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Please take a moment to watch and listen to the video above and remember why we are all here after almost 3 years. 

very good that there is a english article about this now.

Hero Brinkman is stirring up the corruption and bad government issues nicely.  ::MonkeyDance::
and the islands are taking the bait, protesting about his statements about corruption - they want to silence him!
no wonder why they don't want him to speak.
during the previous kingdom meetings Jan van der Straten wanted to arrest him on Bonaire!
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i know first hand that he is not forgetting Aruba.
Aruba is also part of the restructering especially on rule of law / justice issues.
also he has concerns about PvdS involvement during the first days.

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tons of Dutch articles about this:
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/politiek/artikel/asp/artnr/204865/rss/true/index.html
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3932086/_Brinkman_wil_geen_overleg_Antillen__.html
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article1078059.ece/Brinkman_weigert_afspraak_overleg_Antillen
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article533550.ece/Antillen_gedragsregels_voor_Hero_Brinkman
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1038&Itemid=1
http://www.nieuws.nl/509501
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/3085133/Parlementair-overleg-Antillen-onzeker.ece
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/91867
http://www.nu.nl/news/1557412/10/rss/Antillen_willen_regels_voor_overleg.html
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article1076527.ece/PVV_wil_doorgaan_met_strijd_corruptie_Antillen
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080508_pok
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080506_gedragscode
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080503_Atacho.html
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080502_vanbeek-gedrag-pok

earlier englisch articles about this:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/01/dutch_mp_banned_from_antilles.php
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/tension_is_rising_again_warns.php
http://www.dutchnews.nl/columns/2008/02/justice_2.php

i wrote about this a few days ago.
why the new procureur general to replace Nico Jörg was't presented.
i suspected Rudy Croes was having a hard time to get a crony approved.
the Dutch would have objections because of the way Rudy runs his justice department.

especially after the news about the budget overspending of the Aruban OM.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_41973.php
and that damning article from Alex de Cuba about the OM and Hans Mos.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1594/mos7bq1.jpg

well here he his...
another temporal PG.


http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42066.php

O. M. G.

Dato Willem Steenhuis is very controversial for several reasons.
some of them mentioned in the Amigoe article.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dato_Steenhuis

1. conflicts of interest
in 1998 there were major riots in the city of Groningen.
before that there were allegation that a policeman in a Dutch island sexually abused his daughter.
this led to an inquiry into relations in the OM of that district.
Steenhuis was PG of that district.
afterwards in was revealed that Steenhuis had a job as advisor to the inquiry.
so he was advising the inquiry who inquired himself! conflicts of interest.

this led to a huge scandal in the justice department. (sorgdrager affair).
the head of the college of PG (highest position in the OM) had to resign.
there were rumours that the PG's were planning to stage a coup in the justice department!!!
this situation is called: "the revolt of the PG's".
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_van_Sorgdrager_en_de_procureurs-generaal

2. in Steenhuis caused trouble again due the numerous speeding and dangerous driving offences.
all charges were dropped.

so a very nice choice for a new PG.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

there is a lot the read about the "revolt of the PG's".
this was quite a crisis in the justice department.
it has links to earlier a later scandal in the justice departement (like IRT-affair - Hirsch Ballin / Rudy/Hendrik Croes!!)

here is a Dutch dossier about it with the titel: "crisis in the OM"
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/nieuws.html

there is even made a movie about that:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397502/

now i hope the chioce of Steenhuis for PG in Aruba will get reported in the news.
how on earth can the put such a controversial man in such a position.
and then for Aruba with an OM which is known to be controversial already.

Caesu..He sounds like the perfect fit for that Govt  ::MonkeyWink:: It's hard to say who really wanted to speak there mind and tell us some truth in that Govt..But Mr.Jorg,Red,Theresa Croes and Amile(sp) Fleming have shown us glimpses.

Caps

Can you tell us more about the restricted area pond and the 53 Dutch investigators brought in on a "secret mission"? I haven't been able to find any mention of this anywhere else. Is it possible you didnt have it right?

this is also related to the "revolt of the PG's".
Dato Steenhuis was of course one of them and the cause of the revolt. or not the main cause??

http://www.blythe.org/Intelligence/readme/79sum


http://www.blythe.org/Intelligence/readme/79sum

now we are getting in real dark territory.
goes right to the heart of all kinds of drugs and criminal related cover ups.
reminder: IRT and Cargo-affairs were about the Dutch and Arubans law enforcement letting drugs throug in botched under cover sting operations. Ballin and Rudy Croes justice minister at the time. Ballin had to resign. Rudy Croes was NOT questioned 'because he might become justice minister again in the future'.

and now Dato Steenhuis is Rudy Croes' choice for PG?  ::MonkeyEek::

very strong smell of al kinds of cover ups and corruption.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Caesu,
Very informative!  Thank you!  It doesn't look like things will get any better for the "good people" of Aruba.....just more corruption! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Arthur Doctors van Leeuwen > fired
Dato Steenhuis > not fired and soon to be PG of Aruba

it is just too obvious.
i am here connecting dots and the corruption smells like hell.
if only one newspaper or current affairs show with much more resources would do the same thing.
just expose a few things without accusing, just alleging. just show a few connections between the dutch justice department and the aruba government.

the Bouterse connection is also interesting.
i am sure here the trial is followed? not much happening with the trial at the moment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9si_Bouterse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_murders
Docters van Leewen was tough on Bouterse AND the drugs trade around Aruba, i bet Aruba and parts of the dutch justice dep. didn't like that.
could be reason to fire Docter van Leeuwen as mentioned above in that intelligence piece.

Steenhuis was NOT fired - but he was 'supposedly' the cause of all the trouble.
i bet Bouterse and Rudy Croes are thankfull towards Steenhuis for causing that revolt so Docters van Leeuwen could be fired.


could be that's why Dato Steenhuis is awarded now this PG job!!

i hope i explain myself enough. else feel free and i go into greater length.

noteworthy: Bram Mosko is attorney also for Bouterse!! also for Beth.
i really hope this doesn't complicate things!!
i am little worried that Mosko is just a big derailer... this civil case isn't go anywhere it seems.
but i hope i am wrong.

Caesu, I don't jump into the monkey pond here often, but I do read.  This is interesting stuff since we've known there were "higher powers" covering Joran's lilly white lying @#$ all along.  People are afraid to speak up in Aruba.  So many changed their stories.  Thank you for all you're contributions. 

caesu

Very interesting.  Thanks for keeping us informed.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/i273/merx273.html
june 2006

judge Rick Smid, friend of Paul van der Sloot doesn't want a hearing for PG Dato Steenhuis.
and now Date Steenhuis nominated for PG of Aruba.

and the following connects a couple of thinks. might be interesting later on.
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
a former PG of Aruba who had to replace another PG who couldn't work with the Aruban justice department right after the Cargo-affair (de Ruiter commission). this was around the same time as the PG-revolt.
he happended to work with Steenhuis in 2000 in a post-IRT-enquiry.


years before that Hendrik Croes as justice minister also send a PG back to The Netherlands.
Aruba is very picky with their PG.
surprises me even less that Dato Steenhuis now is nominated for PG.

this Dato Steenhuis thing triggered me.
the nerve Rudy has to nominate him.

if the newsmedia doesn't pick this up he gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet quietly.
it is a temporal job, maybe for year just like Nico Jörg.
Rudy probably had even more ridiculous first choices for PG.
so now he tries Steenhuis for temporal.

good sleuthing, caesu.  ::MonkeyShocked::

wow caesu, great job. keep connecting those dots.

You said you were worried about the civil suit and Mosko... I've been wondering about that also. I thought the Sloots were to be called in a matter of days... what happened to that? Were they called and did they appear? I think I saw something that said they had not even been served and also something that said Joran was served in the looney bin, but he doesn't seem to have been in the nut house. So, how was he served the official papers to appear?

I guess I want to know what is truly happening here?

maybe someone knows...

++++++++++++++++++

Klaas or *******, I did it again..  ::MonkeyHaHa::
please delete this post in the Shango and Simian thread. TIA

Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Our friend Dato...he's up to his eyeballs in chit....

vrijdag, 09 mei 2008  | antillen.nu


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PHILIPSBURG (20-07-06) - Former Chief Prosecutor of the Windward Islands Cor Merx faces a possible jail sentence today, Wednesday. Judge Rick Smid will be handing down his ruling in the case against Merx, who stands accused of involvement in fraud and the misuse of his office, The Daily Herald reports.

Merx faces one year in jail and the judge has also been asked to impose, as a special condition, a five-year ban on his employment as a civil servant in the Netherlands Antilles or its legal successor.

The Merx case contains all the elements of a good Broadway show. It's the stuff that movies are made of.

The main character, a dapper and likeable senior public servant admired by many, makes a critical mistake driven by love, passion and jealousy, and has to contend with the judicial authorities who, in his and his lawyer's view, are the evil geniuses in the plot, filled with allegations about dubious activities and backroom deals.

Merx, who had become renowned for his trademark black or Panama hat (depending on the occasion) and who, in some people's view, had become a populist prosecutor, left office cloaked in controversy and allegations about administrative and other wrongdoings.

He was in charge of the Prosecutor's Office from February 2001 until February 18, 2005, and formally until April 1, 2005. No wrongdoing

When Merx's surprise departure was officially announced in early 2005, there were many rumours about the reason for his sudden departure. However, Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles Dick Piar stated at the time that there had been no wrongdoing on Merx's part and that 'Merx himself' had opted to leave, ostensibly because of his poor health.

It became clear later that complaints about his functioning that had nothing to do with his health had already surfaced in December 2004 when, in a so-called 'bad weather conversation' he was informed of the fact that Willemstad no longer had confidence in him.

The complaints against him had to do with the illegal transport of 1,500 kilos of cocaine, allowing armed Dutch police officers to operate in St. Martin, the early release of prisoners from detention against payment to government, carrying out illegal telephone taps, and the unauthorised use of a government-owned car.

On his return to the Netherlands, Merx worked as a Solicitor General at the Court in The Hague, a position which Piar noted could not be considered 'a promotion,' but which, nevertheless, caused raised eyebrows in St. Maarten given the earlier pronouncements that he had left because of his poor health. His return

Equally surprising to many was the fact that the former Chief Prosecutor returned to St. Maarten in mid-September 2005 to work with Gibson and Associates, the law firm of then-minister of constitutional affairs Richard Gibson.

But more surprises were in store for the public. Merx was arrested on December 9, 2005, seven days before he was to be sworn in as an attorney, and was charged with forgery in connection with a request while he was Chief Prosecutor for the telephone records of his former girlfriend and her new friend.

He was also accused of having misused his power as Chief Prosecutor by coercing a colleague at the Prosecutor's Office to make the written petitions for the telephone records, and of having threatened his ex-girlfriend and her friend with his firearm.

