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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 - 6/14/08
Post by: San on June 08, 2008, 08:09:44 PM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

Please take a moment to watch and listen to the video above and remember why we are all here after almost 3 years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 08, 2008, 10:54:27 PM
Hiker I always thought Aruba twisted, turned & made the rules up to fit the situation. Of course the Mafia still controls the rock. Tighter than ever.


I totally agree. They haven't followed their own laws. They made them up and distorted them as they went along to make sure the Van der Sloots were protected. Any judge who would release a suspect with no conditions with all they had on Joran is just crooked as a dog's hind leg.

He had conditions but they erased them all 2 weeks later when no one was paying attention and they did it privately.

You're right *******. That was in mid-September and the lifting of the conditions wasn't reported until late December.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 08, 2008, 10:55:39 PM
Okay, back to the shoe pictures........................ (sorry) ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Hotshot on June 08, 2008, 11:01:22 PM
*******, I lost your email ...please email me.  I have something good to show you.   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 08, 2008, 11:02:50 PM
Okay, back to the shoe pictures........................ (sorry) ::MonkeyHaHa::

Diario shoe:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissfound.jpg)

Shoes Joran was wearing at CnC prior to when Natalee was in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranShoesCnC.jpg)

Shoes Joran claimed on Greta's show were exactly like the ones he lost:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/gretainterview-shoes.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranShoesCnCGretaCompare.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 08, 2008, 11:13:44 PM
Hiker I always thought Aruba twisted, turned & made the rules up to fit the situation. Of course the Mafia still controls the rock. Tighter than ever.


I totally agree. They haven't followed their own laws. They made them up and distorted them as they went along to make sure the Van der Sloots were protected. Any judge who would release a suspect with no conditions with all they had on Joran is just crooked as a dog's hind leg.

He had conditions but they erased them all 2 weeks later when no one was paying attention and they did it privately.

You're right *******. That was in mid-September and the lifting of the conditions wasn't reported until late December.

What they did it in public and on record never proved to be true like the full search of the Van Der Sloot home in 2005. When we became aware that only Joran's Apt was searched,Deputy Dompig tried to convince us they were denied searching that house and he was very dissapointed. We know the OM never asked to search anything more and it was Dompig himself who obstructed that search by protecting the privacy of Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects.

Strange that the last two pictures I can find of KJ she is with Dennis Jacobs and Dompig. What a team they made  ::MonkeyNoNo::
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/karin2-log.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/masks.jpg)
-----------------------------
Right..Well I almost forgot who Deputy Dompig is related to..Was it really Paul Van Der Sloot he was protecting?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/KalpoesandDompig42908posted.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 08, 2008, 11:18:21 PM
Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Adrew G.Hodges, M.D.

page 21

>>>>SNIP

     Shortly after midnight on Monday night, May 31, 2005--twenty-four hours after Natalee
went missing--Paulus van der Sloot was shocked to find the Twittys knocking on his door in Aruba, asking to speak to his son about their daughter.  He might have expected such a scene at some point, but not this point.
     Eyewitnesses on the scene testify that the elder van der Sloot at some point expressedsuprise that the Twittys had arrived so quickly, commenting, "How did you get here? There are no flights into a Aruba until Thursday!" He never imagined that Beth and Jug would fly to Aruba on a friends corporate jet.

++++++++++++
I brought this over from the previous thread. I would just like to make an additional comment about the statement Paulus is remembered to make. I believe he did make such a statement. A statement of such magnitude would certainly stick in my mind. Secondly, I don't think it would be likely that someone would have let such a statement "slip" if they were already aware that the Twittys were on the way. IMO Paulus did not know that the Twittys were coming. If he knew they were coming ie hotel reservations made as someone earlier suggested I think it would have been much more likely that he would have had the Kalpoes car not be there and Joran home on a school night as I am sure most 17 year old students facing finals and graduation would have been. Call me naive.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 08, 2008, 11:28:31 PM
Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Adrew G.Hodges, M.D.

page 21

>>>>SNIP

     Shortly after midnight on Monday night, May 31, 2005--twenty-four hours after Natalee
went missing--Paulus van der Sloot was shocked to find the Twittys knocking on his door in Aruba, asking to speak to his son about their daughter.  He might have expected such a scene at some point, but not this point.
     Eyewitnesses on the scene testify that the elder van der Sloot at some point expressedsuprise that the Twittys had arrived so quickly, commenting, "How did you get here? There are no flights into a Aruba until Thursday!" He never imagined that Beth and Jug would fly to Aruba on a friends corporate jet.

++++++++++++
I brought this over from the previous thread. I would just like to make an additional comment about the statement Paulus is remembered to make. I believe he did make such a statement. A statement of such magnitude would certainly stick in my mind. Secondly, I don't think it would be likely that someone would have let such a statement "slip" if they were already aware that the Twittys were on the way. IMO Paulus did not know that the Twittys were coming. If he knew they were coming ie hotel reservations made as someone earlier suggested I think it would have been much more likely that he would have had the Kalpoes car not be there and Joran home on a school night as I am sure most 17 year old students facing finals and graduation would have been. Call me naive.....

I don't think he knew either, it was a shock to him when they arrived so quickly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 08, 2008, 11:31:43 PM
If PVDS did make that statement then he was probably in panic mode as he had 3 days less then he originally thought. He didnt have time to think about it as he had to get Deepak and Joran off of the property to dispose of something major and to make sure they all told the same lie. If I remember correctly the Family had to wait like 45 mins to a hour for the ALE to arrive before they could go the VDS house. During that time a good semeratin cop probably alerted the Judge after being told a American Family was headed to his door for her Kidnapped Daughter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 08, 2008, 11:33:56 PM
Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Adrew G.Hodges, M.D.

page 21

>>>>SNIP

     Shortly after midnight on Monday night, May 31, 2005--twenty-four hours after Natalee
went missing--Paulus van der Sloot was shocked to find the Twittys knocking on his door in Aruba, asking to speak to his son about their daughter.  He might have expected such a scene at some point, but not this point.
     Eyewitnesses on the scene testify that the elder van der Sloot at some point expressedsuprise that the Twittys had arrived so quickly, commenting, "How did you get here? There are no flights into a Aruba until Thursday!" He never imagined that Beth and Jug would fly to Aruba on a friends corporate jet.

++++++++++++
I brought this over from the previous thread. I would just like to make an additional comment about the statement Paulus is remembered to make. I believe he did make such a statement. A statement of such magnitude would certainly stick in my mind. Secondly, I don't think it would be likely that someone would have let such a statement "slip" if they were already aware that the Twittys were on the way. IMO Paulus did not know that the Twittys were coming. If he knew they were coming ie hotel reservations made as someone earlier suggested I think it would have been much more likely that he would have had the Kalpoes car not be there and Joran home on a school night as I am sure most 17 year old students facing finals and graduation would have been. Call me naive.....


bb, I agree with you.  Paulus may have confided his problem with a few of his cronies, but I don't think that the rest of Aruba had any idea that Beth and Dave would be going after Joran.  When the jet touched down in Aruba, Joran and the Kalpoes weren't linked to Natalee except for a few descriptions that Beth had received from MB kids and the Holiday Inn video tapes.  If Paulus received any advanced warning it probably came from the police station and not earlier.  Are you crazy from thought prints, yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 08, 2008, 11:44:51 PM
If PVDS did make that statement then he was probably in panic mode as he had 3 days less then he originally thought. He didnt have time to think about it as he had to get Deepak and Joran off of the property to dispose of something major and to make sure they all told the same lie. If I remember correctly the Family had to wait like 45 mins to a hour for the ALE to arrive before they could go the VDS house. During that time a good semeratin cop probably alerted the Judge after being told a American Family was headed to his door for her Kidnapped Daughter.

I completely agree panic mode is a good description.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 08, 2008, 11:50:36 PM

Diario shoe:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissfound.jpg)

Shoes Joran was wearing at CnC prior to when Natalee was in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranShoesCnC.jpg)

Shoes Joran claimed on Greta's show were exactly like the ones he lost:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/gretainterview-shoes.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranShoesCnCGretaCompare.jpg)


I put on my "granny" glasses and ... still cannot see the blue?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++++++

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


I told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005


GRACE: ... Jossy, what`s the latest regarding the search for Joran Van Der Sloot`s shoes? Now, didn`t he tell police he lost them that night? How do you lose your shoes?

MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/ng.01.html


Susan Candiotti
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


CANDIOTTI: Well, finally, confirmation that authorities are putting out a public request to be on the lookout, if you will, for a pair of sneakers that Joran, according to law enforcement authorities, claims that he might have lost the night that Natalee went missing, when he was on the beach with her, he said, at that fisherman`s hut area, which is near the Marriott and the Holiday Inn hotels.

Described as size 14, a pair of brand new sneakers. The brand is K- Swiss.

GRACE: … Size 14, K-Swiss, are those...

CANDIOTTI: White and blue in color, that`s right. And they`re looking for this pair of brand new sneakers that he told police, as they stressed to me, in one of his many statements, that he might have lost this pair of shoes

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 08, 2008, 11:53:28 PM
The linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office.  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6492/terdci8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 08, 2008, 11:54:43 PM
*******  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 08, 2008, 11:59:37 PM

Diario shoe:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/kswissfound.jpg)

Shoes Joran was wearing at CnC prior to when Natalee was in Aruba:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranShoesCnC.jpg)

Shoes Joran claimed on Greta's show were exactly like the ones he lost:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/gretainterview-shoes.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranShoesCnCGretaCompare.jpg)


I put on my "granny" glasses and ... still cannot see the blue?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++++++

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


I told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005


GRACE: ... Jossy, what`s the latest regarding the search for Joran Van Der Sloot`s shoes? Now, didn`t he tell police he lost them that night? How do you lose your shoes?

MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/ng.01.html


Susan Candiotti
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


CANDIOTTI: Well, finally, confirmation that authorities are putting out a public request to be on the lookout, if you will, for a pair of sneakers that Joran, according to law enforcement authorities, claims that he might have lost the night that Natalee went missing, when he was on the beach with her, he said, at that fisherman`s hut area, which is near the Marriott and the Holiday Inn hotels.

Described as size 14, a pair of brand new sneakers. The brand is K- Swiss.

GRACE: … Size 14, K-Swiss, are those...

CANDIOTTI: White and blue in color, that`s right. And they`re looking for this pair of brand new sneakers that he told police, as they stressed to me, in one of his many statements, that he might have lost this pair of shoes

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html



I'm sure maybe San would back me, but if Joran said they were blue & white, well.....that's why you can't see the blue... ::MonkeyRoll::  (and I can't see it either, Janet   ::MonkeyWink::  )


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: texasmom on June 09, 2008, 12:01:01 AM
The linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office.  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/6492/terdci8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)






Hi Everyone!
Good grief, what's been going on while I've been out of the cage?
 
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 12:18:43 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 12:24:17 AM
Heres another picture of Joran and those shoes at that Award Ceremony.

(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4530/346625263f171b23ceovi1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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They said the missing shoes were purchased in Florida and they were blue and white. These appear to be brand new and he is wearing them in Florida,in the other pictures from his trip in FLA he is wearing Nikes. So unless he bought more then one pair of shoes,these appear to be the ones he bought.MO It wouldn't be the first time Joran lied on TV,for all we know they have a receipt of the purchase and all it says is blue and white K-Swiss. Whatever description he gives of his missing shoes you can rest assured it will be the wrong one.

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/blue.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 12:25:09 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


It's in english. He is telling the audience that the US is heading for a recession. 16 years ago during our last recession -- Aruba remained flat. Basically, he is whistling past the grave yard!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 12:28:58 AM
Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Andrew G.Hodges, M.D.

page 14

>>>>SNIP

     While the Twittys and their friends arrived at Joran's house around 1am, Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot, did not respond to efforts to get him to come to the door.  However two Aruban eyewitnesses in the group peered over the fence surrounding the property and spotted what later turned out to be Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray Hondasedan parked near the house.  The Twitty group left to find the local police and eventually ended up back at the van der Sloot home around 3 am, where Paulus this time took fifteen minutes to come to the door. Appearing perplexed, he claimed that his son was out with friends. Then he reached Joran by cell phone.  Supposedly, a mix-up then occurred, with Paulus sending everyone on a wild goose chase to the Wyndham Hotel, looking for Joran and Deepak.  Meanwhile, Joran had heard the messagethat he was to return home, which he did, easily beating the police-who had accompanied the Twitty entourage to the Wyndham--back to his house.
     With Beth still in the van, Jug Twitty and several of his Alabama friends then confronted the two boys as a police officer stood nearby.  Joran and Deepak maintained their innocence, claiming they hadn't seen Natalee since dropping her off at the Holiday Inn the previous night.  At this point, according to Deepak, Jug Twitty blew up.
     "She disappeared because after she went with you assholes she lost," was how Deepak recalled what the stepfather said.
     Joran's own father, Paulus van der Sloot was also present at the confrontation and--again according to Deepak--he jumped in to defend boys, insisting that Aruba was no the United States and that Jug and his friends were out of their jurisdiction.
     "I want you people out of my yard. I know the law!" At that time Paulus van der Sloot was connected to the local court system as a kind of "judge in training" in Aruba, a constituent nation of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
     As Deepak remembers it, one of Jug's friends stepped in to break up the tension, suggesting that they all go to the Holiday Inn to see if Joran and Deepak could identify the security guard with whom they reportedly has left Natalee.  The police agreed and the group proceeded to the hotel, but--in Deepak's own words--"We went there there was no suck security working there as we described."
     At that moment, Deepak and Joran noticed Beth Twitty sitting nearby in her car, in the hotel parking lot.  She was crying. For some reason they felt compelled to speak to her.  Having just experienced "bad cop" Jug Twitty's harsh treatment, perhaps they hoped to find "good cop" Beth Twitty more understanding.  After walking over to Natalee's grieving mother, Deepak states that he and Joran said, "Ma'am, you have to believe us!
We did not do anything with you [sic] daughter."

     The two boys were completely unprepared for what came next.  Beth Twitty --looking them both in the eye--immediately responded, "I don't believe you two. I promise you I will make you [sic] life a living hell because of this."
     As we will see those words from the worried mother, as recounted by Deepak himself,
shook the two boys to their cores.  Though hoping for relief, the two suspects felt red-hot coals heaped on their heads, so searing that one of the boys would crack under the heat.  Deepak--young, frightened, and in much farther over his head than he ever imagined in his worst "nightmare"-- his own word which he repeats twice--did not hold out long before he broke.
     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 12:32:12 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


It's in english. He is telling the audience that the US is heading for a recession. 16 years ago during our last recession -- Aruba remained flat. Basically, he is whistling past the grave yard!

Thank Wreck - I'll  have to listen to it tomorrow  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 12:32:20 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


Pff..Yes it's in the only language he knows I bet..
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8017/robnh0.png) (http://imageshack.us)

I tell the Americans the FBI was in charge and Aruba did everything they could and spent millions and it's a safe island..Now time to move on to 70% of our tourism....My research on the cattle and the recession..I mean Americans  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 12:34:37 AM


I put on my "granny" glasses and ... still cannot see the blue?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++++++

Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005


I told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 2, 2005


GRACE: ... Jossy, what`s the latest regarding the search for Joran Van Der Sloot`s shoes? Now, didn`t he tell police he lost them that night? How do you lose your shoes?

MANSUR: He did say that he lost two shoes, blue and white, tennis- type shoes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/ng.01.html


Susan Candiotti
NANCY GRACE
August 1, 2005


CANDIOTTI: Well, finally, confirmation that authorities are putting out a public request to be on the lookout, if you will, for a pair of sneakers that Joran, according to law enforcement authorities, claims that he might have lost the night that Natalee went missing, when he was on the beach with her, he said, at that fisherman`s hut area, which is near the Marriott and the Holiday Inn hotels.

Described as size 14, a pair of brand new sneakers. The brand is K- Swiss.

GRACE: … Size 14, K-Swiss, are those...

CANDIOTTI: White and blue in color, that`s right. And they`re looking for this pair of brand new sneakers that he told police, as they stressed to me, in one of his many statements, that he might have lost this pair of shoes

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html



I'm sure maybe San would back me, but if Joran said they were blue & white, well.....that's why you can't see the blue... ::MonkeyRoll::  (and I can't see it either, Janet   ::MonkeyWink::  )
[/quote]

Thanks 2NJSons_Mom.

That's a relief.  Whew!!

I assume the consensus is that Joran's claim to Greta in March, 2006 that the missing shoes were "exactly" like the white pair he was wearing on the show is the truth and ... his claim in his declaration in June, 2005 was a lie and ... the public request put out by Aruban authorities in August, 2005 for the public to be on the lookout for "blue and white" shoes ...

Hey ... this shoe dialogue is way too confusing for wannabe detective.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 12:37:50 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


It's in english. He is telling the audience that the US is heading for a recession. 16 years ago during our last recession -- Aruba remained flat. Basically, he is whistling past the grave yard!

Thank Wreck - I'll  have to listen to it tomorrow  ::MonkeyWink::
16 years ago --gas wasn't $4/gallon and they didn't have a huge "monkey" on their back before the recession even started! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 12:44:23 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


It's in english. He is telling the audience that the US is heading for a recession. 16 years ago during our last recession -- Aruba remained flat. Basically, he is whistling past the grave yard!

Thank Wreck - I'll  have to listen to it tomorrow  ::MonkeyWink::
16 years ago --gas wasn't $4/gallon and they didn't have a huge "monkey" on their back before the recession even started! ::MonkeyHaHa::
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8017/robnh0.png) (http://imageshack.us)

Duh,,If I let my beard grow more will I look more Dutch? I don't think it's fair Rudy can be the only one with the billy goat look..I've been telling the Americans the case will be solved soon..How much longer? They are on to us  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 12:53:38 AM
Would someone swat the fly off the end of his nose, for me? Thank you. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 12:54:43 AM
Would someone swat the fly off the end of his nose, for me? Thank you. ::MonkeyWink::

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 12:56:48 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 01:24:11 AM
I see a bunch of Aruba Vacation video's uploaded to youtube!  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 03:41:48 AM
Okay, back to the shoe pictures........................ (sorry) ::MonkeyHaHa::

Fine with me Wreck...I'm over my shoe hissy-fit....glad I got that one out of my system... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 04:00:42 AM
I see a bunch of Aruba Vacation video's uploaded to youtube!  ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyCool::

YOU REALLY ARE AN *******!!!!


 ::MonkeyWink::


>Elmo work overtime.

 ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 09, 2008, 06:02:43 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/



it's in english.  he's explaining how the u.s. is headed for a full blown recession but aruba will be fine. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 06:28:48 AM
Good Morn Dennis...and 2 Guests!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 09, 2008, 06:45:26 AM
Good Morn Dennis...and 2 Guests!

good morning, miss destiny.  nice to see i'm not the only one up this morning.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 09, 2008, 07:54:25 AM
SS
How much forensics work do you think our FBI was actually involved with?  I think most of us think that they haven't been involved much at all.  Or, have they been very much involved, but that involvement hasn't been released for public knowledge.  Personally, I am very disappointed in our FBI and our government, for their lack of involvement in this case.  I lived in the Middle East for a few years and for some reason I recall thinking at the time that if anything had happened to me, Uncle Sam would have come riding in on a big white horse.  I now know that I was very naive in those thoughts
.
 
SS when the FBI called me back on my pictures   that I had sent them.
They said there hands were tied,they were very much involved, but that their involvement can't be released to the  public.
Their was nothing much they could do. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 08:11:35 AM
Hi Monkeys...does anyone know what this is about?

TIA...Destiny


   
AUTO LAGA ATRAS MISTERIOSAMENTE NA NATURAL BRIDGE    PDF    Print    E-mail
Monday, 09 June 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN):--Polis a ser yama den oranan di marduga, pero na yegada no a topa cu e chofer di un jeep cu kizas por tabata tin mal intencion of kier a risca su bida pasobra un tiki mas el a cay for di baranca.Aki ta trata di un jeep A-37835 color preto. No tabata tin informacion cu e lo por tabata horta.

Den e jeep tabata tin un camisa, paki cigaria mientras cu e jeep mes tabata na lock.

Loke a hala atencion tabata e marcanan cu a keda atras.

E chofer a pasa dilanti di e shop na Natural Bridge bai direccion lama y logra man robez parti patras di e shop.

Despues el a bin bek pasa riba un cantidad di mata cu tin planta patras di e shop y sigui bai direccion di e brug chikito.

Pasando riba esaki el a hera cay for di baranca pasobra un pida baranca a kibra cu tur consecuencia.

 Finalmente e jeep a sigui bai y baha na un baranca kedando sin salida.

E jeep a keda entre un baranca halto y un scheur grandi cu a ser ocasiona despues di e caida di e natural bridge original.

Cu un grua ta e forma mas facil pa saca e jeep den e situacion cu el a keda.

Cu e fotonan aki cada ken tin un bista di e locura cu un chofer a haci den oranan di diasabra marduga na Natural Bridge.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 08:14:09 AM
SS
How much forensics work do you think our FBI was actually involved with?  I think most of us think that they haven't been involved much at all.  Or, have they been very much involved, but that involvement hasn't been released for public knowledge.  Personally, I am very disappointed in our FBI and our government, for their lack of involvement in this case.  I lived in the Middle East for a few years and for some reason I recall thinking at the time that if anything had happened to me, Uncle Sam would have come riding in on a big white horse.  I now know that I was very naive in those thoughts
.
 
SS when the FBI called me back on my pictures   that I had sent them.
They said there hands were tied,they were very much involved, but that their involvement can't be released to the  public.
Their was nothing much they could do. 



Thanks Blonde, 

I would think the only entity that could *tie* the hands of the FBI, would be on the government level.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 08:30:07 AM
Okay, back to the shoe pictures........................ (sorry) ::MonkeyHaHa::

Fine with me Wreck...I'm over my shoe hissy-fit....glad I got that one out of my system... ::MonkeyCool::
I was only kidding -- I'm still intrigued by the shoe. Even if it MIGHT have been a hoax, I want to know who left it and why!
(the only reason I left that comment is because I asked us to move on to thread #757 because we had so many nasty arguements on thread #756. No offense meant at all -- you are very much appreciated!!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 08:53:03 AM
I wonder if they will have last call drink specials for the tourist girls?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/485/singlestextgb0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 09, 2008, 09:18:57 AM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


Fuel Crisis

JetBlue cancelled 22 new air buses.
American Eagle went from 55 daily flights to 33 daily flights.
ST.Lucia(?)was cancelled 70%(flights?)with one week notice.
ST.Crus(?)was cancelled 50%(flights?)with one week notice.
AND it looks like Rob Smith is turning into a tub of lard.....you know this all must hurt.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 09:20:20 AM
Hi Monkeys...does anyone know what this is about?

TIA...Destiny


   
AUTO LAGA ATRAS MISTERIOSAMENTE NA NATURAL BRIDGE    PDF    Print    E-mail
Monday, 09 June 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN):--Polis a ser yama den oranan di marduga, pero na yegada no a topa cu e chofer di un jeep cu kizas por tabata tin mal intencion of kier a risca su bida pasobra un tiki mas el a cay for di baranca.Aki ta trata di un jeep A-37835 color preto. No tabata tin informacion cu e lo por tabata horta.

Den e jeep tabata tin un camisa, paki cigaria mientras cu e jeep mes tabata na lock.

Loke a hala atencion tabata e marcanan cu a keda atras.

E chofer a pasa dilanti di e shop na Natural Bridge bai direccion lama y logra man robez parti patras di e shop.

Despues el a bin bek pasa riba un cantidad di mata cu tin planta patras di e shop y sigui bai direccion di e brug chikito.

Pasando riba esaki el a hera cay for di baranca pasobra un pida baranca a kibra cu tur consecuencia.

 Finalmente e jeep a sigui bai y baha na un baranca kedando sin salida.

E jeep a keda entre un baranca halto y un scheur grandi cu a ser ocasiona despues di e caida di e natural bridge original.

Cu un grua ta e forma mas facil pa saca e jeep den e situacion cu el a keda.

Cu e fotonan aki cada ken tin un bista di e locura cu un chofer a haci den oranan di diasabra marduga na Natural Bridge.



Through pap translator:

car let behind misteriosamente at natural bridge

 monday, 09 june 2008 oranjestad(aan):--polis owing to being calling in oranan of marduga, but at arrival not owing to come across cu the chofer of one jeep cu kizas can was have bad intencion or wanted owing to risk his life because one bit more past owing to cay for of baranca.aki is deal of one jeep a-37835 color black. not was have informacion cu the will can was steal. in the jeep was have one camisa, package cigaria while cu the jeep self was at lock. thing owing to wing atencion was the marcanan cu owing to stay behind. the chofer owing to happen fast of the shop at natural bridge go direccion lama y succeed hand robez part behind the shop. after past owing to come bek happen on one cantidad of kill cu have plant behind the shop y follow go direccion of the bridge diminutive. pasando on this past owing to hera cay for of baranca because one piece baranca owing to break cu all consecuencia. finalmente the jeep owing to follow go y descend at one baranca kedando without exit. the jeep owing to stay among one baranca high y one scheur big cu owing to being ocasiona after of the caida of the natural bridge aboriginal. cu one grua is the form more facil for saca the jeep in the situation cu past owing to stay. cu the fotonan here cada that have one view of the locura cu one chofer owing to haci in oranan of saturday marduga at natural bridge. come across


Looks like a mystery.  Someone left behind a jeep, empty besides a package of cigs, at the Natural Bridge.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2946/30/

Same story here:

http://www.awe24.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/awe24.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 09:25:30 AM
SS
How much forensics work do you think our FBI was actually involved with?  I think most of us think that they haven't been involved much at all.  Or, have they been very much involved, but that involvement hasn't been released for public knowledge.  Personally, I am very disappointed in our FBI and our government, for their lack of involvement in this case.  I lived in the Middle East for a few years and for some reason I recall thinking at the time that if anything had happened to me, Uncle Sam would have come riding in on a big white horse.  I now know that I was very naive in those thoughts
.
 
SS when the FBI called me back on my pictures   that I had sent them.
They said there hands were tied,they were very much involved, but that their involvement can't be released to the  public.
Their was nothing much they could do. 



I think they wanted to be involved, but were essentially not permitted by Aruba in this case, as a foreign country in becoming involved. After the initial agents sent to the island (which most of whom were withdrawn quickly) they were there as observers only.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 09, 2008, 09:33:37 AM
NEED YOUR HELP MONKEYS!!!!

I can't believe it!!! My Dad's vacation plan just added Aruba to it's list of properties!! I went on line to book a vacation for the end of summer and there it was!!! We have to let our voices be heard!! Write and tell them to SELL SELL SELL!!!!

Funny part...I did a search and saw a press release where TAN had announced they were added Aruba. Spokesperson said up until now their properties had not met the "TAN standards". I wrote...DUUUHHHH!!! of course you can find half way decent condos for sale NOW!!! EVERYONE IS BAILING AND SELLING THEIR PROPERTIES THERE!!! I also wrote that airlines were reducing or eliminating flights and cruiseships were skipping Aruba's ports!! Added a link to our Aruba Crime Thread!!

Funnier part!!! I went to the "excess inventory list". This is a list of their properties that are NOT booked and so my siblings and I can rent a condo for a week off of the list for $188.00. Yes...$188.00 for the week. Guess what was available EVERY WEEK IN JULY...YEP!!! THE ARUBA PROPERTY!!!! hahahahahaha
Apparently us Monkeys are not the only ones who don't want to visit there!!

Send the customer service and email and let them know what you think about Aruba!! We'll get that property sold!!!

customerservice@planwithtan.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 09:37:51 AM
JUNE 21-24!


Hi everyone...This is just to inform everyone that the whole Caribbean will be at the Ronald Reagan Bldg doing a GALA affair...JUNE 21st-24th. We are gearing up to PROTEST BIG TIME. Everyone needs to know about the People who are going to these Islands and dying, being drugged and raped..or just disappearing like OUR NATALEE and others like AMY BRADLEY. Please lets show up in force. Its a Federal Bldg and I have applied for a real permit. We can wear our Tshirts..inside and hand out flyers and totebags...WE CAN STAND WITH THE GIRL....Please email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com...[Klaas, I hope this is Okay] Even if you can come for a day or a few hours..We the Peope need to SPEAK up....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 09:52:46 AM
I wonder if they will have last call drink specials for the tourist girls?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/485/singlestextgb0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


******* you are a hoot!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Pink Dancers! or Mr Pink Dancers  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 09, 2008, 10:37:17 AM
Would someone swat the fly off the end of his nose, for me? Thank you. ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Good morning everyone.  Thanks, Carpe!  You KILL me!

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:43:33 AM

Funnier part!!! I went to the "excess inventory list". This is a list of their properties that are NOT booked and so my siblings and I can rent a condo for a week off of the list for $188.00. Yes...$188.00 for the week. Guess what was available EVERY WEEK IN JULY...YEP!!! THE ARUBA PROPERTY!!!! hahahahahaha
Apparently us Monkeys are not the only ones who don't want to visit there!!



FIRE SALE!!!! No way anybody is making money at that price. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
SS
How much forensics work do you think our FBI was actually involved with?  I think most of us think that they haven't been involved much at all.  Or, have they been very much involved, but that involvement hasn't been released for public knowledge.  Personally, I am very disappointed in our FBI and our government, for their lack of involvement in this case.  I lived in the Middle East for a few years and for some reason I recall thinking at the time that if anything had happened to me, Uncle Sam would have come riding in on a big white horse.  I now know that I was very naive in those thoughts
.
 
SS when the FBI called me back on my pictures   that I had sent them.
They said there hands were tied,they were very much involved, but that their involvement can't be released to the  public.
Their was nothing much they could do. 



I think they wanted to be involved, but were essentially not permitted by Aruba in this case, as a foreign country in becoming involved. After the initial agents sent to the island (which most of whom were withdrawn quickly) they were there as observers only.


Morning BB. I think they wanted to help, too. The FBI divers never hit the water and were sent home in 8 days. Oduber ordered the entire files handed over to the FBI and it never happened. Yes their hands were tied, INTENTIONALLY, and the Aruban government spokespeople and media lied about the so-called role the FBI played, trumping it up when in fact they had shoved them out of the investigation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:53:26 AM
Good Morn Dennis...and 2 Guests!

good morning, miss destiny.  nice to see i'm not the only one up this morning.
dennisintn


Oh yeah, it will be fine, after all the U.S. is only 70% of their tourism economy which is 90% of the Gross National Product. I want to see any country that loses 40 percent of their GNP be fine. Yeah right. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 09, 2008, 12:00:04 PM

Funnier part!!! I went to the "excess inventory list". This is a list of their properties that are NOT booked and so my siblings and I can rent a condo for a week off of the list for $188.00. Yes...$188.00 for the week. Guess what was available EVERY WEEK IN JULY...YEP!!! THE ARUBA PROPERTY!!!! hahahahahaha
Apparently us Monkeys are not the only ones who don't want to visit there!!



FIRE SALE!!!! No way anybody is making money at that price. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

lol...I keep slamming the customer service with more and more "info" and links to the underbelly of Aruba. Send them more e-mails!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 12:18:34 PM
IDSTlou

I wrote an email/letter to your Dad's vacation plan organization...Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 12:27:34 PM
IDSTlou

I wrote an email/letter to your Dad's vacation plan organization...Destiny

HummmmmIDSTlou...my email to tan plan from the link you provided...was just returned!  Is that the link you are using?

Destiny...gimme a phone number...I'll call them ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 09, 2008, 12:43:22 PM
Thank you for my little flag!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
JUNE 21-24!


Hi everyone...This is just to inform everyone that the whole Caribbean will be at the Ronald Reagan Bldg doing a GALA affair...JUNE 21st-24th. We are gearing up to PROTEST BIG TIME. Everyone needs to know about the People who are going to these Islands and dying, being drugged and raped..or just disappearing like OUR NATALEE and others like AMY BRADLEY. Please lets show up in force. Its a Federal Bldg and I have applied for a real permit. We can wear our Tshirts..inside and hand out flyers and totebags...WE CAN STAND WITH THE GIRL....Please email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com...[Klaas, I hope this is Okay] Even if you can come for a day or a few hours..We the Peope need to SPEAK up....

Monkeys

When we uphold Vicki and others in our thoughts, prayers, encouraging words, financial support and/or participation in their unselfish efforts to prevent the Natalee Holloway case from becoming a distance memory ... we are not only honoring Natalee but ... we are also honoring her mother in her contention that pressure on the  Aruban economy is the catalyst that will reveal the truth regarding the events which encompassed the morning when her precious daughter went missing.

Janet

+++++++

Natalee Holloway: New Clues
March 25, 2006


Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 02:00:40 PM
Dayhiker wrote;
Quote
Morning BB. I think they wanted to help, too. The FBI divers never hit the water and were sent home in 8 days. Oduber ordered the entire files handed over to the FBI and it never happened. Yes their hands were tied, INTENTIONALLY, and the Aruban government spokespeople and media lied about the so-called role the FBI played, trumping it up when in fact they had shoved them out of the investigation.

Intentionally being the operative word.  :wink:


Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Andrew G.Hodges, M.D.

Hodges states
page 28

>>>>SNIP
I didn't bother with the FBI because I had learned from an impeccable source within the Bureau that Aruba didn't want help.  I was told that the FBI's original offer to put 150 to 200 agents on the ground in Aruba immediately after Natalee's disappearance had been roundly rejected.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 02:05:50 PM
Who has more power...Nelson Oduber or Rudy Croes?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: JusticeforNatalee on June 09, 2008, 02:12:30 PM
Well, holy cow! If that photo above is any indication, Rob Smith is starting to resemble
Mark Purcell! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyEek::

And it's quite hilarious for Rob to compare the current situation with sixteen years ago!
He does indeed seem to be "whistling past the graveyard." Sixteen years ago, Americans actually liked Aruba.

But now, everything has changed with the failure to deliver justice for an American tourist.

rob@ahata.travel


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 02:21:38 PM
Who has more power...Nelson Oduber or Rudy Croes?

As far as power in Aruba I would say Rudy Croes..He controls the entire Justice Dept,Issues the work Visas and a lot more..As far as Power outside of Aruba that would probably be Oduber. In my opinion,I think Rudy is the most powerful man in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 02:28:19 PM
Klaas if you get a moment can you please edit in Missing Persons :Shelly Pannell FOUND SAFE  Thanks a bunch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
This might help - not sure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Aruba

Politics of Aruba

Politics of Aruba, a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, takes place in a framework of a parliamentary representative democratic country, whereby the prime minister is the head of government, and of a multi-party system. Executive power is exercised by the government. Federal legislative power is vested in both the government and parliament. The Judiciary is independent of the executive and the legislature. Aruba but it has full autonomy on most matters. Exceptions are defence, foreign affairs, and the Supreme Court. The constitution was enacted in January 1986. Executive power rests with a governor, and a prime minister heads an eight-member Cabinet. The governor of Aruba is appointed for a six-year term by the monarch, and the prime minister and deputy prime minister are elected by the Staten for four-year terms. The legislature or Staten is made up of 21 members elected by direct, popular vote to serve four-year terms.

Aruba's judicial system, which has mainly been derived from the Dutch system, operates independently of the legislature and the executive. Jurisdiction, including appeal, lies with the Common Court of Justice of Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles and the Supreme Court of Justice in the Netherlands.

(snipped)

As a side note:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betico_Croes

Betico Croes

Gilberto François "Betico" Croes (b. 1938 d. 1986) was an Aruban political activist who was a proponent of Aruba's separation from the rest of the Netherlands Antilles. This eventually occurred, but Croes lapsed into a coma after an accident on 31 December 1985 (the night of status aparte) and was never conscious to see his accomplishment. He's called the father of the Aruban nation.

The accident he suffered was questioned by many for years since a car was seen leaving the area after the accident. This conspiracy theory was never proven.

He was the leader of the political party M.E.P. (Movimiento Electoral di Pueblo) and was the person responsible for the Seal, Flag and Hymn of the island of Aruba. The hymn was co-written by renowned Padu Del Caribe (Padu Lampe), and Rufo Wever who also composed the anthem.

In the 1980s he also said that Aruba should target the tourism in order the diversify the economy since it depended mainly on the refinery.

He also was responsible for major projects for the people of Aruba like F.C.C.A., Arubus, Sasaki Plan (he envisioned the area destined for hotels) and many many more.

Aruba's official Holiday to remember him has been marked on January 25, his birth date.

Caya G. F. Betico Croes is named for him and is the main shopping street in Oranjestad, Aruba.

Has 2 sons, Glenbert and Junior Croes and 2 daughters Lalo Saladin-Croes and Guisette Croes.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 02:47:14 PM
Who has more power...Nelson Oduber or Rudy Croes?

As far as power in Aruba I would say Rudy Croes..He controls the entire Justice Dept,Issues the work Visas and a lot more..As far as Power outside of Aruba that would probably be Oduber. In my opinion,I think Rudy is the most powerful man in Aruba.

I agree.  This is why I believe that those who claim they are sincerely seeking justice for Natalee Holloway are being naive when they contend that there are those within the ALE and the Aruban Prosecutor's Office who have the same objective and ... cooperation is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++++


Private Eye:
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #742 3/10 -
« Reply #686 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PM »


Unfortunately, those trusted with the evidence of the investigation were not good stewards of the evidence. Evidence has been destroyed, search activities delayed with no site protection accomplished by the authorities, and interrogations have been stopped at key points and the person being interrogated allowed to be counseled by parents and attorneys, and interrogations have been stopped just short of key questions being asked when the flow of good information was beginning to come out.

Prisoners being isolated have been furnished cell phones and communication has been allowed to occur between locked up and the free.

Do I think psychics are the answer? No.

But sharing information with people who work for people who are directly orchestrating the cover up, Rudy, or the Dutch, is the most irresponsible investigating I can imagine. What kills this investigation is people having to come into it, wanting to apply basic investigatory protocols into place, and then having those channels sabotage the new evidence that the new players discover. Of course, as is happened everytime in this case, the new people eventually come to a point where the manipulation of the evidence is undeniable, but by then the fruits of their work are gone, and there is simply another member of the believers of the cover up group. What I pray that Kyle and the crew of the Persistence will determine, is that regardless of how hard working the man that they are working with appears to work, his work belongs to Rudy, and Rudy belongs to the local dutch.  

We are not hysterical, ignorant, paranoid people. We have seen the cover up in action, in broad daylight, with impunity, and if you disregard our warnings, you will become the next chump in a series of chumps, no matter how sophisticated your equipment, the level of your educational achievement, or the extent of your job skills and work history.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 02:49:25 PM
Link to above quote:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2689.msg364750#msg364750



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 03:09:48 PM
My speakers aren't hooked up right now.  Someone please listen to this Rob Smith speach and tell me if it's in English. 

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4987/5/


Pff..Yes it's in the only language he knows I bet..
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8017/robnh0.png) (http://imageshack.us)

I tell the Americans the FBI was in charge and Aruba did everything they could and spent millions and it's a safe island..Now time to move on to 70% of our tourism....My research on the cattle and the recession..I mean Americans  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Is he cross-eyed, or is it just that picture?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 03:19:34 PM

It's the picture,but the Aruban Media loves this picture as I have seen it in almost every newspaper  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 03:21:54 PM

It's the picture,but the Aruban Media loves this picture as I have seen it in almost every newspaper  ::MonkeyWink::
He looks "Hyp-no-tized"  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 03:26:53 PM
Wreck - More Cowbells    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 09, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
Who has more power...Nelson Oduber or Rudy Croes?

As far as power in Aruba I would say Rudy Croes..He controls the entire Justice Dept,Issues the work Visas and a lot more..As far as Power outside of Aruba that would probably be Oduber. In my opinion,I think Rudy is the most powerful man in Aruba.

The Arawak King??!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 04:02:31 PM
Since Tylergal always maintained that Rudy Croes was the number one Dirty Hand... I will give her kudos to that idea. Why I haven't asked that question before is beyond me...senior moment for sure...but needless to say, Tylergal never wavered once in her thinking that Rudy fit this description.  Looking back we can see that Rudy's hands were all over the cover up and corruption.  He would be in a position to know everything and he would wield the power to coerce van der Straten, Janssen and all the others involved. Why he would want to protect the Sloots and get nothing is suspicious...he is seeing his island's livelihood put in jeopardy over 3 people that could never do anything for him in return.  Rudy may be powerful but he doesn't have any common sense.  He should have sacrificed the scapegoat and things would be back to normal on One Happy Island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 04:09:06 PM
I asked a longtime monkey of ours to read some posts that were located at the freerepublic site for me...she is very good at just picking out things that would interest me...of course that would be Shango related...but she sent me this post and I was wondering what the rest of you think?  Has anyone ever heard about his 6th person?  Would that be a reference to Lorenzo?  Koen?  Sander?  It is probably nothing but I was curious.


To: Betaille
Well Joran is 17 the other two are 18 and 21. The 17 year old's father was a soon to be judge in Aruba. Maybe they kept quiet out of fear until they were arrested just a couple days ago.

It makes me wonder if Joran wanted her to go farther than she wanted and he wanted her to do something in front of the 2 older boys and she refused. They say that Joran had been in anger management classes for a problem he had before. Maybe she got sick on him in the back seat and he lost his cool because it made him look like a fool in front of his 2 buds.

It sounds to me that the 2 older boys are the ones talking and that they are witnesses to what Joran did. Like I said they may have told Joran your on your own and they left on foot. So they might not know where Joran disposed of her body, but they know where she was killed since they were witnesses to it. Joran may have went to this 6th person's home (the one that was arrested this morning) seeking help in getting rid of her body.
273 posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 3:33:31 PM by stlnative


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
Lala..Thats another source that says there was a arrest on June 11th in the AM..I suspect that it was Freddy but not sure at all..Could be LVR also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 04:37:41 PM
Posted on the front page of SM(going to look for the hyscience article now):

Hyscience on June 11th, 2005 10:58 am
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)

FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ….. ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a ’seller’ ?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-sat-june-11/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
Natalee Holloway: Possibly A Fourth Suspect?
I am not publishing all the information being passed to me as some of it is clearly questionable. And while I am as yet unable to re-confirm and independantly source the following information, I can report with certainty that it came to me from a previously reliable source on the island with multiple significant contacts and the source has good reason to have spoken personally on several occasions with individuals at a high level of Aruban government in positions to know details of this seeming tragedy.

The word "might" should be emphasized.

A confession might include that there is a 4th person included in the case.

What is also unnclear to me is, if this proves true, does it mean that the reason Fox earlier reported the probable release of only one security guard is because one of the security guards is involved and represents an alleged fourth suspect, or if this means there is a fourth individual heretofore unknown who is involved in this case.

Sorry if I leave readers with more questions than absolute certainties, I am only trying to share information with readers as it comes to me while sifting out the clearly undocumentable, or information coming from a totally unknown source. I an not the NY Times and we are learning things together as they unfold in this sad affair.

It is how I choose to operate my blog and I understand it is open to question. But I am as honest and clear as to my sourcing as I can be under the circumstances.

Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 04:01 AM in
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_15.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 04:43:11 PM
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:fakCRWffTUsJ:www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/06/breaking_-_four.php+Breaking+-+Fourth+Suspect+Arrested+In+Natalee+Holloway+Disappearance&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

June 11, 2005
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)
Topics: Natalee Holloway

As was hesitatingly reported here previously, FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. In that post I brought up a question: Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ..... ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a 'seller' ? 

As I said then, probably just too much imagination on my part! But, after all this is a blog, so call it just blogging.


ORANJESTAD, Aruba

[...}
Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba (search) arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestadsearch), the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway (search), 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

Update(with thanks to Peter): There is supposed to be a press conference at the Holiday Inn. It was supposed to have started at 10:00 Am Arubian Time. But up to now not yet. I am still pending. You can check it yourself at Arubadag and click on any of the radio stations in the Menu at the upperright corner of the Website.

You will need RealPlayer to listen. (you may have to keep trying because the servers are presently all tied up)

Update via Scared Monkeys - *** PRESS CONFERENCE AT 4:00PM EDT ***

Hat tip - Dan at Riehl World View(for the original info in previous post on the possibility of a fourth suspect)via ArubaTag

Update: Another retraction, suspect that was arrested is not associated with Natalee's case!

I call BS ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 04:49:56 PM
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8017/robnh0.png)

Snake Eyes.......

(http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ligans/animals/yh_rep_051.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 04:54:03 PM
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:fakCRWffTUsJ:www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/06/breaking_-_four.php+Breaking+-+Fourth+Suspect+Arrested+In+Natalee+Holloway+Disappearance&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

June 11, 2005
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)
Topics: Natalee Holloway

As was hesitatingly reported here previously, FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. In that post I brought up a question: Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ..... ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a 'seller' ? 

As I said then, probably just too much imagination on my part! But, after all this is a blog, so call it just blogging.


ORANJESTAD, Aruba

[...}
Police investigating the disappearance of an Alabama honors student in Aruba (search) arrested a man at dawn Saturday, hours after one of three young men already in custody admitted "something bad happened" to the woman after they took her to the beach.

It was unclear if the 6 a.m. arrest was related to the admission. The same team of officers who arrested five others in the case during the past week went to a home just outside Oranjestadsearch), the capital, and came out with a handcuffed man who looked to be in his 20s.

Saturday morning, police refused to comment on the arrest or say if they had discovered anything overnight that solved the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway (search), 18, who was last seen in the early hours of May 30.

Update(with thanks to Peter): There is supposed to be a press conference at the Holiday Inn. It was supposed to have started at 10:00 Am Arubian Time. But up to now not yet. I am still pending. You can check it yourself at Arubadag and click on any of the radio stations in the Menu at the upperright corner of the Website.

You will need RealPlayer to listen. (you may have to keep trying because the servers are presently all tied up)

Update via Scared Monkeys - *** PRESS CONFERENCE AT 4:00PM EDT ***

Hat tip - Dan at Riehl World View(for the original info in previous post on the possibility of a fourth suspect)via ArubaTag

Update: Another retraction, suspect that was arrested is not associated with Natalee's case!

I call BS ::MonkeyNoNo::



I once again hear the letters L-V-R ringing in my ears......... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 05:07:14 PM
BB - I agree.  Lorenzo was mentioned early on.  Whether he's a half brother to Joran or not I don't know but I do believe he's likely involved, maybe as the supplier of drugs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 05:16:53 PM
Still wondering about Lorenzo...I don't think he did anything but supply drugs to those that wanted it...he certainly has connections given he was given a private audience with a judge and for the most part let go of any responsiblity in his last drug arrest. I have to remind everyone of the fact that he was known to have raves and even Armin played at a Lorenzo's party...whether it was this one or another Lorenzo is anyone's guess. We all want to think the cover up was in place from day one...yet, there is no way the entire island could have been informed of the ensuing cover up and I tend to think several posters were hearing rumors that  Lorenzo COULD have been the supplier...that makes me wonder who and in what order these 4th, 5th, 6th persons were arrested.  I had pretty much decided that Lorenzo was not connected until I saw the picture of Armin playing at Lorenzo's rave...if it was the one and only LVR...then all bets are off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 05:23:32 PM
I agree he was involved, and I agree LVR likely supplied the drugs. Did Joran and the K's bring Natalee to LVR's the night she was given the overdose prior to disposal? Was LVR the one Joran called the night Natalee was given the overdose and had the seizure? Why was his house searched (and I believe it was )if only due to having sold the drugs? Cripes all these questions.......I am starting to sound like Lalas . ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 05:38:56 PM
I agree he was involved, and I agree LVR likely supplied the drugs. Did Joran and the K's bring Natalee to LVR's the night she was given the overdose prior to disposal? Was LVR the one Joran called the night Natalee was given the overdose and had the seizure? Why was his house searched (and I believe it was )if only due to having sold the drugs? Cripes all these questions.......I am starting to sound like Lalas . ::MonkeyWink::

Keep it up!  You may one day obtain Barfdoll status.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 05:47:15 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 05:48:03 PM
One thing to keep in mind...we have no way of knowing exactly what Joran and the Kalpoes actually said to Natalee...she may have thought she was being invited to a really cool party at a really cool guy's house on the island.  I know some will say there was no time to go to a party and then do all that needed to be done that night.  Let's see, we know what time they left CnC and the next time we know for certain that Joran's in one place was the 4 AM pick up at Mickey D's.  There is at least 3 hours there for a party and something bad to happen. So it's possible that she did go somewhere besides the lighthouse and the beach.  She could have been at the Sloots, an apartment, or another house. There is enough time if you disregard the so-called truth these perps have told. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/FDSFSFS.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 06:24:37 PM
Since Tylergal always maintained that Rudy Croes was the number one Dirty Hand... I will give her kudos to that idea. Why I haven't asked that question before is beyond me...senior moment for sure...but needless to say, Tylergal never wavered once in her thinking that Rudy fit this description.  Looking back we can see that Rudy's hands were all over the cover up and corruption.  He would be in a position to know everything and he would wield the power to coerce van der Straten, Janssen and all the others involved. Why he would want to protect the Sloots and get nothing is suspicious...he is seeing his island's livelihood put in jeopardy over 3 people that could never do anything for him in return.  Rudy may be powerful but he doesn't have any common sense.  He should have sacrificed the scapegoat and things would be back to normal on One Happy Island.  

Lala'sMom ... I believe if the "powers that be" could have looked three years into the future and realized that one determined mother by the name of Beth Holloway would be a force to be reckoned with ... Joran van der Sloot would have been the sacrificial lamb and ... at that point in time it would never have occurred to the outside world that Paulus van der Sloot was being protected.

Being a minor ... Joran's accountability would have been minimal and ... Natalee's family would have had a measure of closure ... even if Natalee's remains could not be returned to them.

However ... by the time that Aruba clued in ... in was too late.  The inconsistencies in the statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish ... implicated not only them but ... Paulus and the sons of the elite.  Also ... it also implicated those within the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware or involved in the coverup.

Janet
.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 09, 2008, 06:39:23 PM
Hey Chunky Rat!!!

I KNEW that post would get to you!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Posted it just for you!!! I can send out a mass e-mail you know...don't have to use the forum to reach the Monkeys...but just had to let you know how the Aruba properties are sitting...VACANT... for all of July!!!

So glad you wrote customer service...means I got under your skin and you know how I LOVE to get under those double...err triple chins...errr skin!!!

Funny thing is I actually posted one of YOUR links where all the vacationers were complaining about the trash...and the over building....and the homeless problem!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Keep posting Rat!!! You can be your own worst enemy!!! hahahaha


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 09, 2008, 06:40:04 PM
::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/FDSFSFS.jpg)


roflmao!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:08:27 PM
LVR could be a supplier, but I believe the early reports.  I believe everyone knew and could find Joran because he was a dealer.  He kept money at his house (went to get cash...his book says $500), yet Paulus goes to the bank twice on Monday to deposit $100 ?? They might have even liked the idea of him being 17...might have liked it enough to give him a VIP pass....nothing would happen if he was caught.  The Senior Frog VIP party only showed older VIPs...wonder where the 17 yr olds were, in the photos.  Maybe they only appear for the tourists, but not the real parties.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 07:13:42 PM
I found this tidbit today and I wonder if it's true.  We had thought that ALE dove for the contents of the mystery cage, two days in a row.  OE had said that he watch the ship from the beach.  This is a different take on who the divers were.

________

There is a rumor that some guys from Texas Equisearch took some equipment down and located some bones. Jossy Mansur's brother took a dive team of 8 one day and 10 another day to search the area. No results announced yet

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-285886.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 07:14:19 PM
Dayhiker wrote;
Quote
Morning BB. I think they wanted to help, too. The FBI divers never hit the water and were sent home in 8 days. Oduber ordered the entire files handed over to the FBI and it never happened. Yes their hands were tied, INTENTIONALLY, and the Aruban government spokespeople and media lied about the so-called role the FBI played, trumping it up when in fact they had shoved them out of the investigation.

Intentionally being the operative word.  :wink:


Into The Deep
The Hidden Confession of Natalee's Killer  by Andrew G.Hodges, M.D.

Hodges states
page 28

>>>>SNIP
I didn't bother with the FBI because I had learned from an impeccable source within the Bureau that Aruba didn't want help.  I was told that the FBI's original offer to put 150 to 200 agents on the ground in Aruba immediately after Natalee's disappearance had been roundly rejected.



Yep, they had already committed to the cover-up and there was no way they could involve the FBI.  There are too many things the FBI could have uncovered about the case, and Aruba. That makes me think the Mafia is running the island. Was Pustus working for the mob? Had he handled their contracts? Was Joran a drug runner and money launderer in the casinos?  Any government on the up and up would welcome our assistance and resources. Not Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:17:34 PM
Mum and Lala

I'm sure you know this, but there is an Eric Ras (signed the witness statement of Beth et al May 31) in the Grupo di Betico (the musical group headed by Rudy Croes).  They have a myspace site, in English...but I've lost it.  For now, here is this:

http://grupodibetico.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=24&category_id=2&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:19:49 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 07:20:37 PM
I agree he was involved, and I agree LVR likely supplied the drugs. Did Joran and the K's bring Natalee to LVR's the night she was given the overdose prior to disposal? Was LVR the one Joran called the night Natalee was given the overdose and had the seizure? Why was his house searched (and I believe it was )if only due to having sold the drugs? Cripes all these questions.......I am starting to sound like Lalas . ::MonkeyWink::


I have believed that either Lorenzo or Steve Croes supplied the drugs that was fatal to Natalee and whichever one did was forced to help Joran with the disposal. Could Daury be Lorenzo? I know Daury sounds like Pustus but if Joran and LVR were that close this could also be the case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 09, 2008, 07:22:14 PM
Mum and Lala

I'm sure you know this, but there is an Eric Ras (signed the witness statement of Beth et al May 31) in the Grupo di Betico (the musical group headed by Rudy Croes).  They have a myspace site, in English...but I've lost it.  For now, here is this:

http://grupodibetico.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=24&category_id=2&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3

Thanks Buckeye...all info is appreciated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 07:24:34 PM
I found this tidbit today and I wonder if it's true.  We had thought that ALE dove for the contents of the mystery cage, two days in a row.  OE had said that he watch the ship from the beach.  This is a different take on who the divers were.

________

There is a rumor that some guys from Texas Equisearch took some equipment down and located some bones. Jossy Mansur's brother took a dive team of 8 one day and 10 another day to search the area. No results announced yet

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-285886.html


That was posted by Luke Davis who posts at RU and HelpFindtheMissing.  I don't particularly care for some of the posts Luke Davis has made at RU.  Any information Luke Davis posts regarding the TES/Persistance search most likely came from Glenda and RU.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 09, 2008, 07:31:29 PM
Posted on the front page of SM(going to look for the hyscience article now):

Hyscience on June 11th, 2005 10:58 am
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)

FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ….. ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a ’seller’ ?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-sat-june-11/


Why does everyone think Freddy was just the video guy.

Freddy = Video
Freddy = Rapist
Freddy = Drugs
Freddy = Mafia
Freddy = Fourth Suspect
Freddy = Untouchable


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
For those that read around....Medley is billybob at RU.  I knew I didn't like billbob and now I know why.

Pragmatist wrote (refering to post made by billybob):

I hope that dodo bird was meant for me! It is a dodo bird, right? Well, anyway, I hope so and I hope it was for me and not the cops.

I see by the link to the picture you have access to Medleyrelay's photobucket account! Now I understand your love of all things VDS!

How IS the family these days?

As for my theory being so flawed you couldn't even comment on it....I am going to assume now that I got too close for comfort! Wink
   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 07:40:06 PM
For those that read around....Medley is billybob at RU.  I knew I didn't like billbob and now I know why.

Pragmatist wrote (refering to post made by billybob):

I hope that dodo bird was meant for me! It is a dodo bird, right? Well, anyway, I hope so and I hope it was for me and not the cops.

I see by the link to the picture you have access to Medleyrelay's photobucket account! Now I understand your love of all things VDS!

How IS the family these days?

As for my theory being so flawed you couldn't even comment on it....I am going to assume now that I got too close for comfort! Wink
   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep, that's why I posted this yesterday  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/authorpic40bb.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 07:41:20 PM
Posted on the front page of SM(going to look for the hyscience article now):

Hyscience on June 11th, 2005 10:58 am
Breaking - Fourth Suspect Arrested In Natalee Holloway Disappearance (Updated)

FoxNews is reporting that a fourth suspect has in fact been arrested. Are we looking at the possibility of an accidental death, possibly from an overdose of ….. ? Could the fourth suspect be the/a ’seller’ ?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/natalee-holloway-sat-june-11/


Why does everyone think Freddy was just the video guy.

Freddy = Video
Freddy = Rapist
Freddy = Drugs
Freddy = Mafia
Freddy = Fourth Suspect
Freddy = Untouchable

Freddy is right up there with LVR in my book.  I can't decide between the two. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 07:43:17 PM
O/T  Monday evening mind fart...Destiny  ::MonkeyTongue::


I was walking past the

mental hospital the other day,

and all the patients

were shouting,

 

'13...13....13.'

 

The fence was too high to see over,

but I saw a little gap in

the planks, so I

looked through to see what

was going on.....


Some idiot poked me in

the eye with a stick!


Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 09, 2008, 07:43:36 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/13/missing.teen/index.html

Aruba releases two security guards
Had been held in case of missing teen
Monday, June 13, 2005 Posted: 11:32 PM EDT (0332 GMT)

<snip>

On Sunday, law enforcement sources close to the investigation said a substance found in a Honda seized after three of the men were arrested Thursday is not blood, based on a sample analyzed at an FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia.

<snip>




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 07:44:05 PM
I found this tidbit today and I wonder if it's true.  We had thought that ALE dove for the contents of the mystery cage, two days in a row.  OE had said that he watch the ship from the beach.  This is a different take on who the divers were.

________

There is a rumor that some guys from Texas Equisearch took some equipment down and located some bones. Jossy Mansur's brother took a dive team of 8 one day and 10 another day to search the area. No results announced yet

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/archive/index.php/t-285886.html


That was posted by Luke Davis who posts at RU and HelpFindtheMissing.  I don't particularly care for some of the posts Luke Davis has made at RU.  Any information Luke Davis posts regarding the TES/Persistance search most likely came from Glenda and RU.


Thanks Klass, I was pretty surprised when I read it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:47:08 PM
Good question by Cancun Mole.  Do any of our Dutch posters have the answer??

CancunMole  PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:08 pm         

Have been searching (google) for information on whether or not the Netherlands and Thailand have an Extradition Treaty at this time. Seems that there were discussions in 2004 but can't find anything more recent.

http://www.nisnews.nl/dossiers/royal_house/200104_1333.htm

Does anyone know for sure whether there is or is not an Extradition Treaty between the Netherlands and Thailand? TIA.

