH WILL BE UNVEILED

Was it posted at the time they were interviewing Paulus??  Why is there "code" involved.
Couldn't he just be saying they found out something??

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, that's a very good question...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 09:28:15 PM
Ok...why does this

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

not say

EL PADRE (the father)  SOON A NEW TRUTH WILL BE UNVEILED

Was it posted at the time they were interviewing Paulus??  Why is there "code" involved.
Couldn't he just be saying they found out something??


 ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, that's a very good question...


Ok LALA one more time

The Morse code from Merian, when pass thru a Morse Translater software, you will get ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED but to a person looking at it must thought well I can understand is EL PADRE SOON A NEW TRUTH WILL BE UNVEILED but that was the first direct translate from Mors to Text. The Morese Space are not in the text that means that what is written is just a string of text to be decoded.

Now Nokia phones came out with a program that allows SMS messages to be sent as Morse.

Why would the Message start with EL PADRE and not with The Fater in english and continue in Englsh with spaces.?
Becuse it was meant to be decipher using the Phonetic Morese Aphabet.
The other thing I notice was that the Morse do not follows Rules of Morse coding on Nokia Phones. On Phone all 9 keys have 3 letters and a key to mark the Ends

The person that wrote this want to let us know who the persons are but could not mention names and so he develop this code with the phonetic alphabet. The letter "E" that is a letter used most in a sentance is only used 6 times

From his I use that Letter "E" as we call it END to mark the message its beging and it End

Now to make it simple to write and fill the the names with an Interpretation I use the the Phonetic Alphabet of different countries including the police, Telephone companies to to see which name is used as when fist letter is called

the Letter p=PAPA or PAPI

the Letter U= Uncle in most of the Morse Tables and so it must stand for Uncle.

but we stll need to use Phonetic meaning for the first letter and so by separating the ENDS you can see that the message is hidden in the Morse.

Rewrite the same message from TOP to DOWN format, and you will see the real message to be decoded.

If you seach my post, I did ponted it out at that time but I went on with Shango. I have revisist my notes and this time put some more tought in it and looking at my old morse code software in my old Nokia phone.
 
CAPS



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )

CAPS, is this the Mito Croes in question?

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Yes it is


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 22, 2008, 09:47:38 PM
Ok...why does this

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

not say

EL PADRE (the father)  SOON A NEW TRUTH WILL BE UNVEILED

Was it posted at the time they were interviewing Paulus??  Why is there "code" involved.
Couldn't he just be saying they found out something??

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Buckeye
...Little confused myself...the first time when JE and Caps deciphered it that was exactly what it meant! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 22, 2008, 10:45:36 PM
Caps
I still don't see how anyone would be able to know that on the FP of SM.  Those posters didn't have access to any of those things back then.  How do you figure all this stuff out?  Boy, did I have that wrong. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
Thank you, Caps.  :D

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes




LOL...I asked 10 days ago who Mito Croes was!

Yes you did. Now, we find out it is the whisperer....this one I am assuming...

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:09 pm
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened, but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone. Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax. He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.


Wouldn't a child of the daughter be too young, most likely, if she was born in 79?

So maybe a closer look at the son would be in order since he was born in '66.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 11:22:03 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS


Are you saying Natalee's killer was...well who are you saying was the killer?  Yes, I am lost again...sorry.

Could her father be Dion?  One of her names is close in spelling to his?  Perhaps one of her children is involved.  j/b 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 11:25:54 PM
So does this mean that Armin was part of the cover up or not?  Was everything he said a means to misdirection? 

VMS....I have no problem with declaring Armin as Simian and Merian. The connections are very likley reliable... now to the 5th suspect. 

LALA He Knows but he can not talk. It is his Father that went with the Black Team to do the cleanup that night.

Everyone one that have come so closed to the truth can talk. Poentje knows can talk, Van eem Knows, Can talk, Joran the scapegoat knows, can talk, The Kalpoes are sitting in for someone else, they know and can Talk. Even DeVries can Talk.
MOS Knows but has to put a show to make believe, they are working on this.

Silences.

The reason:?

Being the one who ate (THE ONE THAT NEED TO CARIED IT OUT ) and not the one who warmed (THE ONE THAT PREPARED) the food (THE PLAN).  From the pan into the fire.
The Simian knows the whisperer (MITO CROES).  The heirs of Nikola. All their eyes gleam with the prize.( http://www.mikeeman.com/ )

CAPS, is this the Mito Croes in question?

PARTICIPANTS Winternachten 2007

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Yes it is

He looks like he would be chief (king) of the Tainos.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 22, 2008, 11:40:48 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS

Steve Croes in custody:


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/SteveCroes2-1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 22, 2008, 11:53:11 PM
My error she is not rodriguez nor rodigues.


The god (PROSECUTOR TERESA DIANA CROES FERNANDES PEDRA ) with the misspelled name has led many astray.

I have seen people mispell PEDRA to PETRA and FERNADES to FERNANDEZ

Her real name is in RED

also

I think we have it wrong, In Aruba when the Prosecuter office issue a name to the new paper or radio, they will give first the INITIALS and the initials are alwway in the form of LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME and MIDDLENAME. That format is allways used till today.

BUT SCGJ <=> STEVE CROES xxxx xxxx but Solognier Cesar Gomez

I can be wrong but this is what I have .. I will check with KIA on the name.

Also there was a Solognier that was this saterday driving under the influence and was arrested for DWI,

The driver name is Hubert Solognier. trouble maker.

Will check database on this finding from VMS

Steve Croes in custody:


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/SteveCroes2-1.jpg)

Gives me the impression that he thinks the arrest is funny or that he knows he will not be charged and prosecuted.  Like he is untouchable.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 22, 2008, 11:55:50 PM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 23, 2008, 12:01:45 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

From what I understand his father and Palus are both musicians.  They have played together in some home grown band.  This has been out for well over two years.  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 23, 2008, 12:09:49 AM

Steve Croes in custody:


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/SteveCroes2-1.jpg)

Gives me the impression that he thinks the arrest is funny or that he knows he will not be charged and prosecuted.  Like he is untouchable.  jackb

My impression was he thought of himself like a hero..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 12:36:29 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

After the past few months in here...I don't think any of knows for sure who Steve's father really is. LOL   I heard a musician...a judge...and I forget what else...so I am not sure.  One thing I am fairly certain is if Simian is Armin Solongier ther  is no way he would be implicating his own kin...not even for Paulus...especially not for him...so that tells me that the 5th suspect is not Steve Croes and he is the 4th as I originally thought...but then again that is MOO.  For what it's worth.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 12:39:57 AM
Berndina

Posted by MF on FOB and almost instantly removed:


Posted: Wed Mar 8th, 2006 12:53 am

Bernadina, someone is leaking.

Net na e persona robez, esun cu ta kere cu e ta Dios.


"Just as this person stole, he believed that God was with him."  (translation by whytgirl)

Soko Soko, what are your kids doing?


I have no idea the Soko, Soko part....Caps??

The Translation above is wrong the correct translation is below

Bernadina, someone is leaking

Just to the wrong person, The one that think that he is God.
Stupid Stupid, What are you kids doing?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 12:46:12 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

I was reading back in the archives a few days ago and it was stated that Steve was the "adopted son" of Rufo, and lived with Rufo's son next door to Rufo.  Both parents were said to live in Curacao.  That was different than most of the recent discussions concerning him, so I found that interesting.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 12:50:27 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

From what I understand his father and Palus are both musicians.  They have played together in some home grown band.  This has been out for well over two years.  Jackb


Anyone has the real Initials that Merian the spoke person for the OM when she said that SCGJ was arrested. I tought I saw a "J" in the name.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 12:52:22 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

I was reading back in the archives a few days ago and it was stated that Steve was the "adopted son" of Rufo, and lived with Rufo's son next door to Rufo.  Both parents were said to live in Curacao.  That was different than most of the recent discussions concerning him, so I found that interesting.

Let me check Rufo Address and we can compare.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 23, 2008, 12:52:49 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

I was reading back in the archives a few days ago and it was stated that Steve was the "adopted son" of Rufo, and lived with Rufo's son next door to Rufo.  Both parents were said to live in Curacao.  That was different than most of the recent discussions concerning him, so I found that interesting.

I read everything I could on the events of the 16th-18th and I believe the prominent business man is Paul Van Rijn and they were confusing his info with LVR. I believe Steve's Family lives in Curacao and is in the bottle water business like he personally told a friend of mine.

I am not sure what to make of the rumors of his father being in a band and being involved in Amy Bradleys dissapearance as that one PI stated. I haven't seen anything to back that up nor has that PI said anything since.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 01:09:12 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 01:11:35 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 01:23:00 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.



From the Aruba White pages:

Solognier Filomena Maria     
Macuarima 90 A

Solognier Servando     
Macuarima 38 F-Trai



 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 01:30:31 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.



From the Aruba White pages:

Solognier Filomena Maria     
Macuarima 90 A

Solognier Servando     
Macuarima 38 F-Trai



 


The address of Solognier Servado is wrong. the the of filomena is rght but that is not the wife of Rufo according to the Obit.

Garcia   Hugo M                           10/12/1980   Gorinchem   Macuarina 38F
Garcia, geb. Maduro   Maria L   1/9/1944                     Aruba   Macuarina 38F




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 01:37:34 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.



From the Aruba White pages:

Solognier Filomena Maria     
Macuarima 90 A

Solognier Servando     
Macuarima 38 F-Trai



 


The address of Solognier Servado is wrong. the the of filomena is rght but that is not the wife of Rufo according to the Obit.

Garcia   Hugo M                           10/12/1980   Gorinchem   Macuarina 38F
Garcia, geb. Maduro   Maria L   1/9/1944                     Aruba   Macuarina 38F



Could Filomena be the daughter in law of Rufo?  I'm not sure these addresses would even be considered next door, big difference in numbers.  Caps, Do you have any idea how far apart 165 would be from 90 or 38F?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 23, 2008, 01:44:27 AM
Berndina

Posted by MF on FOB and almost instantly removed:


Posted: Wed Mar 8th, 2006 12:53 am

Bernadina, someone is leaking.

Net na e persona robez, esun cu ta kere cu e ta Dios.


"Just as this person stole, he believed that God was with him."  (translation by whytgirl)

Soko Soko, what are your kids doing?


I have no idea the Soko, Soko part....Caps??

The Translation above is wrong the correct translation is below

Bernadina, someone is leaking

Just to the wrong person, The one that think that he is God.
Stupid Stupid, What are you kids doing?

Thank you


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 02:00:08 AM
Guess what Monkey

Solognier   Rachelle JM               4/26/1982   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rafael R                              7/8/1943   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Rodney R                            4/18/1970   Curacao   Macuarina 165
Solognier   Ruzette JM                1/23/1978   Aruba   Macuarina 165
Solognier, geb. Croes   Rose M   3/27/1945   Aruba   Macuarina 165

These are the the people that live at the adresss above.

Well from the Obit, Rufo is married to Rose Mary which is Solognier Rafael R. they have been born in the same year.

the one from Curacao must be the the father if her mother is from Curacao. I can be wrong.



From the Aruba White pages:

Solognier Filomena Maria     
Macuarima 90 A

Solognier Servando     
Macuarima 38 F-Trai



 


The address of Solognier Servado is wrong. the the of filomena is rght but that is not the wife of Rufo according to the Obit.

Garcia   Hugo M                           10/12/1980   Gorinchem   Macuarina 38F
Garcia, geb. Maduro   Maria L   1/9/1944                     Aruba   Macuarina 38F



Could Filomena be the daughter in law of Rufo?  I'm not sure these addresses would even be considered next door, big difference in numbers.  Caps, Do you have any idea how far apart 165 would be from 90 or 38F?
Nevermind, previous information shows that Filomena was born in 1943, probably not daughter in law.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 02:17:47 AM

Steve Croes in custody:


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/SteveCroes2-1.jpg)

Gives me the impression that he thinks the arrest is funny or that he knows he will not be charged and prosecuted.  Like he is untouchable.  jackb

My impression was he thought of himself like a hero..


Thanks for the Picture. Like I said before, The Law says clearly that any perp that commits a crime or is a suspect of a crime, the HAND are in the back and with HANDCUFFS. Not in the Front. that is a No NO in Dutch Law.

Now if you look to Joran and Steve and Kalpoes, there are in handcusff but for show... they know that they are going home abd are innocent. those that bound them walking with them also knows.

Now look to all aruba real perps issues, are all hand in the back and in handcuffs

it is so funny to see al those violation of the law in these pictures.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 02:23:20 AM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

From what I understand his father and Palus are both musicians.  They have played together in some home grown band.  This has been out for well over two years.  Jackb


Anyone has the real Initials that Merian the spoke person for the OM when she said that SCGJ was arrested. I tought I saw a "J" in the name.


Caps,
I have seen an article where he was listed only with the initials S. C. G. J.
I can't find it now!  I've tried!  I think it may have been a local paper if I remember correctly.  I had not seen it listed that way until recently when I came across that article.  I'll find it when I'm looking for something else.
 :gaah:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 02:24:42 AM
Correction, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 02:34:48 AM
I am so impressed with the progress.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 02:40:08 AM
Correction, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is a Solognier with those initials


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 02:42:57 AM
Correction, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is a Solognier with those initials

Caps,
I think it may have been in Amigoe, but I'm not having any luck searching.  Maybe you can try.  I'm sure what I read was a translated version if that's the paper it was in.  But it was something online.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 03:29:58 AM
I KNOW that I've read those initials in reference to Steve in a news report also, can't find that but I did find this:

 ::MonkeyDance::

Rough translation

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:

-   That he does not know the suspected J.A.P.van der Sloot

-   That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot explained

-   That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

-   That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.
Of what our, ERASMUS and KELLY on oath of office made up warrant, and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 18, 2005 and has been closed.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS       
 
 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.660
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 03:36:35 AM
Correction, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was. ::MonkeyHaHa::

There is a Solognier with those initials





Solognier, Glenda M. - Madon 23A
Solognier, Gregory P. - Cura Cabai 61A


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 04:16:05 AM
I'm starting to get confused with our list of people involved.  Who were the actual party-goers that we have identified as being at the Matty Apartments?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 04:34:53 AM
I'm starting to get confused with our list of people involved.  Who were the actual party-goers that we have identified as being at the Matty Apartments?

Good Morning SS...You are not the only one who is confused - I think I have googled half the population of aruba? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 04:44:26 AM
We had a bunch of people who were supposed to be at the Brickell Bay and then the location changed to the Matty Apartments and now I have no idea who was there that night.  Could we have a new head count?    CAPS, please help us out with this.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 05:08:10 AM
We had a bunch of people who were supposed to be at the Brickell Bay and then the location changed to the Matty Apartments and now I have no idea who was there that night.  Could we have a new head count?    CAPS, please help us out with this.

Julia was one...not sure, but Paulus may have been there?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 07:01:04 AM
These are the guests that I have:

Julia Renfro
John Chemaly, Jr.
Breizen (or another Minister)
Steve Cores
Guido Wever
Joran van der Sloot
Paulus van der Sloot
Deepak Kalpoe
Satish Kalpoe
Freddy whateveryhisnameis
Lorenzo van Rijn
DTKM - the judge with the name we can't spell
an adult Arendz(s)

possibly Koen Gottenbos and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt

Have any of these guests been eliminated and who have we added to the list?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 07:02:06 AM
Caps
I still don't see how anyone would be able to know that on the FP of SM.  Those posters didn't have access to any of those things back then.  How do you figure all this stuff out?  Boy, did I have that wrong. ::MonkeyConfused::

This was fairly new technology in 2005. but we have been told often that Aruba was so far ahead of us in the cell phone technology, so maybe Nokia tested it there first!

Would have made it easier for the pimps and drug dealers to communicate on their disposable phones!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 07:05:47 AM
These are the guests that I have:

Julia Renfro
John Chemaly, Jr.
Breizen (or another Minister)
Steve Cores
Guido Wever
Joran van der Sloot
Paulus van der Sloot
Deepak Kalpoe
Satish Kalpoe
Freddy whateveryhisnameis
Lorenzo van Rijn
DTKM - the judge with the name we can't spell
an adult Arendz(s)

possibly Koen Gottenbos and Geoffrey van Cromvoirt

Have any of these guests been eliminated and who have we added to the list?

SS...Simian said that it was a simple party...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 07:31:30 AM
Trivia for the day...Joran had tennis shoes at home, school and I would guess the Racquet Club...wonder what size they all were?

PDF]
INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL of ARUBA
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
1 pair of tennis shoes to be kept at school for Physical • 6 black or blue erasable pens ... 1 music lined notebook. • 1 Webster’s Dictionary. Fifth Grade ...www.isaruba.com/ps/supply_list/supplies%20list%20grades%20Montessori%20-%20Grade%2012.pdf - Similar pages



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 08:17:01 AM
Vms and Lala’s…found this so far…they appear to be close to each other…maybe only music classes at the music school and all others at Collegio Arubano…then I think they would graduate from Collegio Arubano…

  Collegio Arubano
 Covered by the Secondary Education Foundation Aruba, Vondellaan 14, Oranjestad Aruba, tel: +297 - 822005, collegio@setarnet.aw

I have also seen the Rufo Wever Music School, which appears to be the same one as below

Stichting Arubaanse Muziekschool
Address:   Vondellaan 2 Oranjestad   
Phone:   5822888   
Fax:   5836529   
E-mail:      
Website:       
The task of the Arubaanse Muziekschool (Aruban Music School) is educational and recreational.  They are striving to become the center of music, have information for musicians and keep an archive of musical pieces in Aruba. At this moment A.M.S. has music lessons and courses for students and children. Students are regularly performing in public. Also exchange programs are being stimulated and organized with other music groups.
 

Check out the guys name? Maybe he is the god with the mis-spelled name…LOL

http://www.delbertbernabela.com/d/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=7

1986 - 1995
Faculty, Aruba's national music institute, "Stichting Arubaanse Muziek School".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 08:32:32 AM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.



Vanishing?  Does he mean those that have suddenly died such as the maid? The guy in the cave?

Is he saying that Freddy framed Joran and the Kalpoes?  Could there have been a vendetta against Paulus? 

Oh boy, do I have more unanswered questions...I have to tell myself...patience. 


Freddy knows!  Freddy needs to tell the truth!

Lala's...I think the Ms Dijkoff(may be Ruth) that died was the one that Paulus saw at the bank, Kermit's Bill's place. I believe she died in Holland on 6/18/2005. Some-one else died in aruba that same day....

I thought I saw some-one else with that name at CMB...I don't know if she worked at the bank or if he just saw her there! I don't recall that this was established for sure.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 23, 2008, 09:28:29 AM

Steve Croes in custody:


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/SteveCroes2-1.jpg)

Gives me the impression that he thinks the arrest is funny or that he knows he will not be charged and prosecuted.  Like he is untouchable.  jackb

My impression was he thought of himself like a hero..


Thanks for the Picture. Like I said before, The Law says clearly that any perp that commits a crime or is a suspect of a crime, the HAND are in the back and with HANDCUFFS. Not in the Front. that is a No NO in Dutch Law.

Now if you look to Joran and Steve and Kalpoes, there are in handcusff but for show... they know that they are going home abd are innocent. those that bound them walking with them also knows.

Now look to all aruba real perps issues, are all hand in the back and in handcuffs

it is so funny to see al those violation of the law in these pictures.



Handcuffs in  Front
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/ARU10107201508-big.jpg)
Handcuffs in  Front
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/18212893.jpg)
hand in the back and in handcuffs
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/ArrestingSG.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 23, 2008, 09:33:05 AM
Trivia for the day...Joran had tennis shoes at home, school and I would guess the Racquet Club...wonder what size they all were?

PDF]
INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL of ARUBA
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
1 pair of tennis shoes to be kept at school for Physical • 6 black or blue erasable pens ... 1 music lined notebook. • 1 Webster’s Dictionary. Fifth Grade ...www.isaruba.com/ps/supply_list/supplies%20list%20grades%20Montessori%20-%20Grade%2012.pdf - Similar pages



(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/joranshoes.jpg)

BIG


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 09:42:09 AM
Vms and Lala’s…found this so far…they appear to be close to each other…maybe only music classes at the music school and all others at Collegio Arubano…then I think they would graduate from Collegio Arubano…

  Collegio Arubano
 Covered by the Secondary Education Foundation Aruba, Vondellaan 14, Oranjestad Aruba, tel: +297 - 822005, collegio@setarnet.aw

I have also seen the Rufo Wever Music School, which appears to be the same one as below

Stichting Arubaanse Muziekschool
Address:   Vondellaan 2 Oranjestad   
Phone:   5822888   
Fax:   5836529   
E-mail:      
Website:       
The task of the Arubaanse Muziekschool (Aruban Music School) is educational and recreational.  They are striving to become the center of music, have information for musicians and keep an archive of musical pieces in Aruba. At this moment A.M.S. has music lessons and courses for students and children. Students are regularly performing in public. Also exchange programs are being stimulated and organized with other music groups.
 

Check out the guys name? Maybe he is the god with the mis-spelled name…LOL

http://www.delbertbernabela.com/d/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=7

1986 - 1995
Faculty, Aruba's national music institute, "Stichting Arubaanse Muziek School".


Additional info I have obtained since yesterday is this...Armin most likely would have attended Collegio Arubano, since that is where most everyone that is born there or grows up there goes. I can't relate this to Joran and the school he attends, but thinking about it maybe ISA has different standards than the other schools...I can't address that issue at all. This is the exact quote from my source. Note the difference in spelling of the name...I spelled it the way we have been spelling it when I asked for information.

"As for Armin Solagnier, it is quite possible that he and I were at Colegio Arubano at the same time, it is the only high school of its level on the island."

Then I got this additional info from my source.

"apparently Armin is 35, so he was probably ending Colegio (if he went there) as I was starting."

Going by these statements and knowing KIA opened in 1991... does that not make Armin around 18 years old at that time?  Someone with better math skills than I will have to figure this one out.  Take it for what it's worth.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 09:43:25 AM
Do we have any photos of Joran and the Kalpoes initial arrests?  I seem to remember seeing Joran with his hands behind him at one time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 23, 2008, 10:04:31 AM
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 10:06:23 AM
KIA opened in September of 1990.

Armin is 36 years old now so he would have been 18 years old on the date the prison opened.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 10:19:12 AM
Vms and Lala’s…found this so far…they appear to be close to each other…maybe only music classes at the music school and all others at Collegio Arubano…then I think they would graduate from Collegio Arubano…

  Collegio Arubano
 Covered by the Secondary Education Foundation Aruba, Vondellaan 14, Oranjestad Aruba, tel: +297 - 822005, collegio@setarnet.aw

I have also seen the Rufo Wever Music School, which appears to be the same one as below

Stichting Arubaanse Muziekschool
Address:   Vondellaan 2 Oranjestad   
Phone:   5822888   
Fax:   5836529   
E-mail:      
Website:       
The task of the Arubaanse Muziekschool (Aruban Music School) is educational and recreational.  They are striving to become the center of music, have information for musicians and keep an archive of musical pieces in Aruba. At this moment A.M.S. has music lessons and courses for students and children. Students are regularly performing in public. Also exchange programs are being stimulated and organized with other music groups.
 

Check out the guys name? Maybe he is the god with the mis-spelled name…LOL

http://www.delbertbernabela.com/d/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=7

1986 - 1995
Faculty, Aruba's national music institute, "Stichting Arubaanse Muziek School".


Additional info I have obtained since yesterday is this...Armin most likely would have attended Collegio Arubano, since that is where most everyone that is born there or grows up there goes. I can't relate this to Joran and the school he attends, but thinking about it maybe ISA has different standards than the other schools...I can't address that issue at all. This is the exact quote from my source. Note the difference in spelling of the name...I spelled it the way we have been spelling it when I asked for information.

"As for Armin Solagnier, it is quite possible that he and I were at Colegio Arubano at the same time, it is the only high school of its level on the island."

Then I got this additional info from my source.

"apparently Armin is 35, so he was probably ending Colegio (if he went there) as I was starting."

Going by these statements and knowing KIA opened in 1991... does that not make Armin around 18 years old at that time?  Someone with better math skills than I will have to figure this one out.  Take it for what it's worth.



So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 10:29:13 AM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 10:34:50 AM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Vms...totally agree with you on Armin Solognier...and having seen names similar to Armin(variations), it could be a popular name. and we do know there is two families.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 10:44:23 AM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 10:51:51 AM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL

Now I understand why!  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 11:01:58 AM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL

Now I understand why!  :lol:

 :smt117 = Solongier ha ha ha  :smt081


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 11:04:56 AM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL

Now I understand why!  :lol:

 :smt117 = Solongier ha ha ha  :smt081

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

You know, I am really surprised he never engaged you here on the forum. He knew you were posting here, right?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
You know, I am really surprised he never engaged you here on the forum. He knew you were posting here, right?

I knew he was reading because he was pissed when I posted his words. But, no I didn't know he was posting. What Screen Name was he using?

I asked him to post and he kept saying no in our emails.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
You know, I am really surprised he never engaged you here on the forum. He knew you were posting here, right?

I knew he was reading because he was pissed when I posted his words. But, no I didn't know he was posting. What Screen Name was he using?

I asked him to post and he kept saying no in our emails.

 :lol:  Maybe Merian for one...

I know you didn't know but if he was Merian, he obviously knew who you were here. He was probably enjoying all the attention he was receiving in the Codetalker's threads...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 11:30:33 AM
You know, I am really surprised he never engaged you here on the forum. He knew you were posting here, right?

I knew he was reading because he was pissed when I posted his words. But, no I didn't know he was posting. What Screen Name was he using?

I asked him to post and he kept saying no in our emails.

 :lol:  Maybe Merian for one...

I know you didn't know but if he was Merian, he obviously knew who you were here. He was probably enjoying all the attention he was receiving in the Codetalker's threads...

thanks vms, that's interesting. Yes he knew who I was, after-all we do actually know each other but I didn't know who he was... it's funny.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 11:44:28 AM
You know, I am really surprised he never engaged you here on the forum. He knew you were posting here, right?

I knew he was reading because he was pissed when I posted his words. But, no I didn't know he was posting. What Screen Name was he using?

I asked him to post and he kept saying no in our emails.

 :lol:  Maybe Merian for one...

I know you didn't know but if he was Merian, he obviously knew who you were here. He was probably enjoying all the attention he was receiving in the Codetalker's threads...

thanks vms, that's interesting. Yes he knew who I was, after-all we do actually know each other but I didn't know who he was... it's funny.



I thought it was crazy the other day when you said Merian could have been referring to you in his post about the right wing couple and their ninth trip to Aruba. Now, I am inclined to believe he probably was talking about you since he knew you were posting here. IIRC and I'm fairly certain I do, that comment was not posted in the codetalkers section. He stayed in code mode with us. That's one reason I became disenchanted with him. Also, I think he lost credibility when he became Merian and quit using the name Simian. JMO...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 11:45:03 AM
You know, I am really surprised he never engaged you here on the forum. He knew you were posting here, right?

I knew he was reading because he was pissed when I posted his words. But, no I didn't know he was posting. What Screen Name was he using?

I asked him to post and he kept saying no in our emails.

 :lol:  Maybe Merian for one...

I know you didn't know but if he was Merian, he obviously knew who you were here. He was probably enjoying all the attention he was receiving in the Codetalker's threads...

thanks vms, that's interesting. Yes he knew who I was, after-all we do actually know each other but I didn't know who he was... it's funny.



If he had engaged you at all Rob, then he would have risked giving self away, I think?...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 11:57:31 AM
vms in hindsight it looks like he was posting and you are probably right.

Mum You have a point also, he probably didn't want to risk being exposed.

I'm just not totally certain he is Simian... he could be, but I'm not sure yet. Grande seems to have linked Clyde Burke and that connection makes more sense. I guess we'll see where it all goes next.

I know Armin did not believe Joran was guilty. Wonder how he feels now?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 11:59:29 AM
Correction, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Now if those are the correct Initials

then this must be the correct name to go with them

Solognier   Giovanni CJ   7/13/1967   Aruba   De Vuyst 63A


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 23, 2008, 12:27:09 PM
I cannot claim to have as much experience in codebreaking, but reading about the Solognier possibility made me think of Shango making the post about 'frenchman'...later, he speaks of Doppelganger referencing this Simian....

Just trying to read things in context and considering that Solognier could be the fake...jmo, at the moment.  The posts are in the comment section here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/27/riehl-world-has-interesting-news/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 01:20:51 PM
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 13 OCTOBER 2003 under serial number 30948.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
NO QUARTER GIVEN MANAGEMENT CO. 
 
Business address NAYOSTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  NO QUARTER GIVEN MANAGEMENT CO. 
Date of commencement  6 OCTOBER 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
SOLOGNIER, ARMIN EMORY
Residing in  NAYOSTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 14 FEBRUARY 1972 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  13 OCTOBER 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET HEBBEN EN DRIJVEN VAN EEN IMPRESARIAAT VOOR WAT BETREFT HET EXPLOITEREN EN LEIDEN VAN MUZIKALE GROEPEN EN VAN EEN ADVIESBUREAU OP HET GEBIED VAN MUZIEK, EVENEMENTEN ORGANISATIE EN RECREATIE.
B. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN MARKETINGBUREAU. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=31816


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 01:31:29 PM
I cannot claim to have as much experience in codebreaking, but reading about the Solognier possibility made me think of Shango making the post about 'frenchman'...later, he speaks of Doppelganger referencing this Simian....

Just trying to read things in context and considering that Solognier could be the fake...jmo, at the moment.  The posts are in the comment section here:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/27/riehl-world-has-interesting-news/


The posts by Simian and Merian with the same email address attributed to both are the REAL Simian posts as per my understanding from our all-knowing moderator Klaas.  Now, you have me wondering who that fake one was.  Klaas has said, on more than one occasion, that the fake posts came from the U.S.   I am sure if I have misquoted her she will slap my monkey paws.

I am going out on a limb here (actually I stay on one most days...so I will just move closer to the edge) and say that we have found Simian and Merian Ernest...now to the question it all brings back to the forefront...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 01:39:25 PM
Anyone have the area code/country code for Lala's please?

Armin      ... 588-4699


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 01:40:57 PM
No doubt in my mind now...



5/4/2006 10:25:41 AM
 
asolognier

 
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If you are a Mexican you are automatically an American. Same goes for a Colombian, Jamaican, Brazilian, Trinitarian etc. Regardless if you are a US Citizen or not.

The fact that in the US they have check-boxes for race classification is indicative of their mindset.

By the way, the Minute-Men are pathetic. I bet most of them are friggin' unemployed xenophobic inbred drunken rednecks. 
 
Post : 4 http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah



5/3/2006 2:03:19 PM
 
asolognier

 
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Lo peor es que ellos se llaman "Americans", olvidandose que son por definición Norte Americanos.

Yo los disculpo por ser cochinos imperialistas y asi educaron a sus hijos. Lo peor es que cuando uno aplica para la Universidad o por cualquier cosa te preguntan de que raza eres.

Ser latino no es una raza, es una indicación de idioma. Ser hispano es una indicación de herencia cultural. Si me ven ami no soy moreno y tampoco mulato y tampoco mestizo. Soy un francés blanco y tengo una asendencia de mas de 200 años en el Caribe. 
 
Post : 4 http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah


Babel Fish Translation:
The worse thing is than they are called "Americans", forgetting that they are by North definition American. I excuse them being dirty imperialistic and asi educated their children. The worse thing is than when one applies for the University or by any thing they ask to you of which race you are. To be Latin is not a race, is an indication of language. To be Hispanic is an indication of cultural inheritance. If they see ami me I am not brown and either mulato and either racially mixed. I am a white French and I have a asendencia of but of 200 years in the Caribbean.



More posts here:

http://www.rockero.com/forums/general/general/topics/threads/default.asp?tid=2023&p=2&hlt=11619

http://www.rockero.com/forums/general/general/topics/threads/default.asp?tid=1961&p=5&hlt=10859


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 01:40:59 PM
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 13 OCTOBER 2003 under serial number 30948.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
NO QUARTER GIVEN MANAGEMENT CO. 
 
Business address NAYOSTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  NO QUARTER GIVEN MANAGEMENT CO. 
Date of commencement  6 OCTOBER 2003 
     
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
SOLOGNIER, ARMIN EMORY
Residing in  NAYOSTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 14 FEBRUARY 1972 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  13 OCTOBER 2003 
Authority  FULL 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
A. HET HEBBEN EN DRIJVEN VAN EEN IMPRESARIAAT VOOR WAT BETREFT HET EXPLOITEREN EN LEIDEN VAN MUZIKALE GROEPEN EN VAN EEN ADVIESBUREAU OP HET GEBIED VAN MUZIEK, EVENEMENTEN ORGANISATIE EN RECREATIE.
B. HET EXPLOITEREN VAN EEN MARKETINGBUREAU. 

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=31816

Finaly I got the PAPI BUTTERFLY all started with the Musician


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 01:49:45 PM
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
Babel Fish Translation:
The worse thing is than they are called "Americans", forgetting that they are by North definition American. I excuse them being dirty imperialistic and asi educated their children. The worse thing is than when one applies for the University or by any thing they ask to you of which race you are. To be Latin is not a race, is an indication of language. To be Hispanic is an indication of cultural inheritance. If they see ami me I am not brown and either mulato and either racially mixed. I am a white French and I have a asendencia of but of 200 years in the Caribbean.



Just a few Simian posts that convince me...

Topic: SIMIAN posts (real not fake)

39.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
f*** the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

111.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Not on America just certain attitudes. I am American too. Just a South American.

112.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
TexasBelle you American Imperialist mind is wrapped around it’s own greatness. Now if the Houston Chronicle were as big as Le Monde than I would be impressed.
If you in North America think it’s silly that she might have travelled back to the US. It also seems silly to us in Aruba that she was sold into slavery.
That was my point.
I also hope that Natalee will be found and returned to the US togther with the blood-thristy, a- life-for-ratings media that is so loved.

209.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
There is no such thing as an Aruban native. Like most Arubans I am from a European family that migrated in the late 1700’s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1194.0


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 02:00:09 PM
No doubt in my mind now...



5/4/2006 10:25:41 AM
 
asolognier

 
Offline
 
 RE: mexicanos o hispanos
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are a Mexican you are automatically an American. Same goes for a Colombian, Jamaican, Brazilian, Trinitarian etc. Regardless if you are a US Citizen or not.

The fact that in the US they have check-boxes for race classification is indicative of their mindset.

By the way, the Minute-Men are pathetic. I bet most of them are friggin' unemployed xenophobic inbred drunken rednecks. 
 
Post : 4 http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah



5/3/2006 2:03:19 PM
 
asolognier

 
Offline
 
 RE: mexicanos o hispanos
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lo peor es que ellos se llaman "Americans", olvidandose que son por definición Norte Americanos.

Yo los disculpo por ser cochinos imperialistas y asi educaron a sus hijos. Lo peor es que cuando uno aplica para la Universidad o por cualquier cosa te preguntan de que raza eres.

Ser latino no es una raza, es una indicación de idioma. Ser hispano es una indicación de herencia cultural. Si me ven ami no soy moreno y tampoco mulato y tampoco mestizo. Soy un francés blanco y tengo una asendencia de mas de 200 años en el Caribe. 
 
Post : 4 http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah


Babel Fish Translation:
The worse thing is than they are called "Americans", forgetting that they are by North definition American. I excuse them being dirty imperialistic and asi educated their children. The worse thing is than when one applies for the University or by any thing they ask to you of which race you are. To be Latin is not a race, is an indication of language. To be Hispanic is an indication of cultural inheritance. If they see ami me I am not brown and either mulato and either racially mixed. I am a white French and I have a asendencia of but of 200 years in the Caribbean.



More posts here:

http://www.rockero.com/forums/general/general/topics/threads/default.asp?tid=2023&p=2&hlt=11619

http://www.rockero.com/forums/general/general/topics/threads/default.asp?tid=1961&p=5&hlt=10859

That settles it then...my source sent me this same information along with what I posted...Simian/Merian is Armin.  Hmmmmm.  Now, if he says that Joran is not guilty and the Kalpoes know nothing...I wonder who he thinks is the guilty party?  I am betting it is this 5th suspect...which in Simian speak could be Paulus, Lorenzo, etc.  yet in Merian terms it is Freddy with the hand in the photo. 

Armin played a party at a Lorenzos' home...don't know if it is THE Lorenzo...but I suspect you see a lot at these parties....things you would never dare to speak about out of fear for your life. 

Did we ever determine if Armin was Rufo's son?  I think I have missed that answer.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 02:09:13 PM
Posted by: CapsLockWizard
Quote
Now the Father of this Armin

Solognier   Armindo E   9/27/1945   Aruba   Nayostraat 9   from Madiki

This his the Father of Armir Solognier which is an offspring from the OLD MAN that died in 2007



Posted by: CapsLockWizard
Quote
Now Soglonier Armindo died in Colombia and was buried in colombia, He died of Altziemer. This was the father of Amir.

Now for Rufo Solognier. He was a cop and His son is also a Cop. Please research

We need to find the name of the son


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 02:13:04 PM
So where do you think Simian/Merian was coming from? Was he trying to mislead? Was there a 5th. suspect, another car, an alibi?

I realise those posts were later, but they are a little anti-American. was Armin taking us for a ride all along?

Lala's...I don't think we worked out if he was related to Rufo...I didn't see it!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 02:22:37 PM
vms your above post really seems to seal it. Armin does appear to be Simian and Merian. and WOW, looks like you blew the doors off the master - Grande.

The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt.

vms - right
Grande - wrong - there is a first time for everything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

good work vms, you really did do a good job connecting the dots.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 02:22:45 PM
Vms...Do you recall offhand the last date you saw any activity on his sites, myspace etc. TIA...Just wondering as that last one you posted said last active Oct. 2007!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 02:27:08 PM
Vms...Do you recall offhand the last date you saw any activity on his sites, myspace etc. TIA...Just wondering as that last one you posted said last active Oct. 2007!

Myspace:
Last Login:  4/8/2008

YouTube:
Added: 2 weeks ago


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 02:30:26 PM
vms your above post really seems to seal it. Armin does appear to be Simian and Merian. and WOW, looks like you blew the doors off the master - Grande.

The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt.

vms - right
Grande - wrong - there is a first time for everything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

good work vms, you really did do a good job connecting the dots.

TYVM, Rob.  ::MonkeyDance::


I loved working with Grande!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 02:30:47 PM
Vms...Do you recall offhand the last date you saw any activity on his sites, myspace etc. TIA...Just wondering as that last one you posted said last active Oct. 2007!

Myspace:
Last Login:  4/8/2008

YouTube:
Added: 2 weeks ago



Thank You...So he is still around....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on April 23, 2008, 03:30:35 PM
Awesome work being done around here!  I think all of you have been instrumental in uncovering the identiy of Simian/Merian.  Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 04:22:08 PM
vms your above post really seems to seal it. Armin does appear to be Simian and Merian. and WOW, looks like you blew the doors off the master - Grande.

The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt.

vms - right
Grande - wrong - there is a first time for everything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

good work vms, you really did do a good job connecting the dots.

TYVM, Rob.  ::MonkeyDance::


I loved working with Grande!



Reading Merian Post, It seem more like a Political Agenda. Mito Croes Solution was to give the MEP party this pill and knowingly that an election will be in 4 years, then they will play the Hidden card to destroy MEP and Rudy Croes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 04:29:20 PM
I think he played both sides, But the primate is not him. The killer is one in the the telephone List.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 04:44:04 PM
I think he played both sides, But the primate is not him. The killer is one in the the telephone List.





I do not understand what you are saying, Caps.

The primate is not who?
What phone list?

TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 05:02:05 PM
I think he played both sides, But the primate is not him. The killer is one in the the telephone List.





I do not understand what you are saying, Caps.

The primate is not who?
What phone list?

TIA

I can say this, or maybe I am Wrong but IP Spoofing is easy in Aruba,

Now for this in Aruba we do not have dedicated IP's like the in the States.

All the ADLS boxes in Aruba defualt gate way is 192.168.1.1 and connect to a server for authentication.

at that point the IP is SET and when exit or turnoff, the IP is recyccled again.

Some time you will get a 209.xx.xx.xx IP or a 199.xx.xx.xx

but the Ip that I have yesterday is not the same IP but the luky is that most of the time you will get this group IP
that are there when the system is almost full in use.

The only way he will get the same IP if he is using a Static lease line from setar


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
I think he played both sides, But the primate is not him. The killer is one in the the telephone List.





I do not understand what you are saying, Caps.

The primate is not who?
What phone list?

TIA

I can say this, or maybe I am Wrong but IP Spoofing is easy in Aruba,

Now for this in Aruba we do not have dedicated IP's like the in the States.

All the ADLS boxes in Aruba defualt gate way is 192.168.1.1 and connect to a server for authentication.

at that point the IP is SET and when exit or turnoff, the IP is recyccled again.

Some time you will get a 209.xx.xx.xx IP or a 199.xx.xx.xx

but the Ip that I have yesterday is not the same IP but the luky is that most of the time you will get this group IP
that are there when the system is almost full in use.

The only way he will get the same IP if he is using a Static lease line from setar


Ok, I understand what you are saying about static versus dynamic IP but who are we tracing by IP?  :lol:

Merian's IP is not available so it cannot be matched to Simian's.
Per Klaas, Simian and Merian used the same email address to post so that's all we have to go on...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 05:30:01 PM
One thing that come out of the Merian post is the he talks about the Simian like he is an evil thing and why would he talk about himself.

do not make sense.

Merian post is political pill that help save the MEP. but I wonder why they did it. unless there is another agenda at steak here.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 05:47:59 PM
One thing that come out of the Merian post is the he talks about the Simian like he is an evil thing and why would he talk about himself.

do not make sense.

Merian post is political pill that help save the MEP. but I wonder why they did it. unless there is another agenda at steak here.



yesterday I asked you if you know of a man named Luis that works in Aruba's financial area and in the government, possible as the treasurer or in the treasurer dept. When we know his last name we will then know a possible motive for Merian. Luis and Armin are best friends.

Is there a Luis Oduber working there?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 06:01:45 PM
VMS and Rob -

Great work!!! ::MonkeyWink::   I am really impressed with what you have uncovered.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 06:04:38 PM
I think we need to establish which political party the Sloots belong to. I would imagine it is the MEP and after everything they did for them it looks pretty apparent, but I don't want to assume. I want to know the facts. When the Security Guards were being framed, it was murder, when it's the Sloots Natalee becomes a missing person again. That could only have happened when Nel Oduber returned from Florida.

I think we need to know the political affiliation and we will have a key to why the players / poster did what they did.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 06:06:22 PM
VMS and Rob -

Great work!!! ::MonkeyWink::   I am really impressed with what you have uncovered.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

vms did it all... He was right under my nose for three years and I didn't get it...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good to see you SS  :eye:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 23, 2008, 06:16:13 PM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 23, 2008, 06:19:54 PM
"The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt."

Rob the fact that they used the same email address just means that they know each other.
If it was the same IP then that would just mean they live in the same house.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 06:20:29 PM
One thing that come out of the Merian post is the he talks about the Simian like he is an evil thing and why would he talk about himself.

do not make sense.

Merian post is political pill that help save the MEP. but I wonder why they did it. unless there is another agenda at steak here.



yesterday I asked you if you know of a man named Luis that works in Aruba's financial area and in the government, possible as the treasurer or in the treasurer dept. When we know his last name we will then know a possible motive for Merian. Luis and Armin are best friends.

Is there a Luis Oduber working there?

I skipped me to check that

I will check right now and see the Directie Finance

I know a Luis Odeuber that used to own a Criyoy Restaurant in Aruba.
Now I will check with source on Directie Finance employee List.

lets make sure.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 23, 2008, 06:28:08 PM
"The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt."

Rob the fact that they used the same email address just means that they know each other.
If it was the same IP then that would just mean they live in the same house.



Edit to add exept Aruba hey have many IP's this is just one poster from Aruba look at all the IP's

201.xxx.28.# (Setarnet)
66.xxx.203.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA
199.x.84.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 06:42:53 PM
"The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt."

Rob the fact that they used the same email address just means that they know each other.
If it was the same IP then that would just mean they live in the same house.

Hi Blonde, I didn't say no doubt, just very little.  ::MonkeyWink::

I doubt that they were IP spoofing. But who knows.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 23, 2008, 06:46:11 PM
"The fact that both used the same email address leaves very little doubt."

Rob the fact that they used the same email address just means that they know each other.
If it was the same IP then that would just mean they live in the same house.



Edit to add exept Aruba hey have many IP's this is just one poster from Aruba look at all the IP's

201.xxx.28.# (Setarnet)
66.xxx.203.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA
199.x.84.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)


an IP is like your personal phone number, and imagine if your phone number changed everyday. That would be terrible. But with an IP you do not need to have the number known as the central office does all the switching. So, it's like a phone number that you do not need to know the number to reach you - it happens automatically... (short version.)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 10:15:14 PM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 10:35:39 PM
I dunno what it says, Mum.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono11.jpg) (http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=285)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 10:39:37 PM
I dunno what it says, Mum.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono11.jpg) (http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=285)

Thanks vms...will run it through the translator!

Hope there is not two!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on April 23, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 10:44:21 PM
Vms...any thoughts on who Armin was getting his info from, if not Rufo?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 10:47:05 PM
Vms...any thoughts on who Armin was getting his info from, if not Rufo?  TIA

No clue, Mum.

I've been wondering today if knowing who he was (if we do...) even serves any purpose.  :smt102


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 10:48:29 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

My guess ISA Max?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 10:53:49 PM
From a reliable source:

"Armin Solagnier is the son of Rina and Armindo Solagnier. Rina Solagnier works at CMB and is some kind of big wig there.


youngest sister's name is Nizana Solagnier. She was Carnival youth queen. Sometime in the 1990s, I think."


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 10:55:21 PM
Vms...any thoughts on who Armin was getting his info from, if not Rufo?  TIA

No clue, Mum.

I've been wondering today if knowing who he was (if we do...) even serves any purpose.  :smt102


Regardless, congrats are in order for you!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 23, 2008, 10:57:08 PM
My source:

Question: Is Armin's father deceased?
Answer: yes. died last year.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 11:01:51 PM
Vms...any thoughts on who Armin was getting his info from, if not Rufo?  TIA

No clue, Mum.

I've been wondering today if knowing who he was (if we do...) even serves any purpose.  :smt102


Same here...I went full circle back to my thoughts of yesterday on the posts!

Had a few doubts earlier today!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 11:06:08 PM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 11:06:25 PM
Vms...any thoughts on who Armin was getting his info from, if not Rufo?  TIA

No clue, Mum.

I've been wondering today if knowing who he was (if we do...) even serves any purpose.  :smt102


Same here...I went full circle back to my thoughts of yesterday on the posts!

Had a few doubts earlier today!

Oh No, Mum! Just so there are not two Armins. :lol:
I don't really have any doubt now but I know others will...


Thanks, lala's, but it was a collaborative effort.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 11:10:10 PM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)


Thank You Caps...does that say a Wever is related?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 11:16:59 PM
Mum,

If you can open a pdf file, I embedded the link in the pic. You can click the pic and open the paper. I think it may be an obit for another person where you are seeing Wever...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 23, 2008, 11:19:56 PM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)


Translate:

URATACA CENTER

In the name of its Manager Duque Croeze and his family,
would like to send our sincere condelence to the Famaly and friends of

Sr. ARMINDO Solognier

That Armindo rest in peace and a lot of strengt to Rina, Armin, Indira and Nizana.

Also we like to anounce that Urataka Center is closed on Tuesday, October 9, 2007






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 11:21:23 PM
Mum,

If you can open a pdf file, I embedded the link in the pic. You can click the pic and open the paper. I think it may be an obit for another person where you are seeing Wever...

Thanks vms...I will give it a shot!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 23, 2008, 11:27:24 PM


Translate:

URATACA CENTER

In the name of its Manager Duque Croeze and his family,
would like to send our sincere condelence to the Famaly and friends of

Sr. ARMINDO Solognier

That Armindo rest in peace and a lot of strengt to Rina, Armin, Indira and Nizana.

Also we like to anounce that Urataka Center is closed on Tuesday, October 9, 2007






Thank you, Caps.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 23, 2008, 11:41:27 PM


So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL

I am wondering at this point with all the close names.....if.....there is an illegal driver's licencing scam going  in order to falsify passports, etc.  This is just too crazy.  Who are the missing people who have similar names and have had their ID stolen and reused by those who do not belong where they are?  This ID in the hands of forgers with the right equipment, such as an illegal operation can have no limits to the names they used of the dead and living.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 23, 2008, 11:46:56 PM
No doubt in my mind now...



5/4/2006 10:25:41 AM
 
asolognier

 
Offline
 
 RE: mexicanos o hispanos
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If you are a Mexican you are automatically an American. Same goes for a Colombian, Jamaican, Brazilian, Trinitarian etc. Regardless if you are a US Citizen or not.

The fact that in the US they have check-boxes for race classification is indicative of their mindset.

By the way, the Minute-Men are pathetic. I bet most of them are friggin' unemployed xenophobic inbred drunken rednecks. 
 
Post : 4 http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah



5/3/2006 2:03:19 PM
 
asolognier

 
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 RE: mexicanos o hispanos
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Lo peor es que ellos se llaman "Americans", olvidandose que son por definición Norte Americanos.

Yo los disculpo por ser cochinos imperialistas y asi educaron a sus hijos. Lo peor es que cuando uno aplica para la Universidad o por cualquier cosa te preguntan de que raza eres.

Ser latino no es una raza, es una indicación de idioma. Ser hispano es una indicación de herencia cultural. Si me ven ami no soy moreno y tampoco mulato y tampoco mestizo. Soy un francés blanco y tengo una asendencia de mas de 200 años en el Caribe. 
 
Post : 4 http://www.garageband.com/artist/drivebymessiah


Babel Fish Translation:
The worse thing is than they are called "Americans", forgetting that they are by North definition American. I excuse them being dirty imperialistic and asi educated their children. The worse thing is than when one applies for the University or by any thing they ask to you of which race you are. To be Latin is not a race, is an indication of language. To be Hispanic is an indication of cultural inheritance. If they see ami me I am not brown and either mulato and either racially mixed. I am a white French and I have a asendencia of but of 200 years in the Caribbean.



More posts here:

http://www.rockero.com/forums/general/general/topics/threads/default.asp?tid=2023&p=2&hlt=11619

http://www.rockero.com/forums/general/general/topics/threads/default.asp?tid=1961&p=5&hlt=10859

And like most of the world....dreams of the day he can land is azz on North American soil and leech his way to glory.           jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 23, 2008, 11:48:49 PM



So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL

I am wondering at this point with all the close names.....if.....there is an illegal driver's licencing scam going  in order to falsify passports, etc.  This is just too crazy.  Who are the missing people who have similar names and have had their ID stolen and reused by those who do not belong where they are?  This ID in the hands of forgers with the right equipment, such as an illegal operation can have no limits to the names they used of the dead and living.   Jackb


Sounds sort of familiar jackb, liitle late for me to think too hard...will see what I can find in the morning!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 12:03:42 AM
Awesome work being done around here!  I think all of you have been instrumental in uncovering the identiy of Simian/Merian.  Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Remember Shango said, as he was pizzed at Simian he would be the 47th?  Read that part.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 01:45:39 AM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)

The answer could be TWO or three  people.  Giovanni C J Solognier and Geoffrey Cromvroit.  Both, of course has the GC and GCJS  and Steve Croes.
There were probably three.  If the party where the picture is of Julie and her beau in the purple shirt.  Cromvroit was there.  He may have taken the place of Bill, his daddy.  and of cour Giovanni CJ Solognier.  I do not believe one person killed her.  More than one assisted and Cromvroit may have used his weapon on the last deal, as that way none of them could tell on each other.
Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 03:11:29 AM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)

The answer could be TWO or three  people.  Giovanni C J Solognier and Geoffrey Cromvroit.  Both, of course has the GC and GCJS  and Steve Croes.
There were probably three.  If the party where the picture is of Julie and her beau in the purple shirt.  Cromvroit was there.  He may have taken the place of Bill, his daddy.  and of cour Giovanni CJ Solognier.  I do not believe one person killed her.  More than one assisted and Cromvroit may have used his weapon on the last deal, as that way none of them could tell on each other.
Jackb

Then you could have 5 people, equally responsible whose names start with GCJS.  All can be the 5th suspects, as well. (GCJS)  Depends how you count from what arrests as either detainments or named crimes or even falsely arresting the first two (assuming they had no part.)  That is not to say others did not commit outrageous crimes on or against NH and this includes PVS and others who were there and participated, watched or took some minor or major part by covering this up, no seeking justices, etc.

Joran
Guido
Geoffrey
Giovanni
Steve


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 03:51:43 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.




Good Morning Caps...how many Luis Odubers are there? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 04:00:47 AM



So do we have an Armin Solognier AND an Armin Solagnier?  And why would that not surprise me?

What does Finbar say?...a vowel here and there...

Who knows? There may be an Armin Solognier and an Armin Solagnier, as we have seen both family names in Aruba. However, we know the one we are interested in is Armin Solognier. Everything we have links directly to him. IMO, the most likely explanation is that the "source" inadvertently spelled it as Solagnier.

Hi vms, I have been saying for a while now that the Sologniers are the correct people. I think I stated that to Finbar more than once. I was trying to point everyone in the right direction. LOL

I am wondering at this point with all the close names.....if.....there is an illegal driver's licencing scam going  in order to falsify passports, etc.  This is just too crazy.  Who are the missing people who have similar names and have had their ID stolen and reused by those who do not belong where they are?  This ID in the hands of forgers with the right equipment, such as an illegal operation can have no limits to the names they used of the dead and living.   Jackb


Sounds sort of familiar jackb, liitle late for me to think too hard...will see what I can find in the morning!

Fact -1 Rudy Croes has 41 Colombians Sicarios with Dutch Passport.
Fact -2 Ruddy Croes Cousin is in the Driver License Gate.
Fact -3 Today 4 person arrested in the Laboratory Gate.

On Armin, He played both side to have access to Dr. Mito Croes, He picked his brain for the Sloots. and then tried to misdirect to search and it was via his lies that they were searching in the wrong places. The Time they spend on the Salinja was a waste of time. but it was on his direction.

I do not think Dr. Mito Croes Knows this.

Natalee died in may and the MEP part was in the Government, then came the election and MEP was re-elected.

Those Sologniers are MEP, and Armin is a Judas. it was the big Cacuique from Macuarima that was a pure AVP. but Armin was playing both side. The MEP for the sloots and the AVP part to access to Dr. Mito Croes.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 04:04:48 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.




Good Morning Caps...how many Luis Odubers are there? ::MonkeyConfused::

Oduber   Luis E   11/26/1948   Aruba
Oduber   Luis H   9/15/1961   Aruba
Oduber   Luis H   1/6/1934   Pto Cumarebo
Oduber   Luis H   10/25/1965   Aruba
Oduber   Luis OvdV   8/21/1954   Maracaibo

Now who work at the Financial Department will have to check later


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 04:06:40 AM
be back by 9:00 am

Night all


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 04:11:02 AM
I need all Info about the KING becasue he is the man


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 04:26:26 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.




Good Morning Caps...how many Luis Odubers are there? ::MonkeyConfused::

Oduber   Luis E   11/26/1948   Aruba
Oduber   Luis H   9/15/1961   Aruba
Oduber   Luis H   1/6/1934   Pto Cumarebo
Oduber   Luis H   10/25/1965   Aruba
Oduber   Luis OvdV   8/21/1954   Maracaibo

Now who work at the Financial Department will have to check later


None around Armin's age! Maybe Rob will have some idea how old he is!

Going back to bed after a couple of posts. Sure I'll be back by then!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 04:31:01 AM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)

The answer could be TWO or three  people.  Giovanni C J Solognier and Geoffrey Cromvroit.  Both, of course has the GC and GCJS  and Steve Croes.
There were probably three.  If the party where the picture is of Julie and her beau in the purple shirt.  Cromvroit was there.  He may have taken the place of Bill, his daddy.  and of cour Giovanni CJ Solognier.  I do not believe one person killed her.  More than one assisted and Cromvroit may have used his weapon on the last deal, as that way none of them could tell on each other.
Jackb


Thank you for the light bulb jackb...I have got to find that Dutch article on Gottfreid/Godfreid van S., and I think I can...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 04:40:21 AM
Vms…Very clever with link…Would you believe I just had that paper up a couple of days back, looking for something! Not sure how I missed the name Solognier, as I searched enough on it! I never did find what I was looking for that day, but did see it last night. So Thanks again!

You would be surprised how many things I search for that show up in the same editions of that paper! The 2004 one of Freddy Zedan, I’ve pulled that up before for other things and now this one.

Started to check a couple of weeks back and see just how many editions were still online, but they load too slow and I finally gave up!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 24, 2008, 05:33:14 AM
I don't want to spoil the celebration, but...  if Giovanni C J Solognier is the killer then he must also be the 5th.  Where does Steve Croes fit into all of this?  Was he just arrested for giving the false alibi, or were there two people at the party with initials SGCJ?  I'm a little confused with this point.  Talk to me like a three year old - I've had a long day!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Hi SS..left you a post in NAH…long, hard day here too…

My money is still on Freddy…with a window open on Lorenzo.

Armin’s parties at ‘a’ Lorenzo’s has me thinking!

Not sure how Caps came up with Giovanni… ::MonkeyConfused::

Or how he is convinced Armin’s dad died in Columbia, need an obit!


Mum:

Here is what was posted on the day he died. Solo News Paper. e died in Colombia and he died not recognizing not of the famalies.

On the day of his dead, Urataca center closed his door for resoect to the Famaly

Here is it is.

(http://)

The answer could be TWO or three  people.  Giovanni C J Solognier and Geoffrey Cromvroit.  Both, of course has the GC and GCJS  and Steve Croes.
There were probably three.  If the party where the picture is of Julie and her beau in the purple shirt.  Cromvroit was there.  He may have taken the place of Bill, his daddy.  and of cour Giovanni CJ Solognier.  I do not believe one person killed her.  More than one assisted and Cromvroit may have used his weapon on the last deal, as that way none of them could tell on each other.
Jackb

Then you could have 5 people, equally responsible whose names start with GCJS.  All can be the 5th suspects, as well. (GCJS)  Depends how you count from what arrests as either detainments or named crimes or even falsely arresting the first two (assuming they had no part.)  That is not to say others did not commit outrageous crimes on or against NH and this includes PVS and others who were there and participated, watched or took some minor or major part by covering this up, no seeking justices, etc.

Joran
Guido
Geoffrey
Giovanni
Steve



149.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Kalpoes know nothing. They will remain locked up for lying and obstructing the investigation.
Did I say something about a blue van? I don’t think so.
However, I feel CheckMe is jumping on my bandwagon. E ta OK swa…
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151.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. [nobody?]He has answers too.
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Did you ever ask your buddies to cover for you? Would they? Did they ever? Would they do it if they really knew what went on?
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Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher? [cool and crazy guy]
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Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 05:47:04 AM
Does anyone know anything about Giovanni Solognier?  How old is he?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 07:57:02 AM
Hi, I'm not sure that Luis' last name is Oduber. I took a shot with that name based on some research and it could be wrong. I do know that the first name is Luis.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on April 24, 2008, 09:34:43 AM
Awesome work being done around here!  I think all of you have been instrumental in uncovering the identiy of Simian/Merian.  Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Remember Shango said, as he was pizzed at Simian he would be the 47th?  Read that part.  j/b

Do you mean this???


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
Hi, I'm not sure that Luis' last name is Oduber. I took a shot with that name based on some research and it could be wrong. I do know that the first name is Luis.

Any Luis (mid-thirties) who works in Finance. Is that correct, Rob?

I want to know who the best friend is now too. Most interested in how Armin was/is connected...

Good morning all.  :)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 10:35:28 AM
Does anyone know anything about Giovanni Solognier?  How old is he?   ::MonkeyConfused::


SS…I may come across it…I am back on page 32 where Caps first mentioned Armin’s Dad dying in Columbia. Would have saved me a whole lot of reading back if the obit and been posted then…LOL

Good Morning all…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 10:39:51 AM
Hi, I'm not sure that Luis' last name is Oduber. I took a shot with that name based on some research and it could be wrong. I do know that the first name is Luis.

Any Luis (mid-thirties) who works in Finance. Is that correct, Rob?

I want to know who the best friend is now too. Most interested in how Armin was/is connected...

Good morning all.  :)

Good Morning vms, he was described to me as working as the treasurer. But that's not correct. I looked for the treasurer before and the person was not named Luis. I am just guessing he works in the treasury. Armin works at the bank and in finance so I would imagine his friends are in a similar profession.

I believe Luis is about the same age as Armin. Mid 30's. I have his picture in my phone, but it's not connected to the internet any longer and I'm not calling T Mobile to just send the pic to my email and then to photobucket. If we find a picture of this guy I will look at the pic and see if it's him or not.

Luis is not in the bands Armin is in.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
What about Joran and the Kalpoes?  Where do they fit?

 Oh, sorry...I forgot this is Simian and Shango and they clearly do not want those 3 to be guilty of anything...maybe I am becoming cynical...I don't mean to be...but I just feel it important to remember who the last people were with Natalee that night and the narrow time frame we have to work with....slinking back into my corner.


What about Paulus?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 10:44:06 AM
Hi, I'm not sure that Luis' last name is Oduber. I took a shot with that name based on some research and it could be wrong. I do know that the first name is Luis.

Any Luis (mid-thirties) who works in Finance. Is that correct, Rob?

I want to know who the best friend is now too. Most interested in how Armin was/is connected...

Good morning all.  :)

Good Morning vms, he was described to me as working as the treasurer. But that's not correct. I looked for the treasurer before and the person was not named Luis. I am just guessing he works in the treasury. Armin works at the bank and in finance so I would imagine his friends are in a similar profession.

I believe Luis is about the same age as Armin. Mid 30's. I have his picture in my phone, but it's not connected to the internet any longer and I'm not calling T Mobile to just send the pic to my email and then to photobucket. If we find a picture of this guy I will look at the pic and see if it's him or not.

Luis is not in the bands Armin is in.

Thanks.

I want to make sure Caps knows who/what we are looking for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 10:47:35 AM
I *think* his nickname might be Chito. That's what got me to Chito Oduber. I kinda stumbled on to Oduber (the one accused of assaulting the maid or a former GF) when looking for Luis (Chito).

Armin calls him Chito.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 10:52:33 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono12.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 24, 2008, 10:58:59 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.


Caps do you mean this guy who changed his name Ben Vocking/Ben king?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/BenVocking.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
Derrick is in finance also...


Oranjestad, Aruba, July 5, 2005

Photo above from right to left (photo below from left to right) around the table:
the Commission Macro Model members: Andy Lee, Directeur Centraal Central Bureau of Statistics; Derrick Werleman, Finance Department; Giantcarlo Croes, Central Bank Aruba; Rogier Reijerse, Curalyse expert; Roslyn Vrolijk, interim Head National Accounts CBS; Henry Koolman, AIB Economic and Financial Services N.V; Jorge Ridderstaat,Central Bank Aruba; Maria Dijkhoff-Pita, Director Department Economic Affairs, Commerce and Industry (DEACI) president CMM commission; Chantal Ecury, staff-worker DEACI, Counterpart; Bas van Tuijl (MMC); standing: Esther Willems, staff worker,Counterpart (DEACI); photographer: Marein van Schaaijk (MMC). CMM members that were not able to attend the meeting: Marielsa Croes, Aruba Investment Bank Economic and Financial Services N.V.; Peter Auwerda, Department of Taxes; Ben Marapin, Social Economic Counsil.

http://www.micromacroconsultants.com/Engels/Who%20is%20MMC/Photos4.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 24, 2008, 11:04:44 AM
Ben King: Poor Judgement Or Cover-Up in Natalee Holloway Case
I was and still am a bit leary of this report on corruption in the Dutch justice system in Aruba: some facts appear to be incorrect. For instance, Paul(us) v d Sloot is not a "high-ranking official."

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .

In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with.

King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

However, I do find it curious that an official so close to the PM would 1) change his name and 2) exercise such poor judgement in the Natalee Holloway case that it now appears he has taken a vacation and, from all appearances, will continue to be of assistance or support to the Van der Sloot's in some way.

An article I found in Dutch - scroll down to fifth article - looked curious, so I asked Begga from Hasibokos to translate.

Translation: The Public Ministry (Aruban prosecutor's office) affirmed that Ben King, head of the support division of the Attorney General, was present at the house of the Van der Sloot family when it was being searched Thursday last week.

Spokesperson Marianne Croes, of the prosecutor's office: “King was and is on holiday. He was indeed not present on behalf of the PM (during the search of the van der Sloot estate)” The spokesperson doesn’t want to comment on the various observations that find it strange that a member of the PM was present at the house of the suspects family while the search took place.

Sources within the PM affirm however that the PM as a whole is not happy at all with the actions of Ben King, because this may raise doubts with regard to the impartiality of the ministry. .

King himself says that he and his family have been good friends with the Van der Sloots for some years now. Paul van der Sloot also worked for the PM in the past. King: “A few years ago, when I was working at KIA (local prison), I was maltreated by a prisoner and went through a rough period during which the Van der Sloot family provided us with fantastic support. We want to do the same for them now. But I realize naturally that I cannot stand at both sides on the line.”

And because of this King took some time off from his job to be able to support his friends. King: “It is a small island where conclusions are drawn very fast.” Both Public Ministry and I realize that we have to remain cool-headed. At the same time I have my rights as private-citizen and I want to support my friends in this difficult period.” Ben King was formerly named Vocking, he changed his name a few months ago and his name is now officially King. http://tinyurl.com/5rxd3w




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 11:09:51 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono12.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that is him... but I need a picture of Dede to make sure. I think he looks like the guy on the left. The guy on the right is definitely not him and the guy in the middle is certainly Armin.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 11:11:26 AM
vms, my friends were married in that building and were the last people married there. They don't use that building anymore. That building in right around the corner from Cafe Chaos where Armin plays often.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:12:52 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.


Caps do you mean this guy who changed his name Ben Vocking/Ben king?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/BenVocking.jpg)


Blonde...IIRC this is not Ben Vocking.  JE found some pics and I think we determined it was not him. This guy is a pastor, I think. Will look later in the old thread and see if I can find it for some-one to post.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:18:20 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono12.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that is him... but I need a picture of Dede to make sure. I think he looks like the guy on the left. The guy on the right is definitely not him and the guy in the middle is certainly Armin.

Is Dede Derrick? I can't tell...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 11:20:35 AM
I'm looking at the picture on my phone and that is him on the left. I'm sure.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 11:21:50 AM
Yes vms, Dede is Derrick and I have met him also. That's him on the right. I'm sure. I think he had longer hair when I saw him in 05.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:25:06 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono8.jpg)

Ok, I'm totally confused. He looks more like the guy on the left to me.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono12.jpg)

Good day all,

DID called Directie Finance and Island Finance and ask the secretaries to connect me to Luis Oduber,

Both places do not have a Luis Oduber Worken there.

I see now that the person we look for is Chito,

I will check now for Chito.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:31:22 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/DerrickWerleman.jpg) (http://www.reverbnation.com/wildfirearuba)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
vms, neither of those guys above are Luis. I do notice in the picture on my phone (and the picture is not very good, not high quality) that Luis seems to have some gray streaks in his hair.

When was the Dede wedding? My friends were married there in July of 05. We were there and I have a bunch of pics that I would have to scan and load, and I'm not sure they would do anything to help.

I do know that my friends were the last people married there because we were told that the building was going to be renovated and used for another function. It's an original bldg and has been on Aruba since the 1700 or 1800's


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 11:34:19 AM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.


Caps do you mean this guy who changed his name Ben Vocking/Ben king?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/BenVocking.jpg)


Blonde...IIRC this is not Ben Vocking.  JE found some pics and I think we determined it was not him. This guy is a pastor, I think. Will look later in the old thread and see if I can find it for some-one to post.

Yes that is one

King Kong hangs from Building
Spider man Hangs From Building
Now I need in the group of these kids, who practice in door Mounten Climbing. can be on the beach where they perform this sport.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:37:01 AM
Rob,

The pic is on his myspace. I don't see a date associated with it...

http://www.myspace.com/arminsolognier 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 11:37:44 AM
vms, maybe I am wrong and that is Dede. Luis looks very similar.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:51:05 AM
vms, maybe I am wrong and that is Dede. Luis looks very similar.

I understand.

The way the pic is labeled is confusing too.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 24, 2008, 12:08:19 PM
Is this what You needed Mum?

Relevance: 61.1%
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 17, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: vms on February 17, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on February 17, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA




A larger version here: http://media3.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/int_news/182889.html





Wel in this picture you can clearly see that they do not want to arrest him.

He is in handcuffs but with hand in the front, meanwhile the LAW says that during transportation hands must be handcuffs but in the back position till entering the building where they bring him in a seperate interogation room than handcuff release.

I bet you he jjust wals in ask for coffee and a hamburger.

This is just to show that how they treat one of there own..




Caps,
There has been much discussion on the other thread regarding the man on the left with the blue shirt, Ben King.  I have been trying to determine if he is a lawyer all day, have come to the conclusion that he MUST be considering the jobs he's held.  Please check out all of the posts regarding him.  If not the driver you're looking for, most definately one of the DIRTYHANDS!  In my opinion anyway.....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 12:15:11 PM
Is this what You needed Mum?

Relevance: 61.1%
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 17, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: vms on February 17, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on February 17, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA




A larger version here: http://media3.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/int_news/182889.html





Wel in this picture you can clearly see that they do not want to arrest him.

He is in handcuffs but with hand in the front, meanwhile the LAW says that during transportation hands must be handcuffs but in the back position till entering the building where they bring him in a seperate interogation room than handcuff release.

I bet you he jjust wals in ask for coffee and a hamburger.

This is just to show that how they treat one of there own..




Caps,
There has been much discussion on the other thread regarding the man on the left with the blue shirt, Ben King.  I have been trying to determine if he is a lawyer all day, have come to the conclusion that he MUST be considering the jobs he's held.  Please check out all of the posts regarding him.  If not the driver you're looking for, most definately one of the DIRTYHANDS!  In my opinion anyway.....



Thanks Hotping!...That could be it...I will have to go back and find where the discussions first came up with JE...I am NOT good with pics, but think it is him. I recall the discussions from that night when JE found the link and posted about it. Maybe Lala's can remember, not sure who else was posting that night. BBL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 24, 2008, 12:24:22 PM
Found a Luis Santine linked to the bank but not in Aruba according to this contact page (can't connect to www.cmbnv.com )

http://www.mcb-bank.com/index.php?nd=detail&id=284


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg351984#msg351984


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
this is Voc / King for sure.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking4-1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 24, 2008, 12:46:45 PM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.



Don't think that is the pic of the correct Ben Vocking.  Think this pic is of a Dominican priest???

http://www.dominicanen.nl/detail_page.phtml?act_id=28&username=guest&password=9999&publish=Y&username=guest&password=9999&groups=DOMINICA&banner=2&categories=broeders
Caps do you mean this guy who changed his name Ben Vocking/Ben king?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/BenVocking.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 24, 2008, 12:47:42 PM
Sorry.  Quote ended up in the middle,

Don't think that is the pic of the correct Ben Vocking.  Think this pic is of a Dominican priest???

http://www.dominicanen.nl/detail_page.phtml?act_id=28&username=guest&password=9999&publish=Y&username=guest&password=9999&groups=DOMINICA&banner=2&categories=broeders


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 12:48:03 PM
just went through 40 minutes of hell with T Mobile.

This is Luis. I cropped myself out. I am on the left. This is the step in front of Cafe Chaos.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Luis2.jpg)

Sorry the picture is very low quality.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
Rob,
This is probably a longshot but I came across this one last night.  Can't hurt to take a look.

http://www.afra.com/attorneys.php?tema=5 (http://www.afra.com/attorneys.php?tema=5)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 12:52:33 PM
Rob,
This is probably a longshot but I came across this one last night.  Can't hurt to take a look.

http://www.afra.com/attorneys.php?tema=5 (http://www.afra.com/attorneys.php?tema=5)

Hi ya Texasmom, thanks, but not him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 01:03:07 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg351984#msg351984


Thanks vms and Buckeye....whew!...I am not losing my mind! Seems way longer than 2 months ago...all those pages ago...LOL

Maybe we should have klaas fix the pics in the Important Document thread!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 01:10:05 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg351984#msg351984


Thanks vms and Buckeye....whew!...I am not losing my mind! Seems way longer than 2 months ago...all those pages ago...LOL

Maybe we should have klaas fix the pics in the Important Document thread!

Great idea, IMO!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 24, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg351984#msg351984


Thanks vms and Buckeye....whew!...I am not losing my mind! Seems way longer than 2 months ago...all those pages ago...LOL

Maybe we should have klaas fix the pics in the Important Document thread!

Great idea, IMO!

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 01:58:02 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Armin-Yahoo.jpg) (http://profiles.yahoo.com/stratos_bohemium)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 02:03:07 PM
Awesome work being done around here!  I think all of you have been instrumental in uncovering the identiy of Simian/Merian.  Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Remember Shango said, as he was pizzed at Simian he would be the 47th?  Read that part.  j/b

Do you mean this???


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!


Yes, I guess I also meant 46th.  LOL  need something to clear the cobwebs. jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 02:05:22 PM
this is Voc / King for sure.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking4-1.jpg)

The older dude does resemble (as grandma would say, favor) him.  Could be his daddy or something.  Have mercy, they are all inbred in this saga.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 02:12:17 PM
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.


Caps do you mean this guy who changed his name Ben Vocking/Ben king?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Law%20E/BenVocking.jpg)


Blonde...IIRC this is not Ben Vocking.  JE found some pics and I think we determined it was not him. This guy is a pastor, I think. Will look later in the old thread and see if I can find it for some-one to post.

Yes that is one

King Kong hangs from Building
Spider man Hangs From Building
Now I need in the group of these kids, who practice in door Mounten Climbing. can be on the beach where they perform this sport.



What is this?

The "O" Zone

This is a private group used exclusively by shareholders of "O"Zone Inc for meeting and development planning and not open to the public.
Location: Buenos Aires, Aruba 12.42-69.91
Founded: Jul 31, 2007
Member Fee: none
   
Rating: 5.0
Members: 8
Meetings: 1 so far

This was on a indoor (and maybe outdoor too) indoor rock climbing links page.
I googled Aruba indoor rock climbing and there is a page of links, but seems only one meeting has taken place in Aruba.  I have no time to link up, etc.  Maybe someone else does.  Those two girls who organize this (pic is toward the bott of page) look more like dudes in dresses, but who knows.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase


Did you try 'Vocking'???


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 02:39:56 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase



Caps...I am not sure what you are saying...sorry! I thought we were talking about Ben Vocking who changed his name to Ben King! He was at KIA and I think now has another government job, possibly OM's office, but I honestly don't recall. Is this who you are asking about? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:44:32 PM
Awesome work being done around here!  I think all of you have been instrumental in uncovering the identiy of Simian/Merian.  Great Job!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Remember Shango said, as he was pizzed at Simian he would be the 47th?  Read that part.  j/b

Do you mean this???


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!


Yes, I guess I also meant 46th.  LOL  need something to clear the cobwebs. jackb

I mean this also

This primate (Killer) ain't no boy. Too many doppelgangers. What's in a name?  Caps Note: (Spider +  Man) (King Kong) (climbing indoor sport)
Swinging from a building ain't easy. Merian has many babylonian (POLICE) friends. Primates (KILLERS) are not indigenous to the land, but make no mistake still a cousin to the great Cacique Macuarima (Sr. Juan Emiliano “Mechy” Croes).


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 02:46:55 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase


Did you try 'Vocking'???


Thanks...2NJSons...it was posted originally this morning as Vocking and in my post I missed the 'c'...maybe that is where Caps is confused...I know I am!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 03:03:34 PM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase


Did you try 'Vocking'???


Thanks...2NJSons...it was posted originally this morning as Vocking and in my post I missed the 'c'...maybe that is where Caps is confused...I know I am!

ok
now we are talking

Vocking   Bernardus FC               1/14/1948   Nijmegen   De La Sallestraat 14
Vocking, geb. de Droog   Anna MJ   6/3/1959             Amsterdam   De La Sallestraat 14

The man and the wife.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 03:05:30 PM
IMO

It is going to be next to impossible to analyze Merian's posts because they are not in context and there was a lot of friction in that thread.

Shout out to anyone that may have any of the posts saved, including the surrounding discussions.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 03:25:15 PM
IMO

It is going to be next to impossible to analyze Merian's posts because they are not in context and there was a lot of friction in that thread.

Shout out to anyone that may have any of the posts saved, including the surrounding discussions.

Thanks vms...I was justing wondering about that when Mirian's posts were being discussed. Finngirl helped me a lot with her post and explanation the other day of Simian's OMG!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 03:30:41 PM
I wouldn't worry about analyzing Merian in context...we don't even analyze Simian or Shango in context.  It's becoming  throw out a thought and let's roll with it...not that it matters since nothing is going to solve this case in this thread anyway...but I have shouted context for so long I am losing my voice...which I am certain will make most everyone happy...now if my fingers were broken I couldn't type.  LOL!!

Just thinking out loud here and knowing I really need a nap before I snap!  I feel certain there is a monkey around somewhere that has those Merian posts with the other comments...I guess we wait.  Yes, I am going to take a nap now.  I think I am having one of those days as Rob says.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 04:24:40 PM
Well I think different,

I have all three riddle and some keys that were not clear in one is clear in the other.

and it does makes sense, What they are talking about since I have research some othe the things they are talking about that only are related to to struggle of dual citzen ship in Aruba and Holland and there ramification of it.

one have to choose which side you are going to be on Dutch or Arubians.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 04:38:51 PM
Well I think different,

I have all three riddle and some keys that were not clear in one is clear in the other.

and it does makes sense, What they are talking about since I have research some othe the things they are talking about that only are related to to struggle of dual citzen ship in Aruba and Holland and there ramification of it.

one have to choose which side you are going to be on Dutch or Arubians.





Ok.

Will you be posting your key to Shango, Simian, Merian, etc.? I would like to read it. TIA



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 05:14:56 PM
Well I think different,

I have all three riddle and some keys that were not clear in one is clear in the other.

and it does makes sense, What they are talking about since I have research some othe the things they are talking about that only are related to to struggle of dual citzen ship in Aruba and Holland and there ramification of it.

one have to choose which side you are going to be on Dutch or Arubians.





Ok.

Will you be posting your key to Shango, Simian, Merian, etc.? I would like to read it. TIA



Ok I will post my tamplate and we all will work from there. If some one has other keys that think that need to be explored than we will go from there.

Agreed


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 05:19:16 PM
Now the meriam post is much simplier, becuase she made it in section of a story,

The keys that we will find in Merian than can be transpose to the Shango and the Simian.

the Semian has some truth to it but now reading the Meriam, we know that the semian was playing both side. on the political arena and the Natalee case self. By supporting these killers, he is also be come an acomplice.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 05:31:41 PM
Well I think different,

I have all three riddle and some keys that were not clear in one is clear in the other.

and it does makes sense, What they are talking about since I have research some othe the things they are talking about that only are related to to struggle of dual citzen ship in Aruba and Holland and there ramification of it.

one have to choose which side you are going to be on Dutch or Arubians.





Ok.

Will you be posting your key to Shango, Simian, Merian, etc.? I would like to read it. TIA



Ok I will post my tamplate and we all will work from there. If some one has other keys that think that need to be explored than we will go from there.

Agreed

Great idea. Thanks! I think I might understand better where you are coming from if I could read it all...


I remember a few things Merian was referring to - the jet ski boy, Sabana Basora, the Tracy, etc. finngirl, I'm sure, can add a lot.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 05:31:57 PM
Well I think different,

I have all three riddle and some keys that were not clear in one is clear in the other.

and it does makes sense, What they are talking about since I have research some othe the things they are talking about that only are related to to struggle of dual citzen ship in Aruba and Holland and there ramification of it.

one have to choose which side you are going to be on Dutch or Arubians.





Do you think the Alcazar and Gordon riddles are also part of this...I am really trying to understand it all..but I have grown weary of waiting.  I know you have done tremendous work on this and I fail to see how any of this fits without the context.  I have said this before these posters with the exception of some of the Shango riddles, were talking and answering direct questions from the posters on at the same time.  If not, why did Allyinmiami even bother to tell us who was real and who was fake?  If it was all just posted to be decoded later what good is it? I don't even think the FBI cares about Shango...they already know who he is anyway. Only a few of us even cared about them after a year had passed.  In fact, those FP posters had even given up on Shango before the year was out.

Don't get me wrong...I would love for these riddles to solve this case...but I am to the point that even if we hand deliver Natalee's body to the ALE and all the other evidence they need...nothing would be done...nothing.  If all these powerful people are really involved in this mess there is no way in hell that anything will be done. No matter who is in power. Even Jossy has become silent.  That speaks more to me than anything I have read or said or thought about in this forum.  Still Shango is a fun exercise in futility...one of my favorite pastimes.

I think it's time to reveal Shango's identity...if Armin is not off limits then neither should Shango's real name be either.  What if this man we think is Simian was just playing a game...cruel at best?  Playing a game with his buddy Shango...who for the time remains nameless.   :roll: :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2008, 05:38:14 PM
I read somewhere that Ben(Vocking)King was no longer in Aruba, went to Holland.  I'll see if I can find that.  Somewhere here may have posted it, I'm not sure.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 05:39:03 PM
If you know his name spill it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: then I'll earth google him up and figure out how he knows Gabe... that might be fun or not... LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2008, 05:39:48 PM
Correction: I meant to say someone here may have posted it. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 05:54:09 PM
If you know his name spill it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: then I'll earth google him up and figure out how he knows Gabe... that might be fun or not... LOL


Stop laughing at me...I am having one of those days where I am frustrated with everything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 24, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
So Sorry guys the link said this BenVocking.jpg that's how I got it maybe it's his Dad kind of looks like him ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 06:07:53 PM
I will not betray that trust...if the information is divulged it will be by the person that did all the work on it...not me.  I have no way to verify any of it and it would be unfair of me to say anymore.  I suppose it's only speculation anyway.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 06:11:13 PM
If you know his name spill it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: then I'll earth google him up and figure out how he knows Gabe... that might be fun or not... LOL


Stop laughing at me...I am having one of those days where I am frustrated with everything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm laffin' with you...he he he :smt110

it's always a treat when I have company on a bad day!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 06:13:14 PM
So Sorry guys the link said this BenVocking.jpg that's how I got it maybe it's his Dad kind of looks like him ::MonkeyConfused::

don't sweat it . . . no worries!

happens to all of us... I should know, I go too fast and don't label stuff correctly, then I can't find it or it's marked "goat's ass" and it's really Rudy  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 06:16:10 PM
So Sorry guys the link said this BenVocking.jpg that's how I got it maybe it's his Dad kind of looks like him ::MonkeyConfused::

don't sweat it . . . no worries!

happens to all of us... I should know, I go too fast and don't label stuff correctly, then I can't find it or it's marked "goat's ass" and it's really Rudy  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 06:19:04 PM
I will not betray that trust...if the information is divulged it will be by the person that did all the work on it...not me.  I have no way to verify any of it and it would be unfair of me to say anymore.  I suppose it's only speculation anyway.

So the ok has been given to post the name?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2008, 06:21:48 PM
SS asked me to post this, it may have already been posted:

Netherlands Antilles

CURACAO (CG) Address: J.B. Gorsiraweg #1; Phone: 599-9-461-3066; Fax: 599-9-461-6489; INMARSAT Tel:

00-874-383-133-190; Workweek: M-F 8AM - 5 PM AST; Website: http://curacao.usconsulate.gov

Officer Name

CG Robert E. Sorenson

POL Robert E. Sorenson

COM Robert E. Sorenson

CON Jean E. Akers

AFSA Christopher Degnan

DEA Gary Tennant

ECO Robert E. Sorenson

FMO Christopher Degnan

GSO Jean E. Akers

ICASS Chair Gary Tennant

IMO Christopher Degnan

ISSO Christopher Degnan

PAO Christopher Degnan

RSO Daniel Garner

Last Updated: 12/10/2004



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 06:22:24 PM
I will not betray that trust...if the information is divulged it will be by the person that did all the work on it...not me.  I have no way to verify any of it and it would be unfair of me to say anymore.  I suppose it's only speculation anyway.

So the ok has been given to post the name?

No.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 24, 2008, 06:25:46 PM
these are also Ben Voc / King when he was much younger

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking7-1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/vocking8.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 06:29:09 PM
Then again...we didn't get permission to reveal Simian's identity either did we? LOL   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 06:30:27 PM
I think I have missed the point with Ben Vocking...help!  What part does he play in Shango? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 24, 2008, 06:50:36 PM
the King?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 24, 2008, 06:54:02 PM
SS asked me to post this, it may have already been posted:

Netherlands Antilles

CURACAO (CG) Address: J.B. Gorsiraweg #1; Phone: 599-9-461-3066; Fax: 599-9-461-6489; INMARSAT Tel:

00-874-383-133-190; Workweek: M-F 8AM - 5 PM AST; Website: http://curacao.usconsulate.gov

Officer Name

CG Robert E. Sorenson

POL Robert E. Sorenson

COM Robert E. Sorenson

CON Jean E. Akers

AFSA Christopher Degnan

DEA Gary Tennant

ECO Robert E. Sorenson

FMO Christopher Degnan

GSO Jean E. Akers

ICASS Chair Gary Tennant

IMO Christopher Degnan

ISSO Christopher Degnan

PAO Christopher Degnan

RSO Daniel Garner

Last Updated: 12/10/2004



Wondering if this could be the Gary Tennant from above?

snipped:

In June 2005, Gary J. Tennant, an employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration(DEA), entered into a contract to purchase a house being constructed in Virginia.  Mr.Tennant actually purchased the house in December of that year. In February 2006, DEA issued written travel orders transferring him from the Netherlands Antilles to a facility in Virginia which is located in suburban Washington, D.C. He complied with the orders and moved to the Virginia house in March 2006.......

http://www.cbca.gsa.gov/2007Relo/553.pdf


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 24, 2008, 07:19:56 PM
Same guy? I think it's the Ben VocKing we are looking for.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/vocking8.jpg)
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking4-1.jpg)

Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/benking.jpg)
DNA
 
Lawyer Rudi Oomen, the Attorney-General asked to launch an investigation into the withholding of evidence by the PPS. These DNA material that is exculpatory for his client. The material was in July decreased. On appeal the Court when certain that the taking of the material was not legitimate and that the material had to be destroyed, as well as any research results.

The OM confirmed in a letter that it had happened. At the session of the Court last week asked the court according to Oomen by this DNA material. Hoofdofficier Karin Janssen gave it that the results of the DNA test known to the PPS were known and that they were exculpatory for both Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

Oomen: "It is shocking to hear that there is apparently still at the research material has been committed, and even worse to hear that the exculpatory results never have been added to the dossier, while they are known to the PPS. Both the judge and the lawyers could not know this. "

Oomen makes the comparison with the Nienke case in the Netherlands, where exculpatory material was withheld. Oomen: "It goes to the roots of the rule of law if this kind of things happen. As a defense, you can rely on the PPS. "(Amigoe)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2008, 07:32:18 PM
Capslock - MBOX...read my second message first.  My first idea didn't work.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 07:51:19 PM
Well I think different,

I have all three riddle and some keys that were not clear in one is clear in the other.

and it does makes sense, What they are talking about since I have research some othe the things they are talking about that only are related to to struggle of dual citzen ship in Aruba and Holland and there ramification of it.

one have to choose which side you are going to be on Dutch or Arubians.





Ok.

Will you be posting your key to Shango, Simian, Merian, etc.? I would like to read it. TIA



Ok I will post my tamplate and we all will work from there. If some one has other keys that think that need to be explored than we will go from there.

Agreed




Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 08:03:07 PM
Capslock - MBOX...read my second message first.  My first idea didn't work.

Did it work or should I post it

I have Joomla installed and it has a WYSIWYG editor installed but when post in your editor it does not bring in the text formating styles with it.

Editor is old on your Joomla or Mambo system



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 08:04:00 PM
SS asked me to post this, it may have already been posted:

Netherlands Antilles

CURACAO (CG) Address: J.B. Gorsiraweg #1; Phone: 599-9-461-3066; Fax: 599-9-461-6489; INMARSAT Tel:

00-874-383-133-190; Workweek: M-F 8AM - 5 PM AST; Website: http://curacao.usconsulate.gov

Officer Name

CG Robert E. Sorenson

POL Robert E. Sorenson

COM Robert E. Sorenson

CON Jean E. Akers

AFSA Christopher Degnan

DEA Gary Tennant

ECO Robert E. Sorenson

FMO Christopher Degnan

GSO Jean E. Akers

ICASS Chair Gary Tennant

IMO Christopher Degnan

ISSO Christopher Degnan

PAO Christopher Degnan

RSO Daniel Garner

Last Updated: 12/10/2004






Thank you so much Klaas, you're a sweetie.  I appreciate your help.  This is from the Foreign Service .pdf file that Mum and I weren't able to open very early this morning.  The file was 124 pages.  I finally opened it with a high speed line. Aruba is not listed alone.  It is grouped with the Netherlands Antilles.  Jean Akers is there as we expected.  Gary Tennant is listed as DEA.  There is no mention of Eric Williams.  This .pdf file was dated 2004.  The 2006 Federal Employees file that I posted doesn't have Eric Williams listed either.  The question becomes not only why they didn't take a statement from Eric Williams, but who is Eric Williams?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 08:18:38 PM
I really think that we need to fly down there with the list of perps from CAPS, round them all up in the Banana Bus, and escort them back here for "a few rounds of questions".   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 08:29:54 PM
Then again...we didn't get permission to reveal Simian's identity either did we? LOL   ::MonkeyWink::

The way that happened, prior notice would not have been possible.

I don't need permission to google. LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 24, 2008, 08:42:59 PM
I really think that we need to fly down there with the list of perps from CAPS, round them all up in the Banana Bus, and escort them back here for "a few rounds of questions".   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Could these ladies be sent to Aruba dressed as spring breakers?.....call it "community service"

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4609528&page=1




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
I really think that we need to fly down there with the list of perps from CAPS, round them all up in the Banana Bus, and escort them back here for "a few rounds of questions".   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Could these ladies be sent to Aruba dressed as spring breakers?.....call it "community service"

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4609528&page=1






Great idea!  It might even cure them or at least make them more cautious about contact with American girls.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 09:03:36 PM
Has anyone found any infromation about Giovanni Solognier?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 24, 2008, 09:11:19 PM
I really think that we need to fly down there with the list of perps from CAPS, round them all up in the Banana Bus, and escort them back here for "a few rounds of questions".   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Could these ladies be sent to Aruba dressed as spring breakers?.....call it "community service"

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4609528&page=1






Great idea!  It might even cure them or at least make them more cautious about contact with American girls.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


payback's a bitch


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 24, 2008, 09:34:11 PM
Then again...we didn't get permission to reveal Simian's identity either did we? LOL   ::MonkeyWink::

The way that happened, prior notice would not have been possible.

I don't need permission to google. LOL

I was kinda hoping you would take that as a hint.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 09:48:01 PM
Then again...we didn't get permission to reveal Simian's identity either did we? LOL   ::MonkeyWink::

The way that happened, prior notice would not have been possible.

I don't need permission to google. LOL

I was kinda hoping you would take that as a hint.  ::MonkeyWink::

Take what as a hint? If you have something to say, say it. I have no idea what you are talking about.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 24, 2008, 09:56:34 PM
Capslock - MBOX...read my second message first.  My first idea didn't work.

Did it work or should I post it

I have Joomla installed and it has a WYSIWYG editor installed but when post in your editor it does not bring in the text formating styles with it.

Editor is old on your Joomla or Mambo system



The pdf link below is what Capslock wanted me to post for him so the colors and highlights would show:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 09:58:39 PM
I found Shango.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2008, 10:08:55 PM
Thanks Caps and Klaasend!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 24, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
I found Shango.   ::MonkeyWink::
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 10:11:26 PM
Thanks Caps and Klaasend!  ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto!

Awesome format, Caps!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 24, 2008, 10:31:20 PM
Thanks Caps and Klaasend!  ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto!

Awesome format, Caps!


CAPS, Thank You so much.  I am really impressed with all of your work.  You have been so helpful to us.  Have you done the same thing with Shango?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 11:20:57 PM
these are also Ben Voc / King when he was much younger

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking7-1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/vocking8.jpg)

That must be Ben Vocking in his younger years.  There is a guy in the middle with is arms on shoulders of who looks to be Ben and the other guy he is hugging or arms on his shoulders LOOKS LIKE THE ROCK PAINTER.  Jack.  Who is Colonel saunders beard man?   Jack blue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 24, 2008, 11:24:44 PM
these are also Ben Voc / King when he was much younger

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking7-1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/vocking8.jpg)

The skinny standing dude behind Vocking looks like Adin Biker in his younger years.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 24, 2008, 11:54:43 PM
Caps,

I don't know if you missed these earlier Merian posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.msg174973;topicseen#msg174973


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 11:57:27 PM
New Key

The boy (?????)  bit his tongue. For he is water as to the blood of the others. (They are look alike or twins) Ganga (JULIA RENFRO) is hanging her (Women) head down.

The silent antennas (TETRA POLICE RADIOS ) have spoken of the forked tongues.
You see, the dogs found the grid. The cowboys (HOLLOWAY SEARCH TEAM) should have unleashed them. That was a mistake. Gloat is the enemy of many brilliant men.


Note: all The cowboys are (HOLOWAY SEARCH TEAM)
Ganga = JULIA RENFRO
The federales are (THE FBI)

CAPSLOCKWIZARD


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 12:01:32 AM
Thanks Caps and Klaasend!  ::MonkeyCool::

Ditto!

Awesome format, Caps!


CAPS, Thank You so much.  I am really impressed with all of your work.  You have been so helpful to us.  Have you done the same thing with Shango?

Yes, but Shango is a Book more that 48 pages now. Almost done. Need to research a bit more on the killers.

I had to leave Shango and work on Meriam to see what I do not understand and to see what else have been said.

The Shango will be posted soon


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 12:03:39 AM
Then again...we didn't get permission to reveal Simian's identity either did we? LOL   ::MonkeyWink::

The way that happened, prior notice would not have been possible.

I don't need permission to google. LOL

I was kinda hoping you would take that as a hint.  ::MonkeyWink::

Take what as a hint? If you have something to say, say it. I have no idea what you are talking about.

OOPS!  Sorry that wasn't meant for your quote.  I must have hit the wrong one by mistake.  My mistake, so sorry. I will pay closer attention next time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 12:17:17 AM
Caps,

I don't know if you missed these earlier Merian posts:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.msg174973;topicseen#msg174973

I never saw these before, but I will incorporate it with he the other after I disect its content.

where was these post and how come they are not with the codetalkers secion.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 12:30:42 AM
Looking at the part 2 of Meriam of what VMS posted, I can read it and understand it clearly from some of the none seen text before.

I will merge and delete what is duplicate and then decode the missing peaces.

it show clearly a political game at hand here. I am wonder who is here at the game. But the glenson look alike is not the guilty one.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 12:38:45 AM
I would like to see the C&C Picture where the hand is on the Kalpoes shoulder. Need the complete picture .

need to compre it with someone.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 12:56:31 AM
I would like to see the C&C Picture where the hand is on the Kalpoes shoulder. Need the complete picture .

need to compre it with someone.




I have the picture with freddy and the hand on the shoulder.  I do not put pics in photo bucket, but if anyone wants to e-mail me, I will send it.  I am sure someone has it to put on here, though, that uses photo buckett.    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 01:02:40 AM
these are also Ben Voc / King when he was much younger

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking7-1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/vocking8.jpg)

The skinny standing dude behind Vocking looks like Adin Biker in his younger years.  j/b

The guy whose face is hidden, who is he?  He looks like the man who is the one I called the chief of the Tainos.  There is a guy half hidden sitting in front of him and then sitting next to the guy sitting in front of the chief is who looks like the rock painter would in his younger days, as well.  The heavy set one with a very light goatee.  Short nose note the eyes and hands.        Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 01:16:36 AM
Has anyone found any infromation about Giovanni Solognier?

That looks like him beside the younger years pic of who could be Vocking (beside him.)  He looks like the guy in the one called Dee Dee's wedding picture, but more manly looking in that pic with dee dee.  Also looks to have some Korean or thai in him in the younger picture, but what do I know?  LOL  Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 01:20:43 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CCpic.jpg)


The media would always crop it:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CCpic2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 01:30:22 AM
these are also Ben Voc / King when he was much younger

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking7-1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/vocking8.jpg)

The skinny standing dude behind Vocking looks like Adin Biker in his younger years.  j/b

The guy whose face is hidden, who is he?  He looks like the man who is the one I called the chief of the Tainos.  There is a guy half hidden sitting in front of him and then sitting next to the guy sitting in front of the chief is who looks like the rock painter would in his younger days, as well.  The heavy set one with a very light goatee.  Short nose note the eyes and hands.        Jack b

The guy behind the red dot seems like he would be the great Cacique Macuarima (Sr. Juan Emiliano “Mechy” Croes).  I am wondering why this
is in front of his face.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 01:35:03 AM
VMs see what you can find about a group called the Unwanted, they play at CAfe Chaos

Also check this out...the dupe of Joran??

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32317146


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 25, 2008, 01:51:26 AM
VMs see what you can find about a group called the Unwanted, they play at CAfe Chaos

Also check this out...the dupe of Joran??

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32317146


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=284227592


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 02:54:57 AM
According to Meriam, The Picture should look like this.

what is the odd for almost perfect semtric in parallel lines in a picture of 3 person.

The answer = Never.

The picture was a photoshop mod.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 02:57:58 AM
VMs see what you can find about a group called the Unwanted, they play at CAfe Chaos

Also check this out...the dupe of Joran??

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32317146


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=284227592


Klaasend:

Could you put my picture and the crop one that is floating on the net beside the one I posted.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 05:09:52 AM
Is this what You needed Mum?

Relevance: 61.1%
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 17, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: vms on February 17, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on February 17, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA




A larger version here: http://media3.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/int_news/182889.html





Wel in this picture you can clearly see that they do not want to arrest him.

He is in handcuffs but with hand in the front, meanwhile the LAW says that during transportation hands must be handcuffs but in the back position till entering the building where they bring him in a seperate interogation room than handcuff release.

I bet you he jjust wals in ask for coffee and a hamburger.

This is just to show that how they treat one of there own..




Caps,
There has been much discussion on the other thread regarding the man on the left with the blue shirt, Ben King.  I have been trying to determine if he is a lawyer all day, have come to the conclusion that he MUST be considering the jobs he's held.  Please check out all of the posts regarding him.  If not the driver you're looking for, most definately one of the DIRTYHANDS!  In my opinion anyway.....



Thanks Hotping!...That could be it...I will have to go back and find where the discussions first came up with JE...I am NOT good with pics, but think it is him. I recall the discussions from that night when JE found the link and posted about it. Maybe Lala's can remember, not sure who else was posting that night. BBL



Yesterday  we had this discussion on the real Ben Vocking. You can see by my response to Hotping that I was not sure by looking at the photo she linked to if I was sure this was Ben Vocking. Vms posted the link to the previous discussions and I read back.

BINGO!..Then I was positive we had the right Ben Vocking! I had without knowing explained ‘in context’. JMO, but the posts have to be read this way – in context!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 05:22:02 AM
SS asked me to post this, it may have already been posted:

Netherlands Antilles

CURACAO (CG) Address: J.B. Gorsiraweg #1; Phone: 599-9-461-3066; Fax: 599-9-461-6489; INMARSAT Tel:

00-874-383-133-190; Workweek: M-F 8AM - 5 PM AST; Website: http://curacao.usconsulate.gov

Officer Name

CG Robert E. Sorenson

POL Robert E. Sorenson

COM Robert E. Sorenson

CON Jean E. Akers

AFSA Christopher Degnan

DEA Gary Tennant

ECO Robert E. Sorenson

FMO Christopher Degnan

GSO Jean E. Akers

ICASS Chair Gary Tennant

IMO Christopher Degnan

ISSO Christopher Degnan

PAO Christopher Degnan

RSO Daniel Garner

Last Updated: 12/10/2004






Thank you so much Klaas, you're a sweetie.  I appreciate your help.  This is from the Foreign Service .pdf file that Mum and I weren't able to open very early this morning.  The file was 124 pages.  I finally opened it with a high speed line. Aruba is not listed alone.  It is grouped with the Netherlands Antilles.  Jean Akers is there as we expected.  Gary Tennant is listed as DEA.  There is no mention of Eric Williams.  This .pdf file was dated 2004.  The 2006 Federal Employees file that I posted doesn't have Eric Williams listed either.  The question becomes not only why they didn't take a statement from Eric Williams, but who is Eric Williams?   ::MonkeyConfused::


SS and Klaas…Thanks for opening and posting that list …This would not be the only DEA working in the area, just the guy assigned to the Consulate. As far as I can tell others were assigned to the FOLs, both in Aruba and Curacao. Williams may even have been retired. So we are no further along on Williams!

SS…Is it possible for you pull up the US Customs staff for 2005 that were working at the airport, please. These would have been non-classified personnel working at the Port of Entry at the airport. Not sure if they would be under Customs –INS or Homeland Security, but I believe the former.

Clue here - I am not looking for Williams...

Thanks in Advance as always!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 05:41:47 AM
the King?

COLUMBO-even with a two word response from you, I am confused...LOL

Do you think Vocking is 'His Lordship'...TIA



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 05:51:12 AM

Texasmom I found this post from Lala’s on Vocking…that does not mean he is still there though! (This is an old article)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg352184#msg352184


« Reply #2186 on: February 17, 2008, 10:51:16 PM »

+++++++++++


http://newsblaze.com/story/2005070108300200001
http://eworldwire.com/pressreleases/12239

Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE) Jul 1, 2005

Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office.  King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.

The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.
     
Massimo
RI,    USA
4018645592 (phone)




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 06:03:08 AM
Texasmom...LOL...Now I am confused as to if it means that Paulus or Vocking works for the Prosecution office...I thought I had read something more recent...will take a quick look, but really don't want ot spend too much time on it! Ran across this while looking for something else in the older threads!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 06:11:28 AM
Texasmom...Let's try this one!  ::MonkeyEek::



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2200


« Reply #2204 on: February 18, 2008, 11:38:11 AM »Posted by Caps
   
Ben Vocking came from Holland to take the position of Director at KIA (Prison of Aruba). After he got a incident (fight) with an inmate he was send to the hospital where he was for more than 2 months with head injuries. He was dismissed from KIA and start to work after more than a year and a half disabled, at the Prosecutor's office as an assistant and a help in other justice department. He was introduced in one of the two KIWANIS Club in Aruba, Palm Beach KIWANIS by his neighbor, who happens to be one of the founder of PBKiwanis.

The gentleman in blue shirt that was on the picture is a Dutch of Indonisian descend. I believe he is working with the RST which department of inspectors falls directly under Holland. But we will find out exactly who he is.As his face is also known in the Horeca Industry and might be a friend of the VDS. But my guess will be RST.

