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Please take a moment to watch and listen to the video above and remember why we are all here after almost 3 years. 

Your absolutely right about the youtube Carpe and that just changed..I was on two nights ago,so they just changed it within the last 48 hours when you search "Aruba"

I'm all over it *******. It was probably a nasty letter from dark powers.

Switching up tactics in progress.

They will NEVER stop our baby girl's justice & truth from coming forward, as long as
I have a breath in my body. I've never been this serious about anything before
in my life.

...and I AM DAMN PROUD to be considered a MONKEY! We fight with our brains AND hearts!

 ::MonkeyCool::

here we go, close to what i expected a few days ago:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2879.msg386077#msg386077

"i bet if Hirsch Ballin hears what Croes is talking about he is going to say something different.
and then Croes has to backtrack or something."

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_42973.php

outgoing (per july 1st - still no new PG in sight) PG Nico Jörg is calling the statements by Rudy Croes "totally false".
the article is "a canard" (article that needs to be dismissed for being totally wrong)


(article in englisch later in the day)

june 21st - 24th there is the tri-partite meeting between the three justice ministers.
it is going to be an interesting month for the Aruba justice department / OM.
things are heating up about several issues.

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending
________________________________________
Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)
...

Documents Filed (Filing dates listed in descending order)

 
06/04/2008 Stipulation and Order (Related to Electronic Device Analysis )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

05/23/2008 Stipulation (of the Parties to Continue the Ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Deepak You know what's so funny about Your lawsuit against Dr Phil.....Its that You defamed and libeled Yourself way before the tapes......You are really something to think that just because You might be awarded lots of money that Everything will be great in Your world....because one thing is for sure....You will Burn in Hell for Your part in Natalee's Death and Disappearance.....You can be CONFIDENT of that.

FWIW,,,

I intentionally laid a landmine at the Shango thread this ast wee when I took a bite from the past and asked if jossy might possibly be "Dirty Hand" ---

After the result of the to the interview with Dana it makes one wonder even more...

Too much at stake -- jossy's family does control the island and nothing really gets by them...  i am convinced he knows and only tells us what he feels we need to know if and only if, if helps his cause...His brother has been in sooooo much trouble.... many of us have written about this for years...

the last elections were telling...If Jossy's family can re-claim the majority then more will come out -- It is political with strong ties to the wrong place at the wrong time...

I am totally convinced this entire affair was the work of some spoiled young brats given too much liberty to do what they want, when they want without repercussions or consequences and a tragedy occurred -- Political influences like "you scratch my back I scratch yours" are very telling in this case --- IMHO Jossy knows...

You did something intentional to us Shangoers?  No, say it isn't so!  Just exactly how much of Aruba is owned by the Mansurs?  Is that in real estate or business ventures? 

This past week my daughter was in New York City on vacation.  While she was at St. Patrick's she lit a candle for Natalee.  This would have been on May 30.  She took a photo of the candle that she lit in her name.  People asked her why she was taking the photo and she told them it was for Natalee Holloway on the 3 year anniversary of her disappearance in Aruba. Natalee's legacy is one her entire family can be proud of because it reaches in all directions and across many miles. Once again...We Stand with the Girl...I am not giving up the fight!

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j178/dodie_photos/NataleesCandle.jpg)

Lala's...Please tell Your Daughter Thank You and Thank You to You Too for posting the picture!

I seriously doubt Jossy is dirtyhand..In the beginning and for over two years he wanted nothing more then for Natalee to be brought home and for her to get justice and for the killers and cover up to be exposed. He now knows the powers that be will not let that happen and he is only hurting himself,his investments and the future of his Family. He has to live on that island also and face the consequences if he truly wanted to be a voice for Natalee and reveal the truth. He isn't willing to do that,he is against any sort of boycott against his island and it's obvious they played hardball with him and it's in his best interest that he keeps his mouth shut. Jossy was Natalee's only voice in Aruba for a long time and I refuse to believe he is in on the cover up. Just because he knows more that he doesn't say in public,it doesn't mean he is dirtyhand...He is just one man and for all we know they pulled out all the skeletons in his closet so he would be forced to keep his mouth shut. He is not going to risk too much for a battle that he cannot win.

You are most welcome..we all seemed a little down thismorning so I thought that might help us to remember why we are all still here. 

I'm not down at all. My "bottoming out" came this past December when they released everyone again. I have felt since then that we will never have justice in an Aruban/Dutch court. That said, I'm very confident we will finally expose the TRUTH, the ENTIRE world will acknowledge it and Aruba will be FAR worse off than they ever imagined. I also strongly believe that at least a part of Natalee will returned to her family. This keeps me going!

Lala's...Please tell her Thanks from me as well...

I hope she had a great time!

Partial transcript of last nights Dana Pretzer show by Heli at RU:

Dana Pretzer Show
June 4, 2008

Select excerpts transcribed from Podcast June 5, 2008

( .... )

Clint van Zandt:

American tourists go down there now, they go to Carlos & Charlie's like it's a tourist spot to see where Natalee's last night was and move on, so it's amazing that 3 years later we've got 18 year olds going there now who were 14 and 15 at least when that happened, who may not even know the story and go down and now they are potential victims to something similar to that. Those type of activities go on.

I remember being down there and talking to private investigators ...... it's kind of SOP down here that some of the aruban kids down there, they hand out in bars, the american come in the bars, they pick up the girls, they slip them rufinol (sic) they take them out and they become the victim of some kind of physical and sexual assault, the girls go to the police, they complain and they say 'you know, you plane's leaving tomorrow morning, you should just get on a plane and count this as a lesson learned" and you know, this happens over and over again, every day and every week a new plane and a new ship of nice fresh victims show up again.

Dana:

And the government of Aruba does nothing to help that situation and I've said it many times, Natalee Holloway is in a much better place right now and it certainly isn't the island of Aruba.

( ....... )

Art Wood:

I still think this case can be solved. We know we're real close. As far as what happened in Holland, we all know Joran did it and it's a matter of the prosecutor going forward and doing something about it.

( ...... )

There's a witness that's come forward that Joran, at a different part of the island, not close to the fishermen's huts, but more inland towards that pond that was drained and a different pond than that actually, he was going down the street with no shoes, or one shoe on and one shoe off but the prosecutor, they wouldn't drain that new pond, they wouldn't do anything to find that shoe.

It all corresponds to what we know happened. We know that Natalee died at the hands of Joran van der Sloot and whether it happened at the beach or at the pond, it doesn't matter. What matters is who got rid of the body. We know they took it out to sea

( .... )

Dana:

( ... ) Would it be better right now if there was a way to clamp down on any information, to let the pieces fall where they may and maybe we can at least bring Natalee home and get these three gutter scum, I was going to say something else but I can't here, to Court?

Art Wood:

Listen Dana, I don't agree with that at all, and the reason is I believe Joran made a confession on national television. I think a statement was made where he confessed that Natalee died on the beach and they got rid of the body and it's enough for prosecutors to go forward. Now I don't know what's taking them so long.

Dana:

( ... ) only in Aruba can you confess to murder and nothing happen to you. Your thoughts on that statements?

Art Wood:

I'm waiting for the prosecutor to do something about it. I think Joran did confess, your listeners and you, myself and everybody else in the world that's followed this case knows that what he said on those tapes was true. Did he mean to kill Natalee? There's nothing on those tapes that convinces me that he did but he certainly didn't save her. He certainly didn't take any steps to save this young girl's life and that's what bothers me.

( ... )

Dana:

( ... ) Who put the body on the boat and took it out, what do you think? ( ... )

Art:

I know who did it, it was Paul van der Sloot with the help of the Gottenboes'. Whether it was Koen Gottenboes with the help of his father or just the father, or the father and son, it was that boat and they did it.

( ... ) I told you this a thousand times, there's a lot more evidence to convict Joran in this case than there ever was against Scott Peterson, the only difference is, is that this is in Aruba. I can't imagine why the prosecutor hasn't gone forward.

I don't have any predictions but the whole world knows that he did.

( ... )

Dana:

We heard a lot about computer analysts looking at the computers of Joran and Paulus van der Sloot and all of that and a computer is usually a good piece of evidence and tracking point as to what really happened.

There was some interesting evidence that was found on Paulus van der Sloot's computer wasn't there?

Art:

Absolutely, it absolutely convinced me that Paulus van der Sloot is the person Joran called to get rid of the body. When he says he called his friend, I didn't believe a word of it ( ... ) the conversation was father and son and it absolutely convinced me that it was Paulus that he called. That information corresponding with what happened (inaudible) convinced me Paulus is the one that got rid of the body, there's no doubt in my mind.

Dana:

I couldn't agree more,

Carpe, re Natalee videos, I looked at them yesterday and they were all there (no timestamp) but Running to the Lighthouse ended after about one second...like the tape broke.

 
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Good Morning Cage Mates....Hello Chuckierat...do you feel like you're coming out of a dark place...can you see the light.....that light is called...truth....hope some of it rubs off on you over there....chuckie...use your new found power wisely...you might be able to redeem yourself yet...methinks meeting Beth in person had an impact on you...one can only hope...

Destiny ;-)

My sentiments exactly, Wreck.  I don't expect any justice at all from Aruba, but I am confident that the TRUTH will come out.  The shameful legacy of the cover up will long outlive the mystery of Natalee's disappearance, IMO. 

Klaas ... Thanks

Dana:

We heard a lot about computer analysts looking at the computers of Joran and Paulus van der Sloot and all of that and a computer is usually a good piece of evidence and tracking point as to what really happened.

There was some interesting evidence that was found on Paulus van der Sloot's computer wasn't there?

Dana's question reminded me of the tampering with the computers. Was the time on the computer changed? Does anyone remember, please?

I am just wondering if Paulus was googling the drug overdose earlier than Monday night or if it was in fact on Monday night, was Natalee still alive at that time? TIA

Caesu...Thank You for posting this information for us! I always read them...keeping one eye on Rudy!!!

Well, then I guess I am the only one down today...slinking back to the corner...


Hey, if Paulus disposed of the body via help from the Gottenbos...how have they continued to be under the radar?  They were questioned and for the life of me I can't see how they wouldn't break down and tell what they know.  Of course, if their father was the one involved it would have to remain in the family and to think they live and breathe or did for a while here in the USA.

Another thing, why implicate GVC or Guido in this if it was just a handful?  Going back to the pond...if Natalee is not there was she ever?  What if the witness actually saw Sander and not Joran?  In the dark how much alike are they?  What if the shoes are not Joran's but Koen's?  What was it that Freddy knew that would have taken the heat off the Kalpoes?  That he saw Joran and Sander or Koen that night in a boat?  What is it that makes Art Wood so certain that it was the Gottnebos boat?  There must be a very good piece of evidence there...the ALE is not going to do anything...the evidence is gone and now the shoe is in custody of ALE...scary!

lala's, I guess I've never heard just exactly WHY the latest pond was drained. All I heard was that it was being drained due to the scan in by The Persistence crew and a "lead". Do YOU know what the "lead" stemmed from -- it sounds like you know a lot more about the details then I!

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20080605_briesen-prijzen

also a blog about it on the frontpage:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/05/american-airlines-and-american-eagle-cancel-flights-to-aruba-there-is-a-demand-to-go-to-aruba/

So...did another prisoner at KIA get a cell phone? Given to him by a KIA guard?...am I learning papiamento???????


   
PRESO “RASTA” Y GUARDIA "CHUBA" AWOR TA DETENI    PDF    Print    E-mail
Thursday, 05 June 2008

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Detencion a bolbe cay den Prison di KIA, e biaha aki un preso cu ta sintando su castigo lo ta envolvi den un caso.

