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Okay, back to the shoe pictures........................ (sorry) ::MonkeyHaHa::

*******, I lost your email ...please email me.  I have something good to show you.   ::MonkeyDance::

What they did it in public and on record never proved to be true like the full search of the Van Der Sloot home in 2005. When we became aware that only Joran's Apt was searched,Deputy Dompig tried to convince us they were denied searching that house and he was very dissapointed. We know the OM never asked to search anything more and it was Dompig himself who obstructed that search by protecting the privacy of Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects.

Strange that the last two pictures I can find of KJ she is with Dennis Jacobs and Dompig. What a team they made  ::MonkeyNoNo::
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Right..Well I almost forgot who Deputy Dompig is related to..Was it really Paul Van Der Sloot he was protecting?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Adrew G.Hodges, M.D.

page 21

>>>>SNIP

     Shortly after midnight on Monday night, May 31, 2005--twenty-four hours after Natalee
went missing--Paulus van der Sloot was shocked to find the Twittys knocking on his door in Aruba, asking to speak to his son about their daughter.  He might have expected such a scene at some point, but not this point.
     Eyewitnesses on the scene testify that the elder van der Sloot at some point expressedsuprise that the Twittys had arrived so quickly, commenting, "How did you get here? There are no flights into a Aruba until Thursday!" He never imagined that Beth and Jug would fly to Aruba on a friends corporate jet.

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I brought this over from the previous thread. I would just like to make an additional comment about the statement Paulus is remembered to make. I believe he did make such a statement. A statement of such magnitude would certainly stick in my mind. Secondly, I don't think it would be likely that someone would have let such a statement "slip" if they were already aware that the Twittys were on the way. IMO Paulus did not know that the Twittys were coming. If he knew they were coming ie hotel reservations made as someone earlier suggested I think it would have been much more likely that he would have had the Kalpoes car not be there and Joran home on a school night as I am sure most 17 year old students facing finals and graduation would have been. Call me naive.....

I don't think he knew either, it was a shock to him when they arrived so quickly.

If PVDS did make that statement then he was probably in panic mode as he had 3 days less then he originally thought. He didnt have time to think about it as he had to get Deepak and Joran off of the property to dispose of something major and to make sure they all told the same lie. If I remember correctly the Family had to wait like 45 mins to a hour for the ALE to arrive before they could go the VDS house. During that time a good semeratin cop probably alerted the Judge after being told a American Family was headed to his door for her Kidnapped Daughter.

bb, I agree with you.  Paulus may have confided his problem with a few of his cronies, but I don't think that the rest of Aruba had any idea that Beth and Dave would be going after Joran.  When the jet touched down in Aruba, Joran and the Kalpoes weren't linked to Natalee except for a few descriptions that Beth had received from MB kids and the Holiday Inn video tapes.  If Paulus received any advanced warning it probably came from the police station and not earlier.  Are you crazy from thought prints, yet?

I completely agree panic mode is a good description.

I put on my "granny" glasses and ... still cannot see the blue?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

I told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005

GRACE: ... Jossy, what`s the latest regarding the search for Joran Van Der Sloot`s shoes? Now, didn`t he tell police he lost them that night? How do you lose your shoes?

MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/ng.01.html


Susan Candiotti
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005

CANDIOTTI: Well, finally, confirmation that authorities are putting out a public request to be on the lookout, if you will, for a pair of sneakers that Joran, according to law enforcement authorities, claims that he might have lost the night that Natalee went missing, when he was on the beach with her, he said, at that fisherman`s hut area, which is near the Marriott and the Holiday Inn hotels.

Described as size 14, a pair of brand new sneakers. The brand is K- Swiss.

GRACE: … Size 14, K-Swiss, are those...

CANDIOTTI: White and blue in color, that`s right. And they`re looking for this pair of brand new sneakers that he told police, as they stressed to me, in one of his many statements, that he might have lost this pair of shoes

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

The linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office.  ::MonkeyWink::

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*******  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm sure maybe San would back me, but if Joran said they were blue & white, well.....that's why you can't see the blue... ::MonkeyRoll::  (and I can't see it either, Janet   ::MonkeyWink::  )

Hi Everyone!
Good grief, what's been going on while I've been out of the cage?
 
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/

Heres another picture of Joran and those shoes at that Award Ceremony.

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They said the missing shoes were purchased in Florida and they were blue and white. These appear to be brand new and he is wearing them in Florida,in the other pictures from his trip in FLA he is wearing Nikes. So unless he bought more then one pair of shoes,these appear to be the ones he bought.MO It wouldn't be the first time Joran lied on TV,for all we know they have a receipt of the purchase and all it says is blue and white K-Swiss. Whatever description he gives of his missing shoes you can rest assured it will be the wrong one.

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It's in english. He is telling the audience that the US is heading for a recession. 16 years ago during our last recession -- Aruba remained flat. Basically, he is whistling past the grave yard!

Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Andrew G.Hodges, M.D.

page 14

>>>>SNIP

     While the Twittys and their friends arrived at Joran's house around 1am, Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot, did not respond to efforts to get him to come to the door.  However two Aruban eyewitnesses in the group peered over the fence surrounding the property and spotted what later turned out to be Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray Hondasedan parked near the house.  The Twitty group left to find the local police and eventually ended up back at the van der Sloot home around 3 am, where Paulus this time took fifteen minutes to come to the door. Appearing perplexed, he claimed that his son was out with friends. Then he reached Joran by cell phone.  Supposedly, a mix-up then occurred, with Paulus sending everyone on a wild goose chase to the Wyndham Hotel, looking for Joran and Deepak.  Meanwhile, Joran had heard the messagethat he was to return home, which he did, easily beating the police-who had accompanied the Twitty entourage to the Wyndham--back to his house.
     With Beth still in the van, Jug Twitty and several of his Alabama friends then confronted the two boys as a police officer stood nearby.  Joran and Deepak maintained their innocence, claiming they hadn't seen Natalee since dropping her off at the Holiday Inn the previous night.  At this point, according to Deepak, Jug Twitty blew up.
     "She disappeared because after she went with you assholes she lost," was how Deepak recalled what the stepfather said.
     Joran's own father, Paulus van der Sloot was also present at the confrontation and--again according to Deepak--he jumped in to defend boys, insisting that Aruba was no the United States and that Jug and his friends were out of their jurisdiction.
     "I want you people out of my yard. I know the law!" At that time Paulus van der Sloot was connected to the local court system as a kind of "judge in training" in Aruba, a constituent nation of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
     As Deepak remembers it, one of Jug's friends stepped in to break up the tension, suggesting that they all go to the Holiday Inn to see if Joran and Deepak could identify the security guard with whom they reportedly has left Natalee.  The police agreed and the group proceeded to the hotel, but--in Deepak's own words--"We went there there was no suck security working there as we described."
     At that moment, Deepak and Joran noticed Beth Twitty sitting nearby in her car, in the hotel parking lot.  She was crying. For some reason they felt compelled to speak to her.  Having just experienced "bad cop" Jug Twitty's harsh treatment, perhaps they hoped to find "good cop" Beth Twitty more understanding.  After walking over to Natalee's grieving mother, Deepak states that he and Joran said, "Ma'am, you have to believe us!
We did not do anything with you [sic] daughter."
     The two boys were completely unprepared for what came next.  Beth Twitty --looking them both in the eye--immediately responded, "I don't believe you two. I promise you I will make you [sic] life a living hell because of this."
     As we will see those words from the worried mother, as recounted by Deepak himself,
shook the two boys to their cores.  Though hoping for relief, the two suspects felt red-hot coals heaped on their heads, so searing that one of the boys would crack under the heat.  Deepak--young, frightened, and in much farther over his head than he ever imagined in his worst "nightmare"-- his own word which he repeats twice--did not hold out long before he broke.
     

Thank Wreck - I'll  have to listen to it tomorrow  ::MonkeyWink::

Pff..Yes it's in the only language he knows I bet..
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I tell the Americans the FBI was in charge and Aruba did everything they could and spent millions and it's a safe island..Now time to move on to 70% of our tourism....My research on the cattle and the recession..I mean Americans  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm sure maybe San would back me, but if Joran said they were blue & white, well.....that's why you can't see the blue... ::MonkeyRoll::  (and I can't see it either, Janet   ::MonkeyWink::  )
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Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

That's a relief.  Whew!!

I assume the consensus is that Joran's claim to Greta in March, 2006 that the missing shoes were "exactly" like the white pair he was wearing on the show is the truth and ... his claim in his declaration in June, 2005 was a lie and ... the public request put out by Aruban authorities in August, 2005 for the public to be on the lookout for "blue and white" shoes ...

Hey ... this shoe dialogue is way too confusing for wannabe detective.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

Janet

16 years ago --gas wasn't $4/gallon and they didn't have a huge "monkey" on their back before the recession even started! ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Duh,,If I let my beard grow more will I look more Dutch? I don't think it's fair Rudy can be the only one with the billy goat look..I've been telling the Americans the case will be solved soon..How much longer? They are on to us  ::MonkeyWaa::

Would someone swat the fly off the end of his nose, for me? Thank you. ::MonkeyWink::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

I see a bunch of Aruba Vacation video's uploaded to youtube!  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyCool::

Fine with me Wreck...I'm over my shoe hissy-fit....glad I got that one out of my system... ::MonkeyCool::

YOU REALLY ARE AN *******!!!!


 ::MonkeyWink::


>Elmo work overtime.

 ::MonkeyRoll::

it's in english.  he's explaining how the u.s. is headed for a full blown recession but aruba will be fine. 
dennisintn

Good Morn Dennis...and 2 Guests!

good morning, miss destiny.  nice to see i'm not the only one up this morning.
dennisintn

SS
How much forensics work do you think our FBI was actually involved with?  I think most of us think that they haven't been involved much at all.  Or, have they been very much involved, but that involvement hasn't been released for public knowledge.  Personally, I am very disappointed in our FBI and our government, for their lack of involvement in this case.  I lived in the Middle East for a few years and for some reason I recall thinking at the time that if anything had happened to me, Uncle Sam would have come riding in on a big white horse.  I now know that I was very naive in those thoughts.
 
SS when the FBI called me back on my pictures   that I had sent them.
They said there hands were tied,they were very much involved, but that their involvement can't be released to the  public.
Their was nothing much they could do. 

Hi Monkeys...does anyone know what this is about?

TIA...Destiny


   
AUTO LAGA ATRAS MISTERIOSAMENTE NA NATURAL BRIDGE    PDF    Print    E-mail
Monday, 09 June 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN):--Polis a ser yama den oranan di marduga, pero na yegada no a topa cu e chofer di un jeep cu kizas por tabata tin mal intencion of kier a risca su bida pasobra un tiki mas el a cay for di baranca.Aki ta trata di un jeep A-37835 color preto. No tabata tin informacion cu e lo por tabata horta.

Den e jeep tabata tin un camisa, paki cigaria mientras cu e jeep mes tabata na lock.

Loke a hala atencion tabata e marcanan cu a keda atras.

E chofer a pasa dilanti di e shop na Natural Bridge bai direccion lama y logra man robez parti patras di e shop.

Despues el a bin bek pasa riba un cantidad di mata cu tin planta patras di e shop y sigui bai direccion di e brug chikito.

Pasando riba esaki el a hera cay for di baranca pasobra un pida baranca a kibra cu tur consecuencia.

