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O/T! O/T!      Update on Katysmom in the lounge.

Not the same person IMO

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Martin.jpg)

Are we sure that's not Ned Beatty????? (I look at this guy and think "squeal like a pig"!)

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/IMG_2813kopie.jpg?t=1209022866)
from previous thread. photo of Joran in Bangkok.
i was hoping for such a photo.
imo the Den Dolder location is also still possible.
maybe he had a week or so vacation from Den Dolder.

That smirk of Joran's makes my blood boil!  :-x

« Reply #960 on: Today at 06:27:46 AM » GBMW
   
 Quote from: MumInOhio on Today at 05:34:42 AMAny chance our very clever friends from the Netherlands can find anything on Jean Akers doing her Masters at the University of Amsterdam in 2003? I wonder if there are any Aruban connections there?  TIA

Jean Akers: 2002Page 2 on:http://www.ishss.uva.nl/Download/10_years_ishss/ISHSS_brochure_4.pdf


Thanks GBMW….Will need new glasses to get through that list of names!

(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/auntcindy/Joranthailand.jpg)
Joran laughs in Thailand

AMSTERDAM - Why is Joran in a psychiatric hospital? An attentive Netherlands tourists saw Van der Sloot smiling in Bangkok.

  Joran of the Sloot appears to be still ignore the commotion he caused with his confessions about the death of Natalee Holloway.

Doodgemoedereerd he walked earlier this week over the Chatuchat market in Bangkok, accompanied by a blond young man. Ongemerkt Dutch tourists photographed the suspect Aruban Dutchman, which it is proved that Van der Sloot has not been fully incorporated in a psychiatric clinic.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3861317/_Joran_lacht_in_Thailand__.html?p=1,1



http://www.asiatraveltips.com/ChatuchakMarketBangkok.shtml

Chatuchak market (Bangkok, Thailand) is one of the largest markets in the world. Located opposite the old northern bus terminal along Phahonyothin it is a must for any traveller coming to Bangkok who has shopping on his/her mind.

The market is only open at the weekends, Saturday and Sunday from 7am until late. Some of the stalls do open during the week but not sufficient to warrant a visit. One

i have send hilde zwijnenberg a email  ::MonkeyHaHa::

other not releated news from Peter R. de Vries:

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/nieuws-dossiers-straat-tot.htm
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3866467/_Rechtbankdossiers_op_straat__.html

61 court case dossiers were transported from the public prosection in Breda to a court.
they fell from the truck on the street. later on someone found them and brought them to Peter R. de Vries.

Wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ned Beatty:

(http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/3/ned_beatty_stone_rose.jpg)

Mart:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Martin.jpg)

do 24 apr 2008, 07:10 | 298 reacties
Joran lacht in Thailand

AMSTERDAM -  Hoezo zit Joran in een psychiatrische inrichting? Een oplettende Nederladse toerist zag Van der Sloot lachend in Bangkok.

Joran van de Sloot lijkt zich nog altijd niets aan te trekken van de commotie die hij veroorzaakte met zijn bekentenissen over de dood van Natalee Holloway.

Doodgemoedereerd wandelde hij eerder deze week over de Chatuchat markt in Bangkok, vergezeld van een blonde jongeman. Ongemerkt fotografeerden Nederlandse toeristen de verdachte Arubaanse Nederlander, waarmee het bewijs wordt geleverd dat Van der Sloot helemaal niet is opgenomen in een psychiatrische kliniek.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3861317/_Joran_lacht_in_Thailand__.html?p=21,1
 

Yep, find out when that photo was taken and if it was on the weekend  ::MonkeyWink::

her job is :
 sociaal pedagogisch hulpverlener in de psychiatrie

  social educational counsellor in psychiatry

Ah, so she didn't take the picture, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Does she work at Den Dolder?

I fixed it

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NedBeatty3.jpg)

Hobby's : Fotografie en vormgeving (design)

I'm familiar with the sensation. 

ha ha klaas i have to go back to den dolder this evening !!

Rob - ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

in my new outfit ! ::MonkeyDance::
(http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/19011.jpg)

Johan -  ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I'll give you 100 dollars if you check yourself in for the night.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Peaches, I'm very happy to see you are doing so well and feeling better.

According to the following chat ... Mart and Joran have never met.  Who is the blond man in the image taken in Thailand?

Janet

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Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 07:44:30 AM

Here are the chats we got on camera (the interview doesn't give extra info except the fact it seems Joran has another debt in a casino (Hong Kong)...)….the translations are loose because Joran uses slang a bit so I’ve interpreted the meaning sometimes because otherwise, with a literal translation, it wouldn’t make sense.

??? mean I couldn’t read it so words / sentences are missing

Joran:
Hey man how’s it going?
I will pay you back, next month, I promise

Another:
Yeah look, what I’ve done is not ok but I had no other choice and by putting it online you’ve put me in danger.
Are you on several blogs? Because I’ve heard it from several people. So you don’t keep things between us a secret. And I believed you.

Martin:

I’m really sorry & I won’t do it again. Whatever happens. You told me I was your only FRIEND and I would like to keep it that way. I want to stay your friend….that we can fix things between us…you and me.

Nooo man, I only posted a message on your Hyves..certainly not on the internet / blogs or whatever. I’ve never talked to anyone about anything. I have no….???

Joran:

I hope so man
I would like to stay friends, really, but I do have stories my friend
They were in my room with guns and everything
I felt awful
Now everybody is finally gone…I’m 100% safe now
And I’ve got my passport back

Martin:
I hope Joran, that we can stay friends….I never judged you or asked you questions about Natalee…???? I hope our problems can be solved and we can start over just like in the beginning. The whole world is angry with you and I won’t partipate in that…You know that buddy!

Joran:

Yes I know, and I believed you….I can understand you were angry with me but you’ve said some nasty things about me.

Martin:

I know and I’m really sorry. I wasn’t myself and I’m really sorry. Can you forgive me? I’m really sorry.

Joran:
Of course I can forgive you.
Can you forgive me?


Chatsession 20-04-2008

Joran:
Hey dude

Martin:
Hello

Joran:
How’s it going?

Martin:
Well, not that good, swa

Joran:
Tell me, what’s wrong

Yeah, sorry man, but had no choice…had to pay those people off otherwise I was screwed…I will pay you back as soon as I’ve got the money

Martin:
I feel used. I thought I had a good friend who I could trust for a 100%.

Really Joran? You will pay back everything? A promise made from one friend to another?

Joran:
Yes, I still look at you as a friend.

There was a gun pointed at me so I didn’t think ???

I would still like to meet you if that’s possible.
But I will understand if you don’t want to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg376393#msg376393

I love Ned Beatty!!!   That other guy isn't nearly as good looking as Ned.

this is hilde :

(http://195.20.9.33/lifestyl/img/team/hilde.jpg)

she took that pic  1 1/2 week ago and  now she is  back in Holland

she call me back in about 2 hours

Excellent!  Thanks Johan!

So if Hilde took that photo about a week and 1/2 ago it could have been taken on the weekend of April 12-13.

Observation:

Orange is a very difficult color to wear and look good in, Hilde is an exception.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Please remind me who that other handsome fellow is in those pictures?  Thank you.

is she martin's daughter ? ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://195.20.9.33/lifestyl/img/team/hilde.jpg)(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Martinmovie.jpg?t=1209050229)

because she is dutch maybe   ::MonkeyDance::

is this guy 20 ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/IMG_2814kopie.jpg?t=1209022960)

Maybe, but more likely due to her skin coloring.  Put the same color on Julia Renfro (American) or Mart (Dutch) and the result would be different  ::MonkeyWink::

Of course IMO nothing can help Renfro's appearance since she's become ugly from the inside out.

Peaches - did you ever see this website?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.spankjoran.com/

I thought I remembered one where you actually got to spank him.  Maybe it's the pain pills. ::MonkeyCool::

Thought it might be fun for you! I enjoyed it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas

Back left....nah???

http://www.bangkokrecorder.com/fotos/albums/parties/2008/tiesto/tiesto121.jpg

That's a great little time waster, Klaas.  I haven't seen the penguin slap in forever.

Let me look, hold on

IMO, NOT Joran:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/tiesto121.jpg)

I can see why you asked, Buckeye....

Peaches - can't get to the Penguin slap right now, it's on my external hard drive on my laptop in the other room. 

I should wait for Klaas to answer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks Klaas

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Excuses!  Excuses!  Just put on your hard hat and ... crawl and climb your way through all that construction ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

klaa., that sure bears repeating.  you are soooooo right.
dennisintn

SLAPPING PENGUIN

Lively Case Discussion #576 1/19 - 1/22/2007
« Reply #761 on: January 22, 2007, 02:31:32 PM »

Quote from: "klaasend"

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=754.msg109248;topicseen#msg109248

Oh sorry...forgot to mention she's on the second page....the second / third line...on the left side.

Thanks, Janet.  I should have known you would have it as well! 

You are the Diva of Documentation.

Thanks Johan!

I think I need a nap.  Have a lovely afternoon, all.

No ... I did not document the slappy penguin.

::MonkeyHaHa::

SM's search engine led me directly to Klaas' post.  Keyword ... Penguin.

Peaches ... have a nice nap.  I hope you are having a good day.

Janet

Hi *******…when you have a minute would you mind looking at the last page in the Shango thread. We were discussing Ben Vocking again and realized that the pics didn’t get straightened out in the Important Documents thread from February when we found the error! The photo that Blonde posted is actually a priest that Buckeye posted about. Vocking’s pic is posted by Rob and vms and Hotping (I think Hotpings is one page back) have posted links to the previous discussions and other photos.

Thanks in Advance!

gbmw

I THINK THIS GIRL AND THE PIC IN THE TELEGRAAF ARE FAKE
I try to call here the whole day for more pics and no response.
And why is the pic so late in the newspaper ?
She took the pic 1 1/2 week ago .
Has Joran friends or fam in Raalte ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/HILDE.jpg?t=1209060081)

I, too, have wondered is this guy doesn't look older than 20.  I haven't been able to readily find another pic of Joran, but I also thought his neck was longer.

Could this be a doppleganger?  That would really make Joran laugh!

Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem need to get their stories straight.

Janet

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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 16th, 2008 at 12:38 am
PATRICK’S RESPONSE

Even in the broadcast it was already a hard confession, of course there is so much more on the 20 hours of tape.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Only thing I noticed besides thinking it was Joran was the Rudy Croes beard or as PI would tell us goat's patootie (close).... ::MonkeyHaHa::

i am sure it is him.
i wonder how he looks when he is 30. if he will even make that age.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranCompareThailand.jpg)

A co-worker of mine called Hilde and she didn't want to talk....that's what's in our file. Don't know who talked to her so couldn't check it; what she said and all...the early shift had left already when I found out and she was called in the morning.

Lot's of e-mails and phonecalls have been coming in of course....and FTR: Mart - moneything Thailand does match with all this info that has been coming in....with Joran being in Thailand at the time. I'm not saying this is true / a fact...just that it matches ;-). Joran likes to play with the media so I don't trust all the info coming in....

And don't forget: there is a certain time gap between this being in the press / online and the actual stealing....

My 2 cents...photo looks like Joran to me also. Have you all seen this youtube, I just did and though the pics are not new, it really is a good composition of the psycho Joran is......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhoU9LubbHI&feature=related

If the image is not Joran ... it is definitely his double.

However ... with this all this "photocropping" going who can be sure the image is authentic.

