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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 - 5/15/08
Post by: klaasend on May 08, 2008, 06:37:40 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Please take a moment to watch and listen to the video above and remember why we are all here after almost 3 years. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 08, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
Notice the Sunday Freeroll at the Excelsior. It says for players who have played cash games or tournaments. To all others $25. It doesnt matter if it was totally free in 2005 because they still handed out real money and it's against the law for anyone under 18 to gamble. I guess it doesn't matter anyways because they have Joran on video playing Black Jack in the Excelsior and it's part of this case ::MonkeyConfused:: The Excelsior Mob Casino most likely even had a credit line for Joran so he could gamble illegally. It's amazing how no one is held accountable for any crimes of any kind involving this case.

It appears Hero Brinkman wants to put into place a anti corruption policy in the antilles. He says 90% of the Antillen politicians are corrupt and will have to go. He called them a bunch of whining children that the Dutch Govt should not give in to.   :thumleft:
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very good that there is a english article about this now.

Hero Brinkman is stirring up the corruption and bad government issues nicely.  ::MonkeyDance::
and the islands are taking the bait, protesting about his statements about corruption - they want to silence him!
no wonder why they don't want him to speak.
during the previous kingdom meetings Jan van der Straten wanted to arrest him on Bonaire!
(http://www.refdag.nl/media/foto/2008/48760-a.jpg)

i know first hand that he is not forgetting Aruba.
Aruba is also part of the restructering especially on rule of law / justice issues.
also he has concerns about PvdS involvement during the first days.

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tons of Dutch articles about this:
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/politiek/artikel/asp/artnr/204865/rss/true/index.html
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3932086/_Brinkman_wil_geen_overleg_Antillen__.html
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article1078059.ece/Brinkman_weigert_afspraak_overleg_Antillen
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article533550.ece/Antillen_gedragsregels_voor_Hero_Brinkman
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1038&Itemid=1
http://www.nieuws.nl/509501
http://www.bndestem.nl/algemeen/binnenland/3085133/Parlementair-overleg-Antillen-onzeker.ece
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/91867
http://www.nu.nl/news/1557412/10/rss/Antillen_willen_regels_voor_overleg.html
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article1076527.ece/PVV_wil_doorgaan_met_strijd_corruptie_Antillen
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080508_pok
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080506_gedragscode
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080503_Atacho.html
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080502_vanbeek-gedrag-pok

earlier englisch articles about this:
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/01/dutch_mp_banned_from_antilles.php
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/tension_is_rising_again_warns.php
http://www.dutchnews.nl/columns/2008/02/justice_2.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 08, 2008, 10:32:44 PM
i wrote about this a few days ago.
why the new procureur general to replace Nico Jörg was't presented.
i suspected Rudy Croes was having a hard time to get a crony approved.
the Dutch would have objections because of the way Rudy runs his justice department.

especially after the news about the budget overspending of the Aruban OM.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_41973.php
and that damning article from Alex de Cuba about the OM and Hans Mos.
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1594/mos7bq1.jpg

well here he his...
another temporal PG.


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Omstreden PG op Aruba

ORANJESTAD — Om het vertrek van advocaat-generaal en waarnemende procureur-generaal (PG) Nico Jörg op te vangen, wordt Dato Willem Steenhuis tijdelijk aangesteld als PG van Aruba. Dat heeft minister Rudy Croes van Justitie gisteren bekendgemaakt.

Steenhuis is was van 1992 tot 2006 lid van het College van procureurs-generaal van Nederland. In juni 2006 ging hij met pensioen. Tijdens zijn carrière is Steenhuis meerdere malen in opspraak geraakt. Zo werd hij in 1998 beschuldigd van belangenverstrengeling. Als PG was hij verantwoordelijk voor het rechtsgebied Leeuwarden waaronder ook Groningen valt. Tijdens de bestuurscrisis in deze stad na de rellen in het Oosterpark, kreeg het adviesbureau Bakkenist de opdracht om onderzoek te doen naar de verstoorde verhoudingen tussen gemeente, politie en het OM. Na het uitkomen van dit onderzoeksrapport bleek dat Steenhuis op de loonlijst van Bakkenist voorkwam als adviseur. Hij kreeg hiervoor een berisping en werd overgeplaatst naar het rechtsgebied Arnhem.

In 2006, vlak voor zijn pensioen, kwam Steenhuis opnieuw in opspraak toen zijn chauffeur verklaarde dat de PG hem wekelijks de opdracht gaf om – met 140 kilometer per uur en met zwaailichten aan over de vluchtstrook – van zijn woonplaats naar het werk te rijden. De zaak kwam aan het licht nadat justitie een flink aantal meldingen had gekregen van gevaarlijk rijgedrag door een geblindeerde Mercedes met chauffeur.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42066.php

O. M. G.

Dato Willem Steenhuis is very controversial for several reasons.
some of them mentioned in the Amigoe article.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dato_Steenhuis

1. conflicts of interest
in 1998 there were major riots in the city of Groningen.
before that there were allegation that a policeman in a Dutch island sexually abused his daughter.
this led to an inquiry into relations in the OM of that district.
Steenhuis was PG of that district.
afterwards in was revealed that Steenhuis had a job as advisor to the inquiry.
so he was advising the inquiry who inquired himself! conflicts of interest.

this led to a huge scandal in the justice department. (sorgdrager affair).
the head of the college of PG (highest position in the OM) had to resign.
there were rumours that the PG's were planning to stage a coup in the justice department!!!
this situation is called: "the revolt of the PG's".
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_van_Sorgdrager_en_de_procureurs-generaal

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As a member of this board, Docters van Leeuwen came in a conflict in 1998 with justice minister Winnie Sorgdrager (D66). The question was about a conflict of interest of another member of the board, Dato Steenhuis, who was on the pay-roll of the company that looked into the workings of the public prosecution in the region of which Date Steenhuis, as board member, was responsible for. Doctors van Leeuwen supported Steenhuis against Sorgdrager; the ensuing breach of confidence between the two resulted in Doctors van Leeuwen being fired from the Board. Shortly thereafter, in 1999, Doctors van Leeuwen became chairman of the Netherlands Authority for the Financial Markets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Docters_van_Leeuwen

2. in Steenhuis caused trouble again due the numerous speeding and dangerous driving offences.
all charges were dropped.

so a very nice choice for a new PG.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

there is a lot the read about the "revolt of the PG's".
this was quite a crisis in the justice department.
it has links to earlier a later scandal in the justice departement (like IRT-affair - Hirsch Ballin / Rudy/Hendrik Croes!!)

here is a Dutch dossier about it with the titel: "crisis in the OM"
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/nieuws.html

there is even made a movie about that:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397502/
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This tv-movie is about a political drama in the Netherlands between procureur general Arthur Docters van Leeuwen en minister Winnie Sorgdrager. They stride between power and trust.

now i hope the chioce of Steenhuis for PG in Aruba will get reported in the news.
how on earth can the put such a controversial man in such a position.
and then for Aruba with an OM which is known to be controversial already.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2008, 10:43:15 PM
Caesu..He sounds like the perfect fit for that Govt  ::MonkeyWink:: It's hard to say who really wanted to speak there mind and tell us some truth in that Govt..But Mr.Jorg,Red,Theresa Croes and Amile(sp) Fleming have shown us glimpses.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 08, 2008, 11:25:06 PM
Caps

Can you tell us more about the restricted area pond and the 53 Dutch investigators brought in on a "secret mission"? I haven't been able to find any mention of this anywhere else. Is it possible you didnt have it right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 08, 2008, 11:26:59 PM
this is also related to the "revolt of the PG's".
Dato Steenhuis was of course one of them and the cause of the revolt. or not the main cause??

http://www.blythe.org/Intelligence/readme/79sum

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SURINAM

ARMS FOR DRUGS & TROUBLE IN THE HAGUE


On 26 March, in Brasilia, Brazil, an unidentified man, who
claimed to have worked for a Surinamese cocaine cartel
allegedly headed by Advisor of State and former dictator, Desi
Bouterse
, turned himself in to the Dutch drug liaison officer
in Brazil, Mr. A. Modderkolk.  Before submitting to questioning
by the Dutch police, the man gave an extensive interview to the
"De Telegraaf" newspaper, explaining that he felt the public
prosecutor's office would be more careful if journalists had
taken note of his case.  In the past, confidential information
from informants concerning the Surinamese cartel had repeatedly
been leaked to the press, and many believe Mr. Bouterse has a
network of agents who give him access to Dutch law enforcement
intelligence.


The turncoat claims he became police witness because his former
masters owe him a large sum of money.  He says he has worked
with members of the "Suri-cartel", including Mr. Bouterse's
son, Dino, for about four years in an extensive operation to
exchange stolen military weapons for cocaine with the Colombian
FARC guerrilla movement.  Over this period, hundreds of rifles
and automatic weapons stolen from Suriname army barracks were
flown to Colombia, and thousands of kilos of cocaine (at $2,700
per kilo) were delivered to air strips in the Surinamese jungle
in return.
  The weapons were allegedly obtained from the army
with the assistance of Melvin Linscheer, a former military
commander who presently owns Mozart Security Services (MSS), a
shady local security company.  Insiders consider Mr. Linscheer
to be the main security advisor of Surinamese President, Jules
Wijdenbosch
, and also the intelligence specialist behind the
Suri-cartel.

The informant claims a Brazilian, identified only as
"Leonardo", approached him in 1994 to "do some jobs".  Leonardo
turned out to be a weapons procurer for the FARC.  Dino
Bouterse, who is stationed as a diplomat at the Surinamese
embassy in Brasilia, is said to have been present In Surinam on
several occasions when cocaine was flown in from Colombia via
Brazil.  According to the informant, the operations ended only
a few months ago.

COMMENT  --  The information provided by the unknown informant
is hard to verify, but it does corroberate what is already
known about the Surinamese cocaine network and the role of Mr.
Linscheer and the Bouterse family.  A decision concerning
progress in the case against Mr. Bouterse, and several other
Surinamese citizens indicted by the Dutch public prosecutor, is
expected soon.

Two months ago, the leading figure in the public prosecutor's
office, Attorney General and former head of BVD internal
security, Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, was unexpectedly fired by
Justice minister, Winnie Sorgdrager, over the handling of a
disciplinary case against his colleague, Attorney General
Steenhuis.  Rumors are now circulating in The Hague that Mr.
Docters, who had virtually turned the case against Mr. Bouterse
into a personal crusade, was derailed because prosecuting Mr.
Bouterse could bring shady dealings into the open which
involve, among others, the present Foreign Affairs Minister,
Hans van Mierlo.  Mr. van Mierlo, a respected senior political
figure, like Ms. Sorgdrager and Mr. Docters, is a member of the
D66 Progressive Liberal Party.  In the early 1980s, he was
involved in "handling" the Surinamese problem, when dictator
Bouterse killed over a dozen journalists, union officials and
political opponents.  Some insiders have always maintained that
the Dutch government's handling of the embarrassing Surinamese
problem has been either very naive or very cynical ... or both.

---------------------------------------------

http://www.blythe.org/Intelligence/readme/79sum

now we are getting in real dark territory.
goes right to the heart of all kinds of drugs and criminal related cover ups.
reminder: IRT and Cargo-affairs were about the Dutch and Arubans law enforcement letting drugs throug in botched under cover sting operations. Ballin and Rudy Croes justice minister at the time. Ballin had to resign. Rudy Croes was NOT questioned 'because he might become justice minister again in the future'.

and now Dato Steenhuis is Rudy Croes' choice for PG?  ::MonkeyEek::

very strong smell of al kinds of cover ups and corruption.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 08, 2008, 11:40:04 PM
Caesu,
Very informative!  Thank you!  It doesn't look like things will get any better for the "good people" of Aruba.....just more corruption! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 08, 2008, 11:41:45 PM
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The US is concerned about credible reports that some members of the Aruban government met regularly with individuals associated with drug trafficking and money laundering syndicates. In spite of, or perhaps because of, the denials by Aruba officials, the US remains convinced that entrenched money laundering organizations direct large cash deposits into land development and other construction projects on the island. (3) The Netherlands is equally worried. "I think we are going to loose it on Aruba," Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, the Dutch Attorney General, said about the counter-narcotics efforts on the island. Aruba is in the hands of some powerful families and Holland can't do anything about it, due to constitutional restraints. (4)

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba

Arthur Doctors van Leeuwen > fired
Dato Steenhuis > not fired and soon to be PG of Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 08, 2008, 11:56:26 PM
Caesu,
Very informative!  Thank you!  It doesn't look like things will get any better for the "good people" of Aruba.....just more corruption! ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

it is just too obvious.
i am here connecting dots and the corruption smells like hell.
if only one newspaper or current affairs show with much more resources would do the same thing.
just expose a few things without accusing, just alleging. just show a few connections between the dutch justice department and the aruba government.

the Bouterse connection is also interesting.
i am sure here the trial is followed? not much happening with the trial at the moment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9si_Bouterse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_murders
Docters van Leewen was tough on Bouterse AND the drugs trade around Aruba, i bet Aruba and parts of the dutch justice dep. didn't like that.
could be reason to fire Docter van Leeuwen as mentioned above in that intelligence piece.

Steenhuis was NOT fired - but he was 'supposedly' the cause of all the trouble.
i bet Bouterse and Rudy Croes are thankfull towards Steenhuis for causing that revolt so Docters van Leeuwen could be fired.


could be that's why Dato Steenhuis is awarded now this PG job!!

i hope i explain myself enough. else feel free and i go into greater length.

noteworthy: Bram Mosko is attorney also for Bouterse!! also for Beth.
i really hope this doesn't complicate things!!
i am little worried that Mosko is just a big derailer... this civil case isn't go anywhere it seems.
but i hope i am wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: LilPuma on May 09, 2008, 12:20:25 AM
Caesu, I don't jump into the monkey pond here often, but I do read.  This is interesting stuff since we've known there were "higher powers" covering Joran's lilly white lying @#$ all along.  People are afraid to speak up in Aruba.  So many changed their stories.  Thank you for all you're contributions. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 09, 2008, 01:56:50 AM
caesu

Very interesting.  Thanks for keeping us informed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 09, 2008, 02:07:23 AM
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Piar, De Vrieze, Sprok
to testify in Merx case


PHILIPSBURG--Attorney General Dick Piar, Prosecutor Johan de Vrieze and Acting Prosecutor Ludwina Sprok are to be heard as witnesses in the court case against former chief prosecutor of the Windward Islands Cor Merx.

The Judge ordered that these three witnesses be heard prior to the next court hearing in this case on June 13. He further decided to lift restrictions that had been placed on Merx.

Merx is standing trial on charges of having committed forgery and of having used falsified documents. These criminal acts are punishable with a maximum sentence of 10 years imprisonment, but Merx said during the first court hearing in his case two weeks ago that he had made a deal with the Prosecutor’s Office that he would not be prosecuted if he resigned and left St. Maarten, which he did in April 2005.

The Prosecutor’s Office alleges that Merx made use of his position as a prosecutor to obtain data concerning telephone contact between his ex-girlfriend and her alleged lover. Merx did not deny these allegations, but stated that the final report of the investigation into his case was not correctly made up.

Merx and his lawyer Jairo Bloem filed a request two weeks ago to hear 11 witnesses, including Merx’s ex-girlfriend and Attorney General in The Hague Dato Steenhuis.

Judge Rick Smid ruled Tuesday that it would be unnecessary to call to the witness stand all persons mentioned by the lawyer. He made an exception in the case of Attorney General Dick Piar.

Piar was involved in talks about Merx’s departure and is expected to have knowledge about what transpired before Merx left St. Maarten.

According to Merx’s lawyer, the authorities already knew of Merx’s alleged criminal behaviour prior to his departure for the Netherlands and remarks made by his superiors led Merx to believe he would not be prosecuted.

Piar provided the Court with a fax message in which he stated that no promises had been made to drop charges, but the Judge deemed further explanation necessary, the reason Piar has to be questioned by a Judge of Instruction.

The name of Prosecutor Johan de Vrieze is mentioned in a document that, according to the indictment, should be considered false. Therefore, it is reasonable to also hear De Vrieze as a witness concerning the facts and circumstances under which this document was made, the Judge indicated.

The third witness who will be heard by the Judge of Instruction is Ludwina Sprok. She was Head of the Administration and Secretary at the Prosecutor’s Office at the time, and may also have been involved in the forging of documents, Bloem contended.

Bloem said Tuesday that a civil procedure would be launched against the Judge’s decision not to hear the other eight witnesses.

http://www.thedailyherald.com/news/daily/i273/merx273.html
june 2006

judge Rick Smid, friend of Paul van der Sloot doesn't want a hearing for PG Dato Steenhuis.
and now Date Steenhuis nominated for PG of Aruba.

and the following connects a couple of thinks. might be interesting later on.
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
a former PG of Aruba who had to replace another PG who couldn't work with the Aruban justice department right after the Cargo-affair (de Ruiter commission). this was around the same time as the PG-revolt.
he happended to work with Steenhuis in 2000 in a post-IRT-enquiry.

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U was ook procureur-generaal van Aruba.

'Om die post heb ik zelf nooit gevraagd. Korte tijd voor mijn vertrek, las ik in de krant dat ik ook procureur-generaal in Aruba zou worden. Daar was ik niet zo blij mee. Mijn voorganger had een fiks probleem met de Arubaanse regering. Dat was tot een lichte crisis in de koninkrijksverhoudingen opgelopen. Toen is er een commissie onder leiding van De Ruiter (de voormalige minister van Justitie, red.) op gericht, die adviseerde dat de Nederlandse procureur-generaal van Aruba zich zou terugtrekken. En dat de Arubaanse regering de politietop zou ontslaan. Al met al was het daar heel hoog opgelopen. In die situatie landde ik daar dus op 1 maart 1997.
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Toen kwam er een telefoontje met het verzoek of u procureur-generaal van het OM in Nederland wilde worden. Een definitief afscheid van de ZM.

'Ja, dat telefoontje was een schok. Ik weet de datum toevallig nog heel goed. Het was woensdag, gehaktdag, zei ik altijd; de dag dat ik op Aruba werkte. Het was 10 maart 1998. Een kwartier ervoor had mijn vrouw gebeld om te vertellen dat ik grootvader geworden was. Ik zat nog wat na te sudderen van dat nieuws en vroeg me af hoe het met mijn dochter zou zijn. Een kwartier later belde secretaris-generaal Borghouts.

Ik moest wel even nadenken over dit verzoek. Het waren roerige tijden bij het OM. Arthur Doctors van Leeuwen was net ontslagen.
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Zelf was ik erg geschokt over het volgende. We hebben het onderzoek van de commissie Kalsbeek gehad. Die had kritiek op het post-IRT onderzoek. De commissie is toen onder de directe supervisie van het College gekomen. In de praktijk hielden collega Dato Steenhuis en ik ons daar mee bezig. In januari 2000 heb ik in een vertrouwelijk overleg met de Kamercommissie verteld dat er in een van die zaken beweging zou komen omdat we wat mensen zouden aanhouden. Dan vraagt een Kamerlid: 'mag ik weten wie dat zijn!' Dan vraag ik me af waar we mee bezig zijn. Wat kan het mij nu schelen of die mensen Jansen of Pietersen heten. Ik heb geantwoord dat ik het niet wist, het ook niet functioneel is om te weten en dat het alleen maar een extra afbreukrisico met zich mee zou brengen. Ik vond het een onbegrijpelijke vraag.'

years before that Hendrik Croes as justice minister also send a PG back to The Netherlands.
Aruba is very picky with their PG.
surprises me even less that Dato Steenhuis now is nominated for PG.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 09, 2008, 02:38:29 AM
this Dato Steenhuis thing triggered me.
the nerve Rudy has to nominate him.

if the newsmedia doesn't pick this up he gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet quietly.
it is a temporal job, maybe for year just like Nico Jörg.
Rudy probably had even more ridiculous first choices for PG.
so now he tries Steenhuis for temporal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: mojo on May 09, 2008, 07:18:06 AM
good sleuthing, caesu.  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 08:23:05 AM
wow caesu, great job. keep connecting those dots.

You said you were worried about the civil suit and Mosko... I've been wondering about that also. I thought the Sloots were to be called in a matter of days... what happened to that? Were they called and did they appear? I think I saw something that said they had not even been served and also something that said Joran was served in the looney bin, but he doesn't seem to have been in the nut house. So, how was he served the official papers to appear?

I guess I want to know what is truly happening here?

maybe someone knows...

++++++++++++++++++

Klaas or *******, I did it again..  ::MonkeyHaHa::
please delete this post in the Shango and Simian thread. TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 08:53:06 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 09:35:24 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 09:39:41 AM
this Dato Steenhuis thing triggered me.
the nerve Rudy has to nominate him.

if the newsmedia doesn't pick this up he gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet quietly.
it is a temporal job, maybe for year just like Nico Jörg.
Rudy probably had even more ridiculous first choices for PG.
so now he tries Steenhuis for temporal.

Our friend Dato...he's up to his eyeballs in chit....

vrijdag, 09 mei 2008  | antillen.nu


 Merx to know fate today       Print        E-mail
PHILIPSBURG (20-07-06) - Former Chief Prosecutor of the Windward Islands Cor Merx faces a possible jail sentence today, Wednesday. Judge Rick Smid will be handing down his ruling in the case against Merx, who stands accused of involvement in fraud and the misuse of his office, The Daily Herald reports.

Merx faces one year in jail and the judge has also been asked to impose, as a special condition, a five-year ban on his employment as a civil servant in the Netherlands Antilles or its legal successor.

The Merx case contains all the elements of a good Broadway show. It's the stuff that movies are made of.

The main character, a dapper and likeable senior public servant admired by many, makes a critical mistake driven by love, passion and jealousy, and has to contend with the judicial authorities who, in his and his lawyer's view, are the evil geniuses in the plot, filled with allegations about dubious activities and backroom deals.

Merx, who had become renowned for his trademark black or Panama hat (depending on the occasion) and who, in some people's view, had become a populist prosecutor, left office cloaked in controversy and allegations about administrative and other wrongdoings.

He was in charge of the Prosecutor's Office from February 2001 until February 18, 2005, and formally until April 1, 2005. No wrongdoing

When Merx's surprise departure was officially announced in early 2005, there were many rumours about the reason for his sudden departure. However, Attorney General of the Netherlands Antilles Dick Piar stated at the time that there had been no wrongdoing on Merx's part and that 'Merx himself' had opted to leave, ostensibly because of his poor health.

It became clear later that complaints about his functioning that had nothing to do with his health had already surfaced in December 2004 when, in a so-called 'bad weather conversation' he was informed of the fact that Willemstad no longer had confidence in him.

The complaints against him had to do with the illegal transport of 1,500 kilos of cocaine, allowing armed Dutch police officers to operate in St. Martin, the early release of prisoners from detention against payment to government, carrying out illegal telephone taps, and the unauthorised use of a government-owned car.

On his return to the Netherlands, Merx worked as a Solicitor General at the Court in The Hague, a position which Piar noted could not be considered 'a promotion,' but which, nevertheless, caused raised eyebrows in St. Maarten given the earlier pronouncements that he had left because of his poor health. His return

Equally surprising to many was the fact that the former Chief Prosecutor returned to St. Maarten in mid-September 2005 to work with Gibson and Associates, the law firm of then-minister of constitutional affairs Richard Gibson.

But more surprises were in store for the public. Merx was arrested on December 9, 2005, seven days before he was to be sworn in as an attorney, and was charged with forgery in connection with a request while he was Chief Prosecutor for the telephone records of his former girlfriend and her new friend.

He was also accused of having misused his power as Chief Prosecutor by coercing a colleague at the Prosecutor's Office to make the written petitions for the telephone records, and of having threatened his ex-girlfriend and her friend with his firearm.

It must have been particularly galling for the former Chief Prosecutor that he ended up spending several days behind bars at the start of his journey through the judicial process as an accused facing criminal charges.

While he was behind bars contemplating the predicament in which he found himself, Richard Gibson Jr. withdrew as his attorney and was replaced by high-profile criminal attorney Jairo Bloem of Bergman, Bloem and Bergman law firm.

A Judge of Instruction at the Court of First Instance in Curaçao rejected Bloem's first petition for Merx's release filed on December 13, 2005, stating there were 'indications of a reasonable suspicion that Merx could have committed forgery.'

Six days later (in time for Christmas) Merx was released from pre-trial detention, but the Judge of Instruction ordered that he deposit his passport at the Prosecutor's Office and that he stay clear of his former female partner.

Shortly after being released, Merx hosted a press conference and explained that he had been 'consumed by jealousy' when he made the requests for the telephone information of his former girlfriend and her friend.

'Insofar as these actions have tarnished or discredited the reputation of the Prosecutor's Office, I truly lament this very much. I have always been a God-fearing person who has done his utmost to keep this office in a state of good standing and reputation,' he told the press.

He did not respond to allegations swirling around that he had participated in the burning of the former Prosecutor's Office on Front Street. Trial

On the opening day of his trial on March 21, Merx said he had made a deal with the Prosecutor's Office that he would not be prosecuted if he resigned and left St. Maarten, which he did in April 2005. Bloem filed a request to hear 11 witnesses who he said would be able to confirm this deal and clarify other matters. Among these witnesses were Attorney General Dick Piar and members of the Prosecutor's Offices in Curaçao and St. Maarten, as well as Attorney General in The Hague Dato Steenhuis and Merx's former girlfriend.
[/b]
According to Prosecutor Gert Rip, no deals were ever made between Merx and the Prosecutor's Office. He confronted the Court with the contents of an e-mail sent by Steenhuis in which it was stated that Merx had never been promised he would not be prosecuted.

However, according to Bloem, it is obvious that deals like these are not closed on paper, 'because in cases like these, things are not dealt with in that way.'

Judge Rick Smid decided that only three witnesses needed to be heard: Piar, Prosecutor Johan de Vrieze and Acting Prosecutor Ludwina Sprok, who was Head of Administration and Secretary at the Prosecutor's Office at the time. Impeccable stature

In his closing speech, Rip said Merx had violated the trust put in him. 'A chief prosecutor needs to be of impeccable stature, as he is the man who is supposed to protect law and order. Based on personal motives he misused his power for his personal benefit, which has harmed the foundation of our legal system,' Rip said.

He held it against Merx that he was not showing remorse and was trying to play down the impact of his alleged crime. Merx said many requests had been filed by detectives and prosecutors to obtain telephone records without proper authorisation.

Bloem tried to convince the Judge that Merx had closed a deal with the leadership of the Prosecutor's Office prior to his departure for the Netherlands. He further stated that the Prosecutor had made a mistake in indicting Merx for fraud instead of the lesser charge of having abused his power as a civil servant. Based on these arguments, Bloem requested that the Prosecutor's case against Merx be declared inadmissible and that all charges be dropped.

Bloem has also requested that should the judge find his client guilty as charged, he should be spared a jail sentence.

Merx and all St. Maarten eagerly await the judge’s ruling today.(bron The Daily Herald)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: mrskub on May 09, 2008, 09:44:33 AM
Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 09:48:44 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 09:54:18 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 09:56:44 AM
Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…




Mrskub.....All I can say is....Beautiful....Thank You so very much for putting your heart to words.....Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:07:41 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   one ringy dingy....two ringy dingy.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 10:08:57 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   one ringy dingy....two ringy dingy.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

Save it to your PC - maybe you can use it for your answering message at home, LOLOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 09, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

Quitting is tough but you guys are tougher.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/bodybuilderpose.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/bodybuilderpose.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/bodybuilderpose.gif)


A cage full of monkeys quitting somking?   :shocked:  Take cover!
Fireworks, just in time for the holidays!

           (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/fireworks1.jpg)


We need a spittin' and cussin' thread.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:22:19 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

Quitting is tough but you guys are tougher.

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/bodybuilderpose.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/bodybuilderpose.gif) (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/bodybuilderpose.gif)


A cage full of monkeys quitting somking?   :shocked:  Take cover!
Fireworks, just in time for the holidays!

           (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/fireworks1.jpg)


We need a spittin' and cussin' thread.

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


YES we do....hey Klaas....think we *quitters* can have a *rage box* somehwere.....we're gonna need one....LOL.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 09, 2008, 10:22:42 AM
somking = smoking

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 09, 2008, 10:23:10 AM
Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…




Mrskub.....All I can say is....Beautiful....Thank You so very much for putting your heart to words.....Destiny...
I like this version the best so far!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 09, 2008, 10:24:28 AM
Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…




Love it.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:24:42 AM
somking = smoking

 ::MonkeyConfused::


See....You're already being a smartazz....ROFLMAO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 10:36:31 AM
O/T  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2531.new#new


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
O/T  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2531.new#new

Wewwy funny Kwass.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:48:13 AM
O/T  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2531.new#new

Wewwy funny Kwass.....

Oh Crap!....I'm *channeling* Elmer Fudd again....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2008, 11:00:20 AM
O/T  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2531.new#new

Wewwy funny Kwass.....

Oh Crap!....I'm *channeling* Elmer Fudd again....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: downloadingdaddy on May 09, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am a drug and alcohol counselor and I quit smoking 8 years ago. If any of you need a little advice feel free to ask. I think it's wonderful that you are quitting, your body will thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:39:16 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am a drug and alcohol counselor and I quit smoking 8 years ago. If any of you need a little advice feel free to ask. I think it's wonderful that you are quitting, your body will thank you.

Thank You!...Yes...tell me...it's very...very...bad to try and pull this patch off...roll it up...and smoke it....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 09, 2008, 11:40:25 AM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am a drug and alcohol counselor and I quit smoking 8 years ago. If any of you need a little advice feel free to ask. I think it's wonderful that you are quitting, your body will thank you.

Wow!  There are Monkeys that do everything.  What a wonderful, talented group of people we have among us.

Go Grannies!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Maggie on May 09, 2008, 11:58:26 AM

MrsKub,
That is excellent! Soft yet strong, loving yet firm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Maggie on May 09, 2008, 12:01:59 PM

Love the fireworks; anyway to animate them?

Also, Klauss, is there any way to resize my avatar so it fits?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 09, 2008, 12:05:03 PM
Destiny re:patches.....doesnt it hurt when you rip the patches off your fur? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 09, 2008, 12:17:13 PM
Destiny

I thought it would be nice to have one of the pictures of Dave with the Cross that some kind person made in Aruba
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DHolloway-at-cross.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DH-at-cross-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 12:19:25 PM
Maggie - made your avatar a bit smaller so it fits better.

OK...let's all try and get back on topic which is NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  We can talk about all our other trials and tribulations in the Musing thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
O/T  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2531.new#new

Wewwy funny Kwass.....

Oh Crap!....I'm *channeling* Elmer Fudd again....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

One of the funniest things I ever saw was during a district barbershop contest.  The guys sang like Elmer Fudd.  One was dressed like him.  They sang "Up a Lazy River" which if you think about Elmer's voice would never work.  Most of the audience was rolling in the aisles!  Laughed so hard I can't remember their second song.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2008, 12:28:35 PM

MrsKub,
That is excellent! Soft yet strong, loving yet firm.

I agree, best effort so far.  I like the tone. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: downloadingdaddy on May 09, 2008, 12:46:11 PM
Good Morning Monkeys...

I apologize for my little hissy fit yesterday.....stress sucks!

Destiny

No apology necessary  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks Klaas....hope you are feeling even better....You've inspired me to put on the patch...gotta quit smokin' myself....

If I can do it anyone can....BUT....I had quite a scare and it may take something like that for you too.  Just don't be hard on yourself.  Did you see the sound clip attachment I posted in the last message?    ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am a drug and alcohol counselor and I quit smoking 8 years ago. If any of you need a little advice feel free to ask. I think it's wonderful that you are quitting, your body will thank you.

Thank You!...Yes...tell me...it's very...very...bad to try and pull this patch off...roll it up...and smoke it....

You bet, First I would like to tell you why I believe the patch works well for some but not for others. Most cigarettes contain an awful lot of chemicals and I believe that some of those chemicals are addictive. I discovered that when I switched to all natural cigarettes I went through withdrawals even though I was smoking. After a few weeks the feelings of withdrawals subsided and a few months later I tried the patch and since the only addictive chemical in my body was nicotine, the patch worked awesome on my physical cravings. If you don't want to switch to naturals first that is ok just be prepared for more intense cravings. One of the most important things to keep in mind while quitting is that you need to keep your hands and mind occupied. For the hands I suggest using  a stress ball, they sell these in most department stores or you can develop a hobby that keeps your hands busy ( I actually used candy cigarettes because they kept my hands and mouth busy, be careful using candy or food due to potential weight and dental issues). To keep the mind busy you can take up a hobby or read more or engage in social activities with other non-smokers or anything else constructive that you can come up with. The last thing to keep in mind is that it is very important that you talk to others that are supportive of your endeavor and if you can make a point to associate with others who have quit smoking you will find that there is strength in numbers. If you need any clarifications or guidance feel free to ask I am always glad to help when I can.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: downloadingdaddy on May 09, 2008, 12:53:12 PM
Sorry for being off topic Klaas I will use the musings thread if anyone wants to continue this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 12:56:16 PM
Destiny

I thought it would be nice to have one of the pictures of Dave with the Cross that some kind person made in Aruba
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DHolloway-at-cross.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DH-at-cross-1.jpg)

TY Blonde...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 09, 2008, 01:04:44 PM
Destiny

I thought it would be nice to have one of the pictures of Dave with the Cross that some kind person made in Aruba
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DHolloway-at-cross.jpg)
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Beth%20%20Dave%20%20Family/DH-at-cross-1.jpg)

Memorial To Natalee
 
Dave Holloway at the makeshift memorial for his daughter, NataleeAs Dave walked down the beach, he happened upon a small wooden cross. When he looked closer, Dave noticed a rosary and the initials "N.H." carved in the corner. Dave said the image hit him like a punch in the stomach. It was a sobering dose of reality. Dave said that seeing the cross unraveled the thread of hope that his family has been holding onto -- the hope that Natalee may be coming home alive.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2008, 01:09:22 PM
Maggie - made your avatar a bit smaller so it fits better.

OK...let's all try and get back on topic which is NATALEE HOLLOWAY.  We can talk about all our other trials and tribulations in the Musing thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::

But I don't wanna go to musings heh heh

Love you Klass and glad to see you are HOME
been keeping my eye on you from a-far

ribbit



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 09, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…




Mrskub.....All I can say is....Beautiful....Thank You so very much for putting your heart to words.....Destiny...
I like this version the best so far!

I agree.  It is warm, caring, delivers the message and is not attacking or condescending. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 09, 2008, 01:57:26 PM
Destiny, I re-worked the letter from a different angle. Kind of pieced things here and there from the original but with a slightly different approach. Please feel free to use what you can. Hope it helps.

Dear Friends of Aruba,

As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we are coming to you, the kind and just people of Aruba, to help us heal this pain.

 We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We, as a nation, still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild and friend. We need resolve and peace in this loss and come to you to find this. We know that Aruba has suffered because of this tragedy as well. Together, with a common goal of justice and bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a powerful few, no matter where in this world it exists, is a threat to us all. 

We don’t profess that America or any other country is perfect. Neither are we blaming the honorable and just citizens of Aruba for the tragedy that befell this young woman. What we do profess and believe in, is a government that would bring justice for wrongdoing. We also believe there is a hero among you. A hero who will step forward to dry the tears of a mother’s pain. A hero who will help bring a child home to her loved ones. It only takes one brave voice, one brave heart to make this happen.

 It is up to you to restore Aruba to the great island it once was. It’s up to you, as a citizen of Aruba, to have your voice heard and make the changes in your government to eliminate the corruption which has now tainted your island. Let our voices sing in unison and rise above the petty bickering that has divided Aruba and hurt her citizens. Let us join hearts and hands to bring Natalee home and restore justice and integrity to your people.

Please, look deep into your heart and soul to understand our plea. To understand how deeply a person can be loved. So deeply, that it could shake a nation. So deeply that it will NEVER fade.

We ask for your help, fully aware, that your safety and security is first and foremost. As such, we have established secure phone and fax numbers to allow for any information to be safely submitted. Please be that hero that we so desperately need. If you have any information that you would like to share, regardless of how insignificant it may seem to you, please contact…



Excellent! Bravo! mrskub this is Perfect!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 02:21:43 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: GBMW on May 09, 2008, 02:25:31 PM
Quote
EXACTLY!!!  Always ... I agree with Destiny ... Americans and their boycott of Aruba are not the problem.  It is the corrupt investigation that has denied Natalee Holloway just.

The boycott is not about the crime committed against an eighteen year old American citizen ... crime happens everywhere.  It is all about a corrupt investigation that has denied Natalee Holloway justice ... a corrupt investigation riddled with conflicts of interest  that has ... since the getgo ... been distancing Joran and Paulus from implication.

Destiny ... I suggest that this full page add focuses on the miscarriage of justice ... not upholding the "good people" of Aruba.  Maybe just a huge headline with Natalee Holloways image underneath.

The "good" people of Aruba do not exist.  Arubans do not care about justice for an 18 year old American citizen ... they just want the Natalee Holloway story to go away.  Beth Holloway and Jug Twitty have stated that they do not have any advocates on that Island except Jossy.

The people of Aruba have no problem demonstrating in mass when it comes to wages or ... drug, choller and environmental issues.  Also ... they are able to organize demonstration against an anquished mother who dared to call two suspects criminals ... two suspects who obstructed the investigation into her missing daughter with their lies.  However ... in three years there has not even been one "tiny" demonstration by the "good people" of Aruba on behalf of justice for Natalee Holloway.

IMO IMO IMO

Janet


There are no good people on Aruba?   

That's just bullshit! (and to me that's not jmo....it's a fact.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 02:27:09 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)

We were told at one time it was Ben Vocking but I believe it was a misidentification.  Here is a photo of Ben Vocking with PVDS:

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Vocking4-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 02:27:36 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)

That is Ben Vocking the minister. Not the corrupt Ben Vocking that is a dirty hands and friends of PVDS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 02:33:49 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)

That is Ben Vocking the minister. Not the corrupt Ben Vocking that is a dirty hands and friends of PVDS.

Thank you this guy has NOTHING to do with the Natale Holloway case at all???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 02:39:13 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)

That is Ben Vocking the minister. Not the corrupt Ben Vocking that is a dirty hands and friends of PVDS.

Thank you this guy has NOTHING to do with the Natale Holloway case at all???

As far as I know..NO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 02:40:30 PM
Thanks everyone for the answers. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 02:50:29 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)

That is Ben Vocking the minister. Not the corrupt Ben Vocking that is a dirty hands and friends of PVDS.

Thank you this guy has NOTHING to do with the Natale Holloway case at all???

As far as I know..NO

Exactly, but if you look at that Judicial Inc website I think he still has this guy listed as "the" Ben Vocking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 02:59:44 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)


uhhhhhhh....the *Uncle* we never talk about at Family Reunions?....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 03:14:00 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)


uhhhhhhh....the *Uncle* we never talk about at Family Reunions?....


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I wonder if Klaas noticed the green froggy sassed her today? She has been sick.   :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 03:24:06 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 09, 2008, 03:33:51 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

No worries...I got it all down on paper.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Maggie on May 09, 2008, 04:05:19 PM

Thank you Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 05:10:41 PM
I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 09, 2008, 05:22:11 PM
I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow. You must be feeling better to venture over there. Your a goddess  ::MonkeyDance::

And they are very very sick.

I've saved this post from an old time Monkey for a long time  ::MonkeyWink:: Hope this helps.


_______________________________________________________
izzy Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 6:06 pm

Easy,

First of all, as a frequent lurker on the discussion board, I always enjoy reading what you have to say.

About the hate sites…I am both puzzled by and appalled at the level of venom and hatred exhibited by many of their regular posters against the family of Natalee Holloway. Seems like it began with a visceral reaction to Jug Twitty, who was a polarizing personality from the beginning, and soon expanded to include Beth Twitty and now Dave and Robin Holloway.

I’ve noted the following motivations behind some of the vitriol posted on the hate sites:

1) Class envy (all those comments about Mountain Brook)

2) Regional bias (i.e. anti-Southerner)

3) National pride (defending “attacks” on Aruba & the Netherlands)

4) Basic female cattiness/jealousy (refusing to believe Natalee could be such a good girl & high achiever)

5) Personal offense (e.g. one former SM poster is offended that Beth did not respond to her donations, many others were banned from this site)

6) Sycophancy (emulating the more strident/flamboyant/popular posters’ viewpoints)

Regardless of motivation, however, it is indeed hard to imagine what would drive these people to such a level of hatred that they will ignore facts and donate money to the defense of the obvious perpetrator(s), all the while viciously defaming the victim and her family. The psyche behind this behavior is truly disturbing.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sb on May 09, 2008, 05:22:33 PM
Hi Klaas,

Vent anytime you want. You've earned the right to do it!

Been out of town for a few days and couldn't check on our Cage. I see we haven't had much new happening but I hope everyone is well and as we near the 3-year mark, let's stay encouraged and keep at this task as much as we can.

Everyone hang in there! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 05:30:51 PM
I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow. You must be feeling better to venture over there. Your a goddess  ::MonkeyDance::

And they are very very sick.

I've saved this post from an old time Monkey for a long time  ::MonkeyWink:: Hope this helps.


_______________________________________________________
izzy Says:
April 13th, 2006 at 6:06 pm

Easy,

First of all, as a frequent lurker on the discussion board, I always enjoy reading what you have to say.

About the hate sites…I am both puzzled by and appalled at the level of venom and hatred exhibited by many of their regular posters against the family of Natalee Holloway. Seems like it began with a visceral reaction to Jug Twitty, who was a polarizing personality from the beginning, and soon expanded to include Beth Twitty and now Dave and Robin Holloway.

I’ve noted the following motivations behind some of the vitriol posted on the hate sites:

1) Class envy (all those comments about Mountain Brook)

2) Regional bias (i.e. anti-Southerner)

3) National pride (defending “attacks” on Aruba & the Netherlands)

4) Basic female cattiness/jealousy (refusing to believe Natalee could be such a good girl & high achiever)

5) Personal offense (e.g. one former SM poster is offended that Beth did not respond to her donations, many others were banned from this site)

6) Sycophancy (emulating the more strident/flamboyant/popular posters’ viewpoints)

Regardless of motivation, however, it is indeed hard to imagine what would drive these people to such a level of hatred that they will ignore facts and donate money to the defense of the obvious perpetrator(s), all the while viciously defaming the victim and her family. The psyche behind this behavior is truly disturbing.  


Sharon - thanks it did help  ::MonkeyWink::

I've always managed to read their crap without letting it get to me too much but to start this blame game with Tim Miller really got to me.  Tim Miller and his people never destroyed any turtle nests, that's BS...they weren't even in the area.  So much BS it just makes me sick.

The family of Jose Tromp contacted TES, not the other way around.  TES will not turn a family down when requested to help search for a loved one.  The only thing that would stop Tim and TES from helping the Tromp family is ALE and Aruba.  They can not allow TES to help. 

Tim Miller doesn't care if the missing person is Aruban, Iranian, Nigerian, Hungarian, North Korean, American, etc etc etc. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 09, 2008, 05:47:22 PM

Sharon - thanks it did help  ::MonkeyWink::

I've always managed to read their crap without letting it get to me too much but to start this blame game with Tim Miller really got to me.  Tim Miller and his people never destroyed any turtle nests, that's BS...they weren't even in the area.  So much BS it just makes me sick.

The family of Jose Tromp contacted TES, not the other way around.  TES will not turn a family down when requested to help search for a loved one.  The only thing that would stop Tim and TES from helping the Tromp family is ALE and Aruba.  They can not allow TES to help. 

Tim Miller doesn't care if the missing person is Aruban, Iranian, Nigerian, Hungarian, North Korean, American, etc etc etc. 

klaas -- they don't understand 'goodness' or 'good people'.

It would be impossible for them to understand a man like Tim Miller, or an organization like TES. Or anything that represents goodness in mankind. They have nothing to relate it to.

I can only think that their role models while growing up were equally as depraved. But the cycle will have to stop soon -- or they will disappear from the evolutionary ladder ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had been so hopeful that the Saddam Hussein trials would have lasted longer -- as I was sure they all would have begun to forget about Natalee so that they could have begun to raise funds for Saddam's release  ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh well. Hopefully their 'mother ship' will come back and pick them up someday soon.

It's GREAT to have you back  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 06:30:00 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/liljerryseinfeld1.gif)
Little Jerry Seinfeld

I'll translate the article.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Little Jerry Seinfeld, the winner of last week's Aruba soapbox derby delivers a speech before Parliament. In his address to the members Little Jerry Seinfeld called last weeks burning of the Kentucky Fried Chicken an intimidation tactic to discourage him from participating in the soap box derby.

Littel Jerry Seinfeld was quoted as saying - "No one intimidates this cock" before flapping off and demanding an investigation into the person or persons responsible for the act of intimidation.

Most will remember that Little Jerry Seinfeld and his wheel of fire clobbered the competition and is now in the running for King of the Caribbean.

Rudy "finger licking good" Croes was not available for comment.

www.24ora.com

E aña aki atrobe “Grupo di baile di Centro di Bario Playa Pabao” lo  prepara pa e fiesta di San Juan cual  lo tuma lugar dia 24 di Juni. Juffrouw Poppy  lo prepara alumnonan di e scolnan basico di e bario di Playa Pabao pa duna un presentacion durante e actividad di “Dera Gai”na Playa Pabao. Naturalmente muchanan di otro bario tambe ta bon bini. E muchanan no solamente lo siña e baile di San Juan pero tambe nan lo recibi informacion di e historia y tradicion di e fiesta aki. Na Centro di Bario Playa Pabao e fiesta di San Juan  lo wordo celebra Diamars  24 di Juni. E  programa lo wordo anuncia despues. Pues mayornan si bo ta interesa pa bo yiu forma parti di e actividad aki e ta bon bini Diamars 13 di Mei pa 5’or di atradi na Centro di Bario Playa Pabao pa mas informacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 07:18:25 PM
Luis Mansur and the Drug King Pens Ochoas

(http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2212/luismansurtj1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 09, 2008, 07:28:38 PM
Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 07:30:40 PM
Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 07:42:14 PM
Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.



Hi Rob,I havent seen a definite cartel but they are known to associate with The Cuntrera-Caruana Cartel(Italy and Canada) and Cali Cartel(Colombia). Whatever the name the Mansur Family is involved with  it's probably out of Venezuela.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 09, 2008, 07:47:18 PM
Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Fun%20stuff/ICONATOR_eb5a1ec4b42850d09bd0330-1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 07:52:09 PM
Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.



Hi Rob,I havent seen a definite cartel but they are known to associate with The Cuntrera-Caruana Cartel(Italy and Canada) and Cali Cartel(Colombia). Whatever the name the Mansur Family is involved with  it's probably out of Venezuela.

I'm not so sure. Wever, the one that got busted with the drugs and the 250k, was in Venezuela. Right???

I'm wondering how this got all got caught up in the real gears of justice when others have skated. Venezuela and Chavez seems to provide the cover that most of the narco-traffickers need. I think this group is most likely linked to Colombia. in my opinion anyway

I spelled Colombia right that time. I always spell it Columbia and kick myself afterward. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 09, 2008, 07:55:48 PM
RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 08:03:02 PM
I wonder if TES will help Aruba start their own search and rescue organization?

Sometimes all people need is a helping hand and some initiative.  mo



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 08:11:06 PM
Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.



Hi Rob,I havent seen a definite cartel but they are known to associate with The Cuntrera-Caruana Cartel(Italy and Canada) and Cali Cartel(Colombia). Whatever the name the Mansur Family is involved with  it's probably out of Venezuela.

I'm not so sure. Wever, the one that got busted with the drugs and the 250k, was in Venezuela. Right???

I'm wondering how this got all got caught up in the real gears of justice when others have skated. Venezuela and Chavez seems to provide the cover that most of the narco-traffickers need. I think this group is most likely linked to Colombia. in my opinion anyway

I spelled Colombia right that time. I always spell it Columbia and kick myself afterward. ::MonkeyHaHa::

They were caught funneling 500,000 or more to the Cali Cartel in the Colombian elections so it very well could be. For over 50 years the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company also smuggled cigarettes into Colombia and they are directly linked to Money Laundering with Colombia(Lopesierra). The Mansur Family was mentioned by President Clinton and others as being major Drug traffickers,Gun Traffickers and Money launderers and they are very large. Quite a few drug traffickers in the 90's that were caught in Miami specifcly mentioned the Mansur Family. Luis Mansur was just nailed with over a Million dollars as well as that 600 kilos he probably financed. I think he fired a gun when the officers arrested him and I bet the have the goods on Money Laundering also. Yes Booshi/Caldelerio Wever was nailed big in Venezuela with cocaine but bought his freedom with 250k.

In this case I see possible links with Canada,Italy,American and Colombian Cartels. All of which are represented by the two Cartels I mentioned above. Then we have the Mob out of Chicago which could very well be working with that same Sicilian Mob the Cuntrera-Caruana as they owned the Holiday Inn before Posner bought it in 1998. As you know Posner's Mob and most of the other Mobs from Chicago are Italian. That same Cartel is also linked to Rudy and Hendrik Croes.

That is why I was interested to learn that Guido Wever may have fled to Canada after Natalee dissapeared. That is where Cuntera-Caruna based there operations besides Italy. There are also other pro-joran supporters from Canada and also that cartoonist. All of them seem to have Italian heritage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 08:41:11 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3131/fatguy1zi8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 08:56:44 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

No worries...I got it all down on paper.   ::MonkeyCool::

Does that mean it's part of Kermie's permanent record?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 09, 2008, 08:57:59 PM
Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::


roflmfao, that deserves playing again. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 09, 2008, 09:02:33 PM

Sharon - thanks it did help  ::MonkeyWink::

I've always managed to read their crap without letting it get to me too much but to start this blame game with Tim Miller really got to me.  Tim Miller and his people never destroyed any turtle nests, that's BS...they weren't even in the area.  So much BS it just makes me sick.

The family of Jose Tromp contacted TES, not the other way around.  TES will not turn a family down when requested to help search for a loved one.  The only thing that would stop Tim and TES from helping the Tromp family is ALE and Aruba.  They can not allow TES to help. 

Tim Miller doesn't care if the missing person is Aruban, Iranian, Nigerian, Hungarian, North Korean, American, etc etc etc. 

klaas -- they don't understand 'goodness' or 'good people'.

It would be impossible for them to understand a man like Tim Miller, or an organization like TES. Or anything that represents goodness in mankind. They have nothing to relate it to.

I can only think that their role models while growing up were equally as depraved. But the cycle will have to stop soon -- or they will disappear from the evolutionary ladder ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had been so hopeful that the Saddam Hussein trials would have lasted longer -- as I was sure they all would have begun to forget about Natalee so that they could have begun to raise funds for Saddam's release  ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh well. Hopefully their 'mother ship' will come back and pick them up someday soon.

