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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 - 6/18/08
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 10:27:48 AM
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Natalee2.swf


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 02:03:39 PM
From the previous thread - tourist rape victim:

The article Rob posted (above, this page ... )

http://www.awe24.com/ (http://www.awe24.com/)

AUTORIDAD TA INVESTIGANDO UN CASO SERIO DI VIOLACION DI UN TURISTA DIABIERNA MADRUGA

Un turista, cu ta hospeda na un hotel na Eagle Beach, den oranan di diabierna madruga, a ser viola sexualmente. Esaki sigur no ta un bon propaganda pa nos industria turistico. Di acuerdo cu e informacionnan cu nos a haya, despues cu ayera mainta, e victima a ser hiba Hospital pa un chequeo medico pa confirma e hecho di violacion. KZP y Cuerpo di Recherche ta investigando e caso aki. No ta conoci, si e dama a keda viola riba beach dilanti di su hotel, of  ta den kamber di su hotel.

Online Pap translation:

autoridad is investigando one caso earnest of violacion of one tourist diabierna madruga

one tourist, cu is hospeda at one hotel at eagle beach, in oranan of diabierna madruga, owing to being viola sexualmente. this assure do not one good propaganda for we industry turistico. of acuerdo cu the informacionnan cu we owing to achieve, after cu yesterday morning, the victima owing to being take away hospital for one chequeo medico for confirma the mature of violacion. kzp y cuerpo of recherche is investigando the caso here. do not conoci, if the lady owing to stay viola on beach fast of his hotel, or is in bedroom of his hotel.

So this is this is saying that a tourist was sexually attacked and that it's not good propaganda for the tourist industry?

it says exactly that

here are the images - looks like the police just dropped her off at the hospital

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista4.jpg)

I'm sure she got real good care over that the Oduber hospital, and I'm sure the rape kid was not compromised, and I'm sure the DNA was preserved. ::MonkeyRoll::





Posted by Destiny in the previous thread:

KLAAS...just got off the phone...you are not gonna believe this!!!  Please promise me that you will take this over to the new thread, when you lock this one K?

Straight from the mouth of the ALE...The rape victim is a US/American tourist...early 30's...staying at Holiday Inn...went to Moombas Bar...there ALE said she got very drunk...then left with THREE guys and went to the beach with them at night...TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM...sheesh...

This part reels my mind!!!...ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of the guys...sworn statements from the guys are all the same to this account...the American tourist woman only got mad when the 3 guys started taking pictures of her...so she has filed a false report to get the 3 guys in trouble...I DON'T FU*KIN' BELIEVE IT!!!

Also...they are trying to talk her out of filing charges against the 3 guys...but, she wants to pursue the charges...but...ALE told me that she got herself into this situation by getting drunk at Moombas...and leaving with 3 guys she didn't know...and ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of them...

Klaas...I will send to your banana basket the name and number of the ALE dude who told me all of this...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 02:41:52 PM
Robs maps from the previous thread:

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/EAGLEBEACH2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/EAGLEBEACH4.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Miss Scarlet on June 14, 2008, 02:45:43 PM
Still on the other thread and not caught up as usual, I just wanted to say . . .

There has been much speculation regarding Joran's 'missing package,' when it can be so easily explained.

It got caught in a 'MONKEY GRINDER'!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-natalee-holloway-deepak-satish-kalpoe-suing-dr-phil-for-defamation-doesnt-one-have-to-first-have-character/

Aruba: Natalee Holloway: Deepak & Satish Kalpoe Suing Dr Phil for Defamation … Doesn’t One Have to First have Character?


(http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Phil_Kalpoe_080206_small.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 02:53:06 PM
here is an image from last year when Moombas had a fire.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/moombaburnsdown2-1.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 02:53:36 PM
Destiny - yes, got your email and replied!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 14, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
I thought I read one of the PV'S that said Joran was wearing shorts and a white shirt that night after the casino. I cannot find it so I may be mistaken. Did he even change clothes that night?
======================
Short clip of Joran walking into the casino 2:13 mark
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YA3NKpGHnqc

Joran walking into Excelsior 19:51
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa118/Observer00000007/ent1.jpg)


May 31st PV (JVS)
I was wearing a blue jeans and blue/white shirt.
June 9th 2005 PV(JVS)
To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.
=====================
S.S Kalpoe 6-11-05 PV
We then said to Joran that he should get changed so that we could go out. Joran then went to get changed in order to go out with us. I cannot remember what kind of clothes Joran had put on that day. Usually Joran wears shorts. Joran had to go to school the next day.
======================
D.K 6-11-05 PV

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sport shoes that night. If you search his home then you will find that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he left them on the beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 14, 2008, 02:54:53 PM
Still on the other thread and not caught up as usual, I just wanted to say . . .

There has been much speculation regarding Joran's 'missing package,' when it can be so easily explained.

It got caught in a 'MONKEY GRINDER'!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/The_Funky_Monkey.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 03:00:18 PM
I am sending emails of concern to the newspapers, Holiday Inn, and ATAHA.  I want them to know that Americans are watching.  Does anyone have any other email addresses?

The email address for Aruba Travel (ATA) Public Relations is
ata.pr@aruba.com

Amigoe:
webmaster@amigoe.com

Aruba Today
news@arubatoday.com

Diario Aruba:
diario@setarnet.aw

Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
ARUBA-BEACH RESORT & CASINO
J. E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD #230
ARUBA, ARUBA
Hotel Front Desk: 297-58-63600 | Hotel Fax: 297-58-65165





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 03:01:04 PM
Quote
Rob...is there anything involed with the NH case that was/is associated with the Eagle Beach area?   TIA

Des...

Not that I'm aware. They put the porn tape in the DVD player at that point, near La Cabana.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:03:11 PM
Rob...I posted this at the very end of the previous thread...do you know if there was/is connection to the Eagle Beach area regarding the NH case?  TIA

Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 03:05:55 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 14, 2008, 03:12:46 PM
Description from tourists that stayed across the street from Eagle Beach:

The MVC is within walking distance to many things. The first night we walked down the road next to the hotel which led us to a Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and a couple convenience stores. In the same direction there is a casino and Adventure Golf (which is a rip off at $7 per game, but we played anyway). Some may not like walking to these places because you have to cross a highway, but it was fine by us. We also walked to Palm Beach. To get to the beginning of Palm Beach is probably a 20 minute walk. We walked all the way to the other end of Palm Beach - of course we enjoy walking, so some people may not want to walk. There is always the bus which picks you up and drops you off right in front of the hotel - quite a deal!

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147248-d483311-r5288920-MVC_Eagle_Beach-Oranjestad_Aruba.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:21:52 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

I wonder of teeny weenie...came home for Father's Day...do they celebrate that in Aruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:24:01 PM
Also...I think in the photo that Rob posted on the crime...the rape victem...is the younger slim girl in the white pants....the older woman looks like she is holding a clipboard of some type...maybe a female ALE?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 03:25:01 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 14, 2008, 03:32:38 PM
Destiny
Thanks for tracking that down for us...you are the Ringy Dingy Queen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:33:10 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:36:10 PM
Destiny
Thanks for tracking that down for us...you are the Ringy Dingy Queen!

Only KLAAS knows my secrets...heh heh heh.... ::MonkeyCool::

but YW Lala's...you do the same in your work Sweetie ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 03:36:37 PM
Still on the other thread and not caught up as usual, I just wanted to say . . .

There has been much speculation regarding Joran's 'missing package,' when it can be so easily explained.

It got caught in a 'MONKEY GRINDER'!

 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j305/binwhack1/The_Funky_Monkey.png)



He looks like he just noticed Urine's family jewels.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 03:37:25 PM
UPDATE!!

MISSING PERSONS FORUM - MATTHEW WILSON: MISSING RICE UNIVERSITY STUDENT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 14, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....
My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 03:42:53 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....



Destiny - Thanks for the info from the police.  Here's the Holiday Inn number.  I just sent them an email with my concerns that another one of their guests has been gang raped.  The email connection is directly from their website.

Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort
ARUBA-BEACH RESORT & CASINO
J. E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD #230
ARUBA, ARUBA
Hotel Front Desk: 297-58-63600 | Hotel Fax: 297-58-65165


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 03:49:19 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.



I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....
My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.

Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 03:54:45 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.


I sure hope so...I'm tempted to call the Holiday Inn...try to get the name of the US tourist rape victem...was she traveling with a group?...alone?...

Someone give me a shove....
My guess would be that is her mother with her in that photo. The chances of anything being done in Aruba to help her are slim to none,they will produce other witnesses that will say she was acting like a drunk slut. All 3 had sex with her and were taking pictures of her..Sounds like something we have heard before,but luckily this Lady did not dissapear of the face of the earth. They were gonna try this same story with Natalee before they quickly realized no one in America would believe it.




NBC in New York has been notified.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 14, 2008, 04:02:05 PM
so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT*
--------------------
After the fact? Was she suppose to report a rape before it happened? Why is it in Aruba when someone is gangraped by multiple people it is always consensual? Was it consensual when the 16 yr old girl was gangraped and filmed by her classmates and forced to move off of Aruba? Is it consensual when a woman is drugged and raped in Aruba? Does she lose all rights because it happened in Aruba,its bad for there tourism and she agreed to vacation there?

You would be hard pressed to find a more wholesome 18 year old then Natalee and thats why they abandoned the BS that she had sex with all 3 of them before dissapearing. They even had to abandon the BS that she was drunk,unconscious and doing drugs because that would be a crime as well.

There must be 100's of video's and photo's in Aruba of sexual conquests by the locals. Druggings,gang rapes and even consensual sex,for them to remember there conquests of the Tourists. I'M sure Mr.Pink and certain pimps had quite the library going in the short time they were doing this.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 04:02:44 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.




Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 04:04:56 PM

Posted by Destiny in the previous thread:

KLAAS...just got off the phone...you are not gonna believe this!!!  Please promise me that you will take this over to the new thread, when you lock this one K?

Straight from the mouth of the ALE...The rape victim is a US/American tourist...early 30's...staying at Holiday Inn...went to Moombas Bar...there ALE said she got very drunk...then left with THREE guys and went to the beach with them at night...TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM...sheesh...

This part reels my mind!!!...ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of the guys...sworn statements from the guys are all the same to this account...the American tourist woman only got mad when the 3 guys started taking pictures of her...so she has filed a false report to get the 3 guys in trouble...I DON'T FU*KIN' BELIEVE IT!!!

Also...they are trying to talk her out of filing charges against the 3 guys...but, she wants to pursue the charges...but...ALE told me that she got herself into this situation by getting drunk at Moombas...and leaving with 3 guys she didn't know...and ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of them...


Klaas...I will send to your banana basket the name and number of the ALE dude who told me all of this...

Destiny

JAMIE SKEETERS' RECORDING

Deepak Kalpoe:


“To tell you quite frankly, dressed like a slut, talked like one, too,” he said. “Would go into a car with three strange guys, and her mother, claiming her to be the goody-two-shoes."

http://scrux.com/natalee/skeetersseg6script.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT*
--------------------
After the fact? Was she suppose to report a rape before it happened? Why is it in Aruba when someone is gangraped by multiple people it always consensual?


That their twisted logic *******. This is a Dutch male dominated society on Aruba and women don't count for shit. They are strictly their pleasure toys and when one gets raped they accuse her of wanting it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 04:11:41 PM

Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 04:15:55 PM
I wonder if they checked her for signs of date-rape drugs?  Perhaps ALE retained the picture/videos for evidence that she was unable to give consent?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 04:17:22 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 04:21:37 PM

Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.

How about some suggestions?

When a customer is "acting all crazy" maybe someone should call the ALE, Visibility Team, Tourist Police, or 911 for help?  Don't let them leave with strangers.

Anyone check for date rape drugs?

Maybe guys (and girls) should be taught avoid people who are "acting all crazy"?

Maybe you shouldn't take pictures?

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 04:26:32 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 04:27:54 PM

Bingo *******...ALE told me QUOTE*  I hate to speak badly of someone...but she went to Moombas...got very drunk, was acting all crazy..picked up 3 guys she didn't even know...and left to go to the beach to have sex with all 3 of them...she wanted sex with all 3 of them, the guys said, and she only got mad *after* the 3 started taking photos of her...so she reported the assault *AFTER THE FACT* to get the 3 guys in trouble..END OF QUOTE...

Destiny


Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006


TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 04:28:01 PM

Thanks again for the scoop Destiny! Does all of this ring a bell? Joran had three complaints filed against him for drugging and raping underaqge girls and they did nothing to him. It took him murdering an innocent American teen before he was ever arrested and then he was given a a get-off-for-murder -ree card by the Dutchmen that run Aruba.

How about some suggestions?

When a customer is "acting all crazy" maybe someone should call the ALE, Visibility Team, Tourist Police, or 911 for help?  Don't let them leave with strangers.

Anyone check for date rape drugs?

Maybe guys (and girls) should be taught avoid people who are "acting all crazy"?

Maybe you shouldn't take pictures?

jmho


Here's another suggestion. Aruba needs to start prosecuting their rapists and giving them serious prison time. These three guys probably took a page of of Joran's blame-the-victim handbook and knew the Aruban government and Police would protect them, and the Dutch judges if it ever got to court.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 04:33:39 PM

Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.


I agree SS, they are just as guilty. They need to get this girl off the island FAST and back to the States. We know Aruba won't investigate it or charge anyone. They need to be tried in the U.S. media again. Thanks for sending out those alerts!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 04:36:17 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.




Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 14, 2008, 04:37:00 PM
When my daughter went to a friend's Mexican condo, their group met some locals.  They invited the locals to go with them to one of the resort's bars. The locals said, "we aren't allowed in there". Luckily, my daughter's group did not accompany the locals to their spot.  But if I was Aruba, I would crack down on the locals.  Everybody knows the game.  Time for game "over".   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 04:37:08 PM
BBL Monkeys...errands to run...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 14, 2008, 04:41:43 PM
I thought this was interesting,brought over from the last thread....post made by Janet.
Same name as the new AG in aruba?

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 04:42:57 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Destiny

"Brenda" has probably been told to watch her tongue by the "Powers that be" in Aruba after being instrumental in revealing to Beth and Jug shortly after they arrived on the Island that Joran van der Sloot was not a "tourist from Holland" and ... underage Joran gambled at the Excelsior and ... Joran "preyed" on female tourists.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 39


Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."   I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 04:44:47 PM
If anyone has access to CAPS, would you please contact him and alert him that an American rape victim needs help from whomever is there from the States?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 04:45:53 PM
I thought this was interesting,brought over from the last thread....post made by Janet.
Same name as the new AG in aruba?

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


Thanks Karma - they will be telling us it's another one of those common names in Aruba like Croes, Tromp, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 14, 2008, 04:45:55 PM
Frankly, I am surprised Brenda still has a tongue after all this time...but I digress...sorry.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 14, 2008, 04:46:35 PM
If anyone has access to CAPS, would you please contact him and alert him that an American rape victim needs help from whomever is there from the States?  Thanks.


Done. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 04:47:43 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Destiny

"Brenda" has probably been told to watch her tongue by the "Powers that be" in Aruba after being instrumental in revealing to Beth and Jug shortly after they arrived on the Island that Joran van der Sloot was not a "tourist from Holland" and ... underage Joran gambled at the Excelsior and ... Joran "preyed" on female tourists.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 39


Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."   I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

WOW Janet...so the woman who called herself Brenda *is* a manager at the HI...THANKS!!!

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 04:49:54 PM
I thought this was interesting,brought over from the last thread....post made by Janet.
Same name as the new AG in aruba?

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Great catch!!!

IIRC ... Noraina Pietersz was the Security Guard's attorney.

As Beth says everybody is related on the Island of Aruba.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby
April 6, 2006


TWITTY:  ... So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 04:50:21 PM
I also wonder why the 2 front desk ladies...who started feaking out in Pap...passed me off to Brenda??? I didn't ask to be connected with anyone else...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 14, 2008, 04:52:40 PM
I thought this was interesting,brought over from the last thread....post made by Janet.
Same name as the new AG in aruba?

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


Thanks Karma - they will be telling us it's another one of those common names in Aruba like Croes, Tromp, etc.
You're welcome Klaas
Ppppsshhht!
They should just name them all like 6 different names total,so confusing.
:)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 14, 2008, 04:54:11 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Destiny

"Brenda" has probably been told to watch her tongue by the "Powers that be" in Aruba after being instrumental in revealing to Beth and Jug shortly after they arrived on the Island that Joran van der Sloot was not a "tourist from Holland" and ... underage Joran gambled at the Excelsior and ... Joran "preyed" on female tourists.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 39


Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."   I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

WOW Janet...so the woman who called herself Brenda *is* a manager at the HI...THANKS!!!

Destiny
HAHA!Guess Brenda is going back on nights. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 04:54:50 PM
I also wonder why the 2 front desk ladies...who started feaking out in Pap...passed me off to Brenda??? I didn't ask to be connected with anyone else...

Destiny

Because Brenda understands and speaks English better?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 04:55:11 PM
Is this assault story a big news item in Aruba?  Were stories like this previously published in the media?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 04:55:24 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Destiny

"Brenda" has probably been told to watch her tongue by the "Powers that be" in Aruba after being instrumental in revealing to Beth and Jug shortly after they arrived on the Island that Joran van der Sloot was not a "tourist from Holland" and ... underage Joran gambled at the Excelsior and ... Joran "preyed" on female tourists.

Janet

+++++++++++


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 39


Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."   I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.

WOW Janet...so the woman who called herself Brenda *is* a manager at the HI...THANKS!!!

Destiny

IF the two "Brendas" are the same person.  How many "Brendas" do you know?  I only know one?  I would say that chances are good it is the same Brenda.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 14, 2008, 04:55:51 PM
I thought this was interesting,brought over from the last thread....post made by Janet.
Same name as the new AG in aruba?

Noraina Pietersz - Defence Attorney
Associated Press
June 9, 2005

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8079019/


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Great catch!!!

IIRC ... Noraina Pietersz was the Security Guard's attorney.

As Beth says everybody is related on the Island of Aruba.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby
April 6, 2006


TWITTY:  ... So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/
Yeah,the new AG is probably her brother or uncle. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 04:56:30 PM
I also wonder why the 2 front desk ladies...who started feaking out in Pap...passed me off to Brenda??? I didn't ask to be connected with anyone else...

Destiny


Perhaps they were soiling their underware because the Americans had found out about the rape so quickly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 04:59:16 PM
Was it the "last night" on the island for the victim -- or did the locals screw up the M.O.??????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 05:00:01 PM
Is this assault story a big news item in Aruba?  Were stories like this previously published in the media?



Not big news yet.  It was reported in awe24 which seems to be the fastest right now at reporting police action in Aruba.  It's even faster than 24ora. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 05:00:28 PM
I also wonder why the 2 front desk ladies...who started feaking out in Pap...passed me off to Brenda??? I didn't ask to be connected with anyone else...

Destiny

Because Brenda understands and speaks English better?

Nope...first Lady I spoke with spoke...perfect english...it's when I asked about the assault on a HI customer in the last 2 days...she stopped talking to me...started talking to someone else very rapidly in pap...then phone went dead...no ring...then Brenda picked up talking in english...she said she knew i was calling from the US....I then told her about my group of my girlfriends worried about our safety at HI....but hey Klaas....Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:06:05 PM

Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.



Darn right, Helen, they ran out of believability coupons a long time ago.

"They are trying to get her not to bring charges." What kind of shit is that?????? They don't believe that rape is a serious enough crime to prosecute?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 05:06:10 PM
They are swamped  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 05:08:39 PM
LOL Klaas!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:10:00 PM
Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...


Free drink tickets no doubt so you'll get drunk and the locals can rape you. That's the game in Aruba, that's why they pour free whiskey down the tourists throats by the gallon at bars like Carlos & Charlies and Moombas, so the locals can get a free rape out of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:12:20 PM
LOL Klaas!   ::MonkeyHaHa::




Oh but that's a topless beach and the tourists know where the cameras are. ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 05:15:22 PM

Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.



Darn right, Helen, they ran out of believability coupons a long time ago.

"They are trying to get her not to bring charges." What kind of shit is that?????? They don't believe that rape is a serious enough crime to prosecute?


The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

Right!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 05:16:41 PM
a drunk / intoxicated person can not give their consent on Aruba - so, we have possibly three more rapists running around..

Arapist Island

so, regardless of this woman wanting it there was a crime committed here using the words of the ALE guy himself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 05:17:10 PM
Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...


Free drink tickets no doubt so you'll get drunk and the locals can rape have sex with you. That's the game in Aruba, that's why they pour free whiskey down the tourists throats by the gallon at bars like Carlos & Charlies and Moombas, so the locals can get a free rape free sex and take pictures too. out of it.

Dayhiker...

POV - "free rape" should be "free sex"

Is there a warning for the locals too?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 05:17:14 PM
OK...someone give me the number of the hospital on Aruba....TIA...will run errands a little later...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 05:18:24 PM

Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.



Darn right, Helen, they ran out of believability coupons a long time ago.

"They are trying to get her not to bring charges." What kind of shit is that?????? They don't believe that rape is a serious enough crime to prosecute?


The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

Right!   


Klaas ...  HELP!!!

 I lost my "barf" icon.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 05:19:48 PM
Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...


Free drink tickets no doubt so you'll get drunk and the locals can rape have sex with you. That's the game in Aruba, that's why they pour free whiskey down the tourists throats by the gallon at bars like Carlos & Charlies and Moombas, so the locals can get a free rape free sex and take pictures too. out of it.

Dayhiker...

POV - "free rape" should be "free sex"

Is there a warning for the locals too?

Maybe they should just "cut to the chase" and hand out these

(http://www.fabcousa.net/catalog/clipart/markit1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 14, 2008, 05:20:03 PM
They are swamped  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)

The two tourists are crowding the Radisson, for dinner:

http://www.radisson.com/arubawebcam



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:21:08 PM

Darn right, Helen, they ran out of believability coupons a long time ago.

"They are trying to get her not to bring charges." What kind of shit is that?????? They don't believe that rape is a serious enough crime to prosecute?


The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

Right!   


And he knows she was not raped how? Because the three accused of raping her said she wasn't? And she said they did, but they believe the accused of raping her?

The is classic Aruban mindthought in action. Screw the victim, defend the criminals.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 05:22:30 PM
Janet
:smt078

This one?  It's still there for me?  Sometimes I have connection problems, where the connection might be weak and all of the icons don't show up.  You could try rebooting and see if that helps. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 05:24:10 PM

Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.



Darn right, Helen, they ran out of believability coupons a long time ago.

"They are trying to get her not to bring charges." What kind of shit is that?????? They don't believe that rape is a serious enough crime to prosecute?


Can you believe they would say this Dayhiker?  Intimidating her into not bringing charges by launching the story that she wanted to have sex with three strangers on the beach?
No one wants that.  Someone please bring forward any woman who wants that, because I would like to hear a woman say that. 

That is strictly a male fantasy straight from a porn movie.

Total BS rapist cover story.

 ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 05:24:19 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:24:34 PM
Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...


Free drink tickets no doubt so you'll get drunk and the locals can rape have sex with you. That's the game in Aruba, that's why they pour free whiskey down the tourists throats by the gallon at bars like Carlos & Charlies and Moombas, so the locals can get a free rape free sex and take pictures too. out of it.

Dayhiker...

POV - "free rape" should be "free sex"

Is there a warning for the locals too?

Thanks for correcting me on that WhiskeyGirl.  ::MonkeyWink::I shoulda known better.The word "rape" is not in the Aruba dictionary.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 05:25:16 PM
we need to know the names of these animals that seem to think all consensual sex involves multiple males and one drunk female.

We need to know these names as soon as possible. And it won't take us long to connect these new alleged criminals to ones we have already been tracking... we all know that they all know each other...this will be simple because we have a three year head start.

we may not find out the woman's name, but we need the names of these guys and where the live.

I bet we will find some more amazing stuff.

and Klaas, regarding your comment on the other thread - I think this is huge. It's a pattern that makes most of us want to vomit and never ever take anyone we love to that death trap again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 05:27:43 PM
Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel.

Centro Medico: Dr. Rudy Engelbrecht
Pastoor Hendrikstraat 10, San Nicolaas, Aruba
Tel: (297) 584-8833
Medical center equipped with a reputable medical staff and modern medical equipment. Consulting hours are Monday to Friday 8am to 12pm and 3pm to 5pm. Emergency assistance is available 24 hours, seven days a week.   
 

Labco Medical and Homecare Service N.V.
Fergusonstraat 52, P.O. Box 1147, Aruba
Tel: (297) 582-6651 (297) 583-7156 Fax: (297) 582-6567
E-mail: labcolabcomed@hotmail.com
Website: www.labcomedical.com
24-Hour service is available. Free delivery. The company is affiliated with the American Home Healthcare Association as well as the National Oxygen Travel Services of America. They have a close contact with the Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital. Besides leasing or selling medical products, visitors have the possibility of renting products such as walkers, wheelchairs, hospital beds, crutches, commodes, side walkers and a complete system of oxygen therapy with cylinder or concentrators, as well as nebulizers. The Labco Medical and Homecare Service helps the physically disabled feel that they have a home away from home when it concerns their care and special needs.

Posada Clinic Aruba (Center for Hemodialysis)
L.G. Smith Blvd. #14
Oranjestad, Aruba
Tel: (297) 582-0840 Fax: (297) 583-5664
E-mail: posadaaruba@setarnet.aw
“Center for Hemodialysis”
Offers: - 10 Fresenius machines
- standard, single or high flux dialysis
- no-reuse
- each station with its own TV/VCR
- professional, friendly and multilingual staff
- free drinks and snacks.

Reservations are required three months in advance. A written confirmation will follow upon receipt of all required documents and approval of same by the medical staff. Information packet is available upon request.

Lite Life Medicab
Hooiberg kavel E 2
Santa Cruz, Aruba
Tel: (297) 585-9764
Transfer dialyse patients to the hospital and to other private clinics for their treatment. They also provide transfer for disabled people with wheelchairs.
Operate:7:00am-7:00pm from Monday to Saturday
For emergency cases: after 7:00pm and on Sunday

Pro Air Ambulance Services
For Air Ambulance service contact Mr. Richard Rupert. Tel: (297) 582-9197 Fax: (297) 583-2791
Cellular Tel: (297) 592-9050; (297) 993-3226 Home: (297) 584-7671
E-mail address: proair91@hotmail.com
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:27:55 PM

Darn right, Helen, they ran out of believability coupons a long time ago.

"They are trying to get her not to bring charges." What kind of shit is that?????? They don't believe that rape is a serious enough crime to prosecute?


Can you believe they would say this Dayhiker?  Intimidating her into not bringing charges by launching the story that she wanted to have sex with three strangers on the beach?
No one wants that.  Someone please bring forward any woman who wants that, because I would like to hear a woman say that. 

That is strictly a male fantasy straight from a porn movie.

Total BS rapist cover story.

 ::MonkeyCool::



This is why they need to get this girl off the island for her own protection. The longer she is there the worse they will try to make her out to be and threaten her with this kind of propaganda. You can tell they are trying to intimidate her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: sandy leiva on June 14, 2008, 05:31:04 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

This is unbelievable!  Great job Destiny, on getting the story.  If this turns out to be true, and hits the US media.............It's a DISASTER.




Here's what gets me, that's the same spin they tried to put on Natalee. All her fault. Rapists get a free pass in Aruba.

This needs to get out to US media quickly and she needs to be interviewed before they disappear her.


The fact that they are trying to float the exact same story is going to be the nail in the coffin.  NO ONE WILL BUY THIS AND NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THIS LAME SH*T FROM ARUBA AGAIN.

Remember, someone from the "State/s" is on the island.


sent a copy to gretawire.com



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 05:31:07 PM
we need to know the names of these animals that seem to think all consensual sex involves multiple males and one drunk female.

We need to know these names as soon as possible. And it won't take us long to connect these new alleged criminals to ones we have already been tracking... we all know that they all know each other...this will be simple because we have a three year head start.

we may not find out the woman's name, but we need the names of these guys and where the live.

I bet we will find some more amazing stuff.

and Klaas, regarding your comment on the other thread - I think this is huge. It's a pattern that makes most of us want to vomit and never ever take anyone we love to that death trap again.

They have a lot of audacity Rob, to try to talk a victim out of pressing charges. What kind of cop does that?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 05:33:46 PM
Janet
:smt078

This one?  It's still there for me?  Sometimes I have connection problems, where the connection might be weak and all of the icons don't show up.  You could try rebooting and see if that helps. 

Thanks Klaas.

No ... I cannot see that icon but ... youngest son is working on my computer while hubby and I are on a "date" tonight.  He is backing up my files ... upgrading security ... deleting cookies.  I do not have clue what "cookies" is but son claims it is a cause of a lot of my complaints.

Destiny and SS ... thank you for your efforts.

Have a nice evening Monkeys.

Janet
2:30 PM

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 05:39:56 PM
ROB...does it say in the article...which hospital she was taken to?   TIA....and Big Thanks for #s SS..Des


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 05:42:09 PM
we need to know the names of these animals that seem to think all consensual sex involves multiple males and one drunk female.

We need to know these names as soon as possible. And it won't take us long to connect these new alleged criminals to ones we have already been tracking... we all know that they all know each other...this will be simple because we have a three year head start.

we may not find out the woman's name, but we need the names of these guys and where the live.

I bet we will find some more amazing stuff.

and Klaas, regarding your comment on the other thread - I think this is huge. It's a pattern that makes most of us want to vomit and never ever take anyone we love to that death trap again.

They have a lot of audacity Rob, to try to talk a victim out of pressing charges. What kind of cop does that?

Aaaahhhh...one in lockstep with AHATA....my guess....need those tourist dollars to meet those paychecks....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: sandy leiva on June 14, 2008, 05:46:05 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.


Klass is this posted on front page?  Can we post it there? just sent info out to kimberly guilfoil, greta and geraldo .Was that ok? Sorry if I shoulndt have but if we want to get this in the media these are some guys that will look into it. They promised annonimity.  sl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 05:48:08 PM
The Oduber Hospital is located in this block somewhere. I'm having trouble finding the exact building due to it's odd 1970's looking shape. I'll find it eventually

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/EAGLEBEACH6.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 05:48:51 PM
Thanks to SS...called the HI 011l297 586 3600

Told them that I and 5 other girlfriends were planning a vacation to Aruba, and planning on staying at the HI...but, That I got an emial from one of our group...about the article regarding the assault of one of their customers...person I was talking with in english...then started talking very rapidly to someone else, another woman, I could hear them in Pap...then I was passed to another line, that was picked up by a woman named Brenda...she claimed to be the manager of HI...she said she know nothing about any assault...I told her a friend of mine had emailed me an article about the assault...Brenda then said she is going to check it out right now...that maybe an assault did take place, but it was not reported to her, because the assault happened on the beach...Brenda asked me what beach was in the article...I told her Eagle Beach...Brenda assured me and my group. that Eagle Beach was not even close to the HI...and that if there was a HI guest that got very drunk and was assaulted...they might not want to report it to the HI.  Brenda then assured me that Aruba is VERY SAFE...and that when my group gets there, to please come visit her at the HI for some complimentary goodies...nice huh...


Any Aruban who tries in any way to cover up the stuff that is going on is as guilty as the perps.  Thanks for calling, Destiny.  I hope that as soon as they hung up from you, they found my email on their computer.  I contacted NBC and Associated Press in NY.  Maybe they will pick up the story.


Klass is this posted on front page?  Can we post it there? just sent info out to kimberly guilfoil, greta and geraldo .Was that ok? Sorry if I shoulndt have but if we want to get this in the media these are some guys that will look into it. They promised annonimity.  sl

Hi Sandy - not posted on the front page of SM yet.  I think Red is waiting to get more info from his contacts in Aruba.  Great idea sending to Greta, Kimberly and Geraldo!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 05:49:59 PM
The Oduber Hospital is located in this block somewhere. I'm having trouble finding the exact building due to it's odd 1970's looking shape. I'll find it eventually

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/EAGLEBEACH6.jpg)

I have the number *thanks SS* to that hosp...will call that one now...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 05:51:15 PM
Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 14, 2008, 06:00:45 PM
DESTINY - did you get any sense about the 3 guys that raped her, if they were also tourists or if they were locals?

Locals...

I wonder of teeny weenie...came home for Father's Day...do they celebrate that in Aruba?

Nice work Destiny...interesting, but not surprising. Echos of an all too familiar story, indeed. Pathetic.

AND.........LMFAO @ large letters above, lmaooooooo!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 14, 2008, 06:04:02 PM
I wish we were all mature enough for our very own 'edit' button  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 06:04:57 PM
This is the hospital - and it's hard to find on Google Earth

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL3.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 06:14:28 PM
I tried Beach Patrol...they won't tell me squat...gave me another number and name to call on Monday Morning....

NEXT:...gimme # of Moombas Club....will call them now...
Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 14, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
Hiya Monkeys

I am sick about the American tourist. SSDD as everyone was fed about Natalee.
I can tell you why they try to talk them out of prosecuting/reporting..
It goes against their crime stats & is more proof that damned rock needs to be sunk.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 06:19:01 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 06:23:34 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.






Do you think I should not make anymore calls?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 06:24:40 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL6.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL7.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ODUBERHOSPITAL9.jpg)

I'm 90% sure I have the right building - and you can see it looks nothing like the photograph when compared to the Google Earth image.

This building is hard to miss when drive up LG Smith Blvd. It sits back off the highway and is quite tall compared to the other buildings around it. So it stands out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 06:26:58 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.






Do you think I should not make anymore calls?
JMO -- we need to call someone on the island who we TRUST ( ::MonkeyConfused::) who can immediately assist/protect this woman!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 06:28:26 PM
I we can get her name...we can call the FBI...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 06:32:09 PM
Brenda is going to comp us to goodies when we get there....LOL...


Free drink tickets no doubt so you'll get drunk and the locals can rape have sex with you. That's the game in Aruba, that's why they pour free whiskey down the tourists throats by the gallon at bars like Carlos & Charlies and Moombas, so the locals can get a free rape free sex and take pictures too. out of it.

Dayhiker...

POV - "free rape" should be "free sex"

Is there a warning for the locals too?

Maybe they should just "cut to the chase" and hand out these

(http://www.fabcousa.net/catalog/clipart/markit1.jpg)

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/ArubaSucks.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 14, 2008, 06:33:13 PM
The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

 This is total BS, they have no respect for woman and  to post her picture in the paper is BS.
I'm just glad she is alive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 14, 2008, 06:35:25 PM
Rather than have the victim's name, I would prefer to have the perps names. I am sure she needs time to deal with what has happened & get her backbone built up to be able to withstand the garbage Aruba will throw at her. I hope she knows about Natalee & contacts Beth for support. If she happens to read here, I hope she knows the monkeys will stand with her too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 06:37:04 PM
San   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Destiny - it's a waste of time to call Moomba's.  I don't think the hospital or ALE should be giving you the tourists name (not saying they won't screw up and give it to you though)  Patient privacy and all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 14, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
I we can get her name...we can call the FBI...

FBI can't do $hit... she left the USA.
 She has no rights in Aruba she will be classified as a drunk woman who wanted  to have sex with three men.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 06:37:29 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.




Do you think I should not make anymore calls?
JMO -- we need to call someone on the island who we TRUST ( ::MonkeyConfused::) who can immediately assist/protect this woman!!!!!

There is no one on that island that will protect this woman.  If someone comes forward it is for a reason and the reason is to get info for Aruba.  JMO.

This woman needs to come back to the states and go all over the TV and tell what happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 06:40:34 PM
The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

 This is total BS, they have no respect for woman and  to post her picture in the paper is BS.
I'm just glad she is alive.


This reminds me of the mother that was photo'd as she went looking for her daughter...media show.

Maybe the three males didn't have permission to photograph her?  How long is "after the fact"? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 06:41:56 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.






Helen ... you are so right.  Aruba is going into damage control at this moment and ... Rudy Croes is in full command.

I pray that the victim's Mother will take the reins and ... something akin to Beth Holloway ... will refuse to be intimidated by the "powers that be" in Aruba and ... will "publicly" demand justice for her daughter.

Sandy ... contacting Kimberly, Greta and Geraldo ...

Your actions may be the catalyst which will prevent the crime against this girl from becoming a coverup.  Your actions may be the catalyst that will provide the support which will give the victim the required strength to follow through and ... not retreat.

Thank you Sandy.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 06:42:55 PM
On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 06:44:10 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.




Do you think I should not make anymore calls?
JMO -- we need to call someone on the island who we TRUST ( ::MonkeyConfused::) who can immediately assist/protect this woman!!!!!

There is no one on that island that will protect this woman.  If someone comes forward it is for a reason and the reason is to get info for Aruba.  JMO.

This woman needs to come back to the states and go all over the TV and tell what happened.
Ya think Renfro has volunteered her help yet??? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 14, 2008, 06:45:23 PM

Ya think Renfro has volunteered her help yet??? ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 06:48:15 PM

Ya think Renfro has volunteered her help yet??? ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

good point

probably offering a few weeks free vacation back to Arapist Island for next year. That's how stooopid they think we are. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 14, 2008, 06:48:20 PM
Hello Monkeys!!
No time to catch up...just taking a quick break at work...Snoopy's beautiful daughter and son-in-law are house hunting!!! We found a terrific one!!! Heading back down to show the in-laws!! Say a prayer for them!! It is a terrific house!!!

o/t real quick.

Thank you thank you Monkeys for your generous donations to the Race for the Cure!!!

Posted an update in the thread Klaas started for me. You all are simply the best!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 14, 2008, 06:49:34 PM
I can hear it now-

that's not how the mother of a raped girl should act

GAK!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: sandy leiva on June 14, 2008, 06:52:36 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.






Helen ... you are so right.  Aruba is going into damage control at this moment and ... Rudy Croes is in full command.

I pray that the victim's Mother will take the reins and ... something akin to Beth Holloway ... will refuse to be intimidated by the "powers that be" in Aruba and ... will "publicly" demand justice for her daughter.

Sandy ... contacting Kimberly, Greta and Geraldo ...

Your actions may be the catalyst which will prevent the crime against this girl from becoming a coverup.  Your actions may be the catalyst that will provide the support which will give the victim the required strength to follow through and ... not retreat.

Thank you Sandy.

Janet



I hope that this woman has the stregnth to do what she must all the time knowing that this is something very difficult to do. I am sure she does not want her situation to be repeated, and I am glad she went to the hospital.I wish that there is some sort of rape counseling she could get.     Damm Aruba


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: yapperz1 on June 14, 2008, 07:00:01 PM
The very fact the lady made a police report & went to the hospital leads me to believe nothing was consentual. I agree with Sandy, DAMN that island full of criminals, rapists & murderers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 07:09:08 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

Patient privacy and all.  I have a feeling the ALE is going to be fielding a lot of questions very soon.  Bet the scramble is on at Rudy's house.

The poor woman who was assaulted will be at the center of a huge inquiry.  I hope that she is ready and has some support.






Do you think I should not make anymore calls?

Hey Destiny,

I think you have done a great job and have kept this news story from being swept under the rug and completely covered up. 

I think the victim of rape deserves the opportunity to deal with it as best they can and in their own time, but at least she is alive and went to the hospital.   I hope they did a tox screen and don't lose the results.  I am much more interested in getting the names of the suspects than the victim.  While her picture has been splashed about the news in Aruba, I'm sure we'll get the initials of the suspects, a bunch of scrambled up names that are all spelled wrong, and no pictures of them. 

I'm just feeling for the victim, that's all.  If she's really strong, maybe she'll be willing to talk to the media.









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 07:10:31 PM

There is no one on that island that will protect this woman.  If someone comes forward it is for a reason and the reason is to get info for Aruba.  JMO.

This woman needs to come back to the states and go all over the TV and tell what happened.


They have probably gotten the three males together so they can get their story straight. They don't do any honest police work. They should have seperated the three bastards and interrogated them.

Yep, this girl's mother needs to get her off the island and they need to come to the U.S. and let the U.S. media put them on trial in the court of public opinion. Aruba will do nothing to help her, they are already trying to damage her reputation just like they tried to do with Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 07:15:37 PM
The very fact the lady made a police report & went to the hospital leads me to believe nothing was consentual. I agree with Sandy, DAMN that island full of criminals, rapists & murderers.


The fact that they don't take this girl seriously and are already spinning in favor of the three suspects tells you that is business as usual on Aruba. This girl can sink that island when she returns.

Joran admitted to raping Natalee under the terms and definitions of Dutch law and they did nothing. They are trying to pull the same shit again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 07:15:56 PM

There is no one on that island that will protect this woman.  If someone comes forward it is for a reason and the reason is to get info for Aruba.  JMO.

This woman needs to come back to the states and go all over the TV and tell what happened.


They have probably gotten the three males together so they can get their story straight. They don't do any honest police work. They should have seperated the three bastards and interrogated them.

Yep, this girl's mother needs to get her off the island and they need to come to the U.S. and let the U.S. media put them on trial in the court of public opinion. Aruba will do nothing to help her, they are already trying to damage her reputation just like they tried to do with Natalee.


Dennis Jacobs will tell them all in a room OK boys this is what we did for Joran and the Kalpoes.  Do as we say and nothing will happen.  Make sure you get your stories straight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 07:18:20 PM
The very fact the lady made a police report & went to the hospital leads me to believe nothing was consentual. I agree with Sandy, DAMN that island full of criminals, rapists & murderers.


The fact that they don't take this girl seriously and are already spinning in favor of the three suspects tells you that is business as usual on Aruba. This girl can sink that island when she returns.

Joran admitted to raping Natalee under the terms and definitions of Dutch law and they did nothing. They are trying to pull the same shit again.


If they say she was that drunk she was in no condition to agree to anything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 07:20:34 PM
This article should be sent to the NYDaily news.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 07:20:45 PM

There is no one on that island that will protect this woman.  If someone comes forward it is for a reason and the reason is to get info for Aruba.  JMO.

This woman needs to come back to the states and go all over the TV and tell what happened.


They have probably gotten the three males together so they can get their story straight. They don't do any honest police work. They should have seperated the three bastards and interrogated them.

Yep, this girl's mother needs to get her off the island and they need to come to the U.S. and let the U.S. media put them on trial in the court of public opinion. Aruba will do nothing to help her, they are already trying to damage her reputation just like they tried to do with Natalee.


Dennis Jacobs will tell them all in a room OK boys this is what we did for Joran and the Kalpoes.  Do as we say and nothing will happen.  Make sure you get your stories straight.


Yep San, and nothing will happen. In the U.S. this girl would have been taken seriously. Not on Aruba. Watch this play out, Aruba government and their Dutch judges will find a way not to convict anybody. That's their MO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 14, 2008, 07:28:34 PM
Lets hope when she gets home to the USA we will here the real story.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 14, 2008, 07:30:49 PM
Someone should post this on Greta's blog


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 07:32:58 PM
On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...



Destiny - You have done absolutely the correct things by making the contacts that you made.  We don't know who the other woman was in the picture.  Most likely, she's a female ALE officer.  This American woman might be on that island by herself.  She has obviously made the choice to be public about what happened, because she filed charges against the three men.  This is a very courageous woman and I think that she needs our help.  She needs a very strong support system.  Right now, we need to let ALE, AHATA, the press, the hotels, and the people of Aruba know that American citizens are watching from the get go.  They need to know that we aren't going to be suckered into the same game that Aruba played before.  They are no doubt bullying this newest victim, humiliating her, and pushing her to drop charges.  She needs to know that there is a force behind her that ALE and AHATA have already learned that they don't want to confront.  We need to find someone on Aruba who can find this woman and give direct help.  Does anyone know anyone who would help?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 07:44:43 PM
On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...



Destiny - You have done absolutely the correct things by making the contacts that you made.  We don't know who the other woman was in the picture.  Most likely, she's a female ALE officer.  This American woman might be on that island by herself.  She has obviously made the choice to be public about what happened, because she filed charges against the three men.  This is a very courageous woman and I think that she needs our help.  She needs a very strong support system.  Right now, we need to let ALE, AHATA, the press, the hotels, and the people of Aruba know that American citizens are watching from the get go.  They need to know that we aren't going to be suckered into the same game that Aruba played before.  They are no doubt bullying this newest victim, humiliating her, and pushing her to drop charges.  She needs to know that there is a force behind her that ALE and AHATA have already learned that they don't want to confront.  We need to find someone on Aruba who can find this woman and give direct help.  Does anyone know anyone who would help?

