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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 - 5/31/08
Post by: klaasend on May 27, 2008, 10:13:10 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Please take a moment to watch and listen to the video above and remember why we are all here after almost 3 years. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:02:56 PM
No, it can't be; not ME, first?  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 08:07:45 PM
No, it can't be; not ME, first?  ::MonkeyDance::
Congratulations TM..You deserve to be first!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:11:05 PM
No, it can't be; not ME, first?  ::MonkeyDance::
Congratulations TM..You deserve to be first!  ::MonkeyWink::
Thanks *******!  I don't know how deserving I am, haven't contributed much lately; been so busy with graduation stuff.  But it was exciting to be first!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sirensong on May 28, 2008, 08:12:30 PM
*******, what did Destiny tell you earlier today?  Can you tell?
Also, sorry I called all the male monkeys KINKS,  :oops:  I meant KINGS!!  I love you guys!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:18:33 PM
*******, what did Destiny tell you earlier today?  Can you tell?
Also, sorry I called all the male monkeys KINKS,  :oops:  I meant KINGS!!  I love you guys!!

Yes, *******....I'm very curious too! ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: sirensong.....I've been there!  If only we had an "edit" button!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: AZSunny on May 28, 2008, 08:23:05 PM
When will the article be printed?  I thought it was going to be today?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 08:23:15 PM
*******, what did Destiny tell you earlier today?  Can you tell?
Also, sorry I called all the male monkeys KINKS,  :oops:  I meant KINGS!!  I love you guys!!

Sorry,I can't say anything for a number of reasons..Destiny can post what she found out when the time is right. She is doing a really great Job and she should be applauded. I should not have said anything but we are all frustrated,there is no news and we are all a bit down.

There are a few of us Males here aren't they? Not many though  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:24:30 PM
When will the article be printed?  I thought it was going to be today?

Last word I've seen is Friday.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2008, 08:30:54 PM
*******, what did Destiny tell you earlier today?  Can you tell?
Also, sorry I called all the male monkeys KINKS,  :oops:  I meant KINGS!!  I love you guys!!

Sorry,I can't say anything for a number of reasons..Destiny can post what she found out when the time is right. She is doing a really great Job and she should be applauded. I should not have said anything but we are all frustrated,there is no news and we are all a bit down.

There are a few of us Males here aren't they? Not many though  ::MonkeyWink::
Not the first time I've been called "kinky". ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:32:03 PM
*******, what did Destiny tell you earlier today?  Can you tell?
Also, sorry I called all the male monkeys KINKS,  :oops:  I meant KINGS!!  I love you guys!!

Sorry,I can't say anything for a number of reasons..Destiny can post what she found out when the time is right. She is doing a really great Job and she should be applauded. I should not have said anything but we are all frustrated,there is no news and we are all a bit down.

There are a few of us Males here aren't they? Not many though  ::MonkeyWink::

Ohhhhh, o.k. then.... ::MonkeyWaa::  I'll try to forget that there's something I can't know about... ::MonkeyTongue::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny ROCKS!  (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/musik007.gif)

Let's ALL give her a wave!  (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/thewave.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 28, 2008, 08:32:47 PM
*******, you got mail


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
*******, what did Destiny tell you earlier today?  Can you tell?
Also, sorry I called all the male monkeys KINKS,  :oops:  I meant KINGS!!  I love you guys!!

Sorry,I can't say anything for a number of reasons..Destiny can post what she found out when the time is right. She is doing a really great Job and she should be applauded. I should not have said anything but we are all frustrated,there is no news and we are all a bit down.

There are a few of us Males here aren't they? Not many though  ::MonkeyWink::
Not the first time I've been called "kinky". ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 08:50:20 PM
o.k. I can't forget........, I guess it's back to senior slideshow...and more tears... ::MonkeyWaa::

BBL  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 28, 2008, 08:55:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42709.php

article about the OM doing wiretaps while there is no law on Aruba that allows wiretapping.
a human rights organisationsis protesting this to four dutch standing parliament commitees.
they, ask what is next? detainment without charge, hacking of computers?

it is in my opinion related to why patrick van der eem wasn't passed on to aruba by the dutch police.
aruba hasn't got a law for special investigation methods.

but now Hans Mos is using these methods anyway.
Mos says he does it because he is open and transparent about it.

i'll translate tomorrow if it hasn't appeared in english in the amigoe website.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2008, 09:00:11 PM
Turn on Dana Pretzer - on now!
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Pretzer052808.jpg)

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 09:08:17 PM
Thanks Caesu! We also saw that article yesterday about the suspect that got 6 years in jail for mutilating and illegally diposing of Pitbulls Body..Sure is a big difference then the 6 months and a 200 dollar fine that Joran faced to what he did to Natalee. I guess the difference in crimes was mutilating and burning someone already deceased :(


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 09:10:37 PM
posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject:     
@Medleyrelay

I assume you noticed the interest of the Dutch newspaper crimeteam [De Telegraaf] here on Scrux lately. This week they will bring a large article about the missing of Natalee Holloway.
Knocking on my door or not I assure you that in this unsolved case my lips will be sealed forever.
My souvenir is in a safe untraceable spot.


Yes indeed LoRain, the behaviouristic world is bizarre.

So let's return to Splat's psychological world and Joran's city of angels.


The future is hidden in the past


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 09:16:44 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42709.php

article about the OM doing wiretaps while there is no law on Aruba that allows wiretapping.
a human rights organisationsis protesting this to four dutch standing parliament commitees.
they, ask what is next? detainment without charge, hacking of computers?

it is in my opinion related to why patrick van der eem wasn't passed on to aruba by the dutch police.
aruba hasn't got a law for special investigation methods.

but now Hans Mos is using these methods anyway.
Mos says he does it because he is open and transparent about it.

i'll translate tomorrow if it hasn't appeared in english in the amigoe website.
---------------------------------------
Thanks Caesu!

Letter to the Netherlands on detection methods allow
May 28, 2008, 18:13 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD - With the declare of the Public Prosecutor (OM) in the Dominozaak Aruba has opened the door for all kinds of 'post legitimate investigative techniques. " This human rights organization Rainbow Warriors writes in a letter to four Kamercommissies Second in the Netherlands where she objects to this state of affairs.

"The court has itself indicate that there is no legal basis exists for the use of OVC methods (recording confidential communications, ed) like in the Netherlands which has been settled," said spokesman Milton Ponson.

In the United States, writes Rainbow Warriors, has grown day after 11 september 2001 objection raised by the American Civil Liberties Union "against de facto illegal methods used against unsuspecting civilians and afterwards by courts not to be dismissed provision of evidence. "

The human rights organization, wonders whether there is now 'officially' double standards in the Kingdom of the Netherlands because Aruba also apply to the ECHR (European Convention on the Rights of Man) and other treaties (which protect the privacy of citizens, red .).

The organization also asked what they 'hereafter' can expect even more: "(…) in custody without land, telefoontaps by unauthorized personnel Setar-of which the newspaper Diario claims and we also suspect that the latter has long been at large scale takes place - (…) hacking in PC's and laptops from people in Aruba? "

Rainbow moreover criticises the fact that there is no privacy in Aruba that protects personal data of citizens. In december 2006, the government announced that Aruba in cooperation with the Dutch Antilles to a privacy law. This is to date not yet ready. The OM already approved earlier in this newspaper that detection methods are used that are not yet legally regulated. However, they did so "in all openness and transparency," said Chief Hans Mos then. The legal settlement of the methods already lasts very long-a thorn in the eye of the OM which justice is limited in fighting crime. These detection methods, said the PPS, which in the Netherlands and countries with a similar legal system be used, especially against organised crime and terrorism.

Rainbow Warriors will find that even in the fight against organised crime is not true that "the purpose all means."

The judge ruled last Friday that the PPS is admissible in the case against one of the main defendants in the Dominozaak, despite the investigative methods used illegally. About the evidence obtained from the court has not yet pronounced judgement. This allows the court at a later stage still to decide this evidence not to leave because it was obtained illegally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 28, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
Thanks Caesu! We also saw that article yesterday about the suspect that got 6 years in jail for mutilating and illegally diposing of Pitbulls Body..Sure is a big difference then the 6 months and a 200 dollar fine that Joran faced to what he did to Natalee. I guess the difference in crimes was mutilating and burning someone already deceased :(

yes i first read about that yesterday when you posted something about it.
horrific story. i read crucified. maybe i got this wrong.
but was it really called a crucifixion. like on a cross?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2008, 09:29:02 PM
Thanks Caesu! We also saw that article yesterday about the suspect that got 6 years in jail for mutilating and illegally diposing of Pitbulls Body..Sure is a big difference then the 6 months and a 200 dollar fine that Joran faced to what he did to Natalee. I guess the difference in crimes was mutilating and burning someone already deceased :(

yes i first read about that yesterday when you posted something about it.
horrific story. i read crucified. maybe i got this wrong.
but was it really called a crucifixion. like on a cross?  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi caesu
his hands were nailed to a board and so were his feet - (all supposedly)... and he was missing his talley wacker.

We didn't see any pictures, except from outside of the cave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2008, 09:34:58 PM
Thanks Caesu! We also saw that article yesterday about the suspect that got 6 years in jail for mutilating and illegally diposing of Pitbulls Body..Sure is a big difference then the 6 months and a 200 dollar fine that Joran faced to what he did to Natalee. I guess the difference in crimes was mutilating and burning someone already deceased :(

yes i first read about that yesterday when you posted something about it.
horrific story. i read crucified. maybe i got this wrong.
but was it really called a crucifixion. like on a cross?  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi caesu
his hands were nailed to a board and so were his feet - (all supposedly)... and he was missing his talley wacker.

We didn't see any pictures, except from outside of the cave.
Yep, a "suicide" alright!!! ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
The first reports were his head was bashed in and his legs were caught off. They burned the body very badly and we do have a picture but it is horrific. There were no arrests made until the Family went public and then 4 people were arrested. As you know they said a cocaine ball burst in his stomach and they ruled it a suicide as he was a drug mule. They produced this long poem/goodbye letter that they gave to his wife/gf that they said was a suicide note..It should be at RWV somewhere. The main suspect got the longest sentence and the other 3 I believe 2-3 years and they all appealed.

The two psychics originally claimed that Lorenzo murdered him and then in that Press conference said his murder was witnessed by Edwin Croes. They came up with some BS  that he helped hide Natalee when Natalee's Family arrived in Aruba. We know he was Dompigs Ex Brother-Inlaw and Art Wood said he learned that he beat his ex wife. He was a bouncer at the Choose-a-name bar.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 09:43:25 PM
Still looking for some Pitbull stuff.  Found this post from CancunMole at RU regarding the "immigration" document.  Thought SilverFox might like it.:


DiamondDot wrote:


I disagree.

We now have a document that completely blows Beth out of the water. What the hell was she doing for almost 4 hours, before Jug arrived?

Couldn't find a police station in all that time?


CancunMole  Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:42 am

Document? I can buy that there may be a system that may be able to... account for the time that one's passport is SWIPED as theY enter ARuba BUT, other than the STUff that could be sucked off one's PaSSaPORtE.. ALL the rest, VAcation, E-Mail, Where staying, yadA, Yada, comes from a hand written form THAT would HAVE to be INPUT bu someone. ERGO, if some must be INput, then it is Possible that OTHER info may 2 be ADJUSted by MAnuel....... Another piece of POSSIBLE altered BS...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 09:55:00 PM

Quote from: "klaasend"
Per MF at FOB regarding the death of Pitbull:

The man was a bouncer at C&C way before Natalee came to Aruba. He went to Venezuela where he tried to transport drugs in his stomach to Aruba, but when he arrived he felt sick because the packages in his stomach broke. He overdosed himseld and the case is not considered a murder case. His friends that were with him were all charged with destruction of an object (since by law, a body is considered an object) after they tried to get rid of the body by burning it.

Quote from: "igsigs"

Obvious that minimizing/ignoring crime is official policy on Aruba. It's like they don't want to know. This matches Dompig's summation of Natalee's case. It's the victims fault and J2K disposed of the body...well...for no reason at all!

sarge wrote:
That's interesting that he was a bouncer. I know that Glenda said that the man who killed him is a real hardened killer. Does that mean that the police already know who did it? This dead man is obviously a local.
With so many people in Aruba being related like Dompig and the witness I wonder if that is why there have been no tipsters collecting a reward for information about Natalee. They may be afraid to come forth. I have read that Nadira (K2's mom) is also related to Dompig. I don't know if it is confirmed how.
Surely someone had to see something that night after the 4 left C&C's.

 Glenda didn't get the early memo.  This is what she posted on April 6 on the darkside.

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:42 pm   

This man was killed in a horrific manner ~ hardened criminal is my vocabulary for someone who could have done this. This was not an accident, a crime of passion or rage. Torture is a form of calculated punishment or revenge.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=785.msg113181#msg113181


Yes...they have a way of changing the "incidents".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 09:57:34 PM
When these 4 were arrested they said they were nailed with Narcotics. I still suspect they agreed to take the fall for mutilating pitbull in exchange for a lesser sentence then Drug Trafficking.

Main suspect who received 6 years in Pitbulls Mutilation
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8743/casoguadirikiripm8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

2 of the 3 accomplices
(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8859/corteguadirikiricl0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2520/corteguadirikiri002tn2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 28, 2008, 09:59:29 PM
posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject:     
@Medleyrelay

I assume you noticed the interest of the Dutch newspaper crimeteam [De Telegraaf] here on Scrux lately. This week they will bring a large article about the missing of Natalee Holloway.
Knocking on my door or not I assure you that in this unsolved case my lips will be sealed forever.
My souvenir is in a safe untraceable spot.


Yes indeed LoRain, the behaviouristic world is bizarre.

So let's return to Splat's psychological world and Joran's city of angels.


The future is hidden in the past


that's good news that The Telegraaf is giving it attention again.
this paper is very much against the current dutch government.
quite frankly, they want to bring the government down - and rightly so IMO. new elections.

i hope also the crisis at the Aruban OM and with the PG will be covered in the coming days.
this crisis is getting bigger. and Rudy Croes has a deadline 1st July to put a new 'temporary' PG in place.
also new Public Prosecutors have to be appointed.
but the Oduber government doesn't want to pay them too much.
Oduber doesn't want anyone on the island to earn higher wages than he does.
that's the core if the conflict with Croes Fernandez-Pedra.
Oduber also tried to lower the wages of public utility company directors.
because they earn much more than he does.
i don't know it these companies are privatized or if they are state owned.

i listened to Radio Netherlands / Caribiana report.
here are some quotes i posted earlier in the day:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.msg384583#msg384583

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080528_vervangerpg

i wish you could hear it because it is encouraging.
interview with two dutch MP's. one opposition (Alexander Pechtold D66, former Kingdom affairs secretary), one government (Sybrand van Haersma-Buma, CDA < Balkenende party).

they both have grave concerns for the state of the justice system / OM on Aruba.
and the way Rudy Croes is dealing with it, and ignoring the judge rulings.
also Natalee Holloway is mentioned several times.
especially Pechtold sounded very well informed.

http://download.omroep.nl/rnw/smac/cms/car_pechtoldenbuma_20080528_44_1kHz.mp3

Alexander Pechtold
http://pechtold.nl/reactie.html

Sybrand van Haersma-Buma
http://haersma.cda.nl/contact.aspx

contact The Telegraaf
http://www.telegraaf.nl/contact/reageer/?redactie=1

this weekly opinion magazine is also anti-government:
http://www.elsevier.nl/magazine/contact/asp/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 10:01:07 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2008, 10:05:25 PM
posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject:     
@Medleyrelay

I assume you noticed the interest of the Dutch newspaper crimeteam [De Telegraaf] here on Scrux lately. This week they will bring a large article about the missing of Natalee Holloway.
Knocking on my door or not I assure you that in this unsolved case my lips will be sealed forever.
My souvenir is in a safe untraceable spot.


Yes indeed LoRain, the behaviouristic world is bizarre.

So let's return to Splat's psychological world and Joran's city of angels.


The future is hidden in the past


J45's posts have always intrigued me  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 10:06:25 PM
caesu

I'll follow your updates.  I could listen...but I don't have a google audio translator..lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 10:07:34 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:


Please listen to this...it's a new song about Natalee...calling out to Aruba...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 10:08:26 PM
posted by Jonathan45 at scrux:

Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject:     
@Medleyrelay

I assume you noticed the interest of the Dutch newspaper crimeteam [De Telegraaf] here on Scrux lately. This week they will bring a large article about the missing of Natalee Holloway.
Knocking on my door or not I assure you that in this unsolved case my lips will be sealed forever.
My souvenir is in a safe untraceable spot.


Yes indeed LoRain, the behaviouristic world is bizarre.

So let's return to Splat's psychological world and Joran's city of angels.


The future is hidden in the past


J45's posts have always intrigued me  ::MonkeyCool::

I know....I just hope that bone's not still in his drawer....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 28, 2008, 10:14:32 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:


Please listen to this...it's a new song about Natalee...calling out to Aruba...

Thanks Buckeye - I saved it and will listen later.  Can't listen now as it's really crowded where I'm stuck right now durring constructon and my husband is watching TV.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 10:23:35 PM
Thanks Caesu! We also saw that article yesterday about the suspect that got 6 years in jail for mutilating and illegally diposing of Pitbulls Body..Sure is a big difference then the 6 months and a 200 dollar fine that Joran faced to what he did to Natalee. I guess the difference in crimes was mutilating and burning someone already deceased :(

yes i first read about that yesterday when you posted something about it.
horrific story. i read crucified. maybe i got this wrong.
but was it really called a crucifixion. like on a cross?  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi caesu
his hands were nailed to a board and so were his feet - (all supposedly)... and he was missing his talley wacker.

We didn't see any pictures, except from outside of the cave.

Are you sure it was completely missing, or did he just stuff it in his pocket and forget about it?

I've done it. LOL

(Bless you Pitbull - I kid, I kiddd.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 28, 2008, 10:27:30 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:

 :cry:  Touching, but I especially thought the rapper was dead on! ::MonkeyDance::  Starts at 2:53


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2008, 10:28:40 PM
Carpe:
Quote
Are you sure it was completely missing, or did he just stuff it in his pocket and forget about it?

I've done it. LOL

(Bless you Pitbull - I kid, I kiddd.)
Could explain the "hand-in-the-pocket" syndrome we see with suicide victims in Aruba.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 10:29:02 PM
God Bless, Ofir.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 10:36:25 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:


Buckeye, that is awesome, thanks for the link. This lady has done two versions, one a heavily produced "Natalee Remix World" and a light version called "Natalee".

I highly recommend all Monkeys listen to this and, yes, the trashes Aruba right well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 10:38:41 PM


Are you sure it was completely missing, or did he just stuff it in his pocket and forget about it?

I've done it. LOL

(Bless you Pitbull - I kid, I kiddd.)


I can tell you where they ought to stuff it. I can think of several places in Aruba and Holland.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2008, 10:41:21 PM
Thanks Caesu! We also saw that article yesterday about the suspect that got 6 years in jail for mutilating and illegally diposing of Pitbulls Body..Sure is a big difference then the 6 months and a 200 dollar fine that Joran faced to what he did to Natalee. I guess the difference in crimes was mutilating and burning someone already deceased :(

yes i first read about that yesterday when you posted something about it.
horrific story. i read crucified. maybe i got this wrong.
but was it really called a crucifixion. like on a cross?  ::MonkeyEek::

Hi caesu
his hands were nailed to a board and so were his feet - (all supposedly)... and he was missing his talley wacker.

We didn't see any pictures, except from outside of the cave.

Are you sure it was completely missing, or did he just stuff it in his pocket and forget about it?

I've done it. LOL

(Bless you Pitbull - I kid, I kiddd.)

I think it was really missing...I'm not at all sure if it was found.

and I notice that you always say something nice where pitbull is concerned.

you da man Carpe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 10:43:01 PM

that's good news that The Telegraaf is giving it attention again.
this paper is very much against the current dutch government.
quite frankly, they want to bring the government down - and rightly so IMO. new elections.

i hope also the crisis at the Aruban OM and with the PG will be covered in the coming days.
this crisis is getting bigger. and Rudy Croes has a deadline 1st July to put a new 'temporary' PG in place.
also new Public Prosecutors have to be appointed.
but the Oduber government doesn't want to pay them too much.
Oduber doesn't want anyone on the island to earn higher wages than he does.
that's the core if the conflict with Croes Fernandez-Pedra.
Oduber also tried to lower the wages of public utility company directors.
because they earn much more than he does.
i don't know it these companies are privatized or if they are state owned.

i listened to Radio Netherlands / Caribiana report.
here are some quotes i posted earlier in the day:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2856.msg384583#msg384583

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080528_vervangerpg

i wish you could hear it because it is encouraging.
interview with two dutch MP's. one opposition (Alexander Pechtold D66, former Kingdom affairs secretary), one government (Sybrand van Haersma-Buma, CDA < Balkenende party).

they both have grave concerns for the state of the justice system / OM on Aruba.
and the way Rudy Croes is dealing with it, and ignoring the judge rulings.
also Natalee Holloway is mentioned several times.
especially Pechtold sounded very well informed.

http://download.omroep.nl/rnw/smac/cms/car_pechtoldenbuma_20080528_44_1kHz.mp3

Alexander Pechtold
http://pechtold.nl/reactie.html

Sybrand van Haersma-Buma
http://haersma.cda.nl/contact.aspx

contact The Telegraaf
http://www.telegraaf.nl/contact/reageer/?redactie=1

this weekly opinion magazine is also anti-government:
http://www.elsevier.nl/magazine/contact/asp/index.html


Caesu, great update and I am glad they are bringing Natalee's case up. This injustice needs to stick in the Dutch craw as deeply as our own. The Dutch on Aruba have made a mockery out of the system, especially the judges who are the last resort to uphold the law. When those bastards turn crooked it's a good indication the whole place has gone to shit.

I live for the day they string Bob Wit and Rick Smid up by their balls.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2008, 10:44:24 PM
Joran's a rapist - the Kalpoes suck - F00K Aruba  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe - that was t00 funny....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 10:44:58 PM
He was hit with such overkill. There was a lot of anger there.

There was no way, to me, that it was "business as usual" drug dealings.


WAY TOO MUCH OVERKILL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 28, 2008, 10:47:03 PM
He was hit with such overkill. There was a lot of anger there.

There was no way, to me, that it was "business as usual" drug dealings.


WAY TOO MUCH OVERKILL.


Definitely a message.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Joran's a rapist - the Kalpoes suck - F00K Aruba  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe - that was t00 funny....


Thanks, LOL. I am going to make it an ongoing theme, to keep those darn Arubans
on pins and needles. The psychological effect alone, it is driving them wacko! (short trip)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 28, 2008, 10:49:20 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:

Well done Ofir!!!!!!!!  :smt038


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: msmarple on May 28, 2008, 10:50:13 PM
Joran's a rapist - the Kalpoes suck - F00K Aruba  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe - that was t00 funny....


Thanks, LOL. I am going to make it an ongoing theme, to keep those darn Arubans
on pins and needles. The psychological effect alone, it is driving them wacko! (short trip)

Or as we said eons ago, "That's a putt, not a drive ... "

Yuk Yuk  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 10:50:13 PM
He was hit with such overkill. There was a lot of anger there.

There was no way, to me, that it was "business as usual" drug dealings.


WAY TOO MUCH OVERKILL.


Definitely a message.


I agree, if they'd have just wanted him dead they'd have shot his ass and walked away.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2008, 10:50:34 PM
Joran's a rapist - the Kalpoes suck - F00K Aruba  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe - that was t00 funny....


Thanks, LOL. I am going to make it an ongoing theme, to keep those darn Arubans
on pins and needles. The psychological effect alone, it is driving them wacko! (short trip)

did you just say Kalpoes?

roflmao  ::MonkeyLaugh::

you really crack me up...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 10:52:51 PM
Then they said he had drugs in him, that is why they opened him up!!!


However, when did the mules start inserting it in their "johnsons" ???


Ya know? It just doesn't add up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 10:58:19 PM
Joran's a rapist - the Kalpoes suck - F00K Aruba  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe - that was t00 funny....


Thanks, LOL. I am going to make it an ongoing theme, to keep those darn Arubans
on pins and needles. The psychological effect alone, it is driving them wacko! (short trip)

did you just say Kalpoes?

roflmao  ::MonkeyLaugh::

you really crack me up...



LOL! Glad you liked it.

I have to look up another TF #

and haunt somebody tomorrow.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 11:02:25 PM
http://www.myspace.com/ofironit

 :cry:

Well done Ofir!!!!!!!!  :smt038



Spread the word to Canada and beyond!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: msmarple on May 28, 2008, 11:03:29 PM
This is from Page 1 of the Murder & Crime thread; there are some pictures (none graphic), and the obit, on Page 2.

I thought I would bring it here because someone wondered if "crucified" was the word used ... and also because Murder was very much on some folks minds (besides ours).

Quote
Amigoe June 8 2006 article re. Pitbull:

ARUBA — Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan had died of overdoses cocaine.  At this moment, the Public Prosecutor (OM) does not have evidence that the 25-year old man that was found dead in the vicinity of the Guadirikiri cave on April 5th was murdered.  Four suspects have been arrested and the examining magistrate has prolonged the custody of one of them with 8 days.

On Tuesday, Pitbull’s widow and her mother had talked with the district attorney, who leads the investigation on the death of Djoegan.  The OM does not comment on the contents of this conversation.  All they said was that in order to determine the cause of death, they had to send tests to the Netherlands.  The family was informed that Pitbull was not murdered, but had an amount of cocaine in his body.  There is a possibility that he was forced to take the drug. The OM is also investigating the relation between the cause of death and the fact that Djoegan was found burned and crucified.

Last weekend, the police arrested two men and two women in connection with this case.  One of them, M.L. was taken before the examining magistrate on Tuesday afternoon.  He was already in prison for illegal possession of firearms and cocaine balls.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2008, 11:03:57 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 11:04:48 PM
Joran's a rapist - the Kalpoes suck - F00K Aruba  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Carpe - that was t00 funny....


Thanks, LOL. I am going to make it an ongoing theme, to keep those darn Arubans
on pins and needles. The psychological effect alone, it is driving them wacko! (short trip)


Carpe, you are a one man Aruba wrecking ball! Kickem, kickem, kickem til they wake up! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 11:06:36 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Vice president of the Bigassed Aruba Women's Journalist Club.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 28, 2008, 11:07:57 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Vice president of the Bigassed Aruba Women's Journalist Club.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 28, 2008, 11:10:29 PM
Still looking for some Pitbull stuff.  Found this post from CancunMole at RU regarding the "immigration" document.  Thought SilverFox might like it.:


DiamondDot wrote:


I disagree.

We now have a document that completely blows Beth out of the water. What the hell was she doing for almost 4 hours, before Jug arrived?

Couldn't find a police station in all that time?


CancunMole  Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:42 am

Document? I can buy that there may be a system that may be able to... account for the time that one's passport is SWIPED as theY enter ARuba BUT, other than the STUff that could be sucked off one's PaSSaPORtE.. ALL the rest, VAcation, E-Mail, Where staying, yadA, Yada, comes from a hand written form THAT would HAVE to be INPUT bu someone. ERGO, if some must be INput, then it is Possible that OTHER info may 2 be ADJUSted by MAnuel....... Another piece of POSSIBLE PROBABLE altered BS...


GGood post, yes -- but it needed an ever so slight needed edit  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2008, 11:12:23 PM
All were missing is "robots" and we could have "stag night" at SM!! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 11:14:08 PM
All were missing is "robots" and we could have "stag night" at SM!! ::MonkeyCool::


It's kegger night on the Monkeyboard!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 11:14:47 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Vice president of the Bigassed Aruba Women's Journalist Club.


Muzzlehoffer... Bon Dia, huh?    (jotting it down in notebook)


Sounds good! LOL

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 28, 2008, 11:14:59 PM
All were missing is "robots" and we could have "stag night" at SM!! ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 28, 2008, 11:17:01 PM
No, it can't be; not ME, first?  ::MonkeyDance::


Whoopie...yes it is!   Congrats...You are channeling Robots ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 28, 2008, 11:18:09 PM
Hey! I just found out what "ROBOTS" has been up to!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 28, 2008, 11:18:31 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Vice president of the Bigassed Aruba Women's Journalist Club.


Muzzlehoffer... Bon Dia, huh?    (jotting it down in notebook)


Sounds good! LOL

 ::MonkeyCool::

Carpe...if you want...I'll call ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 28, 2008, 11:20:12 PM
Hey! I just found out what "ROBOTS" has been up to!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/)


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 28, 2008, 11:22:25 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Vice president of the Bigassed Aruba Women's Journalist Club.


Muzzlehoffer... Bon Dia, huh?    (jotting it down in notebook)


Sounds good! LOL

 ::MonkeyCool::

Carpe...if you want...I'll call ;-)
Destiny, thanks again for all your work on the "article"!! ( wanna clue us in on your "secret" today??)  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 28, 2008, 11:23:05 PM
Hey! I just found out what "ROBOTS" has been up to!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/)


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

As soon as I read about the marshmallow part I knew we had the right robots


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: msmarple on May 28, 2008, 11:23:50 PM
Here are a couple of posts by Vicki re. the Washington DC travel event that the Caribbean is staging June 21-24.

Hi everyone...This is just to inform everyone that the whole Carribian will be at the Ronald Reagan Bldg doing a GALA affair...JUNE 21st-24th. We are gearing up to PROTEST BIG TIME. Everyone needs to know about the People who are going to these Islands and dying, being drugged and raped..or just disappearing like OUR NATALEE and others like AMY BRADLEY. Please lets show up in force. Its a Federal Bldg and I have applied for a real permit. We can wear our Tshirts..inside and hand out flyers and totebags...WE CAN STAND WITH THE GIRL....Please email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com ...[Klaas, I hope this is Okay] Even if you can come for a day or a few hours..We the Peope need to SPEAK up....

* * *
Im in also..There are two other ladies and a guy saying they will go...PA, FL,VA NC and OH,Id....Come on MONKEYS...

* * *

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

That sounds like 4 people ... I'm sorry that I can't go (had sorta thought I would). But DC is a great place to visit! FYI, Alan Greenspan will be the featured speaker. As Vicki said, "Come on MONKEYS..."

Link to the travel show site:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 28, 2008, 11:36:27 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 

Ohhhhh...let
me...puleeeeeze...let me.....3 way Carpe?...LOL...Des


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 11:40:30 PM
Hey! I just found out what "ROBOTS" has been up to!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/)



LOL, Silverfox.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


We just need to get the arm to write: I HATE THEM ALL!   after plucking

the marshmellow, right? That is our ROBOTS, no doubt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 11:43:34 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 

Ohhhhh...let
me...puleeeeeze...let me.....3 way Carpe?...LOL...Des

LOL! Hey, I'm game, Des.


Hey, once again THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK, on the great newspaper
layout... & Klaas, and EVERYONE else. You all are awesome. You are
my heros & heroines. I love yassss, man.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 28, 2008, 11:43:38 PM
Hey! I just found out what "ROBOTS" has been up to!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24861006/)



LOL, Silverfox.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


We just need to get the arm to write: I HATE THEM ALL!   after plucking

the marshmellow, right? That is our ROBOTS, no doubt.

Yeah, he skewers them, lights them afire in his new barbeque and writes I HATE THEM ALL! against the night sky!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 28, 2008, 11:47:08 PM
Carpe...I hereby Honor You With the title of Snow Fairy....

You have been chosen to receive the Blessing of the Snow Fairy! The Snow Fairy will bring you good luck for one year! May you be blessed by his good deeds!


     

        snowfairy.jpg




  Destiny....   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 28, 2008, 11:48:36 PM
Carpe...I hereby Honor You With the title of Snow Fairy....

You have been chosen to receive the Blessing of the Snow Fairy! The Snow Fairy will bring you good luck for one year! May you be blessed by his good deeds!


     

        snowfairy.jpg




  Destiny....   

Chit...didn't work...it was really really good too....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 28, 2008, 11:50:29 PM
Thanks, Des!

I'm always up for a nice visit from Guido Wever. ::MonkeyDance::

(just kiddin')

Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 28, 2008, 11:53:29 PM
Carpe try calling Bon Dia.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

ask for muzzlehoffer. 


Vice president of the Bigassed Aruba Women's Journalist Club.


Muzzlehoffer... Bon Dia, huh?    (jotting it down in notebook)


Sounds good! LOL

 ::MonkeyCool::

Carpe...if you want...I'll call ;-)
Destiny, thanks again for all your work on the "article"!! ( wanna clue us in on your "secret" today??)  ::MonkeyTongue::

Sorry can't... ******* and Klass know why...might put someone in harms way...but...will have a LOT of info to post tomorrow...but...I really could use a LOT OF DIRT ON RENHO AND RENEE....Klaas knows why...and Thank You Blonde for what you posted earlier...!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:12:03 AM
Carpe...I hereby Honor You With the title of Snow Fairy....

You have been chosen to receive the Blessing of the Snow Fairy! The Snow Fairy will bring you good luck for one year! May you be blessed by his good deeds!


     

        snowfairy.jpg




  Destiny....   

Chit...didn't work...it was really really good too....

Was it this?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/92725_jpg_280x210.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:13:42 AM
Yeah, if someone wants to start a new thread and post "dirt" on Renfro and/or Renee Gielen please feel free to do so. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 12:14:16 AM
Carpe...if I had an email addy for you...I would forward the Snow Fairy jpeg to you....LOL...Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 12:16:29 AM
Carpe...I hereby Honor You With the title of Snow Fairy....

You have been chosen to receive the Blessing of the Snow Fairy! The Snow Fairy will bring you good luck for one year! May you be blessed by his good deeds!


     

        snowfairy.jpg




  Destiny....   

Chit...didn't work...it was really really good too....

Was it this?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/92725_jpg_280x210.jpg)

I'll forard it to your hotmail...don't know how to post it her...Thanks Klaas...sorry I flooded your mail earlier...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:29:37 AM
Carpe...I hereby Honor You With the title of Snow Fairy....

You have been chosen to receive the Blessing of the Snow Fairy! The Snow Fairy will bring you good luck for one year! May you be blessed by his good deeds!


     

        snowfairy.jpg




  Destiny....   

Chit...didn't work...it was really really good too....

Was it this?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/92725_jpg_280x210.jpg)

I'll forard it to your hotmail...don't know how to post it her...Thanks Klaas...sorry I flooded your mail earlier...

ROFLMAO

To Carpe:

From Destiny:

P.S. Carpe, you should forward to Guido  ::MonkeyHaHa::

((edit))


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:42:16 AM
Destiny - do we know when Diario is going to publish the letter/ad?  Will it be in the hard copy and online editions both?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 12:54:19 AM
Destiny - do we know when Diario is going to publish the letter/ad?  Will it be in the hard copy and online editions both?  TIA

I was told Friday...both editions...pap and english...maybe dutch too...and put out to ap Netherlands...keeping fingers crossed...Plus, I should get the other article I emailed you about in email in the am....hoping for letter too...I'll call again on that one again...will forard all to you and *******...ASAP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:59:13 AM
Destiny - do we know when Diario is going to publish the letter/ad?  Will it be in the hard copy and online editions both?  TIA

I was told Friday...both editions...pap and english...maybe dutch too...and put out to ap Netherlands...keeping fingers crossed...Plus, I should get the other article I emailed you about in email in the am....hoping for letter too...I'll call again on that one again...will forard all to you and *******...ASAP

Thanks Destiny! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 29, 2008, 01:01:29 AM
Nice work Destiny! I am very proud of what you accomplished..

Nite Ladies  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 01:02:46 AM
Monkeys and Monkettes....I've been *told* that Renee is not very well liked by some colleague's in Aruba...if we can provide the dirt...errrrmmmm...ahhhhhhhh....*shit*...yeah that's the word...to them...they will run with it....got my shovel....how 'bout you...  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 01:03:54 AM
Nice work Destiny! I am very proud of what you accomplished..

Nite Ladies  ::MonkeyWink::

Nite Sweet Pea....sleep with the Angels...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 01:09:18 AM
Hello Monkeys!!!
So proud of you Destiny!!!
You so rock!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 01:13:14 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 01:14:39 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 01:15:39 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 

Thanks Klaas...means the world to me and my little guy!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 01:22:39 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 

Thanks Klaas...means the world to me and my little guy!!!

Your little guy has a very wise and caring mom, I'm sure you two will make the right decision  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 01:26:28 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 

Thanks Klaas...means the world to me and my little guy!!!

Sending Prayers for Clarity...Guidence...and Serenity...lighting a light blue candle for You and Family....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 01:27:40 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 01:34:32 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL!

Nite Klaas...I worked you overtime today...sleep deep...sleep well...Thank You...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 01:42:38 AM
You know, you don't realise how impersonal the world is until you have a crisis. Then all of a sudden...you become "just another case". I always understood Beth and Jug and Dave's need to make the world understand that Natalee was not just another case!!! So much of the criticism Beth has received is from her need to portray the "real Natalee" That she was an extraordinary child and not just some drunken kid who decided to extend her vacation. The thing I most admire about Beth was that like my Mom, she KNEW her daughter!!! And she knew that something was WRONG right away because she KNEW her daughter and KNEW her character.
Too many moms now a days DON'T know their daughters. I think their own guilt is what causes them to this day to attack Beth as they do. But us mothers that KNOW our children, as Beth knew Natalee...KNOW!!!! that we instinctively would have known right away that "something bad had happened" and would have gone to the ends of the earth to first try and save our child..and when hope was lost...to bring justice to our child. It's why we are here three years later!!!
I feel my son is at risk right now. Fortunately, unlike Natalee's parents...I have the evidence to see he could possibly be forced into a situation where he is "at risk". How wonderful if all the parents who lost children had some sign before hand so they could protect their children!!! I have the foresight...so if something happens to my little guy...the blame is all on me. PLEASE PLEASE...say a prayer that I am half as effective as Beth and Jug and Dave were in establishing the facts to the authorities....and that I can prevent my little guy from entering into a dangerous situation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 01:44:08 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 

Thanks Klaas...means the world to me and my little guy!!!

Sending Prayers for Clarity...Guidence...and Serenity...lighting a light blue candle for You and Family....

what an absolute angel you are...thank you so much Sweetie!!!-


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 02:17:20 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 

Thanks Klaas...means the world to me and my little guy!!!

Sending Prayers for Clarity...Guidence...and Serenity...lighting a light blue candle for You and Family....

what an absolute angel you are...thank you so much Sweetie!!!-

Honeybunch...get my email from Klaas....I'll send you my cell phone #...You need someone to talk to...I've got big ears...strong shoulders...and tons of rollover minutes....I'm just another Mom...here, for You Dear...You are not alone...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 02:25:49 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!

You got it! 

Thanks Klaas...means the world to me and my little guy!!!

Sending Prayers for Clarity...Guidence...and Serenity...lighting a light blue candle for You and Family....

what an absolute angel you are...thank you so much Sweetie!!!-

Honeybunch...get my email from Klaas....I'll send you my cell phone #...You need someone to talk to...I've got big ears...strong shoulders...and tons of rollover minutes....I'm just another Mom...here, for You Dear...You are not alone...

thanks Sweetie...need a bit of help...not use to asking..but not for me. Klass, it's ok to send Destiny my e-mail address.
you ARE an angel for the Diario article...I am so proud of you!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sirensong on May 29, 2008, 02:41:43 AM
Quote: "they, ask what is next? detainment without charge, hacking of computers?"

Looks to me like they already detain everyone without charge.  Just "suspicions".  And we know what BS that is because they don't back it up.  They charge "kidnapping, murder, complicity" then say, "no, there is no evidence" for those they support, but can hold someone they don't like or want to keep quiet, for quite a while with the "suspicions".  There is no justice system in Aruba.  Just a bunch of cronies and corruption.

Idstlou, prayers for you and your little guy. 

Destiny, god bless.  Natalee must be so proud of all the people here that have come together for her.  Amazing Grace, it is!!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 29, 2008, 07:50:10 AM
Quote
U.S. Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan Waters

May 27th 2008, by Nikolas Kozloff - CounterPunch

With U.S. saber rattling towards Venezuela now at its height, the Pentagon has decided to reactivate the Navy’s fourth fleet in the Caribbean, Central and South America.

It’s a bold move, and has already stirred controversy within the wider region.

The fleet, which will start patrolling in July, will be based at the Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida and will answer to the U.S. Southern Command in Miami. Rear Admiral Joseph Keran, current commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command, will oversee operations. About 11 vessels are currently under the Southern Command, a number that could increase in future. The Navy plans to assign a nuclear-powered air craft carrier, USS George Washington, to the force.

It’s difficult to see how the revival of the Fourth Fleet is warranted at the present time. The move has only served to further antagonize Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, already rattled by a U.S. navy plane’s violation of Venezuelan airspace over the weekend. In the long-term, the Pentagon’s saber rattling may encourage South American militaries to assert great independence from Washington, a trend which is already well under way as I discuss in my new book, Revolution! South America and the Rise of the New Left (Palgrave-Macmillan).

Reacting angrily to the Navy’s announcement, Chávez said: ``They don't scare us in the least.'' Chávez remarked that ``along with Brazil we're studying the creation of a South American Defense Council'' which would defend South America from foreign intervention. “If a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) exists,” the Venezuelan leader postulated, “why can’t a SATO exist, a South Atlantic Treaty Organization?"

Though the resuscitation of the Fourth Fleet has led many to believe that the U.S. is pursuing a course of gunboat diplomacy in the region, there was a time when the force arguably served a real need. What is the history of the Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan waters?

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3496

iarticle tellls a lot about the history of the Fourth Fleet in WWII.
protecting oil refineries on Aruba and Curaçao.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: SS on May 29, 2008, 07:53:46 AM
Monkeys and Monkettes....I've been *told* that Renee is not very well liked by some colleague's in Aruba...if we can provide the dirt...errrrmmmm...ahhhhhhhh....*shit*...yeah that's the word...to them...they will run with it....got my shovel....how 'bout you...  ::MonkeyCool::



Looks like the worm has turned.  I hear that paybacks are a bitch.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: SS on May 29, 2008, 07:57:48 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!



I'm praying and talking to the Universe.  I hope everything works out for you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 29, 2008, 08:33:43 AM
Good Morning..

Caesu, I'm not sure I have seen anything in the last few days that indicates the real reason why the 4 th fleet is moving into position near Venezuela. There are a litany of reasons such as; - funding the FARC, (300 million dollars), laptops with ties to the FARC and Chavez, the leader of the FARC has died of a heart attack and it was announced earlier this week (he had control over the FARC for 40 years - most may have missed this due to the holiday)...drug trafficking, money laundering, and building ties with outlaw regimes.

but I suspect it's go time for Iran. I imagine this fleet was moved to prevent a counter strike by Venezuela in the event Iran is hit and hit hard. Venezuela has purchased several (I think 4) high tech diesel submarines and they have probably already arrived. Also purchased 22 billion in new fighter craft (not sure what only 22 billion buys these day - but - it's not going to be anything too high tech in my opinion) and they have rearmed with some soviet type M-1 - M-16s.

+++++++++++++++
prayer for Lis' little guy.

Des - you are an angel!!!

Janet where the heck are you???



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 08:45:30 AM
Monkeys and Monkettes....I've been *told* that Renee is not very well liked by some colleague's in Aruba...if we can provide the dirt...errrrmmmm...ahhhhhhhh....*shit*...yeah that's the word...to them...they will run with it....got my shovel....how 'bout you...  ::MonkeyCool::

roflmao, please use a steam shovel.  she deserve it.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 09:10:04 AM
Posted at RU:

Quote from: xipp

I have never heard of Renee Gielen since a few months ago when I started to read about Joran.

Maybe she is taken serious by people who do not speak Dutch.
A lot of things are not completely translated or not translated at all. :lol:

In Holland everything is quite obvious since Joran made his confession.

It is not about my sources Billyboy. The Dutch sources Renee Gielen works with (since Jorans confession) are the loozers and the Peter R de Vries haters. People who lost juridical cases from Peter R and so-called  ex-criminals, that kind of types. So, for some people this is not about Natalee, but about Peter R and everybody who cooperates with him.
(like Patrick).


Know what I mean?

Quote from: xipp
I think(8)) I have seen some mistranslations an forgotten translations overhere (RU),  but in Holland everybody speaks Dutch so the Dutch people can not be fooled. :P


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:16:36 AM
Renee Gielen Says dutch on a blog:
Beth is so gradually a lonely, mentally ill, by her daughter obsessed woman who probably wants nothing more than a solution so she can futher with her life , even though that's behind bars( in JAil).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:18:44 AM
Renee Gielen Says dutch on a blog:

She (NH)  enjoyed the  life on Aruba , finally away from the sister of Hitler ".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 09:22:30 AM
Renee Gielen Says dutch on a blog:

She (NH)  enjoyed the  life on Aruba , finally away from the sister of Hitler ".

Renee is FOS and obviously a looser. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 09:26:45 AM
Feel free to add anything you might dig up on Siddalee (Julia Renfro's aka Glenda's mom) as well.  Siddalee is as bad as her daughter, IMO.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SiddaleeRU052908.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:28:26 AM
Renee Gielen Says  on a dutch  blog:

Renee gielen wanted to make a documentary together with Peter r de Vries
 
I have previously suggested de Vries (2006) in order to do it together, but did not believe that Joran no rapist and murderer was likely. He (PrdV)would not even look in toother side. And so he found a good friend  in Mos.

