Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

1.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

"No man has a good enough memory to make a successfull liar."  Abraham Lincoln
 
Why were Deepak Kalpoe’s inconsistencies in his declarations regarding his departure from Carlos 'N Charlies not challenged by interrogators?

1.  Did or did not Natalee introduce herself?
2.  Did or did not Deepak use his cell phone?
3.  Did or did not Deepak sit outside his vehicle ... Satish had the keys?
4.  Did or did not Satish return to the vehicle ahead of Joran and Natalee?
5.  ...
 
It is said that lies are created to cover the truth.  What truth was Deepak attempting to cover regarding the departure from Carlos ‘n Charlies on the evening of May 30, 2005?
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Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

I continued to walk around in Carlos & Charlies in search of my brother and Joran but I could not find them. I knew for certain that my brother and Joran were not in Carlos & Charlies at that moment because I had looked around the whole place. At that time it was 01.00 and everyone started leaving.

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 01.05, I walked to my car to wait for Joran and my brother. Around 01.12 Satish and Joran came to my car. My brother sat beside me in the car and then in the mirror, I saw that Joran and the blonde girl that had been dancing on the stage, sat in the back seat. I greeted the girl in English and she greeted me in English.  The girl did not introduce herself.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When I turned around Satish and Joran were nowhere to be seen. They hadn't even told that they were leaving. I looked for them for a short while, but hadn't found them. I was in the bathroom for a little while. I have no patience to look. After the bathroom I looked around somewhat. I walked past the bar, past the glass section where the "Carlos & Charlies" souvenirs of "Carlos & Charlie" are sold to the outside. When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I had turned around and talked to my friend. After a while I turned around and noticed that Satish, Joran and the girl Natalee were not there any more where I had last seen them stand. I then searched for them in the club but without result. Then I went to look near the bathrooms. I also didn't find them there, I then used the bathroom myself. . After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.
 

2.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
In his own words ... Deepak believes that Joran told Freddy the truth pertaining the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... the morning Natalee Holloway went missing
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005
 
To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else, than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time.
 
 
Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
 

3.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
In his own words Deepak claims he was obstructing an investigation that was still to come.  Natalee had yet to be discovered missing by her Mountain Brook friends.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following.  The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him  that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.

4.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
Deepak knew something ...
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Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN)

J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit.

<snipped>

D says to J: They’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.

J says to D: Why? Why?

D says to J: That scholarship of yours. Gooooooodbye, you can forget about it.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/translation-of-natalee-holloway-case.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.msg27023#msg27023

5.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
Steve Cohen did not retract his claim that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee ... he just clarified that there was not an official record.
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Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
CARIBBEAN VOICE
January 28, 2006

Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway's investigation
By Hazel Heyer

"Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.
Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice." said Cohen.


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.

I saw the subject of this thread and nearly had a heart attack.  I thought this was a ruling.  I am breathing again, but just barely.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

6.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The Gardener

If the Deepak and Satish are exonerated because of Joran words in the Devries video recording ... then the gardener's testimony can be disregarded.
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Carlos Ramos - Gardener
Court Hearing
August 15, 2005

I have seen the car in the morning of 30 May of Sunday on Monday. I went to Lorena on Monday night, then I went to work, told that I saw a car standing along the way when I drove along there. I cannot remember on which day I saw the photograph of the persons in the newspaper. The photograph, which the police force showed me, is the same photograph as the photograph that appeared in the Diario. You ask me how can I know or recognize the persons from the photograph in the newspaper or that I had seen that night. The first time then I saw the photograph in the Diario I had been astonished and I said that to colleagues. You represent me that I have explained that I have recognized the persons from their construction and mail hour. You ask me if I could see from my position in the car. My position was a bit is higher, in the turning I had drive concerning a sand hill as a result of which my position was a bit slanted. As a result, I could look at in the car. I have recognized the car from the rims. Also to the color and the transparent squares. You ask me if I can designate the persons, which sat in the car. Yes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg41646;topicseen#msg41646


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Jossy Mansur
DIARIO Aruba
April 26, 2006

Further, the gardener’s testimony stands as valid and concrete to this day. He confirmed this in front of a judge. He passed a lie detector test successfully! Nothing of what he has said has been contradicted with solid proof to this day.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html
 
 
Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

7.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Nadira's claim on the Dr. Phil show that Deepak and Satish returned home on the morning of May 30, 2005 at approximately 3:00 AM makes sense when you consider that the gardener's testimony states that he witnessed Joran and Deepak sitting in Deepak's parked vehicle across the street from the Marriot Beach at 2:30 AM.
 
Deepak and Satish's time line would place them at home at an earlier time.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

Joran got out first and then the girl. He said: Fine, I will see you tomorrow. I asked him how he would get home. He said that he would find a way to get home. I said, and the girl. He answered, I will drop her off at the “Holiday Inn Hotel”, we will walk along the beach and it is very close by. I had asked him, sure. He answered yes, I will see you tomorrow. I do remember that I saw them walking off hand in hand. I drove out of the street to get back onto the road and proceeded driving into the direction of my house ...

To your question as to how late we got home, I can say the following.  We arrived home approximately 02.20 hours.
 

Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

At Joran's request my brother turned right and drove into the street just north of the Marriot Hotel. My brother continued driving up the street until Joran said that he should stop the car. My brother then brought the car to a full stop. My brother asked Joran how he was going to get home. Joran answered that he would find a way to get home. My brother asked Joran if he was sure he would find another way to get home. Joran said that he was sure that he would find a way to get home. At that moment it was approximately 01.45 hours  on May 30th 2005. The girl and Joran then got out of the car. Joran and the girl walked towards the beach. Joran and the girl had put their arms around each other while they walked. To your question whether the girl had been drunk and how the girl was walking I can say the following. The girl was at that time well with it and was walking fine too. After we had driven out of this street I asked my brother to slow down and I had thrown the "Yard' cup out of the car on the right side of the road. After that we drove towards our house.


Nadira Ramirez
Dr. Phil Show
September 15, 2005

Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil's investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish's mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she'd said from being aired on Dr. Phil.

<snipped>

"What time do you think they got in?"

"I assess that it was not four in the morning,” she says. "It's, like, before three or maybe three o'clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my room door always open when they step out, so when they come they just close my door. And that's the sign that they are home."
 
http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&slide=2&null=null


Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html

8.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The Jogger

Then there is the jogger who collaborates the gardener's testimony.  Why did he not come forward?  I do believe that in August, 2005 on Hannity & Colmes  ... Dave Holloway answered my question.
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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 23, 2005

ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: ... Also, the jogger, the latest witness that police are talking about -- this is supposedly the man who called police from a public phone several days after Natalee Holloway disappeared, saying that he saw the car with the Kalpoe brothers and Joran by the racquet club the night that she disappeared. Police are still looking for him. They`re not able to find him because the man, again, called from a public phone and did not leave his name -- Nancy.

GRACE: You know, that was a question we had last night, Jossy, as to why the Aruban police could not trace that phone call from a jogger, a jogger escaping the heat on the island of Aruba the night Natalee went missing. That`s the apparent explanation of why he was out jogging at that time of the night. Jossy, if this is true and he called from a public phone, true, police cannot trace who he is, but it would also give credence. Was that public phone near where Natalee Holloway disappeared?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": That`s what I understand, that this jogger also saw the same car parked at the same spot by the racquet club. However, he did call from a public telephone, and I don`t know whether the police can trace it or not. But according to information I have, they cannot.

GRACE: Well, they already know it`s from a public phone. They know where it was. Take a listen to this.

<snipped>

... Jossy, I want to get everything I can from you that you know about this jogger. Could you just tell me, what night is it the jogger calls police about what he saw?

MANSUR: I think it was two or three nights after Natalee disappeared. I don`t know. I don`t have any of the answers to that. I don`t know any of the facts involved. I know that the police have put out a call for him. They`ve requested us to publish it, where we did publish a request for this man to come forward. And they`ve been on the radio and everywhere else, asking for this jogger to show up, to give his testimony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html


Midnight Jogger Bulletin
DIARIO Aruba
8/22/2005

Police got an anonymous tip from a person who regularly jogs very early in the morning hours, in the area of Rooi Santo and the Aruba Racquet Club.

This person is male and now his information is considered very valuable to Police.

The Police requests that the jogger get in contact with the Police spokesperson, Papito Comencia by telephone at 583-3483 or 582-4000

As of yesterday, this person has not reacted to the request. DIARIO doesn't know if there was someone there to answer the phone. An American journalist tried calling live, but one of the numbers was a fax machine and the other, no one answered.