If not, would seem like a good place to hang out if one thought that there may be some legal issues in the offing. JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:48:46 PM
O/T  Monday evening mind fart...Destiny  ::MonkeyTongue::


I was walking past the

mental hospital the other day,

and all the patients

were shouting,

 

'13...13....13.'

 

The fence was too high to see over,

but I saw a little gap in

the planks, so I

looked through to see what

was going on.....


Some idiot poked me in

the eye with a stick!


Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

 




 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 09, 2008, 07:50:41 PM
buckeye, tell us more about medleyrelay/billybob and the photo and their connections to the vdsloot family. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 07:51:12 PM
39/012 • International
 No Extradition Treaty with Thailand Seen during State Visit

BANGKOK, 20/01/04 - Queen Beatrix yesterday began a five-day state visit to Thailand. Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, who is accompanying her, will try to conclude an extradition treaty but he is not expected to succeed during the trip, say diplomatic sources.

The Queen arrived in Bangkok with Crown Prince Willem-Alexander yesterday after two days acclimatisation in Singapore. The visit marks 400 years of relations between Thailand and the Netherlands. Much attention is however focused on an extradition treaty allowing Dutch prisoners to serve part of their sentence in the Netherlands. A number of countries already have such a treaty.

Next Thursday, Bot will meet with his Thai counterpart to discuss the treaty, as well as bilateral relations and the upcoming Dutch presidency of the EU. Nobody should however expect the treaty to be concluded during the state visit. According to a spokesman for Bot, there are still too many specific legal details that have to be thoroughly discussed.

Fifteen Dutch nationals are in Thai prisons, most for drug-dealing. The best-known is Machiel Kuijt, sentenced to life imprisonment in an appeal case last November after being acquitted by a lower court. He has already been in jail for almost seven years. The treaty is intended to ensure that prisoners would serve a maximum of 8 years in Thailand before their extradition.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
FBI playing second fiddle in Aruba

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Wednesday, June 15, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: Top sleuths from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Miami have been slithering through the grass on Aruba for the last 14 days but the role these highly-trained agents have been forced to play is that of “second fiddle" to the Aruban police, who have been struggling to crack the case of the missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance on May 30 has drawn the international media to this Dutch Caribbean island of just over 97,000 people.
Officials at Aruba's Foreign Affairs office told Caribbean Net News that the Miami-based FBI agents were invited to the island as observers only, and the Aruban police are the ones "calling the shots."
This has annoyed FBI brass in the US, prompting one senior FBI agent to wonder aloud: "Are they having an election down there or are they looking for a missing person? What's this ******* status stuff all about?"
According to Judy Orihuela, FBI spokesperson at the Miami office, the government of Aruba has only asked for minimal FBI help from the organisation.
FBI sources told Caribbean Net News that there is one agent from Barbados, along with six from Miami, who are on the ground in Aruba and will "help" when they are asked to.
Police in Aruba confirmed to Caribbean Net News that the FBI are here as observers and were part of a team that was allowed to watch from behind a glass when Aruban police interviewed five men held in connection with Holloway's disappearance.
Limited in technology, the Aruban police have also sought the help of the FBI in analysing a DNA sample that was removed from the rear seat of a vehicle belonging to one of the suspects. Caribbean Net News has learnt the DNA tests came back negative when tested for blood.
The slow pace of the investigation has angered many, forcing Holloway's mother to make public criticism of the slow pace.
The case has caused great embarrassment for the Aruba authorities. In one instance, the Deputy Commissioner told the media that there was a confession and that one of the accused was leading the police to the scene of Police. Minutes after, that line was changed and officials had no more to say about the “confession”, saying rather that they had reached a "critical" point in their in their investigations.
No one has made any further comment on what the Deputy Commissioner had said earlier.
However, Holloway's mother is of the view that the authorities could be seeking to protect the three young men who were last to see her daughter. The trio told police they had dropped off the 18-year-old at her hotel following a party session.
Police, when pressed, told Caribbean Net News that video tapes from surveillance cameras at the hotel show no evidence of this.
Meanwhile, FBI agents will stay in Aruba and continue to observe from behind the glass, until they called upon to run any further errands.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/images/na/sabapolicecars-sm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/na/na2.htm&h=90&w=80&sz=3&hl=en&start=203&tbnid=dThKS6rnWnbO4M:&tbnh=78&tbnw=69&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAruban%2Bpolice%26start%3D200%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 07:58:12 PM
buckeye, tell us more about medleyrelay/billybob and the photo and their connections to the vdsloot family. 
dennisintn

Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan who started out at Scrux as a VDS defender/supporter.  She helped with the letter to Oprah and helped gather funds for Joran's defense fund.  She has NOW been to Aruba and met the VDS.  As far as I can tell she must be a very lonely person who has a need to feel important. 

Medleyrelay is also BillyBob at RU but it just recently became clear that Medley and BillyBob were one of the same.  Medley also used to post at RU under the name of Medleyrelay and one other name that escapes me right now  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 09, 2008, 08:03:58 PM
buckeye, tell us more about medleyrelay/billybob and the photo and their connections to the vdsloot family. 
dennisintn

Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan who started out at Scrux as a VDS defender/supporter.  She helped with the letter to Oprah and helped gather funds for Joran's defense fund.  She has NOW been to Aruba and met the VDS.  As far as I can tell she must be a very lonely person who has a need to feel important. 

Medleyrelay is also BillyBob at RU but it just recently became clear that Medley and BillyBob were one of the same.  Medley also used to post at RU under the name of Medleyrelay and one other name that escapes me right now  ::MonkeyWink::

I have a few in mind.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 08:06:41 PM
Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 1:44 PM EDT (1744 GMT)

.....  Janssen also said she has requested FBI dive teams to help search craggy areas of Aruba's coast.
An FBI spokesman in Miami, Florida, said earlier reports that bureau divers would join the search Monday were in error, as was a report that its agents assisted in Sunday's arrests.
Seven FBI agents from Miami are in Aruba, including two divers and evidence collection and analysis experts, and one agent has come from Barbados, the spokesman said.
...
......Authorities said they talked to the three men who left with her. The men said they took Holloway to Arashi Beach before leaving her at her hotel about 2 a.m., authorities said.....

CNN's Karl Penhaul contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/06/missing.teen/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 08:09:42 PM
buckeye, tell us more about medleyrelay/billybob and the photo and their connections to the vdsloot family. 
dennisintn

Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan who started out at Scrux as a VDS defender/supporter.  She helped with the letter to Oprah and helped gather funds for Joran's defense fund.  She has NOW been to Aruba and met the VDS.  As far as I can tell she must be a very lonely person who has a need to feel important. 

Medleyrelay is also BillyBob at RU but it just recently became clear that Medley and BillyBob were one of the same.  Medley also used to post at RU under the name of Medleyrelay and one other name that escapes me right now  ::MonkeyWink::

Medley also posted emails from Anita and to Anita....and was instumental in the fund raising for Joe Taco.  Most of this was done at FOB.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
Sunday, June 12, 2005 Posted: 1:44 PM EDT (1744 GMT)

.....  Janssen also said she has requested FBI dive teams to help search craggy areas of Aruba's coast.
An FBI spokesman in Miami, Florida, said earlier reports that bureau divers would join the search Monday were in error, as was a report that its agents assisted in Sunday's arrests.
Seven FBI agents from Miami are in Aruba, including two divers and evidence collection and analysis experts, and one agent has come from Barbados, the spokesman said.
...
......Authorities said they talked to the three men who left with her. The men said they took Holloway to Arashi Beach before leaving her at her hotel about 2 a.m., authorities said.....

CNN's Karl Penhaul contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/06/missing.teen/index.html


Buckeye ... where is Arashi Beach in relation to the Marriot Beach?

Thanks

Janet.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 08:19:05 PM
Arashi Beach is over by the lighthouse.

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/aruba/arashibeach/index.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 08:23:28 PM
She was at RWV and one of the most pathetic people I have ever seen on the blogs.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

------------------------
billybob wrote:
All I can say Lin if you read my original posts - they were only about the Monkeys! amd my complete disgust for them.
---------------------------
billybob  PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:39 pm         

Oh please ... Pat the monkeys are just beyond ridiculous and if you want to defend them -be my guest. Whatever word one wants to use ... they are loathsome and disgusting. actually there is nothing funny about them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 08:24:25 PM
buckeye, tell us more about medleyrelay/billybob and the photo and their connections to the vdsloot family. 
dennisintn

Medleyrelay = Jan Brennan who started out at Scrux as a VDS defender/supporter.  She helped with the letter to Oprah and helped gather funds for Joran's defense fund.  She has NOW been to Aruba and met the VDS.  As far as I can tell she must be a very lonely person who has a need to feel important. 

Medleyrelay is also BillyBob at RU but it just recently became clear that Medley and BillyBob were one of the same.  Medley also used to post at RU under the name of Medleyrelay and one other name that escapes me right now  ::MonkeyWink::

Medley also posted emails from Anita and to Anita....and was instumental in the fund raising for Joe Taco.  Most of this was done at FOB.

True - forgot about FOB and FOB2, not to mention BNH  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 08:25:52 PM
FBI playing second fiddle in Aruba

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Wednesday, June 15, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba: Top sleuths from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Miami have been slithering through the grass on Aruba for the last 14 days but the role these highly-trained agents have been forced to play is that of “second fiddle" to the Aruban police, who have been struggling to crack the case of the missing 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, whose disappearance on May 30 has drawn the international media to this Dutch Caribbean island of just over 97,000 people.
Officials at Aruba's Foreign Affairs office told Caribbean Net News that the Miami-based FBI agents were invited to the island as observers only, and the Aruban police are the ones "calling the shots."
This has annoyed FBI brass in the US, prompting one senior FBI agent to wonder aloud: "Are they having an election down there or are they looking for a missing person? What's this ******* status stuff all about?"
According to Judy Orihuela, FBI spokesperson at the Miami office, the government of Aruba has only asked for minimal FBI help from the organisation.
FBI sources told Caribbean Net News that there is one agent from Barbados, along with six from Miami, who are on the ground in Aruba and will "help" when they are asked to.
Police in Aruba confirmed to Caribbean Net News that the FBI are here as observers and were part of a team that was allowed to watch from behind a glass when Aruban police interviewed five men held in connection with Holloway's disappearance.
Limited in technology, the Aruban police have also sought the help of the FBI in analysing a DNA sample that was removed from the rear seat of a vehicle belonging to one of the suspects. Caribbean Net News has learnt the DNA tests came back negative when tested for blood.
The slow pace of the investigation has angered many, forcing Holloway's mother to make public criticism of the slow pace.
The case has caused great embarrassment for the Aruba authorities. In one instance, the Deputy Commissioner told the media that there was a confession and that one of the accused was leading the police to the scene of Police. Minutes after, that line was changed and officials had no more to say about the “confession”, saying rather that they had reached a "critical" point in their in their investigations.
No one has made any further comment on what the Deputy Commissioner had said earlier.
However, Holloway's mother is of the view that the authorities could be seeking to protect the three young men who were last to see her daughter. The trio told police they had dropped off the 18-year-old at her hotel following a party session.
Police, when pressed, told Caribbean Net News that video tapes from surveillance cameras at the hotel show no evidence of this.
Meanwhile, FBI agents will stay in Aruba and continue to observe from behind the glass, until they called upon to run any further errands.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/images/na/sabapolicecars-sm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/na/na2.htm&h=90&w=80&sz=3&hl=en&start=203&tbnid=dThKS6rnWnbO4M:&tbnh=78&tbnw=69&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAruban%2Bpolice%26start%3D200%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN




Something is very, very wrong when an American citizen disappears and our FBI is relegated to the status of observers looking through glass and playing second fiddle on a crappy little island the size of Aruba.  What is going on in our State Department that they have forsaken the rights of one of our own for likes of that motley crew that is running Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 09, 2008, 08:36:52 PM
39/012 • International
 No Extradition Treaty with Thailand Seen during State Visit

BANGKOK, 20/01/04 - Queen Beatrix yesterday began a five-day state visit to Thailand. Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, who is accompanying her, will try to conclude an extradition treaty but he is not expected to succeed during the trip, say diplomatic sources.

The Queen arrived in Bangkok with Crown Prince Willem-Alexander yesterday after two days acclimatisation in Singapore. The visit marks 400 years of relations between Thailand and the Netherlands. Much attention is however focused on an extradition treaty allowing Dutch prisoners to serve part of their sentence in the Netherlands. A number of countries already have such a treaty.

Next Thursday, Bot will meet with his Thai counterpart to discuss the treaty, as well as bilateral relations and the upcoming Dutch presidency of the EU. Nobody should however expect the treaty to be concluded during the state visit. According to a spokesman for Bot, there are still too many specific legal details that have to be thoroughly discussed.

Fifteen Dutch nationals are in Thai prisons, most for drug-dealing. The best-known is Machiel Kuijt, sentenced to life imprisonment in an appeal case last November after being acquitted by a lower court. He has already been in jail for almost seven years. The treaty is intended to ensure that prisoners would serve a maximum of 8 years in Thailand before their extradition.

in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand.
came into force april 1st 2005.

precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand.

http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html

Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here.

Peter R. de Vries opposed this. in short:

because Kuijt had in The Netherlands a history of drug and criminal offenses often very violent with weapons.
he could have known he would be in trouble smuggling drugs through Thailand.
but Kuijt never admitted to the drugs crimes.

Peter R. argues that here in The Netherlands there are also drugs criminals serving long sentences with less evidence about that crime who also don't confess. but the Queen is not speaking out to get them released.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/column/Telegraaf%20Zondag%20column/textcolumnpetertelegraaf012.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 08:39:37 PM
Arashi Beach is over by the lighthouse.

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/aruba/arashibeach/index.htm

Thank you Buckeye.

Joran, Deepak and Satish all declared in their May 31, 2005 statements that they drove to the lighthouse with Natalee but ... all three stories differ in regards to why they never got out.

No cross examination by interrogators from the getgo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

Joran van der Sloot
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


I drove at the request of the girl in the direction of the Lighthouse, because the girl wanted to see it. After we drove up along side the Lighthouse, I returned to the Sasakiweg (main road?). Joran told me that the girl had fallen asleep.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 09, 2008, 08:44:37 PM
39/012 • International
 No Extradition Treaty with Thailand Seen during State Visit

BANGKOK, 20/01/04 - Queen Beatrix yesterday began a five-day state visit to Thailand. Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, who is accompanying her, will try to conclude an extradition treaty but he is not expected to succeed during the trip, say diplomatic sources.

The Queen arrived in Bangkok with Crown Prince Willem-Alexander yesterday after two days acclimatisation in Singapore. The visit marks 400 years of relations between Thailand and the Netherlands. Much attention is however focused on an extradition treaty allowing Dutch prisoners to serve part of their sentence in the Netherlands. A number of countries already have such a treaty.

Next Thursday, Bot will meet with his Thai counterpart to discuss the treaty, as well as bilateral relations and the upcoming Dutch presidency of the EU. Nobody should however expect the treaty to be concluded during the state visit. According to a spokesman for Bot, there are still too many specific legal details that have to be thoroughly discussed.

Fifteen Dutch nationals are in Thai prisons, most for drug-dealing. The best-known is Machiel Kuijt, sentenced to life imprisonment in an appeal case last November after being acquitted by a lower court. He has already been in jail for almost seven years. The treaty is intended to ensure that prisoners would serve a maximum of 8 years in Thailand before their extradition.

in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand.
came into force april 1st 2005.

precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand.

http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html

Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here.

Peter R. de Vries opposed this. in short:

because Kuijt had in The Netherlands a history of drug and criminal offenses often very violent with weapons.
he could have known he would be in trouble smuggling drugs through Thailand.
but Kuijt never admitted to the drugs crimes.

Peter R. argues that here in The Netherlands there are also drugs criminals serving long sentences with less evidence about that crime who also don't confess. but the Queen is not speaking out to get them released.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/column/Telegraaf%20Zondag%20column/textcolumnpetertelegraaf012.htm

TY for the treaty update Caesu...looks like the Queen knows which side of the bread her butter is on...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Example

medleyrelay  PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:30 pm        

Bearman Thread!
I have been asked to start a thread about the Bearmans --I am doing this for Anita - so any of you VDS supporters try to help me with this please!!

Jodi Bearman was a chaperone. She has the travel agency and booked/planned the whole trip. She went with them as chaperone and flew back with the FAB 7 to Aruba asa she arrived back in the USA.

She had everything to gain by keeping Joran in the picture because she could have been blamed or sued by the family.

Many of the first rumors came out of her mouth.


.....

medleyrelay  PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:47 pm         

I love all of you -- this is great -- I could never post this at Scrux -- I would have to becareful what WORDS I used -- and what I plan to do here is give Anita this thread link so she can just stop in an see what is here -- hopefully you will all be nice and if you do not have anything to say about this - please dont say anything that would upset Anita -- thanks!!!! Laughing

...

31 pages later...a question:

medleyrelay  PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:30 pm         

Honey
Quote:

Why are y'all posting real life info about Dr. Bearman? He has nothing to do with this case. As far as I know, neither does the Bearman's daughter. If Anita has any idea that Medley requested this thread in her name, I'll eat my keyboard.


medleyrelay:

WEll start chewing Honey!!

I posted the thread yes, I am not responsible for what ends up here -- people should post in good taste -- I do not know what things Anita might be looking for -- I do not think personal info about the Dr. would however be one of them -- but I hope you enjoy your keyboard meal -- will it be the apetizer or the desert??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 08:49:21 PM
39/012 • International
 No Extradition Treaty with Thailand Seen during State Visit

BANGKOK, 20/01/04 - Queen Beatrix yesterday began a five-day state visit to Thailand. Foreign Minister Bernard Bot, who is accompanying her, will try to conclude an extradition treaty but he is not expected to succeed during the trip, say diplomatic sources.

The Queen arrived in Bangkok with Crown Prince Willem-Alexander yesterday after two days acclimatisation in Singapore. The visit marks 400 years of relations between Thailand and the Netherlands. Much attention is however focused on an extradition treaty allowing Dutch prisoners to serve part of their sentence in the Netherlands. A number of countries already have such a treaty.

Next Thursday, Bot will meet with his Thai counterpart to discuss the treaty, as well as bilateral relations and the upcoming Dutch presidency of the EU. Nobody should however expect the treaty to be concluded during the state visit. According to a spokesman for Bot, there are still too many specific legal details that have to be thoroughly discussed.

Fifteen Dutch nationals are in Thai prisons, most for drug-dealing. The best-known is Machiel Kuijt, sentenced to life imprisonment in an appeal case last November after being acquitted by a lower court. He has already been in jail for almost seven years. The treaty is intended to ensure that prisoners would serve a maximum of 8 years in Thailand before their extradition.

in 2004 a extradition treaty was signed with Thailand.
came into force april 1st 2005.

precondition was that first 8 years of the sentence were passed in Thailand.

http://www.minbuza.nl/nl/actueel/persberichten,2004/08/wots_verdrag_tussen_nederland_en_thailand_getekend.html

Machiel Kuijt was extradited in march 2007. and immediately freed over here.

Peter R. de Vries opposed this. in short:

because Kuijt had in The Netherlands a history of drug and criminal offenses often very violent with weapons.
he could have known he would be in trouble smuggling drugs through Thailand.
but Kuijt never admitted to the drugs crimes.

Peter R. argues that here in The Netherlands there are also drugs criminals serving long sentences with less evidence about that crime who also don't confess. but the Queen is not speaking out to get them released.
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/column/Telegraaf%20Zondag%20column/textcolumnpetertelegraaf012.htm

caesu

Thanks...maybe Joran is not strong in current events...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 08:51:15 PM
Arashi Beach is over by the lighthouse.

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/aruba/arashibeach/index.htm

Thank you Buckeye.

Joran, Deepak and Satish all declared in their May 31, 2005 statements that they drove to the lighthouse with Natalee but ... all three stories differ in regards to why they never got out.

No cross examination by interrogators from the getgo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

Joran van der Sloot
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


I drove at the request of the girl in the direction of the Lighthouse, because the girl wanted to see it. After we drove up along side the Lighthouse, I returned to the Sasakiweg (main road?). Joran told me that the girl had fallen asleep.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.

Well, there are Fishermen Huts at Arashi and Joran's statement of May 31 does have the addendum about going in the water....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 09:00:04 PM
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results      
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank. 
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.
 Good news is that on May 29, 2008, Aruba received an 'A'long term and an 'A-2'short term rating.  Aruba's per capita GDP exceeded 25K in 2007 compared to 17K in 1997. 47% increase. The Tourism Sector has demonstrated flexibility and adaptability to external conditions
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 09:05:36 PM
Arashi Beach is over by the lighthouse.

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/aruba/arashibeach/index.htm

Thank you Buckeye.

Joran, Deepak and Satish all declared in their May 31, 2005 statements that they drove to the lighthouse with Natalee but ... all three stories differ in regards to why they never got out.

No cross examination by interrogators from the getgo.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

Joran van der Sloot
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


The girl then had told me that she wanted to go to the North Coast to see sharks. I had told her that there were no sharks to be seen at the North Coast. She answered that there were sharks there and that she had seen them already. We decided to drive into that direction then. We had driven to the "Lighthouse".  On the way there the girl had asked us where we were taking her. She further told us to bring her to the Holiday Inn because the next day she would have to travel back to the United States. We drove past the Lighthouse and after that to the Holiday Inn Hotel.


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


I drove at the request of the girl in the direction of the Lighthouse, because the girl wanted to see it. After we drove up along side the Lighthouse, I returned to the Sasakiweg (main road?). Joran told me that the girl had fallen asleep.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.

Well, there are Fishermen Huts at Arashi and Joran's statement of May 31 does have the addendum about going in the water....

Considering Joran, Deepak and Satish declare in their respective May 31, 2005 statements that they did not get out of the vehicle at the Lighthouse ... "Natalee wanted to go back to the hotel." ... "Natalee and Joran were kissing." ... "Natalee was asleep" ... I tend to believe the addendum to Joran's May 31, 2005 statement was referring to the Marriot Beach.  I could be wrong.

Janet.


Proces Verbaal (PV-statement)

I, Shanira Baldrik Kelly, officer at the Korps Police Aruba, at the Recherche district 2, state the following:

On Tuesday May 31 2005 around 11:20 I, Kelly have interrogated J.A. VAN DER SLOOT.

During the interrogation I, KELLY, have asked the witness, who was in the company of his father if they had stopped somewhere before they dropped of the girl at the hotel.

The witness VAN DER SLOOT had told me that they, in the neighborhood of the Fisherman's huts had stopped briefly.


I, KELLY had further asked the witness VAN DER SLOOT if they had went in the water. The witness VAN DER SLOOT answered that he and the girl only had went into the water up to their feet. During me putting the statement on paper I KELLY, have forgotten to put this in the statement.

Of which I KELLY, made under oath of duty closed and signed on Bubali May 31 2005.

SB Kelly. (signed)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 09:06:02 PM
Same article I posted a few days ago but in english. Confirmation that Valentijn will be headed to Emerson College in Boston.

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8361/val3nb9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 09, 2008, 09:29:11 PM
Valentijn will be best served to keep a low profile while attending college in Boston.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Valentijn will be best served to keep a low profile while attending college in Boston.   ::MonkeyWink::
Someone here noted that Emerson has a campus in The Netherlands -- I bet THAT is where he will be heading.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 09, 2008, 09:32:25 PM
Janet

DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM

“I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee”

Sander June 16:

Joran said that they drove in the direction the "Lighthouse" and that the girl in the neighborhood of Arashi fell asleep. Joran said they turned around at the “Lighthouse”

Not sure I think they were at the beach...but if they were, I think Arashi....more secluded and known for nightime beach parties...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Valentijn will be best served to keep a low profile while attending college in Boston.   ::MonkeyWink::

Somebody will kill him, Paulus, IMHO.

I don't think he'll live to meet his roomie, dude.

You're all just as stupid as everyone thought you were... arrogant SOB too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 09, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
Valentijn will be best served to keep a low profile while attending college in Boston.   ::MonkeyWink::

You got that right.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 09, 2008, 09:49:05 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 09:49:38 PM
Nine kids in the graduating class and the top two are headed for the same college?  It sounds like ISA has a sweet deal with Emerson College.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 09, 2008, 09:55:30 PM
Janet

DEEPAK 6/11/2005 STATEMENT and ADDENDUM

“I had been driving on, in the direction of Arashi. When I arrived at Arashi I stopped the car on the asphalted section. I got out because I had to take a pee”

Sander June 16:

Joran said that they drove in the direction the "Lighthouse" and that the girl in the neighborhood of Arashi fell asleep. Joran said they turned around at the “Lighthouse”

Not sure I think they were at the beach...but if they were, I think Arashi....more secluded and known for nightime beach parties...

I don't have a clue.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Joran changed his story later on to imply that they never drove to the Lighthouse but ... the Kalpoes maintain they did.  Other than Deepak's declaration which states he got out of the vehicle to relieve himself ... there is no indication that they ever got out of the vehicle.

EXCEPT!!!

The June 10, 2005 Confession that "Something bad happened" ...

Why was Natalee's family search for her at "the old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach"?

Janet

+++++++++

Aruba Case Appears Stalled
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005


Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 10:10:33 PM
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results      
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank. 
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.
 Good news is that on May 29, 2008, Aruba received an 'A'long term and an 'A-2'short term rating.  Aruba's per capita GDP exceeded 25K in 2007 compared to 17K in 1997. 47% increase. The Tourism Sector has demonstrated flexibility and adaptability to external conditions
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 




This guy is off his flippin' nut.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 10:14:43 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/



Awesome CAPS, thank you so much.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:14:45 PM
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results      
Monday, 09 June 2008

SNIP

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.


Anybody here seen any airline companies adding flights lately? Did they miss the U.S. news reports that flight fares were going to double and triple in the coming months?  ::MonkeyConfused::  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:18:28 PM
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results      
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank. 
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.




This guy is off his flippin' nut.


With the rates going up we are going to see that only those who have to fly will fly. Most will drive to the vacation destinations. This is actually good news for tourism in the U.S. as fewer people will be leaving the country for vacations.

Smith is just doing his Monty Python routine.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:19:29 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/


Great pics! Thanks Caps, and Rob for posting the link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 09, 2008, 10:19:50 PM
these are NOT my images

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NATCASE-5.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/NATCASE-6.jpg)

++++++++++++++++

This IS MINE

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/OTHERPOND2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Silverfox on June 09, 2008, 10:21:49 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/

My first impression from looking at these photos?  Looks like a good place for kids to go hang out, park and neck (and other things) if you need a place away from public view.... is capslockwizard suggesting that this may be the actual location of where Nat was taken to begin with?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:22:00 PM


This guy is off his flippin' nut.


Carpe, where they'll really get slammed is high season starting in November. People will be booking those flights in the coming months, or should I say WOULD HAVE BEEN  booking their flights.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 09, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/


Great pics! Thanks Caps, and Rob for posting the link.

Dayhiker,
don't thank Caps... thank me... he didn't share.. I did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:26:05 PM
FBI playing second fiddle in Aruba

by Norman 'Gus' Thomas
Caribbean Net News Senior Regional Correspondent
E-mail: rc@caribbeannetnews.com
Wednesday, June 15, 2005


Meanwhile, FBI agents will stay in Aruba and continue to observe from behind the glass, until they called upon to run any further errands.


This line sums it all up.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:30:03 PM

Medley also posted emails from Anita and to Anita....and was instumental in the fund raising for Joe Taco.  Most of this was done at FOB.


I'll bet she raised enough to keep Joe in Starbucks' lattes for a week. We know who's paying Joe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:35:06 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/


Great pics! Thanks Caps, and Rob for posting the link.

Dayhiker,
don't thank Caps... thank me... he didn't share.. I did.


Oh, well an extra thanks to you Bruddah! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 10:37:59 PM
Rob Smith needs to call Baghdad Bob about a new career.

He's heading up Microsoft Vista Customer Service Support these days.

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 09, 2008, 10:38:55 PM
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results      
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank. 
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.
 Good news is that on May 29, 2008, Aruba received an 'A'long term and an 'A-2'short term rating.  Aruba's per capita GDP exceeded 25K in 2007 compared to 17K in 1997. 47% increase. The Tourism Sector has demonstrated flexibility and adaptability to external conditions
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 




Is this the same Anky Bruin that is involved in the Luis Mansur case???   Nah…probably two!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 09, 2008, 10:41:47 PM
anyone anyone Bueller?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 09, 2008, 10:42:21 PM
Valentijn will be best served to keep a low profile while attending college in Boston.   ::MonkeyWink::

Somebody will kill him, Paulus, IMHO.

I don't think he'll live to meet his roomie, dude.

You're all just as stupid as everyone thought you were... arrogant SOB too.


He really should attend under an assumed named. There's always going to be someone out there who wants to make a name for themselves. Joran could be responsible for bringing harm to his brother. Payback's a bitch.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 10:47:17 PM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/

My first impression from looking at these photos?  Looks like a good place for kids to go hang out, park and neck (and other things) if you need a place away from public view.... is capslockwizard suggesting that this may be the actual location of where Nat was taken to begin with?

Correct..Apparently at the Apartments connected to the Den/Vip was a good place to take prostitutes and others for sex. We heard rumors Freddy took his pictures there at the Lions Den and it's not far from that Pond.

I would imagine it would be a good place for a porn producer or pimps to take there victims. Nothing can probably be identified if on video and the victims/prostitutes have no idea where they are,probably no records of anything and tight security. The Apartments sound sleezy but from what we heard about the Den it sounds like the elders went there to do there dirty business. It makes you wonder why the need for all the security and motion detectors/Lasers beams?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 10:48:33 PM
They need to give him a wig, a summer dress, and stilettos. Teach that li'l mf to walk with a switch!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I gotz money on somebody cappin' him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 09, 2008, 10:51:29 PM
anyone anyone Bueller?

alright - since no one can connect one and one -

I'm going back to working on my - my space douchebags videos

good night


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 10:51:45 PM
Hotshot and Reality discussing the Lions Den.

Quote
The Lions Den ………………..what a bunch of BS those people tried to pass off.  Hmmm OK
Right next to what was the VIP Club, a little freaking hole in the wall local bar, across the street from the dreaded Lekker Bar which is in front of the not chained off & not being investigated dry pond.  That is correct on the location.

I walked into the place, I don’t even remember what time at night it was so long ago, but it was dang late, “they” claimed this place was some “whorehouse / compound” for the “elite” of the island with the so called laser beams and found zip, zero nothing!!!!!!!  Guess you didn't have balls enough to walk down the actual driveway where the lazers DO go off, LOLOL.  And when you do go by the lazers, out come men with guns.  Oh wait,  am I just making this up?  Ummmmm "NO"!

I watched the place from the window of Lekker Bar one night looking for activity……. zip, zero, nada, nothing.  didn't look too hard did you?

No security lights, no flashing laser beams, no hot little Latin lady’s waiting to take care of Papi for a small price, Couldn't be more wrong about that. no drugged out blonds, no free X tablets, no beer, no music, absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!!

What use to be the VIP Club is now Indo’s, the best Surinam food you can get on the island, in my opinion.

The building next door is still there, no laser beams WRONG or boogie men have been seen by anyone but the gluebrains who kept claiming to have a bombshell to drop…….that never happened either, LOL.

FWIW, the guy who was stalking Anita & Paul a while a back, the guy with the tat’s up his arm, he was part of the “investigative” group that put that BS out.

You couldn't be more wrong in what you are saying.  Pictures and videos show otherwise, LOLOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 10:54:14 PM
anyone anyone Bueller?

alright - since no one can connect one and one -

I'm going back to working on my - my space douchebags videos

good night


ROFL! G'night Rob.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 09, 2008, 11:06:31 PM
Thanks Rob, you have really been on a roll lately.  I saw that avatar somewhere, not long ago when I was cruising MySpace or one of those sites.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 11:16:23 PM
Rob,

If u are still on...

Are you trying to say CapsLock has been

holding back some things... or lying to us?     ::MonkeyEek::

I know u... you are trying to say something w/out saying it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 11:21:33 PM
Someone has been mighty busy making videos on youtube  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Nice job!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 09, 2008, 11:26:52 PM
*******!!! You always notice.

U R sharp.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 11:28:00 PM
Back to "Capslock's" pics -- did you also click on his "blog"??? Is this all "old hat" to you Shango'ers??


http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/default.aspx


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 09, 2008, 11:29:53 PM
Will someone give me a quick bio on Charles Croes??  Thank you


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 09, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
Same article I posted a few days ago but in english. Confirmation that Valentijn will be headed to Emerson College in Boston.

(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8361/val3nb9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


I wonder if that boy Gianni Ferrara who is mentioned as graduating is the Italian boy kidnapped from Aruba in 1998 and returned after his parents paid an undisclosed amount of ransom? Age seems about right....bet it is him.........used to have link to the article , can't find it now .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 09, 2008, 11:42:06 PM
Good catch BB  ::MonkeyCool::

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
=====================
Also on the same Day that 38 people were arrested,Amy Bradley vanished when arriving in Curacao on a cruise ship.
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

SM Murder and Crime thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg39640


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 09, 2008, 11:49:53 PM
Good catch BB  ::MonkeyCool::

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
=====================
Also on the same Day that 38 people were arrested,Amy Bradley vanished when arriving in Curacao on a cruise ship.
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

SM Murder and Crime thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg39640
WOW! Where were the 38 arrested? Amy Bradley on 3-24-98 as well?? WOW!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 09, 2008, 11:52:51 PM
Back to "Capslock's" pics -- did you also click on his "blog"??? Is this all "old hat" to you Shango'ers??


http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/default.aspx

Hi Wreck...thread 3...LOL!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 09, 2008, 11:53:00 PM
[


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005


In the car, the white blonde said girl said to Joran that they should go to the North side of Aruba to see sharks. Deepak decided to drive to the North side of Aruba so that the girl could see sharks. I saw that when we were on the way to the Lighthouse, Joran was kissing and started fingering the girl. I could not hear what Joran and the girl said because the music in the car was very loud. When we arrived at the Lighthouse, I asked my brother if Joran and the girl would get out of the car to see the sharks. I told my brother that Joran and the little girl were kissing and that they probably would not leave the car.
[/quote

just how would this numbnut have any idea exactly what was going on in the backseat of a darkened car on a dark road unless he was turned around in the seat watching.  he lies through his teeth, and i'll leave the rest of what i'm thinking off about that.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 09, 2008, 11:58:58 PM
Klass, is Charles Croes good or bad?  What is he doing now?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 10, 2008, 12:00:46 AM
[qu
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 


[/quote]


Is this the same Anky Bruin that is involved in the Luis Mansur case???   Nah…probably two!!!
[/quote]

of course, and they don't know each other either.
dennisintn   (said by me with just a small hint of sarcasm)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 12:01:58 AM
Klass, is Charles Croes good or bad?  What is he doing now?
Not to answer for Klaas, but I think most here lean to the "bad" side. He really sealed his reputation with me when he was quoted in the "Vanity Fair" article as saying Natalee 'wasn't worth the fuss'!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 12:03:23 AM
Klass, is Charles Croes good or bad?  What is he doing now?

Always1 - I can't really answer your question.  My guess is Charles Croes is typical of a small island mindset and is protective of his livelyhood.  As far as I know he's still in Aruba and still has his ArubaFastPhones business.

Edited to add:  I am not a fan of Charles Croes  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
Good catch BB  ::MonkeyCool::

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
=====================
Also on the same Day that 38 people were arrested,Amy Bradley vanished when arriving in Curacao on a cruise ship.
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

SM Murder and Crime thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg39640
WOW! Where were the 38 arrested? Amy Bradley on 3-24-98 as well?? WOW!
38 people is a lot!  ::MonkeyEek::

It appears that a lot happened with the Mobs in 1998. Smid was running the big money laundering investigation at the Excelsior and a few months later Posner took it over from the Cuntrera-Caruana clan..It wouldn't suprise me at all if the if the ferreras were caught up in all of this. I am convinced these Italian Mobsters and those associated with Posner are still major heavyweights on that island. Why was the boy kidnapped and all of those people arrested?

I bet if Jossy wanted to...He could tell us who is really at work behind the scenes and who really owns that island..And since the Lions Den was brought up..I am sure he could tell us all about that place and the sex partys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 10, 2008, 12:07:24 AM
[qu
Smith took this opportunity to explain the recent restructuring of tourism professionals in AHATA: Rob Smith -President & CEO, Sanju Luidens-Daryanani -Director of Destination Marketing, Nathaly Wouters -Manager Revenue Development Finance & Administration, Sherry Bidgood-Flanegin-Project Manager E-Commerce, Doreen Boekhoudt -Director of Membership, PR and Communication, Anky Bruin -Office Manager, Ayerim Maduro -Meetings & Events Services Coordinator, colleen Lessard-NA Leisure Sales Manager, Adwina Arends -COOP Advertising Manager ATA/AHATA, Pim Geerdink -Trainee, StendenUniversity
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Officers of the Board: Ewald Biemans -Bucuti -Chairman, Alex Nieuwmeyer -DiviResorts -1stVice Chairman, Warren Stanley -Atlantis -2ndVice Chairman, Javier Wolter -Caribbean Mercantile Bank -Treasurer, Lisette Malmberg -De Palm Tours -Secretary
2008 BOARD OF DIRECTORS: Directors: Eduardo de Veer -Renaissance Aruba, Joe Najjar -La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club, Rick Zeolla -Aruba Marriott Resort, Guillermo Valencia -Holiday Inn SunSpreeResort, Gary Jutz -Radisson Aruba Resort & Spa, Andres Pichardo-Occidental Grand Aruba, Matt Balcik -Westin Aruba,  Peter Steinmetz -Aruba Airport Authority.
The event concluded with an additional announcement of the retirement of CMB President Bill Carson and the promotion of Javier Wolters to take over his position. Carson is a long time friend of Aruba and although he and his wife Joy will be retiring in Florida, their son Justin will continue to reside on the island.
 




Is this the same Anky Bruin that is involved in the Luis Mansur case???   Nah…probably two!!!
[/quote]

of course, and they don't know each other either.
dennisintn   (said by me with just a small hint of sarcasm)
[/quote]

LOL...of course there are two or of course it is the one involved in the LEM trial?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 10, 2008, 12:07:52 AM
Thanks so much for both of your answers!  Nite!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 10, 2008, 12:10:47 AM


I watched the place from the window of Lekker Bar one night looking for activity……. zip, zero, nada, nothing.  didn't look too hard did you?

No security lights, no flashing laser beams, no hot little Latin lady’s waiting to take care of Papi for a small price, Couldn't be more wrong about that. no drugged out blonds, no free X tablets, no beer, no music, absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!!

olor] [/quote]
[/quote]

no beer? no music?, absolutely nothing?  in a bar?  i think he must have been sitting in someone's garage by himself.
dennisintn
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 12:17:08 AM
Klass, is Charles Croes good or bad?  What is he doing now?

always 1

Within 30 minutes of Beth and Jug’s 11:00 PM arrival on the Island … Eric Williams contacts Charles Croes in regards to a cell phone message … a message Beth believes may be Natalee’s voice.

Within two hours of Beth and Jug's arrival on the island there is a 1:30 AM meeting with Charles Croes at a gas station.

However ... in LOVING NATALEE Beth fails to mention the phone message as the reason for the meeting.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++

CHARLES CROES ... THE CELL MESSAGE
 
Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta
June 30, 2005

 
CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

<snipped>

C. CROES: ,,, And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

++++++++++

Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008


1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006


15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM


There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173

++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 42
- Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information.  They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 12:29:37 AM
always 1

CHARLES CROES - MAY 31, 2005: 1:30 AM - 6:00 AM

Beth Holloway
Loving Natalee

Page 41-53


+++++++++++

Visit Aruba
June 2, 2005


There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.

I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength

charles
arubafastphones.com

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418

++++++++

One year later ....

Charles Croes
Vanity Fair Article
June 2, 2006


"They're killing Aruba," says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. "That girl, Natalee, I wish she'd stayed home. I hope she's found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?"

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true

++++++++++


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 12:33:32 AM
Tamikosmom:
Quote
One year later ....

Charles Croes
Vanity Fair Article
June 2, 2006

"They're killing Aruba," says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. "That girl, Natalee, I wish she'd stayed home. I hope she's found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?"

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true
Thanks, Tamikosmom! That sealed it for me!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 12:53:56 AM
You are welcome Wreck.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
9:55 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 01:18:39 AM
Rob - Justin?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 01:41:52 AM
Rob - Justin?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 01:44:16 AM
Rob - Justin?

http://capslockwizard.blogspot.com/




I don't know how I ended up with these multiple posts.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: finngirl on June 10, 2008, 02:32:43 AM
Good catch BB  ::MonkeyCool::

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
=====================
Also on the same Day that 38 people were arrested,Amy Bradley vanished when arriving in Curacao on a cruise ship.
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

SM Murder and Crime thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg39640
WOW! Where were the 38 arrested? Amy Bradley on 3-24-98 as well?? WOW!
38 people is a lot!  ::MonkeyEek::

It appears that a lot happened with the Mobs in 1998. Smid was running the big money laundering investigation at the Excelsior and a few months later Posner took it over from the Cuntrera-Caruana clan..It wouldn't suprise me at all if the if the ferreras were caught up in all of this. I am convinced these Italian Mobsters and those associated with Posner are still major heavyweights on that island. Why was the boy kidnapped and all of those people arrested?

I bet if Jossy wanted to...He could tell us who is really at work behind the scenes and who really owns that island..And since the Lions Den was brought up..I am sure he could tell us all about that place and the sex partys.

IIRC the boy was moved around NUMEROUS times
and many of those arrested were LE

had a lot re the case saved at one time ...
can't locate any of it now

this is all I could find tonight
and to read further requires submitting credit card
to enroll in "free trial":

Feb 16, 1998
An eight-year-old Italian boy was kidnapped on the Caribbean island of Aruba after armed men tied up his well-to-do family and injected them with sedatives, the boy's mother said. Gianni Giuliano Ferrara was taken from his family's home 10 days ago and has not been heard from since, Filomena Ferrera ...

From Kidnap boy, 8, drugged. - Birmingham Evening Mail ($$)

May 25, 1998
Perhaps the most frightening recent development was the kidnapping of the young son of a prominent family on the Dutch island of Aruba. The boy was released in Venezuela after a multimillion-dollar ransom payment, law enforcement sources said. Officials say they believe the motive behind the ...

From ISLAND DRUG ACTIVITY WORRIES ENFORCERS - Miami Herald ($$)

http://tinyurl.com/4etloo

(created tinyurl from huge google search link)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: finngirl on June 10, 2008, 02:42:56 AM
They linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office. 
::MonkeyWink::

reminded me of these golden oldies  :wink:

igsigs Says: April 15th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Glenda says she does not know who it is…but the arrest is not related to J2K.

God, she will be humping Joran’s leg all the way to KIA.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

from Deetch/undated:
Breaking News: van der Sloot to go to court to stop the search using cadaver dogs.

It seems they keep escaping and ending up in front of the van der Sloot property barking wildly.

The last time the dogs were returned to the dunes they seemed to pick up a stray.

Dog trainers have apologized to Julia Renfro for the confusion.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 10, 2008, 03:42:14 AM
They linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office. 
::MonkeyWink::

reminded me of these golden oldies  :wink:

igsigs Says: April 15th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Glenda says she does not know who it is…but the arrest is not related to J2K.

God, she will be humping Joran’s leg all the way to KIA.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

from Deetch/undated:
Breaking News: van der Sloot to go to court to stop the search using cadaver dogs.

It seems they keep escaping and ending up in front of the van der Sloot property barking wildly.

The last time the dogs were returned to the dunes they seemed to pick up a stray.

Dog trainers have apologized to Julia Renfro for the confusion.




I'm gone for 24-36 hours, come back to check for news and as my eyes quickly scan the post that pops up what I get is:

barely human......filthy creature......Glenda humping Joran on the way to KIA. 

I have to stop coming here in the wee hours.  My tummy is churning ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 04:54:40 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5082005,00.html

Forth man arrested identified
4th Man Detained in Aruba Disappearance

Friday June 17, 2005 8:46 PM
AP Photo NYET250
By PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A party boat disc jockey was detained Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities and his employer said.

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes was the fourth person detained in the May 30 disappearance of Holloway, 18. Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

Croes was a DJ on the Tattoo, which offers nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.

``I've never had problems with him,'' Wiggins told the AP. ``He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job.''

Wiggins also said he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat.

<snip>
**************************************************
I tend to believe that the suspect arrested on 6/11/05 was not related to this case.  Why?  Because that person was arrested during an early moring raid by the police.  So far anyone related to this case that has anything to do with it, relative to the three last seen with her, are contacted by police and then mosey on down to the station at their convenience.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 06:08:25 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  For the first time, Aruban authorities on Friday detailed their suspicions in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search), saying they believe the Alabama teen was murdered.

Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder. A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

<snip>

Joran's story is coming under even more scrutiny now that his mother, Anita, has acknowledged that Joran has changed his story about the night of Natalee's disappearance. In an interview with The Associated Press on Thursday, his mother said Joran now admits to being alone with Holloway on a beach but that he still denies hurting Holloway.

<snip>

Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee Holloway's mother, has insisted that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know what happened to her daughter and that police should press them harder to tell the truth. She has asked why the three were initially released after only a couple of hours of questioning, and arrested more than a week later.

Anita van der Sloot also questioned that tactic. She told FOX News: "Joran should have been interrogated from the beginning. But they let the kids go."

Separately Friday, a source familiar with the investigation told FOX the FBI only has three agents in Aruba working on the case, down from seven. The source, who requested anonymity, said the team has been reduced because there is not much to investigate now that arrests have been made.
***************************************

You must be kidding, there is not much to investigate?   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anita saying the kids should have been interrogated earlier?   First she says Sporter didn't lie (after having him in therapy for being a liar), then she says they should have been questioned earlier, but they let the kids go.  Sounds like when they arrested her husband, she was starting to throw Sporter under the bus.  I wonder what happened to make her stop?
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 06:10:23 AM
Hi San.

 :smt006


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 07:02:59 AM
 AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith give positive results     
Monday, 09 June 2008

Last week, the Aruba Tourism and Hotel Association (AHATA) held a very informative and positive meeting for members of the press and executives in the tourism sector. The event was held at Mr. Jazz in the Paseo Herencia Mall and sponsored by Caribbean Mercantile Bank.
AHATA’s CEO Rob Smith led the meeting giving a positive presentation including recent tourism statistics and results as well as future projections referencing the economic situation in the USA as 70% of Aruba’s visitors are from USA.

  The current cutbacks recently announced by American Airlines was also explained by Smith. He stated that any decrease in airlift to Aruba, even as slight as it is for Aruba compared to other Caribbean destinations will affect the island, but it will not be a devastating situation as other carriers can fill the transportation schedule to Aruba.

 Good news is that on May 29, 2008, Aruba received an 'A'long term and an 'A-2'short term rating.  Aruba's per capita GDP exceeded 25K in 2007 compared to 17K in 1997. 47% increase. The Tourism Sector has demonstrated flexibility and adaptability to external conditions[/b]

So...Natalee is now referred to as an *external condition?*....more so, Urine is an external condition...he can't stop flappin' that fat face of his...it's only a matter of time folks....

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 07:11:47 AM
Nine kids in the graduating class and the top two are headed for the same college?  It sounds like ISA has a sweet deal with Emerson College.

Know what I think SS...when you are born and raised in a culture...one that is based on total acceptence of lies as truth...and you need someone to back up your lies, to make them truth....when/if you leave that culture, you MUST have someone with you, who is there to back up your skewed reality...or you will just go nuts.....the buddy system....betcha a lot of kids from Aruba...the *sporter* ones...all go to the same colleges...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 07:27:50 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161179,00.html

Aruba Official: Body Not Needed to Prosecute
Thursday, June 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruba's attorney general said Thursday she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search) even if the Alabama teenager's body is not found.

<snip>

Janssen said the elder van der Sloot gave his son and the Kalpoe brothers legal advice, telling them that "without a body there is no case."

"He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared," Janssen told the AP.

Janssen also alleged Paul van der Sloot, a 52-year-old judge in training in Aruba, obstructed authorities' investigation by asking one of his son's friends, who had been interrogated, what he told police.

But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation.

<snip>
*******************************
Well then wth are you waiting for?  Go get them.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 10, 2008, 07:31:31 AM
They linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office. 
::MonkeyWink::

reminded me of these golden oldies  :wink:

igsigs Says: April 15th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Glenda says she does not know who it is…but the arrest is not related to J2K.

God, she will be humping Joran’s leg all the way to KIA.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

from Deetch/undated:
Breaking News: van der Sloot to go to court to stop the search using cadaver dogs.

It seems they keep escaping and ending up in front of the van der Sloot property barking wildly.

The last time the dogs were returned to the dunes they seemed to pick up a stray.

Dog trainers have apologized to Julia Renfro for the confusion.




I'm gone for 24-36 hours, come back to check for news and as my eyes quickly scan the post that pops up what I get is:

barely human......filthy creature......Glenda humping Joran on the way to KIA. 

I have to stop coming here in the wee hours.  My tummy is churning ::MonkeyLaugh::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


roflmao!!!
First post I read this morning...what a great way to start the day!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 10, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
Klass, is Charles Croes good or bad?  What is he doing now?

mho...BAD< BAD< BAD!!!!!
He knows exactly what was said the first night that Beth and Jug arrived including paulus stating the 4am pickup of joran...why not tell what REALLY happened!!

Plus he has some serious delusions about his ability to write poetry. ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 10, 2008, 08:13:08 AM
Posted at RU this morning by Heli. Hope it is true!!! Would be HUGE publicity for the case!!!

Quote
So what about this:

Patrick will conquer the US with his own book about his experiences as an infiltrator in Joran's case. He signed a contract with a known literary agent.
Next week the rights will be sold by offer in the US

That was confirmed yesterday by his Dutch representative/agent, Peter Schouten. "There's a large interest, he says. "The agent sees a possible big hit in his undercover operation" In the US the literary agent David Vigliano signed earlier already for books which were sold by the millions.

Van der Eem travelled yesterday evening to Aruba, where he will tell his story to an American writer who will note down his story. The first chapter will be published in a big American newspaper, The New York Post. The book will be brought out in the US by the name of 'Disposed", and also tells about how his family experienced the undercover operation. The publishing of his book was leaked out to the Telegraaf, when Van der Eem let himself be photographed for the cover of the book, together with his family.


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3321707/_Eigen_boek_Patrick_in_VS__.html?p=2,1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 10, 2008, 08:19:42 AM
Posted at RU this morning by Heli. Hope it is true!!! Would be HUGE publicity for the case!!!

Quote
So what about this:

Patrick will conquer the US with his own book about his experiences as an infiltrator in Joran's case. He signed a contract with a known literary agent.
Next week the rights will be sold by offer in the US

That was confirmed yesterday by his Dutch representative/agent, Peter Schouten. "There's a large interest, he says. "The agent sees a possible big hit in his undercover operation" In the US the literary agent David Vigliano signed earlier already for books which were sold by the millions.

Van der Eem travelled yesterday evening to Aruba, where he will tell his story to an American writer who will note down his story. The first chapter will be published in a big American newspaper, The New York Post. The book will be brought out in the US by the name of 'Disposed", and also tells about how his family experienced the undercover operation. The publishing of his book was leaked out to the Telegraaf, when Van der Eem let himself be photographed for the cover of the book, together with his family.


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3321707/_Eigen_boek_Patrick_in_VS__.html?p=2,1



oops...older post from Feb that is being revisited ::MonkeyTongue::

somehow I missed this one..lol...but any confirmation? The New York Post...that would be huge!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 10, 2008, 08:26:37 AM
O/T  Monday evening mind fart...Destiny  ::MonkeyTongue::


I was walking past the

mental hospital the other day,

and all the patients

were shouting,

 

'13...13....13.'

 

The fence was too high to see over,

but I saw a little gap in

the planks, so I

looked through to see what

was going on.....


Some idiot poked me in

the eye with a stick!


Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

 




Thank You, I just spit my coffee all over my desk, that was funny. hahahahhaha


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 08:30:33 AM
When is a witness not a witness?  In Aruba when they can be retroactively made a suspect to cover their lies.

When is a suspect not a suspect?  In Aruba when they are charged in secret with being a suspect so they don't upset the family, but have not charged in public with being a suspect yet.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Confused?  If not, congratulations, you have just graduated from being a judge-in-training, Aruba style.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,161375,00.html

<snip>

"The three have been charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway (search) from the beginning" of their arrest 10 days after the young woman went missing May 30, she said in a recorded interview. "At the time, we didn't want to upset the family talking about murder while they searched."

The attorney general and other Aruban officials have said for weeks that no one has been charged in the 18-year-old's disappearance. Janssen said authorities also withheld information about the charges in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

The government spokesman, Ruben Trapenberg, contacted the AP following the English-language interview with Janssen.

"This is a question of semantics. It's been a problem since day one," Trapenberg said. "The charging is a formal process that happens later on. It could happen as soon as Monday."

Return calls to Janssen were not immediately returned.

<snip>

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 10, 2008, 08:31:32 AM
via Google

Aruban Minister tells half the truth about the drugsmaffia

"The Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba, Croes drew a rosy picture of the efforts of Aruba against drug trafficking and laundering of criminal funds, says Tom Blickman. He writes a book about the Cuntrera mafia family. According to him there is talk of drug trafficking on the island and maintaining contacts with criminals Aruban politicians. "


-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

The Minister Plenipotentiary of Aruba, Croes, complains that Aruba was wrong in a bad light states, as would the island "a slowly deprivation Caribbean society dominated by mafia families, suspected laundered money flows, drugstransporten and secret bank accounts."

Obsolete gossip, achterklap and untruths, according Croes. His anger was generated by a previously published article in Het Parool, 'like the U.S. drugsmaffia away from Aruba, a report by the years of attempts by the United States four Aruban businessmen extradited to obtain. They are accused of involvement with Mafia families, suspected laundered money flows, drugstransporten and secret bank accounts. In his response ignores the Minister these charges.

Croes draws up a very rosy picture of the efforts of Aruba against drug trafficking and money laundering. It would take too long at each jubelkreet an observation post, but let there a couple under the microscope. First, the allegation that the Americans are so positive about the progress of Aruba in the fight against money laundering would be.

Questionable

Croes however forget that President Clinton Aruba had put on the list of countries that pose a threat to the U.S. because of their large role in the drug trade. The International Narcotics Control Strategy Report published by the U.S. State Department noted that there was "questionable relationships between Aruban government officials and known drug traffickers and money launderers."

Then the question of providing hand-along members of the Aruban government to the Colombian mafia family Cuntrera. Croes Het Parool accuses of providing false information. Partly, he is right: the Cuntrera's not come from Colombia, but of pure Sicilian Mafia-manufacture. But that's not true Croes is about evil.

What about now, actually with the services of Henny Eman Premier and Minister of Justice Watty Vos with Cuntrera? It concerns the signature of Premier Eman under the settlement of the nightclub 'Visage' of the Cuntrera's January 28, 1987. Eman claims that he did not knew who the Cuntrera's. Moreover, the previous government of his political opponent Nelson Oduber have prepared the licence so that he, Eman, they could not refuse.

This latest addition is already suspected that something was the first allegation is not true. First, it is important to know who and what the family Cuntrera. They are known as "the Rothschilds of the Mafia, because of their central role in the laundering of drugs.  An Italian newspaper reported that the Cuntrera family 60 percent of Aruba's alleged possession. "The first state that has been bought by the bosses of Cosa Nostra", the headline in the newspaper. They would have invested millions of dollars in hotels, casinos and the election of a prime minister.

Minister Croes claims that "no affiliate police intelligence 'the indication was that they were involved in drug trafficking and money laundering. That is untrue. Since 1983 were by the Italian police arrest warrants issued against the Cuntrera-clan. But perhaps the Italian police was not "geaffillieerd."

In Venezuela was  a  scandal  about the infiltration of the Italian mafia in the national economy, where the Cuntrera's in the newspapers were unmasked. Maybe even the Venezuelans were not allies and are read in Aruba not the Venezuelan newspapers, although at one hour flight from the capital Caracas, and many business contacts. On Aruba itself? Even though we knew for the provision of the settlement where the Cuntrera's doing. Thanks, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, who in Aruba the track followed by the drugskoerier Sabatino Nicolucci. This often traveled to Aruba, where he stayed in the Holliday Inn.

During the survey asked Canadian agents, along with the head of the Aruban police, the telephone at the hotel. Major confusion: Nicolucci was not registered. The room was reserved and paid for by Pas quale Cuntrera. Nicolucci was in 1985 sentenced to 14 years for cocaine trafficking as a result of this investigation.

Aruba was a link in the smuggling activities of the Cuntrera's. Despite the Cuntrera's got a settlement, even if it was known to the Aruban police. The course of events surrounding the granting of the licence would suggest that we knew that it was not fluff.

Why refused the Minister of Economic Affairs from the first cabinet-Eman, Leonard Berlinski, the establishment in the first instance?

Berlinski went off on the advice of his officials: establishment of the Cuntrera's was not desirable "because the general interest of Aruba so progresses." Shortly after the permits were rejected, Berlinski had to resign amid rumours of bribes during the sale of the hotel where acquaintances of the Cuntrera casino collapsed. Berlinski is acquitted of corruption.

After the resignation of Berlinski was again a request for eeen establishment, by notary Maria Albertina Eman, the sister of Prime Minister Henny Eman. Despite the negative again opinions of the officials of Economic Affairs, drew Eman as ad interim minister. This is the state of affairs surrounding the granting of permits to the Cuntrera's. A affair "in odore di mafla ', as the Italians call: with a mafia-air.

The Plenipotentiary Minister gives only a laundered version of the story, which plays the hero Eman. Only in 1988 after Business Week in an extensive article the heroin shipments and the laundering of the Cuntrera-clan in Canada unveiled, the Cuntrera's in Aruba by Eman to persona non grata technology. Moreover, only after they themselves had left voluntarily. Not for long indeed: at least until 1992, they were still regularly on the island.