What you comment on Mos, I'm absolutely nothing to this man owed. I'l do his  work haha.
I have no extortion, no hidden cameras, no (criminal) used infiltrators, witnesses respected and looked further than my nose long. What I've found, it was normaly his work


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
a comment : ::MonkeyHaHa::


februari 26th, 2008 at 14:36
Okay Renee. I am writing this in English so that our American friends can follow along as well. Why do you continue to say horrible things about Natalee ( she was drinking 70% alcohol in the morning)?. What is your objective? What do you want to achieve?
I read your article in Elsevier where you stated that she was not on the FBI missing’s person’s list. SHE IS! Why the complot theory? You are causing more damage to Aruba ( by stirring up resentment on both sides) than Joran ever did. Again the facts on the rehab center, please: WHEN, and WHERE? You are also playing on anti-American sentiment to earn support for your cause. Netwerk is the equivalent of “Fox News” in the Netherlands, very biased, one -sided ( anti-American) journalism. Furthermore, the only person that I have seen stoned on drugs is Joran, yet you continue to defame Natalee’s character.
The GHB theory is my own and is not based on information from the “Holloway” clan. There are rumors that Joran had raped girls ( 14 years old!) in the past with the GHB drug, if this is true, than you are doing them a disservice as well as the girls who may be harmed in the future.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:37:12 AM
On a dutch  blog:

look out for Renee Gielen  


February 28th, 2008 at 16:00
Warning to anyone who dares Renee Gielen ask questions about sources: you get fraudulent phone calls and your computer is hacked. I dare not even to say who I am but will be very grateful for this information sharing
 I stop posting here , it's too dangerous.

Renee, please be honest and tell everyone that you are a friend of Joran and his mother and the official spokesperson of the Van der Slors family, therefore, they can understand your motives more clearly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 09:37:21 AM
a comment : ::MonkeyHaHa::


februari 26th, 2008 at 14:36
Okay Renee. I am writing this in English so that our American friends can follow along as well. Why do you continue to say horrible things about Natalee ( she was drinking 70% alcohol in the morning)?. What is your objective? What do you want to achieve?
I read your article in Elsevier where you stated that she was not on the FBI missing’s person’s list. SHE IS! Why the complot theory? You are causing more damage to Aruba ( by stirring up resentment on both sides) than Joran ever did. Again the facts on the rehab center, please: WHEN, and WHERE? You are also playing on anti-American sentiment to earn support for your cause. Netwerk is the equivalent of “Fox News” in the Netherlands, very biased, one -sided ( anti-American) journalism. Furthermore, the only person that I have seen stoned on drugs is Joran, yet you continue to defame Natalee’s character.
The GHB theory is my own and is not based on information from the “Holloway” clan. There are rumors that Joran had raped girls ( 14 years old!) in the past with the GHB drug, if this is true, than you are doing them a disservice as well as the girls who may be harmed in the future.


Exactly!

Johan - please post Renee's response to this (if she does respond)  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 09:49:09 AM
Renee Gielen not welcome to Chief Hans Mos and police in Aruba  
jan 2008
Renee Gielen months already calls ed to have evidence and there are all sorts of strange theorie's on hold after is not welcome at the Hoofdofficier in Aruba
During a phone call would have said Hans Mos:
"I am very busy with the completion of a case and therefore have no time; soon I go for several weeks to Holland , call me, but at the end of February. So you will have all sorts of theories on and after the only correct theory is mine. "

Renee Gielen its findings can not lose with the Public Ministry. Also not with the police. She had earlier contacted with Dolphi Richardson and told her that the police should assume nothing more and referred me kindly to the PPS.

The controversial journalist can now perhaps at its own expense a docu go for a local emitter, A You Tube movie perhaps?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 10:02:16 AM
Renee Gielen Says  on a dutch  blog:

Renee gielen wanted to make a documentary together with Peter r de Vries
 
I have previously suggested de Vries (2006) in order to do it together, but did not believe that Joran no rapist and murderer was likely. He (PrdV)would not even look in toother side. And so he found a good friend  in Mos.

What you comment on Mos, I'm absolutely nothing to this man owed. I'l do his  work haha.
I have no extortion, no hidden cameras, no (criminal) used infiltrators, witnesses respected and looked further than my nose long. What I've found, it was normaly his work

roflmfao, funny she should mention her nose, that pinocchio snout is surpassed only by julia(glenda)'s, and jvds.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 29, 2008, 10:04:43 AM
Yeah, if someone wants to start a new thread and post "dirt" on Renfro and/or Renee Gielen please feel free to do so. 

DONE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 10:12:07 AM
Wherever I read a blurb about Renee Gielen, it is usually followed by "best know for her her work on the Bon Futuro prison".  There is much information on Curacao's Bon Futuro prison, however nothing I have found is credited to Renee Gielen.  Wherever her work is found, it is definitely not widely accessible.

 ::MonkeyRoll::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 10:14:47 AM
aruba 2010 :  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/stage-Renee-2.jpg?t=1212070338)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 10:17:23 AM
aruba 2010 :  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/stage-Renee-2.jpg?t=1212070338)



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 10:44:51 AM
I'have send the opposition (pvv,Wilders,Hero Brinkman ,Verdonk ,Groen links,VVD,Marijnissen etc> in Holland, this letter from The PG in aruba  mr. drs. T.D. Croes to Rene v Nie .
And asked them to ask the minister Hirsch Ballin  how this is possible !

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

via google
Dear lord of Nie,

I read on your website that among other things, as I Aruban PG in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have ruined the case.

I gave you earlier pointed out that this is contrary to the truth and I've asked you to stop untruths to proclaim.

I will again say how things really works. Natalee is the night of 29 on May 30, 2005 disappeared. I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands. I do have those days during telephone contact with hovj Janssen and I've told her several times that those three boys, whose last with her and had let persist. Her answer was that those boys were first draught, because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go". When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that those who had boys persist. Her answer was that they were waiting on video from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would be included on the video. Never before has a hearing in Aruba on the video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me. I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.

But as you now do, when I was appointed as the culprit of that disastrous first ten days, while I have nothing to do with it. The first eight days, I was not even in Aruba. The hovj Janssen for me as ai PG and they took the decisions. I have never throughout the investigation had contact with Commissioner van der Straten, either personally or by telephone ..

I'm never hovj by Janssen was informed of the planned arrest of the two guards. I've had this in the Netherlands on television. I was never made clear why these two guards were arrested, because there was no indication that they were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. They are never to draught "to have something to the hearing to go".

I would be grateful if you have a correction on your website and places where you are in the future would refrain from proclaim untruths.

mr drs T.D. Croes

NAWOORD (RvN): I FIND IT VERY VERY INTERESTING WHAT THE PG WRITE. ABOVE ALL THE PASSAGE OF TWO BLACK MEN APPEAR TO BE BASED ON NOTHING .... OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OR 'FOUTJE'???? THIS IS SO THAT MAY CONTAIN THE TIME FOR (KARIN ETC.) TOGETHER WITH THE ROADS THIS CASE OF THE FIRST 10 DAYS HAS GETRAINEERD. IN COOPERATION WITH WHO, FOR WHOM AND WHY?

Dutch:
brief aan Renee v Nie .
INGEZONDEN:
Geachte heer van Nie,

Ik lees weer op uw website dat onder meer ik als Arubaanse P-G in de cruciale eerste tien dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway de zaak verpest heb.

Ik heb u al eerder op gewezen dat dit in strijd is met de waarheid en ik heb u ook verzocht op te houden met onwaarheden te verkondigen.

Ik zal u nog een keer zeggen hoe de zaak werkelijk in elkaar steekt. Natalee is in de nacht van 29 op 30 mei 2005 verdwenen. Ik was tot en met 6 juni, de eerste acht dagen na de verdwijning, in Nederland. Ik heb wel gedurende die dagen telefonisch contact gehad met hovj Janssen en ik heb haar meerdere malen gezegd dat zij die drie jongens, die als laatste met haar waren, moest laten aanhouden. Haar antwoord was dat die jongens eerst getapt moesten worden, want anders had de politie "niets om het verhoor in te gaan". Toen ik in Aruba terugkeerde heb ik haar opnieuw gezegd dat zij die jongens moest aanhouden. Haar antwoord was toen dat ze aan het wachten waren op videomateriaal uit Nederland, want het verhoor van de jongens zou op de video opgenomen worden. Nooit eerder is in Aruba een verhoor op de video opgenomen. Waarom dat nu moest gebeuren, kon mij niet duidelijk gemaakt worden. Ik was er tegen, omdat de politie nooit eerder video-verhoren had opgenomen en geen ervaring hadden met deze wijze van verhoren.

Maar zoals u nu ook doet, werd ik toen aangewezen als de schuldige van die rampzalige eerste tien dagen, terwijl ik daar helemaal niets mee te maken heb. De eerste acht dagen was ik niet eens in Aruba. De hovj Janssen verving mij als wnd P-G en zij nam de beslissingen. Ik heb nooit gedurende het gehele onderzoek contact gehad met commissaris van der Straten, noch persoonlijk, noch telefonisch..

Ik ben nooit door hovj Janssen op de hoogte gesteld van de voorgenomen aanhouding van de twee bewakers. Ik heb dit in Nederland op de televisie gezien. Mij is ook nooit duidelijk gemaakt waarom deze twee bewakers aangehouden moesten worden, want er was geen enkele aanwijzing, dat zij betrokken waren bij de verdwijning van Natalee. Ze zijn ook nooit getapt om "iets te hebben om het verhoor in te gaan".

Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen indien u een rectificatie op uw website zou plaatsen en indien u zich in de toekomst zou onthouden van het verkondigen van onwaarheden.

mr. drs. T.D. Croes

NAWOORD(RvN): IK VIND HET HEEL ERG INTERESSANT WAT DE P.G. SCHRIJFT. VOORAL DE PASSAGE OVER DE TWEE ZWARTE MANNEN DIE OP BASIS VAN NIETS....ZIJN OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OF 'FOUTJE'???? DIT ZOU DUS KUNNEN INHOUDEN DAT HET TOENMALIGE O.M. ( KARIN ETC. ) SAMEN MET VAN DER STRATEN DEZE ZAAK DE EERSTE 10 DAGEN GETRAINEERD HEEFT. IN SAMENWERKING MET WIE, VOOR WIE EN WAAROM?

br:RvN




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
Feel free to add anything you might dig up on Siddalee (Julia Renfro's aka Glenda's mom) as well.  Siddalee is as bad as her daughter, IMO.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SiddaleeRU052908.jpg)

roflmao!!!
They just love you too over there don't they Klaas!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 11:10:05 AM
Hey guys!!

o/t

You know I only ask for prayers for other people....but I really need some prayers...for my little guy. Not his health thank goodness..but we are having a dilemma..and I really could use some prayers right now.
Just ask God to send us the right decision.
Thanks so much!!!



I'm praying and talking to the Universe.  I hope everything works out for you.

Thanks so much!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 11:11:19 AM
Renee Gielen Says dutch on a blog:
Beth is so gradually a lonely, mentally ill, by her daughter obsessed woman who probably wants nothing more than a solution so she can futher with her life , even though that's behind bars( in JAil).


she really posted this? What a wench!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
were can i find  "siddalee" klaasend ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 11:36:43 AM
were can i find  "siddalee" klaasend ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?

Siddalee posts at RU along with her mother Glenda (Julia Renfro)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 11:45:31 AM
Quote
U.S. Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan Waters

May 27th 2008, by Nikolas Kozloff - CounterPunch

With U.S. saber rattling towards Venezuela now at its height, the Pentagon has decided to reactivate the Navy’s fourth fleet in the Caribbean, Central and South America.

It’s a bold move, and has already stirred controversy within the wider region.

The fleet, which will start patrolling in July, will be based at the Mayport Naval Station in Jacksonville, Florida and will answer to the U.S. Southern Command in Miami. Rear Admiral Joseph Keran, current commander of the Naval Special Warfare Command, will oversee operations. About 11 vessels are currently under the Southern Command, a number that could increase in future. The Navy plans to assign a nuclear-powered air craft carrier, USS George Washington, to the force.

It’s difficult to see how the revival of the Fourth Fleet is warranted at the present time. The move has only served to further antagonize Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, already rattled by a U.S. navy plane’s violation of Venezuelan airspace over the weekend. In the long-term, the Pentagon’s saber rattling may encourage South American militaries to assert great independence from Washington, a trend which is already well under way as I discuss in my new book, Revolution! South America and the Rise of the New Left (Palgrave-Macmillan).

Reacting angrily to the Navy’s announcement, Chávez said: ``They don't scare us in the least.'' Chávez remarked that ``along with Brazil we're studying the creation of a South American Defense Council'' which would defend South America from foreign intervention. “If a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) exists,” the Venezuelan leader postulated, “why can’t a SATO exist, a South Atlantic Treaty Organization?"

Though the resuscitation of the Fourth Fleet has led many to believe that the U.S. is pursuing a course of gunboat diplomacy in the region, there was a time when the force arguably served a real need. What is the history of the Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan waters?

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/3496

iarticle tellls a lot about the history of the Fourth Fleet in WWII.
protecting oil refineries on Aruba and Curaçao.

Chavez started rattling his swords first.  Now lets see him put his money (cocaine) where his big mouth is.  He is hated in the region.
Chavez is a coke sniffing dictator who is a danger to the region and the free world in that he is attempting to ensnare the whole world in a coke dream and destroy democracy in his weak and evil minded state.  He is beyond rehab in that he is as rooted as the coke plants he allows to be served to other parts of the world.  He has rattled his swords once too often.  Now if he thinks for one minute he can get up enough people to support him, he better have something to back it up besides dope.   jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 11:52:48 AM
were can i find  "siddalee" klaasend ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?

Hey johan. Is there any way you can capture the actual posts that renee made and e-mail them to me? Someone would like to have those.
Thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 29, 2008, 11:57:47 AM
Feel free to add anything you might dig up on Siddalee (Julia Renfro's aka Glenda's mom) as well.  Siddalee is as bad as her daughter, IMO.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/SiddaleeRU052908.jpg)

roflmao!!!
They just love you too over there don't they Klaas!!!

I think Renho learned a lot of her nastiness at the knee of the master.......her mother, Siddalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 12:03:35 PM
were can i find  "siddalee" klaasend ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?

Siddalee posts at RU along with her mother Glenda (Julia Renfro)

LOL.........you mean Siddalee posts at RU along with her daughter, Glenda (Julia Renfro)

Julia Renfro is the answer to the science question, "What do you get when you cross a Ho-bag with a devil?"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 12:05:56 PM
klaas can you {{edit - taken care of ::MonkeyWink:: }} me and  ldstlou  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 12:07:23 PM
aruba 2010 :  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/stage-Renee-2.jpg?t=1212070338)



Glad she sent you her "best" picture.  She is a real winner in this one as compared to the other ones.   LOL  Jackb

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:16:01 PM
were can i find  "siddalee" klaasend ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?

Siddalee posts at RU along with her mother Glenda (Julia Renfro)

LOL.........you mean Siddalee posts at RU along with her daughter, Glenda (Julia Renfro)

Julia Renfro is the answer to the science question, "What do you get when you cross a Ho-bag with a devil?"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




oops - yes, I had it backwards, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 29, 2008, 12:19:38 PM
aruba 2010 :  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/stage-Renee-2.jpg?t=1212070338)



 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 12:22:38 PM
here another one on that blog
T is a friend of RG

via Google
T Says:

February 18th, 2008 at 17:50
Eef, you do not think that if there is anything of what you expose believes connections to explain what would that have long Joran would be arrested. What you do is uncritical oplepelen false rumors and what's not in a booth to call comes as louche trailertrash, "" misinformation campaign ", etc. I can use the same wording on the Twittys and Holloways (lies on arrival at aruba, used on the posters, on the medjet, on the ransom, Julia Renfro, on the Kalpoe brothers, Nadira Kalpoe, lies about Jan van der Straaten, Lorenzo on the Rhine and ga but…). Oh, Beth and Jug sat each evening at the casino, laughing all the time and were drunk all the time … and left with an outstanding departure involved a total of 360,000 dollars unpaid…


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 12:26:38 PM
were can i find  "siddalee" klaasend ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::is that a forum ?

Siddalee posts at RU along with her mother Glenda (Julia Renfro)

LOL.........you mean Siddalee posts at RU along with her daughter, Glenda (Julia Renfro)

Julia Renfro is the answer to the science question, "What do you get when you cross a Ho-bag with a devil?"

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Would it be bagged Devil's food HO HOs?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 12:44:54 PM

Would it be bagged Devil's food HO HOs?

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 12:52:39 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







I haven't found it yet either  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 01:00:55 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







I haven't found it yet either  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks, Klaas.  Glad it's not just me.   ::MonkeyCool::

If I was Renee, I would be pizzed.  I mean, i's the work she's BEST KNOWN FOR.

 ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 01:07:34 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







lol, those blurbs are written and furnished by the person the article is about.  that her prison work was so highly appreciated is gielen's own perception of the work, not anyone else's. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 01:08:40 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







important ? huh ?
that was for Nicis Institute

http://www.integratie.net/skcn/dossiers/Veiligheid/Criminaliteit/bon-futuro_1141.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 01:12:33 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







important ? huh ?
that was for Nicis Institute

http://www.integratie.net/skcn/dossiers/Veiligheid/Criminaliteit/bon-futuro_1141.html

Maybe she was an inmate either here and/or there.  Got out by puffing colons.   j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 01:20:37 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







I haven't found it yet either  ::MonkeyWink::

Thanks, Klaas.  Glad it's not just me.   ::MonkeyCool::

If I was Renee, I would be pizzed.  I mean, i's the work she's BEST KNOWN FOR.

 ::MonkeyWink::



Maybe as an inmate file?  As sort of an inmate's perspective?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 01:22:41 PM
Thanks, Johan555.  At least we know Renee's documentary exists.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 01:28:09 PM
Thanks, Johan555.  At least we know Renee's documentary exists.




Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - 1/29/08Jan 28, 2008 ... That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man ...
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333487 - 121k - Cached - Similar pages



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 01:35:13 PM
has RG a watch ?

'New' evidence strengthened lie mother Natalee Holloway
May 24, 2008, 17:52 (GMT -04:00)

WILLEMSTAD / ORANJESTAD - A printout of the telephone of Natalee Holloway shows that mother Beth already to 17.15 - almost six hours as they have so far declared - with her private jet landed on May 30 in Aruba. This says at least the Curaçaose TV producer Renee Gielen, who is in possession of the telefoonuitdraai of the mobile telephone of Natalee.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

on the nwo blogje writes on Gielen

Renee Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 3:31

Now it is proved that they landed at 19.45 and not 23 hours.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
Thanks, Johan555.  At least we know Renee's documentary exists.




Amigoe article
On July 3, 2007, the Netherlands Antilles newspaper Amigoe reported on a documentary video being produced by Renée Gielen, previously best known for exposé documentaries about Curacao's Bon Futuro prison. The video was based in part on interviews with Dompig and with Renfro.

According to interviews done in preparation for the film, Aruban authorities had been systematically obstructed in their investigation by the FBI and other American authorities. They also indicate that within a day of Holloway being declared missing, a medjet, unauthorized by Aruban authorities, had arrived on Aruba and had remained for several days. They further indicate that, while the purpose of the medjet was not even known to its crew and medical personnel, it was in fact to spirit Holloway off the island if she were freed from a drug house in Oranjestad. Holloway's departure was to be covert and without notice to local authorities.[148]

The article states that Renfro and Beth Twitty received a phone call from an unknown woman on June 2, 2005. That woman was offering information about Holloway's location and the information that Holloway was still alive but was unwilling to return to her mother. Further information was offered for $4,000. Twitty was unwilling to pay more than $1,000 for the information, and in fact did not pay anything. Believing there was a good chance of finding Holloway, Renfro and another American went to the drug house where Holloway supposedly was, bringing money. However, they found that Jug Twitty had already been to the area, spreading "a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity", and nothing could be accomplished.[148] They blamed Jug Twitty for the failure.[148] The same story, in less detail, appears in the Vanity Fair article.[27]

Further, according to Amigoe's report on the interviews, Aruban authorities were obstructed at the highest level in their attempts to investigate Holloway's relatives, and they received very limited cooperation in their attempts to question Holloway's fellow graduates.[148]


more wikipedia junk:



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 01:44:51 PM
Natalee was murdered twice.
on the dutch blog
KG Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 10:15

Natalee was murdered twice. In the first place by negligence and / or cooperation of (?) Joran and in the second instance by Renee Gielen . Miss Renee: if Natalee was in rehab, can you give us the data and transmit the name of the Rehab-center so that what is convincing to us all. The sources reported that you are: Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo, two psychics and an Aruban taxi driver who speaks English poorly. Not really convincing.
The many extracurricular activities of Natalee were: The American field Service, Dorian Dance Team, Future Business Leaders of America, Mu Alpha Theta (Math Honor Society), Natural Helpers. Outdoors Club, Spanish Club, Spanish Honor Cociety, Spartan Pride and TASC (Teens actively Serving the Community). Everyone is free to brook Mountain High School to call to verify that information. These activities can not perform if she was pregnant and in a rehab Saturday.
THE quest to Natalee will meanwhile continue. Why would her parents will continue if she has something to hide. Not logical.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 29, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
Natalee was murdered twice.
on the dutch blog
KG Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 10:15

Natalee was murdered twice. In the first place by negligence and / or cooperation of (?) Joran and in the second instance by Renee Gielen . Miss Renee: if Natalee was in rehab, can you give us the data and transmit the name of the Rehab-center so that what is convincing to us all. The sources reported that you are: Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo, two psychics and an Aruban taxi driver who speaks English poorly. Not really convincing.
The many extracurricular activities of Natalee were: The American field Service, Dorian Dance Team, Future Business Leaders of America, Mu Alpha Theta (Math Honor Society), Natural Helpers. Outdoors Club, Spanish Club, Spanish Honor Cociety, Spartan Pride and TASC (Teens actively Serving the Community). Everyone is free to brook Mountain High School to call to verify that information. These activities can not perform if she was pregnant and in a rehab Saturday.
THE quest to Natalee will meanwhile continue. Why would her parents will continue if she has something to hide. Not logical.

:: BriansDreams.com & BriansPrediction.com :: Natalee Holloway ...Jan 27, 2006 ... He was held in the Aruba prison for three months ...... previously best known for exposé documentaries about Curacao's Bon Futuro prison. ...
briansdreams.com/warnings001.htm - 154k - Cached - Similar pages
j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 02:01:18 PM
on the same blog :
266
T Says:

February 27th, 2008 at 23:36
 Charles Do not forget that the tourism interests are enormous. Seventy percent of the tourists were American. Joran is the perfect scapegoat (European Aruban).
Americans will not be prosecuted anyway because of the economic interests. Also indigenous Arubans will not quickly suspected in this case (because of various external family and other ties with the police).
Beth has perfect response to American and anti-Aruban feelings to himself outside shot to continue. She is a pathological borderliner that her daughter has for a long life and was now using this case the ultimate revenge on her daughter to know.
Beth Joran know that they must keep in close by making use of criminals (Joe Mamana, Van der Eem, Jossy Mansur), private detectives and money-mediainfotainment representatives (PR de Vries, Greta of Susteren, Nancy Grace, Bill O'Reilly and others).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 02:11:00 PM
i am scanning that blog now  ::MonkeyHaHa::
330
Nut44x4 Says:

februari 29th, 2008 at 3:36
Julia Renfro made the HOOTIE posters….so quit yer lyin’!! SICK OF ALL THE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 02:12:59 PM
i am scanning that blog now  ::MonkeyHaHa::
330
Nut44x4 Says:

februari 29th, 2008 at 3:36
Julia Renfro made the HOOTIE posters….so quit yer lyin’!! SICK OF ALL THE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



you go Nut!!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 29, 2008, 02:24:04 PM
Quote
Letter to the Netherlands about the admission of investigation method

ORANJESTAD – With declaring the OM admissible in the Domino-case, Aruba has opened the door for all sorts of ‘subsequent legitimized investigation techniques’, writes the human rights organization Rainbow Warriors in a letter to four Lower House committees in the Netherlands, objecting this state of affairs.

“The judge self has indicated that there is no legal basis for the use of OVC-methods (recording confidential communication, red.), like the Netherlands has”, said spokesperson Milton Ponson.

According to Rainbow Warriors, after September 11, 2001, the American Civil Liberties Union in the United States has been complaining for years against “illegal methods used against unsuspecting citizens and afterwards not dismissed by the courts for the supply of evidence”.

Rainbow Warriors wonder whether double standards are ‘officially’ being applied in the Dutch Royal Kingdom, because the EVRM (European Treaty for the Human Rights) and other treaties (that protects the privacy of the citizens, red.) also apply in Aruba.

The organization wonders what to expect after this: “(…) in custody without reason; unauthorized telephone tabs by Setar personnel – something that Diario claims and also we have the suspicion that this happens big time for quite some time already – (…); and the hacking of PCs and laptops of citizens in Aruba?”

Rainbow Warriors also criticizes the fact that there is still no privacy legislation in Aruba that protects the personal data of citizens.  The government announced in December of 2006 that in cooperation with the Neth.Antilles, Aruba is working on a privacy law, which is to this day not yet ready.  The OM acknowledged earlier in this paper that investigation methods are being used that are legally not laid down by law yet.  However, this takes place “open and transparent”, said chief public prosecutor Hans Mos at that time.  But laying down methods by law takes a long time, which limits justice in combating criminality.  These methods are being used in the Netherlands and other countries with a comparable legal system. 

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 02:28:04 PM
HELP AGAIN...GOING TO LAYOUT FOR TOMORROW'S PAPER....
JUST GOT THIS....Sorry to be such a pest.....Des...


Hi XXXXXXX

 

It's me again.

Now I'm sending the folder to the one that must download it for me, but he said that the resolution must be higher.

Can you pls send me again with a higher resolution.

Of if it is better for you to send me the text apart and the picture apart then we put all together in a full page ad.
  ::MonkeyDance::
 

Thank you so much

Bye

XXXXXXXXX


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 02:30:07 PM
you have to send it in print quality  300 DPI


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 02:53:10 PM
you have to send it in print quality  300 DPI

Alas....I don't know how...Klaas put it all together for us....anyone else here who is an expert at projects like this....I must get it to her ASAP.....ooooohhhhhhhhhhhh...I feel so stupid......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 03:03:20 PM
HELP AGAIN...GOING TO LAYOUT FOR TOMORROW'S PAPER....
JUST GOT THIS....Sorry to be such a pest.....Des...


Hi XXXXXXX

 

It's me again.

Now I'm sending the folder to the one that must download it for me, but he said that the resolution must be higher.

Can you pls send me again with a higher resolution.

Of if it is better for you to send me the text apart and the picture apart then we put all together in a full page ad.
  ::MonkeyDance::
 

Thank you so much

Bye

XXXXXXXXX


I have the complete Article in jpeg and tif formats...is there someone here that I can email it to...have you do the conversion to 300 DPI-Print quality and mail it back to me?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 03:07:17 PM
Thanks, Johan555.  At least we know Renee's documentary exists.




Amigoe article
On July 3, 2007, the Netherlands Antilles newspaper Amigoe reported on a documentary video being produced by Renée Gielen, previously best known for exposé documentaries about Curacao's Bon Futuro prison. The video was based in part on interviews with Dompig and with Renfro.

According to interviews done in preparation for the film, Aruban authorities had been systematically obstructed in their investigation by the FBI and other American authorities. They also indicate that within a day of Holloway being declared missing, a medjet, unauthorized by Aruban authorities, had arrived on Aruba and had remained for several days. They further indicate that, while the purpose of the medjet was not even known to its crew and medical personnel, it was in fact to spirit Holloway off the island if she were freed from a drug house in Oranjestad. Holloway's departure was to be covert and without notice to local authorities.[148]

The article states that Renfro and Beth Twitty received a phone call from an unknown woman on June 2, 2005. That woman was offering information about Holloway's location and the information that Holloway was still alive but was unwilling to return to her mother. Further information was offered for $4,000. Twitty was unwilling to pay more than $1,000 for the information, and in fact did not pay anything. Believing there was a good chance of finding Holloway, Renfro and another American went to the drug house where Holloway supposedly was, bringing money. However, they found that Jug Twitty had already been to the area, spreading "a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity", and nothing could be accomplished.[148] They blamed Jug Twitty for the failure.[148] The same story, in less detail, appears in the Vanity Fair article.[27]

Further, according to Amigoe's report on the interviews, Aruban authorities were obstructed at the highest level in their attempts to investigate Holloway's relatives, and they received very limited cooperation in their attempts to question Holloway's fellow graduates.[148]


more wikipedia junk:



garbage like this has destroyed any usefulness and credibility that wikipedia was striving for.  everything in wikipedia is suspect now if this stuff can appear.
dennisintn

i may become a world famous brain surgeon on wikipedia some day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 03:16:00 PM
Quote
Letter to the Netherlands about the admission of investigation method

ORANJESTAD – With declaring the OM admissible in the Domino-case, Aruba has opened the door for all sorts of ‘subsequent legitimized investigation techniques’, writes the human rights organization Rainbow Warriors in a letter to four Lower House committees in the Netherlands, objecting this state of affairs.

“The judge self has indicated that there is no legal basis for the use of OVC-methods (recording confidential communication, red.), like the Netherlands has”, said spokesperson Milton Ponson.

According to Rainbow Warriors, after September 11, 2001, the American Civil Liberties Union in the United States has been complaining for years against “illegal methods used against unsuspecting citizens and afterwards not dismissed by the courts for the supply of evidence”.

Rainbow Warriors wonder whether double standards are ‘officially’ being applied in the Dutch Royal Kingdom, because the EVRM (European Treaty for the Human Rights) and other treaties (that protects the privacy of the citizens, red.) also apply in Aruba.

The organization wonders what to expect after this: “(…) in custody without reason; unauthorized telephone tabs by Setar personnel – something that Diario claims and also we have the suspicion that this happens big time for quite some time already – (…); and the hacking of PCs and laptops of citizens in Aruba?”

Rainbow Warriors also criticizes the fact that there is still no privacy legislation in Aruba that protects the personal data of citizens.  The government announced in December of 2006 that in cooperation with the Neth.Antilles, Aruba is working on a privacy law, which is to this day not yet ready.  The OM acknowledged earlier in this paper that investigation methods are being used that are legally not laid down by law yet.  However, this takes place “open and transparent”, said chief public prosecutor Hans Mos at that time.  But laying down methods by law takes a long time, which limits justice in combating criminality.  These methods are being used in the Netherlands and other countries with a comparable legal system. 

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


if there isn't a law making an activity illegal, it isn't illegal.  just because the rainbow fools don't like something doesn't make it illegal.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
HELP AGAIN...GOING TO LAYOUT FOR TOMORROW'S PAPER....
JUST GOT THIS....Sorry to be such a pest.....Des...


Hi XXXXXXX

 

It's me again.

Now I'm sending the folder to the one that must download it for me, but he said that the resolution must be higher.

Can you pls send me again with a higher resolution.

Of if it is better for you to send me the text apart and the picture apart then we put all together in a full page ad.
  ::MonkeyDance::
 

Thank you so much

Bye

XXXXXXXXX


I have the complete Article in jpeg and tif formats...is there someone here that I can email it to...have you do the conversion to 300 DPI-Print quality and mail it back to me?????

JUST GOT THIS EMAIL FROM DIARIO...


XXXXXXX;

They said to me if you send it in word document its ok too.

 

Let me know

bye

XXXXXX

     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 03:19:42 PM
HELP AGAIN...GOING TO LAYOUT FOR TOMORROW'S PAPER....
JUST GOT THIS....Sorry to be such a pest.....Des...


Hi XXXXXXX

 

It's me again.

Now I'm sending the folder to the one that must download it for me, but he said that the resolution must be higher.

Can you pls send me again with a higher resolution.

Of if it is better for you to send me the text apart and the picture apart then we put all together in a full page ad.
  ::MonkeyDance::
 

Thank you so much

Bye

XXXXXXXXX


Hold on a bit, just got back from lunch..let me see what I can send you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 03:20:29 PM
Natalee was murdered twice.
on the dutch blog
KG Says:

February 26th, 2008 at 10:15

Natalee was murdered twice. In the first place by negligence and / or cooperation of (?) Joran and in the second instance by Renee Gielen . Miss Renee: if Natalee was in rehab, can you give us the data and transmit the name of the Rehab-center so that what is convincing to us all. The sources reported that you are: Daniel Young and Kelly Castillo, two psychics and an Aruban taxi driver who speaks English poorly. Not really convincing.
The many extracurricular activities of Natalee were: The American field Service, Dorian Dance Team, Future Business Leaders of America, Mu Alpha Theta (Math Honor Society), Natural Helpers. Outdoors Club, Spanish Club, Spanish Honor Cociety, Spartan Pride and TASC (Teens actively Serving the Community). Everyone is free to brook Mountain High School to call to verify that information. These activities can not perform if she was pregnant and in a rehab Saturday.
THE quest to Natalee will meanwhile continue. Why would her parents will continue if she has something to hide. Not logical.

johan, you are so very right, sir.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
HELP AGAIN...GOING TO LAYOUT FOR TOMORROW'S PAPER....
JUST GOT THIS....Sorry to be such a pest.....Des...


Hi XXXXXXX

 

It's me again.

Now I'm sending the folder to the one that must download it for me, but he said that the resolution must be higher.

Can you pls send me again with a higher resolution.

Of if it is better for you to send me the text apart and the picture apart then we put all together in a full page ad.
  ::MonkeyDance::
 

Thank you so much

Bye

XXXXXXXXX


Hold on a bit, just got back from lunch..let me see what I can send you.

Thank Goddess for klaas!!!!!!!   This just came in minutes ago too...


XXXXX;

They said to me if you send it in word document its ok too.

 

Let me know

bye
XXXXX

     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 03:33:48 PM
KLAAS...GOT BOTH EMAILS....SENT BOTH...YOU ROCK!!!
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 03:39:27 PM
KLAAS....PLEASE CHECK MAIL....THANKS....DESTINY....NEW REQEST FROM PAPER....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 03:55:41 PM
Is there anyone here...if I post the text only of our Article...that can covert it to a *WORD DOCUMENT*...LIKE RIGHT NOW....SO SORRYYYYYYYY....they are doing their layout for the paper tomorrow....we are running on a thin time line now.....Klaas has done ALL the work on getting our Article ready for print....many Thanks from all of us, for her dedication!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 03:56:56 PM
Is there anyone here...if I post the text only of our Article...that can covert it to a *WORD DOCUMENT*...LIKE RIGHT NOW....SO SORRYYYYYYYY....they are doing their layout for the paper tomorrow....we are running on a thin time line now.....Klaas has done ALL the work on getting our Article ready for print....many Thanks from all of us, for her dedication!!!!

Just sent it to you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 03:57:49 PM
If you have MS Word simply highlight the text and copy it to a "new document". Save it and attach it in an e-mail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 03:59:20 PM
Destiny - do you need me to do something different with the photos?  I'll try another format.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 04:03:25 PM
Destiny - do you need me to do something different with the photos?  I'll try another format.

Just resent photos in a different format.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 04:03:55 PM
Klaas...please check mail again....darn it...I'm sorry...I'm good on the phone...chitty with computers....Sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 04:08:43 PM
Klaas...please check mail again....darn it...I'm sorry...I'm good on the phone...chitty with computers....Sorry!

I just resent you the text in an email, did you get it?

And I am the opposite, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 04:20:55 PM
Klaas...please check mail again....darn it...I'm sorry...I'm good on the phone...chitty with computers....Sorry!

I just resent you the text in an email, did you get it?

And I am the opposite, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

KLAAS and All Monkeys...whew!....Thank You All so very much to make this happen...just got off the phone with them...all is good...they are staying overtime at work...doing the layout for print in tomorrows' paper....Only Monkeys...most whom have never met each other...could pull together so much in a short time frame...resources...love, and compassion....for one lost Child.....God Bless us All....Thank You again....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 04:21:52 PM
Klaas...please check mail again....darn it...I'm sorry...I'm good on the phone...chitty with computers....Sorry!

I just resent you the text in an email, did you get it?

And I am the opposite, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::

KLAAS and All Monkeys...whew!....Thank You All so very much to make this happen...just got off the phone with them...all is good...they are staying overtime at work...doing the layout for print in tomorrows' paper....Only Monkeys...most whom have never met each other...could pull together so much in a short time frame...resources...love, and compassion....for one lost Child.....God Bless us All....Thank You again....

Great news Destiny - thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 04:23:12 PM
Now I need to run to the store, will be right back  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 04:41:39 PM
ldstlou  i have 70 screenshots   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 04:47:06 PM
ldstlou  i have 70 screenshots   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

wow!! Thanks, do you have my e-mail address?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 29, 2008, 04:53:58 PM
ldstlou  i have 70 screenshots   ::MonkeyConfused::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

if you don't have it, Klaas can give it to you when she has a moment.
Thanks again so much!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 04:55:21 PM
Now I need to run to the store, will be right back  ::MonkeyCool::

please take your car, it's much faster and they may need you again.
dennisintn




have to tell these people everything


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 05:02:01 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







lol, those blurbs are written and furnished by the person the article is about.  that her prison work was so highly appreciated is gielen's own perception of the work, not anyone else's. 
dennisintn
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They use this camera  for their important documentaries  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/gnion3.gif?t=1212094736)

i give 25 euro for the whole equipment  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 05:05:53 PM
Now I need to run to the store, will be right back  ::MonkeyCool::

please take your car, it's much faster and they may need you again.
dennisintn

have to tell these people everything
::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 05:08:49 PM
Thank you all for *dirt*.....saving it.....fertilizing it...heh heh heh ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
Now I need to run to the store, will be right back  ::MonkeyCool::

please take your car, it's much faster and they may need you again.
dennisintn

have to tell these people everything
::MonkeyHaHa::


Klaas's trips to to the store are so quick -- I always assumed she had to live above it!! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 05:14:54 PM
Now I need to run to the store, will be right back  ::MonkeyCool::

please take your car, it's much faster and they may need you again.
dennisintn

have to tell these people everything
::MonkeyHaHa::


Klaas's trips to to the store are so quick -- I always assumed she had to live above it!! ::MonkeyEek::

I live about 3 minutes drive from the store.  I'd walk or run it but it's quite a steep hill.  Going to the store wouldn't be too bad but returning with "stuff" would not be fun, lol  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 05:16:06 PM
Now I need to run to the store, will be right back  ::MonkeyCool::

please take your car, it's much faster and they may need you again.
dennisintn

have to tell these people everything
::MonkeyHaHa::


Klaas's trips to to the store are so quick -- I always assumed she had to live above it!! ::MonkeyEek::

Wreck...very funny....LMAO...Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 05:19:06 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







lol, those blurbs are written and furnished by the person the article is about.  that her prison work was so highly appreciated is gielen's own perception of the work, not anyone else's. 
dennisintn
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They use this camera  for their important documentaries  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/gnion3.gif?t=1212094736)

i give 25 euro for the whole equipment  ::MonkeyWaa::

::MonkeyLaugh::

Damn...sorry to tell you this...I saw it on EBAY for 5 EUROS......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 29, 2008, 05:29:08 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







lol, those blurbs are written and furnished by the person the article is about.  that her prison work was so highly appreciated is gielen's own perception of the work, not anyone else's. 
dennisintn
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They use this camera  for their important documentaries  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/gnion3.gif?t=1212094736)

i give 25 euro for the whole equipment  ::MonkeyWaa::

::MonkeyLaugh::

Damn...sorry to tell you this...I saw it on EBAY for 5 EUROS......


ha ha  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 29, 2008, 05:34:14 PM
Anyone know where we can find Renee Gielen's important documentaries on the Bon Futuro Prison?  You know, the work she is most known for. I can't find them, or mention of this work by anyone.  Surely there is some where they can be viewed, or at least some critical acclaim.  I can't find one word about these important documentaries.

Can anyone point me to this important work?  I certainly can find lots of information from others regarding Bon Futuro, but not Renee Gielen. 

Perhaps her important work is out there and she is not getting proper credit for it?  It shouldn't be so difficult to find. 







lol, those blurbs are written and furnished by the person the article is about.  that her prison work was so highly appreciated is gielen's own perception of the work, not anyone else's. 
dennisintn
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They use this camera  for their important documentaries  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/gnion3.gif?t=1212094736)

i give 25 euro for the whole equipment  ::MonkeyWaa::

::MonkeyLaugh::

Damn...sorry to tell you this...I saw it on EBAY for 5 EUROS......

I guess we can look forward to Renee's CROCK-umentary about Natalee's family, filmed with Renee's HANDI-CAM.  (Hold on while I turn the tape over, OK, ACTION!)

I did enjoy a great documentary today by Carpe.  For those who have not had the pleasure, you can see it here:

BOYCOTT ARUBA AND RUN AWAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoHcfXzXlZY

I really love it because it stars MY FAVORITE..........
SWEATY RUNNING MAN! 

Carpe just keeps on loving Natalee!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 07:27:44 PM


I really love it because it stars MY FAVORITE..........
SWEATY RUNNING MAN! 

Carpe just keeps on loving Natalee!



[/quote]

he does that, for sure.  she's more than worth it.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 29, 2008, 07:53:40 PM
American Airlines reduces NY-Caribbean flights
The airline will eliminate flights between Newark and San Juan, and plans to reduce service to Aruba, Bermuda, Santo Domingo and Santiago.



May 29. 2008 12:46PM Kira Bindrim

 Buck Ennis
 Just ahead of the Puerto Rican primary next week, American Airlines on Thursday said it will discontinue flights between Newark and San Juan, and reduce service to several other Caribbean locations.

The airline will cut flights to Aruba to four per week, down from seven. ::MonkeyDance:: It will also begin offering just one daily flight to Bermuda, down from three. American will reduce flights to Santo Domingo and Santiago in the Dominican Republic to once daily, down from twice. Flights to St. Lucia will be canceled between September and October but will resume in November.

The cuts come less than a week after Fort Worth, Texas-based American outlined a plan to cut costs in the face of skyrocketing fuel prices. The company said it would cut domestic capacity by 11%, eliminate 85 aircraft from its fleet and lay off thousands of employees by the fourth quarter. On Wednesday, American also announced plans to cease flights between New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport and London’s Stansted Airport, less than a year after launching the route.

American will continue to offer four flights between JFK and San Juan, but other destinations seem to be ceded in part to rival JetBlue Airways Corp., which launched service from JFK to St. Lucia and the Dominican Republic in 2004.

Still, even Queens-based JetBlue is facing the crunch. Shares of the discount carrier hit an all-time low Wednesday after JetBlue said it will slow the growth of its fleet and delayed purchasing 21 Airbus jetliners for five years.

crainsnewyork.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080529/FREE/223891264/1052




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: msmarple on May 29, 2008, 08:07:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/    May 28 2008

Letter to the Netherlands about the admission of investigation method

ORANJESTAD – With declaring the OM admissible in the Domino-case, Aruba has opened the door for all sorts of ‘subsequent legitimized investigation techniques’, writes the human rights organization Rainbow Warriors in a letter to four Lower House committees in the Netherlands, objecting this state of affairs.

“The judge self has indicated that there is no legal basis for the use of OVC-methods (recording confidential communication, red.), like the Netherlands has”, said spokesperson Milton Ponson.

According to Rainbow Warriors, after September 11, 2001, the American Civil Liberties Union in the United States has been complaining for years against “illegal methods used against unsuspecting citizens and afterwards not dismissed by the courts for the supply of evidence”.

Rainbow Warriors wonder whether double standards are ‘officially’ being applied in the Dutch Royal Kingdom, because the EVRM (European Treaty for the Human Rights) and other treaties (that protects the privacy of the citizens, red.) also apply in Aruba.

The organization wonders what to expect after this: “(…) in custody without reason; unauthorized telephone tabs by Setar personnel – something that Diario claims and also we have the suspicion that this happens big time for quite some time already – (…); and the hacking of PCs and laptops of citizens in Aruba?”

Rainbow Warriors also criticizes the fact that there is still no privacy legislation in Aruba that protects the personal data of citizens.  The government announced in December of 2006 that in cooperation with the Neth.Antilles, Aruba is working on a privacy law, which is to this day not yet ready.  The OM acknowledged earlier in this paper that investigation methods are being used that are legally not laid down by law yet.  However, this takes place “open and transparent”, said chief public prosecutor Hans Mos at that time.  But laying down methods by law takes a long time, which limits justice in combating criminality.  These methods are being used in the Netherlands and other countries with a comparable legal system.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 08:20:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/    May 28 2008

Letter to the Netherlands about the admission of investigation method

ORANJESTAD – With declaring the OM admissible in the Domino-case, Aruba has opened the door for all sorts of ‘subsequent legitimized investigation techniques’, writes the human rights organization Rainbow Warriors in a letter to four Lower House committees in the Netherlands, objecting this state of affairs.

“The judge self has indicated that there is no legal basis for the use of OVC-methods (recording confidential communication, red.), like the Netherlands has”, said spokesperson Milton Ponson.

According to Rainbow Warriors, after September 11, 2001, the American Civil Liberties Union in the United States has been complaining for years against “illegal methods used against unsuspecting citizens and afterwards not dismissed by the courts for the supply of evidence”.

Rainbow Warriors wonder whether double standards are ‘officially’ being applied in the Dutch Royal Kingdom, because the EVRM (European Treaty for the Human Rights) and other treaties (that protects the privacy of the citizens, red.) also apply in Aruba.

The organization wonders what to expect after this: “(…) in custody without reason; unauthorized telephone tabs by Setar personnel – something that Diario claims and also we have the suspicion that this happens big time for quite some time already – (…); and the hacking of PCs and laptops of citizens in Aruba?”

Rainbow Warriors also criticizes the fact that there is still no privacy legislation in Aruba that protects the personal data of citizens.  The government announced in December of 2006 that in cooperation with the Neth.Antilles, Aruba is working on a privacy law, which is to this day not yet ready.  The OM acknowledged earlier in this paper that investigation methods are being used that are legally not laid down by law yet.  However, this takes place “open and transparent”, said chief public prosecutor Hans Mos at that time.  But laying down methods by law takes a long time, which limits justice in combating criminality.  These methods are being used in the Netherlands and other countries with a comparable legal system.


it's a damned shame the a.c.l.u. and rainbow warriors, and other like organizations can't devote their time and energy to protecting the innocent and defenseless people in the world instead of worrying about working to make l.e.'s job tougher than it all ready is.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 29, 2008, 08:30:13 PM
The "CUSS Program" in Aruba (this is for real) ~

Quote
Aruba is the first in the Caribbean that has Self Service Check-In” at the airport

Airlines     May 29th, 2008

AAA N.V. is proud to announce that now KLM and Martinair passengers can use the Common Use Self Service (CUSS) check-in kiosks to check in and print their own boarding passes.