Tambe un guardia di KIA cu lo ta hiba preso pa Aeropuerto haci respondi, tambe a keda deteni. Segun informe nobo ricibi, pa algun tempo caba sea RST combina cu Landsrecherche ta investigando yamada ta worde haci, originando den KIA bayendo pa ‘outside’, esta pafor di e instituto. Parce cu a tap combersacion tambe entre preso cu e guardia encuestion.

Ora cu tabata tin suficiente combersacion cu a worde scucha a dicidi na detene tanto e preso y e guardia. Ta asina cu e preso conoci como Rasta H. naci na Curaçao, ta sintando castigo relaciona cu asuntonan di bolita.

No por a saca afor kico e combersacion cu a worde scucha ta encera, pero e preso tabata yama e guardia riba su celular pa e ultimo aparentemente haci cierto fabornan, di “hiba y trece”.

Durante di uso di e cell esaki tabata worde getap pa sigui e combersacion. Awor e guardia di seguridad mihor conoci como Chuba v/d B. ta deteni pendiente di lo demas investigacion cu ta andando. Parce cu lo tin mas trahador di KIA a worde interoga relaciona cu e investigacion.

I think I recognize a poster on that front page article!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::
High fuel prices are BAD for places like Aruba. Bad for the airlines and bad for cruise ships! Aruba may have weathered the storm if they didn't have the already HUGE "monkey" on their back already. They are toast!!

Good Morning Monkeys

On the last thread ... Jossy's demeanor on with Dana Pretzer in regards to the Natalee Holloway case was questioned.  I agree ... he did sound less than forthcoming on the topics that were being discussed.

However ... I will give Jossy the benefit of the doubt.  From the getgo Jossy had done more that ANY other Aruba to openly support the family in their pursuant of the truth regarding the events that encompassing the morning that Natalee went missing.

There has already been an attempt by the "powers that be" in Aruba to boycott his publication.  Then between family issues and ... ongoing health problems ...

Concerning last night's Dana program ... I did find it strange that both Art Wood and Jossy Mansur denied that the search of the pond was unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.  There was definitely something going on ...

Janet
9:13 AM
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http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/06/04/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-clint-van-zandt-art-wood-discussing-the-natalee-holloway-investigation-3-years-later/


The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Wednesday, June 4, 2008 - Guests Include Clint Van Zandt, Art Wood and Jossy Mansur Discussing The Natalee Holloway Investigation 3 Years Later

Caesu...give me this dude's phone #...I'll call and tell him how to help tourism right now...{evil grin}...

The Aruban minister Edison Briesen of Transport and Tourism

Destiny...

Wreck, I believe the old saying "What comes around goes around" fits here.  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

Destiny, was it you that said yesterday you had something good to tell today?  I am wondering when you are going to tell us.  At least I am thinking it was you.  Anyway I want to hear some juicy stuff.  Jackb (PS:  am not talking about juicy fruit gum or food items)  LOL

That is true Dayhiker...I wasn't happy with the *feeling* I was left with by Jossy last night...his tone of vioce seemed to be one of ..ho-hum...this subject again....the only time I heard any emotion in his voice was when he was talking about how the investigation was botched in the very beginning...maybe I'm wrong...or, just have selective hearing...

I was kind of confused here. Lala's - are you saying there was a witness who saw Joran at the pond and THIS is the reason they drained it??

The only thing that concerns me is that BOTH Art Wood and Jossy Mansur implied to Dana Pretzer last night that the search of the pond was unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

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Quote from: MumInOhio on May 16, 2008, 01:10:17 PM
OE...Thanks If the 40-52 Dutch Investigaters is just coincidental, do you know who has been/is searching the pond?  ALE? Thanks in Advance!


Oceanexploration:
ALE, but there may have been others included.  We were asked to attend.

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Oceanexploration:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08
« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2008, 12:59:01 PM »

I'll try to clarify a few points. Nice pics by the way.
 
- The pond was searched because of a promising lead we received.
 
- We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search.
 
- My analysis of the sonar was used to 1) show that the pond needed to be drained in opposed to be investigated with divers.  The only way to effectively search the pond would be if it were dry. 2) show that there were objects in the pond aside from tires.  I'm not commenting on what these objects could be because I'm not speculating.  I will say that I at least saw tires (I saw a pic of one somewhere) in the scanning sonar.

- The reason the pond search was so delayed was on account of the labor strike.  The pond needed to be completely drained which needed the help of the Polis and fire department.  Needless to say labor was needed and hard to come by.  When the strike ended the pond search happened almost immediately.

- No one said the 40-52 (whatever) investigators from Holland ever stepped foot in or near the pond.  The timing is coincident.  Did anyone see these investigators anywhere near the pond?  I don't think so.   

I hope that cleared up more questions that it raises.

My opinion is that neither Art nor Jossy are "in the loop" about the latest pond search. I think they were caught off guard and didn't want to come across they "didn't know" about it.

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That is true Dayhiker...I wasn't happy with the *feeling* I was left with by Jossy last night...his tone of vioce seemed to be one of ..ho-hum...this subject again....the only time I heard any emotion in his voice was when he was talking about how the investigation was botched in the very beginning...maybe I'm wrong...or, just have selective hearing...
[/quote]

it sounded more like resignation and a little disgust that nothing has occurred that would help natalee's cause.
dennisintn

Wreck
It was my understanding that the pond was going to be drained as soon as the strike was over in Aruba.  Then lo and behold it's empty just a day or so after the strike ended.  Given what I know about that pond it stands to reason that the pond was not even on the radar of the OM, ALE or anyone else until the Persistence crew scanned it.  If the person that told me this is reliable in their information I have reason to believe that the reason had to do with Natalee Holloway and no one else.  So far this person has not fed me any wrong information concerning that pond that I have been able to prove incorrect.  Until then, I stand by the statement that the pond is involved only because of that tip from someone that may know something or may have seen something that could be important to the Natalee Holloway case. 

I understand that part and agree with you. What I am curious about is just what the "tip" was that made The Persistence crew perform the scan. Are you saying they were actually looking for Natalee's body? Are you saying a "witness" actually saw Joran at this pond? You seem to have inside info on just what was "found" (or hoping to be found) at this latest pond.

In total agreement with you Lalas'...I think that Jossy wasn't even on Aruba...when I was working with my contact regarding the pond....I'll have to check my notes...but I think that was the time he was gone for a week....

I agree, I think both Jossy and Art Wood are simply out of the loop on the pond.  I'm not discouraged about the pond search (yet).

when listening to that Transport and Tourism minister it seems he is really in denial.
he is going to try to get tourists from South America and Europe.
the tourists from South America aren't getting a simular amount of money in.

and does he really think he can compete with the Mediterranean and Red Sea destination around Europe???
that's even going to be higher fuel costs if they have to fly all the way to Aruba.
Aruba is really dependent on the USA for their economy.
so they are in big trouble. i also think more airlines are going to cut their flights and cruise ships are going to change their routes.

but they could have seen this coming when they decided in the 80s to base their economy almost solely on tourism.
Curaçao still has the refinery, Bonaire has the salt industry.

Announced today...article via google...saw it on TV a few mins ago...

Destiny

Continental Airlines reduces flights, eliminates 3,000 jobs
by Joseph R. Perone/The Star-Ledger
Thursday June 05, 2008, 7:29 AM

Continental Airlines today said it plans to cut back on its flight schedule beginning in September, reduce the size of its fleet of planes and eliminate 3,000 jobs.

In the wake of soaring fuel prices, the airline will reduce the number of passenger seats for sale by 11 percent. Houston-based Continental is the largest airline serving Newark Liberty International Airport and employees about 14,000 people in New Jersey.

Continental will take 67 planes out of service. By the end of the second quarter, Continental will operate 375 mainline aircraft.

The company's chief executive and president said they will not take a salary for the rest of this year and will decline bonuses.

The impact of the move likely means higher air fares later this year for travelers out of Newark because demand for flights remains fairly steady. However, passengers most likely will find less frequent service to some cities or no service at all to out-of-the way routes that are considered unprofitable.

Fares at Newark, where Continental is the dominant carrier, also have risen dramatically since last summer as airlines scramble to cut their losses.

The airline, which has declined to merge with United the past few months, is one of the last major, or legacy carriers, to cut back on the number of seats for sale.

Continental and other airlines are under enormous pressure to find ways to cut costs and increase revenue to cover the cost of high aviation fuel. The company is charging passengers for checking a second piece of baggage, a move that other airlines also have adopted.
--The Associated Press contributed to this report
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Just about everything we know about the pond search after that first burst of the original scan by OE has been secretive. Those photos we saw of the drained pond were taken ex post facto of any search law enforcement would have done. Everything we know about what happened in between is missing. All we do know is that it was cordoned off but we have no photos of a search being executed. I assume it was searched thoroughly.

 

Good afternoon, Monkeys!  Sorry I have not spoken but I am multitasking!  I have all day off so I am cleaning house, making salsa and reading y'alls conversation! 

No. I don't think they were looking for anything in particular at that time...just scanning to see what they might find.  I don't think they had any one thing they were trying to find...OE said they scanned it because of some down time. I think it was a tip that led them there in the first place. Why else would you just randomly pick a pond to scan when you could be getting some much needed rest?

Partial list...Continental is one of them...


http://www.aircanada.ca    Direct flights world wide. (Book online for lowest fares and specials)

http://www.westjet.com    Canadian discount carrier

http://airdepartment.com    Discount flight to Aruba from North America & other world destinations. (Book online for lowest fares and specials)

http://www.usairways.com
Reservations: 800-428-4322    Daily direct flights to Aruba from Charlotte and Philadelphia (Book online for lowest fares and specials)

http://www.delta.com
Reservations: 800-241-4141    Daily direct flights to Aruba from Atlanta and JFK New York

http://www.americanairlines.com
Reservations: 800-433-7300    Daily direct Flights to Aruba from Miami, JFK New York, and San Juan

http://www.continental.com
Reservations: 800-231-0856    Direct flights to Aruba from Newark Monday, Wednesday & Friday. Adding Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday service February 2001.

http://www.twa.com
Reservations: 800-892-4141    Daily flights to Aruba via San Juan from Boston, JFK, Fort Lauderdale and Los Angeles.
ALM Airlines
http://www.airalm.com
Reservations:  800-327-7230    Daily flights to Aruba via Curacao from Miami. Sunday flights to Aruba via Curacao from Atlanta.
Charter Service:
Travel Dimensions (Boston, MA)
Reservations: 1-800-752-5055    Discounted charter fares for direct flights to Aruba
International Hotel Representatives (NY, NY)
Reservations: 800-346-7084    Discounted airfares with Delta, American & Continental Airlines - flights to Aruba from JFK New York Fridays and Saturdays.
   
 

I am usually right when I say something of this magnitude.  ::MonkeyWink::

Hi Casa!  Pass the salsa...I brought chips!

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American Airlines
American Trans Air (ATA)
Continental
Delta Air Lines
United
U.S. Airways

That's why I love you!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Hey Casa...good to see You!...yummmmy...save some salsa for me ;-)

Destiny...

Some use 1 gallon of fuel to move 6 inches from what I have been told.  j/b

Could somoene translate this word for me, please. TIA

bedrijfsvoering

Dayhiker...if they would only meet my demands...I would gladly take this *hex* off of them.... {evil grin}....LOL...

It's only a matter of time until the European airlines follow suit..this is a global economy and what affects us here in the USA eventually involves the rest of the world and vice versa.

That'll eat up some gas, Jack.  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Aruba is very poorly located, every other major Caribbean destination is closer to the U.S. than the ABCs.

'management' would be the closest translation i can think of.