Croes find it annoying that Aruba is always confronted with this kind of 'oudbakken archiefjournalistiek. " There is another interesting piece oudbakken on the issue: a motion of the States of Aruba on October 14, 1992 was adopted. It says that there's secret ties between the Aruban People's Party (the Party of Eman) and the Cuntrera family. "

Ex-Minister of Justice Edgar J. Vos and ex-Prime Minister J.H.A. Eman, the family 'preferential treatment', says the motion. The Assembly invited the two gentlemen 'to leave the political arena. " It also called for "a thorough investigation by a parliamentary inquiry 'to' the benefits (Eman and Fox) have gained because of the preferential treatment." Eman and Vos gave their seats and not of a parliamentary inquiry was never heard anything more. Eman was again prime minister of Aruba and Vos Minister of Justice. Both are now demissionair.

Credit

Their party, which soon turn the elections must be sponsored by the zakenfamilie Mansur. The U.S. now asks for extradition of two members of the family because of money laundering. The Mansur's also maintaining close ties with the family Cuntrera.

In 1988, the Interbank of the Mansur a loan of 1.8 million Aruban guilders to the Cuntrera's. That was before the family in Aruba were unmasked. For the bank no reason for the break in relations. An account of the family at the Interbank was used - well after the drugs and money laundering had become known - for payment of a drugstransactie as shown by information from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the American antinarcotica service.

Oudbakken these facts at all. All key players are still active, including the Cuntrera family. One of the maflosi from the clan holds the European record cocaine seizures: 5 tons of cocaine in a container shoes in Turin in 1994.

So there are facts to indicate which suggest that in Aruba in the hand is more than the rosy picture what Mr Croes sketches. Unless he points of his own parliament as "achterklap and untruths' views.

"No more suspicions and rumors, but facts serve the image of Aruba to determine", writes Croes. Indeed. It would be the Minister Plenipotentiary adorn themselves no half-truths to preach, but to his well-known facts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 08:47:42 AM
You have to love the google translator.  From above:

Croes is about evil.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 08:47:51 AM
Berlinski went off on the advice of his officials: establishment of the Cuntrera's was not desirable "because the general interest of Aruba so progresses." Shortly after the permits were rejected, Berlinski had to resign amid rumours of bribes during the sale of the hotel where acquaintances of the Cuntrera casino collapsed. Berlinski is acquitted of corruption.
-------------------------------
The Sicilian/Colombian Mob became to well known,so Croes issued the Permits and granted ownership of the Hotels and Casino's to someone not as well known,the Italian Mob out of chicago led by front man Michael Posner. Who is also most likely related to this same Cartel out of Italy. As a matter of fact they are all linked to this cartel...The MEP,AVP,Mansurs et all... Not a suprise when they are rumored to own half the island. They never left there investments,they have been running everything behind plain view and under protection of the Aruban Govt. I think the connection with Tacopina and Italy is obvious.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 08:50:50 AM
When is a witness not a witness?  In Aruba when they can be retroactively made a suspect to cover their lies.

When is a suspect not a suspect?  In Aruba when they are charged in secret with being a suspect so they don't upset the family, but have not charged in public with being a suspect yet.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Confused?  If not, congratulations, you have just graduated from being a judge-in-training, Aruba style.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,161375,00.html

<snip>

"The three have been charged with the murder of Natalee Holloway (search) from the beginning" of their arrest 10 days after the young woman went missing May 30, she said in a recorded interview. "At the time, we didn't want to upset the family talking about murder while they searched."

The attorney general and other Aruban officials have said for weeks that no one has been charged in the 18-year-old's disappearance. Janssen said authorities also withheld information about the charges in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

The government spokesman, Ruben Trapenberg, contacted the AP following the English-language interview with Janssen.

"This is a question of semantics. It's been a problem since day one," Trapenberg said. "The charging is a formal process that happens later on. It could happen as soon as Monday."

Return calls to Janssen were not immediately returned.

<snip>

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Aruba Suspects Could Be Charged Monday
Friday , July 01, 2005

(reference for above)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 09:18:18 AM
For those that read around....Medley is billybob at RU.  I knew I didn't like billbob and now I know why.

Pragmatist wrote (refering to post made by billybob):

I hope that dodo bird was meant for me! It is a dodo bird, right? Well, anyway, I hope so and I hope it was for me and not the cops.

I see by the link to the picture you have access to Medleyrelay's photobucket account! Now I understand your love of all things VDS!

How IS the family these days?

As for my theory being so flawed you couldn't even comment on it....I am going to assume now that I got too close for comfort! Wink
   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yep, that's why I posted this yesterday  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/authorpic40bb.jpg)
Good morning Monkeys
So does this mean that Medley=Jan Brennan=renskank's sister or Mama?Because that image of Jan looks an awful lot like renskank.....give renskank about 5 more years of baking in the hot aruban sun,plop a cowboy hat on her frizzy head and this could be a image of renskank.
::::gagging on coffee::::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 09:19:56 AM
O/T  Monday evening mind fart...Destiny  ::MonkeyTongue::


I was walking past the

mental hospital the other day,

and all the patients

were shouting,

 

'13...13....13.'

 

The fence was too high to see over,

but I saw a little gap in

the planks, so I

looked through to see what

was going on.....


Some idiot poked me in

the eye with a stick!


Then they all started shouting '14....14....14'...

 


::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 10, 2008, 09:26:36 AM
Hotshot and Reality discussing the Lions Den.

Quote
The Lions Den ………………..what a bunch of BS those people tried to pass off.  Hmmm OK
Right next to what was the VIP Club, a little freaking hole in the wall local bar, across the street from the dreaded Lekker Bar which is in front of the not chained off & not being investigated dry pond.  That is correct on the location.

I walked into the place, I don’t even remember what time at night it was so long ago, but it was dang late, “they” claimed this place was some “whorehouse / compound” for the “elite” of the island with the so called laser beams and found zip, zero nothing!!!!!!!  Guess you didn't have balls enough to walk down the actual driveway where the lazers DO go off, LOLOL.  And when you do go by the lazers, out come men with guns.  Oh wait,  am I just making this up?  Ummmmm "NO"!

I watched the place from the window of Lekker Bar one night looking for activity……. zip, zero, nada, nothing.  didn't look too hard did you?

No security lights, no flashing laser beams, no hot little Latin lady’s waiting to take care of Papi for a small price, Couldn't be more wrong about that. no drugged out blonds, no free X tablets, no beer, no music, absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!!

What use to be the VIP Club is now Indo’s, the best Surinam food you can get on the island, in my opinion.

The building next door is still there, no laser beams WRONG or boogie men have been seen by anyone but the gluebrains who kept claiming to have a bombshell to drop…….that never happened either, LOL.

FWIW, the guy who was stalking Anita & Paul a while a back, the guy with the tat’s up his arm, he was part of the “investigative” group that put that BS out.

You couldn't be more wrong in what you are saying.  Pictures and videos show otherwise, LOLOL

 Reality is in the UK, this deliberate misinformation ,I believe would come from MIP6 or someone from Aruba IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 09:54:38 AM
http://capslockwizard.spaces.live.com/photos/
Great before and after pics of the pond,thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 10, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Morning Klaas!!

How did I miss the article in Feb about Patrick's book? I mean I knew it was coming out about September...but didn't realize they were going to be doing such a big promo in the US...nor run a chapter in the New York Post.

Any confirmations or is it all speculation. It could really help in bringing Natalee's case to the forefront again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 10, 2008, 09:58:46 AM
Janet, thank you for the information about Charles Croes.  Where I was going with that was I read somewhere "Charles Croes, owner of Digicel and Aruba Fast Phones Cellphone Company.  The Digicel Tower was where the shoes were found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 10:04:23 AM
Morning Klaas!!

How did I miss the article in Feb about Patrick's book? I mean I knew it was coming out about September...but didn't realize they were going to be doing such a big promo in the US...nor run a chapter in the New York Post.

Any confirmations or is it all speculation. It could really help in bringing Natalee's case to the forefront again.

That is the information that was available in February.  I think Patrick's website says the book will be out in September in the US now.  Guess we will have to wait and see.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 10:06:05 AM
Janet, thank you for the information about Charles Croes.  Where I was going with that was I read somewhere "Charles Croes, owner of Digicel and Aruba Fast Phones Cellphone Company.  The Digicel Tower was where the shoes were found.

I believe Digicel is the service provider Charles Croes offers at Aruba Fast Phones (Charles doesn't own Digicel).  I'm sure there are many Digicel towers on Aruba. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 10, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
Quote
  Ahata: 2008 is going to be a good year despite the recession in the US

ORANJESTAD – The prospects for the tourism for the rest of this year look good, said Rob Smith, director of Hotel- and Tourism Organization Ahata.  He anticipates that 2008 will close with 76.5 percent room occupancy, which is going to look like 2005, which was the best year ever for our island.  Despite the fact that the oil prices continue to increase and the threatening danger of an American recession, Ahata is ‘moderately optimistic’ about the tourism in Aruba, says Smith.  There are several factors that make sure that the number of tourists in Aruba remains stable, such as the big number of timeshares on the island; also the fact that Aruba is a so-called short haul (1 to 3 hours flight) destination helps.   

Aruba also takes advantage of the strong euro.  “The fact that our currency is linked to the American dollar, makes Aruba cheaper for the European market”, said Smith.  Besides Aruba has an extremely high number of gateways for the region; airports from where airline companies can fly to Aruba; travelers can easily reach Aruba from these gateways, which is a plus.

Still, Ahata is concerned about the fuel crisis and its consequences for the fares of the airline tickets.  Also the crisis on the American mortgage market has effect on the number of American tourists.  From inquiries it appeared that 75 percent of the American tourists in Aruba have a house of their own and that 13 percent have investments in real estate.  The high fuel prices and the threatening American recession are also worrisome issues for Minister Edison Briesen of Transport and Tourism.  Briesen hinted in the media last week that the high fuel prices can have ‘disastrous’ consequences for our island.  With this he refers to the recent flight cancellations by American Airlines.  We must urgently look for alternatives, said the minister.  Alternatives are attracting more tourists from South-America and Europe.  He is also considering marketing cooperation with other islands in the region. 

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

as said before:

S-America isn't going to bring simular amounts of money in.
and due to high fuel prices and eco-taxes Europeans are not coming all the way to Aruba.

so with the combination of recession in the USA and high fuel prices / European eco-taxes, Aruba is doomed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 10, 2008, 10:24:19 AM
not related, but to show how determined Peter R. de Vries is:

the guy in my signature - chased by Peter R. de Vries, today got a 12 years prison sentence for killing his wife in 1996.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/dossiers/gondasmit/dossier.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 10:26:21 AM
They linked this substance to a horrendous creature known to whore around Aruba and is barely human. They plan on apprehending the filthy creature in the Morning at the Aruba Today office. 
::MonkeyWink::

reminded me of these golden oldies  :wink:

igsigs Says: April 15th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Glenda says she does not know who it is…but the arrest is not related to J2K.

God, she will be humping Joran’s leg all the way to KIA.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

from Deetch/undated:
Breaking News: van der Sloot to go to court to stop the search using cadaver dogs.

It seems they keep escaping and ending up in front of the van der Sloot property barking wildly.

The last time the dogs were returned to the dunes they seemed to pick up a stray.

Dog trainers have apologized to Julia Renfro for the confusion
.



OMG....roflmao!!!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 10:35:22 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5082005,00.html

Forth man arrested identified
4th Man Detained in Aruba Disappearance

Friday June 17, 2005 8:46 PM
AP Photo NYET250
By PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A party boat disc jockey was detained Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities and his employer said.

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes was the fourth person detained in the May 30 disappearance of Holloway, 18. Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

Croes was a DJ on the Tattoo, which offers nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.

``I've never had problems with him,'' Wiggins told the AP. ``He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job.''

Wiggins also said he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat.

<snip>
**************************************************
I tend to believe that the suspect arrested on 6/11/05 was not related to this case.  Why?  Because that person was arrested during an early moring raid by the police.  So far anyone related to this case that has anything to do with it, relative to the three last seen with her, are contacted by police and then mosey on down to the station at their convenience.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

So Steve Croes got a request from ale to come down and make a statement?Was this his first statement and if so....how did the ale know Steve had anything to state?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 10:45:57 AM
An interview with Beth 10/07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7mUXQSSJZo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 10:50:51 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5082005,00.html

Forth man arrested identified
4th Man Detained in Aruba Disappearance

Friday June 17, 2005 8:46 PM
AP Photo NYET250
By PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A party boat disc jockey was detained Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities and his employer said.

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes was the fourth person detained in the May 30 disappearance of Holloway, 18. Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

Croes was a DJ on the Tattoo, which offers nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.

``I've never had problems with him,'' Wiggins told the AP. ``He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job.''

Wiggins also said he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat.

<snip>
**************************************************
I tend to believe that the suspect arrested on 6/11/05 was not related to this case.  Why?  Because that person was arrested during an early moring raid by the police.  So far anyone related to this case that has anything to do with it, relative to the three last seen with her, are contacted by police and then mosey on down to the station at their convenience.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Bearlyhere ... the security guards ... who were implicated by Joran, Deepak and Satish ... were not afforded the same courtesy as the subsequent suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case.

Double standard?

Janet

+++++++++++++

Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005


Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

++++++++++++++

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 10, 2008, 10:52:55 AM
Klass, per Kermit Natalee Case Discussion 706-12/20 reply 783 December 21 2007 - "Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 10:54:34 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5082005,00.html

Forth man arrested identified
4th Man Detained in Aruba Disappearance

Friday June 17, 2005 8:46 PM
AP Photo NYET250
By PETER PRENGAMAN
Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A party boat disc jockey was detained Friday on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly three weeks ago while celebrating her high school graduation, authorities and his employer said.

Meanwhile, Holloway's mother said she believed there might be more arrests before the case was resolved. She did not elaborate.

Steve Gregory Croes, whom authorities earlier identified only by the initials S.G.C., said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes was the fourth person detained in the May 30 disappearance of Holloway, 18. Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

Croes was a DJ on the Tattoo, which offers nightly dining, dancing and swimming, Wiggins said.

``I've never had problems with him,'' Wiggins told the AP. ``He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job.''

Wiggins also said he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat.

<snip>
**************************************************
I tend to believe that the suspect arrested on 6/11/05 was not related to this case.  Why?  Because that person was arrested during an early moring raid by the police.  So far anyone related to this case that has anything to do with it, relative to the three last seen with her, are contacted by police and then mosey on down to the station at their convenience.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Bearlyhere ... the security guards ... who were implicated by Joran, Deepak and Satish ... were not afforded the same courtesy as the subsequent suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case.

Double standard?

Janet

+++++++++++++

Aruba's Government Asks for Help in Search
Tuesday, June 07, 2005


Aruban police in unmarked cars accompanied by FBI agents made a pre-dawn raid at 5 a.m. Sunday, rousting two suspects aged 28 and 30 from their beds.

An AP photographer watched as the rumpled men — one from the De Vuiyst housing project for poorer islanders and another from an average home in southeast San Nicolas — emerged without resistance, hands cuffed behind their backs.

Police searched the homes and emerged with what looked like a metal safe deposit box and a garbage bag of clothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158666,00.html

++++++++++++++

Aruba Authorities Detail Murder Suspicions
Friday, June 24, 2005


Joran van der Sloot (search) and his friends Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are being held under suspicion of murder and kidnapping as well as being an accessory to murder.

A fourth man, party boat DJ Steve Croes, is being held under the same conditions.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160654,00.html

Absolutely a double standard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 10:56:01 AM
Klass, per Kermit Natalee Case Discussion 706-12/20 reply 783 December 21 2007 - "Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss"
Let me look at Kermit's reply.  Charles Croes does not own Digicel to my knowledge.  He did own a Hugo Boss store at one time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 11:03:26 AM
Beth 2005

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h91UYgOVROQ&mode=related&search=


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 11:03:54 AM
Klass, per Kermit Natalee Case Discussion 706-12/20 reply 783 December 21 2007 - "Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss"
Let me look at Kermit's reply.  Charles Croes does not own Digicel to my knowledge.  He did own a Hugo Boss store at one time.

 I'm still going to disagree with Kermit on this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.msg320300#msg320300

Charles Croes owns Aruba Fast Phones:

http://arubafastphones.com/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 11:06:53 AM
Klass, per Kermit Natalee Case Discussion 706-12/20 reply 783 December 21 2007 - "Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss"
Let me look at Kermit's reply.  Charles Croes does not own Digicel to my knowledge.  He did own a Hugo Boss store at one time.

 I'm still going to disagree with Kermit on this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.msg320300#msg320300

Charles Croes owns Aruba Fast Phones:

http://arubafastphones.com/index.html

From the Aruba Chamber regarding Digicel:

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 23 FEBRUARY 2001 under serial number 27288.0 is the company with the trade name:
 
 
DIGICEL COMMUNICATIONS 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 60, ORANJESTAD OOST 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  NEW MILLENNIUM TELECOM SERVICES N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  21 FEBRUARY 2001 
Last amendment in the articles  28 DECEMBER 2004 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 4,000,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 954,200.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 954,200.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
WINKLAAR, MICHELLE JANICE
Residing in  WAYACA 255, ( RESIDENCE), ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  CANADA, TORONTO on 20 SEPTEMBER 1969 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  3 FEBRUARY 2005 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
O'BRIEN, DENNIS JOHN
Residing in  NO. 10 PARQUE ATLANTICO, R, RUA ATLANTICO QUINTA DO LAGO 8135 , ALMACIL ALGARVE, PORTUGAL 
Born in  IRELAND, DUBLIN on 19 APRIL 1958 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
BUCKLEY, LESLIE FRANCIS
Residing in  8 ROCKLANDS, HARBOUR RD , DALKEY, CO. DUBLIN, IRELAND 
Born in  IRELAND, CORK on 18 OCTOBER 1944 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
GAFFNEY, LUCY COLUMBA
Residing in  21 ALMA ROAD, MONKSTOWN , CO DUBLIN, IRELAND 
Born in  IRELAND, DUBLIN on 10 FEBRUARY 1960 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  28 DECEMBER 2004 
   
POSNER, ISRAEL
Residing in  VONDELLAAN 7, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 18 OCTOBER 1930 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  18 APRIL 2005 
   
LUTE, JOHANNES CATHARINA
Residing in  LA QUINTA VILLAS K-112, SANTA CATHARINA, CURACAO, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, ALKMAAR on 23 MARCH 1965 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 SEPTEMBER 2005 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CHATTEN, OLIVER WALTER
Residing in  CAYA DI CAMPEONAN 1, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  IRELAND, MEATH on 14 JULY 1971 
Nationality  IRISH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  26 OCTOBER 2007 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY 
 
1. TO OPERATE (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE) A TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
2. TO INSTALL, HAVE IN POSSESSION AND MAINTAIN EQUIPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE
NECESSARY FOR THE OPERATION OF (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE)
TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
3. TO GIVE FOR A FEE CONNECTION TO SUBSCRIBER AND/OR THROUGH THE
AUTHORIZED THIRD PARTIES TO (WHETHER OR NOT MOBILE)
TELECOMMUNICATIONNETWORK.
4. TO IMPORT, BUY AND SELL PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT.
5. THE FULL OR PARTIAL ACCUMULATION OF PENSION PROVISIONS IN BEHALF OF
EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY , PAST EMPLOYEES AND THEIR SURVIVING RELATIONS.
6. TO ACT AS FINANCECOMPANY AND AS INTERMEDIARY IN EFFECTING FINANCING OF
TRANSACTIONS.
7. THE CORPORATION CAN PERFORM UNDER 6 THESE ACTIVITIES IN THE FRAMEWORK OF ITS NORMAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS - NOT WITH IMPORTANCE ACTS AS FINANCE COMPANY - IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CANNOT BE DEEMED AS A CREDIT INSTITUTION AS MEANT IN THE STATE ORDINANCE SUPERVISION BANKING AND CREDIT SYSTEM. FURTHERMORE, ITS IS EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED FROM ATTRACTING MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC AND/OR TO LEND OUT MONEY TO THE PUBLIC;

 
   
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 10, 2008, 11:09:18 AM
Ok, I am going to keep digging, thank you for your response!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 11:14:33 AM

So Steve Croes got a request from ale to come down and make a statement?Was this his first statement and if so....how did the ale know Steve had anything to state?

Karma

Deepak Kalpoe declared in his suspect statement of June 9, 2005 ... that Steve Croes had witness Natalee being returned to the Holiday Inn at 2:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Obviously ... Steve Croes was involved to some capacity in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet
__________

Fourth Person Held in Aruba Mystery
Friday, June 17, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities in Aruba on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway (search), officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot (search ), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

<snipped>

Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told the AP Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

+++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


I have to inform you that I was contacted a few days ago by a boy named Steve. Steve said to me that he saw us on May 30th 2005 when we dropped the girl off in the nightly hours. Steve's phone number is REMOVED.

+++++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
June 10, 2005


You are telling me that I made a statement about a Steve yesterday and now you are asking me who Steve is. Steve is a customer who comes to my place of work to internet.

To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

To your question as to where Steve was to have been able to see to see all of this, I can state the following. I didn't ask him where he was in order to have seen all of this. He also told me that he had not been into work that day. He instead had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was in two minds about going to the police because he feared loosing his job.

To your question as to how I got hold of his mobile phone number, I can state the following. I had asked him for his number and had told him that I would give it to the police if I would get into trouble so that they could call him.

To your question as to how it is possible that I state that Steve was not sure whether he should go to the police or not because he was afraid to loose his job, but that on the night in question, he did go to a public place like "Carlos & Charlies" and on top of that gave me his phone number so that he now can be sent for to testify, I can state the following. You should ask him.

To your question whether Steve knows Joran, I can state the following. Steve does not know Joran.

To your question whether Steve knows my brother, I can state the following.

To your question whether I have spoken to my brother about Steve, I can state the following. I have spoken to everybody about Steve, with my mother, Satish, Joran and Joran's parents.

To your question whether I gave all of them Steve's mobile phone number, I can state the following. No, I kept the number to myself.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 11:26:05 AM
This shot here shows Paulus' whole face.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 11:29:26 AM
This shot here shows Paulus' whole face.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

What is that hanging out of his left sleeve--a tie, a belt?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
This shot here shows Paulus' whole face.

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html

Thanks Bearlyhere.

Beth knows the truth.  In all probability ... after images of Paulus appeared in the media ... the Mountain Brook students confirmed that Paulus was at the black jack table with them on the evening of May 29, 2005.

Think about it ... Beth's words to Rita Cosby regarding a Paulus/Natalee encounter occurred six months prior to the casino video recording revealing Natalee at the Black Jack table conversing with an "older" man.

Janet

+++++++++++

Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005


HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006


DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005


After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 11:57:26 AM

So Steve Croes got a request from ale to come down and make a statement?Was this his first statement and if so....how did the ale know Steve had anything to state?

Karma

Deepak Kalpoe declared in his suspect statement of June 9, 2005 ... that Steve Croes had witness Natalee being returned to the Holiday Inn at 2:00 AM on the morning of May 30, 2005.

Obviously ... Steve Croes was involved to some capacity in the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

Janet
__________

Fourth Person Held in Aruba Mystery
Friday, June 17, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities in Aruba on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway (search), officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot (search ), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

<snipped>

Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told the AP Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

+++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


I have to inform you that I was contacted a few days ago by a boy named Steve. Steve said to me that he saw us on May 30th 2005 when we dropped the girl off in the nightly hours. Steve's phone number is REMOVED.

+++++++++++

Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
June 10, 2005


You are telling me that I made a statement about a Steve yesterday and now you are asking me who Steve is. Steve is a customer who comes to my place of work to internet.

To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

To your question as to where Steve was to have been able to see to see all of this, I can state the following. I didn't ask him where he was in order to have seen all of this. He also told me that he had not been into work that day. He instead had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was in two minds about going to the police because he feared loosing his job.

To your question as to how I got hold of his mobile phone number, I can state the following. I had asked him for his number and had told him that I would give it to the police if I would get into trouble so that they could call him.

To your question as to how it is possible that I state that Steve was not sure whether he should go to the police or not because he was afraid to loose his job, but that on the night in question, he did go to a public place like "Carlos & Charlies" and on top of that gave me his phone number so that he now can be sent for to testify, I can state the following. You should ask him.

To your question whether Steve knows Joran, I can state the following. Steve does not know Joran.

To your question whether Steve knows my brother, I can state the following.

To your question whether I have spoken to my brother about Steve, I can state the following. I have spoken to everybody about Steve, with my mother, Satish, Joran and Joran's parents.

To your question whether I gave all of them Steve's mobile phone number, I can state the following. No, I kept the number to myself.


Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 12:15:37 PM

Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 12:20:56 PM
I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 12:25:02 PM
OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
1st one is perfect for Janet:

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)

This one for anyone :)

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 12:28:49 PM

Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet
Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 12:32:33 PM
OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)



Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
:)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 12:33:17 PM

Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet
Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.
After the first 10 days, Jaansen, et al had ALREADY lied so much themselves that they could not send Joran away for a few years without sending THEMSELVES away for even longer!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 12:38:31 PM

Thank you Janet,it sure is hard to remember alot of what happened in the beginning of this case.
I imagine when deepak told the of the ditch parents about steve witnessing their BS story,anita right away called ale and told them.


You are welcome Karma.

I agree.  That is what Aruba and ... the internet trolls are hoping.  There seems to be an agenda to distract from or undermine  transcripts/ articles/ declarations/ witnesses/ evidence/ press releases that implicated Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve, Geoffrey, Freddie and ... the sons of the elite (pimps) and ... focus the attention on Joran ONLY.  Also ... the implication of Joran ONLY ... implies that there is no accountability for those in the Dutch/Aruban administrations who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

Joran was a minor at the time when Natalee Holloway went missing.  Any accountability will be minimal.

Think about the Devries/van der Eem words regarding the vehicle  video recording of Joran.

Paraphrased:  "Joran confessed!  We solved the case."

GMAB

Janet
Oh,you are soooo right Janet!
Weird thing is that in the beginning had they not chose this route,joran's confession on june 9th-10th would have stood and with him being a minor he would probably been out of jail by now.Guess aruba decided to imprison themselves.....for years.
After the first 10 days, Jaansen, et al had ALREADY lied so much themselves that they could not send Joran away for a few years without sending THEMSELVES away for even longer!!
True Wreck but I think Beth and Dave would have settled for justice for Natalee and having Natalee's body to take home IF this was all settled by june 10th 2005.They might have overlooked those dumb asses within ale and government and justice department at the time especially when you compare it to how it seems to be going NOW.
:(


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 12:52:14 PM
OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)



Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
:)

Karma ... thank you for sharing.

Hey ... did you notice the image of Ducky and Tamikosmom on the avatar that Klaas gave me shortly after I took up residence in the cage.  Do you not think that we both look absolutely adorable?

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 10, 2008, 01:03:15 PM
I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes.  ::MonkeyConfused::

That is what I remember.
Alex Mathews had won the bid on the Digicel rights and they set him up
because you cannot have a contract with a criminal record.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: msmarple on June 10, 2008, 01:05:17 PM
The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 10, 2008, 01:31:45 PM
Magnolia, I also saw that Charles Croes was really "Gayn Betico Croes" do you know that to be true?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 10, 2008, 01:48:12 PM
Magnolia, I also saw that Charles Croes was really "Gayn Betico Croes" do you know that to be true?

I just fouind the post you may be referring to at crimelibrary and the way it reads, I believe the poster was referring to the main street where CC's Hugo Boss boutique was, not CC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 02:05:35 PM
More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
**************************************************
Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 10, 2008, 02:09:54 PM
More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
**************************************************
Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 10, 2008, 02:15:30 PM
OT~just wanted to share a couple of cute images....if I can figure out how to insert images.
See if this works....if it does then you can either click the little picture icon on the reply box and it inserts the IMG tags,so then you can copy the image tag from photobuckt and paste it in between the already inserted image tags?OR just copy the whole image tag(with the IMG's)and don't click the little photo icon?
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove2.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Monkeylove.jpg)



Yikes,they came out huge but I did figure it out....sorry for the off topic.
:)

Karma ... thank you for sharing.

Hey ... did you notice the image of Ducky and Tamikosmom on the avatar that Klaas gave me shortly after I took up residence in the cage.  Do you not think that we both look absolutely adorable?

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet



lol....I did notice,that's why I suggested the above image would be perfect for you.Yes,you are both adorable.
 :smt057


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 10, 2008, 02:16:55 PM
More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
**************************************************
Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe

    :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 03:03:29 PM
I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes.  ::MonkeyConfused::

That is what I remember.
Alex Mathews had won the bid on the Digicel rights and they set him up
because you cannot have a contract with a criminal record.



Unless your name is Posner.    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 03:11:02 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother.  Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 




Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 10, 2008, 03:21:16 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother.  Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 





Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::

Hmmm...that'a a lot of money.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 10, 2008, 03:27:27 PM
More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
**************************************************
Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe

paulus needed to confer with jvds by phone to further coordinate closing up holes in their lies. 
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 03:29:49 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother.  Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 




Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::





Sorry, that amount should be $40,716.00.  This does not include books, athletic fees, meal plans, or computer rental.  The amount will probably be several thousand dollars more for the first year.  Where does Paulass get this money?  Never mind.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 03:43:50 PM
Are we sure it's Emerson College -- or are we mistaking him working for "Emerson" the ultra low-end discount electronics maker for Wal-Mart?? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 10, 2008, 04:00:08 PM
I may be totally off base here, but I seem to recall that Charles Croes did in fact have "franchise" rights of Digicel. The interesting point here is that Alex Mathews ( as a minority) was scheduled to get the rights to Digicel and the "powers that be" gave them to charles Croes.  ::MonkeyConfused::

That is what I remember.
Alex Mathews had won the bid on the Digicel rights and they set him up
because you cannot have a contract with a criminal record.



Unless your name is Posner.    ::MonkeyWink::

Funny how that article about that didn't come out until September 2005 ::MonkeyWink::

Does anyone know where Alex Mathew is now?

I for the life of me can't understand why he would have been back in Aruba in May of 2005...not with the enemies he had made.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 04:29:41 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother. Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 

Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::


No he won't...the POWERS THAT BE will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 05:03:03 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother. Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 

Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::


No he won't...the POWERS THAT BE will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I will assume Val will not be lonely.  Logic dictates that there would be sons and daughters of taxi drivers also enrolled at Emerson if it is the College of choice in Aruban circles.

Janet

+++++++


Julie Renfro, Editor of Aruba Today, on Fox’s O’Reilly Factor
June 15, 2005


Hi Rick,

I just spoke to Fox and all I was reassured that O’Reilly ‘retracted’ (the actual word went over my head) all of the statements made by Geraldo.

I was on with O’Reilly last night when he suggested that our Prime Minister was an idiot, but do you really think that the President of the United States gets involved in Police Cases? NO! Actually it would be illegal for a politician to get involved or be abreast of any details of Police investigation - same as in the US. Duh, I honestly don’t think O’Reilly is an idiot - he is obviously acting like one to get ratings.

Once again, I don’t know what happened to Natalee, and I’m not sure that anyone does! If van der Sloot or the others had any involvement in her death or disappearance they will be punished and justice will be served.

There is in no way what so ever that Arubans think that there is a cover up or that v/d Sloot’s father has any pull. It is to the contrary!

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 05:15:56 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother. Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 

Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::


No he won't...the POWERS THAT BE will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I will assume Val will not be lonely.  Logic dictates that there would be sons and daughters of taxi drivers also enrolled at Emerson if it is the College of choice in Aruban circles.

Janet

+++++++


Julie Renfro, Editor of Aruba Today, on Fox’s O’Reilly Factor
June 15, 2005


Hi Rick,

I just spoke to Fox and all I was reassured that O’Reilly ‘retracted’ (the actual word went over my head) all of the statements made by Geraldo.

I was on with O’Reilly last night when he suggested that our Prime Minister was an idiot, but do you really think that the President of the United States gets involved in Police Cases? NO! Actually it would be illegal for a politician to get involved or be abreast of any details of Police investigation - same as in the US. Duh, I honestly don’t think O’Reilly is an idiot - he is obviously acting like one to get ratings.

Once again, I don’t know what happened to Natalee, and I’m not sure that anyone does! If van der Sloot or the others had any involvement in her death or disappearance they will be punished and justice will be served.

There is in no way what so ever that Arubans think that there is a cover up or that v/d Sloot’s father has any pull. It is to the contrary!

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 10, 2008, 05:18:21 PM
Klass, per Kermit Natalee Case Discussion 706-12/20 reply 783 December 21 2007 - "Charles Croes owns Digicel and Hugo Boss"
Let me look at Kermit's reply.  Charles Croes does not own Digicel to my knowledge.  He did own a Hugo Boss store at one time.

 I'm still going to disagree with Kermit on this.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.msg320300#msg320300

Charles Croes owns Aruba Fast Phones:

http://arubafastphones.com/index.html

Originally posted at SM
I spoke with a member of the Police Force of Aruba regaridng the Vanity Fair article. And this is their reaction:

At the early stage of the investigation a lot of aruban citizen was trying to help to Twittie's for instance Mr. Charles Croes who was the one that also spoke with Joran. Charles Croes was intervieuwed by the Vanity Fair where he answer a lot of questions and also did a very interesting statement of his conversation with Joran. Guess what guys...Charles was called in by the local police and question as a witness. You know what most of his answers was??? Ï can't recall, I can't remember and the most interesing one was Ï didn't say that....So whoever that could have read that interesting intervieuw of Charles Croes just waste their time. Charles Croes was arrested last year for threathening his wife and also Charles Croes was fired from a huge Developing Company for misuse of alcohol. His first wife didn't had the most pleasant time during the divorce process and authorities firmly believe that Charles Croes is not else then a moocher! So, more then half of the story in Vanity Fair does not enjoy a credibilty. Charles Croes assisted Beth and Jug in providing cellulars at a reasonable rental price to the full crew of Beth and Jug. Charles Croes runs the Digicel cellular rentals at the airport. case closed for Charles Croes. He is awaiting trial for his last incident.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1911&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=160


Kermit information:

Lincoln Gomez

Lincoln is a managing-parter of Gomez and Bikker Law Offices in Aruba and co-founder of Digicel Aruba, aGSM mobile telephony provider in Aruba. He has also turned his attention to the financially markets and is co-founder ofthe Aruba Electronic Stock Exchange. He joined Tutix XP in Q1 of 2004. Prior to joining private practice he was a legal adviser andaid to the Government of Aruba. In addition to his professional and commercial activities he is involved in a number of community related projects.He is a graduate of Saint Leo College and the Universiteit van Aruba.
http://www.gobiklaw.com/useful_links.html




Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS man on the island wanted the honors of being in last place,
but was only able to secure second to last.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter50.html#story13

She is also interpreting sketches originated by Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS boutique owner.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html

IamTito
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: aruba
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
CHARLES Croes has a phone rental company.

Charles Croes, owner of Digicel & Aruba Fast Phones, cellphone company,

Contact Charles Croes at 730-0001



VANITY FAIR INTERVIEW

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true
January 2, 2006

"They're killing Aruba," says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. "That girl, Natalee, I wish she'd stayed home. I hope she's found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?"





Charles Croes Company:

FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE


Business address SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE
Date of commencement 16 DECEMBER 2003

OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, CHARLES AUGUST;
Residing in SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA, ARUBA

Born in U.S.A., NEW YORK on 15 SEPTEMBER 1945
Nationality AMERICAN
Position OWNER
Effective 16 DECEMBER 2003
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET VERHUREN VAN MOBIELE TELEFOONTOESTELLEN.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=3433.45


Digicel Aruba offers roaming service on the GSM network. Contact your service provider to ensure Digicel is one of their roaming partners. You can rent cellular phones through Charles Croes at 730-0001.
http://www.caribbean.com/jsp/aruba-gi.jsp?currentDestination=8



If you want to, give me a call at:
011-297-7300001

Charles Croes
arubafastphones.com



Charles
arubafastphones.com
I wish all of us strength
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?p=18418


charles
arubafastphones.com


CROES, CHARLES AUGUST;
Residing in SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in U.S.A., NEW YORK on 15 SEPTEMBER 1945
Nationality AMERICAN


Charles Croes would be 60 years old now.



12-13-2005, 01:04 AM
rstj [/b]
Member   Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,404
 
A curious posting from Charles Croes
 
This is a post and response from prior to the Natalee Holloway case. Croes seems to specialize in finding people on Aruba. He seems to be well known and well liked, and very definitely the guy you might go to if you were trying to track someone down. Especially if they'd made a call on a cellphone he rented. He also has another company, Digicel, which allows your GSM phone to connect to a local network. So theoretically, Natalee could have used her own phone.

Croes eventually fell out w/the Twittys, possibly because they were bashing Aruba. For whatever reason, he still hasn't said when the call was made, from what number to what number, and what can be heard on the call.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1118


Kermit ponders: Kind of odd that Satish mentions Digicel:
My brother thinks that Steve works at Digicel.(Satish statement June 10, 2005)



WHERE IS SANDER'S PHONE... YOU KNOW THE ONE HE LOST?
So, Charles, what was it? She did OR she didn't??  Will the Dutch team get this information from you OR has that evidence been destroyed, also?

My guess he took so long in verifying that info because he had signed two NDA's... and if it wasn't his company Digicell... that only leaves SETAR.. and yes Sander's phone was a SETAR phone.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3433.255
________________________________________







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 10, 2008, 05:20:00 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161179,00.html

Aruba Official: Body Not Needed to Prosecute
Thursday, June 30, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruba's attorney general said Thursday she could prosecute a case in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway (search) even if the Alabama teenager's body is not found.

<snip>

Janssen said the elder van der Sloot gave his son and the Kalpoe brothers legal advice, telling them that "without a body there is no case."

"He confirmed to me that he told them that a few days after she disappeared," Janssen told the AP.

Janssen also alleged Paul van der Sloot, a 52-year-old judge in training in Aruba, obstructed authorities' investigation by asking one of his son's friends, who had been interrogated, what he told police.

But Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was detained for being a suspect in the disappearance, not for obstructing the investigation.

<snip>
*******************************
Well then wth are you waiting for?  Go get them.




December 8, 2007
“Prosecutor Hans Mos said, “It's very hard to try a case without a body.” “It's not impossible, but you need substantial evidence that somebody was killed.”



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 10, 2008, 05:24:58 PM
Posted at RU this morning by Heli. Hope it is true!!! Would be HUGE publicity for the case!!!

Quote
So what about this:

Patrick will conquer the US with his own book about his experiences as an infiltrator in Joran's case. He signed a contract with a known literary agent.
Next week the rights will be sold by offer in the US

That was confirmed yesterday by his Dutch representative/agent, Peter Schouten. "There's a large interest, he says. "The agent sees a possible big hit in his undercover operation" In the US the literary agent David Vigliano signed earlier already for books which were sold by the millions.

Van der Eem travelled yesterday evening to Aruba, where he will tell his story to an American writer who will note down his story. The first chapter will be published in a big American newspaper, The New York Post. The book will be brought out in the US by the name of 'Disposed", and also tells about how his family experienced the undercover operation. The publishing of his book was leaked out to the Telegraaf, when Van der Eem let himself be photographed for the cover of the book, together with his family.


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3321707/_Eigen_boek_Patrick_in_VS__.html?p=2,1



David Vigliano
David Vigliano Literary Agency
654 Madison Ave.
Suite 809
New York, NY 10021
(Literary, Not accepting manuscripts)



http://www.viglianoassociates.com/




  Literary Agents Who Represent Christian Authors
http://www.michaelhyatt.com/fromwhereisit/2007/11/literary-agents.html


Were it not for the exploits of literary agent to the tabloid stars David Vigliano,
we’d have no publishing gossip at all. Before Neverland ranch was invaded by California law enforcement, Michael Jackson was preparing to take time off from baby-dangling and extreme-sport plastic surgery to pen his memoirs. We hear our good friend Mr. Vigliano, who also reps Jessica Simpson and the Pope, flew to the ranch to meet with Jackson about a book.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/n_9556/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2008, 05:57:05 PM
Emerson College

Emerson College is ranked much higher than St. Leo's.  94% of the freshman this year had a Critical Reading score of 590-680 and 94% had a Math score of 550-650 on their SATs.  Val and his buddy will no doubt be roommates.  They have even declared the same major.  Val obviously is a lot brighter than his doofus brother.  Paulass will be paying $40,716,00 in tuition and board for the first year. 





Karma - those pictures are just beautiful.  ::MonkeyWink::

Hmmm...that'a a lot of money.   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::

How about WE will be paying for that.  Nice pay back isn't it? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 05:58:02 PM
More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten saidthe father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
**************************************************
Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

June 18, 2005 - Saturday
June 19, 2005 - Sunday
June 20, 2005 - Monday

According to the above article ... Paulus van der was questioned as a witness on Saturday June 18, 2005 but ... was required to return on Sunday June 19, 2005. 

However ... only one witness statement of Paulus van der Sloot has been revealed ... the one given on Saturday, June 18, 2005.

Could it be that the interrogation of Saturday, June 18, 2005 had been completed but ... Paulus van der Sloot returned on Sunday, June 19, 2005 to made changes to his original declaration ... changes that Roland/Roy Tromp his interrogator claimed that he made at some time.

Janet

++++++++


PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively inspector and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes, state the following.

On June 18th 2005 at approximately 18.30 hours, we interviewed as a witness the man who when asked for his name and details, stated to be, Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, occupation judge (Joint Court) and living at ADDRESS REMOVED in Aruba for further information.

<snipped>

PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=237.msg36196;topicseen#msg36196

++++++++++++

PROCES VERBAAL

We, Roland Ramiro TROMP and Clyde Anthony Burke,
respectively inspector and sergeant first class, with the Korps
Politie Aruba and attached to the section Often Occurring Crime
District 2, state the following.

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a
suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was:

Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, 
born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.msg61659;topicseen#msg61659

++++++++++

Judge Wants Aruba Witness In Court
Testimony Could Show Suspect's Statements Are Contradictory
Aug 5, 2005 5:34 pm US/Eastern


Authorities believe the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago, said Lt. Roy Tromp.

... Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island.

"We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 06:01:15 PM
IMO, Charles Croes is a dealer for Digicel and not an owner of Digicel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/CroesDigicel.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 06:05:46 PM
IMO, Charles Croes is a dealer for Digicel and not an owner of Digicel:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/CroesDigicel.jpg)


Thanks Klaas

That makes perfect sense.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 06:13:59 PM
Tonight on Dana Pretzer:

www.scaredmonkeysradio.com


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Pretzer061008.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 06:47:57 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 10, 2008, 06:52:01 PM

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Isn't it amazing how a meager family that drives a Honda can afford to hire one of the highest price attorneys in the U.S. (and that ain't counting the Aruba and Holland attorneys) in Joe Tacopina, keep their devil son flush in gambling money every night along with his voracious drug habit, jet set the family back and forth from Holland to Aruba many times a year, and send another kid to a 40G plus a year college in the states. Pustus should have been an accountant, he has a way with making money materialize out of nowhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 06:56:03 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 10, 2008, 06:57:44 PM
More double standard for TM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160010,00.html

Suspect's Dad Questioned in Aruba
Monday, June 20, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.

Paul van der Sloot (search), a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.

Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
**************************************************
Why would he leave before questioning was over, so he could go look things up in his law books and come back?  Did they run out of rooms for the night?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Or maybe so he could confer with Freddy about how to answer some of the questions that were asked on Saturday that the ALE decided he could wait until Sunday to answer.  hehe

    :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Pustus had his way with the interrogations. That is probably why Joran's transcripts weren't released to the security guards' attorneys, compliments of Karin Jannsen, and the Kalpoes' were. Oh, and Van der Straten allowed him to "edit" Joran's transcripts. Is that legal under Dutch law, or were they just making up the law as they went along?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 10, 2008, 07:00:22 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)




No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 07:12:27 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)




No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

How long has it been now? Almost 1 1/2 yrs? What exactly have they done so far in this case?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 10, 2008, 07:17:48 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)




No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

How long has it been now? Almost 1 1/2 yrs? What exactly have they done so far in this case?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe Destiny can put Dr. Phil on her call list, for an update.  Offer of research and a little pep talk... :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 07:19:33 PM
Another scandal involving Minister Wever..This time at the Dump..Pictures and Article in Papi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4993/18/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 07:21:22 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)




No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

some scumbag judge is probably trying to figger out how to award the Kalpoes a huge chuck of Doctor Phil's / Paramount's and Jamie's money all the while keeping his job and and not having the court house burned down...

who knows who travels to these international consortium's on international law... and back patting.

Hi Dayhiker and everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 10, 2008, 07:26:55 PM

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Isn't it amazing how a meager family that drives a Honda can afford to hire one of the highest price attorneys in the U.S. (and that ain't counting the Aruba and Holland attorneys) in Joe Tacopina, keep their devil son flush in gambling money every night along with his voracious drug habit, jet set the family back and forth from Holland to Aruba many times a year, and send another kid to a 40G plus a year college in the states. Pustus should have been an accountant, he has a way with making money materialize out of nowhere.

i've said for almost 3 yrs. now that a team of forensic accountants could put this case to rest and half the officials on that island in the pokey.  where the hell are the i.r.s. auditors when you need them.  surely holland has the equivalent for their tax dept.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 10, 2008, 07:29:03 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)




No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe they are waiting for the 2 year mark and if nothing has happened then all charges will be dropped ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 10, 2008, 07:38:56 PM
Another scandal involving Minister Wever..This time at the Dump..Pictures and Article in Papi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4993/18/

lol, *******, can you give us the gist of what this is about?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 07:47:01 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)


08/05/2008 Motion to dismiss future hearing until 10/05/08 on previous motion to dismiss motion hearing 0n 6/05/08 to dismisss motion hearing of 04/04/08 from previous motion to postpone hearing of 11/08/07. Court will also hear motion to ask if anyone remembers what the first motion was in regard to. Attorneys to submit drink orders at that time.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 10, 2008, 07:49:26 PM
there is now some kind of new foundation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43188.php

it says: "Adopt an Addict".

what i understand of it is that someone can adopt an addict and pay for their addiction treatment and rehabilitation.

tomorrow the article is there in english i guess.

i've got a feeling that this is just an invitation to become an addict in the first place.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 07:52:03 PM
These two just showed up in my back yard. So, I grabbed my camera and took a shot. These guys are fast as heck and one looks like the mother and the youngin'. The one on the right has a red stripe on it's head. I don't think they are woodpeckers - but more like bug hunters that walk up and down trees... and boy oh boy are they fast. I should have set the camera speed to 800, but didn't have time.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/WOODPECKERS.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 07:56:07 PM
there is now some kind of new foundation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43188.php

it says: "Adopt an Addict".

what i understand of it is that someone can adopt an addict and pay for their addiction treatment and rehabilitation.

tomorrow the article is there in english i guess.

i've got a feeling that this is just an invitation to become an addict in the first place.
ALE is preparing for ultimate mass confusion this coming Sunday when "Father's Day" will be now observed for all the new "adoptees" with brand new "fathers." "Boeti" will be claiming approximately 15,000 new "fathers" himself!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 07:59:56 PM
the Sloots will NOT be adopting an addict at this time - they are ready have their own.

This is another great idea. Who comes up with this stuff.

I can see Ramon Lee adopting a 14 year old "addict" any day now.

oh brother  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 10, 2008, 08:10:05 PM
gas prices on Aruba rose to 2.57 florin/liter
this is 5.38 dollars a gallon.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43187.php

FYI: in The Netherlands gas prices are today US$10.11/gallon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing

in Spain (US$7.34/gallon) truckdrivers started blockades to protest the fuel prices.
two truckdrivers got driven over and died while trying to stop other trucks.
the public is hoarding, fearing shortages.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7445758.stm
Quote
A growing number of petrol stations in Spain are running out of fuel, as lorry drivers continue to blockade major cities in a protest over diesel prices.

Panic buying

A BBC News website reader in Gibraltar, Lucie Goss, said the British territory was "utter chaos, with Spanish and local drivers queuing at the fuel stations, panic-buying".

She said a supermarket delivery lorry had been attacked by pickets, and that fresh food was running out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7446130.stm
Quote
Downing Street has urged motorists not to panic-buy petrol and diesel ahead of a planned strike by tanker drivers delivering fuel for Shell on Friday.

A spokesperson for Prime Minister Gordon Brown said contingency plans were in place to minimise disruption.

Even so, the government said that some petrol stations could run out of fuel.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 08:16:34 PM

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Isn't it amazing how a meager family that drives a Honda can afford to hire one of the highest price attorneys in the U.S. (and that ain't counting the Aruba and Holland attorneys) in Joe Tacopina, keep their devil son flush in gambling money every night along with his voracious drug habit, jet set the family back and forth from Holland to Aruba many times a year, and send another kid to a 40G plus a year college in the states. Pustus should have been an accountant, he has a way with making money materialize out of nowhere.

i've said for almost 3 yrs. now that a team of forensic accountants could put this case to rest and half the officials on that island in the pokey.  where the hell are the i.r.s. auditors when you need them.  surely holland has the equivalent for their tax dept.
dennisintn



There is Federal Income Tax in Aruba, and no Dutch State Tax. The Dutch don't have to pay tax when they maintain their dual citizenship, Dutch Aruban. This is a public corruption hated by all the local Arubans.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/02/arubas-increase-in-taxes-killing.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Magnolia on June 10, 2008, 08:27:48 PM
CNNMoney.com
Why gas in the U.S. is so cheap
By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer


Despite daily headlines bemoaning record gas prices, the U.S. is actually one of the cheaper places to fill up in the world. Out of 155 countries surveyed, U.S. gas prices were the 45th cheapest, according to a recent study from AIRINC, a research firm that tracks cost of living data.


The difference is staggering. As of late March, U.S. gas prices averaged $3.45 a gallon. That compares to over $8 a gallon across much of Europe, $12.03 in Aruba and $18.42 in Sierra Leone.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 08:30:16 PM
Anyone check the case summaries for Kalpoes vs. Dr.Phil the past few days?

Future Hearings
08/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (2) Case Management Conference)




No rulings in the last hearings??? WTH is dragging this out?  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

How long has it been now? Almost 1 1/2 yrs? What exactly have they done so far in this case?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Maybe Destiny can put Dr. Phil on her call list, for an update.  Offer of research and a little pep talk... :smt102

Gimme a number...Snicker.... ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KYcat on June 10, 2008, 08:31:07 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 08:31:31 PM
Another scandal involving Minister Wever..This time at the Dump..Pictures and Article in Papi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4993/18/

lol, *******, can you give us the gist of what this is about?
dennisintn

We heard about the mega million crooked deal that Booshi Wever made with the firm bouldin & lawson,so I expect this is more of the same. I think that was a resort and and the same firm had a big project at the Dump. AVP/Eman had proof they did it all illegally so the MEP would get enormous commissions and kickbacks.

From what I gather,it's a project at the dump that is a year behind,it's supposed to cut there waste by 50%. Appears Booshi was calling all the shots without authorization. Looks like another major blunder and scandal involving Booshi and the MEP.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2008, 08:33:46 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


I'm sure Klaas can add it for you KYcat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 08:34:37 PM
Des, this is the only number I have found yet

24 Hour Reservation Line
You may phone Dr. Phil for reservations at 323.461.PHIL (7445)
Please be aware you will need to leave us your name, day and evening phone numbers, and the number of reservations you are requesting. You may request up to four reservations for any one taping.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 08:36:59 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


I'll fix you up KY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 10, 2008, 08:37:39 PM
CNNMoney.com
Why gas in the U.S. is so cheap
By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer


Despite daily headlines bemoaning record gas prices, the U.S. is actually one of the cheaper places to fill up in the world. Out of 155 countries surveyed, U.S. gas prices were the 45th cheapest, according to a recent study from AIRINC, a research firm that tracks cost of living data.


The difference is staggering. As of late March, U.S. gas prices averaged $3.45 a gallon. That compares to over $8 a gallon across much of Europe, $12.03 in Aruba and $18.42 in Sierra Leone.


CNN made an error there and altered that article:

Quote
The difference is staggering. As of late March, U.S. gas prices averaged $3.45 a gallon. That compares to over $8 a gallon across much of Europe.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/01/news/international/usgas_price/index.htm?postversion=2008050112

price now $5.38/gallon

may 2008 $5.20/gallon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KYcat on June 10, 2008, 08:38:52 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


I'm sure Klaas can add it for you KYcat.

San, Thank You.  I see Klass is gone for the moment I will ask her when she steps back in.
 :smt039


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 08:39:13 PM
there is now some kind of new foundation on Aruba.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43188.php

it says: "Adopt an Addict".

what i understand of it is that someone can adopt an addict and pay for their addiction treatment and rehabilitation.

tomorrow the article is there in english i guess.

i've got a feeling that this is just an invitation to become an addict in the first place.

Not a bad idea. After years of ignoring the problem and letting it exist in Govt housing,I would imagine its way out of control. The capitol city's name should be changed to Chollerstad. Not only do they have a bigcrime increase the last few years,but these people are killing themselves after years and years of drug abuse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 08:40:11 PM
Des, this is the only number I have found yet

24 Hour Reservation Line
You may phone Dr. Phil for reservations at 323.461.PHIL (7445)
Please be aware you will need to leave us your name, day and evening phone numbers, and the number of reservations you are requesting. You may request up to four reservations for any one taping.




Naaaaa....thanks anyway for that number...I want the number of his head lawyer....I'll work from that angle...whooopppieeeee...this is gonna be BIG FUN!!!   Plus...betcha we have some info they don't even have....a new project for me to work on....I wubs a challenge...yeps I do...be prepaired, when the time comes...for me to ask for help in getting the data together....Janet...get lot's of rest Sweetie ;-)

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 08:40:27 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


Hi

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/cat.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KYcat on June 10, 2008, 08:42:47 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


I'll fix you up KY

Wow -- you are fast!  I thought you were gone there for a minute.  Thank You.

 :smt038


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 08:42:53 PM
Des, this is the only number I have found yet

24 Hour Reservation Line
You may phone Dr. Phil for reservations at 323.461.PHIL (7445)
Please be aware you will need to leave us your name, day and evening phone numbers, and the number of reservations you are requesting. You may request up to four reservations for any one taping.




Naaaaa....thanks anyway for that number...I want the number of his head lawyer....I'll work from that angle...whooopppieeeee...this is gonna be BIG FUN!!!   Plus...betcha we have some info they don't even have....a new project for me to work on....I wubs a challenge...yeps I do...be prepaired, when the time comes...for me to ask for help in getting the data together....Janet...get lot's of rest Sweetie ;-)

Destiny

I'll have the direct number tomorrow.. ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 08:43:57 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


Hi

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/cat.jpg)

Wow!!! Rob if you are not using this pic...may I please borrow it to wear in another forum I'm a member of....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 10, 2008, 08:44:06 PM
JUNE 21-24!


Hi everyone...This is just to inform everyone that the whole Caribbean will be at the Ronald Reagan Bldg doing a GALA affair...JUNE 21st-24th. We are gearing up to PROTEST BIG TIME. Everyone needs to know about the People who are going to these Islands and dying, being drugged and raped..or just disappearing like OUR NATALEE and others like AMY BRADLEY. Please lets show up in force. Its a Federal Bldg and I have applied for a real permit. We can wear our Tshirts..inside and hand out flyers and totebags...WE CAN STAND WITH THE GIRL....Please email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com...[Klaas, I hope this is Okay] Even if you can come for a day or a few hours..We the Peope need to SPEAK up....

Monkeys

When we uphold Vicki and others in our thoughts, prayers, encouraging words, financial support and/or participation in their unselfish efforts to prevent the Natalee Holloway case from becoming a distance memory ... we are not only honoring Natalee but ... we are also honoring her mother in her contention that pressure on the  Aruban economy is the catalyst that will reveal the truth regarding the events which encompassed the morning when her precious daughter went missing.

Janet

+++++++

Natalee Holloway: New Clues
March 25, 2006


Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago.

Does she still support a boycott of Aruba?

"The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott," says Twitty.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644_page2.shtml


BUMPED FYI


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 08:44:06 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


I'll fix you up KY

Wow -- you are fast!  I thought you were gone there for a minute.  Thank You.

 :smt038

KYcat - you're very welcome.  I was gone for a bit  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 08:44:56 PM
Des, this is the only number I have found yet

24 Hour Reservation Line
You may phone Dr. Phil for reservations at 323.461.PHIL (7445)
Please be aware you will need to leave us your name, day and evening phone numbers, and the number of reservations you are requesting. You may request up to four reservations for any one taping.




Naaaaa....thanks anyway for that number...I want the number of his head lawyer....I'll work from that angle...whooopppieeeee...this is gonna be BIG FUN!!!   Plus...betcha we have some info they don't even have....a new project for me to work on....I wubs a challenge...yeps I do...be prepaired, when the time comes...for me to ask for help in getting the data together....Janet...get lot's of rest Sweetie ;-)

Destiny

I'll have the direct number tomorrow.. ::MonkeyWink::



Blowing chocolate kissies in your direction Sweetie...

Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 08:45:07 PM
Wow!!! Rob if you are not using this pic...may I please borrow it to wear in another forum I'm a member of....

sure - it's on the internet... be my guest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KYcat on June 10, 2008, 08:46:02 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::


Hi

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/cat.jpg)

Beautiful cat.  Should be going to MADI GRA.  Love it and my new avatar!

 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 10, 2008, 08:46:21 PM
Wow!!! Rob if you are not using this pic...may I please borrow it to wear in another forum I'm a member of....

sure - it's on the internet... be my guest.

Puuuuuurrrrrrfffectttt   TY!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 10, 2008, 08:50:09 PM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::





It's just beautiful.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 08:55:50 PM
Tune in to the Dana Pretzer show in a couple of minutes:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/10/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-aden-mcevoy-rhonda-wheelus-robin-sax-pat-brown-and-dr-clint-van-zandt/

On Tonight’s Dana Pretzer Show, Dana will discuss today’s ruling on the Becca McEvoy Case, and other topics.

Aden McEvoy and Rhonda Wheelus - On The Becca McEvoy case court ruling today
Robin Sax - LA County Deputy DA on the McEvoy case court ruling
Pat Brown - Criminal Profiler on the Nick Hogan tape controversy
Dr. Clint Van Zandt - Discussing a double-child murder in small-town Oklahoma
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 10, 2008, 08:57:10 PM

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Isn't it amazing how a meager family that drives a Honda can afford to hire one of the highest price attorneys in the U.S. (and that ain't counting the Aruba and Holland attorneys) in Joe Tacopina, keep their devil son flush in gambling money every night along with his voracious drug habit, jet set the family back and forth from Holland to Aruba many times a year, and send another kid to a 40G plus a year college in the states. Pustus should have been an accountant, he has a way with making money materialize out of nowhere.

i've said for almost 3 yrs. now that a team of forensic accountants could put this case to rest and half the officials on that island in the pokey.  where the hell are the i.r.s. auditors when you need them.  surely holland has the equivalent for their tax dept.
dennisintn

think you are absolutely correct Dennis.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 10, 2008, 08:58:14 PM
hanks for thei information Klaasend.  And I love that tie die kitty!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 09:13:18 PM
I guess the way I see the case currently is - Aruba is busted - both morally and financially. You can't just turn back the clock. How could they do that? and admit they covered up the biggest missing person case since Hoffa??? no wayy!! This was the worst decision anyone could possibly make. Whoever, and I suspect Oduber did it himself, cause the chain of injustice should be locked up or thrown to the lions... although I am leaning toward the decapitation device in the movie Caligula.