AAA N.V.’s CUSS program is open to all airlines whose check in software is compatible with AAA N.V.’s CUSS kiosks. KLM and Martinair are the first that have signed up and AAA has placed four CUSS check-in kiosks in the Non-US check-in area. AAA N.V. expects to install similar kiosks in the US Check-in area as well. Several major US airlines are very interested to offer their passengers this service. When the first US airline will sign up, AAA N.V. will start a pilot with a limited number of hotels, placing these Self Service Check-In kiosks in the lobbies of these hotels, improving the airport product upon departure and reducing queuing time at the airport.
(snip)

http://www.aruba.com/news/airlines/aruba-is-the-first-in-the-caribbean-that-has-self-service-check-in%E2%80%9D-at-the-airport/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 29, 2008, 08:45:03 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 09:06:25 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?

thank you for bringing this over.  i'm waiting now for my registration to be accepted to i can have a word for the edited  to gentleman.  i hope others of you will do the same.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 09:21:33 PM
What about the ample evidence that A.L.E. & Hans Mos are in posession of,
proving that the three Aruban gang-raping maggots were actively hunting and
stalking American teen females for rape... (electronic data)  but these pigs refuse to release it to anyone to this day?


Hmmmm.... Dr. Maglio?

I just love these people who think they know everything...
when in REALITY... they know less than the dimmest of
dim light-bulbs, Mother Kalpoe, for instance.

How about a nice hot cup of STFU, sir? Your mouthwash seems to have expired.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 09:31:55 PM
Set him straight, Dennis!


ARUBA dug their on hole. They did it with lies, harassment of Natalee's family, and deceit.

This is why they cannot win for losin'.

This is why we stick it to them day after day.


...and there's more comin' tomorrow. Break out the Joran Vandersloot special helmets,

and dig your foxholes deep, fellas. You all have worked very hard for this!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 09:47:51 PM
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/trtrerertretdgfgddg.png)




 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 10:16:02 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 10:24:07 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/
::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 29, 2008, 10:37:53 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/
::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Well done Destiny and all that helped! Thank you Jossy! Is there a hero among the Aruban people? Now is the time to reveal yourself!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 10:40:05 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 29, 2008, 10:42:48 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?

I was just about to post the same thing, Klaas! We both use deodorant and brush our teeth, so why us???  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 29, 2008, 10:43:48 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?

I was able to read the article but now it says the same thing as you Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 10:44:18 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?
The first time I clicked the link -- it went straight through. I clicked on the "next page" button and got the "need to log-in" page.
Now, I get the "need to log-in" all the time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 29, 2008, 10:46:00 PM
Good Luck trying to register! When I submitted my info, it said I need to log in first!  ::MonkeyConfused::

Can someone just bring it here?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 10:48:24 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/
::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCool::

Darn...now I can't find it again...I think they are still updating for Friday...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 10:48:25 PM
I registered but still get the message not authorized to view.  My guess is they have temporarily removed it or maybe just added it to show Destiny.

Or, as Destiny just indicated, they may still be updating the site.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 29, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/diario1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 10:50:22 PM
I got to see it right before they yanked it. IT'S PERFECT!


I also blasted the link out to Greta On the Record with a letter.

I hope they put that exact link back online soon.


Congrats all! Job well done.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 29, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
I was able to access a little more by going through my search engine and putting in Diario Aruba Newspaper. There's a pic of Jossy and an article entitled, "Cua Status Aparte?" under the "Local" tab.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?

I was just about to post the same thing, Klaas! We both use deodorant and brush our teeth, so why us???  ::MonkeyHaHa::

CBB...we have to use deodorant...and brush our teeth?...nobody told me...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 10:53:35 PM
I registered but still get the message not authorized to view.  My guess is they have temporarily removed it or maybe just added it to show Destiny.

Or, as Destiny just indicated, they may still be updating the site.

My guess...updating site...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 29, 2008, 10:54:51 PM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?

I was just about to post the same thing, Klaas! We both use deodorant and brush our teeth, so why us???  ::MonkeyHaHa::

CBB...we have to use deodorant...and brush our teeth?...nobody told me...

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Yep; once a month, whether we need it or not!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 29, 2008, 10:57:02 PM
Thanks, ******* for bringing it here! And thanks to all who were involved! Great job!

I love the lay-out!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 29, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?



Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 29, 2008, 11:04:59 PM
Thanks, ******* for bringing it here! And thanks to all who were involved! Great job!

I love the lay-out!


Ditto to that! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:14:02 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?



Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::



To:    widerhorizon@bellsouth.net


Dear Dr. Maglio,

Sir, what about the ample evidence that Aruba currently possesses, and has been
viciously hanging on to, (electronic records) that demonstrate that Joran Vandersloot
and the Kalpoes were actively targeting American females for the purpose of rape?

Do you not think that has just a little something to do with why Aruba is getting the eternal shaft?

What if Natalee Holloway was your daughter, sir?

What if at every move you tried to uncover information on exactly how she died, you
were blocked by Arubian justice officials. Why do they need to lie, sir? Why do they continue to lie about case facts even today?

Why will they not put Joran in jail after he admitted on Dutch TV and ABC-TV that
he simply threw Natalee Holloway away not knowing if she was alive or dead?

Don't ya think that may have just a little accounting for what Aruba is currently doing to itself?

Look, you seem to have all the credentials of being a very smart man. People just don't hand out PHD's for cutting out and mailing in cereal box tops. However, I am scratching my head after your misinformed Aruba article!

There are many more facts that have been uncovered and not reported by the media. I think you need to fully look into those before you write another article.

A good website to look into would be www.scaredmonkeys.net. They are EXTREMELY devoted to this case and uncovering what happened to Natalee Holloway. They have uncovered a mountain of information about this case, and other criminal corruption activities going on in Aruba.


All is not what it appears to be in Aruba. They are as rotten
as a dumpster apple with a dirty worm in it!

Aruban "Officials" K-N-O-W this stuff is going on, they just DO NOT CARE.

I have a big problem with that! Do you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 11:19:02 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?



Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

I registered and posted my comment...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:20:16 PM
I do hope Dr. Maglio does not turn out to be a whole butt. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 29, 2008, 11:22:22 PM
Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 11:24:34 PM
I do hope Dr. Magill does not turn out to be a whole butt. ::MonkeyWink::
why does the name "Dr. Maglio" conjure up images of one of Sgt. Schultz's colleagues?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 11:26:23 PM
I do hope Dr. Magill does not turn out to be a whole butt. ::MonkeyWink::
why does the name "Dr. Maglio" conjure up images of one of Sgt. Schultz's colleagues?
Nazi war criminal?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:29:28 PM
Are you referring to the I HEEEEEAR NOTHING.... I SEE
NOOOOOOTHING!  Schultz lines, Wreck? LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 11:29:31 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?



Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::



To:    widerhorizon@bellsouth.net


Dear Dr. Maglio,

Sir, what about the ample evidence that Aruba currently possesses, and has been
viciously hanging on to, (electronic records) that demonstrate that Joran Vandersloot
and the Kalpoes were actively targeting American females for the purpose of rape?

Do you not think that has just a little something to do with why Aruba is getting the eternal shaft?

What if Natalee Holloway was your daughter, sir?

What if at every move you tried to uncover information on exactly how she died, you
were blocked by Arubian justice officials. Why do they need to lie, sir? Why do they continue to lie about case facts even today?

Why will they not put Joran in jail after he admitted on Dutch TV and ABC-TV that
he simply threw Natalee Holloway away not knowing if she was alive or dead?

Don't ya think that may have just a little accounting for what Aruba is currently doing to itself?

Look, you seem to have all the credentials of being a very smart man. People just don't hand out PHD's for cutting out and mailing in cereal box tops. However, I am scratching my head after your misinformed Aruba article!

There are many more facts that have been uncovered and not reported by the media. I think you need to fully look into those before you write another article.

A good website to look into would be www.scaredmonkeys.net. They are EXTREMELY devoted to this case and uncovering what happened to Natalee Holloway. They have uncovered a mountain of information about this case, and other criminal corruption activities going on in Aruba.


All is not what it appears to be in Aruba. They are as rotten
as a dumpster apple with a dirty worm in it!

Aruban "Officials" K-N-O-W this stuff is going on, they just DO NOT CARE.

I have a big problem with that! Do you?


Standing Ovation for Carpe!!!!  Well Done!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 11:30:21 PM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?



Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::



To:    widerhorizon@bellsouth.net


Dear Dr. Maglio,

Sir, what about the ample evidence that Aruba currently possesses, and has been
viciously hanging on to, (electronic records) that demonstrate that Joran Vandersloot
and the Kalpoes were actively targeting American females for the purpose of rape?

Do you not think that has just a little something to do with why Aruba is getting the eternal shaft?

What if Natalee Holloway was your daughter, sir?

What if at every move you tried to uncover information on exactly how she died, you
were blocked by Arubian justice officials. Why do they need to lie, sir? Why do they continue to lie about case facts even today?

Why will they not put Joran in jail after he admitted on Dutch TV and ABC-TV that
he simply threw Natalee Holloway away not knowing if she was alive or dead?

Don't ya think that may have just a little accounting for what Aruba is currently doing to itself?

Look, you seem to have all the credentials of being a very smart man. People just don't hand out PHD's for cutting out and mailing in cereal box tops. However, I am scratching my head after your misinformed Aruba article!

There are many more facts that have been uncovered and not reported by the media. I think you need to fully look into those before you write another article.

A good website to look into would be www.scaredmonkeys.net. They are EXTREMELY devoted to this case and uncovering what happened to Natalee Holloway. They have uncovered a mountain of information about this case, and other criminal corruption activities going on in Aruba.


All is not what it appears to be in Aruba. They are as rotten
as a dumpster apple with a dirty worm in it!

Aruban "Officials" K-N-O-W this stuff is going on, they just DO NOT CARE.

I have a big problem with that! Do you?

great job, carpe.  mine wasn't that good, but the best i could do as angry as i was.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 11:31:38 PM
I do hope Dr. Maglio does not turn out to be a whole butt. ::MonkeyWink::

Carpe...loved your letter to the Whole Butt....

Dennisten...your comment on the Butt's site was most excellent!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
hey, thank you dennis!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 11:34:35 PM
Are you referring to the I HEEEEEAR NOTHING.... I SEE
NOOOOOOTHING!  Schultz lines, Wreck? LOL
Actually, I LIKE Sgt. Schulutz!!! Dr. Maglio just sounds like a Nazi to me!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 29, 2008, 11:35:25 PM
Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.

Who cares?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 29, 2008, 11:39:17 PM
Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.

Who cares?  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 29, 2008, 11:40:43 PM
Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.

Who cares?  ::MonkeyCool::
Are these the actual original band members ............. or their grand children????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:41:35 PM
ty, Des. 

Maglio probably has a condo that he can't sell, and his sphinc is all in a puck!

Tough noogies, dude.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:43:39 PM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.

roflmao, oh yes, i have the choice of spending $20.00 at k-tel for everything all of them ever recorded or flying 2,000 miles in a sewer pipe and then fighting off pickpockets, drug dealers, and slapping the hell out of anyone who says anything off color about natalee and then wading around with the mosquitos, dengue fever, sandfleas, and drunks to listen to them from half a mile away while surrounded by screaming drunks.
decisions, decisions, there's just never an end to them.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:00:02 AM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.

Just pay shipping and handeling...we'll send a new CD, each and every month...for only shipping and handeling....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 12:01:09 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:01:56 AM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.

roflmao, oh yes, i have the choice of spending $20.00 at k-tel for everything all of them ever recorded or flying 2,000 miles in a sewer pipe and then fighting off pickpockets, drug dealers, and slapping the hell out of anyone who says anything off color about natalee and then wading around with the mosquitos, dengue fever, sandfleas, and drunks to listen to them from half a mile away while surrounded by screaming drunks.
decisions, decisions, there's just never an end to them.
dennisintn

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha....oops wet me panties....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2008, 12:05:35 AM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.

roflmao, oh yes, i have the choice of spending $20.00 at k-tel for everything all of them ever recorded or flying 2,000 miles in a sewer pipe and then fighting off pickpockets, drug dealers, and slapping the hell out of anyone who says anything off color about natalee and then wading around with the mosquitos, dengue fever, sandfleas, and drunks to listen to them from half a mile away while surrounded by screaming drunks.
decisions, decisions, there's just never an end to them.
dennisintn

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha....oops wet me panties....

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:08:02 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 12:11:29 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

Now we have to get someone to SCAN the hard copy paper article and send to us (if it's in the hard copy).

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/NataleeLetterDiario.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2008, 12:11:48 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
I never did have any luck registering, I'm blocked now! It says to contact administrator but I don't see how to do that!  ::MonkeyHaHa:: But I got to see the article, and it's wonderful! 

Destiny, please thank them from the momma in Texas next time you talk to them and I won't worry about trying to work out the login problem!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2008, 12:13:41 AM
Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.

Who cares?  ::MonkeyCool::

This is when you know your career is down the tubes when you do a Music Festival in Aruba  ::MonkeyRoll:: .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2008, 12:14:53 AM
Klaas,
I sent an email yesterday and asked a friend to be sure to pick up a copy of tomorrow's issue, haven't heard back but hopefully he got the message; and will scan it for us!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:14:57 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

Now we have to get someone to SCAN the hard copy paper article and send to us (if it's in the hard copy).

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/NataleeLetterDiario.jpg)

Was told it would be in hard copy in Pap...and English...is there a Monkey in Aruba...can you get a paper or two for us....pretty Please with Chocolate on top....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 12:15:09 AM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.

roflmao, oh yes, i have the choice of spending $20.00 at k-tel for everything all of them ever recorded or flying 2,000 miles in a sewer pipe and then fighting off pickpockets, drug dealers, and slapping the hell out of anyone who says anything off color about natalee and then wading around with the mosquitos, dengue fever, sandfleas, and drunks to listen to them from half a mile away while surrounded by screaming drunks.
decisions, decisions, there's just never an end to them.
dennisintn

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha....oops wet me panties....

lol, poor baby.  that was a great job on the ad, and a really neat comment on the fool's article.  elegant, eloquent, and succinct.  damn, i wish i could do that.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2008, 12:16:19 AM
Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.

Who cares?  ::MonkeyCool::

This is when you know your career is down the tubes when you do a Music Festival in Aruba  ::MonkeyRoll:: .
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 12:16:46 AM
Klaas,
I sent an email yesterday and asked a friend to be sure to pick up a copy of tomorrow's issue, haven't heard back but hopefully he got the message; and will scan it for us!

 ::MonkeyCool::

Great!  Thanks Texasmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:17:43 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:19:51 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 12:21:46 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?

I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 12:23:08 AM
2009 ARUBA, Get READY...


Herbie Hancock, Sugarhill Gang, and Gary Numan...


all LIVE IN ARUBA!!!!


Book today... Celebrity Guest: Elvira - Mistress of the Dark

is standing by (in a walker) to take your calls.

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 30, 2008, 12:25:00 AM
2009 ARUBA, Get READY...


Herbie Hancock, Sugarhill Gang, and Gary Numan...


all LIVE IN ARUBA!!!!


Book today... Celebrity Guest: Elvira - Mistress of the Dark

is standing by (in a walker) to take your calls.

::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 12:26:24 AM
2009 ARUBA, Get READY...


Herbie Hancock, Sugarhill Gang, and Gary Numan...


all LIVE IN ARUBA!!!!


Book today... Celebrity Guest: Elvira - Mistress of the Dark

is standing by (in a walker) to take your calls.

::MonkeyCool::

You're on a Roll Carpe!!!!....ROFLMFAO...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 12:44:15 AM
2009 ARUBA, Get READY...


Herbie Hancock, Sugarhill Gang, and Gary Numan...


all LIVE IN ARUBA!!!!


Book today... Celebrity Guest: Elvira - Mistress of the Dark

is standing by (in a walker) to take your calls.

::MonkeyCool::

lol, wait till they bring elvis back.  didn't you post a comment at that paper?
if you didn't post what i read a minute ago, please do it, it was fine.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 12:54:28 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

you guys...errr girls!! lol ROCK!!!!
What a fantastic job you did!!!
So, so proud of you!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 12:59:04 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?

I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it  ::MonkeyWink::

Chunkie rat, and one of his side kicks has been alluding to a comeback. Supposedly they are going to post in the "other paper" some of the angry posts that have been made towards Aruba to counter our Diario page. Did anyone else pick up on that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 30, 2008, 01:01:13 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:03:27 AM
I've never seen this site before -

Quote
Embarrassing Ourselves In The Eyes Of The World
By DOMENICK J. MAGLIO
Neo Traditionalist

(snip)
We have punished Aruba for the "Natalie Holloway" debacle. We now know a token four chaperones were given the responsibility of supervising over 100 American high school seniors. Natalie Holloway was allegedly drunk and drugged the night she was last seen with three young Aruba men. There is ample evidence that the partying was voluntary.

There are people in all nations and social classes who will take advantage of a vulnerable person. Predators are waiting in the wings for these young girls. They are merely doing what they do best: prey on others. It is the parent's responsibility to keep their children's behavior under control and to let them know that evil is waiting for any person who loses his faculties or is in an altered state.

Natalie's parents and stepparents, with the help of the media, put the government of the small Caribbean island on trial for several years. America's power has devastatingly harmed Aruba's tourism by painting their judicial system as corrupt and incompetent. It may well be, although the root of the problem is our cultural naiveté of human behavior. Drunken boys do obnoxious things that often end in brawls. Young "loose" appearing girls are going to be sexually harassed by high testosterone boys and men in any culture.
(snip)

...Ignoring evil does not magically make it disappear.

(snip)

Americans are not inherently better or worse than other people from other nations. The majority of Americans who choose morally responsible lifestyles create safe and respectful environments. We must recognize that others live an undisciplined or even criminal lifestyle. We need to make our children aware that their stupid actions attract dangerous people who can harm them.
(snip)

Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D., is the author of "Invasion Within" and "Essential Parenting." He is a psychotherapist and the owner/director of Wider Horizons School. Visit: www.drmaglio.com.
http://www2.hernandotoday.com/content/2008/may/29/embarrassing-ourselves-eyes-world/

I wonder if Maglio had words for the drunken males (young and old) he writes about?  What of them?



Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

I registered and posted my comment...

That is so wrong!! Give the guys a pass for harming, violating and /or raping and murdering a young girl because she was drinking???!!! Are you kidding me???!!! Just set us back about 30 years with this article!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:04:29 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?

I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it  ::MonkeyWink::

Chunkie rat, and one of his side kicks has been alluding to a comeback. Supposedly they are going to post in the "other paper" some of the angry posts that have been made towards Aruba to counter our Diario page. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Screw Chuckie...he's just got his widdle rat..tidy-whities in a wad..

He can't stand to see anything that even resembles compassion for Beth...all of Natalee's Family...he must be such a miserable empty person...to be filled with so much hate and venom....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:06:06 AM
Diario on-line

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

I get a message "you are not authorized to view this source"?

I was just about to post the same thing, Klaas! We both use deodorant and brush our teeth, so why us???  ::MonkeyHaHa::

roflmao!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 01:06:50 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:07:46 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?

I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it  ::MonkeyWink::

Chunkie rat, and one of his side kicks has been alluding to a comeback. Supposedly they are going to post in the "other paper" some of the angry posts that have been made towards Aruba to counter our Diario page. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Screw Chuckie...he's just got his widdle rat..tidy-whities in a wad..

He can't stand to see anything that even resembles compassion for Beth...all of Natalee's Family...he must be such a miserable empty person...to be filled with so much hate and venom....


I agree!!! think we just have to be careful of what we post. Your article in Diario is going to draw new readers I am sure from Aruba. Have to make them feel welcome!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 30, 2008, 01:08:10 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?

I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it  ::MonkeyWink::

Chunkie rat, and one of his side kicks has been alluding to a comeback. Supposedly they are going to post in the "other paper" some of the angry posts that have been made towards Aruba to counter our Diario page. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Screw Chuckie...he's just got his widdle rat..tidy-whities in a wad..

He can't stand to see anything that even resembles compassion for Beth...all of Natalee's Family...he must be such a miserable empty person...to be filled with so much hate and venom....


plaster this also page 2 diario K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE BY CELL TOWER PHOTOS DIDNT COPY BUT LOOKS JUST LIKE JORANS SNEAKERS!
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Quote from: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:43:39 PM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.


roflmao, oh yes, i have the choice of spending $20.00 at k-tel for everything all of them ever recorded or flying 2,000 miles in a sewer pipe and then fighting off pickpockets, drug dealers, and slapping the hell out of anyone who says anything off color about natalee and then wading around with the mosquitos, dengue fever, sandfleas, and drunks to listen to them from half a mile away while surrounded by screaming drunks.
decisions, decisions, there's just never an end to them.
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Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha....oops wet me panties....


     
 
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OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!
 
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OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!


Now we have to get someone to SCAN the hard copy paper article and send to us (if it's in the hard copy).

 
 
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http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


   
I never did have any luck registering, I'm blocked now! It says to contact administrator but I don't see how to do that!   But I got to see the article, and it's wonderful! 

Destiny, please thank them from the momma in Texas next time you talk to them and I won't worry about trying to work out the login problem!

 
 
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Gloria Estefan and Reo Speedwagon have signed on for the 2008 Aruba Music Festival in October.


Who cares? 


This is when you know your career is down the tubes when you do a Music Festival in Aruba   .
 
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I sent an email yesterday and asked a friend to be sure to pick up a copy of tomorrow's issue, haven't heard back but hopefully he got the message; and will scan it for us!

 
 
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Quote from: klaasend on Today at 12:01:09 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!


Now we have to get someone to SCAN the hard copy paper article and send to us (if it's in the hard copy).




Was told it would be in hard copy in Pap...and English...is there a Monkey in Aruba...can you get a paper or two for us....pretty Please with Chocolate on top....
 
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Quote from: dennisintn on May 29, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
Quote from: carpe noctem on May 29, 2008, 11:43:39 PM
They sure love those eighties groups!

Lionel Richie, REO, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine...


It's like K-TEL'S Greatest Hits down there.


roflmao, oh yes, i have the choice of spending $20.00 at k-tel for everything all of them ever recorded or flying 2,000 miles in a sewer pipe and then fighting off pickpockets, drug dealers, and slapping the hell out of anyone who says anything off color about natalee and then wading around with the mosquitos, dengue fever, sandfleas, and drunks to listen to them from half a mile away while surrounded by screaming drunks.
decisions, decisions, there's just never an end to them.
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Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha....oops wet me panties....


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Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?


I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it   
 
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OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!


you guys...errr girls!! lol ROCK!!!!
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Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?


I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it 


Chunkie rat, and one of his side kicks has been alluding to a comeback. Supposedly they are going to post in the "other paper" some of the angry posts that have been made towards Aruba to counter our Diario page. Did anyone else pick up on that?
 
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OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/


Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!


lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
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KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 01:08:25 AM
good that your letter went up in the paper  ::cartwheel::

i hope many read it.


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Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:09:10 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:10:18 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:11:52 AM
The rats have already started *vomiting* at Maglio's site...knew it was just a matter of time....Dennis...great Reply to Aruba....

Posted by ( Aruba ) on May 29, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. ( Suggest removal  )

Thank you DOMENICK.

I agree that Natalee's mother should have thought twice before tossing her child into a bed of sharks... What a preventable shame and loss on her part. So far, Natalee is the only missing unsolvable teen missing from Aruba, hopefully parents will think twice about sending their children, who are not even old enough to drink in their own country, on an all-inclusive prepaid drinking trip to another country where it is allowed. And to top it off, without adult supervision or even a buddy system in place.

Odd how they blame the Aruban Athorities, when it was her friends and chaperones who fled the island before reporting her missing to the Police.


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Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:14:53 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 30, 2008, 01:16:51 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

YES it says FOund at lighthouse, Pair of kswiss size large found at the base of the cell tower of digicell by someone unnamed who found them and remembered that in the missing N.H. case there was something about search for K Swiss sneakers.  Diario was very much surprised about the found sneakers, as they thought that this area had been previously searched.   

I hope it was sent for forensic tests.  But they also look so clean for being out exposed to the elements for the past 3 years ?  Anyone else think so also?  Is this a joke or are they really JOrans.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:19:26 AM
The rats have already started *vomiting* at Maglio's site...knew it was just a matter of time....Dennis...great Reply to Aruba....

Posted by ( Aruba ) on May 29, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. ( Suggest removal  )

Thank you DOMENICK.

I agree that Natalee's mother should have thought twice before tossing her child into a bed of sharks... What a preventable shame and loss on her part. So far, Natalee is the only missing unsolvable teen missing from Aruba, hopefully parents will think twice about sending their children, who are not even old enough to drink in their own country, on an all-inclusive prepaid drinking trip to another country where it is allowed. And to top it off, without adult supervision or even a buddy system in place.

Odd how they blame the Aruban Athorities, when it was her friends and chaperones who fled the island before reporting her missing to the Police.


my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 30, 2008, 01:20:06 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:20:47 AM
keds k-swiss achieve at light house

 friday, 30 may 2008 oranjestad (aan)

: behind tierra del sol close of the mastnan of cellular cu have daily paper owing to achieve notificacion of one keds very sospechoso throw in the barancanan. caminda this was seems cu hendenan do not arrive. still can corda con time of the caso of natalee holloway cu just owing to accomplish three year was talk of keds size big cu posiblemente joran van der sloot owing to lose or owing to less throw afor. the keds here is of mark k-swiss. some person cu owing to notifica daily paper of the asunto here owing to stay sorprendi of see the keds. assure esnan cu owing to follow the caso of close is corda the famous keds. berdad daily paper owing to succeed achieve photograph also of the keds cual next day autoridad cu was investiga the caso of the young americano perdi owing to bay busca also on the barancanan pazuid of the mastnan of antenna of setar y digicel cu have at light house. this is the photograph of the keds. come across

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:21:52 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

YES it says FOund at lighthouse, Pair of kswiss size large found at the base of the cell tower of digicell by someone unnamed who found them and remembered that in the missing N.H. case there was something about search for K Swiss sneakers.  Diario was very much surprised about the found sneakers, as they thought that this area had been previously searched.   

I hope it was sent for forensic tests.  But they also look so clean for being out exposed to the elements for the past 3 years ?  Anyone else think so also?  Is this a joke or are they really JOrans.

wild...they do look too clean. Maybe someone found them there a long time ago and is just now putting them back? I am sure we are going to get a lot of pranksters..just like Beth Jug and Dave did when they first hit the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 01:22:10 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

YES it says FOund at lighthouse, Pair of kswiss size large found at the base of the cell tower of digicell by someone unnamed who found them and remembered that in the missing N.H. case there was something about search for K Swiss sneakers.  Diario was very much surprised about the found sneakers, as they thought that this area had been previously searched.   

I hope it was sent for forensic tests.  But they also look so clean for being out exposed to the elements for the past 3 years ?  Anyone else think so also?  Is this a joke or are they really JOrans.

they look also to me a bit too clean.

but it is a good thing that someone remembered that K-Swiss shoes are connected to JvdS.
that shows that it is not forgotten on the island.

combine that with your letter appearing today in the paper.
maybe more people remember details now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:23:53 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Holy shit theres a condom in that photo also!  DNA evidence

good eye..there is a condom.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 01:24:40 AM
Is this a joke? Whats goin on here?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:25:35 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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good eye..there is a condom.


hmmm...could be a piece of an old plastic cup too.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 30, 2008, 01:28:19 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

YES it says FOund at lighthouse, Pair of kswiss size large found at the base of the cell tower of digicell by someone unnamed who found them and remembered that in the missing N.H. case there was something about search for K Swiss sneakers.  Diario was very much surprised about the found sneakers, as they thought that this area had been previously searched.   

I hope it was sent for forensic tests.  But they also look so clean for being out exposed to the elements for the past 3 years ?  Anyone else think so also?  Is this a joke or are they really JOrans.

they look also to me a bit too clean.

but it is a good thing that someone remembered that K-Swiss shoes are connected to JvdS.
that shows that it is not forgotten on the island.

combine that with your letter appearing today in the paper.
maybe more people remember details now.

Hope its not a prank.  is photo of 2 sneakers or one from different angle cause i cant tell if there is more than 1 used condom there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:29:11 AM
OK, it's back up now!!!  The Diario letter!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/9/

Klaas....we couldn't have done it without you....Thank You for all your time...effort...and hard work...Bless Ya Girl!

lokk what was found on page 2   K SWISS SNEAKERS FOUND AT LIGHTHOUSE!
 
   
 
 
Diahuebs, 29 May 2008

 
KEDS K-SWISS HAYA NA LIGHT HOUSE       
Friday, 30 May 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Patras di Tierra del Sol cerca di e mastnan di cellular cu tin DIARIO a haya notificacion di un keds masha sospechoso benta den e barancanan. Caminda esaki tabata parce cu hendenan no ta yega.

Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.

E keds aki ta di marca K-Swiss. Algun persona cu a notifica DIARIO di e asunto aki a keda sorprendi di mira e keds. Sigur esnan cu a sigui e caso di cerca ta corda e famoso keds.

Berdad DIARIO a logra haya foto tambe di e keds cual siguiente dia autoridad cu tabata investiga e caso di e hoben Americano perdi a bay busca tambe riba e barancanan pazuid di e mastnan di Antenna di Setar y Digicel cu tin na Light House. Esaki ta e foto di e keds.


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Holy shit theres a condom in that photo also!  DNA evidence

Thanks Sandy...I *hope*...that someone...who has been holding onto some evidence...placed it there, then called Diario...hoping really big time!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:30:22 AM
Sandy - one sneaker just two different pics of it from different angles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 30, 2008, 01:31:45 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

YES it says FOund at lighthouse, Pair of kswiss size large found at the base of the cell tower of digicell by someone unnamed who found them and remembered that in the missing N.H. case there was something about search for K Swiss sneakers.  Diario was very much surprised about the found sneakers, as they thought that this area had been previously searched.   

I hope it was sent for forensic tests.  But they also look so clean for being out exposed to the elements for the past 3 years ?  Anyone else think so also?  Is this a joke or are they really JOrans.

they look also to me a bit too clean.

but it is a good thing that someone remembered that K-Swiss shoes are connected to JvdS.
that shows that it is not forgotten on the island.

combine that with your letter appearing today in the paper.
maybe more people remember details now.

Hope its not a prank.  is photo of 2 sneakers or one from different angle cause i cant tell if there is more than 1 used condom there.


Just thinking out loud but it does seem to be 2 shoes top photo looks like right shoe with a condom on the upper side and the bottom shoe looks like a left foot with one condom at the bottom where it says swiss k logo is and the other to the top


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 01:32:05 AM
Sandy - one sneaker just two different pics of it from different angles.

Yes and I do not think that is a condom. Appears to be just a plastic cup cut in half. I can't tell if that is blood or just dirt/mud on the front of the shoes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:35:16 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

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Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

Great condition for 3 years????
keds k-swiss achieve at light house friday, 30 may 2008 oranjestad (aan): behind tierra del sol close of the mastnan of cellular cu have daily paper owing to achieve notificacion of one keds very sospechoso throw in the barancanan. caminda this was seems cu hendenan do not arrive. still can corda con time of the caso of natalee holloway cu just owing to accomplish three year was talk of keds size big cu posiblemente joran van der sloot owing to lose or owing to less throw afor. the keds here is of mark k-swiss. some person cu owing to notifica daily paper of the asunto here owing to stay sorprendi of see the keds. assure esnan cu owing to follow the caso of close is corda the famous keds. berdad daily paper owing to succeed achieve photograph also of the keds cual next day autoridad cu was investiga the caso of the young americano perdi owing to bay busca also on the barancanan pazuid of the mastnan of antenna of setar y digicel cu have at light house. this is the photograph of the keds. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:35:51 AM
Sandy - one sneaker just two different pics of it from different angles.

Yes and I do not think that is a condom. Appears to be just a plastic cup cut in half. I can't tell if that is blood or just dirt/mud on the front of the shoes.


could be either to me...maybe I am just too tired!!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:36:29 AM
Sandy - one sneaker just two different pics of it from different angles.

Yes and I do not think that is a condom. Appears to be just a plastic cup cut in half. I can't tell if that is blood or just dirt/mud on the front of the shoes.

I'm not sure what that is.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissDiario053008.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:37:09 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:37:41 AM
something about white K-Swiss shoes being found near the Lighthouse??

also something about a mobile phone signal? can't read it.

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/23d77abf4856cb468e66a3ada3a2b54f.jpg)
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/47f88b17c04debfe95cb172b3bf1784b.jpg)

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2767/30/

Quote
Ainda por corda con tempo di e caso di Natalee Holloway cu net a cumpli tres aña tabata papia di keds size grandi cu posiblemente Joran van der Sloot a perde of a kita benta afor.


really???!!! from today's paper??!!!

YES it says FOund at lighthouse, Pair of kswiss size large found at the base of the cell tower of digicell by someone unnamed who found them and remembered that in the missing N.H. case there was something about search for K Swiss sneakers.  Diario was very much surprised about the found sneakers, as they thought that this area had been previously searched.   

I hope it was sent for forensic tests.  But they also look so clean for being out exposed to the elements for the past 3 years ?  Anyone else think so also?  Is this a joke or are they really JOrans.

they look also to me a bit too clean.

but it is a good thing that someone remembered that K-Swiss shoes are connected to JvdS.
that shows that it is not forgotten on the island.

combine that with your letter appearing today in the paper.
maybe more people remember details now.

Hope its not a prank.  is photo of 2 sneakers or one from different angle cause i cant tell if there is more than 1 used condom there.


Just thinking out loud but it does seem to be 2 shoes top photo looks like right shoe with a condom on the upper side and the bottom shoe looks like a left foot with one condom at the bottom where it says swiss k logo is and the other to the top

I think it is one shoe...2 different angles. Gosh...if it really was THE shoe...and someone had found it 3 years ago and tucked it away...what a shame. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 01:38:12 AM
The rats have already started *vomiting* at Maglio's site...knew it was just a matter of time....Dennis...great Reply to Aruba....

Posted by ( Aruba ) on May 29, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. ( Suggest removal  )

Thank you DOMENICK.

I agree that Natalee's mother should have thought twice before tossing her child into a bed of sharks... What a preventable shame and loss on her part. So far, Natalee is the only missing unsolvable teen missing from Aruba, hopefully parents will think twice about sending their children, who are not even old enough to drink in their own country, on an all-inclusive prepaid drinking trip to another country where it is allowed. And to top it off, without adult supervision or even a buddy system in place.

Odd how they blame the Aruban Athorities, when it was her friends and chaperones who fled the island before reporting her missing to the Police.


my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:38:22 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL


Night Sweetie!!! Great job on the article!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:39:15 AM
The rats have already started *vomiting* at Maglio's site...knew it was just a matter of time....Dennis...great Reply to Aruba....

Posted by ( Aruba ) on May 29, 2008 at 11:59 p.m. ( Suggest removal  )

Thank you DOMENICK.

I agree that Natalee's mother should have thought twice before tossing her child into a bed of sharks... What a preventable shame and loss on her part. So far, Natalee is the only missing unsolvable teen missing from Aruba, hopefully parents will think twice about sending their children, who are not even old enough to drink in their own country, on an all-inclusive prepaid drinking trip to another country where it is allowed. And to top it off, without adult supervision or even a buddy system in place.

Odd how they blame the Aruban Athorities, when it was her friends and chaperones who fled the island before reporting her missing to the Police.


my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn

not yet. Think you said it all though!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:40:58 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL


Night Sweetie!!! Great job on the article!!!

Sweet Dreams Klaas....I think tomorrow is going to be very interesting...yep I do...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 01:42:24 AM
That shoe was obviously put there recently and I do not care,as long as though those are really Jorans shoes and they have forensic evidence on them. Appears these pics were taken in daylight and they were just posted now. There is no possible way they have been sitting there for 3 years and miraculously found on the same day Natalee dissapeared 3 years ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sirensong on May 30, 2008, 01:43:51 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::  There are two condoms!!  One on the top of the shoe, and one at the side.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:44:12 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL


Night Sweetie!!! Great job on the article!!!

Sweet Dreams Klaas....I think tomorrow is going to be very interesting...yep I do...

I am going nighty-night too!
Sweet dreams all!!
Destiny...you may have really opened things up!! Did I tell ya how proud I am of you...ok...one more time...YOU ROCK!!! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:45:24 AM
Sandy - one sneaker just two different pics of it from different angles.

Yes and I do not think that is a condom. Appears to be just a plastic cup cut in half. I can't tell if that is blood or just dirt/mud on the front of the shoes.

Yep *******...plastic cup...the kind you take a to-go drink from a bar/club in...it's one left shoe...did we ever know which *one* shoe the ALE said was in Joran's home....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:47:24 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL


Night Sweetie!!! Great job on the article!!!

Good Nite Idstlou...sending you Prayers for Serentiy....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 01:48:33 AM
Sandy - one sneaker just two different pics of it from different angles.

Yes and I do not think that is a condom. Appears to be just a plastic cup cut in half. I can't tell if that is blood or just dirt/mud on the front of the shoes.

I'm not sure what that is.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissDiario053008.jpg)

I don't know either but it appears to be transparent so probably not a leaf.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 01:48:45 AM
[

my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!
[/quote]

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn
[/quote]

not yet. Think you said it all though!!
[/quote]

i didn't say THAT, though. put part of the blame where it belongs. butthole was so good at blaming natalee and her family, let the damn hotels have their share of it.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:49:03 AM
GOODNIGHT ALL


Night Sweetie!!! Great job on the article!!!

Good Nite Idstlou...sending you Prayers for Serentiy....

thanks Sweetie...I think they are working!! Feel much better today. Will know a lot more tomorrow. I will keep you posted. Just keep praying for us!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 01:51:21 AM
Glenda at RU

Behind Tierra del Sol near the cellular station, Diario received information that a very suspicious tennis shoe was found in the area. This was a "way" area that people don't go (or can' get to).

Remember that the Natalee Holloway case will reach 3 years and the talk is the tennis shoe is a big size and possibly could be the one JvdS lost or threw away.

It's true Diario has a photo also of the tennis shoe that the Authorities were investigating in the case of the young missing American.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:54:02 AM
[

my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn
[/quote]

not yet. Think you said it all though!!
[/quote]

i didn't say THAT, though. put part of the blame where it belongs. butthole was so good at blaming natalee and her family, let the damn hotels have their share of it.
dennisintn
[/quote]


oops...thought you made a great post to the website...it was you right?!

I think the hotels should take on the liability. It's supposed to be an exclusive all inclusive hotel correct? Can't even keep out the underaged boys from their casinos...how are you going to keep our girls safe? They are just out for the $$...no matter how they make it or who they put into harms way. That they allow a crack addict...good old boeti...to live outside the grounds and drug dealers in to sell their "product"...just not the kind of hotel I am used to staying at...thats for sure!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 01:58:02 AM
[

my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn

not yet. Think you said it all though!!
[/quote]

i didn't say THAT, though. put part of the blame where it belongs. butthole was so good at blaming natalee and her family, let the damn hotels have their share of it.
dennisintn
[/quote]


oops...thought you made a great post to the website...it was you right?!

I think the hotels should take on the liability. It's supposed to be an exclusive all inclusive hotel correct? Can't even keep out the underaged boys from their casinos...how are you going to keep our girls safe? They are just out for the $$...no matter how they make it or who they put into harms way. That they allow a crack addict...good old boeti...to live outside the grounds and drug dealers in to sell their "product"...just not the kind of hotel I am used to staying at...thats for sure!!
[/quote]

yes, i'm guilty as charged.  post that post plus what you've said in this one.  every little bit of information that gets to the people who read it the better.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 01:59:48 AM
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my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn

not yet. Think you said it all though!!

i didn't say THAT, though. put part of the blame where it belongs. butthole was so good at blaming natalee and her family, let the damn hotels have their share of it.
dennisintn
[/quote]


oops...thought you made a great post to the website...it was you right?!

I think the hotels should take on the liability. It's supposed to be an exclusive all inclusive hotel correct? Can't even keep out the underaged boys from their casinos...how are you going to keep our girls safe? They are just out for the $$...no matter how they make it or who they put into harms way. That they allow a crack addict...good old boeti...to live outside the grounds and drug dealers in to sell their "product"...just not the kind of hotel I am used to staying at...thats for sure!!
[/quote]

yes, i'm guilty as charged.  post that post plus what you've said in this one.  every little bit of information that gets to the people who read it the better.
dennisintn
[/quote]

see y'all in the morning.  i've only got 4 hours now before i have to be up again.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 02:00:46 AM
[

my gosh...what kind of person writes this stuff??? How awful!!!
Blame the victim!!! Blame a young girl WHO WAS HANGING OUT SAFELY WITH HER FRIENDS!!! having a good time on a SUPPOSEDLY SAFE vacation they paid for!!! Are you out of your mind???!!! I don't get it!!! Keep the damned predators out of the all inclusive hotels and maybe the tourists would all go home alive. Let them run around like wolves amongst sheep and someone is going to get hurt...namely Natalee did.
What a-holes!!!

lol, idstlou, i really hope you posted this in the comments at that site.
dennisintn

not yet. Think you said it all though!!

i didn't say THAT, though. put part of the blame where it belongs. butthole was so good at blaming natalee and her family, let the damn hotels have their share of it.
dennisintn
[/quote]


oops...thought you made a great post to the website...it was you right?!

I think the hotels should take on the liability. It's supposed to be an exclusive all inclusive hotel correct? Can't even keep out the underaged boys from their casinos...how are you going to keep our girls safe? They are just out for the $$...no matter how they make it or who they put into harms way. That they allow a crack addict...good old boeti...to live outside the grounds and drug dealers in to sell their "product"...just not the kind of hotel I am used to staying at...thats for sure!!
[/quote]

yes, i'm guilty as charged.  post that post plus what you've said in this one.  every little bit of information that gets to the people who read it the better.
dennisintn
[/quote]


sorry Dennis...way past my bedtime!!! lol
You DID make the great post...and just hit me you were saying I was posting a different angle!!!!
I am ok...I think!!! lol
Great post!! I will send them my comments in the morn when I am awake!!! lol

Luv ya all!! Sweet dreams and good night for real this time!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 02:19:59 AM
sunday night the last Peter R. de Vries broadcast.
another subject and a recap of the season.
and some updates on ongoing cases.

in the fall a new broadcast season. with 8 broadcasts.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/programma/textprogramma010608-tot.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 02:22:32 AM
From the blog, translated:

Thursday, May 29th, 2008

Patrick live on TV at KRO good morning the Netherlands Friday morning is present Patrick round 8.35 live in the retransmission of good morning the Netherlands, with at him to table the film expert fin penny the clerk. The announcers Mirella van Markus and Sven Kockelman also talks between halfly 9 and 9 hours with him.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/patrick-live-op-tv-bij-kro-goedemorgen-nederland/

..........Hoping anyone able to watch might share with us.

Here is a TV link I found.  I don't if can be viewed from here or not.

http://www.tvchannelsfree.com/watch/3424/KRO-Opvoeden---Netherlands.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 02:36:15 AM
From the blog, translated:

Thursday, May 29th, 2008

Patrick live on TV at KRO good morning the Netherlands Friday morning is present Patrick round 8.35 live in the retransmission of good morning the Netherlands, with at him to table the film expert fin penny the clerk. The announcers Mirella van Markus and Sven Kockelman also talks between halfly 9 and 9 hours with him.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/patrick-live-op-tv-bij-kro-goedemorgen-nederland/

..........Hoping anyone able to watch might share with us.

Here is a TV link I found.  I don't if can be viewed from here or not.

http://www.tvchannelsfree.com/watch/3424/KRO-Opvoeden---Netherlands.html


most likely, you will be able to watch it here in a couple of hours:

http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=7132158


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 30, 2008, 03:47:04 AM
Rosa Maria Perez found unharmed.  Amber alert cancelled.  Please mark found.  Thanks.

God is good!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on May 30, 2008, 04:49:57 AM
I guess it's time for all of us to start *plastering* this link on every media site we can think of....do we have an already compiled list-o-links in the cage...

Klaas....do you think it could be posted on the Front Page of SM?

I'm SURE Red will post it.  I've sent it to him but haven't heard back yet.  If he doesn't post it in the morning I will.  I do have the ability to do front page posts, just don't often do it  ::MonkeyWink::

Chunkie rat, and one of his side kicks has been alluding to a comeback. Supposedly they are going to post in the "other paper" some of the angry posts that have been made towards Aruba to counter our Diario page. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Screw Chuckie...he's just got his widdle rat..tidy-whities in a wad..

He can't stand to see anything that even resembles compassion for Beth...all of Natalee's Family...he must be such a miserable empty person...to be filled with so much hate and venom....
I think chuckie rat was recently offered a moderators job on Robin's Natalee site and he accepted. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: mrskub on May 30, 2008, 05:04:43 AM
Diario has printed the Monkey's letter;

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Spock on May 30, 2008, 05:05:56 AM
Glenda at RU

Behind Tierra del Sol near the cellular station, Diario received information that a very suspicious tennis shoe was found in the area. This was a "way" area that people don't go (or can' get to).

Remember that the Natalee Holloway case will reach 3 years and the talk is the tennis shoe is a big size and possibly could be the one JvdS lost or threw away.

It's true Diario has a photo also of the tennis shoe that the Authorities were investigating in the case of the young missing American.

Didn't one of the Psychic's say Natalee was buried in a mineshaft equidistant from the beach and a cell tower?  However, it does seem odd that this shoe is only now being found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 05:38:11 AM
Julia Renfro has been singing the "Beth is responsible for Natalee's disappearance because she signed the waver" song, for over a year.  Interesting that Maglio has a post.  Wonder where he got the idea?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:15 pm         

Glenda wrote:


I'm pretty sure that you have to be 19 years old in the state of Alabama to be considered an adult. And true, once the Parent has signed a release waiver for a minor - everyone is release of responsibility.