It is known that this person (witness) possibly saw a very suspicionsly parked vehicle in the early morning hours. This would corroborate the other witness who said that he saw this vehicle, with the suspects Deepak, Satish and Joran.
[translated by Getagrip]

Posted by Getagrip at 8/22/2005 10:08:00 AM

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_08_21_archive.html


Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005

COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

9.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The August, 2005 Rearrest

I can there was a foundation that Karin Janssen derived from which warranted the rearrest of Deepak and Satish in August, 2005.  Then there are the words of two Aruban attorneys to consider in regards to the new evidence.
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AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe/Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Helen Lejez
NANCE GRACE
August 26, 2005

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
On the Record w/ Greta
August 30, 2006

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
<snipped>

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

10.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The Chief of Police - In His Own Words

Gerold Dompigs official position within the Natalee Holloway case implies his words in the following quotes were derived from a foundation of knowledge.
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Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
October 12, 2005
 
So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 2, 2005

COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?  

DOMPIG: Yes.
 
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 8, 2005

DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
November 12, 2005

DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/

11.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The Jamie Skeeter Interview
 
Deepak words appear to indicate that he is well aware the Natalee Holloway is no longer alive ... aware that there is a "body".
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Deepak Kalpoe
Skeeter Interview

"We don’t know where the body is."

"If I knew where the body is, I would tell them a long time ago."
 
http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg6script.htm

OK Monkeys ... your turn.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

12.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With Deepak
Monday, July 18, 2005

New information has emerged suggesting that one of the mainstays in the Natalee Holloway mystery, that she left the club in a grey car with Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, may be incorrect.

It appears she may have left the front of the club on foot with Deepak Kalpoe.

Beginning with an Internet message referenced here:

    When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there.

Now, another source from Mountain Brook has come forward and offered an eyewitness account more in line with the Internet message which suggests Natalee Holloway did, at least once, walk out of Carlos and Charlies alone.

A witness outside of Carlos and Charlies that night states that Natalee Holloway came out of the club alone and appeared to be looking for someone. She stood in front of the night club for a short time and did present the appearance of someone who had been drinking, though she was certainly standing and in complete control. The words used to describe her appearance were "a little tipsy."


While an earlier report of a confrontation between Joran Van der Sloot and a male graduate from Mountain Brook may be true, I have not been able to independently confirm that story. I have been able to confirm a skirmish the previous night between Deepak Kalpoe and a student from Mountain Brook. It was presented more as a minor conflict soon forgotten and easily broken up by a friend other than a Mr. Reynolds, who has claimed to break up a fight between Joran Van der Sloot and a Mountain Brook student.

As to what became of Natalee Holloway, one witness insists that after standing in front of Carlos and Charlies alone and looking about for a short time - she actually re-entered the night club for a brief period. She then emerged not with Joran Van der Sloot, but with Deepak Kalpoe, who is said to have had her by the arm in a manner suggesting he was helping her to maintain her balance.

The two are reported to have walked off down the street, turning the corner - possibly into a small alley, or a side street.

One possibility is that Natalee was actually looking for Joran Van der Sloot and relying upon Deepak Kalpoe to take her to him. That opinion is speculation and unconfirmed.

Update: This shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the three suspects and Natalee Holloway didn't eventually get in a car together. It is simply another thread in the story. It is quite possible that the four came back to the front of C&C. But this is a solid report, as solid as anything else. More so in some ways to me as I have spoken to the source for an extended period of time. The version has not changed and is, as stated, an eyewitness account from a verified source. 130 anyone's can see 130 things and many may fit into a timeline which makes none of them wrong. I am only reporting what I have verified through sources and what I have not.

http://tinyurl.com/3a8877
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Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With Deepak
Sunday, July 31, 2005
In what was a controversial story at the time, I reported that Natalee Holloway left Carlos and Charlies with Deepak Kalpoe and not Joran Va der Sloot. In addition to sources used for that first report, I have now confirmed through another independent witness that the report was in fact accurate.

In attempts to re-construct the time-line for the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, it now seems that she did leave first with Joran Van der Sloot - but the two did not walk off together immediately.

At some point after most of Natalee's friends drifted away, Joran v d Sloot and Satish Kalpoe are thought to have left the front of the club, perhaps to return to Deepak's car.

Natalee then went back inside the club very briefly before emerging with the elder Kalpoe brother, who, as previously reported, was said to have been holding her by the arm. That has been described as non-romantic in nature and more consistent with an effort to assist one as they walk. At some point during that time period an unidentified Mountain Brook student is reported to have asked her if she was "Okay." It's believed she responded that she was.

The two are said to have been observed walking up the street from C and C some 80 to 100 yards, passing by the other nightclubs on the street until at or through a nearby intersection. At some point time after they disappeared from view, the three boys and Natalee Holloway are reported to have come back through the area, all seated in the car of Deepak Kalpoe. The car containing Natalee Holloway is said to have been observed by another Mountain Brook student who was located upon the porch of another nightclub.


http://tinyurl.com/39k757
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Jossy Mansur on the Front Page of SM

“A bartender at the club where she was that fatal night has confirmed that two of the three suspects had to practically drag her to the car because she was uncertain on her feet”

Does anybody knows whether Satish had his drivers licence? ::MonkeyRoll::

.... and accountability of the managements of the Excelsior, Carlos 'N Charles, Wyndham and Radisson as well as Joran's father ... becomes a non-issue.

Janet
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John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.  

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.  I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


CARLOS 'N CHARLIES

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.  

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


EXCELSIOR CASINO

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 39

Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.  He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


RADISSON CASINO

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.  

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

"Gardener - Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos
Court Testimony
August 15, 2005

I looked and saw that on my watch it was at 02:30. For 03.00 I was at my work. I’m not sure exactly how precise it is. When I encountered the car in question, it was on that dirt road. I had slowed down to drive past there. The lights of my car "from" shining on that car. The person beside the driver, kept its hand for its head and face. I saw that the driver slid a bit to the back.

This man did a very good job by recognizing three men in the middle of the night and going to the police weeks and weeks later. ::MonkeyHaHa::

How about the phonecall Joran was making to Deepak? What time was that? Before half past two?

If Deepak gave an interview for television it does not make sence he told things on TV he denied before the interview  and denies after the interview. ::MonkeyConfused::

Briany, that interview with Deepak was taped secretly. He didn't 'give' an interview in the regular sense. And according to a lot of people they edited the interview before airing it.

So, more or less the same story as with Patrick and Poentje?

THE JAMIE SKEETERS/DEEPAK KALPOE INTERVIEW - THE HARD DRIVE


Jamie Skeeter
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
October 12, 2005

COSBY: All of the tapes or just part of the tapes?

SKEETERS: I turned everything I had over to the FBI, yes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


Jamie Skeeters
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
October 12, 2005

SKEETERS: Well, see, that‘s the big issue here, Rita. I handed these tapes over to a very reliable company—it‘s called the FBI—a week or two ago. I‘m from the old school. I don‘t bring these things out in the public. You keep the integrity and the credibility of the evidence, and I can‘t think of anybody more credible than the FBI.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9680121/


Beth Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 10, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: You know, Joe, first, we have to see if they will request this investigative material be sent to them. The FBI has the taped evidence.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9662347/


Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
December 1, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html

According to Jamie Skeeters ... an unwavering advocate for the family of Natalee in their quest for justice ... claims that Deepak gave permission to be recorded and ... there were witnesses present to substatiate that claim.

Janet

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Jamie Skeeters
'The Abrams Report'
October 7, 2005

ABRAMS: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/

Deepak says twice: "she did". It is possible that something else was said before and that this is cut out.
We do not know. I find it weird that Deepak tells all the time he did not had sex with her, denies it after the interview, but in the interview supposed to have admitted it?

Yeah right.

I looks like a the Poentjes tape.
Only the words "she did" do not prove anything to me.

Maybe just the words "she did" are enough for other people, but not for me.
Sorry.

People do not have the right to accuse people from gangrape just like that.
What if the Kalpoe brothers are framed?

It is very well possible.

Nobody has the right to accuse people without any proof, from rape.

But they are blacks, it is easy.

Did Satish have a driver's license?  His mother said that Satish drove Deepak to work and went to pick him up often so that care would not be sitting on the street since Deepak was so careful of his car. 

Oops!  That should have read "the car" not care.  Gosh!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Briany; please stay respectful. There isn't anyone on this board that claims they did anything because they are black. Nobody.

Thanks Janet, and thanks for this compiled info....I'm busy printing stuff / checking things out because reading / staring at my computer for such long hours after work isn't really that good for my eyes ;-)

Thanks again!

