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Need to run to the store real quick - be back in a bit  ::MonkeyWink::

What do we know about the funeral homes on aruba ?
How many ?
And were are they ?

I couldn't go back!!!

But thanks for the reminder Johan...

TM or SS....not sure exactly which month, around June or July of 2004 or 2005, there is a HENDRIQUES (SP). It would not let me look at it. I opened every other one on that page. What it told me was strange, but it was a couple of weeks ag and I don't remember what it was. Not sure if either of you is still interested in the name, but just in case...

There is this one - http://www.adpatres.com/ but the domain has changed and it's not coming up. So they either changed their domain or didn't pay their bill.

And there is this one also. Seems to be a sister funeral home to Mementomori but with a few different owners.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/MementomoriFuneralHomeYolanda-Leo-E.png)

here minister Ballin reaction to questions in full about Van der Eem:

http://caesu.nl-web.com/KST118125.pdf

source: parlando.sdu.nl

related to this article in amigoe:
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42384.php

Two more funeral homes:

Agencia Funeraria del Pueblo
Address: Meiveld 14
Phone: (297)582-5622

Agencia Funeraria Zepp Wever
Address: Caya G.F. Betico Croes 49C-D
Phone: (297)583-7577

Here's another:

B B S
Address: Balashi 66A
Phone: (297)588-5653

other unrelated news.
big breakthrough in a case from 1994.

Peter R. de Vries attributed over 40!! broadcasts to this case over the years.
to the Natalee Holloway case for now 3 or 4? i believe.


http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/05/man_arrested_for_putten_murder.php

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/nieuws-putten-mening-prdv-tot.htm

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/nieuws-putten-doorbraak-tot.htm

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/dossiers/christelambrosius/dossierstot.htm

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/extraboek-putten-vriendin-tot.htm

Peter is TOPPIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::

Klassend:

MBOX

Just replied Caps

wow...quiet day...hardly made a page

Persistence videos

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L8GKU7VEcSM&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mR5hUZqvFFA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjEkq7F2rM&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCfgOC5udWM&feature=related

Renfro speaks, is this for real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb4XwnKV1q4&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lOtbxk9JDw&feature=related

There are all kinds of odd videos out there. 

Yes, for real and I believe part of the Renee Geilen (sp) crap.

O.K. I have been reading the front page.  First off, I have such immense respect for Tim Miller for helping that family on Aruba search for their son.  He is a HERO in my book. ::MonkeyDance::  Now for the next article, Patrick asked for money from the Dutch--WTF is going on here.  I do not want to think Beth has been made a fool of AGAIN by Aruba and now the Dutch but this article appears to point in that direction.  It is time to have Beth or Dave on with Dana and answer some questions for us again.  Almost 3 years and this is still going on.  BOYCOTT THAT ISLAND.  The U.S. state department needs to answer some questions themselves.  I am spitting mad after reading that article.  Guess I will go fix something to eat and see if that helps. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi, FOM.....I think you can get the pages rolling.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have you heard from MJ?  Wondering if anything new with him.

thanks whiskey

no..haven't heard from him in a while.
i think his computer is down.  he called a few months ago and wanted me to send him a new cell phone.
Everything is cheaper here i guess.  I never sent it and have not heard from him since

ipsigs...i see u ::MonkeyCool::

Guess 'be well' CC couldn't hook him up with a phone??   ::MonkeyHaHa::  & don't tell me somebody stole his old one.....I guess I was just wondering if he's working, etc. 

he was.
honestly, when I heard he was saying that maybe Natalee RAN AWAY
i began to wonder if it was a worthwhile friendship to continue

and...i also considered he might be saying that out of ALE inspired "fear"...still, it bothered me.

I don't know the guy but I doubt that is what he really thinks..Many of the Arubans I have spoken to have that kind of attitude but quickly change after getting to know them. Normally they admit to most of the obvious,but tell us to look at our crimes, government and say they do not want to get involved. The Fear is very real in Aruba,especially those that were warned to shut there mouths. It's amazing that it was Paul Van Der Sloot who sued the Govt and not Micky Johns.

We know that Karin Janssen held back vital information about PVDS and only released it upon appeals,that stopped PVDS from collecting his judgement $$$ and then she left the country. She is the same person that had this info in the beginning,but released PVDS as a suspect and issued him his good conduct card,enabling him to work for the GOVT and practice law.

================================
June 14th Interview with Micky John and his ATTY
Micky says he never got a reason why he was arrested until today. Micky confirms that they were trying to set someone up and he and his colleague were the unfortunate ones.
http://tinyurl.com/3xpjsu

right....no one really wants to talk about it right off.  and mj prob wants to forget it all together.  unless it gets him something in return perhaps. i had only known him about a year when this happened.  only well enough to believe initally that he would n't do anything to Natalee

This conversation is reminding me that I still have a lot of questions about Judge Kuiperdal and the extent of his involvement in the coverup of the crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/08/national/main700290.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/08/national/main700290.shtml)

Judge Keeps Aruba Suspects In Jail

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 8, 2005
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(CBS/AP) An Aruban judge ruled Wednesday there was sufficient cause to continue holding two former hotel security guards arrested earlier this week in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama honors student.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal decided that authorities may hold suspects Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, while prosecutors investigate them on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, said their respective court-appointed defense lawyers, Noraina Pietersz and Chris Lejuez. Capital kidnapping is a charge brought when an abduction victim is killed. The two suspects have not been formally charged.

Attorney General Caren Janssen confirmed the judge's decision in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

"They are accused of, first of all, murder. Conspiracy to commit murder homicide, conspiracy to commit homicide and capital kidnapping," Lejeuz said Wednesday on CBS News' The Early Show.

Both suspects, whom he initially represented, told Lejeuz "they've never seen Natalee Holloway, and they've never spoken to Natalee Holloway," he told co-anchor Hannah Storm.

The suspects were first identified publicly Wednesday by friends and relatives. Pietersz and Lejuez confirmed their identities following the judge's closed-door hearing, which took place at a police station where the men are jailed, outside the capital of Oranjestad.

The former security guards worked for a hotel two blocks from the Holiday Inn where 18-year-old Natalee Holloway had been staying. Their work contracts had expired on May 29, one day before Holloway disappeared, said authorities close to the case who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Investigators have not found any solid proof of Holloway's death, however, despite extensive land and water searches, which continued Wednesday. Holloway's parents were holding out hope that she was still alive.

The parents said they had not received any request for ransom or any other evidence that she had been kidnapped or murdered.

"As far as I know, there's no evidence of that, so that gives me hope that Natalee is still alive," stepfather Jug Holloway told Early Show co-anchor René Syler. "That's what we're here to do, is find Natalee."

Judge Kuiperdal will review the former security guards' case again next Wednesday and every eight days after that until there is a final resolution, the defense lawyers said. Aruban law allows authorities to hold the two suspects, who were arrested Sunday, for a total of 116 days without filing formal charges.

In an interview following the hearing, Pietersz said the prosecutors had asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until next Wednesday, when they hope to conclude their investigation.

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicions from investigators — not solid evidence — are needed for a judge to rule that the suspects can continue to be held, Pietersz said.

"I do believe my client is innocent, that's all I can tell you," she added.

Lejuez asserted earlier Wednesday that there is "no evidence whatsoever" to indicate the suspects had anything to do with Holloway's disappearance.

At least one of the two men had a reputation of trying to pick up women at tourist hotels on the Dutch Caribbean island, police said. But both men insist they never met Holloway, Lejuez said.

Jones' common-law wife, Cynthia De Graaf, said she and her husband were together continuously both on May 29 and May 30.

"He was home. He was even sick," De Graaf said, breaking down in tears as she waited for the hearing to start. "They ruined everything. My daughter has been asking for her father."

Jones' mother, Cynthia Rosalie Jones, 64, added that the only way her son knew about Holloway was from seeing the news on television.

"They have my son there for something he knows nothing about," Jones said emphatically. "My son is innocent."

Police last week questioned and then released three men whom they referred to as "persons of interest." The three told police they took Holloway to a beach and then dropped her off at her hotel the night she vanished.

"Those guys saw her last," said 33-year-old Alvin Cornett, a man who identified himself as a friend of Jones. He added that the case against the former security guards "is like a frame."

"Those other three guys are rich."

Jones and John "are just regular guys," Cornett said.

Holloway vanished while on a five-day trip with more than 100 classmates celebrating their high school graduation. Seven chaperones accompanied them.


 

Nice find TM! It makes me wonder why the shuffling of judges so early in the case? Did he go from a Judge to working in the law firm of Helen Lejuez? When they reviewed this case how did the Dutch even move on past the first week? Heck what were there impressions about the events of June 10th and 11th? They can't explain any of it and this nightmare has reached epic status for being utterly ridiculous.

I wonder why the two security guards aren't devoting the rest of their lives to filing compensation claims agains the government? 

I wonder where they are after three years?

Good questions *******, and I'd really like to know the answer to the bolded one when it comes to this Judge.  Very strange in my opinion.  I smell something rotten...
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Understand where you are, and rightfully so....you shared, so very early on the friendship....now, at this juncture, I pushed the envelope a little....does the bolded mean that you have a little doubt?  If so, why? 

no, 2NJ, never had a doubt.  i still don't think he would ever hurt anyone .
i don't know why he never sued.  maybe no lawyer in aruba wanted to touch his case? i don't know.
i think he tried.   

My guess would be the same as all the others. It's because they have to live there! These two men and there Family's are extremely vulnerable if they did anything to oppose that Government. They are immigrants and the visas lie in the hands of Mr Rudy Croes. It's not like MJ and the other security guard live in Aruba alone as they have others to think about as well. I am sure that has crossed the minds of many of the witnesses in this case. I can only imagine how ugly things could get for someone in Aruba if they cross that Govt..Heck Natalee is a total victim and look what they did to her and her Family.

What about Helen?  This old post from BF at RWV seems to suggest that Helen would be a lawsuit target some day.  I wonder if anything has been filed against her?

Why? She only relayed to us what the OM told her and the documents she read. Steve Cohen did the same thing and Dompig made some claims on video.

Thank you, fom....when you don't have the resources, it's hard to fight back.  You may be right about lack of interest by law 'professionals' in Aruba.

Good point, *******...I wasn't thinking of national status when I asked FOM about MJ....

wow whiskey.....where'd ya find that????   you monkeys are amazing.  :)

the only thing i know is it took A LONG time for mj to be taken off the suspect list.
And mj said he could not sue til he was off the list.
his lawyer seemed to be co#k blocking him tho....taking forever....i thought he should get a different one, but he was confident he had a great lawyer.

For all we know MJ and the other guy both already got a settlement check and signed a disclosure. Unlikely I know,as these two appear to have no rights. Wasn't it Deepak and Joran who were both hinting they were gonna get payed when incarcerated? Did Deepak invest his money in the Cyberzone Cafe or is it just coincidental his step father bought it?

Blast from the past.

Joran tells the undercover NE girl about being compensated with $26,000.  Maybe a lie...maybe not....

Last paragraph:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/ne/index.html

i don't think any of them got an official settlement...as of 3 months ago i would say mj didn't or wouldn't be asking me to send a phone.....i've been wrong before tho..lol

From the National Enquirer, October 10, 2005 print edition, page 37 -


The internet edition of this story is here - http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326  dated 9-30-05.

One can search at www.nationalenquirer.com for other stories.

I've always wondered what other information Kristina may have.

I am still so irate to learn that the International School of Aruba is receiving financial support from the Office of Overseas Schools of the US Department of State.  I have contacted Paul Sibley, Headmaster, and asked for a clarification of these funds that are advertised on their website.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

ty buckeye...am i the only monkey that never saw that?

When I reread some of these old RWV posts, I go WOW.  I wonder who may have seen Guido's white car near C&C?  How well known was GW's car?

Does it really matter that he was gay?  Does it really matter that his ticket was purchased before Natalee disappeared?  Straw men?



This was from here, and old body of post that has been deleted from RWV.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/05/5.html

Guido just bought that car so it wasn't well known in Aruba. I bet several winesses saw that white car drive erraticly next to Deepaks car and thats why JK2 brought it up in the PV'S. I believe that car was Guido's Nissan and not some bs rented Toyota. I bet that statement got changed just like Beths,when she said the Father of Joran but the statement came out a man with glasses from that first night.

Eleven months is a little late to be searching a house? 

I don't remember GW having a sister.  Is she famous on Aruba? 

Guido did not go to the same school as Joran. I believe he went to Mon Plaisir as reportedly witnesses saw him with scratches on his face there as well as the casino.

So many of these old posts went right over my head.  I never read at SM because I couldn't find the forum :( ...

Here is another one that I missed at the time -

Haha..CC finds someone immediately that recognized Joran's car from just a few details..The funny thing is it wasn't Jorans car but the Kalpoes and everyone says he only knew the Kalpoes a few months and they hung out once a week. I suppose CC got lucky immediately when he picked out that particular beach with details of Deepak's car that led to Jorans house. Why would anyone associate that car as being Jorans?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I believe GW also played tennis at the same club.  Maybe they were seen together there after Natalee disappeared?  With or without makeup?

Do you work in a public school here in NJ?  Must be thoughtful of funds and who pays them when speaking of being irate.  Yes, I posted while working, if you are wondering.

the way cc told it, the car was recognized as deepak's.  the boys knew the three of them ran around together.  charles knew by that time what jvds' name was.
dennisintn

There was also discussion about GWs car at the time -



What is a quad runner?











I wonder what happened to the bumper?  The tire? 

What is a quad runner?

Where in the Garden State are you?  I'm in Bergen.

Quad Runner - example:

(http://www.quad-atv.za.net/Images/Suzuki_Quad_Runner_LT-F160_yellow.jpg)

Passaic...

Someone just said...."Guido was driving irradically close to Joran's car (he was in)."
If so maybe the little priss was jealous that Jvs was with a girl and not.  Maybe he DID
follow them and started a fight with NH because of Jvs relationship.  I still believe in my gut she was injured by the "group." effort and they were at one time at the sloots.  Also that Geoffrey van Cromvroit, van der Stratten and Palus was the final solution.  Van der Stratten didn't want to "do" what to his best friend's son?  He has his OWN agenda.  They are a slab of crap.  Joran is the only one in that group who was less than 18 and they let it all fall on him in order to secure "early" release if they were caught up with.  NH may have gotten to the ALE and tried to report what happened and Vanderstratten and cohorts took her back to the Sloots.  I hope Vanderstratten reaps the rewards of his failing in the job he was given to protect the public.  He is a piece of crap right up there with the other perpetrators.  Had he done his job, this whole thing would have been over years ago.  He is lower than the rest in ways, as he had the DUDY, sworn to perform and joined with the thugs against an innocent and helpless girl and her family.  I despise him as much as I do the Sloots.     jackb

Those two Kalpoe cyotes never got any official money.  They may have gotten some hush money from the sloots.  They would have done collected from everyone, had they gotten official money a "wrongful" arrest.  They quit pushing because they know they are guilty as heck and there are indeed sneaker tracks or some type tire track on that arm in the picture that supposed to be "NH" on the bar dancing, proving by part of a similar bathing suit top and nothing else.  That picture is not what is was exposed to be.  The arm if analyzed properly will show it is not an arm of a healthy person and has, when proper lighting and adjustments made, have sneaker tracks plain as day on it.  The bathing suit top was pasted in and the arm is upward and now reaching down.  More mockery.  That picture is the most evil thing anyone could ever do to a person injured to attempt to show that person alive and "dancing" on a stage, when she in fact, is most likely deceased there.  This should really rock your worlds tonight.  Jackb

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39658

This is a link to a ten page discussion over at Websleuths when Guido Wever was arrested in May of '06. 

I was thinking Ms Arlene was kin to some of the perps.  She sure seemed like she was anti-H/T.  She knows more than she is saying too.
Seems this might be the new subject arrested the NH case. Lots of rumors flying, so unsure as to the veracity of this.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

He is a former (or current) tennis buddy of Joran's.

Snippet from above:

"on Dutch TV news.

The arrested person is Guido Wever, father is Frohverd Wever, he is a cousin of Arlene Schipper, he is still in The Netherlands, being interrogated, daily.

He seems to have moved from Aruba to the Netherlands 14 days after Natalee disappeared.
He was a "croupier" at the HI Casino and had been questioned before by Aruban police.

The reason for his arrest is, murder, kidnapping, sexual assault . . .