Janet

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Translation

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25
« Reply #757 on: April 03, 2008, 12:11:21 PM »

Entire Families Van der Sloot summoned

He has been held under treatment at the psychiatric institute in Altrecht.  On an open devision in Den Dolder he gets therapy for people who are stuck in everyday like "and are suffering from behavioral and psychiatric problems."

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg370419#msg370419


April 18th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
RESPONSE PATRICK

I think you should go to the same psychiatric clinic as Joran. You have a brilliant cover there to get some more story from him.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

I think it is Joran too. But were, when and how the foto is taken? :smt102

On Fok people talk about Joran's mother. One of the posters wrote once that Joran's mother was with her two other kids to Holland. Other people tell she went to Holland by herself (without the little brothers).

Does anybody know if there is any proof that Joran's brothers were on Aruba the night Natalee disappeared? ::MonkeyCool::

Another OT comment and then I'll be quiet. Seems Aruba Tourism is finally hitting the bottom. They now seem to be touting the seedy side of Aruba as a tourist attraction.

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(http://www.jaunted.com/files/4912/charlies_bar.jpg)

Aruba Travel: The Island's Best Dive Bar

Aruba has some of the Caribbean's best windsurfing on Palm Beach, a dynamic northwestern coastline easily viewed while on the island's best drive and a fantastic spa where you can get rubbed down with rum and aloe vera. Seriously folks, this island's where it's at.

If you're still not convinced then it's obviously time for a drink. Head south to San Nicolas where you'll find Charlie's Bar--hands down Aruba's finest dive.

(http://www.jaunted.com/files/4912/charlie_at_charlies_bar.jpg)

First things first: San Nicolas is not your average Caribbean town. To say it's rough around the edges would be an understatement. What most guidebooks will tell you is that there's nothing doing for tourists, but that's just because they're keeping Aruba's dirty little secret--that this is the only town on the island where prostitution is legal. Women in windows legal. Red light district legal.

But of course, that's not the reason why you'd visit San Nicolas--in fact if you go during the day the bars that encourage such behavior are closed. Nope, you go for Charlie's Bar, a quirky dive with over sixty years worth of mementos--antique cameras, rusty trumpets, wooden clogs, you name it--hanging from its ceiling, walls and rafters. Founded by Holland-born Charlie Brouns in 1941, the bar is now run by Charlie III, an affable Aruban who'll regale you with stories of how all that stuff got there in the first place.

Have a seat at the bar and order a Boozer Colada--Charlie's own rummy concoction--and don't miss the steamed shrimp: five-inch jumbos caught off the Venezuelan coast and served with a homemade hot sauce. No doubt, this is a dive that delights.

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2008/4/22/14543/9986/travel/Aruba+Travel:+The+Island's+Best+Dive+Bar

i really don't know gbmw .I talked to a boy and he said she has more pics !
And her cellphone is off the whole day  . Why ? 
When i have a good news pic i want to sell it  as soon as possible and not 1 1/2 week later  ::MonkeyNoNo:: so i think it is fake !
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/JoranCOMP.jpg?t=1209063645)

Anybody following the Joran in Korea thread at RU?

Who was the owner of FOB?

JR - he lived at one time in Arizona.  Then Moonshadows took over FOB2:

Here are the photos that Glenda posted.  Is she or someone implying it's JR?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/_DSC9171.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/_DSC9159.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranThailand.jpg)

The phone is probably off because everyone has been trying to call her ;-)

And maybe she was on a trip and didn't contact press until she got back home...that she wanted to enjoy her holiday in Thailand & didn't want fuss with the media / selling pictures....she was on holiday.......could be a good an explanation to me.

I do think it's Joran..(don't really doubt that) & it does seem the photo is shot in Thailand....but I can't know this for sure of course...and certainly can't tell when the picture was taken.

What are your doubts concerning the photo? Joran - the Thailand aspect - date?

I don't think De Telegraaf would have posted this picture just like that; they would have checked the photo for photoshopping (should be easily noticed on prof. equipment)  and the date must have been given - checked...proven by her (on her camera / mobile phone?)
It's a newspaper...yeah not a NRC / Volkskrant...but still not some paper in the National Enquirer kind of way ;-)

why are you  so sure caesu?
You told also that you have info that he is in den dolder
and i have the same info
Someone who works there ( on the roosenburg unit ) told me today  that Joran is there !
Maybe had joran a short drugs trip to thailand  ::MonkeyHaHa:: they have good thaiwiet there ::MonkeyDance::
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/DenDOLDER.jpg?t=1209035041)

JR is a pilot and could have flown Joran to Thailand

I really thing that Peter Devries and Patrick van der Eem better get on the same page in regards to the unaired portions of the Joran video recording.

Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

Why did nobody see Joran on Schiphol?

As far as I know admittance (on own request) in the closed Department of a psychiatric hospital goes as follows:

The psychiatrists need to decide this is necessary first. Before somebody is admitted, they have to sign forms that they will follow the treatment of the psychiatrists.

So, as far as I know, if someone leaves the closed department of a psychiatric hospital he needs the permission of psychiatrists. ::MonkeyConfused::

Discussed many times...honestly don't know! Paulus said in his PVs that he picked up Sebastian from the Zeolla family and that Sebastian and Val caught the bus? I am starting to think only Anita went!

ALE knows...I hope Natalee's family does too!

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian  who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

that's what i think. a short vacation from den dolder two weeks ago.
peter r. de vries / kees van der spek confirmed has been in thailand / hong kong.

it must be possible after we have seen a photo of joran in thailand to get a photo of joran near den dolder too when he gets out of the van or car.

There are a couple of hours confessionwise according to Peter. So that's at least 2 right? And the show in Holland was about two hours and 15 minutes with commercials (don't know how many....3 / 4 maybe...they were long breaks ;-)...). But not the whole show was confessiontalk...maybe 60%?....so there is a lot more confessiontalk we haven't seen.
 

he could have flown from belgium of germany.
but i doubt joran would have let himself locked up in a psychiatric hospital.
or even if he did sign those papers, he could say 'i was stoned when i signed them'.
this psychiatric hospital is all a scam to plea insanity in a future court case.
remember how he told how he sat opposite that judge without saying a thing.
he probably was at den dolder just to give himself a record that he stayed a pschiatric hospital, can be helpfull for the insanity plea.
or when he has to appear for the civil court case he flees to den dolder pretending he is right in the middle of a treatment.

Hi caesu -
I agree, he's just using anyone and anything as he bashes his way through life.

On one hand, I am delighted at the fact the Sloots are doomed because of Joran, I so love it.

On the other hand, I am worried and concerned for the future victims of this monster.

All future victims should be able to sue both Aruba and Holland. Joran should have been locked up from the get go, and they hold the ulitmate responsibility due to their dereliction of duty.

GBMW ... I am not following you.

Peter Devries claims that there was 20 hours of video tape but ... ONLY TWO HOURS were related to the Natalee Holloway case and ... everthing that was relevant was revealed in the airing.

I can only conclude that Peter Devries was being deceptive if his words were not the truth.

Janet

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Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

Unless you are a VDS with connections ... a VDS attempting to avoid legal consequences for your actions.

Janet

Joran van der Sloot
Joran's Book
June 13, 2005

Page 156
Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you.  I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution.  You only will have to tell the truth.Translator - Johanna (BFN)


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?  

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA (Twan Huys)
June 28, 2005

<snipped>

ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT

Reporter (Twan Huys): Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

Paulus van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?

Paulus van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Jan van der Straaten.

Paulus van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
 
Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?  

Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.

Translation Credit: Dugo - Riehl Worldview

ceasu it is not so easy to take pics in Den Dolder  ::MonkeyNoNo::

you said: it must be possible after we have seen a photo of joran in thailand to get a photo of joran near den dolder too when he gets out of the van or car.
There are a lot of security guards over there !
And .... they can bring him in the evening
But is so easy to make a fake Picture !
i did this pic below in 5 minutes  ::MonkeyHaHa::
So Joran has a Job now !
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/AnimationTaxi.gif?t=1209069058)

Any one know if there is any money coming in for the 'Target Identification' search? I suppose even if there is enough money, it will have to wait until this upcoming hurricane season is over?? :roll:

Monkeys

Please go to the Lounge and ... rejoice with Katysmom's wonderful news ... wonderful new that has nothing to do with the medical battle she is facing.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2800.new#new

 ::MonkeyTongue::

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/normal_348TATTOOFRI_066.jpg)


...more recent pics


http://tinyurl.com/nbjee

Peter said a couple of hours...he didn't say 2 I believe. And a couple could also mean more than 2. Even if you would assume it was 2 hours of confessiontalk: they only aired a fragment of those 2 hours. In the show that was broadcasted he gave a summary of the case, explained the set up, Patrick, commercials in between, visit Aruba, Beth etc. Peter aired what would be enough for the general public that was interested in Natalee's case.

So Peter had to choose what to broadcast...the most important quotes / segments are in the show of course but for people that are really interested I think the rest could tell a lot as well..sometimes things are in the detail ;-). And I think Patrick was referring to that.....and might have also been thinking about other quotes of Joran not related to the case but that could give an insight in what kind of person he is...if there was any doubt left after seeing that confession that is ;-)

Carpe - you do know that's Valentijn right?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

OK ... you and I see it differently.

Hey ... the "couple" thing.  "Couple" when applied to my husband and my relationship is defined as "two".  He would never get away with defining "couple" as a "few".

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a good day GBMW

Janet

Hi Carpe... I wonder if Valentijn has been behaving himself??? nope... he's not... LOL  ::MonkeyWink::

GBMW - Godfather Peter R said 10 confessions

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yeah my boyfriend wouldn't get away with that either!

Peter has mentioned the amount as  'een aantal uren' as well a couple of times (in the press & in phoneconversations we've had with him)....which means a couple of hours but in Dutch it's said like it's more than 2 most of the time. That's probably why I think it's more than 2 as well.

I'm off to watch Spy Game and then go to bed (were there will only be 2 people in ;-)...)...it's getting late here and my boyfriend wants to watch the movie...I just want to watch Robert Redford & Brad Pitt  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah I know.....I wish SBS6 would have aired the complete 20 hours of tape...there are a lot of crappy programmes on that channel that easily could have been skipped once if you ask me ;-)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey ... it is still afternoon here.

Good Night GBMW

Janet
2:2PM

What means gbmw ? do you drive in a bmw ?

hiya Rob.

Nope...but I wish I could afford to drive a BMW ;-) GB stands for Great Britain because I love that country...MW are my initials.

Goodnight everyone!...Hmmmm well for most: have a great day!

klaasend

BOX

I wonder how many tidbits remain undiscovered in that twenty hours of tape?  Why not release a transcript or the actual 20 hours somewhere?

Great,like father like son like brother.

   
Moszkowicz will sue Joran van der Sloot

CRIMESITEJoran 'Pokerface' Van der Sloot may still be able to get what he deserves, according to many. Just when everyone thought we Joran by his frank conversations with undercover Patrick van der Eem in the tank would go. As many as seven million Dutch people were disappointed when it became clear that even Peter R. de Vries unable showed the Aruban OM beffers there to convince that the most famous of wijngooier Netherlands was guilty in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Nation wide and USA-wide needs now is some hope have arisen because of the interference of lawyer Bram Moszkowicz. In a civil proceeding he behalf of the mother of Natalee Holloway and Joran try his criminal family to the bone to rip.
Say only one without a correct action, but on a legal manner.