1.  The FBI has Skeeter's hard drive which ... unlike copied tapes ... cannot be manipulated.  The hard drive which will reveal the truth.  I assume that Phil McGraw's attorneys will produce the video recording as evidence.

2.  The suspicions that warranted Deepak and Satish's rearrest imply that there was a rape.  An Aruban attorney goes even further ... she implies that she is aware that the suspicions imply a "gang" rape.

3.  Unless Joran and his Dad are "passing" ... I do believe these are not black and ... Monkeys are not giving them a pass.

Janet

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Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
December 1, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


The August, 2005 Rearrest

AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe/Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Helen Lejez
NANCE GRACE
August 26, 2005

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
On the Record w/ Greta
August 30, 2006
ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
<snipped>

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

So Satish drove that car sometimes, maybe he also drove the car that night. If he had no licence, this could be the reason for the discrepancy in the statements. It is possible that, when Joran contacted the brothers, the brothers did not know what has happened, and that they thougt: "she will come back in a few days".
In that case it was better not to tell the police Satish was driving the car, because he could get into trouble for driving without a drivers licence.

About the phone outside: I only found that Deepak tells once he did not phone because he did not have much money, In the other stories he tells he phoned Joran but Joran did not answer. After that he phoned Satish (miscall, because of the lack of money on the cell) and Satish phoned him back, because of the lack of money on the phonecell. These statements are correct.

The different stories about sitting inside the car while waiting can be, because he did not want to tell the police Satish had the carkeys, because Satish was driving without a licence. (Considering that Satish did not have a driverslicence which we do not know).

If you do not know something terrible had happened, it is not so strange this is the reason for the different stories at that point.
They also talk about who is sitting next to who and all that. Why is that so important?

Probably because Satish has no driverslicence.

It is not right, that they did not tell the truth, but it is possible that they lied to help Joran and to protect Satish (without knowing something terrible had happened).

By the time the brothers found out something terrible had happened, it was too late for them. Nobody would believe them, because Steve had seen them picking up Natalee from the C&C (on the backside) and dropping them of at the Holiday Inn.
Joran, his father and Steve, against two brothers. Who would believe them?

Very coincidence, that Steve saw them at both occasions.
Also weird that Steve told it very detailed, and gave Deepak his phonenumber for "when he had to go to the police".
Why would Steve give Deepak his phonenumber for in case he had to go to the police?

To give instructions?

Did Joran also thougt it was weird that Steve saw them picking up Natalee at the C&C and dropping Natalee of at the Holiday Inn?

Joran is sheating everybody. I suspect his parent of doing the same. I have seen the mother on television. She tries to mislead people, talking civilised and meanwhile telling crap. If you do not know what is really going on, you believe her.

And again, I do not say the Kalpoe brothers are innocent, but I do have serious doubts about how far they are involved in the disappearance of Natalee.

I don not mean anybody here, Joran tells about it in his book himself.  And yes, reading all the stuff in the beginning of his book, I can imagine the Kalpoe were in trouble.

You are welcome GBMW

Janet

13.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Deepak related to one of the security guards while they were both detained that Paulus was a participant the Holliday collaboration.

Janet

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The Holliday Inn Fabrication

Mickey John
On the Record w/ Greta
June 29, 2005

JOHN: ... He (Deepak) said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161044,00.html

Edited to replace#12 with #13

Thank you *******/San??

Janet

Oh ok... I misunderstood. I apologize!

14.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
 
The FBI has Jamie Skeeters' hard drive which ... unlike copied tapes ... cannot be manipulated.  The hard drive will reveal the truth regarding what Deepak Kalpoe actually stated in the Skeeters' vidoe recording.

I assume that Phil McGraw's attorneys will produce the hard drive video recording as evidence ... the video recording which ... according to Skeeters ... an unwavering advocate for the family of Natalee in their quest for justice ... claimed that Deepak gave permission and ... there were witnesses present to substantiate that claim.
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JAMIE SKEETERS' VIDEO RECORDING - DEEPAK INTERVIEW

Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
December 1, 2005

VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said — provided it can be adequately enhanced and analyzed. We don't have access to that hard drive so even after evaluating all the tapes and CD's given us, there could still remain in my mind some question.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html
 

Jamie Skeeters
'The Abrams Report'
October 7, 2005

ABRAMS: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/
 

Arlene Ellis Schipper
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
for December 1, 2005

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE:  Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.  However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order.  Just before the word “she,” there was a cut.  And just after the word “did,” there was a cut.  And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.”  And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


Dan Abrams
'The Abrams Report'
December 1, 2005

ABRAMS:  All right.  Let me do this.  I‘m going to play now in order all three.  I‘m going to play Jamie Skeeters‘ version—again, that‘s the actual one we got.  We went to Jamie Skeeters‘ office and recorded exactly what he had on his hard drive.  Then I want to play the version that Arlene has sent to us.

Again, I‘m going to do this without words on the screen this time so you all can listen and decide for yourselves and then we‘re going to play the “Dr. Phil” version.  All right, so let‘s start with the—this is the Jamie Skeeters‘ version.  This is what actually came from the hard drive.  Here it is. 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS:  Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  You know?  I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE:  Yes, she did.  You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

(END AUDIOTAPE)

ABRAMS:  Boy that sure sounds like she did and you wouldn‘t—it was really easy.  All right.  Now, this is the version that we got from Arlene in Aruba  and I have to tell you, it sounds different. 

(BEGIN AUDIOTAPE)

SKEETERS:  Nobody told her that you can‘t (EXPLETIVE DELETED).  You know?  I mean and I‘m sure she had sex with all of you. 

KALPOE:  No, she didn‘t.  You would be surprised how simple it was that night. 

(END AUDIOTAPE)


Dave Holloway
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 30, 2005

COSBY:  Do you believe he‘s saying that they did have sex with her? 

Is that what you believe?

HOLLOWAY:  Oh, yes.  Absolutely.  You can‘t have a negative and then turn around and then support it with a positive.  I mean, they‘ve got to put the whole sentence together for it to make sense.  If they said, No, we didn‘t, and then turn around and said, You wouldn‘t believe how simple it was, that just—that just doesn‘t make sense.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Beth Holloway Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 30, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  You know, Rita, when they use the word “manipulated,” they really need to use the word “edited.”  And the tape that they‘re saying was manipulated was the one that was shown on Dr. Phil, it was edited.  It was edited for television.  You can‘t get a 20-second or a 6-second sound bite out of two-and-a-half hours.  And you know, yes, Deepak did respond to Jamie‘s question that they all had sex with her.  And he even (INAUDIBLE) You‘d be surprised how simple it was that night.

COSBY:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

TWITTY:  No, not that I could see, Rita.  But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/

This was the story when it appeared Natalee was not dropped at the Holiday Inn.
They were in prison, and I guess that they were not in the luxurious position to make-up another  story.


Deepak 11 juni 2005


Were are the differences?

Quotes from Deepak

10 juni 2005

In this part one can read that Deepak (at the time this interview took place,) still trusted Joran.
In the other statements you can read that the brothers, when Joran and Natalee started kissing, they thought this was weird because Joran had a nice girlfriend. The boys sound respectful to girls. I find that a very positive point. They do not talk bad about Natalee in the statements.
If I read this statement it would not surprise me that the Kalpoe brothers felt intimidated by the VanderSloots. It sounds like: “you’re in trouble”. Not “Joran is in trouble”.
Why would Pa vdS tell the boys that “they were in trouble” if he really believed they dropped Natalee at the HI?

How did Joran's father knew they were going to be arrested?

No,they don't talk bad about Natalee in the statements but Briany,what do you think of deepak kalpoe when he said in the Jamie Skeeter's tape"Natalee dressed like a slut,Natalee acted like a slut"?Do you think that was very respectful of deepak kalpoe?

And btw Briany,the kalpoe brothers have NO respect toward females.Not with them hanging around joran and his pimps while they go out and drug girls and rape them.Do I have proof of this?No,but they have the same rep as joran van der sloot no matter who is backing them up.
I suspect paulus told the kalpoes they may get arrested because both kalpoe's were 18 and older.joran was under 18 and could have been tried as a minor.joran may be more guilty in the eyes of aruba law(whatever the heck that is)but in my eyes......they are all guilty.