Dave can probably sue Beth for signing the waiver to allow their minor child to go on an all-inclusive co-ed all-you-can drink trip to a foreign country where the laws are different and to top it off *without any adult supervision ~ just an escort. BTW we all know what an escort is in Aruba don't we?


RU


Sounds awful similar, to me......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 05:45:55 AM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 05:51:41 AM
Julia Renfro has been singing the "Beth is responsible for Natalee's disappearance because she signed the waver" song, for over a year.  Interesting that Maglio has a post.  Wonder where he got the idea?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:15 pm         

Glenda wrote:


I'm pretty sure that you have to be 19 years old in the state of Alabama to be considered an adult. And true, once the Parent has signed a release waiver for a minor - everyone is release of responsibility.

Dave can probably sue Beth for signing the waiver to allow their minor child to go on an all-inclusive co-ed all-you-can drink trip to a foreign country where the laws are different and to top it off *without any adult supervision ~ just an escort. BTW we all know what an escort is in Aruba don't we?


RU


Sounds awful similar, to me......



Good Morning!...Pretty sure that Glenda 'knows' what an escort in Aruba is! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Spock...I remember a very smart Monkey asking about a cell phone tower very recently.

Destiny...Thank You for making this happen....and waiting very patiently for things to get interesting....Thanks again!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 05:52:42 AM
Julia Renfro April 14, 2008

Glenda wrote:


A minor without a chaperon or friends who cared where the heck she was at 2 am... To let her leave with strangers and not do anything about it? A minor who the parent purchased all the alcohol she could possibly drink in a foreign country.

Calling Beth a fool to do the above is ridiculous, the word is she is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee.



The appropriate response from Rory:

So what do you say about the parents of the other 100plus kids on the trip? What do you say about the hundreds of parents, exactly like Beth, of hundreds of students who have gone on these trips to Aruba and done the exact same thing as Natalee?

Does this mean you agree that travel groups like this must stop? That it is dangerous? That no parent should send their child on these evil "all-inclusive" junkets? That these parents have no business "approving their children of becoming adults responsible for themselves?"

Do you see how absolutely silly you sound?

This has nothing to do with Beth and everything to do with JORAN.

The difference between Natalee and the other 100 of her classmates is that Natalee left with Joran and has not been seen since. The difference between all the hundreds of other students partying, drinking, dancing their brains out on an "all inclusive" trip to Aruba - just like Natalee - was that no Joran appeared at the end of the last night, whisking one of those other students away. Forever.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 05:58:05 AM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


In Aruba it is illegal for a 17 year old to be in a casino and a nightclub, isn't it? Gambling and purchasing drinks as well!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 06:03:39 AM
Glenda at RU

Behind Tierra del Sol near the cellular station, Diario received information that a very suspicious tennis shoe was found in the area. This was a "way" area that people don't go (or can' get to).

Remember that the Natalee Holloway case will reach 3 years and the talk is the tennis shoe is a big size and possibly could be the one JvdS lost or threw away.

It's true Diario has a photo also of the tennis shoe that the Authorities were investigating in the case of the young missing American.

Didn't one of the Psychic's say Natalee was buried in a mineshaft equidistant from the beach and a cell tower?  However, it does seem odd that this shoe is only now being found.

Yeah... and here is a troubling observation from my part of the world.  Assuming the Phils and Aruba have similar climates (LOL)... there is one big big problem with the condition of the shoe...

Where are the spider webs?  The rubber and fabric on the shoe would also have been deteriorated as well after three years... the condom?  Hey folks, assuming the condom had DNA material in it insects alone (ants, etc) would have rendered it nearly unrecognizable --- I believe this is a hoax...

Leave any shoe like that in the opening even for a few days and the spiders will make a quick home out of it ---  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 06:23:49 AM
Glenda at RU

Behind Tierra del Sol near the cellular station, Diario received information that a very suspicious tennis shoe was found in the area. This was a "way" area that people don't go (or can' get to).

Remember that the Natalee Holloway case will reach 3 years and the talk is the tennis shoe is a big size and possibly could be the one JvdS lost or threw away.

It's true Diario has a photo also of the tennis shoe that the Authorities were investigating in the case of the young missing American.

Didn't one of the Psychic's say Natalee was buried in a mineshaft equidistant from the beach and a cell tower?  However, it does seem odd that this shoe is only now being found.

Yeah... and here is a troubling observation from my part of the world.  Assuming the Phils and Aruba have similar climates (LOL)... there is one big big problem with the condition of the shoe...

Where are the spider webs?  The rubber and fabric on the shoe would also have been deteriorated as well after three years... the condom?  Hey folks, assuming the condom had DNA material in it insects alone (ants, etc) would have rendered it nearly unrecognizable --- I believe this is a hoax...

Leave any shoe like that in the opening even for a few days and the spiders will make a quick home out of it ---  ::MonkeyEek::

Good Morning Silver Fox!

I've long thought...and still do...that corrupt people keep things to
hedge their bets...hold over someone else...My hope is that someone is really pissed at Joran...or someone else involved...and used their *ace*....I hope that it is Joran's shoe...stashed away...and put out there on purpose...I do believe in Miracles....to me it does not look weather worn...the laces are even neatly tied...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 06:26:27 AM
Is this "Her " ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/_PIE5885kopie.jpg?t=1212142953)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 06:31:44 AM
Morning Cage Mates!

When I call Aruba later today...I'll find out everything I can about the *shoe*...who has it now...forensic testing...all that I can...

I'm still trying to get a couple of names...they are trying to get them for me....

Can someone find a Number to a good *Florists* shop in Aruba and post it for me...It's *Thank You* time for a good friend there...TIA... ;-)

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 06:41:44 AM
Glenda at RU

Behind Tierra del Sol near the cellular station, Diario received information that a very suspicious tennis shoe was found in the area. This was a "way" area that people don't go (or can' get to).

Remember that the Natalee Holloway case will reach 3 years and the talk is the tennis shoe is a big size and possibly could be the one JvdS lost or threw away.

It's true Diario has a photo also of the tennis shoe that the Authorities were investigating in the case of the young missing American.

Didn't one of the Psychic's say Natalee was buried in a mineshaft equidistant from the beach and a cell tower?  However, it does seem odd that this shoe is only now being found.

Yeah... and here is a troubling observation from my part of the world.  Assuming the Phils and Aruba have similar climates (LOL)... there is one big big problem with the condition of the shoe...

Where are the spider webs?  The rubber and fabric on the shoe would also have been deteriorated as well after three years... the condom?  Hey folks, assuming the condom had DNA material in it insects alone (ants, etc) would have rendered it nearly unrecognizable --- I believe this is a hoax...

Leave any shoe like that in the opening even for a few days and the spiders will make a quick home out of it ---  ::MonkeyEek::

Good Morning Silver Fox!

I've long thought...and still do...that corrupt people keep things to
hedge their bets...hold over someone else...My hope is that someone is really pissed at Joran...or someone else involved...and used their *ace*....I hope that it is Joran's shoe...stashed away...and put out there on purpose...I do believe in Miracles....to me it does not look weather worn...the laces are even neatly tied...

Destiny

I am hoping so too...and have a few people in mind...

Flowers...take a look here Destiny...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Florists+Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 06:44:20 AM
Is this "Her " ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/_PIE5885kopie.jpg?t=1212142953)



Hello Johan...more here from Blonde's collection....Thanks Blonde!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2870.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 06:45:02 AM
It is not a condom ! ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/K_SWISSkopie.jpg?t=1212144201)

##################################################
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/K-SWISS-2kopie.jpg?t=1212144265)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 06:51:19 AM
It is not a condom ! ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/K_SWISSkopie.jpg?t=1212144201)

##################################################
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/K-SWISS-2kopie.jpg?t=1212144265)




Does that look like blood on the tongue of the shoe to anyone else????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:10:03 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 07:12:42 AM
the lighthouse area

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/CaliforniaLighthouse.jpg?t=1212145879)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 07:15:00 AM
ldstlou  piep piep > email  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:16:38 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 07:21:21 AM
Is this "Her " ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/_PIE5885kopie.jpg?t=1212142953)



Hello Johan...more here from Blonde's collection....Thanks Blonde!

thanks MUM ihio good idea Blonde !!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2870.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 07:23:58 AM
Julia Renfro has been singing the "Beth is responsible for Natalee's disappearance because she signed the waver" song, for over a year.  Interesting that Maglio has a post.  Wonder where he got the idea?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:15 pm         

Glenda wrote:


I'm pretty sure that you have to be 19 years old in the state of Alabama to be considered an adult. And true, once the Parent has signed a release waiver for a minor - everyone is release of responsibility.

Dave can probably sue Beth for signing the waiver to allow their minor child to go on an all-inclusive co-ed all-you-can drink trip to a foreign country where the laws are different and to top it off *without any adult supervision ~ just an escort. BTW we all know what an escort is in Aruba don't we?


RU


Sounds awful similar, to me......


sure we know what an aruban escort is:  gielen, renfro, munzenhofer are all prime examples.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 07:24:33 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........

false evidence ! can be bleachedblack

But when it is true, who found the shoes ?
Is it 1 left shoe ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 30, 2008, 07:25:15 AM
Hello all.....still here, just not posting much, as I have had nothing to say in recent weeks. I will say now that I believe this 'tennis shoe' is a sick hoax. Too coinky dinky to be found at the 3 year mark...to the day. Bunch of sickos...who ever they are. Anyway...my thoughts are with Natalee and her family and friends...as always... as this 3 year mark passes. We will never give up. Justice for Natalee Holloway and peace to her family and friends.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 07:27:48 AM
RE: tennis shoe, do you have picture of Jorans foot (side by side) to see if he double tied his shoes?  And how would a double tied shoe come off?  It was Crossbow who was talking about the area with the telecommunications tower near the lighthouse.  And Destiny, if I forgot to mention it-Good Job!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:33:41 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........

false evidence ! can be bleachedblack

But when it is true, who found the shoes ?
Is it 1 left shoe ?


Yes I am sadly inclined to think that it can be no other. All that area around the light house/ Tierra Del Sol was searched. It was searched by the Dutch Marines among countless others. That shoe must be a plant, and it has been planted by someone who knows fairly little about the case IMO as I feel if the three perps ever took Natalee to the lighthouse at all it isn't likely they got out of the car there. Sadly this sick act will cast doubt on any future possible finds of legitimate evidence, though that isn't likely at this late date.

......watch the red herrings.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 07:44:50 AM
RE: tennis shoe, do you have picture of Jorans foot (side by side) to see if he double tied his shoes?  And how would a double tied shoe come off?  It was Crossbow who was talking about the area with the telecommunications tower near the lighthouse.  And Destiny, if I forgot to mention it-Good Job!!!

Hi always1...I don't recall Crossbow's post, would you fill me in please? TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:45:12 AM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 07:47:20 AM
RE: tennis shoe, do you have picture of Jorans foot (side by side) to see if he double tied his shoes?  And how would a double tied shoe come off?  It was Crossbow who was talking about the area with the telecommunications tower near the lighthouse.  And Destiny, if I forgot to mention it-Good Job!!!
 

if it is jvds' shoe, and it's a size l4 as originally stated, it would have slipped off his foot rather easily.  klpd interrogators established while he was in jail that his proper shoe size is l0 1/2.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:51:22 AM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 07:52:40 AM
to Mum In Ohio, Crossbow was working with the psychic map by Karen that showed the telecommunication tower near the lighthouse..  It had a mine near it where "karen" said Natalee was placed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 07:56:41 AM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?
Questions... Real McCoy?




From RWV....I came here first...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 08:00:24 AM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.



he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 08:01:55 AM
to Mum In Ohio, Crossbow was working with the psychic map by Karen that showed the telecommunication tower near the lighthouse..  It had a mine near it where "karen" said Natalee was placed.

Thanks always1...I will see if I can find it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 08:02:16 AM
RE: tennis shoe, do you have picture of Jorans foot (side by side) to see if he double tied his shoes?  And how would a double tied shoe come off?  It was Crossbow who was talking about the area with the telecommunications tower near the lighthouse.  And Destiny, if I forgot to mention it-Good Job!!!
 

if it is jvds' shoe, and it's a size l4 as originally stated, it would have slipped off his foot rather easily.  klpd interrogators established while he was in jail that his proper shoe size is l0 1/2.
dennisintn
As you know
whatever the interrogators determined  still remains a  controversy to this day as his shoe size has been quoted in more sources than one as being a size 14.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:07:26 AM
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7739/diario05102008wn3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 08:09:16 AM
Good Morning *******...Can you please post this pdf. about Val going to college please? Page 1...TIA

http://www.isaruba.com/newsletter/breeze/March%207.pdf

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 08:14:32 AM

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissDiario053008.jpg)

I think this is a piece of kelp.

And I do think it's the same sneaker from another angle... Klass got that right..

I'm back a few pages.. so if this has been clarified, please disregard.

++++++++++++

Des, great job to you and Klaas and all who helped on the letter.

Good Morning all.

I wish I had my laptop so I could mark out where the shoe was found, it seems to be near the cell tower found by blah in one of the Aru-bay videos.

Also, remember Dompig said they were looking for a matching shoe. So this could be intriguing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 08:21:49 AM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.



he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474


Yep Mum -- You got it!  (I knew you  would) ... LOL...

Somehow my instincts are telling me this is really connected (the post and the plant)...

Of course the fact it is planted doesn't detract from the damaging consequences to joran if this is the real McCoy .... The eivence is still the evidence and a good crime lab can certainly date the blood (if any)... The Habious Corpus in this case could become a Corpus Delicti if, indeed, there is blood and that blood is Nats... (seeing as though this would be the presumed only remains [the blood]...of Natalee).  The fact that such blood could exist on a shoe of Jorans turns this case upside down (even under Dutch law, I presume)...

Please understand -- a legal argument could be made, in this case that the blood is the only remaining remains of Natalee...

Just some thoughts to stimulate your legal beagle inquisitiveness ...  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:26:02 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........

false evidence ! can be bleachedblack

But when it is true, who found the shoes ?
Is it 1 left shoe ?


Yep...ONE LEFT SHOE...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 08:26:47 AM

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissDiario053008.jpg)

I think this is a piece of kelp.

And I do think it's the same sneaker from another angle... Klass got that right..

I'm back a few pages.. so if this has been clarified, please disregard.

++++++++++++

Des, great job to you and Klaas and all who helped on the letter.

Good Morning all.

I wish I had my laptop so I could mark out where the shoe was found, it seems to be near the cell tower found by blah in one of the Aru-bay videos.

Also, remember Dompig said they were looking for a matching shoe. So this could be intriguing.

Please also note the structure of the shoe in the photo.

Someone who wears shoes who are to big often sees a "curling" effect  in the shoe in the toe area...Hence a size 10+/- foot earing a size 14 shoe might give that sort of wear.... this shoe certainly fits that pattern...

From the psychological aspect consider the bizarre brain of Joran -- Passive Aggressive Sociopathic ... Some say Napoleon fit this personality time -- (Little big man syndrome) -- what about a big man with small feet?  Certinaly a ego deflator, right? Think about it... The shoe looks curled to me...

Maybe this comes from me wearing too many hand-me-downs as a kid  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 08:33:19 AM
another thought -
this is the area where the cell phone was found a few months ago and one of de Sloots (Anita??) said it was Valentijn's.

so either someone is planting evidence collected previously and closing the door on Joran or this was all overlooked in the past.

As for the shoe, I guess it's theoretical that the shoe could have washed up, but that seems unlikely as the laces look undamaged by years in the sea. I guess someone at United Laboratories would know how long laces would last in the sea. Leather could last 3 years - but laces are generally made from cotton and I seriously doubt they could last even one year.

So, just looking at the laces, I would imagine that the shoe was not in the water this whole time and either were recently uncovered from the area it was buried or planted... or has nothing to do with the case.

also, it's interesting that everything is moving away from the Sloot home once again.

+++++++++++++

where the heck is Janet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 08:36:28 AM
I think he  double tie his shoes

here is  a part of a screen shot ( Jensen )
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/JORANJENSENkopie.jpg?t=1212150884)


******* do you have larger pics from this series ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/40863778a80f5e4796oke0_th.jpg?t=1212150674)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:39:49 AM
Good Morning *******...Can you please post this pdf. about Val going to college please? Page 1...TIA

http://www.isaruba.com/newsletter/breeze/March%207.pdf

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Good Morning Mum!

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3585/val1ur8.png) (http://imageshack.us)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:41:49 AM
I think he  double tie his shoes

here is  a part of a screen shot ( Jensen )
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/JORANJENSENkopie.jpg?t=1212150884)


******* do you have larger pics from this series ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/40863778a80f5e4796oke0_th.jpg?t=1212150674)



Morning :) Yup I do..I don't have time right now to post those though..When Klaas gets up Im sure she has some to post..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 08:44:48 AM
I think he  double tie his shoes

here is  a part of a screen shot ( Jensen )
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/JORANJENSENkopie.jpg?t=1212150884)


******* do you have larger pics from this series ?

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/40863778a80f5e4796oke0_th.jpg?t=1212150674)


no one wants to trip over the laces during a match.
tennis players are generally taught to double tie their shoes.

an idiot like Joran probably had to be told over and over and over again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 08:46:32 AM
another thought -
this is the area where the cell phone was found a few months ago and one of de Sloots (Anita??) said it was Valentijn's.

so either someone is planting evidence collected previously and closing the door on Joran or this was all overlooked in the past.

As for the shoe, I guess it's theoretical that the shoe could have washed up, but that seems unlikely as the laces look undamaged by years in the sea. I guess someone at United Laboratories would know how long laces would last in the sea. Leather could last 3 years - but laces are generally made from cotton and I seriously doubt they could last even one year.

So, just looking at the laces, I would imagine that the shoe was not in the water this whole time and either were recently uncovered from the area it was buried or planted... or has nothing to do with the case.

also, it's interesting that everything is moving away from the Sloot home once again.

+++++++++++++

where the heck is Janet?   Probably sleeping!!! Wake up Janet!!!

IIRC it was Jaime who was asked if Joran gave him something to hold, then we have Deepak and Satish going back for the shoes, and also Sanches/Sanchez asking for something back from ALE...Hmmm...and I was just reading about 'deep throat'.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 08:52:56 AM
Good Morning *******...Can you please post this pdf. about Val going to college please? Page 1...TIA

http://www.isaruba.com/newsletter/breeze/March%207.pdf

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Good Morning Mum!

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3585/val1ur8.png) (http://imageshack.us)




Thanks *******...wanted that too...looking at Rika and the Zeolla girl!!!

The one I wanted was Val being accepted at two more schools...San Diego and Syracuse!!! Page before the pic!

Will have to dig for more Breeze to find out the others...second thoughts...send him here!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:59:25 AM
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3877/val2cj9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 08:59:35 AM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/shoecurl.gif)

Notice the curve of the shoe curl...Notice the circle I placed which appears at the bottom of the lace line -- see how it is "scrunched in"?  I bet from this point upwards fits a size 10 foot... the curl is caused by the shoe being too large...

Ha...

BIG MAN WITH SMALL FEET wears big shoes to appear normal... makes you wonder aobut his hat size...LOL...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:08:21 AM
The way I *see* it.....our Article...and the shoe article printed in the same edition...3 yr. anniversary...is a double edged sword for us...

Maybe...just maybe...it was put there by one of the *heroes* we pleaded for...maybe not...but you know it has to have a great impact in Aruba....I see it as only *good* in keeping this case in the light of day...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 09:09:28 AM
Thanks *******...Will try and find the others before they disappear!

Silverfox...had that saved... ::MonkeyWink::

Still wonder why Freddy was buying the new shoes??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Peaches on May 30, 2008, 09:12:29 AM
The way I *see* it.....our Article...and the shoe article printed in the same edition...3 yr. anniversary...is a double edged sword for us...

Maybe...just maybe...it was put there by one of the *heroes* we pleaded for...maybe not...but you know it has to have a great impact in Aruba....I see it as only *good* in keeping this case in the light of day...

All publicity is good publicity.  Anything that keeps Natalee's story in the news is great.  Great job on the Diario article, Destiny, I am impressed.  Yes,  I recognize it was a community effort and everyone is to be commended.  You really got the ball rolling and for that, I thank you.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 09:17:13 AM
Thanks *******...Will try and find the others before they disappear!

Silverfox...had that saved... ::MonkeyWink::

Still wonder why Freddy was buying the new shoes??

Well mum...speculation can run rampant here, but what the heck... perhaps someone on that fateful night wasn't quite with the program and stole the shoe -- and hid it -- just in case and perhaps Joran and Freddy panicked over it and sent Freddy to hurriedly replace it...

If so then we can take Destiny's hope that the ad helped flush this out -- that someone's conscience opened the door and brought the shoe out to save the day -- connect the dots -- break the case wide open...

perhaps the "First"?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 09:18:48 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........


OR someone had it, and kept it for three years,  then just placed it there hmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Where is robots when we need him? ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:19:52 AM
Looking for Janet!!!  Attention!!! Janet!!  I have a question that only you can answer...I need your amazing research abilities. Please check in.


That shoe is so clean on the inside...even my own shoes are not that clean after lying out exposed to the elements for 3 years...hmmmm.

I thought Val's cell phone was found in the sand behind the fisherman's huts...I didn't know it was the lighthouse area...am I mistaken on this?

More questions in a minute....Janet????  I need you!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:21:07 AM
The way I *see* it.....our Article...and the shoe article printed in the same edition...3 yr. anniversary...is a double edged sword for us...

Maybe...just maybe...it was put there by one of the *heroes* we pleaded for...maybe not...but you know it has to have a great impact in Aruba....I see it as only *good* in keeping this case in the light of day...

All publicity is good publicity.  Anything that keeps Natalee's story in the news is great.  Great job on the Diario article, Destiny, I am impressed.  Yes,  I recognize it was a community effort and everyone is to be commended.  You really got the ball rolling and for that, I thank you.   

TY Peaches...blush....We need to send links to both articles to US press, that has covered the story...we need to do this today....I have hospice people arriving here in about 45 mins...any volunteers...we need to strike while the iron is hot....Sorry to ask so much of everyone....but my gut feeling..is the driving force to even attempt getting an article printed  in Diario....and I feel that Greta...and Nancy Grace should get this info ASAP...and I don't have a lot of free time today...Love All You Monkeys....you *inspire* me...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 09:23:09 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
Blood = habeas corpus? (shh... if that is all that remains of a body?)... LOL... There is case law to this effect I believe....

IF this "shoe" has Natalee's blood on it then a forensic scientist and a good prosecutor could call it Habeas corpus -- or at worst -- corpus delecti...

IF this is the real McCoy then Joran could be screwed...

and, what we have seen of Joran probably indicates he will turn on everyone around him... the canary sings (ever wonder why coal miners love canaries?)....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:24:40 AM
Where is robots when we need him? ::MonkeyWink::

If that is indeed Jorans Shoe..Robots said he would eat spiders  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a great day everyone! Keep those fingers crossed and keep up the faith!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 09:25:40 AM
Looking for Janet!!!  Attention!!! Janet!!  I have a question that only you can answer...I need your amazing research abilities. Please check in.


That shoe is so clean on the inside...even my own shoes are not that clean after lying out exposed to the elements for 3 years...hmmmm.

I thought Val's cell phone was found in the sand behind the fisherman's huts...I didn't know it was the lighthouse area...am I mistaken on this?

More questions in a minute....Janet????  I need you!!!!


LOL...Lala's...It is not 6.30AM in the west....Don't yell so loud...you will wake her up! And Klaas too!!!

I thought the cell was found by the lighthouse, but don't quote me....

Thanks again Destiny...I find it difficult to send an email even...a computer dummy here...I am sorry!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 09:25:55 AM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/shoecurl.gif)

Notice the curve of the shoe curl...Notice the circle I placed which appears at the bottom of the lace line -- see how it is "scrunched in"?  I bet from this point upwards fits a size 10 foot... the curl is caused by the shoe being too large...

Ha...

BIG MAN WITH SMALL FEET wears big shoes to appear normal... makes you wonder aobut his hat size...LOL...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They use a 200 mm lens for the picture 
you see that  the left area on the pic  is unsharp
For this unsharp effect you need a 200mm and  2.8 of 3.5  (full Opening )
So i think they found the shoes somewhere deep down  in a reef
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/K-SWISS-2kopie.jpg?t=1212153508)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 09:26:28 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/joranshoes.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 09:27:05 AM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/ht_vander_sloot7_060206_ssv.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 09:28:43 AM
Why is it, that I am loading the Diario website... and seeing absolutely
no full page layout for Nat...


...and seeing absolutely no mention whatsoever of a sneaker?

What am I doing wrong?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 09:31:06 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 

Lala's....You mastered Shango 101!!!

You could be right Wreck!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 09:31:16 AM
Inside Job?

Sorry, but I have to say this.

Destiny is indicating she feels the article might have helped flush this out -- if authenticated... and I agree... But that leaves a questions... The story of the shoe appears in the same paper as the article -- meaning both were simultaneous...So... if there is a connection here then someone was actively reading SM (Yeah gang) or, someone with Jossy's organization knows much more than we think and somehow connected the timing on this...

Either way -- IF this is the "Real McCoy" it is a MAJOR DISCOVERY  and NEWS EVENT!  -- Where is Geraldo when we need him? (Probably having tea with robots at a backyard barbeque at Jossy's villa, right?)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 09:32:41 AM
By the way RG  this is a camera  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/camerakopie.jpg?t=1212154278)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:33:19 AM


Be sure to ask Maglio how he'd feel if Natalee was his daughter. I'm sure the hypocrite would be singing a different song.

Nice to know we have had an impact on Aruba's tourism though. Thank him for confirming that.



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Dear Dr. Maglio,

Sir, what about the ample evidence that Aruba currently possesses, and has been
viciously hanging on to, (electronic records) that demonstrate that Joran Vandersloot
and the Kalpoes were actively targeting American females for the purpose of rape?

Do you not think that has just a little something to do with why Aruba is getting the eternal shaft?

What if Natalee Holloway was your daughter, sir?

What if at every move you tried to uncover information on exactly how she died, you
were blocked by Arubian justice officials. Why do they need to lie, sir? Why do they continue to lie about case facts even today?

Why will they not put Joran in jail after he admitted on Dutch TV and ABC-TV that
he simply threw Natalee Holloway away not knowing if she was alive or dead?

Don't ya think that may have just a little accounting for what Aruba is currently doing to itself?

Look, you seem to have all the credentials of being a very smart man. People just don't hand out PHD's for cutting out and mailing in cereal box tops. However, I am scratching my head after your misinformed Aruba article!

There are many more facts that have been uncovered and not reported by the media. I think you need to fully look into those before you write another article.

A good website to look into would be www.scaredmonkeys.net. They are EXTREMELY devoted to this case and uncovering what happened to Natalee Holloway. They have uncovered a mountain of information about this case, and other criminal corruption activities going on in Aruba.


All is not what it appears to be in Aruba. They are as rotten
as a dumpster apple with a dirty worm in it!

Aruban "Officials" K-N-O-W this stuff is going on, they just DO NOT CARE.

I have a big problem with that! Do you?


Great letter Carpe! LOL @ cereal box!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
LOL! Dayhiker, thank you.


....

ok, I just reloaded Diario...


I have Nat  & the sneaker story now. WTF??? Do they start drinking the hiney
wine this early?

Maybe it's just me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:36:18 AM
Here is my opinion of the sneakers.  Without any additional supporting evidence and forensics...which we know will not happen...those shoes are useless...if they have been there for 3 years...then it 's too late...again...to use them.  Those shoes are not even dirty on the inside...on an island like that...everything has sand and grit blown into them if they are exposed for 3 years to the elements.

If those shoes have been hidden all this time and kept secret...that is too bad too.  The person that had them would need to declare on record that they were Joran's and that they had held them all this time...not going to happen...they would implicte themselves in the crime. 

Remember this...."one witness is no witness" ...one piece of evidence is not evidence without proof.  My old adage creeping in again...prove it belongs to Joran...won't happen...not on Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:37:57 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 


Same here Wreck. Shoes are way too much in good shape to have been sitting there all this time, but if someone (Kalpoes) had been hoarding those puppies for three years and want to nail Joran (and help win a lawsuit) than this would make sense. Two DNA matchs would be all it would take and Joran is toast.

Us this what the Kalpoes have been holding over Joran's head? Is this the reason Joran backed off of blaming Deepak?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 09:39:59 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 

Lala's....You mastered Shango 101!!!

You could be right Wreck!!!

said Shango that ?

The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:41:21 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 

Lala's....You mastered Shango 101!!!

You could be right Wreck!!!

said Shango that ?

The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story.


 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:42:18 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 

Lala's....You mastered Shango 101!!!

You could be right Wreck!!!

said Shango that ?

The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story.

Oh I can see a story a mile long in that photo...things we already know...just pieced together in a neat little package.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 09:44:09 AM
Don't jump the gun too quickly, though... LaLa...


Remember how the lawyers had their asses in a pucker over planted evidence

when the PERSISTENCE was in the vicinity. People don't pucker up and prepare

for that kind of stuff, unless they are very worried...

(know evidence exists to be planted?)

The right person just could very well be sick of the War de Natalee,

and could be deciding it is time to end everything for everyone.

Wishful thinking on my part... probably.

The possibilities exist though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:44:39 AM
Here is my opinion of the sneakers.  Without any additional supporting evidence and forensics...which we know will not happen...those shoes are useless...if they have been there for 3 years...then it 's too late...again...to use them.  Those shoes are not even dirty on the inside...on an island like that...everything has sand and grit blown into them if they are exposed for 3 years to the elements.

If those shoes have been hidden all this time and kept secret...that is too bad too.  The person that had them would need to declare on record that they were Joran's and that they had held them all this time...not going to happen...they would implicte themselves in the crime. 

Remember this...."one witness is no witness" ...one piece of evidence is not evidence without proof.  My old adage creeping in again...prove it belongs to Joran...won't happen...not on Aruba.


Morning Las! Two pieces of evidence would be. I like Johan's thinking on the cup. Would K2 have been smart enough to save evidence for fear the Sloots would try to frame them? Joran and Paulus started baming Deepak very early on and he may hve gotten wind of it from his lawyer. ALE is one leaky joint.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:46:27 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 

Lala's....You mastered Shango 101!!!

You could be right Wreck!!!

said Shango that ?

The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story.

Oh I can see a story a mile long in that photo...things we already know...just pieced together in a neat little package.


Yep! That would be a slam dunk.  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 09:47:07 AM
I'm leaning towards a "plant" by a "hero". The plastic cup may be left as a "hint" about a "spiked drink" from C&C's. I can't tell what the strip is on top of the shoe. Everything left around the shoe may be telling us a story. -jmo 

me likes the way you think.

those cups, wreck, are floating all over the place. People get their drinks in them and the then blow into the ocean. So, I doubt that specific cups has anything to do with it... just debris that washed up.

also, because Aruba is so hot, there are water station areas near every bar that use those exact cups.... you fill up the cup with water and ice and after it is consumed - it will blow away as there is noting to hold it down once the water and ice are gone. People don't mean to let the trash fly all over, but there is little anyone can do about it unless they are already aware that's what's gonna happen.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:47:10 AM
OK then...I will keep my opinions to myself. LOL

Where's Janet?????  I can shout now, I see Klaas is awake.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 09:48:12 AM
Still behind a few pages  ::MonkeyWink::

2 NEW FRONT PAGE POSTS

www.scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 09:48:39 AM
Inside Job?

Sorry, but I have to say this.

Destiny is indicating she feels the article might have helped flush this out -- if authenticated... and I agree... But that leaves a questions... The story of the shoe appears in the same paper as the article -- meaning both were simultaneous...So... if there is a connection here then someone was actively reading SM (Yeah gang) or, someone with Jossy's organization knows much more than we think and somehow connected the timing on this...

Either way -- IF this is the "Real McCoy" it is a MAJOR DISCOVERY  and NEWS EVENT!  -- Where is Geraldo when we need him? (Probably having tea with robots at a backyard barbeque at Jossy's villa, right?)


LOL...Silverfox...don't scoff at some-one reading at SM...'These boards are being monitored'...LOL!

Seriously, Destiny did mention a week or so back that Diario had a witness...I thought it was a female...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........


OR someone had it, and kept it for three years,  then just placed it there hmmm


In one of the Kalpoe's statements one of them told the interrogator, "Ask Joran where his tennis shoes are". You or some other Monkey may have this in your files somewhere Blonde.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 09:52:20 AM
Oh, no please... keep your opinions comin', Lalas...

That is what Monkeys are all about, right? ::MonkeyWink::

(provided it's not a Lie-Ruba 'PIN-YONE! LOL)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 09:52:38 AM
Inside Job?

Sorry, but I have to say this.

Destiny is indicating she feels the article might have helped flush this out -- if authenticated... and I agree... But that leaves a questions... The story of the shoe appears in the same paper as the article -- meaning both were simultaneous...So... if there is a connection here then someone was actively reading SM (Yeah gang) or, someone with Jossy's organization knows much more than we think and somehow connected the timing on this...

Either way -- IF this is the "Real McCoy" it is a MAJOR DISCOVERY  and NEWS EVENT!  -- Where is Geraldo when we need him? (Probably having tea with robots at a backyard barbeque at Jossy's villa, right?)


he was freaking out yesterday over the barrel switch on Drew Petersen's MR-5 (at least that's what he called he weapon).

Petersen had the assault rifle for team swat and the barrel was not 'sawed off' according to his attorney, but merely switched to a smaller barrel.

So, Whoreldo is around.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 09:52:46 AM
Why is it, that I am loading the Diario website... and seeing absolutely
no full page layout for Nat...


...and seeing absolutely no mention whatsoever of a sneaker?

What am I doing wrong?

In the LOCAL section, both articles 

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/blogcategory/13/30/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:52:57 AM
Pardon me if this has been posted, but did Diario mention where they got the photos, was it from a tip?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
I believe we all have to be worried that the shoe does not end up where the "belt" ended up... right?

Lala's is right about being cautious --

But I do disagree on the evidence point...

IF there is a dna match to Joran (His shoe) and IF there is a dna match to Natalee (blood if it exists) and IF a forensic lab determines it is vintage 2005 then this is enough to establsh not only habeas corpus (in the form of the blood) but also incriminating evidence that joran is involved (in the form of HIS shoe)... This, combined with the OTHER evidence ALE has in it's arsenal could hang him very very high... The shoe size, in my opinion, is no longer a defense because the shoe show curling... I am sure an expert can be called to substantiate what happens to shoes when they are too large...

Which leads us to this -- and I believe Lala's point:  Who?

Who had the shoe and why?

Certainly the case could conceivably be tried on the shoe alone if it matches the above criteria... but the chances of conviction are not as great... wjy?  The person who planted the shoe is a major witness... the "slam dunk" if it will... Joran is toast if all the conditions of the above are met AND the witness comes forward...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Peaches on May 30, 2008, 09:56:45 AM
I am currently on Chapter 8 of Dr. Hodges' book "Into the Deep".  It's fascinating.  I totally "get" Dr. Hodges and his theory on thought prints.  It isn't an easy book to read but I'm on Chapter 8 so it seems to be holding my interest.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 09:56:55 AM
some older pics

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/ZOshoes.jpg?t=1212155758)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 09:59:20 AM
I believe we all have to be worried that the shoe does not end up where the "belt" ended up... right?

Lala's is right about being cautious --

But I do disagree on the evidence point...

IF there is a dna match to Joran (His shoe) and IF there is a dna match to Natalee (blood if it exists) and IF a forensic lab determines it is vintage 2005 then this is enough to establsh not only habeas corpus (in the form of the blood) but also incriminating evidence that joran is involved (in the form of HIS shoe)... This, combined with the OTHER evidence ALE has in it's arsenal could hang him very very high... The shoe size, in my opinion, is no longer a defense because the shoe show curling... I am sure an expert can be called to substantiate what happens to shoes when they are too large...

Which leads us to this -- and I believe Lala's point:  Who?

Who had the shoe and why?

Certainly the case could conceivably be tried on the shoe alone if it matches the above criteria... but the chances of conviction are not as great... wjy?  The person who planted the shoe is a major witness... the "slam dunk" if it will... Joran is toast if all the conditions of the above are met AND the witness comes forward...


Agree Silverfox. There is much other evidence, a confession, and statements from Joran and the Kalpoes about his missing shoes. Interesting this comes on the third anniversary.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:00:38 AM
I guess that the douchebags at RU were totally overcome with joy that Joran made it to the three year anniversary... and then that shoe popped up.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

interesting that it is a K Swiss.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:07:54 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 10:08:52 AM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........


OR someone had it, and kept it for three years,  then just placed it there hmmm


In one of the Kalpoe's statements one of them told the interrogator, "Ask Joran where his tennis shoes are". You or some other Monkey may have this in your files somewhere Blonde.
IF the shoe was left by the Kalpoes -- I retract the "hero" part.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 10:15:39 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.


Good morning Bro! Dompig confused us all. First he were talking about "a shoe" then it changed to two. but there was scuttlebutt on the boards a couple or few weeks after Nat disappeared that Joran was trying to find a source to buy "one" shoe, a matching K-Swiss to one he lost from his previous pair.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 10:15:40 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.

Surely you did not use the word logic in conjunction with something happening on Aruba?     ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 10:19:01 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.


Important question is if there was one she taken from the residence does it still exist or did the corrupt cops and ALE destroy it with the belt and other evidence?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 10:20:24 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.

Surely you did not use the word logic in conjunction with something happening on Aruba?     ::MonkeyShocked::


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: johan555 on May 30, 2008, 10:23:02 AM
Are these shoes tennis or running shoes ?

By the way, at KIA they have to register, as in the majority of prisons around the world, what shoes and other belongings each person comes in with, yes or no? On August 8, 2005, the same Dutch police officer asked Joran to take off his shoe, which was a K-Swiss brand running shoe.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=dialuna



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:24:57 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.

Surely you did not use the word logic in conjunction with something happening on Aruba?     ::MonkeyShocked::

wreck, it would be our logic. Not Aruba's.

I just see a golden opportunity to nail these bastards even harder here.
see, when they drained that pond, Dompig said they were looking for a matching shoe so they had to have something to compare it with. If they found an espadrille, they could maybe link that to Guido  ::MonkeyHaHa:: but how would they be able to link Joran to any shoe other than the one that was missing? follow me here?

I think I confused everyone, myself included.

Dayhiker, Dompig didn't confuse me. I followed him and he said he was looking for a specific shoe. There would be no need to spend the money or the time to drain that pond over three days if they weren't looking for something very very specific.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 10:25:09 AM
Are these shoes tennis or running shoes ?

By the way, at KIA they have to register, as in the majority of prisons around the world, what shoes and other belongings each person comes in with, yes or no? On August 8, 2005, the same Dutch police officer asked Joran to take off his shoe, which was a K-Swiss brand running shoe.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=dialuna




I am dying to know whether that K-Swiss in the photo is a size 10 1/2 or 14.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 10:28:32 AM
I think we have a chance to pin Dompig's statement down even further. We could see if he was lying about draining the Marriott pond looking for a matching shoe.

if this shoe matches the control shoe he was referencing, he was telling the truth. They did have a shoe recovered from a closet at the Sloots (possibly had blood on it, but did not match Natalee IIRC) and it had no mate.

If the shoe is determined to be irrelevant right away, we will know the shoe DOES NOT MATCH THE SHOE FOUND AT THE SLOOTS AND THAT SHOE DOES EXIST.

If we do not hear anything about the shoe again, we could logically determine it is part of the investigation.

Surely you did not use the word logic in conjunction with something happening on Aruba?     ::MonkeyShocked::

wreck, it would be our logic. Not Aruba's.

I just see a golden opportunity to nail these bastards even harder here.
see, when they drained that pond, Dompig said they were looking for a matching shoe so they had to have something to compare it with. If they found an espadrille, they could maybe link that to Guido  ::MonkeyHaHa:: but how would they be able to link Joran to any shoe other than the one that was missing? follow me here?

I think I confused everyone, myself included.

Dayhiker, Dompig didn't confuse me. I followed him and he said he was looking for a specific shoe. There would be no need to spend the money or the time to drain that pond over three days if they weren't looking for something very very specific.


LOL @ Guido's espadrille Rob.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: But Dompig changed it to they "expected to find a pair of tennis shoes" (presumably Joran's) later on during his disastrous search at the dunes. That is what is confusing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:32:21 AM
Dayhiker, we need a few statements from Dompig to put this thing in context.

I'm having a hell of a time with this laptop... all the keys are in the wrong place and some of them are the size of a chicklet. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Dayhiker on May 30, 2008, 10:36:03 AM
Dayhiker, we need a few statements from Dompig to put this thing in context.

I'm having a hell of a time with this laptop... all the keys are in the wrong place and some of them are the size of a chicklet. ::MonkeyHaHa::


I hear you on the lappy thing. Those keyboards are a PIA. Don't use mine unless I have to. We do need to put all of Dompig's statements together in one pile to get the full appreciation of them all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:38:45 AM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 10:41:55 AM
Dayhiker, we need a few statements from Dompig to put this thing in context.

I'm having a hell of a time with this laptop... all the keys are in the wrong place and some of them are the size of a chicklet. ::MonkeyHaHa::


I hear you on the lappy thing. Those keyboards are a PIA. Don't use mine unless I have to. We do need to put all of Dompig's statements together in one pile to get the full appreciation of them all.

I love my laptop. This is a friend's - I'm using until I get mine back from the fix it shop. And I have not used Vista before either...now I know why Angie hated it so much. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm not the best typist to start with.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

these fingers are best used for crackin open a beer.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 10:49:25 AM
Dayhiker, we need a few statements from Dompig to put this thing in context.

I'm having a hell of a time with this laptop... all the keys are in the wrong place and some of them are the size of a chicklet. ::MonkeyHaHa::


I hear you on the lappy thing. Those keyboards are a PIA. Don't use mine unless I have to. We do need to put all of Dompig's statements together in one pile to get the full appreciation of them all.

I love my laptop. This is a friend's - I'm using until I get mine back from the fix it shop. And I have not used Vista before either...now I know why Angie hated it so much. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm not the best typist to start with.... ::MonkeyHaHa::

these fingers are best used for crackin open a beer.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::
I hated Vista at first -- but after the first week it got much better once you reduced the annoying security pop-ups. It also improved speed wise after the SP1 came out. Just don't ever use Vista with less than 2 GB RAM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 10:50:51 AM
Why is it, that I am loading the Diario website... and seeing absolutely
no full page layout for Nat...


...and seeing absolutely no mention whatsoever of a sneaker?

What am I doing wrong?

ssshhhhh, it's secret stuff.  only the ladies know.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 10:59:20 AM
Did Angie run off with robots??  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 11:08:47 AM
Don't jump the gun too quickly, though... LaLa...


Remember how the lawyers had their asses in a pucker over planted evidence

when the PERSISTENCE was in the vicinity. People don't pucker up and prepare

for that kind of stuff, unless they are very worried...

(know evidence exists to be planted?)

The right person just could very well be sick of the War de Natalee,

and could be deciding it is time to end everything for everyone.

Wishful thinking on my part... probably.

The possibilities exist though.

I wonder if the new search of the *POND* ties into this too....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on May 30, 2008, 11:13:15 AM
Another dead tourist last weekend??
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4831/8/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 11:17:08 AM
Another dead tourist last weekend??
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4831/8/

I don't think it's another one, think it's the same guy who was snorkeling at Baby Beach. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 11:19:13 AM
Another dead tourist last weekend??
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4831/8/

Hi Nut, I saw that... and of course was looking for the white van. Sorry to see anyone has died of a drowning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 30, 2008, 11:29:57 AM
Rosa Maria Perez found unharmed.  Amber alert cancelled.  Please mark found.  Thanks.

God is good!

O/T  Klaas, can you help?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 11:36:22 AM
Are these shoes tennis or running shoes ?

By the way, at KIA they have to register, as in the majority of prisons around the world, what shoes and other belongings each person comes in with, yes or no? On August 8, 2005, the same Dutch police officer asked Joran to take off his shoe, which was a K-Swiss brand running shoe.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=dialuna




I am dying to know whether that K-Swiss in the photo is a size 10 1/2 or 14.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


In the Diario article...it said *grande* iirc....that means large..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 11:42:43 AM
This just arrived in my mail box....from Aruba...

Sorry can't tell you more about *the Lady*...yet... ::MonkeyCool::

Hi XXXXXXXX;

Yes I want to know more information about this lady.

Do you know her name. Then I go to check it out who she is.

Let me know.

And you already know about the k-swiss that was found. It was in today newspaper.

We gone to investigate this also.

 

Have a nice day

XXXXXXX




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 11:46:22 AM
This just arrived in my mail box....from Aruba...

Sorry can't tell you more about *the Lady*...yet... ::MonkeyCool::

Hi XXXXXXXX;

Yes I want to know more information about this lady.

Do you know her name. Then I go to check it out who she is.

Let me know.

And you already know about the k-swiss that was found. It was in today newspaper.

We gone to investigate this also.

 

Have a nice day

XXXXXXX



Has anyone translated the story about the shoe yet? (..... sorry about OT's earlier  ::MonkeyNoNo::)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 11:54:25 AM
Just posted on the front page of SM:
Esther wrote:

I was in aruba 2 weeks ago…
The weird thing is that i talked to some dutch tourist who told me they found a k-swiss while on tour on the island with Eddy Croes..
I didnt believe them but to my surprise i saw the article in the newspaper…

So Katablog,the shoe as been laying there for a while so its not a hoax…

Have a nice day

May 30, 9:32 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 12:08:41 PM
Thank you Destiny and ... all Monkeys who contributed to the Diario letter.

It was excellent!!!

Janet

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 12:10:27 PM
Jossy Mansur has been an advocate for the family of Natalee Holloway since day one in their contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was preventing justice from prevailing.