It must have been particularly galling for the former Chief Prosecutor that he ended up spending several days behind bars at the start of his journey through the judicial process as an accused facing criminal charges.

While he was behind bars contemplating the predicament in which he found himself, Richard Gibson Jr. withdrew as his attorney and was replaced by high-profile criminal attorney Jairo Bloem of Bergman, Bloem and Bergman law firm.

A Judge of Instruction at the Court of First Instance in Curaçao rejected Bloem's first petition for Merx's release filed on December 13, 2005, stating there were 'indications of a reasonable suspicion that Merx could have committed forgery.'

Six days later (in time for Christmas) Merx was released from pre-trial detention, but the Judge of Instruction ordered that he deposit his passport at the Prosecutor's Office and that he stay clear of his former female partner.

Shortly after being released, Merx hosted a press conference and explained that he had been 'consumed by jealousy' when he made the requests for the telephone information of his former girlfriend and her friend.

'Insofar as these actions have tarnished or discredited the reputation of the Prosecutor's Office, I truly lament this very much. I have always been a God-fearing person who has done his utmost to keep this office in a state of good standing and reputation,' he told the press.

He did not respond to allegations swirling around that he had participated in the burning of the former Prosecutor's Office on Front Street. Trial

On the opening day of his trial on March 21, Merx said he had made a deal with the Prosecutor's Office that he would not be prosecuted if he resigned and left St. Maarten, which he did in April 2005. Bloem filed a request to hear 11 witnesses who he said would be able to confirm this deal and clarify other matters. Among these witnesses were Attorney General Dick Piar and members of the Prosecutor's Offices in Curaçao and St. Maarten, as well as Attorney General in The Hague Dato Steenhuis and Merx's former girlfriend.
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According to Prosecutor Gert Rip, no deals were ever made between Merx and the Prosecutor's Office. He confronted the Court with the contents of an e-mail sent by Steenhuis in which it was stated that Merx had never been promised he would not be prosecuted.

However, according to Bloem, it is obvious that deals like these are not closed on paper, 'because in cases like these, things are not dealt with in that way.'

Judge Rick Smid decided that only three witnesses needed to be heard: Piar, Prosecutor Johan de Vrieze and Acting Prosecutor Ludwina Sprok, who was Head of Administration and Secretary at the Prosecutor's Office at the time. Impeccable stature

In his closing speech, Rip said Merx had violated the trust put in him. 'A chief prosecutor needs to be of impeccable stature, as he is the man who is supposed to protect law and order. Based on personal motives he misused his power for his personal benefit, which has harmed the foundation of our legal system,' Rip said.

He held it against Merx that he was not showing remorse and was trying to play down the impact of his alleged crime. Merx said many requests had been filed by detectives and prosecutors to obtain telephone records without proper authorisation.

Bloem tried to convince the Judge that Merx had closed a deal with the leadership of the Prosecutor's Office prior to his departure for the Netherlands. He further stated that the Prosecutor had made a mistake in indicting Merx for fraud instead of the lesser charge of having abused his power as a civil servant. Based on these arguments, Bloem requested that the Prosecutor's case against Merx be declared inadmissible and that all charges be dropped.

Bloem has also requested that should the judge find his client guilty as charged, he should be spared a jail sentence.

Merx and all St. Maarten eagerly await the judge’s ruling today.(bron The Daily Herald)

Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Mrskub.....All I can say is....Beautiful....Thank You so very much for putting your heart to words.....Destiny...

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   one ringy dingy....two ringy dingy.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Save it to your PC - maybe you can use it for your answering message at home, LOLOL

Quitting is tough but you guys are tougher.

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A cage full of monkeys quitting somking?   :shocked:  Take cover!
Fireworks, just in time for the holidays!

           (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/fireworks1.jpg)


We need a spittin' and cussin' thread.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

YES we do....hey Klaas....think we *quitters* can have a *rage box* somehwere.....we're gonna need one....LOL.....

somking = smoking

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I like this version the best so far!

Love it.
 ::MonkeyCool::

See....You're already being a smartazz....ROFLMAO!

O/T  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2531.new#new

Wewwy funny Kwass.....

Oh Crap!....I'm *channeling* Elmer Fudd again....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am a drug and alcohol counselor and I quit smoking 8 years ago. If any of you need a little advice feel free to ask. I think it's wonderful that you are quitting, your body will thank you.

Thank You!...Yes...tell me...it's very...very...bad to try and pull this patch off...roll it up...and smoke it....

Wow!  There are Monkeys that do everything.  What a wonderful, talented group of people we have among us.

Go Grannies!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

MrsKub,
That is excellent! Soft yet strong, loving yet firm.

Love the fireworks; anyway to animate them?

Also, Klauss, is there any way to resize my avatar so it fits?

Destiny re:patches.....doesnt it hurt when you rip the patches off your fur? ::MonkeyRoll::

Destiny

I thought it would be nice to have one of the pictures of Dave with the Cross that some kind person made in Aruba
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DHolloway-at-cross.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DH-at-cross-1.jpg)

Maggie - made your avatar a bit smaller so it fits better.

OK...let's all try and get back on topic which is NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  We can talk about all our other trials and tribulations in the Musing thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::

One of the funniest things I ever saw was during a district barbershop contest.  The guys sang like Elmer Fudd.  One was dressed like him.  They sang "Up a Lazy River" which if you think about Elmer's voice would never work.  Most of the audience was rolling in the aisles!  Laughed so hard I can't remember their second song.

I agree, best effort so far.  I like the tone. 

You bet, First I would like to tell you why I believe the patch works well for some but not for others. Most cigarettes contain an awful lot of chemicals and I believe that some of those chemicals are addictive. I discovered that when I switched to all natural cigarettes I went through withdrawals even though I was smoking. After a few weeks the feelings of withdrawals subsided and a few months later I tried the patch and since the only addictive chemical in my body was nicotine, the patch worked awesome on my physical cravings. If you don't want to switch to naturals first that is ok just be prepared for more intense cravings. One of the most important things to keep in mind while quitting is that you need to keep your hands and mind occupied. For the hands I suggest using  a stress ball, they sell these in most department stores or you can develop a hobby that keeps your hands busy ( I actually used candy cigarettes because they kept my hands and mouth busy, be careful using candy or food due to potential weight and dental issues). To keep the mind busy you can take up a hobby or read more or engage in social activities with other non-smokers or anything else constructive that you can come up with. The last thing to keep in mind is that it is very important that you talk to others that are supportive of your endeavor and if you can make a point to associate with others who have quit smoking you will find that there is strength in numbers. If you need any clarifications or guidance feel free to ask I am always glad to help when I can.

Sorry for being off topic Klaas I will use the musings thread if anyone wants to continue this topic.

TY Blonde...

Memorial To Natalee
 
Dave Holloway at the makeshift memorial for his daughter, NataleeAs Dave walked down the beach, he happened upon a small wooden cross. When he looked closer, Dave noticed a rosary and the initials "N.H." carved in the corner. Dave said the image hit him like a punch in the stomach. It was a sobering dose of reality. Dave said that seeing the cross unraveled the thread of hope that his family has been holding onto -- the hope that Natalee may be coming home alive.

But I don't wanna go to musings heh heh

Love you Klass and glad to see you are HOME
been keeping my eye on you from a-far

ribbit

I agree.  It is warm, caring, delivers the message and is not attacking or condescending. 

Excellent! Bravo! mrskub this is Perfect!  ::MonkeyDance::

Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)

There are no good people on Aruba?   

That's just bullshit! (and to me that's not jmo....it's a fact.)

We were told at one time it was Ben Vocking but I believe it was a misidentification.  Here is a photo of Ben Vocking with PVDS:

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking4-1.jpg)

That is Ben Vocking the minister. Not the corrupt Ben Vocking that is a dirty hands and friends of PVDS.

Thank you this guy has NOTHING to do with the Natale Holloway case at all???

As far as I know..NO

Thanks everyone for the answers. 

Exactly, but if you look at that Judicial Inc website I think he still has this guy listed as "the" Ben Vocking.

uhhhhhhh....the *Uncle* we never talk about at Family Reunions?....

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I wonder if Klaas noticed the green froggy sassed her today? She has been sick.   :roll:

Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

No worries...I got it all down on paper.   ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Klaas!

I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow. You must be feeling better to venture over there. Your a goddess  ::MonkeyDance::

And they are very very sick.

I've saved this post from an old time Monkey for a long time  ::MonkeyWink:: Hope this helps.


_______________________________________________________
izzy Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 6:06 pm

Easy,

First of all, as a frequent lurker on the discussion board, I always enjoy reading what you have to say.

About the hate sites…I am both puzzled by and appalled at the level of venom and hatred exhibited by many of their regular posters against the family of Natalee Holloway. Seems like it began with a visceral reaction to Jug Twitty, who was a polarizing personality from the beginning, and soon expanded to include Beth Twitty and now Dave and Robin Holloway.

I’ve noted the following motivations behind some of the vitriol posted on the hate sites:

1) Class envy (all those comments about Mountain Brook)

2) Regional bias (i.e. anti-Southerner)

3) National pride (defending “attacks” on Aruba & the Netherlands)

4) Basic female cattiness/jealousy (refusing to believe Natalee could be such a good girl & high achiever)

5) Personal offense (e.g. one former SM poster is offended that Beth did not respond to her donations, many others were banned from this site)

6) Sycophancy (emulating the more strident/flamboyant/popular posters’ viewpoints)

Regardless of motivation, however, it is indeed hard to imagine what would drive these people to such a level of hatred that they will ignore facts and donate money to the defense of the obvious perpetrator(s), all the while viciously defaming the victim and her family. The psyche behind this behavior is truly disturbing.  

Hi Klaas,

Vent anytime you want. You've earned the right to do it!

Been out of town for a few days and couldn't check on our Cage. I see we haven't had much new happening but I hope everyone is well and as we near the 3-year mark, let's stay encouraged and keep at this task as much as we can.

Everyone hang in there! 

Sharon - thanks it did help  ::MonkeyWink::

I've always managed to read their crap without letting it get to me too much but to start this blame game with Tim Miller really got to me.  Tim Miller and his people never destroyed any turtle nests, that's BS...they weren't even in the area.  So much BS it just makes me sick.

The family of Jose Tromp contacted TES, not the other way around.  TES will not turn a family down when requested to help search for a loved one.  The only thing that would stop Tim and TES from helping the Tromp family is ALE and Aruba.  They can not allow TES to help. 

Tim Miller doesn't care if the missing person is Aruban, Iranian, Nigerian, Hungarian, North Korean, American, etc etc etc. 

klaas -- they don't understand 'goodness' or 'good people'.

It would be impossible for them to understand a man like Tim Miller, or an organization like TES. Or anything that represents goodness in mankind. They have nothing to relate it to.