I do not know what is going on.  All I know is ... Art Wood and Jossy Mansur both have upheld the family of Natalee Holloway since the beginning.  I will give them the benefit of doubt until proven wrong.

I would rather believe that the ALE could have been messing around with the crew of the Persistence.  It is the those within the Natalee Holloway investigation ... those who are beholding to Rudy Croes ... who have been prevent justice from prevailing since the getgo.

Janet



 

Lalas and Destiny, I'll have it ready shortly!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Shows you how stupid they are. They knew a long time ago all they had to do was arrest and convict their perps, they knew who they were, they did nothing. The buzzuds are flying in for their meal.

Thanks!  Is that Dutch or Pap?  I can't tell...I only speak English. 

Thanks Blonde!  Really appreciate that, bookmarking now.

The voice of reason once again.  I agree as well.  Good afternoon.

certainly!
KLM wil first fly smaller planes MD-11 instead of 747.
or combine the Curaçao, St. Maarten flights. make a stop-over there before flying to Aruba.
just like there are not many direct flights to Bonaire.

other airlines will do the same. mostly flying smaller planes first before actually cutting flights.

gas prices are high all over.

for car fuel the netherlands has the highest prices in the world.
comes close to 10 dollar a gallon now if i convert the price from euro/liter to dollar/gallon.
last week truckers protested and blocked of highways.
because the finance minister still intends to raise taxes on fuel.

for airplane fuel an extra global warming tax is added.
enough sun holidays around in the mediterranean and red sea.
next to budget holidays in egypt, tunesia or turkey.

so aruba has no chance in the world attracting more tourists from europe.

maybe tourists from venezuela they have to aim for.
but that's really a total different spending range.

I noticed on Destiny's list they were still listing "TWA" -- American bought them and closed them about 7-8 years ago.

the way you run a company

As in person in charge?

do you have the article ????

It was just a word...listed by a name...not an article. You answered my question, thanks.

Picky...picky...picky....blame google not me... ::MonkeyTongue::

Caesu...if you provide me with that Minister of tourisms' phone #...I will call him...and, tell him how to get some GREAT publicity for Aruba...and help bring the tourists back....Yep I will....

Destiny...

those bastards!! (Probably just Aruba failing to realize TWA hasn't been there in years!!) ::MonkeyCool::

The only thing I can see that can keep people coming to Aruba is a Fire Sale and that doesn't help the bottom line.[/b]
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briesen was bragging somewhere not long ago about one of the s.a. country's business on aruba had risen l8% last year.  the l8% represented an increase of 54 tourists. tourism people are the most talented bs'ers in the entire world.  jvds would go far in that business.
dennisintn

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Dayhiker...if they would only meet my demands...I would gladly take this *hex* off of them.... {evil grin}....LOL...
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roflmao, drive another tent peg up the butt of your jvds doll just for me.  i may have other requests later.
dennisintn

i read your earlier request. but i didn't think you were serious.  ::MonkeyRoll::

but this is the phonenumber of the Tourism Department: from the USA: 011-297-588-0114
and this is his email: edisonbriesen@yahoo.com
this is the email of his secretary(?), Tamara Waldron: t.waldron@aruba.com

Dayhiker...if they would only meet my demands...I would gladly take this *hex* off of them.... {evil grin}....LOL...
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roflmao, drive another tent peg up the butt of your jvds doll just for me.  i may have other requests later.
dennisintn
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Reaching for tent peg.....All request considered.... ::MonkeyCool::

Thank You Caesu....one ringy dingy.....

yahoo and google have free translators and all you have to do is click on a button to get whole pages translated.  what one of them won't translate, the other one does, most of the time.
dennisintn

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when listening to that Transport and Tourism minister it seems he is really in denial.
he is going to try to get tourists from South America and Europe.
the tourists from South America aren't getting a simular amount of money in.



talk about being in denial, did you read the speech briesen told at the carib. tourism meeting when he said that aruba had set the model to be used by the whole region for cases like natalee holloway's case.  i could just visualize the other attendees turning beet red and choking down the screams of denial.
dennisintn

Aruba Tourism fears after Joran confession  

Joran van der Sloot with his confession of Aruba's image as a holiday much damage. The island fears a new dip in tourism is an opportunity that American tourists stay away .

That says Prime Minister Oduber of Aruba on the recent coverage of Joran van der Sloot. According to the Prime Minister, Mr Van der Sloot the holiday island much damage. Oduber is the repeated lies of Van der Sloot quite tired. This puts the island again negative in the news.

70 Percent of income of the island comes from American tourists. Shortly after the disappearance of Holloway continued American tourists en masse away from the island. "He plays with the economy of the country," said the premier.
(http://www.missethoreca.nl/upload/6474709_680_1202111312221-marriottaruba_202_126.jpg)

A week or so ago AOL had Aruba's gas prices as the second highest
in the world at over $12 per gal.  Some African country was first.

Airlines do not want to have to refuel there.

roflmao, drive another tent peg up the butt of your jvds doll just for me.  i may have other requests later.
dennisintn
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Reaching for tent peg.....All request considered.... ::MonkeyCool::
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Here Des, use my sledge hammer.

I didn't know Tamara Waldron was his secretary. She posted the very first piece of government propaganda on 6-5-2005

I'm sure someone has it.

nice - one more mystery solved.

good job caesu

briesen was bragging somewhere not long ago about one of the s.a. country's business on aruba had risen l8% last year.  the l8% represented an increase of 54 tourists. tourism people are the most talented bs'ers in the entire world.  jvds would go far in that business.
dennisintn
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When Central Bank comes out screaming you know they're in trouble. These are the most reserved suckers on the island.

always good to see you too Dayhiker.

right she was - but being the secretary of the tourism minster puts a new light on it and furthers the corruption.

those aruba politicians don't just lie. but they say the exact opposite.
i keep noticing that. Rudy Croes and Oduber do that too on other issues.
and then afterwards they have to deny that they even said or spin it in some other way.

Thanks for the info Always 1.   I have backed up every single video ever loaded.

Those videos will rising again from places all over the globe.

They will never stop our fight for Natalee. This is one battle has Aruba picked,

where they are in WAY OVER THEIR HEADS.

They have SEVERELY UNDERESTIMATED the value of one innocent American's life.

The fight they should have picked was that of Joran and the Kalpoes.

We need to continue to make them feel very sorry about that extremely poor choice.

so, the tourism department knew Natalee was not coming back as early as 6-4-2005 (they would have had to have known to being a strategy on the net - so I am allowing for one day to get some idea what needed to be done) and then they go and tell everyone that Natalee ran away - and then arrest the security guards.

pretty comical when you think about it, except this was a real living human being we are talking about.

"...looking at the picture does not mean blaming the island or its people….we should keep looking at the big picture which does involve at looking at other possibilities, other than a crime, for the dissapearance of the 18 year old.
 
So far there has not been any indication of a murder, a kidnapping etc and we should all stick together and help in searching for his girl instead of assuming things and smearing Aruba on the news.
 
I do believe she will be found as there have been numerous sightings of Natalee, which indicate more that this is a runaway case than any other….of course we don’t know for sure, but we must leave the windows of numerous possibilities open."

Comment by Tamara Waldron | June 5, 2005, 7:13 pm

Well, all the airlines are in trouble right now.  I have to take the "cattle car" to Texas when I go and if I take American, they charge for the first bag so I have to wear a whole weeks worth of clothing on the plane!!!

Great observation!  I contend that this deceptive cannot be confined to only Arbuan politicians.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sorry caesu ... I could not resist.

Janet

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:

Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members
Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

thank you Pita - you're a doll.

so, Oduber is off the island until 6-9 in Fort Lauderdale... someone must have told him what was going on during this time, and he had to have told Briesen - or Marisol told Breisen and that's when this all started. Oduber controls all communications on the island and he holds all responsibility even if others acted without his knowledge - it's lawsuit time - JQK should sue the butt cheeks off of Aruba for defamation and slander at a minimum.

Breisen ORDERED Waldron to begin posting. A government official ordered this propaganda campaign, and I think this is one of the first steps to proving it.

that's solved.

Here is the full post from the front page of SM:

Tamara Waldron wrote:

THanks Gabriel! As an American citizen living in Aruba, and having lived in the U.S. for nearly 10 years I can assure you that most of us are looking at the big picture and we share the concerns of Natalee’s family and friends.
Howver, looking at the picture does not mean blaming the island or its people….we should keep looking at the big picture which does involve at looking at other possibilities, other than a crime, for the dissapearance of the 18 year old.
So far there has not been any indication of a murder, a kidnapping etc and we should all stick together and help in searching for his girl instead of assuming things and smearing Aruba on the news.
I do believe she will be found as there have been numerous sightings of Natalee, which indicate more that this is a runaway case than any other….of course we don’t know for sure, but we must leave the windows of numerous possibilities open.

Jun 5, 7:13 PM

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/07/natalee-holloway-information/

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

weren't the guards already arrested for murder at this point?

Pita, you are doll!

Julia Renfro is Glenda. She mistakenly posted an email with the address to Aruba Today.

She originally took the name “Glenda” with an avatar of the Wizard of OZ, thinking she was “the good” witch. She wasn’t smart enough to know the name is Glenna. ::MonkeyHaHa::

She wrote the trash article regarding the medjet and The bad FBI. The article quoting Angela Munzenhofer and Dompig. It is still availble at the Aruban police website KPA.

'roobagoogle translation -
 
'we are going to blame you and your families'

I've been trying to call Minister Briesen...phone just keeps ringing...don't have friccin' voice mail over there.....

They've got you there too! They are going to start weighing everyone and charging you by the pound!!! ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

they were arrested at 6 am or so - and she posted that at 7:13 pm

how could she say they are not looking at a murder when two people were already charged - and there was strong evidence - not strong suspicions?

that chick is whacked  ::MonkeyHaHa::

ALSO - Julia Renfro posted with the nickname of BONDIA here at SM before she was banned and went to the Refugee's site using the nickname Glenda.

Eddie must be up to his ass in alligators. Say, have you ever noticed how closely he resembles Antonio Carlo? Cheesy face, greasy hair. They could be brothers in slime.  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::

Gabe didn't get the new talking points yet either.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

this people just absolutely suck at the cover-up game. The trick of any good cover-up is not to allow anyone to know it exists. That's the whole idea.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

it then goes to a realm of nut-jobs and conspiracy theorists who just get laff'd at.

These idiots have cost themselves their entire economy.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Another Glenda Reaction : 

BhamMom wrote:
nichols,
Drag up a chair and tell us the truth. We’ve waited for 2-1/2 years.

The truth is that Beth is actually just a nice person, a good Mom, and a grieving Mom who comes from a hard working good family. She is also a good daughter, sister and friend. Perfect, not hardly, but certainly good. If she lived next door to you, she is someone you would like and enjoy.

Glenda posts:
Yeah right, that is why she tried to destroy the innocent lives of 120,000 people, mostly women and children… All for what? Because she took the decision to allow, send and sign consent for her minor child to go on a co-ed all-inclusive drinking fest with no supervision to an island in the Caribbean just 20 miles north of Venezuela. Sorry Nic, Aruba didn’t invite Natalee here to get drunk starting early in the morning, have a stranger lick her belly filled with alcohol and then for her to get into a car with him and two other strangers. ~ these are facts, I’ve left the other stuff out as hearsay, but the ABOVE is a fact.

Nobody deserves something bad to them, in the same time, Beth’s own words, “I didn’t deserve to have Natalee!” I dare you to say Beth didn’t say it!