Not only the publisher has been shockschade. We are still in shock of this whole thing. Initially we thought that those still neatly brought up young, promising, godenzoon only losbandige a teenager who was sometimes a bit friemelde with girls of his age, but nothing appeared further from the truth.
The true face when we got to see Pauw and Witteman. If a predator waiting his chance to examine the best known and most influential crime reporter for the eye of the camera to make ridiculous.
The hidden camera operations we saw in word and image how Joran himself out as an emotionless hufter who had no trouble to the girl where he is a one-night stand with polite even further into the sea sand in stairways.

Criminal seen Joran can not be convicted unless there is evidence top table that really make sense. As a precaution, and in anticipation of civil procedure that has been put in motion have been overprotected parents put him in the shadows. Because if Joran do so he must have answers to questions. No doubt the fire will Bram Joran's go now increasingly whiter, and created everything from the mafia cabinet to get the real truth over the Aruban seawater to obtain.

Can what Joran will certify, under oath and pressure from one of the most famous of strafpleiters Netherlands, the media and the rest of the world, still be considered as reliable?
At this moment it Joran according to the newspaper awake in the subsection of Altrecht psychiatric facility. That we're not sure but that is the department where they persoonlijkheidsproblematiek / disorders and trauma related disorders associated with chronic traumatic.

And let us be realistic. Joran van der Sloot's life after the murder disappearance of Natalee Holloway never be the same. Not underestimate what an impact that has on some, according to his parents, innocent boy. There is still no evidence that he deliberately powerlessness in a movement at its fate has left or soap would have helped because Natalee that drug, alcoholic, gokverslaafde, pathological serieleugenaar, wijngooiende, vloekende, smart, vunzige, wrong brand sports shoes bearing, fingers and push viezerik not have wanted her body.

The rest of the Van der Sloot bunch is also summoned. That will still be cozy days in court. Bram, put it on.

Row yet even with Patrick and Joran account (in the movie re-installed) in the geruchtmakende drive most of these still fledgling century.

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6972

New arrest in embezzlement case LandLab

ORANJESTAD – An employee of the Finance Department, Yolanda V. was arrested in her home yesterday morning at 06:00 in connection with the large-scale embezzlement-case at the National Lab.  The National Detectives looked for evidence in her house and also in her office.  Also her son was arrested, but released shortly after.  The OM does not rule out that more people will be arrested in this case, where approximately 5 million florins were embezzled.  The main suspect in this criminal case, the 53-year old Maiky Farro, was arrested in Miami in February and is in the meantime extradited to Aruba.  He is in custody in the KIA since April 17.

Amigoe.com

Could the detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish in November, 2007 have all been a "dog and pony show" as John Kelly implied?  Could the detention of Joran, Deepak and Satish in November, 2007 have been an opportunity for coaching in regards to the impending Peter Devries/Patrick van der Emm video recording.

Janet

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TIMELY DETENTION

Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


HANS MOS - COMPELLING EVIDENCE?
 
Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


Hans Mos
On the Record with Greta
November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Hans Mos
CNN
November 30, 2007

Mos has told CNN he believes authorities have enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead, even if her body is never found. He has suggested her death was an accident.

The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


BETH HOLLOWAY, JOHN KELLY, DEFENCE ATTORNEYS AND ARUBAN COURT - NO NEW EVIDENCE

Beth Holloway
DANA PRETZER
December 21, 2007

JUG TWITTY: She (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence.
Transcript - Heli (RU)


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.

<snipped>

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY ATTORNEY: Disappointing, Greta. I think it was disappointing to me and actually extraordinarily painful and almost cruel for Beth and Dave after being down there.

They'd like to get some answers and they'd like to see some progress made. And it's not fair to bring them down there with the false promises, with raised expectations, sort of a dog and pony show down there with no substance.  

And it was — it just really took whatever spirit, almost, that Beth and Dave had left, went through that this weekend. It was really — it was terribly painful, for lack of a better expression.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html
 

Joe Tacopina - Defense Attorney
THE LINEUP
December 2, 2007

There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence ...Transcript - Heli (RU)


Ronald Wix
Associated Press
December 20, 2007

Ronald Wix, an attorney for the Kalpoe brothers, denied that prosecutors had new evidence.

"All they did was recycle old evidence and claim it was new evidence," Wix said ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22345541/


Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
December 18, 2007
By NBC 13 Staff
E-mail

From a press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office:

Since the release of all three suspects the Public Prosecutor’s Office has diligently considered and weighed all available evidence. It came to the opinion that the investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a Court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed, nor that her death has been caused by involuntary actions by either of the suspects. Neither was sufficient evidence gathered for sexual abuse.  The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three.  It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html

Joran try his criminal family to the bone to rip.


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Yes, spilled guts and slips of the tongue.  There would also be the opportunity to see how closely all these confessions match.  A good contrast to how many versions of the story he told to ALE.

Did these confessions show just one version of events?

That one looks like a sweetie girl.  jackb

No ... I do believe it took five attempts to get it right.

Janet

+++++++++


Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/

There is a man on the front row of that pic sitting two to the readers left with a bit of a goatee who I believe is the rock painter in his younger years.  Who is this dude?  Anyone know?  I really believe it is him.   The guy in the middle has his arms on Ben's shoulders and this rock-painter-looking man        Jack b

Hi cbb ... I see ya.

You have been missed.  I hope all is well.

Janet

Gotta run.  In the middle of a serious Scrabble game with neighbour/friend.  Lunch tomorrow is in the balance ... the loser treats.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
8:41 PM

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4599/8/

Grupo di persona a atraca turista       
Friday, 25 April 2008 - 00:18 
Diahuebs anochi un persona ta bira testigo di con un grupo di persona tabata atraca dos turista na altura di Costa Linda Hotel. E personanan aki a atraca dos turista y lo mester a usa un arma di candela. Despues di e comete e atraco e testigo a sigi e auto di e atracadornan y a informa polis. Na Altura di Wendy's a logra di para e auto y detene esnan den e auto. Click read more pa mas imagen.

Through translator (not much help, lol)

are of person owing to atraca tourist

friday, 25 april 2008 - 00:18

diahuebs night one person is become witness of con one are of person was atraca two tourist at height of costa linda hotel. the personanan here owing to atraca two tourist y will have to owing to using one arm of candela. after of the comete the atraco the witness owing to sigi the car of the atracadornan y owing to informa police. at height of wendy's owing to succeed of stop the car y detene esnan in the car. click read more for more imagen. come across

My translation (could be way off):

Someone attacked two tourists at the Costa Linda Hotel.  A witness got the description of the car of the attacker and the attacker was caught by ALE near Wendy's.




 

Boy, that li'l dirt bag son of beach really loves that Marriott.


-------


Art Harris article

http://tinyurl.com/5wg33l


___

Special Notes
___

Joran:

I WAS ONLY WITH HER *THERE* FOR 2 HOURS.


(He claims he called for Daury at 2)





I WANTED HER TO _ MY _

I * WAS ABOUT * TO TELL HER THAT ***



THEN, I CAME IN LIKE A MINUTE



THEN AFTER I CAME, SHE BEGAN TO SHAKE.


DID YOU ATTEMPT TO RESUSCITATE HER

YEAH...

I SHOOK THE BITCH, AND EVERYTHING.

I SHOOK HER.

I JUST HAVE TO GO ON.

I JUST HAVE TO LOOK GOOD.

...AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO ME.

THAT'S HOW IT WENT DOWN.

The Paranoia Gielen camp on NWO

419
T Says:

april 25th, 2008 at 0:33
The blond man who runs behind Joran is the man who spends Bakx for Martin (same nose and lower). But this certainly does not Bakx Martin. It is probably an infiltrator from Peter (R.).  ::MonkeyHaHa::
It is impossible for an account of another empty to plunder because you do not have the tan codes. This is a myth of Peter (R.). (Very smart this T  ::MonkeyHaHa::)
This photo is also impossible that huge market in Thailand have been taken without that there is a setup (Peter (R.) is again busy with infiltrators…). (10 infiltrators T !)
On the site  Refugees is a poster  GMBW clearly in direct contact with Peter (R.) and his "information" passes. Apparently Lazlo is a dumb to that task for him to clarify ..

Dutch:

Dit verhaal zal Boudineke Berkenbosch  ook wel wissen T !
Boudineke Berkenbosch is een uitgerangeerd typetje die niks anders meer te doen heeft dan achter haar blogje te hangen en de meest mogelijke onzin uit te kramen .
Over 9/11 zegt ze dat het een aanslag was van de regering Bush die samenviel met een aardbeving ,geen terroristische aanslag dus .
Iedereen die teveel kritiek heeft op het NWO blogje wordt geband of je compputer wordt gehacked .
Deze Boudineke vormt een perfect team met de doorgedraaide Renee Gielen die haar hele carriere in duigen ziet vallen .
Wilde RG niet dolgraag met Prd V samen werken ?Een film maken ?
Wat is de connectie van Gielen met de familie vd Sloot ?

Voor klachten over het NWO blog kan u hier terecht :
Boudineke: bouberk@planet.nl
psychologe en meester in de rechten mr. drs. Bou Berkenbosch
Boudineke Berkenbosch, bm
4317aa NOORDGOUWE
foto van haar huis volgt !

here a posting on the NWO blog :
look for Renee Gielen

February 28th, 2008 at 16:00
Warning to anyone who dares Renee Gielen to ask questions about sources: you get fraudulent phone calls and your computer is hacked. I dare not even to say who I am but will be very grateful for this information sharing
  I stop them there, it's too dangerous.

Renee, please be honest and tell everyone that you are a friend of Joran and his mother and the official spokesperson of the Van der Slors family, therefore, they can understand your motives more clearly.

I'm in direct contact with Peter R. de Vries and putting info out on SM & RU for him?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks for my first laugh of the day Johan!


And I read on that site that according to Renee Gielen someone in the Netherlands analyzed all the tapes of Peter R. de Vries?

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

That was my second laugh! Must be Erik...and he certainly didn't check all of the tapes since he doesn't have them! He only has the broadcasted show...like everyone else.

I checked some (I stopped quickly....with reason  ::MonkeyWink::) of Eriks claims myself on prof. equipment and they didn't make sense...at all.

I only know a bit about editing (it's not my primary job but I have to do it sometimes...I know the basic stuff) so I asked some 'real' editors and they laughed it off...big time.

Erik also has some screwed up ideas about the media and how broadcasts / licence agreements work in the Netherlands. He showed that really well on Fok when the Poentje tape was a discussion...he really made a fool out of himself on there at the time.

Could be Renee wasn't talking about Erik...for her sake I hope she was.

Well Johan...thanks again for the laughs..I've got the day off and are going to do some shopping!

http://www.nwo-info.nl/



Look at the links: Stan de Jong: :2notworthy:
 
This dubious fellow calls himself a "journalist". :smt100
He is the one who wrote about Patrick and Peter in Nieuwe Revue.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I can't help but wonder if this is one of the two women that were accused of breaking into the KLPD area last year. If you remember, this was when the KLPD was on Aruba and had an area they were working in broken into. Apparently the KLPD changed the pass-codes on the door.

Shortly after that the KLPD was looking for a missing laptop that appears to have had a GPS tracking device installed and it was tracked to ??? - Dominican Republic??? and recovered.

Interesting that the laptop had a GPS and could have been used as a lure to catch those involved in some type of scandal and to see where they were located or moving.

anyway, probably not the same people, but I wonder.