I can only think that their role models while growing up were equally as depraved. But the cycle will have to stop soon -- or they will disappear from the evolutionary ladder ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had been so hopeful that the Saddam Hussein trials would have lasted longer -- as I was sure they all would have begun to forget about Natalee so that they could have begun to raise funds for Saddam's release  ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh well. Hopefully their 'mother ship' will come back and pick them up someday soon.

It's GREAT to have you back  ::MonkeyDance::

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Little Jerry Seinfeld

I'll translate the article.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Little Jerry Seinfeld, the winner of last week's Aruba soapbox derby delivers a speech before Parliament. In his address to the members Little Jerry Seinfeld called last weeks burning of the Kentucky Fried Chicken an intimidation tactic to discourage him from participating in the soap box derby.

Littel Jerry Seinfeld was quoted as saying - "No one intimidates this cock" before flapping off and demanding an investigation into the person or persons responsible for the act of intimidation.

Most will remember that Little Jerry Seinfeld and his wheel of fire clobbered the competition and is now in the running for King of the Caribbean.

Rudy "finger licking good" Croes was not available for comment.

www.24ora.com

E aña aki atrobe “Grupo di baile di Centro di Bario Playa Pabao” lo  prepara pa e fiesta di San Juan cual  lo tuma lugar dia 24 di Juni. Juffrouw Poppy  lo prepara alumnonan di e scolnan basico di e bario di Playa Pabao pa duna un presentacion durante e actividad di “Dera Gai”na Playa Pabao. Naturalmente muchanan di otro bario tambe ta bon bini. E muchanan no solamente lo siña e baile di San Juan pero tambe nan lo recibi informacion di e historia y tradicion di e fiesta aki. Na Centro di Bario Playa Pabao e fiesta di San Juan  lo wordo celebra Diamars  24 di Juni. E  programa lo wordo anuncia despues. Pues mayornan si bo ta interesa pa bo yiu forma parti di e actividad aki e ta bon bini Diamars 13 di Mei pa 5’or di atradi na Centro di Bario Playa Pabao pa mas informacion.

Luis Mansur and the Drug King Pens Ochoas

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Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::

Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.

Hi Rob,I havent seen a definite cartel but they are known to associate with The Cuntrera-Caruana Cartel(Italy and Canada) and Cali Cartel(Colombia). Whatever the name the Mansur Family is involved with  it's probably out of Venezuela.

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I'm not so sure. Wever, the one that got busted with the drugs and the 250k, was in Venezuela. Right???

I'm wondering how this got all got caught up in the real gears of justice when others have skated. Venezuela and Chavez seems to provide the cover that most of the narco-traffickers need. I think this group is most likely linked to Colombia. in my opinion anyway

I spelled Colombia right that time. I always spell it Columbia and kick myself afterward. ::MonkeyHaHa::

RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

I wonder if TES will help Aruba start their own search and rescue organization?

Sometimes all people need is a helping hand and some initiative.  mo

They were caught funneling 500,000 or more to the Cali Cartel in the Colombian elections so it very well could be. For over 50 years the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company also smuggled cigarettes into Colombia and they are directly linked to Money Laundering with Colombia(Lopesierra). The Mansur Family was mentioned by President Clinton and others as being major Drug traffickers,Gun Traffickers and Money launderers and they are very large. Quite a few drug traffickers in the 90's that were caught in Miami specifcly mentioned the Mansur Family. Luis Mansur was just nailed with over a Million dollars as well as that 600 kilos he probably financed. I think he fired a gun when the officers arrested him and I bet the have the goods on Money Laundering also. Yes Booshi/Caldelerio Wever was nailed big in Venezuela with cocaine but bought his freedom with 250k.

In this case I see possible links with Canada,Italy,American and Colombian Cartels. All of which are represented by the two Cartels I mentioned above. Then we have the Mob out of Chicago which could very well be working with that same Sicilian Mob the Cuntrera-Caruana as they owned the Holiday Inn before Posner bought it in 1998. As you know Posner's Mob and most of the other Mobs from Chicago are Italian. That same Cartel is also linked to Rudy and Hendrik Croes.

That is why I was interested to learn that Guido Wever may have fled to Canada after Natalee dissapeared. That is where Cuntera-Caruna based there operations besides Italy. There are also other pro-joran supporters from Canada and also that cartoonist. All of them seem to have Italian heritage.

We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
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Does that mean it's part of Kermie's permanent record?

roflmfao, that deserves playing again. 
dennisintn

lol, you can forget the "mother ship" coming back for them.  why do you think they were left here to begin with?
dennisintn

Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

Croak.

It ain't easy be'n green

Glad to know you're getting flies at the inlaws.

ribbit Ms. Klassend

Yes when your 6 foot 8 it's hard not to be seen in group photos ::MonkeyHaHa::

That Fat guy look's like some head Mafioso that wont stop eating until his stomach explodes  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Happy TGIF everyone!

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.

Don't worry Dennisitn....we have been working in a deep underground complex....a secrect formula has been discovered to eradicate them in their *pupal* stage....

They are Pupa...posting as human beings....

Columbia Encyclopedia: pupa
(pyū'pə) , name for the third stage in the life of an insect that undergoes complete metamorphosis, i.e., develops from the egg through the larva and the pupa stages to the adult. A complete metamorphosis is characteristic of members of the orders Coleoptera (beetles), Diptera (flies, mosquitoes, and gnats). Before entering the pupa stage the insect is an active larva, usually wormlike in form. The pupa is a resting stage in which the insect is transformed into an adult. It does not feed or increase in size, and typically it is outwardly inactive and covered by a hard integument.

*Translation*....they are stupid...hard headed...things under rocks and such.....easily swatted out of the way when adults...

That was from the movie "History of the World"  don't remember which part. 

I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.

I would hope a head Mafioso could afford a whole pair of pants.  (unless his name in the 'hood' was something like "Johnny Shortpants" or "Johnny Floodpants" something that was not PC)

What did Betico Croes safe Aruba from?

O/T

A little sumptin' for Kermie...hope this works....others may peak too ;-)

http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf

Yep...that's Mos in the back...the guy holding up the tent with his head.....

New name and place is a possibility. Joran would love buy himself a nice house in Spain or one of the other islands. He was anything but reclusive before the video but it does appear like he may get his buttkicked if he runs into the wrong person in Holland. I bet he hasn't shown his face much at all since February. I really get the feeling he is waiting for his big pay day. But it's not gonna come from his Daddy suing the Govt for his big fat check like he hoped for in the video.

7 million people watched that De Vries show in Holland,so I think Patrick is expecting to get rich. My question is who else is getting a cut?

 ::MonkeyEek::  Good one Destiny!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Your lungs are fine, Klaas...I think I hear an echo....A**A**A**  ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  The Pants, the Pants... ::MonkeyHaHa::

** repeat of joke from the first time this photo was posted:

note to self: start Tailoring business in Aruba --- make $$millions  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::

Do a lot of unpopular people go to Spain to run away? 

I was also thinking Canada.  Would Canadians notice Joran in a crowd?  Maybe in Ontario?

I don't see him going to some place like Mexico.  I can't imagine him living and loving a simple life.  mo

Like Mos, I'm thinking he's a lot taller than most people on the globe.  He is going to stand out where ever he goes. 

Spain is where the Dutch like to retire and yes that is where Sinterklaas(Dutch Santa Claus) sends the Dutch when they are bad each year..lol I cant picture Joran going to Canada although he would be close to Aruba's Mob friends. Many would definetly notice Joran in Ontario as that province is almost like a northern michigan.

Joran speaks Papi,Dutch and English so he could adapt quickly in spanish speaking countries and much of western europe. Spain or another Dutch territory is where I would put my money on. He already stated he wants to buy a house in Spain,he would live in warmer weather,live anonymously and could learn spanish quickly.

I thought Joran spoke four languages including Spanish.  It was part of the "Dutch know four languages" tidbits that have been bandied about for almost three years.

That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."

If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

I think they should start by cutting his *dinky-winky* off....so he doesn't breed....then they can start on the other stuff....

Excellent post Sharon!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hmm how about Joren Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

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What to do about identity?

Who knows how many cousins (close and distant) are in the Sloot family tree?  Maternal cousins?  Paternal cousins?