She has the same style as Renee Gielen  ::MonkeyHaHa::

dutch minister of Transport was in Aruba yesterday and met with Edison Briesen.

http://www.verkeerenwaterstaat.nl/actueel/nieuws/ministereurlingsbezoektnederlandseantillenenaruba.aspx


(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/b79d9d23c725f7169d3c793787594d9d.jpg)
Eurlings left / Briesen middle / don't know who the guy on the right is, maybe M.E.P. Dierikx., director-general of the dutch Transport department - division Transport and Aiviation.

important issue was also the environment tax - this eco-tax comes into force july 1st.

the antilles and aruba want this eco-tax lifted.
but the netherlands is not going to give in.

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080527_ticket-tax

of course the antilles/aruba don't like this tax.
because that makes flights from Europe more expensive (for tourists).
already expensive due to high fuel prices.

 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 They do suck at cover-ups, Rob, I suspect because their charade had always worked before. Those fools got sniffed out the first week and still kept at it, and you are exactly correct, it has cost them a fortune.

This airline crisis is payback. If they had done the right thing they'd have enough passengers to support the flights but they don't and they're getting axed.

I bet that was sent to Hendrik Jan Korterink....just to keep him in the loop.... :wink:

lol, will you be strapping a steamer trunk across your shoulder as your purse?
dennisintn

180 OFFICIAL DELEGATIONS TO THE ANTILLES   ::MonkeyHaHa::

In 2007 departed there every two days an official delegation from The Hague to the Antilles. It is about 180 delegations from eleven different ministries.

Nobody in The Hague appeared to know from which ministry, at what time and why there has been crossed. It took more than three months before the Ministry of Interior Affairs and Kingdom a full list had collected.

All officials travelling business class to the Antilles, as it applies to all intercontinental flights. The delegations consist of at least one person and up to eight people. According to calculations of the cost of a trip NOVA least 5000 euros and a maximum of 42,000 euros.

The objectives of the travel is on the list specified, among other acquaintance, orientation, consultation with ministers, wetgevingsoverleg, bilateral cooperation and participation in various working groups on drugs, for example, finance and division.

The list includes only the travel of civil servants to the West Indies. Visits to the West Indies of local administrators and officials - just as delegations of Second MPs - not counted.

In addition to the 180 official delegations who in 2007 travelled to the West Indies, in the same year, there were also 181 Dutch for a year or longer stationed at one of the islands. These include judges, prosecutors, police and tax.

looking clearly and with eyes wide open you dont have to be a horses-petut to know that when "something bad happened" and blood was found but the tourist Natalee disapeared after being drugged and whisked away by the 3 perps  that a death has occured and every one on the island is covering it up. JMHO

Nobody deserves something bad to them, in the same time, Beth’s own words, “I didn’t deserve to have Natalee!” I dare you to say Beth didn’t say it!

She has the same style as Renee Gielen  ::MonkeyHaHa::


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and every bit as demented and full of bs.  neither could recognize the truth or actual facts if they slapped them in the face.
dennisintn

She makes it sound downright dangerous!  Do they put that in their travel brochures?

"Come to Aruba, an island in the Caribbean JUST 20 MILES NORTH OF VENEZUELA!"

As if Beth should have known better than to allow Natalee's vacation..........BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE ISLAND. 

Perhaps we should warn the rest of the world for Julia.

 ::MonkeyCool::

they are not used to having to back up their lies and promises. they're used to lying and appeasing tourists who go home in a few days.  being held accountable for their words and actions is completely alienable to them.
dennisintn

Julie Renfro has been on the "Beth signed the waver for an all inclusive...drinking binge....." way before Maglio posted the parent is responsible.  She was the first to post a link to the article...hmmmm

What I say is...After visiting Paradise Island, in the Bahamas, and having to pay $4 for a can of pop.....I would have seriously considered an all inclusive, for my daughter, who would have only been there three days and was not interested in varying cuisines. I would prefer her to have unlimited access to pop. water, gatorade and food.  It would have been really hard to budget otherwise.  The prices are outrageous.

Just because Julia is a drinker does not mean that everyone that buys an all inclusive ticket plans to heavily drink booze.  I saw Natalee with water in front of her in the casino.  She was sitting fine on the stool and was steady walking around the casino.  If she got sick later it was from "something bad" that she was given...or perhaps...food poisoning...if you ask me.

Ha ha Dennisintn, the last time I flew my belt set off the metal detector and I had to endure the "perf Patdown" just think what that would do.  I would probablly have to go in the "take it alll off tent".

Sure dayhiker i think they have the same Boss  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Another  brainwash technique   ::MonkeyConfused::

this is also one of them  :
The Natalee Holloway Conspiracy

Project smoke special  ::MonkeyConfused::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NtzCPPN3bU&feature=related

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=615.msg85278;topicseen#msg85278

Ministry of Transportation AND TOURISM

The Strategic Communications Task Force is a working group established in Aruba to address the issues surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Task Force includes representatives from AHATA (Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association), ATA (Aruba Tourism Authority), business and government leaders. The Task Force continues to support the Holloway/Twitty families and will continue to offer support in their search for Natalee Holloway

Steering Committee of the Strategic Communications Task Force:
 
Myrna Jansen, chairperson Aruba Tourism Authority
Serge Mansur, chairperson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Jorge Pesquera, chairperson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Edwin Roos Chamber of Commerce
Jaap Beaujon Advisor
Agustin Vrolijk Department of Foreign Affairs
Frits Israel Aruba Tourism Authority
Gina Lopez-Gnecco Aruba Tourism Authority
Rob Smith Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation

Additional members

Greg Peterson Aruba Trade & Industry Association
Olindo Koolman Former Governor of Aruba
Alfonso Riverol Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Andy Osbourne Aruba Timeshare Association
Jan van Nes Aruba Timeshare Association
Bill Carson Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
Erik Brete Liaison to the office of the Prime Minister
Henry Baarh Minister Plenipotentiary Washington
John Merryweather Former Government Official
Tamara Waldron Ministry of Tourism and Transportation
Ruben Trappenberg Aruba Airport Authority

Contributing participants

Helen Bautista Fitzgerald and Co.
Kelly Marshal Fitzgerald and Co.
Florence Quinn Quinn and Co.

What we do

The Strategic Communications Task Force’s goal is to stay abreast of all developments in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, verify if information given is truthful and bring forward the correct facts when necessary. The Task Force also aims to inform the public and media whenever there is information that can be shared and monitor media coverage both locally and internationally in an effort to prevent and minimize any damage to the economic well being of Aruba. The Task Force believes that it is very important to keep the community at large well informed of the latest developments.

http://www.aruba.com/nholloway/taskforce.htm

Let me get this straight...cruiselines have already cut back....now the planes...and the plan is to try and broadcast, in America, a piece trashing a young tourist and her family...after an islander confessed....and this will encourage tourism???

The only people they will attract, are ones that hate Americans, as much as those promoting this plan.  VanNie won't be selling a lot of fancy coffee.

johan

bamboo is Rob's buddy..... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh the memories...I mean nightmares.  :roll:

Yes, Glenda..they did...that is part of the promotion of the island...it's known all over facebook and myspace and various other places as the party place to be.  Remember the slogan...One Happy Island?  WTH do you think they are talking about?  No one could be happy on that place without being drunk at some point...oh, my...now I am getting iirritated all over again.  :roll:

I could caption that photo...but I would surely get banned. LOL.

They think they can attract the South American tourists? Are they kidding?  What do they have to offer?? NADA   Miami is overwhelmed with South American tourists every year. Why would they go to Aruba?  Doesn't make sense.

Just proves to me they were VERY prepared (almost like this had occurred before).  They were able to go in damage control very quickly and organized.  I hate them all. ::MonkeyShocked::

things are looking up for the land of the "pariahs of the caribbean.  murder, inc. has just voted aruba as the No.1 location to take care of business.
dennisintn

I do believe underage Joran van der Sloot ... his father and ... the drinking/gambling establishments of Aruba are the issue.  Joran should never have been allowed in the Excelsio casino and Carlos & Charlie's.  As John Kelly implied ... the chain of events that led to the tragedy that unfolded on the morning of May 30, 2005 ... would never have occurred if the adults in Joran's life had enforced the legal boundaries of expections ... boundaries that were established for his well being and the well being of other.

Janet
___________


John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.  

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

they have a better chance if they try to attract martians or polar bears.
big state of denial. they really have to find a way out.

aruba is constantly bragging that from 2009 they, unlike the other islands, don't need financial aid from the netherlands anymore.
well... that might chance now.
but if the netherlands is going to give aid again they only give that with preconditions.
one precondition will be to finally straighten that justice department / OM out.
in other words. get rid of Rudy Croes. and Hendrik.

briesen and rudy croes have both endorse gielen, and the psychotic psychics.  one or the other of them actually referred to the psychics as investigators.  i think rudy gave mos hell because he and a.l.e. wasn't meeting with them.  mos says everything they are bring up now was debunked 2 years ago as they checked out all the far out lies and unlikely scenarios.
dennisintn

Julia and Renee are both evil!  Guess I should add IMO.  Anyone who can do the things they have done along with Julia's friend Angela has to be evil.

casa

I agree, they are evil.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

hmmm... polar bears .... they need a tan, don't need airlines (can swim down from Alaska using the Panama Canal), can generally fend for themselves against predators......perfect!!!

Marketing dog, goat or donkey meat to China?

Turtle soup???..boy that would get em....

I have noticed that many cases in Aruba are deemded to involve domestic issues, and therefore there seems to be no LE involvement.

Is it possible that the pond is a dumping ground for a number of missing people?

The young man that Tim Miller went to help search for, maybe the search is related to him?

The missing 12 year old girl, maybe the search is related to her?