I do not know whether he sayd that but if he told that, it ways much later. In the meantime we has accused by the Americans and started to hate the fact that he was followed around, while he could not tell more that what he told already. If Deepak is really innocent and really can tell nothing more than that he dropped off Joran and his "girlfriend" in that street, but people insist in telling that he lies and rapes, it is not so strange that he start telling nasty things about Natalee. I myself, do understand Natalee's mother was (and is) very upset and I can understand her reactions, but I was not accused by lots of American people. Their lives were ruined. Maybe he was very angry at Beth Holloway.

Try to imagine how it feels when, after you finally tell the truth and a while later you realise you've been trapped, but people keep accusing you from murder and rape.

If Deepak really told this, it was his opinion but I do not believe this was his real opinion. It is very well possible that he told this because people kept telling he was a rapist and murderer and he wanted so say something back. But still those words do not make him a rapist.

Deepak told there was nothing wrong with Natalee when she left with Joran, Deepak and Satish told they were kissing.
Big deal, two 18 year olds kissing. Or? That does not make Natalee a slut. Come on! ::MonkeyWink::

15.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

16.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

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http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/28/deepak-kalpoes-car-being-washed-the-night-natalee-holloway-disappeared/

Deepak Kalpoe’s Car Being Washed the Night Natalee Holloway Disappeared

Kalpoe neighbor states that the Kalpoe car was being washed the night Natalee Holloway went missing. So why hose down a car in the middle of the night?

HOSING DOWN THE KALPOE CAR EARLY IN THE MORNING

FP COMMENTS

1.  brenda on November 28th, 2007 9:37 am
As I stated in an earlier post, dozens of people at C&Cs saw Natalee in the car with the 3 stooges, so unless there was something else to hide, washing and cleaning out the inside was ludicrous/unnecessary.

6.  Sharon Chicago on November 28th, 2007 10:25 am
Yes, I remember back in 2005 when it was mentioned that the Kalpoes washed their car in the early morning hours.
I think they were running scared. They wanted to erase any contact they had with Natalee, even though others saw her in the Kalpoes car at Don & Charles. They wanted to scrub the inside and outside so no DNA would show up.

9.  Para2legal on November 28th, 2007 10:57 am
Deepak and his brother are in this waist deep. Deepak also stated on the J.S. tape that if he knew where the body (Natalee’s) was he would tell. At that point in time, how would he know she’s dead (not abducted or a run away)unless he was involved? Where are the red flags on that statement??

11.  Pearl on November 28th, 2007 11:49 am
Loving Natalee: 
“Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.
A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.” Ecclesiastes 4:12
P107

12.  molly in houston on November 28th, 2007 12:00 pm
Sigh, I hope that it’s not too little too late. We have known, and talked about, since the beginning that Deepak’s car had DNA and needed to be thoroughly examined. An obvious clue to that necessity is that NO ONE washes their car in the middle of the night. NO ONE. After the night that they all had, J2K, you would think that the Kalpoes would be very tired and wanting to go to sleep. But no, instead, they were washing their car.
I hope that Mr. Mos is really on the up and up. Time for someone to get serious with this case and quit acting like a bumbling idiot.

15.  nurturer on November 28th, 2007 1:17 pm
So why hose down a car in the middle of the night?

18.  ben on November 28th, 2007 1:35 pm
Has any one heard from Beth,i have not heard from her since this story broke .I wonder if she knows something we dont concerning this story.

19. katablog on November 28th, 2007 1:41 pm
For Deepak to be washing his car the early morning of 05/30/2005, he had to have already known “something bad happened” to Natalee. Remember, this is before anyone from Nat’s group knew she was missing, no reports had been made to the police yet - in fact it sounds (if the neighbor’s time is right) that it was within less than 1 hour after the 3 left CNC with Natalee in the car.


NATALEE'S PARENTS KNOW!

Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway
NEW YORK LAWSUIT

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.
 
     40.  In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html


JOSSY KNOWS!

Jossy Mansur
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
February 16, 2006

COSBY: … In the civil suit, it provided some nuggets of some of the information, and some of this hadn‘t really been highlighted before, Jossy. It said, “In the early hours of Monday morning”—this was when Natalee went missing—“Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleaned his silver Nissan car, claiming after the fact that it had bad ants in it.”

Had you heard that before, Jossy? And that, I think, is an interesting nugget.

MANSUR: Yes, ma‘am, we have heard it. We know that that early morning, they went into a total clean-up of the car. Witnesses, neighbors that live close to them testified to that. So the clean-up did take place.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11413381/

Yes we do. ::MonkeyWink::


Hummm now why would Deepak panic.  I'll tell you why because he is 100% guilty.

In Aruba it is a crime to lie as a witness.  Once a suspect you can lie all you want.  The Gardner was brought before a judge and Deepak crapped his pants because he knew he was telling the truth.

The end.

==================================================

Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

 Thanks San and Carp!!  I really mean it.

 ::MonkeyWink::

I tell ya ... some have climbed aboart the Devries' video recording bandwagon ... adhered to the Aruban plan:

"Let's distance everybody who participating in the event of that fateful morning when Natalee Holloway went missing as well as ... everybody involved in the coverup that has prevented justice from prevailing EXCEPT Joran.  On May 30, 2005 ... this young man was only 17 years old which implies that he can be protected from serious legal consequences.  The measure of closure will silence the family ... media attention will fade and ... the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen will become a distance memory."

CASE CLOSED!

Janet

Briany you need to stop believing the pathological liar and his lying two friends about what they say happened. Natalee and Joran were never kissing in the car and she didn't let some stranger finger her while other strangers watched,mention slaves or say her mom was hitlers sister or want to have sex with Joran and his friends.. She was not some drunk slut drug addict posessing cocaine that was careless,horny and adventurous,that wanted to cruise around with strange boys she just met in a foreign land all by by herself,in hopes of getting laid before leaving. No one is believing the lies and misinformation and it is dispicable. If someone would have warned these students that date rape drugs happen all the time at C&C and Joran and the pimps did it to others,none of this would have happened. Natalee had no clue what was happening and it's hard to make decisions when you are drugged out of your mind,barely conscious and just want to collapse on the floor and sleep. Even more difficult to make decisions when you are totally unconscious.

All the facts point to her being preyed on,drugged and unconscious in the back of that car. Probably within 15 minutes she was out cold as witnesses and a bartender saw her walking out with Deepak and she could barely walk,he had to hold her by the arm to get her out of the bar and escort her to the car. Every single person said she was fine before Joran gave her that one shot of alcohol and everyone knows it,it's more then obvious what happened and the Kalpoes are definitely involved and know a great deal more.

This is what Natalee's Family and other's believe so you can think what you like,It's all backed up by witnesses,testimony and plenty of previous events,clues and facts that show the Kalpoes are involved and Natalee was preyed on,drugged and abducted. The sexual assaults/events that happened to Natalee was when she was unconscious and that is rape,its no coincidence that she dissapeared forever after being seen with these 3 and no one else after that. The modus operandi was definitely to drug and abduct one of the Mountain Brook students,although it is not clear if Natalee was targeted. If the man in the casino talking to Natalee is PVDS then that may be a clue,if you look at the charges against them in 2005 it said it was premeditated.

Hi *******

Briany is not our only Dutch poster who adheres to the "Joran" only theory.

I cannot figure out what the motives are ... especially when you consider all the backup there is which supports the Kalpoes' involvement.  It is either ignored or ... disregarded.

Are there personal connections to the Kalpoes?  Is an Aruban agenda being supported?  Are these posters comprehending  something we are not?  If this was the case ... I wish credible backup was provided.

Janet

 

Hiya Monkeys. I know I don't post much but the fact that the Kalpoe's upheld Joran's lies are enough of a reason for me to feel they are guilty & know more about what happened thatn either have said.
I think they "knew the routine" of drugging an unsuspecting girl so some perverted idiot could get his jollies. MOO

I agree.

Deepak Kalpoe - You'd be surprised how simple it was.

He was a pro at drugging girls.

I also agree, they knew the game. 

Briany ... put yourself in Beth and Dave's place.  Would your definition of Deepak Kalpoe be "respectful" when you consider the following words that came out of his mouth in regards to their daughter..

Then ... there is the Holiday Inn fabrication.  Briany ... anquish parents were desperately attempting to find their daughter and ... Deepak did not hestitate to lie regarding the last time he was in Natalee company.  In my opinion ... this shows a complete lack of conscience.

Janet

+++++++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe:

“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too,” he said. “Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes."

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg6script.htm


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Joran answered to phone and signalled me to turn the volume down of the music. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police was at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “what is up with this/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

17.  THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

The underlying message that is heard loud and clear in the Holiday Inn fabrication is that Joran, Deepak and Satish knew that Natalee Holloway was deceased.  Logic dictates the collaborated fabrication would not allow for the chance that the eighteen years old American citizen would turn up and expose all three as liars who were obstructing an investigation.