It's GREAT to have you back  ::MonkeyDance::

lol, you can forget the "mother ship" coming back for them.  why do you think they were left here to begin with?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 09:06:41 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3131/fatguy1zi8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2008, 09:08:47 PM
Would someone please tell me who this man is???  Thanks ever so much!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/BenVockingnot.jpg)


uhhhhhhh....the *Uncle* we never talk about at Family Reunions?....


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

I wonder if Klaas noticed the green froggy sassed her today? She has been sick.   :roll:

Croak.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 09, 2008, 09:09:52 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It ain't easy be'n green

Glad to know you're getting flies at the inlaws.

ribbit Ms. Klassend



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 09:13:43 PM


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

Yes when your 6 foot 8 it's hard not to be seen in group photos ::MonkeyHaHa::

That Fat guy look's like some head Mafioso that wont stop eating until his stomach explodes  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Happy TGIF everyone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 09, 2008, 09:15:12 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 09:19:57 PM

Sharon - thanks it did help  ::MonkeyWink::

I've always managed to read their crap without letting it get to me too much but to start this blame game with Tim Miller really got to me.  Tim Miller and his people never destroyed any turtle nests, that's BS...they weren't even in the area.  So much BS it just makes me sick.

The family of Jose Tromp contacted TES, not the other way around.  TES will not turn a family down when requested to help search for a loved one.  The only thing that would stop Tim and TES from helping the Tromp family is ALE and Aruba.  They can not allow TES to help. 

Tim Miller doesn't care if the missing person is Aruban, Iranian, Nigerian, Hungarian, North Korean, American, etc etc etc. 

klaas -- they don't understand 'goodness' or 'good people'.

It would be impossible for them to understand a man like Tim Miller, or an organization like TES. Or anything that represents goodness in mankind. They have nothing to relate it to.

I can only think that their role models while growing up were equally as depraved. But the cycle will have to stop soon -- or they will disappear from the evolutionary ladder ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had been so hopeful that the Saddam Hussein trials would have lasted longer -- as I was sure they all would have begun to forget about Natalee so that they could have begun to raise funds for Saddam's release  ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh well. Hopefully their 'mother ship' will come back and pick them up someday soon.

It's GREAT to have you back  ::MonkeyDance::

lol, you can forget the "mother ship" coming back for them.  why do you think they were left here to begin with?
dennisintn

Don't worry Dennisitn....we have been working in a deep underground complex....a secrect formula has been discovered to eradicate them in their *pupal* stage....

They are Pupa...posting as human beings....

Columbia Encyclopedia: pupa
(pyū'pə) , name for the third stage in the life of an insect that undergoes complete metamorphosis, i.e., develops from the egg through the larva and the pupa stages to the adult. A complete metamorphosis is characteristic of members of the orders Coleoptera (beetles), Diptera (flies, mosquitoes, and gnats). Before entering the pupa stage the insect is an active larva, usually wormlike in form. The pupa is a resting stage in which the insect is transformed into an adult. It does not feed or increase in size, and typically it is outwardly inactive and covered by a hard integument.

*Translation*....they are stupid...hard headed...things under rocks and such.....easily swatted out of the way when adults...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 09:24:52 PM


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

Yes when your 6 foot 8 it's hard not to be seen in group photos ::MonkeyHaHa::

That Fat guy look's like some head Mafioso that wont stop eating until his stomach explodes  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Happy TGIF everyone!

That was from the movie "History of the World"  don't remember which part. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 09:33:05 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 09:38:12 PM
I would hope a head Mafioso could afford a whole pair of pants.  (unless his name in the 'hood' was something like "Johnny Shortpants" or "Johnny Floodpants" something that was not PC)

What did Betico Croes safe Aruba from?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 09:43:10 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It ain't easy be'n green

Glad to know you're getting flies at the inlaws.

ribbit Ms. Klassend



O/T

A little sumptin' for Kermie...hope this works....others may peak too ;-)

http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 09:47:36 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3131/fatguy1zi8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

Yep...that's Mos in the back...the guy holding up the tent with his head.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 09:47:59 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



New name and place is a possibility. Joran would love buy himself a nice house in Spain or one of the other islands. He was anything but reclusive before the video but it does appear like he may get his buttkicked if he runs into the wrong person in Holland. I bet he hasn't shown his face much at all since February. I really get the feeling he is waiting for his big pay day. But it's not gonna come from his Daddy suing the Govt for his big fat check like he hoped for in the video.

7 million people watched that De Vries show in Holland,so I think Patrick is expecting to get rich. My question is who else is getting a cut?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 09:50:15 PM

Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

Yep...that's Mos in the back...the guy holding up the tent with his head.....

 ::MonkeyEek::  Good one Destiny!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2008, 09:58:50 PM
Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Your lungs are fine, Klaas...I think I hear an echo....A**A**A**  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 09, 2008, 10:03:18 PM
I would hope a head Mafioso could afford a whole pair of pants.  (unless his name in the 'hood' was something like "Johnny Shortpants" or "Johnny Floodpants" something that was not PC)

What did Betico Croes safe Aruba from?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  The Pants, the Pants... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 09, 2008, 10:13:40 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Government? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3131/fatguy1zi8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  IMHO

Yep...that's Mos in the back...the guy holding up the tent with his head.....

** repeat of joke from the first time this photo was posted:

note to self: start Tailoring business in Aruba --- make $$millions  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



New name and place is a possibility. Joran would love buy himself a nice house in Spain or one of the other islands. He was anything but reclusive before the video but it does appear like he may get his buttkicked if he runs into the wrong person in Holland. I bet he hasn't shown his face much at all since February. I really get the feeling he is waiting for his big pay day. But it's not gonna come from his Daddy suing the Govt for his big fat check like he hoped for in the video.

7 million people watched that De Vries show in Holland,so I think Patrick is expecting to get rich. My question is who else is getting a cut?

Do a lot of unpopular people go to Spain to run away? 

I was also thinking Canada.  Would Canadians notice Joran in a crowd?  Maybe in Ontario?

I don't see him going to some place like Mexico.  I can't imagine him living and loving a simple life.  mo

Like Mos, I'm thinking he's a lot taller than most people on the globe.  He is going to stand out where ever he goes. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 10:26:02 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



New name and place is a possibility. Joran would love buy himself a nice house in Spain or one of the other islands. He was anything but reclusive before the video but it does appear like he may get his buttkicked if he runs into the wrong person in Holland. I bet he hasn't shown his face much at all since February. I really get the feeling he is waiting for his big pay day. But it's not gonna come from his Daddy suing the Govt for his big fat check like he hoped for in the video.

7 million people watched that De Vries show in Holland,so I think Patrick is expecting to get rich. My question is who else is getting a cut?

Do a lot of unpopular people go to Spain to run away? 

I was also thinking Canada.  Would Canadians notice Joran in a crowd?  Maybe in Ontario?

I don't see him going to some place like Mexico.  I can't imagine him living and loving a simple life.  mo

Like Mos, I'm thinking he's a lot taller than most people on the globe.  He is going to stand out where ever he goes. 


Spain is where the Dutch like to retire and yes that is where Sinterklaas(Dutch Santa Claus) sends the Dutch when they are bad each year..lol I cant picture Joran going to Canada although he would be close to Aruba's Mob friends. Many would definetly notice Joran in Ontario as that province is almost like a northern michigan.

Joran speaks Papi,Dutch and English so he could adapt quickly in spanish speaking countries and much of western europe. Spain or another Dutch territory is where I would put my money on. He already stated he wants to buy a house in Spain,he would live in warmer weather,live anonymously and could learn spanish quickly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



New name and place is a possibility. Joran would love buy himself a nice house in Spain or one of the other islands. He was anything but reclusive before the video but it does appear like he may get his buttkicked if he runs into the wrong person in Holland. I bet he hasn't shown his face much at all since February. I really get the feeling he is waiting for his big pay day. But it's not gonna come from his Daddy suing the Govt for his big fat check like he hoped for in the video.

7 million people watched that De Vries show in Holland,so I think Patrick is expecting to get rich. My question is who else is getting a cut?

Do a lot of unpopular people go to Spain to run away? 

I was also thinking Canada.  Would Canadians notice Joran in a crowd?  Maybe in Ontario?

I don't see him going to some place like Mexico.  I can't imagine him living and loving a simple life.  mo

Like Mos, I'm thinking he's a lot taller than most people on the globe.  He is going to stand out where ever he goes. 


Spain is where the Dutch like to retire and yes that is where Sinterklaas(Dutch Santa Claus) sends the Dutch when they are bad each year..lol I cant picture Joran going to Canada although he would be close to Aruba's Mob friends. Many would definetly notice Joran in Ontario as that province is almost like a northern michigan.

Joran speaks Papi,Dutch and English so he could adapt quickly in spanish speaking countries and much of western europe. Spain or another Dutch territory is where I would put my money on. He already stated he wants to but a house in Spain,he would live in warmer weather,live anonymously and could learn spanish quickly.

I thought Joran spoke four languages including Spanish.  It was part of the "Dutch know four languages" tidbits that have been bandied about for almost three years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:32:04 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 10:40:08 PM

I thought Joran spoke four languages including Spanish.  It was part of the "Dutch know four languages" tidbits that have been bandied about for almost three years.

He speaks Papi,Dutch and English but he can learn a lot of other languages very easily because they are similar and some words are the same. Because he speaks Papi he could pick up Portuguese and Spanish fairly easy. Also because he speaks Dutch he can learn German quite easily. If he wanted to with more work he could even learn French and Italian.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 10:45:19 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:52:09 PM

I thought Joran spoke four languages including Spanish.  It was part of the "Dutch know four languages" tidbits that have been bandied about for almost three years.

He speaks Papi,Dutch and English but he can learn a lot of other languages very easily because they are similar and some words are the same. Because he speaks Papi he could pick up Portuguese and Spanish fairly easy. Also because he speaks Dutch he can learn German quite easily. If he wanted to with more work he could even learn French and Italian.

Well....damn....after his face lift...Joran could get a job advertizing Rossetta Stone language classes.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 10:52:13 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 10:54:57 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."



I think they should start by cutting his *dinky-winky* off....so he doesn't breed....then they can start on the other stuff....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 10:56:48 PM
Excellent post Sharon!

@ Sharon,

This is not about anonymous stories. There are also a lot of anonymous stories about Natalee.

It is about the official documents and not about what just everybody writes down.


If we start to believe the gossips about one person than we have to believe the gossips about the other person as well, don't you think?

How do you decide which story is true and which one is not true?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's my point, briany. It is nearly impossible to decide which story is true and which is not.

But I put a higher belief in what was reported during the first few days of June than I do anything else.

And I believe Natalee's mother.

And I don't need to listen to the 'anonymous stories' about Natalee -- because I hear the truth from her family. And friends.


But then there is Anita who told us her son was a real sporter and didn't drink or do drugs  ::MonkeyConfused::  And Nadira -- who told us that 'all big people lie'. So when Nadira said her sons arrived home around 4:00 AM -- NOT 1:30 -- was she truthing or lieing?

I don't believe in the official statements. Specifically the ones taken by Dennsi Jacobs, as I believe Dennis Jacobs 'rewrote' several of them -- at least the ones that he didn't disappear.

I think the majority of the official statements were orchestrated -- to provide detailed and ambiguous lies to cover the truth.

As I said -- I am not a detective, or a law enforcer, or an author. But I am a very logical person and I make my living by analyzing and logically solving complex business problems.

And I believe in Occam's razor  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Did you know that 95% of all people who disappear, disappear at the hands of the LAST PERSON KNOWN TO BE WITH THEM??

Natalee got into Deepak's car with Joran, Deepak and Satish and was never heard from again.

I am trying to help out the newer posters that did not follow the case in the very early days. Before all the lieing began.

Before Natalee died her hair black and ran away -- before Natalee sailed away with a blue eyed Dutch boy -- before Natalee met up with her boyfriend from Alabama and slipped back to the states to have her baby and avoid her family -- before Beth became Hitler's sister -- before Natalee became pregnant with Jug's baby -- before all those stints in rehab that Natalee went thru -- before aliens came down to earth and whisked Natalee away.

Before all those lies. And all the rest of the lies.

All I want is justice for the innocent teen, Natalee Holloway.
And peace for her familiy and loved ones.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2008, 10:57:28 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."



I think they should start by cutting his *dinky-winky* off....so he doesn't breed....then they can start on the other stuff....

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 11:00:06 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joren Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.b72fef6719.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=263&i=joransteinna5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 11:03:56 PM
What to do about identity?

Who knows how many cousins (close and distant) are in the Sloot family tree?  Maternal cousins?  Paternal cousins?