Good Morning All

I think this Van Der Sloot neighbor is a important Eye Witness..Where did this Monkey go and what does he know?  ::MonkeyCool::

http://v.wordpress.com/KKtYk8nT

We should never extradite ANYONE back to Aruba without a "Quid Pro Quo".

nice find

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Slootneighbor1.jpg)

We should never extradite ANYONE back to Aruba without a "Quid Pro Quo".
[/quote]

hey wreck, we have 'em on the record saying they adhere to the extradition treaties. I wonder how they will try to spin that when the time arises, should it....

just wondering.. is this person Debbie, Greta's make-up girl. That has to be the worst job in all of broadcasting. LOL

Kinda looks like Debbie.

I believe that is her...It would be easy to tell if she turned around as the boob job would confirm it  ::MonkeyRoll::
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Since it's friday and it is slow..I think we are in need of a little Humor... Happy TGIF everyone!   ::MonkeyWink::

Pet Diary

DOG DIARY


8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!

9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!

9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!

10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!

12:00 pm - Lunch! My favorite thing!


1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!

3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!

5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!

7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!

8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with my people! My favorite thing!

11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!


CAT DIARY

Day 983 of my captivity. My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre
little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength. The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.



In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomited on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had
hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a 'good little hunter' I am. Bastards!



There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was
placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of 'allergies.' I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.



Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my
tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this
again tomorrow -- but at the top of the stairs.


I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches.
The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously +++++++. The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicating with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now...

Funny *******, good little story.

As for Debbie, I see she is feeding a banana to Mico (that was his name right?).. so, it must be Debbie. The owners were gone, it must have been someone from Greta's crew.

Hopefully that monkey escaped and is back in Brazil dancing the nights away. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think this is Greta's team feeding the monkey

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20VDS%20Home/02.jpg)

"Make-up girl"???? -- As we approach the Kentucky Derby, let's use the proper title --- "Groomer."

Hi Peaches, laughter is the best medicine, and hopefully you are feeling better everyday.  :flower:

good one wreck, ya know, Greta is the easiest person to dress. Boy's size 6 blue blazer, Junior boys size 4 khaki pants, boys size 4 docksider shoes. There ya go, all dressed and ready go roll!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Letter: Why no charges in Holloway case?

 
Published on Friday, April 25, 2008


Dear Sir:

Again and still the question is asked by thousands: "Why have there been no charges in Aruba over the disappearance of Natalie Holloway?" Why does Joran Van der Sloot continue to walk free and do his partying when he has confessed to failing to render aid to Natalie when she was obviously in acute danger or, worse, he gave her drugs that pushed her into a coma when combined with alcohol thus causing her death. Why did he dump her body instead of calling for aid? He didn't want the drugs in her system to be found is the obvious answer.

Is there no law at all on Aruba? Is there no one that cares? Why haven't the parents and the young man been made to answer questions and account for what happened? It is entirely possible that Joran's father was the person that dumped her body in the deep ocean where it lies today. Is this man and family so powerful that they are above the laws of Aruba and the laws of decency?

Aruba's citizens need to cry out for a resolution of this matter. It has gone on long enough and Aruba will continue to be boycotted until this matter is resolved. Surely this is not what this tiny island needs for tourism is a big business. I won't step a foot on this island ever and I travel extensively and rest assured Aruba will pay a huge price for the lackluster investigation and the continued and obvious absence of legal process for a young man that seems to be above the law.

The world is still watching.

Marona Hewitt,
Rockwall
Texas, USA
 
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-7380--7-7--.html

It's our baby-boo's mommy san... but that ain't her best side.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/uuu.png



course... I'm sure, that is all dependin' upon whom you talk to!


 ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyWink::

Joran's new roomate at Den Dolder!


oh, stud muffin.


(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/carpehumor/ACEANDGARYjbo.png)

Makes me wish I was her horse!!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Hello Monkeys,
I have come out of lurking to say, I couldn't have said it better than this!!   Thanks for sharing this with us Klaas.   After years now of waiting on justice to finally prevail, here we are still waiting for this case to be solved, and closure for Dave and Beth.   I am very happy that the  "confession" of Joran, has brought the case back into focus.    Someone mentioned in a previous post that perhaps the VDS parents are distancing themselves from Joran because they have been quiet lately.   I agree with this, after everything was calming down for them and the Island (at least they thought), Joran once again let his arrogance and ignorance trip him up.  Perhaps Paulus DID cut him off money wise because of the "confession" and Joran is earning his drug and party$ by pulling stunts such as the most recent one, with the internet "friendship".   
Aruba was hoping to get over all of this and bring tourism back to their one crappy Island.    I also imagine that everyone contributing to the whole cover up (especially the parents of Joran) assumed that Joran would do the natural and normal thing and remain quiet and be thankful it was looking like he "got away" with everything.  I imagine they thought and expected their son to live a different lifestyle than the one that got him into all this to begin with, and he would behave himself.   I would guess the reality of having a psychopathic son may have shocked them into silence, OR, they are recovering and scheming how to get him out of it once again.    They are not doing that boy a favor raising him to think he is above the law and not making him take responsibility for his actions.   He's just growing into a bigger and more evil monster.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Boycott Aruba!

KLOWE   

 

Welcome, KLOWE!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Klowe, and welcome!

In the absence of major discussion lately it's nice to see a first time poster. I hope it's certainly not your last post. Posting is easy and fun. And if you have a big mouth like me you'll never shut up!!! LOL ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do agree with you in most of your post, except the parts about the Van der Sloots. In my opinion, they are just as guilty, if not more so. They did nothing to resolve this situation and that of course leads me to believe it's all about Paulus, the man with no time line or alibi.

It can not be resolved without him being charged. So the case will languish. Well, at least until Bram rips him apart on the stand during the civil case. My hopes are that the scope of discovery will not be limited. I can only hope as I know that these judges are crooked.

When Paulus is compelled to answer all questions and not throw out the "I don't recall" . .  only then will we get to the truth. I'm very interested to see if he too throws Joran under the bus to protect himself. When he starts answering questions I think most are going to be shocked at what really happened to Natalee.

Natalee deserves better than she has received from everyone in a position of authority.

jmbm = just my big mouth  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lol, i'm going to run my big mouth and say that there's no way paulus is going to tell the truth about what he knows just because he's under oath.  these are not honorable people we're dealing with here.  and aruba really expects them to lie to protect themselves because that's just the way it is on the island of the pariahs of the caribbean.
dennisintn

Hi ya Dennis, let him lie. Just more reasons to have a boycott. Nothing but the truth helps Rooba at this point. I expect him to lie. We will know if he is lying or not and that will fuel more discussion, more people becoming aware and countless hours on the MSM.. so, good let him lie. And his wife is a terrible liar too. So I hope she lies her fat ass off.

I'm sure that Bram will have the necessary facts to refute his their lies.

I hope one of the Sloots has a nervous breakdown on the stand... that would be the icing on the cake. Really I would pay good money to see Jug vs Paulus in a death match.

another point I am sure Bram will bring up when confronting Paulus.

Bram : Mr. van der Sloot, I need remind you that you are under oath and a conviction on one count of perjury will get your sweat ass dis-barred.

Wonder how Paulus will feel then?

That razor blade is sharp and slippery. Paulus need to perform the ulitmate balancing act. One slip up and it's over for Paulus.

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?". ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi Wreck and Rob,
I know I am new to most of you, but I feel like I know most of you monkeys personally.   I lurked and even posted a couple of times in the beginning, but then I did disappear off and on, for fear of no justice for Natalee and her family  and also out of disgust over the many very obvious discrepancies of the case.    I didn't post a lot due to most of the time I read the discussion, I was also at work and unable to participate much.   I have a big mouth, no doubt about that!  lol 

Rob, I agree wholeheartedly with Paulus being guilty in this.   I don't know exactly to what extent, but at least probably helping dispose of the body and covering and lying for Joran.   I won't deny that I have also wondered if Nat was suppose to be brought to Paulus personally that night since the the casino video shows him sitting at a table with Nat.   It is a possibility and you have to wonder what he might of been up to with Anita being out of town.   I know the idea is creepy, but who knows what they are truly capable of.
There has been recent discussion on the searching of the VDS house, and I have always thought, innocent people do NOT refuse search of their home.   They should actually WANT to be cleared of suspicion by allowing it as far as I am concerned.   Only the guilty would refuse search, and try to hide what might be there.   Innocent folks cooperate in situations like this.   Later on, we see pics of a furniture truck at the VDS home.   We hear about new cement work done around the pool area.   VERY suspcious!!
Also when the Bama group first arrived in Aruba looking for Nat and went to the VDS house, innocent people would not be so defensive and rude to parents who were looking for their missing daughter, who was last seen in the company of his son.   And didn't Joran say he didn't even know who she was when they first showed him her picture?   To me THAT was the dead giveaway that something just wasn't right in Aruba at all.   Of course then we began hearing the many changing stories of what happened and where they left Natalee.

I didn't mean to insinuate the parents innocence, what I was thinking is, the parents were maybe hoping they had all got away with this, and then Joran had to bring it all up recently with the taped confession.   I figure they wanted it to all die down and go away.   No such luck with the Sporter huh?     I thought possibly after the confession his parents might have become a little disgusted that Joran couldn't keep the secrets and stay quiet.  I am truly hoping this works to our advantage and keeps it in the media to pressure them into solving this once and for all!   The family has been through way too much and enough.

Welcome Klowe! Great to see you posting!

No news on Katysmom...yet.

briany ... I believe that Anita was referring to Joran as "one kind" and the Kalpoes as "two men".

Janet

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

maybe she slipped and really meant - Joran, Paulus and a third mystery, yet unidentified, man.

I know it seems she was saying Joran (kid)... Deepak and Satish (men) but maybe we are reading it too literally.

Hi Briany and Janet,
I too think she was referring to Joran and the Kalpoes, trying her best to make Joran look like the innocent "kid" not capable of being involved in the crime.   Notice what she says about him being shy and not liking the media attention, well you can't tell he is shy now.

Also, notice the time frame of when she is supposedly making this observation.   She says "when she arrived back from Holland, on Weds, but at this point of the investigation, ALE was focusing on the 2 security guards, not her son and the bro's.   So it is almost like she is admitting the truth of what happened without realizing it, if you know what I mean?   It wasn't until 10 or so days later that the investigation really turned to the true culprits.

Klowe, all great points and I certainly share your sentiments. Remember Joran said they did go to his house at 1:40 am... so that's not conjecture on any of our parts. They were there. And then he said they went to the beach at 1:50 am. I personally don't believe they ever left that house on Montanja. All indications point directly to Montanja.

All they needed was uncle Jan to cook the cell records and viola!!!

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back...<snipped>

This is in reference to Paulus running from the media to the small gray car that Klaas has apply named Sweatymanrunning.

I'm almost positive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
<snipped>
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

How hard is this on you and your husband? Is there a way to describe it?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. No way to describe it. I sometimes am desperate. I scream. Sometimes I'm very quiet. We talk a lot. It affects him very much.

VAN SUSTEREN: He's quiet?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

<snipped>

you know, they always say to becareful of the quiet ones.

Ah yes, you are correct again Rob, the "shy" part was in reference to Paulus at this time.  I remember this now seeing the info you posted.   I remember him hiding behind a bush or something too lol     Again, NOT the way an innocent person behaves hmm?   Only the guilty have something to hide.

from SM at the time

http://tinyurl.com/5tdolk

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT.


cached page of SM
http://tinyurl.com/5knha5

there are comments about him running here, but they are not coming up highlighted.