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I just started to say this is old, but interesting stuff here.  They knew NH was dead or they would not have started charging people with the charges, unless they knew by charging them with these charges they would be cleared, lacking a body to prove.   j/b

« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2008, 07:30:28 PM » From *******   
 
It makes me wonder why the shuffling of judges so early in the case? Did he go from a Judge to working in the law firm of Helen Lejuez? When they reviewed this case how did the Dutch even move on past the first week? Heck what were there impressions about the events of June 10th and 11th? They can't explain any of it and this nightmare has reached epic status for being utterly ridiculous.

*******... from what I have read Judge John S. Kuiperdal was a Judge long before Natalee disappeared.

After reading the posts saying he had died, I have assumed that his name was still on the law firm, as with Mr Wever from Croes Wever and Tchong. I really have no idea if the man is alive or not, but the info in the posts came from somewhere. IIRC the first post was from Leslie and she used to bring the papers every morning.

Since i follow this case i have the idea the fam Wever is involved .
Pa vd Sloot said : no body no case
Joran said: they never find her back
They are so sure about that ,that they can manipulate the media .
Joran is playing with the media and he makes  money  ,with his book and interviews etc .
I chat with several people from Aruba and they all say there is no funeral on Aruba .
But i found this one http://www.zeppwever.com/ and another one http://www.mementomori.net/04147.html
It is not easy to find any info about this 2 funerals and maybe they are for animals .
So my idea is that they brought the dead body to a funeral ,but i can be wrong

Not exactly sure what you are looking for.  Yellow pages lists of funeral homes/agencies:

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/Categories/Shops+&+Services/Funeral+agencies/

Now if you're asking about a crematorium, Wevers purchased one.  I believe Rob spoke to the manufacturer and the site had a list of the clients, including Wever, in Aruba.

johan

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp#countries

Matthews Cremation Division – International Installations
United States   2657
Argentina   24
Aruba   1
Australia   21
Bahamas   4
Barbados   1

i am looking for the addresses
i will make some Google shots     !

Going through some 'oldies' that I had save.


http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/dutchaffairs/ant050204

The Hague rethinks ties with Netherlands Antillesby Louise Dunne and the RN Internet desk

04-02-2005
 
Some islands would like to be 'Dutch municipalities in the Caribbean'

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende is currently touring the islands that make up the Netherlands Antilles, the first official visit by a Dutch premier in ten years. Since the relationship between the Netherlands and the Netherlands Antilles isn't always easy, Mr Balkenende risks stirring up strong feelings about independence for the islands.

(snipped)

yes i am looking for  a crematorium

I see a mementomori funeral in Aruba .. cemetery?? the website has been stopped after June 2006 to mention all the names of people who are buried .. or cremated? The whole site is down from that moment ...
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Funeralkopie.jpg)

and i see the same name as the vd Sloots maid here [margarita Werleman]
is she family ?

Are you saying Natalee is not dancing on the stage

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/image1431061g.jpg)

Two out of four Funeral Homes in Aruba are both in Oranjstad and both owned by “WEVER”.
Mementomori Director Yolanda Wever. Friend of Paulus Van der Sloot.
Instrumental in establishing a crematorium on Aruba.
Zepp Wever Funeral Home.
The crypts broken into were Urderber(?) and WEVER……
The reason there are crypts on Aruba are not the same reason as New Orleans, LA.
In New Orleans the water table is high so the crypts are above ground level so water will not seep into the sarcophagi.
In Aruba the ground is too hard to dig graves, therefore the above ground crypts.

Could it be that Guido Wever has taken advantage of the availability of a crematorium within the family? Yolanda is rumoured to have been working for the government before and used to have an accounting firm:

http://www.yellowpages-aruba.com/Cat...l/Accountants/

johan555 -- here is an old post I've saved from Grande -- just in case it helps you

1.   Grande Says:
April 26th, 2006 at 9:53 pm

SOURCE: MEMETOMORI FUNERAL HOME - ARUBA

EDMOND FERMIN WERLEMAN DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 35
KERWIN ANTHONY ORVILLE GOIJLA DIED JUNE 4, 2005 - AGE 17
GISELA SULAIKA LOEFSTOP DIED JUNE 15, 2005 - AGE 30
SAUL ARNOLD RAS DIED JUNE 28, 2005 - AGE 29
JASON EUGENE TIN SOENG WONG DIED JULY 10, 2005 - AGE 19
FRANCIS JAMIE NEMENCIO RASMIJN DIED JULY 20, 2005 - AGE 22
ALBERT RICHARD MARQUEZ BUSTAMANTE DIED AUGUST 25, 2005 - AGE 26
ANGELO SATURNINO GERLY DIED SEPTEMBER 14, 2005 - AGE 30
MOISES ALBERTO ROMERO GASIABURU (SP?) DIED OCTOBER 19, 2005 - AGE 34
LYSANDRA ZAHAYRA THIEL DIED NOVEMBER 1, 2005 - AGE 32
ARCADIO SABINO AMADO ROSINA DIED NOVEMBER, 19 2005 - AGE 21
JOSE FERNANDO SANCHEZ DIED NOVEMBER 26, 2005 - AGE 23
SHAILESKOEMAR BHAWEN DIED DECEMBER 25, 2005 - AGE 23
MICHALANGELO GIOVANNI CROES DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33
MICHELL ANDRE HAGE ALSO DIED DECEMBER 31, 2005 - AGE 33

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU SAY HMMM…….
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF SOURCING MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE DETAILS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS SUDDEN DEATHS.

I FIND IT QUITE DISTURBING MYSELF, CONSIDERING IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS LITTLE CRIME ON ARUBA. HOW DID THESE 15! INDIVIDUALS ALL UNDER THE AGE OF 35 ALL COME TO SUDDEN DEATHS SHORTLY THERE AFTER THE INITIAL SURGE OF ATTENTION TO NATALEE’S CASE? MORE IMPORTANTLY PERHAPS IS WHY?

Blonde

IIRC, there was a picture of Natalee's arm, the guy looking up and ?Lee with a very long arm in the front.  At one time, Klaas posted a picture, sent to her (?jack) that showed a picture of JVdS in a beer bottle, taken from that pic....I think....I have no idea what jack's talking about or if that old discussion is what he is referring to. I am not quite sure that if the items, in question, are not open for posting and discussion....why anyone states off-the-wall things.  It's fine to not "share" but then why even bring the matter up?? RU has someone that thinks Beth photoshopped the freckle off of every picture of Natalee...like she would have time or the inclination... ::MonkeyRoll::

I remember that...and I think we were looking for the HI night manager's name....

who is this ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/weverblondkopie.jpg?t=1211380931)

johan

Different topic, but the other day, you were looking at the VDS's maids PV.  You noticed she always worked the early morning hrs. on Mondays...yet we have Paulus's statement:

After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember
what time it was when I got home. I think it was 16.15 hours. According
to me both Rita and Joran where at home. Whether Valentijn and Sebastian
where also there that Monday I cannot remember anymore because
Valentijn and Sebastian quite often went over to a friends house during
that time-period.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.msg61659#msg61659

yes they are all very young

thank you Buckeye  !!!

OK This one 400%, see I share my pictures
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/untitled.jpg)

Taken fron this picture

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Natalee/121451.jpg)

Hi Buckeye...Isn't there something from Joran that says she was there when he got home from school? Pretty sure it was from a PV, may have been his book, but I don't think so. Will take a quick look.

 you can bring ( a dead ) someone to a funeral entrepreneur (wever)
 and say a cremation please!
 The fam Wever can change the papers etc and can say it is someone from Aruba .
 so that's why i am interested in crematoriums

johan555,

This worman's death was noted and discussed early in the case, especially the date.  I do not recall that any specifics about her were found.   

Yes, that theory was discussed....I haven't looked for old posts...not sure if they were lost...may do some searching.

Hi Blonde - yes we did a front page post on this pic (orignally posted at RWV) over a year ago:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/13/natalee-holloway-fauxtograpghy-was-this-an-attempt-to-discredit-natalee/

I didn't see it in the PVs...must have been his book...better take with Oldfart's bag of salt then!...LOL

Different topic again.  Wasn't there a question about Anita and when she was in Aruba?

From Joran's book:

[b]P 115-116[/b]
 
(the following contradicts Paul van der Sloot's account of when Anita returned from the Netherlands)
 
Wednesday June 1, 2005

At  the end of the lessons my mother comes into the classroom and tells me to instantly come to her class room, and to not get on the school bus. I look at her totally surprised, but go to her class room which is next to the History room.

My mother tells me that earlier that day an invasion of jeeps and cars drove up with Americans who all carried white posters.  It’s a poster with a picture of Natalee and the, partially hand-written, text reads: KIDNAPPED NATALEE HOLLOWAY BY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT. They were even putting up the posters in the school.

http://hollowaycase.com/

Update from Destiny...

This am:...


    Hi XXXXXXX
    How are you today?
    I have been talking with Jossy Mansur about the article and he says to me that it is ok to published it in the newspaper.
     
    About the other investigation of the dutch investigators he said to me that he don't know nothing about it, but he gone check it out.  *He needs our help*
     
    The Texas Equisearch is now here for the investigation of the dissapearence of the guy Vicenzo Tromp. They has begin to search yesterday but till now we haven't hear nothing about that.
    Some people says the guy is no more in Aruba, other says he is been killed, but still nothing concrete about it.
     
    If I have more information I will send it to you.
     
    Bye
    Have a nice day
   XXXXXXXX

Destiny....more info to follow....

Wrong picture.  For someone who thinks I am such a dunce, you seem to value my opinion.
Why?  I guess the first picture brought you in some bread???? Just to give you something to do, it is the picture that just shows an arm and part of a bathing suit top that is supposed to be NH.  There is is stupid face pastie "starting up at the bar" supposing to be interested in the "dancer."  The picture is a mockery.   jackb

Sounds just right to me.  Also Vanderstratten should have been arrested on the spot for saying he couldn't do that to his best friend's kid.  So, I guess it is alright for this fish brain to arrest someone elses' "kid" for this murdering Vds kid and cohorts' crimes.  jackb

{{edit - stop with the insults}}.  Bigger is not always better.
    Jackb

Any Mods here? Klaas are you around? Please help in Missing Persons...Brian Swanson, 19....should read Brandon Swanson, 19 ........TIA

Interesting.  NH disappears on Morn of may (May 29/30th.)  Anita supposed to be in Holland until the following Wed. (would that be the 3rd?)is my understanding.  That would put June 1, 2005 on Tuesday before Anita gets home that this post is made.  Is this what I am seeing?   I, as I said do NOT believe Anita was in Holland during this NH disappearance.  The timing just for the school year would make that unlikely.  Also how many of her old "Aunte's" birthday celebrations did the Vandersloots ever attend previously?  I would be few if any.  That is a usually expensive trip, a bad time of year, and the whole think stinks of.  "See, I have an alibi."  Without even having to have one.  Joran is protecting his "mommy dearest" from her part in this.  She has a part.  That should be established.  That is probably where part of the bottleneck is.  She never was looked at closely at all.    Jackb

sunday was the 29, monday the 30th, tues. 3l, wednesday, june l.  isn't this right?
dennisintn

Dennis - you are correct on the dates:

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From Paulus PV of 6/23/2005
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm


To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can state the following. I cannot remember exactly but I think it was the Tuesday or Wednesday before that Monday the 30th of May that she departed for the Netherlands. Anita was in the Netherlands for seven or eight days. 

thanks, klaas, for some reason, i had the hardest time with the dates and days.  glad your calendar shows the moon positions.  a waning half moon, on a cloudy night with rain coming in, i have always had a really hard time believe that any l8yr. old stranger would allow herself to be left stranded on a beach in the middle of the night.
dennisintn

Dear Cage Mates....as long as this *bickering* continues....I choose not to participate anymore....

Destiny

I demand a Quarter for every time I have posted that one, too, lmao.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

i will send you a Quarter when you can tell me were it is
the crematorium and the location   ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

destiny, don't make us come over there.  we'll stay a long time and we eat like elephants.
dennisintn

and when  info@matthewscremation.com

send me a answer  ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you for contacting us, a Matthews representative will contact you as soon as possible to address your questions or comments. If you need immediate assistance please call us toll free at 1-800-327-2831.

johan, as the slowest monkey here, i sincerely hope you aren't going to ask for "volunteers" to check out the services there.
dennisintn

  She was supposed to have gotten in in the evening on Wednesday, was my understanding.  Yes, May has 31 days though.  Even being off on that30 31 day thing, Anita was not supposed to have been in school from what I understand.  She was supposed to have gotten in on 3 third I read one place.  Also the date thing still does not jive for her being away. One photo showed her pulling up in a car towards evening.  It has been quite awhile, but yes, I did my days thinking may had 30 days (sorry,) Still she would not have reported right to school with all that going on.  The thing is way off for her to be cleared on this, any way you look at it.   jackb
   Jackb

Phone calls cost more over there too.  You better think about not having a phone.  Jack who likes to hold sweet Destiny's hand.   j/b

Destiny....Please don't leave.....I MISS YOU ALREADY  ::MonkeyWaa::...Can't You just ignore the bickering....That's what I have decided to do.....And Besides that I bet Klaas will straighten Them out before to long.....I hope anyways..... ::MonkeyCool::

If I see any more bickering or name calling between SM forum members I'm going to start deleting the posts.   

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Have to run out for a bit, be back later   ::MonkeyWink::

Just who.....Doooooo you luuuuuuuuuuve??????? (done in a donkey brey voice.) 

http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-39822
 
leann coburn
05-27-2006, 03:25 PM

There are bound to be many types of incinerators on an island like Aruba. Law enforcement probably use them, hospitals would have to have one available for amputations and such, and I have never read anywhere that this particular funeral home did not complete the crematorium it was granted the permit for in 2004. Also, think of all the cruise ship and tourist waste they must deal with there.

It is a "google" confirmed statement to say that mementomori funeral home asked for and was granted a license to construct and run a crematorium in 2004. They then embarked on a plan of education for the public (which is mainly Catholic), so as to help dispel their fears of the process. Okay, that much is on record. Before that, they sent the bodies to Miami. There was obviously a reason to build the facility, as there is very little space for burial left on the island. (I can only imagine it being like Key West...a lot of coral and little sand and above-ground burial is a must). They said in their article in 2004 that the need and desire for cremations on Aruba was growing and that "we have already had five cases". I agree these were probably sent to Miami, as the facility was unfinished when the article was printed.

All that is needed for a crematorium is an enclosed building with proper ventalation equipped with afterburners to purify any odors escaping the building. The crematorium itself is a piece of machinery about the size of a mini-cooper with the opening about four feet off of the ground. The body is loaded in the tray, it is slid into position, and a button is pushed to close the thick metal door. Then a button is pushed that will automatically take this modern equipment through a cycle. Very basic.

It wouldn't take more than two weeks (at the most) to set up a crematorium at a funeral home IF it wasn't for the permits required. And these permits are environmental in nature, such as to how much pollution is to be released in the process. Neighbors may rightfully complain that the odor of burning gas is upsetting. Of course it would be. So this is the main point here, to make sure the process is clean and not offensive to others. The goal is for it to not even be noticed by passersby. If a person weren't familiar with the types of ventilation needed (that stick up on the roof) then there would be no way to tell.

So how does someone claim that Aruba has no crematoriums? That is a strange statement to make when one was licensed in 2004 because of "need". Is it that there is no longer a need and these people just threw their money away for no reason? I would think not. That is what market research is for. If it was licensed, then it was built. Not a big process to build. Is it a stretch to think that one would use something that was built at some expense? This is the most common of sense. Think about it. Excuse the analogy, but if my hubby built a wonderful barbecue in the backyard, I would use it.

And what of PVDS? He was an environmental lawyer and official before he moved to Aruba. There are articles of how he held up the completion of a needed road for quite some time there because it would run across a section of his property. Don't blame him one bit. But this is how we find out that he was an environmental official. And he is also rumored to have helped with the permits for his friends' crematorium in 2004. One good turn always deserves another. Go figure.

I don't claim to know the truth but I do know that there is a crematorium in Aruba. Have they chained it up not to be used? I guess you could assume that, but it would seem weird to do so. And why would these good people throw that money away?

And yes, there are many types of incinerators that would do the same job, such as what happened with the horror of 9/11. Several people must be scared out of their minds right now. Especially when they read these things. When someone gets close, I'm sure they would try to stop that person. But you can't stop people using their logic.

jmo and that's too much space I've used, so I leave it for now to the rest of you.