Borrow a cousin or other family member's identity and move elsewhere, apply for residency/citizenship.  How many family connections do the VDS have?
~~~~~~

I'm not that guy, I'm his cousin!  It's tough to be me.  It's hard to find a date.  Everybody thinks they recognize him.

Yeah, I heard the father files compensation claims weekly.

Yeah....

Oh Chit....depends time.....Thanks *******.....

Did you change something??...see no difference. sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

o/t did jossy have a monkey name when he would talk to you all

Jossy Mansur?

I agree.  Play it again.

I think about that missing passport.  I think about how American's tend to talk and speculate about all the bones that are found on Aruba.

How hard would it be to leave a bone with something that would identify it as Joran?  Then, a public notice that Joran lost his passport to thieves and then he disappeared.  A bone (or something) is found.  With all the connections, how easy would it be to fake his disappearance?

Joran's fake disappearance would fix the problem for Aruba.  It would fix the problem for his family.  Some might think the story would go away.

Anyone see Joran lately?

to Destiny, yes jossy

John Candy is a comedic legend.  This is a fat guy who needs a better tailor.  Those pants are too short.  He needs to get that pudgy paw off his gut.  Calls attention to that big belly...unless of course he's just trying to hide that he popped that first button on his coat.

Prostitution Report
from Aruba



Aruba is a Dutch island where P4P is legal if the establishment is registered with the Govt. This was my first trip to the island and I decided to explore the chica options.

Escorts From my experience, the chicas are from Colombia and Venezuela. The age of the escorts are in their 20’s. In the Aruba Today newspaper (free in hotel lobbies) there are escort services advertisements. Of the five I saw, I contacted three of them. A fourth I called did not answer the phone and I never tried the fifth, since by then I was busy with the chicas. Yap Yum. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room. If you need to get away, it’s an extra $20 US for a motel room, he picks you up and return. The manager is Gene, a really nice guy. I ended up hanging out with him many nights in San Nicolas. I also sampled all his chicas. He had a service where he will take you to San Nicolas and explore the chica bar scene with you. This was very valuable to me since this was my first trip to the island. After that experience, I spent most of my nights in San Nicolas. Exotic. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room and during the day, he has a house you can use, which is near the hotel area, at no extra charge. He will pick you up and return. The manager (owner?) is Clerance(sp?), and English is not his first language. Clerance also runs the Players Gentlemen’s Club (strip joint) in Oranjestad (I didn’t get a chance to see it). Elite. The owner is Eddie and he charges $120 US per hour in your hotel room. He has a website at www.arubaescort.com. There was also advertisement for World Best Escort Services & Massage, and Doll House. I don’t have any info on those.


Red Light District- San Nicolas This is where you will find the chica bars. It’s on the other side of the island from the hotels. It was reported that there are 31 chica bars in San Nicolas. There are usually 4 chicas per bar. Therefore, there are about 124 chicas (all from Colombia) in San Nicolas. Their rooms are next to the bars. All the chicas I talked with were in their early 20’s. You pay the bartender a room (and condom) charge and then you pay the chica. I found the usual price for the room to be $10 US and the chica $40 US per 30 minutes. I did have one chica ask for $30 US. Sometimes the amount of drinks I bought was deducted from the room charge. Of course, everything can be negotiated. It’s good to make friends with the bartender. Sometimes they are the owners of the bar. The chicas have 3 month contracts and they can only be in Aruba once a year (the escort girls’ situation seems to be different but I don’t have the details on this). Most of the chicas are light skin, but they are some dark skin available. I explored the following bars; Minchis Bar, Kiss Me Night Club, Ron & Menta Bar, China Clipper Bar, Bongo Bar, Copacabana Bar, Carolina Bar, Atoma De Mujer, Chesterfield Bar, American Bar (with restaurant attached inside), Caracas Bar, Saikong, Sto. Domingo Bar, Las Vegas Bar, Java Bar, Black & White Bar, Roxy Bar, Pleasure Zone, Sayonara Bar, Baranca Bar, and Caribbean Bar. I went looking for petite/slender chicas and found a number of them. Basically, there are a lot of different body types among the Colombianas.

General Notes. The Florin and US dollars are used everywhere. But most places will give you Florin change back. A lot of places will not take any higher than a $20 US bill. They have had problems in the past with fake currency. ATM machines are available (I used the one in my hotel lobby a lot), but be warned- do not use ATM machines in the casinos, the fees are way too high). The ATM machine in my hotel lobby (Wyndham) did not charge a fee and I got US currency. Arubans are Dutch and they speak four languages (Dutch, English, Spanish, and Papiamento). You will need a car to visit San Nicolas unless you use the bus system. The taxis are too expensive. It’s also hard to find taxis in San Nicolas late at night. Aruba is more expensive (food, hotel, airfare, etc) than the Dominican Republic. There are a lot of Americans vacationing on the island and there is a lot of timeshare property on the island. When leaving the island, you go thru Aruba customs and then U.S. customs (if you are flying to the U.S.) in the airport, so get to the airport early. You land like a domestic flight back in the U.S. (which means that you can get home faster). My typical day was watersports (sailing, snorkeling, etc.) during the day, escort in the late afternoon, and San Nicolas at night. The chicas in San Nicolas are usually stuck there all day, so they really like it when someone picks them up and takes them into town (Oranjestad) or to the beach/movies, etc. You can get some real GFE action. The bars in San Nicolas are closed on Sunday.



http://www.worldsexarchives.com/world_sex_guide/3Aruba.html

I thought he might be having a little "indigestion"  ::MonkeyWink::

Might all work...until he opens his mouth.  His ego is so big, he's lost the ability to STFU.  I would think that would be important to the goal of staying alive and living happily ever after as a murdering scumbag.  He can't quit talking.  I'm counting on it being his downfall.

STD/HEALTH TESTS Aruba

The club owners import 150-200 Columbian girls to work in their bars. The girls send photos along with a health certificate from home, and the clubs pick and choose the best ones. Upon arrival, the girls receive another health check and then rent rooms at the clubs for $30 a day. The girls do quite well under this arrangement compared to poverty-stricken Columbia, and the clubs foot the bill for their required weekly screenings, and they have only 90-day visas and then they can’t return for year…all approved by the local government.

http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007/06/aruba-part-1.html

and is it just me, but aren't the other pants way to long?  Maybe i like a cleaner look on men. Not Johnny highwaters, but just breaking at the shoe...those are dragging at the shoe.  Is that the style now?

I agree with Ya Peaches....his ego is soooooooo big....he wouldn't allow any changes to his looks....he thinks he's *perfect*....his mouth will be his downfall....just as you said....

Nope...that's just what happens to pants....when you have no *spine* to hold them up....

Joran keeps talking, and talking, and talking.

I have to believe that after the recent witch hunts in the Netherlands (see the various youtubes) that he realizes that his life is not normal for someone his age.  He is not a rock star, and is not a member of the Hilton family (that I know of).

Maybe it would have been easier to just tell the truth.  Was he ever served with papers for the Dutch lawsuit?

Is there any update on that action?

TexasMom....he's really trying to keep that slimey little *alien* thingie from poopin' outa his chest.....

Jossy Mansur  011 297 582 6747

Let's call him...and ask him....one ringy dingy...two ringy dingy....

Didn't JVDS have a friend that didn't speak Dutch or Papi?  A more recent immigrant to Aruba?  I remember the Spanish language PVs too.

JVDS would not have to spend years learning Spanish, it was all around him.  His friends, his vacations, the maid, the tourists, the Kalpoes?

AZ, I'm with you!  Apparently nobody knows how to buy and/or tailor a pair of mens pants.  The long ones look ridiculous as well.

And what is going on with that orange dress?  Next to Mr. Hand on his Gut.  What is going on with the skirt???   Is it caught somewhere? 

Poor thing, once she gets that dress worked out, she might be more attractive without the Emily Litella style specs.  I'm just saying......

I've been in a playful mood tonight...I will step out of that roll for the moment....Jossy has/still is a very viable Friend to the cause...I was just joking about calling him...that is only the main number to the paper...

Jossy doesn't make everyone happy all the time...but...he does what he can...in a somewhat dangerous situation...I respect him.

Why may I ask...did you ask this question?....I'm only curious...

Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

I like the orange/yellow dress...it is very colorful.  Very full of life.  The glasses have attitude.  I will admit that sometimes, attitude makes a strong statement in pictures.

It looks to me like the wind is blowing the skirt and hair.

If you are asking if Jossy has ever posted at Scared Monkeys in the forum or the front page using either his name or a nickname, I would say NO.  Not that I am aware of.  I really don't think Jossy has the time nor inclination to be posting comments on the internet.

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny

Destiny, I didnt want his phone number!!!!  I wanted to know if he had a Scared Monkey name that he used when he talked to you alll.

Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

Casa - somehow you make me feel guilty for working on cleaning out my computer desk (that needs to be dismantled this weekend due to construction work in this area) and not responding to your post.

I cannot do what I need to do right now in this house with everything going on and watch and respond to all messages.  I'm very sorry if you felt ignored but it was not intentional.

Sweetie....I didn't give you his phone number.....I was kidding around....I posted a few posts above this one...my *true* reply...

You are doing just fine....stolen line from Klaas...

Destiny, you are sweet to respond. I am used to being ignored. 

Thats ok Destiny, heck if hes single give me his phone number too.

the skirt looks like the lining wasn't pulled down all the way, but maybe that is how it was made.  Kind of short underneath with a lower voile overlay. 

Casa - by the way, hope your daughter is feeling better.

Klaas it is ok.  I can handle being ignored.  I expect no special treatment but when you are friends of the family and have been here from the very beginning it is sort of like a slap in the face when you are ignored when others who have no connection and have some strange opinions are embraced.  But guess that is part of it and I should ignore the crazy theories.

Thanks! She is much better! She was a very sick girl!

Casa - I don't even know what crazy theories you are talking about right now. 

The way I see it this case is multidimensional.  There is the obvious guilty parties (JK2 and possibly PVDS), then there is a larger cover up that involves many and is very politically motivated. 

Yes, I was reading about it.  Sounds like she's going to need her tonsils out right?  They used to take out tonsils more often when I was a kid, then when my son was young they stopped doing it for some reason.  I can remember getting strep throat every year until they finally took out my tonsils. 

yep tonsils out as soon as possible.

It will be interresting to see if Aruba/ALE will allow TES to come to Aruba and help search for Jose Tromp as his family has requested. 

Casa...Sweet One....sending Prayers...lighting a white candle for *health* for Your Dear Daughter.....Prayers for ALL of Your Family Casa......Destiny...

Good night klass...sweet dreams and fresh air...

Destiny, didnt see your real answer about Jossy, whether he has a monkey moniker.....

I just don't know how you friccin' do it Girl.....Sleep deep....sleep well....Heal....

Always - I answered you, the answer is NO.

Now I'm really saying goodnight, LOL

I don't have that answer for you.....

Yes...that is a phone call for Monday for me........

Destiny, I guess I worded that wrong....I wanted to read what he had written because someone in Simeon and Shango blog said he had quit writing....I wasnt looking for personal information about him.......

Shango...Lala's Mom...is the *key keeper*....you must ask her....

Photos:  15 Unsolved FBI Mysteries

http://www.comcast.net/news/national/unsolved/slideshow/view/

 :smt055 :cheers:

Klaas, don't try to have a battle of the wits with unarmed people.

If they do make you sick, I will go unplug them myself...

 :smt021

Maybe we could help him out.  I'm sure we could come up with someone who would re-arrange his face for free.  Just trying to do my part...

WG, I love your angel.  Your posts are cracking me up.

Wow!  Thanks for bringing that to my attention, *******.  How did I miss that one.  Well said, Sharon.

BH  (Standing on my roof applauding)
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(Oh Klaas, can you send your roof guy over here when he is finished.  Thanks.   :smt087)

I am sorry to hear about your daughter, Casa.  I hope she is much stronger now.