IIRC, there was even some mention, maybe just on the blogs, that the death of the nearly headless man found in the cemetery was due to domestic problems?  Maybe him?

~~~~~~~

One of the items that continues to confound me is the search of the landfill.  Isn't it possible that JVDS (or someone) threw any evidence (the missing shoes - item one on the list) related to the case in the garbage on trash day?  Maybe the gym shoes are really in the landfill?  Hits by dogs are due to small traces of Natalee on items other than her clothing, drivers license, or money?

The "threw them in the canal/well" and "left them at the beach" are just clever diversions from the truth?  The shoes were put in the trash on garbage day?

Is Julia from Texas ?
Was of is she married and with who ?
And what is his name?
What is the name of her pappie  ?

We don't "cotton" to her type here in Texas.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

have you guys and gals seen this before?

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/top10_unexplained_phenomena-1.html

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Mysterious Disappearances

People disappear for various reasons. Most are runaways, some succumb to accident, a few are abducted or killed, but most are eventually found. Not so with the truly mysterious disappearances. From the crew of the Marie Celeste to Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart, and Natalee Holloway, some people seem to have vanished without a trace. When missing persons are found, it is always through police work, confession, or accident never by 'psychic detectives'). But when the evidence is lacking and leads are lost, even police and forensic science can't always solve the crime.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong.

I think she was born in California and raised near Tampa, FL
I don't think she has ever been married.  She has at least 4 children.
She lives with a man.
I believe her father's name is Julian Renfro and mother is Lois.  He sister
is younger and prettier and lives in Hawaii and is married to a wind surfer
champion.  Sister's name is Angela.

Oeps* and is there a "steven ceon" Renfro in her family

I wonder who the competition is?  Do they have a ranking somewhere?

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It jes' keeps gettin' curiouser and curiouser, don't it Buckeye?   ::MonkeyRoll::

The Carlisle Sisters

Engagement Announcement:
Link (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/orlandosentinel/access/92961178.html?dids=92961178:92961178&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Dec+31%2C+1986&author=&pub=Orlando+Sentinel&edition=&startpage=6&desc=RENFRO-DRYSDALE)



FL Marriage Record Search:
DISSOLUTION File Date: 12-May-1989

Does anyone have the link to the Dr.Phil documents that is listed where you see what they are asking for and location of the interview?  Please, help.  I think I deleted it accidentally. TIA.

I can't get the link to work  ::MonkeyWaa::

Here is the link to the entire document including all of the documents requested by the Dr. Phil attorneys:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/images/MemoKalpoe.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/5l8a2m   ::MonkeyWink::

I just had it open. Her name probably crashed it.  :lol:

I tried searching on "murder mystery Aruba" and a few interesting videos came up.

I tried to search Aruba at the Dutch youtube site for just "Aruba" and some of the Natalee videos came up.  The same search a while later came up with just the drag videos. 

http://nl.youtube.com

Odd...

does anyone know what is in the liitle building underneath the Digicel Tower where they found the shoe??  It has (I believe) 3 garage doors and a little window.

also, if anyone has any close up pictures of that Digicel building????

Ditto Casa!

I imagine...any day now, Tata Motor's will announce a new low maintenance, efficient plane.  Later in the week, they will start up an airline making the round trip to Aruba and other destinations for about $50 American.

This new carrier will serve select cities in India, Pakistan, and South America.

That's my memory too.

There was an old windsurfing? blog that talked about her just taking off...if I recall...from those that knew her back when...

Congratulations Ocean Explorer on your new baby girl Natalee Grace!!  ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

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Looks like Daury is still in custody and will be spending his Birthday in the Hudson County Jail..
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Offender Record
Offender ID: 0900280301 Offender Name: DAURY DANIEL RODRIGUEZ Date of Birth: 06/28/1986 Age: 21 Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: Hudson County Jail Race: Hispanic Gender: Male

I just listened to Dana's show.  It was interesting.

Who thinks the case was botched?

I'm inclined to believe that no one was ever intended to be charged or held accountable for Natalee's death, disappearance, or any other negative consequences.  The case went as it was directed.  jmho

Who directs the course of an investigation on Aruba?  IIRC, judges.

When did the first investigator request a search of the VDS compound?  Maybe someone asked the first or second days and was turned down? 

With all the good things I've read about the Dutch and their labs, etc., how could anyone botch an investigation with so many experienced officers?

You can only "botched" things 1,2, maybe 3 times... if you are a friggin' dolt.

John Kerry told me that!


They are actually stalling, harassing, and working against justice being

dispensed for Natalee Holloway.


...and they need to be confonted with it everyday, and called on each step!

They need to be met with that exact same force.

That is awsome!!! Congratulations!!! Very touching!  ::MonkeyCool::

Congrats OE!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

You can't go wrong with the beautiful name you picked for her. Nice choice!

I concur... and congratz OE

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Congratulations Kyle!!  All my best to you, your wife, and your new daughter, Natalee Grace.  May God shower you all with His many blessings.

Congratulations Kyle on the new baby! 

Hello Monkeys...this just now came in...it is from K-Swiss Corporate Headquaters....*very* high up the food chain...actually the *top*..

I will be getting a phone call in the AM their time...with more info...It's the best I could do today....hopefully tomorrow...I'll have info of the exact regions this model of shoe was sold...and more...

Destiny...

***Hi XXXXX,

Sorry today was pretty crazy for me.

I can't say for sure if the shoe in the image is men's or women's.  I
did check with our guys in Asia last evening and as mentioned the shoe
in the image is what we call a "Special Make-up".  This means it's a
limited production run shoe specifically intended for a particular
retailer or region. 

The model name of the shoe in the image was called the "Classic LX
Graffiti".  In men's we produced roughly 7,666 pair and in women's we
produced 9,788 pair.

Unfortunately that's about the best we can do without examining the shoe
itself.

I'll try and phone you in the morning when I arrive at the office.

Best Regards,

XXXXXXXXX***

ARUBA
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ARUBA&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=

aruba
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aruba&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=

Aruba
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aruba&search_type=&search=Search


>Elmo gotz more loaded up in the potato gun coming. It's in the w.i.p. file.

Everything is Aruba Drag.  Is that what it should be?

Destiny - thank you for at least clearing up one thing for me.  The graffiti is actually a graphic K-Swiss put on the shoe and on both mens and womens shoes. 

Carpe  ::MonkeyHaHa::

You got it Carpe, never let them forget, make them pay everyday of their lives until they decide to do the right thing. No family deserves the hell the Arubans put the Holloway-Twitty families through.

Well, Joran "goes both ways" -- so it really doesn't matter if it is a "Men's" or Women's"  ::MonkeyEek::

KLAAS....Check Your Banana Basket ;-)

Destiny...

I'm gonna quote Pita so I can use her beautiful graphic. CONGRATULATIONS KYLE!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Oh YES!!!...Congrats Kyle...You and Your Dear Lady...have a Beautiful New Baby Girl...Blessings upon Blessings for Natalee Grace...Papa and Momma...

 ::cartwheel::

Now, would Guido-bunny be an automatic or a stick shift?

KSwiss Classic LX - blue http://tinyurl.com/4yrvjz (http://tinyurl.com/4yrvjz)

KSwiss Classic LX - red http://tinyurl.com/4jfnx7 (http://tinyurl.com/4jfnx7)


Hope this works  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


From the publisher's page:

COMING SOON TO A BOOKSHELF NEAR YOU

DRIVING MISTER GUIDO by author Joran Van der Sloot

Follow along as Joran and Guido hump their way through life. Enjoy the ride as they pack for camp. Guido will bend over backwards for Joran, but will he return the favor? Find out in Joran van der Sloot's new book "Driving Mister Guido"!

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaa.....choke....hahahahaha

WOW!!!!  Cool.  Congratulations!  Jack Blue

Yes thanks! Destiny is working on obtaining even more definitive information.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny is working on getting the damn shoe!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Congratulations and blessings to you and your family, OE!

Welcome to the world, Natalee Grace!

 ::MonkeyDance::

Is it time to pop a bottle of bubbly?    A Toast to Natalee Grace...May Your World be Filled with Love and Joy...

Congrats, OE....

Natalee Grace will grace the world, we are sure!!  ::MonkeyWink::

OMG...I'm a Monkey Godmother...Kyle...as long as I live...if ever Natalee Grace is in need of anything....this Monkey Godmother is here for her....Natalee Grace has a whole Monkey Tribe here for her...

Yes, I know, that's how I knew the name of the shoe for the search.  I thought it might help to know that the shoe was also available in color.  Besides, I was bored and needed something to do.  I honestly wasn't trying to step on any toes, my apologies for offending you, it certainly was not my intent. You've been doing amazing things.

I'm sure no offense was taken.  I'm glad you posted the links to the pics!

No..no..no...You In NO WAY OFFENED ME AT ALL!!!!!

Thank You for posting the links...I went to them right away...What I meant when I posted that I'm trying to get the shoe is...I'm really going to try and get the shoe...I know it's crazy to even think that way...but..I guess I am a little crazy ;-)

I'm so sorry if your feelings were hurt yuknomenot...that was NOT my intention in any way at all....I forget how the internet can be *read* in so many differing ways by people...I'm so sorry I hurt your feelings....I value you as a cage mate...and am proud to stand next to you with the Girl...

       ((((((((((((((((((((yuknomenot))))))))))))))))

Hugs....Destiny

The bag shoe appeaed to be red soled, as does the shoe in the recently found shoe.  Note emblem on the tongue of shoe recently found shoe faded red as is the control shoe or the shoe destiny (red bottoms) showed.  The styles are similar if not the same.  Wish to see the bottom if you have these destiny.  If not I will try to find them later.  jack blue

How could you be stepping on toes?  I am proud of you.  Anyone who tries to give you the impression you are "stepping on toes" has an agenda.  You did good, girl.   Jack Blue

Or even can be switched to remote control?

Nite Monkeys

It didn't

Aw, what a sweet, beautiful name. God Bless.

President Bush Meets with Prime Minister Balkenende of the Netherlands

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President George W. Bush meets with Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende of the Netherlands Thursday, June 5, 2008, during his visit to the Oval Office. The leaders spoke on a variety of issues, including HIV/AIDS in Africa, free trade and climate change. White House photo by Joyce N. Boghosian

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/06/images/20080605-6_p060508jb-0185-1-515h.html

nothing really important but i post it anyway FYI

We really don't know if it was cordoned off.Why no images of this blocking of the pond?

Rob was this the Shango  IP  area ?
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What a way to go sweet Carpe!
 ::cartwheel::

Congratulations Klye, what a beautiful name for a beautiful baby. The best of everything for her. Give our love to her and her Mom.

according to Grande it is the approximate area. I guess it would extend to a wider area.

Johan -
this is the original that I updated to include some newer points of interest.
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thanks Rob i will try to make some close up's

They need to do a little something for us.  Wonder what they want?

Shango Area
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Johan - let's go over to the Shango thread - I think I have an idea.

When was she captured  in Wyndam?

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I said this over at BFN and I will say it again here: 
Thank you all very much for your kind words of love, prayers, and support.  Also, thank you for standing beside the Holloway family, the search team, and each other for over three difficult years.  Although some have followed the case since the very start and others have recently joined, we all share the common ground that is justice for Natalee.  Although I believe in my heart that this case will be solved one day, perhaps the greatest victory already claimed is the impact that Natalee has had on all of our lives. May God grant victory to the investigation, peace for the family and friends of Natalee Holloway, and restoration to the island of Aruba.

~Kyle

Thanks again Kyle for all you have done. It is even more poignant to now consider that your wife was carrying your new daughter during your MANY, MANY months away from her.

AAAHHH!!!
All the way back to page 3 and still can't find OE's birth announcement!! Can someone bump it, would love to see the details!!

Congrats Kyle!!! What a blessing!!! May the good Lord always keep her safe, sound and happy!!!

Amen!!!

thanks Klaas!!

Congrats again Kyle!!!

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Aruba, a bankrupt welfare state?  

If the Netherlands is not prepared to pump 1 Million€  into the economy of the island of Aruba it  is bankrupt. At least, that the Aruban government wants us to believe. In recent months, there was still everything geharrewar between the Netherlands and Aruba. In June showed Minister of Justice Rudy Croes yet know all ties with the Netherlands want to disconnect. That would be a good time to have been heads with nails to save. What should we do with that island? It has since 1986 a separate status, the crime is high and ailing, the people of this mini anything. Of course we have in the past benefited from the mineral. But we should still feel morally obliged to?