Borrow a cousin or other family member's identity and move elsewhere, apply for residency/citizenship.  How many family connections do the VDS have?
~~~~~~

I'm not that guy, I'm his cousin!  It's tough to be me.  It's hard to find a date.  Everybody thinks they recognize him.

Yeah, I heard the father files compensation claims weekly.

Yeah....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:04:10 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joran Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.b72fef6719.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=263&i=joransteinna5.jpg)

Oh Chit....depends time.....Thanks *******.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 09, 2008, 11:11:17 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joren Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.b72fef6719.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=263&i=joransteinna5.jpg)

Did you change something??...see no difference. sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:13:36 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joren Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.b72fef6719.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=263&i=joransteinna5.jpg)

Did you change something??...see no difference. sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 09, 2008, 11:16:24 PM
o/t did jossy have a monkey name when he would talk to you all


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:24:33 PM
o/t did jossy have a monkey name when he would talk to you all

Jossy Mansur?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2008, 11:29:27 PM
Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::


roflmfao, that deserves playing again. 
dennisintn

I agree.  Play it again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 11:31:01 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joran Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.b72fef6719.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=263&i=joransteinna5.jpg)

I think about that missing passport.  I think about how American's tend to talk and speculate about all the bones that are found on Aruba.

How hard would it be to leave a bone with something that would identify it as Joran?  Then, a public notice that Joran lost his passport to thieves and then he disappeared.  A bone (or something) is found.  With all the connections, how easy would it be to fake his disappearance?

Joran's fake disappearance would fix the problem for Aruba.  It would fix the problem for his family.  Some might think the story would go away.

Anyone see Joran lately?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 09, 2008, 11:31:13 PM
to Destiny, yes jossy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2008, 11:34:40 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.

John Candy is a comedic legend.  This is a fat guy who needs a better tailor.  Those pants are too short.  He needs to get that pudgy paw off his gut.  Calls attention to that big belly...unless of course he's just trying to hide that he popped that first button on his coat.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 11:37:09 PM
Prostitution Report
from Aruba



Aruba is a Dutch island where P4P is legal if the establishment is registered with the Govt. This was my first trip to the island and I decided to explore the chica options.

Escorts From my experience, the chicas are from Colombia and Venezuela. The age of the escorts are in their 20’s. In the Aruba Today newspaper (free in hotel lobbies) there are escort services advertisements. Of the five I saw, I contacted three of them. A fourth I called did not answer the phone and I never tried the fifth, since by then I was busy with the chicas. Yap Yum. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room. If you need to get away, it’s an extra $20 US for a motel room, he picks you up and return. The manager is Gene, a really nice guy. I ended up hanging out with him many nights in San Nicolas. I also sampled all his chicas. He had a service where he will take you to San Nicolas and explore the chica bar scene with you. This was very valuable to me since this was my first trip to the island. After that experience, I spent most of my nights in San Nicolas. Exotic. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room and during the day, he has a house you can use, which is near the hotel area, at no extra charge. He will pick you up and return. The manager (owner?) is Clerance(sp?), and English is not his first language. Clerance also runs the Players Gentlemen’s Club (strip joint) in Oranjestad (I didn’t get a chance to see it). Elite. The owner is Eddie and he charges $120 US per hour in your hotel room. He has a website at www.arubaescort.com. There was also advertisement for World Best Escort Services & Massage, and Doll House. I don’t have any info on those.


Red Light District- San Nicolas This is where you will find the chica bars. It’s on the other side of the island from the hotels. It was reported that there are 31 chica bars in San Nicolas. There are usually 4 chicas per bar. Therefore, there are about 124 chicas (all from Colombia) in San Nicolas. Their rooms are next to the bars. All the chicas I talked with were in their early 20’s. You pay the bartender a room (and condom) charge and then you pay the chica. I found the usual price for the room to be $10 US and the chica $40 US per 30 minutes. I did have one chica ask for $30 US. Sometimes the amount of drinks I bought was deducted from the room charge. Of course, everything can be negotiated. It’s good to make friends with the bartender. Sometimes they are the owners of the bar. The chicas have 3 month contracts and they can only be in Aruba once a year (the escort girls’ situation seems to be different but I don’t have the details on this). Most of the chicas are light skin, but they are some dark skin available. I explored the following bars; Minchis Bar, Kiss Me Night Club, Ron & Menta Bar, China Clipper Bar, Bongo Bar, Copacabana Bar, Carolina Bar, Atoma De Mujer, Chesterfield Bar, American Bar (with restaurant attached inside), Caracas Bar, Saikong, Sto. Domingo Bar, Las Vegas Bar, Java Bar, Black & White Bar, Roxy Bar, Pleasure Zone, Sayonara Bar, Baranca Bar, and Caribbean Bar. I went looking for petite/slender chicas and found a number of them. Basically, there are a lot of different body types among the Colombianas.

General Notes. The Florin and US dollars are used everywhere. But most places will give you Florin change back. A lot of places will not take any higher than a $20 US bill. They have had problems in the past with fake currency. ATM machines are available (I used the one in my hotel lobby a lot), but be warned- do not use ATM machines in the casinos, the fees are way too high). The ATM machine in my hotel lobby (Wyndham) did not charge a fee and I got US currency. Arubans are Dutch and they speak four languages (Dutch, English, Spanish, and Papiamento). You will need a car to visit San Nicolas unless you use the bus system. The taxis are too expensive. It’s also hard to find taxis in San Nicolas late at night. Aruba is more expensive (food, hotel, airfare, etc) than the Dominican Republic. There are a lot of Americans vacationing on the island and there is a lot of timeshare property on the island. When leaving the island, you go thru Aruba customs and then U.S. customs (if you are flying to the U.S.) in the airport, so get to the airport early. You land like a domestic flight back in the U.S. (which means that you can get home faster). My typical day was watersports (sailing, snorkeling, etc.) during the day, escort in the late afternoon, and San Nicolas at night. The chicas in San Nicolas are usually stuck there all day, so they really like it when someone picks them up and takes them into town (Oranjestad) or to the beach/movies, etc. You can get some real GFE action. The bars in San Nicolas are closed on Sunday.



http://www.worldsexarchives.com/world_sex_guide/3Aruba.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 09, 2008, 11:37:49 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.

John Candy is a comedic legend.  This is a fat guy who needs a better tailor.  Those pants are too short.  He needs to get that pudgy paw off his gut.  Calls attention to that big belly...unless of course he's just trying to hide that he popped that first button on his coat.


I thought he might be having a little "indigestion"  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2008, 11:42:58 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."


Might all work...until he opens his mouth.  His ego is so big, he's lost the ability to STFU.  I would think that would be important to the goal of staying alive and living happily ever after as a murdering scumbag.  He can't quit talking.  I'm counting on it being his downfall.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2008, 11:46:21 PM
STD/HEALTH TESTS Aruba

The club owners import 150-200 Columbian girls to work in their bars. The girls send photos along with a health certificate from home, and the clubs pick and choose the best ones. Upon arrival, the girls receive another health check and then rent rooms at the clubs for $30 a day. The girls do quite well under this arrangement compared to poverty-stricken Columbia, and the clubs foot the bill for their required weekly screenings, and they have only 90-day visas and then they can’t return for year…all approved by the local government.

http://outcastsuperstar.blogspot.com/2007/06/aruba-part-1.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 09, 2008, 11:47:07 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.

John Candy is a comedic legend.  This is a fat guy who needs a better tailor.  Those pants are too short.  He needs to get that pudgy paw off his gut.  Calls attention to that big belly...unless of course he's just trying to hide that he popped that first button on his coat.


I thought he might be having a little "indigestion"  ::MonkeyWink::

and is it just me, but aren't the other pants way to long?  Maybe i like a cleaner look on men. Not Johnny highwaters, but just breaking at the shoe...those are dragging at the shoe.  Is that the style now?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:47:17 PM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."


Might all work...until he opens his mouth.  His ego is so big, he's lost the ability to STFU.  I would think that would be important to the goal of staying alive and living happily ever after as a murdering scumbag.  He can't quit talking.  I'm counting on it being his downfall.

I agree with Ya Peaches....his ego is soooooooo big....he wouldn't allow any changes to his looks....he thinks he's *perfect*....his mouth will be his downfall....just as you said....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:48:57 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.

John Candy is a comedic legend.  This is a fat guy who needs a better tailor.  Those pants are too short.  He needs to get that pudgy paw off his gut.  Calls attention to that big belly...unless of course he's just trying to hide that he popped that first button on his coat.


I thought he might be having a little "indigestion"  ::MonkeyWink::

and is it just me, but aren't the other pants way to long?  Maybe i like a cleaner look on men. Not Johnny highwaters, but just breaking at the shoe...those are dragging at the shoe.  Is that the style now?

Nope...that's just what happens to pants....when you have no *spine* to hold them up....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 11:51:23 PM
Joran keeps talking, and talking, and talking.

I have to believe that after the recent witch hunts in the Netherlands (see the various youtubes) that he realizes that his life is not normal for someone his age.  He is not a rock star, and is not a member of the Hilton family (that I know of).

Maybe it would have been easier to just tell the truth.  Was he ever served with papers for the Dutch lawsuit?

Is there any update on that action?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:52:01 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

yes he is back there and was mentioned in that article IIRC... but it was Betico Croes Day. I would expect everyone to be there.

John Candy is a comedic legend.  This is a fat guy who needs a better tailor.  Those pants are too short.  He needs to get that pudgy paw off his gut.  Calls attention to that big belly...unless of course he's just trying to hide that he popped that first button on his coat.


I thought he might be having a little "indigestion"  ::MonkeyWink::

TexasMom....he's really trying to keep that slimey little *alien* thingie from poopin' outa his chest.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 09, 2008, 11:56:02 PM
to Destiny, yes jossy

Jossy Mansur  011 297 582 6747

Let's call him...and ask him....one ringy dingy...two ringy dingy....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 09, 2008, 11:56:35 PM
Didn't JVDS have a friend that didn't speak Dutch or Papi?  A more recent immigrant to Aruba?  I remember the Spanish language PVs too.

JVDS would not have to spend years learning Spanish, it was all around him.  His friends, his vacations, the maid, the tourists, the Kalpoes?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 09, 2008, 11:57:40 PM
AZ, I'm with you!  Apparently nobody knows how to buy and/or tailor a pair of mens pants.  The long ones look ridiculous as well.

And what is going on with that orange dress?  Next to Mr. Hand on his Gut.  What is going on with the skirt???   Is it caught somewhere? 

Poor thing, once she gets that dress worked out, she might be more attractive without the Emily Litella style specs.  I'm just saying......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
to Destiny, yes jossy

Jossy Mansur  011 297 582 6747

Let's call him...and ask him....one ringy dingy...two ringy dingy....

I've been in a playful mood tonight...I will step out of that roll for the moment....Jossy has/still is a very viable Friend to the cause...I was just joking about calling him...that is only the main number to the paper...

Jossy doesn't make everyone happy all the time...but...he does what he can...in a somewhat dangerous situation...I respect him.

Why may I ask...did you ask this question?....I'm only curious...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 12:03:49 AM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 10, 2008, 12:05:41 AM
AZ, I'm with you!  Apparently nobody knows how to buy and/or tailor a pair of mens pants.  The long ones look ridiculous as well.

And what is going on with that orange dress?  Next to Mr. Hand on his Gut.  What is going on with the skirt???   Is it caught somewhere? 

Poor thing, once she gets that dress worked out, she might be more attractive without the Emily Litella style specs.  I'm just saying......


I like the orange/yellow dress...it is very colorful.  Very full of life.  The glasses have attitude.  I will admit that sometimes, attitude makes a strong statement in pictures.

It looks to me like the wind is blowing the skirt and hair.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:05:51 AM
to Destiny, yes jossy

If you are asking if Jossy has ever posted at Scared Monkeys in the forum or the front page using either his name or a nickname, I would say NO.  Not that I am aware of.  I really don't think Jossy has the time nor inclination to be posting comments on the internet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 12:07:09 AM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 10, 2008, 12:07:20 AM
Destiny, I didnt want his phone number!!!!  I wanted to know if he had a Scared Monkey name that he used when he talked to you alll.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 12:09:23 AM
Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:10:15 AM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa - somehow you make me feel guilty for working on cleaning out my computer desk (that needs to be dismantled this weekend due to construction work in this area) and not responding to your post.

I cannot do what I need to do right now in this house with everything going on and watch and respond to all messages.  I'm very sorry if you felt ignored but it was not intentional.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 12:11:58 AM
Destiny, I didnt want his phone number!!!!  I wanted to know if he had a Scared Monkey name that he used when he talked to you alll.

Sweetie....I didn't give you his phone number.....I was kidding around....I posted a few posts above this one...my *true* reply...

You are doing just fine....stolen line from Klaas...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 12:12:18 AM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny

Destiny, you are sweet to respond. I am used to being ignored. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 10, 2008, 12:19:24 AM
Thats ok Destiny, heck if hes single give me his phone number too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 10, 2008, 12:19:34 AM
AZ, I'm with you!  Apparently nobody knows how to buy and/or tailor a pair of mens pants.  The long ones look ridiculous as well.

And what is going on with that orange dress?  Next to Mr. Hand on his Gut.  What is going on with the skirt???   Is it caught somewhere? 

Poor thing, once she gets that dress worked out, she might be more attractive without the Emily Litella style specs.  I'm just saying......


I like the orange/yellow dress...it is very colorful.  Very full of life.  The glasses have attitude.  I will admit that sometimes, attitude makes a strong statement in pictures.

It looks to me like the wind is blowing the skirt and hair.
the skirt looks like the lining wasn't pulled down all the way, but maybe that is how it was made.  Kind of short underneath with a lower voile overlay. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:21:13 AM
Casa - by the way, hope your daughter is feeling better.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 12:25:40 AM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa - somehow you make me feel guilty for working on cleaning out my computer desk (that needs to be dismantled this weekend due to construction work in this area) and not responding to your post.

I cannot do what I need to do right now in this house with everything going on and watch and respond to all messages.  I'm very sorry if you felt ignored but it was not intentional.

Klaas it is ok.  I can handle being ignored.  I expect no special treatment but when you are friends of the family and have been here from the very beginning it is sort of like a slap in the face when you are ignored when others who have no connection and have some strange opinions are embraced.  But guess that is part of it and I should ignore the crazy theories.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 12:27:36 AM
Casa - by the way, hope your daughter is feeling better.

Thanks! She is much better! She was a very sick girl!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:30:49 AM
Casa - I don't even know what crazy theories you are talking about right now. 

The way I see it this case is multidimensional.  There is the obvious guilty parties (JK2 and possibly PVDS), then there is a larger cover up that involves many and is very politically motivated. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:32:44 AM
Casa - by the way, hope your daughter is feeling better.

Thanks! She is much better! She was a very sick girl!

Yes, I was reading about it.  Sounds like she's going to need her tonsils out right?  They used to take out tonsils more often when I was a kid, then when my son was young they stopped doing it for some reason.  I can remember getting strep throat every year until they finally took out my tonsils. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 12:42:09 AM
Casa - by the way, hope your daughter is feeling better.

Thanks! She is much better! She was a very sick girl!

Yes, I was reading about it.  Sounds like she's going to need her tonsils out right?  They used to take out tonsils more often when I was a kid, then when my son was young they stopped doing it for some reason.  I can remember getting strep throat every year until they finally took out my tonsils. 

yep tonsils out as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:49:06 AM
It will be interresting to see if Aruba/ALE will allow TES to come to Aruba and help search for Jose Tromp as his family has requested. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 12:54:18 AM
Think I'm going to go play a few games and call it a night.  Slow in the forum tonight anyway. 

I have a pretty busy weekend ahead of me and I'm not quite up to par yet, so need a bit extra rest.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 12:58:11 AM
Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

Casa...Sweet One....sending Prayers...lighting a white candle for *health* for Your Dear Daughter.....Prayers for ALL of Your Family Casa......Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 10, 2008, 01:03:01 AM
Think I'm going to go play a few games and call it a night.  Slow in the forum tonight anyway. 

I have a pretty busy weekend ahead of me and I'm not quite up to par yet, so need a bit extra rest.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Good night klass...sweet dreams and fresh air...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 10, 2008, 01:05:09 AM
Destiny, didnt see your real answer about Jossy, whether he has a monkey moniker.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 01:06:02 AM
Think I'm going to go play a few games and call it a night.  Slow in the forum tonight anyway. 

I have a pretty busy weekend ahead of me and I'm not quite up to par yet, so need a bit extra rest.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


I just don't know how you friccin' do it Girl.....Sleep deep....sleep well....Heal....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 01:11:24 AM
Destiny, didnt see your real answer about Jossy, whether he has a monkey moniker.....

Always - I answered you, the answer is NO.

Now I'm really saying goodnight, LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 01:12:39 AM
Destiny, didnt see your real answer about Jossy, whether he has a monkey moniker.....

I don't have that answer for you.....



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 01:14:46 AM
It will be interresting to see if Aruba/ALE will allow TES to come to Aruba and help search for Jose Tromp as his family has requested. 

Yes...that is a phone call for Monday for me........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 10, 2008, 01:33:46 AM
Destiny, I guess I worded that wrong....I wanted to read what he had written because someone in Simeon and Shango blog said he had quit writing....I wasnt looking for personal information about him.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 02:04:12 AM
Destiny, I guess I worded that wrong....I wanted to read what he had written because someone in Simeon and Shango blog said he had quit writing....I wasnt looking for personal information about him.......

Shango...Lala's Mom...is the *key keeper*....you must ask her....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 03:21:25 AM
Photos:  15 Unsolved FBI Mysteries

http://www.comcast.net/news/national/unsolved/slideshow/view/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 03:32:27 AM

There are no good people on Aruba?   

That's just bullshit! (and to me that's not jmo....it's a fact.)

 :smt055 :cheers:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 03:39:44 AM
I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas, don't try to have a battle of the wits with unarmed people.

If they do make you sick, I will go unplug them myself...

 :smt021


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 07:15:23 AM
I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.



That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."



Maybe we could help him out.  I'm sure we could come up with someone who would re-arrange his face for free.  Just trying to do my part...

WG, I love your angel.  Your posts are cracking me up.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 07:25:58 AM
Excellent post Sharon!

@ Sharon,

This is not about anonymous stories. There are also a lot of anonymous stories about Natalee.

It is about the official documents and not about what just everybody writes down.


If we start to believe the gossips about one person than we have to believe the gossips about the other person as well, don't you think?

How do you decide which story is true and which one is not true?  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

That's my point, briany. It is nearly impossible to decide which story is true and which is not.

But I put a higher belief in what was reported during the first few days of June than I do anything else.

And I believe Natalee's mother.

And I don't need to listen to the 'anonymous stories' about Natalee -- because I hear the truth from her family. And friends.


But then there is Anita who told us her son was a real sporter and didn't drink or do drugs  ::MonkeyConfused::  And Nadira -- who told us that 'all big people lie'. So when Nadira said her sons arrived home around 4:00 AM -- NOT 1:30 -- was she truthing or lieing?

I don't believe in the official statements. Specifically the ones taken by Dennsi Jacobs, as I believe Dennis Jacobs 'rewrote' several of them -- at least the ones that he didn't disappear.

I think the majority of the official statements were orchestrated -- to provide detailed and ambiguous lies to cover the truth.

As I said -- I am not a detective, or a law enforcer, or an author. But I am a very logical person and I make my living by analyzing and logically solving complex business problems.

And I believe in Occam's razor  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Did you know that 95% of all people who disappear, disappear at the hands of the LAST PERSON KNOWN TO BE WITH THEM??

Natalee got into Deepak's car with Joran, Deepak and Satish and was never heard from again.

I am trying to help out the newer posters that did not follow the case in the very early days. Before all the lieing began.

Before Natalee died her hair black and ran away -- before Natalee sailed away with a blue eyed Dutch boy -- before Natalee met up with her boyfriend from Alabama and slipped back to the states to have her baby and avoid her family -- before Beth became Hitler's sister -- before Natalee became pregnant with Jug's baby -- before all those stints in rehab that Natalee went thru -- before aliens came down to earth and whisked Natalee away.

Before all those lies. And all the rest of the lies.

All I want is justice for the innocent teen, Natalee Holloway.
And peace for her familiy and loved ones.




Wow!  Thanks for bringing that to my attention, *******.  How did I miss that one.  Well said, Sharon.

BH  (Standing on my roof applauding)
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

(Oh Klaas, can you send your roof guy over here when he is finished.  Thanks.   :smt087)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 07:42:13 AM
Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

I am sorry to hear about your daughter, Casa.  I hope she is much stronger now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 07:52:23 AM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny

Destiny, you are sweet to respond. I am used to being ignored. 

I am sorry that you feel that way, casa.  Sometimes I am laying down and other times I am up.  I usually respond if I can.  If it is a post that needs to be answered right away, I usually don't answer it as I am usually playing catch up and always think the post has been answered by then.

I sometimes get distracted by your little kitty wondering what he is doing and feel like a voyeur.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
Prostitution Report
from Aruba



Aruba is a Dutch island where P4P is legal if the establishment is registered with the Govt. This was my first trip to the island and I decided to explore the chica options.

Escorts From my experience, the chicas are from Colombia and Venezuela. The age of the escorts are in their 20’s. In the Aruba Today newspaper (free in hotel lobbies) there are escort services advertisements. Of the five I saw, I contacted three of them. A fourth I called did not answer the phone and I never tried the fifth, since by then I was busy with the chicas. Yap Yum. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room. If you need to get away, it’s an extra $20 US for a motel room, he picks you up and return. The manager is Gene, a really nice guy. I ended up hanging out with him many nights in San Nicolas. I also sampled all his chicas. He had a service where he will take you to San Nicolas and explore the chica bar scene with you. This was very valuable to me since this was my first trip to the island. After that experience, I spent most of my nights in San Nicolas. Exotic. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room and during the day, he has a house you can use, which is near the hotel area, at no extra charge. He will pick you up and return. The manager (owner?) is Clerance(sp?), and English is not his first language. Clerance also runs the Players Gentlemen’s Club (strip joint) in Oranjestad (I didn’t get a chance to see it). Elite. The owner is Eddie and he charges $120 US per hour in your hotel room. He has a website at www.arubaescort.com. There was also advertisement for World Best Escort Services & Massage, and Doll House. I don’t have any info on those.


Red Light District- San Nicolas This is where you will find the chica bars. It’s on the other side of the island from the hotels. It was reported that there are 31 chica bars in San Nicolas. There are usually 4 chicas per bar. Therefore, there are about 124 chicas (all from Colombia) in San Nicolas. Their rooms are next to the bars. All the chicas I talked with were in their early 20’s. You pay the bartender a room (and condom) charge and then you pay the chica. I found the usual price for the room to be $10 US and the chica $40 US per 30 minutes. I did have one chica ask for $30 US. Sometimes the amount of drinks I bought was deducted from the room charge. Of course, everything can be negotiated. It’s good to make friends with the bartender. Sometimes they are the owners of the bar. The chicas have 3 month contracts and they can only be in Aruba once a year (the escort girls’ situation seems to be different but I don’t have the details on this). Most of the chicas are light skin, but they are some dark skin available. I explored the following bars; Minchis Bar, Kiss Me Night Club, Ron & Menta Bar, China Clipper Bar, Bongo Bar, Copacabana Bar, Carolina Bar, Atoma De Mujer, Chesterfield Bar, American Bar (with restaurant attached inside), Caracas Bar, Saikong, Sto. Domingo Bar, Las Vegas Bar, Java Bar, Black & White Bar, Roxy Bar, Pleasure Zone, Sayonara Bar, Baranca Bar, and Caribbean Bar. I went looking for petite/slender chicas and found a number of them. Basically, there are a lot of different body types among the Colombianas.

General Notes. The Florin and US dollars are used everywhere. But most places will give you Florin change back. A lot of places will not take any higher than a $20 US bill. They have had problems in the past with fake currency. ATM machines are available (I used the one in my hotel lobby a lot), but be warned- do not use ATM machines in the casinos, the fees are way too high). The ATM machine in my hotel lobby (Wyndham) did not charge a fee and I got US currency. Arubans are Dutch and they speak four languages (Dutch, English, Spanish, and Papiamento). You will need a car to visit San Nicolas unless you use the bus system. The taxis are too expensive. It’s also hard to find taxis in San Nicolas late at night. Aruba is more expensive (food, hotel, airfare, etc) than the Dominican Republic. There are a lot of Americans vacationing on the island and there is a lot of timeshare property on the island. When leaving the island, you go thru Aruba customs and then U.S. customs (if you are flying to the U.S.) in the airport, so get to the airport early. You land like a domestic flight back in the U.S. (which means that you can get home faster). My typical day was watersports (sailing, snorkeling, etc.) during the day, escort in the late afternoon, and San Nicolas at night. The chicas in San Nicolas are usually stuck there all day, so they really like it when someone picks them up and takes them into town (Oranjestad) or to the beach/movies, etc. You can get some real GFE action. The bars in San Nicolas are closed on Sunday.



http://www.worldsexarchives.com/world_sex_guide/3Aruba.html

Now we know what Joran is up to.  He is writing historical features for the Aruban archives.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 10, 2008, 08:10:07 AM
RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 11:52:45 AM
Good Day Cage Mates!

Hope Klaas is feeling stronger today....hope Casa'a Daughter is doing much better....hope Joran gets an impacted tooth today...ooops...did I say that?.....

Destiny ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 11:56:02 AM
Good Day Cage Mates!

Hope Klaas is feeling stronger today....hope Casa'a Daughter is doing much better....hope Joran gets an impacted tooth today...ooops...did I say that?.....

Destiny ;-)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Good Day Destiny! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: BIGORANGECRUSH on May 10, 2008, 12:05:57 PM
BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 12:07:10 PM
BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!

Good to see you BOC!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 12:35:50 PM
BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!

Good to see you BOC!   ::MonkeyDance::

Hi BOC....got my matches handy....lighter fluid too...LOL

Tex....you got mail...;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 01:08:22 PM
RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

Bearly....when it comes to that group...I use a commercial grade spray painter...swhoosh....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2008, 01:19:46 PM
I see there is a Rodriguez-Romero arrested. When was Daury arrested? March - April? This is probably a totally different ring.

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/crime/2008/05/09/u_s_attorney_operation_pink_tiger_nabs_m

U.S. Attorney: 'Operation Pink Tiger' nabs major drug dealers
Posted by Adam Lynn @ 05:27:35 pm
Friday, May 9th, 2008

Six more people were charged Friday with federal drug crimes as a result of "Operation Pink Tiger," an investigation aimed at breaking up what authorities are calling a major narcotics trafficking ring operating in South King County.

In all, 17 people from Burien to Fife have been charged with importing heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine into the Puget Sound region, according to a press release issued Friday by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Seattle.

Authorities have seized more than 18 kilograms of cocaine and $240,000 in their operation.

Here's the press release in full:

[More:]

    “OPERATION PINK TIGER” NETS SIXTEEN ARRESTS, 18+ KILOS COCAINE, AND $240,000+ CASH

    Ten Month Investigation of Cocaine, Heroin, and Methamphetamine Distribution Ring

    The King County Sheriff’s Office and the Drug Enforcement Administration concluded “Operation Pink Tiger” today with the filing of charges against six defendants for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Methamphetamine. The arrests late yesterday bring to 17 the total number of defendants charged in the case. One charged defendant remains a fugitive. The operation took it’s name from the original target of the probe who went by the nickname “Tigre,” and the fact that cocaine was wrapped in distinctive pink cellophane. The first arrests and indictments in the case occurred in late March 2008, with the arrest of ten people for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Heroin. This investigation utilized court authorized wiretaps, which were left in place even after the first round of arrests. The wiretaps lead to additional evidence which resulted in the additional arrests.

    Last night law enforcement executed seven search warrants and seized more than 16 kilos of cocaine, three guns and more than $203,000 in cash. Four cars were seized. An additional person was arrested for involvement in the drug conspiracy, but later was released when he was found to be a juvenile.

    Eight search warrants were served on March 25, 2008, which resulted in ten arrests, seizure of two kilos of cocaine and a pound of heroin. In addition law enforcement seized three guns, eight cars and $40,000 in cash.

    “This drug trafficking organization was based in Burien, Washington and had direct ties to Sinaloa, Mexico, an area directly responsible for sourcing drugs to the United States,” said Special Agent in Charge Arnold R. Moorin. “The organization was large, well established and was distributing over 30 kilograms of cocaine per month in the greater Seattle area. The Drug Enforcement Administration will continue to work with our federal, state and local partners to combat and dismantle organizations such as these, who bring their illegal activities and violence to our communities.”

    According to records filed in the case, using confidential informants and court authorized wiretaps, law enforcement was able to uncover a distribution ring for kilo quantities of cocaine and heroin centered around El Flamingo Restaurant in Burien, Washington. DOMINGO BAILON-YANEZ, 30, of Burien, was identified as the alleged leader of that distribution ring. El Flamingo Restaurant is owned by a relative of BAILON-YANEZ, and both the manager of the restaurant, RIGOBERTO SABALSA-LOZANO, 43, of SeaTac, and bartender CARLA RODRIGUEZ-ROMERO, 26, of Kent, have been charged in the case.

    These defendants are indicted and were arrested in March 2008, for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Heroin:

    DOMINGO BAILON-YANEZ 30, Burien, Washington
    RIGOBERTO SABALSA-LOZANO, 43, SeaTac, Washington
    APOLINAR GUEVARA-TEJADA, 30, Fife, Washington

    ALBERTO ROMAN-PEREZ, 26, Federal Way, Washington
    ANTONIO SOTELO-TELLEZ, 29, Fife, Washington
    CARLA RODRIGUEZ-ROMERO, 26, Kent, Washington
    HUMBERTO CRISANTO-ARTEAGA, 29, SeaTac, Washington
    SIRINO HERNANDEZ-CORIA, 21, Burien, Washington
    JOSE ORELLANA, 38, Burien, Washington
    SAMUEL ESPINDOLA-VEJAR, 24, Burien, Washington

    These defendants have been charged with Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Methamphetamine and will make their initial appearance in federal court at 2:30 today:


    JAVIER GASTELUM-INZUNZA, 29, Auburn, Washington
    ALONSO ROJO-LOPEZ, 21, Burien, Washington
    EFREN GALLEGOS-RAYMUNDO, 33, Burien, Washington
    SALVADOR HERNANDEZ-ARGUELLO, 43, Maple Valley, Washington
    OSCAR MANUEL VARGAS-FELIZ, 32, Federal Way, Washington

    GUTAVO ROJO-MELENDEZ, 18, Burien, Washington

    The charges contained in the indictment are only allegations. A person is presumed innocent unless and until he or she is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

    Conspiracy to distribute the amounts of drugs involved in this case is punishable by a mandatory minimum ten years to life in prison and a $4 million fine. Use of a juvenile to facilitate a drug crime can add an enhancement to the sentencing range, under federal law.

    This was an Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation, providing supplemental federal funding to the federal and state agencies involved. The case was investigated by the King County Sheriff’s Department, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and the FBI.

    The case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Sarah Vogel and Karyn Johnson.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 01:59:50 PM
From Websleuths...Joran drinking rum and doing heroin?????

nl news

http://www.dag.nl/1073268/NIEUWS/Art...n-Thailand.htm

Joran gespot in Thailand

    * 3

06-05-2008 | Door: DAG
Van der Sloot aangeschoten wild voor Geenstijl en Telegraaf.
Het leek voor Joran van der Sloot afgelopen met de massale media-aandacht, toen het OM besloot om hem niet te vervolgen voor de moord/vermissing van de Amerikaanse Nathalee Holloway. Maar niets is minder waar. De Telegraaf en Geenstijl.nl zitten hem overal op de hielen. Nu is de 'Vieeeeeze' Arubaan op Thailand gespot.

Geenstijl wist de hand te leggen op scans van zijn paspoort, dat volstaat met internationale stempels. Eerder kopte de Telegraaf al 'Joran lacht in Thailand'. Daar geniet de voormalige verdwijningsverdachte volgens Geenstijl van Bacardi's en Thaise hoeren. Zie ook:

Het hele dossier Joran van der Sloot
Video: Parodie op videobeelden Joran
‘Joran en familie opnieuw voor de rechter’
Nederland krijgt primeur boek Van der Eem

word lingo translation:

Joran sneered in Thailand
3
06-05-2008 | By: DAY
of of the ditch hit wildly for none style and telegraph.
http://www.dag.nl/web/contentViewCou...entid=73268Het seemed for Joran of of the ditch expired with the massive medium attention, then it Public Prosecution Service decided him for the assassination/vermissing of the American Nathalee not continue Holloway. But nothing is less where. The telegraph and Geenstijl.nl sit him everywhere on the heels. Now the Vieeeeeze Arubaan on Thailand have been sneered.
None style could lay the hand on scans of its passport, which is enough with international stamps. Rather the telegraph headed already Joran laughs in Thailand. There the former disappearance verdwijningsverdachte enjoys according to none style Bacardi's and Thai hoeren. See also:
The complete file Joran of of the ditch
video: Parody on video pictures Joran
`Joran and family for judge the Netherlands
gets early product book of of the Eem again
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 10, 2008, 02:14:10 PM
Can you believe the 'balls' of this guy to be doing drugs in Thailand?  I hope they give him all the Herion he wants, and then lock his AZZ up for good!! How is your 'sporter' now Anita???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 02:21:34 PM
Can you believe the 'balls' of this guy to be doing drugs in Thailand?  I hope they give him all the Herion he wants, and then lock his AZZ up for good!! How is your 'sporter' now Anita???
I agree with you AZSunny!  It's still very interesting to me that he chose to go to Thailand, knowing the addict he is; and the consequences for drug possession there.....What connections does he or his family have that obviously has him convinced that he's above the law there too? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: msmarple on May 10, 2008, 02:23:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 02:28:02 PM
Can you believe the 'balls' of this guy to be doing drugs in Thailand?  I hope they give him all the Herion he wants, and then lock his AZZ up for good!! How is your 'sporter' now Anita???

I hope he crashes and burns....the unmitigated gall of this burnout... never ceases to amaze/sicken me...Psychopath...Sociopath...Narcissistic...AZZOHOLIC is right!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 02:29:43 PM
Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

I am sorry to hear about your daughter, Casa.  I hope she is much stronger now.

Thank you!  She is doing much better!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 02:31:43 PM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny

Destiny, you are sweet to respond. I am used to being ignored. 

I am sorry that you feel that way, casa.  Sometimes I am laying down and other times I am up.  I usually respond if I can.  If it is a post that needs to be answered right away, I usually don't answer it as I am usually playing catch up and always think the post has been answered by then.

I sometimes get distracted by your little kitty wondering what he is doing and feel like a voyeur.

Ha ha!  My little kitty is busy busy!  I apologize for being a big baby.  I've had a stressful week!  Thanks for responding! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: casa on May 10, 2008, 02:32:50 PM
Good Day Cage Mates!

Hope Klaas is feeling stronger today....hope Casa'a Daughter is doing much better....hope Joran gets an impacted tooth today...ooops...did I say that?.....

Destiny ;-)

Haha Detiny I agree with you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: msmarple on May 10, 2008, 02:44:37 PM
http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30)

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Testigo \"Maria\" ta insisti cu curpa di Natalee no a worde benta den laman       

Saturday, 10 May 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un relato cu a aparece den prensa Hulandes, a mustra cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba a tene debido cuenta tambe cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu tin vision psychico, y esnan cu ta representa nan mes como ‘medium’. For di luna di Juni 2005 caba, DIARIO mes a ricibi un avalancha di tip di diferente “psychic” di Merca, kendenan a duna tur clase di informacion, incluyendo algun cu ta manda mapa cu un area unda nan ta “sinti” cu Natalee ta wanta of dera.

No ta di Merca so! Hasta for di Hulanda tabatin hende cu a manda informacion, incluyendo un mucha muher kende no tabata sa mes di e caso di Natalee. Te ora cu dos aña despues e cara di Natalee a sali riba prome pagina di un revista grandi na Hulanda... e ora numa el a haya un di su ‘vision’ cu e tabata haya den pasado, y a suministra informe na DIARIO y na Ministerio Publico, di un “homber ambulante kende ta cana cu sombre di cabana tur mainta buscando cocolishi”, ta envolvi.

DIARIO di comienzo tabata manda tur informacion cu drenta aki, pa Polis di Aruba. Incluyendo uno di e conocido Karen Gdosessoff, kende na Augustus 2005 a manda e relato aki pa Aruba. El a haya “contacto psichico” cu Natalee, y a pone riba papel loke e ta mirando, incluyendo e storia cu Natalee ta dera den un poz, cu ta mes profundo cu un palo di luz. El a splica cu prome cu esey, hombernan a carga Natalee y hinke den un cas estilo bungalow cu dak berde, muraya beige, y bentana di palo color berde. E tabatin un bicicleta tricycle den gang, y solamente un camber, cushina, sala, y airco na muraya. Tabatin algun paña y zapato di homber den e closet cu tin porta di spiel. Prome cu esey, e hombernan a bay cune algun lugar, incluyendo un ‘observation deck’.

E noticia nobo cu a sali den prensa Hulandes, a bin di un entrevista cu Fiscal Majoor Hans Mos, kende a mustra cu nan a haya mas di 10 persona cu ta mira mas leu cu normal, y a duna nan informacion, y cu ta bisa cu nan si sa unda Natalee ta. “Uno di nan a bisa cu e ta sigur cu e mucha muher ta bibo ainda na Venezuela,” Mos a bisa. “Un otro ta sigur cu e ta dera na parti pariba di e isla.” Ministerio Publico ta ricibi tur tip, hasta si ta bin di hendenan cu ta presenta nan mes como ‘medium’.

E uso di personanan asina door di Polis y Husticia, segun Mos no ta raro. Na Hulanda tambe ta haci uso di nan, pero tog nunca un caso a yega di worde soluciona via di nan. Ministerio Publico di Aruba sigur no tin intencion di cera e caso di Natalee Holloway, despues cu e sospechoso Joran van der Sloot mes a habri su boca back. “Debi na e transmision di Peter R. de Vries, un fluho di informacion a cuminza drenta, y ta Van der Sloot su culpa mes cu el a pone e caso haya un bida nobo, y e ta sigui haci esey den prensa.”

Na e ocasion aki, DIARIO kier a publica un carta anonimo di un tal “Maria”, cu a worde manda for di Hulanda via post. Ademas di DIARIO, e persona a manda copia pa De Telegraaf, y Peter R. de Vries. Un carta den Hulandes malisimo, cu ta ponebo pensa si acaso e ta basa riba realidad.

COLOMBIANO A YUDA CU CEMENT

Den e carta aki, e persona ta skirbi na Hulandes cu e anochi di 30 Mei 2005 pa 3’or di madruga, e tabata riba beach despues di a pasa den pleito cu su amigo, ora cu el a tende grito di un muher. E ta skirbi cu el a mira Joran hopi bon ta gritando nomber di e mucha, pero e muher blond no tabata reacciona mas. Beach tabatin ningun otro hende mas.

Diripiente Joran a core bay Hotel, y ora el a regresa, el a gara e mucha muher, sigui grita, pero e no tabata reacciona mas. Algun rato despues e tata a yega, y nan a trata na reanima e mucha muher, pero sin resultado. Mi a tende claramente ora e tata a bisa “Zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven te ruineren”. Un Hulandes malisimo, cu e Tata nunca a bisa algo asina.

Segun e tal Maria aki, tanto e Tata y Joran a cuminza pleita e momento ey. E no a mira nan yama telefon, pero algun rato despues un otro homber a yega cu un stationwagon, y despues nan a hiba e mucha muher pa auto di e tata, y Joran a cana bay laman pa laba su zapato debi cu nan tabata na sanger. Nan a pone e curpa parti patras di auto, y e otro homber a sigui nan tras. Asina nan a bandona e lugar.

Segun Maria, e ta sigur cu Natalee no a worde benta den laman, pero ta dera riba tereno di cas di Joran. E ta relata un storia di su amigo Colombiano ilegal, kende a yuda Van der Sloot cu cement pa haci “un trabao”, y a regresa despues pa Medellin. E tin miedo pa e storia sali den publicidad, pasobra si su amigo na Medellin haya sa cu el a basha abao, e no sa kico lo socede.

Online Pap translation:

witness "maria" is insisti cu curpa of natalee not owing to worde throw in sea

saturday, 10 may 2008

oranjestad (aan): one relato cu owing to aparece in prensa dutch, owing to show cu ministerio publico of aruba owing to as debido cuenta also cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu have vision psychico, y esnan cu is representa they self because; ‘medium’. for of month of june 2005 end, daily paper self owing to ricibi one avalancha of tip of various “psychic” of merca, kendenan owing to give all clase of informacion, incluyendo some cu is send map cu one area where they're “sinti” cu natalee is wanta or bury.

do not of merca only! even for of the netherlands had person cu owing to send informacion, incluyendo one child muher that not was know self of the caso of natalee. till hour cu two year after the cara of natalee owing to leave on first pagina of one magazine big at the netherlands... the hour numa past owing to achieve one of his ‘vision’ cu the was achieve in pasado, y owing to suministra informe at daily paper y at ministerio publico, of one “homber ambulante that is march cu sombre of cabana all morning buscando cocolishi”, is envolvi.

daily paper of comienzo was send all informacion cu enter here, for police of aruba. incluyendo uno of the conocido karen gdosessoff, that at august 2005 owing to send the relato here for aruba. past owing to achieve “contacto psichico” cu natalee, y owing to place on paper thing the is mirando, incluyendo the storia cu natalee is bury in one poz, cu is self deep cu one tree of luz. past owing to splica cu first cu esey, hombernan owing to carga natalee y hinke in one cas style bungalow cu roof berde, wall beige, y window of tree color berde. the had one bicycle tricycle in gang, y only one camber, cushina, sitting-room, y airco at wall. had some cloths y zapato of man in the closet cu have door of spiel. first cu esey, the hombernan owing to bay cune some lugar, incluyendo one ‘observation deck’.

the news new cu owing to leave in prensa dutch, owing to come of one interview cu fiscal majoor hans mos, that owing to show cu they owing to achieve more of 10 person cu is see more far cu normal, y owing to give they informacion, y cu is tell cu they if know where natalee is. “uno of they owing to tell cu the is assure cu the child muher is bibo still at venezuela,” mos owing to tell. “un another is assure cu the is bury at part east of the island.” ministerio publico is ricibi all tip, even if is come of hendenan cu is present they self because; ‘medium’.

the usage of personanan so door of police y husticia, according mos do not raro. at the netherlands also is haci usage of they, but tog never one caso owing to arrive of worde soluciona via of they. ministerio publico of aruba assure not have intencion of close the caso of natalee holloway, after cu the sospechoso joran van der sloot self owing to open his mouth back. “debi at the transmision of peter r. de vries, one fluho of informacion owing to cuminza enter, y is van der sloot his culpa self cu past owing to place the caso achieve one life new, y the is follow haci esey in prensa.”

at the ocasion here, daily paper wanted owing to publica one carta anonimo of one such “maria”, cu owing to worde send for of the netherlands via post. apart from daily paper, the person owing to send copia for de telegraaf, y peter r. de vries. one carta in dutch malisimo, cu is ponebo think if acaso the is basa on realidad.

colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the was on beach after of owing to happen in quarrel cu his amigo, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one muher. the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is gritando name of the child, but the muher blond not was reacciona more. beach had none another person more.

diripiente joran owing to core bay hotel, y hour past owing to return, past owing to grab the child muher, follow bark, but the not was reacciona more. some rato after the father owing to arrive, y they owing to deal at reanima the child muher, but without result. i have hear claramente hour the father owing to tell “zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven till ruineren”. one dutch malisimo, cu the father never owing to tell algo so.

according the such maria here, tanto the father y joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey. the not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, y after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, y joran owing to march bay sea for wash his zapato debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, y the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar.

according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.

 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: mrs. red on May 10, 2008, 02:57:26 PM
Doing a drive by.... we still need to write to media regarding Becca McEvoy and I had an email about Jacey Hardin.  BOth of the little girls deserve no less of our best efforts than Natalee... and because of Natalee's legacy we all know more about these cases.

Pls check out the front pages and the thread crimes against children and write en mass to Nancy Grace and Greta to get national coverage on these two very simialr cases!

I know we can make it happen y'all.... and please don't say it just makes you so angry that you can't deal with it... as long as we say that then there will be no change!

bbl...

take care monkeys.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 02:58:29 PM
Tim Miller & Texas EquuSearch Going Back to Aruba … Help Search for Missing Aruban Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp
 
Back to Aruba …
Tim Miller and members of Texas EquuSearch will be heading back to Aruba to help search for missing Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp. TES plans fly back to Aruba sometime later this coming week to help in the search for Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp who has been missing since November 27, 2007. TES has gotten permission from police and ministers approval to help aid in the search for Aruban resident, Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp.
Since Jose Manuel Vicenzo Tromp had gone missing, many searches were done by the family and ALE to get to this without any result. The family then contacted TES to help with the search and provide their expertise. Texas Equusearch will be working with Aruban law enforcement on this case.
TES has been to Aruba on multiple occasions searching on land and sea for Natalee Holloway, who went missing in May 30, 2005. This time TES will be searching for one of Aruba’s own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 02:59:07 PM
http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30)

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Testigo \"Maria\" ta insisti cu curpa di Natalee no a worde benta den laman       

Saturday, 10 May 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un relato cu a aparece den prensa Hulandes, a mustra cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba a tene debido cuenta tambe cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu tin vision psychico, y esnan cu ta representa nan mes como ‘medium’. For di luna di Juni 2005 caba, DIARIO mes a ricibi un avalancha di tip di diferente “psychic” di Merca, kendenan a duna tur clase di informacion, incluyendo algun cu ta manda mapa cu un area unda nan ta “sinti” cu Natalee ta wanta of dera.

No ta di Merca so! Hasta for di Hulanda tabatin hende cu a manda informacion, incluyendo un mucha muher kende no tabata sa mes di e caso di Natalee. Te ora cu dos aña despues e cara di Natalee a sali riba prome pagina di un revista grandi na Hulanda... e ora numa el a haya un di su ‘vision’ cu e tabata haya den pasado, y a suministra informe na DIARIO y na Ministerio Publico, di un “homber ambulante kende ta cana cu sombre di cabana tur mainta buscando cocolishi”, ta envolvi.

DIARIO di comienzo tabata manda tur informacion cu drenta aki, pa Polis di Aruba. Incluyendo uno di e conocido Karen Gdosessoff, kende na Augustus 2005 a manda e relato aki pa Aruba. El a haya “contacto psichico” cu Natalee, y a pone riba papel loke e ta mirando, incluyendo e storia cu Natalee ta dera den un poz, cu ta mes profundo cu un palo di luz. El a splica cu prome cu esey, hombernan a carga Natalee y hinke den un cas estilo bungalow cu dak berde, muraya beige, y bentana di palo color berde. E tabatin un bicicleta tricycle den gang, y solamente un camber, cushina, sala, y airco na muraya. Tabatin algun paña y zapato di homber den e closet cu tin porta di spiel. Prome cu esey, e hombernan a bay cune algun lugar, incluyendo un ‘observation deck’.

E noticia nobo cu a sali den prensa Hulandes, a bin di un entrevista cu Fiscal Majoor Hans Mos, kende a mustra cu nan a haya mas di 10 persona cu ta mira mas leu cu normal, y a duna nan informacion, y cu ta bisa cu nan si sa unda Natalee ta. “Uno di nan a bisa cu e ta sigur cu e mucha muher ta bibo ainda na Venezuela,” Mos a bisa. “Un otro ta sigur cu e ta dera na parti pariba di e isla.” Ministerio Publico ta ricibi tur tip, hasta si ta bin di hendenan cu ta presenta nan mes como ‘medium’.

E uso di personanan asina door di Polis y Husticia, segun Mos no ta raro. Na Hulanda tambe ta haci uso di nan, pero tog nunca un caso a yega di worde soluciona via di nan. Ministerio Publico di Aruba sigur no tin intencion di cera e caso di Natalee Holloway, despues cu e sospechoso Joran van der Sloot mes a habri su boca back. “Debi na e transmision di Peter R. de Vries, un fluho di informacion a cuminza drenta, y ta Van der Sloot su culpa mes cu el a pone e caso haya un bida nobo, y e ta sigui haci esey den prensa.”

Na e ocasion aki, DIARIO kier a publica un carta anonimo di un tal “Maria”, cu a worde manda for di Hulanda via post. Ademas di DIARIO, e persona a manda copia pa De Telegraaf, y Peter R. de Vries. Un carta den Hulandes malisimo, cu ta ponebo pensa si acaso e ta basa riba realidad.

COLOMBIANO A YUDA CU CEMENT

Den e carta aki, e persona ta skirbi na Hulandes cu e anochi di 30 Mei 2005 pa 3’or di madruga, e tabata riba beach despues di a pasa den pleito cu su amigo, ora cu el a tende grito di un muher. E ta skirbi cu el a mira Joran hopi bon ta gritando nomber di e mucha, pero e muher blond no tabata reacciona mas. Beach tabatin ningun otro hende mas.

Diripiente Joran a core bay Hotel, y ora el a regresa, el a gara e mucha muher, sigui grita, pero e no tabata reacciona mas. Algun rato despues e tata a yega, y nan a trata na reanima e mucha muher, pero sin resultado. Mi a tende claramente ora e tata a bisa “Zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven te ruineren”. Un Hulandes malisimo, cu e Tata nunca a bisa algo asina.

Segun e tal Maria aki, tanto e Tata y Joran a cuminza pleita e momento ey. E no a mira nan yama telefon, pero algun rato despues un otro homber a yega cu un stationwagon, y despues nan a hiba e mucha muher pa auto di e tata, y Joran a cana bay laman pa laba su zapato debi cu nan tabata na sanger. Nan a pone e curpa parti patras di auto, y e otro homber a sigui nan tras. Asina nan a bandona e lugar.

Segun Maria, e ta sigur cu Natalee no a worde benta den laman, pero ta dera riba tereno di cas di Joran. E ta relata un storia di su amigo Colombiano ilegal, kende a yuda Van der Sloot cu cement pa haci “un trabao”, y a regresa despues pa Medellin. E tin miedo pa e storia sali den publicidad, pasobra si su amigo na Medellin haya sa cu el a basha abao, e no sa kico lo socede.

Online Pap translation:

witness "maria" is insisti cu curpa of natalee not owing to worde throw in sea

saturday, 10 may 2008

oranjestad (aan): one relato cu owing to aparece in prensa dutch, owing to show cu ministerio publico of aruba owing to as debido cuenta also cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu have vision psychico, y esnan cu is representa they self because; ‘medium’. for of month of june 2005 end, daily paper self owing to ricibi one avalancha of tip of various “psychic” of merca, kendenan owing to give all clase of informacion, incluyendo some cu is send map cu one area where they're “sinti” cu natalee is wanta or bury.

do not of merca only! even for of the netherlands had person cu owing to send informacion, incluyendo one child muher that not was know self of the caso of natalee. till hour cu two year after the cara of natalee owing to leave on first pagina of one magazine big at the netherlands... the hour numa past owing to achieve one of his ‘vision’ cu the was achieve in pasado, y owing to suministra informe at daily paper y at ministerio publico, of one “homber ambulante that is march cu sombre of cabana all morning buscando cocolishi”, is envolvi.

daily paper of comienzo was send all informacion cu enter here, for police of aruba. incluyendo uno of the conocido karen gdosessoff, that at august 2005 owing to send the relato here for aruba. past owing to achieve “contacto psichico” cu natalee, y owing to place on paper thing the is mirando, incluyendo the storia cu natalee is bury in one poz, cu is self deep cu one tree of luz. past owing to splica cu first cu esey, hombernan owing to carga natalee y hinke in one cas style bungalow cu roof berde, wall beige, y window of tree color berde. the had one bicycle tricycle in gang, y only one camber, cushina, sitting-room, y airco at wall. had some cloths y zapato of man in the closet cu have door of spiel. first cu esey, the hombernan owing to bay cune some lugar, incluyendo one ‘observation deck’.

the news new cu owing to leave in prensa dutch, owing to come of one interview cu fiscal majoor hans mos, that owing to show cu they owing to achieve more of 10 person cu is see more far cu normal, y owing to give they informacion, y cu is tell cu they if know where natalee is. “uno of they owing to tell cu the is assure cu the child muher is bibo still at venezuela,” mos owing to tell. “un another is assure cu the is bury at part east of the island.” ministerio publico is ricibi all tip, even if is come of hendenan cu is present they self because; ‘medium’.

the usage of personanan so door of police y husticia, according mos do not raro. at the netherlands also is haci usage of they, but tog never one caso owing to arrive of worde soluciona via of they. ministerio publico of aruba assure not have intencion of close the caso of natalee holloway, after cu the sospechoso joran van der sloot self owing to open his mouth back. “debi at the transmision of peter r. de vries, one fluho of informacion owing to cuminza enter, y is van der sloot his culpa self cu past owing to place the caso achieve one life new, y the is follow haci esey in prensa.”

at the ocasion here, daily paper wanted owing to publica one carta anonimo of one such “maria”, cu owing to worde send for of the netherlands via post. apart from daily paper, the person owing to send copia for de telegraaf, y peter r. de vries. one carta in dutch malisimo, cu is ponebo think if acaso the is basa on realidad.

colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the was on beach after of owing to happen in quarrel cu his amigo, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one muher. the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is gritando name of the child, but the muher blond not was reacciona more. beach had none another person more.

diripiente joran owing to core bay hotel, y hour past owing to return, past owing to grab the child muher, follow bark, but the not was reacciona more. some rato after the father owing to arrive, y they owing to deal at reanima the child muher, but without result. i have hear claramente hour the father owing to tell “zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven till ruineren”. one dutch malisimo, cu the father never owing to tell algo so.

according the such maria here, tanto the father y joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey. the not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, y after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, y joran owing to march bay sea for wash his zapato debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, y the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar.

according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.

 

 


Just got back from the store and have to admit I'm not quite up to my normal lightening speed, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I want to see this entire article completely translated.  I don't think Natalee is in the ocean either,   Thanks for posting this msmarple!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:00:31 PM
http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30)

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Testigo \"Maria\" ta insisti cu curpa di Natalee no a worde benta den laman       

Saturday, 10 May 2008 

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un relato cu a aparece den prensa Hulandes, a mustra cu Ministerio Publico di Aruba a tene debido cuenta tambe cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu tin vision psychico, y esnan cu ta representa nan mes como ‘medium’. For di luna di Juni 2005 caba, DIARIO mes a ricibi un avalancha di tip di diferente “psychic” di Merca, kendenan a duna tur clase di informacion, incluyendo algun cu ta manda mapa cu un area unda nan ta “sinti” cu Natalee ta wanta of dera.

No ta di Merca so! Hasta for di Hulanda tabatin hende cu a manda informacion, incluyendo un mucha muher kende no tabata sa mes di e caso di Natalee. Te ora cu dos aña despues e cara di Natalee a sali riba prome pagina di un revista grandi na Hulanda... e ora numa el a haya un di su ‘vision’ cu e tabata haya den pasado, y a suministra informe na DIARIO y na Ministerio Publico, di un “homber ambulante kende ta cana cu sombre di cabana tur mainta buscando cocolishi”, ta envolvi.

DIARIO di comienzo tabata manda tur informacion cu drenta aki, pa Polis di Aruba. Incluyendo uno di e conocido Karen Gdosessoff, kende na Augustus 2005 a manda e relato aki pa Aruba. El a haya “contacto psichico” cu Natalee, y a pone riba papel loke e ta mirando, incluyendo e storia cu Natalee ta dera den un poz, cu ta mes profundo cu un palo di luz. El a splica cu prome cu esey, hombernan a carga Natalee y hinke den un cas estilo bungalow cu dak berde, muraya beige, y bentana di palo color berde. E tabatin un bicicleta tricycle den gang, y solamente un camber, cushina, sala, y airco na muraya. Tabatin algun paña y zapato di homber den e closet cu tin porta di spiel. Prome cu esey, e hombernan a bay cune algun lugar, incluyendo un ‘observation deck’.

E noticia nobo cu a sali den prensa Hulandes, a bin di un entrevista cu Fiscal Majoor Hans Mos, kende a mustra cu nan a haya mas di 10 persona cu ta mira mas leu cu normal, y a duna nan informacion, y cu ta bisa cu nan si sa unda Natalee ta. “Uno di nan a bisa cu e ta sigur cu e mucha muher ta bibo ainda na Venezuela,” Mos a bisa. “Un otro ta sigur cu e ta dera na parti pariba di e isla.” Ministerio Publico ta ricibi tur tip, hasta si ta bin di hendenan cu ta presenta nan mes como ‘medium’.

E uso di personanan asina door di Polis y Husticia, segun Mos no ta raro. Na Hulanda tambe ta haci uso di nan, pero tog nunca un caso a yega di worde soluciona via di nan. Ministerio Publico di Aruba sigur no tin intencion di cera e caso di Natalee Holloway, despues cu e sospechoso Joran van der Sloot mes a habri su boca back. “Debi na e transmision di Peter R. de Vries, un fluho di informacion a cuminza drenta, y ta Van der Sloot su culpa mes cu el a pone e caso haya un bida nobo, y e ta sigui haci esey den prensa.”

Na e ocasion aki, DIARIO kier a publica un carta anonimo di un tal “Maria”, cu a worde manda for di Hulanda via post. Ademas di DIARIO, e persona a manda copia pa De Telegraaf, y Peter R. de Vries. Un carta den Hulandes malisimo, cu ta ponebo pensa si acaso e ta basa riba realidad.

COLOMBIANO A YUDA CU CEMENT

Den e carta aki, e persona ta skirbi na Hulandes cu e anochi di 30 Mei 2005 pa 3’or di madruga, e tabata riba beach despues di a pasa den pleito cu su amigo, ora cu el a tende grito di un muher. E ta skirbi cu el a mira Joran hopi bon ta gritando nomber di e mucha, pero e muher blond no tabata reacciona mas. Beach tabatin ningun otro hende mas.

Diripiente Joran a core bay Hotel, y ora el a regresa, el a gara e mucha muher, sigui grita, pero e no tabata reacciona mas. Algun rato despues e tata a yega, y nan a trata na reanima e mucha muher, pero sin resultado. Mi a tende claramente ora e tata a bisa “Zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven te ruineren”. Un Hulandes malisimo, cu e Tata nunca a bisa algo asina.

Segun e tal Maria aki, tanto e Tata y Joran a cuminza pleita e momento ey. E no a mira nan yama telefon, pero algun rato despues un otro homber a yega cu un stationwagon, y despues nan a hiba e mucha muher pa auto di e tata, y Joran a cana bay laman pa laba su zapato debi cu nan tabata na sanger. Nan a pone e curpa parti patras di auto, y e otro homber a sigui nan tras. Asina nan a bandona e lugar.

Segun Maria, e ta sigur cu Natalee no a worde benta den laman, pero ta dera riba tereno di cas di Joran. E ta relata un storia di su amigo Colombiano ilegal, kende a yuda Van der Sloot cu cement pa haci “un trabao”, y a regresa despues pa Medellin. E tin miedo pa e storia sali den publicidad, pasobra si su amigo na Medellin haya sa cu el a basha abao, e no sa kico lo socede.

Online Pap translation:

witness "maria" is insisti cu curpa of natalee not owing to worde throw in sea

saturday, 10 may 2008

oranjestad (aan): one relato cu owing to aparece in prensa dutch, owing to show cu ministerio publico of aruba owing to as debido cuenta also cu informacion cu supuesto hendenan cu have vision psychico, y esnan cu is representa they self because; ‘medium’. for of month of june 2005 end, daily paper self owing to ricibi one avalancha of tip of various “psychic” of merca, kendenan owing to give all clase of informacion, incluyendo some cu is send map cu one area where they're “sinti” cu natalee is wanta or bury.

do not of merca only! even for of the netherlands had person cu owing to send informacion, incluyendo one child muher that not was know self of the caso of natalee. till hour cu two year after the cara of natalee owing to leave on first pagina of one magazine big at the netherlands... the hour numa past owing to achieve one of his ‘vision’ cu the was achieve in pasado, y owing to suministra informe at daily paper y at ministerio publico, of one “homber ambulante that is march cu sombre of cabana all morning buscando cocolishi”, is envolvi.

daily paper of comienzo was send all informacion cu enter here, for police of aruba. incluyendo uno of the conocido karen gdosessoff, that at august 2005 owing to send the relato here for aruba. past owing to achieve “contacto psichico” cu natalee, y owing to place on paper thing the is mirando, incluyendo the storia cu natalee is bury in one poz, cu is self deep cu one tree of luz. past owing to splica cu first cu esey, hombernan owing to carga natalee y hinke in one cas style bungalow cu roof berde, wall beige, y window of tree color berde. the had one bicycle tricycle in gang, y only one camber, cushina, sitting-room, y airco at wall. had some cloths y zapato of man in the closet cu have door of spiel. first cu esey, the hombernan owing to bay cune some lugar, incluyendo one ‘observation deck’.

the news new cu owing to leave in prensa dutch, owing to come of one interview cu fiscal majoor hans mos, that owing to show cu they owing to achieve more of 10 person cu is see more far cu normal, y owing to give they informacion, y cu is tell cu they if know where natalee is. “uno of they owing to tell cu the is assure cu the child muher is bibo still at venezuela,” mos owing to tell. “un another is assure cu the is bury at part east of the island.” ministerio publico is ricibi all tip, even if is come of hendenan cu is present they self because; ‘medium’.

the usage of personanan so door of police y husticia, according mos do not raro. at the netherlands also is haci usage of they, but tog never one caso owing to arrive of worde soluciona via of they. ministerio publico of aruba assure not have intencion of close the caso of natalee holloway, after cu the sospechoso joran van der sloot self owing to open his mouth back. “debi at the transmision of peter r. de vries, one fluho of informacion owing to cuminza enter, y is van der sloot his culpa self cu past owing to place the caso achieve one life new, y the is follow haci esey in prensa.”

at the ocasion here, daily paper wanted owing to publica one carta anonimo of one such “maria”, cu owing to worde send for of the netherlands via post. apart from daily paper, the person owing to send copia for de telegraaf, y peter r. de vries. one carta in dutch malisimo, cu is ponebo think if acaso the is basa on realidad.

colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the was on beach after of owing to happen in quarrel cu his amigo, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one muher. the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is gritando name of the child, but the muher blond not was reacciona more. beach had none another person more.

diripiente joran owing to core bay hotel, y hour past owing to return, past owing to grab the child muher, follow bark, but the not was reacciona more. some rato after the father owing to arrive, y they owing to deal at reanima the child muher, but without result. i have hear claramente hour the father owing to tell “zij is dood, jij heb mijn leven till ruineren”. one dutch malisimo, cu the father never owing to tell algo so.

according the such maria here, tanto the father y joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey. the not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, y after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, y joran owing to march bay sea for wash his zapato debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, y the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar.

according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.

 

 


DIG UP THE DAMN POOL AREA....hell...dig up the whole damn place....

The dam is cracking...leaking...crumbling.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 03:05:55 PM