 Finalmente e jeep a sigui bai y baha na un baranca kedando sin salida.

E jeep a keda entre un baranca halto y un scheur grandi cu a ser ocasiona despues di e caida di e natural bridge original.

Cu un grua ta e forma mas facil pa saca e jeep den e situacion cu el a keda.

Cu e fotonan aki cada ken tin un bista di e locura cu un chofer a haci den oranan di diasabra marduga na Natural Bridge.

Thanks Blonde, 

I would think the only entity that could *tie* the hands of the FBI, would be on the government level.

I was only kidding -- I'm still intrigued by the shoe. Even if it MIGHT have been a hoax, I want to know who left it and why!
(the only reason I left that comment is because I asked us to move on to thread #757 because we had so many nasty arguements on thread #756. No offense meant at all -- you are very much appreciated!!)

I wonder if they will have last call drink specials for the tourist girls?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

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Fuel Crisis

JetBlue cancelled 22 new air buses.
American Eagle went from 55 daily flights to 33 daily flights.
ST.Lucia(?)was cancelled 70%(flights?)with one week notice.
ST.Crus(?)was cancelled 50%(flights?)with one week notice.
AND it looks like Rob Smith is turning into a tub of lard.....you know this all must hurt.
 ::MonkeyWink::

Through pap translator:

car let behind misteriosamente at natural bridge

 monday, 09 june 2008 oranjestad(aan):--polis owing to being calling in oranan of marduga, but at arrival not owing to come across cu the chofer of one jeep cu kizas can was have bad intencion or wanted owing to risk his life because one bit more past owing to cay for of baranca.aki is deal of one jeep a-37835 color black. not was have informacion cu the will can was steal. in the jeep was have one camisa, package cigaria while cu the jeep self was at lock. thing owing to wing atencion was the marcanan cu owing to stay behind. the chofer owing to happen fast of the shop at natural bridge go direccion lama y succeed hand robez part behind the shop. after past owing to come bek happen on one cantidad of kill cu have plant behind the shop y follow go direccion of the bridge diminutive. pasando on this past owing to hera cay for of baranca because one piece baranca owing to break cu all consecuencia. finalmente the jeep owing to follow go y descend at one baranca kedando without exit. the jeep owing to stay among one baranca high y one scheur big cu owing to being ocasiona after of the caida of the natural bridge aboriginal. cu one grua is the form more facil for saca the jeep in the situation cu past owing to stay. cu the fotonan here cada that have one view of the locura cu one chofer owing to haci in oranan of saturday marduga at natural bridge. come across


Looks like a mystery.  Someone left behind a jeep, empty besides a package of cigs, at the Natural Bridge.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2946/30/

Same story here:

http://www.awe24.com/

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I think they wanted to be involved, but were essentially not permitted by Aruba in this case, as a foreign country in becoming involved. After the initial agents sent to the island (which most of whom were withdrawn quickly) they were there as observers only.

I can't believe it!!! My Dad's vacation plan just added Aruba to it's list of properties!! I went on line to book a vacation for the end of summer and there it was!!! We have to let our voices be heard!! Write and tell them to SELL SELL SELL!!!!

Funny part...I did a search and saw a press release where TAN had announced they were added Aruba. Spokesperson said up until now their properties had not met the "TAN standards". I wrote...DUUUHHHH!!! of course you can find half way decent condos for sale NOW!!! EVERYONE IS BAILING AND SELLING THEIR PROPERTIES THERE!!! I also wrote that airlines were reducing or eliminating flights and cruiseships were skipping Aruba's ports!! Added a link to our Aruba Crime Thread!!

Funnier part!!! I went to the "excess inventory list". This is a list of their properties that are NOT booked and so my siblings and I can rent a condo for a week off of the list for $188.00. Yes...$188.00 for the week. Guess what was available EVERY WEEK IN JULY...YEP!!! THE ARUBA PROPERTY!!!! hahahahahaha
Apparently us Monkeys are not the only ones who don't want to visit there!!

Send the customer service and email and let them know what you think about Aruba!! We'll get that property sold!!!

customerservice@planwithtan.com

******* you are a hoot!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Pink Dancers! or Mr Pink Dancers  ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Good morning everyone.  Thanks, Carpe!  You KILL me!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

FIRE SALE!!!! No way anybody is making money at that price. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Oh yeah, it will be fine, after all the U.S. is only 70% of their tourism economy which is 90% of the Gross National Product. I want to see any country that loses 40 percent of their GNP be fine. Yeah right. ::MonkeyWink::

lol...I keep slamming the customer service with more and more "info" and links to the underbelly of Aruba. Send them more e-mails!!!

IDSTlou

I wrote an email/letter to your Dad's vacation plan organization...Destiny

HummmmmIDSTlou...my email to tan plan from the link you provided...was just returned!  Is that the link you are using?

Destiny...gimme a phone number...I'll call them ;-)

Thank you for my little flag!!!

Monkeys

When we uphold Vicki and others in our thoughts, prayers, encouraging words, financial support and/or participation in their unselfish efforts to prevent the Natalee Holloway case from becoming a distance memory ... we are not only honoring Natalee but ... we are also honoring her mother in her contention that pressure on the  Aruban economy is the catalyst that will reveal the truth regarding the events which encompassed the morning when her precious daughter went missing.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway: New Clues
March 25, 2006

Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml

Dayhiker wrote;

Intentionally being the operative word.  :wink:


Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Andrew G.Hodges, M.D.

Hodges states
page 28

>>>>SNIP
I didn't bother with the FBI because I had learned from an impeccable source within the Bureau that Aruba didn't want help.  I was told that the FBI's original offer to put 150 to 200 agents on the ground in Aruba immediately after Natalee's disappearance had been roundly rejected.

Who has more power...Nelson Oduber or Rudy Croes?

Well, holy cow! If that photo above is any indication, Rob Smith is starting to resemble
Mark Purcell! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyEek::

And it's quite hilarious for Rob to compare the current situation with sixteen years ago!
He does indeed seem to be "whistling past the graveyard." Sixteen years ago, Americans actually liked Aruba.

But now, everything has changed with the failure to deliver justice for an American tourist.

rob@ahata.travel


 

As far as power in Aruba I would say Rudy Croes..He controls the entire Justice Dept,Issues the work Visas and a lot more..As far as Power outside of Aruba that would probably be Oduber. In my opinion,I think Rudy is the most powerful man in Aruba.

Klaas if you get a moment can you please edit in Missing Persons :Shelly Pannell FOUND SAFE  Thanks a bunch.

This might help - not sure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Aruba

Politics of Aruba

Politics of Aruba, a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, takes place in a framework of a parliamentary representative democratic country, whereby the prime minister is the head of government, and of a multi-party system. Executive power is exercised by the government. Federal legislative power is vested in both the government and parliament. The Judiciary is independent of the executive and the legislature. Aruba but it has full autonomy on most matters. Exceptions are defence, foreign affairs, and the Supreme Court. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, and a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor of Aruba is appointed for a six-year term by the monarch, and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the Staten for four-year terms. The legislature or Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve four-year terms.

Aruba's judicial system, which has mainly been derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles and the Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.

(snipped)

As a side note:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

Betico Croes

Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

The accident he suffered was questioned by many for years since a car was seen leaving the area after the accident. This conspiracy theory was never proven.

He was the leader of the political party M.E.P. (Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo) and was the person responsible for the Seal, Flag and Hymn of the island of Aruba. The hymn was co-written by renowned Padu Del Caribe (Padu Lampe), and Rufo Wever who also composed the anthem.

In the 1980s he also said that Aruba should target the tourism in order the diversify the economy since it depended mainly on the refinery.

He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert and Junior Croes and 2 daughters Lalo Saladin-Croes and Guisette Croes.

I agree.  This is why I believe that those who claim they are sincerely seeking justice for Natalee Holloway are being naive when they contend that there are those within the ALE and the Aruban Prosecutor's Office who have the same objective and ... cooperation is where it is at.

Janet

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Private Eye:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »

Unfortunately, those trusted with the evidence of the investigation were not good stewards of the evidence. Evidence has been destroyed, search activities delayed with no site protection accomplished by the authorities, and interrogations have been stopped at key points and the person being interrogated allowed to be counseled by parents and attorneys, and interrogations have been stopped just short of key questions being asked when the flow of good information was beginning to come out.

Prisoners being isolated have been furnished cell phones and communication has been allowed to occur between locked up and the free.

Do I think psychics are the answer? No.

But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.

Link to above quote:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750

Is he cross-eyed, or is it just that picture?

It's the picture,but the Aruban Media loves this picture as I have seen it in almost every newspaper  ::MonkeyWink::

He looks "Hyp-no-tized"  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Wreck - More Cowbells    ::MonkeyHaHa::

The Arawak King??!!!

Since Tylergal always maintained that Rudy Croes was the number one Dirty Hand... I will give her kudos to that idea. Why I haven't asked that question before is beyond me...senior moment for sure...but needless to say, Tylergal never wavered once in her thinking that Rudy fit this description.  Looking back we can see that Rudy's hands were all over the cover up and corruption.  He would be in a position to know everything and he would wield the power to coerce van der Straten, Janssen and all the others involved. Why he would want to protect the Sloots and get nothing is suspicious...he is seeing his island's livelihood put in jeopardy over 3 people that could never do anything for him in return.  Rudy may be powerful but he doesn't have any common sense.  He should have sacrificed the scapegoat and things would be back to normal on One Happy Island.

I asked a longtime monkey of ours to read some posts that were located at the freerepublic site for me...she is very good at just picking out things that would interest me...of course that would be Shango related...but she sent me this post and I was wondering what the rest of you think?  Has anyone ever heard about his 6th person?  Would that be a reference to Lorenzo?  Koen?  Sander?  It is probably nothing but I was curious.


To: Betaille
Well Joran is 17 the other two are 18 and 21. The 17 year old's father was a soon to be judge in Aruba. Maybe they kept quiet out of fear until they were arrested just a couple days ago.

It makes me wonder if Joran wanted her to go farther than she wanted and he wanted her to do something in front of the 2 older boys and she refused. They say that Joran had been in anger management classes for a problem he had before. Maybe she got sick on him in the back seat and he lost his cool because it made him look like a fool in front of his 2 buds.

It sounds to me that the 2 older boys are the ones talking and that they are witnesses to what Joran did. Like I said they may have told Joran your on your own and they left on foot. So they might not know where Joran disposed of her body, but they know where she was killed since they were witnesses to it. Joran may have went to this 6th person's home (the one that was arrested this morning) seeking help in getting rid of her body.
273 posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 3:33:31 PM by stlnative

Lala..Thats another source that says there was a arrest on June 11th in the AM..I suspect that it was Freddy but not sure at all..Could be LVR also.

Posted on the front page of SM(going to look for the hyscience article now):

Hyscience on June 11th, 2005 10:58 am
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)

FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ….. ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a ’seller’ ?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-sat-june-11/

Natalee Holloway: Possibly A Fourth Suspect?
I am not publishing all the information being passed to me as some of it is clearly questionable. And while I am as yet unable to re-confirm and independantly source the following information, I can report with certainty that it came to me from a previously reliable source on the island with multiple significant contacts and the source has good reason to have spoken personally on several occasions with individuals at a high level of Aruban government in positions to know details of this seeming tragedy.