Mz Destiny:  This is Jack's uncle Goober.  If you leave I will miss your purdy long lags and purdy har' do.  I will be sad.  You even have your own switchboard.  We all want you to be happy and stay because no body can do a phone like you do.  You will miss us and may cry yourself to sleep.  That is all.  Jacks ungle goober brainwell.

Here is the honourable Mr Paul vd Sloot  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Ewww....disgusting!     (http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/ekelig/h040.gif)

now that's plumb scary. i can vividly remember going home to that kind of scene on pms days.
dennisintn

Maybe they don't incinerate medical waste on Aruba?In which case hospital(s) wouldn't have an incinerator, and this is also what increased the health risks for those who searched in the landfill.

>>>>SNIP

O'Brien said three cadaver dogs hit on specific areas within the landfill early Saturday, but a physical search located three containers of medical waste instead.

http://tinyurl.com/5rvf82

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>>>>SNIP

The dogs checked the holes in the early morning and late afternoon for human scents. At one point they got a hit, but it turned out to be medical waste. Geraldo Rivera's brother Greg interviewed a few searchers today. One of the K9 teams appeared on Fox's HEARTLAND, Joe Huston and I were on THE BIG STORY, and Tim Miller was on AT LARGE WITH GERALDO RIVERA

http://tinyurl.com/3gmzja
 

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Thanks  !
I do know that there is a crematorium ,but were ?

And you know what that will lead to.......  (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/toilet.gif)

So come back here now, if it happens again you can just do this.... (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/notlistening.gif)

until Klaas and her SuperCat see them and do this! (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/flamed.gif)

Hot Damn....Thanks Fearless Leader!  ::MonkeyWink::

OK Destiny....Its All Better Now... Klaas has Spoken........Sooo Come On Back Destiny! Please!  ::MonkeyDance::

::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

There are five means of disposing of a body or, as some may say: "making a body disappear:" cremation, shredding, acid, cementing and devouring.

Cremation can be as sophisticated as a crematorium or as crude as bomb fire pit. A crematorium far exceeds a bone fire pit, because the temperatures reached can disintegrate the entire body, leaving no traces whatsoever for forensic scientists to appraise. Early on in the case, posters from Aruba were quick to discount the existence of any crematorium on Aruba. However, as of late, there now appears to be such a facility with which Paulus van der Sloot was aware.

Whether or not this facility was investigate, we can only assume that the Aruban authorities were satisfied of its non-involvement in Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Shredding is a gruesome form of dispatchment from one's identity. In this macabre procedure, a body is passed through a huge, slaughterhouse-size shredder. These devices are popular for processing pig food from discarded carcasses. Since the refuse products are fresh when processed, generally, they are fed to livestock immediately. Within a few days, a human body could be shred, devoured and excreted through the digestive tracts of livestock, leaving little no traces of the existence of a human being that commenced the process. DNA could be obtained, presumably, from the trace splattering along the sides and upon the blades of the slaughterhouse-size shredder. The key would be to take samples from the inside of the shredder.

Acid (and bases) dissolves the human body. This is a popular technique for massacres and mass executions. Bodies are slaughtered, dumped in pits and covered with acids or bases. The acid burns through the body and disfigures it; whereas, the bases emulsify the body and dissolve it. This form of dispatchment requires the chemicals which are not so easy to acquire. However, the closed areas of the landfill, where no investigation ever took place, would suffice for an acid/base, fast-decomposition scenario.

Cementing is a popular Latin American disappearance scenario for torture victims. This merely requires an area of freshly poured cement in which to immerse a body. Walls are popular locations. Foundations for huge structures likewise present superb opportunities for cementing individuals. Of course, this method requires some preplanning in order to match the body with the fresh cement. However, a dead body can be immersed into a cement slab anytime. When you couple a large boat to transport the slab, it is easy to envision a burial at sea that would go unnoticed. Specially, if it were dropped in the ocean more than 3 miles form land. It would drop the bottom of the ocean and involve centuries, if not millennia, in order to deteriorate.

Lastly, we have devouring. Devouring differs from shredding in that the body is not "prepared" for consumption. A popular method of devouring involves crustaceans. A body just needs to be submerged in a high density crustacean area. Many people would assume that the crab trap scenario would have fit this method; however, there has never been a declaration indicating that a crab trap was ever stolen from the Fishermen's Huts. Actually, the procedure was employed on the island of Ponape in the Federated States of the Micronesia as a form of capital punishment in pre-discovery days. In this form of execution, a "live", naked body was strapped to a wooden pier pillar such that the high tide mark matched the person's mouth in elevation. As high tide came in, the water level rose up the person's body, accompanied with an ample supply of hungry crustaceans. By morning, the body was nearly devoured. A few days of exposure to the crustaceans would cleanse the pillar of any remnants of the person subjected. Natalee Holloway's body could have been subjected to this method with the improvision that she would have been submerged completely for the duration. In a few weeks, she would be gone. The bottom of the pier pillars near the Marriott wharf would suffice.

I hope the foregoing sates the curiosity of our non-believing posters. Could any of the foregoing been employed to make Natalee's body disappear? Of course, any one of the foregoing disposal methods could have been employed. However, if they were employed, we will never find Natalee. She is gone. What should be remembered is that dumping in the ocean or burying would have been discovered by now. They were not.

HarryTho

Pita...Thank You!  Excellent post...and food for thought...

I have newspaper articles of a brand new crematorium/funeral home in Aruba this year. However it's in Papi and the translation never mentioned if there was any others.

i found this on  websleuths

june 2005
Izzy Mae
The only way I know to get rid of a body in this situation and to be sure it never returns, is to have it cremated. There is a relatively new crematorium in Oranjestad. I have worked in several funeral homes with crematoriums. It takes about 3 hours and would then be put into an electric mixer for final powdering.
This fits in the time line. Joran passed his exams; he knows that you can't destroy matter. You can only change its state.
Natalee yet exists.
(if you think i am kidding, google David Sconce or Lamb Funeral Home in Pasadena. Also this is a favorite of the original mafia)

"Buy the ticket, take the ride."

New email:

Hello all!

Just a quick note to let you all know that BFN is back online after being down for a few days!  Thank you for your patience and I hope to see you at BFN soon!

Regards,
The Blogs for Natalee Forum Team.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php

and 07-06-2005:
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Rob did most of the work on crematoriums early in this case.  He just kept on looking and searching...so if a location is what you are looking for...Rob would be the person to ask.  If he doesn't know...I bet he knows who does.

I'M not sure what a Candela is..But if I had to guess I would say Restaurant.

Solo Di Pueblo 5-20-08
(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9693/candelapa7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

wondering2207-10-2005, 07:16 PM
Has anyone found evidence of an operating crematorium on Aruba? I couldn't.
Not yet; however, I've seen talk on chatboards that the oil refinery had a massive incinerator; it was the refinery where the man who was murdered with head lopped off, worked.

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I never saw a link when I looked there, and I didn't find any follow-up after the initial "report", either. Anybody find one? I've looked for news on that story but couldn't find a single thing.

You'd think that AP and others would have picked up a sensational story like that...
I don't see why the wire services would pick up a murder from a foreign country. I believe that it was reported in that Aruban newspaper, name of which, I think, maybe starts, "Diario..."

This murder is being discussed in another thread here, which might interest you:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26041&page=3

Like you, I was amazed when I googled it, as so little showed up; but simultaneously, I feel like I read SO much about it. Anyway, they have the murder victim's name, and also the name of the missing male over at the other thread:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26041&page=3
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IWABWU07-10-2005, 09:54 PM
Two other things have occurred to me.

Many hospitals and medical centers (or other industrial organic biohazard) use large disposal/shredder system to get rid of medical waste (anything literally). First you autoclave it, and then the system grinds everything up into sand like pieces. You can bag and send to a landfill. The advantage is that you do not have bags of waste being dumped on the side of the road, or washing up on shore that can be traced to your facility.

Here is a link to one such site (there are more companies):

http://www.vecoplanllc.com

They also have a system for body waste. It uses wax coated paper mache containers to hold urine, fecal matter, lots of different kinds of containers. The waste is then put in a garbage disposal unit, ground, and flushed down the sewer. The advantage is that you because it is body waste and could go down the toilet, this is ok to put in the sewer. If you used plastic bed pans, you'd have to worry about disposal. Don't remember what this system was called, but it was made in Canada.

The above information about disposal probably doesn't apply to every location worldwide, but is something to think about.

2. Where do they dispose of non-human remains. There are vets and an animal shelter in Aruba. Where are the remains of euthanized animals disposed of? In the larger geographic area in which I live, shelters have several disposal methods. In the winter, double industrial bagged, dumpster, landfill. In the summer, double industrial bag, freezer, dumpster, landfill. I know there are shelters/vets that have creamatoriums in the US. Sell remains to rendering plant. Sell remains to company that provides specimins for biology classes.

And for a previous post, are licenses required for all incinerators? Is there an office with records?

3. While I'm thinking of it, I probably heard of this elsewhere, how do cruise ships dispose of waste? I thought I read that they incinerate it as opposed to dumping it in the ocean.

Hallo Johan..As you know a man was found murdered on June 18th 2005..But did you know he worked for Valero? He worked part time at the hospital incinerater and was rumored to run valero's. He was found nearly decapitated or had a colombian neck tie and was found in the cemetary when they were searching for Natalee. I read what I could on this case and it's very suspicious. His GF went down for the murder but swears she did not do it and it was a colombian and a aruban. He died the same day as the bank employee in PVDS statement

Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005
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18 years in prison in Sabana Basora-murder

ORANJESTAD - The Common Court of Justice of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba eight yesenia Castillo Helleis guilty to the murder of her friend Rene van Heyningen. The Court convicted the woman yesterday to a prison sentence of eighteen years. The public prosecutor had appealed fifteen years demanded. Helleis denies having committed the murder. (Amigoe)

I would say a candela is a fire.

Funerarias=

Del Pueblo              582-5622
Ad Patras               584-2299
Zepp Wever            582-1612
Mementomori          583-3358

Victim’s family is none too happy

At the moment when the authorities discovered the body, they checked the house where the victim lived, and there discovered a lot more blood.

To top it all off, a sibling was told that police in Aruba was going to conduct the reconstruction of events this coming Sunday. Now he calls, they tell him that suddenly the reconstruction took place last Thursday evening. And the parents in Aruba are without a vehicle and could not find a way to get to the place. In the end, they couldn’t get there.

Simply said, the families are none too happy with the investigations that are currently taking place in Aruba.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

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18 years cell in Sabana Basora-murder

ORANJESTAD - The Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba eight Yesenia Castillo Helleis guilty to the murder of her friend Rene van Heyningen. The Court convicted the woman yesterday to a prison sentence of eighteen years. The public prosecutor had appealed fifteen years demanded. Helleis denies having committed the murder. (Amigoe)
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2006/2006-11-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2006-11-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

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In the trial she said she didn't kill Rene Van Heyningen.

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in corte superior, yesenia castillo h. now is tell huez cu the not owing to kill rene van heijnigen oranjestad(aan):

monday nightfall did take lugar the caso of apelacion of yesenia castillo h., that owing to wordo acusa of owing to kill his pareha at one form premedita, usando one machete. in corte of first instancia past owing to admiti cu the was esun cu owing to kill rene v.h., usando one machete. the victima was have provided that overall 65 clip at his curpa. autoridadnan, because; also ministerio publico was have much question in the caso here, specialmente mirando the achievement cu they was convenci cu the muher not can owing to carga y throw the curpa his only in cemetery. during tratamento of the caso in corte of first instancia, past owing to splica detayadamente con past owing to comete the crimen y pakico. past owing to tell cu after of did take much abuse of part of his pareha y one discusion cu they was have the night anterior, past owing to lose cabez y cuminza chop his pareha, cu consecuencia cu this owing to fayece. huez some month happen owing to dicta cu y.c.h have to sit one castigo of 12 year, after cu fiscal owing to exigi 18. past owing to apela sentencia of huez y ministerio publico owing to make same. during tratamento of the caso in corte superior monday, the acusado owing to tell huez cu past owing to dicidi of apela the caso, because the not owing to comete the crimen. past owing to tell huez cu was two man, cu past owing to conoce two week first, via his pareha. according y., the hombernan owing to beat at door y ask about for his pareha. past owing to tell they for keep one rato, sinembargo they owing to march enter the cas. they owing to pushe contra the wall y owing to bay arise the victima for of dream. for casualidad the machete was in camber, because the night anterior, y. y his pareha was have one discusion y r.v.h according y. owing to coi the machete y strike the cune in his cara. the machete owing to stay in the camber y one of the hombernan owing to cuminza chop r.v.h. according yesenia, the not can owing to make nothing y ela stop fast of the box of his child of 11 month. past owing to tell huez cu the hombernan constantemente was busca algo in the cas, but they not owing to achieve this. they owing to menaze y owing to bise for her not tell nothing, but algo will can happen cune or his child. yesenia owing to dicidi of not tell nothing y take the blame for thing is the murder, for so proteha his self y his child. huez owing to puntre dicon now if past owing to come fast y count ; the berdad. past owing to tell cu the not can owing to wanta more in jail, sintando one castigo for algo cu the not owing to comete y sabiendo cu his child will happen several year, without can is cune. huez owing to puntre tocante of the achievement cu some day first cu the asesinato, past owing to take away the machete bay slijp y owing to fill name y number false on the paper cu have to owing to wordo fill. past owing to tell cu past owing to fill cos robez, because the was at telephone y distrai, hour cu the was fill the paper. huez owing to ask about y. for count ; kico owing to sosode after cu the hombernan owing to kill his pareha. past owing to splica cu they owing to stay busca algo y after they owing to place curpa of the victima in his own pickup y owing to bay cune. advocate general owing to trece fast cu was have one cloths poni fast the cortina y owing to tell cu was y. owing to place this, for person not look at kico is sosode in the cas. y. owing to tell huez cu the not owing to place this y cu probably was the hombernan, that owing to make this. advocate general owing to tell cu despite cu the also is think cu was have more person in the caso here, specialmente mirando cu two agent policial self was have problem for hoist y carga the curpa, the is of opinion cu the muher is esun cu owing to kill he. past owing to tell cu the muher his declaracion for thing is the reconstruccion of the caso, was mucho good y detail during of tratamento of the caso in corte of first instancia. one of the hueznan owing to ask about the acusado if is berdad cu his pareha owing to arrive of bise cu if do you clip a at his throat, the not can bark more, as the self owing to decalara some month happen. y. owing to tell cu esey niether do not berdad y cu is the self owing to inventa this. advocate general owing to tell also cu police owing to achieve fingerprint on one box, cu do not neither of the victima neither of the acusado, but alas recherche not owing to follow investiga this, probably because y. owing to confesa cu was the owing to comete the acto criminal. according advocate general, the is believe cu mirando various declaracion cu the victima was have relacion cu another muhernan, y.

will owing to comete the acto debi at sentimentonan of jaloezie. advocate general owing to tell cu the is achieve the castigo ask for fiscal in corte of first instancia of 18 year mucho much, sinembargo past owing to tell cu the castigo of 12 year cu past owing to achieve is mucho bit. pesey past owing to ask one castigo of 15 year. advocate de sousa representando y. owing to tell huez cu have mucho indicacion cu his cliente not owing to comete the murder. past owing to tell cu family self of the victima not can owing to believe cu was y. owing to kill rene. past owing to splica cu at various ocasion the pareha was have problem cu another, but always the muher owing to saca rene for of cas y the was bay close his mother, till hour cu they fix bek cu another. this during of the several añanan cu they was have cu another. y. not have to y then not owing to kill his pareha, because always the was have another opcion. near of this is much cla cu y not can owing to arise the curpa his only, or carga this for place in cemetery. the advocate owing to trece fast also cu was have one person that owing to tell cu morning trempan first cu the crimen owing to sosode, was have two man cu is peace the descripcion of the hombernan cu according y. owing to kill rene, that owing to puntre where the cemetery of sabana broom is stay. according y. one of the hombernan was have one acento colombiano y the another was have one acento of child of corsow. de sousa owing to tell huez also cu in the caso here have mucho doubt of thing owing to sosode y so do you not can give y. one castigo, because all cos is indica cu the not owing to kill rene, but past owing to lie at first instancia, because they owing to menaza the y his child. bao of yoramento y. owing to ask the hueznan for they not dune one castigo for algo cu the not owing to comete. huez owing to tell cu the will give his sentencia on 31 of october for 10:45 at corsow y fax this after for aruba. come across

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2006/10/17/local/news1.php

Poor man's cremation - a barrel and a gallon of gas.