++++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

Joran answered to phone and signalled me to turn the volume down of the music. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police was at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “what is up with this/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

Continued

... Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes.

Janet,

Since I came to post on this board I have seen the theories about Peter and Patrick. Imo the theories about Peter and Patrick are absurd, but in Holland there are people who write the same kind of things about Peter and Patrick. The writers and journalist who try to claim this are working in cooperation with Renee Gielen and the VanderSloots.

I think it is weird to doubt a complete tape with voice and face from Joran, were you can clearly see that Joran, amongst other things, tells that Natalee does not come back over and over again. Instead of the Joran tape, those people prefer to believe a very dubious tape from Deepak and the story of the Gardener, who showed up weeks later and besides that tells a nearly unbelievable story. The timeline of the Gardener is not very correct and I do not believe someone is able to recognize three faces in the middle of the night in a flash. If that was the case, he would have gone to the police earlier. It is about a disappeared girl. So the reasons the gardener did not go to the police immediately, are unbelievable to me.
Weather Deepak panicked or not I do not know, but I can imagine he did.

Beth believes Deepak was at the house of VanderSloot the first time she arrived there. The statements of Deepak and Dos Santos tell a different story without any conflict in the statements. Beth can also be mistaken. She did not catch any sleep and was very upset.

How is it possible the statements of Dos Santos and Deepak are not in conflict with eachother?

Was Dos Santos also in the complot? ::cartwheel::

You think I want to separate the Kalpoes and think I have something to do with Aruba. The fact that you start writing things like that about me, give me the impression that you refuse to look into another direction. I do not want to separate the brothers, If they are in this, they are it this.  As I told you before, it would not surprise me if it appearedthey are dragged into this by VanderSloot and his powerfull friends to separate VanderSloot. The statement of a bartender does not mean much to me. Joran is wellknown with the people working in C&C, so that is not a big surprise to be.


Think about it and read the official statements. Hearsay does not help much.

Thank you *******,you said that much better than I could have.We can't just pick and choose what we want to believe from the perps and witnesses.I choose to believe Beth and Dave and I totally believe that they know their daughter.

PROCES – VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head agent and agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba, former classified at the (Atraco team) and last mentioned district 2, explain the following at the section to multi-crime classified.

On June 20 2005, around 17:15,  we interrogated, took a statement, as a witness of this man called:

Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,

Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986, a student at (Mon Plaisier college) and living in Palm Beach number XXX on Aruba.

I, JACOBS, put on record and sounds as follows, statement given in papiamento.

On your question if I know the men " Joran Van Der SLOOT "," Deepak KALPOE and Satish KALPOE”:
I answer you yes.

I’ve known Joran longer than Deepak and Satish. I know Joran already approximately six (6) years. I know Satish already approximately two (2) years and I know Deepak already approximately (1) a year.

On your question if I on Sunday, May 29 2005, met Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold'm poker Tournament". Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "black-Jack" and I continued play poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the black-jack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students who were on holiday in Aruba talking. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play black-jack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with black-jack because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group girls who were playing black-Jack with Joran walk by and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening hours because they would like to meet him there. Joran answered for them not to worry, he would go. On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys” and we all got into my fathers pick up and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pick-up of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in the hamlet Noord. I don’t know their address but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife at their home my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home. I studied first and afterwards slept because I had a "physics" examination to take on Monday, May 30, 2005, from 07.30 till 10.00. I do recall that Joran asked me if I wanted to accompany him to Carlos & Charlies but I answered him that I could not go because I had an examination the next day.

On your question if I on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the night hours, after I went to sleep if anyone woke me or called me:
I will answer you no.

On Monday, May 30 2005, in the morning hours, my mother wakened me because I had to leave to take my examination. I must say that my sister "Alessandra" and my younger brother "Arthur" went with me in my father’s pick-up to school.

On your question if I met Joran, Deepak or Satish on Monday, May 30, 2005, I answer you the following:
According to me, on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the afternoon hours, Joran sent me a message from his cell phone. Setar GSM provided with the number "5xxxxxx" me reported on my mobile telephone. Setar GSM provide with the number "5xxxxxx". According to me Joran me sent me a message with the question if I wanted to go to the Casa Blanco casino at the Wyndham that night. I did not answer Joran because when the message came I was sleeping.

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”.  My father has the mobile telephone number  "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament.  Joran told me he was on his way there. Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel. I can no longer remember how Joran was dressed when he walked into the casino. I do remember that Joran walked in by himself.  I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament stared. I saw that Joran played black-jack during this time. Three Card but I now no longer remember which of the two. When I started Tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament. I no longer remember what time Joran was eliminated. I saw that Joran walking around in the casino. I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran. I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrives at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed. I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside. When Joran and Guido left I was still in the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament. I estimate that it was approximately 30 or 40 minutes after Joran and Guido left the Casa Blanca casino that I was eliminated from the poker tournament. After I was eliminated, I called Guido and/or Joran on their mobile telephone. Guido has the mobile telephone with the number "5xxxxxx". I asked to Joran and/or Guido where they were they told me they were at the casino at the Radisson hotel and would wait for me there. I told them that I would be there later. Approximately 30 minutes after I had spoken with Joran and/or Guido I left the casino at the Wyndham hotel and walked to the casino at the Radisson hotel. I estimate that the complete route lasted (10) minutes. I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold'm poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw that "Deepak" walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately (1) one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 =, chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400 = and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play black-jack at a casino in Oranjestad.

They did not tell me to which casino they would go. After Deepak and Joran were gone "Guido WEAVER" and I went home (left). On your question if Joran and Deepak spoke of picking up shoes while in the casino of the Radisson hotel, I answer you no. At absolutely no moment did I hear this. I must, however, say that Joran and Deepak did not speak in my presence with each other than when Joran cashed in his chips but I was standing at a distance when they spoke with each other. I no longer remember if Guido was with them at that time.

On your question if I had Tuesday, May 31, 2005 and on Wednesday, June 01, 2005, contact with Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:
According to me I had called Joran on of these two days to ask him what he would be doing. You can in my phone records look at when I called Joran or he called me because I no longer remember when. I had no telephone contact with Deepak and Satish.

A day before Joran was apprehended by you, I met Joran around 19.00, at the Aruba Raquet club. I asked Joran how he felt and he told me that he felt calm because the 2 security guards had been apprehended by the police force. Joran me asked what I would do the next day because he wanted to practice basketball and further that I was invited the next evening to his Graduation Night. This was the last time that I spoke with Joran.

On your question if I have an e-mail has address, answer I you yes. My e-mail address is xxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com. Sometimes I use chat name or "A.S." or "Andre" if I am to the chat.

On your question if I know Joran’s friends and if I have contact with them, answer I you the following:

The friends of Joran are Koen GOTTENBOS, Sander GOTTENBOS, Guido WEAVER, "Jaime" and "Freddy". I don’t know the surnames of Jaime and Freddy.

On your question if I know the e-mail chat name of these persons, answer you the following:
I have the e-mail addresses of Koen and Sander in my computer at home. I don’t have the e-mail addresses of Joran, Guido, Jaime and Freddy.

This is my true statement. If you have more questions, I will prepare to answer them.

A.M. AOKI dos SANTOS

After the witness A.M. AOKI dos SANTOS read his declaration, explained he thereby persist and signed them.

Of what our, statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, has been closed and has been signed at Oranjestad on June 20, 2005.

Signed,

DD JACOBS                                  L.A.G. CROES

There are lots of people who give sworn statements.

I told you earlier why I think the statement does not look very reliable to me.

Look at this:
the gardener writes: I got out of bed and saw that on my watch it was 02:30. Before 03.00 I was at my work.

Was Joran’s phone call to Deepak from 02.26-02.34?

The gardener saw that is was 02.30. So Joran phoned Deepak while they were sitting in a car together? Yeah right.
The whole statement is loose sand and does not fit.
Recognizing people accidently in a flash, and coming out with this story weeks later?
Is it possible that the gardener was threatened in the first week? How?
 
The whole story of (Ramos) the gardener does not make any sense. Besides that, there was no reason for him not to go to the police at once.

So the gardener saw at his watch it was 02.30.  At that time Joran was already 4 minuten on the phone with Deepak. Fifteen minutes later, 02.46, Deepak was at home to send Joran a message from his computer, while at the same time Valentijn was on the computer in the VdS’s house? ::MonkeyShocked::

The story looks impossible to me.