The word "might" should be emphasized.

A confession might include that there is a 4th person included in the case.

What is also unnclear to me is, if this proves true, does it mean that the reason Fox earlier reported the probable release of only one security guard is because one of the security guards is involved and represents an alleged fourth suspect, or if this means there is a fourth individual heretofore unknown who is involved in this case.

Sorry if I leave readers with more questions than absolute certainties, I am only trying to share information with readers as it comes to me while sifting out the clearly undocumentable, or information coming from a totally unknown source. I an not the NY Times and we are learning things together as they unfold in this sad affair.

It is how I choose to operate my blog and I understand it is open to question. But I am as honest and clear as to my sourcing as I can be under the circumstances.

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 04:01 AM in
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_15.html

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:fakCRWffTUsJ:www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/06/breaking_-_four.php+Breaking+-+Fourth+Suspect+Arrested+In+Natalee+Holloway+Disappearance&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

June 11, 2005
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)
Topics: Natalee Holloway

As was hesitatingly reported here previously, FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. In that post I brought up a question: Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ..... ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a 'seller' ? 

As I said then, probably just too much imagination on my part! But, after all this is a blog, so call it just blogging.


ORANJESTAD, Aruba

[...}
Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba (search) arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestadsearch), the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway (search), 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

Update(with thanks to Peter): There is supposed to be a press conference at the Holiday Inn. It was supposed to have started at 10:00 Am Arubian Time. But up to now not yet. I am still pending. You can check it yourself at Arubadag and click on any of the radio stations in the Menu at the upperright corner of the Website.

You will need RealPlayer to listen. (you may have to keep trying because the servers are presently all tied up)

Update via Scared Monkeys - *** PRESS CONFERENCE AT 4:00PM EDT ***

Hat tip - Dan at Riehl World View(for the original info in previous post on the possibility of a fourth suspect)via ArubaTag

Update: Another retraction, suspect that was arrested is not associated with Natalee's case!

I call BS ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8017/robnh0.png)

Snake Eyes.......

(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ligans/animals/yh_rep_051.jpg)

I once again hear the letters L-V-R ringing in my ears......... ::MonkeyTongue::

BB - I agree.  Lorenzo was mentioned early on.  Whether he's a half brother to Joran or not I don't know but I do believe he's likely involved, maybe as the supplier of drugs.

Still wondering about Lorenzo...I don't think he did anything but supply drugs to those that wanted it...he certainly has connections given he was given a private audience with a judge and for the most part let go of any responsiblity in his last drug arrest. I have to remind everyone of the fact that he was known to have raves and even Armin played at a Lorenzo's party...whether it was this one or another Lorenzo is anyone's guess. We all want to think the cover up was in place from day one...yet, there is no way the entire island could have been informed of the ensuing cover up and I tend to think several posters were hearing rumors that  Lorenzo COULD have been the supplier...that makes me wonder who and in what order these 4th, 5th, 6th persons were arrested.  I had pretty much decided that Lorenzo was not connected until I saw the picture of Armin playing at Lorenzo's rave...if it was the one and only LVR...then all bets are off.

I agree he was involved, and I agree LVR likely supplied the drugs. Did Joran and the K's bring Natalee to LVR's the night she was given the overdose prior to disposal? Was LVR the one Joran called the night Natalee was given the overdose and had the seizure? Why was his house searched (and I believe it was )if only due to having sold the drugs? Cripes all these questions.......I am starting to sound like Lalas . ::MonkeyWink::

Keep it up!  You may one day obtain Barfdoll status.  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

One thing to keep in mind...we have no way of knowing exactly what Joran and the Kalpoes actually said to Natalee...she may have thought she was being invited to a really cool party at a really cool guy's house on the island.  I know some will say there was no time to go to a party and then do all that needed to be done that night.  Let's see, we know what time they left CnC and the next time we know for certain that Joran's in one place was the 4 AM pick up at Mickey D's.  There is at least 3 hours there for a party and something bad to happen. So it's possible that she did go somewhere besides the lighthouse and the beach.  She could have been at the Sloots, an apartment, or another house. There is enough time if you disregard the so-called truth these perps have told. 

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/FDSFSFS.jpg)

Lala'sMom ... I believe if the "powers that be" could have looked three years into the future and realized that one determined mother by the name of Beth Holloway would be a force to be reckoned with ... Joran van der Sloot would have been the sacrificial lamb and ... at that point in time it would never have occurred to the outside world that Paulus van der Sloot was being protected.

Being a minor ... Joran's accountability would have been minimal and ... Natalee's family would have had a measure of closure ... even if Natalee's remains could not be returned to them.

However ... by the time that Aruba clued in ... in was too late.  The inconsistencies in the statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish ... implicated not only them but ... Paulus and the sons of the elite.  Also ... it also implicated those within the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware or involved in the coverup.

Janet
.

I KNEW that post would get to you!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Posted it just for you!!! I can send out a mass e-mail you know...don't have to use the forum to reach the Monkeys...but just had to let you know how the Aruba properties are sitting...VACANT... for all of July!!!

So glad you wrote customer service...means I got under your skin and you know how I LOVE to get under those double...err triple chins...errr skin!!!

Funny thing is I actually posted one of YOUR links where all the vacationers were complaining about the trash...and the over building....and the homeless problem!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Keep posting Rat!!! You can be your own worst enemy!!! hahahaha

roflmao!!!

LVR could be a supplier, but I believe the early reports.  I believe everyone knew and could find Joran because he was a dealer.  He kept money at his house (went to get cash...his book says $500), yet Paulus goes to the bank twice on Monday to deposit $100 ?? They might have even liked the idea of him being 17...might have liked it enough to give him a VIP pass....nothing would happen if he was caught.  The Senior Frog VIP party only showed older VIPs...wonder where the 17 yr olds were, in the photos.  Maybe they only appear for the tourists, but not the real parties.

I found this tidbit today and I wonder if it's true.  We had thought that ALE dove for the contents of the mystery cage, two days in a row.  OE had said that he watch the ship from the beach.  This is a different take on who the divers were.

________

There is a rumor that some guys from Texas Equisearch took some equipment down and located some bones. Jossy Mansur's brother took a dive team of 8 one day and 10 another day to search the area. No results announced yet

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-285886.html

Mum and Lala

I'm sure you know this, but there is an Eric Ras (signed the witness statement of Beth et al May 31) in the Grupo di Betico (the musical group headed by Rudy Croes).  They have a myspace site, in English...but I've lost it.  For now, here is this:

http://grupodibetico.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=24&category_id=2&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688

I have believed that either Lorenzo or Steve Croes supplied the drugs that was fatal to Natalee and whichever one did was forced to help Joran with the disposal. Could Daury be Lorenzo? I know Daury sounds like Pustus but if Joran and LVR were that close this could also be the case.

Thanks Buckeye...all info is appreciated.

That was posted by Luke Davis who posts at RU and HelpFindtheMissing.  I don't particularly care for some of the posts Luke Davis has made at RU.  Any information Luke Davis posts regarding the TES/Persistance search most likely came from Glenda and RU.

Why does everyone think Freddy was just the video guy.

Freddy = Video
Freddy = Rapist
Freddy = Drugs
Freddy = Mafia
Freddy = Fourth Suspect
Freddy = Untouchable

For those that read around....Medley is billybob at RU.  I knew I didn't like billbob and now I know why.

Pragmatist wrote (refering to post made by billybob):

I hope that dodo bird was meant for me! It is a dodo bird, right? Well, anyway, I hope so and I hope it was for me and not the cops.

I see by the link to the picture you have access to Medleyrelay's photobucket account! Now I understand your love of all things VDS!

How IS the family these days?

As for my theory being so flawed you couldn't even comment on it....I am going to assume now that I got too close for comfort! Wink   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep, that's why I posted this yesterday  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/authorpic40bb.jpg)

Freddy is right up there with LVR in my book.  I can't decide between the two. 

O/T  Monday evening mind fart...Destiny  ::MonkeyTongue::


I was walking past the

mental hospital the other day,

and all the patients

were shouting,

 

'13...13....13.'

 

The fence was too high to see over,

but I saw a little gap in

the planks, so I

looked through to see what

was going on.....


Some idiot poked me in

the eye with a stick!


Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/missing.teen/index.html

Aruba releases two security guards
Had been held in case of missing teen
Monday, June 13, 2005 Posted: 11:32 PM EDT (0332 GMT)

<snip>

On Sunday, law enforcement sources close to the investigation said a substance found in a Honda seized after three of the men were arrested Thursday is not blood, based on a sample analyzed at an FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

<snip>

Thanks Klass, I was pretty surprised when I read it.

Good question by Cancun Mole.  Do any of our Dutch posters have the answer??

CancunMole  PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:08 pm         

Have been searching (google) for information on whether or not the Netherlands and Thailand have an Extradition Treaty at this time. Seems that there were discussions in 2004 but can't find anything more recent.

http://www.nisnews.nl/dossiers/royal_house/200104_1333.htm

Does anyone know for sure whether there is or is not an Extradition Treaty between the Netherlands and Thailand? TIA.

If not, would seem like a good place to hang out if one thought that there may be some legal issues in the offing. JMO.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

buckeye, tell us more about medleyrelay/billybob and the photo and their connections to the vdsloot family. 
dennisintn

39/012 • International
 No Extradition Treaty with Thailand Seen during State Visit

BANGKOK, 20/01/04 - Queen Beatrix yesterday began a five-day state visit to Thailand. Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, who is accompanying her, will try to conclude an extradition treaty but he is not expected to succeed during the trip, say diplomatic sources.

The Queen arrived in Bangkok with Crown Prince Willem-Alexander yesterday after two days acclimatisation in Singapore. The visit marks 400 years of relations between Thailand and the Netherlands. Much attention is however focused on an extradition treaty allowing Dutch prisoners to serve part of their sentence in the Netherlands. A number of countries already have such a treaty.

Next Thursday, Bot will meet with his Thai counterpart to discuss the treaty, as well as bilateral relations and the upcoming Dutch presidency of the EU. Nobody should however expect the treaty to be concluded during the state visit. According to a spokesman for Bot, there are still too many specific legal details that have to be thoroughly discussed.

Fifteen Dutch nationals are in Thai prisons, most for drug-dealing. The best-known is Machiel Kuijt, sentenced to life imprisonment in an appeal case last November after being acquitted by a lower court. He has already been in jail for almost seven years. The treaty is intended to ensure that prisoners would serve a maximum of 8 years in Thailand before their extradition.