The other picture of the 3 men are Paulus van der Sloot, Ben Vocking and infront is Mr. Carlo, the lawyer of Joran, who happens to be a son of a former high police officer and well respected person. At this moment, PvdS is working as a lawyer at Carlo's office.

The picture with the 3 persons all in yellow, was taken after the elction was known and are all members of the MEP party who are at this moment in the power of government. The dark tall man on the right is mr. Tevreden, an musician in a rap group before named BMW. He went after the election to Holland on a study assignment from the government.







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 07:02:31 AM
After my last post it appears that some reading back may be in order! And maybe Caps can explain how he has posted previously on Ben Vocking, see my last post and there are more, but yesterday he didn't have a clue who he was!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.760


« Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM » Caps   
 
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.780


« Reply #768 on: April 24, 2008, 04:11:02 AM » Caps   
 
I need all Info about the KING becasue he is the man


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.800

« Reply #800 on: April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM » MumInOhio   
 
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

« Reply #818 on: April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

« Reply #819 on: April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM » 2NJSons

Did you try 'Vocking'???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.820

   
 « Reply #820 on: April 24, 2008, 02:39:56 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps
I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

Mum
Caps...I am not sure what you are saying...sorry! I thought we were talking about Ben Vocking who changed his name to Ben King! He was at KIA and I think now has another government job, possibly OM's office, but I honestly don't recall. Is this who you are asking about? TIA




« Reply #823 on: April 24, 2008, 03:03:34 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

Mum
From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps
I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

Did you try 'Vocking'???

Mum
Thanks...2NJSons...it was posted originally this morning as Vocking and in my post I missed the 'c'...maybe that is where Caps is confused...I know I am!

Caps
ok
now we are talking

Vocking   Bernardus FC               1/14/1948   Nijmegen   De La Sallestraat 14
Vocking, geb. de Droog   Anna MJ   6/3/1959             Amsterdam   De La Sallestraat 14

The man and the wife.











Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 25, 2008, 07:03:41 AM
the King?

COLUMBO-even with a two word response from you, I am confused...LOL

Do you think Vocking is 'His Lordship'...TIA



a question preceded this post

voKING 

was Vocking an Arawak? was he 'fetid?'


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 07:17:58 AM
I have to admit I'm totally lost on what is happening over here now. LOL. The PDF file made it worse not better.

I need a de-scrambler.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

help


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 07:20:02 AM
the King?

COLUMBO-even with a two word response from you, I am confused...LOL

Do you think Vocking is 'His Lordship'...TIA



a question preceded this post

voKING 

was Vocking an Arawak? was he 'fetid?'


Good morning COLUMBO and Rob...a little confused this morning...I don't recall the question...I will go back and see...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 07:38:14 AM
the King?

COLUMBO-even with a two word response from you, I am confused...LOL

Do you think Vocking is 'His Lordship'...TIA



a question preceded this post

voKING 

was Vocking an Arawak? was he 'fetid?'




« Reply #847 on: April 24, 2008, 06:30:27 PM »   Lala's
 
I think I have missed the point with Ben Vocking...help!  What part does he play in Shango? 

So you think that Vocking is the Arawak King? Hmmm! We are making progress...and I am beginning to understand you...I think...unless he is the Arawak Dirty Hand...more reading!...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 25, 2008, 07:56:51 AM
I would like to see the C&C Picture where the hand is on the Kalpoes shoulder. Need the complete picture .

need to compre it with someone.


This one
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/19750740_3679508de2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 25, 2008, 08:03:34 AM
Is this what You needed Mum?

Relevance: 61.1%
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 17, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: vms on February 17, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on February 17, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA




A larger version here: http://media3.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/int_news/182889.html





Wel in this picture you can clearly see that they do not want to arrest him.

He is in handcuffs but with hand in the front, meanwhile the LAW says that during transportation hands must be handcuffs but in the back position till entering the building where they bring him in a seperate interogation room than handcuff release.

I bet you he jjust wals in ask for coffee and a hamburger.

This is just to show that how they treat one of there own..




Caps,
There has been much discussion on the other thread regarding the man on the left with the blue shirt, Ben King.  I have been trying to determine if he is a lawyer all day, have come to the conclusion that he MUST be considering the jobs he's held.  Please check out all of the posts regarding him.  If not the driver you're looking for, most definately one of the DIRTYHANDS!  In my opinion anyway.....



Thanks Hotping!...That could be it...I will have to go back and find where the discussions first came up with JE...I am NOT good with pics, but think it is him. I recall the discussions from that night when JE found the link and posted about it. Maybe Lala's can remember, not sure who else was posting that night. BBL



Yesterday  we had this discussion on the real Ben Vocking. You can see by my response to Hotping that I was not sure by looking at the photo she linked to if I was sure this was Ben Vocking. Vms posted the link to the previous discussions and I read back.

BINGO!..Then I was positive we had the right Ben Vocking! I had without knowing explained ‘in context’. JMO, but the posts have to be read this way – in context!


 ::MonkeyConfused::

So was the picture I posted the wrong guy?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 08:27:35 AM
Is this what You needed Mum?

Relevance: 61.1%
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on February 17, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: vms on February 17, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
Quote from: ******* on February 17, 2008, 07:40:37 PM
Picture taken before Joran went to give his DNA




A larger version here: http://media3.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/int_news/182889.html





Wel in this picture you can clearly see that they do not want to arrest him.

He is in handcuffs but with hand in the front, meanwhile the LAW says that during transportation hands must be handcuffs but in the back position till entering the building where they bring him in a seperate interogation room than handcuff release.

I bet you he jjust wals in ask for coffee and a hamburger.

This is just to show that how they treat one of there own..




Caps,
There has been much discussion on the other thread regarding the man on the left with the blue shirt, Ben King.  I have been trying to determine if he is a lawyer all day, have come to the conclusion that he MUST be considering the jobs he's held.  Please check out all of the posts regarding him.  If not the driver you're looking for, most definately one of the DIRTYHANDS!  In my opinion anyway.....



Thanks Hotping!...That could be it...I will have to go back and find where the discussions first came up with JE...I am NOT good with pics, but think it is him. I recall the discussions from that night when JE found the link and posted about it. Maybe Lala's can remember, not sure who else was posting that night. BBL



Yesterday  we had this discussion on the real Ben Vocking. You can see by my response to Hotping that I was not sure by looking at the photo she linked to if I was sure this was Ben Vocking. Vms posted the link to the previous discussions and I read back.

BINGO!..Then I was positive we had the right Ben Vocking! I had without knowing explained ‘in context’. JMO, but the posts have to be read this way – in context!


 ::MonkeyConfused::

So was the picture I posted the wrong guy?


Sorry Blonde...I meant to leave you a post....the guy with the red sweater you posted yesterday is some-one else. Ovserver has posted the correct pics of Ben Vocking in the Aruban Who's Who in the Important Documents. I just checked and it is fixed...this time.

Have a great day...may be back if it rains soon!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 10:01:25 AM
Yellowhammer - Alabama State Bird = Natalee

Jet ski boy - Max DeVries

Sabana Basora case - Rene van Heyningen

Parentless one - Lil' Orphan, a poster here at SM

The Tracy - TJ Ward



Too many doppelgangers. What's in a name? - Why he changed his name from Simian to Merian.


Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."
Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.
- Speaking to Lil' Orphan and ticked at us because he was being questioned about being Simian.


Who dares to suggest the Simian knows the whereabouts of the Yellowbird? - Posters were saying if he knew where she was he should tell and quit playing code games.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 10:04:47 AM
Oops!
The above was to Caps in reference to Merian...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 11:23:34 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Vocking9.jpg)

Aleen Sirgany, of CBS, refers to him as Van der Sloot's attorney....speaks of his young client.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=704330n


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 01:18:35 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Vocking9.jpg)

Aleen Sirgany, of CBS, refers to him as Van der Sloot's attorney....speaks of his young client.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=704330n


Hi vms...I haven't been able to get it to load completely...will have to wait until early in the morning...are you saying that the video says that guy we think is Vocking is, according to CBS, his lawyer? TIA

Looks like I'll be doing more reading back!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CCpic.jpg)


The media would always crop it:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CCpic2.jpg)


Question for CAPS
Are you saying this photo that has been used so many times is actually a photo shopped photo and Joran was never in the photo?   Are you saying the three; Freddy, Satish, Deepak are the ones that are responsible for what happened to Natalee?    Just what are you trying to tell us about that photo?

I thought you had said Freddy was not there or not his real name or something like that.  I would like to know about that photo, please!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 01:36:39 PM
After my last post it appears that some reading back may be in order! And maybe Caps can explain how he has posted previously on Ben Vocking, see my last post and there are more, but yesterday he didn't have a clue who he was!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.760


« Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM » Caps   
 
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.780


« Reply #768 on: April 24, 2008, 04:11:02 AM » Caps   
 
I need all Info about the KING becasue he is the man


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.800

« Reply #800 on: April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM » MumInOhio   
 
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

« Reply #818 on: April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

« Reply #819 on: April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM » 2NJSons

Did you try 'Vocking'???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.820

   
 « Reply #820 on: April 24, 2008, 02:39:56 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps
I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

Mum
Caps...I am not sure what you are saying...sorry! I thought we were talking about Ben Vocking who changed his name to Ben King! He was at KIA and I think now has another government job, possibly OM's office, but I honestly don't recall. Is this who you are asking about? TIA




« Reply #823 on: April 24, 2008, 03:03:34 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

Mum
From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps
I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

Did you try 'Vocking'???

Mum
Thanks...2NJSons...it was posted originally this morning as Vocking and in my post I missed the 'c'...maybe that is where Caps is confused...I know I am!

Caps
ok
now we are talking

Vocking   Bernardus FC               1/14/1948   Nijmegen   De La Sallestraat 14
Vocking, geb. de Droog   Anna MJ   6/3/1959             Amsterdam   De La Sallestraat 14

The man and the wife.











Well, I will say that I know the FACE of the man since 2002-2004 where he was driving arround in his small VW in the area where they are selling prostitution. I my research on The Man came from a person that know The Man very well and when I was posting the info's, he provided me with all the Info add that time from the Pictures I have showed to Him.

Now at 3:30 am I said What I said because my eyes and my brain was very tired but he came to mind the more I read the riddle. Now The Man had many diffrent name and one of it is Jaguar = Hunter, Benny, Benancio, King, The Man, etc. and for that reason I said "what ever his name is" becuase the more you search about this man one will find all kinds of stories and which part of these volumes of stories do we need.

VMS:

Also about the Yellowhammer vs Merian and not to confuse with the poster name Merian Ernest.

The Yellowhammer = Virginia and Merian = Natalee

The Yellowhammer flow Away and Merian DNA will be washed away with the Horacain Emily

Now for the YellowHammer to be Natalee, the it would be Natalee that flow Away, and Virginia'S DNA that is in the pond.

Question?
where is Virginia Page?


Also the introduction to the Kiwanis info came from some one that deal with this man in KIA. He worked for him and he confirm also that The Man stinks like onion. Poor Hygene.

So where is Jaguar


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 01:37:49 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Vocking9.jpg)

Aleen Sirgany, of CBS, refers to him as Van der Sloot's attorney....speaks of his young client.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=704330n


Hi vms...I haven't been able to get it to load completely...will have to wait until early in the morning...are you saying that the video says that guy we think is Vocking is, according to CBS, his lawyer? TIA

Looks like I'll be doing more reading back!

Aleen Sirgany says, "At court on Sunday, Van der Sloot's attorney said his young client was still holding up well."

Then he starts talking.

Maybe she got it wrong, Mum, but he was speaking on camera.  :smt102



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 01:49:23 PM
Caps,

We'll agree to disagree because I believe Merian was referring to himself as the poster, Merian, not Natalee.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 01:50:15 PM
Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 01:54:00 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Vocking9.jpg)

Aleen Sirgany, of CBS, refers to him as Van der Sloot's attorney....speaks of his young client.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=704330n


Hi vms...I haven't been able to get it to load completely...will have to wait until early in the morning...are you saying that the video says that guy we think is Vocking is, according to CBS, his lawyer? TIA

Looks like I'll be doing more reading back!

Aleen Sirgany says, "At court on Sunday, Van der Sloot's attorney said his young client was still holding up well."

Then he starts talking.

Maybe she got it wrong, Mum, but he was speaking on camera.  :smt102




Thanks vms...wouldn't be the first time reporters got things wrong...LOL...I think there was some discussion as to Vocking being a lawyer, or at least the question was asked. Will see what I can find.

Caps...I had been up for 36 hours with maybe 2 hours of sleep when the posts were made yesterday and I clearly remembered that you had posted on Vocking on more than one occasion. Actually in two separate consecutive posts you posted MR VONK and KING!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 02:05:42 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 02:07:11 PM
Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.

She is in college and will be a senior this fall.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 02:13:12 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 02:18:17 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CCpic.jpg)


The media would always crop it:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/CCpic2.jpg)


Question for CAPS
Are you saying this photo that has been used so many times is actually a photo shopped photo and Joran was never in the photo?   Are you saying the three; Freddy, Satish, Deepak are the ones that are responsible for what happened to Natalee?    Just what are you trying to tell us about that photo?

I thought you had said Freddy was not there or not his real name or something like that.  I would like to know about that photo, please!!!

What I said was before knowing about the lost of never seen Post of Merian, Reading them, it show and says clearly that there was a swith.

Now to make the swith, the picture should match on both sides of the photos.

Here is what I mean when I say Parallellism in photo art.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 02:21:32 PM
Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.

She is in college and will be a senior this fall.

Hi Lalas, she's a great young lady and I wish her the best in life.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
Klassend:

could you rezise the picture for me please it looked good on my system but looked to big in the post


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 02:25:56 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?





Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 02:27:41 PM
I don't know anything about Parallelism.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 02:28:17 PM
Klassend:

could you rezise the picture for me please it looked good on my system but looked to big in the post

I copy them and fix it


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?





Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...

Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 02:31:48 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 25, 2008, 02:35:33 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?



Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Hello VMS :) He also identified Vocking in the pic we posted here...I believe he did work at the prosecuters office as well as the Justice Dept or was it the Public Ministry? He is a great candidate for dirty hands as well as Van Der Straten,,I noticed several Dutch coming to this guys defense at RWV and I think he is dirty as hell,not only with the search of the VDS home but also involved in that DNA testing they errored so bad,all the tests and what they were comparing it to was never revealed.

He most likely was returning the favor for PVDS helping him destroy and cover up evidence in the Matthews case..What a pal..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?





Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Thanks vms...I agree. Would still like to find where I recall the 'lawyer' from. It may have just been asked and no follow-up.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 02:40:17 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 02:41:45 PM
*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 02:42:34 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?



Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Hello VMS :) He also identified Vocking in the pic we posted here...I believe he did work at the prosecuters office as well as the Justice Dept or was it the Public Ministry? He is a great candidate for dirty hands as well as Van Der Straten,,I noticed several Dutch coming to this guys defense at RWV and I think he is dirty as hell,not only with the search of the VDS home but also involved in that DNA testing they errored so bad,all the tests and what they were comparing it to was never revealed.

He most likely was returning the favor for PVDS helping him destroy and cover up evidence in the Matthews case..What a pal..

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I agree.

I do find it strange, if that is him in the video, that he would be speaking on camera about Joran's condition in jail. A very good candidate for Dirtyhand, IMO, also...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 02:47:49 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 25, 2008, 02:52:27 PM
So far, this is what I have on Virginia Page:
Virginia O'Neal Page is attending Vanderbilt College which is located in Nashville, Tennessee


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 02:56:10 PM
So far, this is what I have on Virginia Page:
Virginia O'Neal Page is attending Vanderbilt College which is located in Nashville, Tennessee


Same University her father graduated from.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 03:04:29 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.

Was the date on the results the same as June 12 or was it later? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 03:09:46 PM
Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.

I think we are looking at wrong, If it is about a political murder, then the Yellowhammer is this




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 03:10:13 PM
Rethinking my questioning of if any purpose is served to know who Shango and Simian were.

If we know who they are and can connect relationships, then we may understand what motivations they had to post what they did.

I think Rob already said that. I'm slow...  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 25, 2008, 03:10:48 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.

 I'm lost with you
::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 03:15:58 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 


Jailhouse....Courthouse....Sloot's house....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 03:22:24 PM
Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.

I think we are looking at wrong, If it is about a political murder, then the Yellowhammer is this





Okay, I am banging my head against a brick wall but here goes.....Yellowhammer is a reference to Natalee Holloway.  It is not another girl.  I too, am going to have to disagree with you Caps...I live in the Yellowhammer state...I know this.  I don't think too many of us have seen your info about this political murder you are talking about here...do you still have that info? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 03:23:09 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 03:25:09 PM
Rethinking my questioning of if any purpose is served to know who Shango and Simian were.

If we know who they are and can connect relationships, then we may understand what motivations they had to post what they did.

I think Rob already said that. I'm slow...  :lol:

Yes, you are right and therein may lie the motivation for Shango to tell us about the underbelly and illegal workings of Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 03:26:47 PM
Does anyone remember where this photo originated?  Was it from a tickle site? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
I remember something about Tony providing pictures to the media.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
Does anyone remember where this photo originated?  Was it from a tickle site? 



Not sure...I tried to check a little while bac, and never finished. No-one heard of Freddy until late August, but the pic was around and cropped as he was not supposed to be involved...I recall Klaas saying that.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.

Was the date on the results the same as June 12 or was it later? 

Lalas, I just know she was tested on 6-12-2005. I do not know of the results because they were quashed when it was revealed that Jansen ordered the tests without a judge's order. Beth was called and asked to provide a BLOOD sample, not a swab. They were comparing something to something and must have felt blood was more precise. They had to have something if a DNA request was made of Beth. Remember they are after mitrochondrial DNA passed from mom to child. And also remember Dave was there and was not asked for a DNA test.

maybe a smarter monks knows better than I.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 03:41:31 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th

I understand now. They used lines in a parallel fashion to line it all up and avoid detection. Now it makes sense.

Thanks Caps, got it!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 03:45:32 PM
Does anyone remember where this photo originated?  Was it from a tickle site? 



Not sure...I tried to check a little while bac, and never finished. No-one heard of Freddy until late August, but the pic was around and cropped as he was not supposed to be involved...I recall Klaas saying that.

We knew him as Locoman. We may have known the first name too, I can't remember but we definitely found the pic and knew who Merian was pointing out...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 03:52:06 PM
Klaas

Where did that photo originate?  I know the media had it first so do you have nay idea who provided that photo? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 03:52:26 PM
VMs see what you can find about a group called the Unwanted, they play at CAfe Chaos

Also check this out...the dupe of Joran??

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32317146


This is not the best place and time probably to put this....but I thought I had better before I forgot to.  j/b

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

Could this count as switching places?
  When Palus let Joran sit in the tournament for him that seems to be switching places.  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 03:53:04 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 03:59:29 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.

Caps there are 5 Dirty Hands
Dirty Hand
DirtyHand
Dirty hand
dirty hand
dirtyhand


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 04:01:12 PM
quote Caps-
He is the one we cal the behavior specialist.

is there a video? I'll capture the guy and post him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 04:01:21 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th

I understand now. They used lines in a parallel fashion to line it all up and avoid detection. Now it makes sense.

Thanks Caps, got it!!

Who is the dude behind Freddy, may he was there and Freddy got substituted and the reason he is not cut out is the "photoshop" would be more obvious.  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 04:06:51 PM
There is only one problem with the parallel lines and photochopping Freddy and Joran. How can anyone not say those are Joran's chewbacca arms? He gets those from Paulus. He has the same gawd-awful hairy arms. Those are Joran's arms.

Maybe Freddy is not in the photo??? and chopped in?

just guessing ovah here!!! LOL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 04:09:03 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.





Are you referring to the guy whose name I can't spell correctly...Duektohm...Duektohm...oh I give up...but is it this person?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 04:16:53 PM
quote Caps-
He is the one we cal the behavior specialist.

is there a video? I'll capture the guy and post him.

Rob, it was on www.telearuba.aw and on the night that they arrested Hendrick Croes, I think it was on a sunday. I do  not remember the dates. at the end of MOS speech, he and MOS walk in the Police station.

Yes, there is 5 stories in Shango and thats why it is 50 pages now. The Ritz, Natalee, Drug, Money laudring,The corruption
all mixed in one big story.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 04:17:37 PM
Vms...I found this post from Tony...more here if you would like to check...I have to run...Mill Resort...again!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=270;sa=showPosts

We need one more person to tell all. In Aruba one cannot incriminate themselves, the thought we had Joran Deepak and Satish being questioned was misleading, in fact after the first arrest they all said NOTHING to questions asked of them and used their right to do so.
 Paulus is loosing weight daily from all this stress, I predict a heart attack or some other medical ailment soon.

I posted this in 2006:
on: July 03, 2006, 01:39:16 PM
I remember the locoman pimp (Freddy A) from tickle site and all the connections to K2 and of course as we know, Joran. The silence from him is stifling. He was at jorans apartment the night before Nat disappeared. He might have been there when she arrived after leaving Carlos and Charlies.
I always thought he was involved and I provided the Daily News with his picture last year when he was questioned. He, like Steve C and GVC declined to answer questions and were susuquently released. They love doing the activities partners as mentioned on their sites. It is a well rehearsed (by practice ) series of events, 1st the bar, then the Mill Resort and then the dropoff at the hotel in the wee hours. Filming, sharing and token taking all all part of the GAME; get it?
We need Queen Beatrix to intervene!


PS: To Maria M. from Greta postings, Go to hell for your ignorance, the taxi company in South Africa does just fine when the government can't enforce their laws.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 04:19:55 PM
Mum
I thought that Deutkohm guy was a judge? Is that the same as OM?  I didn't think it was, but I may be wrong.  How do you spell that name anyway?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 04:23:11 PM
Vms...I found this post from Tony...more here if you would like to check...I have to run...Mill Resort...again!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=270;sa=showPosts

We need one more person to tell all. In Aruba one cannot incriminate themselves, the thought we had Joran Deepak and Satish being questioned was misleading, in fact after the first arrest they all said NOTHING to questions asked of them and used their right to do so.
 Paulus is loosing weight daily from all this stress, I predict a heart attack or some other medical ailment soon.

I posted this in 2006:
on: July 03, 2006, 01:39:16 PM
I remember the locoman pimp (Freddy A) from tickle site and all the connections to K2 and of course as we know, Joran. The silence from him is stifling. He was at jorans apartment the night before Nat disappeared. He might have been there when she arrived after leaving Carlos and Charlies.
I always thought he was involved and I provided the Daily News with his picture last year when he was questioned. He, like Steve C and GVC declined to answer questions and were susuquently released. They love doing the activities partners as mentioned on their sites. It is a well rehearsed (by practice ) series of events, 1st the bar, then the Mill Resort and then the dropoff at the hotel in the wee hours. Filming, sharing and token taking all all part of the GAME; get it?
We need Queen Beatrix to intervene!


PS: To Maria M. from Greta postings, Go to hell for your ignorance, the taxi company in South Africa does just fine when the government can't enforce their laws.

Thank you, Mum.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 04:23:50 PM
This could be it...

The talker will be the 4th person of interest, he/she will tie in inconsistincies in the timeline and ever changing stories by J and K2. Then pressure builds and Deepak breaks first. He is the weak link, just read the van transcripts when they were secretly taped. Look over my previous posts by clicking my name on top. I provided the pictres of FA and Croes to the Daily news in NYC in the beginning, I brought up the bibba leker gang from their webpostings(depak, satish. joran and freddy) and their 'alternative' activities (getting into drunk or passed out tourist' pants). They will crumble.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 25, 2008, 04:29:23 PM
There is only one problem with the parallel lines and photochopping Freddy and Joran. How can anyone not say those are Joran's chewbacca arms? He gets those from Paulus. He has the same gawd-awful hairy arms. Those are Joran's arms.

Maybe Freddy is not in the photo??? and chopped in?

just guessing ovah here!!! LOL



Rob,

I agree that those look like Joran's arms so he probably was not shopped, just used to fix the other (Freddy) in place.  But that is not Freddy's hand. IMO.  It looks like it would belong to Guido or more likely to Max, the photo guy.  Kinda effeminate ... delicate. 

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 04:29:59 PM
So is that picture photo shopped or not?  I think we need to know...it goes back to Merian's verses and I want to know what is what...I don't like leaving things hanging like we have done lately. One of my peeves.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
Hi ya Chata... long time no see... good to see you posting and not lurking LOL

Thanks for the reply, I think you have it right by George. So, Freddy was chopped... that makes more sense.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 04:33:49 PM
Mum
I thought that Deutkohm guy was a judge? Is that the same as OM?  I didn't think it was, but I may be wrong.  How do you spell that name anyway?


I think he is a bigwig in the OM or Prosecutor's office? He was not on Kermit's judge's list? So I assumed he was not a judge, maybe Caps can tell us?

DEUTEKOM....LOL... I think!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 04:35:06 PM
quote Caps-
He is the one we cal the behavior specialist.

is there a video? I'll capture the guy and post him.

Rob, it was on www.telearuba.aw and on the night that they arrested Hendrick Croes, I think it was on a sunday. I do  not remember the dates. at the end of MOS speech, he and MOS walk in the Police station.

Yes, there is 5 stories in Shango and thats why it is 50 pages now. The Ritz, Natalee, Drug, Money laudring,The corruption
all mixed in one big story.


thanks Caps, can you please provide me with the video archive? I don't see it listed. I'll go through the archive and get the video.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.





Are you referring to the guy whose name I can't spell correctly...Duektohm...Duektohm...oh I give up...but is it this person?

Yes, Frans Duetekom, mistery man in the OM pulling the King string. Now he work with MOS and I do think they are watching how far the monkeys can get on finding the killers and for them to come with an other story. I know he is there, becuase Isaw him on TV. Some said that he was not in Aruba, but on the night of Hendrick croes, there he was. For Hendrick to be checking out of kia that night, is the work of Duetekom. BTW there is also rumors that Vonking was a Judge before a scandal that got him off the bench. ending up in Aruba but need to be checked this out.


Merian sayif there will ever be an end to this story.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 04:48:08 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/1LOCK.gif)

just helpin' out  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 04:56:07 PM
Early notice, huh?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 04:57:54 PM
funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.





Are you referring to the guy whose name I can't spell correctly...Duektohm...Duektohm...oh I give up...but is it this person?

Yes, Frans Duetekom, mistery man in the OM pulling the King string. Now he work with MOS and I do think they are watching how far the monkeys can get on finding the killers and for them to come with an other story. I know he is there, becuase Isaw him on TV. Some said that he was not in Aruba, but on the night of Hendrick croes, there he was. For Hendrick to be checking out of kia that night, is the work of Duetekom. BTW there is also rumors that Vonking was a Judge before a scandal that got him off the bench. ending up in Aruba but need to be checked this out.


Merian sayif there will ever be an end to this story.


Where does Joran fit into all this?  What about the Kalpoes?  Is Paulus the real killer?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 04:58:32 PM
O/T Update on Katysmom in lounge.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
Early notice, huh?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

you've been warned  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 05:03:29 PM
Does anyone read at RU? We could always have WordsofWisdom examine the picture. She thinks every photo ever released of Natalee was photoshopped.  :roll: :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 25, 2008, 05:06:20 PM
Hey, would that Tony be our Tony here at Scared Monkeys?  If so, maybe he would tell us if it was photo shopped or where he found it?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 05:12:17 PM
Does anyone read at RU? We could always have WordsofWisdom examine the picture. She thinks every photo ever released of Natalee was photoshopped.  :roll: :lol:

what is this RU you speak of Grasshopper?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

+++++++++++++++++++++

Caps, I can not find the video archive... I don't think they have one at telearuba. There is no search available.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 05:16:19 PM
quote Caps-
He is the one we cal the behavior specialist.

is there a video? I'll capture the guy and post him.

Rob, it was on www.telearuba.aw and on the night that they arrested Hendrick Croes, I think it was on a sunday. I do  not remember the dates. at the end of MOS speech, he and MOS walk in the Police station.

Yes, there is 5 stories in Shango and thats why it is 50 pages now. The Ritz, Natalee, Drug, Money laudring,The corruption
all mixed in one big story.


thanks Caps, can you please provide me with the video archive? I don't see it listed. I'll go through the archive and get the video.

Frans van Deutekom, public prosecutor in Aruba ... spelled DEUtekom. 

Angelique Peterson, head of the Legal Affairs and Treaties Division, Foreign Relations Department in Aruba


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2008, 05:21:14 PM
So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   :roll:

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?





Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Thanks vms...I agree. Would still like to find where I recall the 'lawyer' from. It may have just been asked and no follow-up.
I don't think we could ever find anything defininate about King back in February.  I found this in the archives.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1154.msg165337#msg165337 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1154.msg165337#msg165337)

 Lively Case Discussion #625 5/20-5/22/2007
« Reply #136 on: May 21, 2007, 10:15:28 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: "klaasend"
Posted by Also_Dutch at RU:

Also_Dutch Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 1:29 am   


Quote
Quote:

Wednesday June 15th 2005
Later I hear from my parents that they searched the house today. Suddenly a horde of police, plain clothes detectives and press stand in front of our door.

Ben King, a good friend of my father's is visiting us with his wife. We know him for 15 years and my mothers is best friends with his wife. I also attended middle school together with their eldest daughter. He took two weeks off from work to avoid work and private to mix up. He works as policy-assistant at the Openbaar Ministerie, but as a non-jurist he is working on completely different cases, than the Holloway case.

 

The above quote is taken from page 165 of Joran's book. This cleares the matter of Judges at the Van der Sloot residence. Ben King is a civil servant and not a lawyer, judge or (A)DA.

I think I don't ahve to explain further



So it seems Ben King took time off his Aruban government ministry job immediately after Natalee disappeared and his sole intent was to derail the case, and was staying at the Van der Sloot house.

It is obvious, Klaas. This was a cover-up assisted by the government.

One more thing. The judge refused to a full search of the Van der Sloot  house FOR A SECOND TIME when PAULUS WAS ARRESTED.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 05:28:57 PM
There is only one problem with the parallel lines and photochopping Freddy and Joran. How can anyone not say those are Joran's chewbacca arms? He gets those from Paulus. He has the same gawd-awful hairy arms. Those are Joran's arms.

Maybe Freddy is not in the photo??? and chopped in?

just guessing ovah here!!! LOL



Rob,

I agree that those look like Joran's arms so he probably was not shopped, just used to fix the other (Freddy) in place.  But that is not Freddy's hand. IMO.  It looks like it would belong to Guido or more likely to Max, the photo guy.  Kinda effeminate ... delicate. 

CHATA

Max Arends…shopped in with Freddy aka Arends…both rumored to be a sleepover guest.
Nah!!!

Thanks TM…he protests too loudly!






Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 05:32:03 PM
Thank you, texasmom!


Mr Miyrobi,

You know that place where the Revolting Unhinged post all kind of nasty stuff about Beth...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
Ben King, a good friend of my father's is visiting us with his wife. We know him for 15 years and my mothers is best friends with his wife. I also attended middle school together with their eldest daughter. He took two weeks off from work to avoid work and private to mix up. He works as policy-assistant at the Openbaar Ministerie, but as a non-jurist he is working on completely different cases, than the Holloway case.
-------------
Texasmom
this says it all about Ben Voc / King's involvement. If Moses called me up tonight and asked me to take two weeks off of work I would say NO!!! I would never ever ever participate in the delay, stall cover-up tactics of a friend. If that makes me a snitch or a rat...I can live with that. That's probably why I don't have those kind of people calling me.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm calling the police PRONTO!!!  This goes to show you how serious this situation was. Ben Voc / King knew it all. He would be the first person I would have deposed if I were Bram Moskovitz. Step right up!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 05:35:05 PM
I *suspicion* that is Ben Voc / King's little gray car seen at the rock area in one of the Aru-Bay videos.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 05:35:53 PM
Thank you, texasmom!


Mr Miyrobi,

You know that place where the Revolting Unhinged post all kind of nasty stuff about Beth...

on the floor... tooo funnny!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2008, 05:39:58 PM
Ben King, a good friend of my father's is visiting us with his wife. We know him for 15 years and my mothers is best friends with his wife. I also attended middle school together with their eldest daughter. He took two weeks off from work to avoid work and private to mix up. He works as policy-assistant at the Openbaar Ministerie, but as a non-jurist he is working on completely different cases, than the Holloway case.
-------------
Texasmom
this says it all about Ben Voc / King's involvement. If Moses called me up tonight and asked me to take two weeks off of work I would say NO!!! I would never ever ever participate in the delay, stall cover-up tactics of a friend. If that makes me a snitch or a rat...I can live with that. That's probably why I don't have those kind of people calling me.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm calling the police PRONTO!!!  This goes to show you how serious this situation was. Ben Voc / King knew it all. He would be the first person I would have deposed if I were Bram Moskovitz. Step right up!!!
I agree Rob!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2008, 05:44:09 PM
Thank you, texasmom!


Mr Miyrobi,

You know that place where the Revolting Unhinged post all kind of nasty stuff about Beth...
yw vms ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 06:04:01 PM
I agree Rob!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

ya know Texasmom, when the attorneys are deposing the witnesses, you don't always go for the prime candidates first. You go for their accomplices and get them on the record so that they can not change their stories to fit the defense.

I would put Voc / King up first and box him in. That will make the Sloots have a near fatal heart attack right there in the court room.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 25, 2008, 06:50:02 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th

I understand now. They used lines in a parallel fashion to line it all up and avoid detection. Now it makes sense.

Thanks Caps, got it!!

I'm LOST all I know this is a fake look at his neck two colors

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/CnCparelell3.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 07:07:01 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono12.jpg)

The foto is from Dede Wending

The Persons in the picture are
Left to Right : Dede, Karin, Armin Solognier and Chito Paris

Source do not know Dede and Karin but Armin work at a Bank, has his own band. Chito also has his own bussiness




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 25, 2008, 07:13:22 PM
The cardinal is the state bird of Virginia.  Natalee has to be the yellowhammer.

History: The common flicker is the State Bird of Alabama. Alabama has been known as the "Yellowhammer State" since the Civil War. The yellowhammer nickname was applied to the Confederate soldiers from Alabama when a company of young cavalry soldiers from Huntsville, under the command of Rev. D.C. Kelly, arrived at Hopkinsville, KY, where Gen. Forrest's troops were stationed. The officers and men of the Huntsville company wore fine, new uniforms, whereas the soldiers who had long been on the battlefields were dressed in faded, worn uniforms. On the sleeves, collars and coattails of the new calvary troop were bits of brilliant yellow cloth. As the company rode past Company A , Will Arnett cried out in greeting "Yellowhammer, Yellowhammer, flicker, flicker!" The greeting brought a roar of laughter from the men and from that moment the Huntsville soldiers were spoken of as the "yellowhammer company." The term quickly spread throughout the Confederate Army and all Alabama troops were referred to unofficially as the "Yellowhammers."

When the Confederate Veterans in Alabama were organized they took pride in being referred to as the "Yellowhammers" and wore a yellowhammer feather in their caps or lapels during reunions.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 07:16:04 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CnCparelell3.jpg)



And your point? Lost here..help me out.



IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th

I understand now. They used lines in a parallel fashion to line it all up and avoid detection. Now it makes sense.

Thanks Caps, got it!!

I'm LOST all I know this is a fake look at his neck two colors

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Arrests%20in%20the%20case/CnCparelell3.jpg)

It was to show that how easy is to make a fake foto. if this foto was used with filters with Photoshop, it will come out perfectly.

but is was just to show that the original photo must be a fake.

I do believe that the whole picture is a fake.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 07:20:24 PM
Caps, how many people seem to have the nickname "Chito"..??? I see three now. "Chito" Oduber, "Chito" Paris and there is another "Chito" and I posted his picture from my cell.

Who is this? This is Luis "Chito" ????

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Luis2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 07:24:31 PM
I am guessing Chito is related to Bibi and Vanessa Arends, Caps?

Cached Link (http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:hbc6jjAW5VQJ:happy90opa.com/index.html+%22chito+Paris%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&ie=UTF-8)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 25, 2008, 07:25:24 PM
made it a little smaller - that seems to have helped a very little bit with the resolution...

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Luis3.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 07:30:36 PM
The cardinal is the state bird of Virginia.  Natalee has to be the yellowhammer.

History: The common flicker is the State Bird of Alabama. Alabama has been known as the "Yellowhammer State" since the Civil War. The yellowhammer nickname was applied to the Confederate soldiers from Alabama when a company of young cavalry soldiers from Huntsville, under the command of Rev. D.C. Kelly, arrived at Hopkinsville, KY, where Gen. Forrest's troops were stationed. The officers and men of the Huntsville company wore fine, new uniforms, whereas the soldiers who had long been on the battlefields were dressed in faded, worn uniforms. On the sleeves, collars and coattails of the new calvary troop were bits of brilliant yellow cloth. As the company rode past Company A , Will Arnett cried out in greeting "Yellowhammer, Yellowhammer, flicker, flicker!" The greeting brought a roar of laughter from the men and from that moment the Huntsville soldiers were spoken of as the "yellowhammer company." The term quickly spread throughout the Confederate Army and all Alabama troops were referred to unofficially as the "Yellowhammers."

When the Confederate Veterans in Alabama were organized they took pride in being referred to as the "Yellowhammers" and wore a yellowhammer feather in their caps or lapels during reunions.


Also, the Alabama football cheer. I think it has to be Natalee.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 25, 2008, 07:45:44 PM
Max’s (Arends) myspace…A Luis did have a picture…poof!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=244626398



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 25, 2008, 07:56:52 PM
The Northern Flicker, Alabama's State Bird, is also known as the Yellowhammer.

We were taught Yellowhammer when I was a child in the dark ages, but they have
refined it to the proper name, which is the Northern Flicker.

Rammer Jammer Yellowhammer....Give em hell Alabama!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 08:07:31 PM
The Northern Flicker, Alabama's State Bird, is also known as the Yellowhammer.

We were taught Yellowhammer when I was a child in the dark ages, but they have
refined it to the proper name, which is the Northern Flicker.

Rammer Jammer Yellowhammer....Give em hell Alabama!

Dark ages. :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 08:16:31 PM
The cardinal is the state bird of Virginia.  Natalee has to be the yellowhammer.

History: The common flicker is the State Bird of Alabama. Alabama has been known as the "Yellowhammer State" since the Civil War. The yellowhammer nickname was applied to the Confederate soldiers from Alabama when a company of young cavalry soldiers from Huntsville, under the command of Rev. D.C. Kelly, arrived at Hopkinsville, KY, where Gen. Forrest's troops were stationed. The officers and men of the Huntsville company wore fine, new uniforms, whereas the soldiers who had long been on the battlefields were dressed in faded, worn uniforms. On the sleeves, collars and coattails of the new calvary troop were bits of brilliant yellow cloth. As the company rode past Company A , Will Arnett cried out in greeting "Yellowhammer, Yellowhammer, flicker, flicker!" The greeting brought a roar of laughter from the men and from that moment the Huntsville soldiers were spoken of as the "yellowhammer company." The term quickly spread throughout the Confederate Army and all Alabama troops were referred to unofficially as the "Yellowhammers."

When the Confederate Veterans in Alabama were organized they took pride in being referred to as the "Yellowhammers" and wore a yellowhammer feather in their caps or lapels during reunions.


Also, the Alabama football cheer. I think it has to be Natalee.

I have replaced it and I will research Shango if he mention the Yellowhammer,

Now Hammer = Money then it could be someone fron the USA that has a lot of money.

but I will keep it in mind and Thats why we have this template to do more research when we desagree.

BRB 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 08:23:47 PM
I agree, Caps.

It does not hurt to try new interpretation.
Yelllowhammer seems obvious to me but I could be totally wrong...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 25, 2008, 08:29:36 PM
Max’s (Arends) myspace…A Luis did have a picture…poof!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=244626398





Here's a Luis that I grabbed off of Max's pages of friends.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=188344051


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 25, 2008, 08:43:09 PM
Max Arends is on the left.  The guy in the center looks so familiar.  Does anyone recognize him?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
I don't think so, SS.

I was wondering about these two with Max. I have seen the one in the middle (Indroh?) with Annalisa in several pics.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/maxarends/IMG_1652-1.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 25, 2008, 08:59:23 PM
Here's another picture of the same group.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 09:00:07 PM
His photos are interesting. I wonder if he works with Julia and Annalisa...

http://www.myspace.com/indroh


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 25, 2008, 09:12:30 PM
Do we have a picture of the Frans D guy yet?  This is old so maybe Caps can verify.  Sorry don't know how to post pic...only link..

http://www2.fmg.uva.nl/medewerkers/enkel.cfm?sd=fb&userid=02F03B07-681E-4418-AA5A09D258E1F72F


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 09:18:54 PM
Do we have a picture of the Frans D guy yet?  This is old so maybe Caps can verify.  Sorry don't know how to post pic...only link..

http://www2.fmg.uva.nl/medewerkers/enkel.cfm?sd=fb&userid=02F03B07-681E-4418-AA5A09D258E1F72F

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/FransvanDeutekom.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 25, 2008, 09:20:35 PM
Thanks vms.  It was really hard to find a pic... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Thanks vms.  It was really hard to find a pic... ::MonkeyRoll::
YW.

Caps should be able to tell us if he is the right guy. Very good!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 25, 2008, 09:27:52 PM
Max still has those goofy eyebrows!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 09:59:13 PM
Do we have a picture of the Frans D guy yet?  This is old so maybe Caps can verify.  Sorry don't know how to post pic...only link..

http://www2.fmg.uva.nl/medewerkers/enkel.cfm?sd=fb&userid=02F03B07-681E-4418-AA5A09D258E1F72F

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/FransvanDeutekom.jpg)

No been there, this is some portier in an housing complex. no that is not him


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 25, 2008, 10:09:27 PM
The cardinal is the state bird of Virginia.  Natalee has to be the yellowhammer.

History: The common flicker is the State Bird of Alabama. Alabama has been known as the "Yellowhammer State" since the Civil War. The yellowhammer nickname was applied to the Confederate soldiers from Alabama when a company of young cavalry soldiers from Huntsville, under the command of Rev. D.C. Kelly, arrived at Hopkinsville, KY, where Gen. Forrest's troops were stationed. The officers and men of the Huntsville company wore fine, new uniforms, whereas the soldiers who had long been on the battlefields were dressed in faded, worn uniforms. On the sleeves, collars and coattails of the new calvary troop were bits of brilliant yellow cloth. As the company rode past Company A , Will Arnett cried out in greeting "Yellowhammer, Yellowhammer, flicker, flicker!" The greeting brought a roar of laughter from the men and from that moment the Huntsville soldiers were spoken of as the "yellowhammer company." The term quickly spread throughout the Confederate Army and all Alabama troops were referred to unofficially as the "Yellowhammers."

When the Confederate Veterans in Alabama were organized they took pride in being referred to as the "Yellowhammers" and wore a yellowhammer feather in their caps or lapels during reunions.


Also, the Alabama football cheer. I think it has to be Natalee.

I have replaced it and I will research Shango if he mention the Yellowhammer,

Now Hammer = Money then it could be someone fron the USA that has a lot of money.

but I will keep it in mind and Thats why we have this template to do more research when we desagree.

BRB 

Hammer and block.  Judge and prison or sentencing by slamming of the gavel onto the block.  Is judge Nit Witt yellow haired or is he grey haired or was he yellow haired?  j/b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 10:15:39 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 10:20:06 PM
The cardinal is the state bird of Virginia.  Natalee has to be the yellowhammer.

History: The common flicker is the State Bird of Alabama. Alabama has been known as the "Yellowhammer State" since the Civil War. The yellowhammer nickname was applied to the Confederate soldiers from Alabama when a company of young cavalry soldiers from Huntsville, under the command of Rev. D.C. Kelly, arrived at Hopkinsville, KY, where Gen. Forrest's troops were stationed. The officers and men of the Huntsville company wore fine, new uniforms, whereas the soldiers who had long been on the battlefields were dressed in faded, worn uniforms. On the sleeves, collars and coattails of the new calvary troop were bits of brilliant yellow cloth. As the company rode past Company A , Will Arnett cried out in greeting "Yellowhammer, Yellowhammer, flicker, flicker!" The greeting brought a roar of laughter from the men and from that moment the Huntsville soldiers were spoken of as the "yellowhammer company." The term quickly spread throughout the Confederate Army and all Alabama troops were referred to unofficially as the "Yellowhammers."

When the Confederate Veterans in Alabama were organized they took pride in being referred to as the "Yellowhammers" and wore a yellowhammer feather in their caps or lapels during reunions.


Also, the Alabama football cheer. I think it has to be Natalee.

I have replaced it and I will research Shango if he mention the Yellowhammer,

Now Hammer = Money then it could be someone fron the USA that has a lot of money.

but I will keep it in mind and Thats why we have this template to do more research when we desagree.

BRB 

Hammer and block.  Judge and prison or sentencing by slamming of the gavel onto the block.  Is judge Nit Witt yellow haired or is he grey haired or was he yellow haired?  j/b

Good thinking, In KIA Aruba all the cell doors are Yellow, Maybe it is someone that they let go from Kia. any KIA pictures?

Hmmmm



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 25, 2008, 10:33:35 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


I can't understand fully what the article says? He's a prosecuter that is involved with teens committing serious crimes? He has reccomended Hospitals instead of Prisons?

http://www.minszi.aw/04170701noticia.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
Video: Inside look at Aruba prison (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/9071633#9071633)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 25, 2008, 10:44:25 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


Hmm...Whats this all about Caps? I see this involves Paul Van Der Sloot as well..Is this a seperate case from the drivers license scandal where Paul is defending Mr.Vroljik on fake documents?

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1585/slootartyp3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 25, 2008, 10:48:45 PM
Video: Inside look at Aruba prison (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/9071633#9071633)

Thanks vms!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 10:53:13 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


I can't understand fully what the article says? He's a prosecuter that is involved with teens committing serious crimes? He has reccomended Hospitals instead of Prisons?

http://www.minszi.aw/04170701noticia.htm

like I said, this Man is the behavior specialist, a prosecuter inside the Prosecuter office and he is the won that has to build the case so that when time come to face the Judge, he is right there blabling his findings some truth and some fabricate from his team if he want you to go to jail. He is the won that ask how many year to get. Most of the time, the judge concurs right there. No if or Buts.

He is also if do not want you in Jail, he will make sure you can get off with tactical fabrication of facts or strange theories so that you can walk.

Super DirtyHand. everyone is that office is afraid of him IMO.

Is is not the one that is on TV. he is not a show man. He is the one that pulls all strings.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 25, 2008, 10:58:03 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


I can't understand fully what the article says? He's a prosecuter that is involved with teens committing serious crimes? He has reccomended Hospitals instead of Prisons?

http://www.minszi.aw/04170701noticia.htm

like I said, this Man is the behavior specialist, a prosecuter inside the Prosecuter office and he is the won that has to build the case so that when time come to face the Judge, he is right there blabling his findings some truth and some fabricate from his team if he want you to go to jail. He is the won that ask how many year to get. Most of the time, the judge concurs right there. No if or Buts.

He is also if do not want you in Jail, he will make sure you can get off with tactical fabrication of facts or strange theories so that you can walk.

Super DirtyHand. everyone is that office is afraid of him IMO.

Is is not the one that is on TV. he is not a show man. He is the one that pulls all strings.


Very Interesting..Thank You!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 25, 2008, 11:01:43 PM
Video: Inside look at Aruba prison (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/9071633#9071633)

Thanks vms!

YW. :)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on April 25, 2008, 11:20:51 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


I can't understand fully what the article says? He's a prosecuter that is involved with teens committing serious crimes? He has reccomended Hospitals instead of Prisons?

http://www.minszi.aw/04170701noticia.htm

like I said, this Man is the behavior specialist, a prosecuter inside the Prosecuter office and he is the won that has to build the case so that when time come to face the Judge, he is right there blabling his findings some truth and some fabricate from his team if he want you to go to jail. He is the won that ask how many year to get. Most of the time, the judge concurs right there. No if or Buts.

He is also if do not want you in Jail, he will make sure you can get off with tactical fabrication of facts or strange theories so that you can walk.

Super DirtyHand. everyone is that office is afraid of him IMO.

Is is not the one that is on TV. he is not a show man. He is the one that pulls all strings.


Very Interesting..Thank You!

Wish there was a name.  Thank you!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 11:27:22 PM
if anyone goolge for Duetekom you will get 3 pdf files but inside the pdf, the name is not there. Google "Fiscal publico Frans Deutekom Aruba"

Try it


Hmm...Whats this all about Caps? I see this involves Paul Van Der Sloot as well..Is this a seperate case from the drivers license scandal where Paul is defending Mr.Vroljik on fake documents?

(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1585/slootartyp3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)



This is so funny, Bosshi wever Nephew at that time was detained for the Drivers License Gate. where the boy was selling the Drivers Licenses to who ever needed one, he setup an operation where he will have is sales boys do the marketing search for who ever need a driver license and then bring it to him where he and another girl where make them.

Now Lawyer Vander sloot defended the Nephew, and he walks after spending the 3 months waiting for the trial, but all the rest has fallen on some group of kids. Some how the Prosecuter presented more that 4000 pages of some sort of evidence against the kids and so the Booshi Nephew got away with it. Dompig should have to testified. Maria Vrolijk Also walked, The Prosecuter in the case was F.D.

Note: I have seen cases that are so strange that it does not make sense. butHow can you win if the country that allows Drug cafe as legal operating business with their twisted Laws handed down to a Prosecuter that do not speak the language to hand you a sentence, where when you have to talk to him, a translator is needed to translate what you are saying where most of the times the translation is wrong and in the ear of the Judge is sound that what you said is an agreement of guild and where he than hands you prison time. All depends who you are and who you know and not what you know.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 25, 2008, 11:36:36 PM


This is so funny, Bosshi wever Nephew at that time was detained for the Drivers License Gate. where the boy was selling the Drivers Licenses to who ever needed one, he setup an operation where he will have is sales boys do the marketing search for who ever need a driver license and then bring it to him where he and another girl where make them.

Now Lawyer Vander sloot defended the Nephew, and he walks after spending the 3 months waiting for the trial, but all the rest has fallen on some group of kids. Some how the Prosecuter presented more that 4000 pages of some sort of evidence against the kids and so the Booshi Nephew got away with it. Dompig should have to testified. Maria Vrolijk Also walked, The Prosecuter in the case was F.D.

We tried to keep up with this case the best we could,although the reports were in Papi :( Didn't PVDS question Dompig?  Also wasn't Cheremy Croes one of these kids? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 25, 2008, 11:58:53 PM


This is so funny, Bosshi wever Nephew at that time was detained for the Drivers License Gate. where the boy was selling the Drivers Licenses to who ever needed one, he setup an operation where he will have is sales boys do the marketing search for who ever need a driver license and then bring it to him where he and another girl where make them.

Now Lawyer Vander sloot defended the Nephew, and he walks after spending the 3 months waiting for the trial, but all the rest has fallen on some group of kids. Some how the Prosecuter presented more that 4000 pages of some sort of evidence against the kids and so the Booshi Nephew got away with it. Dompig should have to testified. Maria Vrolijk Also walked, The Prosecuter in the case was F.D.

We tried to keep up with this case the best we could although the reports were in Papi :( Didn't PVDS question Dompig?  Also wasn't Cheremy Croes one of these kids? TIA

Yes, Jeremy Croes was involved and Dompig seems to have come with this bolony story that since the drivers license department was moving, the databease was lost, how was it lost, nobody knows. Ho suposed to be guarding it, Rudy Croes,
One thing is sure, there are still some of these fake Licenses around in circulation still.


Now we have the Laboratory Gate, We have the Namdar Gate, the Ritz Carlon Gate, Natalee Holloway Murder Gate.

For the Drivers License Gate there was 4000 peaces of document, Now for the Natalee Holloway, How many 100  pages.

Im the Labroratory Gate, Nelson Oduber Declares on TV and in Papers that he doesn't know Maikito Farro, But in 2005 it was at Maikito farro that the Gabinet Oduber was formed. It was on the Dinner Table that all that where there agreed on who will be in the Gabinet. Strange how Oduber can not remember that historical night.

I think he need some Ensure for the brains.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 26, 2008, 12:13:53 AM


This is so funny, Bosshi wever Nephew at that time was detained for the Drivers License Gate. where the boy was selling the Drivers Licenses to who ever needed one, he setup an operation where he will have is sales boys do the marketing search for who ever need a driver license and then bring it to him where he and another girl where make them.

Now Lawyer Vander sloot defended the Nephew, and he walks after spending the 3 months waiting for the trial, but all the rest has fallen on some group of kids. Some how the Prosecuter presented more that 4000 pages of some sort of evidence against the kids and so the Booshi Nephew got away with it. Dompig should have to testified. Maria Vrolijk Also walked, The Prosecuter in the case was F.D.

We tried to keep up with this case the best we could although the reports were in Papi :( Didn't PVDS question Dompig?  Also wasn't Cheremy Croes one of these kids? TIA

Yes, Jeremy Croes was involved and Dompig seems to have come with this bolony story that since the drivers license department was moving, the databease was lost, how was it lost, nobody knows. Ho suposed to be guarding it, Rudy Croes,
One thing is sure, there are still some of these fake Licenses around in circulation still.


Now we have the Laboratory Gate, We have the Namdar Gate, the Ritz Carlon Gate, Natalee Holloway Murder Gate.

For the Drivers License Gate there was 4000 peaces of document, Now for the Natalee Holloway, How many 100  pages.

Im the Labroratory Gate, Nelson Oduber Declares on TV and in Papers that he doesn't know Maikito Farro, But in 2005 it was at Maikito farro that the Gabinet Oduber was formed. It was on the Dinner Table that all that where there agreed on who will be in the Gabinet. Strange how Oduber can not remember that historical night.

I think he need some Ensure for the brains.





The more I read from you the funnier you are!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: It's almost comical how they can come up with these unimageinable blunders to cover there crimes. Why did I know you woud bring Rudy Croes name into this.. ::MonkeyConfused:: I read that Maiky is tied into the Mafia,Booshi and the MEP..What a suprise reading this week the MEP illegally took bribes for the megamillion development and rigged the bidding process and the illegal trips to spain by Briesen. That MEP is a money hungry group and counting on the millions in commissions for there next campaign run. We could fill up this thread with how criminal this Govt is and with proof but yet here they still remain  :(

This case will never be solved with these criminals at the helm and Holland accepting the cover up.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 07:12:35 AM
Mum
I thought that Deutkohm guy was a judge? Is that the same as OM?  I didn't think it was, but I may be wrong.  How do you spell that name anyway?



Lala’s…this is where it started with Deutekom, when I posted Kermit’s Judges list looking for a Judge Williams. Caps responded that Deutekom was not on the list.

I have asked 2 or 3 times if he is a Judge?…

JMO…again…he may be one of the dirty hands, but the path taken to get to him was not the correct one…


Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:06:13 AM


Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM » 

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From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

=============
Fin
46 sacrifices.

The judges serve three year contracts. Three years from 2005 would be now. A new(?) group of judges rotated in(unless they may serve more than once).

The 47th would break the cycle of conspiracy.

The conspiracy will then fall.

Judges....

The crooks, on Aruba or even in the United States, cannot flourish without corrupt lawyers and judges.

Look at all those businesses that people own there. They are washing machines.

Maybe PVDS is a lawyer for the dark side.

While I do not think drug trafficking is the answer that we seek, it is a piece of the puzzle. There are many pieces. All important.

We must shine a light on those that rule the night.

Why do the cowboys turn their heads? Me thinks the ABC's get their clothes washed there too. Easier than on the Hill.
Fin

« Reply #171 on: March 26, 2008, 12:30:32 PM » Caps

I think from the list above we forgot one of those S.O.B's Mr. F.A.P.M van Duetekom.

Check what info you have on this man... good friend of Paules.. He is a Prosecuter. But he is not on the list.

CAPS
++++

Talking about things dangling…the above posts were on page 2 of the second thread, I tried to explain then to Caps that this was a list of Judges…60 pages later, I tried again…yesterday almost 100 pages later the same questions are being asked….no wonder I am confused!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 07:30:26 AM
*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.

Was the date on the results the same as June 12 or was it later? 



Rob and Lala’s…this is what I found regarding DNA…the package from the Hague…a few questions here….

There are others around the same date, car etc.

Name/Fitle: Laboratory report (blood sample)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 09 June 2005  
Pages: 2
Writer/initiator: Madeline A. Montgomery (Chemistry Unit 1)
Description: blood samples comparison
Source: FBI
Lab nr: 050609002KSNP
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

Name/Title: Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's car
File No: none
Date: 9 June 2005 / 20:30  
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Scott Henri Hahn (FBI), R.C.B. Tromp, S. G Ras
Description: Blood Search in Deepak Kalpoes Car
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr: 663/2005
Location: Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba

Name/Title: taking of swab samples, Blood samples from Beth Ann Twitty / Dave Edward Holloway
File No: R00906/r00898 / b9109/b8987
Date: 10 June 2005 / 14:40  
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Silvio Gilberto Ras
Description: Swab Samples, Blood samples from: Beth Ann Twitty I Dave
Edward Holloway
Source: Technische Opsporings-en Herkenningsdienst
Lab nr. 667/2005
Location: Aruba

Name/Title: Laboratory report (DNA)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 15 June 2005  
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Brendan F.Shea (DNA Analysis Unit 1)
Description: DNA samples compared
Source: FBI
Lab nr : 050611001KSRT
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

Name/Title: DNA comparison
File No: 2005.06.10.113  
Date: 11 July 2005
Pages:12
Writer/Initiator: M. van der Scheer/Dr. RJ Bink/
Description: DNA comparison (between blood samples and Deepak Kalpoe's car seat samples)
Source: NFI
Lab nr: none
Location: Den Haag, Holland

Name/Title: Forensic analysis
File No: 2005.06.10.113  
Location: Laan van Ypenburg 6 2497 GB Den Haag
Date: 8 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dr. P. van den Hoven, Dr. C. Willemsen, Dr. D. Botter
Description: forensic investigation on swab samples taken from suspects, dust from rooms, bathroom articles, articles taken from living room, luminol investigation

Name/Title: DNA Investigation
File No: 2005.06.10.133/a
Date: 30 August 2005
Pages: 4 (3 attachments)
Writer/Initiator. Dr. R.J Bink
Description: DNA comparison and investigation
Source: NFI
Lab nr: not stated
Location: Den Haag, Holland







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 07:37:33 AM
Talking again about things dangling…I am sure I will find more as I am reading back….

Is the famous pic a fake or not?

Did we find the correct Luis? 

Was he the one related to the Arends?

Funny how these websites seem to disappear after we visit them a few times, reminds me of the Lions pages…same names on both…Hmmmmmmm!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2008, 08:01:51 AM
Thanks Mum for the document related findings. So it was the 10th. I have the 12th in my notes, I'll correct that. I wonder how I ended up with that date?? I have it in my notes from June of o5, but it now appears wrong.

And I think you have proven that it was blood and not chocolate. There must have been a match here and it must have matched Joran and hence the need to quash it. It appears to be DIRECTLY related to the Kalpoe Honda. No need to get Beth and Dave to give blood if there was nothing to compare.

this is an area that certainly needs to be looked at further now that we have a few links to connect.

Good Job Mum and Good Morning


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2008, 08:02:42 AM
Talking again about things dangling…I am sure I will find more as I am reading back….

Is the famous pic a fake or not?

Did we find the correct Luis? 

Was he the one related to the Arends?

Funny how these websites seem to disappear after we visit them a few times, reminds me of the Lions pages…same names on both…Hmmmmmmm!



nope, we still do not know that "Luis'" last name.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:18:32 AM
Thanks Mum for the document related findings. So it was the 10th. I have the 12th in my notes, I'll correct that. I wonder how I ended up with that date?? I have it in my notes from June of o5, but it now appears wrong.

And I think you have proven that it was blood and not chocolate. There must have been a match here and it must have matched Joran and hence the need to quash it. It appears to be DIRECTLY related to the Kalpoe Honda. No need to get Beth and Dave to give blood if there was nothing to compare.

this is an area that certainly needs to be looked at further now that we have a few links to connect.

Good Job Mum and Good Morning


Good Morning Rob...storms rolling in so will make it quick. I meant to post the link, as there are ones relating to the car. The tech. stuff is about halfway down, after the US witnesses and before the ALE witnesses.

Also some of the Dutch listings have the date in the file #. I have studied that list for ages trying to make some sense of them...didn't post the car ones, as I thought it would be too confusing!

I was hoping we had found a Luis/Arends connection, young Max was questioned 6/16 IIRC and Simian first posted 6/17...most have associated this with Paulus...

Will have to find the Fox transcript on Max and do some more checking before I post my thoughts, and all depends on what dots connect, Armin being the big one!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 08:19:03 AM
Good morning, all. The following is from BestBuddy. BB was here when Merian was posting and followed him much more closely than I did...


Xenons
are the type front lights on deepaks car. Had to be a special order.


the old cowboy
Tim Miller from TES from Texas. Tim did say he had a special relationship with Dompig. You don't get more cowboy than texas


The gray ape
is a fictional character in a life lesson story who deceives a young girl…the basic story is that some things are not what they seem…or a person may not be what they seem. The gray ape looked nice at first and didn't look like an ape.


the cowboys
TES search group


the yellowhammer
Alabama State Bird
Natalee


the conuco
these are the poor huts the people live in
 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:22:05 AM
Blonde...In response to your post yesterday in NAH...that was Private Eye's post and he was referring to Eric Williams IIRC. You should be able to get the link by checking his posts, as he has not posted much lately.

Good Morning vms...Can we connect some dots today?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 08:25:35 AM
Blonde...In response to your post yesterday in NAH...that was Private Eye's post and he was referring to Eric Williams IIRC. You should be able to get the link by checking his posts, as he has not posted much lately.

Good Morning vms...Can we connect some dots today?

I wish, Mum! I want the dot that was feeding info to Simian.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:25:44 AM
Good morning, all. The following is from BestBuddy. BB was here when Merian was posting and followed him much more closely than I did...


Xenons
are the type front lights on deepaks car. Had to be a special order.


the old cowboy
Tim Miller from TES from Texas. Tim did say he had a special relationship with Dompig. You don't get more cowboy than texas


The gray ape
is a fictional character in a life lesson story who deceives a young girl…the basic story is that some things are not what they seem…or a person may not be what they seem. The gray ape looked nice at first and didn't look like an ape.


the cowboys
TES search group


the yellowhammer
Alabama State Bird
Natalee


the conuco
these are the poor huts the people live in
 




The gray ape...do you think it refers to age?  Or could it just be some-one like Joran who is not all he seems?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:30:56 AM
Blonde...In response to your post yesterday in NAH...that was Private Eye's post and he was referring to Eric Williams IIRC. You should be able to get the link by checking his posts, as he has not posted much lately.

Good Morning vms...Can we connect some dots today?

I wish, Mum! I want the dot that was feeding info to Simian.  :lol:


LOL...guess what thought I went to sleep on last night? This is the biggy! But everyone is related to each other down there...maybe a Lorenzo connection?

Do you know if one of the Arends/Arendz own some sort of car business? Saw some posts on this yesterday, and am not sure the posters were not confusing the two Max guys.  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 08:32:17 AM
Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Se habla español...
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."

Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.


I am almost certain he was responding to Lil' Orphan as parentless one and I think (gray ape) he was talking about those of us who were questioning whether he was Simian or not...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 08:35:32 AM
Blonde...In response to your post yesterday in NAH...that was Private Eye's post and he was referring to Eric Williams IIRC. You should be able to get the link by checking his posts, as he has not posted much lately.

Good Morning vms...Can we connect some dots today?

I wish, Mum! I want the dot that was feeding info to Simian.  :lol:


LOL...guess what thought I went to sleep on last night? This is the biggy! But everyone is related to each other down there...maybe a Lorenzo connection?

Do you know if one of the Arends/Arendz own some sort of car business? Saw some posts on this yesterday, and am not sure the posters were not confusing the two Max guys.  TIA

Max Arendsz owns Aruba Speed Shop. Is that it?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:37:42 AM
Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Se habla español...
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."

Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.


I am almost certain he was responding to Lil' Orphan as parentless one and I think (gray ape) he was talking about those of us who were questioning whether he was Simian or not...


Thanks...see what happens when we just look at a few words or a phrase...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 08:39:05 AM
Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Se habla español...
Don't fear parentless one. "Only the gray ape would behave as they do."

Merian is opting for a more human form to avoid doppelgangers.


I am almost certain he was responding to Lil' Orphan as parentless one and I think (gray ape) he was talking about those of us who were questioning whether he was Simian or not...


Thanks...see what happens when we just look at a few words or a phrase...LOL

Exactly.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:41:25 AM
Blonde...In response to your post yesterday in NAH...that was Private Eye's post and he was referring to Eric Williams IIRC. You should be able to get the link by checking his posts, as he has not posted much lately.

Good Morning vms...Can we connect some dots today?

I wish, Mum! I want the dot that was feeding info to Simian.  :lol:


LOL...guess what thought I went to sleep on last night? This is the biggy! But everyone is related to each other down there...maybe a Lorenzo connection?

Do you know if one of the Arends/Arendz own some sort of car business? Saw some posts on this yesterday, and am not sure the posters were not confusing the two Max guys.  TIA

Max Arendsz owns Aruba Speed Shop. Is that it?


Of course...thanks...when I was reading from a search yesterday, for some reason I thought the posters were talking about young Max sitting in a car and a car business. Will go back and see where I if it makes more sense now!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 08:46:57 AM
Mum,

When Merian was posting, it got kind of heated at times. Sides were drawn by posters. We even went to seperate threads at one point. Those who wanted to humor all the forms of Simian and those who believed the new forms were imposters.

Remember when finngirl posted the peeps posts? Those were in context. A good example of how it would go at times...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 08:50:19 AM
Mum,

When Merian was posting, it got kind of heated at times. Sides were drawn by posters. We even went to seperate threads at one point. Those who wanted to humor all the forms of Simian and those who believed the new forms were imposters.

Remember when finngirl posted the peeps posts? Those were in context. A good example of how it would go at times...



Thanks...that explains Mirian's tone...I know just where to find those peeps posts...need to reread them...where is Finngirl?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 09:11:06 AM
Mum,

When Merian was posting, it got kind of heated at times. Sides were drawn by posters. We even went to seperate threads at one point. Those who wanted to humor all the forms of Simian and those who believed the new forms were imposters.

Remember when finngirl posted the peeps posts? Those were in context. A good example of how it would go at times...



Thanks...that explains Mirian's tone...I know just where to find those peeps posts...need to reread them...where is Finngirl?

I started a new thread for Peeps. I don't know where she is but I wish she would come back.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 09:13:41 AM
Mum,

When Merian was posting, it got kind of heated at times. Sides were drawn by posters. We even went to seperate threads at one point. Those who wanted to humor all the forms of Simian and those who believed the new forms were imposters.

Remember when finngirl posted the peeps posts? Those were in context. A good example of how it would go at times...



Thanks...that explains Mirian's tone...I know just where to find those peeps posts...need to reread them...where is Finngirl?

I started a new thread for Peeps. I don't know where she is but I wish she would come back.

Thanks...I WILL have to reread...I thought peeps was a male...LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 09:15:13 AM
Mum,

When Merian was posting, it got kind of heated at times. Sides were drawn by posters. We even went to seperate threads at one point. Those who wanted to humor all the forms of Simian and those who believed the new forms were imposters.

Remember when finngirl posted the peeps posts? Those were in context. A good example of how it would go at times...



Thanks...that explains Mirian's tone...I know just where to find those peeps posts...need to reread them...where is Finngirl?

I started a new thread for Peeps. I don't know where she is but I wish she would come back.

Thanks...I WILL have to reread...I thought peeps was a male...LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROFL. I didn't make that clear at all. 
I meant I wish finngirl would come back. :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 09:23:35 AM
Mum,

When Merian was posting, it got kind of heated at times. Sides were drawn by posters. We even went to seperate threads at one point. Those who wanted to humor all the forms of Simian and those who believed the new forms were imposters.

Remember when finngirl posted the peeps posts? Those were in context. A good example of how it would go at times...



Thanks...that explains Mirian's tone...I know just where to find those peeps posts...need to reread them...where is Finngirl?

I started a new thread for Peeps. I don't know where she is but I wish she would come back.

Thanks...I WILL have to reread...I thought peeps was a male...LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROFL. I didn't make that clear at all. 
I meant I wish finngirl would come back. :lol:



LOL...So do I...and peeps is male, right?

Better make more coffee!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 09:30:59 AM
I think I need espresso this morning.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, he is male.

MySpace Link (http://www.myspace.com/a_n_d_r_y)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 10:03:05 AM
This is a 23 year old Luis who is connected to Max Arends on his MySpace.  Does he look familiar?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 10:10:47 AM
Chata...I see you! Don't you think that Guido's hand may be too frumpy?

Sorry...Good Morning!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 10:14:17 AM
We could be getting closer.  This is 19 year old Luis Mnsr (Mansur?) who is a friend of Max Arends.  This Luis lists his home as Aruba and Charlottesville, Virginia.  Wasn't it another Luis Mansur who was the employer of the gardener, and a friend of Julia?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 10:21:01 AM
This is a 23 year old Luis who is connected to Max Arends on his MySpace.  Does he look familiar?





Not sure SS...I was looking at some-one yesterday...in school in Florida...doing film stuff, and will have to find it again. Sort of looked like that, but please remember that I am NOT a phot person! His name got my attention, and he was a character witness for Joran...Alexsander Zievinger...the surname has connections to the Radisson and the Mill Resort...

We had a Luis Rodriguez at ISA with Joran and Max...I bet that is him - he lied on his age! Was questioned 3 times and I have been trying to connect him to Freddy, his mom is Arambatzis Rodriguez Albert. BTW I think Luis was questioned on the same day as Freddy!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 10:23:23 AM
We could be getting closer.  This is 19 year old Luis Mnsr (Mansur?) who is a friend of Max Arends.  This Luis lists his home as Aruba and Charlottesville, Virginia.  Wasn't it another Luis Mansur who was the employer of the gardener, and a friend of Julia?



Eric Mansur IIRC...an Arends is related to a Mansur, again IIRC...niece and uncle...does that make it father and daughter to a brother?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 10:26:53 AM
We could be getting closer.  This is 19 year old Luis Mnsr (Mansur?) who is a friend of Max Arends.  This Luis lists his home as Aruba and Charlottesville, Virginia.  Wasn't it another Luis Mansur who was the employer of the gardener, and a friend of Julia?



Eric Mansur IIRC...an Arends is related to a Mansur, again IIRC...niece and uncle...does that make it father and daughter to a brother?


LOL...Luis or Eric maybe married an Arends...I think that is what I am trying to say?  Anyone else on Jossy's brothers?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
SS...I left you a post back on page 45 re the list that Klaas posted. Thanks...not sure if you can do anymore, but if you can it would be appreciated!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
SS...I left you a post back on page 45 re the list that Klaas posted. Thanks...not sure if you can do anymore, but if you can it would be appreciated!




Hi Mum,

I asked Klaas to post that information for me because I didn't have access to my computer.  The only Federal employee database that I have is for 2006, and I'm not sure if that includes Foreign Service.  The link that had been posted for the Foreign Service on here was huge which is why we were probably having trouble opening it.  It is .pdf and I was able to finally open it through a high spped line.  The file is dated 2004, though.  Post that link again and I will try to open it again on Monday.  Can you give me an idea of what I am looking for?  It's 124 pages.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 11:38:40 AM
SS...I left you a post back on page 45 re the list that Klaas posted. Thanks...not sure if you can do anymore, but if you can it would be appreciated!




Hi Mum,

I asked Klaas to post that information for me because I didn't have access to my computer.  The only Federal employee database that I have is for 2006, and I'm not sure if that includes Foreign Service.  The link that had been posted for the Foreign Service on here was huge which is why we were probably having trouble opening it.  It is .pdf and I was able to finally open it through a high spped line.  The file is dated 2004, though.  Post that link again and I will try to open it again on Monday.  Can you give me an idea of what I am looking for?  It's 124 pages.


Hi SS...looking for a woman who works in US Customs, mother of 'David Fisiitalia'...According to book, he played soccer with Joran and went to ISA and his mother came to Aruba and worked Customs! Another reference at the police station to Luis Mansur and a Customs woman? One further reference to the FBI interviewing 'David's' mother. Lots of reference to a David in the book especially in the Girlfriends chapter. Saw somewhere that he was at the Racquet Club on Monday, but need to find it again.

Vms came up with a myspace in Terra Haute, but not sure if it was him, as I am not sure if his name is even David...it may be a Marco thing!

It wouldn't be in the link I gave you, but I can repost that if you want it...I don't think I deleted it yet!

we would need to be looking for staff at the airport ie Customs, INS or maybe Homeland Security...and if she was questioned by the FBI, she may be back in the US.  Does this help?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 26, 2008, 12:34:01 PM
Anyone ever notice how everything seems to lead back to Florida?  So many of these mysterious posters have connections to Florida...they attended school there...they had friends there...

BTW thanks Mum for the info...I thought the search of the Sloots was limited to Joran's apartment only? I may be confused but does this say living room?  Must be the computers.  I wonder where the luminol was used?  Why would they have any reason to use luminol without suspicion of blood loss?

Name/Title: Forensic analysis
File No: 2005.06.10.113
Location: Laan van Ypenburg 6 2497 GB Den Haag
Date: 8 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dr. P. van den Hoven, Dr. C. Willemsen, Dr. D. Botter
Description: forensic investigation on swab samples taken from suspects, dust from rooms, bathroom articles, articles taken from living room, luminol investigation

Why would you consider a blood sample comparison if you had not determined that blood existed in Deepak's car? 

Name/Title: DNA comparison
File No: 2005.06.10.113
Date: 11 July 2005
Pages:12
Writer/Initiator: M. van der Scheer/Dr. RJ Bink/
Description: DNA comparison (between blood samples and Deepak Kalpoe's car seat samples)
Source: NFI
Lab nr: none
Location: Den Haag, Holland


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on April 26, 2008, 12:58:19 PM
SS...I left you a post back on page 45 re the list that Klaas posted. Thanks...not sure if you can do anymore, but if you can it would be appreciated!




Hi Mum,

I asked Klaas to post that information for me because I didn't have access to my computer.  The only Federal employee database that I have is for 2006, and I'm not sure if that includes Foreign Service.  The link that had been posted for the Foreign Service on here was huge which is why we were probably having trouble opening it.  It is .pdf and I was able to finally open it through a high spped line.  The file is dated 2004, though.  Post that link again and I will try to open it again on Monday.  Can you give me an idea of what I am looking for?  It's 124 pages.


Hi SS...looking for a woman who works in US Customs, mother of 'David Fisiitalia'...According to book, he played soccer with Joran and went to ISA and his mother came to Aruba and worked Customs! Another reference at the police station to Luis Mansur and a Customs woman? One further reference to the FBI interviewing 'David's' mother. Lots of reference to a David in the book especially in the Girlfriends chapter. Saw somewhere that he was at the Racquet Club on Monday, but need to find it again.

Vms came up with a myspace in Terra Haute, but not sure if it was him, as I am not sure if his name is even David...it may be a Marco thing!

It wouldn't be in the link I gave you, but I can repost that if you want it...I don't think I deleted it yet!

we would need to be looking for staff at the airport ie Customs, INS or maybe Homeland Security...and if she was questioned by the FBI, she may be back in the US.  Does this help?

I remember reading that a cousin of Jossy and Luis Mansur was down
on her luck and she and her son came to Aruba and they got her a job
in customs at the airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 26, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
Hmmmmmm!  Did someone say customs?  Airport?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 02:11:29 PM
SS...I left you a post back on page 45 re the list that Klaas posted. Thanks...not sure if you can do anymore, but if you can it would be appreciated!




Hi Mum,

I asked Klaas to post that information for me because I didn't have access to my computer.  The only Federal employee database that I have is for 2006, and I'm not sure if that includes Foreign Service.  The link that had been posted for the Foreign Service on here was huge which is why we were probably having trouble opening it.  It is .pdf and I was able to finally open it through a high spped line.  The file is dated 2004, though.  Post that link again and I will try to open it again on Monday.  Can you give me an idea of what I am looking for?  It's 124 pages.


Hi SS...looking for a woman who works in US Customs, mother of 'David Fisiitalia'...According to book, he played soccer with Joran and went to ISA and his mother came to Aruba and worked Customs! Another reference at the police station to Luis Mansur and a Customs woman? One further reference to the FBI interviewing 'David's' mother. Lots of reference to a David in the book especially in the Girlfriends chapter. Saw somewhere that he was at the Racquet Club on Monday, but need to find it again.

Vms came up with a myspace in Terra Haute, but not sure if it was him, as I am not sure if his name is even David...it may be a Marco thing!

It wouldn't be in the link I gave you, but I can repost that if you want it...I don't think I deleted it yet!

we would need to be looking for staff at the airport ie Customs, INS or maybe Homeland Security...and if she was questioned by the FBI, she may be back in the US.  Does this help?

I remember reading that a cousin of Jossy and Luis Mansur was down
on her luck and she and her son came to Aruba and they got her a job
in customs at the airport.


Very interesting Magnolia...Thanks...I don't think I ever heard of that...I was wondering how many staff the US would actually ship down there. It seems that nonessential personal would be hired from the locals.

Would make the customs woman at the police station fit in with Luis Mansur as well!

Think I will ask in the NAH thread...maybe some-else recalls it as well.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 02:20:59 PM
Anyone ever notice how everything seems to lead back to Florida?  So many of these mysterious posters have connections to Florida...they attended school there...they had friends there...

BTW thanks Mum for the info...I thought the search of the Sloots was limited to Joran's apartment only? I may be confused but does this say living room?  Must be the computers.  I wonder where the luminol was used?  Why would they have any reason to use luminol without suspicion of blood loss?

Name/Title: Forensic analysis
File No: 2005.06.10.113
Location: Laan van Ypenburg 6 2497 GB Den Haag
Date: 8 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dr. P. van den Hoven, Dr. C. Willemsen, Dr. D. Botter
Description: forensic investigation on swab samples taken from suspects, dust from rooms, bathroom articles, articles taken from living room, luminol investigation

Why would you consider a blood sample comparison if you had not determined that blood existed in Deepak's car? 

Name/Title: DNA comparison
File No: 2005.06.10.113
Date: 11 July 2005
Pages:12
Writer/Initiator: M. van der Scheer/Dr. RJ Bink/
Description: DNA comparison (between blood samples and Deepak Kalpoe's car seat samples)
Source: NFI
Lab nr: none
Location: Den Haag, Holland


Thanks Lala's...I went back to that a couple of times and somehow came up with the toothbrush from the hotel room, bathroom articles, now it is obvious it was not. Wasn't Beth staying in the room that Natalee was in after she arrived in Aruba? So nothing to do with the hotel!

So which house was dusted? The Sloots? The Kalpoes? Didn't they take Anita's camera on the first search and Paulus computer? Is there a cover-up of the search as well? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 02:33:52 PM
Magnolia...Thanks again!

Chapter 3 of Joran's book: Going at out Carlos & Charlies

page 4:
- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 03:08:54 PM
Another long shot...

Luis Vingal - Central Bank of Aruba - member of the board of directors.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 03:09:38 PM
Hmmmmmm!  Did someone say customs?  Airport?


AUA...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 03:16:06 PM
Another long shot...

Luis Vingal - Central Bank of Aruba - member of the board of directors.



There is R.R.Luis Vingal here...Savaneta...

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 03:41:42 PM
Nope!  :lol:

I see Mr. Swaen though.

Page 25:
www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 26, 2008, 04:06:58 PM
Nope!  :lol:

I see Mr. Swaen though.

Page 25:
www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069

VMS: Good day

Last Night I research more on the YellowHammer, I think it got to do with Central Bank Notes. or Someone in a Bank,

Nel tried to get rid of the Director, but it could not so must be someone else.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 04:23:37 PM
Nope!  :lol:

I see Mr. Swaen though.

Page 25:
www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069

VMS: Good day

Last Night I research more on the YellowHammer, I think it got to do with Central Bank Notes. or Someone in a Bank,

Nel tried to get rid of the Director, but it could not so must be someone else.



Hey Caps,

When I was on that wild goose chase I read that Swaen is the Chairman of the board for the Central Bank. Then I read that David Kock considers Swaen as a father figure. We know Paulus hired Kock for Deepak and Satish, right? Was Swaen also a mentor for Anthony Carlo? Are there any dots to connect there?

Rob says Armin's best friend in involved in Government finances in some capacity. If we could find out who Luis is, maybe that would help?

Just thinking out loud...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 26, 2008, 05:55:28 PM
SS...Luis at HI?

After this I told the girl that it was OK and that I would do my best to go to "Carlos & Charlies". After that the group of girls walked to the Sportsbar. In the Sportsbar I also saw to two acquaintances who were watching baseball. I greeted my two acquaintances, and told them that I was doing fine too, and that I would be going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I regularly meet them at Carlos & Charlies. The last name of Luis is "BETANCOURT". I do not know the last name of Joshua. Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan, and according to me Joshua is Colombian but I don't know that for sure.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 06:33:17 PM
Nope!  :lol:

I see Mr. Swaen though.

Page 25:
www.cbaruba.org/cba/readBlob.do?id=1069

VMS: Good day



I once read one of those rumor stories about Natalee and her uncle.  I think it was Jug's brother.  Supposedly he's an official with a bank - maybe it was called AmSouth.  This bank has holdings in Aruba and South America.  There was a rumor that Natalee was kidnapped because of this uncle and supposedly she is still alive, but they don't know what to do with her.  They have her in South America somewhere.
Last Night I research more on the YellowHammer, I think it got to do with Central Bank Notes. or Someone in a Bank,

Nel tried to get rid of the Director, but it could not so must be someone else.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
VMS - I'm sorry, I jumped in the middle of your post.


Does anyone have any information on Giovanni Solognier?  I have found nothing.  How old is he and is he connected to Joran or to the older men?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 06:50:35 PM
Scratch my post on the attorney

David Kock represented Alex Mathew. I did not know that.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 26, 2008, 06:52:19 PM
VMS - I'm sorry, I jumped in the middle of your post.


Does anyone have any information on Giovanni Solognier?  I have found nothing.  How old is he and is he connected to Joran or to the older men?

Don't you just wish we had an edit button? I needed it in my last post!  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 07:00:30 PM
This is from Alana Jordan

http://scrux.com/natalee/alanapostings.htm

Jun 26, 2005 4:37 pm:  (Responding, to someone stating the Twitty involvement theory, "$120 million is a lot of dough ....that the "businessmen" in Panama and Nicarauga would want to recoup...  Natalee's Uncle Tom is head of ALL investment services for AmSouth Bank in Birmingham, but yet he filed a new corporation just for himself in Rhode Island in late 2004 and named it Amsouth Investment Corp... not accusing...just found it as part of new corporate filings...  The scheme at AmSouth for which the bank ended up in court involved Panamanian and Nicaraugan banks...one of the indicted was a Robert Picou, a Panamanian who is said to be in hiding in Nicarauga or Panama   The scheme further involved a Jackson, Mississippi securities trader and a Memphis lawyer...and Clinton, Mississippi is a suburb of Jackson...it is where Dave Holloway lives and from which Beth and Jug Twitty (Tom's twin brother) moved to Birmingham:...just too many coincidences for me....  If Tom hid money for himself and the Panama and Nicarauga "businessmen" wanted their money back, maybe they needed a way to "force" the issue?? makes ya go hmmm.... maybe the guy on the plane with Natalee that is missing??? They've never given his name? cause it might come up in connection with the SEC cases??  Or the Twitty brothers could have been innocently involved and testified about the scheme and this could be revenge against them... ")
I know these people... this isn't true. This is just another conspiracy theory used to detract attention away from the truth. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 26, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
Chata...I see you! Don't you think that Guido's hand may be too frumpy?

Sorry...Good Morning!

Hi Mum,
It's not morning any more ... my grandchildren came over and I had to leave the computer.  But yes, Guido probably does have a frumpy hand, but smallish.  A lot of those guys have smallish hands ... at least they appear to be in the photos I have seen.

There are a couple of pics of Max (the photo taker) that show his hands ... very delicate looking. That hand in the famous pic is like that.  Find a hand that matches and there is the 4th guy.  I did look at some of the pics I have cached away, but the only one that is close is Max.  Does not mean it is him, just that he has that type hand.  All IMO.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 07:25:29 PM
Jar is/was a VP in an investment part of AMSouth.

There were two rumors started about a month ago. Both I think first appeared on Scared Monkeys. It claimed a link between Twitty and laundering money in South America, a "Nicaragua investment scam". It had links to two LONG U.S. legal documents that covered the case and AMSouth was fined. However, reading the documents did not show a connection. The rumor also suggested that is why Natalee was kidnapped and removed to S.A.

http://biz.yahoo.com/law/050602/4f0ab45b588c6018ac45a3f627fb6ac5.html?.v=1
"Two men had been running a Ponzi scheme and funneling money through AmSouth. Both men were caught and sentenced to long prison terms. The victims lost about $10 million, virtually all of which was recovered through civil litigation. AmSouth was culpable because it should have caught the scheme and reported it to banking regulators, but never did."

Jar is/was a VP in an investment part of AMSouth.

There were two rumors started about a month ago. Both I think first appeared on Scared Monkeys. It claimed a link between Twitty and laundering money in South America, a "Nicaragua investment scam". It had links to two LONG U.S. legal documents that covered the case and AMSouth was fined. However, reading the documents did not show a connection. The rumor also suggested that is why Natalee was kidnapped and removed to S.A.

http://biz.yahoo.com/law/050602/4f0ab45b588c6018ac45a3f627fb6ac5.html?.v=1
"Two men had been running a Ponzi scheme and funneling money through AmSouth. Both men were caught and sentenced to long prison terms. The victims lost about $10 million, virtually all of which was recovered through civil litigation. AmSouth was culpable because it should have caught the scheme and reported it to banking regulators, but never did."
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1014_n.php


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 26, 2008, 08:09:09 PM
VMS - I'm sorry, I jumped in the middle of your post.


Does anyone have any information on Giovanni Solognier?  I have found nothing.  How old is he and is he connected to Joran or to the older men?

Don't you just wish we had an edit button? I needed it in my last post!  :lol:

Don't you just wish we had an edit button


 YES


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 26, 2008, 08:23:55 PM
Steve Ceos has a new MySpace site.  He goes by Steve Gregg.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=20567795

Steve Croes claimed not to know Joran and the pimps, but there are some common people on Steve's site and the site of Max Arends.  The girl is GW and the boy is Ian Molina.  They communicate with Steve and Max regularly.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 26, 2008, 08:37:04 PM
So are we now going to say that Natalee was kidnapped and carried off to South America because of her uncle's dealings with a bank?  Hmmmmm.  That would also make it anyone but Joran....again. 

Even Simian and Shango worked from the Occam's theory of keep it simple.  The corruption is complicated but Natalee's disappearance is not.  I want to know why Joran and the Kalpoes are never implicated in any of these theories?  Why are they so nicely insulated by both Shango and Simian? Protecting those 3 has cost that island so much misery it is ridiculous...and yet...they still let it happen. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 26, 2008, 08:49:29 PM
Magnolia...Thanks again!

Chapter 3 of Joran's book: Going at out Carlos & Charlies

page 4:
- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0


Ok I am no longer up to par on Shango but I do remember a post that only David left the den alive.

Does this lead us back to the Lions Den or could there be other dens as well?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 26, 2008, 08:52:26 PM
Magnolia...Thanks again!

Chapter 3 of Joran's book: Going at out Carlos & Charlies

page 4:
- David Fisiitalia also became a friend of Joran's, he met him at ISA. He came from Seattle in 2003 and moved to Aruba because his mom started working with the US customs office on the island. They hung around a lot in each other's houses and played soccer with friends at a field near Joran's house.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0


Messed up Magnolias post. Sorry.

Ok I am no longer up to par on Shango but I do remember a post that only David left the den alive.

Does this lead us back to the Lions Den or could there be other dens as well?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 26, 2008, 08:56:25 PM
I also no longer have any of my links because of a computer crash and a new computer.

Does anyone remember the supposed runaway letter that was sent to PVDS. ?
Who was the supposed authors first name?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 26, 2008, 09:51:09 PM
Steve Ceos has a new MySpace site.  He goes by Steve Gregg.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=20567795

Steve Croes claimed not to know Joran and the pimps, but there are some common people on Steve's site and the site of Max Arends.  The girl is GW and the boy is Ian Molina.  They communicate with Steve and Max regularly.


Im steve croes bitches and im back on the road
Interesting that he is in so many pics with cheremy croes,is that his little brother?

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/1-8.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 26, 2008, 10:06:58 PM
I also no longer have any of my links because of a computer crash and a new computer.

Does anyone remember the supposed runaway letter that was sent to PVDS. ?
Who was the supposed authors first name?
I believe it was david


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 27, 2008, 02:56:08 AM

haven't posted much lately

had major gomboo which affected my brain
and AFAIK my provider has the gomboo as well ...
as my access has been hit/miss

this thread reflects a lot of good thinking/research ...
not downplaying that at all ...
but I'm really lost/confused sometimes

seems like it goes in a gazillion directions
but I don't see many wrap-ups/tie-ins

then again, could be my gomboo'd brain, LOL ...
I'll keep reading even tho I may not have much to offer

someone asked about the Peeps posts ...
they're in the "things we forgot we knew" thread,
which is only 2 pages ... and IIRC Peeps is on page 1

I'm lost re Freddy not being on our radar until august 2005 ... ???
... as many threadsurfers were interested in him/Jaime by mid-june

there are some FP posts in the "forgot we knew" thread
mentioning early MSM reports that bodily fluids were found in a car trunk,
not in the passenger seating area

which is heartbreaking ...
in light of Jug saying that, if he could do it over again,
he would've looked in the trunk of Deepak's car that first night

reminds me of the Polly Klaas murder in NoCal:
Richard Davis had kidnapped her/had her in his car,
attempted a turn-around on a road in the boonies/got the car stuck

he led Polly not very far way/sat her near a tree
while he worked at getting the vehicle unstuck,
warning her to remain quiet/threatening her family

LE happened by, chatted w/ Davis re his situation/drove off

Polly never said a word, as she was a frightened/obedient child ...
even tho she was thatclose to rescue/resolution

not saying that Natalee was inside the trunk that night ...
but who's to say what evidence a peek might have revealed?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 27, 2008, 08:25:03 AM
I also no longer have any of my links because of a computer crash and a new computer.

Does anyone remember the supposed runaway letter that was sent to PVDS. ?
Who was the supposed authors first name?
I believe it was david


Posted by Tamikosmom..

+++++++++++

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=212.msg33814;topicseen#msg33814

August 1, 2005

To whom it may concern,

The problems for the people of Aruba has gone on long enough.

Natalee is alive, well and safe from Jug. We are staying with my family where Mrs. Holloway cannot find her and she is protected from Jug's sexual advances.

First Natalee and I would like to apologize to the people of Aruba for the troubles that they have endured, we did not believe that Mrs. Holloway and her husband would carry things this far just to get attention for themselves.

We sent a letter to Mrs. Holloway before leaving to explain what we were doing and why.

We believe that she must have received the letter shortly before Natalee was reported as missing since she made such a quick trip to Aruba and started looking for some one to blame right away, to take the responsibility away from Jug.

We are certain that you will understand why Natalee had to do this when Mrs. Holloway and Jug finally admit to truth and allow it to come out to the public.

We are requesting that the reward for Natalee's safe return be given to the people of Aruba when Natalee comes back. But several things will need to take place and change before that happens.

We had this planned for several weeks, but did not believe it would work this well.

It most likely would not have if the boys had not mistakenly claimed that they had picked Natalee up in the morning of her disappearance and Mrs. Holloway had not jumped on too that and held on like a bulldog, sending the police and other search teams off in the wrong direction.

Natalee got into a car with me and the two persons that aided us in getting off Aruba after leaving Carlos and Charlie's. We apparently succeeded in not being seen together before we left, although we were seeing each other almost every day to complete our plans and make final preparations.

Natalee did not want to spoil the trip for the rest of her classmates by leaving any sooner although we were ready earlier.

You can try to locate us if you want. But we are sending these letters through five different friends in different areas in sealed, preaddressed and prepaid packages with instructions for each to send the next package of envelopes to the next person, so only the first person will know where the original was mailed from and no one will know if he/she was the first. The final person will then send the individual letters to Aruba, Holland and the United States.

Since three persons have suffered the most at the hands of Mrs. Holloway and her husband we want to reward the information of Natalee's location to go to these persons.

Joran and the two other boys made a mistake by saying that Natalee was the person that they were with. At the time that they were describing as being with Natalee we were completely off Aruba and on our way home, although their mistaken identity and Mrs. Holoway and her husband's persecution of innocent boys definitely helped as we were held up for eighteen days trying to get out of the country we went to, we were afraid that we would be found at any time.

Except for Mrs. Holloway's persistence to cover the fact that Natalee had left on her own that led the police in the wrong direction the police would have been able to find when, where and how we left Aruba and we would have most likely been located before we got back into the United States, and then to our present location.

We were very glad to see that two of the boys were released and hope that the third boy will be released soon.

If any of the reports of statements alleged to have been made by Joran are true Aruba has a problem with Joran but it does not involve Natalee.

If you will pay attention to Natalee's friends and classmates you might get the message that Joran and the two other boys are not involved in Natalee's disappearance. In every interview that they have taken part in they have all said that they have not seen Natalee and Joran together, only that Natalee left in a car with three persons.

Please advise if these conditions are acceptable to Mrs. Holloway and her husband.

When Natalee is ready to let you know where she is we will send another letter, although is will most likely be after she delivers what she believes to be Jug's baby by rape.

The baby is due in mid December. Natalee is doing well and has a good doctor.

To assure authenticity you will find Natalee's finger prints and a sample of her DNA on some if not all of the twenty letters we sent. We know for certain that the letters to the police labs in the United States and Holland contain these items.

David & Natalee
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2523.msg329313#msg329313



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 27, 2008, 08:29:26 AM

haven't posted much lately

had major gomboo which affected my brain
and AFAIK my provider has the gomboo as well ...
as my access has been hit/miss

this thread reflects a lot of good thinking/research ...
not downplaying that at all ...
but I'm really lost/confused sometimes

seems like it goes in a gazillion directions
but I don't see many wrap-ups/tie-ins

then again, could be my gomboo'd brain, LOL ...
I'll keep reading even tho I may not have much to offer

someone asked about the Peeps posts ...
they're in the "things we forgot we knew" thread,
which is only 2 pages ... and IIRC Peeps is on page 1

I'm lost re Freddy not being on our radar until august 2005 ... ???
... as many threadsurfers were interested in him/Jaime by mid-june

there are some FP posts in the "forgot we knew" thread
mentioning early MSM reports that bodily fluids were found in a car trunk,
not in the passenger seating area

which is heartbreaking ...
in light of Jug saying that, if he could do it over again,
he would've looked in the trunk of Deepak's car that first night

reminds me of the Polly Klaas murder in NoCal:
Richard Davis had kidnapped her/had her in his car,
attempted a turn-around on a road in the boonies/got the car stuck

he led Polly not very far way/sat her near a tree
while he worked at getting the vehicle unstuck,
warning her to remain quiet/threatening her family

LE happened by, chatted w/ Davis re his situation/drove off

Polly never said a word, as she was a frightened/obedient child ...
even tho she was thatclose to rescue/resolution

not saying that Natalee was inside the trunk that night ...
but who's to say what evidence a peek might have revealed?




Hi Finn...vms set me straight on Freddy...that great memory doesn't have anything on Jossy's cousin working in Customs, does it? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 27, 2008, 09:21:10 AM
Good morning, all.

finngirl,

Glad to see you back.
I agree about the thread going in a gazillion directions. Things get buried, forgotten, and never carried to completion.

Sorry, I did not realize you had the Peeps posts in the We Forgot We Knew thread. :oops:
Hopefully Klaas will read and delete mine. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 27, 2008, 09:34:38 AM
This was all I can find on the  blood in the trunk.

ABC News:
BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.

Diario Newspaper
human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody

Prime Minster Oduber
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

FBI and Several Aruban Police officers
FBI: Told the Family there was Blood was all over the Kalpoe car.
Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.


http://tinyurl.com/6yah77


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 27, 2008, 10:40:35 AM
This was all I can find on the  blood in the trunk.

ABC News:
BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.

Diario Newspaper
human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody

Prime Minster Oduber
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

FBI and Several Aruban Police officers
FBI: Told the Family there was Blood was all over the Kalpoe car.
Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.


http://tinyurl.com/6yah77


Hi Blonde, hey good point, but why would the Kalpoes be driving around with visible blood in their car for 10 days? We know from the neighbor of the Kalpoes that they cleaned the car at 3 - 3:30 am on the night in question, and it seems it was three people cleaning the car. So, my question or thought is this - we now know that Beth gave the blood sample on 6-10-2005 wouldn't it have been possible that the blood was planted after the car was confiscated by the ALE? Couldn't that be Beth's blood? They already had her sample. We need to look at the times and see if there was a possibility that Papito planted the blood.

I seriously doubt that there was visible blood, the Kalpoes would have cleaned that. There is no way they are driving around Aruba for 10 days with that much blood in the car. The following day, they went to the van der Sloots and had the pool side chat. That would have had to have seen anything they missed that morning when day broke.

Oduber is on the record on 6-11-2005 stating there was blood. A day earlier they had Beth's sample. I wonder if this was going to be the next frame job and then Joran admitted he was last seem with Natalee by his own admission... that would have shot framing the Kalpoes alone down the toilet.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 27, 2008, 01:36:25 PM



Magna…the Racquet Club is his second home!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/dy.html


Name: Magda Hilaria Frans
Date: 21 June 2005 / 11:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement by a Racquet Club employee


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on April 27, 2008, 05:29:51 PM



Magna…the Racquet Club is his second home!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/dy.html


Name: Magda Hilaria Frans
Date: 21 June 2005 / 11:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement by a Racquet Club employee


Mum,
I remember reading this. 
Another thing Magda brings up is the idea of village, where everyone knows everyone.  And the American girls who arrive weekly, and the boys waiting for them.  Seems to be saying easy pickins!!!  IMO.  And this was early on.  Thanks for posting it.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 27, 2008, 06:33:34 PM
A few updates for the photo album. ::MonkeyWink::

Satish, Michael Anthony (Dompig who calims to be married, but there's no evidence of a wife), Kawish, Deepak, Michael and possibly his wife, Michael and Satish, Kawish and Michael.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 27, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
******* and Mom in Ohio , thanks for your response.

David was the name I was thinking of as well on the letter but I also keep thinking of Shango's line "Only David left the den alive."

Was David set  up to be a scapegoat?  Or was he somehow involved? Since Joran mentions a David in his book it just makes me wonder. JMHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 27, 2008, 11:07:13 PM
******* and Mom in Ohio , thanks for your response.

David was the name I was thinking of as well on the letter but I also keep thinking of Shango's line "Only David left the den alive."

Was David set  up to be a scapegoat?  Or was he somehow involved? Since Joran mentions a David in his book it just makes me wonder. JMHO

Sam,

I had similar thoughts earlier, but didn't know how to connect them, besides what you have mentioned....Shango mentioned David on 6/28/05 and the letter was dated later...I think 8/1, iirc......


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 28, 2008, 02:03:30 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I need help this man, any photos. **** Important ******

Lawyer Langerak, Paul D inAruba. All Info special picture.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 28, 2008, 02:40:27 AM
This was all I can find on the  blood in the trunk.

ABC News:
BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR.

Diario Newspaper
human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody

Prime Minster Oduber
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?

FBI and Several Aruban Police officers
FBI: Told the Family there was Blood was all over the Kalpoe car.
Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.

http://tinyurl.com/6yah77


Hi Blonde, hey good point, but why would the Kalpoes be driving around with visible blood in their car for 10 days?

I seriously doubt that there was visible blood, the Kalpoes would have cleaned that. There is no way they are driving around Aruba for 10 days with that much blood in the car.

Oduber is on the record on 6-11-2005 stating there was blood. A day earlier they had Beth's sample. I wonder if this was going to be the next frame job and then Joran admitted he was last seem with Natalee by his own admission... that would have shot framing the Kalpoes alone down the toilet.

I can't assume that it was blood/that it was visible,
but I know the following was being reported
right after the weekend of confession/no confession

(including references to verbal rather than website MSM reports)

serenity2000 on June 12th, 2005 4:38 pm
Per Karl Penhaul of CNN: The sample of “blood” that was sent to VA is NOT BLOOD. No word on what it is though. This was just broadcasted on CNN…..they may retract it soon but anyway that’s the latest.

serenity2000 on June 12th, 2005 4:41 pm
Kat, CNN just announced that it is NOT blood that was found in the car but that there is no word on what it is.

KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 4:45 pm
That would be strange since there are initial tests you do to confirm “blood” evidence prior to sending it off for testing.

Catriana on June 12th, 2005 4:56 pm
Fox news is now reporting that blood taken from the car was not blood, that it could have been saliva, but that it was NOT blood.

Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 4:57 pm
FOX, News Alert. Substance found in car, not blood.

MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 4:57 pm
It is definitley not blood. Could be saliva but it is not an issue because the boys admitted she was in the car. FOXNEWS

DT on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm
HOW do you confuse blood and saliva. Also if it was saliva found was it still in the trunk or was that wrong as well.

Kat on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm
Jesus, this whole thing is a freak show…

Tila_Bean on June 12th, 2005 5:01 pm
I agree Kat, it is a freak show. To confuse blood from saliva is, I don’t even have the words. Mind you a whole day has passed.

Aruban Authorities Investigate Blood in Car
Sunday, June 12, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway were seeking clues on the source of blood found in the car used to transport the missing teen to the beach nearly two weeks ago, Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes said.

owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:14 pm
It was intersting to me that your prime minister practically guaranteed it would be solved in 24 hours on Geraldo last night..made me wonder if they’d found her and were moving her back onto the Island..thats why I have started thinkin this way recently

DT on June 12th, 2005 5:16 pm
Any word yet if the substance was found in trunk like previous reports stated?

KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:51 pm
Scared…I have one TV on Fox news and one on CNN and another laptop on Fox News online and I don’t see a thing about the blood not being blood.

ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:52 pm
My findings too KerinTX.

serenity2000 on June 12th, 2005 6:00 pm
# DT Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Why does it have to be on the website? Myself, and several others have seen it reported on Fox NEws Channel clearly and plainly.

**LOL** I’ve already heard it twice on CNN myself. People may just have to tune into CNN or Fox and hear it with their own ears (I can be that way myself sometimes).

KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm
Scared…Ok FOX News just said it is not blood in the car.

Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:02 pm
Fox and CNN have apparently made the decision that breaking news will be delivered only verbally, not posted on their websites.

Kipster on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm
Good catch Dallas. CNN & FOX don’t want anymore f-ups in Google’s cache. “Confession Made”, “Body Found…idiots.

arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:57 pm
Wow, Top 95 was doing so well, and now they’ve gone to the deep end…

Kipster on June 12th, 2005 7:07 pm
What are Top95 saying? Hearing a lot of “Natalee”.

arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:08 pm
Talking about the blood, whose it is, who said what, etc.

DT on June 12th, 2005 7:10 pm
Has there been any news since the whole “blood isn’t really blood” thing?

mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm
arubagirl, I’d love to be updated on the “facts” of the blood. Was it blood or other fluid, which car, whose car, seat or trunk, etc. Some of the things published and reported today seem to be fabrications rather than facts.