The Mr. Skeeter’s tape is dubious to me while Deepak denies some things he supposed to have said in the tape. Before the tape Deepak told he did not rape Natalee and after the tape he also tells he did not rape Natalee and on top of this in the tape itself he does not mention that he raped Natalee. It is easy to leave a few words out.  ::MonkeyCool::

Here are quotes from the statement of Deepak 11-06-2005.


Here are quotes from the statement of Dos Santos 20-06-2005.


The statements are here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/

I believe quite differently regarding the Skeeters tape.  If Deepak is denying what he said on the tape then just hand over the documents in his lawsuit against Dr. Phil and let's get it on in court.  Let's get the truth out there according to the Kalpoes.  They came to use the American Justice System for a reason.  Follow through and hand over the documents.

I'll quote Deepak on this one "Enough of this BS already".  If Deepak and Satish were such Goody Two Shoes then go to court and defend yourself.

Briany wrote:

::snip::
[/quote]

There are lots of people who give sworn statements.

I told you earlier why I think the statement does not look very reliable to me.

Look at this:
the gardener writes: I got out of bed and saw that on my watch it was 02:30. Before 03.00 I was at my work.

Was Joran’s phone call to Deepak from 02.26-02.34?
The gardener saw that is was 02.30. So Joran phoned Deepak while they were sitting in a car together? Yeah right.
The whole statement is loose sand and does not fit.
Recognizing people accidently in a flash, and coming out with this story weeks later?
Is it possible that the gardener was threatened in the first week? How?

So why couldn't joran and deepak texed,called eachother while sitting right next to eachother?They could have even had a wireless laptop in the car with them.They were all told by paulus to set up alibis using their phones,computers.Yes,I do believe the gardener witness could have been threatened,by those who know(and helped)paulus and by those who protect aruban tourism(government,ATA,AHTA etc).
 
The whole story of (Ramos) the gardener does not make any sense. Besides that, there was no reason for him not to go to the police at once.

Yes there was.The gardener was already threatened with deportation BEFORE he even went before a judge to give his sworn statement.

So the gardener saw at his watch it was 02.30.  At that time Joran was already 4 minuten on the phone with Deepak. Fifteen minutes later, 02.46, Deepak was at home to send Joran a message from his computer, while at the same time Valentijn was on the computer in the VdS’s house? ::MonkeyShocked::

It's very possible that they dropped the weaker satish off at home to set up an alibi and instructed val to do the same for joran.

The story looks impossible to me.

The Mr. Skeeter’s tape is dubious to me while Deepak denies some things he supposed to have said in the tape. Before the tape Deepak told he did not rape Natalee and after the tape he also tells he did not rape Natalee and on top of this in the tape itself he does not mention that he raped Natalee. It is easy to leave a few words out.  ::MonkeyCool::

How do we know what deepak said before and after he was taped?

Here are quotes from the statement of Deepak 11-06-2005.


So,deepak states he arrived at the Radisson about 12:00 midnight.He stayed at the Radisson for about 2 hours.Then deepak and joran headed over to the Wyndham.

Here are quotes from the statement of Dos Santos 20-06-2005.


The statements are here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/
[/quote]

joran arrives at the Wynham at 8:30 pm.joran left the Wynham with guido,they went to the Radisson.deepak arrives at the Radisson.So now we have joran,guido,deepak and andre at the Radisson.At some point andre states that joran,deepak and guido left the Radisson.He then says that guido returned about an hour later to cash in his chips.Now here is where it gets fuzzy to me.......if joran,deepak and guido all 3 left the Radisson,why does andre state that joran kept gambling?(in red above)IF joran and deepak left with guido then guido returned after one hour....where was deepak and joran during that hour?Or did they even leave?
Briany,I don't see how you can insist that deepaks and andres statement match up exactly and even IF they did....what does that prove?

LOL....ITA with that San.

Sure, Karmaround. They brought there computers in the car, or asked the parents from the Kalpoe to cooperate.
Very logical en sensible. That must be it. :smt045


A quote from the statement from the gardener:


There were persons who wanted to put pressure on him to make a statement. There were no persons who threatened him in the first weeks, because nowbody knew hat he "saw them" and besides that, he would have told so, if that was the case.
Your turn the things upside down Karmaroundup. :smt112


From his statements and interviews. It is also told in this forum.
Scrux writes about the Kalpoe interview very specified:
http://www.scrux.com/forum/index.php


What do you think they did in one hour. Getting soms money or hiding a body. ::MonkeyConfused::

15.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Thirty minutes prior to the Twitty's arriving at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's vehicle was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound.

Deepak lied about being at the Wyndham ... Radisson and ... when it is considered that lies are created to cover the truth.  What truth was Deepak attempting to hide and ... Why?

Janet

++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leav.  Jug gets out and goes to the fron with the officers.  The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police as to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel. 

Maybe your right. Maybe he is hiding something and maybe he knows more.
Maybe he is into this. I am not sure, but you could be right.

THE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: We found out about three weeks later that that statement that I signed on June 10 is not my statement. We were given that statement by an Aruban attorney sometime during the month of July and finally had it translated, and it is not my original statement.

GRACE: What was left out, Beth?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: There were a lot of names that were left out, you know, just key elements as far as how Joran asked Jug and -- to leave the group before he admitted the sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee and -- and just a lot of things. You know, Paulus`s name -- I didn`t know anyone`s name. I didn`t know Charles Croes`s name, which is just ludicrous.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 3, 2005

J. TWITTY: I`ll tell you, Nancy, the thing that really upset me, and I found this out when Beth read some statements down there, is that the two uniformed officers that were there, that were standing as close as we are here, listening to him say this, they gave their statements, and they were very graphic in detail of everything that happened that night, except for one thing. Guess what they left out? The part about him saying what he did sexually to her in that car.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

Off to the Eastern Fraser Valley to daughter's home.

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL MOMMY MONKEYS!

Janet
3:00 PM

Thank you Janet.That makes my point,if deepak and joran were at the casinos that night,they were there before Beth found out that deepaks fancy little car was parked right there at the van der sloots.

That fancy little car was also parked on the side of the Bubali Police station at 8AM on May 31st when Beth went to talk to Dennis Jacobs. Hours before Deepak said he went there to give his statement.

They don't have laptops on aruba?

Sorry Karmaroundup. It was very silly of me not to realize that the Kalpoe brothers went out and took the laptop with them.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also very silly that I did not trust the statement of the Gardener. It is quite obvious that he was threatened right after this. He forgot to tell that the who men were phoning eachother while the gardener was looking but who cares, maybe he only recognized the faces but did not see the phones. It could have been special phones with a little eardop. It that case the gardener could not have seen the phones. Probably it was something like that. ::MonkeyDance::

The statement is the most logical statement I have ever seen, since I have read it for the second   ::cartwheel::  time.

And of course the cashwash of the Kalpoe brothers took place in the morning Natalee disappeared. Silly of me to doubt the late statements.
The brothers were not afraid the neighbours might notice, it is completely normal to do a carwash in the early morning.
The neighbours were probably also threatened to go to the police and that must be the reason they came too so late with the story. ::MonkeyTongue::

Same with the mix-up with the casino's. It is 100% sure that there are no mistakes in the book.
The same for the torn statement in the policestation. Beth could read the language and could see and read this for sure.
All the witnesses are lying and if something in the statements of the Kalpoe's accidentally fits, the police-officer was in the complot.

I have to look at the other rumours again, may be they make more sense if I am willing to understand what they try to say.

About the found blood found in the car of the Kalpoe: the police was right. They send the blood to the Forensic laboratory but the Forensic laboratory was eighter too stupid to tell it was chocolate or they were in the lot too.

It is all very clear. ::MonkeyLaugh::

And Oh I forgot: Peter and Patrick are in this too, of course. The tape is faked in cooperation with Joran.
Everybody want too make money by writing books, exept of course the parents of Natalee.

There you go.....even more lies by deepak.I believe by the 31st of May Dennis Jacobs and Jan van Straaten were in overdrive mode to cover this case up.Of couse some here will just say that deepak stopped by the police station that tuesday morning to get his plates renewed or something. ::MonkeyWink::

Briany,I know you did not just dis Beth and Dave for writing books about thier beloved daughter who disappeared on aruba?????
Let me know because IF you did,this whole"the kalpoes are innocent(or not as guilty as joran)"conversation will end right now. ::MonkeyShocked::

How do you know the Kalpoe's said this and how do you know it was a lie.