I only saw it once and I barely remember but I could have sworn Jossy said on TV that the rumored phone call from NH came from Montajna

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?". ::MonkeyConfused::




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she was talking about her l7 yr. old sporter and the kalpoe's, both over l8.  just anita's subtle way of saying, if there's a fault here, it must have been the elders leading her precious sporter astray.
dennisintn

Yes, that was a nass find.  j/b

The strike on Aruba is over

http://www.nu.nl/news/1542878/36/Staking_Aruba_voorbij.html
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3876698/_Staking_Aruba_voorbij__.html
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4601/5

Well, his faces seems broken out in the same spots.  Even with the picture mirroed.  jackb

Could this count as switching places?

Hi *******, thanks for the welcome    ::MonkeyCool::

I remember something about this too, but I am not sure if it was speculation, suspected, or if it was proven.  I don't remember where it originated from though.   You would think something like that would have been easily verifid by phone records, either from the VDS home line, or if that was hidden or covered up, perhaps records on the receiving phone?

Which phonecall? The first phonecall from Joran to one of the brothers containing the message urgent?
If you go home after an evening out is it normal to send your friends those kind of messages afterwards? Did they do that more ofter or was this only special for this night?

It was also very busy with the computers etc. in the house of VdS that night. Everybody was very busy.

Strange.

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.
  When Palus let Joran sit in the tournament for him that seems to be switching places.  j/b

Old letter from Caribbeabnetnews.com
::::snickering:::: ::MonkeyRoll::


LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Some Holloway hoaxsters unravelled
Friday, August 11, 2006

Dear Sir:


Thank you for your recent coverage of the two recent court decisions, one awarding damages to Mr Paulus van der Sloot for unwarranted detention, and another dismissing a Holloway-family suit initiated in New York State against Paulus and Joran van der Sloot, which sought monetary damages for the vanishing of the missing Natalee Holloway.

The internet and entertainment news media fueled a frenzy of sensationalism which spawned many anti-Dutch, anti-Aruba, anti-van der Sloot websites and eventually culminated in some US states' governments declaring a boycott against travel to the sovereign country of Aruba.

One website, which counts among its contributors two individuals who have written hundreds and hundreds of defamatory anti-Aruba and anti-Dutch articles on its site and on various anti-Dutch, anti-Aruba hate sites, recently offered up its contributors' posting records for review and analysis.

This review proved conclusively that a small cadre of Internet posters, sending messages from a select number of unique and readily identifiable Internet Protocol addresses, used a plethora of log-in names from intercheangable locations to flood that website with defamatory misinformation.

There is no reason to believe that this is unique to this one website; individual posters on other Holloway-related sites have posted as many as 8,000 messages since the last weeks of March, 2006, and writing styles and content, easily recognizable, suggest that there is a contingent of posters who seemingly spend their days, almost full-time, filling the Internet with messages designed to keep the interest alive and the traffic to various sites up.

What has been done to analyze the postings to this one website should be done by them all: follow the boiler room-type posters and you'll follow the money, and likely solve the mystery of the without-a-trace vanishing in the process.

Dayo Gould
Vancouver, BC

Welkom Klowe  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Klaas

Could you drop over to Shango III and answer a question for me?  TIA

Jack, maybe Joran left and Paulus stayed???? that would be switching places also. I believe that is Paulus on that video in the casino. Maybe Paulus stated it backwards, meaning Joran left and Paulus remained behind. If we ever see the rest of that video we will know conclusively.

Considering Beth did not mention this cell message in LOVING NATALEE as the reason for the 1:30 gas station meeting with Charles Croes ... I speculate that we have not heard the last of this issue.  Following the release of LOVING NATALEE ... Beth implied to Dana Pretzer that there may be another book forthcoming pertaining to "The Evidence".

Janet

++++++++++++ 


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta
June 30, 2005
 
C. CROES: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006

15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM

There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 42

Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

This is about the 30th of May:


So in the weekend when the mother was away, Paulus did not have to stay home for the kids?  ::MonkeyConfused::

I agree Janet. It's been said that (those) call(s) do not exist. I have a feeling that is something for a later day. jmo...

if she knows the phone number and the origin . . . ==> checkmate.

something makes Paulus sweat and it isn't the fact that he thinks Natalee is coming back to refute their stories.

Paulus told he left early, so seeing him on the video with Natalee can be declared by seeing this is either an illusion or a double.

Paulus has probably a lot of doubles on Aruba.  :smt120

omg.. Janet you just sparked my memory. Remember when the call came into Jug's house early in the am and he let it go to the answering machine?? the call where he said is sounded like a little child?

I bet you that those on Aruba all had the home number of Jug's house and placed a few calls to make it appear that Natalee was alive and in hiding or in Venezuela. Just to deflect attention from it's rightful place and keep Beth in agony.

I wouldn't put that past a POS like Renfro.

briany
I fixed it
 ::MonkeyHaHa::
don't mind me, I'm robo posting today, I'll wear myself out eventually  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance::

The lull before the storm ...

private eye
Scared Monkey

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #249 on: April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM »

hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune:)))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692;topicseen#msg371692

I will check later but ... I believe you are confusing calls.  The message that sounded like children in the background was received around the time of Katrina.  IIRC Dave later confirmed that it was him who made the call to Jug and Beth's residence but ... hung up when the voice messaging came on.  However ... prior to disconnecting his little girls were recorded in the background saying "Mommy ...".

Janet

I would really like to know positively one way or the other if the younger VDS boys were at home or in Holland with Anita.  This post is in the archives, I don't know the source of Widget's information; but I'll believe Widget before I'll believe Paulus.  JMO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.600

 Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007
« Reply #604 on: May 30, 2007, 12:00:20 AM » 

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Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
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Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI ..............

O/T   Update on Katysmom in lounge.

something up???

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ok, I'll take your word for it. I must have missed that. well, that would explain that...

I'm still holding Renfro responsible . . . . ?why not? he he he

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Before aruba disappeared Natalee.........

from:caribbeannetnews.com


Four Colombians dead, 17 missing in waters near Aruba
Wednesday, March 16, 2005
BOGOTÁ, Colombia (AFP): Four Colombian migrants died and another 17 people went missing as they tried to reach the Caribbean island of Aruba in a boat that set out from Venezuela, authorities said Tuesday.

Colombia's consul on the island, Ventura Diaz, told local media the boat set out late Saturday from Puerto Fijo, Venezuela, with 20 undocumented Colombian migrants and two Venezuelans on board.

Diaz said that when authorities spied them the Colombians jumped overboard apparently, fatally, believing they were in shallower water.

The 17 missing included two suspected Venezuelan smugglers. A Colombian survivor said that a Venezuelan smuggler charged the migrants, mostly from Valle department, 250 dollars per person to take them to Aruba.

Anita lies.

She was not surprised, when she arrived on Aruba.  She was notified by Paulus, in Holland, that Joran was the last one with Natalee.

She stated this two times: in a Libelle interview, in June 2007 and again in the P&W interview.

HannieC  Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:28 am  ( Translated by me)

Ik heb hier het interview dat Anita heeft gegeven aan Libelle een aantal weken geleden;

I have here the interview that Anita has given at Libelle a number soak ago

.....

“Twee jaar geleden, in mei, werd mijn oma negentig jaar. Ik was in Nederland om haar verjaardag te vieren. Kort voor ik weer terug zou keren naar Aruba, belde mijn man Paul me op en vertelde dat op Aruba een meisje werd vermist. En hij zei erbij: ‘Schijnbaar is Joran de laatste geweest die met haar samen was.’ Er ging onmiddellijk van alles door mijn hoofd, allerlei gedachten streden om voorrang. Heel verwarrend vond ik het dat er ook dingen in me opkwamen als: Potverdorie, zondagavond is hij dus blijkbaar uit geweest. Wij wisten van niets, hij moest het huis uit zijn geslopen.”

Two years ago, in May, my grandmother became ninety year.  I was in the Netherlands her birthday to celebrate.  Short for I prevent back would turn to Aruba, rung my man Paul me on and told that on Aruba a girl was missed.  And he said with it:  'Seeming is Joran the last one been that with her together was.'  There immediately of everything through my head, all sorts of thoughts priorities fought went.  Quite confusingly found I it that it also compete in me came up as:  Potverdorie, Sunday evening is been he thus apparently out.  We knew had to be demolished by nothing, he it house out."


P & W by EuroRobert

Witt.: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: Yes that indeed I’ve thought for a moment… Because… Joran leaving a girl behind at the beach… That’s impossible because we allways say: Walk up with a girl when you lead her out by the door… So we didn’t bring him up like that and I then was furious at him, both of us were. So for a short while I thought that something could have happened…

Witt.: With alcohol and drugs maybe? …

Anita: Maybe. Well… With drugs… no… But alcohol… Those doubts were there for a while when I was in Holland but there I thought that the girl would soon show up again. But after three days it all became very worrying


If the little Sloots were on Aruba, I believe that two lawyers flew to Aruba with Anita.  They knew Joran was in deep trouble.

When Anita made a comment that "there were adults there", I believe she was referring to Deepak and Satish. Her way to control them.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi everyone,

Popping in to see where we are at this point... I have been so very, very busy but that might just change a little bit in the near future...

I see we have a good explanation for ONE of the calls to Jugs phone machine... makes perfect sense to me.

Everyone doing OK? Can you all believe we are nearly at the 3-YEAR mark. Wow.

Yes, I am .99 percent that is palus on that video as I uncovered the mess they placed over his face.  The admin her posted what I uncovered one time.  Thought maybe you saw it.   Jackb

HI SB... don't over work yourself my friend.

and great to see you.

Jack I did see it and I think it was terrific. And TJ Ward told me emphatically that is Paulus. We also have the quotes ******* posted a lil while back from Jossy and others.

That's Paulus.

That would make more sense.  Everything they say, just go in the opposite direction and get more of the truth.  Jackb

 I wish That I saved this link

According to Matt, the phone call was made Sunday morning in the early AM, and due to the date they first mistook it for a call the night Natalee disappeared, which would have been Monday, in the AM, if I stated that correctly. It was a valid call, only it was the night before Natalee disappeared.

When I called the Monday when Beth was first notified that Natalee was missing, I called 3 FBI locations, Wahington DC, and then a neighboring island, I can't spell it but it was Car? where we have a US office. This was about 1:00PM Monday or so, and one of those offices explained that we had no presence in Aruba, but that we happened to have a US agent there of some kind, I really can't remember the exact type, but that they would contact him, advise him of the situation, I told them that a chaperone was still there, and they assured me he would be ables to assist Beth. This was before Beth even got to Birmingham, she was outside of Memphis.

That is why I have always thought this guy was legit, because I expected him to be there. To be honest, I didn't talk to Beth personally before she got to Aruba, I was left a message with my family, and I didn't talk to her for some time after she got to Aruba.

Was it ever proven Anita was ever out of town?  She is up to her see through blouse in this one way or the other.  Everything she has said about Joran has been shown to be a lie.  Why would she be gone at that time of the year and being a teacher?  I seriously doubt it.  Anita can lie with the best of them.       jackb

The following article reveals the "new" evidence that was gathered but ... charges were dependent on at leased one of the suspect's confessing.  Did Hans Mos really think that Joran, Deepak or Satish would jeopardize their freedom by talking.  Logic dictates that there were underlying reasons that Joran, Deepak and Satish were detained in November, 2007 and ... those reasons had nothing to do with "new" evidence.