What a joke this case has become. It's beyond anything I could even imagine, and I love science fiction. But this is way way ... waaayyyyy out there! The suspect admits TWICE that he knows exactly what happened to that girl . . . and nothing??? This case needs to end lthe way the Bog people dispersed their justice.

And there still isn't anyone to this day, anyone, that has any authority to end this...that's a really sad state of affairs. imo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 10, 2008, 09:37:00 PM
I guess the way I see the case currently is - Aruba is busted - both morally and financially. You can't just turn back the clock. How could they do that? and admit they covered up the biggest missing person case since Hoffa??? no wayy!! This was the worst decision anyone could possibly make. Whoever, and I suspect Oduber did it himself, cause the chain of injustice should be locked up or thrown to the lions... although I am leaning toward the decapitation device in the movie Caligula.

What a joke this case has become. It's beyond anything I could even imagine, and I love science fiction. But this is way way ... waaayyyyy out there! The suspect admits TWICE that he knows exactly what happened to that girl . . . and nothing??? This case needs to end lthe way the Bog people dispersed their justice.

And there still isn't anyone to this day, anyone, that has any authority to end this...that's a really sad state of affairs. imo

It's about 'Natalee, her family and friends, and the restoration of Aruba'.   I read that last bit a few days ago, and it seems to fit. 

So many lives changed forever by the actions of a few...jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 10, 2008, 09:50:49 PM

He is a civil servant and lives in a middle class neighborhood and drives a Honda? There is a great amount of wealth on this island and the v/d Sloots are not part of it. Taxi drivers probably make more than the judge!

As for Dutch influence. No way! An Aruban would never stick the neck of an entire nation for anyone - much less a Dutch national. The suggestion is ridiculous. Arubans are extremely honest by nature - all of this hype is made up by the international press trying to get ratings. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sure there is no DVD otherwise v/d Sloot would have been hung out to dry with the local press as well.

Julia Renfro

Editor-in-Chief

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/15/julie-renfro-editor-of-aruba-today-on-foxs-oreilly-factor/


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Isn't it amazing how a meager family that drives a Honda can afford to hire one of the highest price attorneys in the U.S. (and that ain't counting the Aruba and Holland attorneys) in Joe Tacopina, keep their devil son flush in gambling money every night along with his voracious drug habit, jet set the family back and forth from Holland to Aruba many times a year, and send another kid to a 40G plus a year college in the states. Pustus should have been an accountant, he has a way with making money materialize out of nowhere.

Don't forget gas for the Kalpoe vehicle and trips to the U.S. and S.A.  Also the monthly allowance for the children (three), cleaning service, and IIRC, gardeners. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Paulus is dirty mafia. Things are not always as they appear.

Live by the sword, die by the McDonald's drive-thru window.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 10:00:18 PM
Does anyone really think he simply looked
Joe Tacopina up in the Yellow Book, on a whim?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2008, 10:01:45 PM
Does anyone really think he simply looked
Joe Tacopina up in the Yellow Book, on a whim?

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 10:05:12 PM
Not one sighting of Joran and in todays world with all the camera phones you know we would have seen something by now. He would be easily spotted in any part of Holland. Someone is obviously hiding him,feeding him,housing him and protecting him. Is it a Govt or someone else? Does he have security also?

Rob:Booshi and others are already huge disgraces and major embarrassments but yet they continue  ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Shell on June 10, 2008, 10:07:11 PM
I guess the way I see the case currently is - Aruba is busted - both morally and financially. You can't just turn back the clock. How could they do that? and admit they covered up the biggest missing person case since Hoffa??? no wayy!! This was the worst decision anyone could possibly make. Whoever, and I suspect Oduber did it himself, cause the chain of injustice should be locked up or thrown to the lions... although I am leaning toward the decapitation device in the movie Caligula.

What a joke this case has become. It's beyond anything I could even imagine, and I love science fiction. But this is way way ... waaayyyyy out there! The suspect admits TWICE that he knows exactly what happened to that girl . . . and nothing??? This case needs to end lthe way the Bog people dispersed their justice.

And there still isn't anyone to this day, anyone, that has any authority to end this...that's a really sad state of affairs. imo

Rob, I think the chain began with Paulus. (But then I think you will agree)A man of any integrity or character would have had his son and himself own their actions. The father was a wannabe judge, but he did serve as a replacement judge for a time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 10:08:07 PM
Does anyone really think he simply looked
Joe Tacopina up in the Yellow Book, on a whim?

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.


How much would the "Natural Bridge" set me back, San??? LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Shell on June 10, 2008, 10:11:26 PM
Does anyone really think he simply looked
Joe Tacopina up in the Yellow Book, on a whim?

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.


How much would the "Natural Bridge" set me back, San??? LOL

LOL, something as specific and important as an atty requires recomendations and referral, kinda like an obgyn and a pediatrician.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 10:11:47 PM
Not one sighting of Joran and in todays world with all the camera phones you know we would have seen something by now. He would be easily spotted in any part of Holland. Someone is obviously hiding him,feeding him,housing him and protecting him. Is it a Govt or someone else? Does he have security also?

Rob:Booshi and others are already huge disgraces and major embarrassments but yet they continue  ::MonkeyNoNo::



I had a YT email from a Nederlander that I've been corresponding with

for quite awhile. She told me Joran is so thoroughly despised in the whole

country at this point... he'd be a dead-man out walking the open streets.

They are disgusted with him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 10:15:12 PM
Posted at RU in their thread "Joran in Thailand?":

Quote from: Saucey
Thailand? Ok close... BUT.. can you say Malaysia.
Yes Malaysia. Specifically, Johor Bahru . Now Malaysia sits below Thailand yes. Johor Bahru sits at the bottom of Malaysia. Check a map and see where it is. My money is on ...Johor Bahru, Malaysia. That be the correct place where Joran is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: finngirl on June 10, 2008, 10:18:20 PM

Charles Croes: How Did He Know?

It was clear from the start, the Aruban Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandoned any thoughts of that.

So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Grander Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

Having said that there is one man who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01 There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications. It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you. I was with them on the first night they arrived to Aruba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved. I wish all of us strength.

charles
arubafastphones.com.com


Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

“They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles, they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be so simple?

6 Comments »

1. Briefly, I would like to say the following:
I have never responded to this issue since only more turmoil will come from it, however VANITY FAIR misquoted me and when I was shown the article, they had already sent it out to be printed. Note the following:

“They’re killing Aruba,” = I was referring to the press

I wish she’d stayed home. = I was asked what I would wish for Natalee

I hope she’s found alive there. = I was asked if I had any messages for her parents

Because no one would care. No one. = This was in response to a question dealing with kids vacationing as a part of their graduation parties. The “No-one would care” eluded to that issue and the question of “Do you think it is right for high school kids to go overseas on the graduations as a part of the celebration?’

The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. = This is so far out of context . It dealt with the pain of parents etc.

Is Natalee worth it? Is she?” = The entire phrase was to the question of - if it is worth for an island and its people to undergo this trauma when different behavior on all sides could have avoided it, We talked about the event and not the person”

The VANITY FAIR article was supposed to not be baised and to be an honest representation of what was discussed between the reporter and myself. Unfortunately, that did not occur and statements were taken out of context to satisfy the insatiable hunger that seems to exist for reporting half truths and causing pain. I asked the reporter (during our interview) what would be his approach and he said to me “I will write it so that the mothers and fathers will say to themselves - ‘Glad that wasn’t my child” He - of course succeeded and damaged those that initially only wanted to help - and that is disgracefull.

charles
Comment by Charles Croes | December 30, 2006


3. Once again, I find that the manner in which this is all being reported and handled is less than what it should be. My position is simple and needs no real flair:

- A child is missing and we (Humanity) should respect the pain and NOT bathe in the festivity of it all.

Are you really concerned? - Pray.
Do you really care? Write to Beth and tell her so.
Are you a good person? Then respect the issue and not the circus.

be well
charles
Comment by Charles Croes | December 15, 2007

5. Nice comments!

First off, Charles Croes is my biological father (I know his cruelty well)
-Moreover, he is a “famous liar” in circles that know him well. He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part is that, although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good. I would say he lacks some very basic human elements as well. Compassion and honesty being only the tip of the iceberg.

In summary, one needs only poke around his shady and needfully obfuscated personal histories to understand that his comments are just hot air. Albeit super-heated at times.
In my opinion, Charles Croes is not the type of man to altruistically help Natalie Holloway, he is the kind of man who would stand on her dead body if the view was only slightly better.

Adam (ashamed of his last name) Croes
Comment by Atomiczzz | February 4, 2008

6. What I have always found of most interest is, who was the person who talked to Joran right after Natalee disappeared - in the wee hours of the morning - Charles Croes. Who was the person who was the first to make contact with Beth Holloway (and provide a cell phone) - Charles Croes. I could ask another question related to the most recent developments - but I’ll leave that to your imagination. I realize it is a small island and that everyone knows everyone, but so much doesn’t add up. I hope that the truth will finally be revealed.

Adam - you would know best what kind of man he is. I put most stock in your comment, above all.
Comment by Honey | February 17, 2008

http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 10, 2008, 10:18:23 PM
Posted at RU in their thread "Joran in Thailand?":

Quote from: Saucey
Thailand? Ok close... BUT.. can you say Malaysia.
Yes Malaysia. Specifically, Johor Bahru . Now Malaysia sits below Thailand yes. Johor Bahru sits at the bottom of Malaysia. Check a map and see where it is. My money is on ...Johor Bahru, Malaysia. That be the correct place where Joran is.

The correct place for Joran is six feet under.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 10:24:39 PM
Chuck Croes is so full of turkey boopie, his eyes are brown, huh?    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 10:30:26 PM
Does anyone really think he simply looked
Joe Tacopina up in the Yellow Book, on a whim?

look at this schmuck on the right

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/DB117.jpg)

tacopina wanna be  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 10:34:23 PM
Guys, they have been throwin' up the two finger signs for decades.

It really is played out!

To me all it says is:


"Two ... Two    BUTTHOLES! AHA HA HA HAAA HAAAAAA!!!!!"   

-THE COUNT (Sesame Street)

 ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 10:37:33 PM
Posted at RU in their thread "Joran in Thailand?":

Quote from: Saucey
Thailand? Ok close... BUT.. can you say Malaysia.
Yes Malaysia. Specifically, Johor Bahru . Now Malaysia sits below Thailand yes. Johor Bahru sits at the bottom of Malaysia. Check a map and see where it is. My money is on ...Johor Bahru, Malaysia. That be the correct place where Joran is.
::MonkeyHaHa:: Now this is a country I know very well, They carry the Death penalty there for drugs even Marijuana  ::MonkeyWink:: I seriously doubt he is in Malaysia and if he gets in trouble there and he is in deep Sh$%


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 10, 2008, 10:39:40 PM
Posted at RU in their thread "Joran in Thailand?":

Quote from: Saucey
Thailand? Ok close... BUT.. can you say Malaysia.
Yes Malaysia. Specifically, Johor Bahru . Now Malaysia sits below Thailand yes. Johor Bahru sits at the bottom of Malaysia. Check a map and see where it is. My money is on ...Johor Bahru, Malaysia. That be the correct place where Joran is.
::MonkeyHaHa:: Now this is a country I know very well, They carry the Death penalty there for drugs even Marijuana  ::MonkeyWink:: I seriously doubt he is in Malaysia and if he gets in trouble there and he is in deep Sh$%
At the least  a good caning!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 10:43:17 PM
Not one sighting of Joran and in todays world with all the camera phones you know we would have seen something by now. He would be easily spotted in any part of Holland. Someone is obviously hiding him,feeding him,housing him and protecting him. Is it a Govt or someone else? Does he have security also?

Rob:Booshi and others are already huge disgraces and major embarrassments but yet they continue  ::MonkeyNoNo::



I had a YT email from a Nederlander that I've been corresponding with

for quite awhile. She told me Joran is so thoroughly despised in the whole

country at this point... he'd be a dead-man out walking the open streets.

They are disgusted with him.
Yeh,he's one of the most popular people in all of Holland and would be spotted instantly just about anywhere. How long has it been since he walked alone on the streets? Since February? This cannot go on forever and sooner or later we will know who is hiding him. The Dutch know and they know who is paying all his bills.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2008, 10:43:47 PM
Posted at RU in their thread "Joran in Thailand?":

Quote from: Saucey
Thailand? Ok close... BUT.. can you say Malaysia.
Yes Malaysia. Specifically, Johor Bahru . Now Malaysia sits below Thailand yes. Johor Bahru sits at the bottom of Malaysia. Check a map and see where it is. My money is on ...Johor Bahru, Malaysia. That be the correct place where Joran is.
::MonkeyHaHa:: Now this is a country I know very well, They carry the Death penalty there for drugs even Marijuana  ::MonkeyWink:: I seriously doubt he is in Malaysia and if he gets in trouble there and he is in deep Sh$%

that's what I was thinking...ya don't mess around in Malaysia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 10, 2008, 10:45:10 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh::

Wreck,

Your AVI's absolutely slay me on a daily basis. I'm lovin' 'em.

You possess a fabulous sense of humor, dude.


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 11:01:43 PM
Posted at RU in their thread "Joran in Thailand?":

Quote from: Saucey
Thailand? Ok close... BUT.. can you say Malaysia.
Yes Malaysia. Specifically, Johor Bahru . Now Malaysia sits below Thailand yes. Johor Bahru sits at the bottom of Malaysia. Check a map and see where it is. My money is on ...Johor Bahru, Malaysia. That be the correct place where Joran is.
::MonkeyHaHa:: Now this is a country I know very well, They carry the Death penalty there for drugs even Marijuana  ::MonkeyWink:: I seriously doubt he is in Malaysia and if he gets in trouble there and he is in deep Sh$%

that's what I was thinking...ya don't mess around in Malaysia
WTH would he be doing in Malaysia? A guest of the sultan of brunei? ROFL! He is very well known BTW for paying models and playmates huge money for sex and long stays in Malaysia. He even held a couple of American woman against there will. He is by far the most powerful man in Malaysia and has been for quite some time. A decade ago he was the richest man in the world.

There is a movie that came out a while ago called Return to Paradise involving 3 Americans,which has a much happier ending then others who did get the death penalty for trafficking. When I lived there it was not a rare occurance to see Europeans or Australians put to death for narcotics. It's part of the golden triangle and they take drug trafficking very seriously with laos,cambodia and thailand to the north. It's a muslim state and you will see similar strict laws like in other Muslim countries. The Death penalty is mandatory for trafficking Narcotics in or out of the country.

It's a beautiful country filled with thousands of islands and home to the worlds oldest rain forest. Great place to visit..I just have a hard time believing Joran would be visiting there. Kuala Lumpur and Johor Bahru are two of the biggest city's and if he is in Malaysia thats where he would be,unless he's on a resort island fully paid or visiting the jungle to the North..lol..

The other side of Malaysia was colonized by the Dutch..So maybe they are sending him there till the smoke blows over?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 10, 2008, 11:30:30 PM
There are several Dutch settlements in Malaysia..Most notably in Malacca..At one time the Dutch were all over South East Asia when shipping and trading was big hundreds of years ago. You can still see there presence in places like Malacca in Malaysia on the eastern side. My dad called that the Dutch part of Malaysia. We didn't visit there much as there were so many better places to visit on the other side and our favorite islands.

Joran's parents talked about sending Joran on a sabbatical to Africa so he could get a dose of Reality..As you know the Dutch settled in South Africa and speak Afrikaner there,but it is still a very dangerous place. Maybe they changed his trip to Malaysia where its much safer?

Dutch East Indies
(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1981/evolutionofthedutcheastbz8.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 10, 2008, 11:48:14 PM
FWIW - that poster at RU (Saucey) hasn't really posted info that makes me believe they know what they are talking about (I checked their previous posts).  I have no idea why Saucey is saying Malaysia  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 12:03:54 AM
Theres a good size article in tommorows Awemainta..No need to copy the article as we wont understand much of it anyways ::MonkeyWink::

Fraude and Corrupcion at great scale for Public Minister of the Netherlands


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 11, 2008, 12:59:01 AM
FWIW - that poster at RU (Saucey) hasn't really posted info that makes me believe they know what they are talking about (I checked their previous posts).  I have no idea why Saucey is saying Malaysia  ::MonkeyWink::

IWAL (It's worth a lot).   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thanks, Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 11, 2008, 01:04:30 AM
I better do a deodorant check.  I think I just cleared the room. ::MonkeyShocked::

Casa, have you talked to the cuz recently?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 01:06:37 AM
I better do a deodorant check.  I think I just cleared the room. ::MonkeyShocked::

Casa, have you talked to the cuz recently?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nope, it's just getting late.  I'm getting ready to call it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: casa on June 11, 2008, 01:10:54 AM
I better do a deodorant check.  I think I just cleared the room. ::MonkeyShocked::

Casa, have you talked to the cuz recently?

Yes, talked to her the other day.  She is doing well. Memorial Day week end was a hard one for the entire family but they got through it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 11, 2008, 01:47:54 AM
I better do a deodorant check.  I think I just cleared the room. ::MonkeyShocked::

Casa, have you talked to the cuz recently?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nope, it's just getting late.  I'm getting ready to call it a night.

GOODNIGHT ALL!

Nite, Klaas!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 11, 2008, 01:50:51 AM
I better do a deodorant check.  I think I just cleared the room. ::MonkeyShocked::

Casa, have you talked to the cuz recently?

Yes, talked to her the other day.  She is doing well. Memorial Day week end was a hard one for the entire family but they got through it.

I'm so sorry.  Just 'trying to get through' is a hard way to live.  Prayers for, and positive thoughts to all of them at this time


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 11, 2008, 07:16:36 AM
Hi Karma and Rob,

Loved your pics.  Would you mind if I used the one with the cat as my avatar since I don't have one, only thing is I don't know how to add one.  LOL
 
::MonkeyRoll::

Hi KYcat
I would be honored!You all sure look beautiful together.
:)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2008, 08:24:34 AM
I received this in an email from a friend PurpleRoses posted it at BFN

Klaas can you make it larger maybe be Natalee at Moomba's


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/moomba-party-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: mrskub on June 11, 2008, 08:36:00 AM
Good Morning Monkey Friends.

I found this article in Bon Dia this morning. It looks like Valentijn VDS has received the USA President's Educational Award.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/social.jpg)
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=11&Itemid=33

In researching this, it was made clear that the International School of Aruba (ISA) is assisted by the US State department, in some capacity, through the office of Overseas schools.

   "The President's Education and American Citizenship Award Programs

    In collaboration with the Department of Education, the National Association of Elementary School Principals and the National Association of Secondary School Principals, OS offers the President's Education Awards Program to encourage all students in Department-assisted overseas schools to reach their highest academic potential through awards for either outstanding achievement or improvement. In 2007, over 7,000 students from 110 of these schools received the President's Education Award.Approximately 56,000 students in Department-assisted overseas schools have earned this award since the inception of the program.

Department-assisted overseas schools have also participated in the American Citizenship Award Program, introduced in 2002, which honors students in elementary, middle, or high school, regardless of nationality, who have shown by their words and actions that they possess the qualities and characteristics of a good citizen. The objective of the program is to promote appreciation of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, build responsible, knowledgeable citizens, foster community service and volunteerism, strengthen student self-esteem, and inspire enthusiastic school spirit. In 2007, over 900 students were so honored."
http://www.state.gov/m/a/os/57726.htm

I'm sorry, but this ticks me off. I feel like it's a slap in the face by our government to award this to ANY member of a family who is under suspicion for the death of an American. I also wonder, given the annual price tag of $40,000+ for Emerson College, if there isn't some financial assistance that the US is providing for him to attend.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 08:41:47 AM
FBI Protecting Americans overseas

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
An American is Harmed Overseas


http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june08/international_060308.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 08:53:39 AM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/Natalee-moomba-party-2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/nataleecollection1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 09:01:53 AM
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1023/closeu1editedec3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1353240123071029229mWWxpd


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 11, 2008, 09:08:11 AM
Quote
Foundation Adopt an addict

ORANJESTAD – Mambo, the association of shop owners of Caya Betico Croes, has taken the initiative to set up a new foundation for support to drug addicts.   The foundation Adopt an Addict wants to collect money for helping chollers (addicts) to kick-off and rehabilitate from this growing problem group.

The shop owners of Main Street hate the inconvenience caused by the homeless people addicted to drugs.  Chair Audrey Croes-Laclé called it a ‘big epidemic’ during a press conference last Monday.  He was not referring to just the problems for the business owners and the public of the center Oranjestad, but also for the families of the chollers and for the relief workers that help these people.   

Other than raising money to give the chollers prospect on a decent existence, the Foundation also wants to be giving direct and concrete support, with the prospect on improving their living conditions.  The foundation wants to start a programme for sponsorship for companies and private individuals that want to contribute financially to the kicking-off of the chollers on our island and elsewhere.   

Greg Peterson, chairman of the Red Cross is pleased with Mambo’s initiative to sponsor chollers.  “The choller problem has become gigantic.  We think that there are more than 1000 problematic addicts, of which the majority stays in San Nicolas most of the time.  The group of people that due to their addiction are homeless and have no longer an income is growing.  There is a phrase in the Caribbean that says: It takes a village to raise a child.  Our village hasn’t managed to keep these people on board.”

Peterson hopes that the private initiative of Mambo will lead to public-private cooperation.  “That’s what we need.  A government that assumes her responsibility and a private sector that helps the government give shape to that responsibility.”

The initiative has already delivered the first concrete action.  Minister Oosterhuis of the Protestant Church in the Wilhelminastraat will take up collection this Sunday for the Foundation Adopt an Addict.

People that want more information or are considering a financial contribution, can contact the foundation via e-mail at adoptanaddict@hotmail.com.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 11, 2008, 09:08:46 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:09:46 AM
I received this in an email from a friend PurpleRoses posted it at BFN

Klaas can you make it larger maybe be Natalee at Moomba's


(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Evidence/moomba-party-1.jpg)

I don't believe this picture is new.  I thought, at one time, it was examined.  The top was more of a tank top (not halter) with wide straps...IIRC.

Is PurpleRoses also Florida/Opus?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2008, 09:10:57 AM
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1023/closeu1editedec3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1353240123071029229mWWxpd

OK I see now Date uploaded: May 25, 2005 so it can't be her. Thank You  guys


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:11:30 AM
Good Morning Monkey Friends.

I found this article in Bon Dia this morning. It looks like Valentijn VDS has received the USA President's Educational Award.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/social.jpg)
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=11&Itemid=33

In researching this, it was made clear that the International School of Aruba (ISA) is assisted by the US State department, in some capacity, through the office of Overseas schools.

   "The President's Education and American Citizenship Award Programs

    In collaboration with the Department of Education, the National Association of Elementary School Principals and the National Association of Secondary School Principals, OS offers the President's Education Awards Program to encourage all students in Department-assisted overseas schools to reach their highest academic potential through awards for either outstanding achievement or improvement. In 2007, over 7,000 students from 110 of these schools received the President's Education Award.Approximately 56,000 students in Department-assisted overseas schools have earned this award since the inception of the program.

Department-assisted overseas schools have also participated in the American Citizenship Award Program, introduced in 2002, which honors students in elementary, middle, or high school, regardless of nationality, who have shown by their words and actions that they possess the qualities and characteristics of a good citizen. The objective of the program is to promote appreciation of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, build responsible, knowledgeable citizens, foster community service and volunteerism, strengthen student self-esteem, and inspire enthusiastic school spirit. In 2007, over 900 students were so honored."
http://www.state.gov/m/a/os/57726.htm

I'm sorry, but this ticks me off. I feel like it's a slap in the face by our government to award this to ANY member of a family who is under suspicion for the death of an American. I also wonder, given the annual price tag of $40,000+ for Emerson College, if there isn't some financial assistance that the US is providing for him to attend.





I couldn't find his name on the 2008 list.  The only names I found were Americans, in overseas schools.   :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 09:11:51 AM
That picture is not new and was posted by Pearl last year at BFN.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2008, 09:13:11 AM
Is PurpleRoses also Florida/Opus?

YES also Debra/my2cents,etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2008, 09:19:12 AM
Quote
Foundation Adopt an addict

ORANJESTAD – Mambo, the association of shop owners of Caya Betico Croes, has taken the initiative to set up a new foundation for support to drug addicts.   The foundation Adopt an Addict wants to collect money for helping chollers (addicts) to kick-off and rehabilitate from this growing problem group.

The shop owners of Main Street hate the inconvenience caused by the homeless people addicted to drugs.  Chair Audrey Croes-Laclé called it a ‘big epidemic’ during a press conference last Monday.  He was not referring to just the problems for the business owners and the public of the center Oranjestad, but also for the families of the chollers and for the relief workers that help these people.   

Other than raising money to give the chollers prospect on a decent existence, the Foundation also wants to be giving direct and concrete support, with the prospect on improving their living conditions.  The foundation wants to start a programme for sponsorship for companies and private individuals that want to contribute financially to the kicking-off of the chollers on our island and elsewhere.   

Greg Peterson, chairman of the Red Cross is pleased with Mambo’s initiative to sponsor chollers.  “The choller problem has become gigantic.  We think that there are more than 1000 problematic addicts, of which the majority stays in San Nicolas most of the time.  The group of people that due to their addiction are homeless and have no longer an income is growing.  There is a phrase in the Caribbean that says: It takes a village to raise a child.  Our village hasn’t managed to keep these people on board.”

Peterson hopes that the private initiative of Mambo will lead to public-private cooperation.  “That’s what we need.  A government that assumes her responsibility and a private sector that helps the government give shape to that responsibility.”

The initiative has already delivered the first concrete action.  Minister Oosterhuis of the Protestant Church in the Wilhelminastraat will take up collection this Sunday for the Foundation Adopt an Addict.

People that want more information or are considering a financial contribution, can contact the foundation via e-mail at adoptanaddict@hotmail.com.
With all their empty hotel rooms (and even more vacancies forecasted) they could give all the chollers free accomodations.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:21:12 AM
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1023/closeu1editedec3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1353240123071029229mWWxpd

Does that say date uploaded May 25, 2005??  Wouldn't that have been Wed?  Natalee didn't arrive until Thurs??  :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:25:17 AM
Is PurpleRoses also Florida/Opus?

YES also Debra/my2cents,etc.

Thanks Blonde.  I thought I recognized her style.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 09:27:05 AM
Good Morning Monkey Friends.

I found this article in Bon Dia this morning. It looks like Valentijn VDS has received the USA President's Educational Award.

(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/tkubi7/social.jpg)
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=11&Itemid=33

In researching this, it was made clear that the International School of Aruba (ISA) is assisted by the US State department, in some capacity, through the office of Overseas schools.

   "The President's Education and American Citizenship Award Programs

    In collaboration with the Department of Education, the National Association of Elementary School Principals and the National Association of Secondary School Principals, OS offers the President's Education Awards Program to encourage all students in Department-assisted overseas schools to reach their highest academic potential through awards for either outstanding achievement or improvement. In 2007, over 7,000 students from 110 of these schools received the President's Education Award.Approximately 56,000 students in Department-assisted overseas schools have earned this award since the inception of the program.

Department-assisted overseas schools have also participated in the American Citizenship Award Program, introduced in 2002, which honors students in elementary, middle, or high school, regardless of nationality, who have shown by their words and actions that they possess the qualities and characteristics of a good citizen. The objective of the program is to promote appreciation of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship, build responsible, knowledgeable citizens, foster community service and volunteerism, strengthen student self-esteem, and inspire enthusiastic school spirit. In 2007, over 900 students were so honored."
http://www.state.gov/m/a/os/57726.htm

I'm sorry, but this ticks me off. I feel like it's a slap in the face by our government to award this to ANY member of a family who is under suspicion for the death of an American. I also wonder, given the annual price tag of $40,000+ for Emerson College, if there isn't some financial assistance that the US is providing for him to attend.







mrskub,  I am so with you on how you feel. This award, in itself, is really not a big deal.  It's a certificate and a pin, if the school pays for the pin.  The academic requirements aren't even all that high.  Many high school seniors get this award each year.

I am annoyed that this award was given to a noncitizen in a private school in a foreign country that has no respect for the welfare of our US citizens.  We're giving awards to their high school seniors, and they are killing our high school seniors. I noticed that the International School of Aruba advertises on it's website that they are financial supported by our State Dept.  This really makes me mad.  The International School system is a private business.  I contacted the Headmaster of ISA and requested an explanation.  As usual, there has been no response.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 09:28:22 AM
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1023/closeu1editedec3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1353240123071029229mWWxpd

Does that say date uploaded May 25, 2005??  Wouldn't that have been Wed?  Natalee didn't arrive until Thurs??  :smt102

You know I saw this photo at BFN posted by Purple/Opus and never bothered to look at the link.  YES, it was uploaded May 25, 2005 so Natalee wasn't even in Aruba at the time  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:29:01 AM
Wasn't there a big issue about moving the choller houses further to the country (south) because they were bad for downtown business?  My guess is that this is a fund raiser to build "new" tenement housing, away from the tourist areas.  I was going to say that I can't see Renfro attending rehab with chollers, but she does seem to think they are quite intelligent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 11, 2008, 09:31:51 AM
Excess Inventory list!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::3.

This is the "excess inventory list" in my family's vacation plan. It comes out on Fridays and goes 8 weeks out. Friday the list will have maybe 20-30 places in the summer that are not booked. You have to call right at 1pm to be able to book one because they go fast. Now remember...the list is always 8 weeks out. So this Friday's list will contain properties avaiable in August. What is left on Monday is usually the crappy ones!!! hahahaha

Check out the July list...Aruba is still vacant!! Anyone want to book it??!! lol Only $90.00 for THE WEEK!!! plus an $88.00 handling fee.

What a hoot!!! And since it is a new property...they are really trying to promote it!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Chunky Rat...didn't really need to write customer service...I think the vacancy rate of the Aruba property speaks for itself!!!
You laugh at us as we stand at the Tourism Trade shows passing out our fliers and tote bags...but we pass out hundreds and hundreds!!! Just might be reminding people of Natalee and what was done to her and the lack of justice her family received. Just might be having and impact!!!


WK #27  05 JUL-12 JUL  SAT-SAT
Allegro Playacar - Playa Del Carmen
Aruban Resort and Casino - Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Emerald Suites - Las Vegas , NV
Hotel Moloka'i - KAUNAKAKAI, MOLOKAI , HI
Pointe Resort Condominiums - PHOENIX , AZ

WK #27  06 JUL-13 JUL  SUN-SUN
Aruban Resort and Casino - Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Marina Del Sol - Mazatlan

WK #28  11 JUL-18 JUL  FRI-FRI
Lakeview Villas - BASYE , VA
South Palm Suites - Lake Worth , FL
TUSCANY MANOR - Palm Springs , CA

WK #28  12 JUL-19 JUL  SAT-SAT
203 Caddy Road - ROTONDA WEST , FL
Aruban Resort and Casino - Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Emerald Suites - Las Vegas , NV
Home Farm - Stowe , VT
Hotel Moloka'i - KAUNAKAKAI, MOLOKAI , HI
Pointe Resort Condominiums - PHOENIX , AZ
Solymar - CANCUN, MEXICO
South Palm Suites - Lake Worth , FL
The Lodge At Stillwater - Heber City , UT
VILLAGE INN & SPA - RODNEY BAY VILLAGE, ST LUCIA

WK #28  13 JUL-20 JUL  SUN-SUN
Aruban Resort and Casino - Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Marina Del Sol - Mazatlan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: mrskub on June 11, 2008, 09:39:36 AM




I couldn't find his name on the 2008 list.  The only names I found were Americans, in overseas schools.   :smt102
[/quote]


Buckeye, it's 11 lines down in the article.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:54:55 AM




I couldn't find his name on the 2008 list.  The only names I found were Americans, in overseas schools.   :smt102


Buckeye, it's 11 lines down in the article.
[/quote]

Thanks.
I saw the article.  Originally, I thought he was a Presidential Scholar.  The recipients are listed on the Presidential Scholar website.  His name was not listed....only US citizens and US citizens in US supported, foreign schools.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: jackb on June 11, 2008, 10:57:30 AM
Quote
Foundation Adopt an addict

ORANJESTAD – Mambo, the association of shop owners of Caya Betico Croes, has taken the initiative to set up a new foundation for support to drug addicts.   The foundation Adopt an Addict wants to collect money for helping chollers (addicts) to kick-off and rehabilitate from this growing problem group.

The shop owners of Main Street hate the inconvenience caused by the homeless people addicted to drugs.  Chair Audrey Croes-Laclé called it a ‘big epidemic’ during a press conference last Monday.  He was not referring to just the problems for the business owners and the public of the center Oranjestad, but also for the families of the chollers and for the relief workers that help these people.   

Other than raising money to give the chollers prospect on a decent existence, the Foundation also wants to be giving direct and concrete support, with the prospect on improving their living conditions.  The foundation wants to start a programme for sponsorship for companies and private individuals that want to contribute financially to the kicking-off of the chollers on our island and elsewhere.   

Greg Peterson, chairman of the Red Cross is pleased with Mambo’s initiative to sponsor chollers.  “The choller problem has become gigantic.  We think that there are more than 1000 problematic addicts, of which the majority stays in San Nicolas most of the time.  The group of people that due to their addiction are homeless and have no longer an income is growing.  There is a phrase in the Caribbean that says: It takes a village to raise a child.  Our village hasn’t managed to keep these people on board.”

Peterson hopes that the private initiative of Mambo will lead to public-private cooperation.  “That’s what we need.  A government that assumes her responsibility and a private sector that helps the government give shape to that responsibility.”

The initiative has already delivered the first concrete action.  Minister Oosterhuis of the Protestant Church in the Wilhelminastraat will take up collection this Sunday for the Foundation Adopt an Addict.

People that want more information or are considering a financial contribution, can contact the foundation via e-mail at adoptanaddict@hotmail.com.
With all their empty hotel rooms (and even more vacancies forecasted) they could give all the chollers free accomodations.

A good portion of those in charge are addicts, no doubt.  They are just setting themselves up a retirement plan.  When the cash runs out they want to be adopted.   j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 11:16:02 AM
Not one sighting of Joran and in todays world with all the camera phones you know we would have seen something by now. He would be easily spotted in any part of Holland. Someone is obviously hiding him,feeding him,housing him and protecting him. Is it a Govt or someone else? Does he have security also?

Rob:Booshi and others are already huge disgraces and major embarrassments but yet they continue  ::MonkeyNoNo::



I had a YT email from a Nederlander that I've been corresponding with

for quite awhile. She told me Joran is so thoroughly despised in the whole

country at this point... he'd be a dead-man out walking the open streets.

They are disgusted with him.
Yeh,he's one of the most popular people in all of Holland and would be spotted instantly just about anywhere. How long has it been since he walked alone on the streets? Since February? This cannot go on forever and sooner or later we will know who is hiding him. The Dutch know and they know who is paying all his bills.

That's why i think he is all the time in den dolder *******


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 11, 2008, 11:19:59 AM
Cnn.com/crime has an article about Bauder College Students working on the Natalee Holloway Case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: mojo on June 11, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
highly unlikely on any gov subsidies. emerson college is private and val is not a US citizen that's two against on any sort of gov't grants or loans. scholarships through the school or otherwise is a different matter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 11:28:45 AM
Cnn.com/crime has an article about Bauder College Students working on the Natalee Holloway Case.


.... This year's Levy and Holloway investigations seem to carry special meaning for the students.

"Natalee Holloway was graduating high school. She had so many plans, so many things to do, so it just makes it a little more close to home," Gosdin said. "It could happen to any of us. You just, you never know."

"They identify very well with Natalee and with Chandra," McCollum said. "With Chandra, she was a criminal justice major at one time, and she had aspirations of going into the federal government; a lot of our students do as well. And with Natalee, I've got several students who are 19, 20 years old, really on that cusp of starting their college career."
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Susan Levy and Beth Holloway personally met with the crime club class of 2008. One student, Antonio Wilson, was so moved that he drove to Natalee Holloway's hometown, Mountain Brook, Alabama, after talking with her mother.



"The students became completely dedicated once they met the family members of the victims," McCollum said. "The victims are real people, the cases are real cases, and the research is real investigative work."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/11/crime.club/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: mojo on June 11, 2008, 11:32:54 AM
and so what....this is hardly worth the paper it's printed on  ::MonkeyEek::

President’s Education Awards Program FAQs  (http://www.naesp.org/ContentLoad.do?contentId=1539)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 12:17:24 PM
I spent some time, also, looking at the Presidential Award site, ISA site.  ISA is owned by a local organization 'Stichting'.  Searching some more, I found that the Aruba Hotel School was once governed by STICHTING ARUBA HOSPITALITY TRADES TRAINING  CENTER, and at that site I found many familiar surnames under faculty members ( ::MonkeyHaHa:: one poor woman's name just says Ms.)....the school is now part of Colegio Arubano (sp)...called Education Professional Intermedio....bottom line, though is that it's all linked to AHATA, etc.

Here's the link...check out faculty members:

http://www.aruba.com/extlinks/epiweb/index.php


ISA is accredited a US admin, is associated with American International Schools, has US staff & administrators, so that's probably why they can participate so easily in the Presidential Award program.  imo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 12:27:04 PM
It might be an interesting project for the student investigators from Bauder College, to interview Val (if he actually is going to attend Emerson in Boston and not the branch in the Neth), regarding his online activity and conversations.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 12:29:24 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

Stichting means foundation in Dutch....I should have looked it up first...thought it was a name.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 12:31:51 PM
I spent some time, also, looking at the Presidential Award site, ISA site.  ISA is owned by a local organization 'Stichting'.  Searching some more, I found that the Aruba Hotel School was once governed by STICHTING ARUBA HOSPITALITY TRADES TRAINING  CENTER, and at that site I found many familiar surnames under faculty members ( ::MonkeyHaHa:: one poor woman's name just says Ms.)....the school is now part of Colegio Arubano (sp)...called Education Professional Intermedio....bottom line, though is that it's all linked to AHATA, etc.

Here's the link...check out faculty members:

http://www.aruba.com/extlinks/epiweb/index.php


ISA is accredited a US admin, is associated with American International Schools, has US staff & administrators, so that's probably why they can participate so easily in the Presidential Award program.  imo




Hi 2NJ,

I checked ISA out a little while back.  They are also connected to and part of American Schools Internaional which is a private business out of Princeton.  Were you OK with the storm?  I was pelted with hail and lost all power until 5 AM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 12:38:35 PM
Here is an archived article I found about the kid graduating with Valentin- Gianni Ferrara, kidnapped at the age of 8 from his Italian parents in Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Throught the aid of the Italian government along with a ransom paid by his father he was returned to them and is now graduating. Not sure why I am so interested in this........now are there any translators?

++++++++
Per Gianni Ferrara, 8 anni, 650 milioni di riscatto. Altro blitz: torna a casa l' imprenditore Silvio Di Lanzo sequestrato in Venezuela
Liberato il bambino rapito ad Aruba
Le prime parole al padre: " Sto bene, sono anche ingrassato " . Presa la banda

----------------------------------------------------------------- Per Gianni Ferrara, 8 anni, 650 milioni di riscatto. Altro blitz: torna a casa l'imprenditore Silvio Di Lanzo sequestrato in Venezuela Liberato il bambino rapito ad Aruba Le prime parole al padre: "Sto bene, sono anche ingrassato". Presa la banda DAL NOSTRO INVIATO CARACAS - "Papa', stai calmo, sei troppo agitato. Sono io, Giovanni, sto benissimo. Non vedi? Sono perfino ingrassato...". Sono state queste le prime parole, pronunciate in spagnolo, che domenica sera (in Italia erano le 3.30 di lunedi' mattina) hanno sancito la fine di un incubo che durava da 73 gioni. + libero, sano e salvo, infatti, da ieri, il bambino di 8 anni, figlio di un napoletano, sequestrato nel Mar dei Caraibi. La famiglia non sta in se' dalla gioia, i rapitori sono stati tutti identificati, in maggioranza arrestati e in parte braccati, la Farnesina piu' che soddisfatta. + un successo tutto italiano il felice epilogo del rapimento, iniziato il 6 febbraio nell'isola di Aruba, del piccolo Gianni Giuliano Ferrara, quarto e ultimo figlio del ricco ristoratore di Castellammare di Stabia, Giovanni Ferrara, di 48 anni, e "festeggiato" dal contemporaneo blitz che ha portato alla liberazione dell'altro italiano rapito in Venezuela, l'impreditore Silvio Di Lanzo. Il rilascio del piccolo e' avvenuto nella terra ferma, in Venezuela, nella citta' di Maracaibo, un milione e mezzo di abitanti, capitale dello Stato di Zulia e del petrolio, la maggior ricchezza del Paese. Domenica sera, alle ore 21.30 locali, il bambino e' riapparso come dal nulla in buone condizioni fisiche e psicologiche sulle rive del grandissimo lago su cui sorge la seconda citta' del Venezuela, che dista poche decine di chilometri dall'isola in cui era stato prelevato. Indossava gli stessi pantaloncini e la stessa maglietta della sera del sequestro. In piu' aveva alcuni chili e un paio di scarpe nuove. Quelle che i rapitori si erano degnati di comprargli dato che lo avevano rapito scalzo. Proprio questo particolare era stato il segnale di riconoscimento nella seconda telefonata, quando i familiari, in preda all'angoscia, avevano chiesto un segno di riconoscimento preciso per non cadere nelle mani di sciacalli: "Era scalzo, il bambino", gli rispose il telefonista della banda. Il rilascio, come detto, e' avvenuto in piazza della Repubblica dove il piccolo ostaggio ha atteso che il padre convocato dai sequestratori giungesse in taxi. Vedendo il genitore incredulo e agitatissimo il bambino ha pensato bene di rincuorarlo, parlando in perfetto spagnolo con qualche parola di italiano ma senza neppure una in papiamento, la lingua delle Antille olandesi: "L'ho dimenticato del tutto", si e' giustificato il piccolo. Quasi contemporaneamente al padre e' giunto anche il rappresentante delle forze di polizia italiane che ha avuto un ruolo determinante in questo sequestro: il capitano dei carabinieri Gennaro Scala. Per la verita' la liberazione, se non annunciata, era ormai prevedibile: il riscatto, 360 mila dollari, circa 650 milioni di lire (ma la richiesta iniziale era stata niente meno che di 2 milioni e mezzo di dollari) era stata pagata sabato sera sempre a Maracaibo proprio dall'ufficiale dei carabinieri. Il quale, spacciandosi per un parente dell'ostaggio, aveva cosi' voluto compiere l'ultima beffa alla scalcagnata, ma pericolosa banda dei sequestratori di cui sapeva quasi tutto, grazie ai pedinamenti e alle intercettazioni compiuti da un efficiente nucleo della polizia venezuelana, messo a disposizione del nostro ufficiale che ha usato la sua ventennale esperienza di investigatore per mettere nel sacco una banda che godeva dell'appoggio di un basista molto vicino alla famiglia Ferrara. Le indagini condotte in perfetto accordo tra Venezuela, Olanda e Italia, in effetti, grazie al coordinamento internazionale attribuito al nostro carabiniere dal magistrato di Aruba, sono state efficacissime: gli autori del sequestro sono stati identificati tutti dopo qualche settimana e la maggior parte, ben trentasette persone, ieri e' finita nelle poco ospitali carceri locali. E quelli che sono in liberta', pare cinque, hanno le ore contate. + stata recuperata perfino una parte del riscatto pagato. Intanto ieri l'ex ostaggio e i suoi familiari hanno cambiato area per ragioni di sicurezza. La madre di Gianni, Filomena, non era in se' dalla gioia: "E' finito l'incubo. Adesso sto bene, finalmente mio figlio e' stato liberato". ----------------------------------------------------------------- IL RETROSCENA Cosi' un capitano dei carabinieri ha dato la svolta all'indagine In una telefonata la chiave dell'inchiesta L'ufficiale e' addetto militare dell'ambasciata DAL NOSTRO INVIATO CARACAS - Il capitano Gennaro Scala, che ha seguito il sequestro del bambino fin dai primi giorni ed e' diventato il regista delle indagini in continuo collegamento con il capo della polizia italiana, ha assaggiato sulla sua pelle quanto sia amaro passare da indagatore a indagato, anzi incarcerato. Gennaro Scala, infatti, cinquanta anni, sposato, due figli universitari, pur avendo alle spalle una brillante carriera prima come collaboratore del generale Dalla Chiesa nella lotta al terrorismo, poi comandante dei nuclei operativi a Verona e a Palermo, proprio nella citta' siciliana ha conosciuto il momento peggiore della sua vita di uomo e di militare. Nell'ottobre 1985 fu coinvolto, quale comandante del nucleo operativo, nell'inchiesta sul caso di Salvatore Marino, il picciotto che mori' sotto interrogatorio in questura. Il capitano si fece quindici mesi di carcere, fu sospeso, gli fu bloccata la carriera (gliela stanno ricostruendo solo adesso) salvo vedersi assolto in tutti i gradi di giudizio ad essere pienamente riabilitato. Trasferito come addetto militare all'Ambasciata di Caracas si e' buttato anima e corpo nell'inchiesta per salvare il bambino e assicurare alla giustizia venezuelana i colpevoli. La svolta nell'inchiesta sul sequestro del bambino risale alle 21.30 di sabato 21 febbraio quando la capitale Oranjestad e il resto degli 80 mila abitanti di Aruba avevano in mente il Carnevale. Solamente la famiglia Ferrara aveva ben altro a cui pensare. Giovanni Ferrara infatti si era trasferito a uno dei suoi tre ristoranti, il Solemare, in compagnia del capitano Scala sperando di avere un contatto con i banditi. I rapitori infatti si erano fatti vivi solamente una volta, il giorno dopo il sequestro a casa di Michael, il fratello di Filomena, la moglie di Ferrara. La telefonata era sta intercettata in Venezuela, Scala ne era stato subito informato e aveva fatto disporre, d'accordo con le autorita' giudiziarie di Aruba i controlli dei telefoni. Da quella seconda chiamata al ristorante, le indagini divennero sempre piu' stringenti fino al colpo di scena di domenica sera. La felice conclusione del sequestro e' coincisa con la liberazione da parte della polizia di Silvio Di Lanzo, sequestrato sempre in Venezuela il 3 aprile insieme al fratello Roberto e alla moglie Isabel. Ma il piano dei banditi e' andato subito storto. Roberto e' riuscito a fuggire mentre la donna e' stata rilasciata qualche giorno dopo in una citta' a 150 chilometri dalla capitale. Grazie alle informazioni ottenute dalla famiglia - molto noto nel Paese - la polizia venezuelana ha stretto il cerchio attorno alla banda. E le indagini sono state coronate da successo. Gli agenti hanno liberato l'ostaggio ed hanno catturato in un primo momento dieci banditi e, successivamente altri sei sequestratori. Non sarebbe stato pagato alcun riscatto. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I PARENTI NEL NAPOLETANO La gioia di nonna Rosalia: "E' finita la grande paura" CASTELLAMMARE DI STABIA (Napoli) - Nonna Rosalia ha saputo dal telegiornale. "Ma non so ancora abbastanza. Hanno detto che mio nipote e' stato liberato e basta", dice mentre trascorre il pomeriggio a casa della figlia Maria in attesa di una telefonata da Aruba. Le due donne sono le uniche parenti strette della famiglia Ferrara rimaste a Castellammare, da dove il padre del bimbo liberato ieri parti' quasi trent'anni fa. La nonna di Gianni sta come starebbe qualsiasi altra nonna in una situazione cosi'. E' agitata: "Adesso e' cominciata un'altra attesa, l'attesa per poter parlare con il bambino, capire come sta. Io finche' non sento la sua voce non sto tranquilla, ma gia' so che dovro' aspettare domani, perche' ne' lui ne' mio figlio sono ancora tornati a casa. Comunque va bene anche cosi'. E' finito un incubo e abbiamo avuto tutti una paura tremenda. Sono felicissima". La telefonata dall'altra parte dell'oceano l'ha invece fatta immediatamente Antonio Bussi, l'amico dei Ferrara che si trovava ad Aruba quando Gianni fu rapito. "Io vado li' ogni anno, e il bambino l'ho visto crescere. Per ora sono riuscito a parlare soltanto con Filomena, sua madre. L'ho trovata serena, e ovviamente felicissima. Le ho detto che qui siamo tutti accanto a loro. Le ho detto che in questi due mesi tanta gente e' stata in ansia per il bambino".

http://tinyurl.com/64vsmp



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 12:38:45 PM
I spent some time, also, looking at the Presidential Award site, ISA site.  ISA is owned by a local organization 'Stichting'.  Searching some more, I found that the Aruba Hotel School was once governed by STICHTING ARUBA HOSPITALITY TRADES TRAINING  CENTER, and at that site I found many familiar surnames under faculty members ( ::MonkeyHaHa:: one poor woman's name just says Ms.)....the school is now part of Colegio Arubano (sp)...called Education Professional Intermedio....bottom line, though is that it's all linked to AHATA, etc.

Here's the link...check out faculty members:

http://www.aruba.com/extlinks/epiweb/index.php


ISA is accredited a US admin, is associated with American International Schools, has US staff & administrators, so that's probably why they can participate so easily in the Presidential Award program.  imo




Hi 2NJ,

I checked ISA out a little while back.  They are also connected to and part of American Schools Internaional which is a private business out of Princeton.  Were you OK with the storm?  I was pelted with hail and lost all power until 5 AM.

SS, I think we were saying the same thing, I just may have turned the name around.  We've all looked at ISA several times since 2005...

The storm blew through here between 8:30 & 9:30 pm.  The winds were something. Not sure what damage may have occurred.  I've not gone out and about yet today....our power was okay, thankfully.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 12:41:24 PM
Bleachedblack,

Someone posted that within the past day or so....not sure if here, or S&S thread...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 12:50:16 PM
Good catch BB  ::MonkeyCool::

On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA

without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.

FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
=====================
Also on the same Day that 38 people were arrested,Amy Bradley vanished when arriving in Curacao on a cruise ship.
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished

SM Murder and Crime thread
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg39640
WOW! Where were the 38 arrested? Amy Bradley on 3-24-98 as well?? WOW!
38 people is a lot!  ::MonkeyEek::

It appears that a lot happened with the Mobs in 1998. Smid was running the big money laundering investigation at the Excelsior and a few months later Posner took it over from the Cuntrera-Caruana clan..It wouldn't suprise me at all if the if the ferreras were caught up in all of this. I am convinced these Italian Mobsters and those associated with Posner are still major heavyweights on that island. Why was the boy kidnapped and all of those people arrested?

I bet if Jossy wanted to...He could tell us who is really at work behind the scenes and who really owns that island..And since the Lions Den was brought up..I am sure he could tell us all about that place and the sex partys.

BB,

It wasn't the article translated, just a quote from Murder & Crime thread.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 01:18:07 PM
bb

I had read the US and FBI were involved because they had the "connections".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 01:28:49 PM
in addition to the police in Caracas, would help the Fbi. In quella regione, gli investigatori americani hanno buone fonti. In that region, investigators Americans have good sources. Nel '92 scoprirono che dalle parti di Punto Fijo, grazie alla rete di complicita', si era nascosto Pablo Escobar, il ricercato numero uno dei boss colombiani. In'92 discovered that the parties Punto Fijo, thanks to the network of complicity ', had hidden Pablo Escobar, sought a number of Colombians boss. La notizia arrivo' all'Fbi e alla Dea, l'ente antidroga Usa. The news arrival 'all'Fbi and Dea, the body uses drugs.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/1998/febbraio/16/Affare_miliardario_dietro_rapimento_del_co_0_9802164711.shtml&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Gianni%2BGiuliano%2BFerrara%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 01:50:43 PM
Cnn.com/crime has an article about Bauder College Students working on the Natalee Holloway Case.


.... This year's Levy and Holloway investigations seem to carry special meaning for the students.

"Natalee Holloway was graduating high school. She had so many plans, so many things to do, so it just makes it a little more close to home," Gosdin said. "It could happen to any of us. You just, you never know."

"They identify very well with Natalee and with Chandra," McCollum said. "With Chandra, she was a criminal justice major at one time, and she had aspirations of going into the federal government; a lot of our students do as well. And with Natalee, I've got several students who are 19, 20 years old, really on that cusp of starting their college career."
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Susan Levy and Beth Holloway personally met with the crime club class of 2008. One student, Antonio Wilson, was so moved that he drove to Natalee Holloway's hometown, Mountain Brook, Alabama, after talking with her mother.



"The students became completely dedicated once they met the family members of the victims," McCollum said. "The victims are real people, the cases are real cases, and the research is real investigative work."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/11/crime.club/index.html

Thank you.

I hope each investigating student read Dave Holloway's CORRUPTION IN PARADISE and Beth Holloways LOVING NATALEE.  These books would provide excellent foundations to begin their investigative journey into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet





Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
Cnn.com/crime has an article about Bauder College Students working on the Natalee Holloway Case.


.... This year's Levy and Holloway investigations seem to carry special meaning for the students.

"Natalee Holloway was graduating high school. She had so many plans, so many things to do, so it just makes it a little more close to home," Gosdin said. "It could happen to any of us. You just, you never know."

"They identify very well with Natalee and with Chandra," McCollum said. "With Chandra, she was a criminal justice major at one time, and she had aspirations of going into the federal government; a lot of our students do as well. And with Natalee, I've got several students who are 19, 20 years old, really on that cusp of starting their college career."
advertisement

Susan Levy and Beth Holloway personally met with the crime club class of 2008. One student, Antonio Wilson, was so moved that he drove to Natalee Holloway's hometown, Mountain Brook, Alabama, after talking with her mother.



"The students became completely dedicated once they met the family members of the victims," McCollum said. "The victims are real people, the cases are real cases, and the research is real investigative work."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/11/crime.club/index.html

Thank you.

I hope each investigating student read Dave Holloway's CORRUPTION IN PARADISE and Beth Holloways LOVING NATALEE.  These books would provide excellent foundations to begin their investigative journey into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet





Janet

I don't know about "all" but this is from the log of one of the students:

After meeting Holloway at AUM, I read her book, "Loving Natalee," that she wrote with Sunny Tillman. The book left me with more questions as to what happened to Natalee. Why were suspects not interviewed in more depth? Why was the boat not searched by forensic experts? Why was the mother of the victim treated so shabbily?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/11/ccc.log.gosdin/index.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 02:08:35 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4206217/_Joran_feest_gewoon_door__.html?p=15,1

binnenland
Joran feest gewoon door
Joran van der Sloot zet de bloemetjes weer flink buiten. Het weekblad Privé onthult foto's waarop Joran met 'nieuwe Amerikaanse vrienden' feestviert in Thailand. Hij poseert, drinkend uit een emmer drank en zelfs poedeltjenaakt op het strand.
 
 

Hij zou anoniem feestvieren met andere toeristen op het eilandje Koh Samet, waar een toerist hem fotografeerde. "I am the king of the ocean", schreeuwde hij volgens de ooggetuige, terwijl hij per speedboot het eiland verliet.

Joran zou zich onder behandeling hebben laten stellen bij een psychiatrische instelling om therapie te krijgen voor 'mensen die zijn vastgelopen in het gewone leven' en kampen met 'gedrags- en psychiatrische problemen'.

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx had hem eerder geld geleend om 'tien jaar cel in Thailand te voorkomen' omdat Joran betrapt zou zijn met softdrugs. Uiteindelijk verdween 6000 euro van zijn rekening, beweerde de gedupeerde.
 
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108.jpg)



Through translator:

Joran party simply by
Joran van der Sloot put the flowers back lot outside. The weekly magazine Private unveils photographs showing Joran with "new American friends' feestviert in Thailand. He poses, drinking from a bucket and even poedeltjenaakt drink on the beach.
   
 

He would celebrate with other anonymous tourists on the island of Koh Samet, where he photographed a tourist. "I am the king of the ocean," he cried, according to the eyewitness, while he left the island by speedboat.

Joran should have been under treatment in a psychiatric institution set to receive therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life "and suffering from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems."

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx he had previously borrowed money to 'ten years in prison in Thailand to prevent' because Joran would be caught with soft drugs. Eventually 6000 euros disappeared from his account, said the injured.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 02:12:42 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 02:13:00 PM
Here is an archived article I found about the kid graduating with Valentin- Gianni Ferrara, kidnapped at the age of 8 from his Italian parents in Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Throught the aid of the Italian government along with a ransom paid by his father he was returned to them and is now graduating. Not sure why I am so interested in this........now are there any translators?