I'm sure the international friends of Aruba have their moles in place.

This girl needs to not drop these charges and come home and get a lawyer.  There aren't any lawyers in Aruba who can help her.  They are all on one side and that is Aruba.  Whether you are the attorney for the victim or the perps they are all the the same side and will make sure the Arubans get off.

The only time it worked was when they wrongly accused the security guards and that is because they lived in Aruba and the world was watching.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 07:44:52 PM
Here was Aruba's ONLY golden opportunity to do things "right". They could have mobilized their crack ALE staff to show the world they take tourists safety seriously. They could try to show the world that the Natalee Holloway situation was a "fluke", once in a lifetime aborration. They could have shown they have a heart. They could have gotten it right this time. They could have.........................................







(they didn't/won't)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 14, 2008, 07:46:53 PM
I think this is the Oduber Hospital. I remember it being near the tip of the island where the hotels stop and Aruba becomes industrial.

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/SunFreak2/GOOGLE%20EARTH/OduberHospital.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 07:47:57 PM
Thanks Sunfreak!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 07:49:20 PM
The newspaper article really bothers me.  Three Aruban men just happened to pick up a strange American woman in a popular bar, and this woman just happened to sexually desire all three of them, and the three men just happened to have photographic equipment with them on the beach.  I don't think so, not even for a second do I buy into this scenario.  This is drug, rape, and tape.  It's the popular Aruban male game.  Aruba hasn't learned a damn thing from Natalee's tragedy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 14, 2008, 07:52:52 PM
The people who are promoting tourism on Aruba need to stand back a minute and see how their response looks to others. First, they say "Come to our happy island. Eat, drink (lots and lots), and be merry." Then, when one of the tourists is attacked, they say "It's her own fault. She drank too much."

Hmmmm.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 07:55:56 PM
From the previous thread - tourist rape victim:

The article Rob posted (above, this page ... )

http://www.awe24.com/ (http://www.awe24.com/)

AUTORIDAD TA INVESTIGANDO UN CASO SERIO DI VIOLACION DI UN TURISTA DIABIERNA MADRUGA

Un turista, cu ta hospeda na un hotel na Eagle Beach, den oranan di diabierna madruga, a ser viola sexualmente. Esaki sigur no ta un bon propaganda pa nos industria turistico. Di acuerdo cu e informacionnan cu nos a haya, despues cu ayera mainta, e victima a ser hiba Hospital pa un chequeo medico pa confirma e hecho di violacion. KZP y Cuerpo di Recherche ta investigando e caso aki. No ta conoci, si e dama a keda viola riba beach dilanti di su hotel, of  ta den kamber di su hotel.

Online Pap translation:

autoridad is investigando one caso earnest of violacion of one tourist diabierna madruga

one tourist, cu is hospeda at one hotel at eagle beach, in oranan of diabierna madruga, owing to being viola sexualmente. this assure do not one good propaganda for we industry turistico. of acuerdo cu the informacionnan cu we owing to achieve, after cu yesterday morning, the victima owing to being take away hospital for one chequeo medico for confirma the mature of violacion. kzp y cuerpo of recherche is investigando the caso here. do not conoci, if the lady owing to stay viola on beach fast of his hotel, or is in bedroom of his hotel.

So this is this is saying that a tourist was sexually attacked and that it's not good propaganda for the tourist industry?

it says exactly that

here are the images - looks like the police just dropped her off at the hospital

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista1.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista2.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista3.jpg)

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/assaultedturista4.jpg)

I'm sure she got real good care over that the Oduber hospital, and I'm sure the rape kid was not compromised, and I'm sure the DNA was preserved. ::MonkeyRoll::





Posted by Destiny in the previous thread:

KLAAS...just got off the phone...you are not gonna believe this!!!  Please promise me that you will take this over to the new thread, when you lock this one K?

Straight from the mouth of the ALE...The rape victim is a US/American tourist...early 30's...staying at Holiday Inn...went to Moombas Bar...there ALE said she got very drunk...then left with THREE guys and went to the beach with them at night...TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM...sheesh...

This part reels my mind!!!...ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of the guys...sworn statements from the guys are all the same to this account...the American tourist woman only got mad when the 3 guys started taking pictures of her...so she has filed a false report to get the 3 guys in trouble...I DON'T FU*KIN' BELIEVE IT!!!

Also...they are trying to talk her out of filing charges against the 3 guys...but, she wants to pursue the charges...but...ALE told me that she got herself into this situation by getting drunk at Moombas...and leaving with 3 guys she didn't know...and ALE told me she wanted to have sex with all 3 of them...

Klaas...I will send to your banana basket the name and number of the ALE dude who told me all of this...

Destiny

I will give this a little bump for those just peeking in...

I wonder if she was be tested for STDs?  Did she just wake up on the beach?  I have to wonder at the 'rest of the story'.

It looks like it is daylight in those pictures, and I have to wonder at the timimg.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 07:56:22 PM
On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...



Destiny - You have done absolutely the correct things by making the contacts that you made.  We don't know who the other woman was in the picture.  Most likely, she's a female ALE officer.  This American woman might be on that island by herself.  She has obviously made the choice to be public about what happened, because she filed charges against the three men.  This is a very courageous woman and I think that she needs our help.  She needs a very strong support system.  Right now, we need to let ALE, AHATA, the press, the hotels, and the people of Aruba know that American citizens are watching from the get go.  They need to know that we aren't going to be suckered into the same game that Aruba played before.  They are no doubt bullying this newest victim, humiliating her, and pushing her to drop charges.  She needs to know that there is a force behind her that ALE and AHATA have already learned that they don't want to confront.  We need to find someone on Aruba who can find this woman and give direct help.  Does anyone know anyone who would help?

You are so right about this, SS.  And the fact that this woman went to the police and the hospital demonstrates that she is serious. 

I'm glad that because of Destiny's calls, they know we are aware and watching.

Wreck, you are right about the ALE.  The last three years have taught them NOTHING.

Lala's has notified CAPS, so let's hope there is some help on the island.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
The newspaper article really bothers me.  Three Aruban men just happened to pick up a strange American woman in a popular bar, and this woman just happened to sexually desire all three of them, and the three men just happened to have photographic equipment with them on the beach.  I don't think so, not even for a second do I buy into this scenario.  This is drug, rape, and tape.  It's the popular Aruban male game.  Aruba hasn't learned a damn thing from Natalee's tragedy.

They kidnapped her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 08:04:23 PM
Here was Aruba's ONLY golden opportunity to do things "right". They could have mobilized their crack ALE staff to show the world they take tourists safety seriously. They could try to show the world that the Natalee Holloway situation was a "fluke", once in a lifetime aborration. They could have shown they have a heart. They could have gotten it right this time. They could have........................................

(they didn't/won't)


This is their typical kneejerk reaction to a female victim. I said it earlier, this is an island dominated by Dutch males and women don't count for shit to them. Throw in their precious tourism and their first response is to blame the victim. We are watching the same scenario play out as it did in Natalee's case. This is all they know how to do, they don't learn their lessons well.

Best thing that can happen here is to let the U.S. media jerk another knot in their heads.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 08:08:28 PM
The people who are promoting tourism on Aruba need to stand back a minute and see how their response looks to others. First, they say "Come to our happy island. Eat, drink (lots and lots), and be merry." Then, when one of the tourists is attacked, they say "It's her own fault. She drank too much."

Hmmmm.....


Look at the photos of the bartenders holding the girls' heads back and pouring free drinks down their throats. This is the REAL ARUBA. Somebody needs to send some of these photos to Greta.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 14, 2008, 08:08:39 PM
Flashback Flashback Flashback

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 14, 2008, 08:08:43 PM
The dark haired woman looks like she is holding her hip in all of the pictures.  I wonder if the three men hurt her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 08:09:58 PM
What is the news source for this article/picture?

Was this woman alone?  With a group?  Maybe she missed her flight home?

Any other media pick up the story?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 08:10:54 PM
Next thing we will here is that they said the girl said they are slaves where she comes from and her mother was hitler's sister.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 08:11:38 PM
This story certainly won't be "good tourism propaganda" for the Caribbean trade show in DC.

Where's J4N?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 08:11:46 PM
The newspaper article really bothers me.  Three Aruban men just happened to pick up a strange American woman in a popular bar, and this woman just happened to sexually desire all three of them, and the three men just happened to have photographic equipment with them on the beach.  I don't think so, not even for a second do I buy into this scenario.  This is drug, rape, and tape.  It's the popular Aruban male game.  Aruba hasn't learned a damn thing from Natalee's tragedy.


Where is Hans Mos? Probably holed up in some backroom with the AHATA gang figuring out how they can spin the Dutch legal system so that it fails this girl.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 08:12:28 PM
Flashback Flashback Flashback

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw



Yes, that's the first thing I thought of.  I'm sure we will be told that it's a common name  ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 08:12:47 PM
On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...



Destiny - You have done absolutely the correct things by making the contacts that you made.  We don't know who the other woman was in the picture.  Most likely, she's a female ALE officer.  This American woman might be on that island by herself.  She has obviously made the choice to be public about what happened, because she filed charges against the three men.  This is a very courageous woman and I think that she needs our help.  She needs a very strong support system.  Right now, we need to let ALE, AHATA, the press, the hotels, and the people of Aruba know that American citizens are watching from the get go.  They need to know that we aren't going to be suckered into the same game that Aruba played before.  They are no doubt bullying this newest victim, humiliating her, and pushing her to drop charges.  She needs to know that there is a force behind her that ALE and AHATA have already learned that they don't want to confront.  We need to find someone on Aruba who can find this woman and give direct help.  Does anyone know anyone who would help?

You are so right about this, SS.  And the fact that this woman went to the police and the hospital demonstrates that she is serious. 

I'm glad that because of Destiny's calls, they know we are aware and watching.

Wreck, you are right about the ALE.  The last three years have taught them NOTHING.

Lala's has notified CAPS, so let's hope there is some help on the island.






Too late all...already called Moombas...got a first name from Bar Manager...got his name too...he said she had been there every evening until 3 nights ago...he did confirm that she left with 3 local guys...he said he didn't know their names...he did ask me if I was her Mother...strange huh....I told him no...just a friend..that she had left me a VM to call her...he did confirm that the ALE did come in with questions about the incident...and that she was staying at the Holiday Inn...I'll email the first name to Klaas...Bar Manager also confirmed her age as very early 30's...my bad...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 08:13:10 PM
The newspaper article really bothers me.  Three Aruban men just happened to pick up a strange American woman in a popular bar, and this woman just happened to sexually desire all three of them, and the three men just happened to have photographic equipment with them on the beach.  I don't think so, not even for a second do I buy into this scenario.  This is drug, rape, and tape.  It's the popular Aruban male game.  Aruba hasn't learned a damn thing from Natalee's tragedy.


Where is Hans Mos? Probably holed up in some backroom with the AHATA gang figuring out how they can spin the Dutch legal system so that it fails this girl.

Han's first question.  Were any of them Dutch   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 08:14:07 PM
Flashback Flashback Flashback

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw



Yes, that's the first thing I thought of.  I'm sure we will be told that it's a common name  ::MonkeyWink:: 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  So true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 08:14:38 PM
What is the news source for this article/picture?

Was this woman alone?  With a group?  Maybe she missed her flight home?

Any other media pick up the story?

The source is awe24.  They seem to publish more of the police activity and car accidents, sooner than the other online resources.  The other sites haven't picked up on the story yet and I don't know if they will.  If they do it probably won't be until tomorrow or Monday.

Scroll down for the story:

http://www.awe24.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 14, 2008, 08:16:40 PM
The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

 This is total BS, they have no respect for woman and  to post her picture in the paper is BS.
I'm just glad she is alive.


This reminds me of the mother that was photo'd as she went looking for her daughter...media show.

Maybe the three males didn't have permission to photograph her?  How long is "after the fact"? 

"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 08:20:30 PM
Destiny - check your email regarding Moomba's. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 14, 2008, 08:21:17 PM
On the other hand San...the more Arubans in official positions that know...she is being watched like a hawk by others...the less chance of something bad happening to her...and we can let her know...when she gets back...that we back her up...but that's just how my little mind works...but, I'll stop making calls...the last call I was going to make was to Moombas...the last place she was seen, leaving with 3 guys...but I won't do that....Moombas must know her name...because the ALE did go and talk with them after her report....but I won't call...




Destiny - You have done absolutely the correct things by making the contacts that you made.  We don't know who the other woman was in the picture.  Most likely, she's a female ALE officer.  This American woman might be on that island by herself.  She has obviously made the choice to be public about what happened, because she filed charges against the three men.  This is a very courageous woman and I think that she needs our help.  She needs a very strong support system.  Right now, we need to let ALE, AHATA, the press, the hotels, and the people of Aruba know that American citizens are watching from the get go.  They need to know that we aren't going to be suckered into the same game that Aruba played before.  They are no doubt bullying this newest victim, humiliating her, and pushing her to drop charges.  She needs to know that there is a force behind her that ALE and AHATA have already learned that they don't want to confront.  We need to find someone on Aruba who can find this woman and give direct help.  Does anyone know anyone who would help?

You are so right about this, SS.  And the fact that this woman went to the police and the hospital demonstrates that she is serious. 

I'm glad that because of Destiny's calls, they know we are aware and watching.

Wreck, you are right about the ALE.  The last three years have taught them NOTHING.

Lala's has notified CAPS, so let's hope there is some help on the island.






Too late all...already called Moombas...got a first name from Bar Manager...got his name too...he said she had been there every evening until 3 nights ago...he did confirm that she left with 3 local guys...he said he didn't know their names...he did ask me if I was her Mother...strange huh....I told him no...just a friend..that she had left me a VM to call her...he did confirm that the ALE did come in with questions about the incident...and that she was staying at the Holiday Inn...I'll email the first name to Klaas...Bar Manager also confirmed her age as very early 30's...my bad...

Not bad, Destiny.  The story's already out.  It's only a matter of time once a report is made. 

Maybe we will learn more about what actually happened, and how the ALE is handling it.

For starters, did they manage to confiscate the camera(s)?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 08:24:01 PM
KLAAS 2 IN BANANA BASKET...URGENT...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 14, 2008, 08:28:19 PM
For medical assistance ALL hotels have a doctor on call 24 hours a day; check with the front desk. Aruba has a first class hospital just a few minutes from the hotel sector and an emergency room staffed 24 hrs. Tel. (297) 587-4300.

Dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital
Sasakiweg, Aruba.
Tel: (297) 587-4300 Fax: (297) 587-3348
Hotels have medical doctors and dentists on call. Appointments can be made through your hotel

First man who answered the phone said that currently there is on one American in the hospital...and it is a man...he then transfered me to emergency room...man there on the phone said he cannot tell me anything...I must call the ALE with any questions...hmmmmmmmmm...so the games begin...

Destiny...

No that is the way it would be anywhere. No information can be given. It sounds as though things are as strict in the ER there as here. We are not even allowed to tell a caller if a particular patient is in the ER.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 08:31:31 PM
The Officer from ALE told me she was not raped...she wanted it from all 3 guys...she only got mad when they photographed her...and reported it after the fact because she was mad...

 This is total BS, they have no respect for woman and  to post her picture in the paper is BS.
I'm just glad she is alive.


This reminds me of the mother that was photo'd as she went looking for her daughter...media show.

Maybe the three males didn't have permission to photograph her?  How long is "after the fact"? 

"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn

Yes, I've read something like that before.  hmm...  have to ensure they do not violate suspect rights...privacy, etc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 08:53:19 PM
"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn


Dutch judge will say the three suspects had no way of knowing she was drunk so they are the real victims. Judge will order the girl arrested and held for the maximum 121 days until she apologizes to the three men for taking advantage of them. That's the way their system works.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 08:56:11 PM
What is the news source for this article/picture?

Was this woman alone?  With a group?  Maybe she missed her flight home?

Any other media pick up the story?

The source is awe24.  They seem to publish more of the police activity and car accidents, sooner than the other online resources.  The other sites haven't picked up on the story yet and I don't know if they will.  If they do it probably won't be until tomorrow or Monday.

Scroll down for the story:

http://www.awe24.com/


Klaas, when did we first see this story hit? TIA.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 09:03:43 PM
"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn


Dutch judge will say the three suspects had no way of knowing she was drunk so they are the real victims. Judge will order the girl arrested and held for the maximum 121 days until she apologizes to the three men for taking advantage of them. That's the way their system works.

Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 09:07:31 PM
Arrests on suspicions?

Where has this young woman been and for how long?

Was she being held by ALE? 

Held long enough to get stories from the suspects, arrests, and THEN taken to the hospital?

Maybe 24-48 hours later?  Long enough to lose any chemical traces lingering in her blood? 

BAC anyone?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Pita on June 14, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn


Dutch judge will say the three suspects had no way of knowing she was drunk so they are the real victims. Judge will order the girl arrested and held for the maximum 121 days until she apologizes to the three men for taking advantage of them. That's the way their system works.

Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?

Moomba's is quite a distance from the Red Light district (San Nichols area), which is down by the refinery.   IMO, the three men knew exactly what they were doing, just as Joran and the Kalpoes did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 09:12:05 PM
Arrests on suspicions?

Where has this young woman been and for how long?

Was she being held by ALE? 

Held long enough to get stories from the suspects, arrests, and THEN taken to the hospital?

Maybe 24-48 hours later?  Long enough to lose any chemical traces lingering in her blood? 

BAC anyone?
If you go back to page 1 of this thread and read Destiny's post -- you will know what we know. Everything else is speculation at this point.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 09:12:19 PM
"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn


Dutch judge will say the three suspects had no way of knowing she was drunk so they are the real victims. Judge will order the girl arrested and held for the maximum 121 days until she apologizes to the three men for taking advantage of them. That's the way their system works.

Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?

They were locals


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
"after the fact" is anytime after the rape occurred.  on aruba, in order for the judicial system to function properly, rapes must be reported before they occur so there can be a judge or at least a prosecutor on site to protect the  rapists from any undue resistance or violence by the victim.  it's aruba, you know.
dennisintn


Dutch judge will say the three suspects had no way of knowing she was drunk so they are the real victims. Judge will order the girl arrested and held for the maximum 121 days until she apologizes to the three men for taking advantage of them. That's the way their system works.

Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?

Moomba's is quite a distance from the Red Light district (San Nichols area), which is down by the refinery.   IMO, the three men knew exactly what they were doing, just as Joran and the Kalpoes did.

Exactly Pita. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 14, 2008, 09:22:35 PM
Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?

They were locals



Only way Aruba can keep these rapes from happening is to create local-free zones for the tourists to be totally isolated from the Aruban and Dutch males. The way it is set up now bars like Carlos & Charlies are setting up the locals to rape the tourist girls by pouring drinks and drugs down their throats.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 09:30:52 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-tourist-woman-reports-rape-in-aruba-on-eagle-beach/

Aruba: Tourist Woman Reports Rape in Aruba on Eagle Beach


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: yuknomenot on June 14, 2008, 09:32:04 PM
The dark haired woman looks like she is holding her hip in all of the pictures.  I wonder if the three men hurt her.

I thought it looked like she was holding up her pants, you know the pants she ripped from herself when she attacked those 3 innocent local males.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: That place becomes more of a cesspool by the minute second.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
Does it indicate anywhere if the three men were locals or tourists?  Students from Holland?

How far is Moombas from the Red Light district?  Maybe the three men were confused or lost?

They were locals


Only way Aruba can keep these rapes from happening is to create local-free zones for the tourists to be totally isolated from the Aruban and Dutch males. The way it is set up now bars like Carlos & Charlies are setting up the locals to rape the tourist girls by pouring drinks and drugs down their throats.

Yes, maybe the bars are where the finger is pointing.  Maybe they set  up the suspect males by over serving tourist females? 

I wonder if the local bars have to get permits to serve alcohol?  I wonder if the local community can have the permit revoked?

Maybe make the district and "alcohol free zone"?  Food, soft drinks, and dancing only?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 09:39:51 PM
There are several things that keep rolling around my little brain after multiple calls to multiple places today on Aruba...

#1...the ALE officer was so quick to tell me how very druck she was...how she instigated the sex on the beach...and only filed rape charges against the innocent 3 local guys after they took photos of her...and she got mad....He know I was calling from the US...I always tell them right off the bat.

He was trying to illicit sympathy from me for the 3 guys.

#2 I called 3 other ALE agencies...and was told they had heard nothing about it.

#4 I called beach patrol...they knew...but seemed very anxious...and insisted I call early Monday AM to another # and name they gave to me...after jabbering all to each other in pap and raising their voices at each other...no laughing this time..like when I called them regarding the NH case a long time ago...

#4...the Call to Moombas...after telling my story...I was put on hold...then passed to the bar manager....we talked some...and at one point in our conversation he..out of the blue...asked me if I was the girls' mother...that seemed very strange to me...

just mulling the days events over...TIA for any feedback...sometimes making these calls can be a bit draining...but I still give good phone....and the best on weekend..cause you get the weekend staff...the ones who feels left out of the loop on their own turf....they like to talk more....

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 09:41:31 PM
FYI - for those that haven't read the update on the front page of SM, JOSSY has confirmed that a woman was raped and ALE did take her to the hospital. 

UPDATE I: Confirmation of woman’s story in Aruba

We have talked to sources in Aruba and have confirmed that a woman has reported a rape to police.

I was able to confirm the news. It happened on the Eagle beach, in the area of the low-rise hotels. The victim did go to the hospital accompanied by the police. We don’t know yet if she was attacked by one or more persons. Those are the only details available for now but we will have the rest of the story sometime tomorrow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 14, 2008, 09:43:46 PM
That young woman has a family too.  She may have a husband, boyfriend, and children. 

I wonder if her family is on the island?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 09:44:15 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-tourist-woman-reports-rape-in-aruba-on-eagle-beach/

Aruba: Tourist Woman Reports Rape in Aruba on Eagle Beach


I just sent an email to all my friends with the link and asked them to pass it along.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 09:52:48 PM
There are several things that keep rolling around my little brain after multiple calls to multiple places today on Aruba...

#1...the ALE officer was so quick to tell me how very druck she was...how she instigated the sex on the beach...and only filed rape charges against the innocent 3 local guys after they took photos of her...and she got mad....He know I was calling from the US...I always tell them right off the bat.

He was trying to illicit sympathy from me for the 3 guys.

#2 I called 3 other ALE agencies...and was told they had heard nothing about it.

#4 I called beach patrol...they knew...but seemed very anxious...and insisted I call early Monday AM to another # and name they gave to me...after jabbering all to each other in pap and raising their voices at each other...no laughing this time..like when I called them regarding the NH case a long time ago...

#4...the Call to Moombas...after telling my story...I was put on hold...then passed to the bar manager....we talked some...and at one point in our conversation he..out of the blue...asked me if I was the girls' mother...that seemed very strange to me...

just mulling the days events over...TIA for any feedback...sometimes making these calls can be a bit draining...but I still give good phone....and the best on weekend..cause you get the weekend staff...the ones who feels left out of the loop on their own turf....they like to talk more....

Destiny

Destiny - don't you find it odd that the bar manager at Moomba's didn't know the name of the locals (the 3 guys) that she claims raped her? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 09:53:57 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/14/aruba-tourist-woman-reports-rape-in-aruba-on-eagle-beach/

Aruba: Tourist Woman Reports Rape in Aruba on Eagle Beach


I just sent an email to all my friends with the link and asked them to pass it along.

Great San!!!....don't wanna lose this one too...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 09:56:38 PM
There are several things that keep rolling around my little brain after multiple calls to multiple places today on Aruba...

#1...the ALE officer was so quick to tell me how very druck she was...how she instigated the sex on the beach...and only filed rape charges against the innocent 3 local guys after they took photos of her...and she got mad....He know I was calling from the US...I always tell them right off the bat.

He was trying to illicit sympathy from me for the 3 guys.

#2 I called 3 other ALE agencies...and was told they had heard nothing about it.

#4 I called beach patrol...they knew...but seemed very anxious...and insisted I call early Monday AM to another # and name they gave to me...after jabbering all to each other in pap and raising their voices at each other...no laughing this time..like when I called them regarding the NH case a long time ago...

#4...the Call to Moombas...after telling my story...I was put on hold...then passed to the bar manager....we talked some...and at one point in our conversation he..out of the blue...asked me if I was the girls' mother...that seemed very strange to me...

just mulling the days events over...TIA for any feedback...sometimes making these calls can be a bit draining...but I still give good phone....and the best on weekend..cause you get the weekend staff...the ones who feels left out of the loop on their own turf....they like to talk more....

Destiny

Destiny - don't you find it odd that the bar manager at Moomba's didn't know the name of the locals (the 3 guys) that she claims raped her? 

More than odd Klaas...absolutly unbelievable...is what I thought...didn't believe him for one second...and why did he ask if I was her Mother...huh....made the hairs on the back of my neck bristle....yep it did...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 09:59:25 PM
Well, at least this time we will have EVERY word, EVERY detail, EVERY utterance, ON RECORD from Day 1.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2008, 10:02:52 PM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 10:06:33 PM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 10:07:01 PM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


Aruba is on full alert right at this moment.  They know they have a couple of days before any of this girls family arrives on the island.  Remember Paulus' surprise when Beth got there early and his response was how did you get her so fast.  They are checking flights as we speak.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 10:07:30 PM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::
me either!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blue Moon on June 14, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

I do too-that's why I said interesting. O.K. who on this board posted this? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 14, 2008, 10:10:44 PM
KLAAS...banana basket....Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 10:17:35 PM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

I do too-that's why I said interesting. O.K. who on this board posted this? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Wasn't me  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 10:28:53 PM
These guys took pictures of this recent rape.  I will say they used their cell phones to take them.

Enter Charles Croes once again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 14, 2008, 10:29:00 PM
It might be a GREAT story for Geta Monday night -- report this new CRIME in Aruba while also getting to publicize "TW's" new pics!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 14, 2008, 10:29:46 PM
These guys took pictures of this recent rape.  I will say they used their cell phones to take them.

Enter Charles Croes once again.

By now these pictures are all over that island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 14, 2008, 10:34:17 PM
Flashback Flashback Flashback

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw


I do. ScubaJap said he was a lawyer in Aruba. Same last name as a lawyer for one of he guards.Why / how can I 'meber  that ? When I can't remeber other stuff, like where is the bank card ? Or my damn keys some days ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 11:22:19 PM
I think by tomorrow we'll have more information from Jossy on this current rape.  We need to make sure this one doesn't get swept under the rug.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: caesu on June 14, 2008, 11:39:27 PM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 14, 2008, 11:52:05 PM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.

Thanks Caesu


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 15, 2008, 12:09:20 AM
Flashback Flashback Flashback

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw


I do. ScubaJap said he was a lawyer in Aruba. Same last name as a lawyer for one of he guards.Why / how can I 'meber  that ? When I can't remeber other stuff, like where is the bank card ? Or my damn keys some days ?

That was the guy with the dreadlocks...I think.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 15, 2008, 12:27:21 AM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

you took the words right off my fingertips.  that sure doesn't sound like the ru charlierat.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 15, 2008, 12:27:27 AM
The very fact the lady made a police report & went to the hospital leads me to believe nothing was consentual. I agree with Sandy, DAMN that island full of criminals, rapists & murderers.


The fact that they don't take this girl seriously and are already spinning in favor of the three suspects tells you that is business as usual on Aruba. This girl can sink that island when she returns.

Joran admitted to raping Natalee under the terms and definitions of Dutch law and they did nothing. They are trying to pull the same shit again.


I call BS coming out of Aruba.

1.  This is the first day of the crime, ALE is not even finished their Frosted Flakes yet.

2.  ALE has 2 speeds--slow and stop--or make that stop and backwards.  With this history, we know this story of "blame the victim" is made up, they haven't had time to do any kind of real investigation yet.

3.  By spreading BS so soon in the investigation is telling the world they are lying.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 15, 2008, 12:35:16 AM
The newspaper article really bothers me.  Three Aruban men just happened to pick up a strange American woman in a popular bar, and this woman just happened to sexually desire all three of them, and the three men just happened to have photographic equipment with them on the beach.  I don't think so, not even for a second do I buy into this scenario.  This is drug, rape, and tape.  It's the popular Aruban male game.  Aruba hasn't learned a damn thing from Natalee's tragedy.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt038


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 15, 2008, 12:43:19 AM
Flashback Flashback Flashback

Anyone remember this person allegedy LVR but then later thought to be one Brandon Pieterz?

http://tinyurl.com/56lmuw



Yes, that's the first thing I thought of.  I'm sure we will be told that it's a common name  ::MonkeyWink:: 

Yes, it looks like everyone is "common" on Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 15, 2008, 12:54:32 AM
Has anyone contacted Beth to see if she could get in contact with this family?

I am afraid something more is going to happen to her while she is there.  She has been through enough already.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 15, 2008, 01:01:30 AM
These guys took pictures of this recent rape.  I will say they used their cell phones to take them.

Enter Charles Croes once again.

This happened to that young girl at school, too.  She was chased off the island.  I hope these girls and women get together and file a class action suit.  They can own the island and lock all the rats up. 

Or they can buy it on ebay next week for $1.98.

Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 15, 2008, 01:03:39 AM
These guys took pictures of this recent rape.  I will say they used their cell phones to take them.

Enter Charles Croes once again.

This happened to that young girl at school, too.  She was chased off the island.  I hope these girls and women get together and file a class action suit.  They can own the island and lock all the rats up. 

Or they can buy it on ebay next week for $1.98.

Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

Best yet          j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2008, 01:18:31 AM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  Unless ...

Hey ... miracles do happen.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: mojo on June 15, 2008, 05:17:00 AM
Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 15, 2008, 05:41:53 AM
These guys took pictures of this recent rape.  I will say they used their cell phones to take them.

Enter Charles Croes once again.

This happened to that young girl at school, too.  She was chased off the island.  I hope these girls and women get together and file a class action suit.  They can own the island and lock all the rats up. 

Or they can buy it on ebay next week for $1.98.

Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

"I've been porned" doesn't have a nice sound to it.

I wonder if Aruba has an official protocol for dealing with assault cases?  I wonder if the business associations have educated their members about how to deal with crime that may have a negative reflection on their business or on tourism?

What do they see when they look into the mirror each morning?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 06:02:58 AM
Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough

They will not retrieve these pictures.  This is when calls are made to Charles Croes to get him involved.  He will not come forward with these pictures.

Even if you get blood/urine tests they will be falsified by Aruba.  Aruba has their game down to a science (i.e. Blood turns into chocolate).  We will never get the right results and Aruba will make sure of it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 15, 2008, 06:21:04 AM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

I do too-that's why I said interesting. O.K. who on this board posted this? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Wasn't me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

"Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba."

Who is the other tourist that reported being drugged and ganged raped in Aruba?

Natalee isn't here to tell us what happened to her...so who (and how many) have reported this before?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 15, 2008, 07:02:33 AM
A plethora of news articles about Aruba today ~

Quote
Travel: Jeep thrills

June 2008
By NICK BOULOS

It's billed as the honeymoon capital of the Caribbean, but a growing band of visitors is eschewing the beaches and falling in love with Aruba's dramatic desert interior

Quote
One can also grow tired of all the loved-up couples walking hand in hand and whispering sweet nothings over their mango daiquiris. Aruba has reinvented itself as the love capital of the Caribbean, hence the island's Honeymoon Cove, chips with honeymoon sauce on the menu and the Tunnel of Love attraction at the island's Arikok National Park.

Quote
Oranjestad, the capital city, is where western consumerism meets Caribbean joie de vivre, as casinos and restaurants rub shoulders with fairytale-type gingerbread houses – Dutch/baroque architecture painted a vivid confection of pistachio, ochre, pink, and aqua. If you want to indulge in a little shopping, it's the place to go. Down by the wharf you'll find colourful stalls selling local art and pottery, and there's a flea market selling a blinding array of tourist trinkets.

Quote
Aruba is clearly a place where divine intervention is sought after. Travelling further, we reach the quaint Alto Vista Chapel, an intimate and isolated place of worship with its huge, pointed-arch windows. Outside, rows of unoccupied white stone benches are positioned in a ripple effect.

Strolling beyond the tall wooden doors and into the cool interior, I find a welcome refuge from the blistering heat. Ahead, against a blue painted wall that mirrors the sky outside, stands a simple Virgin Mary on the altar. A handful of locals, oblivious to the steady trickle of tourists, continue with their silent prayers, while outside endless columns of cacti dominate the view, their tips piercing the distant horizon.

Next stop on the tour are the Bushiribana Ruins, an abandoned gold smelter that dates back to Aruba's 19th-century gold rush, when three million pounds of the precious metal was produced. With their fragmented stone walls flooded with sunlight and empty window frames, they are a formidable and impressive sight.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/spectrum/Travel-Jeep-thrills.4184802.jp (http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/spectrum/Travel-Jeep-thrills.4184802.jp)

Sounds like a nice place to go. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 15, 2008, 07:14:18 AM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.
I read some where last night that he will be AG on aruba for 6 months and he starts work June 23rd IIRC.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 15, 2008, 07:19:21 AM
Interesting, this is posted on Greta's Blog:

Comment by charlierat
June 14th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba. Aruban officials see this as possibly another bad mark against potential American tourism, so they are blaming the victim and encouraging her to drop the charges. Let’s hope she doesn’t disappear!


I find it hard to believe that was actually Charlierat that wrote that  ::MonkeyWink::

I do too-that's why I said interesting. O.K. who on this board posted this? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Wasn't me  ::MonkeyHaHa::

"Another American female tourist has reported that she was drugged and ganged raped in Aruba."

Who is the other tourist that reported being drugged and ganged raped in Aruba?

Natalee isn't here to tell us what happened to her...so who (and how many) have reported this before?
Good question WhiskeyGirl


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 07:32:11 AM
I awoke this morning so concerned about Aruba's latest victim.  I keep wondering if there was anything else that we could have done to help her or support her.  It has been so disturbing to me that we weren't able to come up with anyone who could be trusted to help this woman during her emergency.  This is something that we need to emphasize in our Boycott Aruba dialogues.  When a woman is on that crappy island, she is on her own, and the planes don't arrive until Thursday.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 09:44:22 AM
Maybe some gave her ecstasy


Question: What are the effects of ecstasy?

Answer: Brain imaging research in humans indicates that Ecstasy causes injury to the brain, affecting neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays a direct role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. Many of the risks users face with Ecstasy use are similar to those found with the use of cocaine and amphetamines
:

http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/ecstasy/f/ecstasy1.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
Someone


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 09:58:31 AM
Maybe some gave her ecstasy


Question: What are the effects of ecstasy?

Answer: Brain imaging research in humans indicates that Ecstasy causes injury to the brain, affecting neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. The serotonin system plays a direct role in regulating mood, aggression, sexual activity, sleep, and sensitivity to pain. Many of the risks users face with Ecstasy use are similar to those found with the use of cocaine and amphetamines
:

http://parentingteens.about.com/cs/ecstasy/f/ecstasy1.htm

There is no way someone goes on vacation in hopes of getting drunk out of their mind and wanting to go with three guys.  She was drugged and end of story for me.  And yes I believe she was slipped something in her drink.

Edited to add:   YES SHE WAS SLIPPED ECSTASY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 10:03:56 AM
Diario Sat...anyone...can you give the cliff notes version of what this is about...it looks ugly...from what little I can read...TIA...Des...


   
18 LUNA EXIGI, PA MUHER ACUSA DI VIOLA MUCHA MUHER DI 15 AÑA    PDF    Print    E-mail
Saturday, 14 June 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diabierna na corte a tuma lugar un caso den cual Joanne L.T a wordo acusa di a viola un mucha muher di 15 aña sexualmente.

Fiscal a indica cu loke J. ta wordo acusa di dje ta cu riba 3 di Januari 2008 e lo a fula e mucha muher na su pecho, mey mey su pia y cu e lo a sunchi e mucha muher na su boca. Ademas di esaki, e lo a pone su dede den vagina di e mucha muher, contra su boluntad.
Huez a lesa parti di e rapport di polis cu ta bisa cu na dado momento mama di e victima a bay warda di polis pa hasi denuncia.

Esaki despues cu ruman homber y otro miembronan di famia di e mucha muher a ripara cu e tabata yora constantemente, despues cu el a yega cas marduga despues cu el a bay sali cu J.

Na prome instancia e mucha muher no kier a bisa loke a pasa, pero despues el a bisa su famia cu J. na dado momento a pushe contra muraya, pasa man na su pechonan, dune sunchi na su boca, baha su Carson y pone su dede den su vagina. Na polis e victima a declara cu el a bay sali anochi cu J. y ora cu nan tabata bayendo bek cas, diripiente e muher a cuminza pasa man.

Na diferente momento el a bisa e muher pa e stop, pero el a sigui toch. Despues di un rato por fin el a stop y el a hiba e mucha muher cas. Ora e victima a yega cas, e tabata sinti dolor na su parti intimo y el a ripara cu tabata tin sanger tambe. Despues cu el a conta su mama, nan a confronta e muher, pero el a nenga cu el a hasi algo.

Nan a bay dokter y dokter a constata cu e victima tabata tin herida chikito na su parti intimo. Na polis J. a declara cu nada no a pasa, pero despues el a declara diferente.

Segun J. tabata e victima mes a acerke cu interes sexual.El a bisa cu el a sunchi a mucha muher y pasa man na su pecho, pero cu ningun momento el a hinca dede den vagina di e mucha muher.

Huez a puntre dicon el a gaña na prome instante y el a bisa cu quizas door cu e tabata nervioso y nunca antes el a yega di haya su mes den problema cu husticia. Huez a bise cu ta net e ora ey bo tin cu bisa berdad.

Huez a bisa tambe cu si J. no a forza e mucha muher di hasi actonan sexual, pakico e mucha muher tabata yora asina hopi anto.
Fiscal a bisa cu ta straño cu J. a admiti na dado momento cu nan tabata tin relacion sexual cu otro e anochi ey, pero despues na corte el a bisa cu nan a djis sunchi y braza otro.

Huez a indica tambe cu si e mucha muher tabata kier mes, e ta menor di edad. Fiscal a exigi un castigo di 18 luna incondicional.
Abogado Foy representando e acusado, a bisa huez cu su cliente mester wordo declara liber di tur acusacion , pasobra fiscal a comete un error di pone cu e acto sexual a sosode rond di dia 3 di Januari, siendo cu ta dia 5 di Januari el a sosode.

Ademas di esaki el a indica cu no a wordo comproba cu J. a pone dede den vagina di e mucha y cu segun dokter ainda e mucha muher ta señorita.

E abogado a bisa tambe cu ta hopi straño cu un otro caso di un mandatario cu a wordo acusa di mescos, no a bin dilanti, mientras cu e caso aki si ta wordo tuma na serio.

Fiscal a bisa e abogado cu no ta importa cu e fecha ta incorecto, pasobra di O.M apela e caso, e ora ey por cambia e fecha ainda.
E abogado a responde cu esey no ta manera pa un Ministerio Publico of Fiscal opera. Bo no por bisa huez pa e djis no worry cu e error, pasobra den apelacion bo lo por cambia tur cos. Huez na final a bisa cu dia 27 di Juni e lo duna su veredicto.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 10:22:03 AM
Destiny - best I can tell it's a court case where the prosecution is asking for 18 months for what looks like to me the mother of a girl, under the age of 15, who was sexually violated (in her mothers presence or by her mother..I'm not sure which).  Looks like the judge will give his decision on June 27th.

Edited to change 18 years to 18 months  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 10:29:34 AM
oranjestad(aan): diabierna at corte did take lugar one caso in cual joanne l.t owing to wordo acusa of owing to viola one child muher of 15 year sexualmente. fiscal owing to indica cu thing j. is wordo acusa of dje is cu on 3 of january 2008 the will owing to feel the child muher at his pecho, mey mey his leg y cu the will owing to kiss the child muher at his mouth. apart from this, the will owing to place his finger in vagina of the child muher, contra his boluntad. huez owing to read part of the rapport of police cu is tell cu at dado instant mother of the victima owing to bay keep of police for make denuncia. this after cu brother man y another miembronan of family of the child muher owing to ripara cu the was cry constantemente, after cu past owing to arrive cas marduga after cu past owing to bay leave cu j. at first instancia the child muher does not owing to tell thing owing to happen, but after past owing to tell his family cu j. at dado instant owing to pushe contra wall, happen hand at his pechonan, dune kiss at his mouth, descend his carson y place his finger in his vagina. at police the victima owing to declara cu past owing to bay leave night cu j. y hour cu they was bayendo bek cas, diripiente the muher owing to cuminza happen hand. at various instant past owing to tell the muher for her stop, but past owing to follow yet. after of one rato can end past owing to stop y past owing to take away the child muher cas. hour the victima owing to arrive cas, the was feel dolor at his part intimo y past owing to ripara cu was have blood also. after cu past owing to count ; his mother, they owing to confronta the muher, but past owing to deny cu past owing to make algo. they owing to bay doctor y doctor owing to constata cu the victima was have injury diminutive at his part intimo. at police j. owing to declara cu nothing not owing to happen, but after past owing to declara various. according j. was the victima self owing to acerke cu interest sexual.el owing to tell cu past owing to kiss owing to child muher y happen hand at his pecho, but cu none instant past owing to hinca finger in vagina of the child muher. huez owing to puntre dicon past owing to lie at first instant y past owing to tell cu quizas door cu the was agitated y never formerly past owing to arrive of achieve his self in problem cu husticia. huez owing to bise cu is just the hour ey do you have cu tell berdad. huez owing to tell also cu if j. not owing to forza the child muher of make actonan sexual, pakico the child muher was cry so much then. fiscal owing to tell cu is odd cu j. owing to admiti at dado instant cu they was have relacion sexual cu another the night ey, but after at corte past owing to tell cu they owing to immidiately kiss y braza another. huez owing to indica also cu if the child muher was wanted self, the is younger of edad. fiscal owing to exigi one castigo of 18 month incondicional. advocate foy representando the acusado, owing to tell huez cu his cliente have to wordo declara pound of all acusacion come across, because fiscal owing to comete one error of place cu the acto sexual owing to sosode rond of day 3 of january, siendo cu is day 5 of january past owing to sosode. apart from this past owing to indica cu not owing to wordo comproba cu j. owing to place finger in vagina of the child y cu according doctor still the child muher is miss. the advocate owing to tell also cu is much odd cu one another caso of one mandatario cu owing to wordo acusa of same, not owing to come fast, while cu the caso here if is wordo take at earnest. fiscal owing to tell the advocate cu do not importa cu the date is incorecto, because of or.m apela the caso, the hour ey can change the date still. the advocate owing to responde cu esey do not as for one ministerio publico or fiscal opera. do you not can tell huez for her immidiately not worry cu the error, because in apelacion do you will can change all cos. huez at end owing to tell cu day 27 of june the will give his veredicto.


http://www.donamaro.nl/papiamentu/index.php?pAction=tradusi


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 15, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 10:38:21 AM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I agree Buckeye.  Premeditated.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 10:51:16 AM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.



Thank you Buckeye, for that reminder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 15, 2008, 10:54:07 AM
Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough

Knowing what we know......I would have almost advised this woman to take her own urine sample and bring it back to the US for testing. Don't imagine it is totally legal for prosecution purposes, but better than nothing, worth a shot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 11:02:48 AM
Destiny - best I can tell it's a court case where the prosecution is asking for 18 months for what looks like to me the mother of a girl, under the age of 15, who was sexually violated (in her mothers presence or by her mother..I'm not sure which).  Looks like the judge will give his decision on June 27th.

Edited to change 18 years to 18 months  ::MonkeyWink::

TY Klaas....ps....banana basket ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 15, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
AMIGOE

need to be a member to read further.


snip it.


Aruba
June 14, 2008, 11:45 (GMT -04:00)

Council of State: Imago Aruba negative
ORANJESTAD / THE HAGUE - During the visit of the parliamentary delegation to the Council of State in the Netherlands, has spoken about the image of our country in the Netherlands. That is according to the Council always negative. The relationship between the two countries is the last time 'bekoeld. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 11:04:31 AM
Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough

Knowing what we know......I would have almost advised this woman to take her own urine sample and bring it back to the US for testing. Don't imagine it is totally legal for prosecution purposes, but better than nothing, worth a shot.


BB - How are you doing with the thought prints?  Are you confused, yet?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 11:06:49 AM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.