--- on June 12th, 2005 7:12 pm
wait, what is going on with the “blood” ordeal?

DT on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm
Fox is reporting that it was not blood found, but something else, for those asking.

arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm
mustique, nothing official yet. The radio station says that according to them, it wasn’t her blood. But nothing from cops/FBI/prosecutor.

--- on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm
What was it then?

MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm
It wasn’t blood, possibly saliva. But because the boys say she was in the car, it gives no lead.

mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:19 pm
Arubagirl, did Top95 say anything about the substance not being blood? Has anyone besides Fox said it was not blood? Has anyone besides Fox said it was found in the trunk and not the seat as we first heard? And always, thank you.

Rick on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm
The PM yesterday on Geraldo *promised* there’d be some conclusion to this case by today. He’s set to give a speech in a few minutes. If he rambles on about how he and his island are doing all they can, but there’s nothing to report - I expect you will see a shitstorm of criticism heaped upon him and his law enforcement people.

Let’s see what happens.. Apart from that and today’s excavation at the lighthouse which revealed nothing - I dont think there’s anything to report. The fact that they did do an excavation tells me they have no idea where the body may be, despite having the 3 kids in custody and subjecting them to interrogation..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.20



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on April 28, 2008, 03:02:22 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I need help this man, any photos. **** Important ******

Lawyer Langerak, Paul D inAruba. All Info special picture.


Hey Caps...Here's an article tht mentions Him at this link...
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=101


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 28, 2008, 03:09:57 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I need help this man, any photos. **** Important ******

Lawyer Langerak, Paul D inAruba. All Info special picture.


Hey Caps...Here's an article tht mentions Him at this link...
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=101


we need to compare his picture to statish


I


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 04:53:39 AM



Magna…the Racquet Club is his second home!

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/dy.html


Name: Magda Hilaria Frans
Date: 21 June 2005 / 11:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Giovanni Heyliger
Description: witness statement by a Racquet Club employee


Mum,
I remember reading this. 
Another thing Magda brings up is the idea of village, where everyone knows everyone.  And the American girls who arrive weekly, and the boys waiting for them.  Seems to be saying easy pickins!!!  IMO.  And this was early on.  Thanks for posting it.

CHATA


Hi Chata...I didn't post any quotes from the link as I found it really hard to work out just what Magna was saying and what Melody was saying! I need to go back and read it again, but it seemed to me yesterday that Magna and Melody knew each other!

IIRC Melody lived near the hotels somewhere and Joran knew a quick way to his house. Would the Racquet Club be considered near the hotels?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 05:53:03 AM
******* and Mom in Ohio , thanks for your response.

David was the name I was thinking of as well on the letter but I also keep thinking of Shango's line "Only David left the den alive."

Was David set  up to be a scapegoat?  Or was he somehow involved? Since Joran mentions a David in his book it just makes me wonder. JMHO

Sam,

I had similar thoughts earlier, but didn't know how to connect them, besides what you have mentioned....Shango mentioned David on 6/28/05 and the letter was dated later...I think 8/1, iirc......



Hi Sam and 2NJSons…

Only David left the den alive is why David Fisiitalia caught my attention. Also tried checking on David Wever, who may be Guido's older brother.

In this chapter from Joran's book, Joran only mentions Sander one more time, and then it is all about Koen and David. There isn’t any more about Freddy or Jaime either in this little story! No mention of David being there initially, but then he is all over the place!

IIRC, Sander was seen in a lot of pics with Karen, we have one if I recall correctly. Maybe ‘David’ is a Marco thing and ‘David’ is really Sander Gottenbos!

Just another ‘out of the box’ thought….did they rent a hotel room on Memorial Day weekend as well? With so many American kids at ISA, did they even have school that Monday? ISA is partially funded by the US State Department…just thinking out loud…


CHAPTER 5 – GIRLFRIENDS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.0

page 2:

- Joran met Melody together with her friend Abi in a hotel during Easter break.Koen, Sander, Jaime, Freddy and myself had rented a room there. A lot of locals do this during this vacation. Then you can party without interruption from your parents. Play a lot of loud music, booze up, chill and go out and relax. Nobody would bother looking at how late you got in.

page 6:

- Soon after splitting with Melody I got a new girlfriend and dumped Karen proper, she then went on to be David's girlfriend


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 05:56:29 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2008, 06:57:06 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Yet another forum.  Do you have a link for NAH?

Edited to add:  Someone please email me the link to the NAH forum that Mum is referring to.  TIA
smklaas@hotmail.com

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/HOOTERS.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 09:09:18 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Good morning, Mum. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/michaelanthonydompig 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 09:16:41 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Good morning, Mum. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/michaelanthonydompig 



Good Morning vms...Thanks!

Klaas...I just replied in the Natalee Case Discussion thread


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2008, 09:18:40 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Good morning, Mum. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/michaelanthonydompig 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Hooters2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 09:22:21 AM
I think its funny that they would patronize Jossy's restaurant.  :lol:



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 09:25:28 AM
I think its funny that they would patronize Jossy's restaurant.  :lol:




So Hooter's is Jossy's?

I wonder if it is hangout after paintball?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 09:27:16 AM
I think its funny that they would patronize Jossy's restaurant.  :lol:




So Hooter's is Jossy's?

I wonder if it is hangout after paintball?

HOOTERS N.V.
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=20692


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 09:28:33 AM
Sorry I don't mean to be cryptic, but Melody said her boyfriend broke his arm playing paintball. I have been trying to see if Michael played paintball, but they were nearly all vids, and I don't want a time-out for opening too many!

Anyway Jossy is big on paintball!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 09:36:27 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Good morning, Mum. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/michaelanthonydompig 



Vms...do you have to have a myspace to open these that are set to private or can only his friends see?  TIA

I see he was there yesterday...I wonder if he did some editing!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 09:41:45 AM
Hi Monkeys,

I need help this man, any photos. **** Important ******

Lawyer Langerak, Paul D inAruba. All Info special picture.


Hey Caps...Here's an article tht mentions Him at this link...
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=101


we need to compare his picture to statish


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Why do we need to compare the pictures?  Are they related? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 09:48:55 AM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Good morning, Mum. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/michaelanthonydompig 



Vms...do you have to have a myspace to open these that are set to private or can only his friends see?  TIA

I see he was there yesterday...I wonder if he did some editing!

If the person has it set to private, you can't see anything unless they add you as a friend.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 09:54:56 AM
Mum
Would you mind connecting the dots on the Melody, paintball, boyfriend, Jossy connection.  I am lost again...even with you!  LOL  Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 10:07:29 AM
Mum
Would you mind connecting the dots on the Melody, paintball, boyfriend, Jossy connection.  I am lost again...even with you!  LOL  Thanks!


LOL...In a post yesterday, the one about Melody being down on her luck, boyfriend's Dad security business went out of bussiness, she said he got another job, but broke his arm playing paintball and was off work. Because of the Security business, and Dompig's going under a little while back, I wondered of the boyfriend was not Michael Dompig.

So I have been looking for a Michael Dompig and paintball connection. Haven't found one yet!

As it turns out, Jossy is big on paintball. And this morning vms posts that the group pic is at Jossy's restaurant.

Just a whole lot more dots...Lala's1


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 10:11:51 AM
I see...well, not really, but that's fine..I am confused every time I read over here so what's new? LOL

So we are thinking that Michael is her baby's daddy?  Hmmmmm.
I thought Dompig still had that business..I must have missed that closing.

Thanks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 10:20:18 AM
I see...well, not really, but that's fine..I am confused every time I read over here so what's new? LOL

So we are thinking that Michael is her baby's daddy?  Hmmmmm.
I thought Dompig still had that business..I must have missed that closing.

Thanks.


I recall reading that it went under about 6-8 weeks ago! I don't recall what it was called to look at the registry. But I really could not see much demand in Aruba for an anti-terrorism security firm.

Michael was the first one that popped into my head, as GVC and his Dad were in Holland in May of 2006 and the mom did an interview after the charges were dropped in December I think, from Holland as well.

His myspace, Michael's, says he is married...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 10:29:26 AM
IIRC, MD's girfriend's name is Emy. Not sure if they are still together but he claimed to be engaged at one time...

Shield Group still active:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 10:31:37 AM
I found the company, but I can't find it in the Registry? Will keep looking..

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/

After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 10:35:36 AM
IIRC, MD's girfriend's name is Emy. Not sure if they are still together but he claimed to be engaged at one time...

Shield Group still active:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301


Thanks vms...so we can maybe take MD off the list.

What about Rob's Luis??? Anything???



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
I found the company, but I can't find it in the Registry? Will keep looking..

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/

After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.



SHIELD GROUP N.V.  
 
Business address BOEGOEROEI 13-D, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  17 JULY 2006 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DOMPIG-NAAR, ANJELIE NIRMALA; 
Residing in  TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 APRIL 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  17 JULY 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
DOMPIG, GEROLD GEORGE; 
Residing in  TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, PARAMARIBO on 13 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  20 NOVEMBER 2007 
Authority  FULL 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 10:58:24 AM
I found the company, but I can't find it in the Registry? Will keep looking..

http://shieldgroupworldwide.com/data/home/aboutus/

After military-and police training in the Caribbean, Holland, UK and USA and almost 20 years in Law-Enforcement senior command positions in the Netherlands and Aruba of which the last 5 years as Deputy-Chief of Police in Aruba, Mr. Gerold Dompig is the founder of Shield Group Inc. and he now offers Risk/Security Management services directly to costumers trough this privately established company.



SHIELD GROUP N.V.  
 
Business address BOEGOEROEI 13-D, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  SHIELD GROUP N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  17 JULY 2006 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DOMPIG-NAAR, ANJELIE NIRMALA; 
Residing in  TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 11 APRIL 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  17 JULY 2006 
Authority  FULL 
   
DOMPIG, GEROLD GEORGE; 
Residing in  TUMBA 38, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, PARAMARIBO on 13 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  20 NOVEMBER 2007 
Authority  FULL 



Thanks Klaas...Need to connect all the dots here as well... Booti is Dompig's wife's sister, IIRC and I believe the Kalpoes were born in Paramariboo, but I am not sure how they are related.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 12:09:34 PM
Have we compared Satish's photo with this lawyer Caps was talking about yet?  I want to know what that is all about.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 12:18:30 PM
SS...Good Morning!...Were the links for those pictures the ones posted on NAH yesterday? I haven't opened them all yet, so thought you could steer me to where the group pic of Michael came from. TIA

Yet another forum.  Do you have a link for NAH?

Edited to add:  Someone please email me the link to the NAH forum that Mum is referring to.  TIA
smklaas@hotmail.com

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/HOOTERS.jpg)




Hi Klaas,

If those pictures were on NAH yesterday, they borrowed them from us.  I found them while digging through MySpace. The ones for Michael Dompig were from his "pictures" section on his MySpace site titled Michael Anthony.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 28, 2008, 12:24:25 PM
Have we compared Satish's photo with this lawyer Caps was talking about yet?  I want to know what that is all about.

I haven't found a photo of Langerak (sp?)....but found this article and wonder if it's connected  ::MonkeyRoll:: :

http://www.gay.eu/article/10173/all/Homophobic_Aruba_Ministers


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 12:33:50 PM
Anyone can look at a MySpace account if it isn't set to private.  Michael Dompig, Chemaly, Steve Croes, Max Arends, and Ernesto don't have their pages set to private.  To get beyond the first page, you have to be a registered MySpace user.  There is a section where the friends are listed and by clicking on "see all", you can view pages and pictures of friends they communicate with.  If you click "view pics", under the person's photograph and introduction, it will take you to pages of photographs that they have posted.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 12:54:19 PM
Here is the link to Michael Anthony's MySpace.  It's Michael Anthony Dompig.

profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi
=150098728


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 12:55:26 PM
Anyone can look at a MySpace account if it isn't set to private.  Michael Dompig, Chemaly, Steve Croes, Max Arends, and Ernesto don't have their pages set to private.  To get beyond the first page, you have to be a registered MySpace user.  There is a section where the friends are listed and by clicking on "see all", you can view pages and pictures of friends they communicate with.  If you click "view pics", under the person's photograph and introduction, it will take you to pages of photographs that they have posted.


Hi SS...No luck for me getting in Michael's this morning...he was there yesterday and that was as far as I could go!  No pics for me...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 12:56:24 PM
Here is the link to the MySpace of Steve Gregg aka Steve Croes.

profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi
=20567795


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 12:59:36 PM
Have we compared Satish's photo with this lawyer Caps was talking about yet?  I want to know what that is all about.

I haven't found a photo of Langerak (sp?)....but found this article and wonder if it's connected  ::MonkeyRoll:: :

http://www.gay.eu/article/10173/all/Homophobic_Aruba_Ministers


Hi 2NJSons...I see we walked a similar path this morning!...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 01:03:43 PM
Hi Mum,

Try this link for Dompig's page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=150098728


I'm not at my normal computer and I'm have trouble bringing the link over.  Try going to MySpace search at the top of the page.  Type Michael Anthony Aruba and set the selection for "MySpace", not "people".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on April 28, 2008, 01:04:14 PM
Have we compared Satish's photo with this lawyer Caps was talking about yet?  I want to know what that is all about.

I haven't found a photo of Langerak (sp?)....but found this article and wonder if it's connected  ::MonkeyRoll:: :

http://www.gay.eu/article/10173/all/Homophobic_Aruba_Ministers

Found this article, at http://tinyurl.com/5klux4

snipped:

Aruba - Lawsuit statements about 'homosexual'

21-05-2007 De vergelijking van het ‘homohuwelijk’ met een relatie tussen mens en dier, met pedofiele relaties en de uitlating dat het huwelijk van paren van gelijk geslacht een onchristelijke en verwerpelijke vorm van decadentie is die moet worden geweerd met alle beschikbare middelen, zijn niet alleen cru, maar ook grievend en kwetsend. 21-05-2007 The equation of 'homosexual' with a relationship between man and animal, with paedophile relationships and the statement that the marriage of same-sex couples a onchristelijke and reprehensible form of decadence is to be refused access to all available resources Are not only cru, but also grievend and offensive. Maar advocaat-generaal Nico Jörg van Aruba ziet er echter geen aanleiding tot vervolging in. But Advocate General Nico Jörg of Aruba, however, sees no grounds to prosecute.

Dat schrijft de Arubaanse advocaat-generaal in een schriftelijk verweer in de zaak die vandaag diende voor het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba. That requires the Aruban attorney-general in a written defence in the case which today moved to the Common Court of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba.

De zaak is aangespannen omdat een beslissing tot vervolging door het Openbaar Ministerie is uitgebleven. The case was brought because a decision to prosecute by the Public Ministry is received. Het gaat om de aangifte die op 22 augustus 2005 werd gedaan door de Homo Lesbische Federatie Nederland (HLBF.NL). It is the declaration on August 22, 2005 was done by the Gay Lesbian Federation Netherlands (HLBF.NL). De voorzitter van deze federatie, André van Wanrooij, deed toen aangifte tegen minister Rudy Croes (MEP) van Justitie, tegen landsadvocaat Hendrik Croes en tegen landsvertegenwoordiger Paul Langerak wegens openbare belediging, discriminatie en het aanzetten tot haat, discriminatie en/of geweld. The chairman of the federation, Andre van Wanrooij, did when declaration against Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) of Justice, against landsadvocaat Hendrik Croes and against landsvertegenwoordiger Paul Langerak because public insults, discrimination and incitement to hatred, discrimination and / or violence.

De aangifte vond zijn aanleiding in uitspraken naar aanleiding van de rechtsgang van het lesbische echtpaar Esther en Charlene Oduber-Lamers tegen het Land Aruba. The declaration took his statements in response to wind up the process of the lesbian couple Charlene and Esther Oduber-Lamers at the Country Aruba.

article continues and can be viewed in google translation


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 01:09:11 PM
Now how does this go with Satish and this lawyer?  Caps, you need to come back and explain this to us. I want to know why we need to compare a photo?  Do they look alike?  Are they related?  If I could make this monkey stomp his feet I would... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 28, 2008, 01:16:04 PM
Here is the link to Michael Anthony's MySpace.  It's Michael Anthony Dompig.

profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi
=150098728

This is what I got
This user has either cancelled their membership, or their account has been deleted.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
Hi Mum,

I just raided Michael Anthony's album.  I don't recognize most of these people.  I wonder if the girl is his wife, because he claims to be married.  There is also someone in the hospital with a broken arm.  I'm just going to post what I captured.  Gotta go back to work.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 01:33:16 PM
Here is the link to Michael Anthony's MySpace.  It's Michael Anthony Dompig.

profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi
=150098728

This is what I got
This user has either cancelled their membership, or their account has been deleted.




Thanks Blonde and SS...too many hits I guess....That guy with the broken arm is a big guy!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 01:34:28 PM
Here is the link to Michael Anthony's MySpace.  It's Michael Anthony Dompig.

profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendi
=150098728

This is what I got
This user has either cancelled their membership, or their account has been deleted.






I don't know what to tell you, Blonde.  Maybe you just need that sneaky touch. ::MonkeyHaHa::  I have a stupid MySpace account with nothing on it because I'm a high school guidance counselor/psychologist and it's a way for me to keep track of certain things. Try searching through the MySpace search instead of using the thread link.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 01:36:17 PM
Didn't Melody say the her fiance had broken his arm in a paint ball accident?  This guy is no small dude.  I wonder if he's Melody's husband.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 28, 2008, 02:27:27 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I have been tinking ABOUT SOME OF THE words used in the riddles

well one of them is "Chew Up Tongue", in piapiamentu means "Kauw Lenga"

So If chewup tong is a lawyer then he could be in the papers, Searching for this bring me to The lawyer in question.

Booshi Wever use him to defend him in a case and it was Remigio Wever that question this young boy expertise as a lawyer.

Now I have seen this picture but I can not find it no where.

Other thing. DH was on tv last night but he is always hiding his face.

soon he see that the cameras are aprocing he will turn his face, only back of the had is shown.







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 28, 2008, 03:26:21 PM
Didn't Melody say the her fiance had broken his arm in a paint ball accident?  This guy is no small dude.  I wonder if he's Melody's husband.


SS I stumbled across this yesterday looking for paintball???  Please have a look, as you have a better eye than I do and that guy is big!

http://www.arubaweightlifting.com/Aawa_english/Home/Home.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 28, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
Luis Mansur

(http://i32.tinypic.com/2mq9qpl.jpg)
http://www.zorpia.com/luism25

Prior to Tickle Networking closing down, Luis Mansur had pictures of himself shooting at a paintball field in Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 04:34:10 PM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/MichaelDompigemy2.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/MichaelDompigemy.jpg)

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/MichaelDompig-2.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on April 28, 2008, 04:36:33 PM
O/T

I notice that Deepak changed his Dubai name..... ::MonkeyRoll::

Kawish
Please start eating....you are getting way too skinny.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 04:48:26 PM
Hi Monkeys,

I have been tinking ABOUT SOME OF THE words used in the riddles

well one of them is "Chew Up Tongue", in piapiamentu means "Kauw Lenga"

So If chewup tong is a lawyer then he could be in the papers, Searching for this bring me to The lawyer in question.

Booshi Wever use him to defend him in a case and it was Remigio Wever that question this young boy expertise as a lawyer.

Now I have seen this picture but I can not find it no where.

Other thing. DH was on tv last night but he is always hiding his face.

soon he see that the cameras are aprocing he will turn his face, only back of the had is shown.








Who is DH?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 28, 2008, 04:49:32 PM
A paintball team in Aruba:
MySpace Link (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=206671323)

Neil Jansen is on the team. Anyone remember him? Geez, that was a long time ago...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 04:49:51 PM
Didn't Melody say the her fiance had broken his arm in a paint ball accident?  This guy is no small dude.  I wonder if he's Melody's husband.


SS I stumbled across this yesterday looking for paintball???  Please have a look, as you have a better eye than I do and that guy is big!

http://www.arubaweightlifting.com/Aawa_english/Home/Home.html





I can't really tell, but I think that weightlifter looks a little bit Asian.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 05:04:28 PM
Here's the Aruba Paintball Team.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=206671323

Who form Unpredictable Asassins: The members of the Unpredictable Asassins Aruba Paintball Team are the following: Arend van Uren (Mini), Patrick Maduro (Paddy), Robert Ras (Robonoid), Sergej Croes (Search), Savier Sarman (Safie), Rymard Boekhout (Pastor), Franklin Maduro (Monster), Neil Jansen (Ice), Darren Simon (Blimpy), Rodney Kock (Mensen), Aaron Kock, Mark Henriquez (Markinator), Gavin Henriquez (Young-G), Jean-Carlo (The Wall) - Curacao, Christopher Schouten (Flipmode), Wilbert de Cuba (Wibi), Jurick de Cuba, Germain Jansen (Hindu), Edson van der Linde (Killa), Ryan van der Linde (Jugu),


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 05:36:52 PM
There are several paintball teams on Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 06:24:15 PM
Didn't CAPS tell us that Giovanni Solognier was the actual killer?  Have we found any information on this person?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 28, 2008, 06:30:45 PM
Sorry for not having read back, but I thought I wold throw this out here because I always found it unusual for Jossy Mansur to be involved in Paintball games but he is. Towards the bottom it mentions his name......

http://tinyurl.com/5lakwo


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 07:21:21 PM
It looks like Deep@k from California has a girlfriend.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 28, 2008, 07:55:48 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba/2445suw.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 28, 2008, 07:57:30 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba/2445suw.jpg)

Thank you Blonde!  I remembered the picture but didn't have it saved!!   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 28, 2008, 08:01:46 PM
Anytime Pita I'm looking for all the info I looked up on him now. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 08:13:13 PM
For some reason, Valentjin from Aruba spells his name Valentijn.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 08:22:20 PM
Does anyone recognize the girl with Deep@k from California?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 08:33:36 PM
Didn't CAPS tell us that Giovanni Solognier was the actual killer?  Have we found any information on this person?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Now which week was this?  If he is the killer I am still waiting to see how that fits into what few facts we have about that night...still I am waiting...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2008, 08:58:08 PM
For some reason, Valentjin from Aruba spells his name Valentijn.   ::MonkeyWink::

Valentijn is the correct spelling


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 09:10:57 PM
Didn't CAPS tell us that Giovanni Solognier was the actual killer?  Have we found any information on this person?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Now which week was this?  If he is the killer I am still waiting to see how that fits into what few facts we have about that night...still I am waiting...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting.



And who is DH????    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 28, 2008, 09:15:49 PM
Didn't CAPS tell us that Giovanni Solognier was the actual killer?  Have we found any information on this person?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Now which week was this?  If he is the killer I am still waiting to see how that fits into what few facts we have about that night...still I am waiting...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting.



And who is DH????    ::MonkeyHaHa::




Maybe DH = Dirty Hand?   ::MonkeyConfused::

CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes.  He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ.  He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.


Klaas - Thanks for the correct spelling on Valentijn.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
Didn't CAPS tell us that Giovanni Solognier was the actual killer?  Have we found any information on this person?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Now which week was this?  If he is the killer I am still waiting to see how that fits into what few facts we have about that night...still I am waiting...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting.



And who is DH????    ::MonkeyHaHa::




Maybe DH = Dirty Hand?   ::MonkeyConfused::

CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes.  He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ.  He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.


Klaas - Thanks for the correct spelling on Valentijn.


Oh no I am sure Caps said it was the guy whose name I can't spell correctly or was that the 5th suspect?  Maybe Shango told Babalu that DH was van der Straten...no wait I thought it was Lornezo. No, that's not right either...it is Ben Vocking...does anyone understand what I am saying?  Probably not...but oh well. 

Now, who is DH?  Who is the 5th?  Still waiting....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on April 28, 2008, 10:33:30 PM
Does anyone recognize the girl with Deep@k from California?




Could that be his sister?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 10:54:28 PM
Does anyone recognize the girl with Deep@k from California?




Could that be his sister?

I think they have decided it is most likely Satish's sister over in the NAH thread which as I have been informed should be called the NCD thread instead. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 28, 2008, 11:13:13 PM
Did Caps ever say why he wanted to compare Satish's photo with that lawyer?  Did I miss it? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on April 28, 2008, 11:14:13 PM
Does anyone recognize the girl with Deep@k from California?




Could that be his sister?

I think they have decided it is most likely Satish's sister over in the NAH thread which as I have been informed should be called the NCD thread instead. 

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 28, 2008, 11:42:26 PM
Speaking of Satish..I noticed he sure put up a fight on the DNA tests and the FBI
============
Name/Title: DNA sample Satish Kalpoe
Date: July 13 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/ Initiator: Mr KPJ Jansen
File #: p-2005/03533
 Name/Title: Ruling of Complaint for taking swab samples
Date: 13 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Aruban Court
 Name//Title: DNA Sample
Date:'! 8 July 2005
==============
Name/Title: Appeal by Satish Kalpoe regarding handover of criminal file to FBI
Date: 10 August 2005
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm

Name/Title: Order to destroy DNA Samples taken from suspects
Date: 2 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Judge Smid's Office
Name/Title: Complaint By Satish Kalpoe to Aruban Court for handover of criminal file
documents to FBI for "Second Opinion"

Date: 3 August 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm
Responsive to Request 32
 Name/Title: Appeal of Satish Kalpoe relating to handover of criminal File
Documents to FBI


Writer/Initiator. Aruban Court/Judge Smid
 Name/Title: DNA samples
Date: 5 September 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm
Attachments: Statement of Katherine Madison Whatley (07119/2005)
 Name/Title: Notice of Court Hearing (Appeal by Satish Kalpoe demanding Immediate
release) (Complaint attached)
Date: 6 September 2005
Pages: 5
File #: 1039/05
Location: Willemstad
Writer/Initiator: Appeals Court of NA and Aruba (}lof)
 Name/Title; Appeal regarding order to give Blood/DNA samples
Date: 8 September 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfixm
 Name/Title: Notice for DNA order hearing
Date: 9 September 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Mr. K.P.J Jansen
+ Name/Title: Ruling regarding release of suspects
Date: 14 September 2005
Pages: 3
File #: h-244/2005
Writer/lnitiator: Appeals Court of NA and Aruba
 Name/Title: Press release about release of suspect
Date: 14 September 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ministerio Publico
 Name/Title: DNA investigation
Date: 10 October 2005
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator. T.D. Croes Fernandes Pedra
 Name/Title: Withdrawal of Satish Kalpoe's complaint about return of belongings
Date: 19 October 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm
Responsive to Request 32
74



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 29, 2008, 12:17:46 AM
It is Andjeni, IMO.

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Deepak-1.jpg)
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/AndjeniKalpoecropped.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 29, 2008, 02:08:32 AM
CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes.  He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ.  He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.

say what?

since when?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

note: SGC not CSG or C,SG
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the public prosecutor’s office, said Aruban authorities were not prepared to disclose why the person was arrested or how they are allegedly connected to the disappearance of the American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island nearly a year ago.

Croes would only say that the person who was arrested is 19 and has the initials “G.V.C.” Authorities in Aruba typically only release a suspect’s initials upon their arrest.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191903,00.html

note: GVC not VCG or VC,G
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.", said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.
(no link/sorry)

note: FA not AF or A,F
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

finn's free/possibly worthless advice to the codetalkers:
DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on April 29, 2008, 02:11:01 AM

this is interesting:

Friday, August 26, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Two Surinamese brothers who had been detained and released in the Natalee Holloway case were arrested again Friday after "new facts and circumstances" emerged, adding yet another twist in the mysterious disappearance of a vacationing American teenager.

Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified "other people," in premeditated murder and rape, Aruba's prosecutor's office said in a statement.

To arrest them again, "there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case," the statement said. Authorities declined to disclose any other details of the new evidence.

The prosecutor's office also said the brothers were suspected of other offenses, but they did not provide details. No information was disclosed about a third man who authorities said was arrested Friday with the Kalpoes.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html

which other suspects were "protected" like this?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 06:03:59 AM
SS...Luis at HI?

After this I told the girl that it was OK and that I would do my best to go to "Carlos & Charlies". After that the group of girls walked to the Sportsbar. In the Sportsbar I also saw to two acquaintances who were watching baseball. I greeted my two acquaintances, and told them that I was doing fine too, and that I would be going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I regularly meet them at Carlos & Charlies. The last name of Luis is "BETANCOURT". I do not know the last name of Joshua. Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan, and according to me Joshua is Colombian but I don't know that for sure.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm



Thanks for all the pics, everyone. Anyone happen to run across Freddy, Jaime or Luis Rodriguez in their myspace/Zorpia travels?

Luis….going with the theory that there is a little truth to every lie, this could be Luis Rodriguez – ISA – interviewed 3 times by ALE….

OR….

The Columbian and Venezuelan acquaintances he meets regularly at C&Cs and sees regularly hanging out at the HI could possibly be Freddy and Jaime…

I would really like to know which acquaintance Joran bought a drink for that night at C&Cs?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 06:08:35 AM
Anyone can look at a MySpace account if it isn't set to private.  Michael Dompig, Chemaly, Steve Croes, Max Arends, and Ernesto don't have their pages set to private.  To get beyond the first page, you have to be a registered MySpace user.  There is a section where the friends are listed and by clicking on "see all", you can view pages and pictures of friends they communicate with.  If you click "view pics", under the person's photograph and introduction, it will take you to pages of photographs that they have posted.


Now this is one I really want to see...Ernesto!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 06:21:41 AM
Sorry for not having read back, but I thought I wold throw this out here because I always found it unusual for Jossy Mansur to be involved in Paintball games but he is. Towards the bottom it mentions his name......

http://tinyurl.com/5lakwo



From BB’s link…

The X-Ball game format was the brainchild of Procaps (manufacturer of DraXxus and Diablo paints) president Richmond Italia.

Thanks BB…I was a little surprised about Jossy as well…

More coincidence….Drax scores and the guys name (Fisi) Italia….and I do know that Drax was a poster ::MonkeyWink::

Anyone remember posts about Joran shooting his dogs with a paintball gun? Is it possible we have a paintball connection…if they find the girl they will see all that shit…just a thought…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 06:25:59 AM
CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes.  He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ.  He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.

say what?

since when?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

note: SGC not CSG or C,SG
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the public prosecutor’s office, said Aruban authorities were not prepared to disclose why the person was arrested or how they are allegedly connected to the disappearance of the American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island nearly a year ago.

Croes would only say that the person who was arrested is 19 and has the initials “G.V.C.” Authorities in Aruba typically only release a suspect’s initials upon their arrest.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191903,00.html

note: GVC not VCG or VC,G
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.", said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.
(no link/sorry)

note: FA not AF or A,F
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

finn's free/possibly worthless advice to the codetalkers:
DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID


NOT DRINKING THE KOOLAID!   NOT DRINKING THE KOOLAID!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 06:42:27 AM
Speaking of Satish..I noticed he sure put up a fight on the DNA tests and the FBI
============
Name/Title: DNA sample Satish Kalpoe
Date: July 13 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/ Initiator: Mr KPJ Jansen
File #: p-2005/03533
 Name/Title: Ruling of Complaint for taking swab samples
Date: 13 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Aruban Court
 Name//Title: DNA Sample
Date:'! 8 July 2005
==============
Name/Title: Appeal by Satish Kalpoe regarding handover of criminal file to FBI
Date: 10 August 2005
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm

Name/Title: Order to destroy DNA Samples taken from suspects
Date: 2 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Judge Smid's Office
Name/Title: Complaint By Satish Kalpoe to Aruban Court for handover of criminal file
documents to FBI for "Second Opinion"

Date: 3 August 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm
Responsive to Request 32
 Name/Title: Appeal of Satish Kalpoe relating to handover of criminal File
Documents to FBI


Writer/Initiator. Aruban Court/Judge Smid
 Name/Title: DNA samples
Date: 5 September 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm
Attachments: Statement of Katherine Madison Whatley (07119/2005)
 Name/Title: Notice of Court Hearing (Appeal by Satish Kalpoe demanding Immediate
release) (Complaint attached)
Date: 6 September 2005
Pages: 5
File #: 1039/05
Location: Willemstad
Writer/Initiator: Appeals Court of NA and Aruba (}lof)
 Name/Title; Appeal regarding order to give Blood/DNA samples
Date: 8 September 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfixm
 Name/Title: Notice for DNA order hearing
Date: 9 September 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Mr. K.P.J Jansen
+ Name/Title: Ruling regarding release of suspects
Date: 14 September 2005
Pages: 3
File #: h-244/2005
Writer/lnitiator: Appeals Court of NA and Aruba
 Name/Title: Press release about release of suspect
Date: 14 September 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Ministerio Publico
 Name/Title: DNA investigation
Date: 10 October 2005
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator. T.D. Croes Fernandes Pedra
 Name/Title: Withdrawal of Satish Kalpoe's complaint about return of belongings
Date: 19 October 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: David Kock & Wix Lawfirm
Responsive to Request 32
74




Hi *******…this is what I have gleaned from this part of the documents and the information we have….

Ooman was holding back documents from Deepak’s case file. Therefore all the items for Deepak are not listed.

Not sure where this stands now the case against the Kalpoes is over, Ooman should have been paid and and the complete file released?

Joran’s DNA….something about a certain person cleaning out his desk, while a certain Prosecutor was in The Netherlands, and then a ruling by a certain Judge that the certain Prosecutor would have to resubmit the paperwork, which it appears that certain Prosecutor didn’t do!

Another thought…Satish fought the DNA because he knew his DNA wasn’t to be found, and DNA results could have led to XTC DNA and the 5th.!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 06:51:25 AM

this is interesting:

Friday, August 26, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Two Surinamese brothers who had been detained and released in the Natalee Holloway case were arrested again Friday after "new facts and circumstances" emerged, adding yet another twist in the mysterious disappearance of a vacationing American teenager.

Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified "other people," in premeditated murder and rape, Aruba's prosecutor's office said in a statement.

To arrest them again, "there had to be new facts and circumstances. That is the case," the statement said. Authorities declined to disclose any other details of the new evidence.

The prosecutor's office also said the brothers were suspected of other offenses, but they did not provide details. No information was disclosed about a third man who authorities said was arrested Friday with the Kalpoes.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html

which other suspects were "protected" like this?





Finngirl…posts around this time say that Jaime had been arrested and others say he was to be arrested the next day! Seems it didn’t happen!

These are my big questions with Freddy’s arrest…where are the statements from August….there is nothing listed in the Dr. Phil docs??? Plenty before and one afterwards!

And why was he released discreetly out the back door while the Kalpoes were paraded in front of the media?

The famous pic had been all over MSM, I think, by his release, so why ‘hide’ Freddy?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on April 29, 2008, 09:29:57 AM
Sorry for not having read back, but I thought I wold throw this out here because I always found it unusual for Jossy Mansur to be involved in Paintball games but he is. Towards the bottom it mentions his name......

http://tinyurl.com/5lakwo



From BB’s link…

The X-Ball game format was the brainchild of Procaps (manufacturer of DraXxus and Diablo paints) president Richmond Italia.

Thanks BB…I was a little surprised about Jossy as well…

More coincidence….Drax scores and the guys name (Fisi) Italia….and I do know that Drax was a poster ::MonkeyWink::

Anyone remember posts about Joran shooting his dogs with a paintball gun? Is it possible we have a paintball connection…if they find the girl they will see all that shit…just a thought…


OMG ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 29, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Don't really like kool aid, well unless it's cherry or grape and then it must be with an oatmeal cookie (that is how they served it to us in bible school in the summer when I was a kid).


BTW Freddy was never really hidden. He was always in that photo he was not on the news media's radar at the time and if you remember there were several faces blocked out of the early photos on the news when it first happened. We knew who it was all along, the news media is the group that kept him out of the photo for a time.  Freddy was no secret on the internet...monkeys were looking at him early in this case.  Same as Lorenzo...he was never on any media radar..but he was certainly on our.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 09:37:34 AM
Sorry for not having read back, but I thought I wold throw this out here because I always found it unusual for Jossy Mansur to be involved in Paintball games but he is. Towards the bottom it mentions his name......

http://tinyurl.com/5lakwo



From BB’s link…

The X-Ball game format was the brainchild of Procaps (manufacturer of DraXxus and Diablo paints) president Richmond Italia.

Thanks BB…I was a little surprised about Jossy as well…

More coincidence….Drax scores and the guys name (Fisi) Italia….and I do know that Drax was a poster ::MonkeyWink::

Anyone remember posts about Joran shooting his dogs with a paintball gun? Is it possible we have a paintball connection…if they find the girl they will see all that shit…just a thought…


OMG ::MonkeyShocked::


Sorry Silverfox...I am not usually that blunt...I apologized everyone.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 09:46:26 AM
Edit…
Sorry Silverfox...I am not usually that blunt...I apologize everyone.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 29, 2008, 09:50:33 AM
Sorry for not having read back, but I thought I wold throw this out here because I always found it unusual for Jossy Mansur to be involved in Paintball games but he is. Towards the bottom it mentions his name......

http://tinyurl.com/5lakwo



From BB’s link…

The X-Ball game format was the brainchild of Procaps (manufacturer of DraXxus and Diablo paints) president Richmond Italia.

Thanks BB…I was a little surprised about Jossy as well…

More coincidence….Drax scores and the guys name (Fisi) Italia….and I do know that Drax was a poster ::MonkeyWink::

Anyone remember posts about Joran shooting his dogs with a paintball gun? Is it possible we have a paintball connection…if they find the girl they will see all that shit…just a thought…


OMG ::MonkeyShocked::


Sorry Silverfox...I am not usually that blunt...I apologized everyone.

I was just thinking about your post...given the limited timeline we need to see what fits the timeline and what doesn't.  There are only a few hours to work with here.  I am not discounting your theory at all, but I don't know if there is enough time to make this fit.  We know when they left CnC.  We have phone calls that place them in particular places at certain times and then witnesses that can do that as well in various places all over the island.  Then we have the one thing that cements a timeline in place and that being Paulus' denial for compensation based on his being seen at 4 AM in the morning near the McDonalds. In actuality we only have a window of around 3 to 4 hours to work with before Paulus is seen picking up Joran.  Just thinking here...not meaning to put a damper on your ideas.  Sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 29, 2008, 10:07:45 AM
Mum
No apologies necessary.  There have been theories concerning baseball bats and guns.  Your idea is not as bad as some I have seen. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 10:25:01 AM
Thanks Lala's...note to self...preview ALL posts!

Quote Lala’s…

I was just thinking about your post...given the limited timeline we need to see what fits the timeline and what doesn't.  There are only a few hours to work with here.  I am not discounting your theory at all, but I don't know if there is enough time to make this fit.  We know when they left CnC.  We have phone calls that place them in particular places at certain times and then witnesses that can do that as well in various places all over the island.  Then we have the one thing that cements a timeline in place and that being Paulus' denial for compensation based on his being seen at 4 AM in the morning near the McDonalds. In actuality we only have a window of around 3 to 4 hours to work with before Paulus is seen picking up Joran.  Just thinking here...not meaning to put a damper on your ideas.  Sorry.



I am still leaning to the Racquet Club area, but do believe they were at the van der Sloot’s house. Possibly after they were seen by the gardener.

Just came across a great pic that Grande posted of the Racquet Club area and the houses. I wonder if Kermit dug anymore up on the abandoned Atlantis Apartments near there? There is nothing at the Registry on them, and they even have a Merian connection…the obligation to the Dutch Marines…and I found the Marines did exercises there in 1999.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 03:52:56 PM
Lala's...maybe was this what you were talking about the 'orange regal visage'...found it buried in all the stuff I've saved...

From the Governor's site...

ORANJESTAD - Young people constitute the basis of our future community. Therefore, it is very good if you work unselfishly on their welfare, and you see the positive result. These were the words of the Governor, His Excellency Mr. Fredis Refunjol, during the so-called “rain of titles” on the occasion of Queen’s Day 2007. This year, four gentlemen and for ladies could consider themselves fortunate with a Royal Decoration. Relatives and friends accompanied the decorated persons during the solemn ceremony, which, as usual, took place in the town hall. Three persons were appointed “Companian” in the Order of Orange Nassau and five “Member” in the Order of Orange Nassau. Mostly, the decorated persons were decorated because of their social or charitable merits in the fields of sports, culture, religion, welfare and education.

http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=nieuws


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 29, 2008, 05:23:35 PM
Lets see we can make our own timeline
Joran leaves his shoes behind because he does not want to deal with Natalee any more (OTR)

Joran tells Satish what happened on the beach and Satish repeats "f*** that bitch". Joran tells Satish that he will go to school in the morning and then look for his shoes after he goes to the Raquet Club. When they arrive at Joran's home Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up Joran's shoes. Joran tells Satish where he left them, and Satish drives off (DZNH).

3:00-4:00 am: Lee goes to sleep (Broughton 302)

3:07 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer (CRD)

3:10 am: Same young woman resembling Natalee seen on tape at 2:38, is seen at HI front desk with girl resembling Natalee's classmate Frances Ellen Byrd (Renfro e-mail).

3:11 am: Joran text messages something sweet to Florencia (DZNH)

3:13 am: Joran sends Deepak a text message saying: "Hey Swa, thanks, I am home now, I will see you tomorrow" (J 6/14, DZNH)

Joran goes into his kitchen to get something to eat and to drink (OTR)

When Deepak returns from bathroom he sees that Joran had messaged him that he was home and would see him tomorrow. Deepak replies "OK" (D 6/11, J 6/14)

3:22 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran.Valentijn Message says: Are you there? (CRD)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to JoranValentijn. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed (CRD)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to JoranValentijn. Message says: Take care (CRD)

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer Message says: Hey swa (CRD)
3:35 am: Joran Valentijn sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Topa pimp heehehe (CRD)

3:35 am: Joran Valentijn visits hotmail (CRD)

3:36 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)

3:40-3:45 am: Joran Valentijn visits four soccer-related sites (CRD)

3:46 am: Joran Valentijn visits porn site (CRD)

3:56 pm: Joran Valentijn visits porn site (CRD)

Then we have the one thing that cements a timeline in place and that being Paulus' denial for compensation based on his being seen at 4 AM in the morning near the McDonalds. In actuality we only have a window of around 3 to 4 hours to work with before Paulus is seen picking up Joran.

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail (CRD)

5:45 am: Paul van der Sloot awakens, when his alarm goes off at the usual time (P 6/23)
 This would work if Valentijn was on  covering Joran ass. this is the most simple way IMO

Remember  Joran said Valentijn was the one he trusted the most,


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 29, 2008, 05:33:30 PM
CAPS said that the initials SGCJ with the arrest are not for Steve Gregory Croes.  He said the initials are written last name first so it would be S,GCJ.  He said the name is Giovanni Solognier and I have been searching everywhere for a Giovanni Solognier.

say what?

since when?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Authorities probing the disappearance of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway arrested the DJ of a popular party boat Friday morning and searched his home.

A prosecutor's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, in keeping with Aruban law, identified him only by his initials, S.G.C. She said he was born July 21, 1978.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/17/missing.teen/index.html

note: SGC not CSG or C,SG
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the public prosecutor’s office, said Aruban authorities were not prepared to disclose why the person was arrested or how they are allegedly connected to the disappearance of the American teenager on the Dutch Caribbean island nearly a year ago.

Croes would only say that the person who was arrested is 19 and has the initials “G.V.C.” Authorities in Aruba typically only release a suspect’s initials upon their arrest.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191903,00.html

note: GVC not VCG or VC,G
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, the two Surinamese brothers previously detained in the Natalee Holloway case, have been re-arrested on suspicion of premeditated rape and murder, Aruban government officials said Friday. A third person was also detained.

Prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes told FOX News that the third person was a man known as "Freddy" or "F.A.", said to be a friend of Joran van der Sloot, who has been held in the case since June 9.
(no link/sorry)

note: FA not AF or A,F
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

finn's free/possibly worthless advice to the codetalkers:
DO NOT DRINK THE KOOLAID








    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #705 on: April 23, 2008, 10:59:29 AM »    Quote
 Quote from: texasmom on April 23, 2008, 01:24:42 AMCorrection, that should have been S. G. C. J.; that's how I believe it was.  Now if those are the correct Initialsthen this must be the correct name to go with themSolognier   Giovanni CJ   7/13/1967   Aruba   De Vuyst 63A


    Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 « Reply #724 on: April 23, 2008, 03:29:20 PM »    Quote
 
I think he played both sides, But the primate is not him. The killer is one in the the telephone List.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 06:17:49 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 29, 2008, 06:22:53 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 29, 2008, 06:38:10 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 06:54:15 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


Hey VMS,

Nice to see ya.

Dunno what's up, but macho,  gonna get all that money from the law suit Deepak...is Scared...things that make ya go hummmmmm.

MOO

OS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 29, 2008, 06:58:52 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.




I agree, and I don't know why CAPS was insisting that the initials had to be reversed.  It seems to me that all of the arrests had the regular sequence with first name, midlle, and last.  I have no idea where or why he came up with these reversed initials for Giovanni Solognier.   ::MonkeyConfused::

CAPS WHERE ARE YOU????  We need an explanation.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on April 29, 2008, 07:16:39 PM
Did find a comment posted in 2006 in Solo di Pueblo , something about a couple and a baby, the excerpt does seem to mention the names by initials, and they do appear in reverse.

++++++

06/??/2006 - Couple detained for something about a baby. What does “doodslag” mean? Couple’s initials: FCEF and FAPD. “Circumstancio poco strano.” Could this be the “Baby D” case? Ferdinand Alexander Dijkhoff? (See 12/16/2006)
From Solo di Pueblo 2006 “Year in Review” issue, A section, Starting on Page 16:
http://tinyurl.com/y4uhlb

http://tinyurl.com/4ld54y


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 29, 2008, 07:19:11 PM
I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 07:27:09 PM
I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 07:29:13 PM

And he wrote this:

D€€P@K says that was a close call.....


MOO

OS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 29, 2008, 07:32:09 PM
I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I thought the same thing, except I thought "urinated" you know he had that tiny bladder problem at one time, figured he was having trouble holding it in court ::MonkeyRoll::  I also thought he is probably lurking here  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 07:41:49 PM
I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I thought the same thing, except I thought "urinated" you know he had that tiny bladder problem at one time, figured he was having trouble holding it in court ::MonkeyRoll::  I also thought he is probably lurking here  ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL, could be bladder..

I wish he was in court..would love for him to answer some tough questions..

OS


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on April 29, 2008, 07:51:02 PM
I just checked Deepak's and now it says "relieved" and has a smiley face.  hmmmm

Wow, that was quick, must have gone to the potty..LOL..

I always did think he was a turd caught cross wise.

Ok, Ok, I am being mean..

Maybe he was scared he was going to have to give a depo in the Dr. Phil case...

hummmm, must be reading here to change the mood so quick...

MOO

OS

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I thought the same thing, except I thought "urinated" you know he had that tiny bladder problem at one time, figured he was having trouble holding it in court ::MonkeyRoll::  I also thought he is probably lurking here  ::MonkeyHaHa::

LOL, could be bladder..

I wish he was in court..would love for him to answer some tough questions..

OS

I agree!  Enough of the BS already!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 29, 2008, 08:08:05 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on April 29, 2008, 08:08:42 PM
Mart Bakz

http://cid-421a34919e5196d0.spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-US&partner=Live.Spaces




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 29, 2008, 08:23:08 PM
Not sure if this is where the initials came from or not, maybe Texasmom can help…

If it is, the PVs were never intended to see the light of day…

« Reply #674 on: April 23, 2008, 03:29:58 AM »

PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, explains the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes explained:
++++

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.640

Start here in context…LOL
« Reply #658 on: April 23, 2008, 12:50:27 AM »Caps   
 
Quote from: jackb on April 23, 2008, 12:01:45 AM
Quote from: ******* on April 22, 2008, 11:55:50 PM
One thing for sure when SGC was arrested they said he was the son of a prominent Aruban businessman..Where they talking about LVR or him? I am still confused if his father was a musician or if that was all false?

From what I understand his father and Palus are both musicians.  They have played together in some home grown band.  This has been out for well over two years.  Jackb


Anyone has the real Initials that Merian the spoke person for the OM when she said that SCGJ was arrested. I tought I saw a "J" in the name.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 29, 2008, 08:29:57 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   ::MonkeyHaHa::


that might do......what was the year of the arrest?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 29, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   ::MonkeyHaHa::


that might do......what was the year of the arrest?

September, 2007


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on April 29, 2008, 08:42:09 PM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.


What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?

COLOMBO,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.


OS and tx,   ::MonkeyHaHa::


that might do......what was the year of the arrest?

September, 2007


Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:43 am
The Simian has a handicap of 12.

wonder whether he turned 61 after June 28 2005?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 29, 2008, 10:37:55 PM
No I think Simian is about 36 right now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 29, 2008, 11:28:15 PM
Maybe he knows Anita...


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Armin2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 05:54:45 AM
Lets see we can make our own timeline
Joran leaves his shoes behind because he does not want to deal with Natalee any more (OTR)

Joran tells Satish what happened on the beach and Satish repeats "f*** that bitch". Joran tells Satish that he will go to school in the morning and then look for his shoes after he goes to the Raquet Club. When they arrive at Joran's home Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up Joran's shoes. Joran tells Satish where he left them, and Satish drives off (DZNH).

3:00-4:00 am: Lee goes to sleep (Broughton 302)

3:07 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer (CRD)

3:10 am: Same young woman resembling Natalee seen on tape at 2:38, is seen at HI front desk with girl resembling Natalee's classmate Frances Ellen Byrd (Renfro e-mail).

3:11 am: Joran text messages something sweet to Florencia (DZNH)

3:13 am: Joran sends Deepak a text message saying: "Hey Swa, thanks, I am home now, I will see you tomorrow" (J 6/14, DZNH)

Joran goes into his kitchen to get something to eat and to drink (OTR)

When Deepak returns from bathroom he sees that Joran had messaged him that he was home and would see him tomorrow. Deepak replies "OK" (D 6/11, J 6/14)

3:22 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran.Valentijn Message says: Are you there? (CRD)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to JoranValentijn. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed (CRD)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to JoranValentijn. Message says: Take care (CRD)

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer Message says: Hey swa (CRD)
3:35 am: Joran Valentijn sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Topa pimp heehehe (CRD)

3:35 am: Joran Valentijn visits hotmail (CRD)

3:36 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)

3:40-3:45 am: Joran Valentijn visits four soccer-related sites (CRD)

3:46 am: Joran Valentijn visits porn site (CRD)

3:56 pm: Joran Valentijn visits porn site (CRD)

Then we have the one thing that cements a timeline in place and that being Paulus' denial for compensation based on his being seen at 4 AM in the morning near the McDonalds. In actuality we only have a window of around 3 to 4 hours to work with before Paulus is seen picking up Joran.

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail (CRD)

5:45 am: Paul van der Sloot awakens, when his alarm goes off at the usual time (P 6/23)
 This would work if Valentijn was on  covering Joran ass. this is the most simple way IMO

Remember  Joran said Valentijn was the one he trusted the most,


Great work Blonde….Is this the comment from Joran that you are referring to, or is there another?

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm


And I used my brother's mobile phone without asking for permission, and after that I broke the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is 15 years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.

Do we have enough proof to add the 1.40AM stop at the van der Sloot’s house in there?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:03:38 AM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS

Hi OS. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?



SS,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.



I was looking for Luis Mansur last night when this was posted and I found four???

I found  Jossy’s brother, his cousin – Eric’s brother, his son and young Luis, the one that Pita posted the pic of a few pages back!

One graduated from Castleheights, where I believe Jug went in 1984. I was presuming this was Jossy’s son.

Can anyone help set me straight on this, please?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:06:30 AM
Hi Everyone,

Deepak is scared 

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359

his sister is disappointed

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184

Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....

MOO

OS


Hi OS...Nice to see you here....Big people lie!...LOL....Did see Aruba here a little while after this was posted, but they were on page 55....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:19:59 AM
Found this from when Freddy was arrested, but couldn’t find anything other than S.G.C. or Steve’s name from his arrest. Only did a quick check…

Here is the ‘explanation’ from Bondia on Freddy A. regarding the initials….Thanks Finngirl…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0


5:44 pm
bondia: Freddy Z.

Freddy's middle name is Alexander and it is customary to never use somebody’s last name in Aruba until they have been charged.

The rules were obviously broken in Natalee's case as it has been a free for all of accusations since the Beginning

6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.

If the initials were reversed, I guess we would have been looking for A.F. and not Freddy Zedan!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:26:05 AM
Maybe he knows Anita...


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Armin2.jpg)


Nice find vms...motorcycles...didn't Robert Benson work for the Harley dealer?

Wonder if he knows Julia...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 06:35:52 AM
Good morning, Mum.
I found these in my photobucket last night. I didn't know if you had seen them before or not.


MSN Profile:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/FreddysMSNProfile.jpg)

Tickle Profile:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/FreddysTickle.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:52:41 AM
Good morning, Mum.
I found these in my photobucket last night. I didn't know if you had seen them before or not.


MSN Profile:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/FreddysMSNProfile.jpg)

Tickle Profile:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/FreddysTickle.jpg)


Good Morning vms...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until  the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...

Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL

I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:00:30 AM

Good Morning vms...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until  the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...

Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL

I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..

I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.  :lol:
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:10:50 AM

Good Morning vms...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until  the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...

Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL

I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..

I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.  :lol:
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...

I think we have a few more dots...LOL

I tried the Registry to find something on Luis Mansur and it was still down a little while ago. IIRC this has happened before, hasn't it?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:13:59 AM

Good Morning vms...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until  the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...

Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL

I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..

I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.  :lol:
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...

I think we have a few more dots...LOL

I tried the Registry to find something on Luis Mansur and it was still down a little while ago. IIRC this has happened before, hasn't it?

I was going to try to look up Luis for COLUMBO last night and it was down. It has happened several times.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:17:47 AM

Good Morning vms...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until  the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...

Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL

I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..

I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.  :lol:
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...

I think we have a few more dots...LOL

I tried the Registry to find something on Luis Mansur and it was still down a little while ago. IIRC this has happened before, hasn't it?

I was going to try to look up Luis for COLUMBO last night and it was down. It has happened several times.

Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:37:57 AM

Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA

Per Glenda, the Luis (Miguel) listed at the Castle Heights site is Jossy's brother.
Luis Emilio is Jossy's brother.
Per Vanity Fair, Eric is his cousin.

I get them all mixed up, Mum. Someone else could probably be more help...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:39:55 AM

Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA

Per Glenda, the Luis (Miguel) listed at the Castle Heights site is Jossy's brother son.
Luis Emilio is Jossy's brother.
Per Vanity Fair, Eric is his cousin.

I get them all mixed up, Mum. Someone else could probably be more help...


Sorry! Too early, lol.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:45:47 AM

Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA

Per Glenda, the Luis (Miguel) listed at the Castle Heights site is Jossy's brother son.
Luis Emilio is Jossy's brother.
Per Vanity Fair, Eric is his cousin.

I get them all mixed up, Mum. Someone else could probably be more help...


Sorry! Too early, lol.

I will have to find it, but I thought I saw in an article that Luis and Eric were brothers...LOL...may have been something to do with a court case...I went everywhere trying to find that DOB for COLUMBO!

That is why I thought it strange that there was a brother and a cousin with the same name! I wonder who young Luis belongs to?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:54:29 AM
Found this I saved…LOL…I didn’t know I had it last night???? Not surprising…Think I saved it for the address, as it is somewhere near the Gottenbos and I thought one of the Mansurs was in Insurance!

Luis Emilio 5/27/1944 Malmokweg 22

Have Jossy’s DOB from the Hooters Chamber Records

ARUBA on 7 JUNE 1934



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 08:19:42 AM
Can’t link to RU, but this is some of what I found there and at RWV…It appears that there is a L.M.M  and a L.E.M…looks like I am still missing a ‘cousin’.

Still looking for the Eric/Luis are brothers thing...

AC wrote

So, is Eric, Luis's son or Alex's son.....anyone know?


Eric is Ruben's son. (sorry if it was already posted).

Luis M. Mansur
 Oranjestad, ARUBA
Description: Living in Aruba. Maried for 14 years. 4 kids, oldest is a boy 12 and triplets 3years old, one boy two girls. I am currently working as the astnt. director at the islands largest newspaper (DIARIO),also own a construction company.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/just_some_case_.html

Heli and Trix,

Wrong "Luis". You are talking about Luis Miguel (Jossy's son).

I did not have the wrong Luis; I knew the arrestee was not Luis cited
above, but rather a 63 year old man being the brother of Jossy.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 08:56:07 AM
Luis Mansur - these images are from Chicago Outfit photobucket. I also see he has that old priest listed as Ben Vocking, so that's probably where that all started.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/vanderstratenluismansur.jpg)

This image is listed as Luis Mansur, but I don't think this is him.... anyone know? The images says - "Luis tickle profile"
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/Luistickleprofile.jpg)

also from the Chicago Outfit bucket - Luis and Israel Posner
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/luisisrael.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 08:59:46 AM
sorry those images are so large, I can not re-size them from his bucket. I don't have access to the re-size feature.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 09:09:31 AM
sorry those images are so large, I can not re-size them from his bucket. I don't have access to the re-size feature.


Thanks Rob...Good Morning...I just found that photobucket the other day and only looked at a few things, so far. Is Chicago Outfit the same as the poster here at SM Chicago 510, or is that some-one else? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 09:17:54 AM
sorry those images are so large, I can not re-size them from his bucket. I don't have access to the re-size feature.


Thanks Rob...Good Morning...I just found that photobucket the other day and only looked at a few things, so far. Is Chicago Outfit the same as the poster here at SM Chicago 510, or is that some-one else? TIA

Morning Mum, I believe that is the same person, but he never confirmed that to me. Grande is also from that area but they are different people for sure. I asked Chicago_510 once if that was his bucket and he didn't say either way IIRC.. I think that's his bucket for whatever that's worth.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 09:23:20 AM
sorry those images are so large, I can not re-size them from his bucket. I don't have access to the re-size feature.


Thanks Rob...Good Morning...I just found that photobucket the other day and only looked at a few things, so far. Is Chicago Outfit the same as the poster here at SM Chicago 510, or is that some-one else? TIA

Morning Mum, I believe that is the same person, but he never confirmed that to me. Grande is also from that area but they are different people for sure. I asked Chicago_510 once if that was his bucket and he didn't say either way IIRC.. I think that's his bucket for whatever that's worth.


Thanks Rob...Going to have to pay it another visit...Luis...Aline...Melody...Oh My!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 09:28:27 AM
Chicago Outfit is Grande. :)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 09:32:53 AM
Chicago Outfit is Grande. :)


LOL...Thanks again vms   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on April 30, 2008, 09:33:12 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/People%20of%20Intrest/LuisMansurFelonyDadeCOunty.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 09:35:49 AM
Chicago Outfit is Grande. :)

oh ok, thanks vms.. that solves one mystery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 09:36:48 AM
Chicago Outfit is Grande. :)

oh ok, thanks vms.. that solves one mystery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ROFL  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 09:45:05 AM
Ladies, check this. I see the attorney representing Mansur was also an advocate for another attorney that was charged with laundering drug money - this happened in Feb 2008. What is it with the Florida connection and drug and money laundering??? - wait!!! don't answer that - we don't need an explanation. LOL

<snipped>
"I am assuming they have somebody giving information in a certain light that allows the government to charge a lawyer who was just doing his job," Miami criminal defense attorney Roy Kahn said. Others said they believed it improbable that Kuehne would sacrifice his reputation for a $200,000 side job.
<snipped>

from cached page
http://tinyurl.com/3oa4at

also this same attorney was involved in the re-count of the Florida ballot in the 2000 election and Al Gore was also an advocate for the same attorney.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 09:48:25 AM
Ladies, check this. I see the attorney representing Mansur was also an advocate for another attorney that was charged with laundering drug money - this happened in Feb 2008. What is it with the Florida connection and drug and money laundering??? - wait!!! don't answer that - we don't need an explanation. LOL

<snipped>
"I am assuming they have somebody giving information in a certain light that allows the government to charge a lawyer who was just doing his job," Miami criminal defense attorney Roy Kahn said. Others said they believed it improbable that Kuehne would sacrifice his reputation for a $200,000 side job.
<snipped>

from cached page
http://tinyurl.com/3oa4at

also this same attorney was involved in the re-count of the Florida ballot in the 2000 election and Al Gore was also an advocate for the same attorney.

<sinpped>
But the Miami attorney appeared Thursday before a federal magistrate charged with laundering $5.2 million in drug money that was transferred to celebrity lawyer Roy Black to defend Colombian cocaine kingpin Fabio Ochoa. "I am completely innocent of these charges," Kuehne told U.S. Magistrate Judge Stephen Brown. Kuehne wore a blue suit, his trademark bowtie and American flag lapel pin for his court appearance. The defense and prosecutors agreed to a $250,000 bond.
<snipped>

I wonder where Ochoa leads to? has to be Aruba - I bet it won't take long to connect some dots here.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 09:54:14 AM
Another LEM...born in Columbia, marriage licence from Florida in the photobucket ... DOB 1943...maybe my lost cousin? Having a heck of a time trying to copy...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 09:59:45 AM
just started looking and already found some stuff. Not all related to Aruba yet.

http://tinyurl.com/6p5k7h

Wachovia caught in money-laundering probe

Published: April 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM


CHARLOTTE, N.C., April 26 (UPI) -- U.S. investigators are looking into the role of Wachovia Corp. in an alleged money laundering scheme involving Mexican and Colombian drug money, officials said.

The Wall Street Journal reported Saturday the Charlotte, N.C., bank is just one of several U.S. banks under investigation.

The newspaper said Wachovia and the other banks severed ties with the Mexican foreign-exchange firms in December and January after inquiries began.

"Wachovia is committed to maintaining a strong anti-money-laundering program," said Wachovia spokeswoman Christy Phillips-Brown

Wachovia held deposits belonging to foreign-exchange houses and provided back-office services to the businesses known as casas de cambio.

Court papers show federal agents seized more than $11 million in 23 Wachovia accounts belonging to Casa de Cambio Puebla, a Mexican foreign exchange chain, alleging the money belonged to a drug cartel.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 09:59:56 AM
Rob...Where have I seen the name Barry Seal before...TIA

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr090701.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:08:04 AM
Rob...Where have I seen the name Barry Seal before...TIA

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr090701.html



Mum that's the guy that was involved with the Mena airport and the CIA in the Columbian drug shipments. Park-o-meter, the nose of jets filled with drugs, and Seal was assassinated in 1986. The Fifth Column stole their money - billions of dollars. They stole the money of Nancy Reagan and a bunch of others that had secret Swiss bank accounts. They were the group that split off from the Government and formed their own renegade organization. They are unknown to all except the people that started the government counter-ops. If you remember, after they began stealing the money, the government began to get tuff on them and tried to track them down. I think they were afraid that they were going to blow the roof off of their little criminal empire. They were worried about more than the money being stolen.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 10:12:08 AM
Rob...Where have I seen the name Barry Seal before...TIA

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr090701.html



Mum that's the guy that was involved with the Mena airport and the CIA in the Columbian drug shipments. Park-o-meter, the nose of jets filled with drugs, and Seal was assassinated in 1986. The Fifth Column stole their money - billions of dollars. They stole the money of Nancy Reagan and a bunch of others that had secret Swiss bank accounts. They were the group that split off from the Government and formed their own renegade organization. They are unknown to all except the people that started the government counter-ops. If you remember, after they began stealing the money, the government began to get tuff on them and tried to track them down. I think they were afraid that they were going to blow the roof off of their little criminal empire. They were worried about more than the money being stolen.


Thanks Rob...I think you may have posted recently about him and that is why the name stood out.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:16:24 AM
Rob...Where have I seen the name Barry Seal before...TIA

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr090701.html



Mum that's the guy that was involved with the Mena airport and the CIA in the Columbian drug shipments. Park-o-meter, the nose of jets filled with drugs, and Seal was assassinated in 1986. The Fifth Column stole their money - billions of dollars. They stole the money of Nancy Reagan and a bunch of others that had secret Swiss bank accounts. They were the group that split off from the Government and formed their own renegade organization. They are unknown to all except the people that started the government counter-ops. If you remember, after they began stealing the money, the government began to get tuff on them and tried to track them down. I think they were afraid that they were going to blow the roof off of their little criminal empire. They were worried about more than the money being stolen.


Thanks Rob...I think you may have posted recently about him and that is why the name stood out.

right Mum, after Nancy had her money stolen the Fifth Column blamed Oliver North (who was famous for the Swiss bank accounts) and that ruined their relationship. North had his money stolen also. The list of people involved in this scheme is unreal. So many powerful people from both parties.

Vince Foster was traveling to Switzerland with suitcases full of money. That money started out in Columbia and Seal was a facilitator. One of many.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:20:12 AM
what is the correct spelling for Beth's Dutch Attorney? Bram ???Moskvitz???

I found some other attorneys with the same name involved in some shenanigans.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:27:47 AM
I knew it wouldn't take long

 Treasury Takes Action Against Major
Medellin-Based Trafficker and His
Financial Empire

Washington, DC-- The U.S. Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) today named Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco (a.k.a."Carlos Mario"), a major Medellin-based drug trafficker, as a principal individual on its list of Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers (SDNTs).  At the same time, OFAC designated 45 companies and 64 individuals in Ochoa Vasco's extensive criminal and financial network, across Colombia, Belize, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, and Panama. 

"Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco is the head of one of the most powerful Medellin-based drug trafficking organizations today," said OFAC Director Adam J. Szubin.  "Our action today strikes at his massive financial empire with the aim of depriving him of the benefit of his criminal activities."

This action is part of an ongoing interagency effort to implement Executive Order 12978 (October 21, 1995), which applies economic sanctions against Colombia's drug cartels.  This effort includes the Departments of the Treasury, Justice, State and Homeland Security.  Today's designation action freezes any assets the designees may have subject to U.S. jurisdiction, and prohibits all financial and commercial transactions by any U.S. person with the designated companies and individuals.  This is OFAC's first designation of a significant narcotics trafficker operating out of Medellin, Colombia since the issuance of E.O. 12978 in October 1995.

Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco and twelve other individuals were charged with cocaine trafficking in a September 2004 U.S. federal indictment in the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division.  OFAC has worked closely over the past three years with Operation Panama Express on the investigation of Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco and his organization.  Operation Panama Express is an Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) Strike Force investigation conducted by ICE, DEA, FBI, IRS, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Tampa, Middle District of Florida.  The investigation was also supported by the ICE Attaché - Bogotá, DEA Cartagena, Colombia Resident Office and DEA Belize Country Office.  The U.S. government is offering up to $5 million for information leading to the arrest of Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco.

"ICE is proud of our investigative partnership with other Panama Express member agencies and our contribution to this OFAC case." said Julie L. Myers, DHS Assistant Secretary for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.  "By freezing their assets, we will continue to shut down the ability of drug kingpins like Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco to conduct their illegal businesses."

Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco has been involved in narcotics trafficking activities from Colombia to the United States since at least 1981.  Ochoa Vasco participated in narcotics trafficking with key figures in Colombia's Medellin Cartel such as Luis Fernando Galeano Berrio, Gerardo "Kike" Moncada, Diego Fernando Murillo Bejarano (a.k.a. "Don Berna"), and kingpin Pablo Escobar Gaviria.

The network of 45 Ochoa Vasco businesses designated today includes Duratex S.A., a Colombian carpet/textile company located in Bogota, Colombia; Inversiones y Representaciones S.A. (IRSA), a real estate firm in Medellin, Colombia;  Florida Soccer Club S.A. in Itagui, Antioquia, Colombia; Hotel La Cascada S.A., a hotel in Girardot, Colombia; Yamaha Veranillo Distribuidores, a marina in Barranquilla, Colombia; and a network of real estate firms - Inversiones MPS S.A., Proyectos y Soluciones S.A., Proyectos y Soluciones Inmobiliaria Ltda., and Gerencia de Proyectos y Soluciones Ltda. - located in Bogota, Colombia.  OFAC also designated Duratex S.A. front companies located in Ecuador (Comercializadora Mor Gaviria S.A. and Comercializadora Mordur S.A.), Guatemala (Overseas Trading Company), and Mexico (MC Overseas Trading Company S.A. de C.V).  A clothing store, Lizzy Mundo Interior, in Guadalajara, Mexico was also named.

The OFAC action targeted seven key financial managers for Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco, including Jaime Dib Mor Saab, Jorge Ernesto Caicedo Rojas, Gustavo Alberto Pabon Alvarado, Silvio Yepes Velez, Jhon Jairo Castrillon Vasco, Fernando Maldonado Escobar, and Gabriel Andres Calvo Lombana, as well as three Mexican financial associates, Porfirio Miguel Cadenas Viramontes, Luis Pacheco Mejia, and Gloria Elisa Briseno Mar.  In addition, important criminal associates of Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco were named, including John Jairo Gallego Valencia, Miyer Alberto Garcia Buitrago, Victor Hugo Castro Garzon, Carlos Heneris Varela Serna and Ricardo Castro Garzon.

The assets of a total of 1,477 business and individuals in Aruba, Barbados, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Panama, Peru, Spain, Vanuatu, Venezuela, the Bahamas, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, and the United States have been designated pursuant to E.O. 12978.  The 570 SDNT businesses include agricultural, aviation, consulting, construction, distribution, financial, hotel, investment, manufacturing, maritime, mining, offshore, pharmaceutical, real estate, retail, service, sporting, telecommunication, and textile firms. The SDNT list now includes 22 kingpins from the Cali, Medellin, North Valle, and North Coast drug trafficking organizations in Colombia.

For a complete list of the individuals and entities designated today, please visit: http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/actions/index.shtml.

++++++++++++++++++

I knew this had to be connected to the North Valle Cartel.

 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:32:46 AM
back to the Saudi Prince and the coke shipments.

http://tinyurl.com/4ewyhc

Saudi Prince Tied to Cocaine Smuggling

Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 6:28:41 pm PST


<snipped>

The defense points the finger at Juan Gabriel Usuga Norena, who was indicted with Medellin cartel kingpin Fabio Ochoa, as a storytelling liar.

As Lopez attorney Alan Soven told it, Usuga’s offer was simple. “I can get you the biggest fish in the world. How would you like a Saudi prince?” Soven said. “In their excitement to get the prince, they made a deal with the devil.”

Douglas Williams, Mangeri’s attorney, delayed his opening statement to the beginning of the defense case.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Kim Selmore said there is plenty of physical evidence, such as passport stamps, hotel receipts and photos from a desert encampment, from 1998 meetings in Saudi Arabia, Aruba and Venezuela to plot the cocaine delivery to a stash house in suburban Paris in 1999.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
what is the correct spelling for Beth's Dutch Attorney? Bram ???Moskvitz???

I found some other attorneys with the same name involved in some shenanigans.

Bram Moskovitz is his name Rob...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
Here's a book that outlines it all - from 1994

+++++++++++

Author(s): Ehrenfeld, Rachel;
Title: Evil Money: The Inside Story of Money Laundering & Corruption in Government, Banks, & Business
ISBN: 1561713333     
Publisher: S.P.I./Shapolsky Books ; New York, NY
Pages: 300  © Year: 1994 
See Keywords
Money Laundering; Corruption; Government; Bank; Business; Organized Crime; Terrorism; Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionaries de Colombia; Hezbollah; Hizbollah; New Alliance Party; Palestine Liberation Organization
See Summary
A chilling and fascinating expose of how one trillion dollars in annual drug revenues is laundered through banks in the U.S. and abroad. Evil Money exposes readers to the reality of a worldwide underground economy which links drug cartels and terrorists to so-called legitimate governments and businesses. The result is a growing number of multibillionaire drug lords, corrupt political regimes, and crooked lawyers and bankers, with no solution in sight.
See Index

++++++++++++

this just says Aruba all over it.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on April 30, 2008, 10:51:33 AM
what is the correct spelling for Beth's Dutch Attorney? Bram ???Moskvitz???

I found some other attorneys with the same name involved in some shenanigans.

Bram Moskovitz is his name Rob...


thanks Mum, must not be the same spelling.

<snipped>
Kuehne's legal team is led by Miami attorney Jane Moscowitz of Moscowitz and Moscowitz and Washington attorney John Nields of the Howrey law firm.

The team has decided to make no comments outside court on the case.

The defense motion states anti-money laundering laws do not fit the case because Kuehne was not trying to conceal or hide anything from the court.

His team wants Cooke to order prosecutors to state how money transfers from Kuehne's trust account to Black were done "to conceal or disguise the source of funds, or indeed anything else."

The defense claims prosecutors have willfully ignored a 1984 law amended in 1988 to protect attorneys trying to sort bad money from good. "It is not that Congress thought it proper for a lawyer knowingly to receive proceeds of crime as payment for fees," the pleading said. "The problem is that there is often uncertainty whether fees are clean."

http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/law/080325/435fdddde8531f490b7f213e226fd545.html?.v=1


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 10:55:23 AM
Abraham Moszkowicz

http://www.moszkowicz.nl/paginas/p3-1-maatschap.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 11:15:25 AM
Abraham Moszkowicz

http://www.moszkowicz.nl/paginas/p3-1-maatschap.htm

Thanks...google didn't help!

Vms...what was the name of the Werleman guy, that I think was in Armin's band?  TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 11:18:47 AM
Abraham Moszkowicz

http://www.moszkowicz.nl/paginas/p3-1-maatschap.htm

Thanks...google didn't help!

Vms...what was the name of the Werleman guy, that I think was in Armin's band?  TIA

Never mind...It was Derrick and I found a Juan in with Boss Racing and motorcycle racing...thought maybe there might be a race junkies type connection to Armin!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on April 30, 2008, 11:20:44 AM
Just a note on the tickle site with Freddy in the white robes...if you enlarge the photos you can see a lady in the background.  I am thinking maybe he was participating in something with that church. FYI only.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 11:22:15 AM
Abraham Moszkowicz

http://www.moszkowicz.nl/paginas/p3-1-maatschap.htm

Thanks...google didn't help!

Vms...what was the name of the Werleman guy, that I think was in Armin's band?  TIA

Derrick, IIRC.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 11:26:37 AM
Just a note on the tickle site with Freddy in the white robes...if you enlarge the photos you can see a lady in the background.  I am thinking maybe he was participating in something with that church. FYI only.


LOL...I thought I did see desks one time...better take a closer look!

Then again, maybe it is the memory and not the eyes! Will have another look at it!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on April 30, 2008, 11:37:43 AM
Abraham Moszkowicz

http://www.moszkowicz.nl/paginas/p3-1-maatschap.htm

Thanks...google didn't help!

Vms...what was the name of the Werleman guy, that I think was in Armin's band?  TIA

Derrick, IIRC.

Yes, Derrick or Dèdè or El Lobo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 11:50:00 AM
Abraham Moszkowicz

http://www.moszkowicz.nl/paginas/p3-1-maatschap.htm

Thanks...google didn't help!

Vms...what was the name of the Werleman guy, that I think was in Armin's band?  TIA

Derrick, IIRC.

Yes, Derrick or Dèdè or El Lobo.


I found a Juan, with Boss Racing, just trying to see if there was maybe a race junkies connection there...Lorenzo and Max...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on April 30, 2008, 11:59:34 AM
Just a note on the tickle site with Freddy in the white robes...if you enlarge the photos you can see a lady in the background.  I am thinking maybe he was participating in something with that church. FYI only.

Yes, Lala's.  The garment is called an alb and worn by an altar server.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Sam on April 30, 2008, 12:31:18 PM
Just a note on the tickle site with Freddy in the white robes...if you enlarge the photos you can see a lady in the background.  I am thinking maybe he was participating in something with that church. FYI only.


LOL...I thought I did see desks one time...better take a closer look!

Then again, maybe it is the memory and not the eyes! Will have another look at it!


Mumin Ohio,

or any others who think they may be having vision problems.

If you have a mouse that has a wheel in the middle.
Hold down the ctrl key and then tap the wheel. It should enlarge the type and make the reading much easier.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on April 30, 2008, 01:13:55 PM
Chicago Outfit is Grande. :)

oh ok, thanks vms.. that solves one mystery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

So, I guess that is lewd and lacivious conduct on a child?  Wonder whose?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on April 30, 2008, 07:25:05 PM
I knew it wouldn't take long

 Treasury Takes Action Against Major
Medellin-Based Trafficker and His
Financial Empire

Washington, DC-- The U.S. Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) today named Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco (a.k.a."Carlos Mario"), a major Medellin-based drug trafficker, as a principal individual on its list of Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers (SDNTs).  At the same time, OFAC designated 45 companies and 64 individuals in Ochoa Vasco's extensive criminal and financial network, across Colombia, Belize, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, and Panama. 

"Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco is the head of one of the most powerful Medellin-based drug trafficking organizations today," said OFAC Director Adam J. Szubin.  "Our action today strikes at his massive financial empire with the aim of depriving him of the benefit of his criminal activities."

This action is part of an ongoing interagency effort to implement Executive Order 12978 (October 21, 1995), which applies economic sanctions against Colombia's drug cartels.  This effort includes the Departments of the Treasury, Justice, State and Homeland Security.  Today's designation action freezes any assets the designees may have subject to U.S. jurisdiction, and prohibits all financial and commercial transactions by any U.S. person with the designated companies and individuals.  This is OFAC's first designation of a significant narcotics trafficker operating out of Medellin, Colombia since the issuance of E.O. 12978 in October 1995.

Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco and twelve other individuals were charged with cocaine trafficking in a September 2004 U.S. federal indictment in the Middle District of Florida, Tampa Division.  OFAC has worked closely over the past three years with Operation Panama Express on the investigation of Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco and his organization.  Operation Panama Express is an Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) Strike Force investigation conducted by ICE, DEA, FBI, IRS, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Tampa, Middle District of Florida.  The investigation was also supported by the ICE Attaché - Bogotá, DEA Cartagena, Colombia Resident Office and DEA Belize Country Office.  The U.S. government is offering up to $5 million for information leading to the arrest of Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco.

"ICE is proud of our investigative partnership with other Panama Express member agencies and our contribution to this OFAC case." said Julie L. Myers, DHS Assistant Secretary for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.  "By freezing their assets, we will continue to shut down the ability of drug kingpins like Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco to conduct their illegal businesses."

Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco has been involved in narcotics trafficking activities from Colombia to the United States since at least 1981.  Ochoa Vasco participated in narcotics trafficking with key figures in Colombia's Medellin Cartel such as Luis Fernando Galeano Berrio, Gerardo "Kike" Moncada, Diego Fernando Murillo Bejarano (a.k.a. "Don Berna"), and kingpin Pablo Escobar Gaviria.

The network of 45 Ochoa Vasco businesses designated today includes Duratex S.A., a Colombian carpet/textile company located in Bogota, Colombia; Inversiones y Representaciones S.A. (IRSA), a real estate firm in Medellin, Colombia;  Florida Soccer Club S.A. in Itagui, Antioquia, Colombia; Hotel La Cascada S.A., a hotel in Girardot, Colombia; Yamaha Veranillo Distribuidores, a marina in Barranquilla, Colombia; and a network of real estate firms - Inversiones MPS S.A., Proyectos y Soluciones S.A., Proyectos y Soluciones Inmobiliaria Ltda., and Gerencia de Proyectos y Soluciones Ltda. - located in Bogota, Colombia.  OFAC also designated Duratex S.A. front companies located in Ecuador (Comercializadora Mor Gaviria S.A. and Comercializadora Mordur S.A.), Guatemala (Overseas Trading Company), and Mexico (MC Overseas Trading Company S.A. de C.V).  A clothing store, Lizzy Mundo Interior, in Guadalajara, Mexico was also named.

The OFAC action targeted seven key financial managers for Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco, including Jaime Dib Mor Saab, Jorge Ernesto Caicedo Rojas, Gustavo Alberto Pabon Alvarado, Silvio Yepes Velez, Jhon Jairo Castrillon Vasco, Fernando Maldonado Escobar, and Gabriel Andres Calvo Lombana, as well as three Mexican financial associates, Porfirio Miguel Cadenas Viramontes, Luis Pacheco Mejia, and Gloria Elisa Briseno Mar.  In addition, important criminal associates of Fabio Enrique Ochoa Vasco were named, including John Jairo Gallego Valencia, Miyer Alberto Garcia Buitrago, Victor Hugo Castro Garzon, Carlos Heneris Varela Serna and Ricardo Castro Garzon.

The assets of a total of 1,477 business and individuals in Aruba, Barbados, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Panama, Peru, Spain, Vanuatu, Venezuela, the Bahamas, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, and the United States have been designated pursuant to E.O. 12978.  The 570 SDNT businesses include agricultural, aviation, consulting, construction, distribution, financial, hotel, investment, manufacturing, maritime, mining, offshore, pharmaceutical, real estate, retail, service, sporting, telecommunication, and textile firms. The SDNT list now includes 22 kingpins from the Cali, Medellin, North Valle, and North Coast drug trafficking organizations in Colombia.

For a complete list of the individuals and entities designated today, please visit: http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/actions/index.shtml.

++++++++++++++++++

I knew this had to be connected to the North Valle Cartel.

 

The Ochoa's must one of the biggest cocaine king's in that area..

ORANJESTAD - The judge has proof that justice obtained through afluisterapparatuur going in a car from main accused Rafa Mercado Domino Ochoa in the case, admitted. Effy Tromp and A.M. Brown, suspected of drug trafficking with the gang headed by Ochoa and Luis Mansur, received eight months or 24 months cell.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2641.msg356297#msg356297
======================

Mr. Jossie Mansur the owner of the Diario has been making a fuzz regarding the Holloway case in Aruba. All this to distract attention on some issues of his own family members. Yesterday in the morning hours one of his brothers, to mentioned Luis Mansur has been arrested by local and Dutch authorities regarding money laundry and drug trafficking. The local police force has been assisted by the Dutch Special Units (Korps Landelijke Diensten)and Special Drug Squads out of Curacao. The brohter of Jossie Mansur is now being detained in the police station in San Nicolas and his wife is being held in the police station in Sta Cruz. Jossie Mansur's brother was caught with over one million in cash at his house during the police raid. Two other arrested during this raid was believed to be the relatives of the Ochoa's. Ochoa's was the second largest drug smuggler out of Colombia in the 80's and 90's and are well known to be good friends of the Mansur's in Aruba specially Jossie and his brother Luis. Now everybody can understand the reasons why Jossie Mansur was spitting so much carbage on the local police force and the Aruban government in particular. See for yourself some of the facts regarding Jossie Mansurs relatives and close families:

"More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur's when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe's home on Aruba".

"The activities of Mansur and Lopesierra, however, go well beyond this. They are accused of illegally funding the presidential campaign of Colombian president Ernesto Samper in 1994. Not only did Samper allegedly receive 6 million dollars from the Cali Cartel – an accusation he vehemently denies and ascribes to political machinations – it is said he also pocketed US$ 500,000 in cash offered by "a group from Philip Morris and Interbank”." (79)

The Mansur Family seems to have all the right connections in its corner of the Caribbean. Some Mansur's still have Venezuelan nationality, and they have interests in Maracaibo and Caracas, as well as in Punto Fijo and Coro, where the originally Lebanese Mansur Family had settled before moving to Aruba. Punto Fijo is situated on the Paraguaná peninsula in the North at the Golfo de Venezuela, which separates it from La Guajira.
----------------------------
More on the Saudi Prince and cocaine distribution in Aruba


DISAPPEARING FROM ARUBA AND THE WORLDWIDE CULT OF DEATH *PIC*

Aruba: Carribean Crossroads For Illicit Saudi Trafficking

june 10th 2005 snip

Coincidentally, Natalee Holloway disappeared at the nexus of a Saudi-Venezuela-Miami-Colombia-Geneva-Spain illicit web for trafficking -- one which at least involves illegal drugs and expensive artworks.

Aruba is also an international crossroads, one used by and for a global trafficking ring involving at least one Saudi prince and at least one Geneva-based banker. Here are some of the well publicized characters:

* Saudi Prince Nayef Bin Sultan Bin Fawwaz al-Shaalan, former classmate ( University of Miami ) and lover of Doris Mangeri Salazar.

* Former Miami realtor Doris Mangeri Salazar -- while it exists, see her homepage and photo at

http://www.house-hunting.com/dorism/

* Colombian businessman Ivan Lopez Vanegas

* Spanish and Geneva financier, Jose Maria Clemente

On May 3, 2005, Mangeri and Lopez were found guilty of conspiring with Nayef and Colombian drug lords to smuggle more than two tons of cocaine to Europe, using the prince's diplomatic immunity and a private 727. They face ten years to life in prison, and fines up to $4 million. Sentencing is expected on or about July 15.

One can imagine that at about the time that Natalee Holloway disappered, that at least Doris Mangeri, who was long accustomed to living a rather lavish lifestyle in Coral Gables, was actively cooperating with federal investigators, to try give them as much info' on Nayef as possible -- in the hopes of minimizing her sentence.

Prince Nayef is believed to be in Saudi Arabia, where he would be protected by the Royals and the Saudis lack of an extradition treaty with the United States.

Banker Clemente, who offered million dollar pieces of artwork in the deal was indicted, but interestingly, the Spanish government denied a request for his extradition to the U.S.

Various news reports are available: here is an interesting excerpt from:

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/19/State/Drug_case_is_a_royal_.shtml :

>>>At an initial meeting at a rented villa in Marbella, Spain, in September 1998, the prince offered to launder drug money through a small Geneva private bank he co-owned with his twin brother, Usuga told the jury.

Mangeri sat in on the meeting and stood to make a commission on the deal, he added. The group flew to Geneva the next day and toured the Kanz Bank, which advertised itself as "the only Islamic private bank in Geneva."

Usuga was impressed. The bank's board of directors included a former general manager of the Swiss central bank.<<<

snip

>>>The group met again in Aruba to cement the deal, prosecutors say. The prince proposed picking up the cocaine in May during an upcoming trip to Venezuela where he had official business, Usuga said.<<<
[End excerpt]

ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS ANTILLES ARE UNDER DUTCH LAW

Aruba is just off the coast from Venezuela, where the cocaine was to be picked up. And the well-connected conspirators met in Aruba to seal the deal, indicating that they had resources and familiarity with Aruba and likely had access to “amenable†Aruban authorities willing to look the other way when “circumstances†so dictated.

Aruba was the central link to Venezuela (and Colombia via Venezuela), to Miami, to Spain, to Geneva, and to Saudi Arabia.

All are accessible and convenient to one with a private 727 jet ( esp. with its extra fuel tanks ), unlimited funding, and unlimited diplomatic immunity.

In these undercurrents we see: continuing DEA efforts in Colombia; overlapping with diplomacy and oil energy business in Venezuela; squeezing the corrupt Saudi royal family;

and the possibility of global enforcement against child slavery trafficking rings and associated political blackmail.

In one actual conspiracy, Aruba was central to many of the above events. As pressure is applied against the shadow webs we have the disappearance of another young, beautiful, child-adult. Perhaps US investigators uncovering dirt on Venezuela ( to pressure the Chavez govt's policies ) stumbled upon a treasure trove of corruption just off-shore Venzuela, criscrossing Aruba and linking high-powered players to long protected corruption.

A body may or may not be found on or near Aruba. Was Natalee abducted and immediately removed from the island on a private craft, leaving behind a long list of possible suspects after a night of carousing to neatly cover the trail?

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=72893


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 01, 2008, 01:29:48 AM
Chicago Outfit is Grande. :)

oh ok, thanks vms.. that solves one mystery.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

So, I guess that is lewd and lacivious conduct on a child?  Wonder whose?

Who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchaus...close.

Also, the Deute dude (may dress as a woman or be one.)  Also is Dutch and also, besides whatever else, an artist, if that is the right one.  Had a pic with R. Polanski in Thailand.  One more with the last name of the name Lala's mom cannot spell.. last syllable is kom, is an or was an ice skater (world class) from Holland, as is the other
one, both have the look of either being a man who is wanting to be a woman (note the legs on the ice skater) and the pic of this dude with Polansk in Thialand.  Considence?
Who knows?  anyway the dudes in the pics with the tuxedos, the one with his face covered may be wearing lipstkc and there is lettering aroundthe collar when worked with. He may, in fact be a woman or likes the accessories of women.  Strange bunch.  He just happened to have his face covered by some kind of symbol.  It is the pic where I said the heavy dude must be the rock painter when he was younger.  Young picture of who most likely Ben Voc(king.)  Jack blue
The


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 01, 2008, 01:45:00 AM
Just a note on the tickle site with Freddy in the white robes...if you enlarge the photos you can see a lady in the background.  I am thinking maybe he was participating in something with that church. FYI only.

Been busy this week lala's mom.  Hope you and Mum, and the Shango folks are hanging in there.  That leaves me to wonder how these people are ever going to be prosecuted.
The officials here, there and everywhere know as much and, no doubt more than we all do, and they aren't moving on this.  What's the deal?  That name you cannot spell has a post from me on here.  The Deuto dude ( I am wondering if it is a dude) or a dude who cross-dresses is an artist, very fameous as well as other dudies he/she may may do officially, as does Vanderstratten.  In Thialand w/ Roman Polansk(i).  One Deute gal with moles like the
Cromvroits, is a world class skate racer.  Racing has been mentioned, but everyone is think-ing auto racing.  She has legs like a man.  Too huge for a woman, but may be.  Could be kin to the Deute woman/due everyone seems to be having a hard time finding.  They are Dutch or appear to be as they, at least are the white ones.  My computer gets spazzed out when I go to looking into those Deutek names.  Even when I write the whole name.  Wild.  They are protected and probably by the evil in the world.  These two I mentioned are the only ones with that name I have found.  Strange.   Jack b


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 01, 2008, 08:55:32 AM
Vms…I was doing some checking on Armin’s band members and who may be their elders and I am not sure that Arnold Mohamed was in his band in 2005. I found him at another 2005 site.

 Was plodding merrily away and started getting all sorts of security warnings!…Nothing on my virus scan...but I don't know if I want to go back there...LOL

Did find the Chamber Ernst Mohamed as the manager at the Allegro, but that is as far as I have got! So I don't know if he is related to Arnold. (This was where I ran into problems).

Of course I came up with another Florida connection, this is the Boss Racing guy...may be useless info...as I haven't tied him to Derrick...

Aruba   
International Raceway Park Aruba
1/4 Mile


Juan Werleman
Mailing Address:
Amerijet International Inc.
3401 A NW 72nd Ave.
Miami, FL 33122
juandwerleman@yahoo.com
 Track: 297-585-5716
Office: 305-593-5500
Fax: 297-584-0065
 
Florida 


Just a thought…maybe Freddy plays a Fender as well…


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 01, 2008, 10:49:14 AM

I wonder if this is Derrick Werleman?  Pics at both links…

June 1st. 2007

http://www.micromacroconsultants.com/Engels/Who%20is%20MMC/Photos6.html

July 5th. 2005
Photo above from right to left (photo below from left to right) around the table:
the Commission Macro Model members: Andy Lee, Directeur Centraal Central Bureau of Statistics; Derrick Werleman, Finance Department; Giantcarlo Croes, Central Bank Aruba; Rogier Reijerse, Curalyse expert; Roslyn Vrolijk

http://www.micromacroconsultants.com/Engels/Who%20is%20MMC/Photos4.html


BBL....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 01, 2008, 01:42:41 PM
many teepees spared:
Police: Woman believed to be 'D.C. madam' kills herself
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90CVQ3O2&show_article=1


elders of 'the game' not just of babylon..........


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on May 01, 2008, 02:12:39 PM
many teepees spared:
Police: Woman believed to be 'D.C. madam' kills herself
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90CVQ3O2&show_article=1


elders of 'the game' not just of babylon..........

The "game" is far-reaching and continues in many circles/many elites involved.  IMO.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 01, 2008, 02:20:01 PM
I suspect that these election cycles can be pretty destructive(?)

White House hopefuls digging up the dirt
This just in: Campaigns peddle opposition research against their rivals
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19295680/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 01, 2008, 02:32:14 PM
One of the escort service employees was former University of Maryland, Baltimore County, professor Brandy Britton, who was arrested on prostitution charges in 2006. She committed suicide in January before she was scheduled to go to trial.
http://www.bradenton.com/breakingnews/story/574637.html




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 01, 2008, 03:23:38 PM
One of the escort service employees was former University of Maryland, Baltimore County, professor Brandy Britton, who was arrested on prostitution charges in 2006. She committed suicide in January before she was scheduled to go to trial.
http://www.bradenton.com/breakingnews/story/574637.html




Probably died with her hand in her pocket.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 01, 2008, 03:26:09 PM
Liked Blonde’s timeline so much, I thought I would do one with the dates…LOL

6/11….Arrest that didn’t happen

6/12….Freddy Zedan questioned

6/13….Freddy Zedan questioned – 5PM
6/13….Freddy Zedan and Joran face to face – 6.30PM

6/16….Max Arends questioned – not on Log
6/16….Florencia, Koen and Sander questioned
6/16….Freddy Zedan questioned

6/17….Sander, Jaime, Koen and Steve Croes questioned
6/17….Freddy Zedan questioned
6/17….Max Arendz questioned – not on Log
6/17….Lorenzo van Rijn questioned – not on Log

6/28….Luis Ramirez – questioned
6/28….Freddy Zedan questioned
6/28….Carmen questioned – friend of VDS and Zedan
6/28….Lorenzo van Rijn questioned

As best I could tell, these are the order that the interviews occurred. Tamikosmom thinks that there are one or two of Freddy’s statements missing! I agree and think if so it is between 6/17 and 6/28. There is one for 7/1 and one for Joran for 7/3, but Freddy’s next one is 7/20 and Joran’s are 7/9 and 7/16 and one undated.

I have thought that Freddy was a suspect some of this time. And from what I can see  he doesn’t appear to be a suspect after Lorenzo was questioned until the August arrest date. Hmmm!

If Lorenzo and Freddy were not questioned from 6/17 until 6/28, then how does this relate to Simian’s 5th. suspect?  Are thes guys off the hook, because they were not questioned, or did that make Simian implicate them? If Freddy was questioned one or two more times, how does that fit in?

And then there is Koen! If he was in Florida, what could he tell ALE.  Maybe he told them what was on the pizza they ate at Joran’s that one night! Yep…Just read that is what his book said..LOL




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 01, 2008, 03:31:30 PM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 01, 2008, 04:14:16 PM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 01, 2008, 04:59:01 PM
or framed.....

"they will not sacrifice Steve Croes"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 01, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 






Me, too!  Has CAPS been around lately?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 02, 2008, 07:20:48 AM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 




Just saw last night that the links for pic's of Sasha's 15th. birthday party and the Tickle sites were posted as early as June 19th. 2005. The famous pic would have been on some of the Tickle sites IMO. (The tickle sites were probably out prior this, but saw a post on this with the 6/19 date).

If the famous pic was a fake, then it would have to have been doctored before this time...imo


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 02, 2008, 09:23:47 AM
Vms…I was doing some checking on Armin’s band members and who may be their elders and I am not sure that Arnold Mohamed was in his band in 2005. I found him at another 2005 site.

 Was plodding merrily away and started getting all sorts of security warnings!…Nothing on my virus scan...but I don't know if I want to go back there...LOL

Did find the Chamber Ernst Mohamed as the manager at the Allegro, but that is as far as I have got! So I don't know if he is related to Arnold. (This was where I ran into problems).

Of course I came up with another Florida connection, this is the Boss Racing guy...may be useless info...as I haven't tied him to Derrick...

Aruba   
International Raceway Park Aruba
1/4 Mile


Juan Werleman
Mailing Address:
Amerijet International Inc.
3401 A NW 72nd Ave.
Miami, FL 33122
juandwerleman@yahoo.com
 Track: 297-585-5716
Office: 305-593-5500
Fax: 297-584-0065
 
Florida 


Just a thought…maybe Freddy plays a Fender as well…


Thanks, Mum.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 02, 2008, 09:31:51 AM
Good morning vms...You are welcome....I have been looking at this post of Mirian's and the macamba appears to me to be a Venezuelan, and the ducks could be the Kalpoes, but may be other Central Americans, possibly Mexican.

Even found a tiny speck while searching macamba that leads to Polamar Venezuela. Hmmmm!


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 02, 2008, 01:37:12 PM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 





Hi Mom,

Somewhere, a while back, I recall reading about Freddy.  The article that I was reading referred to him not as Freddy Alexander Zedan, but rather as Fedi Alexander Zedan.  From that point, I always wondered if the name Freddy was a nickname that his friends called him because it sounded more common than Fedi?  Have you ever seen him referred to as Fedi?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 02, 2008, 02:12:44 PM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 





Hi Mom,

Somewhere, a while back, I recall reading about Freddy.  The article that I was reading referred to him not as Freddy Alexander Zedan, but rather as Fedi Alexander Zedan.  From that point, I always wondered if the name Freddy was a nickname that his friends called him because it sounded more common than Fedi?  Have you ever seen him referred to as Fedi?


Hi SS...not Mom, but Mum...LOL

One of his nicknames is Fefi...sounds like a poodle!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on May 02, 2008, 03:17:43 PM
Good morning vms...You are welcome....I have been looking at this post of Mirian's and the macamba appears to me to be a Venezuelan, and the ducks could be the Kalpoes, but may be other Central Americans, possibly Mexican.

Even found a tiny speck while searching macamba that leads to Polamar Venezuela. Hmmmm!


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.


Why was a ‘macamba’ [dutch-born Aruban] not used for the role of Joran?
DIARIO Aruba
4/12/2006

Shonnan [?], I have much admiration and respect towards certain things that go on in Holland, but obviously there are also many things that are onterecht [underserved]…with a lot of emphasis on onterecht!

A few minutes ago, Nederland 2 (AVRO) just aired the program called ‘Opsporing Verzocht’ which dedicated an hour to the matter of Natalee Holloway.

The did a dramatization of the event, which is something very normal (almost) like they always have the habit of doing.

They used a group of blond macamba kids to portray the American students.
 
However, the youngster they used to portray Joran v/d Sloot…wasn’t a macamba! He wasn’t white either, someone who could pass for a Dutch European.

They used an actor completely different, of Aruban appearance, light brown skinned, to pass as Joran.

Why didn’t they use a Macamba?

As well known as this case may be, there are thousands of macambas here who have never heard of this case, and I guarantee you that ALL will think that the suspect must be an Aruban or a non-macamba person! Arubans have to protest against this.

As a television producer, I am extremely obstinate with this. Why didn’t they put a girl of ‘latin’ or Aruban appearance instead of a blond who REALLY could look to be American? Then why didn’t the actor look like a macamba?

Finally, I want to be clear that I have nothing against Joran. I even posed for a picture with him, and I will go as far as saying that for me, Joran is 99.9% innocent.

My problem is with AVRO who always try to use actors who come as ‘close as possible’ in their program, this time put thousands of viewers who don’t know of the case to think that it has to do with an Aruban, or in any case a non-Dutch person, then this is NOT fair.

Alex Alberto
Holland
(via internet)
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html

Bon Dia Aruba
4/10/2006

INVESTIGATION
If traced back to the beginning, with the person who started the investigation, Jan v.d. Straten, was the one who was ‘boze dader macamba’ who had a complot with another ‘macamba’ [Dutch born Aruban], Karin Janssen and together they were manipulating and undoing things that were not good. When v.d. Straten retired, she spoke of a positive change. But in an instant, this changed and she continue to turn against local police.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_09_archive.html

Ever since I was a kid, the word Macamba was used in a derogatory (sp?) manner to refer to the Dutch folks on the island. Nothing to be proud of but life is that way on most colonially oriented islands and the names for colonial settlers runs the creative gamut. Like I said, "nothing to be proud of". IN any case an interesting thing came up and I wanted to share it with you ...

... It became a derogatory term when it was used in reference to the police (most of whom were Dutch at the time) and from there the word became a rather nasty way to refer to the Dutch colonials. After all, these guys were here to impose law!!

charles
arubafastphones.com
http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/word-macamba-1380/

- Macamba - The Guide says the word "refers to a Dutch person or any white person and not meant in a negative way". As a white Americans, we have been specifically told by Bonairean friends that we, as Americans, are not "macambas", and that the term is frequently used in a derogatory manner (as we've witnessed). So, this appears to be a case of wishful thinking instead of reality.
http://tinyurl.com/4s3cej

MadMaster - maandag 18 februari 2008 @ 23:48
On Aruba foreign people and especially Dutch people that stay on the island are also called 'Macamba' (Papiamento) by some of the local people. Not a friendly word, has something to do with the history of Holland at the Antillen, which isn't a nice story either. Aruban people in common don't like foreigners, although it's their main source of income...
http://tinyurl.com/4xqghh



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on May 02, 2008, 03:22:26 PM
Good morning vms...You are welcome....I have been looking at this post of Mirian's and the macamba appears to me to be a Venezuelan, and the ducks could be the Kalpoes, but may be other Central Americans, possibly Mexican.

Even found a tiny speck while searching macamba that leads to Polamar Venezuela. Hmmmm!


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.


Black-bellied tree-duck / Black-bellied whistling-duck
http://www1.nhl.nl/~ribot/jpggr/gdeau.jpg

Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 02, 2008, 03:57:12 PM
Good morning vms...You are welcome....I have been looking at this post of Mirian's and the macamba appears to me to be a Venezuelan, and the ducks could be the Kalpoes, but may be other Central Americans, possibly Mexican.

Even found a tiny speck while searching macamba that leads to Polamar Venezuela. Hmmmm!


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.


Black-bellied tree-duck / Black-bellied whistling-duck
http://www1.nhl.nl/~ribot/jpggr/gdeau.jpg

Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.





Finngirl...nice to see you! Thanks for the info! Now if only COLUMBO would respond to my posts that way, I wouldn't be half as confused!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 02, 2008, 04:30:44 PM
ROLL 'EM!!!!
http://housley.blogs.foxnews.com/





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 02, 2008, 04:31:42 PM
Good morning vms...You are welcome....I have been looking at this post of Mirian's and the macamba appears to me to be a Venezuelan, and the ducks could be the Kalpoes, but may be other Central Americans, possibly Mexican.

Even found a tiny speck while searching macamba that leads to Polamar Venezuela. Hmmmm!


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.


Black-bellied tree-duck / Black-bellied whistling-duck
http://www1.nhl.nl/~ribot/jpggr/gdeau.jpg

Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.





Finngirl...nice to see you! Thanks for the info! Now if only COLUMBO would respond to my posts that way, I wouldn't be half as confused!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mum:

Forget it-there's no hope......     ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 03, 2008, 08:48:18 AM
Good morning...LOL at COLUMBO!

Can anyone correct me if I am wrong on any of this…TIA

Rosalie Klein…ex-husband is Captain Jethro Gesterkamp(Octopus)

Works with Julia, Dilma arends, Angela and Chemaly at Bon Dia

Two kids…one Analisa…other a boy – 18 to 20...hmmm...

Wasn’t Margaret Wever also tied to The News?(Maybe there is two of Margaret)

By Rosali Klein, 
The News Aruba
publications Tuesday, March 1, 2005

Passover in Aruba
by Rosalie Klein


I usually report about the Passover Seder and most events for The News, I am always
assigned the holidays, as they know I will be there anyway. This year I took two pictures that each
said a thousand words.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 03, 2008, 09:37:05 AM
Good morning...LOL at COLUMBO!

Can anyone correct me if I am wrong on any of this…TIA

Rosalie Klein…ex-husband is Captain Jethro Gesterkamp(Octopus)

Works with Julia, Dilma arends, Angela and Chemaly at Bon Dia

Two kids…one Analisa…other a boy – 18 to 20...hmmm...