Other advise I was given early on - don't eat the sea food on Aruba.

Dive shops have weights.  Are the weights stored each night?  Could some go missing and no one notice?

I think your right thanks :) I posted it too fast  ::MonkeyWink::

Did you forget the chocolate? 

interesting ******* !
18 years is a longgg time !

Who was this  Rene Van Heyningen ?

::MonkeyWink::

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Seems there has also been a candela na  Taco Bell.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4773/1/

Rumor has it he was the incinerater operater at Valero and worked part time at the Hospital incinerater. He's was a poor black guy with Family in Aruba and St.Maarten living with his GF. There are other suspicions and maybe a neighbor that said it was two men who did the horrible murder or at least helped this Yesenia. Also most interesting was who was questioned in Natalee's case from June 16th -18th.

I don't recall it being confirmed that Rene van Heyningen worked part time at the hospital crematoria, infact I am not sure they have one. Has this been found to be a fact? 

I do recall that he was employed at Valero.

I don't remember anything at all about him working part time at the hospital. 

Article on page 3:

http://www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf

Hard to find any definite facts in this case..lol..He definetly worked at Valero,lived in Sabana Basora and was murdered and dumped at the Govt cemetary. His case is extremely suspicious whether it involves Natalee or not.

Page 225 Loving Natalee

The idea that Natalee was cremated in Aruba surfaces occasionally. The attorney Vinda told us no crematorium there. But many others have told us there is. I was told just a week or two after Natalee dissapeared about the murder of a man who supposedly was the incinerater operater at the refinery and also worked part time at the hospital incinerater. He was beheaded by what locals call a Columbian necktie and dumped in the cemetary.

And remember this from a NL site?:

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http://www.groenetechnieken.nl/

NOTE:  As ******* pointed out, this is the wrong Rene.  The one killed in Aruba was dark skinned per his family.

Hello Klaasend :) I think that is another Rene Van Heyningen.
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Victim’s family is none too happy (Diario article)

“While they can’t even resolve the case of Natalee Holloway…what is of a poor dark skinned San Nicolas born Arubian?” This is the reaction of the family of the deceased, Rene van Heinegin, which they indicated to DIARIO in a telephone interview from St. Maarten.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

Thanks *******  - I didn't remember that article. 

Yes.

Hi Msmarple - you must be fluent by now  ::MonkeyWink::

You better send me her email Klaas..I need a years worth of translations  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh No! Not at all fluent. I just know the words like -

arma di candela (fire arm)

machete

handgran or granada of hand

Molotov cocktail

bat di baseball

Does the local paper say when the spooky Aruba tours begin?  All the ghosts, confessions that never were, headless corpses, etc., make me want to go more than ever. 

Is there room at the inn do you think?

Yes,if you mention the sponsor Maximum Protection Services you get a 10% discount. They will also be the lead sponsor for all missing persons press conferences as well.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Speaking of advertising, it was odd to see company's like Papa Johns Pizza and Subway be advertisers/sponsors for the Lampe Funeral,the family that was murdered recently..Never seen anything like that before.

ummmmm.....

pardon me for noticing...and for asking, monkeys...


IS PAULUS"  ZIPPER DOWN?????

 ::MonkeyShocked::

....I think there is a reason Joey has that "cat that ate the canary" look!  ::MonkeyShocked::

Yes, indeed....this photo has been around a bit, but the fly is still open... ::MonkeyHaHa::

UGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

MAN.


HE IS A TWISTED LITTLE PRICK.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON.

Hey Wreck...If Joran doesn't fess up soon he's gonna be eating a steady diet of Govt cheese and living in a van down by the river!  ::MonkeyWink::

::MonkeyWink::

as any good snake might, right?
scum.  the whole lot, imo.

nite monkeys

I miss Chris Farley  ::MonkeyWaa:: Umm excuse me ladies...Any of you know where the weight room is?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Unlike the guy above,it appears Hans watches his figure and is quite the dresser. I wonder if he is any good at interior design? Well...let go with it Hans..Theres no reason to stay in the closet,to cover up the truth,to lie and to keep everyone in the dark..You are not fooling anyone Mr Hans...About Natalee's case ::MonkeyWink::
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oh..

turn the page  ::MonkeyCool::

*******..ty...that gut photo is unbelievably....real...lol...ty
'
SUCK IT IN!
 ::MonkeyCool::

Deepak doesn't look so good here  ;) Is he dabbling in the Nations imports/exports? Or the pressures of being a no good dirtbag getting to him? IS cousin Dompig putting him to work or is he still working at the cafe?

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http://www.paho.org/english/sha/prflaru.htm

Municipal Services for Management of Solid Waste, Including Hospital Waste. For disposal of solid waste, there is a 12.5-hectare refuse dump located in Parkietenbos. Different types of waste are taken to this site (refuse from homes, offices, industry, hotels, restaurants and cafes, construction and demolition sites), but no documentation is available regarding the exact amounts. Hospital waste also is transported and disposed of in the municipal dump. Infectious waste is burned in an incinerator, which may pose operation and maintenance problems.

http://sxmprivateeye.com/node/7023

Incinerator not a good idea
Anonymous (not verified) | Wed, 2006-11-08 23:47
First of all, we do not prodice enough garbage, even with the French side added.
Secondly, where would they put it, on the pondfill? Right, I'm sure that will be good for the health of the people downwind. I understand the incinerator in Aruba is far from habitation and blows out to sea.

Hi Tex!

I still wonder about the new concrete work done around the sloth home....

Yes, Destiny...I do too.  You know if the missing person would have been a child of the "Judge in Training"...new concrete poured at any suspect's home would have been history at least two and a half years ago! 

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: I miss Chris too..  ::MonkeyWaa:: ..that's one of my all time favorite SNL skits.

I don't think they were suspects in the beginning.  They were witnesses.  IIRC, two security guards were taken into custody for questioning based on the statements of witnesses, those last known to be with a missing person.

These two former security guard suspects homes were searched in a media circus.

When J2K were taken for questioning, were they treated like everyone else? 

trans via Google :
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Relatieproblemen went to murder advance

ORANJESTAD - The death of Rene van Heyningen, on the night of Thursday 16 on Friday, June 17, 2005, were relationship problems beforehand. The man would have been violent and jealous woman. The court ruling is Friday and it will be clear whether the woman YCH one victim was in a flush of fear acted, or with premeditation has committed a murder.

It would suggest that steps go together Thursday evening, but Van Heyningen was in his own way. C.H. was disappointed and thought about their relationship. They drank a bottle of wine. According C.H. her friend came around four o'clock in the morning at home and gave them quarrel. Van Heyningen would have caught a machete and threatened to kill her if they would continue with his life interfere. Then he went to sleep.

Around half past five morning took C.H. the kapmes and stuck in his neck. The man was care, but was no longer able to sound out. He came out of bed and tried to run away. C.H. remained on him to respond to it in the kitchen neerviel and no longer responded.

C.H. saw that Van Heyningen was dead and drag his body into the bedroom of their less than a year old daughter. This girl slept at that moment in the master bedroom. Then she hung a sheet for the window, so there is nothing visible from the outside would be. She made her daughter wakes up, took her to the babysitter and went to her work. She called several people to ask whether they knew where her friend was, that night because he was not home.

When C.H. in the course of the morning back home, wrapped them as saying the corpse in a cloth, put it in his pick-up and brought to the cemetery in Sabana Basora. The police discovered the body a day later. At that time was C.H. not regarded as suspicious. Only when agents in the homes of C.H. in a pool of blood that of a footprint aantroffen CH turned out to be, she was suspicious. On June 24 issued the woman a confession.

MACHETE

The prosecutor questioned the skills of a pasgeslepen machete. According C.H. they used the knife to the garden to logging. "What garden? On the photos of the house and its surroundings have been made, I see no garden and have nothing to logging. "CH said that her friend had asked her the machete to cut into the garden to cooperate. They brought the machete on June 9 to a grinder and got the knife on June 15 again.

On the receipt was the first of CH, but a completely different surname. C.H. indicated that she had written only her first name and surname grinder noted. When they do well to the handwriting looked, they recognized that they themselves had written. "It was very busy in the grinder and I think I've made it a mistake. But I do not understand how you can. "

On the question of why the court C.H. her boyfriend had killed, they responded huilend. "In my head clicked something, I had a blackout. That night was a devil in me. "They talked about their long relationship. "Nothing was good for him. I had to do everything for him, he did nothing for me. During my pregnancy, he was not there for me and he did not show at the baptism of our daughter. For years he did me emotional pain. Yet I still love him. It hurts that he is no longer here. "

HELP

The reconstruction of the cemetery Sabana Basora showed that the heavy corpse not by a person on the fence could be lifted. The Technical Research has found no sleepsporen and no geknakte branches. C.H. said that they had really done. "I had unexplained strength in me."

According to the psychiatric examination was the wife at the time of the steekpartij fully toerekeningsvatbaar, there is no chance of recurrence and she is no danger to society.

The outlines for C.H. as a woman who reacted violently as her friend was not what she wanted and was jealous because Van Heyningen multiple girlfriends after held. That C.H. the day after the killings of her friend just started working and people called to ask where he was, took the Prosecutor a play. "It was therefore a deliberate act." The prosecutor was also believe that CH lies that she has done on its own.

The lawyer of C. the burden of proof was not conclusive. The mortem showed that there are probably several weapons were used. "What would be the second weapon then?" Asked the lawyer is uncertain.

They also went to the machete. "In every garden grows Yerba and one machete is not uncommon to this account grass away." The day after the killings of Van Heyningen, the lawyer as a day of denial. According to her pain is the motive for this act. "Many women go for years suffered from a violent relationship, but so many of their partner that they can not disconnect the relationship. Here is indeed a crime passionnel: an act due to mental majeure. "(Amigoe)

******* on fok Haha :
I see the trolls are coming because we are close to the truth! Tell your friends they are going down!!!

donnie 29 on fok :
I enjoy reading all the material ******* is writing here, it opened my eyes, and now im diggig myself.. it costs a HUGE amount of time.. And he researched 2.5 plus years!! And for all the people that dont believe all these things, just come here and come with proof to show otherwise.. Just attacking someone without backing something up is plain stupid..

They didn't like that one bit  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have that article somewhere and it's interesting that he was killed the day Lorenzo/koen/PVDS etc was questioned and she confessed the day after PVDS was released. Even the court said they didn't believe parts of that confession,especially her getting Super Strength to pick up his body and move it over the fence in the cemetary. In the trial she said she didn't do it and it was 2 men but she was convicted anyway. The neighbor was a possible witness..I wonder what he saw?

<Snip from Johan 555>
Cementing is a popular Latin American disappearance scenario for torture victims. This merely requires an area of freshly poured cement in which to immerse a body. Walls are popular locations. Foundations for huge structures likewise present superb opportunities for cementing individuals. Of course, this method requires some preplanning in order to match the body with the fresh cement. However, a dead body can be immersed into a cement slab anytime. When you couple a large boat to transport the slab, it is easy to envision a burial at sea that would go unnoticed. Specially, if it were dropped in the ocean more than 3 miles form land. It would drop the bottom of the ocean and involve centuries, if not millennia, in order to deteriorate.
This came to my mind when I saw  freshly poured cement 
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Good Morning,

TJ called last night. He called around 6:30 and I didn't get to call him back til about 8. He started off by just saying that we have the three year anniversary coming up and how pissed he was about the whole case. He didn't know that Joran is gallivanting around south east Asia like a fairy whose shoes were filled with pixie dust. And he didn't know about the Martin Bakx incident. TJ is working 104 cases currently. It's hard for him to follow up with Joran's current bullshit.

He mainly wanted to tell me that he will be in Albany New York starting next week to search for a missing little boy - Mailek ??? (I know we have a little boy named Mailek in the missing person thread.) Apparently, TJ did a Layered Voice analysis on the step-father and he was found to be deceptive. So, TJ is off to Albany on the request of the family. I think Mailek has been missing since October. I hope TJ is able to get this family some closure.

Ok, now the stuff you want to hear about.

I remembered to ask about the Kalpoe's troubles in Suriname. Most will remember that TJ broke this info early in the case.

I asked what exactly were these so called troubles... and TJ replied with girls. So I asked if these was rape, murder or sexual assault. He replied that he didn't think it was murder, but more likely sexual assault. And they were thrown out of the country.

Then I asked how he found this out. That's really the most important question, right? He went on to say that the headmaster of ISA told him that early in the investigation. Then a light bulb appeared in my mind.

As I recall Paulus was already at ISA and filling the head master's head full of all kinds of crap. So, it seems logical that this story of assault is probably not true and comes from Paulus. The way I see it is that Paulus was already planting stories about the Kalpoes on the first or second day, all the while using them as Joran's alibi. These Kalpoes are incredibly stooopid.

The Kalpoes had no affiliation with ISA and neither of them went to school there, so there would be no way that the head master would be privy to info that was not provided by someone close to the case. That someone has to be Paulus.

Also, the Kalpoes are from Suriname. I seriously doubt they could be thrown out of the country. They might go to jail, but they can not be deported from the country they originate. That makes no sense, and leads me one again to believe that it's all Paulus.

The head master was given all kinds of info in the case, and most of it was probably not accurate. Paulus knew that the family would be over to ISA shortly and he most likely wanted to get some info into the heads of Jug and Beth. Why not use the head master to accomplish that?

So, I doubt that the Kalpoes had anything happen in Suriname, and probably just left Suriname to join Nadira and a better life on Aruba. It's probably that simple.

If TJ had documents from Suriname I would probably feel differently, but this info he gathered seems to come from one source and that source was contaminated by Paulus. We know that the head master was talking to Paulus. It's not difficult to see what could occur here.

The trolls are gone there on fok
They are all lawyers ( ::MonkeyNoNo::) and Renee Gielen trolls

Do you know if there is copyright on the front of this book ?
Can everyone use that for free ?
She (RG) always use that for  here misinfo stories

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*******, please put a [/i] after the word troubles in my last post. I don't want it to look like I am quoting someone in the entire post.

TIA

should read -

I remembered to ask about the Kalpoe's troubles in Suriname. Most will remember that TJ broke this info early in the case.

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10/26/2005
This is the mysterious cement block found by EquuSearch divers.

I wish I were a certified diver. But without those skills, I have to stay on the boat while the pros slip on their scuba gear. Two divers head to the ocean floor to investigate the suspicious object. As hard as I try, I can't see anything 40 feet down, so I just follow their air bubbles as they break on the surface. They are gone for about 10 minutes. Finally, back to the surface. It is NOT a fishing cage. It is a large cement block. But the divers say it is suspiciously out of place.

The cement block could be a boat mooring. That sounds like a logical explanation to me, since lots of boats are sporadically moored in this area of the harbor. But the divers say the cement block has nearly no marine growth, indicating that it is brand new. And it has no hooks to moor a boat. I think maybe it just flipped over when it was dropped into the sea and the hooks are on the underside. But the EquuSearch team wants to determine if they need to bring this block to the surface for further investigation.

Now we're on a fact finding mission. The divers check out the moorings of several nearby boats to see if they all look the same. They find one that's similar, but nothing that's identical to the block we just found. So the EquuSearch volunteers mark the spot for further investigation. Then it's back to shore.

I know we're on our way to meet Dave Holloway back on the dock. I think to myself "I wish we had good news to share." Then I think about the reality of that statement. Other than finding out that his daughter is alive and well, what is "good news" for Dave Holloway? Good news is not what we're looking for in the ocean. I was looking for closure today – closure for a father has accepted the painful reality that his daughter may never come home alive.

Dave meets us on shore with his usual optimistic smile. I don't know how he does it. I know it helps to be with Tim Miller. Tim reminds us all that it was another successful day, pointing out that we cleared several more square miles on the map. Tim says "We have a better idea of where we won't find Natalee. Tomorrow is another day."

Source: http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=832

Thanks Rob for the info...much appreciated!

Was it Jaliek Rainwater…’father’ produced a note from the boy saying something to the effect he was going to run away…turned out to be a writing assignment.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2348.0

Mornin! I did that but it seems to be the same,,I remember TJ saying he was looking into the Kalpoes about possible troubles in Suriname but he never spoke again about it. I think you are right and that was BS created by PVDS.