I am sorry that you feel that way, casa.  Sometimes I am laying down and other times I am up.  I usually respond if I can.  If it is a post that needs to be answered right away, I usually don't answer it as I am usually playing catch up and always think the post has been answered by then.

I sometimes get distracted by your little kitty wondering what he is doing and feel like a _voyeur.

Now we know what Joran is up to.  He is writing historical features for the Aruban archives.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

Good Day Cage Mates!

Hope Klaas is feeling stronger today....hope Casa'a Daughter is doing much better....hope Joran gets an impacted tooth today...ooops...did I say that?.....

Destiny ;-)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good Day Destiny! 

BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!

Good to see you BOC!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hi BOC....got my matches handy....lighter fluid too...LOL

Tex....you got mail...;-)

Bearly....when it comes to that group...I use a commercial grade spray painter...swhoosh....

I see there is a Rodriguez-Romero arrested. When was Daury arrested? March - April? This is probably a totally different ring.

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/crime/2008/05/09/u_s_attorney_operation_pink_tiger_nabs_m

U.S. Attorney: 'Operation Pink Tiger' nabs major drug dealers
Posted by Adam Lynn @ 05:27:35 pm
Friday, May 9th, 2008

Six more people were charged Friday with federal drug crimes as a result of "Operation Pink Tiger," an investigation aimed at breaking up what authorities are calling a major narcotics trafficking ring operating in South King County.

In all, 17 people from Burien to Fife have been charged with importing heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine into the Puget Sound region, according to a press release issued Friday by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Seattle.

Authorities have seized more than 18 kilograms of cocaine and $240,000 in their operation.

Here's the press release in full:

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    “OPERATION PINK TIGER” NETS SIXTEEN ARRESTS, 18+ KILOS COCAINE, AND $240,000+ CASH

    Ten Month Investigation of Cocaine, Heroin, and Methamphetamine Distribution Ring

    The King County Sheriff’s Office and the Drug Enforcement Administration concluded “Operation Pink Tiger” today with the filing of charges against six defendants for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Methamphetamine. The arrests late yesterday bring to 17 the total number of defendants charged in the case. One charged defendant remains a fugitive. The operation took it’s name from the original target of the probe who went by the nickname “Tigre,” and the fact that cocaine was wrapped in distinctive pink cellophane. The first arrests and indictments in the case occurred in late March 2008, with the arrest of ten people for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Heroin. This investigation utilized court authorized wiretaps, which were left in place even after the first round of arrests. The wiretaps lead to additional evidence which resulted in the additional arrests.

    Last night law enforcement executed seven search warrants and seized more than 16 kilos of cocaine, three guns and more than $203,000 in cash. Four cars were seized. An additional person was arrested for involvement in the drug conspiracy, but later was released when he was found to be a juvenile.

    Eight search warrants were served on March 25, 2008, which resulted in ten arrests, seizure of two kilos of cocaine and a pound of heroin. In addition law enforcement seized three guns, eight cars and $40,000 in cash.

    “This drug trafficking organization was based in Burien, Washington and had direct ties to Sinaloa, Mexico, an area directly responsible for sourcing drugs to the United States,” said Special Agent in Charge Arnold R. Moorin. “The organization was large, well established and was distributing over 30 kilograms of cocaine per month in the greater Seattle area. The Drug Enforcement Administration will continue to work with our federal, state and local partners to combat and dismantle organizations such as these, who bring their illegal activities and violence to our communities.”

    According to records filed in the case, using confidential informants and court authorized wiretaps, law enforcement was able to uncover a distribution ring for kilo quantities of cocaine and heroin centered around El Flamingo Restaurant in Burien, Washington. DOMINGO BAILON-YANEZ, 30, of Burien, was identified as the alleged leader of that distribution ring. El Flamingo Restaurant is owned by a relative of BAILON-YANEZ, and both the manager of the restaurant, RIGOBERTO SABALSA-LOZANO, 43, of SeaTac, and bartender CARLA RODRIGUEZ-ROMERO, 26, of Kent, have been charged in the case.

    These defendants are indicted and were arrested in March 2008, for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Heroin:

    DOMINGO BAILON-YANEZ 30, Burien, Washington
    RIGOBERTO SABALSA-LOZANO, 43, SeaTac, Washington
    APOLINAR GUEVARA-TEJADA, 30, Fife, Washington

    ALBERTO ROMAN-PEREZ, 26, Federal Way, Washington
    ANTONIO SOTELO-TELLEZ, 29, Fife, Washington
    CARLA RODRIGUEZ-ROMERO, 26, Kent, Washington
    HUMBERTO CRISANTO-ARTEAGA, 29, SeaTac, Washington
    SIRINO HERNANDEZ-CORIA, 21, Burien, Washington
    JOSE ORELLANA, 38, Burien, Washington
    SAMUEL ESPINDOLA-VEJAR, 24, Burien, Washington

    These defendants have been charged with Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Methamphetamine and will make their initial appearance in federal court at 2:30 today:


    JAVIER GASTELUM-INZUNZA, 29, Auburn, Washington
    ALONSO ROJO-LOPEZ, 21, Burien, Washington
    EFREN GALLEGOS-RAYMUNDO, 33, Burien, Washington
    SALVADOR HERNANDEZ-ARGUELLO, 43, Maple Valley, Washington
    OSCAR MANUEL VARGAS-FELIZ, 32, Federal Way, Washington

    GUTAVO ROJO-MELENDEZ, 18, Burien, Washington

    The charges contained in the indictment are only allegations. A person is presumed innocent unless and until he or she is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

    Conspiracy to distribute the amounts of drugs involved in this case is punishable by a mandatory minimum ten years to life in prison and a $4 million fine. Use of a juvenile to facilitate a drug crime can add an enhancement to the sentencing range, under federal law.

    This was an Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation, providing supplemental federal funding to the federal and state agencies involved. The case was investigated by the King County Sheriff’s Department, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and the FBI.

    The case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Sarah Vogel and Karyn Johnson.

From Websleuths...Joran drinking rum and doing heroin?????

nl news

http://www.dag.nl/1073268/NIEUWS/Art...n-Thailand.htm

Joran gespot in Thailand

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06-05-2008 | Door: DAG
Van der Sloot aangeschoten wild voor Geenstijl en Telegraaf.
Het leek voor Joran van der Sloot afgelopen met de massale media-aandacht, toen het OM besloot om hem niet te vervolgen voor de moord/vermissing van de Amerikaanse Nathalee Holloway. Maar niets is minder waar. De Telegraaf en Geenstijl.nl zitten hem overal op de hielen. Nu is de 'Vieeeeeze' Arubaan op Thailand gespot.

Geenstijl wist de hand te leggen op scans van zijn paspoort, dat volstaat met internationale stempels. Eerder kopte de Telegraaf al 'Joran lacht in Thailand'. Daar geniet de voormalige verdwijningsverdachte volgens Geenstijl van Bacardi's en Thaise hoeren. Zie ook:

Het hele dossier Joran van der Sloot
Video: Parodie op videobeelden Joran
‘Joran en familie opnieuw voor de rechter’
Nederland krijgt primeur boek Van der Eem

word lingo translation:

Joran sneered in Thailand
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06-05-2008 | By: DAY
of of the ditch hit wildly for none style and telegraph.
http://www.dag.nl/web/contentViewCou...entid=73268Het seemed for Joran of of the ditch expired with the massive medium attention, then it Public Prosecution Service decided him for the assassination/vermissing of the American Nathalee not continue Holloway. But nothing is less where. The telegraph and Geenstijl.nl sit him everywhere on the heels. Now the Vieeeeeze Arubaan on Thailand have been sneered.
None style could lay the hand on scans of its passport, which is enough with international stamps. Rather the telegraph headed already Joran laughs in Thailand. There the former disappearance verdwijningsverdachte enjoys according to none style Bacardi's and Thai hoeren. See also:
The complete file Joran of of the ditch
video: Parody on video pictures Joran
`Joran and family for judge the Netherlands
gets early product book of of the Eem again
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Can you believe the 'balls' of this guy to be doing drugs in Thailand?  I hope they give him all the Herion he wants, and then lock his AZZ up for good!! How is your 'sporter' now Anita???

I agree with you AZSunny!  It's still very interesting to me that he chose to go to Thailand, knowing the addict he is; and the consequences for drug possession there.....What connections does he or his family have that obviously has him convinced that he's above the law there too? 

http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.

I hope he crashes and burns....the unmitigated gall of this burnout... never ceases to amaze/sicken me...Psychopath...Sociopath...Narcissistic...AZZOHOLIC is right!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you!  She is doing much better!

Ha ha!  My little kitty is busy busy!  I apologize for being a big baby.  I've had a stressful week!  Thanks for responding! 

Haha Detiny I agree with you!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

witness "maria" is insisti cu curpa of natalee not owing to worde throw in sea

saturday, 10 may 2008

oranjestad (aan): one relato cu owing to aparece in prensa dutch, owing to show cu ministerio publico of aruba owing to as debido cuenta also cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu have vision psychico, y esnan cu is representa they self because; ‘medium’. for of month of june 2005 end, daily paper self owing to ricibi one avalancha of tip of various “psychic” of merca, kendenan owing to give all clase of informacion, incluyendo some cu is send map cu one area where they're “sinti” cu natalee is wanta or bury.

do not of merca only! even for of the netherlands had person cu owing to send informacion, incluyendo one child muher that not was know self of the caso of natalee. till hour cu two year after the cara of natalee owing to leave on first pagina of one magazine big at the netherlands... the hour numa past owing to achieve one of his ‘vision’ cu the was achieve in pasado, y owing to suministra informe at daily paper y at ministerio publico, of one “homber ambulante that is march cu sombre of cabana all morning buscando cocolishi”, is envolvi.

daily paper of comienzo was send all informacion cu enter here, for police of aruba. incluyendo uno of the conocido karen gdosessoff, that at august 2005 owing to send the relato here for aruba. past owing to achieve “contacto psichico” cu natalee, y owing to place on paper thing the is mirando, incluyendo the storia cu natalee is bury in one poz, cu is self deep cu one tree of luz. past owing to splica cu first cu esey, hombernan owing to carga natalee y hinke in one cas style bungalow cu roof berde, wall beige, y window of tree color berde. the had one bicycle tricycle in gang, y only one camber, cushina, sitting-room, y airco at wall. had some cloths y zapato of man in the closet cu have door of spiel. first cu esey, the hombernan owing to bay cune some lugar, incluyendo one ‘observation deck’.

the news new cu owing to leave in prensa dutch, owing to come of one interview cu fiscal majoor hans mos, that owing to show cu they owing to achieve more of 10 person cu is see more far cu normal, y owing to give they informacion, y cu is tell cu they if know where natalee is. “uno of they owing to tell cu the is assure cu the child muher is bibo still at venezuela,” mos owing to tell. “un another is assure cu the is bury at part east of the island.” ministerio publico is ricibi all tip, even if is come of hendenan cu is present they self because; ‘medium’.

the usage of personanan so door of police y husticia, according mos do not raro. at the netherlands also is haci usage of they, but tog never one caso owing to arrive of worde soluciona via of they. ministerio publico of aruba assure not have intencion of close the caso of natalee holloway, after cu the sospechoso joran van der sloot self owing to open his mouth back. “debi at the transmision of peter r. de vries, one fluho of informacion owing to cuminza enter, y is van der sloot his culpa self cu past owing to place the caso achieve one life new, y the is follow haci esey in prensa.”

at the ocasion here, daily paper wanted owing to publica one carta anonimo of one such “maria”, cu owing to worde send for of the netherlands via post. apart from daily paper, the person owing to send copia for de telegraaf, y peter r. de vries. one carta in dutch malisimo, cu is ponebo think if acaso the is basa on realidad.

colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the was on beach after of owing to happen in quarrel cu his amigo, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one muher. the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is gritando name of the child, but the muher blond not was reacciona more. beach had none another person more.

diripiente joran owing to core bay hotel, y hour past owing to return, past owing to grab the child muher, follow bark, but the not was reacciona more. some rato after the father owing to arrive, y they owing to deal at reanima the child muher, but without result. i have hear claramente hour the father owing to tell “zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven till ruineren”. one dutch malisimo, cu the father never owing to tell algo so.