++++++++
Per Gianni Ferrara, 8 anni, 650 milioni di riscatto. Altro blitz: torna a casa l' imprenditore Silvio Di Lanzo sequestrato in Venezuela
Liberato il bambino rapito ad Aruba
Le prime parole al padre: " Sto bene, sono anche ingrassato " . Presa la banda

----------------------------------------------------------------- Per Gianni Ferrara, 8 anni, 650 milioni di riscatto. Altro blitz: torna a casa l'imprenditore Silvio Di Lanzo sequestrato in Venezuela Liberato il bambino rapito ad Aruba Le prime parole al padre: "Sto bene, sono anche ingrassato". Presa la banda DAL NOSTRO INVIATO CARACAS - "Papa', stai calmo, sei troppo agitato. Sono io, Giovanni, sto benissimo. Non vedi? Sono perfino ingrassato...". Sono state queste le prime parole, pronunciate in spagnolo, che domenica sera (in Italia erano le 3.30 di lunedi' mattina) hanno sancito la fine di un incubo che durava da 73 gioni. + libero, sano e salvo, infatti, da ieri, il bambino di 8 anni, figlio di un napoletano, sequestrato nel Mar dei Caraibi. La famiglia non sta in se' dalla gioia, i rapitori sono stati tutti identificati, in maggioranza arrestati e in parte braccati, la Farnesina piu' che soddisfatta. + un successo tutto italiano il felice epilogo del rapimento, iniziato il 6 febbraio nell'isola di Aruba, del piccolo Gianni Giuliano Ferrara, quarto e ultimo figlio del ricco ristoratore di Castellammare di Stabia, Giovanni Ferrara, di 48 anni, e "festeggiato" dal contemporaneo blitz che ha portato alla liberazione dell'altro italiano rapito in Venezuela, l'impreditore Silvio Di Lanzo. Il rilascio del piccolo e' avvenuto nella terra ferma, in Venezuela, nella citta' di Maracaibo, un milione e mezzo di abitanti, capitale dello Stato di Zulia e del petrolio, la maggior ricchezza del Paese. Domenica sera, alle ore 21.30 locali, il bambino e' riapparso come dal nulla in buone condizioni fisiche e psicologiche sulle rive del grandissimo lago su cui sorge la seconda citta' del Venezuela, che dista poche decine di chilometri dall'isola in cui era stato prelevato. Indossava gli stessi pantaloncini e la stessa maglietta della sera del sequestro. In piu' aveva alcuni chili e un paio di scarpe nuove. Quelle che i rapitori si erano degnati di comprargli dato che lo avevano rapito scalzo. Proprio questo particolare era stato il segnale di riconoscimento nella seconda telefonata, quando i familiari, in preda all'angoscia, avevano chiesto un segno di riconoscimento preciso per non cadere nelle mani di sciacalli: "Era scalzo, il bambino", gli rispose il telefonista della banda. Il rilascio, come detto, e' avvenuto in piazza della Repubblica dove il piccolo ostaggio ha atteso che il padre convocato dai sequestratori giungesse in taxi. Vedendo il genitore incredulo e agitatissimo il bambino ha pensato bene di rincuorarlo, parlando in perfetto spagnolo con qualche parola di italiano ma senza neppure una in papiamento, la lingua delle Antille olandesi: "L'ho dimenticato del tutto", si e' giustificato il piccolo. Quasi contemporaneamente al padre e' giunto anche il rappresentante delle forze di polizia italiane che ha avuto un ruolo determinante in questo sequestro: il capitano dei carabinieri Gennaro Scala. Per la verita' la liberazione, se non annunciata, era ormai prevedibile: il riscatto, 360 mila dollari, circa 650 milioni di lire (ma la richiesta iniziale era stata niente meno che di 2 milioni e mezzo di dollari) era stata pagata sabato sera sempre a Maracaibo proprio dall'ufficiale dei carabinieri. Il quale, spacciandosi per un parente dell'ostaggio, aveva cosi' voluto compiere l'ultima beffa alla scalcagnata, ma pericolosa banda dei sequestratori di cui sapeva quasi tutto, grazie ai pedinamenti e alle intercettazioni compiuti da un efficiente nucleo della polizia venezuelana, messo a disposizione del nostro ufficiale che ha usato la sua ventennale esperienza di investigatore per mettere nel sacco una banda che godeva dell'appoggio di un basista molto vicino alla famiglia Ferrara. Le indagini condotte in perfetto accordo tra Venezuela, Olanda e Italia, in effetti, grazie al coordinamento internazionale attribuito al nostro carabiniere dal magistrato di Aruba, sono state efficacissime: gli autori del sequestro sono stati identificati tutti dopo qualche settimana e la maggior parte, ben trentasette persone, ieri e' finita nelle poco ospitali carceri locali. E quelli che sono in liberta', pare cinque, hanno le ore contate. + stata recuperata perfino una parte del riscatto pagato. Intanto ieri l'ex ostaggio e i suoi familiari hanno cambiato area per ragioni di sicurezza. La madre di Gianni, Filomena, non era in se' dalla gioia: "E' finito l'incubo. Adesso sto bene, finalmente mio figlio e' stato liberato". ----------------------------------------------------------------- IL RETROSCENA Cosi' un capitano dei carabinieri ha dato la svolta all'indagine In una telefonata la chiave dell'inchiesta L'ufficiale e' addetto militare dell'ambasciata DAL NOSTRO INVIATO CARACAS - Il capitano Gennaro Scala, che ha seguito il sequestro del bambino fin dai primi giorni ed e' diventato il regista delle indagini in continuo collegamento con il capo della polizia italiana, ha assaggiato sulla sua pelle quanto sia amaro passare da indagatore a indagato, anzi incarcerato. Gennaro Scala, infatti, cinquanta anni, sposato, due figli universitari, pur avendo alle spalle una brillante carriera prima come collaboratore del generale Dalla Chiesa nella lotta al terrorismo, poi comandante dei nuclei operativi a Verona e a Palermo, proprio nella citta' siciliana ha conosciuto il momento peggiore della sua vita di uomo e di militare. Nell'ottobre 1985 fu coinvolto, quale comandante del nucleo operativo, nell'inchiesta sul caso di Salvatore Marino, il picciotto che mori' sotto interrogatorio in questura. Il capitano si fece quindici mesi di carcere, fu sospeso, gli fu bloccata la carriera (gliela stanno ricostruendo solo adesso) salvo vedersi assolto in tutti i gradi di giudizio ad essere pienamente riabilitato. Trasferito come addetto militare all'Ambasciata di Caracas si e' buttato anima e corpo nell'inchiesta per salvare il bambino e assicurare alla giustizia venezuelana i colpevoli. La svolta nell'inchiesta sul sequestro del bambino risale alle 21.30 di sabato 21 febbraio quando la capitale Oranjestad e il resto degli 80 mila abitanti di Aruba avevano in mente il Carnevale. Solamente la famiglia Ferrara aveva ben altro a cui pensare. Giovanni Ferrara infatti si era trasferito a uno dei suoi tre ristoranti, il Solemare, in compagnia del capitano Scala sperando di avere un contatto con i banditi. I rapitori infatti si erano fatti vivi solamente una volta, il giorno dopo il sequestro a casa di Michael, il fratello di Filomena, la moglie di Ferrara. La telefonata era sta intercettata in Venezuela, Scala ne era stato subito informato e aveva fatto disporre, d'accordo con le autorita' giudiziarie di Aruba i controlli dei telefoni. Da quella seconda chiamata al ristorante, le indagini divennero sempre piu' stringenti fino al colpo di scena di domenica sera. La felice conclusione del sequestro e' coincisa con la liberazione da parte della polizia di Silvio Di Lanzo, sequestrato sempre in Venezuela il 3 aprile insieme al fratello Roberto e alla moglie Isabel. Ma il piano dei banditi e' andato subito storto. Roberto e' riuscito a fuggire mentre la donna e' stata rilasciata qualche giorno dopo in una citta' a 150 chilometri dalla capitale. Grazie alle informazioni ottenute dalla famiglia - molto noto nel Paese - la polizia venezuelana ha stretto il cerchio attorno alla banda. E le indagini sono state coronate da successo. Gli agenti hanno liberato l'ostaggio ed hanno catturato in un primo momento dieci banditi e, successivamente altri sei sequestratori. Non sarebbe stato pagato alcun riscatto. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I PARENTI NEL NAPOLETANO La gioia di nonna Rosalia: "E' finita la grande paura" CASTELLAMMARE DI STABIA (Napoli) - Nonna Rosalia ha saputo dal telegiornale. "Ma non so ancora abbastanza. Hanno detto che mio nipote e' stato liberato e basta", dice mentre trascorre il pomeriggio a casa della figlia Maria in attesa di una telefonata da Aruba. Le due donne sono le uniche parenti strette della famiglia Ferrara rimaste a Castellammare, da dove il padre del bimbo liberato ieri parti' quasi trent'anni fa. La nonna di Gianni sta come starebbe qualsiasi altra nonna in una situazione cosi'. E' agitata: "Adesso e' cominciata un'altra attesa, l'attesa per poter parlare con il bambino, capire come sta. Io finche' non sento la sua voce non sto tranquilla, ma gia' so che dovro' aspettare domani, perche' ne' lui ne' mio figlio sono ancora tornati a casa. Comunque va bene anche cosi'. E' finito un incubo e abbiamo avuto tutti una paura tremenda. Sono felicissima". La telefonata dall'altra parte dell'oceano l'ha invece fatta immediatamente Antonio Bussi, l'amico dei Ferrara che si trovava ad Aruba quando Gianni fu rapito. "Io vado li' ogni anno, e il bambino l'ho visto crescere. Per ora sono riuscito a parlare soltanto con Filomena, sua madre. L'ho trovata serena, e ovviamente felicissima. Le ho detto che qui siamo tutti accanto a loro. Le ho detto che in questi due mesi tanta gente e' stata in ansia per il bambino".

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Not for nothin', Ya know it's really a sad state of affairs when two out of nine graduates in that class are entwined in international horrors.  Gianni was kidnapped and Val is the brother of someone who is world known for kidnapping and murder. Val might even have a direct connect himself.  What does this tell you about Aruba? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 02:17:11 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

it's called a mangina  ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 11, 2008, 02:17:48 PM
Here is an archived article I found about the kid graduating with Valentin- Gianni Ferrara, kidnapped at the age of 8 from his Italian parents in Aruba and taken to Venezuela. Throught the aid of the Italian government along with a ransom paid by his father he was returned to them and is now graduating. Not sure why I am so interested in this........now are there any translators?

Original text:   Translation: Italian » English
Per Gianni Ferrara, 8 anni, 650 milioni di riscatto. Altro blitz: torna a casa l' imprenditore Silvio Di Lanzo sequestrato in Venezuela Liberato il bambino rapito ad Aruba Le prime parole al padre: " Sto bene, sono anche ingrassato " . Presa la banda ----------------------------------------------------------------- Per Gianni Ferrara, 8 anni, 650 milioni di riscatto. Altro blitz: torna a casa l'imprenditore Silvio Di Lanzo sequestrato in Venezuela Liberato il bambino rapito ad Aruba Le prime parole al padre: "Sto bene, sono anche ingrassato". Presa la banda DAL NOSTRO INVIATO CARACAS - "Papa', stai calmo, sei troppo agitato. Sono io, Giovanni, sto benissimo. Non vedi? Sono perfino ingrassato...". Sono state queste le prime parole, pronunciate in spagnolo, che domenica sera (in Italia erano le 3.30 di lunedi' mattina) hanno sancito la fine di un incubo che durava da 73 gioni. + libero, sano e salvo, infatti, da ieri, il bambino di 8 anni, figlio di un napoletano, sequestrato nel Mar dei Caraibi. La famiglia non sta in se' dalla gioia, i rapitori sono stati tutti identificati, in maggioranza arrestati e in parte braccati, la Farnesina piu' che soddisfatta. + un successo tutto italiano il felice epilogo del rapimento, iniziato il 6 febbraio nell'isola di Aruba, del piccolo Gianni Giuliano Ferrara, quarto e ultimo figlio del ricco ristoratore di Castellammare di Stabia, Giovanni Ferrara, di 48 anni, e "festeggiato" dal contemporaneo blitz che ha portato alla liberazione dell'altro italiano rapito in Venezuela, l'impreditore Silvio Di Lanzo. Il rilascio del piccolo e' avvenuto nella terra ferma, in Venezuela, nella citta' di Maracaibo, un milione e mezzo di abitanti, capitale dello Stato di Zulia e del petrolio, la maggior ricchezza del Paese. Domenica sera, alle ore 21.30 locali, il bambino e' riapparso come dal nulla in buone condizioni fisiche e psicologiche sulle rive del grandissimo lago su cui sorge la seconda citta' del Venezuela, che dista poche decine di chilometri dall'isola in cui era stato prelevato. Indossava gli stessi pantaloncini e la stessa maglietta della sera del sequestro. In piu' aveva alcuni chili e un paio di scarpe nuove. Quelle che i rapitori si erano degnati di comprargli dato che lo avevano rapito scalzo. Proprio questo particolare era stato il segnale di riconoscimento nella seconda telefonata, quando i familiari, in preda all'angoscia, avevano chiesto un segno di riconoscimento preciso per non cadere nelle mani di sciacalli: "Era scalzo, il bambino", gli rispose il telefonista della banda. Il rilascio, come detto, e' avvenuto in piazza della Repubblica dove il piccolo ostaggio ha atteso che il padre convocato dai sequestratori giungesse in taxi. Vedendo il genitore incredulo e agitatissimo il bambino ha pensato bene di rincuorarlo, parlando in perfetto spagnolo con qualche parola di italiano ma senza neppure una in papiamento, la lingua delle Antille olandesi: "L'ho dimenticato del tutto", si e' giustificato il piccolo. Quasi contemporaneamente al padre e' giunto anche il rappresentante delle forze di polizia italiane che ha avuto un ruolo determinante in questo sequestro: il capitano dei carabinieri Gennaro Scala. Per la verita' la liberazione, se non annunciata, era ormai prevedibile: il riscatto, 360 mila dollari, circa 650 milioni di lire (ma la richiesta iniziale era stata niente meno che di 2 milioni e mezzo di dollari) era stata pagata sabato sera sempre a Maracaibo proprio dall'ufficiale dei carabinieri. Il quale, spacciandosi per un parente dell'ostaggio, aveva cosi' voluto compiere l'ultima beffa alla scalcagnata, ma pericolosa banda dei sequestratori di cui sapeva quasi tutto, grazie ai pedinamenti e alle intercettazioni compiuti da un efficiente nucleo della polizia venezuelana, messo a disposizione del nostro ufficiale che ha usato la sua ventennale esperienza di investigatore per mettere nel sacco una banda che godeva dell'appoggio di un basista molto vicino alla famiglia Ferrara. Le indagini condotte in perfetto accordo tra Venezuela, Olanda e Italia, in effetti, grazie al coordinamento internazionale attribuito al nostro carabiniere dal magistrato di Aruba, sono state efficacissime: gli autori del sequestro sono stati identificati tutti dopo qualche settimana e la maggior parte, ben trentasette persone, ieri e' finita nelle poco ospitali carceri locali. E quelli che sono in liberta', pare cinque, hanno le ore contate. + stata recuperata perfino una parte del riscatto pagato. Intanto ieri l'ex ostaggio e i suoi familiari hanno cambiato area per ragioni di sicurezza. La madre di Gianni, Filomena, non era in se' dalla gioia: "E' finito l'incubo. Adesso sto bene, finalmente mio figlio e' stato liberato". ----------------------------------------------------------------- IL RETROSCENA Cosi' un capitano dei carabinieri ha dato la svolta all'indagine In una telefonata la chiave dell'inchiesta L'ufficiale e' addetto militare dell'ambasciata DAL NOSTRO INVIATO CARACAS - Il capitano Gennaro Scala, che ha seguito il sequestro del bambino fin dai primi giorni ed e' diventato il regista delle indagini in continuo collegamento con il capo della polizia italiana, ha assaggiato sulla sua pelle quanto sia amaro passare da indagatore a indagato, anzi incarcerato. Gennaro Scala, infatti, cinquanta anni, sposato, due figli universitari, pur avendo alle spalle una brillante carriera prima come collaboratore del generale Dalla Chiesa nella lotta al terrorismo, poi comandante dei nuclei operativi a Verona e a Palermo, proprio nella citta' siciliana ha conosciuto il momento peggiore della sua vita di uomo e di militare. Nell'ottobre 1985 fu coinvolto, quale comandante del nucleo operativo, nell'inchiesta sul caso di Salvatore Marino, il picciotto che mori' sotto interrogatorio in questura. Il capitano si fece quindici mesi di carcere, fu sospeso, gli fu bloccata la carriera (gliela stanno ricostruendo solo adesso) salvo vedersi assolto in tutti i gradi di giudizio ad essere pienamente riabilitato. Trasferito come addetto militare all'Ambasciata di Caracas si e' buttato anima e corpo nell'inchiesta per salvare il bambino e assicurare alla giustizia venezuelana i colpevoli. La svolta nell'inchiesta sul sequestro del bambino risale alle 21.30 di sabato 21 febbraio quando la capitale Oranjestad e il resto degli 80 mila abitanti di Aruba avevano in mente il Carnevale. Solamente la famiglia Ferrara aveva ben altro a cui pensare. Giovanni Ferrara infatti si era trasferito a uno dei suoi tre ristoranti, il Solemare, in compagnia del capitano Scala sperando di avere un contatto con i banditi. I rapitori infatti si erano fatti vivi solamente una volta, il giorno dopo il sequestro a casa di Michael, il fratello di Filomena, la moglie di Ferrara. La telefonata era sta intercettata in Venezuela, Scala ne era stato subito informato e aveva fatto disporre, d'accordo con le autorita' giudiziarie di Aruba i controlli dei telefoni. Da quella seconda chiamata al ristorante, le indagini divennero sempre piu' stringenti fino al colpo di scena di domenica sera. La felice conclusione del sequestro e' coincisa con la liberazione da parte della polizia di Silvio Di Lanzo, sequestrato sempre in Venezuela il 3 aprile insieme al fratello Roberto e alla moglie Isabel. Ma il piano dei banditi e' andato subito storto. Roberto e' riuscito a fuggire mentre la donna e' stata rilasciata qualche giorno dopo in una citta' a 150 chilometri dalla capitale. Grazie alle informazioni ottenute dalla famiglia - molto noto nel Paese - la polizia venezuelana ha stretto il cerchio attorno alla banda. E le indagini sono state coronate da successo. Gli agenti hanno liberato l'ostaggio ed hanno catturato in un primo momento dieci banditi e, successivamente altri sei sequestratori. Non sarebbe stato pagato alcun riscatto. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I PARENTI NEL NAPOLETANO La gioia di nonna Rosalia: "E' finita la grande paura" CASTELLAMMARE DI STABIA (Napoli) - Nonna Rosalia ha saputo dal telegiornale. "Ma non so ancora abbastanza. Hanno detto che mio nipote e' stato liberato e basta", dice mentre trascorre il pomeriggio a casa della figlia Maria in attesa di una telefonata da Aruba. Le due donne sono le uniche parenti strette della famiglia Ferrara rimaste a Castellammare, da dove il padre del bimbo liberato ieri parti' quasi trent'anni fa. La nonna di Gianni sta come starebbe qualsiasi altra nonna in una situazione cosi'. E' agitata: "Adesso e' cominciata un'altra attesa, l'attesa per poter parlare con il bambino, capire come sta. Io finche' non sento la sua voce non sto tranquilla, ma gia' so che dovro' aspettare domani, perche' ne' lui ne' mio figlio sono ancora tornati a casa. Comunque va bene anche cosi'. E' finito un incubo e abbiamo avuto tutti una paura tremenda. Sono felicissima". La telefonata dall'altra parte dell'oceano l'ha invece fatta immediatamente Antonio Bussi, l'amico dei Ferrara che si trovava ad Aruba quando Gianni fu rapito. "Io vado li' ogni anno, e il bambino l'ho visto crescere. Per ora sono riuscito a parlare soltanto con Filomena, sua madre. L'ho trovata serena, e ovviamente felicissima. Le ho detto che qui siamo tutti accanto a loro. Le ho detto che in questi due mesi tanta gente e' stata in ansia per il bambino". http://tinyurl.com/64vsmp       
For Gianni Ferrara, 8 years, 650 million ransom. Other blitz: back home, 'entrepreneur Silvio Di Lanzo seized in Venezuela
Liberato the child abducted in Aruba
The first words to his father: "I'm fine, are also fattened." Presa la banda

-------------------------------------------------- --------------- For Gianni Ferrara, 8 years, 650 million ransom. Other blitz: back at home entrepreneur Silvio Di Lanzo kidnapped in Venezuela released the child abducted in Aruba The first words to his father: "I'm fine, are also fattened." Presa la banda SENT BY OUR CARACAS - "Pope ', you're calm, you're too rough.'s Me, John, I'm fine. Do not you see? Even have fattened ...". These were the first words spoken in Spanish, that Sunday evening (in Italy were 3.30 of Monday 'morning) have sanctioned the end of a nightmare that lasted from 73 regions. + Free, safe and sound, in fact, since yesterday, the child of 8 years, son of a Neapolitan, seized in the Caribbean. The family is not itself 'the joy, the kidnappers have all been identified, mostly arrested and partly hunted, the foreign ministry more' that satisfied. + A success all Italian happy epilogue of kidnapping, which began on February 6 on the island of Aruba, the little Gianni Giuliano Ferrara, the fourth and last child of the rich restaurateur of Castellammare di Stabia, Giovanni Ferrara, 48 years, and "celebrated" by contemporary blitz that led to the release of Italian kidnapped in Venezuela, impreditore Silvio Di Lanzo. The issue of small and 'happened in the mainland, Venezuela, in the city' of Maracaibo, one million and a half inhabitants, capital of the State of Zulia and oil, the majority wealth of the country. Sunday evening at 21.30 hours local children and 'reappeared as from scratch in good physical and psychological conditions on the banks of the great lake on which stands the second city' of Venezuela, which is a few tens of kilometres from where it was fetched. Indossava the same shorts and T-shirt the same evening of the abduction. Plus' had some chili and a pair of new shoes. Those that the kidnappers had degnati of comprargli since it had kidnapped the heel. That particular was a sign of recognition in the second phone call, when the family, prey all'angoscia, had asked for a clear sign of recognition for not falling into the hands of sciacalli: "It was bare, the child," said the telefonista of banda. The issue, as I said, 'happened in Piazza della Repubblica where the little hostage has since his father summoned by the abductors reached by taxi. Seeing the unbelieving parent and the child agitatissimo thought good of rincuorarlo, speaking in perfect Spanish with a few words of Italian, but without even one in papiamento, the language of the Netherlands Antilles: "I totally forgot," and 'justified small. Almost simultaneously with the father and 'now also the representative of Italian police which had a decisive role in this kidnapping: the captain of the policemen Gennaro Scala. For the truth 'liberation, if not announced, had become predictable: the ransom, 360 thousand U.S. dollars, about 650 million lire (but the initial request had been nothing less than 2 million and half dollars) was paid Saturday evening Maracaibo always precisely by a carabinieri. The which, spacciandosi for a relative dell'ostaggio, had so 'wanted to make the final insult to scalcagnata, but dangerous banda of kidnappers referred knew almost everything, thanks to pedinamenti and interceptions made by an efficient core of the Venezuelan police, put at the disposal of our official has used his twenty years of experience investigator to put in a lot banda that enjoyed the support of a basista very close to the family Ferrara. Investigations conducted in perfect agreement between Venezuela, Holland and Italy, in fact, thanks to international coordination attributed to our carabiniere magistrate from Aruba, were efficacissime: the authors of the kidnapping were all identified after a few weeks and most well - thirty-seven people, yesterday and 'finished in just hospitable local prisons. And those who are in freedom ', it seems five, have the hours counted. + Been recovered even a part of the ransom paid. Meanwhile, yesterday the former hostage and his family have changed area for security reasons. Gianni's mother, Philomena, was not itself 'the joy: "It' finished the nightmare. Now I am well, and finally my son 'was released." -------------------------------------------------- --------------- THE RETROSCENA Cosi 'a captain of the policemen gave the turning point in the investigation In a telephone call the key of The Journal and' military officer dell'ambasciata FROM OUR SENT CARACAS - The captain Gennaro Scala, which followed the seizure of children from the earliest days and 'become the director of investigations in continuous liaison with the head of Italian police, he tasted on his skin how bitter move from indagatore to suspect , Even imprisoned. Gennaro Scala, in fact, fifty years, married, two children university, although behind a brilliant career first as a collaborator of General Dalla Chiesa in the fight against terrorism, then commander of nuclei operational in Verona and Palermo, in the City 'has known Sicilian the worst moment of his life as a man and military. In 1985 he was involved, as master of the core operational, in the case of Salvatore Marino, who died picciotto 'under interrogation in the police. The captain became fifteen months in prison, was suspended, he was locked career (him are only now rebuilding) except being acquitted in all degrees of judgement to be fully rehabilitated. Moved as military attaché to the Embassy in Caracas has' thrown in the body and soul to save the child and bring to justice the culprits in Venezuela. The turnaround in the seizure of the child goes back to 21.30 for Saturday, February 21 when the capital Oranjestad and the rest of the 80 thousand inhabitants of Aruba had in mind the Carnival. Only the family Ferrara had much more to think. John Ferrara in fact had moved to one of its three restaurants, Solemare in the company of Captain Scala hoping to have a contact with the bandits. The kidnappers were in fact made only live once, the day after their abduction at home by Michael, the brother of Filomena, the wife of Ferrara. The phone call was intercepted in Venezuela is, Scala had been immediately informed and had to have, in agreement with the authorities' judicial Aruba controls telephones. From that second call to the restaurant, the investigation became more and more 'stringent until coup scene Sunday evening. The successful conclusion of kidnapping and 'coincided with the release by police Silvio Di Lanzo, ever seized in Venezuela on April 3 together with his brother Roberto and his wife Isabel. But the plan of bandits and 'immediately went wrong. Roberto and 'managed to flee while the woman and' been released after a few days in a City 'to 150 km from the capital. Thanks to information obtained by the family - well-known in the country - Venezuelan police has close the circle around the banda. And the investigations were crowned with success. Officials have released the hostage and captured a first time in ten bandits and then another six kidnappers. It would not be paid any ransom. -------------------------------------------------- --------------- The RELATIVES IN NAPOLETANO The joy of Grandma Rosalia: " 'over the great fear" CASTELLAMMARE OF STABIA (Naples) - Grandma Rosalia has the newscast. "But I do not know enough yet. They said that my nephew and 'was released and enough", says while he spent the afternoon at home of her daughter Mary awaiting a phone call from Aruba. The two women are the only close relatives of the family remained in Castellammare Ferrara, where the father of the baby released yesterday shares' nearly three decades ago. The grandmother of Gianni stands as would any other grandmother in a situation so '. E 'agitated: "Now it' started another waiting, waiting to talk with the child, understand as is. Until I 'not hear his voice I'm not quiet, but already' I know that I will have to 'wait for tomorrow because 'they' he will 'my son yet returned home. However go so well'. 'finished a nightmare and we all had a tremendous fear. I am extremely happy. The phone call the other side of it instead made immediately Antonio Bussi, the friend of Ferrara who was in Aruba when Gianni was abducted. "I'm going them 'every year, and the child I saw him grow. Right now they are able to speak only with Filomena, his mother. I found serene, and obviously delighted. I said that we are all here alongside them . I said that in these two months and many people 'was anxiety for the child. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 11, 2008, 02:18:39 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 02:21:10 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

I HEARD THAT!!

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 02:22:12 PM
He would celebrate with other anonymous tourists on the island of Koh Samet, where he photographed a tourist. "I am the king of the ocean," he cried, according to the eyewitness, while he left the island by speedboat.
======================
yeh he's really under treatment  ::MonkeyRoll:: Who was he with? Who's boat took him off the island? Who is paying for all of this? It is certainly not cheap to be partying on some of those resort islands,I know Phuket in southern Thailand is not cheap at all. Apparently he knows somewhere there that has a private speedboat,or payed the cash to rent one. That place is like 170 kilometers from Bangkok and it does not appear at all like he is a typical tourist.

http://travel.to/samet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 02:22:24 PM
talk about a body tooootally outta whack

head - hat size 39

right foot - size 10.5

left foot - size 14

penis - 3 inches

right testicle - soft balls size and 1.5 pounds

left testicle - marble size and molecular weight 1 atom

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 11, 2008, 02:22:42 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


bwaaahahaha!   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 02:24:22 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4206217/_Joran_feest_gewoon_door__.html?p=15,1

binnenland
Joran feest gewoon door
Joran van der Sloot zet de bloemetjes weer flink buiten. Het weekblad Privé onthult foto's waarop Joran met 'nieuwe Amerikaanse vrienden' feestviert in Thailand. Hij poseert, drinkend uit een emmer drank en zelfs poedeltjenaakt op het strand.
 
 

Hij zou anoniem feestvieren met andere toeristen op het eilandje Koh Samet, waar een toerist hem fotografeerde. "I am the king of the ocean", schreeuwde hij volgens de ooggetuige, terwijl hij per speedboot het eiland verliet.

Joran zou zich onder behandeling hebben laten stellen bij een psychiatrische instelling om therapie te krijgen voor 'mensen die zijn vastgelopen in het gewone leven' en kampen met 'gedrags- en psychiatrische problemen'.

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx had hem eerder geld geleend om 'tien jaar cel in Thailand te voorkomen' omdat Joran betrapt zou zijn met softdrugs. Uiteindelijk verdween 6000 euro van zijn rekening, beweerde de gedupeerde.
 
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108.jpg)



Through translator:

Joran party simply by
Joran van der Sloot put the flowers back lot outside. The weekly magazine Private unveils photographs showing Joran with "new American friends' feestviert in Thailand. He poses, drinking from a bucket and even poedeltjenaakt drink on the beach.
   
 

He would celebrate with other anonymous tourists on the island of Koh Samet, where he photographed a tourist. "I am the king of the ocean," he cried, according to the eyewitness, while he left the island by speedboat.

Joran should have been under treatment in a psychiatric institution set to receive therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life "and suffering from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems."

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx he had previously borrowed money to 'ten years in prison in Thailand to prevent' because Joran would be caught with soft drugs. Eventually 6000 euros disappeared from his account, said the injured.

Private eye:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 04:38:30 PM »


Hey everyone. I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother, and if he has a child, the mother of his child, would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? Wouldn't you risk his anger to at least try and provide his child with the chance to have a relationship with with his Dad, which will only be positive if Joran tells the truth and pays his debt? And considering Joran has confessed pretty damn formally twice, is it not obvious that Joran is asking for help?

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses.  He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 02:30:26 PM
just wondering here, but was Joran conceived near a nuclear power plant?

those man breasts are not attractive at all...

this is all the proof you need that some people should NOOOOTTT be having sex - in this case we known it was an accident - cause it's been admitted and that dump truck load of a mudder said she fell while ice skating and pregnant.

I think she neglected to mention she was also eating paint chips.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 02:30:38 PM
Bleachedblack,

Someone posted that within the past day or so....not sure if here, or S&S thread...

Thank-you, yes I posted about it. I was wondering about this particular article translation. I knew the few details in the crime thread, i was looking for more. Infact the first article I had read and saved was from a Venezuelan newspaper no longer available.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
What would Gielen say?  Did the media force his clothes off, under threat?  Was the photographer taking advantage??  Was the speedboat just to get away from the accusatory crowd...he didn't say he's king of the ocean...they misinterpreted him...he is afraid of the water and gets seasick....even his mother...who knows all about kids, knows this to be true.  The "family" is stalking him...as well as the FBI.... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
just wondering here, but was Joran conceived near a nuclear power plant?

those man breasts are not attractive at all...

this is all the proof you need that some people should NOOOOTTT be having sex - in this case we known it was an accident - cause it's been admitted and that dump truck load of a mudder said she fell while ice skating and pregnant.

I think she neglected to mention she was also eating paint chips.




I should not be laughing...I should not be laughing....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
okkk

it's not ok for Natalee to go on a vacation to an all inclusive and drink alcohol cause she's ONLY 18

it's all Beth's fault cause she put Natalee on the plane - and some of Dave's fault cause he didn't pull her off the plane as it was taxing down the runway

but

it's ok for Joran to drink, gamble, lie, steal, rape, assault, etc. all the while being 17

and it's ok for Joran to steal 6000 euros from a stupid old man..

I guess Martin Bakx deserves this - if he can't handle his money and keep his eyes on it - Joran will assume that responsibility.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 02:37:37 PM
Joran's parents must be so thrilled with him. He has found himself a nice little vacation spot in Thailand. Maybe they accept him, along with many deviants and pedophiles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 11, 2008, 02:40:13 PM
just wondering here, but was Joran conceived near a nuclear power plant?

those man breasts are not attractive at all...

this is all the proof you need that some people should NOOOOTTT be having sex - in this case we known it was an accident - cause it's been admitted and that dump truck load of a mudder said she fell while ice skating and pregnant.

I think she neglected to mention she was also eating paint chips.



Say what they will....but that guy is no "Sporter".  Not with that soft body.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2008, 02:43:22 PM
looks like a penis......................................................................... only much smaller. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 02:44:09 PM
Where's that barf emoticon when you need it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108b.jpg)

My question is, if this is really Joran his hair is longer.  The photo of him in Thailand at SamSam was taken on 5/2/08 and his hair appeared to be very short.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 02:50:16 PM
Don't poke fun.....I hear they do a lot of gender reassignment surgery in Thailand and maybe Joran is transitioning?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 11, 2008, 02:53:27 PM
Where's that barf emoticon when you need it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108b.jpg)

My question is, if this is really Joran his hair is longer.  The photo of him in Thailand at SamSam was taken on 5/2/08 and his hair appeared to be very short.

 :shock:  I didn't even know they had Krispy Kreme Doughnuts in Holland.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 02:53:51 PM
 :smt078

...thought Joran got seasick on boats...isn't that what Sander's PV says???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 02:54:59 PM
ya know Klaas they say that everyone has a twin somewhere on the planet - but in this case I doubt Joran has a proverbial twin.

how many times to you think a midget bigfoot and a chewbacca have actually mated?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: distortion on June 11, 2008, 02:56:20 PM
de lady with him looks like juliia renfro   yes?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 11, 2008, 02:56:38 PM
Don't poke fun.....I hear they do a lot of gender reassignment surgery in Thailand and maybe Joran is transitioning?  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hey Thailand......be on the look-out for a really tall fluffy chick with a lazy eye!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 11, 2008, 02:58:37 PM
de lady with him looks like juliia renfro   yes?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2008, 03:08:48 PM
de lady with him looks like juliia renfro   yes?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


You cannot use the word "lady" in the same sentence as Julia Renfro.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: distortion on June 11, 2008, 03:15:29 PM
de lady with him looks like juliia renfro   yes?

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


You cannot use the word "lady" in the same sentence as Julia Renfro.

but if i used ho i mite get in trouble for slander


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Drink the local speciality, a SangSom bucket, which is a toxic mix of Thai whiskey, red bull and coke, served in a kids sandbucket with lots of straws

http://wikitravel.org/en/Ko_Samet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 03:17:56 PM
Nope, way too young to be Renfo  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108c.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: distortion on June 11, 2008, 03:25:09 PM
Drink the local speciality, a SangSom bucket, which is a toxic mix of Thai whiskey, red bull and coke, served in a kids sandbucket with lots of straws

http://wikitravel.org/en/Ko_Samet

dat aint no kids drink


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2008, 03:25:11 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4206217/_Joran_feest_gewoon_door__.html?p=15,1

binnenland
Joran feest gewoon door
Joran van der Sloot zet de bloemetjes weer flink buiten. Het weekblad Privé onthult foto's waarop Joran met 'nieuwe Amerikaanse vrienden' feestviert in Thailand. Hij poseert, drinkend uit een emmer drank en zelfs poedeltjenaakt op het strand.
 
 

Hij zou anoniem feestvieren met andere toeristen op het eilandje Koh Samet, waar een toerist hem fotografeerde. "I am the king of the ocean", schreeuwde hij volgens de ooggetuige, terwijl hij per speedboot het eiland verliet.

Joran zou zich onder behandeling hebben laten stellen bij een psychiatrische instelling om therapie te krijgen voor 'mensen die zijn vastgelopen in het gewone leven' en kampen met 'gedrags- en psychiatrische problemen'.

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx had hem eerder geld geleend om 'tien jaar cel in Thailand te voorkomen' omdat Joran betrapt zou zijn met softdrugs. Uiteindelijk verdween 6000 euro van zijn rekening, beweerde de gedupeerde.
 
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108.jpg)



Through translator:

Joran party simply by
Joran van der Sloot put the flowers back lot outside. The weekly magazine Private unveils photographs showing Joran with "new American friends' feestviert in Thailand. He poses, drinking from a bucket and even poedeltjenaakt drink on the beach.
   
 

He would celebrate with other anonymous tourists on the island of Koh Samet, where he photographed a tourist. "I am the king of the ocean," he cried, according to the eyewitness, while he left the island by speedboat.

Joran should have been under treatment in a psychiatric institution set to receive therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life "and suffering from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems."

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx he had previously borrowed money to 'ten years in prison in Thailand to prevent' because Joran would be caught with soft drugs. Eventually 6000 euros disappeared from his account, said the injured.

Private eye:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 04:38:30 PM »


Hey everyone. I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother, and if he has a child, the mother of his child, would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? Wouldn't you risk his anger to at least try and provide his child with the chance to have a relationship with with his Dad, which will only be positive if Joran tells the truth and pays his debt? And considering Joran has confessed pretty damn formally twice, is it not obvious that Joran is asking for help?

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses.  He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586



Oh my gosh!  This is TOO MUCH!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

Is he wearing any clothing in the top photo?  Or is it my imagination....looks like a custom hair trim job!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 03:34:26 PM
sorry but i don't believe this is Joran 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
sorry but i don't believe this is Joran 

It may not be but it's pretty funny anyway  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 11, 2008, 03:37:03 PM
not very smart move for Joran that those pictures are in the paper now.

if i read the comments under the article the blind rage and hatred towards Joran is skyrocketing to new levels.
and i must say my hatred for this guy increased too. i thought it was already at the maximum.

in the Telegraaf article it says that he is partying with his "new American friends".
i can't wait for the article that he is badly beaten up by a thai, dutch or american mob.

including with photos if possible.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 03:40:04 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 11, 2008, 03:40:42 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4206217/_Joran_feest_gewoon_door__.html?p=15,1

binnenland
Joran feest gewoon door
Joran van der Sloot zet de bloemetjes weer flink buiten. Het weekblad Privé onthult foto's waarop Joran met 'nieuwe Amerikaanse vrienden' feestviert in Thailand. Hij poseert, drinkend uit een emmer drank en zelfs poedeltjenaakt op het strand.
 
 

Hij zou anoniem feestvieren met andere toeristen op het eilandje Koh Samet, waar een toerist hem fotografeerde. "I am the king of the ocean", schreeuwde hij volgens de ooggetuige, terwijl hij per speedboot het eiland verliet.

Joran zou zich onder behandeling hebben laten stellen bij een psychiatrische instelling om therapie te krijgen voor 'mensen die zijn vastgelopen in het gewone leven' en kampen met 'gedrags- en psychiatrische problemen'.

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx had hem eerder geld geleend om 'tien jaar cel in Thailand te voorkomen' omdat Joran betrapt zou zijn met softdrugs. Uiteindelijk verdween 6000 euro van zijn rekening, beweerde de gedupeerde.
 
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108.jpg)



Through translator:

Joran party simply by
Joran van der Sloot put the flowers back lot outside. The weekly magazine Private unveils photographs showing Joran with "new American friends' feestviert in Thailand. He poses, drinking from a bucket and even poedeltjenaakt drink on the beach.
   
 

He would celebrate with other anonymous tourists on the island of Koh Samet, where he photographed a tourist. "I am the king of the ocean," he cried, according to the eyewitness, while he left the island by speedboat.

Joran should have been under treatment in a psychiatric institution set to receive therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life "and suffering from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems."

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx he had previously borrowed money to 'ten years in prison in Thailand to prevent' because Joran would be caught with soft drugs. Eventually 6000 euros disappeared from his account, said the injured.
Just look at the predator pervert standing there holding his little wee wee....dang,what a sluten he is!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 03:41:14 PM
Where's that barf emoticon when you need it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108b.jpg)

My question is, if this is really Joran his hair is longer.  The photo of him in Thailand at SamSam was taken on 5/2/08 and his hair appeared to be very short.

 :shock:  I didn't even know they had Krispy Kreme Doughnuts in Holland.



Hey ... we have a Krispy Kreme Donut coffee shop in Delta, British Columbia.  At one time ... this franchise was giving the nearby local Tim Horton's some real competition.  I have not heard anything lately.

My youngest son's American inlaws live just a short distance across the border ... so every now and then he brings us back a box.  Only one way to discribe those donuts ... DECADENT!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 11, 2008, 03:41:59 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::
roflmao!!!!
ITA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: distortion on June 11, 2008, 03:43:40 PM
sorry but i don't believe this is Joran 

looks like its got all de right details ifin anyone wanted to do a comparison     king a de ocean eh?  lets throw his hairy butt in and see if he floats


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2008, 03:44:02 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

I think it looks like him, too.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 03:46:16 PM
not very smart move for Joran that those pictures are in the paper now.

if i read the comments under the article the blind rage and hatred towards Joran is skyrocketing to new levels.
and i must say my hatred for this guy increased too. i thought it was already at the maximum.

in the Telegraaf article it says that he is partying with his "new American friends".
i can't wait for the article that he is badly beaten up by a thai, dutch or american mob.

including with photos if possible.

The guy definitely has a problem. He seems not content to stay in Holland, but instead seeks out a vacation spot (even if it means stealing to get the money to afford to stay there?) where he can mingle with, and take advantage of(?) tourists girls. Is he going to slip anything in this girls drink? Is this the last night of her vacation? Ahhh vacation......is she relaxed, enjoying herself, what happens in Thailand stays in Thailand? Joran's days are numbered......he is going to be his own undoing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 11, 2008, 03:48:54 PM
sorry but i don't believe this is Joran 

i think it is him.
but the photos don't show that it is in Thailand or the date when it is taken.

i know you think he is at Den Dolder.
i also spoke to someone: she said he was there.

but he could have stayed there for a limited time and with just some consults afterwards.

but for sure he is not walking around the country freely.
else he would be spotted immediately, photos would appear everywhere and he would maybe be beaten up or lynched by a mob.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 03:49:20 PM
Body shape looks the same IMO:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranCompareNaked.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
sorry but i don't believe this is Joran 

i think it is him.
but the photos don't show that it is in Thailand or the date when it is taken.

i know you think he is at Den Dolder.
i also spoke to someone: she said he was there.

but he could have stayed there for a limited time and with just some consults afterwards.

but for sure he is not walking around the country freely.
else he would be spotted immediately, photos would appear everywhere and he would maybe be beaten up or lynched by a mob.

I also think he is in den Dolder Caesu
i think i am going to visit den Dolder tomorrow  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: distortion on June 11, 2008, 03:58:15 PM
i aint lookin at that thang    you ladies can do the comparin


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 04:00:11 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 04:08:38 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

I agree it's him - no doubt in my mind


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
Older picture Paul vd Sloot

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PAULVDSLOOT.jpg?t=1213215590)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 04:34:32 PM
Older picture Paul vd Sloot

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/PAULVDSLOOT.jpg?t=1213215590)

johan ... when I was looking at the image of Joran ... the one with the girl (LOL) ... I was stuck with how much his facial features reflected his father.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 04:43:02 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

Has that eye thing still going on.....the nude one seems to show he's put on some tonnage...maybe the booze.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 04:43:41 PM
I think the vd Sloot  trolls are still busy  with sending mis info
Gielen ,Julia and their 20 paid posters  ::MonkeyHaHa::
But t hey are not smart enough  ::MonkeyNoNo::
The "martin" story was fake
Pic in Thailand was fake
Passport trick was fake
And this story in the Prive is Fake .
Thailand is the most dangerous country in the world for someone who use drugs like Joran .
So do you really think Joran is there ?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 04:48:32 PM
How can we make certain that Paulass, Anita and Joe Taco receive these pictures?  Maybe Jossy would like them for Diario?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2008, 04:51:52 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

Your right I had it on 600% and it was still small.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 04:54:59 PM
This is the Presidential Award.  Many US kids receive it each year.  I don't know why such a big deal was made in the Aruban newspapers.  My question remains.... How did a non US citizen, living in a foreign country, while attending a private school become the recipient of this Presidential award?  Aruba kills US seniors with impunity, the US awards Aruban seniors.  Go figure!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 11, 2008, 05:01:57 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

A chunky...blottoed photo of him...Yeppers...that's him alright...he's gettin' soft and flabby...that's how excess drinking makes you look...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 05:03:31 PM
they like to stay in hotels etc  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/abctvkopie.jpg?t=1213218095)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 11, 2008, 05:06:09 PM
Hiya Monkeys

If that pic is truly the goon child, we can forget castration. Can't cut off what isn't there.

OT: Rob the birds you posted pics of are downy woodpeckers


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 11, 2008, 05:06:22 PM
How can we make certain that Paulass, Anita and Joe Taco receive these pictures?  Maybe Jossy would like them for Diario?

Already Done...heh heh heh...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
Hiya Monkeys

If that pic is truly the goon child, we can forget castration. Can't cut off what isn't there.

OT: Rob the birds you posted pics of are downy woodpeckers

thanks Yapperz1

I wasn't at all sure what they were.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I have another woodpecker here, and he's a biggie...I would say he's about the size of a small duck and I have been waiting to get a pic of him. He sounds like a jack hammer ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 05:20:10 PM
How can we make certain that Paulass, Anita and Joe Taco receive these pictures?  Maybe Jossy would like them for Diario?

Already Done...heh heh heh...



Great work!!!   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 11, 2008, 05:23:36 PM
I would love to know who the girl in the picture is so that I can write her mother a letter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 05:25:06 PM
Pauw & Witteman paid the Fam vd Sloot 5000 € about  6000 $

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Betaaldkopie.jpg?t=1213219364)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 11, 2008, 05:28:18 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 05:39:42 PM
visitors in 2005  ARUBA

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/2005kopie.jpg?t=1213220235)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 05:53:28 PM
(http://www.prive.nl/cover/2006/cover_24_2008.jpg)

http://www.prive.nl/index.xml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2008, 05:58:24 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

He looks ripped.  The girl doesn't (YET). ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 06:08:51 PM
I don't usually quote Hannie at RU, but this is funny:



Re: Joran Thailand pics.....
Need2Know wrote:


Joran is missing much more than just his shoes Laughing Was it cold? Laughing

Hannie  PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:54 pm

I must admit, the first thing I thought about was a man and his shoe size, maybe it was after all a size 10.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 11, 2008, 06:12:02 PM
I don't usually quote Hannie at RU, but this is funny:



Re: Joran Thailand pics.....
Need2Know wrote:


Joran is missing much more than just his shoes Laughing Was it cold? Laughing

Hannie  PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:54 pm

I must admit, the first thing I thought about was a man and his shoe size, maybe it was after all a size 10.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 11, 2008, 06:15:52 PM
Just proves he really is a little prick  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::

(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif)(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 06:37:42 PM
I don't usually quote Hannie at RU, but this is funny:



Re: Joran Thailand pics.....
Need2Know wrote:


Joran is missing much more than just his shoes Laughing Was it cold? Laughing

Hannie  PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:54 pm

I must admit, the first thing I thought about was a man and his shoe size, maybe it was after all a size 10.



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 06:40:22 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

He looks ripped.  The girl doesn't (YET). ::MonkeyNoNo::



He does look thoroughly soused, doesn't he? That's the dude, but it really doesn't matter whether it's him or not because the magazine has already tagged him. Is there no end to the damage this prick can do to himself?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

He looks ripped.  The girl doesn't (YET). ::MonkeyNoNo::


That girl is gonna get grilled by momma and daddy when she gets home. That's kinda like Miley Cyrus drinking and posing with Charles Manson.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 06:44:52 PM
Pauw & Witteman paid the Fam vd Sloot 5000 € about  6000 $



That will take care of his gambling and drug habit for about a week or two, Johan.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2008, 06:45:33 PM
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

He looks ripped.  The girl doesn't (YET). ::MonkeyNoNo::


That girl is gonna get grilled by momma and daddy when she gets home. That's kinda like Miley Cyrus drinking and posing with Charles Manson.

What I want to know is who is financing his trips?  Ma and Pa surely cannot afford all this unless ATA is paying to keep him away from Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 06:49:02 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

I agree it's him - no doubt in my mind


He's getting his old man's spare tire awfully early, Rob. Doesn't say much for Paulus' manhood either, LOL!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 06:53:36 PM

That girl is gonna get grilled by momma and daddy when she gets home. That's kinda like Miley Cyrus drinking and posing with Charles Manson.

What I want to know is who is financing his trips?  Ma and Pa surely cannot afford all this unless ATA is paying to keep him away from Aruba.


The only way he doesn't make them all look bad for the rest of his life is if they throw him in prison. Anywhere else he's always going to find a way to make the Aruban government, Dutch judges, ALE, his slovenly parents, his few media supporters and anybody else who has anything to do with him look like shit.

Where does the money come from? You'd think that after all the money he's cost Aruba it would have dried up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2008, 06:56:21 PM

That girl is gonna get grilled by momma and daddy when she gets home. That's kinda like Miley Cyrus drinking and posing with Charles Manson.

What I want to know is who is financing his trips?  Ma and Pa surely cannot afford all this unless ATA is paying to keep him away from Aruba.


The only way he doesn't make them all look bad for the rest of his life is if they throw him in prison. Anywhere else he's always going to find a way to make the Aruban government, Dutch judges, ALE, his slovenly parents, his few media supporters and anybody else who has anything to do with him look like shit.

Where does the money come from? You'd think that after all the money he's cost Aruba it would have dried up.

Joran is the gift that keeps on giving! AHATA has to be "thrilled" with the great publicity for Aruba.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 11, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1900/charlescroeskioskatairpej5.jpg)
Charles Croes business - kiosk at airport

Digicel is the telecommunications server is all.
You rent the phone from Charles Croes, but you use Digicel to make the call.

He is in partnership with De Palm Tours


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
This is new for me

It is a part  official letter to Karin Janssen
It is in dutch
In this letter the lawyer said that Paul vd Sloot  told   Claudio Eldridge
that he ( Paul)  picked up Joran at 04.00 nearby Mc Donalds .

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/MAcdonnkopie.jpg?t=1213225051)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 11, 2008, 07:02:28 PM
Body shape looks the same IMO:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranCompareNaked.jpg)

I can't believe you're comparing him nekkied.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 11, 2008, 07:02:31 PM

That girl is gonna get grilled by momma and daddy when she gets home. That's kinda like Miley Cyrus drinking and posing with Charles Manson.

What I want to know is who is financing his trips?  Ma and Pa surely cannot afford all this unless ATA is paying to keep him away from Aruba.


The only way he doesn't make them all look bad for the rest of his life is if they throw him in prison. Anywhere else he's always going to find a way to make the Aruban government, Dutch judges, ALE, his slovenly parents, his few media supporters and anybody else who has anything to do with him look like shit.

Where does the money come from? You'd think that after all the money he's cost Aruba it would have dried up.

Joran is the gift that keeps on giving! AHATA has to be "thrilled" with the great publicity for Aruba.  ::MonkeyDance::

blowhard croes was threatening to ban him and send him back to holland, but he didn't mention that jvds spent his entire life on the happy island and is a product of what he's learned there.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:03:24 PM
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1900/charlescroeskioskatairpej5.jpg)
Charles Croes business - kiosk at airport

Digicel is the telecommunications server is all.
You rent the phone from Charles Croes, but you use Digicel to make the call.

He is in partnership with De Palm Tours

Kermmie,
what kind of a freak asks the mother of a missing and likely murdered girl - how's your sex life?

I say he gets the Caligula decapitation machine too.

it's an island of deviates and they don't even recognize it - that's the sad part of this whole thing. I'm not trying to put my beliefs on anyone, but good golly, at some point you have to look at what the island has become, and it's not far from being labeled the Caribbean's Sodom and Gomorrah. Actually they may have passed that point some time ago.

that comment by Croes has to be the most heartless of all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:08:23 PM
This is new for me

It is a part  official letter to Karin Janssen
It is in dutch
In this letter the lawyer said that Paul vd Sloot  told   Claudio Eldridge
that he ( Paul)  picked up Joran at 04.00 nearby Mc Donalds .


right Johan and it's seems that some are claiming he has changed his story and is a source for the Geilen crockumentary.

some are saying he has a huge criminal file ... and if that's true - let's see it... and let's hear from him himself and let him make a new declaration and put that on the record and let's see if he is arrested for lying as a witness in the first instance.

he's probably get more time that Joran for simply disposing of a corpse -or so they say anyway.

I feel like ripping apart a bunch of corrupt Dutch judges, but that will just bring Rammstein outta hiding.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:09:47 PM

The only way he doesn't make them all look bad for the rest of his life is if they throw him in prison. Anywhere else he's always going to find a way to make the Aruban government, Dutch judges, ALE, his slovenly parents, his few media supporters and anybody else who has anything to do with him look like shit.

Where does the money come from? You'd think that after all the money he's cost Aruba it would have dried up.


Joran is the gift that keeps on giving! AHATA has to be "thrilled" with the great publicity for Aruba.  ::MonkeyDance::


Aruba's favorite murderer and rapist has gone global. You got it Wreck, he makes them look worse and worse every day he lives and breathes. It's only a matter of time before he gets drunk and high and spills the beans on all the dumbasses who tried to save his ass.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:13:21 PM

blowhard croes was threatening to ban him and send him back to holland, but he didn't mention that jvds spent his entire life on the happy island and is a product of what he's learned there.
dennisintn


Am surprised Holland hasn't made Aruba take him back.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 11, 2008, 07:14:31 PM

The only way he doesn't make them all look bad for the rest of his life is if they throw him in prison. Anywhere else he's always going to find a way to make the Aruban government, Dutch judges, ALE, his slovenly parents, his few media supporters and anybody else who has anything to do with him look like shit.

Where does the money come from? You'd think that after all the money he's cost Aruba it would have dried up.


Joran is the gift that keeps on giving! AHATA has to be "thrilled" with the great publicity for Aruba.  ::MonkeyDance::


Aruba's favorite murderer and rapist has gone global. You got it Wreck, he makes them look worse and worse every day he lives and breathes. It's only a matter of time before he gets drunk and high and spills the beans on all the dumbasses who tried to save his ass.

I agree Hiker. Bet there are a few a-holes on the rock that are drawn up tighter than Dick's hatband.
Besides in goon child's case:
Instant a-hole just add alcohol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:15:54 PM
one more comment about Claudio...I read the papers to the best of my ability and if I saw his name published over the last three years I would have posted the article, I'm sure everyone else would have also..

I have never seen his name (initials) in any paper listed as having committed a crime, or even his picture associated with committing a crime. I think I would have remembered that...and so would have others.. also, if he did commit multiple crimes, that would have increased the odds that one of us would have seen him in any one of the many papers on the island.

if he truly did commit crimes, is this a pay off for reduced charges in the no plea bargain system known as the Dutch legal system?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 07:17:52 PM
This is new for me

It is a part  official letter to Karin Janssen
It is in dutch
In this letter the lawyer said that Paul vd Sloot  told   Claudio Eldridge
that he ( Paul)  picked up Joran at 04.00 nearby Mc Donalds .


right Johan and it's seems that some are claiming he has changed his story and is a source for the Geilen crockumentary.

some are saying he has a huge criminal file ... and if that's true - let's see it... and let's hear from him himself and let him make a new declaration and put that on the record and let's see if he is arrested for lying as a witness in the first instance.

he's probably get more time that Joran for simply disposing of a corpse -or so they say anyway.

I feel like ripping apart a bunch of corrupt Dutch judges, but that will just bring Rammstein outta hiding.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 Johan and it's seems that some are claiming he has changed his story and is a source for the Geilen crockumentary.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and they pay him to change his story ???
In the same  letter the lawyer asked Janssen if it is possible  to hear  Claudio !

And she asked also if Janssen knows that Depaks Dad owns a "KOEI" on Aruba
But what is a KOEI ?

In Holland  a koe  =  a cow   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:20:25 PM

The only way he doesn't make them all look bad for the rest of his life is if they throw him in prison. Anywhere else he's always going to find a way to make the Aruban government, Dutch judges, ALE, his slovenly parents, his few media supporters and anybody else who has anything to do with him look like shit.

Where does the money come from? You'd think that after all the money he's cost Aruba it would have dried up.


Joran is the gift that keeps on giving! AHATA has to be "thrilled" with the great publicity for Aruba.  ::MonkeyDance::


Aruba's favorite murderer and rapist has gone global. You got it Wreck, he makes them look worse and worse every day he lives and breathes. It's only a matter of time before he gets drunk and high and spills the beans on all the dumbasses who tried to save his ass.

is it wrong to hope he gets involved with black tar? :smt110


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 07:20:36 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4206217/_Joran_feest_gewoon_door__.html?p=15,1

binnenland
Joran feest gewoon door
Joran van der Sloot zet de bloemetjes weer flink buiten. Het weekblad Privé onthult foto's waarop Joran met 'nieuwe Amerikaanse vrienden' feestviert in Thailand. Hij poseert, drinkend uit een emmer drank en zelfs poedeltjenaakt op het strand.
 
 

Hij zou anoniem feestvieren met andere toeristen op het eilandje Koh Samet, waar een toerist hem fotografeerde. "I am the king of the ocean", schreeuwde hij volgens de ooggetuige, terwijl hij per speedboot het eiland verliet.

Joran zou zich onder behandeling hebben laten stellen bij een psychiatrische instelling om therapie te krijgen voor 'mensen die zijn vastgelopen in het gewone leven' en kampen met 'gedrags- en psychiatrische problemen'.

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx had hem eerder geld geleend om 'tien jaar cel in Thailand te voorkomen' omdat Joran betrapt zou zijn met softdrugs. Uiteindelijk verdween 6000 euro van zijn rekening, beweerde de gedupeerde.
 
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyShocked::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108.jpg)



Through translator:

Joran party simply by
Joran van der Sloot put the flowers back lot outside. The weekly magazine Private unveils photographs showing Joran with "new American friends' feestviert in Thailand. He poses, drinking from a bucket and even poedeltjenaakt drink on the beach.
   
 

He would celebrate with other anonymous tourists on the island of Koh Samet, where he photographed a tourist. "I am the king of the ocean," he cried, according to the eyewitness, while he left the island by speedboat.

Joran should have been under treatment in a psychiatric institution set to receive therapy for people who are stuck in everyday life "and suffering from 'behavioural and psychiatric problems."

'Internetvriend' Martin Bakx he had previously borrowed money to 'ten years in prison in Thailand to prevent' because Joran would be caught with soft drugs. Eventually 6000 euros disappeared from his account, said the injured.



They are doing that to piss us off. There is a sect of Dutchies over

there that cannot stand Americans. They play with themselves daily

thinking about ways to make Joran look even more like the FU AMERICA!

poster child.


We are all reasonable, and know that this whole thing has only ever been

about Natalee and the injustices committed against her.

However, some of them apparently do not give a chit... and are having

the time of their lives toying with us.

For their sake, I hope it works for them!!! I hope someone toe tags the little SOB.


That would probably be best for everyone in all countries involved!   ::MonkeyWink::

While they are on a roll... give some "love" to Paulus and the Kalpoes too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 11, 2008, 07:21:08 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

I agree it's him - no doubt in my mind


He's getting his old man's spare tire awfully early, Rob. Doesn't say much for Paulus' manhood either, LOL!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe that is the reason he needs to prove something and seems, despite what outwardly is perceived as a playboy appearance he despises women. It all stems from his
ehhh hemmm miniature stature and ridicule he has received in the past.  :smt040


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:25:14 PM
And she asked also if Janssen knows that Depaks Dad owns a "KOEI" on Aruba
But what is a KOEI ?