I speculate that the detainment of Joran, deepak and Satish had everything to do with the impending Peter Devries/Patrick van der Eem video recording.

Janet

+++++++++++++ 

Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- In an Internet chat shortly after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba, one of the three main suspects in the case said the Alabama teenager was dead, the island's chief public prosecutor told CNN on Thursday.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, Hans Mos said.

New technology that was not available to authorities in 2005 was utilized to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects as well as others, he said.

Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects -- Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- behind bars. Mos' office said Tuesday they will not prosecute the three in Holloway's disappearance.

But his office also said the case is not closed, rather that it has now entered "a new phase" with four Aruba detectives still working on it, looking for new evidence.  Watch a report on the case »

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

Other chats occurring before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway's death or how she died. "If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now," Mos said.

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their rearrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.  See a timeline of how the case has developed »

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three youths. She failed to show up for her flight home the following day, and her packed bags were found in her hotel room.

All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.

In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba's Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.

All three have maintained their innocence in Holloway's disappearance. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That's why, he said, his office went to the expense of extraditing van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after rearresting him in November -- out of hopes that he might talk.

"You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up," he said.

Mos said that when the three youths were rearrested, he asked an attorney for Holloway's divorced parents, Beth and Dave Holloway, to tell them not to get their hopes up too high, as this was not "the final breakthrough" in the case.

And on December 1, Mos said, he and others in his office had "a very good talk" with the Holloways.

"Sometimes I got the impression that we aren't on the same side," he said. "That sort of disturbed me, and I think they should know that we are just as much dedicated to solving this case as they want us to be, and I cannot come up with the results. I wish I had. I feel very sorry."

He acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and rearresting them may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot.

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

"And that's exactly what we did. I'd rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened."

He said his office remains determined to find out the truth. "We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now."

Although Mos' decision not to prosecute the case means that under Aruban law, the three cannot legally be considered suspects, Mos said they remain persons of interest.

In interviews, he said, van der Sloot and his father have indicated they know more than previously said about what happened to Holloway, but are not willing to divulge it, giving authorities "reason to believe that their last and final story is simply not the complete story."

Authorities have found no indication that anyone else could have been involved in Holloway's disappearance -- but also have no evidence to show a crime was committed, or what crime that might have been, he said.

If Holloway's death was an accident, as some evidence suggests, Mos said he doesn't understand the need to cover it up -- or why someone didn't simply call 911 and report it the night it happened.  "That's an indication there is more at hand than just an accident," he said, "but what it was, and who was involved, I don't have evidence."

Van der Sloot's American attorney, Joe Tacopina, has criticized Mos for suggesting his client was involved in Holloway's disappearance if he does not have evidence to back that up.

In response, Mos said that if van der Sloot were tried and acquitted, double jeopardy would attach and he never could be tried again.  Just because he decided not to prosecute, he said, doesn't mean "there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest."

Tacopina has declared his client is innocent. "That's quite funny," Mos said, "because he wasn't there on the 30th of May. Neither was I. He should ask his client."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/

Hello Rob and jackb Just a thought, its possible that when Joran and Paulus sat down at that table and they may have activated  a credit line. If its a modern casino the pit boss would have recorded their pay activity even if they used cash just maintain there joint account.

How did Anita know to say "Joran left her on the beach" when Palus "called" as that lie never came out until later I believe.  Of course this talk (last part) could have been later.   Jackb

Hi Kiwi, I would imagine a scenario like you have described would involve a pit-boss and a floor manager. Someone has to give that kind of O K. And if someone did, that starts the chain of events that led to the situation that we now see. They would also then hold financial responsibility. They would could be liable.

In my mind there are two entities that hold a good deal of responsibility. The Excelsior and Carlos and Charlie's. In cases in Holland, as we have heard, there is not a lot money a victim can claim. But I have a sneaky suspicion that if either entity operates in the US they could be subject to US Federal law. So, we will see.

CnC operates in the US and is a great target.

It appears that in Aruba ... as long as you can get rid of a body ... justice for the victim remains forever elusive.

Janet

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December 20, 2007
Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says

Although Mos' decision not to prosecute the case means that under Aruban law, the three cannot legally be considered suspects, Mos said they remain persons of interest.

In interviews, he said, van der Sloot and his father have indicated they know more than previously said about what happened to Holloway, but are not willing to divulge it, giving authorities "reason to believe that their last and final story is simply not the complete story."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/

I do not believe any of them were in Holland that time of the year.
I believe Anita's alibi needs to be broken.   j/b

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

Make that 99 percent.  Not a dot in front of it.  LOL  got cobwebs.
Jackb

Jack -
I can't say whether he saw those or not. I could forward them, but I don't think he really needs to see them. I think he has his own info and knows in his heart what is what.

I, along with everyone else would love to see the images you have referred. I bet Carpe would love to see those. He's the resident Hubbletelescope ya know ::MonkeyHaHa:: This guy has an eye, actually he has two  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The best thing to do is to just post 'em and let it fly. I really doubt anyone's feeling will be hurt and I hope that if you have something you'll share it with the rest of us who have given so much time to see this through.

Rob I find it interesting that they would give up security camera pictures, but not more pictures and records kept at the tables. Instead only a bad picture of those sitting at the table. Extremely low resolution, verse software for finding persons counting or cheating. From the look of the pictures we have its definitely not state of the art like the cameras in Vegas, or these are not the Hi Resolution ones that they actually use.

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

I have these for just such a question...danki

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looks pretty state of the art to me and more than enough to meet the challenges of this case.

and a couple of tards free of charge

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So is Paulus a ghost or are there any pictures of him smiling at the cameras? Or do the powers that be have all the video in a time capsule?

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

In November, 2007 ... Hans Mos said one claim regarding the evidence ... it was compelling.  Less than one month later ... Hans Mos was relaying another claim ... detentions were a "long shot".

Hans Mos fails to comprehend why the family of Natalee Holloway is skeptical regarding the investigation into the disappearance of their beloved Natalee.  Could it possibly be the mixed messages of hope which were forthcoming from this prosecutors lips ... the mixed message of hope that crushes the spirit?

Janet

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NOVEMBER, 2007 - COMPELLING EVIDENCE?
 
Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


Hans Mos
On the Record with Greta
November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why?  The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.  

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new materiaL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Hans Mos
CNN
November 30, 2007

Mos has told CNN he believes authorities have enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead, even if her body is never found. He has suggested her death was an accident.

The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


DECEMBER, 2007 - A LONG SHOT

December 20, 2007
Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says

He acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and rearresting them may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot.

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/


... AND HANS MOS DOES NOT UNDERSTAND??

December 20, 2007
Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says

And on December 1, Mos said, he and others in his office had "a very good talk" with the Holloways.

"Sometimes I got the impression that we aren't on the same side," he said. "That sort of disturbed me, and I think they should know that we are just as much dedicated to solving this case as they want us to be, and I cannot come up with the results. I wish I had. I feel very sorry."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/


HANS MOS ... PLEASE LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART TO THE MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

Beth Twitty
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null

Page 11 I'll be back later to see what Jackb puts up. Thanks Rob for the photos of the casino security. Where definitely missing some of those pieces of this cases.

I see Rob has found some more info in a LOT of areas that touch on our case, looking back to the last thread.

There can be NO question that Aruba is in up to the hilt with clandestine activities of all kinds... the Mena connections are ringing lots of bells with me.

Rob, buddy, I fully understand too that it ain't all on one side of the aisle, if you know what I mean.

On another tack here... what on EARTH would Joran want to go to Thailand for? Think that one through... he's a COLLEGE kid, yet he flies all over the globe. Who is buying this plane tickets? And for WHAT? Follow the Money.

If that had been the Maarten who we first researched as the porno queen of the Orient LOL, back in the early days of the case, who Joran had visited- that would be too brazen for words, and would make crystal clear what the nexus of illicit activities related to the case is. That would have been almost like an in-your-face-Monkeys move for Joran to go meet with the guy who we outed as the perverted American/Dutch ex-military yahoo who flaunts his appetites for young girls.

But if not the same guy... for what reason does Joran go all the way to the Far East to see this man, when he is supposed to be in an institute in Holland being treated for mental disorders? The cost of the flight itself would have offset the "financial help" this Marten guy promised. Ever heard of a wire transfer?

JVDS is the weirdest character on this planet. At best.

At worst, one shudders to think what monstrous things he is involved in.

I fixed it,  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 and agree with all your thoughts. Great to see you again sb.

"Your own Father" I believe is one of the biggest clues in this case besides the Supreme Court ruling that he had two contact with Natalee and picked her and joran both up at 4AM. I think it has been obvious that the 10 year old lil bro was not home and Paul VDS was drinking alcohol,gambling and sitting next to Natalee Holloway when he claimed to leave 2 hours earlier. I don't know how the Zeola's and others can live with themselves giving false alibi's for killers of a murdered teen. No reason to lie about meeting Natalee twice,sitting next to her at the casino,picking her and joran up at 4am and going to the bank the next day if he was not directly involved in the events before,during and after her dissapearance.

The casino screen shots resolution is just fine. What is not fine is the deliberate act of concealing Paul Van De Sloots identity by blocking out his face. The initial crime of what they did to Natalee was premeditated and Paul Van Der Sloot is most definetly involved.

Why lie about sitting next to Natalee Holloway and having the need to create a false alibi if she dissapeared 5 hours later?
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

Giving Anita the benefit of the doubt (Did I say that?) ... her words "in the beginning" in the Pauw and Witteman interview regarding Natalee being left at the beach could have been referring to late June when Joran officially changed story.  It must be considered the the Pauw and Witteman interview was 2 1/2 years following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I could be wrong.

Janet

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Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008  
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...
 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  While the father of Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old held in Aruba, was himself arrested Thursday, the teenager's mother said her son has changed the story he initially gave police.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, first told police that they dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now tells a different story. Joran now admits to being alone with Natalee on a beach but insists he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

Why, in Holland, would she be concerned that Joran was the last with Natalee??  At that time, supposedly, the belief was that three amigoes dropped Natalee at her hotel.  Supposedly they had no idea of Joran being the last anything or about the beach.  They knew the real story...IMO..

Beth know the truth.  In all probability the Mountain Brook students confirmed that to her the Paulus was at the black jack table with them on the evening of May 29, 2005.  Think about it ... Beth's words to Rita Cosby regarding a Paulus/Natalee encounter occurred six months prior to the casino video recording revealing Natalee conversing with an "older" man.

I wonder if Steve Cohen ever got back to Rita Cosby with his take on the video recording.

Janet

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THE MAN IN THE CASINO VIDEO

Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT.  (Whatley 302)


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


John Q. Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY … John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?
 
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her. And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Kimberly Guilfoyle
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

GUILFOYLE: .... As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY: You know, Steve, have you heard these claims that, in this video—there’s this surveillance video that we saw in the casino that was showed a while back—that Paulus Van Der Sloot may be in the casino actually even talking to Natalee. And what we just heard from John, it doesn’t sound like that was asked of him before, if he actually even engaged in some conversation with her that night.

COHEN: I have to say that, unfortunately, I have not had a chance to view that tape. I’ve been in transit in the last 24 hours. Once I get a look at it, I think I’ll be able to give you a better comment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

Exactly...I gave her the benefit of the doubt, in the Labelle interview...but she then repeated her thoughts regarding Joran, while she was in Holland...very clear both times....she was worried when she was called, by Paulus....(probably not nearly as worried as when Joran called her that night...IMO).