FBI playing second fiddle in Aruba

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Wednesday, June 15, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: Top sleuths from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Miami have been slithering through the grass on Aruba for the last 14 days but the role these highly-trained agents have been forced to play is that of “second fiddle" to the Aruban police, who have been struggling to crack the case of the missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance on May 30 has drawn the international media to this Dutch Caribbean island of just over 97,000 people.
Officials at Aruba's Foreign Affairs office told Caribbean Net News that the Miami-based FBI agents were invited to the island as observers only, and the Aruban police are the ones "calling the shots."
This has annoyed FBI brass in the US, prompting one senior FBI agent to wonder aloud: "Are they having an election down there or are they looking for a missing person? What's this ******* status stuff all about?"
According to Judy Orihuela, FBI spokesperson at the Miami office, the government of Aruba has only asked for minimal FBI help from the organisation.
FBI sources told Caribbean Net News that there is one agent from Barbados, along with six from Miami, who are on the ground in Aruba and will "help" when they are asked to.
Police in Aruba confirmed to Caribbean Net News that the FBI are here as observers and were part of a team that was allowed to watch from behind a glass when Aruban police interviewed five men held in connection with Holloway's disappearance.
Limited in technology, the Aruban police have also sought the help of the FBI in analysing a DNA sample that was removed from the rear seat of a vehicle belonging to one of the suspects. Caribbean Net News has learnt the DNA tests came back negative when tested for blood.
The slow pace of the investigation has angered many, forcing Holloway's mother to make public criticism of the slow pace.
The case has caused great embarrassment for the Aruba authorities. In one instance, the Deputy Commissioner told the media that there was a confession and that one of the accused was leading the police to the scene of Police. Minutes after, that line was changed and officials had no more to say about the “confession”, saying rather that they had reached a "critical" point in their in their investigations.
No one has made any further comment on what the Deputy Commissioner had said earlier.
However, Holloway's mother is of the view that the authorities could be seeking to protect the three young men who were last to see her daughter. The trio told police they had dropped off the 18-year-old at her hotel following a party session.
Police, when pressed, told Caribbean Net News that video tapes from surveillance cameras at the hotel show no evidence of this.
Meanwhile, FBI agents will stay in Aruba and continue to observe from behind the glass, until they called upon to run any further errands.

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Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan who started out at Scrux as a VDS defender/supporter.  She helped with the letter to Oprah and helped gather funds for Joran's defense fund.  She has NOW been to Aruba and met the VDS.  As far as I can tell she must be a very lonely person who has a need to feel important. 

Medleyrelay is also BillyBob at RU but it just recently became clear that Medley and BillyBob were one of the same.  Medley also used to post at RU under the name of Medleyrelay and one other name that escapes me right now  ::MonkeyWink::

I have a few in mind.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 1:44 PM EDT (1744 GMT)

.....  Janssen also said she has requested FBI dive teams to help search craggy areas of Aruba's coast.
An FBI spokesman in Miami, Florida, said earlier reports that bureau divers would join the search Monday were in error, as was a report that its agents assisted in Sunday's arrests.
Seven FBI agents from Miami are in Aruba, including two divers and evidence collection and analysis experts, and one agent has come from Barbados, the spokesman said.
...
......Authorities said they talked to the three men who left with her. The men said they took Holloway to Arashi Beach before leaving her at her hotel about 2 a.m., authorities said.....

CNN's Karl Penhaul contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/06/missing.teen/index.html

Medley also posted emails from Anita and to Anita....and was instumental in the fund raising for Joe Taco.  Most of this was done at FOB.

Buckeye ... where is Arashi Beach in relation to the Marriot Beach?

Thanks

Janet.

Arashi Beach is over by the lighthouse.

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/aruba/arashibeach/index.htm

She was at RWV and one of the most pathetic people I have ever seen on the blogs.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

------------------------
billybob wrote:
All I can say Lin if you read my original posts - they were only about the Monkeys! amd my complete disgust for them.
---------------------------
billybob  PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:39 pm         

Oh please ... Pat the monkeys are just beyond ridiculous and if you want to defend them -be my guest. Whatever word one wants to use ... they are loathsome and disgusting. actually there is nothing funny about them.

True - forgot about FOB and FOB2, not to mention BNH  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Something is very, very wrong when an American citizen disappears and our FBI is relegated to the status of observers looking through glass and playing second fiddle on a crappy little island the size of Aruba.  What is going on in our State Department that they have forsaken the rights of one of our own for likes of that motley crew that is running Aruba.

in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand.
came into force april 1st 2005.

precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand.

http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html

Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here.

Peter R. de Vries opposed this. in short:

because Kuijt had in The Netherlands a history of drug and criminal offenses often very violent with weapons.
he could have known he would be in trouble smuggling drugs through Thailand.
but Kuijt never admitted to the drugs crimes.

Peter R. argues that here in The Netherlands there are also drugs criminals serving long sentences with less evidence about that crime who also don't confess. but the Queen is not speaking out to get them released.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/column/Telegraaf%20Zondag%20column/textcolumnpetertelegraaf012.htm

Thank you Buckeye.

Joran, Deepak and Satish all declared in their May 31, 2005 statements that they drove to the lighthouse with Natalee but ... all three stories differ in regards to why they never got out.

No cross examination by interrogators from the getgo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

Joran van der Sloot
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

I drove at the request of the girl in the direction of the Lighthouse, because the girl wanted to see it. After we drove up along side the Lighthouse, I returned to the Sasakiweg (main road?). Joran told me that the girl had fallen asleep.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.

TY for the treaty update Caesu...looks like the Queen knows which side of the bread her butter is on...

Example

medleyrelay  PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:30 pm        

Bearman Thread!
I have been asked to start a thread about the Bearmans --I am doing this for Anita - so any of you VDS supporters try to help me with this please!!

Jodi Bearman was a chaperone. She has the travel agency and booked/planned the whole trip. She went with them as chaperone and flew back with the FAB 7 to Aruba asa she arrived back in the USA.

She had everything to gain by keeping Joran in the picture because she could have been blamed or sued by the family.

Many of the first rumors came out of her mouth.

.....

medleyrelay  PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:47 pm         

I love all of you -- this is great -- I could never post this at Scrux -- I would have to becareful what WORDS I used -- and what I plan to do here is give Anita this thread link so she can just stop in an see what is here -- hopefully you will all be nice and if you do not have anything to say about this - please dont say anything that would upset Anita -- thanks!!!! Laughing

...

31 pages later...a question:

medleyrelay  PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:30 pm         

Honey
Quote:

Why are y'all posting real life info about Dr. Bearman? He has nothing to do with this case. As far as I know, neither does the Bearman's daughter. If Anita has any idea that Medley requested this thread in her name, I'll eat my keyboard.


medleyrelay:

WEll start chewing Honey!!

I posted the thread yes, I am not responsible for what ends up here -- people should post in good taste -- I do not know what things Anita might be looking for -- I do not think personal info about the Dr. would however be one of them -- but I hope you enjoy your keyboard meal -- will it be the apetizer or the desert??

caesu

Thanks...maybe Joran is not strong in current events...

Well, there are Fishermen Huts at Arashi and Joran's statement of May 31 does have the addendum about going in the water....

AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results      
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank. 
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.
 Good news is that on May 29, 2008, Aruba received an 'A'long term and an 'A-2'short term rating.  Aruba's per capita GDP exceeded 25K in 2007 compared to 17K in 1997. 47% increase. The Tourism Sector has demonstrated flexibility and adaptability to external conditions
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 

Considering Joran, Deepak and Satish declare in their respective May 31, 2005 statements that they did not get out of the vehicle at the Lighthouse ... "Natalee wanted to go back to the hotel." ... "Natalee and Joran were kissing." ... "Natalee was asleep" ... I tend to believe the addendum to Joran's May 31, 2005 statement was referring to the Marriot Beach.  I could be wrong.

Janet.


Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:

On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.

I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)

Same article I posted a few days ago but in english. Confirmation that Valentijn will be headed to Emerson College in Boston.

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8361/val3nb9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Valentijn will be best served to keep a low profile while attending college in Boston.   ::MonkeyWink::

Someone here noted that Emerson has a campus in The Netherlands -- I bet THAT is where he will be heading.

Janet

DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM

“I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee”

Sander June 16:

Joran said that they drove in the direction the "Lighthouse" and that the girl in the neighborhood of Arashi fell asleep. Joran said they turned around at the “Lighthouse”

Not sure I think they were at the beach...but if they were, I think Arashi....more secluded and known for nightime beach parties...

Somebody will kill him, Paulus, IMHO.

I don't think he'll live to meet his roomie, dude.

You're all just as stupid as everyone thought you were... arrogant SOB too.

You got that right.

http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/

Nine kids in the graduating class and the top two are headed for the same college?  It sounds like ISA has a sweet deal with Emerson College.

I don't have a clue.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran changed his story later on to imply that they never drove to the Lighthouse but ... the Kalpoes maintain they did.  Other than Deepak's declaration which states he got out of the vehicle to relieve himself ... there is no indication that they ever got out of the vehicle.

EXCEPT!!!

The June 10, 2005 Confession that "Something bad happened" ...

Why was Natalee's family search for her at "the old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach"?

Janet

+++++++++

Aruba Case Appears Stalled
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml

This guy is off his flippin' nut.

Anybody here seen any airline companies adding flights lately? Did they miss the U.S. news reports that flight fares were going to double and triple in the coming months?  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

With the rates going up we are going to see that only those who have to fly will fly. Most will drive to the vacation destinations. This is actually good news for tourism in the U.S. as fewer people will be leaving the country for vacations.

Smith is just doing his Monty Python routine.

these are NOT my images

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NATCASE-5.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NATCASE-6.jpg)

++++++++++++++++

This IS MINE

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/OTHERPOND2.jpg)

My first impression from looking at these photos?  Looks like a good place for kids to go hang out, park and neck (and other things) if you need a place away from public view.... is capslockwizard suggesting that this may be the actual location of where Nat was taken to begin with?

Dayhiker,
don't thank Caps... thank me... he didn't share.. I did.

Oh, well an extra thanks to you Bruddah! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob Smith needs to call Baghdad Bob about a new career.

He's heading up Microsoft Vista Customer Service Support these days.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Is this the same Anky Bruin that is involved in the Luis Mansur case???   Nah…probably two!!!

anyone anyone Bueller?

Correct..Apparently at the Apartments connected to the Den/Vip was a good place to take prostitutes and others for sex. We heard rumors Freddy took his pictures there at the Lions Den and it's not far from that Pond.

I would imagine it would be a good place for a porn producer or pimps to take there victims. Nothing can probably be identified if on video and the victims/prostitutes have no idea where they are,probably no records of anything and tight security. The Apartments sound sleezy but from what we heard about the Den it sounds like the elders went there to do there dirty business. It makes you wonder why the need for all the security and motion detectors/Lasers beams?

They need to give him a wig, a summer dress, and stilettos. Teach that li'l mf to walk with a switch!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I gotz money on somebody cappin' him.

alright - since no one can connect one and one -

I'm going back to working on my - my space douchebags videos

good night

Hotshot and Reality discussing the Lions Den.

ROFL! G'night Rob.

Thanks Rob, you have really been on a roll lately.  I saw that avatar somewhere, not long ago when I was cruising MySpace or one of those sites.

Rob,

If u are still on...

Are you trying to say CapsLock has been

holding back some things... or lying to us?     ::MonkeyEek::

I know u... you are trying to say something w/out saying it.

Someone has been mighty busy making videos on youtube  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Nice job!  ::MonkeyWink::

*******!!! You always notice.

U R sharp.

 ::MonkeyWink::

Back to "Capslock's" pics -- did you also click on his "blog"??? Is this all "old hat" to you Shango'ers??


http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/default.aspx

Will someone give me a quick bio on Charles Croes??  Thank you

I wonder if that boy Gianni Ferrara who is mentioned as graduating is the Italian boy kidnapped from Aruba in 1998 and returned after his parents paid an undisclosed amount of ransom? Age seems about right....bet it is him.........used to have link to the article , can't find it now .