The figures. The island is 180 m2 in size, slightly larger than Texel (160m2). There are 100,000 people with similar population of a medium-sized city like Alkmaar. The main source of income is tourism. Annual visits 600,000 wealthy Americans the island. The population there is momentum. Unemployment is low and the income per capita is the second highest in the Caribbean. From poverty is thus no question. The location, near the coast of Venezuela, it raises concerns. The encroachment of crime, for example. Rich attract tourists to the underworld. But is that the problem of the Dutch government?

Yes, that's our problem because Aruba, a so-called LOG, political belongs to the Netherlands and the European community. The residents have the Dutch nationality. When Aruba was rightly criticized that the local government of the missing Natalee Holloway had not progressed Netherlands had addressed themselves accountable. We certainly did gedwee, afraid to good relations with America to do violence.

After long negotiations got Aruba in 1986 the so fervently desired Status Aparte. A condition of Dutch side was that Aruba decade later, on January 1, 1996, would be fully independent. That is unfortunately never came. So we're still willy-nilly involved in Aruba. The eilandbestuur is responsible for the daily course of business. Netherlands should not interfere but should have the holes in the budget gap.

Aruba is an arid and dry island. The highest mountain is 186 meters. The attraction will preside over but not under water. For scuba diving is one of the most beautiful locations on Earth. The beach is exuberant and nightlife for lovers of sex, drink, drugs, music and gambling an eldorado. The casinos are not inferior to the luxury of Las Vegas. There is therefore a lot of money into the tourism industry. We know another state that can fine-supporting thanks to the gokkasten and its ideal location at sea: the principality of Monaco. Monaco has no subsidy, Aruba strangely enough, yes. Word is not the time to agree seriously with the government of Aruba to talk prior to deposit money into a bottomless pit?

I already have a tip. You have to pay for parking your car in Amsterdam . Something for Aruba perhaps? Parking on the whole island is still free.

hey mr. johan

what is the date and source on that article, please?

Does anyone know if Ernesto ever lived in Aruba?

::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek::

hai carpe :

it is dutch
july 2007
http://www.kovandijkvertelt.nl/?p=429

cool! thank you, sir.

I thought tourism was soaring according to Briesen's office. How could they be bankrupt?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

my guess many'll be on a staycation   ::MonkeyCool::

the same week that oduber was crying on the shoulders of the dutch parliament about the natalee case and high fuel costs costing the island l0's of millions of dollars, briesen was out bragging about how well the tourism business was.  sounds like one of them was lying just a little bit. 
dennisintn

who wants the name and business and telephone number of Julia's and Renee's co-conspirator in the Untied States?

WE DO!!!!!!!
 ::MonkeyDance::

Only one!...Give us what you have, please Rob! Thanks!

I hear it is a guy named Dan Lewis of the ?? Reader in San Diego. phone number 619-302-8900

I have not found anything yet on this guy and his resume looks thinner than Gielen's.

this is the name I have.

Thanks Rob!

Shout out to Hotping!

This it Rob

San Diego Reader | Cavalcade of RaunchMar 26, 2008 ... That involved Daniel Day Lewis doing a pretty good imitation of John .... 2008 SD READER :: SAN DIEGO READER :: 1703 India Street San Diego ...
www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2008/mar/26/cavalcade-raunch/ - 47k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=daniel+Lewis++Reader+San+Diego+

Mum, Daniel Day Lewis is an actor - he was in "Last of the Mohican's".

 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will leave it for the experts...Can you tell I don't watch movies!!!! This is about the only screen I see, the one in front of me right now!!!

Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).
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Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE) Jul 1, 2005

Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.

The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.

in S&S

lalla mum
The books material are intro to Shango, How to Shango, The complete Shango and The new Encyclopedia of Shango.
These books where written by Alex Mathew.

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There are several, chinese Rest. But in Indonisia or how the Dutch call it, Lekker exotic dinners is only one. The food they sell is mostly Dutch chinese Cuisine.

Not The House of Rave. There is several House of rave in Aruba but in Noord there is none left.

Alex had the last one and it was Called Spice Night Club. Meaning hot, sexy, you know. He was robed of all this and end up in Jail. The palce is till there but to find it you had to know what was in Noord as house of Rave.

From the House of Joran there is was a House of Rave that night but not gold brick.

on a straight path means from the Police station go straight. Pass the house of Rave (Alex old SPICE Night Club)
To the Gold Bricks (These are the Fininacial Institution) Banks - Aruba Bank

Trun Left till the dirt road....on the Dirt road you will find the pond.

The pond is Behine the Restaurant LEKKER RESTAURANT (e X o T i C   D i N n A (r)

Here is the mistery
 
 
 

Thanks Johan...I wonder what happened to Alex Mathew?

interesting stuff that article from july 1st 2005 johan!

Fits the bill...intelligent, a bone to pick...but can we put him in Florida?

this :

Why do they want to deport Alex Mathew?
October 6, 2006 | Page 2

EDWARDO "ALEX" MATHEW is a U.S. permanent resident and Dutch national who has been unjustly detained and threatened with deportation by the Department of Homeland Security. But his family and friends in Providence, R.I., are fighting back, forming the Committee to Stop Deportations and Detentions.

Alex's wife, ARIANNA IANNUCCILLI-MATHEW talked to SHAUN JOSEPH and BRIAN CHIDESTER about the couple's experience. Shortly after this interview, Alex was moved from the Suffolk County, Mass., jail to the Buffalo Federal Detention Center.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

WHO IS Alex Mathew?
HE WAS born in Aruba and lived there for a while, and in the Netherlands. We've been married for 11 years.

In Aruba, he was involved in politics. He owned a few businesses, including a security guard company and a nightclub. He also had a telecommunications license from the government to open a phone company in Aruba in 2001. This was rare because there were few such licenses awarded by the government.

Following the takeover by a new government, Alex was politically and racially targeted, and unjustly and inhumanely incarcerated.

While he was in jail, he was abused and tortured. We submitted all the evidence to the European Court of Human Rights, the most influential human rights court in Europe. His case was accepted by the court, and he won. The court decided that the Aruban authorities had violated Article 3 of the Convention on Human Rights.

It was a landmark case, because no one from the Netherlands had won a case in that court. Because he won that case, the cases in Aruba could be reopened on appeal. They are still pending.

So in 2004, once he was released from the Aruban jail, he came here to the United States, legally on his visa waiver. We had a baby, and he opened a granite company. He was making a life here in the United States.

He was still involved in some things in Aruba. He helped with the elections last August, and he tried to run his own campaign for the depressed town of San Nicolas, in an oil refining area in Aruba, and against the oil refinery.

My husband's the type of person who will stand up for his rights and for other peoples' rights as well. For this reason, he rubs people the wrong way. They feel he's Black, so he shouldn't have a voice. He is a caring person who would give you the shirt off his back.

He has his business here, we own a home and an office building, he has his friends here, his son and me. We were making our life here.

MOST AMERICANS think that immigrants who marry citizens automatically become citizens themselves. What was the process like of applying for Alex's permanent residency?

BECAUSE WE didn't know how to do it, we went to a service that supposedly knew what paperwork to fill out. We explained my husband's situation to the woman who ran the service, and gave her all the appropriate documents.

We explained that he had been in jail in Aruba, and that the U.S. government knew this because they had sent several letters on my behalf, inquiring about my husband to the government of Aruba. She explained that the U.S. government was not concerned if he had been in jail outside the U.S. She filled out the paperwork and typed everything, and we went one day to sign the paperwork.

My husband got different letters in the mail to go for fingerprints, then his work permit, and then we went for the interview. The interview went well. The interviewer asked us some questions about our marriage and about my husband. But interviewer said in court that she did not ask all the questions on the I-485 form, nor did she ask them verbatim--she paraphrased the questions. She asked my husband if he had ever been arrested, but didn't specify inside or outside the U.S.

We were under the impression that the question only applied to inside the U.S, and she didn't clarify it. Finally, she stamped his passport, and we got his green card.

DESCRIBE THE incidents that led to Alex's problems with Immigration and his detention.

ON NOVEMBER 5, 2005, he was returning from a trip to Holland, and he was pulled aside at Logan Airport in Boston by Customs. He was asked if he had ever been in jail in Aruba. He told them yes. They came back with some paperwork and said there was a discrepancy, and that he was being paroled back into the U.S.

U.S. Customs took his green card and passport, and gave him a notice to report to the customs office in Providence to explain the situation, so he could get back his green card and passport. We went to the CBP [Customs and Border Patrol] office on several occasions, and each time we went, they said they didn't have the documents. They kept postponing the appointment.

Then we got another letter to go to the immigration office on May 9 to complete "the deferred inspection," and we thought he was going to get his green card back. They took him in a room and shackled him and arrested him. We never got a chance to explain the situation.

When he was paroled back in the U.S., every time we went to the customs office, we asked if we could bring an attorney, and they told us he was not entitled to an attorney, because of his parole status.

He's been in jail since May 9,2006. They've beat him up, violated his rights, denied him due process and tortured him at each of the prisons immigration has placed him in.

My husband is a civil/administrative detainee, not a criminal detainee. He is being accused of lying on his application, because the incarceration in Aruba can't be used against him to deport him or even to detain him. So they have him in jail because they have accused him of lying.

WHAT HAPPENED after Alex was detained?

HE'S BEEN moved by immigration to four different facilities. At the Wyatt, they jumped on his back and re-injured a preexisting back condition. He has been denied medical treatment in one form or another at all four prisons. At the other three prisons, he has been called racial slurs, tormented and threatened by the guards. He's been denied access to his family via visits or phone calls.

He is currently at the Suffolk County jail, where he's been in segregation for over a month without just cause. My attorneys and I have written several letters inquiring about his strict detention, and they have not responded.

He is allowed out of his cell one hour a day in hand and foot cuffs. He hasn't been able to take a shower, because they let him out in full restraint, in a wheelchair. He hasn't gotten any fresh air because they don't take him out to get fresh air.

On his one-hour recreation, he usually calls me to let me know how he is doing. Some days, he is not allowed out of his cell at all. And they take him out at 8 in the morning, so even if he wanted to call the lawyer, he couldn't. By law, he should be able to at least call his lawyer every day, no matter what status they have him in.

It's been mentally, physically, emotionally, financially draining. My son hasn't seen his father in over two months. It's been horrible.

It's frustrating because we've written several letters to the government, the attorney general, congressional leaders and senators, President Bush, Immigration, and no one's responded. We've written most recently several letters the Suffolk County jail to find out why he's being tortured like this, and we still haven't gotten a response.

Immigration says they know nothing about his treatment--it's the county jails' decision to keep him in any status they feel necessary. We call the county jail to ask about his treatment, and they tell us they cannot give us any information, and we have to call Immigration to get information.

The Suffolk jail has severely mistreated my husband. They have violated his civil and human rights and denied him due process--they refuse to give us a reason for his segregation in writing. Now, instead of dealing with the problem, the superintendent of Suffolk jail, Mr. Horgan, has requested of ICE that my husband be moved to a new prison.

We feel my husband's inhumane and criminalizing treatment is an attempt by Immigration to put pressure on my husband, so he will not fight his case, and give up and go back to Aruba.

Immigration consistently claims that they don't know why he is in segregation, yet in court on the record, the Immigration prosecutor Richard Neville says he's in segregation because he was a kick boxer and assaulted a warden in Aruba. The jail can't tell us why he's in segregation, but the prosecutor can?

Obviously, there is communication between Immigration and the jail. We feel that Immigration told them he was a kick boxer. My husband has not kick boxed in over 13 years. It's Immigration that's doing this to him.

WHY IS the government trying to deport Alex?

THEY'RE ACCUSING him of lying on his permanent resident application. They're saying he lied on his application; if he didn't lie, they're saying they would not have let him in anyway.

They're really trying to deport him because he's Black, because he stands up for his rights, and because he had a good life here--they're trying to make an example. He has a business, he has an American wife and an American-born son. They're treating him like he's a terrorist.