Buckeye ... when you consider Deepak and Satish's May 31, 2005 witness statements ... I believe that the Marriott Beach story was revealed at the getgo.  Joran must have told the beach story and implicated Deepak and Satish in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement.  So ... it stand to reason that Anita may have slipped up.  However ... In the P&W interview ... I am not convinced that her was reference to "leaving Natalee at the beach" was when she was still in Holloand.

Hey ... I could be wrong ... story of my life.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet.

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Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.
 

Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

Hi Dayhiker  ::MonkeyCool:: You are 100% correct! Until I see proof other then Van Der Stratens cell phone triangulation done in crayon..It all went down in that house! If they were innocent,they would have gladly let them search that house immediately,instead of blocking the search 17 days later on the spot and then denying a search until two years later.

Janet: I believe at least one of Natalee's friends can identify Paul at the table and most likely did. It appears to me that Natalee is pointing at Joran when she is talking to Paul and Natalee's friend is pointing at Paul after Joran talks to him. They probably didn't identify themselves as Father and Son but I think the kids knew they knew each other..MO

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http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3922731&affil=wlne

The adults in Joran's life have failed him miserably.  He has been  taught by authority that the moral and legal boundaries which  define a civilized society ... moral and legal boundaries which are established for his benefit and the benefit of others ... do not apply to him.

If these valuable lessons of life had been learned and embraced by Joran van der Sloot ... Natalee Holloway would be celebrating life and her family would have been spared three years of H---.

Janet

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John Q. Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 3, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: ... And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.
 
You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.  

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

******* ... I believe once Paulus' image began appearing in the media ... those Mountain Brook students would were at the black jack table with Natalee would be able to identify him.  There was the Greta/Beth interview with VDS' ... the picture of Paulus driving himself to prison ...

IMO

Janet

Had to be a great deal of forensic evidence to do that Dayhiker. Pouring concrete when you and your son are suspected of murder and kidnapping is very suspicious. Even the guy that prepped the pouring was suspicious and nervous. It's not like they were only worried about fibers,pubic hairs or fluids just in that main building or other bldg/bedrooms. Natalee was in that main house and outside and she left a great deal of forensic evidence.

This has to be the place something bad happened or it happened elsewhere and they brought her home immediately. Since they blocked so much of the property inside and poured concrete outiside I think it all happened there.

And those would be.........?

Jackb.... are you absolutely CERTAIN that the FBI has your pics??

There is only the one of Palus from the original posted before people got to messing with them that I took the sign off his face.  Admin here already posted it awhile back.   jackb

No, I have not given them to any one except the Admin of BFN and Some here.  Some of them may have gotten to the investigators, but unless the people receiving them bring them down in the right program they will not come down or if they do not know how to run the computer enough to copy and past the graphics frome-mail into their graphic programs, they will not be able to see them.   Jackb

Well, I guess you know what I'm thinking .... PLEASE submit them yourself!!!!

JackB,
what admins on Scared Monkeys did you send these pictures to?  I haven't know Klaas, or Red too with hold helpful pictures, so I am confused ::MonkeyNoNo:: We certainly have seen lots of pictures of plastic bags in various formats.  bring them on if you have them, and let us decide for ourselves. thanks.

Sorry I missed this one, would you mind posting it again?  thanks

If the phots are brought down in Paint, they will not be able to be seen as there are so many colors, etc.  J-Peg.  Sometimes pictures have to be put in paint and transferred to an image or scanning program and then transferred to something like Paint Shop Pro before they can be saved.
Jackb

I would like to post the ones showing GVC's reflection in a beer bottle, resized and clear enough to recognize him appearing to have a gun and
a slight fire like a gun would make and some small hearts showing someone with this design was on the other side of the beer bottle and the picture was taken as the bullet was coming out of the gun.  I do not post in photobucket for my own reasons.  If Rob wants to e-mail me and get the picture I will send it to him to post with a history of where I got it, etc.
Some may disagree as beer bottles make a slight distortion, but I figure with the proper equipment the feebes could make it clear as day.  It is that good.  It was tiny, very tiny and I got it and cut this part out and worked on it and resized it, etc.  There is nothing "photoshoped" about it.  I do not do that.  Bluebear@rjia.net               Jackb

This little island has a ungodly amount of traffic accidents and so far this week alone 3 fatalities and already 9 for the year ::MonkeyEek:: If you think you pay a lot for car insurance,just imagine what they paying in Aruba!

Amigoe.com snip

Well-known former soccer player dies in traffic

The traffic on the main road from Oranjestad to San Nicolas has claimed another life. This is the third fatal traffic accident this week.  The total number of fatalities in traffic this year is 9. 

Hi Klaasend,
Was there to be a decision in the Dr. Phil case this week?
Linda

From this top view he looks like he is really Valentijn.  Could be.  They lie so much.  Who would know?  It looked like Valentijn coming in the fron door as well.  If they would let Joran in, they certainly would let Valentijn in.  The casino is being reckless and does not want the authorities in other places to know they are allowing very young people in their place. I guess Joran and Val could have switched places earlier or later.       jackb

Seems to be a part in this boy's hair and possibly a slight double crown, unless it is spots on the pic.  That does not look like the original pic of Pvs behind the sign.  That looks to have been altered.  J/b

Without looking I remember the next hearing was 4/29.  I'll double check that and see if that's the correct date. 

i noticed that too. http://www.24ora.com/ reports multiple accidents daily, some deadly.
for a country that size it must be a very high number.
also many motor cycle accidents.
aruba has a population of 100.000, of course many tourists on top of that.

for the netherlands with 16 million people a deadly car accident is still national news.
have to add that the netherlands has one of the safest roads in europe.
i live in a small city of 50.000, deadly accidents here are very very rare.

haven't got the statistics but aruba seems to have a enormous high number of accidents.

Thanks!!

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
04/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2); {Second} Motion to Dismiss;)

05/06/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Conference-Case Management (2) MTN TO DISMISS3) MTN FOR SUBST. OF PERS. REP.FOR DECEASED DEFT4) MTN FOR STAY OF ORDER5) CASE MANAGEMENT CONF6) OSC RE FTA ON 12/7/07)


https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

Someone may have already posted this but this is the translation of the show where Mart spoke about Joran.  This was posted by Marco and Lazlo at RU:

Marco wrote:
Translation
http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlboulev.....avi_plain.xml

Mart had a 2 year long friendly Internet contact with Joran vd Sloot, and Joran knew how to put Mart in front his cart, and robbed from his account.

In 2006 Mart comes in the HIVES of Joran vd Sloot, he's full of surprise over all the internet hate that Joran receives, Mart decided he would support Joran. (not financially).

Mart: I came in contact with Joran through CRABBLES, and then I said to Joran: How is it with you Joran? Is everything okay with you?
That's how I got in contact with him, that's how we got to talk.

Commentator: For months Mart and his internet buddy talk a lot.

Mart: Joran asked: don't talk to other people about what we talk because than I stop talking with you.

Commentator: The press was saying high and low that Joran was in an institution, but Mart knew better.

Mart: I told Joran: what do I read in "de Telegraaf" are you being threaded? Are you in an institution?
Joran said: Ha ha ha, I accomplished it,
Mart asked Joran: Do you dare tell me where you are?
And you know, you know me, I won't tell anything about you.
Joran told me: of course, you can know everything about me, I'm in Thailand.
They caught me with soft drugs.
By an agent, and it was on a monday,
And before this thursday I have to pay this agent 4000 euro.
Otherwise I might go to jail, I have to pay this, otherwise I do not know what to do.
I said to him: " okay Joran I will pay that for you".
But we have an agreement that I will get that back from you.
Absolutely, Joran said, you don't have to doubt that, I will give it back to you.
Then I wired 1000 euro

Commentator: Through digital Joran tells him he wants to be back in Holland.

Mart: No problem, he said he wants to come to me, I want to live with you, if that's okay.
That's fine, if you want you can be here, take it easy, and eh eh.
Then I want to stay for half a year, and we'll take care that things are good, and then I will pay you everything back.
I said: "that's good.
But then he said "I need a ticket from Hong kong to Holland".

Commentator: Then the good guy decided to give his top secret bank code.

Mart: I had arranged it, I gave him the code, everything.
And then he was from the shet (???) off, and I did not trust that, than it showed that he took out 1500 euro, then I heard nothing anymore.

Commentator: He's poorer and Joran's pic. is still on the wall.

Mart: I have a problem to get rid of that, yes I really should put it in the trash but.......we talked a lot the last two years, you can't just erase that,


Lazlo wrote:
additional, crosstalk after the Marten clip::

De Vries: Seems that a couple of things were not true that we have heard from the press the past weeks, in which it was said that Joran was commited in a mental institution, and his lawyer informed quite slick that he could not confirm nor deny, hereby giving the impression that it was true, and due to which ppl would think ah he is a sad boy there seems to be something wrong with him and so on.
We have known for all that time though that he was in Hong Kong and in Thailand celebreting vacation and so on, and seemingly in need of money he was able to scam 6000 euro's from this man. It all went on a simple naive way if you hear the story of this man, to start with he believed Joran straight from the start that I feel is a little mistake, but also give him his banking codes.

Daphne: That is the bad thing of internet, I mean I don't know this man, he seems like a lonely man, if you build such a bond with someone over the internet, all those pictures, the book filled with pics and everything...

De Vries: Yes and Joran plays into that game.

Van der Linden: If you read that internet traffic, that man is swimming into a trap, because it looks like Joran straight from the start trying to built a relationship with him, and then at some point says I need money.

De Vries: If you have such a pic on the wall, that of course is very telling, but that was no obstacle for Joran to rob his account.

Van der Linden: Does that happen often, a sort of erotic kind of effect to alleged criminals?

de Vries: That is something I think you should look into

-laughter-

Van der Linden: Yes but do you understand what I mean, it is a sort of ...(no idea)...

de Vries: There are also a lot of girls who get a kick out of it to get in touch with Joran. They can hardly wait.

Daphne: Absurd, but these parents of Joran, where are these in this whole picture?

de Vries: Those you do not see you do not hear, this man has send a letter to these parents, I know that and I have yet to see that he will receive a response. I don't believe in that.

Daphne: They are on Aruba.

de Vries: Yes they are on Aruba, and they keep silent like mice.

Van der Linden: If I were that man I would take that pic of the wall.

de Vries: At least.

With 14 percent of their population abusing drugs, including alcohol, and most hanging out on the same side of the island, it is no wonder there are accidents and that does not even include the drunk tourists. If there is 100 K then 14000 drug abusers plus drunk tourists running around.  They need bumper cars.   Jack b

Contact through  CRABBLES.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Caesu,I read the Aruban papers daily and I am absolutely appalled by the number of horrific accidents and the blood and gore shown publicly in the newspaper. The last two months seem to be the worst I have ever seen in Aruba, as it's every bit as bad as looking at crime scene photos. At least in the Awemainta newspaper it is. The accident photo's they showed at the beginning of this week were sickening!

I thought I read the Aruban population was only 70,000 a couple of years ago? No doubt that number did not include time share owners and tourists.

Joran and Martin got in contact through Hyves, this is something like the social networking Myspace of Facebook.
'krabbels', translated is a bit like 'doodles' this means they send eachother short messages through Hyves i suppose.

i can't read it but every single day there are photos of accidents on http://www.24ora.com/

while searching for traffic acidents statistics in comparison with other countries i found this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Aruba

Thank you, caesu....I was being silly....Hyves/Crabbles....mind was wondering into other things........did not mean to disturb the discussion...