YW Mum... yes it is Jailek... I got it confused.

Thanks for keepin' it real!

thanks for trying... yes, it has to be bullshit and it has to be more diabolical Paulus.

I'll tell ya, I don't think I have ever seen a more repugnant criminal than Paulus van der Sloot. This guy is off the charts.

Hai Rob we had a discussion about crematoriums yesterday
if you have time you can find it back on page 6 or so
what do you know about the crematoriums ?

HI Johan, I have an appointment shortly and need to leave. I'll check it later.

OK Rob !
have a nice day !

Klaasend when you instal  this : Users Online Today  Mod

you can download it here : http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=217

what is it ?:
 
Adds a list of all users that were online on the current day to the 'Info Center'.

By hovering the cursor over the username, it will display when the user was last logged in.

Hi Johan -

I think we may already have that.  By the way, I don't maintain the technical side of the forum, DUGGA does. 

Rob…maybe your thoughts explain why Nadira and Luis Ramirez were questioned so early on 6/2/2005. ALE wanted verification on when they came home and whether they left afterwards.

 Still doesn’t explain Luis being questioned on the same day as Lorenzo and Freddy…6/28/2005

 So Deepak came to Aruba in 2000 and Satish in 2003, if we can believe the ‘Sporter’. A few questions in here about Deepak being aggressive and fighting.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

To your question has to how many years Deepak and Satish have been living on Aruba, I answer you that Deepak has been living on Aruba for five years and Satish three years.

That looks says: "...You have been a bad boy Joran Vandersthloot and I'm going to spank your ath.....Those hands on the hips and he looks like an irritated (somebody's) aunte.   jackb

Sorry, I still don't recall ever hearing that Rene van Heyningen worked in the hospital there. Is there a link for that?

Hmmmm I see your post ******* very interesting. Have not read anywhere about
this fella working two jobs and the second being in the hospital incinerator. Still doesn't change my thoughts about how unlikely it would be for anyone to haul a body into a hospital for disposal......but whatever.

Aruba 2005 : Rebuilding bungalow ,but were is this ?


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Sorry...no idea Johan...don't suppose you have come across any of the revamping of the Racquet Club in 2005, have you?

Lots of meetings at the Club the week following Natalee's disappearance, ALE even picked Joran up from there, employees questioned and construction going on. Has my attention!

Did I mention tennis shoes? ::MonkeyHaHa::

thanks! didn't know patrick was on jensen (i think jensen is a total jerk)

not much new information.
he had to go over that poentje story again.
talked about joran smoking in the airplane toilet.
how joran thinks he gets away with everything.
joran told him he was thinking about smuggling coke from aruba.
and then if he were caught he would say: "see, they are always trying to set me up".

a lot more in his book which he was promoting.

zoom:

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Very hard to tell fron the photo, but if I were to guess, I would say down on the southern west tip of the island near Valero/ Baby Beach and the old Lago houses. Many houses there are ruined. Another reason is the way the land seems to slope in the photo but this only my guess. What is that photo of? This video give a glimpse of that area(also other areas ie san nicholas)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxYEdXpjcw

Another pic of Lago Coloney

http://tinyurl.com/53wp5z

(http://www.lago-colony.com/PHOTOS/VIEWS_5.jpg)

That last pic I posted is very old....the area I am guessing is just up above where the old tennis courts are, anyone here from aruba?....you can see the refinery in the distance...
http://www.lago-colony.com/LAGO_IN_1997/TENNIS%20COURTS.jpg

i think it is somewhere near the  F manshuts in the north
i try to find it with google earth

There are a lot of newer houses there, from the huts to arashi? but the land there seems to slope more from the photographers view. The land/ area from huts north seems flatter?

(http://www.arubarealestate.com/images/p_auamap1.gif)

I get the idea it is right on the ocean? there is that coral cropping in the forgroound of the pic that makes me think that ? On the map it could befrom #15 north toward lighthouse?

it is not easy Blonde to find 1 house

Bleachedblack & Blonde i think it is in this area :

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/BABeachxxxxkopie-1.jpg?t=1211488142)

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ColoradoPointkopie.jpg?t=1211488189)

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/LittleLagoonakaBabyBeachkopie.jpg?t=1211488233)

i think 1 of these houses  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/South-housekopieXXXXXXXXXX.jpg?t=1211489205)

Johan55 hard to tell you could be right. That is the area that i thought also(in the youtube and in pics) but very hard to tell. Most of the newer construction does seem to have red roofs either clay or shingle.

they Rebuilding the bungalow so it is a old bungalow
And i see 3 green and 1 white  roof pffft
I am since 1 hour on Google earth but i cant find it ha ha
but i never give up  ::cartwheel::

Happy Birthday Bleachedblack!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Awwww thanks a bunch *******.

Happy anniversary of your birth BleachedBlack.  

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Whose house is that?  Was it destroyed in a hurricane?

That is what I was wondering too -- the ssignificancce?  Is there a tie between that structure and Natalee?

Happy Birthday BB

BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY
TO YA BB!!!



You the best. (sic)    ::MonkeyWink::

Todays Awemainta announcing the pre-clearance flights from the U.S.

(http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/191/universalpm8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Rob    ty   nice to hear from TJ

Otherwisw....quiet in da zoo.



Maybe the calm before the storm?

One can only hope.... Hope springs eternal.

Prayers

For Natalee, her family, and every monkey.

I sure would like some details on this!!! Sounds like Carte Blanch to smuggle.

As a long time lurker I am saddened with the inactivity lately, and hope all the monkeys will mend their indifferences soon.  A few weeks ago this forum was jumping with enthusiasm and very exciting conversations and theories.  Come on everybody ....  please come back!  You're missed by many, many people.

I think it's more that there's no new news to talk about.  TES is in Aruba searching for Jose Tromp and maybe more will come of that.  No articles about it however.

Personally, I have been posting less due to all the construction that's been going on at my house plus a little medical emergency  ::MonkeyWink::

I have been searching all the other sites and Aruba media sites for anything pertaining to the case though, several times a day. 

It appears another suicide or attempted suicide in Aruba:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4810/5/#jc_allComments

Homber ta comete suicidio na Rooi Bosal  
Local 
Friday, 23 May 2008 - 01:09 
Diahuebs anochi Polis y Ambulance ta wordo dirigi cu urgencia pa Rooi Bosal pa un persona cu lo a purba di comete suicidio. Ta trata aki di un homber di 31 anja cu fam M. cu a horca su mes. Ambulance a bay rumbo pa Hospital cu e persona pa purba na re-anime pero esaki no tabata tin resultado. Nos kier a manda palabra di condolencia pa e famia y conocirnan

Through translator:

man is comete suicidio at rooi bosal

friday, 23 may 2008 - 01:09

diahuebs night police y ambulance is wordo dirigi cu urgencia for rooi bosal for one person cu will owing to try of comete suicidio. is deal here of one man of 31 anja cu surname m. cu owing to horca his self. ambulance owing to bay direction for hospital cu the person for try at re-anime but this not was have result. we wanted owing to send word of condolencia for her family y conocirnan. come across

Happy Birthday, BB!

telegraaf 2004
Karin janssen came in 2004 discredited because she built a house illegally.
In the  Netherlands is that sensitive because she was working  with large fraud cases.
Early this year she is nominated for 3 years to Chief Prosecutor in Aruba
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HOLLOWAY CASE THE FIRST 10 DAYS,what was Karin Janssen doing ??????
(http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2005-07/18333204.jpg)
trans >Google

letter to Renee v Nie.
INGEZONDEN:
Dear lord of Nie,

I read on your website that among other things, as I Aruban PG in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have ruined the case.

I gave you earlier pointed out that this is contrary to the truth and I've asked you to stop untruths to proclaim.

I will again say how things really works. Natalee is the night of 29 on May 30, 2005 disappeared. I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands. I do have those days during telephone contact with Karin Janssen and I've told her several times that those three boys, whose last with her and had let persist. Her answer was that those boys were first draught, because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go". When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that those who had boys persist. Her answer was that they were waiting on video from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would be included on the video. Never before has a hearing in Aruba on the video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me. I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.

But as you now do, when I was appointed as the culprit of that disastrous first ten days, while I have nothing to do with it. The first eight days, I was not even in Aruba. The hovj Janssen for me as ai PG and they took the decisions. I have never throughout the investigation had contact with Commissioner van der Straten, either personally or by telephone ..

I'm never hovj by Janssen was informed of the planned arrest of the two guards. I've had this in the Netherlands on television. I was never made clear why these two guards were arrested, because there was no indication that they were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. They are never to draught "to have something to the hearing to go".

I would be grateful if you have a correction on your website and places where you are in the future would refrain from proclaim untruths.

mr drs T.D. Croes

NAWOORD (RvN): I FIND IT VERY VERY INTERESTING WHAT THE PG WRITE. ABOVE ALL THE PASSAGE OF TWO BLACK MEN APPEAR TO BE BASED ON NOTHING .... in jail. RACISTISCH OR 'FOUTJE'???? THIS IS SO THAT MAY CONTAIN THE TIME FOR (KARIN ETC.) TOGETHER WITH v Straaten  THIS CASE OF THE FIRST 10 DAYS HAS GETRAINEERD. IN COOPERATION WITH WHO, FOR WHOM AND WHY?

thanks all for the BB wishes , you are all toooooo sweet.

Common sense says Karin Janssen knew exactly what she was doing to help cover-up a crime in Aruba.  
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/AnimationKarin.gif?t=1211539520)

When one looks over the pattern of her involvement in the Natalee Holloway case, we have to ask did Karin Janssen do a "friend a favor" or purposely buy time for the suspects to rehearse their lies, erase all evidence, change statements, allow some statements to become missing and therefore was she directly involved in a cover-up?

Karin Janssen knew that neither John nor Jones were working as security guards during the time frame that Joran, Deepak and Satish claimed to have dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn hotel. She also knew that the descriptions given by Joran, Deepak and Satish of clothing they claimed the "dark skinned" guard wore was not anything remotely close to what Holiday Inn security guards wore. Yet, Karin Janssen ignored these discrepancies and had the security guards arrested claiming she had evidence.

It can be concluded that given all the information Karin Janssen had available to her, the notion that there was good "cause for suspicion" was knowingly false, and the fact that the guards were still pursued, in light of ALE and prosecutors knowing that no drop off ever occurred, suggests collusion between the ALE and Karin Janssen for the sole purpose of denying Natalee's family the truth of what had been inflicted upon their child, and covering up for the real perpetrators: Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe and Paulus van der Sloot.

Prior to their arrest, Karin Janssen did not investigate John and Jones, she knew the three last seen taking Natalee had lied, and yet went forward with their arrest. After which she took yet another curious step by requesting that the attorney representing both the Security Guards, Chris Lejuez, drop Mickey Johns as a client.

Why did Karin Janssen withhold Joran van der Sloot’s statement from the security guards’ attorney claiming it to be irrelevant to his clients, while turning over the Kalpoe brother’s statements when reportedly Joran’s statement contained the same lie?
How was Karin Janssen able to complete the paperwork correctly for the search of the security guards’ residences, but not for the van der Sloot’s home?

How was Karin Janssen able to complete the paperwork correctly for the search of the security guards’ residences but did not follow proper procedures for DNA testing of the Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot?
WHY WAS A BIG SEARCH CONDUCTED ON JUNE 6TH? THEY HAD ALREADY ARRESTED THE SECURITY GUARDS WHOM THEY HAD "EVIDENCE" AGAINST?

Why was this search conducted away from the area the victim, Natalee Holloway was last seen?

These were diversionary tactics utilized by the Aruban Justice Department along with Janssen's statement that "you can't barge in their like cowboys" which was meant to demean American standards while her actions and methodologies were corrupt attempts to protect the suspects by zeroing in on the innocent Security Guards who for 10 days were not in any line-up, only questioned one time, and their alibis ignored.

Karin Janssen and the other Aruban officials continue, even today, along with the bloggers on-line, in planting lies and disrupting forward progress in this case.

The fact that Prosecutor Karin Janssen and polis detectives Dennis Jacobs and Jan van der Straten, all in charge of the investigation, were not pursuing the facts, or the surveillance tapes that demonstrated Natalee never return to the hotel; while ignoring all the contradictions of the statements by Joran and Kalpoe brothers paints a very clear picture indeed. It would seem impossible for any competent professional to come up with the strategical course that Karin Janssen utilized and not realize she was involved in a collusion to cover up these crimes.

Karin Janssen has been a Prosecutor for 12 years and the Chief Prosecutor in Aruba for a year and one half, and she made the choices and procedural errors based upon her experience. Common sense says she knew exactly what she was doing to help cover-up a crime in Aruba.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Happy Birthday bb    ::cartwheel::

Hello Johan...Do you have any info on KJ at all please? Age or where she went to law school? I am just wondering if she had ties to Aruba before she took the job as Prosecutor? TIA

Hope you had a great Birthday, BB!

Good Morning Sharon!

I try to find everything about Karin Janssen !
I think she  knew exactly what she was doing to help cover-up a crime in Aruba!


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Johan, great post!     (http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/froehlich/a115.gif)

Good Morning Mum!

(Thought of you this am as our skycam reported an accident on University and Pembroke Rd -- since I KNOW you KNOW where that is  ::MonkeyLaugh:: )

Johan -- great stuff! I admit -- I've always been on the fence about KJ -- always wanted to believe that she could NOT possibly be obstructing justice for an innocent teen -- for a mother's child.

I guess I have to admit that she is as stinking and smelly as they come.

Heading out for the day. Prayers to Beth and the family.

The Koch case in limburg ,Holland

Moszkowicz  is not her friend   ::MonkeyHaHa::
This was in the biggest investement scam (about +/- 65mil Euros)  in Holland to date
It involves a german guy named Koch

Karin Jansen "officer of justice" and judge Bruinsma have according to Moszkowicz been remarkably friendly to Koch (Janssen and Bruinsma claimed he was to sick to be interrogated)
Moszkowicz: What do we know about this illness? Only what Kock himself says. I have never seen any medical evidence of illness. The impression could arise that the suspect and the Openbaar Ministerie have made some sort of deal. Karen Janssen chose not to react to this accusation of Moszkowicz

Oh and... Karen Jansen never witnessed the end of this case cuse she was sent to Aruba.

Steve Cohen : The Twitty / Holloway family is so incredibly effective in the media, that we do something in front of them.

I n front of Them , i think he is talking about the trol's Network (paid posters !!)

Besides spokesman Cohen is also editor of the website of the Task Force: arubatruth.com. "It is true that the tone has become stronger since. The Twitty / Holloway family is so incredibly effective in the media, that we do something in front of them. "The lyrics on the website will still be screened by a lawyer, so that it can not harm the case. "It's a thin line between what you can and what you can not say.

 

We would of course not think a lawsuit will be harmed because we suspected ammunition. "Cohen meets with Delalla in consultation with the Taskforce every thirty days with a communication strategy. "It is a paid job, my work for the Task Force, but not so much that I can live, I also have another job.

Cohen is' special advisor on the Aruba Natalee Holloway case. " He is every two days briefed by Police Commissioner Dolfi Richardson.

BRIEFED ????? is that Normal ?

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BB

Good Morning Sharon...have a great day!

I have become very familiar with the part of Florida that I had just travelled briefly many years ago! We avoided Miami on our last trip...a little scared with all that was happening around then with tourists!

I had thought that maybe KJ was playing both sides, and didn't really choose until she took the tape to the Netherlands for DNA analysis, but after the way Johan laid it all out, and thinking about the security guards, it appears I was wrong as well!

Agree with Pita, Johan, great post! ::MonkeyDance::

JACKPOT

Nothing normal about this case Johan! Maybe some-one will remember just which persons also had access to the PVs, which I wouldn't call 'normal' either!

Karin Janssen

This is crucial :

PG mr drs T.D. Croes said :
I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands. ( 8 ?)
 I do have those days during telephone contact with Karin Janssen and I've told her several times that they have to arrest the  three boys.
Her answer was that those boys were first draught( tape their phones?), because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go".
When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that she must arrest the 3 boys .
Her answer was that they were waiting on video(material,camera's etc ) from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would
be recorded  on  video.
Never before has a hearing in Aruba on the video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me.
I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.