This may not be a popular request, but TES is going to need donations (as they always do).  It doesn't matter who they are searching for, they still need donations.  Please consider making a donation to TES for either the NH search or ANY other searches including Jose Tromp in Aruba.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:15:19 PM
Hey!...Sweaty Running Man...and see-through-blouse-cow....maybe you should plan your *last* pool party....ya might not have one soon....also...how long do you think it will take your drug riddled *spawn*...to completely crack......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:18:05 PM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny

Destiny, you are sweet to respond. I am used to being ignored. 

I am sorry that you feel that way, casa.  Sometimes I am laying down and other times I am up.  I usually respond if I can.  If it is a post that needs to be answered right away, I usually don't answer it as I am usually playing catch up and always think the post has been answered by then.

I sometimes get distracted by your little kitty wondering what he is doing and feel like a voyeur.

Ha ha!  My little kitty is busy busy!  I apologize for being a big baby.  I've had a stressful week!  Thanks for responding! 

Casa....good to hear your Dear Daughter is feeling better....I understand stress...it sucks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:19:51 PM
Hey!...Sweaty Running Man...and see-through-blouse-cow....maybe you should plan your *last* pool party....ya might not have one soon....also...how long do you think it will take your drug riddled *spawn*...to completely crack......

Klaas....do we have a *family* photo to go with this post?

TIA....Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:21:03 PM
This may not be a popular request, but TES is going to need donations (as they always do).  It doesn't matter who they are searching for, they still need donations.  Please consider making a donation to TES for either the NH search or ANY other searches including Jose Tromp in Aruba.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Klaas....my offer to throw a fund raiser at my business...still stands...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 03:22:06 PM
This image is from the Diario article that Ms. Marple posted:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Diario05102008.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 10, 2008, 03:28:57 PM
This image is from the Diario article that Ms. Marple posted:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Diario05102008.jpg)
Okay, where would this be in relation to the new recent pond search area that caps is talking about? Any ideas?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:29:45 PM
This image is from the Diario article that Ms. Marple posted:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Diario05102008.jpg)

Thanks Tex....I've been trying to access Diario online...must be busy....this doesn't sound like the article that Ms. Marple posted....I'll go back and re-read it....I thought it said something about Natalee being buried on the House Propery of the Sloots...in cement....I think I'm learning a little PAP...LOL....thanks for posting this!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 03:35:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.



it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
This is the part of the article Ms. Marple posted...the part I was talking about....I'm still re-reading it...over and over...still can't access online paper...

*
according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.*

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 03:43:59 PM
Hey!...Sweaty Running Man...and see-through-blouse-cow....maybe you should plan your *last* pool party....ya might not have one soon....also...how long do you think it will take your drug riddled *spawn*...to completely crack......

Klaas....do we have a *family* photo to go with this post?

TIA....Destiny

Not at the moment, I'm sort of out of sorts with the computers at the moment ...sorry  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
Hey!...Sweaty Running Man...and see-through-blouse-cow....maybe you should plan your *last* pool party....ya might not have one soon....also...how long do you think it will take your drug riddled *spawn*...to completely crack......

Klaas....do we have a *family* photo to go with this post?

TIA....Destiny

Not at the moment, I'm sort of out of sorts with the computers at the moment ...sorry  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank You anyway!...Glad to see you smiling....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 03:51:37 PM
This is the part of the article Ms. Marple posted...the part I was talking about....I'm still re-reading it...over and over...still can't access online paper...

*
according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.*

 

From the "little" I can make out of the article....I think they are saying that there were several theories by many psychics of Natalee's whereabouts in 2005.  The image I posted is one of four images available, I clicked on the picture of Natalee in the article and scrolled through them to find it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 03:53:14 PM
This is the part of the article Ms. Marple posted...the part I was talking about....I'm still re-reading it...over and over...still can't access online paper...

*
according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of cas of joran. the is relata one storia of his amigo colombiano ilegal, that owing to help van der sloot cu cement for haci “un trabao”, y owing to return after for medellin. the have fright for her storia leave in publicidad, because if his amigo at medellin achieve know cu past owing to pour abao, the not know kico will socede.*

 

From the "little" I can make out of the article....I think they are saying that there were several theories by many psychics of Natalee's whereabouts in 2005.  The image I posted is one of four images available, I clicked on the picture of Natalee in the article and scrolled through them to find it.

Thanks Tex...finally got online...will follow in your footsteps ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 10, 2008, 04:01:45 PM
This image is from the Diario article that Ms. Marple posted:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Diario05102008.jpg)

I have been looking at the google earth version of where this pond is located...could that electrical tower actually be a cell tower?   don't we have a map of all the cell locations on Aruba?  I know Marlee sent me one, but I can't seem to get it to load right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 04:28:27 PM
Party on Joran  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.darrylsplace.com/thai/htm...egalities.html Drug Penalties
CATEGORY I dangerous narcotics such as heroin, amphetamine, methamphetamine, ecstasy and LSD

Possession: imprisonment of 1-10 years and a fine of 10,000 - 100,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment of 6 months - 10 years and a fine of 5,000 - 100,000 Baht

CATEGORY II ordinary narcotics such as coca leaf, cocaine, codeine, concentrate of poppy straw, methadone, morphine, medicinal opium and opium

Possesion: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment of 6 months - 10 years and a fine of 5,000 - 100,000 Baht

CATEGORY III narcotics which are in the form of medicinal formula and contain narcotics of Category II as ingredients

CATEGORY IV chemicals used for producing narcotics of Category I or II such as acetic anhydride, acetyl chloride, ethylidin diacetate, chlorpseudoephedrine, ergometrine, ergotamine, isosafrole, lysergic acid, piperonal and safrole

Possession: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

CATEGORY V 4 narcotics which are not included in Category I to IV - i.e. cannabis, kratom plant, poppy plant and magic mushroom.

Possession: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment not exceeding 1 year and a fine not exceeding 10,000 Baht


The above information was availibel through

Please note, if you are found in possession of a lot of drugs, the police authorities will assume you are carrying with an intent to sell. The penalties for this are severe in Thailand. You can get life or even execution
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 10, 2008, 04:37:18 PM
Party on Joran  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

http://www.darrylsplace.com/thai/htm...egalities.html Drug Penalties
CATEGORY I dangerous narcotics such as heroin, amphetamine, methamphetamine, ecstasy and LSD

Possession: imprisonment of 1-10 years and a fine of 10,000 - 100,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment of 6 months - 10 years and a fine of 5,000 - 100,000 Baht

CATEGORY II ordinary narcotics such as coca leaf, cocaine, codeine, concentrate of poppy straw, methadone, morphine, medicinal opium and opium

Possesion: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment of 6 months - 10 years and a fine of 5,000 - 100,000 Baht

CATEGORY III narcotics which are in the form of medicinal formula and contain narcotics of Category II as ingredients

CATEGORY IV chemicals used for producing narcotics of Category I or II such as acetic anhydride, acetyl chloride, ethylidin diacetate, chlorpseudoephedrine, ergometrine, ergotamine, isosafrole, lysergic acid, piperonal and safrole

Possession: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

CATEGORY V 4 narcotics which are not included in Category I to IV - i.e. cannabis, kratom plant, poppy plant and magic mushroom.

Possession: imprisonment not exceeding 5 years and a fine not exceeding 50,000 Baht

Consumption: imprisonment not exceeding 1 year and a fine not exceeding 10,000 Baht


The above information was availibel through

Please note, if you are found in possession of a lot of drugs, the police authorities will assume you are carrying with an intent to sell. The penalties for this are severe in Thailand. You can get life or even execution
Reply With Quote
How about the added gift of "caning"?? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 10, 2008, 05:18:59 PM
Does anyone know....was this call, while Joran was in jail, made from the illegal cell phone??

Name/Title. Phone call Tap between Joran van der Sloot and Paul van der Sloot
File No:
Date: 13 June 2005 / 13:30
Pages :2
Writer/ Initiator Setar (phone company)
Description: Phone call Tap between Joran and Paul van der Sloot
Source: Setar (phone company)
Lab nr: none
Location: Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2008, 05:20:31 PM
This may not be a popular request, but TES is going to need donations (as they always do).  It doesn't matter who they are searching for, they still need donations.  Please consider making a donation to TES for either the NH search or ANY other searches including Jose Tromp in Aruba.

http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

My brother donated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2008, 05:22:51 PM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa - somehow you make me feel guilty for working on cleaning out my computer desk (that needs to be dismantled this weekend due to construction work in this area) and not responding to your post.

I cannot do what I need to do right now in this house with everything going on and watch and respond to all messages.  I'm very sorry if you felt ignored but it was not intentional.

Klaas it is ok.  I can handle being ignored.  I expect no special treatment but when you are friends of the family and have been here from the very beginning it is sort of like a slap in the face when you are ignored when others who have no connection and have some strange opinions are embraced.  But guess that is part of it and I should ignore the crazy theories.

ribbit casa



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2008, 05:28:42 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It ain't easy be'n green

Glad to know you're getting flies at the inlaws.

ribbit Ms. Klassend




O/T

A little sumptin' for Kermie...hope this works....others may peak too ;-)

http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

love it



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
We know at one time in the 80's the Mob bragged about owning 70% of Aruba. I am not saying the Fat Guy in this picture is a Mobster..But who the heck is he? Is he a leader in another Governement? He is right in the middle of Aruba's most powerful at this ceremony ::MonkeyConfused::

Can you spot Mos in this picture?  ::MonkeyWink::
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5572/fatguygt1.png) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3131/fatguy1zi8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Is that Mos way in the back?

The big guy looks like John Candy.  imho

Yep...that's Mos in the back...the guy holding up the tent with his head.....


ROFLMAO ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2008, 05:32:29 PM
RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

They make it easy to pick out evil. Heh Heh




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 10, 2008, 05:33:18 PM
Does anyone know....was this call, while Joran was in jail, made from the illegal cell phone??

Name/Title. Phone call Tap between Joran van der Sloot and Paul van der Sloot
File No:
Date: 13 June 2005 / 13:30
Pages :2
Writer/ Initiator Setar (phone company)
Description: Phone call Tap between Joran and Paul van der Sloot
Source: Setar (phone company)
Lab nr: none
Location: Aruba

Papa can you hear me?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 06:08:47 PM
Does anyone know....was this call, while Joran was in jail, made from the illegal cell phone??

Name/Title. Phone call Tap between Joran van der Sloot and Paul van der Sloot
File No:
Date: 13 June 2005 / 13:30
Pages :2
Writer/ Initiator Setar (phone company)
Description: Phone call Tap between Joran and Paul van der Sloot
Source: Setar (phone company)
Lab nr: none
Location: Aruba

Papa can you hear me?




 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 10, 2008, 06:21:13 PM
Lala's - Yes, I noticed the sassing from Kermie but chose to ignore it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

It ain't easy be'n green

Glad to know you're getting flies at the inlaws.

ribbit Ms. Klassend




O/T

A little sumptin' for Kermie...hope this works....others may peak too ;-)

http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf



 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

love it



Glad you liked it Kermie...gives a whole new meaning to *Dinner Theater*...for frogs.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 10, 2008, 06:29:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.



it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 07:27:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/) 


it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

It is outrageous Caesu!! :( They needed someone who was dirty and corrupt so they would fit right in.

Yes he will act as the Prosecutor General until the end of the year  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know what Mos's title is..I know he doesnt have KJ's job as Chief Prosecuter as that is Dop Kumiel. He isn't the AG either,He's like the head of the OM and the head BS PR spokesperson for that part of the Govt. He described himself like a Director(Manager)of the OM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 07:32:29 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.



it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.
the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 07:41:08 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/) 


it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

It is outrageous Caesu!! :( They needed someone who was dirty and corrupt so they would fit right in.

Yes he will act as the Prosecutor General until the end of the year  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know what Mos's title is..I know he doesnt have KJ's job as Chief Prosecuter as that is Dop Kumiel. He isn't the AG either,He's like the head of the OM and the head BS PR spokesperson for that part of the Govt. He described himself like a Director(Manager)of the OM.

i am not 100% sure now.
but i think Hans Mos has KJ's job: public prosecutor.

and Dop Kruimel is press public prosecutor.
her job is to speak to the press. to explain indictments to the press.

i don't know if there was also a press public prosecutor around when KJ was there.

but Mos sort of sidelines Dop Kruimel and speaks to the press himself.
public prosecutor and press public prosecutor are equal jobs, same requirements.

some OM's also have a spokesman. this is then kind of the secretary for the press public prosecutor.

but things on Aruba are really the other way around. nobody knows what they are doing or should be doing at that OM is seems. this was also in that article you posted last week from A. de Cuba. that nobody picked up the phone at the OM. they were all taking courses at other islands.

so you might be right after all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 10, 2008, 07:49:25 PM
In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is the AG or Prosecution spokesperson(Mos) is, the result will be the same. The "Thorazine" society just doesn't care. They did wake from their slumber to bitch they weren't being paid enough, but it's back to sleep now.

I think it does serve notice to Holland that their justice system is in need of an overhaul. Top to bottom. Once some of these judicial and legal rats get their hooks into the system they fight to keep each other in power.

Shuffling all these guys around just makes it harder to get a prosecution as they need to get up to speed and most lack the will.

jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 07:52:59 PM
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=%22hans+mos%2C+hoofdofficier+van+justitie%22&btnG=Zoeken&meta=

hans mos, hoofdofficier van justitie

head public prosecutor

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=%22dop+kruimel%22+persofficier+aruba&btnG=Zoeken&meta=

dop kruimel, persofficier

press public prosecutor.

they've got 4 public prosecutors on aruba.
including 1 head, 1 press.

by the way, in this article Rudy Croes is denying that the OM overspend their budget:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42099.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 08:00:29 PM
We were told when KJ was there that the AG and her bosses would not allow her to speak. She gave a interview early on and that was about it,after a short time she stopped communicating with the Family. Beth says it was after her and jug were questioning how the the blood turned into chocolate in Deepak's car. As you know they then hired a attorney for better communications with the OM.  If you google interviews with her and Van Der Straten you will find very little and you won't find even one with Dennis Jacobs.

They said that thing's were different with the new team and Mos and that they were gonna communicate more with the Family and Media. All they did was put up a hired gun to BS everyone and to protect there precious tourism and cover up. When has Mos ever commented on the ridiculous blunders by Paul's friends that killed Natalee's chance at justice? They will continue to make attempts to end this without ever prosecuting anyone or revealing the truth and drag it out as long as possible in hopes everyone moves on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 08:08:54 PM
In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is the AG or Prosecution spokesperson(Mos) is, the result will be the same. The "Thorazine" society just doesn't care. They did wake from their slumber to bitch they weren't being paid enough, but it's back to sleep now.

I think it does serve notice to Holland that their justice system is in need of an overhaul. Top to bottom. Once some of these judicial and legal rats get their hooks into the system they fight to keep each other in power.

Shuffling all these guys around just makes it harder to get a prosecution as they need to get up to speed and most lack the will.

jmo

you are totally right.

all those fancy names don't help a bit.
there is even the position "super procureur general"
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland)

but i think the netherlands is really scared to get all these old cows out of the ditch.
all kinds of scandals might get exposed.
most of them related to the dutch colonial past.
the PG revolt i mentioned earlier is also connected to Rolph Gonzalves.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolph_Gonsalves

he was "vice-super PG" at that time. he supposedly killed of ordered the killing of many indigenous people in Irian Jaya - a former colony of the netherlands.

and this PG revolt possibly connected to Desi Bouterse (surinam drugs cartels / december murders).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_murders
many colonial scandals still unexposed it seems...

the trust in the dutch legal system is already low due to many mistrials or wrongfull convictions (some later corrected).
there are also very presistent rumours that the head of the dutch justice department (secretary general Joris Demmink) is a child molester / pedo.
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=demmink+pedo&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=
if all those scandals get exposed the trust in the legal system will hit rock bottom.

so maybe the strategy is not to expose these fo the sake of the continuation of the justice system.
because of every single ruling (also the non disputable rulings) get questioned the entire rule of law system is undermined.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
clean it up before the whole system collapses on itself i think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
i messed up the internetlink i previous post.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland)

Super-PG

super useless IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
i messed up the internetlink i previous post.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland)

Super-PG

super useless IMO

 ::MonkeyEek::
due to bracket link doesn't work. sorry.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland) (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_van_procureurs-generaal_(Nederland))


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 08:19:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

snip

it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47

Caesu,
I've read many things about the Steenhuis appointment.  If I remember correctly, one of the items stated that he would only remain in the position until December; because he would then be 65 years old.  At that age he would be required to step down from what I understood.  Is that correct?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 08:24:18 PM
I think this was a interesting story today. It would be even more interesting if that station wagon was yellow like what Junior saw at the dump with the red jeep. I know PVDS poured concrete after Natalee dissapeared but where? Was it a smokescreen for work at the house? ..Would he be that brazen to bury a murdered girl in his back yard? Or was the concrete poured for other reasons or somewhere else?

Snip
colombiano owing to help cu cement

in the carta here, the person is write at dutch cu the night of 30 half 2005 for 3’or of madruga, the was on beach after of owing to happen in quarrel with his friend, hour cu past owing to hear cry of one muher. the is write cu past owing to see joran much good is gritando name of the child, but the muher blond not was reacciona more. beach had none another person more.

according the such maria here, tanto the father and joran owing to cuminza quarrel the instant ey. the not owing to see they calling telephone, but some rato after one another man owing to arrive cu one stationwagon, and after they owing to take away the child muher for car of the father, and joran owing to march bay sea for wash his shoe debi cu they was at blood. they owing to place the curpa part behind car, y the another man owing to follow they slow. so they owing to bandona the lugar.

according maria, the is assure cu natalee not owing to worde throw in sea, but is bury on territory of house of joran. the is relata one storia of his friend


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 10, 2008, 08:29:12 PM
Hey!...Sweaty Running Man...and see-through-blouse-cow....maybe you should plan your *last* pool party....ya might not have one soon....also...how long do you think it will take your drug riddled *spawn*...to completely crack......

Klaas....do we have a *family* photo to go with this post?

TIA....Destiny
Destiny Here is one that is also gross
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/The%20VDS%20Home/capta87b92480ed84807b7dgx3.jpg)

Not at the moment, I'm sort of out of sorts with the computers at the moment ...sorry  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 10, 2008, 08:35:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

snip

it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47

Caesu,
I've read many things about the Steenhuis appointment.  If I remember correctly, one of the items stated that he would only remain in the position until December; because he would then be 65 years old.  At that age he would be required to step down from what I understood.  Is that correct?

that's what i read too.
i didn't know there was that requirement.
especially because the dutch government encourages the public to work longer.

Steenhuis becomes 65 on december 12th.

so then Rudy Croes has to come up with another PG.
but i remind that Steenhuis first has to be confirmed by the kingdom cabinet.
they convene every 3 weeks. Nico Jörg leaves July 1st, so Rudy Croes is quite late with nominating Steenhuis.
23rd of May and 13rd op June there are kingdom cabinet meetings.
but i don't think the confirmation will be problem.
Hirsch Ballin won't have objections and he is of the same party as PM Balkenende.
only if the media would cover this extensively it might be different.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 08:41:58 PM
Thanks Caesu!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on May 10, 2008, 10:08:08 PM
Hiya Monkeys

Destiny, how's this????  ::MonkeyLaugh::
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/yapperz1/sloottrio.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 10:21:41 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 10:29:57 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye


::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 10, 2008, 10:30:30 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

roflmfao, *******, i can tell you're all broken up over being evicted from the big "D"'s msn. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: San on May 10, 2008, 10:35:42 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

He writes pretty good english.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 10, 2008, 10:35:45 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye
I guess that just leaves his inflatable doll on his "list".  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 10, 2008, 10:36:17 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

I had no idea that hell was blue. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: San on May 10, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

I had no idea that hell was blue. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Lala's where is your avatar.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 10, 2008, 10:38:52 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye
I guess that just leaves his inflatable doll on his "list".  ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 10:46:30 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 10, 2008, 10:48:23 PM
O/T Hope everyone is paying attention to the weather in their areas, this is horrible:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354900,00.html

Tornadoes Tear Across Southern Plains, Killing 10
Saturday , May 10, 2008




 PICHER, Okla. —

Authorities say at least 10 people are dead in Missouri and Oklahoma after severe weather that included tornadoes.

Oklahoma Emergency Management spokeswoman Michelann Ooten says six people died Saturday in Picher. She says the death toll could go higher.

She says the tornado caused major damage in a 20-block area.

The National Weather Service says three people died after a tornado near Seneca in southwestern Missouri. Meteorologist Bill Davis says a fourth person died near Carthage.

Storms also caused damage in parts of Arkansas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 10:53:42 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

roflmfao, *******, i can tell you're all broken up over being evicted from the big "D"'s msn. 
dennisintn

I am devastated  ::MonkeyWink:: I tried to be open and honest about who I was and not a total stranger hiding who they were to get information. Apparently he doesn't read here so I provided our link..So if you see a new Aruban on the site meter it may be him  ::MonkeyWink:: I didn't expect him to talk to me as he is a coward,nor did I expect him to know my blog name. I had no intentions of grilling him with questions..Just wanted him to have a chance to talk.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/deepickle.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ocgirl on May 10, 2008, 11:01:12 PM
Geesh....*******....sounds like the "D-ster" is a bit paranoid.....wonder why that is???   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 10, 2008, 11:08:34 PM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

I had no idea that hell was blue. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Lala's where is your avatar.

OMG!!! My clothes are gone!!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2008, 11:53:54 PM
Americans aren't the only ones begging the queen and the dutch governement to do something about the cover up's,human rights violations and the corruption within the Aruban Govt.

From:  tromp13carlos
Age: 55
Country: Netherlands

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 1)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAp1QA3ylw

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 2)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QJ_iNMM2c

Aruba ( open letter to Queen Beatrix part 3)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-OsnGThuo






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 11, 2008, 12:11:26 AM
KLass....hope u are feeling much better!
 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 12:17:04 AM
We have all seen the website http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/ and this guy has done a ton of research on the corruption in Aruba.

My open letter to Beth Twitty (In Dutch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWo6YeytdNE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 12:34:37 AM
March 14, 2007 
This is a video of my daughter, Sarah, she is 11 years old.
Her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) left Aruba with her on feb. 12, 2007 (without my knowledge)and has not been allowed to contact me at all. It has been ONE YEAR without my daughter. They are somewhere in the U.S.

Sarah Ferro missing child from ARUBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTEEMg5JBrw&NR=1

 Added:  April 22, 2007  (Less info)
Video pictures of my daughter Sarah. It has been ONE YEAR now and I haven't got news from her of her father. Please if you have seen Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro the guitar player fom Venezuela. They are somewhere in the U.S.
Please e mail: busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
011 (297) 592.55.41

Sarah Ferro missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqII_YGtnPM&feature=related

===============================
Ernesto Ferro in T-on-T
February 23, 2008 
Special on Ernesto Ferro and his tribute to Queen, October 2005, as featured in T-on-T, presented by Tabitha Fecunda and produced by Henk van der Weide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_ueyB4n5A&NR=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 12:40:19 AM
Hiya Monkeys

Destiny, how's this????  ::MonkeyLaugh::
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/yapperz1/sloottrio.jpg)

Blondes' was good...but this one has the perfect...eeeeewwwwwwwwww.....factor.......sweaty running man....see-thru-blouse-cow...and...drug riddeled spawn....great Family Photo!

Thank You!.....

Destiny ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 12:47:25 AM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye
I guess that just leaves his inflatable doll on his "list".  ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh...puleeeze...tell me how to get on his list......I can *play* real good...looking for young sexy photo on line to use as *my* photo.....ooooohhhhhhhhhh....baby...I want you......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 12:50:47 AM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

roflmfao, *******, i can tell you're all broken up over being evicted from the big "D"'s msn. 
dennisintn

I am devastated  ::MonkeyWink:: I tried to be open and honest about who I was and not a total stranger hiding who they were to get information. Apparently he doesn't read here so I provided our link..So if you see a new Aruban on the site meter it may be him  ::MonkeyWink:: I didn't expect him to talk to me as he is a coward,nor did I expect him to know my blog name. I had no intentions of grilling him with questions..Just wanted him to have a chance to talk.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/deepickle.jpg)



I think....he's feeling some *heat*....from somewhere.....ain't it sweet....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 12:53:12 AM
Hiya Monkeys

Destiny, how's this????  ::MonkeyLaugh::
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/yapperz1/sloottrio.jpg)

Blondes' was good...but this one has the perfect...eeeeewwwwwwwwww.....factor.......sweaty running man....see-thru-blouse-cow...and...drug riddeled spawn....great Family Photo!

Thank You!.....

Destiny ;-)

Someone with beter eyes...please tell me...is sweaty running mans' fly open...again????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 12:55:51 AM
March 14, 2007 
This is a video of my daughter, Sarah, she is 11 years old.
Her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) left Aruba with her on feb. 12, 2007 (without my knowledge)and has not been allowed to contact me at all. It has been ONE YEAR without my daughter. They are somewhere in the U.S.

Sarah Ferro missing child from ARUBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTEEMg5JBrw&NR=1

 Added:  April 22, 2007  (Less info)
Video pictures of my daughter Sarah. It has been ONE YEAR now and I haven't got news from her of her father. Please if you have seen Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro the guitar player fom Venezuela. They are somewhere in the U.S.
Please e mail: busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
011 (297) 592.55.41

Sarah Ferro missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqII_YGtnPM&feature=related

===============================
Ernesto Ferro in T-on-T
February 23, 2008 
Special on Ernesto Ferro and his tribute to Queen, October 2005, as featured in T-on-T, presented by Tabitha Fecunda and produced by Henk van der Weide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo_ueyB4n5A&NR=1

I'm on it...like white on rice.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 12:57:19 AM
Strange video considering he is saying Sarah is safe,but he showing a boat, a cliff and the ocean but not the girl.  ::MonkeyConfused::

sarahissafe
Joined: May 01, 2008

Sarah Ferro IS NOT missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkyYzSUnjs

 This is incorrect and not fact. The videos are made to create scandal and defamation of character. The videos are concocted and produced to portray this person in the wrong light. Mr. Ferro has been divorced from this woman for 6 years and also has court granted custody of his daughter from the Arubian courts.
Age: 44
Country: Venezuela


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 01:01:13 AM
O/T Hope everyone is paying attention to the weather in their areas, this is horrible:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354900,00.html

Tornadoes Tear Across Southern Plains, Killing 10
Saturday , May 10, 2008




 PICHER, Okla. —

Authorities say at least 10 people are dead in Missouri and Oklahoma after severe weather that included tornadoes.

Oklahoma Emergency Management spokeswoman Michelann Ooten says six people died Saturday in Picher. She says the death toll could go higher.

She says the tornado caused major damage in a 20-block area.

The National Weather Service says three people died after a tornado near Seneca in southwestern Missouri. Meteorologist Bill Davis says a fourth person died near Carthage.

Storms also caused damage in parts of Arkansas


TY Klass....it's gonna hit me in the early AM Sunday....just filled generators with gas for both home and business......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 01:03:26 AM
Strange video considering he is saying Sarah is safe,but he showing a boat, a cliff and the ocean but not the girl.  ::MonkeyConfused::

sarahissafe
Joined: May 01, 2008

Sarah Ferro IS NOT missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkyYzSUnjs

 This is incorrect and not fact. The videos are made to create scandal and defamation of character. The videos are concocted and produced to portray this person in the wrong light. Mr. Ferro has been divorced from this woman for 6 years and also has court granted custody of his daughter from the Arubian courts.
Age: 44
Country: Venezuela

Whaaaaaaaa?????? Tell Me more....don't want to start making calls on false info......TIA....Des


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 01:10:52 AM
Strange video considering he is saying Sarah is safe,but he showing a boat, a cliff and the ocean but not the girl.  ::MonkeyConfused::

sarahissafe
Joined: May 01, 2008

Sarah Ferro IS NOT missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkyYzSUnjs

 This is incorrect and not fact. The videos are made to create scandal and defamation of character. The videos are concocted and produced to portray this person in the wrong light. Mr. Ferro has been divorced from this woman for 6 years and also has court granted custody of his daughter from the Arubian courts.
Age: 44
Country: Venezuela

Whaaaaaaaa?????? Tell Me more....don't want to start making calls on false info......TIA....Des

It sounds like the Dad ran off with her from Aruba.


missingsarah
Joined: March 04, 2007
Last Login: 1 week ago
Videos Watched: 85
Subscribers: 1
Channel Views: 1,056
Since February 12th 2007 my daughter Sarah vanished with her father, who took her out of Aruba without my knowledge. I pledge to anyone that know about their whereabouts to please contact me with any information. It has been 1 YEAR WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER, she has not been allowed to call me and no information about her whereabouts or contact information have been provided by her father who is concealing my daughter. I went to pick my daughter up at school that tuesday as usual, and I found she was not there. The school did not have information about why she was absent. No one had a clue of their whereabouts. PLEASE if you have any information about my daughter Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) please e- mail:
busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
or call me:
(011)297-592-5541

Many Thanks,
A mother.

Here you can see the report in the local paper:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/20 07/2/17/
Country: Aruba



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 01:15:46 AM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye

I had no idea that hell was blue. ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Lala's where is your avatar.

OMG!!! My clothes are gone!!   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

Naughty...naughty Lala's....almost slutty...*if* we didn't know you better.....Lala's YOU Rock!..... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 01:33:00 AM
Strange video considering he is saying Sarah is safe,but he showing a boat, a cliff and the ocean but not the girl.  ::MonkeyConfused::

sarahissafe
Joined: May 01, 2008

Sarah Ferro IS NOT missing child from Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkyYzSUnjs

 This is incorrect and not fact. The videos are made to create scandal and defamation of character. The videos are concocted and produced to portray this person in the wrong light. Mr. Ferro has been divorced from this woman for 6 years and also has court granted custody of his daughter from the Arubian courts.
Age: 44
Country: Venezuela

Whaaaaaaaa?????? Tell Me more....don't want to start making calls on false info......TIA....Des

It sounds like the Dad ran off with her from Aruba.


missingsarah
Joined: March 04, 2007
Last Login: 1 week ago
Videos Watched: 85
Subscribers: 1
Channel Views: 1,056
Since February 12th 2007 my daughter Sarah vanished with her father, who took her out of Aruba without my knowledge. I pledge to anyone that know about their whereabouts to please contact me with any information. It has been 1 YEAR WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER, she has not been allowed to call me and no information about her whereabouts or contact information have been provided by her father who is concealing my daughter. I went to pick my daughter up at school that tuesday as usual, and I found she was not there. The school did not have information about why she was absent. No one had a clue of their whereabouts. PLEASE if you have any information about my daughter Sarah or her father Ernesto Ferro (the guitar player from Venezuela) please e- mail:
busco_a_sarah@yahoo.com
or call me:
(011)297-592-5541

Many Thanks,
A mother.

Here you can see the report in the local paper:
http://www.diario-aruba.com/20 07/2/17/
Country: Aruba



Dads' MySpace...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=198675145


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 11, 2008, 04:27:45 AM
(http://ernestoferro.com/images/stories/4.jpg)
Ernesto and his daughter Sarah with Paul Rodgers of Queen

http://ernestoferro.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 11, 2008, 04:44:56 AM
Americans aren't the only ones begging the queen and the dutch governement to do something about the cover up's,human rights violations and the corruption within the Aruban Govt.

From:  tromp13carlos
Age: 55
Country: Netherlands

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 1)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAp1QA3ylw

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 2)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QJ_iNMM2c

Aruba ( open letter to Queen Beatrix part 3)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-OsnGThuo






this person is really mad at Aruba and the Dutch not helping.
but i think by playing the anthem and stepping on the flag people might turn away from him.
i would support him though.
if i am treated like how he and Beth are treated i might have done much worse things whom i have to regret.

i wonder how many more people are victims from this corrupt justice system and haven't or cannot speak out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 11, 2008, 07:53:03 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/) 


it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

It is outrageous Caesu!! :( They needed someone who was dirty and corrupt so they would fit right in.

Yes he will act as the Prosecutor General until the end of the year  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I don't know what Mos's title is..I know he doesnt have KJ's job as Chief Prosecuter as that is Dop Kumiel. He isn't the AG either,He's like the head of the OM and the head BS PR spokesperson for that part of the Govt. He described himself like a Director(Manager)of the OM.
Thanks *******
I am so confused about the prosecutors on aruba.We have OM's,PM's,AG's and PR's. ::MonkeyConfused::
So Mos is being replaced because his time is up or because he didn't go over too well as the PR spokesperson for aruba lol
When is Dop's time up?
I would like to know who in the prosecutors office will be going to court with this case IF it ever goes to court.I would also like to know how long the terms are for all within the prosecutors office.Maybe our Dutch Monkeys know this and will post it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 11, 2008, 07:57:55 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.



it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.
the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47
Thank you Caesu.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 11, 2008, 08:06:41 AM
We were told when KJ was there that the AG and her bosses would not allow her to speak. She gave a interview early on and that was about it,after a short time she stopped communicating with the Family. Beth says it was after her and jug were questioning how the the blood turned into chocolate in Deepak's car. As you know they then hired a attorney for better communications with the OM.  If you google interviews with her and Van Der Straten you will find very little and you won't find even one with Dennis Jacobs.

They said that thing's were different with the new team and Mos and that they were gonna communicate more with the Family and Media. All they did was put up a hired gun to BS everyone and to protect there precious tourism and cover up. When has Mos ever commented on the ridiculous blunders by Paul's friends that killed Natalee's chance at justice? They will continue to make attempts to end this without ever prosecuting anyone or revealing the truth and drag it out as long as possible in hopes everyone moves on.
Exactly! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 11, 2008, 08:17:42 AM
Well Deepak finally responded on my MSN  ::MonkeyHaHa::
--------------------------

Deepak sent 5/9/2008 8:40 PM:
I dont even know who in the blue hell you are and what you are doing in my list , but I dont know any observers so you are removed , so bye bye
::MonkeyLaugh::
I'll bet deepak's hell is not blue,I'll bet his hell is firey red and hot!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 11, 2008, 09:04:58 AM
We have all seen the website http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/ and this guy has done a ton of research on the corruption in Aruba.

My open letter to Beth Twitty (In Dutch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWo6YeytdNE
That is very interesting.Isn't Tromp the name of the guy missing on aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2008, 09:12:12 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 11, 2008, 09:36:26 AM
RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

Bearly....when it comes to that group...I use a commercial grade spray painter...swhoosh....

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh, I thought some of our posters sometimes posted there, on Nat's side, of course. 

And I only said tried, not that I was good at it.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 11, 2008, 10:09:11 AM
To All the Mother's of SM and Guest's reading here:


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 11, 2008, 10:14:48 AM
To All the Mother's of SM and Guest's reading here:


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Awwww,thank you Pita and Rob.
Happy Mama's Day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2008, 11:06:55 AM
Thanks Rob and Pita!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 11, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
Thanks Rob and Pita!

HAPPY MOTHERS' DAY TO ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2008, 12:00:05 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2008, 12:06:32 PM
We have all seen the website http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/ and this guy has done a ton of research on the corruption in Aruba.

My open letter to Beth Twitty (In Dutch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWo6YeytdNE
That is very interesting.Isn't Tromp the name of the guy missing on aruba?

Yes, his name is Tromp, but there are a LOT of Tromp's so I'm not sure if he is related to him or not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 11, 2008, 01:38:52 PM
Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

I am sorry to hear about your daughter, Casa.  I hope she is much stronger now.

Thank you!  She is doing much better!

Casa, sorry to hear about your daughter!! Hope she is doing much better!!

Klaas, so glad you are doing better too!!

Had no idea you smoked!! Glad you are quitting...keep it up!! I have to quit too one of these days!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 11, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas, don't try to have a battle of the wits with unarmed people.

If they do make you sick, I will go unplug them myself...

 :smt021

Klaas, am I rubbing off on you??!! lol Usually me ranting and raving about the RU azzes!! Glad to see I am not the only one they get to!!! lol

Chuckie rat had to put in his 2 cents worth I see...what a loser!!! Glad to see you got under his skin though!!! Always a plus!!!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 11, 2008, 01:56:40 PM
RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

I vote sick AND stupid.
What always amazes me though is the level of jealousy the women there feel about Beth!!!
How in the hey do you feel jealous of a woman who lost her only daughter?
Sick AND stupid!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 11, 2008, 02:01:01 PM
If someone were to make a caricature of Joran, what would it look like?

To make him anonymous, just change those features that would be used in a caricature.  He is no longer the Joran that people remember.

Add a new name, new location, and maybe he will stay hidden or out of the public eye.

Hmm how about Joren Stein?  ::MonkeyCool:: I suppose not..People would recognize him  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1439/joransteinna5.b72fef6719.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=263&i=joransteinna5.jpg)

Did you change something??...see no difference. sorry  ::MonkeyNoNo::

lol AZ!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 11, 2008, 02:03:35 PM
Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa - somehow you make me feel guilty for working on cleaning out my computer desk (that needs to be dismantled this weekend due to construction work in this area) and not responding to your post.

I cannot do what I need to do right now in this house with everything going on and watch and respond to all messages.  I'm very sorry if you felt ignored but it was not intentional.

GET BACK TO BED!!!!
You are supposed to be resting, not cleaning!!! :gaah:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 11, 2008, 02:05:33 PM
Need to run pick up some food and go over to the inlaws to eat.  Will be back in an hour or so.

Note to Heli at RU:  I know it's not necessary for me to announce this stuff but I choose to let people know why I'm not responding to them if they ask me a question.  So take that and shove it up your A**

 ::MonkeyCool::


roflmfao, that deserves playing again. 
dennisintn

Klaas still has her spunk!!! Give 'em hell klaas!!!
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 03:30:44 PM
Booshi Wever wants to see his name cleared

ORANJESTAD -- Minister Candelario (Booshi) Wever claimed damages in a lawsuit yesterday.  He did this because he says that his reputation is tarnished with the statements in an article in Diario.  He was called a desgraciado in that article that was published on April 15.   

The minister says that ‘desgraciado’ is one of the worst insults in Papiamento.  That word is translated as ‘unhappy’ in the Diccionario Avanza of Jossy M. Mansur (also director of Diario), but in the normal linguistic usage, the meaning is much stronger and very offensive.  The article also insinuates that the minister is the owner of a brothel in Venezuela and that Wever’s days are numbered and that he will feel the Colombian Community breathing down his neck.  That is actually the reason why the minister instituted the lawsuit to demand a rectification from Diario.   

Apart from a rectification, Wever’s lawyer Anthony Ruiz of lawyers’ firm Croes, Tschong, and Wever demanded a penalty of 100.000 florins imposed on a daily basis in case of non-compliance, and 50.000 florins in damages.

Reason for the article is a nasty incident around the performance of the famous Colombian singer Alci Acosta in Aruba, which didn’t take place due to a provisional work permit that was denied.  Lawyer Milko Baiz of lawyers’ firm Gomez and Bikker told the judge that an Aruban radio station organized a spontaneous action afterwards to honour Acosta with a plaquette to express the Aruban Community’s appreciation for Acosta as artist.

Acosta did come to Aruba on the days of the concert, but not as an artist, but a tourist.  After he was presented with the plaquette in the presence of the public, he thanked the people by singing a few songs.  When he wanted to leave the next day, immigration refused to give him permission to leave Aruba.  He was forced to stay two more days in Aruba.  Baiz says the article must be considered as the anger expressed by the public.  “The Immigration Service confirmed to Diario on the phone that the order to keep Acosta longer in Aruba came from Minister Wever, which caused the sharp words in the article, but according to my client, whatever the paper said is part of the freedom of press.”

Wever denied in court yesterday that he had anything to do with the forced extended stay of Acosta.  He explained that the Immigration Service can take such measures in case of irregularities during a stay.  The performance of Acosta without a permit was investigated during the two days that the artist was forced to stay on the island.  The judge gives verdict on May 28.

Amigoe.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 11, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
To all Mommy Monkeys

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!

Janet
12:45 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 11, 2008, 03:49:26 PM
To all Mommy Monkeys

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!

Janet
12:45 PM

Thank you Janet!  And Happy Mother's Day to you too!  :flower:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: NM on May 11, 2008, 06:16:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (http://www.amigoe.com/english/)   05/08/2008

Controversial PG in Aruba

ORANJESTAD – To set off the departure of attorney general and acting procurator general (PG) Nico Jörg, Dato Willem Steenhuis will be temporarily appointed as PG of Aruba, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes yesterday.

Steenhuis was member of the college of procurator generals of the Netherlands from 1992 till 2006, when he retired.   He got himself talked about at numerous occasions during his career.  He was accused of conflict of interest in 1998.  He was as PG responsible for the Leeuwarden jurisdiction, which also includes Groningen.  During the administrative crisis in this city after the riots in Oosterpark, the consultancy Bakkenist was commissioned to investigate the disturbed relations between city council, police, and the OM.  From the results of this investigation it appeared that Steenhuis was on the payroll of Bakkenist as advisor.  He was reprimanded for this and transferred to the Arnhem jurisdiction.

Right before he retired in 2006, Steenhuis became the talk of the town again, when his driver certified that every week the PG was ordering him to drive him from his domicile to his work at a speed of 140 kilometers per hour and with rotating lights over the hard shoulder.   The case came to light when justice received a few reporting of dangerous driving conduct by a blacked out Mercedes with driver.

The driver was imposed a fine of 180 euro, after which one of the motorists that reported the dangerous driving conduct, went to court.

The Court said that there is no evidence that Steenhuis was actually in the car.  From investigation it appeared that Steenhuis’ wife was in the car during one of the ‘wild’ rides.  The majority of the Dutch parliament was of the opinion though that Steenhuis had to take the honourable way out.  He retired a few months later.

The Council of Ministers for the Kingdom will have to approve the decision for the appointment of Steenhuis, but this is just a formality.  Croes says that Steenhuis will come on July 1, before Jörg leaves.  He will stay till the end of the year; he cannot stay longer, because he will then turn 65 and according to the Aruban legislation, a PG must retire at that age.  The minister says that based on subsection 4 of section 65 of the Cooperation rule between Aruba and the Neth.Antilles, appointing a temporary PG or so-called ‘failing PG’ is possible.   

It appears that with the appointment of Steenhuis, the government still has no definite solution for the labour dispute with PG Theresa Croes Fernandes, who is at home on sick-leave since January.  According to minister Croes, Croes Fernandes can still choose between ‘either go back to work or retire”.  The minister didn’t go into details about his announced appeal against the PG, after the administrative judge ruled in her favour in the lawsuit in July and also in the standard procedure in November.  This case is discussed again in the Ministerial Cooperation Council, which takes place again next week.

The minister also said that three serious candidates have applied for the vacancy for attorney general; two are from Aruba and one from the Netherlands.  The latter is the vice-presiding judge in The Hague.  We don’t know exactly who this person is, because the vice-presidency is interchangeable and according to the spokesperson of the court, 79 judges can take that position.  The selection procedure is currently put on ‘hold’, awaiting the arrival of the interim PG. 

One of the first tasks Steenhuis is going to get is to determine the wage indexing of the OM.  There is controversy on this for a long time already, especially when the Antillean government increased the wages of the members of the Joint Court of Justice and the Public Prosecutor in January of last year.  Steenhuis will also have to work on improving the industrial processes.  He has experience, because he has been the chairman of the Central Judicial Collection Bureau; he has introduced the ‘criminal industry’ conception in 1984.



it is really outrageous that Rudy nominate Steenhuis for PG.

i posted about it on page 1 of this thread.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.msg380142#msg380142
So Steenhuis is replacing Nico Jorg and not Mos.....is that correct?

that's correct.
Hans Mos probably stays on as public prosector until 2009.
if Steenhuis gets confirmed by the kingdom cabinet he will be procureur general (sometimes translated attorney general) until 2009.
the kingdoms cabinet convenes every 3 weeks.

Hirsch Ballin (the dutch justice minister) and Rudy Croes are thankful towards Dato Steenhuis i presume for causing Docters van Leeuwen, the head of the board of procureur generals, to be fired in 1998.
Steenhuis at that time was procureur general of Leeuwarden and was transferred to Arnhem - but not fired.

Docters van Leeuwen wanted to clean up the Aruban justice department and get Desi Bouters (military dictator of Surinam and responsible for the december murders in 1982 and head of Surinam drugs cartel) extradited from Brasil to The Netherlands.

Steenhuis together with Tom van Daalen headed the post-IRT-commission in 2000 examining if the dutch justice department improved after the IRT-scandal.

van Daalen became procureur general of Aruba in 1997 after procureur general Jan van Zwinkels was fired in 1996 by Aruba.
because a dutch commission De Ruiter enquired the Cargo-scandal, which is a scandal simular to IRT-scandal but then for Aruba.
De Ruiter-commission advised to fire van Zwinkels and everybody in high positions of the Aruban police force.
van Zwinkels accused the Aruban government of contacts with Colombian drugs cartels.
the Aruban government meanwhile accused van Zwinkels of simular things.

a year later, in 1998, van Daalen got Steenhuis old job as procureur generaal of Leeuwarden.

http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_1998/552/554/
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/opportuun_archief/om_magazine_2001/735/736/
http://www.groene.nl/1996/49/Braaf_aruba
http://www.groene.nl/1996/39/De_aruba-affaire
http://www.groene.nl/1996/48/Een_tikkeltje_te_wild_amigo
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/IRTvervolg/inhoud.html
http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Lab/Om/inhoud.html
http://www.rvdj.nl/1998/47
Ms Marples Thank you for posting this.
Caesu thank you for this and the info on DVLeeuwen, and all the info you post. Very interesting stuff.

Why/How can you hire someone just for 6mo.? What is the point! Who does this stuff! 6 months!

Klaas love you, glad you're back!  Also, as always thanks for letting us know when you are out,

FU to heli



Happy Mothers Day!

If anyone can please say some prayers and/or positive thoughts to a very young puppy who is sick and needs to recover.  He's only about 4 months old.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 06:48:14 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: NM on May 11, 2008, 07:09:51 PM
Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.



Hi Rob,I havent seen a definite cartel but they are known to associate with The Cuntrera-Caruana Cartel(Italy and Canada) and Cali Cartel(Colombia). Whatever the name the Mansur Family is involved with  it's probably out of Venezuela.

I'm not so sure. Wever, the one that got busted with the drugs and the 250k, was in Venezuela. Right???

I'm wondering how this got all got caught up in the real gears of justice when others have skated. Venezuela and Chavez seems to provide the cover that most of the narco-traffickers need. I think this group is most likely linked to Colombia. in my opinion anyway

I spelled Colombia right that time. I always spell it Columbia and kick myself afterward. ::MonkeyHaHa::

They were caught funneling 500,000 or more to the Cali Cartel in the Colombian elections so it very well could be. For over 50 years the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company also smuggled cigarettes into Colombia and they are directly linked to Money Laundering with Colombia(Lopesierra). The Mansur Family was mentioned by President Clinton and others as being major Drug traffickers,Gun Traffickers and Money launderers and they are very large. Quite a few drug traffickers in the 90's that were caught in Miami specifcly mentioned the Mansur Family. Luis Mansur was just nailed with over a Million dollars as well as that 600 kilos he probably financed. I think he fired a gun when the officers arrested him and I bet the have the goods on Money Laundering also. Yes Booshi/Caldelerio Wever was nailed big in Venezuela with cocaine but bought his freedom with 250k.

In this case I see possible links with Canada,Italy,American and Colombian Cartels. All of which are represented by the two Cartels I mentioned above. Then we have the Mob out of Chicago which could very well be working with that same Sicilian Mob the Cuntrera-Caruana as they owned the Holiday Inn before Posner bought it in 1998. As you know Posner's Mob and most of the other Mobs from Chicago are Italian. That same Cartel is also linked to Rudy and Hendrik Croes.

That is why I was interested to learn that Guido Wever may have fled to Canada after Natalee dissapeared. That is where Cuntera-Caruna based there operations besides Italy. There are also other pro-joran supporters from Canada and also that cartoonist. All of them seem to have Italian heritage.
I just want to bump this forward.
******* you've got some great knowledge, thanks for this post!

Isn't this great so many of us would never have known any of this if aurab would have just solved this easy case of Natalee Holloway in the first 48 hours.
None of us would be reading there news papers and posting about gov't officials busted in S.A. with large amounts of drugs, brothels, rapes, money laundering, etc. Mob connections in Canada, etc.
Heck, I didn't even know there were Italians north of NY  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 11, 2008, 07:37:50 PM
Hey *******, have you ever seen a Luis Mansur's name affiliated with any one particular cartel? I sure haven't and I'm wondering why.

Clearly they moved 600 kilos in that article or made preparations to move the drugs. There were several people busted and I doubt this is it's own cartel. They have to work with others. And if they are moving cocaine from Venezuela they are a part of something larger.



Hi Rob,I havent seen a definite cartel but they are known to associate with The Cuntrera-Caruana Cartel(Italy and Canada) and Cali Cartel(Colombia). Whatever the name the Mansur Family is involved with  it's probably out of Venezuela.

I'm not so sure. Wever, the one that got busted with the drugs and the 250k, was in Venezuela. Right???

I'm wondering how this got all got caught up in the real gears of justice when others have skated. Venezuela and Chavez seems to provide the cover that most of the narco-traffickers need. I think this group is most likely linked to Colombia. in my opinion anyway

I spelled Colombia right that time. I always spell it Columbia and kick myself afterward. ::MonkeyHaHa::

They were caught funneling 500,000 or more to the Cali Cartel in the Colombian elections so it very well could be. For over 50 years the Mansur Free Zone Trading Company also smuggled cigarettes into Colombia and they are directly linked to Money Laundering with Colombia(Lopesierra). The Mansur Family was mentioned by President Clinton and others as being major Drug traffickers,Gun Traffickers and Money launderers and they are very large. Quite a few drug traffickers in the 90's that were caught in Miami specifcly mentioned the Mansur Family. Luis Mansur was just nailed with over a Million dollars as well as that 600 kilos he probably financed. I think he fired a gun when the officers arrested him and I bet the have the goods on Money Laundering also. Yes Booshi/Caldelerio Wever was nailed big in Venezuela with cocaine but bought his freedom with 250k.

In this case I see possible links with Canada,Italy,American and Colombian Cartels. All of which are represented by the two Cartels I mentioned above. Then we have the Mob out of Chicago which could very well be working with that same Sicilian Mob the Cuntrera-Caruana as they owned the Holiday Inn before Posner bought it in 1998. As you know Posner's Mob and most of the other Mobs from Chicago are Italian. That same Cartel is also linked to Rudy and Hendrik Croes.

That is why I was interested to learn that Guido Wever may have fled to Canada after Natalee dissapeared. That is where Cuntera-Caruna based there operations besides Italy. There are also other pro-joran supporters from Canada and also that cartoonist. All of them seem to have Italian heritage.
I just want to bump this forward.
******* you've got some great knowledge, thanks for this post!

Isn't this great so many of us would never have known any of this if aurab would have just solved this easy case of Natalee Holloway in the first 48 hours.
None of us would be reading there news papers and posting about gov't officials busted in S.A. with large amounts of drugs, brothels, rapes, money laundering, etc. Mob connections in Canada, etc.
Heck, I didn't even know there were Italians north of NY  ::MonkeyWink::

this is important stuff.
i still have more to read about this.
some members of the Mansur family were extradited to the US in the 90s.
this was after the IRT-affair and around the time of the Cargo-affair / De Ruiter commission.
but before the Steenhuis-troubles which led to the firing of Super-PG Docters van Leeuwen.
Rolph Gonzalves (http://www.inghist.nl/Onderzoek/Projecten/Nederlands-indonesischeBetrekkingen1950-1963/documenten?clear=1&trefwoord_id=1777) was vice-Super-PG at the time. he killed or ordered killings of Dani tribes in the Baliem Valley on New Guinea - Papua - Indonesia.

the following article has been mentioned before:
Quote
The US is concerned about credible reports that some members of the Aruban government met regularly with individuals associated with drug trafficking and money laundering syndicates. In spite of, or perhaps because of, the denials by Aruba officials, the US remains convinced that entrenched money laundering organizations direct large cash deposits into land development and other construction projects on the island. (3) The Netherlands is equally worried. "I think we are going to loose it on Aruba," Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, the Dutch Attorney General, said about the counter-narcotics efforts on the island. Aruba is in the hands of some powerful families and Holland can't do anything about it, due to constitutional restraints. (4)

The reasons for Docters' pessimism were revealed when a confidential report on the Aruban Security Service – the Veiligheidsdienst Aruba (VDA) – leaked in the Dutch press. In October 1994 its director Martien Ras had sounded the alarm-bell. He had written to Docters, then chief of the Dutch security service, that democratically elected officials promoted the interests of private business-men to such an extent that Aruba's democratic institutions were in danger.
(5)
Quote
Aruba's Attorney General at the time, the Dutchman Jan Zwinkels, expressed his surprise over the allegations about the the Mafia's influence on the island. "It is all very vague. My impression is that people repeat the same unfounded story over and over again. I never spoke to a Italian judge. There never has been request for mutual legal assistance." (90) In contrast, the Italians say that when they arrested the Cuntreras in 1992 they had enough evidence to convict them. "We had indications that they were interested in investments on Aruba. Other countries should take over here, we have informed them,"says Italian police-investigator Pansa. That did not happen.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 10:14:26 PM
 Posted by: Carlos Severino Tromp | March 22, 2008 at 03:01 PM

My open letter to mrs Beth Twitty, duped because of Aruba

The Hague, The Netherlands, 25th of April 2008

Dear mrs Elizabeth (Beth) Twitty,

I, Carlos Severino Tromp, am the builder, owner, and writer of the Dutch website
www. koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com and I want to apologise to you through this letter via the website YOU TUBE for the injustice the ministry of Aruba has done to you, because injustice is injustice. I understand your pain and meekness as a human being and mother of Nathalee Holloway, and I also want to express my support for you, because you have lost the battle, but not the war! There is, alas, no justice in my country of birth Aruba, because the government of Nelson Orlando Oduber Prime Minister is corrupt, the eleven puppet members of parliament, and their president, mrs Marvin Wyatt-Ras, are nothing more than puppets who protect corruption. The Public Prosecuting Agency of Aruba (OM) Havenstraat #2, Oranjestad, Aruba, is a political Organisation and together with the communal Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba they have degenerated into a house of worship of Satan.

Also the very corrupt crown civil servants, the violators of human rights: the Public Prosecutors General, Mr. Drs. Teresa Diana Croes Fernandez Pedra and the monster Mr Elivia Elvira Lugo who on a daily basis violates justice and human rights,

(it is namely not for nothing that the now former commissary of police and inspector,
Gerold Dompig, has thoroughly beaten her up. What is piquaint, however, is that he
was not prosecuted for this severe maltreatment and even this incident was covered up
by the local authorities of Aruba and that the motherland the Netherlands has, as usual,
again closed her eyes to this serious fact) mrs Teresa Diana Croes and Elivia Lugo
together with her colleagues; whom have perfected and legalised corruption there with
the blessing of the corrupt Hyancintho Rudolfo Croes (Rudygate), minister of justice,
for whom the motherland the Netherlands takes a bow!
They are not to be trusted, falsify documents, commit forgery, manipulate the law, commit great injustice, so that justice there in fact has degenerated into justice metered out by tyrants and a lot more devious things against humanity and human rights, with the cooperation of many corrupt Dutch and Aruba lawyers, whom have all done such under the auspices of the kingdom of the Netherlands, which has therefore degenerated into a
lowlife banana republic.
KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS (Do no wrong in your judging: give thought to the position of the poor, do not only honor the position of the great; but be a judge to your neighbor in righteousness. Leviticus 19:15)

This is the reason that Nathalee Holloway has become missing and Joran van der Sloot is untouchable within that banana republic, the kingdom of the netherlands.

Joran van der Sloot would now have become a persona non grata. I have to laugh at this, because that is only a sly joke and a smoke curtain coming from the henchman of Satan with the nickname “Rudygate” sitting on the post of the secretary of justice of the very corrupt STATUS APARTE of Aruba, entitled as a den of thieves: the insular territory Aruba, being a part of the dutch banana republic. It is further totally irrelevant whether there is or is not a governor of Aruba, because this current governor is blind, deaf and mute concerning the crimes of his former political party MEP that is in power.

A part of the populace is tainted with corruption. Just ask the former E.U. member of Parliament mr. Frits Bolkestein and the dutch Second Chamber member mr. Hero Brinkman; they are witnesses, because they have called Aruba a litter of robbers and a den of thieves.

But do not think that I am surprised, because of the fact that the International Transparency rapports of Berlin have also entitled the motherland the Netherlands as being number seven on the list of all the corrupt countries in the world! Bad trees do not give good fruits!!

The dutch government closes its eyes to the crimes taking place on Aruba against humanity and human rights in name of the head of state, the Queen, Mrs Beatrix. And the dutch Prime Minister Mr Drs Jan Peter Balkenende believes in his half truths and is helping the corrupt government of Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber to fool the people and the world with a crooked rapport of the IMF into believing that the economy of Aruba is sound. Jan Peter Balkenende appears not to have feelings or be ashamed of his lies, or else he must be totally incompetent! Because how is it then possible that Aruba has only 120.000 inhabitants but a national debt of more than one billion guilders, while 80% of the populace has fallen into poverty? This has only been possible with the very corrupt cartel of Prime Minister Nelson Orlando Oduber, Hyacintho Rudolfo Croes (alias Rudygate), Marisol Lopez-Tromp (queen of corruption), Nilo Swaen who is manipulating figures on the ministry of finance, Ramon (the sex maniac) Lee, Eddie Briezen Namdar, Booshi (Mr false diploma) Wever and cronies.