Good catch BB  ::MonkeyCool::

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
=====================
Also on the same Day that 38 people were arrested,Amy Bradley vanished when arriving in Curacao on a cruise ship.
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

SM Murder and Crime thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg39640

WOW! Where were the 38 arrested? Amy Bradley on 3-24-98 as well?? WOW!

Hi Wreck...thread 3...LOL!!!

[


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.
[/quote

just how would this numbnut have any idea exactly what was going on in the backseat of a darkened car on a dark road unless he was turned around in the seat watching.  he lies through his teeth, and i'll leave the rest of what i'm thinking off about that.
dennisintn

Klass, is Charles Croes good or bad?  What is he doing now?

[qu
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 


[/quote]


Is this the same Anky Bruin that is involved in the Luis Mansur case???   Nah…probably two!!!
[/quote]

of course, and they don't know each other either.
dennisintn   (said by me with just a small hint of sarcasm)

Not to answer for Klaas, but I think most here lean to the "bad" side. He really sealed his reputation with me when he was quoted in the "Vanity Fair" article as saying Natalee 'wasn't worth the fuss'!!

Always1 - I can't really answer your question.  My guess is Charles Croes is typical of a small island mindset and is protective of his livelyhood.  As far as I know he's still in Aruba and still has his ArubaFastPhones business.

Edited to add:  I am not a fan of Charles Croes  ::MonkeyWink::

38 people is a lot!  ::MonkeyEek::

It appears that a lot happened with the Mobs in 1998. Smid was running the big money laundering investigation at the Excelsior and a few months later Posner took it over from the Cuntrera-Caruana clan..It wouldn't suprise me at all if the if the ferreras were caught up in all of this. I am convinced these Italian Mobsters and those associated with Posner are still major heavyweights on that island. Why was the boy kidnapped and all of those people arrested?

I bet if Jossy wanted to...He could tell us who is really at work behind the scenes and who really owns that island..And since the Lions Den was brought up..I am sure he could tell us all about that place and the sex partys.

Is this the same Anky Bruin that is involved in the Luis Mansur case???   Nah…probably two!!!
[/quote]

of course, and they don't know each other either.
dennisintn   (said by me with just a small hint of sarcasm)
[/quote]

LOL...of course there are two or of course it is the one involved in the LEM trial?

Thanks so much for both of your answers!  Nite!

I watched the place from the window of Lekker Bar one night looking for activity……. zip, zero, nada, nothing.  didn't look too hard did you?

No security lights, no flashing laser beams, no hot little Latin lady’s waiting to take care of Papi for a small price, Couldn't be more wrong about that. no drugged out blonds, no free X tablets, no beer, no music, absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!!

olor] [/quote]
[/quote]

no beer? no music?, absolutely nothing?  in a bar?  i think he must have been sitting in someone's garage by himself.
dennisintn
dennisintn

always 1

Within 30 minutes of Beth and Jug’s 11:00 PM arrival on the Island … Eric Williams contacts Charles Croes in regards to a cell phone message … a message Beth believes may be Natalee’s voice.

Within two hours of Beth and Jug's arrival on the island there is a 1:30 AM meeting with Charles Croes at a gas station.

However ... in LOVING NATALEE Beth fails to mention the phone message as the reason for the meeting.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++

CHARLES CROES ... THE CELL MESSAGE
 
Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta
June 30, 2005
 
CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

<snipped>

C. CROES: ,,, And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

++++++++++

Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006

15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM

There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173

++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 42 - Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information.  They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

always 1

CHARLES CROES - MAY 31, 2005: 1:30 AM - 6:00 AM

Beth Holloway
Loving Natalee

Page 41-53

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Visit Aruba
June 2, 2005

There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.

I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength

charles
arubafastphones.com

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418

++++++++

One year later ....

Charles Croes
Vanity Fair Article
June 2, 2006

"They're killing Aruba," says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. "That girl, Natalee, I wish she'd stayed home. I hope she's found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?"

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true

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Tamikosmom:
Thanks, Tamikosmom! That sealed it for me!!

You are welcome Wreck.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
9:55 PM

Rob - Justin?

I don't know how I ended up with these multiple posts.  ::MonkeyConfused::

IIRC the boy was moved around NUMEROUS times
and many of those arrested were LE

had a lot re the case saved at one time ...
can't locate any of it now

this is all I could find tonight
and to read further requires submitting credit card
to enroll in "free trial":

Feb 16, 1998
An eight-year-old Italian boy was kidnapped on the Caribbean island of Aruba after armed men tied up his well-to-do family and injected them with sedatives, the boy's mother said. Gianni Giuliano Ferrara was taken from his family's home 10 days ago and has not been heard from since, Filomena Ferrera ...

From Kidnap boy, 8, drugged. - Birmingham Evening Mail ($$)

May 25, 1998
Perhaps the most frightening recent development was the kidnapping of the young son of a prominent family on the Dutch island of Aruba. The boy was released in Venezuela after a multimillion-dollar ransom payment, law enforcement sources said. Officials say they believe the motive behind the ...

From ISLAND DRUG ACTIVITY WORRIES ENFORCERS - Miami Herald ($$)

http://tinyurl.com/4etloo

(created tinyurl from huge google search link)

reminded me of these golden oldies  :wink:

igsigs Says: April 15th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Glenda says she does not know who it is…but the arrest is not related to J2K.

God, she will be humping Joran’s leg all the way to KIA.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

from Deetch/undated:
Breaking News: van der Sloot to go to court to stop the search using cadaver dogs.

It seems they keep escaping and ending up in front of the van der Sloot property barking wildly.

The last time the dogs were returned to the dunes they seemed to pick up a stray.

Dog trainers have apologized to Julia Renfro for the confusion.

I'm gone for 24-36 hours, come back to check for news and as my eyes quickly scan the post that pops up what I get is:

barely human......filthy creature......Glenda humping Joran on the way to KIA. 

I have to stop coming here in the wee hours.  My tummy is churning ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5082005,00.html

Forth man arrested identified
4th Man Detained in Aruba Disappearance

Friday June 17, 2005 8:46 PM
AP Photo NYET250
By PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A party boat disc jockey was detained Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities and his employer said.

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes was the fourth person detained in the May 30 disappearance of Holloway, 18. Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

Croes was a DJ on the Tattoo, which offers nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.

``I've never had problems with him,'' Wiggins told the AP. ``He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job.''

Wiggins also said he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat.

<snip>
**************************************************
I tend to believe that the suspect arrested on 6/11/05 was not related to this case.  Why?  Because that person was arrested during an early moring raid by the police.  So far anyone related to this case that has anything to do with it, relative to the three last seen with her, are contacted by police and then mosey on down to the station at their convenience.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  For the first time, Aruban authorities on Friday detailed their suspicions in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search), saying they believe the Alabama teen was murdered.

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

<snip>

Joran's story is coming under even more scrutiny now that his mother, Anita, has acknowledged that Joran has changed his story about the night of Natalee's disappearance. In an interview with The Associated Press on Thursday, his mother said Joran now admits to being alone with Holloway on a beach but that he still denies hurting Holloway.

<snip>

Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee Holloway's mother, has insisted that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know what happened to her daughter and that police should press them harder to tell the truth. She has asked why the three were initially released after only a couple of hours of questioning, and arrested more than a week later.

Anita van der Sloot also questioned that tactic. She told FOX News: "Joran should have been interrogated from the beginning. But they let the kids go."

Separately Friday, a source familiar with the investigation told FOX the FBI only has three agents in Aruba working on the case, down from seven. The source, who requested anonymity, said the team has been reduced because there is not much to investigate now that arrests have been made.
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You must be kidding, there is not much to investigate?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anita saying the kids should have been interrogated earlier?   First she says Sporter didn't lie (after having him in therapy for being a liar), then she says they should have been questioned earlier, but they let the kids go.  Sounds like when they arrested her husband, she was starting to throw Sporter under the bus.  I wonder what happened to make her stop?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi San.

 :smt006

 AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results     
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank.
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.

 Good news is that on May 29, 2008, Aruba received an 'A'long term and an 'A-2'short term rating.  Aruba's per capita GDP exceeded 25K in 2007 compared to 17K in 1997. 47% increase. The Tourism Sector has demonstrated flexibility and adaptability to external conditions[/b]

So...Natalee is now referred to as an *external condition?*....more so, Urine is an external condition...he can't stop flappin' that fat face of his...it's only a matter of time folks....

Destiny

Know what I think SS...when you are born and raised in a culture...one that is based on total acceptence of lies as truth...and you need someone to back up your lies, to make them truth....when/if you leave that culture, you MUST have someone with you, who is there to back up your skewed reality...or you will just go nuts.....the buddy system....betcha a lot of kids from Aruba...the *sporter* ones...all go to the same colleges...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161179,00.html

Aruba Official: Body Not Needed to Prosecute
Thursday, June 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruba's attorney general said Thursday she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search) even if the Alabama teenager's body is not found.

<snip>

Janssen said the elder van der Sloot gave his son and the Kalpoe brothers legal advice, telling them that "without a body there is no case."

"He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared," Janssen told the AP.

Janssen also alleged Paul van der Sloot, a 52-year-old judge in training in Aruba, obstructed authorities' investigation by asking one of his son's friends, who had been interrogated, what he told police.

But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation.

<snip>
*******************************
Well then wth are you waiting for?  Go get them.

roflmao!!!
First post I read this morning...what a great way to start the day!!!

mho...BAD< BAD< BAD!!!!!
He knows exactly what was said the first night that Beth and Jug arrived including paulus stating the 4am pickup of joran...why not tell what REALLY happened!!

Plus he has some serious delusions about his ability to write poetry. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Posted at RU this morning by Heli. Hope it is true!!! Would be HUGE publicity for the case!!!

oops...older post from Feb that is being revisited ::MonkeyTongue::

somehow I missed this one..lol...but any confirmation? The New York Post...that would be huge!!!

When is a witness not a witness?  In Aruba when they can be retroactively made a suspect to cover their lies.

When is a suspect not a suspect?  In Aruba when they are charged in secret with being a suspect so they don't upset the family, but have not charged in public with being a suspect yet.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Confused?  If not, congratulations, you have just graduated from being a judge-in-training, Aruba style.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,161375,00.html

<snip>

"The three have been charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway (search) from the beginning" of their arrest 10 days after the young woman went missing May 30, she said in a recorded interview. "At the time, we didn't want to upset the family talking about murder while they searched."

The attorney general and other Aruban officials have said for weeks that no one has been charged in the 18-year-old's disappearance. Janssen said authorities also withheld information about the charges in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

The government spokesman, Ruben Trapenberg, contacted the AP following the English-language interview with Janssen.

"This is a question of semantics. It's been a problem since day one," Trapenberg said. "The charging is a formal process that happens later on. It could happen as soon as Monday."

Return calls to Janssen were not immediately returned.

<snip>

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

via Google

Aruban Minister tells half the truth about the drugsmaffia

"The Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba, Croes drew a rosy picture of the efforts of Aruba against drug trafficking and laundering of criminal funds, says Tom Blickman. He writes a book about the Cuntrera mafia family. According to him there is talk of drug trafficking on the island and maintaining contacts with criminals Aruban politicians. "


-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

The Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba, Croes, complains that Aruba was wrong in a bad light states, as would the island "a slowly deprivation Caribbean society dominated by mafia families, suspected laundered money flows, drugstransporten and secret bank accounts."