I definitely think the way he's been treated and the reason this process has been like it has is because he's Black. If he were white, they would not take him into court with eight guards around him. And then at the next court date, they only took him in with one guard. My husband says he can't make sense of this whole thing.

WHAT'S NEXT in Alex's case?

THE JUDGE had given the prosecution several deadlines to meet in order to produce certified documents proving the accusations against Alex. They did not meet any of those deadlines, and the judge has still accepted the documents. I still don't think they're properly certified--the certificate that's supposed to be attached had the name of the person who's supposed to sign, but did not have their title--but he still accepted them.

The next court hearing is just to see if the judge will allow Alex to subpoena the witnesses that he wants in his defense. They are witnesses who work for Homeland Security. My husband doesn't think the judge is going to allow them to be witnesses.

I want to help my husband to get out of jail and prevent his deportation. I also want to bring awareness to Americans to show them what's happening to the immigrants and bring awareness to immigrants to show them they have to join together to stop the government from abusing them.

The government tries to make immigrants feel as if they are "lucky" to be here, so they take the abuse. We want to get an organization going to get more people involved--to help bring light to the situation so hopefully Americans will understand, because when I tell them the story, they can't believe it.

My husband is not the only one this is happening to. It's happening to a majority of immigrants, they're putting them in jail without cause. If we don't stop the unjust deportation and detention of immigrants now, it will eventually affect all immigrant families and American families.

HOW HAS this experience changed your view of the world?

IT'S MADE me realize that America is corrupt, selfish, and unfair--I thought Aruba was corrupt, but after this ordeal with my husband, I think America's worse.

I feel that there's so many injustices and that America thinks they can rule the world and interfere with every country, and with people's lives and families. America feels they can destroy lives and families, and there's no repercussion, yet they complain everybody hates them. I feel there is so much hatred toward America because of the way they treat human beings.

I have all the time the idea that Paul vd Sloot did a case as a lawyer
And that someone will  take revenge on Him

can this Alex Mathew be  S or S ?

here in amsterdam we say : de wraak is zoet

that means :revenge is sweet

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/about_us/

dollar is now worth less than 63.5 eurocents.
biggest drop since april, then it was at its lowest (62.5).

crude oil price is nearing $140 a barrel. highest ever.
biggest percentage two-day gain since december 2001
and biggest dollar gain since trading began.

i think Edison Briesen is getting much more worried now.

i fond this also  on  riehlworldview.com

Posted by: ohboys | Sep 6, 2005 2:55:52 AM

Dan, You are either well meaning and naive or politically connected to Jossy Mansur and or Alex Mathew. I have checked the Alex Mathew connection in every way possible for a layman. The rest would take Interpol. We can find no hard connection between Mathew and Mansur except that they both have a very big grudge against the currect justice department. Mansur feels that they "ruined his reputation." Mathew was jailed for beating up his wife, and an employee (this according to old articles). According to Aruba sources, she rightfully filed charged. He originally got 100 days but that was increased to 6 years that got reduced to almost 4 years when he beat up Ben Vocking. Aruba sources say that Mathew is very physically fit and some accused him of very heavy steriod use that caused him to go psycho. So now Mathew is out of jail, with a very big grudge about how he was treated--according to him. Aruba sources say that the wife, Arianna, who has organized his human rights campaign is the same wife who he beat up. (I could not however confirm that with enough sources to firmly believe that Arianna is the same wife.) She lives in Rhode Island. Now go forward with this.

Arianna, who you see listed in Mathew's press releases regarding Save San Nicholas and Boycott Aruba, is a Chiropractor from Providence. She is also a businesswoman. In February 2005, Mathew set up a real estate corporation in Rhode Island called Massimo Inc. According to the Rhode Island corporation filing, he plans to invest and manage real estate. Mathew also plans several lawsuits for 1) human rights 2) personal injury 3) environmental lawsuits regarding the refinery and San Nicholas, etc. etc.

Mathew had a press conference in Aruba just before the Soul Beach concert on May 27th. He notified the main Aruba newspapers of his intention to make statements and totally everybody ignored him. Supposedly, even Jossy Mansur shunned him. So he must have been ticked off at that. According to a local source, Alex Mathew's brother was seen at the Holiday Inn with a walkie talkie a few days after Natalee's disappearance. I have not found anyone who knows where Alex Mathew was on May 30. But in early June, Mathew was on the island and exhibited some strange behavior according to one source. He was accused of annoying and scaring someone to put it mildly.

So, there is a whole lot going on in Aruba politics that we don't know about.

In that article above :
I have not found anyone who knows where Alex Mathew was on May 30. But in early June, Mathew was on the island and exhibited some strange behavior according to one source.

On arubansecrets:

Mathew is a trouble maker
The issues on Alex Matthew could have merit if the Judge had not "lost" all of the evidence. It is a shame that we may never know the truth.


I'm sending this anonymously as I don't want to get involved. I am
pretty sure that the guy in dreadlock is "Brian" and is not the same person as the one picture next to him. I am certain of this.
Mathew is a trouble maker. Everyone that lives here in Aruba knows that and no one paid attention to his claims. He is a convicted felon. I think he was originally jailed for armed robbery and when in jail he was constantly in problems. He assaulted Prison Warden in a very vicious way. He claimed torture and what have you but everyone knows he's the trouble maker. He used some pictures that were clearly fake(set up) to claim human rights abuse and torture and now that he's out of jail want revenge for which he's using his american wife for.

Helen, I was thinking the same thing.  Does she realize she is uncovering the cover-up of it being safe?  It appears when she engages her mouth (or keyboard) her mind goes numb.  Maybe she can only operate one of them at a time.

Always1 and those responding, I am enjoying your luggage talk.

         ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Me do........jackb

were do they use these pipes for on aruba ?
sand .water,oil ?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/krampenXXXXXXXXXX.jpg?t=1212786563)

Destiny has been gone all day. I hope everything is ok at her house.

BONGS

This is the most logical explanation of "shango" I've seen yet! Where the heck is lala's??? Alex Mathews has been discussed in detail before as well.

My guess is, the only bio, that will magically become available, will appear in wikipedia complete with unsubstantiated lies.  Perhaps under "forensic scientist".....


One of his associates wasn't complimentary on Aruba:

Jetting to Aruba is tiresome, uncomfortable, and annoying. Especially if you're sitting next to a shower curtain salesman for motel chains who wants to tell you every fascinating aspect of the job. Airline peanut bags are still as hard to open as ever, and airport security -- well, you probably know. Aruba isn't what it once was, but you can still find good seafood restaurants. A good steak? Good luck.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2006/aug/10/what-happened-your-shorts/

He B. talkin' about this feller!

Del Griffith

"Planes, Trains and Automobiles"

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/duu.jpg)

I've listed to Elmo and a few things come to mind.

What if the Aruban Judiciary does the right thing with regard to J2K, PVDS, and others?   What if the gang is taken to task for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (and other things)?

I wonder if tourism businesses will call Elmo (and Mrs. Johnson, and their friends) back to help them book the vacation of a lifetime?

 ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Probably not! I don't think Aruba would really want

me, Mrs. Johnson, or my brother Howard Johnson...

in their GENERALLLLLL DIRRRRRECTION.   :)

When you search "arubans in drag" ---- you get "Tito Lacle"  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Put a fruit-basket on his head, some lipstick, and two bananas hanging from his ears and he

is regular Carmen Miranda, wreck! I TISH you not.

Hello Klaas...and Gang...I took the day off...feeling better ;-)

Just got off the phone with K-Swiss Corporate...the shoe in the photo..the LX Graffiti  IIRC...it was produced in the 2nd. quarter of 2005...extremely limited production...in the men's shoe the metal D-rings for the laces came in blue and red...

White D-rings only... in the woman's shoe...

That model of shoe was distributed in the US only...no European distribution on that model.

Did we ever discuss the metal D-rings?

Destiny

Thank You Destiny for all your hard work. So it was not Joran's shoe.

That would be my take.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

The red sole ones have white rings for the laces on the picture from K-swiss someone showed yesterday.   Jack Blue

i found this about Alex Mathew
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Arubagirlkopie.jpg?t=1212793025)

were is that Camp? is that true ?

Aruba girl works for
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubagirl-2kopie.jpg?t=1212792925)

hmmmm - nothing makes sense. Perhaps they were mistaken on the "model #"

The second quarter:  April, May, June 2005?  He said the shoes were new, but you know Joran.  Debbie may have received a picture on BFN that shows some interesting stuff on the found shoe--via e-mail.  If she got it she may share...jackb

I asked him if that model had colored soles...he said no...

And somewere on SM :
Alex Mathew (fighter?) is known to be pretty agressive and got himself in jail after commiting ‘’multiple beatings'’ over a period of time. Then he was in jail I guess the guards and him got in a row and hit him too hard. Something like that. Haven’t heard about him in years.

To clarify - so since this shoe has white "D" rings it is a womans shoe?  BUT...it was produced 2nd quarter 2005 in the  USA (Joran claimed to have purchased his shoes in the USA).

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissfound.jpg)

Someone may be "pulling your leg."  The ones in the picture appears to be the same and has red soles.  Also has white lace rings.  The found shoe seems to have either the paint chipped off (one is torn away from the string in that pic.) and the bare metal showing. Close to the bottom and very close to the shoe is showing some red, but???? Jackb

As well, at the bottom of the found show at the base of the heel indicates there was a red sole on this shoe.  It is a small piece of red rubber left there.  Also the sole was removed from the found shoe.  If you do get a chance to see what was sent to Debbie at BFN you can see where the sole was attached and whatever it is they used to help attach it beside the glue shows as little stud like pieces, possibly.  Jackb

Nice work Destiny! Interesting that this shoe was made and distributed at about the same time Joran said he bought his and in the states. Also interesting is the substance all over the front of the shoe..They certainly did a deicent job if this is all a hoax.

So is this a very small ladies shoe like the OM in Aruba claims? Or a shoe much bigger like the reporter claimed?

sighs loudly, some people just never learn.  never take my wonderfully reasonable and intelligent advice.
dennisintn

The shoe has been dressed up before you saw it.  It shows nothing for whatever reason.  The real condition of the show has been covered over.  It may or may not be, but the picture is definitely not as you are seeing it by the time it was put on the I-net.  Jackb

On October 9, 2001 Mathew was arrested on Aruba on a charge of inflicting grievous bodily harm. From October 2001 until the end of April 2004 he was detained on remand in the Aruba Correctional Institution (Korrektie Inrichting Aruba), (KIA). During most of that time, he was in solitary confinement.

On November 29, 2001 an incident took place in which the acting KIA governor was very seriously injured (broken eye socket, cheekbone and skull) and for which the applicant was subsequently convicted of inflicting serious bodily harm.

Following the incident, the Mathew was placed in solitary confinement for 35 days. Thereafter, on January 4, 2002, a special detention regime was imposed on him, aimed at keeping him away from the other prisoners. He was not allowed to leave his cell without handcuffs around his wrists and fetters around his ankles (the use of fetters was discontinued after a certain time). Contact with the outside world was also limited. On two other occasions after the Mathew had, among other things, assaulted prison staff, he was also denied visits or use of the telephone for 28 days.

From the time when the Mathew was first detained there until some time between August and October 2002, there was a large opening in the roof of the applicant’s cell through which the rain penetrated. The cell was located on the second and top floor of the KIA prison building and exposed its occupant to the heat of the sun. Iced water was provided; there was, however, no air conditioner or other cooling system. There were no lifts.

As from June 2002 the applicant was found to be suffering from a serious spinal condition. Aruba’s only neurosurgeon found that the applicant had a lumbar discal hernia and considered surgery to be appropriate. He asked for the applicant to be examined by another neurosurgeon for a second opinion, which did not happen. The applicant was provided with a wheelchair on August 14 2002, but permission to use it was withdrawn following an incident on 13 February 2003, when he ripped a piece of metal off his wheelchair and used it as a weapon against prison staff.

On February 19 2003 Mathew began court proceedings requesting more comfortable detention conditions. Among other things, he complained that his cell was unsanitary and that he was made to walk down two flights of stairs to meet visitors, take outside exercise or go to hospital, and that he was denied physiotherapy and a wheelchair. A local court ordered the prison to review the need for continuing the special regime at regular intervals.