according the such maria here, tanto the father y joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey. the not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, y after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, y joran owing to march bay sea for wash his zapato debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, y the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar.

according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.

 

 

Doing a drive by.... we still need to write to media regarding Becca McEvoy and I had an email about Jacey Hardin.  BOth of the little girls deserve no less of our best efforts than Natalee... and because of Natalee's legacy we all know more about these cases.

Pls check out the front pages and the thread crimes against children and write en mass to Nancy Grace and Greta to get national coverage on these two very simialr cases!

I know we can make it happen y'all.... and please don't say it just makes you so angry that you can't deal with it... as long as we say that then there will be no change!

bbl...

take care monkeys.

Tim Miller & Texas EquuSearch Going Back to Aruba … Help Search for Missing Aruban Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp
 
Back to Aruba …
Tim Miller and members of Texas EquuSearch will be heading back to Aruba to help search for missing Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp. TES plans fly back to Aruba sometime later this coming week to help in the search for Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp who has been missing since November 27, 2007. TES has gotten permission from police and ministers approval to help aid in the search for Aruban resident, Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp.
Since Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp had gone missing, many searches were done by the family and ALE to get to this without any result. The family then contacted TES to help with the search and provide their expertise. Texas Equusearch will be working with Aruban law enforcement on this case.
TES has been to Aruba on multiple occasions searching on land and sea for Natalee Holloway, who went missing in May 30, 2005. This time TES will be searching for one of Aruba’s own.

Just got back from the store and have to admit I'm not quite up to my normal lightening speed, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I want to see this entire article completely translated.  I don't think Natalee is in the ocean either,   Thanks for posting this msmarple!

DIG UP THE DAMN POOL AREA....hell...dig up the whole damn place....

The dam is cracking...leaking...crumbling.....

This may not be a popular request, but TES is going to need donations (as they always do).  It doesn't matter who they are searching for, they still need donations.  Please consider making a donation to TES for either the NH search or ANY other searches including Jose Tromp in Aruba.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Hey!...Sweaty Running Man...and see-through-blouse-cow....maybe you should plan your *last* pool party....ya might not have one soon....also...how long do you think it will take your drug riddled *spawn*...to completely crack......

Casa....good to hear your Dear Daughter is feeling better....I understand stress...it sucks!

Klaas....do we have a *family* photo to go with this post?

TIA....Destiny

Klaas....my offer to throw a fund raiser at my business...still stands...

This image is from the Diario article that Ms. Marple posted:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Diario05102008.jpg)

Okay, where would this be in relation to the new recent pond search area that caps is talking about? Any ideas?

Thanks Tex....I've been trying to access Diario online...must be busy....this doesn't sound like the article that Ms. Marple posted....I'll go back and re-read it....I thought it said something about Natalee being buried on the House Propery of the Sloots...in cement....I think I'm learning a little PAP...LOL....thanks for posting this!

it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142

This is the part of the article Ms. Marple posted...the part I was talking about....I'm still re-reading it...over and over...still can't access online paper...

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according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.*

 

Not at the moment, I'm sort of out of sorts with the computers at the moment ...sorry  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank You anyway!...Glad to see you smiling....

From the "little" I can make out of the article....I think they are saying that there were several theories by many psychics of Natalee's whereabouts in 2005.  The image I posted is one of four images available, I clicked on the picture of Natalee in the article and scrolled through them to find it.

Thanks Tex...finally got online...will follow in your footsteps ;-)

I have been looking at the google earth version of where this pond is located...could that electrical tower actually be a cell tower?   don't we have a map of all the cell locations on Aruba?  I know Marlee sent me one, but I can't seem to get it to load right now.

Party on Joran  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.darrylsplace.com/thai/htm...egalities.html Drug Penalties
CATEGORY I dangerous narcotics such as heroin, amphetamine, methamphetamine, ecstasy and LSD

Possession: imprisonment of 1-10 years and a fine of 10,000 - 100,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment of 6 months - 10 years and a fine of 5,000 - 100,000 Baht

CATEGORY II ordinary narcotics such as coca leaf, cocaine, codeine, concentrate of poppy straw, methadone, morphine, medicinal opium and opium

Possesion: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment of 6 months - 10 years and a fine of 5,000 - 100,000 Baht

CATEGORY III narcotics which are in the form of medicinal formula and contain narcotics of Category II as ingredients

CATEGORY IV chemicals used for producing narcotics of Category I or II such as acetic anhydride, acetyl chloride, ethylidin diacetate, chlorpseudoephedrine, ergometrine, ergotamine, isosafrole, lysergic acid, piperonal and safrole

Possession: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

CATEGORY V 4 narcotics which are not included in Category I to IV - i.e. cannabis, kratom plant, poppy plant and magic mushroom.

Possession: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment not exceeding 1 year and a fine not exceeding 10,000 Baht


The above information was availibel through

Please note, if you are found in possession of a lot of drugs, the police authorities will assume you are carrying with an intent to sell. The penalties for this are severe in Thailand. You can get life or even execution
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How about the added gift of "caning"?? ::MonkeyCool::

Does anyone know....was this call, while Joran was in jail, made from the illegal cell phone??

Name/Title. Phone call Tap between Joran van der Sloot and Paul van der Sloot
File No:
Date: 13 June 2005 / 13:30
Pages :2
Writer/ Initiator Setar (phone company)
Description: Phone call Tap between Joran and Paul van der Sloot
Source: Setar (phone company)
Lab nr: none
Location: Aruba

My brother donated.

ribbit casa

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

love it

ROFLMAO ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

They make it easy to pick out evil. Heh Heh

 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Glad you liked it Kermie...gives a whole new meaning to *Dinner Theater*...for frogs.....

So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

It is outrageous Caesu!! :( They needed someone who was dirty and corrupt so they would fit right in.

Yes he will act as the Prosecutor General until the end of the year  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know what Mos's title is..I know he doesnt have KJ's job as Chief Prosecuter as that is Dop Kumiel. He isn't the AG either,He's like the head of the OM and the head BS PR spokesperson for that part of the Govt. He described himself like a Director(Manager)of the OM.

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.
the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47

i am not 100% sure now.
but i think Hans Mos has KJ's job: public prosecutor.

and Dop Kruimel is press public prosecutor.
her job is to speak to the press. to explain indictments to the press.

i don't know if there was also a press public prosecutor around when KJ was there.

but Mos sort of sidelines Dop Kruimel and speaks to the press himself.
public prosecutor and press public prosecutor are equal jobs, same requirements.

some OM's also have a spokesman. this is then kind of the secretary for the press public prosecutor.

but things on Aruba are really the other way around. nobody knows what they are doing or should be doing at that OM is seems. this was also in that article you posted last week from A. de Cuba. that nobody picked up the phone at the OM. they were all taking courses at other islands.

so you might be right after all.

In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is the AG or Prosecution spokesperson(Mos) is, the result will be the same. The "Thorazine" society just doesn't care. They did wake from their slumber to bitch they weren't being paid enough, but it's back to sleep now.

I think it does serve notice to Holland that their justice system is in need of an overhaul. Top to bottom. Once some of these judicial and legal rats get their hooks into the system they fight to keep each other in power.

Shuffling all these guys around just makes it harder to get a prosecution as they need to get up to speed and most lack the will.

jmo

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=%22hans+mos%2C+hoofdofficier+van+justitie%22&btnG=Zoeken&meta=

hans mos, hoofdofficier van justitie

head public prosecutor

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=%22dop+kruimel%22+persofficier+aruba&btnG=Zoeken&meta=

dop kruimel, persofficier

press public prosecutor.

they've got 4 public prosecutors on aruba.
including 1 head, 1 press.

by the way, in this article Rudy Croes is denying that the OM overspend their budget:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42099.php

We were told when KJ was there that the AG and her bosses would not allow her to speak. She gave a interview early on and that was about it,after a short time she stopped communicating with the Family. Beth says it was after her and jug were questioning how the the blood turned into chocolate in Deepak's car. As you know they then hired a attorney for better communications with the OM.  If you google interviews with her and Van Der Straten you will find very little and you won't find even one with Dennis Jacobs.

They said that thing's were different with the new team and Mos and that they were gonna communicate more with the Family and Media. All they did was put up a hired gun to BS everyone and to protect there precious tourism and cover up. When has Mos ever commented on the ridiculous blunders by Paul's friends that killed Natalee's chance at justice? They will continue to make attempts to end this without ever prosecuting anyone or revealing the truth and drag it out as long as possible in hopes everyone moves on.

you are totally right.

all those fancy names don't help a bit.
there is even the position "super procureur general"
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland)

but i think the netherlands is really scared to get all these old cows out of the ditch.
all kinds of scandals might get exposed.
most of them related to the dutch colonial past.
the PG revolt i mentioned earlier is also connected to Rolph Gonzalves.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolph_Gonsalves

he was "vice-super PG" at that time. he supposedly killed of ordered the killing of many indigenous people in Irian Jaya - a former colony of the netherlands.

and this PG revolt possibly connected to Desi Bouterse (surinam drugs cartels / december murders).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_murders
many colonial scandals still unexposed it seems...

the trust in the dutch legal system is already low due to many mistrials or wrongfull convictions (some later corrected).
there are also very presistent rumours that the head of the dutch justice department (secretary general Joris Demmink) is a child molester / pedo.
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=demmink+pedo&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=
if all those scandals get exposed the trust in the legal system will hit rock bottom.

so maybe the strategy is not to expose these fo the sake of the continuation of the justice system.
because of every single ruling (also the non disputable rulings) get questioned the entire rule of law system is undermined.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
clean it up before the whole system collapses on itself i think.

i messed up the internetlink i previous post.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland)

Super-PG

super useless IMO

 ::MonkeyEek::
due to bracket link doesn't work. sorry.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland) (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland))

Caesu,
I've read many things about the Steenhuis appointment.  If I remember correctly, one of the items stated that he would only remain in the position until December; because he would then be 65 years old.  At that age he would be required to step down from what I understood.  Is that correct?

I think this was a interesting story today. It would be even more interesting if that station wagon was yellow like what Junior saw at the dump with the red jeep. I know PVDS poured concrete after Natalee dissapeared but where? Was it a smokescreen for work at the house? ..Would he be that brazen to bury a murdered girl in his back yard? Or was the concrete poured for other reasons or somewhere else?

Snip
colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the was on beach after of owing to happen in quarrel with his friend, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one muher. the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is gritando name of the child, but the muher blond not was reacciona more. beach had none another person more.