Buckeye - I haven't been here since the very beginning.  Did you know Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 15, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



Whatley:

On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

Lee Broughton :

During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Pita on June 15, 2008, 11:39:01 AM
          Happy Father's Day to all the fathers here at SM.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 15, 2008, 12:16:51 PM
Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 ::MonkeyCool::




In wich story helen ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2008, 12:16:59 PM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



Whatley:

On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

Lee Broughton :

During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838



bb ... when you consider the above quotes you provided as well as Dave's words ... I believe that Natalee Holloway may have been inebriated.

Nevertheless ... I do believe that the last drink which Joran bought for her prior from that little bar in the back of Carlos and Charlies... was spiked with a date rape drug and ... the combination ...

+++++++++++++

Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
February 26, 2006


MACCALLUM: When you listen to some of the details, you know, some pretty graphic details about what was going on in that bar — he claimed that he was doing jelly shots, which I guess you sort of drink off somebody's stomach as they lay on the bar, all sorts of things about your daughter and what was going on there. What I'm curious about is did any of those connect with what her friends told you, who were also there in the bar with her that night?

HOLLOWAY: I think they, all the kids were there for, of course, their high school graduation, and they were all having a good time. And you know, I understand that some of that is true.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005


Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time.[/color] I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.

After that Natalee, Satish and myself walked outside because Carlos & Charlies was almost empty.


Dave Holloway
CORRUPTION IN PARADISE

Page 9

In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 15, 2008, 12:18:18 PM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.



Buckeye - I haven't been here since the very beginning.  Did you know Natalee?

No. I just saw the videos and pictures from that day/night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 15, 2008, 12:19:36 PM
What I find odd is that everyone now accepts that Natalee was drunk.  I think that became the default when drugs were added and the "accidental overdose" theory came into play.

What I know, because I saw it with my own eyes, is that Natalee had a water bottle in front of her, at the blackjack table. She was walking around the casino, unassisted.  She was dancing on the stage, at Carlos and Charlies, not lying on the stage or passed out. I don't believe she was drunk.

For all I know, the "red fire" she drank Sunday morning could have been from someone telling her it would help her headache, from Sat. night.

You don't go from what I saw, to seizures and dead, in that amount of time, without some drug added to the mix.  She was drugged.  The result may not have been intended but the act itself, was purposeful....and criminal.

I do believe she was drinking, and I do beleive she was likely "drunk". I also beleive she was given a drug in one of her drinks that caused her to have siezures and then in all likelyhood pass into a coma and die.



Whatley:

On Sunday night Whatley advised a group of friends ate dinner. Holloway had a couple of alcoholic drinks at dinner. Holloway was drinking Red Fires which had 151 in them. Although she had a couple of drinks at dinner Holloway "was not out of her mind." 

Lee Broughton :

During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day. They went to dinner between 6:00 and 7:00 PM. After dinner Holloway and Broughton went to the Hotel Casino to watch Ruth McVay gamble/

http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838



You are probably correct.  I only remembered the Sunday morning drinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2008, 12:20:11 PM
San ... could you please take out all that red highlight from the last two quotes of my last post.

Thank you

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 ::MonkeyCool::




In wich story helen ?


In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 15, 2008, 12:24:59 PM
Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 ::MonkeyCool::




In wich story helen ?


In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763

thank you Klaas   >> safe there in Aruba !!!pffft  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 12:25:57 PM
KLAAS...BIG LOAD OF BANANAS...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 15, 2008, 12:47:18 PM
Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough



One has to test specifically for this substance. I'm sure Aruba knows that and conveniently lost the specimen bottle.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 12:49:35 PM
Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.

Yep Klaas...sent a reply to you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 15, 2008, 12:51:45 PM
I was thinking about Joran's nudie shot and how the judge threw out his DNA.  Most likely, Paulus didn't want anyone finding out about Joran's XXY syndrome and his tiny beans and franks.


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 15, 2008, 12:54:44 PM
Maybe Caesu and Johan will pop in soon.  The media in the NL should be pretty interested in this story.

 ::MonkeyCool::




In wich story helen ?


In this story - another American tourist raped in Aruba:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2918.msg389763#msg389763

thank you Klaas   >> safe there in Aruba !!!pffft  ::MonkeyShocked::

Good day Johan,

As Klaas said, we learned that an American tourist was raped by local men.  Apparently, there were three of them and they took pictures and or filmed the assault.

According the ALE, the woman was very drunk, behaving crazily, left the bar on her own free will because she wanted to have consensual sex with the three men on the beach.  She only became upset when they began to photograph the event.  She reported this to the police "after the fact", according to police.  She was taken to a hospital.

The ALE is discouraging her from filing charges.

 :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Unbelievable!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 01:00:07 PM
Regarding this recent rape victim in Aruba.  I really believe that Aruban men think that all drunk tourists (women especially) are asking for it.  I think that's why the first reports out of Aruba in the NH case were that all 3 had sex with her.  They didn't think it was any big deal.  Seriously, I believe this is their normal thinking.



Klaas, you are sooo correct. I believe that there is an Aruban male mentality where they believe that women tourists from the US actually arrive on that crappy island lusting after the male locals.  They live in a fantasy world.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 15, 2008, 01:07:42 PM
I was reading something interesting today about crime in the Caribbean. Someone posted information showing that the Caribbean has the highest crime rate in the world.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world/134742-caribbean-has-highest-crime-rate-world.html

Here is a statement regarding types of crime there:

According to a new report by the World Bank and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Crime, Violence and Development : Trends, costs and Policy Options in the Caribbean, murder rates in the Caribbean are higher than in any other region of the world, and assault rates—including rape--are significantly above the world average.

(Latin America and Caribbean - Crime, Violence, and Development: Trends, Costs, and Policy Options in the Caribbean)


One interesting comment at the site was this one:

Hello... I don't know about violent crime BUT, theft is HUGE! We travel a lot and have been to numerous places in the carribean. EVERY time we go there they manage to creatively get away with something from us. The worst though, and the reason I'm writing is to get it out there how dastardly they are.
Our last trip to Curacao and Aruba cost us more than we spent ourselves.
The resturants or merchants are now selling your credit card numbers to front companys (they are even making card copies!) and maxing out your card limit before you even get home from your trip. USAA military banking has been hit hard recently. If you go to the carribean, call your bank and let them know so, they can flag any high charges before they rack up your card. UGH... They took ours for $20,000. Most cards are insured which is why we use it traveling but ultimately we all pay for it. The Carribean is beautiful, no doubt. But, I think the next time I go back would only be to watch a hanging. Investigations are underway and I'm hopeful they find this ring.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 01:13:21 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 15, 2008, 01:25:12 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

not shocked at all..

the story has to get more and more deviant each and every-time. Otherwise people will actually believe that tourists are being drugged and raped.

the ALE got their talking points out.

They probably have a more ludicrous story for the next victim already cooked up. And most likely would have used this version on the girl that was missing from the HI and returned to her mother's room.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 01:25:43 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).



OMG. Is there no limit that ALE will go to to protect their scum of the earth locals?  This statement tells me that the three slime balls went to the club with the intention of having sex with her.  This was, once again, premeditated.  No woman goes on vacation with her husband and then porpositions three men.  How can ALE even think that the world would believe this story?  It's interesting how each day ALE is adding a new twist to the story in an attempt to solidify that the men are the victims.  If I recall, Dutch law says that sexual contact with someone in her intoxicated condition is rape, regardless of whether anything was agreed upon in advance.  The club manager described her as behaving in a crazy way.  If they took advantage of her in that condition...it's rape.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2008, 01:32:43 PM
OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on June 15, 2008, 01:33:16 PM
Maybe the men were drunk and drugged up and the lady smiled at them.
..
I would like to wish all the Monkey Men here a Happy Fathers Day.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 01:35:47 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 15, 2008, 01:41:53 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.

When will we find out who the three 20 year old beach bums are?

I can't wait to hear this.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 01:44:11 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.

San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 01:45:27 PM
Aruba has a lot of beach bums that are Joran's age  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 01:45:38 PM
This story about the locals using the woman's camera to photograph the assault just doesn't make sense.  When something doesn't make sense, it's usually a lie.  Why would three perps photograph their activities with the victim's own camera, unless of course, they were planning to steal the camera and release the pictures?  Why would a woman go public and file charges if she hadn't been raped?  What married American woman would go after three lowlife beach bums who are ten years younger?  This entire story is bizarre.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Aruba has a lot of beach bums that are Joran's age  ::MonkeyRoll::

The PIMPS....3 years ago...they would have been in their teens to around 20 yrs old...now they are in their early 20's or so...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 15, 2008, 01:59:18 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.

San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny

Destiny, is there any word where her husband was during all this?  Was she at the club with him? How did you learn she was traveling with her husband?  This is way too strange.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 02:00:34 PM
OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!

Wreck...she has already filed charges...because of that she can't leave the island...I would suppose she could leave if she dropped the charges...hmmmmmm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 02:04:24 PM
Too late all...already called Moombas...got a first name from Bar Manager...got his name too...he said she had been there every evening until 3 nights ago...he did confirm that she left with 3 local guys...he said he didn't know their names...he did ask me if I was her Mother...strange huh....I told him no...just a friend..that she had left me a VM to call her...he did confirm that the ALE did come in with questions about the incident...and that she was staying at the Holiday Inn...I'll email the first name to Klaas...Bar Manager also confirmed her age as very early 30's...my bad...

Where was hubby if their is one" he said she had been there every evening until 3 nights ago"

Also if their was a hubby then why did they ask if you were her Mother


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2008, 02:06:12 PM
OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!

Wreck...she has already filed charges...because of that she can't leave the island...I would suppose she could leave if she dropped the charges...hmmmmmm
That's what I was trying to say. If she goes home from her vacation -- do they go free??? Unbelievable!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 02:11:03 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.

San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny

Destiny, is there any word where her husband was during all this?  Was she at the club with him? How did you learn she was traveling with her husband?  This is way too strange.

AZ...this mornings' call...was the *first* I was told of a husband...yesterda when I called Moombas and was passed over to the Bar Manager...he said that she had been in every night...until 3 days ago...which I presume is the night the assault took place...the Bar Manager never said anything about anyone else being with her...but, also remember Moombas is a resuarant too...the Bar is located in a different place than where they serve the upscale meals...she might have gone there for dinner...then moved outside to the Moombas Beach Bar... http://moombabeach.com/component/

If you go to the site...click on *location* on front page to go to a map...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 02:20:40 PM
OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!

Wreck...she has already filed charges...because of that she can't leave the island...I would suppose she could leave if she dropped the charges...hmmmmmm

This is why they claim there is no crime on that island.  They are forcing people to stay.  If they don't they drop the charges.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 02:23:46 PM
Destiny - in due respect, there is nothing upscale about Moomba's.  It's a bar and a restaurant on the beach in Aruba.  Nothing fancy or upscale about the restaurant or bar.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401214942046394805TETsEC

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401213811046394805SrUpwA

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2473703950062685536xKCack

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2279111790062685536InSMtS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 15, 2008, 02:25:04 PM
OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!

Wreck...she has already filed charges...because of that she can't leave the island...I would suppose she could leave if she dropped the charges...hmmmmmm

This is why they claim there is no crime on that island.  They are forcing people to stay.  If they don't they drop the charges.
This must be stressed to potential tourists to Aruba. We must include this fact in all of our "talking points" in our boycott efforts.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: AZSunny on June 15, 2008, 02:26:51 PM
Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 02:27:20 PM
Klaas...mea culpa...going back over my hastily jotted down notes from call I made...update what I sent you this morns' *same as yesterday*  ALE Officer told me 2 of the guys were around 20-s and one was 30 yrs old...sorry...that's what happens when I get in a rush....

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 02:29:14 PM
OMG, it sounds like the poor woman would have to remain in Aruba to file charges -- if she goes home, the accused go free!!!

Wreck...she has already filed charges...because of that she can't leave the island...I would suppose she could leave if she dropped the charges...hmmmmmm

This is why they claim there is no crime on that island.  They are forcing people to stay.  If they don't they drop the charges.
This must be stressed to potential tourists to Aruba. We must include this fact in all of our "talking points" in our boycott efforts.

This would be a great point to bring up in DC.  As them if a crime is committed against a tourist are they forced to stay there and if they don't are the charges dropped.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 02:35:13 PM
Destiny - in due respect, there is nothing upscale about Moomba's.  It's a bar and a restaurant on the beach in Aruba.  Nothing fancy or upscale about the restaurant or bar.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401214942046394805TETsEC

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401213811046394805SrUpwA

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2473703950062685536xKCack

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2279111790062685536InSMtS

Klaas...is the link I posted for MoomBas...not the right Moombas? 
The photos in the link look very different....maybe a remodel job?

TIA....Des


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Red on June 15, 2008, 02:47:42 PM
I just wanted to wish a Happy Father's Day ...

Take a look at the FP post and watch the video ... I think Father's Day may be put into a perspective that few of us ever thought about.

Its a must see video of Rick and Dick Hoyt, A fathers love for his son for the ages ...

HAPPY FATHERS DAY 2008 … Dick and Rick Hoyt, a Father and Son’s Love for the Ages

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/06/15/happy-fathers-day-2008-dick-and-rick-hoyt-a-father-and-sons-love-for-the-ages/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 03:08:19 PM
Destiny - in due respect, there is nothing upscale about Moomba's.  It's a bar and a restaurant on the beach in Aruba.  Nothing fancy or upscale about the restaurant or bar.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401214942046394805TETsEC

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1401213811046394805SrUpwA

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2473703950062685536xKCack

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2279111790062685536InSMtS

Klaas...is the link I posted for MoomBas...not the right Moombas? 
The photos in the link look very different....maybe a remodel job?

TIA....Des

You posted the link to the correct Moomba's.  It's just that some of the photos on the website are deceptive.  It's just a beach bar and restaurant.  It's not a fancy restaurant by any means.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 03:13:50 PM
Whew....TY Klaas....yeppers Aruba...deceptive in all ways....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 15, 2008, 03:35:35 PM
Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that NH was first raped in Moombas as the boys stopped there.  Could have been in the bathrooms or a downstars room.  We really do not know for sure how long they stayed in there when Depak stopped (and admitted) stopping at this bar.  MIP6 and that gang have been too against the H/T family not to have been involved.  It is my understanding that this bar has had some remodeling done.  Also something to do with a bar or some part of the HI where NH was staying.  This came from very old posts when the case first began.
I remember very clearly reading this.They could have then gone to the sloot residence, then possibly she was taken to a room back in the HI and later removed along with the bloody mattress if that did not come fro Pvs home.    Jackb

PS:  The bar that burned down was, according to what I read; Choose a Name bar.   Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 03:36:48 PM
Whew....TY Klaas....yeppers Aruba...deceptive in all ways....

In case you missed it, this is one of the bartenders at Moomba's, Mark Purcell's (MIP6) son:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14761846



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 03:38:01 PM
Jackb - yes Choose a Name burned but so did Moomba's


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 03:40:37 PM
Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 03:49:03 PM
Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...

I'm sure female tourists are assaulted all the time in Aruba but most go unreported. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 15, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...

I'm sure female tourists are assaulted all the time in Aruba but most go unreported. 

The population in the county where I live is smaller but the land mass of that island is pretty much the same. The crimes of this nature is a seldom happening, a rareity here, as what is going on weekly in Aruba.  I am beginning to wonder if that island is not some kind of  experiment for the social ramifications of using Viagra.  That is some kind of creepy.  They are having trouble because they have no belief systems in place.  They have no law because they do not believe in justice or Truth.  It is like they are a stepping stone into hell.  I hope the decent people leave that island.  That is like being trapped on an island of thugs with no conscious.   Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: katiekatie2u on June 15, 2008, 04:29:34 PM
Destiny
great job girl!! now all we need to know is:
were these three guys american.. or were they the (usual pimps.).. I seriously doubt they were american.!!! it just seems to Arubanish to me.
how do we  publicize it and make  the american public aware of the dangers of traveling to aruba....
I get so upset when I read the comments made by the ale.
Comments like the girls was drunk and wanted sex with three men!!
doesnt add up and they continue to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.
the goverment of Aruba is narcisistic!! they produce that kind of population....
as evidenced by their comments and the arogance of  the officials and the criminals...
how long will americans continue to be victimized on that god forsaken island..

it is totaly sickening what  is said and done there by  aruban officials...

boycott continues.. until we see justice served...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: katiekatie2u on June 15, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
so I ask!!
If there is just a tiny hint of alcohol breath (not drunk)  they will no doubt say that you were drunk.. no wonder there is so much crime in Aruba..
no one is held accountable or should I say no male is held accountable against any sex crime against a women..
It is always blamed on the female victim..
what a message they are sending...  tourists expect to go there to : relax , take in the sun, scenery  and have  themselves a few tropical drinks!!

how can these idiots expect to keep people coming to aruba if they continue to not recogize  crimes against tourists. 
they have no regards for american tourists...no respect whatsoever...
whats wrong with this picture!
what is wrong is that they have a different mind set...
they dont think or act normal..
this isnt the end of americans being victimized..

I surely hope someone gets in contact with the rape victim and enlighten her about natalee if she doesnt already know!!

I just dont see results coming from the ale they dont care...
they are lazy and dont ant to be bothered... there are no inter agaency reporting or alerts for reporting from one station to the other.. beth and dave went to several police stations and they found out that not everyone knew about natalee
how pitiful is that..
makes me sick!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 15, 2008, 05:07:19 PM
Destiny
great job girl!! now all we need to know is:
were these three guys american.. or were they the (usual pimps.).. I seriously doubt they were american.!!! it just seems to Arubanish to me.
how do we  publicize it and make  the american public aware of the dangers of traveling to aruba....
I get so upset when I read the comments made by the ale.
Comments like the girls was drunk and wanted sex with three men!!
doesnt add up and they continue to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.
the goverment of Aruba is narcisistic!! they produce that kind of population....
as evidenced by their comments and the arogance of  the officials and the criminals...
how long will americans continue to be victimized on that god forsaken island..

it is totaly sickening what  is said and done there by  aruban officials...

boycott continues.. until we see justice served...

The 3 rapists...were indeed locals to the island...ALE told me they were *beach bums*...whatever that menas....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 15, 2008, 05:17:38 PM
Destiny
great job girl!! now all we need to know is:
were these three guys american.. or were they the (usual pimps.).. I seriously doubt they were american.!!! it just seems to Arubanish to me.
how do we  publicize it and make  the american public aware of the dangers of traveling to aruba....
I get so upset when I read the comments made by the ale.
Comments like the girls was drunk and wanted sex with three men!!
doesnt add up and they continue to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.
the goverment of Aruba is narcisistic!! they produce that kind of population....
as evidenced by their comments and the arogance of  the officials and the criminals...
how long will americans continue to be victimized on that god forsaken island..

it is totaly sickening what  is said and done there by  aruban officials...

boycott continues.. until we see justice served...

The 3 rapists...were indeed locals to the island...ALE told me they were *beach bums*...whatever that menas....

Geoffrey Cromvroit comes to mind.  That is what he was called.  He worked beach patrol too as his daddy owned the security outfit.  They may have been involved, some of them as they have had an example set before them and probably had enough on the others no one will arrest or prosecute.  Wonder what GC was doing that night.
He was on beach patrol last I heard.    J/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 15, 2008, 05:35:09 PM
Destiny, you have done such a fantastic job as usual!!! Keep up the great work!!

This story is unbelieveable!!! Pisses me off to no end. I commented on the front page the other day, of course these local youths are going to keep up the crimes, for crying out loud, joran killed a girl and there are pics of him partying naked on a beach!! There are just no consequences for their actions...and of course Aruba proves me right!!! Blame the victim again!!! Unbelieveable!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 05:46:04 PM
Here are some of the things Destiny learned from a phone call to ALE today:

1.  The woman was very drunk and picked up the 3 guys ALE thinks to pay them for sex
2.  They guys were referred to as "beach bums" around 20yrs old or so
3.  That she met them at the club (I'm assuming Moombas)
4.  ALE claims that they used HER camera to take photos of her.  Her husband saw the photos and that's why she is claiming she was raped (to cover her butt with her husband)
5.  She is still in Aruba because since she filed charges she has to stay

My point is it's really not LIKELY that a married woman goes to Aruba with her husband and then pays for sex with 3 locals.  Far more likely she was drunk or drugged and they took advantage of her because of course SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT (the mindset of the Aruban male).

Well if it is her camera she must have the photo's right.

I believe the husband saw the photos and they were not from her camera.  How did these guys know she had a camera.  Was she wearing the camera around her neck when she left with them or did they try and rob her and find her camera.

This is the biggest bullshit story so far.

Do we know how long she has to stay in Aruba.

San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny

So if she drops the charges will she get it back?  Or will it go into the black hole that Aruba throws all the evidence into.  That black hole must be getting full  ::MonkeyShocked::

By the way Destiny you are doing a great job with your calls.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: katiekatie2u on June 15, 2008, 05:46:53 PM
the three guys were beach bums!!
as in homeless... but living as bums on the beach!!
beach squatter's possibly druggies with no where to crash so they get high and hang out on the beachs.
by the way like in the scenario with natalee.
they victimize females knowing full well that they are leaving the island and wont stay to press charges.. but than came beth with all her powers ..which was not expected  of her...
the same is continuing to happen. women tourists are raped and victimized.. the police dont care and wont take it serious.. they just dont wanna be  bothered with it... theres just to much money to count.. for looking the other way!!!
Rudy croes said that joran was non grata in aruba.. I dont believe anything that comes out of their mouths.. all lies.. he could very well be there for fathers day and we dont know it.. the thailand pics could of been to throw us off ya think...
if they were serious they would make the whole bunch of sloots non grata including the kalpoes..

watch the DNA from the rape disapppear like the bodies of many did..

those idiots need a good spell of reality check ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 15, 2008, 05:48:29 PM
SS wrote;
Quote
BB - How are you doing with the thought prints?  Are you confused, yet?

LOL I haven't had much time to read really, I am only on page 52.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 05:50:44 PM
Destiny
great job girl!! now all we need to know is:
were these three guys american.. or were they the (usual pimps.).. I seriously doubt they were american.!!! it just seems to Arubanish to me.
how do we  publicize it and make  the american public aware of the dangers of traveling to aruba....
I get so upset when I read the comments made by the ale.
Comments like the girls was drunk and wanted sex with three men!!
doesnt add up and they continue to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.
the goverment of Aruba is narcisistic!! they produce that kind of population....
as evidenced by their comments and the arogance of  the officials and the criminals...
how long will americans continue to be victimized on that god forsaken island..

it is totaly sickening what  is said and done there by  aruban officials...

boycott continues.. until we see justice served...

The 3 rapists...were indeed locals to the island...ALE told me they were *beach bums*...whatever that menas....
It means they are friends of Renfro  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 05:52:44 PM
Destiny
great job girl!! now all we need to know is:
were these three guys american.. or were they the (usual pimps.).. I seriously doubt they were american.!!! it just seems to Arubanish to me.
how do we  publicize it and make  the american public aware of the dangers of traveling to aruba....
I get so upset when I read the comments made by the ale.
Comments like the girls was drunk and wanted sex with three men!!
doesnt add up and they continue to look like fools everytime they open their mouths.
the goverment of Aruba is narcisistic!! they produce that kind of population....
as evidenced by their comments and the arogance of  the officials and the criminals...
how long will americans continue to be victimized on that god forsaken island..

it is totaly sickening what  is said and done there by  aruban officials...

boycott continues.. until we see justice served...

The 3 rapists...were indeed locals to the island...ALE told me they were *beach bums*...whatever that menas....
It means they are friends of Renfro  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 15, 2008, 05:57:50 PM
Tamikosmom wrote;
Quote
bb ... when you consider the above quotes you provided as well as Dave's words ... I believe that Natalee Holloway may have been inebriated.

Nevertheless ... I do believe that the last drink which Joran bought for her prior from that little bar in the back of Carlos and Charlies... was spiked with a date rape drug and ... the combination ...

Yes I agree he knew with bars closing that was likely to be the last drink, and spiked it. I actually used to think it possible that maybe the bartenders spiked the drink when given a signal of some sort by Joran. I now feel Joran was the one responsible for the drug being given.

Thanks for the additional quotes Janet. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 15, 2008, 05:59:06 PM
Hell hath no fury like a woman porned!
 :smt074 :smt074 :smt074

true enough!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: honestly bearlythere.... ::MonkeyShocked::

having said that, if these pictures can be retrieved (and they should be able to do this even with the apparent rudimentary skill available on aruba) this should help prove or disprove the accuations.
let's hope that on top of a rape kit that the ALE were also getting  blood/urine tests for this young woman, as we know GHB etc dissipate very quickly in the bloodstream but they can be verified if done quickly enough

Knowing what we know......I would have almost advised this woman to take her own urine sample and bring it back to the US for testing. Don't imagine it is totally legal for prosecution purposes, but better than nothing, worth a shot.

I was thinking the same thing, BB.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 06:11:15 PM
Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...

I bet they all get away with this because the woman run back to America get the F*ck out of Aruba.
I can't believe they gave her name to you, see woman are treated like trash in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 15, 2008, 06:12:09 PM
Destiny wrote;

Quote
San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny

If I am recalling correctly Destiny didn't the manager or bar person at Moombas say she had been there partying the past three nights? If I am correct about this it would not be unusual for the woman to bring her camera with her to the bar and take pics of herself with some of the locals. She established a pattern in going there, and probably considered them friends/acquaintances. They probably thoroughly expected her to be at the bar that night. That is my guess. So ALE will say she had already known the 3 --her camera pics will prove it. The guys set her up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 06:21:32 PM
FYI - the Help Find the Missing forum has been hacked  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 06:27:02 PM
HOLY SH*T who is star



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 06:30:37 PM
Looks like it might be the same hacker that hacked into some of the Aruban websites.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 15, 2008, 06:31:18 PM
Posted by SunnyInTx 8/22/2006 on LCD, brought over from RU:

Another Attempted Rape Case On Aruba

From 8/22/06 Diario


Short and sweet

A 36 ye old British woman with the B.J.L.B. reported an attempted "violation" upon her person at about 8:15 am Monday morning by a man of 5' 9" height, grey eyes and brown hair. The woman was able to fight off the purported attacker and told the police that in the struggle she had marked the mans face with scratches.
THIS IS REPORTED TO HAVE OCCURED IN THE AREA OF THE FISHERMAN HUTS.

Diario is calling on the people at the High Rise hotel - some who claim to have heard and or seen the attack to come forward with information to avoid another story that could harm tourism.

+++++++++++++++++
    
Murder and Crime Rate In Aruba
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2006, 04:37:03 AM »
Tracey Allen, U.S. tourist, attempted assault

“Nine days” before Holloway disappearance, she was walking just after dawn near Fisherman’s Huts. (She has a time share at the Marriott.)  A man wearing only a shirt tried to drag her into his car, which was running. She reported it to the police, gave a description and license number. Never heard back from them. When she heard (re. the Holloway case) that NH had been left near the Fisherman's Huts, she contacted FBI. On March 12, 2006, she went on Fox Big Story (Rita Cosby).

http://tinyurl.com/o8h5l --
Rita: You go to the aruban authorities and you don't get any calls back from ALE?

Tracy: No, first time I was contacted the FBI took my statement and didn't contact me again until December 2 when I did the sketch

Rita: This is the sketch you contributed to ALE..is this a local guy do you think?

Tracy: I believe he was local, he had an older car, not like a newer rental car that a tourist would have.

++++++++++++++

Woman Claims Rape Where Missing Teen Was Last Seen In Aruba

Other Vacationers Say Island Is Safe

 June 6, 2005
BOSTON -- With its year-round warmth and nearly rain-free climate, Aruba has become a vacation oasis for thousands of Massachusetts residents. But in recent days, a dark side has emerged.

NewsCenter 5's Amalia Barreda reported that a local woman said she was raped after leaving the same bar in Aruba where missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway was last seen.

"Aruba is not as safe as the commercials make it out to be," said Marie, who withheld her last name.

Marie said she made four trips to Aruba with friends and believed the island was safe. That's why she had no qualms about traveling there alone for Christmas 2001. She stayed at the same Holiday Inn where Holloway and her high school classmates booked their rooms. On Christmas Eve, Marie said she went to Carlos 'N Charlie's, the same bar where the missing Alabama teen was last seen.

When she left, Marie said a man pulled her into his car, drove away and raped her.

"As I was being pulled into vehicle, screams came out of me that I couldn't imagine ever coming out of me of me and people did nothing," said Marie.

"I have never felt threatened, felt scared. Aruba is home away from home for me and always will be," said Neely Cosentino, an Aruba homeowner.

Cosentino said she and her husband bought a second home in Aruba and spend more than half the year there. She said they made the investment because they believe the island is safe. The government does not tolerant crime because tourism is their top industry.

"Over 500,000 tourists a year visit Aruba, and if it wasn't because of us Americans, Aruba wouldn't be the way it is. So to answer your question, there is zero tolerance for anybody that is threatening or doing any damage to Americans," said Cosentino.

Marie said she managed to get away from her assailant that night. She said she did not report the attack to island police because she was alone and afraid, but mostly because she would not have been able to identify her attacker.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/4576170/detail.html





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 15, 2008, 06:34:48 PM
Destiny wrote;

Quote
San...I sent ALL/MUCH info from my call this morning to ALE...to Klaas...I requested Klaas to post only a few things that she chose to post...some would not be wise to post at this point...I will post one small item here...I was told that the ALE have in their posession the memory card to her camera...as evidence...in hopes to prove her wrong in her rape charge against the 3 locals...what will happen to that memory card....who knows...

Destiny

If I am recalling correctly Destiny didn't the manager or bar person at Moombas say she had been there partying the past three nights? If I am correct about this it would not be unusual for the woman to bring her camera with her to the bar and take pics of herself with some of the locals. She established a pattern in going there, and probably considered them friends/acquaintances. They probably thoroughly expected her to be at the bar that night. That is my guess. So ALE will say she had already known the 3 --her camera pics will prove it. The guys set her up.

I agree Bleached.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 06:35:40 PM
WARNING - If you are a member of the Help Find the Missing  forum, it has been hacked.  If you get an email from ADMIN from the HFTM forum it is from the HACKER.  DO NOT click on any links the hacker sends you!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 06:54:35 PM
I didn't mean for everyone to stop posting here, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Just wanted to warn people about the HFTM site  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2008, 06:57:36 PM
FYI - the Help Find the Missing forum has been hacked  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas ... why would the forum have been hacked when it is accessible for all to see?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I am clueless concerning so many aspects of the computer.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 15, 2008, 07:03:41 PM
WARNING - If you are a member of the Help Find the Missing  forum, it has been hacked.  If you get an email from ADMIN from the HFTM forum it is from the HACKER.  DO NOT click on any links the hacker sends you!!

YES I got 6 I sent them to SPAM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
FYI - the Help Find the Missing forum has been hacked  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas ... why would the forum have been hacked when it is accessible for all to see?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I am clueless concerning so many aspects of the computer.

Thanks

Janet

These hackers get their jollies out of gaining access to the site.  When they do, they have access like Admin with gives them access to emails etc. 

It has nothing to do with whether the forum is open to the public or not, it's a power thing.  The hacker gets a thrill out of gaining access and control of the forum or site. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 07:05:17 PM
Blonde - I got six as well but noticed that the last 3 had links attached in the emails.  I just wanted to warn people not to click on those links.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 15, 2008, 07:13:14 PM
FYI - the Help Find the Missing forum has been hacked  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Klaas ... why would the forum have been hacked when it is accessible for all to see?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I am clueless concerning so many aspects of the computer.

Thanks

Janet

These hackers get their jollies out of gaining access to the site.  When they do, they have access like Admin with gives them access to emails etc. 

It has nothing to do with whether the forum is open to the public or not, it's a power thing.  The hacker gets a thrill out of gaining access and control of the forum or site. 

Thanks Klaas.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 15, 2008, 07:16:02 PM
Is Destiny back on the phone?
Didn't they tell her to call back in 1/2 hour.
She is amazing by the way!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 15, 2008, 07:16:28 PM
I'm going to be gone for a while at my inlaws for Father's Day dinner.  Be back later.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 15, 2008, 07:17:21 PM
WARNING - If you are a member of the Help Find the Missing  forum, it has been hacked.  If you get an email from ADMIN from the HFTM forum it is from the HACKER.  DO NOT click on any links the hacker sends you!!


Thanks....I just got 5
Hackers suck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 15, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Looks like it might be the same hacker that hacked into some of the Aruban websites.


mmmmmmm......that is weird.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: caesu on June 15, 2008, 09:21:38 PM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.
I read some where last night that he will be AG on aruba for 6 months and he starts work June 23rd IIRC.

you are right, he starts work june 23rd. appointment is for 6 months.

his appointment was approved last friday.

http://www.minbzk.nl/onderwerpen/de-nederlandse/114135/benoeming_3

he has been:

*judge at the Common Court Antilles/Aruba (80s, early 90s?)
*procureur general of the Antilles (before 1998)
*vice-chairman of the advisory board to the governor of the Antilles (chairman of that board is the governor himself). (at least since 1998)

*as far as i know he is still general counsel to the Bank of the Antilles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 09:24:54 PM
Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...



So, by the admission of ALE and the Beach Patrol, there have been two American tourists raped on the beach within the past 10 days.  This is just outrageous.  We need to really publicize these two rapes in Washington.  I supposed the 38 year old woman was also asking for it.  American women are not safe on the crappy island. I am furious and I'm sending more emails.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SS on June 15, 2008, 09:58:30 PM
I just sent an email to Senator Joe Biden who is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  I asked for official warnings for all American citizens traveling to Aruba.  The basis for my request was Natalee Holloway, drugs, thefts, and rape.  I reminded him that there is no protection for American citizens traveling to Aruba.


Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. His email is from his website at - http://biden.senate.gov/contact/  .  Follow the instructions on the webpage.  He is the senator from Delaware.  There is an email form to send messages.  If they get enough messages maybe they will pay attention.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 15, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
I just sent an email to Senator Joe Biden who is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.  I asked for official warnings for all American citizens traveling to Aruba.  The basis for my request was Natalee Holloway, drugs, thefts, and rape.  I reminded him that there is no protection for American citizens traveling to Aruba.


Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. His email is from his website at - http://biden.senate.gov/contact/  .  Follow the instructions on the webpage.  He is the senator from Delaware.  There is an email form to send messages.  If they get enough messages maybe they will pay attention.

Hi SS

The apropo (and I mean this incidentally) ~ would Mr. (Senator) Biden's daughter be holiday-in' in Aruba?

 :idea:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 15, 2008, 10:17:54 PM
Klaas...I just got off the phone with Beach Patrol...talked with someone different than yesterday...but, someone I have talked with before in the past....I was trying to see if they have computer records of the current Eagle Beach assault on record yet...he was doing some checking for me...couldn't find that one...BUT...he did find a record from 9 days ago...of another assault reported by an AMERICAN woman by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxx...who was staying at the Marriott...this woman filed a report with beach patrol that she was assauled at the Marriot...don't know if inside or out...the hotel...he told me to call back in half an hour to talk with someone else...also said this woman is 38 yrs old...and it does not sound like the first woman at all...that first woman was staying at the Holiday Inn...

WTF is going on????

Destiny....will email her name to you in a second...gonna go smoke a ciggy...



So, by the admission of ALE and the Beach Patrol, there have been two American tourists raped on the beach within the past 10 days.  This is just outrageous.  We need to really publicize these two rapes in Washington.  I supposed the 38 year old woman was also asking for it.  American women are not safe on the crappy island. I am furious and I'm sending more emails.





This was on an older monkeys page in answer to the Cromvroits being beach and hotel security:

snip:If he presently is serving as the following, I have little hope of anything being done to help.  j/b

Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: msmarple on June 15, 2008, 11:21:12 PM
The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 16, 2008, 12:16:35 AM

Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).


I'm pretty sure that Judge Witt is retired. Judge Smit should be too. He's fairly well-healed and a buddy of PvdS. I think the two may be in cahoots with money laundering in the Caribbean.


The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands (prior to Judgeship on Curacao)

This Rick Smid is the same Judge Smid who let Joran out of jail along with the Kalpoes and Freddy during Hurricane Katrina. If anyone would, he would know the ins and outs of money laundering, afterall he was the keynote speaker on money laundering at the Carribean Financial Task Force.

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 05:28:13 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 05:36:16 AM
Someone asked a question about the DNA one day.  I don't remember if it was ever answered.
*******************************************
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,164175,00.html

Court: No DNA in Natalee Case
Saturday, July 30, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

A court ruled Friday that DNA samples collected from the Dutch youth jailed in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and one of his friends could not be used in a case against them.

No one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search), who disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. No trace of her has been found.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, the only person who remains jailed in the case, has admitted he spent part of the evening with her. He has said through his family and lawyers that he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

The court ruled Friday that prosecutors did not clarify what his DNA samples would be compared with, but said the prosecution could request new DNA samples from van der Sloot if they had documents clarifying what would be used in the comparison.

In the case of Satish Kalpoe (search), van der Sloot's friend who was jailed and then released in the case, the court ruled there was not enough evidence to warrant using the tests.

Also Friday, police and a volunteer group from Texas searched a landfill in hopes of finding clues about what happened to Holloway. Edwin Comenencia, the police spokesman, declined to say what prompted the search.

"So far they have found nothing," he said.

Van der Sloot is the only person detained as a suspect in the case. Satish, 18, and his 21-year-old brother Deepak Kalpoe (search), were previously held and released.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., vanished after an evening at a nightclub that she left with the three young men, hours before she was to fly home at the end of the trip with 124 classmates.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 16, 2008, 05:41:08 AM
Someone asked a question about the DNA one day.  I don't remember if it was ever answered.
*******************************************
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,164175,00.html

Court: No DNA in Natalee Case
Saturday, July 30, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

A court ruled Friday that DNA samples collected from the Dutch youth jailed in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and one of his friends could not be used in a case against them.

No one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search), who disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. No trace of her has been found.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, the only person who remains jailed in the case, has admitted he spent part of the evening with her. He has said through his family and lawyers that he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

The court ruled Friday that prosecutors did not clarify what his DNA samples would be compared with, but said the prosecution could request new DNA samples from van der Sloot if they had documents clarifying what would be used in the comparison.

In the case of Satish Kalpoe (search), van der Sloot's friend who was jailed and then released in the case, the court ruled there was not enough evidence to warrant using the tests.

Also Friday, police and a volunteer group from Texas searched a landfill in hopes of finding clues about what happened to Holloway. Edwin Comenencia, the police spokesman, declined to say what prompted the search.

"So far they have found nothing," he said.

Van der Sloot is the only person detained as a suspect in the case. Satish, 18, and his 21-year-old brother Deepak Kalpoe (search), were previously held and released.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., vanished after an evening at a nightclub that she left with the three young men, hours before she was to fly home at the end of the trip with 124 classmates.








Good morning Bearlyhere and Johan…This is from the Dr. Phil Log from around that time….there isn’t anyone else on the Log that may have been her…maybe another Monkey can eliminate one of these...sorry, a little fuzzy and just catching up this morning!

File #: 2005.08.31.2198/1046
Name: Not Stated (tip line call)
Date: 27 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Edwin Jacinto Comenencia
Description: tip about a jogger in the Raquet Club area

Name: Amanda Portocarrero
Date: 28 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soerners
Description: witness statement

Name: Judith Geerman
Date: 29 July 2005
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 16, 2008, 06:13:15 AM
Catching up…I believe these were 2 of the girls that complained about being drugged and the involuntary sex, that Beth had referred to and no charges were ever acted on. Carmen may have been the third.    Dennis Jacobs???


Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 07:27:43 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?

TJ Ward had identified a lady in the new construction area around the racquet club, that identified the car by the lights.  I think she later changed her mind.  Here is a partial description by TJ Ward.:

T.J. WARD, P.I. FOR HOLLOWAY TWITTY FAMILY: Well, one of the things that I figure that the witness that I found saw the car that was used in the disappearance and on the 28th, 29th and 30th. And it just seemed a little strange to me that a week later the same car shows up three or four times in the same area around that pond.

Those boys were there looking for something. And there's a good possibility that the body could be buried, because there was very, very little water in there around the 29th and 30th of May, and shortly before the storm hit and the hurricane, that's what caused all the water to be there.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/27/lkl.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 07:28:47 AM
Someone asked a question about the DNA one day.  I don't remember if it was ever answered.
*******************************************
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,164175,00.html

Court: No DNA in Natalee Case
Saturday, July 30, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

A court ruled Friday that DNA samples collected from the Dutch youth jailed in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and one of his friends could not be used in a case against them.

No one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search), who disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. No trace of her has been found.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, the only person who remains jailed in the case, has admitted he spent part of the evening with her. He has said through his family and lawyers that he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

The court ruled Friday that prosecutors did not clarify what his DNA samples would be compared with, but said the prosecution could request new DNA samples from van der Sloot if they had documents clarifying what would be used in the comparison.

In the case of Satish Kalpoe (search), van der Sloot's friend who was jailed and then released in the case, the court ruled there was not enough evidence to warrant using the tests.

Also Friday, police and a volunteer group from Texas searched a landfill in hopes of finding clues about what happened to Holloway. Edwin Comenencia, the police spokesman, declined to say what prompted the search.

"So far they have found nothing," he said.

Van der Sloot is the only person detained as a suspect in the case. Satish, 18, and his 21-year-old brother Deepak Kalpoe (search), were previously held and released.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., vanished after an evening at a nightclub that she left with the three young men, hours before she was to fly home at the end of the trip with 124 classmates.








Good morning Bearlyhere and Johan…This is from the Dr. Phil Log from around that time….there isn’t anyone else on the Log that may have been her…maybe another Monkey can eliminate one of these...sorry, a little fuzzy and just catching up this morning!

File #: 2005.08.31.2198/1046
Name: Not Stated (tip line call)
Date: 27 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Edwin Jacinto Comenencia
Description: tip about a jogger in the Raquet Club area

Name: Amanda Portocarrero
Date: 28 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soerners
Description: witness statement

Name: Judith Geerman
Date: 29 July 2005
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


I actually think the jogger was a totally different witness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 16, 2008, 07:59:32 AM
Someone asked a question about the DNA one day.  I don't remember if it was ever answered.
*******************************************
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,164175,00.html

Court: No DNA in Natalee Case
Saturday, July 30, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

A court ruled Friday that DNA samples collected from the Dutch youth jailed in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager and one of his friends could not be used in a case against them.

No one has been charged in the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway (search), who disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. No trace of her has been found.

Joran van der Sloot (search), 17, the only person who remains jailed in the case, has admitted he spent part of the evening with her. He has said through his family and lawyers that he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

The court ruled Friday that prosecutors did not clarify what his DNA samples would be compared with, but said the prosecution could request new DNA samples from van der Sloot if they had documents clarifying what would be used in the comparison.

In the case of Satish Kalpoe (search), van der Sloot's friend who was jailed and then released in the case, the court ruled there was not enough evidence to warrant using the tests.

Also Friday, police and a volunteer group from Texas searched a landfill in hopes of finding clues about what happened to Holloway. Edwin Comenencia, the police spokesman, declined to say what prompted the search.

"So far they have found nothing," he said.

Van der Sloot is the only person detained as a suspect in the case. Satish, 18, and his 21-year-old brother Deepak Kalpoe (search), were previously held and released.

Holloway, from Mountain Brook, Ala., vanished after an evening at a nightclub that she left with the three young men, hours before she was to fly home at the end of the trip with 124 classmates.








Good morning Bearlyhere and Johan…This is from the Dr. Phil Log from around that time….there isn’t anyone else on the Log that may have been her…maybe another Monkey can eliminate one of these...sorry, a little fuzzy and just catching up this morning!

File #: 2005.08.31.2198/1046
Name: Not Stated (tip line call)
Date: 27 July 2005
Pages: 1
Writer/Initiator: Edwin Jacinto Comenencia
Description: tip about a jogger in the Raquet Club area

Name: Amanda Portocarrero
Date: 28 July 2005
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soerners
Description: witness statement

Name: Judith Geerman
Date: 29 July 2005
Pages: I
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement


I actually think the jogger was a totally different witness.


Thanks Buckeye...So some-one saw the jogger, and there was a female witness and the gardener that saw them near the Racquet Club.