Karmaroundup,

I never discussed anybodies book. Everybody has the right to right a book. You are discussing all people exept the parents of Natalee. There are people around who did their very best for Natalee and her mother.
Look what you do?
Dregging everybody around.

So, only the parents of Natalee are aloud to make money out of the disappearance of their daughter?

You make me say this sorry.

And the way you try to make the Kalpoe's and the whole island suspect, gives me the feeling there might be something else going on.

Deepak and Dos Santos BOTH claim Deepak entered in the Raddison Hotel. Later they went to the Wyndham.

And do you really think the whole maffia is interested in the disappearance of one girl?

Were are all the disappeared people? One?
Six years earlier?

Or the disappearance of the boy (which I find very strange too).

I do not see any relation with drugsmaffia sorry. The killings on the island might have something to do with the drugsmaffia. There is no reason to think this has a connection with the disappearance of Natalee.

Were do you live?

In the middle of nowhere?

16.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on May 31, 2005 ... less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and ... trip to the Holiday Inn ... less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his suspect statement of June 13, 2005 that he drove home following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering.  There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet ... Satish's words in his June 10, 2005 suspect statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential DNA evidence would link Joran and Natalee to Deepak's vehicle have dictated immediate impounding?  Could it be that Deepak had been driven home by Aruban police?

Declarations imply that the May 31, 2005 witness statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish were given later that day.  Joran was picked up from school by Paulus and ... Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed.

++++++++++++++

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59

Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp.  One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back.  It's definitely his.  I spent a lot of time staring at it last night.  The tag The details.  Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myslef for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station.  And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. 

... After almost hree house dectective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today.  He won't take our statements today.  What?  I don't understand.  Did the yung men give theirs?  We never see them, but Deepak's car is still out side.  Are they upstairs in the loft area?  Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
 
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...
 
Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...
 
After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

@ Tamikosmom,

These stories are in harmony with Beth's story.
On that tuesday morning, after the confrontation at the house of VanderSloot, Jug and Beth went, together with the others to the Holiday Inn. Jug and Beth stayed in Natalee's room for a short rest. (page 57).  Jug was going to sleep and Beth was waiting in the lobby, while she could not sleep anyway,  for Dennis Jacobs who was supposed to be there in a few hours.

Briany ... issue is Deepak's vehicle!!  It cannot be in two places at once!!

Janet

I agree with you. ::MonkeyWink::

Deepak claims he drove home in his own car. Satish tells the same story, separated from Deepak.
Besides that, this were probably not the questions expected. Why would he lie about it?

Jug and Beth went to the police station at 08.00 AM.

It is possible that  Deepak went to the police station after he came home, but I see no reason why he would deny it was Deepaks car was on the parking place. I guess Beth was mistaken. She did not sleep at all and was very upset.

But, If Deepak drove to the police station after coming home because the police phoned, what is so suspicious regarding Deepak about this?

I do not see why this could be important. But maybe you can explain. ::MonkeyCool::

In Holland on FOK  the carwash was discussed. There were people claiming Deepak and Satish were washing the car at 03.00 in the morning. Deepak was on his computer at that time, but the statement was not to be taken serious anyway, because if the neighbours really heard them cleaning the car that morning, they would have gone to the police in the week the boys were arrested.
They did not. Instead they went far much later.   ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm not sure why there is even a question as to the Kalpoes involvement.  In the VERY LEAST, the Kalpoes participated in drugging and kidnapping Natalee, IMO.

Also, the very first early reports out of Aruba in Amigoe was that ALL 3 ADMITTED TO HAVING SEX WITH NATALEE.  Also to clarify, there is NO WAY Natalee would voluntarily have sex with all 3 so that would be rape added on to the drugging and kidnapping.

If Amigo published reports about this, were are the reports then?

Amigo did not destroy the reports I hope?

Sorry, it was AM Digital not Amigoe and I'll find the link and/or screen capture for you.  May take me a bit as it was published I believe on June 3, 2005.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/AMDig060405sex-1.jpg)

Thank you Klaasend, I thought that britny would go on forever trying to defend those pigs....

There is no defending them IMO. 

Maybe briany doesn't realize that the forensics, on the computers, stated the times were altered.   :smt102

Briany

1.  Beth was not mistaken.  Not only did Beth recognize Deepak's vehice at the police station ... the tag (license) number matched.

2.  Deepak declares that he arrived home in his vehicle at 6:45 AM ... talked to Satish and ... went to bed.  He declared nothnig about leaving the house prior to 8:00 AM and ... going to the police station..

3.  Satish does not declare how Deepak got home.  However ... he does declare that Deepak stated he had been at the police station prior to coming home.

Inquiring mind want to know ... why Deepak failed to declare that he had been at the police station prior to coming home at 6:45 AM and ... inquiring minds want to know why Deepak lied about driving his own vehicle home and ... inquiring minds want to know why Deepak's vehicle was left at the police station.

INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW ... WHY ALL THE LIES?

Janet

Briany

You appear to have an agenda ... an agenda to distance Deepak and Kalpoe from the events that encompass the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.  You will even undermine Beth Holloway's credibility as you strive to fulfill that agenda.

I and other Monkeys have worked very hard in this thread to provide you with many backup sources which when considered as a whole implies it would a very huge coincidence if Deepak and Satish did not play a role along with Joran van der Sloot in the happenings involving an eighteen year old American citizen.

However ... you mockingly undermine all our research without providing any backup of your own.

Briany ... I have come to the conclusion that you are furthering an established Aruban agenda ... an established Aruban agenda to distance Deepak and Satish from the events that encompassing the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing while shifting the focus of attention on Joran.

I ask ... who are you?

1.  Deepak, Satish or a Kalpoe family member/friend.
2.  An associate of either Patrick Vander Eem and/or Peter Devries.
3.  An advocate for the Prosecution.
4.  An advocate for the ATA.

IMO

Janet

Hi Karma.

 ::MonkeyWink::

I don't make you say caca Briany.Here is exactly what you posted below and I was not holding your hands and making you type it.Try to keep up.

Briany posted:
Everybody want too make money by writing books, exept of course the parents of Natalee.
Karma posted:
Briany,I know you did not just dis Beth and Dave for writing books about thier beloved daughter who disappeared on aruba?????
Let me know because IF you did,this whole"the kalpoes are innocent(or not as guilty as joran)"conversation will end right now.  

::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyDance::

Briany - do I detect some negativity towards Natalee's parents?  Why are you attempting to defend K2?  Who are you really?  Why the desire to defend those 2 dirtbags (K2's)?

Briany - to be honest I don't much care for your attitude about Natalee's family.  Let this be a warning that we will not tolerate that here.  Your time for posting in this forum may be very short lived.  Very short  ::MonkeyCool::

Agenda is right,I choose #2 based on how Briany keeps bringing up book sales and money made off of books and because he/she just cannot believe that most here do NOT believe that joran was the ONLY one involved here.....just like the joran tapes wanted us to believe.But....we are much too smart to fall for even more aruban BS. ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry Klaas,I really didn't mean for this to turn into a mini war.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Karma ... I never thought but ... when you consider that Patrick Vander Eem, Peter Devries and Hans Mos are already distancing Paulus van der Sloot from implication in the Natalee Holloway case ...

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

+++++++

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban. I believe that many people who want to follow this kind or requests do also not have first hand information about true facts of corruption, but as followers just base their opinion on the suggestion and speculation of others.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


PATRICK’S RESPONSE
... I do know that Hans Mos from the moment Peter R. de Vries has been showing him the tapes has been working incredibly hard to get the evidence on the table that Joran did not only dispose of a body (carries a maximum jail sentence of 6 months in Holland), but to find the evidence that Joran can be accused of “murder” or “manslaughter” because it became clear from huis confession that he never checked if Natalee was really dead.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Karma - it's not even a contest let alone a war.  If Briany is insinuating what I think she/he is about Natalee's family no contest at all.  Briany will be deactivated, that attitude is not welcome here.

I was "out of the loop" for a while and I'm just now digesting the content of Briany's posts  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Janet
I really don't think Briany is Patrick....more like assisstant but you never know right?
Doesn't matter,he was only here to cause trouble and deflect the blame(or try to)off the kalpoe's.Not happening.

Thanks sweety
It's good to see you feeling better.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Hey Briany ... the official spokesperson for the Natalee Holloway  investigation who had "a full knowledge of the case" publicly stated that two of the suspects confessed to having sex with Natalee Holloway.  TWO SUPECTS imply at least one of the Kalpoe brothers admitted to sex with Natalee Holloway.