according the such maria here, tanto the father and joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey. the not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, and after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, and joran owing to march bay sea for wash his shoe debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, y the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar.

according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of house of joran. the is relata one storia of his friend

that's what i read too.
i didn't know there was that requirement.
especially because the dutch government encourages the public to work longer.

Steenhuis becomes 65 on december 12th.

so then Rudy Croes has to come up with another PG.
but i remind that Steenhuis first has to be confirmed by the kingdom cabinet.
they convene every 3 weeks. Nico Jörg leaves July 1st, so Rudy Croes is quite late with nominating Steenhuis.
23rd of May and 13rd op June there are kingdom cabinet meetings.
but i don't think the confirmation will be problem.
Hirsch Ballin won't have objections and he is of the same party as PM Balkenende.
only if the media would cover this extensively it might be different.

Thanks Caesu!  ::MonkeyCool::

Hiya Monkeys

Destiny, how's this????  ::MonkeyLaugh::
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/yapperz1/sloottrio.jpg)

Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

::MonkeyHaHa::

roflmfao, *******, i can tell you're all broken up over being evicted from the big "D"'s msn. 
dennisintn

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

He writes pretty good english.

I guess that just leaves his inflatable doll on his "list".  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had no idea that hell was blue. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Lala's where is your avatar.

::MonkeyLaugh::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

O/T Hope everyone is paying attention to the weather in their areas, this is horrible:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354900,00.html

Tornadoes Tear Across Southern Plains, Killing 10
Saturday , May 10, 2008




 PICHER, Okla. —

Authorities say at least 10 people are dead in Missouri and Oklahoma after severe weather that included tornadoes.

Oklahoma Emergency Management spokeswoman Michelann Ooten says six people died Saturday in Picher. She says the death toll could go higher.

She says the tornado caused major damage in a 20-block area.

The National Weather Service says three people died after a tornado near Seneca in southwestern Missouri. Meteorologist Bill Davis says a fourth person died near Carthage.

Storms also caused damage in parts of Arkansas

I am devastated  ::MonkeyWink:: I tried to be open and honest about who I was and not a total stranger hiding who they were to get information. Apparently he doesn't read here so I provided our link..So if you see a new Aruban on the site meter it may be him  ::MonkeyWink:: I didn't expect him to talk to me as he is a coward,nor did I expect him to know my blog name. I had no intentions of grilling him with questions..Just wanted him to have a chance to talk.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/deepickle.jpg)

Geesh....*******....sounds like the "D-ster" is a bit paranoid.....wonder why that is???   ::MonkeyCool::

OMG!!! My clothes are gone!!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Americans aren't the only ones begging the queen and the dutch governement to do something about the cover up's,human rights violations and the corruption within the Aruban Govt.

From:  tromp13carlos
Age: 55
Country: Netherlands

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 1)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAp1QA3ylw

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 2)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QJ_iNMM2c

Aruba ( open letter to Queen Beatrix part 3)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-OsnGThuo

KLass....hope u are feeling much better!
 ::cartwheel::

We have all seen the website http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/ and this guy has done a ton of research on the corruption in Aruba.

My open letter to Beth Twitty (In Dutch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWo6YeytdNE

March 14, 2007 
This is a video of my daughter, Sarah, she is 11 years old.
Her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) left Aruba with her on feb. 12, 2007 (without my knowledge)and has not been allowed to contact me at all. It has been ONE YEAR without my daughter. They are somewhere in the U.S.

Sarah Ferro missing child from ARUBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTEEMg5JBrw&NR=1

 Added:  April 22, 2007  (Less info)
Video pictures of my daughter Sarah. It has been ONE YEAR now and I haven't got news from her of her father. Please if you have seen Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro the guitar player fom Venezuela. They are somewhere in the U.S.
Please e mail: busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
011 (297) 592.55.41

Sarah Ferro missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqII_YGtnPM&feature=related

===============================
Ernesto Ferro in T-on-T
February 23, 2008 
Special on Ernesto Ferro and his tribute to Queen, October 2005, as featured in T-on-T, presented by Tabitha Fecunda and produced by Henk van der Weide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_ueyB4n5A&NR=1

Blondes' was good...but this one has the perfect...eeeeewwwwwwwwww.....factor.......sweaty running man....see-thru-blouse-cow...and...drug riddeled spawn....great Family Photo!

Thank You!.....

Destiny ;-)

Oh...puleeeze...tell me how to get on his list......I can *play* real good...looking for young sexy photo on line to use as *my* photo.....ooooohhhhhhhhhh....baby...I want you......

I think....he's feeling some *heat*....from somewhere.....ain't it sweet....

Someone with beter eyes...please tell me...is sweaty running mans' fly open...again????

I'm on it...like white on rice.....

Strange video considering he is saying Sarah is safe,but he showing a boat, a cliff and the ocean but not the girl.  ::MonkeyConfused::

sarahissafe
Joined: May 01, 2008

Sarah Ferro IS NOT missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkyYzSUnjs

 This is incorrect and not fact. The videos are made to create scandal and defamation of character. The videos are concocted and produced to portray this person in the wrong light. Mr. Ferro has been divorced from this woman for 6 years and also has court granted custody of his daughter from the Arubian courts.
Age: 44
Country: Venezuela

TY Klass....it's gonna hit me in the early AM Sunday....just filled generators with gas for both home and business......

Whaaaaaaaa?????? Tell Me more....don't want to start making calls on false info......TIA....Des

It sounds like the Dad ran off with her from Aruba.


missingsarah
Joined: March 04, 2007
Last Login: 1 week ago
Videos Watched: 85
Subscribers: 1
Channel Views: 1,056
Since February 12th 2007 my daughter Sarah vanished with her father, who took her out of Aruba without my knowledge. I pledge to anyone that know about their whereabouts to please contact me with any information. It has been 1 YEAR WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER, she has not been allowed to call me and no information about her whereabouts or contact information have been provided by her father who is concealing my daughter. I went to pick my daughter up at school that tuesday as usual, and I found she was not there. The school did not have information about why she was absent. No one had a clue of their whereabouts. PLEASE if you have any information about my daughter Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) please e- mail:
busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
or call me:
(011)297-592-5541

Many Thanks,
A mother.

Here you can see the report in the local paper:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/20 07/2/17/
Country: Aruba

Naughty...naughty Lala's....almost slutty...*if* we didn't know you better.....Lala's YOU Rock!..... ::MonkeyDance::

Dads' MySpace...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=198675145

(http://ernestoferro.com/images/stories/4.jpg)
Ernesto and his daughter Sarah with Paul Rodgers of Queen

http://ernestoferro.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=2

this person is really mad at Aruba and the Dutch not helping.
but i think by playing the anthem and stepping on the flag people might turn away from him.
i would support him though.
if i am treated like how he and Beth are treated i might have done much worse things whom i have to regret.

i wonder how many more people are victims from this corrupt justice system and haven't or cannot speak out.

Thanks *******
I am so confused about the prosecutors on aruba.We have OM's,PM's,AG's and PR's. ::MonkeyConfused::
So Mos is being replaced because his time is up or because he didn't go over too well as the PR spokesperson for aruba lol
When is Dop's time up?
I would like to know who in the prosecutors office will be going to court with this case IF it ever goes to court.I would also like to know how long the terms are for all within the prosecutors office.Maybe our Dutch Monkeys know this and will post it.

Thank you Caesu.

Exactly! ::MonkeyNoNo::

::MonkeyLaugh::
I'll bet deepak's hell is not blue,I'll bet his hell is firey red and hot!

That is very interesting.Isn't Tromp the name of the guy missing on aruba?

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 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh, I thought some of our posters sometimes posted there, on Nat's side, of course. 

And I only said tried, not that I was good at it.

 ::MonkeyCool::

To All the Mother's of SM and Guest's reading here:

Awwww,thank you Pita and Rob.
Happy Mama's Day.

Thanks Rob and Pita!

Thanks Rob and Pita!

HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY TO ALL!

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Yes, his name is Tromp, but there are a LOT of Tromp's so I'm not sure if he is related to him or not.

Casa, sorry to hear about your daughter!! Hope she is doing much better!!

Klaas, so glad you are doing better too!!

Had no idea you smoked!! Glad you are quitting...keep it up!! I have to quit too one of these days!!!

Klaas, am I rubbing off on you??!! lol Usually me ranting and raving about the RU azzes!! Glad to see I am not the only one they get to!!! lol

Chuckie rat had to put in his 2 cents worth I see...what a loser!!! Glad to see you got under his skin though!!! Always a plus!!!  ::cartwheel::

I vote sick AND stupid.
What always amazes me though is the level of jealousy the women there feel about Beth!!!
How in the hey do you feel jealous of a woman who lost her only daughter?
Sick AND stupid!!!

lol AZ!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

GET BACK TO BED!!!!
You are supposed to be resting, not cleaning!!! :gaah:

Klaas still has her spunk!!! Give 'em hell klaas!!!
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Booshi Wever wants to see his name cleared

ORANJESTAD -- Minister Candelario (Booshi) Wever claimed damages in a lawsuit yesterday.  He did this because he says that his reputation is tarnished with the statements in an article in Diario.  He was called a desgraciado in that article that was published on April 15.   

The minister says that ‘desgraciado’ is one of the worst insults in Papiamento.  That word is translated as ‘unhappy’ in the Diccionario Avanza of Jossy M. Mansur (also director of Diario), but in the normal linguistic usage, the meaning is much stronger and very offensive.  The article also insinuates that the minister is the owner of a brothel in Venezuela and that Wever’s days are numbered and that he will feel the Colombian Community breathing down his neck.  That is actually the reason why the minister instituted the lawsuit to demand a rectification from Diario.   

Apart from a rectification, Wever’s lawyer Anthony Ruiz of lawyers’ firm Croes, Tschong, and Wever demanded a penalty of 100.000 florins imposed on a daily basis in case of non-compliance, and 50.000 florins in damages.

Reason for the article is a nasty incident around the performance of the famous Colombian singer Alci Acosta in Aruba, which didn’t take place due to a provisional work permit that was denied.  Lawyer Milko Baiz of lawyers’ firm Gomez and Bikker told the judge that an Aruban radio station organized a spontaneous action afterwards to honour Acosta with a plaquette to express the Aruban Community’s appreciation for Acosta as artist.

Acosta did come to Aruba on the days of the concert, but not as an artist, but a tourist.  After he was presented with the plaquette in the presence of the public, he thanked the people by singing a few songs.  When he wanted to leave the next day, immigration refused to give him permission to leave Aruba.  He was forced to stay two more days in Aruba.  Baiz says the article must be considered as the anger expressed by the public.  “The Immigration Service confirmed to Diario on the phone that the order to keep Acosta longer in Aruba came from Minister Wever, which caused the sharp words in the article, but according to my client, whatever the paper said is part of the freedom of press.”

Wever denied in court yesterday that he had anything to do with the forced extended stay of Acosta.  He explained that the Immigration Service can take such measures in case of irregularities during a stay.  The performance of Acosta without a permit was investigated during the two days that the artist was forced to stay on the island.  The judge gives verdict on May 28.

Amigoe.com

To all Mommy Monkeys

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!

Janet
12:45 PM

Thank you Janet!  And Happy Mother's Day to you too!  :flower:

Ms Marples Thank you for posting this.
Caesu thank you for this and the info on DVLeeuwen, and all the info you post. Very interesting stuff.