My Question is : don't they need video stuff  for the 2 black men ?
Very Strange Lady Karin Janssen !!!!
We will find more !!

EXACTLY, Johan! This is why we have been adamant here at SM that a cover-up has been perpetrated since week 1. This is the very first example -- many, many more examples have gone on for 3 years!! Please, please make the Dutch forums' people aware of this.

This is for me the evidence  that Karin Janssen & V Straten  give the fam Vd Sloot  9 days ,to destroy forensic evidence ,material ,clothes etc !
PG mr drs T.D. Croes was not on Aruba so Karin Janssen could do what she wants !
They have to arrest that Bitch  ::MonkeyHaHa::

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Karin Janssen

This is crucial :

PG mr drs T.D. Croes said :
I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands. ( 8 ?)
 I do have those days during telephone contact with Karin Janssen and I've told her several times that they have to arrest the  three boys.
Her answer was that those boys were first draught( tape their phones?), because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go".
When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that she must arrest the 3 boys .
Her answer was that they were waiting on video(material,camera's etc ) from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would
be recorded  on  video.
Never before has a hearing in Aruba on the video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me.
I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.

My Question is : don't they need video stuff  for the 2 black men ?
Very Strange Lady Karin Janssen !!!!

June 5th 2005 they went in like a bunch of cowboys and knowingly arrested two innocent men and searched everything they owned.

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/secarrest.jpg)

Under her term as Chief Prosecuter she never asked to search anything more then Jorans Apt and the two cars after the first search. She released PVDS as a suspect so he could be free of suspicions,work for he Govt and practice law. She did that while having explosive evidence vs the father,which she never released until her last day on the job to prevent him from collecting damages.

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/kjsearch.jpg)

Judge Bob Wit in the Newspaper Bon Dia says the OM never asked to search anything more at the VDS house and says Gerald Dompig obstructed the search/investigation so the Van Der Sloots can have there privacy. Since when do Murder,Kidnapping and rape suspects get immunity from having there house searched?

(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj176/observer0000007/karin2-log.jpg)

I have send them a email about Karin Janssen  ::MonkeyHaHa::

a.kuiken@tweedekamer.nl; a.vanrooij1@chello.nl amfennis@hetnet.nl; argusoog@orange.nl; B.vdVlies@tweedekamer.nl; Bellamyinfo@planet.nl; bertmaathuis@tomaatnet.nl; booh@xs4all.nl; christenunie@tweedekamer.nl d66secretariaat@tweedekamer.nl; e.anker@tweedekamer.nl; edovanrossum@chello.nl; F.Joldersma@tweedekamer.nl; F.Teeven@tweedekamer.nl; Freek@FreekGlorius.nl; frie.tymstra@wxs.nl; G.Wilders@tweedekamer.nl; h.huijbregts@chello.nl; h.spekman@tweedekamer.nl; henk@katholieknieuwsblad.nl; ine.veen@quicknet.nl; info@groepzuid.nl; info@jikkejager.nl; J.Dijsselbloem@tweedekamer.nl; jahe@planet.nl; jmjfrijsinger@home.nl; jules.banffer@eenvandaag.nl; justitie@postbus51.nl justitie@postbus51.nl; k.arib@tweedekamer.nl; karin.janssens@brabant-noord.politie.nl; kleintje@stelling.nl; KvanVelzen@sp.nl; lunchette@hetnet.nl; M.dePater@tweedekamer.nl; m.vanseventer@chello.nl; m.vtoorenburg@tweedekamer.nl; monique@groepzuid.nl; N.Azough@tweedekamer.nl; N.vVroonhoven@tweedekamer.nl; nieuwsdienst@omroepbrabant.nl; p.kalma@tweedekamer.nl; perry@uitgeverijaspekt.nl; peterverkuijlen@hetnet.nl; pmaas@sint-oedenrode.nl; pmaas@wxs.nl; r.leijten@tweedekamer.nl; r.verdonk@tweedekamer.nl; radionieuws@nos.nl radionieuws@nos.nl; recruitment@wegener.nl; redactie.meierij@brabantsdagblad.nl; redactie.meijer@brabantsdagblad.nl; redactie@hetechtenieuws.org; sdn@planet.nl; smol013@hetnet.nl; stadsredactie@eindhovensdagblad.nl; stasjustitie@minjus.nl stenssen@wanadoo.nl; thomas.ruigrok@eenvandaag.nl; tweedekamer@geertwilders.nl; vanspanje1@planet.nl; videl049@wxs.nl voorlichting@raadvanstate.nl voorlichting@raadvanstate.nl; W.vanBeek@tweedekamer.nl; W.vandeCamp@tweedekamer.nl; webmaster@wegener.nl; wieteke@wietekevandort.nl; wvlaarhoven@hartvoorrooipvda.nl;

I emailed KJ last year with that BonDia article and one question but she never responded..

Have a great friday everyone!!  ::cartwheel::

Hi *******, right on!!! and that apparently wasn't enough. She then made statements that the security guards had in their possession items from the MB kids. i.e. cameras and ??? and said they may have sold the kids drugs. Nothing like planting the seeds of doubt.

I can understand that the police sometimes arrest the wrong people, but to then plant doubt in the mind of everyone is totally inexcusable and demonstrates the how hard Jansen was really pushing this thing.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Have a good day *******...back to lurking!

I hope the opposition in the Netherlands will pick this up
G.Wilders@tweedekamer.nl ,h.brinkman@tweedekamer.nl,r.verdonk@tweedekamer.nl
(http://www.pvv.nl/templates/pvv_brinkman/images/4_brinkman.jpg)
(http://www.pvv.nl/templates/pvv_wilders/images/1_wilders.jpg)

Minister is here Dr. E.M.H. Hirsch Ballin 'justitie@postbus51.nl',
'E.M.H.Ballin @postbus51.nl'

O/T Update in lounge on Savanna.

Norma?  it's aruba.  cohen also boasted that his group ahata/ata/etc. were getting and studying a.l.e. reports and interviews as well as copies of f.b.i. reports sent to l.e. 
dennisintn

She breathes; she lies.  If her mouth is moving; proof she is lying.   Jackb

How  this possible :
Karin Janssen installed as attorney general to the ressortsparket in Amsterdam. During a special session, she is officially appointed. There was obviously attention to her for this period, when she was chief in Aruba. The case of Natalee Holloway, but indirectly raised. Luckily it. Another illustrious fact was daaentegen be comprehensive coverage: Karin is a once in that time 'Woman of the Year "been in Aruba. Someone from the prosecutor who has acquired a positive qualification
(http://annagroot.punt.nl/upload/karin-installatie-log.jpg)

Who does Geerts hair?  LOL

Paluth....  j/b

http://www.amigoe.com/english/
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42492.php

Caesu...Thank You...That article brings more questions, but they will wait!

I love your avatar, can you share what it is, please? TIA

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: GREAT POST johan555 !!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I agree, it was a great post!  I think it should be sent to Greta, kimberly and Nancy Grace as well. We need some coverage!

Great idea AZSunny!  ::MonkeyCool::

TY Sweetie.

Karen Jansen is a suck azz ho bag.  Her alter ego Julia Renfro is as well a two-faced hipocrit as she pretended to befrend HT camp and told her conspiring friends the plans and evidence uncovered by the h/t camp.  She hogged in there and cheated by telling every move the H/T were going to make and the Jensen, VdS, VanderStratten countered any productivity that may have taken and DID take place.  I say go after the slime balls who covered this up as they are just as guilty of accessories and the original perpetrators.   Jackb

With everyone at the scene of the security guards home I sometimes wonder if this was part of their plan to take the attention away from the Sloots home or another key area to remove a body.  Distract everyone and make your move.  That is their motto.

Dana Pretzer tonight:

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www.scaredmonkeysradio.com

Not that it helps anything to say:  I hope the lot of the scumbags eat crap and croak.  The mockery alone done by these sadistic people is enough for them to get a life sentence. They will eventually turn on each other when their use to each other is up.
I hope I live to see the day.  Someday, somewhere, someway, Justice will be served.  How adults could go beneath the realm of humanity and be accessories to such a henious crime is beyond all human imagination.  Had they done this in this country, they most likely would have been caught.  They would have  been treated to life without parole.  The adults should die in prison.  When aggravated robery, battery, mutilation and death would have been on the table and justice served, those young punks would (in this country)would most likely have been tried as adults and gone to the gas chamber.  I pure T despise all of them.  Jackb

Hey all!!  I haven't been here in a while, been so busy! 

No offense to Johan but that was originally written by Natalee's Freebird's. You can read the whole article here:

klaasend
Administrator
Monkey All Star

Re: Corruption and Collusion within the Aruban government
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2007, 03:41:39 PM »

NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS:
KARIN JANSSEN – Woman of the Year or disgrace to her profession?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.20



It is also on the blog site: http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/08/karin-janssen.html




I thought I had seen that writing before - that was a powerful piece the freebirds did last year!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU BB!!!! I want some of that cake!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hopefully, some day, the hands will be washed of their grime.

Someone sent this to me and I will share with all of you...


Wouldn't it be nice if whenever we messed up our life we could simply press 'Ctr Alt Delete' and start all over?

Just remember, if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

If raising children was going to be easy, it never would have started with something call labor!

Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever.

BUT MOST OF ALL, REMEMBER:  A Good Friend is Like a Good Bra:  Hard to Find, Supportive, Comfortable, And Always Close To Your Heart!

Me too!!!

Hero Brinkman is focusing on Kingdom Affairs in the PVV.
he asks Ank Bijleveld questions, the secretary for Kingdom Affairs.

Raymond de Roon does Justice Affairs.
so he asks Hirsch Ballin questions.
r.deroon@tweedekamer.nl
http://pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=113

O/T
San......?? You are the only Mod' I see here. Can you mark thread titles??

FOUND SAFE
Missing Illinois Teen Found In South Florida
Roza Ahmad ------SAFE

Thanks if you can :)

Klaas beat me to it.

Yes, I can mark thread titles.

  Yuppers  San is one Smart Monkey ,    ::MonkeyConfused::  LMAO 
  You do know that I am teasen you don't you SAN ?? but I do mean it about you being a Smart Monkey  .
  your friend from Ohio   Jerry     ::MonkeyLaugh::

Hi Jerry, I know you are teasing. ::MonkeyTongue::

BB....HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Happy birthday to You
You belong in a Zoo
You Look Like a Monkey
The Best Looking One Too!
' ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

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I watched Greta tonight. She is in Madison, WI, investigating three murders. She has identified a shelter in a park where many homeless people hang out. Each of the three murders occurred within walking distance of the shelter. Could the murderer be one of the homeless people, she wonders.

I am reminded of how she always wanted the Aruba murderer to be Boeti, who lived in a box on the beach near the Holiday Inn.

Greta has this thing about homeless people, doesn't she?

Yes, I know I need to update my avatar.

Happy Memorial Day weekend, everyone. Hard to believe the third anniversary is approaching. So sad.

There may have been some action in the Dr. Phil case.

 Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss: CONTINUED TO 6-4-08 PURSUANT TO STIP & ORDER FILED ON 5-23-083) Case Management Conference)

06/04/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss

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05/23/2008 Stipulation (of the Parties to Continue the Ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

05/23/2008 Order (Re: Stipulation of the Parties to Continue the ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp


I am not sure what the stipulation or the order state (from May 23).

D€€P@K is not feeling well 


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359



hmmmmm

If he is coming down with what I have been praying for...

it is a wicked case of diabetes of the ca-jonies!


(Apologies to the Honorable Mr. Steve Holloway. I know praying for bad things
 is not a decent thing to do.)

     I know that I have been AWOL from here, (and all blog spots for that matter) so maybe I'm so totally behind I'll never catch up...like who is Noly ( not criticizing, think he is pretty savvy guy),.....but it took me forever to get accepted here, (now new folks pop up all the time) and I was banned for awhile, not for offending someone, (originally, but I did lose my temper and become "defensive and offensive", cause I started questioning the postings of someone, who was not only posting "suspiciously", but contacting and threatening me by PM,...before, during and after I was on my crusade to "out" this phony!!

     Now, I'm reading stuff here, that, after I researched, this Nolly person is "Spot On"...someone here is plagerizing work posted and I assume to somewhat "Copywritten" by The Freebirds Forum. 

     If someone has the time and/or the inclination to fill me in,  I'd really appreciate it!!!  I have never been so off track before in Natalee's case, health, work, family...miriad of reasons have unfortunately kept me  in abstentia, but summer is almost upon us (up North) and I'll be free after June 13 (yea).

   Oh, and by BTW, hey Janet, it's me....remember me?  I've mised you....Auntiem, aka Kindteach, KTM, Nana4Juls!!!!

Morning monkeys!  I certainly hope there will be a front page post on this piece of news. 
With heightening concerns over border security, I cannot imagine what this is all about.  Customs preclearance for private planes coming from one of the dirtiest, most corrupt Banana Republic in the world?

I must have missed this story in all of the US NEWS.  I wonder how many agreements of this sort our Department of Homeland Security has made and why no one in the US media is talking about it?  Seems important to me.



 

....

The U.S. Customs Preclearance in Aruba has mutual benefits for both countries. The agreement states that any commercial flight of any size aircraft (scheduled or charter, including ferry flights) and any flight by private aircraft flying nonstop to the territory of the United States is eligible for preclearance as long as preclearance service has been requested and approved by U. S. inspection agencies for that flight. State aircraft will be considered by the U.S. inspection agencies on a case by case basis.

The agreement makes it easier for commercial and private aircraft to transport passengers to the United States. Prior to the agreement, flights were required to fly to San Juan, Puerto Rico or Fort Lauderdale, Florida to be cleared into U.S. territory.

http://www.netherlands-embassy.org/article.asp?articleref=AR00002546EN

Thanks, Buckeye. 

But, I mean, ARUBA?  the drive-in window for drugs.....

sorry to say this but what else can really be said???

The very fact that Homeland Security has went forward with this utter joke of a deal with Aruba doesn't speak at all well for Justice for Natalee.

The mail boxes at the State Dept are overflowing with letters from pissed off Americans and they still went ahead and DONE DID this deal.

Nothing like slapping us all in the face and rewarding Aruba for their above and beyond bad behavior. It makes no sense and if a deal should have been done did (LOL) it should have been after Aruba did the right thing.

As I have been saying ~ these two countries are linked in a some way that would probably makes us all wretch. I'm wretchin' just thinking that the king slimeball is sitting there with Chertoff and I can't understand why he didn't strangle him with his bare hands.

if there was a ever a sign that the US will never do anything - this is it!

jmo...

one more thing -

Natalee isn't the first and won't be the last - they know that at the Homeland Security Dept. And what of Buddy Larson? and Gary Makings? and what about little Max? and what about the woman raped in the brothel? Are they trying to convince me that none of these people has ever been found? and if that really is the case - THAT'S THE REASON RIGHT THERE TO STAY THE HECK AWAY!!!

this is a terrible joke.

HS - "oh right, we know what's going on on Aruba and SO WHAT!!! ... we're not even going to tell you to be careful. We're not issuing a travel advisory, we're not issuing a travel warning . . . so screw you!!!"

real nice - NOT!!! :smt093

Nobody gives a  - - - -

just us... and guess what?

we'll all be back to do it all again when it happens  . . . and ya know what - Aruba is overdue for the next missing person. So get ready.

Port-o-Prince is looking safer than Aruba and I doubt anyone has booked a trip there.

>>>>totally disgusted<<<<

The New Homeland Security Dept -

wanna book a trip to Sadr City? come on down!!!

thinking about taking the kids to Bogota? We have an all inclusive just for you!

Does Juarez sound hot to you? It does to us too!!! We have you in mind with this all new travel special.

+++++++++++++++++++++

What A FREAKING JOKE OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME.

That can't even handle getting my freaking rebate check to me.

Helen, so true and well phrased, the drive-in window for drugs. Truly the tag line for one happy place?

Rob - Bacchus confirmed something far larger was underfoot years ago, when he allowed Aruba to publicly further defame Natalee and her family.

This weekend is the anniversary of Natalee's disappearance and I hope all the powers that be with dirty hands in this get a taste of their own medicine, and soon. Each further insult like this must just add more pain of this collossal injustice for Natalee's family.

Hi Nonesuche . . . it's been a while huh?

Hope you are well....

I found that Bachus knew these Arubans since 1998... he wasn't surprised. He tried to give an academy award winning performance. He had to know at some point someone was going to find that he knew these people for quite a while.