But it is understandable that dirty hands cannot clean anything what is dirty and IF Satan rises against Satan, he is fighting against himself and destroys his own kingdom; thus states the Holy Bible!

I advise you to start a legal procedure against the insular territory of Aruba, the Dutch state or the Kingdom of the Netherlands, because the government of Aruba is lying to the world under the auspices of the kingdom of the netherlands, that lowlife banana republic, that Aruba is a safe and secure island for tourism; even for the people there is no justice, while there exists no security of law, no justice on that little island, neither that so called democracy!
Because corruption is in power on Aruba and the government under the Cabinet of Nelson Orlando Oduber has changed the insular territory of Aruba into a den of thieves!
I cordially welcome you to the website written in the Dutch and in English languages www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com & www.dutchkingdomclassjustice.info ,
so that you can get an impression of the total injustice that has manifested itself on Aruba.
Probably on the 25th of April 2008 or in the near future a new website will appear in the English language called www.arubainjustice.info You are of course welcome to check it out.

“DAME CLASS JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS” Do not Err; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a man puts in, he will get back as grain. Galatians 6-7


DAME ? JUSTICE OF THE KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS; JUSTICE NOW OR NEVER !!”

You are absolutely invited to pass on this letter to the press, television any media.

Yours Sincerely,

C.S. Tromp

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 10:25:19 PM
Alleged crimes against Mr.Tromp in Aruba (SNip)
• Violating the European Treaty of the Rights of man, in which is included the Universal Declaration of the Rights of man
• Violating the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union
• Violating the Treaty of New York (the U.N. treaty) and all further relevant treaties relevant to the rights of man
• Taking revenge by abuse of power and supporting the very corrupt government of Aruba, the public prosecuting agency and the communal court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba
• Hostaging me four times with a total of 257 days in solitary confinement and 20 hours of imprisonment without me having committed a prior crime, together with conspiring, plotting against me, discriminating me, telling lies to me, hostaging me, torturing me, stealing my property and subjugating me while being bound on hands and feet
• Threatening to murder me with a black pistol aimed at me in the police station of San Nicolas on Aruba
• Manipulating the law, lawyers, and the criminal sentence of 26th of March 2002, case number h.16/02, so that I am without a legal chance in the procedure in cassation
• Abusing my under aged children by making them make damaging statements against me without them knowing what they were doing
• Committing forgery and falsifying official documents
• Covering up the dossier of the sentence of the 26th of March 2002, case number H.16/02, by the abovementioned court, so that I remain ignorant of the reason why I remained captive for 257 days in solitary confinement
• Letting the public prosecuting agency of Aruba make dossiers disappear and covering that up.
• Covering up crimes against humanity by civil servants of the public prosecuting agency of Aruba
• Writing two false rehabilitation reports (H. Hoevertz) and two false psychiatrist reports (H.A.E van Gaalen), addressed to me with the aim to ruin my mental health on the island of Aruba, so that the truth would not surface
• Placing me in a cell without a mattress, light, fresh air and a toilet
• Allowing the sale of drugs
• Corruption and a lot more devious things addressed against me that have taken place on the insular territory of Aruba, where you too are queen and head of state, in your name in a government building with closed doors where I was bound at hands and feet on the order of your crown civil servants, with on the wall your portrait at a desk apparently with your instructions, where you are also the head of state and queen with the last constitutional responsibility

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 11, 2008, 11:22:22 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Maybe it's just me...he kinda look's like a younger relative of Patrick's.  Everyone is related to someone...imho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 11, 2008, 11:31:26 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Maybe it's just me...he kinda look's like a younger relative of Patrick's.  Everyone is related to someone...imho

I think he looks like this guy,who the Diario reporters and others say is his real Father..Every picture I see of him he looks different  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoPaulCompare2.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 11, 2008, 11:37:23 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Maybe it's just me...he kinda look's like a younger relative of Patrick's.  Everyone is related to someone...imho

I think he looks like this guy,who the Diario reporters and others say is his real Father..Every picture I see of him he looks different  ::MonkeyEek::

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/LorenzoPaulCompare2.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/pvdslvrcompare.jpg)

Could be all three are related.  Never know.  mo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 11, 2008, 11:59:54 PM
Americans aren't the only ones begging the queen and the dutch governement to do something about the cover up's,human rights violations and the corruption within the Aruban Govt.

From:  tromp13carlos
Age: 55
Country: Netherlands

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 1)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAp1QA3ylw

Aruba ( open letter to queen beatrix 2)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86QJ_iNMM2c

Aruba ( open letter to Queen Beatrix part 3)
aruba injustice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-OsnGThuo






this person is really mad at Aruba and the Dutch not helping.
but i think by playing the anthem and stepping on the flag people might turn away from him.
i would support him though.
if i am treated like how he and Beth are treated i might have done much worse things whom i have to regret.

i wonder how many more people are victims from this corrupt justice system and haven't or cannot speak out.

caseu

i agree.  silence there is perhaps the golden rule???
it is a small island.


hope that your daughter is feeling much better now. ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 12, 2008, 12:04:54 AM
*******...i really appreciate your commitment here to getting to and thru the truth.

You are great.  Thanks so much for being such an influence ::MonkeyCool:: here


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 01:43:51 AM
TY FOB :)

(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4548/jconfessim6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sirensong on May 12, 2008, 03:39:47 AM
Can't help but wonder if this Carlos Severino Tromp, who is so vocal about the corrupt goverment of Aruba, is related to the missing guy Tromp.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 12, 2008, 08:38:34 AM
Was Paul vd Sloot in McDonald"s ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/aruba3.jpg?t=1210595531)

Here are the "family member's" posts from Riehl:
23 juni 2005 23:05:07

Quote:
I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared.

I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant.

Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 12, 2008, 09:55:20 AM
TY FOB :)

(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4548/jconfessim6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)



Ahhhh  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I LOVE the alien theory ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 12, 2008, 10:37:25 AM
TY FOB :)

(http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4548/jconfessim6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)



Ahhhh  ::MonkeyLaugh::

I LOVE the alien theory ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Well, the artist certainly got the EYES just right! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Helen




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 12, 2008, 10:52:42 AM
O/T re:  aruba information being erased from internet...anyone can just go in and erase someone elses entire post from the internet? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 12, 2008, 11:14:50 AM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Do you think this is ligit *******....TIA....Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 12, 2008, 11:38:33 AM
KLAAS....AND *******.....YOU GOT MAIL!!!

KLASS....HOTMAIL...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 12, 2008, 11:48:49 AM
O/T re:  aruba information being erased from internet...anyone can just go in and erase someone elses entire post from the internet? 

Hi Always....what happened?

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 12, 2008, 12:01:28 PM
Destiny, I left some information for Richard on the front page last nite and today, the  sites are missing....how do you erase someone elses site?  I know nothing about software.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 12:02:10 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Do you think this is ligit *******....TIA....Des...

No..I dont think that is the real LVR but that might be the real Patrick..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 12, 2008, 12:08:47 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Do you think this is ligit *******....TIA....Des...

No..I dont think that is the real LVR but that might be the real Patrick..

Thanks!...did you get my mail?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 12, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
Destiny, I left some information for Richard on the front page last nite and today, the  sites are missing....how do you erase someone elses site?  I know nothing about software.

Did you leave the information in a comment under one of the articles on the front page?   The articles, I'm sure, are still there.  What was the topic, if I may ask?...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
Destiny, I left some information for Richard on the front page last nite and today, the  sites are missing....how do you erase someone elses site?  I know nothing about software.

What sites are missing?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 12:20:58 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Do you think this is ligit *******....TIA....Des...

No..I dont think that is the real LVR but that might be the real Patrick..

Thanks!...did you get my mail?

I did get it..Thanks and very interesting!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2008, 12:21:51 PM
Always 1 - these are your front page posts referencing websites.  I don't see any actual links in your posts just references to a couple of sites.  Did you bookmark the websites?  I seriously doubt they are "missing".

Quote
always 1 wrote:

I dont believe this. The sites I referred Richard to last nite are gone….Who is so powerful that they can remove sites from the internet that I feel belong to everyone….I am going to have to find a more cryptic way to leave messages….

May 12, 7:59 AM


Quote
always 1 wrote:

Richard, also on Aruba Crawler (a search engine) there are some cool maps…..click on aruba maps and views….d

May 11, 9:27 PM



Quote
always 1 wrote:

Richard, there are some differnt pictures of the lighthouse on Karen E Booth Photography..

May 11, 9:12 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2008, 12:23:52 PM
Karen E. Booth photography:

http://www.keboothphoto.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=11


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 12, 2008, 12:25:51 PM
https://www.keboothphoto.com/store/index.html

always 1,  found the Karen E Booth site and the photos you referred to on the FP.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 12, 2008, 12:27:57 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Just trying to be helpful, but always a step behind Klaas...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Just trying to be helpful, but always a step behind Klaas...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Not having much luck with Arubacrawler.com but to be honest, I doubt it was much of anything anyways. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 12, 2008, 12:38:33 PM
always 1,

Arubacrawler.com does exist:

http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=arubacrawler&tld=com

It just seems to be down, right now.  Coincidence?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2008, 01:04:21 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Why am I not surprised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 12, 2008, 01:07:25 PM
re: missing post, I dont know, but this has happened so many times lately, and forgive me for saying this, but what is it is one of our own that is so competitive, they dont want to share....is that even possible?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 12, 2008, 01:07:50 PM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Why am I not surprised.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Hey Janet.....do you have my email addy?...if not see if you can get it from Klaas or ******* ...TIA....Destiny ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2008, 01:09:57 PM
Always 1 - this is not a competition


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 12, 2008, 01:23:22 PM
Karen E. Booth photography:

http://www.keboothphoto.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=11


Thought this picture was interesting.  I wonder where in Aruba it's located?  Makes me think of Shango!

The Maze

(http://www.keboothphoto.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=531&g2_serialNumber)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 12, 2008, 02:24:53 PM
Hey Pita,

Looks like it might be right behind that little church at Alto Vista, photo 1 ?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 12, 2008, 02:27:10 PM
Hey Pita,

Looks like it might be right behind that little church at Alto Vista, photo 1 ?



Good eyes, Helen Back!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 12, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Hey Pita,

Looks like it might be right behind that little church at Alto Vista, photo 1 ?



Good eyes, Helen Back!!

Thanks, Helen!!  I agree! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 12, 2008, 02:33:52 PM
Hey Pita,

Looks like it might be right behind that little church at Alto Vista, photo 1 ?



I think you are correct.

Come and Walk Aruba’s Labyrinth and Enjoy a Moment of Peace (http://www.ndh.org/template.php3?ID=704)

Labyrinth Locator (http://wwll.veriditas.labyrinthsociety.org/locate-a-labyrinth-results?instance_id=303&prev_action=locate_simple_form&action=locate&organization=&city=&state=&postalcode=&country=Aruba&radius=&submit=Search)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 12, 2008, 04:15:40 PM
I just LOVE our archives  ::cartwheel::


A very short thread about 'marten' -- here are 2 of the interesting posts...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1494.0


HLSlawyerchik
Scared Monkey

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Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 10:55:56 AM » 

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Woah. His entire "meetingthaipeople.com" message board seems to be an ode to old men having sex with young (and even underage) girls!

BUT on his biography, he claims to have spent the years 1962 through 2004 in Suriname! Here's a quote:

1962- 2004: Failed really as a conscripted 1-star Officer in the Dutch Army stationed in Suriname

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/about.html

He also claims to have handcuffed a schoolteacher to a boiler for an entire weekend as a youth:

Rumors were flying of encounters in previous, very shortly attended schools. The less serious one, being a successful attempt to curb the freedom of a Dutch language teacher by handcuffing her to a coal boiler in the school's cellar over the weekend.

And his personal ad explicitly offers cash to the under-age-26 woman willing to move in with him:

LOVE ISSUES in Thailand are different from how they are looked at in the western world.

As money is involved, I will mention it openly ... the right, intelligent, attractive female, not older than 26 years of age and single, will be paid B 7.500 per month, increasing by B 2.500 per month until B 15.000 is reached after 4 month. That will be her money and she will be free to spend it the way she wants. Our normal living expenses together will be taken care of by me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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I find it disconcerting that he claims to have lived in Suriname from 1962 until 2004. He might actually know the Kalpoes (and all those girls from the tickle.com profiles) personally. Since he is so vocal about being a pervert, who knows what kind of interests he might have that he is actually being discreet about...
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 12, 2008, 04:29:50 PM
Hey Pita,

Looks like it might be right behind that little church at Alto Vista, photo 1 ?



Good eyes, Helen Back!!

Thanks, Helen!!  I agree! 


Posted something way back in Shango on this...the road is not paved...Haleigh said they searched around there because they thought she had been there IIRC...will look tomorrow morning for it. It was a site that showed the church and the unpaved road! Also had something that said Jaime lived near there at the time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 12, 2008, 06:00:45 PM
Also
In recent years, the Aruba Soul Beach Music Festival has featured scores of both legendary and up-and-coming Soul and R&B artists. Fans of classic acts have been able to enjoy performances from The Gap Band, Chaka Khan and Maze at the Aruba Soul Beach Music

http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=The+Maze+in+Aruba&y=Search&fr=ybr_sbc&u=www.paradisebymarriott.com/feeds/vacation.php%3Finclude%3D135443&w=maze+mazes+aruba&d=GFpsqzWxQwdn&icp=1&.intl=us


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 12, 2008, 06:51:54 PM
Hey Pita,

Looks like it might be right behind that little church at Alto Vista, photo 1 ?



I think you are correct.

Come and Walk Aruba’s Labyrinth and Enjoy a Moment of Peace (http://www.ndh.org/template.php3?ID=704)

Labyrinth Locator (http://wwll.veriditas.labyrinthsociety.org/locate-a-labyrinth-results?instance_id=303&prev_action=locate_simple_form&action=locate&organization=&city=&state=&postalcode=&country=Aruba&radius=&submit=Search)
This one looks totally different than the one Pita posted.Pita's looks like there was some burning going on and a lot of garbage laying around.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 07:27:27 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 07:41:22 PM
We can't ever forget that PVDS was seen on that dirt road by the alta vista church the day after Art Wood found that belt. I believe it was Joe Huston who was the first to arrive at the site early AM,but before arriving he drives by PVDS in the red jeep on that narrow dirt rd and they both make eye contact. Joe said it creeped him out.

What was Paul Van Der Sloot doing up so early in that area where a search was going to take place? I wonder how far that Alta Vista church is to the shallow grave that was found by TES?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 07:41:29 PM
This recent stuff reminds me of sales 101 stuff.

There is usually a chapter on managing, handling, or neutralizing objections.

In a nutshell, you find out what the objections are and neutralize them. 

What are the objections in the minds of posters about Aruba and the Natalee Holloway disappearance?

Joran - not welcome.  Any legal standing?  It does eliminate the objection of those that might find his presence objectionable.

Joran's recent confession on PdV.  Any legal standing?  It does eliminate the objection of those who were following the case waiting to hear Joran confess.  The confession may have been a clever ruse (that snared Robots).  jmho

Joran in hospital/clinic/nuthouse.  Any value to legal case?  Any definite confirmation?  Who cares?  Rumor/speculation may eliminate those that were waiting for someone to hold Joran accountable, even if just in a day clinic. imho

Joran's lost passport.  I'm stretching here.  Maybe someone planned to make it look like Joran was a crime victim.  Joran is lost, and never found, and starts a new life with a new identity/face/location.  Maybe this eliminates those that were fixated on Joran being held accountable and locked up.  No Joran, no case, no crime.  mo

Why bother?  Is there anything that would cause a case to be brought against J2K (any or all) or others? 

Any case involving conflict of interest, nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, or other wrong doing?

Circle back to the early days...Why would C&C need to hire a crisis management company (or start looking for one) when Natalee was missing for just days?  What did they know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 07:47:33 PM
We can't ever forget that PVDS was seen on that dirt road by the alta vista church the day after Art Wood found that belt. I believe it was Joe Huston who was the first to arrive at the site early AM,but before arriving he drives by PVDS in the red jeep on that narrow dirt rd and they both make eye contact. Joe said it creeped him out.

What was Paul Van Der Sloot doing up so early in that area where a search was going to take place? I wonder how far that Alta Vista church is to the shallow grave that was found by TES?

The profile from the Chicago videos creeps me out.  It looks like Wit or PVDS.  Wit more than the other. 

Why be there early in the morning?  I wonder if anyone was tracking PVDS?  Or, if he had been released from suspicion at that time, and therefore no one from ALE was keeping an eye on him or his communications.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 07:53:01 PM
We can't ever forget that PVDS was seen on that dirt road by the alta vista church the day after Art Wood found that belt. I believe it was Joe Huston who was the first to arrive at the site early AM,but before arriving he drives by PVDS in the red jeep on that narrow dirt rd and they both make eye contact. Joe said it creeped him out.

What was Paul Van Der Sloot doing up so early in that area where a search was going to take place? I wonder how far that Alta Vista church is to the shallow grave that was found by TES?

The profile from the Chicago videos creeps me out.  It looks like Wit or PVDS.  Wit more than the other. 

Why be there early in the morning?  I wonder if anyone was tracking PVDS?  Or, if he had been released from suspicion at that time, and therefore no one from ALE was keeping an eye on him or his communications.

I seriously doubt anyone was tracking him..If anything they tipped him off that searchers were looking at that area first thing the next day,so he tried to beat them to it to do whatever,however Joe was out there really early and caught PVDS driving away from the area..Only one narrow dirt rd went through that area so I'm sure PVDS was hard to miss,he must have been very desperate to risk being seen.MO

I think that profile looks like PVDS..IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 07:53:15 PM
We can't ever forget that PVDS was seen on that dirt road by the alta vista church the day after Art Wood found that belt. I believe it was Joe Huston who was the first to arrive at the site early AM,but before arriving he drives by PVDS in the red jeep on that narrow dirt rd and they both make eye contact. Joe said it creeped him out.

What was Paul Van Der Sloot doing up so early in that area where a search was going to take place? I wonder how far that Alta Vista church is to the shallow grave that was found by TES?

I think it was actually Fred Golba that spotted him. TJ says it was not him. but either way.. what the heck was he doing over there? maybe that was when Valentijn's cell phone was accidentally on purpose lost???

the list of questions just keeps growing..

Hi Ya ******* :bball:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 07:56:42 PM
Why stir up the VDS compound as a burial site?  Is this psychic deflection from the water search?

Who was in that cage?  I'm thinking not Natalee, but someone.  jmho

How many remain in watery graves around Aruba?  Bones washing up for tourists to find.  Who knows how many are taken home as souvenirs (knowing or unknowing)? 

Is everything that washes up on the beach a fish or donkey bone?  I don't think I've seen any pictures of donkeys on the beaches of Aruba.

What harm could a continued water search have? 

A search with a bigger ROV could document the sites long before any human/ALE/NFI dive team. 

Is Joran vulnerable if something of Natalee is found in the water?  Maybe others as well?

Maybe a treasure trove of case related evidence along with remains?  Shoes?  Shirt?  Bedding?  Car parts?

What is the continued reason there is no justice for Natalee?

===========>  No Body / No Case



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: msmarple on May 12, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2367&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2367&Itemid=30)

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Mal comportacion di publico na concierto di Jorge Celedon       

Monday, 12 May 2008 

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diasabra anochi na Mansur Ball Park tabata tin e concierto di Jorge Celedon, cual a wordo para pa polis despues di malcomportacion di algun persona cu a causa bringamento durante cu e artista tabata actuando.

E pelaa basta grandi cu a tuma lugar a laga hasta hende herida y cu mester a wordo transporta pa hospital pa tratamento. Pa seguridad, polis a dicidi e ora ey di para e concierto cu a termina mas o menos 2.30 or di madruga.

 
Online Pap translation:

bad comportacion of publico at concierto of jorge celedon

monday, 12 may 2008

oranjestad(aan): saturday night at mansur ball park was have the concierto of jorge celedon, cual owing to wordo stop for police after of malcomportacion of some person cu owing to cause bringamento during cu the artist was actuando.

the pelaa enough big cu did take lugar owing to let even person injury y cu have to owing to wordo transporta for hospital for tratamento. for seguridad, police owing to dicidi the hour ey of stop the concierto cu owing to termina more or less 2.30 or of madruga.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 08:00:34 PM
Hi Rob,

Yes could have been Fred Golba..I was in a chat with Art Wood and he definetly said it was PVDS and it creeped Fred or Joe out..I think one of them mentioned it in a interview also..Beth use to pray at that Church but I don't think it had anything to do with her. This was the day after they found that belt and were searching that N.E. Side. If I am not mistaken I believe the shallow grave was found not far from there in the National Park.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 08:04:22 PM
As i rcall the shallow grave was found by TES in Arikok, Alto Vista is more to the North.

http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 12, 2008, 08:06:10 PM
Natalee Hollway Search, July 26 - August 1, 2005 by Robert Cooke
Tim Miller, the director of Texas EquuSearch, Tim's friend Kevin, and I flew to Aruba on Tuesday. We want to set up things and define search areas for the specialized search teams that are coming later this week. Tim appeared live on Fox's ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN within two hours of our arrival in Aruba. I met Natalee Holloway's mother Beth while waiting for the show.I gave her the ribbons the Laci Peterson ribbon makers made for Natalee. Beth gave me one of the wristbands made for Natalee, which are similar to the Lance Armstrong Foundation wristbands.

The next day, Kevin and I started working on a schedule for the week. The ground penetrating radar (GPR) team and TES search leader and lead diver Joe Huston also flew in on Wednesday.

Thursday, the GPR team scanned an area in the Arikok National Park where a shallow grave and duct tape with blonde hair were found. I picked up the first dog team at the airport and took them to the hotel. A new witness came forward who said he saw a female being dumped in the Aruba landfill two days after Natalee disappeared. Kevin went to the landfill and listened to what the witness had to say. The information was credible enough for us to search the landfill tomorrow. I appeared on MSNBC's ABRAMS REPORT tonight. They asked me questions about the GPR and Natalee's search. I also explained Rachel's disappearance.

Friday most of the team went to the landfill. The GPR and methane people searched the beach near the Marriott Hotel. Dave Holloway and his father-in-law accompanied us to the dump. A K9 got a hit in one area. Three small mounds were flattened there by a bulldozer, and the dog was still interested in the ground. A backhoe then dug down about three feet. The K9 then lost interest.

The backhoe was moved to the area where the witness said a body was dumped. A second backhoe arrived, and that one dug 5-6 foot deep holes about 50 yards apart. The backhoes then moved toward each other. I left the landfill to pick up a second K9 team at the airport. Later that night, Tim Miller and I appeared on ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN.

Saturday the landfill search continued. We only had one backhoe, so we carefully dug where the landfill supervisor said the garbage for early June would be. Newspaper dates were checked as we dug to make sure we were in the correct area.

The dogs checked the holes in the early morning and late afternoon for human scents. At one point they got a hit, but it turned out to be medical waste. Geraldo Rivera's brother Greg interviewed a few searchers today. One of the K9 teams appeared on Fox's HEARTLAND, Joe Huston and I were on THE BIG STORY, and Tim Miller was on AT LARGE WITH GERALDO RIVERA.

Sunday Joe Huston and I spent most of the day at the landfill. We bought better masks, which helped a lot. An ad will be placed in tomorrow's newspaper asking for equipment and operator donations to continue the landfill search on Tuesday.

I did interviews with ABC, Associated Press, and PEOPLE magazine. The PEOPLE article about Natalee Holloway should be in an early August edition.

Monday a team was sent to the old Atlantis Hotel. Tim, Kevin, and I flew back to Texas. Some of the team will remain in Aruba to complete the landfill search.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2008, 08:11:02 PM
As i rcall the shallow grave was found by TES in Arikok, Alto Vista is more to the North.

http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php

Tim Miller
RED - SCARED MONKEYS
July 24, 2005


RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues

TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved.  We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 08:12:51 PM
Your right BB..I think the shallow grave was on the Northern part of the park by the Natural bridge and the Alto Vista Church is North of there..But PVDS still could have taken that rd to get to that area. I have a short vid and screens of the shallow grave but all they say is Arikok Park.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
Hi Rob,

Yes could have been Fred Golba..I was in a chat with Art Wood and he definetly said it was PVDS and it creeped Fred or Joe out..I think one of them mentioned it in a interview also..Beth use to pray at that Church but I don't think it had anything to do with her. This was the day after they found that belt and were searching that N.E. Side. If I am not mistaken I believe the shallow grave was found not far from there in the National Park.

wonder if Fred or Joe remembers what kind of car he spotted him in???

Maybe forward him that photo from the Aru-Bay video? (To Art to forward to Joe or Fred).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 08:21:11 PM
Art Wood interviewed a "Fransisco" twice as he was adamant that he helped bury Natalee with two others using a white PU. One of his friends worked at the Marriott and  as you know there are other witnesses who say they saw Natalee placed in a tarp in a white pu at the Marriott. There is also that Fisherman that tells a very similar story and the details match up with Junior and what he saw a day later at the dump. The Fisherman mentioned something about only getting to that location in a ATV.

As you know this Fransisco was locked up almost immediately in a mental hospital after telling the ALE what he did,when Art Interviewed this man his friends said he was not crazy. Looking at all the witnesses this is the only Fransisco I see and a June 10th interview is interesting to say the least.

Name: Elgen Fransisco Kock
Date: 10 June 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Fleur Tromp
Description: witness statement


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 08:22:07 PM

wonder if Fred or Joe remembers what kind of car he spotted him in???

Maybe forward him that photo from the Aru-Bay video? (To Art to forward to Joe or Fred).

PVDS was definetly in his Red Jeep.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2008, 08:25:34 PM
Your right BB..I think the shallow grave was on the Northern part of the park by the Natural bridge and the Alto Vista Church is North of there..But PVDS still could have taken that rd to get to that area. I have a short vid and screens of the shallow grave but all they say is Arikok Park.

Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
July 13, 2005


PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called Boca Prim (ph). That`s on the northern side of the island near the national park.

It`s an area of soft sand dunes. There`s only one road to get down there. It`s a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive.  It`s where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it`s at that area where this thing that looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it, was found, Nancy.  

GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is?

PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip. And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 12, 2008, 08:26:42 PM

wonder if Fred or Joe remembers what kind of car he spotted him in???

Maybe forward him that photo from the Aru-Bay video? (To Art to forward to Joe or Fred).

PVDS was definetly in his Red Jeep.

so not the small silver car??? thanks... that still leaves out the possibility that was PVDS in that car. So that would have had to have been before his buggy was locked up. His Jeep was confiscated on the 15th right? So, that leaves about 15 days while he was probably running all over that island. He may have been seen at other locations too.

That nut Ed Smith said he saw Dave driving a red Jeep and it rolled right in front of them when the were filming - but it turned out it was Paul Reynolds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 08:29:49 PM
Mental hospitals seem to come up a lot in Aruba.  According Joran, Van Der Straaten tried to give him that option, Carlos S Tromp was being railroaded in that direction and now you say that this June 10th witness who we believe may have told Art that he buried Natalee is off to a padded room.

Aruba must get some type of volume credit with the mental institutions in Holland.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 08:33:00 PM
As i rcall the shallow grave was found by TES in Arikok, Alto Vista is more to the North.

http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php

Tim Miller
RED - SCARED MONKEYS
July 24, 2005


RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran early in the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues

TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved.  We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/24/interview-transcript-with-tim-miller-july-24th-2005/

I wonder where the woman saw the four sweaty boys with shovels?  Did she ever call back?  Maybe she was recorded?

When was the power outage?  Maybe that's when the body was dumped at sea? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 08:38:44 PM
Wheres the belt now and what was PVDS doing out there?

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Aruba_20Belt_small-1.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/blackbeltcompare2-1.jpg)

Art Wood:I had specific information to a possible site where she might have been buried. Last night, just prior to dark, I went out there.  I dug around.  I came up with that belt.  I didn‘t turn it over to authorities last night because I wasn‘t sure of the significance.  But I remembered that photograph, the photograph that was on Joran‘s Web site, the site where he was shown doing sadistic things to his friends, the same Web site that showed him drunk, and so forth.

And I thought, Man, that belt looks like the same belt.  So this morning, I checked our research photograph file at the “Diario,” and I believe that that‘s a pretty good match.  I‘m going to leave it to the authorities to do forensic work, maybe computer enhancement, and see if they can identify that belt.

I will tell you this, the area where the belt was found is an area that we‘re concentrating on.  We have a search team in that area tonight as we speak.

COSBY:  Oh, you do?  How many folks do you have out there?  And how big is that area, Art, where we‘re looking now?

WOOD:  Well, we—they‘ve taped off an area out there that I showed them where I think would be significant.  It‘s not a large area.  The dunes area is a large area, but tonight, they‘re specifically searching a small area that I felt was significant.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925236

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/dunes-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 08:42:48 PM
Mental hospitals seem to come up a lot in Aruba.  According Joran, Van Der Straaten tried to give him that option, Carlos S Tromp was being railroaded in that direction and now you say that this June 10th witness who we believe may have told Art that he buried Natalee is off to a padded room.

Aruba must get some type of volume credit with the mental institutions in Holland.

Heres the guy that decides all that..Caps calls him Super dirty hands and something tells me he has been at work in this case. I read a bit about this guy and it's no wonder why he is so feared.

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5420/image587uu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 08:48:21 PM
Mental hospitals seem to come up a lot in Aruba.  According Joran, Van Der Straaten tried to give him that option, Carlos S Tromp was being railroaded in that direction and now you say that this June 10th witness who we believe may have told Art that he buried Natalee is off to a padded room.

Aruba must get some type of volume credit with the mental institutions in Holland.

Heres the guy that decides all that..Caps calls him Super dirty hands and something tells me he has been at work in this case. I read a bit about this guy and it's no wonder why he is so feared.

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5420/image587uu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

His name came up a few times in Tromp's manifesto.  I can see where this guy could be a very dangerous character.

If Carlos S. Tromp is Shango....and I am saying IF ... I would have to believe it's possible that Tromp/Shango was posting from the angle of exposing the entire corrupt judicial system in Aruba.  Would he have known what really happened to Natalee??  Maybe from the "word on the street" if he still knows people on Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2008, 08:49:55 PM
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/Aruba_20Belt_small-1.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/blackbeltcompare2-1.jpg)

I had specific information to a possible site where she might have been buried. Last night, just prior to dark, I went out there.  I dug around.  I came up with that belt.  I didn‘t turn it over to authorities last night because I wasn‘t sure of the significance.  But I remembered that photograph, the photograph that was on Joran‘s Web site, the site where he was shown doing sadistic things to his friends, the same Web site that showed him drunk, and so forth.

And I thought, Man, that belt looks like the same belt.  So this morning, I checked our research photograph file at the “Diario,” and I believe that that‘s a pretty good match.  I‘m going to leave it to the authorities to do forensic work, maybe computer enhancement, and see if they can identify that belt.

I will tell you this, the area where the belt was found is an area that we‘re concentrating on.  We have a search team in that area tonight as we speak.

COSBY:  Oh, you do?  How many folks do you have out there?  And how big is that area, Art, where we‘re looking now?

WOOD:  Well, we—they‘ve taped off an area out there that I showed them where I think would be significant.  It‘s not a large area.  The dunes area is a large area, but tonight, they‘re specifically searching a small area that I felt was significant.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925236

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/dunes-1.jpg)


Jossy Mansur
DANA SHOW
June 18, 2006


MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 08:51:40 PM
Sorry...I guess my last post really belongs in the Shango/Simian thread.  I am reading both and going back and forth I sometimes forget which one I am posting in.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 08:56:43 PM
Old RWV posts - old link...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_91.html

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It seems incredulous that if someone actually did see a body being dumped at a garbage dump, wouldn't you make an effort to return to the exact spot and actually take a better look, when the dumpsters party had left,then call authorities? Why would anyone just call the police first, without looking? A sane person would look more closely. Hmmmm.... that million dollar reward is bringing out the shysters. However, if he did call police immediately, why wasn't the body found. It is apparent that justice will not be meted out to those 3 young men or the father. I will NEVER visit Aruba after this incident, knowing that the police have done a major cover-up and bungled the case and their arrogance not to allow the FBI to truly participate and give direction, has scared me off this island paradise FOREVER. Shame on Van Der Straaten and the police force.

And why the hell, do the police not obtain a search warrant to check out the well on VDS residence? What is with that? Oh, PVDS is one of their buddies, I get it. This cover-up will never be solved. My heart goes out to the Holloway family. Shame on Deepak and Satish and Joran and Paul. May God's judgement be the one they are most afraid of.
Canada Goose -Maybe they should bring in the 3 CSI shows cast to analyze the mud on the show and solve this case - lol

Posted by: Canada Goose | Sunday, July 31, 2005 at 10:03 PM


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Canada Goose many share your frustration. After watching this unfold..or not unfold for the last 8 weeks I'm seriously considering taking a break from all media etc until there is a serious break in the case....of course what the heck would I watch since everything is in reruns anyway.

I'd like to respond to "However, if he did call police immediately, why wasn't the body found."

I just saw J. Mansur read a letter from a woman who was very annoyed that this info was largely ignored when it was reported - in her letter she also stated that the witness (I'm assuming the same one) had been threatened.

The issue of the well. If it is an abandoned well, it should be searched. However if it is an active well I doubt someone would be so stupid as to contaminate their own drinking/washing water...but hey you never know. Even a capped well can so easily become contaminated by bacteria, water run off, animal feces etc on ground level just imagine what would happen to your water supply if you threw something like a decomposing body down there with all the bacteria and gases etc....I would imagine you would soon smell it coming out of the taps/sinks and I know you'd get pretty sick.

For the record I am NOT a JVS or PVS or Kalpoe supporter, and I'm not Dutch. Personally I couldn't let my frustration caused by a few prejudice my judgement of an entire nation either.

Posted by: bubble | Sunday, July 31, 2005 at 10:35 PM


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Nursemind: I never said anything about banning Aruba.I just stated that the islands have lost their appeal for ME!

It's a sad situation all around.Many people are suffering because of it.

I take no delight in adding to that.

Posted by: peggy | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 07:27 AM


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Prayers to all the family..DO NOT STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO FIND NATALEE.I HAVE BEEN TO ARUBA AND IT SEEMS TO BE PERFECT GET AWAY BUT: EVERYONE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE.ARUBA IS STILL HOPEING THAT THE H/T FAMILY WILL GO AWAY BUT THEY MUST NOT. TOO MANY UNANSWERD QUESTIONS. IF WE STOP THIS NOW, ANY OTHER USA CITIZED OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER SHOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THEIR SAFETY ON ARUBA OR ANY ISLAND IS COMPROMISED. CAN THEY GET AWAY WITH MURDER OR KIDNAPPING?? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO FUTURE TRAVELERS, THE GOVERNMENT OF AN ISLAND HIDES THEIR INFORMATION TO EVEN THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND DOES NOT ASK FOR HELP WHEN THEY NEVER HAD THIS KIND OF A MISSING TEEN. THANK GOD FOR THE MEDIA COVERAGE AND TEXAX GUYS. WHEY CAN'T THEY GET MORE HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO DIG THAT TRASH SITE?????? WHERE ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE OF ARUBA AND THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT..IS SHE THERE???GOOD QUESTION, AND IT MUST BE CLEARED TO MAKE SURE. WHEY SO MANY DAYS HAVE GONE BY AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE EASIEST SITE TO CLEAR...?? GO FOR IT MRS. HOLLOWAY/TWITTY...DON'T LEAVE.....GOD BE WITH YOU AND WITH THE HONEST PEOPLE OF ARUBA, I KNOW THEY ARE OUT THERE, AND GOD BE WITH THE GOVERNMENT THAT THEY CHANGE THEIR LAWS BECASUE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW IS CRIMINAL AND SNEAKY AND I HOPE THEY CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT..DO THEY HAVE CHILDREN TOO....JOAN

Posted by: Joan P | Friday, August 05, 2005 at 11:57 AM


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This is based off of the assumption you believe that the landfill story has some merit, but>>>

Did anyone else consider that maybe the shoe is at the landfill? Maybe it fell out of the truck? He may have had the shoes in the truck and one fell out. No one would notice anything odd about a single muddy shoe at a landfill.

Posted by: annie | Sunday, July 31, 2005 at 08:13 PM


Back in August 2005, people knew something was just not right.  mo

I wonder what else people were writing to Jossy about?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 09:00:17 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10925978/
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COSBY:   You know, Jossy, that's a pretty big area, isn't it, that they're checking?  The dunes are pretty high?

JOSSY:  Yes, this is a pretty big area. I think Art Wood has narrowed it down to a place where he did find a belt that was buried there.  The belt was given over to the police.  But we haven't heard anything more belt it just simply disappeared. 

COSBY:   In fact, I think they were saying that the belt was too old to be tested?  Which Art would have physically looked at the belt, said it looked like there was still some good stuff on there to be able to at least determine whether or not it was connected.

What do you know about the gag order, too, Jossy.  There is apparently a gag order on Chief Dompig.  And I want to show what we've learned, is that Aruba's attorney general issued the gag order. Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig and Prosecutor Karen Janssen aren't allowed to talk about the case. Why are they trying to shut them up, Jossy?

MANSUR:  I have no idea, but the gag order is a reality.  I've heard about this. I've known about this gag order for some time now and they are strictly forbidden to talk to anyone in the media to begin with, and anyone else outside of the investigative team.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 09:01:58 PM
Sorry...I guess my last post really belongs in the Shango/Simian thread.  I am reading both and going back and forth I sometimes forget which one I am posting in.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Come across?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on May 12, 2008, 09:03:56 PM
Sorry...I guess my last post really belongs in the Shango/Simian thread.  I am reading both and going back and forth I sometimes forget which one I am posting in.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Come across?  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 09:07:37 PM
The Shallow Grave..This was not found by chance but from a tip

Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
July 13, 2005

PENHAUL: The searchers were at an area called Boca Prim (ph). That`s on the northern side of the island near the national park.

It`s an area of soft sand dunes. There`s only one road to get down there. It`s a very rough road. You can really only get there by four-wheel drive.  It`s where a dry riverbed meets the ocean. And it`s at that area where this thing that looked like a grave, a hole, about four feet deep and about the length of a body with a mound of sand beside it, was found, Nancy.

GRACE: Now, also, on the north end of the island, where they were today, is that where that lighthouse is?

PENHAUL: Not really, no. The lighthouse is at the northern tip, at the northwest tip. And this area is really on the northeastern side of the island.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 09:13:34 PM
Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was?  The one with the belt around his neck?  Where the picture was taken?

Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family? 

Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52.  I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.

Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 09:15:10 PM
I forgot to add this from the "letter" ~

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"In August 2005, I found a belt in a sand dune near the lighthouse. It appears to be identical to a belt that Juron van der Sloot had displayed on his website while pretending

Theresa Croes Fernandez-Pedra
November 1, 2005
Page 3 of 6

to choke a young man in a photo. I turned the belt over to the detectives at the Buball Police Station. On the following day, I arranged to have professional searchers with cadaver dogs conduct a search of the area where the belt was found. Mr. Fred Golba, who is a professional searcher and dog handler, led the search effort. At one point, Mr. Golba's cadaver dog began to excitedly dig in the dune approximately ten feet from where I discovered the belt. Because of the dog's interest in that area, Mr. Golba excavated the sand dune and recovered two tiny pieces of plastic, which he described as a milky color and were possibly consistent with a type of plastic that is used in large drum liners or garbage bags. Fed Golba wanted to collect these pieces of plastic as evidence and have the police forward them for forensic examination. Dennis Jacobs, who was on the scene during the search, told Mr. Golba to throw them away as they were meaningless. When I turned in the belt that I found in that dune, I requested the police to forward the belt of forensic examination and/or computer enhancement. I later checked with the police, including Deputy Chief Dompig, and I was informed that the detective team had decided that the belt was not important as it was too old. Quite frankly, I was puzzled as the belt in the photo appears to be a very old belt and I did not suggest that it was Juron's belt, only the likelihood that it was the belt Juron was using as a prop in the photo."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 12, 2008, 09:33:46 PM
From old link - http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_2.html

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I'm looking at Ms. Karin Janssen in a whole new light after relaying the day's events to someone I know. As I've mentioned, this person I know has business takes him freqently to the ABCs and he is familiar with the island approach to negotiation as well as socio/political relationships that exist there. (The Jossy Mansur article as translated by Arubagirl can be very enlightening btw.)

It was pointed out to me that it is possible Karin Janssen has made these public declarations to AP for the purpose of creating an unprosecutable case. She has been silent on the case, except for the disparaging 'cowboy' comment, until now. In the last few days, she has violated Arubian law twice by discussing details of the case with the press. Why would she do this? Has she violated the law to the extent that no judge will allow the case to proceed? She should know better; she was responsible for queering a case back in Holland because of failure to follow proper protocol.

After reading Jossy's bold editorial, one wonders how far Dutch-Europeans on the island of Aruba will go for each other??

Posted by: gallowaygirl | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:00 PM

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Yesterday, in the local press, M. Croes did not like it, that Janssen has taken over - and remember the boss of that dept. is M. Croes's mother

Posted by: blacklable | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:04 PM


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Oke, all in Shangoland - once more for the ones who have hearing or reading problems - no local Aruban would help in no cover up for no Dutch guy

on the other hand: could it be that some people would not mind a Dutch scapegoat or two?

and one of the vital questions? ask your daughters, sisters, girlfriends: what 18year old would wear the same outfit from (at least) afternoon (pictures taken) - casino - concert - dinner? with whom? - CnC - meeting and taking off with the "boys" - was she afraid to go back to her room? She had supposedly only slept there 1 night we were told
Someone mentioned she had only her driver's license and us$50 on her, what about blush, lipgloss, eye-liner, not even a hair-brush? etc.

another vital question: Charles Croes stated in interview that he had gone to a spot at the beach were he saw three cars (appr. 1 - 3 am), what do you think - if they were there monday night, why weren't there any cars (witnesses for or against Joran) there the important sunday night?

Posted by: blacklable | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 07:32 PM


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I am sure they have looked in the park. Btw, ground is awfully hard to dig in, might take two or more guys - shuffles will not do it, you need pickaxes - would take at least 1 1/2 to 2 hours. If a body was not sufficiently covered, you would see birds in the area. And I am also certain, the rangers had their eyes wide open since may 30.

Posted by: blacklable | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 07:59 PM


I wonder how much was told to locals in those early days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 12, 2008, 09:36:16 PM
Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was?  The one with the belt around his neck?  Where the picture was taken?

Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family? 

Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52.  I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.

Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?


Yes, it's Joran's friend Michael. I believe that particular photo was taken when they were on that trip to Venezuela.  Who knows where the belt came from that was used in that pic or who it belonged to. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 12, 2008, 10:04:33 PM
THE BELT

Art Wood
DANA PRETZER
July 3, 2006


Dana:  The physical evidence, the belt ...

Art:  There are reasons I searched for the belt.  Some people saw a vehicle that night.  They lead me to this area ... I was kicking around in the sand and a belt popped up so I put it in my car.  I asked the cops if they wanted it and they said bring it in the next morning.  I went back and hooked up with Eduardo.  We were going to interview some people later.  I made a mental note to take the belt to the police. I kept thinking I saw that belt before so I went to the newspaper and started looking at file photos and I found that picutre of Joran chocking somebody with the belt.

It is a distinctive belt.  It has some kind of striations, brown leather, very wide, good thick leather and amazingly it's a real long.  When I took it to the police, the lead investigator at that time, one of the chief people was a guy named Tromp.  I gave it personally to him and he took a statement frm me.  He said WOW this is identical.  This is important.

I later find out they did nothing with it.  It was not sent to Holland. They determined the belt is too old.  It had been in the sand for a long time ...

I had gone through an attorney to get the belt back.  I was going to send it to a lab myself. We don't know what happened to the belt.


Jossy Mansur
DANA SHOW
June 18, 2006


MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 10:08:40 PM
The fabric that looked like Natalee's was found in Boca Tortuga by the Natural pool and the shallow grave was in Boca Prim. I think they were found pretty close to one another on that N.E. side on the Northern part of Arikok park. Art called the area Boca Prim but I think he meant Boca Prins and that should be more North on that Map..I think  ::MonkeyWink:: Either way PVDS was seen just after the sun came up just north of here on the road by the Alto Vista Church.

(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2315/aruba20evidensesmalltm0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/

http://www.arubabound.com/photos/arikok/bocaprins/bprins.htm
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KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: There certainly was a flurry of activity up there on the northern shore of Aruba, an area called Boca Prim (ph). Now, that`s in the national park, an area of soft sand dunes in an outlet where a dry riverbed meets the stormy sea there.

And what Texas EquuSearch members had found, according to what they`ve told me by phone, is a four-foot deep hole, a pile of sand alongside it. And they thought that this may have been a hole that could have been used to store Natalee`s remains for a temporary period of time and then later dug up and moved on.

They called in the police. The police came in. And later on in the afternoon, they ruled out any connection between this hole and Natalee`s disappearance, Nancy.

GRACE: So, Karl, the first thing I had heard earlier today was there was shallow digging the size of -- the dimensions of a body. And that must have caused a flurry of activity.

To Dr. Patricia Saunders, very quickly, you`ve got this whole family on pins and needles. They`re waiting for this judge, who is apparently chummy with the chief suspect`s father, for Pete`s sake, waiting on a decision. And now they hear this, this shallow digging, the dimensions of a body. They must have thought the worst.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/13/ng.01.html
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Boca Prins, in Arikok National Park on the north coast, also boasts dunes and hardy seaside vegetation, but the rough-and-tumble waters here make swimming out of the question. You'll need a car, preferably an all-terrain vehicle, to get here on the rutted dirt roads. Plan a picnic lunch, or eat at the nearby cafe, also called Boca Prins, walk along the limestone cliffs, and slide down the dunes instead of risking the water.
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Gary:Boca prins is a beach and not sandunes.(sp) There are sandunes nearby and you get there by heading to baby beach, turning left an the old anchor memorial, continue past the prison for about 2 miles through the Dutch military firing range and it will be on your right about a half mile further.

Gary:I happen to know the warden of the prison and trust me, no danger as escape is close to impossible. The military firing range I believe is hardly ever used and they put red flags up at each entrance when they do you use it. No danger in my opinion. I have been in that area probably 50 times or more and never had a problem.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f10/dune-surfing-boca-prins-22821/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 10:40:27 PM
Mental hospitals seem to come up a lot in Aruba.  According Joran, Van Der Straaten tried to give him that option, Carlos S Tromp was being railroaded in that direction and now you say that this June 10th witness who we believe may have told Art that he buried Natalee is off to a padded room.

Aruba must get some type of volume credit with the mental institutions in Holland.

Heres the guy that decides all that..Caps calls him Super dirty hands and something tells me he has been at work in this case. I read a bit about this guy and it's no wonder why he is so feared.

(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5420/image587uu9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Kuiperdal is the Judge that was the Judge Of Instruction before they brought in the ones from Curacao.  He is the judge that presided over the security guards hearings, and the gardeners statement.  Not "clean" hands in my opinion, but not the "Super Dirty Hand" that Caps has referred to.  He supposedly died in 2006 or 2007 but I haven't been able to locate the obituary yet.  Someone said it's here in the archives.  If anyone has it, please share it.  From my research I believe he still has family on the island.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159006,00.html)
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/ramos.htm (http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/ramos.htm)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:00:22 PM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal



Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 11:34:16 PM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107    
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal

Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address:    PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:41:32 PM
Klaas,
Please check your hotmail.  Thanks!
TM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 12, 2008, 11:42:37 PM
I think Kuiperdal is the same judge that got into that scuffle at the beach with the baseball player Sidney Ponson..If he isn't deceased then he has been laying low practicing law in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 12, 2008, 11:46:03 PM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107    
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal

Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address:    PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
That's what I'm wondering....  I've found a couple posts that said he died...and that the obituary is in our archives...but I haven't found it.  I've seen the listings too.  The post that I'm referring to Buckeye brought up a while back, it was originally from Leslie and IIRC the original post was in Dec 2007.  She also said in the post that he was from Curacao, but I'm fairly certain that he lived in Aruba with his family.  I'll see if I can find the link again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 12:00:46 AM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107    
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal

Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address:    PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
That's what I'm wondering....  I've found a couple posts that said he died...and that the obituary is in our archives...but I haven't found it.  I've seen the listings too.  The post that I'm referring to Buckeye brought up a while back, it was originally from Leslie and IIRC the original post was in Dec 2007.  She also said in the post that he was from Curacao, but I'm fairly certain that he lived in Aruba with his family.  I'll see if I can find the link again.

Texasmom ... I never saw any publication that stated that Kuiperdal  had died but ... I could have missed it.  According to Kermit ... you are right on regarding Kuiperdal being an Aruban judge.

Janet

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360234;topicseen#msg360234


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #240 on: March 03, 2008, 09:41:11 PM »


The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal  
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005


The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360234;topicseen#msg360234


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 12:12:16 AM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107    
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal

Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address:    PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107
That's what I'm wondering....  I've found a couple posts that said he died...and that the obituary is in our archives...but I haven't found it.  I've seen the listings too.  The post that I'm referring to Buckeye brought up a while back, it was originally from Leslie and IIRC the original post was in Dec 2007.  She also said in the post that he was from Curacao, but I'm fairly certain that he lived in Aruba with his family.  I'll see if I can find the link again.

See Buckeye's post here:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg336392#msg336392

Leslie's post here: 12/10/07
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2432.msg316359#msg316359


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 12:16:01 AM
Thanks Janet!

We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 12:24:48 AM
Thanks Janet!

We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night Texasmom.

Janet
9:25 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 12:27:32 AM
Thanks Janet!

We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good Night Texasmom.

Janet
9:25 PM

Good night Janet.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 12:28:34 AM
... and also a good night to casa, jackb, Icehawk, wreck, SurfCity and 9 Guests who are viewing this topic.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2008, 12:33:29 AM
179. Aruban (Uncertified Bastard)

Da Wench that is true he is changing story, we aruban are furios at him and I am sure that he will go down we all are praying for that they are changes right now they have arrest one extra person a feww minutes ago if Iam not wrong it is another dutch boy. This just happend in SAVANETA If you are from ARUBA Y ALL KNOW
Thursday, June 16th, 2005 @ 4:36pm
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/06/03/natalee-hollowayone-happy-island
============================
Checkme Says:

June 16th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
There was a pic online showing a house in Savaneta, where Karin Jansen was at the door, and the guy who loves there is a known drug dealer. (He drives around in a souped-up grafiti truck (after he crashed his brand new audi TT 2 years ago).
-------------------------------------------------------
Checkme Says:

June 17th, 2005 at 9:17 am
Savaneta is on the east side of Aruba. This morning’s local newpaper reports a person being detained at Saveneta. I have seen pics of this person’s house in savaneta on the net, on the day they arrested the three.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 13, 2008, 12:43:36 AM
... and also a good night to casa, jackb, Icehawk, wreck, SurfCity and 9 Guests who are viewing this topic.

Janet
Goodnight, johnboy!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: jackb on May 13, 2008, 12:53:51 AM
Thanks Janet!

We may have to ask Destiny to give him a call, to see if he's still among the living.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny will call him whether he is dead or not.  LOL  Jackb.  Also goodnight to you to
Have a good one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 01:21:44 AM
179. Aruban (Uncertified Bastard)

Da Wench that is true he is changing story, we aruban are furios at him and I am sure that he will go down we all are praying for that they are changes right now they have arrest one extra person a feww minutes ago if Iam not wrong it is another dutch boy. This just happend in SAVANETA If you are from ARUBA Y ALL KNOW
Thursday, June 16th, 2005 @ 4:36pm
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/06/03/natalee-hollowayone-happy-island
============================
Checkme Says:

June 16th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
There was a pic online showing a house in Savaneta, where Karin Jansen was at the door, and the guy who loves there is a known drug dealer. (He drives around in a souped-up grafiti truck (after he crashed his brand new audi TT 2 years ago).
-------------------------------------------------------
Checkme Says:

June 17th, 2005 at 9:17 am
Savaneta is on the east side of Aruba. This morning’s local newpaper reports a person being detained at Saveneta. I have seen pics of this person’s house in savaneta on the net, on the day they arrested the three.

-------------------------------
Makes me wonder....I think I hear a whisper in the wind....Bulo....or maybe a shout from a distant shore....LORENZO!  It makes me MAD to know that everything that Natalee, her family and all of those who love them have been through may have been to protect the likes of him!  Disgusting! 
 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 01:31:36 AM
Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was?  The one with the belt around his neck?  Where the picture was taken?

Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family? 

Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52.  I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.

Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?


Yes, it's Joran's friend Michael. I believe that particular photo was taken when they were on that trip to Venezuela.  Who knows where the belt came from that was used in that pic or who it belonged to. 

Goodmorning  


this is the Venezuela trip Pic
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/venezuela.jpg?t=1210656582)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 01:37:51 AM
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5420/image587uu9.jpg)

Who said this ^^^^^^^^^???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2008, 01:38:39 AM
Good Morning Johan :) Time for us west coast americans to hit the sack..Have a great day!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2008, 01:40:13 AM


Who said this ^^^^^^^^^???

Those are newspaper clippings saved by Carlos Tromp..You can see them on his site..

http://www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 01:46:24 AM
Good Morning Johan :) Time for us west coast americans to hit the sack..Have a great day!

 thank you *******, i am early ,we have a kind of a heatwave here  29 degrees C.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Icehawk on May 13, 2008, 01:50:57 AM
I think Kuiperdal is the same judge that got into that scuffle at the beach with the baseball player Sidney Ponson..If he isn't deceased then he has been laying low practicing law in Aruba.




Sidney is a big kid. 6' 1"  250 lbs



http://www.thescore.com/mlb/mlb_player.aspx?playerid=1603


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: jackb on May 13, 2008, 01:56:49 AM
I just LOVE our archives  ::cartwheel::


A very short thread about 'marten' -- here are 2 of the interesting posts...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1494.0


HLSlawyerchik
Scared Monkey

Offline

Posts: 14

Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 10:55:56 AM » 

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Woah. His entire "meetingthaipeople.com" message board seems to be an ode to old men having sex with young (and even underage) girls!

BUT on his biography, he claims to have spent the years 1962 through 2004 in Suriname! Here's a quote:

1962- 2004: Failed really as a conscripted 1-star Officer in the Dutch Army stationed in Suriname

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/about.html

He also claims to have handcuffed a schoolteacher to a boiler for an entire weekend as a youth:

Rumors were flying of encounters in previous, very shortly attended schools. The less serious one, being a successful attempt to curb the freedom of a Dutch language teacher by handcuffing her to a coal boiler in the school's cellar over the weekend.

And his personal ad explicitly offers cash to the under-age-26 woman willing to move in with him:

LOVE ISSUES in Thailand are different from how they are looked at in the western world.

As money is involved, I will mention it openly ... the right, intelligent, attractive female, not older than 26 years of age and single, will be paid B 7.500 per month, increasing by B 2.500 per month until B 15.000 is reached after 4 month. That will be her money and she will be free to spend it the way she wants. Our normal living expenses together will be taken care of by me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HLSlawyerchik
Scared Monkey

Offline

Posts: 14


Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2005, 11:26:59 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I find it disconcerting that he claims to have lived in Suriname from 1962 until 2004. He might actually know the Kalpoes (and all those girls from the tickle.com profiles) personally. Since he is so vocal about being a pervert, who knows what kind of interests he might have that he is actually being discreet about...
 
 