Obsolete gossip, achterklap and untruths, according Croes. His anger was generated by a previously published article in Het Parool, 'like the U.S. drugsmaffia away from Aruba, a report by the years of attempts by the United States four Aruban businessmen extradited to obtain. They are accused of involvement with Mafia families, suspected laundered money flows, drugstransporten and secret bank accounts. In his response ignores the Minister these charges.

Croes draws up a very rosy picture of the efforts of Aruba against drug trafficking and money laundering. It would take too long at each jubelkreet an observation post, but let there a couple under the microscope. First, the allegation that the Americans are so positive about the progress of Aruba in the fight against money laundering would be.

Questionable

Croes however forget that President Clinton Aruba had put on the list of countries that pose a threat to the U.S. because of their large role in the drug trade. The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report published by the U.S. State Department noted that there was "questionable relationships between Aruban government officials and known drug traffickers and money launderers."

Then the question of providing hand-along members of the Aruban government to the Colombian mafia family Cuntrera. Croes Het Parool accuses of providing false information. Partly, he is right: the Cuntrera's not come from Colombia, but of pure Sicilian Mafia-manufacture. But that's not true Croes is about evil.

What about now, actually with the services of Henny Eman Premier and Minister of Justice Watty Vos with Cuntrera? It concerns the signature of Premier Eman under the settlement of the nightclub 'Visage' of the Cuntrera's January 28, 1987. Eman claims that he did not knew who the Cuntrera's. Moreover, the previous government of his political opponent Nelson Oduber have prepared the licence so that he, Eman, they could not refuse.

This latest addition is already suspected that something was the first allegation is not true. First, it is important to know who and what the family Cuntrera. They are known as "the Rothschilds of the Mafia, because of their central role in the laundering of drugs.  An Italian newspaper reported that the Cuntrera family 60 percent of Aruba's alleged possession. "The first state that has been bought by the bosses of Cosa Nostra", the headline in the newspaper. They would have invested millions of dollars in hotels, casinos and the election of a prime minister.

Minister Croes claims that "no affiliate police intelligence 'the indication was that they were involved in drug trafficking and money laundering. That is untrue. Since 1983 were by the Italian police arrest warrants issued against the Cuntrera-clan. But perhaps the Italian police was not "geaffillieerd."

In Venezuela was  a  scandal  about the infiltration of the Italian mafia in the national economy, where the Cuntrera's in the newspapers were unmasked. Maybe even the Venezuelans were not allies and are read in Aruba not the Venezuelan newspapers, although at one hour flight from the capital Caracas, and many business contacts. On Aruba itself? Even though we knew for the provision of the settlement where the Cuntrera's doing. Thanks, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who in Aruba the track followed by the drugskoerier Sabatino Nicolucci. This often traveled to Aruba, where he stayed in the Holliday Inn.

During the survey asked Canadian agents, along with the head of the Aruban police, the telephone at the hotel. Major confusion: Nicolucci was not registered. The room was reserved and paid for by Pas quale Cuntrera. Nicolucci was in 1985 sentenced to 14 years for cocaine trafficking as a result of this investigation.

Aruba was a link in the smuggling activities of the Cuntrera's. Despite the Cuntrera's got a settlement, even if it was known to the Aruban police. The course of events surrounding the granting of the licence would suggest that we knew that it was not fluff.

Why refused the Minister of Economic Affairs from the first cabinet-Eman, Leonard Berlinski, the establishment in the first instance?

Berlinski went off on the advice of his officials: establishment of the Cuntrera's was not desirable "because the general interest of Aruba so progresses." Shortly after the permits were rejected, Berlinski had to resign amid rumours of bribes during the sale of the hotel where acquaintances of the Cuntrera casino collapsed. Berlinski is acquitted of corruption.

After the resignation of Berlinski was again a request for eeen establishment, by notary Maria Albertina Eman, the sister of Prime Minister Henny Eman. Despite the negative again opinions of the officials of Economic Affairs, drew Eman as ad interim minister. This is the state of affairs surrounding the granting of permits to the Cuntrera's. A affair "in odore di mafla ', as the Italians call: with a mafia-air.

The Plenipotentiary Minister gives only a laundered version of the story, which plays the hero Eman. Only in 1988 after Business Week in an extensive article the heroin shipments and the laundering of the Cuntrera-clan in Canada unveiled, the Cuntrera's in Aruba by Eman to persona non grata technology. Moreover, only after they themselves had left voluntarily. Not for long indeed: at least until 1992, they were still regularly on the island.

Croes find it annoying that Aruba is always confronted with this kind of 'oudbakken archiefjournalistiek. " There is another interesting piece oudbakken on the issue: a motion of the States of Aruba on October 14, 1992 was adopted. It says that there's secret ties between the Aruban People's Party (the Party of Eman) and the Cuntrera family. "

Ex-Minister of Justice Edgar J. Vos and ex-Prime Minister J.H.A. Eman, the family 'preferential treatment', says the motion. The Assembly invited the two gentlemen 'to leave the political arena. " It also called for "a thorough investigation by a parliamentary inquiry 'to' the benefits (Eman and Fox) have gained because of the preferential treatment." Eman and Vos gave their seats and not of a parliamentary inquiry was never heard anything more. Eman was again prime minister of Aruba and Vos Minister of Justice. Both are now demissionair.

Credit

Their party, which soon turn the elections must be sponsored by the zakenfamilie Mansur. The U.S. now asks for extradition of two members of the family because of money laundering. The Mansur's also maintaining close ties with the family Cuntrera.

In 1988, the Interbank of the Mansur a loan of 1.8 million Aruban guilders to the Cuntrera's. That was before the family in Aruba were unmasked. For the bank no reason for the break in relations. An account of the family at the Interbank was used - well after the drugs and money laundering had become known - for payment of a drugstransactie as shown by information from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the American antinarcotica service.

Oudbakken these facts at all. All key players are still active, including the Cuntrera family. One of the maflosi from the clan holds the European record cocaine seizures: 5 tons of cocaine in a container shoes in Turin in 1994.

So there are facts to indicate which suggest that in Aruba in the hand is more than the rosy picture what Mr Croes sketches. Unless he points of his own parliament as "achterklap and untruths' views.

"No more suspicions and rumors, but facts serve the image of Aruba to determine", writes Croes. Indeed. It would be the Minister Plenipotentiary adorn themselves no half-truths to preach, but to his well-known facts.

You have to love the google translator.  From above:

Croes is about evil.

Berlinski went off on the advice of his officials: establishment of the Cuntrera's was not desirable "because the general interest of Aruba so progresses." Shortly after the permits were rejected, Berlinski had to resign amid rumours of bribes during the sale of the hotel where acquaintances of the Cuntrera casino collapsed. Berlinski is acquitted of corruption.
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The Sicilian/Colombian Mob became to well known,so Croes issued the Permits and granted ownership of the Hotels and Casino's to someone not as well known,the Italian Mob out of chicago led by front man Michael Posner. Who is also most likely related to this same Cartel out of Italy. As a matter of fact they are all linked to this cartel...The MEP,AVP,Mansurs et all... Not a suprise when they are rumored to own half the island. They never left there investments,they have been running everything behind plain view and under protection of the Aruban Govt. I think the connection with Tacopina and Italy is obvious.

Aruba Suspects Could Be Charged Monday
Friday , July 01, 2005

(reference for above)

Good morning Monkeys
So does this mean that Medley=Jan Brennan=renskank's sister or Mama?Because that image of Jan looks an awful lot like renskank.....give renskank about 5 more years of baking in the hot aruban sun,plop a cowboy hat on her frizzy head and this could be a image of renskank.
::::gagging on coffee::::

::MonkeyLaugh::

 Reality is in the UK, this deliberate misinformation ,I believe would come from MIP6 or someone from Aruba IMO

Great before and after pics of the pond,thank you!

Morning Klaas!!

How did I miss the article in Feb about Patrick's book? I mean I knew it was coming out about September...but didn't realize they were going to be doing such a big promo in the US...nor run a chapter in the New York Post.

Any confirmations or is it all speculation. It could really help in bringing Natalee's case to the forefront again.

Janet, thank you for the information about Charles Croes.  Where I was going with that was I read somewhere "Charles Croes, owner of Digicel and Aruba Fast Phones Cellphone Company.  The Digicel Tower was where the shoes were found.

That is the information that was available in February.  I think Patrick's website says the book will be out in September in the US now.  Guess we will have to wait and see.

I believe Digicel is the service provider Charles Croes offers at Aruba Fast Phones (Charles doesn't own Digicel).  I'm sure there are many Digicel towers on Aruba. 

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

as said before:

S-America isn't going to bring simular amounts of money in.
and due to high fuel prices and eco-taxes Europeans are not coming all the way to Aruba.

so with the combination of recession in the USA and high fuel prices / European eco-taxes, Aruba is doomed.

not related, but to show how determined Peter R. de Vries is:

the guy in my signature - chased by Peter R. de Vries, today got a 12 years prison sentence for killing his wife in 1996.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/dossiers/gondasmit/dossier.htm

OMG....roflmao!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::

So Steve Croes got a request from ale to come down and make a statement?Was this his first statement and if so....how did the ale know Steve had anything to state?

An interview with Beth 10/07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mUXQSSJZo

Bearlyhere ... the security guards ... who were implicated by Joran, Deepak and Satish ... were not afforded the same courtesy as the subsequent suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case.

Double standard?

Janet

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Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005

Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

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Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

Klass, per Kermit Natalee Case Discussion 706-12/20 reply 783 December 21 2007 - "Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss"

Absolutely a double standard.

Let me look at Kermit's reply.  Charles Croes does not own Digicel to my knowledge.  He did own a Hugo Boss store at one time.