On April 14 2003 Mathew was found guilty as charged on appeal by the Joint Court of Justice for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, which stated that it had imposed a considerably lower sentence (three years and six months instead of five years) than would normally be justified by the applicant’s crimes, in view of the unusual severity of the regime imposed on him while on remand.

Mathew received physiotherapy in hospital from 23 May until 13 June 2003. It was intended he should continue to receive physiotherapy as an outpatient. However, his physiotherapy sessions were discontinued. The applicant maintained that his physical condition prevented him from walking from his cell to the vehicle which was to take him to hospital and from sitting up straight in the vehicle.

Mathew would normally have been eligible for early release on 27 January 2004. This, however, was refused him on grounds related to his behaviour in prison.

A physiotherapist who examined Mathew on 6 March 2004 described him as able, despite going nine months without treatment, to walk a distance of at least 90 meters and carry out complex physical actions such as twisting his body and walking stairs.

Mathew was released by order of the Minister of Justice of Aruba on April 30 2004 (by which time his application before the European Court of Human Rights had been communicated to the Netherlands Government).

480 kilo / 1060 pounds cocaine seized by Aruba/Antilles coastguard near St. Maarten.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4178438/_Kustwacht_onderschept_480_kilo_coke__.html?cid=rss

The mens tennis shoe on WWW.kswiss.com have white rings on them...

Did that ship depart from Aruba or was headed that way? There has been some monstrous cocaine busts this last week and somebody is out a few million today.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

When I say may or may not be, I mean as belonging to Joran.  But I am sure about the rest of what I wrote.   Jackb

Growing drug addicts is their main cash "crop."  J/b

Like what you did to Eduardo Matthew?
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. He is DirtyHand.
Dirty Hand is possibly even Shango

who is Refunjol ?

Saw posted at RU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4TmbIb5b24


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Fredis......the governor

chief of state: Queen BEATRIX of the Netherlands (since 30 April 1980), represented by Governor General Fredis REFUNJOL (since 11 May 2004)
head of government: Prime Minister Nelson O. ODUBER (since 30 October 2001)
cabinet: Council of Ministers (elected by the Staten)
elections: the monarch is hereditary; governor general appointed for a six-year term by the monarch; prime minister and deputy prime minister elected by the Staten for four-year terms; election last held 28 September 2001 (next to be held by December 2005)
election results: Nelson O. ODUBER elected prime minister; percent of legislative vote - NA

The "good" looking condition that appears on the shoe is definitely not when looked at in the right lighting.  The shoe, since there is an apparent disguising of the condition indicates to me that is IS most likely Joran's shoes.  However the what appears to be initials on the back may just be cut marks.....then again??? There is a definite appearance of blood on that shoe, on the strings and under the strings, down where the sole was detached and in cracks and crevices.  The appearance of many pictures from there have been altered to protect that bunch of thugs.  They were probably betting we had heard about the shoe being found and fixed the picture up before it was seen by those interested in justice.   jackb

Was this Eduardo Matthew a friend of Joran ?
He was a kick boxer
And he is also a poker player

Suspects from several cases shown at Awe24.com

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/894/suspectswg7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Shout out to Sharon!!  If you happen to see this, I need a favor...Email me please.  cindoal@yahoo.com 

One month following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway there were those who recognized the signs ... the signs that implied that justice for the 18 year old American citizen would never be realized.

Janet

+++++++++++


http://newsblaze.com/story/2005070108300200001
http://eworldwire.com/pressreleases/12239

Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE) Jul 1, 2005

Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this?  Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.  

The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.
     
Massimo
RI,    USA
4018645592 (phone)

If you are talking about the Alex Eduardo Mathew that was in KIA...I doubt he knew Joran.  Mathew is a bit older, I think.  He owned a night club in Aruba called the Spice Night Club. I don't know if that is the same person or not. I am sure someone here will be able to answer your question for certain.

Does anyone know who owns the Digicel Tower in Aruba and also who owns the Pan American Sumarine Cable Co in Aruba?????

I would say Mr.Matthews probably hates Paul Van Der Sloot for helping Ben Vocking in his case and definetly Rudy Croes. I doubt he knew Joran as he is much older. It is quite clear Eduardo is the victim here and he suffered greatly and endured human rights violations. I believe he even won his case in the hague. Some of the same people are also involved in the criminal activities against Carlos Tromp and Natalee Holloway.

Charles Croes did have the cell phone and some other communications there, but as for the tower itself, etc. I have no idea, but Charles was at first for Beth then turned on her.  I guess he got the "word."   jackb

Digicel:

DIGICEL COMMUNICATIONS 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 60, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  NEW MILLENNIUM TELECOM SERVICES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 FEBRUARY 2001 
Last amendment in the articles  28 DECEMBER 2004 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 4,000,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 954,200.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 954,200.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
WINKLAAR, MICHELLE JANICE; 
Residing in  WAYACA 255, ( RESIDENCE), ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  CANADA, TORONTO on 20 SEPTEMBER 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  3 FEBRUARY 2005 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
O'BRIEN, DENNIS JOHN; 
Residing in  NO. 10 PARQUE ATLANTICO, R, RUA ATLANTICO QUINTA DO LAGO 8135 , ALMACIL ALGARVE, PORTUGAL 
Born in  IRELAND, DUBLIN on 19 APRIL 1958 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
BUCKLEY, LESLIE FRANCIS; 
Residing in  8 ROCKLANDS, HARBOUR RD , DALKEY, CO. DUBLIN, IRELAND 
Born in  IRELAND, CORK on 18 OCTOBER 1944 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
GAFFNEY, LUCY COLUMBA; 
Residing in  21 ALMA ROAD, MONKSTOWN , CO DUBLIN, IRELAND 
Born in  IRELAND, DUBLIN on 10 FEBRUARY 1960 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
POSNER, ISRAEL; 
Residing in  VONDELLAAN 7, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 18 OCTOBER 1930 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  18 APRIL 2005 
   
LUTE, JOHANNES CATHARINA; 
Residing in  LA QUINTA VILLAS K-112, SANTA CATHARINA, CURACAO, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, ALKMAAR on 23 MARCH 1965 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 SEPTEMBER 2005 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CHATTEN, OLIVER WALTER; 
Residing in  CAYA DI CAMPEONAN 1, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  IRELAND, MEATH on 14 JULY 1971 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  26 OCTOBER 2007 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. TO OPERATE (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE) A TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
2. TO INSTALL, HAVE IN POSSESSION AND MAINTAIN EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE
NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE)
TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
3. TO GIVE FOR A FEE CONNECTION TO SUBSCRIBER AND/OR THROUGH THE
AUTHORIZED THIRD PARTIES TO (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE)
TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
4. TO IMPORT, BUY AND SELL PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT.
5. THE FULL OR PARTIAL ACCUMULATION OF PENSION PROVISIONS IN BEHALF OF
EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY , PAST EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SURVIVING RELATIONS.
6. TO ACT AS FINANCECOMPANY AND AS INTERMEDIARY IN EFFECTING FINANCING OF
TRANSACTIONS.
7. THE CORPORATION CAN PERFORM UNDER 6 THESE ACTIVITIES IN THE FRAMEWORK OF ITS NORMAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS - NOT WITH IMPORTANCE ACTS AS FINANCE COMPANY - IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CANNOT BE DEEMED AS A CREDIT INSTITUTION AS MEANT IN THE STATE ORDINANCE SUPERVISION BANKING AND CREDIT SYSTEM. FURTHERMORE, ITS IS EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED FROM ATTRACTING MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC AND/OR TO LEND OUT MONEY TO THE PUBLIC;

 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 


http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

Thank you Klassend

Sure *******
he hates : Aruba -Usa-Ben- Paul vd Sloot
he lived near the marriot
he plays poker

Yes the men's shoe has white...red...blue D-rings

eduardo mathew was  the guy that attacked ben vocking

caps:
If he has a personal war agains the corruption of Aruba. And how he was incaserated for taken justice in his own hand agains his ex. wife...But the ex wife was also playing and in his rage but in KIA they abuse of all his rights and they ried to break him apart. He was a very fit guy and owner of the Millenium Security in Aruba. He was body guard for some wealthy old ladies that travel frequenlty to Aruba and he was their protector.

somewere on S&S on SM
 always thought that the obvious pick was Eduardo Matthew. But I could not find the early clues to the ID for multiple reasons. ...

were can i find that post ?

Yes on Mens shoe...D-rings are white...red...and blue...expert from email from K-Swiss...

***I can't say for sure if the shoe in the image is men's or women's.  I
did check with our guys in Asia last evening and as mentioned the shoe
in the image is what we call a "Special Make-up".  This means it's a
limited production run shoe specifically intended for a particular
retailer or region. 

The model name of the shoe in the image was called the "Classic LX
Graffiti".  In men's we produced roughly 7,666 pair and in women's we
produced 9,788 pair.***

Destiny - OK...so the shoes in Diario could be mens shoes and were sold in the 2nd quarter of 2005 in the USA.  Do I have that right?  If I have that right, then the shoes could have been Joran's.  Not saying they are, I'm just saying it's possible.

LOL I am in the same area you are...I was about to post that for you.  Mathew is probably not Shango unless you can put him in Florida in June 2005...I think Caps has since decided that he is not Shango...but it doesn't hurt to look at all. 

Destiny,

Please forgive me for being dense. I've been a sick sock monkey for about 3 weeks now, so my brain is probably not working properly. I just want to clarify something about the shoe.

The shoe COULD be a man's shoe because the rings on the mens' shoes could have been either red or white or blue?

Thanks.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/gretainterview-shoes.jpg)

Anna

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2949 on: February 29, 2008, 01:53:46 PM »
   
Good Afternoon, Tangoers!

Two quick thoughts.

Mathews has been and continues to be incarcerated.  He was during this entire time period.  He has been extradited to the U.S. to serve out the balance of his sentence near his wife.  I believe he is in a U.S. prison in the New England region where his wife lives.  Northeast.

He is kept in a form of solitary confinement about which he is most unhappy.  It was deemed necessary in this country as well for reasons of safety.

Because of this, I wanted Capslock to think whether or not a person in such confinement would have access to a computer.  Hotshots has spoken with his wife and knows much more about it I do believe.

Secondly, aren't Spanish names the given name then the surname or father's last name followed by the mother's last name?  If one of the last names is to be dropped, it is the second one, opposite of what would be done in this country?

Example:  John Smith (father's last name) Jones (mother's lasts name).  If they do not use a last name, it is the Jones that would be deleted for a Spanish name.

I apologize for the interruption but thought this might save some effort on the part of all your research.

Please just ignore if you find it too disruptive.

Caps response to Anna post:

According to KIA papers he did serve his sentance in Aruba completly. He was not extradited to the USA.

This is from KIA officials that handled him everyday.

Klass, can you delete my last post?  I didn't realize you had already posted it. 

Anna

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2956 on: February 29, 2008, 02:36:28 PM »
   
Capslock,

You are correct that he was not extradited.  He is in prison here on new and separate charges.  I couldn't recall the details, just knew he was still in jail.

Here is Post #616 from link below:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2439.msg317518#msg317518

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 -
« Reply #616 on: December 15, 2007, 02:18:17 AM »

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Quote from: Anna on December 14, 2007, 10:46:06 PM
Thanks, Hotshots.

So Matthews is serving time in this country as a sort of exchange with Netherlands.  I wonder how much longer he has to go on his sentence.

And talk about wild stories, very early when I first heard about him and had a few Aruban contacts, one of them told me in an email that the reason he got in a fight with Vocking in the first place was because Vocking was hitting on Matthews wife, implying that if she knew what was good for Alex, she better play along with him.

That's just one of those wild rumors and I have no way of proving it one way or another, just gossip but it might explain his behavior somewhat.

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No, Matthews is being held because he lied on his visa entry papers. He is now saying he is a political prisoner in the USA and the US is committing a crime against humanity by holding him in jail.

He also claimed that he was being mistreated and tortured by his US jaile