LOVING NATALEE - Beth Holloway
ARUBA: CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - Dave Holloway

+++++++++++

BETH TWITTY
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005


TWITTY: Well, you know, I‘ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he‘s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he‘s my only hope on the island. And we‘ll be forever grateful to him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


DAVE HOLLOWAY
Dana Pretzer Show
September 8, 2006


HOLLOWAY: Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they're attacking him because he's looking for-- fighting for-- the truth. That’s what a good journalist does--He's going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth.


JUG TWITTY
Scared Monkey - FPComments
December 5, 2005

 
6.  THANK YOU JOSSY I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT BUT YOU HAVE BEEN THERE FOR US FROM THE BEGENNING AND THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.
Comment by JUG TWITTY | December 5, 2006, 10:57 am

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/12/05/jossy-mansur-the-return-of-the-jedi-tacopina-and-his-criminal-clinet-joran-van-der-sloot/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 12:11:16 PM
Thank you Destiny and ... all Monkeys who contributed to the Diario letter.

It was excellent!!!

Janet

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!


Good Morning!  I told them not to wake you!  LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 12:15:01 PM
Hi Janet  :smt117

gotcha

 :salut:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 12:20:53 PM
Thank you Destiny and ... all Monkeys who contributed to the Diario letter.

It was excellent!!!

Janet

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!


Good Morning!  I told them not to wake you!  LOL

Mum ... I did not mind at all.  This letter was the best wake up call ever.  It cleared the cobwebs ... gave me a buzz and ... I have yet to have my first cuppa of coffee.

Now I better think about getting out of my flannel nighty and combing my bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight!

Janet
9:20 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 12:32:19 PM
Thank you Destiny and ... all Monkeys who contributed to the Diario letter.

It was excellent!!!

Janet

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!


Good Morning!  I told them not to wake you!  LOL

Mum ... I did not mind at all.  This letter was the best wake up call ever.  It cleared the cobwebs ... gave me a buzz and ... I have yet to have my first cuppa of coffee.

Now I better think about getting out of my flannel nighty and combing my bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight!

Janet
9:20 AM


I have been up since 3 and haven't started my chores yet!!!!

Would Anita and Paulus send Val to the US to go to college????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 12:34:34 PM
Wow!!!!!  Janet....so glad to see you!!!

I have a question...it concerns the ATM withdrawals again...I know it's not a good subject because we all argue over it...but I just recently read something that made me wish you were here to help me...

It said that Geraldo was the person that told us about the ATM transaction...do you by any chance have any proof of that from a media source?  I have wanted to prove that as being a legitimate statement for a while now.....Oh my!  Did I tell you I am glad you dropped in today? Thanks for any help.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 12:36:57 PM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........


OR someone had it, and kept it for three years,  then just placed it there hmmm


In one of the Kalpoe's statements one of them told the interrogator, "Ask Joran where his tennis shoes are". You or some other Monkey may have this in your files somewhere Blonde.

<snip>Deepak Statement 6/11/05
After that he said that he was walking home barefoot. I then said, what do you mean, you are walking home barefoot, and I asked him where his sport shoes were. He answered that he had left his sport shoes at the beach. I had told him that at that moment I didn't understand what he was talking about, but that if he got home he should call me. After that I sent him a message via the M.A.S. System of SETAR. The message said: when you get home you should come online. I am waiting for you and after that I am going to sleep.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 12:38:50 PM
...not tea cup , just your everyday 6 oz water cup. But what does the article say?


http://www.cupltd.com/plastic-cups.jpg

OMG it seems the article says some suspicious kswiss sneakers found could possibly belong to joran van der sloot......... ::MonkeyShocked:: So what are the chances after all this time the sneakers were actually where found? hmmmm not likely. So has someone planted false evidence? This is very confusing........


OR someone had it, and kept it for three years,  then just placed it there hmmm


In one of the Kalpoe's statements one of them told the interrogator, "Ask Joran where his tennis shoes are". You or some other Monkey may have this in your files somewhere Blonde.

<snip>Deepak Statement 6/11/05
After that he said that he was walking home barefoot. I then said, what do you mean, you are walking home barefoot, and I asked him where his sport shoes were. He answered that he had left his sport shoes at the beach. I had told him that at that moment I didn't understand what he was talking about, but that if he got home he should call me. After that I sent him a message via the M.A.S. System of SETAR. The message said: when you get home you should come online. I am waiting for you and after that I am going to sleep.




also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sport shoes that night. If you search his home then you will find that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he left them on the beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 12:44:55 PM
Janet - good to have you back in the "cage"  ::MonkeyWink::

Posted at RU:

Quote from: Pragmatist
Looking into my crystal ball:

I'm saying that is Joran's shoe, but it has not been there the entire time. Someone was holding it and planted it there. <-- that part I didn't get from my crystal ball. The weathering is wrong for it to have been out there 3 years. Duh.

Now for a bit of Lighthouse speculative theory:

Why would Natalee want to go see the Lighthouse in the dark? Why would anyone? I know it's a tourist attraction, but damn! It's just a lighthouse and other than to swarmy in all the historical energy from it, what's the big deal? It look like any other lighthouse and in fact not as cool as many others.....UNLESS someone could take you inside it? No man's land where not just anyone can go because it's been locked up for years?

Lighthouses have basements and tunnels. What if Joran knew where to access this area and promised to take Natalee inside it? What if this 'way area' of which Jossy speaks is an area where the tunnels open out?

I'm not saying I believe Joran lost his shoe right there in between those rocks. But I am saying that after all this time someone may have planted it there because they know there is more evidence inside the lighthouse and are hoping for a search of the inside/basement/tunnels.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 12:48:58 PM
Interesting how this shoe brings the Kalpoes back into the focus.  Deepak drove to the lighthouse...they never said they left Joran and Natalee there....oh woe to this shoe...the shoes, the shoes...it's always the shoes. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 12:49:39 PM
Janet - good to have you back in the "cage"  ::MonkeyWink::

Posted at RU:

Quote from: Pragmatist
Looking into my crystal ball:

I'm saying that is Joran's shoe, but it has not been there the entire time. Someone was holding it and planted it there. <-- that part I didn't get from my crystal ball. The weathering is wrong for it to have been out there 3 years. Duh.

Now for a bit of Lighthouse speculative theory:

Why would Natalee want to go see the Lighthouse in the dark? Why would anyone? I know it's a tourist attraction, but damn! It's just a lighthouse and other than to swarmy in all the historical energy from it, what's the big deal? It look like any other lighthouse and in fact not as cool as many others.....UNLESS someone could take you inside it? No man's land where not just anyone can go because it's been locked up for years?

Lighthouses have basements and tunnels. What if Joran knew where to access this area and promised to take Natalee inside it? What if this 'way area' of which Jossy speaks is an area where the tunnels open out?

I'm not saying I believe Joran lost his shoe right there in between those rocks. But I am saying that after all this time someone may have planted it there because they know there is more evidence inside the lighthouse and are hoping for a search of the inside/basement/tunnels.


Sort of like a maze of tunnels... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 12:51:15 PM
Janet - good to have you back in the "cage"  ::MonkeyWink::

Posted at RU:

Quote from: Pragmatist
Looking into my crystal ball:

I'm saying that is Joran's shoe, but it has not been there the entire time. Someone was holding it and planted it there. <-- that part I didn't get from my crystal ball. The weathering is wrong for it to have been out there 3 years. Duh.

Now for a bit of Lighthouse speculative theory:

Why would Natalee want to go see the Lighthouse in the dark? Why would anyone? I know it's a tourist attraction, but damn! It's just a lighthouse and other than to swarmy in all the historical energy from it, what's the big deal? It look like any other lighthouse and in fact not as cool as many others.....UNLESS someone could take you inside it? No man's land where not just anyone can go because it's been locked up for years?

Lighthouses have basements and tunnels. What if Joran knew where to access this area and promised to take Natalee inside it? What if this 'way area' of which Jossy speaks is an area where the tunnels open out?

I'm not saying I believe Joran lost his shoe right there in between those rocks. But I am saying that after all this time someone may have planted it there because they know there is more evidence inside the lighthouse and are hoping for a search of the inside/basement/tunnels.
Could be!! I kinda think the shoe was planted and everything found along it is giving us clues. The LOCATION of where it was found could mean something too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
GOODNIGHT ALL

As you say, it could be a cruel hoax, however the rock looking object just below the toe area of the shoe appears to be a vaacum
packed "brick" of pieces of the victims clothing.  When enlarged in certain manners it shows the hearts, on the darker cloth and the small hearts on the white background cloth as well as pieces of the stripes.  Strange.  The sneaker does show a very light pattern on the toe area that I worked up on some shoes earlier that does fit a pattern of an injury to what appeared to be on the head and on the skull area.  Wheather this is blood or not, or even human blood, it has characteristics of it.  I do not remember noticing the seams in the other shoes I was looking at, but seeing as how there were attempted alterations in the pasted in picture of joran "dancing" on a stage that NH was supposed to have been on, anything is likely.
I believe their mockery of this victim and her family is going to be their downfall eventually.  Someone may have kept these until recently and blackmailed the VDs with it as a life presever to keep from being killed.  This bunch of thugs are dreadful human specimens and I would venture to say they have barely evolved into human beings.   Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:07:56 PM
Mum, is that the REAL reason the lighthouse is locked? tunnels underneath?

I have been to the lighthouse a few times, so, I have seen it.... and you don't just start the construction on ground level. That would be very poor construction techniques. Simply building it at ground level would subject to tipping / toppling over...over time, of course.

therefore, it must have a base that is concealed under the ground. The actual foundation must be concealed and there could be a series of tunnels originally used during construction.

I also wonder if any tunnels may connect to the restaurant located near by...

also, when I was playing golf at Tierra Del Sol, I noticed a lot of openings in the cliff-side that separates the lighthouse and the golf course. The legendary goats hang out on those small cliffs and there are what look like cave openings.

Cave opening usually have tunnels, which could lead right under the lighthouse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:11:04 PM
Mum, is that the REAL reason the lighthouse is locked? tunnels underneath?

I have been to the lighthouse a few times, so, I have seen it.... and you don't just start the construction on ground level. That would be very poor construction techniques. Simply building it at ground level would subject to tipping / toppling over...over time, of course.

therefore, it must have a base that is concealed under the ground. The actual foundation must be concealed and there could be a series of tunnels originally used during construction.

I also wonder if any tunnels may connect to the restaurant located near by...

also, when I was playing golf at Tierra Del Sol, I noticed a lot of openings in the cliff-side that separates the lighthouse and the golf course. The legendary goats hang out on those small cliffs and there are what look like cave openings.

Cave opening usually have tunnels, which could lead right under the lighthouse.

just to add, I saw TES all over that area and on the golf course. That was the morning I ran into them at the Dunkin Donuts across from the Playa Linda.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 01:13:42 PM
I'm intrigued about Mum's "maze" of tunnels post!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:19:22 PM
Mum, is that the REAL reason the lighthouse is locked? tunnels underneath?

I have been to the lighthouse a few times, so, I have seen it.... and you don't just start the construction on ground level. That would be very poor construction techniques. Simply building it at ground level would subject to tipping / toppling over...over time, of course.

therefore, it must have a base that is concealed under the ground. The actual foundation must be concealed and there could be a series of tunnels originally used during construction.

I also wonder if any tunnels may connect to the restaurant located near by...

also, when I was playing golf at Tierra Del Sol, I noticed a lot of openings in the cliff-side that separates the lighthouse and the golf course. The legendary goats hang out on those small cliffs and there are what look like cave openings.

Cave opening usually have tunnels, which could lead right under the lighthouse.

Good thinking about the construction Rob! I just saw this morning that the Security guard from the lighthouse was questioned early on, just put it down to the fact that they said they went there!

Just posted about the lighthouse in Shango...LOL...I was reading some old front page a couple of days back and the lighthouse came to mind


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 01:20:45 PM
I'm intrigued about Mum's "maze" of tunnels post!

Me too Wreck...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Sue on May 30, 2008, 01:21:57 PM
Can Dana do a show and have Jossy on and ask
him about these tunnels and underground areas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:22:41 PM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


I am not into hitting women, but that bee aytch needs to be backslapped bad.  That Glenda is a disgrace to womanhood.  jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:24:04 PM
Really early on! Must knock off at around 11PM?????????

Name: Franklin Ireno Albertus
Date: 01 June 2005 / 23:25
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator Angelo Anthony & Jonathan Orman
Description: witness statement by a California Lighthouse security guard


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 01:26:01 PM
I can’t help but be concerned in regards to Nelson Oduber’s reaction. Pray for the one publication in Aruba and it’s editor who is  willing to take a stand for freedom of expression … a right afforded to every Aruban citizen under Dutch law.

Janet
________________

Amigoe, April 4, 2007: Diario turns to Queen

ORANJESTAD - In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ’safeguard our constitutional rights’.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/06/aruba-hypocrites-mep-oduber-call-for-call-for-boycott-of-diario/

++++++++++++

Amigoe, June 29, 2007: Oduber looses case against Diario

“I have lost enough time in this case already. It has become clear to me that everybody can publish anything they want about the government, and not be prosecuted. We have actually been outlawed.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/aruban-prime-minister-in-defeat-still-does-not-understand-freedom-of-the-press-oduber-loses-to-diario/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:26:08 PM
I'm intrigued about Mum's "maze" of tunnels post!

Me too Wreck...


Too much time in the Shango thread.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 01:26:27 PM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


I am not into hitting women, but that bee aytch needs to be backslapped bad.  That Glenda is a disgrace to womanhood.  jackb
Nothing burns me up more than the "YOU screwed up ..... you trusted US" line!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:30:26 PM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.

It very well could be the real mccoy, as you say.  Since there is one.
The other one is where NH is.  I believe that.  jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
Mum, is that the REAL reason the lighthouse is locked? tunnels underneath?

I have been to the lighthouse a few times, so, I have seen it.... and you don't just start the construction on ground level. That would be very poor construction techniques. Simply building it at ground level would subject to tipping / toppling over...over time, of course.

therefore, it must have a base that is concealed under the ground. The actual foundation must be concealed and there could be a series of tunnels originally used during construction.

I also wonder if any tunnels may connect to the restaurant located near by...

also, when I was playing golf at Tierra Del Sol, I noticed a lot of openings in the cliff-side that separates the lighthouse and the golf course. The legendary goats hang out on those small cliffs and there are what look like cave openings.

Cave opening usually have tunnels, which could lead right under the lighthouse.

Good thinking about the construction Rob! I just saw this morning that the Security guard from the lighthouse was questioned early on, just put it down to the fact that they said they went there!

Just posted about the lighthouse in Shango...LOL...I was reading some old front page a couple of days back and the lighthouse came to mind

http://tinyurl.com/5pw6o8

Northside Attractions

Northward past the swank Beverly Hills of Aruba neighborhood, the California Lighthouse stands 125 feet (38m) tall atop rugged, desolate terrain. To the west, a German freighter, Antilla, lies in 43 feet (13m) of water, sunk by its captain in World War II to avoid confiscation. Today, its cargo includes colorful tropical fish that attract scuba divers to the popular site. Nearby, you can visit gold mine ruins and the hilltop 18th-century Chapel of Alto Vista, the road down from which is lined with white stations of the cross wreathed in flowers.

Patti would love this one -
Indian Caves

Fontein Caves are inscribed with what guides tell you are Amerindian drawings, but it's also said that the markings were created for a much more recent movie filming. Guides also say that the natural caves were once used by Arawaks for shelter and sacrificing virgins. Guadirikiri and Huliba caves are less synthetic tourist attractions. The Indian Caves are found near Aruba's northeast coast.


if the lighthouse is 125 feet tall, it would need a base of at least 35 feet... maybe someone with an architectural degree would know more.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:32:35 PM
Can Dana do a show and have Jossy on and ask
him about these tunnels and underground areas

great idea Sue!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
Can Dana do a show and have Jossy on and ask
him about these tunnels and underground areas

great idea Sue!!!

Email Dana and Red:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com
red@scaredmonkeys.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:36:19 PM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.

It very well could be the real mccoy, as you say.  Since there is one.
The other one is where NH is.  I believe that.  jackb

I think it is very telling renho is not announcing it is a fake. Even RU is speculating on the shoe.

I am leaning towards it was found long ago, tucked away, and just brought out and planted. If so, there may be a good chance any dna on the shoe is not too degraded.

We can only hope and pray this leads us to justice.


hmmm....maybe satish DID go back and collect the shoe? Kept it for safe keeping??!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Kiwi on May 30, 2008, 01:38:10 PM
Hi all, I'm way behind on the tennis shoe. Has anyone checked when the tennis shoe was made? They have a stamp inside that identifies its production run. That would help prior to checking DNA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:38:31 PM
While we are asking questions...can a techie please tell me what the MAS (SMS) system is that Deepak referred to in Blonde's post? I sent him a message via the M.A.S. System of Setar...TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: dennisintn on May 30, 2008, 01:38:33 PM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


I am not into hitting women, but that bee aytch needs to be backslapped bad.  That Glenda is a disgrace to womanhood.  jackb
Nothing burns me up more than the "YOU screwed up ..... you trusted US" line!!

there is no telling how many tourists hear that line a day on the happy island. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:39:49 PM
Can Dana do a show and have Jossy on and ask
him about these tunnels and underground areas

great idea Sue!!!

Email Dana and Red:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com
red@scaredmonkeys.com

I just wrote to Dana!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:42:18 PM
I can’t help but be concerned in regards to Nelson Oduber’s reaction. Pray for the one publication in Aruba and it’s editor who is  willing to take a stand for freedom of expression … a right afforded to every Aruban citizen under Dutch law.

Janet
________________

Amigoe, April 4, 2007: Diario turns to Queen

ORANJESTAD - In an open letter, staff and management of the morning paper Diario have asked the Queen’s attention for the commercial boycott called by the MEP and her leader, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

MEP demanded the owner and also director and chief editor Jossy Mansur to publicly apologize to MEP and premier Oduber for all the articles he has published with the intention to damage the reputation of the government and MEP. Mansur has till last Monday to do this, otherwise, the MEP will announce a boycott against Diario.

Since Mansur ignored MEP’s ultimatum, the party decided on a total boycott of the newspaper. No information must be given to Diario. MEP-member had to cancel their subscription as per immediate.. They are also not allowed to buy the paper separately. They cannot place ads in the Diario That’s the reason for Diario’s letter to the Queen. He expressed his concern in this letter and asks the Queen to ’safeguard our constitutional rights’.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/06/aruba-hypocrites-mep-oduber-call-for-call-for-boycott-of-diario/

++++++++++++

Amigoe, June 29, 2007: Oduber looses case against Diario

“I have lost enough time in this case already. It has become clear to me that everybody can publish anything they want about the government, and not be prosecuted. We have actually been outlawed.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/29/aruban-prime-minister-in-defeat-still-does-not-understand-freedom-of-the-press-oduber-loses-to-diario/



I posted this from Wiki the other day in Shango...Almost sounds a little childish...

Newspaper editor Jossy Mansur

Mansur is known for his weekly editorials which are often critical of the local government of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. The ongoing disagreement between Mansur and Oduber dates back many years. During the election campaign in 2001, Oduber's party even had stickers made stating "Don’t believe Diario."[17]

Mansur has strongly advocated a point of view in the cases of Eduardo Mathew and Natalee Holloway. He appeared regularly on Fox News and Nancy Grace's CNN Headline News show commenting on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005. Mansur formed his own "investigative team" and his newspaper repeatedly published new leads.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 01:42:51 PM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


I am not into hitting women, but that bee aytch needs to be backslapped bad.  That Glenda is a disgrace to womanhood.  jackb
Nothing burns me up more than the "YOU screwed up ..... you trusted US" line!!

there is no telling how many tourists hear that line a day on the happy island. 
dennisintn
It should be their motto!! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 01:43:23 PM
Julia Renfro (Glenda) at RU   April 13, 2008.  You be the judge of the "new" island story line.:

It was bad luck for the van der Sloots that Anita was in Holland that weekend and left her 17 year old son to make bad decisions at home with out her permission in his own country.

And worse luck for the Holloway family that Natalee's mother Beth made a very poor decision and signed a waiver releasing everyone she was with the responsibility of her minor daughter while Beth purchased and gave permission for Natalee to go on an all-inclusive all-the-alcohol-you-can-drink vacation to another country where the laws different. Shocked

In Alabama it is illegal to purchase alcohol for a minor. Beth Purchased 5 days of all her minor child could possibly drink which resulted in Natalee missing.


I am not into hitting women, but that bee aytch needs to be backslapped bad.  That Glenda is a disgrace to womanhood.  jackb
Nothing burns me up more than the "YOU screwed up ..... you trusted US" line!!

there is no telling how many tourists hear that line a day on the happy island. 
dennisintn


funny...just mentioned to someone I could hop a plane right now and knock her lights out. Yes chunkierat...more violence!! Sorry, that is one wench who deserves it!!

But then again...she HAS to defend one of the most horrible creatures in the world..joran...don't forget she is the star of the "documentary" and dammit, she wants her 15 minutes of fame!!!! Did her hair and make up and all...didn't help...but she tried!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
Wow!!!!!  Janet....so glad to see you!!!

I have a question...it concerns the ATM withdrawals again...I know it's not a good subject because we all argue over it...but I just recently read something that made me wish you were here to help me...

It said that Geraldo was the person that told us about the ATM transaction...do you by any chance have any proof of that from a media source?  I have wanted to prove that as being a legitimate statement for a while now.....Oh my!  Did I tell you I am glad you dropped in today? Thanks for any help.



Thank you Lala'sMom.

From the getgo ... the "rumor" was that there was two ATM transactions at MacDonalds by Paulus between 3:00 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.  I do not have any backup.

Janet

+++++++++++

The Deposit That Wasn't
What Was Paulus van der Sloot Really Doing at the Bank?


Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336093#msg336093



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 01:44:09 PM
Quote
It should be their motto!!
....or on a sign at the airport for departing flights!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:44:38 PM
The old stone California lighthouse stands as a silent sentry in the area known as "Hudishibana," near the island's northwestern tip. The lighthouse is named for the U.S ship - the California - which sunk about two years previous to its construction in 1910. The site offers spectacular sunsets as the final shades of sunshine give way to a brilliant azure canopy. Perched on a high seaside elevation, the lighthouse has become one of Aruba's scenic trademarks and offers a picture perfect view of the island's western coastline of sandy beaches, rolling sand dunes and rocky coral shorelines.

http://www.aruba.com/whattodo/californialighthouse.php

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if built in 1910, and I see no reason believe it was not... I doubt it has a steel skeleton and most likely made from stone.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 01:45:15 PM
Remember my vision about Natalee being buried under the Lighthouse steps which is why I came to post at Scared Monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I found a phone number - I calling now


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 01:46:22 PM
Mazes and tunnels....oh the tangled Shango web we weave. Mum and I have been in the Shango Maze too long now.   :roll:


Shoes...

ALE to Jaime....Did Joran ask you to hold something for him? 

Joran to Sander...what do you mean you lost your phone?  I just lost Val's phone too.  We are so screwed!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Wow!!!!!  Janet....so glad to see you!!!

I have a question...it concerns the ATM withdrawals again...I know it's not a good subject because we all argue over it...but I just recently read something that made me wish you were here to help me...

It said that Geraldo was the person that told us about the ATM transaction...do you by any chance have any proof of that from a media source?  I have wanted to prove that as being a legitimate statement for a while now.....Oh my!  Did I tell you I am glad you dropped in today? Thanks for any help.



Thank you Lala'sMom.

From the getgo ... the "rumor" was that there was two ATM transactions at MacDonalds by Paulus between 3:00 AM and 4:00 AM on the morning that Natalee Holloway went missing.  I do not have any backup.

Janet

+++++++++++

The Deposit That Wasn't
What Was Paulus van der Sloot Really Doing at the Bank?


Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2561.msg336093#msg336093



Thanks.  If you ever find anything concerning Geraldo stating the ATM transaction was reported to him...please let me know. I am eager to nail that one down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 01:49:54 PM
ok, here's why it was locked... someone went up on top and jumped.

and they did dig underneath it, but the lady, and then the guy, I spoke to did not know how deep.

297-5860786

special on goat stew today  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 01:52:11 PM
Remember my vision about Natalee being buried under the Lighthouse steps which is why I came to post at Scared Monkeys.

Yes Always 1 - you've been posting that "vision" on the front page of SM for as long as you have been posting. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Sue on May 30, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
Can Dana do a show and have Jossy on and ask
him about these tunnels and underground areas

great idea Sue!!!

Email Dana and Red:

dana@scaredmonkeys.com
red@scaredmonkeys.com
[/quote

okie emailed them both asking.. I think Jossy could anwer many questions we have about that area


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 01:53:56 PM
Here is my opinion of the sneakers.  Without any additional supporting evidence and forensics...which we know will not happen...those shoes are useless...if they have been there for 3 years...then it 's too late...again...to use them.  Those shoes are not even dirty on the inside...on an island like that...everything has sand and grit blown into them if they are exposed for 3 years to the elements.

If those shoes have been hidden all this time and kept secret...that is too bad too.  The person that had them would need to declare on record that they were Joran's and that they had held them all this time...not going to happen...they would implicte themselves in the crime. 

Remember this...."one witness is no witness" ...one piece of evidence is not evidence without proof.  My old adage creeping in again...prove it belongs to Joran...won't happen...not on Aruba.

You are totally wrong on this one.  One SNEAKER.  The evidence is more or less preserved.  His DNA will show up as well as NH if it is hers.  There needs to be NO witness for this to happen as the blood will cry out.  This could be something.  The other shoe is with NH most likely.  jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
ok, here's why it was locked... someone went up on top and jumped.

and they did dig underneath it, but the lady, and then the guy, I spoke to did not know how deep.

297-5860786

special on goat stew today  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


In Plain View it says....

http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/calif.html


California Lighthouse
Aruba
In November on 1997, my new wife and I were fortunate enough to honeymoon in the tropics of Aruba. While enjoying the pleasures of the island, we made it a point to seek out and find the California Lighthouse. On a jeep tour of the island, we drove to the north western tip where we could drive up to the base of the lighthouse. The lighthouse was built between 1914 and 1916 on a small plateau named Hudishibana, and Aruban Indian name. The lighthouse was named after a steamship which wrecked just off the coast on September 23, 1891.

The lighthouse stands a couple of hundred yards from the Tierra del Sol Golf Course, in plain view of the town of Malmok. Adjacent to the tower are the famous California sand dunes.

The lighthouse is not open to the public, the massive door at the base is securely locked so as not to allow entry. On close inspection, one can see that the windows have been cracked and some have holes. There are streaks of rust that run down the sides of the tower from the lantern room that look like the tracks of tears from a run down tower.I think it would be great to see this tower refurbished and brought back to its glory.





Directions: the island of Aruba is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide. Take either 1B or 2B all the way to Malmok. From Malmok you will be able to see the tower in the north.


Click here for an interesting page that sells a collectible of this lighthouse


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 02:00:51 PM
Mum, not that it matters really, but the lady I spoke to first said that lighthouse had undergone several re-constructions... I did hear her say the date 1952 and a few others, but wasn't really paying attention as I was trying to find out about what is underneath.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:09:48 PM
Well, in my defense, Waterboy reported a tunnel under the lighthouse and Joran was supposed to have a key on that fateful nite, but I am fllattered you remember my posts in all your reading.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 02:10:52 PM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.

It very well could be the real mccoy, as you say.  Since there is one.
The other one is where NH is.  I believe that.  jackb

I think it is very telling renho is not announcing it is a fake. Even RU is speculating on the shoe.

I am leaning towards it was found long ago, tucked away, and just brought out and planted. If so, there may be a good chance any dna on the shoe is not too degraded.

We can only hope and pray this leads us to justice.


hmmm....maybe satish DID go back and collect the shoe? Kept it for safe keeping??!!

I think this evidence was some taken by the ALE.  Remember one shoe was picked up by ALE.  It looks quite preserved and either they brought it out and placed it or someone may have preserved it somewhat.  There is the question I have of what may be a brick of vaacum packed pieces of fabric just below the shoe to the readers right.  Sort of square and at first glance appears to be a rock.  jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 02:11:43 PM
ok, here's why it was locked... someone went up on top and jumped.

and they did dig underneath it, but the lady, and then the guy, I spoke to did not know how deep.

297-5860786

special on goat stew today  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


In Plain View it says....

http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/calif.html


California Lighthouse
Aruba
In November on 1997, my new wife and I were fortunate enough to honeymoon in the tropics of Aruba. While enjoying the pleasures of the island, we made it a point to seek out and find the California Lighthouse. On a jeep tour of the island, we drove to the north western tip where we could drive up to the base of the lighthouse. The lighthouse was built between 1914 and 1916 on a small plateau named Hudishibana, and Aruban Indian name. The lighthouse was named after a steamship which wrecked just off the coast on September 23, 1891.

The lighthouse stands a couple of hundred yards from the Tierra del Sol Golf Course, in plain view of the town of Malmok. Adjacent to the tower are the famous California sand dunes.

The lighthouse is not open to the public, the massive door at the base is securely locked so as not to allow entry. On close inspection, one can see that the windows have been cracked and some have holes. There are streaks of rust that run down the sides of the tower from the lantern room that look like the tracks of tears from a run down tower.I think it would be great to see this tower refurbished and brought back to its glory.





Directions: the island of Aruba is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide. Take either 1B or 2B all the way to Malmok. From Malmok you will be able to see the tower in the north.


Click here for an interesting page that sells a collectible of this lighthouse


In PLAIN VIEW of MALMOK (where Koen and Sander lived)  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 02:13:52 PM
Well, in my defense, Waterboy reported a tunnel under the lighthouse and Joran was supposed to have a key on that fateful nite, but I am fllattered you remember my posts in all your reading.

I process most of the front page posts before they go through, so I at least have to "scan" them first prior to approving.  I do remember your posts about the lighthouse though because I've always believed they did go to the Lighthouse area and the Rock Area nearby.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:19:15 PM
I believe we all have to be worried that the shoe does not end up where the "belt" ended up... right?

Lala's is right about being cautious --

But I do disagree on the evidence point...

IF there is a dna match to Joran (His shoe) and IF there is a dna match to Natalee (blood if it exists) and IF a forensic lab determines it is vintage 2005 then this is enough to establsh not only habeas corpus (in the form of the blood) but also incriminating evidence that joran is involved (in the form of HIS shoe)... This, combined with the OTHER evidence ALE has in it's arsenal could hang him very very high... The shoe size, in my opinion, is no longer a defense because the shoe show curling... I am sure an expert can be called to substantiate what happens to shoes when they are too large...

Which leads us to this -- and I believe Lala's point:  Who?

Who had the shoe and why?

Certainly the case could conceivably be tried on the shoe alone if it matches the above criteria... but the chances of conviction are not as great... wjy?  The person who planted the shoe is a major witness... the "slam dunk" if it will... Joran is toast if all the conditions of the above are met AND the witness comes forward...

That is exactly what is likely to happen. Sorry for my pessimism, but how many times have we seen this happen before? If someone truly had evidence(sneaker) why would they leave it for ALE to find ?or for someone to find it and turn it over to ALE? Equusearch has been on the island for weeks, Tim again recently in Aruba........ 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 02:21:16 PM
ok, here's why it was locked... someone went up on top and jumped.

and they did dig underneath it, but the lady, and then the guy, I spoke to did not know how deep.

297-5860786

special on goat stew today  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


In Plain View it says....

http://www.thejanskys.org/lighthouse/Other/calif.html


California Lighthouse
Aruba
In November on 1997, my new wife and I were fortunate enough to honeymoon in the tropics of Aruba. While enjoying the pleasures of the island, we made it a point to seek out and find the California Lighthouse. On a jeep tour of the island, we drove to the north western tip where we could drive up to the base of the lighthouse. The lighthouse was built between 1914 and 1916 on a small plateau named Hudishibana, and Aruban Indian name. The lighthouse was named after a steamship which wrecked just off the coast on September 23, 1891.

The lighthouse stands a couple of hundred yards from the Tierra del Sol Golf Course, in plain view of the town of Malmok. Adjacent to the tower are the famous California sand dunes.

The lighthouse is not open to the public, the massive door at the base is securely locked so as not to allow entry. On close inspection, one can see that the windows have been cracked and some have holes. There are streaks of rust that run down the sides of the tower from the lantern room that look like the tracks of tears from a run down tower.I think it would be great to see this tower refurbished and brought back to its glory.





Directions: the island of Aruba is 19 miles long by 6 miles wide. Take either 1B or 2B all the way to Malmok. From Malmok you will be able to see the tower in the north.


Click here for an interesting page that sells a collectible of this lighthouse


In PLAIN VIEW of MALMOK (where Koen and Sander lived)  ::MonkeyEek::

I saw that as soon as I hit post...Hmmmmm!!!! Koen has the alibi so tight!!!! (I think)!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.

I recall the first 2 but don't remember any dead guy? were these 3 thing found at the same time?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 02:24:23 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them.  Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse.  How do you find a good Italian when you need one?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
I found a phone number - I calling now

You Go Rob....Klaas...I thoink Rob needs his own little switchboard...LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Kiwi on May 30, 2008, 02:36:51 PM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...

After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



I know what you are saying....that someone had the real shoe and planted it there to be found? Unfortunately, without the person coming foward to verbally confirm where the shoe was aquired it raises many more questions that it answers.

It very well could be the real mccoy, as you say.  Since there is one.
The other one is where NH is.  I believe that.  jackb

I think it is very telling renho is not announcing it is a fake. Even RU is speculating on the shoe.

I am leaning towards it was found long ago, tucked away, and just brought out and planted. If so, there may be a good chance any dna on the shoe is not too degraded.

We can only hope and pray this leads us to justice.


hmmm....maybe satish DID go back and collect the shoe? Kept it for safe keeping??!!

I think this evidence was some taken by the ALE.  Remember one shoe was picked up by ALE.  It looks quite preserved and either they brought it out and placed it or someone may have preserved it somewhat.  There is the question I have of what may be a brick of vaacum packed pieces of fabric just below the shoe to the readers right.  Sort of square and at first glance appears to be a rock.  jackb
Unknown what that is. Do agree that the items look placed, rather than just fell there. Plus it doesn't look weathered enough. Still always hopeful that it belongs to Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:37:15 PM
Thank you Destiny and ... all Monkeys who contributed to the Diario letter.

It was excellent!!!

Janet

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!


Good Morning!  I told them not to wake you!  LOL

Mum ... I did not mind at all.  This letter was the best wake up call ever.  It cleared the cobwebs ... gave me a buzz and ... I have yet to have my first cuppa of coffee.

Now I better think about getting out of my flannel nighty and combing my bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight!

Janet
9:20 AM

Janets back ! Janets back! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

Now where is Robots? Robots please get in here! Ok I will have to do my best impersonation. Come on Robots Robots Robots you know you want to tell us about those sneakers..........


i hate them all so much

i really do

and i dont ask for forgiveness from the man upstairs when it comes to hating JERK OFFS like these people

he will deal with me... in his way.. and i accept the punishment for hating them



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:38:31 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them.  Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse.  How do you find a good Italian when you need one?

I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them.  Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse.  How do you find a good Italian when you need one?

I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....

Don't see any cell towers either......http://iweb.tntech.edu/bmohr/lighthouse1.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 02:44:38 PM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.

I recall the first 2 but don't remember any dead guy? were these 3 thing found at the same time?

all found in that pond during that search after it was drained.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 02:44:43 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them.  Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse.  How do you find a good Italian when you need one?

I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....

Here is one of the links Crossbow posted on the front page of SM (I don't see a mine):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbglasson/306521513/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 02:59:32 PM
Crossbow has a great picture of the Lighthouse, the communication tower, and the mines near them.  Maybe there is a tunnel from the mines to the Lighthouse.  How do you find a good Italian when you need one?

I don't know of any mines near the lighthouse, would love to see a pic pretty please.....

Here is one of the links Crossbow posted on the front page of SM (I don't see a mine):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbglasson/306521513/



Oh I see thanks Klaas it is on the Tierra del Sol side. Is that where the tunnel is?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 03:02:29 PM
BB - I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 03:07:05 PM
The mines are just on the other side of the tower, not in that picture.  Remember when Marian said "look tomorrow for the palace will rumble.  Eyes burning in the Xenon. Well, I thought maybe Xenon gas came out from the mines, but now i remember Xenon lights are on most military vechicles.. And when they talk about the bird on the wire.  when I worked in communications at AA, we referred to a bird on the wire when the communication was garbled.  When Marian talks about the owner of the block and hammer, I thought she may have been talking about the owner of a very exclusive Jewelry store in Aruba not a blacksmith.  And when they said yellow jacket, I thought maybe Dirty Hand could belong to the Lions of The Netherlands, thus America would be so reluctant to make waves....Well, I could go on and on but make make lunch for mum....ttyl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 03:09:10 PM
ladies and gentlemen, remember when they drained the pond at the Marriott they found the machete, the purse filled with rocks and the dead guy who was missing for a few years. They seem to have stumbled onto all of those items.


I recall the first 2 but don't remember any dead guy? were these 3 thing found at the same time?

all found in that pond during that search after it was drained.
I read about 3 mos or so, plus or minus about a "tourist" finding a shoe.  I am thinking it is the same one.  If so this knowledge has been known for awhile.  Perhaps it is coming out because it will be announced there is evidence pretty soon.  Maybe, who knows?
Jackb



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 03:15:38 PM
BB - I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines  ::MonkeyWink::

Ok I'll keep digging (no pun intended).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 03:21:26 PM
Just posted at BFN - Joran's 5/31/05 statements  ::MonkeyShocked:: :

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/statements/joran053105-6.jpg)
 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/statements/joran053105-1.jpg)
 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/statements/joran053105-2.jpg)
 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/statements/joran053105-3.jpg)
 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/statements/joran053105-4.jpg)
 
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/statements/joran053105-5.jpg)
 
 
Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
----------------------------------
 
We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

Born in the Netherlands on August 6, 1987, student (International School Aruba) and living on the address Montanja Number 19 Aruba.

His, in Papiamento made statement was by me, KELLY, translated into Dutch, and is as follows:

"Last Sunday around 4 pm I had went to the Excelsior Casino. My father had brought me there. I was at the casino to play "Texas Hold'em".

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

Around 10:30 pm she had told me to go to Carlos and Charlie's. I answered her that I could not go because I had school the next day. She kept on insisting to me going to Carlos and Charlie's. After that I had said that I would go to Carlos and Charlie's.  I had also told her that I would go together with a friend. I have to point out that the girl was drinking white wine while we were in the casino.

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home.  Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking.  The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok.  The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him.  In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car.  All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by.  In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels.  In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.  In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation.  She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

On your question if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt. (with the girl the missing woman Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is referred to, remark by JACOBS).

On your question if I together with the girl had used drugs I answer you no. I also did not see the girl using drugs.

If you have more questions I am willing to answer these.

signed: J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After witness J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he declared that he insisted in that and signed it.

Of which we, verbalisanten, under oath made this PV, closed and signed on Bubali, on Aruba on May 31 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 03:21:32 PM
BB - I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines  ::MonkeyWink::

Ok I'll keep digging (no pun intended).


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: On Robots bb...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 03:31:28 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 03:33:09 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???

I meant to say - to make sure it's correct???

I keep hitting the wrong key.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 03:34:02 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???

Yes, interresting how BFN suddenly posts this statement.  To my knowledge the family did not have this statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 03:35:43 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???

I meant to say - to make sure it's correct???

I keep hitting the wrong key.

I knew what you meant Rob...got to reread! And I agree!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 03:35:56 PM
Klaas ... please read my message prior to posting my last submission on the latest FP Blog ... the blog regarding Trinity United ... Obama's "former" church.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 03:38:04 PM
BB - I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines  ::MonkeyWink::

Ok I'll keep digging (no pun intended).


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: On Robots bb...


Joran has a "mobile" phone.  To me that sounds like a car "phone."
Do some of the sloots have a car phone?  Usually a cell phone is referred to as a cell phone.  Jack b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 03:38:55 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???

Yes, interresting how BFN suddenly posts this statement.  To my knowledge the family did not have this statement.


Hmmmm! and this must be the second statement as Beth saw the first one all crumpled up! Only Deepak's said 'first statement as a suspect'!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 03:41:27 PM
BB - I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines  ::MonkeyWink::

Ok I'll keep digging (no pun intended).


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: On Robots bb...


Joran has a "mobile" phone.  To me that sounds like a car "phone."
Do some of the sloots have a car phone?  Usually a cell phone is referred to as a cell phone.  Jack b


Called a "mobile phone" in some other countries jackb  ::MonkeyWink::

Don't know why - it takes longer to say!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 03:41:49 PM
Klaas, can you email me please...I don't have your email addy on this computer obviously.

TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 03:41:51 PM
Klaas ... please read my message prior to posting my last submission on the latest FP Blog ... the blog regarding Trinity United ... Obama's "former" church.

Thanks

Janet

I think I got it right, didn't I?  I posted the 2nd post and deleted the first and your request.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 03:43:56 PM
Good point of Pita's at BFN:

Hmmm....I'm thinking this is the second statement taken from Joran on May 31, 2005 .  Perhaps a cover for the torn up PV of the same date Beth saw on Jacob's desk?!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 03:45:31 PM
Klaas, can you email me please...I don't have your email addy on this computer obviously.

TIA
Done  ::MonkeyWink::  Although, I'm also on a new PC but I think I remembered your email addy correctly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 03:45:40 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???

I meant to say - to make sure it's correct???

I keep hitting the wrong key.

I knew what you meant Rob...got to reread! And I agree!!!!
So are we saying that this Joran 5/31 statement above has never been seen before????????? To paraphrase Tamikosmom (and welcome back!!): This is HUGE, Greta!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 03:46:07 PM
BB - I don't know anything about the possible tunnel or mines  ::MonkeyWink::

Ok I'll keep digging (no pun intended).


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: On Robots bb...


Joran has a "mobile" phone.  To me that sounds like a car "phone."
Do some of the sloots have a car phone?  Usually a cell phone is referred to as a cell phone.  Jack b
To answer my own question about mobile phones:

mobile phone Last modified: Friday, September 22, 2006   
 

 
 
An electronic telecommunications device, often referred to as a cellular phone or cellphone. Mobile phones connect to a wireless communications network through radio wave or satellite transmissions. Most mobile phones provide voice communications, Short Message Service (SMS), Multimedia Message Service (MMS),  and newer phones may also provide Internet services such as Web browsing and e-mail.
Again, Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 03:57:35 PM
Looks like they all had two…scratch what I said earlier…confusing dates….among other things

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 31 May 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs
Description: statement of S.S. Kalpoe as a witness
Responsive to Requests 26 and 39

Name: Satish Kalpoe
Date: 31 May 2005
Pages: 7 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp & Marcelino Ras
Description: statement of S.S. Kalpoe as a witness and indication of an area
Responsive to Requests 26 and 39

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 31 May 2005115:30
Pages: 6
Writerlinitiator: Dennis Jacobs & Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement by D. S. Kalpoe given as a witness
Responsive to Requests 25 and 38

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 31 May 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 6 (1 Attachment)
Writer/Initiator: Ghrizanti Tromp/ Marcelino Ras
Description: Witness statement by D.S. Kalpoe/indication of an area
Responsive to Requests 25 and 38

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 / 11;20
Pages: 6 (1 attachment)
Writer/Initiator: Marcelino Ras I Ghrizanti Tromp
Description: statement as a witness and indication of an area




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 03:59:59 PM
Good point of Pita's at BFN:

Hmmm....I'm thinking this is the second statement taken from Joran on May 31, 2005 .  Perhaps a cover for the torn up PV of the same date Beth saw on Jacob's desk?!

I'm thinking exactly the same thing and was thinking this as I read it. This is the sanitized version.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 04:04:41 PM
Posted by Pita at BFN:

I wonder if this post has any relevance regarding the K-Swiss shoe?.......


he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 04:07:32 PM
Posted by Pita at BFN:

I wonder if this post has any relevance regarding the K-Swiss shoe?.......


he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474

Destiny calling Melody, Destiny calling Melody, !!! (needs to happen)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Pita on May 30, 2008, 04:09:57 PM
Posted by Pita at BFN:

I wonder if this post has any relevance regarding the K-Swiss shoe?.......


he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474

Destiny calling Melody, Destiny calling Melody, !!! (needs to happen)

Yes, I agree wreck!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 04:10:31 PM
Timing of the posting of the new statement is interesting, but I find nothing new in it really. If that one just srufaced I wonder how many more statements are actually in the possesion of someone who might be able to post?

I just want to remind everyone that the reason we are all here posting, searching is for justice for Natalee. Sometimes we all just need that reminder......letter to Diario (thank-you Destiny and others).....sneaker......Joran statement (thank-you Debbie). One big justice seeking mass..not separate. Thank-you all.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:14:22 PM
who was asked to hold something for Anita? I think there is a statement somewhere.

I think we were thinking camera at that time - but maybe it was the 'shoe'.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
Does Melody still have a myspace site? facebook? tickle?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 04:21:36 PM
Posted by Pita at BFN:

I wonder if this post has any relevance regarding the K-Swiss shoe?.......


he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474

Destiny calling Melody, Destiny calling Melody, !!! (needs to happen)

Anyone who has Melody's *full* name and phone # and address...get my email addy from Klaas and send ASAP...this is something I've been working on....TIA....Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 04:24:50 PM
So did the story in the paper say they have confiscated the shoe and are testing it?  When did that happen?  Where is the shoe now?  Another package from the Hague...waiting again...just waiting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 04:26:11 PM
I do not know where that declaration surfaced but ... I am positive that it is not Joran's declaration of May 31, 2005.

Janet

++++++++++

CLOTHING

1.  There is nothing about the clothing which Natalee wore.  Joran declares in his suspect statement of June 14, 2005 .... that he was questioned about what Natalee was wearing and ... contacted Deepak for verification.[/b]

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


During the interview I called Deepak on his mobile. I had asked him what clothes Natalee had been wearing that night. He told me that Natalee was wearing a blue skirt and a blue top. I also said to Deepak that the police would come and pick him to so that he could give a statement. Deepak had told me that he would come to the police station on his own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 04:26:12 PM
Does Melody still have a myspace site? facebook? tickle?