Deepak's phone was reported out of minutes.  Where was it when it received phone calls?

Why even take it with you at all? 

Did he lose the phone after that?

Uhhhhhh......... I hope they are washing their hands AFTER changing their underwear. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWink::

How special is that Joran has been doodlying with a 60 yr old gay man for 2 years..Joran likes to have gay friends around him I guess..Even on the internet  ::MonkeyRoll::

The "gay" angle repeatedly finds its way in this story consistently. I have no doubt Joran plays for the "other team."

::MonkeyHaHa::

In the thread at RU about Mart and Joran taking money from him, Luvslalom wrote:

If you are saying that I'm conjuring up in my mind, I do wonder what was on Medleys mind when she paid Joran's airfare home from NL in 2006, a birthday gift, b/c Anita and Paulus couldn't afford to fly Joran home. Check with her. If she was that easy then, she may have been now again, who knows.
Mart and Joran?

I didn't realize Medley was that stupid   ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://solodipueblo.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Solodipueblo.jpg)

Klass same paper 2nd page found article that says College arubiano photos cerculated via cell phone of aruban woman female in 11 different poses done without her permission.  aparently the photos were so they claim retouched to show the female with larger breast than she has.  They are saying it was a joke in poor taste, however the female didint think it was funny and now these photos have been circulated via cell phones all over the island.  Article goies to say someones resignation is up at the school I dont knoe if this means it was a school official who circulated this or not.

sorry couldnot bring article over ots on page 2
looks like theyre up to the same old crap on this misbegotton isle.
No respect for anyone at all. 

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Thanks for the information sandy, yes...same old sick crap and no respect for women especially. 

page 7

Paul retira di klachtencommissie y comision LAR   E-mail 
Friday, 08 February 2008 
EXCLUSIVO DI SOLO DI PUEBLO:
Gobierno a cuminza tuma medida contra Paul 
Paul van der Sloot saca for di Klachtencommissie y comision di LAR
2008-02-08   00:20:23  STA. CRUZ – Na nos mesa di redaccion a yega  e informacion cu abogado Paul van der Sloot a keda  expulsa for di dos comision ya cu e hecho cu el’a pasa su yiu un cellular den KIA ta algo  imperdonabel y castigabel. Minister di Husticia ta lamenta locual a pasa pero ta actua segun ley ya cu no t’asina cu bo ta duna bo yiu un trato preferencial pero un trato castigabel pa ley! Y esaki pasobra bo ta kere bo ta un abogado anto Hulandes!   
 
  translation:
Gevernment continues to take measures against PVDS
we learn Paulus van der sloot is for 2 comissioned crimes that he partook in when he passed a sell phone to his son wheile in the KIA prison. It has been deemed to be punishable by law and unpardonable. the minister of justice laments what has occured but states he must follow the law.  Also giving his son preferential treatment is punishable by law.  He remarks maybe he will want to hire a lawyer from holland to defend him or to go up against a lawyer in holland in this case.  Not sure if the last sentince translation.

This coss Jack(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/index.jpg)

According a poster in Holland Joran's mother was with two childrens in Holland to visit her mother.

Is it a fact that there were 3 VanderSloot tickets?

briany

"Fact" might be a stretch.  During the early discussions, Widget seemed to have an inside connection at KLM.  I believe the three ticket story/fact.  I have no idea who two of the tickets belonged to.  I do know early posts talked of friends of the Sloot's, from Holland.
Sorry I can't be more help.   :smt102

Nothing new but a review of a Hammer review:

Quote from: "the big hammer"
Deepak's "ALIBI" e-mail NAILS IT !!

This is real close, real close.  The attribution is the only question, ie, that this could have been told to deepak afterwards BUT WOW! 

1.  FROM DEEPAK ALIBI E-MAIL

"...afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there..."

2.  FROM SATISH JUNE 13 STATEMENT

"...My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach..."

"How's she doing?"  The correct answer is: "She's on a plane back to the US and it was wheels up about 2-3 hours ago, where've you been?  Asleep?"

They knew it was her last nite.  She was supposed to be on a plane -- but deepak (and Satish?) seems to know she's not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=378.msg53409#msg53409


hmmmmmm

He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach.

Was that the "urgent" phonecall.

About shoes in the middle of the night? ::MonkeyHaHa::

The 'higher power'

Joran has it in his first statement before Patrick on a "higher power" that has helped him. This' higher power 'is in my view imagery for his father. Both literally and figuratively, Paul van der Sloot the higher power and much better able to cool and calculating Joran to tell exactly what needs to be done to address the consequences for Joran to limit. In addition, he served as upcoming court (?) Obviously a good look at the legal aspects and the possible consequences. That his son blame for the death of Natalee for Paul van der Sloot the major motive. It is not inconceivable that not Joran, but Paul eea in a short timeframe has put in the pipeline, and at the direction of Joran on the PC via MSN Joran had to know "to be back home" to Joran's friends. In those few words for the receiving party not to detect Joran actually behind the PC. Idem for downloading these movies. This conversation between father and son Paul Joran may very well through the pay telephone on the beach have been made, it is the "friend" that Joran has called his father, the higher power. After the PC use of Paul who veinsde Joran to be both now have many hours the time for the corpse of Natalee way to work, the alibi's are around.

It is also not very likely that a 'friend' it takes a corpse way to work, it's quite a heavy burden on someone's shoulders. In addition, Joran quite a risk to a "friend" in confidence to take the same money to take this friend equal contact with the police. It also seems unlikely that Joran at his age already has built up sufficient credit in the criminal environment allowing someone else in the same leeftijdcategorie him to take such a risk. He expresses himself against this, in his first statement he has' t namely about a friend who 'much older' is, usually is not someone of 22, seen 't that Joran himself when was 17, there is a much older someone, for example, his father, many plausible.

In short, it's quite possible that Paul Joran van der Sloot in word and deed has assisted. Parents are much more likely to compete in the most bizarre turns to wring their children to be able to protect, it's often based on intuitive act. It is not inconceivable that Joran and his father with the corpse of Natalee to another part of the island are ready to get rid of the corpse. Perhaps there is another soil, eg earth instead. sand, making the dirt on Joran's sparkling white sneakers obviously not consistent with the fact that he has walked home. So the sneakers were an important piece of evidence that argues against the statement that Joran on its own to house it.

I have no doubts regarding Paulus's culpability.

What had happened to Natalee, that both the Kalpoes assumed she did not make her plane?  Why would Satish ask Deepak how "the girl" is?....why even be concerned, if it was a simple drop off at "the beach".  They both know something bad happened and they both know what it is.  They may or may not know the final outcome....but they know it was FINAL for Natalee.  What happened?

Everytime I see those casino pictures I am reminded of a few things -

IIRC, the pictures

What value would those pictures were blurred to protect the innocents in those photos along with the MB group and Joran.

Jug in an interview repeated an event from the first night at the Sloot compound.  Beth said something like "that's him" to which Jug replied, "that's a 45 year old man"   I believe she recognized him as someone in the videos along with the MB group and Joran.

Can anyone see what cards are being played?  What is the value of any recordings from inside a casino if you can't see the detail of what is being done on the gambling tables?  Why take a picture if it is not clear?  I believe there are clear recordings available.

How would you prove anyone is cheating or who was there cheating?

If Sunday night wasn't a happening night at C&C, was it considered a happening night at the casino?

What happened to all those father and son combos Joran reports meeting at the casino?  Are there recordings of the fathers and sons leaving together?

Perhaps the fathers left the son's in the casino and went elsewhere as a group?

It has always seemed odd to me that JVDS/PVDS would me all those father and son combos on a Sunday night in the casino.  Fate?  Habit?

Where were those father and son combos for the following 48 hours?

briany ... are you able to provide a source other that "a poster from Holland" to substantiate the claim that Valentjin and Sabastian were in the Netherlands with Anita and ... three VDS' were on the return flight to Aruba.

I am not saying Valentjin and Sabastian were not in Holland with their mother but ... my research has never reveal any backup regarding this issue.

Think about it ... there are just too many sources who/that could inadvertently expose Paulus and Joran's lies regarding Valentjin and Sabastian being in Aruba while Anita was in Holland.  There is family members in Holland ... members of the Zeola family .... classmates at the school ... bus driver ... airline records ... airline employees ...
 
IMO

Janet

++++++++++++
 
VALENTJIN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At approximately 16.30, I got home and the kids were already home. Because my wife was in the Netherlands I wanted to be home when the kids came home from school.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following.  Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT

Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I  came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...


Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008    
 
(translated from Dutch)

Anita: ... Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?

an example that the dutch parliament can do something.

http://www.nu.nl/news/1543331/11/%27Onbehoorlijk_bestuur_op_Cura%E7ao%27.html

a majority parliament named the governance on Curaçao not good.
this refers to article 43 of the kingdom charter.
this is because of the ISLA oil refinery on Curaçao.
the refinery causes environmental problems.
causes 18 deaths each year and hundreds have health problems on Curaçao.

yesterday Hero Brinkman proposed three motions about the Antilles.
they al got voted away.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_41748.php

1. called for enquiry into the prison system
2. callled for suspension of the kingdom reforms and payment of 2.2 billion euros due to the corruption and lack of good governance.
3. called to stop all payments to the Antilles because it is a corrupt gangsters nest, no good governance, nepotism.
but because the Netherlands is addicted to send money to the Antilles in the future only send money with strict precondition on corruption and sound governance.

maybe this article appears in English here:
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

If security video cameras at black jack table at the Excelsior Casino appear to capture either Valentjin or Paulus ... there should be no guessing involved.  The Mountain Brook students who were with Natalee have already confirmed or denied.

In September, 2005 ... six months prior to the casino security video revelation ... Beth knew that there had been a Paulus/Natalee encounter.

I suspect that the silence encompassing this issue has everything to do with the protection of the Mountain Brook students who could blow the lid right off of this corrupt investigation.  Think about it ... the "powers that be" in Aruba have the entire casino security video ... they know.

Be warned Aruba ... Beth Holloway still has 37 of 40 years left in her pledge to be a voice for her daughter ... a voice that will not be silenced!!

Janet

+++++++++++++

THE MAN IN THE CASINO VIDEO

Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


private eye
Scared Monkey

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #249 on: April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM »

hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune:))))  i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692;topicseen#msg371692

I agree Buckeye.  The both Kalpoes know exactly what happened to Natalee.  In my opinion they were present when Joran beat her.  Why would they say Joran was crazy when they were in the car.  If my memory serves me right one of the Kalpoes were getting upset.  It leaves me to believe Natalee was fighting as soon as she got in that car and saw she was going in the wrong direction.  She was helpless.

Flight discussion:

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Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 Rolling Eyes
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171129#msg171129

Yes I remember this and I always believed Widget.

Me too San, and I also believe Anidac.  Was Valentijn ever questioned?

More on this from the archives:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=251.820
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Quote from: "Carnut"
Just like Karr can be shown to be a lier if proof can be found he was home on Dec 25th, PVDS could be shown to be a lier if proof could be found that the munchkins were in Holland with momma.


Good point Carnut!


Just butting in to shore my 2 cents here....  Prior to 9/11 one could find passanger lists online.  Those days are gone.

Widget claims he was able to and that Anita and 2 other Sloots returned on June 2nd, or was it June 1st.  Anyway..that's what he said.


Now that you mention it I believe I had some luck finding partial information back when we where looking for flight schedules but if my memory serves me correctly I was only able to find ticket numbers without names.


Oops assigned seats where also included.