In Holland  a koe  =  a cow   ::MonkeyHaHa::


not absolutely sure, but I think "KOEI" is some sort of small boat. Maybe up to three of four people can use it...five max.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 07:27:12 PM
one more comment about Claudio...I read the papers to the best of my ability and if I saw his name published over the last three years I would have posted the article, I'm sure everyone else would have also..

I have never seen his name (initials) in any paper listed as having committed a crime, or even his picture associated with committing a crime. I think I would have remembered that...and so would have others.. also, if he did commit multiple crimes, that would have increased the odds that one of us would have seen him in any one of the many papers on the island.

if he truly did commit crimes, is this a pay off for reduced charges in the no plea bargain system known as the Dutch legal system?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If he truly did commit crimes, is this a pay off for reduced charges in the no plea bargain system known as the Dutch legal system?

If that is true Rob that bitch K Janssen is also involved  

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/AnimationKarin.gif?t=1213226752)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:28:19 PM
They are doing that to piss us off. There is a sect of Dutchies over

there that cannot stand Americans. They play with themselves daily

thinking about ways to make Joran look even more like the FU AMERICA!

poster child.


We are all reasonable, and know that this whole thing has only ever been

about Natalee and the injustices committed against her.

However, some of them apparently do not give a chit... and are having

the time of their lives toying with us.

For their sake, I hope it works for them!!! I hope someone toe tags the little SOB.


That would probably be best for everyone in all countries involved!   ::MonkeyWink::

While they are on a roll... give some "love" to Paulus and the Kalpoes too.

Great post

 :smt063


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 07:28:54 PM
Can you remove that bitch  ?  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:31:43 PM
Johan, here is a Papiamento dictionary. Not all words are listed, but there are many.

http://www.wordgumbo.com/pc/pap/erpapeng.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 07:34:47 PM

 Johan and it's seems that some are claiming he has changed his story and is a source for the Geilen crockumentary.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and they pay him to change his story ???
In the same  letter the lawyer asked Janssen if it is possible  to hear  Claudio !

And she asked also if Janssen knows that Depaks Dad owns a "KOEI" on Aruba
But what is a KOEI ?


In Holland  a koe  =  a cow   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Asking if he owns a Cow makes no sense..It must mean something else..Like a boat or  something  ::MonkeyConfused::

Also Claudio is just one of the many witnesses who heard him say he picked Joran up at 4AM.  It's funny because previoulsy he said he was directing his conversation to the officers and not the others who heard 4AM standing behind them. But after he lost his case trying to get more money then what was already awarded,he called the cops idiots. So they must have testified against him. It just never seems to end with there arrogance and sooner or later it's gonna bring them all down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:36:07 PM

They are doing that to piss us off. There is a sect of Dutchies over

there that cannot stand Americans. They play with themselves daily

thinking about ways to make Joran look even more like the FU AMERICA!

poster child.


We are all reasonable, and know that this whole thing has only ever been

about Natalee and the injustices committed against her.

However, some of them apparently do not give a chit... and are having

the time of their lives toying with us.

For their sake, I hope it works for them!!! I hope someone toe tags the little SOB.


That would probably be best for everyone in all countries involved!   ::MonkeyWink::

While they are on a roll... give some "love" to Paulus and the Kalpoes too.


Look at it this way Carpe, they're digging Aruba a deeper grave. They probably don't care about them either but every time this happens Goosedick Joran just makes them look even worse. If they're trying to piss me off it backfired. I delight in seeing Joran bring the island down.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 11, 2008, 07:37:13 PM
This is new for me

It is a part  official letter to Karin Janssen
It is in dutch
In this letter the lawyer said that Paul vd Sloot  told   Claudio Eldridge
that he ( Paul)  picked up Joran at 04.00 nearby Mc Donalds .

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/MAcdonnkopie.jpg?t=1213225051)





thanks, johan, i haven't seen that either.  is there any mention of natalee in there?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:38:40 PM

Aruba's favorite murderer and rapist has gone global. You got it Wreck, he makes them look worse and worse every day he lives and breathes. It's only a matter of time before he gets drunk and high and spills the beans on all the dumbasses who tried to save his ass.

I agree Hiker. Bet there are a few a-holes on the rock that are drawn up tighter than Dick's hatband.
Besides in goon child's case:
Instant a-hole just add alcohol


They backed the wrong horse didn't they Yapperz? They're going to cleaning up after him the rest of their lives. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:41:10 PM

They are doing that to piss us off. There is a sect of Dutchies over

there that cannot stand Americans. They play with themselves daily

thinking about ways to make Joran look even more like the FU AMERICA!

poster child.


We are all reasonable, and know that this whole thing has only ever been

about Natalee and the injustices committed against her.

However, some of them apparently do not give a chit... and are having

the time of their lives toying with us.

For their sake, I hope it works for them!!! I hope someone toe tags the little SOB.


That would probably be best for everyone in all countries involved!   ::MonkeyWink::

While they are on a roll... give some "love" to Paulus and the Kalpoes too.


Look at it this way Carpe, they're digging Aruba a deeper grave. They probably don't care about them either but every time this happens Goosedick Joran just makes them look even worse. If they're trying to piss me off it backfired. I delight in seeing Joran bring the island down.

I'm personally enjoying the the thought of the Rudy Croes' Gold Coast development flushing down the toilet to the tune of 65 million big ones  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is a great payback!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:42:46 PM

He's getting his old man's spare tire awfully early, Rob. Doesn't say much for Paulus' manhood either, LOL!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe that is the reason he needs to prove something and seems, despite what outwardly is perceived as a playboy appearance he despises women. It all stems from his
ehhh hemmm miniature stature and ridicule he has received in the past.  :smt040


BB, Guido must have been the man in the relationship, sure wasn't Joran.
  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 07:43:37 PM
Last weekend i was on Texel ( biggest cat race in the world ) and i  heard
that they  have only 3 entries for the Aruba Heineken Regatta till now  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/CATkopie.jpg?t=1213227315)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 11, 2008, 07:46:50 PM

blowhard croes was threatening to ban him and send him back to holland, but he didn't mention that jvds spent his entire life on the happy island and is a product of what he's learned there.
dennisintn


Am surprised Holland hasn't made Aruba take him back.   ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

well, they've all ready sent him back in handcuffs twice now, wonder when he'll get the message he isn't wanted there?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:47:55 PM
I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:50:27 PM

I'm personally enjoying the the thought of the Rudy Croes' Gold Coast development flushing down the toilet to the tune of 65 million big ones  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

That is a great payback!!


Wait til those high air fares kick in here in a few weeks. ::MonkeyWink:: Ain't going to be just Rudy singing the blues.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:51:18 PM
I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 07:52:54 PM
IIRC from when Vinda's letter first came out,

koei was a cage.

I never heard Claudio changed his statements.  I thought the goof was the other one...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 07:55:55 PM
IIRC from when Vinda's letter first came out,

koei was a cage.

I never heard Claudio changed his statements.  I thought the goof was the other one...


The only one I heard change it was Alberto 2 1/2 years later after Gielen greased his palm, or something else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:57:07 PM
I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!

Thank you Bruddah for your interest!!

This idea came to me a long time ago.

I live near the airport here - it was an international airport but we lost the British Airways connection and the US Airways International end to a certain degree also.

As I drive on the highway I see many billboards on the way to the airport.. most are for rental cars and hotels..

if we raised a bunch of money and placed about 10 billboards around the country on the way to the biggest airports that are still servicing Aruba we could make a huge impact... so many people would see those billboards and Natalee.

We have them by the balls - this would knock them out!!

DOWN GOES ARUBA - DOWN GOES ARUBA!!! - to quote Howard Cosell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 07:57:23 PM
This is new for me

It is a part  official letter to Karin Janssen
It is in dutch
In this letter the lawyer said that Paul vd Sloot  told   Claudio Eldridge
that he ( Paul)  picked up Joran at 04.00 nearby Mc Donalds .

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/MAcdonnkopie.jpg?t=1213225051)


In the the presents of all the witnesses ( police, DEA, Charles Croes, handlers, Jug and Beth Twitty & Twitty friends) who were congregated at the VDS residence in the early morning hours of May 31, 2005 ... Paulus van der Sloot stated that he was at MacDonald at 4:00 AM on the morning that Natalee went missing.  However ... he later denied that he said this.

Beth and Jug have been claiming this from the getgo that Paulus made this claim and ... the internet trolls have been undermining the Mother and Stepfather of Natalee Holloway in regards to this claim from the getgo.

However ... the Superior Court that reversed Paulus' award for wrongful detention affirms Jug and Beth's words in the judgement against Paulus ... rendering a decision that implied that the detention of Paulus van der Sloot warranted.

Janet

++++++++++

Superior Court
January, 2007

 
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
March 26, 2006


TWITTY: ...... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/12/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 07:57:35 PM
dennis tnin
It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret    ::MonkeyHaHa::
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Sousakopie.jpg?t=1213228232)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
IIRC from when Vinda's letter first came out,

koei was a cage.

I never heard Claudio changed his statements.  I thought the goof was the other one...

Buckeye, I think you're right, it is cage. Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 07:58:05 PM

They are doing that to piss us off. There is a sect of Dutchies over

there that cannot stand Americans. They play with themselves daily

thinking about ways to make Joran look even more like the FU AMERICA!

poster child.


We are all reasonable, and know that this whole thing has only ever been

about Natalee and the injustices committed against her.

However, some of them apparently do not give a chit... and are having

the time of their lives toying with us.

For their sake, I hope it works for them!!! I hope someone toe tags the little SOB.


That would probably be best for everyone in all countries involved!   ::MonkeyWink::

While they are on a roll... give some "love" to Paulus and the Kalpoes too.


Look at it this way Carpe, they're digging Aruba a deeper grave. They probably don't care about them either but every time this happens Goosedick Joran just makes them look even worse. If they're trying to piss me off it backfired. I delight in seeing Joran bring the island down.



Abs-root-ly! -Scooby Doo


I couldn't agree more.



...and I have just added to my joke file... the term "GOOSEDICK."    ::MonkeyHaHa::

giving Dayhiker all the proper credits, ofcourse!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 08:07:35 PM
WHY, OFCOURSE.


> All eyes!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 08:08:29 PM
OOPS!

That last post was in reference to Rob and his BIG IMPACT ideas. Sorry!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
dennis tnin
It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret    ::MonkeyHaHa::
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Sousakopie.jpg?t=1213228232)


Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

Janet

++++++++

arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

Page 2

They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 08:13:03 PM
I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!

Thank you Bruddah for your interest!!

This idea came to me a long time ago.

I live near the airport here - it was an international airport but we lost the British Airways connection and the US Airways International end to a certain degree also.

As I drive on the highway I see many billboards on the way to the airport.. most are for rental cars and hotels..

if we raised a bunch of money and placed about 10 billboards around the country on the way to the biggest airports that are still servicing Aruba we could make a huge impact... so many people would see those billboards and Natalee.

We have them by the balls - this would knock them out!!

DOWN GOES ARUBA - DOWN GOES ARUBA!!! - to quote Howard Cosell.


Great idea from the heart, Rob. ...but when I run it through my small brain

I worry about people defacing them (billboards), and screwing around with them....


Kind of like when they aceholes planted the "shoes"...

Ya know? Aruba, is a country full of heartless douchbags. ::MonkeyTongue::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 08:13:58 PM
I wish I would of been in that court room the day PVDS was bitchslapped by Nico Jorg  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1378/nicojorgir0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Jörg: political affairs transfer

Caribbean editors

28-05-2007


Nico Jörg, acting Attorney General of Aruba.

picture: Jos de Roo
The Attorney-General (PG) of another country would actually the knot should settle the matter or the Public Ministry in politically sensitive cases are prosecuted. That takes Nico Jörg, the acting Attorney-General of Aruba.

If there is now an investigation into alleged wrongdoing by an Aruban Minister, the Attorney General of Aruba decide whether the politician may or may not be prosecuted. What he decides, people always think that his choice is politically motivated: "It is believed that double standards is measured, that politicians are above the law or that there should be settled with old politicians." This will help prevent as the decision on whether or not prosecution of a politician on Aruba, would be taken by the PG example of Curacao.

Jörg familiar examples from the practice, which was suggested that the Public Ministry continued commissioned by the government. "The fact that the Minister of Justice has the power to recommend to the Public Ministry can reproach in the creation." The PG's file are doing well, he says: "We have our own professionalism. But it is also about the feelings among the people that justice in a fair and objective manner." In short, the justice of the people will be affected if doubts arise.

File send
The solution, according to the PG Jörg power to give to someone else to be appointed by the decision. This can be done in the case Aruban lawyer or a PG-General in Curacao or a Chief Justice in the Netherlands. "In any case someone with a lot of experience." Whether the decision except the research itself in politically sensitive cases should be outsourced, let Jörg in the middle: "That depends on it. It is also possible that the Landsrecherche sending the dossier to Willemstad or Den Haag."

The Acting PG expected that the population in this way the confidence in the law reserves. The Minister of Justice in his vision would also lose the power to issue orders to the Attorney-General, the political impact disappears. Jörg find his ideas no sign of weakness: "The United States has such a system with" special prosecutors "completely established. It strengthens the feeling that issues not covered up and figuring out by someone who has no interest in any decision whatsoever. "

A procedure such as Jörg advocates may soon be introduced, he thinks, because the PG is already authorized in another part of the Kingdom to act. "I would think that this is a small extension of those powers. In any case you can ask him, and promise that you'll follow his decision."

http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/aruba/car20070528_jorg_PG


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 08:16:36 PM
I think Claudio's name is Stamper or something like that.  Alberto is the one that has been  reinventing the first week.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 08:19:04 PM
dennis tnin
It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret    ::MonkeyHaHa::
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Sousakopie.jpg?t=1213228232)


Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

Janet

++++++++

arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

Page 2

They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070

I think it is a kind of translation  ::MonkeyHaHa::
Aruba girl works for
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/arubagirl-2kopie.jpg?t=1213229793)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 08:19:09 PM
I think Claudio's name is Stamper or something like that.  Alberto is the one that has been  reinventing the first week.

Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge..Yes Alberto is the one they are saying has a criminal record.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 11, 2008, 08:20:27 PM
dennis tnin
It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret    ::MonkeyHaHa::
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Sousakopie.jpg?t=1213228232)


Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

Janet

++++++++

arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

Page 2

They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070


I do not think Beth said that Eric Williams was a friend of the family...I have never ever heard that...she does not say that in her book.  She did not say that when I asked her about him at one of her book signings...never heard that.

If the police just woke you from a sound sleep...and your son lived in a separate area which requires you to walk to his room...how would he know immediately that Joran was not there without checking first? 

That entire document makes me go hmmmm for a lot of reasons.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 11, 2008, 08:30:07 PM

mom, thank you very much.  lots of food for thought presented there.  i wonder if the "cage" referred to would be a fish cage like the one missing or did they have something else in mind like a "prisoner" cage.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2008, 08:33:36 PM
The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!"  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 08:35:37 PM
Oh my GOD  

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo  
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Stratenkopie.jpg?t=1213230564)





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 11, 2008, 08:37:29 PM
I think pic looks very much like him, IMO It's him!

I agree it's him - no doubt in my mind


He's getting his old man's spare tire awfully early, Rob. Doesn't say much for Paulus' manhood either, LOL!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Maybe that is the reason he needs to prove something and seems, despite what outwardly is perceived as a playboy appearance he despises women. It all stems from his
ehhh hemmm miniature stature and ridicule he has received in the past.  :smt040
So in other words.....he has a itsy bitsy teenie weenie. :smt044


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 08:42:35 PM
dennis tnin
It is a letter to Karin Janssen from Bm de Sousa a lawyer
Top secret    ::MonkeyHaHa::
BM de Sousa worked for Beth at that moment and asked Janssen a lot of Questions
i will try to translate the questions tomorrow

<snipped>



Johan ... is the following the translation of the letter you have posted?

Janet

++++++++

arubagirl Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm

Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen

Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"


PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]

Your Honor,


In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.

As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.

The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.

Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.

Page 2

They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.

The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.

Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.

{I have to say that if C Croes had introduced himself as a clairvoyant, I think Jug et al would have told him to get lost.}

Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.

Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .

mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.

The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.

What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)

1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times

2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated

3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated

4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?

5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee

6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?

7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]

Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?

9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?

10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?

11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?

12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/

The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1196.msg177070;topicseen#msg177070


I do not think Beth said that Eric Williams was a friend of the family...I have never ever heard that...she does not say that in her book.  She did not say that when I asked her about him at one of her book signings...never heard that.

If the police just woke you from a sound sleep...and your son lived in a separate area which requires you to walk to his room...how would he know immediately that Joran was not there without checking first? 

That entire document makes me go hmmmm for a lot of reasons.

Also ... the names of the handlers are incorrect.

Janet

+++++++++++

1. Eldrith Henriquez
2. Claudio Stamper
3. Alberto Groeneveldt



Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401


Name: Eldrith Coromoto Lucia Henriquez  
Date: 19 June 2005 / 15:45
46
Writer/Initiator. Giovanni Heyliger/ Josmar Koolman
Description: witness statement by an Airport worker and also accompanied the
Holloways/Twittys to the Van der Sloot home

Name: Claudio Romeo Adonis Stamper  
Date: 19 June 2005 / 14:45
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Julaika Rosel
Description: witness statement by a Universal Aviation worker

Name: Alberto Ramon Groeneveldt
Date: 19 June 2005 / 13:45
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Josmar Koolman & Giovanni Chelavier
Description: witness statement


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 08:44:42 PM
guys, I need a favor, please help if you can

Thank you to those that got an email from me.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

TO: dateline@nbcuni.com

Dear Dateline:

Thank you, in advance, for review of this email.
 
Could you please consider reporting the case of a missing young woman, Jessica Edith Louise Foster?
Her parents have been searching for her desperately. They truly believe she is in some type of underground kidnapping human trafficking ring.
She would NEVER not make contact with her parents, sisters, or friends. We are pleading with the media to please bring her case to primetime.
She has been featured on the Montel Show (not counting reruns) in May 2007 with a second show coming up in July 2008, Geraldo At Large (April) and Maury Povich (October) back in 2006 when she first went "missing"...however, the family needs primetime coverage.

Please view her website for more information on her missing case: www.jessiefoster.ca - thank you.
You may contact her mother directly at: (Jessie's Mom) Glendene Grant at phone: (250) 374-6137.


Please, please consider a placement for her on your broadcasts.



Respectfully,

(sign your name, address, phone in order for them to verify)
****************************************************************


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 08:46:27 PM
Great idea from the heart, Rob. ...but when I run it through my small brain

I worry about people defacing them (billboards), and screwing around with them....


Kind of like when they aceholes planted the "shoes"...

Ya know? Aruba, is a country full of heartless douchbags. ::MonkeyTongue::



thanks bro!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 11, 2008, 08:53:23 PM
janet

Beth also use the name Claudio Eldridge

Beth Twitty Birmingham Meeting - Oct. 28/06 24.
Was Deepak's car seen inside the VDS compound?
Beth: Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/preferential-treatment-paulus-van-der_5989.html
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
Destiny - the person that has the phone number is looking for it...seems this person keeps files  ::MonkeyHaHa:: we didn't forget you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

we'll get it yet!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 08:58:49 PM
The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!"  ::MonkeyRoll::

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 08:59:57 PM
janet

Beth also use the name Claudio Eldridge

Beth Twitty Birmingham Meeting - Oct. 28/06 24.
Was Deepak's car seen inside the VDS compound?
Beth: Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/04/preferential-treatment-paulus-van-der_5989.html
 

I cannot figure it out.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 11, 2008, 09:00:51 PM
Quote
Aruba seeks Netherlands' help in retaining highly-educated
 
De Volkskrant reports that bailiffs on the Caribbean island of Aruba confiscate the property of between 20 and 25 Arubans weekly because they cannot pay their student loans. 

Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The exchange rate for the Aruban florin, which is pegged to the declining dollar, has risen from 1.60 to EUR 1 in 2001 to 2.75 florins today, making it impossible to repay student loans on an average salary.

De Volkskrant writes that the Aruban People's Party has sent an urgent message to Dutch Education Minister Ronald Plasterk asking that he think of a solution before another 300 Arubans leave in August to study at Dutch universities.

Since it is impossible to repay the loans on an Aruban salary, "graduates are more or less forced to find a job in the Netherlands". This means that Aruba will lose more highly-educated people.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/RNW-Press-Review_-Wednesday-11-June-2008.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:01:16 PM
The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!"  ::MonkeyRoll::

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always


Rob,

American or Aruban billboards? American would be great, but expensive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 09:03:09 PM
Oh my GOD  

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo  
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )


I'm sorry to be robo posting, but I have been saying forever that Sambo is corrupt... he's also involved to the nth degree in Max's case.

and Zaandam says specifically that the members of the corps that have / had his qualifications were not qualified.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:03:53 PM
Rob,

Got the email.... will do it. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2008, 09:05:55 PM
The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!"  ::MonkeyRoll::

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always
Hey, I think it is a great idea to get their attention!!! At least here at DFW, the airport signs are only seen by people that are already going to the airport since it so isolated. Any heavy traffic area would work though!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 09:06:03 PM
Could it be that Beth was had the names written down incorrectly in her journal and ... that is the reason her attorney got the names wrong in the letter to Karin Janssen and ... why she got the names wrong in her address at the Birmingham meeting.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++++++



1. Eldrith Henriquez
2. Claudio Stamper
3. Alberto Groeneveldt



Kalpoe v. McGraw, et al.
Case Number: BC3 63401


Name: Eldrith Coromoto Lucia Henriquez  
Date: 19 June 2005 / 15:45
46
Writer/Initiator. Giovanni Heyliger/ Josmar Koolman
Description: witness statement by an Airport worker and also accompanied the
Holloways/Twittys to the Van der Sloot home

Name: Claudio Romeo Adonis Stamper  
Date: 19 June 2005 / 14:45
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator. Julaika Rosel
Description: witness statement by a Universal Aviation worker

Name: Alberto Ramon Groeneveldt
Date: 19 June 2005 / 13:45
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Josmar Koolman & Giovanni Chelavier
Description: witness statement



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2008, 09:07:14 PM
*******

Translation posted at RU by Arubagirl today:

Article about remarks from Advocate General made about the case

Just in case anybody's interested.

Advocate General Mr. Jorg Questioned Attacks of Mr. Van Der Sloot Against Public Ministery [Department of Justice]
In front of plenty of lawyers in the courtroom

Oranjestad - Something unusual happened Tuesday morning during the swearing-in ceremony of the three Scribes to the Court who are Maikel Oduber, Navio Valdez and Edwin de Weever and the three lawyers mr. Foy, mr. Vis and mr. Bryson.

What happened is that Advocate General mr. Jorg, in front of all the lawyers present, among them mr. Van Der Sloot as well, decided to question the statement of Mr. Van Der Sloot that was published in Amigoe. The reaction of Mr. Jorg was a surprise to all thouse present and especially to mr. Van Der Sloot himself.

Bon Dia Aruba was present when mr. Jorg was to give a speech related to the lawyers that had been sworn in. At a certain moment the speech changed to the subject about the relationship between advocacy and the Department of Justice.

Mr. Jorg expressed himself in a very diplomatic way, but to everybody present it was very clear that he was referring to mr. Van Der Sloot. He questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot went to look for publicity by giving a statement to Amigoe and make certain statements that mr. Jorg never experienced. He refers here to the fact that lawyers and prosecutors publicly refer to each other as idiots. Mr. Jorg said that he hopes that this not become a habit. He said that he thinks we won't come very far by insulting each other. He made a call to change these actions to a better way to relate to each other.

Mr. Jorg also questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot attacked the Department of Justice for being out of balance, without management, untrustworthy and without any kind of ethics. Mr. Jorg remarked that these are large words but they demand arguments to show this as well. He finds that the argument cannot only consist of comparing the importance of finding the missing young lady against "all sorts of idiocy" from the other side. Mr. Jorg said that he can't unattach finding the young lady from the search for those people who are responsible for her disappearance. Especially when certain people are contradicting themselves and others about their role around the crucial moments during the disappearance.

Mr. Jorg continued to say that what he finds very strange is that on one hand the magistrates of the Department of Justice get questioned but on the other hand the Police get accused of not "have followed through" with the interrogation of a suspect. Mr. Jorg referred to the fact that in the Code of Criminal Procedings, a suspect has the right to remain silent. If this
is violated, then the case can even appear in front of the European Human Rights court. He thinks this observation [referring to the police] is absurd.

He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=953.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:07:22 PM
Billboard Design:


A GIANT PIC OF OUR GIRL WITH A HUGE ARUBA OVER HER.

STAMP IT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE (at an angle, in huge red letters)

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE STILL UNSOLVED!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 09:12:49 PM
Rob,

American or Aruban billboards? American would be great, but expensive.
Carpe, I have no idea what it would cost... I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap and could be several thousand dollars per billboard.

it's just an idea.. that's all

I was thinking American


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 11, 2008, 09:13:15 PM
Quote
Aruba seeks Netherlands' help in retaining highly-educated
 
De Volkskrant reports that bailiffs on the Caribbean island of Aruba confiscate the property of between 20 and 25 Arubans weekly because they cannot pay their student loans. 

Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The exchange rate for the Aruban florin, which is pegged to the declining dollar, has risen from 1.60 to EUR 1 in 2001 to 2.75 florins today, making it impossible to repay student loans on an average salary.

De Volkskrant writes that the Aruban People's Party has sent an urgent message to Dutch Education Minister Ronald Plasterk asking that he think of a solution before another 300 Arubans leave in August to study at Dutch universities.

Since it is impossible to repay the loans on an Aruban salary, "graduates are more or less forced to find a job in the Netherlands". This means that Aruba will lose more highly-educated people.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/RNW-Press-Review_-Wednesday-11-June-2008.html

isn't aruba always bragging about having the highest per capita income in the caribbean?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 09:15:09 PM
mea culpa -

yes Buckeye is right and kicking my ass everyday this week so far.. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is Groenveldt - not Eldridge.

But it still makes the point that I would have seen his name in the papers and I have not.

anyone?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
Thank you Buckeye! Something unusual happened is right and it was a rare day to see that scumbag scolded and accused in front of his colleagues. I enjoyed reading that again  ::MonkeyCool::

mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

He has asked for a lot more then that and by god he will get whats coming to him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 09:17:59 PM
OOPS!

That last post was in reference to Rob and his BIG IMPACT ideas. Sorry!

It's all good carpe.... i second the motion on "GOOSEDICK"  lol

Hats off to that one!  Appearing in wickapedia soon i'm sure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:18:43 PM
Rob,

American or Aruban billboards? American would be great, but expensive.
Carpe, I have no idea what it would cost... I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap and could be several thousand dollars per billboard.

it's just an idea.. that's all

I was thinking American


Nat is worth every penny!

Elmo have a bake sale, if necessary.


Elmo make a mean brownie!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 09:19:25 PM
Rob,

Got the email.... will do it. ::MonkeyWink::

no email, but this is terrific news.. remember I have comcrap

awesome!!! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::

and I don't use this emoticon evah!!! let alone 4 times!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
OOPS!

That last post was in reference to Rob and his BIG IMPACT ideas. Sorry!

It's all good carpe.... i second the motion on "GOOSEDICK"  lol

Hats off to that one!  Appearing in wickapedia soon i'm sure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 09:20:56 PM
*******

Translation posted at RU by Arubagirl today:

Article about remarks from Advocate General made about the case

Just in case anybody's interested.

Advocate General Mr. Jorg Questioned Attacks of Mr. Van Der Sloot Against Public Ministery [Department of Justice]
In front of plenty of lawyers in the courtroom

Oranjestad - Something unusual happened Tuesday morning during the swearing-in ceremony of the three Scribes to the Court who are Maikel Oduber, Navio Valdez and Edwin de Weever and the three lawyers mr. Foy, mr. Vis and mr. Bryson.

What happened is that Advocate General mr. Jorg, in front of all the lawyers present, among them mr. Van Der Sloot as well, decided to question the statement of Mr. Van Der Sloot that was published in Amigoe. The reaction of Mr. Jorg was a surprise to all thouse present and especially to mr. Van Der Sloot himself.

Bon Dia Aruba was present when mr. Jorg was to give a speech related to the lawyers that had been sworn in. At a certain moment the speech changed to the subject about the relationship between advocacy and the Department of Justice.

Mr. Jorg expressed himself in a very diplomatic way, but to everybody present it was very clear that he was referring to mr. Van Der Sloot. He questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot went to look for publicity by giving a statement to Amigoe and make certain statements that mr. Jorg never experienced. He refers here to the fact that lawyers and prosecutors publicly refer to each other as idiots. Mr. Jorg said that he hopes that this not become a habit. He said that he thinks we won't come very far by insulting each other. He made a call to change these actions to a better way to relate to each other.

Mr. Jorg also questioned the fact that Mr. Van Der Sloot attacked the Department of Justice for being out of balance, without management, untrustworthy and without any kind of ethics. Mr. Jorg remarked that these are large words but they demand arguments to show this as well. He finds that the argument cannot only consist of comparing the importance of finding the missing young lady against "all sorts of idiocy" from the other side. Mr. Jorg said that he can't unattach finding the young lady from the search for those people who are responsible for her disappearance. Especially when certain people are contradicting themselves and others about their role around the crucial moments during the disappearance.

Mr. Jorg continued to say that what he finds very strange is that on one hand the magistrates of the Department of Justice get questioned but on the other hand the Police get accused of not "have followed through" with the interrogation of a suspect. Mr. Jorg referred to the fact that in the Code of Criminal Procedings, a suspect has the right to remain silent. If this
is violated, then the case can even appear in front of the European Human Rights court. He thinks this observation [referring to the police] is absurd.

He also questioned the fact that blame was assigned to the police by saying that the suspect did not declare the whole truth to the Police. Mr Jorg asked if t his is not a choice that the suspect himself makes? He remarked that he was asking himself how a child can get it in his head to go weeks without giving a statement to the police.

This is a recap of the speech. It could be noted in the courtroom that the color of mr. Van Der Sloot changed, showing that he did not find himself comfortable. Many lawyers had comments on the reaction of mr. Jorg. Some lawyers opine that it was not the place nor the time to make this speech while other lawyers find it strange that mr. Jorg made such a speech but that mr. Van Sloot himself asked for it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=953.0


Buckeye ... is Jorg the Aruban official who Beth in LOVING NATALEE agreed with her that there had been a coverup in the disappearance of her daughter?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 09:25:52 PM
OMG ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm cracking up here.  If you read RU and have followed any of Resigned's posts he just posted this about Joran's naked picture ::MonkeyHaHa::

Quote from: resigned
penisje    :lol:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 09:28:42 PM


Look at it this way Carpe, they're digging Aruba a deeper grave. They probably don't care about them either but every time this happens Goosedick Joran just makes them look even worse. If they're trying to piss me off it backfired. I delight in seeing Joran bring the island down.



Abs-root-ly! -Scooby Doo


I couldn't agree more.



...and I have just added to my joke file... the term "GOOSEDICK."    ::MonkeyHaHa::

giving Dayhiker all the proper credits, ofcourse!!!!


I've seen chihuahuas with bigger balls, Carpe, lol! Joran didn't do himself any favors posing for that one. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 09:35:20 PM
The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!"  ::MonkeyRoll::

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always


I think the billboard idea is great Rob and agree near the airport may bee too late. I'd pick a well traveled thoroughfare that people travel to work on every day. Peck, peck, peck, drip drip drip, they'll get the message embedded in the back of their minds. That's what billboards are good at.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 09:36:40 PM


Buckeye ... is Jorg the Aruban official who Beth in LOVING NATALEE agreed with her that there had been a coverup in the disappearance of her daughter?

Thanks

Janet


That would be Jorge Pesquera. Rob Smith took his place.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 11, 2008, 09:36:50 PM
OOPS!

That last post was in reference to Rob and his BIG IMPACT ideas. Sorry!

It's all good carpe.... i second the motion on "GOOSEDICK"  lol

Hats off to that one!  Appearing in wickapedia soon i'm sure.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lol, the definition will be accompanied by that picture of the sporter, right?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 11, 2008, 09:37:28 PM
I would be willing to bet goon child only wishes he had balls as big as his mommas   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 09:38:37 PM
Oh my GOD  

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo  
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )



Am looking forward to your translations of these letters Johan.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 09:40:02 PM
I would be willing to bet goon child only wishes he had balls as big as his mommas   ::MonkeyTongue::


To paraphrase a political pundit, if Anita gave Joran one of her balls he'd have a pair. ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2008, 09:45:07 PM


Buckeye ... is Jorg the Aruban official who Beth in LOVING NATALEE agreed with her that there had been a coverup in the disappearance of her daughter?

Thanks

Janet


That would be Jorge Pesquera. Rob Smith took his place.

Thank you Dayhiker.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 09:47:47 PM
What i find most sad is how obvious, thru the documents so generously shared here, is the sad and simple truth that Aruba just looked the other way so many times, and with so many officials who knew better and perhaps even at one point DID want to solve the case.  So many people.  I don't know how they sleep.

Rob..the sign idea is great.  It would be expensive. 

MY stepfather had his new car hit in a supermarket lot by a carriage....threatened to create a negative billboard about incident if they did not fix his car.  They fixed it.  Yikes....I think it was 10,000 to rent one in 1990....I could be wrong....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 09:49:24 PM
Oh my GOD  

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo  
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )



Am looking forward to your translations of these letters Johan.  ::MonkeyDance::

me too, Johan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 11, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
Quote
Aruba seeks Netherlands' help in retaining highly-educated
 
De Volkskrant reports that bailiffs on the Caribbean island of Aruba confiscate the property of between 20 and 25 Arubans weekly because they cannot pay their student loans. 

Aruba is an autonomous part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The exchange rate for the Aruban florin, which is pegged to the declining dollar, has risen from 1.60 to EUR 1 in 2001 to 2.75 florins today, making it impossible to repay student loans on an average salary.

De Volkskrant writes that the Aruban People's Party has sent an urgent message to Dutch Education Minister Ronald Plasterk asking that he think of a solution before another 300 Arubans leave in August to study at Dutch universities.

Since it is impossible to repay the loans on an Aruban salary, "graduates are more or less forced to find a job in the Netherlands". This means that Aruba will lose more highly-educated people.

http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/RNW-Press-Review_-Wednesday-11-June-2008.html

isn't aruba always bragging about having the highest per capita income in the caribbean?
dennisintn


They do brag about that Dennis. I'll bet you some of their Caribbean neighbors would disagree. They are probaby using pre-May 30, 2005 numbers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
Oh my GOD  

Karin Janssen have send that letter( 2 days later ) with all the Questions to Van Straten  and dhr Sambo  
and She (KJ) asked them : Please your attention (for all the Questions in the letter )



FOM

Much of that also depends on location too, it varies from city to city, huh?

Location, location, location


Am looking forward to your translations of these letters Johan.  ::MonkeyDance::

me too, Johan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 09:55:31 PM
whoops.


FOM

Much of that also depends on location too, it varies from city to city, huh?

Location, location, location


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 10:16:59 PM
yes, location is key to price and visibility.

What would the sign say???

OMG if i could photo bucket.....lol...

ARUBA....the way to go!  And a pic of a polis man on a boat, throwing a cage w/ a body in it, into the ocean full of sharks.  The caption below..... "Natalees parents wish they had never let her go to Aruba."

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 10:23:26 PM
did not intend to be gross or cruel, monkeys.

in advertising u have to get peoples attention .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KYcat on June 11, 2008, 10:24:57 PM
Trying to catch up and just now getting my senses back after seeing that "DISTURBING" picture of Joran!!  ::MonkeyLaugh::  He is self-destructing and it's just a matter of time before he implodes....... He is a legend in his own mind.  I went to the website with the picture and was reading the comments and wanted to share some of my favorites.  It seems the Dutch are none too happy with him either (sorry, someone mentioned this earlier and I give you credit).

16:13 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response now I get also why he never the balls have had to admit that ie knew more… (or, sees someone balls which I do not see?) durpee, kirchroa  ::MonkeyLaugh:: (Exactly, where are they?????)   | 16:14 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response I him burden with grammetje or 10 heroin, has tie provisionally the coming 5 years for free stays in Bangkok Hilton, (Bangkwa)! boontje, loontje | 16:14 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Yes, indeed, that laughs himself rots. And the Netherlands does nothing? Really a curved country. Pette, drew | 16:14 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Are we in Netherlands still against the sentence? Now a good time would be our reconsider opinion… ollie bear bommel, g | 16:15 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response This way there is read soon a boat trip on YouTube to weerzien where is dumped American. Yoran have already a boat, almere | 16:15 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response in fact without words but it is outrageous. to be parents must be ashamed themselves and he himself also. However: JORAN, on a day encounter themselves you. " contrition comes after the zonde" do not go at you on unfortunately. But have an appropriate sentence on the doomsday you. fred, limburg | 16:15 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response *zucht* I need also holiday:) piet the beuker, Arnhem | 16:15 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Those maidservants are then still crazier than he himself Johnnepon, Arnhem | 16:16 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Tja, godfather R. this is nevertheless what he? This way you do you best this take up lad and confess to let and what does the Dutch rule of law…. NOTHING…. Ongelovelijk!!! But yes ...... Your fines in the Netherlands do not pay…. THEN you enter the gevang. Strangely!!! Godfather, Zoetermeer | 16:17 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response it seems be heeeel normal in those rings. white edging hufters Bert, Groningen | 16:17 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Godfather R. catches that vent and its pa because that is two gangsters of the upper beam, because by which this exuberant life is financed, particularly yes by keeping him to pa but outside the Netherlands. jaho, peat dam | 16:18 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response He is more loose, but what thinks you of the Dutch government who him runs but late. He has simply crazy with everyone. Tip for its new girlfriend, just but on little girl for you the weet also lie you on the floor of the sea. mother from the north, the north | 16:18 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Not to hope that those US scratch to house ring and zegt" I run just as on the range with Joram I come this way thuis" … Jeffrey, Z; more | 16:18 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response and where does godfather R freeze? nothing has been proved, nothing happened, nobody arrested… Godfather, if you have bravados, catches you him to! thijs, bakkel | 16:20 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response The naked photograph says: I have the legal system in Netherlands in my hands. My excuses. Babak, Rotterdam | 16:20 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response And there as a little girl still beside dare stand? How DOMs don't you have be or? Outrageously that this is possible! Wendy, Apeldoorn | 16:20 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response ah look. that grietje beside has there also taps. he has nevertheless everywhere been on the news therefore them weet nevertheless also that he none is normally someone. that still only round can run festivals pff gelderlander, gelderland | 16:20 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response I think that I will emigrate but. I am this way ready with this country…. how this is nou nevertheless possible…. chris, vlaardingen | 16:21 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response If I such regions have removed zoun, then my family would break direct with me. Obviously he financiele gets resources of its surroundings enough to hang out the animal. Yes, if you hear those parents, then weet you that the apple far from the tree does not fall. To seem me people without much moral cq.normen and values. If you educate yourself children this way spoiled and arrives there nothing of! What a clutter psychopaths which people! Kaalplukken that family! at, dordrecht | 16:21 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response To be ' zaakje' is exactly this way large such as is intelligence… Hoezo narcotics break more than your lief is? He had now but with its hand concerning its steel heart left behind brushed then he Natalee on the range instead of its ' zaakje' to let speak…: - ( no Joran-liefhebber, Netherlands | 16:22 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response What has happened with the intimations? Perla, but | 16:22 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Oddly that these are not locked up crazily. Weet darkened of losing a body and money. Further question I me finished how he comes celebrate to the money only and kindest in a beautiful and warm country. I went to the bathroom a time against a thick tree and in the buoys was beaten but what does he do certainly of JP and are do bandits gang have the approval? Tedje, Oudewater | 16:23 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response clear off with that spoiled lad owl, uncles | 16:23 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response What loser ......... , nevertheless someone who will be (as he himself done has) the " recht" in own hand takes .....? These loser take a loopje with everything and everyone! Sander, Mijdrecht | 16:23 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response gelyk have ie it have not been proved that hy are the assassin. if she has been assassinated and has drunk by all those narcotics and alcohol. kyk but which wipp harbours in Spain which kind onschuldige little girls change in sluts. neat Dutch little girls. ger, end courts | 16:23 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response Of course celebrates ie simply by. The boy does not know no self-criticism therefore finds itself guilty. A couple found oneself friends and he is present this way in the heavy crime. Those find themselves also never guilty. Marianne, Amsterdam | 16:24 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response There is a larger power which ensures that everyone gets that what him belongs to and for this reason I make myself no care for this young man. It comes all good! W. the brewer, Venlo | 16:24 | 11.06.08 Δ I have a complaint concerning this response you would hope almost that they catch him with grammetje coke in this that country: D hasjee, tyria |


I ran this thru Babelfish (the only one I can get to work).  Joran, Ole' Boy, you are the gift that just keeps on giving!!!

 ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 11, 2008, 10:25:35 PM
did not intend to be gross or cruel, monkeys.

in advertising u have to get peoples attention .

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 10:37:42 PM
did not intend to be gross or cruel, monkeys.

in advertising u have to get peoples attention .

I agree.
KY interesting....thank goodness for you, and  Babelfish?, ...

SAN ty i thought i was on my way to being really flamed in a  monkey b-b-q ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2008, 10:40:14 PM
Ya can't get sicker than what Aruba let the Vandersloots and Kalbones do to the Holloways, FOM.

Highlighting it all is exactly the right thing to do!!!

NO POINTY, NO CRIME. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 11, 2008, 10:48:39 PM
did not intend to be gross or cruel, monkeys.

in advertising u have to get peoples attention .

I agree.
KY interesting....thank goodness for you, and  Babelfish?, ...

SAN ty i thought i was on my way to being really flamed in a  monkey b-b-q ::MonkeyShocked::

No flames from me.  I believe in hit them hard.  Aruba did this now they will pay with their tourism going in the tank.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 10:49:09 PM
Ya can't get sicker than what Aruba let the Vandersloots and Kalbones do to the Holloways, FOM.

Highlighting it all is exactly the right thing to do!!!

NO POINTY, NO CRIME. ::MonkeyWink::

While a billboard would be great to make people think, I have to give MAJOR KUDOS to all of those that have demonstrated against aruba at the nationwide travel conventions.  Nothing beats human interst, energy and true compassion these people have exhibited to the world.  All of their support has already made a huge impact! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: msmarple on June 11, 2008, 10:54:14 PM

While a billboard would be great to make people think, I have to give MAJOR KUDOS to all of those that have demonstrated against aruba at the nationwide travel conventions.  Nothing beats human interst, energy and true compassion these people have exhibited to the world.  All of their support has already made a huge impact! 

FOM's post is a good peg for this; thanks FOM.

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 11:02:10 PM
MS MARPLE.....
I can't believe Vickie is the only one signed up so far. Definitely hoping others join her!
I would be there in a heart beat if it were not for this damned ankle bracelet.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 11:02:54 PM
Rob Smith says he is expecting close to record numbers for Aruban Tourism this year. I encourage anyone who can make it to D.C. for the Travel Summit as it will be a huge opportunity to be a voice for Natalee and her Family. If there is any possible way you can make the trip..Do it! They need people desperately and time is running out. If you don't educate and tell people the truth about this evil place who will? We can make a difference.
See the above post by Ms.Maple  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RobSmithMonkeys.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 11:04:29 PM
Just kidding about the ankle bracelet.....

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 11:10:08 PM
Bumper sticker...

"Paulus....is it no body no crime...or no aruba no crime???"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2008, 11:10:10 PM
Rob Smith says he is expecting close to record numbers for Aruban Tourism this year. I encourage anyone who can make it to D.C. for the Travel Summit as it will be a huge opportunity to be a voice for Natalee and her Family. If there is any possible way you can make the trip..Do it! They need people desperately and time is running out. If you don't educate and tell people the truth about this evil place who will?
See the above post by Ms.Maple  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/RobSmithMonkeys.gif)

yeah well he's smoking these

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/jORANjOINTS1-2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JoranGuilty1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2008, 11:10:38 PM
Just kidding about the ankle bracelet.....

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 11:15:47 PM
Just kidding about the ankle bracelet.....

 ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

KLASS I REA:LLY AMMMMMM KIDDING...lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 11:16:25 PM


yeah well he's smoking these

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/jORANjOINTS1-2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/JoranGuilty1-1.jpg)

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: If they aren't smoking the Nederweed in large amounts then we have some of the biggest lying idiots in entire the world all in one tiny island. 

Nice work on the Aruban Kush!!!!!!!! I saw another Marijuana plantation busted today in Awemainta..What do the people who get years in prison for less plants,think of Lorenzo Van Rijn who served only 2 weeks and was never prosecuted? How about the guys that were busted the same day as him in the same sting op? They said they spent 6 months or longer investigating this Marijuana ring..Everyone was convicted except LVR?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 11:18:12 PM
Rob...love the Van Rign plantation thing.  whoever made that video had their sh^t together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 11, 2008, 11:33:25 PM
*******...I have always thought LVR has been involved, as many monkeys do, beginning the early am that Nat went "missing".

As far as time in jail, for LVR I guess silence pays? 
Some day LVR will wind up dead....and quite unexpectedly, imo, probably in another country. 
He can never be trusted not to tell what he might profitably sell to the media or barter with the drug lords and mafia.
Does anyone know where LVR is now?  Just curious.  TY   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: jackb on June 11, 2008, 11:43:31 PM
sorry but i don't believe this is Joran 

{{edit - that was way too descriptive for this forum}}


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 11, 2008, 11:50:27 PM
*******...I have always thought LVR has been involved, as many monkeys do, beginning the early am that Nat went "missing".

As far as time in jail, for LVR I guess silence pays? 
Some day LVR will wind up dead....and quite unexpectedly, imo, probably in another country. 
He can never be trusted not to tell what he might profitably sell to the media or barter with the drug lords and mafia.
Does anyone know where LVR is now?  Just curious.  TY   

After reading most I everything I could about him ,I think it is likely he is Daury along with PVDS. I think it is highly likely PVDS picked up Joran and Natalee at 4AM and Joran caught the bus for school by Lorenzo's house a few hours later. Lorenzo is a recluse drug addict and dealer,he is probably the last person they are worried about as far as talking to the media or someone else. People that know him have said he lived on the edge,was spoiled,crazy,and did anything he wanted and eventually will hit a brick wall..Sound like anyone else we know? Your right,Eventually LVR will wind up like his adopted father Paul Van Rijn if he doesnt wind up in prison first where he belongs.

LVR is probably still at his house in Jaraweg,partying it up and back to business. If he isn't growing 100+ plants at his compound anymore then he is probably looking for other avenues for that cash flow. There are many Van Rijn's in Holland including his mother so I would imagine he spends time there as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
Destiny - the person that has the phone number is looking for it...seems this person keeps files  ::MonkeyHaHa:: we didn't forget you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

we'll get it yet!!

SMOOCH!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: jackb on June 12, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
I think the vd Sloot  trolls are still busy  with sending mis info
Gielen ,Julia and their 20 paid posters  ::MonkeyHaHa::
But t hey are not smart enough  ::MonkeyNoNo::
The "martin" story was fake
Pic in Thailand was fake
Passport trick was fake
And this story in the Prive is Fake .
Thailand is the most dangerous country in the world for someone who use drugs like Joran .
So do you really think Joran is there ?


If not, that is probably his campaign picture he is using to run for Governor of Aruba.  Enus (the penis) will have the main seat on the judiciary cabinent.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 12:36:14 AM
All these Govt committees..We know Paul Van Der Sloot was on the Hospital and Prison committee and A Govt mediator for the labor dispute...What other committees is he on? Is he on the casino committee with Mike Posner?

Aruba Today 6-11-08
(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/999/robsmithbj8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 12:37:54 AM
PLANTACION DI MARIHUANA Y UN LABORATORIO DESCUBRI

Awe tardi, team bijzondere projecten, miembro di Ministerio Publico,cu asistencia di varios patruya policial a bai na un cas na Tanki Leendert, unda a descubri un plantacion di marihuana. No t’esey so, ya cu nan a bin haya tambe un laboratorio pa procesa e droga aki, pa trah’e den pasta.

Di acuerdo cu informacion extraoficial cu nos di AWE24 a haya, dos persona a keda deteni. Tur dos ta Arubiano, un hende homber y un hende muher. Maske no ta exclui cu mas hende lo keda deteni den proximo dianan. Mester bisa, cu team bijzondere projecten, a tuma decision, cu nan ta bay na combati tur loke ta di droga. Siman pasa, nan a haci’e na Johan de Witstraat y awor despues di a haya informacion di e plantacionnan aki, a dicidi di haci un entrada hudicial. Tur loke cu nan a haya cu tin di haci cu e plantacion y procesamento di droga, a keda confisca. Sigur un bon trabao di nos Cuerpo Policial.

E fotonan ta na caminda…..

http://www.awe24.com/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 12:44:31 AM
(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/thumbs/646d4890e669cb3c96463cf5b9697dc3.jpg)

(http://news.diario-aruba.com/mambots/content/multithumb/thumbs/bac48be365a2b371014629ac3a523260.jpg)

GUARDACOSTA A INTERCEPTA 916 KILO DI COCAINA

Thursday, 12 June 2008
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Guardacosta di Aruba y Antiyas, en cooperacion cu Marina Real, Joint Interagency Task Force South, DEA, y unidadnan di avion Mericano, Frances, y Britanico, den e anochi di 10 di Juni, a coopera pa captura 916 kilo di cocaina y heroina.

E droga aki tabata scondi den 31 paki grandi, y tabata worde transporta den un speedboat tipo Go-fast. E droga y e speedboat a worde confisca, y e seis miembro di tripulacion a keda deteni.

Tabata Diamars merdia cu Guardacosta a haya informe di un unidad di avion, cu nan a mira un Go-fast sospechoso. Mesora e cutter Panter di Guardacosta staciona na Aruba a sali pe, y bay cu dos SuperRhib.

Durante e control di e boto sospechoso, a bin topa cu 31 paki cu droga. E Go-fast a worde lastra pa pier di Base di Marina na Parera (Curacao), y aki tur seis miembro di tripulacion cu nacionalidad Venezolano a keda deteni, y e droga a worde pasa pa Douane.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2991/30/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 12:47:20 AM
GUARDACOSTA A INTERCEPTA 916 KILO DI COCAINA

 ::MonkeyEek:: Wow BB! Two enormous busts in a week! Does Aruba give it back after all the pictures are teken? What do they have in Aruba that will stop a major drug cartel from seeking vengeance on confiscating 918 kilos of cocaine and heroin? The ALE?   Dumbpigs Shieldgroup? ::MonkeyLaugh::

The cartels probably dish out millions so these things don't happen..But it appears the Dea,Brits and French were all in this bust.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 01:19:02 AM
Destiny - the person that has the phone number is looking for it...seems this person keeps files  ::MonkeyHaHa:: we didn't forget you  ::MonkeyHaHa::

we'll get it yet!!



IN ANY COURT

UNCLEAN HANDS
=

DIRTYHANDS




PAPI.PAPI........HE KNOWS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
Where's that barf emoticon when you need it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108b.jpg)

My question is, if this is really Joran his hair is longer.  The photo of him in Thailand at SamSam was taken on 5/2/08 and his hair appeared to be very short.

One..two..three..four...

He wore an itsy bitsy teenie weenie...
couldn't fill a string bikini  at the party they threw him today...

an itsy bitsy teenie weenie...couldn't fill a string bikini..
and he had no balls, his mama took them away.

one! two! three! four!...

I always knew there was a reason I liked that old song...yellow polka dot bikini...LOL

Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 01:31:30 AM
I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!

Thank you Bruddah for your interest!!

This idea came to me a long time ago.

I live near the airport here - it was an international airport but we lost the British Airways connection and the US Airways International end to a certain degree also.

As I drive on the highway I see many billboards on the way to the airport.. most are for rental cars and hotels..

if we raised a bunch of money and placed about 10 billboards around the country on the way to the biggest airports that are still servicing Aruba we could make a huge impact... so many people would see those billboards and Natalee.

We have them by the balls - this would knock them out!!

DOWN GOES ARUBA - DOWN GOES ARUBA!!! - to quote Howard Cosell.

I'm in...
Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 01:41:58 AM
The only problem about the billboards around the airports is that by the time the people see the signs -- they already have bought their tickets.
A better sign might be:
 "If you already bought tickets to Aruba -- you effed up!"

I think Aruba should also place a big sign by their Departure gates : "You effed up -- you trusted us!"  ::MonkeyRoll::

wreck the idea is to get them to not consider Aruba in the first place... so they don't buy tickets..people drive these roads and are not yet booked and need reminded.

but I respect everyone's opinions - as always


Rob,

American or Aruban billboards? American would be great, but expensive.



Not if we got Arubas competition to sponsor them...or a major cruise line...that does not include Aruba as a destination...it's really very easy to bury things like this in corporate advertizing budgets...you work with the ad agencies, in league with corporate, to keep it off the corporates books...easy to do...really...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 01:59:36 AM
Rob...great idea....

With the right *pitch*...have done it many times in the past....Corporate picks up the expense of the billboards...runs it through their ad agencies..to keep the heat off them/corporate...they want the business/money...all we have to do is give them the right *pitch*...and it's a done deal...so easy..done every day in advertising....

Destiny...letting you all know too much about myself ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2008, 02:02:39 AM
 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Keep sending them over DE TELEGRAAF. We'll keep making

him a star all over the Internet.


JUST THE KIND PAULUS AND ANITA AND ARUBA

DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE! ;)


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2232.100


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 02:04:41 AM
::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Keep sending them over DE TELEGRAAF. We'll keep making

him a star all over the Internet.


JUST THE KIND PAULUS AND ANITA AND ARUBA

DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE! ;)


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2232.100

Carpe...I love your mind...

Destiny ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 12, 2008, 05:17:42 AM
Frontpage De Telegraaf today PVV:
Research: Fraud in the Antilles
Brinkman  wants a parliamentary investigation !
Sending them emails works  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Brinkman wants an investigation before we pay 2.2 Million  euros

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 12, 2008, 05:58:34 AM
I ask Brinkman also to give special attention to this letter it is a letter from
drs T.D. Croes (Aruban PG ) to Renee v Nie because this is a important letter in the NH case

via google

Dear lord of Nie,

I read on your website that among other things, as I Aruban PG in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have ruined the case.

I gave you earlier pointed out that this is contrary to the truth and I've asked you to stop untruths to proclaim.

I will again say how things really works. Natalee is the night of 29 on May 30, 2005 disappeared. I was up to June 6, the first eight days after the disappearance, in the Netherlands.
I do have those days during telephone contact with Karin Janssen and I've told her several times that those three boys, whose last with her and had let persist. Her answer was that those boys were first phonetaped , because otherwise the police had "nothing to the hearing to go". When I returned in Aruba, I told her again that she had to arrest the 3 boys . Her answer was that they were waiting for  video equipment from the Netherlands, because the questioning of the boys would be included on the video. WE never worked before  on  Aruba with  video. Why that had to happen now, could not be made clear to me. I was against, because the police never previously had included video interviews and had no experience with this method of questioning.

But as you now do, when I was appointed as the culprit of that disastrous first ten days, while I have nothing to do with it. The first eight days, I was not even in Aruba.  Karin  Janssen replaced for me as  PG and she  took the decisions at that moment . I have never throughout the investigation had contact with Commissioner van der Straten, either personally or by telephone ..

Janssen  never informed me   of the planned arrest of the two guards. I've saw  this in the Netherlands on television. I was never made clear why these two guards were arrested, because there was no indication that they were involved in the disappearance of Natalee. They are never to teletapped  "to have something to the hearing to go".

I would be grateful if you have a correction on your website and places where you are in the future would refrain from proclaim untruths.

mr drs T.D. Croes

NAWOORD (RvN): I FIND IT VERY VERY INTERESTING WHAT THE PG WRITE. ABOVE ALL THE PASSAGE OF TWO BLACK MEN APPEAR TO BE BASED ON NOTHING .... OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OR 'FOUTJE'???? THIS IS SO THAT MAY CONTAIN THE TIME FOR (KARIN ETC.) TOGETHER WITH THE ROADS THIS CASE OF THE FIRST 10 DAYS HAS GETRAINEERD. IN COOPERATION WITH WHO, FOR WHOM AND WHY?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dutch:
brief aan Renee v Nie .
INGEZONDEN:
Geachte heer van Nie,

Ik lees weer op uw website dat onder meer ik als Arubaanse P-G in de cruciale eerste tien dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway de zaak verpest heb.

Ik heb u al eerder op gewezen dat dit in strijd is met de waarheid en ik heb u ook verzocht op te houden met onwaarheden te verkondigen.

Ik zal u nog een keer zeggen hoe de zaak werkelijk in elkaar steekt. Natalee is in de nacht van 29 op 30 mei 2005 verdwenen. Ik was tot en met 6 juni, de eerste acht dagen na de verdwijning, in Nederland. Ik heb wel gedurende die dagen telefonisch contact gehad met hovj Janssen en ik heb haar meerdere malen gezegd dat zij die drie jongens, die als laatste met haar waren, moest laten aanhouden. Haar antwoord was dat die jongens eerst getapt moesten worden, want anders had de politie "niets om het verhoor in te gaan". Toen ik in Aruba terugkeerde heb ik haar opnieuw gezegd dat zij die jongens moest aanhouden. Haar antwoord was toen dat ze aan het wachten waren op videomateriaal uit Nederland, want het verhoor van de jongens zou op de video opgenomen worden. Nooit eerder is in Aruba een verhoor op de video opgenomen. Waarom dat nu moest gebeuren, kon mij niet duidelijk gemaakt worden. Ik was er tegen, omdat de politie nooit eerder video-verhoren had opgenomen en geen ervaring hadden met deze wijze van verhoren.

Maar zoals u nu ook doet, werd ik toen aangewezen als de schuldige van die rampzalige eerste tien dagen, terwijl ik daar helemaal niets mee te maken heb. De eerste acht dagen was ik niet eens in Aruba. De hovj Janssen verving mij als wnd P-G en zij nam de beslissingen. Ik heb nooit gedurende het gehele onderzoek contact gehad met commissaris van der Straten, noch persoonlijk, noch telefonisch..

Ik ben nooit door hovj Janssen op de hoogte gesteld van de voorgenomen aanhouding van de twee bewakers. Ik heb dit in Nederland op de televisie gezien. Mij is ook nooit duidelijk gemaakt waarom deze twee bewakers aangehouden moesten worden, want er was geen enkele aanwijzing, dat zij betrokken waren bij de verdwijning van Natalee. Ze zijn ook nooit getapt om "iets te hebben om het verhoor in te gaan".

Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen indien u een rectificatie op uw website zou plaatsen en indien u zich in de toekomst zou onthouden van het verkondigen van onwaarheden.

mr. drs. T.D. Croes

NAWOORD(RvN): IK VIND HET HEEL ERG INTERESSANT WAT DE P.G. SCHRIJFT. VOORAL DE PASSAGE OVER DE TWEE ZWARTE MANNEN DIE OP BASIS VAN NIETS....ZIJN OPGEPAKT. RACISTISCH OF 'FOUTJE'???? DIT ZOU DUS KUNNEN INHOUDEN DAT HET TOENMALIGE O.M. ( KARIN ETC. ) SAMEN MET VAN DER STRATEN DEZE ZAAK DE EERSTE 10 DAGEN GETRAINEERD HEEFT. IN SAMENWERKING MET WIE, VOOR WIE EN WAAROM?

br:RvN


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 12, 2008, 07:09:18 AM
Frontpage De Telegraaf today PVV:
Research: Fraud in the Antilles
Brinkman  wants a parliamentary investigation !
Sending them emails works  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Brinkman wants an investigation before we pay 2.2 Million  euros

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yes, Brinkman published his report today about corruption on the Antilles/Aruba.

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/politiek/artikel/asp/artnr/209510/rss/true/index.html

here a long list with suspicous officials:
http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/IncidentenAntillen.pdf
only Aruba isn't on there? i hope he comes with list of Aruba too.

Brinkman started a site where corruption incidents can be send to:
http://www.korompi.nl/

here his report:
http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/NotaAntillenMailVersie2.1.pdf

Aruba is mentioned, Rudy Lampe declared that Oduber and Briesen forged documents.

http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1123&Itemid=1

i hope there is more to come, else he is Aruba giving a free pass.
or he is combining it with a further Van der Sloot-report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 12, 2008, 07:52:54 AM
Quote
Criminality increased with 11 percent

Looking back on 2007, chief of police Peter de Witte is of the opinion that the shooting incident near Arubus in December of last year, whereby a 19-year old boy shot a police officer and was self shot and killed, is an example of the hardening in the society and especially with the youth.

ORANJESTAD – From the tentative figures of the Police Corps of Aruba it appears that criminality has increased with 11.3 percent last year.  This has to do with mainly the sharp rise of the number of robberies, especially in homes.  The police are highly satisfied with the approach of the local drug dealings and the use of narcotics; more than 200 kilo cocaine was confiscated last year, double the amount of 2006.

Points of concern are the development of the youth criminality and “the growing ease with which firearms are being used”, said chief of police Peter de Witte looking back on last year.  “The shooting incident in December of last year is an example of that.  It started with a fight and it ended in a shout-out, whereby one police officer was hit by two bullets and the shooter that finally died.”

The chief of police is also very concerned about the armed confrontations between several youth groups that in addition are getting more and more involved with criminal activities.  “A hardening has taken place.”  De Witte doesn’t want to talk about gangs.  “That gives them too much status.  These are groups that represent certain neighbourhoods, of which some are engaged in criminality like drug dealing and burglary.”   

Besides, the police corps has no perception of the age structure of those that commit crimes; at least not until a new registration system is introduced soon.  The youth criminality has been raised to priority one this year.  “Youth criminality, definitely after the serious incidents of last year, is heavily qualified for the subjective safety feeling.  More and more people are wondering: Do I have to go to carnival due to the problems caused by the young people.”

FEWER CAR THEFTS

Thus, the number of crimes has increased last year.  The number of crimes committed in 2005 was 5511; in 2006, 5643; and in 2007, 6277.  Again, the highest number of crimes committed is robbery, especially due to the increased number of housebreakings.  Lowering the number of burglaries is therefore on the priority list of this year.  The number of car thefts has decreased with 19 percent compared to 2006; which is positive, according to De Witte.

Same as past years, destruction and ill-treatment are the common crimes.  The number of deadly violent offences is dropping; 3 versus 7 in 2006 and 6 in 2005.

67 Percent of these crimes are solved.  

The stricter approach of the local dealing in drugs and use of narcotics that the police has started with last year and is also a spearhead for this year, is according to De Witte very successful.  Not only did the number of cocaine that was confiscated last year doubled compared to 2006, but the police also confiscated 1078 XTC-pills versus 340 in 2006.  A total of 152 persons, including 11 drug dealers were arrested during police actions in the entertainment centre.  “The local drug dealing and use of drugs remains a big problem. It caused a lot of inconvenience in the districts and peripheral criminality, like burglary.  Especially the youth is very vulnerable when they come into contact with drugs.  We know that drugs is being used and sold on several schools and I an very worried about that”, said De Witte.

TRAFFIC

Despite the extra traffic surveillances in 2007, the number of deaths in traffic accidents increased to 18; a big increase compared to the past 4 years. The number of reported collisions keeps dropping (-6.2 percent to 5858).  With all the police actions in traffic, the traffic behaviour has changed, says De Witte.  He hopes that a combination of traffic surveillance and prevention would change this.  The biggest problem is still alcohol in traffic.  “Most optimum would be to conduct traffic surveillance every day, but that is not realistic.  The corps doesn’t have enough capacity.” 

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 12, 2008, 08:00:10 AM
Where's that barf emoticon when you need it  ::MonkeyNoNo::


My question is, if this is really Joran his hair is longer.  The photo of him in Thailand at SamSam was taken on 5/2/08 and his hair appeared to be very short.

One..two..three..four...

He wore an itsy bitsy teenie weenie...
couldn't fill a string bikini  at the party they threw him today...

an itsy bitsy teenie weenie...couldn't fill a string bikini..
and he had no balls, his mama took them away.

one! two! three! four!...

I always knew there was a reason I liked that old song...yellow polka dot bikini...LOL

Destiny...
Destiny....lol...that song is stuck in my head.
Todays Diario:
JORAN TA SIGUI FIESTA       
Thursday, 12 June 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Recientemente e revista Hulandes a revela potretnan di Joran van der Sloot, unda cu bo ta wak Joran cu su amiga Mericano nobo, ta fiesta na Thailand.

El a “pose” pa potret, bebiendo for di un hemchi yena di alcohol y tambe sunu. Anonimamente e lo ta fiesta cu otro turistanan riba isla di Koh Samet, unda cu turistanan a saca su potret.

“I am king of the ocean”, Joran lo a grita segun un testigo, na momento cu e tabata bandona e isla cu speedboat. Joran lo a pone su mes bao di tratamento cerca un instituto psiquiatrico , pa haya terapia pa hendenan cu a keda pega den bida normal y ta confronta problemanan di comportacion y problemanan psiquiatrico.

Amigo di internet Martin Bakx algun tempo pasa lo a fia Joran placa pa e no worde cera despues cu el a worde haya cu marihuana.
Segun Bakx, Joran a coi 6000 Euro for di su cuenta.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 12, 2008, 08:08:32 AM
pics Joran  ::MonkeyConfused::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/1-JORAN_kopie.jpg?t=1213272405)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 12, 2008, 08:08:56 AM
Last Update: Wednesday, June 11, 2008
 

Drug-catch on open sea

The speedboat alongside the cutter Panter at Parera, and in the picture to the right, the bags with drugs.

WILLEMSTAD – The coastguard and navy made a big haul again late last night.  The cutter Panter intercepted a speedboat on open sea.  The speedboat had 916 kilo cocaine and heroine on board.  The six persons on board, all from Venezuela, were arrested.  Including this catch, the amount of confiscated drugs in less than 2 weeks is 1700 kilo.

In connection with the still going investigation, the coastguard doesn’t want to say where exactly the boat was intercepted last night.  Several media mentioned Bonaire this morning, but spokesperson Roderick Gouverneur denies that. 

The Dutch Navy and the Coastguard, acted in close cooperation with the American, French, and British navy as part of the Joint Interagency Task Force South (JIATF South) and with the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA).   

The coastguard received around noon a reporting from a patrolling helicopter that a suspicious go-fast was going towards Aruba or Curacao.  The coastguard put the cutter Panter and two SuperRhibs from the naval base in Aruba into action.  They were able to stop the speedboat.  During the inspection of the suspicious vessel, they found 31 bags with drugs.  They took the go-fast to the coastguard landing at the naval base in Parera.  The six persons on board were arrested and the drugs handed over to customs.  The case is under investigated.

The police rounded up a drug gang late May and confiscated 123 kilos of cocaine in a car.  A few days later, the coastguard intercepted a Venezuelan speedboat with 162 kilo cocaine on board.  The three people on board jumped overboard and fled via land.  The coastguard was also at it on the Windward Islands; they intercepted a boat near Saba with 20 kilo cocaine last Tuesday, and 500 kilo cocaine was intercepted in Great Bay in St. Maarten last Friday.   
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 08:09:55 AM
Frontpage De Telegraaf today PVV:
Research: Fraud in the Antilles
Brinkman  wants a parliamentary investigation !
Sending them emails works  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Brinkman wants an investigation before we pay 2.2 Million  euros

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yes, Brinkman published his report today about corruption on the Antilles/Aruba.

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/politiek/artikel/asp/artnr/209510/rss/true/index.html

here a long list with suspicous officials:
http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/IncidentenAntillen.pdf
only Aruba isn't on there? i hope he comes with list of Aruba too.

Brinkman started a site where corruption incidents can be send to:
http://www.korompi.nl/

here his report:
http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/NotaAntillenMailVersie2.1.pdf

Aruba is mentioned, Rudy Lampe declared that Oduber and Briesen forged documents.

http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1123&Itemid=1

i hope there is more to come, else he is Aruba giving a free pass.
or he is combining it with a further Van der Sloot-report.

Could someone please find this part of the article and translate it for me?  I am really interested in the statement from Mr. Lampe.  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 08:32:10 AM
Frontpage De Telegraaf today PVV:


Could someone please find this part of the article and translate it for me?  I am really interested in the statement from Mr. Lampe.  TIA

Morning all...Is it Friday yet? :(

It was posted  a week or so ago about Lampe having proof that Wever and Briesen forged documents and corruption with the firm Bouldin and Lawson.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 08:37:22 AM
Frontpage De Telegraaf today PVV:


Could someone please find this part of the article and translate it for me?  I am really interested in the statement from Mr. Lampe.  TIA

Morning all...Is it Friday yet? :(

It was posted  a week or so ago about Lampe having proof that Wever and Briesen forged documents and corruption with the firm Bouldin and Lawson.

Thanks Obs. So the forged documents pertain to this firm?  A law firm?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 08:39:20 AM
Well poop!Let me try that again...

So the firm is a law firm?  Sorry about the quote confusion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 08:44:05 AM
Well poop!Let me try that again...

So the firm is a law firm?  Sorry about the quote confusion.

No,they are a environmental firm that does big projects with Aruba..Booshi was doing things with no authorization and briesen was making illegal trips to spain,Lampe caught them rigging a huge contract so the MEP would get all the commissions,with no other bidders or competition. They have a enormous mega million dollar contract for some type of resort and also that dump with this firm. Both projects were talked about in the papers the last few weeks and both are filled with major corruption involving Booshi Wever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 08:46:33 AM
Well poop!Let me try that again...

So the firm is a law firm?  Sorry about the quote confusion.

No,they are a environmental firm that does big projects with Aruba..Booshi was doing things with no authorization and briesen was making illegal trips to spain,Lampe caught them rigging a huge contract so the MEP would get all the commissions,with no other bidders or competition. They have a enormous mega million dollar contract for some type of resort and also that dump with this firm. Both projects were talked about in the papers the last few weeks and both are filled with major corruption involving Booshi Wever.

Mega millions?  Could this have anything to do with the Ritz-Carlton project that had been proposed a few years back?  When you say dump are you talking landfill?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 12, 2008, 08:54:32 AM
caesu
i can't find the exel  "uitdraai"  van alle kranten berichten (articles in newspapers)
can you find that somewere ?

http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/NotaAntillenMailVersie2.1.pdf

page 26


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 08:56:05 AM
Well poop!Let me try that again...

So the firm is a law firm?  Sorry about the quote confusion.

No,they are a environmental firm that does big projects with Aruba..Booshi was doing things with no authorization and briesen was making illegal trips to spain,Lampe caught them rigging a huge contract so the MEP would get all the commissions,with no other bidders or competition. They have a enormous mega million dollar contract for some type of resort and also that dump with this firm. Both projects were talked about in the papers the last few weeks and both are filled with major corruption involving Booshi Wever.

Mega millions?  Could this have anything to do with the Ritz-Carlton project that had been proposed a few years back?  When you say dump are you talking landfill?

Yes,Mega Millions..I posted the article a few weeks ago..I forgot which project it was but it's enormous.

Just a few days ago they had another article about that landfill involving these same people. That firm converts waste into energy,but Booshi and those involved are up to there eyeballs in corruption with this firm and they are being caught every step of the way. This Booshi Wever is a absolute joke in Aruba and some are asking him to retire.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4993/18/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 08:58:50 AM
Thanks Obs.  I must have missed the story. I was curious about the resort and what large hotel it was contracted to at the time.  If you or anyone has time I would love to know the page it was on?  Sorry to be so much trouble. Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 12, 2008, 08:59:03 AM
Johan,

Some days I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I need some clarification.

Are you saying that the two photos in the paper (naked Joran and Joran drinking from a bucket) are not real pictures of Joran?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 12, 2008, 09:07:24 AM
Where's that barf emoticon when you need it  ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran061108b.jpg)

My question is, if this is really Joran his hair is longer.  The photo of him in Thailand at SamSam was taken on 5/2/08 and his hair appeared to be very short.

One..two..three..four...

He wore an itsy bitsy teenie weenie...
couldn't fill a string bikini  at the party they threw him today...

an itsy bitsy teenie weenie...couldn't fill a string bikini..
and he had no balls, his mama took them away.

one! two! three! four!...

I always knew there was a reason I liked that old song...yellow polka dot bikini...LOL

Destiny...


roflmao!!! Destiny you are such a hoot!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 12, 2008, 09:07:50 AM
bt girl
doesn't matter i am always sharp  ha ha  ::MonkeyHaHa::
the Pauw & Witteman Capture  is the real Joran >>> no hair on his hand
the Thailand pic is with hair


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 12, 2008, 09:13:39 AM
johan555 & Caesu,Thank You for all of your help.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2008, 09:17:17 AM
bt girl
doesn't matter i am always sharp  ha ha  ::MonkeyHaHa::
the Pauw & Witteman Capture  is the real Joran >>> no hair on his hand
the Thailand pic is with hair
Hair on the hands is directly proportionate to "spanking the monkey."   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 12, 2008, 09:23:53 AM
caesu
i can't find the exel  "uitdraai"  van alle kranten berichten (articles in newspapers)
can you find that somewere ?

http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/NotaAntillenMailVersie2.1.pdf

page 26


isn't that this PDF?
http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/artikelen_publicaties/publicaties/antillen/IncidentenAntillen.pdf

i think he submitted all photocopies of the articles to the parliament.

but i am disappointed that Aruba isn't mentioned that often.
of course Aruba, isn't part of the kingdom restructuring.
but Aruba is part of the restructuring of the justice systems.

there are many irregularities regarding the Aruban justice department / OM.
especially last month a lot of questions were raised by other dutch political parties.

he could have easily filled a few pages with corruption allegation articles about Aruba.

maybe he is coming with a follow up. that he wanted to keep Aruba and the Antilles seperate.
he is aware of the situation on Aruba and he has questions regarding PvdS dealings.
so maybe he combines the Natalee-case and corruption on Aruba for a further report.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 12, 2008, 09:29:25 AM

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Joran/JoranKoen.jpg)

To compair hair on  hands




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 12, 2008, 09:36:26 AM
Quote
Dutch MP reignites Antillean corruption debate

by Georg Schreuder Hes

12-06-2008

In a paper he presented at press conference on Thursday, Dutch Freedom Party MP Hero Brinkman says he wants to hold a parliamentary inquiry into the scope of corruption in the Netherlands Antilles. The long awaited 'corruption paper', named 'The Antilles...a Mafia within the kingdom?', which is mainly based on newspaper articles and other public sources, paints a picture of nepotism, self enrichment, and criminality among government workers and politicians.

In the paper the Freedom Party MP lists the names of 120 allegedly corrupt politicians, government workers and officials. The top-five is headed by left-wing nationalist party leader Anthony Godett, followed by a number of other local politicians. The paper also includes 170 concrete examples of corruption.

"Tip of the iceberg"
According to Mr Brinkman, this is only "the tip of the iceberg". His report includes a damning report published by a good governance foundation in Bonaire. The report finds the island's administrators guilty of exceeding the budget, nepotism, frustrating the opposition and the auditor's office, and of sacking government workers who are critical.

It is not clear how Mr Brinkman's paper will affect the bi-annual meeting of Antillean and Dutch MPs scheduled to start on Monday. In the past two years, these meetings have been dominated by the subject of the islands' political reform. Curaçao and St Maarten voted in referenda to become autonomous within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, while the other three islands - Saba, St Eustace and Bonaire - decided to become special municipalities of the Netherlands itself.

"Corrupt den of thieves"

At a previous Dutch/Antillean consultation in Curaçao in January, the talks were aborted when Antillean MPs denied the Freedom Party MP access to the parliament building after he said the island was "a corrupt den of thieves". Speaker of the Antillean parliament Pedro Atacho, said he would cancel the meeting unless the Dutch parliamentary delegation agreed on a code of behaviour.

Mr Atacho made his remarks after conservative VVD MP and chairman of the Commission for Antillean and Aruban Affairs, Willebrord van Beek, rejected his proposal. In an interview with Radio Netherlands Worldwide, Mr Van Beek said drawing up a code of behaviour to prevent parliamentarians trading insults was impossible because it would violate freedom of speech.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/080612-dutch-antilles-corruption
http://antilliaans.caribiana.nl/politiek/car20080612_nota-brinkman


No support for corruption investigation Antillen/Aruba in parliament.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4214153/_Geen_onderzoek_corruptie_Antillen__.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 12, 2008, 09:37:49 AM
I'm not sure about the nude picture, but I'd swear the one where he's drinking is the real Joran, because of the little squinty left eye. Or did someone photoshop his head onto someone else's body?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 09:50:44 AM
Frontpage De Telegraaf today PVV:
Research: Fraud in the Antilles
Brinkman  wants a parliamentary investigation !
Sending them emails works  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Brinkman wants an investigation before we pay 2.2 Million  euros

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Excellent! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 09:51:38 AM
I'm not sure about the nude picture, but I'd swear the one where he's drinking is the real Joran, because of the little squinty left eye. Or did someone photoshop his head onto someone else's body?  ::MonkeyConfused::

If that isn't Joran you can be sure that RU will let us all know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 12, 2008, 09:57:36 AM
I'm not sure about the nude picture, but I'd swear the one where he's drinking is the real Joran, because of the little squinty left eye. Or did someone photoshop his head onto someone else's body?  ::MonkeyConfused::

If that isn't Joran you can be sure that RU will let us all know.

I magnified Joran's hand in the pic with Koen, and I think up close his hand is hairier than it first looks in that photo. If it isn't him, I hope RU lets us know soon.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 12, 2008, 10:00:14 AM
Just remember, in that picture with Koen Joran was much younger.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 10:05:17 AM
You can't go by the hair on the hands or arms.  My stepson has been known to shave his hands and arms.  Don't ask me why, seems like alot of work to me ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 12, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
Just remember, in that picture with Koen Joran was much younger.

You are right.  Joran has matured in his looks since that photo...that's most likely Joran.  He would do something like that just for attention. He has no regard for anyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 10:09:36 AM
TODAYS DIARIO...ROFLMAO!!   Pluse email from diario...

Hi XXXXXX;

Yes me already know about it.

We have it today newspaper.

Now we waiting for the reactions.

 

Bye

XXXXXXXX


   
JORAN TA SIGUI FIESTA    PDF    Print    E-mail
Thursday, 12 June 2008

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Recientemente e revista Hulandes a revela potretnan di Joran van der Sloot, unda cu bo ta wak Joran cu su amiga Mericano nobo, ta fiesta na Thailand.

El a “pose” pa potret, bebiendo for di un hemchi yena di alcohol y tambe sunu. Anonimamente e lo ta fiesta cu otro turistanan riba isla di Koh Samet, unda cu turistanan a saca su potret.

“I am king of the ocean”, Joran lo a grita segun un testigo, na momento cu e tabata bandona e isla cu speedboat. Joran lo a pone su mes bao di tratamento cerca un instituto psiquiatrico , pa haya terapia pa hendenan cu a keda pega den bida normal y ta confronta problemanan di comportacion y problemanan psiquiatrico.

Amigo di internet Martin Bakx algun tempo pasa lo a fia Joran placa pa e no worde cera despues cu el a worde haya cu marihuana.
Segun Bakx, Joran a coi 6000 Euro for di su cuenta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 10:24:10 AM
TODAYS DIARIO...ROFLMAO!!   Pluse email from diario...

Hi XXXXXX;

Yes me already know about it.

We have it today newspaper.

Now we waiting for the reactions.

 

Bye

XXXXXXXX


   
JORAN TA SIGUI FIESTA    PDF    Print    E-mail
Thursday, 12 June 2008

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Recientemente e revista Hulandes a revela potretnan di Joran van der Sloot, unda cu bo ta wak Joran cu su amiga Mericano nobo, ta fiesta na Thailand.

El a “pose” pa potret, bebiendo for di un hemchi yena di alcohol y tambe sunu. Anonimamente e lo ta fiesta cu otro turistanan riba isla di Koh Samet, unda cu turistanan a saca su potret.

“I am king of the ocean”, Joran lo a grita segun un testigo, na momento cu e tabata bandona e isla cu speedboat. Joran lo a pone su mes bao di tratamento cerca un instituto psiquiatrico , pa haya terapia pa hendenan cu a keda pega den bida normal y ta confronta problemanan di comportacion y problemanan psiquiatrico.

Amigo di internet Martin Bakx algun tempo pasa lo a fia Joran placa pa e no worde cera despues cu el a worde haya cu marihuana.
Segun Bakx, Joran a coi 6000 Euro for di su cuenta.

LOL, yep there it is!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 12, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
You can't go by the hair on the hands or arms.  My stepson has been known to shave his hands and arms.  Don't ask me why, seems like alot of work to me ::MonkeyHaHa::

I thought of that, too, Klaas.  A guy at a place I once worked was a body builder.  Seems to be the norm to shave chest, arms, whatever for contests.....on another note, that nude picture reminded me of Richard Hatch from Survivor Borneo, but I didn't find that pose in any pictures..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Peaches on June 12, 2008, 10:29:53 AM
I have an idea, one I think could make a huge impact

does anyone want to hear it?


But of course!

Thank you Bruddah for your interest!!

This idea came to me a long time ago.

I live near the airport here - it was an international airport but we lost the British Airways connection and the US Airways International end to a certain degree also.

As I drive on the highway I see many billboards on the way to the airport.. most are for rental cars and hotels..

if we raised a bunch of money and placed about 10 billboards around the country on the way to the biggest airports that are still servicing Aruba we could make a huge impact... so many people would see those billboards and Natalee.

We have them by the balls - this would knock them out!!

DOWN GOES ARUBA - DOWN GOES ARUBA!!! - to quote Howard Cosell.

Be nice if an outdoor advertising company would donate otherwise unleased space in order to facilitate some billboards. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 12, 2008, 10:44:42 AM
TODAYS DIARIO...ROFLMAO!!   Pluse email from diario...

Hi XXXXXX;

Yes me already know about it.

We have it today newspaper.

Now we waiting for the reactions.

 

Bye

XXXXXXXX


   


LOL, yep there it is!

 His parents must be so proud!  lMAO  There is your sporter Anita!! ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 11:00:18 AM
Yep AZ...now all of Aruba can see Anita's *little* sporter....

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: caesu on June 12, 2008, 11:07:56 AM
of course you can continue to send Hero Brinkman information about the corruption on Aruba:

http://www.korompi.nl/meld.html
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

next week are the POK-meetings.
(parlementairy delegations from Aruba, The Antilles and The Netherlands meet).

last POK meeting was aborted due to Brinkman calling Aruba/Antilles a 'corrupt gangster nest'.
Brinkman was banned from the Curaçao parlement building and police chief Jan van der Straten wanted to arrest Brinkman on Bonaire.

also Rudy Croes still has to come up with a new PG before July 1st when Nico Jörg leaves.

so there is some momentum.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 11:32:08 AM
TODAYS DIARIO...ROFLMAO!!   Pluse email from diario...

Hi XXXXXX;

Yes me already know about it.
We have it today newspaper.
Now we waiting for the reactions.

Bye

XXXXXXXX


LOL, yep there it is!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/


Thank you Destiny! Bet they are proud of their sporter down there. Makes the government of Aruba look more corrupt every time he pulls a stunt like this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 11:34:46 AM
Just remember, in that picture with Koen Joran was much younger.

You are right.  Joran has matured in his looks since that photo...that's most likely Joran.  He would do something like that just for attention. He has no regard for anyone.


I don't think he's matured Las, I just think he's gotten fatter and unhealthier.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 11:37:24 AM
johan555 & Caesu,Thank You for all of your help.


I'll second that! We appreciate you bringing us the news from across the pond Caesu and Johan.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 11:40:43 AM

While a billboard would be great to make people think, I have to give MAJOR KUDOS to all of those that have demonstrated against aruba at the nationwide travel conventions.  Nothing beats human interst, energy and true compassion these people have exhibited to the world.  All of their support has already made a huge impact! 


I agree FOM, the Monkey protesters are at the top of my appreciation list. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 11:41:39 AM
Rob and all...tossing out an mind fart for the Billboard idea...imagine this as you're driving down the freeway....

billboard with this on it:

THINKING OF A  VACATION?
*across the top*

CANCUN *or, any vacation spot*...the large photo, across the whole board...people having a huge buffet dinner party on the beach...everyone is smiling, happy..

*botton half of billboard*

ARUBA *large photo of Natalee in what she was wearlng last on Aruba with caption...still missing...case still not solved...

*then at very bottom* in giant letters...

YOUR CHOICE-YOU DECIDE WHERE TO SPEND YOUR VACATION MONEY.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 11:44:19 AM
Quote
Dutch MP reignites Antillean corruption debate

by Georg Schreuder Hes

12-06-2008

In a paper he presented at press conference on Thursday, Dutch Freedom Party MP Hero Brinkman says he wants to hold a parliamentary inquiry into the scope of corruption in the Netherlands Antilles. The long awaited 'corruption paper', named 'The Antilles...a Mafia within the kingdom?', which is mainly based on newspaper articles and other public sources, paints a picture of nepotism, self enrichment, and criminality among government workers and politicians.

In the paper the Freedom Party MP lists the names of 120 allegedly corrupt politicians, government workers and


'The Antilles...a Mafia within the kingdom?'

 HE GOT THAT RIGHT CAESU!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 11:44:52 AM
johan555 & Caesu,Thank You for all of your help.


I'll second that! We appreciate you bringing us the news from across the pond Caesu and Johan.

I third that Johan and Caesu!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ala_gunslinger on June 12, 2008, 11:58:10 AM
Rob and all...tossing out an mind fart for the Billboard idea...imagine this as you're driving down the freeway....

billboard with this on it:

THINKING OF A  VACATION?
*across the top*

CANCUN *or, any vacation spot*...the large photo, across the whole board...people having a huge buffet dinner party on the beach...everyone is smiling, happy..

*botton half of billboard*

ARUBA *large photo of Natalee in what she was wearlng last on Aruba with caption...still missing...case still not solved...

*then at very bottom* in giant letters...

YOUR CHOICE-YOU DECIDE WHERE TO SPEND YOUR VACATION MONEY.



Hey ya'll!

Just cutting mind wind with Dest!

How about...

Your vacation destination could be a life or death decision.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
TODAYS DIARIO...ROFLMAO!!   Pluse email from diario...

Hi XXXXXX;

Yes me already know about it.
We have it today newspaper.
Now we waiting for the reactions.

Bye

XXXXXXXX


LOL, yep there it is!

http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/


Thank you Destiny! Bet they are proud of their sporter down there. Makes the government of Aruba look more corrupt every time he pulls a stunt like this.

DayHiker...Thanks goes to Klaas...she posted the link....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: jackb on June 12, 2008, 12:02:21 PM
Yep AZ...now all of Aruba can see Anita's *little* sporter....

Destiny

...and Joran sporting his little friend, Mr. Enus.         j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 12:12:53 PM
I would like to repost this writing from early in the case. I have reread it again  after having learned about the apartments or some such similar places, among other things and it seems have more insight by the writer than I originally gave him/her credit for. Please i don't agree with it all, especially the first part(s) ie I don't think Natalee asked to be brought there, so don't flame me-I didn't write it. But isn't it possible that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at these apartments by the Kalpoes, maybe there Natalee was given more drugs, and did infact have a seizure. She may not have died at that time-not then .....Joran left and called his father at 4 am to pick him up. Just thinking out loud.......(my comments in red below)

+++++++++++++

The Crack House Theory
an essay by Sam Redman

The crackhouse theory is based on early statements from the police, and later, from others, that Natalee "may have ended up in a crackhouse" and that she "would show up in a couple of days."

This story (which, of course, as far as any one knows, is entirely fictional) begins at around 2:00 am when Joran and Natalee are dropped off by Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe at the Marriott beach area.   Perhaps, Natalee told them while driving around that she wanted to go to a crack house (possibly one which she had already visited on a previous night). " Hey," maybe she says, "I want to go to that drug house where we went the other night, that was fun."

Some stories have circulated that Natalee had not even spent a single night in her own hotel room, and while that might be explained away other ways (visiting other girls' rooms),  it is probable that she might have been quite an active "party girl" during her stay (lots of other young tourist girls go "wild" on these Aruba trips).  Now, maybe she was looking for one last wild time before departure the next morning.

Crack houses are well known
The crack houses are such an institution in Aruba, that someone like Mickey John (one of the arrested security guards) just mentioned it casually in his interviews after being released from jail,  You may have noticed that no reporters even reacted to his statement with follow up questions saying, "Crack house? Are you kidding, here in Aruba? Where are they?"  In addition, the superintendent of police himself mentioned, very early in the case, that they had "checked several of the crack houses," saying this very odd, very alarming information (at least, to most people from suburban America), in about the same casual style as someone might say, "We checked several of the Starbuck's coffeshops."

The police chief, by his casualness, also demonstrated how commonplace it is for tourists to go there, when he didn't follow up on that by announcing , "We are bringing all of those crack house people in for intensive questioning." He just left it at "checking to see" if she was there (like you might call a coffee shop to see if one of your friends had stopped by earlier). So, we know that crack houses are around and that they are readily accessible to those who know where they are and that they are not a surprise to average guys, like local security guards, or regarded as out of the ordinary by the police.  These are businesses with one requirement the same as any legal business; they must  have customers to stay in business.  So, since they do exist, we can assume that lots of people must know all about them.

Just providing "the ride"
The Kalpoe brothers that evening were, most likely, merely providing transportation. They would have known and respected that Natalee was Joran's project (that is the way guys work it, when one guy has a chance to have a sexual liaison, buddies don't crowd another guy's action) , so they probably didn't participate any further than letting them off there.  However,  they most likely were aware of Joran's and Natalee's intended destination. Guys talk to each other about what they are doing to have fun.

This theory postulates that this would have been a particular crack house, which they, not only, all knew about, but it would have been one which would have to have been within walking distance of that Marriott beach drop-off point. Logic might dictate that if there is such a place within walking distance,  it would be a good place to start the investigation. The Kalpoes (and many other people on the island) could most likely take you right to it.

Just something fun to do
So, possibly Joran took Natalee there.  We also know something Joran knew. He  knew that he had exams later that morning and he might even have thought that this excursion would have even been a good experience for him with those tests coming in a matter of hours, because crack (or even powdered coke) would make him wide awake for his examinations. So it is easy to picture Joran considering the suggestion of a little crack smoking and thinking that it sounded ok to him.   Evidently, rumor has it,  these places also keep other drugs, like the best Amsterdam pot and hash. Plus, it is a "safe" place to do them. Unlike the way a lot of tourists arrive in Aruba believing, drugs are not legal, just plentiful.   Like all drug operations in Aruba these places are said to be run by a ruthless South American crime cartel. While that may not be verifiable, we know they are certainly managed by very unsavory underworld characters, who are not people to be trifled with by the regular citizenry.

At the crack house,  it is easy to assume that both Joran and Natalee would have smoked some crack, perhaps along with some other drugs.  It is also possible that Natalee also would have done some smack (heroin) or maybe some kind of narcotic sedative like Dilaudid (common form of pharmaceutical morphine), because she wanted to be relaxed for the morning flight.

Joran had to leave
Now after a while, it makes sense that Joran would have been saying, "I have to get home and get ready for school."  Maybe then is when he  text messages Deepak about coming to get them.  But, that plan might have changed (maybe while the call was being made) because,  it seems reasonable that  one of the crack house coordinators would have said, "No need for you to have someone go to that trouble, I have my car here. I will be happy to drop you both off." Joran then would have then done the text message back to Deepak that he got a ride.

Assuming all was well
Now, here is where the mystery theory develops and really begins to fit the stories, or alibis, that Joran told.  The crack house man (he could have been just a lower echelon driver) might have dropped off Joran first at Joran's house, telling Joran that  he "will take Natalee on  to the Holiday Inn." That would have sounded fine with Joran, he would have been home and he wouldn't have to be concerned anymore about Natalee's situation.   He would have then text messaged Deepak that he "is home."  So, we can now visualize the car departing with Natalee riding with the crack house guy to what she thinks is her hotel. Joran would have gone to bed, also assuming that Natalee was indeed being dropped off at the Holiday Inn.

At school the next morning
When morning arrived, Joran would have routinely headed off  to school, all the time assuming that everything had worked out ok. He would not have known anything was amiss until later in the day, when there was some of the publicity starting about a missing teen. So, when he is first at school, it is easy to understand him telling several of his buddies that he had sex with that girl they saw him with the night before at the Excelsior Casino and at Carlos 'n Charlies. The story is now falling well into place fitting rumors we have heard.  When the publicity starts, his headmaster calls him in and tells him to stop talking about Natalee, because she has missed her flight.

At this point, Joran would then have contacted the Kalpoe brothers and said, "let's get our stories straight." They all would have known they could not mention anything about the crack house, because of the fear of reprisals from the very dangerous criminal cartel who runs the crack house and, of course, Joran would have had to tell his parents and school officials that he had visited such a place.  If this is the truth, it is easy to see someone wanting to keep it quiet.

Creating the cover story
So, they would then substitute the story that instead of them dropping Joran and Natalee at the Marriott beach area (which they assume everyone would know is close by that crack house), they take the very story of what they assume was the the crack house driver's experience and tell that as their own. At that point, as  far as they know that is most likely not the truth, since Natalee isn't showing up,  but they imagine that, either she went back to that crack house later (after being dropped off) or that she returned to the crack house with the driver.  Either way, they just assume that she will show up later that evening.  It is not hard to believe that  might have had this experience with other tourist girls a time or two (even the police said later that they know this does happen).

Telling the first version
At 1:00 AM (now Tuesday) a group of Alabama men (parents of other students) along with Jug and Beth Twitty and with a couple of Aruba cops  (and peculiarly, also a United States DEA agent, who they say just happened to be at the hotel) show up at Joran's house.  This is the first time Paulus has heard anything about it.  The people are saying, "My daughter missed her flight and we know that Joran was the last person seen with her."  They are demanding, " Where is my daughter?" After Joran shows up,  Joran tells his "dropped her off at the Holiday Inn story." Plus, a local who was there (he owns a cellphone company), Charles Croes, tells in a tv interview that Joran volunteers to help anyway he can.   Unfortunately, the Alabama men start to get loud and boisterous and demand to know where Natalee is.  They at this point most likely think that Natalee and Joran are merely having a romantic tryst and that Natalee is just staying over and they are concerned about her throwing away her career plans for a summer fling.  Paulus is completely surprised and shocked by their behavior and so taken aback that this is the reason he tells his son to "say nothing."  He doesn't know what his son has done, but he wants to find out and advise him later after everyone has gone.  Of course, even in private, Joran would have still told Paulus the same "dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn" story, earlier concocted with the Kalpoe brothers. .  Paulus would have been satisfied with that, but being an attorney, he would have been cautious in the light of the now rampaging Twittys and therefore advised his son and the Kalpoes to keep a low profile since a girl was missing and that is what a lawyer would tell anyone.

Possibly a horrific irony
Here is could have been a horribly ironic circumstance. When the Alabama group showed up with the police at Joran's house, it is possible that Natalee was still alive back at the crack house, maybe still not yet out of her a drugged state, and the drug guys were patiently waiting for her to come down enough to just be straight enough to return to her hotel.  From the way people talked,  a two day come down was not that uncommon.  A worse case scenario would have been that she might have been being used for the pleasure of visiting drug cartel bosses (although this would be not very plausible).  In either situation, after she was "straight,"  they would have gotten her out of there alive (probably giving her a ride to the hotel).  This was a scene that had repeated often (letting them sleep it off)  with many of these young tourist girls.

But now, when all the media starting paying attention and the tiny island of Aruba was swarming with cameras they knew they could not want their drug operation to be exposed.  So, they might have concluded that Natalee had to disappear. Experienced at this, they would have then just killed her. But, there are many other variations of might have happened at the drug house as, for example, an accidental drug overdose, which occured after Joran left. In this explanation, when Joran was ready to go, Natalee couldn't, because she was just too "wasted,"
so, the drug employess might have given only Joran a ride home with Natalee staying behind, sleeping away in a comfortable bed. They might have fully intended that they would take Natalee to her hotel after she came down, but then she perhaps died accidently, maybe just not waking up. my feeling is that here Joran likely left and called his father to pick him up. Did he cut through the pond area and lose his shoe. If he had taken Natalee to such a place and she had a seizure and her condition deteriorated.....I doubt he would have carried her out.

Left with a body I think it was likely the next night that Sloots called Koen and together they disposed of Natalee
In either event, they would have been left with a body and most likely would have disposed of the body 100 miles or more out to sea, where they knew she would never be found (they are professionals at this).  For decades have known how to make bodies disappear.  Next, it seems logical that the crime cartel would have dismantled that crack house, removing all evidence. It would even make sense that someone, who would not attract attention, is now living at that location, perhaps a nice family with several kids and a few dogs.


A story changes
How does the story change? When Kalpoe brothers are in custody they decide to tell the truth as far as their involvement, when they put a face on one of the security guards.  If any of this complicated tale is true, the Kalpoes don't know really know what happened to Joran and Natalee after they left them, and if they were told by Joran, they can't mention "crack house," because they know that the crime cartel would kill them and they would become "disappeared ones" as well.

Next, when Joran finds out that the Kalpoe brothers are now telling the truth about where they dropped Natalee and Joran, he would have scrambled to change his story to that same one as well. At this point they would all now telling the truth as they know it.  It would have even been the truth (although not the whole story) when they told Mickey John that they told their first lie because they figured Natalee would be turning up in a crack house (as other tourist girls have probably done before).

A lack of evidence
At this point, Paulus would have been just as puzzled about this as anyone and, even now, probably wonders like the rest of us, what really did happen. The Kalpoe brothers, and Joran, of course, by now have figured all the missing pieces out quite easily, but they know they can't tell any more than they have. They knew they will be released for lack of evidence, they all would have known how proficient the drug people would have been in getting rid of evidence and so they were confident (and still are) that the search would not produce anything and this will just remain, forever, an unsolved mystery.

What next?
So where should focus of the investigation be now?  If any of this makes sense, it needs to turn to the crack houses (these are really just safe drug houses, very much like the opium dens of an earlier era). Why doesn't the team of private investigators (and undercover police) start paying visits to all of the crack houses (the ones which everyone knows are frequented by the college students on break)? Why don't they investigate the people who run those houses?  Question the crime bosses who control and supply those houses. Of course, they won't do that. It is easier to focus on upstanding, generally law abiding citizens like Joran and his Dad and the Kalpoes.  But, getting behind the scenes into the seamy side of the city? That is not so easy. The US has a Drug Enforcement team present on the island (remember there was an agent who went to the Van der Sloot home with the Twittys) so they are in a position to provide necessary infomation.

One way to start might be to interview all of the other kids on that trip and demand frank answers (like those which they have demanded from Joran and his Dad and the Kalpoes).  They would find out that drugs were plentiful on the trip.   I spoke to a university student today who told me that such drug availability is a large part of the appeal of a Caribbean vacation to college age kids today. We know that the appeal of the environment in Aruba (some of that stemming from misconceptions about the Dutch connections) at the time of the Mountain Brook trip was that it was very tolerant of drugs.

So, the next step is to find out about any drugs Natalee and others may have used. Then trace down where they came from in Aruba. Then find out where the "crack house," which Marty Johns so casually referred to, is located and any other "crack houses" in the area of the Marriott beach. Spread rewards for information around generously.  But, the reality is we will most likely never know. Theories like this are disgarded as being too preposterous.  The focus was only ever on the three guys. If that doesn't change and the investigation doesn't go deeper, then this case is over. There is no body, there is no evidence of a crime. Joran's and the Kalpoe brothers' story is frozen forever.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 12:36:24 PM
BB - not that I believe that story, but if someone can provide my with the address of the Noord Police station - Imight be able to show you something I heard about a long time ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 12, 2008, 12:36:29 PM

"sam redman" sounds like renfro, gielen crap to me.  if sam had stayed around, he could have picked up on the godzilla theory.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: jackb on June 12, 2008, 12:40:51 PM
I would like to repost this writing from early in the case. I have reread it again  after having learned about the apartments or some such similar places, among other things and it seems have more insight by the writer than I originally gave him/her credit for. Please i don't agree with it all, especially the first part(s) ie I don't think Natalee asked to be brought there, so don't flame me-I didn't write it. But isn't it possible that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at these apartments by the Kalpoes, maybe there Natalee was given more drugs, and did infact have a seizure. She may not have died at that time-not then .....Joran left and called his father at 4 am to pick him up. Just thinking out loud.......(my comments in red below)

+++++++++++++

The Crack House Theory
an essay by Sam Redman

The crackhouse theory is based on early statements from the police, and later, from others, that Natalee "may have ended up in a crackhouse" and that she "would show up in a couple of days."

This story (which, of course, as far as any one knows, is entirely fictional) begins at around 2:00 am when Joran and Natalee are dropped off by Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe at the Marriott beach area.   Perhaps, Natalee told them while driving around that she wanted to go to a crack house (possibly one which she had already visited on a previous night). " Hey," maybe she says, "I want to go to that drug house where we went the other night, that was fun."

Some stories have circulated that Natalee had not even spent a single night in her own hotel room, and while that might be explained away other ways (visiting other girls' rooms),  it is probable that she might have been quite an active "party girl" during her stay (lots of other young tourist girls go "wild" on these Aruba trips).  Now, maybe she was looking for one last wild time before departure the next morning.

Crack houses are well known
The crack houses are such an institution in Aruba, that someone like Mickey John (one of the arrested security guards) just mentioned it casually in his interviews after being released from jail,  You may have noticed that no reporters even reacted to his statement with follow up questions saying, "Crack house? Are you kidding, here in Aruba? Where are they?"  In addition, the superintendent of police himself mentioned, very early in the case, that they had "checked several of the crack houses," saying this very odd, very alarming information (at least, to most people from suburban America), in about the same casual style as someone might say, "We checked several of the Starbuck's coffeshops."

The police chief, by his casualness, also demonstrated how commonplace it is for tourists to go there, when he didn't follow up on that by announcing , "We are bringing all of those crack house people in for intensive questioning." He just left it at "checking to see" if she was there (like you might call a coffee shop to see if one of your friends had stopped by earlier). So, we know that crack houses are around and that they are readily accessible to those who know where they are and that they are not a surprise to average guys, like local security guards, or regarded as out of the ordinary by the police.  These are businesses with one requirement the same as any legal business; they must  have customers to stay in business.  So, since they do exist, we can assume that lots of people must know all about them.

Just providing "the ride"
The Kalpoe brothers that evening were, most likely, merely providing transportation. They would have known and respected that Natalee was Joran's project (that is the way guys work it, when one guy has a chance to have a sexual liaison, buddies don't crowd another guy's action) , so they probably didn't participate any further than letting them off there.  However,  they most likely were aware of Joran's and Natalee's intended destination. Guys talk to each other about what they are doing to have fun.

This theory postulates that this would have been a particular crack house, which they, not only, all knew about, but it would have been one which would have to have been within walking distance of that Marriott beach drop-off point. Logic might dictate that if there is such a place within walking distance,  it would be a good place to start the investigation. The Kalpoes (and many other people on the island) could most likely take you right to it.

Just something fun to do
So, possibly Joran took Natalee there.  We also know something Joran knew. He  knew that he had exams later that morning and he might even have thought that this excursion would have even been a good experience for him with those tests coming in a matter of hours, because crack (or even powdered coke) would make him wide awake for his examinations. So it is easy to picture Joran considering the suggestion of a little crack smoking and thinking that it sounded ok to him.   Evidently, rumor has it,  these places also keep other drugs, like the best Amsterdam pot and hash. Plus, it is a "safe" place to do them. Unlike the way a lot of tourists arrive in Aruba believing, drugs are not legal, just plentiful.   Like all drug operations in Aruba these places are said to be run by a ruthless South American crime cartel. While that may not be verifiable, we know they are certainly managed by very unsavory underworld characters, who are not people to be trifled with by the regular citizenry.

At the crack house,  it is easy to assume that both Joran and Natalee would have smoked some crack, perhaps along with some other drugs.  It is also possible that Natalee also would have done some smack (heroin) or maybe some kind of narcotic sedative like Dilaudid (common form of pharmaceutical morphine), because she wanted to be relaxed for the morning flight.

Joran had to leave
Now after a while, it makes sense that Joran would have been saying, "I have to get home and get ready for school."  Maybe then is when he  text messages Deepak about coming to get them.  But, that plan might have changed (maybe while the call was being made) because,  it seems reasonable that  one of the crack house coordinators would have said, "No need for you to have someone go to that trouble, I have my car here. I will be happy to drop you both off." Joran then would have then done the text message back to Deepak that he got a ride.

Assuming all was well
Now, here is where the mystery theory develops and really begins to fit the stories, or alibis, that Joran told.  The crack house man (he could have been just a lower echelon driver) might have dropped off Joran first at Joran's house, telling Joran that  he "will take Natalee on  to the Holiday Inn." That would have sounded fine with Joran, he would have been home and he wouldn't have to be concerned anymore about Natalee's situation.   He would have then text messaged Deepak that he "is home."  So, we can now visualize the car departing with Natalee riding with the crack house guy to what she thinks is her hotel. Joran would have gone to bed, also assuming that Natalee was indeed being dropped off at the Holiday Inn.

At school the next morning
When morning arrived, Joran would have routinely headed off  to school, all the time assuming that everything had worked out ok. He would not have known anything was amiss until later in the day, when there was some of the publicity starting about a missing teen. So, when he is first at school, it is easy to understand him telling several of his buddies that he had sex with that girl they saw him with the night before at the Excelsior Casino and at Carlos 'n Charlies. The story is now falling well into place fitting rumors we have heard.  When the publicity starts, his headmaster calls him in and tells him to stop talking about Natalee, because she has missed her flight.

At this point, Joran would then have contacted the Kalpoe brothers and said, "let's get our stories straight." They all would have known they could not mention anything about the crack house, because of the fear of reprisals from the very dangerous criminal cartel who runs the crack house and, of course, Joran would have had to tell his parents and school officials that he had visited such a place.  If this is the truth, it is easy to see someone wanting to keep it quiet.

Creating the cover story
So, they would then substitute the story that instead of them dropping Joran and Natalee at the Marriott beach area (which they assume everyone would know is close by that crack house), they take the very story of what they assume was the the crack house driver's experience and tell that as their own. At that point, as  far as they know that is most likely not the truth, since Natalee isn't showing up,  but they imagine that, either she went back to that crack house later (after being dropped off) or that she returned to the crack house with the driver.  Either way, they just assume that she will show up later that evening.  It is not hard to believe that  might have had this experience with other tourist girls a time or two (even the police said later that they know this does happen).

Telling the first version
At 1:00 AM (now Tuesday) a group of Alabama men (parents of other students) along with Jug and Beth Twitty and with a couple of Aruba cops  (and peculiarly, also a United States DEA agent, who they say just happened to be at the hotel) show up at Joran's house.  This is the first time Paulus has heard anything about it.  The people are saying, "My daughter missed her flight and we know that Joran was the last person seen with her."  They are demanding, " Where is my daughter?" After Joran shows up,  Joran tells his "dropped her off at the Holiday Inn story." Plus, a local who was there (he owns a cellphone company), Charles Croes, tells in a tv interview that Joran volunteers to help anyway he can.   Unfortunately, the Alabama men start to get loud and boisterous and demand to know where Natalee is.  They at this point most likely think that Natalee and Joran are merely having a romantic tryst and that Natalee is just staying over and they are concerned about her throwing away her career plans for a summer fling.  Paulus is completely surprised and shocked by their behavior and so taken aback that this is the reason he tells his son to "say nothing."  He doesn't know what his son has done, but he wants to find out and advise him later after everyone has gone.  Of course, even in private, Joran would have still told Paulus the same "dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn" story, earlier concocted with the Kalpoe brothers. .  Paulus would have been satisfied with that, but being an attorney, he would have been cautious in the light of the now rampaging Twittys and therefore advised his son and the Kalpoes to keep a low profile since a girl was missing and that is what a lawyer would tell anyone.

Possibly a horrific irony
Here is could have been a horribly ironic circumstance. When the Alabama group showed up with the police at Joran's house, it is possible that Natalee was still alive back at the crack house, maybe still not yet out of her a drugged state, and the drug guys were patiently waiting for her to come down enough to just be straight enough to return to her hotel.  From the way people talked,  a two day come down was not that uncommon.  A worse case scenario would have been that she might have been being used for the pleasure of visiting drug cartel bosses (although this would be not very plausible).  In either situation, after she was "straight,"  they would have gotten her out of there alive (probably giving her a ride to the hotel).  This was a scene that had repeated often (letting them sleep it off)  with many of these young tourist girls.

But now, when all the media starting paying attention and the tiny island of Aruba was swarming with cameras they knew they could not want their drug operation to be exposed.  So, they might have concluded that Natalee had to disappear. Experienced at this, they would have then just killed her. But, there are many other variations of might have happened at the drug house as, for example, an accidental drug overdose, which occured after Joran left. In this explanation, when Joran was ready to go, Natalee couldn't, because she was just too "wasted,"
so, the drug employess might have given only Joran a ride home with Natalee staying behind, sleeping away in a comfortable bed. They might have fully intended that they would take Natalee to her hotel after she came down, but then she perhaps died accidently, maybe just not waking up. my feeling is that here Joran likely left and called his father to pick him up. Did he cut through the pond area and lose his shoe. If he had taken Natalee to such a place and she had a seizure and her condition deteriorated.....I doubt he would have carried her out.

Left with a body I think it was likely the next night that Sloots called Koen and together they disposed of Natalee
In either event, they would have been left with a body and most likely would have disposed of the body 100 miles or more out to sea, where they knew she would never be found (they are professionals at this).  For decades have known how to make bodies disappear.  Next, it seems logical that the crime cartel would have dismantled that crack house, removing all evidence. It would even make sense that someone, who would not attract attention, is now living at that location, perhaps a nice family with several kids and a few dogs.


A story changes
How does the story change? When Kalpoe brothers are in custody they decide to tell the truth as far as their involvement, when they put a face on one of the security guards.  If any of this complicated tale is true, the Kalpoes don't know really know what happened to Joran and Natalee after they left them, and if they were told by Joran, they can't mention "crack house," because they know that the crime cartel would kill them and they would become "disappeared ones" as well.

Next, when Joran finds out that the Kalpoe brothers are now telling the truth about where they dropped Natalee and Joran, he would have scrambled to change his story to that same one as well. At this point they would all now telling the truth as they know it.  It would have even been the truth (although not the whole story) when they told Mickey John that they told their first lie because they figured Natalee would be turning up in a crack house (as other tourist girls have probably done before).

A lack of evidence
At this point, Paulus would have been just as puzzled about this as anyone and, even now, probably wonders like the rest of us, what really did happen. The Kalpoe brothers, and Joran, of course, by now have figured all the missing pieces out quite easily, but they know they can't tell any more than they have. They knew they will be released for lack of evidence, they all would have known how proficient the drug people would have been in getting rid of evidence and so they were confident (and still are) that the search would not produce anything and this will just remain, forever, an unsolved mystery.

What next?
So where should focus of the investigation be now?  If any of this makes sense, it needs to turn to the crack houses (these are really just safe drug houses, very much like the opium dens of an earlier era). Why doesn't the team of private investigators (and undercover police) start paying visits to all of the crack houses (the ones which everyone knows are frequented by the college students on break)? Why don't they investigate the people who run those houses?  Question the crime bosses who control and supply those houses. Of course, they won't do that. It is easier to focus on upstanding, generally law abiding citizens like Joran and his Dad and the Kalpoes.  But, getting behind the scenes into the seamy side of the city? That is not so easy. The US has a Drug Enforcement team present on the island (remember there was an agent who went to the Van der Sloot home with the Twittys) so they are in a position to provide necessary infomation.

One way to start might be to interview all of the other kids on that trip and demand frank answers (like those which they have demanded from Joran and his Dad and the Kalpoes).  They would find out that drugs were plentiful on the trip.   I spoke to a university student today who told me that such drug availability is a large part of the appeal of a Caribbean vacation to college age kids today. We know that the appeal of the environment in Aruba (some of that stemming from misconceptions about the Dutch connections) at the time of the Mountain Brook trip was that it was very tolerant of drugs.

So, the next step is to find out about any drugs Natalee and others may have used. Then trace down where they came from in Aruba. Then find out where the "crack house," which Marty Johns so casually referred to, is located and any other "crack houses" in the area of the Marriott beach. Spread rewards for information around generously.  But, the reality is we will most likely never know. Theories like this are disgarded as being too preposterous.  The focus was only ever on the three guys. If that doesn't change and the investigation doesn't go deeper, then this case is over. There is no body, there is no evidence of a crime. Joran's and the Kalpoe brothers' story is frozen forever.

There is more evidence that there is evidence that was destroyed by ALE and lies by Palus as to his being with NH and Joran, than there is not.  More evidence pointing to blood evidence than there is not.  Lies by officials, father, son and friends.  Had this been a simple crack overdose, the case would have been cleared long ago and blamed on this victim (A) student's lifestyle.  The reason there is no body is that there is evidence most likely of trauma, and there was evidence (DNA) possibly by more than one perpetrator.  No one has ever come forward to claim the reward, and even a crackhead would want the money to support their habit and run away to somewhere else.  No, that does not was.  To many lies and too much evidence to the contrary.   Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 12:42:29 PM
BB - not that I believe that story, but if someone can provide my with the address of the Noord Police station - Imight be able to show you something I heard about a long time ago.

Sorry [bRob[/b] don't know the address, but I can look.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 12:43:19 PM
BB - not that I believe that story, but if someone can provide my with the address of the Noord Police station - Imight be able to show you something I heard about a long time ago.

Sorry [bRob[/b] don't know the address, but I can look.

I'm trying to find it also


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 12:44:41 PM

"sam redman" sounds like renfro, gielen crap to me.  if sam had stayed around, he could have picked up on the godzilla theory.
dennisintn

I believe Roger (Scrux) is the author.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 12:47:29 PM
this is the address from the KPA site - but it's not appearing on google earth

58 shaba noord aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 12, 2008, 12:48:25 PM

"sam redman" sounds like renfro, gielen crap to me.  if sam had stayed around, he could have picked up on the godzilla theory.
dennisintn

I believe Roger (Scrux) is the author.

it's quite understandable that he wouldn't print such fantasies under his own handle.  i wouldn't want to be associated with it either.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 12:53:19 PM
here Pearl leaves a bucket full of comments o the KPA site

Give 'em hell Pearl!!!

http://users3.smartgb.com/g/g.php?a=s&i=g33-00066-58


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 12:55:48 PM
jackb wrote;
Quote
There is more evidence that there is evidence that was destroyed by ALE and lies by Palus as to his being with NH and Joran, than there is not.  More evidence pointing to blood evidence than there is not.  Lies by officials, father, son and friends.  Had this been a simple crack overdose, the case would have been cleared long ago and blamed on this victim (A) student's lifestyle.  The reason there is no body is that there is evidence most likely of trauma, and there was evidence (DNA) possibly by more than one perpetrator.  No one has ever come forward to claim the reward, and even a crackhead would want the money to support their habit and run away to somewhere else.  No, that does not was.  To many lies and too much evidence to the contrary.   Jackb

I agree with part of what you have written. There has been much coverup and yes, destruction of evidence( I firmly believe there was blood in Deepaks car). Again I am not the writer, and I also think the crime was more than just " a simple overdose" , so if you didn't read the opening paragraph I wrote mentioning the apartments then look again. Could be Joran needed a place to bring her after she started to go into distress. I have thought this might have been LVR's but it is possible it could have been the apartments. Crack house theories of varying degree and merit have been talked about and searched by the family since the first days of Natalees disappearance. Recently we have heard about matty apartments so maybe just maybe such a place was actually utilized. I think it was CAPS among others who mentioned such a place.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 12:56:59 PM
I got the address by calling the polis station, and I hate to say this, but the guy that answered the phone was a nice as could be..

now I'll see if this address works


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
I got the address by calling the polis station, and I hate to say this, but the guy that answered the phone was a nice as could be..

now I'll see if this address works

alrigghhhtty then - this is not working either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 12, 2008, 01:12:44 PM
I got the address by calling the polis station, and I hate to say this, but the guy that answered the phone was a nice as could be..

now I'll see if this address works

alrigghhhtty then - this is not working either.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

the polis station is in stealth mode.  they're all undercover there.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 01:13:26 PM
I got the address by calling the polis station, and I hate to say this, but the guy that answered the phone was a nice as could be..

now I'll see if this address works

LOL , it is confusing because from this sentence it sounds like a station in shaba and one in Noord?
>>>SNIP
Satish at 15:30 from the police station in Shaba and Deepak at 16:30 from the one in Noord.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 12, 2008, 01:18:29 PM
Hi, does anyone know where I can find the original post of Karen Godessoff's map?  And did anyone ever try to contact her???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 12, 2008, 01:20:33 PM
(http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1900/charlescroeskioskatairpej5.jpg)
Charles Croes business - kiosk at airport

Digicel is the telecommunications server is all.
You rent the phone from Charles Croes, but you use Digicel to make the call.