Wasn’t Margaret Wever also tied to The News?(Maybe there is two of Margaret)

By Rosali Klein, 
The News Aruba
publications Tuesday, March 1, 2005

Passover in Aruba
by Rosalie Klein


I usually report about the Passover Seder and most events for The News, I am always
assigned the holidays, as they know I will be there anyway. This year I took two pictures that each
said a thousand words.




Edit...Analisa worked with Julia, I think!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 03, 2008, 09:53:30 AM
I was told she is scubajab
I'm not sure if this is her,
http://www.caribbeanfireworks.com/media__fire.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 03, 2008, 10:03:02 AM
That could be her sister I had this picture saved as her.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Aruba%20Reporters%20Lawyers/ParaderaPark2157.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 03, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
Has CAPS bailed out on us?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2008, 11:54:54 AM
Has CAPS bailed out on us?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't think so, saw him here night before last.  He is probably busy researching and just hasn't had anything to say lately. 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2008, 12:22:10 PM
Good morning...LOL at COLUMBO!

Can anyone correct me if I am wrong on any of this…TIA

Rosalie Klein…ex-husband is Captain Jethro Gesterkamp(Octopus)

Works with Julia, Dilma arends, Angela and Chemaly at Bon Dia

Two kids…one Analisa…other a boy – 18 to 20...hmmm...

Wasn’t Margaret Wever also tied to The News?(Maybe there is two of Margaret)

By Rosali Klein, 
The News Aruba
publications Tuesday, March 1, 2005

Passover in Aruba
by Rosalie Klein


I usually report about the Passover Seder and most events for The News, I am always
assigned the holidays, as they know I will be there anyway. This year I took two pictures that each
said a thousand words.



http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/favorite-free-aruba-newspaper-27300/#post92619

 06-05-2007, 10:32 AM    post #11 (permalink)   

margaret wever
Senior Member
 

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 157  Hi everyone!

FYI: I am not voting on this one, as proud as I am of our paper and as confident as I am in our product, I still believe it would not be ethical and very unfair for me to participate at voting on this survey.

I am taking the opportunity to say Masha Masha Danki to all who enjoy THE NEWS and have expressed it here and also to say thank you for your observations which will only benefit the product and its content that we proudly offer you while you are on the island.

And what made me really answer on this post: I am writing - after seeing the many remarks - to say that we aim to have a website running sometime in the very very near future.
And as sincere as I am: I should tell you that I too enjoy most reading up on "Aruba" in English online on Amigoe.com when I am off-island.

Sunny regards, Margaret


http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/welcome-back-margaret-28961/

10-19-2007, 01:52 PM    post #1 (permalink)   

Arubalisa
Senior Member

Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,832
Images: 9 Welcome Back Margaret!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I know I for one have missed your expertise!

Any updates on your plans for getting "THE NEWS" online? A lot of people are really frustrated by the manner in which Aruba Today has switched over their online version, poor format and last but not least, lack of timely updates. We need a breath of fresh "NEWS".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 03, 2008, 01:06:09 PM
Does anyone remember who Caps finally settled on as Dirty Hand?  I have too many names and none of them fit....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2008, 01:34:39 PM
Does anyone remember who Caps finally settled on as Dirty Hand?  I have too many names and none of them fit....

Lala's, in my opinion there is more than one DH in this case.  Caps discussed what he considers a "super" DH at the following link.  Hope it helps!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg377317#msg377317 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg377317#msg377317)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 03, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
Good morning...LOL at COLUMBO!

Can anyone correct me if I am wrong on any of this…TIA

Rosalie Klein…ex-husband is Captain Jethro Gesterkamp(Octopus)

Works with Julia, Dilma arends, Angela and Chemaly at Bon Dia

Two kids…one Analisa…other a boy – 18 to 20...hmmm...

Wasn’t Margaret Wever also tied to The News?(Maybe there is two of Margaret)

By Rosali Klein, 
The News Aruba
publications Tuesday, March 1, 2005

Passover in Aruba
by Rosalie Klein


I usually report about the Passover Seder and most events for The News, I am always
assigned the holidays, as they know I will be there anyway. This year I took two pictures that each
said a thousand words.




Edit...Analisa worked with Julia, I think!

There is a Margaret Weaver  (spelling?) who is a very well known writer, who works (ed?) for the Associated Press and has written and has been published for years.  I have wondered about this connection as well.   jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 03, 2008, 02:03:12 PM
Thanks TM.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 03, 2008, 04:07:14 PM
Thanks TM.
You're welcome, LM.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 03, 2008, 07:04:43 PM
Rosalie Klein on the right:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/RosalieKlein-1.jpg)


Julia, Dilma, Tito, Annalisa, & Angela all in this photo:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/JuliaTitoDilmaAnnalisaAngela.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 03, 2008, 10:38:49 PM
I wonder if The Muffin Man is related to Scubajap?...page 14

http://www.colegioarubano.aw/colarin/print/oktober2005.pdf

Lala's...did you see that Rosalie is Jewish...Follow that Star...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/syncarib.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 04, 2008, 10:13:19 AM

Lots of dots…I believe this may be the right path!...Thanks vms for posting the Freddy info!

Vms posted this pic of Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis aka Arends a little while back. Below is Caps translation..followed by a Ghislaine I found…


« Reply #1925 on: April 14, 2008, 01:11:33 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1920


« Reply #1932 on: April 14, 2008, 02:31:41 PM » Caps translation

Today, this sweet sweet guy made another year of his easy live. No other than FREDDY ZEDAM. He receives bunch of Hugss and Kisses from all his fammaly Much more kisses from all his admirers who at this moment are too much to mention.HaHaHaHa what did you think, did you think you where not going to be in the news papers?

Well as you know my treasure, enjoy your day and don't do any thing too much, TQM=Te Quiero Mucho = I love you very much, your little sister Ghis.



http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:Vc8kvePbQrUJ:www.arruwac.com/docs/beticomemorial2008_5krunwalk.pdf+Randy+Habibe+and+Jossy+Arends&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us


839 ARENDS GHISLAINE


Posted again by vms a while back…

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1920

« Reply #1929 on: April 14, 2008, 01:50:48 PM »

Note Freddy is from Maracaibo, his brother Ernesto said he is from Porlamar?

Re: Arends Family in Aruba
Jun 17, 2006 ... ALBERT MAXIMILIAAN (MOKKI) ARENDS -- Mokki Arends was born in the early 1950's and I believe in Aruba or Maracaibo, Venezuela. ...genforum.genealogy.com/arends/messages/159.html







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 04, 2008, 10:27:12 AM
Since we spend an inordinate amount of time arguing what initials stand for in this thread, I thought I would continue to muddy the waters even more....


PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, state the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes stated:

- That he does not know the suspect J.A.P.van der Sloot

- That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot  stated

- That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

- That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of this we, ERASMUS and KELLY, on our oath as officers made this statement, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 18, 2005.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS S.B. KELLY


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Since we spend an inordinate amount of time arguing what initials stand for in this thread, I thought I would continue to muddy the waters even more....


PROCES - VERBAAL


We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively agent first class and sergeant at the Korps police force Aruba and at the section district II, state the following:

On 18 June 2005, the S.G.C.J Croes faced suspect around 17:35, a closed meeting with the suspect Joran was faced.

The suspected S.G.C.J Croes stated:

- That he does not know the suspect J.A.P.van der Sloot

- That he had never seen the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot ever before in his life.

The suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot  stated

- That he did not know S.G.C.J. Croes

- That suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot had never seen the suspect S.G.C.J. Croes ever before in his life.


Of this we, ERASMUS and KELLY, on our oath as officers made this statement, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 18, 2005.

Signed,


J.M. ERASMUS S.B. KELLY


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg371803#msg371803
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1920
reply #1939


Posted on SM Front Page
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/NAH/SteveCroes.jpg)
 
 UPDATE: Initials S.C. born 21 -07-1978 –> Has only one hit in national health system: Steve Gregg C. J. Croes
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=seroe


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 04, 2008, 12:54:35 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

Max’s parents…Raymond and Vanessa…Montanja #10
Arends-Werleman Elaine Deborah..same address per phone book…also on Chamber list
Any idea who this would be?… TIA    


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2008, 01:32:47 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

Max’s parents…Raymond and Vanessa…Montanja #10
Arends-Werleman Elaine Deborah..same address per phone book…also on Chamber list
Any idea who this would be?… TIA    
IIRC one of the maids for the VDS was named Werleman, I'll check.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 04, 2008, 01:36:37 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

Max’s parents…Raymond and Vanessa…Montanja #10
Arends-Werleman Elaine Deborah..same address per phone book…also on Chamber list
Any idea who this would be?… TIA    

Mum,
 
The problem with that is Max's father's name is Maximiliano F. Arends.

ARENDS MAXIMILIANO FRANCISCO PALMITASTRAAT 1
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


http://www.acs-aec.org/Disasters/NatDisas/English/PF%20DN%2008092004%20Updated.xls


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 04, 2008, 01:43:54 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

Max’s parents…Raymond and Vanessa…Montanja #10
Arends-Werleman Elaine Deborah..same address per phone book…also on Chamber list
Any idea who this would be?… TIA    
IIRC one of the maids for the VDS was named Werleman, I'll check.
Nope, wrong one....and there are lots of Werleman's in Aruba too!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 04, 2008, 02:01:54 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

Max’s parents…Raymond and Vanessa…Montanja #10
Arends-Werleman Elaine Deborah..same address per phone book…also on Chamber list
Any idea who this would be?… TIA    

Mum,
 
The problem with that is Max's father's name is Maximiliano F. Arends.

ARENDS MAXIMILIANO FRANCISCO PALMITASTRAAT 1
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


http://www.acs-aec.org/Disasters/NatDisas/English/PF%20DN%2008092004%20Updated.xls


Well..Well!!! Thank you very, very much vms!!!!

All this time I thought that Max lived at #10!!!

Wonder how far away from Joran he really lives?

Now I find out some-one else does...oh my!





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 04, 2008, 02:08:49 PM
CROES-RIDDERSTAAT, JERNEY JULISSA, MONTANJA #13 NOORD

ARENDS , RAYMOND MAXIMILIAN, MONTANJA #10 NOORD

Accross the street from Joran:

WU , QIAOMEI, MONTANJA #18 NOORD

Also lots of Tromp's in the area as well.

Max’s parents…Raymond and Vanessa…Montanja #10
Arends-Werleman Elaine Deborah..same address per phone book…also on Chamber list
Any idea who this would be?… TIA    
IIRC one of the maids for the VDS was named Werleman, I'll check.
Nope, wrong one....and there are lots of Werleman's in Aruba too!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hi texasmom....I think the maid was Werleman-Dijkoff (sp).

Derrick Werleman in Armin's band... lots of Werlemans and lots of Arends...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 04, 2008, 06:40:22 PM
Find Hooiberg...Find the Haystack...Dutch owned...

http://www.arubahaystack.com/en/haystack-residence-info.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on May 04, 2008, 07:53:04 PM
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/632000-632999/632092_2_full.jpg)

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/632092

Notice the STAR


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 06:29:57 AM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 





Hi Mom,

Somewhere, a while back, I recall reading about Freddy.  The article that I was reading referred to him not as Freddy Alexander Zedan, but rather as Fedi Alexander Zedan.  From that point, I always wondered if the name Freddy was a nickname that his friends called him because it sounded more common than Fedi?  Have you ever seen him referred to as Fedi?

SS...reading back...any ideas on where to find this article?...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 07:03:15 AM
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: Opposably Thumb...
This primate ain't no boy. Too many doppelgangers. What's in a name?

Swinging from a building ain't easy. Merian has many babylonian friends. Primates are not indigenous to the land, but make no mistake still a cousin to the great Cacique Macuarima.

Look tomorrow for the Palace will rumble. Eyes burning in the xenon. Rotten packages from The Hague will make or break the losers. The palace servants have to choose sides now and avoid embarrasement.


Seems Merian knew on July 13th. that evidence sent to The Hague would be tainted. The palace servants...would one be KJ?

Did KJ have a change of heart around this time? She carried the duct tape to The Netherlands around July 21st.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 07:16:54 AM
This one bothers me a little...There is a quote from an interview of van der Straten saying he picked up one (1) FBI agent from the airport on, I believe, June 2nd.

Merian implies that an agent was on the scene May 31st. Both Paulus and Joran mention an FBI agent in their PVs. I don't think they are referring to Jodi Bearman, and according to an article that Pita posted previously, Williams was DEA back in the early 1990s.

Is there anything to this, or is it all part of the misinformation plan?

Or maybe Natalee wasn't even 'missing' as far as Aruba was concened until June 1st.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: DAY 1
The FBI has been in Aruba since DAY 1. Less than 24 hours after the girl went missing.
Usually when an person older than 18 goes missing, the Police have to wait 48 hours before
taking any action.

Aruba has agreed to ANYTHING the Holloways suggested. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. Going to
the BRINK of jurisdiction, which could play in favor of the defendant should the case ever
go to trial.

The American media has turned this in sensationalist story that is hurting everybody.

I hope the average American can get things moving in their own country to find their lost
kids.

Everybody must start considering that this girl is not in Aruba anymore.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 05, 2008, 08:04:51 AM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 





Hi Mom,

Somewhere, a while back, I recall reading about Freddy.  The article that I was reading referred to him not as Freddy Alexander Zedan, but rather as Fedi Alexander Zedan.  From that point, I always wondered if the name Freddy was a nickname that his friends called him because it sounded more common than Fedi?  Have you ever seen him referred to as Fedi?

SS...reading back...any ideas on where to find this article?...


Sorry, I don't remember.  I noticed the spelling of his name in the reference and then later discovered that Fedi is a real name.  Who is this person, anyway?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 08:24:01 AM
Since we know that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...Freddy is implicated in some way.  I have yet to see proof that the famous pic is truly doctored in any way....still waiting for that...and a few other things. 





Hi Mom,

Somewhere, a while back, I recall reading about Freddy.  The article that I was reading referred to him not as Freddy Alexander Zedan, but rather as Fedi Alexander Zedan.  From that point, I always wondered if the name Freddy was a nickname that his friends called him because it sounded more common than Fedi?  Have you ever seen him referred to as Fedi?

SS...reading back...any ideas on where to find this article?...


Sorry, I don't remember.  I noticed the spelling of his name in the reference and then later discovered that Fedi is a real name.  Who is this person, anyway?   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Morning SS...Fedi or Freddy...LOL

Just doing a little research on it, will see what I come up with...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 10:36:44 AM
Warning…grab the salt!

SS…Since December I have had a visitor on my computer, copies only some places I visit on the internet and nearly all my posts on SM (doesn’t care for the Lounge for some reason)…LOL

Here is my unscientific research per my “Internet stalker’ as my DH calls it…

This is where I have been followed around the web this morning! SM is a given and so is Aruba…LOL

Fedi Alexander Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Arends Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
flag with a sun breaking through
Marco Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.filef.info/nowar.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.politicamentecorretto.com/index.php%3Fnews%3D4069&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

And this is where I was not…

country flags with sun
Eric williams dea
Fedi Alexander Zedan
Fedi Zedan
Fedi arends venezuela
Fedi Zedan Venezuela
flag with a rising sun
Uruguay

My computer? tells me that the flag I am looking for, the one I think Merian was referencing, (noble son of the sun breaking through), is not the flag of Uruguay (or Japan for that matter).

Tells me Fedi is a non-issue, as is Eric Williams, Zedan and Arends …

It also tells me that the Maracaibo Venezuela is one path to follow…

And I should look for the flag with the sun breaking through!





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 05, 2008, 12:05:44 PM
Warning…grab the salt!

SS…Since December I have had a visitor on my computer, copies only some places I visit on the internet and nearly all my posts on SM (doesn’t care for the Lounge for some reason)…LOL

Here is my unscientific research per my “Internet stalker’ as my DH calls it…

This is where I have been followed around the web this morning! SM is a given and so is Aruba…LOL

Fedi Alexander Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Arends Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
flag with a sun breaking through
Marco Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.filef.info/nowar.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.politicamentecorretto.com/index.php%3Fnews%3D4069&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

And this is where I was not…

country flags with sun
Eric williams dea
Fedi Alexander Zedan
Fedi Zedan
Fedi arends venezuela
Fedi Zedan Venezuela
flag with a rising sun
Uruguay

My computer? tells me that the flag I am looking for, the one I think Merian was referencing, (noble son of the sun breaking through), is not the flag of Uruguay (or Japan for that matter).

Tells me Fedi is a non-issue, as is Eric Williams, Zedan and Arends …

It also tells me that the Maracaibo Venezuela is one path to follow…

And I should look for the flag with the sun breaking through!








How do you know when you have a visitor and how can you tell if you're being tracked?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 12:27:06 PM
Warning…grab the salt!

SS…Since December I have had a visitor on my computer, copies only some places I visit on the internet and nearly all my posts on SM (doesn’t care for the Lounge for some reason)…LOL

Here is my unscientific research per my “Internet stalker’ as my DH calls it…

This is where I have been followed around the web this morning! SM is a given and so is Aruba…LOL

Fedi Alexander Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Arends Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
flag with a sun breaking through
Marco Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.filef.info/nowar.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.politicamentecorretto.com/index.php%3Fnews%3D4069&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

And this is where I was not…

country flags with sun
Eric williams dea
Fedi Alexander Zedan
Fedi Zedan
Fedi arends venezuela
Fedi Zedan Venezuela
flag with a rising sun
Uruguay

My computer? tells me that the flag I am looking for, the one I think Merian was referencing, (noble son of the sun breaking through), is not the flag of Uruguay (or Japan for that matter).

Tells me Fedi is a non-issue, as is Eric Williams, Zedan and Arends …

It also tells me that the Maracaibo Venezuela is one path to follow…

And I should look for the flag with the sun breaking through!








How do you know when you have a visitor and how can you tell if you're being tracked?

My password was over-ridden for my router and I was locked out of my computer. Every now and then I see some 'funny things' going on with my icons on the bottom...one time I shut down and got a screen capture of what was going on. It changed how my history list looked and appeared to be sending the info somewhere..LOL...not sure what I am going to do with the screen capture!

Some of my history, the ones mentioned in the first list are written twice when I mouse over them in my history. Others only once. I have a couple of files that are read only, and I can't see what they are.

I am always getting messages that my documents are in use by another user, and asked if I would like to read the doc...LOL

I tried to follow what my SM posts where doing and each one I went to told me I couldn't start a new thread...well I have only started one thread the whole time I have been posting here...some days it tells me I tried to start 30, depending how many times I post!

The dish peeps told me to call the router peeps and they will give me a new password, but have DD's old lappy wired directly to the modem and the same thing happens with her's.

Not going to worry about it until this computer crashes then I'll get a new modem, reset the router, along with a new CPU. Already had a geek guy out and then they said they want more money than the CPU is worth to dig deeper, as they put it.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 05, 2008, 01:28:48 PM
Find Hooiberg...Find the Haystack...Dutch owned...

http://www.arubahaystack.com/en/haystack-residence-info.html



Aruba Vacation Park is owned by Louis and Ans van Galen.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 04:30:36 PM
Find Hooiberg...Find the Haystack...Dutch owned...

http://www.arubahaystack.com/en/haystack-residence-info.html



Aruba Vacation Park is owned by Louis and Ans van Galen.


Thanks Pita...the Registry was down when I tried to find the owners.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 05, 2008, 07:02:38 PM
Warning…grab the salt!

SS…Since December I have had a visitor on my computer, copies only some places I visit on the internet and nearly all my posts on SM (doesn’t care for the Lounge for some reason)…LOL

Here is my unscientific research per my “Internet stalker’ as my DH calls it…

This is where I have been followed around the web this morning! SM is a given and so is Aruba…LOL

Fedi Alexander Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Arends Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela
Fedi Zedan Maracaibo Venezuela
flag with a sun breaking through
Marco Fedi Maracaibo Venezuela

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.filef.info/nowar.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=4&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.politicamentecorretto.com/index.php%3Fnews%3D4069&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=5&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMarco%2BFedi%2BMaracaibo%2Bvenezuela%26hl%3Den

And this is where I was not…

country flags with sun
Eric williams dea
Fedi Alexander Zedan
Fedi Zedan
Fedi arends venezuela
Fedi Zedan Venezuela
flag with a rising sun
Uruguay

My computer? tells me that the flag I am looking for, the one I think Merian was referencing, (noble son of the sun breaking through), is not the flag of Uruguay (or Japan for that matter).

Tells me Fedi is a non-issue, as is Eric Williams, Zedan and Arends …

It also tells me that the Maracaibo Venezuela is one path to follow…

And I should look for the flag with the sun breaking through!








How do you know when you have a visitor and how can you tell if you're being tracked?

My password was over-ridden for my router and I was locked out of my computer. Every now and then I see some 'funny things' going on with my icons on the bottom...one time I shut down and got a screen capture of what was going on. It changed how my history list looked and appeared to be sending the info somewhere..LOL...not sure what I am going to do with the screen capture!

Some of my history, the ones mentioned in the first list are written twice when I mouse over them in my history. Others only once. I have a couple of files that are read only, and I can't see what they are.

I am always getting messages that my documents are in use by another user, and asked if I would like to read the doc...LOL

I tried to follow what my SM posts where doing and each one I went to told me I couldn't start a new thread...well I have only started one thread the whole time I have been posting here...some days it tells me I tried to start 30, depending how many times I post!

The dish peeps told me to call the router peeps and they will give me a new password, but have DD's old lappy wired directly to the modem and the same thing happens with her's.

Not going to worry about it until this computer crashes then I'll get a new modem, reset the router, along with a new CPU. Already had a geek guy out and then they said they want more money than the CPU is worth to dig deeper, as they put it.





Wow, somebody must really want to know what it is that you know!   ::MonkeyWink::

I went back and tried to retrace where I found the name Fedi, but I can't find it.  I assumed at first that it was a typo and later discovered that it is a real name in the Middle East.  I did check out some flags for you.  What I found was Argentina, Japan, Malaysia, Nambia, Rwanda, Taiwan, and Uruguay.  I noticed that the flag of Antigua-Brbuda was very interesting.  It is a very obvious sun that looks like it is rising - breaking through?  I wonder if Freddy uses any of his mother's many names like Rodriguez or Albert?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 07:39:04 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::SS...Wish I knew what I knew! Seriously...I think I just triggered something that day, but I hope some-one is enjoying all my posts, not to mention the hours I spend surfing the web.

Thanks for the flag info. I am not even sure if that is what Merian meant...LOL...still stuck on 'across the pond' and 'follow the star'.

BTW my 'stalker' just loved Ernesto today! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 07:45:23 PM
::MonkeyLaugh::SS...Wish I knew what I knew! Seriously...I think I just triggered something that day, but I hope some-one is enjoying all my posts, not to mention the hours I spend surfing the web.

Thanks for the flag info. I am not even sure if that is what Merian meant...LOL...still stuck on 'across the pond' and 'follow the star'.

BTW my 'stalker' just loved Ernesto today! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if your stalker is Dutch or Aruban or American?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 08:01:04 PM
::MonkeyLaugh::SS...Wish I knew what I knew! Seriously...I think I just triggered something that day, but I hope some-one is enjoying all my posts, not to mention the hours I spend surfing the web.

Thanks for the flag info. I am not even sure if that is what Merian meant...LOL...still stuck on 'across the pond' and 'follow the star'.

BTW my 'stalker' just loved Ernesto today! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if your stalker is Dutch or Aruban or American?  ::MonkeyCool::

LOL...DH is convinced it is a male...and has told me on more than one occasion that I did it to myself, going places I shouldn't have gone!

If he only knew just where these fingers have taken me following the underbelly of 'Devil's Island'... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 05, 2008, 08:18:12 PM

LOL...DH is convinced it is a male...and has told me on more than one occasion that I did it to myself, going places I shouldn't have gone!

If he only knew just where these fingers have taken me following the underbelly of 'Devil's Island'.
.. ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 05, 2008, 09:06:04 PM
::MonkeyLaugh::SS...Wish I knew what I knew! Seriously...I think I just triggered something that day, but I hope some-one is enjoying all my posts, not to mention the hours I spend surfing the web.

Thanks for the flag info. I am not even sure if that is what Merian meant...LOL...still stuck on 'across the pond' and 'follow the star'.

BTW my 'stalker' just loved Ernesto today! ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wonder if your stalker is Dutch or Aruban or American?  ::MonkeyCool::

LOL...DH is convinced it is a male...and has told me on more than one occasion that I did it to myself, going places I shouldn't have gone!

If he only knew just where these fingers have taken me following the underbelly of 'Devil's Island'... ::MonkeyEek::



Well, by process of elimination it's probably Deepak, ALE, AHATA, or the Renfro group.  You really could start to have some fun and torment your little intruder by continually going to sites that are disturbing.  I wouldn't even know how to figure out that I have an intruder.  It sounds like you understand the whole thing.  Someone must be very nervous about the information that we discuss in this forum and information that you have researched.  I hope we make their stomachs roll when we come up with information.  It's part of what Beth referred to as making their lives a living hell.  My guess would be on Deepak because he has the advanced skills to hack someone's systems.

Hey Deepak, are you getting this information?  We're talking about you and we know what you did.    ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:08:56 PM
Mum
Are still here?  Surely you must remember Mito Croes??


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
I guess I am about to answer my own question. LOL


CapsLockWizard
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #591 on: April 22, 2008, 03:23:48 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:36:21 PM
Thank you, Caps.  Very Happy

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 09:22:31 PM
I guess I am about to answer my own question. LOL


CapsLockWizard
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #591 on: April 22, 2008, 03:23:48 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:36:21 PM
Thank you, Caps.  Very Happy

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.

Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes


LOL...little on the slow side tonight...for some reason I am thinking Milo Croes...LOL...just asked caesu, but I do recall a link that Pita posted and it was one that I had visited.

Thanks for bringing that post forward...Robert Maduro...just ran across him or some-one in his family, I think? Will have to check him out!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 09:26:46 PM
Mum
Are still here?  Surely you must remember Mito Croes??


LOL...I remember...I asked Caps about him. I don't believe he answered, nothing new. About 10 days later he made that post...  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:30:15 PM
Mum
Are still here?  Surely you must remember Mito Croes??


LOL...I remember...I asked Caps about him. I don't believe he answered, nothing new. About 10 days later he made that post...  ::MonkeyConfused::

Yep. Maybe he will venture in and finish the story.  I would like to know what he thinks about Mito.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 05, 2008, 09:37:14 PM
Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 09:47:04 PM
Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.


Is that the same Kalpoe family? Is that Paramaribo, Suriname...sorry too tired to google!

SS...I don't think my buddy is Deepak, and if it is who I think it is, I will find out soon enough... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 09:51:35 PM
Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: Veritas veritae
The Simian does not know how the saliña got filled. Do not engage.

The bifrons lurks in the shadows. Such special boys won't burn their fingers. Enter the
macamba to squeel on the black bellied tree ducks.


Macamba= Joran van der Sloot ( I was told this is a slang term for a Dutch person, I was told that by a person we all know and love (well, maybe not love any longer) that lives in Aruba)

Black bellied tree ducks= Kalpoes


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 05, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.


Is that the same Kalpoe family? Is that Paramaribo, Suriname...sorry too tired to google!

SS...I don't think my buddy is Deepak, and if it is who I think it is, I will find out soon enough... ::MonkeyEek::



Ok, now you have to tell us because we're very intrigued.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on May 05, 2008, 10:31:29 PM
Where's CAPS?  On vacation? Anyone know?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 05, 2008, 10:49:42 PM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 05, 2008, 10:50:21 PM
Does anyone know Freddy's Date of Birth? TIA  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 10:50:44 PM
Photo by J.H. Ribot, at the place of the Kalpoe family, Kalpoeweg Suriname 1984. Formerly you could hear large groups of whistling-ducks pass over Paramaribo at night. After much hunting, the groups are normally much smaller now, although groups of thousands can be seen sometimes in March. They are found in lagoons and will feed at night, sometimes in rice-fields. These ducks can be found perching in trees, deserving them the name 'tree-duck'. Nests have been found in holes of mangrove trees, sometimes with many (more than 10) eggs.


Is that the same Kalpoe family? Is that Paramaribo, Suriname...sorry too tired to google!

SS...I don't think my buddy is Deepak, and if it is who I think it is, I will find out soon enough... ::MonkeyEek::



Ok, now you have to tell us because we're very intrigued.


LOL...I'll post the link for the discussion in the morning...it will be fairly obvious....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 05, 2008, 10:52:41 PM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.

WOW!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 10:54:00 PM
Does anyone know Freddy's Date of Birth? TIA  ::MonkeyWink::


Hotping... September...it is back a couple of pages...the pic with Ghis...I think you have to do the math on the year


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 05, 2008, 10:57:46 PM
Does anyone know Freddy's Date of Birth? TIA  ::MonkeyWink::


Hotping... September...it is back a couple of pages...the pic with Ghis...I think you have to do the math on the year
Thanks MUM!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
Thanks Caps...Goodnight all...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 05, 2008, 11:03:37 PM
Sorry Hotping...the pic was in NAH on Friday night...the translation in this thread Sat. morning...I think....too late for me!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 05, 2008, 11:14:34 PM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.


 ::MonkeyDance:: Thanks Caps!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Chata on May 05, 2008, 11:26:26 PM
I guess I am about to answer my own question. LOL


CapsLockWizard
   
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #591 on: April 22, 2008, 03:23:48 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 22, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:36:21 PM
Thank you, Caps.  Very Happy

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.
Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes


LaLa's,

I am lost as usual, reading CAPS posts. 
However, I was looking up something and found some info about the Aruban Jewish population and a Maduro connection.  This made me think about the photo Kermit posted several pages back that had a car in front of a building and a large star of David.  Probably nothing at all, but here is one place that I was looking at: http://www.ujcl.org/aruba/

Also, I remember reading about a birthday being celebrated for an elderly gentleman (in his 90's) who I believe was a Cuban native.  I do not remember his name, but he was connected with the hotel business and for some reason he has stayed in my memory.  This was back in 2006.  I don't think he is connected in any way, but this post by CAPS brought him to my mind again.

CHATA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 05, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.

Hello Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

They must have some good reasons to seal off that area! Also interesting news about the CSI and I hope they are there for Natalees case! Thanks!

I know its another Pond..But did you see the post about someone finding a human shin bone in the Moko by Jorans House?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 05, 2008, 11:38:58 PM
No, I have not.

But the light of the soccer field was on this whole weekend till 3:30 am in the morning, Today day are off. but it seems that this goup is here a week already they are the one that seal the area. Also Saterday night goining in sunday early morninng, sources said that they saw a lot new face in the are of Lekker.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 05, 2008, 11:44:23 PM
No, I have not.

But the light of the soccer field was on this whole weekend till 3:30 am in the morning, Today day are off. but it seems that this goup is here a week already they are the one that seal the area. Also Saterday night goining in sunday early morninng, sources said that they saw a lot new face in the are of Lekker.


Great stuff Caps!! I hope they are researching Natalees case! I know that Tromp is still missing without a trace in Aruba also..Is he still missing?
===========================================================
Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 05, 2008, 11:45:37 PM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.

Hello Caps  ::MonkeyCool::

They must have some good reasons to seal off that area! Also interesting news about the CSI and I hope they are there for Natalees case! Thanks!

I know its another Pond..But did you see the post about someone finding a human shin bone in the Moko by Jorans House?

it was not in the news here in Aruba.

Who post it. maybe it is another trick to let people focus on other area.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 11:51:08 PM
Caps
Welcome back...I am not surprised by this news although I have been expecting this for a while now.  I am getting that sinking feeling once again...I swear my stomach is never settled when it comes to this case.  Take care, my friend.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 11:54:13 PM
I guess I should add that I no longer trust anything from Holland...not forensics or prosecutors or anyone...so I am jaded...I thought surely they would include someone we all know and love.  I guess not...not getting any hopes up for this one...I just can't this time.  But I hope this is enough news to this back into the media one more time.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 05, 2008, 11:56:50 PM
Chata
Thanks.  I am glad you reminded me...I should ask Kermit what he meant about that photo.  I meant to do that, but for some reason I didn't.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 06, 2008, 12:02:18 AM
Thank You Caps for posting this News.....Just maybe Very Good Things are about to Happen..... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 12:06:59 AM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)



 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 12:13:06 AM
No, I have not.

But the light of the soccer field was on this whole weekend till 3:30 am in the morning, Today day are off. but it seems that this goup is here a week already they are the one that seal the area. Also Saterday night goining in sunday early morninng, sources said that they saw a lot new face in the are of Lekker.


Great stuff Caps!! I hope they are researching Natalees case! I know that Tromp is still missing without a trace in Aruba also..Is he still missing?
===========================================================
Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225

How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains.

it has arrived yesterday.
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 12:20:01 AM
No, I have not.

But the light of the soccer field was on this whole weekend till 3:30 am in the morning, Today day are off. but it seems that this goup is here a week already they are the one that seal the area. Also Saterday night goining in sunday early morninng, sources said that they saw a lot new face in the are of Lekker.


Great stuff Caps!! I hope they are researching Natalees case! I know that Tromp is still missing without a trace in Aruba also..Is he still missing?
===========================================================
Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225

How strange.... Today in matter of fact, the ALE got this special dog that is trained to sniff drugs, money and human remains.

it has arrived yesterday.
 
Sorry to say, but the dog arrived yesterday and was delivert today at the Police station. it Did not go to work yet. Need to get use to aruba a bit a gues..

Was in customs care..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 06, 2008, 12:23:12 AM
No, I have not.

But the light of the soccer field was on this whole weekend till 3:30 am in the morning, Today day are off. but it seems that this goup is here a week already they are the one that seal the area. Also Saterday night goining in sunday early morninng, sources said that they saw a lot new face in the are of Lekker.


Great stuff Caps!! I hope they are researching Natalees case! I know that Tromp is still missing without a trace in Aruba also..Is he still missing?
===========================================================
Jonathan45 at scrux  (I promise to quit reading around...lol...):


   
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject:   
The real update

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.
I don't know if if it's one of Natalees shin-bones, but it is a human bone.

To solve the missing of Natalee Holloway the ALE needs only a cadaver dog.

Today I will seal my lips too.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=611&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=225
Just maybe Jonathan45's friend turned this bone over to the authorities and now Caps is saying that the ALE has a new cadaver dog.....coincidence or what.... ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 12:24:52 AM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)



 


Thanks for the News Caps!! It's difficult to expect a huge break at this stage of the nightmare but I am happy to see something happening. Very intriguing to hear about the CSI and chaining off the pond!

Another scandal eh? Didnt they have the two biggest scandals ever just last year? Amazing that Rudy,Briesen and others have been able to keep there noses clean in all this. I find it laughable that they think they are the standard for the rest of the Carribean..lol I really think the Aruban people and the rest of the Carribean can only shake there heads! I see they also sent in the lawyer Paul Van Der Sloot to help in mediations for the indexing(Protests)  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 12:29:40 AM
Here is another good findings.

FACT the first person arrested was Bulo and he was the boyfriend of the early week.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 12:34:47 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 12:37:41 AM
Here is another good findings.

FACT the first person arrested was Bulo and he was the boyfriend of the early week.

Huh? Iv'e never heard that before,but it wouldn't suprise me at all if true. They easily could of found out who she had lunch with by the security video and witnesses(Staff). Obviously he wasn't as easy of a target to frame like the two black security guards  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 12:44:08 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).



No clue Caps but I must tell you that Virginia Oneal Page was a very watched topic by Arubans/Dutch when they searched Jorans house in 2007.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2008, 12:46:26 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I think it may be likely that more than one of them had been there before.  I've read that Virginia Page had been there before; and recently heard of another whose family had a time share there.  Don't recall her name at the moment, but I'll look for it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 12:46:57 AM
Today withness talk to lawyer to see what is the hold-up, lawyer state every thing is OK and group are working on the case. Large dutch CSI. (case is under the microscope---but no american involvment is a bit strange.)

After deliberating with withness on this, we conclude 3 things that might come out of this.

The case will break wide open and all players will be found or they came in secret now that the water has gone to do a forensic and find Natalee remains or cleanup what they could not cleanup in 3 years and say "se la vi" to the case

MOS seems to go for option-1 but like I said, he still have to fight a Dirtyhand in his Office / organization.

Latest is that OM is now in hot water since they also have somehow exceed the 2001 till 2005 budged (OVER SPEND), also no one was watching the money that they were collecting from big fines and other confiscated moneys. The is a problem (hot scandal comming out soon from this office.)



 


Thanks for the News Caps!! It's difficult to expect a huge break at this stage of the nightmare but I am happy to see something happening. Very intriguing to hear about the CSI and chaining off the pond!

Another scandal eh? Didnt they have the two biggest scandals ever just last year? Amazing that Rudy,Briesen and others have been able to keep there noses clean in all this. I find it laughable that they think they are the standard for the rest of the Carribean..lol I really think the Aruban people and the rest of the Carribean can only shake there heads! I see they also sent in the lawyer Paul Van Der Sloot to help in mediations for the indexing(Protests)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

it like the thiel comercial in Aruba

Number one in Blocks
Number one in Special Block

Aruba commercial.

Number one in Car accident daily
Number one in Crimes daily
Number one in Government Scandal (weekly)
Number one in Corruption
Number one in High gas prices per liter (Number two world wide)
etc.

Some one has email me this poster and I do understand it NOW. LOL





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 12:53:36 AM
I noticed at Hollowaycase.com he put up all the yearbook photos of the MB kiids and has a page titled girls who resemble Natalee with all there pictures.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2008, 12:57:01 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I think it may be likely that more than one of them had been there before.  I've read that Virginia Page had been there before; and recently heard of another whose family had a time share there.  Don't recall her name at the moment, but I'll look for it.
Haley Uncapher stayed behind when the other students flew home.  She and her mother were shown on MSM searching for Natalee.  I've read that they had a time share there.  I think it's a good possibility that she had been there before, and also looks similar to Natalee.  I don't know for a FACT that she'd been there before. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 12:59:39 AM

(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/738/index1rs0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Oh my lord that is hilarious!! That is also the biggest image I have ever seen..  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 06, 2008, 01:07:28 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I think it may be likely that more than one of them had been there before.  I've read that Virginia Page had been there before; and recently heard of another whose family had a time share there.  Don't recall her name at the moment, but I'll look for it.


Now two years before 2005 this girls was in Aruba, and she knew Bulo already. now she came to aruba and she spend the first part of the week with Bulo, on the night in C&C she was with Bulo entering and exiting the place several times. At closing time she knew them already and thats why she jumped in the car with them.

Now lets look at this of what I got from my investigation in talking to people that are frequent C&C. on the night in question.

You see I am missing a person which is the duppleganger of Natalee. In all the duppleganger some one dies but it is the wrong person.

I was thinking that at the night in question, either Natalee and her Double must have met.

I Page flew 2 day earlier, than she is not there. that leaves me with someone else.

who?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 01:08:02 AM
Gas prices in Venezuela is .12 cents a gallon cheapest in the world. Gas prices 20 miles away in Aruba $12 a gallon!!  ::MonkeyEek:: Unbelievable!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Altruist on May 06, 2008, 02:46:25 AM
I believe that it was Thailand where the pedaphile who had fantasies about Jon Bonet Ramsay was extradited from, was his name Carr?,  Mark Carr? 

Thailand appears to honor extradition requests from the USA but think the Federal Administration will have to be a different one from current before we can hope for any movement, hope I am wrong.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 04:32:49 AM
I guess I am about to answer my own question. LOL


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Quote from: vms on April 22, 2008, 02:36:21 PM
Thank you, Caps.  Very Happy

VMS:

The killer imust be an offspring of the following



Solognier   Francisco R                 9/20/1929   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Old man
Croes   Juan E                              8/8/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  Died in 2007 Grand PAPA
Croes, geb. Solognier   Elsa   10/29/1938   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  old man WIFE
Croes   Dionisio E                           12/12/1966   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  SON
Croes   Rosangela E               6/29/1979   Aruba   Seroe Pita 16A  DUAGHTER

Now from the SON or DUGHTER the primate must be. the primate is a cousin


 
Now llok at the Political Implication,

These people are from the AVP party and not the Oduber Cabinet. and thats why both parties are talking with fork tongs. That means that there is someone from the MEP party involved.

There are two Casique of Macuarima:
the old man that Died in 2007 from the AVP party
and the new one is Robert Maduro from the MEP party.
Both are in corruption in some form. Both claim to be working on the Status Aparte. Seeing this, I can be certain that when they procecuted the Henny Eman ex prime minister, for fraudulent charges in his cabinet it looks like a slap on the hand that they got.

The Whispers that was calling from Holland = Mito Croes


LaLa's,

I am lost as usual, reading CAPS posts. 
However, I was looking up something and found some info about the Aruban Jewish population and a Maduro connection.  This made me think about the photo Kermit posted several pages back that had a car in front of a building and a large star of David.  Probably nothing at all, but here is one place that I was looking at: http://www.ujcl.org/aruba/

Also, I remember reading about a birthday being celebrated for an elderly gentleman (in his 90's) who I believe was a Cuban native.  I do not remember his name, but he was connected with the hotel business and for some reason he has stayed in my memory.  This was back in 2006.  I don't think he is connected in any way, but this post by CAPS brought him to my mind again.

CHATA



Hi Chata....This was the connection I was thinking of last night with Maduro. Ran across it while checking out Rosalie Klein. Still am wondering if partyboy is her son...not that many peeps on Aruba with that last name.

Follow the Star...The Star of David...something about where the crossroads meet....from the photo in the link below the Synagogue appears to be on a corner and there is a star on the door.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/syncarib.html

Does anyone remember the pic of Freddy at Moombas that Blonde posted for me in the last thread?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 06, 2008, 04:47:57 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I do recall reading that one of the girls family owned a timeshare......maybe a Monkey with better memory could help me out here? She would obviously have had to have been there prior.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 05:12:00 AM
SS...Thanks....re the noble son of the sun breaking through...

Antigua and Barbuda...capital Saint John's....

http://www.theodora.com/maps/antigua_and_barbuda_map.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 05:29:47 AM
Here is another good findings.

FACT the first person arrested was Bulo and he was the boyfriend of the early week.





Only read through once, but I have no idea who Bulo is?  Help!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 06:00:17 AM
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/632000-632999/632092_2_full.jpg)

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/632092

Notice the STAR



What type of car is this please?   TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 06, 2008, 08:02:23 AM
Hi Mum
Fairly certain this is a Toyota Camry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:03:48 AM
Hotping...not sure if you found Freddy's DOB...September 27th. 1984...says Maracairbo Venezuela...new nickname...'foreigner'!

Not sure what happened to 'locoman' and 'fefi' the poodle!

Keep thinking of Melody's post that said Freddy was going to see his Dad that was dying, as he hadn't seen him with all this going on. She put a smiley at the end and IIRC it was scuba who told Melody right after that post to email her!

Reports were he was released quietly out the back door and that he was leaving the island. None of this makes any sense in relation to the pics posted from 2007 in Aruba and what we know of Freddy Zedan!

And where are Freddy Zedan's statements from August 2005? Freddy this, Freddy that all over the PVs and Joran's book.

And what is up with Ernesto disappearing off of the face of the Southbeach nightlife...

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P04000088215&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=BRAINWORKS&names_filing_type=

Could some-one help me with the Ernesto Arambatzis and the Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis name thing, please? Are they only half brothers? Wouldn't freddy's dad be Zedan. Ernesto said he was from Porlamar...Freddy from Maracairbo...some things are not adding up!

Is Ernesto the gay connection! Was he in Aruba that weekend?

Apologies in advance to Lala's...really don't mean to give you a headache! LOL



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:08:08 AM
Hi Mum
Fairly certain this is a Toyota Camry.

Hi Tib...wrong path again....nice car though!

I thought it was the one from the link...trying to track that fellow and his house down!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:23:37 AM
Jacinto Rasmijn...not in the phone book...not sure why he needs all these email addresses, but Wiki said he doesn't have to live in Somoa to use their code!


http://www.arubaisland.ws/page4.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ws


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 08:25:19 AM
Freddy Zedan
Browse: Members
Freddy Zedan

    * 23-year-old
    * Birthday: September 27

http://www.reunion.com/freddyzedan20244


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tibrogargan on May 06, 2008, 08:25:48 AM
They are nice cars   ::MonkeyCool::

They did not change models very often as why alter something that works well but the model's body details are different in US to Australia some years but these look very close :

http://www.automart.com/browse-cars/t/toyota/camry/2000/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 06, 2008, 08:42:13 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I think it may be likely that more than one of them had been there before.  I've read that Virginia Page had been there before; and recently heard of another whose family had a time share there.  Don't recall her name at the moment, but I'll look for it.
Haley Uncapher stayed behind when the other students flew home.  She and her mother were shown on MSM searching for Natalee.  I've read that they had a time share there.  I think it's a good possibility that she had been there before, and also looks similar to Natalee.  I don't know for a FACT that she'd been there before. 

BB......txmom posted her.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 06, 2008, 08:42:56 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).


Didn't one of the girls from MB family own a time share in Aruba?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 06, 2008, 08:52:14 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I think it may be likely that more than one of them had been there before.  I've read that Virginia Page had been there before; and recently heard of another whose family had a time share there.  Don't recall her name at the moment, but I'll look for it.
Haley Uncapher stayed behind when the other students flew home.  She and her mother were shown on MSM searching for Natalee.  I've read that they had a time share there.  I think it's a good possibility that she had been there before, and also looks similar to Natalee.  I don't know for a FACT that she'd been there before. 


bump

Haleigh Nicole Uncapher


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:52:42 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).


Didn't one of the girls from MB family own a time share in Aruba?


Good morning Blonde...I think it was agreed that it was Haley Uncapher...she is the one that stayed to help with the search.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:55:43 AM
Good morning vms, Nut and SS...i should have checked the spelling!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 08:57:59 AM
Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.




CAPS - You're help has been so great.  Thank you, thank you, thank you.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 06, 2008, 09:04:39 AM
Good morning vms, Nut and SS...i should have checked the spelling!
Good Morning, Mum.

I've seen it spelled both ways but I believe Haleigh is the correct way...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 09:19:47 AM
sorry if this has been discussed... I'm way back here somewhere.

The Simian does not know how the salina got filled.

Natalee was buried in the salt pond and the pond was filled over. Now someone has uncovered this and is looking under the pond... probably why the crew of the Persistence did not see anything in the pond floor or floating around.

The shoes are in the pond.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 09:21:55 AM
sorry if this has been discussed... I'm way back here somewhere.

The Simian does not know how the salina got filled.

Natalee was buried in the salt pond and the pond was filled over. Now someone has uncovered this and is looking under the pond... probably why the crew of the Persistence did not see anything in the pond floor or floating around.

The shoes are in the pond.

correction - shoe - singular.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 09:32:08 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 09:46:38 AM
question?

which one of the girls came to aruba before 2005. (I mean those that where in the group).




I do recall reading that one of the girls family owned a timeshare......maybe a Monkey with better memory could help me out here? She would obviously have had to have been there prior.


Actually, several of those kids parents owned timeshares...it wasn't just the girls...there were guys along on that trip also.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 09:47:50 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 09:50:58 AM
Good morning Lala's...so Haleigh Uncapher may not be the correct answer...

Rob...any idea where Mirian's Star where the dead-ends meet could be? TIA

LOL...I thought I was the only one who didn't know who Bulo was...no-one asked last night!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 09:57:21 AM
Good morning Lala's...so Haleigh Uncapher may not be the correct answer...

Rob...any idea where Mirian's Star where the dead-ends meet could be? TIA

LOL...I thought I was the only one who didn't know who Bulo was...no-one asked last night!

Let's just say she is not the only one that was on that trip that owned a timeshare...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 10:02:26 AM
Good morning Lala's...so Haleigh Uncapher may not be the correct answer...

Rob...any idea where Mirian's Star where the dead-ends meet could be? TIA

LOL...I thought I was the only one who didn't know who Bulo was...no-one asked last night!



I have absolutely no clue who Bulo is.   ::MonkeyConfused::  I think CAPS said that the star was on a building by the Hindu restaurant that was near the Matty Apartments across from the White House that wasn't the Brickell Bay where several roads deadend across from the pond.  Did you get that?   ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think there was a photograph of the star on the restaurant, but it's been several weeks ago and we don't have Klaas to help us find it.  Who is this Bulo guy and how does his arrest as the first person affect who #5 is?  I never even thought that some of these girls could have been to Aruba before and might have known people before they got there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 10:05:59 AM
Caps
Please don't just mention a name and not give any information that backs up what you say...the monkeys can check all this stuff out...but you have to let us help. 

WHO IS BULO?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:06:21 AM
Good morning Lala's...so Haleigh Uncapher may not be the correct answer...

Rob...any idea where Mirian's Star where the dead-ends meet could be? TIA

LOL...I thought I was the only one who didn't know who Bulo was...no-one asked last night!

Let's just say she is not the only one that was on that trip that owned a timeshare...

Thanks Lala's....edit....LOL...not going there again!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:11:20 AM
Caps
Please don't just mention a name and not give any information that backs up what you say...the monkeys can check all this stuff out...but you have to let us help. 

WHO IS BULO?


LOL...a few hours back I found a Bulo from Arabu...but he had a Mercedes...wrong path...

SS...you have lost me as I have no clue how Caps arrived at the Matty apartments or the Indo...or even who owns the Indo anymore...I think we found Stars at two other apartments, way back in the first thread and at that time Caps said it was one of those!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:12:57 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:15:01 AM
Good morning Lala's...so Haleigh Uncapher may not be the correct answer...

Rob...any idea where Mirian's Star where the dead-ends meet could be? TIA

LOL...I thought I was the only one who didn't know who Bulo was...no-one asked last night!

I know the Northern end of the island pretty well, but do not think I know what that would be. It's probably something right in front of our faces.

I saw Kermit had an idea and there have been others that have found stars.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:17:10 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 10:17:28 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 10:18:55 AM
Could you fill a pond if you needed to build a structure on top of it?  You know, with dirt and such?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:19:17 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..


Rob...I am not even sure which pond they are talking about! I don't think it is Moko, from what Caps posted a while ago and from what OE posted????

I am not sure the shin bone post is referring to Moko either, as I am not sure just how far the other pond is from Joran's...

I think there is a map in the first thread!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
 The biggest fraud trial in the history of the Netherlands Antilles began this past Monday.  The court is reserving the month of November to hear this case.  Based on the planned court schedule, the verdict is expected December 18th. Among the 18 suspects there is one former Minister (Ensley Bulo, FOL) and five former-commissioners (FOL-advisor Nelson Monte, FOL leader and shadow Prime Minister, Anthony Godett, PAR's David Dick and the PNP's Ramon Chong and Hendriks Abraham). In addition, two companies (De Antillen NV and the Papa Godett Institute), a few government employees (including former Post NV director Hedwig Komproe) and two contractors (Cees Lutgendorff and Eugene Middelhof) will also be prosecuted.

http://bonairereporter.com/news/2003issues/11-07-03/page2.htm

this seems to be Bonaire


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:22:43 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:22:46 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.

I don't trust anyone either... how can we? They have done nothing, in my opinion, to garner any trust.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:24:13 AM
star = rats

just saying


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:25:04 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.


Lala's...this is not Moko, is it? Is this Monserrat? thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 06, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
Could you fill a pond if you needed to build a structure on top of it?  You know, with dirt and such?

I was thinking the pond was flooded, but it could have been filled in with dirt or sand... good thinking.

The area where the Ritz was going to be situated was across the street from the Marriott pond, maybe that pond was filled in???

I have no idea and I'm just guessing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:27:33 AM
Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14? ::MonkeyConfused::

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.

I don't trust anyone either... how can we? They have done nothing, in my opinion, to garner any trust.


Thinking of the crab cage now....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 10:30:38 AM
Caps
Please don't just mention a name and not give any information that backs up what you say...the monkeys can check all this stuff out...but you have to let us help. 

WHO IS BULO?


LOL...a few hours back I found a Bulo from Arabu...but he had a Mercedes...wrong path...

SS...you have lost me as I have no clue how Caps arrived at the Matty apartments or the Indo...or even who owns the Indo anymore...I think we found Stars at two other apartments, way back in the first thread and at that time Caps said it was one of those!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi,  we had some pictures of the Indus with the star.  CAPS said that you had to drive around in the back to get to the apartments.  I think that Dave had actually been here in the very beginning of the search.  He said that the apartment was probably #6.  He also showed us a map.  These apartments are kind of located across from the pond at Manserat and the pond is behind something that looks like a shopping center.  I kept asking if anyone had access to an inflatable boat or a small fishing boat that could be launched in the dark at this pond.  Persistence did check this pond right before they left the island.  There are pictures of Tim and John in a little boat with their equipment, but the are back on the other threads.  CAPS told us that he had turned all of his information over the TES, Dave and Beth, and the FBI.

I found someone named Ensley Bulo who was a Minister of Transportation and Communication on Bonaire.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:31:21 AM
Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:37:03 AM
Caps
Please don't just mention a name and not give any information that backs up what you say...the monkeys can check all this stuff out...but you have to let us help. 

WHO IS BULO?


LOL...a few hours back I found a Bulo from Arabu...but he had a Mercedes...wrong path...

SS...you have lost me as I have no clue how Caps arrived at the Matty apartments or the Indo...or even who owns the Indo anymore...I think we found Stars at two other apartments, way back in the first thread and at that time Caps said it was one of those!

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Hi,  we had some pictures of the Indus with the star.  CAPS said that you had to drive around in the back to get to the apartments.  I think that Dave had actually been here in the very beginning of the search.  He said that the apartment was probably #6.  He also showed us a map.  These apartments are kind of located across from the pond at Manserat and the pond is behind something that looks like a shopping center.  I kept asking if anyone had access to an inflatable boat or a small fishing boat that could be launched in the dark at this pond.  Persistence did check this pond right before they left the island.  There are pictures of Tim and John in a little boat with their equipment, but the are back on the other threads.  CAPS told us that he had turned all of his information over the TES, Dave and Beth, and the FBI.

I found someone named Ensley Bulo who was a Minister of Transportation and Communication on Bonaire.


I remember the pics and the pond...

I would love to know if that Synagogue is where the dead-end meet...maybe then I could put that pic of Freddy right out of my head...

Lala's...you don't think those are sunglasses on his head in that pic do you?

Just wondering after the one of him in the alb was posted the other day!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.





The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door? 


Afirmative (YES)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 10:54:30 AM
There is a photograph of the site, from the air, on page 6 of this thread.


 Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #105 on: April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM » Quote 

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The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

 

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.





The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door? 


Afirmative (YES)


SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 11:05:13 AM
Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...

Okay.  Let me clarify this...I suppose it is free for discussion now that Caps has sort of told us all about it so here goes....the pond in question is the Monsterat pond...this is the same pond that was surveyed by the Persistence crew before they left.  It is probably not very deep...maybe 20 feet at the deep end.  Seems that Caps said the area was blocked off now and no one could get in there....wonder when they did that? A gate would have to be erected along with a fence surrounding it.  I think you can drive up to it in various locations...so it would take some work to seal it off...that is my opinion only. 

Keep in mind that just because the ALE has sealed this area off it is still near the soccer field area...yes...Mum the target area from the predator map and a very convenient location for Joran to walk back to the Mc Donalds.  If it is true, as Caps has said, that there is a forensics team in Aruba it would be interesting to know if they are going to look at anything in that area or did the owners of the Lekker restaurant that borders that area just decide they wanted to seal it off. 

What was found on the survey made by the Persistence team would have to be given to the ALE should there be any reason to search said area...so as I am skeptical that Aruba or the Dutch will do anything other than leave it sealed off for all eternity...I wait to see what they do...I have lost most all my hope for a resolution in this case.

Let's say they find something...a shoe or clothes or even human remains....how will we know?  I don't think anyone would ever know since we are still dealing with the same group of people as before.  My opinion for what it's worth...also remember this about me...I am stupid by Dutch standards so don't take anything I say as fact.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 11:06:09 AM
Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...

Yes, would you like for me to find that map again? I think I know where it is.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
Somewhere in the beginning of this thread there are pictures of TES in a very small boat, scanning the pond.

All these Ministers have dirty secrets.

E.G. Rudy Croes likes to go to Montana Aprt 101, not to far from Joran house and hide his USV behinde the building and so to spend the night with this Colombian Girls. He do forget sometimes how many permit does he give to these chineese business people who hire only colombians bar mate in exchange for cases of Heineken and sexual favors. There is so dirt that even after presure wash it still will not come off.

R.C Job before Minister of Justice was an Laboratory analys of feases. How in the world do you have the expertise to know the legal system of Holland and the world. his capacity is zero. he can not managed on their own and thats why they need so many advisors to help him think. it is an island with 110.000 inhabitant and not 100 million and they can not even managed the small size. go wonder.

Now for Booshi Wever. The man that falsificate his Degree to get a Job in the government and them when he was working in his position applied for government grand to go get the real degree.
The man that go to Venezuela and bought himself a strip join and where he was arrested for drug traficing, he paid his way out the problem with drug money. He forgot that as Healt Minister at least the person in charge should be a person in the medical profession and with a Valid Degree to understant the issues at hand. Watch the news these days of the big scandal comming down in the Money laundring in the Healt system. USA allready arrested Miakito Farro who is accused of money laundring in the Labroratory of the government. Today there the AZV is claiming that the laboratory still own them 7.2 million that was supposed to be paid in 2006 now is 2008 and there is no invoices passed from the Laboratory to be paid to the AZV Insurance company. As shango would say follow the music. to much to mention

TBC.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 11:12:11 AM
Thanks Lala's for the explanation on the pond. We still don't know if this was the pond that the shin bone post is referring to though. There may not even be a shin bone!

I remember the map very clearly...you don't need to fetch it!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 11:16:55 AM
Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...

Yes, would you like for me to find that map again? I think I know where it is.


CAPS posted a map on page 6 of this thread.  Everything is identified including the apartments and the pond.  We were aksing CAPS about TES returning to further explore the pond.  I think it was ******* who mentioned that it was the first task on their to do list.  I'm not sure where the picture of the TES boat on the pond came from.  OceanExplorer also confirmed that the team had scanned this pond.  He said that it was hot and the work was very hard.  He commented about the boat being small and the men being very large.  To me, learning about this pond was really huge.  I guess it kind of didn't stick with everyone else.  I also tracked down that Steve Croes owns a Zodiak and Renfro's water sports company has Wave Rhinos that would deflate and fit perfectly in the back of Lorenzo's van.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 11:18:22 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.





The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door? 


Afirmative (YES)


SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

I am still lost as to who really owns the Indo...the Kalpoes or someone else...now I am curious about Bulo...I don't think old Bulo that Rob found would be the boyfriend either...does not compute...what does compute is that there is a younger man out there that met Natalee and she was slightly infatuated with him...such as Freddy, Lorenzo, Guido, GVC, and I could go on and on...then also there is Paulus...What about Paulus?  What about the Kalpoes?  What about the Ritz-Carlton story?  We need answers...I too have asked more questions and got less answers...each answer must come in order for there to be any truth...it is demanded of me and of many others. I want to know about this lawyer that Caps said looks like Satish...is he a relative?  I want to know about the Freddy story that his name is an alias or something like that.  I have tons of questions and no answers...my frustration is showing...I need to get some food...I am hungry.   Does everyone on that island have a twin?  Does everyone have multiple names that are all the same?  How many "cool and crazy guys are there?  How many locoman pimps?  Who is Duektohm?  How many dirty hands are there?  Where was this party and other than Shango what proof?  Shango is a poster that most likely spent a great deal of time feeding false info to everyone...and now that we are almost certain who Simian was....who was his source?  Why did he feed us false info too?  Is every single person that ever posted from Aruba part of the cover up?  Can this be as big as some think?  There are so many questions and there are no answers and no one but me seems to care that there is never any clarification of the details....I give up trying to do any good...I am too frustrated to continue any longer.  I have said it would take a miracle for Natalee to be found and the guilty to be punished...maybe I should be praying harder...I don't know any more.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tess LaCoyle on May 06, 2008, 11:21:32 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC

Hope this isn't a duplicate, but I seem to have lost my earlier reply to the question of Bulo's name.  In a quick search, I did find this post with an obvious connection.  However, if this is Caps' Bulo, it's curious indeed that one of the security guards would be considered the "boyfriend" from "earlier in the week" and my question would be "Whose boyfriend???"  Anyway, here's the post I found:


reply posted on 14-6-2005 @ 06:25 AM by TheBandit795

Allright!!! They've freed Maka & Bulo!!! (Those are their nicknames)

www.cnn.com...

Btw... I personally haven't seen it, but I've heard that Bill O'Reilly has spread lots of blatant lies about Aruba. (Slavery for prostitution, big drug base etc...) All blatant lies. More reason to ignore Fox News...


The above post is about half-way down at this link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4)

Guess we'll have to wait for Caps to clear up the mystery of Bulo's identity.....

My best to all of you.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 11:32:46 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC

Hope this isn't a duplicate, but I seem to have lost my earlier reply to the question of Bulo's name.  In a quick search, I did find this post with an obvious connection.  However, if this is Caps' Bulo, it's curious indeed that one of the security guards would be considered the "boyfriend" from "earlier in the week" and my question would be "Whose boyfriend???"  Anyway, here's the post I found:


reply posted on 14-6-2005 @ 06:25 AM by TheBandit795

Allright!!! They've freed Maka & Bulo!!! (Those are their nicknames)

www.cnn.com...

Btw... I personally haven't seen it, but I've heard that Bill O'Reilly has spread lots of blatant lies about Aruba. (Slavery for prostitution, big drug base etc...) All blatant lies. More reason to ignore Fox News...


The above post is about half-way down at this link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4)

Guess we'll have to wait for Caps to clear up the mystery of Bulo's identity.....

My best to all of you.



They released the security guards on June 13.  So I guess that means that Mickey John could be Bulo?  Interesting thought anyway.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC

Hope this isn't a duplicate, but I seem to have lost my earlier reply to the question of Bulo's name.  In a quick search, I did find this post with an obvious connection.  However, if this is Caps' Bulo, it's curious indeed that one of the security guards would be considered the "boyfriend" from "earlier in the week" and my question would be "Whose boyfriend???"  Anyway, here's the post I found:


reply posted on 14-6-2005 @ 06:25 AM by TheBandit795

Allright!!! They've freed Maka & Bulo!!! (Those are their nicknames)

www.cnn.com...

Btw... I personally haven't seen it, but I've heard that Bill O'Reilly has spread lots of blatant lies about Aruba. (Slavery for prostitution, big drug base etc...) All blatant lies. More reason to ignore Fox News...


The above post is about half-way down at this link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4)

Guess we'll have to wait for Caps to clear up the mystery of Bulo's identity.....

My best to all of you.




Thanks Tess...very interesting...wonder which is which?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC

Hope this isn't a duplicate, but I seem to have lost my earlier reply to the question of Bulo's name.  In a quick search, I did find this post with an obvious connection.  However, if this is Caps' Bulo, it's curious indeed that one of the security guards would be considered the "boyfriend" from "earlier in the week" and my question would be "Whose boyfriend???"  Anyway, here's the post I found:


reply posted on 14-6-2005 @ 06:25 AM by TheBandit795

Allright!!! They've freed Maka & Bulo!!! (Those are their nicknames)

www.cnn.com...

Btw... I personally haven't seen it, but I've heard that Bill O'Reilly has spread lots of blatant lies about Aruba. (Slavery for prostitution, big drug base etc...) All blatant lies. More reason to ignore Fox News...


The above post is about half-way down at this link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4)

Guess we'll have to wait for Caps to clear up the mystery of Bulo's identity.....

My best to all of you.



They released the security guards on June 13.  So I guess that means that Mickey John could be Bulo?  Interesting thought anyway.


Some thought at one time that he could have been involved in some way. IIRC he did hang around the hotels.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
Now, Mum...would he really fit the criteria for the "boyfriend"?  Party at his house...etc? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 11:41:59 AM


SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
Where is Colombo anyway?  I have missed him lately...he's not been around to confuse me. LOL

Did you see the post about the Aru Bay videos on the NAH?   More dots to connect. ( Oops..I mean the NCD)  Sorry about that.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Where is Colombo anyway?  I have missed him lately...he's not been around to confuse me. LOL

Did you see the post about the Aru Bay videos on the NAH?   More dots to connect. ( Oops..I mean the NCD)  Sorry about that.

Yes I did...dots, specks, but the house was dusted...

Just a thought…seeing the pimps all had nics and these were asked about in the PVs…

Is this why the SGs were arrested? Did they get the wrong Bulo?

If they wanted to pin it on a SG named Bulo, they easily could have! They had them in jail.

Maybe it is time to make a list of knicknames and see who is missing one!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 12:01:17 PM
Who is Bulo?  Who is Dtkhm?  Who is Mito? How do they fit in to this?  Who owns the Indo?   Which apartment?  What happened to the Whiehouse ones that were near Joran's home?  What is Freddy's real name?  How does VP fit in with the kidnapping plot?  Who is behind the kidnapping plot?  Why does everyone have a doppleganger down there? Why did they arrest Guido?  Who is that in casino video if not Paulus? Which place did they take Natalee?  Who took her?  Joran?  Kalpoes?  Why is Rudy Croes in the middle of it all?  Was Loegese posts right on?  Was there enough time to take Natalee to this place and then wait until they gave her back to Joran?  What vehicle was Paulus driving when he was seen at the McDonalds at 4 AM?  Where is the proof that Paulus made an ATM transaction that morning?  Why is van der Straaten no longer the DH?  How did that happen? Why should Ben King be considered a DH?  Who is the Arawak DH?  Where is Lorenzo?  Who is he anyway?  Which Lorenzo is he?  How many people actually live at 7A Catiri?  Why do so many places have so many different addresses?  That is the most messed up place on the planet. Yes, these questions brought to you by a stupid grannie that only speaks English. Sorry, frustrated today...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 12:02:29 PM
Where is Colombo anyway?  I have missed him lately...he's not been around to confuse me. LOL

Did you see the post about the Aru Bay videos on the NAH?   More dots to connect. ( Oops..I mean the NCD)  Sorry about that.

Yes I did...dots, specks, but the house was dusted...

Just a thought…seeing the pimps all had nics and these were asked about in the PVs…

Is this why the SGs were arrested? Did they get the wrong Bulo?

If they wanted to pin it on a SG named Bulo, they easily could have! They had them in jail.

Maybe it is time to make a list of knicknames and see who is missing one!




How will you know you have the right nickname to go with the right person? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 12:05:01 PM
LMAO! I think everyone has left us grannies in here to argue with each other.  (I know you are not a granny either, just joking.)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 12:15:03 PM
Who is Bulo?  Who is Dtkhm?  Who is Mito? How do they fit in to this?  Who owns the Indo?   Which apartment?  What happened to the Whiehouse ones that were near Joran's home?  What is Freddy's real name?  How does VP fit in with the kidnapping plot?  Who is behind the kidnapping plot?  Why does everyone have a doppleganger down there? Why did they arrest Guido?  Who is that in casino video if not Paulus? Which place did they take Natalee?  Who took her?  Joran?  Kalpoes?  Why is Rudy Croes in the middle of it all?  Was Loegese posts right on?  Was there enough time to take Natalee to this place and then wait until they gave her back to Joran?  What vehicle was Paulus driving when he was seen at the McDonalds at 4 AM?  Where is the proof that Paulus made an ATM transaction that morning?  Why is van der Straaten no longer the DH?  How did that happen? Why should Ben King be considered a DH?  Who is the Arawak DH?  Where is Lorenzo?  Who is he anyway?  Which Lorenzo is he?  How many people actually live at 7A Catiri?  Why do so many places have so many different addresses?  That is the most messed up place on the planet. Yes, these questions brought to you by a stupid grannie that only speaks English. Sorry, frustrated today...


Lots of questions there Lala's...did you ever get those 18 others answered?

I thought I found some-one the other day to fit the Arawak king...but now I am too confused to remember.

The dopplegangers...misinformation by Julia, Rosalie, Tito to name a few? Or maybe we have run into their driver's license scandal! The mixed up names...Lorenzo Wever etc.

I think Aruba has been playing a game and these bods were sent out to confuse. Mixed up names. And I still can't figure out how Guido Wever, the frumpy one was working in a casino! Didn't he still go to school? He was an intern at the Racquet Club, bet he knew the Santos boys, Sander, Koen and the Arends tennis kid really well! Joran, Freddy they all went to the Racquet Club...can't quite figure how the Kalpoes got in with that group.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 12:21:10 PM
Where is Colombo anyway?  I have missed him lately...he's not been around to confuse me. LOL

Did you see the post about the Aru Bay videos on the NAH?   More dots to connect. ( Oops..I mean the NCD)  Sorry about that.

Yes I did...dots, specks, but the house was dusted...

Just a thought…seeing the pimps all had nics and these were asked about in the PVs…

Is this why the SGs were arrested? Did they get the wrong Bulo?

If they wanted to pin it on a SG named Bulo, they easily could have! They had them in jail.

Maybe it is time to make a list of knicknames and see who is missing one!




How will you know you have the right nickname to go with the right person? 


Put them in a hat! May be more reliable than what we have now!

Wonder what Sander's and Val's are? Beto is only two letters shy of Bulo!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 12:31:24 PM
Where is Colombo anyway?  I have missed him lately...he's not been around to confuse me. LOL

Did you see the post about the Aru Bay videos on the NAH?   More dots to connect. ( Oops..I mean the NCD)  Sorry about that.

Yes I did...dots, specks, but the house was dusted...

Just a thought…seeing the pimps all had nics and these were asked about in the PVs…

Is this why the SGs were arrested? Did they get the wrong Bulo?

If they wanted to pin it on a SG named Bulo, they easily could have! They had them in jail.

Maybe it is time to make a list of knicknames and see who is missing one!




How will you know you have the right nickname to go with the right person? 


Put them in a hat! May be more reliable than what we have now!

Wonder what Sander's and Val's are? Beto is only two letters shy of Bulo!!!

Well wonderful...that brings Jaime in the equation now. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 12:37:47 PM
Where is Colombo anyway?  I have missed him lately...he's not been around to confuse me. LOL

Did you see the post about the Aru Bay videos on the NAH?   More dots to connect. ( Oops..I mean the NCD)  Sorry about that.

Yes I did...dots, specks, but the house was dusted...

Just a thought…seeing the pimps all had nics and these were asked about in the PVs…

Is this why the SGs were arrested? Did they get the wrong Bulo?

If they wanted to pin it on a SG named Bulo, they easily could have! They had them in jail.

Maybe it is time to make a list of knicknames and see who is missing one!




How will you know you have the right nickname to go with the right person? 


Put them in a hat! May be more reliable than what we have now!

Wonder what Sander's and Val's are? Beto is only two letters shy of Bulo!!!

Well wonderful...that brings Jaime in the equation now. 

Always had that window a little open...No Freddy and no Jaime on that Saturday and Sunday night! But Luis and Joshua were there on Sunday night, at the HI and C&Cs.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 12:39:49 PM
Tyler...Nice to see you...You have been missed.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 01:49:48 PM
I am going to ask again....WHO IS BULO?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 06, 2008, 03:13:41 PM
CapsLockWizard wrote;

Quote
SNIP
Now two years before 2005 this girls was in Aruba, and she knew Bulo already. now she came to aruba and she spend the first part of the week with Bulo, on the night in C&C she was with Bulo entering and exiting the place several times.

My guess is if Bulo was known ,and possiubly hanging around (at C+C's) in 2003 then he was probably older than many of the the PIMPS. That limits the possibility to SC, Jaime, Lorenzo....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 03:16:14 PM


SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





You asked how CAPS came up with the Matty Apartments and  I simply brought his posts forward in the thread.  I don't assume that everything that CAPS has told us is absolutely correct.  I, too, have many questions such as the parents of Steve Croes, whether Hendrick is Rudy's brother or uncle, a second Alabama girl involved, and who is Giovanni Solognier.  I do know that CAPS seems to have a lot of information that we don't have and I am more than willing to listen.  He has certainly given us a lot of new information the past few months and I for one, appreciate that.  I don't know if all of the information is factual.  I know that a lot of the previous information that we do have references and quotes for has unfortunately turned out to be disinformation.  Time will tell.  Many times we are finding ourselves back at square one as we learn new information.  I am personally very interested in the pond for several reasons.  It is near a location that has been pinpointed since Beth and Dave first arrived on Aruba, there have been many references to it from our cryptic guests, TES was interested enough to scan the bottom of the pond, and now there seems to actually be some official investigative activity.  It's more than we have from any of our other information and resources right now, including Joran's confession and Patrick. I am willing to follow CAPS on this one.  He has had some very correct information like Daury Rodriguez's arrest.  It might be an absolute wild goose chase, in which case I will beat him with a banana.  I just have a gut feeling that there is something in that pond.  It might only be a size 14 sneaker, but it's a step in the right direction.  I have also thought that maybe CAPS can't divulge all of his sources of information.  It looks like he gets some of it from registries, libraries, and even local gossip.  He could very well be working for Renfro or AHATA and eventually we'll find out.  Right now, I guess that I'm just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Something is going on at that pond.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 06, 2008, 03:24:22 PM


SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





You asked how CAPS came up with the Matty Apartments and  I simply brought his posts forward in the thread.  I don't assume that everything that CAPS has told us is absolutely correct.  I, too, have many questions such as the parents of Steve Croes, whether Hendrick is Rudy's brother or uncle, a second Alabama girl involved, and who is Giovanni Solognier.  I do know that CAPS seems to have a lot of information that we don't have and I am more than willing to listen.  He has certainly given us a lot of new information the past few months and I for one, appreciate that.  I don't know if all of the information is factual.  I know that a lot of the previous information that we do have references and quotes for has unfortunately turned out to be disinformation.  Time will tell.  Many times we are finding ourselves back at square one as we learn new information.  I am personally very interested in the pond for several reasons.  It is near a location that has been pinpointed since Beth and Dave first arrived on Aruba, there have been many references to it from our cryptic guests, TES was interested enough to scan the bottom of the pond, and now there seems to actually be some official investigative activity.  It's more than we have from any of our other information and resources right now, including Joran's confession and Patrick. I am willing to follow CAPS on this one.  He has had some very correct information like Daury Rodriguez's arrest.  It might be an absolute wild goose chase, in which case I will beat him with a banana.  I just have a gut feeling that there is something in that pond.  It might only be a size 14 sneaker, but it's a step in the right direction.  I have also thought that maybe CAPS can't divulge all of his sources of information.  It looks like he gets some of it from registries, libraries, and even local gossip.  He could very well be working for Renfro or AHATA and eventually we'll find out.  Right now, I guess that I'm just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Something is going on at that pond.
I Totally Agree SS!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 06, 2008, 03:34:44 PM
 From Abraham Jones statement of 06/05/05. Does "Bolo"=Bulo?


On your question who I worked with on my shift, I answer you the following:
I work with the arubaan "J. MADURO" and the grenadaan "Mickey JOHN" nicknamed "Bolo". The three of us worked together on Monday, May 30, 2005.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 03:42:17 PM


SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





You asked how CAPS came up with the Matty Apartments and  I simply brought his posts forward in the thread.  I don't assume that everything that CAPS has told us is absolutely correct.  I, too, have many questions such as the parents of Steve Croes, whether Hendrick is Rudy's brother or uncle, a second Alabama girl involved, and who is Giovanni Solognier.  I do know that CAPS seems to have a lot of information that we don't have and I am more than willing to listen.  He has certainly given us a lot of new information the past few months and I for one, appreciate that.  I don't know if all of the information is factual.  I know that a lot of the previous information that we do have references and quotes for has unfortunately turned out to be disinformation.  Time will tell.  Many times we are finding ourselves back at square one as we learn new information.  I am personally very interested in the pond for several reasons.  It is near a location that has been pinpointed since Beth and Dave first arrived on Aruba, there have been many references to it from our cryptic guests, TES was interested enough to scan the bottom of the pond, and now there seems to actually be some official investigative activity.  It's more than we have from any of our other information and resources right now, including Joran's confession and Patrick. I am willing to follow CAPS on this one.  He has had some very correct information like Daury Rodriguez's arrest.  It might be an absolute wild goose chase, in which case I will beat him with a banana.  I just have a gut feeling that there is something in that pond.  It might only be a size 14 sneaker, but it's a step in the right direction.  I have also thought that maybe CAPS can't divulge all of his sources of information.  It looks like he gets some of it from registries, libraries, and even local gossip.  He could very well be working for Renfro or AHATA and eventually we'll find out.  Right now, I guess that I'm just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Something is going on at that pond.
I Totally Agree SS!  ::MonkeyCool::


Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps ::MonkeyWink::

 All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 06, 2008, 03:44:27 PM
From Benzworld.org.......

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w201-190e-d-class/1272652-fuel-guage-dance.html


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/Bulo.jpg)


Additional Information:

Vehicle:
190d w201 122

Location:
Aruba  

Interests:
Jogging  

Occupation:
Landsurveyor  

Instant Messaging:   spisnap@hotmail.com


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 03:48:38 PM
So now Mickey Johns is the boyfriend from earlier in the week...why am I shaking my head again?


This particular pond was never on the radar to either Beth or Dave...please everyone needs to check their facts.  That is why this pond seems to generate such interest.  it was never looked at or searched or even talked about before this. The pond that was the topic of conversation early on was the Moko pond and this one is not the same one.  This pond has never even been on the radar until recently.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
Just a coincidence that I ask about Mito Croes and then a week or so later he is a major player...and I won't even start on Vonk...King!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 03:58:53 PM
From Benzworld.org.......

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w201-190e-d-class/1272652-fuel-guage-dance.html


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/Bulo.jpg)


Additional Information:

Vehicle:
190d w201 122

Location:
Aruba  

Interests:
Jogging  

Occupation:
Landsurveyor  

Instant Messaging:   spisnap@hotmail.com


Thanks Pita...that's the one I found this morning....got busy and forgot to go back and get the link! Didn't check him out any further.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 06, 2008, 04:03:06 PM
Ok....I'll see if I can find anything else.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 04:04:44 PM
From Benzworld.org.......

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w201-190e-d-class/1272652-fuel-guage-dance.html


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/Bulo.jpg)


Additional Information:

Vehicle:
190d w201 122

Location:
Aruba  

Interests:
Jogging  

Occupation:
Landsurveyor  

Instant Messaging:   spisnap@hotmail.com

So who drives a Mercedes?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 04:17:05 PM
Ok....I'll see if I can find anything else.

LOL...I did look at some-one's wedding pics because they mentioned a Mercedes...But I bet there are not too many on the island!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 04:17:09 PM
Well there are a lot of Bulo's on google...a Russian one...Mexican...etc.  So much to sort through...feel like I am chasing my tail again. 


Caps needs to give us a real name with a real face this time. By what he has said about Bulo this would make him Simian's 5th suspect.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 04:17:28 PM


SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





You asked how CAPS came up with the Matty Apartments and  I simply brought his posts forward in the thread.  I don't assume that everything that CAPS has told us is absolutely correct.  I, too, have many questions such as the parents of Steve Croes, whether Hendrick is Rudy's brother or uncle, a second Alabama girl involved, and who is Giovanni Solognier.  I do know that CAPS seems to have a lot of information that we don't have and I am more than willing to listen.  He has certainly given us a lot of new information the past few months and I for one, appreciate that.  I don't know if all of the information is factual.  I know that a lot of the previous information that we do have references and quotes for has unfortunately turned out to be disinformation.  Time will tell.  Many times we are finding ourselves back at square one as we learn new information.  I am personally very interested in the pond for several reasons.  It is near a location that has been pinpointed  since Beth and Dave first arrived on Aruba, there have been many references to it from our cryptic guests, TES was interested enough to scan the bottom of the pond, and now there seems to actually be some official investigative activity.  It's more than we have from any of our other information and resources right now, including Joran's confession and Patrick. I am willing to follow CAPS on this one.  He has had some very correct information like Daury Rodriguez's arrest.  It might be an absolute wild goose chase, in which case I will beat him with a banana.  I just have a gut feeling that there is something in that pond.  It might only be a size 14 sneaker, but it's a step in the right direction.  I have also thought that maybe CAPS can't divulge all of his sources of information.  It looks like he gets some of it from registries, libraries, and even local gossip.  He could very well be working for Renfro or AHATA and eventually we'll find out.  Right now, I guess that I'm just willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Something is going on at that pond.
I Totally Agree SS!  ::MonkeyCool::



*Nobody said that the pond itself was previously searched.  I said that it was near a location that had been pinpointed since the beginning.*

I don't know why people are so down on CAPS.  I have questions about things that have come up.  I mentioned them above.  I am also not real sure about some of the party-goers that have been identified.  I don't know who CAPS is.  I understand that he did communicate with LaLa and Klaas.  He has at least revealed his identity. I don't know what his motivation is.  It could be personal, political, or he could be just trying to frustrate us.  He could be an Aruban who is just sick of the nonsense.  He has a theory just as we all do.  I don't agree with every theory on this forum and I'm sure that many don't agree with my theory.  At least CAPS has made an effort to actually present his theory to TES, Beth and Dave, and the FBI.  He could be completely off base, but at least he's been forthright.  He might not even have the answers to all of our questions, especially if he is getting his information from an informant.  This is probably why he has depended on us to do a lot of the research.  CAPS has always been completely respectful and considerate when working with us and that hasn't been true with some recent posters.  He is revealing a lot of information that could actually bring him a lot of problems on that island.  I'm willing to give him a chance.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 04:32:02 PM
SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 04:37:29 PM
SS
No one is down on Caps...I know his real name and I know a lot about him.  It is just not getting us any where by running around looking for things that simply do not fit.  Anything...and I mean anything can be made to fit into the Shango riddles.  If you take it out of context there is no need to make it work...you can just say it's so and let it be.  Apparently some think this forum is for fun and laughs...but I am not into that...if Shango was legit then what Shango says will fit one way and only one way.  You can't have it mean a million things and then expect any one to give credibility. 

Caps has had many...many theories of what he thinks Shango means...keep in mind it is all just theories until proven correct.  The pond issue is not the same...if this is a legitimate place that needs searching...and I for one believe it could be important...then other things should tie into this also.  If Steve Croes is Hendrick Croes, Jr.  then that is a big statement and it should be easily proven by anyone living in Aruba...if it  is true. Throwing a million names out and changing the plot of the story every week is not very good for credibility so I continue to ask questions that tend to irritate everyone concerning what anyone has said. 

Caps knows that I am going to ask what about Joran?  Has anyone besides me realized that Shango is the "anyone but Joran" mystery writer?  I bet Caps has...we have talked.  He claims a doppleganger for almost everyone...then who are they and why in the heck is that the case?  If this is a kidnapping gone bad and the wrong person was taken..that is big, big, big news...nothing Caps has told us is small in content...nothing...it is all blockbuster stuff that if we could get a handle on it and prove any of it beyond a reasonable doubt would possibly blow Aruba right out of the water. 

Caps knows that I will not take anything as fact without proof..that is why I will continue to ask the questions...not choosing to answer them does not help anything.  Don't get me wrong Caps has answered many of my questions...sometimes I ask a question that I already know the answer for.  Someone besides me needs to look at the big picture and realize that if any of this is true...it's big....BIG!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 06, 2008, 04:41:55 PM
FWIW

Bulo, according to babel fish means 'hoax' in Spanish.

Bolo, according to babel fish and papiamento translator means 'cake' in portuguese & pap.  Bolo, according to babel fish means 'skittle' in Spanish.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 06:12:17 PM
Caps

Is Bulo Mickey Johns?  Inquiring minds want to know...how did you come to that conclusion?  That would be an intriguing theory there for sure.  Posting his PV below for reference.

PROCES – VERBAAL

I, Clyde Anthony BURKE, sergeant first class, at the Korps Police Force Aruba and district II, explain the following at the section to multi-prevention crime classified.

On June 5, 2005 around 10:30 I, BURKE, interrogated as a suspect the man who gave his name as:

Antonios Mickey JOHN,

born in Greneda on September 25, 1974 of profession guard (A.S.I.S.) and living at the address Van Speykstraat xxxxxxx on Aruba.

Before the questioning, the suspect A.M. JOHN was notified that he was not obligated to speak.

The statement was given in English and translated by me, BURKE, into Dutch, has been put on record and sounds as follows:

Although I know that I am not obliged to speak, I am nevertheless prepared to give a statement. This the first time that I have come in contact with the police force and/or justice. I ended my guarding job on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 with the above company. The reason for this was that the contract that the company had for monitoring the “Allegro Hotel” had ended. I have worked since August 19, 2003 for this company.

On your question what is the color of the company uniform, I will answer you the following: The color is dark blue a trousers with a white vest.

On your question if it’s possible I wear a wind jacket with my uniform while working, I will answer you the following: I generally wear a black wind jacket if I have night duty.

On your question what shift (hours) I worked on the night May 29, 2005 up to May 30, 2005, I will answer you the following: Sunday May 29, 2005 I worked from 06.00 till 14.00, I remember this clearly because there was a festival on the beach of the “Holiday Inn Hotel” because of the Soul Beach Music Festival. On Monday May 30, 2005 I worked from 06.00 till 14.00. That same evening I worked from 23:00 to May 31, 2005 around 07:00.

On your question where I worked, I will answer you the following: I worked those days at the “Allegro Hotel”. On Monday I had day service and was a casino monitor. The night duty I monitored the outside.

On your question what I mean by the outside, I will answer you the following: Monitoring the outside to make sure no problems occur.

On your question if I go to other hotels when I am working, I will answer you the following: I sometimes walk to the “Radisson" and the "Holiday Inn hotel".

On your question when was the last time I was at the "Holiday Inn Hotel", I will answer you the following: On Sunday May 29, 2005 around 12.00 I went to the hotel for the celebration on the beach. I also went on Sunday May 29, 2005 at around 21.00.

On your question what I did there, I will answer you the following: I have a girlfriend who comes to Aruba from Boston. We met last year at the Allegro Hotel. Now that the Allegro Hotel is close, she stays somewhere in an apartment.

On your question if I can give you her full name, address, phone number and in which apartment she stayed, I will answer you the following: She is called, “J” from Boston. I do not know her address and phone number. I saw her on Sunday at the beach festival. We agreed that I would meet her in the evening hours at the "Holiday Inn" hotel. I didn’t remain there long because I had to work the next day. I didn’t see her again until Wednesday. I spoke with her and she said that nobody had seen the missing tourist.

On your question how I know what time I left, I will explain the following: I got there around 21:00 and left between 23:00 and 24:00. I don’t remember the exact time well. I do remember I had to leave because the next day I was asked to work.

On your question if I walked by the lobby of the hotel, I will explain to you the following: I walked by means of the sand because my car was parked between the “Allegro Hotel” and the “Hyatt Hotel”.

On your question what kind of car I drive, I will explain to you the following: I drive a red “Toyota Tercel”, license number x-xxxxx. The car is owned by my mother.

On your question if I spoke with anyone at the "Holiday Inn Hotel", I will answer you the following: I spoke only with “J” (girlfriend).

I can you explain that on Sunday were there young people at the bar. They were gone before I left. This was in "sport bar" of the hotel.

On your question if I spoke with any of them, I will answer you the following: I did not speak with any of them.

On your question if I have heard about the missing American tourist, I will answer you the following: I have heard about her.

On your question if I know or have seen the missing girl, I will answer you the following: I do not know her and I have also never seen her.

On your question if I know a man named M. CELAIRE, I will answer you the following: I know him by sight. Everyone that works as a guard at the hotels must know him or of him He commits many thefts in the hotels.

On your question when was the last time I saw “M” at the hotels, I will answer you the following: The last time I saw him was May 31, 2005 in the evening hours. I cannot remember how late it was.

On your question how he was dressed, I will answer you the following: He wore shorts, I cannot remember the color now and his upper body was bare.

On your question where I exactly saw him, I will answer you the following: I saw him in the vicinity of the Allegro. He was walking south in the direction of the “Raddison Hotel”. I must I did have a problem with “M” a long time ago. He once said to me that our guards sent the police force for him and that he would stab us. He had called me on my mobile telephone. I had found him hereafter during one of shifts and about this pointed out. I had him that we should talk right then if he had a problem and solve it then. He said to me that one of the guards that wore a black wind jacket sent the police force for him. I told him I was not the only guard that wears a black jacket.

On your question what I wore on Sunday when I went to the hotel, I will answer you the following:
I can remember I had on jean trousers. I cannot remember now if they are the same jean trousers that I now have on. (note interrogator: suspect A.M. JOHN has blue jean trousers of the make "No Fear")

On your question if I’ve seen anyone acting strangely in the vicinity of the hotels these last days, I will answer you the following: I have seen no one acting strangely in the vicinity of the hotels.

I have not kidnapped or have assassinated anybody. That I would never do. I know that tourism is important for Aruba and I would never do something to disadvantage this. It brings in money and also jobs. I have lived here 10 years already and have worked hard for my money. I know that at the "Holiday Inn Hotel" many of the so-called "beachbums" hang around and sleep there at night. You should question them.

A.M. JOHN

After I, BURKE, read the declaration to the suspect A.M. JOHN in English, I translated it and he agreed to sign it.

Of which by me, BURKE, on my oath of office made this proces verbaal, which has been signed and closed at Noord on June 5, 2005.

Signed,

C.A. BURKE


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 06, 2008, 07:36:46 PM
I usually try to keep up with what is being posted from work, peeking in when I can so I won't have so much to catch up on.  Today I finally stopped reading, the frustration was too much.  I understand perfectly who Caps says that Deutekom is, in my opinion it's obvious that Caps misunderstood what the list of judges was.  It only takes reading back to his posts to find that Caps has never said he was a judge!  I am convinced by my research that the man Caps refers to as the Super Dirty Hand does exist in the OM's office but there is very little information regarding him, and no ones found a picture yet.  Caps never said WHO Bulo was!  The tail chasing didn't just start in this thread and I'm sure it would still be ongoing if Caps had never joined us.  He has been here since December.  He has as much right as any of us to have an idea about what took place and then decide that maybe that's not what happened and research another possibility.  He shouldn't be expected to answer all questions asked of him, no one else does.  Frankly I don't care to constantly read how much more some here know than others when they have no intention of sharing the information here.  What does that accomplish?  In context or not, the Shango riddles could possibly be a bunch of disinformation put out there so some would chase their tails for eternity.  I am more interested in what actually goes on in Aruba, and if possible what was going on in Aruba in May of 2005.  I first came to this thread thinking that the riddles might have bits and pieces of information regarding that; not that they were by any means the absolute truth!  In my opinion someone who is actually there will come closer to finding that information than I will.  I enjoy Caps input, if I don't agree with something; I put it behind me and go on.  I believe that Caps wants to help solve the mystery.  He didn't come here with all the answers, just like the rest of us.  All of the negative rehashing and questioning of every single thing Caps says is just too much for me.  I don't believe it is fair to him or to everyone else that appreciates what he's brought to the forum.  I wish it would stop but I'm not going to ask anyone to do anything...I'm just going to take a break.  I think that's probably the best thing to do.  JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 06, 2008, 07:57:05 PM
I'm with Ya TM....Over in the Natalee thread they are talking about putting an ad in the Diario to get tips about the case.....when all along Caps is there....doing exactly that.....We all have to keep an open mind and connect the dots......Caps has given Us lots of dots to connect......not just the same old thing over and over.....Go Caps and Thanks for All You are doing to help find Natalee....

It is Not All about the riddles.....Although the riddles do hold some truth...JMO

I admire All the Monkeys that have been here for the last  3 yrs working to find Justice for Natalee.....but sometimes new leads come in and You have to think outside the box....Again JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:11:21 PM
Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says. Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 08:20:03 PM
This is a discussion forum and I appreciate Caps posts very much and I love his humor. He doesn't hold the answers and has several theories like we all do and I am here to support him in his efforts to find the truth. He doesn't respond to my questions sometimes and doesn't explain many things but it seems to coincide with this thread..LOL! English isn't his native language so sometimes he is misunderstood and he is a unique character to SM,to be honest I take his posts with a grain of salt as I do most of the speculation from all the theories and opinions.  I have no reason to question his posts and sometimes I even think Joran is not the one who killed Natalee. As you know the main theory is Joran did hurt Natalee and PVDS was called but I keep a open mind to other possibilities. There are lots of them as I can't rule out many suspicious people of being involved.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 06, 2008, 08:27:15 PM
When I can no longer question what is said in this forum then it is time for me to move on.  I have always asked questions...not because I disagree or don't believe but for clarification.  Most of the questions I ask I already either know or have a pretty good idea what the answer is before I ask it.  Often the reason I question something is because someone else has asked me about it.  If because I want to see how something fits in context or try to find a way to prove it is true then maybe I have been mistaken about this forum all along. Never my intention to come down on anyone here...all ideas are welcome, even the way out ones. The main reason I have been here for 3 years is because of Natalee and her family. 

Caps has brought us some interesting things to ponder and wonder about.  He has done what others have feared to do and that is get involved.  Caps knows that I have understandable trust issues with the Aruban people.  He and I have discussed this at length before.  I know Caps is a fine person and has brought us some information that if true would be very big in exposing that corruption and cover up we all suspect. He has never been anything but honest with me and I have maintained that confidence for a reason. If what I think is going to happen actually does then there will be many happy people here for a change.  Caps is to be credited with some good work. I never for one minute thought that my questioning his information would be taken as a negative toward him in any way. Caps knows where I stand and that is sufficient for me.  I am the one that encouraged everyone to give him a chance and to trust him...I still believe that is true given the present circumstances.

This thread is one of the most interesting and thought provoking ones around concerning theories and ideas on this case.  I will try to refrain from any more questions and just read and offer info where I can, but I do not wish to disrupt the flow here.  It has produced some interesting ideas. One of my pet peeves is not using facts to back up theories...I want to take these theories out of that realm and make something fit that really makes sense.  I see I can not do that and that is why I will be quiet now and just read.  I have a feeling that things are about to change and much of what some think will be proven true and maybe then this family will have the answers they deserve. It is true that no good deed goes unpunished.  Until then continue to tango with Shango.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 06, 2008, 08:33:41 PM
This is a discussion forum and I appreciate Caps posts very much and I love his humor. He doesn't hold the answers and has several theories like we all do and I am here to support him in his efforts to find the truth. He doesn't respond to my questions sometimes and doesn't explain many things but it seems to coincide with this thread..LOL! English isn't his native language so sometimes he is misunderstood and he is a unique character to SM,to be honest I take his posts with a grain of salt as I do most of the speculation from all the theories and opinions.  I have no reason to question his posts and sometimes I even think Joran is not the one who killed Natalee. As you know the main theory is Joran did hurt Natalee and PVDS was called but I keep a open mind to other possibilities. There are lots of them as I can't rule out many suspicious people of being involved.


*******…as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 06, 2008, 08:41:50 PM
Wow, I hate to see all the frustration in this thread,  :sad:

I wonder if Caps would have a problem if a separate thread was created in which questions could be posted to him when issues need clarifying regarding something he has posted? I think he may be missing some of our questions. Understandable too, IMO, as so many are asked of him...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 06, 2008, 08:45:18 PM


*******…as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.


I don't think it's just you as I have asked him questions also and been ignored..Sometimes I am ignored here anyway so I didn't think much of it..lol..Hopefully he will see your post and answer your questions. I apologize because I don't follow this thread as closely as many of you do,so I was just adding my thoughts on Mr.Caps :) It could be just part of his personality or is just asked alot of questions I don't know.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 06, 2008, 08:46:46 PM
VMS...I don't know about Anyone else but I think that is a very good idea.....  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 06, 2008, 08:51:57 PM
VMS...I don't know about Anyone else but I think that is a very good idea.....  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for weighing in, hotping. Maybe Caps will read and agree. :)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 09:06:40 PM
SS
No one is down on Caps...I know his real name and I know a lot about him.  It is just not getting us any where by running around looking for things that simply do not fit.  Anything...and I mean anything can be made to fit into the Shango riddles.  If you take it out of context there is no need to make it work...you can just say it's so and let it be.  Apparently some think this forum is for fun and laughs...but I am not into that...if Shango was legit then what Shango says will fit one way and only one way.  You can't have it mean a million things and then expect any one to give credibility. 

Caps has had many...many theories of what he thinks Shango means...keep in mind it is all just theories until proven correct.  The pond issue is not the same...if this is a legitimate place that needs searching...and I for one believe it could be important...then other things should tie into this also.  If Steve Croes is Hendrick Croes, Jr.  then that is a big statement and it should be easily proven by anyone living in Aruba...if it  is true. Throwing a million names out and changing the plot of the story every week is not very good for credibility so I continue to ask questions that tend to irritate everyone concerning what anyone has said. 

Caps knows that I am going to ask what about Joran?  Has anyone besides me realized that Shango is the "anyone but Joran" mystery writer?  I bet Caps has...we have talked.  He claims a doppleganger for almost everyone...then who are they and why in the heck is that the case?  If this is a kidnapping gone bad and the wrong person was taken..that is big, big, big news...nothing Caps has told us is small in content...nothing...it is all blockbuster stuff that if we could get a handle on it and prove any of it beyond a reasonable doubt would possibly blow Aruba right out of the water. 

Caps knows that I will not take anything as fact without proof..that is why I will continue to ask the questions...not choosing to answer them does not help anything.  Don't get me wrong Caps has answered many of my questions...sometimes I ask a question that I already know the answer for.  Someone besides me needs to look at the big picture and realize that if any of this is true...it's big....BIG!!


I am trying to objectively think back over the past few months and the posts that CAPS has made.  If I recall correctly, he started posting late last year and he was posting on the NAH thread.  At one point, around March, he started giving information that was shocking and it fit with the Shango riddles.  I think that Klaas asked him who he was and she suggested at that time for us to move over to the Shango thread.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 06, 2008, 09:28:06 PM
I hit the wrong key and the post posted before I was finished.  This is supposed to be with the above post.  Sorry.

Anyway, at that point CAPS told us briefly that he felt that he knew what happened to Natalee.  He explained that he had contacted Beth and Dave.  He also asked to communicate directly with LaLa and Klaas.  In hindsight, I don't think that CAPS came on here with the intent of solving the Shango/Simian riddles.  I have been under the impression that he came here to help expose information about what had happened to Natalee.  I also was under the impression that some or parts of his information had been passed to him through his own personal contacts.

I actually wonder if we were the ones who pushed CAPS into solving the Shango/Simian riddles.  He had already submitted what he felt to be the truth to the significant people involved in the case.  I don't think that he knew the story of Natalee's disappearance according to Shango, but rather from his own investigation or information.  For several months, I felt that CAPS was taking our research and fitting it into the Shango riddle.  Many times he would say that it did or didn't fit.  He has given us lots of information about the belly of Aruba. I don't think that CAPS knows some of the information in the Shango/Simian codes.  He had already given his information to Beth, the FBI, and TES weeks before he was helping us figure out who Shango, Simian. and Merian are.

Once we came up with the name Armin Solognier and the pond at Manserat (sp), CAPS revealed that he had already given his information and he said that the Simian/Shango codes also led to the same place that he had reported.  Read the words under his Avatar.  At this point, he shared with us that he been in contact with TES while they were on the island and that they had scanned the pond right before the Venezuela problem and TES's departure.  He explained that the pond was being watched until the strike started.

I don't think that CAPS has ever had all of the answers to Shango or Simian.  He had his own information.  We asked him to help with the codes.  I don't think that he came here to break these codes.  I think that he has been trying to help us.  He might be a shill and I could be completely wrong about him.  I just don't think that we're being fair to him at this point.  Personally, I think he has inside information that he is sharing that has nothing to do with Shango.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 07, 2008, 12:20:35 AM
I hit the wrong key and the post posted before I was finished.  This is supposed to be with the above post.  Sorry.

Anyway, at that point CAPS told us briefly that he felt that he knew what happened to Natalee.  He explained that he had contacted Beth and Dave.  He also asked to communicate directly with LaLa and Klaas.  In hindsight, I don't think that CAPS came on here with the intent of solving the Shango/Simian riddles.  I have been under the impression that he came here to help expose information about what had happened to Natalee.  I also was under the impression that some or parts of his information had been passed to him through his own personal contacts.

I actually wonder if we were the ones who pushed CAPS into solving the Shango/Simian riddles.  He had already submitted what he felt to be the truth to the significant people involved in the case.  I don't think that he knew the story of Natalee's disappearance according to Shango, but rather from his own investigation or information.  For several months, I felt that CAPS was taking our research and fitting it into the Shango riddle.  Many times he would say that it did or didn't fit.  He has given us lots of information about the belly of Aruba. I don't think that CAPS knows some of the information in the Shango/Simian codes.  He had already given his information to Beth, the FBI, and TES weeks before he was helping us figure out who Shango, Simian. and Merian are.

Once we came up with the name Armin Solognier and the pond at Manserat (sp), CAPS revealed that he had already given his information and he said that the Simian/Shango codes also led to the same place that he had reported.  Read the words under his Avatar.  At this point, he shared with us that he been in contact with TES while they were on the island and that they had scanned the pond right before the Venezuela problem and TES's departure.  He explained that the pond was being watched until the strike started.

I don't think that CAPS has ever had all of the answers to Shango or Simian.  He had his own information.  We asked him to help with the codes.  I don't think that he came here to break these codes.  I think that he has been trying to help us.  He might be a shill and I could be completely wrong about him.  I just don't think that we're being fair to him at this point.  Personally, I think he has inside information that he is sharing that has nothing to do with Shango.
SS...I agree... Caps is just like every other Monkey here He is trying to get Justice for Natalee...He has alot of resources and alot of theories just like alot of other Monkeys...Caps is a good guy and We need His help!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 07, 2008, 05:06:50 AM
SS
No one is down on Caps...I know his real name and I know a lot about him.  It is just not getting us any where by running around looking for things that simply do not fit.  Anything...and I mean anything can be made to fit into the Shango riddles.  If you take it out of context there is no need to make it work...you can just say it's so and let it be.  Apparently some think this forum is for fun and laughs...but I am not into that...if Shango was legit then what Shango says will fit one way and only one way.  You can't have it mean a million things and then expect any one to give credibility. 

Caps has had many...many theories of what he thinks Shango means...keep in mind it is all just theories until proven correct.  The pond issue is not the same...if this is a legitimate place that needs searching...and I for one believe it could be important...then other things should tie into this also.  If Steve Croes is Hendrick Croes, Jr.  then that is a big statement and it should be easily proven by anyone living in Aruba...if it  is true. Throwing a million names out and changing the plot of the story every week is not very good for credibility so I continue to ask questions that tend to irritate everyone concerning what anyone has said. 

Caps knows that I am going to ask what about Joran?  Has anyone besides me realized that Shango is the "anyone but Joran" mystery writer?  I bet Caps has...we have talked.  He claims a doppleganger for almost everyone...then who are they and why in the heck is that the case?  If this is a kidnapping gone bad and the wrong person was taken..that is big, big, big news...nothing Caps has told us is small in content...nothing...it is all blockbuster stuff that if we could get a handle on it and prove any of it beyond a reasonable doubt would possibly blow Aruba right out of the water. 

Caps knows that I will not take anything as fact without proof..that is why I will continue to ask the questions...not choosing to answer them does not help anything.  Don't get me wrong Caps has answered many of my questions...sometimes I ask a question that I already know the answer for.  Someone besides me needs to look at the big picture and realize that if any of this is true...it's big....BIG!!