Excellent idea BB....does anyone have a *saved* tickle site of hers....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 04:30:11 PM
I do not know where that declaration surfaced but ... I am positive that it is not Joran's declaration of May 31, 2005.

Janet

++++++++++

FISHERMAN'S HUTS

There is nothing about being dropped off at the Fisherman's Huts by Deepak and Satish.  Deepak and Satish were both questioned about this in their May 31, 2005 witness statement ... statements that were taken following Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement.

Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.


Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2008, 04:31:24 PM
How many friends did Joran call while walking to McDonalds besides Deepak (& before his father picked him up)?....just not sure what's in statements at this moment....Jaime was another, right?

I guess I should have just researched before asking but have to go out in a bit and may not be able to stay on very long.....Been out of commission due to cable outage and then a bad modem, but have caught up, at least.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 04:33:17 PM
who was asked to hold something for Anita? I think there is a statement somewhere.

I think we were thinking camera at that time - but maybe it was the 'shoe'.


Lala's posted earlier that it was Jaime, Rob


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 04:33:52 PM
Does Melody still have a myspace site? facebook? tickle?

BB...IIRC...Melody...she is the girl that we were discussing if she had a son by Joran?

Damn...I've got notebooks stacked up all around me...yes...I still take hard copy notes....TIA  Des..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 04:34:58 PM
I do not know where that declaration surfaced but ... I am positive that it is not Joran's declaration of May 31, 2005.

Janet

++++++++++

JORAN'S MAY 31, 2005 STATEMENT - NOT GIVEN TO ATTORNEYS

3.  If Joran's May 31, 2005 had not been destroyed why was John Q. Kelly, the Kalpoe attorneys and the Security Guard's attorneys not given access to it.  Deepak, Kalpoe and the Security Guard's were implicated ... the criteria that implies their attorneys should have access to it.  The prosecutors offices stated that the reason the attorneys did not have access to Joran's May 31, 2005 was because their clients had not been implicated.


John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008


KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4


Vivian van der Biezen
Nancy Grace
June 10, 2005


VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 76


The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: igsigs on May 30, 2008, 04:35:02 PM
Kalpoes still holding back...

Shocked...they say. Shocked and dismayed that Joran told Freddy the beach story. Their little secret had a leak and they were upset with Joran for telling Freddy. Yet they express no concern when ALE asks them about Joran and Natalee in the water at the FH's Huts on 5/31. ALE already knew the beach story. The lie safer in the hands of ALE than Freddy? Maybe...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:36:29 PM
Janet, there is also no reference to the "seizure" that Jug and Beth are / were adamant that the ALE was asking about.

I contend that the real statement makes those direct and specific references.

Something is not jiving. I'm not saying that it's not authentic, because I believe it is. I'm just saying that is not Joran's first witness statement... a statement that need to be disappeared due to Joran's own admissions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 04:38:13 PM
Klass, with the appearance of that declaration and the shoe and the pond search - I'm getting the feeling this is it.

ohhh dear Lord - let this finally be it.

now, who is going to translate that thing?

caesu ???

Johan ???


I meant to say - to make sure it's correct???

I keep hitting the wrong key.

the translation seems pretty much correct after quickly scrolling through the texts.

if there are specific sentences who are extra important please point to them, then i will have a better look if that translation is entirely correct.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 04:38:53 PM
So did the story in the paper say they have confiscated the shoe and are testing it?  When did that happen?  Where is the shoe now?  Another package from the Hague...waiting again...just waiting.

I called today...was told that someone sent those photos to Jossy...along with some other info...they can't share right now....only got *vague* answers regarding the location of the shoe....they would only say that Jossy is *investigating* the case...I've talked with them many times...I *feel* they are sitting on something and connecting the dots...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 04:38:55 PM
How many friends did Joran call while walking to McDonalds besides Deepak (& before his father picked him up)?....just not sure what's in statements at this moment....Jaime was another, right?

I guess I should have just researched before asking but have to go out in a bit and may not be able to stay on very long.....Been out of commission due to cable outage and then a bad modem, but have caught up, at least.

Hi 2NJSons...Jaime at 4PM...IIRC


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:43:40 PM
How many friends did Joran call while walking to McDonalds besides Deepak (& before his father picked him up)?....just not sure what's in statements at this moment....Jaime was another, right?

I guess I should have just researched before asking but have to go out in a bit and may not be able to stay on very long.....Been out of commission due to cable outage and then a bad modem, but have caught up, at least.

glad you're back 2NJ to help us here. :smt052


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:44:56 PM

the translation seems pretty much correct after quickly scrolling through the texts.

if there are specific sentences who are extra important please point to them, then i will have a better look if that translation is entirely correct.

thank you caesu... you don't know the trouble we've had with translations... well, maybe you do. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 04:45:25 PM
who was asked to hold something for Anita? I think there is a statement somewhere.

I think we were thinking camera at that time - but maybe it was the 'shoe'.

I believe it was another teacher, however ALE did pick up one shoe in that picture is probably some more evidence.  Looks like part of a bone (could be a rock) up above the shoe on the reader's right.
This evidence may have come from an ALE source or even Jensen.  Maybe she is mad a Pvs.  Ha Ha.  Women scorned.   jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 04:45:30 PM
I do not know where that declaration surfaced but ... I am positive that it is not Joran's declaration of May 31, 2005.

Janet

++++++++++


THE SEIZURES

Beth and Jug are convinced that Joran May 31, 2005 statement Joran declared that Natalee was experiencing seizure.  On June 1, 2005 ... Dennis Jacobs questioned them extensive regarding this issue.  Also, Freddy's June 12, 2005 witness statement claim that on May 31, 2005 ... Joran told him that Natalee had been left at the beach.


Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008


TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html
 
 
Beth Holloway
CNN - LARRY KING LIVE
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: ... And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008


KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ...

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 04:46:44 PM
Does Melody still have a myspace site? facebook? tickle?

BB...IIRC...Melody...she is the girl that we were discussing if she had a son by Joran?

Damn...I've got notebooks stacked up all around me...yes...I still take hard copy notes....TIA  Des..

Sorry Destiny all I have...Thanks Sunfreak...Aruban who's Who

GRANADILLO, Melody   – Joran’s second girlfriend. Melody, the girlfriend who went on the RWV website with Scubajap and Anita, defending Joran and who Julia helped to get an appearance on MSNBC with Rita.  Dutch. Born 1986. Claimed she was told by another friend of Principal Suspect J. Sloot that on 5-30 Principal Suspect J. Sloot called the friend from his tennis practice right after school. Principal Suspect J. Sloot stated concern about the girl he had been with 5-30 being missing.  They broke up because Joran was cheating on her with Karen, per Joran’s book, 2007.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:47:10 PM
who was asked to hold something for Anita? I think there is a statement somewhere.

I think we were thinking camera at that time - but maybe it was the 'shoe'.


Lala's posted earlier that it was Jaime, Rob

Mum -
ok... but I thought it was a friend of Anita's... not a friend of Joran's. I thought there was statement that was from a friend of hers that said she was asked to hold some personal items.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 04:49:10 PM
Aruba White pages list:

Granadillo Franklin E. Kurimiauw 5E              586-9869

Granadillo Mirto J   Seroe Blanco 51 F          583-8831


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:52:25 PM
So did the story in the paper say they have confiscated the shoe and are testing it?  When did that happen?  Where is the shoe now?  Another package from the Hague...waiting again...just waiting.

I called today...was told that someone sent those photos to Jossy...along with some other info...they can't share right now....only got *vague* answers regarding the location of the shoe....they would only say that Jossy is *investigating* the case...I've talked with them many times...I *feel* they are sitting on something and connecting the dots...

Des, so the person who sent the photos could know the size of the shoe????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:54:28 PM
who was asked to hold something for Anita? I think there is a statement somewhere.

I think we were thinking camera at that time - but maybe it was the 'shoe'.

I believe it was another teacher, however ALE did pick up one shoe in that picture is probably some more evidence.  Looks like part of a bone (could be a rock) up above the shoe on the reader's right.
This evidence may have come from an ALE source or even Jensen.  Maybe she is mad a Pvs.  Ha Ha.  Women scorned.   jackb

I think you're right on this one Jack. That's kinda what I recall also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2008, 04:54:59 PM
How many friends did Joran call while walking to McDonalds besides Deepak (& before his father picked him up)?....just not sure what's in statements at this moment....Jaime was another, right?

I guess I should have just researched before asking but have to go out in a bit and may not be able to stay on very long.....Been out of commission due to cable outage and then a bad modem, but have caught up, at least.

Hi 2NJSons...Jaime at 4PM...IIRC

Did he call for Jaime to go to HI?  If so , then maybe the 'I have school & she begged me, etc.' BS was BS... ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 04:56:09 PM
I do not know where that declaration surfaced but ... I am positive that it is not Joran's declaration of May 31, 2005.

Janet

++++++++++


THE SEIZURES

Beth and Jug are convinced that Joran May 31, 2005 statement Joran declared that Natalee was experiencing seizure.  On June 1, 2005 ... Dennis Jacobs questioned them extensive regarding this issue.  Also, Freddy's June 12, 2005 witness statement claim that on May 31, 2005 ... Joran told him that Natalee had been left at the beach.


Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008


TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html
 
 
Beth Holloway
CNN - LARRY KING LIVE
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: ... And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008


KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ...

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.

Damn...is good to have you back Janet!   Thanks!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 04:57:01 PM
Aruba White pages list:

Granadillo Franklin E. Kurimiauw 5E              586-9869

Granadillo Mirto J   Seroe Blanco 51 F          583-8831


Destiny...Hang on please...I think I saw an obit for a Franklin born in 1958!!!
Let me get the links and make sure!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 04:57:18 PM
I do not know where that declaration surfaced but ... I am positive that it is not Joran's declaration of May 31, 2005.

Janet

++++++++++


THE SEIZURES

Beth and Jug are convinced that Joran May 31, 2005 statement Joran declared that Natalee was experiencing seizure.  On June 1, 2005 ... Dennis Jacobs questioned them extensive regarding this issue.  Also, Freddy's June 12, 2005 witness statement claim that on May 31, 2005 ... Joran told him that Natalee had been left at the beach.


Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures? And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008


TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html
 
 
Beth Holloway
CNN - LARRY KING LIVE
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: ... And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008


KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ...

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.

YES!!!! this is it... thanks so much Janet. Busted in another lie.

Jacobs or Shikira cooked this statement. I'm sure.

as robots would say ~ take it to the bank


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 04:59:04 PM
Klaas ... please read my message prior to posting my last submission on the latest FP Blog ... the blog regarding Trinity United ... Obama's "former" church.

Thanks

Janet

I think I got it right, didn't I?  I posted the 2nd post and deleted the first and your request.

Perfect!

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 05:00:36 PM
maybe related..... maybe not ....... where has "Caps" been lately?...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
who was asked to hold something for Anita? I think there is a statement somewhere.

I think we were thinking camera at that time - but maybe it was the 'shoe'.


Lala's posted earlier that it was Jaime, Rob

Mum -
ok... but I thought it was a friend of Anita's... not a friend of Joran's. I thought there was statement that was from a friend of hers that said she was asked to hold some personal items.

Someone was holding Freddy's Camera.  Maybe Jamie.  Anita asked another teacher (male?/female?) to hold something for her.  Why would she involve someone else in this unless they were somehow linked?  It would be my best guess that someone in ALE would have access to this evidence.  Vand der Stratten? Dompig? Jansen.  Why would the family even hold on to the evidence?  jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 05:02:36 PM
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Destiny...Hang on please...I think I saw an obit for a Franklin born in 1958!!!
Let me get the links and make sure!!


I think he is alive, some-one else wasn’t on the first link….I couldn’t open the second one…computer is too slow today!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://unocaaruba.com/adt/files/bio.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGRANADILLO,%2BMelody%2Baruba%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:rJkmTFcmXWIJ:solodipueblo.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_docman%26task%3Ddoc_view%26gid%3D65+GRANADILLO,+Melody+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 05:03:43 PM
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Destiny...Hang on please...I think I saw an obit for a Franklin born in 1958!!!
Let me get the links and make sure!!

Hangin' in there...I wouldn't call anyone without a lot of verification that I was calling the *right* person....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 05:03:43 PM
Jamie Carrasquilia Caceres Statement 6/17/05

>>>>>SNIPPED


On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number "*******". Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is "Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES". Her calling name is "Pilar". The mobile phone number of Pilar is "*******". The mobile phone number of Joran is "*******". Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone. Because it is the vacation now I temporarily work in "Caribbean Overseas". I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I had not talked to Joran. It is possible that Joran phoned me, but I didn't answer my mobile phone because I was sleeping. I am sure that Joran did not send me any messages with his mobile phone in the night of May 30th 2005.

On May 30th 2005, approximately 06.00 hours, I woke up. I went for a run. I ran to Wendy's Palm Beach and at approximately 07.00 hours, I returned home. I do not know how many kilometers that is. After I got home I went and showered and at approximately 07.45 hours, i went to work. Between the hours of 08.00 and 17.00, I was not phoned by Joran. After I finished work I went straight home and at approximately 17.30 I arrived home. After that I didn't go out that day. According to me I wasn't phoned that day by Joran. Joran had on that day also sent messages. It is possible he gave me an "missed-call" message on my phone but I am not sure about that. I at least did not call Joran because I had no money/minutes left on my pre-paid phone so I couldn't call him. At approximately 23.00, I had to pick up my father where he works. My dad works at the Wyndham Hotel. After I picked up my father from work we drove home. At approximately 23.20, we arrived home and I immediately went to sleep/bed.

On May 31th 2005, approximately 05.45 hours, I woke up and approximately 06.00 hours, I went and ran the same route.

On June 1st 2005, approximately 05.45 hours, I woke up. I did not go for a run that day. I stayed and watch sport news on TV. Approximately 07.45 hours, I left for work again and at approximately 17.30 hours that day, I returned home. According to me I stayed home again that day.

I do not remember with certainty what day it was or what time it was, when Joran called me on my mobile phone. Joran asked me whether I could remember that one day he had asked me to go out together with a few American girls. Joran told me that the girl that had gone out with him had gone missing now and that Deepak, Satish and he dropped off the girl at the "Holiday Inn Hotel". Joran said that he would talk to me about it later. I answered Joran that that was fine. (With Joran, Deepak and Satish is meant the suspects "Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT", "Deepak Sharma KALPOE" and "Satish Shanaa KALPOE; comment Croes).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
So did the story in the paper say they have confiscated the shoe and are testing it?  When did that happen?  Where is the shoe now?  Another package from the Hague...waiting again...just waiting.

I called today...was told that someone sent those photos to Jossy...along with some other info...they can't share right now....only got *vague* answers regarding the location of the shoe....they would only say that Jossy is *investigating* the case...I've talked with them many times...I *feel* they are sitting on something and connecting the dots...

Des, so the person who sent the photos could know the size of the shoe????

I would assume so....who knows....I don't know about you...but think it is Joran's shoe....hope so...wonder if Joran reads Diario online...or Anita and Paulus...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 05:06:53 PM
back in 05 I wasn't really sure that a camera could have been used to capture the whole horrible event, but after everything I have seen (I mean world wide) I give it a lot more credence today than back then. Just about everyday I hear of some moron doing the exact same thing... back then I didn't hear about it often or at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 05:07:13 PM
How many friends did Joran call while walking to McDonalds besides Deepak (& before his father picked him up)?....just not sure what's in statements at this moment....Jaime was another, right?

I guess I should have just researched before asking but have to go out in a bit and may not be able to stay on very long.....Been out of commission due to cable outage and then a bad modem, but have caught up, at least.

Hi 2NJSons...Jaime at 4PM...IIRC

Did he call for Jaime to go to HI?  If so , then maybe the 'I have school & she begged me, etc.' BS was BS... ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyWink::


I think he called Jamie for C&Cs...I will look in Jaime PV...weather problems here too...LOL

YES Rob...Anita...Thanks for reminding me!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 05:07:45 PM
Aruba White pages list:

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Destiny...Hang on please...I think I saw an obit for a Franklin born in 1958!!!
Let me get the links and make sure!!


I think he is alive, some-one else wasn’t on the first link….I couldn’t open the second one…computer is too slow today!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://unocaaruba.com/adt/files/bio.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGRANADILLO,%2BMelody%2Baruba%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:rJkmTFcmXWIJ:solodipueblo.com/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_docman%26task%3Ddoc_view%26gid%3D65+GRANADILLO,+Melody+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us




Thanks Mum...You always go the extra mile.... ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 05:08:49 PM
I don't think I ever heard Satish's middle name: "Sha Na Na"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 05:09:00 PM
maybe related..... maybe not ....... where has "Caps" been lately?...

What would be significant about April 25?
An anniversary? Birthday?  Breakup date?  Arrest date? departure date?  Some significance to someone.  Also, it may be that someone wants us to think they have a child and do not. (Guido?)  A parent of someone who is peripherally involved, or even Anita getting her other children exposed because of what he is doing? (or keeping Pvs on the hook.  Some of PVs girl friends.  Wonder if that April 25 date is significant.   Jack b (just thinking out loud)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 05:10:14 PM
2NJSons...C&Cs

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/caceres617.htm


On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number "*******". Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is "Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES". Her calling name is "Pilar". The mobile phone number of Pilar is "*******". The mobile phone number of Joran is "*******". Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day, whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone. I temporarily work in "Caribbean Overseas". I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 05:16:20 PM
I don't think I ever heard Satish's middle name: "Sha Na Na"  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

weren't they both named Sherma? or something like that?  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 05:16:49 PM
2NJSons...C&Cs

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/caceres617.htm


On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number "*******". Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is "Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES". Her calling name is "Pilar". The mobile phone number of Pilar is "*******". The mobile phone number of Joran is "*******". Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day, whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone. I temporarily work in "Caribbean Overseas". I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.

"...Mary who is not a virgin..."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2008, 05:18:05 PM
Jamie Carrasquilia Caceres Statement 6/17/05

>>>>>SNIPPED


On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number "*******". Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is "Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES". Her calling name is "Pilar". The mobile phone number of Pilar is "*******". The mobile phone number of Joran is "*******". Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone. Because it is the vacation now I temporarily work in "Caribbean Overseas". I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I had not talked to Joran. It is possible that Joran phoned me, but I didn't answer my mobile phone because I was sleeping. I am sure that Joran did not send me any messages with his mobile phone in the night of May 30th 2005.

On May 30th 2005, approximately 06.00 hours, I woke up. I went for a run. I ran to Wendy's Palm Beach and at approximately 07.00 hours, I returned home. I do not know how many kilometers that is. After I got home I went and showered and at approximately 07.45 hours, i went to work. Between the hours of 08.00 and 17.00, I was not phoned by Joran. After I finished work I went straight home and at approximately 17.30 I arrived home. After that I didn't go out that day. According to me I wasn't phoned that day by Joran. Joran had on that day also sent messages. It is possible he gave me an "missed-call" message on my phone but I am not sure about that. I at least did not call Joran because I had no money/minutes left on my pre-paid phone so I couldn't call him. At approximately 23.00, I had to pick up my father where he works. My dad works at the Wyndham Hotel. After I picked up my father from work we drove home. At approximately 23.20, we arrived home and I immediately went to sleep/bed.

On May 31th 2005, approximately 05.45 hours, I woke up and approximately 06.00 hours, I went and ran the same route.

On June 1st 2005, approximately 05.45 hours, I woke up. I did not go for a run that day. I stayed and watch sport news on TV. Approximately 07.45 hours, I left for work again and at approximately 17.30 hours that day, I returned home. According to me I stayed home again that day.

I do not remember with certainty what day it was or what time it was, when Joran called me on my mobile phone. Joran asked me whether I could remember that one day he had asked me to go out together with a few American girls. Joran told me that the girl that had gone out with him had gone missing now and that Deepak, Satish and he dropped off the girl at the "Holiday Inn Hotel". Joran said that he would talk to me about it later. I answered Joran that that was fine. (With Joran, Deepak and Satish is meant the suspects "Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT", "Deepak Sharma KALPOE" and "Satish Shanaa KALPOE; comment Croes).

Thanks, BB....my point was that he planned on CnC's earlier that evening...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 30, 2008, 05:20:06 PM
2NJSons...C&Cs

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/caceres617.htm


On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number "*******". Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is "Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES". Her calling name is "Pilar". The mobile phone number of Pilar is "*******". The mobile phone number of Joran is "*******". Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to "Carlos & Charlies" and whether I wanted to meet up with him there. According to me I had said to Joran that I would let him know later that day, whether or not I would go out with him that night. I had also said to Joran that I had to work the next day. According to me I was phoned later that day by Joran again but I hadn't answered my mobile phone. I temporarily work in "Caribbean Overseas". I work in the big Poolkasten. On May 29th 2005 I stayed home and slept. I went to bed at approximately 22.00 hours.


thanks, Mum....think I have to leave soon..dang.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 05:24:03 PM
(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/29554/2046583850095153008S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2046583850095153008wJLRpj)

Jamie C.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 05:29:37 PM
I don't think Jamie said Joran asked him to hold something or keep something...it was someone else that made that statement...when I have time..I will look again...I don't want to be accused of misquoting Jaime...no way.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Something like...did you hear or know or whatever that Joran gave Jaime something to hold for him?  That is what I remember...but then it has been 3 years.  And as Jackb told me today...I am wrong on this one...so who knows.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 05:32:17 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 05:34:16 PM
Good point of Pita's at BFN:

Hmmm....I'm thinking this is the second statement taken from Joran on May 31, 2005 .  Perhaps a cover for the torn up PV of the same date Beth saw on Jacob's desk?!

I agree. 

There was not a May 31, 2005 to give the Security Guard's attorneys or the Kalpoe's attorney.  The spokesperson for the prosecutor implied the reason was that their clients were not implicated in Joran statement.

That was a lie  ... Deepak, Satish and the Security Guards are all implicated in this recently revealed statement.  Proof that the Prosecutors Office was in on the coverup.

John Q. Kelly stated that he had seen ALL the statements but ... there were no witness statements given by Joran.  The first statement was his June 9, 2005 suspect statement.

Why was Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement never revealed or ... was it destroyed and another has now been created.

Something is not right.

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 05:37:32 PM
here an article about the upcoming Renee Giele documentary.
i'll do a full translation later.

Quote
On 30 May it is exactly three years ago Natalee Holloway without a trace disappeared on Aruba. The disappearance of this American has got an unprecedented media attention since then. According to the Curaçao film maker Renée Gielen the entire investigation team in the Holloway case is suffering from tunnel vision.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080530_gielen-holloway

(http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/images/assets/13814657)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 05:38:06 PM

2NJ wrote;
Quote
Thanks, BB....my point was that he planned on CnC's earlier that evening...

Yep that was why I posted Jamie's statement, sure seems like they had plans fairly early on that eve.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 05:38:18 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html
well, (1) "manufactured 3 years ago" part is when they WOULD have been manufactured!! (2)We have enough pictures of Joran wearing K-swiss to determine a match or not. (3) Aruban OM -- enough said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
Posted on the front page of SM (this poster appears to be posting from the NL):

AP wrote:

He will get his punishment….
Nobody in Holland believes he is innocent…
Give it time, the truth will come out…

Then let him suffer in a USA cell….

He is Dutch, he is a dumb killer….and we hate him…


May 30, 3:35 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 05:39:58 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Sorry I can't read what is posted at the link you provided, nor can I read where that info is from. Could you please tell me ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 05:41:34 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Not that I don't believe this but just WHO is reporting it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 05:42:26 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html
well, (1) "manufactured 3 years ago" part is when they WOULD have been manufactured!! (2)We have enough pictures of Joran wearing K-swiss to determine a match or not. (3) Aruban OM -- enough said.

yes, depends of course for how long JvdS was wearing them.
a bit of an easy dismissal from the Aruban OM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 05:42:59 PM
Klaas OT here, but if you can mark  BODY FOUND in missing persons for Officials search for missing diver near Little Gasparilla Island it would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Pita on May 30, 2008, 05:44:09 PM
Melody Joanne Granadillo

http://www.hi5.com/friend/596538--Melody--Profile-html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 05:45:03 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Not that I don't believe this but just WHO is reporting it?

it says 'according to the OM'.
so i guess Fok! contacted the OM or they got it from another news source who contacted the OM.

i am going to have look around if other media is reporting the same.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 05:45:09 PM
The mines are just on the other side of the tower, not in that picture.  Remember when Marian said "look tomorrow for the palace will rumble.  Eyes burning in the Xenon. Well, I thought maybe Xenon gas came out from the mines, but now i remember Xenon lights are on most military vechicles.. And when they talk about the bird on the wire.  when I worked in communications at AA, we referred to a bird on the wire when the communication was garbled.  When Marian talks about the owner of the block and hammer, I thought she may have been talking about the owner of a very exclusive Jewelry store in Aruba not a blacksmith.  And when they said yellow jacket, I thought maybe Dirty Hand could belong to the Lions of The Netherlands, thus America would be so reluctant to make waves....Well, I could go on and on but make make lunch for mum....ttyl

Not trying to be a PITA here but where is the yellow jacket reference from?  I would like to see it. TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 30, 2008, 05:46:03 PM
Janet, there is also no reference to the "seizure" that Jug and Beth are / were adamant that the ALE was asking about.

I contend that the real statement makes those direct and specific references.

Something is not jiving. I'm not saying that it's not authentic, because I believe it is. I'm just saying that is not Joran's first witness statement... a statement that need to be disappeared due to Joran's own admissions.

Remember Paulus was allowed to "tweek" his statements and make changes. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 05:47:53 PM
Melody Joanne Granadillo

http://www.hi5.com/friend/596538--Melody--Profile-html
check out her "friend" Joran and his "quote":
Quote
Favorite Quote
"Time is Money", "Only God can Judge Me".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 05:50:31 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Sorry I can't read what is posted at the link you provided, nor can I read where that info is from. Could you please tell me ?

ok, i got to the source now.

newspaper De Pers got it from an Aruban OM spokesperson.

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/207391/Schoenen-op-Aruba-niet-van-Joran.html

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/laatste_24_uur/artikel/asp/artnr/207879/

+ ladies shoes
+ too small size


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 05:50:48 PM
here an article about the upcoming Renee Giele documentary.
i'll do a full translation later.

Quote
On 30 May it is exactly three years ago Natalee Holloway without a trace disappeared on Aruba. The disappearance of this American has got an unprecedented media attention since then. According to the Curaçao film maker Renée Gielen the entire investigation team in the Holloway case is suffering from tunnel vision.
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080530_gielen-holloway

(http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/images/assets/13814657)



Thanks Caesu...saving the link...Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 05:54:28 PM

2NJ wrote;
Quote
Thanks, BB....my point was that he planned on CnC's earlier that evening...

Yep that was why I posted Jamie's statement, sure seems like they had plans fairly early on that eve.

Yep...Joran trying to get all the *pimps* together for a night of horror...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 06:02:13 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

It was ONE shoe, most likely, first of all.  OM are liars, secondly, and thirdly, according to Dario, the shoe is large.  Now, if there are any more lies, take it up with DARIO.  We are NOT as stupid as some would like to think.  Also, how would they know?  They only saw pictures, most likely as well, or they are lying through their teeth.
Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 06:03:09 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Not that I don't believe this but just WHO is reporting it?

it says 'according to the OM'.
so i guess Fok! contacted the OM or they got it from another news source who contacted the OM.

i am going to have look around if other media is reporting the same.

Thank-you caesu.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 06:05:53 PM
This just in from the Aruba OM -- "the world are flat" -- now move along, nothing to see here". ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 06:06:12 PM
To Lela mum, I didnt mean to say yellow jacket, I was thinking about what they wear -  also I think mobile phones are the phones that are like in police cars-you cant carry them around. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 06:08:57 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

It was ONE shoe, most likely, first of all.  OM are liars, secondly, and thirdly, according to Dario, the shoe is large.  Now, if there are any more lies, take it up with DARIO.  We are NOT as stupid as some would like to think.  Also, how would they know?  They only saw pictures, most likely as well, or they are lying through their teeth.
Jackb

Jack I'm with you on this.  I don't believe anything out of the OM office.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 06:11:30 PM
To Wreck, thats funny- dont you just love Star Wars!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 30, 2008, 06:34:57 PM
Janet, there is also no reference to the "seizure" that Jug and Beth are / were adamant that the ALE was asking about.

I contend that the real statement makes those direct and specific references.

Something is not jiving. I'm not saying that it's not authentic, because I believe it is. I'm just saying that is not Joran's first witness statement... a statement that need to be disappeared due to Joran's own admissions.

Remember Paulus was allowed to "tweek" his statements and make changes. ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005


I was there when Joran made his statement.

We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.

At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 06:40:35 PM
Melody Joanne Granadillo

html

Thanks Pita!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 06:42:37 PM
To Lela mum, I didnt mean to say yellow jacket, I was thinking about what they wear -  also I think mobile phones are the phones that are like in police cars-you cant carry them around. 

Thanks.  You threw me for a loop there...I was looking everywhere trying to find that. LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 06:43:44 PM
Melody Joanne Granadillo

http://www.hi5.com/friend/596538--Melody--Profile-html
check out her "friend" Joran and his "quote":
Quote
Favorite Quote
"Time is Money", "Only God can Judge Me".


Well...looks Like God has moved up Jorans' *Judgement* time....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 06:45:10 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

It was ONE shoe, most likely, first of all.  OM are liars, secondly, and thirdly, according to Dario, the shoe is large.  Now, if there are any more lies, take it up with DARIO.  We are NOT as stupid as some would like to think.  Also, how would they know?  They only saw pictures, most likely as well, or they are lying through their teeth.
Jackb

Jack I'm with you on this.  I don't believe anything out of the OM office.

Would that not be the same office that Mos is in?  If we are to believe anything...that means they plan on doing nothing with this info...as usual.  :roll:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 06:46:35 PM
This just in from the Aruba OM -- "the world are flat" -- now move along, nothing to see here". ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Oh wreck....depends time...ROFLMAO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 06:48:44 PM
This just in from the Aruba OM -- "the world are flat" -- now move along, nothing to see here". ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyRoll::


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

You slayed me with dat one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 06:50:02 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Sorry I can't read what is posted at the link you provided, nor can I read where that info is from. Could you please tell me ?

LOL -- I think that article is dated in March?

I think it is another pair of shoes (robots at work?)

If you look at the picture Destiny posted and comapre it to the size of the plastic cup (to put in perspective) -- then if that is a woman's shoe -- LOL -- then she must have elephantiasis of the feet... OOOOH, I hate that brain bomb image.... Maybe Renfrom lost a shoe on her last beach adventure?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 06:51:02 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

It was ONE shoe, most likely, first of all.  OM are liars, secondly, and thirdly, according to Dario, the shoe is large.  Now, if there are any more lies, take it up with DARIO.  We are NOT as stupid as some would like to think.  Also, how would they know?  They only saw pictures, most likely as well, or they are lying through their teeth.
Jackb

Jack I'm with you on this.  I don't believe anything out of the OM office.

Would that not be the same office that Mos is in?  If we are to believe anything...that means they plan on doing nothing with this info...as usual.  :roll:


Lala's...I honestly think the OM office got their info from the article in the Diario...had to start fielding questions...Ya know...if you keep stuffing lies into that same old ratty judicial *suit*...it just starts coming apart at the seams...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 06:52:13 PM
This must be the fastest the OM ever denied anything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

wow they sure picked up their response time... down from three years to only several hours. This is a remarkable development in itself.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, if only we can get them to respond this fast to the next missing 12 year old it will be a miracle.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
The mines are just on the other side of the tower, not in that picture.  Remember when Marian said "look tomorrow for the palace will rumble.  Eyes burning in the Xenon. Well, I thought maybe Xenon gas came out from the mines, but now i remember Xenon lights are on most military vechicles.. And when they talk about the bird on the wire.  when I worked in communications at AA, we referred to a bird on the wire when the communication was garbled.  When Marian talks about the owner of the block and hammer, I thought she may have been talking about the owner of a very exclusive Jewelry store in Aruba not a blacksmith.  And when they said yellow jacket, I thought maybe Dirty Hand could belong to the Lions of The Netherlands, thus America would be so reluctant to make waves....Well, I could go on and on but make make lunch for mum....ttyl

Not trying to be a PITA here but where is the yellow jacket reference from?  I would like to see it. TIA

Not sure but I think members of the Lions Club there might wear yellow jackets during meetings... perhaps?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 06:55:34 PM
The mines are just on the other side of the tower, not in that picture.  Remember when Marian said "look tomorrow for the palace will rumble.  Eyes burning in the Xenon. Well, I thought maybe Xenon gas came out from the mines, but now i remember Xenon lights are on most military vechicles.. And when they talk about the bird on the wire.  when I worked in communications at AA, we referred to a bird on the wire when the communication was garbled.  When Marian talks about the owner of the block and hammer, I thought she may have been talking about the owner of a very exclusive Jewelry store in Aruba not a blacksmith.  And when they said yellow jacket, I thought maybe Dirty Hand could belong to the Lions of The Netherlands, thus America would be so reluctant to make waves....Well, I could go on and on but make make lunch for mum....ttyl

Not trying to be a PITA here but where is the yellow jacket reference from?  I would like to see it. TIA

I agree.  I was just curious as to what was being referenced? such as a poster...news story...PV...etc. Still not sure where the info came from.

Not sure but I think members of the Lions Club there might wear yellow jackets during meetings... perhaps?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 06:57:08 PM
I always mess up your quotes...so sorry.  I meant it to say:

I agree.  I was just curious as to what was being referenced? such as a poster...news story...PV...etc. Still not sure where the info came from.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sharon on May 30, 2008, 06:57:33 PM
Unless, of course....  ::MonkeyRoll::

The shoe is the real McCoy -- as I believe Des might be theorizing about...

That someone has had this shoe all along and now, for whatever reason (revenge, fear whatever) has decided to unload it in such a way to make sure it got discovered...
After all -- IF this is the shoe and IF what looks like blood really is blood?  and that blood is Nats?  And if the analysis of the shoe also ties to Joran?  Then the case takes a very nasty turn back toward the sporter....AND, wasn't there an allegation recently from perhaps his ex girlfriend at the time (2005) that she was perhaps going to let some things go?  Could this be one of those "Things" or whatever it is?

Questions... Real McCoy?



That's my thought pattern at the moment.

But I have almost a whole thread to catch up to find out if we know more ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 07:03:41 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Sorry I can't read what is posted at the link you provided, nor can I read where that info is from. Could you please tell me ?

LOL -- I think that article is dated in March?

I think it is another pair of shoes (robots at work?)

If you look at the picture Destiny posted and comapre it to the size of the plastic cup (to put in perspective) -- then if that is a woman's shoe -- LOL -- then she must have elephantiasis of the feet... OOOOH, I hate that brain bomb image.... Maybe Renfrom lost a shoe on her last beach adventure?

Pssssstt....Silver...I heard that Renho is into *midget* sex these days....that was a photo of her lost knee pad....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 07:03:54 PM
they don't call it openbaar[/b] ministry for nothing!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 :clown: :smt033 :smt028

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/hillbilly.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: always 1 on May 30, 2008, 07:07:38 PM
LaLas mom- I find it handy when reading Shango or Marions post to keep copy of Urban Dictionery handy- for example when they say have to wait for Babylions to open coker-wasnt sure what that was-(I am old) but found it in the Urban Dictionery.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 07:07:50 PM
Silverfox wrote;

Quote
Not sure but I think members of the Lions Club there might wear yellow jackets during meetings... perhaps?

LOL funny visual....but they do appear to wear yellow vests...now if they only carried hammers

(http://www.arubalions.org/coppermine/albums/W22%20LCA%20Donations%202007-2008/normal_IMG_0260.jpg)

http://www.arubalions.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=55


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:08:44 PM
very busy in this thread. i can't keep up with everything.
so this is maybe old news:

Aruban OM says the shoes are NOT of JvdS.

they are of the same type.
but they are ladies shoes. and they were manifactured 3 years ago.
and they are not JvdS size.

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/93217/-%5Bupd%5D-Jorans-verdwenen-gympen-gevonden?.html

Sorry I can't read what is posted at the link you provided, nor can I read where that info is from. Could you please tell me ?

LOL -- I think that article is dated in March?

I think it is another pair of shoes (robots at work?)

If you look at the picture Destiny posted and comapre it to the size of the plastic cup (to put in perspective) -- then if that is a woman's shoe -- LOL -- then she must have elephantiasis of the feet... OOOOH, I hate that brain bomb image.... Maybe Renfrom lost a shoe on her last beach adventure?

Pssssstt....Silver...I heard that Renho is into *midget* sex these days....that was a photo of her lost knee pad....

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:11:16 PM
Silverfox wrote;

Quote
Not sure but I think members of the Lions Club there might wear yellow jackets during meetings... perhaps?

LOL funny visual....but they do appear to wear yellow vests...now if they only carried hammers

(http://www.arubalions.org/coppermine/albums/W22%20LCA%20Donations%202007-2008/normal_IMG_0260.jpg)

http://www.arubalions.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=55

Well actually... ::MonkeyEek::

Now that you mention it the President or Chairman of the Board would carry both a gavel and a block to meetings... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:17:59 PM
(http://arubalions.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-2279)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: yapperz1 on May 30, 2008, 07:20:48 PM
<snip>
Destiny posted:

Pssssstt....Silver...I heard that Renho is into *midget* sex these days....that was a photo of her lost knee pad....


ROFLMFAO   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Silverfox on May 30, 2008, 07:21:39 PM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/2006gavelturnoverarulions.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 30, 2008, 07:23:16 PM
Greta Remembered. ::MonkeyCool::

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 07:28:21 PM
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z215/kickradio/2006gavelturnoverarulions.jpg)

I'll be damned...he's got a hammer...and...he's hitting a block with it...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 07:28:36 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 30, 2008, 07:32:42 PM
they don't call it openbaar[/b] ministry for nothing!!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 :clown: :smt033 :smt028

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/hillbilly.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 07:34:20 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS

*******,

I can't help but believe, that there will be more *heros*...I think they will start to realize that it's not going away...it's like an evil spell has been cast over Aruba...only Justice for Natalee will break the spell...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 07:46:01 PM
It's hard to measure that cup compared to the shoe in the photo but I measured a similar cup vs my size 12 shoe and if I judged it correctly,that shoe appears to be at least my size if not bigger. If that is a womans shoe,then she has very large feet unless I am judging that photo all wrong.

Welcome back janet  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 07:48:07 PM
Greta Remembered. ::MonkeyCool::

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/otr053008.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 07:49:54 PM
The mines are just on the other side of the tower, not in that picture.  Remember when Marian said "look tomorrow for the palace will rumble.  Eyes burning in the Xenon. Well, I thought maybe Xenon gas came out from the mines, but now i remember Xenon lights are on most military vechicles.. And when they talk about the bird on the wire.  when I worked in communications at AA, we referred to a bird on the wire when the communication was garbled.  When Marian talks about the owner of the block and hammer, I thought she may have been talking about the owner of a very exclusive Jewelry store in Aruba not a blacksmith.  And when they said yellow jacket, I thought maybe Dirty Hand could belong to the Lions of The Netherlands, thus America would be so reluctant to make waves....Well, I could go on and on but make make lunch for mum....ttyl

Not trying to be a PITA here but where is the yellow jacket reference from?  I would like to see it. TIA

As I said OM are liars.  Also I will counter with:  Someone needs to prove Anita was out of town.  Any bloody shoes most likely came from the Sloots.  Joran was not the only one with bloody shoes.
Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 07:54:22 PM
It's hard to measure that cup compared to the shoe in the photo but I measured a similar cup vs my size 12 shoe and if I judged it correctly,that shoe appears to be at least my size if not bigger. If that is a womans shoe,then she has very large feet unless I am judging that photo all wrong.

Welcome back janet  ::MonkeyWink::

depending on the style:  Women's shoes would have less eyelets, recon?  Also one of the pics we were looking out was a bit warped.
Put up a good one.  I took one off page 17 the last time.  I believe it was 17.  There will be something in the pic to compare it to.
Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 07:54:59 PM
Greta Remembered. ::MonkeyCool::

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/otr053008.jpg)

Thank You Klaas...so sad...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 07:56:01 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS

[upd] Jorans verdwenen gympen gevonden?
     
 Buitenlands - door Rick (GauloisesB.) op 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - Laatste update: 30-05-2008 20:17  

Mogelijk zijn de beruchte witte sportschoenen van Joran van der Sloot gevonden. Dat meldt de Arubaanse krant Diario. Joran houdt al drie jaar lang stug vol dat hij zijn schoenen achter heeft gelaten op het strand.

De twee schoenen, van het merk K-Swiss, zijn gevonden aan de noordkant van Aruba. Daar werd ook Natalee Holloway voor het laatst gezien. Volgens de Arubaanse krant zijn de schoenen "bewust tussen de rotsen" geplaatst. Tevens zouden de schoenen zijn herkend door diverse mensen die de zaak van dichtbij hebben gevolgd. Tijdens een verborgen camera-actie van Peter R. de Vries in januari, bekende Van der Sloot nog de schoenen in een greppel te hebben gegooid.

Het is opvallend dat de krant vandaag naar buiten komt met de vondst, aangezien het vandaag precies drie jaar geleden is dat de Amerikaanse studente verdween. Holloway was samen met klasgenoten een avondje gaan stappen aan de vooravond van hun vertrek naar Amerika, toen zij verdween.

Foto's van de gevonden schoenen zijn hier te zien.

Update 20.17 uur
De gevonden schoenen zijn volgens het OM niet van Joran van der Sloot. De schoenen zijn wel van hetzelfde model als de schoenen van Joran, maar het zou hier gaan om damesschoenen die drie jaar geleden gemaakt zijn. Daarnaast is de maat te klein voor de Arnhemse Van der Sloot.
stem (of voeg toe) op:   


Not sure but this artical could be old       


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 07:59:48 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS
   
[upd] Joran disappeared sneakers? (Translation)
     
  Foreign - by Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - Last update: 30-05-2008 20:17

Possibly, the notorious white sports shoes of Joran van der Sloot. That indicates the Aruban newspaper Diario. Joran's been three years stug insist that he has left behind his shoes on the beach.

The two shoes, the brand K-Swiss, were found on the north shore of Aruba. There was also Natalee Holloway was last seen. According to the Aruban newspaper, the shoes' awareness among the rocks ". Similarly, the shoes are recognized by several people who have closely followed case. During a hidden camera-action of Peter R. de Vries in January, known Van der Sloot remains in the shoes have thrown in a ditch.

It is remarkable that the newspaper today comes out with the discovery, since today is exactly three years ago that the American student disappeared. Holloway was an evening together with classmates go steps on the eve of their departure to America when she disappeared.

Photos of the shoes are found here.

Update 20.17 pm
The shoes are found, according to the PPS not Joran van der Sloot. The shoes are of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would go to women's three years ago. In addition, the size is too small for the Arnhemse Van der Sloot.

voice (or add):
Edited to add translation
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no this article is from today.

30-05-2008 dutch format
5-30-2008 USA format

source is De Pers newspaper who spoke to spokesperson from OM Aruba.

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/207391/Schoenen-op-Aruba-niet-van-Joran.html

spokesperson OM said NOT JvdS shoes because:

+ too small
+ ladies shoes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:01:45 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS

[upd] Jorans verdwenen gympen gevonden?
     
 Buitenlands - door Rick (GauloisesB.) op 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - Laatste update: 30-05-2008 20:17  

Mogelijk zijn de beruchte witte sportschoenen van Joran van der Sloot gevonden. Dat meldt de Arubaanse krant Diario. Joran houdt al drie jaar lang stug vol dat hij zijn schoenen achter heeft gelaten op het strand.

De twee schoenen, van het merk K-Swiss, zijn gevonden aan de noordkant van Aruba. Daar werd ook Natalee Holloway voor het laatst gezien. Volgens de Arubaanse krant zijn de schoenen "bewust tussen de rotsen" geplaatst. Tevens zouden de schoenen zijn herkend door diverse mensen die de zaak van dichtbij hebben gevolgd. Tijdens een verborgen camera-actie van Peter R. de Vries in januari, bekende Van der Sloot nog de schoenen in een greppel te hebben gegooid.

Het is opvallend dat de krant vandaag naar buiten komt met de vondst, aangezien het vandaag precies drie jaar geleden is dat de Amerikaanse studente verdween. Holloway was samen met klasgenoten een avondje gaan stappen aan de vooravond van hun vertrek naar Amerika, toen zij verdween.

Foto's van de gevonden schoenen zijn hier te zien.

Update 20.17 uur
De gevonden schoenen zijn volgens het OM niet van Joran van der Sloot. De schoenen zijn wel van hetzelfde model als de schoenen van Joran, maar het zou hier gaan om damesschoenen die drie jaar geleden gemaakt zijn. Daarnaast is de maat te klein voor de Arnhemse Van der Sloot.
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Not sure but this artical could be old       

Thanks Blonde...what little I can decipher...in the last paragraph...it's the same Klaas what posted here in english...that the Aruba Om office said it was a woman's shoe and not Jorans'...BS!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 08:03:52 PM
Greta OTR

Natty girl update!!!

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 08:06:48 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS

[upd] Jorans verdwenen gympen gevonden?
     
 Buitenlands - door Rick (GauloisesB.) op 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - Laatste update: 30-05-2008 20:17  

Mogelijk zijn de beruchte witte sportschoenen van Joran van der Sloot gevonden. Dat meldt de Arubaanse krant Diario. Joran houdt al drie jaar lang stug vol dat hij zijn schoenen achter heeft gelaten op het strand.

De twee schoenen, van het merk K-Swiss, zijn gevonden aan de noordkant van Aruba. Daar werd ook Natalee Holloway voor het laatst gezien. Volgens de Arubaanse krant zijn de schoenen "bewust tussen de rotsen" geplaatst. Tevens zouden de schoenen zijn herkend door diverse mensen die de zaak van dichtbij hebben gevolgd. Tijdens een verborgen camera-actie van Peter R. de Vries in januari, bekende Van der Sloot nog de schoenen in een greppel te hebben gegooid.