He is in partnership with De Palm Tours

Kermmie,
what kind of a freak asks the mother of a missing and likely murdered girl - how's your sex life?

I say he gets the Caligula decapitation machine too.

it's an island of deviates and they don't even recognize it - that's the sad part of this whole thing. I'm not trying to put my beliefs on anyone, but good golly, at some point you have to look at what the island has become, and it's not far from being labeled the Caribbean's Sodom and Gomorrah. Actually they may have passed that point some time ago.

that comment by Croes has to be the most heartless of all.

I completely agree with you Rob.
Hopefully justice is coming soon.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 01:44:02 PM
Hi, does anyone know where I can find the original post of Karen Godessoff's map?  And did anyone ever try to contact her???

I have no idea if anyone contacted her..

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Diario05102008.jpg


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 01:46:46 PM
Rob....get the address of the nearest business to the police station...then earth google that...station should be in it too...
Des


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blonde on June 12, 2008, 01:51:42 PM
Rob and all...tossing out an mind fart for the Billboard idea...imagine this as you're driving down the freeway....

billboard with this on it:

THINKING OF A  VACATION?
*across the top*

CANCUN *or, any vacation spot*...the large photo, across the whole board...people having a huge buffet dinner party on the beach...everyone is smiling, happy..

*botton half of billboard*

ARUBA *large photo of Natalee in what she was wearlng last on Aruba with caption...still missing...case still not solved...

*then at very bottom* in giant letters...

YOUR CHOICE-YOU DECIDE WHERE TO SPEND YOUR VACATION MONEY.



Hey ya'll!

Just cutting mind wind with Dest!

How about...

Your vacation destination could be a life or death decision.


Your vacation destination could be a life or death decision. Yes this so true


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 12, 2008, 01:54:34 PM
KLAAS...2 bananas in your basket...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 12, 2008, 01:57:02 PM
Thanks *******!!

Your Welcome! :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 12, 2008, 01:57:56 PM
Rob....get the address of the nearest business to the police station...then earth google that...station should be in it too...
Des


Remember when Greta & Beth last visited the police station, it had moved...was that the Noord station?  I'm thinking yes and both buildings may show up....not sure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 02:10:28 PM
I got the address by calling the polis station, and I hate to say this, but the guy that answered the phone was a nice as could be..

now I'll see if this address works

LOL , it is confusing because from this sentence it sounds like a station in shaba and one in Noord?
>>>SNIP
Satish at 15:30 from the police station in Shaba and Deepak at 16:30 from the one in Noord.

 

the ALE guy told my 22 Shaba

the problem with Aruba is that they do not have zip codes to punch into Earth Google so it makes it hard to find the house or building you are searching for.

they would say it like this Shaba 22 Noord Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 02:16:05 PM
I got the address by calling the polis station, and I hate to say this, but the guy that answered the phone was a nice as could be..

now I'll see if this address works

LOL , it is confusing because from this sentence it sounds like a station in shaba and one in Noord?
>>>SNIP
Satish at 15:30 from the police station in Shaba and Deepak at 16:30 from the one in Noord.

 

the ALE guy told my 22 Shaba

the problem with Aruba is that they do not have zip codes to punch into Earth Google so it makes it hard to find the house or building you are searching for.

they would say it like this Shaba 22 Noord Aruba

Rob that snip i posted is what leads me to think they were/are 2. It was from a SM front page article and the sentence read....

Satish at 15:30 from the police station in Shaba and Deepak at 16:30 from the one in Noord.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 02:31:21 PM
I imagine you already have this list Rob?

http://www.ipa-aruba.org/index.html



Police Station D-1 Oranjestad
   582-4000
Police Station D-2 Noord
   587-0009   Local Free: 107
Police Station D-3 St.Nicolas
   584-5000
Police Station D-4 (HQ)
   527-2900   Local Free: 105
Beach Unit/Visibility Team D-2
   586-3003
Maritime Police
   588-1896
Police Emergency Dispatcher
   100
General Emergency
   911


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 12, 2008, 02:52:27 PM
In Joran's one-handed nudie shot, he looks like he has XXY syndrome, Klinefelter's Syndrome.  He sports many of the characteristics of the syndrome.  I've been saying this since Nov 2005 that he has this XXY, but really had no proof until this picture surfaced.  No wonder he is an angry person.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
BB - anyway I'm was told before Natalee ever went to Aruba and any of us even thought this was all going to occur (like a few years before) that there was a drug house around the corner from the Noord Station.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 03:05:31 PM
In Joran's one-handed nudie shot, he looks like he has XXY syndrome, Klinefelter's Syndrome.  He sports many of the characteristics of the syndrome.  I've been saying this since Nov 2005 that he has this XXY, but really had no proof until this picture surfaced.  No wonder he is an angry person.

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Hi Sunfreak - I'm going to ask Dugga why you are getting those Javascript:void errors.  Has something to do with the emoticons.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 03:09:33 PM
In Joran's one-handed nudie shot, he looks like he has XXY syndrome, Klinefelter's Syndrome.  He sports many of the characteristics of the syndrome.  I've been saying this since Nov 2005 that he has this XXY, but really had no proof until this picture surfaced.  No wonder he is an angry person.

javascript:void(0);
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Sunfreak one never knows......maybe that is why he is sporting all the facial hair lately? Hormone treatment?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 03:10:08 PM
BB - anyway I'm was told before Natalee ever went to Aruba and any of us even thought this was all going to occur (like a few years before) that there was a drug house around the corner from the Noord Station.

Rob i would totally believe it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 03:12:00 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two


http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 03:17:01 PM
24ora picked up the Brinkman/corruption story:

http://www.24ora.com/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/24oraBrinkman061208.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Peaches on June 12, 2008, 03:21:53 PM
I'm all caught up now. 

I don't believe the newspaper really needed a BOX that big to cover what little is going on underneath. 

Seems like a ficus leaf would've been plenty.

I wonder if Sunfreak plans to expound on Klinefelter's Syndrome for the rest of us.  I always thought he looked like he had something wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 03:25:45 PM
I'm all caught up now. 

I don't believe the newspaper really needed a BOX that big to cover what little is going on underneath. 

Seems like a ficus leaf would've been plenty.

I wonder if Sunfreak plans to expound on Klinefelter's Syndrome for the rest of us.  I always thought he looked like he had something wrong.


Here's a start

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter's_syndrome

Here's some more but doesn't sound like the "sporter" to me:

http://www.aurorahealthcare.org/yourhealth/healthgate/getcontent.asp?URLhealthgate=11722.html

Symptoms
Although the chromosome variation XXY occurs in approximately 1 out of 1,000 live male births, many men with it do not develop KS.

When KS does develop, it usually goes undetected until puberty and sometimes much later. It may present during fetal development as an unexpected finding on an amniocentesis , in childhood as learning problems, in adolescence as excessive breast development, or in adult life as infertility concerns. Babies born with KS often have a smaller birth weight and slower muscle and motor development. Characteristics may include:

Tallness with extra long arms and legs
Abnormal body proportions (long legs, short trunk)
Enlarged breasts
Lack of facial and body hair
Small firm testes
Small penis
Lack of ability to produce sperm
Diminished sex drive
Sexual dysfunction
Learning disabilities
Personality impairment

The most common findings in males with Klinefelter syndrome are sterility, breast development, incomplete masculine body, and social and/or school learning problems.

Although their IQ is normal to borderline, most people with KS also have problems with speech and language. They often learn to speak later than other children do, and learning to read and write may be challenging. Eventually, individuals with KS learn to speak normally but continue to have some difficulty with language throughout their lives. If these difficulties are not treated, social and/or school learning problems arise.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 12, 2008, 03:28:51 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two


http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

lol, wonder why they wasted the ink on the box.  a "period" would have been enough.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Pita on June 12, 2008, 03:28:59 PM

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Lul_grkopie.jpg?t=1213214073)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/Blondeonahd/Joran/JoranKoen.jpg)

To compair hair on  hands


Another comparison

(http://i31.tinypic.com/2vsp9g4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 03:30:27 PM
yep - this about sums it up

++++++++++++++

Klinefelter Syndrome
(KS)

by Laurie Rosenblum, MPH
Definition

Klinefelter syndrome (KS) is a disorder that occurs in some men who have more than one X chromosome (XXY). Virtually every cell in the body contains chromosomes, which carry the genes that determine many of our physical, intellectual, and emotional characteristics.

Klinefelter's Syndrome
Nucleus factsheet image

Copyright © 2005 Nucleus Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. www.nucleusinc.com

Causes

Males usually inherit a single X chromosome from their mother and a single Y chromosome from their father. Males with KS get at least one extra X chromosome from either their mother or their father. In most cases, there is only one extra chromosome.

The extra X chromosome is caused by a biological accident. Normally, an egg has one X chromosome and a sperm has one X or one Y chromosome. Occasionally, an egg may end up with two X chromosomes or a sperm may have both an X and a Y chromosome. When these abnormal eggs are fertilized by a normal sperm, or the abnormal sperm fertilizes a normal egg, the result is a male with two X chromosomes and one Y chromosome (XXY).
Risk Factors

A risk factor is something that increases your chance of getting a disease or condition. Women over age 35 have a slightly increased chance of having a child with KS. There are no other known risk factors for this disorder.
Symptoms

Although the chromosome variation XXY occurs in approximately 1 out of 1,000 live male births, many men with it do not develop KS.

When KS does develop, it usually goes undetected until puberty and sometimes much later. It may present during fetal development as an unexpected finding on an amniocentesis , in childhood as learning problems, in adolescence as excessive breast development, or in adult life as infertility concerns. Babies born with KS often have a smaller birth weight and slower muscle and motor development. Characteristics may include:

    * Tallness with extra long arms and legs
    * Abnormal body proportions (long legs, short trunk)
    * Enlarged breasts
    * Lack of facial and body hair
    * Small firm testes
    * Small penis
    * Lack of ability to produce sperm
    * Diminished sex drive
    * Sexual dysfunction
    * Learning disabilities
    * Personality impairment

The most common findings in males with Klinefelter syndrome are sterility, breast development, incomplete masculine body, and social and/or school learning problems.

Although their IQ is normal to borderline, most people with KS also have problems with speech and language. They often learn to speak later than other children do, and learning to read and write may be challenging. Eventually, individuals with KS learn to speak normally but continue to have some difficulty with language throughout their lives. If these difficulties are not treated, social and/or school learning problems arise.

Individuals with KS also have an increased risk of:

    * Diabetes
    * Breast cancer
    * Lung cancer
    * Cardiovascular disease
    * Lung disease
    * Osteoporosis

Diagnosis

Diagnosis of the XXY chromosome variation is made with a test called a karyotype, which examines all 23 pairs of chromosomes. In the case of KS, there are usually 47 chromosomes rather than the normal 46.

Many men with XXY live their whole lives without knowing they have an extra chromosome. If they do get diagnosed, it is most likely at one of the following times:

    * Before birth, if amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling (CVS) is done—These tests may be done if there is a family history of genetic problems, the pregnant woman is over age 35, or there are other medical concerns.
    * Babies or toddlers with undescended testicles or a very small penis
    * Early childhood, when a boy has trouble learning to talk, read, and write
    * Teenage years, if the breasts grow more than usual and puberty fails to develop normally in other ways
    * Adulthood, during testing for infertility

Treatment

Treatment of KS includes:
Testosterone

The main treatment is testosterone. When boys with KS are 10-12 years old, their hormone levels are checked yearly. If their testosterone levels are low, then treatment with testosterone may be helpful. Men diagnosed in adulthood may also benefit from taking the hormone, as well. However, testosterone cannot reverse infertility.

Testosterone is most often given through regular shots in the form of depotestosterone. The benefits of this treatment include:

    * Increased strength
    * More muscular, male appearance
    * Growth of facial and body hair
    * Better self-esteem
    * Modulation of mood
    * Increased energy
    * Increased ability to concentrate
    * Greater sex drive

Speech and Language Therapy

Treatment of speech and language difficulties should begin in early childhood to avoid social and school learning problems. Treatment may involve:

    * Speech therapy
    * Special education services
    * Extra support and help with learning from parents and teachers
    * Social skills training and psychological counseling to cope with any negative effects of the speech and language problems

Prevention

Currently, there are no known ways of preventing KS.

RESOURCES:

Klinefelter Syndrome and Associates
http://www.genetic.org

National Institute of Child Health & Human Development
http://www.nichd.nih.gov

CANANDIAN RESOURCES:

Canadian Psychiatric Association
http://www.cpa-apc.org

Canadian Psychological Association
http://www.cpa.ca/cpasite/home.asp

References:

Klinefelter Syndrome and Associates website. Available at: http://www.genetic.org .

Larsen PR. Williams Textbook of Endocrinology. 10th ed. Saunders; 2003.

National Institute of Child Health & Human Development website. Available at: http://www.nichd.nih.gov .

Last reviewed January 2007 by Rosalyn Carson-Dewitt, MD

Please be aware that this information is provided to supplement the care provided by your physician. It is neither intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. CALL YOUR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER IMMEDIATELY IF YOU THINK YOU MAY HAVE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider prior to starting any new treatment or with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.

Copyright © 2007 EBSCO Publishing All rights reserved.

http://tinyurl.com/4y7le5


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Peaches on June 12, 2008, 03:40:03 PM
Thank you Klaas and Rob for enlightening the masses re Klinefelter's Syndrome. 

Interesting.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 03:40:41 PM
I borrowed the image on the right from Carpe  ::MonkeyHaHa:: j4n

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/joranisfuckedup1.png)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Sue on June 12, 2008, 03:46:04 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two


http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am sitting here shaking my head... Has this kid totally lost his mind or what?? 
Have his parents disowned him yet??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: truthseeker2 on June 12, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Posted by Writergal at RU:

Writergal wrote:

Joran ought to be grateful the hometown paper put a box over it--makes it look as if there's something behind Door Number Two


http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/2990/30/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/460f62c4371f73ddb23e581af52f9e4d.jpg)

ROFLMAO  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am sitting here shaking my head... Has this kid totally lost his mind or what?? 
Have his parents disowned him yet??

yeah, he must have lost his mind.  I wonder if he's wearing a pair of K-Swiss shoes in that pic??? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: SS on June 12, 2008, 04:50:34 PM
In Joran's one-handed nudie shot, he looks like he has XXY syndrome, Klinefelter's Syndrome.  He sports many of the characteristics of the syndrome.  I've been saying this since Nov 2005 that he has this XXY, but really had no proof until this picture surfaced.  No wonder he is an angry person.

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Sunfreak, you are really observant and you just might be right on track, especially considering his height.  Most people have never heard of Klinefelter's Syndrome, yet our prisons are full of men diagnosed with the syndrome.  These guys can be very aggressive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 05:00:08 PM
(http://www.newser.com/image/72407-3.image)

Face looks the same as in the nude.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 12, 2008, 05:07:21 PM
I'm all caught up now. 

I don't believe the newspaper really needed a BOX that big to cover what little is going on underneath. 

Seems like a ficus leaf would've been plenty.

I wonder if Sunfreak plans to expound on Klinefelter's Syndrome for the rest of us.  I always thought he looked like he had something wrong.


roflmao!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Peaches on June 12, 2008, 05:15:47 PM
Thank you Rob.  Now I have to go find the You Tube of Special Ed doing the "You've got Mail" routine. 

LMAO every time!

Support LDSTLOU, our racer!  Thread in the Lounge.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: mrskub on June 12, 2008, 05:18:26 PM
This is an article on Parenting Teens from About.com. It's from February, but I just found it and loved it so I wanted to share it with you folks.

It looks like word is spreading just as we'd like it to.

Spring Break for Teens in Aruba, I Don’t Think So
Thursday February 7, 2008
After years of waiting, the parents of Natalee Holloway get to hear what happen to their daughter on a video out of the mouth of Joran van der Sloot, the young man who was the last to see Natalee alive. It seems, from the video, that he knew all along what happened to Natalee. Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother, said on Greta Van Susteren’s show last night, she felt vindicated after seeing the tape. Guess the authorities in Aruba should have a dose of her mother’s intuition, since they were unable to do anything about this.

It is hard enough to allow/watch your teen or young adult travel. They are bound to make some mistakes and trouble can find them. But to not be able to trust the country’s authorities? I know you feel the same way I do when I say: Not this parent – not my kid! I know a lot of teens who like to travel, they’ve been to Europe and a couple are planning another trip. With the competitiveness of the travel industry, you have to wonder what Aruba is thinking? If your teen wants to go somewhere fun, beautiful and beachy this year for spring break, it’s my humble opinion you should cross Aruba off his/her list. I feel it's an issue of trust, I trust Aruba the least because of how the investigation was handled. What do you think?


http://parentingteens.about.com/b/2008/02/07/spring-break-for-teens-in-aruba-i-dont-think-so.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Auntiem on June 12, 2008, 05:31:00 PM
   I apologize if I am coming off as a "prude"....but, to me, this Forum is dedicated to a lovely young lady and to repeatedly open to that disgusting, tasteless magazine cover of "he who shall remain nameless, by me, is extremely disrespectful, nausiating, and not appreciated by this reader!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 12, 2008, 05:39:42 PM
I did not see this posted already, please delete if it is...

Quote
June 12th, 2008
Tourism Police Station Opened
By Viraj Perpall

Seeking to prevent crime from destroying the nation’s number one industry, tourism and police officials on Wednesday opened the Tourism Police Station on Bay Street.

Minister of Tourism Neko Grant said the tourism industry is indeed threatened by crime.

He said it is imperative that steps be taken to secure the welfare of Bahamians and tourists alike.

"Tourism is a good business for us, but we should be careful to guard and protect [it]. Believe me there would be no tourism business for us if we do not have proper security in our country," Mr. Grant said.

The tourism minister said that security is linked to visitor arrivals as studies have shown that security ranks high on the list of requirements for tourists when considering a destination to vacation in.

"Where crime rates soar out of control, those countries experience a significant falloff in tourism," Mr. Grant said.

He said The Bahamas must not allow itself to become complacent in protecting those who contribute to the success of its economy.

"This is why this station has such an awesome task," Mr. Grant said.

He said that although all police officers have the heavy task of keeping the peace in society, officers attached to the Tourism Police Station will have additional responsibilities as they will have to pay special attention to the safety of people who are not citizens of The Bahamas.

"We hate to see crime perpetrated against anyone, visitors or residents, but when a visitor is robbed or attacked some peculiar situations arise," Mr. Grant said.

He added that the world is a global village and no nation can exist in isolation.

Mr. Grant said when a crime is perpetrated against a visitor from another country it can interfere with the diplomatic relations between both nations.

"We can see quite vividly through the example of Natalie Hollaway In Aruba," he said.

Recently, an armed robber in the Cable Beach area shot John Capser, a New Jersey policeman, in the chest, according to police.

This incident came days after Khodee Davis, 16, was stabbed to death on Cabbage Beach on Paradise Island.

Speaking at the opening of the Tourism Police Station, Acting Commissioner of Police Reginald Ferguson said only the most up-to-date equipment will be used as Bay Street is a priority for law enforcement officials and must be protected.

"Police on Bay Street will be performing their duties using 21st Century methods. Officers will be able to police and patrol Bay Street knowing exactly where the hot zones are at any time of the day or night," he said.

Mr. Ferguson said that the use of Closed Circuit Television will ensure that officers approach situations with advanced knowledge of what is going on in specific areas.

He added that the use of technology will help officers to use what he calls "smart" policing.

Minster of National Security Tommy Turnquest said the opening of the Tourism Police Station is one of many initiatives the government plans to introduce to address crime.

"I do wish to inform the public that there are strategies in place to deal with the crime situation and also to make Bahamians begin to feel safe," Minister Turnquest said.
(snip)
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=17372

Interesting...




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2008, 05:48:50 PM
My opinion only:
EVERYTHING about this case is nauseating, and in fact IS disgusting. Simply ignoring the things that show up in the press (while more bearable to many) would not serve our cause very well. When Joran "exposes" (sorry) his true nature to the world -- we cannot ignore it. In fact, it is even more necessary to over sensationalize it so that even more people in the general public are made aware just how depraved these people are. It's been 3 long years -- playing "nice" hasn't worked.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 05:51:42 PM
Rob

If you're looking for the Noord station, remember you want the one from 2005.  They've moved.

Here is directions for another place, that includes the station.  Thought you might be able to follow the road..across the corner from St. Ann church and CPV (whatever that is):


from the airport, turn left on the main road (LG Smith blvd). take that all the way through oranjestad. there are a couple of traffic circles that can confuse you, but continue straight. stay straight on LG Smith (our directions said to turn towards the high rise area). there was a restaurant named the grand victoria chinese buffett (warning: do not eat there!)on the right-turn there. i think there might be a sign that says "noord." CPV is on the left past the gas station. the neon sign is attached directly to the wall and is not easy to see from the road. there is an intersection just past CPV and the police station is on that corner.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 05:58:45 PM
thank you Buckeye


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 06:07:18 PM
Buckeye - this is the new station, image from Greta.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/newpolicestation1.jpg)

if you look in the background you will see what looks like a church tower. Is that the Santa Ana church? if it is, I can probably figger out where both stations are.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 12, 2008, 06:11:34 PM
Buckeye - this is the new station, image from Greta.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/newpolicestation1.jpg)

if you look in the background you will see what looks like a church tower. Is that the Santa Ana church? if it is, I can probably figger out where both stations are.

Santa Ana Church

(http://thump01.pbase.com/t1/03/310803/4/92710087.zS0FZFc2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 06:29:36 PM
Buckeye - this is the new station, image from Greta.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/newpolicestation1.jpg)

if you look in the background you will see what looks like a church tower. Is that the Santa Ana church? if it is, I can probably figger out where both stations are.


No Rob...that's the one you want.  That was the Noord station in 2005, now The Beach Patrol location ...supposedly...

CPV is carib Palm Village.  I can find that on regular map.  4 way corner is CPV, Santa Ana Church, Noord Station and parking lot.  Think the cemetery is right by Santa Ana...IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 06:40:17 PM
OK here is the area where I remember the church being because I remember this big open lot.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH2.jpg)

area enlarged

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH4.jpg)

now where the heck is the church? did they move that too?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

+++++++++

Buckeye are you sure that the polis station from 2005? I got that from Greta's blog from when she and Beth went to Aruba in October 07... least I think that was the time period.

BT thanks for the church image.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 06:48:57 PM
Rob

Remember, they got harassed because they went to the old Noord station, which they had been to before....no police around....then told they built a new station and that one was used by the beach patrol....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 12, 2008, 06:57:07 PM
Rob try this link: http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml

Santa Ana is located at D-3


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 12, 2008, 06:58:07 PM
I did not see this posted already, please delete if it is...

Quote
June 12th, 2008
Tourism Police Station Opened
By Viraj Perpall

Seeking to prevent crime from destroying the nation’s number one industry, tourism and police officials on Wednesday opened the Tourism Police Station on Bay Street.

Minister of Tourism Neko Grant said the tourism industry is indeed threatened by crime.

He said it is imperative that steps be taken to secure the welfare of Bahamians and tourists alike.

"Tourism is a good business for us, but we should be careful to guard and protect [it]. Believe me there would be no tourism business for us if we do not have proper security in our country," Mr. Grant said.

The tourism minister said that security is linked to visitor arrivals as studies have shown that security ranks high on the list of requirements for tourists when considering a destination to vacation in.

"Where crime rates soar out of control, those countries experience a significant falloff in tourism," Mr. Grant said.

He said The Bahamas must not allow itself to become complacent in protecting those who contribute to the success of its economy.

"This is why this station has such an awesome task," Mr. Grant said.

He said that although all police officers have the heavy task of keeping the peace in society, officers attached to the Tourism Police Station will have additional responsibilities as they will have to pay special attention to the safety of people who are not citizens of The Bahamas.

"We hate to see crime perpetrated against anyone, visitors or residents, but when a visitor is robbed or attacked some peculiar situations arise," Mr. Grant said.

He added that the world is a global village and no nation can exist in isolation.

Mr. Grant said when a crime is perpetrated against a visitor from another country it can interfere with the diplomatic relations between both nations.

"We can see quite vividly through the example of Natalie Hollaway In Aruba," he said.

Recently, an armed robber in the Cable Beach area shot John Capser, a New Jersey policeman, in the chest, according to police.

This incident came days after Khodee Davis, 16, was stabbed to death on Cabbage Beach on Paradise Island.

Speaking at the opening of the Tourism Police Station, Acting Commissioner of Police Reginald Ferguson said only the most up-to-date equipment will be used as Bay Street is a priority for law enforcement officials and must be protected.

"Police on Bay Street will be performing their duties using 21st Century methods. Officers will be able to police and patrol Bay Street knowing exactly where the hot zones are at any time of the day or night," he said.

Mr. Ferguson said that the use of Closed Circuit Television will ensure that officers approach situations with advanced knowledge of what is going on in specific areas.

He added that the use of technology will help officers to use what he calls "smart" policing.

Minster of National Security Tommy Turnquest said the opening of the Tourism Police Station is one of many initiatives the government plans to introduce to address crime.

"I do wish to inform the public that there are strategies in place to deal with the crime situation and also to make Bahamians begin to feel safe," Minister Turnquest said.
(snip)
http://www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=17372

Interesting...



Great post WG.Someone needs to send this to aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 06:58:23 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH2.jpg)

This new pin is the Caribbean Palm Beach  - I think it was Pita that gave us the info on this place - 43 Noord?

Buckeye, yes I do remember that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 06:59:09 PM
Rob

Look for #1 green on this map to get the cross roads.

http://www.hemispheresmagazine.com/3pd/three/_maps/arubamap.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 12, 2008, 07:09:08 PM
BB - not that I believe that story, but if someone can provide my with the address of the Noord Police station - Imight be able to show you something I heard about a long time ago.

CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DEPT:
Noord Police Precinct
Shaba #22 Noord, Aruba
Alarm number 107
297-587-0009
fax: 297-587-0051



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Pita on June 12, 2008, 07:19:35 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/CARIBBEANPALMBEACH2.jpg)

This new pin is the Caribbean Palm Beach  - I think it was Pita that gave us the info on this place - 43 Noord?

Buckeye, yes I do remember that.

Yes, Caribbean Palm Village    43-E Noord


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: always 1 on June 12, 2008, 07:27:58 PM
Kermit, while youre here, can you tell me when that map by karen was put in the Diaro paper??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 07:28:32 PM
The best I can tell this is where the church is - does this look right to anyone?

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH6.jpg)

Buckeye, I used your map and followed the road past the circle in the road and went two more streets - this is where you end up.

I'm not at all sure - the steeple is not showing up even with the 3-D buildings feature on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 12, 2008, 07:34:30 PM
My opinion only:
EVERYTHING about this case is nauseating, and in fact IS disgusting. Simply ignoring the things that show up in the press (while more bearable to many) would not serve our cause very well. When Joran "exposes" (sorry) his true nature to the world -- we cannot ignore it. In fact, it is even more necessary to over sensationalize it so that even more people in the general public are made aware just how depraved these people are. It's been 3 long years -- playing "nice" hasn't worked.
I agree wreck.

By showing Joran's true colors only proves to the world that we were right.  This picture needed to be shown as disgusting as it is.

Does anyone really think the Sloot's are bothered by his behavior.  After covering up a murder in their own home does anyone really think they care that their psycho son dropped his draws.

I will make a prediction right now and say that the Sloots aren't long for the wear on that island.  They will be packing up and returning to the Netherlands or some other country where their family is.  They stayed long enough for their second child to graduate high school and see him off to college.

P.S.  They will keep the house they are living in on Aruba and board it up.  They won't rent it and it will be watched.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 07:44:09 PM
Rob

Last try.  I found something that looks like church ? cemetery.

Here's coordinates for google

12.568596, -70.021368


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 12, 2008, 07:45:10 PM
Rob on the interactive map of Aruba, it shows Santa Ana is on the corner of Caya F D Figaroa
Maybe you can find that road name?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 07:45:31 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH8.jpg)

ENLARGED
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH10.jpg)

This area looks like a closer match for the above ground cemetery and the red buildings.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH12.jpg)

This building here looks like it could be the polis station - and it would have a direct sight-line to the Church.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/possiblenoordpolisstation2.jpg)

++++++++

Pita, I changed the name on that pin. Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
Rob

Last try.  I found something that looks like church ? cemetery.

Here's coordinates for google

12.568596, -70.021368


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=12.568596,-70.021368&daddr=&mra=mi&mrsp=0&sz=18&sll=12.568627,-70.021507&sspn=0.002272,0.003283&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=18


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 07:48:20 PM
Rob

Last try.  I found something that looks like church ? cemetery.

Here's coordinates for google

12.568596, -70.021368

ha ha ha... why didn't I think of that  ::MonkeyHaHa::

thank you... it's no where near where I had it.

be right back

thanks Buckeye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Rob on June 12, 2008, 07:55:58 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH15.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/SANTAANACHURCH17.jpg)

This doesn't look right for some reason.

and it doesn't seem to follow the directions Buckeye provided.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 12, 2008, 07:56:29 PM
Why was that picture on the FP of Diario ?
Besides a truly indecent exposure that I could have lived without earlier from work what was the point ? Other than to pizz ppl off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 12, 2008, 08:05:06 PM
Rob:
Go north from the bird sanctuary, past half of the High-Rise hotels, and turn right at the first traffic light. Proceed a mile or two to the next traffic light. Originally built in 1776 and last renovated in 1916, Santa Anna Church boasts a soaring ceiling and an intricately carved altar, communion rail, and pulpit. The neo-Gothic oak altar, carved in 1870 for a parish in the Dutch province of Noord-Brabent by Hendrik van der Geld, came to Aruba in 1928. The two stained glass windows, dating from 1932 and 1965, honor four former lay priests of Alto Vista Chapel. The adjacent cemetery has no grass, but its hodgepodge of grave "houses" painted in tropical pastel colors and festooned with a verdant garden of plastic flower wreaths is bright and meditative. A family of resident burrowing owls stares down from their perch at uninvited intruders. The church, which is usually locked, is on Caya F. D. Figaroa at its intersection of Palm Beach in Noord


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Pita on June 12, 2008, 08:10:42 PM
Here's two more maps showing location of St. Anna's Church

R.C. Church on map across from police station

(http://i32.tinypic.com/nfmpzk.jpg)



32. Sta. Anna Church

(http://i31.tinypic.com/14y33u1.jpg)
brochures.aruba.com/arubamap/download/arubamap.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 12, 2008, 08:11:04 PM
Why was that picture on the FP of Diario ?
Besides a truly indecent exposure that I could have lived without earlier from work what was the point ? Other than to pizz ppl off.


Hi Kat_Gram,

It is a disgusting picture, but I think it's good for people to see what Joran is really like. No one made him behave that way - it shows what his true nature is, IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 08:14:44 PM
maybe I should add....I've never been very good with maps...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 08:16:03 PM
I don't care a whole lot about Joran's picture, but I do think people should read that he declared himself to be "king of the ocean".   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 12, 2008, 08:21:49 PM
I don't care a whole lot about Joran's picture, but I do think people should read that he declared himself to be "king of the ocean".   ::MonkeyNoNo::

And hopefully he will be in the ocean soon with a sinker tied to him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2008, 08:28:45 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 12, 2008, 08:30:56 PM
He is King of Nothing. Except his parents. And although I am trying to be a better person, I liked San's comment about the sinker.
I will be quiet and not make any remarks about his teeny weeny under the big box. Or about his lack of those two essential ( to men ) dangling thingies.
Guess things are good in Joran's world. Good for him. Gag.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 08:32:11 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: San on June 12, 2008, 08:35:04 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 

Exactly Klaas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 12, 2008, 08:35:41 PM
He is King of Nothing. Except his parents. And although I am trying to be a better person, I liked San's comment about the sinker.
I will be quiet and not make any remarks about his teeny weeny under the big box. Or about his lack of those two essential ( to men ) dangling thingies.
Guess things are good in Joran's world. Good for him. Gag.   

I think Joran believes things are good in his world, when in actual fact he's making them worse for himself (and his family) all the time. If he is going to behave in the fashion that he obviously is, I hope others keep finding out about it and come to know him for what he truly is.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2008, 08:53:29 PM
Joran The Moron is on a suicidal hurricane path of complete and total destruction!!!

He drives the bus himself. Don't take offense or get hurt, although I know

that is a very easy thing to do. Take those lame "scud missles" he sends out...

and deflect & ricochet them all right back on his sorry azz.

He's doing himself in. Dang it, help the boy at every step!

Give him a nice fat Monkey jackboot right up his li'l hidey hole. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 12, 2008, 08:59:13 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 

Exactly....If what happened to Natalee were an accident any other kid would have been remorseful, and changed his ways. Joran on the other hand has done the opposite. You have the countless incidents from throwing the wine at Devries, to caught in the bathroom on the plane, stealing money from the older guy, and now baby huey in the nude. He is getting worse.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 12, 2008, 09:09:04 PM
Oh Carpe you have such a way with words.
...........
I guess J must be out of " treatment ".
Guess it doesn't always work.
...
Lots of ppl cavort in the nude.. it isn't a crime in most places. Unless you are downtown and everyone else is wearing a suit LOL But for him, like why does he need this type of attention ? Reminds me of OJ. Smug and lots more. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 12, 2008, 09:17:16 PM
Ok, so me bad. I went over to RU and saw the pix without the box. Some of their comments are rather funny. I need some new glasses, I think as I couldn't see anything. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2008, 09:22:00 PM
Kat,

He is JUST LIKE O.J., everything that is bad to normal people, is wonderful to them.


----

Joran's winky:

He would have a bright future in the field  of Nanotechnology! It is a world

where even though you cannot see things with the "naked eye", they really

do exist!!!!! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 12, 2008, 09:22:41 PM
(http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2382/11junkwagaradrogasmallhi2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Drug-catch on open sea
The speedboat alongside the cutter Panter at Parera, and in the picture to the right, the bags with drugs.

WILLEMSTAD – The coastguard and navy made a big haul again late last night.  The cutter Panter intercepted a speedboat on open sea.  The speedboat had 916 kilo cocaine and heroine on board.  The six persons on board, all from Venezuela, were arrested.  Including this catch, the amount of confiscated drugs in less than 2 weeks is 1700 kilo.

In connection with the still going investigation, the coastguard doesn’t want to say where exactly the boat was intercepted last night.  Several media mentioned Bonaire this morning, but spokesperson Roderick Gouverneur denies that.

The Dutch Navy and the Coastguard, acted in close cooperation with the American, French, and British navy as part of the Joint Interagency Task Force South (JIATF South) and with the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA).   

The coastguard received around noon a reporting from a patrolling helicopter that a suspicious go-fast was going towards Aruba or Curacao.  The coastguard put the cutter Panter and two SuperRhibs from the naval base in Aruba into action.  They were able to stop the speedboat.  During the inspection of the suspicious vessel, they found 31 bags with drugs.  They took the go-fast to the coastguard landing at the naval base in Parera.  The six persons on board were arrested and the drugs handed over to customs.  The case is under investigated.

The police rounded up a drug gang late May and confiscated 123 kilos of cocaine in a car.  A few days later, the coastguard intercepted a Venezuelan speedboat with 162 kilo cocaine on board.  The three people on board jumped overboard and fled via land.  The coastguard was also at it on the Windward Islands; they intercepted a boat near Saba with 20 kilo cocaine last Tuesday, and 500 kilo cocaine was intercepted in Great Bay in St. Maarten last Friday.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
Ok, so me bad. I went over to RU and saw the pix without the box. Some of their comments are rather funny. I need some new glasses, I think as I couldn't see anything. 

I posted it here too without the box.  It was Diario that added the box.  FWIW, I think the photo is as discusting as Joran is but I don't think it should be hidden.  I want the world to see what an ass he is.  I also want him to keep talking because one day he will be his own demise.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 12, 2008, 09:24:34 PM
For Rob

From May 15

BOGOTA, Colombia - INTERPOL today presented the results of its forensic examination of eight seized FARC computer and hardware exhibits following a request for assistance in March of this year by Colombia, one of INTERPOL's 186 member countries.....

...Using sophisticated forensic tools, INTERPOL's experts determined that the eight seized computer exhibits contained more than 600 gigabytes of data, including 37,872 written documents, 452 spreadsheets, 210,888 images, 22,481 web pages, 7,989 email addresses, 10,537 multimedia files (sound and video), and 983 encrypted files.

In non-technical terms, this volume of data would correspond to 39.5 million filled pages in Microsoft Word and, if all of the seized data were in Word format, it would take more than 1,000 years to read at a rate of 100 pages per day. To break the 983 encrypted files, INTERPOL's experts linked and ran 10 computers simultaneously 24 hours a day / 7 days a week for two weeks.


http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2008/PR200817.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 12, 2008, 09:33:03 PM
Ok, so me bad. I went over to RU and saw the pix without the box. Some of their comments are rather funny. I need some new glasses, I think as I couldn't see anything. 

I posted it here too without the box.  It was Diario that added the box.  FWIW, I think the photo is as discusting as Joran is but I don't think it should be hidden.  I want the world to see what an ass he is.  I also want him to keep talking because one day he will be his own demise.

He is the perfect example of Confession and owning up to what he did (and returning Natalee to her family) is very good for the soul.  He cannot ever be a valuable member of society with the road he is heading down.  His parents cannot rein him in now and the Aruba legal system is so broken they cannot save him now either.  He is sliding down that slippery slop to the point of no return.  Why? because he is not a MAN (just look at the picture for that answer  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 09:36:40 PM
My opinion only:
EVERYTHING about this case is nauseating, and in fact IS disgusting. Simply ignoring the things that show up in the press (while more bearable to many) would not serve our cause very well. When Joran "exposes" (sorry) his true nature to the world -- we cannot ignore it. In fact, it is even more necessary to over sensationalize it so that even more people in the general public are made aware just how depraved these people are. It's been 3 long years -- playing "nice" hasn't worked.
I agree wreck.

By showing Joran's true colors only proves to the world that we were right.  This picture needed to be shown as disgusting as it is.

Does anyone really think the Sloot's are bothered by his behavior.  After covering up a murder in their own home does anyone really think they care that their psycho son dropped his draws.

I will make a prediction right now and say that the Sloots aren't long for the wear on that island.  They will be packing up and returning to the Netherlands or some other country where their family is.  They stayed long enough for their second child to graduate high school and see him off to college.

P.S.  They will keep the house they are living in on Aruba and board it up.  They won't rent it and it will be watched.

JMO


Great post. I agree, it won't be long now.  How do these people SLEEP?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 09:53:53 PM
Ok, so me bad. I went over to RU and saw the pix without the box. Some of their comments are rather funny. I need some new glasses, I think as I couldn't see anything. 

I posted it here too without the box.  It was Diario that added the box.  FWIW, I think the photo is as discusting as Joran is but I don't think it should be hidden.  I want the world to see what an ass he is.  I also want him to keep talking because one day he will be his own demise.


I can't stand the suspense snay longer.  And i don't visit RU....any way u can mail it to me KLass???
Just for shits and giggles....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 10:06:50 PM
Ok, so me bad. I went over to RU and saw the pix without the box. Some of their comments are rather funny. I need some new glasses, I think as I couldn't see anything. 

I posted it here too without the box.  It was Diario that added the box.  FWIW, I think the photo is as discusting as Joran is but I don't think it should be hidden.  I want the world to see what an ass he is.  I also want him to keep talking because one day he will be his own demise.


I can't stand the suspense snay longer.  And i don't visit RU....any way u can mail it to me KLass???
Just for shits and giggles....

FOM - what do you want emailed to you the picture or the stuff RU is saying?  There are about 12 pages of jokes about Joran's "lack of" at RU.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 10:23:33 PM
*******...I have always thought LVR has been involved, as many monkeys do, beginning the early am that Nat went "missing".

As far as time in jail, for LVR I guess silence pays? 
Some day LVR will wind up dead....and quite unexpectedly, imo, probably in another country. 
He can never be trusted not to tell what he might profitably sell to the media or barter with the drug lords and mafia.
Does anyone know where LVR is now?  Just curious.  TY   

After reading most I everything I could about him ,I think it is likely he is Daury along with PVDS. I think it is highly likely PVDS picked up Joran and Natalee at 4AM and Joran caught the bus for school by Lorenzo's house a few hours later. Lorenzo is a recluse drug addict and dealer,he is probably the last person they are worried about as far as talking to the media or someone else. People that know him have said he lived on the edge,was spoiled,crazy,and did anything he wanted and eventually will hit a brick wall..Sound like anyone else we know? Your right,Eventually LVR will wind up like his adopted father Paul Van Rijn if he doesnt wind up in prison first where he belongs.

LVR is probably still at his house in Jaraweg,partying it up and back to business. If he isn't growing 100+ plants at his compound anymore then he is probably looking for other avenues for that cash flow. There are many Van Rijn's in Holland including his mother so I would imagine he spends time there as well.


*******


It was always my impression that the 4am Mc D pick up was in Savanta, not near the Holiday Inn...however is is on the way to Savanta..iirc.

Some day people will speak about that night further. I think alot did happen at Lorenzoes. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2008, 10:33:43 PM
I'm dense sometimes -- there are 2 McDonald's on Aruba? Not just the one close to the H.I.?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2008, 10:34:37 PM
sometimes


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 10:37:23 PM

He is the perfect example of Confession and owning up to what he did (and returning Natalee to her family) is very good for the soul.  He cannot ever be a valuable member of society with the road he is heading down.  His parents cannot rein him in now and the Aruba legal system is so broken they cannot save him now either.  He is sliding down that slippery slop to the point of no return.  Why? because he is not a MAN (just look at the picture for that answer  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Yep, except their legal system isn't broken down. They don't have one. What they have is an ILLEGAL SYSTEM where all the Dutchmen help out their buddies. Their system is a total farce.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 10:40:13 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 


I agree, best place to run that story and those photos is in those crooks own backyard so all the decent people can see what kind of people have been running their government and taking up for such a sorry sack of shit named Joran for three years.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 10:42:18 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 

Exactly....If what happened to Natalee were an accident any other kid would have been remorseful, and changed his ways. Joran on the other hand has done the opposite. You have the countless incidents from throwing the wine at Devries, to caught in the bathroom on the plane, stealing money from the older guy, and now baby huey in the nude. He is getting worse.


I think sociopath is too kind a word for him, BB. Joran is a full-blown psychopath and he will kill again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 10:44:37 PM

I can't stand the suspense snay longer.  And i don't visit RU....any way u can mail it to me KLass???
Just for shits and giggles....

FOM - what do you want emailed to you the picture or the stuff RU is saying?  There are about 12 pages of jokes about Joran's "lack of" at RU.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Glad they finally get it, most of them anyway. How anybody can endorse that loser after his confession and other antics is beyond my comprehension.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 10:45:23 PM
I'm dense sometimes -- there are 2 McDonald's on Aruba? Not just the one close to the H.I.?

If I remember correctly there are 3.  One near the Holiday Inn, one in Oranjestad and maybe another in Savaneta. 

Edited to add:  I'm only finding 2 so I could be wrong about 3.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 10:47:29 PM
I'm dense sometimes -- there are 2 McDonald's on Aruba? Not just the one close to the H.I.?


IIRC
in 2002-2005


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2008, 10:48:22 PM

I can't stand the suspense snay longer.  And i don't visit RU....any way u can mail it to me KLass???
Just for shits and giggles....

FOM - what do you want emailed to you the picture or the stuff RU is saying?  There are about 12 pages of jokes about Joran's "lack of" at RU.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Glad they finally get it, most of them anyway. How anybody can endorse that loser after his confession and other antics is beyond my comprehension.
Don't/won't read there --- do "most" of them really get it? Have any of that die-hard group of Joran supporters changed their minds?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 10:52:33 PM
My opinion only:
EVERYTHING about this case is nauseating, and in fact IS disgusting. Simply ignoring the things that show up in the press (while more bearable to many) would not serve our cause very well. When Joran "exposes" (sorry) his true nature to the world -- we cannot ignore it. In fact, it is even more necessary to over sensationalize it so that even more people in the general public are made aware just how depraved these people are. It's been 3 long years -- playing "nice" hasn't worked.
I agree wreck.

By showing Joran's true colors only proves to the world that we were right.  This picture needed to be shown as disgusting as it is.

Does anyone really think the Sloot's are bothered by his behavior.  After covering up a murder in their own home does anyone really think they care that their psycho son dropped his draws.

I will make a prediction right now and say that the Sloots aren't long for the wear on that island.  They will be packing up and returning to the Netherlands or some other country where their family is.  They stayed long enough for their second child to graduate high school and see him off to college.

P.S.  They will keep the house they are living in on Aruba and board it up.  They won't rent it and it will be watched.

JMO


Great post. I agree, it won't be long now.  How do these people SLEEP?????


I still think he's going to bankrupt his parents before this is all over. I don't think anyone on Aruba wants to front the bastards anymore after all he's cost the island. When they start having to pay their own bills, and they may already have, he'll drain them dry with his legal bills. He is the kiss of death and would have no cumpuctions whatsoever about sending his parents down the tank.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 12, 2008, 10:54:58 PM

Glad they finally get it, most of them anyway. How anybody can endorse that loser after his confession and other antics is beyond my comprehension.
Don't/won't read there --- do "most" of them really get it? Have any of that die-hard group of Joran supporters changed their minds?


Never have read there either Wreck but if a bunch of them are making fun of Joran there must be some with good sense among them.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 11:10:43 PM

Glad they finally get it, most of them anyway. How anybody can endorse that loser after his confession and other antics is beyond my comprehension.
Don't/won't read there --- do "most" of them really get it? Have any of that die-hard group of Joran supporters changed their minds?


Never have read there either Wreck but if a bunch of them are making fun of Joran there must be some with good sense among them.  ::MonkeyWink::

I would say ALOT of them changed their mind about Joran after his "confession" with Patrick. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 12, 2008, 11:10:57 PM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 

Exactly....If what happened to Natalee were an accident any other kid would have been remorseful, and changed his ways. Joran on the other hand has done the opposite. You have the countless incidents from throwing the wine at Devries, to caught in the bathroom on the plane, stealing money from the older guy, and now baby huey in the nude. He is getting worse.

i don't think he's worse.  he's just having the layers of protection peeled away and everyone's watching.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 11:15:31 PM
I'm dense sometimes -- there are 2 McDonald's on Aruba? Not just the one close to the H.I.?

If I remember correctly there are 3.  One near the Holiday Inn, one in Oranjestad and maybe another in Savaneta. 

Edited to add:  I'm only finding 2 so I could be wrong about 3.


KLASS u r always the best sorce on info here.
It might have been Orangestead.  I thought it was close to one of Lorenzoes homes. 



MMM  (  =  My Mistake Monkeys )



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 12, 2008, 11:17:51 PM
Ok, so me bad. I went over to RU and saw the pix without the box. Some of their comments are rather funny. I need some new glasses, I think as I couldn't see anything. 

it's like the national geographic travel guide said about aruba.  there's no there there.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2008, 11:18:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

Criminality increased with 11 percent

Looking back on 2007, chief of police Peter de Witte is of the opinion that the shooting incident near Arubus in December of last year, whereby a 19-year old boy shot a police officer and was self shot and killed, is an example of the hardening in the society and especially with the youth.

ORANJESTAD – From the tentative figures of the Police Corps of Aruba it appears that criminality has increased with 11.3 percent last year.  This has to do with mainly the sharp rise of the number of robberies, especially in homes.  The police are highly satisfied with the approach of the local drug dealings and the use of narcotics; more than 200 kilo cocaine was confiscated last year, double the amount of 2006.

Points of concern are the development of the youth criminality and “the growing ease with which firearms are being used”, said chief of police Peter de Witte looking back on last year.  “The shooting incident in December of last year is an example of that.  It started with a fight and it ended in a shout-out, whereby one police officer was hit by two bullets and the shooter that finally died.”

The chief of police is also very concerned about the armed confrontations between several youth groups that in addition are getting more and more involved with criminal activities.  “A hardening has taken place.”  De Witte doesn’t want to talk about gangs.  “That gives them too much status.  These are groups that represent certain neighbourhoods, of which some are engaged in criminality like drug dealing and burglary.”   

Besides, the police corps has no perception of the age structure of those that commit crimes; at least not until a new registration system is introduced soon.  The youth criminality has been raised to priority one this year.  “Youth criminality, definitely after the serious incidents of last year, is heavily qualified for the subjective safety feeling.  More and more people are wondering: Do I have to go to carnival due to the problems caused by the young people.”

FEWER CAR THEFTS

Thus, the number of crimes has increased last year.  The number of crimes committed in 2005 was 5511; in 2006, 5643; and in 2007, 6277.  Again, the highest number of crimes committed is robbery, especially due to the increased number of housebreakings.  Lowering the number of burglaries is therefore on the priority list of this year.  The number of car thefts has decreased with 19 percent compared to 2006; which is positive, according to De Witte. 

Same as past years, destruction and ill-treatment are the common crimes.  The number of deadly violent offences is dropping; 3 versus 7 in 2006 and 6 in 2005.

67 Percent of these crimes are solved.   

The stricter approach of the local dealing in drugs and use of narcotics that the police has started with last year and is also a spearhead for this year, is according to De Witte very successful.  Not only did the number of cocaine that was confiscated last year doubled compared to 2006, but the police also confiscated 1078 XTC-pills versus 340 in 2006.  A total of 152 persons, including 11 drug dealers were arrested during police actions in the entertainment centre.  “The local drug dealing and use of drugs remains a big problem.  It caused a lot of inconvenience in the districts and peripheral criminality, like burglary.  Especially the youth is very vulnerable when they come into contact with drugs.  We know that drugs is being used and sold on several schools and I an very worried about that”, said De Witte.

TRAFFIC

Despite the extra traffic surveillances in 2007, the number of deaths in traffic accidents increased to 18; a big increase compared to the past 4 years.  The number of reported collisions keeps dropping (-6.2 percent to 5858).  With all the police actions in traffic, the traffic behaviour has changed, says De Witte.  He hopes that a combination of traffic surveillance and prevention would change this.  The biggest problem is still alcohol in traffic.  “Most optimum would be to conduct traffic surveillance every day, but that is not realistic.  The corps doesn’t have enough capacity.” 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 12, 2008, 11:35:10 PM
Aruba does not want to prosecute or incriminate the locals.

KLASS..ty for the Amigoe article.


Have the Arubans ever heard of a roadblock?
Or..... too affraid PAPI and co would be busted?
::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 12, 2008, 11:44:03 PM
I'm dense sometimes -- there are 2 McDonald's on Aruba? Not just the one close to the H.I.?

If I remember correctly there are 3.  One near the Holiday Inn, one in Oranjestad and maybe another in Savaneta. 

Edited to add:  I'm only finding 2 so I could be wrong about 3.

Two. One is near Holiday Inn, next door to Amazonia Restaurant where Joran took Larissa for din din.

The other is downtown next to the Crystal Casino.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Kermit on June 12, 2008, 11:46:59 PM
Kermit, while youre here, can you tell me when that map by karen was put in the Diaro paper??

I'm not sure what you're saying?





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 13, 2008, 12:01:49 AM
Kermit, while youre here, can you tell me when that map by karen was put in the Diaro paper??

I'm not sure what you're saying?





uggghhhhhh...PMFI    ( pardon me for interupting)

but that sounds like a total cop response.....WTF is the real issue,  .........?????
Kermit?...
Always1????....


Someone?????

TIA





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2008, 12:12:24 AM
always 1,

Link to the May 10th Diario article where the map was printed:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

Link to the discussion here on the same date:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.180



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 13, 2008, 12:14:42 AM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 

Exactly Klaas.

This is an excerpt from an email I recieved from Aruba today:  I am in total agreement with Klaas and San.  The world needs to see what Joran really is...something that we have known all along...

Hi xxxxxx

I was reading the comments, and they are furious about Joran. I was wondering what the parents have to say now.

If I hear something I let you know.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Destiny on June 13, 2008, 12:21:49 AM
(http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2382/11junkwagaradrogasmallhi2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Drug-catch on open sea
The speedboat alongside the cutter Panter at Parera, and in the picture to the right, the bags with drugs.

WILLEMSTAD – The coastguard and navy made a big haul again late last night.  The cutter Panter intercepted a speedboat on open sea.  The speedboat had 916 kilo cocaine and heroine on board.  The six persons on board, all from Venezuela, were arrested.  Including this catch, the amount of confiscated drugs in less than 2 weeks is 1700 kilo.

In connection with the still going investigation, the coastguard doesn’t want to say where exactly the boat was intercepted last night.  Several media mentioned Bonaire this morning, but spokesperson Roderick Gouverneur denies that.

The Dutch Navy and the Coastguard, acted in close cooperation with the American, French, and British navy as part of the Joint Interagency Task Force South (JIATF South) and with the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA).   

The coastguard received around noon a reporting from a patrolling helicopter that a suspicious go-fast was going towards Aruba or Curacao.  The coastguard put the cutter Panter and two SuperRhibs from the naval base in Aruba into action.  They were able to stop the speedboat.  During the inspection of the suspicious vessel, they found 31 bags with drugs.  They took the go-fast to the coastguard landing at the naval base in Parera.  The six persons on board were arrested and the drugs handed over to customs.  The case is under investigated.

The police rounded up a drug gang late May and confiscated 123 kilos of cocaine in a car.  A few days later, the coastguard intercepted a Venezuelan speedboat with 162 kilo cocaine on board.  The three people on board jumped overboard and fled via land.  The coastguard was also at it on the Windward Islands; they intercepted a boat near Saba with 20 kilo cocaine last Tuesday, and 500 kilo cocaine was intercepted in Great Bay in St. Maarten last Friday.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

*******,

With the loss of millions in tourists dollars...they have to make it up some way...confiscate...sell it back to them...LOL....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: friend of monkeys on June 13, 2008, 12:22:46 AM
 ::MonkeyRoll::



TY   much appreciated Texasmom!

After reading all that i will sleep better resting asssured that  PAP lingo translates to "possibly a psycho".

nite monkeys


Prayers for Nat and her family.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2008, 12:28:28 AM
::MonkeyRoll::



TY   much appreciated Texasmom!

After reading all that i will sleep better resting asssured that  PAP lingo translates to "possibly a psycho".

nite monkeys


Prayers for Nat and her family.


YW FOM   ::MonkeyHaHa::

good night   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2008, 12:32:01 AM
always 1,

Link to the May 10th Diario article where the map was printed:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

Link to the discussion here on the same date:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.180



Thanks Texasmom!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: texasmom on June 13, 2008, 01:00:51 AM
always 1,

Link to the May 10th Diario article where the map was printed:

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2346&Itemid=30

Link to the discussion here on the same date:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2830.180



Thanks Texasmom!

YW Klaas! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: CapsLockWizard on June 13, 2008, 04:30:33 AM
Hi monkeys,

Lots a work ahead now that help has arrived from the state.

More Later.....

CAPS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 13, 2008, 08:00:46 AM
Did we ever find out what happened to that shoe and if it was the real deal or a sick joke? Anyone?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: johan555 on June 13, 2008, 08:22:25 AM
full-blown psychopath  !! 
Dayhiker  you choose exactly the right words  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think he is not welcome in Aruba,Usa  and Holland anymore .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 13, 2008, 08:26:28 AM
Did we ever find out what happened to that shoe and if it was the real deal or a sick joke? Anyone?
ALE said it was a woman's shoe. I don't think anyone else has access to it -- so no matter if it is indeed real, we will never know. Just like all the other evidence in this case.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 13, 2008, 08:29:05 AM
full-blown psychopath  !! 
Dayhiker  you choose exactly the right words  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think he is not welcome in Aruba,Usa  and Holland anymore .

Happy Friday Everyone!  ::MonkeyDance::

Joran is probably safer in parts of the U.S. then Holland or Aruba right now..I wonder who will escort Valentijn to his new home in Boston? I sure would like to be there to welcome them..Especially if PVDS makes the trip  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 13, 2008, 08:33:47 AM
full-blown psychopath  !! 
Dayhiker  you choose exactly the right words  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think he is not welcome in Aruba,Usa  and Holland anymore .

Happy Friday Everyone!  ::MonkeyDance::

Joran is probably safer in parts of the U.S. then Holland or Aruba right now..I wonder who will escort Valentijn to his new home in Boston? I sure would like to be there to welcome them..Especially if PVDS makes the trip  ::MonkeyWink::


IT'S FRIDAY THE 13TH, GUYS... ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyTongue::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: wreck on June 13, 2008, 08:37:54 AM
full-blown psychopath  !! 
Dayhiker  you choose exactly the right words  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think he is not welcome in Aruba,Usa  and Holland anymore .

Happy Friday Everyone!  ::MonkeyDance::

Joran is probably safer in parts of the U.S. then Holland or Aruba right now..I wonder who will escort Valentijn to his new home in Boston? I sure would like to be there to welcome them..Especially if PVDS makes the trip  ::MonkeyWink::
Oh, I wouldn't be so sure. I can just hear them now:
"The evil Beth emasculated poor Joran."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Observer on June 13, 2008, 08:45:24 AM
(http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2382/11junkwagaradrogasmallhi2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

*******,

With the loss of millions in tourists dollars...they have to make it up some way...confiscate...sell it back to them...LOL....
LOL! Somebody is out millions of dollars..From what I have read these busts were made in the Aruban waters and the likely destination. They caught this shipment with the help of 3 other countries,but how many other go fast boats filled with cocaine and heroin make it through without being confiscated? 99 out of 100?

Its Friday the 13th?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: Peaches on June 13, 2008, 08:48:51 AM
Good morning.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 13, 2008, 08:56:40 AM
full-blown psychopath  !! 
Dayhiker  you choose exactly the right words  ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think he is not welcome in Aruba,Usa  and Holland anymore .

Happy Friday Everyone!  ::MonkeyDance::

Joran is probably safer in parts of the U.S. then Holland or Aruba right now..I wonder who will escort Valentijn to his new home in Boston? I sure would like to be there to welcome them..Especially if PVDS makes the trip  ::MonkeyWink::
Oh, I wouldn't be so sure. I can just hear them now:
"The evil Beth emasculated poor Joran."

roflmao!!!

actually they have already made posts of this nature at RU!! lol

FINALLY though...we agree on SOMETHING with the haters...joran has a teenie weenie and no balls!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #757 6/8 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 13, 2008, 09:01:01 AM
Also note that the pic did not originate in Diario - it was on a Dutch rag yesterday. Diario was just showing the pic and article as it appeared overseas.

I'm glad the photo made the Dutch paper and Diario.  Some people have held onto the belief that Joran was a sweet young sporter, he's proving them wrong. 


I agree, best place to run that