Marten does know the Kalpoes.  He, at one time had Depak on his friends list, Depak's face on an Aruban flage and captioned "king of bling."  Also he has spent some time in Aruba.  He is into martial arts and is or was keeping a book or journal on the Holloway case.  Very pro-vandersloot.  He was also on some boards at one time in Aruba during the times he says he was in Suriname, closer to the date of NH disappearance.  One Deutek. pic with Roman Polanski shown to be a woman-like person (in female clothes, at any rate) standing beside a sitting down, Polanski huggin him on the shoulders.  Yes, I would venture to say they are all well acquainted, the perps and Marten.  Marten had the pics of his room with all the worst serial killers books on a shelf (Gacy, Dahmer, the dude who killed the little girl and buried her outside his trailer before she died,) and I am thinking the Polly Klass murderer.  Can't be sure about the last one.  It has been awhile.  He also had pics of Beth, Jug and some more tv'sand computers running.  I told about the "doll house" like statues that turned out to be either very grainy photos with the Sloots looking out a window and a figure tied up with clothes like NH.  Could have been some type of wierd art.  All those people need to burn in hell.  Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: jackb on May 13, 2008, 02:22:38 AM
Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was?  The one with the belt around his neck?  Where the picture was taken?

Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family? 

Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52.  I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.

Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?


Yes, it's Joran's friend Michael. I believe that particular photo was taken when they were on that trip to Venezuela.  Who knows where the belt came from that was used in that pic or who it belonged to. 

Goodmorning  


this is the Venezuela trip Pic
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/venezuela.jpg?t=1210656582)

The older dude in back on the picture with the group looks like, and may be the arm candy Julia Renfro drags around.  Remember the picture with the guy in the purple shirt and I was telling about GVC in the darkened background when the pic was "lit up" and resized in parts?
There was a ceremony of some type going on in the background, or so it appeared and the Julia, fat face, and studley purple shirt was blocking the view trying to, I believe, to make us believe they were trying to be just a pretty pin up couple.  Seems like there may have been another couple of people in that picture, but it may have been fat face and studley purple shirt.  Oh, well, it is a small, small world, now isn't it?  Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 03:46:11 AM
Lorenzo Van Rijn on hyves..I see he used his arrest picture and has Patrick on his friends list  ::MonkeyWink::

http://lorenzovanrijn666.hyves.nl/friends/

Maybe it's just me...he kinda look's like a younger relative of Patrick's.  Everyone is related to someone...imho

Well, beautiful WG, I think you have it partially right. It looks to me like everyone is related to Paulus and his killer seed.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 13, 2008, 04:17:11 AM
Somehting I got in my email...early this am...Klaas and ******* know 'bout it....I decided to post it here in the forum....


Hi XXXXXXXX;
How are you today. In the newspaper of saturday of DIARIO we had an XXXXXXXX" that has sent an article to Mr. Mansur and to other important people in this investigation about what she has seen that night when Natalee has disapeared.
Today we gone see what comes out with that version of that XXXXXXXX.
I let you know. If you hear something let me know too.
 
Bye
XXXXXXXX

This is NOT a psychic.....Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 07:15:29 AM
Somehting I got in my email...early this am...Klaas and ******* know 'bout it....I decided to post it here in the forum....


Hi XXXXXXXX;
How are you today. In the newspaper of saturday of DIARIO we had an XXXXXXXX" that has sent an article to Mr. Mansur and to other important people in this investigation about what she has seen that night when Natalee has disapeared.
Today we gone see what comes out with that version of that XXXXXXXX.
I let you know. If you hear something let me know too.
 
Bye
XXXXXXXX

This is NOT a psychic.....Destiny...

what she has seen > i am curious  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 07:58:15 AM
Did anyone ever track down who that boy in the picture was?  The one with the belt around his neck?  Where the picture was taken?

Isn't it possible that the belt didn't belong to the VDS family, but to some other family? 

Someone posted early on that the belt was a size 52.  I've only seen photos of maybe two case related people that look a little bigger than average, and maybe the size 52 would be reasonable.

Maybe it belonged to someone who helped dispose of a body?


Yes, it's Joran's friend Michael. I believe that particular photo was taken when they were on that trip to Venezuela.  Who knows where the belt came from that was used in that pic or who it belonged to. 

Goodmorning  


this is the Venezuela trip Pic
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/venezuela.jpg?t=1210656582)

They look like a nice group of pictures.  I do have to wonder...how many white plaid shirts Joran owns? 

I really looks like Joran's brother gets all the girls.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 08:08:51 AM
How embarassed would Aruba be if remains and evidence were found of Natalee Holloway?

Botched investigation, missing PVs, missing evidence, taped confesstions, etc.  No charges or convictions.

What would they do if they found bones and shoes?

How would they explain that away?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 08:23:51 AM
Diario has a horror cartoon on the front page this morning...

(http://news.diario-aruba.com//images/stories/2008N/mei/13/car.jpg)

This reminds me of the Stephen King movie "The Langoliers"

"...a vision of the "Langoliers", small demonic beasts with fast legs that chase down the purposeless and lazy, and eat them alive."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Langoliers


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 13, 2008, 08:30:31 AM
Lmao....excellent movie. Jossy is spoofing' it, lmao.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 08:55:26 AM
Lmao....excellent movie. Jossy is spoofing' it, lmao.

Any idea who the running man is?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 13, 2008, 09:08:40 AM
The judge involved the scuffle with Sidney Ponson was Willem Jan Noordhuizen.



:?:

http://wjnoordhuizen.spaces.live.com/recent/ 

http://wjnoordhuizen.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!1BA47E98229A979A!236/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 13, 2008, 09:55:49 AM
I just LOVE our archives  ::cartwheel::


A very short thread about 'marten' -- here are 2 of the interesting posts...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1494.0


HLSlawyerchik
Scared Monkey

Offline

Posts: 14

Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 10:55:56 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Woah. His entire "meetingthaipeople.com" message board seems to be an ode to old men having sex with young (and even underage) girls!

BUT on his biography, he claims to have spent the years 1962 through 2004 in Suriname! Here's a quote:

1962- 2004: Failed really as a conscripted 1-star Officer in the Dutch Army stationed in Suriname

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/about.html

He also claims to have handcuffed a schoolteacher to a boiler for an entire weekend as a youth:

Rumors were flying of encounters in previous, very shortly attended schools. The less serious one, being a successful attempt to curb the freedom of a Dutch language teacher by handcuffing her to a coal boiler in the school's cellar over the weekend.

And his personal ad explicitly offers cash to the under-age-26 woman willing to move in with him:

LOVE ISSUES in Thailand are different from how they are looked at in the western world.

As money is involved, I will mention it openly ... the right, intelligent, attractive female, not older than 26 years of age and single, will be paid B 7.500 per month, increasing by B 2.500 per month until B 15.000 is reached after 4 month. That will be her money and she will be free to spend it the way she wants. Our normal living expenses together will be taken care of by me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HLSlawyerchik
Scared Monkey

Offline

Posts: 14


Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2005, 11:26:59 AM » 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I find it disconcerting that he claims to have lived in Suriname from 1962 until 2004. He might actually know the Kalpoes (and all those girls from the tickle.com profiles) personally. Since he is so vocal about being a pervert, who knows what kind of interests he might have that he is actually being discreet about...
 
 


Marten does know the Kalpoes.  He, at one time had Depak on his friends list, Depak's face on an Aruban flage and captioned "king of bling."  Also he has spent some time in Aruba.  He is into martial arts and is or was keeping a book or journal on the Holloway case.  Very pro-vandersloot.  He was also on some boards at one time in Aruba during the times he says he was in Suriname, closer to the date of NH disappearance.  One Deutek. pic with Roman Polanski shown to be a woman-like person (in female clothes, at any rate) standing beside a sitting down, Polanski huggin him on the shoulders.  Yes, I would venture to say they are all well acquainted, the perps and Marten.  Marten had the pics of his room with all the worst serial killers books on a shelf (Gacy, Dahmer, the dude who killed the little girl and buried her outside his trailer before she died,) and I am thinking the Polly Klass murderer.  Can't be sure about the last one.  It has been awhile.  He also had pics of Beth, Jug and some more tv'sand computers running.  I told about the "doll house" like statues that turned out to be either very grainy photos with the Sloots looking out a window and a figure tied up with clothes like NH.  Could have been some type of wierd art.  All those people need to burn in hell.  Jackb

Hey jack b,

I have been looking for weeks for a pic of Deutekom with no luck.  Could you please post the pic you mentioned above?  TIA

Helen



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 09:56:09 AM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107    
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal

Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address:    PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107

Interesting that he works in the Lejuez law firm...much more so than most of you guys think at this moment. No wonder nothing came of things in Aruba concerning this case. All I can say is....hmmmmmm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:01:22 AM
Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody



By Dave Sheinin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05


The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday .

Attorney Chris Lejuez acknowledged Ponson's part in the fight, but declined an opportunity to proclaim his client's innocence of the charges of assault and fighting in a public place.

"If you are in a fight, it is very hard to be innocent," Lejuez said. "The only way to be innocent in a fight is to avoid it."

Ponson, 28, spent a fifth night in jail last night at a police station in the town of San Nicholas, and could remain there through the weekend as the public prosecutor finishes investigating Saturday's altercation. Ponson remains in police custody because Aruba's legal system has no bail option.

Although it remains unclear when Ponson will be released -- he could be transferred to a prison early next week if the prosecutor finds there is cause to keep him detained, and a judge agrees -- Lejuez said he believes Ponson will be available for spring training on time in mid-February.

"I'm very confident he will be able to get back in time for his preparations for spring training," Lejuez said. Asked about the possibility of prison time, he said, "I'm hopeful we don't get to that point."

The Orioles have remained mostly silent on Ponson's case, and majority owner Peter Angelos said yesterday that he will withhold judgment until all the facts are out.

"I would be the last person to prejudge him," said Angelos. "There was an allegation made, but it isn't fair to just automatically assume he was in the wrong. [Someone else] could have been the aggressor."

According to police reports, Ponson was confronted on the beach Saturday by a group of people who asserted he had harassed them by recklessly operating his personal watercraft. In the ensuing altercation, Ponson allegedly struck a man in the face, then fled the scene. The alleged victim, who turned out to be a local judge named W. Noordhuizen, was hospitalized, and Ponson was later taken into police custody.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1331.html

Messages left at Noordhuizen's office were not returned yesterday, and a receptionist said he was on vacation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:05:13 AM
Gabe Leo left a comment on Michelle's site a long time ago saying ~

'Beth was the worst client Helen ever had' (paraphrased) and claimed that Helen was his cousin.

I don't trust those Lejuenz's at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 10:13:08 AM
Rob
I have a Gabe Leo question...could you tell me about his name...it does not sound like most of the Aruban names...no hyphenated names or anything.  Can you tell me what you know about that?  Also, do you know how long he was in the USA at school and when did he return to Aruba?  I have more questions...making a connection here...be patient with me.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:17:26 AM
I've found a Hyacinth Yolanda Leo-Lejuez

-> it's a pdf that opens in XL also, so no link.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:22:45 AM
Rob
I have a Gabe Leo question...could you tell me about his name...it does not sound like most of the Aruban names...no hyphenated names or anything.  Can you tell me what you know about that?  Also, do you know how long he was in the USA at school and when did he return to Aruba?  I have more questions...making a connection here...be patient with me.  Thanks.

I just know what you know.

His grandfather was very close to Betico and part of that separate aparte status and has the Leo mall named after him. He claims that Jairo Dirksen is his cousin and Jairo is from Columbia.

I "suspect" that his house in Florida was transferred to him in a love and consideration transaction. But do not know all of the details.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/GabrielLeoappraisal.jpg)

I believe he was in Florida before Natalee went to Aruba and was already in school there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 10:30:51 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 10:35:38 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:39:14 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.

I can only guess he worked for UA while on summer recess. Seems the kids get out of school so much earlier these days. Some schools here are already done and some have been done for a month already. <go figger>

That property transfer indicates a sale for 100 dollars. That usually signifies a transfer from one family member to another for love and consideration. The house was sold previously for $146K in 2003, so it's worth more than a 100 dollars. LOL

What is your theory? I'm interested to learn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 13, 2008, 10:47:30 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::
No matter how crazy my life gets...just have to read at RU again and I feel normal..dirty..but normal..lol Probably why Jerry Springer show is still going strong!!! LOL We love to watch the nut cases of the world!!

ok...this is just too rich!! Chuckie the Rat is "leaking" our letter to the Arubans and the Aruban media (yes that's what they call Renho! ) ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yep...taking a letter written on an open forum and "L_E_A_K_I_N_G"  IT...ok that one was just too much!!! HEY Chuck!!!! It's already P-U-B-L-I-C!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!

He mentions how he hates and despises the Monkeys...Hey Chuck...where's the love?? We don't hate YOU!!! You generate some great laughs here!!! quite amusing!!! A little upsetting poor Beth had to put up with your drooling over her...she is not used to fat sweaty men I am sure...but we do find you quite amusing!!! Keep posting!!! You give me my morning laughs!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

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Fri May 09, 2008 7:00 pm   

charlierat wrote:

Damn shame that their letter has already been leaked and published on Aruba, along with a representative sampling of the hatred and evil that is the scared monKKKeys. Sucks to be in the KKKlan.

Elaine S Posted

Charlie ~ would you please send it to "R?" I left that for you... Perhaps she'd like to do a little public service in her column...   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 10:55:01 AM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

freakin' eunuch!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 13, 2008, 10:57:12 AM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 11:01:19 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.
Lala's...I don't know if You have or need this info but here is some on Gabriel Leo
His Date of Birth is 2/25/81
and He recently renewed His Florida Drivers License on May 8,2008 (original issue date is 4/02/1999)
He is shown at the Miramar Fl address along with a Gary Leo who is 17 years old and Hyrma Raphael is listed there also....along with a Junel Citerme and Marie Marielle Basseth...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!

Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.

I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here. LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 13, 2008, 11:22:50 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Good morning Mum.  ::cartwheel::

You may want to check the distance between his home and the Aruba Tourist Bureau in Ft Lauderdale. (ATA or AHATA -- I get them confused ::MonkeyConfused::)

A lot closer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also --Rob where did he go to school?? Do you know?? FIU??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:24:33 AM
Catching up…Thanks vms…saved me looking for that about Ponson. I believe Judge Smid was the one that made the ruling in both Ponson’s  and Joran’s cases to let them go. IIRC Ponson was the precedent for Joran’s release.

From yesterday…

Here is a previous post I made in Shango and an excerpt from Satish’s 6/30 PV. The info on Jaime is from the Important Documents thread…Thanks again to Sunfreak…

The link to Haleigh Uncapher’s quote is no longer available, but it is said to be from the 11th. day of the search!

Not sure if I had the right road, there is an unpaved road in the pic from first link…not sure where it leads. Sorry…map and photo challenged! (And sometimes we look at things a little differently in the “Shango’ thread –unpaved roads…gold bricks…LOL)

Strange they would ask Satish about the Natural Bridge. Is there anything significant about the date he was asked?



« Reply #2573 on: February 25, 2008, 08:29:35 AM »   
 
This was the earlier post I made on 1/11/2008...


UNCAPHER:   Well, normally, they‘ve been searching from the lighthouse to the Alta Vista, which is a church which they think that Natalee may be.    And then this area, there is just a lot of brush and just a lot of ground to cover and also little homes that we may think that, you know, people don‘t have cable or—we can‘t imagine people not knowing about this, but we are just trying to go out there just to see if, you know, people haven‘t heard about it.

CACERES,  JAIME, Alberto Carrasquilia (DOB 4-25-85) - born in Columbia, E.P.I.(Sector Economico)  reportedly one of the PIMPS. Drives a 4 door green Honda Civic, 1997 or 1998. Nickname “Beto”   The places he frequents are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. Met Joran through Freddy in 2004.  Worked at Caribbean Overseas (June 2005).  Lives in the hamlet of Alto Vista, Aruba.   Interviewed by ALE on two occasions, 6-17-05 and 8-30-05.Joran met Jaime through Freddy according to Joran’s book.


On the way to the Alto Vista Chapel there is a paved road on the left leading to a water tank on a hill. The view from there encompasses the entire north end of the island including a good panoramic view of the Palm Beach hotels, the lighthouse, and the golf course.

http://www.orrin.org/aruba/
Looks like the road to Alto vista is not paved. See picture at link above.

‘Built by Spanish missionaries in 1750, services are still conducted in this little yellow chapel that is considered to be the first church...’

Looks more gold in this pic.

http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Aruba-Pictures/Chapel-of-Alto-Vista.htm

Satish…6/30 PV

On your question if I have ever been to the "Natural Bridge", I will answer yes. I have been on the North side of Aruba but I have never swum there.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 11:26:23 AM
Thanks for the info!  That helps me a lot.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 11:26:37 AM
I just LOVE our archives  ::cartwheel::


A very short thread about 'marten' -- here are 2 of the interesting posts...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1494.0


HLSlawyerchik
Scared Monkey

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Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2005, 10:55:56 AM » 

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Woah. His entire "meetingthaipeople.com" message board seems to be an ode to old men having sex with young (and even underage) girls!

BUT on his biography, he claims to have spent the years 1962 through 2004 in Suriname! Here's a quote:

1962- 2004: Failed really as a conscripted 1-star Officer in the Dutch Army stationed in Suriname

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/about.html

He also claims to have handcuffed a schoolteacher to a boiler for an entire weekend as a youth:

Rumors were flying of encounters in previous, very shortly attended schools. The less serious one, being a successful attempt to curb the freedom of a Dutch language teacher by handcuffing her to a coal boiler in the school's cellar over the weekend.

And his personal ad explicitly offers cash to the under-age-26 woman willing to move in with him:

LOVE ISSUES in Thailand are different from how they are looked at in the western world.

As money is involved, I will mention it openly ... the right, intelligent, attractive female, not older than 26 years of age and single, will be paid B 7.500 per month, increasing by B 2.500 per month until B 15.000 is reached after 4 month. That will be her money and she will be free to spend it the way she wants. Our normal living expenses together will be taken care of by me.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HLSlawyerchik
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Just curious about this one dude
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2005, 11:26:59 AM » 

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I find it disconcerting that he claims to have lived in Suriname from 1962 until 2004. He might actually know the Kalpoes (and all those girls from the tickle.com profiles) personally. Since he is so vocal about being a pervert, who knows what kind of interests he might have that he is actually being discreet about...
 
 


Marten does know the Kalpoes.  He, at one time had Depak on his friends list, Depak's face on an Aruban flage and captioned "king of bling."  Also he has spent some time in Aruba.  He is into martial arts and is or was keeping a book or journal on the Holloway case.  Very pro-vandersloot.  He was also on some boards at one time in Aruba during the times he says he was in Suriname, closer to the date of NH disappearance.  One Deutek. pic with Roman Polanski shown to be a woman-like person (in female clothes, at any rate) standing beside a sitting down, Polanski huggin him on the shoulders.  Yes, I would venture to say they are all well acquainted, the perps and Marten.  Marten had the pics of his room with all the worst serial killers books on a shelf (Gacy, Dahmer, the dude who killed the little girl and buried her outside his trailer before she died,) and I am thinking the Polly Klass murderer.  Can't be sure about the last one.  It has been awhile.  He also had pics of Beth, Jug and some more tv'sand computers running.  I told about the "doll house" like statues that turned out to be either very grainy photos with the Sloots looking out a window and a figure tied up with clothes like NH.  Could have been some type of wierd art.  All those people need to burn in hell.  Jackb

Hey jack b,

I have been looking for weeks for a pic of Deutekom with no luck.  Could you please post the pic you mentioned above?  TIA

Helen



I would love to see that too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 13, 2008, 11:26:39 AM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!

Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.

I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here. LOL

you are a hoot this morning!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:26:57 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Good morning Mum.  ::cartwheel::

You may want to check the distance between his home and the Aruba Tourist Bureau in Ft Lauderdale. (ATA or AHATA -- I get them confused ::MonkeyConfused::)

A lot closer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also --Rob where did he go to school?? Do you know?? FIU??

I don't know where he went to school

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubainMiami.jpg)

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ArubaFt.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:31:38 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Good morning Mum.  ::cartwheel::

You may want to check the distance between his home and the Aruba Tourist Bureau in Ft Lauderdale. (ATA or AHATA -- I get them confused ::MonkeyConfused::)

A lot closer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also --Rob where did he go to school?? Do you know?? FIU??


LOL Sharon...nice to see you...coincidence...I have already visited ATA in Fort Lauderdale early this morning, and Miami, and the rest of the US...strange how all these things are intertwined ... didn't even google Leo until Rob posted the property doc!

Any Ernesto sightings? (He takes me to Miami often...maybe he is back in New York!)

Hotping...do you think that Hyrma Raphael is one or tw peeps? I took it as two from Rob's doc? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:31:51 AM
here we go... I found the correct image

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/plantation2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 11:35:03 AM
I am thinking today may be Maarten vdb's Birthday. May 13th. How old is he now? 69? I think he might be 70. Forgive me if I don't sing Happy Birthday.

http://tinyurl.com/4a5a65


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:41:33 AM
Rob...Is that Caruba Investments the same as the pyramid scheme...guy from Aruba and a guy from California? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 11:46:17 AM
From old link - http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_2.html

Quote
I'm looking at Ms. Karin Janssen in a whole new light after relaying the day's events to someone I know. As I've mentioned, this person I know has business takes him freqently to the ABCs and he is familiar with the island approach to negotiation as well as socio/political relationships that exist there. (The Jossy Mansur article as translated by Arubagirl can be very enlightening btw.)

It was pointed out to me that it is possible Karin Janssen has made these public declarations to AP for the purpose of creating an unprosecutable case. She has been silent on the case, except for the disparaging 'cowboy' comment, until now. In the last few days, she has violated Arubian law twice by discussing details of the case with the press. Why would she do this? Has she violated the law to the extent that no judge will allow the case to proceed? She should know better; she was responsible for queering a case back in Holland because of failure to follow proper protocol.

After reading Jossy's bold editorial, one wonders how far Dutch-Europeans on the island of Aruba will go for each other??

Posted by: gallowaygirl | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:00 PM


WhiskeyGirl ... Beth Holloway ... the media ... Monkeys ... are not going to be appeased ... not going to go away ... if "only" Joran is implicated in the Natalee Holloway case.  There is too much documentation in the form of transcripts, suspect/witness statements which implies otherwise.  Even the press releases from the "powers that be" within the investigation ... those who are in a position to know.

However ... a door that Prime Minister Oduber has left wide open which may be the catalyst that brings the Natalee Holloway case to a conclusion ...

Aruba will concede that a "incompentent" ... not "corrupt" ... investigation makes it impossible to bring to justice all those who participated in the events which encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Aruba will assure that those involved in the "incompentent" investigation will never again work within the Aruban Law Enforcement.  A financial settlement will be offered to the family.

CASE CLOSED!

Janet

+++++++++


Posted 8/22/2005 11:36 AM     Updated 8/22/2005 11:59 AM

Aruba leader acknowledges early mistakes in probe

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister believes that authorities made mistakes at the start of the investigation of the Natalee Holloway case, a government spokesman said Monday.  

Beth Holloway Twitty, who has often criticized authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island since her daughter disappeared on May 30, met in private with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber over the weekend.

"I think that he's in absolute agreement that the initial investigation has been so badly botched," Holloway Twitty said on NBC's "Today" show.  

She said the prime minister also told her that Aruba needs to review the first stages of the investigation to find out "who let this go wrong."

Oduber told reporters over the weekend that during the meeting he assured the Alabama woman that investigators would not stop looking for answers about the fate of her 18-year-old daughter.

Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said Monday the prime minister had expressed concerns about the initial investigation, though he used more cautious language.

"The prime minister agreed that in the beginning the case could have been better handled," Trapenberg said. "He didn't say it had been 'botched.'"

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with three young local men on the final night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Police and hundreds of volunteers have searched the island, but found no trace of her.

An 18-year-old Dutch resident of Aruba, Joran van der Sloot, has been detained as a suspect but no charges have been filed. At a hearing in September, a court is expected to decide if there is enough evidence to continue holding him.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-aruba_x.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:49:04 AM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 11:50:05 AM
Rob...Is that Caruba Investments the same as the pyramid scheme...guy from Aruba and a guy from California? TIA

sorry Mum, I don't know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:50:18 AM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


Hello to you Johann...they posted on the FP, Scared Monkeys.com, but they are in the Shango/Simian reference threads if that is what you need. I don't have the FP links, they are spread out over different days...I am sure some-one else has them though!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 11:51:43 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Good morning Mum.  ::cartwheel::

You may want to check the distance between his home and the Aruba Tourist Bureau in Ft Lauderdale. (ATA or AHATA -- I get them confused ::MonkeyConfused::)

A lot closer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also --Rob where did he go to school?? Do you know?? FIU??


LOL Sharon...nice to see you...coincidence...I have already visited ATA in Fort Lauderdale early this morning, and Miami, and the rest of the US...strange how all these things are intertwined ... didn't even google Leo until Rob posted the property doc!

Any Ernesto sightings? (He takes me to Miami often...maybe he is back in New York!)

Hotping...do you think that Hyrma Raphael is one or tw peeps? I took it as two from Rob's doc? TIA
Mum according to publicdata....Hyrma Raphael is one person at the address in Fl...his date of birth is 11/26/62


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:53:51 AM
Rob...Is that Caruba Investments the same as the pyramid scheme...guy from Aruba and a guy from California? TIA

sorry Mum, I don't know.



Thanks Rob...I will check. I came across Caruba looking for Cafuba...the place the guy David, who sold Deepak his car worked for. Never did find Cafuba!!! Or David for that matter...there is either two or they don't exist!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 13, 2008, 11:56:59 AM
Thanks a lot Mum and Rob


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 11:57:38 AM
So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Good morning Mum.  ::cartwheel::

You may want to check the distance between his home and the Aruba Tourist Bureau in Ft Lauderdale. (ATA or AHATA -- I get them confused ::MonkeyConfused::)

A lot closer  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Also --Rob where did he go to school?? Do you know?? FIU??


LOL Sharon...nice to see you...coincidence...I have already visited ATA in Fort Lauderdale early this morning, and Miami, and the rest of the US...strange how all these things are intertwined ... didn't even google Leo until Rob posted the property doc!

Any Ernesto sightings? (He takes me to Miami often...maybe he is back in New York!)

Hotping...do you think that Hyrma Raphael is one or tw peeps? I took it as two from Rob's doc? TIA
Mum according to publicdata....Hyrma Raphael is one person at the address in Fl...his date of birth is 11/26/62


Thanks Hotping...thought I had better make sure...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 12:11:46 PM
YW MUM! If Anyone else needs a name checked in the US...let Me know... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 12:18:58 PM
YW MUM! If Anyone else needs a name checked in the US...let Me know... ::MonkeyCool::


YES!!!!   Ernesto Arambatzis!!!! Pretty please...and TIA  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 12:22:46 PM

WhiskeyGirl ... Beth Holloway ... the media ... Monkeys ... are not going to be appeased ... not going to go away ... if "only" Joran is implicated in the Natalee Holloway case.  There is too much documentation in the form of transcripts, suspect/witness statements which implies otherwise.  Even the press releases from the "powers that be" within the investigation ... those who are in a position to know.

However ... a door that Prime Minister Oduber has left wide open which may be the catalyst that brings the Natalee Holloway case to a conclusion ...

Aruba will concede that a "incompentent" ... not "corrupt" ... investigation makes it impossible to bring to justice all those who participated in the events which encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Aruba will assure that those involved in the "incompentent" investigation will never again work within the Aruban Law Enforcement.  A financial settlement will be offered to the family.

CASE CLOSED!

Janet

+++++++++


Posted 8/22/2005 11:36 AM     Updated 8/22/2005 11:59 AM

Aruba leader acknowledges early mistakes in probe

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister believes that authorities made mistakes at the start of the investigation of the Natalee Holloway case, a government spokesman said Monday.  

Beth Holloway Twitty, who has often criticized authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island since her daughter disappeared on May 30, met in private with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber over the weekend.

"I think that he's in absolute agreement that the initial investigation has been so badly botched," Holloway Twitty said on NBC's "Today" show.  

She said the prime minister also told her that Aruba needs to review the first stages of the investigation to find out "who let this go wrong."

Oduber told reporters over the weekend that during the meeting he assured the Alabama woman that investigators would not stop looking for answers about the fate of her 18-year-old daughter.

Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said Monday the prime minister had expressed concerns about the initial investigation, though he used more cautious language.

"The prime minister agreed that in the beginning the case could have been better handled," Trapenberg said. "He didn't say it had been 'botched.'"

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with three young local men on the final night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Police and hundreds of volunteers have searched the island, but found no trace of her.

An 18-year-old Dutch resident of Aruba, Joran van der Sloot, has been detained as a suspect but no charges have been filed. At a hearing in September, a court is expected to decide if there is enough evidence to continue holding him.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-aruba_x.htm


I believe that one person may be incompetent, but for people involved in the investigation, prosecution, judiciary?  What kind of place is this?  Aren't there processes in place to help overcome the incompetency of one individual? 

The original request for a search of the VDS compound, the granting of the search request, and the changes on site come to mind.  How often are such requests modified on-site?  Under these circumstances?  Where is the check and balance in this system?  The review?  The appeal?  Anyone see conflicting interests at play?

What about future incompetents? 

How much is one life worth on Aruba?  How much are the Kalpoes asking for?

There are some things money cannot buy or replace.  imho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 12:25:39 PM
O/T
just got an email from Glendene Grant. Her daughter is Jessie Foster - missing from N. Las Vegas in 06. There is some indication that her case is tied to another missing young woman named Crystal Harris.

This is Lyndsay Marie Harris
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/LindsayMarieHarris1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/LindsayHarris2.jpg)

Glendene says -
I just got the worse news in an email today from Lindsay's mother, Martha. Lindsay was identified through her DNA, sadly she was murdered. She will be going home to her family, FINALLY. A celebration of her life will be held. Martha's baby is coming home at last, her family is being restored. God bless the Harris family. Glendene...www.jessiefoster.ca

Glendene and one of her daughters holds a picture of her other daughter Missing Jessie Foster.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JessieFostermomsister12-09-2007.jpg)

In January dna testing was done on a badly burned corpse found in Texas. The person discovered was NOT Jessie.

Photo comparison of then Jane Doe. The person has now been ID'd.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DOENETWORK3.jpg)

Jessie and pimp Peter Tood, the last person to be seen with Jessie. Todd has a twin brother and is a Jamaican national.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JessieandPeterTodd2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 12:27:05 PM
excuse my typo in the last post - the murdered young woman is named Lyndsay Harris and not Crystal. I made a mistake.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 12:27:44 PM
The Kalpoe lawsuit is looking for millions and millions for damage to a reputation.  How the reputation damaged by the lies and prior association with JVDS?

The VDS family files compensation claims for all that has happened to them.  How might things have been different if they and others had told the truth from day one?

J2K and others are still alive to file their claim$$$$$.

How much is the one dead girl worth in this kind of system?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
YW MUM! If Anyone else needs a name checked in the US...let Me know... ::MonkeyCool::


YES!!!!   Ernesto Arambatzis!!!! Pretty please...and TIA  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Ernesto Arambatzis DOB 8/18/77 3470 East Coast Ave Apt#504 Miami Fl Issued 1/30/2006...original issue date 12/12/95..there are also two other addresses....7934 W Drive Loft Apt 1001 and 7934 West Drive, North Bay Village Fl...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 12:37:35 PM
Mum,

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/CarubaInvestmentsaddressfromSECDOC.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 12:41:35 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/ErnestoArambatzismarriagelicense.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 12:47:06 PM

WhiskeyGirl ... Beth Holloway ... the media ... Monkeys ... are not going to be appeased ... not going to go away ... if "only" Joran is implicated in the Natalee Holloway case.  There is too much documentation in the form of transcripts, suspect/witness statements which implies otherwise.  Even the press releases from the "powers that be" within the investigation ... those who are in a position to know.

However ... a door that Prime Minister Oduber has left wide open which may be the catalyst that brings the Natalee Holloway case to a conclusion ...

Aruba will concede that a "incompentent" ... not "corrupt" ... investigation makes it impossible to bring to justice all those who participated in the events which encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Aruba will assure that those involved in the "incompentent" investigation will never again work within the Aruban Law Enforcement.  A financial settlement will be offered to the family.

CASE CLOSED!

Janet

+++++++++


Posted 8/22/2005 11:36 AM     Updated 8/22/2005 11:59 AM

Aruba leader acknowledges early mistakes in probe

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister believes that authorities made mistakes at the start of the investigation of the Natalee Holloway case, a government spokesman said Monday.  

Beth Holloway Twitty, who has often criticized authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island since her daughter disappeared on May 30, met in private with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber over the weekend.

"I think that he's in absolute agreement that the initial investigation has been so badly botched," Holloway Twitty said on NBC's "Today" show.  

She said the prime minister also told her that Aruba needs to review the first stages of the investigation to find out "who let this go wrong."

Oduber told reporters over the weekend that during the meeting he assured the Alabama woman that investigators would not stop looking for answers about the fate of her 18-year-old daughter.

Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said Monday the prime minister had expressed concerns about the initial investigation, though he used more cautious language.

"The prime minister agreed that in the beginning the case could have been better handled," Trapenberg said. "He didn't say it had been 'botched.'"

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with three young local men on the final night of a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Police and hundreds of volunteers have searched the island, but found no trace of her.

An 18-year-old Dutch resident of Aruba, Joran van der Sloot, has been detained as a suspect but no charges have been filed. At a hearing in September, a court is expected to decide if there is enough evidence to continue holding him.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-22-aruba_x.htm


I believe that one person may be incompetent, but for people involved in the investigation, prosecution, judiciary?  What kind of place is this?  Aren't there processes in place to help overcome the incompetency of one individual? 

The original request for a search of the VDS compound, the granting of the search request, and the changes on site come to mind.  How often are such requests modified on-site?  Under these circumstances?  Where is the check and balance in this system?  The review?  The appeal?  Anyone see conflicting interests at play?

What about future incompetents? 

How much is one life worth on Aruba?  How much are the Kalpoes asking for?

There are some things money cannot buy or replace.  imho


I agree.

However ... Aruba will assure American tourists that lessons have been learned from the Natalee Holloway case in regards to potential conflicts of interests that may influence justice and ... changes in policy have been established accordingly.

Blah Blah Blah

CASE CLOSED!!!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 12:47:48 PM
Thanks Hotping and Rob...I found something at sunbiz for a company as well back in 2005, but all I keep coming up with is old info. I will check the addresses that Hotping listed as I only had the one from the Shango thread!

He said he was born in Porlamar which is on Isla Margarita, but Freddy lists that he is from Maracaibo Venezuela?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 13, 2008, 12:52:54 PM
Mum,

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/CarubaInvestmentsaddressfromSECDOC.jpg)


Thanks Rob...I did save some info on the company somewhere?  LOL There are docs from lots of states on them! I found a lot when I searched the two guys names individually. The California guy was Westerland or something like that? Will check again a little later and see if I can find it! The guy from Aruba lives in Florida now IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 01:28:24 PM
Whiskeygirl ... I believe that initially the coverup established by those within the Natalee Holloway case to protect their own implied that it would be only a matter of time before a missing 18 year old American citizen would become yesterday's headlines.

However ... Aruba had not anticipated the perceptive abilities of Beth Holloway Twitty ... the perceptive abilities that recognized the conflicts of interest within her daughter's investigation.  If the "powers that be" had realized the outcover of the initial coverup ... Joran's age would have dictated that he would have been the sacrificial lamb from the getgo.  He would have received a slap on the wrist but ... held accountable nevertheless.

At that point in time ... the family of Natalee Holloway would have been appeased.  Justice would have appeared to have prevailed.

However ... at this point in time ... it is too late to turn back the clock ... the "Joran only" strategy will not work.  In three years ... too much info has been revealed ... info that implicates Deepak, Satish, Paulus ...

This is the reason I believe that Aruba will concede an "incompetent" investigation.  There will be no accountability by those who participated in the events of the fateful morning.  The implication ... justice will never prevail for Natalee Holloway.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 01:32:07 PM
The Kalpoe lawsuit is looking for millions and millions for damage to a reputation.  How the reputation damaged by the lies and prior association with JVDS?

The VDS family files compensation claims for all that has happened to them.  How might things have been different if they and others had told the truth from day one?

J2K and others are still alive to file their claim$$$$$.

How much is the one dead girl worth in this kind of system?




I think the Aruban powers decided early on that one murdered American girl wasn't worth anything and that they had everything to lose if it ever got out that she was killed by a Dutchman's son. Bad move, it has cost them three years of unnecessary grief, countless millions of tourism income, and it would have been well over by now had they simply prosecuted the crime THEY KNEW HAD HAPPENED AND BY WHO. It is now proven they were aware Joran committed the crime the first 48 hours, Jannsen and Straten had heard the seizure statements and instead tried to pin it on the two black security guards, and who was pulling their strings?

Latest news out of Aruba is that the government is millions of florins in deficit already this year despite raising taxes. But according to them, it's just a flesh wound.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 01:35:02 PM
here we go... I found the correct image

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/plantation2.jpg)


Top of the day to you Bro! Have enjoyed your comments, maps and humor this morning, lol!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 01:36:36 PM
here we go... I found the correct image

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/plantation2.jpg)


And I might add that he isn't the only troll that lives or works within pissing distance of an ATA office.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 13, 2008, 01:42:22 PM
Mum,

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/CarubaInvestmentsaddressfromSECDOC.jpg)

CARUBA INTERNATIONAL CONSULTANCY N.V. 
 
Business address PUNTA BRABO Z/N, ORANJESTAD WEST   
Date of incorporation  24 JANUARY 2001 
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE 
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN STRICKEN FROM OUR FILES 9 NOVEMBER 2004 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SHEW-A-TJON, IVAN FERDINANT; 
Residing in  18720 NW 3RD COURT , PEMBROKE PINES, FLORIDA 33029-1374, U.S.A. 
Born in  ARUBA on 16 JUNE 1952 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  24 JANUARY 2001 
Authority  FULL 
   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 01:45:01 PM
Hello TM :)

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107    
Categories: Lawyers
Hi *******
Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal
J S. Kuiperdal

Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
Address:    PO Box 1354
Italiestraat 12

Categories: Lawyers
Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107

Interesting that he works in the Lejuez law firm...much more so than most of you guys think at this moment. No wonder nothing came of things in Aruba concerning this case. All I can say is....hmmmmmm.

I was hmmmmmming at the same thing.  Is there any way to get justice when everyone involved with the government/law is either related or sleeping with someone or both?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 01:49:55 PM
Gabe Leo left a comment on Michelle's site a long time ago saying ~

'Beth was the worst client Helen ever had' (paraphrased) and claimed that Helen was his cousin.

I don't trust those Lejuenz's at all.

Beth actually expected justice, a foreign concept to Helen.

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 02:07:17 PM
The Kalpoe lawsuit is looking for millions and millions for damage to a reputation.  How the reputation damaged by the lies and prior association with JVDS?

The VDS family files compensation claims for all that has happened to them.  How might things have been different if they and others had told the truth from day one?

J2K and others are still alive to file their claim$$$$$.

How much is the one dead girl worth in this kind of system?



Are the Kalpoes going to sue Gerold Dompig for his words that implicate them?  Are the Kalpoes gong to sue Joran for his words in his declarations?

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


Quote from: Blonde on February 05, 2008, 03:22:45 PM

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”  

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”  

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.

J. van der STRATEN

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341469#msg341469


+++++++++++

GEROLD DOMPIG

Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
October 12, 2005

 
So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 2, 2005


COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?  

DOMPIG: Yes.
 
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 8, 2005


DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
November 12, 2005


DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 02:09:08 PM
Now, is there any connections to Ft. Lauderdale, FL?  Just wondering...I can't see any, but then I can't speak several languages so I might miss something.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 02:11:06 PM
The Kalpoe lawsuit is looking for millions and millions for damage to a reputation.  How the reputation damaged by the lies and prior association with JVDS?

The VDS family files compensation claims for all that has happened to them.  How might things have been different if they and others had told the truth from day one?

J2K and others are still alive to file their claim$$$$$.

How much is the one dead girl worth in this kind of system?



Are the Kalpoes going to sue Gerold Dompig for his words that implicate them?  Are the Kalpoes gong to sue Joran for his words in his declarations?

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005


Quote from: Blonde on February 05, 2008, 03:22:45 PM

I, Jan van der STRATEN, police chief with the Aruban Police Corps, state the following.

On Monday June 13th 2005, at approximately 13.00 hours I spoke informally with the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus v/d SLOOT at the police station in Oranjestad.

On my question to Joran whether he can tell me what happened after the girl had fallen asleep on the beach near Fisherman's Hut, he answered:

“I called DEEPAK and he came with two dogs. I think he raped the girl and did something to her.”  

To my question where the girl was buried then, he answered:
“I think that it was buried then next to the wall of the Fisherman's Hut, for the rest I would not know either.”  

During the conversation Joran showed differing emotions. Sometimes he cried, sometimes he was direct in his answers.

Joran also indicated that he was very sorry for his family and that he had the best contact with his father.

When I asked him why did he lie to his father about the Holiday Inn, Joran answered that he had disappointed his father in/with that.

Of this I reported on my oath as officer on June 17th 2005.

J. van der STRATEN

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341469#msg341469


+++++++++++

GEROLD DOMPIG

Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
October 12, 2005

 
So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 2, 2005


COSBY: Do you believe, Chief—you said to me even before this interview that you believe the boys are guilty as hell. Do you believe they‘re involved in her disappearance?  

DOMPIG: Yes.
 
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9910586/from/RL.3/


Gerold Dompig
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 8, 2005


DOMPIG: I still believe that these boys have been lying, they're still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there's no doubt in my mind that they know something, they're guilty of something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12187266/


Gerold Dompig
THE ABRAMS REPORT
November 12, 2005


DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators. So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/


The word "scam" comes to mind...just saying.  :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 13, 2008, 02:12:02 PM
Quote
Croes not happy with Steenhuis as temporary PG

The Aruban minister of justice, Rudy Croes, finds it unfortunate that controversial oud-PG have been proposed as temporary provureur general for Aruba. Croes says however that he has a solution for the conflict with the current PG, Theresa Croes-Fernandes, which sits at home  because of a labour dispute.

Dato Steenhuis

Croes has troubles with the proposal of a new, temporary Procurator-General who has been in a contoversies. Steenhuis be came in the Netherlands serveral times controversial, among other things because of conflicts of interest. The Court of Justice clearred him. "I find it unfortunate that me has been recommended someone whom has had his conversersies" finds Croes nevertheless. But the minister of justice is soon without PG and it is necessarry that a decision has been taken.

Labour dispute

The current Aruban Procureur-General Theresa Croes-Fernandes, sits now approximately a year at home because of a labour dispute. From the principle of equality the Aruban PG must earn was much salary as het Antillian colleague. "I understand that, however,", thus the minister of justice, "but we had to regulate that." Croes tries to use the half yearly consultation between the Aruban and Antillian ministers to reach a proposal. "Wednesday we have to reach a solution. Then we say to the Procureur-General: this is the solution; you accept it or you return and go back to work."

Disproportional

Croes also spoke on the ministerial consultation concerning the future of the common court. Because the voice of Aruba is ‘in this disproportional small the island wants reach a new form of decision-making. It remains one court. But with a view to the future two commissions must come, of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, with a new model. However, it has been agreed the eqaulity laws must be applied as much as possible, says minister Croes.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080513_croes.html

audio interview with Croes:
http://download.omroep.nl/rnw/smac/cms/car_croes_steenhuis_20080513_44_1kHz.mp3

listened to that too.
Croes says Ballin recommend Steenhuis.
he wasn't happy with it but he had no choice because else he would be without a PG.
he still tries to resolve the Fernandes Croes salary issue. both Jörg and Steenhuis are temporary PG.
Fernandes Croes is still the official PG, but she is in effect on strike for more wages.
if he can't resolve this by wednesday he has to nominate Steenhuis for approval at the kingdoms cabinet so the queen through the governor can install Steenhuis.

als Croes want more votes in the Higher Court on Curaçao.
now Aruba has 2 votes and the Antillen 20 he says.
end of the year St. Maarten and Curaçao are planned to become a country.
and Bonaire, Saba and St. Eustatius special Dutch municipalities.
he doesn't talk anymore about a seperate Higher Court for Aruba.
he sticks to the shared Common Higher Court.
although he still might want to move that to Aruba i guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 02:23:13 PM
I fail to comprehend why Phil McGraw requires any backup documents from the investigation.

When McGraw implied that Deepak had raped Natalee he was relying on the the Skeeter recording as his source.  Why is Deepak's own words not the only evidence required ... Deepak's own words that can be revealed on the original hard drive which was turned over to the FBI?

Does anyone have an explanation?

Thank you.

Janet

+++++++

Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
December 1, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


Beth Holloway Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 30, 2005


COSBY:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

TWITTY:  No, not that I could see, Rita.  But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!

Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.

I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here. LOL

Rob, thanks for the thought, I'll take a pass.  I don't know where that butt has been. 

    :pig:

I think Lisa should be the one to tan the hide.

 :smt079 :smt079



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 13, 2008, 02:25:32 PM
Mum,

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/chicagoutfit/CarubaInvestmentsaddressfromSECDOC.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 02:35:42 PM
I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!

Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.

I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here. LOL

EEEEEW!!!  This granny declines.

I would rather my purse be made out of vinyl ... plastic ... cloth ... cardboard ... ANYTHING BUT HIDE FROM CHUCK'S BACKSIDE.

Janet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html

Thanks, Rob.

From that thread:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.

What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 13, 2008, 02:57:06 PM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html

Thanks, Rob.

From that thread:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.

What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.




Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking. ********************************************

What a diversion, considering that one party boy abusing their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 13, 2008, 03:19:18 PM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


Hello to you Johann...they posted on the FP, Scared Monkeys.com, but they are in the Shango/Simian reference threads if that is what you need. I don't have the FP links, they are spread out over different days...I am sure some-one else has them though!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0


Just catching up for a bit.

Johan555

I have many of the 'links' to S & S on the Front Page ::MonkeyHaHa:: And the ones I don't have links to -- I have all the posts and dialog copied  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Let me know if you want them


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 13, 2008, 03:21:44 PM
here we go... I found the correct image


Thank you, Rob.

That's the image  ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 03:41:35 PM
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

Janet, you are cracking me up over here. LOL ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dayhiker, sorry I missed you. Those aren't my maps... they are Grande's. I just know where to look. The terrible humor is mine so I have to own up to that.  ::MonkeyWink::

Shar, you're welcome.

caesu, so Rudy is not happy??? hmm imagine that!!! he wants that corrupt POS working all things crooked for Aruba forever. Finding someone that corrupt takes time and energy. Hard to find someone like that over and over again.

+++++++++++++

I can dig up all the Plantation stuff too now that there could be another link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: caesu on May 13, 2008, 03:53:44 PM
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

Janet, you are cracking me up over here. LOL ::MonkeyHaHa::

Dayhiker, sorry I missed you. Those aren't my maps... they are Grande's. I just know where to look. The terrible humor is mine so I have to own up to that.  ::MonkeyWink::

Shar, you're welcome.

caesu, so Rudy is not happy??? hmm imagine that!!! he wants that corrupt POS working all things crooked for Aruba forever. Finding someone that corrupt takes time and energy. Hard to find someone like that over and over again.

+++++++++++++

I can dig up all the Plantation stuff too now that there could be another link.

i don't believe a word Rudy says.

even in this article it becomes clear that this incompetent Steenhuis is put forward to put pressure on Fernandes-Croes to abandon her strike and get back to work.
he said he had a phone call with David Dick, the justice minister of the Antilles.
Dick himself is embrioled in numerous scandals primarly on St. Maarten with police commissioners, public prosecutors and more officials being investigated or sentenced.

i don't get the full story here yet, but it seems to me some all kinds of ploys of the three justice ministers to embarass eachother.
they, especially Croes and Ballin, have been doing that for years - no: decades.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 04:21:04 PM
Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum.  If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 13, 2008, 04:33:44 PM
Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum.  If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0

Can the Shango Simian posts not be posted in the S+S thread in context? I can't even get them all to open when I am in the S+S thread on the pages with their posts TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 04:38:04 PM

OCKHAM'S RAZOR
"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."



I fail to comprehend why Phil McGraw requires any backup documents from the investigation.

When McGraw implied that Deepak had raped Natalee he was relying on the the Skeeter recording as his source.  Why is Deepak's own words not the only evidence required ... Deepak's own words that can be revealed on the original hard drive which was turned over to the FBI?

Does anyone have an explanation?

Thank you.

Janet

+++++++

Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
December 1, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive — the "original" — is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


Beth Holloway Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
November 30, 2005


COSBY:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as they‘re even suggesting?

TWITTY:  No, not that I could see, Rita.  But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/

BUMP!!

HELP!! Any opinions??  I would sincerely appreciate some input.

I desperately require some insight regarding the reasons that McGraw requires documentation from the Natalee Holloway case file when Skeeter's hard drive should stand alone in revealing that Deepak defamed himself.

I have recently learned that "apparently" Dutch law .... does not allow case file documentation to be released while an investigation is still ongoing.

Considering Hans Mos claims the Natalee Holloway investigation is not closed ... maybe this is the current hold-up.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:49:48 PM
Janet, maybe because Jamie is dead and they need collaborating info from the files?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.

I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.

That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 05:08:59 PM
Janet, maybe because Jamie is dead and they need collaborating info from the files?

Thank you Rob.

What will happen if Aruba has a legal position under Dutch law to disregard the American courts demand to disclose? 

I would have thought this would have been all sorted out long ago by Phil McGraw's legal team and the American court system.

When you think about it from theoretic perspective ... it makes perfect sense that documents revealed/released from an ongoing case could compromise an investigation.

I think this is the reason that the Natalee Holloway investigation will NEVER be officially closed.  Aruba will not be put in a position where documents which have the ability to reveal a corrupt investigation have to be released.

Anyways ... what the holdup is in regards to the Deepak/Satish lawsuit against Phil McGraw is very puzzling.

Hey ... I cannot comprehend why Satish is part of this lawsuit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 05:11:01 PM
Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.

I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.

That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.

What does Article 45 state?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 05:31:29 PM
Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.

I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.

That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.

What does Article 45 state?

Janet

something like you stated - documents from an ongoing investigation will not be released. So, you're right.

Max DeVries' case is long over and Yvonne has never received anything. They just say that so they don't have to turn anything over ever. Open / Closed - it makes no difference. Documents never see the light of day again.

And I'm sure Paulus knew / knows that docs are never ever released. I'm sure he felt pretty confidant that there would never be a day while he was alive that his PV or Joran's PV / Witness Statement on 5-30 would ever be seen again. And he's kinda right... the parts that are missing from Paulus' PV have never turned up and I don't think anyone has any idea who might have them. They're probably in the donkey bone drawer.

As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.

I have no idea why Satish is part of the law suit either. He had no income and therefore was not economically harmed. I'm sure the Judge will visit that issue also. The defense is bound to bring it up. And this case isn't about Satish except the part where it is alleged that Deepak said they all had sex with Natalee.

Hey it's sue happy Aruba - if someone looks at you wrong - file an 800 million dollar lawsuit. Lots of thin skinned folks down there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 05:40:13 PM
Janet, I just remembered something...

The Skeeters (the remaining family) asked that Jamie be dropped from the suit, after-all he's not even here to defend himself, but the judge say no way Jose. And Jamie's suit is liable should a verdict go against Jamie.

See, Jamie's family can not even settle his estate and he's been dead since January of 07. Truly heartless. The longer this goes on the more damage could be done to Jamie's survivors.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 05:58:00 PM

<snipped>

As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.


Thanks Rob

The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.

If the Kalpoes cannot legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.

If the Kalpoes will not comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?

It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" make it so complicated.

Janet

++++++++++++++++


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 06:02:03 PM

<snipped>

As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.

<snipped>


Thanks Rob

The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.

If the Kalpoes cannot  legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.

If the Kalpoes will not  comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?

It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" everywhere make it so complicated.

Janet

++++++++++++++++


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

________

Mods ... please delete my previous post.  I really messed up.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 06:05:40 PM
Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum.  If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0

Can the Shango Simian posts not be posted in the S+S thread in context? I can't even get them all to open when I am in the S+S thread on the pages with their posts TIA

Several are posted in Shango 1 thread...unfortunately it would take a lot of space...you are talking about days worth of posting...I have found most people don't want to see them in context...I won't get back on that again...I have already made my feelings known about taking them out of context.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 06:09:12 PM
Rob
I bet Klaas knows who that guy in the photo is. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:22:51 PM
Janet, the mere fact that the case is happening in Ca tells you that anything can and could happen. It's a different set of interpreted laws. That's probably the main problem.

Let's just say that the case proceeds without the requested docs, and that COULD happen - it's California after-all, and let's just say that the Kalpoes win. There will be an appeal filed immediately (and a new trial with-in 6 months), if the Kalpoes are successful in the second instance, the case could be further appealed to the CA Supreme Court or to the 9th Circuit Court.

The 9th Circuit is a Federal court, so it's doubtful it would go there next, but could end up there eventually and that is he most over-turned Federal Court in the United States. The Supreme Court over-turns their decisions more than any other Federal Court. They set the record over there. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have absolutely no idea why this is still on-going. The judge has made a determination that the docs are NEEDED or the case would have already started and concluded. I believe if the docs are not turned over, it will be dismissed. If this was anyone else, I believe it would have been dismissed long ago - but again - it's California.

The Kalpoes may re-file and proceed again, but they might be using Article 45 as an out and might not wish to proceed again.

It's all hard to tell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 13, 2008, 06:24:21 PM
hi, I looked at pictures all nite on this site-have you seen it?  http://www.lago-county.com/index.htm?  d


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
Rob
I bet Klaas knows who that guy in the photo is. ::MonkeyWink::

welll Duh!!! of course Klaas knows everybody  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: always 1 on May 13, 2008, 06:28:40 PM
sorry, http://www.lago-colony.com/index.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 06:30:45 PM
Rob
I bet Klaas knows who that guy in the photo is. ::MonkeyWink::

welll Duh!!! of course Klaas knows everybody  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I even asked her about that guy a year or so ago and can't remember his name...and you think you went DUH!!!! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 13, 2008, 06:32:26 PM
I cannot open the court documents.

IIRC...there is no issue with the release of documents.  The documents were listed, by Deepak (and Satish...and Janet, I don't know why Satish is involved either...) in response to broad interrogatories from the Phil lawyers. Aruba does not have those documents (well maybe the originals), Deepak has them.  My guess is, they figured Phil would settle (bad, bad advise) and they wouldn't have to do squat.

The famous Aruba article 45, translated by a professor Thode (I think) was an open for whatever you think it might mean, story.  It was pointed out that Kock was on air with "case" sensitive material, not to mention Joran and his book....so...article 45 was a joke.  The judge said that the material was integral to the case and Deepak had to produce it. I have no idea why they have been granted so many stays but it is not because they don't have the documents (except of course, the ones that Oomen has that Deepak has not paid for).

I remember Jaime talking about taping Deepak.  Someone else was in the room and heard Deepak's statement....so....there is not only a tape...but a witness.

There has been no statement from the prosecution telling Deepak he can not comply with the US orders.

Phil probably doesn't NEED any documents but he does want them.  It is necessary to prepare a defense when someone claims their livelyhood has been affected....oh that's right Deepak could not come up with the price for counseling (because it is free), nor the price of being off work, because he wasn't.  Guess the Aruban lawyers didn't want to submit statements either...maybe because the system compensates them and there is no cost to Deepak.   :smt102  Sucks to want millions but not be able to show any loss....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2008, 06:32:26 PM
Rob