Also three Racquet Club employees questioned and Sanchez the HI/Racquet Club coach asked for something to be returned from ALE, if in fact that witness is Sanchez and not Sanches!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Pita on June 16, 2008, 08:14:24 AM

Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).


I'm pretty sure that Judge Witt is retired. Judge Smit should be too. He's fairly well-healed and a buddy of PvdS. I think the two may be in cahoots with money laundering in the Caribbean.


The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands (prior to Judgeship on Curacao)

This Rick Smid is the same Judge Smid who let Joran out of jail along with the Kalpoes and Freddy during Hurricane Katrina. If anyone would, he would know the ins and outs of money laundering, afterall he was the keynote speaker on money laundering at the Carribean Financial Task Force.

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


I don't believe Judge Witt is retired.  Rather, he was elevated to the Caribbean Court of Justice on June 1, 2005, right before Natalee went missing.  Makes me question if he had jurisdiction to involve himself in a local case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 08:19:48 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?

TJ Ward had identified a lady in the new construction area around the racquet club, that identified the car by the lights.  I think she later changed her mind.  Here is a partial description by TJ Ward.:

T.J. WARD, P.I. FOR HOLLOWAY TWITTY FAMILY: Well, one of the things that I figure that the witness that I found saw the car that was used in the disappearance and on the 28th, 29th and 30th. And it just seemed a little strange to me that a week later the same car shows up three or four times in the same area around that pond.

Those boys were there looking for something. And there's a good possibility that the body could be buried, because there was very, very little water in there around the 29th and 30th of May, and shortly before the storm hit and the hurricane, that's what caused all the water to be there.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/27/lkl.01.html

Thanks, Buckeye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 16, 2008, 08:26:19 AM

Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).


I'm pretty sure that Judge Witt is retired. Judge Smit should be too. He's fairly well-healed and a buddy of PvdS. I think the two may be in cahoots with money laundering in the Caribbean.


The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands (prior to Judgeship on Curacao)

This Rick Smid is the same Judge Smid who let Joran out of jail along with the Kalpoes and Freddy during Hurricane Katrina. If anyone would, he would know the ins and outs of money laundering, afterall he was the keynote speaker on money laundering at the Carribean Financial Task Force.

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


I don't believe Judge Witt is retired.  Rather, he was elevated to the Caribbean Court of Justice on June 1, 2005, right before Natalee went missing.  Makes me question if he had jurisdiction to involve himself in a local case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html



Thanks Pita....I always questioned that as well, but I have read that he was working both courts! There was a link posted in the Shango thread by JE a while back on all the Judges, but I couldn't get past the first page of Dutch! Maybe Johan or caesu can help explain the process for us?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 08:41:50 AM
Tamikosmom wrote;
Quote
bb ... when you consider the above quotes you provided as well as Dave's words ... I believe that Natalee Holloway may have been inebriated.

Nevertheless ... I do believe that the last drink which Joran bought for her prior from that little bar in the back of Carlos and Charlies... was spiked with a date rape drug and ... the combination ...

Yes I agree he knew with bars closing that was likely to be the last drink, and spiked it. I actually used to think it possible that maybe the bartenders spiked the drink when given a signal of some sort by Joran. I now feel Joran was the one responsible for the drug being given.

Thanks for the additional quotes Janet. ::MonkeyWink::
But what about what Dave said in his book about the bartenders having a special bottle labled women only?I still think there is a possibility that a bartender or 2 from C&C's was drugging females.....for a price.Afterall,joran did have a special VIP pass to get in underaged.I think paulus arranged for that free pass,just like in the casinos,for his underaged son.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 08:50:27 AM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.
I read some where last night that he will be AG on aruba for 6 months and he starts work June 23rd IIRC.

you are right, he starts work june 23rd. appointment is for 6 months.

his appointment was approved last friday.

http://www.minbzk.nl/onderwerpen/de-nederlandse/114135/benoeming_3

he has been:

*judge at the Common Court Antilles/Aruba (80s, early 90s?)
*procureur general of the Antilles (before 1998)
*vice-chairman of the advisory board to the governor of the Antilles (chairman of that board is the governor himself). (at least since 1998)

*as far as i know he is still general counsel to the Bank of the Antilles.
Thanks for the info Caesu.
So for each island(aruba,bonair etc)there is a governor and then the rest of the political group.....then there is also another governer/group that oversees the Antilles?Or is aruba also known as the Antilles?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 09:01:45 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?
Thank you Bearly!
I have been looking for this interview for a while now.I think this was a witness Art(?)found who later said she would not give a statement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 09:13:13 AM

Be careful what you wish for!

*************************
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/30/earlyshow/main802484.shtml

Suspect's Kin Answer Natalee's
PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 30, 2005

(CBS) Paul and Anita van der Sloot's dream is to have their son home.

In an exclusive interview with CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella, Anita says, "We want him to go on with his life."

Joran van der Sloot, 18, has been held since early June in the May 30 disappearance from Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran hasn't been charged, but authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island have named him a suspect in the case.

His parents say the only thing established for sure is that Joran was with Natalee the night she vanished, and they stand by his insistence that he didn't hurt her.

Prosecutors have to notify Joran's attorney if they plan to ask a judge to hold him for 30 more days. As of Monday night, it hadn't happened. A hearing is set for Wednesday, and Joran could be set free.

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, says she's convinced Joran is guilty and that Paul, a one-time judge in training, is helping Joran get away with it.

Paul denies it, saying, "We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to tell the truth."

From the beginning, Cobiella says, Joran has been the main suspect, and the primary focus of prosecutors and the press. Anita accuses both of following bad leads and spreading rumors, instead of looking for the truth.

But she's most upset with Holloway's family for attacking her son and husband on television.

"I think what the family is doing is terrible," Anita says. "I don't think it's their right to do these things like this. I know they must be upset."

The van der Sloots have chosen to defend themselves only sporadically until now, because they blame the U.S. media for making their son look guilty.

"News should be based on facts," Anita says. "If not, it's a show … to damage people, to slander people. That is no news, no news at all."

But the van der Sloots agree with Holloway's family on this: The investigation was botched from the beginning and, they add, that they also desperately want the mystery solved.

"If Natalee is never found," Paul says, "it will always, always hit our lives, not only the lives of the Holloways, but also our lives."

The van der Sloots have an angel in their home they keep lit for Natalee, but right now their focus is on their own child.

"Our goal is to get Joran back," Anita says. "I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough."
*************************************

Hi Mommy!  I'm home!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108-1.jpg)

Did your dream come true, mommy?  Just like you taught me--not to hide anything.  That big bad American media stopped making me look guilty.  I'm in the Dutch media now where news is based on fact so there is no show, it's the real me.  Your goal has been realized, your sporter is back!  Aren't you happy Daddy?

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108.jpg)

                                 Mom are you home?

                                  I'll be right there dear.

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/ladywithtp.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: caesu on June 16, 2008, 09:16:39 AM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.
I read some where last night that he will be AG on aruba for 6 months and he starts work June 23rd IIRC.

you are right, he starts work june 23rd. appointment is for 6 months.

his appointment was approved last friday.

http://www.minbzk.nl/onderwerpen/de-nederlandse/114135/benoeming_3

he has been:

*judge at the Common Court Antilles/Aruba (80s, early 90s?)
*procureur general of the Antilles (before 1998)
*vice-chairman of the advisory board to the governor of the Antilles (chairman of that board is the governor himself). (at least since 1998)

*as far as i know he is still general counsel to the Bank of the Antilles.
Thanks for the info Caesu.
So for each island(aruba,bonair etc)there is a governor and then the rest of the political group.....then there is also another governer/group that oversees the Antilles?Or is aruba also known as the Antilles?

there is a governor for Aruba.
http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=default

and a governor for the Antilles (Curaçao, Bonaire, St. Maarten, Saba, St. Eustatius).
http://www.gouverneur.an/index.php?lang=en

there is a OM on Aruba with a procureur general.
and a OM on the Antilles with a procureur general.

but Aruba and the Antilles share a Higher Court on Curaçao.

but next year it is all going to change.
Curaçao and St. Maarten are also getting status aparte just as Aruba.
so then i think there are three governors.
maybe also three OM and three procureur generals but maybe Curaçao and St. Maarten will continue to share the OM.

they will continue to share the Higher Court. Rudy Croes wants this moved to Aruba.
or allow the Higher Court to have sessions on Aruba.
because he doesn't like that Arubans have to go to Curaçao for appeals.

Bonaire, Saba ans St. Eustatius become special Dutch municipalities.
so they become something like a overseas Dutch town.
they are then part of the European Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles#Future_status



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 09:17:41 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?
Thank you Bearly!
I have been looking for this interview for a while now.I think this was a witness Art(?)found who later said she would not give a statement.

You're welcome.  I didn't remember what happened after this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 09:38:28 AM
Bearly  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 16, 2008, 09:55:27 AM
Who is the governor of Aruba?  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 09:59:11 AM
Who is the governor of Aruba?  TIA

Fredis Refunjol
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fredis Refunjol is the current governor of Aruba. Governor Refunjol was born in Aruba in 1950, and is married to Clarette Lopez. Together they have two daughters and one son. Mr. Refunjol assumed the office of Governor on May 1, 2004. The debate by Aruban Parliament regarding the nomination of Mr. Refunjol for Governor stood out, because his nomination was supported unanimously. At that time, he already had a long political career behind him. In his last position, he acted as the Minister of Education and Administrative Affairs, as well as Deputy Prime Minister. Mr. Refunjol also was the informateur (politician who investigates on behalf of the Crown whether a proposed cabinet formation will succeed) during the formation of the Cabinets Oduber I and II, and he was the formateur of Cabinet Oduber III.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredis_Refunjol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 10:36:47 AM
Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 10:44:24 AM
Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...

I vote a "that a boy" call to Dr. Phil....just to let him know we are thinking about the case....well, and maybe any gossip, he may want to share. 

Maybe you should use one of those walmart, pay as you go, untraceable phones.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 10:48:01 AM
Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...

Destiny - don't pay attention to them!  Do you mean BFN (Blogs for Natalee) or BNH (Bring Natalee Home?).  If it's BFN I can post there and let them know you are for real (not that they listen to me, lol).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 16, 2008, 10:48:24 AM
Destiny who cares, They only wish they had the nerve to call.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 10:48:24 AM
Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...

I vote a "that a boy" call to Dr. Phil....just to let him know we are thinking about the case....well, and maybe any gossip, he may want to share. 

Maybe you should use one of those walmart, pay as you go, untraceable phones.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will...someone is getting the # for the head Lawyer handling the suit case for me...hint...hint...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 10:50:33 AM
Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...

Destiny - don't pay attention to them!  Do you mean BFN (Blogs for Natalee) or BNH (Bring Natalee Home?).  If it's BFN I can post there and let them know you are for real (not that they listen to me, lol).

It's Blogs For Natalee...BFN....sheesh....They/whomever can do their own follow-up calls based in the info posted here...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 10:51:02 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?

Bearlyhere ... the declaraction of the pond witness went "poof".  Something akin to the declaration of the gardener ... something akin to the declarations of the girls who claimed they were drugged and assaulted by Joran van der Sloot ...

Janet

++++++

THE POND WITNESS

TJ Ward
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005


T.J. WARD, INVESTIGATOR HIRED BY NATALEE`S FAMILY: Well, I don`t know how she could change her story because when I took her statement from her, she described a car to a T. And then about 30 minutes later, I came back with a picture from law enforcement that was used when they took the -- Deepak`s car into custody and took pictures of it. And she specifically said, That`s the car. That`s the car that I saw a week after the 28th -- I mean, the 29th and 30th of May, that was seen three times in the subdivision of the racquet club, where she lives, and was around the subdivision ...

The funny thing about this is if the gardener`s story is correct ...  then this, in fact, would put this in the vicinity where it`s happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIMS

Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report' for February 24
February 24, 2006  

TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.

We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/


THE GARDENER

Dave Holloway
Hannity & Colmes
August 10, 2005


COLMES: The question is cover up or incompetence? Is the person working with you getting to the bottom of it?

HOLLOWAY: I spoke to him today, he is as perplexed about all of this as we are. Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. That is the work of the defense of course. Some witnesses may be scared to come forward for fear of repercussions.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 10:57:58 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?


Thank you Bearly!
I have been looking for this interview for a while now.I think this was a witness Art(?)found who later said she would not give a statement.


Good Morning Karma

I thought it was Art Woods too but ... ended up finding the quote you thinking about and ... discovered it was TJ Ward.

Hey ... both they guys are private investigators.  We should get points for that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
8:00 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 10:58:11 AM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 16, 2008, 11:06:08 AM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

maybe renho snuck in there..lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: mrskub on June 16, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
Destiny, I for one am pretty proud of you as I'm sure all of the monkeys are. You're a hero in my book. You initiated so many wonderful things here at SM and are always willing to go that extra mile, despite your own personal situation. You hold your head up high, honey. You must be making someone a bit nervous or they wouldn't focus on you like that.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 11:22:13 AM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

maybe renho snuck in there..lol

That would be my guess as well  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 16, 2008, 11:22:28 AM
Destiny, I for one am pretty proud of you as I'm sure all of the monkeys are. You're a hero in my book. You initiated so many wonderful things here at SM and are always willing to go that extra mile, despite your own personal situation. You hold your head up high, honey. You must be making someone a bit nervous or they wouldn't focus on you like that.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::


I 2nd that post!!! Great job Destiny.

I think it  is very telling also no talk at RU on the rape(s). When the girl went missing and then was found in her hotel room, renho and gang jumped on there quick to bash the girl and praise ALE for their "fine work" on the case. Why no talk now? I smell cover up and cover their azzes!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 11:35:03 AM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

TY Klaas....methinks I must be hitting a sore spot with Jewel...oh well...excrement happens...now on with my work here...

Something I was thinking about last night regarding the info I was given, about the American Woman who said she was raped by 3 guys...that she left Moombas with....something just didn't sit right with me...I called 3 times...and the story I was given *grew* into the last one of that, the 3 guys...*beach bums*...his words, not mine...that the Woman supposedly *wanted* to have sex with...who took photos of her, on her camera..then as the last version of the story goes...the Woman only filed rape charges against *all 3 guys*...was because her husband found them on her camera...and she filed the charges to protect herself because she lied to her husband...still following me here???...

If they were as I was told *beach bums*...that to me would say they are druggies...don't have a lot, if any money...and there is NO WAY IN HELL...they would leave an expenssive tourists' digital camera behind...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on June 16, 2008, 11:45:32 AM
Destiny,
  You keep doing what your doing, you do it well.  I dont post alot, cause when I do, I get myself in trouble.  But you are AWSOME!  BFN gives ******* a very hard time, and we all LOVE ******* here, so what does that tell you?  I have been here since day one, and some like me, and some just don't.  Can't let that hold you back.  The real people know who I am, and what I am about.  If you ever want to chat, Klaas can give you my email....  Keep up the good work.   ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 11:45:44 AM
Aruba has always had problems with investigative reporters.  They never heard the term, until Natalee, when US media got to the island. They would answer questions then pretend the media "got it wrong".  Media only reports what was said.  Aruban "journalists" not only don't ask, they make up an answer.

I consider Destiny an investigative reporter.  She's better qualified than many "reporters" that the island supported.  At least she won't tell one story to us, a different one to the Dutch and a third one to the Arubans.  Everyone can read here.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 11:46:35 AM
On the other hand...if the 3 guys accused of rape...were NOT beach bums...but well to do PIMPS....and they thought it would be funny to take photos of her on her camera...and leave it there with her...to me that says...she was *not* awake when they did this...or she would have known what they had done....hmmmmm

Aruba does have a way of saying the opposite of the truth sometime....beach bums=same old PIMPS...doing the same old thing....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 16, 2008, 11:47:24 AM
Good Morning Cage Mates!

I've been informed that I'm not very well liked by a few at BFN...they think I'm telling lies regarding making phone calls and trying to get info....I'll be glad to let whomever that is...pay my phone bills...then they would have access to all my phone numbers...and could make calls themselves....

So, What do you suggest I try to find out today...I do have some follow-up calls to make this morning...from last week...Folks who don't work on the weekends...

One thing I will try to follow-up on is the weekend info...and yes whomever at BFN...I really do make these calls and talk to real people...as to them telling me the truth...well...that's why I make follow-up calls to other places....

Destiny..one ringy dingy...

roflmao, look, one ringy dingy, you just keep the good work up, and keep those phones aringing.  i must have somehow missed any negative views expressed on bfn, i'll try to be more efficient.  don't you have someone to call right now?  get to it, kid.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
It would not surprise me if the tourist was dropped at the beach or close to her hotel, with no memory of the night's happenings.  Her husband could have been looking for her and when he saw the pictures, they put 2 and 2 together, figured she had been slipped a date rape drug and decided to file charges.  Perps probably didn't think they'd view pictures until they were home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 11:53:20 AM
It would not surprise me if the tourist was dropped at the beach or close to her hotel, with no memory of the night's happenings.  Her husband could have been looking for her and when he saw the pictures, they put 2 and 2 together, figured she had been slipped a date rape drug and decided to file charges.  Perps probably didn't think they'd view pictures until they were home.

Could very well be Buck...but...the husband was never mentioned in the first few calls...also...I would think the photo of her in the paper...that her husband would be stuck to her like glue...and be in that photo too...I'm not sold on the hubby story at all...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 16, 2008, 11:53:56 AM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

TY Klaas....methinks I must be hitting a sore spot with Jewel...oh well...excrement happens...now on with my work here...

Something I was thinking about last night regarding the info I was given, about the American Woman who said she was raped by 3 guys...that she left Moombas with....something just didn't sit right with me...I called 3 times...and the story I was given *grew* into the last one of that, the 3 guys...*beach bums*...his words, not mine...that the Woman supposedly *wanted* to have sex with...who took photos of her, on her camera..then as the last version of the story goes...the Woman only filed rape charges against *all 3 guys*...was because her husband found them on her camera...and she filed the charges to protect herself because she lied to her husband...still following me here???...

If they were as I was told *beach bums*...that to me would say they are druggies...don't have a lot, if any money...and there is NO WAY IN HELL...they would leave an expenssive tourists' digital camera behind...

give aruba 3 more days and the story will be that she kidnapped the 3 "men" at gunpoint and she had hired a film crew to shoot the action.  gielen will be saying that she had been contacted by the woman to do the filming herself because of her extraordinarily ingenious talents in that field but declined because she didn't believe in that stuff.  renfro will produce at least 5 extraordinarily gifted taxi drivers who speak 27 languages and have photographic memories who heard the woman talking to gielen and gielen's refusal was remarkable because of the huge amount of money the woman offered.
dennisintn
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 11:54:30 AM
Destiny,
  You keep doing what your doing, you do it well.  I dont post alot, cause when I do, I get myself in trouble.  But you are AWSOME!  BFN gives ******* a very hard time, and we all LOVE ******* here, so what does that tell you?  I have been here since day one, and some like me, and some just don't.  Can't let that hold you back.  The real people know who I am, and what I am about.  If you ever want to chat, Klaas can give you my email....  Keep up the good work.   ::cartwheel::

I like you ;-)  TY Hotshot...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 11:55:18 AM
Destiny,
  You keep doing what your doing, you do it well.  I dont post alot, cause when I do, I get myself in trouble.  But you are AWSOME!  BFN gives ******* a very hard time, and we all LOVE ******* here, so what does that tell you?  I have been here since day one, and some like me, and some just don't.  Can't let that hold you back.  The real people know who I am, and what I am about.  If you ever want to chat, Klaas can give you my email....  Keep up the good work.   ::cartwheel::


There are two kinds of people in this world, Des.

>PEOPLE WHO DO SOME THINGS

>PEOPLE WHO DON'T



You are most certainly a "DO SOME THINGS DOER" ... and I love ya for it,

and I'm proud to know you!!!!!!

Keep bangin' out the great work, girlfriend! ;)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

TY Klaas....methinks I must be hitting a sore spot with Jewel...oh well...excrement happens...now on with my work here...

Something I was thinking about last night regarding the info I was given, about the American Woman who said she was raped by 3 guys...that she left Moombas with....something just didn't sit right with me...I called 3 times...and the story I was given *grew* into the last one of that, the 3 guys...*beach bums*...his words, not mine...that the Woman supposedly *wanted* to have sex with...who took photos of her, on her camera..then as the last version of the story goes...the Woman only filed rape charges against *all 3 guys*...was because her husband found them on her camera...and she filed the charges to protect herself because she lied to her husband...still following me here???...

If they were as I was told *beach bums*...that to me would say they are druggies...don't have a lot, if any money...and there is NO WAY IN HELL...they would leave an expenssive tourists' digital camera behind...

give aruba 3 more days and the story will be that she kidnapped the 3 "men" at gunpoint and she had hired a film crew to shoot the action.  gielen will be saying that she had been contacted by the woman to do the filming herself because of her extraordinarily ingenious talents in that field but declined because she didn't believe in that stuff.  renfro will produce at least 5 extraordinarily gifted taxi drivers who speak 27 languages and have photographic memories who heard the woman talking to gielen and gielen's refusal was remarkable because of the huge amount of money the woman offered.
dennisintn
dennisintn

ROFLMFAO!!!!  Thanks I needed that ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 16, 2008, 12:02:30 PM
Aruba has always had problems with investigative reporters.  They never heard the term, until Natalee, when US media got to the island. They would answer questions then pretend the media "got it wrong".  Media only reports what was said.  Aruban "journalists" not only don't ask, they make up an answer.

I consider Destiny an investigative reporter.  She's better qualified than many "reporters" that the island supported.  At least she won't tell one story to us, a different one to the Dutch and a third one to the Arubans.  Everyone can read here.

that whole post deserves repeating, buckeye.  all true, sir.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 12:11:06 PM
Dennis, Buckeye...

Aruba reminds me of the little child that could never get their

performance just right. So, they blame it on the shoes, the weather

conditions, other people, the media....


ANYTHINGGGG... just as long as they don't have to admit THE TRUTH...

that they just didn't have the juice to get it right. Ya know???? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 12:12:01 PM
Who is the governor of Aruba?  TIA

Fredis Refunjol
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fredis Refunjol is the current governor of Aruba. Governor Refunjol was born in Aruba in 1950, and is married to Clarette Lopez. Together they have two daughters and one son. Mr. Refunjol assumed the office of Governor on May 1, 2004. The debate by Aruban Parliament regarding the nomination of Mr. Refunjol for Governor stood out, because his nomination was supported unanimously. At that time, he already had a long political career behind him. In his last position, he acted as the Minister of Education and Administrative Affairs, as well as Deputy Prime Minister. Mr. Refunjol also was the informateur (politician who investigates on behalf of the Crown whether a proposed cabinet formation will succeed) during the formation of the Cabinets Oduber I and II, and he was the formateur of Cabinet Oduber III.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredis_Refunjol

You gotta admit that name is sounding more like "Ruphenol" ("roofies",) date rape drugs.  What a proper name for the govenor of that island.  This they did out of luv.
    Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 12:13:45 PM

Be careful what you wish for!

*************************
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/30/earlyshow/main802484.shtml

Suspect's Kin Answer Natalee's
PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 30, 2005

(CBS) Paul and Anita van der Sloot's dream is to have their son home.

In an exclusive interview with CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella, Anita says, "We want him to go on with his life."

Joran van der Sloot, 18, has been held since early June in the May 30 disappearance from Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran hasn't been charged, but authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island have named him a suspect in the case.

His parents say the only thing established for sure is that Joran was with Natalee the night she vanished, and they stand by his insistence that he didn't hurt her.

Prosecutors have to notify Joran's attorney if they plan to ask a judge to hold him for 30 more days. As of Monday night, it hadn't happened. A hearing is set for Wednesday, and Joran could be set free.

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, says she's convinced Joran is guilty and that Paul, a one-time judge in training, is helping Joran get away with it.

Paul denies it, saying, "We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to tell the truth."

From the beginning, Cobiella says, Joran has been the main suspect, and the primary focus of prosecutors and the press. Anita accuses both of following bad leads and spreading rumors, instead of looking for the truth.

But she's most upset with Holloway's family for attacking her son and husband on television.

"I think what the family is doing is terrible," Anita says. "I don't think it's their right to do these things like this. I know they must be upset."

The van der Sloots have chosen to defend themselves only sporadically until now, because they blame the U.S. media for making their son look guilty.

"News should be based on facts," Anita says. "If not, it's a show … to damage people, to slander people. That is no news, no news at all."

But the van der Sloots agree with Holloway's family on this: The investigation was botched from the beginning and, they add, that they also desperately want the mystery solved.

"If Natalee is never found," Paul says, "it will always, always hit our lives, not only the lives of the Holloways, but also our lives."

The van der Sloots have an angel in their home they keep lit for Natalee, but right now their focus is on their own child.

"Our goal is to get Joran back," Anita says. "I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough."
*************************************

Hi Mommy!  I'm home!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108-1.jpg)

Did your dream come true, mommy?  Just like you taught me--not to hide anything.  That big bad American media stopped making me look guilty.  I'm in the Dutch media now where news is based on fact so there is no show, it's the real me.  Your goal has been realized, your sporter is back!  Aren't you happy Daddy?

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108.jpg)

                                 Mom are you home?

                                  I'll be right there dear.

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/ladywithtp.jpg)



Bearly...this is a friccin' HOOT!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 12:15:52 PM
oh myyyyyy.... she signaling "right-hand turn."    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 12:20:33 PM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

TY Klaas....methinks I must be hitting a sore spot with Jewel...oh well...excrement happens...now on with my work here...

Something I was thinking about last night regarding the info I was given, about the American Woman who said she was raped by 3 guys...that she left Moombas with....something just didn't sit right with me...I called 3 times...and the story I was given *grew* into the last one of that, the 3 guys...*beach bums*...his words, not mine...that the Woman supposedly *wanted* to have sex with...who took photos of her, on her camera..then as the last version of the story goes...the Woman only filed rape charges against *all 3 guys*...was because her husband found them on her camera...and she filed the charges to protect herself because she lied to her husband...still following me here???...

If they were as I was told *beach bums*...that to me would say they are druggies...don't have a lot, if any money...and there is NO WAY IN HELL...they would leave an expenssive tourists' digital camera behind...

give aruba 3 more days and the story will be that she kidnapped the 3 "men" at gunpoint and she had hired a film crew to shoot the action.  gielen will be saying that she had been contacted by the woman to do the filming herself because of her extraordinarily ingenious talents in that field but declined because she didn't believe in that stuff.  renfro will produce at least 5 extraordinarily gifted taxi drivers who speak 27 languages and have photographic memories who heard the woman talking to gielen and gielen's refusal was remarkable because of the huge amount of money the woman offered.
dennisintn
dennisintn

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 12:20:40 PM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

Klaas...wonder if it's someone I called ;-)

I'll ask a favor of you Klaas...you don't have to...but could you copy Jewels posts, and email them to me...makes me wonder if he/she thinks I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't belong...if that be the case...gonna stick my nose there pronto...TIA...and no, I do not want to contact jewel...please don't include any contact info for that person...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Maggie on June 16, 2008, 12:35:23 PM

Carpe,
I always heard there were 2 kind of people "leaners" and "lifters".
The Monkeys are ALL "lifters".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 12:39:46 PM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

Klaas...wonder if it's someone I called ;-)

I'll ask a favor of you Klaas...you don't have to...but could you copy Jewels posts, and email them to me...makes me wonder if he/she thinks I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't belong...if that be the case...gonna stick my nose there pronto...TIA...and no, I do not want to contact jewel...please don't include any contact info for that person...

Destiny

Just got back from the store  ::MonkeyWink::

I'll just post Jewel's post here for all to see.  This is the only post Jewel made regarding your calls:

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

To Jewel:  Nobody at SM has published the name of the rape victim and we don't intend to.  I can't stop the Aruban media from publishing it, although I hope they don't.

FYI - in a previous post at BFN, Jewel claims to be the parent of 4 children, doesn't Renfro have 4 children?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
Apparently, the only way to get a straight answer out of an Aruban

is to threaten to shoot their azz, or do a dancing jig on top of

their crack-pipe. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Themz nutterz has done SMOKED THEIR MINNNNDS!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 12:49:31 PM

Carpe,
I always heard there were 2 kind of people "leaners" and "lifters".
The Monkeys are ALL "lifters".


U got that right, Maggie, my dear! ::MonkeyWink::

Monkeys kick boodie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 12:52:43 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 12:53:44 PM

Carpe,
I always heard there were 2 kind of people "leaners" and "lifters".
The Monkeys are ALL "lifters".


U got that right, Maggie, my dear! ::MonkeyWink::

Monkeys kick boodie.

Monkeys kick boodie big time...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

Mark Purcell (Moombas) is good friends with Julia Renfro.  Maybe whoever you spoke to at Moombas has relayed the info  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 01:07:35 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

I'm sure you'll end up being called "Greta" or being paid "HMI" / Beth, before jewel and her group are done.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:09:34 PM

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

hey Jewel...Destiny is NOT A SUSPECT IN THE CASE!!!

I see comprehension is not your strong suit... and that's why you seem to be stuck where you are in life... and on the worst board in the history of the internet.

by the way - since all you idiots only comment on what we do here and do not do any research on your own, you wouldn't even know about the poor woman who was raped by the island criminals if I didn't find the story on 24awe.

it was there for all to see, yet you chuckleheads seem to miss all the news because you're too damm busy worrying about what Destiny is doing..

maybe you should worry more about what the suspects are doing before someone else gets murdered.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:13:26 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

Mark Purcell (Moombas) is good friends with Julia Renfro.  Maybe whoever you spoke to at Moombas has relayed the info  ::MonkeyWink::

I *think* we know know why Mark just worships the begeezers outta Joran now....it's the 2 incher club  ::MonkeyHaHa::

those fruitloops probably prance around in thongs singing bang the drums - light the fires ~ let's get our groove ON!!

all of course, when they're not "shaving" each other.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
Destiny, I for one am pretty proud of you as I'm sure all of the monkeys are. You're a hero in my book. You initiated so many wonderful things here at SM and are always willing to go that extra mile, despite your own personal situation. You hold your head up high, honey. You must be making someone a bit nervous or they wouldn't focus on you like that.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Destiny,

Mrs. Kub has that right.  Great job.  You must have really hit a nerve.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

        Just do this:

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/monkeycanthear-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not posted here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

Mark Purcell (Moombas) is good friends with Julia Renfro.  Maybe whoever you spoke to at Moombas has relayed the info  ::MonkeyWink::

That's my guess too Klaas...IIRC...I sent the info I gathered,  to you...for you to decide what to post... only what should be here in the forum...no names...

And Jewel seems to be only *irate* about the Woman in the Article...that claims she was raped on Eagle Beach by 3 guys...what about the Marriott Woman...this leads me to believe...that the Woman in the article could actually get someone in big trouble...hence...the story keeps growing/changing...another hmmmmmmmmm moment for me...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 01:17:06 PM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

Klaas...wonder if it's someone I called ;-)

I'll ask a favor of you Klaas...you don't have to...but could you copy Jewels posts, and email them to me...makes me wonder if he/she thinks I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't belong...if that be the case...gonna stick my nose there pronto...TIA...and no, I do not want to contact jewel...please don't include any contact info for that person...

Destiny

Just got back from the store  ::MonkeyWink::

I'll just post Jewel's post here for all to see.  This is the only post Jewel made regarding your calls:

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

To Jewel:  Nobody at SM has published the name of the rape victim and we don't intend to.  I can't stop the Aruban media from publishing it, although I hope they don't.

FYI - in a previous post at BFN, Jewel claims to be the parent of 4 children, doesn't Renfro have 4 children?

If it was Renho she wouldn't be complaining.  She would have probably raped them, so guess that is out.   j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 01:18:49 PM
Destiny, I for one am pretty proud of you as I'm sure all of the monkeys are. You're a hero in my book. You initiated so many wonderful things here at SM and are always willing to go that extra mile, despite your own personal situation. You hold your head up high, honey. You must be making someone a bit nervous or they wouldn't focus on you like that.  ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi Destiny,

Mrs. Kub has that right.  Great job.  You must have really hit a nerve.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

        Just do this:

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/monkeycanthear-1.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 01:20:07 PM

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/ladywithtp.jpg)



 ::MonkeyShocked::

Flashback!

Tamikosmom entering her fourth grade classroom following a trip to the washroom.

In "those days" girls all wore dresses/skirts.

Janet





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 01:27:56 PM

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

hey Jewel...Destiny is NOT A SUSPECT IN THE CASE!!!

I see comprehension is not your strong suit... and that's why you seem to be stuck where you are in life... and on the worst board in the history of the internet.

by the way - since all you idiots only comment on what we do here and do not do any research on your own, you wouldn't even know about the poor woman who was raped by the island criminals if I didn't find the story on 24awe.

it was there for all to see, yet you chuckleheads seem to miss all the news because you're too damm busy worrying about what Destiny is doing..

maybe you should worry more about what the suspects are doing before someone else gets murdered.

TY Rob...BTW, may I ask you to repost that article you found...I need it to send to someone on Aruba...THANKS FOR FINDING IT FOR US MONKEYS!!!...it be making someone vewwy vewwry angwy...LOL

TIA...Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 01:35:40 PM

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

hey Jewel...Destiny is NOT A SUSPECT IN THE CASE!!!

I see comprehension is not your strong suit... and that's why you seem to be stuck where you are in life... and on the worst board in the history of the internet.

by the way - since all you idiots only comment on what we do here and do not do any research on your own, you wouldn't even know about the poor woman who was raped by the island criminals if I didn't find the story on 24awe.

it was there for all to see, yet you chuckleheads seem to miss all the news because you're too damm busy worrying about what Destiny is doing..

maybe you should worry more about what the suspects are doing before someone else gets murdered.


Mz (or Mr.) Jewel? or Jeweless:
We know how to fight "street" too when we have to.  Also, if you would quit smoozing with the murderers and rapists and be above board yourself we would not have to call at all.  You and yours would be in jail for murder and/or conspiracy.  The fact is that you have not chosen your friends wisely and now you are all cowering and hiding behind victims of rape and murder.  Such people are beyond the human comprehension of decent people.  Where you get off thinking you can pick off Americans one at a time and not get caught up with eventually is regretfully delusional.  Something went bad in your education and judicial or it was never right.  So, when you want to see a real liar.....just look in the mirror.     Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 01:38:28 PM

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/ladywithtp.jpg)



 ::MonkeyShocked::

Flashback!

Tamikosmom entering her fourth grade classroom following a trip to the washroom.

In "those days" girls all wore dresses/skirts.

Janet





As long as you weren't the teacher, I wouldn't worry about it.

Here is another picture for your husband to think about.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

                              (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/grandma_ghetto_blaster.gif)                   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:42:46 PM
sure Des... give me a minute and I'll screen capture ti in a sec. I'm working on the dead scuba driver right now.

http://awe24.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 01:43:03 PM

Be careful what you wish for!

*************************
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/30/earlyshow/main802484.shtml

Suspect's Kin Answer Natalee's
PALM BEACH, Aruba, Aug. 30, 2005

(CBS) Paul and Anita van der Sloot's dream is to have their son home.

In an exclusive interview with CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella, Anita says, "We want him to go on with his life."

Joran van der Sloot, 18, has been held since early June in the May 30 disappearance from Aruba of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran hasn't been charged, but authorities on the Dutch Caribbean island have named him a suspect in the case.

His parents say the only thing established for sure is that Joran was with Natalee the night she vanished, and they stand by his insistence that he didn't hurt her.

Prosecutors have to notify Joran's attorney if they plan to ask a judge to hold him for 30 more days. As of Monday night, it hadn't happened. A hearing is set for Wednesday, and Joran could be set free.

Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, says she's convinced Joran is guilty and that Paul, a one-time judge in training, is helping Joran get away with it.

Paul denies it, saying, "We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to tell the truth."

From the beginning, Cobiella says, Joran has been the main suspect, and the primary focus of prosecutors and the press. Anita accuses both of following bad leads and spreading rumors, instead of looking for the truth.

But she's most upset with Holloway's family for attacking her son and husband on television.

"I think what the family is doing is terrible," Anita says. "I don't think it's their right to do these things like this. I know they must be upset."

The van der Sloots have chosen to defend themselves only sporadically until now, because they blame the U.S. media for making their son look guilty.

"News should be based on facts," Anita says. "If not, it's a show … to damage people, to slander people. That is no news, no news at all."

But the van der Sloots agree with Holloway's family on this: The investigation was botched from the beginning and, they add, that they also desperately want the mystery solved.

"If Natalee is never found," Paul says, "it will always, always hit our lives, not only the lives of the Holloways, but also our lives."

The van der Sloots have an angel in their home they keep lit for Natalee, but right now their focus is on their own child.

"Our goal is to get Joran back," Anita says. "I just want my kid back. It has been enough. It really has been enough."
*************************************

Hi Mommy!  I'm home!

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108-1.jpg)

Did your dream come true, mommy?  Just like you taught me--not to hide anything.  That big bad American media stopped making me look guilty.  I'm in the Dutch media now where news is based on fact so there is no show, it's the real me.  Your goal has been realized, your sporter is back!  Aren't you happy Daddy?

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/Joran061108.jpg)

                                 Mom are you home?

                                  I'll be right there dear.

                                  (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/ladywithtp.jpg)


::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 01:43:35 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

Mark Purcell (Moombas) is good friends with Julia Renfro.  Maybe whoever you spoke to at Moombas has relayed the info  ::MonkeyWink::

I *think* we know know why Mark just worships the begeezers outta Joran now....it's the 2 incher club  ::MonkeyHaHa::

those fruitloops probably prance around in thongs singing bang the drums - light the fires ~ let's get our groove ON!!

all of course, when they're not "shaving" each other.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Two inch club??  I'm pretty sure it's gone.  I think they put it in the evidence drawer.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:48:21 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/americantouristraped6-13-20082.jpg)

Destiny - here is a direct link for you too

http://tinyurl.com/56juny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 01:49:52 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/americantouristraped6-13-20082.jpg)

Destiny - here is a direct link for you too

http://tinyurl.com/56juny

Thanks Rob...off to Aruba it goes....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 01:52:04 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

Mark Purcell (Moombas) is good friends with Julia Renfro.  Maybe whoever you spoke to at Moombas has relayed the info  ::MonkeyWink::

That explains it.  Desting out-scooped her.  Go Destiny!!!

Klaas, please watch the door, I hear they are dressing as monkeys to try to get in here.  I think you will be able to spot them, they look like themselves only cuter.

                           (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/monkeycouple.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 01:54:29 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/americantouristraped6-13-20082.jpg)

Destiny - here is a direct link for you too

http://tinyurl.com/56juny

Thanks Rob...off to Aruba it goes....

Rob...link goes to one of your maps...do you have the link to the story?...TIA...Des....only when you have time...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:54:44 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:56:55 PM
Thanks Rob...off to Aruba it goes....

Rob...link goes to one of your maps...do you have the link to the story?...TIA...Des....only when you have time...
[/quote]

Destiny -
scroll down - it's in the archives now

http://awe24.com/20080613.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

wth is a scuba driver?  A screw driver with an air tank?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 01:59:21 PM
Thanks Rob...off to Aruba it goes....

Rob...link goes to one of your maps...do you have the link to the story?...TIA...Des....only when you have time...

Quote
Destiny -
scroll down - it's in the archives now

http://awe24.com/20080613.html

sorry about that Destiny - here is another tiny link to the correct image
http://tinyurl.com/5ljryb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

Does Jose have a tattoo on his right arm?

How do you do screen captures?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:03:35 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

She is probably a reporter and is just jealous because you got more information than she did.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 02:05:20 PM
Amigoe - Monday, June 16, 2008

Amigoe English
Checking the safety of boats with illegal persons is no responsibility of justice
ORANJESTAD – Inspecting the boats on which the illegal persons are being sent back, is no duty of justice. “Illegal persons can choose self how they want to go back; whether it is by boat, airplane, submarine, or rocket, I don’t care, as long as they leave the country; our duty is to get them off the island”, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:21 (GMT -04:00)

Amigoe English
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

Amigoe English
Renovation of Police Station Kralendijk


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 02:05:26 PM

<snipped>

Here is another picture for your husband to think about.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

                              (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/grandma_ghetto_blaster.gif)                   

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Another flashback.

In junior high we carried "transistor" radios everywhere.  My imagination ran wild.  I invisioned my current secret "crush" declaring his undying love to me in song but ... in actuality the words belonged to Ricky Nelson ... Frankie Avalon ... Elvis ... Jim Reeves ... The Platters ... Johnny Mathis ...
 
  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 02:05:47 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

In 24ora:

Curpa sin bida haya ta drief den laman

 (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)
Policial 
Monday, 16 June 2008 - 11:15 
Dialuna mainta a bin topa cu un curpa ta drief den laman. Tabata trata aki di e area di laman den sercania di Bushiribana. E curpa cu tabata drief den laman no tabata duna ningun senal di bida. Asistencia di diferente instancia a ser exigi pa asina bay over na trese e curpa na canto. Promer impresion ta mustra cu ta trata aki di un persona masculino. No ta conoci ainda si ta trata aki di un residente of un turista.

Through translator:

monday morning owing to come come across cu one curpa is drief in sea. was deal here of the area of sea in sercania of bushiribana. the curpa cu was drief in sea not was give none senal of life. asistencia of various instancia owing to being exigi for so bay over at bring the curpa at canto. previous to impresion is show cu is deal here of one person masculino. do not conoci still if is deal here of one residente or one tourist. come across
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 02:09:33 PM

<snipped>

Here is another picture for your husband to think about.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

                              (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/grandma_ghetto_blaster.gif)                   

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Another flashback.

In junior high we carried "transistor" radios everywhere.  My imagination ran wild.  I invisioned my current secret "crush" declaring his undying love to me in song but ... in actuality the words belonged to Ricky Nelson ... Frankie Avalon ... Elvis ... Jim Reeves ... The Platters ... Johnny Mathis ...
 
  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

Does your husband lip sync?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 02:10:31 PM



COME ACROSS, BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! 
CB RADIO SQUELCH


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 02:12:07 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

In 24ora:

Curpa sin bida haya ta drief den laman

 (http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)
Policial 
Monday, 16 June 2008 - 11:15 
Dialuna mainta a bin topa cu un curpa ta drief den laman. Tabata trata aki di e area di laman den sercania di Bushiribana. E curpa cu tabata drief den laman no tabata duna ningun senal di bida. Asistencia di diferente instancia a ser exigi pa asina bay over na trese e curpa na canto. Promer impresion ta mustra cu ta trata aki di un persona masculino. No ta conoci ainda si ta trata aki di un residente of un turista.

Through translator:

monday morning owing to come come across cu one curpa is drief in sea. was deal here of the area of sea in sercania of bushiribana. the curpa cu was drief in sea not was give none senal of life. asistencia of various instancia owing to being exigi for so bay over at bring the curpa at canto. previous to impresion is show cu is deal here of one person masculino. do not conoci still if is deal here of one residente or one tourist. come across
 


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 02:12:21 PM
Those are very graphic photos! Just wanted to warn those clicking on the awe24.com website!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 02:14:34 PM
Those are very graphic photos! Just wanted to warn those clicking on the awe24.com website!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes they are  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 02:15:20 PM
Thanks Rob...off to Aruba it goes....

Rob...link goes to one of your maps...do you have the link to the story?...TIA...Des....only when you have time...

Destiny -
scroll down - it's in the archives now

http://awe24.com/20080613.html
[/quote]

TY Rob!...now...let's see what feedback I get from this.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 16, 2008, 02:15:47 PM
Intersting....this person has some details I did not post here in the forum....and No...I have *NEVER* claimed to be a repoter when I called ALE this weekend...the LAST thing I would tell anyone at ALE is that I was a reporter........this leads me to believe...this person is getting info from someone I *did* talk with...

Mark Purcell (Moombas) is good friends with Julia Renfro.  Maybe whoever you spoke to at Moombas has relayed the info  ::MonkeyWink::

That explains it.  Desting out-scooped her.  Go Destiny!!!

Klaas, please watch the door, I hear they are dressing as monkeys to try to get in here.  I think you will be able to spot them, they look like themselves only cuter.

                           (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/monkeycouple.jpg)



roflmao!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:20:20 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

Thanks for the post Rob. Doubt it is Tromp, there would not be anything left if he were in the sea since missing. Apparently they are not able to tell if this is a tourist or a resident. Definitely someone with tattoo of ? on right upper arm. Couldn't have been in the water for long despite left leg appearing skeletonized. In fact it appears there is still blood from wound right forehead. My guess it is a white person, blonde (?)/light hair.