Beth 2005

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h91UYgOVROQ&mode=related&search=

 I'm still going to disagree with Kermit on this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.msg320300#msg320300

Charles Croes owns Aruba Fast Phones:

http://arubafastphones.com/index.html

From the Aruba Chamber regarding Digicel:

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 23 FEBRUARY 2001 under serial number 27288.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
DIGICEL COMMUNICATIONS 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 60, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  NEW MILLENNIUM TELECOM SERVICES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 FEBRUARY 2001 
Last amendment in the articles  28 DECEMBER 2004 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 4,000,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 954,200.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 954,200.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
WINKLAAR, MICHELLE JANICE; 
Residing in  WAYACA 255, ( RESIDENCE), ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  CANADA, TORONTO on 20 SEPTEMBER 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  3 FEBRUARY 2005 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
O'BRIEN, DENNIS JOHN; 
Residing in  NO. 10 PARQUE ATLANTICO, R, RUA ATLANTICO QUINTA DO LAGO 8135 , ALMACIL ALGARVE, PORTUGAL 
Born in  IRELAND, DUBLIN on 19 APRIL 1958 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
BUCKLEY, LESLIE FRANCIS; 
Residing in  8 ROCKLANDS, HARBOUR RD , DALKEY, CO. DUBLIN, IRELAND 
Born in  IRELAND, CORK on 18 OCTOBER 1944 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
GAFFNEY, LUCY COLUMBA; 
Residing in  21 ALMA ROAD, MONKSTOWN , CO DUBLIN, IRELAND 
Born in  IRELAND, DUBLIN on 10 FEBRUARY 1960 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
POSNER, ISRAEL; 
Residing in  VONDELLAAN 7, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 18 OCTOBER 1930 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  18 APRIL 2005 
   
LUTE, JOHANNES CATHARINA; 
Residing in  LA QUINTA VILLAS K-112, SANTA CATHARINA, CURACAO, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, ALKMAAR on 23 MARCH 1965 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 SEPTEMBER 2005 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CHATTEN, OLIVER WALTER; 
Residing in  CAYA DI CAMPEONAN 1, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  IRELAND, MEATH on 14 JULY 1971 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  26 OCTOBER 2007 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. TO OPERATE (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE) A TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
2. TO INSTALL, HAVE IN POSSESSION AND MAINTAIN EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE
NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE)
TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
3. TO GIVE FOR A FEE CONNECTION TO SUBSCRIBER AND/OR THROUGH THE
AUTHORIZED THIRD PARTIES TO (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE)
TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
4. TO IMPORT, BUY AND SELL PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT.
5. THE FULL OR PARTIAL ACCUMULATION OF PENSION PROVISIONS IN BEHALF OF
EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY , PAST EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SURVIVING RELATIONS.
6. TO ACT AS FINANCECOMPANY AND AS INTERMEDIARY IN EFFECTING FINANCING OF
TRANSACTIONS.
7. THE CORPORATION CAN PERFORM UNDER 6 THESE ACTIVITIES IN THE FRAMEWORK OF ITS NORMAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS - NOT WITH IMPORTANCE ACTS AS FINANCE COMPANY - IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CANNOT BE DEEMED AS A CREDIT INSTITUTION AS MEANT IN THE STATE ORDINANCE SUPERVISION BANKING AND CREDIT SYSTEM. FURTHERMORE, ITS IS EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED FROM ATTRACTING MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC AND/OR TO LEND OUT MONEY TO THE PUBLIC;

 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 

Ok, I am going to keep digging, thank you for your response!!

Karma

Deepak Kalpoe declared in his suspect statement of June 9, 2005 ... that Steve Croes had witness Natalee being returned to the Holiday Inn at 2:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Obviously ... Steve Croes was involved to some capacity in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet
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Fourth Person Held in Aruba Mystery
Friday, June 17, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities in Aruba on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway (search), officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot (search ), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

<snipped>

Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told the AP Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

I have to inform you that I was contacted a few days ago by a boy named Steve. Steve said to me that he saw us on May 30th 2005 when we dropped the girl off in the nightly hours. Steve's phone number is REMOVED.

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Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
June 10, 2005

You are telling me that I made a statement about a Steve yesterday and now you are asking me who Steve is. Steve is a customer who comes to my place of work to internet.

To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

To your question as to where Steve was to have been able to see to see all of this, I can state the following. I didn't ask him where he was in order to have seen all of this. He also told me that he had not been into work that day. He instead had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was in two minds about going to the police because he feared loosing his job.

To your question as to how I got hold of his mobile phone number, I can state the following. I had asked him for his number and had told him that I would give it to the police if I would get into trouble so that they could call him.

To your question as to how it is possible that I state that Steve was not sure whether he should go to the police or not because he was afraid to loose his job, but that on the night in question, he did go to a public place like "Carlos & Charlies" and on top of that gave me his phone number so that he now can be sent for to testify, I can state the following. You should ask him.

To your question whether Steve knows Joran, I can state the following. Steve does not know Joran.

To your question whether Steve knows my brother, I can state the following.

To your question whether I have spoken to my brother about Steve, I can state the following. I have spoken to everybody about Steve, with my mother, Satish, Joran and Joran's parents.

To your question whether I gave all of them Steve's mobile phone number, I can state the following. No, I kept the number to myself.

This shot here shows Paulus' whole face.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

What is that hanging out of his left sleeve--a tie, a belt?

Thanks Bearlyhere.

Beth knows the truth.  In all probability ... after images of Paulus appeared in the media ... the Mountain Brook students confirmed that Paulus was at the black jack table with them on the evening of May 29, 2005.

Think about it ... Beth's words to Rita Cosby regarding a Paulus/Natalee encounter occurred six months prior to the casino video recording revealing Natalee at the Black Jack table conversing with an "older" man.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.

You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet

I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
1st one is perfect for Janet:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)

This one for anyone :)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)

Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.

Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
:)

After the first 10 days, Jaansen, et al had ALREADY lied so much themselves that they could not send Joran away for a few years without sending THEMSELVES away for even longer!!

True Wreck but I think Beth and Dave would have settled for justice for Natalee and having Natalee's body to take home IF this was all settled by june 10th 2005.They might have overlooked those dumb asses within ale and government and justice department at the time especially when you compare it to how it seems to be going NOW.
:(

Karma ... thank you for sharing.

Hey ... did you notice the image of Ducky and Tamikosmom on the avatar that Klaas gave me shortly after I took up residence in the cage.  Do you not think that we both look absolutely adorable?

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet

That is what I remember.
Alex Mathews had won the bid on the Digicel rights and they set him up
because you cannot have a contract with a criminal record.

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!

Magnolia, I also saw that Charles Croes was really "Gayn Betico Croes" do you know that to be true?

I just fouind the post you may be referring to at crimelibrary and the way it reads, I believe the poster was referring to the main street where CC's Hugo Boss boutique was, not CC.

More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
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Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe

lol....I did notice,that's why I suggested the above image would be perfect for you.Yes,you are both adorable.
 :smt057

    :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Unless your name is Posner.    ::MonkeyWink::

Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother.  Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 




Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::

Hmmm...that'a a lot of money.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

paulus needed to confer with jvds by phone to further coordinate closing up holes in their lies. 
dennisintn

Sorry, that amount should be $40,716.00.  This does not include books, athletic fees, meal plans, or computer rental.  The amount will probably be several thousand dollars more for the first year.  Where does Paulass get this money?  Never mind.....

Are we sure it's Emerson College -- or are we mistaking him working for "Emerson" the ultra low-end discount electronics maker for Wal-Mart?? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Funny how that article about that didn't come out until September 2005 ::MonkeyWink::

Does anyone know where Alex Mathew is now?

I for the life of me can't understand why he would have been back in Aruba in May of 2005...not with the enemies he had made.

No he won't...the POWERS THAT BE will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I will assume Val will not be lonely.  Logic dictates that there would be sons and daughters of taxi drivers also enrolled at Emerson if it is the College of choice in Aruban circles.

Janet

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Julie Renfro, Editor of Aruba Today, on Fox’s O’Reilly Factor
June 15, 2005

Hi Rick,

I just spoke to Fox and all I was reassured that O’Reilly ‘retracted’ (the actual word went over my head) all of the statements made by Geraldo.

I was on with O’Reilly last night when he suggested that our Prime Minister was an idiot, but do you really think that the President of the United States gets involved in Police Cases? NO! Actually it would be illegal for a politician to get involved or be abreast of any details of Police investigation - same as in the US. Duh, I honestly don’t think O’Reilly is an idiot - he is obviously acting like one to get ratings.

Once again, I don’t know what happened to Natalee, and I’m not sure that anyone does! If van der Sloot or the others had any involvement in her death or disappearance they will be punished and justice will be served.

There is in no way what so ever that Arubans think that there is a cover up or that v/d Sloot’s father has any pull. It is to the contrary!

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Originally posted at SM
I spoke with a member of the Police Force of Aruba regaridng the Vanity Fair article. And this is their reaction:

At the early stage of the investigation a lot of aruban citizen was trying to help to Twittie's for instance Mr. Charles Croes who was the one that also spoke with Joran. Charles Croes was intervieuwed by the Vanity Fair where he answer a lot of questions and also did a very interesting statement of his conversation with Joran. Guess what guys...Charles was called in by the local police and question as a witness. You know what most of his answers was??? Ï can't recall, I can't remember and the most interesing one was Ï didn't say that....So whoever that could have read that interesting intervieuw of Charles Croes just waste their time. Charles Croes was arrested last year for threathening his wife and also Charles Croes was fired from a huge Developing Company for misuse of alcohol. His first wife didn't had the most pleasant time during the divorce process and authorities firmly believe that Charles Croes is not else then a moocher! So, more then half of the story in Vanity Fair does not enjoy a credibilty. Charles Croes assisted Beth and Jug in providing cellulars at a reasonable rental price to the full crew of Beth and Jug. Charles Croes runs the Digicel cellular rentals at the airport. case closed for Charles Croes. He is awaiting trial for his last incident.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1911&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=160


Kermit information:

Lincoln Gomez

Lincoln is a managing-parter of Gomez and Bikker Law Offices in Aruba and co-founder of Digicel Aruba, aGSM mobile telephony provider in Aruba. He has also turned his attention to the financially markets and is co-founder ofthe Aruba Electronic Stock Exchange. He joined Tutix XP in Q1 of 2004. Prior to joining private practice he was a legal adviser andaid to the Government of Aruba. In addition to his professional and commercial activities he is involved in a number of community related projects.He is a graduate of Saint Leo College and the Universiteit van Aruba.
http://www.gobiklaw.com/useful_links.html




Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS man on the island wanted the honors of being in last place,
but was only able to secure second to last.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html#story13

She is also interpreting sketches originated by Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS boutique owner.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html

IamTito
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: aruba
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
CHARLES Croes has a phone rental company.

Charles Croes, owner of Digicel & Aruba Fast Phones, cellphone company,

Contact Charles Croes at 730-0001



VANITY FAIR INTERVIEW

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true
January 2, 2006

"They're killing Aruba," says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. "That girl, Natalee, I wish she'd stayed home. I hope she's found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?"





Charles Croes Company:

FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE

Business address SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE
Date of commencement 16 DECEMBER 2003

OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, CHARLES AUGUST;
Residing in SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in U.S.A., NEW YORK on 15 SEPTEMBER 1945
Nationality AMERICAN
Position OWNER
Effective 16 DECEMBER 2003
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET VERHUREN VAN MOBIELE TELEFOONTOESTELLEN.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=3433.45


Digicel Aruba offers roaming service on the GSM network. Contact your service provider to ensure Digicel is one of their roaming partners. You can rent cellular phones through Charles Croes at 730-0001.
http://www.caribbean.com/jsp/aruba-gi.jsp?currentDestination=8



If you want to, give me a call at:
011-297-7300001

Charles Croes
arubafastphones.com


Charles
arubafastphones.com
I wish all of us strength
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418


charles
arubafastphones.com


CROES, CHARLES AUGUST;
Residing in SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in U.S.A., NEW YORK on 15 SEPTEMBER 1945
Nationality AMERICAN

Charles Croes would be 60 years old now.



12-13-2005, 01:04 AM
rstj [/b]
Member   Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,404
 
A curious posting from Charles Croes
 
This is a post and response from prior to the Natalee Holloway case. Croes seems to specialize in finding people on Aruba. He seems to be well known and well liked, and very definitely the guy you might go to if you were trying to track someone down. Especially if they'd made a call on a cellphone he rented. He also has another company, Digicel, which allows your GSM phone to connect to a local network. So theoretically, Natalee could have used her own phone.

Croes eventually fell out w/the Twittys, possibly because they were bashing Aruba. For whatever reason, he still hasn't said when the call was made, from what number to what number, and what can be heard on the call.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1118


Kermit ponders: Kind of odd that Satish mentions Digicel:
My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel.(Satish statement June 10, 2005)



WHERE IS SANDER'S PHONE... YOU KNOW THE ONE HE LOST?
So, Charles, what was it? She did OR she didn't??  Will the Dutch team get this information from you OR has that evidence been destroyed, also?