I bet Klaas knows who that guy in the photo is. ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry, just got back from a Dr. appointment and saw this....what guy in what photo?  I tried reading back and couldn't see what you were referring to.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 06:32:46 PM
hi, I looked at pictures all nite on this site-have you seen it?  http://www.lago-county.com/index.htm?  d
Hi Always1
I don't think I've been there before, but I will check it out; thanks for sharing it with us!
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:33:29 PM
sorry, http://www.lago-colony.com/index.htm

yes, that's where Charles Ratliffe inherited his birth defects, some bubble to the surface - like his sloppy appearance, and ginormous stomach, and some are psychological and manifest a rather nasty disposition and a serious comprehension problems.

did I say all that?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 06:34:15 PM
Thanks Rob.

When Article 45 is considered ... maybe it is being determined by Phil McGraw's attorneys whether Jamie Skeeters' video recording could stand alone as evidence without his testimony.

Apparently there was a former FBI agent and ... an Aruban citizen who were witnesses to the Deepak Kalpoe/Jamie Skeeters' interview.

Janet

++++++++

Jamie Skeeters
'The Abrams Report'
October 7, 2005


ABRAMS: Jamie Skeeters, let‘s be clear, he knew he was being taped or not?

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.

ABRAMS: OK. You‘re saying that yes, you believe he did know he was being taped?

SKEETERS: I have that on tape...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9646352/
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 06:34:39 PM
Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html

Thanks, Rob.

From that thread:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.

What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.



We have seen what the Arubans do down there. All sorts of stuff. Like covering up rapes and murders by their Dutchies, attacking victims and their families, using corrupt judges to set their criminals free, and hiring their journalists to dissiminate misinformation in the media and on the web.

I think that trumps Americans behaving badly in the sin department. Welcome to Hell, Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 13, 2008, 06:34:52 PM
sorry, http://www.lago-colony.com/index.htm

Thanks Always 1 - yes I've seen all the Lago Colony pics but not sure if it helps or pertains to the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 06:34:56 PM
Rob
I bet Klaas knows who that guy in the photo is. ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry, just got back from a Dr. appointment and saw this....what guy in what photo?  I tried reading back and couldn't see what you were referring to.

Hi Klaas,

I hope the doctor was pleased with your progress!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 13, 2008, 06:36:57 PM
sorry, http://www.lago-colony.com/index.htm

yes, that's where Charles Ratliffe inherited his birth defects, some bubble to the surface - like his sloppy appearance, and ginormous stomach, and some are psychological and manifest a rather nasty disposition and a serious comprehension problems.

did I say all that?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 06:37:38 PM
Buckeye ... thank you for your input.  It was appreciated.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:42:48 PM
Buckeye has it exactly right . . . KUDOS!!

and not being able to open the docs is a blessing not a curse  ::MonkeyHaHa::

DR. Phil's attorneys probably don't need the docs, but making the Kalpoes lives a miserable hell is probably totally worth it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 13, 2008, 06:44:48 PM
Buckeye ... thank you for your input.  It was appreciated.

Janet


 ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:46:06 PM

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.


we have seen these people flip before... can't be too careful. Wonder if Gielen has been in contact and if Renfro is offering ----- oh nevermind!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 06:49:05 PM
Janet, the mere fact that the case is happening in Ca tells you that anything can and could happen. It's a different set of interpreted laws. That's probably the main problem.

Let's just say that the case proceeds without the requested docs, and that COULD happen - it's California after-all, and let's just say that the Kalpoes win. There will be an appeal filed immediately (and a new trial with-in 6 months), if the Kalpoes are successful in the second instance, the case could be further appealed to the CA Supreme Court or to the 9th Circuit Court.

The 9th Circuit is a Federal court, so it's doubtful it would go there next, but could end up there eventually and that is he most over-turned Federal Court in the United States. The Supreme Court over-turns their decisions more than any other Federal Court. They set the record over there. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have absolutely no idea why this is still on-going. The judge has made a determination that the docs are NEEDED or the case would have already started and concluded. I believe if the docs are not turned over, it will be dismissed. If this was anyone else, I believe it would have been dismissed long ago - but again - it's California.

The Kalpoes may re-file and proceed again, but they might be using Article 45 as an out and might not wish to proceed again.

It's all hard to tell.


Rob, I have pondered whether someone high up the food chain in our government, perhaps at the request of the Dutch,  has asked them to delay this suit until they finish a more thorough investigation into the Kalpoes and, of course, their good friend Joran. It is the only logical explanation I can think of that explains the case not being tossed out by now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 13, 2008, 06:50:08 PM

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.


we have seen these people flip before... can't be too careful. Wonder if Gielen has been in contact and if Renfro is offering ----- oh nevermind!!!

I wonder if the former FBI was Harold Copus.  I pray it was not Eric Williams but hey ... that is another issue.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Later Monkeys

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 06:53:12 PM
Rob, I have pondered whether someone high up the food chain in our government, perhaps at the request of the Dutch,  has asked them to delay this suit until they finish a more thorough investigation into the Kalpoes and, of course, their good friend Joran. It is the only logical explanation I can think of that explains the case not being tossed out by now.

I used to think the Judiciary was independent of politics, but know better. I can only hope if the case makes it past Deepak screaming for his mommy, that it will be on Court TV.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 07:05:43 PM
Rob, I have pondered whether someone high up the food chain in our government, perhaps at the request of the Dutch,  has asked them to delay this suit until they finish a more thorough investigation into the Kalpoes and, of course, their good friend Joran. It is the only logical explanation I can think of that explains the case not being tossed out by now.

I used to think the Judiciary was independent of politics, but know better. I can only hope if the case makes it past Deepak screaming for his mommy, that it will be on Court TV.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Could be coming down from our Justice Department. I think there would be cooperation there between them and the lower courts. I would think our JD is tightly connected to our State Department. Kneebone thighbone, wink wink!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 13, 2008, 07:11:34 PM
I cannot open the court documents.

IIRC...there is no issue with the release of documents.  The documents were listed, by Deepak (and Satish...and Janet, I don't know why Satish is involved either...) in response to broad interrogatories from the Phil lawyers. Aruba does not have those documents (well maybe the originals), Deepak has them.  My guess is, they figured Phil would settle (bad, bad advise) and they wouldn't have to do squat.

The famous Aruba article 45, translated by a professor Thode (I think) was an open for whatever you think it might mean, story.  It was pointed out that Kock was on air with "case" sensitive material, not to mention Joran and his book....so...article 45 was a joke.  The judge said that the material was integral to the case and Deepak had to produce it. I have no idea why they have been granted so many stays but it is not because they don't have the documents (except of course, the ones that Oomen has that Deepak has not paid for).

I remember Jaime talking about taping Deepak.  Someone else was in the room and heard Deepak's statement....so....there is not only a tape...but a witness.

There has been no statement from the prosecution telling Deepak he can not comply with the US orders.

Phil probably doesn't NEED any documents but he does want them.  It is necessary to prepare a defense when someone claims their livelyhood has been affected....oh that's right Deepak could not come up with the price for counseling (because it is free), nor the price of being off work, because he wasn't.  Guess the Aruban lawyers didn't want to submit statements either...maybe because the system compensates them and there is no cost to Deepak.   :smt102  Sucks to want millions but not be able to show any loss....


Whoever is paying the Kalpoes' legal bills can darn sure afford to pay Oomen off to get the docs released. That tells me the don't want the docs released because they know they will severely damage the Kalpoes' case.

At some point, don't know whether this was in the request, I think the defense lawyers need to demand to know who is paying the Kalpoes' legal bills. That could get interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2008, 07:12:09 PM
Could be coming down from our Justice Department. I think there would be cooperation there between them and the lower courts. I would think our JD is tightly connected to our State Department. Kneebone thighbone, wink wink!

I *think* when we are at a time of war, the State Department should be locked up and meals slid under the door. I don't like career bureaucrats.

If they are involved and we know they are... they like to negotiate a settlement. It's way past settlement time in my opinion and Aruba needs to be totally and completely be held responsible for the cover-up for the crimes of the Sloots.

I really haven't seen anything from Condi Rice and that disappoints me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 13, 2008, 07:38:21 PM
O/T Urgent prayer request in lounge!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 13, 2008, 08:07:36 PM
Definitions of corruption ~

Quote
Whilst there is no single definition for corruption, common definitions include:

Corruption involves behaviour on the part of persons in which they improperly enrich themselves or those close to them by misusing power with which they have been entrusted. In short, corruption is the misuse of public power for personal gain.
National Integrity Promotion Campaign - Namibia


Quote
…corruption is an abuse of (public) power for private gain that hampers the public interest. …corrupt entails a confusion of the private with the public sphere or an illicit exchange between the two spheres. In essence, corrupt practices involve public officials acting in the best interest of private concerns (their own or those of others) regardless of, or against, the public interest.
United Nations Manual on Anti-Corruption Policy

Quote
The solicitation or acceptance by a public official, directly or indirectly, of an undue advantage, for the official himself or herself or another person or entity, in order that the official act or refrain from acting in the exercise of his or her official duties.
Article 8 of the Convention against Transnational Organized Crime


Quote
As a civil servant you should ensure that -
• Your top priority is to act in the public interest.
• You observe the principles of the codes of conduct that
apply to civil servants.
• You adhere strictly to the rules and regulations of the
public service.
• You promote a culture of openness and transparency.


Quote
Corruption frequently goes unreported for a number of reasons. The most obvious reason is that the reporter or whistle blower fears discrimination or victimisation. Other reasons for corruption not being reported are the following:

Both parties are guilty of the same offence and do not want to incriminate themselves;

Ignorance that corruption is a crime;

Lack of confidence in the ability of the police force and other responsible bodies;

A desire not to tie up an organisation’s own resources, for example, the witness does not want to spend time giving evidence in court;

An ineffective criminal justice system;

Fear of negative publicity and embarrassment and

Inconvenience or apathy.

Quote
Whenever you are in doubt about whether your actions are corrupt, ask yourself the following questions:

Are my actions legal?”

Am I being fair and honest?”

How will it look in the newspaper?”

Would I like my child, my mother or my friends to know what I have done?”


http://www.anticorruption.info/index.htm





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2008, 08:15:30 PM
A screen shot of Joran's Myspace account in June 2005.

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/joran23gq-1.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/joran18jc.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 13, 2008, 08:56:24 PM
Eldweans Myspace accounts.
http://www.myspace.com/eldwean 
http://www.myspace.com/aruba_dude 

Of course one of his buddy's on Myspace is Natalee Holloway.
natalee not wanting the world to give up...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=17835889
------------------------------
Steve Croes
Im steve croes bitches and im back on the road
 
(Pictures of his brothers birthday party)Most likely Cheremy Croes.
http://www.myspace.com/djdiablo669aua


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 13, 2008, 10:23:32 PM

<snipped>

As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.


Thanks Rob

The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.

If the Kalpoes cannot legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.

If the Kalpoes will not comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?

It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" make it so complicated.

Janet

++++++++++++++++


John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
September 14, 2007


KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

Janet...maybe...part of the reason for the K2s filing the lawsuit is to make sure the case is  never closed on Arubas' end...I think all the frikkin' b*stards hold onto as much evidence as they can...to *hold* over each others' heads....at some point...someone will break...and once what they have in hand/hold comes to light...everyone will start dumping on each other....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 13, 2008, 10:36:22 PM

SKEETERS: Yes, I have that on tape. I have it witnessed by another former FBI and Deepak himself and another citizen of Aruba.


we have seen these people flip before... can't be too careful. Wonder if Gielen has been in contact and if Renfro is offering ----- oh nevermind!!!

Don't know if Renho is is...last I heard...her knee pads had worn straight through to the mens room bathroom floor...wait!....I forgot about her calloused knees....she probably is then....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 13, 2008, 10:42:30 PM
Rob, I have pondered whether someone high up the food chain in our government, perhaps at the request of the Dutch,  has asked them to delay this suit until they finish a more thorough investigation into the Kalpoes and, of course, their good friend Joran. It is the only logical explanation I can think of that explains the case not being tossed out by now.

I used to think the Judiciary was independent of politics, but know better. I can only hope if the case makes it past Deepak screaming for his mommy, that it will be on Court TV.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 04:00:25 AM
Rob said :
Max DeVries' case is long over and Yvonne has never received anything. They just say that so they don't have to turn anything over ever. Open / Closed - it makes no difference. Documents never see the light of day again.

Was there no investigation at all ?
And in the other case , Amy ?
[BRADLEY, Amy  23 year old woman reported missing on 3-24-98 from a cruise ship en route to Curacao.  Employees on the ship had been talking to her about Carlo’s N Charlie’s on Aruba.  She is believed to be a sex slave in a brothel on Curacao.]



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 14, 2008, 04:51:08 AM
NEW US RAPE KITS COMING


We need to fly some of these in

to Noord and Oranjestad and drop

them in a wide radius out from

the Sloot's and Kalpoe's homes.


http://tinyurl.com/55yuo7


....

Fly 'em in an do a big air drop, like over Burma.

or as I like to call it... that place with the name that is too long

for me to learn how to spell now!!!

Starts with an M.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 06:54:26 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 07:34:28 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html


NO they are one of us, we are friends, a few of us talk to him on the phone he is not Simian trust me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 14, 2008, 07:42:30 AM
Well -- isn't this special  ::MonkeyNoNo::

And Disney considers itself a 'family oriented' cruise line.  And Aruba is going to 'greet' 500 children  ::MonkeyShocked:: Please tell me Marten is still in Thailand  ::MonkeyNoNo::




http://www.cruisecommunity.com/ShowStory.asp?ID=14232

Aruba gears up for first Disney Magic call
8/5/2008

On May 14, Aruba will welcome the maiden call of Disney Magic to Oranjestad. The ship will be on a 15-night trans-Canal voyage to Los Angeles that will position it for the start of a summer season of Mexican Riviera voyages.

Kathleen Rojer, executive director of Aruba Cruise Tourism, her staff and a team from the Aruba Ports Authority will be at the terminal to greet the passengers, including approximately 500 children.

Ship agent SEL Maduro & Sons is working with Disney Cruise Line on a special welcome ceremony.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 08:17:56 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html



Hello Johan... some of us in the Shango thread think that Simian/Merian has been identified. The posts start here and go over a few pages. First there are some Merian Ernest posts and then you can follow the posters discussions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.440



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 08:37:02 AM
Aruba: Boycott Watch was Right!

Summary: New statements by Aruban Tourism officials proves Boycott Watch caught Aruba in a lie, and that Aruba wanted to cash in on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Boycott Watch was first to break the story that Aruba lied about its tourism numbers, claiming tourism was up despite the boycott of Aruba called after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. An article in eTurboNews dated January 16, 2008 was just brought to our attention in which an Aruba official clearly indicates Boycott Watch was right all along.

In the article by Hazel Heyer, Aruba's minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen was quotes saying "We were strongly hit by this incident ... In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. It's been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended."

This is the first time that Aruba has openly admitted their economy was hit hard by the boycott against them. Aruba originally claimed the boycott did nothing but draw attention to Aruba thus increase tourism, but Boycott Watch uncovered the numbers to prove Aruba was severely hurt by the boycott early on in the boycott.

While Aruba now says they expect an increase in tourism revenue because the Natalee Holloway disappearance is out of the news, Boycott Watch stated the Aruba economy hit its low point in a previous article, so the islands economy can only go up anyhow. In the mean time, considering the fact that the Natalee Holloway case is still open and no prosecution has been made despite the Joran Van der Sloot confession, Boycott Watch believes Aruba tourism will not fully recover for a long time. While many college students want to go to Aruba for spring break to take advantage of the lax underage drinking and drug law enforcement there, many parents are still objecting to their kids going to Aruba out of concerns for safety, and many parents won't go either.

The boycott was started and driven by blogger Michelle Simonsen at the Boycott Aruba--Justice For Natalee blog, and was picked up by the Governor of Alabama among many others. The boycott took on a life of its own, as Americans were upset at Aruba for seemingly doing nothing in the case. Now, many Americans are still upset because even after a passenger-seat confession of Joran Van der Sloot, Aruba has failed to take any action to prosecute anyone in the case.

Briesen appeared arrogant in the interview. When asked about the Holloway family, Briesen stated "We've been very cooperative," something Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, surely disagrees with, as demonstrated by the number of times she has been on TV stating her disappointment with the way Aruba has been handling the case and treating her personally.

In the interview, Briesen also echoed a claim by Aruban Tourism officials early in the boycott by saying "more people now know about Aruba." In both cases, these words were used to claim tourism was up because of free publicity. The only problem with that original claim is that it was a complete lie as evidenced by the fact that Briesen admitted Aruba tourism was hit hard by the boycott. There is, therefore, no reason to believe Briesen now either.

Boycott Watch believes Briesen was attempting to once again bask in self-glorification by taking pride in the media attention garnered by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Simply stated, Boycott Watch finds these statements feeding off the probable murder of Natalee Holloway to be repulsive at best.

The most interesting statement by Briesen in the interview was when he stated "…I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us." This is another de facto admission that Aruba feels it was deeply hit by the boycott. Briesen continued: "We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this don't happen in Aruba." But it did.

Boycott Watch President Fred Taub responded by saying "If Aruba is the safest island in the entire western hemisphere as Briesen believes, perhaps his own Iraq comparison has merit."

http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba13.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 08:49:46 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 09:18:30 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html



Hello Johan... some of us in the Shango thread think that Simian/Merian has been identified. The posts start here and go over a few pages. First there are some Merian Ernest posts and then you can follow the posters discussions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.440



thanks

she does not have the ability to check the IP addy on any of those posts.
why is that impossible ? you can check that in the admin area


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:25:21 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html



Hello Johan... some of us in the Shango thread think that Simian/Merian has been identified. The posts start here and go over a few pages. First there are some Merian Ernest posts and then you can follow the posters discussions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.440



thanks

she does not have the ability to check the IP addy on any of those posts.
why is that impossible ? you can check that in the admin area

The Merian Ernest posts are the ones I can't check IP on, Simian I can.  Simian posted on the front page of SM and was posting from Aruba.  Merian Ernest posted a few different places, one was RWV and it appears was using the same email address that Simian was using so I'd guess they are the same person (Simian/Merian).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 09:30:46 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html



Hello Johan... some of us in the Shango thread think that Simian/Merian has been identified. The posts start here and go over a few pages. First there are some Merian Ernest posts and then you can follow the posters discussions.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.440



thanks

she does not have the ability to check the IP addy on any of those posts.
why is that impossible ? you can check that in the admin area

The Merian Ernest posts are the ones I can't check IP on, Simian I can.  Simian posted on the front page of SM and was posting from Aruba.  Merian Ernest posted a few different places, one was RWV and it appears was using the same email address that Simian was using so I'd guess they are the same person (Simian/Merian).

when Merian is still a member here you can check the Ip .
when she or he is gone as a member  you can find a old ip back in a forum Back up .
And when you have a email adress what is working you can also check the IP
What is RWV ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:35:25 AM
Johan - There are some posts from the SM forum that are missing from July 2005 on.  I cannot find any Merian Ernest posts in the SM forum nor the front page of SM.  We had a couple of crashes in 2005 so I know alot is still missing. 

RWV = Real World View and was covering the NH case early on as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 09:45:29 AM
i thinks this writer  is the same person as simian ,they same style

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html


 ::MonkeyShocked::

I don't think so.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 09:47:29 AM
I think it is Ernest Merian  a writer
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/701-1979650-0689937?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-ca&field-author=Ernest%20Merian


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 10:08:47 AM
I think it is Ernest Merian  a writer
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/701-1979650-0689937?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-ca&field-author=Ernest%20Merian

Hi johan555,

IMO, he combined the names of the directors of King Kong.
Merian C. Cooper
Ernest B. Schoedsack

This was his sig line when he was posting here:
"Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 10:36:12 AM
this is a post on riehwv:
Merian Ernest, you are doing such a good job, here. Please accept my congratulations and keep writing
------

Hopefloats:

Is has to be about money. That is why FOX and CNN are exploiting this. That is why Greta is doing her show from Aruba. It is not a public service. They are selling ads. They test audiences. Would you rather hear the story about the war in Iraq or the story of a mystery in an island Paradise?

To make it more interesting the news networks will strectch the truth as far as it can go. It is not that Arubans do not know that. Community and business leaders in Aruba are educated in the US and Europe, so it is not that we do not know how things fucntion in other societies. All of them are in awe of the twisting of truths that cable news is giving to not only the case, but also the island's reputation. On the other hand the NBC, CBS and ABC have been reporting in a completely different tone.

If Aruba were so low and dirty. How come so many American multi-nationals are established on the island? How come the US Immigration and Customs has one of the largest pre-clearance installations outside of the US borders? How come the US is building a major Forward Operating Location for their miliraty operations?

There is no anti-American sentiment on the island. Americans have been investing and have been part of Aruba fabric of society since 1929. The one person who shouted "Americans go home!" during the protest was an American lady herself who has been living on the island for many years.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:36 AM
---------The idea to call in Deep Sea Divers was suggested to Aruba's PM by Mr. Miller of the Texas Equusearch.

There's a container that seems to be holding what looks like a body that was detected by the sonar equipment.

Besides that, did you know that the persons who abducted and killed Mr. Miller's daughter were never found, never brought to justice?

Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 08:54 AM
--------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


and WERE THE HELL IS THIS ON aruba
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/GRAVE.jpg?t=1210775657)







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 10:36:46 AM
I think it is Ernest Merian  a writer
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/701-1979650-0689937?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-ca&field-author=Ernest%20Merian

Hi johan555,

IMO, he combined the names of the directors of King Kong.
Merian C. Cooper
Ernest B. Schoedsack

This was his sig line when he was posting here:
"Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast."

 ::MonkeyShocked::

vms ... I am impressed!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 10:44:07 AM
Lots of info is discussed in Shango about these posters...you guys should really venture into that forum on occasion.  Rob has the courage...he comes out unscathed...most days. LOL

I know it's hard to do...especially lately since things are slightly off track..but it's there if you want to sort through it all...MuminOhio keeps a great log on everything there.  I have the summary index finished for Shango 1, but I don't know how to get past the 14 pages it has become. LOL 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 10:50:37 AM

Remember merian ernest an “where is jake?”

Was there a person missing on Aruba named  Jake ?Merian ernest child ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/288910357LktuRP_fs.jpg?t=1210776393)

Zoom:
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/288910357LktuRP_fskopie.jpg?t=1210776533)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 10:55:07 AM
Johan...it may be the pet Cemetary...not sure?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 14, 2008, 11:09:10 AM
Rob, I have pondered whether someone high up the food chain in our government, perhaps at the request of the Dutch,  has asked them to delay this suit until they finish a more thorough investigation into the Kalpoes and, of course, their good friend Joran. It is the only logical explanation I can think of that explains the case not being tossed out by now.

I used to think the Judiciary was independent of politics, but know better. I can only hope if the case makes it past Deepak screaming for his mommy, that it will be on Court TV.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Aruba: Boycott Watch was Right!

Summary: New statements by Aruban Tourism officials proves Boycott Watch caught Aruba in a lie, and that Aruba wanted to cash in on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Boycott Watch was first to break the story that Aruba lied about its tourism numbers, claiming tourism was up despite the boycott of Aruba called after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. An article in eTurboNews dated January 16, 2008 was just brought to our attention in which an Aruba official clearly indicates Boycott Watch was right all along.

In the article by Hazel Heyer, Aruba's minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen was quotes saying "We were strongly hit by this incident ... In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. It's been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended."

This is the first time that Aruba has openly admitted their economy was hit hard by the boycott against them. Aruba originally claimed the boycott did nothing but draw attention to Aruba thus increase tourism, but Boycott Watch uncovered the numbers to prove Aruba was severely hurt by the boycott early on in the boycott.

While Aruba now says they expect an increase in tourism revenue because the Natalee Holloway disappearance is out of the news, Boycott Watch stated the Aruba economy hit its low point in a previous article, so the islands economy can only go up anyhow. In the mean time, considering the fact that the Natalee Holloway case is still open and no prosecution has been made despite the Joran Van der Sloot confession, Boycott Watch believes Aruba tourism will not fully recover for a long time. While many college students want to go to Aruba for spring break to take advantage of the lax underage drinking and drug law enforcement there, many parents are still objecting to their kids going to Aruba out of concerns for safety, and many parents won't go either.

The boycott was started and driven by blogger Michelle Simonsen at the Boycott Aruba--Justice For Natalee blog, and was picked up by the Governor of Alabama among many others. The boycott took on a life of its own, as Americans were upset at Aruba for seemingly doing nothing in the case. Now, many Americans are still upset because even after a passenger-seat confession of Joran Van der Sloot, Aruba has failed to take any action to prosecute anyone in the case.

Briesen appeared arrogant in the interview. When asked about the Holloway family, Briesen stated "We've been very cooperative," something Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway-Twitty, surely disagrees with, as demonstrated by the number of times she has been on TV stating her disappointment with the way Aruba has been handling the case and treating her personally.

In the interview, Briesen also echoed a claim by Aruban Tourism officials early in the boycott by saying "more people now know about Aruba." In both cases, these words were used to claim tourism was up because of free publicity. The only problem with that original claim is that it was a complete lie as evidenced by the fact that Briesen admitted Aruba tourism was hit hard by the boycott. There is, therefore, no reason to believe Briesen now either.

Boycott Watch believes Briesen was attempting to once again bask in self-glorification by taking pride in the media attention garnered by the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Simply stated, Boycott Watch finds these statements feeding off the probable murder of Natalee Holloway to be repulsive at best.

The most interesting statement by Briesen in the interview was when he stated "…I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us." This is another de facto admission that Aruba feels it was deeply hit by the boycott. Briesen continued: "We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this don't happen in Aruba." But it did.

Boycott Watch President Fred Taub responded by saying "If Aruba is the safest island in the entire western hemisphere as Briesen believes, perhaps his own Iraq comparison has merit."

http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba13.htm

Thanks for this article Blonde ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 11:10:03 AM
Yes, I think it probably is the Pet Cemetary.

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1530522419012292829kHuOIN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 11:14:19 AM
Pet cemetary for sure. ...down by Baby Beach and the Valero refinery.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
I think it is Ernest Merian  a writer
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/701-1979650-0689937?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books-ca&field-author=Ernest%20Merian

Hi johan555,

IMO, he combined the names of the directors of King Kong.
Merian C. Cooper
Ernest B. Schoedsack

This was his sig line when he was posting here:
"Oh, no. It wasn't the airplanes. It was Beauty killed the Beast."

 ::MonkeyShocked::

vms ... I am impressed!

Janet

Hi Janet,

I can't take credit for that.
Someone else figured that out in the old Codetalker's section back in 2005 when Merian was still posting. :lol:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 11:18:14 AM
I remeber some speculating early on that maybe Natalee was buried in the pet cemetary....and wondering if this would confuse the search dogs .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 11:19:32 AM
or is this a hint were Natalee's Body is ?

Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”

a post of disgustedmom on SM

disgustedmom: If you think those are strange, try this one.

In Dave’s book on page 56 he mentions a dvd he received and it had on it in Anita’s voice that Natalee was buried with a family member. Dave only repeated not originated.
Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 11:22:51 AM
Looks like it's a pet cemetary - baby beach - Port, Aruba

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/flychick/catching_up-001/1124135220/dsc02481.jpg/tpod.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
or is this a hint were Natalee's Body is ?

Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”

a post of disgustedmom on SM

disgustedmom: If you think those are strange, try this one.

In Dave’s book on page 56 he mentions a dvd he received and it had on it in Anita’s voice that Natalee was buried with a family member. Dave only repeated not originated.
Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”




I don't remember Merian and the "Where is jake?" comment. Was it Simian? There was a person using the Jake nic on the front page...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 11:35:41 AM
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:57 pm
I mentioned yesterday that there is a gap in the timeline. Where’s Jake?


To clarify, I do believe Merian and Simian were the same person... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Lost Anita a Pet/child ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 11:36:59 AM
or is this a hint were Natalee's Body is ?

Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”

a post of disgustedmom on SM

disgustedmom: If you think those are strange, try this one.

In Dave’s book on page 56 he mentions a dvd he received and it had on it in Anita’s voice that Natalee was buried with a family member. Dave only repeated not originated.
Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”




I don't remember Merian and the "Where is jake?" comment. Was it Simian? There was a person using the Jake nic on the front page...


I remember Simian asking something about Jake - the poster. It may have been 'where is Jake?'



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 11:41:46 AM
What was the name of the dog that Joran killed


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 11:42:08 AM
or is this a hint were Natalee's Body is ?

Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”

a post of disgustedmom on SM

disgustedmom: If you think those are strange, try this one.

In Dave’s book on page 56 he mentions a dvd he received and it had on it in Anita’s voice that Natalee was buried with a family member. Dave only repeated not originated.
Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”




I don't remember Merian and the "Where is jake?" comment. Was it Simian? There was a person using the Jake nic on the front page...


I remember Simian asking something about Jake - the poster. It may have been 'where is Jake?'




Quick google search...

SIMIAN/SHANGO POSTSSIMIAN/SHANGO POSTS. ... Jake your sarcams is typical of your upbringing. .... Where’s Jake?  Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:58 pm ...
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1194.0;


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
Context!!  This is why you have to read this stuff in context...he was looking for a poster named Jake. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
or is this a hint were Natalee's Body is ?

Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”

a post of disgustedmom on SM

disgustedmom: If you think those are strange, try this one.

In Dave’s book on page 56 he mentions a dvd he received and it had on it in Anita’s voice that Natalee was buried with a family member. Dave only repeated not originated.
Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 56


One week later, we received the DVD.  The package wa small and upon opening it, a letter dropped out.  The writer claimed that the technology was registered with an attorney.

He said that lie detectors work on the nervous system, while his technology uses the human voice.  He stated, "This new techology reveals a person's subconscious thoughts, and the Lord has created the brain which has embedded these thoughts for analysis.  With the use of a computor, one can slow up or speed up speech and also run it backwards."

That's right, backward, and that is what he did to get to what he called the truth ...

Also, Antita's words were reversed and translated so she was speaking backwards, and we could hear her saying that Natalee was buried in a cemetery on top of a family member or friend whom she named.

Though it all seemed outrageous, I decided to leave no stone unturned and gave the clue to the investigators.  No big surprise the tape proved to be useless to us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 14, 2008, 11:45:47 AM
What was the name of the dog that Joran killed

I thought of that too, Blonde.

But I think I should go back and read Simians's post in context... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 11:45:50 AM
What was the name of the dog that Joran killed

Arubagirl first told us about Joran killing his dog.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 11:46:57 AM
What was the name of the dog that Joran killed

Chroller or groller  or something


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 14, 2008, 11:47:52 AM
What was the name of the dog that Joran killed

Arubagirl first told us about Joran killing his dog.

Did we ever know the name of that dog?
I only remember the pic of his dog Choller he posted on Zorpia.

http://photos.zorpia.com/loverboy362/photo/6689119.a87da3/Choller_(My_Dog_%3A))


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 14, 2008, 01:05:26 PM
Choller was not the dog that he killed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 14, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
I'd like to have a dime for every time I have repeated that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 01:14:11 PM
or is this a hint were Natalee's Body is ?

Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”

a post of disgustedmom on SM

disgustedmom: If you think those are strange, try this one.

In Dave’s book on page 56 he mentions a dvd he received and it had on it in Anita’s voice that Natalee was buried with a family member. Dave only repeated not originated.
Remember merian ernest and “where is jake?”


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 56/57


One week later, we received the DVD.  The package was small and upon opening it, a letter dropped out.  The writer claimed that the technology was registered with an attorney.

He said that lie detectors work on the nervous system, while his technology uses the human voice.  He stated, "This new techology reveals a person's subconscious thoughts, and the Lord has created the brain which has embedded these thoughts for analysis.  With the use of a computor, one can slow up or speed up speech and also run it backwards."

That's right, backward, and that is what he did to get to what he called the truth ...

Also, Antita's words were reversed and translated so she was speaking backwards, and we could hear her saying that Natalee was buried in a cemetery on top of a family member or friend whom she named.

Though it all seemed outrageous, I decided to leave no stone unturned and gave the clue to the investigators.  No big surprise the tape proved to be useless to us.

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 55


Another unusual experience that we had came from a man who contacted us claiming to have sent a DVD to my ex-wife, Beth, in Alabama.  He detailed how he had a confession from Joran van der Sloot's father, Paulus, on the DVD and said that Beth had not yet picked up his proof from the post office.  I asked Larry Garrison to follow up on this one by calling him.  The man was sleeping, and his wife had to drag him out of bed to speak with Larry.  He claimed to have technology that proved that Joran's father said on national television that he kidnapped and killed my daughter.  He then exclaimed that his technology was so technical that if it fell into the wrong hands, the president and mankind would be in jeopardy.  At that point, Larry thought this guy was going to be added to the list of the certificably insane people ....

Continued ... See above post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 01:20:07 PM
I'd like to have a dime for every time I have repeated that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Nut

I do believe that Tamikosmom whoes claim to fame is the nickname "roboposter" would be one rich granny if ...

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 01:21:23 PM
Hi Destiny

Hugs

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 01:29:35 PM
I'd like to have a dime for every time I have repeated that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 14, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Hi Destiny

Hugs

Janet

(((((((((((((((Janet)))))))))))))))))

Back acha Janet ;-)

Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 01:31:10 PM
I will repeat for Nut. 

We DO NOT know the name of the dog that Joran killed except we know it was not Choller because Choller is alive (as far as I can tell).  I believe Choller is one of the current dogs still residing in Montanja with the VDS's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 02:26:56 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 14, 2008, 02:32:19 PM
A scooby snack I found...lesst's search out Joran's buddy...name in post....

  11.

      Johnny says,

      May 7, 2008 on 9:42 am

      7th May 2008
      Re. The Disappearance/ Murder of Natalee Holloway.
      Hello, my name is Johnny.
      I live on a small island in the Gulf of Thailand called, Koh Tao.
      As recently as yesterday afternoon, Goran Van Der Sloot left this island. Myself and friends (Tony & Phil) confronted him two nights ago, re. his present situation.
      I run a small bike shop from which Goran and his travel companion, Solahian Daniel rented their scooters during the 4 day holiday visit to the island.
      We have information that Gorans’ passport was lost locally here, so now he will have to go to his embassy in Bangkok to apply for a new passport.
      We have already contacted the Thai national press and made them aware of the situation.
      Best Regards,
      Johnny, Tony & Phil.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2008, 02:35:38 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

Thanks....we've heard a little about this, but it's always nice to hear it from other sources.  Good to see you & hope all is well with you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 02:37:27 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
Maybe we will find out what size shoe Joran really wears.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Destiny on May 14, 2008, 02:43:13 PM
Hi Kyle!

Good to see you back in the cage with the rest of us Monkeys ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 02:44:49 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

Hi OE, good to see you.  Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 02:49:13 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.



Janet, I don't think that is the same pond that OE and Caps are talking about.  Is it????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 02:51:23 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.



Janet, I don't think that is the same pond that OE and Caps are talking about.  Is it????

Not the same pond.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 14, 2008, 02:58:05 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

Thank you ocean!   We await the results......if any.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
Thanks all.  I don't know what pond Caps is talking about.  I'm referring to the pond we searched back in February.

I hope you're all well. 

Best Regards,

~Kyle


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
Thanks all.  I don't know what pond Caps is talking about.  I'm referring to the pond we searched back in February.

I hope you're all well. 

Best Regards,

~Kyle

Can you confirm the location of the pond you searched?  It may only be me who doesn't know or remember. (if so, I'm sorry I have to ask)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:05:01 PM
Thanks all.  I don't know what pond Caps is talking about.  I'm referring to the pond we searched back in February.

I hope you're all well. 

Best Regards,

~Kyle

Thanks for the wishes.  Some are better than others.  We almost lost Klaas.

Are any of your people there?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:07:14 PM
Thanks all.  I don't know what pond Caps is talking about.  I'm referring to the pond we searched back in February.

I hope you're all well. 

Best Regards,

~Kyle

Can you confirm the location of the pond you searched?  It may only be me who doesn't know or remember. (if so, I'm sorry I have to ask)

Was it the one you searched with the tall guy in the little boat with the sonar?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 03:07:52 PM
Before I have everyone confused here...and I do not intend to  do that at all...let me clarify....the pond on the statement that Janet highlighted is not the pond that Caps is talking about...the pond Caps is talking about is the same as the one OE is talking about.

Well, that confused me so let me try this again....Caps and OE are talking about the SAME pond...Dave was talking about the pond near the racquet club in 2005.  Sorry if I was not clear before.  Maybe those forensic people will find something in there...little pieces of things tossed and thought to be hidden forever. Wouldn't that be nice?   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
Before I have everyone confused here...and I do not intend to  do that at all...let me clarify....the pond on the statement that Janet highlighted is not the pond that Caps is talking about...the pond Caps is talking about is the same as the one OE is talking about.

Well, that confused me so let me try this again....Caps and OE are talking about the SAME pond...Dave was talking about the pond near the racquet club in 2005.  Sorry if I was not clear before.  Maybe those forensic people will find something in there...little pieces of things tossed and thought to be hidden forever. Wouldn't that be nice?   

That would be great. 

I bet you (Lala's) would even trade some pencils in just to hear that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
Before I have everyone confused here...and I do not intend to  do that at all...let me clarify....the pond on the statement that Janet highlighted is not the pond that Caps is talking about...the pond Caps is talking about is the same as the one OE is talking about.

Well, that confused me so let me try this again....Caps and OE are talking about the SAME pond...Dave was talking about the pond near the racquet club in 2005.  Sorry if I was not clear before.  Maybe those forensic people will find something in there...little pieces of things tossed and thought to be hidden forever. Wouldn't that be nice?   

OE said he didn't know what pond Caps was talking about.....now, you are saying they are talking about the same one.  In part, that's why I asked OE the location of the pond they searched in February. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 03:13:38 PM
Almost lost Klaas??????  Oh no. You've got to be kidding! 
 ::MonkeyShocked::    ::MonkeyEek::


The pond I'm referring to under investigation is at:

12 degrees, 33 minutes, 54.5 seconds north,
70 degrees, 2 minutes, 3.9 seconds west.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
OE, since you said this on 3/20, I am going to assume it was absolutely necessary (even though it was not about NH):

Greetings,
I personally don't like draining ponds unless absolutely necessary.  The larger the body or water the more cost-effective and efficient a side scan sonar is.  A scanning sonar can be used in smaller ponds.  TES now has connections with people who can best handle this type of search in my opinion.  I think you're on the right track and I wish you and the family well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:18:10 PM
Almost lost Klaas??????  Oh no. You've got to be kidding! 
 ::MonkeyShocked::    ::MonkeyEek::


The pond I'm referring to under investigation is at:

12 degrees, 33 minutes, 54.5 seconds north,
70 degrees, 2 minutes, 3.9 seconds west.

No, I am not kidding, she had respiratory failure and was in the hospital.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 03:18:16 PM
Almost lost Klaas??????  Oh no. You've got to be kidding! 
 ::MonkeyShocked::    ::MonkeyEek::


The pond I'm referring to under investigation is at:

12 degrees, 33 minutes, 54.5 seconds north,
70 degrees, 2 minutes, 3.9 seconds west.

Oh cripes. Oh Lalas Miss Lalas .... a new notebook for a map?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2008, 03:18:34 PM
Almost lost Klaas??????  Oh no. You've got to be kidding! 
 ::MonkeyShocked::    ::MonkeyEek::


The pond I'm referring to under investigation is at:

12 degrees, 33 minutes, 54.5 seconds north,
70 degrees, 2 minutes, 3.9 seconds west.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Oh, yes, I know exactly where it is, now....have to find my navigator hat...

Yes, Klaas was very ill a couple of weeks back with serious respiratory failure.....but thankfully, she's recovering and back in the cage..... 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 03:23:17 PM
OE, since you said this on 3/20, I am going to assume it was absolutely necessary (even though it was not about NH):

Greetings,
I personally don't like draining ponds unless absolutely necessary.  The larger the body or water the more cost-effective and efficient a side scan sonar is.  A scanning sonar can be used in smaller ponds.  TES now has connections with people who can best handle this type of search in my opinion.  I think you're on the right track and I wish you and the family well.


Wow.  I hope Klaas is doing well and thankfully still with us! 

My understanding is the pond draining was absolutely necessary.  The purpose for the sonar search in the pond was to build a case to drain it.  Apparently there was enough interest to go ahead with it. We'll see how it goes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 03:23:22 PM
Aruba: Boycott Watch was Right!

<snipped>

In the article by Hazel Heyer, Aruba's minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen was quotes saying "We were strongly hit by this incident ... In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event.



What Briesen is really saying is this is the first time they've gotten caught covering up the murder of a tourist.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 03:30:19 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

OE was the pond pumped dry, or was it due to evaporation? (if you know) ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 03:31:03 PM
give me a second to earth google it and I'll post the pond


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:34:33 PM
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.


(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Bondia022808search.jpg)

OE 2/27


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

OE was the pond pumped dry, or was it due to evaporation? (if you know) ::MonkeyWink::

whoops, should have read ahead. thanks- they drained it...slow drain though!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:37:12 PM
OE, since you said this on 3/20, I am going to assume it was absolutely necessary (even though it was not about NH):

Greetings,
I personally don't like draining ponds unless absolutely necessary.  The larger the body or water the more cost-effective and efficient a side scan sonar is.  A scanning sonar can be used in smaller ponds.  TES now has connections with people who can best handle this type of search in my opinion.  I think you're on the right track and I wish you and the family well.


Wow.  I hope Klaas is doing well and thankfully still with us! 

My understanding is the pond draining was absolutely necessary.  The purpose for the sonar search in the pond was to build a case to drain it.  Apparently there was enough interest to go ahead with it. We'll see how it goes.

You and the monkeys, too. 

It's still very raw.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 03:40:44 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.



Three years later the "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation decide to "completely" drain the pond.

 ::MonkeyRoll::


The pond witness retracted her statement ... something akin to the girls who claimed Joran van der Sloot had sexually assaulted them.  Then there is the gardener's testimony before a judge in an Aruban court ...

Janet

+++++++++

THE POND WITNESS

TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005


T.J. WARD, INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY NATALEE`S FAMILY: Well, I don`t know how she could change her story because when I took her statement from her, she described a car to a T. And then about 30 minutes later, I came back with a picture from law enforcement that was used when they took the -- Deepak`s car into custody and took pictures of it. And she specifically said, That`s the car.  That`s the car that I saw a week after the 28th -- I mean, the 29th and 30th of May, that was seen three times in the subdivision of the racquet club, where she lives, and was around the subdivision ...

The funny thing about this is if the gardener`s story is correct ...  then this, in fact, would put this in the vicinity where it`s happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


JORAN'S SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006


TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


THE GARDENER

Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005


COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:42:31 PM
In my opinion...

If God wills it... Natalee's remains will be found in the manner and timing that God wills it to happen.  Mark my words. That timing will be divinely perfect. From my experience, this generally happens in a manner that defies logic, is beyond chance, and confounds the ways of the wise with the actions of the weak. After it's complete, anyone who looks at the details will be left with no other explanation that there is a loving, caring, omniscient God behind it all.  By the works one knows the worksman.

During the process we are presented with two major challenges: 1) to look beyond all the garbage to see God's hand working in the situation as it unfolds, step by step.  By garbage, I mean the temptation to take full control over the situation, distractions from both well-intended people and opportunists, and discouragement.
2) Stay the course.  His course.  I believe if we overcome these challenges, we will be successful by God's view of success.  Hopefully in this case, His view of success overlaps with ours.  We'll see.
 

I think I may have figured this out.

Nice post OE.  Hopefully God's time is now!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 03:43:48 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.



Three years later the "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation decide to "completely" drain the pond.

 ::MonkeyRoll::


The pond witness retracted her statement ... something akin to the girls who claimed Joran van der Sloot had sexually assaulted them.  Then there is the gardener's testimony before a judge in an Aruban court ...

Janet

+++++++++

THE POND WITNESS

TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005


T.J. WARD, INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY NATALEE`S FAMILY: Well, I don`t know how she could change her story because when I took her statement from her, she described a car to a T. And then about 30 minutes later, I came back with a picture from law enforcement that was used when they took the -- Deepak`s car into custody and took pictures of it. And she specifically said, That`s the car.  That`s the car that I saw a week after the 28th -- I mean, the 29th and 30th of May, that was seen three times in the subdivision of the racquet club, where she lives, and was around the subdivision ...

The funny thing about this is if the gardener`s story is correct ...  then this, in fact, would put this in the vicinity where it`s happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


JORAN'S SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006


TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


THE GARDENER

Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005


COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

HELLO....JANET.....DIFFERENT POND!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::Please read back, this is just going to confuse people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:45:09 PM
TM

I don't know how you pull things up so fast.  I had two left thumbs and crashed my photobucket.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 03:48:16 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.



Janet, I don't think that is the same pond that OE and Caps are talking about.  Is it????

Kyle ... are you referring to the pond near the Racquet Ball Club?

YES?  NO?

Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 03:50:04 PM
Kyle, are you still here?

I'm getting 12.33.54.5 as in front on the Marriott (actually behind the Marriott on the beach). .34 -.35 in slightly north and there is a pond. Do I have the correct pond?

on 70.2.3.9 - it is directly across from the racquet club. Is this the correct pond before I screen capture it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 03:51:08 PM
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.
   
All the best

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Well, what they were doing, I think, was the pond that they drained, they feel like possibly he may have been cutting across the beach, back to the racquet club, and got stuck in the mud and lost his shoes.

That`s the only plausible explanation I could think of. The police have not told me specifically what the reasoning is, but, as you`re well aware, the gardener pinpointed them at the racquet club in her vehicle. So I think the shoes may have been lost, maybe cutting across the field from the beach area.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

___________


HI KYLE!!!  IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.



Three years later the "powers that be" in the Natalee Holloway investigation decide to "completely" drain the pond.

 ::MonkeyRoll::


The pond witness retracted her statement ... something akin to the girls who claimed Joran van der Sloot had sexually assaulted them.  Then there is the gardener's testimony before a judge in an Aruban court ...

Janet

+++++++++

THE POND WITNESS

TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005


T.J. WARD, INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY NATALEE`S FAMILY: Well, I don`t know how she could change her story because when I took her statement from her, she described a car to a T. And then about 30 minutes later, I came back with a picture from law enforcement that was used when they took the -- Deepak`s car into custody and took pictures of it. And she specifically said, That`s the car.  That`s the car that I saw a week after the 28th -- I mean, the 29th and 30th of May, that was seen three times in the subdivision of the racquet club, where she lives, and was around the subdivision ...

The funny thing about this is if the gardener`s story is correct ...  then this, in fact, would put this in the vicinity where it`s happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


JORAN'S SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006


TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


THE GARDENER

Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005


COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.

HELLO....JANET.....DIFFERENT POND!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::Please read back, this is just going to confuse people.

IMO ... a point is made nevertheless.

Where are all the witnesses who have the ability to implicate Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 03:55:26 PM
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.
***********************************************
Klaas writes:

I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Bondia022808search.jpg)

OE 2/27

I'm sorry monks, the article was Klaas's quote.

Edit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 03:56:50 PM
Kyle, are you still here?

I'm getting 12.33.54.5 as in front on the Marriott (actually behind the Marriott on the beach). .34 -.35 in slightly north and there is a pond. Do I have the correct pond?

on 70.2.3.9 - it is directly across from the racquet club. Is this the correct pond before I screen capture it?


I was going off memory.  Capture it and I'll confirm or deny the pond.  It was just north of Rt. 3 if I recall. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 03:59:01 PM
Kyle, are you still here?

I'm getting 12.33.54.5 as in front on the Marriott (actually behind the Marriott on the beach). .34 -.35 in slightly north and there is a pond. Do I have the correct pond?

on 70.2.3.9 - it is directly across from the racquet club. Is this the correct pond before I screen capture it?

ha ha ! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:00:08 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond4.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:01:39 PM
The pond that was scanned in February was the Monserat pond...the pond Janet is referring to is the one near the racquet club.  Now, I am beginning to wonder what pond. LOL  The pond Caps said was fenced off and secured was the Monserat pond....the one near the Lekker Chinese restaurant...near the soccer fields...

Remember....one straight path....? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 04:03:10 PM
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.
***********************************************
Klaas writes:

I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Bondia022808search.jpg)

OE 2/27

I'm sorry monks, the article was Klaas's quote.

Edit

Is this the one OE?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 04:05:52 PM
Sorry Rob, that's not the pond. 

The tiny pond is about 0.15-0.2 west of the intersection of Rt. 3 and Rt. 2.  It's on the north side of Rt. 3 next to the soccer field.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.
***********************************************
Klaas writes:

I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Bondia022808search.jpg)

OE 2/27

I'm sorry monks, the article was Klaas's quote.

Edit

Is this the one OE?

Yes, this is the pond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 04:06:59 PM
Kyle, are you still here?

I'm getting 12.33.54.5 as in front on the Marriott (actually behind the Marriott on the beach). .34 -.35 in slightly north and there is a pond. Do I have the correct pond?

on 70.2.3.9 - it is directly across from the racquet club. Is this the correct pond before I screen capture it?

Thanks Rob.

+++++++++


The pond I'm referring to under investigation is at:

12 degrees, 33 minutes, 54.5 seconds north,
70 degrees, 2 minutes, 3.9 seconds west.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:08:15 PM
ok, lemme try again!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:15:17 PM
Update on Yapperz DD in lounge.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 04:15:55 PM
TAP TAP TAP

Rob ... we are waiting.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:17:20 PM
is this it?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond8.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:18:06 PM
TAP TAP TAP

Rob ... we are waiting.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I know I make it look easy, but this is harder than it looks Janet !!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
Update on Yapperz DD in lounge.

Thanks, Lala's. 

I hope you are not upset that I was offering up your pencils.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Trying to stay out of the book while Klaas is gone.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 04:21:12 PM
Does this help?

http://www.aruba.com/about/regionalmap.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:22:21 PM
is this it?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond8.jpg)


That's it..I am accustomed to seeing it from the other angle.  Notice the soccer field.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 04:23:00 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:23:35 PM
ok... I'll grab a few more shots Lala's

I'll mark it first.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:23:50 PM
Update on Yapperz DD in lounge.

Thanks, Lala's. 

I hope you are not upset that I was offering up your pencils.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Trying to stay out of the book while Klaas is gone.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Of course not.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 04:24:28 PM
is this it?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond8.jpg)


Is this located in Monserat Rob? Or can you tell??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:27:38 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


That pond is the Monserat pond....this is the pond that Caps has told us was fenced off and locked down.  This is the pond that the crew from the Persistence scanned the day or so before they left Aruba.  This pond is located behind the Chinese restaurant and beside the soccer fields.  When Rob gets a better view you will be able to see it.  This is a good thing...maybe...hopefully.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 04:34:57 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=aruba+&ie=UTF8&ll=12.571319,-70.037584&spn=0.034431,0.079994&t=h&z=14


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on May 14, 2008, 04:36:08 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


That pond is the Monserat pond....this is the pond that Caps has told us was fenced off and locked down.  This is the pond that the crew from the Persistence scanned the day or so before they left Aruba.  This pond is located behind the Chinese restaurant and beside the soccer fields.  When Rob gets a better view you will be able to see it.  This is a good thing...maybe...hopefully.

Lala's, You are correct!  Same pond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 04:37:25 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


That pond is the Monserat pond....this is the pond that Caps has told us was fenced off and locked down.  This is the pond that the crew from the Persistence scanned the day or so before they left Aruba.  This pond is located behind the Chinese restaurant and beside the soccer fields.  When Rob gets a better view you will be able to see it.  This is a good thing...maybe...hopefully.

This is the correct pond.  Confirmed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on May 14, 2008, 04:37:32 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


That pond is the Monserat pond....this is the pond that Caps has told us was fenced off and locked down.  This is the pond that the crew from the Persistence scanned the day or so before they left Aruba.  This pond is located behind the Chinese restaurant and beside the soccer fields.  When Rob gets a better view you will be able to see it.  This is a good thing...maybe...hopefully.

Lala's, You are correct!  Same pond.

Sorry to quote myself..

It is also the same pond hans got pissed off about when it was scanned...

I wonder why?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 14, 2008, 04:39:02 PM
Kyle, are you still here?

I'm getting 12.33.54.5 as in front on the Marriott (actually behind the Marriott on the beach). .34 -.35 in slightly north and there is a pond. Do I have the correct pond?

on 70.2.3.9 - it is directly across from the racquet club. Is this the correct pond before I screen capture it?

Thanks Rob.

+++++++++


The pond I'm referring to under investigation is at:

12 degrees, 33 minutes, 54.5 seconds north,
70 degrees, 2 minutes, 3.9 seconds west.


Why was the pond at the Racquet Ball Club one of the locations that Kyle provided?  Why did he provide two locations?

Am I the only one who is not comprehending?

Anyways I am off.  I will have hubby stop at Tim Horton's for a strong cuppa black caffeinated coffee on our 45 minute drive east to daughter's home.  By the time I get there ... the buzz will have kicked in ... the cobwebs will have cleared ... the light will have shone ... 

Later, Janet
1:40 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 04:40:00 PM
Greetings OE,

Last week Caps informed us about the CSI already on the island,the pond roped/chained off and also activity on the soccer field with the lights on all night..Possibly being searched..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on May 14, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Now, back to my hidy hole.

Klass, I am glad you are feeling better!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:41:45 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND10.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND12.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND14.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND15.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND17.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND20.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND21.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 04:43:13 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


That pond is the Monserat pond....this is the pond that Caps has told us was fenced off and locked down.  This is the pond that the crew from the Persistence scanned the day or so before they left Aruba.  This pond is located behind the Chinese restaurant and beside the soccer fields.  When Rob gets a better view you will be able to see it.  This is a good thing...maybe...hopefully.

Lala's, You are correct!  Same pond.

Sorry to quote myself..

It is also the same pond hans got pissed off about when it was scanned...

I wonder why?

I remember that as well.  Kind of makes you go   hum....

Kyle,  who requested this pond be searched by the sonar? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 04:45:28 PM
Thanks Rob!!!  gives great persepective. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:46:15 PM
Thanks Rob!!!  gives great persepective. 