I'm just hoping a meteor hits Aruba and sinks it.

O/T
Nonesuch, I see you are gone, but hope you get this question. Can someone please forward it?
I surmise from previous posts that you are in the cupcake business. Do you also include handmade candies? (chocolate?)
Do you also have a website?

TIA

Ban Yuda Busca Vicenzo awe pa 8.30 am 

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Saturday, 24 May 2008 - 00:01 
Diasabra mainta pa 8.30 Texas Equu Search ta pidi e comunidad di Aruba pa presenta cu gran escala pa asina yuda busca e paradero di Vicenzo Tromp cu ta casi 6 luna perdi. Tur hende cu kier yuda pero nan mester presenta na ora pa asina por coordina e busqueda aki. Tur hende mester topa na Club Estrella na Santa Cruz parti patras. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4825/5/#jc_allComments


Looks like TES is asking for volunteers to help search.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/usvisit/USVisitnotice1-5-04.pdf

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http://www.dhs.gov/xinfoshare/reportincidents/

I guess is the standard dress was a burka, this would already be over.

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not even a mention of this.

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Chertoff commencement speech 5-22-2008 at Fairleigh Dickinson University.

++++++++++

Release Date: May 22, 2008

East Rutherford, NJ

Secretary Chertoff: President Adams, Mary Kay, members of the Board of Trustees, thank you very much for awarding me this doctorate. To the students, and perhaps even more so to the parents, I congratulate you on reaching this very important milestone in your life. Congratulations.

It's a pleasure to join you here on the floor of what is now called the Izod Center on this wonderful occasion. Of course, I go back far enough to be able to remember when this was Brendan Byrne which goes to show you how much things change over time.

For all of you this is probably not the first commencement or graduation ceremony. You have all graduated from high school. Some of you went through graduation ceremonies when you left eighth grade and many of you will continue to future commencements or graduations as you proceed to receive professional degrees, or pursue other kinds of graduate studies.

In some ways you go through life, it'll seem as if you have a series of milestones or commencements; when you finish a job, when you get married, when you move to a different part of the country. It won't all be attending ceremonies as grand and as well populated as this, but they'll all be occasions for reflecting back on what has gone forth and for considering what lies ahead.

Well, I will say this: this is the commencement that finally and irrevocably launches you on the path to adulthood. There is no turning back. The period of preparation is over. Now it's kind of starting a new life. And so I thought what I would do is try to take a little bit of my own experience in a number of opportunities that I've had over my life to reflect and maybe give you my perspective on what you need to bring with you as you embark on this next stage of your adulthood.

First and foremost as you look back on what you've already achieved I think you have to remember that you've got to believe in yourselves. It's your ability to meet tomorrow's challenges with optimism and confidence that will give you the greatest set of tools that you can possibly have to go forward and meet your destiny.

Now as you go out in life you are going to meet pessimists, the Chicken Littles who will always tell you that the world is bad; that it's getting worse. They're going to warn you all about the tough circumstances and they're going to tell you to downsize your plans, alter your dreams, and live a life of diminished expectations.

Sometimes these people tell you that they're discouraging prognosis is really just realism. But I actually think it's not realism. I think it's fatalism. I think fatalism is shrugging your shoulders and not confronting the challenges. I think realism is continuing to keep your ideals in mind even as you recognize that life will present many challenges as you try to realize those dreams.

Now, of course, as the Secretary of Homeland Security I constantly face the need to be realistic without becoming fatalistic. The threats our country faces are real enough and as George Martin illustrated with his effort to raise funds on behalf of the first responders of September 11th, we can never forget what this country has been through and we've got to continue to dedicate ourselves to assure to the extent that's humanly possible it never happens again.

But the fact that these threats are real does not mean we have to be fatalistic or resign to the fact that they're going to happen again.. In fact, because we've gone seven years without a September 11th attack we can afford to be realistic and optimistic at the same time. It doesn't mean that we become complacent. It doesn't mean we shut down our efforts. It doesn't mean that we lurch between the (inaudible). But what it means is we continue to move forward with a balanced and realistic view of what challenges we face in a very dangerous world, keeping a balance between our security, our liberty, and our way of life.

The next observation I guess I would make based on my experiences are to prioritize. I can guarantee you this: as you get older your life is going to get busier. It's going to get more complicated. There are going to be increasing demands on your time and you're going to have family who are also well deserving of your attention.

That means you're going to have to work at setting priorities and recognizing you can't do everything at once, and you've got to figure out what the most important thing to do and what has to be done first.

Every day you're going to have to make decisions that reduce the clutter in your life; the things you've allowed to accumulate over time, sometimes without regards to your most important goals and values.

A third piece of advice, maybe one of the more important pieces of advice, be a good listener. Now of course we're all designed with two ears and one mouth and not the other way around. That should tell us something about the relevant priority of listening as opposed to talking.

In my job, in fact, in all of my jobs sometimes the most valuable lessons learned are those that are taken by listening to other people including people who disagree with you or people who criticize you. You may not always accept the observations or criticisms of those people, but it's always worth listening to what they have to say so you can test your assumptions and your own values.

If you train yourself to be a good listener you will go far in life, and that includes your personal life where you will make your loved ones feel much more appreciated if you (inaudible.)

But, you know, there is a time that you have to talk as well, and so my fourth bit of advice is when you are ready to speak, learn how to speak persuasively. Learn how to speak to convey values in simple common sense terms.

Now not all of us are blessed at birth with the ability to be great speakers. And some of the best speakers, and most notable speakers in history have been those who worked very hard to overcome handicaps in this regard.

Winston Churchill, for example, is widely regarded as one of the greatest orators in history, but it didn't come naturally. When he was a young man he practiced each day in front of a mirror and he used to work laboriously to write his speeches out to memorize them so while it appeared he spoke off the cuff without any preparation, his speaking was actually the result of a great deal of labor.

When you do speak publicly my advice is very simple; be clear and direct and use plain, basic English and talk about analogies in terms that puts people in their own daily lives.

A fifth bit of advice is to work hard at being resilient, and by that I mean emotionally. And let me be pretty blunt. The farther you go in life, the more impact you make, the more you make decisions, the more you try to accomplish, the more likely it is that you're going to wind up stepping on someone's toes or having somebody who strongly disagrees with you, and you're going to finally get pummeled and you get criticized, and sometimes you can get attacked.

And in order to keep moving forward on the path to which you've dedicated yourself, and in order to keep moving forward to actually achieve and accomplish the things that you’ve worked for, you have to prepare yourself emotionally for the fact that you will be criticized and you will be pummeled. And sometimes you will have setbacks but it is only by having an emotional resilience to continue to move forward that you have any hope of accomplishment.

If you look back over some of the historical figures you've encountered in the course of your studies here and when you were in high school or even earlier, people like Lincoln, people like Franklin Delano Roosevelt, people like Winston Churchill, reflect on this, although in the light of history it looks like the decisions they had made were very straight-forward, very obvious, and clearly correct. When they actually lived in the events of the day making very difficult decisions, they often found themselves on the receiving end of an enormous amount of criticism.

Abraham Lincoln was mocked, criticized, widely despised at various points during the Civil War. There were riots in New York and Baltimore. In fact, there was some question that he couldn't even reach the inauguration without being assassinated. But because he had the emotional resilience to continue to pursue his dream of the union, he was able to persevere and this country is the better for it.

My final bit of advice is this: that whatever you choose to do, you invest your lives in something that is bigger and greater than yourselves and your daily concerns. Some people do this by dedicating themselves to public service, and I know for example that I’m privileged to lead an organization with 208,000 public servants who do everything from guard our borders to make life more secure at our chemical plants and our airlines, to manning cutters up in the Arctic and in the Caribbean in order to protect our maritime domain. But all of them have in common the public service at the very top of the list (inaudible).

But even if you decide you want to pursue private interests I strongly recommend you consider volunteer work in your community, whether it's through Citizen Corps or any one of the number of auxiliaries or voluntary organizations. Whether it's assisting firefighters or first responders or children or people in need, your ability to (inaudible) community and to the public is going to be enriching and is going to make whatever you do seem more balanced and more rewarding.

So that's my advice to you as you pass this stage of commencement to the next stage of commencement. May you do all great things with the time that you have. May you remember that the time that you have is limited and none of us knows what the limit of our time is; and may you be a blessing to yourselves and to your loved ones in the next generation.

Congratulations and God bless you.

Rob,
I've been preaching for 3 years that "something" MUCH bigger involving the U.S. Government and Aruba is going on. I think you had it nailed last summer when you brought in the "Korean money laundering" aspect. It is that or something similar!!
I still stand by the adage:
The FBI knows
The U.S. State Department knows
The KLPD knows
The Hague knows

PS : I would like to know who "Kermit" actually is and his connections -- he "knows" as well.  ::MonkeyCool::

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I get the impression DHS didn't want anyone to know about this new deal with Aruba. No mention of it anywhere in their press releases.

Hi wreck... I agree they all know what happened. North Korea is giving the Bush Admin fits again..I've been following this very very closely. They were tied to the Syrians and are not dismantling the nuke program. Bombs not words work better when dealing with dictators. That's all they understand.

I *think* Kermit told you (all) who he is... maybe cryptically...and I *think* Kermit knows what happened to Natalee. jmo.

I missed what Kermit told us "crypticly" -- but I do recall him telling us that he has been on Air Force 1 and he "knows" all the "Ex-U.S. Presidents".

There ya go...

I'm trying to find "the money" tied to this new deal. There is always money involved... and sometimes used as an incentive to get one country to stop whatever it is they are doing. I'm starting to suspect that is what this is all about.

Get Aruba to stop this money laundering with narco-terrorists and bomb makers. This could all be disguised as something other than what it truly is.

wreck, just thinking back to last summer and the NK nuke program and the money laundering.
 
The other country that was mentioned was Cuba... and we all know what is going on there. Raul Castro is now in charge. This regime is on it's last legs. I can't help but wonder if this is all going to catapult very quickly should Fidel die.

Maybe they are trying to get Aruba in line and starve North Korea's nuke program of the funds it needs. They can't seem to get them to disarm no matter what they try.

A country like NK would probably try to find someone else to accept their bogus counterfeit currency... but it's going to be much harder to find someone with access to legitimate American dollars and a large supply of them.

I think you are on to something!!

OT/ Hey NJMom, I see you are here, I'm getting more familiar with NJ and I was wondering where you live?  I'm way down in Brick, but my daughter just bought a home in Summit and I've been learning more and more about finding my way around.
( Stallwart Long Islander that I am...I am here for good....or as long as Amy and her family are here!!!! ::MonkeyWink::

i was surprised to see Oduber signing next to Chertoff.
because foreign affairs are handled by the kingdom government, not Aruba.

http://www.overheid.aw/index.asp?nmoduleid=19&wgid=6&spagetype=21&nPageID=4000211&nCMSPageType=1

You can ask this type of question in Musings or Monkey Lounge threads, auntiem....I read them all, especially it being slow here, lately.  I'm in northern Passaic County.

wreck - check this out... finally found a little something here. And check the date!!! Airforce Two was on Aruba or about to arrive.

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Had to shrink this down a little, hope you can read it.

 Sorry!!!

Carpe...your...Prayers....are just fine Dear....I pray too... ;-)

Good catch! 

I know this is a very unpopular view, but I still think Beth and Dave may be a little more "clued-in" than we might think. It may be more of a "gut feeling" -- I just perceive a little different demeanor from them for a while now.

Whose kid is this and how the hell did she get her eyes blackened?
   jackb

 ::MonkeyWink::

LOL! Hi Destiny,

I'm glad to know I have good company.

Good catch! 

I know this is a very unpopular view, but I still think Beth and Dave may be a little more "clued-in" than we might think. It may be more of a "gut feeling" -- I just perceive a little different demeanor from them for a while now.
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you're probably right. Beth and Dave probably do not care about all this other stuff and just want Natalee back. If this stuff is keeping that from happening, I can bet it's probably infuriating.

by the way wreck... I think you are one of the most insightful people on this board and some of the stuff / ideas you come up with are truly brain stimulating.

your theory on the crab trap was off the charts and I still to this day give it a lot of credence.

Klaas...Hope you are tip-top in the health department...

I need a favor...can someone please provide me with a Natalee tip-line #...and a FBI/Natalee..tip-line #...phone numbers I need...

Also...any Info/links to *Reward Money* for solving the case...must provide it to contact ASAP....TIA...Destiny

you guys remember that Aruba Networks company that we found so long ago? Well, they are tied to Dartmouth University and the Dept of Homeland Security.

Not sure there is anything here, just more weird Aruba stuff.

anyone have a dog and need a job?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

CBP OFFICER (CANINE) - See original job posting at USAJobs »
Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection - Oranjestad Aruba

Customs and Border Protection Job Announcement Number: MHCPC-185978-MJH CBP OFFICER (CANINE) SALARY RANGE: 48,148.00 - 62,593.00 USD per yearOPEN PERIOD: Monday, April 21, 2008 to Monday, May 05, 2008 SERIES & GRADE: GS-1895-11POSITION INFORMATION: Full Time Career/Career Conditional PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 11DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Oranjestad Aruba WHO MAY ... view or apply to job
From USAJobs - 32 days ago - save job - block

    * See all CBP OFFICER (CANINE) jobs
    * CBP OFFICER (CANINE) salaries in Oranjestad Aruba

Learn more about Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection...

http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?chnl=Goliath-All&jsa=432&jk=8280642d9cc98f10

Just dropped in to say...Kermit is always right. Lots of people never want to believe me...but our little green friend knows a lot more than we think. 

Bigger fish...bigger fish...

wreck posts
I would like to know who "Kermit" actually is and his connections -- he "knows" as well.

Rob posts
I *think* Kermit told you (all) who he is... maybe cryptically...and I *think* Kermit knows what happened to Natalee. jmo.
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Guten Morgen Herr wreck:

I believe the exact quote I stated is I have met 4 living presidents.
See, here I am with one. heh heh! It is true, oh and I talked to Henry Kissenger too! (smile)
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ribbit

http://tinyurl.com/4gmssm

June 2008 what da????

DHS Wants to Vet Small Aircraft Before They Enter U.S. Airspace

By Stew Magnuson & Breanne Wagner

About 400 general aviation flights — ranging in size from small Cessnas to 747s — enter U.S. airspace each day.

Despite long-time fears that these non-commercial flights may come bearing a weapon of mass destruction, the federal government still knows little about who and what are onboard the aircraft prior to landing, said Domestic Nuclear Detection Office director Vayl Oxford.

“One of the threat scenarios we worry a lot about is what we call the direct-to-target threat,” he said at the Gov Sec conference in Washington, D.C.

In such a plot, a terrorist piloting a private aircraft would not bother to land or clear customs after entering U.S. airspace. Instead, he would fly straight to an area and detonate the bomb above the target. Air bursts cause more damage than nukes detonated on the ground, he noted.

The scenario is particularly frightening when one considers how close some general aviation airports are to major cities. Teterboro Airport in New Jersey is less than one minute’s flight to downtown Manhattan, Oxford said.

In December, Customs and Border Protection began scanning all general aviation aircraft arriving from overseas for radiation, Oxford said. This does not protect against the direct-to-target scenario, though.

The Transportation Security Administration and Customs and Border Protection are working on policies and procedures to vet pilots, passengers and crews before they arrive in the homeland, Oxford said.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff is also negotiating with the governments of Ireland and Aruba to set up pre-screening stops in those countries, he added. Any general aviation aircraft wishing to fly to the United States would have to stop in one of these two spots before it received clearance to continue its journey.These steps will probably be controversial in the general aviation community, he acknowledged. (no shit, ya think??)[/color]

“You can understand that many of these people who fly large general aviation airplanes also have large egos,” he said.

    Hey, who's got black eyes, they're brown!!!

you're probably right. Beth and Dave probably do not care about all this other stuff and just want Natalee back. If this stuff is keeping that from happening, I can bet it's probably infuriating.

by the way wreck... I think you are one of the most insightful people on this board and some of the stuff / ideas you come up with are truly brain stimulating.

your theory on the crab trap was off the charts and I still to this day give it a lot of credence.
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That is nice of you to say, but I am more of someone who likes to "interpret" these tidbits that talented people such as yourself here uncover. I'm not too good at finding these "tidbits"!
I guess where I part ways with many people is in that I have a lot more faith in our FBI and government than most. There are so, so many things that we as normal citizens are not aware of. Actually, this is a good thing. If this is NOT the case -- we are really in a lotof trouble!!!! There is a reason why we have "
SECRET weapons"!