I am trying to objectively think back over the past few months and the posts that CAPS has made.  If I recall correctly, he started posting late last year and he was posting on the NAH thread.  At one point, around March, he started giving information that was shocking and it fit with the Shango riddles.  I think that Klaas asked him who he was and she suggested at that time for us to move over to the Shango thread.



SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 07, 2008, 06:28:28 AM
I hit the wrong key and the post posted before I was finished.  This is supposed to be with the above post.  Sorry.

Anyway, at that point CAPS told us briefly that he felt that he knew what happened to Natalee.  He explained that he had contacted Beth and Dave.  He also asked to communicate directly with LaLa and Klaas.  In hindsight, I don't think that CAPS came on here with the intent of solving the Shango/Simian riddles.  I have been under the impression that he came here to help expose information about what had happened to Natalee.  I also was under the impression that some or parts of his information had been passed to him through his own personal contacts.

I actually wonder if we were the ones who pushed CAPS into solving the Shango/Simian riddles.  He had already submitted what he felt to be the truth to the significant people involved in the case.  I don't think that he knew the story of Natalee's disappearance according to Shango, but rather from his own investigation or information.  For several months, I felt that CAPS was taking our research and fitting it into the Shango riddle.  Many times he would say that it did or didn't fit.  He has given us lots of information about the belly of Aruba. I don't think that CAPS knows some of the information in the Shango/Simian codes.  He had already given his information to Beth, the FBI, and TES weeks before he was helping us figure out who Shango, Simian. and Merian are.

Once we came up with the name Armin Solognier and the pond at Manserat (sp), CAPS revealed that he had already given his information and he said that the Simian/Shango codes also led to the same place that he had reported.  Read the words under his Avatar.  At this point, he shared with us that he been in contact with TES while they were on the island and that they had scanned the pond right before the Venezuela problem and TES's departure.  He explained that the pond was being watched until the strike started.

I don't think that CAPS has ever had all of the answers to Shango or Simian.  He had his own information.  We asked him to help with the codes.  I don't think that he came here to break these codes.  I think that he has been trying to help us.  He might be a shill and I could be completely wrong about him.  I just don't think that we're being fair to him at this point.  Personally, I think he has inside information that he is sharing that has nothing to do with Shango.



SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.





 




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2008, 11:10:27 AM
Wow, I hate to see all the frustration in this thread,  :sad:

I wonder if Caps would have a problem if a separate thread was created in which questions could be posted to him when issues need clarifying regarding something he has posted? I think he may be missing some of our questions. Understandable too, IMO, as so many are asked of him...

Don't want to be cynical but I think you would have a thread of nothing but questions........


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2008, 11:23:07 AM
MumInOhio

Quote
When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

????????????? Strange isn't it?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2008, 11:28:04 AM
Caps first post from January 18, 2008. I might add that the English is very good and easy to read.....

+++++++++

Klaas, I believe you have left out some important ones.

Pride:

Their excessive belief in their own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. ( they have not been Recognised by the Holloway's)

Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

Anger
This is manifested in the individual who spurns love (lies of loving) and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. They say they are anger that the Holloway's have build this case on a foundation of lies. by at the same time lets enjoy the the rest of the seven sins.

Greed:
this is their desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. (they said that they can read and work with the spirit, another BS) It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. ( They said that they not doing it for money, but I bet you that the seven sins tells you different)

Sloth:
is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work. (if they were so spiritual, they would have solve the case a long time ago) even the FBI do not believe in the


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sirensong on May 07, 2008, 12:29:20 PM
I understand the frustration of some of you that have done so much work, and I enjoy and appreciate what you have done.  I also enjoy Cap's posts and ideas.  I think that those who have given so much time and energy looking up things for Caps should talk to him on another thread.  This back and forth really takes away from the positive work you have all done.  IMHO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on May 07, 2008, 12:38:44 PM
For those who do not want to believe Caps......continue with your
own research and beliefs.

For those who chose to believe.......do what you can to help.

No need to post unkind things about Caps or any other Monkey
until they are proven to be a troll.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 07, 2008, 01:44:16 PM
For those who do not want to believe Caps......continue with your
own research and beliefs.

For those who chose to believe.......do what you can to help.

No need to post unkind things about Caps or any other Monkey
until they are proven to be a troll.

Well said, Magnolia.....my feelings exactly.  Everyone here is free to explore whatever theory and info they want.

CAPS has certainly contributed information regarding the inner workings and political climate in Aruba and helped widen my perspective.  I became interested in CAPS' contributions on the front page and was glad to see him/her join in the forum.  Things are always more fun and interesting when CAPS is around, IMO.

With regard to DH's identity, I have found it fascinating that so little information is available regarding this person.  With all the news gathered here over the past three years, and all the statements from the Prosecutor's office and the Justice Ministry, I find it more than curious that we are just finding out about this person.  This gives credence to the possibility that he is the "wizard behind the curtain", IMO.  I have been searching for information for weeks since CAPS brought up his name, and there is almost no information available on this "mystery man", let alone a photograph.  This, along with the fact that most press regarding court cases and decisions most often mention "the judge", but not by name, is very curious to me.  Even the information that is made available in Aruba, is nebulous at best, and definitely a system designed for non-transparency.  Perhaps no one has been able to determine whether or not Deutekom is a judge, I know I haven't.  However, from what I have observed, credentials relating to the field of practice are not a requirement in Aruba, so he may not even have a law degree. 

Helen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2008, 02:22:00 PM
Once again I will post these comments, read them carefully......I am not saying anything directly about the author, I leave it to you to understand the feelings.

+++++++

>>>SNIP
Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 07, 2008, 02:35:22 PM
Once again I will post these comments, read them carefully......I am not saying anything directly about the author, I leave it to you to understand the feelings.

+++++++

>>>SNIP
Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)


 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 07, 2008, 05:34:17 PM
Once again I will post these comments, read them carefully......I am not saying anything directly about the author, I leave it to you to understand the feelings.

+++++++

>>>SNIP
Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

BB, I don't think I understand your point.  I went back and found the thread you've quoted and found this:

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16
« Reply #318 on: January 17, 2008, 11:22:13 PM » 

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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on January 17, 2008, 11:18:50 PM
Klaas, I believe you have left out some important ones.

Pride:

Their excessive belief in their own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. ( they have not been Recognised by the Holloway's)

Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

Anger
This is manifested in the individual who spurns love (lies of loving) and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. They say they are anger that the Holloway's have build this case on a foundation of lies. by at the same time lets enjoy the the rest of the seven sins.

Greed:
this is their desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. (they said that they can read and work with the spirit, another BS) It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. ( They said that they not doing it for money, but I bet you that the seven sins tells you different)

Sloth:
is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work. (if they were so spiritual, they would have solve the case a long time ago) even the FBI do not believe in them.




CapsLock - welcome to the forum!

To clarify in case anyone is wondering, CapsLock is speaking of Kelly and Castillo.    
 
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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2008, 06:18:40 PM
Thanks 2NJSons_Mom, I had the same question: this is the post by Klaasend that Caps was responding to:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.260 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2527.260)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16
« Reply #260 on: January 17, 2008, 08:39:42 PM » 

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Why did they allow Kelly and Castillo to go on TV and tell their fictional story right now?

1.  Someone is affraid the ocean search will be successful in finding Natalee's body?
2.  Joran's wine throwing stunt was too much in the news?
3.  Beth was going to be on Oprah with over 20 million viewers?
4.  All of the above
5.  ??




Caps post about the seven sins, other than the comments he added can all be found at this website, and I'm sure many others.
http://deadlysins.com/sins/index.htm (http://deadlysins.com/sins/index.htm)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 07, 2008, 06:18:58 PM
Once again I will post these comments, read them carefully......I am not saying anything directly about the author, I leave it to you to understand the feelings.

+++++++

>>>SNIP
Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

BB, I don't think I understand your point.  I went back and found the thread you've quoted and found this:

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #713 1/16
« Reply #318 on: January 17, 2008, 11:22:13 PM » 

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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on January 17, 2008, 11:18:50 PM
Klaas, I believe you have left out some important ones.

Pride:

Their excessive belief in their own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. ( they have not been Recognised by the Holloway's)

Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

Anger
This is manifested in the individual who spurns love (lies of loving) and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. They say they are anger that the Holloway's have build this case on a foundation of lies. by at the same time lets enjoy the the rest of the seven sins.

Greed:
this is their desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. (they said that they can read and work with the spirit, another BS) It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. ( They said that they not doing it for money, but I bet you that the seven sins tells you different)

Sloth:
is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work. (if they were so spiritual, they would have solve the case a long time ago) even the FBI do not believe in them.




CapsLock - welcome to the forum!

To clarify in case anyone is wondering, CapsLock is speaking of Kelly and Castillo.    
 
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Thank You for posting this 2NJ...I have no idea what BB was getting at....but now it makes sense.....that is what Caps was saying ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 07, 2008, 06:19:14 PM
2NJSons maybe you didn't read back far enough but I did quote the larger text of what was written. My point is that I think everyone should read what started out as the first post ....there was some prior discussion about a certain posters original posts, and  one I quoted is clear. I do not veil my words and try to say what i mean, and clearly as my past here documents I have tried not to get into a personal squabble...well except maybe once...make that twice..... specifically what the above quote I posted means is pretty clear.....that is all plain and simple.


"Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have) "


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 07, 2008, 06:35:15 PM
2NJSons maybe you didn't read back far enough but I did quote the larger text of what was written. My point is that I think everyone should read what started out as the first post ....there was some prior discussion about a certain posters original posts, and  one I quoted is clear. I do not veil my words and try to say what i mean, and clearly as my past here documents I have tried not to get into a personal squabble...well except maybe once...make that twice..... specifically what the above quote I posted means is pretty clear.....that is all plain and simple.


"Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have) "


I did read back and saw your original, and yes, did understand that you noted the clarity of the post.  When you reposted a snippet, I thought I had misunderstood and then strayed to thinking you thought Caps was referring to someone else.  I thought about it for a good portion of the afternoon before posting, and only did so after researching the thread the post came from.

That said, I have noticed the differences in posts, as well...

Peace.....(no squabble here)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 07, 2008, 06:46:10 PM
No squabble here either BB...just trying to make sense of Your post.....that's All!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 07, 2008, 10:29:56 PM
I thought this Prayer was appropriate right now.....seeing how We all need to work together for Natalee...to All MY Monkey Friends


Prayer for Friendship


You have blessed us, O God,
with the gift of friendship,
the bonding of persons
in a circle of love.
We thank you for such a blessing:
for friends who love us,
who share our sorrows,
who laugh with us in celebration,
who bear our pain,
who need us as we need them,
who weep as we weep,
who hold us when words fail,
and who give us the freedom
to be ourselves.
Bless our friends with health,
wholeness, life, and love.
Amen.


- Vienna Cobb Anderson


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 07, 2008, 11:34:05 PM
I thought this Prayer was appropriate right now.....seeing how We all need to work together for Natalee...to All MY Monkey Friends


Prayer for Friendship


You have blessed us, O God,
with the gift of friendship,
the bonding of persons
in a circle of love.
We thank you for such a blessing:
for friends who love us,
who share our sorrows,
who laugh with us in celebration,
who bear our pain,
who need us as we need them,
who weep as we weep,
who hold us when words fail,
and who give us the freedom
to be ourselves.
Bless our friends with health,
wholeness, life, and love.
Amen.


- Vienna Cobb Anderson
Thanks for posting the Friendship Prayer Hotping, it was a very thoughtful thing to do!
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 07, 2008, 11:53:33 PM
I thought this Prayer was appropriate right now.....seeing how We all need to work together for Natalee...to All MY Monkey Friends


Prayer for Friendship


You have blessed us, O God,
with the gift of friendship,
the bonding of persons
in a circle of love.
We thank you for such a blessing:
for friends who love us,
who share our sorrows,
who laugh with us in celebration,
who bear our pain,
who need us as we need them,
who weep as we weep,
who hold us when words fail,
and who give us the freedom
to be ourselves.
Bless our friends with health,
wholeness, life, and love.
Amen.


- Vienna Cobb Anderson
Thanks for posting the Friendship Prayer Hotping, it was a very thoughtful thing to do!
 ::MonkeyCool::
You're Welcome TM! 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 02:34:17 AM
Dear Monkeys,

I see that all have a lot of queston.

Who is Bulo. Bulo is the Nickname of Lorenzo Van Rijn. He was the first that was detain for questioning & not arrested. (was never in the news because of his association with other bigshot in ALE) so that never hid the news.
Two days later they went to his mama house and there he desided to colobrorate with the ALE.

What ever his story was to the upper ALE force, they needed a fallguy and they went to the Color guys. BTW they fo not have nicknames. Who was the first to give them nick names? the NEWS.

Then came Joran and the 2 kalpoes and from here it all turned into a media circus, but with the help of the news.

Follow the Star.: comming from Brickel Hotel on a straight path (road) to the first Star (A chinesee Restuarant) to the banks (gold bars) then make a left on the road where it is not paved.

Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club who's in the back there is an access to the appartments (6) where one will do a quicky where it is just of a coincidance is accross the street of the Monserat pond.

The only one that has change his way of operation is Matty. Now Matty the owner died long time ago, but this place is run by the Kalpoes famaly but they are not the only one with keys. The one that runs the News also has key to this apartments.

How far is it from McDonald. Just walk back to the Star and Mc Donnald is there across the street.

DH: the problem with this is that Freedom means a lot to everyone and one will like to loose it even if you are inocent. The only person in Dutch Law that has the power to take that from a person is a Prosecuter. He then present his case and a Judge will decide your fate with the evidance (Fact or none Fact) presented by this man.

Hans Mos is a prosecuter and is on the list. Judges are on the list. This man is not on the list but he is the one that will build your case (for a guilty or not guilty outcome). Caps loves his Freedome. DANGER ZONE HERE. Have got a photo (Patient)

Rising sun: This is the Lodge of the "Sol Naciente". It is the lodge of the Dutch Mason in Aruba. Go to this place and do a research  http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/ the VIP club or Lions Den belong to these people. they use the VIP club.

News: got email from the DH (not Dirty hand)

History: It was 3 day before Christmas and my dad and I were talking how strange that this girl has vanished from the radar and no one knows where she is. I google "Where is natalee" and it brought me to this place called SM and I read summery and then I remeber as a kid how I lost a brand new sneaker. Imaging comming home with one sneaker missing and telling dad that I lost it. Where? in the pond. (as a kid No one are allowed to go to these ponds due to if you feed get stuck in the mud and the sneaker is not tied down, it will stay in the mud when you tried to free one foot. in the past some kid drown becuase it is fresh water and do not have bouyence and when some one fell in, and when touch bottom, you feed will sink and get stuck.

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.
in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

I wrote my analysis and from that first analysis I build my foundation to start the next level of fact findings.

The Riddle is there but it can not be solve without a local guide. SM has a lot brains that has help.

CAPS


 


 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 02:40:04 AM
Caps first post from January 18, 2008. I might add that the English is very good and easy to read.....

+++++++++

Klaas, I believe you have left out some important ones.

Pride:

Their excessive belief in their own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity. ( they have not been Recognised by the Holloway's)

Envy:
Their desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation. (Beth $16000.00 open bill in Aruba while they have to pay for them self. otherwise they would not bring it out)

Gluttony:
Their inordinate desire to consume and drink more than that which one requires. (Lets go To Aruba, Talk Some $hit and see if we can be Comp by the hotel for a short fame while drinking and eating.

Lust:
There is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body. (see how much Tattoo they have)

Anger
This is manifested in the individual who spurns love (lies of loving) and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath. They say they are anger that the Holloway's have build this case on a foundation of lies. by at the same time lets enjoy the the rest of the seven sins.

Greed:
this is their desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. (they said that they can read and work with the spirit, another BS) It is also called Avarice or Covetousness. ( They said that they not doing it for money, but I bet you that the seven sins tells you different)

Sloth:
is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work. (if they were so spiritual, they would have solve the case a long time ago) even the FBI do not believe in the



BB,

     I have suspected all along that CAPS is also another poster in this forum. There is a marked difference in the English abilities of the two posters.  I came up with a pretty simplistic conclusion that it was because of the information that was being imparted. Some of what CAPS has revealed to us, is huge.  I just hope that CAPS will return and continue to help us.  He has given us so much information and it's information that we could never have acquired outside of Aruba.  I personally doubt that the Shango riddle is the accurate scenario of what happened that night, but I think that there are big elements of truth in it.  I agree with LaLa that it definitely shields Joran.  I do know that if the guilty parties are exposed through us or anywhere else, they are going to start to do a dance and the truth will eventually surface.  We really need CAPS and others like him to help us expose the perps.  I also believe that there are Arubans who want to expose the perps. I don't want to see these people chased away.  Destiny is placing an ad asking for more help.  We have someone who is already here and willing to help us.  We also need to be patient with personalities.  Not everyone is focused on detail and documentation.  A right-brained thinker can be very frustrating to a left-brainer.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 02:40:07 AM
Dear Monkeys,

I see that all have a lot of queston.

Who is Bulo. Bulo is the Nickname of Lorenzo Van Rijn. He was the first that was detain for questioning & not arrested. (was never in the news because of his association with other bigshot in ALE) so that never hid the news.
Two days later they went to his mama house and there he desided to colobrorate with the ALE.

What ever his story was to the upper ALE force, they needed a fallguy and they went to the Color guys. BTW they fo not have nicknames. Who was the first to give them nick names? the NEWS.

Then came Joran and the 2 kalpoes and from here it all turned into a media circus, but with the help of the news.

Follow the Star.: comming from Brickel Hotel on a straight path (road) to the first Star (A chinesee Restuarant) to the banks (gold bars) then make a left on the road where it is not paved.

Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club who's in the back there is an access to the appartments (6) where one will do a quicky where it is just of a coincidance is accross the street of the Monserat pond.

The only one that has change his way of operation is Matty. Now Matty the owner died long time ago, but this place is run by the Kalpoes famaly but they are not the only one with keys. The one that runs the News also has key to this apartments.

How far is it from McDonald. Just walk back to the Star and Mc Donnald is there across the street.

DH: the problem with this is that Freedom means a lot to everyone and one do not like to loose it even if you are inocent. The only person in Dutch Law that has the power to take that from a person is a Prosecuter. He then present his case and a Judge will decide your fate with the evidance (Fact or none Fact) presented by this man.

Hans Mos is a prosecuter and is on the list. Judges are on the list. This man is not on the list but he is the one that will build your case (for a guilty or not guilty outcome). Caps loves his Freedome. DANGER ZONE HERE. Have got a photo (Patient)

Rising sun: This is the Lodge of the "Sol Naciente". It is the lodge of the Dutch Mason in Aruba. Go to this place and do a research  http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/ the VIP club or Lions Den belong to these people. they use the VIP club.

News: got email from the DH (not Dirty hand)

History: It was 3 day before Christmas and my dad and I were talking how strange that this girl has vanished from the radar and no one knows where she is. I google "Where is natalee" and it brought me to this place called SM and I read summery and then I remeber as a kid how I lost a brand new sneaker. Imaging comming home with one sneaker missing and telling dad that I lost it. Where? in the pond. (as a kid No one are allowed to go to these ponds due to if you feed get stuck in the mud and the sneaker is not tied down, it will stay in the mud when you tried to free one foot. in the past some kid drown becuase it is fresh water and do not have bouyence and when some one fell in, and when touch bottom, you feed will sink and get stuck.

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.
in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

I wrote my analysis and from that first analysis I build my foundation to start the next level of fact findings.

The Riddle is there but it can not be solve without a local guide. SM has a lot brains that has help.

CAPS


 


 



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 02:51:20 AM
Dear Monkeys,

I see that all have a lot of queston.

Who is Bulo. Bulo is the Nickname of Lorenzo Van Rijn. He was the first that was detain for questioning & not arrested. (was never in the news because of his association with other bigshot in ALE) so that never hid the news.
Two days later they went to his mama house and there he desided to colobrorate with the ALE.

What ever his story was to the upper ALE force, they needed a fallguy and they went to the Color guys. BTW they fo not have nicknames. Who was the first to give them nick names? the NEWS.

Then came Joran and the 2 kalpoes and from here it all turned into a media circus, but with the help of the news.

Follow the Star.: comming from Brickel Hotel on a straight path (road) to the first Star (A chinesee Restuarant) to the banks (gold bars) then make a left on the road where it is not paved.

Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club who's in the back there is an access to the appartments (6) where one will do a quicky where it is just of a coincidance is accross the street of the Monserat pond.

The only one that has change his way of operation is Matty. Now Matty the owner died long time ago, but this place is run by the Kalpoes famaly but they are not the only one with keys. The one that runs the News also has key to this apartments.

How far is it from McDonald. Just walk back to the Star and Mc Donnald is there across the street.

DH: the problem with this is that Freedom means a lot to everyone and one will like to loose it even if you are inocent. The only person in Dutch Law that has the power to take that from a person is a Prosecuter. He then present his case and a Judge will decide your fate with the evidance (Fact or none Fact) presented by this man.

Hans Mos is a prosecuter and is on the list. Judges are on the list. This man is not on the list but he is the one that will build your case (for a guilty or not guilty outcome). Caps loves his Freedome. DANGER ZONE HERE. Have got a photo (Patient)

Rising sun: This is the Lodge of the "Sol Naciente". It is the lodge of the Dutch Mason in Aruba. Go to this place and do a research  http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/ the VIP club or Lions Den belong to these people. they use the VIP club.

News: got email from the DH (not Dirty hand)

History: It was 3 day before Christmas and my dad and I were talking how strange that this girl has vanished from the radar and no one knows where she is. I google "Where is natalee" and it brought me to this place called SM and I read summery and then I remeber as a kid how I lost a brand new sneaker. Imaging comming home with one sneaker missing and telling dad that I lost it. Where? in the pond. (as a kid No one are allowed to go to these ponds due to if you feed get stuck in the mud and the sneaker is not tied down, it will stay in the mud when you tried to free one foot. in the past some kid drown becuase it is fresh water and do not have bouyence and when some one fell in, and when touch bottom, you feed will sink and get stuck.

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.
in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

I wrote my analysis and from that first analysis I build my foundation to start the next level of fact findings.

The Riddle is there but it can not be solve without a local guide. SM has a lot brains that has help.

CAPS


 


 


Thank you for your help CAPS.  You are very much appreciated and your information has been so helpful to us.  Please stay with us. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 03:23:48 AM
I will not go anywhere.

but like a said before, I am (we all) are at the berlin wall and as we chip and chip away we will break trough.

Now the center string is LORENZO (Bulo) - VIP CLUB / MATTY APARTMENT - and a Natalee Look alike (douppleganger)

then came the two Hatians --->to blame someone to gain time

Then came the Dutch and the Surimans --->to safe some face and power of the LAW

In all this there is the NEWS (Renfro) and a Crap Dealer (Wever) and a DJ (Steve Croes), Lawyer and prosecuter etc.

and all happend from a 10 day vacation + another 10 day after the desapear of natalee.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

the first 10 day, there was Paul, Lorenzo+ Guido Waver + girls

the other 10 day, there was a girl missing, Lorenzo, Casino boy, Joran + Steve croes + Kalpoes




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 04:47:39 AM
CAPS, you have my mind racing.    If Paulus picked Joran up at MacDonalds at 11:00 that night, it could be very possible that Joran and the others had been setting up the video party at the nearby Matty Apts.  Paulus and other adults could also have been there helping.  They knew that the MB girls would be at C&Cs because they had discussed it at the casino earlier in the day.  Joran returned home and was then picked up by the Kalpoes for a ride over to C&Cs where they snatched Natalee and brought her back to the waiting party-goers, who were being entertained by Guido's poker cards. They had probably done this before - maybe 20 times as Joran said.   Paulus's second trip to MacDonalds at 4:00 could have been to help Lorenzo with Natalee's body because they had called him, or he could have been there all along and that's the time when he left and also went to the bank.

I have never been big on the kidnap theory, but if Bulo (Lorenzo) knew one of the MB girls from the past, he could have placed a request with brother Joran to return from C&Cs with a specific girl, who could have been Haleigh or Virginia.  Perhaps Lorenzo had been gilted and wanted a little revenge.  There was also talk of one of the girls owing money.  Maybe one of these girls owed Lorenzo money for a drug purchase earlier in the week.  If Joran couldn't entice or find Lorenzo's first choice or she was already gone (Virginia), then maybe he went for Natalee because she had shown an interest in him and he was under pressure to return with a girl, because Freddy's cameras were ready to roll.  In this way, the kidnap story makes a little more sense to me.  Natalee probably was not the original intended plan.

The people from The News who were holding the keys would have to be Renfro and/or Chemaly.  Freddy's numerous videos could have been marketed through a dark aspect of Renfro's photography interests.  It could have been her side business and she might have even owned the equipment.  She also owns the water sports company that has Wave Rhinos that are inflatable and would easily fit in the back of Lorenzo's van with his huge speakers.  I posted a picture of one a while back.  Steve Croes could have helped with this.  Joran could have lost his shoe in the mud while helping to launch the inflatable boat.  They could also have used the cage from the fisherman's shacks because the one that Dr. Hughes described was not very large.  The cage could be in the pond.  Steve Croes would have known that the cage was there because he spent a lot of time on that beach.  Dompig's son also worked on that same beach.  I posted pictures of him partying there and using the water sports boats.

Once something happened to Natalee that night, the Kalpoes probably went home and started cleaning out the car of any evidence that she had been in there, while the others disposed of her body.  The Kalpoes left Joran at the beach with Natalee
(by the pond, not the ocean).  The Internet activity began and Deepak changed the computer clocks to establish the alibi.

The coverup began when Beth unexpectedly arrived and started demanding answers.  Paulus and adult friends were either directly involved and/or had kids that were involved.  The higher powers at ALE started covering for each other and the rest is history.  The disinformation was probably put out there by Renfro to protect everyone involved and herself. By escorting Beth around the island, Renfro could make sure that Beth never went near the Matty apartments, the pond, or anyone who was involved. Evidence from Natalee could also have been placed at various places on the island to intentionally throw everyone off - the tape???

These are just my thoughts based on what CAPS has just given us and what we have been researching for the past few months.  LaLa and Mum, please come back and help us work through this.  This is a massive coverup of some very visible and important people in Aruba.  There aren't going to be a lot of facts to document, because most of this has no doubt been covered up and we have intentionally been given disinformation.  We are going to have to rely on sources like CAPS to do the best that they can to give us the information that they are getting from others.  The people who know first hand what happened aren't going to help us.  The information from The News isn't going to be correct.  We didn't even know that Lorenzo was the first one questioned, because Renfro didn't release it.

ALE knows exactly what happened that night.  I have no doubt that the FBI and the Dutch know exactly what happened.  The problem might just be proving it under those bizarre Dutch laws.  Those involved knew how to destroy evidence from the very beginning.  Those involved need to be exposed in hopes that someone will crack and start to sing like a canary, or big evidence that can't be disputed needs to be found.  Hopefully they will find something in Manserat.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 05:09:26 AM
I will not go anywhere.

but like a said before, I am (we all) are at the berlin wall and as we chip and chip away we will break trough.

Now the center string is LORENZO (Bulo) - VIP CLUB / MATTY APARTMENT - and a Natalee Look alike (douppleganger)

then came the two Hatians --->to blame someone to gain time

Then came the Dutch and the Surimans --->to safe some face and power of the LAW

In all this there is the NEWS (Renfro) and a Crap Dealer (Wever) and a DJ (Steve Croes), Lawyer and prosecuter etc.

and all happend from a 10 day vacation + another 10 day after the desapear of natalee.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

the first 10 day, there was Paul, Lorenzo+ Guido Waver + girls

the other 10 day, there was a girl missing, Lorenzo, Casino boy, Joran + Steve croes + Kalpoes





CAPS,

I am completely confused by what you have just said.  Are you saying that there were actually two video parties where MB girls were involved?  Is this why Virginia left the island early?  Was Haleigh (sp) the unwilling victim of a Lorenzo/Guido/Paulus production during a previous trip to Aruba?  Please be more specific with this information.  What does news and an email from DH mean?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 08, 2008, 06:33:46 AM
After my last post it appears that some reading back may be in order! And maybe Caps can explain how he has posted previously on Ben Vocking, see my last post and there are more, but yesterday he didn't have a clue who he was!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.760


« Reply #763 on: April 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM » Caps   
 
It 3:30 exactly. After reading the boek The Return of Dr. Nikola, I have these 2 question?

The motive. this was a crime to prove something, and it has to do with the new ICC in Holland. It is a gamble to break the US constitution. Some one had to die that night. it got to do with this court.

Now the next person  is the key Mr Vonk or what ever his name was. It was his Plan.

VMS: Will check in the morning on Luis Oduber. Have received answer but all are asking me the question "The one that use to own a restaurant".

Source will check with Directie Finance in the Morning.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.780


« Reply #768 on: April 24, 2008, 04:11:02 AM » Caps   
 
I need all Info about the KING becasue he is the man


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.800

« Reply #800 on: April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM » MumInOhio   
 
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

« Reply #818 on: April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps

I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

« Reply #819 on: April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM » 2NJSons

Did you try 'Vocking'???

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.820

   
 « Reply #820 on: April 24, 2008, 02:39:56 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps
I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

Mum
Caps...I am not sure what you are saying...sorry! I thought we were talking about Ben Vocking who changed his name to Ben King! He was at KIA and I think now has another government job, possibly OM's office, but I honestly don't recall. Is this who you are asking about? TIA




« Reply #823 on: April 24, 2008, 03:03:34 PM » Caps   
 
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on April 24, 2008, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 24, 2008, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 24, 2008, 11:52:36 AM
Caps...are you saying that this guy is Voking????

Mum
From what was posted a couple of months ago, I don't think so! But I really can't go and find it right now as it is in the large thread and I am popping in and out this morning! I recall alot of discussion on it and comments about how we had the wrong guy's pic all this time!

Caps
I don't think that his name is not Voking but maybe Vo King and he change is name for Ben King or Benking

It is strange no data on this man but lives in Aruba.

Must be protected data. not in Dbase

Did you try 'Vocking'???

Mum
Thanks...2NJSons...it was posted originally this morning as Vocking and in my post I missed the 'c'...maybe that is where Caps is confused...I know I am!

Caps
ok
now we are talking

Vocking   Bernardus FC               1/14/1948   Nijmegen   De La Sallestraat 14
Vocking, geb. de Droog   Anna MJ   6/3/1959             Amsterdam   De La Sallestraat 14

The man and the wife.











Well, I will say that I know the FACE of the man since 2002-2004 where he was driving arround in his small VW in the area where they are selling prostitution. I my research on The Man came from a person that know The Man very well and when I was posting the info's, he provided me with all the Info add that time from the Pictures I have showed to Him.

Now at 3:30 am I said What I said because my eyes and my brain was very tired but he came to mind the more I read the riddle. Now The Man had many diffrent name and one of it is Jaguar = Hunter, Benny, Benancio, King, The Man, etc. and for that reason I said "what ever his name is" becuase the more you search about this man one will find all kinds of stories and which part of these volumes of stories do we need.

VMS:

Also about the Yellowhammer vs Merian and not to confuse with the poster name Merian Ernest.

The Yellowhammer = Virginia and Merian = Natalee

The Yellowhammer flow Away and Merian DNA will be washed away with the Horacain Emily

Now for the YellowHammer to be Natalee, the it would be Natalee that flow Away, and Virginia'S DNA that is in the pond.

Question?
where is Virginia Page?


Also the introduction to the Kiwanis info came from some one that deal with this man in KIA. He worked for him and he confirm also that The Man stinks like onion. Poor Hygene.

So where is Jaguar


This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…




http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357646#msg357646


« Reply #2958 on: February 29, 2008, 04:35:29 PM »

It is interesting to know how things are turning in live.

Ben King did order many Abuse situation on Alex they forget that people will get out of jail one day. and tell the horror put on him.

This time the coins has flipped and now is the Judge and the son that has done something that he can not walk away. This is not a domestic abuse case but a Murder. They will use all the tactical tricks to find a way to save there A$$.

I know know thats why he left these clues like Art. 41 and The 46 court etc.

I wonder how many years he has to serve in the USA.

BTW in USA he might have computer access. it is the norm in europian jails, maybe someone post it for him.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.160

« Reply #179 on: March 26, 2008, 01:47:03 PM »

Now here is my way of thinking or seeing this.

Prosecuter Duetekom is not on list list,

Maybe The singing man song is not on the list,

Duetekom good friend with Paules and King. they are the one that deal
with the issue of Alex Mathew in KIA.

On the night in question, maybe the siging mausic man saw Deutekom,
but could not point him out from the list.

The singing man song was not on the list.

CAPS.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 08, 2008, 06:41:12 AM

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.400


« Reply #402 on: March 31, 2008, 09:43:21 AM »   
 
In Aruba, some one has run wild with that story, who is that person or a news organistation,

Now lets examine this virgin statement. If it is a lie that mary was a virgina and that lie has been found who is to loose in this game

there will be two looser, one is beth and the wone that play with that peace of information

« Reply #408 on: March 31, 2008, 10:14:42 AM »   
 
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie

« Reply #409 on: March 31, 2008, 10:31:04 AM »

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on March 31, 2008, 10:14:42 AM
For those with the rev4 manual

item item 83 and 84

item 84 will close this book almost

Alibi = beth lie

I know this will be a touchi subject... but it is notting compare what has been done..

Is the News a paper in Aruba

check who owns it and its relations ships.

There is no response to the Alibi=beth lie ….

« Reply #411 on: March 31, 2008, 11:02:44 AM »   
 
Forget the beth lie
it has been soved and it all done...

I need now the owners of The News

10 pages later….

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.600

« Reply #609 on: March 31, 2008, 11:15:49 PM »   
 
my first question this morning around 9:30 was:

Why would beth lie about her being a virgin and who run with the story was fox news. where did they got the news from? I will answer Julia.

Why why would I lhype up something that was not true and now i need some one to run with it. that can colorabrorate and sustain my lie. My friend. who walk with me. both know it is not the true and that makes it like we say in Logic world,  NOT = NOT and that makes it a logic sense.

it can not be OR and can not be AND OR logic. do not compute.











Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 08, 2008, 07:12:11 AM
Capslock - MBOX...read my second message first.  My first idea didn't work.

Did it work or should I post it

I have Joomla installed and it has a WYSIWYG editor installed but when post in your editor it does not bring in the text formating styles with it.

Editor is old on your Joomla or Mambo system



The pdf link below is what Capslock wanted me to post for him so the colors and highlights would show:


Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 08, 2008, 07:35:23 AM

snipped:

Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club  who's in the back there is an access to the appartments (6) where one will do a quicky where it is just of a coincidance is accross the street of the Monserat pond.

CAPS

If the Kalpoe father owns the VIP Club, then it appears Kawish Misier and the Kalpoes are related - with Baidjnath Misier being the Kalpoe father and uncle of Kawish Misier.  Is this correct CAPS?


(http://i31.tinypic.com/14nmw3p.jpg)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/2lawmr5.jpg)



THE V.I.P. CLUB  
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA; 
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 08, 2008, 07:36:11 AM
Capslock - MBOX...read my second message first.  My first idea didn't work.

Did it work or should I post it

I have Joomla installed and it has a WYSIWYG editor installed but when post in your editor it does not bring in the text formating styles with it.

Editor is old on your Joomla or Mambo system



The pdf link below is what Capslock wanted me to post for him so the colors and highlights would show:


Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!



Mum,

Please don't leave this thread. I always look forward to getting up in the morning and coming here to see what you have posted. PLEASE STAY!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 07:40:08 AM
I will not go anywhere.

but like a said before, I am (we all) are at the berlin wall and as we chip and chip away we will break trough.

Now the center string is LORENZO (Bulo) - VIP CLUB / MATTY APARTMENT - and a Natalee Look alike (douppleganger)

then came the two Hatians --->to blame someone to gain time

Then came the Dutch and the Surimans --->to safe some face and power of the LAW

In all this there is the NEWS (Renfro) and a Crap Dealer (Wever) and a DJ (Steve Croes), Lawyer and prosecuter etc.

and all happend from a 10 day vacation + another 10 day after the desapear of natalee.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

the first 10 day, there was Paul, Lorenzo+ Guido Waver + girls

the other 10 day, there was a girl missing, Lorenzo, Casino boy, Joran + Steve croes + Kalpoes





CAPS,

I am completely confused by what you have just said.  Are you saying that there were actually two video parties where MB girls were involved?  Is this why Virginia left the island early?  Was Haleigh (sp) the unwilling victim of a Lorenzo/Guido/Paulus production during a previous trip to Aruba?  Please be more specific with this information.  What does news and an email from DH mean?



Where is my mind??? ::MonkeyConfused::  Of course I know who DH is.  Can you share any of his information with us?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 08, 2008, 07:53:08 AM

<snipped>

If the Kalpoe father owns the VIP Club, then it appears Kawish Misier and the Kalpoes are related - with Baidjnath Misier being the Kalpoe father and uncle of Kawish Misier.  Is this correct CAPS?



Good Morning, Pita.

This is one of Cap's claims that I cannot make sense of. Dave was all over that place as were others who went to Aruba to investigate. How could none of them not know that the Kalpoe father owned the VIP?
Maybe it's just me.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 08, 2008, 08:55:52 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 09:09:56 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.




Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 08, 2008, 09:46:18 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.



Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 

It's disappointing to see the tension that is appearing in this thread.  I appreciate the time and effort all monkeys contribute to the forum, as so much great work is done here.  I read everything here with Old Fart's saltshaker nearby, and try to reserve my personal feelings about other posters and their thoughts, as everyone has the right to contribute their ideas and theories.  The ones I don't agree with or don't ring a bell with me, I just skip over. 

I trust Klaas to manage the forum, and if anyone gets out of line, I'm sure that she or Red can handle it.  They have a pretty good idea who's who, and I don't think they need my help on that one!  ::MonkeyCool::  One reason I'm here is because Klaas is veeeery sharp and fair to all, and knows more about this case than I ever will.  I appreciate the atmosphere and that Natalee and her family are always respected.

With that said, I understand that this is a long haul for everyone, and it's difficult to hang tough day after day.  We are all vested in the outcome because Natalee and her family have become our family.  Sometimes we get tired, and tensions run high, and I think we can understand each other during those times.  But the cage is big and there's room for all.   If any monkey business takes place, Klaas is certainly capable of kicking monkey ass.  Now, let's all get back to work monkeys.

Helen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 08, 2008, 09:48:25 AM
Ben Vocking  whom now goes by the name of Ben King  . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
http://newsblaze.com/story/2005070108300200001.ew/topstory.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 11:35:41 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.


I am wonder what this is all about. VMS....you do say you know me and I do not know you. but if you know me then what does it to you to help solve the case. I want to solve it. do you?



Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 11:45:40 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.



Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 

It's disappointing to see the tension that is appearing in this thread.  I appreciate the time and effort all monkeys contribute to the forum, as so much great work is done here.  I read everything here with Old Fart's saltshaker nearby, and try to reserve my personal feelings about other posters and their thoughts, as everyone has the right to contribute their ideas and theories.  The ones I don't agree with or don't ring a bell with me, I just skip over. 

I trust Klaas to manage the forum, and if anyone gets out of line, I'm sure that she or Red can handle it.  They have a pretty good idea who's who, and I don't think they need my help on that one!  ::MonkeyCool::  One reason I'm here is because Klaas is veeeery sharp and fair to all, and knows more about this case than I ever will.  I appreciate the atmosphere and that Natalee and her family are always respected.

With that said, I understand that this is a long haul for everyone, and it's difficult to hang tough day after day.  We are all vested in the outcome because Natalee and her family have become our family.  Sometimes we get tired, and tensions run high, and I think we can understand each other during those times.  But the cage is big and there's room for all.   If any monkey business takes place, Klaas is certainly capable of kicking monkey ass.  Now, let's all get back to work monkeys.

Helen


VMS....

if you know me then you should know the 90-10 rule.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 08, 2008, 11:45:59 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.


I am wonder what this is all about. VMS....you do say you know me and I do not know you. but if you know me then what does it to you to help solve the case. I want to solve it. do you?


Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 


Go back and read again, Caps.

That was not my post.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 11:48:45 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.840


SS ... it was revealed by caesu that CAPS' translation of the source he thought implied that there was a long time relationship between Patrick and the VDS' was incorrect.

Also ... CAPS' implication that Patrick live across the street from the Kalpoes' was a misunderstanding which was acknowledge by Klaas.  It was actually another Kalpoe family.

Janet

++++++++++++

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:


Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.

Greetings,
Jorik


PATRICK’S RESPONSE

Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


+++++++++++

PATRICK'S LONGTIME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VDS'?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

+++++++++++++++

Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

++++++++++++++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #283 on: April 19, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »


 ::MonkeyShocked::

caesu ... thank you.

+++++++++++++


PATRICK WAS THE SATISH AND DEEPAK'S NEIGHBOUR?

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

+++++++++++++++

Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
 
I feel like I am in a twilight zone.

Could somebody please clarify.

Thank you.

Janet

1.  Kalpoes' Mother -  Nadira Ramirez
2.  Kalpoes; Stepfather - Ramirez  Luiz Antonio

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

+++++++++++++++

VMS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2008, 10:33:19 PM »


Hi Janet,

I don't understand it either. The Debipersad Kalpoe name was thrown around back in the beginning of the case because it is listed in the phone book. I've never seen anything to verify a connection to Deepak and Satish though. Maybe Caps will explain how he made the connection ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

++++++++++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2008, 10:28:11 PM »


Janet - Hopefully Capslock will verify but I believe he may be wrong.  There must be another Kalpoe family (possibly related) that he's mixing up with the K2's mom and stepdad.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

++++++++++


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 08, 2008, 11:52:35 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.



Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 

It's disappointing to see the tension that is appearing in this thread.  I appreciate the time and effort all monkeys contribute to the forum, as so much great work is done here.  I read everything here with Old Fart's saltshaker nearby, and try to reserve my personal feelings about other posters and their thoughts, as everyone has the right to contribute their ideas and theories.  The ones I don't agree with or don't ring a bell with me, I just skip over. 

I trust Klaas to manage the forum, and if anyone gets out of line, I'm sure that she or Red can handle it.  They have a pretty good idea who's who, and I don't think they need my help on that one!  ::MonkeyCool::  One reason I'm here is because Klaas is veeeery sharp and fair to all, and knows more about this case than I ever will.  I appreciate the atmosphere and that Natalee and her family are always respected.

With that said, I understand that this is a long haul for everyone, and it's difficult to hang tough day after day.  We are all vested in the outcome because Natalee and her family have become our family.  Sometimes we get tired, and tensions run high, and I think we can understand each other during those times.  But the cage is big and there's room for all.   If any monkey business takes place, Klaas is certainly capable of kicking monkey ass.  Now, let's all get back to work monkeys.

Helen


VMS....

if you know me then you should know the 90-10 rule.





THAT WAS NOT MY POST, CAPS.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.



Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 

It's disappointing to see the tension that is appearing in this thread.  I appreciate the time and effort all monkeys contribute to the forum, as so much great work is done here.  I read everything here with Old Fart's saltshaker nearby, and try to reserve my personal feelings about other posters and their thoughts, as everyone has the right to contribute their ideas and theories.  The ones I don't agree with or don't ring a bell with me, I just skip over. 

I trust Klaas to manage the forum, and if anyone gets out of line, I'm sure that she or Red can handle it.  They have a pretty good idea who's who, and I don't think they need my help on that one!  ::MonkeyCool::  One reason I'm here is because Klaas is veeeery sharp and fair to all, and knows more about this case than I ever will.  I appreciate the atmosphere and that Natalee and her family are always respected.

With that said, I understand that this is a long haul for everyone, and it's difficult to hang tough day after day.  We are all vested in the outcome because Natalee and her family have become our family.  Sometimes we get tired, and tensions run high, and I think we can understand each other during those times.  But the cage is big and there's room for all.   If any monkey business takes place, Klaas is certainly capable of kicking monkey ass.  Now, let's all get back to work monkeys.

Helen


VMS....

if you know me then you should know the 90-10 rule.





THAT WAS NOT MY POST, CAPS.
FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed.  They are also near the Brickel bay.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 08, 2008, 12:04:21 PM
Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

I have enjoyed your posts vms, as well as many others in this thread. Thank you for all the hard work you have done in search of the truth and justice for Natalee.



Mum,

I do wish that you would reconsider your decision to walk away.  We really do need you.  If there is something that we should know, please help us by letting us know.  I have tried to make it clear that I am open to being wrong in my personal judgement of CAPS and his motives.  For now,  I have chosen to follow the information because it's really all that we have. 

It's disappointing to see the tension that is appearing in this thread.  I appreciate the time and effort all monkeys contribute to the forum, as so much great work is done here.  I read everything here with Old Fart's saltshaker nearby, and try to reserve my personal feelings about other posters and their thoughts, as everyone has the right to contribute their ideas and theories.  The ones I don't agree with or don't ring a bell with me, I just skip over. 

I trust Klaas to manage the forum, and if anyone gets out of line, I'm sure that she or Red can handle it.  They have a pretty good idea who's who, and I don't think they need my help on that one!  ::MonkeyCool::  One reason I'm here is because Klaas is veeeery sharp and fair to all, and knows more about this case than I ever will.  I appreciate the atmosphere and that Natalee and her family are always respected.

With that said, I understand that this is a long haul for everyone, and it's difficult to hang tough day after day.  We are all vested in the outcome because Natalee and her family have become our family.  Sometimes we get tired, and tensions run high, and I think we can understand each other during those times.  But the cage is big and there's room for all.   If any monkey business takes place, Klaas is certainly capable of kicking monkey ass.  Now, let's all get back to work monkeys.

Helen


VMS....

if you know me then you should know the 90-10 rule.





THAT WAS NOT MY POST, CAPS.
FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed.  They are also near the Brickel bay.

No problem.

House of which witness? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 12:06:19 PM

<snipped>

If the Kalpoe father owns the VIP Club, then it appears Kawish Misier and the Kalpoes are related - with Baidjnath Misier being the Kalpoe father and uncle of Kawish Misier.  Is this correct CAPS?



Good Morning, Pita.

This is one of Cap's claims that I cannot make sense of. Dave was all over that place as were others who went to Aruba to investigate. How could none of them not know that the Kalpoe father owned the VIP?
Maybe it's just me.  ::MonkeyConfused::

This is correct,

I do not have dave book, but this is a good question, if Dave was there he must have met the Kalpoes Famaly via the VIP club. But this Lodge/Club is also used by the member of the "Sol Naciente" masons



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 12:27:35 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.840


SS ... it was revealed by caesu that CAPS' translation of the source he thought implied that there was a long time relationship between Patrick and the VDS' was incorrect.

Also ... CAPS' implication that Patrick live across the street from the Kalpoes' was a misunderstanding which was acknowledge by Klaas.  It was actually another Kalpoe family.

Janet

++++++++++++

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:


Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.

Greetings,
Jorik


PATRICK’S RESPONSE

Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


+++++++++++

PATRICK'S LONGTIME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VDS'?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

+++++++++++++++

Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

++++++++++++++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #283 on: April 19, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »


 ::MonkeyShocked::

caesu ... thank you.

+++++++++++++


PATRICK WAS THE SATISH AND DEEPAK'S NEIGHBOUR?

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

+++++++++++++++

Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
 
I feel like I am in a twilight zone.

Could somebody please clarify.

Thank you.

Janet

1.  Kalpoes' Mother -  Nadira Ramirez
2.  Kalpoes; Stepfather - Ramirez  Luiz Antonio

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

+++++++++++++++

VMS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2008, 10:33:19 PM »


Hi Janet,

I don't understand it either. The Debipersad Kalpoe name was thrown around back in the beginning of the case because it is listed in the phone book. I've never seen anything to verify a connection to Deepak and Satish though. Maybe Caps will explain how he made the connection ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

++++++++++++++

Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2008, 10:28:11 PM »


Janet - Hopefully Capslock will verify but I believe he may be wrong.  There must be another Kalpoe family (possibly related) that he's mixing up with the K2's mom and stepdad.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

++++++++++

Janet,

Thanks, but I don't think that's the same article.  The one about the water sports company didn't have the famous picture of the three boys.  There's another article that CAPS sent us. It talks about the water sports activities.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 12:29:50 PM
CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 08, 2008, 12:48:27 PM
CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 08, 2008, 12:59:46 PM

[/quote]FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed.  They are also near the Brickel bay.
[/quote]

Thanks for the news, CAPS.  Can you tell us which witness? 

Helen








Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 01:16:46 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.840


SS ... it was revealed by caesu that CAPS' translation of the source he thought implied that there was a long time relationship between Patrick and the VDS' was incorrect.

Also ... CAPS' implication that Patrick live across the street from the Kalpoes' was a misunderstanding which was acknowledge by Klaas.  It was actually another Kalpoe family.

Janet

++++++++++++

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:


Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.

Greetings,
Jorik


PATRICK’S RESPONSE

Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


+++++++++++

PATRICK'S LONGTIME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VDS'?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

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Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #283 on: April 19, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »


 ::MonkeyShocked::

caesu ... thank you.

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PATRICK WAS THE SATISH AND DEEPAK'S NEIGHBOUR?

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
 
I feel like I am in a twilight zone.

Could somebody please clarify.

Thank you.

Janet

1.  Kalpoes' Mother -  Nadira Ramirez
2.  Kalpoes; Stepfather - Ramirez  Luiz Antonio

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

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VMS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2008, 10:33:19 PM »


Hi Janet,

I don't understand it either. The Debipersad Kalpoe name was thrown around back in the beginning of the case because it is listed in the phone book. I've never seen anything to verify a connection to Deepak and Satish though. Maybe Caps will explain how he made the connection ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2008, 10:28:11 PM »


Janet - Hopefully Capslock will verify but I believe he may be wrong.  There must be another Kalpoe family (possibly related) that he's mixing up with the K2's mom and stepdad.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

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Janet,

Thanks, but I don't think that's the same article.  The one about the water sports company didn't have the famous picture of the three boys.  There's another article that CAPS sent us. It talks about the water sports activities.

SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 01:21:09 PM
 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #281 on: April 19, 2008, 03:14:33 PM » 

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Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 03:09:08 PM

Thanks Caps!

   
ALMELO - The man who act on behalf of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries using a hidden camera Joran van der Sloot a "confession" has ontfutseld, is the origin of Antillean entrepreneur Patrick van der Eem.
See also:

     * No arrest warrant Joran

This 34-year-old Joran knowledge of floats since July 2003 on a franchise basis case snakes and slangkoppelingen in Almelo (under the name Pirtek), but lives in a recreatiebungalow in the Gelderse Lathum, east of Velp.

Van der Eem was born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a Water SPorts business. His brother who taught Joran van der Sloot and Patrick together. Patrick has himself last autumn when Peter R. De Vries. According to De Vries, Van der Eem a total of five months' undercoveroperatie "against Joran van der Sloot cooperated. He has a monthly expenses of Euro 5000, a total of 25,000 euros.

If home in the Netherlands, Van der Eem a bungalow in the 700-hectare recreation Rhederlaag in Lathum (Zevenaar town). On a 25-acre peninsula in the Rhedermeer lies the bungalow and villapark Riverparc with 350 Recreational. It is 15 minutes from Arnhem, the official residence of Joran van der Sloot. Last Friday he was still partying all evening in Arnhem discovered in Manhattan nightclub. Since Saturday he is hiding. From various sides was reported Saturday that he would stay in Drachten, but it turned out later to a persoonsverwisseling to go.

Van der Eem Almelose opened the establishment on July 14, 2003. Employs eight people. The company is located at the Van der Hoopweg on the industrial Turfkade A. Here yesterday was nobody in sight. Pirtek was reached at an emergency phone. The centralist did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, it was the news about the friendship between Van der Eem and Van der Sloot early penetrated. About Van der Eem were no data available.


to properly translate the bold text:

"through his brother, Patrick got to know Joran".

"the company knew about Patricks friendship with Joran already".
meaning: it was no surprise when the journalist called and asked for information.
this was the morning before the Peter R. de Vries broadcast.
[/quote]

Thanks caesu.

Janet
 
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 03:20:56 PM by ******* » 
 



Janet,

This is a discussion between you and caesu that refers to the article.  It does mention Patrick's bungalow in the Netherlands, but in the previous paragraph in mentions the water sports business that is owned by Patrick's brother on Aruba.  This is where Patrick and Joran are said to have had lessons together.  I was very careful with the words that I chose in my email to Patrick.  I did not accuse him of previously knowing Joran.  I told him that I was disappointed to learn that he had previously known Joran.  He hasn't denied previously knowing him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 01:30:01 PM
CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Thanks, CAPS

This thread is getting exhausting.  Can you give us some more information about what is going on in the Manserat/Lekker area?  We didn't know anything about a witness.  If you have a cell phone can you please send a picture or something to verify what is happening?  I think it would make things a lot easier.  Can you comment about Dave's email?  Is anyone looking at the pond?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 01:38:05 PM
SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.
Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 01:47:13 PM
CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Thanks, CAPS

This thread is getting exhausting.  Can you give us some more information about what is going on in the Manserat/Lekker area?  We didn't know anything about a witness.  If you have a cell phone can you please send a picture or something to verify what is happening?  I think it would make things a lot easier.  Can you comment about Dave's email?  Is anyone looking at the pond?

This article implies that Patrick met Joran prior to the casino meeting of last year?  Is there anybody who could translate the segment that implies the connection.  If not ... I will email it to my youngest son's Dutch American father-in-law.

SS ... the previous translation that Caps provided which implied that Patrick had a long term relationship with the VDS' was incorrect ... according to caesu response to Caps.

SS ... I am not a Patrick fan but ... I firmly believe that any accusations need to be verified. 

Janet

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Almelose zakenman ontfutselt bekentenis
zondag 03 februari 2008 | 08:24 | Laatst bijgewerkt op: maandag 28 april 2008 | 22:27


ALMELO - De man die namens misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries met behulp van een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot een ‘bekentenis’ heeft ontfutseld, is de van oorsprong Antilliaanse ondernemer Patrick van der Eem.

Deze 34-jarige kennis van Joran drijft sinds juli 2003 op franchise-basis een zaak in slangen en slangkoppelingen in Almelo (onder de naam Pirtek ), maar woont in een recreatiebungalow in het Gelderse Lathum, ten oosten van Velp.

Van der Eem is geboren op Curaçao. Een broer van hem woont op Aruba, waar hij een botenverhuurbedrijf heeft. Via die broer leerden Joran van der Sloot en Patrick elkaar kennen. Patrick heeft zich vorig najaar zelf bij Peter R. de Vries gemeld. Volgens De Vries heeft Van der Eem in totaal vijf maanden aan de ‘undercoveroperatie’ tegen Joran van der Sloot meegewerkt. Hij heeft daarvoor een maandelijkse onkostenvergoeding van 5000 euro ontvangen, in totaal dus 25.000 euro.

Als woning in Nederland heeft Van der Eem een bungalow in het 700 hectare grote recreatiegebied Rhederlaag in Lathum (gemeente Zevenaar). Op een 25 hectare groot schiereiland in het Rhedermeer ligt het bungalow- en villapark Riverparc met 350 recreatiewoningen. Het ligt op 15 autominuten van Arnhem, officieel de woonplaats van Joran van der Sloot. Afgelopen vrijdag werd hij in Arnhem nog feestend aangetroffen in discotheek Manhattan. Sinds zaterdag is hij ondergedoken. Van diverse zijden werd zaterdag gemeld dat hij in Drachten zou verblijven, maar dat bleek later om een persoonsverwisseling te gaan.

Van der Eem opende de Almelose vestiging op 14 juli 2003. Er werken acht mensen. De onderneming ligt aan de Van der Hoopweg op het industrieterrein Turfkade A. Hier was gisteren niemand te bekennen. Pirtek was wel telefonisch bereikbaar via een alarmcentrale. De centralist beschikte niet over informatie over de ondernemer. Wel was het nieuws over de vriendschap tussen Van der Eem en Van der Sloot al vroeg doorgedrongen. Over Van der Eem waren geen gegevens beschikbaar.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.
Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.


SS ... you are ignorning the following post which Caps submitted as proof to his claim that Patrick had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... caesu's response.

Something is not right.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

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Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 02:06:51 PM
SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.

Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.


SS ... Caps said it and ... you said it in your submission to Patrick's blog.  Then there is the issue about Patrick and the Kalpoe brothers being neighbours ...

Now if the "water sport" article implies a "direct" connection between Patrick and Joran ...


Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

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SS:

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

38.  April 18th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba.
 
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2008, 02:18:33 PM
SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet


I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.
Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.

SS,
If you are basing anything to do with "7 years" from Caps post, he stated in a response to my questioning it that the "7 years" was an error.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg371273#msg371273

Janet,
The altavista bablefish translation of the article says this:

Diddles consent to Almelose matter man
Sunday 03 February 2008 | 08.24 | Last updated on: Monday 28 April 2008 | 22.27

text size 
 
Joran of of the ditch with friends. Photograph DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

ALMELO - the man who freezes on behalf of crime report donor peter R. using a hidden camera Joran of of the ditch ‘a consent’ has diddled, of origin the antillian entrepreneur Patrick of of the Eem is.


See also:
No arrest warrant Joran
This 34 person whose birthday it is knowledge of Joran has floated a matter in snakes and snake links in Almelo (under the name Pirtek) since July 2003 on deduction from pension ous paym basis, but has lived in a recreation bungalow in gelderse Lathum, at east of Velp.


Of of the Eem is born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a boat rent company. By means of that brother Joran of of the ditch and Patrick learned know each other. Patrick have previous autumn himself at peter R. freeze themselves communicated. According to freeze of of the Eem in sum five months have cooperated in ‘’ the undercoveroperatie against Joran of of the ditch. He for that a monthly onkostenvergoeding from 5000 euro, in sum therefore 25,000 euro has received.


If house in the Netherlands has large recreation area Rhederlaag of of the Eem a bungalow in 700 hectares in Lathum (municipality seven ear). On 25 hectares large peninsula in the Rhedermeer bungalow lies - and villa park Riverparc with 350 recreation houses. It lies officially on 15 car minutes of arnhem, the place of residence of Joran of of the ditch. Last Friday he was still celebrating found in arnhem in discotheque Manhattan. Since Saturday he has gone into hiding. Of several sides Saturday was communicated that he would stay in drachten, but that appeared later a person permutation go.


Of of the Eem the Almelose opened establishment on 14 July there 2003. work eight people. The venture lies to of of the Hoopweg in the industry area the peat quay A. here was yesterday confess nobody. Pirtek were, however, telephone contactable by means of an emergency centre. The centre trick did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, the news concerning the friendship between of of the Eem and of of the ditch had penetrated already early. Concerning of of the Eem no data were available.


I hope this helps!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 08, 2008, 02:40:24 PM
From an email. FWIW...  :smt102


glenda posted:
The Damn in between Nacional's Field and Lekker is bone dry, it is not marked off at all. There are footprints and dog prints all the way through it. 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 08, 2008, 02:40:32 PM

<snipped>

If the Kalpoe father owns the VIP Club, then it appears Kawish Misier and the Kalpoes are related - with Baidjnath Misier being the Kalpoe father and uncle of Kawish Misier.  Is this correct CAPS?



Good Morning, Pita.

This is one of Cap's claims that I cannot make sense of. Dave was all over that place as were others who went to Aruba to investigate. How could none of them not know that the Kalpoe father owned the VIP?
Maybe it's just me.  ::MonkeyConfused::

This is correct,

I do not have dave book, but this is a good question, if Dave was there he must have met the Kalpoes Famaly via the VIP club. But this Lodge/Club is also used by the member of the "Sol Naciente" masons



Caps, it appears El Sol Naciente has its own building.  Why would they need to use the VIP?

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2pq74vo.jpg)

Our W.:M.: Stephen Daal
 

EXECUTIVE OFFICERS
Worshipful Master
 Stephen Daal
Deputy Master
 Karel Wever
Senior Warden
 Robert Spellen 
Junior Warden
 Adolph Croes
Chaplain
 Peter v. Grinsven
Secretary
 Agustin Vrolijk
Treasurer
 Ciro Heronimo 


SECONDARY OFFICERS
Master of Ceremonies
 Ruben Goedhoop
Inner Guard
 Rollyn Angela
Band master
 Dennis Wever
Banquet Master
 Charlie Lampe 
Under Secretary
 Gravil Mansur
Liberian
 Glenn Marugg
Preparator
 Roy van Putten 
Conductor
 Hubert Semeleer

http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/index1.htm




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 08, 2008, 02:45:39 PM
CAPS,

Do you still have the newspaper article that you showed us about Patrick's brother woning the water sports company where Patrick and Joran met before the casino in Holland?  We need to see it again, please.


http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Thanks, CAPS

This thread is getting exhausting.  Can you give us some more information about what is going on in the Manserat/Lekker area?  We didn't know anything about a witness.  If you have a cell phone can you please send a picture or something to verify what is happening?  I think it would make things a lot easier.  Can you comment about Dave's email?  Is anyone looking at the pond?

This article implies that Patrick met Joran prior to the casino meeting of last year?  Is there anybody who could translate the segment that implies the connection.  If not ... I will email it to my youngest son's Dutch American father-in-law.

SS ... the previous translation that Caps provided which implied that Patrick had a long term relationship with the VDS' was incorrect ... according to caesu response to Caps.

SS ... I am not a Patrick fan but ... I firmly believe that any accusations need to be verified. 

Janet

++++++++++++

Almelose zakenman ontfutselt bekentenis
zondag 03 februari 2008 | 08:24 | Laatst bijgewerkt op: maandag 28 april 2008 | 22:27


ALMELO - De man die namens misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries met behulp van een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot een ‘bekentenis’ heeft ontfutseld, is de van oorsprong Antilliaanse ondernemer Patrick van der Eem.

Deze 34-jarige kennis van Joran drijft sinds juli 2003 op franchise-basis een zaak in slangen en slangkoppelingen in Almelo (onder de naam Pirtek ), maar woont in een recreatiebungalow in het Gelderse Lathum, ten oosten van Velp.

Van der Eem is geboren op Curaçao. Een broer van hem woont op Aruba, waar hij een botenverhuurbedrijf heeft. Via die broer leerden Joran van der Sloot en Patrick elkaar kennen. Patrick heeft zich vorig najaar zelf bij Peter R. de Vries gemeld. Volgens De Vries heeft Van der Eem in totaal vijf maanden aan de ‘undercoveroperatie’ tegen Joran van der Sloot meegewerkt. Hij heeft daarvoor een maandelijkse onkostenvergoeding van 5000 euro ontvangen, in totaal dus 25.000 euro.

Als woning in Nederland heeft Van der Eem een bungalow in het 700 hectare grote recreatiegebied Rhederlaag in Lathum (gemeente Zevenaar). Op een 25 hectare groot schiereiland in het Rhedermeer ligt het bungalow- en villapark Riverparc met 350 recreatiewoningen. Het ligt op 15 autominuten van Arnhem, officieel de woonplaats van Joran van der Sloot. Afgelopen vrijdag werd hij in Arnhem nog feestend aangetroffen in discotheek Manhattan. Sinds zaterdag is hij ondergedoken. Van diverse zijden werd zaterdag gemeld dat hij in Drachten zou verblijven, maar dat bleek later om een persoonsverwisseling te gaan.

Van der Eem opende de Almelose vestiging op 14 juli 2003. Er werken acht mensen. De onderneming ligt aan de Van der Hoopweg op het industrieterrein Turfkade A. Hier was gisteren niemand te bekennen. Pirtek was wel telefonisch bereikbaar via een alarmcentrale. De centralist beschikte niet over informatie over de ondernemer. Wel was het nieuws over de vriendschap tussen Van der Eem en Van der Sloot al vroeg doorgedrongen. Over Van der Eem waren geen gegevens beschikbaar.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece




Janet,  first of all, I never accused Patrick of having a long term relationship with Joran.  I very carefully chose my words in that email.  I told Patrick that I was disappointed to learn that he had known Joran.  Patrick had every opportunity to correct what I had learned and he did not.  I also never used the term long term relationship.  I did say that I had learned that Patrick had known Joran.  Knowing someone and having a long term relationship are very different things.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 03:25:43 PM

Janet,  first of all, I never accused Patrick of having a long term relationship with Joran.  I very carefully chose my words in that email.  I told Patrick that I was disappointed to learn that he had known Joran.  Patrick had every opportunity to correct what I had learned and he did not.  I also never used the term long term relationship.  I did say that I had learned that Patrick had known Joran.  Knowing someone and having a long term relationship are very different things.


http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

38.  April 18th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba.
 


http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga


April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:


Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.

Greetings,
Jorik


PATRICK’S RESPONSE

Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: wreck on May 08, 2008, 05:34:00 PM
I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 08, 2008, 06:28:33 PM
I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO
I agree Wreck.....Its Very Easy in this thread to have Your words misunderstood...I don't think anyone is deliberately doing this it just happens sometimes.....I say lets get on with finding Justice for Natalee and forget all the bickering....I keep hoping that anyways.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: wreck on May 08, 2008, 06:32:31 PM
I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO
Maybe I should elaborate a little bit.............
I think many of us try to dissect people's words a little too precisely. Let's remember that many of our posters here (usually our newcomers and those we NEED to help us) do not speak English as their first language. Heck, English IS my language and I rarely get my intended thoughts out clearly!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 08, 2008, 07:30:28 PM
Hey CAPS, when you stop in again......

There was an interesting post on the front page about Tim Miller and TES going to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  #27 Guajiri writes:

There is a possible connection here, and I am surprised you guys haven’ noticed it yet.
On Nov 21 Joran gets arrested in Holland,
on Nov 24 he is flown to Aruba and
transported to KIA. He is released on Dec 7
Tromp who is perfectly fit and healthy goes missing on Nov 27.
He worked in KIA.
Is there a link here ?

CAPS, do you know anything about Jose Tromp working at KIA?  Do you think there is a possible connection here?

TIA, Helen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2008, 07:35:06 PM
Hello Mr Caps  ::MonkeyCool:: Any good jokes today? I need one!

I am curious how you knew Lorenzo was the first that was detained and questioned because my research brought me to that conclusion. I was told he was detained the first week,not sure if it had to do with the tip about the clothes in his basement or if it was something else. Several Arubans said he was the first name mentioned to them in this case as well. If you look at who was questioned on June 16th I think it's a clue about who was involved in this case,not just on that day but I believe the sequence of questioning tells the story.

Also how did you know his knick was Bulo? You ever party with this guy? I hear he use to throw down some big time parties! They say he use to work at Brights bakery but I don't see why he would,when he didn't seem to need to work a job like that at all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on May 08, 2008, 07:36:56 PM
I really hadn't followed this Shango thread much until the last few days in response to ******* posting the "Caps" revelation about the pond search -- now I wish I hadn't. What's with the bickering at one another here???? It's very unbecoming and disappointing. JMO

Yogi Berra: "this is like deja vu all over again"

re the current controversy here and w/ all due respect ...
in our eagerness to find resolution during the last 3 years
we have on occasion latched onto/trusted the wrong people

ie: Julia Renfro/who shared the nic Bondia w/ others
and Tito Lacle/various "locals" who were viewed as "good guys"

those who were suspicious of them/questioned their motives
were chastised and basically told to step off

in the cyber world, it's very easy to present yourself
as something other than what you are

those w/ suspicious minds may be right/may be wrong ...
time will tell ...
but they should be permitted to express their concern
w/o being judged and found deficient

IMO




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 08, 2008, 07:44:34 PM

FIrst of all Sorry,

This morning, the area from McDonald till lekker is being analyzed by those from Holand CSI. Also to the house of the witness is being analyzed.  They are also near the Brickel bay.
[/quote]

Thanks for the news, CAPS.  Can you tell us which witness? 

Helen







[/quote]

Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2008, 07:56:39 PM
PLEASE - I know I start each thread with this but I'd like everyone to watch and listen to why, after 3 years, we are still here.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 08, 2008, 08:09:01 PM
Thanks Klaas, we needed that!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 08, 2008, 08:13:25 PM
Thank You Klaas...Its All About Natalee!

We Stand With the Girl!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2008, 08:13:32 PM
Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?



Hi AZSunny,
I'm not Caps, but I believe Lekker is a restaurant.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 08, 2008, 08:50:25 PM
Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?



Hi AZSunny,
I'm not Caps, but I believe Lekker is a restaurant.

OK, thanks.  I wasn't sure if it was an area, or a street, or what.  I need that marked picture that i didn't save!  Any one know where it is that shows the ball field, and the pond?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 08, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Caps what is a lekker??? Is that a street?



Hi AZSunny,
I'm not Caps, but I believe Lekker is a restaurant.

LEKKER BAR & RESTAURANT  
 
Business address NOORD 39, NOORD 
Name of the company  IDAMCA N.V. 
Date of incorporation  23 MAY 1983 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
TSE, XIN PING;  
Residing in  MADIKI KAVEL 94, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  CHINA on 26 OCTOBER 1972 
Nationality   
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  11 APRIL 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   
WU, CUIWEI; 
Residing in  MADIKI KAVEL 94, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  CHINA on 9 OCTOBER 1977 
Nationality  CHINESE 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  3 JUNE 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 09:00:04 PM
SS ... I was just pointing out that CAPS research/sources DID NOT reveal that Patrick van der Eem had a long term relationship with the VDS' and ... that Patrick lived in Deepak and Satish neighbourhood.

Janet

I don't think it was said that they had a long term relationship.  I think it was that they had known each other for seven years.
Patrick had claimed at the time of the video release that he had met Joran for the first time in a casino in Holland, at which time he greeted Joran using the name "Murderer".  If they had done water sports together at Patrick's brother's business, then Patrick wasn't being honest.


SS

If you are basing anything to do with "7 years" from Caps post, he stated in a response to my questioning it that the "7 years" was an error.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg371273#msg371273

Janet,
The altavista bablefish translation of the article says this:

Diddles consent to Almelose matter man
Sunday 03 February 2008 | 08.24 | Last updated on: Monday 28 April 2008 | 22.27

text size 
 
Joran of of the ditch with friends. Photograph DUTCH PRESS AGENCY

ALMELO - the man who freezes on behalf of crime report donor peter R. using a hidden camera Joran of of the ditch ‘a consent’ has diddled, of origin the antillian entrepreneur Patrick of of the Eem is.


See also:
No arrest warrant Joran
This 34 person whose birthday it is knowledge of Joran has floated a matter in snakes and snake links in Almelo (under the name Pirtek) since July 2003 on deduction from pension ous paym basis, but has lived in a recreation bungalow in gelderse Lathum, at east of Velp.


Of of the Eem is born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a boat rent company. By means of that brother Joran of of the ditch and Patrick learned know each other. Patrick have previous autumn himself at peter R. freeze themselves communicated. According to freeze of of the Eem in sum five months have cooperated in ‘’ the undercoveroperatie against Joran of of the ditch. He for that a monthly onkostenvergoeding from 5000 euro, in sum therefore 25,000 euro has received.


If house in the Netherlands has large recreation area Rhederlaag of of the Eem a bungalow in 700 hectares in Lathum (municipality seven ear). On 25 hectares large peninsula in the Rhedermeer bungalow lies - and villa park Riverparc with 350 recreation houses. It lies officially on 15 car minutes of arnhem, the place of residence of Joran of of the ditch. Last Friday he was still celebrating found in arnhem in discotheque Manhattan. Since Saturday he has gone into hiding. Of several sides Saturday was communicated that he would stay in drachten, but that appeared later a person permutation go.


Of of the Eem the Almelose opened establishment on 14 July there 2003. work eight people. The venture lies to of of the Hoopweg in the industry area the peat quay A. here was yesterday confess nobody. Pirtek were, however, telephone contactable by means of an emergency centre. The centre trick did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, the news concerning the friendship between of of the Eem and of of the ditch had penetrated already early. Concerning of of the Eem no data were available.


I hope this helps!   ::MonkeyCool::

Thank Texasmom.

Nevertheless ... in April, 2008 SS' submission to Patrick's blog based on CAPS research stated ... "I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes ..."  Texasmom ...  CAPS research does not support either claim.

What bothered me is ... this morning SS was giving CAPS credit for that false info on the discussion forum rather than ... conceding that CAPS was in error.

I will be getting a literal translation of this article shortly.  My Dutch American DIL just emailed the article to her father to translate.  Her father does several translations from Dutch to English for members of the Dairy community that resides just south of the Canadian border.  Many of the 2nd and 3rd generation Dutch have relatives in Holland but ... do not have a clue concerning the written word of their Native tongue.  Neither does my DIL or her brothers.

When I get a full translation ... I will post it.

Janet




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 09:01:48 PM
Almelose zakenman ontfutselt bekentenis
zondag 03 februari 2008 | 08:24 | Laatst bijgewerkt op: maandag 28 april 2008 | 22:27


ALMELO - De man die namens misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries met behulp van een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot een ‘bekentenis’ heeft ontfutseld, is de van oorsprong Antilliaanse ondernemer Patrick van der Eem.

Deze 34-jarige kennis van Joran drijft sinds juli 2003 op franchise-basis een zaak in slangen en slangkoppelingen in Almelo (onder de naam Pirtek ), maar woont in een recreatiebungalow in het Gelderse Lathum, ten oosten van Velp.

Van der Eem is geboren op Curaçao. Een broer van hem woont op Aruba, waar hij een botenverhuurbedrijf heeft. Via die broer leerden Joran van der Sloot en Patrick elkaar kennen. Patrick heeft zich vorig najaar zelf bij Peter R. de Vries gemeld. Volgens De Vries heeft Van der Eem in totaal vijf maanden aan de ‘undercoveroperatie’ tegen Joran van der Sloot meegewerkt. Hij heeft daarvoor een maandelijkse onkostenvergoeding van 5000 euro ontvangen, in totaal dus 25.000 euro.

Als woning in Nederland heeft Van der Eem een bungalow in het 700 hectare grote recreatiegebied Rhederlaag in Lathum (gemeente Zevenaar). Op een 25 hectare groot schiereiland in het Rhedermeer ligt het bungalow- en villapark Riverparc met 350 recreatiewoningen. Het ligt op 15 autominuten van Arnhem, officieel de woonplaats van Joran van der Sloot. Afgelopen vrijdag werd hij in Arnhem nog feestend aangetroffen in discotheek Manhattan. Sinds zaterdag is hij ondergedoken. Van diverse zijden werd zaterdag gemeld dat hij in Drachten zou verblijven, maar dat bleek later om een persoonsverwisseling te gaan.

Van der Eem opende de Almelose vestiging op 14 juli 2003. Er werken acht mensen. De onderneming ligt aan de Van der Hoopweg op het industrieterrein Turfkade A. Hier was gisteren niemand te bekennen. Pirtek was wel telefonisch bereikbaar via een alarmcentrale. De centralist beschikte niet over informatie over de ondernemer. Wel was het nieuws over de vriendschap tussen Van der Eem en Van der Sloot al vroeg doorgedrongen. Over Van der Eem waren geen gegevens beschikbaar.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

++++++++++

Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 03:09:08 PM

Thanks Caps!

ALMELO - The man who act on behalf of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries using a hidden camera Joran van der Sloot a "confession" has ontfutseld, is the origin of Antillean entrepreneur Patrick van der Eem.

See also:

     * No arrest warrant Joran

This 34-year-old Joran knowledge of floats since July 2003 on a franchise basis case snakes and slangkoppelingen in Almelo (under the name Pirtek), but lives in a recreatiebungalow in the Gelderse Lathum, east of Velp.

Van der Eem was born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a Water SPorts business. His brother who taught Joran van der Sloot and Patrick together.  Patrick has himself last autumn when Peter R. De Vries. According to De Vries, Van der Eem a total of five months' undercoveroperatie "against Joran van der Sloot cooperated. He has a monthly expenses of Euro 5000, a total of 25,000 euros.

If home in the Netherlands, Van der Eem a bungalow in the 700-hectare recreation Rhederlaag in Lathum (Zevenaar town). On a 25-acre peninsula in the Rhedermeer lies the bungalow and villapark Riverparc with 350 Recreational. It is 15 minutes from Arnhem, the official residence of Joran van der Sloot. Last Friday he was still partying all evening in Arnhem discovered in Manhattan nightclub. Since Saturday he is hiding. From various sides was reported Saturday that he would stay in Drachten, but it turned out later to a persoonsverwisseling to go.

Van der Eem Almelose opened the establishment on July 14, 2003. Employs eight people. The company is located at the Van der Hoopweg on the industrial Turfkade A. Here yesterday was nobody in sight. Pirtek was reached at an emergency phone. The centralist did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, it was the news about the friendship between Van der Eem and Van der Sloot early penetrated. About Van der Eem were no data available.

to properly translate the bold text:

"through his brother, Patrick got to know Joran".

"the company knew about Patricks friendship with Joran already".
meaning: it was no surprise when the journalist called and asked for information.

this was the morning before the Peter R. de Vries broadcast[/color]

+++++++++++




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 08, 2008, 10:58:20 PM
My I please request that we get over this debate regarding 7 years, and if you are chosing to respond to this, please do not quote the entire quote, one posting is taking two pages to read through. I think you can state an opionion without quoting something to back up your statement unless someone asks for it.  JMO but I am tired of scrolling past the same damn comments over and over. sorry...it is making me pissy. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 08, 2008, 11:13:12 PM
Request granted!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 08, 2008, 11:24:26 PM
35: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 5:48 pm

The simplicity of Occams Razor is often outweighed by the complexity of maintaining factors in an elemental state

************

Found the 90-10 mentioned by Caps today interesting...there's a blog named after the above.....let's keep it simple and stay the course...jmo...of course..  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 08, 2008, 11:33:41 PM
Request granted!



Thank you I appreciate it.  It is hard catching up after working all day.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 01:24:32 AM
For those who is in doubt.

ALMELO - De man die namens misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries met behulp van een verborgen camera Joran van der Sloot een ‘bekentenis’ heeft ontfutseld, is de van oorsprong Antilliaanse ondernemer Patrick van der Eem.

Amelo - The man, according on the crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, who with the help of hidden camera have secure a confession from Joran van der Sloot, is the result of an Antillian business man Patric van der Eem

Deze 34-jarige kennis van Joran drijft sinds juli 2003 op franchise-basis een zaak in slangen en slangkoppelingen in Almelo (onder de naam Pirtek ), maar woont in een recreatiebungalow in het Gelderse Lathum, ten oosten van Velp.

This 34 year old acuantance of Joran operated since July 2003 on franchise basis a Hose and hose copling business in Almelo (under the name of Pirtek), but he lives in a recreational housing complex in Gelderse Lathun, east of Velp.

Van der Eem is geboren op Curaçao. Een broer van hem woont op Aruba, waar hij een botenverhuurbedrijf heeft. Via die broer leerden Joran van der Sloot en Patrick elkaar kennen. Patrick heeft zich vorig najaar zelf bij Peter R. de Vries gemeld. Volgens De Vries heeft Van der Eem in totaal vijf maanden aan de ‘undercoveroperatie’ tegen Joran van der Sloot meegewerkt. Hij heeft daarvoor een maandelijkse onkostenvergoeding van 5000 euro ontvangen, in totaal dus 25.000 euro.

Van der Eem was born in Curacao. A brother of him lives in Aruba, whereby he the owner of boot rental business. Via his brother did Patrick and Joran became acquaintance and know each other.
Patrick himself did last year got in touch / reported to Peter R. vries. According to De Vries Patrick have spend a total of 5 months in the undercover operation against Joran. For that, he was paid on a monthly bases the sum of 5000 euro for expenses. In Total the sum of 25.000 euro. 
 

Als woning in Nederland heeft Van der Eem een bungalow in het 700 hectare grote recreatiegebied Rhederlaag in Lathum (gemeente Zevenaar). Op een 25 hectare groot schiereiland in het Rhedermeer ligt het bungalow- en villapark Riverparc met 350 recreatiewoningen. Het ligt op 15 autominuten van Arnhem, officieel de woonplaats van Joran van der Sloot. Afgelopen vrijdag werd hij in Arnhem nog feestend aangetroffen in discotheek Manhattan. Sinds zaterdag is hij ondergedoken. Van diverse zijden werd zaterdag gemeld dat hij in Drachten zou verblijven, maar dat bleek later om een persoonsverwisseling te gaan.


As housing in the Netherlands, Patrick van Eem owns a smallhouse in this 700 acre recreational area of Rhderlaag in Lathum (county of Zevenaar). on a peace of 25 Hecta acre island in Rhedermeer their is a small housing and villapark called Riverparc with 350 recreational homes. It is 15 minute automobile drive from Arnhem, the official Joran van der Sloot residence. Last Friday, he was seen  to be partying in the discotheque call Manhatan. Sinds Saturday, he has dissapear. From several sources, it was reported Saturday that he was staying in Drachten, but that seem to be a mistaken Identity case.

Van der Eem opende de Almelose vestiging op 14 juli 2003. Er werken acht mensen. De onderneming ligt aan de Van der Hoopweg op het industrieterrein Turfkade A. Hier was gisteren niemand te bekennen. Pirtek was wel telefonisch bereikbaar via een alarmcentrale. De centralist beschikte niet over informatie over de ondernemer. Wel was het nieuws over de vriendschap tussen Van der Eem en Van der Sloot al vroeg doorgedrongen. Over Van der Eem waren geen gegevens beschikbaar.

Van der Eem established his business on July 14, 2003. The where 8 workers. The business location is in Van der Hoopweg on this industry terrain Turfkade A. At this place yesterday was no one to be fond. But Pirtek was reachable via telephone from a central Alarm service operator. The operator of this central Alarm service did not have any information of the Business owner.But what was convey is that the friendship between Van Eem and Van der Sloot for a long time existed. About van Eem Self there was no information available.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 02:25:28 AM
For those that are still in doubt. Research from holland.


http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6615

PATRICK: Ja,..maar kijk,.. aangezien ik hem al zoveel jaren ken, kon ik het niet opbrengen om met mezelf te leven, terwijl ik wist dat hij hierin betrokken was en gewoon het gevoel had dat ik iets moest doen. Snap je? Hij had gewoon behoefte om zijn stem te laten horen en daar heb ik gebruik van gemaakt. Zeven maanden lang.

PATRICK: Yes,..but look....since I know him for a long time, I could not live with my self, Meanwhile knowing that he was involved, I got the feeling that I had to do something. Do you understand? He needed his voice to be heart and I took this as an opportunity for seven months.

Van der Eem zou Joran van der Sloot dus ‘zoveel jaren kennen’. Dat is in tegenspraak met zijn verhaal dat hij Joran voor het eerst ontmoette in het casino in Nijmegen. De operatie nam volgens Van der Eem zeven maanden in beslag. Bij Pauw en Witteman stelde Van der Eem dat voordat hij zich bij Peter R. de Vries meldde (eind oktober 2007) hij anderhalve maand met Joran in de weer was geweest. In het programma Jensen! dat gisteravond werd uitgezonden had Van der Eem het ook over zeven maanden.

Van der Eem "know Joran for a long time". This is against the story that he says that he first met with Joran for the first time in the casino in Nijmegen. The operation according to Van der Eem took 7 months time. On the Pauw and Witteman Patrick is saying that before he approche Peter R. de Vries (end October 2007) he and Joran hang out for more that one and half month. In the program Jensen! that was transmitted yesterday, He had said again now that it is zeven months.


Now who do you believe. ????


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 02:43:05 AM
Hey CAPS, when you stop in again......

There was an interesting post on the front page about Tim Miller and TES going to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  #27 Guajiri writes:

There is a possible connection here, and I am surprised you guys haven’ noticed it yet.
On Nov 21 Joran gets arrested in Holland,
on Nov 24 he is flown to Aruba and
transported to KIA. He is released on Dec 7
Tromp who is perfectly fit and healthy goes missing on Nov 27.
He worked in KIA.
Is there a link here ?

CAPS, do you know anything about Jose Tromp working at KIA?  Do you think there is a possible connection here?

TIA, Helen


Know the man for 18 months, spent some times talking to him. but this should be in it own tread... has notting to do with the Natalee case. some times if a member do not pay the debt, they will collect in other form. he vanish from the radar. this is the work of the Bifrons.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 08:12:25 AM
Hi Caps, hey I have a question.

Didn't Patrick's brother own a watersports business? I have a bunch of info on a guy named Charles Dasher, who owned a watersports business on Palm Beach.... could there be any connection here? I don't want to post stuff that is totally irrelevant.

Thanks


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 09, 2008, 10:39:59 AM
Hey CAPS, when you stop in again......

There was an interesting post on the front page about Tim Miller and TES going to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  #27 Guajiri writes:

There is a possible connection here, and I am surprised you guys haven’ noticed it yet.
On Nov 21 Joran gets arrested in Holland,
on Nov 24 he is flown to Aruba and
transported to KIA. He is released on Dec 7
Tromp who is perfectly fit and healthy goes missing on Nov 27.
He worked in KIA.
Is there a link here ?

CAPS, do you know anything about Jose Tromp working at KIA?  Do you think there is a possible connection here?

TIA, Helen


Know the man for 18 months, spent some times talking to him. but this should be in it own tread... has notting to do with the Natalee case. some times if a member do not pay the debt, they will collect in other form. he vanish from the radar. this is the work of the Bifrons.

Thanks, CAPS.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2008, 01:07:53 PM
For those that are still in doubt. Research from holland.


http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6615

PATRICK: Ja,..maar kijk,.. aangezien ik hem al zoveel jaren ken, kon ik het niet opbrengen om met mezelf te leven, terwijl ik wist dat hij hierin betrokken was en gewoon het gevoel had dat ik iets moest doen. Snap je? Hij had gewoon behoefte om zijn stem te laten horen en daar heb ik gebruik van gemaakt. Zeven maanden lang.

PATRICK: Yes,..but look....since I know him for a long time, I could not live with my self, Meanwhile knowing that he was involved, I got the feeling that I had to do something. Do you understand? He needed his voice to be heart and I took this as an opportunity for seven months.

Van der Eem zou Joran van der Sloot dus ‘zoveel jaren kennen’. Dat is in tegenspraak met zijn verhaal dat hij Joran voor het eerst ontmoette in het casino in Nijmegen. De operatie nam volgens Van der Eem zeven maanden in beslag. Bij Pauw en Witteman stelde Van der Eem dat voordat hij zich bij Peter R. de Vries meldde (eind oktober 2007) hij anderhalve maand met Joran in de weer was geweest. In het programma Jensen! dat gisteravond werd uitgezonden had Van der Eem het ook over zeven maanden.

Van der Eem "know Joran for a long time". This is against the story that he says that he first met with Joran for the first time in the casino in Nijmegen. The operation according to Van der Eem took 7 months time. On the Pauw and Witteman Patrick is saying that before he approche Peter R. de Vries (end October 2007) he and Joran hang out for more that one and half month. In the program Jensen! that was transmitted yesterday, He had said again now that it is zeven months.


Now who do you believe. ????


Hang in there CAPS

ribbit




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
I am confused.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 09, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
Hi Caps, hey I have a question.

Didn't Patrick's brother own a watersports business? I have a bunch of info on a guy named Charles Dasher, who owned a watersports business on Palm Beach.... could there be any connection here? I don't want to post stuff that is totally irrelevant.

Thanks

INNES WATERSPORTS 
 
Business address PALM BEACH 394, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  INNES WATERSPORTS 
Date of commencement  1 FEBRUARY 2002 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 4 JULY 2007   
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
VAN DER EEM, PERRY INNES;  
Residing in  PALM BEACH 394, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 20 JULY 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  17 OCTOBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 03:10:23 PM
Hi Caps, hey I have a question.

Didn't Patrick's brother own a watersports business? I have a bunch of info on a guy named Charles Dasher, who owned a watersports business on Palm Beach.... could there be any connection here? I don't want to post stuff that is totally irrelevant.

Thanks

INNES WATERSPORTS 
 
Business address PALM BEACH 394, NOORD 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  INNES WATERSPORTS 
Date of commencement  1 FEBRUARY 2002 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 4 JULY 2007   
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
VAN DER EEM, PERRY INNES;  
Residing in  PALM BEACH 394, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 20 JULY 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  17 OCTOBER 2002 
Authority  FULL 
   


I don't see Charles Dasher in any of that information.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 05:37:20 PM
update info to all who think patrick is a ........

Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down.

van der Eem   Patrick P      4/1/1973   Curacao      Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem   Perry I      7/20/1971Curacao      Seroe Pita 7A

Kalpoe   Bodjhperkash S         5/2/1964   Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera

Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. 

in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business.

in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal.

To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE  and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse.

SACREFICE
SCAREFACE

More to come....




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2008, 06:37:54 PM
How old is Patrick Van der em (sp?)?????? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
How old is Patrick Van der em (sp?)?????? 

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1

Snip

Article dated: Feb. 4, 2008

In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Patrick van der Eem, 34, described in detail how he painstakingly gained the young Dutch suspect's trust, took his suspicions to Holland's leading investigative reporter and began a sting operation that led to van der Sloot's caught-on-camera admissions that he panicked when Holloway had what he describes as a seizure during a sexual encounter and called a friend who came and took the body out to sea.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2008, 06:53:10 PM
How old is Patrick Van der em (sp?)?????? 

Is 4/1/1973 his birthdate?  I was confusing it with a date of residence, I think.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2008, 06:58:00 PM
How old is Patrick Van der em (sp?)?????? 

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1

Snip

Article dated: Feb. 4, 2008

In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Patrick van der Eem, 34, described in detail how he painstakingly gained the young Dutch suspect's trust, took his suspicions to Holland's leading investigative reporter and began a sting operation that led to van der Sloot's caught-on-camera admissions that he panicked when Holloway had what he describes as a seizure during a sexual encounter and called a friend who came and took the body out to sea.



Thanks, texasmom....this is what I was remembering.   I read the date as refering to residence at first and thought 'he was an infant then'....

If this is all true, 14 C & 14 F.....close enough to see the car being cleaned, imo.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 07:04:43 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 09, 2008, 07:36:36 PM


Caps…« Reply #1486 on: May 08, 2008, 02:34:17 AM »

Snipped:

Hans Mos is a prosecuter and is NOT on the list. Judges are on the list. This man is not on the list but he is the one that will build your case (for a guilty or not guilty outcome). Caps loves his Freedome. DANGER ZONE HERE. Have got a photo (Patient)
Snipped:

90-10 rule   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 09, 2008, 07:56:55 PM
update info to all who think patrick is a ........

Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down.

van der Eem   Patrick P      4/1/1973   Curacao      Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem   Perry I      7/20/1971Curacao      Seroe Pita 7A

Kalpoe   Bodjhperkash S         5/2/1964   Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera

Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. 

in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business.

in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal.

To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE  and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse.

SACREFICE
SCAREFACE

More to come....



Caps,

Is there a way to verify how this Kalpoe family is related to Deepak and Satish? My understanding is that their father is an airport employee in Suriname.

I don't think Patrick had anything to do with the name, Pirtek. He only owns a franchise, right?

http://www.pirtek.com/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 09, 2008, 08:00:00 PM
I'M NOW LOST ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 08:06:23 PM
Well!  I guess I am stupid as one of our other posters claims...all this time I thought the Kalpoes address began with the number 91B....boy, I missed that address.  I really need to slink back into my corner now. :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 08:21:37 PM
How old is Patrick Van der em (sp?)?????? 

Is 4/1/1973 his birthdate?  I was confusing it with a date of residence, I think.



I wish you guy are in Aruba and see thing for your self. I do not make things up and I am not here to debate with everyone who have some sort of info and want to defent it.

The data come from the Official registry of Aruba and the MAP is the official kadastral planning of aruba. all building are on it with address.

Now if you are getting right datas and are compring it to what they have told everyone who posted here then I can say this, just choose what best that fits your investigation. I use official data and not from what people tell me. If I got a tibit of info, I will research it, using official maps and official data from the Aruba registry. Not AzV, nor Elmar, Nor KVK.

Also thet address in Seroe Patrishi has a history with Patrick. (the lost young souls) 

Back to work.
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/k4d06v.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 08:29:04 PM
update info to all who think patrick is a ........

Look at the address and look at the Government MAP. Patric and the Kalpoes where neighbours and not living 2 housed down.

van der Eem   Patrick P      4/1/1973   Curacao      Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem   Perry I      7/20/1971Curacao      Seroe Pita 7A

Kalpoe   Bodjhperkash S         5/2/1964   Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

In 2001 Patric was already register in aruba living in Seroe Patrishi 14F while his brother Parry lived in Seroe Pita 7A. Perry live in the District of Paradera

Patric, on the other hand lived in Seroe Patrishi and was the neighbour of the Kalpoes in 2001 already. He must known these kids when they were in there teens and must have spend time with them. 

in 2003 he moved to holland and established a business which suppose to have 8 workers but no one is working the business.

in 2007 he goes after Joran to get some more out of him or was trying to make a fool of the Americans and at the same time make some money or book deal.

To much of coincidence of SCAREFACE or SACREFICE  and his name of the company PirTek = PaTrec same type of changing letter to confuse.

SACREFICE
SCAREFACE

More to come....



Caps,

Is there a way to verify how this Kalpoe family is related to Deepak and Satish? My understanding is that their father is an airport employee in Suriname.

I don't think Patrick had anything to do with the name, Pirtek. He only owns a franchise, right?

http://www.pirtek.com/


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 09, 2008, 08:44:09 PM


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.

He must be busy with his bestseller.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 08:54:18 PM


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.

He must be busy with his bestseller.  :roll:

From inside OM, he can not publish anything....OM put a zip on his mount. and so is Poentje Catro. they can't talk no more... He can talk NO more. He played a card and Lost.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 08:57:02 PM


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.

He must be busy with his bestseller.  :roll:

From inside OM, he can not publish anything....OM put a zip on his mount. and so is Poentje Catro. they can't talk no more... He can talk NO more. He played a card and Lost.


He is already taking pre-orders for his book which comes out June 25th. It's on sale for $23 U.S  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://patrickvandereem.nl/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 08:59:13 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 09:05:01 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/UNKNOWNMALEWITHUPCLASSOFARUBA2.jpg)

Is Marisol there? She is number two ya know.

And Briesen being there tells you who pulls the strings.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes

Louis Ramirez is the Kalpoe brothers stepfather.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 09, 2008, 09:07:11 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 09:08:27 PM
******* please transfer that post and delete this one. I did it again.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have no idea why when I sign back in it sends me to another thread.... maybe cause I have so many open???  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks again..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 09:11:47 PM


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.

He must be busy with his bestseller.  :roll:

From inside OM, he can not publish anything....OM put a zip on his mount. and so is Poentje Catro. they can't talk no more... He can talk NO more. He played a card and Lost.


He is already taking pre-orders for his book which comes out June 25th. It's on sale for $23 U.S  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://patrickvandereem.nl/
it is not true either, there is not a water where Paules used to live. The forgot a thing, Joran was pickup at Mcdonald and here are withness.

He will sell his book but it is also not the true story. I know the people for a long time over in Montana and there is no well.   Talk to the old people the semeleers that live in the area before the kalpoes came to live in that area.

No well. There is a well that they could have used but it is not in the area., but than Joran did not need to walk to Mcdonalds passing infornt of the withness house that night where the dogs where barking because he was cover all in mud.

Why write a book telling a lie... Make you look a fool.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 09:15:39 PM


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.

He must be busy with his bestseller.  :roll:

From inside OM, he can not publish anything....OM put a zip on his mount. and so is Poentje Catro. they can't talk no more... He can talk NO more. He played a card and Lost.


He is already taking pre-orders for his book which comes out June 25th. It's on sale for $23 U.S  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://patrickvandereem.nl/
it is not true either, there is not a water well where Paules used to live. They forgot a thing, Joran was pickup at Mcdonald and here are withness.

He will sell his book but it is also not the true story. I know the people for a long time over in Montana and there is no well.   Talk to the old people the Semeleers that live in the area before the Sloots came to live in that area.

No well. There is a well that they could have used but it is not in the area., but than Joran did not need to walk to Mcdonalds passing infornt of the withness house that night where the dogs where barking because he was cover all in mud.

Why write a book telling a lie... Make you look a fool.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 09:24:40 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B



This is who lived at the Address

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B   this is a Surienam  
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960                Aruba            Hooiberg 91B

The onlt problem with this is No Nadira


Search was done based on the Hooiberg 91-B


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 09:24:54 PM


Yes, but it is not in operation. had friends in holland checked it out.

He must be busy with his bestseller.  :roll:

From inside OM, he can not publish anything....OM put a zip on his mount. and so is Poentje Catro. they can't talk no more... He can talk NO more. He played a card and Lost.


He is already taking pre-orders for his book which comes out June 25th. It's on sale for $23 U.S  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://patrickvandereem.nl/
it is not true either, there is not a water where Paules used to live. The forgot a thing, Joran was pickup at Mcdonald and here are withness.

He will sell his book but it is also not the true story. I know the people for a long time over in Montana and there is no well.   Talk to the old people the semeleers that live in the area before the kalpoes came to live in that area.

No well. There is a well that they could have used but it is not in the area., but than Joran did not need to walk to Mcdonalds passing infornt of the withness house that night where the dogs where barking because he was cover all in mud.

Why write a book telling a lie... Make you look a fool.




Early in the case there were reports of PVDS being seen at the Mcdonalds and making ATM withdrawls. That was at  3-4am that was also the same time as the rumored 2 calls from Natalee to friends VM and the answering machine at home. Also the same time PVDS told people he picked up Natalee and Joran from the Mcdonalds. Interesting  that you say there is witness and seeing him in covered in mud. Where has he been for 3 years?  ::MonkeyConfused::

As far as Patrick's book and video,it has been nothing but profitable for him. He did a great service to Aruba and on top of it he will make out huge. He has a smileyface scar on his face he got from the Mob and he is a big time rat. Why would he care if he the book is all fiction and BS? Does he have a reputation to protect?  ::MonkeyLaugh:: It hasn't stopped all the other Joran supporters like Gielen and Renfro. Heck even the suspects lie through there teeth and they get paid by TV shows and books. Patrick is gonna laugh all the way to the Bank.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 09:30:55 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B



This is who lived at the Address

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B   this is a Surienam  
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960                Aruba            Hooiberg 91B

The onlt problem with this is No Nadira


Search was done based on the Hooiberg 91-B

Now if luis Ramirez was married to Nadira, then there offsping would have been Ramirez.

But Statish and Deepak these are carring Kalpoes.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 09, 2008, 09:37:50 PM
today I met with someone that knows where the Kalpoes lived and h

any one has the adress of where the witness saw kalpoe washing his car.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 10:03:25 PM
today I met with someone that knows where the Kalpoes lived and h

any one has the adress of where the witness saw kalpoe washing his car.

One of the witnesses lived right next to the Kalpoes. Greta even interviewed him on video last year.

These are 2004 Aruba plates,but I am not sure if the photo was taken then or during June 2005. The plates were blue on June 10th when they impounded the Car

(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3324/fgggfg22aq4.png) (http://imageshack.us)


 What kind of a car does Deepak have?

My brother has a Honda Civic, colour grey, built in 1999 I think and I don't know the license plate number.

When did Deepak buy the car?

According to me Deepak bought the car two years ago. I don't know when exactly.

From who did Deepak buy this car?

Deepak bought the car from a boy named David. I don't know further details about David. David lives on Aruba.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 09, 2008, 10:07:48 PM
today I met with someone that knows where the Kalpoes lived and h

any one has the adress of where the witness saw kalpoe washing his car.

According to Greta, this is the the Kalpoe house.....

We Learned Something New In The Natalee Holloway Investigation
by Greta Van Susteren

Today we learned something new in the Natalee Holloway investigation….the two pictures below will help you understand (but you will need to watch at 10pm  (ON THE RECORD) to understand the context…and it would take too long to explain in this blog)….so take a good look at these pictures, watch tonight at 10pm and go back to these pictures for reference….the house with lime green front is the Kalpoe residence….and we learned our information after speaking with a neighbor - reluctant witness neighbor is how I would characterize the neighbor….the neighbor told us something …a piece of the puzzle?? tune in tonight..10pm eastern..ON THE RECORD

(http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/house1.jpg)

(http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/house2.jpg)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/27/we-learned-something-new-in-the-natalee-holloway-investigation/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2008, 10:28:54 PM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B



This is who lived at the Address

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B   this is a Surienam  
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960                Aruba            Hooiberg 91B

The onlt problem with this is No Nadira


Search was done based on the Hooiberg 91-B

Now if luis Ramirez was married to Nadira, then there offsping would have been Ramirez.

But Statish and Deepak these are carring Kalpoes.



Caps,
Perhaps the Kalpoe brothers and their mother moved to Aruba, lived at the first address and then moved to the Ramirez residence following the mother (Nadira's) marriage to Ramirez.  I've never read anywhere how long Nadira and Luis have been married.  If you have access to marriage records, maybe you can check that out.  Luis Antonio Ramirez birthdate May 2, 1960.  I don't have Nadira's birthdate.  But if the chamber records are correct Luis was born in Aruba so maybe you can find the marriage information there also.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on May 09, 2008, 11:21:02 PM
I remember reading in the beginning of the case that
the Kalpoes' mother left them with her mother in Suriname
and moved to Aruba where she married Raminez. At the time
that Natalee disappeared the brothers Deepak and Satish
had only been on Aruba for about 2 years.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2008, 11:31:47 PM
I remember reading in the beginning of the case that
the Kalpoes' mother left them with her mother in Suriname
and moved to Aruba where she married Raminez. At the time
that Natalee disappeared the brothers Deepak and Satish
had only been on Aruba for about 2 years.

Thanks Magnolia!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on May 10, 2008, 12:11:51 AM

I've never read anywhere how long Nadira and Luis have been married.  If you have access to marriage records, maybe you can check that out.  Luis Antonio Ramirez birthdate May 2, 1960.  I don't have Nadira's birthdate.  But if the chamber records are correct Luis was born in Aruba so maybe you can find the marriage information there also.

I remember reading in the beginning of the case that the Kalpoes' mother left them with her mother in Suriname and moved to Aruba where she married Raminez. At the time that Natalee disappeared the brothers Deepak and Satish had only been on Aruba for about 2 years.

there is a photo from the wedding

IIRC the Kalpoe sister and one of the K2 are in the photo ...
it is relatively recent: the Kalpoe bro in the photo is not a child

photobucket, anyone?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 12:22:30 AM
I screen capped this from the Greta interview with Nadira in the Kalpoe home in 2005.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/kalpoefamilyes0.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on May 10, 2008, 12:33:23 AM

thank you, esteemed *******!

that gives some idea re timeframe of the wedding, yes?



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 12:34:59 AM

thank you, esteemed *******!

that gives some idea re timeframe of the wedding, yes?



YW and Yes..I think they were married sometime between 2003-2005..IMO


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 10, 2008, 12:52:08 AM
Didn't Deepak get to Aruba in about 2002? I thought Nadira said that Deepak came first (he was there for three years) and then Satish 18 months later. Nadira probably said that Satish needed "special" schooling... and look where that got him. LOL . . . is he still in school?

And Caps, don't you have listings there for Curacao for other Kalpoes? That's not the right family I think...or do I have this wrong?

TIA



What is the date of birth of Nadira.. or her last name... there is a Nadira R at Seroe Patrishi 42. not to far from the Kalpoes

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B



This is who lived at the Address

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B   this is a Surienam  
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960                Aruba            Hooiberg 91B

The onlt problem with this is No Nadira


Search was done based on the Hooiberg 91-B

Now if luis Ramirez was married to Nadira, then there offsping would have been Ramirez.