You're welcome AZ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
Rob ... are you able to just tell us which pond was currently drained?

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


That pond is the Monserat pond....this is the pond that Caps has told us was fenced off and locked down.  This is the pond that the crew from the Persistence scanned the day or so before they left Aruba.  This pond is located behind the Chinese restaurant and beside the soccer fields.  When Rob gets a better view you will be able to see it.  This is a good thing...maybe...hopefully.

Lala's, You are correct!  Same pond.

Sorry to quote myself..

It is also the same pond hans got pissed off about when it was scanned...

I wonder why?

Yep.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 04:50:48 PM
BTW...I am always right. LOL

I think the reason they are searching this pond is a well kept secret...sort of...kind of...well..never mind.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on May 14, 2008, 04:53:02 PM
BTW...I am always right. LOL

I think the reason they are searching this pond is a well kept secret...sort of...kind of...well..never mind.

Shhhh   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Pita on May 14, 2008, 04:55:48 PM
Rob, thank you for the great pictures of the pond! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 04:57:54 PM
Rob, thank you for the great pictures of the pond! 

you're very welcome Pita  :smt033


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
IS it here ??

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/POND_2kopie.jpg?t=1210798568)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:01:31 PM
ok...

what's in the pond?

any guesses?

Mr. Jose Tromp?

Natalee?

Bud Larson?

Gary Makings?

unknown?

a known person that will become an unknown?

items related to Natalee?

items related to Joran?

Paulus' mistress?

Paulus' cell phone?

donkey bone?

pelican arm bone?

purse filled with rocks and a machete?

pirate loot and buried treasure?

my gold clubs?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 05:01:35 PM
Thanks Rob, you did good with the pics. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:01:52 PM
Good Job Rob on the maps. Where is this pond in relation to the fisherman huts, the Marriot, the Sloot home (one more map would be helpful)  Is Ocean Exploration confirming what Caps said about the pond and many Dutch investigators? has thepond been drained and this is related to the NH case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:02:57 PM
my gold golf clubs?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:04:03 PM
Good Job Rob on the maps. Where is this pond in relation to the fisherman huts, the Marriot, the Sloot home (one more map would be helpful)  Is Ocean Exploration confirming what Caps said about the pond and many Dutch investigators? has thepond been drained and this is related to the NH case?

coming right up... it's going to be hard to put all of that on one frame, but I'll try.

btw - Hi Spock!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:05:57 PM
Good Job Rob on the maps. Where is this pond in relation to the fisherman huts, the Marriot, the Sloot home (one more map would be helpful)  Is Ocean Exploration confirming what Caps said about the pond and many Dutch investigators? has thepond been drained and this is related to the NH case?

coming right up... it's going to be hard to put all of that on one frame, but I'll try.

btw - Hi Spock!!!

Hi Rob!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on May 14, 2008, 05:12:32 PM
Hi Spock.  Please tell Rob I said Hi, that old cartographer!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:15:09 PM
To Kyle and Ocean Exploration. How is it that your offshore team was led to this pond for an inspection?  Were you given a tip? Do you have information that this pond is again being investigated in relation to the NH case?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND21.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 05:15:24 PM
You can play with it here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=aruba+montserat&mrt=all&sll=12.573664,-70.033722&sspn=0.017215,0.039997&ie=UTF8&ll=12.565025,-70.033872&spn=0.002152,0.005&t=h&z=18


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:17:04 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond25.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:19:34 PM
Thanks Rob, the last map puts the location in perspective. Its on the way from the beach to the sloot home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:22:46 PM
ADDED IN GARDENER SIGHTING

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond25-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 05:22:51 PM
I didn't realize the VDS lived so close by.  Very interesting. 

Thanks again Rob.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:28:11 PM
Klaas, I can't seem to find my copy of the Predator Triangulation Map. Will you please post it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 05:28:39 PM
ok...

what's in the pond?

any guesses?

Mr. Jose Tromp?

Natalee?

Bud Larson?

Gary Makings?

unknown?

a known person that will become an unknown?

items related to Natalee?

items related to Joran?

Paulus' mistress?

Paulus' cell phone?

donkey bone?

pelican arm bone?

purse filled with rocks and a machete?

pirate loot and buried treasure?

my gold clubs?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


My guess is one size 14 KSwiss sneaker.

Rob my thanks also for the pics really great!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 05:30:38 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond25.jpg)

Rob I know I am pushing my luck here, but do you think you can mark the drainage basin/pond that was speculated about with the bag ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:31:07 PM
Thanks Rob, the last map puts the location in perspective. Its on the way from the beach to the sloot home.
Good place to hide trace evidence, clothing, rings, but several tons of muck to sort through.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:34:49 PM
I measured the pond... it's less than a 1/5 of a mile total circumference. <for a triangle anyway>.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND27.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kiwi on May 14, 2008, 05:34:56 PM
Nicely done Rob! I figured you only needed ten more of us to login and ask you more questions before meltdown. ::MonkeyConfused:: Spock I remember OE saying that the ponds were of interest on the first search by TES. With the equipment in place and the down time for the ship they decided to sonar the ponds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2008, 05:35:24 PM
I'd like to have a dime for every time I have repeated that.


roflmao!

I want crazybaby's horse with the stick LOL



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:35:36 PM
sure BB.. give me a second to find it and mark it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Kermit on May 14, 2008, 05:36:48 PM
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5894/pondbysoccorfieldam8.jpg)

FBI know the truth


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: sharon on May 14, 2008, 05:38:27 PM
Rob

Thank you for all these pictures. Very appreciated.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 05:38:56 PM
Rob
I think there is something wrong with your map...the Sloots do not live at that intersection area...I could be wrong, but I don't think that is the Sloots home...woudl you mind checking again for me...please.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:40:04 PM
Thanks Rob, the last map puts the location in perspective. Its on the way from the beach to the sloot home.
Good place to hide trace evidence, clothing, rings, but several tons of muck to sort through.
Its about half the size of a soccer field


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 05:42:27 PM
Kermit, can you pin the sloot home and the fisherman huts to your map? Also the Lions Den VIP lounge, if possible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2008, 05:43:48 PM
Rob,

Thank you for all of the pics.  Our old computer is running on an old operating system and is low on memory...I can't do any of the map stuff until we get a new one. 

Lala's,

You can be right all the time, but do you have to keep reminding us?  ::MonkeyHaHa::  (I can see the pencil putting my name down, now.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
Klaas, I can't seem to find my copy of the Predator Triangulation Map. Will you please post it?


Predator map begins on page 135 in Shango 1 if anyone knows how to copy it over here...it also is on page 136.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 05:45:23 PM
And it is very close to the noord street 
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/NOORDkopie-5.jpg?t=1210801165)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 14, 2008, 05:45:25 PM
Aruba: Boycott Watch was Right!

<snipped>

In the article by Hazel Heyer, Aruba's minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen was quotes saying "We were strongly hit by this incident ... In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event.



What Briesen is really saying is this is the first time they've gotten caught covering up the murder of a tourist.




dayhiker, you took the words right off my keyboard.  everybody else has just meekly followed orders from a.l.e. and a.t.a., and ahata. and "gone home, shut up, and got over it".  or not got over it,  aruba really didn't care about that part.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 05:45:51 PM
Rob,

Thank you for all of the pics.  Our old computer is running on an old operating system and is low on memory...I can't do any of the map stuff until we get a new one. 

Lala's,

You can be right all the time, but do you have to keep reminding us?  ::MonkeyHaHa::  (I can see the pencil putting my name down, now.)

Now, how do you spell your name...I don't want to write it down wrong? LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
sure BB.. give me a second to find it and mark it.

I made a better map

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND29.jpg)

and hi to GS  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 05:48:28 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/maps/hollowaygeoprofile.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 05:50:11 PM
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2z592m8.jpg)

(http://i28.tinypic.com/2eckqrr.jpg)

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2ho8pyb.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 05:51:06 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1952.0;attach=903;image)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on May 14, 2008, 05:51:10 PM
Hi Rob!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 05:51:32 PM
BB - dang you beat me to it, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lala's and everyone - if you ever want to copy a photo from another page in the forum, if it was posted from a website then all you have to do is "right mouse click" on the photo and then click on profile properties and you will see the URL.  Then all you have to do is copy and paste the url to your new message and add the IMG tags to it.

It's really just a copy paste thing.

Edited to change profile to properties


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 14, 2008, 05:52:12 PM
Thanks Rob and johan.

bb  A little scary that that pond has a circle!!

Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject:     
Texas EquuSearch will soon return to Aruba with their [cadaver] dogs to search for the missing Jose Manuel Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

A dog will find the remains of Natalee.


His post (when Klaas was sick):

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
BB - dang you beat me to it, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lala's and everyone - if you ever want to copy a photo from another page in the forum, if it was posted from a website then all you have to do is "right mouse click" on the photo and then click on profile and you will see the URL.  Then all you have to do is copy and paste the url to your new message and add the IMG tags to it.

It's really just a copy paste thing.

 Klaas , at least I got to beat you for once.......don't mean to take advantage of your feeling under the weather ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 05:53:55 PM
I think you guys are going to love what I'm doing next... hold on a few minutes...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 14, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1952.0;attach=903;image)

Which one is Monserat??  I don't remember the Soledad one.... :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 05:58:25 PM
Rob
The Sloots house is not where you have it marked...I could be wrong..first time, of course, but that is not the Sloots home...please check again for me..Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
I took Dr. Godwin's Predator Map and overlaid it on my Earth Google map and looks at Godwin's Anchor Point. It's the small circle in the center of the triangle.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond33.jpg)

I'm going to make one that has more opaque.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
Wow Rob that is spooky.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 06:07:22 PM
Rob
The Sloots house is not where you have it marked...I could be wrong..first time, of course, but that is not the Sloots home...please check again for me..Thanks.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
there is Joran's home Lala's Mom


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:07:25 PM
Nicely done Rob! I figured you only needed ten more of us to login and ask you more questions before meltdown. ::MonkeyConfused:: Spock I remember OE saying that the ponds were of interest on the first search by TES. With the equipment in place and the down time for the ship they decided to sonar the ponds.

Hi Kiwi... no meltdown here... LOL.. thanks for the compliment.

Lala's - where do you suggest I mark the Sloot dump?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 06:10:41 PM
Nicely done Rob! I figured you only needed ten more of us to login and ask you more questions before meltdown. ::MonkeyConfused:: Spock I remember OE saying that the ponds were of interest on the first search by TES. With the equipment in place and the down time for the ship they decided to sonar the ponds.

Hi Kiwi... no meltdown here... LOL.. thanks for the compliment.

Lala's - where do you suggest I mark the Sloot dump?

I am just saying that I think the Sloot home is not at that intersection you have marked...as I said I could be wrong...maybe. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2008, 06:12:45 PM
Thanks for the maps, Rob & BB! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 06:22:00 PM
Thanks Rob and johan.

bb  A little scary that that pond has a circle!!

Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject:     
Texas EquuSearch will soon return to Aruba with their [cadaver] dogs to search for the missing Jose Manuel Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

A dog will find the remains of Natalee.


His post (when Klaas was sick):

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Yeah, I saw that.  My husband brought my laptop to the hospital but I wasn't "with it" enough to actually type.  I did see the post though and wondered why there wasn't more discussion about it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:24:07 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond36.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:26:41 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond38.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 06:26:55 PM
That is interesting news about the pond.  I wonder if there are any results on the bone?  Maybe some DNA?

Why would anyone be scouting around the pond and find a bone?  Is it a tourist attraction?

Is this a clear pond?  Cesspool?

Two other things come to mind...

I have have some renewed hope that Natalee will be returned to her family.

The other I won't post...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 14, 2008, 06:28:57 PM
Thanks Rob and johan.

bb  A little scary that that pond has a circle!!

Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject:     
Texas EquuSearch will soon return to Aruba with their [cadaver] dogs to search for the missing Jose Manuel Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

A dog will find the remains of Natalee.


His post (when Klaas was sick):

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Yeah, I saw that.  My husband brought my laptop to the hospital but I wasn't "with it" enough to actually type.  I did see the post though and wondered why there wasn't more discussion about it. 

And why he removed it....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:29:17 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond40.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 06:31:05 PM
Thanks Rob and johan.

bb  A little scary that that pond has a circle!!

Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject:     
Texas EquuSearch will soon return to Aruba with their [cadaver] dogs to search for the missing Jose Manuel Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

A dog will find the remains of Natalee.


His post (when Klaas was sick):

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Yeah, I saw that.  My husband brought my laptop to the hospital but I wasn't "with it" enough to actually type.  I did see the post though and wondered why there wasn't more discussion about it. 

And why he removed it....

I didn't realize he removed it.  Interresting.  I know Medley is always trying to pry info out of him. What a fool she is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2008, 06:31:55 PM
Thanks for the maps, Rob & BB! ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks to Johan555 too!  ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
Thanks Rob and johan.

bb  A little scary that that pond has a circle!!

Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject:     
Texas EquuSearch will soon return to Aruba with their [cadaver] dogs to search for the missing Jose Manuel Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

A dog will find the remains of Natalee.


His post (when Klaas was sick):

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Yeah, I saw that.  My husband brought my laptop to the hospital but I wasn't "with it" enough to actually type.  I did see the post though and wondered why there wasn't more discussion about it. 

I actually typed a post and deleted it before I posted it... I have a hard time believing he has a bone from Aruba, but maybe he does. I tried to mail a box of Cohibas to myself and the post office found them and sent them back to the Hyatt and one of the front desk girls called me to tell me that there weren't "cosmetics" in the box - but cigars. So, they would not be on their way to Pennsylvania. LOL . . .  And the Hyatt stored them for me in their humidor until I returned.

At the airport they do randomly check carry-ons for drug - so, maybe he made it out with it in a carry-on... but most luggage is searched.

I'd be interested to know exactly how this all happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 06:37:24 PM
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/JoranWalksFromMcDonToVDShomeb.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 06:38:20 PM
Wow!  I posted a pic...sorry...I got carried away...is that a correct representation of where the Sloots live?  Is it wrong?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 14, 2008, 06:38:59 PM
Thanks Rob and johan.

bb  A little scary that that pond has a circle!!

Posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject:     
Texas EquuSearch will soon return to Aruba with their [cadaver] dogs to search for the missing Jose Manuel Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

A dog will find the remains of Natalee.


His post (when Klaas was sick):

On my desk lies a 'human' shin-bone in a box, a bone found in a pond not far from Montanja 19 by a friend during his visit to Aruba last month.


 ::MonkeyEek::


Yeah, I saw that.  My husband brought my laptop to the hospital but I wasn't "with it" enough to actually type.  I did see the post though and wondered why there wasn't more discussion about it. 

I actually typed a post and deleted it before I posted it... I have a hard time believing he has a bone from Aruba, but maybe he does. I tried to mail a box of Cohibas to myself and the post office found them and sent them back to the Hyatt and one of the front desk girls called me to tell me that there weren't "cosmetics" in the box - but cigars. So, they would not be on their way to Pennsylvania. LOL . . .  And the Hyatt stored them for me in their humidor until I returned.

At the airport they do randomly check carry-ons for drug - so, maybe he made it out with it in a carry-on... but most luggage is searched.

I'd be interested to know exactly how this all happened.
Maybe the bone got transported back to The States via a boat that happened to be there about a month or so ago. (ducks and covers) ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:41:12 PM
last one for a while

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/pond42.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 14, 2008, 06:42:26 PM
A green friend of ours said it today: "The FBI KNOWS"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: texasmom on May 14, 2008, 06:42:44 PM
Wreck  ::MonkeyHaHa::
(not about the idea you suggested, but the "ducks and covers")


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 06:43:28 PM
OK...I am giving up!  In my photo you can see the pond and if the Sloots live where it is marked that is not anywhere near the location of that intersection...but I could be wrong...sorry to be a pest. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: A's Fever on May 14, 2008, 06:45:21 PM
Hi Klaas, glad to see you are back and feeling better!  You were missed!

A's


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 06:46:44 PM
OK...I am giving up!  In my photo you can see the pond and if the Sloots live where it is marked that is not anywhere near the location of that intersection...but I could be wrong...sorry to be a pest. 

Lala's I'm just not sure, it's hard to tell but looks to me to be close to the Sloot home. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 06:47:11 PM
Thanks A's  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blonde on May 14, 2008, 06:47:16 PM
Thanks Rob and johan555 I did try but got lost johan555 you have the google pro right. Is that the $400.000 one?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 06:48:13 PM
O/T - Lala's I did post a construction update in the Musing thread (per your request  ::MonkeyWink:: )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:55:54 PM
Lala's I fixed it... thanks

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JORANWALKSHOME2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 06:57:16 PM
Here is another pic
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/pondview.jpg?t=1210805648)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 06:57:57 PM
Nooooowwww - how can we tie Julie Renfro into this whole pond thing? cause you know she had something to do with it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 14, 2008, 06:58:41 PM
no discussions about the shin bone and how it got back to the U.S.?????? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Here is another pic
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/pondview.jpg?t=1210805648)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
strange that you see on google(G) Natalee last seen here  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 07:01:47 PM
To Kyle and Ocean Exploration. How is it that your offshore team was led to this pond for an inspection?  Were you given a tip? Do you have information that this pond is again being investigated in relation to the NH case?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND21.jpg)

Kyle, can you tell us if this pond has been drained in relation to the NH case?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 07:02:26 PM
strange that you see on google(G) Natalee last seen here  ::MonkeyRoll::

YEAH, I wonder who added that marker ??? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
no discussions about the shin bone and how it got back to the U.S.?????? ::MonkeyEek::

Could have easilty "hitched" a ride, I hope it did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 14, 2008, 07:05:13 PM
strange that you see on google(G) Natalee last seen here  ::MonkeyRoll::

YEAH, I wonder who added that marker ??? ::MonkeyWink::

dis you added that ????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 07:07:09 PM
strange that you see on google(G) Natalee last seen here  ::MonkeyRoll::

YEAH, I wonder who added that marker ??? ::MonkeyWink::

dis you added that ????????

not me, but I know who did and that person has added more markers all over ... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 07:10:59 PM
no discussions about the shin bone and how it got back to the U.S.?????? ::MonkeyEek::

Could have easilty "hitched" a ride, I hope it did.

Easy to get a bone out I would imagine. I have brought home 100 cuban cigars each trip no problem.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 14, 2008, 07:18:36 PM
no discussions about the shin bone and how it got back to the U.S.?????? ::MonkeyEek::

Could have easilty "hitched" a ride, I hope it did.

When we left the Dominican Republic in March, we were told one of our bags was overweight and we'd be charged extra.  The customs attendant told us we could take some things out and put them in the other bag, to equalize the weight.  Standing there on the line, we could just not imagine opening both bags and repacking in front of everyone.  She asked what was in the heavy bag and we told her the only thing besides our clothing and personal things were two bottles of rum (small prizes my husband won playing games with the entertainment crew by the pool.)  They never opened any of our bags after we decided to pay the extra $, but when we were there in '04, they looked through everything. 

Just thinking we could have had something besides the rum.....US customs was a breeze, as well. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
BTW...I am always right. LOL

I think the reason they are searching this pond is a well kept secret...sort of...kind of...well..never mind.


The only secret they've been able to keep is Joran's. Everything else flows like terminal diarrhea all over the island.

Howdy Lalas!
  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 07:24:17 PM
I have this water bottle thing that sprays water on you in a mist. I like it when it's hot and when I return home I stuff as many cubans in there as it will hold. And I used my GF's bottle too... I can get about 25 cubans stuffed in there.

That's the extent of my smuggling operation  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 07:27:29 PM

not me, but I know who did and that person has added more markers all over ... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Great job with the maps, Bruddah!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 14, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
I have this water bottle thing that sprays water on you in a mist. I like it when it's hot and when I return home I stuff as many cubans in there as it will hold. And I used my GF's bottle too... I can get about 25 cubans stuffed in there.

That's the extent of my smuggling operation  ::MonkeyHaHa::

The man in the gigar store gave me an aruban cigar box to carry them in. He said take off the bands, which I did, and put them in my wallet for safe keeping, put the cigars in the aruban box , all went into my carry- on. Can hardly blame the Arubans for not looking for cigars, they have many more trying to get out with the "hard" stuff. Once you get through the homeland security there.......you are done. ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
I have this water bottle thing that sprays water on you in a mist. I like it when it's hot and when I return home I stuff as many cubans in there as it will hold. And I used my GF's bottle too... I can get about 25 cubans stuffed in there.

That's the extent of my smuggling operation  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Perhaps this search will see Joran taking home a few cigars. In KIA.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 07:31:31 PM
Nooooowwww - how can we tie Julie Renfro into this whole pond thing? cause you know she had something to do with it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 07:33:03 PM
I have this water bottle thing that sprays water on you in a mist. I like it when it's hot and when I return home I stuff as many cubans in there as it will hold. And I used my GF's bottle too... I can get about 25 cubans stuffed in there.

That's the extent of my smuggling operation  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Perhaps this search will see Joran taking home a few cigars. In KIA.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyEek::

I heard today he's working on some Thai stick!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 07:37:15 PM
To Kyle and Ocean Exploration. How is it that your offshore team was led to this pond for an inspection?  Were you given a tip? Do you have information that this pond is again being investigated in relation to the NH case?


OE wrote that that the Pond was scanned because they had some down time and it was one of the last remaining ponds or areas that was not searched/cleared. He posted here at the time that he did not look at all the data but nothing stood out from his initial look.

Caps has told us that there is a witness that pointed out this pond and that his information is being taken seriously.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 07:38:08 PM
I have this water bottle thing that sprays water on you in a mist. I like it when it's hot and when I return home I stuff as many cubans in there as it will hold. And I used my GF's bottle too... I can get about 25 cubans stuffed in there.

That's the extent of my smuggling operation  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Perhaps this search will see Joran taking home a few cigars. In KIA.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyEek::

I heard today he's working on some Thai stick!!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::




He'll probably bend over for one of those. Let's ask Marten.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 14, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
Nooooowwww - how can we tie Julie Renfro into this whole pond thing? cause you know she had something to do with it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 07:46:06 PM

I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)


Hey, never thought of that Moon. Maybe they will find "that shit" Deepak was talking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 07:47:26 PM
The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Bondia022808search.jpg)

This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?

I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 07:59:13 PM
Lala's I fixed it... thanks

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JORANWALKSHOME2.jpg)


You people really should listen to me....thanks Rob...I just didn't want anyone to think that Joran lived right there near the pond. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 08:02:58 PM
The pond search was conducted to rule out a local pond that was one of the only ponds in the area not searched to date.  We were dockside (26-Feb) due to weather and couldn't do much so we did the pond sonar search.  It's good to have the technology on board to complete something like that quickly while we're local.

I believe they are using the side scan sonar too!  This is excellent news!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Bondia022808search.jpg)

This is two of our crew out surveying the pond yesterday (27-Feb).  They are using a SonaVision scanning sonar. The sonar scans 360 degrees out to a user select range.  In this case we used between 50-100ft range.  By placing multiple "drops" approximately 75-100 ft apart you can quickly and efficiently scan an entire pond.
I must have a good laught at this one. The boat they are in is TINY and Tony is a big guy.

Hey Ocean,
Did anything look promising?

I don't think so from what I heard from the field... but I haven't looked at the data yet.  I'm getting caught up with the data collected while I've been off the boat.  I'll look at the scanning sonar data later this evening.

The 40+ investigators looking at the pond "statement" is what suggests to me there is something to this. It doesnt take forty people to "rule something out". I also wonder if OE and CAPS are quoting the same source.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 08:08:23 PM
I'm wondering if the authorities have known about this pond for a while... like more than a year. Remember they searched the Bubali bird sanctuary and went through that pond...We all got our hopes up - but that was only about the 238th time at that point.

this new pond is a stone's throw away... did they have the wrong pond and was this info tipped before?

I won't be surprised that someone or something could be found... the did find a dead guy in the Marriott pond or so they say... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 08:10:04 PM

There is something to this. Caps clearly stated that the witness is credible and is being taken very seriously. He met with Mos and this appears to be the best tip they have where Natalee was disposed.  It appears the CSI were also investigating the soccer field. Lets all pray that this witness is the real deal and not another carlos ramos. No idea what OE knows except he said this earlier.

[/quote]
My understanding is the pond draining was absolutely necessaryThe purpose for the sonar search in the pond was to build a case to drain it.  Apparently there was enough interest to go ahead with it. We'll see how it goes.
[/quote]


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 08:12:11 PM
Spookiest places on Aruba  ::MonkeyShocked::  ~

1. VDS compound
2. Romantic caves/caverns
3. Dunes filled with deceased plague victims from 1800's
4. Inland bodies of water
5. ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 08:13:56 PM
when you think about it, the Aruban polis are totally beyond stooopid...

if the gardener stops the suspects at the racquet club and one of the suspects tells you that they stopped at his house but "didn't go in"...

wouldn't you look at everything in a straight line between those two points? this pond is right on the way from the Sloot's to the Racquet club.

how many dumbasses ALE polis did they say were on this case? and not one put that notion together?

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 08:15:17 PM
Spookiest places on Aruba  ::MonkeyShocked::  ~

1. VDS compound
2. Romantic caves/caverns
3. Dunes filled with deceased plague victims from 1800's
4. Inland bodies of water
5. Anita's underwear drawer


my answer in red.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 08:19:47 PM
hmmmm...

Slow day on Persistence so they go ashore and into a pond.. drag around a side scan sonar in a little boat. Then high tail it out of town...

hmmmm...

then all the stuff with the skull and the "human remains / DNA"... and then nothing for a while.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 08:21:39 PM
I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)

And, if they were aware of the ponds/waters being searched.  Why was this one last?  Maybe time was running out?  The dumped in the ocean with Peter/Patrick a diversion?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 08:34:37 PM
when you think about it, the Aruban polis are totally beyond stooopid...

if the gardener stops the suspects at the racquet club and one of the suspects tells you that they stopped at his house but "didn't go in"...

wouldn't you look at everything in a straight line between those two points? this pond is right on the way from the Sloot's to the Racquet club.

how many dumbasses ALE polis did they say were on this case? and not one put that notion together?

 


....one straight path.... 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 08:36:54 PM
I also have to wonder if this particular pond was under suspicion before.  Were there distractions that prevented it from being searched?

Where was the old ISA in relation to this new search?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2008, 08:40:49 PM
when you think about it, the Aruban polis are totally beyond stooopid...

if the gardener stops the suspects at the racquet club and one of the suspects tells you that they stopped at his house but "didn't go in"...

wouldn't you look at everything in a straight line between those two points? this pond is right on the way from the Sloot's to the Racquet club.

how many dumbasses ALE polis did they say were on this case? and not one put that notion together?

 


....one straight path.... 

maybe they didn't go into his house, but just stopped there. And picked up a box of condoms and went to the soccer field and (fill in the blanks). I also see to the right of the pond and soccer field a tennis court.

Then after something goes wrong they then go to the racquet club and the gardener see them. The Kalpoes drop Joran off at the north end of the Marriott beach and he gets on his phone to start his alibi.

theoretically you don't need a lot of time to commit this crime.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 08:57:25 PM
when you think about it, the Aruban polis are totally beyond stooopid...

if the gardener stops the suspects at the racquet club and one of the suspects tells you that they stopped at his house but "didn't go in"...

wouldn't you look at everything in a straight line between those two points? this pond is right on the way from the Sloot's to the Racquet club.

how many dumbasses ALE polis did they say were on this case? and not one put that notion together?

 


I don't think it was so much as being stoopid as it was ALE and higher ups trying to unsolve the case. Clearly they had confessions early on but ignored them, never attempted follow-up questions in their interviews, instead arresting innoccent darkies and searching places they knew they wouldn't find Natalee.

They need to haul Jan Van der Straten and Karin Jannsen's sorry, worthless, fat asses in and put them under a bright light. They are the reason nothing was done, they intentionally skewed the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 09:02:01 PM

The 40+ investigators looking at the pond "statement" is what suggests to me there is something to this. It doesnt take forty people to "rule something out". I also wonder if OE and CAPS are quoting the same source.

There is something to this. Caps clearly stated that the witness is credible and is being taken very seriously. He met with Mos and this appears to be the best tip they have where Natalee was disposed.  It appears the CSI were also investigating the soccer field. Lets all pray that this witness is the real deal and not another carlos ramos. No idea what OE knows except he said this earlier.

My understanding is the pond draining was absolutely necessaryThe purpose for the sonar search in the pond was to build a case to drain it.  Apparently there was enough interest to go ahead with it. We'll see how it goes.
[/quote]


We've seen such drama before out of these bimbos, Aruban and Dutch alike, only to see them shit and fall back in it. I'll believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
Nooooowwww - how can we tie Julie Renfro into this whole pond thing? cause you know she had something to do with it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

Oh, so that's what's she's calling it now.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 09:11:39 PM
Just a few old articles on Van Der EEM from February. Not sure how credible the sources are as our Dutch posters have warned us about witheet.   Interesting though..
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Patrick van der Eem (2) CRIME
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/996/scarfacelm3.png) (http://imageshack.us)


About the integrity character Patrick van der Eem anyone can, after seeing Pauw & Witteman, create his own conclusion. According to a number misdaadjournalisten, which greatly to the investigations are beaten, Patrick of the EEM naturally a kind of wolf in sheep. "Patrick has indeed been in contact with the police," says his father Leo van der Eem, the 62-year-old operator of nine McDonald's business in eastern Netherlands, from the Spanish Marbella, where he lived for several years. Unlike Peter R. de Vries yesterday was forced to admit RTL Boulevard, say sources in the Gelderse Police on a criminal affair in 2001, and not as the supposed last somewhere around 1994. Laconiek ontweek Patrick van der Eem the questions to Pauw and Witteman, and suggested that he lenient sentencing his last start when he was twenty neatly would have been served. Perhaps not entirely unwise he mentioned no word about the criminal investigations into his person and his later role as a police informant in a number of drug issues. A usually very knowledgeable and highly reliable source of crime reporter Hendrik Jan Korterink, even knew how to sign Patrick van der Eem clearly visible to the provision of its linkermondhoek would have been: "The scar on his linkerwang he has left to one of his stays in the prison where he is a Colombian by a so-called Boca Grande has received (Big Foot) in connection with the school from the blows against research over a missed drug issues. In Colombia, if a serious warning. The draws for life in that environment so everyone can see that you are a traitor and someone who can not keep his mouth. "Read more:

Given the rather tough mores within the underworld, it is questionable whether Patrick van der Eem there is sensible to have done with the "unmasked" by Joran van der Sloot international attention to their headquarters. On the Internet, the persistent signals about Patrick van der Eem and whether or not the alleged practices in the sense the commission of attacks, violation of the Opiumwet prohibited weapons, stolen goods and attempted extortion, always grimmiger. Joran van der Sloot does - after the initial personality to Patrick van der Eem - all kakofonische imaging sharpening, going through Zvezdana Vukojevic journalist to disclose that his former biechtvader in his presence to bloedens added much cocaine snoof and he has generously treated to scenes orgieachtige in hotel rooms. Patrick van der Eem notes with his girlfriend and two children very happy to be in his white house on the bungalowdorp RiverParc in Lathum (National somewhat known for the "murder" on 21-year-old Roberto Laffree from Westervoort on February 21 2004) and as soon possible his own life would pick up again: "This has six months of my lives (..) I have my own company from scratch with my own hands up (..) my company gives me everything."

   
http://witheet.com/misdaad/patrick-van-der-eem-2

=============================

Patrick van der Eem heeft de ouders van Joran van der Sloot nog voor de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries, gisterenavond,
telefonisch bedreigd. Hij zou handelen uit frustratie, zo vertellen bronnen op Aruba.
Naar aanleiding van bedreigingen heeft de Arubaanse justitie de ouders van Joran geadviseerd onder te duiken, maar dat wilde zij niet.


Patrick van der Eem threatened the parents of Joran van der Sloot by phone, right before Peter R. de Vries his show was broadcasted Supposedly Patrick acted out of frustration according to Aruban sources. Because of the threats the Aruban OM advised Joran's parents to go into hiding, but they didn't want that.



" Hallo met Patrick," begon het dreigtelefoontje aan moeder Van der Sloot, die Patricks stem onmiddellijk herkende
omdat ze hem als vriend van Joran eerder aan de telefoon had gehad. Maar het vervolg van het, korte, telefoongesprek ging niet zoals moeder Van der Sloot verwachtte, want zei hoorde: " Joran heb ik nu te grazen gehad en nu zijn jullie aan de beurt. Hadden
jullie maar niet moeten fucken met mijn eiland. Gegroet, Patrick”," waarna de verbinding werd verbroken

"Hello this is Patrick, the threat call started to the mother of Joran, who recognized Patrick's voice immediately, because as a friend of Joran she had him on the phone before. But the continuation of the short phonecall didn't go as she expected because she heard; " I've busted Joran and now it's your turn, because you've fucked with my Island, Greetz Patrick" after that he hung up the phone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 09:13:30 PM
Monserat Pond/Moko from this thread -

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2940
post #2941

Quote
ALE was trying to ask the questions without really asking...for example...asking if Jaime was given something to hold or keep from Joran...asking Paulus if Joran's legs hurt...asking about cleaning the car...ants permeate that area of Montserat...etc. I know we think ALE was a bunch of bumbling idiots...and I am not ready to give them a pass just yet...but there were questions asked that are now easier to link to things we know.

I remember many posters linking Shango to a comic book cover.

Interesting about the ants.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:23:08 PM
You all listening to Dana Pretzer?  I just turned it on.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/05/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-wednesday-night-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-susan-murphy-milano-drew-kesse-and-randy-tat/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 09:27:58 PM
You all listening to Dana Pretzer?  I just turned it on.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/05/14/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-wednesday-night-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-susan-murphy-milano-drew-kesse-and-randy-tat/

 ::MonkeyEek:: I keep forgetting I am out West now and he's not on at 9 anymore  :2doh:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:32:47 PM
Drew Kesse on right now.  I believe Tim Miller will be on if he hasn't already.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:39:34 PM
Drew Kesse on right now.  I believe Tim Miller will be on if he hasn't already.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

Randy Tat on now


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: oceanexploration on May 14, 2008, 09:40:12 PM
To Kyle and Ocean Exploration. How is it that your offshore team was led to this pond for an inspection?  Were you given a tip? Do you have information that this pond is again being investigated in relation to the NH case?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND21.jpg)

Kyle, can you tell us if this pond has been drained in relation to the NH case?


Yes.  It was drained in relation to the case. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 09:41:25 PM
Nooooowwww - how can we tie Julie Renfro into this whole pond thing? cause you know she had something to do with it  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

GUILTY!!!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)

Didn't she also say there was no fence around it, and no activity? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 09:44:28 PM
To Kyle and Ocean Exploration. How is it that your offshore team was led to this pond for an inspection?  Were you given a tip? Do you have information that this pond is again being investigated in relation to the NH case?


(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/POND21.jpg)

Kyle, can you tell us if this pond has been drained in relation to the NH case?


Yes.  It was drained in relation to the case. 

As I recall, CAPS told us the VIP lounge is owned by the Kalpoe family and is adjacent to this pond. That would be a strong connection.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 09:44:36 PM
Monserat Pond/Moko from this thread -

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2940
post #2941

Quote
ALE was trying to ask the questions without really asking...for example...asking if Jaime was given something to hold or keep from Joran...asking Paulus if Joran's legs hurt...asking about cleaning the car...ants permeate that area of Montserat...etc. I know we think ALE was a bunch of bumbling idiots...and I am not ready to give them a pass just yet...but there were questions asked that are now easier to link to things we know.

I remember many posters linking Shango to a comic book cover.

Interesting about the ants.


Actually, the truth is Shango was a character in a Marvel comic book.  He is also a mythical figure and a band and a few other things that no one cares about right now. Oh, I forgot..he's also an dance.  No joke.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 09:55:08 PM
We are still trying to connect the Kalpoes to the Indo Restaurant and VIP as Caps has said. I don't think we know that for sure yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 14, 2008, 09:55:49 PM
BB - dang you beat me to it, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lala's and everyone - if you ever want to copy a photo from another page in the forum, if it was posted from a website then all you have to do is "right mouse click" on the photo and then click on profile and you will see the URL.  Then all you have to do is copy and paste the url to your new message and add the IMG tags to it.

It's really just a copy paste thing.

 Klaas , at least I got to beat you for once.......don't mean to take advantage of your feeling under the weather ::MonkeyNoNo::

Trying to catch up on the pond.
but,    BB ... wtf is a url and where do i get the IMG tags????? ::MonkeyWaa::

You don't need to answer...lol...  I am still struggling with cut and paste....  :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 14, 2008, 09:56:04 PM
BB - dang you beat me to it, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Lala's and everyone - if you ever want to copy a photo from another page in the forum, if it was posted from a website then all you have to do is "right mouse click" on the photo and then click on profile properties and you will see the URL.  Then all you have to do is copy and paste the url to your new message and add the IMG tags to it.

It's really just a copy paste thing.

Edited to change profile to properties

Thanks, Klaas.  I tried to help but I was all thumbs.
     :2doh:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Spock on May 14, 2008, 09:56:14 PM
Maybe CAPS can clarify what he knows about the pond search and the connection between the VIP lounge and the Kalpoe family. CAPS hasnt posted in about a week...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:57:55 PM
TIM MILLER ON PRETZER NOW!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 09:59:59 PM
TIM MILLER ON PRETZER NOW!

Talking about going back to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  Jose worked for the prison system, was saving up his money to go to law school.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 10:01:33 PM
TIM MILLER ON PRETZER NOW!

Talking about going back to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  Jose worked for the prison system, was saving up his money to go to law school.

The plan right now is to fly to Aruba on Sunday and spend a week searching for Jose.  Could end up being longer than a week


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 10:06:16 PM
TIM MILLER ON PRETZER NOW!

Talking about going back to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  Jose worked for the prison system, was saving up his money to go to law school.

The plan right now is to fly to Aruba on Sunday and spend a week searching for Jose.  Could end up being longer than a week

There will be four of them going to Aruba to search for Jose.

Update on the NH search.  Located something on December 29th, they still don't know exactly what was found but were told it didn't match Natalee's DNA.

Plans are to bring in a 360 ft boat out of Trinidad with the ROV to check the rest of the targets.  Just need more funding.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
TES has worked 897 cases/searches in 7 years  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 10:10:22 PM
GREAT SHOW DANA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 14, 2008, 10:14:15 PM
FANTASTIC SHOW DANA...THANKS!  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 10:20:52 PM
Who and how many remain in the waters surrounding Aruba?

How many in the inland bodies of water?

Who was in that crab trap? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 14, 2008, 10:25:53 PM
Anyone know/can map where Melody lived in relation to this pond? 

Where Nadira worked in relation to this pond?

Internet cafe?

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 10:28:27 PM

I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)

Didn't she also say there was no fence around it, and no activity? ::MonkeyNoNo::


I believe she did say that, Sunny. Said something like all she saw was dog tracks. Not a very accurate reporter is she? Not the first time she's gotten something wrong and probably won't be the last.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 14, 2008, 10:31:42 PM

I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)

Didn't she also say there was no fence around it, and no activity? ::MonkeyNoNo::


I believe she did say that, Sunny. Said something like all she saw was dog tracks. Not a very accurate reporter is she? Not the first time she's gotten something wrong and probably won't be the last.

sounds like she has been ms. mis-information from the start

Great show Dana and guests


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 10:32:04 PM
TIM MILLER ON PRETZER NOW!

Talking about going back to Aruba to search for Jose Tromp.  Jose worked for the prison system, was saving up his money to go to law school.


Doesn't sound like the type to run away, but am sure that is ALE's working theory.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 14, 2008, 10:43:51 PM

I believe she made a post the other day about the pond being dry. Seems she has an interest in it.

I believe Momma and Pappa Sloot would have an extreme interest in this.  Makes you wonder if that was why Joran was sent away from the NL to Thailand (?)

Didn't she also say there was no fence around it, and no activity? ::MonkeyNoNo::


I believe she did say that, Sunny. Said something like all she saw was dog tracks. Not a very accurate reporter is she? Not the first time she's gotten something wrong and probably won't be the last.

Oh yes,  I remember the dog tracks now.  No, not a good or even poor reporter, but she is used to advertising pimps and whorehouses, so go figure!

 I am curious why the activity on the soccer field?  I could understand the bushes around the soccer field.  I also find it interesting there are tennis courts nearby.  JVDS would certainly know the area, wouldn't he?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 14, 2008, 10:48:48 PM
O/T Hey Monkey Friends....Could I Please get some Prayers coming this way....I'm in South Central Texas and We have Very Severe Weather headed Our Way....Thank You To Everyone in Advance! Sincerely PC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 10:51:40 PM
O/T Hey Monkey Friends....Could I Please get some Prayers coming this way....I'm in South Central Texas and We have Very Severe Weather headed Our Way....Thank You To Everyone in Advance! Sincerely PC


Saying a prayer for you right now Hotping. Make a beeline to a safe place if it gets rough. God bless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 10:52:54 PM
O/T Hey Monkey Friends....Could I Please get some Prayers coming this way....I'm in South Central Texas and We have Very Severe Weather headed Our Way....Thank You To Everyone in Advance! Sincerely PC

Prayers for you and everyone in the way of the storms.  What's with all the severe weather lately?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 14, 2008, 10:56:22 PM

I believe she did say that, Sunny. Said something like all she saw was dog tracks. Not a very accurate reporter is she? Not the first time she's gotten something wrong and probably won't be the last.

Oh yes,  I remember the dog tracks now.  No, not a good or even poor reporter, but she is used to advertising pimps and whorehouses, so go figure!

 I am curious why the activity on the soccer field?  I could understand the bushes around the soccer field.  I also find it interesting there are tennis courts nearby.  JVDS would certainly know the area, wouldn't he?

Well, you never can tell when either she or Joran is lying, but those maps Rob, BB, and Jonathon posted are interesting. That's a easy walk from the Fishermen's Huts to the pond/soccer field and the Sloot house. If there was any truth to him walking home we know it would have been easy to do. As pointed out by a couple of posters the rape and murder could have gone down very fast given those parameters. I believe it did and that's how they were able to get their alibi communications established so fast.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 14, 2008, 10:58:34 PM
O/T Hey Monkey Friends....Could I Please get some Prayers coming this way....I'm in South Central Texas and We have Very Severe Weather headed Our Way....Thank You To Everyone in Advance! Sincerely PC

Sending my prayers.  Lots.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 11:00:02 PM
O/T Hey Monkey Friends....Could I Please get some Prayers coming this way....I'm in South Central Texas and We have Very Severe Weather headed Our Way....Thank You To Everyone in Advance! Sincerely PC

Prayers to yall down south in the severe weather area,especially our great posters from Texas  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 14, 2008, 11:00:52 PM
O/T Hey Monkey Friends....Could I Please get some Prayers coming this way....I'm in South Central Texas and We have Very Severe Weather headed Our Way....Thank You To Everyone in Advance! Sincerely PC

Prayers for you and everyone in the way of the storms.  What's with all the severe weather lately?

Right..it has been horrible.  Makes me wonder about the 12/21/12 theory. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
O/T SunnyinTX needs our prayers

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2839.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 11:08:29 PM
Great show Dana!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on May 14, 2008, 11:11:25 PM
O/T SunnyinTX needs our prayers

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2839.0
Prayers for Sunny. I hope she stays strong and is better soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
Quotes from Chuckrat today.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9499/charlierattattoosq1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


The possibilty of corruption (or, to throw a bone Jonathan's way, people making mistakes) doesn't really enter the equation as far as explaining why there is no evidence. In fact, under my scenario, police corruption or incompetence are both pretty much ruled out.

And I have never accused Beth Holloway of being guilty of anything except deliberately spreading mis-information about Aruba in order to (1) keep the case on TV every night and (2) support her attempts to create a boycott of the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 11:18:36 PM
Chuckie is a sad excuse for a human being, IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 14, 2008, 11:19:46 PM
I do think I did a fine job of giving him an appropriate tattoo complete with rat "droppings"  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 14, 2008, 11:20:05 PM
Thanks for that photo..now I am going to have nightmares.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 14, 2008, 11:27:29 PM
Thanks for that photo..now I am going to have nightmares.

Sorry.. :) Do we follow the star Lala?

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7535/lionsden148ak1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 14, 2008, 11:44:27 PM
Quotes from Chuckrat today.. ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9499/charlierattattoosq1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


The possibilty of corruption (or, to throw a bone Jonathan's way, people making mistakes) doesn't really enter the equation as far as explaining why there is no evidence. In fact, under my scenario, police corruption or incompetence are both pretty much ruled out.

And I have never accused Beth Holloway of being guilty of anything except deliberately spreading mis-information about Aruba in order to (1) keep the case on TV every night and (2) support her attempts to create a boycott of the island.

Now we have a definition for "worst case scenario", that is: whichever one is under UpChuckRat!  Eeeeeewwwww!

I love the "pretty much ruled out" statement.  PRETTY MUCH......way to commit!
There's a big vote of confidence from UpChuckRat......with a lot of built-in wiggle room for when it all comes tumblin' down.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Whattabuffoon!







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 12:07:48 AM
Chuckie is a sad excuse for a human being, IMO.

Oh, he's human?  I thought he was a rat in disguise.

 :smt107


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 12:37:24 AM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2841.new#new

Topic: Stay safe Monkeys in the Path of the Storm

Please check in.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 12:53:08 AM
 O/T

Thank You to Everyone for the Prayers We are Safe.....No Damage Here!
Please continue to Pray for the Others in the path of these Storms... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 12:59:03 AM
Klaas....Just wondering...Have You heard from Caps lately.....I have not seen Him in the cage lately....Just alittle concerned...TIA  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2008, 01:05:49 AM
Klaas....Just wondering...Have You heard from Caps lately.....I have not seen Him in the cage lately....Just alittle concerned...TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

No I haven't heard from him.  I'll try sending him an email in hopes that he responds.  I worry as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 01:09:46 AM
Klaas....Just wondering...Have You heard from Caps lately.....I have not seen Him in the cage lately....Just alittle concerned...TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

No I haven't heard from him.  I'll try sending him an email in hopes that he responds.  I worry as well.
Thank You! Please let Me know if You hear from Him... ::MonkeyCool:: By the Way I'm Really Happy to see that You are Feeling Much Better!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2008, 01:14:31 AM
Klaas....Just wondering...Have You heard from Caps lately.....I have not seen Him in the cage lately....Just alittle concerned...TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

No I haven't heard from him.  I'll try sending him an email in hopes that he responds.  I worry as well.
Thank You! Please let Me know if You hear from Him... ::MonkeyCool:: By the Way I'm Really Happy to see that You are Feeling Much Better!

I will!  Thanks, I'm glad I'm feeling better too, LOLOL  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 01:22:06 AM
Klaas....Just wondering...Have You heard from Caps lately.....I have not seen Him in the cage lately....Just alittle concerned...TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

No I haven't heard from him.  I'll try sending him an email in hopes that he responds.  I worry as well.
Thank You! Please let Me know if You hear from Him... ::MonkeyCool:: By the Way I'm Really Happy to see that You are Feeling Much Better!

I will!  Thanks, I'm glad I'm feeling better too, LOLOL  ::cartwheel::
Yes...I bet You are!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 01:27:00 AM
O/T

Thank You to Everyone for the Prayers We are Safe.....No Damage Here!
Please continue to Pray for the Others in the path of these Storms... ::MonkeyCool::

Hotping, you're back!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 01:30:03 AM
O/T

Thank You to Everyone for the Prayers We are Safe.....No Damage Here!
Please continue to Pray for the Others in the path of these Storms... ::MonkeyCool::

Hotping, you're back!

 ::MonkeyDance::
Yep....Present and Accounted For...Those Storms were something else...Thanks for Your Prayers and Concern.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 01:30:19 AM
Klaas....Just wondering...Have You heard from Caps lately.....I have not seen Him in the cage lately....Just alittle concerned...TIA  ::MonkeyCool::

No I haven't heard from him.  I'll try sending him an email in hopes that he responds.  I worry as well.
Thank You! Please let Me know if You hear from Him... ::MonkeyCool:: By the Way I'm Really Happy to see that You are Feeling Much Better!

I will!  Thanks, I'm glad I'm feeling better too, LOLOL  ::cartwheel::

Me, three.  Is any of this crazy weather affecting your air?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 01:32:00 AM
O/T

Thank You to Everyone for the Prayers We are Safe.....No Damage Here!
Please continue to Pray for the Others in the path of these Storms... ::MonkeyCool::

Hotping, you're back!

 ::MonkeyDance::
Yep....Present and Accounted For...Those Storms were something else...Thanks for Your Prayers and Concern.... ::MonkeyCool::

YW. anything for one of the confusion sisters.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 01:32:18 AM
I do think I did a fine job of giving him an appropriate tattoo complete with rat "droppings"  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Yep...A fine job indeed....but I agree with Lala's about the nightmares... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 01:32:45 AM
(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies..._files/InLorriesLiving.jpg)

Rocking out very hard at Lorenzo’s party

+++++++++++++++

Hmmmmm have we seen this pic before? Armin Solognier and his Aruban band Wild Fire.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: hotping on May 15, 2008, 01:33:25 AM
O/T

Thank You to Everyone for the Prayers We are Safe.....No Damage Here!
Please continue to Pray for the Others in the path of these Storms... ::MonkeyCool::

Hotping, you're back!

 ::MonkeyDance::
Yep....Present and Accounted For...Those Storms were something else...Thanks for Your Prayers and Concern.... ::MonkeyCool::

YW. anything for one of the confusion sisters.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2008, 01:35:55 AM
(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies..._files/InLorriesLiving.jpg)

Rocking out very hard at Lorenzo’s party

+++++++++++++++

Hmmmmm have we seen this pic before? Armin Solognier and his Aruban band Wild Fire.

I don't remember seeing it before.  Is it really at Lorenzo's?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 01:36:20 AM
BB   I have never seen that before, I am not ignoring you.

Is that his house?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: klaasend on May 15, 2008, 01:38:41 AM
You better go back to bed San


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 15, 2008, 01:40:00 AM
It is his caption, not mine though I don't imagine the pic is very new. A Solognier is 35, at least that is what i read on his site.

http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies....html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 15, 2008, 04:26:11 AM
Thanks Rob and johan555 I did try but got lost johan555 you have the google pro right. Is that the $400.000 one?

yep


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 15, 2008, 05:11:21 AM
here anothe shot
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/pondview.jpg?t=1210842456)

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/onderkopie.jpg?t=1210842518)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 05:23:41 AM
Johan555

What is that muck on the bottom left corner?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 15, 2008, 05:50:03 AM
johan555  Thanks, the maps are nice and clear. 

It took all that time for both of them to come up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 15, 2008, 05:58:30 AM
There was another witness who saw the boys near the tennis club
were does she live ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/nummer5copy.jpg?t=1210845275)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: San on May 15, 2008, 06:02:18 AM
You better go back to bed San

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 15, 2008, 06:02:35 AM
Johan555

What is that muck on the bottom left corner?

muck ? what do you mean ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 06:02:54 AM
Quotes from Chuckrat today.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

(snip)

The possibilty of corruption (or, to throw a bone Jonathan's way, people making mistakes) doesn't really enter the equation as far as explaining why there is no evidence. In fact, under my scenario, police corruption or incompetence are both pretty much ruled out.

And I have never accused Beth Holloway of being guilty of anything except deliberately spreading mis-information about Aruba in order to (1) keep the case on TV every night and (2) support her attempts to create a boycott of the island.

What happened to the bones?  The belt?  The blood in Deepak's car?

Where has the case been on TV every night?  Anyone youtube that?

Do people on Aruba make mistakes?  What are they doing to fix them?

On one hand, it seems like people may really be looking for answers to what happened to Natalee Holloway.  I hope her remains are returned to her family and not lost in the system.

On the other hand, what good will any evidence do in this case?  Will the remains be kept just in case someone finds the real killer?

Justice tranparent?  Who is above the law in Aruba?  Untouchable?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: johan555 on May 15, 2008, 06:03:56 AM
You better go back to bed San

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

San > to Bed !  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 06:08:13 AM
Natalee's remains will be found in God's time,  at the time he chooses.

I will remain patient.  I will have faith that Aruba will return Natalee to her family.  And, I will continue to search for answers.

She has to be somewhere.  Someone has the answers, and I believe Joran remains the key to finding them.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 15, 2008, 06:13:17 AM
The Bible makes many references to time.  There are references about a day being like a year, and wandering the desert for forty years.

I wonder where JVDS will be in forty years?  Will he be looking back on his life and wondering about the devastation his lies caused?

If he had one thing to do over, would he make different choices?

If he could change the course of his life, would he do the right thing?

Will he be a world famous running man?  No home.  No country.  No peace?  Ever?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: GBMW on May 15, 2008, 07:01:20 AM
Briany/Katriana is no longer able to post at SM.  After 3 years I'm not willing to play his/her type of games.  He/she has been banned.  ::MonkeyCool::

Her / his type of games? She / he is just critical about some of the general opinions here....she / he isn't putting actual blame on Natalee or her family....so why is she / he banned?

If you don't like Briany's posts....just ignore them...don't respond. As long as she / he isn't bashing Natalee or her family (and being critical somewhat isn't bashing) I don't see what the problem is.
Beth hasn't been an angel in this case....100% understandable and I don't blame her...but it doesn't mean innocent people didn't get hurt enormously because of her.

I'm getting the feeling I'll have to go to RU and give a big fat apology for defending this forum.

Briany; if you're reading this....please contact me through RU...I appreciated your input so I'll hope you'll join there or just give me pm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 07:10:33 AM
(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies..._files/InLorriesLiving.jpg)

Rocking out very hard at Lorenzo’s party

+++++++++++++++

Hmmmmm have we seen this pic before? Armin Solognier and his Aruban band Wild Fire.


Klaas...We posted about this in Shango, started on page 23 of the current thread. Vms 'dug' up a lot on Armin.

I don't think we could determine if it was 'our' Lorenzo's basement!

IIRC there are not very many basements in Aruba...

I don't remember seeing it before.  Is it really at Lorenzo's?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 15, 2008, 07:20:02 AM
Johan...are you talking about the jogger? If so, I am not sure where she lived.

I have seen posts referring to the Racquet Club as the Star. The pic you posted is new, but the Racqet Club was completely renovated in 2005.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 15, 2008, 07:34:45 AM
Thanks for that photo..now I am going to have nightmares.

It is certainly not something you want to see first thing in the morning either.  YUCK.

Good morning. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 15, 2008, 07:44:34 AM
Thanks Rob, the last map puts the location in perspective. Its on the way from the beach to the sloot home.


Indeed......interesting. Nice map Rob, thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 15, 2008, 07:53:29 AM
I do not remember seeing the Band photo before either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 15, 2008, 08:29:22 AM
There was another witness who saw the boys near the tennis club
were does she live ?



TJ Ward had a witness that saw Deepak's car circle the area. I remember seeing video and I believe she lived in a condo/apt in that area. If I remember correctly they were new. I don't know exactly where though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: vms on May 15, 2008, 08:33:29 AM
(http://web.mac.com/asolognier/iWeb/Wild%20Fire%27s%20Stall/When%20they%20were%20ponies..._files/InLorriesLiving.jpg)

Rocking out very hard at Lorenzo’s party

+++++++++++++++

Hmmmmm have we seen this pic before? Armin Solognier and his Aruban band Wild Fire.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg375932#msg375932

Remember Merian's contact info at RWV?

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/vms58/manosalmono2.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Observer on May 15, 2008, 08:37:39 AM
Aruban band Wildfire

http://www.youtube.com/user/asolognier


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: Peaches on May 15, 2008, 08:42:33 AM
There was another witness who saw the boys near the tennis club
were does she live ?



TJ Ward had a witness that saw Deepak's car circle the area. I remember seeing video and I believe she lived in a condo/apt in that area. If I remember correctly they were new. I don't know exactly where though.

I agree.  I paid attention whenever TJ Ward was on because he's from ATL.  This is how I remember the witness as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -
Post by: wreck on May 15, 2008, 08:44:50 AM