My guess he took so long in verifying that info because he had signed two NDA's... and if it wasn't his company Digicell... that only leaves SETAR.. and yes Sander's phone was a SETAR phone.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3433.255
________________________________________

December 8, 2007
“Prosecutor Hans Mos said, “It's very hard to try a case without a body.” “It's not impossible, but you need substantial evidence that somebody was killed.”

David Vigliano
David Vigliano Literary Agency
654 Madison Ave.
Suite 809
New York, NY 10021
(Literary, Not accepting manuscripts)



http://www.viglianoassociates.com/




  Literary Agents Who Represent Christian Authors
http://www.michaelhyatt.com/fromwhereisit/2007/11/literary-agents.html


Were it not for the exploits of literary agent to the tabloid stars David Vigliano,
we’d have no publishing gossip at all. Before Neverland ranch was invaded by California law enforcement, Michael Jackson was preparing to take time off from baby-dangling and extreme-sport plastic surgery to pen his memoirs. We hear our good friend Mr. Vigliano, who also reps Jessica Simpson and the Pope, flew to the ranch to meet with Jackson about a book.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/n_9556/

How about WE will be paying for that.  Nice pay back isn't it? ::MonkeyEek::

June 18, 2005 - Saturday
June 19, 2005 - Sunday
June 20, 2005 - Monday

According to the above article ... Paulus van der was questioned as a witness on Saturday June 18, 2005 but ... was required to return on Sunday June 19, 2005. 

However ... only one witness statement of Paulus van der Sloot has been revealed ... the one given on Saturday, June 18, 2005.

Could it be that the interrogation of Saturday, June 18, 2005 had been completed but ... Paulus van der Sloot returned on Sunday, June 19, 2005 to made changes to his original declaration ... changes that Roland/Roy Tromp his interrogator claimed that he made at some time.

Janet

++++++++


PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively inspector and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes, state the following.

On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information.

<snipped>

PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.msg36196;topicseen#msg36196

++++++++++++

PROCES VERBAAL

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony Burke,
respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the Korps
Politie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime
District 2, state the following.

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a
suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was:

Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, 
born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.msg61659;topicseen#msg61659

++++++++++

Judge Wants Aruba Witness In Court
Testimony Could Show Suspect's Statements Are Contradictory
Aug 5, 2005 5:34 pm US/Eastern

Authorities believe the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago, said Lt. Roy Tromp.

... Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island.

"We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html

IMO, Charles Croes is a dealer for Digicel and not an owner of Digicel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/CroesDigicel.jpg)

Thanks Klaas

That makes perfect sense.

Janet

Tonight on Dana Pretzer:

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Pretzer061008.jpg)

Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)

No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

How long has it been now? Almost 1 1/2 yrs? What exactly have they done so far in this case?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe Destiny can put Dr. Phil on her call list, for an update.  Offer of research and a little pep talk... :smt102

Another scandal involving Minister Wever..This time at the Dump..Pictures and Article in Papi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4993/18/

some scumbag judge is probably trying to figger out how to award the Kalpoes a huge chuck of Doctor Phil's / Paramount's and Jamie's money all the while keeping his job and and not having the court house burned down...

who knows who travels to these international consortium's on international law... and back patting.

Hi Dayhiker and everyone.

i've said for almost 3 yrs. now that a team of forensic accountants could put this case to rest and half the officials on that island in the pokey.  where the hell are the i.r.s. auditors when you need them.  surely holland has the equivalent for their tax dept.
dennisintn

Maybe they are waiting for the 2 year mark and if nothing has happened then all charges will be dropped ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::

lol, *******, can you give us the gist of what this is about?
dennisintn

08/05/2008 Motion to dismiss future hearing until 10/05/08 on previous motion to dismiss motion hearing 0n 6/05/08 to dismisss motion hearing of 04/04/08 from previous motion to postpone hearing of 11/08/07. Court will also hear motion to ask if anyone remembers what the first motion was in regard to. Attorneys to submit drink orders at that time.  ::MonkeyConfused::

there is now some kind of new foundation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43188.php

it says: "Adopt an Addict".

what i understand of it is that someone can adopt an addict and pay for their addiction treatment and rehabilitation.

tomorrow the article is there in english i guess.

i've got a feeling that this is just an invitation to become an addict in the first place.

These two just showed up in my back yard. So, I grabbed my camera and took a shot. These guys are fast as heck and one looks like the mother and the youngin'. The one on the right has a red stripe on it's head. I don't think they are woodpeckers - but more like bug hunters that walk up and down trees... and boy oh boy are they fast. I should have set the camera speed to 800, but didn't have time.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/WOODPECKERS.jpg)

ALE is preparing for ultimate mass confusion this coming Sunday when "Father's Day" will be now observed for all the new "adoptees" with brand new "fathers." "Boeti" will be claiming approximately 15,000 new "fathers" himself!

the Sloots will NOT be adopting an addict at this time - they are ready have their own.

This is another great idea. Who comes up with this stuff.

I can see Ramon Lee adopting a 14 year old "addict" any day now.

oh brother  ::MonkeyNoNo::

gas prices on Aruba rose to 2.57 florin/liter
this is 5.38 dollars a gallon.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43187.php

FYI: in The Netherlands gas prices are today US$10.11/gallon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing

in Spain (US$7.34/gallon) truckdrivers started blockades to protest the fuel prices.
two truckdrivers got driven over and died while trying to stop other trucks.
the public is hoarding, fearing shortages.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7445758.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7446130.stm

There is Federal Income Tax in Aruba, and no Dutch State Tax. The Dutch don't have to pay tax when they maintain their dual citizenship, Dutch Aruban. This is a public corruption hated by all the local Arubans.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/02/arubas-increase-in-taxes-killing.html

CNNMoney.com
Why gas in the U.S. is so cheap
By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer


Despite daily headlines bemoaning record gas prices, the U.S. is actually one of the cheaper places to fill up in the world. Out of 155 countries surveyed, U.S. gas prices were the 45th cheapest, according to a recent study from AIRINC, a research firm that tracks cost of living data.


The difference is staggering. As of late March, U.S. gas prices averaged $3.45 a gallon. That compares to over $8 a gallon across much of Europe, $12.03 in Aruba and $18.42 in Sierra Leone.

Gimme a number...Snicker.... ;-)

Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::

We heard about the mega million crooked deal that Booshi Wever made with the firm bouldin & lawson,so I expect this is more of the same. I think that was a resort and and the same firm had a big project at the Dump. AVP/Eman had proof they did it all illegally so the MEP would get enormous commissions and kickbacks.

From what I gather,it's a project at the dump that is a year behind,it's supposed to cut there waste by 50%. Appears Booshi was calling all the shots without authorization. Looks like another major blunder and scandal involving Booshi and the MEP.

I'm sure Klaas can add it for you KYcat.

Des, this is the only number I have found yet

24 Hour Reservation Line
You may phone Dr. Phil for reservations at 323.461.PHIL (7445)
Please be aware you will need to leave us your name, day and evening phone numbers, and the number of reservations you are requesting. You may request up to four reservations for any one taping.

I'll fix you up KY

CNN made an error there and altered that article:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/01/news/international/usgas_price/index.htm?postversion=2008050112

price now $5.38/gallon

may 2008 $5.20/gallon.

San, Thank You.  I see Klass is gone for the moment I will ask her when she steps back in.
 :smt039

Not a bad idea. After years of ignoring the problem and letting it exist in Govt housing,I would imagine its way out of control. The capitol city's name should be changed to Chollerstad. Not only do they have a bigcrime increase the last few years,but these people are killing themselves after years and years of drug abuse.

Naaaaa....thanks anyway for that number...I want the number of his head lawyer....I'll work from that angle...whooopppieeeee...this is gonna be BIG FUN!!!   Plus...betcha we have some info they don't even have....a new project for me to work on....I wubs a challenge...yeps I do...be prepaired, when the time comes...for me to ask for help in getting the data together....Janet...get lot's of rest Sweetie ;-)

Destiny

Hi

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/cat.jpg)

Wow -- you are fast!  I thought you were gone there for a minute.  Thank You.

 :smt038

I'll have the direct number tomorrow.. ::MonkeyWink::

Wow!!! Rob if you are not using this pic...may I please borrow it to wear in another forum I'm a member of....

KYcat - you're very welcome.  I was gone for a bit  ::MonkeyWink::

Blowing chocolate kissies in your direction Sweetie...

Des...

sure - it's on the internet... be my guest.

Beautiful cat.  Should be going to MADI GRA.  Love it and my new avatar!

 ::cartwheel::

Puuuuuurrrrrrfffectttt   TY!

It's just beautiful.   ::MonkeyWink::

Tune in to the Dana Pretzer show in a couple of minutes:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/10/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-aden-mcevoy-rhonda-wheelus-robin-sax-pat-brown-and-dr-clint-van-zandt/

On Tonight’s Dana Pretzer Show, Dana will discuss today’s ruling on the Becca McEvoy Case, and other topics.

Aden McEvoy and Rhonda Wheelus - On The Becca McEvoy case court ruling today
Robin Sax - LA County Deputy DA on the McEvoy case court ruling
Pat Brown - Criminal Profiler on the Nick Hogan tape controversy
Dr. Clint Van Zandt - Discussing a double-child murder in small-town Oklahoma  

think you are absolutely correct Dennis.

hanks for thei information Klaasend.  And I love that tie die kitty!!!!

I guess the way I see the case currently is - Aruba is busted - both morally and financially. You can't just turn back the clock. How could they do that? and admit they covered up the biggest missing person case since Hoffa??? no wayy!! This was the worst decision anyone could possibly make. Whoever, and I suspect Oduber did it himself, cause the chain of injustice should be locked up or thrown to the lions... although I am leaning toward the decapitation device in the movie Caligula.

What a joke this case has become. It's beyond anything I could even imagine, and I love science fiction. But this is way way ... waaayyyyy out there! The suspect admits TWICE that he knows exactly what happened to that girl . . . and nothing??? This case needs to end lthe way the Bog people dispersed their justice.

And there still isn't anyone to this day, anyone, that has any authority to end this...that's a really sad state of affairs. imo

It's about 'Natalee, her family and friends, and the restoration of Aruba'.   I read that last bit a few days ago, and it seems to fit. 

So many lives changed forever by the actions of a few...jmho

Don't forget gas for the Kalpoe vehicle and trips to the U.S. and S.A.  Also the monthly allowance for the children (three), cleaning service, and IIRC, gardeners. 

Paulus is dirty mafia. Things are not always as they appear.

Live by the sword, die by the McDonald's drive-thru window.

Does anyone really think he simply looked
Joe Tacopina up in the Yellow Book, on a whim?

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

Not one sighting of Joran and in todays world with all the camera phones you know we would have seen something by now. He would be easily spotted in any part of Holland. Someone is obviously hiding him,feeding him,housing him and protecting him. Is it a Govt or someone else? Does he have security also?

Rob:Booshi and others are already huge disgraces and major embarrassments but yet they continue  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Rob, I think the chain began with Paulus. (But then I think you will agree)A man of any integrity or character would have had his son and himself own their actions. The father was a wannabe judge, but he did serve as a replacement judge for a time.