But Statish and Deepak these are carring Kalpoes.



Caps,
Perhaps the Kalpoe brothers and their mother moved to Aruba, lived at the first address and then moved to the Ramirez residence following the mother (Nadira's) marriage to Ramirez.  I've never read anywhere how long Nadira and Luis have been married.  If you have access to marriage records, maybe you can check that out.  Luis Antonio Ramirez birthdate May 2, 1960.  I don't have Nadira's birthdate.  But if the chamber records are correct Luis was born in Aruba so maybe you can find the marriage information there also.

tou see I tought about that and thats why I am using a database from August 2005. If I use a database from now, many poepole would have change.

I just came back from Hooiberg 91, There is 3 houses in a line, the first is a Flowershop then a house 91-A and then the so called Kalpoe House 91B. Well the database show that only 2 people live at the address or registerd. The DOB is correct. But where is the Mother.

The boy was recognized by the father and caried Kalpoe. Under the name Nadira R. there is only one and she live beside the Kalpoes Seroe Patrishi Adress 41. This Nadira last name is Farro.

Remember to make it excact, I am using a database of august 2005 so everyone who was in aruba living in 2005 address and info should match. the MAP has permanent building on it and those do not move. The address of that database is set.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 10, 2008, 01:29:27 AM
today I met with someone that knows where the Kalpoes lived and h

any one has the adress of where the witness saw kalpoe washing his car.

According to Greta, this is the the Kalpoe house.....

We Learned Something New In The Natalee Holloway Investigation
by Greta Van Susteren

Today we learned something new in the Natalee Holloway investigation….the two pictures below will help you understand (but you will need to watch at 10pm  (ON THE RECORD) to understand the context…and it would take too long to explain in this blog)….so take a good look at these pictures, watch tonight at 10pm and go back to these pictures for reference….the house with lime green front is the Kalpoe residence….and we learned our information after speaking with a neighbor - reluctant witness neighbor is how I would characterize the neighbor….the neighbor told us something …a piece of the puzzle?? tune in tonight..10pm eastern..ON THE RECORD

(http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/house1.jpg)

(http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/house2.jpg)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/27/we-learned-something-new-in-the-natalee-holloway-investigation/

There is one thing with the Picture or who said that they saw Kalpoe washing the car.

Looking at the picture, the house is last in the row of three house. the photo no matther how you take it will no show the car since it is off the last house and on the right side car port. from that point the other house will not see someone washing a car.

The drive way of the house is on the right had side of the house. looking at the picture and what  I have seen tonight, it would be dificult for a witness to see them washing the car.


here is is layout of the area in question


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 10, 2008, 01:53:51 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Nadira-1.jpg)

http://www.tourmanchebo.com/staff.shtml


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 10, 2008, 02:09:34 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Nadira-1.jpg)

http://www.tourmanchebo.com/staff.shtml

ok, tomorrow will be a pina colada day. and some sunblock, shades and then info.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 10, 2008, 02:19:56 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Nadira-1.jpg)

http://www.tourmanchebo.com/staff.shtml

ok, tomorrow will be a pina colada day. and some sunblock, shades and then info.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

She was terminated, Caps, but I bet she is remembered by others who work there and the pina colada sounds good anyway.
Have one for me too. :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 10, 2008, 03:24:04 AM
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Nadira-1.jpg)

http://www.tourmanchebo.com/staff.shtml

ok, tomorrow will be a pina colada day. and some sunblock, shades and then info.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

She was terminated, Caps, but I bet she is remembered by others who work there and the pina colada sounds good anyway.
Have one for me too. :lol:

VMs I still have a problem with the time he came in aruba

read this

ORANJESTAD--- "The firing of Nadira Ramirez, the mother of Statish [sic] and Deepak Kalpoe, has nothing to do with the Holloway-case or the fact that she is the mother of the brothers Kalpoe", so explains Ike Cohen, director of the Manchebo Hotel.

Hereby Cohen reacts to the expressions of Ramirez in a morning newspaper that says that her firing relates to the Holloway-case. Cohen: "We have given Mrs. Ramirez the reasons for the firings, both verbally and in writing It is not up to us make the reasons for this firing public, since we are of the opinion that it would violate the privacy of Mrs. Ramirez.

The alleged reason that Ramirez was fired would have been fraud. After being off from her work on Monday and Tuesday because of the freeing of her sons Ramirez appeared Wednesday again at her work in the Steakhouse of Manchebo. She was called to the Management, her thinking was that she would have been congratulated. This was not the case. In presence of her highest boss Cohen was she told that she was fired. The alleged fraud would have been committed when she cancelled orders that the clients ate or drank, thus Ramirez would have allegedly put the money in her own pocket. Ramirez denies to have committed fraud and is thinking of fighting her ficanceledring. Ramirez worked nine years in the Steakhouse at Manchebo


Now in 2005 she was fired minus 9 year in aruba, will put her in Aruba in 1995 already. that means her name must be in the database in 2005. in 1995 her older son would have been 10 year old.


Lets asume her firt son was born in 1985 and asume she was in her 20 tees then she must have been born in 1965 at least.

the only person that I can come up with that is Surinam and with the name of Nadira with a DOB range in the sixtees

Arjun   Nadira   5/14/1958   Distr. Nickerie   Weg Rooi Hundo 110C
Arjun   Sjehnaaz   9/22/1979   districkt Nickerie   Weg Rooi Hundo 110C

The problem with this is that she live in San Nicolaas. The other end of the Island.

Now looking that the picture, she look like an older women. and maybe they they were looking that the wrong Nadira from the beginning. this only means that the real Nadira do not exisit.

If she was in Aruba in 1996 and worked for Manchebo for 9 years she must have been register in Aruba Database.

There must be a lot on the mothers but no real DOB. No record in Registry in 2005 and looking in 2001 neither.But was working for 8 years at the Manchebo.

Now this Nadira at the Manchebo do not have a last name either. go wonder.

We are in 3 year and we have doubt who their mother is.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2008, 07:56:44 AM
today I met with someone that knows where the Kalpoes lived and h

any one has the adress of where the witness saw kalpoe washing his car.

According to Greta, this is the the Kalpoe house.....

We Learned Something New In The Natalee Holloway Investigation
by Greta Van Susteren

Today we learned something new in the Natalee Holloway investigation….the two pictures below will help you understand (but you will need to watch at 10pm  (ON THE RECORD) to understand the context…and it would take too long to explain in this blog)….so take a good look at these pictures, watch tonight at 10pm and go back to these pictures for reference….the house with lime green front is the Kalpoe residence….and we learned our information after speaking with a neighbor - reluctant witness neighbor is how I would characterize the neighbor….the neighbor told us something …a piece of the puzzle?? tune in tonight..10pm eastern..ON THE RECORD

(http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/house1.jpg)

(http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/house2.jpg)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/27/we-learned-something-new-in-the-natalee-holloway-investigation/

There is one thing with the Picture or who said that they saw Kalpoe washing the car.

Looking at the picture, the house is last in the row of three house. the photo no matther how you take it will no show the car since it is off the last house and on the right side car port. from that point the other house will not see someone washing a car.

The drive way of the house is on the right had side of the house. looking at the picture and what  I have seen tonight, it would be dificult for a witness to see them washing the car.


here is is layout of the area in question


From the privilege log.  Does this neighbor come up??  Maybe they washed the car in the backyard.  I remember the location being unusual.  Maybe they didn't want to be seen.

Name: Sonia Rosena Valdez
Date: 26 June 2006 / 15:35
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs
Description: witness statement by a Kalpoe neighbor


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2008, 08:01:08 AM
Maybe Nadira is a nic name.

Did you look for previous addresses for:

Name: Khemwattie Rajkumar Ramirez
Date: 02 June 2005118:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator Dennis Jacobs & Angelo Anthony
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's mother



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2008, 08:02:48 AM
Anybody remember anything about this?  Is this Steve Croes' uncle?

Name: Socorro Bermudez, Solagnier
Date: 13 July 2005
Pages: 4 (attached: Car accident report)
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus, Zoraida. De Cuba
Description: witness statement


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 10, 2008, 10:29:42 AM
Maybe Nadira is a nic name.

Did you look for previous addresses for:

Name: Khemwattie Rajkumar Ramirez
Date: 02 June 2005118:15
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator Dennis Jacobs & Angelo Anthony
Description: witness statement by the Kalpoe's mother



Excellent...thanks for bringing this forward.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 10, 2008, 10:33:18 AM
I have questioned many times why Nadira and Luis were interviewed on June2nd. And why Luis was questioned again on June 28th. – the same day as Freddy and Lorenzo.

 We need to find out where Luis worked in May 2005. He is not on the 2004/2005 Chamber list. I can’t find where I saw he worked at a casino/hotel. May be important.

After I posted last night there was a flurry of activity on my computer! Can’t be the Judge’s list. I’ve posted about that 20 times before. Must have been the rest of the paragraph!

But I don’t think you have much to worry about Caps, ALE has orchestrated and maintained this cover-up for almost 3 years now. From personal experience, it appears fairly simple for a geek to track and infiltrate a computer. If they want to find you, they can.

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.  ::MonkeyWink::

Need to read back. Who were the Gods, again?

And what the heck does Dilbert have to do with all this?





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 11, 2008, 09:18:33 PM
With the recent discussions here regarding Patrick van Der Eem's relationship with Joran and family prior to Devries, I thought I would bring over *******'s post from the NH thread:

******* wrote:

Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Nuff said.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Magnolia on May 11, 2008, 09:27:34 PM
With the recent discussions here regarding Patrick van Der Eem's relationship with Joran and family prior to Devries, I thought I would bring over *******'s post from the NH thread:

******* wrote:

Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Nuff said.





IMO somebody has been very creative in creating Lorenzo's site.
That somebody is not Lorenzo.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 09:28:33 PM
(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/634/image378dz6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
 

BAIDJNATH-MISIER, Anjali     Rotterdam     4-11-1983     P-0039
BAIDJNATH-MISIER, Kawisch    Rotterdam    2-6-1990    P-0041
BAIDJNATH-MISIER, Kawita    Rotterdam    5-1-1985    P-0040
BAIDJNATH-MISIER, Presanderpersad    Nickerie (Suriname)    8-5-1958    P-0038


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 09:41:06 PM
Here ya go Caps..A picture of Kuiperdal ..Early in the case we learned of a man that said he helped bury Natalee with two others but was committed to a Mental Institution. I wonder if he is this same Fransisco questioned on June 10th and if this Kuiperdal had anything to do with that.

Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5420/image587uu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-------------------------------------

The Misier Car rental business in Aruba

http://www.american-car-rental.com/american/home.do


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 11, 2008, 10:09:01 PM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 11, 2008, 10:25:00 PM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html
This letter is from the above link

My open letter to mrs Beth Twitty, duped because of Aruba

The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of April 2008

Dear mrs Elizabeth (Beth) Twitty,

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website
www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter via the website YOU TUBE for the injustice the ministry of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is injustice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war! There is, alas, no justice in my country of birth Aruba, because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber Prime Minister is corrupt, the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption. The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political Organisation and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.

Also the very corrupt crown civil servants, the violators of human rights: the Public Prosecutors General, Mr. Drs. Teresa Diana Croes Fernandez Pedra and the monster Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo who on a daily basis violates justice and human rights,

(it is namely not for nothing that the now former commissary of police and inspector,
Gerold Dompig, has thoroughly beaten her up. What is piquaint, however, is that he
was not prosecuted for this severe maltreatment and even this incident was covered up
by the local authorities of Aruba and that the motherland the Netherlands has, as usual,
again closed her eyes to this serious fact) mrs Teresa Diana Croes and Elivia Lugo
together with her colleagues; whom have perfected and legalised corruption there with
the blessing of the corrupt Hyancintho Rudolfo Croes (Rudygate), minister of justice,
for whom the motherland the Netherlands takes a bow!
They are not to be trusted, falsify documents, commit forgery, manipulate the law, commit great injustice, so that justice there in fact has degenerated into justice metered out by tyrants and a lot more devious things against humanity and human rights, with the cooperation of many corrupt Dutch and Aruba lawyers, whom have all done such under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands, which has therefore degenerated into a
lowlife banana republic.
KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS (Do no wrong in your judging: give thought to the position of the poor, do not only honor the position of the great; but be a judge to your neighbor in righteousness. Leviticus 19:15)

This is the reason that Nathalee Holloway has become missing and Joran van der Sloot is untouchable within that banana republic, the kingdom of the netherlands.

Joran van der Sloot would now have become a persona non grata. I have to laugh at this, because that is only a sly joke and a smoke curtain coming from the henchman of Satan with the nickname “Rudygate” sitting on the post of the secretary of justice of the very corrupt STATUS APARTE of Aruba, entitled as a den of thieves: the insular territory Aruba, being a part of the dutch banana republic. It is further totally irrelevant whether there is or is not a governor of Aruba, because this current governor is blind, deaf and mute concerning the crimes of his former political party MEP that is in power.

A part of the populace is tainted with corruption. Just ask the former E.U. member of Parliament mr. Frits Bolkestein and the dutch Second Chamber member mr. Hero Brinkman; they are witnesses, because they have called Aruba a litter of robbers and a den of thieves.

But do not think that I am surprised, because of the fact that the International Transparency rapports of Berlin have also entitled the motherland the Netherlands as being number seven on the list of all the corrupt countries in the world! Bad trees do not give good fruits!!

The dutch government closes its eyes to the crimes taking place on Aruba against humanity and human rights in name of the head of state, the Queen, Mrs Beatrix. And the dutch Prime Minister Mr Drs Jan Peter Balkenende believes in his half truths and is helping the corrupt government of Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber to fool the people and the world with a crooked rapport of the IMF into believing that the economy of Aruba is sound. Jan Peter Balkenende appears not to have feelings or be ashamed of his lies, or else he must be totally incompetent! Because how is it then possible that Aruba has only 120.000 inhabitants but a national debt of more than one billion guilders, while 80% of the populace has fallen into poverty? This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.
But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and IF Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom; thus states the Holy Bible!

I advise you to start a legal procedure against the insular territory of Aruba, the Dutch state or the Kingdom of the Netherlands, because the government of Aruba is lying to the world under the auspices of the kingdom of the netherlands, that lowlife banana republic, that Aruba is a safe and secure island for tourism; even for the people there is no justice, while there exists no security of law, no justice on that little island, neither that so called democracy!
Because corruption is in power on Aruba and the government under the Cabinet of Nelson Orlando Oduber has changed the insular territory of Aruba into a den of thieves!
I cordially welcome you to the website written in the Dutch and in English languages www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com & www.dutchkingdomclassjustice.info ,
so that you can get an impression of the total injustice that has manifested itself on Aruba.
Probably on the 25th of April 2008 or in the near future a new website will appear in the English language called www.arubainjustice.info You are of course welcome to check it out.



“DAME CLASS JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS” Do not Err; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, he will get back as grain. Galatians 6-7


DAME ? JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS; JUSTICE NOW OR NEVER !!”

You are absolutely invited to pass on this letter to the press, television any media.


Yours Sincerely,


C.S. Tromp


Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | April 25, 2008 at 06:11 PM

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, born in Aruba, and having the Dutch nationality, one of the victims of and also one of the duped persons of the head of state of the Netherlands, do hereby address an open letter to the head of state, Beatrix
Wilhelmina Armguard, queen of the Netherlands,





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 11, 2008, 10:32:47 PM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 10:40:26 PM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.

Yup,mental torture and human rights violations,lying witnesses,missing statements,false evidence,manipulating the law,forgery,covering up crimes,threatening to kill him and 100% corruption. The same evil group does it to everyone that challenges them as the Holloways and Mr.Matthews are not the only victims.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 11, 2008, 11:12:01 PM
Here ya go Caps..A picture of the feared super dirty hands..Early in the case we learned of a man that said he helped bury Natalee with two others but was committed to a Mental Institution. I wonder if he is this same Fransisco questioned on June 10th and if this Kuiperdal had anything to do with that.

Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5420/image587uu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

-------------------------------------

The Misier Car rental business in Aruba

http://www.american-car-rental.com/american/home.do

The Misier's own several car rental companies on the island.  Here's another....Janira also owns the V.I.P. Club.

QUALITY CAR RENTAL, TOURS AND BOAT SERVICES N.V. 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD   
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  QUALITY CAR RENTAL, TOURS AND BOAT SERVICES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  18 FEBRUARY 1999 
Last amendment in the articles  5 MAY 2000 
         
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA; 
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 11, 2008, 11:27:02 PM
With the recent discussions here regarding Patrick van Der Eem's relationship with Joran and family prior to Devries, I thought I would bring over *******'s post from the NH thread:

******* wrote:

Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Nuff said.





IMO somebody has been very creative in creating Lorenzo's site.
That somebody is not Lorenzo.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks, Magnolia.  Very neat package, eh?  I hardly ever use my mugshot for my myspace page.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 12, 2008, 02:00:35 AM
With the recent discussions here regarding Patrick van Der Eem's relationship with Joran and family prior to Devries, I thought I would bring over *******'s post from the NH thread:

******* wrote:

Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Nuff said.





IMO somebody has been very creative in creating Lorenzo's site.
That somebody is not Lorenzo.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks, Magnolia.  Very neat package, eh?  I hardly ever use my mugshot for my myspace page.


::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 12, 2008, 02:02:29 AM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.
I Agree AZSunny...WOW!  ::MonkeyShocked:: You think She knows?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 12, 2008, 06:27:10 AM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.
I Agree AZSunny...WOW!  ::MonkeyShocked:: You think She knows?


Blimey...Well I'll be a monkey's uncle! It is a small world after all!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks for the link Hotping!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: AZSunny on May 12, 2008, 10:00:41 AM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.
I Agree AZSunny...WOW!  ::MonkeyShocked:: You think She knows?

No,  I don't think she does.  What are your thoughts?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 11:01:48 AM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html
This letter is from the above link

My open letter to mrs Beth Twitty, duped because of Aruba

The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of April 2008

Dear mrs Elizabeth (Beth) Twitty,

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website
www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter via the website YOU TUBE for the injustice the ministry of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is injustice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war! There is, alas, no justice in my country of birth Aruba, because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber Prime Minister is corrupt, the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption. The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political Organisation and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.

Also the very corrupt crown civil servants, the violators of human rights: the Public Prosecutors General, Mr. Drs. Teresa Diana Croes Fernandez Pedra and the monster Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo who on a daily basis violates justice and human rights,

(it is namely not for nothing that the now former commissary of police and inspector,
Gerold Dompig, has thoroughly beaten her up. What is piquaint, however, is that he
was not prosecuted for this severe maltreatment and even this incident was covered up
by the local authorities of Aruba and that the motherland the Netherlands has, as usual,
again closed her eyes to this serious fact) mrs Teresa Diana Croes and Elivia Lugo
together with her colleagues; whom have perfected and legalised corruption there with
the blessing of the corrupt Hyancintho Rudolfo Croes (Rudygate), minister of justice,
for whom the motherland the Netherlands takes a bow!
They are not to be trusted, falsify documents, commit forgery, manipulate the law, commit great injustice, so that justice there in fact has degenerated into justice metered out by tyrants and a lot more devious things against humanity and human rights, with the cooperation of many corrupt Dutch and Aruba lawyers, whom have all done such under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands, which has therefore degenerated into a
lowlife banana republic.
KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS (Do no wrong in your judging: give thought to the position of the poor, do not only honor the position of the great; but be a judge to your neighbor in righteousness. Leviticus 19:15)

This is the reason that Nathalee Holloway has become missing and Joran van der Sloot is untouchable within that banana republic, the kingdom of the netherlands.

Joran van der Sloot would now have become a persona non grata. I have to laugh at this, because that is only a sly joke and a smoke curtain coming from the henchman of Satan with the nickname “Rudygate” sitting on the post of the secretary of justice of the very corrupt STATUS APARTE of Aruba, entitled as a den of thieves: the insular territory Aruba, being a part of the dutch banana republic. It is further totally irrelevant whether there is or is not a governor of Aruba, because this current governor is blind, deaf and mute concerning the crimes of his former political party MEP that is in power.

A part of the populace is tainted with corruption. Just ask the former E.U. member of Parliament mr. Frits Bolkestein and the dutch Second Chamber member mr. Hero Brinkman; they are witnesses, because they have called Aruba a litter of robbers and a den of thieves.

But do not think that I am surprised, because of the fact that the International Transparency rapports of Berlin have also entitled the motherland the Netherlands as being number seven on the list of all the corrupt countries in the world! Bad trees do not give good fruits!!

The dutch government closes its eyes to the crimes taking place on Aruba against humanity and human rights in name of the head of state, the Queen, Mrs Beatrix. And the dutch Prime Minister Mr Drs Jan Peter Balkenende believes in his half truths and is helping the corrupt government of Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber to fool the people and the world with a crooked rapport of the IMF into believing that the economy of Aruba is sound. Jan Peter Balkenende appears not to have feelings or be ashamed of his lies, or else he must be totally incompetent! Because how is it then possible that Aruba has only 120.000 inhabitants but a national debt of more than one billion guilders, while 80% of the populace has fallen into poverty? This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.
But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and IF Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom; thus states the Holy Bible!

I advise you to start a legal procedure against the insular territory of Aruba, the Dutch state or the Kingdom of the Netherlands, because the government of Aruba is lying to the world under the auspices of the kingdom of the netherlands, that lowlife banana republic, that Aruba is a safe and secure island for tourism; even for the people there is no justice, while there exists no security of law, no justice on that little island, neither that so called democracy!
Because corruption is in power on Aruba and the government under the Cabinet of Nelson Orlando Oduber has changed the insular territory of Aruba into a den of thieves!
I cordially welcome you to the website written in the Dutch and in English languages www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com & www.dutchkingdomclassjustice.info ,
so that you can get an impression of the total injustice that has manifested itself on Aruba.
Probably on the 25th of April 2008 or in the near future a new website will appear in the English language called www.arubainjustice.info You are of course welcome to check it out.



“DAME CLASS JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS” Do not Err; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, he will get back as grain. Galatians 6-7


DAME ? JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS; JUSTICE NOW OR NEVER !!”

You are absolutely invited to pass on this letter to the press, television any media.


Yours Sincerely,


C.S. Tromp


Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | April 25, 2008 at 06:11 PM

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, born in Aruba, and having the Dutch nationality, one of the victims of and also one of the duped persons of the head of state of the Netherlands, do hereby address an open letter to the head of state, Beatrix
Wilhelmina Armguard, queen of the Netherlands,





This dude has an interesting rhythm.  While this may have been posted at AG's sight (once considered to have been Simian or Shango) I think it is appropriate that it now shows up on a post in the SHANGO/SIMIAN: Who are they and what did they know thread.

I think this guy may have been Shango.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 11:24:51 AM
Seems Carlos has been posting on the SM Front Page.  On 03/17/08 he made a post on an old thread that had not had a post since 07/14/07 :

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 12, 2008, 11:26:15 AM
Truthseeker...Interesting thought! One or two things jumped out at me as well...Jogged my memory!  ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 11:26:57 AM
Seems Carlos has been posting on the SM Front Page.  On 03/17/08 he made a post on an old thread that had not had a post since 07/14/07 :

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/



He posted this very same letter on SM Frontpage on the same day he posted it on AG's site.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 11:32:19 AM
The man definitely believes he has a bone to pick: (This is from the same Front Page thread)

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, born in Aruba, and having the Dutch nationality, one of the victims of and also one of the duped persons of the head of state of the Netherlands, do hereby address an open letter to the head of state, Beatrix
Wilhelmina Armguard, queen of the Netherlands,

The Hague, 25-04-2008

Dear head of state,

I hereby wish to ask your attention for the umpteenth time on the same subject;

As you are well aware, I am since 1999 struggling for justice within the Kingdom of the Netherlands on the part of the empire, the insular territory Aruba, and the motherland the Netherlands, but up till today without results. Though human rights are not for sale, they cannot also be bought. Yet justice within the kingdom is nowhere to be found. That is why I urgently wish to ask you as the head of state: do human rights concerning me exist in the kingdom? This because I am also born with human dignity and also have the right of human rights, justice, peace and freedom concerning me being respected and yet I cannot emigrate to my country of birth owing to the fact that the government of Aruba, the public prosecuting agency of Aruba, and members of the common court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba cannot be trusted! Knowingly and willingly the public prosecution agency of Aruba has four times horribly violated the observance of human rights concerning me, by hostaging me, torturing and imprisoning me without me having committed a prior crime with a total of 257 days in solitary confinement and 20 hours of imprisonment without rights. This with the compliance and knowledge of the aforementioned court. And as you are well aware of all these crimes committed against me by the organisations and institutions of the government of the insular territory Aruba and your civil servants who have taken the oath, like the public prosecutors general (PG’s), who should have known better, especially that public prosecutor general (PG) Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra, because I have already been informing you for years by means of correspondence, after your representatives had remained deaf and dumb to all my complaints and you too have remained totally passive to all the crimes.
The legal consequences are that you, the Prime Minister Balkenende and all secretaries have in a penal law sense ( and not a constitutional one), by not acting, all committed the following crimes:

——Having taken part in the following crimes:
• Violating the European Treaty of the Rights of man, in which is included the Universal Declaration of the Rights of man
• Violating the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union
• Violating the Treaty of New York (the U.N. treaty) and all further relevant treaties relevant to the rights of man
• Taking revenge by abuse of power and supporting the very corrupt government of Aruba, the public prosecuting agency and the communal court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
• Hostaging me four times with a total of 257 days in solitary confinement and 20 hours of imprisonment without me having committed a prior crime, together with conspiring, plotting against me, discriminating me, telling lies to me, hostaging me, torturing me, stealing my property and subjugating me while being bound on hands and feet
• Threatening to murder me with a black pistol aimed at me in the police station of San Nicolas on Aruba
• Manipulating the law, lawyers, and the criminal sentence of 26th of March 2002, case number h.16/02, so that I am without a legal chance in the procedure in cassation
• Abusing my under aged children by making them make damaging statements against me without them knowing what they were doing
• Committing forgery and falsifying official documents
• Covering up the dossier of the sentence of the 26th of March 2002, case number H.16/02, by the abovementioned court, so that I remain ignorant of the reason why I remained captive for 257 days in solitary confinement
• Letting the public prosecuting agency of Aruba make dossiers disappear and covering that up.
• Covering up crimes against humanity by civil servants of the public prosecuting agency of Aruba
• Writing two false rehabilitation reports (H. Hoevertz) and two false psychiatrist reports (H.A.E van Gaalen), addressed to me with the aim to ruin my mental health on the island of Aruba, so that the truth would not surface
• Placing me in a cell without a mattress, light, fresh air and a toilet
• Allowing the sale of drugs
• Corruption and a lot more devious things addressed against me that have taken place on the insular territory of Aruba, where you too are queen and head of state, in your name in a government building with closed doors where I was bound at hands and feet on the order of your crown civil servants, with on the wall your portrait at a desk apparently with your instructions, where you are also the head of state and queen with the last constitutional responsibility

Of this you and your government are well aware or should be. And you and your Prime Minister Mr Drs Prof. J.P. Balkenende act as if there is nothing the matter, while the two of you both willingly and knowingly close your eyes to the truth of injustice, the unfairness of the semi dictatorial way of proceeding of the Prime Minister in the Netherlands as well as in Aruba, the secretaries here in this country and as well in Aruba, the members of the public prosecuting agency of Aruba, by this passive mentality and positioning.

That is why I do not address you with Majesty, because you are not worth being addressed with the term Majesty, because your representatives do not respect you and they have in your name in front of your state portrait horribly trampled upon my human rights and you keep a hermetic silence while you are well informed, because of that you apply a double standard!
It is also of the greatest importance that human rights within the kingdom of the Netherlands
should too be protected and observed by the supremacy of law as guaranteed in the Dutch constitution, the Constitutional regulation of Aruba, the Statute for the kingdom of the Netherlands and the International treaties that your government, your predecessors and also you have signed concerning the legal performance and functioning of the constitutional state in the sense of the guaranteed rights and liberties for everyone so that duped persons are not in last instance forced to resort to inciting a revolution against oppression, tyranny and class justice. (signed treaties nota bene in which The Netherlands has guaranteed that human rights are observed and that there shall be sound government on Aruba and Curacao; such has as consequence that, if there should still arise corruption, violations of human rights, all kinds of legal and financial malversations and misgovernment, the motherland The Netherlands will have neglected her duties and repudiated her responsibilities), (In this regard please reminiscence the origin of the outbreak of the French revolution of 1789; e.g. among others things the excesses of Marie Antoinette).

—–Being accessory to, at, for the afore-said crimes.

——Committing actions of support and backing up of the afore-said crimes.

CONCLUSION:

Seen from a legal point of view I can only draw the conclusion that you support and protect hardened white collar criminals, together with Prime Minister J.P. Balkenende and the remaining secretaries of the Balkenende Cabinets, as well as the civil servants concerned on the afore mentioned insular territories whom have committed the afore mentioned crimes.

As a legal consequence therefore you and the Prime Minister together with all the secretaries and civil servants concerned here in this country and overseas must be prosecuted! And as I further know you have constitutional immunity, I must alas draw the legal conclusion and consequence that you are TOTALLY INCOMPETENT, AND TAKING PART IN, BEING ACCESSORY TO, AT AND FOR, AND COMMIT ACTIONS OF SUPPORT TO CORRUPT CROWN CIVIL SERVANTS, TOGETHER WITH ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED PERSONS and that you, the Prime Minister J.P. Balkenende and the remaining secretaries, should immediately be removed from office as the head of state and all the persons concerned be removed from office by the parliament as a constitutional sanction and you together with all the aforementioned persons have to be criminally prosecuted in order for your and their total involvement in all afore mentioned crimes to be established.

Besides you and your prime minister J.P. Balkenende have not the right to point out to foreign powers to respect human rights: A diplomatic and trade mission of your administration Balkenende went to China in April 2004 where the Chinese P.M. Wen Jiabao was at the same time called to account for the better observance of human rights. Also on the 1st of November 2005 you and the P.M., mister J.P. Balkenende, together went to Schiphol Airport to receive the Russian president, mister Vladimir Poetin, and at the same time call him to account for the violations of human rights in his country with the object of the exploitation of natural gas and the abundant wealth of income from oil and natural gas. On the 30th of March 2006 during your state visit to the Argentine where you had a special agenda for the committed violations of human rights by the regime of Jorge Videla. You were also present at various opening ceremonies that directly refer to the existence and functioning of the universal declaration of Human rights and the aforementioned treaty of New York.
And I can continue like this while my screams for justice to your government since 2003 and to you yourself since 2004 have fallen on deaf ears! Namely, because violations of human rights are covertly permitted within the kingdom of the Netherlands! I am therefore absolutely convinced that there is nobody within the administration of justice in the kingdom willing to move a finger to investigate all my complaints to the bottom. Nobody from the side of your government within the kingdom wants to hear the truth of injustice, and the unfairness of the political discrimination.

This is -speaking politically- a bad state of affairs, a disgrace and a scandal!

Apart from the legal consequences of penal law concerning all of this!!!

My open letter is not meant to discredit you or your government; it is meant, however, to illustrate the other side of the Dutch European coin so that the rights of man, truth, justice, human dignity, peace and freedom are in reality permanently able to manifest themselves within your kingdom!

For that reason I have again decided to personally address you as the head of state by means of this open letter for the seventh (7th.) time with the request for justice so that my complaints lodged against the civil servants on Aruba charged with the -in your name- upholding of law and dispensation of justice, amongst whom the former and present public prosecutors general Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra and the judges appointed by you, will initiate a criminal investigation; this because till this present moment not a single step has been taken in that direction in spite of my complaints and I therefore since 1999 cannot return to my country of birth without legal security.

All the injustice done to me till this present moment is the result of the simple fact that I have utilised the legal possibilities of lodging complaints against the police commander Rodel Juan De Los Poulina and the Super public prosecutor general, mr Elivia Lugo, (whom the now former police commissioner and inspector Harold Dompig has beaten black and blue)
Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo who is well versed in committing injustice and violating human rights, on the instructions of the public prosecutor, your crown civil servant, Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes and the former acting public prosecutor, Mr Frits C.V. de Groot, everything and everybody with the blessing of the very corrupt minister of justice, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes ( alias Rudygate) and the former president of the court of appeal, Luis R.J. de Lannoy

I now ask you not for help, but I do ask you, as such is your duty, to observe the correct compliance of human rights and bring order within the kingdom itself by promoting the actual enforcement of all human rights, before you, as head of state, address other countries on violations of human rights; because in the Kingdom it has become a totally normal state of affairs that human rights are trampled upon. Because everybody shields and covers everybody else in a constitutional, legal and political sense.

For that reason it is not clear to me what kind of constitutional state exists within the Kingdom. Because it cannot be that in a constitutional state human rights are trampled upon and the state secretaries and civil servants and the head of state have their mouths full of the existence and proper functioning of human rights within the democracy of the Dutch constitutional state; by simulating the existence of a living democracy, but in fact allowing
the reality of a political white collar criminality .

Namely, violations of human rights are covertly permitted within the kingdom of the Netherlands, while nobody wants to put a stop to this utterly unsavoury situation!
On the basis of the aforementioned it has to be concluded and determined that within the Kingdom of the Netherlands up to this moment each and every existing political administration, the formal heads of state of the Kingdom of Holland violate human rights or ignore them and have every interest in preventing actions that cannot stand daylight come to the surface, which has as a political and legal consequence that the Kingdom of the Netherlands is in fact a covert fascist dictatorship.

I have abundantly tried to make clear to you that your representatives on the insular territory of Aruba are white collars criminals. The governor is completely knowledgeable of everything, but feigns a total lack of knowledge of the crimes taking place against human rights on the part of the empire Aruba. Namely, all the Oduber administrations have consisted of a gang of corrupt types who have thrown your official state portrait in the wastebasket and replaced it with the picture of a deceased man, Betico Croes, the brother of the criminally corrupt secretary of justice, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias “Rudygate”). The parliament of Aruba and the president Marvin Wyatt-Ras only consist of a bunch of 12 profiteers who know nothing better than being mere political “ aye-voters”, who support corruption and suppress the people of Aruba! The public prosecuting agency of Aruba and the members of the communal court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba of the so called justice system, where your official portrait stately hangs on the wall has degenerated into a corrupt den of white collar criminals who on a daily basis violate the rights of man and corruption is being upheld!

All the hideous crimes, violations of human rights, the rape of law by civil servants charged with the maintenance of law and administration of justice, who take the oath in front of your state portrait in the presence of the governor of Aruba appointed by you, and pronounce injustice in your name in the courts of law, there where your official portrait is stately hanging on the wall, remain unpunished in the insular territory of Aruba without being discussed by and hidden from the international order of justice.

These are the names of the devouring wolves in sheep’s clothing:
The minister of so called justice: Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes
The former public prosecutor general: Willem Ruud Rosingh
The public prosecutor: Mr Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra
The public prosecutor general and the acting public prosecutor: Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo
The head district attorney and acting public prosecutor general: Frits C.V. de Groot
The district attorney: Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes Boender
The district attorney : mr Elivia Elvira Lugo
The public prosecuting agency’s press district attorney: Elivia Elvira Lugo
The acting district attorneys: Thijsen, O.R. Rasmijn and Eric Zaandam
The commanders of the police station: Maurin Dirks and Roddel Juan de Dios Poulina
The officers first class of police: Sheraldine Annette Frolijk Ollivierra, R.J. Oduber, Geerman, Michael Croes and Marlon Gumbs
The judges commissary: Cor Slothouber, John S. Kuiperdal and Ono E. Mulder
The judges: mr Ono E. Mulder, Jaap de Vroome, E.M. Debbie Angela and Petra de Bruin
The medical doctor psychiatrist: Hendricus Antonios Eldimiro van Gaalen
The legal social services aid worker Foundation Rehabilitation of prisoners: mrs G. Hoevertsz
The president of the communal court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, the acting president Mr M.M.M. Tillema The judges Mrs R.M. Mezas and D. van den Brink
The acting presidents: Mrs H. De Doelder, R.F.B. van Zuthten and H. Warink
The acting president: Mrs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra, E.M. Debbie Angela and Petra de Bruin
The managing director of CIA appointed by politicians: Gerald Keteldijk and Freddy Maduro
The supervisor: Beltran Odor The lady social co-worker: Alicia Leonard The CIA guards: Bolchi Rodriguez and Gregory Rodriguez The president of the committee of supervision in CIA: Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo
The lawyers: O.N. Flander, J.L. Petrocchi, Harold Falconi and Rossi Marchena

KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS; Be not tricked; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, that will he get back as grain. Galatians 6-7
Do no wrong in your judging: do not give thought to the position of the poor, or honour to the position of the great; but be a judge to your neighbour in righteousness. Leviticus 19:15 Woe to them who say that good is bad and that bad is good: that black is white and white black; that bitter is sweet and sweet bitter; Woe to them who think of themselves as being intelligent and wise! Woe to the heroes of wine, who brag about the amount of strong drink they can take. They let themselves be bribed to rape justice; they acquit the guilty and throw the innocent in jail. That is why God will meddle with them and burn them. They will burn like straw thrown upon the fire. Their roots will wither and their blossoms wither, because they have rejected God’s laws and turned their backs upon the word of the Holy of Israel. Jesaja 5:20-24 KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS;

SHOULD YOU BE OF OPINION THAT I DID NOT SPEAK THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AND HAVE THEREFORE COMMITTED A CRIME WITH THIS LETTER, THEN I REQUEST YOU TO PROSECUTE ME WITH THE FULL ATTENTION OF THE (WORLD) PRESS FIXED ON ME!!

I finally refer you to my websites: http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com, http://www.dutchkindomclassjustice.info Probably on the 28th of April 2008 or in the near future two new website will appear in the English language called http://www.arubainjustice.info arubainjustice.com & in the Dutch language called http://www.onrecht.biz, which is addressed to you.

JUSTICE NOW OR NEVER !! With deepest regard, Carlos S. Tromp



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 11:45:01 AM
Truthseeker...Interesting thought! One or two things jumped out at me as well...Jogged my memory!  ::MonkeyEek::



Using terms such as 'house' and 'den of thieves' jumped out at me.  And some other things...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 12, 2008, 12:02:15 PM
Seems Carlos has been posting on the SM Front Page.  On 03/17/08 he made a post on an old thread that had not had a post since 07/14/07 :

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/



He posted this very same letter on SM Frontpage on the same day he posted it on AG's site.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/07/07/aruban-ethics-former-minister-tico-croes-violated-the-budget-law/



There is a recent FP post of his somewhere in this or the last thread....If my computer would co-operate I would try to find it!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 12, 2008, 12:08:49 PM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.
I Agree AZSunny...WOW!  ::MonkeyShocked:: You think She knows?

No,  I don't think she does.  What are your thoughts?


She knows.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 12, 2008, 12:10:40 PM
Interesting writing pattern in that letter to Beth...very familiar.  I have seen that somewhere before...the way Natalee's name is spelled the terms used. Hmmmmm.

Oh well, I will ask no questions about that either.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 12, 2008, 12:14:42 PM
Interesting writing pattern in that letter to Beth...very familiar.  I have seen that somewhere before...the way Natalee's name is spelled the terms used. Hmmmmm.

Oh well, I will ask no questions about that either.


Well I am not asking questions either, but one particular term jumped out at me!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 12, 2008, 12:33:43 PM
Interesting reading at this link

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Yes, I should say there is.  I wonder the last time Arubagirl checked her website?  Wow, just wow.
I Agree AZSunny...WOW!  ::MonkeyShocked:: You think She knows?

No,  I don't think she does.  What are your thoughts?


She knows.
AZSunny...I agree with Lala's...She Knows and She might be the one helping him when He says that His English is not to good but has help.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 12, 2008, 12:38:12 PM
Interesting writing pattern in that letter to Beth...very familiar.  I have seen that somewhere before...the way Natalee's name is spelled the terms used. Hmmmmm.

Oh well, I will ask no questions about that either.


Well I am not asking questions either, but one particular term jumped out at me!
Come on Sweet Monkeys...Give Us Your undivided thoughts on this subject....Please...You both know more about this thread than all the rest of Us put together....Remember Natalee needs Us ALL to help find Justice for Her..... Sincerely PC....PLEASE!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 12, 2008, 12:46:07 PM
Truthseeker...Interesting thought! One or two things jumped out at me as well...Jogged my memory!  ::MonkeyEek::



Using terms such as 'house' and 'den of thieves' jumped out at me.  And some other things...

like dirtyhands....



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 12, 2008, 01:38:55 PM
O/T Kind of

You aren't going to belief what I have in My back yard right now

Two Black Bellied Whistling Ducks....Ya think its an Omen!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:17:54 PM
As revenge the Justice department of Aruba has kept me prisoner two hundred and fifty seven days in solitary confinement and twenty hours unjustified without me having committed a crime, proof of anything or witnesses.

This is owing to a plot of the head district attorney of Justice Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo and her colleagues and the contaminated file of the office of the Public Prosecutor number P-01059/01 of the Crown civil servant Public Prosecutor General Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra.
The arguments of these complaints are as follows:
1. On the 6th of June 1999 around 13.00 p.m. I had a car accident in San Nicolas (Aruba). I was put into handcuffs and maltreated by the police officers R.J. Oduber and Rodell Juan de Dios Paulina. I was locked up in their police car for a long time during the heat of the day and with the windows closed, without the air conditioner working. As if that was not enough, I was then locked up in two police cells for ten hours without any reason.
My car was left abandoned at the location of the accident. During the same night, on the 7th of June 1999, about 01.30 a.m., I was again taken to my car by the police themselves. Having arrived there, I discovered that thieves had broken into my car and everything was stolen. The police had caught and imprisoned two thieves.

2. On the same day I then went to the central police Inquiry Agency to lodge a complaint against Mr Poulina, Oduber and colleagues. The central police Inquiry Agency referred me for this complaint to the inspector of police mr Dumpig.
3. Dumpig, however, referred me back to the central police Inquiry Agency. In short I was sent from pillar to post! At my wit’s end I afterwards decided to go to Junior inspector J.C. Sambo. With him I have officially lodged an complaint against the abovementioned police officers regarding the abuse of power then committed against me. My complaint was put on paper by detective Roy Hodge. As I was then living in the Netherlands, I then left for the Netherlands.
4. On the 17th of February 2000 I again was in Aruba with my wife and children. On the 18th of February 2000 the reprisal against me began: I was approached by the police of San Nicolas who asked me what I was doing with a wallet in my hand. I replied that it was mine and that I therefore had it in my hands. Afterwards they asked what I was doing with the bill of twenty five Aruba florins in my hands. I replied that the money was destined for poor acquaintances of mine who needed money to be able to eat.
5. I protested against their questioning about my own money and wallet. Police officer Maureen Dirksz told me to shut my trap in Papiamento (sera bo smoel). Immediately afterwards Maureen Dirksz and two colleagues came at me and I was then maltreated by them. Next I was handcuffed and taken away to the police station.
6. After I had arrived there, I had to surrender my possessions and my wallet was taken away from me. I was kicked by the police and was again thrown into the cell. Next the assisting public prosecutor Eric Zaandam came to my cell and surreptitiously asked me to come to the door, after which he squirted tear gas in my face and eyes. All the policemen present there laughed at me and mocked me.
7. The next day, on Friday the 19th of February 2000, I was released in the morning and my possessions were returned to me. When I opened my wallet, I noticed at once that four bills of fifty Dutch guilders were
Missing. When I complained against this, I was told by the police that I had drunk sewer water and that I therefore could not remember the contents of my possessions. I was dragged outside in an inhuman way and the door was locked, so that I could not go in anymore. I then went home.
7. On the 20th of February 2000 I went to the
carnival parade with my wife and children. My smallest son of ten years asked me to walk around, while the rest of my family remained waiting for the parade. About twenty meters further on I saw the lady police officer Maureen Dirksz and the lady inspector Trudy Hassel-Maduro. When they saw me they at once began talking in their radios. I was then in no time surrounded by the police. I was again handcuffed without a single reason and was taken away to the police station. My son was left alone. I protested against this and said to them that my son was with me. They told me that everything I said could be used against me. I then asked what was the matter. The lady inspector Trudy Hassel-Maduro told me that this was an order of the Public Prosecutor Mr Lugo for the safety of the carnival parade.
8. Two hours later the assisting district attorney Thijsen came to me informed me that I would remain locked, because I had threatened the lady officer Maureen Dirksz with rape and that eight police officers were a witness to that fact. Afterwards I was taken out of the cell by a police officer to talk to a lawyer; no lawyer appeared and later on the assisting district attorney Thijsen told me that he was completely ignorant of this and till this day I have never seen any lawyer concerning this alleged crime of mine. Later on the same day I was questioned by Roland Marlon Gumbs ( a detective) concerned the mentioned threat. I firmly denied having threatened Maureen Dirksz. I have declared that I am not capable of raping somebody and certainly not a lesbian; then I read the statement and signed it.
9. Two days later I was brought to the district attorney of justice Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes Boender. She
prolonged my detention for eight days. The police station commander of San Nicolas gave me the order to remove me to the police station North, because he wanted no problems with the consequences of the maltreatments committed to me by the police.
10. During my transfer I discovered that a gold bracelet was missing which the police had taken away from me. I was told that it would be returned to me later on. I refused to sign a paper concerning these things. After one day I was led to the Judge COM missionary Mr E.M. Debbie Agela. Again without a lawyer. I showed her all my bruises, discolouring my skin blue, being the result of the maltreatments in the police station of San Nicolas.
11. Mr E.M. Debbie Angela told me that eight policemen had declared as witnesses against me that I had threatened the police officer Maureen Dirksz. Mr E.M. Debbie Angela asked me where my return ticket to the Netherlands was. I told her that it was in my house. She then threatened to let me be deported to the Netherlands. I told her that she had not a single right to do so. She then said to me that she would have me placed in the Correction Institute Aruba (C.I.A.) (C.I.A. concentration camp).
12. Back at the police station North all my documents were taken away from me and the commander of the police station told me that they would be returned when I was released.
13. On the 2nd of March 2000 I was transferred to C.I.A. At that moment my papers were nowhere to be found. I was told that nobody knew anything about that and that the commander of the police station was then not at work.
14. On the 6th of March 2000 I wrote a letter to the director of the C.I.A. In it I conveyed that I would begin a hunger strike, because I was locked up absolutely without a reason. I was released at 13.00 p.m.
15. On the 8th of March 2000 I lodged a complaint for theft and maltreatment with junior detective J.C. Sambo. I then again left for the Netherlands.
16. On the 27th of August 2000 I again returned to Aruba. I had previously contacted two lawyers, namely Mr Rudy Oomen and before my arrival Mr Chris Legues to start a case against the abovementioned police officers. Both lawyers refused to do so.
17. I then pursued the Head District Attorney Mr Ginkel to get an appointment with him concerning my penal files; however, without success.
18. On the 18th of September 2000 I was threatened in the office of the Public Prosecuting Attorney of Justice at Avenue Alo Tromp 1 by district attorney Mr E,. Elivia Lugo, because I had mentioned her name in my case and the lost files.
19. On the 21st of September 2000 I personally brought a letter to the building of the office of head district attorney Mr Ginkel at Avenue Alo Tromp #1. In it I politely asked him for a personal appointment so that I could read the contents of the abovementioned files. Yet I never received a response to that letter. I am a victim of crimes against humanity, committed by the government of the insular territory Aruba under the auspices of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
20. On the 3rd of October 2000 I sent a registered letter to the President of the Communal Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba Mr Luis A.J. Delannoy. I then consequently left for the Netherlands after fifteen days, without having received a reaction. Three days after my departure to the Netherlands he called me in the Netherlands and he talked to my wife.
21. On the 22nd of July 2001 I have again sent a registered letter from the Hague in the Netherlands to Mr Luis A.J. Delannoy. I asked him explicitly to take care of the handling of the complaint that I had already lodged almost a year previously against the district attorney Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo.
22. On the 10th of August 2001 I again returned to Aruba to my wife and children. I had so far not received any reply from Mr Luis A.J. Delannoy.
23. On the 12th of August 2001 I had a discussion with my wife. Our daughter had informed me of certain things happening at home in my absence. I spoke to my wife concerning this and a discussion started. My daughter was punished from this moment by my wife without any reason, which made the relationship between me and my wife deteriorate.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:19:45 PM


24. On the 13th of August 2001 I want to “Jos Steenman Aruba” with my wife in the morning to buy household furniture. I began cleaning up at home and stumbled over a little table breaking the glass. I had removed the old bed from the house. Then my wife said to me to wait for her because she first had to go shopping, and would immediately return to buy the beds together. When she returned she was accompanied by two policemen. The commander of the police station, brigadier Roddel Juan de Dios Poulina, had left his post to come to arrest me together with the lady police officer Sheraldine Annette Frolijk Ollivierra. It was the same policeman Roddel J.de Dios Poulina against whom I had lodged a complaint in 1999.
25. He came to me with a big mouth. When I reminded him that he was in my house, he politely asked me if I could accompany him to the police station, because a complaint had been lodged against me. When we had arrived at the police car he hit me in the back with his fist. Afterwards he kicked me into the car.
26. When we had nearly come to the police station, he asked for back up through the radio, because he was arriving with a dangerous man. I was maltreated by him in the police station and he told me that he himself would testify against me. I asked him of what he was a witness of. Then I told him I would again lodge a complaint against him for maltreatment. He threatened me and told me that he would telephone Mr Lugo to inform him of me being locked up in the police station.
27. The commander of the police station, Roddel Juan de Dios Poulina, ordered me to be locked up in the last cell. Two hours later the assisting district attorney O.R. Rasmijn came to me. He told me that I would remain locked up by order of the district attorney Mr Lugo, but that himself had no reason to keep me in detention. I was never told of my rights when I was arrested and without being told the reason of my being arrested
28. Four hours later the assisting district attorney O.R. Rasmijn brought me a written statement, in which I declared myself guilty of threatening my wife and destroying furniture in my house. I refused to sign.
29. An hour later the assisting district attorney O.R. Rasmijn brought me a written order of incarceration for making threats and destroying property, referring to articles 366, first paragraph, and 298 of the Penal Code. Later on more articles of the Penal Code were added.
30. On the 15th of August 2001 at 18.10 p.m. I was taken out of my cell to be interrogated. I was maltreated three times by the police officer Michael Croes. I later on informed the assisting district attorney O.R. Rasmijn about this; however, without getting a single action concerning this.
31. The police officer Geraldine Annette Frolijk taking down the process-verbal, interrogated me. I asked her to call my wife to ask her to bring my reading glasses so that I could read what I had to sign.
32. Twenty minutes later my wife brought me my reading glasses and a letter from the children. The police officer taking down the process-verbal smuggled the letter inside for me. I read the letter which was then torn up by her. I then read my statement and one hour and a half later I signed three times. While I was taken back to the cell, I was again maltreated by police officer Michael Croes.
33. Later on the police officer taking down the procès-verbal Geraldine Annette Frolijk Ollivierra declared later on that she had interrogated me. Geraldine Annette Frolijk Ollivierra is the person who falsified my statements and committed forgery in my case.
34. On the 16th of August at about 5:54 a.m. the police officer Michael Croes came to my cell and threw my tooth brush and tooth paste in the toilet. After he threatened me with death while pointing a black pistol at me. Afterwards he walked away.
35. On the above mentioned date at 09.30 a.m. I was taken to the district attorney Mr C.J. Hemmes Boender without a lawyer. This district attorney promised me that I would be released within ten days if I promised first to talk to an officer of the Discharged Convicts Aid Services (D.P.A.S.) in the police station as it concerned a family problem.
36. I informed Mr Carla Hemmes –Boender of all maltreatments and the threats with a gun I had experienced at the police station. She told me to inform the judge-commissary.
37. At the above mentioned date I was taken to the judge-commissary Mr John Kuyperdaal. Here a lawyer was present, namely O.N. Flanders. The lawyer told the judge-commissary that he as uninformed of anything as he was just now appointed to me; this while on the order of incarceration it was written that a lawyer N.O. Flanders was appointed at 16:35 p.m. on the 13th of August 2001 and not today, the 16th of August 2001. The judge-commissary told me that I would go home within ten days.
38. I also told the judge-commissary, Mr John S. Kuyperdaal, about the maltreatments and the threats. He told me that I had to tell this to my lawyer. When I told the lawyer, O.N. Flanders, about the maltreatments and threats he asked me what I wanted him to do about it. He told me that he did not know whether I was under the influence of alcohol and drugs at that moment. I told him not to talk to me like that. He answered that it was written in the file. I told him that he had stated to the judge-commissary that he had only now been allotted to me. As the man himself had a problem with alcohol, I decided to fire him.
39. On the 17th of August 2001 I got two copies, one from the district attorney, Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boender, in which she informed me that my detention was continued with eight days starting on the 15th of August 2001, and one of the judge-commissary concerning the continuation starting on the 16th of August 2001. This while on the 16th of August 2001 between 09:30 a.m. and 10.00 a.m. I was with Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders and the judge-commissary Mr John S. Kuiperdaal.
40. On the 18th of August 2001 I was removed to a police cell at Oranjestad. This was the decision of the same commander of the police station who had sent me to the police station North on the 22nd of February 2001.Because he did not agree with the maltreatments I had suffered in San Nicolas.
41. On the 21st of August 2001 the Juridical Social worker of the Discharged Prisoner Aid Services (D.P.A.S.), mrs G. Hoevertsz, came to me in the police station of Oranjestad. After three minutes two police officers came to fetch me, because I should already have left for the judge-commissary and it was late. At his office, the judge-commissary, Mr Cor Slothouder, tried to let me sign a falsified copy. When I refused to sign, he yelled at me as if I were a dog.
42. In spite of my refusal to sign, he sent a falsified copy in which were written a lot of negative things and lies about me, among other things, that I had seriously maltreated persons, that I was a menace to society. He also said something about my past (37 years back) had occurred to keep me behind bars.
43. On the 28th of August 2001 I was locked up in a police cell for fifteen days without having committed a single crime, proof or witnesses, medical doctor, lawyer, fresh running water, fresh air, visitation hours. I slept on the concrete floor with cockroaches, rats and a non working toilet in a cell and with dirty, stinking water on the floor from the broken toilet. And if that were not enough, every night cold water was thrown over me, while I tried to sleep. Afterwards I was finally taken to the C.I.A. (a concentration camp on Aruba).
44. When I arrived there my hands were totally swollen up and purple, as they had purposefully done the handcuffs too tight around my hands. On the 29th of August 2001, after having continually requested so for a long time, I could finally talk to a social worker to appoint another lawyer to me. This was not allowed, because I so called already had a lawyer!
45. I then asked for thirteen other lawyers that I would pay on my own. However, according to the social worker, all ten lawyers were occupied and had no room in their agenda to work on my case.
46. Finally I did manage to get another lawyer, namely Mr J.L. Petrocchi, who had problems of his own, as he was also (just like O.N. Flanders) addicted to alcohol.
47. On the 31st of August 2001 the judge-commissary Mr Onno E. Mulder prolonged my detention with yet another eight days. Thus he cooperated with the crime against humanity directed against me.
48. On the 4th of September 2001 I sent a letter to the judge Jaap de Vroome. I have so far not received a reply to it. On the 1st of February 2001 I nevertheless received a copy of this letter in my second file.
49. On the 4th of September 2001 I was again approached by the lady co-worker of the D.P.A.S., mrs G. Hoevertsz, that new complaints were lodged against me. I asked her whether she was police or detective. When she introduced herself, I left the room.
50. On the 5th of September 2001 I was taken to Judge-commissary John S. Kuiperdaal. I informed him for the second time what the Public Prosecuting Agency had done against me. He promised me that he would have a Judicial preliminary investigation, and that he would inform me of the results afterwards.
51. My lawyer, Mr J.L. Petrocchi, again told the judge-commissary on the 5th of September 2001 that he was not well informed of my case, because he had only recently been appointed to me.This while I had personally informed him of the details of my case after I had been to judge-commissary Mr Cor Slothouder; for already on the 29th of August 2001 Mr J.C. Petrocchi had been appointed to me.
52. On the 6th of September 2001 at approximately 11:00 a.m. I received a writ of summons of the hearing of a case on the 7th of September 2001 at 15:30 p.m. I further on was taken to the building of the court of justice at 14:30 P.M. on the same day concerning a summary proceeding brought against me. Again I forcedly had to defend myself without a lawyer in that summary proceeding; apart from that I was also forced to pay all costs of the summary proceeding myself.
53. For the rest I was not permitted to go home afterwards, because I would be arrested by the police if I tried to do so. Finally I was convicted on the basis of the ‘contaminated’ file from the Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba, with the number P-01059/01. This concerned the criminal proceedings of which the mentioned file was not yet finished at that moment as I was then not yet convicted. For the mentioned criminal case I was at that moment still under arrest pending trial.
54. To make things worse it was the same judge who tried to deport me to the Netherlands on the 28th of February 2001, namely Mr E.M. Debby Angela, a judge in the civil procedures as well as in the criminal procedure against me. I was unexpectedly condemned in a closed court room session at the court of justice without a lawyer present. All this happened IN THE NAME OF THE QUEEN BEATRIX and in front of her state portrait and by a judge on the basis of forged documents and committed forgery.
55. What is most ironic in this case is that on the same day, namely on the 6th of September 2001, the beds for which I was still jailed, were taken with A-1 transport (from Jos Steenman’s store).
56. On the 11th of September 2001 I verbally (not in written form) protested against my detention.
57. On the 12th of September 2001 Mr J.L. Petrocchi came to visit some clients in detention. He did not visit me, but did leave behind a bill of 1500 Aruban florins for me, according for the fact that he had appeared at the judge-commissary on the 5th of September 2001 to tell him that he had just been informed of my case.
58. On the 14th of September 2001 I received the sentence as described in the numbers 52 and 53 and it was written that I was condemned on the 7th of September 2001.
59. On the 19th of September 2001 I was taken to the court chambers owing to my lodged objection against my detention. The lawyer J.L. Petrocchi did not appear. Mr Teresa Diana Croes-Fernandes Pedra, acting as chairman of the court present in chamber session, however, insisted on continuing with the case. In that case were present the District Attorney Mr Willem Ruud Rosingh and the judges were Mrs Onno E. Mulder and Jaap de Vroome.
60. I told Mr Teresa Diana Croes-Fernandes Pedra explicitly and in a loud voice that I would only let my case continue when my lawyer was present. She accepted that and the continuation of my case was placed to the 26th of September 2001.
61. In the CIA I was called on the 26th of September 2001 at approximately 18:10 p.m. (after office hours) because my lawyer wanted to see me. When I came at his office Mr J.C. Petrocchi was sitting in his waiting room while being drunk. He told me not to worry, because I would be released on the day of the treatment of my objection. I told him that yesterday I had to postpone the discussion of the hearing of my case by the court to the 26th of September 2001, because he had not appeared. He told me that he had not been informed. I, am a victim of crimes against humanity, committed by the government of the insular territory Aruba under the auspices of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:21:17 PM


62. I asked Mr J.L. Petrocchi to show me my criminal dossier. He told me that it was not allowed because the district Attorneys Mrs Hemmes Boender and Lugo had forbidden that.
63. I became very angry and threatened to maltreat him with a chair if he did not show me the criminal file. I also said that I would lodge a complaint against him for the fact that he appeared drunk before me and also because he had visited me in prison outside of office hours.
64. I grabbed his dispatch case and in it was my criminal dossier. Then I discovered that the statement of my wife and of me were contaminated. Mr J.L. Petrocchi then told me that the Public Prosecuting Agency was committing a crime against me. He accused the lawyer O.N. Flanders of this, because he already had to clear me at the first instance. He promised me to clear me on the 26th of September 2001 and confirmed that the statements added to the file were out of the ordinary. Then he left.
65. On the 26th of September 2001 my objection against continuation of sixty days came up for hearing. The lawyer Mr J.L. Petrocchi told me to remain quiet during the hearing of the case. I told him that I was going to speak to defend myself.
66. When the mentioned hearing began, the chairman Mr. Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra said the same thing to me that I should not speak. I nevertheless did not me be silenced and I told her that I was going to speak anyway. Then she let me speak after which I loudly argued my case.
67. In it I brought forward that I had been put in detention for forty four days on the basis of the statement of one person only. I next said that the whole dossier was contaminated and had its foundation on falsified documents and forgery. I next asked Mr Teresa Diana Croes to immediately release me and to declare the Public Prosecuting Agency was disallowed the prosecution of my case.
68. After that she allowed Mr Willem Ruud Rosingh to speak. Mr Rosingh was very short and concise in his requisition and said that there was no evidence against me of threats and malicious injury to property. For that reason I could go home right away as far as he was concerned.
69. After Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes had looked at the Head District Attorney Mr Willem Ruud Rosingh, the latter suddenly said that he wanted to see a psychiatric rapport concerning me. Afterwards he remained silent.
70. Then the lawyer Mr J.L. Petrocchi spoke, he too was short and concise. He said that this case concerned a family problem one to one, that there was no proof of threats or malicious injury to property. He then asked for my immediate release. Next an adjournment of ten minutes was asked.
71. When they returned the chairman Mr Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra, together with Mr Debby Angela and Mr Petra de Bruin said that the objections and arguments which had led to the order of detention still existed.
72. I then clearly told Mr Teresa Diana Croes that I would not cooperate with an psychiatric examination; that a healthy person does not need a medical doctor and that only sick people need a doctor.
73. On the 27th of September 2001 I received a copy from the closed chamber of the court. To my amazement I saw that malicious injury to property was changed into maltreatment by chairman Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra, Mr Petra de Bruin and Mr E.M. Debby Angela.
74. On the 1st of October 2001 I sent a letter to the head district attorney Mr Ginkel. This letter was answered on the 10th of October 2001 by the head district attorney and acting head district attorney Mr Frits C.V. de Groot. He advised me to lodge my complaint against the public prosecuting agency by means of my lawyer and the district attorney who handled my case.
75. In my letter I had clearly pointed out to him the fact that my rights had been trampled upon by the district attorneys Mrs Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boender and Eliva Elvira Lugo, that they, lawyers, police and the public prosecuting agency were violating my human rights.
76. On the 3rd of October 2001 I sent for the fifth time an angry letter to the chairman of the court of appeal at Curaçao, Mr Luis A.J. de Lannoy, as he had so far not answered any of my previous letters. This time he did respond on the 17th of October 2001. He told me that if I were not able of forwarding my complaints in a decent and civilised manner he then did not wish to correspond with me and all my future letters would remain unanswered, so replied Mr Ing Luis J.A. de Lannoy.
77. On the 4th o October 2001 I sent a letter to the governor of Aruba Mr Olindo Koolman, Mr Nelson Oduber and mrs Marisol Tromp and to Mr Rudy Croes. The last three were at the time members of the opposition, they were members of parliament.
78. The governor of Aruba, Olindo Koolman, Nelson Oduber and Marisol Tromp have to this day not reacted to a single letter of me. The only one who had replied to my letter of the 12th of December 2001 was Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes as the Secretary of Justice. His reply hit me like a cold shower.
79. After I had explained everything in my letter concerning the crimes of the public prosecuting agency, he informed me to bring a charge against the public prosecuting agency through my lawyer and that the complaint would then be handled by the public prosecuting agency self. I was ignored and my rights were again trampled upon.
80. In the newspaper “La Prensa” of the 18th of December 2001, page 22, there was written that the secretary of justice Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes had suspended the managing director of the C.I.A.
81. The secretary of justice Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes had learned the information from gossip by other co- workers of the C.I.A. What is striking is that those co-workers were or are members of M.E.P., the political party of the secretary.
82. On the 24th of January 2002 there again was written in the newspaper “La Prensa” on page 24 that the secretary of justice Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes had publicly apologised to a co-worker (mrs Miriam Jansen) of ATA, because he had taken away her official car on basis of gossip and without a reason regarding it.
83. Namely he was called by telephone by someone who ‘told’ him (gossip) that mrs Miriam Jansen used the official car in weekends to drive around with her members of the family. Without thinking the secretary of justice Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes immediately had the official car taken away from her. It later on turned out that she had driven around with international reporters in the weekend and had therefore been working!
84. The secretary of justice Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes takes measures on the basis of gossip, but my case he does not take seriously. And that while I do have proof and have demonstrated that I am discriminated against, am treated unfairly and my rights are trampled upon.
85. On the 4th of October 2001 I was locked up exactly fifty two days on the basis of the statement of one person who had lodged a false complaint against me. The statement of that person is additionally falsified by police officer Geraldine Annette Frolijk Olivierra. So this means that S.A.T.O. taking down the procès-verbal has committed forgery.
86. On the last mentioned date the person who had–in a plot-lodged a complaint against me through his lawyer, had abused my innocent under aged children. My under aged children were namely manipulated to testify against me and make slandering statements against their wills and without them realising what they were doing.
87. In the copy of the procès-verbal my children were first taken down as ‘witnesses’. Whereas they received the status of ‘suspects’ at the end of the procès-verbal.
88. On the 12th of October 2001 I sent a letter to the head district attorney Mr Frits de Groot in which I again told him everything concerning me what was going on. I have never received a reply to this letter.
89. But it is written in the newspaper ‘Diario’ of December 2001, on page 89, that the head district attorney , Mr Frits C.V. de Groot, had called to account the managing director of C.I.A., Mr G. Keteldijk, because he had heard on the radio (on station Top 95) that he had given a prisoner, mr G. Paulina (the former managing director of the D.O.O.V.) privileged treatment. So he does take his time to react to gossip. Which he had nota bene heard on the radio and had taken measures. This is the state of affairs at the public prosecuting agency of Aruba.
90. On the 14th of October 2001 I was called because I so called had a “visitor” for me. When I went to the visiting room, there was nobody there. Then I was told that my visitor was sitting in the office. I walked up to there and encountered a Dutch gentleman whom I absolutely did not know. I introduced myself, but he did not do so. After I had asked him three times for his name and when I told him I would leave if he did not answer, he replied after much hesitation that he was a psychiatrist. I asked him what he wanted of me.
91. He told me that he had come on the instructions to make a psychiatrist rapport of me. I told him that the public prosecuting agency had no right to send him to me without me having been informed. I also said to the psychiatrist that the public prosecuting agency had no right to make a psychiatrist rapport of me without my permission, because I had clearly told Mr Teresa Diana Croes that I would not cooperate with people who are mentally not all right and who also violate human rights. I thanked him for coming and I left.
92. He called me back and asked me to listen to him. I did so and he asked me why I did not wish to cooperate. I told him I did not want to cooperate because the public prosecuting agency is corrupt, falsifies documents, commits forgery and also violates the rights of man. Then I left.
93. On the 24th of October 2001 I got a strange summons from judge-commissary M r John S. Kuyperdaal. When I arrived there, the lawyer J.L. Petrocchi arrived. He hesitated for a long time and finally said that I had to declare myself guilty. If I complied the case would be closed after which I could go home, so said Mr Petrocchi. In a reaction to that I told him that he now wanted me to declare myself guilty while he had previously asked for clearance for me on the 26th of September 2001. These two points of view taken in by Mr Petrocchi conflict with each other and are utterly incomprehensible; apart from that Mr J.L. Petrocchi himself has a large problem being addicted to alcohol. For that reason I then fired him.
94. I was then summoned by the clerk of the court. We were four persons together in the closed chamber of the court: Judge-commissary Mr John S. Kuyperdaal, the clerk of the court, a court supervisor and I. After waiting for some time I asked them why they had not yet begun. They told me that they were waiting for my lawyer. I told that they could stop waiting for my lawyer, because I had already fired him.
95. The judge-commissary Mr John S. Kuyperdaal said that the psychiatric rapport was ready.
96. I asked judge-commissary John S. Kuyperdaal which psychiatric rapport he was referring to. He did not reply, but said to me that the case would be closed and if I wanted to say anything to that. I told him that they had already been doing exactly what they wanted and that they could continue doing so so far as I was concerned. I told judge-commissary Mr John S. Kuiperdal that he violated human rights and was corrupt.
97. The court supervisor John Maduro was also present and he summoned me to respect the judge-commissary. I told him that such was impossible, because he did not respect my human rights and cooperated in a plot against the rights of man.
98. He told me that he would make a rapport against me. I told him that he first had to make a rapport against his superior Gerard Keteldijk and his colleagues who also abused the human rights of prisoners and that he could only then submit a rapport against me. I also told him that he was not informed of the fact that he was not allowed to be in the closed chamber of the court. He then remained silent.
99. On the 26th of October 2001 I was punished for sixty days by supervisor Bolchi Rodriquez because I had told another prisoner, who was sick, that already for five months there had not been a medical doctor present in the CIA.
100. On the 30th of October 2001 I was maltreated and strangled by supervisor Gregory Rodriguez, Bolchi Rodriguez’s brother, because I had protested against my detention and had stated that I would lodge complaints. I lodged a complaint against supervisor Grovel, but nothing was done with it. Because one person covers the violations of another.

Part three (3)of:
THE WORK OF THE PUBLIC PROSECUTING AGENCY OF ARUBA OF THE INSULAR TERRITORY OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS!!!

Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | April 25, 2008 at 07:24 PM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:22:26 PM


101. On the 31st of October 2001 I was again called by Mr John S, Kuyperdaal. For the umpteenth time I asked him personally and by means of a letter without success to give me access to the dossier of my criminal case. He then said to me that it was not he who had prolonged my detention, but that it happened on the instructions of district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boender. My detention was again continued for thirty days. I called Mr John S. Kuyperdaal corrupt and a violator of human rights and walked away.
102. On the 13th of November 2001 I was suddenly for the first time unexpectedly called to go to the psychiatrist. I refused to do so. But supervisor XXX whom I knew and who wanted to go shopping in the city said me to go anyway; we could cruise for a while in the city and if I didn’t want to go to the psychiatrist, we would just return home to the prison. I am a victim of crimes against humanity, committed by the government of the insular territory under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands.
103. We drove around in the city and next we went to the psychiatrist. I told the psychiatrist that the supervisor had to stay with me in the consultation room. But the psychiatrist nevertheless sent him away. Then the psychiatrist Hendrikus Antonio’s Eldimiro van Gaalen that a new complaint was lodged against me. I asked him whether he was a detective or police and I next left his office.
104. On the 15th of November 2001 I finally received the dossier of the criminal case of the public prosecuting agency of Aruba, numbered P-01059/01. To my amazement all documents were falsified by the abovementioned persons. Briefly, a contamination dossier, just like those who compiled it. The mentioned dossier contained extra articles of law of the Penal Code, but the corresponding criminal facts connected to them were absent.
105. Also the act of appeal with my handwriting on it was falsified by supervisor Beltran Odor of the Population C.I.A.
106. On the 17th of November 2001 we heard around 22.00 p.m. a hard yelling. We concluded immediately that a fight was going on. Next day we heard that some guards had thrown a sheet over the face of their victim ( a prisoner called Alex Matthew in the CIA concentration camp in Aruba) and had him then completely beaten up.
107. Owing to the fact that all lawyers were too occupied to handle my case, my sister finally sent me another lawyer to me on the 21st of November 2001, namely Harold Falconi. I told him everything and showed him all documents. He told me that not a single date in the dossier was matching anymore since the district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boender had falsified the instructions of incarceration and had therefore committed forgery. He also said that additional articles of Penal Law had been added, without the matching offences, thus H. Falconi.
108. The lawyer Harold Falconi confirmed to me that the public prosecuting agency is corrupt. He made an appointment with me for the 26th of November 2001 and promised to help me.
109. On the 21st of November 2001 I received a summons (subpoenated) by the district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders to appear nine days later at court in the first instance on the 30th of November 2001 without a lawyer (with only nine days to go).
110. On the 25th of November 2001 my daughter came to visit me. She asked me to forgive her what she had stated against me contrary to the truth. She also said that she had been put out of the house three weeks before that. She asked me to leave the crimes in the hands of God.
111. On the 26th of November 2001 the lawyer appeared. Harold Falconi then said to me that I could yell to him as much as I wanted but that he did not believe what I had told and shown him. He said that the public prosecuting agency was right.
112. I asked him if he did not have principles or integrity so that he could say those things to me. He told me that he would again go to the public prosecuting agency and that he would come back the next day to defend me.
113. On the 27th of November 2001 the lawyer Harold Falconi returned and said to me that my case was a “simple” case. I only had to declare myself guilty and I would then be released without having to appear before the judge. I refused, however, to declare myself guilty contrary to the truth.
114. He then said that we had a difference of opinion and that he would return the money paid to my sister and he walked away. Till this day Harold Falconi did not return the money and is never available at his office. (the lawyer Harold Falconi also secretly collaborated with the abovementioned persons). I know him and he has his own problems: he is namely addicted to gambling and attends cock fighting-tournaments (en gallera) to earn money. Harold Falconi has swindled me.
115. On the 30th of November 2001 my name appeared in the most read morning paper ‘Diario Aruba’ on page 21, between the names of a lot of heavy criminals : namely bank robbers, burglars, rapers of women, drug dealers, persons on drug addiction and similar. Under my name literally was written that I had to appear before the court for maltreatment, making threats to bodily harm, burglary and a lot more. The spokesman of the public prosecuting agency of Aruba was at the time the super district attorney Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo.
116. On the 30th of November 2001 I appeared at the court session in first instance without a lawyer. I had urgently requested a lawyer, without success, however. I then told them that they had manipulated all the lawyers, so that I was without one. They nonetheless refused to honour my request and Mr Petra de Bruin simply began with the treatment of my case in court.
117. District attorney Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders started with the question if I wanted to go back to the Netherlands. I told her I would go back to the Netherlands when I wanted and not when they wanted that. I told her that Aruba was my country of birth and nobody has the right to deport me from my own country. She told me that this case was very serious, as I was a danger to society.
118. Afterwards she again asked me whether I wanted to go to the Netherlands I repeated that Aruba was my country of birth and that nobody could send me away from it. She then nodded with her head, repeated the fact that I refused to leave Aruba and pulled out a psychiatric rapport from under all her papers and began reading out aloud from it. In the psychiatric rapport was written that I was a danger to society as well to myself, so district attorney Hemmes-Boenders. She then added that I should be compulsory interned in the Netherlands in a psychiatric hospital in he framework of disposal to the government.
119. While she went on reading aloud all that nonsense, I asked three times in a loud voice to the judge Mr Petra de Bruin to call to account the district attorney for what she was saying. She abused her power, she was lying and making threats and I felt that my health and life were in danger. I was use of my rights and obligations as a human being. And as my human rights were in danger through the fault of a white collar criminal, namely Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders. As a protest I threw my chair towards her ( to her left side of the body).
120. In between I casually mention that the public prosecuting agency of Aruba has also manipulated the media by handing out false information over me. She had namely, contrary to the truth, told that I already had had psychiatric problems in the past and that my psychiatric report was long. I moreover declare that I have never in my life had dealings with a psychiatrist, so I have never been examined by a psychiatrist.
121. The judge Petra de Bruin asked me whether I had declared that the public prosecuting agency was corrupt. I confirmed her question and also said that I could prove it.
122. The judge Petra de Bruin became as red as a tomato and then began to talk about something else. She mentioned the fact that my children had made a statement against me. But she forgot to mention that such had happened under the influence of manipulation and force.
123. The district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders said that I was for 75 % not responsible for my deeds and that I compulsory had to be locked up in a psychiatric institution in the Netherlands or on Curaçao.
124. I ask myself who is making a fool of who?
125. If I were not accountable for 75%, how is it possible then that I have to stand before a judge and a district attorney and besides have to account for myself without a lawyer or other representative? Again the question must be asked who is making a fool of who? What is hidden under these facts? Are these persons honest? Do they have principles?
126. Why are negotiating judge Mr Petra de bruin and district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders, who are 100% accountable with me concerning my freedom? I who am 75% unaccountable?
127. They who know better, if I am unaccountable for 75%, are negotiating with a man who is for 75% unaccountable for his deeds. Who is fooling who? European persons of Dutch nationality, judges and district attorneys are those who commit crimes. There is no difference between Adolf Hitler and this gang of criminals!
128. This is a shame! Violence against a psychiatric patient; violence against integrity, justice, human rights and so on committed by judges and district attorneys.
129. Because the public prosecuting agency of Aruba was well informed of all their deeds, they wanted to lock me up in a psychiatric institution and ruin my mental health so that they could cover up all their crimes. The so called judge said afterwards that she would pronounce in fourteen days.
130. In the CIA I was locked up for three days in my own cell. I was allowed nothing, not even “given an airing”. On the 3rd of December 2001 I was locked up for ten days in a solitary confinement cell. When the guard brought me to that cell, he accidentally opened up by accident ‘’a wrong’’ cell. I could look inside (by means of the light of the opened door); so in the dark confinement cell a man was laying handcuffed to hands and at his feet a chain. He was of Colombian nationality (CIA concentration Camp Aruba).
131. Then we went to another solitary confinement cell; cell number 5. In there I saw a native man from Aruba, called Alex Matthew, he was naked and also tied to hands and feet. Mister Matthew was severely maltreated. The Colombian as well as mister Matthew were thirsty and yelled in vain for water. I was locked up in solitary confinement cell number 4, without light, fresh air and water on the instructions of managing director Gerald Keteldijk at CIA Concentration Camp Aruba.
132. On the 4th of December 2001 I was called for an appointment request by me with the Committee of Supervision. Yet I refused to go to the appointment, because Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo would function as Committee of Supervision at this meeting.
133. On the 8th of December 2001 at 09.00 a.m. we heard a loud noise in the CIA from our solitary confinement cells. In the afternoon a man called Isidro Blancheville was taken to the solitary confinement cell complex. He told us that the supervisor Grovell and two more guards had tied him with handcuffs to the bars and had then maltreated him. He was so badly maltreated that his arm was fractured. Two days later he was taken along. After a week he came back and ha bandages round his whole arm (CIA concentration camp Aruba).
134. On the 14th of December 2001 I again went to the court for the sentence conform the judgement of judge Mr Petra de Bruin. I had to be locked up for one year in a pschychiatric institution. With other words I got an arrangement, instead of punishment. The arrangement would be carried out as follows: when the year had passed, the judge would three weeks later again pronounce sentence. Then the mentioned arrangement would be continued for yet another year. And so it would continue. I would then be locked up in a psychiatric institution for the rest of my life.
135. After the judge Mr Petra de Bruin had read aloud her judgement, I wanted to protest against that, because this was a plot against me under the guidance of Super district attorney Mr Eliva Elvira Lugo, the head district attorney Mr Drs Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes, colleagues and cronies. I was next dragged outside by the security guard of the public prosecuting agency, called Dutch Jake. Jake hit me with his fist in my back and even pulled at my ears. He did so as well on the return journey from the court as when returning to the prison.

Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | April 25, 2008 at 07:27 PM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:24:39 PM


136. On Saturday the 15th of December 2001 at about 13.00 p.m. the psychiatrist Hendrikus Antonio’s Eldimiro van Gaalen came to my cell without my permission. He begged me to listen to him for a moment and told me that the psychiatric report from which Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders had quoted on the sitting in court had not been drawn up by him.
137. On the 17th of December 2001 I put in an appeal against the sentence in first instance by Mr Petra de Bruin.
138. Seven days after the judgement on the 21st of December 2001 I received a summons from the head district attorney, acting public prosecutor Mr Frits C.V. de Groot to appear on the 3rd of January 2002 at 11.00 a.m., so 19 days later at the sitting of the court of appeal of justice. That same night we had a cell roll call. I then told to commissary of police Jan van Straten what had happened in the CIA and what they had done to me. He took his time to listen to me and confirmed that this was inhuman and wrong.
139. On the 3rd of January 2002 at 11.00 a.m. I appeared to their amazement on the sitting of the court (normally speaking not a single person appears on a sitting of the courting so short a time).
140. On that day I communicated to that slyly operating public prosecutor, violator of human rights, Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo, the chairman of the court of appeal Mr Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes Pedra, the judge, Mr Onno E. Mulder and Mr Jaap de Vroome that I wanted to have no dealings with them. I also demanded that I wanted judges from Curacao for my case and that a lawyer had to be present. Finally after long discussions they honoured my request, before at first refusing to comply with my demands.
141. In the meantime the real head district attorney acting public prosecutor Mr Frits C.V. de Groot was sitting in a hiding place waiting for his colleagues busy negotiating and violating human rights.
142. Afterwards the president Mr Teresa Diana Croes Fernandes asked me if I thought that the public prosecutor agency was a criminally organised network. My answer was :”Yes, I told that I could even prove it and you are now also confirming my allegation with that question” .
143. On the 24th of January 2002 after the head district attorney Mr Frits C.V. de Groot, also acting public prosecutor, had come out of his place of hiding, I received another summons from him to appear on Monday the 18th of February 2002 to appear before the court. I am a victim of crimes against humanity, committed by the government of the insular territory Aruba under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands.
144. On the 24th of January 2002 my sister sent a lawyer Mr Rossi Marchena to me. I explained everything that was going on. He told me that the public prosecuting agency was committing a crime against me and that such was a bloody shame!
145. He looked at all the documents I had with me. He promised me that he would go to the public prosecuting agency to fetch my dossier of my penal case and that I had to trust him because he would help me. After four days I called my sister. She told me that Mr Marchena had told her that he had demanded from Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders to immediately release me, because I was held illegally captive. Her answer was that this was impossible, because I was an aggressive person and that in the Netherlands I had stabbed my brother.
146. On the 1st of February 2002 I received the make-shift copy of the dossier of my criminal case; my authentic dossier had become lost ’just like that’. In the dossier were amongst things a psychiatric report drawn by H. Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen and the criminal sentence of the 14th of December 2001 by Mr Petra de Bruin, which was scandalous!
147. On the 13th of February 2002 Mr Rossi Marchena came up to me. He told me the same thing he had told my sister, namely that he had demanded from the public prosecution agency to release me, because I was ‘illegally’ imprisoned. As a reaction to that the public prosecutor agency had communicated that such was impossible, because I was an aggressive person and that I had stabbed my brother in the Netherlands.
148. Mr Marchena told me that he could let the measure already applied, the captivity in a psychiatric institution, changed into a prison sentence of one year and a half (by means of an agreement with the public prosecuting agency). To realise this, however, I had to sign that I agreed with that. I refused to do so, however, because I was innocent. I told him that I had to be released from prison. He shared my opinion and said that we would again meet on the 18th of January 2002 at court. He still expressly said to trust him.
149. On the 18th of January 2002 in the morning, when we were sitting in the bus on the way to the court of appeal of justice, an order was given by radio to the guards to chain me on hands and feet. Once I had arrived there, the chains were loosened again and I was freed from my awkward situation. On the abovementioned date Mr Frits C.V. de Groot, head district attorney/acting public prosecutor was again sitting in his hiding place.
150. After a while the fake acting public prosecutor general, violator of human rights, Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo came up to major Franklin Tromp and ordered him to immediately chain me at hands and feet.
151. I saw and heard that myself. When I protested against this, major Franklin Tromp said to me: “You heard and saw who gave the order, didn’t you? Public prosecutor general Mr Lugo has given that order”; so spoke major Tromp.
152. Once in front of the bench, I respectfully greeted the members of the court, namely chairman Mr M.M.M. Tillema, Mr B.M. Mesa and Mr D. van den Brink. Afterwards I asked the president of the court of appeal if my chains could be released, because I was sane and healthy and not dangerous, as was claimed. Because the people who had imprisoned me and had given the order to bind me at hands and feet, were sick and dangerous.
153. She asked me if I promised to behave and that she could trust me. I repeated that I was sane and healthy and that I knew what I was doing; it was her choice whether she wished to trust me. She immediately gave the order to loosen the chains, though the devious public prosecutor Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo, a violator of human rights, clearly showed that she did not approve and preferred having me chained up.
154. The treatment of the case could then begin. The judge, Mrs Mr M.M.M. Tillema, immediately began with reading the procès-verbal and next the statement of the person who had lodged a complaint against me. I told the judge that she should first ask me why I had put in an appeal before with beginning with the reading of the aforementioned statement. Afterwards she let me speak. I then told her that I was locked up without having committed crimes, proof, witnesses and on the basis of a dossier of a criminal case founded upon falsified statements and forged documents.
155. After she had read the statement concerned, she asked me in a strange manner if I understood the Dutch language. I explained to her that I read, spoke and wrote Papiamento, Spanish, English and German.
156. When she began with the psychiatric report, I explained to her that I had never in my life been examined by a psychiatrist and that the psychiatric report concerned was falsified for that reason. At that moment my lawyer Mr Rossi Marchena rose and said to adjourn the treatment of the case for a moment.
157. Next Mr Marchena requested to the acting president Mr M.M.M. Tillema to treat the case with closed doors, because he wanted to make some kind of statement. The public had to leave the hall. Once everybody was outside, the treatment of the case continued.
158. He said that I had asked him to call up as a witness five prisoners, the psychiatrist Dr H. Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen, all district attorneys and judges who had had dealings with the dossier. Acting public prosecutor general head district attorney Mr Frits C.V. de Groot did not agree with that.
159. Immediately afterwards public prosecutor Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo rose and asked to speak and demanded to let me be locked up in a psychiatric institution, because I was not responsible for 75 % for my deeds and besides dangerous to society and to myself.
160. In view of this demand I asked the lawyer Rossi Marchena what kind of game he was playing. He let the public, that consisted out of my family, be taken out of the hall to let me be tried alone in the court in a closed court session.
161. when the acting president Mr M.M.M. Tillema understood what was going on, she gave the order to let the public again enter. When the public had entered, Mr M.M.M. Tillema said that the treatment of the case would be continued on the 25th of March 2002 and closed the court session.
162. Afterwards the judge congratulated me and said that I had behaved well and that I had proven to be clear headed. She then advised me to seek a ’second opinion’ at another psychiatrist. I told her that there never was a ‘first’ opinion, so let alone search for a ‘second’ opinion.
163. On the 25th of February 2002 the lawyer Mr Marchena came up to me and told me to have me examined by the psychiatrist Dr Broekhoven. I refused to do so. He asked me why I did not want that. I told him my sister had called Dr Broekhoven. She had got an answering machine at the line which conveyed the message that if Dr Broekhoven was not available, Dr Hendricus Antonio’s Eldimiro van Gaalen should then be called, because they cooperated.
164. Mr Marchena continued begging me to do it after all and if the report was still negative for me, he would then destroy the report. I nonetheless still refused to cooperate to a first psychiatric examination.
165. After this the lawyer Mr Marchena took out a laptop computer and pinned in a number. He next wrote something on the viewing screen after which he again removed everything. Afterwards he again pinned in the number and asked me to write on the viewing screen the reason why I did not want to cooperate to a psychiatric examination that would be done by Dr Broekhoven. I wrote on the viewing screen in Papiamento:” Because the public prosecuting agency of Aruba is corrupt and falsifies documents”. I then urgently asked to stop nagging about “psychiatrist”. I told Mr Marchena that he had to take action with the fact that he knew a plot was going on against me and that a lot of documents were falsified.
166. The following persons were involved one way or the other with the falsified documents. Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo, Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders, public prosecutor Mr Teresa Croes-Fernandes Pedra, Mr Willem Ruud Rosingh, Mr Petra de Bruin, Mr E.M. Debby Angela, Mr Frits C.V. de Groot, assistant district attorney Mr O. Rasmijn, Mr John S. Kuyperdaal, Mr Cor Slothouder, Mr Ono Mulder, Mr Jaap de Vroome, Dr H. Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen, Mr G. Hoevertsz, from the Stichting Reclassering (Foundation of Rehabilitation of prisoners), a co-worker of population (registration), CIA Beltran Odor, Alicia Leonard CIA, police officer taking down a procès-verbal Geraldine Annette Frolijk-Olivierra and police station commander Roddel Juan de Dios Poulina, lawyers O.N. Flanders, mr. Petrochi ,Harold Falconi and mr. Rossi Marchena.
167. Mr Marchena promised me that he would work on my case and that he would return on the 19th of March 2002 (six days before my appearance in court), but his coming turned out to be false.
168. Later on my sister told me that Mr Rossi Marchena had swindled her by asking AWG 900,-- ( nine hundred Aruba florins) for a new psychiatric examination. This while I had clearly told Mr Marchena that I would not under any circumstances cooperate to a first psychiatric examination and that the public prosecuting agency should make a psychiatric report for itself for her misdeeds and violations of human rights. Mr Marchena laughed at this. Mr Rossi Marchena is himself a witness that I on the 18th of February 2002 said at court that I could not cooperate to a psychiatric report.
169. On the 26th of February 2002 I received a summons from the public prosecuting general Mr Teresa Diana Croes-Fernandes Pedra to appear on the 25th of March 2002 at 15.00 p.m. before the court of appeal.
170. On the 13th of March 2002 at 17.35 p.m. the guard Gilbert Werleman came up to me and asked me to talk to psychiatrist Hendricus Antonio’s Eldimiro van Gaalen, because he was waiting for me. I refused to do that and I told him I wanted to have no dealings with that scoundrel Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen.

Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | April 25, 2008 at 07:28 PM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 06:25:01 PM
Interesting story Carlos tells here.  He definitely has an ax to gind with officials on Aruba.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:25:36 PM


171. However, ten minutes later, so on the 13th of march 2002 at 17.45 p.m. that scoundrel Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen personally came to my cell without asking my permission and began bothering me. Because of that I threw a piece of timber at him. This gave him a start and he ran away. Then I called the supervisors Kees Hoop and the guards Juan Carlos Hessel and Gilbert Werleman.
172. I asked them why that bandit Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen came to my cell without my permission. The supervisor told me that he had clearly told him that I did not want to see him and that it was besides already past office hours. So van Gaalen kept on insisting supervisor Kees Hoop to let him go to my cell.
173. On the 25th of March 2002 at 14.00 p.m. all prisoners who had to go to the court, were taken out of their cell, except me. After I saw that it was 14.45 p.m., I asked the remaining prisoners to help me by banging on the doors till they came to get me.
174. On the 25th of March 2002 at 15.15 p.m. the guard XXX, came to me. He asked me what was the matter. I told him that I had to be at the court of appeal at 15.00 p.m. and I showed him the summons. He got angry and said that the guards who work in front also had received a copy of the summons. He did not approve of their doings and did his utmost to transport me as quickly as possible to the court of appeal.
175. I came there at 15.55 p.m. and was at once called inside by the usher. When the case began a while later I said to the chairman Mr H. de Doelder that he had not even asked me why I had appealed. I also told him that all documents and statements in the dossier of the penal case in front of him were falsified.
176. I then said to the chairman Mr H. den Doelder that it was a plot from the unjust public prosecutor general Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo, the district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders and the head district attorney of justice also acting public prosecutor general Mr Frits C.V. de Groot against me.
177. The reason for this so called plot is that I had lodged a complaint against the district attorney of justice, Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo for making threats and attempts of intimidation. And against the members of the police force I had lodged a complaint for maltreatment, theft, abuse of power and violation of human rights. It therefore has to be established that Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo and consorts have plotted by way of revenge. This with the object to have me locked up for a long period of time in a psychiatric institution so that my mental health would be ruined.
178. The acting president of the court of appeal, Mr H. den Doelder, acted as if he were deaf and let Dr Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen come forward and be interrogated under oath. The judge began to interrogate him. Dr Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen began to say that he did not recollect anything and began to speak in a negative way about me, but could not prove that he had examined psychiatrically or that he had had an appointment for a psychiatric examination.
179. After judge Mr H. den Doelder had noticed that doctor Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen was shaking (he was very nervous) and could not say when or where he had examined me, he sent him away.
180. It was clear that the psychiatrist Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen had committed perjury! I afterwards let the judge Mr H. den Doelder see the document in which the judge-commissary John S. Kuyperdaal declared that the psychiatric report of Dr Hendricus Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen was finished on the date 24th of October 2001.
181. I next let the judge Mr H. den Doelder see the copy of the psychiatric report in which Dr Antonio Eldimiro van Gaalen declared that this report was drawn up on the 20th of November 2001. The psychiatric report mentioned nothing about my upbringing, my parents, my education, my health, etcetera, etcetera. In the report were only negative things about my person.
182. Besides Eldimiro van Gaalen writes in the report that he, according to the patient (my person), now also forms part of the conspiracy against the patient. I am the victim of crimes against humanity, committed by the government of the insular territory of Aruba under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands.
183. This he did not have to write down. Because, when a doctor in reality makes a report, he is certain of his work. That is enough proof that the report is good and credible. Then he does not have to mention those stupid things.
184. Afterwards I produced the order of incarceration from the district attorney Mr Carla Jacqueline Hemmes-Boenders. In it was the date of the 15th of August 2001 while on the process-verbal stood the date of the 16th of August 2001. But this last date is the date on which I had to appear before the district attorney. That means that they have broken the law and have committed perjury by not bringing me up to a district attorney and judge-commissary within the legal time limit of 24 hours.
185. Next I produced the forged statement of my wife on the 13th of August 2001 and the forged statement on which stood contrary to the truth that it was mine. Both documents had the signatures missing. Again articles of law denoting committed crimes of fact and the order of incarceration were missing.
186. I asked the acting president of the court of appeal Mr H. den Doelder where my real statements were with my signatures on them. He responded that he did not know where they were. As a reaction to that I asked him on the basis of what he then intended to pronounce judgement. The judge did not reply to that.
187. I presented the acting president of the court of appeal from cases of different men who had severely maltreated their wives. They had only been locked up for ten days and subsequently released. These men had only received a suspended sentence. Mr H. den Doelder subsequently asked me to put all my documents on the table. He then closed the sitting and said that sentence would be pronounced the next day on the 26th of March 2002 at 11 o’clock.
188. In reality I did not have faith in this man H. den Doelder. For that reason I had only given him four copies and a receipt instead of all.
189. The plead note of the lawyer Mr Rossi Marchena appeared to be more or less fine, but on the moment of addressing the court he said totally different things, than what was written down on the plead note.
190. On the 25th of march 2002 at 19.00 p.m. I was back at CIA. To my amazement the whole wing A had received punishment for fifteen days. This because they had helped me to make noise so that I would be taken by the guards to the court. The punishment consisted of us not receiving visitors, not use the telephone, were not let out of our cells to be aired, and that the cells were not washed. The doors of the cells were locked for fifteen days . this was on the order of the managing director Freddy Maduro.
191. On the 26th of March 2002 the same thing happened as the previous day. Again they took other prisoners along and let me be remained locked up. Again making noise brought about that they came to fetch me to bring me to the court of appeal. I was called at once. On that day the judge pronounced sentence and I was condemned to ten months imprisonment.
192. I doubt the integrity of the court of appeal of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. This because I was sentenced for ten months without me being told the reason of this sentence.
193. Besides I have not till today received the judgement concerned. I went several times to the court of appeal of justice in the J.G. Emaustraat # 51-and the public prosecuting agency of Aruba, at the time situated on the Avenida Alo Tromp # 1 with the urgent request to receive the mentioned arrest. My request, however, was never granted. Every time I was told to go to Curacao or to my lawyer to receive the arrest. So the court of appeal so far still pertinently refuses to hand over the arrest to me. Further I have made contact by telephone with the court of appeal of justice on Curacao to look if I could get the arrest concerned; however, without any luck. As soon as they heard my name and knew what I was calling for they let me wait on the line.
194. Also with my lawyer Mr Marchena I was met with a rebuff. My request was not granted. So he too kept stringing me along for a long time. Three times I personally was at his office and three times I was made a fool of.
195. On the 23rd of August 2002 for the fourth time Mr Rossi Marchena told me to go take a seat while he went to fetch the arrest. Behind my back he called the police and told them that I was bothering him and that I was a thief.
196. I explained to the police that I had paid Mr Marchena to defend me and had till this moment not given me the arrest. The police said that I had to return in two weeks to give him time to find the arrest.
197. After two weeks I received nothing. Also after four years and till today I have not received anything. What kind of criminals are the Dutch police?
198. AND WHAT NOW?
199. I again address the head of state, Queen Beatrix, for the fourth time to know of which human rights the queen preaches in the world, because her representatives trample upon the rights of man with their feet.
200. To make a long story short, it was not possible for me in one way or the other to receive the judgement in which I was sentenced to ten months of imprisonment by the court of appeal.
201. This is also contrary to a fair and honest proceeding of a trial and therefore a flagrant violation of human rights by the Dutch justice department. And they claim to deserve respect, those violators of the rights of man!
202. I believe that the Dutch justice department is a house of worship of Satan! They call worldwide for respect of the rights of man and that is bold! With the foundation of the violation of human rights on their conscience and in practice! They want to mislead everybody worldwide with a view to economic advantages!
203. On the 10th of April 2002 I was finally released from prison. At the moment I was not in possession of all my clothes and possessions as those were still in our house.
204. For that reason I had requested the police to accompany me to it and retrieve my personal possessions. I did so because I was sentenced to remain at a distance of fifty meters from our house by the vile summary proceedings on the 6th of September 2001 and after waiting for a week I decided on the 17th of April 2002 to go and get my things all by myself. I, however, had to return without success as nobody was home.
205. On the 18th of April 2002 at approximately 13.00 p.m. I finally went with the police to our house to come and fetch my personal belongings. I was allowed ten minutes for that. Because of that time limit I could only take along few things. The police said that I could get back the rest of the items by means of a lawyer.
206. On the 18th of April 2002 at 18.00 p.m. I again received a court summons to appear the next day the 19th of April 2002 at 15.00 p.m. before the court.
207. On the 19th of April 2002 I again appeared before the court concerning another vile summary proceedings connected to a civil law suit. I did not have money for a lawyer and it was too short a period to get a lawyer assigned to me. I asked the judge Mr E.M. Debby Angela to postpone the summary proceedings so that I could look for a lawyer. This request was nevertheless denied by Mr Debby Angela.

Part six (6)OF THE WORK OF THE PUBLIC PROSECUTING AGENCY OF ARUBA OF THE INSULAR TERRITORY OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS!!!

www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com

Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | April 25, 2008 at 07:35 PM


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:30:15 PM
Very hard to read this eloquent account of what sounds like Arubian injustice to me....and not wonder loudly if the disappearance of one Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, is not somehow connected.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:33:55 PM
Very hard to read this eloquent account of what sounds like Arubian injustice to me....and not wonder loudly if the disappearance of one Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, is not somehow connected.

Disappear a relative and shutup one :Carlos Severino Tromp? Does anyone know if these 2 men are related?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 06:39:54 PM
Very hard to read this eloquent account of what sounds like Arubian injustice to me....and not wonder loudly if the disappearance of one Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, is not somehow connected.

Disappear a relative and shutup one :Carlos Severino Tromp? Does anyone know if these 2 men are related?

Not a bad question.  When did he die?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:41:10 PM
Very hard to read this eloquent account of what sounds like Arubian injustice to me....and not wonder loudly if the disappearance of one Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, is not somehow connected.

Disappear a relative and shutup one :Carlos Severino Tromp? Does anyone know if these 2 men are related?

Not a bad question.  When did he die?

Been missing since november 27, 2007.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 06:41:19 PM
Very hard to read this eloquent account of what sounds like Arubian injustice to me....and not wonder loudly if the disappearance of one Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, is not somehow connected.

Disappear a relative and shutup one :Carlos Severino Tromp? Does anyone know if these 2 men are related?

Not a bad question.  When did he die?

Nevermind.  I see that he has been missing and TES is trying to help find him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 06:48:39 PM
Very hard to read this eloquent account of what sounds like Arubian injustice to me....and not wonder loudly if the disappearance of one Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp, age 30, is not somehow connected.

Disappear a relative and shutup one :Carlos Severino Tromp? Does anyone know if these 2 men are related?

Not a bad question.  When did he die?

Nevermind.  I see that he has been missing and TES is trying to help find him.

Yes exactly.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 06:54:44 PM
Do you remember this?

This is the 05/31/2005 murder reported in the RU post.

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

* * *


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 06:58:13 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
Do you remember this?

This is the 05/31/2005 murder reported in the RU post.

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

* * *


of course I remember... happened the same night.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2008, 07:07:42 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

PROCES-VERBAAL

Signee, Julio Cesar SAMBO, under-inspector first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, also operational commander and assigned to District II, declares the following.

On June 9th 2005 at approximately 05.45 hours, at the location of Montanja number 19, was arrested the man:

---------Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT----------

Born in the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, student and living at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX on Aruba.

There also was a search of the appartement of J.A.P. van der SLOOT performed and goods were impounded in the interest of further investigations.

During the interviews with the suspect van der SLOOT and his fellow suspects there were contradictory statements about among others the dropping off of the girl, this has raised suspicions that the missing girl “Natalee” very likely could have been at/near the apartment of van der SLOOT.

Because of this (suspicion) there are grounds to further search/investigate the appartement and to forensically process the car's of the parents.

Of this I have made this proces-verbaal closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005.

the reporting officer

J.C. SAMBO

DUTCH:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/jv0609-1.jpg

 
 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 07:11:48 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

PROCES-VERBAAL

Signee, Julio Cesar SAMBO, under-inspector first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, also operational commander and assigned to District II, declares the following.

On June 9th 2005 at approximately 05.45 hours, at the location of Montanja number 19, was arrested the man:

---------Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT----------

Born in the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, student and living at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX on Aruba.

There also was a search of the appartement of J.A.P. van der SLOOT performed and goods were impounded in the interest of further investigations.

During the interviews with the suspect van der SLOOT and his fellow suspects there were contradictory statements about among others the dropping off of the girl, this has raised suspicions that the missing girl “Natalee” very likely could have been at/near the apartment of van der SLOOT.

Because of this (suspicion) there are grounds to further search/investigate the appartement and to forensically process the car's of the parents.

Of this I have made this proces-verbaal closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005.

the reporting officer

J.C. SAMBO

DUTCH:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/jv0609-1.jpg

 
 


Police and volunteer land searches continued Wednesday with no results, while water searches, also unsuccessful, had been suspended “at this time,” police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said. “We’re getting tips,” he said, adding nothing has panned out yet.

The two men were arrested Sunday on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to court-appointed defense attorneys Noraina Pietersz and Chris Lejuez.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said. Authorities may hold the suspects for 116 days without filing formal charges.

--------------------

Police Assistant Inspector Jules Sambo. (No Picture Available.)

"We don't have any indication as to if she is alive," Sambo said. "The whole population is aware that she is missing. The police are doing everything to find her."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158384,00.html

Hi Blonde  :smt039


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 07:21:50 PM
Do you remember this?

This is the 05/31/2005 murder reported in the RU post.

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

* * *


of course I remember... happened the same night.

Well, One Happy Island 'lost' a tourist and had a murder on the beach within 48 hours.  While the name Tromp initially piqued my curiosity, I had not seen this post before and it seemed odd to me.  At that very moment, when that guy was stabbed to death, Aruba spokespeople were drumming up the "We don't have murders on Aruba" banter that they touted on our news shows for weeks and months after Natalee went missing.

Does anyone know if the the outcome of the 'invetigation' into this guy's murder?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 07:23:17 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

Max DeVries?  Well, Mr. Sambo is very busy...and very low-profile.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:23:48 PM
What is most interesting is the context of the article in which this cop is ID'd. Let me also say that his ID was confirmed by
a resident of Aruba. I tend to believe her and think her credible.

http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/frame_index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2008, 07:26:59 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)

BB  the guy on the left?
 I have had that picture for three years with no name exept ALE on it

Hello Rob


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:30:23 PM
(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05566.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)

BB  the guy on the left?
 I have had that picture for three years with no name exept ALE on it

Hello Rob


Yep


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 07:34:27 PM
Do you remember this?