Het is opvallend dat de krant vandaag naar buiten komt met de vondst, aangezien het vandaag precies drie jaar geleden is dat de Amerikaanse studente verdween. Holloway was samen met klasgenoten een avondje gaan stappen aan de vooravond van hun vertrek naar Amerika, toen zij verdween.

Foto's van de gevonden schoenen zijn hier te zien.

Update 20.17 uur
De gevonden schoenen zijn volgens het OM niet van Joran van der Sloot. De schoenen zijn wel van hetzelfde model als de schoenen van Joran, maar het zou hier gaan om damesschoenen die drie jaar geleden gemaakt zijn. Daarnaast is de maat te klein voor de Arnhemse Van der Sloot.
stem (of voeg toe) op:   


Not sure but this artical could be old       


[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:07:28 PM
Greta OTR

Natty girl update!!!

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Obviously that is not me posting as *******  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 30, 2008, 08:08:04 PM
It's hard to measure that cup compared to the shoe in the photo but I measured a similar cup vs my size 12 shoe and if I judged it correctly,that shoe appears to be at least my size if not bigger. If that is a womans shoe,then she has very large feet unless I am judging that photo all wrong.

Welcome back janet  ::MonkeyWink::

We know they are lying.  A man would have to have a 14 plus shoe if a woman had a 12 foot.  They need to be imploded before they eat crap and croak.   Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 08:09:39 PM
if the shoe is too small.
the OM should provide the size number against JvdS size number.
and show what different there is in men/women shoe for this type.

and/or do a DNA test on the shoes.

not just dismiss the shoes.

they obviously don't care.
or they actually do care, but to keep the cover-up in place, therefore the shoes needed to be dismissed by the OM ASAP.

maybe the shoes now are already in the garbage, or burned and gone forever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:09:59 PM

We know they are lying.  A man would have to have a 14 plus shoe if a woman had a 12 foot.  They need to be imploded before they eat crap and croak.   Jackb

Jack,I am not a woman  :wink:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 08:10:21 PM
caesu
Thank You I didn't know that


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 08:14:17 PM
It's hard to measure that cup compared to the shoe in the photo but I measured a similar cup vs my size 12 shoe and if I judged it correctly,that shoe appears to be at least my size if not bigger. If that is a womans shoe,then she has very large feet unless I am judging that photo all wrong.

Welcome back janet  ::MonkeyWink::

We know they are lying.  A man would have to have a 14 plus shoe if a woman had a 12 foot.  They need to be imploded before they eat crap and croak.   Jackb

If those gun boats came from a woman, I want her number...

I have to move a dang couch this weekend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:17:53 PM
Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 30, 2008, 08:23:33 PM
It looks like a size 14 woman's shoe would be a size 12 man's shoe USA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2008, 08:25:23 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/joranshoes.jpg)

I am very far behind but have been looking at the pictures of the shoe and I don't believe that is Joran's shoe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 08:26:17 PM
Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...

please, continue


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:32:02 PM
It looks like a size 14 woman's shoe would be a size 12 man's shoe USA.

Bearly,

I don't believe ONE word that comes out of the OM's office....I don't think they even have the shoes....I think someone read here today, what one of our Monkeys...(sorry can't remember who)...that someone needed to look inside the shoe, for the manufacterers lot number, to establish the time they were made...and forwarded that post to the *bad guys*...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 08:32:05 PM
Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...


this comes re-phrased from the Diario article.

it says that shoes were placed there on purpose.

and people who are familiar with the case (like the Monkeys or people who watch Peter R. de Vries) recognized it as JvdS white K-Swiss shoes (because JvdS said he lost and later said he dumped his white K-Swiss shoes).

i don't think it means that these people have actually seen the shoes first hand.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 08:35:44 PM
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/joranshoes.jpg)

I am very far behind but have been looking at the pictures of the shoe and I don't believe that is Joran's shoe.

Well he certainly laces them differently...... sneaker found is laced tight and doubled knotted. The ones he is  pictured wearing arelaced very loose and  not knotted at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:37:41 PM
Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...


this comes re-phrased from the Diario article.

it says that shoes were placed there on purpose.

and people who are familiar with the case (like the Monkeys or people who watch Peter R. de Vries) recognized it as JvdS white K-Swiss shoes (because JvdS said he lost and later said he dumped his white K-Swiss shoes).

i don't think it means that these people have actually seen the shoes first hand.

Exactly...because I was told today that Jossy also recieved other info from the shoe source...but was told they could not talk about it now...that Jossy is actively investigating many aspects of the case....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 08:40:24 PM
Hey Klaas,
Haven't read back yet but I heard back from Dana...he is going to try and put a show together for next week. Do you have a link to the so called "documentary"?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 30, 2008, 08:40:26 PM
It's hard to measure that cup compared to the shoe in the photo but I measured a similar cup vs my size 12 shoe and if I judged it correctly,that shoe appears to be at least my size if not bigger. If that is a womans shoe,then she has very large feet unless I am judging that photo all wrong.

Welcome back janet  ::MonkeyWink::

We know they are lying.  A man would have to have a 14 plus shoe if a woman had a 12 foot.  They need to be imploded before they eat crap and croak.   Jackb

If those gun boats came from a woman, I want her number...

I have to move a dang couch this weekend.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 08:41:06 PM
How about this one

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/ht_vander_slo.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:41:41 PM
Email I posted when I got it this AM from Aruba.....

HiXXXXXX

Yes I want to know more information about this lady.

Do you know her name. Then I go to check it out who she is.

Let me know.

And you already know about the k-swiss that was found. It was in today newspaper.

We gone to investigate this also.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 08:43:53 PM
Well that shoe was either a sick prank or a hero did step forward only for the OM to try and cover it up. We saw a fast response on June 5th 2005 with the bloody mattress,within 3 hours they reported to the media that it had nothing to do with Natalee's case and it was only saturated with dog's blood.

MOS=FOS

[upd] Jorans verdwenen gympen gevonden?
     
 Buitenlands - door Rick (GauloisesB.) op 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - Laatste update: 30-05-2008 20:17  

Mogelijk zijn de beruchte witte sportschoenen van Joran van der Sloot gevonden. Dat meldt de Arubaanse krant Diario. Joran houdt al drie jaar lang stug vol dat hij zijn schoenen achter heeft gelaten op het strand.

De twee schoenen, van het merk K-Swiss, zijn gevonden aan de noordkant van Aruba. Daar werd ook Natalee Holloway voor het laatst gezien. Volgens de Arubaanse krant zijn de schoenen "bewust tussen de rotsen" geplaatst. Tevens zouden de schoenen zijn herkend door diverse mensen die de zaak van dichtbij hebben gevolgd. Tijdens een verborgen camera-actie van Peter R. de Vries in januari, bekende Van der Sloot nog de schoenen in een greppel te hebben gegooid.

Het is opvallend dat de krant vandaag naar buiten komt met de vondst, aangezien het vandaag precies drie jaar geleden is dat de Amerikaanse studente verdween. Holloway was samen met klasgenoten een avondje gaan stappen aan de vooravond van hun vertrek naar Amerika, toen zij verdween.

Foto's van de gevonden schoenen zijn hier te zien.

Update 20.17 uur
De gevonden schoenen zijn volgens het OM niet van Joran van der Sloot. De schoenen zijn wel van hetzelfde model als de schoenen van Joran, maar het zou hier gaan om damesschoenen die drie jaar geleden gemaakt zijn. Daarnaast is de maat te klein voor de Arnhemse Van der Sloot.
stem (of voeg toe) op:   


Not sure but this artical could be old       

Thanks Blonde...what little I can decipher...in the last paragraph...it's the same Klaas what posted here in english...that the Aruba Om office said it was a woman's shoe and not Jorans'...BS!!!!

you are kidding me? Didn't look like a woman's shoe to me!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:45:10 PM
Email I posted when I got it this AM from Aruba.....

HiXXXXXX

Yes I want to know more information about this lady.

Do you know her name. Then I go to check it out who she is.

Let me know.

And you already know about the k-swiss that was found. It was in today newspaper.

We gone to investigate this also.



I guess they passed on doing a story on what you told me and klaas about Destiny? Thats a real shame because they could uncover the truth very quickly.MO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:48:24 PM
Email I posted when I got it this AM from Aruba.....

HiXXXXXX

Yes I want to know more information about this lady.

Do you know her name. Then I go to check it out who she is.

Let me know.

And you already know about the k-swiss that was found. It was in today newspaper.

We gone to investigate this also.



I guess they passed on doing a story on what you told me and klaas about Destiny? Thats a real shame because they could uncover the truth very quickly.MO

Nope haven't passed on it al all...just not telling me much except what you know...I don't *pry* to much...it's better to not be pushy...I'm still trying to get the last name for you...I think it will happen...I hope...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 30, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...


this comes re-phrased from the Diario article.

it says that shoes were placed there on purpose.

and people who are familiar with the case (like the Monkeys or people who watch Peter R. de Vries) recognized it as JvdS white K-Swiss shoes (because JvdS said he lost and later said he dumped his white K-Swiss shoes).

i don't think it means that these people have actually seen the shoes first hand.

Exactly...because I was told today that Jossy also recieved other info from the shoe source...but was told they could not talk about it now...that Jossy is actively investigating many aspects of the case....

I am sure I will be flamed for this, but I am not feeling at all good about the fact that Jossy may be investigating aspects of this case. While one part of my thinking feels Jossy has wanted to help and been dedicated to the causes of finding Natalee and getting justice........there are the memories about the many witnesses, clues, sightings that have never  panned out. No answers to questions, no condoms with owners......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 30, 2008, 08:52:06 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/julia1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Julia2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 08:53:08 PM
Hey Klaas,
Haven't read back yet but I heard back from Dana...he is going to try and put a show together for next week. Do you have a link to the so called "documentary"?

You mean Renee Gielen's?  There was a link posted the other day that talked about it but I don't think the actual documentary has actually been broadcast yet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 08:53:15 PM
CHECK ONE TWO CHECK ONE TWO

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SHOECOMPARASION1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 08:54:20 PM
We luv ya Natalee and we all know what that they did to you and continue to do..

(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5953/natandcatjz1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 08:55:14 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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It looks like Renee has it as well.  Who knows how they got it??  I was told once that just about anything can be gotten from ALE for a price. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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Several minutes doesn't mean squat!...I know sometimes I call my Daughter and leave a 5 min. voicemail...cuz I know how busy she is....Natalee could have left a voicemail saying See Ya tomorrow I've been having fun...and so on...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2008, 08:57:35 PM
CHECK ONE TWO CHECK ONE TWO

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The arch is different.  He wears shoes with an arch.  The one they found are flat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 09:00:02 PM
UPDATE
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:01:06 PM
Blonde Posted:



[upd] Jorans disappeared high school pen found? Foreign - Rick (GauloisesB.) on 30-05-2008 @ 19:27 - last update: 30-05-2008 20:17 Possibly the notorious white sport shoes of Joran of of the ditch have been found. That communicates newspaper dia Rio to the Arubaanse. Joran keep to for three years already stiffly full that he are shoes behind has gelaten on the range. The two shoes, of the mark K-Swiss, have been found on the North side of Aruba. There also Natalee Holloway for last were seen. According to the Arubaanse newspaper the shoes " are; consciously between the rotsen" placed. Also the shoes have been recognised by several people who have followed the matter of near. During a hidden camera action of godfather R. freeze in January, well-known of of the ditch still the shoes in a drain to have thrown. It is striking that the newspaper today comes to outside with the find, since the today exact three years are suffered that the American studente disappeared. Holloway were with classmates an evening will step on the eve of their departure to America, then she disappeared. Foto' s of the found shoes is see here. Update 20.17 The found shoes are not according to Public Prosecution Service of Joran of of the ditch. The shoes are, however, of the same model as the shoes of Joran, but it would concern here lady shoes which are made three years suffered. Moreover the half-measure is too small for the Arnhemse of of the ditch. voice (or joint) on:

Now the part I turned to red...as if by magic...it reads to me...that the shoe(s) were place there on purpose...and that several people who *know* what they look like...have identified them...by recognition...I know Jossy *is* holding back info on this matter, based on my conversation today with a friend at Diario....hmmmmmmmm

Destiny...


this comes re-phrased from the Diario article.

it says that shoes were placed there on purpose.

and people who are familiar with the case (like the Monkeys or people who watch Peter R. de Vries) recognized it as JvdS white K-Swiss shoes (because JvdS said he lost and later said he dumped his white K-Swiss shoes).

i don't think it means that these people have actually seen the shoes first hand.

Exactly...because I was told today that Jossy also recieved other info from the shoe source...but was told they could not talk about it now...that Jossy is actively investigating many aspects of the case....

I am sure I will be flamed for this, but I am not feeling at all good about the fact that Jossy may be investigating aspects of this case. While one part of my thinking feels Jossy has wanted to help and been dedicated to the causes of finding Natalee and getting justice........there are the memories about the many witnesses, clues, sightings that have never  panned out. No answers to questions, no condoms with owners......

BB no flaming here Sweetie...the only thing I do know for a fact is...I called requested photos of the drained pond...and 2 people were sent...and we got them the same day....I have those same queasy feelings myself sometimes...but I figure...any info...is better than no info...and we did get our Article in the paper for Free...On the date I requested...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:01:19 PM
I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 09:01:25 PM
if the shoe is too small.
the OM should provide the size number against JvdS size number.
and show what different there is in men/women shoe for this type.

and/or do a DNA test on the shoes.

not just dismiss the shoes.

they obviously don't care.
or they actually do care, but to keep the cover-up in place, therefore the shoes needed to be dismissed by the OM ASAP.

maybe the shoes now are already in the garbage, or burned and gone forever.

Yep.  The shoe's too small....the belt's too big.....

Just do the forensics already!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 09:05:17 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:11:06 PM
Natalee Tribute by BK179

natalee ann missing 36 month from aruba..
we need justice for holloway now..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPCiYGn3oow


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:11:52 PM
I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.

******* is observing.... ;-)   I agree...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 09:13:10 PM
I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.
They are tied the way I would tie shoes I was going to carry and not wear.  I might even tie both shoes together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 30, 2008, 09:16:17 PM
Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

Probably that perv Martin from Thailand and God only knows what he's doing with it and how much he paid the ALE for it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's probably under his pillow right now. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 09:17:29 PM
Posted by Jonathan at RU, regarding Joran's statement:

Jonathan  PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:04 pm         

I notice this PV confirms that C. Croes was correct, Joran was initially claiming that Natalee was the girl whose money he won back in the casino, not Ruth. So he changed his story about that sometime between 5/31 and 6/9. Did someone tell him the casino tapes showed something different?

I don't believe he just got them confused- Ruth and Natalee look nothing alike. He lied about that for some reason.

Also noteworthy that his bj in the car lie isn't in this statement, either, altho he made that claim to Croes less than 12 hours earlier.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:18:18 PM
I have never ever seen anyone tie there shoes that tight while wearing them,I think it would cut off the circulation.. The arch Is tied down because they are tied as tight as possible,much different then in the picture with Greta. Someone tied that shoe like that and left it there. Or they had extremely narrow feet which I highly doubt.

I am fairly certain that shoe was tied without a foot in it.
They are tied the way I would tie shoes I was going to carry and not wear.  I might even tie both shoes together.

BINGO!...Plus...they might be curled up at the toe area...from being stuffed in a hidey hole...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:22:09 PM
Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

Probably that perv Martin from Thailand and God only knows what he's doing with it and how much he paid the ALE for it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's probably under his pillow right now. ::MonkeyHaHa::

eeeewwwwwwwwwww......LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:24:52 PM
Reconstructie Per.verz ft. Risskant ft. Ad Rem (by Ricardo Q)  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-VSmEpReAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFUiTmpT-M

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Linda in MD on May 30, 2008, 09:26:07 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:28:48 PM
Posted by Jonathan at RU, regarding Joran's statement:

Jonathan  PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:04 pm         

I notice this PV confirms that C. Croes was correct, Joran was initially claiming that Natalee was the girl whose money he won back in the casino, not Ruth. So he changed his story about that sometime between 5/31 and 6/9. Did someone tell him the casino tapes showed something different?

I don't believe he just got them confused- Ruth and Natalee look nothing alike. He lied about that for some reason.

Also noteworthy that his bj in the car lie isn't in this statement, either, altho he made that claim to Croes less than 12 hours earlier.


Good catch...thanks Buckeye


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 09:28:58 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...

you are right , man, the renho is not the brightset bulb in the pack is she...she sounds more and more like joran everyday!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: yuknomenot on May 30, 2008, 09:29:26 PM
Hi everyone, it appears to me that the found show is a different style than the shoe he is wearing in the interview.  The interview shoe has more of a cross-trainer type sole, while the found shoe has a flat sole.  Is this picture from the interview where he claimed he was wearing the same shoes that were lost?  Another thought, even though the shoes appear to be different styles, that doesn't mean the found shoe isn't his, he could have had more than one pair of K-Swiss.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2008, 09:30:51 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Emerson College is for people who are into acting and broadcasting I believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 09:31:32 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)



yea right...stay in Aruba...we don't want any sloots here in the US thank you!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: yapperz1 on May 30, 2008, 09:32:12 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...

Hiya Monkeys
Buckeye, I may get banned for this but if you put Julia aka Glenda's brain in a jaybird's azz it would sit & do a tail spin. MOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:32:56 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Thanks Linda...love your AVI ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:34:26 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...

Hiya Monkeys
Buckeye, I may get banned for this but if you put Julia aka Glenda's brain in a jaybird's azz it would sit & do a tail spin. MOO

ROFLMAO!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 09:35:11 PM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

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I swear...it will have to be a race for who is the most stupid liar.

If someone calls my cell phone, the name that appears is NOT the name I gave them in my address book.  The caller's name is the caller's name.  It comes from the call generated...not the phone received. sheesh...

Hiya Monkeys
Buckeye, I may get banned for this but if you put Julia aka Glenda's brain in a jaybird's azz it would sit & do a tail spin. MOO


banned? More like applauded!!!
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 09:35:48 PM
Hi everyone, it appears to me that the found show is a different style than the shoe he is wearing in the interview.  The interview shoe has more of a cross-trainer type sole, while the found shoe has a flat sole.  Is this picture from the interview where he claimed he was wearing the same shoes that were lost?  Another thought, even though the shoes appear to be different styles, that doesn't mean the found shoe isn't his, he could have had more than one pair of K-Swiss.
BINGO! Come on people..... it stands to reason that Joran is NOT wearing the exact same shoe in the interview with Greta. He could not have LOST them and wear them to the interview as well. Comparing the 2 shoes is moot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 09:37:48 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Emerson College is for people who are into acting and broadcasting I believe.

ok...this is unnerving me...do those people really think it is ok to send one of their offspring to the US for school? Is it just me or are these people the most arrogant asses you have ever met???!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: yapperz1 on May 30, 2008, 09:41:15 PM
ldstlou they are far worse than arrogant. the word UNTOUCHABLE comes to mind. I personally would like them to fall back into the ditch they crawled out of.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 30, 2008, 09:41:25 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Emerson College is for people who are into acting and broadcasting I believe.

ok...this is unnerving me...do those people really think it is ok to send one of their offspring to the US for school? Is it just me or are these people the most arrogant asses you have ever met???!!!

Yes I agree.  What bugs me is that we allow him in this country.  Throw them the hell out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:41:34 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Emerson College is for people who are into acting and broadcasting I believe.

ok...this is unnerving me...do those people really think it is ok to send one of their offspring to the US for school? Is it just me or are these people the most arrogant asses you have ever met???!!!

Cmon Lisa..Of Course Val is coming to the U.S. for school...He's probably looking at 10 schools all in the U.S...I saw the schools making offers to his class and they were all mostly American. Yes they are arrogant asses as they pushed this all way over the top,they know they will never be tried so they are taking full advantage of it. Get ready for Anita's book after Patricks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 09:43:37 PM
ldstlou they are far worse than arrogant. the word UNTOUCHABLE comes to mind. I personally would like them to fall back into the ditch they crawled out of.


man oh man...think they have done quite enough damage to the US...STAY HOME!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 30, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Emerson College is for people who are into acting and broadcasting I believe.

ok...this is unnerving me...do those people really think it is ok to send one of their offspring to the US for school? Is it just me or are these people the most arrogant asses you have ever met???!!!

Yes I agree.  What bugs me is that we allow him in this country.  Throw them the hell out.

think we should send letters to the Deans and hang 'BEWARE" posters!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 09:45:08 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Emerson College is for people who are into acting and broadcasting I believe.




ok...this is unnerving me...do those people really think it is ok to send one of their offspring to the US for school? Is it just me or are these people the most arrogant asses you have ever met???!!!


I'm sure there will be waiting in line to meet him, right at the airport gate. ::MonkeyWink::


WELCOME TO THE USA, SON.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:47:43 PM
Wow nice tribute!

                                        The Enduring Tribute

As I ponder the last three years, three years since a Natalee Holloway disappeared while visiting Aruba, I wonder about the future.  How will Natalee Holloway be remembered in the years to come?  How many lives has she changed?  How many people, outside of those who actually knew her, will think of Natalee from time to time over the years?

I have never met anyone named “Natalee” nor do I think I ever met anyone named "Natalie”.  It’s never been a popular name to my knowledge.  I did some research on the Social Security site to check the popularity of the name.  Names seldom move up or down in popularity by more than a few places over several years.  ‘Natalie’ went from 23rd most popular in 2003 to 16th place in 2006; ‘Elizabeth’ from 9th to 11th; ‘David’ from 14th to 13th over the same period.

The name ‘Natalee” was the 915th most popular name for girls in 2004.  It jumped up to  506th place in 2005, and continued its rise to 497th place in 2006.  I can think of no other reason that the name “Natalee” became so much more popular over the past few years than Natalee’s case.

Interest in this case ebbs and flows; websites come and go; but these little girls will be an enduring tribute to Natalee Holloway.   

I truly believe that some day at least one little girl will be told – “You were named after a beautiful, intelligent, outstanding young woman from Alabama”.  Perhaps this little girl will change the world. Natalee Holloway, a young woman that I never had the privilege of meeting, certainly changed my world.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blue Moon on May 30, 2008, 09:50:41 PM
From today’s newsletter on the website of the International School of Aruba:
Valentijn van der Sloot
Future plans: Attend Emerson College
(in Boston)


Thanks Linda...love your AVI ;-)

Maybe the FBI can question Val once he is in the US of A.  Needs to be done I would think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 30, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
So let me get this straight...Diario did not say what or where the shoe came from and they did not say that it is in possession of ALE or OM?  As of right now...we have no idea who has possession of that shoe?  Is this correct?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 09:59:45 PM
So let me get this straight...Diario did not say what or where the shoe came from and they did not say that it is in possession of ALE or OM?  As of right now...we have no idea who has possession of that shoe?  Is this correct?

Correct and would it be any other way? Maybe they brought back the man in charge of all the evidence from 2005-2007 dennis jacobs to add to his collection?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 09:59:51 PM
So let me get this straight...Diario did not say what or where the shoe came from and they did not say that it is in possession of ALE or OM?  As of right now...we have no idea who has possession of that shoe?  Is this correct?

Correct


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 10:14:28 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: You will see this kind of thing in many of the south american/central american and carribean countries

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 10:25:00 PM
******* - what exactly am I looking at?  Is that some kind of sacraficial burial site/items?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
it is some aztec / roman-catholic mixed kind of voodoo
worshipping aztec goddess yonantzin / our lady of guadalupe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 10:32:00 PM
******* - what exactly am I looking at?  Is that some kind of sacraficial burial site/items?

Yes,Animal sacrafice..Not sure why they are doing it here but many times it is to keep away the evil spirits..You will see them hang animal parts like chicken legs..etc in the front of there homes or place it exactly as shown there..This particular person sacraficed a pig and god knows what else.

I do know that this is not a rare practice at all and have seen it for my self when I lived in So cal. They do not even have to be a witch to have these beliefs,just practice the religeon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 30, 2008, 10:32:45 PM
it is some aztec / roman-catholic mixed kind of voodoo
worshipping aztec goddess ytonantzin / our lady of guadalupe

correction


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 30, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
Hi everyone, it appears to me that the found show is a different style than the shoe he is wearing in the interview.  The interview shoe has more of a cross-trainer type sole, while the found shoe has a flat sole.  Is this picture from the interview where he claimed he was wearing the same shoes that were lost?  Another thought, even though the shoes appear to be different styles, that doesn't mean the found shoe isn't his, he could have had more than one pair of K-Swiss.
BINGO! Come on people..... it stands to reason that Joran is NOT wearing the exact same shoe in the interview with Greta. He could not have LOST them and wear them to the interview as well. Comparing the 2 shoes is moot.

I think shoes, like many fashion items, change on a regular basis.  Always new, sale, clearance, new...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 10:34:14 PM
******* - what exactly am I looking at?  Is that some kind of sacraficial burial site/items?
Yes,Animal sacrafice..Not sure why they are doing it here but many times it is to keep away the evil spirits..You will see them hang animal parts like chicken legs..etc in the front of there homes or place it exactly as shown there..This particular person sacraficed a pig and god knows what else.

I do know that this is not a rare practice at all and have seen it for my self when I lived in So cal. They do not even have to be a witch to have these beliefs,just practice the religeon.
pig, huh.... I know of a few in Aruba that ought be on the down low.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 10:45:29 PM
Sorry,That person sacrificed a goat (Cabrito)and not a pig  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 10:46:13 PM
Hi everyone, it appears to me that the found show is a different style than the shoe he is wearing in the interview.  The interview shoe has more of a cross-trainer type sole, while the found shoe has a flat sole.  Is this picture from the interview where he claimed he was wearing the same shoes that were lost?  Another thought, even though the shoes appear to be different styles, that doesn't mean the found shoe isn't his, he could have had more than one pair of K-Swiss.
BINGO! Come on people..... it stands to reason that Joran is NOT wearing the exact same shoe in the interview with Greta. He could not have LOST them and wear them to the interview as well. Comparing the 2 shoes is moot.

I think shoes, like many fashion items, change on a regular basis.  Always new, sale, clearance, new...




Furthermore, I'd like to add my 2 to this good thread...


Since when has Joran ever told the precise truth about anything...


If he said it was the exact same shoe. If you reflect back on his truth

track record.... it was either slightly different, or a f'n navy blue topsider, maybe.


Everyday with Joran is like Halloween! You never know what you're gonna get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 10:50:10 PM
******* - what exactly am I looking at?  Is that some kind of sacraficial burial site/items?

Yes,Animal sacrafice..Not sure why they are doing it here but many times it is to keep away the evil spirits..You will see them hang animal parts like chicken legs..etc in the front of there homes or place it exactly as shown there..This particular person sacraficed a pig and god knows what else.

I do know that this is not a rare practice at all and have seen it for my self when I lived in So cal. They do not even have to be a witch to have these beliefs,just practice the religeon.

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I've lived in SoCal my entire life and I've never seen anything like that


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 10:50:34 PM
You guys ever see Hotshots pictures when she was leaving Aruba at the airport?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 30, 2008, 10:50:46 PM
Sorry,That person sacrificed a goat (Cabrito)and not a pig  ::MonkeyConfused::
ok, I guess Rudy Croes (aka goat's ass) ought to be hiding. ( ::MonkeyWink::  to private Eye)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 30, 2008, 10:54:29 PM
Sorry,That person sacrificed a goat (Cabrito)and not a pig  ::MonkeyConfused::

Goats are also food.  Perhaps it was an all purpose goat.

Goat is one of the new health foods (or so I've been told).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 30, 2008, 10:56:08 PM
You guys ever see Hotshots pictures when she was leaving Aruba at the airport?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I haven't.  Where are they posted?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 10:56:49 PM
******* - what exactly am I looking at?  Is that some kind of sacraficial burial site/items?

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I've lived in SoCal my entire life and I've never seen anything like that

You never lived by haitians and costa ricans immigrants that did this crap then  ::MonkeyWink:: Obviously in Aruba a few practice Santeria.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
Greta is gonna give Nat some TV time next. (commercials on now)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: meshuggener on May 30, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
Natalee update on Greta right now!  Last 1-2 minutes of show.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 11:00:36 PM
You guys ever see Hotshots pictures when she was leaving Aruba at the airport?  ::MonkeyShocked::

I haven't.  Where are they posted?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h294/gummy_2006/airportbldcoolage.jpg

http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/TriptoAruba.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
Natalee update on Greta right now!  Last 1-2 minutes of show.

Dang, I missed it


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 11:05:31 PM
Klaas,

My YOU TUBE is uploading now.

gensing7000


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 11:08:09 PM
I would have liked to see 5 more minutes of Nat...

and a few less of two people knockin' the ever livin' farts out of eachother over

a WIG, of all things!

 ::MonkeyRoll::

However, I'm appreciative of whatever time Greta could give to the family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: meshuggener on May 30, 2008, 11:12:39 PM
Natalee update on Greta right now!  Last 1-2 minutes of show.

Dang, I missed it

The rerun will be on again in a few hours.  It was very short ... a mention that Natalee has been missing for three years.  It was the very last segment on Greta - the last minute or two.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 11:17:29 PM
Klaas,

My YOU TUBE is uploading now.

gensing7000

Thanks Carpe - you are a life saver!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 11:19:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs

Thanks again Carpe.  Even though it was a short segment, I'm glad Greta covered it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Port Valerie on May 30, 2008, 11:21:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs

Thanks again Carpe.  Even though it was a short segment, I'm glad Greta covered it.

It was a nice statement. She acknowledged the anniversary. She mentioned the suspects by name. Most interesting to me, she said "we are continuing to investigate." Very nice.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Yellow Ribbon on May 30, 2008, 11:34:08 PM
Hi Monkeys,

Three years. At least we heard Joran admit to it several months ago. I hope Beth is ok.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 30, 2008, 11:37:48 PM
I must give Kudo's to Carpe and ROb for there awesome youtubes! Everytime I am researching Aruba their videos are the first and last ones I see  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 30, 2008, 11:38:54 PM
Hi Monkeys,

Three years. At least we heard Joran admit to it several months ago. I hope Beth is ok.

Good to see you YR.  Yes, I hope Beth is OK too, also Dave, Robin and Jug.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 30, 2008, 11:40:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs

Thanks Carpe.  You can always be counted on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 30, 2008, 11:43:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs

Carpe …Thanks…Will catch it in the morning! DH is snoozong!!!

Always 1…my sister, nieces, nephews, cousins all have ‘mobile phones’…I assure you they are not car phones though they may spend a lot of time in the car. ::MonkeyHaHa::  They are covered a lot in the PVs and a lot of the peeps don't even have a car.

Hi Yellow Ribbon...Goodnight all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 11:44:47 PM
I must give Kudo's to Carpe and ROb for there awesome youtubes! Everytime I am researching Aruba their videos are the first and last ones I see  ::cartwheel::


Hey thanks, *******...

I figure if they can continue on to torment Nat's family like this...

We need to be like a Visa card for Aruba....

We are going to be EVERYWHERE THEY WANNA BE!

Every YOU TUBE is the equivalent of a Stinger Missle to me.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: carpe noctem on May 30, 2008, 11:45:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs

Thanks Carpe.  You can always be counted on.


Glad to do it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 30, 2008, 11:50:52 PM
Yawn...getting really tired, been up for about 40 hours...my Sweet Aunt is resting well tonight...so I can sleep...

Good Work Cage Mates...I'm mighty proud to be a member here...

C-Ya all tomorrow....Sleep With the Angels....Night Natalee...

Destiny...ps...Thanks Kermie...ribbit ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Observer on May 31, 2008, 12:00:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_7un3fZTTs

Carpe …Thanks…Will catch it in the morning! DH is snoozong!!!

Always 1…my sister, nieces, nephews, cousins all have ‘mobile phones’…I assure you they are not car phones though they may spend a lot of time in the car. ::MonkeyHaHa::  They are covered a lot in the PVs and a lot of the peeps don't even have a car.

Hi Yellow Ribbon...Goodnight all!

You definetly get the award for the early bird monkey.. Night  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
Yawn...getting really tired, been up for about 40 hours...my Sweet Aunt is resting well tonight...so I can sleep...

Good Work Cage Mates...I'm mighty proud to be a member here...

C-Ya all tomorrow....Sleep With the Angels....Night Natalee...

Destiny...ps...Thanks Kermie...ribbit ;-)

Nite Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 31, 2008, 12:39:30 AM
Hi Guys!

Just remembering Natalee tonight. Her family and friends are in my thoughts, and my mind keeps wandering back to three years ago, and I have this irrational urgency to do something to stop it before it happens. Silly, huh? 3 years. When will Justice come?

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/candle/candle2.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on May 31, 2008, 12:46:04 AM
With her advance studies in high school, Natalee should be approaching her graduation from the first leg of her college career. Her future promise should be closer than ever, and she should be caught up in studies, dating, sorority friends, and young womanhood.

What a tragedy, how terribly, terribly sad and useless.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2008, 01:49:00 AM
I appreciate your thoughts CBB, if I could have put my feelings into words today; my posts would have mirrored yours.  It was a sad day.  Thanks for saying what I couldn't.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 31, 2008, 01:52:05 AM
This must be the fastest the OM ever denied anything.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

wow they sure picked up their response time... down from three years to only several hours. This is a remarkable development in itself.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Now, if only we can get them to respond this fast to the next missing 12 year old it will be a miracle.

Come to think of it, in the drowning pics, those pics look like a child up close and when the picture is cleaned up.  The head thrown back.  Stomach full of water, and the shorts are not really shorts, but a nude body with a black cloth or a blotch out over the midsection.  The feet look longer, etc, but that is from the pics being manipulated, possibly.
The man holding the arms both up to his chest.  The white man does not have the other arm.  The picture makes it look like he does, but keep looking at it, he does not.  That picture, the body and the legs do not make for one adult.    Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2008, 02:12:49 AM

My heart has been with the family of Natalee Holloway today.  Three years and ... Aruba still refuses to afford them closure.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Special thanks again to Destiny and all Monkeys who contributed to the letter.  You all did an excellent job.  It was just perfect.

Good night ... jackb, msmarple, texasmom, klaasend and 7 Guests (who) are viewing this topic.

Janet
11:10 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: texasmom on May 31, 2008, 02:32:11 AM


Good night Janet.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 31, 2008, 02:41:39 AM
Who has possession of that shoe at this very moment?  Anyone know?  Where is the shoe?

Probably that perv Martin from Thailand and God only knows what he's doing with it and how much he paid the ALE for it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

it's probably under his pillow right now. ::MonkeyHaHa::

eeeewwwwwwwwwww......LOL

I am thinking the shoe was machine washed before they were hidden with whatever else may be there, meant to be found perhaps when this all went away pretty much (it hasn't) and it would have taken it away from the sloot house.  The shoe looks like someone tied it so the strings would not come out in washing.  The ALE (Vanderstratten? Jacobs?) found the shoe and gave it back to Palus to hide.  The little pastic thingie on the end is missing on one like they come off when washed.  The shoe was supposed to have been relatively new and a washing would take the little pastic off the end.  The other shoe, I sincerely believe is in that cage with NH. Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 03:03:59 AM
Hi Monkeys,

Three years. At least we heard Joran admit to it several months ago. I hope Beth is ok.

Good to see you YR.  Yes, I hope Beth is OK too, also Dave, Robin and Jug.

and Natalee's brother.

Thanks, Carpe, for the catch of the day--youtube.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 03:12:55 AM
Yawn...getting really tired, been up for about 40 hours...my Sweet Aunt is resting well tonight...so I can sleep...

Good Work Cage Mates...I'm mighty proud to be a member here...

C-Ya all tomorrow....Sleep With the Angels....Night Natalee...

Destiny...ps...Thanks Kermie...ribbit ;-)

Destiny, thanks for arranging that letter for us, friends of Natalee.  You have been going through a lot in your personal life, it must have taken a huge effort to stay focused and I appreciate it.  I appreciate all the other monkeys and their contributions, too. 

I am proud to stand with the monkeys.  We may bend, but we will never break.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: jackb on May 31, 2008, 03:25:49 AM
CHECK ONE TWO CHECK ONE TWO

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SHOECOMPARASION1.jpg)

The shoes are not the same.  The old shoe found has a place to lace on each letter strip on the side (one partially hidden) plus metal loop nearer the toe.  The newer looking shoe is minus the metal loop nearer the to area,  plus it may be one less at the very top of the shoe.  Also the older shoe has a red bottom, as what appears to be a red bottom of a shoe in the bag picture where it appears the head is lying upon the shoe.  jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: finngirl on May 31, 2008, 03:53:14 AM

Lala's ... re Geraldo's ATM statements:

it was early june/at night
he was standing on a streetcorner
the wind was blowing his hair like crazy
he said he'd been talking to locals
who wished to remain anonymous
and he gestured over his shoulder
to another street/an alley where they'd been talking

there are posts which refer to what he said

the early posts are mostly mocking him
and some of the later posts salute his accuracy
in light of what developed as time went on:

1. ATM withdrawals
2. JvdS' lines of credit in casinos
3. JvdS drives the most tricked-out car on the island
4. underage-girl gang bang video

that was the list he stated and it's the damnedest thing
how the link to that video has disappeared

Geraldo left the island fairly soon afterward and some said:
he's a loose cannon/they pulled the plug on him ...
but in reality he left on pre-arranged leave

Marion June 17, 2005: Marion to Bermuda cruising yacht racers off to clean start.
Among the hundreds of amateur sailors in the fleet, celebrity Sir John Vereker, the Governor of Bermuda, is sailing on Babe with Dr Colin Couper and Geraldo Rivera is racing his own 70’ S&S custom Voyager, the vessel he sailed ‘round the world.
http://tinyurl.com/4ktfo8

he returned for a short time during that summer
and then left again for awhile
after his child was born aug 2, 2005

if anyone finds a link to that video/transcript  :salut: :cool:

I found this in my notes: Tuesday, August 02, 2005
(not sure who the third/fourth posters were ...
ditto re "not supposed to mention his name")

chloe2 wrote:      
I wonder where that line of credit statement came from. I heard it a long time ago, but don't remember where.

Sooz wrote:      
Beth and Jug said it tonight in their interview with Greta. Or Beth said it, but it was just tonight.   

Yes, I heard Beth say it tonight. What I'm saying is... I've heard it before, early on in the case. I think I know what article it was in, but I can't find it yet, and we're not supposed to mention his name here.

I just remembered where I heard a couple of things talked about this week. One of the earliest Geraldo broadcasts reported that Joran was a well-known underage driver of one of the more tricked-out cars on the island & was rumored to have lines of credit at casinos. I remember thinking "daaaaamn". Never heard another word about it.

Last night/sb wrote:      
The "line of credit" thing speaks volumes about how Joran got special considerations all over that island. I simply CANNOT believe that he wasn't able to get away with driving his own car around. I mean, they let him do everything else!

Just a thought there. Maybe he DID get to drive and we don't know it.

If that's so, why would he need a chauffeur? Maybe the brothers were along for "additional assistance?"
   
writenow wrote:
SB maybe "Joran's" car was actually Deepak's. The kids at the lighthouse told Charles Croes that Deepak's car was Joran's and led him to the van der Sloot home. I didn't hear that they led him to the Kalpoe home. Maybe Joran drove Deepak's car a LOT.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 04:23:31 AM
Thanks Finngirl...so it is possible that Geraldo is the one that first brought up the ATM withdrawals by Paulus....hmmmm. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: ldstlou on May 31, 2008, 06:35:47 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!!

Look at me...all dressed up for the 4th of July and I got changed all by myself!! lol

Thanks CBB!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 07:45:35 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!!

Look at me...all dressed up for the 4th of July and I got changed all by myself!! lol

Thanks CBB!!! ::MonkeyDance::

And...don't you look sooo cute!  Morning girl...Praying that the Universe is sending you all the tools to help you and your little Guy...deal with adversity... ((((((((((Idstlou and Little One))))))))

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 08:44:05 AM
Question...has anyone seen the hard copy/print version of Diario for yesterday...Friday...I'm interested to know if our article was in the paper.  I was told it would be printed in Pap and English...haven't seen anything in the forum about it yet...TIA

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 08:48:26 AM
Yawn...getting really tired, been up for about 40 hours...my Sweet Aunt is resting well tonight...so I can sleep...

Good Work Cage Mates...I'm mighty proud to be a member here...

C-Ya all tomorrow....Sleep With the Angels....Night Natalee...

Destiny...ps...Thanks Kermie...ribbit ;-)

Destiny, thanks for arranging that letter for us, friends of Natalee.  You have been going through a lot in your personal life, it must have taken a huge effort to stay focused and I appreciate it.  I appreciate all the other monkeys and their contributions, too. 

I am proud to stand with the monkeys.  We may bend, but we will never break.

TY Bearly...but I must say...that letter was a group effort...many hearts and minds were the creators of the final product...a labor of love for Natalee...by many...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2008, 09:26:46 AM
Good morning, Destiny!! Not much to say, but thanks again for your hard work and "connections" on Aruba!!! (Didn't want you talkin' to yourself this morning  ::MonkeyWink::)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 09:27:52 AM
Sat...NY Times online...our Article...link to SM..

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/aruba/index.html

Headlines Around The Web
What's This?
The Tipping Point

May 30, 2008
Dear Friends in Aruba - Natalee Holloway missing 3 years
Computer Business Review Online

May 29, 2008


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 09:33:56 AM
Good morning, Destiny!! Not much to say, but thanks again for your hard work and "connections" on Aruba!!! (Didn't want you talkin' to yourself this morning  ::MonkeyWink::)

LOL...Mornin' Wreck...I always talk to myself...but 'tis good to see you this morning...I finally got some sleep last night...feels so good...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 09:35:11 AM
So it's quiet in here today?  I guess everyone slept in...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 09:36:47 AM
From WebSleuths...our article with link to SM front page


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 09:37:29 AM
From WebSleuths...our article with link to SM front page

           
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Orange County, Calif
Posts: 9,327
This letter was submitted by a group at scaredmonkeys. Diario published this today on the Third Anniversary of Natalee's Disappearance. The monkeys are a very dedicated group of supporters of Natalee and her family.

fran



http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2752/30/

Dear Friends in Aruba

Friday, 30 May 2008


As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we come to you, the kind people of Aruba , to help heal our pain.

We thank those of you who have grieved and prayed for justice with us, knowing our loss will never fade. We still cry out for our lost daughter, sister, grandchild, niece and friend. We need resolve and peace in her loss, and come to you to find this.

We know that Aruba also has suffered because of this tragedy. Together, with the common goal of bringing Natalee home, we can end the suffering and pain so many have had to bear. Injustice by a few, no matter where in this world it exists, threatens all of us.



<<please go to link for full content>>


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 09:40:25 AM
Posted at BFN regarding Joran's May 31, 2005 statement:

She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States.

All other statements have Natalee not wanting to return to the HI. Paulus was in attendance for this statement and I believe not for the others.
In this statement he admits to going into the water up to their knees. What ever for? Natalee was already very drunk according to Deepak and Satish. The interview with Greta he absolutely did not go in the water.

I would like to see the statements from around the time "something bad happened", because I believe he confessed. van der Stratten painted a rather strange picture of him and his emotions. He was interrogated long and very late. The OM was concerned it was not legal to do so. No counsel present, so Joran's statement was shredded? van der Stratten offered him a mental institution over jail time. Strange for a system that has no plea bargaining.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 09:53:22 AM
Gretawire/fox  via google:

3 Years Ago Tonight…. « GretaWire
Dear Friends in Aruba Friday, 30 May 2008 As the 3 year mark of the loss of Natalee Holloway draws near, we come to you, the kind people of Aruba , to help ...
feeds.foxnews.com/~r/blogs/Gretawire/~3/301554745/ - 116k - 13 hours ago - Cached - Similar pages


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Posted at BFN regarding Joran's May 31, 2005 statement:

She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States.

All other statements have Natalee not wanting to return to the HI. Paulus was in attendance for this statement and I believe not for the others.
In this statement he admits to going into the water up to their knees. What ever for? Natalee was already very drunk according to Deepak and Satish. The interview with Greta he absolutely did not go in the water.

I would like to see the statements from around the time "something bad happened", because I believe he confessed. van der Stratten painted a rather strange picture of him and his emotions. He was interrogated long and very late. The OM was concerned it was not legal to do so. No counsel present, so Joran's statement was shredded? van der Stratten offered him a mental institution over jail time. Strange for a system that has no plea bargaining.

right here is the kidnapping and he should have been made a formal suspect on the spot and charged with abduction and kidnapping.

we were told if you kidnap a person and do not return them - it's 8 years.

but NOOOOO

they claimed they were going after the whole enchilada... when in fact they were a big bunch of chulapas.

I'm ready to start year 4.

Good Morning everyone.

Great job once again Destiny.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 10:00:43 AM
http://www.buzztracker.com/story/f551e6c713582b2610fd4aee/caribbean

Our article with link to SM fP


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:05:24 AM
I noticed on Greta blog last night there is a comment form Megan Twitty - remember that was the person with the excite.com email address... and who ever that was posted a big blurb about Rene Gielen.

who is this Megan Twitty??

is this Renfro?

anyone know???

This person was on the initial reward poster and it still might be cataloged at World Journier.

I just checked - it's still there - scroll down a little bit.

http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

++++++++++++++

Comment by Megan Twitty
May 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Documentary about tunnelvision in Holloway drama/soap

Report of Rene Roodheuvel

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Gielen has made a documentary in which the ‘other’ side is exposed, that of the Holloway family itself. A side that may also affects the political relationship between the United States and the Netherlands. Monday, June 2, the documentary ready.

“So far everything has been focused on Joran and the Kalpoe brothers, who would have Natalee slightly affected. The family (of Natalee, red) or something else on the American side, we have never seen,” says the documentairemaakster.

The investigation by Justice has been unilaterally and that’s not the hook, find Gielen: “There are always two sides to an issue. If one side is not studied, you never get a good picture of the total of what happened could be . ” Before the missing may also much happened, she says.