Remember that jeep parked out near the ocean about a week ago? Looked like a jeep commercial......wonder if this was the driver? Just thinking out loud.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 02:22:17 PM
Rob or ******* - looking at that photo of the man, does he look like he has a cut or bullet wound on his head.?  Also, does that tattoo look like a scorpion to you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:23:28 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

Does Jose have a tattoo on his right arm?

How do you do screen captures?

Thanks.

Bearlyhere -
ok... everyone pay attention  ::MonkeyHaHa:: so everyone can do it too... LOL

first you will need some screen capture software. I use Screen Grab from No Nonsense - because that's what Carpe recommended when he taught me how to do it.
http://www.no-nonsense-software.com/freeware/grabs/screengrab_grab.gif

Screen shot of what the program looks like when open (gif image)
http://www.no-nonsense-software.com/freeware/grabs/screengrab_grab.gif

This is free software and after you download and install it, you simply click on the program and your hot keys are "ALT" + F12. Hit those together and it will grab the image on the screen and deposit it in a folder - I use folders in My Pictures. It should open those folders automatically. Then label your image and hit save.

To crop the pictures, you will need to open that in another program. I use PAINT. Select open with and choose PAINT. In PAINT you will find the tool bar at the top and there you choose IMAGE. Then select stretch or skew to make larger or smaller. To crop - you just use the crop square and hit save and re-label. Then you will need a photobucket to upload the picture for posting.

There are other ways to screen capture images and I also like a program called Snag It 8.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:23:33 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/awe24.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
here is the correct link

http://www.no-nonsense-software.com/freeware/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 16, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

Klaas...wonder if it's someone I called ;-)

I'll ask a favor of you Klaas...you don't have to...but could you copy Jewels posts, and email them to me...makes me wonder if he/she thinks I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't belong...if that be the case...gonna stick my nose there pronto...TIA...and no, I do not want to contact jewel...please don't include any contact info for that person...

Destiny

Just got back from the store  ::MonkeyWink::

I'll just post Jewel's post here for all to see.  This is the only post Jewel made regarding your calls:

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

To Jewel:  Nobody at SM has published the name of the rape victim and we don't intend to.  I can't stop the Aruban media from publishing it, although I hope they don't.

FYI - in a previous post at BFN, Jewel claims to be the parent of 4 children, doesn't Renfro have 4 children?

gotta be renho...she snuck in.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:28:48 PM
Rob or ******* - looking at that photo of the man, does he look like he has a cut or bullet wound on his head.?  Also, does that tattoo look like a scorpion to you?

...not Rob or *******, but I doubt that is a bullet wound. If the wound had been there prior to going in the water it would not likely be bleeding. It looks more like some type of trauma that may have occurred in getting the body out of the water. Sorry to be graphic, but at that stage of decomposition the skin is very friable and can tear or pull off easily.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:29:49 PM
Amigoe - Monday, June 16, 2008

Amigoe English
Checking the safety of boats with illegal persons is no responsibility of justice
ORANJESTAD – Inspecting the boats on which the illegal persons are being sent back, is no duty of justice. “Illegal persons can choose self how they want to go back; whether it is by boat, airplane, submarine, or rocket, I don’t care, as long as they leave the country; our duty is to get them off the island”, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:21 (GMT -04:00)


OOOO MAAA GAWD  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyLaugh::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 02:29:52 PM
Rob or ******* - looking at that photo of the man, does he look like he has a cut or bullet wound on his head.?  Also, does that tattoo look like a scorpion to you?

Head trauma of some type...it does look like a bullet hole to me...and no clothing...to identify him by...  are those burn marks on his torso/body...doesn't look like seaweed not kelp to me...I really can't tell if that leg has been stripped of flesh/muscle or...could it be a prostetic let with shoe still attached?...my eyes suck!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:31:32 PM
Rob or ******* - looking at that photo of the man, does he look like he has a cut or bullet wound on his head.?  Also, does that tattoo look like a scorpion to you?

Head trauma of some type...it does look like a bullet hole to me...and no clothing...to identify him by...  are those burn marks on his torso/body...doesn't look like seaweed not kelp to me...I really can't tell if that leg has been stripped of flesh/muscle or...could it be a prostetic let with shoe still attached?...my eyes suck!!!

No prosthesis, few toes on, skin and muscle gone from left leg.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:34:12 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

Thanks for the post Rob. Doubt it is Tromp, there would not be anything left if he were in the sea since missing. Apparently they are not able to tell if this is a tourist or a resident. Definitely someone with tattoo of ? on right upper arm. Couldn't have been in the water for long despite left leg appearing skeletonized. In fact it appears there is still blood from wound right forehead. My guess it is a white person, blonde (?)/light hair.

Remember that jeep parked out near the ocean about a week ago? Looked like a jeep commercial......wonder if this was the driver? Just thinking out loud.

you're right BB... this looks like someone recently deceased. And skin does make that type of discoloration from being submerged. I remember seeing Rwandans submerged and they were 100 % African with very dark skin, and they sometimes looked white.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 02:36:12 PM
eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww...I looked at photos better...forget everything I said in previous post regarding body...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 02:37:24 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

Does Jose have a tattoo on his right arm?

How do you do screen captures?

Thanks.

Bearlyhere -
ok... everyone pay attention  ::MonkeyHaHa:: so everyone can do it too... LOL

first you will need some screen capture software. I use Screen Grab from No Nonsense - because that's what Carpe recommended when he taught me how to do it.
http://www.no-nonsense-software.com/freeware/grabs/screengrab_grab.gif

Screen shot of what the program looks like when open (gif image)
http://www.no-nonsense-software.com/freeware/grabs/screengrab_grab.gif

This is free software and after you download and install it, you simply click on the program and your hot keys are "ALT" + F12. Hit those together and it will grab the image on the screen and deposit it in a folder - I use folders in My Pictures. It should open those folders automatically. Then label your image and hit save.

To crop the pictures, you will need to open that in another program. I use PAINT. Select open with and choose PAINT. In PAINT you will find the tool bar at the top and there you choose IMAGE. Then select stretch or skew to make larger or smaller. To crop - you just use the crop square and hit save and re-label. Then you will need a photobucket to upload the picture for posting.

There are other ways to screen capture images and I also like a program called Snag It 8.

Thanks, Teach.  I was paying very close attention.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:38:38 PM
Left hand also appears to be missing.

Rob the only thing is hair is light or blonde. Is that how you see it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: always 1 on June 16, 2008, 02:38:44 PM
It is a scorpian tatto.  Did the missing guy have one?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 16, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
Those are very graphic photos! Just wanted to warn those clicking on the awe24.com website!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes they are  ::MonkeyNoNo::

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!! What a bunch of sick, twisted %#*&%#&#&## a-holes these sub-human Arubans are!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 02:39:33 PM
Rob or ******* - looking at that photo of the man, does he look like he has a cut or bullet wound on his head.?  Also, does that tattoo look like a scorpion to you?

Head trauma of some type...it does look like a bullet hole to me...and no clothing...to identify him by...  are those burn marks on his torso/body...doesn't look like seaweed not kelp to me...I really can't tell if that leg has been stripped of flesh/muscle or...could it be a prostetic let with shoe still attached?...my eyes suck!!!

No prosthesis, few toes on, skin and muscle gone from left leg.

Hard to tell if there is any head trauma or wounds,if I look any more at that photo I may get sick  ::MonkeyConfused:: Typical bloated body from someone who has been in the ocean for at least a week,probably longer. BB is right,that left leg is down to the bone,fish probably ate away at that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:40:47 PM
Anyone we know up on the hill?

(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jun_2008/16jun_hogamento__9___Small_.JPG)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 16, 2008, 02:43:47 PM
Can you imagine being a tourist on One Twisted Island...wake up and grab the moring paper to see what you will do over the course of the day...and unfold the paper to.....THAT CRAP!!!!! OMG....I would grab the next plane or boat off there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:44:05 PM
I do see a scorpion tattoo -  looks like a jail house tattoo. Not sure what happened to his head. Could be a gunshot or could be a wound from hitting the rocks.

but, I'm most concerned why there is a roped tied around his waist. That seems weird and implies he was dragged - maybe but a boat???... or he could be the guy BB suggested - the owner / driver of the abandoned Jeep and could have fallen or committed suicide.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:51:04 PM
Left hand also appears to be missing.

Rob the only thing is hair is light or blonde. Is that how you see it?

yes, I do think the hair is blond. I doubt that could happen from being in the sea.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:54:45 PM

Thanks, Teach.  I was paying very close attention.

yw  :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 02:55:33 PM
I know this is going to be gross but.......IMO ALE or whomever is there to pull him out might have tied that rope around the body to get it from the surf. You would need to support the body at it's thickest . If you grab arms and legs in that[.i] state of decay the skin will slip off like grabbing a gloved hand.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
I know this is going to be gross but.......IMO ALE or whomever is there to pull him out might have tied that rope around the body to get it from the surf. You would need to support the body at it's thickest . If you grab arms and legs in that[.i] state of decay the skin will slip off like grabbing a gloved hand.

excellent point BB


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 02:58:00 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

wth is a scuba driver?  A screw driver with an air tank?

Has on a rope.  Could have been from other means or could have been tied up.  Looks blond headed.  Sad.   j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 16, 2008, 02:58:53 PM
Rob or ******* - looking at that photo of the man, does he look like he has a cut or bullet wound on his head.?  Also, does that tattoo look like a scorpion to you?

Yes and tattoo look like a scorpion YES


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 02:59:44 PM
I know this is going to be gross but.......IMO ALE or whomever is there to pull him out might have tied that rope around the body to get it from the surf. You would need to support the body at it's thickest . If you grab arms and legs in that[.i] state of decay the skin will slip off like grabbing a gloved hand.

excellent point BB

I blew up a pic and they are holding him by that rope.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 03:03:21 PM
24ora has more photos now - reminder that the pictures are very graphic

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5082/8/

Clearly a scorpion tattoo in these pics
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/scorpion.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 03:06:18 PM
24ora has more photos now - reminder that the pictures are very graphic

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5082/8/

Clearly a scorpion tattoo in these pics
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/scorpion.jpg)


has the story about the sexually assaulted American Tourist shown up on 24 ora yet? I still don't see it anywhere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 03:09:30 PM
A DESCUBRI CURPA SIN BIDA TA DRIEF NA NOORDKUST DEN BOCA WARIRURI
E CURPA SU PIA TABATA CASI WESO MIENTRAS TABATA TIN MARCANAN DI SLA NA CABES


corpse of scuba driver ???? I thought I saw an oxygen tank - but now I don't see it... HMMM - maybe this is not a scuba driver - I'm not sure. I also wonder if this could be Mr. Jose Tromp.

extremely graphic pictures - so I will not be posting them. I will capture them so someone does have a record.

http://awe24.com/

wth is a scuba driver?  A screw driver with an air tank?

Has on a rope.  Could have been from other means or could have been tied up.  Looks blond headed.  Sad.   j/b

Could have been sand on his head area.  Don't really know if is a white man, but is so blotched up.   j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 03:09:30 PM
Rob - no, I haven't seen it on 24ora either.  I do know that Jossy confirmed yesterday that there was a report of an American being raped and he was going to get more information on it to Red.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote
gayo pinto  said: _
     Life guard na Bushiribana?
Asfs, bo ta biba na Aruba?

well, here's the problem. You can not swim in this area if this is what happened. I had the bathing suit ripped off my body over there... very dangerous and I would never go in there again (but that shouldn't be a problem, cause I'm not going back to Aruba).

This is also where the father and son drowned a few years ago.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 16, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
I know this is going to be gross but.......IMO ALE or whomever is there to pull him out might have tied that rope around the body to get it from the surf. You would need to support the body at it's thickest . If you grab arms and legs in that[.i] state of decay the skin will slip off like grabbing a gloved hand.

That's what I was thinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 03:15:16 PM
Rob you were right that rope was clearly on the body prior to being found.

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1..stories.news.2008.juni2008.juni16.curpa.IMGP2674.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 03:18:40 PM
Maybe the suicide hangings were drawing to much incredulity? Soo now we have a variation....suicide dragging?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 03:20:03 PM
Rob - no, I haven't seen it on 24ora either.  I do know that Jossy confirmed yesterday that there was a report of an American being raped and he was going to get more information on it to Red.   

thank you - I thought I read that Jossy confirmed that...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: bleachedblack on June 16, 2008, 03:28:07 PM
Quote
gayo pinto  said: _
     Life guard na Bushiribana?
Asfs, bo ta biba na Aruba?

well, here's the problem. You can not swim in this area if this is what happened. I had the bathing suit ripped off my body over there... very dangerous and I would never go in there again (but that shouldn't be a problem, cause I'm not going back to Aruba).

This is also where the father and son drowned a few years ago.

Is this by Dos Playa?

In looking further at the pics I think maybe it is a blackman. Do they windsurf in this area?
Do they tie their boards to themselves in case they fall off so as not to loose them? Maybe he just lost his board and drown? The surf is very rough there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuUjnI67_9E


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 03:49:31 PM
Yup,That guy looks dark skinned to me. I cannot think of too many reasons someone would tie rope around there body like that in the ocean,maybe sailing? He has been in that water for at least a week and whoever it is should of been already reported as missing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 16, 2008, 04:01:43 PM
Yup,That guy looks dark skinned to me. I cannot think of too many reasons someone would tie rope around there body like that in the ocean,maybe sailing? He has been in that water for at least a week and whoever it is should of been already reported as missing.

a dumb question.  do blacks get tattooed in black ink?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 16, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
Yup,That guy looks dark skinned to me. I cannot think of too many reasons someone would tie rope around there body like that in the ocean,maybe sailing? He has been in that water for at least a week and whoever it is should of been already reported as missing.

a dumb question.  do blacks get tattooed in black ink?
dennisintn
Yes, usually the greenish tint though.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 04:12:03 PM
Left hand also appears to be missing.

Rob the only thing is hair is light or blonde. Is that how you see it?

Could be sand on his head.  The head appears to be pretty crushed.
The dead do not bleed, much at all.  There could have been some kind of something dislodged and collected blood there, but the blood is a bright color indeed.  The sun may have drawn some to the scalp area.  A rope would have pulled the skin off as well.  The harbor patrol in rivers use grappling hooks.  I might look at this.  j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 04:31:44 PM
 :smt078


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 04:54:00 PM
Yup,That guy looks dark skinned to me. I cannot think of too many reasons someone would tie rope around there body like that in the ocean,maybe sailing? He has been in that water for at least a week and whoever it is should of been already reported as missing.

Looking closer the rope does go up around the neck and there is a very bad looking wound there.  This body has blood where it should be drawn out by the water if it had been in the water any length of time.  The neck appears to have what I would think is rather fresh wounding on it.  I do not believe this is a black man, but??  Where he was bobbing around may have produced sunburn on the body as well.
The victim looks young to me in his teens or early twenties.  There again, this is just what I see for now.  I only looked at the one pic close and only saw one side view.  May look some more.  j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 16, 2008, 05:25:01 PM
Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that NH was first raped in Moombas as the boys stopped there.  Could have been in the bathrooms or a downstars room.  We really do not know for sure how long they stayed in there when Depak stopped (and admitted) stopping at this bar.  MIP6 and that gang have been too against the H/T family not to have been involved.  It is my understanding that this bar has had some remodeling done.  Also something to do with a bar or some part of the HI where NH was staying.  This came from very old posts when the case first began.
I remember very clearly reading this.They could have then gone to the sloot residence, then possibly she was taken to a room back in the HI and later removed along with the bloody mattress if that did not come fro Pvs home.    Jackb

PS:  The bar that burned down was, according to what I read; Choose a Name bar.   Jackb

Do you mean that Deepak stopped at Choose A Name rather than at Moombas?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 05:28:33 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/orangecooler5.jpg)

I borrowed the images of fat ass and his buddy from Carpe... New White Van picture from awe24


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 05:33:38 PM
Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that NH was first raped in Moombas as the boys stopped there.  Could have been in the bathrooms or a downstars room.  We really do not know for sure how long they stayed in there when Depak stopped (and admitted) stopping at this bar.  MIP6 and that gang have been too against the H/T family not to have been involved.  It is my understanding that this bar has had some remodeling done.  Also something to do with a bar or some part of the HI where NH was staying.  This came from very old posts when the case first began.
I remember very clearly reading this.They could have then gone to the sloot residence, then possibly she was taken to a room back in the HI and later removed along with the bloody mattress if that did not come fro Pvs home.    Jackb

PS:  The bar that burned down was, according to what I read; Choose a Name bar.   Jackb

Do you mean that Deepak stopped at Choose A Name rather than at Moombas?

Actually, I have heard it both ways.  So now they have both burned down?  Concidence?  Something of one (concidence) I should think.
j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 05:38:14 PM
Could be Rob  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/cooler.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 05:41:10 PM
Could be Rob  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/cooler.jpg)

it all fits

thanks for noticing - I was waiting for someone to say something LOL

small white euro van

orange cooler - Carpe has been looking for that thing everywhere

and

COPS


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that NH was first raped in Moombas as the boys stopped there.  Could have been in the bathrooms or a downstars room.  We really do not know for sure how long they stayed in there when Depak stopped (and admitted) stopping at this bar.  MIP6 and that gang have been too against the H/T family not to have been involved.  It is my understanding that this bar has had some remodeling done.  Also something to do with a bar or some part of the HI where NH was staying.  This came from very old posts when the case first began.
I remember very clearly reading this.They could have then gone to the sloot residence, then possibly she was taken to a room back in the HI and later removed along with the bloody mattress if that did not come fro Pvs home.    Jackb

PS:  The bar that burned down was, according to what I read; Choose a Name bar.   Jackb

Do you mean that Deepak stopped at Choose A Name rather than at Moombas?

Considering my experience with Moombas this weekend...I would tend to think a lot of the same old players hang there...JMOO<>jewel... ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 05:47:04 PM
here is the original - so others can see it

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/whitevan-6-16-20081.jpg)

I'm thinking of doing some art work with my collection of white vans. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 05:49:12 PM
Rob  ::MonkeyHaHa::  Maybe you can have a gallery "showing" of your white van artwork  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 05:49:47 PM
Could be Rob  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/cooler.jpg)

it all fits

thanks for noticing - I was waiting for someone to say something LOL

small white euro van

orange cooler - Carpe has been looking for that thing everywhere

and

COPS



holy sh, Rob...


That is it.


You have eyes like a dang HAWK!!!!!!!!



(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/orangecooler5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 05:51:20 PM
here is the original - so others can see it

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/whitevan-6-16-20081.jpg)

I'm thinking of doing some art work with my collection of white vans. ::MonkeyHaHa::

OOOOOhhhhh...Anita can sponsor you at a local gallary...but only it you put hands with eyes on the sides of the white vans...in the artwork.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 05:51:49 PM
It was ALE at the rocks. They were just trying not to look like ALE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 05:55:46 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/whitevan-6-16-20082.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
It was ALE at the rocks. They were just trying not to look like ALE.

Carpe...everyone there in the *power..and the I'm scared shitless of the power* structure...wear *many* hats...they just wait to be told...which one to put on....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 16, 2008, 05:58:22 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/orangecooler5.jpg)

I borrowed the images of fat ass and his buddy from Carpe... New White Van picture from awe24

Rob help me here what are we looking at


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 06:00:39 PM
HOLY SHIT - I just noticed they are at THE POLIS STATION  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/whitevan-6-16-20083.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 06:02:30 PM
holy sh, Rob...


That is it.


You have eyes like a dang HAWK!!!!!!!!

Thanks Bro!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 06:02:40 PM
MMMMhmmmm... Kind of like shuffling employees in between the Dept. of Justice

and the Dept. of Tourism. Talk about MUILT-TASKING!!!!

Cut a Monkey a break, eh? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: BTgirl on June 16, 2008, 06:02:43 PM
It was ALE at the rocks. They were just trying not to look like ALE.

I've always thought it was ALE at the rocks, and I've always thought they were covering up evidence. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/whitevan-6-16-20082.jpg)

and...Big guy standing on top of the hill...in the drowned man photos...I think it was BB who inquired..if we knew him....sorry if I'm wrong BB...and whomever posted that question and photo...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 06:09:27 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 16, 2008, 06:09:41 PM
It was ALE at the rocks. They were just trying not to look like ALE.

I've always thought it was ALE at the rocks, and I've always thought they were covering up evidence. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Wow! Someone should show this to Jossy and see if it is still a little 7 yo Columbian boy found the year before Natalee went missing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 06:14:19 PM
Got it Destiny, thanks.    I had forgotten that the bar was right on the beach next to the holiday Inn.  I was thinking it was in downtown area close to C &C.  This is not the one that burned down i guess, was that No Name?  How did she end up being raped on Eagle beach some 20 to 25 minute walk south of the Holiday Inn?

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that NH was first raped in Moombas as the boys stopped there.  Could have been in the bathrooms or a downstars room.  We really do not know for sure how long they stayed in there when Depak stopped (and admitted) stopping at this bar.  MIP6 and that gang have been too against the H/T family not to have been involved.  It is my understanding that this bar has had some remodeling done.  Also something to do with a bar or some part of the HI where NH was staying.  This came from very old posts when the case first began.
I remember very clearly reading this.They could have then gone to the sloot residence, then possibly she was taken to a room back in the HI and later removed along with the bloody mattress if that did not come fro Pvs home.    Jackb

PS:  The bar that burned down was, according to what I read; Choose a Name bar.   Jackb

Do you mean that Deepak stopped at Choose A Name rather than at Moombas?

Considering my experience with Moombas this weekend...I would tend to think a lot of the same old players hang there...JMOO<>jewel... ;-)

And the guy killed around the time of Natalee's disappearance was a bouncer at Choose A Name.  Hard to know if these are actual coincidences, because it's a small place, or if there's a connection.    ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 06:17:16 PM
I'm looking at the photos and I think it's a 110% take it to the bank lock match.

opinions please?

I have Carpe already, anyone else?

I knew this van existed, and after I saw it last year at the Mill, I knew it would only be a matter of time until I would find it.

This is the van from the missing video and that video has the guys in bio-suits.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 06:17:42 PM
Rob, you made me  ::MonkeyLaugh:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 06:17:55 PM
Could be Rob  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/cooler.jpg)

it all fits

thanks for noticing - I was waiting for someone to say something LOL

small white euro van

orange cooler - Carpe has been looking for that thing everywhere

and

COPS



holy sh, Rob...


That is it.


You have eyes like a dang HAWK!!!!!!!!



(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/orangecooler5.jpg)

Look at the bottom picture at the rock with the head with hair hainging upside down with the mouth open.  I have a rather clear one.  Tis strange.  It will be on your right at the bottom.  The yellow box is showing the red EM evid bucket or something to carry organs, whatever they use it for.  The head with blond hair is just below it minus 40 degrees on a 180 horiz. bar.  jack blue


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 06:21:04 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   

From what I was told yesterday...by ALE...of course..no one was arrested....SHE wanted it....sheesh....they told me yesterday...they are trying to get her to recant her srory...and not press charges....I'm not letting this one go....don't care who you talk to jewel...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 06:23:39 PM
Rob, you made me  ::MonkeyLaugh:: 


what did I do? and did I do it on purpose? LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 06:26:18 PM
Could be Rob  ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/cooler.jpg)

it all fits

thanks for noticing - I was waiting for someone to say something LOL

small white euro van

orange cooler - Carpe has been looking for that thing everywhere

and

COPS



holy sh, Rob...


That is it.


You have eyes like a dang HAWK!!!!!!!!



(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/iliketoN0KTEM/orangecooler5.jpg)

Look at the bottom picture at the rock with the head with hair hainging upside down with the mouth open.  I have a rather clear one.  Tis strange.  It will be on your right at the bottom.  The yellow box is showing the red EM evid bucket or something to carry organs, whatever they use it for.  The head with blond hair is just below it minus 40 degrees on a 180 horiz. bar.  jack blue

The hair and head starts about where the knee of the EMT is (or rock painter.)  It is NOT below the little yellow box but just on the other side.  He has his (brush??) and a dark look place on the rock.  What looks like a towell collar or something around the neck and the head is hanging knee level of him almost vertical upside down, but not vertical.
One of the eyes are half open and one looks swollen shut.  Then there is sort of a small reflection below that of someone or something.  j/b


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 06:32:23 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   

From what I was told yesterday...by ALE...of course..no one was arrested....SHE wanted it....sheesh....they told me yesterday...they are trying to get her to recant her srory...and not press charges....I'm not letting this one go....don't care who you talk to jewel...

Destiny

I don't doubt your word, Destiny, it's that of ALE that I'm questioning.  I just read back a little and saw what the "jewel" reference was -- nope, I don't fault or doubt you, we've just gotten so much b.s. from that cess pool that I wondered if Jossy had confirmed what they said. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 06:34:51 PM
Rob, you made me  ::MonkeyLaugh:: 


what did I do? and did I do it on purpose? LOL

The collection of white vans.   ::MonkeyWink:: I know I don't post about a lot about the detailed analysis that goes on, but I read and am sometimes aware of these little nuances. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 06:37:58 PM

Do you mean that Deepak stopped at Choose A Name rather than at Moombas?

Hi SunFreak ... it has been a while.  I hope you are well.

The following quote of David Kock ... one of the Kalpoe's attorney ... is the only reference that I have been able to find in three years that implies that Deepak, Satish and Joran made a stop at a restaurant that morning after departing from Carlos 'N Charlies.  The declarations state ... the lighthouse ... the VDS' residence ... the Holiday Inn and the Marriot Beach but ... no "restaurant".

Considering the this "quick stop" reveal by the Kalpoe's attorney is omitted in Joran, Deepak and Satish's declaractions implies to me that this "quick stop" is significant in regards to the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

I have always speculated that it was a stop to either pick up drugs or ... pass on info to one or more of the pimps that a "drugged" tourist was on the way to the VDS' residence.

I believe that "Choose A Name" Club and "Moombas" Club are only speculation based on David Kock's words.

I could be wrong.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++

David Kock
Birmingham News - Associated Press
June 9, 2005


Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, said his client told him that van der Sloot asked the Kalpoe brothers to pick him up Sunday night so he could meet up with Holloway and her classmates at Carlos'n Charlie's, a popular watering hole in the capital, Oranjestad.

They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town, Kock said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1118481459238090.xml&coll=2

http://gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article7CC45D48DBE746FDAC4CA487F0C3448B.asp

+++++++

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005


DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 06:39:53 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   

From what I was told yesterday...by ALE...of course..no one was arrested....SHE wanted it....sheesh....they told me yesterday...they are trying to get her to recant her srory...and not press charges....I'm not letting this one go....don't care who you talk to jewel...

Destiny

I don't doubt your word, Destiny, it's that of ALE that I'm questioning.  I just read back a little and saw what the "jewel" reference was -- nope, I don't fault or doubt you, we've just gotten so much b.s. from that cess pool that I wondered if Jossy had confirmed what they said. 


LilPuma...that is up to Klaas...or Red to tell You...

Hugs Sweetie...Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 06:42:08 PM
Amigoe - Monday, June 16, 2008

Amigoe English
Checking the safety of boats with illegal persons is no responsibility of justice
ORANJESTAD – Inspecting the boats on which the illegal persons are being sent back, is no duty of justice. “Illegal persons can choose self how they want to go back; whether it is by boat, airplane, submarine, or rocket, I don’t care, as long as they leave the country; our duty is to get them off the island”, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:21 (GMT -04:00)Amigoe English
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

Amigoe English
Renovation of Police Station Kralendijk

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 16, 2008, 06:45:49 PM
Amigoe - Monday, June 16, 2008

Amigoe English
Checking the safety of boats with illegal persons is no responsibility of justice
ORANJESTAD – Inspecting the boats on which the illegal persons are being sent back, is no duty of justice. “Illegal persons can choose self how they want to go back; whether it is by boat, airplane, submarine, or rocket, I don’t care, as long as they leave the country; our duty is to get them off the island”, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:21 (GMT -04:00)Amigoe English
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

Amigoe English
Renovation of Police Station Kralendijk

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


no kidding!!!!

still can't get over those pics!! I could have gone my whole life w/out seeing those!! Good lawd...you all aren't kidding when you said graphic!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Buckeye on June 16, 2008, 06:46:33 PM
Rob

The metal frames could be bed cradles.  They can be used to keep the sheets and blankets off someone (such as a burn victim).  I have seen them used to make a box over a deceased person and then drape the box (it is a replacement for a morgue cart), so the outline of the "body" is not shown.  They don't seem to have a problem with showing bodies, so I'm not sure that would be the use.

One last note, I can't believe they pulled on the rope, with their BARE hands to remove him from the water.  Not interested in forensics, I guess.

http://www.colonialmedical.com/product.php?productid=17239


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 06:50:27 PM
Lilpuma - what we have heard from Jossy so far is that it's confirmed that a woman has claimed she was raped by three guys (locals).  Jossy is working on getting more information for Red.

Destiny has made calls and has reported what she was told by ALE and Moombas.  Whether what she has been told is correct is another matter.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 07:02:50 PM
Amigoe - Monday, June 16, 2008

Amigoe English
Checking the safety of boats with illegal persons is no responsibility of justice
ORANJESTAD – Inspecting the boats on which the illegal persons are being sent back, is no duty of justice. “Illegal persons can choose self how they want to go back; whether it is by boat, airplane, submarine, or rocket, I don’t care, as long as they leave the country; our duty is to get them off the island”, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:21 (GMT -04:00)Amigoe English
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

Amigoe English
Renovation of Police Station Kralendijk

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 

It is unbelieveable that liberal Dutch law supports the words of Rudy Croes.

However ... in the name of "Homeland Security" in regards to the democracies of the free world ... why should those who enter a country illegally expect anything more.  Maybe illegal immigration would be deterred if there was a deterrent.

The appeasement policies in regard to the illegal immigrant issue implies another 9/11 is waiting to happen.  It only takes a few who are on a mission.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hey ... I can't believe it.  Monkeys ... put a mark on the calendar.  I came close to agreeing with Rudy Croes for the first time in three years.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: San on June 16, 2008, 07:04:01 PM

Do you mean that Deepak stopped at Choose A Name rather than at Moombas?

Hi SunFreak ... it has been a while.  I hope you are well.

The following quote of David Kock ... one of the Kalpoe's attorney ... is the only reference that I have been able to find in three years that implies that Deepak, Satish and Joran made a stop at a restaurant that morning after departing from Carlos 'N Charlies.  The declarations state ... the lighthouse ... the VDS' residence ... the Holiday Inn and the Marriot Beach but ... no "restaurant".

Considering the this "quick stop" reveal by the Kalpoe's attorney is omitted in Joran, Deepak and Satish's declaractions implies to me that this "quick stop" is significant in regards to the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.

I have always speculated that it was a stop to either pick up drugs or ... pass on info to one or more of the pimps that a "drugged" tourist was on the way to the VDS' residence.

I believe that "Choose A Name" Club and "Moombas" Club are only speculation based on David Kock's words.

I could be wrong.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++

David Kock
Birmingham News - Associated Press
June 9, 2005


Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, said his client told him that van der Sloot asked the Kalpoe brothers to pick him up Sunday night so he could meet up with Holloway and her classmates at Carlos'n Charlie's, a popular watering hole in the capital, Oranjestad.

They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town, Kock said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1118481459238090.xml&coll=2

http://gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article7CC45D48DBE746FDAC4CA487F0C3448B.asp

+++++++

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005


DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/



I agree with you Janet it was to alert others that their target was in the car.

ENTER FREDDY INTO THE PICTURE.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 07:12:16 PM
Amigoe - Monday, June 16, 2008

Amigoe English
Checking the safety of boats with illegal persons is no responsibility of justice
ORANJESTAD – Inspecting the boats on which the illegal persons are being sent back, is no duty of justice. “Illegal persons can choose self how they want to go back; whether it is by boat, airplane, submarine, or rocket, I don’t care, as long as they leave the country; our duty is to get them off the island”, said Justice-minister Rudy Croes.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:21 (GMT -04:00)Amigoe English
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

Amigoe English
Renovation of Police Station Kralendijk

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


no kidding!!!!

still can't get over those pics!! I could have gone my whole life w/out seeing those!! Good lawd...you all aren't kidding when you said graphic!!!

Why should it be an "international" outrage.  If they are illegal they have no business being in a country.  Let them line up and apply like everyone else.  To heck with "international" outrage.  jack blue


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 07:15:07 PM
KLAAS...banana basket....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:15:39 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   


I suspect AHATA has paid the woman a visit and offered her a big fat check not to press charges and go on national media. We should have heard something by now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 07:15:47 PM
already mentioned in previous thread:

Rudy Croes has found a new temporary PG:

Robert Pietersz

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5056/18/

haven't read a full article about it. it is not in a dutch language paper yet.

all i now know about him is that he is the former head of the advisory board of the Governor of the Antilles.
and before that he was the PG of the Antilles.

don't know if he has been approved by the kingdom yet.
July 1st Nico Jörg leaves.
I read some where last night that he will be AG on aruba for 6 months and he starts work June 23rd IIRC.

you are right, he starts work june 23rd. appointment is for 6 months.

his appointment was approved last friday.

http://www.minbzk.nl/onderwerpen/de-nederlandse/114135/benoeming_3

he has been:

*judge at the Common Court Antilles/Aruba (80s, early 90s?)
*procureur general of the Antilles (before 1998)
*vice-chairman of the advisory board to the governor of the Antilles (chairman of that board is the governor himself). (at least since 1998)

*as far as i know he is still general counsel to the Bank of the Antilles.
Thanks for the info Caesu.
So for each island(aruba,bonair etc)there is a governor and then the rest of the political group.....then there is also another governer/group that oversees the Antilles?Or is aruba also known as the Antilles?

there is a governor for Aruba.
http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=default

and a governor for the Antilles (Curaçao, Bonaire, St. Maarten, Saba, St. Eustatius).
http://www.gouverneur.an/index.php?lang=en

there is a OM on Aruba with a procureur general.
and a OM on the Antilles with a procureur general.

but Aruba and the Antilles share a Higher Court on Curaçao.

but next year it is all going to change.
Curaçao and St. Maarten are also getting status aparte just as Aruba.
so then i think there are three governors.
maybe also three OM and three procureur generals but maybe Curaçao and St. Maarten will continue to share the OM.

they will continue to share the Higher Court. Rudy Croes wants this moved to Aruba.
or allow the Higher Court to have sessions on Aruba.
because he doesn't like that Arubans have to go to Curaçao for appeals.

Bonaire, Saba ans St. Eustatius become special Dutch municipalities.
so they become something like a overseas Dutch town.
they are then part of the European Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Antilles#Future_status


Lord,that's confusing(politics)but you explained that VERY well and I thank you for that Caesu.
So if they all go free from the NL,they all are responsible for paying thier own governments?Or will the NL be paying them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 16, 2008, 07:15:49 PM
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David Kock
Birmingham News - Associated Press
June 9, 2005


Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, said his client told him that van der Sloot asked the Kalpoe brothers to pick him up Sunday night so he could meet up with Holloway and her classmates at Carlos'n Charlie's, a popular watering hole in the capital, Oranjestad.

They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town, Kock said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1118481459238090.xml&coll=2

http://gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article7CC45D48DBE746FDAC4CA487F0C3448B.asp

+++++++

A block away from Carlo's N Charlies would be Choose A Name, where Pitbull worked.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 07:19:26 PM

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


no kidding!!!!

still can't get over those pics!! I could have gone my whole life w/out seeing those!! Good lawd...you all aren't kidding when you said graphic!!!

We warned you!  :smt078 :2sad:

My guess would be that was a local found today and that rope was already on him and had nothing to do with recovering his body from the ocean. He has been in that ocean at least a week,probably longer. I cannot think of any uses why a rope would be tied like that around him unless he was sailing. He appeared to be completely naked..What happened to his clothes?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 07:21:19 PM

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


no kidding!!!!

still can't get over those pics!! I could have gone my whole life w/out seeing those!! Good lawd...you all aren't kidding when you said graphic!!!

We warned you!  :smt078 :2sad:

My guess would be that was a local found today and that rope was already on him and had nothing to do with recovering his body from the ocean. He has been in that ocean at least a week,probably longer. I cannot think of any uses why a rope would be tied like that around him unless he was sailing. He appeared to be completely naked..What happened to his clothes?

Maybe rope around his waist...broke away from the weight holding him down???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 07:22:42 PM
[

David Kock
Birmingham News - Associated Press
June 9, 2005


Satish Kalpoe's attorney, David Kock, said his client told him that van der Sloot asked the Kalpoe brothers to pick him up Sunday night so he could meet up with Holloway and her classmates at Carlos'n Charlie's, a popular watering hole in the capital, Oranjestad.

They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town, Kock said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1118481459238090.xml&coll=2

http://gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article7CC45D48DBE746FDAC4CA487F0C3448B.asp

+++++++

A block away from Carlo's N Charlies would be Choose A Name, where Pitbull worked.

Makes sense.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 07:22:44 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,163750,00.html

Firefighters Drain Lake in Search for Natalee
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Associated Press

ORANJESTAD, Aruba  —

Aruban firefighters were draining a lake Tuesday in the search for an Alabama teenager who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island.

Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance but would not comment further. A jailed Dutch youth has said he was with Holloway in the area the night she disappeared.

The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours.

Earlier Tuesday, Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty (search), said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night she disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left 18-year-old Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time — 2:30 a.m. — when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators on Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and American teen at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home to Mountain Brook, Ala., at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
*****************************
Does anyone remember what happened to her?


Thank you Bearly!
I have been looking for this interview for a while now.I think this was a witness Art(?)found who later said she would not give a statement.


Good Morning Karma

I thought it was Art Woods too but ... ended up finding the quote you thinking about and ... discovered it was TJ Ward.

Hey ... both they guys are private investigators.  We should get points for that.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
8:00 AM
LOL...good morning(afternoon now)to you.I was just getting ready to correct the Art thing(was gonna post Art Wood lol)when I saw your post....thank you sweety.
:)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 16, 2008, 07:23:54 PM

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


no kidding!!!!

still can't get over those pics!! I could have gone my whole life w/out seeing those!! Good lawd...you all aren't kidding when you said graphic!!!

We warned you!  :smt078 :2sad: ::MonkeyWink::

My guess would be that was a local found today and that rope was already on him and had nothing to do with recovering his body from the ocean. He has been in that ocean at least a week,probably longer. I cannot think of any uses why a rope would be tied like that around him unless he was sailing. He appeared to be completely naked..What happened to his clothes?



Dunno. ...but fresh reports just in say that Boe-Tie Dompig

has recently been seen wearing a pair just like 'em!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 07:24:00 PM
Maybe rope around his waist...broke away from the weight holding him down???

yep... and when the body is submerged, it fills with gases and eventually breaks free and surfaces..unless it's in a fish / crab trap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:24:12 PM
Lilpuma - what we have heard from Jossy so far is that it's confirmed that a woman has claimed she was raped by three guys (locals).  Jossy is working on getting more information for Red.

Destiny has made calls and has reported what she was told by ALE and Moombas.  Whether what she has been told is correct is another matter.




From what we did hear the blame-the-victim spin machine had already shifted into fourth gear. As stated in my previous post, I think they are going to try to pay this victim off. They can't afford another fiasco on the Rock of Shit formerly known as Aruba. Arrests, a trial, and international media attention would be a disaster.

This will will be their new tourist slogan. "Come to Aruba, Get Raped, and Go Home a Millionaire."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 07:24:22 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   


I suspect AHATA has paid the woman a visit and offered her a big fat check not to press charges and go on national media. We should have heard something by now.

It will be obvious for this woman very soon,that charges will never be filed or will anyone be prosecuted. They will probably offer her cash to keep her mouth shut or she will be coming home angry. Hopefully she has not been living in a closet the last 3 years and is already aware what she is up against.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:30:01 PM

We warned you!  :smt078 :2sad:

My guess would be that was a local found today and that rope was already on him and had nothing to do with recovering his body from the ocean. He has been in that ocean at least a week,probably longer. I cannot think of any uses why a rope would be tied like that around him unless he was sailing. He appeared to be completely naked..What happened to his clothes?


My guess is we'll soon see a Aruba government statement that is was not a dead man, rather a donkey torso made to look like a human, they were conducting emergency drills to keep their crack staff of ALE bozos sharp. There was no death, there is no body, there is no case.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 07:33:16 PM

We warned you!  :smt078 :2sad:

My guess would be that was a local found today and that rope was already on him and had nothing to do with recovering his body from the ocean. He has been in that ocean at least a week,probably longer. I cannot think of any uses why a rope would be tied like that around him unless he was sailing. He appeared to be completely naked..What happened to his clothes?


My guess is we'll soon see a Aruba government statement that is was not a dead man, rather a donkey torso made to look like a human, they were conducting emergency drills to keep their crack staff of ALE bozos sharp. There was no death, there is no body, there is no case.

Ahh you must remember that robbery last year huh?  First they told us it was a man(Alien) who robbed a jewelery store and was cut in half,then they corrected themselves and said it was a donkey torso  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:35:00 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   


I suspect AHATA has paid the woman a visit and offered her a big fat check not to press charges and go on national media. We should have heard something by now.

It will be obvious for this woman very soon,that charges will never be filed or will anyone be prosecuted. They will probably offer her cash to keep her mouth shut or she will be coming home angry. Hopefully she has not been living in a closet the last 3 years and is already aware what she is up against.


This is exactly why I think she has been paid off, *******. No doubt she was aware of Natalee's case and the international media scandal involving the cover-up. All she has to do was pick up the phone and get an instant ear from any major media outlet in the States.

It is also obvious the Arubans are very fearful of what this woman's case could do to their economy. For one thing, Americans already believe they are corrupt. Pulling the blame-the-victim card won't work for Aruba any more. No one would believe them. They have no credibility.

Their only alternative is to pull out their wallet and buy her silence.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 07:38:24 PM
Monkeys...something I found out tday...if...I was being told the truth...

Notice how when we find something in an Aruban paper...and then we find something in another paper...not reported by the well known Aruban papers....

Well...in one of my calls today to the Oranjestad ALE...follow-up call...I was told...

If the crime report was made to Beach Patrol...then they ALEdon't get a record about it...and only police reports made to ALE/non beach patrol make it into the papers....

So, this says to me...if you, as a tourist..have a complaint...and if you are referred to the Beach Patrol...these reports are for some reason...not public records...hence...don't make it into the regular papers...hope this makes sense to you all...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:39:14 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   


I suspect AHATA has paid the woman a visit and offered her a big fat check not to press charges and go on national media. We should have heard something by now.

It will be obvious for this woman very soon,that charges will never be filed or will anyone be prosecuted. They will probably offer her cash to keep her mouth shut or she will be coming home angry. Hopefully she has not been living in a closet the last 3 years and is already aware what she is up against.


And on top of that they don't prosecute rapes on Aruba anyway. Women are there for the Dutchmen's pleasure. It goes against the grain to take away their toys and primary modus operandi, rape. Ever see them do anything to Rudy Croes for keeping sex slave women at his compound?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 16, 2008, 07:39:57 PM
Destiny - the person at BFN that is questioning your calls is someone by the name of Jewel who has made 5 posts at BFN.  Jewel is clearly pro-Aruba and her/his 5 posts clearly show that.  Probably either an Aruban, or an American working in Aruba that is protecting their livelyhood. 

Klaas...wonder if it's someone I called ;-)

I'll ask a favor of you Klaas...you don't have to...but could you copy Jewels posts, and email them to me...makes me wonder if he/she thinks I'm sticking my nose where it doesn't belong...if that be the case...gonna stick my nose there pronto...TIA...and no, I do not want to contact jewel...please don't include any contact info for that person...