This is the 05/31/2005 murder reported in the RU post.

05/31/2005 – Rastaman “C.E.M.” fatally stabbed another man (victim Juni Tromp) on the beach.
Diario
Posted 8/19/2006 at M&C by Sharon; credit to dkpen & BLEACHEDBLACK. Also by Appeals 8/29

* * *


of course I remember... happened the same night.

Well, One Happy Island 'lost' a tourist and had a murder on the beach within 48 hours.  While the name Tromp initially piqued my curiosity, I had not seen this post before and it seemed odd to me.  At that very moment, when that guy was stabbed to death, Aruba spokespeople were drumming up the "We don't have murders on Aruba" banter that they touted on our news shows for weeks and months after Natalee went missing.

Does anyone know if the the outcome of the 'invetigation' into this guy's murder?

Hi ya TS -
Actually it would have been the same night right? because Natalee didn't leave CnC til after 1 am and Tromp got stab that evening IIRC..maybe I have it wrong and it was with in 24 hours then and only.

BB - I have seen that pic.. is it Sambo with the guy that's friend almost got homosexually assaulted?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 07:35:27 PM


Does anyone know if the the outcome of the 'invetigation' into this guy's murder?

oh, there was a trail and he was convicted IIRC and I think I do in this case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:39:14 PM
Yes Rob that's the guy. At the time this "article/diary" was posted, the person who ID'd Sambo said she was surprised to see him, that he didn't like his picture taken. I think at the time she said referred to him as a police captain.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 07:44:00 PM
Yes Rob that's the guy. At the time this "article/diary" was posted, the person who ID'd Sambo said she was surprised to see him, that he didn't like his picture taken. I think at the time she said referred to him as a police captain.

Thanks BB... one small glitch with Tromp.. Juni = Junior... do we have his real name??? I don't believe I have or I have forgotten it.

Sambo was a 1st class inspector when Natalee went missing. I have also noticed that everyone tells the tourists they are the polis captain, seems to be an epidemic down there. LOL

That is the only known photo of Sambo, so I believe he does not like to have his picture taken.

I can verify it in a sec. Give me a few minutes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:46:47 PM
First name appears to be Jules.



>>>>SNIP

Police questioned and released three Aruban men who said they dropped Holloway off early Monday at the Holliday Inn, where she had been staying about 3 miles from the capital of Oranjestad, said police assistant inspector Jules Sambo. The three were not suspects, he said.

"We don't have any indication as to if she is alive," Sambo said. "The whole population is aware that she is missing. The police are doing everything to find her."

http://tinyurl.com/64merv


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 07:57:45 PM
I think in reviewing things the terms Captain and Inspector likely got confused. Sambo as is indicated is an Inspector.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 08:05:26 PM

Hi ya TS -
Actually it would have been the same night right? because Natalee didn't leave CnC til after 1 am and Tromp got stab that evening IIRC..maybe I have it wrong and it was with in 24 hours then and only.

BB - I have seen that pic.. is it Sambo with the guy that's friend almost got homosexually assaulted?

I guess 24 would be closer, however, Natalee went missing in the early hours of 5/30/05.  Either way, I find it ironic that a guy was stabbed to death on the beach just as the family and friends of a missing tourist were just arriving on the island.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 08:07:59 PM
I think in reviewing things the terms Captain and Inspector likely got confused. Sambo as is indicated is an Inspector.

It's ok... one thing stand out -> Zandaam said that the first class inspectors were not qualified and it was not a job for the commissioners. So who does the job if the FBI is shut out?

This makes absolutely no sense. And I realize that government replaces common sense, but this is ridiculous. utterly ridiculous.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 12, 2008, 08:16:22 PM
CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

Carlos Severino  also a victem of this prosecution of the PG in Aruba. I know him personaly and he went to live in German

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 12, 2008, 08:18:14 PM
CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2

Carlos Severino tromp his rights was violated by Lugo that had a special vendeta agains Carlos for defending his rights.
I met with him before he went to holand to present his case to the queen of the Netherland. He has tons of documents on the violation of his rights and was fighting Lugo till he could not more and desided to take his case to the queen himself. and went to live in Geermany.

On other subject: The Riddle now have number and they are 167 shango says post that need work.

The process has began and now we will have ref. to where some info comes from. also to which one need to be worked on.
This riddle is more like a book at the end.

No more confusions...I hope.


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 12, 2008, 08:26:41 PM
Maybe there are two.  :smt102

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2zzt30l.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 08:28:17 PM
Could be one is Julio and one is Jules?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 12, 2008, 08:32:18 PM
Could be one is Julio and one is Jules?
Could be. I dunno...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 13, 2008, 10:30:35 AM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)

BB  the guy on the left?
 I have had that picture for three years with no name exept ALE on it

Hello Rob


Yep

Do you think this is the same guy?(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/CopfromCnCs.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:51:26 AM
Hi Blonde,

Looks like it could be the same guy to me
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Sambocomparasion1.jpg)

I didn't hear back from Yvonne last night about Sambo, maybe she is busy, but she has met Sambo and has dealt with him personally. Maybe she'll email me back today.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 12:14:55 PM
Hi Blonde,

Looks like it could be the same guy to me
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Sambocomparasion1.jpg)

I didn't hear back from Yvonne last night about Sambo, maybe she is busy, but she has met Sambo and has dealt with him personally. Maybe she'll email me back today.
I Agree Rob...looks like the same person in both pics to Me Also...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 12:33:08 PM
Hi Blonde,

Looks like it could be the same guy to me
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Sambocomparasion1.jpg)

I didn't hear back from Yvonne last night about Sambo, maybe she is busy, but she has met Sambo and has dealt with him personally. Maybe she'll email me back today.
I Agree Rob...looks like the same person in both pics to Me Also...

Hi Hotping, I *think* the hair line looks a little different, but it looks very close. in my opinion anyway.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 01:23:41 PM
Hi Blonde,

Looks like it could be the same guy to me
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Sambocomparasion1.jpg)

I didn't hear back from Yvonne last night about Sambo, maybe she is busy, but she has met Sambo and has dealt with him personally. Maybe she'll email me back today.
I Agree Rob...looks like the same person in both pics to Me Also...

Hi Hotping, I *think* the hair line looks a little different, but it looks very close. in my opinion anyway.
Looks like in the pic on the right one of His curls fell forward....maybe the wind blown look.... ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
This guy is not Sambo according to Yvonne DeVries.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 04:54:49 PM
Hi Blonde,

Looks like it could be the same guy to me
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Sambocomparasion1.jpg)

I didn't hear back from Yvonne last night about Sambo, maybe she is busy, but she has met Sambo and has dealt with him personally. Maybe she'll email me back today.
I Agree Rob...looks like the same person in both pics to Me Also...

I agree they look like the same guys to me too.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 05:36:00 PM
The man in the photo is ALE. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
The man in the photo is ALE. 

Yep, but is his last name Sambo? I was told by someone that it is........Rob say's Yvonne Devries has apparently met Sambo (the same Sambo? another Sambo?) and the photo is not him. Can anyone clear this up?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:04:46 PM
Not Sambo either

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2zzt30l.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:08:33 PM
The man in the photo is ALE. 

Yep, but is his last name Sambo? I was told by someone that it is........Rob say's Yvonne Devries has apparently met Sambo (the same Sambo? another Sambo?) and the photo is not him. Can anyone clear this up?


BB - he took Yvonne's statements. She would know him and is our best shot to identify him, imo anyway... ...and she told me about him a long time ago. I'm pretty sure his face is etched in her memory. I just sent the last photo (the one with the guy in the blue shirt standing with the marines)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 06:22:03 PM
Johnny Erasmus? Rolando Maduro? Juan Bozeman? Roland Tromp?

I wanted to say Shaniro Kelly, but I can't remember for sure..Klaas knows...she told me last year.


Giovanni Croes?  Hmmm where have I heard that name before?
Marcelino Ras?  Jonathan Oman? Luigi Croes? 

And the list goes on and on...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 06:25:09 PM
Not Kelly, his myspace or whatever it was I found doesn't look like him...back to the drawing board.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 07:15:54 PM
Not him either - we're back to square one.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/CopfromCnCs.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 07:19:25 PM
The man in the photo is ALE. 

Yep, but is his last name Sambo? I was told by someone that it is........Rob say's Yvonne Devries has apparently met Sambo (the same Sambo? another Sambo?) and the photo is not him. Can anyone clear this up?


BB - he took Yvonne's statements. She would know him and is our best shot to identify him, imo anyway... ...and she told me about him a long time ago. I'm pretty sure his face is etched in her memory. I just sent the last photo (the one with the guy in the blue shirt standing with the marines)

You are right , I am sure she would know him...unless there are more than one? Not likely........the person who id'd him for me was from Aruba so I was inclined to believe........back to the old drawing board , don't believe anything until you have 3 confirmations on the fact...... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2008, 07:34:38 PM
Not him either - we're back to square one.
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/CopfromCnCs.jpg)

I don't think we ever had a positive identification on this guy.  Maybe Caps might know him?  I'll look through my photos to see if I have him identified anyway just in case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2008, 07:58:14 PM
Nope.  Looks like at one time we were wondering if he was Jacobs, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/cop.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2008, 08:13:42 PM
I think the igsignia on his shirt indicates regular KPA Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/combo20armpatch20badge20kpa.jpg)

http://www.kparuba.com/index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 07:41:31 AM
I can't find anything on Juni Tromp for an obit for 5/31/2005. the only Juni Tromp I found was around 10 years old in 2007.

Found something at Diario, but it took me to an april 2008 page.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Has anyway else looked? I may have justed missed the obvious! TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 07:47:08 AM
I have more pictures of this man(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/2710276800086243696mysFxc_ph.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 07:50:48 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/2944691180086243696qEVsSW_ph.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 08:33:43 AM
I have more pictures of this man(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/2710276800086243696mysFxc_ph.jpg)

Hi Blonde...I went over to the link that Klaas posted and looked at all the pics. I didn't see him, but that doesn't mean much...LOL

I was trying to work out the letters on his sleeve. I thought maybe O.A.C. but am not sure.

Maybe some-one can get more info from your pics.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 10:35:23 AM
Where did the original pic of him in the brown shirt with the young man come from?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 11:02:52 AM
Where did the original pic of him in the brown shirt with the young man come from?

I posted it earlier. It came from the "diary" of the young guy in the photo who went ot Aruba and posted about his trip. He ended up at this "private " night club with the man he identified/was told was a cop.

http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/frame_index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 11:03:41 AM
I have more pictures of this man(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/2710276800086243696mysFxc_ph.jpg)

Dang I can't make out anyone..........


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 12:34:00 PM
Interesting...


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono13.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 01:19:48 PM
Interesting...


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono13.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)

I have been expecting that...I am sure you have too. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 01:48:59 PM
Interesting...


(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono13.jpg) (http://www.garageband.com/user/manosalmono)

I have been expecting that...I am sure you have too. ::MonkeyWink::

Yes, it seems he's aware.

It would be nice if he'd come back and answer the hanging questions.
I can wish but I won't hold my breath.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 02:54:05 PM
VMS
Seeing that pretty much confirms to me who he is and was...what about you?  I would say I am 99% sure now.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 03:35:05 PM
VMS
Seeing that pretty much confirms to me who he is and was...what about you?  I would say I am 99% sure now.

Put me down as 99.5%.
I am convinced but I will leave that tiny bit of wiggle room.  :lol:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2008, 05:24:30 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)

BB  the guy on the left?
 I have had that picture for three years with no name exept ALE on it

Hello Rob



He is the polis captain. I found the picture and posted back in 2005 first.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 06:28:53 PM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 07:41:56 PM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)

BB  the guy on the left?
 I have had that picture for three years with no name exept ALE on it

Hello Rob



He is the polis captain. I found the picture and posted back in 2005 first.

I got this same picture back in 2005 from NH.Net and it was marked DOMPIG ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 07:45:05 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/2944691180086243696qEVsSW_ph.jpg)

Are these pictures of the search for Natalee in the Fontein area in the very beginning? I know Klaas has them saved but I don't have access to them at the moment.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 08:29:04 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20Search/2944691180086243696qEVsSW_ph.jpg)

Are these pictures of the search for Natalee in the Fontein area in the very beginning? I know Klaas has them saved but I don't have access to them at the moment.

I believe that is Dolph Richardson in the middle.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DolphRichardson4.png)

The image on the left is one I grabbed from the Dutch re-enactment. That is Richardson for sure.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:07:29 PM
That is the set of photos that was on the CoolAruba website.  I copied and put them in Webshots back in 2006.  Here's the link to the full set.  I believe these searches were from the first week of June 2005:

http://travel.webshots.com/album/549377093ygMAui


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 09:34:10 PM
That is the set of photos that was on the CoolAruba website.  I copied and put them in Webshots back in 2006.  Here's the link to the full set.  I believe these searches were from the first week of June 2005:

http://travel.webshots.com/album/549377093ygMAui

thank you


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 11:46:53 PM
Someone was asking about this the other day...

Peace Labyrinth (Alto Vista church in background)

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5637/4005032564531955661eq2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mediocre/400503256/in/set-72157594483231923/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2008, 01:29:04 AM
This guy is involved in Max and Natalee's case.

Junior inspector J.C. Sambo.

there are no known photos of him.

I think I have a photo of Sambo.

(http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg)

BB  the guy on the left?
 I have had that picture for three years with no name exept ALE on it

Hello Rob



He is the polis captain. I found the picture and posted back in 2005 first.

I got this same picture back in 2005 from NH.Net and it was marked DOMPIG ::MonkeyConfused::

From Brian's diary of his Aruba trip in 2004

http://ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_5/frame_index.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 15, 2008, 08:00:19 AM

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/Aruba-judge.jpg)

From Judge Noordhuizen's space. I think I see KJ, who are the others?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 08:40:17 AM
Vms...I can't quite work this pic out. All the black robes. Do the lawyers in aruba wear those as well? I remember the pic of Paulus and thought that was when he was a Judge in training.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 15, 2008, 08:43:50 AM
Vms...I can't quite work this pic out. All the black robes. Do the lawyers in aruba wear those as well? I remember the pic of Paulus and thought that was when he was a Judge in training.

I think so, Mum.
I just posted it since we were looking for a couple people Caps named. Probably nothing...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 08:56:59 AM
Vms...I can't quite work this pic out. All the black robes. Do the lawyers in aruba wear those as well? I remember the pic of Paulus and thought that was when he was a Judge in training.

I think so, Mum.
I just posted it since we were looking for a couple people Caps named. Probably nothing...

Thanks vms...I have been trying to track some ALE...it appears this is all one person...terrible work of record keeping in the Dr. Phil log!!! I thought lawyers would cross their T's and dot their I's. Not in Aruba!!!

Shaniro Baldrik
Shaniro Kelly
Shaniro Baldrik Kelly


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 09:15:26 AM
ShocktheMonkey!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2741.0

From Klaas ….
First started posting on the front page of SM using the name Christy White.

THEN - SAME EMAIL ADDY SAME IP

Christy White (posting from Jacksonville, FL) turned into SHOCKtheMONKEY

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
If you’ve seen the evidence and live here, you would draw the same conclusions …

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
Sim, you working tonight?

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:52 pm
Lily we are working 24 hrs to bring this to a resolution.

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Tomorrow, we’re searching the waters

Posting by proxy?

Lala’s…was Shock one thought to have worked at the airport?

Shock only posted from 6/23AM to 6/25PM…when did Simian change his tune?


TIA



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 15, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
ShocktheMonkey!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2741.0

From Klaas ….
First started posting on the front page of SM using the name Christy White.

THEN - SAME EMAIL ADDY SAME IP

Christy White (posting from Jacksonville, FL) turned into SHOCKtheMONKEY

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
If you’ve seen the evidence and live here, you would draw the same conclusions …

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
Sim, you working tonight?

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 9:52 pm
Lily we are working 24 hrs to bring this to a resolution.

ShocktheMonkey Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Tomorrow, we’re searching the waters

Posting by proxy?

Lala’s…was Shock one thought to have worked at the airport?

Shock only posted from 6/23AM to 6/25PM…when did Simian change his tune?


TIA



No...Shock was the one that Caps claims is the prosecutor...I was thinking he meant KJ.  I questioned Caps on this and never got an answer.

Shock was a poster that may have been in Aruba but the IP was from the USA.  That's all I know...I always thought from the posts that they knew Simian well, but if they IM'd each other they would sound that way too without ever having met. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 15, 2008, 10:31:08 AM
It would be interesting to see how things look comparing the posting times and dates of Shock in relation to Shango.  Could they be one and the same?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 10:47:38 AM
It would be interesting to see how things look comparing the posting times and dates of Shock in relation to Shango.  Could they be one and the same?

That would take a little work, but I am going to take a look at all of Simian's 'double' posts soon...something that has been bothering me for a while now, and will take a look at Shock's posts as well.

A little stuck on a band guy taking his computer to a gig! The post from Shock about 'are you working Sim?' was on a Saturday night at 9.19PM...just thought it strange! Maybe the bands don't start playing untill midnight down there!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 10:57:24 AM
I will post the photo of  the band here, I looked back on page 23 and foward, maybe I missed it. I don't recall reading the name Wild Fire of the band, don't even recall seeing this guys website except that one which says nothing, maybe it said more before it was removed and I missed it?

(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies..._files/InLorriesLiving.jpg)


Rocking out very hard at Lorenzo’s party


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 11:00:44 AM
(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier_files/P3182475.jpg)

(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier_files/DSC_0068.jpg)

PS I have been listening to a lot of this guys music and he is GOOD. IMO band needs to get rid of the lead singer though  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 11:08:53 AM
Oh yes, the band pic was on page 26, posted by vms said 'Lorenzo' near it. Well I posted it again for those of us who might have missed it.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 11:09:35 AM
It would be interesting to see how things look comparing the posting times and dates of Shock in relation to Shango.  Could they be one and the same?

Could 'some-one' have been IMing two posters?...ALE for example? I noticed going over the FP threads the other night that Simian seened to know just which thread to come in on. Maybe everyone did, as I didn't read back then,

BB ... there is some from page 25 to 27, I think the Wildfire link was there...IIRC Lala's listened to quite a bit of music around then! (Just going from my list and didn't read back!)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on May 15, 2008, 11:13:30 AM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 11:25:06 AM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector




Yes thank-you Kermit. I know about the "diary" and what was said in it. I have posted it years ago. The confusion is that Rob said Yvonne Devries, Max's mother the one who's son went missing in aruba says the guy in the pic from the "diary" photo  is not Sambo, as Sambo took her statement when her son went missing. He was identified to me by a poster from Aruba at the time I posted the pic as Sambo and also said at the time " suprised to see him with his picture taken, he doesn't like to have it taken".


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
It would be interesting to see how things look comparing the posting times and dates of Shock in relation to Shango.  Could they be one and the same?

Could 'some-one' have been IMing two posters?...ALE for example? I noticed going over the FP threads the other night that Simian seened to know just which thread to come in on. Maybe everyone did, as I didn't read back then,

BB ... there is some from page 25 to 27, I think the Wildfire link was there...IIRC Lala's listened to quite a bit of music around then! (Just going from my list and didn't read back!)

Yes Mum thankyou I did mention just before your last post that vms posted the photo on page 26. Didn't read further to know what Lalas has listened to, just said they sound good as a band.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 11:32:53 AM
....and I am very sure you all have seen this too, but for the sake of those of us that might have missed it:

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies....html

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/Who%27s%20that%20mule....html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 15, 2008, 11:44:00 AM
....and I am very sure you all have seen this too, but for the sake of those of us that might have missed it:

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies....html

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/Who%27s%20that%20mule....html



Do you think we have connected the right dots?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 15, 2008, 11:45:54 AM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector





 I didn't say I found the picture I said I had the picture for three years

I found it on NH.NET posted in Hopes Corner by Hope


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: vms on May 15, 2008, 11:49:58 AM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector





 I didn't say I found the picture I said I had the picture for three years

I found it on NH.NET posted in Hopes Corner by Hope

Your post was clear to me, Blonde.

It was posted here in June '05 too. Who knows who found it first and who cares???   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 15, 2008, 11:53:52 AM
Hi Kerm, Sambo was one of 34 First Class Inspectors. IIRC. Zandaam said they were not qualified to preform the work assigned in Natalee's case. I'm sure you know that... just saying.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 02:44:31 PM
Hi Kerm, Sambo was one of 34 First Class Inspectors. IIRC. Zandaam said they were not qualified to preform the work assigned in Natalee's case. I'm sure you know that... just saying.

Funny thing is he(Sambo) was apparently qualified to take Yvonne Devries statement (and hadle the case? no sure), and in Natalees case he was not qualified so they appointed a narcotics investigator.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 15, 2008, 02:52:52 PM
Hi Kerm, Sambo was one of 34 First Class Inspectors. IIRC. Zandaam said they were not qualified to preform the work assigned in Natalee's case. I'm sure you know that... just saying.

Funny thing is he(Sambo) was apparently qualified to take Yvonne Devries statement (and hadle the case? no sure), and in Natalees case he was not qualified so they appointed a narcotics investigator.

BB, I'm not sure what parts of an investigation Zandaam was referring to. He never clarified that. Sambo did take Yvonne's statement and probably those of David Stacey Sr.

I don't think there was any actual handling of the case. It was over as fast as it started.

No idea why Jacobs was appointed... but I can guess.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 15, 2008, 03:42:07 PM
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(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/WF%20Personell%20Pages/Armin%20Solognier_files/DSC_0068.jpg)

PS I have been listening to a lot of this guys music and he is GOOD. IMO band needs to get rid of the lead singer though  ::MonkeyWink::

I agree...the music isn't bad at all.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 16, 2008, 10:32:08 AM

BB, I'm not sure what parts of an investigation Zandaam was referring to. He never clarified that. Sambo did take Yvonne's statement and probably those of David Stacey Sr.

I don't think there was any actual handling of the case. It was over as fast as it started.

No idea why Jacobs was appointed... but I can guess.

Rob,
In the DeVries case, do you know what the relationship between the DeVries family and David Stacey was?  Did they know each other prior to visiting Aruba or did they meet on Aruba?

This case has always held my interest because within two weeks of Natalee's disappearance Amigo came out with a small ariticle about how some insurance investigator had just come to Aruba stating that they were investigaing Max's family for insurance fraud.  The article named Dompig as the source of that inforamtion.  Very convenient timing for that article and I suspect it was all a complete lie put out to support their hopes that no one would believe Beth and assume Natalee's family was doing the same thing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 11:22:43 AM

BB, I'm not sure what parts of an investigation Zandaam was referring to. He never clarified that. Sambo did take Yvonne's statement and probably those of David Stacey Sr.

I don't think there was any actual handling of the case. It was over as fast as it started.

No idea why Jacobs was appointed... but I can guess.

Rob,
In the DeVries case, do you know what the relationship between the DeVries family and David Stacey was?  Did they know each other prior to visiting Aruba or did they meet on Aruba?

This case has always held my interest because within two weeks of Natalee's disappearance Amigo came out with a small ariticle about how some insurance investigator had just come to Aruba stating that they were investigaing Max's family for insurance fraud.  The article named Dompig as the source of that inforamtion.  Very convenient timing for that article and I suspect it was all a complete lie put out to support their hopes that no one would believe Beth and assume Natalee's family was doing the same thing.

Hi TS -
There was no relationship prior to either David Stacey Sr or Jr approaching the DeVries family. One of them told Yvonne that they were watching the kids on the slide into the pool from the hotel window. So to answers your question - they met at LaCabana. There were stories that David Stacey Sr. was Yvonne's boyfriend, and that was totally fabricated.

of course it was all a lie. Hotel employees were used an investigative sources. They are part of the AHATA.

I wrote about it on my blog a long time ago.

here's the link
http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/04/amigoecom-uses-propaganda-and.html


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 16, 2008, 11:59:34 AM
Thanks, Rob.  I have wondered about that and will check the story on your blog.  Interesting that an American may be involved in something bad happening in Aruba without actually being the victim.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
Thanks, Rob.  I have wondered about that and will check the story on your blog.  Interesting that an American may be involved in something bad happening in Aruba without actually being the victim.

TS I have found my notes from my conversations with Yvonne. Give me a few minutes to go through them and type up what I have enclosed in the notes.

This probably does not belong in this thread and we have talked about it in the Dutch thread. I do see some info I must have forgotten..


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 16, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
Thanks, Rob.  I have wondered about that and will check the story on your blog.  Interesting that an American may be involved in something bad happening in Aruba without actually being the victim.

TS I have found my notes from my conversations with Yvonne. Give me a few minutes to go through them and type up what I have enclosed in the notes.

This probably does not belong in this thread and we have talked about it in the Dutch thread. I do see some info I must have forgotten..

Great.  And you are right. Let me know if you decide to post your information in the Dutch thread.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 01:37:22 PM
David Stacey Jr told Yvonne that he was 27 when in fact he was 34.

According to Yvonne -
the Stacey were stalking them
saw the kids playing pool
ball in the pool
dinner and playing pool (billiards)

invited Max to play a game that's how they came in contact

para-sailing invitation from the Staceys (not indicated which one)

I have a name here - Elsob - I'm not sure why this name is in my notes. I do see I wrote the words patent attorney - I do not see a reason in my notes why this is here. It must have something to do with the case. 

David Stacey Sr when taken out of water was taken to polis station. DS Sr had scratches all over his body. Knuckles, hands and up arms. I have also noted a large bruise on his chest.

Max was 6 miles off shore and in a later conversation with Yvonne I found out this is in the southern area of Aruba and 6 miles down. 6 miles south and 6 miles out to sea.

the huts where the skis were rented turned out to be illegal and were closed down the next day (draw your own conclusions here).

6 foot waves that day.

Polis interrogation was conducted in English (not sure which station this took place - possible Bubali as it was the closest to La Cabana) DS Sr. took a shower. And was in the shower when Yvonne arrived. Yvonne asked why he was allowed to take a shower and the polis told her DS SR. was cold.

interrogation was on a piece of paper and there were no follow up questions.

Max was not supposed to go beyond the sand bar but apparently they did. Max admitted that they had gone beyond the sand bar on the first trip which seem to have taken place the day or two before.

Max jet-ski'd with David Stacey Jr. first and then Sr the second time.

Yvonne's statement given in English and translated to Dutch. Paid 800 dollars to have statement translated. Turned out the statements were the same  - no alterations.

DS Sr. 300 stories

in one interrogation he changed the statement multiple times.

Search and Rescue searched for only one night.

FBI worked on case for two years and nothing has happened.

for some reason I have the megantwitty@excite.com email address written down here. Yvonne may have tried to contact the H/T through this email address. I'm not totally sure why I have that in my note and can only specualte that is why.

Paul Seute interviewed David Stacey and also interviewed Yvonne.

Seems Paul Seute threatened to arrest Yvonne over her taking the jet ski responsibility wavier.  Yvonne copied the waiver and gave back the original before handing it back.

During the investigation, David Stacey Jr. stayed the three extra days.

David Stacey Sr and David Stacey Jr met through Big Brothers and DS Sr adopted DS Jr.

DS Sr. seems to have been 51 years old when this occurred.

Last note on the pages says - told themhe was watching them from a bedroom window on slide and it creeped Yvonne out

- that's about all I have in these notes -

I do not see a reference to Jules Sambo, but do know that Yvonne has told me that he took her statement also. I'm sure she has mentioned him many times.








Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 16, 2008, 02:56:46 PM
What a creepy story and how sad for Yvonne DeVries.

6 miles out is a long way to go on a jet ski.  I wonder if there were any boats in that area then?

It makes me angry that Aruba used this 'botched investigation' to plant that seed of doubt about Natalee and her family.  These people have no souls. 

I guess that is what Shango means when he talks about Babylonians.  It puts me in mind of people who "worked for the State" back in old Russia.  Everyone feared the State unless they were part of the State.  People without souls perpetrating misery and torment on others.  That's how I think of Aruba.  Seems people are afraid to speak up.  They have to live there and do not want to upset their 'status' on the island.

I believe people on that island know what happened to Natalee and Max and Bud and Gary.  They just are too afraid to speak up.  That's how they survive in Aruba.  By keeping their mouths shut.

I think Shango may not have known what really happened to Natalee, but put together an educated guess.  Or he did know and had some bone to pick with the government. So much so he indicates they are involved in a cover up...but he seems to let Joran off the hook.  I believe in that regard, Shango got it wrong.  Joran is smack dab in the middle of Natalee's disappearance.  Did Shango 'get it wrong' on purpose?  Why would he do that?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
TS, it's a horrible story and my thoughts and prayers are with Yvonne and Dominique.

I don't know the answer to your questions about Shango, but I have a feeling that we do not know who that is still to this day. We all have out thoughts on his / her identity, but something is telling me we are all wrong. Nothing in particular and there is nothing that I know that others do not, but I think we are not on the right track.

I think this was the CIA station chief for SA based on Aruba... and we may never know that person's true identity. This person is highly educated and has a vast array of literary works at his disposal. I believe that reading is his number one hobby. This person is also possesses a photographic memory and could have an IQ of over 150. in my opinion. This is not who some are trying like all hell to fit in a round hole.

I have seen some theories that do make sense and some get pretty far, but there is no way to close the deal. Something is always missing and that's not our fault, as we can only find info that is there. If the info is hidden we can not access it.

As for the 6 miles down and out - that seems to be where DS Sr. was found when he drifted. I don't think from everything I have heard that the two went there on purpose.

In my personal psychological profile for DS Sr. I believe he has an infatuation with male children. Putting it kindly.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he has some minor (pleaded down) offenses involving male children - or - that he may have an incident in the future.

***I have no degree in psychology / just using common sense***


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 04:03:59 PM
has anyone considered that Jean Akers is Shango?

Shango posts from Florida and near the Dutch Consulate... an Attache such as Akers could have been on Aruba during the crime and in Florida to post.

An American Consul representative could have access to the Dutch Consulate and may not need to explain her whereabouts.

For some reason she got very paranoid when Frank contacted her.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 16, 2008, 04:13:58 PM
Rob I have one question to ask which has always bothered me about Max's case, and I too have followed it for some time. Without in anyway accusing Yvonne, maybe you having spoken with her might know why she left Aruba as quickly as she did after Max went missing? This is something that only in speaking with her would it be likely to get a sense of, certainly nothing was ever mentioned in the news articles. Oh with the exception of Yvonne participating in an "insurance scam", and this I don't believe. Sorry for the OT in this thread, but this question has had me wondering for a long time now. TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 04:30:13 PM
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--------------------
Dutch Consulate http://www.cgmiami.org/homepage.asp
701 Brickell Ave
5th floor
Miami, FL 33131
1-877-DUTCHHELP (phone)
1-877-388-2443 (phone)
786-866-0497 (fax)

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POLITICAL DEPARTMENT
Political Counselor: Jack Twiss Quarles van Ufford
Counselor: Peter Potman
Counselor: Dirk Dokter
Police/Justice Counselor: Richard Gerding
First Secretary: Patrick de Vries
First Secretary: Josephine Frantzen
Second Secretary: Wouter Vidlund
Secretariat:
Tel: (202) 274-2607 - Bettina Nolte
Fax: (202) 364-4213
E-mail: was-pa@minbuza.nl

http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/article.asp?articleref=AR00000108EN

ARUBA
Counselor:Jack Twiss Quarles van Ufford
Secretariat:
Tel: (202) 274-2601 - Ita Suripatty
Fax: (202) 237-8303
E-mail: was-plvcdp@minbuza.nl




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 04:34:18 PM
Rob I have one question to ask which has always bothered me about Max's case, and I too have followed it for some time. Without in anyway accusing Yvonne, maybe you having spoken with her might know why she left Aruba as quickly as she did after Max went missing? This is something that only in speaking with her would it be likely to get a sense of, certainly nothing was ever mentioned in the news articles. Oh with the exception of Yvonne participating in an "insurance scam", and this I don't believe. Sorry for the OT in this thread, but this question has had me wondering for a long time now. TIA

BB there is no problem asking me any question. If you are curious, please ask. That's the best policy and if I know I will tell you and if I don't I will say I don't know.

I did ask this question and as far as I can remember Yvonne said that she left because there was nothing that could be done to find Max and nothing was being done. She just wanted to leave. There was no investigation and the ALE was not preforming any police work in Max's case.

I don't second guess her and knowing what I do about Aruba now, I believe she made the right decision.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 16, 2008, 05:13:29 PM
Rob TY. It is never possible to know what one would do. I have always tried to understand this part of Max's mystery.......a previous post of yours gave a point I had not known and that is they (those in Aruba) were threatening to arrest Yvonne over the waiver? Can you imagine? Knowing what we know..and what we have seen! A lawyer father who smuggles contraband into prison to his suspect son, the son who smokes pot while incarecerated.....and on and on.......can you imagine they would threaten Yvonne (having lost her son) about a waiver?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 05:23:33 PM
Rob TY. It is never possible to know what one would do. I have always tried to understand this part of Max's mystery.......a previous post of yours gave a point I had not known and that is they (those in Aruba) were threatening to arrest Yvonne over the waiver? Can you imagine? Knowing what we know..and what we have seen! A lawyer father who smuggles contraband into prison to his suspect son, the son who smokes pot while incarecerated.....and on and on.......can you imagine they would threaten Yvonne (having lost her son) about a waiver?


BB you're soooo right. I can't imagine what I would do. I guess initially you are numb and in shock and don't know what to do and listen to those in authority, and then you do what nature tells you. Part of the human psyche I guess...

I think they wanted Yvonne to go away. And I don't think she had the support system that Beth had with Jug and his family and with Dave and his family. I'm sure that gave Beth a lot of backing. Not to forget Beth's close relatives and people like Private Eye. Beth had a huge support network and she has indicated that was ~ to quote Beth ~ HUGE!!!

Yvonne is a very very nice lady and I like her alot... I think we would probably be friends even if this wasn't the catalyst. You just know when your personalities click.... sorry to say that this is what has brought us all together.

I know Yvonne wants DS Sr stung like Joran in the Van Der Eem vids.

she misses Max sooo much....

This is one part of God's plan that I just don't understand... and I try so hard.....:::shrugs shoulders:::.....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 16, 2008, 05:25:27 PM
has anyone considered that Jean Akers is Shango?

Shango posts from Florida and near the Dutch Consulate... an Attache such as Akers could have been on Aruba during the crime and in Florida to post.

An American Consul representative could have access to the Dutch Consulate and may not need to explain her whereabouts.

For some reason she got very paranoid when Frank contacted her.

I would be paranoid too if I were as close to the Sloots as she appeared to be. No doubt she knows more about the situation.  Being at the home of the Sloots upon release of goon child tells me she's in the know somewhere. How does that look when you have parents begging for help only to learn the person you asked for assistance is close friends of the one family that's kid was last seen with Natalee before she disappeared?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 05:42:14 PM
has anyone considered that Jean Akers is Shango?

Shango posts from Florida and near the Dutch Consulate... an Attache such as Akers could have been on Aruba during the crime and in Florida to post.

An American Consul representative could have access to the Dutch Consulate and may not need to explain her whereabouts.

For some reason she got very paranoid when Frank contacted her.

I would be paranoid too if I were as close to the Sloots as she appeared to be. No doubt she knows more about the situation.  Being at the home of the Sloots upon release of goon child tells me she's in the know somewhere. How does that look when you have parents begging for help only to learn the person you asked for assistance is close friends of the one family that's kid was last seen with Natalee before she disappeared?

doesn't she fit your profile - separate Joran from the crime?

I have found a Jean Akers as a former Ohio State alumni - but not in the field we need...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 05:45:48 PM
another thought Lalas - who to say that Jean Akers represented herself as what she truly was to the Sloots?

For all we know - she is a consulate member - but is she really?

Kerm says the FBI knows. I think there is also the chance that she is not who she appears to be.

I *think* Kerm is in the position to know.

just throwing it out there ....


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 16, 2008, 05:57:09 PM
Well, I don't know about your theory but I will admit it's been discussed before.  Only thing  does Akers associate with those that we know to have the same IP as Shango?  Was Shango more than one poster...absolutely...no doubt that the person or persons that formulated the Shango riddles may have had a bone to pick with authority or may have known things...I guess my question would be what purpose would she have in posing as Shango?  She would have to be involved in the underground part as well as the diplomatic side.  Shango knew Simian...does that fit with what we know? Shango conversed with many who also posted from FL. More of a younger generation than what I think Akers would have been...but on Aruba there seems to be little division in ages and status except where  standard of living is concerned.   I could never quite understand how the Sloots would be living in the house they did or the area when they obviously held some status within the Dutch community.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 16, 2008, 07:05:10 PM
U.S.-ARUBA RELATIONS

Principal U.S. Consulate Officials
Consul General--Robert E. Sorenson
Vice Consul--Jean Akers

http://tinyurl.com/5z42qh


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 16, 2008, 07:09:53 PM
CuraçaoU.S. Expands Presencein Strategic Islands


By Jean Akers and Christopher DegnanCuraçaoU.S. Expands Presencein Strategic Islands
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/4tbztd


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 16, 2008, 07:26:45 PM
It was nice of Jean to attend Jorans free of rape,drugging,murder and cover up complete party! She's a total dirt bag if she never explained to beth what the hell she was doing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 16, 2008, 07:44:00 PM
It was nice of Jean to attend Jorans free of rape,drugging,murder and cover up complete party! She's a total dirt bag if she never explained to beth what the hell she was doing.

******* -
has anyone seen SS around? You know how curious I get....all this O/T probably drove her away... who could blame her...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 17, 2008, 11:28:54 AM
I miss you, CAPS!  Stay well and come back when you can, OK?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Helen Back



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 17, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
I miss you, CAPS!  Stay well and come back when you can, OK?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Helen Back



I looked the other day and again just now when I read your post....he's been checking in  ::MonkeyWink::

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 17, 2008, 11:59:42 AM
I miss you, CAPS!  Stay well and come back when you can, OK?

 ::MonkeyCool::

Helen Back



I looked the other day and again just now when I read your post....he's been checking in  ::MonkeyWink::




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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 17, 2008, 01:56:49 PM
SS…please find all my posts where I have ‘attacked’ Caps and post them!

My suspicions are not an attack. When they are confirmed I will post.

Why is it OK for others to post as though they have information, and you beg for them to share. But my suspicions are out of line.

I consider your constant use of the word ‘attack’ very agressive and quite unnecessary! And please remember I was ‘attacked’ for asking questions in the first place!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 17, 2008, 02:18:14 PM
has anyone considered that Jean Akers is Shango?

Shango posts from Florida and near the Dutch Consulate... an Attache such as Akers could have been on Aruba during the crime and in Florida to post.

An American Consul representative could have access to the Dutch Consulate and may not need to explain her whereabouts.

For some reason she got very paranoid when Frank contacted her.

I would be paranoid too if I were as close to the Sloots as she appeared to be. No doubt she knows more about the situation.  Being at the home of the Sloots upon release of goon child tells me she's in the know somewhere. How does that look when you have parents begging for help only to learn the person you asked for assistance is close friends of the one family that's kid was last seen with Natalee before she disappeared?

Why is everyone trying to "find" Shango?  Shango can only be interpreted.  Shango is in another plane of this world.  His interpreted words are usually done by a Taino priest or a priest who is allowed to communicate with him through religious ceremony and what is heard is interpreted by the person and is delivered to messengers to get the word out, as the cowboys do not understand smoke signals.  Strange, as Shango speaks through lightening and thunder and I do not know anyone who just off-hand uses this language.  Florida known to have more lightening strikes, etc, than other states.  That to me is not really a coincidence.  Just because someone may wear a business suit, or a pair of baggy shorts, does not necessarily mean they have no connection with the messengers.  Somone who practices that religion would be under many layers to interpret the thunder and lightening voice of Shango.  There are different off brand forms of this Shango religion, but somewhere, there is one that may just get through, but as always there is a price to pay when messing with this other world.  Those beings there are not allowed to disturb humanity unless invited in and when a priest does this he is going against God Almighty.  Those things are best left alone, as they have no human social moores that they go by as to who is right and who is wrong, but are obligated to tell exactly what they are called upon to tell, in a language of old, in comparisons few understand in modern day.  The priest knows.  Just had to get this in.       Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 17, 2008, 02:52:49 PM
But Shango owes me for keeping his vision alive!  I just hate it when gods never appreciate their peasant workers. LOL :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
But Shango owes me for keeping his vision alive!   I just hate it when gods never appreciate their peasant workers. LOL :roll:

Truer words were never spoken.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 17, 2008, 06:04:30 PM
SS…please find all my posts where I have ‘attacked’ Caps and post them!

My suspicions are not an attack. When they are confirmed I will post.

Why is it OK for others to post as though they have information, and you beg for them to share. But my suspicions are out of line.

I consider your constant use of the word ‘attack’ very agressive and quite unnecessary! And please remember I was ‘attacked’ for asking questions in the first place!!!


 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am with ya Mum.

Janet


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2008, 08:36:46 PM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector





 I didn't say I found the picture I said I had the picture for three years

I found it on NH.NET posted in Hopes Corner by Hope

Your post was clear to me, Blonde.

It was posted here in June '05 too. Who knows who found it first and who cares???   ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh I was just a little surprised because I thought that was why Faith and Blonde shut TAkisomom out of their truth4natalee site because they thought some people were taking stuff and claiming it to be their's without any credit for it. Heh Heh, my mistake I guess.

ribbit







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Kermit on May 17, 2008, 08:39:04 PM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector




Yes thank-you Kermit. I know about the "diary" and what was said in it. I have posted it years ago. The confusion is that Rob said Yvonne Devries, Max's mother the one who's son went missing in aruba says the guy in the pic from the "diary" photo  is not Sambo, as Sambo took her statement when her son went missing. He was identified to me by a poster from Aruba at the time I posted the pic as Sambo and also said at the time " suprised to see him with his picture taken, he doesn't like to have it taken".

Unfortunately, and I say this will all due respect, I have yet to meet one Aruban we could totally trust and that's the truth.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 18, 2008, 01:02:48 AM
But Shango owes me for keeping his vision alive!  I just hate it when gods never appreciate their peasant workers. LOL :roll:

Shango has no vision.  He is where he is.  He has no past nor a future.  He just is.  Those are things that should be left alone.  He has to tell the truth when the right "buttons" are pushed by the priest(s).  Simian was a person.  Those beings should not be messed with nor invited into human lives.  Priests take a chance when dealing with those dieties of their religion.  The priest had a reason to call upon the Shango diety, or he never would have.  It would be my guess that he was making an attempt to protect his people from the perpetrators and those who sought after those guilty.  Things in this world are not always as it seems to us mere mortals.  We are protected from this, as our minds could not comprehend nor our brains assimilate the existences of those not of this plane of existence.
There are those who never accepted God Almighty and worship those dieties and pay a price for this and a greater one later on.  It is best to follow the road map and last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ to avoid the pitfalls that are awaiting those who fail to do so.
It is good to know we do not have to live in a world dictated by priest who worships dieties who are destructive to humankind whenever help is needed.  That is a lesson of old.  This is a lesson of now and just is.  The great I AM is the difference that gives us any kind feelings towards our fellowman.  Many in Aruba have lost sight of this message and have cross cultural beliefs that are contrary to human kindness and decency of their fellow men, only to their own cliques if it is beneficial to them.  This is what we are all dealing with, as are those on that island who are being oppressed and supressed by those in power who have no believ system in place that would enable them to establish laws that are based on Truth and Justice.  Life is short at the longest and they will all eventually die.  After that; the judgement.  Many of them will believe a lie quicker than the truth, as that is where their souls are replenishing from...a well, poisoned with untruths and half-truths, and outright lies and mockery of all that is good and decent.  That may be why they hated Natalee.  They may have found out she never stood for the indecency in their lives.   Jack blue


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 18, 2008, 11:23:17 AM
Deutekom…I apologize as I was under the assumption that what I had found on him way back in the second thread had been found by those with much better research skills than mine with very little effort. Pita did in fact post one of the links IIRC.

Will go back tomorrow and see what I found as something from one link yesterday has caught my attention. Will have to check yesterday’s posts as I thought I found a little more than was posted.

Again, I sincerely apologize as I was under the impression that only a photo was being looked for.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: FaithMS on May 18, 2008, 12:48:13 PM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector





 I didn't say I found the picture I said I had the picture for three years

I found it on NH.NET posted in Hopes Corner by Hope

Your post was clear to me, Blonde.

It was posted here in June '05 too. Who knows who found it first and who cares???   ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh I was just a little surprised because I thought that was why Faith and Blonde shut TAkisomom out of their truth4natalee site because they thought some people were taking stuff and claiming it to be their's without any credit for it. Heh Heh, my mistake I guess.

ribbit







Why is my name being brought into the conversation? Blonde's reply to you had nothing to do with me.

Klass, I would appreciate it if this post was removed. It's tacky and tasteless to say something such as Kermit has said.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 18, 2008, 12:53:29 PM
Actually Kermit, others have said this is not Sambo, I have always thought it was too. something is amiss.

BB
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/images/DSC05564.jpg
This guy showed up late night and we were told that he was a police captain. We were like "Oh shit, is he closing the place down?"
http://www.ikeepadiary.com/diary/2004/01_22_aruba_vacation/part_1/frame_index.html

I was making a point that Blonde posted SHE found the pic, when I corrected her, she then admitted she got it from another website.

SAMBO was Police Assistant Inspector





 I didn't say I found the picture I said I had the picture for three years

I found it on NH.NET posted in Hopes Corner by Hope

Your post was clear to me, Blonde.

It was posted here in June '05 too. Who knows who found it first and who cares???   ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh I was just a little surprised because I thought that was why Faith and Blonde shut TAkisomom out of their truth4natalee site because they thought some people were taking stuff and claiming it to be their's without any credit for it. Heh Heh, my mistake I guess.

ribbit







Why is my name being brought into the conversation? Blonde's reply to you had nothing to do with me.

Klass, I would appreciate it if this post was removed. It's tacky and tasteless to say something such as Kermit has said.

To tell you the truth I think I was the first to post the i keep a diary. brian battjer,jr  here. That is what we are refering to ........the pic of Sambo (or non ambo as the case may be) .........but I never get credit for anything.....so nevermind.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 18, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
It was nice of Jean to attend Jorans free of rape,drugging,murder and cover up complete party! She's a total dirt bag if she never explained to beth what the hell she was doing.

Wonder where Akers was May 20 - 30?  Was she at another party?  They are all douchebags.
    jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 19, 2008, 01:36:06 AM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 19, 2008, 02:12:01 AM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.

Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived, found that the apartment was used for deflowering lost souls. lot of old past info from 2000 till now.

Hooiberg 91 , Kalpoes so called house was put on the block and sold. 

Working on what the girl did a week before. The girl is another Girl not NH. again leading to mistaken ID.

will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian...

......BRB


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 19, 2008, 02:26:12 AM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.

Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived, found that the apartment was used for deflowering lost souls. lot of old past info from 2000 till now.

Hooiberg 91 , Kalpoes so called house was put on the block and sold. 

Working on what the girl did a week before. The girl is another Girl not NH. again leading to mistaken ID.

will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian...

......BRB
Great Work Caps....Thanks!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 19, 2008, 02:55:19 AM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.

Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived, found that the apartment was used for deflowering lost souls. lot of old past info from 2000 till now.

Hooiberg 91 , Kalpoes so called house was put on the block and sold. 

Working on what the girl did a week before. The girl is another Girl not NH. again leading to mistaken ID.

will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian...

......BRB

Cool...you are back.  Glad....jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 19, 2008, 06:51:54 AM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.

Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived, found that the apartment was used for deflowering lost souls. lot of old past info from 2000 till now.

Hooiberg 91 , Kalpoes so called house was put on the block and sold. 

Working on what the girl did a week before. The girl is another Girl not NH. again leading to mistaken ID.

will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian...

......BRB
Great Work Caps....Thanks!

Actually that would make more sense if another girl was the original target and since they were POed, it seems at NH for rejections(s) took their anger out on her and then tried to pull a switcheroo.  I do wonder what the other girl did earlier in the week.  It seems she may have owed some money.  She left early?  Someone had to ride and they picked up NH for various and sundry reasons.  It would seem those responsible are being held hostage by those who had the hands on and vice versa.  This may go back to the parents of the intended victim.  Someone was switched and by the time it was all realized by those pulling the strings there was such a commotion on the island, the intended victim and parents were tipped off and they have a checkmate situation there.  It is a sad situation, especially since the actual victim never had a hint that someone was actually planning some sorid business.  It remains to be seen if they are going to go after the original victim.  That should be looked into as there is still a target waiting to be used.   Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 07:42:33 AM
Rob…I meant to respond earlier, but sometimes life gets in the way…

What I found way back in December on Ms Akers was that she graduated from a school something like University of Missouri. In that general area of the country. The article I found was from a speech she did at her Alma Mater. It was definitely her as it mentioned her working for the State Department as a Vice-Consul, and also that she did her Masters at the University of Amsterdam, not sure now if that was 2002 or 2003. Sorry, I don’t recall if there was a picture.

I searched for this again a couple of months back and didn’t find it. But it is on the web somewhere!

Beth really doesn’t elaborate on that day at the Sloot’s in her book and to me that is interesting.

Rob and Lala’s, very interesting posts on this. I am reminded that both Paulus and Joran refer to an FBI agent in the PV and there is also a reference by Joran to a Consul ‘agent’, something like Schmitt. Will go back and find it all when I have a chance this week.

As Kermit states, the FBI know! I am convinced that most of the clues to Shango’s identity, are here in the pages of SM. And the key! As far as I am concerned he/she is still a jerk for with-holding vital information so early in the case, if in fact the information he/she had was for real. If it was not for real then he/she is still a jerk!!!

Ribbitt…from the weekend…other thread…I am sure you still are! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob….would it be possible to start a thread with all the Florida info/maps you have? Probably a big job, and wouldn’t have to be done all at once. Things tend to get lost in the main thread. I am very interested in 701 Brickell. I know it has all been posted way back, but I am not remembering very much of it, and with all my newer research on the case some lights may turn on!  As well as sometimes I start on something and am unable to get back to it for weeks at a time...example Caruba...limited time and found more pressing things to check on!  Thanks in Advance!




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 19, 2008, 08:54:49 AM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.

Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived, found that the apartment was used for deflowering lost souls. lot of old past info from 2000 till now.

Hooiberg 91 , Kalpoes so called house was put on the block and sold. 

Working on what the girl did a week before. The girl is another Girl not NH. again leading to mistaken ID.

will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian...

......BRB
Great Work Caps....Thanks!

Good to see you back here CAPS, and thanks for the update.

Helen


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 09:24:43 AM
Hi Mum

Here is the link to Grande's photo bucket. It's open to the public and most of the maps are in there. I did make some newer ones, but it's mostly info that has been discussed before.

http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/

I did find one minor item. For Gabe Leo I used the address provided on the land deed and I get a different location than Grande did.

Notice here in the top portion of the image there is an airport. This makes more sense given Leo's back ground of working for UA. He may still work there while in school (not at all sure, just making the point). He might want to live near work. Most people do.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Gabeleo2.jpg)

This is Grande's image.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/GabrielLeohome.jpg)
I don't see the airport in this image. So, maybe I have it wrong or Grande does. Probably me.

Here is Grande's land / property deed and I used the West Island address and the two images do not look the same. When I put in the info it just brought up the street and not the address - strange. But that is West Island, so he lives in that area.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/GabrielLeoappraisal.jpg)

But then check this. This airport shows up in Grande's bucket.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubaAirwayFt.jpg)



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 09:36:27 AM
Top image Grande's airport - airport not identified.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubaAirwayFt.jpg)

This is a new image I made. I'm just calling it Miramar airport to help keep the confusion to a minimum, but it is not identified.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Miramarairport1.jpg)

Notice in the new image on the bottom there is a street called College Drive and one called South University Drive that runs through Route 817. Not sure if these are aviation schools or not. Some aviation school are located on airport property.

This also makes me wonder about the witness Menses who was interviewed 6-7-8 times by the ALE. Wonder if he ties in somewhere in the aviation area.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 10:04:02 AM
WOW!  Thanks Rob...great work with the pics. I know in Cleveland the School is at Lakefront Airport, so what you are saying make sense.

I found one Meneses, an Aviation photographer...have checked out a lot of his pics. IIRC he may have been from Costa Rico, but am a little fuzzy on that. Strange, when I googled him a couple of months back, I kept finding semi-erotic, mild adult websites, but when I followed the links there wasn't anything on him specifically!

More homework...and so little time...thanks again Rob!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 10:05:08 AM
http://www.aviationschoolsonline.com/flight-schools/featured/broward-cc/broward-cc-flt.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 10:15:39 AM
http://www.aviationschoolsonline.com/flight-schools/featured/broward-cc/broward-cc-flt.htm

Thank You very much Sharon...nice to see you as usual.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 10:19:03 AM
http://www.aviationschoolsonline.com/flight-schools/featured/broward-cc/broward-cc-flt.htm

Thank You very much Sharon...nice to see you as usual.

Anytime Mum  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 10:44:31 AM
Rob...please have a look...got the info from Sharon's link...thanks!

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO

North Perry Airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 19, 2008, 11:20:11 AM
Rob...please have a look...got the info from Sharon's link...thanks!

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO

North Perry Airport.

I think the aerial photo for KFXE/Ft. Lauderdale Executive looks like Carpe/Rob's photos.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 12:54:57 PM
Rob...please have a look...got the info from Sharon's link...thanks!

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO

North Perry Airport.

I think the aerial photo for KFXE/Ft. Lauderdale Executive looks like Carpe/Rob's photos.


Thanks 2NJSons...found some links in case Rob checks back.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

http://www.bsuaviation.com/mypage.html?pg=OurLocation





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 01:21:07 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FORTLAUDERDALEEXECUTIVEAIRPORT3.jpg)

These are the same airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 01:33:29 PM
Thanks Rob...did you take a look at the other link? It looked similar, but I am not sure where it is in location to your address. Sorry totally photo and map challenged!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 19, 2008, 01:33:32 PM
OOPS....I posted Carpe....sorry, meant Grande.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 19, 2008, 01:37:15 PM
Thanks Rob...did you take a look at the other link? It looked similar, but I am not sure where it is in location to your address. Sorry totally photo and map challenged!!!

Mum, I put my 2 cents in, earlier, because I know Hollywood is south of Ft. Lauderdale.  Was just thinking that the addresses in Grande/Rob map views were in Ft. Lauderdale proper and the airport would be closer. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 01:57:46 PM
Thanks Rob...did you take a look at the other link? It looked similar, but I am not sure where it is in location to your address. Sorry totally photo and map challenged!!!

Mum, I put my 2 cents in, earlier, because I know Hollywood is south of Ft. Lauderdale.  Was just thinking that the addresses in Grande/Rob map views were in Ft. Lauderdale proper and the airport would be closer. 

Thanks...should have googled the area...I am not familiar with that part of Florida at all. I suppose many airports use the same layout.

I will go and find the map Rob did the other day of the location, seems I had a clue when he posted that! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 01:59:55 PM
Rob...please have a look...got the info from Sharon's link...thanks!

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO

North Perry Airport.

I think the aerial photo for KFXE/Ft. Lauderdale Executive looks like Carpe/Rob's photos.


Thanks 2NJSons...found some links in case Rob checks back.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

http://www.bsuaviation.com/mypage.html?pg=OurLocation


I am 'map challenged' myself, Mum. Especially when I can't 'zoom in' etc, to get my bearings with a local landmark.

But --

Ft Lauderdale Executive Airport -- unless there is another one by that name that I'm not familiar with -- is NOT in Miramar.

It has been a very long time since I flew into Ft Lauderdale Exec -- but it was located about 5-6 miles north of downtown Ft Lauderdale.

Grande's map - if it is Miramar -- cannot be Ft Lauderdale Exec. Unless the airport moved about 15 miles south. Which I guess is possible???

2NJ Ft Lauderdale International also used to be known as (maybe still is) 'Hollywood-FtLauderdale' airport as it is south of downtown Ft Lauderdale.

MIRAMAR is about 8 - 10 miles further south -- by the MiamDade county line.

Sorry -- I'd like to help -- but I'm missing what we are looking for  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 02:04:39 PM
Ladies, Something just hit me. I think we found the airport that Oduber was flying in and out of when Natalee was missing.

This has to be it. I can't see a head of State, even one like Aruba, using the Miami or West Palm airport.

This must be the place. And Aruba Air is located right there.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 02:06:14 PM
Shar, I was just calling "Miramar" airport to give it a name.... that's was to avoid confusion - which is exactly what happened anyway... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 02:11:46 PM
Ladies, Something just hit me. I think we found the airport that Oduber was flying in and out of when Natalee was missing.

This has to be it. I can't see a head of State, even one like Aruba, using the Miami or West Palm airport.

This must be the place. And Aruba Air is located right there.


LOL...Rob...which one are we talking about! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 02:21:40 PM
Ladies, Something just hit me. I think we found the airport that Oduber was flying in and out of when Natalee was missing.

This has to be it. I can't see a head of State, even one like Aruba, using the Miami or West Palm airport.

This must be the place. And Aruba Air is located right there.


LOL...Rob...which one are we talking about! ::MonkeyConfused::

Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. That has to be the one Oduber was using.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 02:22:31 PM
Ladies, Something just hit me. I think we found the airport that Oduber was flying in and out of when Natalee was missing.

This has to be it. I can't see a head of State, even one like Aruba, using the Miami or West Palm airport.

This must be the place. And Aruba Air is located right there.

George W Bush, Barack Obama, Hillary and Bill Clinton, John McCain -- to name a few -- always fly in and out of Miami International.

Ft Lauderdale Exec has 2 little runways. I'm not sure if you even can clear customs there???


Here's a pdf about North Perry airport -- which I think is the north part of Ft Lauderdale International. Also some aerials in there that may look like Grande's photobucket.

http://www.broward.org/airport/pdfs/north_perry_meeting.pdf

I'm so confused. This is my backyard you're discussing. I'm just trying to help. I just don't know how  ::MonkeyWaa::

  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 02:26:23 PM
I don't think Oduber has to clear customs as a head of State. But I'm not totally sure.

And he can clear on Aruba if need be.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 02:27:14 PM
There is also an 'Executive Airport' in Miami -- just north of Miami International. In Hialeah. just south of Miramar.

A friend of ours used to fly in to that one all the time -- to get to the Dolphin's stadium -- which is in MIRAMAR.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Ladies, Something just hit me. I think we found the airport that Oduber was flying in and out of when Natalee was missing.

This has to be it. I can't see a head of State, even one like Aruba, using the Miami or West Palm airport.

This must be the place. And Aruba Air is located right there.


LOL...Rob...which one are we talking about! ::MonkeyConfused::

Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. That has to be the one Oduber was using.

Thanks Rob! I am still trying to match one with your pic of Gabe's address...confusing myself as usual!!

Thanks Sharon...that one of North Perry looks like Rob's pic to me...so I have been checking maps and going back to the link you gave. Just not sure if it is too far south like 2NJSons posted! Have more info .. will keep checking!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 02:33:45 PM
I'll work on Gabe Leo later today when I have some time. I am going to have to get going here in a minute, so I'll see you all later when I have more time to play.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
There is also an 'Executive Airport' in Miami -- just north of Miami International. In Hialeah. just south of Miramar.

A friend of ours used to fly in to that one all the time -- to get to the Dolphin's stadium -- which is in MIRAMAR.

Is this it Sharon? 3 miles from Dolphin's Stadium?

http://www.miami-airport.com/html/opa-locka_facilities.html



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 02:38:06 PM
North to South

West Palm Beach International

Ft Lauderdale Exec (to my knowledge Rob -- used to be nothing larger than Lear jets and props, but maybe that's changed)

Perry
Ft Lauderdale International

Miami Exec (in Hialeah -- can find the name if you need) 
Miami International









Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 02:40:58 PM
There is also an 'Executive Airport' in Miami -- just north of Miami International. In Hialeah. just south of Miramar.

A friend of ours used to fly in to that one all the time -- to get to the Dolphin's stadium -- which is in MIRAMAR.

Is this it Sharon? 3 miles from Dolphin's Stadium?

http://www.miami-airport.com/html/opa-locka_facilities.html



Yes!  ::MonkeyDance::

Opalocka -- not Hialeah (sorry)

That's still Miami.

Mirimar is the first town over the Dade county line into Broward county.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 02:52:13 PM
There is also an 'Executive Airport' in Miami -- just north of Miami International. In Hialeah. just south of Miramar.

A friend of ours used to fly in to that one all the time -- to get to the Dolphin's stadium -- which is in MIRAMAR.

Is this it Sharon? 3 miles from Dolphin's Stadium?

http://www.miami-airport.com/html/opa-locka_facilities.html



Yes!  ::MonkeyDance::

Opalocka -- not Hialeah (sorry)

That's still Miami.

Mirimar is the first town over the Dade county line into Broward county.


LOL...Love the Monkey Dance!!!

Rob...I will run some of the streets from your map and see where it leads... It is already 2 pages back!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 03:03:07 PM
Top image Grande's airport - airport not identified.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubaAirwayFt.jpg)

This is a new image I made. I'm just calling it Miramar airport to help keep the confusion to a minimum, but it is not identified.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Miramarairport1.jpg)

Notice in the new image on the bottom there is a street called College Drive and one called South University Drive that runs through Route 817. Not sure if these are aviation schools or not. Some aviation school are located on airport property.

This also makes me wonder about the witness Menses who was interviewed 6-7-8 times by the ALE. Wonder if he ties in somewhere in the aviation area.




Rob...this is what I found on Rtes 817 and 824...on the boundary of Miramar and Pembroke Pines. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_824

Still think it could be North Perry....Please tell me to shut up and be quiet if it is not!!!

Will slink away...just in case.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 03:06:03 PM
The picture 2 pages back is definitely NORTH PERRY.

I have a map -- I just don't know how to post it.

North Perry is NOT on the northern edge of Hollywood-Ft Lauderdale International

If you want 'cross streets' for Perry Airport Mum -- try University Drive as the West border, and Pembroke Road borders the South, Pines Blvd borders the North, Southwest 72nd Ave borders the East


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 03:07:47 PM
LOL

Mum -- you type faster than i do  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We're looking at the same map.

It's North Perry Airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 03:19:48 PM
LOL

Mum -- you type faster than i do  ::MonkeyHaHa::Not Possible

We're looking at the same map.

It's North Perry Airport.

OK...You and I are looking at the same map....But is that the one that Rob is looking for???  ::MonkeyHaHa::

We are allowed to be confused in this thread...it is normal!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 19, 2008, 04:00:57 PM
Yes!  Finally a Ft. Lauderdale connection.  You guys are doing great today.  I have been watching and lurking so as not to ask a question...I have a tendency to do that.  I noticed someone said one of these airports only had Lear jets landing there or I guess that meant smaller private planes.  Would that not be how Oduber would travel from Aruba?  Surely he has access to a small plane or jet?  Oops!  I just asked a question...time for me to write my name in my book.  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 04:14:29 PM
LALA'S, ROB

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

Bumping Mum's link to the "ft lauderdale exec airport"

Rob -- I think it does have provisions for Customs

International operations:  customs landing rights airport
US CUSTOMS AVBL 0900-2100. 


I can't tell by the jibberish what types of planes it allows (I used this airport a lot but that was 15 years ago -- only Lears and props back then -- could be different now)


But the 'airport' in Grande's photobucket is definitely North Perry Airport. Based upon the names of the streets in the photo that border the airport.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 04:23:03 PM
The first link is a list of all the airports. Then Florida…pics, runway diagrams and all specs. The rest I took from Sharon’s list.


http://www.airnav.com/airports/us

http://www.airnav.com/airports/us/FL


Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE 

North Perry Airport
Hollywood, Florida, USA

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO 

Opa Locka Airport
Miami, Florida, USA

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KOPF


http://www.miami-airport.com/html/opa-locka_facilities.html

Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFLL

Miami International Airport
Miami, Florida, USA

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KMIA

Palm Beach International Airport
West Palm Beach, Florida, USA

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KPBI



 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 05:20:50 PM
Of course I became confused when I logged out...nothing new there...Here is what Wiki said....I think Grande's is the one 2NJSons found this morning.

Rob...please help me...LOL
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_824

Locally known as Pembroke Road, State Road 824 is a 6.1-mile-long east-west highway in southern Broward County, Florida. Its western terminus is an intersection with South University Drive (SR 817), on the boundary between Miramar and Pembroke Pines and adjacent to North Perry Airport; its eastern terminus is an intersection with South Federal Highway (US 1/SR 5) on the boundary between Hollywood and Hallandale. Pembroke Road is a major commuter route for southern Broward County. At the eastern end, it continues into a residential area for several blocks past Federal Highway, named Moffett Street.

While North Perry Airport marks the western end of SR 824, the Hollywood Dog Track is located at the eastern end.

The SR 824 designation was originally applied to Hallandale Beach Boulevard (current SR 858), 0.5 mile to the south; at the same time, a stretch of Pembroke Road between US 441 (SR 7) and then-SR 5A had State Road 824A signage. About 1983, both streets received their present State Road designations (with the "new" SR 824 having more than double the length of the former SR 824A). The number reassignments occurred at roughly the same time that many Dade County State Roads were given new numbers in a reorganization by the Florida Department of Transportation.

Pembroke Road extends 5.5 miles past the western terminus of SR 824, primarily a residential road but also going by South Florida State Hospital (NW Corner of SR 817/University Drive) and Market Place Mall (at an intersection with SR 823).







Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 05:30:39 PM
North to South



Ft Lauderdale Exec (to my knowledge Rob -- used to be nothing larger than Lear jets and props, but maybe that's changed)

This why I believe this was the airport Oduber used. He has a private jet.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 05:35:23 PM
Ladies and Gents... It's going to take me a little while to go through all those links. First I want to work on Gabe Leo's actual address and where it could tie in here.

Is there anything that needs screen captured right now?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 19, 2008, 05:37:29 PM
North to South



Ft Lauderdale Exec (to my knowledge Rob -- used to be nothing larger than Lear jets and props, but maybe that's changed)

This why I believe this was the airport Oduber used. He has a private jet.

That is what I wanted to hear!!  Thanks!

Now, if we could just connect all those times that Andres Meneses was interviewed and why.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 19, 2008, 05:51:55 PM
Ladies and Gents... It's going to take me a little while to go through all those links. First I want to work on Gabe Leo's actual address and where it could tie in here.

Is there anything that needs screen captured right now?

Well.....if the marker on the map from Grande's photobucket is correct, he lives pretty darn close to North Perry Airport  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 05:54:04 PM
Ok, I found out what was wrong.

Grande's image here - 3500 ISLAND DR.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/GabrielLeohome.jpg)

New image - 3500WEST ISLAND DR. West Island is listed as a mailing address on the land deed.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GabeLeo6.jpg)

Either way he lives with in a very short distance to the airport.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 06:03:40 PM
Ladies and Gents... It's going to take me a little while to go through all those links. First I want to work on Gabe Leo's actual address and where it could tie in here.

Is there anything that needs screen captured right now?

Well.....if the marker on the map from Grande's photobucket is correct, he lives pretty darn close to North Perry Airport  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::

That is where I was at too Sharon going by the the intersections. But....

Lala's...Meneses only has 1387 pics for me to look at...and some vids... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 19, 2008, 06:03:48 PM
Hi Caps...Good to see You here!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi hotping,

I have been very busy with a lot of research in the Natalee case...Well the pond is the correct pond. 100% sure.
Old appartment near Kalpoes Father home in Seroe Patrishi where Scareface lived, found that the apartment was used for deflowering lost souls. lot of old past info from 2000 till now.

Hooiberg 91 , Kalpoes so called house was put on the block and sold. 

Working on what the girl did a week before. The girl is another Girl not NH. again leading to mistaken ID.
will meet with new found ALE that owns a bar...have info for caps. he is married to a Colombian...

......BRB



Hi CAPS,

I am confused and I have lots of questions.  ::MonkeyConfused::  Several times you have mentioned two girls and two video parties.  I don't think that Natalee and her friends were in Aruba the week before.  Can you please explain the two parties to us and how they connect with Natalee?

Was the Kalpoe house near Patrick's house owned by Deepak and Satish's father, a relative, or someone with the same Kalpoe name?  This is a big source of confusion.  Did Deepak and Satish live with their mother, father, or with relatives in Surinam several years ago?  Who was Patrick involved with when he had these deflowering parties?

When you say that this pond is the correct pond, what do you mean?  Did ALE find something important in the pond?  Can you tell us who was doing the investigation at the pond?  What is the next step in this investigation?

Do you know when the Kalpoe house was sold?  Who was living in the house when Natalee disappeared?  Where does the Kalpoe sister live?

Daury Rodriguez is still in jail in NJ.  Is Ramona Rodrigues-Tejada his mother?  Who is Lucilla Tejada who was arrested in the Bronx?  What did Daury do to get arrested and how does he connect to Natalee?

Who is Freddy Arambatzis Zedan?  Does this Freddy Locoman Pimp have another name?

Did Natalee know Lorenzo from earlier in the week?

CAPS, thanks for all of your help.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 06:05:40 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FORTLAUDERDALEEXECUTIVEAIRPORT3.jpg)

These are the same airport.

This from this morning...lear jets...I think...LOL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 07:15:58 PM
OK... got it all unsorted . . . LOL

I see what the problem was, but thank Gawd this was only a USA problem...Grande had it flipped around...

check this now. YELLER ARROWS sync Grande's images.

Got it? Good!!! LOL ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GABELEO9.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 07:18:40 PM
I also corrected the new Gabe Leo pin to 3500 ISLAND Drive in conjunction with Grande's original. It is no longer on 3500 WEST Island Drive.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 19, 2008, 08:35:18 PM
I also corrected the new Gabe Leo pin to 3500 ISLAND Drive in conjunction with Grande's original. It is no longer on 3500 WEST Island Drive.




Rob...sorry to be a pain…are we looking for the airport that is near Routes 817 and 824? Thanks…still confused and may be looking at the wrong map!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 19, 2008, 08:50:03 PM
I also corrected the new Gabe Leo pin to 3500 ISLAND Drive in conjunction with Grande's original. It is no longer on 3500 WEST Island Drive.




Rob...sorry to be a pain…are we looking for the airport that is near Routes 817 and 824? Thanks…still confused and may be looking at the wrong map!

nooo no no.. not a pain Mum.. the last map is the correct map. On Google Earth you can spin it around and get a different view. Like I try to show here on the forum.

In Grande's images, he had the right airport, it was just separated from the other images. I included those areas so everything is in one box.

I was trying to show that Grande had it right and so did I (we both had it right, except I was including the mailing address)... just from another angle and then I got it all sync'd up.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 07:07:51 AM
I also corrected the new Gabe Leo pin to 3500 ISLAND Drive in conjunction with Grande's original. It is no longer on 3500 WEST Island Drive.




Rob…when I do a google map search on Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport, I am north of Fort Lauderdale. When I search North Perry Airport, I am where Gabe lives, or so it appears.

The racetrack appears to be Calder Race Course. The school appears to be the one that Sharon linked to yesterday and that map takes me to Gabe’s house and North Perry Airport....I think...

As I said, sorry to be a pain, but would you mind rechecking. It seems that the map is right just the name of the airport is wrong. If you still come up with the same thing, I promise I will drop it… ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks in Advance…

Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport…appears to be to the north of Fort Lauderdale.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Fort%20lauderdale%20executive%20airport&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

This is from Sharon’s link yesterday. From this I found College Street, Routes 824 and 817 and 3500 Island Drive.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=7200%20Pines%20Blvd%20Pembroke%20Pines


Broward Community College / Delta Connection Academy
7200 Pines Blvd., Building 99
Pembroke Pines, FL 33024
TOLL FREE: 1-800-839-6183
PHONE: (954) 201-8080
FAX: (954) 201-8088
www.broward.edu/aviation

http://www.aviationschoolsonline.com/flight-schools/featured/broward-cc/broward-cc-flt.htm









Rob...sorry to be a pain…are we looking for the airport that is near Routes 817 and 824? Thanks…still confused and may be looking at the wrong map!

nooo no no.. not a pain Mum.. the last map is the correct map. On Google Earth you can spin it around and get a different view. Like I try to show here on the forum.

In Grande's images, he had the right airport, it was just separated from the other images. I included those areas so everything is in one box.

I was trying to show that Grande had it right and so did I (we both had it right, except I was including the mailing address)... just from another angle and then I got it all sync'd up.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 07:12:18 AM
I also corrected the new Gabe Leo pin to 3500 ISLAND Drive in conjunction with Grande's original. It is no longer on 3500 WEST Island Drive.




Rob...sorry to be a pain…are we looking for the airport that is near Routes 817 and 824? Thanks…still confused and may be looking at the wrong map!

nooo no no.. not a pain Mum.. the last map is the correct map. On Google Earth you can spin it around and get a different view. Like I try to show here on the forum.

In Grande's images, he had the right airport, it was just separated from the other images. I included those areas so everything is in one box.

I was trying to show that Grande had it right and so did I (we both had it right, except I was including the mailing address)... just from another angle and then I got it all sync'd up.




Sorry...sure don't want to confuse any more... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob…when I do a google map search on Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport, I am north of Fort Lauderdale. When I search North Perry Airport, I am where Gabe lives, or so it appears.

The racetrack appears to be Calder Race Course. The school appears to be the one that Sharon linked to yesterday and that map takes me to Gabe’s house and North Perry Airport.

As I said, sorry to be a pain, but would you mind rechecking. It seems that the map is right just the name of the airport is wrong. If you still come up with the same thing, I promise I will drop it… ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks in Advance…


Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport…appears to be to the north of Fort Lauderdale.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Fort%20lauderdale%20executive%20airport&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

This is from Sharon’s link yesterday. From this I found College Street, Routes 824 and 817 and 3500 Island Drive.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=7200%20Pines%20Blvd%20Pembroke%20Pines


Broward Community College / Delta Connection Academy
7200 Pines Blvd., Building 99
Pembroke Pines, FL 33024
TOLL FREE: 1-800-839-6183
PHONE: (954) 201-8080
FAX: (954) 201-8088
www.broward.edu/aviation

http://www.aviationschoolsonline.com/flight-schools/featured/broward-cc/broward-cc-flt.htm





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2008, 07:25:51 AM
Morning Mum  ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I live here -- the map is North Perry Airport.

The streets (University and Pembroke) border North Perry Airport.

In an alternate universe -- perhaps it's a different place  ::MonkeyHaHa::

In the real world -- it is North Perry Airport.  ::MonkeyTongue::

If it is Ft Lauderdale Exec --  the WRONG map was posted, or the map has been LABELED incorrectly as to streets..

If I had the money -- I would charter a plane and take my own aerial shots for you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have I mentioned that the streets notated on the map are the streets that border North Perry airport  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 08:06:33 AM
Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning and Thanks...I was in the main thread getting steamed about ISA...needed a laugh...

Just in case you missed this posted by Hotping last week... ::MonkeyWink::

Ernesto Arambatzis DOB 8/18/77 3470 East Coast Ave Apt#504 Miami Fl Issued 1/30/2006...original issue date 12/12/95..there are also two other addresses....7934 W Drive Loft Apt 1001 and 7934 West Drive, North Bay Village Fl...

From what I could find it appears the building was built in 2007...I got that from all the Realtor's sites.

Scuba said that Freddy's family had a big reunion that weekend...something to the effect that he had an airtight alibi...I can find the post if you want.

I am pretty sure Ernesto was in Aruba that weekend. ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2008, 08:19:46 AM
Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning and Thanks...I was in the main thread getting steamed about ISA...needed a laugh...

Just in case you missed this posted by Hotping last week... ::MonkeyWink::

Ernesto Arambatzis DOB 8/18/77 3470 East Coast Ave Apt#504 Miami Fl Issued 1/30/2006...original issue date 12/12/95..there are also two other addresses....7934 W Drive Loft Apt 1001 and 7934 West Drive, North Bay Village Fl...

From what I could find it appears the building was built in 2007...I got that from all the Realtor's sites.

Scuba said that Freddy's family had a big reunion that weekend...something to the effect that he had an airtight alibi...I can find the post if you want.

I am pretty sure Ernesto was in Aruba that weekend. ::MonkeyCool::



Thanks Mum.

I saw Hotping's post about Ernie -- I just didn't have any time to follow up. I need to check the addresses I had for him -- from the divorce documents and from the domestic violence charge.

I would think that it's highly likely that Ernie could have been in Aruba that weekend . But for the 'party' called Soul Beach. Or whatever that music festival was called. I imagine that's a pretty busy time for such a nice guy like Ernie to arrange VIP stuff.

Sadly -- there is now an equivalent on South Beach for Memorial weekend -- Hip Hop weekend. Ernie probably has no reason to travel out of South Florida anymore for Memorial weekend.

I will be on the lookout. But he's hard to spot when he dresses like a girl  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 08:36:51 AM
Don't mean to bury our posts to Rob, but wanted to bring these posts on Gabe and his roomies over, that Hotping posted in the main thread on May 13th. Thanks again Hotping!



http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.400


Lala's...I don't know if You have or need this info but here is some on Gabriel Leo
His Date of Birth is 2/25/81
and He recently renewed His Florida Drivers License on May 8,2008 (original issue date is 4/02/1999)
He is shown at the Miramar Fl address along with a Gary Leo who is 17 years old and Hyrma Raphael is listed there also....along with a Junel Citerme and Marie Marielle Basseth...

+++++

Hyrma Raphael is one person at the address in Fl...his date of birth is 11/26/62












Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 09:56:16 AM
Good Morning,

Mum, look at this

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl&q=7200%20Pines%20Blvd%20Pembroke%20Pines

This is not the correct airport. The shape is not correct. If I have it wrong I will correct it to make it right, but the North Perry Airport is not the right shape. I don't think that is it.

maybe I'm wrong.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 10:10:26 AM
Top image Grande's airport - airport not identified.
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubaAirwayFt.jpg)

This is a new image I made. I'm just calling it Miramar airport to help keep the confusion to a minimum, but it is not identified.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Miramarairport1.jpg)

Notice in the new image on the bottom there is a street called College Drive and one called South University Drive that runs through Route 817. Not sure if these are aviation schools or not. Some aviation school are located on airport property.

This also makes me wonder about the witness Menses who was interviewed 6-7-8 times by the ALE. Wonder if he ties in somewhere in the aviation area.




Rob...this is what I found on Rtes 817 and 824...on the boundary of Miramar and Pembroke Pines. 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_Road_824

Still think it could be North Perry....Please tell me to shut up and be quiet if it is not!!!

Will slink away...just in case.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHWO




Rob...I have been looking at the bottom map. Is this the one we should be looking at? If not, that is where I am going wrong.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 10:20:01 AM
Wow this is confusing.... even for me!!! LOL

OK... here's where I got the link.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

Look down on the right side, there is a photo. That airport matches Grande's airport. And where Aruba Airways is located.

It DOES NOT match the airport where Gabe lives. Therefore, the airport near Gabe is North Perry Airport.

I need to update and correct some stuff when I have a few minutes.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 10:27:15 AM
Wow this is confusing.... even for me!!! LOL

OK... here's where I got the link.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

Look down on the right side, there is a photo. That airport matches Grande's airport. And where Aruba Airways is located.

It DOES NOT match the airport where Gabe lives. Therefore, the airport near Gabe is North Perry Airport.

I need to update and correct some stuff when I have a few minutes.



Thanks Rob...I was just going to post that I was dropping it. I only came to North Perry from the street addresses. Guess I should have gone there yesterday morning...LOL...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 20, 2008, 10:27:41 AM
Wow this is confusing.... even for me!!! LOL

OK... here's where I got the link.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

Look down on the right side, there is a photo. That airport matches Grande's airport. And where Aruba Airways is located.

It DOES NOT match the airport where Gabe lives. Therefore, the airport near Gabe is North Perry Airport.

I need to update and correct some stuff when I have a few minutes.


The photo for KFXE that you've just pointed out, is what led me astray, yesterday. 

When Sharon stepped in, I bowed out a bit, because she does know the area and streets, which I was not taking into consideration. 

Mum, carry on.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 10:30:53 AM
I don't see the address for the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. Does anyone have it with the zip code?

I want to put that on the updated map.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 20, 2008, 10:36:54 AM
I don't see the address for the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. Does anyone have it with the zip code?

I want to put that on the updated map.

This site has the main headquarter/office address & directions to main entrance with streets, etc.  Might work..

http://www.ci.ftlaud.fl.us/FXE/directions.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 10:41:31 AM
I don't see the address for the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. Does anyone have it with the zip code?

I want to put that on the updated map.

Try this Rob...

Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport
6000 NW 21st Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309
954-828-4955

http://ci.ftlaud.fl.us/fxe/index.htm



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 10:44:23 AM
Wow this is confusing.... even for me!!! LOL

OK... here's where I got the link.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KFXE

Look down on the right side, there is a photo. That airport matches Grande's airport. And where Aruba Airways is located.

It DOES NOT match the airport where Gabe lives. Therefore, the airport near Gabe is North Perry Airport.

I need to update and correct some stuff when I have a few minutes.


The photo for KFXE that you've just pointed out, is what led me astray, yesterday. 

When Sharon stepped in, I bowed out a bit, because she does know the area and streets, which I was not taking into consideration. 

Mum, carry on.   ::MonkeyCool::

2NJSons...DH says...TMI - too much info - about me... ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think it may cause a lot of confusion...Sorry!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 10:53:04 AM
OK... and sorry for all the confusion. That was my fault. I think I have it all corrected now.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NORTHPERRYAIRPORT3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GABELEO12.jpg)

sheezzz... that was confusing.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 11:03:26 AM
OK... and sorry for all the confusion. That was my fault. I think I have it all corrected now.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NORTHPERRYAIRPORT3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GABELEO12.jpg)

sheezzz... that was confusing.


Rob.... ::MonkeyHaHa::...I think the top pic is Fort Lauderdale Executive and that is the one from Grande's photobucket...

Your 'Miramar' from yesterday, the bottom pic further up the page is North Perry and near where Gabe lives...still saying...I think.... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 11:04:08 AM
oppppsss I did it again. This is the correct image...

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FORTLAUDERDALEEXECUTIVEAIRPORT3.jpg)

This is the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. I labeled it incorrectly in the other image.

I'm having one of those days I guess.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 11:06:20 AM
Rob.... ::MonkeyHaHa::...I think the top pic is Fort Lauderdale Executive and that is the one from Grande's photobucket...

Your 'Miramar' from yesterday, the bottom pic further up the page is North Perry and near where Gabe lives...still saying...I think.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Mum, I just figger'd that out. oi vey!!!

You were right...LOL...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 11:09:11 AM
oppppsss I did it again. This is the correct image...

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FORTLAUDERDALEEXECUTIVEAIRPORT3.jpg)

This is the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport. I labeled it incorrectly in the other image.

I'm having one of those days I guess.




Great work Rob! If I could copy a pic, it may have helped...I did try when Klaas last posted the instructions...

Now where...Aruba Air, Gabe's roomies or Jean Akers? Hope one may lead to Shango!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2008, 11:29:53 AM

The photo for KFXE that you've just pointed out, is what led me astray, yesterday. 

When Sharon stepped in, I bowed out a bit, because she does know the area and streets, which I was not taking into consideration. 

Mum, carry on.   ::MonkeyCool::

And I still don't quite know WHY we are looking at the airports   ::MonkeyConfused::

But I'm only trying to provide factual info.

Yes -- I do know the area. Pretty well after 20 years.

I may get confused sometimes -- there's been a lot of change. But when you give me actual street intersections...... ::MonkeyWink:: Even I can get it right  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 11:49:12 AM

The photo for KFXE that you've just pointed out, is what led me astray, yesterday. 

When Sharon stepped in, I bowed out a bit, because she does know the area and streets, which I was not taking into consideration. 

Mum, carry on.   ::MonkeyCool::

And I still don't quite know WHY we are looking at the airports   ::MonkeyConfused::

But I'm only trying to provide factual info.

Yes -- I do know the area. Pretty well after 20 years.

I may get confused sometimes -- there's been a lot of change. But when you give me actual street intersections...... ::MonkeyWink:: Even I can get it right  ::MonkeyCool::




I think we were trying to find the name of the one that was near where Gabe lived, as it was different from the one in Grande's photobucket!

Which is where we ended up.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 01:13:06 PM
Rob...had a quick look to see if there was UA at North Perry, didn't find one. Did find some interesting reading under Universal Weather and Aviation though.  ::MonkeyEek::

Lala's...from a few pages back...'a bone to pick' jmo


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 01:26:48 PM
Rob...had a quick look to see if there was UA at North Perry, didn't find one. Did find some interesting reading under Universal Weather and Aviation though.  ::MonkeyEek::

Lala's...from a few pages back...'a bone to pick' jmo

Mum,
I found a Universal Air, but it's for helicopters.

I think the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport is the one Oduber uses. So, I'm not sure how the North Perry fits into anything yet.... any ideas?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubaFt.jpg)

Mum, from Grande's bucket. This is stuff that surrounds Aruba Airways.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 01:39:39 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/1016BASSPOINT3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FLORIDAINTERNATIONALSCHOOL1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FLORIDAINTERNATIONALSCHOOL4.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/FLORIDAINTERNATIONALSCHOOL6.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 20, 2008, 01:45:05 PM
Well -- since you mentioned FIU  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mr Shango himself  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyLaugh::
(Big Hat tip to Nut44x4)


Miguel "Willie" Ramos (Ilarí Obá)
The Empire Beats On (master thesis), Florida International University, Miami 2000
Ase Omo Osayin ... Ewe Aye, 1982 /1985
Seminario de Religion Yoruba: Santeria, 1988; ISBN 1877845051
Adimú: Gbogbó Tén'unjé Lukumí, Miami 2003
Oro...Egungun. Las honras de Egungun, Eleda.Org Publications, Miami
Dida Obi ... Adivinación a través del Coco, Carolina, Puerto Rico, 1982



http://www.fiu.edu/~history/Students.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 20, 2008, 02:00:05 PM
anyone see anyone they recognize in here?

http://fiualumni.com/galleries.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 02:56:36 PM
Looks like a corner house...Poor Gabe...wonder if he peeks in here?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://southflorida.blockshopper.com/property/514127111760/3500_island_drive/

Maybe if he told all he knew we would just leave him alone...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 20, 2008, 03:20:02 PM
I have been wondering how Ernesto and Gabe just move to Florida. They must have had a sponser.

Arubans come and go into the US pretty easily. Vacation any time they want.

This for the other way around...Americans moving to Aruba...maybe that was a work permit Julia was waving around? Three years at a time...that might be something to hold over some-ones head. Things probably change if you marry an Aruban...

http://www.enjoyaruba.com/livinginaruba/index.htm

DINA - Aruban Immigration...I wonder how much contact they have with the likes of Jean Akers? Comes under Rudy Croes IIRC.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 20, 2008, 05:01:53 PM
I have been wondering how Ernesto and Gabe just move to Florida. They must have had a sponser.

Arubans come and go into the US pretty easily. Vacation any time they want.

This for the other way around...Americans moving to Aruba...maybe that was a work permit Julia was waving around? Three years at a time...that might be something to hold over some-ones head. Things probably change if you marry an Aruban...

http://www.enjoyaruba.com/livinginaruba/index.htm

DINA - Aruban Immigration...I wonder how much contact they have with the likes of Jean Akers? Comes under Rudy Croes IIRC.

I once worked with a girl from India.  Her husband was here in the states first with a student visa, then acquired a working visa.  Their arranged marriage was in India.  She came back with him with a visitor's visa.  My employer wanted to hire her, and sponsored her working visa. (perhaps her husband's was the same)....eventually, they both acquired their green cards. 

I would think the same would hold for Aruba.  We also know someone who's son married an Aruban girl he met in college.  They married in Aruba and she could not come here to the states with him for some time.  She's here, now, but there was paperwork, I'm sure.  We haven't seen them in months, however. 

Quite honestly, I don't know what is required by the US for visitors from off the mainland, or the restrictions in time of stay.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on May 20, 2008, 05:10:37 PM
Klassend:

MBOX


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 20, 2008, 06:39:33 PM
Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning and Thanks...I was in the main thread getting steamed about ISA...needed a laugh...

Just in case you missed this posted by Hotping last week... ::MonkeyWink::

Ernesto Arambatzis DOB 8/18/77 3470 East Coast Ave Apt#504 Miami Fl Issued 1/30/2006...original issue date 12/12/95..there are also two other addresses....7934 W Drive Loft Apt 1001 and 7934 West Drive, North Bay Village Fl...

From what I could find it appears the building was built in 2007...I got that from all the Realtor's sites.

Scuba said that Freddy's family had a big reunion that weekend...something to the effect that he had an airtight alibi...I can find the post if you want.

I am pretty sure Ernesto was in Aruba that weekend. ::MonkeyCool::




Here
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Documents/ErnestoArambatzisCourt.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on May 20, 2008, 06:59:06 PM
Promoter pretty boy Ernesto Arambatzis celebrated his birthday Wednesday at the Rose Bar at the Delano where he’s inviting Sins & Lovers, his weekly party cast with pretty boys and babes.
Is this him?
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2004/08-19-04/Nightlife.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 20, 2008, 07:38:55 PM
Promoter pretty boy Ernesto Arambatzis celebrated his birthday Wednesday at the Rose Bar at the Delano where he’s inviting Sins & Lovers, his weekly party cast with pretty boys and babes.
Is this him?
http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2004/08-19-04/Nightlife.htm

Yep, and here he is again.  http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2003-01-16/music/queen-of-the-night/

Just google Ernesto Arambatzis Delano, and you'll see plenty more.





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Buckeye on May 20, 2008, 10:43:40 PM
Looks like a corner house...Poor Gabe...wonder if he peeks in here?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://southflorida.blockshopper.com/property/514127111760/3500_island_drive/

Maybe if he told all he knew we would just leave him alone...

The cross street is interesting.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 21, 2008, 07:37:48 AM
I have been wondering how Ernesto and Gabe just move to Florida. They must have had a sponser.

Arubans come and go into the US pretty easily. Vacation any time they want.

This for the other way around...Americans moving to Aruba...maybe that was a work permit Julia was waving around? Three years at a time...that might be something to hold over some-ones head. Things probably change if you marry an Aruban...

http://www.enjoyaruba.com/livinginaruba/index.htm

DINA - Aruban Immigration...I wonder how much contact they have with the likes of Jean Akers? Comes under Rudy Croes IIRC.

I once worked with a girl from India.  Her husband was here in the states first with a student visa, then acquired a working visa.  Their arranged marriage was in India.  She came back with him with a visitor's visa.  My employer wanted to hire her, and sponsored her working visa. (perhaps her husband's was the same)....eventually, they both acquired their green cards. 

I would think the same would hold for Aruba.  We also know someone who's son married an Aruban girl he met in college.  They married in Aruba and she could not come here to the states with him for some time.  She's here, now, but there was paperwork, I'm sure.  We haven't seen them in months, however. 

Quite honestly, I don't know what is required by the US for visitors from off the mainland, or the restrictions in time of stay.


Thanks 2NJSons…jogged my memory on a few things.

Gabe was probably here on a student visa and some-one sponsored him so he could stay.

I recall when Freddy was detained that there was a post about a cousin in the US. So Ernesto may have come on a visitor’s visa and then applied for permanent status.

IIRC, you are not allowed to work on a visitor’s visa and would have needed a return ticket. Pretty sure with a Student visa that a one way ticket would be allowed. Not sure of the employment restrictions.

Sharon…Last week I found a Mynt Ultralounge in Columbus, Ohio. Didn’t find Ernesto, but really didn’t search very much. Maybe I should take a look at the Columbus newspapers…LOL

Would be really weird if Ernesto has moved from your backyard to close to mine!

Buckeye   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks everyone...had forgotten about the domestic violence case.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 21, 2008, 07:55:38 AM

Thanks 2NJSons…jogged my memory on a few things.

Gabe was probably here on a student visa and some-one sponsored him so he could stay.

I recall when Freddy was detained that there was a post about a cousin in the US. So Ernesto may have come on a visitor’s visa and then applied for permanent status.

IIRC, you are not allowed to work on a visitor’s visa and would have needed a return ticket. Pretty sure with a Student visa that a one way ticket would be allowed. Not sure of the employment restrictions.

Sharon…Last week I found a Mynt Ultralounge in Columbus, Ohio. Didn’t find Ernesto, but really didn’t search very much. Maybe I should take a look at the Columbus newspapers…LOL

Would be really weird if Ernesto has moved from your backyard to close to mine!

Buckeye   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks everyone...had forgotten about the domestic violence case.


Good morning Mum  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think it would be awesome if Ernie went to Ohio to open another Mynt lounge  ::MonkeyHaHa::

To add to the 'visa' discussion -- I have had employees 'sponsored' by the company I was working at in the past. Several times. From different countries. It takes a very very very long time. Usually several years.

But there are other types of work Visa's. And student visa's. Some are much faster. Also -- some countries garner more attention than others.

Dealt with this a lot when I worked with the cruise lines.

If I were to 'guess' who was sponsoring Gabe -- my first choice would be AHATA just down the block from his house  ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 21, 2008, 08:33:43 AM

Thanks 2NJSons…jogged my memory on a few things.

Gabe was probably here on a student visa and some-one sponsored him so he could stay.

I recall when Freddy was detained that there was a post about a cousin in the US. So Ernesto may have come on a visitor’s visa and then applied for permanent status.

IIRC, you are not allowed to work on a visitor’s visa and would have needed a return ticket. Pretty sure with a Student visa that a one way ticket would be allowed. Not sure of the employment restrictions.

Sharon…Last week I found a Mynt Ultralounge in Columbus, Ohio. Didn’t find Ernesto, but really didn’t search very much. Maybe I should take a look at the Columbus newspapers…LOL

Would be really weird if Ernesto has moved from your backyard to close to mine!

Buckeye   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks everyone...had forgotten about the domestic violence case.


Good morning Mum  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think it would be awesome if Ernie went to Ohio to open another Mynt lounge  ::MonkeyHaHa::

To add to the 'visa' discussion -- I have had employees 'sponsored' by the company I was working at in the past. Several times. From different countries. It takes a very very very long time. Usually several years.

But there are other types of work Visa's. And student visa's. Some are much faster. Also -- some countries garner more attention than others.

Dealt with this a lot when I worked with the cruise lines.

If I were to 'guess' who was sponsoring Gabe -- my first choice would be AHATA just down the block from his house  ::MonkeyCool::






Sharon…May have to go down to the next Art Walk on High Street! ::MonkeyCool::

I bet you are right on Gabe…Are both AHATA and ATA there?

You are right that some visas go through a lot quicker. Marrying an American is a lot quicker process, or so I am told, ::MonkeyWink:: still a lot of red tape and much quicker with an Immigration lawyer. IIRC this is another instance when a one way ticket is allowed.

At the other end, Aruba, it appears that the likes of Rick Zeolla would apply for a one year work permit and then could apply for a three year one. This would go through Rudy, DINA. I wonder about Charles Croes. Did he ever marry an Aruban or Dutch woman? Not sure if he is married at all! I think Rosalee did, Captain Jethro. What about Angela, Julia?

Pretty powerful stick that our friend Rudy holds…




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 21, 2008, 08:37:23 AM

Thanks 2NJSons…jogged my memory on a few things.

Gabe was probably here on a student visa and some-one sponsored him so he could stay.

I recall when Freddy was detained that there was a post about a cousin in the US. So Ernesto may have come on a visitor’s visa and then applied for permanent status.

IIRC, you are not allowed to work on a visitor’s visa and would have needed a return ticket. Pretty sure with a Student visa that a one way ticket would be allowed. Not sure of the employment restrictions.

Sharon…Last week I found a Mynt Ultralounge in Columbus, Ohio. Didn’t find Ernesto, but really didn’t search very much. Maybe I should take a look at the Columbus newspapers…LOL

Would be really weird if Ernesto has moved from your backyard to close to mine!

Buckeye   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks everyone...had forgotten about the domestic violence case.


Good morning Mum  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think it would be awesome if Ernie went to Ohio to open another Mynt lounge  ::MonkeyHaHa::

To add to the 'visa' discussion -- I have had employees 'sponsored' by the company I was working at in the past. Several times. From different countries. It takes a very very very long time. Usually several years.

But there are other types of work Visa's. And student visa's. Some are much faster. Also -- some countries garner more attention than others.

Dealt with this a lot when I worked with the cruise lines.

If I were to 'guess' who was sponsoring Gabe -- my first choice would be AHATA just down the block from his house  ::MonkeyCool::






Sharon…May have to go down to the next Art Walk on High Street! ::MonkeyCool::

I bet you are right on Gabe…Are both AHATA and ATA there?

You are right that some visas go through a lot quicker. Marrying an American is a lot quicker process, or so I am told, ::MonkeyWink:: still a lot of red tape and much quicker with an Immigration lawyer. IIRC this is another instance when a one way ticket is allowed.

At the other end, Aruba, it appears that the likes of Rick Zeolla would apply for a one year work permit and then could apply for a three year one. This would go through Rudy, DINA. I wonder about Charles Croes. Did he ever marry an Aruban or Dutch woman? Not sure if he is married at all! I think Rosalee did, Captain Jethro. What about Angela, Julia?

Pretty powerful stick that our friend Rudy holds…


Ya mean like Ernesto did?  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 21, 2008, 08:50:49 AM
Rob...had a quick look to see if there was UA at North Perry, didn't find one. Did find some interesting reading under Universal Weather and Aviation though.  ::MonkeyEek::

Lala's...from a few pages back...'a bone to pick' jmo

Mum,
I found a Universal Air, but it's for helicopters.

I think the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport is the one Oduber uses. So, I'm not sure how the North Perry fits into anything yet.... any ideas?


Sorry Rob...I meant to reply yesterday! It may be just that is where Gabe lives. North Perry, I mean.

If we are looking at Oduber and private jets we may need to take a look at Fort Lauderdale Executive and I think there is a Fort Lauderdale International.

Sharon...for that conference in June 2005 in Fort Lauderdale, which both Oduber and Condi Rice attended, do you think that Condi would have flown into Miami International?
TIA

YEP Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa::  ...do you recall the date he was married?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: sharon on May 21, 2008, 09:13:43 AM


Sorry Rob...I meant to reply yesterday! It may be just that is where Gabe lives. North Perry, I mean.

If we are looking at Oduber and private jets we may need to take a look at Fort Lauderdale Executive and I think there is a Fort Lauderdale International.

Sharon...for that conference in June 2005 in Fort Lauderdale, which both Oduber and Condi Rice attended, do you think that Condi would have flown into Miami International?
TIA

YEP Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa::  ...do you recall the date he was married?


http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/cfndetails.asp?pcfn_year=2007&pcfn_seq=98246&grp=1&page=1

Divorce was finalized 01/07. I know I have the marriage date somewhere. Will need to look.


Depending on where Condi was flying from -- my bet is still MIA (Miami Int'l). It's the best place to be able to provide security (ha ha -- as an 86 year old man crashed thru the chain link fence to the airport a few weeks ago)

I have been caught several times with the 'motorcades' for an official take off or landing  ::MonkeyConfused:: And the 'escort' motorcades -- like to the debates at U of M.

We are sometimes, but not usually, informed in advance - due to road closures and traffic detours -- and it's usually shown on TV.

That would be for Condi. Or Bush. I doubt for Oduber  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'll have to pay attention -- all 3 candidates are in Florida this week (Hillary, McCain and Hussein -- I mean Obama  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ) didn't hear that they came in MIA, though.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 21, 2008, 02:47:20 PM


Sorry Rob...I meant to reply yesterday! It may be just that is where Gabe lives. North Perry, I mean.

If we are looking at Oduber and private jets we may need to take a look at Fort Lauderdale Executive and I think there is a Fort Lauderdale International.

Sharon...for that conference in June 2005 in Fort Lauderdale, which both Oduber and Condi Rice attended, do you think that Condi would have flown into Miami International?
TIA

YEP Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa::  ...do you recall the date he was married?


http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/cfndetails.asp?pcfn_year=2007&pcfn_seq=98246&grp=1&page=1

Divorce was finalized 01/07. I know I have the marriage date somewhere. Will need to look.


Depending on where Condi was flying from -- my bet is still MIA (Miami Int'l). It's the best place to be able to provide security (ha ha -- as an 86 year old man crashed thru the chain link fence to the airport a few weeks ago)

I have been caught several times with the 'motorcades' for an official take off or landing  ::MonkeyConfused:: And the 'escort' motorcades -- like to the debates at U of M.

We are sometimes, but not usually, informed in advance - due to road closures and traffic detours -- and it's usually shown on TV.

That would be for Condi. Or Bush. I doubt for Oduber  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'll have to pay attention -- all 3 candidates are in Florida this week (Hillary, McCain and Hussein -- I mean Obama  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ) didn't hear that they came in MIA, though.

Obama sounds a bit too close to Osama to suite many people.  That took some gall to run for president and make out like he has  a black man's soul. I would have voted for General Powell, but not no muzzy making out like he is a real black man to get black votes.  General Powell had too much sense to get in that pit of vipers making out like they have this country's best interest in mind.  The Dems and Repubs are all out of the same cut of cloth.  They just take up different issues so that one of them will get elected and they can still cohort and divide up the "pie" the real Americans have bought and paid for with their blood, sweat and tears.
Jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: jackb on May 21, 2008, 02:52:51 PM


Sorry Rob...I meant to reply yesterday! It may be just that is where Gabe lives. North Perry, I mean.

If we are looking at Oduber and private jets we may need to take a look at Fort Lauderdale Executive and I think there is a Fort Lauderdale International.

Sharon...for that conference in June 2005 in Fort Lauderdale, which both Oduber and Condi Rice attended, do you think that Condi would have flown into Miami International?
TIA

YEP Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa::  ...do you recall the date he was married?


http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/public-records/cfndetails.asp?pcfn_year=2007&pcfn_seq=98246&grp=1&page=1

Divorce was finalized 01/07. I know I have the marriage date somewhere. Will need to look.


Depending on where Condi was flying from -- my bet is still MIA (Miami Int'l). It's the best place to be able to provide security (ha ha -- as an 86 year old man crashed thru the chain link fence to the airport a few weeks ago)

I have been caught several times with the 'motorcades' for an official take off or landing  ::MonkeyConfused:: And the 'escort' motorcades -- like to the debates at U of M.

We are sometimes, but not usually, informed in advance - due to road closures and traffic detours -- and it's usually shown on TV.

That would be for Condi. Or Bush. I doubt for Oduber  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I'll have to pay attention -- all 3 candidates are in Florida this week (Hillary, McCain and Hussein -- I mean Obama  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ) didn't hear that they came in MIA, though.
Sharon ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Morning and Thanks...I was in the main thread getting steamed about ISA...needed a laugh...

Just in case you missed this posted by Hotping last week... ::MonkeyWink::

Ernesto Arambatzis DOB 8/18/77 3470 East Coast Ave Apt#504 Miami Fl Issued 1/30/2006...original issue date 12/12/95..there are also two other addresses....7934 W Drive Loft Apt 1001 and 7934 West Drive, North Bay Village Fl...

From what I could find it appears the building was built in 2007...I got that from all the Realtor's sites.

Scuba said that Freddy's family had a big reunion that weekend...something to the effect that he had an airtight alibi...I can find the post if you want.