Not to go home
“Natalee did not want to go home”, is the conviction of Gielen. They do not know why they do not want to go home. Mother Beth Twitty has never responded to its requests for her to speak about the case. The documentary must show that they already knew that Natalee would not go home for them was missing. The mother came much earlier than they ever Aruba has claimed. They brought posters along with a call to Natalee to contact us.

Gielen hopes that her documentary, in which strange circumstances in a row to be put, the door opens to a proper investigation. “There appears to be a link between all those elements and that makes it clear that something with Natalee on the hand. I hope that this will lead to new questions.”

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Hoofdverdachte Joran van der Sloot is not for her film and which is therefore not intended to him again ‘bullying’. Gielen also believes that he is not there something to do with it, except that he has been very stupid to lie about the case.

U.S. Opposition
One of the sources of the journalist is Prosecutor Gerald Dompig, who initially led the investigation, but which were abandoned. He says, inter alia, that he is opposed by the FBI and that the political relationship between the Netherlands and the U.S. became involved. “It touches almost the White House,” he says in the documentary. The stepfather of Natalee has said that he has contacts with the White House.

Gielen thinks that the enormous attention in the U.S. intended to lead to the attention of the things that were not outwards. For Dompig they cross the hand in the fire. Despite repeated requests, wanted the current investigation in Aruba not speak with her.

Gielen Netherlands is in talks with potential interested broadcasters. It is also intended to film in the United States on television. How and when Natalee, the unrevealed Time Lines on the Antilles and Aruba will be seen, it is still unknown.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/30/3-years-ago-tonight/#comments


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 31, 2008, 10:11:20 AM
The REAL Megan Twitty is Jug's daughter.... who made the original
Kidnapped Posters....the posters that Jan v/d Stratten would not
allow them to post.

I do not believe that the poster using Megan Twitty is
the daughter of Jug.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 10:12:44 AM
The REAL Megan Twitty is Jug's daughter.... who made the original
Kidnapped Posters....the posters that Jan v/d Stratten would not
allow them to post.

I do not believe that the poster using Megan Twitty is
the daughter of Jug.


Absolutely NOT the real Megan Twitty.  I wish I had access to Gretawire IP's of posters.  THAT Megan Twitty is most likely Renfro or the like. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:14:48 AM
Thank you ladies.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: mojo on May 31, 2008, 10:15:08 AM
justice for natalee is all we ask. is that so much?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:19:23 AM
considering Megan has not been a person in the forefront of this case, why would someone use that SN unless it was someone that had intimate knowledge of the case and was there from the first moments??? That is hardly someone that we think about when we think of this case.

has to be Renho or Muzzlehoffer.

we all know Rentaho was involved WITH the posters - so even if she didn't post that - she's guilty guilty GUILTY  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2008, 10:20:57 AM
The REAL Megan Twitty is Jug's daughter.... who made the original
Kidnapped Posters....the posters that Jan v/d Stratten would not
allow them to post.

I do not believe that the poster using Megan Twitty is
the daughter of Jug.


Absolutely NOT the real Megan Twitty.  I wish I had access to Gretawire IP's of posters.  THAT Megan Twitty is most likely Renfro or the like. 
Year 4 starts today and it is sadly evident Aruba is not only failing to yield to the truth and try to bring this story to conclusion -- they are in fact doubling up their effort to further obfuscate. If they think the last 3 years have been hell for them -- just wait. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:23:39 AM
justice for natalee is all we ask. is that so much?

Good question mojo.. when you consider a trial would interfere with Joran's drug smuggling, criminal activities, world travel, and future assaults (all known as continuing his studies), yes it seems that is too much to ask.

somebody needs to take that cinder block head out!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 31, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
The REAL Megan Twitty is Jug's daughter.... who made the original
Kidnapped Posters....the posters that Jan v/d Stratten would not
allow them to post.

I do not believe that the poster using Megan Twitty is
the daughter of Jug.


Absolutely NOT the real Megan Twitty.  I wish I had access to Gretawire IP's of posters.  THAT Megan Twitty is most likely Renfro or the like. 

Renfro has always thrown Megan Twitty's name around quite freely.
It was my first thought that it was her.  Of course it could be the
Evil Siddalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 31, 2008, 10:24:22 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2008, 10:28:30 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::
I really, really, really, don't get it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:28:40 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

well, that's a totally brilliant move.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

Neither surprise me.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: casa on May 31, 2008, 10:30:35 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

I also heard that Glenda/Julia is a member there along with that nut called Obscuregawdess that worships Joran.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Magnolia on May 31, 2008, 10:30:52 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

How proud they must be to have Charlie Rat as a mod.  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2008, 10:33:05 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

Neither surprise me.   
Well, I would sure as hell NEVER register there as these cretins now have access to everyone's e-mail and private information. I would be livid if I was already a member there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 31, 2008, 10:33:58 AM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/julia1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Julia2.jpg)


OHHHH YES Glenda has been there for a while


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:34:29 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 31, 2008, 10:36:48 AM
I noticed on Greta blog last night there is a comment form Megan Twitty - remember that was the person with the excite.com email address... and who ever that was posted a big blurb about Rene Gielen.

who is this Megan Twitty??

is this Renfro?

anyone know???

This person was on the initial reward poster and it still might be cataloged at World Journier.

I just checked - it's still there - scroll down a little bit.

http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

++++++++++++++

Comment by Megan Twitty
May 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Documentary about tunnelvision in Holloway drama/soap

Report of Rene Roodheuvel

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Gielen has made a documentary in which the ‘other’ side is exposed, that of the Holloway family itself. A side that may also affects the political relationship between the United States and the Netherlands. Monday, June 2, the documentary ready.

“So far everything has been focused on Joran and the Kalpoe brothers, who would have Natalee slightly affected. The family (of Natalee, red) or something else on the American side, we have never seen,” says the documentairemaakster.

The investigation by Justice has been unilaterally and that’s not the hook, find Gielen: “There are always two sides to an issue. If one side is not studied, you never get a good picture of the total of what happened could be . ” Before the missing may also much happened, she says.

Not to go home
“Natalee did not want to go home”, is the conviction of Gielen. They do not know why they do not want to go home. Mother Beth Twitty has never responded to its requests for her to speak about the case. The documentary must show that they already knew that Natalee would not go home for them was missing. The mother came much earlier than they ever Aruba has claimed. They brought posters along with a call to Natalee to contact us.

Gielen hopes that her documentary, in which strange circumstances in a row to be put, the door opens to a proper investigation. “There appears to be a link between all those elements and that makes it clear that something with Natalee on the hand. I hope that this will lead to new questions.”

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Hoofdverdachte Joran van der Sloot is not for her film and which is therefore not intended to him again ‘bullying’. Gielen also believes that he is not there something to do with it, except that he has been very stupid to lie about the case.

U.S. Opposition
One of the sources of the journalist is Prosecutor Gerald Dompig, who initially led the investigation, but which were abandoned. He says, inter alia, that he is opposed by the FBI and that the political relationship between the Netherlands and the U.S. became involved. “It touches almost the White House,” he says in the documentary. The stepfather of Natalee has said that he has contacts with the White House.

Gielen thinks that the enormous attention in the U.S. intended to lead to the attention of the things that were not outwards. For Dompig they cross the hand in the fire. Despite repeated requests, wanted the current investigation in Aruba not speak with her.

Gielen Netherlands is in talks with potential interested broadcasters. It is also intended to film in the United States on television. How and when Natalee, the unrevealed Time Lines on the Antilles and Aruba will be seen, it is still unknown.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/30/3-years-ago-tonight/#comments

this is a automatic translation of this article:
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080530_gielen-holloway


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 10:38:28 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Methinks Robin might have some jealousy issues with Beth...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: casa on May 31, 2008, 10:39:26 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 10:40:08 AM
How did Julia see Natalee's Cell Phone Bill.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/julia1.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Julia2.jpg)


OHHHH YES Glenda has been there for a while

Oh...random guess...Robin?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 31, 2008, 10:41:13 AM
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car2008-05-31_oduber

some more spin about the salary of the procureur generaal / public prosecutor.

Oduber says he can't remember making the decision that nobody on the island can earn more than he does.
this is what Rudy Croes said.

Oduber says it is unfortunate that the salary conflict was covered by the press.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:41:20 AM
Hi caesu, I saw yesterday that Johan said that Rene technical equipment was not all that good. I personally do not know a lot about that type of equipment, but has anyone considered that Rene Gielen was the one that butchered the Skeeter's tapes?

all she would need is access to the tapes - which Rentaho said she had and some sound equipment and there you have it!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 31, 2008, 10:42:26 AM
Joran's June 9, 2005 "signed" statement:

You are informing me that when I was first interviewed as a witness that I told the detective that Natalee and me got out of the car close to/near Fisherman's Hut and walked in the sea.
To your question as to what I can state about that, I answer you that I did not say that. It also isn't in my witness statement.


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0


Shaniro Kelly  (? did this really get filed May 31, 2005?, Why didn't Joran sign this section? Why didn't Jacobs cosign?).  Did this get added, to help Joran not be a lying witness, in regards to his "final version?.....or could Shaniro Kelly possibly be somewhat honest?  What do we know about him?

Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)

 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:43:58 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 :smt102 casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 10:44:42 AM
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car2008-05-31_oduber

some more spin about the salary of the procureur generaal / public prosecutor.

Oduber says he can't remember making the decision that nobody on the island can earn more than he does.
this is what Rudy Croes said.

Oduber says it is unfortunate that the salary conflict was covered by the press.

Caesu...did you happen to see Friday hard copy of Diario...was article in paper...if so...how did it look...TIA  Des


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: caesu on May 31, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car2008-05-31_oduber

some more spin about the salary of the procureur generaal / public prosecutor.

Oduber says he can't remember making the decision that nobody on the island can earn more than he does.
this is what Rudy Croes said.

Oduber says it is unfortunate that the salary conflict was covered by the press.

Caesu...did you happen to see Friday hard copy of Diario...was article in paper...if so...how did it look...TIA  Des

i don't have access to the print copy of this paper over here.

i also would like to see it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: casa on May 31, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 :smt102 casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.

Rob, I am in no way defending Robin.  I am astonished that she would suck up to these people. It might do no good at all if that is really her reason.  I was meaning to imply that as Natalee's stepmother I would hope her reason for talking to these people would be an innocent one.  If it were me there is no way in hell I would have any contact with this group!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: wreck on May 31, 2008, 10:52:16 AM
Is anyone here a member at BNH?? I hope you take action to prevent your personal info being distributed to Charlierat and Gielen!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Rob on May 31, 2008, 10:57:26 AM
Rob, I am in no way defending Robin.  I am astonished that she would suck up to these people. It might do no good at all if that is really her reason.  I was meaning to imply that as Natalee's stepmother I would hope her reason for talking to these people would be an innocent one.  If it were me there is no way in hell I would have any contact with this group!
casa,
believe me, I know you're not defending Robin, just giving a possible explanation.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 11:02:21 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 11:08:29 AM
I noticed on Greta blog last night there is a comment form Megan Twitty - remember that was the person with the excite.com email address... and who ever that was posted a big blurb about Rene Gielen.

who is this Megan Twitty??

is this Renfro?

anyone know???

This person was on the initial reward poster and it still might be cataloged at World Journier.

I just checked - it's still there - scroll down a little bit.

http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

++++++++++++++

Comment by Megan Twitty
May 30th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Documentary about tunnelvision in Holloway drama/soap

Report of Rene Roodheuvel

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Gielen has made a documentary in which the ‘other’ side is exposed, that of the Holloway family itself. A side that may also affects the political relationship between the United States and the Netherlands. Monday, June 2, the documentary ready.

“So far everything has been focused on Joran and the Kalpoe brothers, who would have Natalee slightly affected. The family (of Natalee, red) or something else on the American side, we have never seen,” says the documentairemaakster.

The investigation by Justice has been unilaterally and that’s not the hook, find Gielen: “There are always two sides to an issue. If one side is not studied, you never get a good picture of the total of what happened could be . ” Before the missing may also much happened, she says.

Not to go home
“Natalee did not want to go home”, is the conviction of Gielen. They do not know why they do not want to go home. Mother Beth Twitty has never responded to its requests for her to speak about the case. The documentary must show that they already knew that Natalee would not go home for them was missing. The mother came much earlier than they ever Aruba has claimed. They brought posters along with a call to Natalee to contact us.

Gielen hopes that her documentary, in which strange circumstances in a row to be put, the door opens to a proper investigation. “There appears to be a link between all those elements and that makes it clear that something with Natalee on the hand. I hope that this will lead to new questions.”

On May 30 it is exactly three years ago that no trace of Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba. The disappearance of the American has since been an unprecedented media attention. According to the Curaçaose filmmaker Renee Gielen leads the whole criminal in the Holloway case meets Tunnel.

Despite all efforts by the Public Ministry, for instance, crime reporter Peter R. de Vries, there are still no perpetrators convicted. Joran van der Sloot is true, although as main accused number one, but he is still at liberty

Hoofdverdachte Joran van der Sloot is not for her film and which is therefore not intended to him again ‘bullying’. Gielen also believes that he is not there something to do with it, except that he has been very stupid to lie about the case.

U.S. Opposition
One of the sources of the journalist is Prosecutor Gerald Dompig, who initially led the investigation, but which were abandoned. He says, inter alia, that he is opposed by the FBI and that the political relationship between the Netherlands and the U.S. became involved. “It touches almost the White House,” he says in the documentary. The stepfather of Natalee has said that he has contacts with the White House.

Gielen thinks that the enormous attention in the U.S. intended to lead to the attention of the things that were not outwards. For Dompig they cross the hand in the fire. Despite repeated requests, wanted the current investigation in Aruba not speak with her.

Gielen Netherlands is in talks with potential interested broadcasters. It is also intended to film in the United States on television. How and when Natalee, the unrevealed Time Lines on the Antilles and Aruba will be seen, it is still unknown.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/30/3-years-ago-tonight/#comments

Well, I guess Joran's 5/30 statement just blew RG's show right out of the water.  He says on the statement she wanted to go home.  How does it feel to have the sporter blow it up your azz at every turn, Anita?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 11:15:52 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

I also heard that Glenda/Julia is a member there along with that nut called Obscuregawdess that worships Joran.

Casa, I have been trying to catch you online.  I have a friend for you.

             (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/NowwhatdoIdo.jpg)
                  Now what do I do?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Maggie on May 31, 2008, 11:17:00 AM

Sorry if I am out of line here, but frequently it seems to me as if Robin is/or is enabling others to:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff261/yggep_1/egqltpjc.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 11:19:37 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I didn't know you posted that.  Great minds and all...
 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sandy leiva on May 31, 2008, 11:20:19 AM
Sorry,That person sacrificed a goat (Cabrito)and not a pig  ::MonkeyConfused::

look closer not just goat parts,human too


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 11:26:31 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 :smt102 casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.

Rob, I am in no way defending Robin.  I am astonished that she would suck up to these people. It might do no good at all if that is really her reason.  I was meaning to imply that as Natalee's stepmother I would hope her reason for talking to these people would be an innocent one.  If it were me there is no way in hell I would have any contact with this group!

I was being facetious.

It looks like an inside job.  Where better to get info than from Nat's dad.  Can a wife like this pass the sniff test?

         (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/monkeysecretary.jpg)
          What's that smell?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: casa on May 31, 2008, 11:33:57 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

I also heard that Glenda/Julia is a member there along with that nut called Obscuregawdess that worships Joran.

Casa, I have been trying to catch you online.  I have a friend for you.

             (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/NowwhatdoIdo.jpg)
                  Now what do I do?

How cute, Bearly!  I love my new friend!  Thanks for thinking of me! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: casa on May 31, 2008, 11:35:40 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I didn't know you posted that.  Great minds and all...
 ::MonkeyDance::

lol yes!  Great minds! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on May 31, 2008, 11:37:08 AM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

I also heard that Glenda/Julia is a member there along with that nut called Obscuregawdess that worships Joran.

Casa, I have been trying to catch you online.  I have a friend for you.

             (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/NowwhatdoIdo.jpg)
                  Now what do I do?

How cute, Bearly!  I love my new friend!  Thanks for thinking of me! ::MonkeyDance::

You're welcome.  I love the fat tail and the picture was labeled the way I posted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Helen Back on May 31, 2008, 11:37:28 AM
Good morning everyone! 

Beginning of year four......count me in for the duration!

Great job Destiny and everyone on the letter.  It seems to be getting a lot of circulation throughout the US news media as well.  Excellent.

With every passing fiasco, it is abundantly clear to even the most casual ******* that Aruban officials have never had the intention of investigating Natalee's disappearance.  If you could manage to discount almost everything about the case, you cannot get around the fact that Natalee was kidnapped and she disappeared.
Why those responsible for her kidnapping and subsequent disappearance have not been charged, is unexplainable.

Renee Gielen's upcoming "production" will only further demonstrate the rampant and continuing collusion against, and defamation of Natalee and her family.  With every moment of inaction that passes, Aruban officials dig a deeper hole for the island. 

One day, when the truth is known and there is some measure of justice for Natalee and her family, the island of Aruba and her people may recover. 

The corrupt regime and their cronies who have orchestrated this disaster will never recover, and will carry this shameful legacy forever.




 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Peaches on May 31, 2008, 11:45:07 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 :smt102 casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.

It's not just you, honey.  I don't get it at all.  I hope Robin has a solid plan for whatever she's doing.  Who knows? 

Good morning....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 11:48:45 AM
a private board with a family member of Natalee's snakin' up with all the low lives of this case.


We need a fart emoticon that makes an actual noise when you post it.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


I've always heard, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  I have no clue if that is what Robin is doing or not but I would like to think that might be her reason other than some other possibilities.

 :smt102 casa, I know others have said that, but seriously, what good could that REALLY do??? I see no purpose... sorry - that's just me.

It's not just you, honey.  I don't get it at all.  I hope Robin has a solid plan for whatever she's doing.  Who knows? 

Good morning....

Morning Sweet Peaches...I personally think Robin is hungry for attention...so the rats are kissing up to her....I don't think that Robin is totally aware of how devious they are...JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 11:55:08 AM
Sorry,That person sacrificed a goat (Cabrito)and not a pig  ::MonkeyConfused::

look closer not just goat parts,human too


HMMMM!  Shades of Shango...again...Santeria...Marvel comics....mythology....animal sacrifice...this sounds like Ghostbusters....


Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!



OK, I will behave now...maybe...sorta...well... :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on May 31, 2008, 11:57:36 AM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
Just posted at BFN - Joran's 5/31/05 statements  ::MonkeyShocked:: :

[img]

<snipped>

Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
----------------------------------
 
We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

Born in the Netherlands on August 6, 1987, student (International School Aruba) and living on the address Montanja Number 19 Aruba.

His, in Papiamento made statement was by me, KELLY, translated into Dutch, and is as follows:

"Last Sunday around 4 pm I had went to the Excelsior Casino. My father had brought me there. I was at the casino to play "Texas Hold'em".

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

Around 10:30 pm she had told me to go to Carlos and Charlie's. I answered her that I could not go because I had school the next day. She kept on insisting to me going to Carlos and Charlie's. After that I had said that I would go to Carlos and Charlie's.  I had also told her that I would go together with a friend. I have to point out that the girl was drinking white wine while we were in the casino.

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home.  Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking.  The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok.  The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him.  In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car.  All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by.  In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels.  In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.  In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation.  She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

On your question if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt. (with the girl the missing woman Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is referred to, remark by JACOBS).

On your question if I together with the girl had used drugs I answer you no. I also did not see the girl using drugs.

If you have more questions I am willing to answer these.

signed: J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After witness J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he declared that he insisted in that and signed it.

Of which we, verbalisanten, under oath made this PV, closed and signed on Bubali, on Aruba on May 31 2005.


I dreamed about this statement last night.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The spokesperson for the prosecutor implied if the attorneys of the Security Guards and the Kalpoes were not given access to Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration ... it meant that Joran did not implicate their clients.

Well ... the above statement which appears to be Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration does implicate both the Kalpoes and the security guards.

Why was this declaration not given to the Kalpoes' and the security guards' attorneys in the defense of their clients?

Also ... why did John Kelly not have access to any declaration given by Joran prior to his detention.  He was not denied access to the Kalpoes' witness statements of May 31, 2005?


Janet

++++++++++++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE - JORAN'S MISSING WITNESS STATEMENT

Vivian van der Biezen
Nancy Grace
June 10, 2005


VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005


GRACE: Karl, let me get this straight. As you know, in America, when there are several suspects, as we call them co-defendants, they all get the statements of each other. Is that not true in Aruba?

PENHAUL: What one of the chief prosecutors has told us so far, Nancy, is that at this stage, in this stage of the investigation, she`s under no obligation to give full disclosure of all of the facts and all the evidence that she has. She`s not under any obligation to give all of the witness statements to the defense attorneys of the other defendants or the other suspects in this case.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/15/ng.01.html
 

KALPOE'S ATTORNEY DENIED JORAN'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005


KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: ... The other motion was by one of the defense attorneys from the Kalpoe brothers asking for more evidence and documents to be included in the dossier against his client so that he can prepare a defense.
It`s not clear precisely what documentation the Kalpoe brother`s attorney was looking for. But certainly, he`s looking for more evidence, more facts about the evidence that the prosecutors have against his clients.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/15/ng.01.html


Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005


PENHAUL: ... In the evidence that has so far been put in some of the dossiers presented as evidence against the first two suspects, his (Joran) witness statement isn`t there.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


SECURITY GUARD'S ATTORNEY DENIED JORAN'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Chris Lejuez - Security Guard Attorney
NANCY GRACE
June 9, 2005


CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: Nancy, I have seen only the statements of two of the three men. The evidence that I got, the documentation, the files that I received from the prosecutor`s office contained only two of the statements.

My colleague has asked the prosecutor why only the two, not the one of the Dutch boy? She was told by the prosecutor, at least by the prosecutor`s office, that that statement would not be relevant to the case of her suspect, her client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html


JOHN KELLY DENIED JVS WITNESS STATEMENT

John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008


KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: San on May 31, 2008, 12:02:17 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Guy in the red shirt.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Kelly.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Buckeye on May 31, 2008, 12:11:46 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

 :smt102

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaniro_Kelly/706288198


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 12:15:47 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Sorry I saw Buckeye's post earlier and didn't have time to respond...IIRC Shanira Baldock Kelly.(sp) Female, I think...and there is pics of her at the ALE site, but I can't recall the site name right now! Under photos...few of our friends are there...or were a couple of weeks ago!

Can some-one else help with the link please?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

 :smt102

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaniro_Kelly/706288198

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ShaniroKelly.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 12:17:38 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Guy in the red shirt.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/Kelly.jpg)


Darn San...then I definately was looking at the wrong person. Thanks! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 12:23:07 PM
Shanira or Shaniro?  I remember a girl - searching my photos now.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:wdG1Z5YjRjQJ:www.coffeepotghost.com/SPIRIT_VOICE_ITC_RECORDINGS_October_2007.html+human+virgin+sacrifice+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

Long page about Shango and Cannibalism and ritual sacrifice on Aruba...current times...not the past...


Quote from site by site owner:
Q: Please identify "Honey" and "Glenda"; real names; other nick-names; ANY INFO. PLEASE

I know...it's one of those days for me...I was researching this a couple of weeks ago...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on May 31, 2008, 12:31:08 PM
Destiny,

Just wondering if your contact in Aruba would mail you a hard copy of the article...of course a PO Box would be good, but most don't have one....just thinking....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 12:32:18 PM
Shanira or Shaniro?  I remember a girl - searching my photos now.   ::MonkeyWink::

This from my notes from the Dr. Phil docs...maybe there is two??/

Shaniro Baldrik
Shaniro Kelly
Shaniro Baldrik Kelly


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2008, 12:38:10 PM
Just posted at BFN - Joran's 5/31/05 statements  ::MonkeyShocked:: :


<snipped>

Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:

On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
 
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)

 
----------------------------------

<snipped>
 

I contend that the above addendum was included in Joran's original May 31, 2005 declaration and ... the original declaration expanded the Fisherman's Hut account to include Natalee's apparent seizures.

I speculate that this is the reason that the declaration was destroyed and was never released to the attorney's of the Kalpoes and the security guards to prepare their defence.

I suspect that the torn statement that Beth saw on Dennis Jacob's desk on June 1, 2005 was Joran's original witness statement and ... an edited version was recently fabricated and ... purposely leaked.

Something had to be done because Monkeys were still demanding three years later ... "What happened to Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement?"

Janet

++++++++++++

THE SEIZURES

Beth Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: I couldn't believe it because, I mean, it was so stunning, it was so stunning that I was hearing these words that Joran was saying because two- and-a-half years ago, gosh, Greta, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance — 48 hours — the lead detective, Dennis Jacobs, came to me in the Bubali (ph) police station and says, Does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures?  And I thought, No, why are you asking that? And he did it — they did it repeatedly to Jug. And when I was hearing that, it just — it just felt like it brought everything full circle of what we had been fighting for.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329348,00.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
February 15, 2008


TWITTY: Well, I mean, I`ve said it several times, you know, to go over it again, but in the beginning, you know, they ask us questions about the epilepsy and everything, which you wouldn`t normally ask somebody that right out of the chute. So they knew like the second night that she probably wasn`t alive.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html
 
 
Beth Holloway
CNN - LARRY KING LIVE
February 7, 2008


HOLLOWAY: ... And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html


Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005


The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub ...

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach.


THE TORN STATEMENT
 
Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 76


The detective takes a seat at his desk and sorts through some papers before getting ready to type at his computer keyboard.  It's quiet.  I am very cold, waiting for him to begin.  As I stare at the torn documents on the table, the words Joran van der Sloot jump right off one of the ripped pager at me and pierce my eyes.  It's Joran's witness statement, torn up, lying in plain view.   So he has been here.  He has given his statement.  It has been destroyed for some reason.   Did he change his mind?   Can you even do that?  Did someone come along and decide it wasn't in Joran's best interest to go on record about what happened to Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 12:39:56 PM
Klaas...this is the site that I found pics at, but I can't seem to find their site now...LOL...The Aruba Police Corps (KPA)...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 12:42:01 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Sorry I saw Buckeye's post earlier and didn't have time to respond...IIRC Shanira Baldock Kelly.(sp) Female, I think...and there is pics of her at the ALE site, but I can't recall the site name right now! Under photos...few of our friends are there...or were a couple of weeks ago!

Can some-one else help with the link please?  TIA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ShaniraKelly.jpg)

http://www.kparuba.com/

http://www.kparuba.com/albums/pd3/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: bleachedblack on May 31, 2008, 12:45:52 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

 :smt102

http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaniro_Kelly/706288198

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ShaniroKelly.jpg)

Dang he looks about 50lbs heavier in the pic San posted.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
Destiny,

Just wondering if your contact in Aruba would mail you a hard copy of the article...of course a PO Box would be good, but most don't have one....just thinking....

They left for vacation today...for one week...won't be back 'till Monday after next...If there is an Aruban Monkey to mail one...I do have a P.O. box in another town nearby....or if they can scan it for here would be great too!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: MumInOhio on May 31, 2008, 12:56:25 PM
Do we have a photo of Shaniro Kelly?  Anyone?

Sorry I saw Buckeye's post earlier and didn't have time to respond...IIRC Shanira Baldock Kelly.(sp) Female, I think...and there is pics of her at the ALE site, but I can't recall the site name right now! Under photos...few of our friends are there...or were a couple of weeks ago!

Can some-one else help with the link please?  TIA

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ShaniraKelly.jpg)

http://www.kparuba.com/

http://www.kparuba.com/albums/pd3/index.html


Thanks Klaas...not typos...notes from here, copied and pasted...Good luck to the Dr. Phil lawyers if this is what they are working from!!! ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 12:57:12 PM
Destiny,

Just wondering if your contact in Aruba would mail you a hard copy of the article...of course a PO Box would be good, but most don't have one....just thinking....

They left for vacation today...for one week...won't be back 'till Monday after next...If there is an Aruban Monkey to mail one...I do have a P.O. box in another town nearby....or if they can scan it for here would be great too!



I think it was Texasmom who said they had a contact in Aruba that would look for it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 12:58:53 PM
MUM - yes, LOL, I've noticed all the typos in that document.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Destiny on May 31, 2008, 01:03:52 PM
Destiny,

Just wondering if your contact in Aruba would mail you a hard copy of the article...of course a PO Box would be good, but most don't have one....just thinking....

They left for vacation today...for one week...won't be back 'till Monday after next...If there is an Aruban Monkey to mail one...I do have a P.O. box in another town nearby....or if they can scan it for here would be great too!



I think it was Texasmom who said they had a contact in Aruba that would look for it.

TY Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 31, 2008, 01:54:29 PM
Just posted at BFN - Joran's 5/31/05 statements  ::MonkeyShocked:: :

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Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:
On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)
 
----------------------------------
 
We, Dennis JACOBS and Sharino Baldrik KELLY, respectively head officer and officer at the Corps Police Aruba, first mentioned at the Atraco Team, and the last mentioned at the Section Frequent Crimes district 2, declare the following:

On Tuesday, May 31 around 11:20 am, we interrogators, questioned as a witness the man named:

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT

Born in the Netherlands on August 6, 1987, student (International School Aruba) and living on the address Montanja Number 19 Aruba.

His, in Papiamento made statement was by me, KELLY, translated into Dutch, and is as follows:

"Last Sunday around 4 pm I had went to the Excelsior Casino. My father had brought me there. I was at the casino to play "Texas Hold'em".

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

Around 10:30 pm she had told me to go to Carlos and Charlie's. I answered her that I could not go because I had school the next day. She kept on insisting to me going to Carlos and Charlie's. After that I had said that I would go to Carlos and Charlie's.  I had also told her that I would go together with a friend. I have to point out that the girl was drinking white wine while we were in the casino.

Around 11:00 pm, my father had came to pick me up around Mac Donald's. When I walked into the direction of Mac Donald's I had called a friend of mine, named Deepak KALPOE on his cellphone. I had told Deepak that some American girls wanted to go out and if he wanted to go out together with me and them. Deepak had told me he had just left his job that he would go bathe and after that would pick me up at home. I then, together with my father, had driven home.  Deepak has the number XXXXXXXI have a mobile phone that has the number XXXXXXX.

On Monday, May 30 around 00:00 Deepak had picked me up at home. Deepak had also brought his brother Satish in the car. Deepak came with his car, being a grey- 4 door Honda Civic. I had not told my father that I would go out. We immediately drove to Carlos and Charlie's.

Around 00:30 am we had arrived at Carlos and Charlie's. When we got in I saw that a group of 30-50 people were inside. They all were drinking.  The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke. I also had, during the time in which we were in Carlos and Charlie's, drunk a shot of Bacardi 151 proof together with the girl. She also had taken some sips from my whisky coke. We had kissed each others in the Carlos and Charlie's establishment.

Around 01:15, Carlos and Charlie's was closing. Together we walked outside. Outside I had asked the girl if I could go with her together to the Holiday Inn. She had said that she wanted to see my house. I had told her that was ok.  The girl had told her friends that she would go together with me. I together with the girl went to sit on the backseat of Deepak's car. Deepak took the role of the driver of his car and his brother Satish was sitting next to him.  In the car the girl had told us to have the car drive past her friends, so that they could see the car.  All the friends of the girl were standing on the corner of Royal Plaza at the South-East side when we drove by.  In the car we started to kiss each other. My friend Deepak drove by "Choose a Name", Karma lounge and after that we drove over the Saskia road in the direction of the hotels. In the car I had touched the breasts and vagina of the girl. We drove past all the hotels.  In the car I had told the girl that I could not go with her to my house. The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.  In the car the girl said that her mother was the sister of Hitler and that they owned a plantation.  She also said that Deepak and Satish were black and that black people worked as slaves on the plantations. The girl was very drunk.

Around 02:00 am we had arrived at the hotel.  At the entrance of the hotel the girl opened the backdoor of the car and fell on the ground. I then went out by the same door and helped her getting up. The girl had told me not to touch her and pushed my hands away. I saw that she then walked in the direction of the "lobby"of the Holiday Inn Hotel. I had not seen anyone in the "lobby".  My friends Deepak and Satish had told me that they had seen a dark skinned man in the lobby. They further told me that they thought that this man was a guard.  After that we drove away. I had not seen if the girl entered the lobby. The only thing I had seen was that the girl was leaning at a cemented pilar at the entrance.

On your question if I can tell you what the girl was wearing I answer you the following. She was wearing a blue jeans skirt and in my opinion a blue tank-top. I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt. (with the girl the missing woman Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY is referred to, remark by JACOBS).

On your question if I together with the girl had used drugs I answer you no. I also did not see the girl using drugs.

If you have more questions I am willing to answer these.

signed: J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After witness J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he declared that he insisted in that and signed it.

Of which we, verbalisanten, under oath made this PV, closed and signed on Bubali, on Aruba on May 31 2005.


I dreamed about this statement last night.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

The spokesperson for the prosecutor implied if the attorneys of the Security Guards and the Kalpoes were not given access to Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration ... it meant that Joran did not implicate their clients.

Well ... the above statement which appears to be Joran's May 31, 2005 declaration does implicate both the Kalpoes and the security guards.

Why was this declaration not given to the Kalpoes' and the security guards' attorneys in the defense of their clients?

Also ... why did John Kelly not have access to any declaration given by Joran prior to his detention.  He was not denied access to the Kalpoes' witness statements of May 31, 2005?


Janet

++++++++++++++

THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE - JORAN'S MISSING WITNESS STATEMENT

Vivian van der Biezen
Nancy Grace
June 10, 2005


VIVIAN VAN DER BIEZEN, SPOKESPERSON FOR ARUBA PROSECUTOR: This is because when a defense attorney has a client, then the defense attorney will have only the statements that relate to his clients. If the defense attorney doesn`t have information about one of the suspects, this means that this suspect did not have any accusations against his client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005


GRACE: Karl, let me get this straight. As you know, in America, when there are several suspects, as we call them co-defendants, they all get the statements of each other. Is that not true in Aruba?

PENHAUL: What one of the chief prosecutors has told us so far, Nancy, is that at this stage, in this stage of the investigation, she`s under no obligation to give full disclosure of all of the facts and all the evidence that she has. She`s not under any obligation to give all of the witness statements to the defense attorneys of the other defendants or the other suspects in this case.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/15/ng.01.html
 

KALPOE'S ATTORNEY DENIED JORAN'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005


KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: ... The other motion was by one of the defense attorneys from the Kalpoe brothers asking for more evidence and documents to be included in the dossier against his client so that he can prepare a defense.
It`s not clear precisely what documentation the Kalpoe brother`s attorney was looking for. But certainly, he`s looking for more evidence, more facts about the evidence that the prosecutors have against his clients.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/15/ng.01.html


Karl Penhaul
NANCY GRACE
June 15, 2005


PENHAUL: ... In the evidence that has so far been put in some of the dossiers presented as evidence against the first two suspects, his (Joran) witness statement isn`t there.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/10/ng.01.html


SECURITY GUARD'S ATTORNEY DENIED JORAN'S WITNESS STATEMENT

Chris Lejuez - Security Guard Attorney
NANCY GRACE
June 9, 2005


CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: Nancy, I have seen only the statements of two of the three men. The evidence that I got, the documentation, the files that I received from the prosecutor`s office contained only two of the statements.

My colleague has asked the prosecutor why only the two, not the one of the Dutch boy? She was told by the prosecutor, at least by the prosecutor`s office, that that statement would not be relevant to the case of her suspect, her client.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/09/ng.01.html


JOHN KELLY DENIED JVS WITNESS STATEMENT

John Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
February 20, 2008


KELLY:  Let me throw one more thing in on that Greta.  On May 31st, Joran was the first person interviewed by Jacobs when he's taking statements. Every police report subsequent to that, the statements made by Deepak, made by Satish, made by Beth that day, we have them all, there is no statement from Joran until June 9th.

http://www.youtube.com/watch

Maybe this is a revised statement?  One that was edited by PVDS at some point after 5/31/2005?  Maybe this version wasn't available?

I sometimes wonder if the other ALE folks were working on May 31, 2005?

Who would have been given copies of Joran's original 5/31/ statement?  Would besides Jacobs was working that day?

Did they tape this interview?

What else did Joran say that was not included in the PV (which is a summary or similar)?

Was he questioned without his father present?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: sharon on May 31, 2008, 01:58:28 PM
Rumor is that Robin has invited  Rene Gielen to her site at BNH and C Rat is a mod there now   ::MonkeyEek::

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Lie down with skunks, wake up with smelly fleas?

I no longer have it in me to give her the benefit of the doubt. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would gladly apologize and eat my words if she were to prove me wrong.

waiting.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 31, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
"The aforementioned girl immediately came to me took me by my hand and pulled me to the bar.  She laid down on the bar, placed a "Jell-O Shot" in her navel and told me to drink it, which I did. I had noticed that the girl was drunk. I had further together with my friends drunk a "Yard" whisky coke."

Who was this girl?  When I read this, it makes me think it wasn't Natalee, but somene else.

This was before the end of the evening.  Was there another event at some other local's only bar within C&C that did involve Natalee?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 31, 2008, 02:13:03 PM
Another reason that I believe that the recently reveal May 31, 2005 witness statement of Joran has been fabricated.

According to Paulus ... Kelly and Jacobs recorded the interrogation as it was occuring and ... then Joran signed it.  How could the Fisherman's Hut account have been missed out.

I contend the the original May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed (Beth) and ... another one recently fabricated to appease those who have been questioning for three years why this statement never surfaced.  Even the attorneys for the Kalpoes and the securities guards questioned why they were not privy to this  where this statement to prepare their defence.

Janet

++++++++++

Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:

On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.
 
I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.  

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)


++++++++++++

Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005


We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours.  Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.

Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.

We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.

At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on May 31, 2008, 02:23:41 PM

Lala's ... re Geraldo's ATM statements:

it was early june/at night
he was standing on a streetcorner
the wind was blowing his hair like crazy
he said he'd been talking to locals
who wished to remain anonymous
and he gestured over his shoulder
to another street/an alley where they'd been talking

there are posts which refer to what he said

the early posts are mostly mocking him
and some of the later posts salute his accuracy
in light of what developed as time went on:

1. ATM withdrawals
2. JvdS' lines of credit in casinos
3. JvdS drives the most tricked-out car on the island
4. underage-girl gang bang video

that was the list he stated and it's the damnedest thing
how the link to that video has disappeared

Geraldo left the island fairly soon afterward and some said:
he's a loose cannon/they pulled the plug on him ...
but in reality he left on pre-arranged leave

Marion June 17, 2005: Marion to Bermuda cruising yacht racers off to clean start.
Among the hundreds of amateur sailors in the fleet, celebrity Sir John Vereker, the Governor of Bermuda, is sailing on Babe with Dr Colin Couper and Geraldo Rivera is racing his own 70’ S&S custom Voyager, the vessel he sailed ‘round the world.
http://tinyurl.com/4ktfo8

he returned for a short time during that summer
and then left again for awhile
after his child was born aug 2, 2005

if anyone finds a link to that video/transcript  :salut: :cool:

I found this in my notes: Tuesday, August 02, 2005
(not sure who the third/fourth posters were ...
ditto re "not supposed to mention his name")

chloe2 wrote:      
I wonder where that line of credit statement came from. I heard it a long time ago, but don't remember where.

Sooz wrote:      
Beth and Jug said it tonight in their interview with Greta. Or Beth said it, but it was just tonight.   

Yes, I heard Beth say it tonight. What I'm saying is... I've heard it before, early on in the case. I think I know what article it was in, but I can't find it yet, and we're not supposed to mention his name here.

I just remembered where I heard a couple of things talked about this week. One of the earliest Geraldo broadcasts reported that Joran was a well-known underage driver of one of the more tricked-out cars on the island & was rumored to have lines of credit at casinos. I remember thinking "daaaaamn". Never heard another word about it.

Last night/sb wrote:      
The "line of credit" thing speaks volumes about how Joran got special considerations all over that island. I simply CANNOT believe that he wasn't able to get away with driving his own car around. I mean, they let him do everything else!

Just a thought there. Maybe he DID get to drive and we don't know it.

If that's so, why would he need a chauffeur? Maybe the brothers were along for "additional assistance?"
   
writenow wrote:
SB maybe "Joran's" car was actually Deepak's. The kids at the lighthouse told Charles Croes that Deepak's car was Joran's and led him to the van der Sloot home. I didn't hear that they led him to the Kalpoe home. Maybe Joran drove Deepak's car a LOT.

The VDS ATM/financial accounts and their related record for the week or so after Natalee disappeared, what did it show?

Did anyone in ALE do the kind of questioning Geraldo did? 

Why was Joran so well known to the kids on the beach? 

Did ALE ever question the beach bums to find out what they may have seen the morning Joran left her on the beach?

If Natalee was not on the beach, but on the VDS property, is it possible that she was not dead, but in a coma?

Did anyone ask the neighbors to the VDS compound if the VDS had visitors that morning, afternoon, or evening? 

How did the younger VDS kids get to school?  Is there any evidence that they were really in class?  What did they do after school on Monday?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 02:25:57 PM
Posted at BFN:

Finally there's Joran's missing statement from Tue 31st ! Since this is recorded only two days after the real event, his memory should have been the freshest. He also consciously left its content out of his book.

Few things that I found remarkable:

1. The reason why Deepak and Satish were asked about the stop at the Fisherman's huts is now clear. It was Joran who invented this answer to ensure that he had an alibi for being seen on the beach with her. A very risky lie since the brothers were interrogated shortly after Joran on the same day and there was no opportunity to contact eachother to align on this part of the story.

2. It's very strange that such a crucial part of the story (i.e. that they stopped at the FM huts) was not properly recorded and signed by Joran. This smells fishy. Such an important answer is not signed off by Joran? Did he refuse to do so after some advice of his father? Was that statement too incriminating? The first logical question for an interrogator who hears about the stop is: "did anybody see you there on the beach?" (i.e. do you have a witness to verify your story). Of course we could reason that Joran was simply trusted at that time and not yet treated as a suspect. Everyone was in early fact finding mode and assumed she could show up any moment. But still, it's pretty stupid not to ask this important question esp. since Satish and Deepak deny having stopped at the FM huts only a few hours later that day. Pretty darned inconsistent I'd say, so why wait another 9 days to arrest the boys that didn't even agree on such a crucial data point and then arrest the Security guards instead? Really beats me.

3. Joran speaks of Ruth and Natalee as being the same person. Very strange. The white wine reference at the casino also indicates it was Ruth he was talking about (Natalee has a long drink as can be clearly seen on the casino footage). The girls also hardly resemble eachother. Why would he do that? What is he trying to conceal here? Or did he simply not even care about which girl he went out with in the end. He does report that he didn't even recall Natalee's name. Just gives me the feeling he wanted to score some sex and then get to sleep. He treated girls just like a number without keeping any recollection of them.

4. Joran states that he kissed Natalee already in CnC's. He also states that Natalee acted reasonably responsible by telling her friends that she would go with him and also that she wanted her girlfriends to see the car at the junctions. Imo this is new info. As well as the statement that it actually was Joran who asked (or begged?) Natalee if he could go with her to the HI-hotel and then it was Natalee wanting to go to his house instead.

5. Again the timing of the pick up at the MacDonalds is interesting. He always claims it's around 23:00 that his father picked him up, but this is inconsistent with the VDS computer records that show Joran being active at 22:30. Again his statement about the call with Deepak suggests in Dutch that "Deepak had just arrived back (home?) from his work and was bound to take a bath" (this could explain the gap between the Internet café closing at 22:00 on Sundays and Joran calling him between 22:30 - 22:45). I still haven't given up on the theory that all computerrecords are one hour off (except the MSN dialogue) due to incorrect GMT+x settings on the VDS computer. This would move Joran's activity to 23:30 which is consistent with Deepak/Satish reporting that Joran was printing home work on his computer when they picked him up around that time.

I don't know what to think of all of this. Also Deepak firmly stating about not having stopped somewhere, esp. since he later states that they stopped at the Arashi parking lot for a pee. Why this "she fell on the ground when she left the car and I helped her back on her feet but she pushed me away". Other scenarios start to emerge again:

1. Car stops to drop off Joran and Natalee
2. Natalee steps out of the car and falls on the ground but doesn't regain consciousness.
3. The boys see that she's in a very bad shape, they panic and decide to leave her behind in the bushes in the hope someone finds her.
4. They drive off and drop Joran at his house (he's there at 1:50AM). He approaches a friend (Daury or his father) and together they drive back to the beach.
5. They find that Natalee is dead, the friend tells Joran to walk home asap and that he'll dispose of the body.
6. Joran rushes home (throws away his shoes out of fear for detection of foot-prints on the beach) and calls Deepak around 2:26 to tell him in cryptic terms what ("don't worry, it's all fixed. The ocean is big you know"). Already the HI-lie is semi agreed and that's why Freddy already was aware of it on Monday (see his statement).
7. Of course Deepak feels the heat now, since he was partially responsible for leaving her behind in a bad state. Then he pulls himself deeper into the mud. Deepak gets nervous (hence his eagerness to meet Joran the day after) and he decides to join the HI-lie. Joran further reassures him by saying that he'll take the full responsibility in case the HI-lie fails (i.e. just tell them that you dropped both of us at the beach and you two went home). And also let's keep Satish completely ignorant and out of this (which explains the eavesdropped car interview, at least one of the three doesn't have a clue what happened).

Or any other scenario that could have happened.  :(




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: Blonde on May 31, 2008, 02:26:00 PM
Sorry when I said Charlierat was a mod I meant ADMINDTRATOR    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #754 5/28 -
Post by: klaasend on May 31, 2008, 02:27:43 PM
Posted at BFN:

Finally there's Joran's missing statement from Tue 31st ! Since this is recorded only two days after the real event, his memory should have been the freshest. He also consciously left its content out of his book.

Few things that I found remarkable:

1. The reason why Deepak and Satish were asked about the stop at the Fisherman's huts is now clear. It was Joran who invented this answer to ensure that he had an alibi for being seen on the beach wi