Why/How can you hire someone just for 6mo.? What is the point! Who does this stuff! 6 months!

Klaas love you, glad you're back!  Also, as always thanks for letting us know when you are out,

FU to heli



Happy Mothers Day!

If anyone can please say some prayers and/or positive thoughts to a very young puppy who is sick and needs to recover.  He's only about 4 months old.

Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

I just want to bump this forward.
******* you've got some great knowledge, thanks for this post!

Isn't this great so many of us would never have known any of this if aurab would have just solved this easy case of Natalee Holloway in the first 48 hours.
None of us would be reading there news papers and posting about gov't officials busted in S.A. with large amounts of drugs, brothels, rapes, money laundering, etc. Mob connections in Canada, etc.
Heck, I didn't even know there were Italians north of NY  ::MonkeyWink::

this is important stuff.
i still have more to read about this.
some members of the Mansur family were extradited to the US in the 90s.
this was after the IRT-affair and around the time of the Cargo-affair / De Ruiter commission.
but before the Steenhuis-troubles which led to the firing of Super-PG Docters van Leeuwen.
Rolph Gonzalves (http://www.inghist.nl/Onderzoek/Projecten/Nederlands-indonesischeBetrekkingen1950-1963/documenten?clear=1&trefwoord_id=1777) was vice-Super-PG at the time. he killed or ordered killings of Dani tribes in the Baliem Valley on New Guinea - Papua - Indonesia.

the following article has been mentioned before:
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

 Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 03:01 PM

My open letter to mrs Beth Twitty, duped because of Aruba

The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of April 2008

Dear mrs Elizabeth (Beth) Twitty,

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website
www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter via the website YOU TUBE for the injustice the ministry of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is injustice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war! There is, alas, no justice in my country of birth Aruba, because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber Prime Minister is corrupt, the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption. The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political Organisation and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.

Also the very corrupt crown civil servants, the violators of human rights: the Public Prosecutors General, Mr. Drs. Teresa Diana Croes Fernandez Pedra and the monster Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo who on a daily basis violates justice and human rights,

(it is namely not for nothing that the now former commissary of police and inspector,
Gerold Dompig, has thoroughly beaten her up. What is piquaint, however, is that he
was not prosecuted for this severe maltreatment and even this incident was covered up
by the local authorities of Aruba and that the motherland the Netherlands has, as usual,
again closed her eyes to this serious fact) mrs Teresa Diana Croes and Elivia Lugo
together with her colleagues; whom have perfected and legalised corruption there with
the blessing of the corrupt Hyancintho Rudolfo Croes (Rudygate), minister of justice,
for whom the motherland the Netherlands takes a bow!
They are not to be trusted, falsify documents, commit forgery, manipulate the law, commit great injustice, so that justice there in fact has degenerated into justice metered out by tyrants and a lot more devious things against humanity and human rights, with the cooperation of many corrupt Dutch and Aruba lawyers, whom have all done such under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands, which has therefore degenerated into a
lowlife banana republic.
KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS (Do no wrong in your judging: give thought to the position of the poor, do not only honor the position of the great; but be a judge to your neighbor in righteousness. Leviticus 19:15)

This is the reason that Nathalee Holloway has become missing and Joran van der Sloot is untouchable within that banana republic, the kingdom of the netherlands.

Joran van der Sloot would now have become a persona non grata. I have to laugh at this, because that is only a sly joke and a smoke curtain coming from the henchman of Satan with the nickname “Rudygate” sitting on the post of the secretary of justice of the very corrupt STATUS APARTE of Aruba, entitled as a den of thieves: the insular territory Aruba, being a part of the dutch banana republic. It is further totally irrelevant whether there is or is not a governor of Aruba, because this current governor is blind, deaf and mute concerning the crimes of his former political party MEP that is in power.

A part of the populace is tainted with corruption. Just ask the former E.U. member of Parliament mr. Frits Bolkestein and the dutch Second Chamber member mr. Hero Brinkman; they are witnesses, because they have called Aruba a litter of robbers and a den of thieves.

But do not think that I am surprised, because of the fact that the International Transparency rapports of Berlin have also entitled the motherland the Netherlands as being number seven on the list of all the corrupt countries in the world! Bad trees do not give good fruits!!

The dutch government closes its eyes to the crimes taking place on Aruba against humanity and human rights in name of the head of state, the Queen, Mrs Beatrix. And the dutch Prime Minister Mr Drs Jan Peter Balkenende believes in his half truths and is helping the corrupt government of Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber to fool the people and the world with a crooked rapport of the IMF into believing that the economy of Aruba is sound. Jan Peter Balkenende appears not to have feelings or be ashamed of his lies, or else he must be totally incompetent! Because how is it then possible that Aruba has only 120.000 inhabitants but a national debt of more than one billion guilders, while 80% of the populace has fallen into poverty? This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.
But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and IF Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom; thus states the Holy Bible!

I advise you to start a legal procedure against the insular territory of Aruba, the Dutch state or the Kingdom of the Netherlands, because the government of Aruba is lying to the world under the auspices of the kingdom of the netherlands, that lowlife banana republic, that Aruba is a safe and secure island for tourism; even for the people there is no justice, while there exists no security of law, no justice on that little island, neither that so called democracy!
Because corruption is in power on Aruba and the government under the Cabinet of Nelson Orlando Oduber has changed the insular territory of Aruba into a den of thieves!
I cordially welcome you to the website written in the Dutch and in English languages www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com & www.dutchkingdomclassjustice.info ,
so that you can get an impression of the total injustice that has manifested itself on Aruba.
Probably on the 25th of April 2008 or in the near future a new website will appear in the English language called www.arubainjustice.info You are of course welcome to check it out.

“DAME CLASS JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS” Do not Err; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, he will get back as grain. Galatians 6-7


DAME ? JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS; JUSTICE NOW OR NEVER !!”

You are absolutely invited to pass on this letter to the press, television any media.

Yours Sincerely,

C.S. Tromp

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Alleged crimes against Mr.Tromp in Aruba (SNip)
• Violating the European Treaty of the Rights of man, in which is included the Universal Declaration of the Rights of man
• Violating the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union
• Violating the Treaty of New York (the U.N. treaty) and all further relevant treaties relevant to the rights of man
• Taking revenge by abuse of power and supporting the very corrupt government of Aruba, the public prosecuting agency and the communal court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
• Hostaging me four times with a total of 257 days in solitary confinement and 20 hours of imprisonment without me having committed a prior crime, together with conspiring, plotting against me, discriminating me, telling lies to me, hostaging me, torturing me, stealing my property and subjugating me while being bound on hands and feet
• Threatening to murder me with a black pistol aimed at me in the police station of San Nicolas on Aruba
• Manipulating the law, lawyers, and the criminal sentence of 26th of March 2002, case number h.16/02, so that I am without a legal chance in the procedure in cassation
• Abusing my under aged children by making them make damaging statements against me without them knowing what they were doing
• Committing forgery and falsifying official documents
• Covering up the dossier of the sentence of the 26th of March 2002, case number H.16/02, by the abovementioned court, so that I remain ignorant of the reason why I remained captive for 257 days in solitary confinement
• Letting the public prosecuting agency of Aruba make dossiers disappear and covering that up.
• Covering up crimes against humanity by civil servants of the public prosecuting agency of Aruba
• Writing two false rehabilitation reports (H. Hoevertz) and two false psychiatrist reports (H.A.E van Gaalen), addressed to me with the aim to ruin my mental health on the island of Aruba, so that the truth would not surface
• Placing me in a cell without a mattress, light, fresh air and a toilet
• Allowing the sale of drugs
• Corruption and a lot more devious things addressed against me that have taken place on the insular territory of Aruba, where you too are queen and head of state, in your name in a government building with closed doors where I was bound at hands and feet on the order of your crown civil servants, with on the wall your portrait at a desk apparently with your instructions, where you are also the head of state and queen with the last constitutional responsibility

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Maybe it's just me...he kinda look's like a younger relative of Patrick's.  Everyone is related to someone...imho

I think he looks like this guy,who the Diario reporters and others say is his real Father..Every picture I see of him he looks different  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoPaulCompare2.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

Could be all three are related.  Never know.  mo

caseu

i agree.  silence there is perhaps the golden rule???
it is a small island.


hope that your daughter is feeling much better now. ::cartwheel::

*******...i really appreciate your commitment here to getting to and thru the truth.

You are great.  Thanks so much for being such an influence ::MonkeyCool:: here

TY FOB :)

(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4548/jconfessim6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Can't help but wonder if this Carlos Severino Tromp, who is so vocal about the corrupt goverment of Aruba, is related to the missing guy Tromp.

Was Paul vd Sloot in McDonald"s ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/aruba3.jpg?t=1210595531)

Here are the "family member's" posts from Riehl:
23 juni 2005 23:05:07

Quote:
I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day.

Ahhhh  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I LOVE the alien theory ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Well, the artist certainly got the EYES just right! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Helen

O/T re:  aruba information being erased from internet...anyone can just go in and erase someone elses entire post from the internet? 

Do you think this is ligit *******....TIA....Des...

KLAAS....AND *******.....YOU GOT MAIL!!!

KLASS....HOTMAIL...

Destiny

Hi Always....what happened?

Destiny

Destiny, I left some information for Richard on the front page last nite and today, the  sites are missing....how do you erase someone elses site?  I know nothing about software.

No..I dont think that is the real LVR but that might be the real Patrick..

Thanks!...did you get my mail?

Did you leave the information in a comment under one of the articles on the front page?   The articles, I'm sure, are still there.  What was the topic, if I may ask?...

What sites are missing?

I did get it..Thanks and very interesting!

Always 1 - these are your front page posts referencing websites.  I don't see any actual links in your posts just references to a couple of sites.  Did you bookmark the websites?  I seriously doubt they are "missing".

Karen E. Booth photography:

http://www.keboothphoto.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=11

https://www.keboothphoto.com/store/index.html

always 1,  found the Karen E Booth site and the photos you referred to on the FP.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just trying to be helpful, but always a step behind Klaas...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not having much luck with Arubacrawler.com but to be honest, I doubt it was much of anything anyways. 

always 1,

Arubacrawler.com does exist:

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=arubacrawler&tld=com

It just seems to be down, right now.  Coincidence?

Why am I not surprised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

re: missing post, I dont know, but this has happened so many times lately, and forgive me for saying this, but what is it is one of our own that is so competitive, they dont want to share....is that even possible?

Hey Janet.....do you have my email addy?...if not see if you can get it from Klaas or ******* ...TIA....Destiny ;-)

Always 1 - this is not a competition