I am pretty sure Ernesto was in Aruba that weekend. ::MonkeyCool::




Here
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Documents/ErnestoArambatzisCourt.jpg)

Is that the only pose those boys know?  It seems Dompig had a pose like this.  Same agency.
That little GVC snit was a model too.  Wonder if they got one of him and his blanket?  jackb


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 21, 2008, 06:18:49 PM
(http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2003/01-16-03/IMAGE/nightlife5.jpg)
Hello, hello. Ernesto Arambatzis demonstrating
the uses of a cell phone at RUMI.


Thursday Night: Ready for a new party at a new location? Try visiting Sabor (formerly Breeze below Billboardlive) for a new party brought to you by some of your favorite promoters (including Jose Oritz and Ernesto Arambatzis). (This is where the Hilton Sisters threw a New Year’s Recovery party.)

http://tinyurl.com/4nklz2


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 21, 2008, 06:25:32 PM
(http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile5/1166/99/s720931412_8108.jpg)

(http://www.luminairex.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/veev-bar.jpg)
Think Erenesto is the one in the back.
http://tinyurl.com/6a86us



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 21, 2008, 06:35:38 PM
(http://b6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01109/61/52/1109472516_m.jpg)

  Ernesto's Details
Status:   Single
Orientation:   Gay
Zodiac Sign:   Leo
Education:   College graduate

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=105566154


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 21, 2008, 07:05:44 PM
I wonder why Freddy told people not to call him Arambatzis but just Zedan.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: bleachedblack on May 21, 2008, 07:18:01 PM
Not really clear how the family name thing works.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 07:08:53 AM
I wonder why Freddy told people not to call him Arambatzis but just Zedan.


Hi *******…I think he said that around the time he was arrested in August. I don’t think there ever were any charges. Maybe he didn’t want to be confused with Freddy Arends, or maybe Ernesto didn’t like the bad press associated with the name Arambatzis…LOL

BB…I never did work out the names either…wonder what went along with Ernesto Arambatzis…

This is the pic of Ernesto that I think looks like the ‘evil’ pic of Freddy.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=227493



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 07:14:18 AM

For Lala’s…….A Jackie Croes at the ACB...not sure who is at ATA...Any idea anyone?

http://www.arubaconventionbureau.com/
http://dutch.aruba.com/pages/contact.htm

Ft. LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA, VS

Aruba Tourism Authority
One Financial Plaza, Suite 2508
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33394   Phone: (954) 767-6477Fax: (954) 767-0432   ata.florida@aruba.com

Aruba Convention Bureau
One Financial Plaza, Suite 2508
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33394   Phone: (954) 767-3395Fax: (954) 767-0714   ata.acb@aruba.com



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 11:37:33 AM
Rob....I knew the University of Aruba had a Hospitality Course and found that tied to the University of Central Florida. This has FIU listed as one of the colleges that credits will transfer to.

Hospitality & Tourism

http://epiaruba.com/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=53


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:14:24 PM
NEW UPDATED MAP

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/GABELEOFLORIDAGOOGLEMAP2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:23:48 PM
Rob....I knew the University of Aruba had a Hospitality Course and found that tied to the University of Central Florida. This has FIU listed as one of the colleges that credits will transfer to.

Hospitality & Tourism

http://epiaruba.com/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=53



Thanks Mum... now we have a definite link to Aruba. Now I need a link to a specific person. And this area could be solved. We're getting closer.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:28:04 PM
just found this link between the ATA and the Brickell

Juan Keyter
Sales & Marketing Manager
Brickell Bay Beach Resort
Palm Beach, Aruba
Dutch Caribbean
Tel: +297 586-0900
Fax: 297 586-4957

sales@brickellbayaruba.cm

http://forum.aruba.com/member.php?u=263

not sure this is anything more than a link from the ATA to Posner.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:33:58 PM

For Lala’s…….A Jackie Croes at the ACB...not sure who is at ATA...Any idea anyone?

jo.croes
ATA representative

http://forum.aruba.com/member.php?u=17


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
I think I posted this one before.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://forum.aruba.com/member.php?u=247

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/charlierat-ata2.jpg)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 02:40:51 PM
Hi Rob...we have this one in Miami...From getagrip's site...Thanks Getagrip!

Been changing the spelling around a little as it was close to Meneses...


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html

Currently, there are three salespeople directly contracted by AHATA, Donna Delgado in Washington, Mayline Menendez in Miami and Charly Ibarra in New York.

Pesquera added that AHATA is increasing this sales force with four or five people from NBTC, which is categorized as an extraordinary coverage for our island. “This is a unique alliance in the Caribbean”, he said.

Posted by Getagrip at 1/06/2006 12:11:00 AM   




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:43:41 PM
looks at this one - it HAS to be Renfro

http://forum.aruba.com/member.php?u=141

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 02:45:49 PM
Hi Rob...we have this one in Miami...From getagrip's site...Thanks Getagrip!

Been changing the spelling around a little as it was close to Meneses...


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html

Currently, there are three salespeople directly contracted by AHATA, Donna Delgado in Washington, Mayline Menendez in Miami and Charly Ibarra in New York.

she's not showing up... could have a name that is just a screen name. There are many like that listed on the ATA forum.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 02:58:54 PM
This is in Fort Lauderdale...will check the links tomorrow...

http://www.manta.com/coms2/page_cse?cx=000513454314247386359%3Aarvxicegnim&cof=FORID%3A11&q=Wichita%20Villacres%20Eco%20Destination%20Management%20Services&sa=Search#1342



http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_wtyx0

Eco Destination Management ServicesIs This Your Company?
5410 Sw 130th Ave, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33330-2718, United States  (Map)

Phone: (954) 442-8863



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 03:05:41 PM
Hi Rob...we have this one in Miami...From getagrip's site...Thanks Getagrip!

Been changing the spelling around a little as it was close to Meneses...


http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_01_01_archive.html

Currently, there are three salespeople directly contracted by AHATA, Donna Delgado in Washington, Mayline Menendez in Miami and Charly Ibarra in New York.

she's not showing up... could have a name that is just a screen name. There are many like that listed on the ATA forum.

From 2000

12/21/2000
Vol.: 28 / No. 50
Page: 
 
Poor attendance in Miami from Puerto Rico
 By JOHN COLLINS
 
MIAMI--Carrying the flag for Puerto Rico at this year's Miami Conference on the Caribbean & Latin America was Mayline Menendez, sales manager of the Puerto Rico Convention Bureau (PRCB).
http://www.prwow.com/html/Archives/ArcDetail2.php?archID=8543

The names were hard to find in some of these I looked at. she appears to be with MeetAruba...part of AHATA

Convention and Visitors Bureau - SITE Finder ServiceMeet Aruba - Convention Bureau for US and Canada Member. Mayline Menendez. (3044 SW 154th Place Miami, FL 33122 United States) ...
www.thesitefinderservice.com/results.php?&heading=107&num_page=100 


 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 22, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Rob...I am not sure who she is with. I am seeing MeetAruba-AHATA and the Convention Bureau...same address...same goals may as well be the same thing!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2008, 03:15:40 PM
Rob...I am not sure who she is with. I am seeing MeetAruba-AHATA and the Convention Bureau...same address...same goals may as well be the same thing!

probably not with the ATA, but they are all wrapped up together anyway. I'm not sure that having AHATA in your title makes too much difference except that they deal with the hotel industry and is an off shoot of the Tourism Authority.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 22, 2008, 03:56:35 PM
This is in Fort Lauderdale...will check the links tomorrow...

http://www.manta.com/coms2/page_cse?cx=000513454314247386359%3Aarvxicegnim&cof=FORID%3A11&q=Wichita%20Villacres%20Eco%20Destination%20Management%20Services&sa=Search#1342



http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_wtyx0

Eco Destination Management ServicesIs This Your Company?
5410 Sw 130th Ave, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33330-2718, United States  (Map)

Phone: (954) 442-8863



ECO DESTINATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES OF ARUBA N.V.  
 
Business address MAZURKA 15, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Name of the company  ECO DESTINATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES OF ARUBA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  31 MAY 1989 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
VILLACRES, WICHITA MAOREEN; 
Residing in  MAZURKA 15, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ECUADOR, GUAYAQUIL on 20 SEPTEMBER 1957 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  31 MAY 1989 
Authority  FULL 
   
MEZA-GUZMAN, GLADYS MAGALI; 
Residing in  SABANA LIBER 13-Q, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ECUADOR, QUITO on 8 OCTOBER 1966 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  16 JANUARY 2007 
Authority  FULL 
   




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 23, 2008, 07:19:02 AM
Rob...I am not sure who she is with. I am seeing MeetAruba-AHATA and the Convention Bureau...same address...same goals may as well be the same thing!

probably not with the ATA, but they are all wrapped up together anyway. I'm not sure that having AHATA in your title makes too much difference except that they deal with the hotel industry and is an off shoot of the Tourism Authority.

Rob...I see I confused myself again! Needed to get myself off the computer, and saw that she was referenced as both MeetAruba and the Convention Bureau. will check a little later, as MeetAruba is a fairly new group. Need to go back and read some of the things I looked at yesterday.

Pita ... Thanks for the info on her! Been in Aruba since 1989 at least, Dutch and opened her business in Fort Lauderdale, not sure when!

I think that 4000 listings on the Chamber records is an awful lot for an island with the population that Aruba has!

TRIVIA...The orange on the Dutch flag was changed to red as the orange would run!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 23, 2008, 07:49:49 AM
This is in Fort Lauderdale...will check the links tomorrow...

http://www.manta.com/coms2/page_cse?cx=000513454314247386359%3Aarvxicegnim&cof=FORID%3A11&q=Wichita%20Villacres%20Eco%20Destination%20Management%20Services&sa=Search#1342



http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_wtyx0

Eco Destination Management ServicesIs This Your Company?
5410 Sw 130th Ave, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33330-2718, United States  (Map)

Phone: (954) 442-8863



ECO DESTINATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES OF ARUBA N.V.  
 
Business address MAZURKA 15, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Name of the company  ECO DESTINATION MANAGEMENT SERVICES OF ARUBA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  31 MAY 1989 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
VILLACRES, WICHITA MAOREEN; 
Residing in  MAZURKA 15, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ECUADOR, GUAYAQUIL on 20 SEPTEMBER 1957 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  31 MAY 1989 
Authority  FULL 
   
MEZA-GUZMAN, GLADYS MAGALI; 
Residing in  SABANA LIBER 13-Q, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ECUADOR, QUITO on 8 OCTOBER 1966 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  16 JANUARY 2007 
Authority  FULL 

ECO Destination Management Of Aruba Celebrates 20 years

Eco Destination Management celebrated two decades on the island just recently, with founder Wichita Villacres, Owner and C.E.O., orchestrating a day of festivities for her staff members.

Wichita started her career in the worldwide shipping industry and moved to Aruba in 1982. She saw the need for a destination management company here and with that in mind, she taught herself the business, and by 1987, founded Eco Destination Management Services of Aruba.

In 1992, she was named ‘Woman of the Year,’ for her contributions to making the island a true meeting and incentive destination, a market which had never been fully realized before her efforts.

In her quest to explore the possibilities for Aruba, she was recognized in 1990 for her creativity by the Society of Incentive Travel Executives, SITE, with two Crystal Awards, one for organizing legendary Arubadam, a street carnival party, in the heart of Oranjestad and for flawless handling of a 5-night incentive program, for an oversize group.

In addition to her involvement with her business and her family, Wichita is always deeply committed to the community, working in a number of organizations on the betterment of the industry and the island.

She was a board member of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, AHATA; a director of the Society of Incentive Travel Executives, SITE, Caribbean Chapter; President and founder of the Aruba Tourism Scholarship and Awards Foundation; member of Meeting Professionals International, MPI, and member of International Special Event Society, ISES, as well as member of Association of Destination Management Executives, and the SKAL Club, which she recently rejoined, in Miami.

In 2002, Wichita purchased the South East Florida Destination Management Franchise from PRA Destination Management, and by 2006 not only surpassed PRA’s yearly goals but also grew exponentially and became well established within the Florida community.

Hard working, driven and fun, Wichita is an inspiration to those who meet and work with her, she always strives to become the best at whatever she sets out to do.

True to her credo “there is no mountain too high to climb,” it is always entertaining to watch her operate!

                                                (http://www.aruba.com/news/wp-content/uploads/dsc01862.jpg)

Pictured here Wichita and Aruba’s Minister of Tourism Eng. Edison Briezen at a recent Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino penthouse gala affair in which ECO Destination Management Services of Aruba celebrated 20 years and recognized the minister for his from-the-get-go support and endorsement.

Story submitted by Rona Coster

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/eco-destination-management-of-aruba-celebrates-20-years/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 23, 2008, 08:29:27 AM
Thanks Pita!

This puts her right close to Gabe, I think! Windmark is related, I found on another site.

http://tinyurl.com/3pqtra




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 23, 2008, 08:32:04 AM
More...

Background Report for Wichita Every
Address History for Wichita Every includes the following citie(s):
1 address in MIAMI FL
10 addresses in HIALEAH FL
2 addresses in POMPANO BEACH FL
3 addresses in NORTH MIAMI BEACH FL
10 addresses in PEMBROKE PINES FL
3 addresses in SOUTHWEST RANCHES FL


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 23, 2008, 08:44:45 AM
More...2 California addresses...Will check some more on her in a little bit!

http://tinyurl.com/3sromg


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Pita on May 23, 2008, 12:05:07 PM

Wichita is also a member of SiteChicago, located in Chicago Illinois.

SITE Chicago
401 North Michigan Ave
Suite 2200
Chicago, IL 60611


SITE Chicago chapter
Who We Are

Membership

Membership is available to any individual who serves in an executive or management position as a principal, member or employee of any firm or corporation engaged in the design, promotion, sale, administration operation or development of incentives, corporate travel and events or who similarly provides non-travel related rewards for motivational programs, and who has a reputation for integrity and sound character and agrees to abide by the Society's Bylaws and Code of Ethics and such other rules, regulations or practices as may be adopted......
 
http://sitechicago.org/about.htm


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 23, 2008, 12:43:43 PM
Rob...I will keep on this Wichita Villacres woman. I have found some-one she employed in 2002, Maoreen Every, that graduated from Hollywood Florida highschool. Not sure how the Every name ties in but it showed up on my search of of Wichita. May be more connections to that area, just south of Fort Lauderdale. Heaps out there on her, so I will see where it leads! Won't have a lot of time until maybe Wednesday, but will let you know if it leads anywhere!

Pita has an eye on her as well! Thanks Pita!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 23, 2008, 12:58:46 PM
Maoreen just happened to graduate from Broward County Community College-South, which is located at 7300 Pines Blvd, Pembroke Pines, FL...which happens to be that college on the top corner of North Perry Airport...College St. - another coincidence. Now I am wondering which school Gabe attended?

Have a great weekend everyone!
 

Broward Community College - South Campus, Pembroke pines, Florida (FL)Diana Estrada, 2001 - 2003. Maoreen Every, 2001 - 2005 .... Ever find yourself wondering what happened to so-and-so from Broward Community College - South ...
www.classmates.com/directory/college/Broward%20Community%20College%20-%20South%20Campus?org=17193861 - 343k - Cached - Similar pages




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on May 24, 2008, 10:12:34 AM
Is this the Whitehouse Apartments?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4823/5/

Apartamento na Moko a pega candela 
Local 
Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 02:25 
Diasabra marduga den sercania di Rancho Monte Blanco dos unidad di Brandweer ta wordo manda cu urgencia pa un apartamento cu lo mester ta na candela. Na yegada di e promer truck di Brandweer enberdad ta constata cu tin candela. Nan a cuminsa na combati e candela y a logra di paga esaki pero parti paden a keda bastante destrui. Mester remarca si cu no tabata tin hopi muebles den e apartamento. Esaki ta hiba na conclui cu probablemente e apartamento no tabata habita. Brandweer lo investiga e causa di e candela. Click read more pa mira mas imagen.

Through translator:

 apartment at moko owing to stick candela
 saturday, 24 may 2008 - 02:25

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Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Observer on May 24, 2008, 01:29:45 PM
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5571/1storiesnews2008mei2008jb5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4823/5/


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 24, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
Why is it everything we talk about on this forum goes up in flames eventually?   Is that my imagination or what?  :roll:


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 24, 2008, 03:17:41 PM
Why is it everything we talk about on this forum goes up in flames eventually?   Is that my imagination or what?  :roll:

It's not really funny but this made me  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 24, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Why is it everything we talk about on this forum goes up in flames eventually?   Is that my imagination or what?  :roll:

It's not really funny but this made me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me too....... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Silverfox on May 25, 2008, 05:59:13 PM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 26, 2008, 05:30:45 AM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...




Silverfox – I am not sure if Jossy is a friend, Dirty Hand or possibly even Shango? I have done a lot of research on Jossy and the Mansur family and their businesses, both in the US and overseas going back to 1993.

Jossy and his immediate family have direct ties to Doral and Miami, Florida. The Mansur family has ties to Florida and Maracaibo, Venezuela. (Remember Freddy Zedan – Maracaibo Venezuela).

Coincidence – when I was checking the Mansur’ businesses on the Chamber Registry a few weeks ago, it went down!

All I have right now is a lot more dots!!

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1023_n.php


That past was controlled by the Arubanese Volks Partij (AVP) within which Jossy Mansur, editor of the Dairio newspaper and spokesperson for the Venezuelan-origin Mansur family, is the godfather. Many members of the Mansur family (Lebanese ancestry) maintain their Venezuelan passports. Conveniently, the Mansurs maintain economic activities in Puento Fijo, Coro, Caracas and Maracaibo Venezuela. These economic activities, despite their monopoly on many tradable commodities, center on the more clandestine forms of money laundering and drug trafficking. Exchanges between Aruba and Venezuela occur routinely with the use of fastboats, owned by the Mansur family.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 26, 2008, 03:44:38 PM
As we all know...even people that are into the shady side of things have very legit businesses and ventures also. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 26, 2008, 10:03:58 PM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...




Silverfox – I am not sure if Jossy is a friend, Dirty Hand or possibly even Shango? I have done a lot of research on Jossy and the Mansur family and their businesses, both in the US and overseas going back to 1993.

Jossy and his immediate family have direct ties to Doral and Miami, Florida. The Mansur family has ties to Florida and Maracaibo, Venezuela. (Remember Freddy Zedan – Maracaibo Venezuela).

Coincidence – when I was checking the Mansur’ businesses on the Chamber Registry a few weeks ago, it went down!

All I have right now is a lot more dots!!

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1023_n.php


That past was controlled by the Arubanese Volks Partij (AVP) within which Jossy Mansur, editor of the Dairio newspaper and spokesperson for the Venezuelan-origin Mansur family, is the godfather. Many members of the Mansur family (Lebanese ancestry) maintain their Venezuelan passports. Conveniently, the Mansurs maintain economic activities in Puento Fijo, Coro, Caracas and Maracaibo Venezuela. These economic activities, despite their monopoly on many tradable commodities, center on the more clandestine forms of money laundering and drug trafficking. Exchanges between Aruba and Venezuela occur routinely with the use of fastboats, owned by the Mansur family.


The Simian:

"We are worried when people say that they won’t come, because wherever I am I always invite people to my island. It is the best advertisement.

I do have to let all of you know that bookings are up (YTD) and it is actually low-season at the moment. Which is what explains the students getting their vacation packages at US$ 1500."

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 26, 2008, 10:52:18 PM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...




Silverfox – I am not sure if Jossy is a friend, Dirty Hand or possibly even Shango? I have done a lot of research on Jossy and the Mansur family and their businesses, both in the US and overseas going back to 1993.

Jossy and his immediate family have direct ties to Doral and Miami, Florida. The Mansur family has ties to Florida and Maracaibo, Venezuela. (Remember Freddy Zedan – Maracaibo Venezuela).

Coincidence – when I was checking the Mansur’ businesses on the Chamber Registry a few weeks ago, it went down!

All I have right now is a lot more dots!!

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1023_n.php


That past was controlled by the Arubanese Volks Partij (AVP) within which Jossy Mansur, editor of the Dairio newspaper and spokesperson for the Venezuelan-origin Mansur family, is the godfather. Many members of the Mansur family (Lebanese ancestry) maintain their Venezuelan passports. Conveniently, the Mansurs maintain economic activities in Puento Fijo, Coro, Caracas and Maracaibo Venezuela. These economic activities, despite their monopoly on many tradable commodities, center on the more clandestine forms of money laundering and drug trafficking. Exchanges between Aruba and Venezuela occur routinely with the use of fastboats, owned by the Mansur family.


The Simian:

"We are worried when people say that they won’t come, because wherever I am I always invite people to my island. It is the best advertisement.

I do have to let all of you know that bookings are up (YTD) and it is actually low-season at the moment. Which is what explains the students getting their vacation packages at US$ 1500."

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.



Interesting COLUMBO...Nice to see you...More homework!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 26, 2008, 11:07:52 PM
Instant messaging could explain Simian's double posts and Shock's use of  the word 'we' posting from Florida...just a thought...posting the message in haste...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 28, 2008, 12:33:56 PM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...




Didn't recognize you there...fox...yes that is a possibility.  According to Shango..he walks in all houses...that could mean clean and dirty houses and knows all...since there seems to be many dirty hands...I would say you would need some power to continue in this category...you would need to "know" some things.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 28, 2008, 06:26:14 PM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:08 pm
The 46th will pay for the children of the Elders
Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:13 pm
DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks, and houses of Rave

He can break the alibi

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:30 pm
You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon
the girl knew this
Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks
DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless.
He can break the alibi

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house   (he holds the real key!)
where the children of the babylonians (young babylonians)
and the arawak nation    (Babalu's post)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note. (their tables)
Tell the cowboys!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 28, 2008, 07:51:47 PM
Mum: homework.....is this stated correctly from the post, and was it really Shango?

Van Rijn cannot be pressured
The FBI will close the whole operation


and does it essentially restate this?????

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks

DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless.
He can break the alibi

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 28, 2008, 08:03:43 PM
Mum: homework ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::.....is this stated correctly from the post, and was it really Shango?

Van Rijn cannot be pressured
The FBI will close the whole operation


and does it essentially restate this?????

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key
The Arawaks fear his exposure
The house of babylon would tumble down on the teepees of the Arawaks

DirtyHand knows the cowboys will leave lootless.
He can break the alibi

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The card of babylon was already played
if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation
the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made
Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles
cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood
The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response


Feel like a college kid studying for finals! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on May 28, 2008, 10:56:22 PM
Mum: homework.....is this stated correctly from the post, and was it really Shango?

Van Rijn cannot be pressured
The FBI will close the whole operation

not Mum/not sure if I understand the question, but:
Van Rijn cannot be pressured
The FBI will close the whole operation ...

... came from the poster babalu
who was thinking out loud re shango posts



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: SS on May 28, 2008, 11:48:49 PM
I have always felt that Jossy could be Shango.  Shango has a beautiful command of the English language and phrases, combining twists in his riddles that are uniquely Pap or Dutch.  He understands all of the languages enough to play with the words in all three.  Did I read somewhere that Jossy wrote a dictionary?  I think that Jossy knows all that happens on that island and I do feel that he has been helpful to us and Beth/Dave.  His motives might be for his own political revenge, and he might be connected to the mob, but I do feel that he's in our corner with Natalee.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on May 29, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
I have always felt that Jossy could be Shango.  Shango has a beautiful command of the English language and phrases, combining twists in his riddles that are uniquely Pap or Dutch.  He understands all of the languages enough to play with the words in all three.  Did I read somewhere that Jossy wrote a dictionary?  I think that Jossy knows all that happens on that island and I do feel that he has been helpful to us and Beth/Dave.  His motives might be for his own political revenge, and he might be connected to the mob, but I do feel that he's in our corner with Natalee.


Simian:  "Crack a book sometime........"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 29, 2008, 06:54:53 PM
From Wiki

Jossy Mehsen Mansur (Aruba, June 7, 1934) is a descendant from an originally Lebanese family, which settled on the island of Aruba. He is the editor of the Papiamento-language newspaper Diario in Aruba. Jossy Mansur has written two dictionaries for the Papiamento language and has written a history of Aruba among other numerous other books.

Newspaper editor Jossy Mansur

Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]

Mansur has strongly advocated a point of view in the cases of Eduardo Mathew and Natalee Holloway. He appeared regularly on Fox News and Nancy Grace's CNN Headline News show commenting on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. Mansur formed his own "investigative team" and his newspaper repeatedly published new leads. According to some observers, Mansur latched onto the bandwagon as part of his own feud with the Aruban government.[

Found this on Shango...

Thus, in Santería, Oggun is St. Peter, or St. Santiago; Oshun is La Caridad del Cobre, Cuba's Black Virgin and Patron Saint; Shango becomes Saint Barbara (he disguised himself as a woman); Oya is St. Candelaria; Osanyin is Joseph; Obatala is either Jesus or Mecedes; Ellegua is St. Anthony of Padua, and Orula/Ife is St. Francis.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
Jossy knew that Freddy was held early on in the case….

And speaking of Freddy….Pretty sure all of these statements have to do with Freddy!!

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Leonardo Lopez Rivera (second statement)
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
Date:30 August 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Koen Gottenbos
Date: 30 August 2005 / 18:30
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm


Jacobs and Soemers were busy!!!!Too busy to talk to Joran, Deepak and Satish!

Where are Freddy’s statements!!!!!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:14:02 PM

Seeing the lighthouse is being discussed on the main thread…how does it fit? And why does Shango change the Y to an I?


Shango on June 28th, 2005 12:34 am
That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light


Yliana on June 28th, 2005 12:34 am
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held. And these houses are not really mazes but have different rooms where things can happen

subdude on June 28th, 2005 12:34 am
Big Pappy: Good man. What’s the risk, a little egg on the face? Well worth the chance of helping.
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I beleive.
Arawaks are Arubans. Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” — thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.
Yliana: Any thoughts?

Shango on June 28th, 2005 1:11 am
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
For the "Suspicious Minds" like mine...LOL

Why question the guy that late? Did he just finish his shift? Did he switch shifts?Was he the only SG?.....

Name: Franklin Ireno Albertus
Date: 01 June 2005 / 23:25
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator Angelo Anthony & Jonathan Orman
Description: witness statement by a California Lighthouse security guard


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:18:28 PM
I was thinking about the lighthouse and this guard was probably the only one there that late.  Wonder why they have one there if it is locked at night?  Would he not work during the day and not at night?  Maybe they asked if it was unlocked or broken in to that night.  Surely, he isn't the only SG that works there?  Well, maybe he is...why do they lock it anyway?  Are their stairs that go all the way up?  Maybe it's for safety reasons.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Puzzler on May 30, 2008, 11:49:17 PM
Where's Capslock?

Why are we not hearing from him?




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: hotping on May 31, 2008, 12:51:42 AM
I was wondering the same thing Puzzler......Caps if You get a chance leave Us a message and let Us know You are alright.....TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2008, 01:54:16 AM
Hi Puzzler and Hotping!
I heard from Caps recently and he is very busy with research!  Hopefully he will have time to check in here soon!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 09:21:41 AM
MUM
Did I read somewhere you said Koen had an alibi...so tight!  Time for more 5th discussion...where are you Mum?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 09:44:42 AM
MUM
Did I read somewhere you said Koen had an alibi...so tight!  Time for more 5th discussion...where are you Mum?

Here for a little bit...Lala's

Visiting his friends in Florida...now where did that come from...back to thread 1!!!



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 09:52:46 AM
Simian hints added to Blonde’s post from another thread, Thanks Blonde, hoping we can nail down who Armin was getting his info from.

Please feel free to add and edit…


« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 04:52:21 PM »Blonde   
 
Simian hints
I am from Aruba
I have taken a tour of the facility
So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.

I am from a European family that migrated in the late 1700’s.
 
 Has a friend who is a owner of a restaurant The comments I posted was from a restaurant owner friend of mine.
 I have been to C&C
Have taken girls there myself, but in cars

.
PS it is 149. Ivy cualified The Simian has an IQ of 149 as measured by Gringos
The Simian belongs to an Aruban society much like “Skull & Bones” -The origin of the Skull & Bones Society, once known as The Brotherhood of Death, in the U.S. begins at Yale when a group of men established an organization for the purpose of drug smuggling.
The Simian doesn’t make predictions. Only gives the group information ahead of time he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources
The man on the inside will call soon
Joran and The Kalpoes are at the Main Police Office right now
Fxxx the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know. Today anyone can be called a blue blood if he or she is of noble birth, a member of hight society, and so on.
Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island
The Simian has a handicap of 12
We smoke Nederweed. Genetically enigineered
I am American too. Just a South American
The real Simian would never write like that
"Crack a book sometime........"
That is the information in the circles and in the press in Aruba
Ik ben rustig hoor, maar sommige dingen moeten gewoon gezegd worden –languages?Understands the law
Double posts
Posted from Aruba
Posted under other nics







32.   



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 09:57:08 AM
My hints to Shango…Simian posts below may give us some insight as to Shango is? Again, please feel free to add and edit!

Posted from Florida
Posted under other nics
Disguised himself as a woman at times
Had a bone to pick

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes

Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.
Posted Jun 28, 2:53 AM




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 10:07:37 AM
My hints to Shango…Simian posts below may give us some insight as to Shango is? Again, please feel free to add and edit!

Posted from Florida
Posted under other nics
Disguised himself as a woman at times
Had a bone to pick

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes

Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.
Posted Jun 28, 2:53 AM




I would think Gabe spoke Pap...surely he did...so that would make me think it is someone that might have spoken English and maybe Dutch? 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 10:19:44 AM
My hints to Shango…Simian posts below may give us some insight as to Shango is? Again, please feel free to add and edit!

Posted from Florida
Posted under other nics
Disguised himself as a woman at times
Had a bone to pick

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Shango cannot understand PAPIAMENTO, otheriwse he would have already taken notice that he has been pinged.
If you really know more, you should spent the 8 days in jail eating peanut butter on stale bread with some cold tea. Just like Steve Croes

Shango, whenever you think you can get on the inside of the real Aruban society give me a sign, you probably were picking up the trash.
You have been pinged. Bai drumi! Ta laat caba.
Posted Jun 28, 2:53 AM




I would think Gabe spoke Pap...surely he did...so that would make me think it is someone that might have spoken English and maybe Dutch? 

I agree...that one just hit me recently! Narrows the field! Unless 2 peeps were posting as Shango...At different times...from the same place...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 10:43:19 AM
Well, from my point of view with the possibilities...it would be someone that not close to the Aruban people or should I say not a local or Dutch?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Helen Back on May 31, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
Hi Puzzler and Hotping!
I heard from Caps recently and he is very busy with research!  Hopefully he will have time to check in here soon!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Good to hear.  Thanks, TM.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 12:26:34 PM
Well, from my point of view with the possibilities...it would be someone that not close to the Aruban people or should I say not a local or Dutch?

Bone to pick? An American, close to an Aruban, maybe? Educated?

LOL...I just eliminated 3 of my possibilities if I go with that...


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 02:35:04 PM
Well, from my point of view with the possibilities...it would be someone that not close to the Aruban people or should I say not a local or Dutch?

Bone to pick? An American, close to an Aruban, maybe? Educated?

LOL...I just eliminated 3 of my possibilities if I go with that...

LOL Me too.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 05:35:29 PM
Vms...do we have this already? TIA

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1721724/page/3?PHPSESSID=25138aa93dafe75720dd236ee22c61a7


Re: Greg Howe on cover of GP [Re: Editor Boy] 
Armin Solognier Armin Solognier
Member


Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 1
Loc: Aruba

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 Mike,

Guitar Player is doing a great job. I buy every issues since 1989 and I enjoy some more than the other, but I do enjoy all of them.

Your willingness to share the information on sales is indicative of what kind of magazine GP really is. One that cares about its readers and one that cares enough to keep the magazine going. Like it or not GP is an institution in the guitar playing community.

I have my own favorite players, like Bonamassa, John Mayer and Doyle Bramhall II, but I also like the classics such as Beck and Van Halen. At the same time I also like to hear about new players.

Keep up the work with the magazine, but also the "media-mix" you are building through the forums and GPTV.

Armin Solognier



Edited by Armin Solognier (08/07/07 09:27 AM)
_________________________
Carmina Morte Carent - Ovidio 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 08:20:13 PM
Vms...do we have this already? TIA

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1721724/page/3?PHPSESSID=25138aa93dafe75720dd236ee22c61a7


Re: Greg Howe on cover of GP [Re: Editor Boy] 
Armin Solognier Armin Solognier
Member


Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 1
Loc: Aruba

  Offline 
 Mike,

Guitar Player is doing a great job. I buy every issues since 1989 and I enjoy some more than the other, but I do enjoy all of them.

Your willingness to share the information on sales is indicative of what kind of magazine GP really is. One that cares about its readers and one that cares enough to keep the magazine going. Like it or not GP is an institution in the guitar playing community.

I have my own favorite players, like Bonamassa, John Mayer and Doyle Bramhall II, but I also like the classics such as Beck and Van Halen. At the same time I also like to hear about new players.

Keep up the work with the magazine, but also the "media-mix" you are building through the forums and GPTV.

Armin Solognier



Edited by Armin Solognier (08/07/07 09:27 AM)
_________________________
Carmina Morte Carent - Ovidio 

He certainly has a master of the English language there...he's had tons of practice I suspect.



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 07:49:34 AM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...




Silverfox – I am not sure if Jossy is a friend, Dirty Hand or possibly even Shango? I have done a lot of research on Jossy and the Mansur family and their businesses, both in the US and overseas going back to 1993.

Jossy and his immediate family have direct ties to Doral and Miami, Florida. The Mansur family has ties to Florida and Maracaibo, Venezuela. (Remember Freddy Zedan – Maracaibo Venezuela).

Coincidence – when I was checking the Mansur’ businesses on the Chamber Registry a few weeks ago, it went down!

All I have right now is a lot more dots!!

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1023_n.php


That past was controlled by the Arubanese Volks Partij (AVP) within which Jossy Mansur, editor of the Dairio newspaper and spokesperson for the Venezuelan-origin Mansur family, is the godfather. Many members of the Mansur family (Lebanese ancestry) maintain their Venezuelan passports. Conveniently, the Mansurs maintain economic activities in Puento Fijo, Coro, Caracas and Maracaibo Venezuela. These economic activities, despite their monopoly on many tradable commodities, center on the more clandestine forms of money laundering and drug trafficking. Exchanges between Aruba and Venezuela occur routinely with the use of fastboats, owned by the Mansur family.


The Simian:

"We are worried when people say that they won’t come, because wherever I am I always invite people to my island. It is the best advertisement.

I do have to let all of you know that bookings are up (YTD) and it is actually low-season at the moment. Which is what explains the students getting their vacation packages at US$ 1500."

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.



MONEY! FINANCE! BANKS!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 07:53:57 AM
Posts from Kermit, Anna and Nut….

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.msg320300#msg320300

« Reply #783 on: December 21, 2007, 06:40:23 PM » Kermit
Digicel next door to CMB bank - SEE THE CMB BANK TO THE RIGHT
Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss

Lincoln Gomez is on his board of directors (he was seen on Greta in the beginning doing interviews)

Aruba Financial Center Association ("AFCA") - Lincoln D. Gomez, treasurer

Bill Carson, CMB Carribean Mercantile Bank

(all the way to Bill's house - LALAMOM - maybe Shango or Simian who posted that info meant the bank)

CHARLES CROES
Author: charles (---.setardsl.aw)
Date: 03-05-05 22:02

Open letter to the Aruba Tourism Authority

CC Rory Arends - with hopes that you will pass this on to the correct person.

This does not apply to all that visit or that want to know what is going on. Nor does it apply to those that genuinly love Aruba and want to share.

Not to long ago, it was a pleasure, now it is questionable at best.
http://tinyurl.com/qefda

I strongly urge those that belong to the ATA who have the trigger pulling power to make decisions, to do so and to do so to the benefit of the BB , To the ATA and (most importantly) to Aruba.

Registration is needed and some sort of monitoring system is a must. Give this some serious thought since the image of our island is involved.

Charles Croes


INTRICATE WEAVING IN ARUBA OFFICIALS:

* Johan Sjiem Fat and Lincoln Gomez are on the board of directors of
   Aruba Financial Center Association.

* Gomez is in charge of litigation, corporate Finance and Telcom for AFCA
http://www.afca-aruba.com/news/new_fiscal_framework.html

* Lincoln Gomez is on the board of directors for Charles Croes cell phone company.

* The Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs is Nilo Swaen

* Antonio Carlos is part of the Sjiem Fat law firm and Joran's attorney

* Board of Supervisory Directors for the Centrale Bank van Aruba is:
Mr. A.J. Swaen (Chairman and Government Supervisory Director)
http://www.cbaruba.org/cba/getPage.do?page=ABOUT_US_ORG_CHART

* Andin C.G. Bikker, President of the Aruba Financial Center Association. Partner @ Gomez & Bikker Law Offices, in charge of Litigation, Corporate Finance & Telecom.
http://www.afca-aruba.com/news/new_fiscal_framework.html


Ari Swaen is Paulus's lawyer
ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.J. SWAEN N.V.
Venezuelastraat 17
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5825844
Fax: (297) 5822013

Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs is

Nilo Swaen
Tel: (297) 582-3237
Fax:(297) 582-7116
http://www.atiaruba.org/text/business/information/information.htm

He is the Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs   Nilo SWAEN
http://www.exxun.com/Aruba/j_cf.html

Nilo Swaen is a member of OCTA(Overseas Countries and Territories ASsociation)


Aruba’s relationship with Curaçao, the Netherlands and the USA
   
Johan Paul Sjiem Fat, Sjiem Fat & Sjiem Fat, Aruba
Exploring the relationships which exist between Aruba and Curaçao, the Netherlands and the USA, Johan Paul Sjiem Fat considers the impact of these three countries on the tax regime operating in Aruba.
http://www.offshoreinvestment.com/magazine/issue?id=87

Lincoln Gomez is the President of the Board of Directors for Aruba Financial Center Association along with the law firm that represents JORAN

Lincoln Gomez went to St. Leo – same college Joran was supposed to attend.

Lincoln Gomez
Mr. Gomez is a graduate of Saint Leo College, FL (Bachelor of Science in Biology/Chemistry) and University of Aruba (LL.M.). Along with Andin Bikker he co-founded Gomez & Bikker law offices and New Millenium Telecom Services N.V. in Aruba.
Lincoln D Gomez is a graduate of Saint Leo College, Saint Leo, Florida, U.S.A. (B.Sc. Biology/Chemistry) and Universiteit van Aruba as juris doctor in Aruba law with a concentration in corporate law.

Mr. Gomez has acted as an aid to the Minister of Public Works[/u in Aruba in charge with the development of infrastructure and urban planning. He has also acted as assistant general-counsel for the Ministry of Justice and the Permanent Secretary to the Council of Ministers of Aruba.

He left that office to join private practice of aw, by associating himself with the law offices of Zielinski, Gonzalez and Gibbs, who at that time was outside counsel to the Ministry of Justice. He is admitted to the bar in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. In February 2002 he founded the law offices of Gomez & Bikker, with Andin C.G. Bikker. With principal offices in Aruba, Gomez & Bikker's offers a complete range of legal services including litigation and alternative dispute resolution in the areas of: international trade, corporate business, hospitality, real estate, maritime, aviation, tax, intellectual property and telecommunications law.

He is a member and officer in a number of professional organizations, which include: TerraLex, Inter-American Bar Association, Aruba Bar Association, Aruba Financial Center Association and a past member of the board of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of Aruba. Lincoln has authored a number of publications on Aruba civil, corporate, fiscal and labor laws and has lectured business law at the Brown University in Aruba.

Mr. Gomez is (was) a director and shareholder of numerous companies including: ZGB Trust Services Aruba N.V., Golden Rainmaker Telecom Services N.V., Aruba E-Trade Center N.V., Conexxions Airlines N.V. and Tony Roma’s Partners (Aruba).[/b]

For more information on Digicel and its other operations across the Caribbean visit www.digicelgroup.com.
Digicel Aruba
Address: Marisol Building, L.G. Smith Boulevard 60, Oranjestad
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 662
Phone: (297) 522-2200
Fax: (297) 522-2223

Contact:
Jill Wallis
Cohn & Wolfe
Digicel
+1 (212) 798-9837 (New York)

CEO of Digicel Group is Colm Delves

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2453.msg319241#msg319241

« Reply #864 on: December 20, 2007, 10:10:35 AM »
Nut
But they have different initials....??
Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs--Nilo J.J. Swaen
http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=nieuws

Paulus's lawyer= A. J. Swaen
http://arubayp.com/classpage/1/2/3/4/mcid-168/yellowsearch.html

Anna
You are correct.  They are brothers, needed more coffee, sorry.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 08:26:53 AM



Kermit…Help please!  Which Solognier is this? Please?

http://www.octassociation.org/forum_2007/allocutions-
Mr Nilo Swaen 
Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs
297- 5880269
297-5880347
viveca.solognier@aruba.gov.aw


From a letter by Carlos Severino Tromp ::MonkeyWink::

This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 09:06:11 AM
Armin Solognier and Cedric (Ricky) Kock “Leon di Oro” for 2007   
Thursday, 17 January 2008 

PALM BEACH – Last Friday the Noord Branch of the Caribbean Mercantile Bank held the traditional event to start the New Year with the “Fresh Start.” The event commemorates 2 employees with the “Leon di Oro” (the Golden Lion) for their outstanding work in the previous year.
The Noord Branch was filled with 262 employees to whom the achievements and the results of 2007 were presented confirming that the year was a record year surpassing all the records of the previous years 
 Also presented during the event were the vision and focus of the bank for this current year and beyond.
The management of the Caribbean Mercantile Bank, Bill Carson, Roberto Dijkhoff and Javier Wolter mentioned how proud they were of the results and their staff especially focussing on the consistency, efficiency and effectiveness of all the employees.
The growth of the bank was once again formidable in 2007 confirming their position as the leading bank in the Aruban community.
This year two ‘Lions’ were nominated for the highest recognition in the bank; Armin Solognier for his involvement in charitable work and his production of marketing campaigns for the bank and Cedric (Ricky) Kock who is in charge of the coordination of the ATM machines breaking records for ‘reliability & performance.’
Ricky is also actively involved with music promoting the folkloric and cultural aspects of Aruba with his group “Ola Tropical” as well as with his New Years Dande Band.
The party at the Noord Branch was pleasantly surprised when Franklin Granadillo, the composer of the latest CMB Jingle “Biba Mihor” (live better), when he gave a life performance of the jingle on his trumpet.
The management of the CMB congratulates the winners Armin and Ricky with their recognition of the 2007 “Leon di Oro.”
 
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=1


LIONS!!!!!!....Gold Bricks?

And I think I found Melody's Dad!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 01, 2008, 09:58:56 AM
Mum
Glad you posted this stuff.  I have a hard time keeping it together in my emails. LOL  You know my fave part is the Simian verse that relates to the banks...that is a good catch there and makes a lot of sense.  The island's lifeline is money as it is with any place.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 09:59:00 AM
Sorry to bother everyone...but does anyone remember on Armin's myspace site where he has a friend that spells his last name as Croeze?  He is also there playing with a band and on his site somewhere...he calls Armin  "cuz".  That would fit into the obit I saw posted earlier.  I can't find the link to that myspace right now...sorry.




Lala’s…I have to go…I think these dots all connect…be back in the morning!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.740


« Reply #754 on: April 23, 2008, 11:19:56
Translate:

URATACA CENTER

In the name of its Manager Duque Croeze and his family,
would like to send our sincere condelence to the Famaly and friends of

Sr. ARMINDO Solognier

That Armindo rest in peace and a lot of strengt to Rina, Armin, Indira and Nizana.

Also we like to anounce that Urataka Center is closed on Tuesday, October 9, 2007

http://www.cmbnv.com/management.php


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Solognier-Croeze


Caribbean Mercantile Bank N.V.
Assistant Managing Director, C. Solognier-Croeze Assistant Managing Director. A.R. Laclé Assistant to the Managing Director, F.A. Quant ...www.cmbnv.com/management.php - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
[PDF]
CMB Annual Report 2003
File Format: PDF/Adobe AcrobatC. Solognier-Croeze. Assistant to the Managing Director. A.R. Laclé. Assistant to the Managing Director. C M B. I S. F I R S T. F O R. C O M M U N I T Y ...www.cmbnv.com/pics/arg/2003/CMBAnnRep2003.pdf - Similar pagesMore results from www.cmbnv.com »
[PDF]
19-05-2007 Body 2b.indd
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTMLMay 19, 2007 ... Armindo & Rina Solognier-Croeze. Arminda & Alwin Nectar-Solognier. Muller & Yolanda Solognier-Rojas. Filomena Solognier ...solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82 - Similar pages
[XLS]
Sheet1
File Format: Microsoft Excel - View as HTML764, SOLOGNIER-CROEZE, CATALINA. 765, SOLOMON-CHRISTIAANS, INGRID ELIZABETH. 766, SOMMER-REDHEAD, JOSELENE MICHELA. 767, SOTO SOTO-VAN KESSEL ...www.arubachamber.com/WebsiteGR-2007JUL27.XLS - Similar pages
[XLS]
LANDSCOURANT GROOT
File Format: Microsoft Excel - View as HTML777, SOLOGNIER-CROEZE, CATALINA. 778, SOMMER, RENE PIO. 779, SOMMER-REDHEAD, JOSELENE MICHELA. 780, SOTO SOTO-VAN KESSEL, MICHELLE HILDE LOUISE ...www.arubachamber.com/LANDSCOURANT%20GROOT-2006-2007.XLS - Similar pages

Connections at this obit….page 46 –Mechy Croes – Order of the Orange Nassau…


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19-05-2007 Body 2b.indd
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTMLMay 19, 2007 ... Luisa Brattinga-Solognier. Fabia Romero-Solognier. Marina Odor-Solognier. Rufo & Mary Solognier-Croes. Armindo & Rina Solognier-Croeze ...solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82 -

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=82

« Reply #554 on: April 22, 2008, 12:33:47 PM »vms    Quote
 
I guess he knew Jossy?


http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=104


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 10:02:01 AM
Darn!   And I was on a roll! Have a great day!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on June 01, 2008, 10:04:19 AM
interesting: see Alejandro Martinez - http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CHANDRALEVY.html

Clintons & interns:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on June 01, 2008, 10:07:10 AM
As I recall, Here is something that was discussed on RWV very early --back in 2005 when Shango made his/her debut -- :

Could Jossy be Dirty Hand?

Seeing as though, as other posters are now revealing nearly three years later, the Mansur family owns over half the island, is a member of the opposition party, and still has substantial interests in the free trade zone thing (where cigarettes are openly smuggled in and out of Aruba)...

Just a jolt of my memory banks from three years ago ...




Silverfox – I am not sure if Jossy is a friend, Dirty Hand or possibly even Shango? I have done a lot of research on Jossy and the Mansur family and their businesses, both in the US and overseas going back to 1993.

Jossy and his immediate family have direct ties to Doral and Miami, Florida. The Mansur family has ties to Florida and Maracaibo, Venezuela. (Remember Freddy Zedan – Maracaibo Venezuela).

Coincidence – when I was checking the Mansur’ businesses on the Chamber Registry a few weeks ago, it went down!

All I have right now is a lot more dots!!

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1023_n.php


That past was controlled by the Arubanese Volks Partij (AVP) within which Jossy Mansur, editor of the Dairio newspaper and spokesperson for the Venezuelan-origin Mansur family, is the godfather. Many members of the Mansur family (Lebanese ancestry) maintain their Venezuelan passports. Conveniently, the Mansurs maintain economic activities in Puento Fijo, Coro, Caracas and Maracaibo Venezuela. These economic activities, despite their monopoly on many tradable commodities, center on the more clandestine forms of money laundering and drug trafficking. Exchanges between Aruba and Venezuela occur routinely with the use of fastboats, owned by the Mansur family.


The Simian:

"We are worried when people say that they won’t come, because wherever I am I always invite people to my island. It is the best advertisement.

I do have to let all of you know that bookings are up (YTD) and it is actually low-season at the moment. Which is what explains the students getting their vacation packages at US$ 1500."

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:52 am
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.



MONEY! FINANCE! BANKS!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


I believe that by using the term umbilical he rerers to the way he makes his living.......what feeds him......with tourism "all are well fed (Shango)


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on June 01, 2008, 10:07:41 AM
more specifically touri$m


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on June 01, 2008, 01:23:10 PM
Colombo very interesting. I must say that I never believed that Carlos Ledher was actually dead. IIRC he was educated at MIT and was imprisoned in the Michigan area. He may have also been born in the US and moved back to Colombia and helped form the Medellin cartel. Also, IIRC he was killed in a plane wreck during a prison transfer, but I'll need to double check all of that.

Carlos Lehder

AKA Carlos Enrique Lehder Rivas

Born: 1950
Birthplace: Colombia

Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: Hispanic
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Criminal

Nationality: Colombia
Executive summary: Co-Founder, Medellin Cartel

    Car Theft convicted
    Drug Possession: Marijuana Florida (Sep-1973), convicted
    Deported from the United States to Colombia (1975)
    Extradited to the United States (1987)
    Racketeering
    Drug Trafficking convicted (19-May-1988)
    Drug Possession: Cocaine convicted (19-May-1988)
    Medellin Cartel
    Colombian Ancestry Maternal
    German Ancestry Paternal
    Risk Factors: Cocaine, Marijuana

http://www.nndb.com/people/540/000160060/

++++++++++++++

Official Cuban documents: fugitive U.S. financier Robert Vesco dead

The Associated Press

Tuesday, May 6th 2008, 4:00 AM

HAVANA — Robert Vesco, the American fugitive who cooked up moneymaking schemes that allegedly involved everyone from Colombian drug lords to the families of U.S. presidents, died in Cuba and was buried almost six months ago, according to an official document.

A burial record at Havana's Colon Cemetery shows that a man with the same name and birthdate — Dec. 4, 1935 — died on Nov. 23 from lung cancer and was buried the next day in a private plot. He was 72.

In his lifetime, Vesco was accused of looting millions from a Swiss mutual fund, attempting to find U.S. planes for Libya and inventing a drug that he claimed could cure AIDS.

He was linked to Latin American presidents, Soviet spies, smugglers of high-technology equipment — even the CIA.

And he was good at hiding.

Writer Arthur Herzog, who once interviewed Vesco in Cuba for a biography, called him "a master of disguises," noting the infamous con man had long employed elaborate schemes to escape justice.

"I don't know for sure, but I'm not certain he's dead," Herzog said from his home in New York. He said he recently spoke with a contact in Havana who indicated he had talked with Vesco in recent weeks.

Vesco was so crafty, a DNA test on the buried corpse would be necessary to know for certain it was him, Herzog said.

U.S. officials in Cuba said Monday they were unaware of Vesco's death.

Vesco evaded American justice during a quarter-century odyssey through the Caribbean and Central America after fleeing the U.S. in 1972.

It was Cuban courts that finally put him in prison in 1996, convicting him of marketing a drug, which he claimed could cure cancer and AIDS, without government permission.

His business partner Donald A. Nixon Jr., the nephew of former President Richard Nixon — was detained along with Vesco, but was later released.

Vesco ended up serving most of his 13-year sentence, though it was not clear when he was released.

Vesco is still wanted in the United States on charges of looting $224 million from a investors in a Swiss-based mutual stock fund.

He also was indicted for allegedly contributing $200,000  to Nixon's 1972 campaign to try to head off a probe by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Two Nixon Cabinet members were later tried and acquitted.

Vesco renounced his American citizenship and traveled around the Caribbean and Central America in a yacht and various private planes — including a custom Boeing 707 equipped with a sauna.

He settled in Costa Rica, but was kicked out after a new president took office there in 1978.


http://www.nydailynews.com/latino/2008/05/06/2008-05-06_official_cuban_documents_fugitive_us_fin.html

++++++++++++

was Cuba the only place where the CIA and internal ops could not get to Vesco?

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thirty years of america's drug war: a chronology

Late 1960s Recreational drug use rises in U.S.

In late 1960s recreational drug use becomes fashionable among young, white, middle class Americans. The social stigmatization previously associated with drugs lessens as their use becomes more mainstream. Drug use becomes representative of protest and social rebellion in the era's atmosphere of political unrest.

1968 Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs is founded.

The Johnson administration consolidates several drug agencies into the Justice Dept.'s Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD). The move is intended to diminish turf wars between the various agencies, but tensions between the BNDD and Customs continue.

1969 Study links crime and heroin addiction.

Psychiatrist Dr. Robert DuPont conducts urinalysis of everyone entering the D.C. jail system in August of 1969. He finds 44% test positive for heroin. DuPont convinces the city's Mayor Walter Washington to allow him to provide methadone to heroin addicts.

1969 (Sept. 21)   Operation Intercept essentially closes the Mexican border.

In an attempt to reduce marijuana smuggling from Mexico, the Customs Dept., under Commissioner Myles Ambrose, subjects every vehicle crossing the Mexican border to a three-minute inspection. The operation lasts two weeks and wreaks economic havoc on both sides of the border. Mexico agrees to more aggressively attack marijuana trade, but the operation didn't seriously impact the flow of marijuana into U.S.

1970 NORML is founded.

The National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) is founded by Keith Stroup. The group lobbies for decriminalization of marijuana.

1970 Narcotics Treatment Administration is founded.

The Nixon administration provides funds to allow Dr. Robert DuPont to expand his methadone program in Washington D.C. The program is controversial because some believe methadone to be nothing more than a substitute for heroin, and others feel there are racial undertones behind the effort. However, one year after the program begins, burglaries in D.C. decrease by 41%.

1970 (October 27) Congress passes the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act This law consolidates previous drug laws and reduces penalties for marijuana possession. It also strengthens law enforcement by allowing police to conduct "no-knock" searches. This act includes the Controlled Substances Act, which establishes five categories ("schedules") for regulating drugs based on their medicinal value and potential for addiction.

1971 (May) Soldiers in Vietnam develop heroin addiction. Congressmen Robert Steele (R-CT) and Morgan Murphy (D-IL) release an explosive report on the growing heroin epidemic among U.S. servicemen in Vietnam.

1971 (June 17) Nixon declares war on drugs.

At a press conference Nixon names drug abuse as "public enemy number one in the United States." He announces the creation of the Special Action Office for Drug Abuse Prevention (SAODAP), to be headed by Dr. Jerome Jaffe, a leading methadone treatment specialist. During the Nixon era, for the only time in the history of the war on drugs, the majority of funding goes towards treatment, rather than law enforcement.

1971 (September) Operation Golden Flow goes into effect in order to attack habits of U.S. servicemen.

In June 1971, the U.S. military announces they will begin urinalysis of all returning servicemen. The program goes into effect in September and the results are favorable: only 4.5% of the soldiers test positive for heroin.

1972 (January)   The Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement is founded.

The Nixon Administration creates the Office of Drug Abuse Law Enforcement (ODALE) to establish joint federal/local task forces to fight the drug trade at the street level. Myles Ambrose is appointed director.

1972 The French Connection is broken up.

U.S. and French law enforcement initiate a series of successful busts of the "French Connection," a Marseilles-based heroin industry controlled by Corsican gangsters and the U.S. Mafia. The results are soon evident in a heroin shortage on the U.S. East Coast.

1973 (July)   The Drug Enforcement Administration is established.

President Nixon sets up this "super agency" to handle all aspects of the drug problem. The DEA consolidates agents from the BNDD, Customs, the CIA and ODALE. The administrator of the new agency is John R. Bartels.

1974 (August 9) President Nixon resigns.

The new Ford administration is preoccupied with inflation, jobs and an energy crisis. The DEA remains the legacy of Nixon's war on drugs.

1975 (September) Ford administration releases White Paper on Drug Abuse.

The Domestic Council Drug Abuse Task Force releases a report that recommends that "priority in Federal efforts in both supply and demand reduction be directed toward those drugs which inherently pose a greater risk to the individual and to society." The White Paper names marijuana a "low priority drug" in contrast to heroin, amphetamines and mixed barbiturates.

1975 (November 22) Large cocaine seizure indicates significant growth of cocaine trade.

Colombian police seize 600 kilos of cocaine from a small plane at the Cali airport--the largest cocaine seizure to date. In response, drug traffickers begin a vendetta--"Medellin Massacre." 40 people die in Medellin on one weekend. This event signals the new power of Colombia's cocaine industry, headquartered in Medellin.

1976 Carter campaigns on the decriminalization of marijuana.

Noting that several states had already decriminalized marijuana, Jimmy Carter campaigns in favor of relinquishing federal criminal penalties for possession of up to one ounce of marijuana. Carter's drug czar, Dr. Peter Bourne does not view marijuana, or even cocaine, as a serious public health threat.

1976 (August) Anti-drug parents' movement begins.

Troubled by the presence of marijuana at her 13-year old daughter's birthday party, Keith Schuchard and her neighbor Sue Rusche form Families in Action, the first parents' organization designed to fight teenage drug abuse. Schuchard writes a letter to Dr. Robert DuPont, then head of the National Institute of Drug Abuse, which leads DuPont to abandon his support for decriminalization.

1977 Media glamorizes cocaine use.

A May 30, 1977 Newsweek story on cocaine is later accused to have glamorized the drug's affects and underestimated its dangers. The story reports that "Among hostesses in the smart sets of Los Angeles and New York, a little cocaine, like Dom Perignon and Beluga caviar, is now de rigueur at dinners. Some partygivers pass it around along with the canapes on silver trays... the user experiences a feeling of potency, of confidence, of energy."

1978 Asset forfeiture introduced

The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act is amended. It now allows law enforcement to seize all money and/or "other things of value furnished or intended to be furnished by any person in exchange for a controlled substance [and] all proceeds traceable to such an exchange."

1979   Carlos Lehder purchases property on Norman's Cay.

Carlos Lehder, a key member of the alliance that would become the Medellin cartel, revolutionizes the cocaine trade with his purchase of 165 acres on the Bahamian island of Norman's Cay. Lehder is the first to use small planes for transporting the drug. He uses the island as a hub for planes to refuel between Colombia and the U.S.


Drug traffickers George Jung and Carlos Toro describe life on Norman's Cay.

1979 (July 11)   Cocaine trade becomes increasingly violent.

deadly shootout between Colombian traffickers in broad daylight at Miami's Dadeland Mall brings the savagery of the Colombian cocaine lords to the attention of U.S. law enforcement.

1981-1982 Rise of the Medellin cartel.

The alliance between the Ochoa family, Pablo Escobar, Carlos Lehder and Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha strengthens into what will become known as the "Medellin Cartel." The traffickers cooperate in the manufacturing, distribution and marketing of their cocaine. The kidnapping of Marta Ochoa by Colombian guerrillas consolidates the alliance. The traffickers form a group named MAS, a Spanish acronym for "Death to Kidnappers," announcing the imminent execution of any guerrilla kidnappers. Marta Ochoa is released without harm several months later.

1981 U.S.-Colombia extradition treaty ratified.

The U.S. and Colombia ratify a bilateral extradition treaty, which they had previously approved in 1979. When Reagan assumes office and prioritizes the war on drugs, extradition becomes the greatest fear of the Colombian traffickers.

1982 Downfall of Norman's Cay.

In response to U.S. pressure, the Bahamian government begins to crack down on Carlos Lehder's operation on Norman's Cay. Lehder moves his residence from the island in 1982, but operations continue for another year.
1982      Deal between Escobar and Noriega allows cocaine transport through Panama.

Panamanian General Manuel Noriega and Pablo Escobar cut a deal which allows Escobar to ship cocaine through Panama for $100,000 per load. The two had met in 1981 when Noriega mediated negotiations for the release of Marta Ochoa.

1982 (January 28) South Florida Drug Task Force is formed.

Outraged by the drug trade's increasing violence in their city, Miami citizens lobby the federal government for help. Reagan responds by creating a cabinet-level task force, the Vice President's Task Force on South Florida. Headed by George Bush, it combines agents from the DEA, Customs, FBI, ATF, IRS, Army and Navy to mobilize against drug traffickers. Reagan later create s several other regional task forces throughout the U.S.

1982 (March)   Pablo Escobar is elected to the Colombian Congress.

Escobar cultivates an image of "Robin Hood" by building low-income housing, handing out money in Medellin slums and appearing throughout the city accompanied by Catholic priests. Escobar is elected an alternate representative from Envigado, but he's driven out of Congress in 1983 by Colombia's crusading Minister of Justice, Rodrigo Lara Bonilla.

1982 (March 9) Largest cocaine seizure ever raises U.S. awareness of Medellin cartel.

The seizure of 3,906 pounds of cocaine, valued at over $100 million wholesale, from a Miami International Airport hangar permanently alters U.S. law enforcement's approach towards the drug trade. They realize Colombian traffickers must be working together because no single trafficker could be behind a shipment this large.

1984 Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" Movement begins.

Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" anti-drug campaign becomes a centerpiece of the Reagan administration's anti-drug campaign. The movement focuses on white, middle class children and is funded by corporate and private donations.

1984 (March 10) Tranquilandia bust.

By tracking the illegal sale of massive amounts of ether to Colombia, the DEA and Colombian police discover Tranquilandia, a laboratory operation deep in the Colombian jungle. In the subsequent bust, law enforcement officials destroy 14 laboratory complexes, which contains 13.8 metric tons of cocaine, 7 airplanes, and 11,800 drums of chemicals, conservatively estimated at $1.2 billion. This bust confirms the consolidation of the Medellin cartel's manufacturing operation.

Retired DEA agent Bill Alden, Jorge Ochoa and Juan David Ochoa describe the effects of the Tranquilandia bust.


1984 (April 30) Assassination of the Colombian attorney general fuels the extradition controversy.

Colombian Minister of Justice Rodrigo Lara Bonilla, who had crusaded against the Medellin cartel, is assassinated by a gang of motorcycle thugs. President Belisario Betancur who opposed extradiction, announces "We will extradite Colombians." Carlos Lehder is the first to be put on the list. The crackdown forces the Ochoas, Escobar and Rodriguez Gacha to flee to Panama for several months. A few months later, Escobar is indicted for Lara Bonilla's murder and names the Ochoas and Rodriguez Gacha as material witnesses.

Jorge and Juan David Ochoa speak about Lara Bonilla's assassination and the resulting controversy over extradition.

1984 (July 17)   The Drug War and Cold War collide.

The Washington Times runs a story which details DEA informant Barry Seal's successful infiltration into the Medellin cartel's operations in Panama. The story was leaked by Oliver North show the Nicaraguan Sandanistas' involvement in the drug trade. Ten days later, Carlos Lehder, Pablo Escobar, Jorge Ochoa and Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha are indicted by a Miami federal grand jury based on evidence obtained by Seal. In february 1986, Seal is assassinated in Baton Rouge by gunmen hired by the cartel.[/b]

Read the interview with Fernando Arenas, a pilot for Carlos Lehder, who claims the Ochoas had Barry Seal killed.

1984 (Fall) Cartel returns to Medellin.

Escobar, Gacha, Juan David and Fabio Ochoa are all spotted in Medellin, signaling the end of the government crackdown. The cartel begins to regain its command over the city.

1984 (November 6) "Bust of the Century" in Mexico.

The DEA and Mexican officials raid a large marijuana cultivation and processing complex in the Chihuahua desert owned by kingpin Rafael Caro Quintero. 7000 campesinos work at the complex, where between 5000-10,000 tons of high-grade marijuana worth $2.5 billion is found and destroyed. Time magazine calls this "the bust of the century" and it reveals the existence of Mexico's sophisticated marijuana smuggling industry.

1984 (November 15) Jorge Ochoa is arrested in Spain.

Spanish police arrest Jorge Ochoa on a U.S. warrant and both the U.S. and Colombia apply for his extradition. The Medellin cartel publicly threatens to murder 5 Americans for every Colombian extradition. The Spanish courts ultimately rule in favor of Colombia's request and Ochoa is deported. He serves a month in jail on charges of bull-smuggling before he is parolled.

1985 (January 5) Colombia extradites first traffickers to the U.S.

Colombia extradites four drug traffickers to Miami. Within days, the U.S. becomes aware of a Medellin cartel "hit list" which includes embassy members, their families, U.S. businessmen and journalists.

mid 1980s Cocaine transport routes move into Mexico.

Because of the South Florida Drug Task Force's successful crackdown on drugs traffickers turn to Mexican marijuana smugglers to move cocaine across the 2000 mile U.S.-Mexican border. By the mid-1980s it becomes the major transportation route for cocaine into the U.S.

1985 (February) DEA agent Enrique Camerena is kidnapped and murdered in Mexico.

Camarena's disappearance spotlights the pervasive drug corruption in Mexican law enforcement. The Mexicans' lack of cooperation leads Commissioner of Customs William Von Raab to order a six-day Operation Intercept-style crackdown on the Mexican border. Camarena's body is found within a week of the border closing, but evidence of a coverup by Mexican officials is clear.

Former DEA Administrator Jack Lawn speaks about the Camarena affair.

1985 (July 23) Colombian Superior Court Judge is assassinated.

Bogota Superior Court Judge Tulio Manuel Castro Gil, who had indicted Escobar for the murder of Lara Bonilla, is assassinated as he climbs into a taxi. Throughout 1985 judicial harassment and intimidation becomes commonplace in Colombia.

1985 (November 6) Attack on Colombian Supreme Court.

Upping the ante in the battle against extradition, guerillas linked to the Medellin cartel attack the Colombian Palace of Justice. At least 95 people are killed in the 26-hour siege, including 11 Supreme Court justices. Many court documents, including all pending extradition requests, are destroyed by fire.

1985 Crack explodes in New York

Crack, a potent form of smokeable cocaine developed in the early 1980s, begins to flourish in the New York region. A November 1985 New York Times cover story brings the drug to national attention. Crack is cheap and powerfully addictive and it devastates inner city neighborhoods.

Former DEA Agent Bob Stutman and former dealer "Paul" detail the impact of crack on New York.

1986 (June 19)   Death of Len Bias.

The death of promising college basketball star Len Bias from a cocaine overdose stuns the nation. Ensuing media reports highlight the health risks of cocaine; drugs become a hot political issue.

1986 (October 27) Reagan signs The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986.

Reagan signs an enormous omnibus drug bill, which appropriates $1.7 billion to fight the drug crisis. $97 million is allocated to build new prisons, $200 million for drug education and $241 million for treatment. The bill's most consequential action is the creation of mandatory minimum penalties for drug offenses. Possession of at least one kilogram of heroin or five kilograms of cocaine is punishable by at least ten years in prison. In response to the crack epidemic, the sale of five grams of the drug leads to a mandatory five-year sentence. Mandatory minimums become increasingly criticized over the years for promoting significant racial disparities in the prison population, because of the differences in sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine.

b]1986 (November 18) U.S. indicts the Medellin cartel leaders.[/b]

A U.S. federal grand jury in Miami releases the indictment of the Ochoas, Pablo Escobar, Carlos Lehder and Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha under the RICO statute. The indictment names the Medellin cartel as the largest cocaine smuggling organization in the world.

1986 (December 17) Murder of newspaperman outrages Colombian press.

Guillermo Cano Isaza, editor-in-chief of El Espectador is assassinated while driving home from work. Cano frequently wrote in favor of stiffer penalties for drug traffickers. His murder leads to a national outrage comparable to the assassination of Lara Bonilla, and a subsequent government crackdown on traffickers.

1987 (February 3) Carlos Lehder is captured and extradited.

Carlos Lehder is captured by the Colombian National Police at a safe house owned by Pablo Escobar in the mountains outside of Medellin. He is extradited to the U.S. the next day. On May 19, 1988 Lehder is convicted of drug smuggling and sentenced to life in prison without parole, plus an additional 135 years.

1987 (June 25)   Colombia annuls extradition treaty.

On May 28, the Colombian Supreme Court, having endured a barrage of personal threats from the traffickers, rules by a vote of 13-12 to annul the extradition treaty with the US.

1987 (November 21) Jorge Ochoa is arrested in Colombia.

Ochoa is held in prison on the bull-smuggling charge for which he was extradited from Spain. Twenty-four hours later a gang of thugs arrive at the house of Juan Gomez Martinez, the editor of Medellin's daily newspaper El Colombiano. They present Martinez with a communique signed by "The Extraditables," which threatens execution of Colombian political leaders if Ochoa is extradited. On December 30, Ochoa is released under dubious legal circumstances. In January 1988, the murder of Colombian Attorney General Carlos Mauro Hoyos is claimed by the Extraditables.

1988 Carlos Salinas de Gortari is elected president of Mexico.

At a 1988 meeting, President-elect Bush tells President-elect Salinas he must prove to the U.S. Congress that he is cooperating in the drug war--a process called certification. The U.S. pressures Mexico to arrest Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo, the drug lord believed to have been responsible for the murder of DEA Agent Enrique Camarena.

1988 (February 5) Noriega indicted in U.S.

A federal grand jury in Miami issues an indictment against Panamanian General Manuel Noriega for drug trafficking. Noriega had allowed the Medellin cartel to launder money and build cocaine laboratories in Panama.

Fernando Arenas, one of Carlos Lehder's pilots, describes Noriega's involvement with the cartel.

1989 (Winter) Office of National Drug Control Policy is created. (my note - policy wonks??? this looks like where it got all screwed up.)

President Bush appoints William Bennett to lead the new Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP). As drug 'czar' he campaigns to make drug abuse socially unacceptable, an approach he calls denormalization. Federal spending on treatment and law enforcement increase under Bennett's tenure, but treatment remains less than 1/3 of the total budget.

1988 (July 2) Murder of Mexican presidential election monitors.

On the eve of the Mexican presidential election between Carlos Salinas and Cuahtemoc Cardenas, two key Cardenas aides are found shot to death in Mexico City. The two had been responsible for ensuring that the elections would be clean and fair. It is widely believed that Cardenas actually won the election and that vote fraud by the PRI was responsible for Salinas' election.

1989 (April 8) Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo is arrested in Mexico.

Guillermo Gonzalez Calderoni leads a team of federal agents who arrest the drug lord in a residential suburb of Guadalajara. Gallardo is imprisoned on charges relating to Enrique Camarena's kidnapping and murder. His nephews, the Arellano-Felix brothers inherit part of his drug-trafficking empire.

1989(April 14) Kerry releases congressional report on Contra-drug connection.

A congressional subcommittee on Narcotics, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy, chaired by Senator John Kerry (D-MA), finds that U.S. efforts to combat drug trafficking were undermined by the Reagan administration's fear of jeopardizing its objectives in the Nicaraguan civil war. The report concludes that the administration ignored evidence of drug trafficking by the Contras and continued to provide them with aid.
my note - I have found pictures of Sen. John Kerry windsurfing on Aruba and have posted them in the forum.

1989 (August 18) Assassination of Colombian presidential candidate.

Luis Carlos Galan, a presidential candidate who spoke in favor of extradition, is assassinated at a campaign rally near Bogota. That evening, President Virgilio Barco Vargas issues an emergency decree reestablishing the policy of extradition. In response, the'Extraditables' declare all-out war against the Colombian government, and begin bombing/murder campaign that would last until January 1991.

1989 (December 15) Medellin cartel leader is killed.

Jose Gonzalo Rodriguez Gacha is killed by Colombian police in a raid on his ranch in Tolu.


1989 (December 20) U.S. invades Panama

For 22 days, General Manuel Noriega eludes capture by the U.S. Military. After seeking asylum in the Vatican embassy he eventually [/b]surrenders to the DEA on January 3, 1990 in Panama and is brought to Miami[/b] the next day. On July 10, 1992 Noriega is convicted on eight counts of drug rafficking, money laundering and racketeering, and sentenced to 40 years in federal prison.

1990 (January 25) Bush proposes 50% increase in military spending on war on drugs.

President Bush proposes to add an additional $1.2 billion to the budget for the war on drugs, including a 50% increase in military spending.

1990 (September) Ochoa brothers surrender.

Colombian President Cesar Gaviria Trujillo offers the traffickers reduced prison sentences to be served in Colombia, in order to entice them to surrender. All three Ochoa brothers surrender to the Colombian police by January 1991.

1991 (June 19)   New Colombian Constitution bans extradition and Escobar surrenders.

In a secret vote, the Colombian assembly votes 51-13 to ban extradition in a new Constitution, to take effect July 5. The same day Pablo Escobar surrenders to Colombian police.

1991 (November) Massacre of Mexican Federal Police.

While attempting to stop an air shipment of Colombian cocaine, Mexican Federal Police are killed by Mexican army members, in the pay of the traffickers. Embarrassed, President Salinas orders an investigation, which results in the imprisonment of a Mexican General. He is quietly released several months later.

Retired Customs Service Special Agent John Hensley describes the attack on the police and the response by the Mexican government.

1992 Carlos Salinas imposes the first written regulations on DEA officers in Mexico.

The regulations limit the number of agents in Mexico, designate certain cities in which they must live, deny the officers diplomatic immunity, require all information to be turned over to Mexican authorities, and prohibit agents to carry weapons.

1993 (May 24) Cardinal assassinated by the Arellano-Felix Organization.

Cardinal Juan Posadas Ocampo, the archbishop of Guadalajara, is assassinated at the Guadalajara airport by San Diego gang members hired by the Arellano-Felix Organization to kill a rival trafficker.

1993 (November 17) NAFTA is passed and signed into law. color=red]my note - this opens the international drug smuggling superhighway from SA to Canada and all points in between.[/color]

President Clinton signs the North American Free Trade Agreement, which results in an enormous increase in legitimate trade across the U.S.-Mexican border. The volume of trade makes it more difficult for U.S. Customs officials to find narcotics hidden within legitimate goods.
my note - introduced by GHWB but signed into law by WJ Clinton

1993 (December 2) Pablo Escobar killed.

Pablo Escobar is finally hunted down by the Colombian police with the aid of U.S. technology. The technology could recognize Escobar's voice on a cell phone and give police an estimated location of where he is. They find his safe house and kill Escobar as he attempts to flee with one of his bodyguards.

1995 (May) US Sentencing Commission recommends revising mandatory minimums.

The U.S. Sentencing Commission, which administers federal sentencing guidelines, releases a report which notes the racial disparities in cocaine vs. crack sentencing. The commission proposes reducing the discrepancy, but for the first time in history, Congress overrides their recommendation.

1995 (Summer) Top Cali cartel members arrested.

In a series of arrests during the summer of 1995, five leaders of the Cali cartel are captured. The Cali cartel had become the most powerful drug-trafficking organization in Colombia after the dismantling of the Medellin cartel. By September 1996, all of the Cali kingpins are imprisoned.

1996 (February) Clinton names General Barry McCaffrey as drug czar. my note - the least effective of all drug czars - question is why??? - this is also around the era of suitcases stuffed with money to Switzerland

In his State of the Union address, President Clinton nominates Army General Barry McCaffrey, a veteran of Vietnam and Desert Storm, as director of ONDCP. Two days later, the appointment is confirmed by the Senate without debate.

1996   Ochoas released from prison. my note - ???? who allowed this to happen?

Juan David and Jorge Luis Ochoa are released after serving five-year prison sentences for drug trafficking in July. Later, their younger brother Fabio Ochoa is also released.

1997(September 24) Ramon Arellano-Felix indicted.

A federal grand jury in San Diego indicts Ramon Arellano-Felix on charges of drug smuggling. The same day, he is added to the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List.

1998 (May) Operation Casablanca.

Operation Casablanca, the largest money-laundering probe in U.S. history, leads to the indictment of 3 Mexican and 4 Venezuelan banks, and 167 individual arrests. Mexico and Venezuela are furious over the undercover operation, which they consider a threat to their national sovereignty. John Hensley oversaw the operation for the U.S. Customs Service.

1998 (July) U.S. and Mexican Attorneys General sign Brownsville Agreement.

As a result of Mexico's anger about U.S. actions in Operation Casablanca, Attorneys General Janet Reno and Jorge Madrazo Cuellar draft the Brownsville Agreement. Both nations pledge to inform each other about sensitive cross-border law enforcement operations.

Retired Customs Service Special Agent describes the frustration some law enforcement personnel have with the restrictions imposed by the Brownsville Agreement.

1999 (October 13) Fabio Ochoa rearrested in Operation Millennium.

In a series of raids named "Operation Millennium," law enforcement in Mexico, Colombia and Ecuador arrest 31 for drug trafficking, including Fabio Ochoa. Ochoa is indicted in a Ft. Lauderdale court for importing cocaine into the U.S. The U.S. requests his extradition in December 1999.

2000 (May 11) Indictments against Benjamin and Ramon Arellano-Felix are unsealed.

The Arellano-Felix brothers are charged with 10 counts of drug trafficking, conspiracy, money laundering and aiding and abetting violent crimes. The U.S. State Department offers a $2 million reward for information leading to their arrest and conviction.

2000 (August) Clinton delivers $1.3 billion in aid to help Colombia combat drug traffickers.

To assist Colombian President Andres Pastrana's $7.5 billion Plan Colombia, President Clinton delivers $1.3 billion in U.S. aid to fund 60 combat helicopters and training for the Colombian military, among other initiatives.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/cron/

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***Mansur brothers gave 500K to Colombian Presidential candidate Samper.

I'll gather some more info as time permits.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on June 01, 2008, 03:19:42 PM

in some circles during the 60s
burying an umbilical cord or placenta was the "thing" to do
so I've always leaned toward that interpretation

(guess you had to be there, LOL)

A Bonairean sage (it’s not necesswary to name him) once explained to us that there are two ways people can bind themselves to a piece of land. One way, as everybody knows, is to bury the baby’s umbilical cord in the soil where it was born. That is why people who were born on Bonaire always remind you with emphasis that their umbilical cord was buried here. It means that the person who says this is a ‘legitimate’ Bonairean, that is to say, he or she is indigenous to the island, (‘autochthonous’ as they say in Holland; ‘autochtoon’).

Throw the umbilical cord
The other way to become a ‘legítimate’ or autochthonous Bonairean is to throw (down) or sow the umbilical cord.

Now, the word ‘tira’ in Papiamento (= ‘throw’) has at least one dubious connotation. We must presume that the sage did not have the sexual connotation in mind when he was telling us this. He just wanted to explain that there is another way to bury your umbilical cord in Bonairean soil. Instead of physically burying it, you can return to where you were born, collect some soil from where your original cord was buried, come back to Bonaire and scatter it on Bonairean soil, for instance in your back yard. This way you will have thrown (‘tira’) your umbilical cord on Bonairean soil. You can do this either physically or mentally.

Indigenous Bonairean
Many people have already thrown (or sown) their umbilical cord in this way into the Bonairean soil. They have thus become just as ‘legitimate’ as the ones whose umbilical cords was actually buried in Bonairean soil upon their birth.

By the way, we point out that the word ‘legítimate’ is not correct in this context. We cannot say that people who have not buried or thrown their umbilical cord in Bonairean soil are illegitimate.

Everybody is legitimate. The only thing we can say is that there are indigenous people of Bonaire (the ones who have buried or thrown their umbilical cords here on Bonaire), and there are people (certainly ‘legítimate’ also) who like Bonaire, but have no intention to stay.

Throwing one’s umbilical cord means accepting responsibility

Everybody is free to throw his umbilical cord on Bonairean soil, if he or she wishes to do so. But it brings responsibility with it. If you do it, you accept responsibility for the well-being of Bonaire (of course, together with all other Bonaireans).
http://www.arcocarib.com/bonaire/article/bury-or-throw-the-umbilical-cord/

Cultural practices and beliefs
The placenta often plays an important role in various human cultures, with many societies conducting rituals regarding its disposal. In the Western world, the placenta is most often incinerated.

Some cultures bury the placenta for various reasons. The Māori of New Zealand traditionally bury the placenta from a newborn child to emphasize the relationship between humans and the earth (although it is rumored even more will freeze the placenta to be eaten at a later time). Similarly, the Navajo bury the placenta and umbilical cord at a specially-chosen site, particularly if the baby dies during birth. In Cambodia and Costa Rica, burial of the placenta protects and ensures the health of the baby and the mother. If a mother dies in childbirth, the Aymara of Bolivia bury the placenta in a secret place so that the mother's spirit will not return to claim her baby's life.

The placenta is believed by some communities to have power over the lives of the baby or its parents. The Kwakiutl of British Columbia bury girls' placentas to give the girl skill in digging clams, and expose boys' placentas to ravens to encourage future prophetic visions. In Turkey, the proper disposal of the placenta and umbilical cord is believed to promote devoutness in the child later in life. In Ukraine, Transylvania, and Japan, interaction with a disposed placenta is thought to influence the parents' future fertility. The ancient Egyptians believed that the placenta was imbued with magical powers.

Several cultures believe the placenta to be or have been alive, often a relative of the baby. Nepalese think of the placenta as a friend of the baby's; Malaysian Orang Asli regard it as the baby's older sibling. The Ibo of Nigeria consider the placenta the deceased twin of the baby, and conduct full funeral rites for it. Native Hawaiians believe that the placenta is a part of the baby, and traditionally plant it with a tree which can then grow alongside the child.

In some cultures, the placenta is eaten, a practice known as placentophagy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placenta



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 01, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
Finngirl...Thank You for the info...very interesting...and I am sure Sim knew all that...IQ of 149 and all...pop in more often! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on June 01, 2008, 07:43:32 PM
Rob:

Sounds like a couple of "fetid jungle beasts"


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Rob on June 01, 2008, 10:56:29 PM
Rob:

Sounds like a couple of "fetid jungle beasts"

JACKPOT

and I am finding much more.

Ya know Colombo, I never totally and fully trusted GHWB and I still don't. His era and the years directly there after, are some of the most tumultuous in American history where the drug trade is concerned.

all fingers point to keKennebunkport, ME   

remember ole bill???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Casey

Biography

A native of Queens, New York, Casey graduated from Fordham University in 1934 and earned a law degree from St. John's University School of Law in 1937. During World War II, he worked for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) — the predecessor to the CIA — and was awarded the Bronze Star Medal for meritorious achievement. After practicing corporate law in New York, he served in the Nixon Administration as the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission from 1971 to 1973[1]; this position led to his being called as a prosecution witness against former Attorney General John N. Mitchell and former Commerce Secretary Maurice Stans in an influence-peddling case stemming from international financier Robert Vesco's $200,000 contribution to the Nixon reelection campaign.[2]

Casey headed up the successful presidential campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980, and served on the transition team following the election. After Reagan took office, he named Casey to the post of Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.[3] During his tenure at the CIA, Casey played a large part in the shaping of Reagan's foreign policy, particularly its approach to Soviet international activity. Based on a book, The Terror Network, Casey believed that the Soviet Union was the source of most terrorist activity in the world, in spite of C.I.A. analysts providing evidence that this was in fact black propaganda by the CIA itself. Casey obtained a report from a professor that agreed with his view, which convinced Ronald Reagan that there was a threat.[4]

Casey oversaw the re-expansion of the Intelligence Community, in particular the CIA, to funding and human resource levels greater than those before resource cuts during the Carter Administration. During his tenure restrictions were lifted on the use of the CIA to directly, covertly influence the internal and foreign affairs of countries relevant to American policy.

This period of the Cold War saw an increase of the Agency's anti-Soviet activities around the world.

Notably he oversaw covert assistance to the mujahadeen resistance in Afghanistan, with a budget of over $1 billion by working closely with Akhtar Abdur Rahman (the Director General of ISI of Pakistan), the Solidarity movement in Poland, and a number of coups and attempted coups in South- and Central America.

According to a 600-page report by the CIA inspector general, Frederick Hitz, the CIA under Casey was complicit in the Contras' massive narco-trafficking operation which resulted in the crack epidemic.[5]

Casey was also the principal architect of the arms-for-hostages deal that became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

Hours before Casey was scheduled to testify before Congress about his knowledge of Iran-Contra, he was reported to have been rendered incapable of speech, and was later hospitalized. In his 1987 book, Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981-1987, Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, who had interviewed Casey on numerous occasions, said that he had gained entry to Casey's hospital room for a final, four-minute long encounter — a claim that was met with disbelief in many quarters, and adamant denial by Casey's wife, Sofia. According to Woodward, when he asked Casey if he knew about the diversion of funds to the Nicaraguan Contras, "His head jerked up hard. He stared, and finally nodded yes."[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Casey

++++++++++

tell me when you want it to stop.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: CapsLockWizard on June 02, 2008, 01:33:46 AM
Where's Capslock?

Why are we not hearing from him?




Hi every one:

Anyone has access to LexiOne

if you do could you please search for a case with the word Royal House

there is two case.

CAPS



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 02, 2008, 07:36:23 AM
interesting: see Alejandro Martinez - http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CHANDRALEVY.html

Clintons & interns:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts





Thanks COLUMBO - Interesting reading! But as usual I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  LOL

Does this have anything to do with Simian's early posts on Chandra Levy? How does this all fit? TIA...

From reading those links it appears that we are not really thinking outside the box that much in this thread!

Rob...Still have to read all you posted, but thanks! I think I have the gist of it on a quick read!

Rob...question...did you ever find your Luis in Finance? TIA


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 02, 2008, 07:42:14 AM

Google search of Houses of Babylon….

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Houses+of+Babylon

JSTOR: Babylonian Banking-Houses
Babylonian Banking-houses. Boscawen had himself also referred to a text, dated in the fourth year of Esarhaddon, in which one of the contracting parties was ...links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0190-5937(188907)9%3A1%3C27%3ABB%3E2.0.CO%3B2-R - Similar pages

Noah (Vol.1) - Pt.IV, CH.3
Among the Sumerians and Babylonians, banking houses sprang up and became the forerunners of world economics as represented by our international banking ...www.custance.org/Library/Volume1/Part_IV/Chapter3.html - 107k -



Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 02, 2008, 07:51:35 AM
Where's Capslock?

Why are we not hearing from him?




Hi every one:

Anyone has access to LexiOne

if you do could you please search for a case with the word Royal House

there is two case.

CAPS




Caps… I am a little confused, as usual after reading your posts in the main thread. LOL

Royal house as pertaining to the riddles, Mirian’s “orange regal visage”, has always seemed to be referring to The Royal House of Nassau.

Just wondering if your question is totally unrelated to Mirian’s post? TIA

BTW…Nice to see you posting!


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 02, 2008, 08:51:32 AM
Blonde...Good morning! I started a thread in the Important Case Documents section for Pics of ALE. If you have any?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #755 5/31
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2008, 02:12:56 PM
Hi Mum, actually I have not figured out who Luis is and have stopped looking. It will sometimes just pop up when you are not looking - so that's the approach for now.

+++++++++++++++

Colombo and all, I would like your opinions.

I have been tearing through the DOJ and other government agencies and find a lot of info that makes me scratch my head. Most of this is usually related to the war on drugs or the pretend war of drugs and the SA entities..

I can really only come up with a few ideas what is really going on here.

My first thought is the war on drugs is real and the US Federal Government is actively pursing all leads and trying to rid the streets of drugs. In this scenario there are many agencies that have been set up and this alone is costing billions of dollars and then there is the financial aid to the SA countries that claim to need the help. There is also the military hardware end which also costs billions that is just given to the SA countries.

My second thought is this whole thing is a major sham as the documents and info suggest. In this scenario the government pretends to be fighting a war on drugs while actively doing nothing and in many cases is actually facilitating the operations on their own. (i.e. planes, cargo ships and CIA operatives, such as Barry Seal). Also in this scenario, I am finding that the USFG is playing an active role with the very people they claim to be on the hunt for. I notice that at some point the USFG then turns on the suppliers and either kills them or arrests them. I can not help but remember that GHWB was the head of the CIA and when Reagan won the nomination he said Bush would never be his running mate and then the very next day announced that Bush would in fact be his running mate. I have posted about this aspect before. I wonder who got to Reagan and suspect this player is the real power behind these clandestine operations. This player wanted Bush in and as  I have posted, this period becomes the most dangerous in American history where the war on drugs in concerned. I have to wonder if that was the intent or was this a by product. This person may no longer hold that position, but most likely someone does. I also get the feeling that this all goes back to Yale and friendships formed more than 70 years ago. In this scenario the government entities operate with impunity and can not ever be revealed yet alone be identified.

Also in scenario two - there are what I would call middle men or facilitators, such as Robert Vesco. At some point the government then also turns on these guys and tries to kill them. It's hard to now how many "middle men" there really are or how many have been killed as the stated profession is not CIA "middle man". Usually when a major operation is about to be uncovered, the CIA will begin to clean up their baggage and eliminate evidence. In these cases there is no reason to clean up a the operations are secret and even if Cogress got wind of it, there is little they could do without outing the operatives. That's a big no-no. 

This does not have alliance to anyone party such as the Republicans or Democrats. It goes on no matter who is in the White House. This leads me to believe it is career bureaucrats that are the actual power behind the war on drugs. Presidents come and go, the career bureaucrats are there for life.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on June 02, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
interesting: see Alejandro Martinez - http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CHANDRALEVY.html

Clintons & interns:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts





Thanks COLUMBO - Interesting reading! But as usual I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  LOL

Does this have anything to do with Simian's early posts on Chandra Levy? How does this all fit? TIA...

From reading those links it appears that we are not really thinking outside the box that much in this thread!

Rob...Still have to read all you posted, but thanks! I think I have the gist of it on a quick read!

Rob...question...did you ever find your Luis in Finance? TIA


Ding! Ding! Ding!!!!!!!!
Simian mentions Levy, and also says (on Holloway case) "how the black team was unaware is beyond me......" (translation: black team had to be aware)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #755 5/31
Post by: COLOMBO on June 02, 2008, 04:31:23 PM
Hi Mum, actually I have not figured out who Luis is and have stopped looking. It will sometimes just pop up when you are not looking - so that's the approach for now.

+++++++++++++++

Colombo and all, I would like your opinions.

I have been tearing through the DOJ and other government agencies and find a lot of info that makes me scratch my head. Most of this is usually related to the war on drugs or the pretend war of drugs and the SA entities..

I can really only come up with a few ideas what is really going on here.

My first thought is the war on drugs is real and the US Federal Government is actively pursing all leads and trying to rid the streets of drugs. In this scenario there are many agencies that have been set up and this alone is costing billions of dollars and then there is the financial aid to the SA countries that claim to need the help. There is also the military hardware end which also costs billions that is just given to the SA countries.

My second thought is this whole thing is a major sham as the documents and info suggest. In this scenario the government pretends to be fighting a war on drugs while actively doing nothing and in many cases is actually facilitating the operations on their own. (i.e. planes, cargo ships and CIA operatives, such as Barry Seal). Also in this scenario, I am finding that the USFG is playing an active role with the very people they claim to be on the hunt for. I notice that at some point the USFG then turns on the suppliers and either kills them or arrests them. I can not help but remember that GHWB was the head of the CIA and when Reagan won the nomination he said Bush would never be his running mate and then the very next day announced that Bush would in fact be his running mate. I have posted about this aspect before. I wonder who got to Reagan and suspect this player is the real power behind these clandestine operations. This player wanted Bush in and as  I have posted, this period becomes the most dangerous in American history where the war on drugs in concerned. I have to wonder if that was the intent or was this a by product. This person may no longer hold that position, but most likely someone does. I also get the feeling that this all goes back to Yale and friendships formed more than 70 years ago. In this scenario the government entities operate with impunity and can not ever be revealed yet alone be identified.

Also in scenario two - there are what I would call middle men or facilitators, such as Robert Vesco. At some point the government then also turns on these guys and tries to kill them. It's hard to now how many "middle men" there really are or how many have been killed as the stated profession is not CIA "middle man". Usually when a major operation is about to be uncovered, the CIA will begin to clean up their baggage and eliminate evidence. In these cases there is no reason to clean up a the operations are secret and even if Cogress got wind of it, there is little they could do without outing the operatives. That's a big no-no. 

This does not have alliance to anyone party such as the Republicans or Democrats. It goes on no matter who is in the White House. This leads me to believe it is career bureaucrats that are the actual power behind the war on drugs. Presidents come and go, the career bureaucrats are there for life.

Big money in war


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Blonde on June 02, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Blonde...Good morning! I started a thread in the Important Case Documents section for Pics of ALE. If you have any?  TIA

Hello Mum. Good Idea, so we know who is who.
 I will post all the pictures that I have.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 02, 2008, 08:55:01 PM
A very astute monkey sent me an email that pointed out something very interesting here that Mum might want to see.  This was posted in what I refer to as the NAH thread but it's really the NCD thread.  They key here is the reference to the five men that have been interviewed.  I have my five...anyone else want to take a stab at who they think those five men were? Keep in mind that this story was published on June 15, 2005. The story would have to be written at least 2 days or more before the June 15 date. Going back to Mum's fave topic...5th suspect. LOL

Buckeye

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #755 5/31
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2008, 09:27:39 AM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Not knowing if there will be a "new" documentary, I thought I would post a couple "old" articles.

FBI playing second fiddle in Aruba
by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Wednesday, June 15, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: Top sleuths from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Miami have been slithering through the grass on Aruba for the last 14 days but the role these highly-trained agents have been forced to play is that of “second fiddle" to the Aruban police, who have been struggling to crack the case of the missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance on May 30 has drawn the international media to this Dutch Caribbean island of just over 97,000 people.

Officials at Aruba's Foreign Affairs office told Caribbean Net News that the Miami-based FBI agents were invited to the island as observers only, and the Aruban police are the ones "calling the shots."
This has annoyed FBI brass in the US, prompting one senior FBI agent to wonder aloud: "Are they having an election down there or are they looking for a missing person? What's this ******* status stuff all about?"

According to Judy Orihuela, FBI spokesperson at the Miami office, the government of Aruba has only asked for minimal FBI help from the organisation.
FBI sources told Caribbean Net News that there is one agent from Barbados, along with six from Miami, who are on the ground in Aruba and will "help" when they are asked to.
Police in Aruba confirmed to Caribbean Net News that the FBI are here as observers and were part of a team that was allowed to watch from behind a glass when Aruban police interviewed five men held in connection with Holloway's disappearance.
Limited in technology, the Aruban police have also sought the help of the FBI in analysing a DNA sample that was removed from the rear seat of a vehicle belonging to one of the suspects. Caribbean Net News has learnt the DNA tests came back negative when tested for blood.
The slow pace of the investigation has angered many, forcing Holloway's mother to make public criticism of the slow pace.
The case has caused great embarrassment for the Aruba authorities. In one instance, the Deputy Commissioner told the media that there was a confession and that one of the accused was leading the police to the scene of Police. Minutes after, that line was changed and officials had no more to say about the “confession”, saying rather that they had reached a "critical" point in their in their investigations.

No one has made any further comment on what the Deputy Commissioner had said earlier.

However, Holloway's mother is of the view that the authorities could be seeking to protect the three young men who were last to see her daughter. The trio told police they had dropped off the 18-year-old at her hotel following a party session.
Police, when pressed, told Caribbean Net News that video tapes from surveillance cameras at the hotel show no evidence of this.

Meanwhile, FBI agents will stay in Aruba and continue to observe from behind the glass, until they called upon to run any further errands.

http://tinyurl.com/4e9o98


Scroll to June 15, 2005


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on June 02, 2008, 09:19:00 PM
Well unfortunately, prior to June 15, 2005 my belief is this article is referring to:

Mickey John
Abraham Jones
Joran van der Sloot
Deepak Kalpoe
Satish Kalpoe


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: finngirl on June 03, 2008, 03:01:38 AM
Finngirl...Thank You for the info...very interesting...and I am sure Sim knew all that...IQ of 149 and all...

YW  :wink:
pop in more often! ::MonkeyCool::  I will try to do that


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 03, 2008, 06:45:52 AM
interesting: see Alejandro Martinez - http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CHANDRALEVY.html

Clintons & interns:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts





Thanks COLUMBO - Interesting reading! But as usual I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  LOL

Does this have anything to do with Simian's early posts on Chandra Levy? How does this all fit? TIA...

From reading those links it appears that we are not really thinking outside the box that much in this thread!

Rob...Still have to read all you posted, but thanks! I think I have the gist of it on a quick read!

Rob...question...did you ever find your Luis in Finance? TIA


Ding! Ding! Ding!!!!!!!!
Simian mentions Levy, and also says (on Holloway case) "how the black team was unaware is beyond me......" (translation: black team had to be aware)




Did my homework on the first posts of Simian…in context…Lots of posts on sex slavery and Chandra Levy before these posts of Simian’s…

Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm
Why would anybody take this girl for the purpose of Sex Slavery? If you look up where Aruba is you will notice our proximity to South America. A lot of pretty girls and a lot of poverty. Why take an North American girl and sell her in Colombia?
People don’t just dissappear. And if Amy Bradley was the last girl to dissappear in Aruba and Natalee after 7 years, I would say that these human traffickers really suck. By the way
This thing will be solved.
Maybe after this all the North Americans bashing Aruba here should focus on Chondra Levy. Nobody knows what happened to her and it’s been awhile. Maybe you can start a “Boycott Central Park” on-line petition.
 
blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm
Simian -
They found Levy’s remains FYI.

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
They found them…do you know what happened? Condit has been cleared…
Posted Jun 17, 5:20 PM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
By the way, they found Levy’s remains a full year after she went missing. In a place where they did search numerous times.
Give the authorities a chance.
Maybe this girl doesn’t want to be found.
Posted Jun 17, 5:23 PM

COLUMBO…IIRC you have associated Simian’s posts with Paulus being questioned and then arrested.
Seeing Simian and Mirian refer to the 5th. suspect, what if it was all about Freddy!!!
These posts from earlier in the FP thread, before Simian makes his first post.

Connie on June 17th, 2005 12:18 pm
From looking at the back of this guy that was brought in this morning, his size and hair, I honestly think it was that freddy guy in the pics with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s

Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm
Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)





Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: MumInOhio on June 03, 2008, 07:50:08 AM
More from the FP....Steve Croes...

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 2:22 pm
Wait a minute, I recognize Steve Croes, he used to be a Marine here in Aruba…

Jeff Dowder on June 17th, 2005 2:24 pm
Aruba doesn’t have Marines, but they do have a formdable group of boy scouts and explorers

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 2:28 pm
Jeff Dowder,
Sorry but you are mistaken. If you would have looked the early days pics of NH searchings you would have seen them… They were all over the news also… They are the first ones that existed on this earth, started December 1665, by a guy named Peter Stuyvesant… Rings a bell?


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 03, 2008, 07:15:52 PM
Is the reason we don't use the fake Simian posts only because they were posted from a location here in the USA?  What if they aren't fake..just sent to that poster to post for Simian?  I know, that's far fetched...sorry.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 03, 2008, 07:17:12 PM
interesting: see Alejandro Martinez - http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CHANDRALEVY.html

Clintons & interns:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts





Thanks COLUMBO - Interesting reading! But as usual I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  LOL

Does this have anything to do with Simian's early posts on Chandra Levy? How does this all fit? TIA...

From reading those links it appears that we are not really thinking outside the box that much in this thread!

Rob...Still have to read all you posted, but thanks! I think I have the gist of it on a quick read!

Rob...question...did you ever find your Luis in Finance? TIA


Ding! Ding! Ding!!!!!!!!
Simian mentions Levy, and also says (on Holloway case) "how the black team was unaware is beyond me......" (translation: black team had to be aware)




Did my homework on the first posts of Simian…in context…Lots of posts on sex slavery and Chandra Levy before these posts of Simian’s…

Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm
Why would anybody take this girl for the purpose of Sex Slavery? If you look up where Aruba is you will notice our proximity to South America. A lot of pretty girls and a lot of poverty. Why take an North American girl and sell her in Colombia?
People don’t just dissappear. And if Amy Bradley was the last girl to dissappear in Aruba and Natalee after 7 years, I would say that these human traffickers really suck. By the way
This thing will be solved.
Maybe after this all the North Americans bashing Aruba here should focus on Chondra Levy. Nobody knows what happened to her and it’s been awhile. Maybe you can start a “Boycott Central Park” on-line petition.
 
blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm
Simian -
They found Levy’s remains FYI.

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
They found them…do you know what happened? Condit has been cleared…
Posted Jun 17, 5:20 PM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
By the way, they found Levy’s remains a full year after she went missing. In a place where they did search numerous times.
Give the authorities a chance.
Maybe this girl doesn’t want to be found.
Posted Jun 17, 5:23 PM

COLUMBO…IIRC you have associated Simian’s posts with Paulus being questioned and then arrested.
Seeing Simian and Mirian refer to the 5th. suspect, what if it was all about Freddy!!!
These posts from earlier in the FP thread, before Simian makes his first post.

Connie on June 17th, 2005 12:18 pm
From looking at the back of this guy that was brought in this morning, his size and hair, I honestly think it was that freddy guy in the pics with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s

Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm
Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)






I think Simian was indeed talking about our Freddy...that is a big concession to me since I want it to be Lorenzo.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2008, 07:17:24 PM
Is the reason we don't use the fake Simian posts only because they were posted from a location here in the USA?  What if they aren't fake..just sent to that poster to post for Simian?  I know, that's far fetched...sorry.

The fake simian were not only from a different IP but also different email addy.  I really believe the fake simian's were someone just fooling around with us.


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: COLOMBO on June 03, 2008, 07:17:25 PM
interesting: see Alejandro Martinez - http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/CHANDRALEVY.html

Clintons & interns:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921983/posts





Thanks COLUMBO - Interesting reading! But as usual I am  ::MonkeyConfused::  LOL

Does this have anything to do with Simian's early posts on Chandra Levy? How does this all fit? TIA...

From reading those links it appears that we are not really thinking outside the box that much in this thread!

Rob...Still have to read all you posted, but thanks! I think I have the gist of it on a quick read!

Rob...question...did you ever find your Luis in Finance? TIA


Ding! Ding! Ding!!!!!!!!
Simian mentions Levy, and also says (on Holloway case) "how the black team was unaware is beyond me......" (translation: black team had to be aware)




Did my homework on the first posts of Simian…in context…Lots of posts on sex slavery and Chandra Levy before these posts of Simian’s…

Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm
Why would anybody take this girl for the purpose of Sex Slavery? If you look up where Aruba is you will notice our proximity to South America. A lot of pretty girls and a lot of poverty. Why take an North American girl and sell her in Colombia?
People don’t just dissappear. And if Amy Bradley was the last girl to dissappear in Aruba and Natalee after 7 years, I would say that these human traffickers really suck. By the way
This thing will be solved.
Maybe after this all the North Americans bashing Aruba here should focus on Chondra Levy. Nobody knows what happened to her and it’s been awhile. Maybe you can start a “Boycott Central Park” on-line petition.
 
blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm
Simian -
They found Levy’s remains FYI.

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
They found them…do you know what happened? Condit has been cleared…
Posted Jun 17, 5:20 PM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
By the way, they found Levy’s remains a full year after she went missing. In a place where they did search numerous times.
Give the authorities a chance.
Maybe this girl doesn’t want to be found.
Posted Jun 17, 5:23 PM

COLUMBO…IIRC you have associated Simian’s posts with Paulus being questioned and then arrested.
Seeing Simian and Mirian refer to the 5th. suspect, what if it was all about Freddy!!!
These posts from earlier in the FP thread, before Simian makes his first post.

Connie on June 17th, 2005 12:18 pm
From looking at the back of this guy that was brought in this morning, his size and hair, I honestly think it was that freddy guy in the pics with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers.

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s

Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm
Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)







PVDS had one.....or two cards up his sleeve




Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2008, 07:19:52 PM
I'm going to go ahead and LOCK this thread on page 99 so i don't have to keep on checking it. 


Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
Post by: klaasend on June 03, 2008, 07:21:43 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/1LOCKED.gif)

Please move to Shango/Simian #4

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2886.0