Steve Cohen did not retract his claim that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee ... he just clarified that there was not an official record.
__________________

Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
CARIBBEAN VOICE
January 28, 2006

Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway's investigation
By Hazel Heyer

"Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.
Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice." said Cohen.


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.
 

Briany ... the above article the implies that Joran, Deepak and Satish all had sex with Natalee Holloway is confirmed by Karin Janssen's suspicions that that warranted Deepak and Satish rearrest in August, 2005.  Actually ... Karin Janssen's suspciions imply that Deepak, Satish and Joran all gang raped Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++++++++

AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe/Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Helen Lejez
NANCE GRACE
August 26, 2005

HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
On the Record w/ Greta
August 30, 2006

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
<snipped>

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html

Briany realizes it but he chooses like everything else that was presented to him to ignore it.

San ... if you go to Briany's profile and read his/her posts ... IMO it is obvious from the getgo (April 19, 2008) that advocating for Patrick and ... the new Aruban agenda ... was where it was at.  Not many of Briany's 181 posts distracted from his/her objective.  It was imparative that Patrick was recognized as the one who obtained a "full" confession from Joran van der Sloot.  However ... this agenda could not be furthered unless all other suspects were distanced from implication.

Briany had an impossible task.  If Deepak and Satish were to be distanced ... it would imply that all declarations, documentation, transcripts as well as evidence accumulated in the past three years which implicated them as participants ... were non issues.

Briany underestimated Monkeys' resolve ... these creatures were not about to be deceived.  Three years of research/effort to expose the truth was not about to be negated by a collaborated Aruban plan to appease the family and ... close the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

I have been watching Briany since April 19th.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375078#msg375078

APRIL 14, 2008

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

So Deepak told Satish he had to go to the police station. That declares the car.

What is suspicious about that?

So you think that if Deepak not told the police, he did go to the police he is hiding something? ::MonkeyConfused::

@ Klaassend,

I am not bashing Beth. I try to stay in the real world. Beth can also make mistakes. Besides that, she was very upset. When she arrived at the VanderSloots (she was there unexpected and far too early for VanderSloot, that why he reacted to weird) the nightmare started. Beth knew VanderSloot knew.

Let me get this straigt.

So, if Steve Cohen sais the three did it, it means the three did it?

If peope from the media make statements that the Kalpoes are involved, than it is defenitely the case? ::MonkeyConfused::

OK I understand. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why were the boys released then. :smt100

Deepak 13-06-2006



This is very strange though. He told he went to bed......
But he talked to VanderStraaten.......

Deepak admitted to having some sexual contact with her.

He did this multiple times, over multiple days, over multiple different "forums."

Look Briany...

You can keep running that sh** up the flagpole, about how the Kalpoes
are a couple of effing Girl Scouts that would never tell a lie... Just like
George Washington and his big ol' cherry tree....

...but, let us put them up on the table...

JUST who is trying to kid whom, Briany?

Those filthy sexual predatory

mother effing Kalpoes are some lyin' son of a b's.

They are full of dirt!


They have hurt the Holloway family IMMEASURABLY. I think

if they ever touched down on American soil, and I was to cross their

paths... I'd blow their dang heads off for what they have done... to my

fellow decent Americans, the Holloway / Twitty / Reynold's...

I'd probably have to turn myself in to local authorities... and would probably

be more than willing to do the time over it.

The Kalpoes are lying filthy cockroaches... and it really burns me

a$$ to see you all over the board defending them all the time.

However, opinions are like refrigerators...

everybody GAWT ONE!!! Rawkkkkk on Biany.

To answer your question if Steve Cohen said they did it you are damn right they did it.  Steve Cohen was hired by Aruba for damange control.  He was their guy and their guy said they did it.  The guy opening the door for Joran when he got out of jail said at least two were involved.  Aruba was left scrambling after he said that.

The boys were released because of the corrupt judges involved in this case.

Let them come here and fight the lawsuit and we will see what a real judge thinks of those two turds.

Briany is here to cause confusion.  The only person he has confused is himself because he has not swayed one person.  To actually think he/she were going to come on here and succeed is really  ::MonkeyHaHa::.

THIS IS ONE BIG OLD GAME AND THE ACT IS OLD.

ARUBA SUCKS, KALPOES SUCK, VAN DER SLOOT SUCKS AND MOST OF ALL THE NEW STEVEN SPEILBURG OF THE MOVIE INDUSTRY PATRICK SUCKS.

Briany/Katriana is no longer able to post at SM.  After 3 years I'm not willing to play his/her type of games.  He/she has been banned.  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank goodness,Klaas, it was making me so freakin mad..what an idiot  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case  and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.

"God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption..."

What would he call it?  Is it illegal?  Encouraged for certain people?  Acceptable?

Perhaps it's "conflict of interest" to some, acceptable practice to others in this system? 

What kind of example does it set for others?

From Interpol ~


http://www.interpol.int/Public/Corruption/about.asp

Several of us comprised these points concerning the Kalpoes in the Lively Discussion thread last week. Of course, they were not refuted.



HAVE REVISED THIS TO INCLUDE SANDY'S AND ROB'S ADDITIONS:

Without a doubt the Kalpoes knew enough to hang Joran and Paulus so they are guilty of covering up the case. Judging by their own comments, which show intimate knowledge there was a crime committed against Natalee, if they didn't rape her at the very least are guilty of kidnapping which lead to Natalee's death and that is nothing to sneeze at. They can also be guilty of drugging her with "that shit" Deepak knows about. All of this would lead to a voluntary manslaughter conviction if the idiots in Aruba running the investigation ever got up off their asses and put 2 and 2 together.

How anyone can look at all these points and think they just innocently dropped Joran and natalee off at the beach is beyond my comprehension. Why deceive and mnake lies up if you are innocent?

1- Freddie confirms the three suspects freaked out when Natalee didn't wake up.
2- Deepak admits he went home and got on his computer to create an alibi.
3- Satish asks Deepak the next day, "How is the girl?"
4- Steve Cohen says in their statements at least two of the suspects admitted having sex with Natalee.
5- Deepak tells Joran he'll get 15 years if they find the girl.
6- They all three lie about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.
7- Deepak's friend Steve Croes makes up a false witness statement.
8- The Kalpoes refuse to turn over documents in their civil suit.
9- In the squad car Deepak says to to Joran "YOUR OWN Father!" 
10- Mickey John statement to police "the dutch guy and his father they sit by the pool and make it up.
11- The Kalpoes and Joran altered their telephones and computers, something DEEPAK is very good at.

I can only assume there was a foundation that Karin Janssen derived her suspicions from which justified the rearrest of Deepak and Satish in August, 2005.

Janet

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Brothers arrested again in Aruba case
Two held on suspicion of acting with others in teen's rape, killing

Saturday, August 27, 2005

(CNN) -- After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted "together with other people" in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor's office said.

Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that "new facts and circumstances" led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21.

"They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody," the statement said.

"Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html

 ::cartwheel::

Thank you Klaas.

LOL about Van der Eem, San!

Her / his type of games? She / he is just critical about some of the general opinions here....she / he isn't putting actual blame on Natalee or her family....so why is she / he banned?

If you don't like Briany's posts....just ignore them...don't respond. As long as she / he isn't bashing Natalee or her family (and being critical somewhat isn't bashing) I don't see what the problem is.
Beth hasn't been an angel in this case....100% understandable and I don't blame her...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum.

Briany; if you're reading this....please contact me through RU...I appreciated your input so I'll hope you'll join there or just give me pm.

...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum



IMO

Beth didn't cause the problems for all THE GOOD PEOPLE OF ARUBA...

it was those Van der Rapist Murderers and Kill-Poes, GBMW! LOL

All those GOOD PEOPLE OF ARUBA need to be taking it up with those cockroaches,

not Beth.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Hey, don't go.   ....but if you do go back over to RU,

be sure to say hello, and kick

Charles Ratcliff in his nuts for me.

Thank you

HURRAY FOR CARPE.... ::cartwheel::

It's ok you have a different opinion.

Kick Charlierat in his nuts? Sorry...I like him so your thanks is a bit premature.

Have a nice day.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

GBMW ... say it isn't so.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Why would I dislike him? I don't know him that well and I don't always agree with his posts or the way he posts but he's been nothing but kind to me.

I haven't read a lot of posts of him so I'm not a Charlierat infodesk....I'm assuming my opinion on my contact with him and the posts I've read so far.

Nobody like Chuck Rat GBMW,Not even the Arubans!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Obviously anyone who supports Natalee and her Family,hates this loser because of the idiotic,biased and disgusting misinformation he has made the last few years.