Destiny

Just got back from the store  ::MonkeyWink::

I'll just post Jewel's post here for all to see.  This is the only post Jewel made regarding your calls:

Okay, so let me get this straight now.  Destiny at Scared Monkeys callls HI and claims to be one of five women considering traveling to Aruba and heard the news via e mail a woman was raped and was then concerned that Aruba was not safe, Same Destiny calls the Hospital in Aruba claiming her friend sent her a VM message and asks about this woman that was "supposed" to have been raped, Same Destiny calls Moomba bar and claims then to be a friend of "said rape victim", Same Destiny calls ALE and claims to be a reporter asking again for information, Same Destiny calls and befriends someone in Diario with who knows what kind of story to do so, Same Destiny calls the Beach Patrol with yet another lie.  All lies to obtain information from Aruba, and that is okay in that situation to lie.  Same Destiny at Scared Monkeys who ran down Nadira the Kalpoe's Mother for stating the truth, that we all lie sometime.  That in the Scared Monkeys mind set is unacceptable for Nadira, yet it is okay for Destiny and the Scared Monkeys to lie to obtain information, and everyone is then perfectly happy to accept what comes from her mouth the information she has gleaned from Aruba.  This constitutes Hypocrisy at its finest.     

It appears to boil down to the fact that it is okay for someone to lie if the person they are telling the lies to is wanting to believe in what said "Liar" is saying.  What is it that everyone has been saying all along since the beginning of this case, once a liar always a liar.  To me this is simply that Destiny is a seasoned liar, so used to lying that it comes easy for her to do so.  Hence I can't put any stock in anything that comes from her mouth.  Destiny and Scared Monkeys is simply pushing an agenda and will stoop at any level to push their theory, and many people that buy into and approve of these tactics are doing so as it fits their preconcieved theories.   

Monkey mindset:

Joran lies=unacceptable

Deepak lies=unacceptable

Nadira states "everyone lies sometime=unacceptable

Destiny lies=acceptable

Scared Monkeys lie=acceptable

Spells Hypocrisy to me..  Double standard. 

Has it every occured to the Monkey mindset this "supposed rape victim" doesn't want her name published?  Everyone now running with a story before it has a chance to be given and proven one way or another.  Obsessed comes to mind here, but that is just me. 

To Jewel:  Nobody at SM has published the name of the rape victim and we don't intend to.  I can't stop the Aruban media from publishing it, although I hope they don't.

FYI - in a previous post at BFN, Jewel claims to be the parent of 4 children, doesn't Renfro have 4 children?
PPsssshhhhht!Screw a bunch of jewels lol
I would be interested in any reactions to her post.Agenda...Monkey agenda,we do have an agenda here if trying to find some truth and justice out of aruba=a agenda. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:45:17 PM
Anyone we know up on the hill?

(http://www.awe24.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jun_2008/16jun_hogamento__9___Small_.JPG)


That does look like Fat Boy Jacobs up on the hill doing his best Pale Rider imitation. Unfortunately in his case he weighs more than five Clint Eastwoods and he's got more chins that an Chinese phonebook.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 07:47:41 PM

To Jewel:  Nobody at SM has published the name of the rape victim and we don't intend to.  I can't stop the Aruban media from publishing it, although I hope they don't.

FYI - in a previous post at BFN, Jewel claims to be the parent of 4 children, doesn't Renfro have 4 children?
PPsssshhhhht!Screw a bunch of jewels lol
I would be interested in any reactions to her post.Agenda...Monkey agenda,we do have an agenda here if trying to find some truth and justice out of aruba=a agenda. ::MonkeyWink::


Imagine, one of the biggest liars in Aruba, second only to Joran van der Sloot himself, disgusted with lies. Hmmmmm. There's the pot calling the kettle black.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 16, 2008, 08:11:36 PM
I'm going to take a little break..BBL tonight...but...before I go...a Song For Rob!

Sung to the tune of an old song...recorded by The Singing Nun...name of song...*Little Boxes on the Hillside*...for You Rob ;-)

Little white vans on Aruba
little white vans moving bodies 'round.
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

There's a white one and a white one
and then there's a whiter one
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

Little white vans moving bodies
little white van moving evidence
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same

and they all look just the same
and they all look just the same.

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 08:12:13 PM
Anyone we know up on the hill?


That does look like Fat Boy Jacobs up on the hill doing his best Pale Rider imitation. Unfortunately in his case he weighs more than five Clint Eastwoods and he's got more chins that an Chinese phonebook.
Hard to tell,Jacobs may be even bigger then that guy  ::MonkeyWink::  He seems kinda short and dark from that picture..lol

Just another day in Aruba today and the guy found floating naked with a rope around him is probably remnants of the 1700+kilos that was confiscated in the last 2 weeks. When dealing with millions of dollars in cocaine and heroin and dealing with ruthless cartels,people do get murdered and often. If your a tourist in Aruba and think you are far away from all the activity in Colombia then you are kidding yourself. Although the next and last thing we will probably hear about this guy is that he drowned or overdosed and it was a simple accident. Nothing bad can happen to there precious tourism and that means no rapes,murders or negative press. Aruba is a safe island  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 08:35:41 PM
I'm going to take a little break..BBL tonight...but...before I go...a Song For Rob!

Sung to the tune of an old song...recorded by The Singing Nun...name of song...*Little Boxes on the Hillside*...for You Rob ;-)

Little white vans on Aruba
little white vans moving bodies 'round.
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

There's a white one and a white one
and then there's a whiter one
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

Little white vans moving bodies
little white van moving evidence
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same

and they all look just the same
and they all look just the same.

 ::MonkeyCool::

thank you Destiny

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/mysteryman1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 08:51:39 PM
Interresting post by fierljepper at BFN:

Just arrived in the US for work and had some time to ponder the case from 30000 feet.

How about the following scenario:

* K2 drop off Joran and Natalee at the Palm beach around 1:40-150
* Natalee collapses and appears to have died around 2:00
* Joran panics and desperately needs help. He runs to the HI and picks up a hotel phone near the pool. He contacts Guido Wever via the HI hotel phone (e.g. "could you connect me through to mr Wever in the casino please") 2:15
* Joran walks/jogs back to Natalee and shortly after that Guido arrives by car 2:30
* In the mean time he is so concerned about an alibi that he calls Deepak to tell him that he's walking home 2:26-2:34. Joran actually can't find his shoes in the dark and needs to say that he is walking barefoot.
* They load Natalee's body in the car, drive to the Salinja area and park their car to discuss next steps. Their car is spotted by the Gardener around 2:45-2:50
* Guido drops Joran off at his house around 3:09
* Guido disposes of the body and returns to Joran's apartment to explain what happened they agree on an alibi if necessary.

So, the "boat" is a "car" and Guido has one. They meet eachother the next day at the tennis club and in the casino. Surprisingly they even drive back together to Joran's house the night of the 30h to "pick up some cash". Plenty of time to chat and align stories. Due to the shrewd incrimination of the K2 by Joran, everybody is focused on whether Deepak and Joran were suspiciously close the evening of the 30th (they weren't), whereas Joran and Guido were (P.S. also note that Guido is the only one in Joran's book with a fake name - Marco D. - and Joran spends in DZNH surprisingly few words on Guido's arrest in 2006 and a lot on GVC).

Guido quits his job a few days later and return to NL.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 08:52:57 PM
this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

Quote
up2date  said: _
     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 09:01:13 PM
this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

Quote
up2date  said: _
     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Quote
jobalboni  said: _
     Ta Duineveld na a detene pa falsificaion di documento di L.M.

looks like this guy might be named "Duijneveld"

Is Duijneveld(s???) a person detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 09:02:07 PM
this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

Quote
up2date  said: _
     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 09:10:15 PM
There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 09:13:38 PM
this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

Quote
up2date  said: _
     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment.  ::MonkeyWink::

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 16, 2008, 09:16:12 PM
this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

Quote
up2date  said: _
     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment.  ::MonkeyWink::

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me

Found this Rob...I think he is a partner of Freddy's 'Lady Eyes' lawyer?

RED summons Hirsch Ballin after bribery attempt Namdar in Aruba ...In Aruba, the bribery case of H.J Namdar is getting rather interesting. ... His lawyer Duineveld said that he gave his view on the case. ...
scaredmonkeys.com/2007/04/05/red-summons-hirsch-ballin-after-bribery-attempt-namdar-in-aruba/ - 81k - 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 09:18:13 PM
Bon Dia Aruba News - Home
Duijneveld, kende tabata e Abogado principal di e comerciante Luis Mansur ... Informacion cu Bon Dia Aruba a logra haya awe marduga ta indica cu e victima ...
www.bondia.com/ - 32k - Cached - Similar pages


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 09:19:16 PM
this is on 24ora's comment section about the dead man on the beach

Quote
up2date  said: _
     Duijneveld nan a detene pa falcificashon di documentonan di luis mansur den caso di droga. need more info??? call me


Yeah, I saw that.  Wish we had a full translation of this comment.  ::MonkeyWink::

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me
He is Luis Mansur's lawyer.

advocate duijneveld representando sir mansur

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.600


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 16, 2008, 09:21:29 PM
Quote
Posted on: 1:53 pm, April 19, 2008   
Save Save

Unions take the Aruban government to court

Last Update: Friday, April 18, 2008 http://www.amigoe.com/english/

ORANJESTAD – The civil servant unions united in SDA have instituted a lawsuit against the Oduber-cabinet. The lawsuit is to prevent the striking civil servants from not being paid this month. According to lawyer Edwin Duijneveld that represents the unions, the government is not allowed to withhold salaries based on just the principle ‘no work no pay’.

The strike has been going on for weeks now. The civil servants blocked the road along the Government Building yesterday morning and caused huge chaos in traffic. This morning, they blocked the access road to the harbour, at the office of Aruba Port Authority. At the airport and the schools, the employees are still on strike.

NEGOTIATION TABLE

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http://tinyurl.com/4295tr


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:03:51 PM
FP Awemainta Newspaper 6-17-08

I removed the pictures because they are gruesome

The body has not been identified
(http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2533/floaterpd2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 10:09:10 PM

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me


I'm shocked! I thought the falsification of documents was legal in Aruba. Does this mean Jan van der Straten and Dennis Jacobs could be thrown in jail? They certainly falsified their share of documents in Natalee's case. Jan even let Paulus edit his sonb's statement. Hey, maybe we'll get some arrests after all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:10:23 PM
Awemainta 6-17-08
Another article shows a 7 ton cocaine bust in Colombia.
I think this article says duijneveld is in detention for Bank Fraud and also represented Luis Mansur.

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5868/duijneveldsl2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 10:14:25 PM
Interresting post by fierljepper at BFN:

Just arrived in the US for work and had some time to ponder the case from 30000 feet.

How about the following scenario:

* K2 drop off Joran and Natalee at the Palm beach around 1:40-150
* Natalee collapses and appears to have died around 2:00
* Joran panics and desperately needs help. He runs to the HI and picks up a hotel phone near the pool. He contacts Guido Wever via the HI hotel phone (e.g. "could you connect me through to mr Wever in the casino please") 2:15
* Joran walks/jogs back to Natalee and shortly after that Guido arrives by car 2:30
* In the mean time he is so concerned about an alibi that he calls Deepak to tell him that he's walking home 2:26-2:34. Joran actually can't find his shoes in the dark and needs to say that he is walking barefoot.
* They load Natalee's body in the car, drive to the Salinja area and park their car to discuss next steps. Their car is spotted by the Gardener around 2:45-2:50
* Guido drops Joran off at his house around 3:09
* Guido disposes of the body and returns to Joran's apartment to explain what happened they agree on an alibi if necessary.

So, the "boat" is a "car" and Guido has one. They meet eachother the next day at the tennis club and in the casino. Surprisingly they even drive back together to Joran's house the night of the 30h to "pick up some cash". Plenty of time to chat and align stories. Due to the shrewd incrimination of the K2 by Joran, everybody is focused on whether Deepak and Joran were suspiciously close the evening of the 30th (they weren't), whereas Joran and Guido were (P.S. also note that Guido is the only one in Joran's book with a fake name - Marco D. - and Joran spends in DZNH surprisingly few words on Guido's arrest in 2006 and a lot on GVC).

Guido quits his job a few days later and return to NL.


It has been said the Guido left work early the night Natalee disappeared, and he had scratches on his face the next day, and he was charged with heavy battery. And his cousin Arlene Schippers did a great job of trying to misinform the public in the media. This makes for an interesting scenario.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 10:14:56 PM
Question is, what does he have to do (if anything) with the corpse on the beach?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 10:16:27 PM
There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.


Inneresting that they'll go after Luis Mansur's lawyer but won't touch the Van der Sloots. Party politics?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:20:18 PM
Question is, what does he have to do (if anything) with the corpse on the beach?
The corpse has not been identified ,so I don't think he is connected to anyone just yet,at least publicly. That blogger may have been off topic just telling the most recent news.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 10:22:15 PM

Imagine the international outrage if the U.S. said that. 


no kidding!!!!

still can't get over those pics!! I could have gone my whole life w/out seeing those!! Good lawd...you all aren't kidding when you said graphic!!!

We warned you!  :smt078 :2sad:


My guess would be that was a local found today and that rope was already on him and had nothing to do with recovering his body from the ocean. He has been in that ocean at least a week,probably longer. I cannot think of any uses why a rope would be tied like that around him unless he was sailing. He appeared to be completely naked..What happened to his clothes?

Don't want to pee on anyone's parade....but....

Wonder if it is a "hoax?"  Strange there is no drag marks upto the beach and very few foot prints around the body.  THIS IS COOL...
A "V C" (mocking?) printing just on his chest like where a tag would have been. Lighten up that part of the chest area. 

Someone swiped a bit of smudge on the head and groin area before this was posted.  That was kind.  However there is printing on the white plastic or whatever is covering what could be the mouth area.  Blood?   strange.  No, this may be a fresh kill and burn or things have been added to this to confuse people.  They must kill them, take them out to the water and let them float back and "find" them.  This washed up on the beach?  No one looks wet.   Jackb


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.


Inneresting that they'll go after Luis Mansur's lawyer but won't touch the Van der Sloots. Party politics?
Which lawyer? The Van Der Sloots had/have like 12 of them just in Aruba. I did see David Kock was in trouble a few months back,but he is Deepak's lawyer. I suppose they are all on the same team anyway..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:30:07 PM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening,this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 10:31:39 PM
I'm going to take a little break..BBL tonight...but...before I go...a Song For Rob!

Sung to the tune of an old song...recorded by The Singing Nun...name of song...*Little Boxes on the Hillside*...for You Rob ;-)

Little white vans on Aruba
little white vans moving bodies 'round.
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

There's a white one and a white one
and then there's a whiter one
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same.

Little white vans moving bodies
little white van moving evidence
little white vans on Aruba
and they all look just the same

and they all look just the same
and they all look just the same.

 ::MonkeyCool::

LOL, what color was that van again?.....that song is almost as bad as my poems..... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
I haven't read back, but do we have confirmation from Jossy that what ALE told Destiny is true?  Have they arrested any black guys yet?   ::MonkeyRoll::   


Wouldn't it be cheaper for them to sweet talk up Ren ho and take her for a few drinks?  Ho(s) would be a lot cheaper.  Guess they have gone through most of the islands's young and old and want fresh meat.  Beats me.  They should have an Adopt a Rapist program so they would not have to pay out so much and the suckers could foot the bill on that along with the "Adopt an Addict" program.  jackb

I suspect AHATA has paid the woman a visit and offered her a big fat check not to press charges and go on national media. We should have heard something by now.

It will be obvious for this woman very soon,that charges will never be filed or will anyone be prosecuted. They will probably offer her cash to keep her mouth shut or she will be coming home angry. Hopefully she has not been living in a closet the last 3 years and is already aware what she is up against.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 10:45:43 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Here's my nominee for the caption contest on the front page:


#5- diverboy on June 16th, 2008 8:07 am

“Joran van der Sloot photographed nude in Thailand while making gestures ridiculing Aruba. He was holding something that look like a penis, only smaller.”


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 10:45:44 PM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.

Are you twisting WHAT I am saying again?

The one I saw looks like a hoax.  Who put the VC printing on his
breast area *******?  You trying to make ME look like shit?

Jackb - this is your last warning.  You seem to take everyone the wrong way and see things that nobody else does.  I'm not going to allow you to start this up again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:52:20 PM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.

Are you twisting WHAT I am saying again?

The one I saw looks like a hoax.  Who put the VC printing on his
breast area *******?  You trying to make ME look like shit?

Again? I dont even recall commenting on any of your posts. Let alone ever twisting what you have said  ::MonkeyConfused:: I am always at a loss of words on your posts..The same is true here  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 10:53:31 PM
There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.


Inneresting that they'll go after Luis Mansur's lawyer but won't touch the Van der Sloots. Party politics?
Which lawyer? The Van Der Sloots had/have like 12 of them just in Aruba. I did see David Kock was in trouble a few months back,but he is Deepak's lawyer. I suppose they are all on the same team anyway..


I find it very curious that they are clamping down on falsification by this lawyer but refuse to do so in the biggest, most sidespread, most horrendously obvious case in the history of their island. Corrupt prosecutor, currupt cops, and corrupt judges all involved. Yet the do nothing. They are hippocrytes of the worst degree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: jackb on June 16, 2008, 10:55:31 PM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.

Are you twisting WHAT I am saying again?

The one I saw looks like a hoax.  Who put the VC printing on his
breast area *******?  You trying to make ME look like shit?

Jackb - this is your last warning.  You seem to take everyone the wrong way and see things that nobody else does.  I'm not going to allow you to start this up again.

You can kiss my freaking ass Klass, you and your bunch of sow monkeys,   Jack B.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 10:57:07 PM
There is a Duijneveld that is a popular Lawyer on that island.


Inneresting that they'll go after Luis Mansur's lawyer but won't touch the Van der Sloots. Party politics?
Which lawyer? The Van Der Sloots had/have like 12 of them just in Aruba. I did see David Kock was in trouble a few months back,but he is Deepak's lawyer. I suppose they are all on the same team anyway..


I find it very curious that they are clamping down on falsification by this lawyer but refuse to do so in the biggest, most sidespread, most horrendously obvious case in the history of their island. Corrupt prosecutor, currupt cops, and corrupt judges all involved. Yet the do nothing. They are hippocrytes of the worst degree.

Exactly! The Holloways are connected to Bush and Colombia,they are lying and doing it all for the money and covering up Natalee's dissapearance  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 10:57:50 PM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.

Are you twisting WHAT I am saying again?

The one I saw looks like a hoax.  Who put the VC printing on his
breast area *******?  You trying to make ME look like shit?

Jackb - this is your last warning.  You seem to take everyone the wrong way and see things that nobody else does.  I'm not going to allow you to start this up again.

You can kiss my freaking ass Klass, you and your bunch of sow monkeys,   Jack B.

Needless to say, this person has been banned ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 16, 2008, 10:59:05 PM

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me


I'm shocked! I thought the falsification of documents was legal in Aruba. Does this mean Jan van der Straten and Dennis Jacobs could be thrown in jail? They certainly falsified their share of documents in Natalee's case. Jan even let Paulus edit his sonb's statement. Hey, maybe we'll get some arrests after all.

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - CHANGED STATEMENTS

Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005


We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.

Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.

We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.

At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's.


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183


I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers' name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 89

As dinner concludes, Detective Jacobs appears at our table.

... The detective says he just wants me to sign a new statement. Jug immediate asks him, "What's the difference between this one and the one she gave you this morning?' Jacobs says that some dates were wrong on that one and have been corrected, and he needs my signature on the new corrected one.

The document is in Dutch, which is Greek to me. I have no idea what it says. I can't tell if it's different from the one the young officer read to me this morning, which I signed, or not. But all I have to rely on is the Aruban police process, so I gladly submit to his request and sign every single page.

Page 187
After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says. Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from the prosecutor Karin Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant.

... And I trusted him and signed ever page.

"Listen to this, Beth ..." The words he sends echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair.

"Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement."  I had carefully gien intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions.


Beth Holloway Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005


GRACE: What was left out, Beth?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: There were a lot of names that were left out, you know, just key elements as far as how Joran asked Jug and -- to leave the group before he admitted the sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee and -- and just a lot of things. You know, Paulus`s name -- I didn`t know anyone`s name. I didn`t know Charles Croes`s name, which is just ludicrous.  

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: msmarple on June 16, 2008, 11:01:29 PM
I think the first paragraph was posted earlier; here is the rest of the article.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43373.php (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43373.php) Maandag {Monday} 16 Juni 2008

Quote
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.

The prevailing opinion is that Aruba citizens in the Netherlands cause problems and that Aruba is costing the community a lot of money. MPA indicated in a reaction that the government must actively start informing the Dutch community about the situation. “The situation in Aruba is still being confused with the Neth.Antilles. To change this, we must give the Dutch community the correct information. It is in our interest to make sure that we maintain a positive relationship with the Netherlands. Besides, our children go to the Netherlands to go to college and a bad relationship will only cause problems for them”



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 11:05:39 PM
Thanks msmarple!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: msmarple on June 16, 2008, 11:14:06 PM
One more time -- while there's still time to make plans.

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 16, 2008, 11:17:00 PM
One more time -- while there's still time to make plans.

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!



Please - especially if you live anywhere near DC!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 11:17:35 PM

Duijneveld (??? plural???) is detained for falsification of documents of Luis Mansur in the case of drugs. need more info??? call me


I'm shocked! I thought the falsification of documents was legal in Aruba. Does this mean Jan van der Straten and Dennis Jacobs could be thrown in jail? They certainly falsified their share of documents in Natalee's case. Jan even let Paulus edit his sonb's statement. Hey, maybe we'll get some arrests after all.

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - CHANGED STATEMENTS

Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005


We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.

Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.

We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.

At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's.


Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183


I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers' name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 89

As dinner concludes, Detective Jacobs appears at our table.

... The detective says he just wants me to sign a new statement. Jug immediate asks him, "What's the difference between this one and the one she gave you this morning?' Jacobs says that some dates were wrong on that one and have been corrected, and he needs my signature on the new corrected one.

The document is in Dutch, which is Greek to me. I have no idea what it says. I can't tell if it's different from the one the young officer read to me this morning, which I signed, or not. But all I have to rely on is the Aruban police process, so I gladly submit to his request and sign every single page.

Page 187
After waiting months to find out what my statement actually says. Jug calls on my first day in California. He has finally been able to obtain the translation of my statement from the prosecutor Karin Janssen. The one the detective brought to me to sign late that night in the restaurant.

... And I trusted him and signed ever page.

"Listen to this, Beth ..." The words he sends echo in my head. I begin to sink, and could slide to the ground out of my chair.

"Jug, they changed it. They changed my statement."  I had carefully gien intricate details about the encounter in the van der Sloot front yard the first night we got to the island, including names and physical descriptions.


Beth Holloway Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005


GRACE: What was left out, Beth?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: There were a lot of names that were left out, you know, just key elements as far as how Joran asked Jug and -- to leave the group before he admitted the sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee and -- and just a lot of things. You know, Paulus`s name -- I didn`t know anyone`s name. I didn`t know Charles Croes`s name, which is just ludicrous.  

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


So there you have it. Seems the Aruba Police and Prosecutor can falsify anything they want when it suits their purpose, in this case to protect the Van der Sloots.

Where is the new Prosecutor? Or is the new Prosecutor just another joke in a long line of them we've been privy to in the Dutch Illegal system? Why aren't they throwing these assholes in jail?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 16, 2008, 11:20:14 PM
I think the first paragraph was posted earlier; here is the rest of the article.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43373.php (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43373.php) Maandag {Monday} 16 Juni 2008

Quote
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.

The prevailing opinion is that Aruba citizens in the Netherlands cause problems and that Aruba is costing the community a lot of money. MPA indicated in a reaction that the government must actively start informing the Dutch community about the situation. “The situation in Aruba is still being confused with the Neth.Antilles. To change this, we must give the Dutch community the correct information. It is in our interest to make sure that we maintain a positive relationship with the Netherlands. Besides, our children go to the Netherlands to go to college and a bad relationship will only cause problems for them”




Oh, and by the way, the corrupt mishandling Natalee Holloway case has done Aruba more damage imagewise than anything else that has ever affected that shitty island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 16, 2008, 11:26:36 PM
I'm not clicking on any links for fear it will be graphic pics.   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

*******, Dayhiker, rape victims don't often seek media attention, but I agree with both of you that a payoff might happen. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: hotping on June 16, 2008, 11:27:33 PM
Hey Hotshot

Just wondering did You ever hear from Caps? I and I'm sure lots of other Monkeys would like to know that He is OK....TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 16, 2008, 11:50:13 PM
I'm not clicking on any links for fear it will be graphic pics.   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

*******, Dayhiker, rape victims don't often seek media attention, but I agree with both of you that a payoff might happen. 



I don't think she is seeking any attention here either,but everyone likes money and a big check is hard to refuse. The two articles we saw were the same and provided little information,except it was bad for there tourism and accusations of a sexual assault. She probably hasn't said a word yet outside of the ALE and the Hospital.

I just hope this lady sees the bigger picture and how important it is to expose what the Aruban Authorities are really like when a woman is raped. How many have been raped in Aruba in the last 20 years and no one was ever held accountable? I hope this lady realizes that the same thing has happened to many before her and there will be many more. If what she says is true,then she has a chance to increase the safety and awareness for the women who will travel to Aruba after her and possibly save lives.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 12:05:53 AM
Joran is no longer a seventeen year old boy ... he is a 20 year old man.  As maturity sets in ... I pray Joran will come to the realization that his life is spinning out of control and ... heart changes are the only way out of the spiral.  I pray that one day soon Joran will bow and reach up.  On this glorious day ... the truth regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 will be revealed and ... healing for both him and ... Natalee's family will begin.

This does not mean there will not be consequences but ... Joran's changed heart will imply he will be ready to accept responsibility for his participation in the "something bad" that happened to Natalee Holloway as well as ... the H--- on Earth he created for her loving family.

Monkeys ... stay focused ... do not give up.  There will be justice for Natalee Holloway ... the Scriptures promise.

Janet

++++++++++++

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

Ecclesiastes 3:1
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven.

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 17, 2008, 12:07:42 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Here's my nominee for the caption contest on the front page:


#5- diverboy on June 16th, 2008 8:07 am

“Joran van der Sloot photographed nude in Thailand while making gestures ridiculing Aruba. He was holding something that look like a penis, only smaller.”


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::



It was a Penis Light!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2008, 12:09:16 AM
I'm not clicking on any links for fear it will be graphic pics.   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

*******, Dayhiker, rape victims don't often seek media attention, but I agree with both of you that a payoff might happen. 



I don't think she is seeking any attention here either,but everyone likes money and a big check is hard to refuse. The two articles we saw were the same and provided little information,except it was bad for there tourism and accusations of a sexual assault. She probably hasn't said a word yet outside of the ALE and the Hospital.

I just hope this lady sees the bigger picture and how important it is to expose what the Aruban Authorities are really like when a woman is raped. How many have been raped in Aruba in the last 20 years and no one was ever held accountable? I hope this lady realizes that the same thing has happened to many before her and there will be many more. If what she says is true,then she has a chance to increase the safety and awareness for the women who will travel to Aruba after her and possibly save lives.



True.  And she could contact Red or Dana and keep her real name out of it, but if she doesn't know Scared Monkeys, she won't know she can trust them. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2008, 12:13:20 AM
Someone from Thailand is on the site.  Sitemeter shows 1%

Saw 20 guests and wondered who and from where?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 12:14:55 AM
I see nothing in any of the Aruban papers about the American who was raped. However this article mentions a 15 year old rape victim and her accuser being sentenced later this month.I guess not all rape victims are denied justice,just the majority of them and all tourists who can hurt there precious tourism.

Solo Di Pueblo 6-16-08
(http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/831/rape1wr1.png) (http://imageshack.us)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 12:16:14 AM
Someone from Thailand is on the site.  Sitemeter shows 1%

Saw 20 guests and wondered who and from where?

Maybe it's Joran's buddy Mart  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: caesu on June 17, 2008, 12:25:00 AM
how can they put such a photo on the frontpage.
i've seen them filling pages with photo's of car accidents.

why they do this?
is it typically Aruban to do this? or is it a Caribbean thing.

it is not a Dutch thing. if a Dutch paper would put that on the frontpage there will be outrage.
even the most lowest gossip magazine wouldn't do that.

who is going to want to walk with their kids past a newsstand selling that paper.
or let that paper lying in the living room.

of course if peope choose to. they should be able to see all the horrors of this world. that's the reality.
but not just like that on the frontpage. that is just to shock.

and this man he hasn't even been identified? very thoughtful if a relative finds out this way...

to identify him they could make a composition of his face and print that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
Caesu it is absolutely appauling,but you must remember this is south america and a civilized country would never show such morbid pictures in the newspaper. Let alone the front page  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Tommorows first paper Awemainta says he has not been identified.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 12:33:22 AM
caesu

No tact.  Journalism at its worst.

Such disrespect to the deceased and ... no regard for his family.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 12:52:43 AM
Someone from Thailand is on the site.  Sitemeter shows 1%

Saw 20 guests and wondered who and from where?

Maybe it's Joran's buddy Mart  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Wheres Marten the Perv? Is he sitting in a Thai prison somewhere,did he flee the country or is he lying low in Thailand? He seems to have dissapeared,as all of his web sites are gone.

If this story is true,I am dying to know who's speed boat he took off on and who he is with? Did someone send him on a little vacation so he is safe from the angry Dutch people and out of the news?

First it was getting caught smoking marijuana in a airplane bathroom,then connning his gay friend out of 6,000 euros,now the naked picture of him drunk on a resort island screaming he is King of the ocean. Whats next for Joran? Where is his big pay day going to come from? Rest assured it is in the works.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2008, 01:28:02 AM
I think the first paragraph was posted earlier; here is the rest of the article.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43373.php (http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43373.php) Maandag {Monday} 16 Juni 2008

Quote
State Council: Aruba’s image negative
14 Jun, 2008, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANJESTAD/ DEN HAAG – The parliamentary delegation talked about the image of Aruba in the Netherlands during their visit to the State Council in the Netherlands. The Council says that it becomes more and more negative. Also the relationship between both countries has ‘cooled off’ lately.

The prevailing opinion is that Aruba citizens in the Netherlands cause problems and that Aruba is costing the community a lot of money. MPA indicated in a reaction that the government must actively start informing the Dutch community about the situation. “The situation in Aruba is still being confused with the Neth.Antilles. To change this, we must give the Dutch community the correct information. It is in our interest to make sure that we maintain a positive relationship with the Netherlands. Besides, our children go to the Netherlands to go to college and a bad relationship will only cause problems for them”




Oh, and by the way, the corrupt mishandling Natalee Holloway case has done Aruba more damage imagewise than anything else that has ever affected that shitty island.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2008, 02:11:40 AM
Someone from Thailand is on the site.  Sitemeter shows 1%

Saw 20 guests and wondered who and from where?

Maybe it's Joran's buddy Mart  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Wheres Marten the Perv? Is he sitting in a Thai prison somewhere,did he flee the country or is he lying low in Thailand? He seems to have dissapeared,as all of his web sites are gone.

If this story is true,I am dying to know who's speed boat he took off on and who he is with? Did someone send him on a little vacation so he is safe from the angry Dutch people and out of the news?

First it was getting caught smoking marijuana in a airplane bathroom,then connning his gay friend out of 6,000 euros,now the naked picture of him drunk on a resort island screaming he is King of the ocean. Whats next for Joran? Where is his big pay day going to come from? Rest assured it is in the works.


So......what you're telling us is that Joran did NOT join the Peace Corps?   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: texasmom on June 17, 2008, 02:57:24 AM
Destiny,
I just want to say that (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/smiley54.gif)
Don't let any ignorance projected at other forums ever slow down your admirable ability to gain information!  We've got your back sista!  Thanks for all you do!

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 17, 2008, 05:47:13 AM
                   Thanks, Rob!!!

                       (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/thwoohoo20dance.gif)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2471.120

I google earthed it, located the car, screen copied it, put it in Photobucket, edited it in Photobucket, and posted it.

                    You're a great teacher!

             ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

It was easier for me to edit it in Photobucket, when I edit things in paint, weird things happen.

               ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:16:50 AM
Morning Monkeys!!!

Do you remember how I was quite fixated on the Hayley Saganos statement and urine tests lists listed in the Dr. Phil suit? Beth had witnesses coming forward to tell her they had also been drugged and raped by joran and the pimps and then they were silenced. The haters have continuously stated there were no other victims who claimed to have been violated by the pimps. That is why the following posts caught my eye at RU!!! What...are they FINALLY admitting there were other victims of j2k???!!! Could there possibly have been a "coverup" of their past crimes?

That last line was sarcastic by the way RU.


resigned wrote:

We don't really know that to be fact though.

Who would have thought that they had the Hayley Saganos report to turn over....

Heli Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:27 pm 

Obviously they had it because it somehow was used against them in
ways none of us have ever been able to guess.

From what I've learned about aruban law, these suspects only get
declarations and reports/documents etc. if they are being used to build
a case against them.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Bearlyhere on June 17, 2008, 08:26:19 AM
Morning Monkeys!!!

Do you remember how I was quite fixated on the Hayley Saganos statement and urine tests lists listed in the Dr. Phil suit? Beth had witnesses coming forward to tell her they had also been drugged and raped by joran and the pimps and then they were silenced. The haters have continuously stated there were no other victims who claimed to have been violated by the pimps. That is why the following posts caught my eye at RU!!! What...are they FINALLY admitting there were other victims of j2k???!!! Could there possibly have been a "coverup" of their past crimes?

That last line was sarcastic by the way RU.


resigned wrote:

We don't really know that to be fact though.

Who would have thought that they had the Hayley Saganos report to turn over....

Heli Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:27 pm 

Obviously they had it because it somehow was used against them in
ways none of us have ever been able to guess.

From what I've learned about aruban law, these suspects only get
declarations and reports/documents etc. if they are being used to build
a case against them.
 


Thanks, ld.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 17, 2008, 08:29:22 AM
Morning Monkeys!!!

Do you remember how I was quite fixated on the Hayley Saganos statement and urine tests lists listed in the Dr. Phil suit?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IS THAT THIS IDSTLOU ?

08-23-2005

KOSINSKI: Well, yes. We‘ve been hearing rumors about other young women out there for weeks. Supposedly, they have talked to police. But police won‘t tell us anything about this. Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot. But keep in mind, we haven‘t been able to talk to any of these young ladies who had these allegations now that might help this case if they are proven to be true.

CLINT VAN ZANDT When I was in Aruba last week, and I knew these stories were coming out about Joran Van Der Sloot and about allegations concerning him and other women. But, you know, from my point as an FBI, a former FBI agent, I don‘t want to hurt the locals‘ case. I didn‘t want to—I didn‘t want them to say, hey, it‘s the media, who broke this story.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. Let me stop you there. Are you telling me, Clint, that you had information that authorities down there are hot on Joran‘s trail because other women are coming forward saying that he may have drugged them and then had unwanted sex with them?

VAN ZANDT: I was aware that those allegations were out there and that they‘re coming from women from multiple countries, different nationalities, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH: Really?

VAN ZANDT: And now it‘s—we keep saying give the police a chance to put their own case together. Well, somehow that information is—was released down there and is going to be published in the local paper tomorrow.

I hope this is the incentive that you‘ve asked for, that Beth Twitty has asked for, that other women, if they‘ve been a victim of anyone involved in this case or anybody else down there, now‘s the time to stand up and say, I won‘t be silent. I won‘t see other women become victims also.

SCARBOROUGH: So, Clint, you—and you did tell us and other people told us that people on the inside of this investigation were looking at this Dutch kid as possibly being a sexual predator.

If that in fact is revealed tomorrow, do they believe, as you said last week, that the way to solve this case may not be on the beaches of Aruba, but in the United States, in Europe, in other countries where young women have gone down there and been victimized by this guy?

VAN ZANDT: I think that‘s going to help, Joe.

Right now, as you well know, we still don‘t have a victim. We‘ve got a missing person in Natalee‘s case. But we don‘t have a victim. We don‘t have a crime scene. We don‘t have linking physical evidence. We have statements by Joran himself that he took inappropriate liberties. But nobody can say that he or the two Kalpoe brothers did anything up to and including murder right now.

But if there are other crimes that he or others are guilty of, if other women have been victims, these are the things the authorities need to know about and start building a case, not only concerning Natalee, but concerning other women who may have been victimized who have decided, no more. Nobody else is going to be a victim of anyone like this.

SCARBOROUGH: And, more importantly, you can keep him in jail past September the 4th and continue to build your case against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:34:58 AM
Morning Monkeys!!!

Do you remember how I was quite fixated on the Hayley Saganos statement and urine tests lists listed in the Dr. Phil suit?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IS THAT THIS IDSTLOU ?

08-23-2005

KOSINSKI: Well, yes. We‘ve been hearing rumors about other young women out there for weeks. Supposedly, they have talked to police. But police won‘t tell us anything about this. Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot. But keep in mind, we haven‘t been able to talk to any of these young ladies who had these allegations now that might help this case if they are proven to be true.

CLINT VAN ZANDT When I was in Aruba last week, and I knew these stories were coming out about Joran Van Der Sloot and about allegations concerning him and other women. But, you know, from my point as an FBI, a former FBI agent, I don‘t want to hurt the locals‘ case. I didn‘t want to—I didn‘t want them to say, hey, it‘s the media, who broke this story.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. Let me stop you there. Are you telling me, Clint, that you had information that authorities down there are hot on Joran‘s trail because other women are coming forward saying that he may have drugged them and then had unwanted sex with them?

VAN ZANDT: I was aware that those allegations were out there and that they‘re coming from women from multiple countries, different nationalities, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH: Really?

VAN ZANDT: And now it‘s—we keep saying give the police a chance to put their own case together. Well, somehow that information is—was released down there and is going to be published in the local paper tomorrow.

I hope this is the incentive that you‘ve asked for, that Beth Twitty has asked for, that other women, if they‘ve been a victim of anyone involved in this case or anybody else down there, now‘s the time to stand up and say, I won‘t be silent. I won‘t see other women become victims also.

SCARBOROUGH: So, Clint, you—and you did tell us and other people told us that people on the inside of this investigation were looking at this Dutch kid as possibly being a sexual predator.

If that in fact is revealed tomorrow, do they believe, as you said last week, that the way to solve this case may not be on the beaches of Aruba, but in the United States, in Europe, in other countries where young women have gone down there and been victimized by this guy?

VAN ZANDT: I think that‘s going to help, Joe.

Right now, as you well know, we still don‘t have a victim. We‘ve got a missing person in Natalee‘s case. But we don‘t have a victim. We don‘t have a crime scene. We don‘t have linking physical evidence. We have statements by Joran himself that he took inappropriate liberties. But nobody can say that he or the two Kalpoe brothers did anything up to and including murder right now.

But if there are other crimes that he or others are guilty of, if other women have been victims, these are the things the authorities need to know about and start building a case, not only concerning Natalee, but concerning other women who may have been victimized who have decided, no more. Nobody else is going to be a victim of anyone like this.

SCARBOROUGH: And, more importantly, you can keep him in jail past September the 4th and continue to build your case against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/


exactly. I believe there were 3 girls on Aruba that were ready to come forward. I believe they retaracted their stories after Jacobs had a "talk" with them.

No way 2k were not involved.

Didn't surprise me joran told Patrick they weren't, he has everything to gain if k2 would collect from the Dr. Phil lawsuit. If 2k received a settlement, who do you think would come knocking on their door for a handout? Nothing like a little blackmail to line your pockets.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:39:38 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:41:15 AM
so much attention has been given to joran lately because of all his antics, but lets not forget he did not do this alone. There were 4 people at that poolside meeting the next morning planning the coverup!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 17, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
08-23-2005
Today’s Diario Newspaper:


There is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.

And:
I can understand why a 17 year old, living on a small island, being afraid to come forward. The son of a local judge, judge in training, powerful man (whatever), even here, in a small town, there would be intimidation (sp).

But I wonder if he used the date rape drug, how she remembers it? I thought I had read that you don't remember.

a question !!!::::

Do you remember that someone give you rapedrugs , the next day ?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 08:50:27 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

Morning Lisa...Not Janet by any means...LOL...I posted who I thought they were yesterday...will find my post


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:50:49 AM
08-23-2005
Today’s Diario Newspaper:


There is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.

And:
I can understand why a 17 year old, living on a small island, being afraid to come forward. The son of a local judge, judge in training, powerful man (whatever), even here, in a small town, there would be intimidation (sp).

But I wonder if he used the date rape drug, how she remembers it? I thought I had read that you don't remember.

a question !!!::::

Do you remember that someone give you rapedrugs , the next day ?


good job johan!!

I was slipped one once...fortunately nothing bad happened after...long story...you remember not remembering...does that make sense? You are definately conscious of stuff right after...then bits and pieces when the drug is in full affect. It took me 2 days to feel normal again after...so I definately knew I had been slipped one.

Strange thing about Hayley to me was they took a urine sample to test. So does that mean they were back to their tricks while they were being investigated?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:51:49 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

Morning Lisa...Not Janet by any means...LOL...I posted who I thought they were yesterday...will find my post

morning MUM!! You all are on the ball!!! Man...I still need a few more cups of coffee..lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 08:53:08 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -  on: June 16, 2008, 06:13:15 AM
 
Catching up…I believe these were 2 of the girls that complained about being drugged and the involuntary sex, that Beth had referred to and no charges were ever acted on. Carmen may have been the third.    Dennis Jacobs???


Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 08:54:07 AM
Redskin cheerleaders return from Aruba
By Anthony Brown | June 16th, 2008
E-mail | Print | Share

The First Ladies of Football returned home from their photo-shoot for the 2008-09 Swimsuit Calendar last night. The Ladies were required to fly to Aruba for the session.

Redskins.com TV has a video report of the trip that you can watch – over and over again.

I tell you, there are few thrills more enticing than watching scantily clad cheerleaders play tackle football on the beach. Someone, probably me, need to coach those girls on how to snap a football.

This entry was posted on Monday, June 16th, 2008 at 7:03 pm and is filed under Washington Redskins Cheerleaders. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.   
http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/06/16/redskin-cheerleaders-return-home-from-aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 08:54:42 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

Morning Lisa...Not Janet by any means...LOL...I posted who I thought they were yesterday...will find my post

morning MUM!! You all are on the ball!!! Man...I still need a few more cups of coffee..lol

LOL...too much coffee here...I need breakfast!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:57:10 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -  on: June 16, 2008, 06:13:15 AM
 
Catching up…I believe these were 2 of the girls that complained about being drugged and the involuntary sex, that Beth had referred to and no charges were ever acted on. Carmen may have been the third.    Dennis Jacobs???


Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

 


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 17, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
The "timeshare" parties
Joran's (in 2005) 'girlfriend' and mother have a timeshare (house)in the area .
The other question is: would Joran indeed had a key to THIS apartment/house?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 08:59:52 AM
The "timeshare" parties
Joran's (in 2005) 'girlfriend' and mother have a timeshare (house)in the area .
The other question is: would Joran indeed had a key to THIS apartment/house?




like he would really need a key to get in...lol...career criminal!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
Morning Monkeys!!!

Do you remember how I was quite fixated on the Hayley Saganos statement and urine tests lists listed in the Dr. Phil suit?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IS THAT THIS IDSTLOU ?

08-23-2005

KOSINSKI: Well, yes. We‘ve been hearing rumors about other young women out there for weeks. Supposedly, they have talked to police. But police won‘t tell us anything about this. Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot. But keep in mind, we haven‘t been able to talk to any of these young ladies who had these allegations now that might help this case if they are proven to be true.

CLINT VAN ZANDT When I was in Aruba last week, and I knew these stories were coming out about Joran Van Der Sloot and about allegations concerning him and other women. But, you know, from my point as an FBI, a former FBI agent, I don‘t want to hurt the locals‘ case. I didn‘t want to—I didn‘t want them to say, hey, it‘s the media, who broke this story.

SCARBOROUGH: OK. Let me stop you there. Are you telling me, Clint, that you had information that authorities down there are hot on Joran‘s trail because other women are coming forward saying that he may have drugged them and then had unwanted sex with them?

VAN ZANDT: I was aware that those allegations were out there and that they‘re coming from women from multiple countries, different nationalities, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH: Really?

VAN ZANDT: And now it‘s—we keep saying give the police a chance to put their own case together. Well, somehow that information is—was released down there and is going to be published in the local paper tomorrow.
I hope this is the incentive that you‘ve asked for, that Beth Twitty has asked for, that other women, if they‘ve been a victim of anyone involved in this case or anybody else down there, now‘s the time to stand up and say, I won‘t be silent. I won‘t see other women become victims also.

SCARBOROUGH: So, Clint, you—and you did tell us and other people told us that people on the inside of this investigation were looking at this Dutch kid as possibly being a sexual predator.