PLEASE...anyone....can you provide this info...write it as you would like to see it in print...I've got too much on my plate to do the research...sorry...that's just the way it is....this info is needed TODAY for our *free* article....Thank You All so much....

Hi Kermie!  Have you seen Lincoln's ghost in the White house yet?  ::MonkeyWink::

Destiny - right off the top of my head I can give you the BFI info.  Sorry but I'm really busy today washing walls and getting things ready so we can paint soon.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm

If someone else has the rest of the info Destiny is requesting could you please post it for her?

Email last week...
Hi XXXXXXXXXX
How are you today?
I have been talking with Jossy Mansur about the article and he says to me that it is ok to published it in the newspaper.
 
About the other investigation of the dutch investigators he said to me that he don't know nothing about it, but he gone check it out.
 
The Texas Equisearch is now here for the investigation of the dissapearence of the guy Vicenzo Tromp. They has begin to search yesterday but till now we haven't hear nothing about that.
Some people says the guy is no more in Aruba, other says he is been killed, but still nothing concrete about it.
 
If I have more information I will send it to you.
 
Bye
Have a nice day
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

FBI Tip Line at 1-877-628-2533

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roflmao!

No but I saw his office.

Destiny - there may be some OLD tiplines but I think I'd just go with what is at the FBI site.

Ahhhh thank you.

Hope you are doing better today. Very sad about the tiny little baby. You are a good friend. A loyal person.
I respect and admire that.

http://www.allpointsbulletin.org/Natalee_Holloway.html

Hi Kerm... I "snazz'd" ya up a lil . . . hope ya don't mind  ::MonkeyWink::

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FBI Birmingham Division birmingham@ic.fbi.gov

      I didn't think there was any reward still in effect.  Joran just about filled in what we really already knew and the million dollar reward was for Natalee's safe return....or so I understood???

Destiny,

Follow Klaas's advice....I thought I had grabbed the FBI link and just realized it's not.

right wreck.. we all have our talents. Mine is typos. LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I have fingers like snausages... ::MonkeyHaHa::

and you're very welcome for the compliment. And you are right about the FBI in some regards. I have recently been a good bit upset with them... and it has to do with the anthrax investigations. Ya know, they talk all over the net and even say who they suspect and where they work and in what capacity... so why not for Natalee?

just makes me sooooo mad!!!

if I'm this mad that it happened to Natalee, image how I would feel if this was my daughter or my brother's...

God Bless Beth and Dave - I have no idea how they do it, and their faith is stronger than mine. I'm not afraid to admit that publicly.

and keep 'working' on those tidbits!!!

Bon Dia 5-24-08 "Tarantula"
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2NJ...me Aunt is dying...all I'm asking for ...is ANYONEONE...HERE...TO WRITE SOMETHING...I CAN COPY AND SEND TO THEM....

*******, 600 kilos is obviously for personal consumption  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

this is 'Rooba we be talkin' 'bout aight?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Luis is/was a Major Drug Trafficker..He's huge!!!! I have been watching the articles for months now on Him and Ochoa..Apparently that line only worked for Lorenzo..When he said the 100+ plants were for personal use. Judging by the amount Joran was smoking..He may be right  ::MonkeyWink::
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June 2001

OPERATION CREOLE

DEA’s Special Operations Division (SOD), through its Latin American/Caribbean Section (OSL) initiated Operation Creole in September 2000 as part of ongoing efforts to disrupt heroin and cocaine smuggling in the Caribbean. Through the cooperative efforts of DEA, the U.S. Customs Service (USCS), and Aruba law enforcement authorities, a trafficking organization using cruise lines to smuggle illegal narcotics was severely disrupted.
Drug couriers, mostly workers on Carnival Cruise Ships, used secret compartments in the soles of their shoes to smuggle cocaine and heroin into the United States.

In September 2000, USCS officers arrested two individuals with 2.7 kilograms of heroin aboard a Carnival Cruise Line ship. Information obtained as a result of the arrest revealed a major trafficking organization, headed by Hernando Rafael Mercado-Ochoa, operating out of Aruba. In January 2001, personnel from the DEA, USCS, FBI, the U.S. Attorney’s Office, and Aruba Politie Organized Crime Unit met in San Juan, Puerto Rico to coordinate the investigation, in part because several of the targets of Operation Creole had been identified in other ongoing operations of DEA and FBI.

Smugglers sometimes use small “bullets” of heroin to transport the drug into the United States.

As the operation continued a number of arrests were made of individuals working aboard Carnival Cruise Lines. These couriers were smuggling heroin and cocaine in hollowed-out areas in the soles of their shoes. Based on these arrests and other investigative leads, Aruba Politie Organized Crime Unit executed the Aruba takedown of Operation Creole on June 29, 2001. The police arrested fifteen people, including the head of the organization, Mercado-Ochoa. Authorities also seized $355,000 U.S. Currency and 2 kilograms of heroin.

The combined efforts of law enforcement during Operation Creole resulted in 34 arrests and the seizure of 29.7 kilograms of heroin, 44 kilograms of cocaine, 1 handgun, and $688,077 in U.S. Currency.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/major/creole.html

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Kermit in air force 1

Rob,

ROFLMAO loved the bow tie.

When you think about a good deal of the problems the US faces and those that come directly from SA, you can't help but think something should have been done 30 years ago.

I mean, look at Mexico, it's a total mess and Juarez makes Baghdad look like, well, Baghdad ... NAFTA is one of the biggest mistakes GHWB ever made, and Clinton signed it. I was listening to Bob Barr on the Glenn Beck radio show they other day. You know he's running for President (well, of course you do, you're Monkeys)  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Bob Barr is TJ Ward's attorney. He's running as an independent.

anyway, he said and I quote "there is evidence the NAFTA Superhighway is being built." end quote. This means SA to Canada no stop and no check... bad bad bad idea.

That doesn't sound too good especially since some believe the American Dollar is being devalued on purpose to be in line with the pesos. God only knows why I guess.

If something isn't done soon, the 22% of federal inmates being illegal will look like a dream in the rear view mirror.

Judge deals with interception suspects
February 6, 2008, 19:10 (GMT -04:00)


Suspect Effi Tromp, the lawsuit within three years later where he will hear from cell requirements. P

ORANJESTAD - The court decision late next week or the information obtained through telefoontaps or not permitted as evidence in the case against Effi Tromp and AM Brown. Both are suspected to have done business with the criminal organisation in september last year was rolled up and probably was lead by businessman Mansur and Rafa Mercado Luis Ochoa.

Mansur and Ochoa are the main defendants in this vast and international drugssmokkelzaak. Operation Domino was among others to prepare and implement an unknown number drugstransporten from May 2005 until the arrest of the eleven bendeleden. The drugs were transported not only to Aruba. Justice Mansur suspects also prepared to have drugstransporten of Venezuela to the Dominican Republic and / or from South America to Europe and the United States.

The gang is also suspected of extortion, money laundering and illegal weapons.

In addition to the hard core, brings justice still a large number of persons to the court that a business relationship with the criminal organization. How many exactly is not known but is estimated to be including the hard core, more than twenty people in the Domino suspected case.

EAVESDROPPING

Last Friday, the criminal of the first four suspects. It was the suspected pilot Effi Tromp, A.M. Brown, Y.J.S.M and F.R.A. In the case against Tromp and Brown showed that the judiciary in the car of main accused Ochoa had placed listening devices. This car was purchased from the proceeds of cocaïnesmokkel and Ochoa, according to the prosecutor the whole day doing business from his car. The afgeluisterde talks had revealed that Tromp constant contact with people who were looking for smuggled drugs.

The direct interception of suspects by the Justice either applying Recording Confidential Communications (OVC) was started in 2006. Justice has nearly a half years eavesdropped on conversations in the car of Ochoa as well as telephones were also tapped. Lawyer Chris Lejeuz who Tromp and also defends Brown, believes that the Public Prosecutor (OM) has infringed the privacy of the suspects.

The missing while on legislation in Aruba, said Lejeuz, but that does not mean that this detection method in this manner and on such a long period may be applied. He was referring to the Netherlands where the application of OVC is strictly regulated and the court commissioner must give permission. It secretly tapping into a car in the Netherlands, moreover, because of criminal breach of privacy, did the Dutch lawyer Gerard Spong already know after the recent "confession" of Joran van der Sloot in the Holloway case. This, according to a recent ruling (October 25 2007) in Van Vondel against the state of the Netherlands. Both in the case Tromp as in that of Brown, the courts now consider whether evidence was obtained legally and can be admitted. That is on February 15 announced as the court ruling also does.

Against the two suspects is three years' imprisonment demanded. Tromp, who is suspected of cocaïnebezit and illegal weapons, was also accused of drug smuggling by Mansur. The procesverbaal of Mansur show that he Tromp already know from the moment that Domino operation began. Mansur was earlier launched the smuggling of drugs, in the time that he went bankrupt (2001). Mansur said that Ochoa has been advised that Tromp 'drugsbanden'. Ochoa has also Tromp of drugs, submitted by Mansur. Tromp through Ochoa received money in addition to the drugs to Canada to send. His merits Tromp would have spent on champagne and women, said Mansur's statement.

According to the prosecutor there are several statements that Tromp had a large amount of drugs and illegal firearms. The latter gave the ex-pilot. The weapons were in an airplane left by a passenger and when he has kept for his collection.

Brown, who at the CMB Bank works as information specialist, has appealed to the court on his silence. The afluistergesprekken and declarations would, in the OM already obtained sufficient evidence that Brown has been guilty of smuggling and selling drugs. Against the suspect F.R.A. was last Friday also demanded three years in prison because of drug smuggling, sales and cocaïnebezit. YJSM has been sentenced to 16 months cell for her share in the sale, export and transport of cocaine during the period 15 through June 22, 2007.

http://www2.xa4a.net/2008/01/peter-r-is-vies/

Destiny, from NataleeHolloway.com:


If you have any information regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, please contact the FBI Tip Line at 1-877-628-2533

Brown, who at the CMB Bank works as information specialist, has appealed to the court on his silence. The afluistergesprekken and declarations would, in the OM already obtained sufficient evidence that Brown has been guilty of smuggling and selling drugs. Against the suspect F.R.A. was last Friday also demanded three years in prison because of drug smuggling, sales and cocaïnebezit. YJSM has been sentenced to 16 months cell for her share in the sale, export and transport of cocaine during the period 15 through June 22, 2007.


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*******,
thanks for that... huge clue!!!

Destiny - I really don't know what reward is still in affect.  I imagine $250,000 for information  but I'm not positive.

I would give them the FBI Tip Line above.

I think there is a connection here..It seems like it was all going down about the time Jose Tromp went missing and the dots do connect.  Did Effi Tromp set up Ochoa and Mansur? Is Jose Tromp related to Effi?

what about the kid that was stabbed by the rasta? Juni Tromp?

I would imagine Ochoa and his partner Luis Mansur are angry as hell for being set up. What retributions have they made against Effi Tromp? I think it's pretty clear Luis Mansur is pointing the finger at him for ratting him out. If you want to dissapear without a trace in Aruba then going against Mercado Ochoa would be a good way to start.

Look's like Luis Mansur went bankrupt in 2001 after his ring was busted. He then worked his way back to being wealthy by doing exactly what he and his brother Jossy were accused of in the late 90's.

Can be Noly i collect everyting i can find about this case since  june-2005
But i found a part of  that powerfull piece on a dutch blog and another piece on another blog
But if it was yours you did a good job  ::MonkeyWink::

but this is more important

Her (KJ)answer was that they were waiting on video from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would be included on the video. Never before has a hearing in Aruba on the video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me. I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.  

Blogs for Natalee has it.   j/b

*******, I just check again and do not see an obituary for anyone meeting the description of Juni Tromp(5-31-2005). We have it in the M&C thread and it is referenced, but I think it would be interesting to see if Mr. Jose Trump is listed and a relative or a brother.

I went through Carpe's photos, and the mementomori site. So, he was not taken to mementomori. I matched and compared all the photos around that date.

Do you have access to scan or search awe mainta? or what ever the heck it's called?

I have tried to scan every Aruban Newspaper for important events from May 30th to June 2005 and had little success. Most of the articles are not on the net and the archives do not go back that far most times. Whats interesting is that article says operation domino started in May 2005.

you're right - that is interesting

http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/aruban-culture-to-spice-up-new-york-during-caribbean-week/

ARUBAN CULTURE TO SPICE UP NEW YORK DURING CARIBBEAN WEEK
Category General News    Date May 30th, 2003
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Tropical Cuisines and Spirited Performances Arrive in the Big Apple on June 2nd

As part of Caribbean Week, which is June 1st –6th, the Aruba Tourism Authority invites New Yorkers to come experience why Aruba is “where happiness lives”. The Caribbean Fair and Cultural Explosion begins at 11 A.M. on June 2nd with an enchanting array of Aruban-style delights, colors, sights, sounds, and tastes.

Scheduled to perform is the rhythmic and energetic Aruba Happy Band and Carnival dancers: Jolanda Salas and Junior Tromp, who are former Mr. And Ms. Teen Aruba. Also, Jaap Ellis, celebrity chef, will be there to share his culinary expertise.

Come experience Aruba for a day and feast on all the cultural diversity that this happy island has to offer.
What: Aruba Cultural Explosion during Caribbean Week
Who: Aruba Happy Band Francis Jacobs, John Francis Jacobs, and Graham Donata; Dancers Jolanda Salas and Junior Tromp; Chef Jaap Ellis from Papiamento Restaurant in Aruba
Where: Bowling Green Park in Lower Manhattan
When: 11 A.M.-7 P.M.

can this be who got stabbed by the rasta?

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http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/whatson/miss_aruba.html

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don't tell me this kid is a model  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wrong.  l mil for safe ret.  either 250k or 500 k for info leading to her recovery.    j/b

oh jeeezzz!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: please - someone tell me this is not the stabbed person.

http://www.pageant.com/manhunt2002/

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/juniortromp3.jpg)

or is this him?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JuniorTromp5.jpg)

http://personal.diggie.org/Profiles.php

I don't think we have a birthday for the person deceased.

So many Tromps..This could be another Junior Tromp  ::MonkeyConfused::

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Albert Albino Junior Tromp
Brother
 D.O.B:     23 May 1987 - 20 y.o.
 Nationality:     Dutch
 Born on:     Aruba
 Height:    
 Occupation:     Student

http://personal.diggie.org/Profiles.php

LOL! You beat me to it..How did you come up with Junior? I though Juni meant June?

sorting out all these Tromps, Croes and Vrolijks will make your fingers crippled.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

at first I thought - "well, maybe that's short for June, then I thought... nah... Some dumbass Aruban made a typo.. and it's really Junior"

It's working better this way!!!

lmao!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

this has taken my mind off of Chertoff and Oduber, those rotten lugs.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You got that right! I was stunned seeing just how many had the same last names in the year books..Even the same ages..I see at least 2 Jose Tromps and 3 Juniors  ::MonkeyConfused::

I found Sharon's post in Murder & Crime Rate in Aruba thread about Rasta....brought over from BFN.  It's near the bottom of the page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.0

thank you 2NJ

I have to ask a dumb question....forgive me...is this Tromp guy all of you are looking for the one TES is searching for also or is this a different one?

I was looking to see if he was related to the missing Tromp guy.. I think ******* is looking to make himself cwaaazzyyy!!!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I see. Thanks Rob.  I was lost as to what all of you were doing today. LOL

just posting it cause I found it - looks like as of 12/07

U.S.-ARUBA RELATIONS
Principal U.S. Officials
Chief of Mission--Timothy J. Dunn
Vice Consul--Donald Feeney
Vice Consul--William J. Furnish, Jr.

The U.S. Consulate General for Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles is located at J.B. Gorsiraweg #1, Willemstad, Curacao; tel. 599-9-461-3066, fax: 599-9-461-6489, Monday through Friday, 8:00 am-5:00 pm. Email: infocuracao@state.go

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/22491.htm

I am trying to connect Effi Tromp who was busted for with Mansur and Ochoa with the missing man Jose Tromp. Its very clear Luis Mansur blames him for being set up. If you look at the dates Jose went missing just before this all went down.