If that in fact is revealed tomorrow, do they believe, as you said last week, that the way to solve this case may not be on the beaches of Aruba, but in the United States, in Europe, in other countries where young women have gone down there and been victimized by this guy?

VAN ZANDT: I think that‘s going to help, Joe.

Right now, as you well know, we still don‘t have a victim. We‘ve got a missing person in Natalee‘s case. But we don‘t have a victim. We don‘t have a crime scene. We don‘t have linking physical evidence. We have statements by Joran himself that he took inappropriate liberties. But nobody can say that he or the two Kalpoe brothers did anything up to and including murder right now.

But if there are other crimes that he or others are guilty of, if other women have been victims, these are the things the authorities need to know about and start building a case, not only concerning Natalee, but concerning other women who may have been victimized who have decided, no more. Nobody else is going to be a victim of anyone like this.

SCARBOROUGH: And, more importantly, you can keep him in jail past September the 4th and continue to build your case against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/

Wow!
So was all that info released in the local papers there the next day 8/24/05?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:04:16 AM
Destiny,
I just want to say that (http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Smileys/smiley54.gif)
Don't let any ignorance projected at other forums ever slow down your admirable ability to gain information!  We've got your back sista!  Thanks for all you do!

 ::MonkeyCool::



Thanks Tex...appreciate it...I do...and Thanks to all the nice things you wonderful Monkeys have said to me....I've never been the target of a disinfo campagne before...I can handle it...I think ;-)

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 09:05:59 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!

She gave a urine sample in NY for the FBI less then a week after NH went missing. Karen came forward along with two others from her class that said that she was drugged and assaulted by Joran. One of these girls Fathers gave a interview in one of the Aruban papers and said what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar with what happened to Natalee. He talked about Joran giving her a drink and it tingled her whole mouth and then she was assaulted. There are also at least two others who came forward from the states and the Dutch Investigators commented on these three Aruban girls,but added that a detective stated one of the girls was still in love with Joran so she did not press charges.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 09:12:08 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -  on: June 16, 2008, 06:13:15 AM
 
Catching up…I believe these were 2 of the girls that complained about being drugged and the involuntary sex, that Beth had referred to and no charges were ever acted on. Carmen may have been the third.    Dennis Jacobs???


Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

 


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!

Here is Hayley's, Lisa...done in the US...FBI

Name/Title/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh

Name/Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (urine samples)
Date: 06/07/2005
Pages: 1
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer/Initiaton Nurse Marie 0' Brain

Name/Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (results of examination)
Date: 14 June 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Quantico,VA 22135
Writer/lnitiator. Madeline A. Montgomery,BS / Chemistry Unit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 17, 2008, 09:15:17 AM
Klaas posted this link yesterday, this link has a lot more pictures.

IMO this is not fake, and they are in the water getting him out ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5082/8/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 09:16:33 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!

She gave a urine sample in NY for the FBI less then a week after NH went missing. Karen came forward along with two others from her class that said that she was drugged and assaulted by Joran. One of these girls Fathers gave a interview in one of the Aruban papers and said what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar with what happened to Natalee. He talked about Joran giving her a drink and it tingled her whole mouth and then she was assaulted. There are also at least two others who came forward from the states and the Dutch Investigators commented on these three Aruban girls,but added that a detective stated one of the girls was still in love with Joran so she did not press charges.


Hi *******...I found three girls from New England...Conn., I think, on the Dr Phil log, and tracked one's myspace or facebook. She was a couple of years older than Natalee, I wonder if these may have been the other US complaints. I believe they were all interviewed within a day or two of each other.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 09:18:08 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol

   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -  on: June 16, 2008, 06:13:15 AM
 
Catching up…I believe these were 2 of the girls that complained about being drugged and the involuntary sex, that Beth had referred to and no charges were ever acted on. Carmen may have been the third.    Dennis Jacobs???


Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 24 June 2005 / 13:50
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 23 August 2005
Pages: 5 (attachments of photographs)
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Stefany Mejia Cortes
Date: 24 August 2005
Pages: 3
WriteriInitiator.. Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement/complaint

Name: Carmen Aurora Pacheco
Date: 29 August 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs/ Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

 


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!

Here is Hayley's, Lisa...done in the US...FBI

Name/Title/Description: Hayley Carroro Sagona
Date: 06/06/2005
Pages: 3
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Jamaica, NY
Writer/Initiator: SA Gregory T. Mchugh

Name/Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (urine samples)
Date: 06/07/2005
Pages: 1
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Huntington NY
Writer/Initiaton Nurse Marie 0' Brain

Name/Title/Description: Hayley Sagona (results of examination)
Date: 14 June 2005
Pages: 2
File #: 163a-bb-1426
Location: Quantico,VA 22135
Writer/lnitiator. Madeline A. Montgomery,BS / Chemistry Unit



thanks Sweetie!!! Couldn't get it to copy and paste!!! lol

So she had to have thought she still had the drug in her system to be tested!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 17, 2008, 09:18:54 AM
This Karen ******* ?

Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/karenjoransfriend.jpg)
PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 09:20:19 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!

She gave a urine sample in NY for the FBI less then a week after NH went missing. Karen came forward along with two others from her class that said that she was drugged and assaulted by Joran. One of these girls Fathers gave a interview in one of the Aruban papers and said what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar with what happened to Natalee. He talked about Joran giving her a drink and it tingled her whole mouth and then she was assaulted. There are also at least two others who came forward from the states and the Dutch Investigators commented on these three Aruban girls,but added that a detective stated one of the girls was still in love with Joran so she did not press charges.


Hi *******...I found three girls from New England...Conn., I think, on the Dr Phil log, and tracked one's myspace or facebook. She was a couple of years older than Natalee, I wonder if these may have been the other US complaints. I believe they were all interviewed within a day or two of each other.


were you able to talk to her?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2008, 09:23:35 AM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.

Are you twisting WHAT I am saying again?

The one I saw looks like a hoax.  Who put the VC printing on his
breast area *******?  You trying to make ME look like shit?

Jackb - this is your last warning.  You seem to take everyone the wrong way and see things that nobody else does.  I'm not going to allow you to start this up again.

You can kiss my freaking ass Klass, you and your bunch of sow monkeys,   Jack B.

Needless to say, this person has been banned ::MonkeyNoNo::


I feel a song coming on...OK, I won't sing, but can I do this?  ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
Jack: I don't think it is cool at all...I think it is sickening this decaying corpse is all over the front page of every newspaper. The one in Awemainta is unedited and shows his face. I have seen some very gruesome pictures of fatalities in Aruban papers but this definetly is the most gruesome next to Pitbulls mutilated body.

Are you twisting WHAT I am saying again?

The one I saw looks like a hoax.  Who put the VC printing on his
breast area *******?  You trying to make ME look like shit?

Jackb - this is your last warning.  You seem to take everyone the wrong way and see things that nobody else does.  I'm not going to allow you to start this up again.

You can kiss my freaking ass Klass, you and your bunch of sow monkeys,   Jack B.

Needless to say, this person has been banned ::MonkeyNoNo::


I feel a song coming on...OK, I won't sing, but can I do this?  ::cartwheel::

lol...wanted to comment on that one...but skipped it...lol...glad you were the first!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 09:27:18 AM
Well this "Monkey sow" is taking her baby Monkey to soccer camp and then heading out for a practice run...talk to you all later.

Have a great day!!! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Lala'sMom on June 17, 2008, 09:28:52 AM
I have been a cow, a grannie and now a sow...Does that make me a woo sooo eeee piggy?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 09:29:02 AM
Quote
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

isn't that colossal pant load Koen's apartment in Chollarstad?

on Lucinstraat?

and this was the direction Deepak's Honda was heading after going to / past Choose-a-name.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 09:31:21 AM
This Karen ******* ?


Yes,that is her. You can read that the three were willing to come forward in that civil suit as Beth's Lawyer talked a little about them. We know Dennis Jacobs talked to them and since then all of them have backed down about pressing charges. This Dutch article is confirming that and I believe the detective they are reffering to is Dennnis Jacobs and the girl is Karen.

The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2606498/Arubaans_offensief_in_zaak-Holloway.html?p=20,1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 09:33:40 AM
Need help. I think there were 3 girls from Aruba as well as some here in the states.

Is Janet awake yet? Need our researcher..lol


So Hayley was not from Aruba?

It was just eye opening when Heli stated they would not have the statement if it were not used to build a case against j2k!!

She gave a urine sample in NY for the FBI less then a week after NH went missing. Karen came forward along with two others from her class that said that she was drugged and assaulted by Joran. One of these girls Fathers gave a interview in one of the Aruban papers and said what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar with what happened to Natalee. He talked about Joran giving her a drink and it tingled her whole mouth and then she was assaulted. There are also at least two others who came forward from the states and the Dutch Investigators commented on these three Aruban girls,but added that a detective stated one of the girls was still in love with Joran so she did not press charges.


Hi *******...I found three girls from New England...Conn., I think, on the Dr Phil log, and tracked one's myspace or facebook. She was a couple of years older than Natalee, I wonder if these may have been the other US complaints. I believe they were all interviewed within a day or two of each other.


were you able to talk to her?


LOl...No...just did a quick search and found it...I have been trying to find some-one the FBI supposedly interviewed, so every now and again I go to the log and try and work out who the peeps are that the FBI questioned and why! Have been a little busy and never got back to it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 09:35:54 AM
The role we play
 
Tuesday June 17 2008
 
 


Over the last few years there has been an upsurge in criminal activity in the country and this, of course, has led to an almost equal response from the media with respect to coverage of such events that contest for time and space with stories related to natural and man-made disasters.


Crime news sells a tremendous amount of newspapers and boosts the listening and viewing audience figures of the electronic media tremendously, because naturally, people react a little more vigorously to anything that would have adverse consequences on human life, as is the case with crime.


   

   



It would therefore stand to reason that media practitioners respond to this natural demand by chasing after crime news and seeking to present such in a timely fashion.


Over the weekend there was much discussion on whether or not the media takes the matter of crime reporting too far. Further, it was suggested in some quarters the approach to crime news by the local media does more damage than good to the tourism industry, resulting in appeals by some to tone down the reporting of criminal activities since too much may very well deter potential visitors.


“Bury the crime somewhere in the middle of the paper rather than splash it across the front page”, is what they are telling newspapers. The electronic media is being told that they should refrain from making these stories lead items and not give them the type of news treatment that other major stories receive.


As much as we understand what the tourism officials are trying to do, we humbly submit that they are being mostly unfair to the media houses. Many of these officials do not offer much content to the media houses anyway so what gives them the platform to demand a say in how media houses decide what is in the best interest of the public?


Further, the local support for the training of journalists, while contributing to the efforts of the security forces, are not particularly well-documented. If it is they have been offering much to especially the crime fighting efforts of the country’s authorities.


Protesters have to start looking at the broader picture – one that shows members of the media would be falling woefully short of properly and professionally executing their duties and the service they offer to the people of this country.


Indeed should we play “hide and go see” with the news, knowing that the people who stand to benefit least will probably be those mostly involved in the tourism industry?


It is all well and good to say that if tourists are given a steady diet of crime news from this country they will naturally seek out destinations that offer a more crime-free setting. Now, as we say that, we are wondering where are the destinations that can truly boast of a squeaky clean image?


The tourists will always roam as this is what they do best – seek out new destinations with new experiences, new cultures. We believe they would love to know exactly what they might be faced with as they try to enjoy their travels.


We believe this means a tourist could well know a destination has more than its fair share of crime and prepare accordingly. If they recognize that a particular area in the north of the island has a checkered crime history they would exercise great caution if they find it necessary to visit the area. They might choose to go in groups or forget about the night setting. In fact, they might choose to not make that area a part of their itinerary at all. Knowing about a situation makes one better able to plan properly to avoid negative fallout.


The tourism officials seem to be thinking in dollars and cents rather than in lives saved through visitors’ awareness of their surroundings. The Holloway case in Aruba should be enough to tell us what one life lost through the lack of awareness can do to a destination.


Having said that though, none in the media will pretend they do not understand the critical importance to the tourism industry of the positive news coming out of the country. Tourism officials need to assist them in this area, however, rather than the journalist having to ferret that positive tourism news. Both sides have critical parts to play and we believe that probably a better understanding of each others' role might just help the situation.
 http://www.antiguasun.com/paper/?as=view&sun=281935077507132005&an=423109048806172008&ac=Opinion



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 09:39:36 AM
I think this is where Lucinstraat is located... if not - it's right in the immediate vicinity.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/LUCINSTRAAT2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 09:43:32 AM
This Karen ******* ?


Yes,that is her. You can read that the three were willing to come forward in that civil suit as Beth's Lawyer talked a little about them. We know Dennis Jacobs talked to them and since then all of them have backed down about pressing charges. This Dutch article is confirming that and I believe the detective they are reffering to is Dennnis Jacobs and the girl is Karen.

The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2606498/Arubaans_offensief_in_zaak-Holloway.html?p=20,1


That statement of Joran's is totally weird as earlier that day he threw a tantrum and refused to talk! Didn't like Daddy being arrested! Then he comes back with all the sex stuff...he said in his book they wanted to know about his sex life!!!! Something happened in between those statement times!

Have a great day Lisa!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 09:54:03 AM
Blonde or *******...do either of you remember a friend of Joran's named Ryan?  I am looking through his book for it, but I may have seen a photo!  TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 09:54:29 AM
Suriname's national carrier to resume flights to US

 
Published on Tuesday, June 17, 2008 Email To Friend    Print Version

By Ivan Cairo
Caribbean Net News Suriname Correspondent
Email: ivan@caribbeannetnews.com

PARAMARIBO, Suriname: Surinam Airways (SLM), Suriname’s national carrier will resume direct flights to the United States of America (USA) after nearly 16 years a company official here disclosed. The move comes at a moment when several airlines are scaling back operations to the Caribbean due to increased fuel costs.

 
Surinam Airways
“As of August 25 the SLM will operate direct flights to Miami, Florida, in the US with a stopover in Aruba,” company spokesman Rudy Westerborg, said in an invited comment.

The Miami flights will utilise an MD-82, which also services the airline's other regional destinations.

Surinam Airways is able to resume flights to US territories since the US Federal Aviation Authority recently lifted its ban on all Surinamese airlines to operate flights to the US.

The ban came after Suriname failed to implement several aviation safety standards, while national legislation had to be brought in line with international standards.

Surinam Airways will start with two flights on Monday and Friday while the number of flights could be increased if necessary. Westerborg further disclosed that the immigration clearance for Miami will be done at the airport in Aruba. “This will ease passengers’ entry in Miami since they only have to collect their luggage and proceed to customs which will also minimize any delay,” he said.

According to the spokesman, other regional operations of Surinam Airways will continue as is.

Westerborg said that Belem (Brazil), Port-of-Spain, and Curaçao will be serviced according to current schedules.

Meanwhile the company is appealing to the government for subsidies to cope with its increased fuel costs.

The official further disclosed that due to increased operational costs the airline will increase its fuel tax. Earlier this year the fuel tax was increased by 20 euros for return flights to Europe and US$5 for regional operations.

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-8589--36-36--.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 10:03:53 AM
Blonde or *******...do either of you remember a friend of Joran's named Ryan?  I am looking through his book for it, but I may have seen a photo!  TIA
No,I don't recall a Ryan at the moment.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 17, 2008, 10:04:23 AM
This Karen ******* ?


Yes,that is her. You can read that the three were willing to come forward in that civil suit as Beth's Lawyer talked a little about them. We know Dennis Jacobs talked to them and since then all of them have backed down about pressing charges. This Dutch article is confirming that and I believe the detective they are reffering to is Dennnis Jacobs and the girl is Karen.

The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2606498/Arubaans_offensief_in_zaak-Holloway.html?p=20,1

Telegraaf :
The first survey also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had told  that she was raped by Joran. Obviously we've tried to make her declaration, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said detective.

I think they  payed the 3 girls  to say nothing about the rape!
That is the Aruban &  vd Sloot Style


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: johan555 on June 17, 2008, 10:06:21 AM
Next question who is that therapist?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 10:07:11 AM
Posted by Debbie at BFN:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/a764ab85.jpg)

http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6178


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 10:16:10 AM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 10:21:50 AM
Blonde or *******...do either of you remember a friend of Joran's named Ryan?  I am looking through his book for it, but I may have seen a photo!  TIA
No,I don't recall a Ryan at the moment.


Thanks *******, I don't know where I saw it! Just ran into something yesterday and I thought of seeing the name before!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 10:22:16 AM
Next question who is that therapist?

Patient/Dr confidentiality - we don't know.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Helen Back on June 17, 2008, 10:26:29 AM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


This statement demonstrates that the Chuck Rat doesn't know much about how things work over at the FBI.

What a bag of hot air.  Pfffffffft

I put as much confidence in what Rep. Bachus says as what the Chuck Rat says.

Good morning monkeys.

  ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 10:32:22 AM
Next question who is that therapist?
No name was given but he may have spoken to Dan Riehl at RWV.

Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE

Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..

Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
---------------------------------------
Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005

Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.

In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/two_observation.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 10:37:56 AM
Klaas....HUGE BABANA HEADING TO YOUR BASKET!!!...just got off phone with contact in Aruba...can't post here...

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 10:54:47 AM
A PRECONCEIVED PLAN

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006


... it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
August 4, 2005


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY:  Well, this is a young beautiful blonde tourist from New Jersey, and she has had an encounter with Joran van der Sloot.  And it was in April of '05 at Carlos 'n Charlie's. 

CROWLEY:  Why do you think she came forward now, Beth? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  You know, I—you know, I think it's just a matter of time before other—other young girls will begin to do this.  I am quite certain now, with her recount of events of the night in April of '05, that there are probably numerous others.  If you want me to describe some of the details of that night, I'd be glad to. 

CROWLEY:  Yes, please.  Please, Beth, tell us specifically what this witness told you about her particular encounter with Joran. 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Well, I think it—and, as I describe it, it becomes clearer to me that Joran and Deepak and Satish have a pretty good long history together, and I think they also—you know, I know it's been a well—true of the well established predatory type behavior. 

You know, he enters Carlos 'n Charlie's—and something I think is unique about this is, Joran is able to enter it on the left side, vs. the right side, which I believe you have to have an I.D. presented at the time.  On the left side, you must get a special privilege.  I don't know if it's a VIP card, or I don't know what a person might have to enter the establishment on that side. 

He comes into the bar.  Of course, it's getting close to closing time.  Tends to be his pattern.  Approaches this group of three tourists.  Immediately—you know what is so unusual about this is, as he is approaching them, he also takes them around Carlos 'n Charlie's.

And it was so remarkable how he knew everyone and everyone knew him, from giving this grip handshake to all the guys, to kiss on the cheeks to the girls, actually points out Deepak and Satish Kalpoe sitting on the same bench, bar stools, or seats, that they are seated in the picture that has been all over international media.  So, that must be their little roost, as they're in Carlos 'n Charlie's having Joran work for them. 

You know, he leans over the bar is able to order of four shots of 151, three for the girls, one for himself.  You know, he has an open tab to where he just leans over, and the bartender presents them, lines them up.  These girls had no idea what 151 was.  And it makes me think now, you know, I am certain that's the shot he was buying my daughter right before closing time, or shots of—it was a shot of 151.  I know he bought her at least one shot. 

You know, these girls don't even know what that is.  And, you know, another friend of Joran's is coming up to him during that time with the girls.  And it's a short guy, dark-headed, light-skinned, has to stretch and reach his arm around Joran, and is almost as if to sell Joran, speaking of how rich he is, and just really promoting Joran.

And also, as he is pointing out Deepak and Satish, he is referring to them as his gambling buddies, buddies, and ones that he plays poker with on a regular basis. 

(CROSSTALK)

CROWLEY:  Beth, did you get a sense from—did you get a sense from talking to this new witness that Joran and his cronies essentially had a wing man set up, where they would approach a group of girls, some tourists, and it would sort of be bad cop/good cop, where they would set them up with drinks and then try to seduce them? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Absolutely.  Deepak and Satish were the wing men, and Joran was on the front line as the bait, seeing what he could pick up for the night, absolutely. 

CROWLEY:  Beth, did this...

(CROSSTALK)

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  And he was very...

CROWLEY:  Did this new witness just witness Joran and his cronies on one night, or was this over a series of nights? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  This was one night, one encounter with him, just so happened to be her last night on the island.   

CROWLEY:  Let me ask you, how credible do you think this witness is, Beth? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  I think she is absolutely credible, absolutely.  I sat down and spoke with she and her mother.  And I—she recounted every event, 100 percent credible, absolutely. 

CROWLEY:  And I also understand that she has photographs.  What are these photos of? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Yes, she has a photo of Joran with one of the girls that he was meeting with that night.  It was one of the three girls.  It was not her herself, but one of her friends. 

CROWLEY:  Now, Beth, do you believe that this girl—did she indicate to you in any way, shape or form that she herself had some sort of romantic relationship with Joran? 

HOLLOWAY TWITTY:  Oh, she absolutely did not, absolutely.  That did not happen.  You know, he was very persistent and kept trying to get trying to get the girls—trying to get these girls, their cell phone numbers, where are you saying, but, you know, they just—they didn't give it out to him.  You know, he was encouraging them to continue the party on from that—from Carlos 'n Charlie's ...
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839028/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 10:57:03 AM
A PRECONCEIVED PLAN

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006


... it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005


DANIELS:  It definitely smells that way.  You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here.  We are talking about drugs.  We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people.  There are four guys now in custody, four best friends.  What does that tell you?
 
MANSUR:  Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends.  They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house.  So, there is a bond between them.  There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9119491/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 10:59:07 AM
A PRECONCEIVED PLAN

Joran van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 3, 2006


... it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it's happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186707,00.html


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005


To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 11:03:40 AM
Monkeys ... have a good day.

Off to a field trip with six year old grandaughter's grade one class.  Pilot Daddy is flying today and ... Mommy is on a field trip with older brother's class.

Lots of fun in the last couple weeks prior to summer vacation.

 ::cartwheel::

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
8:00 AM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 11:05:09 AM
Monkeys ... have a good day.

Off to a field trip with six year old grandaughter's grade one class.  Pilot Daddy is flying today and ... Mommy is on a field trip with older brother's class.

Lots of fun in the last couple weeks prior to summer vacation.

 ::cartwheel::

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
8:00 AM

Have a wonderful day Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 11:09:26 AM
This Karen ******* ?

Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/karenjoransfriend.jpg)
PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES



Oh now,so at least one of the interviews/interrogations were taped!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: MumInOhio on June 17, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
One more on the shoes…LOL …from Joran’s book…Joran said these borrowed shoes were only one size smaller shoes, but a few days later he was asked to take off the size 10.5 shoes!!!

May 30th.,he stated he was wearing a size 14!! Must be a typo!!

P219-220
August 2nd 2005
…..And that he now was wearing borrowed K-Swiss shoes from a cell-mate and that these were one size smaller than the ones he had lost at the beach. The shoes he lost had a size 14. Joran also told me about a small riot in the KIA, which caused everyone to have a more severe detention.

P224
August 8th 2005

During interrogation Joran is asked to take off his shoes. "Why are you now wearing size 10.5, while you stated that on May 30th you were wearing size 14?",  they asked him. Joran says, "that's because of the difference between English and American shoes sizes, but i don't tell them."


Have a great day Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 11:40:39 AM
Have a Wonderful Day Janet!!!

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 11:42:32 AM
Klaas...nanner basket...  ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: msmarple on June 17, 2008, 11:55:45 AM
http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3058/30/ (http://news.diario-aruba.com/content/view/3058/30/)

Quote
PERSONA HAYA HOGA NA BOCA WARIRURI       
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN) --- Dialuna ta mainta, un grupo di persona coriendo ariba Quadracer, a bin descubri un curpa ta drief rond den e boca Wariruri.

Mesora a bati alarma y no a tarda mucho cu diferente Polis y Recherché a yega na e boca ya menciona pa tuma nota di e sucedido.
Alarm Central tambe a worde poni na haltura di e caso y a despacha un unidad di Brandweer pa e sitio.

Na su yegada, dos di e miembronan di Brandweer a drenta e lama, pa por a recoge e persona cu ya tabata mustra cu e no tin señal di bida y claramente por a observa cu e persona aki di color scur, postura normal y cu un Tattoo di scorpion na su braza, ya tabata tin mas cu un dia den e lama, debi cu su pia banda robez ya a worde comi pa pisca nan grandi te na su bil.

Su curpa tabata tin muestra cu el a haya basta golpi na e barancanan y na su cabez por a nota cu el a haya basta sla akinan tambe. Rond di su pecho un cabuya di nylon tabata mara y na su parti ariba un buraco cu por ta consecuencia di dos a tres posibilidad.

Loke por a mira rond ta cu monton di palo di lama a worde poni ariba otro, cu por worde usa di señala un lugar durante di oranan laat di anochi y tambe por a mira cu varios boter di awa tabata fresco na e lugar ya menciona. Tambe tabata tin dos serbete cu no ta conoci si ta di e victima of di otro person nan cu ta bay na e lugar aki.

Dokter Kelly a bini na e sitio pa por a constata morto di e persona y Funeraria di Lulio a bay cu e curpa cu a worde tuma den beslag pa mas investigacion.

Departamento di T.O.D y di Recherché tin e caso den investigacion y mas den curso di siman nos ta spera di bini cu mas detaye nan encuanto e curpa haya na costa panoord di Aruba.

 
Online Pap translation:

person achieve hoga at mouth wariruri

tuesday, 17 june 2008

oranjestad (aan) --- monday is morning, one are of person coriendo upstairs quadracer, owing to come descubri one curpa is drief rond in the mouth wariruri.

at once owing to beat alarma y not owing to tarda mucho cu various police y recherché owing to arrive at the mouth already menciona for take notice of the sucedido.
alarm central also owing to worde poni at height of the caso y owing to despacha one unidad of brandweer for her sitio.

at his arrival, two of the miembronan of brandweer owing to enter the lama, for can owing to recoge the person cu already was show cu the not have sign of life y claramente can owing to observa cu the person here of color dark, postura normal y cu one tattoo of scorpion at his braza, already was have more cu one day in the lama, debi cu his leg near robez already owing to worde comi for pisca they big till at his bil.

his curpa was have sample cu past owing to achieve enough golpi at the barancanan y at his cabez can owing to notice cu past owing to achieve enough sla akinan also. rond of his pecho one cabuya of nylon was mara y at his part upstairs one buraco cu can is consecuencia of two owing to three posibilidad.

thing can owing to see rond is cu accumulation of tree of lama owing to worde poni upstairs another, cu can worde using of señala one lugar during of oranan late of night y also can owing to see cu several boter of water was fresco at the lugar already menciona. also was have two serbete cu do not conoci if is of the victima or of another person they cu is bay at the lugar here.

doctor kelly owing to come at the sitio for can owing to constata dead of the person y funeraria of lulio owing to bay cu the curpa cu owing to worde take in beslag for more investigacion.

departamento of t.o.d y of recherché have the caso in investigacion y more in curso of week we is wait for of come cu more detaye they encuanto the curpa achieve at costa panoord of aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 17, 2008, 12:13:21 PM
BREAKING:

24 ORA


FIRE NEAR MARRIOTT?


 Candela na Marriott Casino
Policial
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 - 11:31
breaking%20news.gifDiamars mainta algo pasa di 11 or melding ta drenta cu lo mester tin candela den dak na Marriott Hotel. Immediatamente dos unidad di Brandweer y Polis a mobilisa pa e sitio. Na nan yegada no por a nota senal di huma of candela. Despues di drenta paden na e parti di casino a bin compronde cu tabata tin candela pero personal di Marriott a logra di domina e candela cu un fire extinguisher. Dentro di poco e imagenan.



http://www.24ora.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 12:18:03 PM
BREAKING:

24 ORA


FIRE NEAR MARRIOTT?


 Candela na Marriott Casino
Policial
Tuesday, 17 June 2008 - 11:31
breaking%20news.gifDiamars mainta algo pasa di 11 or melding ta drenta cu lo mester tin candela den dak na Marriott Hotel. Immediatamente dos unidad di Brandweer y Polis a mobilisa pa e sitio. Na nan yegada no por a nota senal di huma of candela. Despues di drenta paden na e parti di casino a bin compronde cu tabata tin candela pero personal di Marriott a logra di domina e candela cu un fire extinguisher. Dentro di poco e imagenan.



http://www.24ora.com/

More through translator:

tuesday morning algo happen of 11 or melding is enter cu will have to have candela in roof at marriott hotel. immediatamente two unidad of brandweer y police owing to mobilisa for her sitio. at they arrival not can owing to notice senal of smoke or candela. after of enter inside at the part of casino owing to come compronde cu was have candela but personal of marriott owing to succeed of domina the candela cu one fire extinguisher. dentro of some the imagenan. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Hotshot on June 17, 2008, 12:26:08 PM
I think this is where Lucinstraat is located... if not - it's right in the immediate vicinity.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/LUCINSTRAAT2.jpg)
Can't see your picture so I don't know where you are pointing but its in or close to Madiki, close to water, a pond or something.  And it was Koens mothers shop, not an apartment.  I would post a picture of it, but photobucket is not working for me right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 12:29:00 PM
I think Photobucket is having some issues right now.  Hopefully they will fix their problem shortly  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 12:32:13 PM
Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 12:33:47 PM
This Karen ******* ?

Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/karenjoransfriend.jpg)
PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES



Oh now,so at least one of the interviews/interrogations were taped!
Does C&C's have an upstairs?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 12:36:45 PM
KLAAS...*new* neeners..... Des...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: always 1 on June 17, 2008, 01:01:09 PM
Hi, I found 400+ pictures of ARuba in WWW.leue-photo.com    maybe good reference...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 01:06:03 PM
Hi, I found 400+ pictures of ARuba in WWW.leue-photo.com    maybe good reference...

There are some nice photos of Aruba here, mostly post card type and we don't know when they were taken but still nice.  Thanks for the link:

http://www.leue-photo.com/galleries/caribbean/aruba/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 17, 2008, 01:07:26 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


bachus would be informed through diplomatic channels?  i think there just might have been a bottleneck in the channel since the ranking diplomat on aruba was the same lady we've talked about before who beth saw leaving the sloot house during his "get out of jail" party.  bachus also played host to the aruba govt. party and wouldn't let natalee's family or attorney attend.  i believe you'll also find that his campaign fund received a fat donation from the aruban govt. during that time.  old chuckierat is dumjber than a rock if he thinks we haven't been watching closer than that.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 01:15:00 PM
Hi, I found 400+ pictures of ARuba in WWW.leue-photo.com    maybe good reference...
VERY cool link Always1,thanks!
I like how he/she has descriptions under each image.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 01:15:31 PM
Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism


Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

By DANICA COTO, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jun 16, 4:03 PM ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Expensive jet fuel and a soft American economy are threatening to sink Caribbean tourism as airline ticket prices soar and flights are sharply reduced, choking the flow of the vacationers that many tiny islands depend upon.
 
Tourism is the economic cornerstone of the Caribbean, which drew more than 15 million visitors last year to colonial cities and carefree beaches.

"Billions of dollars of investment are being exposed and thousands of jobs are being exposed," said Allen Chastanet, chairman of the Caribbean Tourism Organization.

Airlines are cutting back across the world as passengers balk at paying fares that have risen along with fuel costs. The Caribbean is particularly vulnerable because one foundering airline, American, controls much of the market — carrying more than 60 percent of passengers traveling through Puerto Rico last year.

American now expects to cut daily flights out of Puerto Rico's capital from 93 to 51 in September. Some flights will be cut to Santo Domingo, Antigua, St. Maarten, Aruba and Samana in the Dominican Republic, spokeswoman Minnette Velez said.

Fewer flights to Puerto Rico also could also jeopardize the island's cruise ship industry, since it would be harder for passengers to reach the island to board. Ten cruise ships used Puerto Rico as their home port last year.

Rather than raise ticket prices so high that they're beyond the reach of most customers, American has decided to cut flights and reduce capacity, Velez said. "Traveling would be completely inaccessible if we increase fares as oil prices rise," she said.

Other carriers are making similar moves. Spirit Airlines recently said it would close its San Juan hub, and Continental Airlines expects to soon announce destination and flight cuts.

The Caribbean is still affordable for wealthy travelers, but resorts "that appeal particularly to price-sensitive families are in a world of trouble," said Christopher Hart, a professor at the Cornell University School of Hotel Administration.

The flight cuts are coming despite increases in tourism this year to most of the islands, including double-digit growth in U.S. visitors to Antigua, St. Lucia and Jamaica, according to the Caribbean Tourism Organization. The Dominican Republic reported 407,000 U.S. tourists from January to April, a 6 percent increase from last year, and Puerto Rico reported increased airline passenger traffic as well.

Now many fear even more cuts, meaning the islands won't even have a chance to lure more tourists.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


bachus would be informed through diplomatic channels?  i think there just might have been a bottleneck in the channel since the ranking diplomat on aruba was the same lady we've talked about before who beth saw leaving the sloot house during his "get out of jail" party.  bachus also played host to the aruba govt. party and wouldn't let natalee's family or attorney attend.  i believe you'll also find that his campaign fund received a fat donation from the aruban govt. during that time.  old chuckierat is dumjber than a rock if he thinks we haven't been watching closer than that.
dennisintn
Dennis,lol,ole chunky rat is full of caca. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 01:17:51 PM
Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html


Thanks *******, just posted a piece of that flight cutbacks article.

But can you imagine what a terrorist attack on a cruise ship would do? Holy cow!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 01:25:38 PM
http://awe24.com/

A couple of crackheads lead the polis on a chase thru Santa Cruz.

and a fire at the Marriott health club..

that's all so far for today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Pita on June 17, 2008, 01:26:10 PM
Does C&C's have an upstairs?

Yes.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2008, 01:26:45 PM
Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html


Thanks *******, just posted a piece of that flight cutbacks article.

But can you imagine what a terrorist attack on a cruise ship would do? Holy cow!

Also, how comfortable are American tourists being only 15 miles away from Venezuela and Chavez????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 01:45:08 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


bachus would be informed through diplomatic channels?  i think there just might have been a bottleneck in the channel since the ranking diplomat on aruba was the same lady we've talked about before who beth saw leaving the sloot house during his "get out of jail" party.  bachus also played host to the aruba govt. party and wouldn't let natalee's family or attorney attend.  i believe you'll also find that his campaign fund received a fat donation from the aruban govt. during that time.  old chuckierat is dumjber than a rock if he thinks we haven't been watching closer than that.
dennisintn


Yea and since when is Chunky Rat correct..hahahaha ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Didn't he post just last week that Dr. Phil was in settlement negotiations with the kalpoops? Wrong again Chunky!!! Did you read the latest article Chunky?

He just likes to read his own long winded posts!!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 01:47:31 PM
KLASS...check basket please...Des...TY...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: always 1 on June 17, 2008, 01:48:34 PM
In that link www.leue-photo.com  on photo 99, it shows people snuba snorkling on DePalm Island and they are tied with ropes like the dead guy yesterday. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 17, 2008, 02:10:58 PM
Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html


Thanks *******, just posted a piece of that flight cutbacks article.

But can you imagine what a terrorist attack on a cruise ship would do? Holy cow!


well, if i was just bound and determined to go on a cruise now, i'd have to wear a bulletproof vest, combat helmet, and personal flotation device 24 hours a day.  better safe than sorry.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Maggie on June 17, 2008, 02:15:09 PM

I've always thought the cruise ships were incredibly vulnerable...children have instructions "NO CRUISES" since 9/11.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 02:20:09 PM
o/t real quick

I can't believe it!!! Up to $675.00!!!
My goal was $1000.00 in the Race For The Cure.

Just a little farther to go if anyone can help!!

I found a pink shirt this morning...one of those ones that absorbs sweat...so I won't even stink!!! lol

Now have to find iron-on letters to honor my heroes!!!

Still thinking of hopping in the van right after and driving up to DC for the protest on Sunday...we'll see how much energy I have left!!! lol

A big thank you to all the Monkeys!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 02:22:46 PM
In that link www.leue-photo.com  on photo 99, it shows people snuba snorkling on DePalm Island and they are tied with ropes like the dead guy yesterday. 

Yes they do have ropes similar to the yellow.  Here's someones online album Snuba in Aruba:

http://katys-porch.com/day3.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 17, 2008, 02:27:09 PM
[

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html
[/quote]


Thanks *******, just posted a piece of that flight cutbacks article.

But can you imagine what a terrorist attack on a cruise ship would do? Holy cow!

[/quote]

well, if i was just bound and determined to go on a cruise now, i'd have to wear a bulletproof vest, combat helmet, and personal flotation device 24 hours a day.  better safe than sorry.
dennisintn
[/quote]

did i mention i'd also be sleeping in the lifeboats?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 02:29:34 PM
In that link www.leue-photo.com  on photo 99, it shows people snuba snorkling on DePalm Island and they are tied with ropes like the dead guy yesterday. 

Yes they do have ropes similar to the yellow.  Here's someones online album Snuba in Aruba:

http://katys-porch.com/day3.htm




but why don't they know who the poor guy is then? You would think if he just went out for a day of diving...someone would report him missing after say...the first day or two???!!!

I think it is something more sinister...poor soul may he rest in peace!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 17, 2008, 02:29:52 PM
In that link www.leue-photo.com  on photo 99, it shows people snuba snorkling on DePalm Island and they are tied with ropes like the dead guy yesterday. 

hmmm, sounds like one of the snorkeling tours either lost a swimmer and didn't notice, or have kept it really quiet and away from the news media.
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: mrskub on June 17, 2008, 02:40:45 PM
I have seen that type of rope used for water skiing also. What I can't understand is why he was naked? I can't see anyone doing any type of watersport nude.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 03:22:06 PM
I have seen that type of rope used for water skiing also. What I can't understand is why he was naked? I can't see anyone doing any type of watersport nude.

Whew...y'all have been busy!! Destiny you got the magic touch!!  Klaas I saw the pictures of your house....WOW....did y'all do the  pergo yourself??  The pictures of the dead man are disturbing.....it shows what little respect aruba has for human life.....was this man weighted down and the rope broke? was he drug behind a boat via the rope? NOPE...he commited suicide...come on it's Aruba!!!  Re: the woman who was raped...I hope she has a support system that will allow her to go through with the prosecution of these three 'beach bums'?  I still haven't seen the customary initials of the 3 guys....did I miss that??  As for as the sporter and his teeny little tallwacker......I nearly fell off my chair....LOL....between no thingie, no balls and shaving he looks like something from a freak show...he is sure proud of his tater tot!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 03:32:13 PM
I have seen that type of rope used for water skiing also. What I can't understand is why he was naked? I can't see anyone doing any type of watersport nude.

Whew...y'all have been busy!! Destiny you got the magic touch!!  Klaas I saw the pictures of your house....WOW....did y'all do the  pergo yourself??  The pictures of the dead man are disturbing.....it shows what little respect aruba has for human life.....was this man weighted down and the rope broke? was he drug behind a boat via the rope? NOPE...he commited suicide...come on it's Aruba!!!  Re: the woman who was raped...I hope she has a support system that will allow her to go through with the prosecution of these three 'beach bums'?  I still haven't seen the customary initials of the 3 guys....did I miss that??  As for as the sporter and his teeny little tallwacker......I nearly fell off my chair....LOL....between no thingie, no balls and shaving he looks like something from a freak show...he is sure proud of his tater tot!!!!!


Hey Sunny!!!!
Hope you are feeling well!! Don't forget we have a lunch date Friday!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: carpe noctem on June 17, 2008, 03:32:45 PM
Some info posted on the FP earlier by EURobert from the Netherlands.


Translation: Dutch » English
       The West Indies… Mafia within the Kingdom?
Thursday, June 12, 2008

Opening Geert Wilders press conference on corruption in the Antilles:
The PVV group presents today the initiative note of Mr Brinkman about corruption at the Antilles. It is a beautiful piece that he himself will explain to you.

From my first hand a few words. The group wants PVV-as you know has long been out of the Antillean boevenbende. The Dutch Antilles cost the taxpayer billions of euros that we prefer to care in the Netherlands spend.

We want that among other things because of the bad governance at the Antilles. Was the West Indies another land where we had to help OS than had even Bert Koenders such assistance.

Corruption and nepotism eats away at the credibility of any government and any administration anywhere in the world. It corrupts every society in the capillaries.
It is a malignant tumor that a society slowly but surely opvreet. The only reason that the dying Antillean administrative not die after death is the golden infusion full of euros from the Netherlands.

It is shocking that there is not always acted against corruption and cronyism, messages that have not been investigated and that the Dutch political elite cowardly looked the other way around and looks.

My colleague Brinkman with a initiatiefnota the present we now have contributed to what it's all transparent. Pakken full of reports about corruption, he has to be taken and pooled. Brinkman has thus made important research and yet only a tip of the iceberg taken upstairs to his own words to use,

The memorandum of Brinkman deserves to be taken very seriously. The Court should investigate all reports of corruption and cronyism. There is no other choice, it is our taxpayers' money. And if the investigation reveals that some people indeed corrupt behavior than they have shown them to be punished.

Transparency and accountability, that is to us.



-end



link:

http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1123&Itemid=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 03:43:54 PM
I have seen that type of rope used for water skiing also. What I can't understand is why he was naked? I can't see anyone doing any type of watersport nude.

Whew...y'all have been busy!! Destiny you got the magic touch!!  Klaas I saw the pictures of your house....WOW....did y'all do the  pergo yourself??  The pictures of the dead man are disturbing.....it shows what little respect aruba has for human life.....was this man weighted down and the rope broke? was he drug behind a boat via the rope? NOPE...he commited suicide...come on it's Aruba!!!  Re: the woman who was raped...I hope she has a support system that will allow her to go through with the prosecution of these three 'beach bums'?  I still haven't seen the customary initials of the 3 guys....did I miss that??  As for as the sporter and his teeny little tallwacker......I nearly fell off my chair....LOL....between no thingie, no balls and shaving he looks like something from a freak show...he is sure proud of his tater tot!!!!!


Hey Sunny!!!!
Hope you are feeling well!! Don't forget we have a lunch date Friday!!!

Hi Lisa...I am feeling GOOD!  I just sent you an email about Friday ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Pita on June 17, 2008, 03:55:39 PM

Balcony at C&C's


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/CNCS.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 04:48:21 PM
not totally sure what is going on here

www.24ora.com

Otro curpa ta wordo haya na costa

Diamars atardi na costa di Aruba despues cu ayera a haja un curpa sin bida ta drief a bin encontra un otro curpa. Nos por compronde cu tin 3 persona Colombiano cu ta perdi di cual probablemente un di nan ta e curpa cu a wordo haja ayera. Un rato paso un otro curpa sin bida a wordo senala den e sercania cu e curpa di ayera a wordo encontra.

++++++++

this afternoon at the coast of Aruba - - - - a corpse was found at - - - (group??) found the corspe.

3 Colombian persons (assaulted?) the corpse.

I'm not sure if this is yesterday's corspe or a new corpse - I think this is new...it's breaking news.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
I'm not clicking on any links for fear it will be graphic pics.   ::MonkeyShocked:: 

*******, Dayhiker, rape victims don't often seek media attention, but I agree with both of you that a payoff might happen. 


 ::MonkeyShocked::   Do you think it's possible that unscrupulous American tourist females or their families might be faking gang rapes to bleed Aruba dry?  I wonder who's budget that might come out of?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 04:50:44 PM
——BREAKING NEWS————
AUTORIDAD A HAYA OTRO CURPA NA COSTA NORTE UN POCO MAS PABAO CU AYERA

++++++++++++

authorities have a corpse at the North coast of Aruba

awe24

Edit:  Removed direct link as this is another horribly graphic photo.  This is another body found not the same as yesterday.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 04:53:40 PM
well, it is Juni on Aruba too...

otherwise known as the month where people get killed, decapitated, machete'd, disappeared, fish trapped, overdosed, and abandoned at sea.

all so typical.

I hate Aruba  :smt098


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 04:54:49 PM
Quote
Tourism and the media
 
Tuesday June 17 2008

Over the last few years there has been an upsurge in criminal activity in the country and this, of course, has led to an almost equal response from the media with respect to coverage of such events, that contest for time and space with stories related to natural and man-made disasters.

Crime news sells a tremendous number of newspapers and boosts the listening and viewing audience figures of the electronic media because naturally people react a little more vigorously to anything that would have adverse consequences on human life, as is the case with crime. It would, therefore, stand to reason that media practitioners respond to this natural demand by chasing after crime news and seeking to present such in timeliest fashion.

Over the weekend, there was much discussion on whether or not the media takes the matter of crime reporting too far. Further, it was suggested in some quarters that the approach to crime news by the local media does more harm than good to the tourism industry, resulting in appeals by some to tone down the reporting of criminal activities since too many may very well deter potential visitors.

(snip)

 It is all well and good to say that if tourists are given a steady diet of crime news from this country, they will naturally seek other destinations that offer more of a crime free setting.

Now, as we say that, we are wondering where are the destinations that can truly boast of a squeaky clean image as far as escalating crime is concerned. The tourists will always roam as this is what they do best – seek out new destinations with new experiences, new cultures. We believe what they would love to know is exactly what they might be faced with as they go about trying to enjoy their travels.

We believe this means a tourist could well know a destination has more than its fair share of crime and prepare accordingly. If they recognise that a particular area in the north of the island has a checkered crime history they would exercise great caution if they find it necessary to visit the area.

They might choose to go in groups or forget about the night setting in the area. In fact, they might choose not to make that area a part of their itinerary at all. If one knows about a situation, one is better able to plan properly to avoid negative fallout.

The tourism officials seem to be thinking dollars and cents rather than lives saved through visitors’ awareness of their surroundings. The Holloway case in Aruba should be enough to tell us what one life lost through the lack of awareness can do to a destination. Having said that, though, none in the media will pretend he/she does not understand the critical importance of positive news to the tourism industry.

Tourism officials need to assist in this area, however, rather than the journalist having to ferret out that positive tourism news.
(snip)

http://sunstkitts.com/paper/?asknw=view&asknw=view,view,view,view&sun=494418078207132005&an=192627117106172008&ac=Opinion


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 04:55:55 PM
THIS IS A NEW CORPSE

DO NOT CLICK THE AWE 24 LINK IF YOU ARE EASILY DISGUSTED.

Klaas please remove that link. TIA


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 04:57:22 PM
——BREAKING NEWS————
AUTORIDAD A HAYA OTRO CURPA NA COSTA NORTE UN POCO MAS PABAO CU AYERA

++++++++++++

authorities have a corpse at the North coast of Aruba

http://awe24.com/

Rob is this a different guy?  not the kekkid one?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:01:36 PM
——BREAKING NEWS————
AUTORIDAD A HAYA OTRO CURPA NA COSTA NORTE UN POCO MAS PABAO CU AYERA

++++++++++++

authorities have a corpse at the North coast of Aruba

http://awe24.com/

Rob is this a different guy?  not the kekkid one?

Hi Sunny, yes, this is a new one. I think the article might say there are three Colombians - this could / would make two, if that's what it indeed implies. I also see that the first guy has still not been identified.

This new corpse has some funky body art also.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspetattoo2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:01:45 PM
THIS IS A NEW CORPSE

DO NOT CLICK THE AWE 24 LINK IF YOU ARE EASILY DISGUSTED.

Klaas please remove that link. TIA

eeekkkk thanks for the warning....I almost clicked on it ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:03:23 PM
——BREAKING NEWS————
AUTORIDAD A HAYA OTRO CURPA NA COSTA NORTE UN POCO MAS PABAO CU AYERA

++++++++++++

authorities have a corpse at the North coast of Aruba

http://awe24.com/

Rob is this a different guy?  not the kekkid one?

Hi Sunny, yes, this is a new one. I think the article might say there are three Colombians - this could / would make two, if that's what it indeed implies. I also see that the first guy has still not been identified.

This new corpse has some funky body art also.
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspetattoo2.jpg)
Dayam!!  3??? so there is another corpse laying around someplace?? Columbias spell drugs to me....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:04:23 PM
maybe this is part of Rudy Croes' deportation program he was yappin' about the other day.

you remember his famous - planes, trains, automobiles and rocketships speech from the other day???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 05:05:13 PM
Is there an upsurge in bodies, reporting the bodies found, or some other circumstance going on here?

I think if Natalee was at the beach, her body would have shown up, and someone would have found it.

Just speculating, maybe someone found a body and disappeared it for a second time...Stanley Z. style...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:06:05 PM
THIS IS A NEW CORPSE

DO NOT CLICK THE AWE 24 LINK IF YOU ARE EASILY DISGUSTED.

Klaas please remove that link. TIA

eeekkkk thanks for the warning....I almost clicked on it ::MonkeyShocked::

so sorry Sunny, when I posted the link - it was just breaking news, and when I clicked back to see if there was an update - the pics were already there. sorry again..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:09:39 PM
Is there an upsurge in bodies, reporting the bodies found, or some other circumstance going on here?

I think if Natalee was at the beach, her body would have shown up, and someone would have found it.

Just speculating, maybe someone found a body and disappeared it for a second time...Stanley Z. style...

This has to be what happened....

look at who washes up.

Colombians, Venezuelans, and what they perceive the riff raff of the Caribbean.

who doesn't wash up?

Americans and Arubans

Buddy Larson,
Max,
Gary Makings,
Natalee,
Mr Jose Tromp,
etc.

They must have had Natalee - there is no other excuse - and the fact they they won't help tells me they know she is not in the ocean.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 05:13:17 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:17:42 PM
I see lard arse made it to work for the second day in a row.. and he's up on his customary perch.

He's probably gonna get a certificate if he shows up tomorrow marking three days in a row.. ya know - that's a record ovah at the ALE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20083.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:20:52 PM
THIS IS A NEW CORPSE

DO NOT CLICK THE AWE 24 LINK IF YOU ARE EASILY DISGUSTED.

Klaas please remove that link. TIA

eeekkkk thanks for the warning....I almost clicked on it ::MonkeyShocked::

so sorry Sunny, when I posted the link - it was just breaking news, and when I clicked back to see if there was an update - the pics were already there. sorry again..

No problem Rob...I saw your warning before I clicked on it ::MonkeyDance::....I don't know why, but I am continually amazed at the terrible, graphic photos posted ibyCaribbean newspapers.....absolutely no regard for the deceased and certainly no regard for loved ones of the deceased....just a sick mentality I guess...eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:24:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 05:28:34 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??

 ::MonkeyCool::

#1  That this is another corpse, not the same as yesterday
#2  That it might have something to do with 3 Columbians


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:32:17 PM
ok... look at this

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20085.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this is just tooootttallly ridiculous. Like that statement made by the guy is going to be taken seriously. That is going in the garbage as fast as you can say FOOK ARUBA  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 05:34:27 PM
Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:35:34 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??

 ::MonkeyCool::

#1  That this is another corpse, not the same as yesterday
#2  That it might have something to do with 3 Columbians

thanks......all those words when you could say it much more simply  ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDance::  so there is one more corpse laying around someplace in aruba....GOD help the tourists!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on June 17, 2008, 05:36:54 PM
I see lard arse made it to work for the second day in a row.. and he's up on his customary perch.

He's probably gonna get a certificate if he shows up tomorrow marking three days in a row.. ya know - that's a record ovah at the ALE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20083.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: He'd never make it off his perch and down to the action.  No one down there would want to help him back up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:38:07 PM
ok... look at this


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this is just tooootttallly ridiculous. Like that statement made by the guy is going to be taken seriously. That is going in the garbage as fast as you can say FOOK ARUBA  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

naawwwww thaey got a picture of the guy giving his statment...but you gotta know it will not be the same story when they get through 'translating it' ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 05:38:32 PM
I see lard arse made it to work for the second day in a row.. and he's up on his customary perch.

He's probably gonna get a certificate if he shows up tomorrow marking three days in a row.. ya know - that's a record ovah at the ALE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20083.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: He'd never make it off his perch and down to the action.  No one down there would want to help him back up.

I can't believe that fat fock is still on the police force??!!! Thought he retired!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 05:39:52 PM
ok... look at this

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20085.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this is just tooootttallly ridiculous. Like that statement made by the guy is going to be taken seriously. That is going in the garbage as fast as you can say FOOK ARUBA  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

roflmao!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 17, 2008, 05:40:41 PM
I see lard arse made it to work for the second day in a row.. and he's up on his customary perch.

He's probably gonna get a certificate if he shows up tomorrow marking three days in a row.. ya know - that's a record ovah at the ALE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20083.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: He'd never make it off his perch and down to the action.  No one down there would want to help him back up.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  they could roll him down...but would need a fork lift to get him back up...errrrr a note to all:  Diet coke will ruin your keyboard.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 05:41:44 PM
I see lard arse made it to work for the second day in a row.. and he's up on his customary perch.

He's probably gonna get a certificate if he shows up tomorrow marking three days in a row.. ya know - that's a record ovah at the ALE  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20083.jpg)

roflmao...YET AGAIN!!!! You are just a hoot today Rob!!! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Blonde on June 17, 2008, 05:44:09 PM
——BREAKING NEWS————
AUTORIDAD A HAYA OTRO CURPA NA COSTA NORTE UN POCO MAS PABAO CU AYERA

++++++++++++

authorities have a corpse at the North coast of Aruba

awe24

Edit:  Removed direct link as this is another horribly graphic photo.  This is another body found not the same as yesterday.

 Yes, is that a tatoo on his left arm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 05:46:24 PM
Is there an upsurge in bodies, reporting the bodies found, or some other circumstance going on here?

I think if Natalee was at the beach, her body would have shown up, and someone would have found it.

Just speculating, maybe someone found a body and disappeared it for a second time...Stanley Z. style...

This has to be what happened....

look at who washes up.

Colombians, Venezuelans, and what they perceive the riff raff of the Caribbean.

who doesn't wash up?

Americans and Arubans

Buddy Larson,
Max,
Gary Makings,
Natalee,
Mr Jose Tromp,
etc.

They must have had Natalee - there is no other excuse - and the fact they they won't help tells me they know she is not in the ocean.


The good news...if you are American or Aruban, your dead body may never make the front page of any media if you disappear on or near Aruba...and make your way "back to the beach".

However, if you are a potential crime victim, the media may photograph you, and your pictures (or that of a family member) may be published on the internet.

jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:47:27 PM
This image is from this morning's chollar joy ride / ALE pursuit - that ended in a crash.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/chollarjoyrides1.jpg)

I must have have noticed this at first  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I only saw it when I enlarged the image  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ALECOP1KICKME.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 05:49:00 PM
Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:49:14 PM
excuse my typos... I'm laffin' so hard at these morons.  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
This image is from this morning's chollar joy ride / ALE pursuit - that ended in a crash.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/chollarjoyrides1.jpg)

I must have have noticed this at first  ::MonkeyHaHa:: I only saw it when I enlarged the image  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/ALECOP1KICKME.jpg)


ok. STOP IT!!!! too much laughter for one day!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 05:51:27 PM
Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!

You and your little guy are both amazing!  How long of a drive is it for you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 05:53:34 PM
I can't believe that fat fock is still on the police force??!!! Thought he retired!!!

This hasss to be a different fat f00k!!! it just has to be... this broken down jalopy probably drives the white van and will be very very busy this month. He's the only guy on Aruba that can NOT go on vacation during the months of June, July and August. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 06:01:20 PM
Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: LilPuma on June 17, 2008, 06:07:09 PM
Is there an upsurge in bodies, reporting the bodies found, or some other circumstance going on here?

I think if Natalee was at the beach, her body would have shown up, and someone would have found it.

Just speculating, maybe someone found a body and disappeared it for a second time...Stanley Z. style...

This has to be what happened....

look at who washes up.

Colombians, Venezuelans, and what they perceive the riff raff of the Caribbean.

who doesn't wash up?

Americans and Arubans

Buddy Larson,
Max,
Gary Makings,
Natalee,
Mr Jose Tromp,
etc.

They must have had Natalee - there is no other excuse - and the fact they they won't help tells me they know she is not in the ocean.


Holy guacamole, Batman!  That's right.  While do only South Americans wash up on the beach, whereas others missing haven't? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Rob on June 17, 2008, 06:11:20 PM
Lil Puma - according to Travis Makings - Gary's son - he was scuba diving. So where is he?

He was told Gary WAS IN THE WATER.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: ldstlou on June 17, 2008, 06:12:36 PM
Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!

You and your little guy are both amazing!  How long of a drive is it for you?

13 hours!!!! YUCK!!!! lol

Here's the thing, the Race For The Cure makes me think of my mother...greatest woman in the world!!! ALWAYS!!! stood up for the underdog and what she believed in!!!
But she passed at 49 of cancer...I am 43. Now I am not planning on checking out anytime soon!!! lol But life is just so damned short...even if you live to be 100!!! Just too darned short!!!!
This is a great lesson for my 20 year old stepsister, great lesson for my little man...and a great cause!!! Women are getting hurt in Aruba and bodies are floating ashore. What is one weekend out of my life for a great cause!!!!

Love ya Monkeys!!! Pray it all comes together for me and I can "walk" after the "race"!!!! lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 17, 2008, 06:21:36 PM


I think they  payed the 3 girls  to say nothing about the rape!
That is the Aruban &  vd Sloot Style

I wonder what their silence cost them besides their dignity.  IMO they made a pact with the Devil.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: sandy leiva on June 17, 2008, 06:33:21 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


This is saying that at nightfall on the coast another lifeless body was found drifting along side another body (2 more bodies in addition to the first found yesterday) It says we believe these bodies to be of 3 columbian persons. Perhaps one of the gruop found yesterday belong to this group. Corpses had no sign of life. come across. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 17, 2008, 06:33:44 PM


Karen Theresa Paulina
Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/karenjoransfriend.jpg)
PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

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What the heck kind of drugs did Joran do that night that Freddy became Fernando?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 06:36:57 PM
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Someone reminded me of this passage.  Is there a "king of the ocean" somewhere? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: SunFreak2 on June 17, 2008, 06:39:39 PM
I have seen that type of rope used for water skiing also. What I can't understand is why he was naked? I can't see anyone doing any type of watersport nude.

Could be he took off his clothes as they were weighing him down, instead of taking them off, putting air in them and then tying them off to use as buoys. Who knows why he was nude, why he was even in the water?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 17, 2008, 06:40:03 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


This is saying that at nightfall on the coast another lifeless body was found drifting along side another body (2 more bodies in addition to the first found yesterday) It says we believe these bodies to be of 3 columbian persons. Perhaps one of the gruop found yesterday belong to this group. Corpses had no sign of life. come across. 

thank you much, sandy.  anything said about why they think they're colombian or why these 2 are both naked?
dennisintn


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: msmarple on June 17, 2008, 06:51:34 PM
Hey Monkeys!!!

The guilt and latest rapes are getting the better of me!!! Plus my 20 year old step sister is staying the summer with me and all gung-ho about Natalee's cause and protesting. Call me crazy...everyone else does!!! lol but we are really thinking about driving up after the Race for the Cure and getting there Sunday for the protest.

Anyone else want a ride up if we go? Gotta find out the details on hotel and such. Gotta do a map quest...I totally forget how far it is!!! lol Gotta get out of an open house Sunday and my stepsister has to try and get off work too. It's a long shot, but if we can pull it off...anyone else want us to pick you up on the way??!!

update...little Monkey of mine is game for the protest...had to talk to him too...he'll miss a day of baseball camp. I am trying my hardest to pull it off guys!!!
But the little guy says he is game for a road trip!!!


ldstlou - Oh, I so hope you can go. To my knowledge, Vicki is the ONLY ONE planning to ... please let her know ASAP.

Quote
Here is what I've been posting re. the event; links might be helpful  --

The whole Caribbean will be at the International Trade Center, Ronald Reagan Bldg, Washington DC - JUNE 21 - 24, 2008.

Dr. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, will deliver the keynote address.

Despite a promising beginning, at the moment, only Vicki is planning to go. Bless Vicki! But --

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE to REPRESENT NATALEE HOLLOWAY at this event.

Link to Annual Caribbean Travel Summit (ACTS) info:
http://www.actsdc.com/index.html (http://www.actsdc.com/index.html)

Link to SM thread about this event:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2778.0)

Please email Vicki at justicefornatalee@gmail.com if you can participate. Great time for a visit to DC!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on June 17, 2008, 06:54:23 PM
I remember the fabric that looked like Natalee's shirt.  Perhaps in the water, sometimes clothing comes off all by itself and floats away?

Strings untie, and t-shirts get wet and stretch?  Maybe float away?  Pants too?

IIRC, a mod from W/S was found in the water and she was missing a top. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: sandy leiva on June 17, 2008, 06:56:24 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments

Through translator:

another curpa is wordo achieve at costa

 local tuesday, 17 june 2008 - 15:46 tuesday

 nightfall at costa of aruba after cu yesterday owing to haja one curpa without life is drief owing to come encontra one another curpa. we can compronde cu have 3 person colombiano cu is perdi of cual probably one of they're the curpa cu owing to wordo haja yesterday. one rato pace one another curpa without life owing to wordo senala in the sercania cu the curpa of yesterday owing to wordo encontra. come across

LOL...I get no more outta the translations than I do the original text....any idea, in English, what this says...kinda sorta??


This is saying that at nightfall on the coast another lifeless body was found drifting along side another body (2 more bodies in addition to the first found yesterday) It says we believe these bodies to be of 3 columbian persons. Perhaps one of the gruop found yesterday belong to this group. Corpses had no sign of life. come across. 

thank you much, sandy.  anything said about why they think they're colombian or why these 2 are both naked?
dennisintn

No nothing as to why they think they are columbian,  but didnt we read about fast boat sizure where 3 colombian jump overboard to get to shore. Maybe these guys or maybe more b/s from the arubans.  I wonder why naked unless they removed clothing that  weighed them down.  But the 2 shown have distinctive tatoos.  Not sure if the photo of the one with the leg bone stivking out is the third guy or the guy with the scorpion tatoo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: wreck on June 17, 2008, 06:57:47 PM
There was a black Jeep found abandoned near the ocean about a week or so back -- any relation to these bodies?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 07:13:50 PM

Balcony at C&C's


(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/CMPM/CNCS.jpg)
WOW!
Thanks Pita,I have never seen that balcony or just never noticed it before.So they actually let people up there with drinking and all.....that's just asking for a accident.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 07:22:10 PM
ok... look at this

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/corspe6-17-20085.jpg)

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: this is just tooootttallly ridiculous. Like that statement made by the guy is going to be taken seriously. That is going in the garbage as fast as you can say FOOK ARUBA  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
LOL....the guy with the visibility team hat on to the left in this pic looks a little like steve croes.I wouldn't be surprised at that at all! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: kippy on June 17, 2008, 07:22:53 PM
Is the place the bodies were found near each other?  Were either found near the painted rocks area?  IIRC wasn't the painting of the rocks with 2 weeks of Natalee disappearing? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Pita on June 17, 2008, 07:26:00 PM
Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?

Scorpion on his neck
(http://i14.tinypic.com/62oimab.jpg)


Tattoo on his arm
(http://i13.tinypic.com/6bdg103.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 07:26:48 PM
What happened to Rene'e Gielens big documentary on Natalee Holloway that came out two weeks ago?  Did everyone just laugh in her face when she tried to find takers? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Or did they just shake there head at her?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 07:33:21 PM
Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?

Scorpion on his neck
(http://i14.tinypic.com/62oimab.jpg)


Tattoo on his arm
(http://i13.tinypic.com/6bdg103.jpg)



Wow, thanks Pita!  So is there a drug significance to the scorpion?  Anyone know?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 07:50:02 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


I imagine that Joran van der Sloot's defence was behind the reason that Karin Janssen did not comply with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request to turn over the Natalee Holloway case file to the FBI.  David Kock's motion to prevent documents/audio/evidence ...

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++

Aruba PM: Give FBI documents on missing teen U.S. agency has been assisting in investigation but without access to papers
Associated Press July 22, Updated: 8:58 p.m. ET July 22, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba’s prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen that the bureau be allowed “complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows.”

FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the 6-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.

FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.

Trapenberg said Janssen had not yet responded to the government’s request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672318/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184


Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing."  he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


TWITTY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t know, you know, as this case has gone and how frustrating it`s been and how little information we`re allowed to get, and even now, with the FBI not even able to receive a single piece of evidence. So we`ll just have to try.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html

 
Harris Faulkner
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR": Well, you know, Nancy, the biggest news so far has been our exclusive interview with Joran Van Der Sloot, and that is something that Natalee`s mom had said all along that she wanted to see words from Joran. So as soon as we got that tape, we showed it to Beth. And you know, I have to say, in the watching it -- and I know you guys here have watched it on your show -- there are so many nuances in that tape and so many things that pop up that Beth then reacted to that gave us new information.

For instance, I never knew until talking with Beth this week that the FBI was never given a single document, audio or visual, in this case. And now we`ve confirmed that, and I know you have done so, too. All along, we had thought this summer, you know, maybe they were being held at bay because of Dutch or Aruban law. And then we saw the Aruban prime minister about a month ago come out and say, FBI, come on in, inviting them in, I thought in a more substantive manner. Maybe we all thought that, too. But when Beth told me, sure, there was a Dutch official who flew from Holland all the way to Quantico to share information, but didn`t leave a single thing in the hands of the FBI.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html


Defense attorneys want FBI out of Aruba
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (10 Aug 2005) -- Defense lawyers on Wednesday appealed a judge's ruling that Aruban authorities could share information with the FBI about missing teen Natalee Holloway.

Last week, a judge struck down a motion by the defense to prohibit file sharing with the American law enforcement agency, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.

"It's not a question of having something to hide but about the legality of their (FBI) involvement,"  said defense lawyer David Kock.

Kock, one of three lawyers who argued the appeal Wednesday in a closed court session, said a decision was expected Monday.

FBI agents have been on the Dutch Caribbean island as observers since Holloway disappeared May 30. They were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister.

Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained in the disappearance, and two Surinamese brothers have argued the FBI didn't have jurisdiction and shouldn't have access to the investigation.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050810a.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on June 17, 2008, 08:13:53 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


I imagine that Joran van der Sloot's defence was behind the reason that Karin Janssen did not comply with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request to turn over the Natalee Holloway case file to the FBI.  David Kock's motion to prevent documents/audio/evidence ...

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++

Aruba PM: Give FBI documents on missing teen U.S. agency has been assisting in investigation but without access to papers
Associated Press July 22, Updated: 8:58 p.m. ET July 22, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba’s prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen that the bureau be allowed “complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows.”

FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the 6-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.

FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.

Trapenberg said Janssen had not yet responded to the government’s request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672318/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184


Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing."  he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


TWITTY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t know, you know, as this case has gone and how frustrating it`s been and how little information we`re allowed to get, and even now, with the FBI not even able to receive a single piece of evidence. So we`ll just have to try.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html

 
Harris Faulkner
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR": Well, you know, Nancy, the biggest news so far has been our exclusive interview with Joran Van Der Sloot, and that is something that Natalee`s mom had said all along that she wanted to see words from Joran. So as soon as we got that tape, we showed it to Beth. And you know, I have to say, in the watching it -- and I know you guys here have watched it on your show -- there are so many nuances in that tape and so many things that pop up that Beth then reacted to that gave us new information.

For instance, I never knew until talking with Beth this week that the FBI was never given a single document, audio or visual, in this case. And now we`ve confirmed that, and I know you have done so, too. All along, we had thought this summer, you know, maybe they were being held at bay because of Dutch or Aruban law. And then we saw the Aruban prime minister about a month ago come out and say, FBI, come on in, inviting them in, I thought in a more substantive manner. Maybe we all thought that, too. But when Beth told me, sure, there was a Dutch official who flew from Holland all the way to Quantico to share information, but didn`t leave a single thing in the hands of the FBI.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html


Defense attorneys want FBI out of Aruba
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (10 Aug 2005) -- Defense lawyers on Wednesday appealed a judge's ruling that Aruban authorities could share information with the FBI about missing teen Natalee Holloway.

Last week, a judge struck down a motion by the defense to prohibit file sharing with the American law enforcement agency, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.

"It's not a question of having something to hide but about the legality of their (FBI) involvement,"  said defense lawyer David Kock.

Kock, one of three lawyers who argued the appeal Wednesday in a closed court session, said a decision was expected Monday.

FBI agents have been on the Dutch Caribbean island as observers since Holloway disappeared May 30. They were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister.

Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained in the disappearance, and two Surinamese brothers have argued the FBI didn't have jurisdiction and shouldn't have access to the investigation.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050810a.html
Thank you Janet
When it's all said and done the FBI never did get access to any of those files and that's a shame.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Observer on June 17, 2008, 08:58:13 PM
Is that Dennis Jacobs?
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8238/jacobswb0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/5107/5/#jc_allComments


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: dennisintn on June 17, 2008, 08:58:34 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


I imagine that Joran van der Sloot's defence was behind the reason that Karin Janssen did not comply with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request to turn over the Natalee Holloway case file to the FBI.  David Kock's motion to prevent documents/audio/evidence ...

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++

Aruba PM: Give FBI documents on missing teen U.S. agency has been assisting in investigation but without access to papers
Associated Press July 22, Updated: 8:58 p.m. ET July 22, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba’s prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen that the bureau be allowed “complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows.”

FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the 6-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.

FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.

Trapenberg said Janssen had not yet responded to the government’s request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672318/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184


Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing."  he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


TWITTY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t know, you know, as this case has gone and how frustrating it`s been and how little information we`re allowed to get, and even now, with the FBI not even able to receive a single piece of evidence. So we`ll just have to try.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html

 
Harris Faulkner
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR": Well, you know, Nancy, the biggest news so far has been our exclusive interview with Joran Van Der Sloot, and that is something that Natalee`s mom had said all along that she wanted to see words from Joran. So as soon as we got that tape, we showed it to Beth. And you know, I have to say, in the watching it -- and I know you guys here have watched it on your show -- there are so many nuances in that tape and so many things that pop up that Beth then reacted to that gave us new information.

For instance, I never knew until talking with Beth this week that the FBI was never given a single document, audio or visual, in this case. And now we`ve confirmed that, and I know you have done so, too. All along, we had thought this summer, you know, maybe they were being held at bay because of Dutch or Aruban law. And then we saw the Aruban prime minister about a month ago come out and say, FBI, come on in, inviting them in, I thought in a more substantive manner. Maybe we all thought that, too. But when Beth told me, sure, there was a Dutch official who flew from Holland all the way to Quantico to share information, but didn`t leave a single thing in the hands of the FBI.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html


Defense attorneys want FBI out of Aruba
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (10 Aug 2005) -- Defense lawyers on Wednesday appealed a judge's ruling that Aruban authorities could share information with the FBI about missing teen Natalee Holloway.

Last week, a judge struck down a motion by the defense to prohibit file sharing with the American law enforcement agency, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.

"It's not a question of having something to hide but about the legality of their (FBI) involvement,"  said defense lawyer David Kock.

Kock, one of three lawyers who argued the appeal Wednesday in a closed court session, said a decision was expected Monday.

FBI agents have been on the Dutch Caribbean island as observers since Holloway disappeared May 30. They were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister.

Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained in the disappearance, and two Surinamese brothers have argued the FBI didn't have jurisdiction and shouldn't have access to the investigation.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050810a.html

it's amazing how much chunky and friends conveniently forget when they're trying to make official aruba into something it definitely isn't.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:00:26 PM
Is the place the bodies were found near each other?  Were either found near the painted rocks area?  IIRC wasn't the painting of the rocks with 2 weeks of Natalee disappearing? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi Kippy and Cage Mates...just taking a coffee break...and logging in for a few...I think the 3 columbians that were mentioned in the big bust on the speed boat...the bust where the police said the 3 men on the boat jumped overboard..and swam to shore...it's just a bunch of horse puckey...that story don't fly with me...why didn't the police just pick them up out of the water...huh?...surely the police in their boat could move faster than 3 dudes swimming!

What I think happened, is the police...did get the 3 guys...removed all their clothing..weighted them down with something...and tossed them over the side...now the 3 guys are starting to bloat...break away from their weights...and head to shore....2 down...one to go..or come...whatever....

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:04:53 PM
Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?

Scorpion on his neck
(http://i14.tinypic.com/62oimab.jpg)


Tattoo on his arm
(http://i13.tinypic.com/6bdg103.jpg)



Great Work Pita!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 09:06:10 PM
Flight cuts may hurt Caribbean tourism

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080616/ap_tr_ge/travel_caribbean_tourism_woes

Story from UK: Muslim terrorists planned to attack cruise ship in Caribbean

http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=wills-terror-attack&method=full&objectid=20607595&siteid=93463-name_page.html


Thanks *******, just posted a piece of that flight cutbacks article.

But can you imagine what a terrorist attack on a cruise ship would do? Holy cow!


What happened during the hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985?

On October 7, 1985 four heavily armed terrorists representing the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF) hijacked the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro, with some 100 mostly elderly passengers on board, in Egyptian waters. The hijackers demanded that Israel free 50 Palestinian prisoners, and to prove their determination, they shot and killed a disabled American tourist, 69-year-old Leon Klinghoffer, and threw his body overboard with his wheelchair. After a two-day drama, the Egyptian government, unaware that Klinghoffer had been murdered, provided the hijackers with safe passage in exchange for freeing the ship and its passengers.

Once the murder had been discovered, US Navy F-14 fighters intercepted an Egypt Air 737 airliner flying the hijackers to freedom in Tunisia and forced it to land in Sicily. The terrorists were taken into custody by Italian authorities, were tried and convicted to long prison terms.

More ....
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_achille_lauro.php




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:09:25 PM
Are there any good pictures of tattoos from Lorenzo VR's group?  The one's that were arrested awhile ago?

Scorpion on his neck
(http://i14.tinypic.com/62oimab.jpg)


Tattoo on his arm
(http://i13.tinypic.com/6bdg103.jpg)



Wow, thanks Pita!  So is there a drug significance to the scorpion?  Anyone know?

Found this on a google search...didn't download it though....

[PDF]
Gazette - gangs2.qxp
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
States to Canada as part of an international drug smuggling ring. CFSEU-BC and BCIGTF investigators ... Scorpion tattoos like this one help identify ...
www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/gazette/vol70no2/gazette_vol70no2_e.pdf - Similar pages


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 09:14:36 PM
Destiny - thanks, looks like the name of a Canadian gang "Scorpion Brothers":

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/ScorpionTattoo.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 09:18:54 PM
Looks like I'm having photobucket problems again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:23:20 PM
This one is interesting...

Colombia Marvels at Drug Kingpin: A Chain-Saw Killer, Too? - New ...
Today, Mr. Loaiza's scorpion brand can be found on his 5000 head of cattle, on his Colombian walking horses, and on the bottom of his swimming pool at one ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE5D61039F932A15755C0A963958260 - 44k - Cached - Similar pages
Office of National


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: distortion on June 17, 2008, 09:26:29 PM
 po lil scorpion is just a symbol of darkness and a popular tattoo dat represents danger and power    makes some feel important   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: distortion on June 17, 2008, 09:28:05 PM
might also be the dude's zodiac sign


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 09:28:54 PM
This one is interesting...

Colombia Marvels at Drug Kingpin: A Chain-Saw Killer, Too? - New ...
Today, Mr. Loaiza's scorpion brand can be found on his 5000 head of cattle, on his Colombian walking horses, and on the bottom of his swimming pool at one ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE5D61039F932A15755C0A963958260 - 44k - Cached - Similar pages
Office of National

Yes, from 1995:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE0D8173FF933A15755C0A963958260

World News Briefs; A Drug Cartel Leader Surrenders in Colombia

 Published: June 20, 1995

A leader of the Cali drug cartel, accused of involvement in several massacres, surrendered to the authorities here on Monday.

The trafficker, Henry Loaiza, known as the Scorpion, is considered to be a hard-line cartel member who had wanted to respond to police pressure on the cartel with violent revenge attacks.
 (snipped)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 09:31:42 PM
Destiny - thanks, looks like the name of a Canadian  gang "Scorpion Brothers":

<snipped>


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Say it isn't so.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 09:32:24 PM
What happened to Rene'e Gielens big documentary on Natalee Holloway that came out two weeks ago?  Did everyone just laugh in her face when she tried to find takers? ::MonkeyHaHa:: Or did they just shake there head at her?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


It premiered at the Cans festival over a case of beer and six interested friends, two named Paulus and Anita, on a VCR in her den.

Seriously, good question *******. Does Aruba have a television station? I doubt anyone in Holland or U.S. is interested. All the networks here believe Joran is guilty as sin and wouldn't touch it. I would think Holland would be the same and any network of any salt in either country would get Mos' take on it before airing it. He would, of course, tell them she's a kook.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 17, 2008, 09:37:25 PM
Not in my backyard
Rural responses to gang activity
By Caroline Ross


http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/gazette/vol70no2/gang_rural_e.htm



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 09:37:44 PM
Is the place the bodies were found near each other?  Were either found near the painted rocks area?  IIRC wasn't the painting of the rocks with 2 weeks of Natalee disappearing? ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hi Kippy and Cage Mates...just taking a coffee break...and logging in for a few...I think the 3 columbians that were mentioned in the big bust on the speed boat...the bust where the police said the 3 men on the boat jumped overboard..and swam to shore...it's just a bunch of horse puckey...that story don't fly with me...why didn't the police just pick them up out of the water...huh?...surely the police in their boat could move faster than 3 dudes swimming!

What I think happened, is the police...did get the 3 guys...removed all their clothing..weighted them down with something...and tossed them over the side...now the 3 guys are starting to bloat...break away from their weights...and head to shore....2 down...one to go..or come...whatever....

Destiny


It does have all the hallmarks of a drug hit.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 09:40:59 PM

Tattoo on his arm
(http://i13.tinypic.com/6bdg103.jpg)



Nothing like being inconspicuous. That guy in the back looks fresh out of law school.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:42:20 PM
po lil scorpion is just a symbol of darkness and a popular tattoo dat represents danger and power    makes some feel important   

Right you are Distortion...I haven't met you before...Welcome to the Monkey Cage!

Destiny


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: distortion on June 17, 2008, 09:44:27 PM
po lil scorpion is just a symbol of darkness and a popular tattoo dat represents danger and power    makes some feel important   

Right you are Distortion...I haven't met you before...Welcome to the Monkey Cage!

Destiny

thank you much    i like your name    sounds pretty     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 09:46:25 PM
I DO wonder what Robin thinks of chunky rat now.

charlierat wrote:

Um, the FBI was invited to participate in the investigation. That happened less than a week after Natalee was reported missing.

Rep. Bachus told us in December of 2005 that he was in regular contact with the FBI regarding the progress of the investigation and that he had given the FBI a standing order to inform him if, at any time, they felt that they were being shut out of the investigation and they never (not even once) reported any problems in that regard. If they had been denied access to any portion of the investigation, Bachus' office would have intervened via diplomatic channels. The need never arose.

Even if the FBI was only relegated to observor status, they were still in an ideal position to observe (1) corruption or (2) incompetence if there had been any and there were no such reports. For the record, Rep. Bachus opined that the reason that the FBI had not assumed a larger role in the investigation was because the FBI itself had chosen not to. At the time it sounded to me like Bachus and the FBI had a lot of confidence in ALE.

So, in December 2005, when Rep. Bachus told the world that the investigation on Aruba was "thorough and professional" and that the amount of resources that they had devoted to the case was "astounding," I believe he knew what he was talking about.


I imagine that Joran van der Sloot's defence was behind the reason that Karin Janssen did not comply with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request to turn over the Natalee Holloway case file to the FBI.  David Kock's motion to prevent documents/audio/evidence ...

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++

Aruba PM: Give FBI documents on missing teen U.S. agency has been assisting in investigation but without access to papers
Associated Press July 22, Updated: 8:58 p.m. ET July 22, 2005


ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba’s prime minister has urged investigators to give the FBI all documents related to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, according to a letter released late Friday.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked in the letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen that the bureau be allowed “complete access to the dossier, including transcripts, audio tapes or video registration of interrogations, plus all materials that are connected to this case, in as much as our judicial system allows.”

FBI agents have been advising Aruban authorities in the 6-week-old investigation but have not had access to case records, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.

FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said the FBI has pressed for access to the documents.

Trapenberg said Janssen had not yet responded to the government’s request. The attorney general could not immediately be reached for comment Friday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672318/


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 184


Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing."  he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


TWITTY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t know, you know, as this case has gone and how frustrating it`s been and how little information we`re allowed to get, and even now, with the FBI not even able to receive a single piece of evidence. So we`ll just have to try.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html

 
Harris Faulkner
NANCY GRACE
September 28, 2005


HARRIS FAULKNER, "A CURRENT AFFAIR": Well, you know, Nancy, the biggest news so far has been our exclusive interview with Joran Van Der Sloot, and that is something that Natalee`s mom had said all along that she wanted to see words from Joran. So as soon as we got that tape, we showed it to Beth. And you know, I have to say, in the watching it -- and I know you guys here have watched it on your show -- there are so many nuances in that tape and so many things that pop up that Beth then reacted to that gave us new information.

For instance, I never knew until talking with Beth this week that the FBI was never given a single document, audio or visual, in this case. And now we`ve confirmed that, and I know you have done so, too. All along, we had thought this summer, you know, maybe they were being held at bay because of Dutch or Aruban law. And then we saw the Aruban prime minister about a month ago come out and say, FBI, come on in, inviting them in, I thought in a more substantive manner. Maybe we all thought that, too. But when Beth told me, sure, there was a Dutch official who flew from Holland all the way to Quantico to share information, but didn`t leave a single thing in the hands of the FBI.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/28/ng.01.html


Defense attorneys want FBI out of Aruba
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (10 Aug 2005) -- Defense lawyers on Wednesday appealed a judge's ruling that Aruban authorities could share information with the FBI about missing teen Natalee Holloway.

Last week, a judge struck down a motion by the defense to prohibit file sharing with the American law enforcement agency, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.

"It's not a question of having something to hide but about the legality of their (FBI) involvement,"  said defense lawyer David Kock.

Kock, one of three lawyers who argued the appeal Wednesday in a closed court session, said a decision was expected Monday.

FBI agents have been on the Dutch Caribbean island as observers since Holloway disappeared May 30. They were granted access to material last month at the urging of the Aruban prime minister.

Lawyers for Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teenager who has been detained in the disappearance, and two Surinamese brothers have argued the FBI didn't have jurisdiction and shouldn't have access to the investigation.

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050810a.html

Thank you Janet
When it's all said and done the FBI never did get access to any of those files and that's a shame.


Yep. They can spin it all they want. Bottom line, the FBI got nothing out of Aruba.

BTW, big feature story on ABC News tonight. Affordable airline service will be going the way of the dinosaur, even in the continental U.S., and soon. Forget cheap getaways, they will be a thing of the past unless oil prices plummet. Fat chance.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 09:48:29 PM
po lil scorpion is just a symbol of darkness and a popular tattoo dat represents danger and power    makes some feel important   

Right you are Distortion...I haven't met you before...Welcome to the Monkey Cage!

Destiny

thank you much    i like your name    sounds pretty     


Thank You Distortion ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Noly on June 17, 2008, 09:53:37 PM
Niiice....just the kind of place I'd want to go on vacation to and spend big bucks.


Can you imagine???  telling your kid  'oh don't worry honey...it's just another body washing up'

 :shock:



FOK ARUBA!!   :smt033


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
Niiice....just the kind of place I'd want to go on vacation to and spend big bucks.


Can you imagine???  telling your kid  'oh don't worry honey...it's just another body washing up'

 :shock:



FOK ARUBA!!   :smt033

Yes, I was just thinking the same thing.  If it's not people finding bones on the beach it's bodies washing ashore.  What a great vacation spot  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 10:04:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43408.php

Politie Statia onderzoekt seksueel misbruik
16 Jun, 2008, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Een rechercheur van de technische afdeling van het politiekorps van St. Maarten arriveerde zondag op St. Eustatius om de lokale politie te helpen bij een onderzoek naar een geval van seksueel misbruik.

Politiewoordvoerder Robelto Hodge bevestigt dat er een dergelijk onderzoek loopt, maar wilde niet ingaan op de details, vanwege de gevoeligheid van de zaak en de kleinschaligheid van de samenleving van het eiland. Hij zei dat het onderzoek nog in de beginfase verkeert en dat er nog geen aanhoudingen zijn verricht.

Through translator:

Police investigating sexual abuse Statia
June 16, 2008, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

   
ORANJESTAD - A detective of the technical department of the police force of St. Arrived Sunday on St. Maarten Eustatius to the local police to assist in an investigation into a case of sexual abuse.

Politiewoordvoerder Robelto Hodge confirms that such an investigation ongoing, but did not want to go into the details, because of the sensitivity of the case and the small scale of the society of the island. He said that the investigation is still in its early stages and that no arrests have been made.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Dayhiker on June 17, 2008, 10:14:31 PM
Airfare hikes, capacity cuts start to pinch Las Vegas

By William Spain, MarketWatch
Last update: 2:30 p.m. EDT June 16, 2008

 -- Soaring fuel prices are starting to hit home in Las Vegas as cash-strapped airlines hike fares and cut capacity at McCarran International Airport - Sin City's tourism lifeline - leading to pressure on room rates and lower spending levels by visitors.

US Airways and United are among the carriers curtailing flights to Vegas and there are predictions that total capacity could be down by double-digits percentages or more by autumn, following declines of 3% and 6% in the first and second quarters, respectively. At the same time, the average cost of plane tickets jumped more than 10% in March, according to the Bureau of Labor - and that may pinch even more.

US Airways alone will chop its capacity in half starting in September, reducing it by 7,200 seats a day while eliminating its entire night hub operation based in Las Vegas. Wachovia's Brian McGill estimated that could - taking into account load factors and connecting passengers - reduce by 5%, or 1.9 million people, annually.
That cut was far higher than anticipated, McGill noted, as "previously, we believed that the capacity [cuts] coming out of Las Vegas could be 12% across the entire industry."

But now, "it is quite possible it could eventually be greater than a 15% capacity reduction into Las Vegas."


If it's like this for domestic hotspots like Vegas, think of what it's like for Screwruba.

 :smt098


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: Destiny on June 17, 2008, 10:29:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43408.php

Politie Statia onderzoekt seksueel misbruik
16 Jun, 2008, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Een rechercheur van de technische afdeling van het politiekorps van St. Maarten arriveerde zondag op St. Eustatius om de lokale politie te helpen bij een onderzoek naar een geval van seksueel misbruik.

Politiewoordvoerder Robelto Hodge bevestigt dat er een dergelijk onderzoek loopt, maar wilde niet ingaan op de details, vanwege de gevoeligheid van de zaak en de kleinschaligheid van de samenleving van het eiland. Hij zei dat het onderzoek nog in de beginfase verkeert en dat er nog geen aanhoudingen zijn verricht.

Through translator:

Police investigating sexual abuse Statia
June 16, 2008, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

   
ORANJESTAD - A detective of the technical department of the police force of St. Arrived Sunday on St. Maarten Eustatius to the local police to assist in an investigation into a case of sexual abuse.

Politiewoordvoerder Robelto Hodge confirms that such an investigation ongoing, but did not want to go into the details, because of the sensitivity of the case and the small scale of the society of the island. He said that the investigation is still in its early stages and that no arrests have been made.
 


Thanks Klaas...I really don't understand this...Is this someone arriving on Aruba...or some other island?  TIA

Destiny...ps...nanner basket ;-)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #758 6/14 -
Post by: klaasend on June 17, 2008, 10:40:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43408.php

Politie Statia onderzoekt seksueel misbruik
16 Jun, 2008, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Een rechercheur van de technische afdeling van het politiekorps van St. Maarten arriveerde zondag op St. Eustatius om de lokale politie te helpen bij een onderzoek naar een geval van seksueel misbruik.

Politiewoordvoerder Robelto Hodge bevestigt dat er een dergelijk onderzoek loopt, maar wilde niet ingaan op de details, vanwege de gevoeligheid van de zaak en de kleinschaligheid van de samenleving van het eiland. Hij zei dat het onderzoek nog in de beginfase verkeert en dat er nog geen aanhoudingen zijn verricht.

Through translator:

Police investigating sexual abuse Statia
June 16, 2008, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)

   
ORANJESTAD - A detective of the technical department of the police force of St. Arrived Sunday on St. Maarten Eustatius to the local police to assist in an investigation into a case of sexual abuse.

Politiewoordvoerder Robelto Hodge confirms that such an investigation ongoing, but did not want to go into the details, because of the sensitivity of the case and the small scale of the society of the island. He said that the invest